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Muhammad Ali

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Muhammad Ali

"In the summer of nineteen sixty nine Muhammad Ali was one of the most controversial figures on the planet the boxers strength and charisma which had made him an international celebrity were now elevating hitting him beyond the realm of sports into the Cross section of Religion Politics Race Right now Ali was touring the country he sold out auditoriums to discuss Vietnam with college students and even start in a broadway musical entitled Buck White The world class boxer. It seemed was doing everything except boxing. That's because he couldn't in a severe punishment from the world boxing organisation Hamad all the the champ who had never lost a fight had been stripped of his world championship title in Nineteen Sixty seven after he refused to fight in the Vietnam War additionally they'd revoked as boxing license and prevented him from competing. Many Americans viewed Ali as a draft dodger refusing to serve the country that had made him rich and famous his unwavering support of the nation of Islam also made enemies frawley among the more conservative minded but at the same time other Americans were beginning to see all e as a new kind of champion an underdog who had put everything on the line in order to stand up for his beliefs to quote Dr Martin Luther King Junior. Whatever you think of Mohammed Ali's religion you certainly have to admire his courage Ali would eventually be embraced as a crusader for civil liberties and personal freedom in time this would catapult Ali back into the ring where he could attempt to reclaim his champion status by the time he was finally allowed to box again all he had lost three of the best fighting years of his life but he wasn't done far from it for Muhammad? Ali was on his way to becoming a true champion not just a boxing but of the world hi I'm Vanessa Richardson and I'm Carter Roy Welcome to historical figures apar- cast original every other Wednesday we discuss different persons lasting historical impact unique personality and impression on the world around them. Our audio biographies covered big lives but we like to focus on little known facts today we're discussing boxer. Activists and Philanthropist Muhammad Ali recognized denies the world over for his physical prowess personal charisma and the sacrifices he made for his beliefs Ali's regarded as one of the most important figures of the twentieth century. This episode is part of par casts summer of Sixty nine event on July twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite par cash shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals. We'll be digging into the fallout of M._l._K.'s assassination assignation wide reaching l._S._d.. Colt and rumors of Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all on our new podcast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at our cast and twitter at podcast network several view have asked how to help us if view enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help before we begin. It's important to note Muhammad. Ali rejected his birth name Cassius ashes clay in one thousand nine hundred sixty four while we fully acknowledge and respect this decision we will be calling him caches Klay in this episode until nineteen sixty four for the purposes of clarity we will refer to him as Muhammad Ali leave from then on now back to the life of the greatest the prettiest the heavyweight champion of the World Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali was born Cassius Marcellus clay junior in your in nineteen forty two. He was named for his father caches senior who in turn was named after Cassius Marcellus clay a nineteenth century plantation owner who joined the abolitionist movement freed his families slaves and dedicated his life to furthering the cause of emancipation after the civil war though his namesake came from a legacy of liberation and the fight for equality caches Klay Junior saw little of either in his early the life he was born in Louisville Kentucky during the Jim Crow era and face discrimination and hardship on a daily basis still clay learn from his parents to take pride in his name his mother Odessa a domestic helper like to believe that the klay name connected their family to Kentucky royalty. Even though segregation had forced them to live in Louisville's impoverished westside caches klay senior was a musician painter skirtchaser and a generally combative man Cassius Clay Junior it would seem inherited this urge to fight from his father as he grew older he went looking for ways to vent the aggression. In nineteen fifty four a twelve year old Klay was exiting market when he found that his prized possession a beautiful red and white Schwinn bike had been stolen he was furious that bike had cost fifty dollars over four hundred dollars today. Today he resolved then there to find a thief and punish him. No matter what it took according to his autobiography the greatest my own story Klay heard that a policeman named Joe Martin could help him recover however is bike clay set out immediately to the nearby Columbia. Jim Were Martin led a weekly boxing clinic for neighborhood boys in his own words. Klay was entranced a minute he entered the gym the smell of sweat sweat and the rough sounds of sparring excited him for reasons he didn't quite understand he found officer Martin and told him he was going to find the bicycle thief and beat him up Martin no stranger to the misplaced aggression of young boys challenge Klay to get in the ring instead. It's likely Martin recognized Claes boxing potential. He was tall for his age with a long reach. It's also likely that as a community organizer Martin was looking into Channel Claes aggression into a more productive outlet or whatever the reason when Klay left that night Martin tapped him on the shoulder and said we got boxing every night Monday through Friday from six to eight. Here's an application location in case you want to join according to Muhammad Ali researcher and biographer Jonathan I the young champ was fascinated to see quote black kids and white kids in the ring together. He realized what Martin was trying me to teach him. If the person who stole the bike turned out to be white and Klay retaliated he could go to jail or worse in Joe Martin's ring however there were no repercussions for striking a white boxer this this would have been truly mind boggling. The twelve year old clay race didn't matter segregate didn't matter nothing outside of the ring mattered. There was only the fight caches clay. A junior took Martin up on his offer to start training at first he was well not great according to Joe Martin clay quote didn't know Aleph took from kickin ass in quote granted Klay was fighting an older more experienced kid but after one minute of wild flailing Klay was pulled from the ring with a bloody nose despite this first lousy sparring session he continued to box he went back to the clinic day after day and became the hardest worker and Martin's gem six weeks later the twelve year old clay had improved so much that Martin arranged for him to fight on the television show tomorrow's champions which was broadcast all over the state clay was pitted against Ronnie O'Keefe another novice boxer. This was his first publicized fight and he won it by split decision. After the match aired Cassius clay senior reportedly exclaimed my son is going and to be another Joe Louis the world heavyweight champion Cassius clay with the support of his family clay holy dedicated himself to boxing as he worked diligently with his trainer Fred Stone or however his schoolwork works suffered considerably. His teachers didn't know it at the time but Cassius Clay Junior suffered from dyslexia it would be decades before teachers would be trained to recognize students with learning disabilities so unfortunately many of his teachers is simply labeled him as dumb in his own words. Klay New College wasn't an option forum. He likely dedicated himself to boxing so completely because for the first time in his life he'd found something he truly excelled excelled at he barely finished high school ranking in the bottom five percent of his class over the course of his late teens. Though Klay racked up victories by the end of the nineteen fifties eighteen year old caches Klay Junior had one six Kentucky Golden Glove Championships. He'd made a name for himself among the local circuit as a big man who moved impossibly quick. Maybe a little too quick his coach Joe Martin says he tried to teach the young Cassius clay junior had blocked punches and how to duck but he refused to learn these most basic of boxing skills Claes reflexes were so instinctively fast did he simply moved his head. The moment before an opponent could make contact act. This technique wouldn't always work but at the start of his career it distinguished him from nearly every other fighter another natural ability was his lightning-fast Jab fighters nearly always underestimated because has of how light it looked but over time wore every one of them down advancing clay to the international spotlight as at the age of eighteen he was selected to compete in the nineteen sixty Olympic Games in Rome mm Italy. Unfortunately he almost missed his flight as it turns out the man who would come to be known as the greatest boxer of all time was scared of flying he was so afraid of it that he actually considered considered missing the Olympics just to avoid getting on a plane that was Martin who convinced clay to go Martin appeal to his ambition. If you really wanted to win to be a champion he needed to compete in the Olympics. Klay conceded though he took a detour on his way to the airport to buy a parachute from an army surplus store who would get on the plane but he wasn't going to take any chances he arrived in Rome and won his first. I three Olympic bouts easily in his final fight. He struggled slightly against the three time European champion zoo big new pediatric Hausky but was awarded the victory by unanimous verdict at the age of eighteen eighteen Klay Junior had obtained what most athletes only dream of an Olympic gold medal he should have returned to Louisville a hero but instead he was greeted with the same racism and bigotry he had always known after being refused service at a counter in his hometown. Klay became disillusioned with his Olympic victory while it was a measure of his athletic prowess it had hardly validated him in the eyes of his detractors clay had valued argued the metal because he thought it validated him in the eyes of others he had represented his country honorably and yet still was subject to derision and abuse from bigots as Klay rose to prominence he vowed to never again hold himself to someone else's expectations not his coaches not his family's and certainly not his racist neighbors from Louisville he was going to be whatever fighter he wanted to be. Uh when we come back a legend unfolds a crusade begins and Cassius Clay Becomes Mohammed Ali if you wanted to make the change to all natural and Eco uh-huh friendly products I had good news for you. Check out grove collaborative. It's an online marketplace that delivers all natural home beauty and personal care products directly to your door every Grove Dot C._o.. 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I. dot com slash historical now back to the story in nineteen sixty the eighteen year old caches clay returned to his hometown of Louisville Kentucky and Olympic champion despite the racism and bigotry he experienced there on a daily basis Clay Klay did find some support in his segregated hometown a group of local businessmen at turns out had decided to sponsor Claes boxing career he would be given a weekly salary something virtually unheard of for boxers at the time it was during these tours in nineteen sixty that Klay attended his first meeting at a temple of the nation of Islam he'd heard about the gathering from a street canvasser and would later say that at that meeting he finally heard the truth truth clay had known for some time that something was missing in his life. After his first exposure to Islam he realized what it was spirituality. He started studying the religion and took his first steps adapts toward becoming a dedicated Muslim practitioner at the same time Klay struggled to craft a public persona that matched his ambitions he'd won his fair share of fights and an Olympic gold medal but he he hadn't yet learned how to pack seats and sell out stadiums something he'd have to do if he wanted to. Become the greatest in June of nineteen sixty one while promoting a fight in Las Vegas clay had a running with famous professional wrestler her gorgeous George Clay shared a radio appearance with George and was intrigued by the forty six year old entertainer. What was unique about gorgeous? George was how he would berate his opponents before during and after after the match he was vein he was disrespectful and the audience couldn't get enough of it. Klay learned from George the value of playing a certain kind of character inside and outside the Ring Klay took to his new persona during interviews he would recite poems about his own greatness then insulted opponents calling them ugly or stupid. Some fans were enthralled and bought tickets to see if Klay was as good as he said other fans were incensed. They bought tickets to root against clay. Fans started showing up in droves which in turn raised the prices of tickets and put more money in Claes pocket. Klay was delighted to make money off of people who rooted against him because of his race he later said he no longer minded their jeering as soon as they were done he'd take their money and be laughing all the way to the bank for years clay continued on in this way blazing a trail of victories becoming more and more entertaining and more and more provocative finally in nineteen sixty four at the age of twenty two clay hadn't undefeated record of Nineteen and oh he insisted did that no one could beat him in demanded his shot at true greatness. He wanted to fight the current heavyweight champion of the world. Sonny liston listen was the kind of boxer Claes sponsors didn't want him to be in addition to being professional boxer. Listen was also a mob enforcer with the backing of the Mafia as intimidating as he was he was the man Klay needed to beat if he wanted the heavyweight championship but before he could even fight listen clay needed into except the challenge to persuade him Klay started following listen I to a casino and then to listens home in Denver he taunted haunted list and demanding match eventually perhaps only to get clay to stop. Listen agreed to fight the boxer from Louisville had successfully baited the heavyweight champion of the world into the ring of clay had an undefeated record going into the match but he'd never faced a fighter with listens experience Claes record was nineteen and Oh compared to listens thirty five and two well clay had sixteen knockouts. Listen had thirty two twice as many pundits generally agreed that Cassius clay was a glorified T._v.. Personality while listen was a real boxer mercilus and mean polls leading up to the fight overwhelmingly predicted list and would win by a knockout vegas gave clay seven to one odds and most people said he wouldn't make it passed the third round clay however never doubted himself he even publicly predicted he would knock list and out in the eighth round at the way in for the championship fight Claes heartbeat erratically as he continued to taught list and for the cameras too many people it looked like he was buckling under intense tense pressure. Many people had predicted that listen was going to kill clay in the ring. This was not uncommon at the time particularly in title-fights Davey more for example had died in his dressing room the year before in nineteen sixty three after losing the world featherweight championship match the year before that fighter Benny Herat had died after a welterweight championship fight boxers made their living by pushing themselves loves to the absolute limit sadly they sometimes push themselves too far now in nineteen sixty four it looked like klay was doing the same after his way and people began to suspect he was losing his mind. Nobody knew what to think. least of all Liston however clay would later tell his doctor Ferdie Pacheco that this was all part of a calculated plan to topple listen quote listen is scared of no man Klay explained but he scared of a nut because he doesn't know what I am going to do. It seems that clay had been playing mind games with listen ever since first totting him in Las Vegas and he wasn't going to stop until the title Heidel was his when Caches Klay Junior entered the ring on February twenty fifth nineteen sixty four no one thought he stood a chance his opponent sonny liston however was the slightest bit rattled old at six foot. Three clay was taller than listen. He had a longer reached and he was younger faster. It would be best for listen to go for the knockout quickly as everyone expected as the fight began listen through punch after Punch Claes head but clay dodged every attack all the while delivering powerful jabs of his own he had revealed his strategy for the fight in press conferences weeks ago. I'm GonNa Throw like a butterfly Michael be his hand can't hit what has games the throughout the match Klay played head games strutting around the ring. Even yawning in the fifth round however Klay suddenly suddenly found himself in blinding pain something had gotten into his is according to his trainer Angelo Dundee. It was a caustic substance. It's suspected that this substance was oil oil of winter green which listen would have robbed onto his gloves illegally to injure clay in the biggest fight of his life. Clay suddenly couldn't see a thing but clay didn't let on at the top the sixth he charged back into the ring managing to land several devastating blows after listen retired his corner at the end of the round he refused a comeback out claiming a shoulder injury. Listen conceded the title he had protected for over two years to cash clay. The world was stunned but Klay simply repeated what he'd been saying all along. I'm the greatest he had finally proved it it leaping up on the ropes clay pointed into the face of every reporter in the front row and kept saying over and over. I told you so the next day the world was stunned a second time as Cassius Klay officially announced in a press conference that he had joined the lost found nation of Islam otherwise known as the black Muslim movement he was renouncing his slave and aim of clay for the time being you would be called caches ex a month later caches informed the world that Elijah Muhammad the leader of the Nation of Islam had conferred a new name upon him he would forever be known as he who is worthy. The of praise most high that of course is what his new name meant Muhammad Ali according to Angelo Dundee all his longtime trainer Mohammed Ali liked how strong the nation of Islam looked outsiders like many black men of his generation. The Nation of Islam also validated him as an individual the religion celebrated the black individual citing white people. I E quote the White Devil all and quote as the root of all suffering for black people the world over this strong stance alienated Ali from a lot of Americans but the champ didn't care in one interview he famously stated. I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be who I wanna be and think what I WANNA think people all over the world including Odessa and Cassius clay senior believed that all the was being brainwashed and manipulated manipulated by Elijah Muhammad and the nation of Islam because of his status as a celebrity Ali maintained however time and time again that their relationship was mutually beneficial and that all the never paid the nation of Islam any money it was amidst this controversy in July of nineteen sixty four Ali met and fell in love with a cocktail waitress named Sonji Roy the two were introduced by Ali's manager Herbert Robert Muhammad the son of Elijah Muhammad and married a month later in August nineteen sixty four Ali was twenty two Sanji Roy twenty-three eventually the World Boxing Council ordered a rematch between Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston due to listens abrupt concession in the previous fight on May twenty fifth nineteen sixty five l.. E. Faced off against listen for the second time to defend in his championship. Title the first time the two fought listen had been painted as the villain now the tables were turned and it was Ali because of his religion who was scorned by the press and the Public Ali gloated bet now fifteen months after their first fight he was the batter of the two men media coverage aside the fight itself proved to be one of the most controversial displays in the history of boxing to this day. Many people believe it was rigged. That's because in the first round after only two minutes Liston was knocked down by what looks to be a fairly light punch from Ali. This singular blow now famous has been dubbed the Phantom Punch it was called Phantom because most people never even saw it boxing professionals had to review footage from the fight to confirm that all even made contact act with listen upon closer examination. The Phantom Punch seems to have been thrown from a distance of six inches a span many argue was too close to knock out listen according to accounts provided by Nick Tasha's and the devil and Sonny Liston. Ali himself didn't even believe the knockout at first he shouted down to listen get up sucker. Nobody will believe this in the years since the fight many have have supposed that listen had taken a dive to benefit his friends in the mafia others claim listen was afraid of what the nation of Islam might do to him for taking the title from one of their most prized members list in wasn't the only person scared. Aired off by Ali's faith just months after the fight Ali's wife Sanji left him after less than two years of marriage according to all e sondhi quote wouldn't do what she was supposed to do. She wore lipstick went into bars and dressed in closed that would revealing and didn't look right and quote as often as all the asked her to observe stricter behavioral code in accordance with the Muslim faith she refused Sanjiv had never been a submissive submissive woman and she and Ali were destined to grow apart when asked about the divorce years later Sanjiv described her struggle with the nation of Islam by saying quote. I wasn't going to take on all the Muslims if I had did. I probably would have ended up dead despite his pending divorce and increasing public backlash all he had what he'd always wanted a championship though reporters refused to write his chosen name in the paper he he continued to win fight after fight showing particular malice to anyone who called him Cassius clay on more than one occasion Ali would actually refuse to knock out a dissenting opponent until they acknowledged his name was Muhammad Ali. The most notable example of this is Ernie Terrell whom Ali nearly killed in the ring as he repeated over and over. What's my name what's my name? Then in February nineteen sixty eighty six Ali was blindsided by the toughest opponent he would ever fight the U._S.. Government without warning all he was reclassified as one a meaning he was to be drafted drafted into the Vietnam War several years earlier. Ali had taken a mental aptitude exam to discern his eligibility for military service because of his dyslexia and near Illiteracy Ali scored too low on MM attest to qualify for service and was classified one why in nineteen sixty four however in nineteen sixty six because of a growing need for soldiers the minimum eligibility score for the test Ali failed failed was lowered and he was suddenly eligible for service without a re-test or notification of any kind Ali found the timing of his classification highly suspect considering he was the black Muslim heavyweight heavyweight champion of the world with global platform to protest the Vietnam War and promote the nation of Islam. He insisted this was the real reason he was now being summoned to a war he did not agree with despite his appeals deals on April twenty eighth nineteen sixty seven Mohammed Ali was ordered to Houston Texas to report for duty in the Vietnam War. Ali appeared before the induction board as ordered but no one knew what he was going to do once there. If he refused to formally report he would be charged with draft evasion a crime that carried a ten thousand dollar fine and a five year jail sentence the induction board called out the name name Mohammed Ali but he refused to step forward the board. Now nervous called his name out again but still all he refused to step forward the board called all these name a third third and final time he did not step forward ten days later Muhammad Ali was indicted by a grand jury states across the nation began revoking his licenses to fight and then the World Boxing Association stripped him of his title though he'd never lost a fight Muhammad. Ali was no longer recognized as the heavyweight champion of the world. All E was also denied his his passport. During his indictment meaning he couldn't leave the country to box abroad. Essentially he lost the ability to fight his entire livelihood had been taken from him and there was a very real possibility that soon he'd be in jail. It's important to know here that the U._S.. Government and the World Boxing Organisation are separate entities technically they could never have worked together to push Muhammad Ali out of boxing the country at large however had had grown increasingly afraid of the nation of Islam throughout the sixties in part because of the violent acts that were so commonly associated with it's different extremist factions as a result was easy for the powers that be to make an example sample of Mohammed Ali the U._S. government had shown what happened when a citizen refused to serve their country and the world boxing organisation well. They showed what happened when a champion disrupted the status quo with both organizations -tations bearing down on Ali with all their might it was anything but a fair fight all e did have a few happy moments during this tumultuous time however on August Seventeenth nineteen sixty seven he married his second wife Belinda Boyd more dedicated to the nation of Islam Than Ali's first wife Boyd changed her name to Colella Camacho Ali after the wedding over the next several years Colella would bear Ali four four children with more support at home. All e began touring the country giving speeches on college campuses about the war religion and racial injustice in addition to the outpouring of support he had received from his fellow all Muslims garnering support amongst the nation's young liberal population the whole time Ali was touring for these speaking events he was fighting for the reinstatement of his boxing license but it was slow going twenty twenty. Two States refused to grant Ali license governor of California Ronald Reagan even went on the record saying that draft dodger will never fight in my state period according to all these trainer Angelo Dundee one thing must be taken into account when talking about all he he was robbed his best years his prime years. These were the years past from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy when Ali the fighter would have theoretically matured into the best shape of his life. Ali's long exile from boxing finally ended when the city of Atlanta granted aaliyah licensed to fight Californian boxer Jerry Quarry a group of black business owners had organized the event and Atlanta benefitted tremendously from the events publicity to show support influential figures such as Diana Ross Sydney Potier and the Reverend Jesse Jackson flock to what had become a red carpet spectacle the fight itself however was lackluster after to close rounds all the cut corey above the I in the fight was ruled technical knockout but the champion was back is winning records still intact at around this same time Ali one of federal ruling that forced the state of New York to reinstate his boxing license. After a few tuneup fights Ali was ready again to challenge the heavyweight champion of the world. The man who had won the title in Nineteen Seventy and who was in many ways Ali's complete opposite smokin Joe Frazier. It's almost uncanny how much these men's lives paralleled each other and how they seemed destined to meet L.. E. Had won Olympic gold in nineteen sixty frazier won the same distinction in nineteen sixty four both men were revered revered as titans in the ring and now in one of the most unique situations to ever unfold in the world of sports to current heavyweight champions would face off against each other each with perfectly legitimate it claims to the title it was truly a once in a lifetime event and it would make lifelong adversaries out of Mohammed Ali and Joe Frazier when we come back. 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If you lost the appeal Ali would be sentenced to prison and the fight with frazier could be his last the press press struggled to make predictions Ali had once been the fastest and the greatest but that was before three years of inactivity fraser on the other hand relied on his incredible strength and lasting endurance to win and unless Ali had maintained a stamina from years before he was in for a serious beating the fight of the century was true to its name. Seats were so hard to get frank. Sinatra had to work as a cameraman man just to see the fight Ali frazier endured fifteen brutal rounds they found themselves evenly matched in strength and endurance then for only the third time in his career. All E was dropped ought to the floor by a mean left hook from frazier. It was close fight but that's slip helped convince the judges to declare a unanimous victory for Frazier for the first time in his professional career. After thirty eighty one fights Muhammad Ali had lost he remained gracious with no taunting or excuses and it appeared to many that the era of Ali was over but little did the public now after this humbling loss all e would go on to claim an incredible victory from the U._S.. Government a few months after losing the fight of the century in June nineteen seventy-one Ali received word the Supreme Court was recognizing his status as a conscientious objector. He was no longer won a after four long years he had beaten the U._S.. Government according to Journalists Bob Woodward and Scott Armstrong the Supreme Court justices were swayed by two things the I was the autobiography of Malcolm X. Published in nineteen sixty five which convinced some Supreme Court justices that all these as nonviolent objections to the war were sincere. The second was the fact that no previous court had provided Ali with a reason why his status would be denied he was arguably the most famous sports figure in the world. If the Supreme Surpreme Court was going to deny his final appeal they had best provide him with a reasonable explanation and that's exactly when the case fell apart once the court set out to explain why Ali should be denied his appeal it became aim apparent. There was no good reason why all these religious freedom should be encroached upon according to Woodward and Armstrong Justice Potter Stewart was largely responsible for convincing the Supreme Court to approve all these appeal in an incredible unanimous eight. Oh decision overjoyed by the incredible victory Ali set out once again to reclaim his world championship title. He battled Joe Frazier once again this time he won by unanimous decision after twelve rounds since frazier had already lost his title however to the new heavyweight champion George Foreman. This was simply a steppingstone for Ali. If you wanted his title back he would now have to take it from George Foreman on October Thirtieth nineteen seventy four Mohammed Ali would get that chance and the African country of Zaire in a fight dubbed. Dubbed the rumble in the jungle airing on H._B._O.. It took place at four o'clock A._M.. Local time in front of sixty thousand screaming fans the fans were screaming Ali boom by which which translates to Ali Kill him the him in that chant was George Foreman the aggressive young boxer who admitted he actually hoped to kill people when he stepped into the ring with them for weeks. Ali had been talking about a surprise tactic would use on foreman something he had been working out with his trainer Angelo Dundee the night of the fight the world watched in confusion and then disbelief as Mohammed Ali unveiled an entirely new boxing strategy the ROPE A- dope simply put all the arrested as much as he could on the ropes alongside the outside of the ring the impact of forms jabs then passed through all these body and was absorbed by the elasticity of the ropes to form and it looked like Ali was tired and scared so he continued to give everything he had try and knock out all the as four men became visibly Sibley fatigued. Ali began to smile and taunt him saying things like is that all you got in the eighth round all the brought form into the floor with a left right combination in a completely unexpected affected upset all he had taken back his title for the second time in his life. He was the heavyweight champion of the world but it still wasn't enough though he was once again the reigning Champ App Ali still had one more name in his ledger. Joe Frazier was the only man to have beaten him. Ali needed to beat frazier again to settle the score in nineteen seventy five the two men would rematch the Philippines for the Thrilla in Manila the two equally matched boxers needed to determine once and for all who was a better fighter and the results were difficult to watch by all accounts Ali and frazier left everything they had in the ring those watching began to worry that the boxers would murder each other at one point. I'll leave and muttered to his corner. This must be what dying feels like despite the pain each boxer stood round after round trading blows and winning points off each other sacrificing their bodies for clear shots at one another until Joe Frazier's corner conceded the fight before for the fifteenth round the fight was watched by a record one billion viewers and is considered by many to be the end of another era for Ali he never fully recovered from Manila and he found his prowess declining cleaning in the years after nineteen seventy five doctors had warned Ali before this about the dangers of boxing now they're warnings became only more frequent. If he continued to fight he could develop up severe neurological disorders undeterred all the continued to fight according to his personal physician Ferdie Pacheco through his fights in the seventies quote Ali had discovered something which was both very very good and very bad very bad and that it led to the physical damage. He suffered later in his career very good in that. It eventually got him back the championship. He discovered that he could take a punch Kerry Smith a member of all these entourages remarked quote. The first signal of decline was in all these hands but check. Oh all these doctor at the end of his career began injecting them with Novacaine before fights in the ride went on and then the reflexes slowed the beatings began many speculated it was Ali's entourage the Leeches and many hangers on that had developed around him over the years that were bleeding him dry. If this is true alley would have needed to fight just in order to pay his bills. It lends credibility to this theory that in nineteen seventy six after the thrilla in Manila all the reportedly checked into hotel in required seventy four rooms for everyone winning his group has his lifestyle grew increasingly extravagant and his children grew older. It became harder and harder for all the to balance work family in the tenants of the nation of Islam before long it was revealed appeal to the world he'd been having an affair in nineteen seventy seven Ali filed for divorce from his second wife Colella Camacho Ali with whom he had four children she had stood by him for eight years by all accounts account supporting him as he endured the most trying time of his life once their divorce was final Ali immediately married a woman by the name of Veronica Porsche Porsche who had been one of the poster girls for all these rumble in the jungle fight had begun a relationship with Ali three years before in Kinshasa Zaire at the age of eighteen in nineteen seventy seven the two were married in Los Angeles California. The second divorce had no doubt cost Ali Lee plenty in court fees but he still denied he was ever hard up for money over the years. Ali had built various businesses in restaurants across the country his share in these companies he claimed was worth millions. Whatever the reason Ali was compelled to continue boxing in nineteen seventy eight on February fifteenth thirty six year old Ali got into the ring with the young fighter Leon spinks Ali expected this to be easy? It was only the eighth time spinks had ever been in a professional fight and yet spinks outmaneuvered the aging Ali in nearly every round after fifteen rounds with no knockout spinks was awarded awarded victory on points all e had suffered his third loss in eighteen years and lost the championship title spinks for his part had just claimed a heavyweight championship faster than any boxer in history many believed that had been in the ring with a younger Ali he never would have won these same. People now believed that Ali's career was over but alley had never cared what other people thought after his loss to spinks Ali saw the opportunity to do something he'd always hated train. He truly believed that if he got into his best fighting shape he would be the first boxer in history to take third championship title on September Fifteenth Nineteen Seventy eight exactly seven months after losing title to Leon spinks Muhammad Ali climb back into the ring to take it back he was slower than it used to be. His reflexes deadening his breathing was labored. Many in the audience felt strange if not sad to see one of the greatest athletes of all time falling from gray so quickly so desperately so hopelessly like before for the fight went fifteen rounds but this time miraculously it was Ali who outmaneuvered spinks by unanimous decision history was made as Ali was awarded the championship title for the Third Time then in nineteen seventy nine in the manner most dignified Muhammed Ali came to an important decision after a legendary comeback he announced his retirement from the sport of boxing out of reverence for his past and concern for his future all the wood box no more but then Larry Holmes came along according to all the the reason he continued to fight after the Thrilla in Manila the fight with frazier which physically changed him was because people told him not to anything you tell me not to do all these said I'll do the champ had an interesting point. He was told not to fight. Listen then when he did he became a champion who was told not to fight foreman when he did he became a champion. He was told not to fight spinks and yet when he did he became a champion. Is it any any wonder then when people told Ali not to fight Larry Holmes he couldn't resist Ali's nineteen eighty fight with Larry. Holmes is one of the truly sad moments of sports history according to Jonathan. I always lease biographer. Ali's health was quickly deteriorating at this point before the fight Ali was so uncoordinated and fatigued that he was unable to touch his finger to his nose. In a physical examination several sources says have reported that prior to this fight all use prescribed medication for a misdiagnosed thyroid problem when the dose had no effect the prescription was increased as a result of the unnecessary medication. All E lost thirty six pounds throughout the course of training. He later said he was quote week dazed in a dream during his fight with Larry Holmes Larry a solid fighter grew progressively devastated throughout the match hating hating that he had to hurt his childhood hero but the heavyweight champion was simply too far gone homes knocked him out in the eleventh round all he would fight one more time fourteen months slater against Trevor Berbick other than the fact that this was always last match the nineteen eighty-one fight was largely unremarkable in every way Berbick was declared the winner in the tenth round by unanimous decision. It wasn't anticlimactic finale to an incredible career. Ali retired shortly thereafter with a record of fifty six and five for a time he rested on his secluded farm in Michigan before being diagnosed with Parkinson's disease a degenerative neurological disease as a direct result of the years he'd spent in the ring following his diagnosis in Nineteen eighty-four. All the divorced is third wife Veronica and married. You'll lawn to Williams. According to his family he was highly contented. Despite his failing health he'd accomplished everything he'd set out to in spoke a few regrets he devoted himself to various philanthropic efforts including a nineteen ninety-four for human rights mission to Vietnam where he was welcomed as a hero it seemed Ali was happy to spend the rest of his days away from the spotlight with the company of his wife Yolanda and his nine children but Muhammad Ali the self-proclaimed of proclaimed greatest still had one great moment to share with the world in nineteen ninety six in Atlanta the same city that had hosted his legendary return to boxing all the found himself on the Olympic stage the first time since nineteen sixty he had been chosen as the athlete to light that years Olympic torch an incredible honor that concluded the flames weeks long journey across the country as the former champion champion accepted the torch and began sending a great staircase in the last leg of the journey the world stared in awe at Ali now a quivering speechless shell of his former self the moment was simultaneously Tena Cause for celebration and reflection American journalist Cal sussman described the world's reaction best quote. There are very few people in the history of the planet who could make everybody in the world stop for a moment moment forget their differences smile and applaud in unison. Perhaps all the was the only one left. I wondered if there'd be anyone after on June third two thousand sixteen Muhammad Muhammad Ali passed away in Scottsdale Arizona after being hospitalized for a respiratory illness he succumbed to septic shock. He was seventy four years old upon hearing the news. People bull gathered all over the world to admire the larger than life all e fans friends and family remembered the amazing achievements of the self-proclaimed greatest of all time now when we look back at Ali one of the biggest human beings to ever live. There's so much to remember perhaps however his greatest achievement has nothing to do with what he gave us and everything to do with what he gave up to fame sports commentator Tater Stuart Scott The answer is simple quote what made all the revolutionary and what made in the most distinct athlete of our or any time is that he was willing to give up his career. Uh for a belief thanks again for tuning into our historical figures summer of sixty nine special. If you you enjoyed this episode check out our cast continued retrospective into the summer of sixty nine from July twenty second through August ninth the summer of sixty nine will feature twenty-three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts casts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode of historical figures next week. 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Summer of 69: Muhammad Ali, Athlete and Activist

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Summer of 69: Muhammad Ali, Athlete and Activist

"In the summer of nineteen sixty nine Muhammad Ali was one of the most controversial figures on the planet the boxers strength and charisma which had made him an international celebrity were now elevating aiding him beyond the realm of sports into the Cross section of Religion Politics Race Right now Ali was touring the country he sold out auditoriums to discuss Vietnam with college students and even starred in a Broadway musical entitled Buck White the World Class boxer. It seemed was doing everything except boxing. That's because he couldn't in a severe punishment from the World Boxing Organization Muhammad all the the champ who had never lost a fight had been stripped of his world championship title in Nineteen Sixty seven after he refused to fight in the Vietnam War additionally they'd revoked his boxing license and prevented him from competing. Many Americans viewed Ali as a draft dodger refusing to serve the country that had made him rich and famous his unwavering support of the Nation of Islam also made enemies frawley among the more conservative minded but at the same time other Americans were beginning to see all e as a new kind of champion an underdog who had put everything on the line in order to stand up for his beliefs to quote Dr Martin Luther King Junior. Whatever you think of Mohammed Ali's religion you certainly have to admire his courage Ali would eventually be embraced as a crusader for civil liberties and personal freedom in time this would catapult Ali back into the ring where he could attempt to reclaim his champion status by the time he was finally allowed to box again all he had lost three of the best fighting years of his life but he wasn't done far from it for Muhammad? Ali was on his way to becoming a true champion not just boxing but of the world hi I'm Vanessa Richardson and I'm Carter Roy Welcome to historical figures apar- cast original every other Wednesday we discuss different persons lasting historical impact unique personality and impression on the world around them are audio biographies covered big lives but we like to focus on little known facts today we're discussing boxer activist and Philanthropist Muhammad Ali recognized denies the world over for his physical prowess personal charisma and the sacrifices he made for his beliefs. Ali is regarded as one of the most important figures of the twentieth century. This episode is part of par casts summer of of Sixty nine event on July twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite par- cash shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals. We'll be digging into the fallout of M._l._K.'s assassination assignation wide reaching l._S._d.. Colt and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all on our new podcast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at our cast and twitter at podcast network several of you have asked how to help us if view enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help before we begin. It's important to note Muhammad. Ali rejected his birth name Cassius ashes clay in one thousand nine hundred sixty four while we fully acknowledge and respect this decision we will be calling him cashes clay in this episode until nineteen sixty four for the purposes of clarity we will refer to him as Muhammad Ali leave from then on now back to the life of the greatest the prettiest the heavyweight champion of the World Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali was born Cassius Marcellus Clay Junior in your in nineteen forty two. He was named for his father caches senior who in turn was named after Cassius Marcellus clay a nineteenth century plantation owner who joined the abolitionist movement freed his family's slaves and dedicated his life to furthering the cause of emancipation after the civil war though his namesake came from a legacy of liberation and the fight for equality cashes clay junior saw little of either in his early the life he was born in Louisville Kentucky during the Jim Crow era and face discrimination and hardship on a daily basis still clay learn from his parents to take pride in his name his mother Odessa a a domestic helper like to believe that the Klay Name connected their family to Kentucky royalty. Even though segregation had forced them to live in Louisville's impoverished west side cashes clay senior was a musician painter skirtchaser and a generally combative man Cassius Clay Junior it would seem inherited this urge to fight from his father as he grew older he went looking for ways to vent the aggression. In nineteen fifty four a twelve year old clay was exiting market when he found that his prized possession a beautiful red and white Schwinn bike had been stolen he was furious that bike had cost fifty dollars over four hundred dollars today today he resolved then and there to find a thief and punish him no matter what it took according to his autobiography the greatest my own story Klay heard that a policeman named Joe Martin could help him recover however is bike clay set out immediately to the nearby Columbia. Jim Were Martin led a weekly boxing clinic for neighborhood boys in his own words. Klay was entranced a minute he entered the gym the smell of sweat sweat and the rough sounds of sparring excited him for reasons he didn't quite understand he found officer Martin and told him he was going to find the bicycle thief and beat him up Martin no stranger to the misplaced aggression shen of young boys challenge Klay to get in the ring instead. It's likely Martin recognized Claes boxing potential. He was tall for his age with a long reach. It's also likely that as a community organizer Martin was looking into Channel Claes aggression into a more productive outlet or whatever the reason when clay left that night Martin tapped him on the shoulder and said we got boxing every night Monday through Friday from six to eight. Here's an application location in case you want to join according to Muhammad Ali researcher and biographer Jonathan I the young champ was fascinated to see quote black kids and white kids in the ring together. He realized what Martin was trying me to teach him. If the person who stole the bike turned out to be white and Klay retaliated he could go to jail or worse in Joe Martin's ring however there were no repercussions for striking a white boxer this this would have been truly mind boggling. The twelve year old clay race didn't matter segregate didn't matter nothing outside of the ring mattered. There was only the fight Cassius clay. A junior took Martin up on his offer to start training at first he was well not great according to Joe Martin clay quote didn't know a left hook from a kick in the ass in quote granted Klay was fighting an older more experienced kid but after one minute of wild flailing Klay was pulled from the ring with a bloody nose despite this first lousy sparring session he continued to box. He went back to the clinic day after day and became the. Hardest worker and Martin's gem six weeks later the twelve year old clay had improved so much that Martin arranged for him to fight on the television show tomorrow's champions which was broadcast all over the State Klay was pitted against Ronnie O'Keefe another novice boxer. This was his first publicized fight and he won it by split decision. After the match aired cashes clay senior reportedly exclaimed. My son is going to be another Joe Louis the world heavyweight champion Cassius clay with the support of his family clay wholly dedicated himself to boxing as he worked diligently with his trainer Fred Stone or however his schoolwork works suffered considerably. His teachers didn't know it at the time but Cassius Clay Junior suffered from dyslexia it would be decades before teachers would be trained to recognize students with learning disabilities so unfortunately many of his teachers is simply labeled him as dumb in his own words. Klay New College wasn't an option for him. He likely dedicated himself to boxing so completely because for the first time in his life he'd found something he truly excelled excelled at he barely finished high school ranking in the bottom five percent of his class over the course of his late teens. Though Klay racked up victories by the end of the nineteen fifties eighteen year old cashes clay junior had one six Kentucky Golden Gloves Championships. He'd made a name for himself among the local circuit as a big man who moved impossibly quick. Maybe a little too quick his coach Joe Martin says he tried to teach. It's the young Cassius Clay Junior had blocked punches and how to duck but he refused to learn these most basic of boxing skills Claes reflexes were so instinctively fast did he simply moved his head. The moment before an opponent could make contact hacked. This technique wouldn't always work but at the start of his career it distinguished him from nearly every other fighter another natural ability was his lightning Fast Jab fighters nearly always underestimated it because has of how light it looked but over time wore every one of them down advancing clay to the international spotlight as at the age of eighteen he was selected to compete in the nineteen sixty Olympic Games in Rome mm Italy. Unfortunately he almost missed his flight as it turns out the man who would come to be known as the greatest boxer of all time was scared of flying. He was so afraid of it that he actually considered considered missing the Olympics just to avoid getting on a plane that was Martin who convinced clay to go Martin appeal to his ambition. If you really wanted to win to be a champion he needed to compete in the Olympics Klay conceded though he took a detour on his way to the airport to buy a parachute from an army surplus store he would get on the plane but he wasn't going to take any chances he arrived in Rome and won his first. I three Olympic bouts easily in his final fight. He struggled slightly against the three time European champion zoo big new pediatric Hausky but was awarded the victory by unanimous verdict at the age of eighteen eighteen clay junior had obtained what most athletes only dream of an Olympic gold medal he should have returned to Louisville a hero but instead he was greeted with the same racism and bigotry he had always known after being refused service at a counter in his hometown. Klay became disillusioned with his Olympic victory while it was a measure of his athletic prowess it had hardly validated him in the eyes of his detractors clay had valued argued the metal because he thought it validated him in the eyes of others he had represented his country honorably and yet still was subject to derision and abuse from bigots as Klay rose to prominence he vowed to never again hold himself to someone else's expectations not his coaches not his family's and certainly not his racist neighbors from Louisville he was going to be whatever fighter he wanted to be <music> when we come back a legend unfolds a crusade begins and Cassius Clay Becomes Mohammed Ali hi there if you enjoy this episode on boxer activist activist and Philanthropist Muhammad Ali search historical figures on spotify and give us a follow to find more episodes now back to the story in nineteen sixty the eighteen year-old Cassius clay returned to his hometown of Louisville Kentucky and Olympic champion despite the racism and bigotry he experienced there on a daily basis clay did find some support in his segregated hometown a group of local businessmen at turns out had decided to sponsor Claes boxing career he would be given a weekly salary something virtually unheard of for boxers at the time it was during these tours in nineteen sixty that Klay attended his first meeting at Temple of the Nation of Islam he'd heard about the gathering from a street canvasser and would later say that at that meeting he finally heard the truth clay had known for some time that something was missing in his life. After his first exposure to Islam he realized what it was spirituality. He started studying the religion and took his first steps toward becoming a dedicated Muslim practitioner. At the same time Klay struggled to craft a public persona that matched his ambitions he'd won his fair share of fights and an Olympic gold medal but he hadn't yet learned how to pack seats and sell out stadiums <unk> something he'd have to do if he wanted to become the greatest in June of nineteen sixty one while promoting a fight in Las Vegas clay had a run in with famous professional wrestler Gorgeous George Clay shared a radio appearance appearance with George and was intrigued by the forty six year old entertainer. What was unique about gorgeous? George was how he would berate his opponents before during and after the match he was vain he was disrespectful and the audience couldn't get enough of it. Klay learned from George the value of playing a certain kind of character inside and outside the ring clay took to his new persona during interviews he would recite poems homes about his own greatness then insults his opponents calling them ugly or stupid. Some fans were enthralled and bought tickets to see if clay was as good as he said other fans were incensed. They bought tickets to root against clay fans started showing up in droves which in turn raise the prices of tickets and put more money in clay's pocket Klay was delighted to make money off of people who rooted against him because of his race he later later said he no longer minded their jeering as soon as they were done he'd take their money and be laughing all the way to the bank for years clay continued on in this way blazing a trail of victories becoming more and more entertaining and more and more provocative finally in nineteen sixty four at the age of twenty two clay had an undefeated record of nineteen o he insisted that no one could beat him and demanded his shot at true greatness. He wanted to fight the current heavyweight champion of the world. Sonny Liston. Listen was the kind of boxer Claes sponsors didn't want him to be in addition to being a professional boxer. OCSAR LISTON was also a mob enforcer with the backing of the Mafia as intimidating as he was he was the man Klay needed to beat if he wanted the heavyweight championship but before he could even fight Liston clay needed him to accept the challenge to persuade him Klay started following listen I to a casino and then to listens home in Denver. He taunted Liston demanding a match eventually. Perhaps only to get clay to stop. Listen agreed to fight the boxer from Louisville had successfully baited the heavyweight champion of the world into the ring clay had an undefeated record going into the match. But he never faced a fighter with listens experience Claes record was nineteen and Oh compared to listens thirty five and two well clay had sixteen knockouts. Listen had thirty two twice as many pundits generally agreed that Cassius clay was glorified TV personality while listen was a real boxer mercilus and mean polls leading up to the fight overwhelmingly predicted list and would win by a knockout vegas gave clay seven to one odds and most people said he wouldn't make it past the third round clay however never doubted himself he even publicly predicted he would knock list and out in the eighth around at the way in for the championship fight Claes heartbeat erratically as he continued to taught listen for the cameras to many people. It looked like he was buckling under intense pressure. Many people had predicted that Liston Austin was going to kill clay in the ring. This was not uncommon at the time particularly in title fights Davey more for example had died in his dressing room the year before in nineteen sixty three after losing the world featherweight other way championship match the year before that fighter Benny Parade had died after a welterweight championship fight boxers made their living by pushing themselves to the absolute limit sadly they sometimes times push themselves too far now in nineteen sixty four it looked like klay was doing the same after his way and people began to suspect he was losing his mind. Nobody knew what to think. least of all Liston however however clay would later tell his doctor Ferdie Pacheco that this was all part of a calculated plan to topple listen quote listen is scared of no man Klay explained but he is scared of a nut because he doesn't. I know what I am going to do. It seems that clay had been playing mind games with Liston ever since first totting him in Las Vegas and he wasn't going to stop until the title was his when cashes Clay Junior entered the ring on February twenty fifth nineteen sixty four no one thought he stood a chance his opponent sonny liston however was the slightest bit rattled at six foot. Three clay was taller than listen. He had a longer reach and he was younger faster it would be best for listened to go for the knockout quickly as everyone expected as the fight began listing through punch after punch at Clay's head but clay dodged every attack all the while delivering powerful jabs of his own he had revealed his strategy for the fight in press conferences weeks ago. I'm going to like a butterfly Michael be his hand okay hip throughout the match clay played head games strutting around the ring. Even yawning in the fifth round however Klay suddenly found himself in blinding pain something something had gotten into his eyes according to his trainer Angelo Dundee it was a caustic substance. It's suspected that this substance was oil of winter green which list and would have rubbed onto his gloves gloves illegally to injure clay in the biggest fight of his life. Clay suddenly couldn't see a thing but clay didn't let on at the top of the sixth he charged back into the ring managing ging to land several devastating blows after listing retired his corner at the end of the round he refused a comeback out claiming a shoulder injury list and conceded the title he had protected for over two years ears to Cassius Clay. The world was stunned but Klay simply repeated what he'd been saying all along. I'm the greatest he had finally proved it leaping up on the ropes clay pointed into the face piece of every reporter in the front row and kept saying over and over. I told you so the next day the world was stunned a second time as Cassius clay officially announced in a press conference that he had joined joined the lost found nation of Islam otherwise known as the black Muslim movement he was renouncing his slave and Ame of clay for the time being he would be called Cassius x a month later caches informed the world that Elijah Muhammad the leader of the Nation of Islam had conferred a new name upon him he would forever be known as he who is worthy of praise most high that of course is what his new you name meant Muhammad Ali according to Angelo Dundee all these long time trainer Mohammed Ali liked how strong the nation of Islam look to outsiders like many black men of his generation ocean. The Nation of Islam also validated him as an individual the religion celebrated the black individual citing white people. I E quote the White Devil and quote as the root of all suffering for black people the world over this strong stance alienated Ali from a lot of Americans but the champ didn't care in one interview he famously stated. I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be who I WANNA. WanNa be an think what I WANNA think people all over the world including Odessa and Cassius clay senior believed that all the was being brainwashed in manipulated by Elijah Muhammad and the nation of Islam because of his status as a celebrity all e- maintained however time and time again that their relationship was mutually beneficial and that all the never paid the nation of Islam any money it was amidst this controversy Z.. In July of nineteen sixty four Ali met and fell in love with a cocktail waitress named son g Roy the two were introduced by Ali's manager Herbert Muhammad the son of Elijah Muhammad and married a months later in August nineteen sixty four Ali was twenty two Sanji Roy twenty-three eventually the World Boxing Council ordered a rematch between Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston and due to listens abrupt concession in the previous fight on May twenty fifth nineteen sixty five l.. E. Faced off against listen for the second time to defend his championship title the first time the two fought list listen had been painted as the villain now the tables were turned and it was Ali because of his religion who was scorned by the press and the Public Ali gloated that now fifteen months after their first fight he was the better of the two men media coverage aside the fight itself proved to be one of the most controversial displays in the history of boxing to this day. Many people believe it was rigged. That's because in the first round after only two minutes listen was knocked down by what looks to be a fairly light punch from Ali. This singular blow now-famous has been dubbed the Phantom Punch it was called Phantom because most people never even saw it boxing professionals had to review footage from the fight to confirm that all even made contact with Liston upon closer examination the Phantom Punch seems to have been thrown from a distance of six inches a span many argue was too close to knock out liston according to accounts provided by Nick Tauch is and the devil and Sonny Liston. Ali Lee himself didn't even believe the knockout at first. He shouted down to listen get up sucker. Nobody will believe this in the years since the fight many have supposed that Liston had taken a dive to benefit his friends is in the mafia others claim Liston was afraid of what the nation of Islam might do to him for taking the title from one of their most prized members list in wasn't the only person scared off by Ali's faith just months after the fight Ali's wife Sandy left him after less than two years of marriage according to Ali Sanjay quote wouldn't do what she was supposed to do. She wore lipstick went into bars and dressed in clothes that were revealing and. It didn't look right end quote as often as all the asked her to observe stricter behavioral code in accordance with the Muslim faith she refused Sanjiv had never been a submissive woman and she and Ali were destined to grow apart art when asked about the divorce years later sewn g described her struggle with the nation of Islam by saying quote. I wasn't going to take on all the Muslims if I had I probably would have ended up dead despite his pending in divorce and an increasing public backlash all he had what he'd always wanted a championship though reporters refused to write his chosen name in the paper he continued to win fight after fight showing particular regular malice to anyone who called him Cassius clay on more than one occasion Ali would actually refuse to knock out a dissenting opponent until they acknowledged his name was Muhammad Ali. The most notable example of this is his Ernie Terrell whom Ali nearly killed in the ring as he repeated over and over. What's my name what's my name? Then in February nineteen sixty six all e was blindsided by the toughest opponent he would ever fight the U._S.. Government without warning all he was reclassified as one a meaning he was to be drafted into the Vietnam War several years earlier her Ali had taken a mental aptitude exam to discern his eligibility for military service because of his dyslexia and near Illiteracy Ali scored too low on the test to qualify for service and was classified one UAE in nineteen sixty four however in nineteen sixty six because of a growing need for soldiers the minimum eligibility score for the test Ali failed was lowered and he was suddenly eligible for service purpose without a re-test or notification of any kind Ali found the timing of his classification highly suspect considering he was the black Muslim heavyweight champion of the world with a global platform to protest test the Vietnam War and promote the nation of Islam. He insisted this was the real reason he was now being summoned to a war he did not agree with despite his appeals on April twenty eighth nineteen sixty seven Ben Mohammed Ali was ordered to Houston Texas to report for duty in the Vietnam War. Ali appeared before the induction board as ordered but no one knew what he was going to do once there. If he refused to formally the report he would be charged with draft evasion a crime that carried a ten thousand dollar fine and a five year jail sentence the induction board called out the name Mohammed Ali but he refused to step forward lowered the board now nervous called his name out again but still all he refused to step forward the board called all these name a third and final time he did not step forward ten days later Muhammad Ali was indicted by a grand jury states across the nation began revoking his licenses to fight and then the World Boxing Association stripped ripped him of his title though he'd never lost a fight Muhammad. Ali was no longer recognized as the heavyweight champion of the world. All E was also denied his passport during his indictment meaning he couldn't leave the country three to box abroad. Essentially he lost the ability to fight his entire livelihood had been taken from him and there was a very real possibility that soon he'd be in jail. It's important to note here that the U._S. U._S.. Government and the World Boxing Organisation are separate entities technically they could never have worked together to push Mohammed Ali out of boxing the country at large however had grown increasingly afraid of the nation of Islam throughout the sixties Dis in part because of the violent acts that were so commonly associated with its different extremist factions as a result. It was easy for the powers that be to make an example of Mohammed Ali the U._S. government had shown what happened when a citizen refused to serve their country and the world boxing organization well. They showed what happened when a champion disrupted the status quo with both organisations bearing down on all the with all their might it it was anything but a fair fight. All E did have a few happy moments during this tumultuous time however on August Seventeenth nineteen sixty seven he married his second wife Belinda Boyd more dedicated to the Nation Nation of Islam Than Ali's first wife Boyd changed her name to Colella Camacho Ali after the wedding over the next several years Colella would bear Ali four children with more support at home. All he began the end touring the country giving speeches on college campuses about the war religion and racial injustice in addition to the outpouring of support he had received from his fellow Muslims. He was now garnering support amongst the nation's and young liberal population the whole time Ali was touring for these speaking events he was fighting for the reinstatement of his boxing license but it was slow going twenty. Two States refused to grant Ali a license governor of California Ronald Reagan even went on the record saying that draft dodger will never fight in my state period according to all these trainer Angelo Dundee one thing must be taken into account talking about all the he was robbed of his best years his prime years these were the years passed from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy when all the fighter would have theoretically matured into the best shape of his as life Ali's long exile from boxing finally ended when the city of Atlanta granted Ali licensed to fight Californian boxer Jerry Quarry a group of Black Business Owners had organized the event and and Atlanta benefited tremendously from the events publicity to show support influential figures such as Diana Ross Sydney poce and the Reverend Jesse Jackson flock to what had become a red carpet spectacle the fight itself however was lacklustre after two close rounds all the cut corey above the eye and the fight was ruled a technical knockout but the champion was back is winning records still intact at around this same time Ali one of federal ruling that forced the state of New York to reinstate his boxing license. After a few tuneup fights Ali was ready again to challenge the heavyweight champion of the world world. The man who had won the title in Nineteen Seventy and who was in many ways Ali's complete opposite smokin Joe Frazier. It's almost uncanny how much these men's lives paralleled each other and how they seemed destined to meet Ali had won Olympic gold in nineteen sixty frazier won the same distinction in nineteen sixty four both men were revered as titans in the ring and now in one the most unique situations ever unfold in the world of sports to current heavyweight champions would face off against each other each with perfectly legitimate claims to the title it was truly a once in a lifetime event and it would make lifelong adversaries out of Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier when we come back. We'll take a look at the iconic fight between these two champions Amash that would live up to its title as the fight of the century and now back to the story Muhammad Ali was scheduled to fight Joe Frazier in Madison Square Garden on March Eighth Nineteen in seventy one at this point he had made his final appeal against the charge of draft evasion and taken the matter all the way to the Supreme Court. If he lost the appeal Ali would be sentenced to prison and the fight with frazier. Could be his last. The press struggled to make predictions Ali had once been the fastest and the greatest but that was before three years of inactivity fraser on the other hand relied on his incredible strength lasting endurance to win unless Ali had maintained his stamina from years before he was in for a serious beating the fight of the century was true to its name seats were so hard to get frank. Sinatra Batra had to work as a cameraman just to see the fight Ali and frazier endured fifteen brutal rounds they found themselves evenly matched in strength and endurance then for only the third time in his career rear all the was dropped to the floor by a mean left hook from frazier. It was a close fight but that's slip helped convince the judges to declare a unanimous victory for frazier for the first time in his professional national career. After thirty one fights Muhammad Ali had lost he remained gracious with no taunting or excuses and it appeared to many that the era of Ali was over but little did the public public now after this humbling loss all e would go on to claim an incredible victory from the U._S.. Government a few months after losing the fight of the century in June nineteen seventy one Ali received word the Supreme Court was recognizing his status as a conscientious objector. He was no longer one a after four long years he had beaten the U._S.. Government according to Journalists Bob Woodward and Scott Armstrong the Supreme Court justices were swayed by two things the first was the autobiography of Malcolm X. Published in nineteen sixty five which convinced some Supreme Supreme Court justices that all these nonviolent objections to the war were sincere. The second was the fact that no previous court had provided Ali with a reason why his status would be denied he was arguably the most famous sports figure in the world. If the Supreme Court was going to deny his final appeal they had best provide him with a reasonable explanation and that's exactly when the case fell apart wants the court set out to explain why Ali should be denied tied his appeal. It became apparent. There was no good reason why all these religious freedom should be encroached upon according to Woodward and Armstrong Justice Potter Stewart was largely responsible for convincing the Supreme Court you to approve all these appeal in an incredible unanimous eight zero decision overjoyed by the incredible victory Ali set out once again to reclaim his world championship title he battled title Joe Frazier once again this time he won by unanimous decision after twelve rounds since frazier had already lost his title however to the new heavyweight champion George Foreman this was simply a stepping being stone for Ali. If he wanted his title back he would now have to take it from George Foreman on October Thirtieth nineteen seventy four Mohammed Ali would get that chance and the African country of Zaire. I year in a fight dubbed the rumble in the jungle airing on H._B._O.. It took place at four o'clock A._M.. Local time in front of sixty thousand screaming fans the fans were screaming Ali Bouma yea which translates to Ali Kill him the him in that chant was George Foreman the aggressive young boxer who admitted he actually hoped to kill people when he stepped into the ring with them for weeks. Ali had been talking about a surprise tactic he would use on forman something he had been working out with his trainer. Angelo Dundee the night of the fight the world watched in confusion and then disbelief chief as Mohammed Ali unveiled an entirely new boxing strategy the rope a dope simply put all the arrested as much as he could on the ropes alongside the outside of the ring the impact of Forman's jabs then passed through all these body and was absorbed by the elasticity of the ropes to form and it looked like Ali was tired and scared so he continued to give everything he had tried to knock out all the as foreman became visibly fatigued. Ali began to smile and taunt him saying things like is that all you got in the eighth round all the brought form into the floor with a left right combination in a completely unexpected upset all he had taken back his title for the second time in his life. He was the heavyweight champion of the world but it still wasn't enough though he he was once again the reigning Champ Ali still had one more name in his ledger. Joe Frazier was the only man to have beaten him. Ali needed to beat frazier again to settle the score in nineteen seventy five live the two men would rematch in the Philippines for the Thrilla in Manila the two equally matched boxers needed to determine once and for all who was a better fighter and the results were difficult to watch catch by all accounts Ali and frazier left everything they had in the ring those watching began to worry that the boxers would murder each other at one point. I'll leave and muttered to his corner. This must be what dying being feels like despite the pain each boxer stood round after round trading blows and winning points off each other sacrificing their bodies for clear shots at one another until Joe Frazier's corner corner conceded the fight before the fifteenth round the fight was watched by a record one billion viewers and is considered by many to be the end of another era for Ali he never fully recovered from Manila and he found his prowess declining in the years after nineteen seventy five doctors had warned Ali before this about the dangers of boxing now they're warnings became only more frequent if he continued can you to fight. He could develop severe neurological disorders undeterred all the continued to fight according to his personal physician Ferdie Pacheco through his fights in the seventies quote Ali had discovered something which was both very good and very bad very bad and that it led to the physical damage. He suffered later in his career very good in that. It eventually got him back the championship. He discovered that he could take a punch Kerry Smith a member of all these entourages remarked quote. The first signal of decline was in all these hands check. Oh all these doctor at the end of his career began injecting them with Novacaine before or fights and the ride went on then the reflexes slowed the beatings began many speculated it was Ali's entourage the Leeches and many hangers on that had developed around him over the years that were bleeding him dry. I if this is true Ali would have needed to fight just in order to pay his bills. It lends credibility to this theory that in nineteen seventy six after the thrilla in Manila all reportedly checked into a hotel in required seventy seventy four rooms for everyone and his group has his lifestyle grew increasingly extravagant and his children grew older it became harder and harder for Ali to Balance Work Family in the tenants of the nation of Islam before long it was revealed to the world he'd been having an affair in nineteen seventy seven Ali filed for divorce from his second wife Colella Camacho Ali with whom he had four children she had stood by him for eight years by all accounts supporting him as he endured the most trying time of his life once their divorce was final Ali immediately married a woman by the name of Veronica Porsche Porsche who had been one of the poster girls rose for all these rumble in the jungle fight had begun a relationship with Ali three years before in Kinshasa Zaire at the age of eighteen in nineteen seventy seven the two were married in Los Angeles California this second. In divorce had no doubt cost Ali plenty and court fees but he still denied he was ever hard up for money over the years. Ali had built various businesses and restaurants across the country his share in these companies he claimed was worth worth millions. Whatever the reason Ali was compelled to continue boxing in nineteen seventy eight on February fifteenth thirty six year old Ali got into the ring with the young fighter Leon John Spinks Ali expected this to be easy? It was only the eighth time spinks had ever been in a professional fight and yet spinks outmaneuvered the aging Ali in nearly every round after fifteen rounds with no oh knockout spinks was awarded victory on points all e had suffered his third loss in eighteen years and lost the championship title spinks for his part had just claimed the heavyweight championship faster than any any boxer in history many believed that had been in the ring with a younger Ali he never would have won these same people now believed that Ali's career was over but Allie had never cared what other people thought after his loss to spinks Ali saw the opportunity to do something he'd always hated train. He truly believed that if he got into his best fighting shape he would be the first boxer in history to take third third championship title on September Fifteenth Nineteen Seventy eight exactly seven months after losing his title to Leon spinks Muhammad Ali climb back into the ring to take it back he was slower than it used to be. His reflexes deadening his breathing was labored. Many in the audience felt strange if not sad to see one of the greatest athletes of all time falling from grace so quickly so desperately so hopelessly sleep like before the fight went fifteen rounds but this time miraculously it was Ali who outmaneuvered spinks by unanimous decision history was made as Ali was awarded the championship title for the Third Time then in nineteen seventy nine in the manner most dignified Muhammed Ali came to an important decision after a legendary comeback he announced his retirement from from the sport of boxing out of reverence for his past and concern for his future all the wood box no more but then Larry Holmes came along according to all the the reason he continued to fight after the thrilla in Manila the fight with frazier which physically changed him was because people told him not to anything you tell me not to do all these said I'll do. The CHAP had an interesting point he he was told not to fight listen when he did he became a champion who was told not to fight foreman when he did he became a champion. He was told not to fight spinks and yet when he did he became came a champion. Is it any wonder then when people told Ali not to fight Larry Holmes he couldn't resist Ali's nineteen eighty fight with Larry. Holmes is one of the truly sad moments of sports history according according to Jonathan Ig- Ali's biographer Ali's health was quickly deteriorating at this point before the fight Ali was so uncoordinated and fatigued that he was unable to touch his finger to his nose in a physical examination nomination. Several sources have reported that prior to this fight. Ali was prescribed medication for a misdiagnosed thyroid problem. When the dose had no effect the prescription was increased as a result of the unnecessary a medication all the lost thirty six pounds throughout the course of his training? He later said he was quote weak dazed in a dream during his fight with Larry Holmes Larry a solid fighter grew progressively devastated dated throughout the match hating that he had to hurt his childhood hero but the heavyweight champion was simply too far gone homes knocked him out in the eleventh round all he would fight one more time fourteen months later against Trevor Berbick other than the fact that this was always last match the nineteen eighty-one fight was largely unremarkable in every way Berbick was declared the winner in the tenth round by a unanimous decision. It was an anticlimactic finale to an incredible career Ali retired shortly thereafter with a record of fifty six and five for a time he rested on his secluded farm in Michigan and before being diagnosed with Parkinson's disease a degenerative neurological disease as a direct result of the years he'd spent in the ring following his diagnosis in one thousand nine hundred four all the divorced his third wife Veronica. I am married Yolanda Williams. According to his family he was highly contented. Despite his failing health he accomplished everything he'd set out to an spoke a few regrets he devoted himself to various philanthropic efforts arts including a nineteen ninety-four human rights mission to Vietnam where he was welcomed as a hero it seemed Allie was happy to spend the rest of his days away from the spotlight with the company of his wife Yolanda and his nine children Muhammad Ali the self proclaimed greatest still had one great moment to share with the world in nineteen ninety six in Atlanta the same city that had hosted his legendary return to boxing Ali found himself on the Olympic stage for the first time since one thousand nine hundred sixty he had been chosen as the athlete to light that year's Olympic torch an incredible honor that concluded the flames weeks long journey across the country entry as the former champion accepted the torch and began a sending a great staircase in the last leg of the journey the world stared in awe at Ali now a quivering speechless shell of his former self off the moment was simultaneously cause for celebration and reflection American journalists cal sussman described the world's reaction best quote. There are very few people in the history of the planet who could make everybody everybody in the world stop for a moment forget their differences smile and applaud in unison. Perhaps all the was the only one left. I wondered if there'd be anyone after on June third two thousand Sixteen Muhammad Ali passed away in Scottsdale Arizona after being hospitalized for respiratory illness he succumbed to septic shock. He was seventy four years old. Upon upon hearing the news people gathered all over the world to admire the larger than life. All the fans friends and family remembered the amazing achievements of the self-proclaimed greatest of all time now when we look back at Ali one of the biggest human beings to ever live. There's so much to remember perhaps however his greatest achievement has nothing to do with what he gave us and everything to do with what he gave up to fame sports commentator Stuart Scott the answer is simple quote what made all the revolutionary and what made in the most distinct athlete of our or any time is that he was willing willing to give up his career for a belief thanks again for tuning into our historical figures summer of Sixty sixty-nine special. If you enjoyed this episode checkout par cast continue to retrospective into the summer of sixty nine from July twenty second through August ninth the summer of Sixty Nine will feature twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode of historical figures next week. 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Tyson Fury Deserves Muhammad Ali Comparisons,Ben Davison ClaimsWay Off or Spot On

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Tyson Fury Deserves Muhammad Ali Comparisons,Ben Davison ClaimsWay Off or Spot On

"Those are the panelists and do not reflect. Anyway those are the podcast partners. Sponsors or affiliates enjoy this is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready for boxing. Voice Dot Com before all work dedication windows twelve. We take. Don't really low anybody listening. Field fifteen minutes just a little bit thing we gotta deal with. He's talking book requires. Are you ready for the fireman we are? We live in training Oh ooh baby. Welcome Back Ladies and gentlemen to another glorious morning edition thank the Big Man? Upstairs will all up in atom. We gotta Jam packed. Show for you today. You won't controversy with bringing it straight from the word of Ben Davidson a trainer or should I say former trainer of Tyson fury who is putting on such a pedestal. He wants Tyson theory to have similar comparisons to that of the greatest the go Mohammed Ali. So what we're GONNA do this. We're not old in. That don't mean that in any disrespect but I'm not a historian. I don't follow history. How Great was Ali? What did he do? Do I deserve to have an opinion on this topic? I don't know so we're going to get the very intelligent knowledgeable world renowned trainer Steven Bradman Edwards on the show. And then we're GONNA have long time commentator common calm you know calm come lowest common commonly whatever do the rights columnists area go columnists all type of stuff. Steve FOR HOOD FOR SHOWTIME. I mean he's worked for ABC USA all all the networks. We're getting on at nine fifteen. We're going to stick to the script. We just want their opinion. We want to hear what they feel. How they received this audio which audio nest which audio okay I got you. I'm sorry Boston's GonNa wind beat Wladimir Klitschko while he was on these Dominant run a why he then went to beat Walder he then when dominating stop Waldo a second time I know some people that say tossing win that I bought different opinions wherever that's my opinion And and he went away in An installer you know. Don't think as anybody a resume plugs. It's awesome fury's An article chocolate sauce in this morning and just decided to look for. What did you checked in the ring? Go think about what he's achieved out saw. During easy sports sounds of people along the way people want like comparing him. Why covering to the likes of. Mohammed Ali but what it managed to achieve in the ring and outside the ring in terms of you know the quality charlene the ring but white inspired and helped so many outsiders tossing fewer will be spoke about the many many many years to come and probably ear. Is You know when when we long gone so the question is does Ben Davidson. Have a point. Is he way off or is he spot on with his comments are opened up? Let me head on out to all my co hosts around the world. You know the number to call in if you WANNA give us your opinion on this. After we have Steve Fort Hood and Stephen Brandman Edwards on the show one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one and if you are a TBB morning daily show user. Hit US up on skied at Nestor. The Gibbs can yes yes yes good morning. Good Morning. Welcome to the show was. My aunt is my pleasure to be here and It is today's date and we in corona season still I'm sweaty off a fresh morning. Run and listening to that. News Compare Tyson fury to Muhammad Ali in an outside of the ring. I'm say how now but I'll elaborate after other brothers get introduced me Mattio. What a what a what up? Yo this is a pretty coincidental. I guess I'll say since yesterday. We talked about the heavyweight division and we made comparisons to Which was the better division Are What was the better era? I'm sorry in terms of heavyweight and we compared the nineties Tyson era to this era we compared this era too Ali Era the frazier era. Whatever you WANNA call it and so You know I got a little more firepower today. Just a little bit. I went back and looked and I was like Yo there has to be like an open shut case here and so. Let's let's hope I did the research. Let's hope The defendant can get the case once a day would up Alex Bruce Chapman Alexander Heath no Alexander Jack big big shoes to fill in champ. We're talking about the greatest. We're talking about the man who made it out of the bring politically entertaining in. He was a polarizing figure in in and out of the ring is that we got enticing fury. What kind of comparisons going to make? I don't know what because you shuffle. Your feet a couple of times. I'm GonNa give you that plaque. Maybe maybe not. But I'M GONNA have to kick back with the fellas seeing like how can we just put him on that pedestal? You know what I'm saying. What has he done out of the ring. Because he's done some shit in the ring but what does he done out of the ring that put him up Man Ali? Can I just conversation would do me? A Nestor Real Quick Jam. Go for look so Saturday right we I saw for the first time ever Mohammed Ali fight. I know Muhammad Ali montage life but never ever probably seen an entire fight. And when did seem fight on? Espn versus. Joe Frazier. Both one into or two and three rather first thing. I thought of Tyson Fury. I see he where he got greatness from entering you know he reminded me of Tyson fury the way. He shuffled away. He jabbed you know the way he moved. Although Tyson furious six nine he does it exactly like Mohammed Ali and I'm sure and sparring do like Muhammed leaders the shuffled. This is not clowning around. This is a style and his his style so yes you can compare him entering but outside of the Ring Muhammad Ali a righteous man. Muhammad Ali stood up use his celebrity now for mental illness and not taking that away from Tyson fury but for racism also for hunger for poverty globally. So it's a big difference. Big Difference can be compared outside. Also Muhammad Ali was stripped of his license and taken his passport away. And now we got a sceptre up in we gotta sceptre no no no. I didn't know I thought he was finished. You know he got passionate pauses so he four he his heat and fight from the age and this is a prime agent boxing from the age of twenty five to the age of twenty nine. What was furious. Gap Ness. You wanted to bench. I just wanted to say that's why I was good to cut off. Man I think I was gonna say something like They're using the mental illness. How inspired thousands of remember resort back to the Audio? You know this guy. It is a remarkable story but because I think the evolution of biggest loser all these reality series shows where these guys balloon up men and women and then they lose weight where overlooking maybe Tyson Fury's Comeback Story to go away to Germany and dethrone Wladimir Klitschko after such a long run on enemy territory. All the things that you know fighters usually end up ruining contracts for right like it's always negotiations and that's like why would I go to the hometown of the champion and not get a fair decision? But fury's done that now twice. And if you're Ben Davidson you think he's done that three times. Not only that but bounce back from mental illness back bounce from back bounce from obesity. Alcoholism Drug Abuse. What do you say to those that say like all that stuff was self induced? Like you know you did it to yourself like and we're supposed no you don't praise them but there's others that have gone through his story and having come out of it or reach the success in levels of success that he has so he is some sort of inspirational story to those to the fact man wanting to lose weight or to the boxer who was about to give up. That's who he pulled that inspiration from Tyson to possibly you take you take. I mean I'm sorry I'm thinking that you know when we start talking and comparing a boxer style Lee you gotta be very careful the way tread because like you know we got social media now. We got a lot of ways to kind of mold things into what do we want the fight at. Look you know what I'm saying or want. The people look at the fighter like so I don't know Lee had a real hard. I think he was is time. He lived in two through He was going through. Different things Tyson fury again. We're not going to discredit. Obviously you made a good point as he he. Will you know reach a lot of people with historian? Maybe you know being a figure inspiration No no doubt about it but To comp- yeah comparative to what did In in in in the sense of political awareness and just all around the issue yes segregation. It was just so much going on during his time draft. That's why he got his license stripped and then at the same time we're going back into the ring where where matters. I guess if you WANNA compare in greatness fighters I think Mohammed Ali had harder. I mean you know. I'm not saying that you know 'cause Tyson. Fury was blessed with High Weight. And all that other stuff. It's his fault but like Muhammad Ali far bigger guy. Strong guy tougher opposition long. I mean long long along more around longer flight. Fifteen round fights he would get in there and he would take allies laws. Get back in there I just I just see Mohammed Ali as like your I will fight you whenever I chew. I is it whenever I'm a fight you now. I believe I can beat you. You beat my ass. Nama beach you like last sense you could compare him to Tyson fury right with that Tyson. Fury is that as well. I would say that I will give that to Tyson fury. I will give him the mental illness battle the obesity battle. But that's like saying. Yo you build a little two storey building. Not Discredit him. But Mohammed Ali built an empire. State high-rise high-rise highrise like he went against the government in the draft and used an example of segregation after winning a gold medal going into his home town American gold medalist to eat dinner in a fancy restaurant and they refuse them because he was black. Yo listen this is no way at this point outside of the ring wreaking compare Tyson Fury to Mohammed Ali. Man Put an entire generation on his back and fought an unjust war. And we are going to go to our guest yes sir. Good morning to St Far Hood and foremost thank you for coming on the program. Obviously we do not feel knowledgeable enough to give an opinion on Ben Davidson's opinion. I don't know if you heard audio from Talk Sports. I can play it or give you the gist of what was said totally up to you. But thank you for coming on the program and giving us the opportunity. How are you Mr Far Hood? Pleasure hanging in there in New York City and Just wish there were fights to be going to report but Yeah you can give me the gist of it. I think I heard it already. That basically fury should be thought of in the same light as Mohammed. Ali's at the gist of it. Yes Tyson fury deserves to be compared to Muhammad Ali for his incredible displays in out of the ring according to former trainer Ben Davidson. Well you know. I'm not going to criticize Davidson. Because he's curious guy and if that was if that comment was said by journalist or broadcaster. Who's supposed to be objective neutral. I'd say it's absolutely ridiculous because you know comparing anybody. Tamales is justly unfair to that fighter. There will never be another Ali. And you know with fury's accomplishments you know. He's beating Vitamin kooks going. Deontay wilder that's not to be taken lightly to gust heavyweights in the world at the time But that doesn't compare to what he did over the course of a career you know I. It's never fair to judge fighter until his career is over and we can look at least career as a whole and say he did this. He didn't do this. He did this. And this amount of time. Whatever pasted fury as a long way to go and right now. He's in his prime. And let's see how much more you accomplishes before. We start comparing him to a greatest fighter. Maybe in the history of boxing eighty-one Steve. Thank you for joining us Might even get here You know we interviewed you years back and you had talked about This golden age of Boxing for you which was heavyweights and I had realized that everybody has their golden age. You know I have my Golden Age featherweights Pacquiao Marquez. Everybody do you think that because heavyweight boxing had been in such a lull for a little bit? And now we're starting to pick up that there is this. I guess over expectation fighters. Do you think that perhaps there are? There is an argument. They're based solely on that for people. That don't have that history like you well. I think that there's a tendency to overrate. Today's heavyweights because wilder and Joshua specifically are very very exciting fighters but they're also very vulnerable fighters and fury is such a larger than life figure that he gets so much attention as well while he has been exciting as the other two. You know there's not that kind of power I think that today's heavyweight division is very intriguing but part of the reason it's intriguing because these fighters vulnerable and you can't compare this era even to bow Lewis Holyfield or of course early seventies when you had Ali Frazier Norton Foreman Lyle etc so. It's a very strong. It's a very strong era for heavyweights right now but part of the appeal of it is that gets in the ring. You don't know what to expect. When wilder gets in the ring you might get a spectacular knockout. When Joshua gets in the ring? You might get a knockout. You also might see him getting knocked up this all the excitement but in terms of quality pure quality for that argument. This era does not rate yet with the great heroes of the past. Stevedores Alex here which Thanks for coming on You know you've you've been you've been you've been covering fights for awhile you've seen a lot and What's what what what are? What is a heavyweight missing in order to be you know be able to be compared with the likes of those guys in those times? I was beacon on how you know different times present. Different challenges for fighters. What what sort of different into nasty Those fighters of the seventies eighties and even holyfield into the nineties. Have these guys don't got right now. Well I think there's there's two parts to it. One is the public perception. And it's very hard for anybody today to match the public perception of a Mohammad-ali because Ali was the most famous person in the world. Not just the most famous athlete doing one. We could compare them to in any other sport in recent years I think is is maybe Lebron may be Michael Jordan but I'll e. Was You know the Times with different? Boxing was bigger and as a result of Ali fighting at a time when he had so many great opponents he became what he became combination of the placing him in in time in history. The best era of history and then his performances were obviously fantastic. So it's very hard for anybody to match that today. I think you know. In Joshua had he stayed undefeated. We would've seen a more of a global heavyweight who I appeal that went well outside of the United States went throughout Europe. And maybe the rest of the world that is on. Hold right now because we can't be sure what he's going to do with the rest of his career but it's very hard for anybody to match. I'll e because it's difficult to match the Times The Times at different and you know so much of what happened in the early seventies was because of the depth of the division today. You have the big three and heavyweight boxing back then you had a big eight or nine and it was really the deepest time as well as having Ali and frazier at the top. It was the deepest time and headway history. So it's very hard for today's Today's guys to match that in some young fans probably don't even realize that or want to acknowledge it but it but it's true st falsehood and Rica Church. Welcome to the show. Thanks a right. I like to have fun guy that talks to the television. I'm the guy that likes to have fun scoring the fights and you have an unofficial card all the time. Sometimes I'm the guy like Steve. How did you score? That doesn't affective punt check. Change does the effective punch changed the scorecard or two or three of them throughout the entire round. How do you score now saying that you score wrong? I'm just saying well. No it's a subjective thing I mean if you disagree with me totally got it. Sometimes it's always going to happen just like I disagree with the official judges. Sometimes it's going to happen but yeah I mean you have to what I've learned doing this now for the last decade or so. Is that the most important thing in scoring. Fight is focused. You have to really be focused on what you're looking for. Can't focus on what the announcer say. You can't focus on you know the fact that my beer is getting warm. You know whatever it is you have to really focus on the fight and the way I do. It is during around. I say well fighter as a little bit advantage. Oh there's a big punch by fight it'd be maybe. He has a slight advantage now or he has a big advantage. And then I see where I'm at at the end of the round so it's kind of a running dialogue and ultimately you don't WanNa get trapped into thinking you want to score a fight based on aggressiveness or based on defense you want clean effective punching. That's the most important single element which fighter scored more with effective punches ultimately. That's that's how I score fight anyway. All right good good. When was expecting that now? I have another question because I'm watching it on. Tv MOST OF THE TIME. You're watching ringside. Do you think the television angles take away from the scoring those views at home. 'cause we always debate like what. How was that a draw or what? How did he win? And a fair question. Yeah. It's a great question. And it's it's definitely a factor because you as a fan are being forced to view what the director of the show. Who's sitting in a production truck wants you to see now generally Getting PRETTY GOOD. Look at it sometimes. Better than the judges you know. I'm very fortunate I sit next to a monitor. So if the fighters are in a corner far away from me and the referees blocking my view I can take a peek at the Monitor and see better. What's going on the judges? Don't always have that advantage. That's why they said on three different sides of the ring so they get three different perspectives and as a result of those different perspectives. Sometimes you can give different scorecards so yes the fact that you're watching on. Tv is a little different and you know the effective punches can be different. They can be kinda sanitized by television. You know good body punch doesn't appear to be as effective on TV as it does live a good jab is more effective live than it is on TV so it it can affect your perspective and I I always say if I'm watching a fight on TV and someone asked me. How'd you score it? First thing I say is well I was. I was not there. Who'S WATCHING ON TV? It's a different perspective and very often. That'll created different scorecard. Thank you see. So Steve My last question is do you see any comparisons between Tyson fury and Ali. Can you find any for argument's sake? Yes I think there are. Comparisons to be made in that alley was obviously a larger than life figure and Tyson. Fury has that kind of personality. He has a great story he's overcome. Look with Alli overcame. You know not being able to fight the three and a half years. When after his His draft status I mean security is overcome drug and alcohol addiction mental issues a long lay-off being grossly out of shape. I mean this is why. Plus he add his natural personality. Which is a likable one. He's a playful guy. He's thoughtful guy he he's he's a larger than life character and I think that's great for boxing. Great for the heavyweight division. I it it's a little as I said before. I think it's a little unfair to compare anybody we But but Tyson fury is is you know probably. Maybe you could argue the most interesting single fighter in boxing. Today so I think our comparison can be drawn. Steve of now with the regarding. Fury's legacy in mind as asking this question. The idea that he said that retirement would be soon on the rise even made mentions that after fighting. Aj he would retire Let's assume for argument's sake that that's true. Let's say that he beats Asia. What kind of legacy do you think he leaves behind? Do you think that people Because of the impressiveness of beating cliquot wilder and AJ remaining undefeated all those types of things and then of course all the outside aspects that go news career. Do you think his legacy remains intact if you were to retire on his terms even though you know people criticize so much about retirement and everything or do you think that he's got to remain and knock off some of these other guys you know dillion white or or or a big baby or whoever To really secure legacy and be thought of as an all time great or is that legacy intact now. Well I think that if he beats Joshua first of all that's a huge fight in England much bigger there obviously than it is here But it's it's. It's a missing piece of the puzzle right but if he beats Joshua he's clearly I mean is already the number one in the world but he's he clearly will have established himself as the number one heavyweight. Obviously era that saying a lot. You know you can't. You can't ask for a heavyweight or fighter in any division to do more than that And YOU'RE GONNA call him an all time. Great I could understand if you do based on those three things as of right now with the exception of the win over quicker which was very ugly as we know but he did what he had to do and the win over a day which was incredibly impressive and I think he'd be down there twice but that's just my opinion. I think those are the really. The only two major wins. He has so I'd like to see a little more volume is on his record but should be Joshua and say goodbye. Yeah I I think you'd have to you. Know you'd have to consider them an all time great because he he will have established himself firmly established himself as the best way to bazire. Well Steve WE WANNA thank you obviously four. You got one more Alex I apologize. It was a quick one jus- just out of curiosity. 'cause I'm trying to dig into that knowledge Panky got there. Oh comparing Tyson fury his greatest fight comparing it to Muhammad Ali's greatest fight. Meaning what fight. I'm trying to ask EILLY fight. That broke him. You know not considering the stuff. He did out of the ring just sticking to inside of their in what. What was Ali fight? They brought him to that level. That said Oh my God you know during that time you know. Oh my God. That's the guy that's that he's going to be the greatest disguise amazing and then compare it to Tyson. Fury's you know most career defining fight. Which a lot of us think was Vlad. Because that's when he took the belts What fight what you do do you. Do you feel as it was? Muhammad Ali's like breaking out fight fight where everybody was okay. This is the guy. Well that's a very interesting question. Because the first time around before his draft draft layoff Ali really wasn't challenged. Never really had that tougher fight. Most people think they're physically his best performance like you talk about Floyd's best performance maybe being corral US Mohammed Ali's best performance. Most people think when he was in his prime was Cleveland Williams That fight on Youtube. I'm guessing so if anybody hasn't seen it you WANNA see I'll eat is very best but the fight that turned the public around. Interestingly was a loss and that was his fight with Frazier. His lost frazier. He showed an incredible ability show and all the things he didn't he never had to show before he showed. Chen. He showed heart he was. He was clearly beating the knife fight but he showed he was a fighter. So I think the loss more than any winning ever had convinced the Ali haters of which there were many that. Hey this guy's legitimate disguise legitimate fighter. And then of course. He had some of his biggest wins after that loss. Beating Frazier twice more beating forman but I think it's unusual for some fighters stab the loss be defining fight but for him at that point. I think that's what it was. Well we do want to thank you obviously for your time. Appreciate you coming on and talking some boxing and obviously blessing us with your box and knowledge. We're GONNA have a trainer Steven Edwards on next to get his opinion once again. Thank you if you have any social media. WanNa give out. Please give it out at this time for anyone. That isn't following. You can do so. He I met. I met at St Far Hood at on twitter. And please say hello to the Bradman for me. 'cause he's as good friend in knees has knowledgeable. Boxing Guy Has There is Stephen? Form actually said the same thing to say hello to you that you're his guy thank you and I will love him and he knows his stuff. Yeah no probably China Steve Hood from Showtime New York City Communist. Comm- Mario Getting on. I'm going to Stephen Edwards right now. Back columnist yeah. No just Amazing Interviews Default Hood just wow Probably in my opinion The most knowledgeable guy You know since Since the passing of Bert Sugar And so yeah you know. He said a lot of things that make a lot of sense You know and I would even add that because I I understand what he was saying about the wilder you know the the performance of the second Walter Fight. It was amazing but when I think about Mohammed Ali I mean there's so many moments in the ring that that rain true and that stay in your mind Tyson furious missing those a little bit you know and and don't get me wrong. I have some that. Have nothing to do with wilder. Have nothing to do with Klitschko. You know the Cunningham fight is definitely one that sticks out in my mind But until I until I see him put up a few more of those I guess wilder performances and it doesn't have to be this dominating factor put but I mean Ali had these moments. It was a you know it was just one of those things where he continued to to do impressive things and he continued to to really create his own legacy and I don't know I just think that at this point it would be a little soon to to put that on Tyson fury and so you know but again it goes back to the point. He made you know that's his former trainer. He would expect him to say that's different than a journalist saying it is different than one of us saying it. So Yup Bradman box is up next Stephen at words so would we know about him. one of my favorite trainers definitely You know we've interviewed him. He used to he used to Train this fighter. Oh my God star importer John Porter and then you know. He's Got Cairo. Davis Tyrone Davis Williams. And I believe so I believe someone else But Julie Williams again gotta give this guy credit because he brought Julian from the amateurs to you know a unified title shot and they won so you know it was their second opportunity at a title. They failed versus Jamaal. Charles Oh but they came back big in a unification so that goes in the books and you know guys that can bring a person to that sort of level you have to admire not everyone can be unified. Definitely definitely and Yeah the soils tells ya I remember interviewing Dave is doing a story on him and then I interviewed Bradman and it was like I still have my notes. He kicks so much knowledge that day. I if there was one interview that I got so much out of it's gotta be al-anon's going to be at you know pretty close to the top of the list Ironically enough fatherhood belongs at the top of that list to for me so yes early. Gentlemen we are back world renowned trainer. We just gave you quickly to update on Some of his fighters in accomplishments Stephen Bradman at words. How are you first and foremost thank you for taking the time to come on the program talk a little bit of boxing with US doering? Cova did good morning. How you guys doing we're good. We're good just got off with Steve and obviously I personally feel. I don't have you know history or knowledge of the history of boxing to the extent that I can really give any valid opinion on whether or not Tyson and Mohammed Ali Tyson fury. Muhammad Ali can be in the same sentence but according to his former trainer Tyson fury deserves to be compared to Muhammad Ali for his incredible displays in and out of the ring. And that's according to former trainer Ben Davidson now now Steve gave us his reasons that he could find for. Argument's sake why Tyson could be compared. Can you find any reason why Tyson fury can be compared to Muhammad Ali on? Actually I can but sometimes you know late when you hear a current fighter you'd compare to a leading then if you just look at the comment like surface level you saw. He hasn't done enough and things like that. First and foremost Let me practice this with a couple of things. I think You know been days in the train and show a lot of class we still saying complimentary things about Tyson. Fear even know. He lost his job. Because you know. A lot of trainers in You know sometimes there's like a little beef you know when to reach a training But and also I wanted to say to take some theories not Mohammed Ali. So you know. I know people go crazy when he read the headlines and they don't like delve into no he's not bombing Ali better fighting a mom and I le- but I can understand the the comparison from this perspective on one he has allowed branch personality To we've made a lot of predictions and fights that he said he was. GonNa win and went out and did it. You know very similar. You know To the way he said he was going to do it. And people don't realize is that He was the underdog in two big wins. And I know that no fights are wondering the ring you know not on paper but there is a value to winning fights as a big underdog. He was the underdog verse Wladimir Klitschko. He's the underdog burs Deontay Law And won both of those sites you know. Ali was underdog burs semi listing. Probably was the underdog. I George Foreman George. Foreman was a huge party. Sonny Liston was a huge puncher. Quit SCHOOLS OF EACH PUNCTURE. Deontay wilder is a huge puncher. Ali In theory are both look guys who are boxers and more finesse guys than punches. But yet they was able to win those fights and not only will gave it a windows bites was able to get stoppages really stop wilder and Ali Stop. Risking informed him. So I get it. You know I look at things from a different perspective. There most people are not you know. I don't take things for search level. You know holidays and then you get ahead. Line people running with it so I do get those comparisons Maybe take the better known. Not But if you can't help them you born and the everyday boarding he said and did a lot of things and actually went out and did you know and this is coming from somebody. We pick the wild to win the fight and did I was like wow you know we got it sometimes means. I'll put your prior to the side and he just got to be objective into US wrong and I was wrong I while they was gonna flip them and and fury put on a great performance. And that's just that you gotta you gotTa live with being wrong sometime. And I'm sure the people were wrong about holly and his As far as I used to win and and you want them and then after he won the fight they booked up until very by toge also and he knows you gotta respect that you gotTa respect the man who put yourself out there and back it up because the boxing ring is the truth machine and you know sometimes we sit around and we call this fighter and fighter bomb. That guy can't fight and things like that everybody on the world class level could fight. Everybody has gone. Never disrespect the fighting. Everybody only world-class level could fight. Sure you got journeyman who you know. They fight for money the same. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY. Who's made it to the elite work as loving. You GotTa respect them you know ness a CD to do some boxing and stuff like you know. That shit ain't easy man. Getting punched in the face cardia strengthen the Coordination Tom League so funny After moving around the ring that's not an easy sport so imagine that the at the local level is nothing to play with respect to put yourself out there and go out there and say that he would. He won't do any go out and do it. Another things you gotta respect the layoffs many layoffs for different reasons but whenever you stop doing something become rusty and he came back and forth while. They're one of the things I thought we are man. He's been off too long. Gm had enough sites and he went out there and perform rope and he got the draw. And then you know we got the rematch and won the fight. Ali had a long day off and he had to fight some hope after he came back. And you know and and people so he wasn't GonNa be the same any wind up you know ascend into greater heights so I get the comparising you know because I'm sure they'd been Davis in these an historian and they say that what Elsa checked in and went out you know Knowing that people don't come back and see different things then. I met him out. La On the first Theory log. We didn't talk long but you know you start talking to them. But he's a smart guy. I mean he did good job. 'cause a lot of stress to be ended in that fight was such a vicious puncher. You know fighting on his sawyer when his country and He did a good job. I thought that a lot of criticism they got was unwarranted. You know that was the best fight. Jury could afford and that particular time so You know I get the comparison You know but I did want to run with him. I'm not saying he's got a law to go to be Ali. You know we only ask to championship fights but As far as those big wins against countries and the comeback and the brand personality you know th there there are some You know there's some similarities and highly. Do the damn just going jumping. I'm not supposed to but I'm so glad you came on the show because you put it into perspective very easy like super breakdown. Yeah I mean I mean the fact that you put him up against the how they're both boxers. I always knew they were both boxes. But that they both won their biggest vice versus punches. I would have never known that. And that's what I'm saying. I don't never claim to be a historian. I watch that I know the underdog both times being an underdog. That's an insane comparison like man. You kinda made a case for Tyson fury. In my opinion you know even though you're saying like no no one's greater than our lead like wow you gave like Definitely some background information that I was. I was influenced. It was super informed here. Here's the thing that's no No meeting pre cool. Is You know interviews and stuff like that But here's the thing a lot of times right you know. I try to stay off of Youtube in with Boxing Stuff because you get a little gossip and offset things in the past. And I've seen other people say things were head. Lon Konin says one thing but then you go into what they're saying. It's not that you understand what I'm saying so like I can see why you know when if at first glance is somebody says we've been Davidson compare security of mine and I le- everybody says. Oh no no no I leave. Obviously I leave them better fighter. That's not agree to fight it. That's not a for the beep. I problem I cell phone looking at things someone different perspective and and I did go along with the first thing I see. 'cause you've gotta look deeply in those sometimes you could rush to judgement and make yourself foolish so when you know. This is not the first time somebody's X. Me About this and I and I actually told the person like you know what I want to get in the middle of that because I know I was GonNa look but it is some similarities. Actually I kind of told you that this morning. I'm you know I got to come on. I'm like you know I I just wanted the chance to say everything as far as you know because if you if you just take one quote in what the actor and is more to it than just you know. Obviously I don't think he was saying that he's better holly they do draw some room. Irie comparisons when you even if you look at. How long would lead off? You know they live in the same reason. Water lead off. You know typing through some addiction issues on elite have any issues but you know the lay off the ages. They were when he will lead off is is is unique. You know what I mean so you know and effectively not punch anytime partners in and he scored a stoppage. You know usually they people say feel you win by decision because he's a boxer Robbie win by knockout when you know you know before everybody and got the stoppage and devote out in the eighth round. You know Fury Start Loud in eight and all off. I argue with my co hosts about interrupt and let the Guest Talk. But did you do research or is this off the top man? This is insane to me. Like how do you know all is did you normal blood minutes ago but I don't know if you did some research law me I'll have to research ness I ain't gonna a lot I mean I I don't have to Google and do all that stuff? I gotTA photographic memory. When you come into boxing I just do. I can't help it like sports and different things like that. You know things. I've done pleased with my kids or somebody expert points I had in high school game. I could tell you I'm just weird like that. I can't tell you like you know stupid shit but like we're boxing. Is Sport kind of picture things like that? And y'all can box working seat dot form eight from them and fury started. Wilder eight from any records was real similar. I think I'm GonNa say while there was maybe forty one meal and forming like forty is like eerily similar record in every pay so. I get why then said that but you know y'all I wanNA talk for the man you're going to have to let him put it in in context. I don't WanNa do it for them. I do understand where the comparisons can come from China. Stephen Edward recharge welcome to the show. I'm going another topic on how you doing. Good you said. The boxing ring is a truth machine right now. A lot of fighters are laid off. Because of what's going on and I don't know Kevin Cunningham is opening jim today fact or not. But what will be the approach? Once things start rolling for you just to make sure that you know your safe and you fight is a safe and everyone and your presence is safely. What is the approach now to prepare a fighter? Noah man I I'm this is kind of a political thing but I just don't I think that is really dangerous for like a piece. I like one st to open it up. Open up the country as far as the social distant in quarantine in another state not to like ness unknown. This is from like Jersey or or New York area we from Philly. It's not far. That's not far right. So what if Philly was opening Pennsylvania with OPEN IN JERSEY? Wasn't you're GonNa means that means you can't get the corona. I just think it's ridiculous. It's like having a peeing section in a public swimming pool. So people off locked the Florida. Or whatever I just. I'm not this is nothing against Cunningham at all. I'm just talking about just some places you know. It looks like they're gonNa just open up the Corinthian. I think that's ridiculous. As far as boxing is concerned. I just think that you helping. The is the most important thing right now because none of us know with this stuff is everybody wants to come up with the on conspiracy none of us scientists and the people that are qualified to talk about it they only say with the told me say so we all gotta sit back and just be safe and be smart. I know people that are dying over this. You know what I mean so right. If if if the JIM would've opened up today I wouldn't be here today. You know what I mean. I would give it a little bit of Tom. Maybe a week or two to see what's going on. I gotta come on to my kids. You know people are dying over there. That's not fake news. People are dying. Maybe the statistics are getting blown out. But I know people who've died you know what I mean so You've got to be safe. Started the fighters. It is a truth machine because this is not an excuse not to work out still run. You still shadow box. You can still do push ups. You still do pull up Stephen Calisthenics. You still hit bags. It's a million different things you can do. You can't spar and you shouldn't be in a gym with a whole bunch of people but you could definitely stay in shape if this is a reason to get out of shape then you don't deserve your status as a fighter anyway and you're going to see a whole lot of guys coming and ring on your sheep and make up different kinds of excuses but actually this is the time to get in great shape because the world is really shut down and you can really really work on fine tuning the game and getting your car your home getting stronger and doing a whole bunch thing. Boxing workout doesn't have to be around a Lotta people. You know what I mean. Just fine stained shape run. Every other morning could three four miles in do five hundred push ups and five hundred situps. Do you dips shadowboxing. Get the law reflex boss. A whole bunch of things you could do. You don't have to be in the gym. You can use it as an excuse so we want see. You know who the what and who made the most auditors downtown. Because it's GONNA show around June July. When the five star game schedules again is going to show you know but you gotta be smart and you gotta be saved. Nobody wants to bring this up on one city fan. But you know of the world's not going to shut down forever. Eventually things won't get back to normal and you gotta be able to hit the ground running miss the Edwards that I hate to cut you off but I like I told you I was planning on getting few experts. So we got buddy mcgirt you know. He woke up early out in California forest so I I do WanNa get them on. You're more than welcome to stick around and listen to Buddy mcgirt opinions on the exact same subject on all man. I'm going to go eat breakfast. Tell him tell him. I said hello to man I liked buddy. That's my guy. Also he's listening. We appreciate you. If you can't please give any social media so anyone listening can follow twitter right well. Bradman thank you once again there. You have it ladies and gentlemen world renowned trainer Steven the Bradman Edwards. We're going to go out to buddy mcgirt bodyman. Thank you so much for waking up early in the morning to give us your opinion on today's topic just to bring you up to speed Tyson fury deserves. Muhammad Ali comparisons. According to Ben Davidson's we're accent or his claims way off or the spot on I say. Good Morning The pleasure com being on. And I'm in Florida. Oh Great I gotta I got out of Collie came home. My wife made me come home I'm not even GONNA. I'm not even gonNA respond to that statement so Tyson feerick should be compared to mom can be compared to moment I. Lee. That's what you said. Yeah Yeah So. You can't find any comparisons between Tyson Fury am Mohammed Ali in the ring. I mean in in and out during let me give you another quote. Tyson theory deserves to be compared to Mohammed Ali. Incredible displays in and out of the ring according to former trainer Ben Davidson okay. I'll say this outside. The ring hyper fight. I mean there's only one league so I mean he you can't GonNa pay him now because I was like. Wbal less stationed in New Yorkers wls and class by itself Mohammed. Ali's in a class by itself so for someone to say that I mean you know listen was entitled to their Opinion Tyson. Ferry does not hyper fight. I will give him that no infants buts about it but man. I watched when we were kings yesterday. Nobody does it better than Ali. Utah my when we were kings the aired on on on ESPN with top rank Now this was on I you know I. I really don't know what channel was on. But I just watched it yesterday just flicking through the channels and I gotTa tell you man you know every time the watch and you just like Hollywood just he. He was unbelievable men in and he speaks so much. Shoot facts that it's unbelievable that a lot of people overlooked because of the hype of the fight but being that I've seen when we were kings before I listened to a lot that he said in the show when he was over there talking about being in Africa and this man is deepening. What people really. They don't really understand that you know. He's definitely the go and his own way. I wish that you were onto here. Bradman's Opinion. He he's he's right with you let me tell you but he gave us so much. Facts He said that there's Erie similarities in the time did I lee went on face. George foreman the record of form and similar to wilders form and considered a punch while to consider the puncher Ali considered a boxer Tyson. Fury considered a boxer. Both of them being underdogs. Both of them winning by stoppages. I mean he again. He agrees with you but he brought up some similarities. That I mean that this is why I chose to get on experts because I don't have the expertise to even think about history so I wanted to get your thoughts but it would have good to go for it. Don't get ten years earlier. Who only be for the title. First Time Sunday listed some this was crushing. Everybody only one laws. And that was the Cleveland Williams. Which binged he'd knocked up. Floyd Patterson twice in the first round so a lot of people seem to overlook Sunday. This enlisted was stone. Cold killer man. And then I'll leave. Forget about it. Lee went in there man and I mean that night Ali would beat anybody that night I mean th that he was man unbelievable combinations. You through was unreal. You know he got some Lennon desire to rounded couldn't see he told Dundee because his gloves off Dundee pushed him back out there and he survived came back man and beat the bricks. Sunless didn't ten years later. Boom he beats another killer. George Foreman definitely Mr Barrot. Let me ask you a question Right now as it stands with what he is accomplished in your mind is Tyson fury and all time great heavyweight or are there still things he has to accomplish for you to put them on buddy you. She's the world's great as he's very good. He's good at what he does but to say great no way no how buddy again at Stevens me great. But even so me later he was an underdog versus vladi was an underdog versus wilder. He's an underdog and both guys are wondering okay because you got understand. That doesn't make them great. Make some good but don't make them great. It's not like you know. Vlad was a great heavy a great fighter. Who's good fight you see? I'm an old school guys when you say great to me. I'm looking at like Ray Roberts. That's Great Ali. Those are great fighters saying as a Charles Judge Joe Walker to me. Those are great fighters. There are no great fighters. Today it's good. There's no great fighter today and my is now a lot of people talk about this. A lot of people understand sugar ray Robinson had a ninety five win streak ninety not forty nine not fifty ninety. Who's GonNa top that ever You write this. Alex just want to run this. By right like what? What is it that this era is missing? What what what what flavor what's missing in this keeping these guys from from becoming great? I think the problem is that a lot of people in boxing. Today I want to quote the late. Great Roger Mayweather. Don't know shit about budget people. A lot of people don't know what the hell they're looking at the listen. I've said it before and I say that again. This is the only sport you have a guy that's TRAINA. There's never been in the ring a Dan his life. Football coaches played college. Pro Baseball coaches play professional basketball. Same thing is the only sport a gag order in a gym. Sit around and watch people towel over his shoulder. Learn how to hold the mets and people say he's a trainer. Come on man. It's a joke. I mean you have a lot of good out there today. Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of good fighters with potential to be great but I think a lot of people put these guys on the pedestal too soon. I mean these guys stopped believing they press clippings and and the problem also. Today I believe is people judge fighters by the record. You can't justify recommend I mean listen Emanuel Augustus come on any given night. He's going to beat anybody and he did. Not Have you look at his record? Like Maccabi discussed Sh- may it was unbelievable but a lot of people don't know that why because as Roger Mayweather was saying? They don't know shit about boxing because they don't know what they look at Man Commend. You Augusta's was unbelievable ever watched menu Augustus. Oh yeah man. We Matt Damon I with you buddy. They was knocking them down. Here on panel mandated. None of these guys today at one forty seven one four. They beat them buddy. I'm just go ahead and say you wild right now. What you mean what the hell hold on. Hold on hold on. I know historian but I was around for end manual gusts career absolutely not man like maybe. I don't know maybe when he was undefeated assigned. But there's plenty of Yo kief terming Earl Spencer Bug Crawford. Body Body gets a coffee and you play. I did two cups I worked. I wanted to guys on against Manual Augusta's right and he was doing shit and I was like I couldn't believe a man like what I'm like. Oh my God but he used to get cliff for slain police get clipped for show boating right but I've never seen one count ten oval. Maybe but I've never seen it again. I know made so I've never SEEN NOBODY COUNCIL TIM O. Nine maybe it happened. I don't know but I've never seen it. But he was doing mood but like he was in a nightclub. Beating the shit against that I was I was talking to on. I was like Oh my God. It was a novel. Tell me what I guess. They call the drunken master. Yes I mean he was he was he got me. Let's see you know. He gave Freud trouble. I mean you wanted to fight. The man was living he when he wanted to fight when he wanted to do was unbelievable. Buddy mcgirt that I never got. It never became camping. You know what I mean never came champion. Matter of fact I I heard he got shot. I don't know what happened to him but he just like you know I mean I don't know I mean I had a guy fight them in the garden got firemen to God my guy one but you almost blew the fight because he tried he started trying to showboat like Emmanuel. Doing the fight and got clip became cornish. I know you said you can't do that with this guy. You TRY TO DANCE. The start that yeah. He tried to dance a hit man menu clip. That must he came back to the corner. Came and told you would. He starts to walk away to act like you leaving the ring those Stanford and to do that I was the ninth round. I told my kind of test. Well Hall ask because we already have have to fight one. So let's say do not stand in front of you but listen to me. Brooke you got clipped Lacerra. He's GONNA come out this round. GonNa try to beat you again. Run run like Carl Lewis. And that's what he did and he won the decision in after the fighting manual guts to say like men. I'm not that stupid. Oh my Gosh Dan the show boat you but you clip them. I mean calling it. A Beautiful Uppercut. My Guy gave back to the corner here in the winter. Does Vegas. We were in New York so he got knocked out there. It may look man. Look man no. Don't fall for that man anyhow man. You know backtrack you heavyweight did talk about this and he can fight. I give it to me but I can't I can't compare him to Alino no he. He knows how to hypolite. I'll give him that. You can hyper fight. I give it to but there's only one one one elite man when it comes to hybrid so let me let me throw this question edge right yesterday. Anthony Joshua came out and said his six ideal plan. Let's reverse it and give it to a fury if your rewards to fight in be fights over. Aj which seems obvious next fight. Obviously he's got a rematch deontay wilder because of the contract you got. Jarrell Miller Luis Ortiz. Adam cover NAKAE and Olexandr. Ucla if he beat those six names. Can he be then spoken as an all-time gray and in the same breath four? Wow Okay I got one. I got one question for you. All the guys you just name right all the guys you just think in the sixties and seventies they wouldn't make it into top rated in the top ten didn't cow Nikki. Just get beat by Robert Helenians. Yeah diverse my case but but come on but you he knocked out of Lynnwood who is who knocked him out before he become Was I know I know when the decision with him? Now he got knocked down. I'm all lessons Joe. Watkinson Joe Watson thank you very much okay now but now you WanNa say if listen man again I respect every fight. I respect every man that gets in that ring. 'cause IT takes a lot. Don't get me wrong. I respect anybody man because I know what it's like to be in there but at the same time the same time to when you saying great to me I've always been even when I was fighting sake. Great man it's it's like to me. It's an insult to the pioneers when I got says guys great. I'm looking at Roberto Duran. Marvin Hagler Sugar Ray Leonard. Those to me those are great fighters but I mean these guys say they could get so. Who's great in this era and great fighters in our era? In your opinion. I put it like this. There's guys with potential to be great fighters as a lot of what makes a great fighter. Or what do we need to look for to say that a guy is great? What do you look for to say guys? Great I look for all you know separate simple things. But when he's in a fight in these in and he's gotTa make changes you know know you gotTa. How does he deal with adversity? Get knocked down. You cut you gotta figure out a way. Not Hi I'M GONNA I'M GONNA turn the time here. I'm KIEF German buddy. You describe incisive. Fury seven inch Gash overs. His head while in found a way to not get up lead known. Listen now. These guys were fighting. Great Fighters Leonard Roberto Duran Sugary. Let it Marvin Hagler. She raped found the way. I gotTa do this now. Sugar Ray Leonard Tommy Hers Perfect Example. The boxer term puncher and the punch turned boxer. That's what great fight is. Do they both sugar ray become aggressive tummy hurts has become the boxer and was doing well but ray found a way to get him about it. Now okay types. We got knocked down by wilder to me. He was willing to hold pike. I've thought he won the fight he got knocked out. He got up survived. Okay but how many fighters have done that. A hell of a whole lot of five is not gonNa make versus not versus the Onta- wild or wildest power. Stop it don't know by get up and do your redid. No one. No one's Dr Okay. Okay okay okay. I'm GonNa give you an example. Now Ron Lyle and George Foreman gives you that of course now. That's why I brought you on. I'm not a historian. Okay okay go. Look at run allowed. George Foreman these guys. This two of the biggest punches at this time boxing in the heavyweight division formulas down two or three times allows down two or three times from bombs. George Foreman found a way to get him about it. Wasn't it wasn't pretty but found a way to me. So when when you know he beat he got up from the knockdown? All right got hurt. Came back when the fake. That'll make them great they. Can you got not GonNa buy Big Punch you got up? You came back one. Okay so I mean happens you know I mean okay. He got knocked down while. How many guys? Earnie shavers knocked. Now got up and beat shavers so you know I mean because the Guy Got Punch. Don't make them great. I mean I'm GonNa tell you another fight you go. Look at look at Archie Moore Yvonne Guerrero. The first two wells aren't don't like several times. That fight should have been stopped. That's what I'm saying about that generation. Yeah had crazy as rules. Little baby gloves you know. There's a Lotta Mafia and cheating like seven times. Come on that's a lot now. Let's go backwards though this dude did you talk about took form in the hell and back. What's he done again? I'm not a historian. So I know it sounds like sarcasm. I'm trying to be educated. What's what's his big Rondo for. Just about a matter of fact he fought. League winning biggest. Win Buddy what's his biggest win. Poet biggest. Couldn't tell you for everybody back in the sixty to seventy I couldn't I ain't gonNA lot of you. I'm not going to love demarcus. Corley for everybody gotta be more than just that. You GotTa do more than just fight. You GotTa Win Right. There's a whole lot to it's a whole lot. You're right you're one hundred fifty percent right. There's a whole lot to it but my thing is if a guy comes back and from a knockdown wins. 'cause I make great no but now my question is who did you fight. Just like me who to run out. Fight his biggest win. I couldn't tell you the biggest. We're not going to lie to you. I but see his for his metaphor to Latin aerial at least Victoria tease. Who everybody should song right? He went down three times versus. May Donna Donna went down three times and came back to win but victim has been in with everybody and what's his biggest win so it's the same different generation true. I agree with that. But there's only one problem. I've seen victims tease quitting fights but he gave you Brown. Allow a scene run allowed. George Foreman I mean I'm sorry wrong loud in there in the shavers day fought till they had no less breathily did collapse. They went out on the issue. It is stopping the corner so I quit all my hand. Hurt majority broke. No they will update and they fought until the referee counted the twenty. I'm not saying they're great fighters. You Mean Ron. Lyle Ernie Shavers right but he the chat saying this chat saying Lyle Shavers. I'm saying Ron Lyle. I'm saying Ron Allow George Foreman. Okay yes that was. No no no it was they. Were trying to you buddy. They were trying to give you. His biggest win is Ernie. Savers is what they're saying. Okay no no miss it and medicine. I'm not like this back in that era. Every heavyweight was good. A lot of them become champion. Why I give you two names. Joe Frazier Muhammad Ali. Joe Frazier fights. Veena VEENA got Joe frigid down twice in one round one knockdown. He wins the fight by knockout in that same room. You know they had a three knockdown ruling that fight with Joe Frazier. Bundling your fridge. Went down twice survived around came back. Beat him beat a mini boom Banovina WanNA toughest have without the fights. Ali Ali chose him as his second fight back after three nappy. Lil eilly knocks him out in the last round. Three knockdown rule then he goes and fights frazier so there was so many good heavyweights in that air. And I'm GonNa give me an example. There's a guy named Charley Burley out of Pittsburgh they say. Charley Burley was one of the greatest fighters ever and he never ever wants. GotTa titlefight why. It's so Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Charlie Brady get. Nobody wanted to fight him. Nobody wanted to fight him. That's just how good he was. Man Made was unbelievable because eight once. I guess my granddaughter. Calling me everybody. You saw good. We'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD. And then they get to some live callers. If that's okay we do appreciate your time though right. Well there you have it ladies and Gentlemen World Renowned Trainer Buddy. Mcgirt buddy once again. Thank you for your time as always we do appreciate it man. Did we get a history lesson? I know a lot of people are like. Oh you know. Ignorant look man. Look I just love my generation but I looked up Charlie bird. It looks like Charlie barely walk. Got To win over Archie Moore heavyweight division. So you know Look man it was. This was like the best idea. All this was spontaneous. None of these guys got a warning. You know the day before or anything like that. This was all seven in the morning. Texan people because I was like. How do we truly bring the best to this topic because you know I'm biased? I love my generation. It's the history that I know some. I'm you know I'm telling you. I'm ignorant picking my generation but I to get some some some guys on the give us some true information immense far hood shoutout to him St Falsehood Sat out to The Bradman Stephen Edwards and and a big thank you to Buddy mcgirt all partake in and giving us an expert opinion For All their years in this sport man but Yemen. Those are really my final thoughts. We will open up. The phone lines. Wants macos give their final thoughts remember. Remember the number to call in one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline don't forget Deli show-tv users hit up next to gibbs on skype Yemen. What did you guys think? I thought it was a history lesson you know. The comparison of records and Opponent styles from the Bradman Edwards but I still stick with it that into ring. He does have similarities. I didn't know the those references of fights matching matchmaking. But outside of the ring now he can't be compared his mental illness is one thing and that's cool. He overcame obesity. Plus and all that that can't be compared to Ali's Efforts outside of the ring his efforts and celebrity us to he'll also So yeah those are my final thoughts man buddy mcgirt. He's funny he he made. He made me laugh a couple of times. You can follow him at Buddy mcgirt boxing on instagram. By the way he loves diktat so you know I ready follow him. Check him out him and his family have been doing so many tight videos and they post them on the instagram during this. Cova time but yeah just a vast knowledge man. We're going to start taking advantage of our. You know obviously in a good way of our ROLODEX trainers and start getting them on these daily topics just to bring a little more histon right. You know John. That ain't that Bradman Edwards brought to me was like Yo putting those miles everyday man on every other day to the Cata statics while you home. Now I'm fine. Yes because you could come up with dog outside running dog. Oh I hear you listen. I mean I ain't got no fight. Bourbon fat camp when you get a fight. Yo- did that's how I'm feeling right now. Told you yamile Israel cut a deal. I'm getting I'm getting the three boxes of cereal sent over here from Oklahoma. But like I ready to work out so I eat my raisin bran but listen. I get that fiber in you but we're good. It was good to see all angles from three different perspectives from guest. I'M GONNA go ahead and say like my man. Edwards came through with some with some knowledge. He came in Ariz- I just can't I bet you own exactly? I bet you put a lot of people that was gonNA come on. I may disrespect with their energy. Because Yo- The ages of you know of the Times that he fought the punches underdog. Every I mean like Axa looker. How whole upto. Who he was saying the fighters he fought weren't great. Yeah that's like I mean. But that's that's the heart the heart the past US compared to the heart in the past no way shape or form. Listen in no way shape or form in no way shape or form. Am I gonNA pretend to know as much about the sport is buddy mcgirt but he said every heavyweight was better back then like. I don't know that he not not only that. He counted out a heavyweight simply because he's been knocked out and then it was like. Yo Adversity When I tried to question that he's I will tell me we got knocked down. I'm like Yo Joe Watson. I rest my case and it's like damn so so whatever had are now one fighter on that list to hear what I'm saying is but whatever happened to that alleged Synonymous statement in the heavyweight division. Specifically One punch changes everything you know. A heavyweight is different from other ways because one punch changes every yoke of knock. He got caught. That don't mean his career is over. I don't mean he's a bum. I don't think so. He still needs to fight three four five more times to indicate to finish writing his story. But but I I gotta I gotta I got you know I was just saying but at the same time finishing my point going back to buddies I got a buddy saying too because even though Edwards kept it in the ring he didn't talk about. Oh what's going on too much about? Comparison greatness on outside of the ring so. I was kind of intrigued by that because you know Alisa figures it polarized out of the ring. But if you kept it in Ring Buddy mcgirt. Touma has some good points. Look Man Eighties nineties heavyweights. They grew up around the time I came out. Fill me. I mean if y'all all out of speculation dough to say that those guys were tougher than these guys. What is seen as him acts four for us to show him a fighter that was able to do those things and he was describing. Tyson theories. Oh I would I would do I look for. I look for guys that could get down from knock down and get back up suffering adversity and overcome like well Tyson. Fury got from most devastating punches in history. Just because Tyson fury knocked while. Are we going to forget that the world was calling him one of the greatest punches in history? One of the biggest punchers of all time. Now all of a sudden. He's not so. So if while the knockdown fury and fury could get up from that adversity how was great like the fighters before him while not considered a great puncher. Like I'm still picking wilder to knock out Joseph Parker to knock out deal you why like. Aj none of that Shit. Don't change the me. Unless while the continues to show the similar pattern in these last two fights then we can start having that discussion but to to think that wildest done is crazy so I think the fury show he could get from adversity. I think we showed. He could change up his style. He acts that was another thing he was like. Oh you got to be great. You gotta be you gotTa Win doing what you're not known to do. So it was like bright. He did day. He's not known to be a box. A A knockout artist. He knocked somewhat out. He's known to be a puncher. Has Rebuttal was against mediocre fighters? Yoka because he suffered his first loss. It's just yet. No I get your point I he's coming. He's coming from a different perspective. You understand here. Coach and during those times fighters was fighting a lot more often. They do now. I see I see a lot of tip toeing nowadays. You know what it was about heart. His thing was who have more heart and fight his heart. That for other fighters will heart. That's why he mentioned fallen down seven times here but listen to me. I showed you heart see people get people grab onto Ortiz. Because he was the one that ensure but may donald showed you heart. Our generation demonstrates the same characteristics to say they don't exist it's like oh that error doesn't exist. No Maidana Ortiz showed nest. The gibbs greatness three two men. They went down three times of peace. One went on the be great from that. He went on to keep doing great things. Adrian Bruna again in another underdog story and then go on to great fights according to Buddy. Oh he never won big fights but he gave them hell did make Donna. You know what I mean like. I don't get it. I can hardly for my generation again. I don't know nothing about history. That's why I'm going to be passionate about my generation. Well real quick. You're probably thinking to yourself. Whoa I need to get in on this conversation but wait a minute. This happened a week later. 'cause you listen a week late all you gotta do all you gotTa do to get part of this conversation and go to Patriot. Dot Com forward slash. The boxing voice dot com. We provide for sports. We provide daily shows Twice daily on Mondays Tuesdays and Thursdays and We're going to continue to provide these types of shows every morning along with our flagship shows Thursdays and Sundays but you can go to patriots dot com to support and to get an archive of gist. Everything everything boxing from border wars to just everything so go ahead and rick. I'm sorry to cut you off now. I'm just saying again. You know on when we first opened up Dumi was like Yo these dudes for long around. He was comparing Mohammed Ali. And that's where a buddy mcgirt is coming from like what you had to go through. But nowadays greatness still exists as just safety allow those fighters are broke and mentally Yay. They got tons of body. Everyone you know I soon as he said adversity and change up keep term and taking that mouthpiece out to get more Aaron and not not to take point. That's best showing you characteristic of fucking animal but instead people look at that as weakness they don't know because they never been in a real fucking fight man. They punched in the face. And if they do they're gonNA take the knee with. This man is able to use another attribute. Not Every fighter has legs. Floyd got legs are Lee. Had Legs Tyson. Fury got legs when you got legs even called for Godless when you got legs you gotta different tooling Youtube Belt Man. Ba- look look I guess I generation Ingraham my man said Mommy said Tamar no no. That's the clip. Jemmy that's the Clinton that's the Momma said Emanuel the drunken master Augusta's beets every welterweight today. He said no welterweight today could beat them. That's the GLIB JAMMING VOLUME. Please lease moxie please. Boxing God's help that clip go viral. So Crawford can't beat Emanuel Gusted Keith. Ortiz I'm a man who got nine losses by the way I mean. Look I guess. I don't know shit about boxing. Roger Mayweather piece. You know what I'm saying because I seen a lotta gusts displays I ain't got. We talked about greatness in Arizona and nobody mentioned the floyd during that conversation. Like you'll floyd was the fucking saying sticking to the script and also I mean look we needed give floyd arrest. There's other and that's what I'm trying to say this other people than just Ali influence like how was it? The only two and I get it once in a lifetime. Generates I thought she was going to shoot? Annella for real nece. I'm waiting for him to stay on and I can. They'll be in there. I was thinking it goes. It goes back to this whole thing where we talk about. Oh what is a loss me? Oh alasha demeanor defying a career. But now we're in the situation where it's like. Our entire generation is defined by a single loss. Like oh WHO's great? Oh Andre Berto all remember that. Samih laws like Oh yeah. Well who else is great rod on their water loss. It's like come on it is I. Don't I don't like that and I can't believe that he was like well then he just getting knocked out. I'm like WHOA. What's the heavyweight division? Like if you tell me well the earl just get knocked out with. It's totally different. Welterweight getting knocked out. You know what I mean at that level. And that's what I'm saying. How can you not consider Tyson fury as a great? If at the top of the top when when Earl went in there with Mike and get a knockout. We thought he was did. He went in there with the top of his division. One of the top. He's still ain't GonNa not telling me. Tyson fury who we called pillow fees goes in with the baddest man on the planet guests Anoc County perceived great or or. It's disrespectful to think of him as great as fucking crazy to me but I get it. I don't know shit about boxing. Roger Mayweather shut out the you rest in peace. Let's go out to the callers. One four to five five six nine fifty to forty one. If you're on the line press one one time me Sean. Good don't do nothing everybody else. If you have impressed one we cannot get to you. Obviously I will patriot. Daily show uses. Hit US up on skype by adding. Nestor gives going out to the sponsors. And then we're going to go to these callers skated on the students shouted Mills Lane. That's his his little phrase rest in peace mills land to. Let's get it on. Remember to write his five stars on. I tunes these calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services experts and electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation visit us at El Camino electrical services dot com. Don't forget we got entitled Tonight Today. At seven o'clock eastern. We're going to run back to King's King. You set out the girl scout cookie first of all top of the motherfucking morning. Excuse me top of the Morn Fella Simoni. Good Morning Gene. Listen this conversation right is like you is hard to compare errors. You know NASA PHIL. You gotTA stand up for generations but sometimes the history impact that like if you look at it like this is mark view some of the fighters nowadays given the circumstances. And you can't like old hat but they'll never reach that level of greatness. Nobody's going to have a hundred and ten fights again so we can't measure these cats by ninety you know we wouldn't have defeated ninety five to the twenty count and a fifteen round fight if it's not happening again we can't county you know what I'm saying so with that said It was Kinda like a slight when he was like. Yeah you know You know who he lost a WHO and I get it because we do that. Tom Gerald Washington just to Charles Martin. We're not standing. These guys are are great but this is who's fighting this is who's fighting now with AIDS so you can't say these guys is not trash. You can't dismiss wilder. You can't even dismiss through like I say you can't dismiss Charles Martin. Because he had a belt and he lost to to to. Joshua so You know the real topic as far as fury in Mohammed Ali. Though that that right did you can't even be touched like it does. The only comparison is like you know to to be kind of. I don't know man. I like the comparison at all that. That's when I get to my old mash it and I ain't that old but no us no way you can compare them it on a social level. No he's still not even the same like like like like human rights stomack Colorado. I mean thanks for calling in New Jersey stumbling blocks in Colorado talk to us. What a what a what a mine. Happy Twenty mine as right. These Johnson stake may clean up man. We got the small but two hours for sixty dollars. A man blue dream small bus. Get Two hundred sixty. Enjoy your four. Twenty seven grounds for seventy dollars in wax is going crazy. I hereby but Listen I love buddy but I agree with him about. We talk about the best of all of the current times. But it's sometimes it's hard for me to compare those old generations. Mike Tyson fought seventeen times in one year. He fought five blockbuster. Managers five cab. Drivers was five other industries that disappeared in the eighties. Grocery store baggers that turned into teenagers. I mean monthly. Remember blockbuster we used to go rent movies and DVD's that yeah. I mean remember shutdown. Webuye ninety in a in a in a totally in early two thousands. They closed all the way now. But you used to go to blockbuster if you find seventeen people in one year come on. He only fall two boxers. Five cab drivers five blockbusters and any five news at a gym that donkey and walked in there. Say You WANNA find come on. We acting like they was all fighting. Elite professional athletes at the time is different when you find guys and boxing twenty four seven. They're professional athletes real boxers. Oh baseball players and stuff like that used to be drunk in a month clubhouse day would go there will be drunk during training camp so think of God being drunk and trying to camp can fight a guy who's taking his this stuff serious as a lifestyle. Just imagine that used to fly though with the commission's man is so much is so there was a man is so much tighter right now because of all the bloggers at all the fights like you can't hide from cameras now. It's it's not just boxing. It's society as a whole. You GotTa be careful what you do and say because everything is being recorded in one way or another so I I I agree man. Listen Mike Mike Tyson. My favorite boxer and I never knew shut out the stone for that Little Perla Wisdom. He fought seventeen times in in in one year. He said Yeah. But let's say he so crazy. If you gotta promoter this back and you you could put a show on every month. And if you've got a promoter this back and you can do a show every two months because commissions nowadays. I don't know about back then. But nowadays after two weeks you cleared to fight again as long as you ain't get knocked out so he was doing a knock it out. My man was not going to do that. In Ninety one seconds. You know what I mean. Look if you got promoted you could build anyone. You could build anyone in Baghdad. Who had the television deals Don King? Who had the money Don King? You know I'll tell you it's as simple as a promise you in twenty years two names. That might surprise you. That are going to be on that all time. Great Lists Wladimir Klitschko and Tyson fury. Now I'm not saying it's like a guarantee right now for for fury at all that that comment is based on what I think he will do. Moving forward I wouldn't put him on that list right now but I. I promise you like it's going to get the respect that it deserves. Our era is there realis- is there an all time? Great lists somebody got that. I mean it's not like I'm sure there's Bob I mean you could just click on youtube and good luck. You'll be surfing the web for for days but I'm just saying like you know. Everybody has their kind of like name that they throw out that belongs on that list. I mean from a credible publication lists the way that the ring got a pound for pound. And I'll I feel failure. They gotta have a number lines man. We keep dragging shit out. Let's get everybody else's thoughts once again just to help everyone out. We are discussing whether or not Tyson. Fury deserves Muhammad. Ali Like comparisons his trainer former trainer. Ben Davidson's claims are did he does. So we're asking you. Is He way off pours? He spot on Tyson fury deserves to be compared to Muhammad Ali for his incredible displays in and out of the ring according to former trainer. Ben Davidson are you ready? We went the sponsors already because we went to spawn ball storm. I sit in Orlando. Talk to us. Going once to ABS- right now because they do me took Biki thaw doesn't intrigue in Atlanta. Okay Boomerang Cayote in the UK. Why why you always anti booze. Other words Yell Ness units respect on my name. No intrigues a boomerang to champion but listen yeah I was GONNA say I think not for you to determine an autumn great. There's two questions that you need to answer so the first question is who you beat. The second question really is. Who Haven't you be so with the first question of you see Fury beat wilder and beat lab. So he's in that in that conversation the second question which is who haven't you be talking. About how many fighters I did that. You still have to beat and few still has a lot to prove in that question. I guess lessons shouldn't determine lessons shouldn't determine a fighter station but when you lose you have to you have to. We have to correct that. No that's that's the way to do it. And so when you have a question of who you beat and then when you have a question of well down other fighters that you have been so there's no one else left could be a nasty thing. Why would I need everyone? That was top in his era. You Know Sugar Ray Robinson. He beat all the fighters any Sarah. And that's what makes this guy is great and fury still has a LO- fighters to be enough for him to be considered the great. So yeah so. That's my that's my. That's my thought you can't call through your great even of the rink. Nothing those two I especially in the ring. There's so many so cute to see you still protecting. Aj you desperately desperately ice cool and of course it does Listen listen listen first of all so I could give you more time by debate in which you or I could talk and just cut you and everybody owning his me up to you. You know what I'm saying because your little phrases. Oh who have you be? Who Haven't you be so I'm not GonNa make it about Aj. I know I know that's what you're making it about. So my thing is like Edwards told us. Fury was the underdog in Vlad fight out. Classroom fears the underdog in well defined knocked them out. Fury will not be the underdog. He's not the underdog this betting lines ready right now available for. Aj like it's over. His tough fights are gone. We don't see anyone that can beat fury right now if it's not wild and knocking them out it's not gonNA be robotic. Aj got it to protect them. But usually if you WANNA debate that since I tried to give you an opportunity little bum. Yeah I know that's where he was gone. I go yeah. He hasn't fought. Come on Bro. Like Ruis dropped. Aj's clout like we don't need. Aj they only making it a big fight because he's from the UK and it's like. Oh when's the next Two British guys are GonNa have all the bells but no one saying. Ask tough fight. I don't know I think it's pretty much over for for fury of if wilder can get it done. I don't know who's the guy who's that guy that we expect to beat fury. Anybody got a got an opinion on that if wild can get it done any any panelists any panelists WANNA try. No if what if while the can't get it done if he hit the knock out who stops fury who take who throws them. I think I don't think that I will give Andy Ruiz a chance. We could give any of these top guys a chance but I mean like really really really we. We go have to leave it. I'M GONNA leave it to the to the young up and coming guys that that are probably present more power and more and more angles. I mean the equalizer bass all. He had stick around that long though desk earlier. If people can say would you pick against fury nobody exactly but also the fact that people are saying? Well he while Brian so he ain't not people I would elect so he fucking Sin Fury Tamaz with the left foot like his level. Then just have a right hand people calling calling it. The single greatest punch. It wasn't just a right hand there. There are people calling it. The single greatest punch in the history of little. And that's that's that's crazy to me. You know what I mean that you lose to the best it's like going to the fucking NBA Championships. And then everybody calls the losing team of bum. Because they didn't get the fuck and title though the Cup or whatever the hell the I mean I get that but I think that a lot of people are not just hate and I think a lot of people are just in a sense disappointed like you knocked everybody out cool. We never really put. You never really got put in a position where we needed to see some mouse and you got put in that position that we didn't see no so it's like we'll send you had the punching in power all along and they leave. I only need and now keep in mind and came out. He came out and said there's stuff that we don't know that will be later revealed so I don't know if it sells the third fight in you know where While the fans like myself believe that this fight could be different because something quote unquote was up and it'll be relieved revealed in the Labor Day. 'cause listen while during. Aj have a lot of similarities. Like I I was thinking of doing separate show on the similarities that they have after the fight you know ages recently came out and said the same thing wilder said that once I lost. I seen that everybody was against me that people that I thought was on my side was on my side. Aj and while the same shit you know once they cut the grass the other one say keep it low. You know so. It's like they have a lot of similarities. Gene Wilder now comes out on. Podcast says Yo. I can't tell you what happened but something happened. I'm not gonNA say now but it'll come out in the future. Aj said that immediately like you'll listen all respect to andy he won but I wasn't myself and one day outsell people then when he won his side of this age. As you said let us know he was like I will I will. I'll reveal. Reveal the later so again a lot of similarities when they they first will where we get this point in their memoirs age age is brought it up in the Chris Mannix podcast which just sound like like stock a stock answer because we also heard ten pharmacy. Exactly seven four. I said it's like start wrong. Phrase aided is no is no is no surprise. That fight is going helmets they going. They're not one hundred percent but at the end of the day. Where if it goes in there. You've seen it plenty of times. He wins he talks about it. A little bit is nothing like but you lost. You know what I'm saying so it's like it looks like an excuse if you one and then you talk about an injury is okay but if you lose it just adds more that that distaste. You know what I'm saying. You a sore. Loser was a ready source. That's why you know. Chance and people at these high level fights are even with Andy started wiling on the mic after he lost like like champ. You giving all this information. Don't nobody cares. Nobody wants to hear about you. Know what I'm saying. And though at that point when you lose your that's another thing too like they do this in the UFC like they'll start interviewing fighters right after crazy ass whooping and it's like you ain't all their film you. All this blood pumping Adrenalin. God knows all these dopamine go flying and Stephen Edwards said it best you know to fight on an elite level. A lot goes to your body you know to get punched in the face and just stay there and punch back and respond and be patient and your legs and all that other shit and respecting the man that the ring is the truth machine. You know you've got accept it. Man You respect the winner as well as the loser for showing up and trying to win so the end of the day. It's a fight and fighting. Words are going to be said and your loss is just a loss. You gotTA accept it. I could see that distractions can make you lose back to call work gone tonight Roy. Love Snow Work. Just LISTEN ALRIGHT. Chat all right. Let me get to New Orleans. You come to make average really for ship. Hey Robin TV talk like the way I want to talk to you. Talk Station Jay teague on and just listening once to what was going on. Good Morning I was. I heard to show her but girdle those who has taught what else was talking about. Tyson fury if he deserves to be compared to Mohammed Ali. Or really saying that's a big jump. May I don't think I never use gloves to cheat? Needs to know is what it is maybe to why people he might be look like a to Mohammed Ali. But I'm not being racist so don't take it throw away now but now you don't deserve the bill athey fighter me as a person in the ring all outside the ring. It's alright all right all right all right. Let's get out to his brother. You know what these bitches is. In the sport. Total disrespect adult dog. Smartest thing if you do stay away. I'm telling this one hundred thousand job you got some background on and I felt better. No sound like you in a Rice. Krispy bull bag lou cocaine you yes sir go away. Better look I'M GONNA just go use both of them back to bag I definitely had a strong opinion before. processions changed a lot more open so it was to the triangle of perspective but it will Butterbur Gert. He seemed like just wondering old school guys. Kind of stuck on how he was up brought up going like. I heard him a few times. Critique Tree is oh you got training and other box getting ring so he kind of liked stuck on his Just the way he sees. So it's Kinda hard to get credit or give credit The other Guy Jay rock tree Jira training yes stephen was. He opened up Meese received a lot more for US bringing out the The batteries for the comparison stuff before his my perception would are perceived. I don't think tank. So that's hyping comes. That's why we always talk. Call them degree. Wipe someone similar to what happened to go off in Goal and now Tyson Fury. They WanNa just give him that title just because white so they could take out A. I don't give that's true but I don't think he's as great as Muhammad Ali now when we're talking about when he retired what he doesn't and we look at his body of work. We may come back and visit his topic. does on top Yup Forest to answer Cash CASUAL QUESTION. Buddy mcgirt guard. Saber was the best I heard you try to slide the end when he said Net stews beat Drunken Monkey But he already said but was I mean does stone what he feels put out there. That's my come join cadets. There I guess when he said no one in the world's division could be a manual gases which was insane to me but Emmanuel Gusta says definitely on the map offers greatness. You know what I mean. Now listen we didn't live that era so I get them different to see numbers on box wreck and watching the Dune in the ring I get him get him like I wish I could have. I got to see a lot of his fights in the end so it don't count. I get them. I just wish I could've seen him in his greatness. But we got callers. Sharma and talk to US amateur. What's going on over here by me and save on importance. Sir But I got I got this. It's like a painter of Kobe. Bryant Michael Jordan. People always say if you wanted to St Michael Jordan. I'm twenty three. I never seen the door employees so people can if you want Michael Playing. Watch Kobe Bryant. I'm not the parents series lead for. They say if you wanted he. I leave fight. A moves in the rain is charisma and personality. What heightened fears so Netflix? I get it the pairs in on. You never got a chance to watch. Muhammad Ali fight danced around the ring. They may be dancing. My Ali leaking of throughout his name on crazies. Ao The charisma and the ring. Deaf compare to fight it and that's why I don't but I never got to feel I leave. I watched by showing. That's why I don't like the ultimate Atlanta all right. I just want to know so when when you call in so you amateur Atlanta right. How many rights? Yeah nine fight losses freeway right now. Yeah I got you you. We were talking on. Dm Yeah. I think the fight. I'm rick laws interviews setup tomorrow freeway promotions me and request and a couple of other fighters. I chant. Man will bless his man. Good luck on hope. Everything works out for you on that. And then every other endeavor and you know we're going out to Steve. Let me see him actually. We got some boomerangs apologies apologies. We got Trae IN THE BAY would up ship. Shot Figaro boy say he he Muhammad Ali and an out. Doing what is done outside. Parable I wait. I mean well. He used his where he brought. Up was the mental illness. In the thousands of people that he's in Hawaii and the overcoming obesity too. You know that's that's correct. So that equates fight racism no he never he never equated it he said he said Tyson's Chicago Paris. Muhammed La Mohammed. Ali Out. Why he's why he just can't be charged with theory. Why he wa. He just gave me great. If you pay the fee the same that we compared Evanson Floyd and Devin compares himself to flu but desert was trained in the can't well I mean like there's a big difference in that to me and then you got home. I just hate this shit right. I mean you know there's going to be Malcolm X. Man I mean just be yourself homey I I I think they just make us lawyers man just trying to keep his name out the What they should give me hot talk Mohammed Ali and altering wrong. Oh Shit we're losers license because you don't want to go war I mean you know it's you know. He said he lived in Arabia. Segregated style. You know I just you know today today today. Call HIM REVERSE RACISM FOR BEING MUSLIM. And he's racist 'cause he he probably why and all that a wind shift authorship alley minute. They're bullshit. I actually let you burn both your clothes because you obviously were passionate about the topic. I will reiterate the Ben Davidson did say that he knew this was not going to be received well by everyone. Obviously you know comparing Lee Icing and the obvious differences. You know is gonNa make it very difficult for people to Digest because of what Muhammed Ali stood for in the African American and minority community? So I get it I get it but I guess he did too because you know he preference day said that every time. I think he knew the backlash she was going to get. He he just tried to cushion it saying it was inevitable that he was going to get these backlash among like. I said it again you can. You can do certain things to try to emulate Muhammad Ali in the ring cool. You're great boxer cool but like Muhammad Ali's persona is is is really where his greatness will be remembered by. Even those who didn't know boxing was what he did out of the ring. I it's always gonna be that and the advert I gotTA agree with. My man is the is the adversities were so different. Like even though I get it you know depression you coming back from being fat and all. That is a great story. But it's just no comparison at all I do. I'm a pet peeve. I have a pet peeve when people answer that question no offense nobody who does it. But we'll Tyson. Fury be remembered by boxers. Ten of boxing fanatics hardcore ten twenty years from now. Yes will your neighbor ten twenty years from now know who Mohammed Ali is and no who Tyson fury is yes? Muhammed Ali. No Tyson. Fury doesn't agree outside of boxing You might as Mike Tyson did as Alibaba and what I'm saying. I say Muhammad Ali who. She doesn't even watch boxing. She's my oh I know my mom me and I'm like you compare him to Tyson fury who's that well we'll see we'll see far said it best. I mean first of all. Boxing was much more popular back. Then and say all the polarizing issues that the dealt with we're starting. We're still learning today. How important what? Muhammad Ali did and an accomplished was back then like every day that goes by every month every year every John Rates there goes by Hamad Ali. His his his contributions to the moon. Men are are are just important every every year and they get more valuable so they do get valuable. Muhammad Ali finished his Career and got recognized outside of the Ring Justice and jobs His life may he rest in peace and made him A legendary figure an african-american community back to the callers. Ladies and gentlemen we going onto Steve Chicago talk to us. Yeah what's up? Good Morning? Good Morning Steve. Yeah I don't even want to entertain this conversation because there's so many negative things you could say about fury. I Dunno if we wanted to get into that. They say is one of the other callers. When he was comparing the generation of fighters. I do agree with what he says. Power as the training and the Diet and you have a much better athletes to date and you did way back then but the only thing is this generation. You're going to have the stigma of the. Pd's okay so we all know who's doing these PD's the testing is all bullshit. Most of it's crap. You don't know who's doing test and how they're doing the testing. There's no you know you kind of saying like this generation royal and always will have the stigma of these. Pd's but to say that the athlete is a better advocate because of the strength ambition. They do and the Diet. They do this kind of times. He was saying you know Maybe Party. Drunk and stuff like that you know so. I agree with that that the athlete is a better athlete today. If he's talked with the athlete off you know thirty forty years ago but the only speak with these. Pd's and that's all. I got stay. Thanks for calling in. We're going out to Geddy Harlem. What up at work. Yeah Yeah Man. I live in August brothers. Good morning how are you so fast? You Ain't good morning less. Bless your You know I'm a mobile Schiller. Real confident man. I'm glad you heard what you got to hear. I'm glad you you know you see why aaliyah's degraded and And I I really Pretty much it man you we we. We just can't make comparisons to Ali. Demand is not a not necessary. You know like tracer allow Tyson favor to have his own legacy which he's building He still working on a he. Still gotTa get past while you know so Again we know why Ali degraded due to your all right Iran. All right so we got At Jemaine New Jersey all. I think it's difficult to compare Tom. Man is truly is I will say this Tyson. Furry there's no way Hollywood ever not fight Ortiz. There's no way he would be a right. Not Fight dealing away they would. There's no way he would be in this ever and not fight all those guys like the middle of the road and that time for the best of the best so you got to see who was actually the middle of the road and who was actually the best of the best like you. Just don't know ever I and some of it is politics with you would never have all these I'm not fighting Ortiz. Even like get the fuck outta here Bro. Night let's cut the bullshit. There's no way he could still but Ali outside ring door with the nascent Islam Malcolm X. And all that Dum Dum yesterday. You said some wild shit about South Africa I am a stolen in about black coach on black banks There's no way anybody will look at made of in this country if they came back with guns and say. Yo they want they win and call them races so you have white people in South Africa apartheid happened. My door children would bother murder and killed industries so black buck land back in South Africa. Who gives a fuck and fuck rates going on? Stop the Boston. Don't don't compare like don't ever talk about that. You really don't know plus champ let me just add two cents to two quick. 'cause I ray Suarez very delicate So you so the people that are suffering the white people that are suffering now. They're paying for their ancestors. Since is it okay. Still for that oppression to be upon them. Domini Domini apartheid wasn't wasn't four hundred years ago only to land six hundred years ago. That's not what people live. Who children were murdered in the streets doing that. Like what are we saying? What are you sell? It don't mean what's we'll talk off off air buddies we can. We can kick bye-bye pick my poison. This this is where they sold the land. I'm glad I go me. That's why I'm I understand why you call it. You can put racing black people together just doesn't match up. There's a reason why Haiti Do me that. They're still going through health when they fought for their freedom because right white racism extensive breach across all continents right now those they can put sanctions on the whole country and not have them get what they deserve. They can fight everybody else can fight for their freedom for black people do it as a fucking issue. We're not gonNa let you eat. We're not GONNA starve you out like come on. W. Racism is a totally different Moscow at amount jemaine burnt this boomerang and we're going to brandon in Cincinnati. Talk to us. Going on Fellas may was going to end his college students day through it. The righteousness it. What the topic was very big. Compared I could see some comparisons inside of the ring. You know the footwork way looks the way those two you could tell. He's you know been emulating Gardellin and learn from Ali style. And if you say inside the rain you can see some comparisons between the two. I don't see a problem with that. I see to No different from when you watch covy play you see comparisons to Jordan. I don't mean he's good as Jordan or he's better than Jordan than me emulated his style from Jordan Style and Do see the inside of the ring. Comparisons Dolly L. Saturday rain. Hell no I mean everything. Tyson fury went through the self inflicted. No Coke binges getting fed you know fuck with the hookers and all that shit depression next year with self-afflicted Ali. Louis had to fire from his wife for his freedom numbers. You know not willingly being taken away every skipping it away from me he is but the freedom was on the line of future online life on So outside of the Ring Tyson. Fury went through shit like that. So you can convert to us that rain man Omeday I don't get you when you try to occur to this generation of players in general especially to pass. I don't think there's no comparison I don't think the generation or heavyweights can't compete. When you got guys like David tour a I could be a Bucci number type of cats never went entitled you get guys like Dominate. Brazil bucking bromance d'Hiver dim guys have been title contenders in heavyweight champions. Minimum Funds. One lasts a second and a Alisa Integration or Mike Tyson early nineties late eighties generation. Guys like Count Nike Fest. Lafi bums come on man. There's no comparison between the generations. I just don't think you know your history. I get to do like I. I just appreciate living in Esau you know. I'm not saying that you ain't right. I'm not saying that your second tier heavyweights wouldn't be This generation second tier heavyweights. I'm just enjoying my generation man. I saw We got a counterpunch from trae in bay. I'm your advocate. I'm waiting. Try IT UP. Let me better. Yes yes that's better that's better I'm not using Bluetooth. Am I good now so listen? They came down there segregated. Everything put them Kansas slavery colonialism. Whatever YOU WANNA call it. They get the ship. They gave back in power and they kick off the motherfuckers out. Get Out of here. I don't know what's racist about that. You come over here and impressed me and when I take power I keep you to fuck out so That's number one number two. I got a great comparison Tyson Theory Mohammed Ali. Muhammad Ali went to prison for three years. Because he didn't want to go to war Tyson. Fury had two to two and a half two years suspension because he popped dirty For for steroids and cocaine was my great comparison. Right Israel Oklahoma. Hey Hey hey. Good Morning Good Morning Chat a I think in Rega- immoral gets a lot of flack for Going back and agreeing with you but I can. Rick as the the new The new cow tower. Here man come on. I think I'm just seems a agree with everything you know is going to say next auto wall and would beat a young George Foreman or something and and it's going to be right behind you come on nine never. That doesn't really feel that way. Come on come on and not at all. I don't think we agree ever. I know I release. I've been released some of these shows. It's like dude are my quick point. some great points made. I think Buddy and Nezar on opposite ends of the spectrum of the spectrum. And I'm more in the buddy side but agree with Jay Mac. That he's a little too hard on the on the the current crop. Yeah man that's I think that's call you'll have you'll have a good day. Thank you should raise brands. We needed out here yellow. Thank you for tuning in. Listen if you haven't already drop your suggestion or topic that you want discuss on tonight's episode of untitled. Yeah man it's been going down on. Title is in a heavily requested and definitely most listened to in terms of statistics. So if you haven't already checked out and untitled do so remember anybody at the five dollar level. You'll get bored of wars. You get untitled. 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I'm chanting on it out loud because I was told that my side of the business is non non essential until may thirtieth at least Sam when they birthday so I need a job man and hopefully we get hired. Damn talk about spilling beans. My man ain't nothing for the imagination bike. Lynn right off that a lot of follow behind. Now I ain't gives when I'm pointing fingers. I ain't NAM. Doan networks. I I ain't ruin a five. Oh four men talked to. This guy is out of control speaking believe receive to do with it do gone on. Gentlemen Year Enrica is the guy you do not tell anything apparently because GEE WHIZ I'm starting to put it together myself bringing away. It's just I can't. I can't get behind a comparison between alien Just to Ali was on a different level man but But that's my call. Yes Sir yes sir man look man. I thought this was the most thought provoking topic out there. You know what I mean. I I really didn't even have to surge much like this was like one of the few things I've seen them like. Well this this is it. This is going to get us talking. Sonny Woods Talk to a Cincinnati was good good morning. Tv Good Morning. Hey Hey have you. GotTa listen to the callers. That guy's missing the ball on this. It's like people are giving Tyson periods process but the Jordan and Kobe Pearson is the best out there. Like Jordan is Jordan. Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan. Emmy anybody has seen now if you look at Tyson. Curry type superior is to me. In my opinion the closest to any current headway or heavyweight in the nineties that you keep that could remember alley. That's different he's not like he's not compare with wildly but he is remember valley with what he does at the rate and adversities outside of the ring or two different things. I leave with a gift. A government types of was fighting against the demons within themselves. So if you look at those 'cause they both out the reef were about the same amount of time now. That's so now point. As far as David Haney is four so low. Deva Haiti reminds me so much is made weather madge when he made that comment shortly after that. He had instagram posts. See next to a stack of money. Soon as I've seen it per person I thought of throwing me weather out there floss with the money and then he made that statement Devin. Haiti is literally trying to follow in the footsteps of Floyd Mayweather. Think that's his biggest way to Edey is going that green prayer route. May whether we're talking about intro. Tbb Out y'all Friday amazing 'cause sunny man that's one of the best. 'cause you don't have idea well thought out gusts and definitely deliver some hall information appreciate that. Intrigue. We did intrigue burn through to. I don't even think he went and in the I know he did go one. Yeah he got one. Yeah we give them. Yeah well he was the second person Cayote. I'm sure he's ready to go. K Oti Boomerang Funny Nest that you would try to say that you always know what I'm thinking which I think is very unfair. I wasn't even talking about agent. You mentioned I mentioned aging when I didn't say one thing about Aj. All I said was the fighters that have actually called out fury ONTA Louise white So many factions who have called out fury that he's yet to fight and you guys keep saying none of them will be serious. Then you have the same notion about Fury who then we think that Oh What's his name? Fury was only going to be while the point. These fights needs to happen. You can't just assume I'm presume that old you think it's all this one time. Be Be this. You have to let the fights actually happen. There's a difference between the perception and reality their fighters dot calling out and he needs to fight them to prove that he's a great respect. Yo that's a great call and you made a great point. You know. I say that a lot of these FIS need to happen. And you're right you reminded me. Aj Ruis I didn't think AJ would lose that fight at all and if it didn't happen. According to my logic we would have missed out on one of the greatest upsets in boxing history in the last twenty years so you make a good point champ. I know when When when when I say loss you're right you're right let's see we got boomerang. Intrigue Talk to US Tree Young. Amy Yes sir. Ruin on chest X I too much off. You know after you can never be compared Ali nine main like like I said in the Chatman I history books and school. Kids are learning about Ali's life and what he went through. Jerry never been a history book you will never be any textbook in school being taught about. And that's how you can tell the greatness of I league comparison to fear. So that's how I got right there. That's another amazing point. Anything that perspective idea could he ever be in a textbook? What could fury doing the future that land in a frigging history books and yeah? That's a look at it doesn't because you know we got to remember like F we can all respect Mohammed Ali. We could talk about everything. He's doing the textbooks but he lived. It was super hard so fury to be in that kind of situation where he ends up and it's X. books as probably for something. That's you know not a real cool time real quick NASA. I don't know if there's any more callers but You know I got wind of Tony. Harrison's father maybe passing away on the chat. I don't know how true that that is. No Way Yeah you know I. I don't know if that's Legitimate but I don't see how anyone would put that up there with without any sustenance behind it I got Tony so you know I would rather find out for a He posted a day said he was in a tough fight. And you went the distance decisions just didn't go our way. We was together every step of the way. What could I ax my right hand forever? Get some rest pops. It ain't goodbye. Just see you later. And it's a picture of rather and Keith Thurman Jim and multiple pictures of his father That's gotTa hurt a lot man. Wow on that no liz. Definitely give them atten- cow ones are fine. I should have not said nothing. I hate when I dropped the ball especially with the ten count its heart. It's hard man They had such a close relationship. I bet you know is he was He was training so definitely had had a special relationship to be father. Son and train a- You know because sometimes those relationships don't makes even though right now we see a lot of that you know with Danny An an angel and and You know other a lot of younger fighters to step away for two six Gotcha. Yeah I'm still job in the ball. Hit those unfortunate. I don't understand. Why is this pressure on the depression? Failing here I gotTA GET. I gotTA get my game up over here with some of them. I mean not that they hurt anyway so really better but I lost my dad so I mean everybody has a connection today. Dad a certain way you know. Obviously if you would train you in the corner kind of like working together so you only lose your dad which is like the ultimate loss but you also lost like voice as you know in boxin too if he was that man for you I'm home with my two kids. Cook in right now. Playing teacher and everything. So you know an podcasts. Also reason why keep stepping away. 'cause I'm making chicken soup today. Warm for the soul so but Super Dad man. Yeah Man. I dropped the ball guys. I have no clue what this always happens. Bench finding. We'll get him on untitled today. We'll get it on entitled today show. Yeah any call. Rip Seattle. Oh yeah we got Jay in Colorado Jay talk to us Jane Colorado Yes sir. They'll get good was that was founded to go on everything. You own everything. He's going to be able to live up to the name of mom and lear compared to him out the ring. Why because he doesn't even have to God's to the fight like mom Alida told me like he got the drawers for meal and got the Joe Frazier Water who got after that Anthony. Joshua who's all make them great? You can only buddy. Mcgirt was really saying if only they don't have fighters his era to really make other fighters great. And if you if you are great you gotta you gotTa show like Floyd got down near perfect life. Floyd Emanuelle like the last great fighters that we've seen what you know what you're talking about this man that's right well. J in Orlando Real quick. Looks like we got a counterpunch from trae in a bay. What up what up? You already gave it to me okay. Well let's see you Guess that's everyone right now. Gto INSTAGRAM and twitter. I WanNa thank everyone. That tuned in Join US again Seven PM Eastern right here on for untitled that Patriot Dot Com. 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Hey I off the risk piece man prayers in ear for the Harrison family man. Hey everybody out there man. Life is short. Go Call Your Mama Call Your Dad. Call your brother call you sister your loved ones and telling me that you love 'em man. We'd never know going to wake up another day. You know what I'm saying Jemaine great call agree with you one hundred percent. Doomsday you gotTa do some more research brother before you speak on the topic of forest making the Muhammad Ali Tyson theory comparison eight no comparison. Only thing you can say he might have a little more lateral movement like Muhammad Ali but That's the greatest of all time a wiz. The last time you heard somebody call around. They're going to knock him out in in this generation. I'll wait. That's how Ray Muhammad Ali was. He can call around and knock you out in that rail many fires that can do that. Happy for Twenty Day. I'll put some songs in the chat. Y'All jam to Rig Jiangyong Everything Traffic Mr Grim. Y'All play that why you smoking. Everybody has a blessed no stress day. That's all I got FAM Getty and Harlem on a counterpunch will. I just wanted to just conclude on the topic. Muhammad Ali with the comparison. I appreciate what you said on appreciate NBA Generation. Now that's why I respect though Aca respect the fighting style may whether Manny Pacquiao because they're they're proven to be great generation. So I definitely feel you for that in and I got a. I got the the business of Bacchus to blame because who we may not even be able to get a chance to see how great these these fights because all the politics so I definitely feel you on that manning Once again pressure McDonald's by the way I know you were saying he was dropping the ball. Pretty Short crusher. Mcdonald's man still salute. Tbb Man yesterday. Satan happy for its own. Greatness always raise them motivational stuff. S Dope on that. No I'm doing right a founded rest how to Tony. Harrison's father we're going to go out to boomerang might be talked to good morning morning own out on to Harrison's father that's sad news That that's what he put on demand that that actually me tearing up shit at the horrible on an Muhammad Ali type thing. It's not gonNA say no. It's also objective. It's boxing vendor day. I don't want to say one way or the other but just think about it magically Texas decided to walk down While they're which while there is a big Amanda elite was what would he? How would he take care of all the pretty much probably the same way? I'm not gonNA say anything who were. Who would want? I'm just putting strategy out there and I got. I got both for twenty. Orange peels animal cookies on this end. What'd you guys? Smoking outlet got the L. A. Confidential. Bahir I'm with Lucy that glue remember what it's called like. Blues Blueberry something on member Remember Look Very Hayes. I think it is blueberry haze. 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Mark Bell's Saturday School EP. 3 - Who is Muhammad Ali?

Mark Bell's Power Project

18:22 min | 6 months ago

Mark Bell's Saturday School EP. 3 - Who is Muhammad Ali?

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Don't taste that great, so we add perfect Qudos, mcat powder I, myself prefers salted Caramel, its second to none It's one of those things that taste good right now to everybody, not necessarily somebody who's just on a Ketogenic Diet. Literally anybody on the planet can add this to their coffee. They'll. It'll be healthier coffee in their tastes better That's at perfect dot com slash power twenty five at checkout enter Promo. Promo Code Power Project for twenty five percents off your order any order of twenty nine dollars or more again. Thank you everybody for checking out. Saturday school If you guys have questions, please hit us up at Mark Bells Power Project on Instagram at M, be power project on twitter at Mark Smelly. Bell on the damn place were easily accessible. If you have any questions to yell at US Hashtag Saturday School Cap, Saturday? School, whatever it takes to get our attention Get it and you guys will be. What have your questions answered by the One and only Mark Bell. Now for today's session I wanted to ask mark. If you have one of thirty one chance to watch any professional athlete in his or her prime. WHO WOULD IT BE? Let's see here. An opportunity to see Jordan. So that was. Awesome. I would say. I've gone gone to like some you have see events and stuff and seen. I got see bones. Jones Fi. I would say like probably Muhammad Ali. Mohammed Ali you know. He transcended sport and he transcended race. He kind of flipped everything up. You know he kind of flipped everything upside down. He did some really remarkable things and you know. He ended up being You know more than more than a boxer. George Foreman been quoted as saying. He's not the greatest boxer he's. He thinks he's might be the greatest fighter the greatest person of all time beyond. Boxing other people might have other things to say about it because. No one lives a perfect life. You know no one gets out of this unscathed with a completely a perfect record with no blemishes on your your record, but. You. Know when I have seen things about Muhammad Ali, and when I've seen the way that he changed the way that White Americans and and and other ethnicities for that matter were looking at African Americans. pretty unbelievable, and also like the world. Shut down. You know like right now in quarantine and You know everyone's kind of a Net Flex, and there's no cars out on the street. You know from Rhode. Island heard when Muhammad Ali faa when he fought like in. Africa and when he would fight, and he's other countries that country's put millions of dollars to have him come and fight. because it would draw so much money like worth it to them. And then it was like kind of these countries would fight. You know kind of almost like the way kind of wealthy people will where it's like now I got more money to throw at him. No, I more, my throat them and so You know. There was a lot of that going on, but. Admired also like his strategy a boxing fan. grew up watching a lot of boxing as a kid. loved watching Tyson. Love watching the lighter weight classes as well 'cause they're just the quickness and the speed and agility in the sweet science of boxing and the strategy that goes into it. was always really cool to watch, but when? When Ali fought. George Foreman. I don't think people understand. That George Foreman was like a complete wrecking machine, and he was a little bit like Tyson where he was like an angry dude. Now we're used to seeing the foreman grill. When we used to seeing Bagel George the big old smile, it's easy to have that big old smile because he's made it and he's made millions and millions of dollars now, but when he was young, he was very hungry. And he was a brutal brutal fighter in the fighters that he fought. when he fought Ali. They they were You know these guys. These guys were in their prime and form a knock them out a lot easier than. What what Ali was able to do, not only did he knock them out. You know a lot of times. Ali would be pressed. To go the distance with some of these guys that form beat very very easily like Ken Norton and Joe Frazier. A George Foreman, just like beat the crap out of Joe Frazier I think he knocked him down like three times in one round. And I don't think the fight went very long I want to say it's a three to five round, fight or something like that. And then people know the story you know. People that are fans of boxing know that Ali and Joe Frazier had like wars in the ring like there was a really good matchup Joe Frazier. Southpaw and and being a kind of having that peek a boo style where he stayed down, real low, was a good matchup against Ali, who jabbing from the outside and float like a butterfly. But. What Ali was able to do. inside the ring was phenomenal, but what he was able to do before. It was able to do before you got in the ring. was a real art. Form the way that he was able to. Talk people out of victory in a sense obviously had to do it with entering performance. That was stellar right like he had to kick ass in the ring. Otherwise. They would have been all for not right like you would just get out. But could you imagine? Somebody in the press. You know talking about you so much and your revved up and you're pissed off and you're gonNA. Get in the ring and you're gonNA. Tear this guy, a new one right and you get in the ring and Bam Bam Bam you now with all you got and the and this is you know legendary thing from. Ali that he said foremen. I think it was like an maybe like the eighth round or something he said. Is that all you got George? And form and was like. Wow man like. He got me like I that's all I got. It's all I got I. It's not it hasn't phased them. It hasn't hurt him at all. And Ali talks about how how such a beautiful thing to go on the ropes and do the rope and to allow form into really wear himself down. and. Basically just tire himself out by because he's a power puncher, and what a brilliant thing! Like. Hey! Look Man! I'm not good enough to beat him anyway if I can absorb some of shots since that's his strength but I'm GonNa make his strength is weakness in this sense because I'm going to just have them hit me in the forearms. Lot have hit me in the side a lot and all that stuff still is very damaging. but would would Ali new was that. If he did this overtime and he could pitter-patter, and he could smack George here and there with some shots that he would really be able to slow him down. He'd really build a end up a winning because he build a tire him out so much. You could probably just blew George. Foreman over with a with a with feather at the at the end there because he was so fatigued that he got spun around and Ali did hit him with some good shots, but it was really. Nothing all that monumental or astronomical is almost like a push. You could almost just like push over and you know he wasn't going to be able to get back up because he was like humiliated demoralized too fatigued like he probably wasn't even hurt that. I'm sure he's her like it. Probably just I wasn't really that bad. I mean. Ali Did nail him with a really good shot at least one really good shot But what I want to talk about a little bit, but even leading up to that was. Ali's ability to. Defeat you before he got in the ring so. And this is amazing and a lot of people do this. You see this on shark tank like they'll do this on shark tank they. They. They devalue your product. They devalue your brands and they're like. Why do you have that high of an evaluation like you? You shouldn't think that highly of yourself right? And so Ali would do that with everybody he fought. He would devalue he would. He would bring in. He would bring in like his interpretation of what really happened. which would be a little bit different than the actual facts? You know, but they would just. It would be. It would be factual enough to where people would be like So, he said about foreign was. He, said look at George Foreman. He's like people think he's a powerful. But I haven't seen him knockout anybody I haven't seen him knockout. Like? What are you talking about him? Knockout anybody? He's got at that point like thirty or forty knockouts or something or thirty knockouts or something like that. Like. You're crazy Ali. What are you talking about? He's like I mean like knocked out like these are technical knockouts like anybody can do that. He's like you know when he goes when I knock. When I knock out, somebody out. They ain't getting up like they're out. You count them out for ten fifteen seconds. He's done. He's like these other guys. That Ali's knocking out like what he did the Joe Frazier, it's like Joe. Frazier kept getting back up. He's like so. How bad could it really be? How hard could it really be punching? And so two to take the audience. that. There's probably a lot of people that want to see. Elliott has asked kicked I don't think he. Alluded the draft or chose not to go into the war or you WANNA. Put it at that time just yet so there wasn't that many people hating on him for that, but you know it was like the sixties or seventies and people hated on him because of his skin color. and. George Foreman is also black as well, but I think. They're trying to I. Think people didn't like the fact. That Ali ran his mouth and I think they wanted to see him. Get his asked finally. Against some of the pawn, instead he went against, but when he said that about four men. I think he really flipped the audience and they're probably like. Yeah, you know what you're. They kinda right like form. It's kind of a bully. You know, and he's probably not as tough as everyone says and and then he also said The other thing he did is he was talked about how on Athletic George Foreman was. He's like you know what I'm GONNA call them. He goes I'M GONNA. Call them the mummy. He's like because he moves around like a mummy. His arms are out. He's all stiff like he's wrapped up and he's like what is he going to do? Is GonNa. Come at me and lunch with these punches wome. Whoa many, he made it like comical. You know meanwhile. You, know you're thinking George Foreman's GonNa be like foaming at the mouth, and he's GonNa like absolutely kill him, and he just diffused all that he liked burst his bubble before he ever got to the ring. and. Brought a lot of that down, but imagine shifting. That many people. In your favor, and it's an Africa and Ali knew how to get attention from everybody. He's the first guy of his kind I'm mean never be anybody like him. Ever again. that Guy like I knew how to get the intention of a camera that guy new. I mean he? He invented fight camps. I mean he? He was like pollution. So many different ways There's videos of him. You know having He had A. Like kind of a quote, unquote vacation home that was a place that he would go to entrain then he'd bring in other boxers, and the other boxers could live there it this was like a real training ground, but then he would have horses and ponies and stuff, so the people can bring their family and the kids could like you know. Ride the horses and stuff as well so you know if if there's anybody that I'd want to see, it will be Mohammed Ali, but it's like it's so much more about you know kind of all the other stuff that he brought to the table. And, it wasn't necessarily like You know wasn't necessarily just what he was able to do in the ring, but We'll never find another guy to to be able to talk anything like that. I think other guys try I think Mcgregor and some of these guys I think they try, but. that McGregor's been pretty successful, because McGregor's talked himself into being great. You've talked himself into being You know one of the best. And Lee certainly did that. And I always admired that and then to back it up. You know that's the thing is like any of us. Could Mike Talk Trash? But to be able to back it up and then you know to be able to to be able to be the fighter that he was that that would be the one guy that I would love to I'd love to get an opportunity to see sick man. That was great. Yeah, it in my opinion would be Ali back in the day. 'cause you know I didn't get to watch Michael Jordan like in person but I got to see him on TV I got to experience that so if it's not Ali would be Jordan, and I was GONNA. Say Mike Tyson but if I go watch him and his prime I'll hang out for like five minutes and the fights over. So yeah, and he he might fight again. I heard he might fight Shannon. Briggs coming up do that. Trading footage looks really good I mean it's. It's like people had sent to me and they're just like Oh my God. Did you see this? Only? It's Mike Tyson. What do you expect? It's not going to get better than that. Another thing about Ali that I thought was really funny is like how he came to all the press conferences like prepared with these funny sayings and speeches and poems and. This is a black guy in the seventies going to Harvard and Yale. To do speeches and he's got like the shortest Got Like the shortest speech or poem Mike on Record, he said like me. We on what the meaning of it was. No one else does, but that's all he said. you know he's he's A. He's a legend in so many different ways, and and do it at that time. I mean you know guys like Martin? Luther King are getting like assassinated, and there's riots in the street like it just doesn't make any. It doesn't make any sense a minor thing to that he was in the line of Fires Whoa. Oh, I heard that he was going to get assassinated I think along the same with the same people that got Malcolm, X. or something like that. This is something I heard I. Don't know if it's true, but like I would imagine that would be true because like. Just how out there he was, but my my favorite thing is when he talks about I think it's when he talks about training for four men. and. He talks about how he's training different. Remember that speech remember how what he says and that one. I. Don't remember now. He says he goes I've been chopping down trees, and they're like what. He's like he goes. That's right. I've been chopping down. Trees I tussled with alligator I wrestled with a whale handcuff lightning through thunder in jail, and he's just like going. Everyone's like what the hell's he talking about. Yes, I do remember that yeah, remember. Last week I murdered Iraq. Stone. Hospitalized, a brick, I'm so bad I. Make Medicine sick all that stuff. It's like unbelievable. It's like what the hell like. Guys right and poetry and kicking people's asses. There's nothing better than that. Yeah, th, that quotes been using so many motivational videos and stuff, so I'm pretty sure. Everybody listening has definitely heard a version of it, so that dude? Yeah like I, said hospitalized a brick. No one's ever said that in like hip hop like that's like next level. He was actually Kinda wrapping almost back, then, yeah. Yeah Yeah All, Right Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for checking out today's episode. Let us know whether it be instagram. Youtube twitter, let us know who is the one athlete that if you had the opportunity to watch them in their prime, maybe even like down to like the exact whether it be fight Jordan versus the Knicks Jordan Verses Charles Barkley in the finals whatever it may be. Dan that'd be really good to I'll just thinking like him, and then I against the Magic to back when Penny Hardaway was getting better. Oh my God alkyl! My uncle got a chance to see Charles Barkley and he saw Jordan and Charles. Barkley you've got to see both. Both guys play and he said he was really more mesmerized by. Barclay just because like Barkley was so big. And the way that he could move, he's like it just didn't make any sense. Man He was was Mazen. Yeah I I saw Barclay person, and oddly enough. The one thing I remember the most was before the game. Dan Marley was hitting jumpers from half court, hitting nothing, but net consistently Dan. Marley was a savage did he was so good from behind the why? Why do you have such a Tan? Well live at in in in Phoenix, playing for the sun is like like when he was guarding Jordan on that. Last dance. He's like he's like orange. Will. Think about it if you're going to be guarding the best player ever, are you going to knock command looking Jackson Tan? You're probably going to go get your hair done. Get the tango and you're going to probably get a good pump before you out onto the court because he's like dude. Everyone's going to be watching me guard Jordan. I gotta look good for this. Next episode I think I should answer the question of how I got the name Smelly. Sounds good to me all right lane gentlemen again please us up at Mark Byles Power, project on Instagram at B. Power Project on twitter hit us with your Saturday school questions, and if you have any questions for me, personally, it's at I. Am Andruzzi Mark Bell. Were you at? 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Sudan 2020 Budget Will Adjust Currency; Float In 2 Years

Newscast - Africa

01:02 min | 4 months ago

Sudan 2020 Budget Will Adjust Currency; Float In 2 Years

"He'll listening to the news office, our on Africa Business Radio. According to government sources sedans amended budget for twenty twenty includes a currency adjustment program beginning in August. That's aims to reach a full currency float into. Yes, the country's currency recently fell to a record low of one hundred fifty Sudani spouse to the dollar on the black market, compared with fifty five at the official rate, the block markets rate was one hundred and forty pounds to the dollar on. On Wednesday, Acting Finance Minister He, Muhammad Ali said the private sector will be allowed to import unlimited quantities of field to address shortages which will lead to a rationalization of its prize, referring to removal of subsidies to help meet the reform demands of international donors, and that was the news at this time. When Africa Business Radio, you can continue to this in life online at www, ww, Africa, business, radio, DOT, com or a fine. I'm a bull up. I am Rachel she gender? Thank you for listening.

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UN Demands Immediate Release Of Kidnapped Victims

Newscast - Africa

01:05 min | 4 d ago

UN Demands Immediate Release Of Kidnapped Victims

"You're listening to the news hour on africa business radio. The somalia government has recalled. Its ambassador to kenya. Mohammad ammad Accusing the country of political interference. Selena has also the kenyan ambassador of somalia lucas tumble to leave the country for consultations. Muhammad ali not permanent secretary of the ministry of foreign affairs in a statement said. The government took this decision while preserving sovereignty after it appeared. That kenya was deliberately. Interfering in the affairs of somalia particularly jubilant sonali accuses kenya of pressuring japan federal state to reject an electoral agreement reached on september on the forthcoming elections. Set for next month and that was the news other stein when africa business radio. You can't continue to this in life of lying. That's www dot africa business. Radio that's com or via our mobile app. I am rachel. she gender. Thank you for listening.

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Catch-22, Fleabag, Muhammad Ali: What's My Name?

Bald Move TV

54:52 min | 1 year ago

Catch-22, Fleabag, Muhammad Ali: What's My Name?

"Hello, everybody. Welcome to the bald new television podcast where the officially unofficial podcast for all of television. I'm your host Aaron. And I'm Jim. And I'm Sally. And we are here to talk about three new shows that they Butte on television. This week catch twenty two Hulu original drop the whole season on us. It's a comedy drama dramama- starring. Well, we'll George Clooney and Hugh, Laurie. And what's that guy's name? His name is Christopher Christopher Abbott. We also looking at fleabag which returns received into, but we're gonna talk about anyway, because there's no rules. It's all television, recovering here and finally HBO documentary sports documentary. Muhammed Ali say my name we discussing that in this order guys, let's start with who lose catch twenty two. One episode. This is six forty five minute episodes. They all dropped today. They're all available. Are you guys either you guys a Miller? With the original denominator, the source material, though, I didn't even know there was one I'm not either. It's I I it's one of those things, it's like kinda hard to get out of a literature class in high school without being familiar with, but somehow mooresville didn't carry it in their curriculum, but it's essentially about a guy who is a bomber bomber a bomber bomber like a major major major drummer to the bombs on the bomber planes in World War Two and his feelings about war and being stuck with it in the madness and the crazy things that happen and him trying to get out of fighting that war. And the catch twenty refers to the I'm not sure if it's real or this is a farcical military doctrine that, if you, if you are, if you, if you don't the they actually simply, say this, that the army can says that if you don't. That appropriate fear and concern for one safety in a dangerous situation as a rational response. So just being afraid to go out on these bombers is saying thing, so, but also you don't have to fly the bombers if you're crazy. But the second you say you're crazy. So you can get out of your making a rational thought process. So then you're no longer grazing, you have to fly the planes, that's the catch twenty two the hell of a catch. What'd you guys think about it, especially like did it successfully? Navigate the kind of rough waters of comedy and drama, dealing with the horrors of war. And also just kind of funny life in the military type stories. Yeah, I really think it did. I felt like those bombers scenes were pretty hailing even even the ones that go right? And then nobody dies. I felt very much the fear that the bomber was feeling at any given moment even in like this scene, where they were doing the test with the pilot or their instructor. Still had you could just feel that tension there. And they do a good job of, of everybody kind of on the radio is going hurry. The fuck up. Let's get this done. Look. Oh, hell scape were in drop those bombs dropped those bonds, and he's like, no just hold on. I need to get wind this up or this for nothing. We're gonna have to do again. Yeah. All that stuff worked, and then the comedy stuff. I thought was a almost just a nice bonus. The guy I didn't I didn't find it super hilarious. But I did enjoy it and looking forward. Although I will say I don't think we've seen the best of George Clooney or Hugh Laurie. I'm looking forward to more with them. I don't think we'll see George Clooney ever again. No. The Schwimmer characters the, the drill sergeant got him within the shape and now okay, I actually don't even know. We'll see Hugh or any more. I kind of feel like those were big cameos that were there to kind of judge George Lucas George Lucas George Clooney production. So throw in him in there kind of gets people's butts in seats for Hulu and then but yeah, I don't I feel like both of those characters are are dismissed early on. I think they'll all come back. Yeah. Both of them, I think it kind of the theme and it's pretty obvious. But I think the theme is the circular logic of everyone, you know, it's there's only nine more emissions left. But now you've got five more tax on and it's just gonna keep repeating. So I think I feel like those people are going to come back and sort of the exact same way throughout this person's experience. But I don't know. I haven't read the book, I think, if this is a fake military doctrine. And it's not real they've really should've called the show and. Essentially, the book on the what the name of that is, but catch twenty five. Uh-huh. Would actually be a better. Why? Because after on twenty five missions, right? Well, now that everybody as catch twenty two and so they would kind of infer the circular logic of it all. But. I thought because there's a lot of things like I got myself, I found myself being charmed by, like, there's this character named Milo, and he has his pitch for being a mess officer because everyone's trying to work. It seemed like there's a couple of care to trying to work angles to keep them out of flying. These dangerous dangerous bombing mission share. And I'm like because they, they make this Hugh Laurie. When you see this guy, this, this major that runs the air wing, he's very cultured. And he you know, like, like, if he was a millennial he'd be ordering toast with avocado. He's got, like, you know, a he's, he's got like a record player set a plan, you know, high class music, and he's throwing he's got like a horseshoe pit just kind of low class. But you just kind of get the, he's kind of this type of guy who wants his Raca lamb and his exotic eats, and his odd exotic drinks, and there's this guy here to provide it for him. But then I feel like he's replaced in this episode like this new hard-charging guys put over it, and this other guy gets sideline. And like why I was really invested in this Milo and his rise. The mess officer what's what's going on here? I don't what are their what is Hugh, Laurie's rank because I know that other guys occuren-. All right. I thought they were both majors. Hugh Lawrence for sure, on your Colonel Navia, you could be right. And the other guys Lieutenant-Colonel I don't I also don't know the structure of making surmise like when I you're right. I might be wrong with that. My might be like middle-management. Yeah. I don't titles. I'm hoping that they can coexist, because I love you Laurie after years and years of house. And just, you know, his British comedy stuff I would like to see him come back. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The comedies all very just understated. Especially his stuff. What's interesting because, like when we were first watching this, and I was kind of with the source material catch twenty two I knew what it was the medically. And I'm like, you know, we had this interesting conversation yesterday on the spoiler podcast about like kind of pacifism and, you know what extreme pacifism looks like and whether we kind of agree with it, and when this start up, I'm like, oh, this guy. Has like a pacifist to the extent that you won't if you won't fight against Nazi Germany. I don't know that there's a fight that you feel is morally justified in, like this is going to be interesting to see how I can, you know, because I guess I could be sympathetic for anyone that doesn't wanna fight war, because you're frayed and no one wants to die and it cetera. But, like if there's a reasonable case that there's an existential crisis, and you don't fight against something that's broadly, considered one of the greatest evils twentieth. Century, then, like how sympathetic and I'm going to be this person. But didn't you find out that like even though he's extremely feeling this fear, and he tries to get get out of it in any way he can like he will he's not going to shirk like he's not the typing guy who liked dropped the bombs early like he takes job seriously. And then, you know, when he finds out that, like he's just counting down to twenty five captain nine to twenty five then they arbitrarily add five more missions, and they talk about like oh, and we're done in Germany. You're going to go to Japan and he'd make some good points. Like, hey, yeah. We have got the we got Germany. On the ropes like why are we still doing this at? We're risking lives to because why, again, I thought those are interesting things bravery courage as a physician will what kind of man is the. How do you say his name? Yosef aria, something like yoyo a what kind of man is he is he a good man because there's nothing wrong with not wanting to do these bombing missions. But he's also sleeping with his. I wanna say officer officer Clooney, George Clooney. Yeah. Is I didn't think that was possible, frankly. But just goes to show when he's getting up there and he accidentally sent the the young new bunk. Mate mud to his death. God, that was did he realize that the hundred percent sink in with him because I didn't really think he registered strongly enough. Oh, I did this to this. I don't think so. How much he knew what was going on at the at that time because he knew he sent him to the wrong tent. Yes, you know what they were doing in there, this out where everyone reports in their told which shipped again, on because then he would ruin that connection. I assume he's gonna find out later through some other avenue that, oh, actually sent this kid to his death, or could just be kind of illustration of how, you know, you always this is interesting. The they touch on with the band of brothers too. Like how there's this intense bond between the people that go through shit. But then, like, when replacements come it's kind of like fuck this. Guy, you know, he has he's on zero mission zero, and I'm on mission nineteen like, you know, I don't think he's evil. I don't think you would would realize he sent that guy to his possible death, and then not get up from his cod. I just feel like it's one of those things where he hasn't put together, and I see them making that thing later on, and I can also see them just being like this is a statement about the fog of war, and how people relate to each other, and kind of, how fucked up things can get. Yeah. Yeah. Where do I mean where do you think of this series is going? So we've seen the first episode. So obviously, we're spoiling that entire thing. But they're five more episodes. This is like spoiling, the first fifteen minutes of a movie. It's the setup all setup. So, so where do you where do you think this thing is going? I have no idea. Because like this felt like a very. This felt like a very full fully developed, like I like this could be another episode long and could finish. And I feel like it'd be a conventional kind of cinematic experience. Obviously, there's five more rough hours of roughly five hours of television. I guess four hours of television ahead of us. I have no idea because also how can they top this stuff? You know, we've seen like how this utterly terrifying. Like I've always thought it'd be terrible to be in these rigid lines. Armies used to stand in where you're standing shoulder to shoulder in your take your leg. You know, ready? Aim fire. Reload ready ended, and then other volleys come in and just like how fucked up that is that you're just standing there and people dying all around you and it's like that World War Two bombing campaign is almost exactly like that, like men rigidly for flying in formation through hell. And then you just hope that more of your bombs hit than than they knocked planes out of the sky. And how helpless like everyone in that situation is like except for two bomb, like the pilot has a fly straight. Until the bomber says it's ready to go. And then once the bomber says it's go time he's then helpless to do anything but be it's and the way that he like looked over to its fellow like bomber gun or whatever, then they like made eye contact then explicit and like, I don't know this ever happened a war, too. But I believe it could happen. His body to slams. That was fucked up yet is so like that's a strong statement. But I mean it seems clear that this guy like I think maybe that he will actually go crazy. And they'll be like that'll be interesting. I'm thinking, yeah. Like 'cause the, the idea of catch twenty two and sort of it being the title tells me that a they're going to go with the irony of it. All right. Which I think makes a lot of sense. But also, I think they're going to go with the genuine idea that these situations, you know, being even if you're not crazy going into these situations, there's only certain amount of shit that people can take for the snap. Yeah, yeah. And this guy, I mean well, there's the very first shot of the episode right where he will. Walks in back into camp from some horrific experience. Covered in blood and screaming completely naked. I mean, is that that's the end of the series, right? Yeah. I forgot about Scott to be. Yeah. You're right. Like some kind of nightmare. He's having because he's seen so much, and he's gone crazy. Like you said, I think the ends in either he, he goes crazy. Or maybe he makes an escape because it seems like clearly has he sees so much of this, maybe that scene happens. And he just can't take it anymore. Yeah. He's like seventeen or eighteen missions in clearly he's still saying, like if he got out now he'd in normal live. And also, you can't call him a coward, flew through ninth combat and the this the shit. So it's like but if the next eleven mission. If the truth is going to be like your, you will do this thing until you become insane and also the pointlessness of it, too, because like you said, Germany is on the ropes and like he's he was made a promise another promises being altered, you know, the peace day he got Darth Vader. I don't know. I'm and also like, if you're telling that story, how are they going to keep it consistently funny because it's all it's all fun to see this guy fucking George Clooney's wife as he's doing these pointless, military drills, and this guy's doing his mess officer, but, you know, it's already, like I think kinda harder for the show to be funny after they did the sequence where he got. You know, the guys corpse got blown into the canopy. It's like breaking bad. Breaking bad could be darkly funny or very, very dramatic and invested. But like the doing the, the, the ladder hurt that's -bility did a former you know. So, like, yeah. That real grim grim places. I also wonder who's who I'm supposed to believe in some of these scenes, like, the, it's clear that the main character has a somewhat nihilistic view of things. You know he's talking about. He's says he's not casting judgement on God, but he's simply pointing out facts, but he's talking about the cruelty of God and the scenario is in. And then when they talk about these parades, I thought it was interesting because the one guy sees them as a team building exercise to, to build come rotary, build communication, all those kinds of things. The main characters sees them as a display of power, the humiliation of the troops. So who am I supposed to believe in that moment? And what does that say about what's going to happen during the rest of the show? The thing is, is I think that the show wants you to think yoyos, right. Because this characters consistently shown to be a dumb ass or maybe he's actually write objectively, but his, but it doesn't include within the system does not fit into the army's way of doing things. Right. That's kind of how I viewed it. And I don't think that's. So saying that fitting into the system is a negative thing is not something that, yeah, that I understand or rather. Sorry, I misspoke, they're saying that this person doesn't fit into the system isn't necessarily a negative thing to me. Well, but, like when you see the system is flying shoulder, shoulder, interlocked, never like budging, and, like, just rigidly following this thing, even though everything in your body is screaming to turn the wheel get the fuck outta here like that is how you do it. Like he's so right about the other thing when he's talking about. Oh, why, why can't you fucks get into formation correctly and do this March, right? I mean he's kinda right? You know, break down the teams into smaller groups getting them refined that the lower levels, and then build them up into a cohesive unit like that all makes sense to me. So when they try to portray him as wrong about the purpose of the parades, I'm maybe, that's, that's, like a subtle nod, other mini catch twenty twos in life. Like if. You. You've got this training processes, right? Regimented and it's one size fits all and your courage to not think outside the box. So the people you want, like your officers, but to be dashing and creative and problem solvers, but you've got a system that's designed to stamp out round pegs fitting around, so, like a guy who's actually intelligent and thinks about the problem with not make it through that process. And you get a guy George Clooney who's just like he wants. You guys a swing seven inches or three and a half inch arc from from hip the wrist and God damn it. Why can't you do it? Whereas a person it's like well here's why you can't you're a fucking square peg, and I'm trying to round hole shut the fuck up. That's a catch, twenty two like a person. And in the, the further catch twenty two is when you get to be an officer, right? And they actually do want you to, to display all the qualities that you didn't fuck out over the course of your training. Yes. And I was thinking, like, how does Hugh Laurie go from being in, like those petty officer ranks to getting up to being an? Officer and it makes turning into the person he is. Yeah, it makes you think that they didn't that most of the officers called him or know that they didn't go through that at all. They started off. Oh, I think it's like two. I don't. Yeah, I think in the military everybody goes through that initial training. And the people will get promoted through that. I thought there was like the listed. And then, then you've got officer like there's like a you come out of, like, aren't you? So you get to officer training via just a standard boot camp kinda yeah. I think there's like so you can get like a battlefield commission. But then there's also officer training school. And that's like the majority of them come out of. But I don't I don't know not consciously. I could be wrong about that. Maybe he didn't go through that. Maybe that's why he's got this these s interested about his personality. Yeah. Right. Someone like gosh, I wish I had their character names. I know. That's a one criticisms. I had is I found that very hard to tell these guys at part. Yeah, because a lot of them are, like sandy blond haired with regulation haircuts. And they're all wearing uniforms and even with them hopefully going through, and giving us the text version of their names next to their faces nothing registered. Be Jordan, someone like George Clooney's character seems like he did he came through it. He believes in it strongly even if there's a new way, that's how it's always been done. And that's how he got to be a disciplined, man. So why would we change it now? Oh, yeah. The I mean changes in those kinds of procedures, come from the top click, they don't just know. Oh, we're going to try something new today kids. Nope. But to your point. It seems like. With the formation and humiliating the people, and who was right. It seems like the guy who had the idea about the smaller groups was proven wrong when he locked his knees and passed out. It's like this. I yeah. I understand why that happened. Do you. Yeah. It's, it's a thing that happens when you get nervous. But if you're standing straight up, and you lock your knees, it'll appear your circulation circulation make you pass out. It's in the learning I was in when I was in choir. A lot of people when they go to perform for the first time they're trying to, like, really focus on their posture because that's what you've been told all along. So you're so focused on keeping his rigid posture, you cut off your circulation. Then just wow pass out. I wasn't leading because I'd heard the same thing or if it was just like it was hot. I feel like you could tell on the way he started to shake before he fell like his you can see his legs starting to shake right. The end you know, the tuba is very heavy. He shouldn't have been carrying that, right? That was foolish what you guys think of the star Christopher Abbott, 'cause I, I didn't think much of him, honestly in girls but I've seen the he's done a lot of interesting things lightly. He was in first man. He's coming up at this new Natalie Portman, Jude law box Lux type of musical deal. I thought that he was really, really good in this show. I agree. So I don't know because I'd heard some stuff like with the something went bad between him and the girls production. And like either demanded to be out, or maybe they didn't want him to come back. And I, I don't know. But I said, I didn't again, I didn't think much of him in that show. But like I've seen him, I can't remember the last time I saw him in something, but I really like him in this. And I'm looking forward to seeing him with the vox Luxton coming out. I thought another standout performance was the doctor I really enjoyed seeing the doctor was in. Yes, the doctor was explaining, the catch twenty two to yoyo. It was actually a direct. You told me this was a direct quote from the original novel. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The whole lot of dilated which I which I thought like man feels like a who's, who's on first type of skit skit it does. Yeah. But yeah, it's just like it's a word for word description of the character like articulating what catch twenty two is from the novel, the only differences on a novel. I guess he like Wissel by. When he said, it'd be like that's some catch. But I liked that it had a lot of that kind of frantic. Little bit of off kilter, like George Clinton men who stare and goats kind of energy to it. I don't know whether I'm just saying that because it's loony and I seem in a military uniform. I got the same impression, especially when it opens with the naked man walking on an airbase some pretty feels farcical but yeah, very serious. I'm very curious to see if they can continue kind of flip this tone or it's just going to get grimmer and grimmer and grimmer. Hey, before I move on, I want to promote the club club that Babu dot com where you can get fantastic club content. It's interesting on Fridays where record this TV podcast of we, we actually come fresh off of larger Jim and Erin series where Jim and I talk about whatever's on our mind and we also turned to Mike's over to you the audience and they can ask us questions and the highlight for the lunch. This for me today, Jim was the legend of cocaine bear easily. 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I noticed that they made like a two minute, kind of like everything you need to know from season, one kind of previously on what I found not super helpful. I found I was more confused at the end of that than I would have been without it. Yeah but I got. Say I fucking love this episode this felt so like emotionally real. I feel like when I was growing up all of the sitcoms were essentially trying to show you how things should be like how like this is how families should interact. And this is how families should deal with problems. And this is how friends should support each other, and like nowadays television series, our generation grew up in, like this is how things actually were in the homes. You know, we were watching years kind of thing. Yeah. We yeah. Yeah. We were, we were watching, we're all watching, like family ties and silver spoons and a growing pains and the fucking Tanner's and full house. But what we really living were these passive aggressive old generation versus new generation people walking on, like these family dynamics. Like I, I just thought I don't know. I thought it was it was very entertaining and kind of also insightful. Yeah. This this dinner scene, this whole dinner scene. It's effectively, like the whole episode is this dinner scene. Yeah. But in the beginning, especially I very much felt like I did with Russian doll where it's just like barring you with so much conversation, you can't possibly take it in the thing that I really loved about it is that, that was the point of it. Yeah. And that every smoke break, she took was me taking my own fucking smoke break from this episode and it really worked for me in that regard. Yeah. Where, you know, a lot of shows just play it straight like catch up catch up. And I never want to catch up. This one was like who God so much? Okay. I thought that I had like just recently went down and spend some time with my dad, and Florida and we had kind of like tints dinner situation where it's like I couldn't put my finger exactly what was ratcheting up the tension at every single thing. But like I kept on, like Jesus Christ of politics. Comes up right now it's going to like this dinner was like that. Like every single thing seemed like oh, you could should be able to roll with that. But they just kept on piling on and piling on the editing is really good of like. You know, I there's this one point where like her step mom, is, she's invited this Catholic priest who's a very unconventional Catholic priest. He's swearing, and he's talking may not even be a Catholic might not. He might be fake Catholic priest. That's, that's an interesting. It doesn't seem like from seeing the trailer that that's actually the case. But he's just an unconventional Catholic priest and his her his her her parents, which are kind of oblivious, and they're well meaning but they say stupid stuff, like I feel like a lot of shows like this would have their that well-meaning. Yeah, maybe. But she's the type of mom to be like, oh, anything the interesting way about this, the father, so. And so is this mother's originally, a lesbian, and then he'd just smash cuts they're like, the size of the sitcom would just show. Everyone being uncomfortable. But now you just this like you like they flash Ford, fifty minutes of the conversation knowing, like, oh, God. That's one of the things that's ratcheting detention here. Yeah. You know that you would be that casual about revealing people's. It's personal details. In fact, it also be like a you're saying interesting, but you're kind of using it to say, shocking or scandalous, and I thought the way to edit it, and the way that the right this person is an extension of her and this person, the more interesting that they are the more interesting. She becomes the she was really ho- seemed to clearly be hoping he was wearing. He was gonna wear his little dog collar. Yeah. Yeah. Almost to say, look, who I found. Right exactly showing off a pet. Yeah. That's exactly like that. A lot of the reason is works is the this Phoebe Waller bridge, who I'd never heard of before watching this character. She's the main character. She's the creator of the show. She writer this show killing eve to this, which was also based on, I guess, a stage play that she had written performed and she's also behind. Yeah, she's a show runner and head writer. I think of the BBC killing e which I've heard a ton of good things about. So like suddenly, she just burst on and like she's just great like they are. She does the fourth wall breaks. That I find very, very funny. It's very smooth to their of their moments where she takes breath. And then, like winks at the camera or something. Yeah. Houston. Houston sharing the secret her best the we're catching is kind of like oh, yeah. Your mom your mom, the piece of worker. Yeah. Super you're dead. It's, it's good. And like everything that happens is maximum, like social awkward, like you know, dad, her dad's like the most inarticulate man alive. But I, I love it because it feels like my dad who's like, or are you always seeing this in families that are like, maybe non non-conventional, but they're together for the holidays and everyone loves each other and, and a family member wants to step up. And maybe drunkenly Mark the occasion, but they don't have any of the emotional language, required to do anything and everyone's just kind of awkwardly like, oh, when's grandma going to sit down, or win win his aunt Cathy going to stop this, like it just perfectly catcher captures that I thought. And then my favorite moments was her catching her sisters. Husband fiance. Is it has been okay? Catching her sister's husband drinking and just what an absolute shit. This guy is. He is one of the worst human beings I've ever seen. How are you going to make this all about you? I'm interested in seeing it, especially the one thing I got from the previously on is he absolutely initiated romantic encounter on her. And then she did the right thing told her sister, and he threw the bus three hundred buses well, are going to believe me, or, yes, you're crazy sister. And so they had this falling out, and it feels like a little bit of a coming together here in this first year flash their word from that event. And they are pretending to be together for the sake of their father. But I do I do feel like there's a path forward for them, especially with this guy being shown to be a complete asshole, and liar. Yeah. And I think she knows that because she's going home alone. Right. She's not leaving with this guy. Right. Go to the hospital, the hospital on. Yeah. So I assume that like they have she has acknowledged that, okay? Maybe this guy has lied to me, and I'm interested to see how that the sister relationship progresses from here. Yeah. In like a lot like Russian doll before it, it I feel like it's head into Georgia trajectory, where it's very funny and very real. But also gives people kind of, hey, there's a path forward. This doesn't have to be your life, you can. And I felt like I don't know what this person's path is and season feel like she's kind of a mess of a character, but like she was right on, like her sister, trying to swallow all of her grief and all of pain, he's going through and pretend like nothing's happening with this miscarriage, she suffers like that's like the least healthy thing you can do. And you know. Maybe it's not great to blow that, you know to, to disclose that information. But it's like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to do. She does like it's a medical emergency though. It's like it's like it show king in Pete. You know how people get embarrassed. They choke, and they're actually dying in a restaurant because he'll do the Heimlich, regardless of whether or not right? Yeah. It's great because, like I was thinking, like God, what the hell's going to happen when they sit down and somehow they found the most. Awkward way to deal with the possible like she didn't. She's just going to spill the beans. But somehow she like, started you, but then made it about herself. And then just made commentary about her. Sister's crazy decisions by frame it about me, it was like, I'm going to be the most passive aggressive asshole in the deal this most passive aggressive ENA way possible. It's just really really worked for me. Yeah, it was good. And everyone else was, you know, it'd been drinking enough that it all that nuance was lost on them on what was actually happening all that lead into the most hilarious punch accidental punch fight I've ever seen on. Especially since the guy was being vicious towards his the sister, what he thought was going to be something as wife would enjoy. But he didn't realize that he's actually saying things are incredibly vicious and insensitive actually just women like Guinea will like women in general, but, like specifically his wife, and then it leads to like you said, the, the fact that they all my God, the needy waitress how they kept on weaving that in the store until she ends up taking a punch at the end. It's, it's really great show. It's so good. I want to go back to season one and like, you know, get that, under my, it took a little offensive them, calling her a needy waitress because night. Good waitress slanty needy. She's, she's over attentive, but like is that her fault or is that the fault of our society and her managers and like I just, I don't know. I feel like you're also wait staff is like in that country where she's at Vichy. Vichy. I have no idea where she is in London or somewhere. Okay. Yeah. So I don't do that over. Okay, in that case it makes a lot more sense. Right. That's what I got from. I also think she got up at one point, and then waitress runs over and she's like, do you think she'll need anything, also thinks it's like some things, like, you know, like couples aren't very affectionate, like seemed like take altruism fenced of seeing public displays of affection, and others. Like that's like a trigger for them like, oh, God. Why are they gonna hotel room whereas like this families emotionally closed off? So someone just kind of like being attentive and caretaking is like someone taking care of them. Well makes them feel weird and it's like oh yeah. I was like, if you're not a hugger and someone is it feels weird. Even though this is a hug. This is human contact like right? I thought there's a little bit of, like, yes, they said that, but consider the source, you know, like catch it these people who all probably use therapy, or have no, no frame of reference to call some a needy or well adjusted or anything like, well, if they're all English. 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And the second one, I presume takes him all the way to the grave, because it does seem like the setup it sets out to tell the story of Bahamas Ali from the time of him being a baby born in Louisville Kentucky and our backyard until an impact, he had on society in the sports world in the world of politics and civil rights. I've seen a decent number of Mohammed Ali bio-pics documentaries, what was your opinion on this one? Jim. I like it, but not maybe, not for the reasons that you would expect Muhammad Ali documentary hit, no pun intended. I think it's not a particularly great sports documentary, which it's made by HBO sports. That's kind of the only reason I point that out. Right. But as a who was this man kind of documentary. I think it, it does a much better job because the highlights of his fights, I think are so without context to be almost meaningless. I like the only things that really made sense in the context of this documentary as far as the fights go is when he loses a fight. And when he comes back and regained the title, those types of things like seeing him fight Ken Norton for the third time, or whatever some schmo that, you know, he just had to he had to climb this ladder back again, is sort of pointless, and they don't they don't dwell on anything long enough, which, I guess, is both a blessing and occurs. Because if they did I, I'd be saying, oh, it's even worse because they dwell on this, too long and it doesn't mean anything. But I think we're the documentary shines is showing what kind of man Muhammad Ali was. You had to put the context, I think for like non boxing fans like why he was so unique. Because he had a very unconventional, like everything about is unconventional kind of like a stance as defense. I still think they do a great job. I've seen better. Oh shedder, boxing, Muhammad Ali boxing, documentaries in this way back. Right. But I think that like a person that doesn't know anything about boxing and just wants to know why was Muhammed Ali such a. Light lightning in the bottle situation, you see this person, and they and they can trust him to all the other boxers of the day and dislike he looks different. He moves different his way runs as mouth the, the way he brings in social commentary and says, like just relentlessly smart things about it. You know, it's like I got as, as watching it was, like I kinda got it like why he was a key figure for civil rights. And I know a lot of people, you know, have some mixed feelings about Alec nation of Islam and black Buslim some of that the politics of that movement. But watching the first half of this, I'm like, if you're a racist white person, it's very hard to pretend that you are better than Muhammad Ali, and almost any facet of life share, like he's extremely good looking, he's powerful. He could kick your ass. He's also very smart. He's also very rich. He's charismatic. As charismatic. He's, he's did I say he's also re he's also ridiculously good looking with talking about it. Like you know you can talk about my defense. My hands are today's doesn't get hit. I've been in one hundred eighty five look, I'm pretty pretty as a grew like like he just he's like, he's like, he's a he's like the rock from his WWE day, except for he actually can legitimately take you. Oh, I'm sure to rocket to, but oh me. Certainly I dislike I just he's just like one of these one of a kind talents and the way he would like fuck with people in the ring. And get in their heads in the pre and post fight stuff. Just I and hold his own against kind of white establishment sports media that was trying to take him down, and trying to paint him as this uppity black man that too good to fight for his country. And but like all the things he said like I thought it was really fascinated him coming back for the Olympics and talking about, like you know what I'm gonna go to nicest. I'm gonna go to I I just I just won the gold medal for my country, this country to my daddy fought for war to and, and be I whip the world's for American. I'm going to go to best steakhouse in my hometown. And I'm on a celebrate. Not probably won't have to write a check. And they try to not serve him because he's black and he's like what is like, we don't serve negroes. Look good. I don't eat them either give me my steak, you know, like he's just like how, how to fuck can you argue that? And seeing the guy like that on TV giving speeches to see of like white people like I feel like even if he wasn't politically active active just him. I'm living his life was kind of rebuttal to some of the supremacy of the time. Yeah. I think that's the thing that the second part of the documentary does so well is they get ultimately ends up a. Simmie tragedy, right? Like the tolls. The boxing has taken on Muhammad Ali, or potentially even just his genetics cause him to end up with a debilitating disease. Part of the probably even if it's one or the other, the, the combination, Noga yeah, definitely not. And so you can kind of see like. The toll that that takes on him. But I also think it was the toll of just having to stand up for his people constantly like e he comes back from all of this stuff with the draft and, and stuff, very much a different person, at least from what I can tell based on these interviews, which is one thing. I share about this documentary, it's all told through either interviewed the voices of interviews with him or his own voices or recordings, like family members people who were close to him. And it's no. These aren't contemporary review or interviews or conversations they had with people who knew him in the past these are of the era, that they're trying to depict here, and that really helps to kind of lay out who he was at any given time, because you hear it in his own words. But you see, like this, this is taken a toll on him. He goes into this whole draft thing as kind of a bright eyed kid who who has had some. Mm some adversity some challenges based on his race. And who he is and where he grew up, but I think more so like the whole weight of feeling like he has. Like, like he is an icon, but also I don't think he ever presents that, but I also think it takes a toll on him being forced to, you know, represent an entire people, and you can see that he's less of a boxer when he comes back, he at some point in the second half of this documentary. I think it's the second half says, I don't like boxing. I don't I don't want anything to do with boxing, when he's going through his his black Muslim phase. Or I don't even know if it's a phase because at some point he comes back around to like, oh, I'm actually the smart talking Mohammed Ali, that I was when I was a kid, but his at that point, his physical abilities are sort of failing him, and it's just the things like as great as Muhammad Ali was like he had five years of his absolute prime stolen from him. And I think that took a huge toll on him and also like I don't know. Because like I it seems to me, I've said this several times, but it seems to me that like conventional wisdom is the Vietnam war was a bad idea, and like a waste of resources and human lives, which makes like, you know, so that's like a tragic in bulk because like what sixty eight thousand maybe ninety thousand servicemembers gave up their lives and hundred thousand Vietnamese. But like this like personalized, like this is a thing you could point down like the world. Like boxing wasn't lies was changed. The history boxing has changed by this, this thing happening to Bahama Ali. And also like at the time like people were like, well, he's not patriots, not willing to fight for his country, but his history is judging him like he was on the right side. Every nothing he said was particularly out there like he was saying things, I think are extremely true for both the time he lives in today like specifically criticism about the war. And the fact that, you know, why would he go for Pfeiffer, a country that hates him, and people like him and are lying and tricking people, and, you know, interfering in other countries ability to do their business and, and try their own forms of government? He comes like, like I feel like history's judged him, correct. But he went through so much shit for it saying what were correct things. And he makes the point that, you know, I am doing much more. A service in the ring than I could ever do on a battlefield. And he's right about that. Like he he says every time I get in the ring of fighting for this country and fighting for the. I making taxes now that I mean but not even that, right. He showing the black men can be respected that like it's he is doing I think far more good in the ring than he could have done holding a gun in the jungle. But the point I was trying to get around to is it it's sort of a tragedy at the end. What happens to him with, with his Parkinson's disease, but he himself and his own word says, you shouldn't you shouldn't pity me because as much as boxing is taken from me. It's given me ten times that much back. And it's given my people ten times that much back. So, like there's, there's a message at the end which it's hard not to look at it and say, oh, man, that's just such a tragedy. But at the same time, he didn't look at it that way. And it's, it's kind of uplifting, that, that maybe we don't have to look at it that way, too. And they go into like all the charity work and stuff. And the, you know, getting hostages back from Iran. And, and all the things he did with, like Jimmy Carter and Reagan and stuff, and, and the help that he gave people even after he was debilitated to the point where he can no longer box. He's still had much more to contribute. Yeah. And I thought there was some other interesting parallels. The, the, the documentary didn't make out of stuff that I noticed is that like the people intentionally mis naming him, just to Beth fricks reminds me a lot of like the issue of like mispronouncing, and dead naming transpeople. Yeah. Like it's so clear to me that there's a certain class. I mean, there's people that just aren't where they need to be in education. They don't understand. But some people that are doing it and they know what they're doing and they're doing it to hurt. People disrespect people and make them feel like their choices, don't matter. And I just got like a lot of deja vu. Because the arguments these people are making about, like Woosh was says birth certificate normally would like it is, you know, I understand they're not identical things, but I felt like there was a lot of similarity in the types, attitudes. I've seen for people doing that and the types additives, see from people doing that in the trans community. Yeah. I can see it from his opponents tactic to get in his head. But, but yeah, when you got trainers of other boxers aren't fighting him on him caches. It's like what the attempt to like it's like, you know, like oh, you are. And it's like a lot also came from a fellow black athletes. Even. Yeah. They're like, hey, I'm they were contrasting like their willingness to be in the military military service with his and the oh, and I it's just because I think obviously Hamad Ali generated a lot of press just as a promotion of himself, but like that stuff where he was calling on his boxers like uncle, Tom guy really heated like that felt like he like I felt like there's a couple times, or your genuine emotion like I'm not just fucking with you, man. Like no. This is like, you know like. Like, like, I don't hate the guy, but I don't like him because he's doing these incredible. Like he's not using he's refusing to say my name, he's making fun of my religion, and he's making fun of my stances. He's carrying water for the government that won't serve us restaurants but wants to go fight in wars like. That's the time where it's like, and I think a lot of people smeared him in the time of well, he's doing, this is just part of a self promotion. But like I felt like the documentary too good job showing this is what Mohammed Ali looks like when you just run in his fucking mouth. Yeah. When he's like trying to generate interest in the fight and like putting in trying to get his opponent around up, and this is him, actually. No. You are actually hurting me and like trying to take down my human dignity. And I thought that was cool. I would say probably the last thing I really had to say on this is. Mohammed ALI'S boxing, career is incredible. And if if you look at this documentary, and you like what's the big deal I mean he had a few comebacks. He lost few fights. Go watch. Some of these full fights in their entirety because the highlights that they show give you like a couple of big moments but it's all about the lead up. It's all about like the context of the fight that you don't get from this documentary, all and is, is what makes those fights so amazing. I will understand, like some people are not inclined to watch fights of any kind, and I'm not gonna disparage you for that. But if you are interested go, there available like on YouTube and stuff. Go look up some HAMAs Mohammed Ali bigger fights like the thrill Manila against was that one George Foreman. Think so or was that either? That was all that happened in part two. So, yeah, yeah, I, I don't remember which it is there. There's one game I which one came second. And yeah. When when he starts to do his rope stuff. There's one fight. Where I want to say it was maybe. Maybe rumble in the jungle I dunno where they just beat the crap out of each other and you look at that fight and you go, oh my God. If there's any fight that you could Mark and Mohammed ALI'S career that might have caused some injure. He's this one is it because he's right. Most of the time he doesn't get punched. But watch some of the ones where he doesn't and he just takes his opponent. It's, it's amazing. He's an incredible athlete. He really he is probably the greatest boxer. Yeah. I'm not. I haven't seen every boxer and there's a stomach, I haven't seen a lot of his golden gloves era stuff, and like, when he owns skinny kid throwing punches and working his way up the heavyweight, and I was like, you know, he honed his body to be like that. And there's just a and also the his generation, it wasn't like the he was a giant amongst a bunch of fucking Jubran, as like like they showed like the profile was Sonny liston, and like you see Sonny liston, he's like the fucking credible. Hulk is chop and dudes down like just beaten the fuck, and I'm like, I even knowing like. Hamad. He's gonna win the fight on Mike. Jesus Christ, like this seems like he I, I, I know a lot of people like, you know, were rooting against Muhammad Ali and because, like, you know, he was a brash outspoken, black men. But there's a lot of people like not just think this guy is going to be able to tear this guy part. He just doesn't have the mass. He doesn't have the, the strength, but he's just so smooth and so quick, and so hard to hit in his younger days. What he he actually was undefeated until he went to prison, right? Yeah. And I think he came back off at three year break any fought Sonny liston for the first time and he lost. Yeah. And it's like you could tell that he wasn't in his condition, like he probably is mind, wasn't in it, and, but he's still lost by decision. It's striking me. You only ever see him hit them. At one time in this entire documentary, because I I don't think he's been knocked down. I very many times a couple of times where that's other thing that they didn't obviously, stop the Dockery, and the point is that, but there, I saw a couple of times in the first half where? I know he took a concussion, because he got wobbly and his knees and was like and like they put him back in a fight, and he was still not upstairs fully man. Like when you see these old fights or like football games. And like you're like oh, Jesus, they're breaking this person's brain and they, they don't know. It's, it's even worse in the second half of this documentary where, you know, them homily is on the tail end of his career taken tons of how you can see him getting interviewed by Howard Cosell three days before the fight, and he can barely keep his eyes open. He can hardly speak. And, you know, three days later, he's going into that ring against an opponent, who is fifteen years younger than him and determined to tear his head off somehow Mohammed. Ali is able to get into that ring, and hold his own and not get just absolutely devastated. But you know, he's not should not be in that race. Cumulus people around him putting him in that ring. Although I will say they make this very clear that Mohammed Ali wanted to be in that ring. Right. There was nothing. That could stop him. I don't think from getting in that ring if his manager said, no, we're not putting you in their promoters, said, went out for money, and you'd go find somebody else, and he'd get in that fucking ring, because he wanted to come back that fourth time and yeah. It's it gets sad at the end, I think, but also hopeful because of his own words, do you think that I will heavyweight boxing ever be good again because it seems like conventional wisdom is that, you know, now we know about traumatic brain injuries and concussions that. You just a quality of athletes that are going into their like people from America just don't start boxing nowadays. You're getting a lot of people from, like eastern Europe and other parts of the world. Like Indonesian Malaysia places that like just not as well educated or have worse social economic situations. Do you think that it seems like the UFC's also stealing a lot of thunder and a lot of people pro that as a safer sport? I, I wonder if that's like that'll be that'll be filtered cigarettes in a few years, because we just we just haven't, we don't know what the long term effects of people, it seems like it's better than letting people get their brains beat out and putting people that are essentially functionally still knocked out and concussed but putting them back in the fight. But I you know, getting there there's no safe amount of time to take severe blows their head. Yeah, no, I agree. I actually like. Fighters. Like, Manny Pacquiao who are in light lighter weight classes because they are more technically technically proficient, and they have to be because those blows. You know, a guy who's five foot four is not really going to be able to throw upon to generate the power that can knock somebody out, and they use that better conditioning and it's faster and it's more, it's more like boxing. Oh, it's I think it's so much more exciting like honestly, though some of these, the fights of alleys prime when he had top world class competition did surprisingly look like rocky fights. Ali had that, like crazy casual defense. We just kind of keeps his head his hands down alike, bellybutton level, and he dodges you and. Yeah, you just you still can't st- right launches on him. And he's it's, it's so fucking crazy. But I dunno everyone's while you'll see a heavyweight guy like in the nineties, there's ROY joins Jones junior which if you haven't seen his highlights check those out on YouTube. All right. We will be back next week. We've got a full, we'll have a standalone podcast around Wednesday for this weekend. Sure, noble will also be doing bald move TV next Friday with whatever whatever our net drags up from the depths of the internet. Internet. Broadcasting those, those are those streamers, the streamers streaming services, the who lose whatever. Maybe networks will get lucky one of these days get something about their look. But we'll be back that sin in your feedback to TV a bald move dot com. Yeah. Next week. We obviously big week of game of thrones. Lots television, I think we've got another movie, check all that out on ball, move dot com until then. I'm your Jose. Ron, I'm Jim. And I'm sesame.

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NEW PODCAST PREVIEW - 15 FOR LIFE - DROPS FRIDAY

Farm Small Farm Smart

05:53 min | 11 months ago

NEW PODCAST PREVIEW - 15 FOR LIFE - DROPS FRIDAY

"If you've ever watched the rocky movies Rocky Belbow has an arc. He starts out as a slugger. Somebody who fights in bars for not very much money not very skilled but he can take a beating and he can give out a beating. He's the puncher. And through serendipity he eventually goes on to fight Apollo creed for the heavyweight championship championship and takes Apollo creed to the end of the fight but losing the fight he eventually comes back in Rocky Rocky to and Beats Apollo creed to become the world champion a lot of got him there was his grit it his fortitude his ability to stick with it to train hard to try out work Apollo to try out tough Apollo to never acquit all traits which are absolutely fundamental to succeed in anything life including business but rocky we got there with a bit of luck in maybe he just caught the wave at the right time because rocky three comes along long in along with that comes cluber lane played by the iconic Mr T. and and when he first faces rocky he beats the living hell out of rocky and takes the championship rocky. Jackie wasn't ready for rocky. Wasn't a scientific fighter rocky thought he was everything and nobody could touch him because he had done the seeming impossible yet. Here was this puncher a super puncher. That came out and destroyed him literally really. So what does that have to do with farming. We'll I feel like many farm. Entrepreneurs are the rocky Balboa's of the world. Nobody gives them credit they start out real scrappy grinding signing. They don't WanNa quit the catch a bit of luck. They build some success but eventually for some people that success only gets them so far and a club or laying comes along in the form of some sort of business black swan something they couldn't predict or deal with in knocks him. Out Mr T.. Probably pities the fool that gets knocked out by these things that they should have seen coming. This is a preview and an introduction to a brand new series of podcast episodes that I'm going and to be doing for farm small farm smart beginning this week on Friday and every week on Friday I'm going to to be doing business content to help you be a better farm owner a better entrepreneur a better manager of employees a better employee and hopefully help you increase your chances of success to try and make you more anti fragile. Think of this like learning the science of boxing becoming Muhammad Ali versus at George Foreman Who could just pound that only gets you so far business farm? Business is a long jetty game and you have to know how how to try and stay in this game for the long term and I have became increasingly worried as of late over for the amount of people that I feel like are just missing business basics. So what what. I'm going to try and give you every Friday in short-form these aren't going to be terribly long episodes. They're all going to be specific. Niche topics are business this type basics things that a lot of us don't learn they aren't taught. This is based upon my years of learning Ding. My years of experience all the boneheads stupid decisions that I've made I'm trying to give you a blueprint macro type lessons that you can then apply to your micro situation. Because I don't want you take that down up down. Rocky Balboa ride. I want you to take that grit in apply the science science and the finesse of Apollo creed and have a career that goes for a long long time in trust me. I've seen a lot of farms. That's a very hard thing to do. runny farm business for a very long time. So let's see if we can help stack the odds in our favor and do things a little better. Maybe come at them a different way. Ask the right questions. Avoid void things that you should really be avoiding so please join me here on this. Feed Friday for the very I episode. Thanks for listening in until then be nice. Be Thankful in do the work.

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Barstool Rundown - February 12, 2019

Barstool Rundown

15:20 min | 1 year ago

Barstool Rundown - February 12, 2019

"The. The rundown. It is Tuesday. It is February twelfth. Back. I thought it was Wednesday at least Wednesday. I counted back from Valentine's it, that's why I did that in today's my last to end the rundown this week because. I. Unnecessary. All yeah. I'm heading to NASCAR Barzel NASCAR team. I'm actually now legitimately excited to see with about. We're teaming up in two thousand nineteen kicking off February seventeenth from Daytona five hundred sold out of the packages. So if you slept on those VIP package is tickets are selling gone, Dave. That's me. All going down for Barzel tailgate live show coming out with us at our spot. The midway Daytona can't make it be sure to tune into the sixty running the date. I guess it was like the hundredth running the sixty first running of the Daytona five hundred this Sunday, two thirty eastern on FOX. So I knew that was a problem. Bob, FOX put his jacket on the Moore. I was like how you gonna get down, bro. These domains as disrespectful to you minority to I knew that was going to be a thing. All right. And Tony Brown in the news. He has said he is done with Steeler nation. He's out you still in the contract. But he's done. They're fucked. A nightmare. It's the place. Every week could be the worst human alive right now. Well, what about LeBron these third? No, LeBron is threatening the American way of life and Tony Brown third Goodell Goodell LeBron and Tony's. Would you want him on them right now? You would well you are gonna get the jets argument. They're gonna get. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm so devoid of like talent at the skill position that I don't think I can be beggars can't be choosers fully admit this. Can you get almost no that he'll be a headache? But if he can actually catch the football league, let's go. He deserves for somebody teammates this break his nose. It's crazy. How does he do you see a picture took with Ed OMON? Trolling. I didn't even know Ataman was holding up six and he was standing there. Don't even when I I love the picture. I didn't know who was because guide his mustache. I thought it was like a rapper something. He he's everything that's wrong with the steal. Okay. Go ahead. Say I'll counterpoint that. I actually love in Tony Brown because like diva wide receivers are hilarious. And they make football fund the league always needs one at. Yeah. Right. It's just like oh del Tonio Brown and Odell does nothing compared to. With. Right. I think he's an asshole. But the world like the NFL needs the animals more exciting when we have this one might have gotten a little like he's a little bit too much now but him getting upset about not winning team MVP and the mink coat, and it's just the show. Fox between both of those guys. And I'm the capture those reading it's like if you train them. Now, you lose twenty one million dollars betrayed them in a few weeks. He was twenty four million dollars. Tomlin. So he's let this. I mean, the second the second. He started making Facebook videos of like the post game. Yeah. Like speeches? That's probably like at the raw take him to. All the Steelers. We mean give him that is him. I'm saying I would take him as my head coach, Tom. I would take them all. Breaking Chris Bosh who hasn't played MBA game in four years announced his retirement to move. I did like a triple take when I read. But I thought what was the biggest price? Bryce Muhammad Ali being alive or caught me off guard. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a what I what I don't know. How I missed. Remember the big fan. I don't remember. Oh. Guy from committing suicide. Now, I literally shut down Louisville. If somebody hit me at the right time in my brain. When I was like, no he's alive and like, no, he's dead. I'll bet you your net worth on him. I would have done it. That's how I around someone else. That's the David Bowie here that I have twenty around someone else would he would Trump, but I'm saying? I'm saying, well, what if it was prince prince prince was dominated every John June third twenty six now Princeton. Muhammad Ali I it would be almost impossible to be Muhammad Ali. I have the curse rich. The only reason I brought him up because I'm April twenty first twenty six not too far off the brought him, mama. Was that very this the picture from the Carolina game of that old bag just like losing her shitting, Michael Jordan, which I love I thought was hilarious is like who can what living legend can create that reaction. I said Mohammed Ali people like well. He's dead. Actually, then your point is even more, correct? If you saw some Hamadeh you'll be like what that's like seeing. So you point you Devia. Do you have anybody? I was trying to think. Michael Jordan's just about. I I don't know. In the world. What athlete like soccer players Beckham? But even that, I don't think Palay back, although. I still think Beckham would be I'm trying to think I don't think anyone anyone gets to that maybe Kareem just because he's so all no. But Kareem wouldn't I don't think that's legitimate watch. No. I know I know I'm just thinking of people who are combination of famous, but also like how the hell like when green walked in here, we overly what the hell. It's crazy. How tall is? Yeah. I think it's just MJ francesa category zone. We're just talking about with francesa. No before the MJ thing. Bosh retired Bosh. By the way. But I'm actually calling bull bullshit because I feel like if he spent this long not saying that he retired. If someone call them tomorrow, it was like, hey, we want to sign you he'd be like done. Well, that is a theoretical western because in the article it's like, no one will give me a chance. So right. He's so he retired. Nobody will sign. That's correct. I guess the radically like we could retire. Right. I'm retired from the NBA right signs. The posh. Also, it's gotta suck for guys. I always think about guys like that. Who like he his game is perfect for today's. What he was saying that arrive. Yeah. Pretty good run. All did. You have good run to always like the punching bag LeBron. Well, the brunt always need the thing. He was always lying. More numbers for good. This video is very funny. So New York subway video ladies and a fight with somebody and her she just threatens she's gonna suck his dick off. She's like you won't do it. Let me I'll suck your dick off right now bitch. He can't. Years. Just stupak game. Dementia like gets up way that you went down ready sucks. Pretty intimidating. Very aggressive. Yeah. I would scare me way more than someone being like fight you. She's like take you dick out. Right. So emasculating, then if you're going to come over the top on are you have to take Dicky? I think she would have bitten his. Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't have. She said she went interest won't fight. I think she's I believe her Agean if they got into that. And just continued and like, well, it'd be like the hottest sexy never told you stick. You're going to suck it. Crazy still things going on the subway that make me be like well never seen that one this many years in. Yeah. So we're still surprising this I don't get the so it looks real to me towels and college old blackouts numbing grounds. So there's basically a woman a mother like fifth year old Asian lady walking around showing pictures of her son to girls do on date my son. And now the police are looking for this me like stereotypical. But I like, I can see my mother doing this like Asian women's Jusin, Asians. Yes. So right. I don't see. I mean, who cares? Yeah. This is why they're looking to like arrester. It's a bit weird. But I don't think it's like it's also like I know this is going to sound stupid. But it's kind of an end being like, my crazy mom. Yeah. Spreaker? Yeah. Got to work with it. You got your starting well would spot, but I feel like now if you're working with it. I don't think it's a positive. No, it's nice breaker. You have something to talk about your mom goes around asking bunch of women out on a D for you. Yes. You lease have the first thing to say. And that is like the most difficult thing close, but get in the living suing your mom is not coming back into play until like an relationship. Right. So if you can get over this first hurdle crazy. Mom disappears for the next. Right. No it where the police are like launching a manhunt for this one. That's you know, what that is. That's that's college cops. Yeah. Need something to do. This is the biggest thing, you know, could be week subjects I guess today. But that's all we got. Saw got. There was a couple of decent video of a fight where lady puked in the middle of it. I put that on there. Two. Oh. Lady going. The supermarket like just throwing everything ground as you try to pay for bag of Pringles. Don't don't don't. He. E. No, he's Pringles. Always discuss me. Yes. Loves print. Oh, of course, he has is very Pringles the white trash gas station food. I lo- Pringles. But like eating all the time. It is one of those foods that it'd be like go to like it. But when you eat it feel kind of dirty. Yeah. Yeah. You got like your hands are all gas eats like a fucking ten year old. So oh, he's a bird one. She chicken fingers things. He learned. I forget what trip it was. But he like picked a restaurant, and it was like it was so bad. It was like a fish place. What it was like a dive bar in line. Montreal like, you're never doing that again. Yeah. I guess that's about about it themselves. Tell me what are you doing sneaky little rivalry building? Marina versus Frankie each. I love Rena with a grace the Berge on shirts. Since is in game. She just. Do you see what she did? She she ordered that shirt for self and had it sent to Frankie's. Oh, he opened it thinking it was a gift in the thousand goals thing thousand games is that a big deal. A lot of games league. I wanna thank you games. Shitload of games. So yeah, that's that nothing else. And we just run the we have already. Tomorrow, two more minutes. Let it run for two more minutes that way when people see it, they're not like, oh, it's only a twelve minute rundown. Chucky cheese that that they are interested. Okay. That the waiters take let the leftover slices and then just create a new slice and give the people leftover mega slice to even like you order, and they're not creating fresh. They're just taking leftover slices and putting them back. You kind of deserve it. If you Jimmy. Would not be able to tell the difference. Right. Fresh and old Chucky cheese certain level of Chucky cheeses, categorically denied the charges. Okay. Well, I actually categorically say they're true. Okay. Fine. No, it's gas you chugging pizza checking cheese pizza now. But I would you would that I experience Portland. Maine. All right rolling rock, ugly sweater party fouls nine. Yeah. That's right. And I stopped picking restaurants after. I would never pick that. But I don't ever pick restaurants either. Because he's. Portland. Maine actually has a lot of nice restaurants. And he picked the worst. Did we go recently where I told the person was perfectly fine. Like nice upscale steakhouse, and I feel like it's something goes wrong Rury, he's the worst. He if it's up to him, eat McDonald's and Pringles every day, we were somewhere in all I think it was Tyler in Atlanta. And I was like yo you better picked a good restaurant. Because if you didn't Dave will kill you. I can't remember where we went. I don't let him pick those in in Atlanta. She she got the Chinese food. And she was like, it's not very good. And I was like don't see that around that hotel. Right. You just don't own you. Because I remember we just kept going into San Francisco bowl just to prime. Yeah. Puts unbelievable whenever I love that. Rid for you. Our a deal. But then you guys just kept going. No it was expensive. Just so good. We went every so often I thought it was. It was the name of the house. And it was only five with time. So it's like well the budget would load on. Just keep going. All right. There's your extra two minutes. People say, we never gave you.

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Podcast Exclusive: WrestleMania I Main Event Watch Along

Busted Open

35:09 min | 8 months ago

Podcast Exclusive: WrestleMania I Main Event Watch Along

"Welcome to the busted open. Podcast this is the busted open. Podcast you can listen to the full show Monday through Saturday from nine. Am to noon eastern on Sirius. Xm Fight Nation General. One fifty six Go to the busted open. Podcasts exclusive content for the busted open nation so please subscribe and I have with me. Innovator of violence the landlord of the House of Hardcore Tommy Tommy. How are you man man? I missed here and that you've That you haven't brought at the whole corona virus thing so. I'm glad that you brought back. This is exclusive as well yes. This is extremely exclusive. Because we're doing for the busted open nation. The busted open podcasts. I hope everyone has subscribed and you know what we're going to do something completely different. We'd never done before the Uber fans on this show. We are going to go back and watch some of the greatest matches some of the greatest moments of all time. And we're going to do it along with the busted open nation. I don't have a name for it. Tommy maybe the nation can help you know tweet at us at busted open radio using the Hashtag busted open podcast. Maybe the nation can come up with the name. I think it's a great idea. I mean I. It's Kinda going to be like owned mystery. Science theater wrestling mystery science theater meets. Watch along each man you just talking about professional wrestling. I'm really looking forward to this. And since it's Wrestlemainia Week Tommy by the way. Don't forget to listen to our wrestlemanias special on Sunday from three to five PM eastern time. Me and bully ray again. Recap took place on Saturday and we're going to get you ready for what's taking place on Sunday so make sure to listen to that on Sirius. Xm fire nation one fifty six but Tommy since it is wrestlemainia week. I figured we'd go and see a match from the first ever Wrestlemainia back in one thousand nine hundred five man. March thirty first hours fourteen years old and I was there baby. I cannot wait to go back there. February twenty eighth where it was the match. Set it up in the wall or to settle the score and when you talk about electricity and you'd always hear gorilla monsoon talk about you could cut it with a knife. I was so excited when Mr T. was going to hop the guardrail and it was all during the holes captain Lou Albano Cindy Lauper the rock and wrestling connection was going on and I remember. That was the first time I started hitting my father like Dad. Mr T. here Oh my God I was hitting my father. Like Mr T. Is here that would be the equivalent to like the biggest celebrity on television? Mr T. was such a big deal and for him to be there at the event where I was sitting in my head and then like you know the angle that pursuit and if you think about how the times have changed. It was almost one month before they set up this super card where you think about now. The Royal Rumble Starts January all the way up to the end of March April. Will you know here comes Wrestlemainia? And it's wrestlemainia season but they literally had one month to go to promote their main event of this first ever show all right so I want you. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA quote my father said. Keep IT IN THE CONDOM. Because we've got a lot of information but we should do it along with the bus station. So we're not watching the entire first WRESTLEMAINIA WE'RE GONNA watch the main event so I need everybody that wants to watch along with us as we thought. You'll have to listen to Tommy and I talk but if you WANNA watch the main event of Wrestlemainia the first ever wrestlemainia along with us go to wwe network. And we're queuing it up. Tommy at one hour forty five minutes and six seconds. We couldn't make it simple one hour and forty five minutes and six seconds into the first ever wrestlemainia. You know what I'm talking about if you see liberace and the rockets in the rig so one forty five zero six. Wait for it. I'm GONNA else for the nation to find the exact particular point in the car for where we're GONNA talk about it so it's one forty five or six. Q it up and do you have acute up Tommy to one forty five zero six one hour minutes and six seconds of the virtual radio. I am ready. That's such a great random time. I love it. It's GonNa make it simpler one hour forty five minutes at six seconds so you gotta queued up so here. We go when I I'll tell you I'll countdown and I'll say play when I say play. That means hit play so five. Four three two one and play. And as I said there you see in the ring the great liberace. Who's The timekeeper for the match liberace dancing in the ring with the rockets? He is so happy he hasn't missed a step. What do you mean Dave? And I love the yellow fingers in the audience because Dusty Rhodes used to call Ho- cogan yellow finger because of those yellow fingers that you see those foam yellow fingers that a lot of audience you know oughta members of the audience have bought. Now you know the you were. Nwea guy. I was just a pro. You were the dad's liberace Doherty's Rhino Jack and look at them go nuclear Martin with Howard Finkel the special guest ring announcer. Now Dave you're in. Nwea guy. Yes I was a all out professional wrestling fan. You were what we make fun of today when there's the mix between eight. Wfan state you were that guy. You hated this despise them. To be honest I hated liberace being there. I loved Billy Martin being there because he was a beloved. You Know York Yankee The palm we understand it now as we get older why the wwe. E and Vince McMahon. Put this all together and I know from stories that Shane. Mcmahon has shared with me of and they said this publicly. If this event wasn't success here comes. The greatest is His name Spelt Wrong Muhammad Ali. No I think that spells name I think yeah I'm pretty sure you M.'s. And this is also the massive square garden network who some random fan that ran into the ring. They thought it was Sammy. Hagar but I digress. But they did all this because liberace the same like we're talking about GRONK GRONK will get more is on the product or last year. It was you know what Rhonda Rousey and all that stuff wanted to use these mainstream celebrities to try to get you know people watching this on this thing. This new thing called pay per view that is the New York State. Athletic Commission boxer. He was the he was the guy who ran at Man. He used to have to go get his license for him. I forgot his name. I'm not listen to the volume dammit. He was a good dude. Man Me and my father used go because to be a wrestler New York Jewish to have to go down to New York City and get cardiogram and get an actual physical from their doctor to allow you to be a wrestler. Wow so all right so So we have Muhammad Ali and the story is that Muhammad Ali Pat Patterson referee. Muhammed Ali is referee outside the ring and it turns out that they just didn't trust Muhammad Ali to be the referee so they brought in Pat Patterson to actually be referee for the match. And it's amazing that they didn't trust Mohammed Ali who had matches already. I mean what would you do go into business for himself? Knockout Hogan which would have been and here comes a Rowdy Roddy Piper and Paul warned door of an ace cowboy Bob Orton. They're going to be coming down down the aisle into the ring in just a moment. But you asked me about that. I was an Nwea guy this this wrestlemainia first of all. I think you would agree. Tommy there would be no wrestlemainia without hoke. Amini I mean. Hulkamania was all the rage at this time. So this was kind of a playoff holcomb mania wrestlemainia. If you talk about or if you asked Roddy Piper Roddy Piper would always say yes. Hulkamania was it but did people pay to see hot. Roddy Piper get his ass kicked by Hulkamania. That's a big question that live throughout the ages in professional wrestling in Piper was convinced but wasn't for him there would have been no wrestlemainia. And if you think about it he was the heat. He was the heater from what he did last month to Captain Lou. Albano what he did to you. Know all those promos what he did to Cindy lauper it. Was You know we were? I know I was paying to see Hulk Hogan kick his ass. You can't just like any great movie any great book anything to Have Great. Baby Fae Superhero. You need a great villain and Roddy Piper was Dave we're not doing audio. I mean we're doing audio but we're not doing video as well are we doing. We're I believe we're doing audio and video. I think I could be wrong. Mother Teresa would have to tell us. Icu But oh look. You've got the hot rod t shirt on all this one out of the closet. It makes my man. Boobs look super big. But I don't care for Roddy Piper Glove and we're actually just doing. We're just doing audio but I but I had to say video because I knew you had something special so I just play. I just worked you there but you make you make you more shirts. Turn look this place up. I don't even have the volume on. Look at this place pop. I was part of electricity. If there wasn't for me they would have had. What was it one thousand nine thousand eight hundred twenty something like that? There's one or two sure. Now you forget because Jimmy superfly SNUKA WAS WITH MR T. And Hulk Hogan in this match and boy. This is really the started. The decline of Jimmy superfly snuka because months before this he was in the feud with rowdy. Roddy Piper Yeah and when you talk about not trusting someone. That's why emits match. They took out snooker. And I believe Mr T. was supposed to be it was supposed to be Hogan and Mr T. or in Some places have said it was supposed to be Jimmy. Snuka and Mr T. but I don't think that holds true but Jimmy got demoted down the card because of he was unreliable and which sucks because it would. It would have changed the face of wrestling history. Yeah think about that. That's crazy now earlier. You asked about you know I was in. Nwea guy. And I wasn't crazy about this first wrestlemainia because Bill Maher in an liberace in all the superstars and everything else you know. Wrestlemania WHIZ. Wwf answer to star Cade Star. Cade was I and this was kind of their answer to that Super Card that was star Cave for the Nwea but this was truly the beginning of sports entertainment as instead of the old school pro wrestling. Yup and Damon. I gotta get back to that question. What you talk about this. I'm getting goosebumps and I don't need to tap on my arm like the rock does because I haven't seen this. Probably since maybe one thousand nine hundred eighty six first of all. I'm laughing at the old man with the broom in the left corner sweeping debris because if that happened today Vince McMahon would have that man removed as quick as could be. Of course. Paul orndorff just took this old man's broke Alma. God He broke his groom. And now the old man is like like he just sulks because now he's got no br. I guess he figures my days over now. I don't have a broom. The work with that. That is a union worker at Madison Square Garden. Ladies and gentlemen. Oh now this is what you hate it you and I did too man. I didn't think you know as wrestling fans we don't liberace should serve no purpose and I believe he has a little tingle bell that he will ring cert- shortly if I didn't see any of this because I remember having to go back and watch it because I was pretty high up. There was no screen. You just watch it as it was happening. Look at act. Body of Poland are my God. He was an amazing shape. Hogan and Mr Teague gone up against Rowdy Roddy Piper Paul orndorff. Jimmy snuck in the corner of Hogan. And Mr T. and ACE BOB or in the corner of Roddy Piper and Paul orndorff and this is old school too in the fact that in they probably changed it on the wwe network but when Hogan came to the ring it wasn't real American. It was either Tiger Tiger baby. I remember me the Tinkle Bell. Say Tell Ya Ya liberace. I also saw a bill after a Georgia Palestinian. Look at how everybody is just packed and jammed in. Have you ever been into the garden when you were a younger? No I go into New York would be like going to Tokyo. They never they never wanted a venture at the New York City so all the wrestling that I saw in Jersey William Paterson College the meadowlands. Of course it was. It honestly wasn't until I was in high school that I I went to see wrestling at Madison Square Garden. My father when he would take me to events he was kind of like the father of the goldbergs. It would be like if we're watching the hockey game at the end of the second period as a kid we gotta go home. We gotta be traffic and I know I WANNA see the third quarter or you know. We leave after the seventh inning. Stretch of a baseball game was way my father would let I would never leave this event. I was glued to this. I also I would like to tell you that I wore Would be the equivalent to mom jeans back then and my hope. I had Australia Polka mania shirt brother. I was so out. You are my. My father didn't like wrestling at all. But the first time he took me Hogan was going up against Dr David Schultz and my father actually jumped to his feet when Hogan's music star playing with Itt Dun Dun Dun Dun. He got out his feet. Who's get into it? I was so proud of my dad when he first got into. Because I knew he wasn't a Fan. I think he became a fan that night watch. We'll look at this. This is such a big fight feel. This is a big fight boxing. Ufc and the intensity that Piper has and this is with an untrained wrestler. Mr T. he's not a russell. He's an actor stuntman. We'd think of this now because you mentioned it first of all look at the time. It's three zero seven in the afternoon. The main event is taking place at three o'clock in the afternoon. But this would never ever happen today like that pop that you heard would never happen for a couple of reasons. One people would have their cell phones out taking video. They wouldn't be jumping up and down screaming and yelling because they want to take video on their cell phones and the other thing. The crowd would be split because everybody was behind. Hogan and MR T. But if this was taking place today the there would be as many fans rooting for Piper as they were for Hogan. Yeah no the build up to this to first of all shape Roddy Piper and man he is jacked and I remember they would do all these vignettes and they only had you know a month really And they were training at Mid City. Jim and then member Hulk and Mr T. were were training in Venice beach and they were doing like all these different workout misty by the way does not know how to lock up but it didn't matter it didn't matter back then to the 'cause you know when we say we were spoiled as wrestling fans of everything in this point is real and it is real mystique. Oh what he's doing. Yeah and Roddy. Piper was exactly. You're going to give any kind of popcorn punches. Mr T. either How but delete up to this match. Because he talked about how big this was. How mainstream WRESTLEMAINIA was leading up to. This is that infamous Spot with Richard Belts or when WH- when bells are when Mr T. And Hogan were guest and and Hogan put put Richard Belcher in the sleeper. Hold any any conked out. Let them go and cracked opened his head. Do you remember that you and this was also on Saturday hosted Saturday night. Live with Billy Crystal and they had that awesome segment with you. Look Marvelous by the way Jimmy. Snuka just went to the top rope. I think he thought it was the finish already. And Mohammed Ali. Get in the ring. It broke down. But you know honestly. It's as simple as this where I and I'm not saying they probably called a lot of stuff. There's Billy Martin he don't care Egypt happy He's hammered this chaos and the everybody is standing around. There's not one person their seats. I was one of them all such. He'll he piper lieven. Dare you do that? You have to referees and neither one of trying to count Roddy Piper out by the way we learn how to do is with audio because then we wouldn't your audio Danielle Maricic and bring up mother. Marissa's WHO's running the board for this show. She could bring up the audio whenever we wanted to now. This is our pilot episode. These are only gonNA get better. I just I can feel it. I'll probably go back and watch this now just to feel the electricity and also too you can use hashtag busted open podcast at open radio for anything more that you want to hear when we do these things to do. You want us to do more calling of the match. Do you want more stories. We listened to the bus open opened. Nation here Tommy. The nation should say what matches they want us to watch. Ooh I think it ad genius you are. I can produce some stuff as well even though we got the greatest producer of all time. Mother Marissa. There that's right here. We go breaking down for two referees yet should be breaking down but it is pat. Patterson doesn't Care Muhammad Ali is lost and I don't think Mohammed Ali right now is looking at the ring. He's probably calling. A Gimmick could get over here we're going to sell job Do you know the only two wrestlers that ever were at Wrestlemainia one and made it to Wrestlemainia as fans you This the only. There's only two right all right. I'm GonNa Guess these gases you and Nunzio you got it. You made it Wrestlemainia twenty which was At Madison Square Garden. And he said it was the happy ever was because his dad who took him to this show and then he got to see his son performance wrestlemainia which is cool. Nice hip toss. That's it actually. You Know Mrs Taylor Looks Pretty Good. Body slammed by Mr Day. We just saw a hip toss array. Cady is on Paul Orndorff. Paul orndorff could sell to. Jeez LOUISE WELL I. Also I don't know why Mr T. who looks again in phenomenal shape. He's blown up and his underwear is showing locale blown up. He is already on the corner. He's he's he's he's always dad. All my gosh. He is so grown to get all. What a bump. The only other person who goes over the back of the way that way is Adrian. Adonis though it's so hard to do that bump nowadays because the roads are so Tight looseness of the ropes but going over backwards like that. You know a lot of guys kinda turned to the side But the the Lusa ropes you and do that. There's somebody's jacket. Yeah that's the other thing. To look at the rain around ringside our our ringside. There's nothing around ringside. All these photographers just random. People police officers like it's it's like Penn station around ringside throwing. Looks like a mosh pit and that's how it should be. There is so many photographers. Muhammad Ali getting involved there. He's there were so many hours. So many extras so many. I mean if you even if you watched going to the ring. All the wrestlers were standing even saw the iron sheik wearing a do rag literally watching the show. And if you follow Brian Goertz that he was the head writer for raw longtime on he wrote a Monday night raw. He particularly did in entranceway old school. Just like that because he saw this Wrestlemainia as a Kid. So he copied that in one of the wrestlemainia matches that were at Wrestlemainia. I'm used to like a lot of photographers that you don't normally see at a wrestling event. Because this was. This was big like we talked before. This was mainstream. Patterson's getting physical with Mr Day. This is crazy. I for two referees. That don't know how to referee. Can we get into real referee in this match? Please but it they talk about eighty w how? Aws doesn't respect the ten second or two five second rule. Look at this is awful. Pat Patterson is refereeing the referee of mohammad-ali the resume. It's a referee. He's telling him to get out of the ring. Meanwhile if Mr T. could ask for oxygen I think he would look at him. He is completely blown up. This is amazing and please pull up your pants. Mr T. come on you're on television. He is so blown up. He doesn't care that he's showing his underwear wearing tidy. Whyte's the first sign if you are a wrestler and the person on the apron is blown up is exactly how Mr T. Leans ropes right now at when you go to wrestling training when you are tired of me and bully ray dude at our you know at at team. Three D Academy when guys get off the ropes get off the ropes. One because of a guy hits the rope. She'll go flying and two it. Just you having a stand there when you're winded is actually helping you get conditioning because of situations like that and we always say what if main event of Wrestlemainia would you be sucking wind like that. I mean you would agree though. Tommy that most people bought a ticket bought a ticket to see this main event. Like you know unlike other wrestlemanias there are some like you know there was some enhancement talent so to speak on this card. You know there was definitely an undercard for the first ever Wrestlemainia. Oh Man King Kong Bundy. St Jones Ricky steamboat versus Matt born. what's his name Tito Santana versus the executioner. Who was playboy? Buddy rose and I totally forgot because I went looked up the results. Brutus beefcake wrestled David Sammartino on this with Bruno in his corner. That's I wow. I completely forgot about that. David Tino I think it was gone from the WWF. About six months after the first wrestlemainia top rope high rent district using the tag ropes. Ladies and gentlemen I love the Tagore's courses balling because he can't even stand over here in a little bit of Jesse the body but to wait a second. That's an illegal tag Tommy to that was your you have to be over the top rope. You can make a tag through the ropes like that. Okay Dave to be equivalent. If you were in Hulk Hogan's partner come on now for wonderful. Paul who did have the tag rope is now getting a wedgie. Look at him. He cannot really can't even stand up at this point and he when you talk about conditioning you talk about you we we all see. Mr T. is probably number one really fighting with Paul Orndorff. Any also has no wind and he's done nothing. And when you talk about excitement and energy and blow your mind will blow you up quicker than your body because Mr T. really hasn't done a lot and I'm telling you bully and I always talk about this. Like about calmed down your because your mind will get racing and then you have no more gas less than you. And we're seeing this where he can. Paul orndorff with that body physically cannot pick up Mr Teague and Mohammed Ali's blocking the heart camera. If this happened today Vince would probably go out and fight. Mom and I'll be leaving. This must have been ecstatic at this point that he knew what a hit. This show was before it was even over well like I said before. I know like talking with Shane. It was like our family. And they've documented this on Wrestlemainia. They put their entire. They remortgaged their home. I remember Shane. Tell me like you members Doing Flyers and posters with his father and like they knew if this didn't hit the WWE was out of business by the way Mr T. Did nothing and tag back in Hogan because he can't look at him he literally just laid on the on the Mat. Face I or using a front face lock where Piper was probably telling him to breathe and then probably said go. Make the TAG. Because you're doing look at him. He's as for those who are watching along with us. Mr T. is on his knees outside. The ring on the ring is doing up. You go right now and we're hearing like mother. Mercer turned up the volume for a second year here. I forgot that it was Jesse. Ventura and gorilla monsoon doing the commentating because it was normally for these shows on home. Patterson and gorilla monsoon patrons the referee. We're going home. Jimmy Snuka jumped in early. Your comes boom. I get up Marissa. Turn up the volume on Jimmy in the ring. It absolutely nothing to help anybody. Well honest Jimmy. Snuka ran in the ring and headbutted Bob Morton and then got thrown out which did not thing. He blew his spot or he came in just too early he was supposed to or deliver that. And then Bob Us snuck gets rid of him with to freeze totally out of control. Oh Oh Pat Patterson just go sucker padres Roddy Piper to keep his rowdy Roddy Piper attack user. And if you remember the aftermath of this was Paul Orndorff then turned on Roddy Piper. Wise Mr T. caring about poll orndorff right now. Because he's just a gentleman. He's a sportsman started. 'cause this started the story time this is where you started. These are certain little drops of the evidence that he was gonNA turn baby face now if you think about look at that guy right there and his body how he went from top. He'll top baby-faced back to kill him and Roddy Piper never held the WW e heavyweight title. I don't even know I'm trying to think Poland have never held any title in the wwe. No he was never an intercontinental champion or anything like that happen and what? An amazing wrestler doesn't know what's gone and by the way this is the end of the show for the crowd and everyone was happy. Mr T. literally did nothing. I think that was a worst performance than I mean. Lawrence Taylor by far blew him away but also tells you how great of a worker Bam Bam bigelow us because that was the last time I guess after this. We saw another celebrity. Enter and have a match like that. He know. What's crazy is that you just mentioned. This is the end of the show number. One you mentioned about Mr T. One thing that Mr T. did do though is set up that story with Paul Orndorff by helping him up off the mat so that was the one. Good thing Mr T. did in this match and the other thing you're talking about the show is over to. This is the last batches is the main event wrestlemanias over. Not One person in the crowd is leaving now. I want to see Hogan pose. I also remember this being on the eleven o'clock news across the board on all this one wolf always did New York on. I believe he was. Cbs But every channel had this and then in the newspaper it was the next day too and it was. You know pitchers they would just do results. But it was pitchers. And that's the vision. Because look at it. You have liberace. Muhammad Ali Billy Martin all in the RING WITH MR T. And it's all these mainstream stars Surrounded by these crazy pro wrestlers yet mister. You did nothing lie. Did I love you so much? I have a picture of me and Mr T. hang on it's right behind me you really now Mr Tay come on now Tommy Dreamer look at that you got you. GotTa Post that on social media when we when this when we dropped this one for the for the nation because they got to see that. That's amazing cat. And so you are unbelievable. Dry keeping displayed. I'm very very proud when I used to love. District has doll and his performance was horrible. I don't remember how bad he was. Yeah you did. Nothing surprising vomit on him showing. The answer like here comes the finished. Pats distracted the referee dozen. See this. It's with the case that the cast which what which just happened one month earlier. Jimmy broke Bob Morton Czar. That's right that's right born in the back of the neck and Bob Warns Arm did not heal for at least seven eight years. Yeah I mean it's it it was. It was a terrible terrible break another view. Think of how this is how wrestlemanias ending with instant replays a VAT. Oh this is the best it's so simplistic in its form and this is why I love it but here we are. The the match ended five minutes ago. Tommy and still no one has left. Hogan and Mr T. are leaving the building. Okay and and still not one person is left Madison Square Garden. That's over you know you talk about some of the most popular now. They're finally starting to to to venture out a little bit. Now that there's nobody in the ring it's crazy. How big this was. There's me Gene Oakland interviewing OKO GIN AND MR T. After a big victory of the first ever Wrestlemainia Jimmy superfly SNUKA saying brother. Being Gino Kalin was Mr. He's Potsy by his entourage in the back. By the way we also saw a clip. He was a guy who helped. Bring hyper back. That's rich herring. He was part of the ww he was he was then after that one guy we pointed out he became the president of the New York State Athletic Commission and then right after it. Kinda got decommissioned. He he still works. Deputy Great Guy and he does. He handles a lot of The W business. I love rich and I couldn't believe I seen him. I haven't seen them in years while in. This is really wild. Seeing all them being interviewed by the late. Great Mean Jean Oakland's Wwe Hall of Famer. But you know what too when you look at this. You knew there was gonna be a second WRESTLEMAINIA. I didn't think we'd be now getting ready for wrestlemainia thirty six. But it's just amazing how everything grew from this one night. It's unbelievable absolutely and Jimmy Snuka. Whatever he saying we won't make any sense but that's Jimmy and Phenomenal went when you again the wwe was built upon this. It was successful. They try to go bigger the next year when they did the three different places though they were sold out it wasn't perceived as well and then what happened after this was wrestlemainia three and then it was off to the races but I mean could you imagine if this event did not happen we would we w would be out of business and we'll be entirely different business. Look at this hour ending a pay per view with a recap of girl Monsoonal Jesse Ventura normally. It's it's million dollars worth of PYRO denied everybody A Nice glory shot of whoever's The champion and man as times changed now this is ending just like any normal Madison Square Garden Card would end for the WWF. At the time. I mean it's not that much different. I mean you're the guy who pull order broke his group just walking around at the back because he has no. He's using his foot to hype up the ring that is that's a fitting image to end the first ever. Wrestlemainia is that the guy whose room was broken is using his foot as sweeper to clean up the ring at the end of the show. Tommy this was absolutely phenomenal. Opioid fun doing love it. This is a great idea. Thank you everybody for listening. I hope you can enjoy this pure lunacy like me David because it made me a fourteen year old boy and maybe appreciate and love professional wrestling all over again and don't forget wrestlemainia thirty six this weekend. We are going to be the air covering it like a blanket. We're going beyond from three to five on Sunday with our wrestlemanias show. Recap of what took place on Saturday getting you ready for what's taking place on Sunday. Don't forget subscribe to busted open podcast and follow us at busted open. Radio used the HASHTAG busted open. Podcast tell us what you felt about this episode. And then tell us what you want and what matches a moment. You'd like Tommy and I to talk about. This has been a lot of fun time. He thanks so much my friend. All right talk to everybody on the next episode of the busted open podcast. Thanks for listening catches Monday through Saturday. Busted open from nine. Am to noon eastern on Siriusxm Channel. Fifty six the busted open odd cast.

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Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

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Weekly Rewind 1/14 - 1/18

"Speak for yourself. I'm Jason Whitlock. That is Marcellus Wadi that do they're coming up. We'll tell you if my man John McVeigh will keep it rolling. Okay. That's how you. Exercise some playoff being against the patriots this week. But we start every day with a wit locks which about the lion day. We're going to talk about Tom Brady, the greatest American athlete of his generation far. Knock that includes Tiger Woods. Lebron James Serena Williams and Floyd Mayweather, Tom Brady is the Muhammad Ali of his era yesterday with a lot of the sports world predicting the fall of the forty one year old quarterback Brady pulled off a vintage Brady performance against a talented charges defense Brady completed thirty four forty four passes for three hundred forty three yards leading the patriots to an easy victory and their ace straight AFC championship. As just incredible football such a complex difficult game. There are so many variables and the one in done nature. The NFL playoffs makes the streets. Even more improbable much is made it LeBron James eight straight NBA finals appearances. It's an impressive street. But it's not that shocking. Given the NBA's best of seven playoff format it favors the team with the most talent Brady and the patriots have rarely overwhelmed. The NFL with talent they overwhelmed with preparation attention to detail and heart for my money. Brady's careers. The closest thing we've seen to Muhammad ALI'S. I say that because I think Brady and Ali are the all time great champions whose wilda win exceeded their skill. It's easy to get caught up in ALI'S flashy foot movement, brash, talk and dazzling hand speed. But what separated Ali from everyone else was his mind his faith. His resolve Ali one fights. He had absolutely no business winning boxing by its very nature is an imposition of will ALI'S wilda win exceeded George Foreman in Zaire, Joe Frazier's in Manila and Ken Norton's at the. The form Inglewood at the heavyweight division. Boxing is a sport that favors the heaviest hands form and Frazier Norton Sonny liston and Earnie shavers. All had heavier hands than I Li they couldn't match ALI'S heart heart is what separates Tom Brady from his peers hardest. What puts Brady in the same class as Ollie Brady has a bolder on his shoulder. They're good team. And we played a murder this year. I know everyone thinks we suck. And you know. Can't win any games. So we'll see it'll be fun. I know disrespected tiger and Michael Jordan. I believe there will and skill were equal, but in my view, LeBron Serena's skill exceed their will it's Cochet to talk about the heart of a champion. But it matters some athletes have heart in abundance. Others don't it's why a lot of boxers. Don't take Floyd Mayweather undefeated record all that seriously. He avoided the best fighters when they were in their primes Ali fought Frazier, Norton three different times each when it comes to Brady versus the Bron is not really even a discussion after the way, the brand finishes. I didn't Cleveland and performed in his first NBA finals with the heat. Tom Brady is the lone athlete in the same class as Muhammad Ali are joining the desk now. Hall of Famer Eric Dickerson future hall of Famer Tony solace Marcellus. I will start with you are so. Yes. Fair comparison. Ali and Tom Brady. Guy. Let's start with the greatness comparison. He's the greatest athletes generation. Yes. I'll have to agree with you know, argument there. Yeah. Well, if all things are equal in all sports. And we're talking about some of the individuals sports tennis. You brought up boxing. You talk about golf with Tiger Woods about basketball. And obviously football. I have to give the s to the football. Great over any other sport. Just because it's much more difficult to win that championship because you are dependent upon so many more variables and individuals to help you achieve success so football, you can be the greatest quarterback, Dan Marino, and they look around. And you don't have all the other great parts, and you may not have the greatest assets supporting you and the next thing, you know, you don't win that championship. And then you do take demerits. So. Thai. Tiger Woods comes to mind is a close second. Obviously I Li but what Tom Brady is has shown by his career record. And that career record is with so many moving pieces, and he's still they won cost as you said football is a great game of skill a greater game will for whatever reason he is will now only the patriots, but he's wield his coach into being into discussion as the greatest coach ever when his coach has a head. Coach was a losing head coach before Tom Brady stepped on a field all those things considered. I'm with you which wit, Tom, greatest greatest. Go. Hey, ram Basseterre. Komo dog me too. Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback. I I'm gonna give you not. I'm Joe Montana. He's the greatest quarterback. But when you put them in the same breath as my Hamad Ali that's toll is that's different. I mean, how an class all by himself. We're talking about entering in the field cop. I understand understand that you know with without Bill Belichick. Tom Brady's not Tom Brady without no. I I don't think he is. I mean, if you put a lot of if it's like, it's like you put Tom Brady and Cincinnati's braided. We know without Bill Belichick. No. He's not. I think about you say New England before Brady Bill checked before Brady as a head coach at they've been Super Bowl before who do they have they been? They being so he didn't come to meet her. What was Bella checked? Cannot. Six years. Right down the ramp. Talking about Tiger Woods Tiger Woods, revolutionized golf. He changed. It. He changed the way we as black athletes liquor ago. You know, a lot of us like I watch no guard. Nobody wanna go now to Weisgall tiger woo-. Tiger Woods eating change the pay scale of even the golfers. Talk about how to when I'm playing even in a pro am the candidacy man, you can say what you want. Hey, like Tiga hold on. I was right there. Hold on. Let me finish. You might not like tiger. Tiger has changed the way that we get paid. He's changed everything. Right there. We right there until thanksgiving two thousand nine. The. Woods got club by his wife, and you ain't been the same. Talking about because this question first of all Bella check. I think he deserves a lot more credit than what you guys get his record. Without Tom Brady. Tom Brady went down for that season. When when not castle came here had that thing rolling. What do you first of all they did? Well, going to athlete generate. Oh, I don't first of all what are you talking about Athen? Okay. We can't he come. And he have you seen him run the forty we go. Have you seen him dance? Go. Go. I'm talking about. What what do you mean? Accomplishments going skew it's it's not skilled. Okay. Talking about accomplishments. Okay. Well, you say athlete don't Mike. Okay. Apple play wanna wanna get Tom. I play. Jackson. He's a good athlete professional athlete. I love Tom. But I think you have to understand what are the what are the parameters of this hop Goshen accomplishments? Okay. From Compass standpoint you love Tom Brady because I think he's probably the best competitor. I would say he's the best competitor ever because he's willing to take less money. He wants to win that badly that he'll take less money. He's left over one hundred million dollars on the table to win championships in football, as you said, I'm still surprised when you say that that football it's harder to win. I I'm not gonna give Tom Brady all the credit for that. You gotta have great coach. And you gotta have great players around you to win a football game. You can't decide I agree with what you said if he was in Cincinnati all those years or was in buff. Whatever it is clean. He doesn't have those players around him in that great coach. It's a perfect storm. That's going on if there with Tom and Tom make no mistake about it that everything has preparation his wounds to put everything into it. He has. No other life. I believe everything he says all about winning for him. And that coach coach said stats are for losers. I don't think he meant like you're a loser. Like on the playground. I'm in. He's saying literally, you worry about that. And Tom Brady does not care about stats. Never has never will. I believe Bill. Check is amazing. But what I wanna do is just make sure we reset what the conversation is about who is better are who gets the credit Bellichik o'brady. I think it's more Brady dig about it. Bella check had five entire coaching seizes as a head coach and Cleveland and in New England before Brady steps on the field and Bella check wall s'more. He won. Now injury occurs Brady comes on. And all sudden this losing coach becomes a winning coach and Nali winning coast to the greatest of all time coach. And then we sit there says that Tom Brady's legacy takes a backseat to Bella chicks greatness for that. I'm like no recent net. Tom Brady's the one a hill. Bella check more. So than the other way around. We didn't know who Brady was in the pros into he showed up Super Bowl championship first year out there. So all I'm saying is this guy's the greatest, and I'm reluctant to say this because I'm I'm like you wanna. Field in a lock room. Like, it's not a great athlete. But when you add everything up he has to be at the top of that mountain because he has a great and let me put this. Let me put this in as well. I think most people regard Muhammed Ali as the greatest he dubbed himself that you could beat Muhammad Ali in basketball, you could probably out running in the forty, but he's still regarded as the greatest that's the conversation. We're having about Tom Brady is not about who was the fastest forty is about who maxed out there. Athletic greatness to the utmost and to me, no one I put Muhammad Ali and Tom Brady in terms of Maxine now, their skill whatever. Their God-given towns, I'd probably put Jordan right there with him. But Jordan just had so much to me. He's more talented than Brady and Ali. And this to me, there's something about Ali and Brady's will and heart. It just takes them. Into another. No one. And you can't convince me that anybody is the greatest ever. Anyway, not that people call me, the one of the greatest ever, and I would still say that. No, you can make that argument for gronk you can make that argument for Ozzie Newsome for Kelly. What you could make that argument. I you can't tell me and first of all it's just specifically to the sport. I all time. There are great weightlifters that have won Olympic gold medals. That were the best don't, Jerry. We don't talk about them on the Jerry Jerry Rice got the most out of his body. I think he wasn't the fastest wouldn't the strongest look what he. I just don't understand Jiri assistant in. I put you put me put me Cleveland, and you. Nicks. Thank you, Eric. I'll get your good example. You just say I was in Indianapolis when I went to Indianapolis from the LA Rams changed because that system didn't fit me to say that system fit in LA that system was Tena maple in four years. I had a woman over eight thousand yards in four years when I went to Indianapolis it dropped off. Now, my skilled and drop all but the guys around me air, I say this with great affection. Great respect. That same thing could be you weren't the kind of lead at Tom Brady as a running back as a running. I didn't matter flipped you to quarterback. You're not the kind of leader. And neither was I knew was a lot of the people. I work. I'll say look I I never wanted that that that that on my back. I went out. I was not that Rah Rah guy. I got it. Hey when you call me, my number. I'm gonna do my I'm gonna be there on time. I'm gonna do my part and some that's and that's why I believe in preparing for football. What's the greatest? What's your favorite food? What's the best Hakko all tackles food of all time? Tacos for you. It is to me and be different for you. It'd be different to say this is why this quoting there's no, right? You know, why? Because in all respect, we're sitting here ranking football players your four on three that's solid Iago had to fight for number one overall. Right. So when we make these arguments mazing that when we're climbing up and saying who's the greatest we stopped short of saying degrades, you know, that I was better than willa. You know, you better than me. You don't know better airing you'd better Tony? But maybe I will go to one point is we can have this conversation. We can lock it in on one guy. We got to go walking into custom luxury campact because of what you did into position to the game. You can't have in. You know, you can have an opinion for sure that's all. But I'm just saying for me, I'm going to say, yes, Don, what about Peyton Manning? Don's. And not have an opinion. I'm not gonna don't do that. Don't do that. What I'm saying? Is you wanna dot man? I might be at a party with Tom Brady, man. I might be at a party with Peyton Manning. I'm gonna die this issue. Naza dodge at all. Who would I wanna play with all time ever? I I'd probably say, yeah. Tom peyton. I was. Favorite quarterback? He's not greater. Joe montana. I'll play with him in the Pro Bowl had the luxury. I'm like man can throw the football. Golly. If I had this, you know, and you said it best you say the best. His who you think like people say Jim Brown's graded air, you'd agree. I never said look, I it pinzel who you like who you saw play thirty twenty thirty eastern peak. Here's Tom Brady who first of all they're things that separate accomplishments and air. There's the accomplishments matter your having the record for the most yards and individual Caesar that matters when you get into debate about or berry Sanders. Yeah. And people go either way, but you can judge people's accomplishments. We've never seen other than to me. I'll e seen a guy with this level of accomplishment, overcome the kind of odds against opponents. The charges to me were the better team. But Brady has been a part of a stabbing a culture in New England that it doesn't matter. If you're better than them, you better show up more prepared than. Them. There's a problem, and that's the same thing. Muhammad Ali had and that's why a this generation. He's the league what makes him. So Tom is a great quarterback. I still believe with him. And Bella check it makes even greater you as he wouldn't be timing. I loved undead made. What you got that you go both working together. You take one away. It's a different mix a lot of people easy to work with and to me that undermines their compliments people have said about me hard work with. That's. Ought of. What makes Brady great? This has been the perfect storm. Those guys finding each other. Brave Beleta Brady he was lose it without Brady Brady say don't put that on me. I know military is sitting here and he cared, which I don't think he cares. He'd say. Well, look at my record. When Tom wasn't there? Does look at when it comes in when Garoppolo comes in. We've we still row we wear whatever it is. They went they went to the playoffs. They won eleven games with Matt Cassel stuff. Angela the playoffs that year they won eleven games. So you're right. Are they better team with Tom yet? Tom is one of the greatest of all time. I in fact, I'll take back my answer now. Because what I said before. Yes, I'm picking Tom if I'm starting to franchise in NFL history. Probably start with Tom Brady be cut not because of his skills on the field because of automobile what he brings his leadership, and then his ability to say, I'll take less money. So we can build a championship. When you win rings with jail five open. Five open. You've just agree with me. Why don't you go through all that trouble? Though, because it's still I'm still not going to say he's I would not take away your answer saying, you're wrong. If you say Muhammad Ali or Tiger Woods or anybody else or Serena or tiger anybody. But I can't say the wrong answer though. I could I mean, I'm not gonna pick on anybody. But you know, there's a guy could say you like do that doesn't count. So it's amazing. It's okay. To say that about a guy who doesn't have enough accomplishments doesn't have enough to their resume where you like he's not. He's not qualified, but then within qualified quarterbacks Joe, Montana, Peyton, Manning, etc. How can we kiss can't give one the crown for me? If you're forcing me to answer that and I'm not saying you have to believe that. But if you're forcing me to answer Tom Brady's enough already that he is. With lock and Notre 'Damas Wiley. I was and you know, what I forgot you forgot I forgot I had it. I forgot what forgot if you won. You forgive. How? Joined now by ram Basseterre Eric Dickerson. What does that you got around your neck? Bees. And the NFL networks Bucky Brooks are let's move to big story right here in Los Angeles. Where the Rams beat the cowboy Saturday night to advance to the NFC championship game. My favorite coach, Sean McVeigh had a brilliant game plan. Running the ball down Dallas his throat with both Todd Gurley and C J Anderson rushing for over one hundred yards and not only that the Rams usually pours. Run defense completely shut down. Zekiye Elliott holding the NFL's leading rusher to just forty seven yards this gang blew me away. Because I thought hey, the Rams might go out there and exit. Oh it up and just put on offense of show. But to me. This sounds silly. But Sean McVay watching this show and say I'm gonna show Jason with like real football. Because there's no not because I knew the GAC draw up. I didn't know he could control men, and that's what he did. He took this. You know, what they think we Hollywood glitz? They think we saw let's go out and on we can be Dallas at they own game. That's crazy. You say that was he watching this show because that's my dog. That's my man. You know in the locker room they had a little package of of clips and things that they show to get them pumped up. So let's take a look at that. Rams right here. Rams coach Sean McVeigh is starting to remind me of the last five foot seven bomb shelter emerged from nowhere ride a wave of unprecedented, height and briefly rock. The sports world is Sean McVay. Ronda Rousey is brother from another mother, cute and cuddly full America every single time and McVeigh might be football's Hannah Montana and Gary Coleman rolled into the same head slit and playbook. Yeah. Coach out you. Car. Dash you had him on tennis. They would Hollywood's and no, no, no, let's make make a left. Hey BUSTER, right right here. They figure role on the way. On the Cowboys in lift them, boys up. So we'll watch what you say people watching man I hear I was blown away. Man. You know, what I've been saying all week. I said it all last week run the football run the football. The Cowboys have a good defense. But if you run the full the foot run, the football sets, everything, you know, C J Anderson is the best pickup that we could possibly have gotten because Todd Gurley. I still think he's a little bit hurt and CJ a downhill running anytime you have two hundred yards and a playoff game. You should win. The football game was standing at Washington game. They would dominating. And I need dominating the Cowboys defensive front. I'm like, no if we don't turn the ball over at all we don't win this game. And that's what we did. I mean, I think what they have done is they've stumbled into a recipe that could really make into champion at the end of it CJ Anderson coming over his given them they're down here running game. And when you look at. Girl, Utah girl, he's really at his best running on the edges and so Marcellus. You remember how that all Alice Gibbs office of line with the Denver Broncos whenever running dissolve and their cut blocking. When I'm looking at the Rams and how they were slice into the Cowboys. I was like, you know, what sometimes we forget. They McVay is Mike Shanahan disciple. And this running game is problematic because they cut you on the backside and you notice the Cowboys are beginning to tap out and steady dose of CJ Todd Gurley. Takes the pressure of Jerry Goff. The Rams tough. They may have found a winning recipe may I don't think the really the saints have a chance, and I know I'm going way too far the other direction, but but that was the most dominant performance of the weekend. The score doesn't indicate a one possession. It wasn't. That was a book with on both sides of the ball from both the offense affront and the defensive front in Dhamma consumes. Okay. I want to criticize. I am in Donald. I'm a problem. And I got to I really think that formula will go up to New Orleans, and they'll put it on the saints as well. Yeah. I agree with the fact that the saints are in trouble right now because that was a fifth rank rush defense you going against this team. They only gave up seventy three yards to the Seahawks the week before and the Seahawks were number one in Russian and they say, okay, we're going to do exactly what they don't want us to do. Which is we're going to run the football. And we're gonna run into the two hundred two hundred seventy three yards as our choses to say, and we used to I had to go against a back to back Bronco years, Terrell Davis Elway, and you you said it coach would say they out there soul snatching because you the first quarter. Everybody's like trying to play stout and plotted discipline gap, and then your knees going into the second quarter, you dealing with that bowling ball. This common. And you you start to rise up trying to tackle the next third. Fourth quarter. You bounce it off those tackles or you don't even want them at all. And that's what happened they were. So snatching out there that entire defense of the Cowboys forget coming back and saying next year. We'll get them. They go out the reset how they attack teams like this. Because that game plan was exposed it beat beating when the big one a big plays in that game that fourth and one when they stuffed it because if you think about this people have been running right down the milligrams defense. What are you going to five point five point one yard rush? And I'm like, I hope they don't run the read option just run it up the mill and when they ramp the mill I think dump dominant suit and Aaron down to me, man, he changes everybody's game plan. You have to change the game plan to me that to me set the tone is way stop when they stopped him right on out thirty five yard line. I say this. This is the game. No. I think that is true. And now we're beginning to see the star power show when it really matters down can sue showed up in the playoff game. Made it play a key to leave coming back really helped him because now Marcus Peters can go back to being kind of like the number two corner in this match at that they have coming up against the saints. And I think is big I think there's something about the stars. They brought over this is why they paid big money to have them because the playoffs are decided by the stars. Your star players have to step up. The Rams have their guys playing well at the right time. Then these are the stars that Jason said that sound can't control control these guys. He's got. Man, they're going to be doing the rest of the new. Did you say that? I was I was there. This is a leader of men to again, the speech you have to give in order to get your team to play that gay just gonna go out here. Monday, these guys. Yes. Eight a that's a hell of a speech. I didn't think he had that. Back with lock Wiley joined now by NBA champion. Dante Jones service move to the NBA where the Laker season his taking a huge turn for the worst. Lebron James went down with a groin injury. LA's just three and seven without the Bron, including bad losses to the Cavaliers in the Knicks. And now Luke Walton is considering a lineup change. But speculation is that the Lakers brass might be considering a coaching change, especially if they lose to the lowly bulls tonight. All right Magic Johnson. When he gave that half-hearted vote of confidence said unless something drastic happens, Luke Walton will keep his job. And you know, what drastic happen? Lebron James went down and say, you know, what I'm gonna come back after Luke is gone. Wow. You're going off with a so. Komo really no not with a groin injury. As soon as he hurt the engine heard his growing. I remembered they showed in zoomed in on his lips. He said I felt it once he said that told everybody room that's a month. That's a month. His as I think you read his live from it. I want pop. Coming back. Probably won't him too. This is weird. This is because Luke Walton shouldn't be graded right now without his best player on his roster about the entire off-season training. I mean, it's bigger than that. Even the world. And you design them would hit. Lebron's focus, then LeBron's gone. And you know, what it is athlete nature. Are we gonna try and play together? But it's time to get those suppress numbers back up. And there is like a lot of individual parts, especially physically defensively is a better team without LeBron. They went to second in defensive rating, but that's not helping them win games. 'cause they're not put up the points. I just say, this is mulligan time. If you're talking about Luke Walton, you do not great guy without his best player on court. Win win last seen team. What is doing the grading? And okay, he doesn't pass the co one thing I know about his character is he if he can play he will play like that's not in the discussion with me in my in my personal opinion about LeBron James because he's got likes to go out there perform play his game, the mind games and control of the organization is not something that he does as a person. It's just that. The media's perception of him is he has an opinion he has his opinion on different things, but it's not necessarily. I'm going to go in and make a make a commandment to to the to the ownership where organization, however is the scrutiny on Luke Walton unfair. Yes. But the scrutiny on all MBA coaches is unfair and the scrutiny right now is not about the performance without LeBron James about about beating teachers supposed to be beating taint that you're better than Chicago, New York. Minnesota Cleveland, they're better than them without LeBron James and the their roster is better than them. They won thirty five games last year. But those those those teams are not winning basketball teams, and you should be able to put together a team that goes out there and communicates and plays defense, and is inspired. And those are things that coaches are judged upon whether he's lost the ear of the team. And we don't know that from the outside the organization knows that if those guys are not prepared and not motivated on a daily basis if they're not responding to him. That's how he's going to be evaluated. Do I think it's unfair. Yes. But that's what that's what your job is kosher. Your job is to inspire lead. Communicate get guys go through and and take care game plans. And if you can't do it without your best player, then then you have to be held responsible summer. So I'm not going to dance. And I'm sure you guys are either delegate and the room is this is not their higher in Luke Walton. So you know, I it is fair when we don't feel you to the degree. We're always looking for evidence to get you out. And is just like right now, this is more ammunition towards that evidence. That Luke Walton is not our God if they were to walk. Lincoln magic league if they would have walked in with the spirit that he is there guy glass half full, then this wouldn't be evidence of that. This will be evidence of MRs a good team close, but they need to star power. Now, we're using this as evidence lukewarm can't command guys because what out LeBron this team came his comments after the Minnesota game. When he said, the guys are not playing hard and communicate and that's your job to get them to communicate and play hard. Honestly and truthfully, and he can he can be judged on those things. Yes. Very very very unfair. And you're absolutely correct. When you come in as GM, and is the president you want your job is to be able to put what you the best product. You cannot there on the floor, and that's coach and players, and you are responsible for hires that maybe not are yours at times in production. This sound critical. But it's not as factual there's a force within the Lakers organization that stronger than everything else stronger, Jeanie Buss, strong and imagine Pelinka wall. And it's LeBron James LeBron James is a force of made. Tre within basketball than than has the solar system and energy source. All it's all and when you take that away. I think it becomes harder to coach Lonzo ball branding. Everybody else on the team because LeBron is your source of power, he Samson's long hair. And so I'm going to go back to our Mona reference day mcminn for me SPN's been covering LeBron for a long time. Here's what he said in a story last Friday while James thirty four could be in line to return in time for the Lakers game against the thunder this Thursday, he will take a cautious approach and is prepared to be out multiple weeks. If that's what it takes to return at one hundred percent of a source familiar with James's thinking told ESPN, and this is where my point Dante win the NBA regular season in January for a lot of guys that ain't one hundred percent NFL mid see a lot of guys eight hundred percent, but they're out there. There. And this is a calculated decision again. I look LeBron wants a different coast. They need to give it to you, can you can speak to this. And after this. When you have injuries when you're older, it's a total different ballgame know they linger and problem with Chris Ball right now is that his stuff is lingering into multiple seasons. And if you look at the landscape of injuries, you have to take your time and take care of your body going. They're playing hurt is not the answer. Most of the time guys go out there and guys have injuries and not one hundred percent. But there's some stuff that can linger and affect what he's really judged upon. And that is the playoffs. You just LeBron James not on his regular seasons. Seagate's? You judge him on what he his his production the playoffs, and if he brings you a championship. And if this is something that could stop that. Then I gotta look at to it and make sure that I'm a hundred percent because me being hundred percent have to be a hundred percent in March and April echoed and LeBron James if he has the power he doesn't have to take the extra time to to use that same power. He can just say, look, this is what I want you guys gonna give if he has that power if he doesn't then this won't work either. Because you don't have the power. This is more powerful than him saying. Anything just sitting out far more poet thirty five win team. In contrast. I don't think it really lands where he wanted to thirty five win team teams always say, you're healthy. When when when you are the judge of your health, your doctor's going to say, you should be okay. But I know when I feel band, I know when my body's not right? And if I'm not, right? I can't go and be me. And if I'm if you LeBron James he seventy five percent, and he's not doing his opposed to where we're gonna be talking about the brand. Jane doesn't hasn't anymore. He can't get it done. And he's not doing he's supposed to in Los Angeles. So I got to be able to do my full job. And I respect that as a man to be able to say, you know, what I'm not ready. I'll do it. I'll do it when I can't. And I'm gonna try to do at the best level rather than just give you a have made excellent points. But I stand by my always we heard a pop. Well, back to the show with locking Wiley March Lehrer TJ zodda, Tom for my favorite sex antisocial. We moved it up a little bit earlier Darnell, couldn't wait. I think darnold got a doctor's appointment later in the weight room. L Smith our social media manager here. Tell us what's happening in the social media world are now what's poppin start off in the NFL where bears Cody parkey went on the today show about his double doing mystery go the eagles during wild car weekend bears fan made it known on Twitter that they were pissed thought he was being selfish even bears head coach Matt Nagy said and locker room talk about a week thing. And that was more of a meat thing. Do you guys have a problem with party going on the today show? I really don't I don't get this controversy at all. You know, I don't think he was making excuses or anything. I don't get the concert. I don't see why too big deal. I think maybe the Chicago Bears fans maybe trying to void a Steve Bartman situation because you know, how he got put out there in ostracize. I'll have a problem at all anybody who's reminding the world that life is bigger than football than games than sports. Don't condemn do. What he went through hail. And he's paying for it. I'm glad he's a drill. We thing is are they we think they're gonna fire him, right? Like, yeah, they fire and the other fifty three they're gonna fire him. I mean, that's what that was the six one point up the upright yet. It's not going to be working there. So why do they care if he goes on? I don't have a problem with it either. It's technically he didn't miss it feel was blocked. Oh, so technically he didn't miss the field goal. I it was do. I have a problem with it. No. He owned up to it. After the game. He said it was his fault. We know that he will no longer be Chicago Bears easing. We know that as well. So he's gonna space out there. Don, L wasn't ex moving onto a training on Instagram, which I know I had to get in on everybody. Was that ole Sav? Everybody participating teen challenge. Pose a period themselves from old nights. And now even says aside of joining on the child's posing as picture of him and his five XL pink polo in a pair of jeans. Disappointed that these Jay's went out of style hail. Yeah. This case either. Jeez. Right. Got the all up top that was a miss. Everybody's doing the challenge and everybody's showing their worst picture from. And they best from now to show that they're not aging. I wanted to flip it a little bit like show, some jeans visa, remember. I was winning back there. But boy, I look a mess. This can we go back to the picture? I got some questions here about. I wanna make. I want to the size of Dr mills head only Barry Bonds, the only. Alzira snus the fat is called cross fit. Not cross fat. Do. Hey, you wit locker lock broke eight hundred. Upper maze. You look good Brown. I don't know. Have you started living? No, not really I thought went around over. Good. All right. Moving on to college football, the cliffs and Tigers fresh all victory over Alabama and the national championship game rather than White House yesterday for visit President Trump the team was heard of a ride at fast food, including Wendy's. Mcdonald's Burger King wished to White House. President Trump pay for out of his own pocket. Now, don't get me wrong. I definitely throwing his down. But Twitter was a little skeptical. The spread are yellow cab with listen at age twenty one twenty two if I walked into a room with Wendy's. Mcdonalds and Burger King and pizza. I'm happy, man. Leads it heaven. Every time you go to a football game in college. You see the keys excited Chick-fil-A excited in and out. What did you say what those big Donald chick? Fillet he'll begun in and out. You'll like McDonald's. I can't remember last time. I had McDonald's. You live American. I don't you can't get a rib eye or a stake of that out booze. Support late six lane out by. I'm going like, I wait a minute. I'm going to the White House. And I'm going to get the same thing. I get it. The suit in union building we have. K seriously government shutdown y'all. Oh mcdonald's. And that double layer Fisher. That you saw. Road that man, I was next on a high sticking with Clinton at the White House a pitcher megaton on their player service on Twitter with the caption. It's Belay billions off me. And all I guy was C T in a Big Mac. The player from the pitcher Matt Bachorz decided clapback saying in scholarship, a Stephen and education, a head coach cares and last but not least national championship ring response to the haters here. Love somebody got adding. I love it. Now. Look, do I think college players should be paid the high profile ones. Yes. But for the majority of the college players like me it works out. Just great. Yeah. I mean, I love his response. But the hit dog hollers, and he did had to respond to clapback. I mean, all the other guys ninety nine percent of those guys in that room will maybe it's Clinton so ninety five percent of those. That's all they're going. Get out of the man, whatever those relationships are and what they can build off connection, which is as in. But. College the best time life, no way, yet is all you see that picture me whenever Rory. Now's the best time. At one or ninety five percent of. Okay. You like I'm telling you, regardless football's give me so much more than it is taken from me and my best friends in the in the entire world of guys. I went to the university of out with barn. Clearly, that's the case for me. I text with my guys from ball state every day. I wouldn't be here without playing football ball state. And I never got a whiff of the NFL. It's a great extent there. It is come by. A group talking about doing thirty for thirty on Oregon state. Rated. You would say oh bishops. Hey, Danny was there Eric's me, Chad, Nick, born netwon we all played over ten years in the league. But one team, you know, if we have somebody from the you here, they'd run off a list of hall of fame. No, no, no, no. Just different excess different. My area made to on that. He's trying to get a footnote. Now last. A herb and got h. Listen. If New England goes to Kansas City and wins this weekend. AFC wave the white flag. I mean, this is the most vulnerable they're ever going to be yellow group calling here. No, we said everybody said this last year when a bit report came out and all the schism issues. That's the most vulnerable they'll be fraction in New England dynasty now this year, they're most vulnerable. You know, what I don't think they care about on ability. They just going to go out there continue to roll, man. I I don't see the patriots being vulnerable until Brady retires and Bella check leave reach. That's when they'll be most vulnerable right now. They still got the gold of quarterbacks and coach's house holiday vote on which you went twelve is not taking snaps. That's as long as twelve is back there. They always got a chance I'm going for the chiefs this week for sure, but. Tom Brady back there. They always got a chance. I think the thing that sets them apart is every year. They lose games early. They lost some late this year. But they do a better job than anybody. In my mind. The NFL is developing players over the course of the season where some of their players the beginning of the year. They're whatever at the end of their. They're actually really good football players coach testament to coaching seriously, anybody interested in Oregon state documentary, come up. Here. He's got a cold. Stay is one. They might as well do one on Boston. Now. That's hey, I'm more famous. Twenty seven losing seasons in a row BCS game. Some oh, man. Thank you. Thank you. Home. Hey. Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley joined by Mark slurs, and Jason zodda, moved to the NFL draft was just added a very high profile prospect Heisman Trophy winner Cuyler Murray. The former Oklahoma quarterback made the announcement yesterday despite already being drafted in the first round to play baseball by the Oakland A's American still to go she ate with as if he wants to pursue a career in baseball. And there are still big questions about the undersize Murray and how he would adjust to the NFL game. I think this is a brilliant negotiating ploy by Scott bores, his baseball agent. Okay. I don't see Cuyler Murray as a serious NFL prospect. He's a tremendous college quarterback five foot eight I'm just five foot nine I just can't pull if I'm a team. I can't pull the trigger. I've seen. I think that's a whole five foot nine is a completely different ballgame than Russell Wilson. Or Baker Mayfield. It's is this kid better than Doug Flutie and Doug Flutie had an okay NFL career, not his fault solid NFL career, though better. I think he's negotiating with baseball for better baseball contract. And I think that's his best board play with Flutie flakes. It's not a problem. Turns of your height. Look, I will say this. There's limitations at times drew Brees has limitations at times. You you bring pressure up the middle ju- breeze in passing lanes not as affected. So we get that. But five eight to five ten five eleven obviously you rather be taller, but you can still play the game of football play with joke. Flutie when he won ten gains Pro Bowl and the play offs, and he perform well now that said Hoi, I would love for that to be my son in that position to have these two options. These these two opportunities I would tell him. Look. Here's a pros and cons in both situations. However, I would root for him to go to. Football because you always fall down to baseball. Tim Tibo who did play baseball highschool is damn near a pro. If he wasn't injured last year. Probably would be a pro right now be met. So the athletes system in baseball. We all know is a little less than it takes to play the game of football in your prime years in the years where they're still trying to get you and put their claws on you into football world take that opportunity if that doesn't work fall down baseball. I think that I think that playing major league baseball a lot harder than playing professional football a lot harder to get in. And the statistics bear that out. I mean one you're playing against the world. You're not doing that here in America playing football. There's fifty three guys on our Australia's twenty five active guys on a major league baseball roster. You sign this deal in baseball. You're gonna spend the next three or four years right around bus in the minor leagues. Then when you get in to professional baseball when you after you get to that you get to the majors. You've got three years of major league service without going down. You can't be sent down the miners that the clock starts ticking. If you get sent down it's no longer ticket does back. So you've got three years to be able to get to your arbitration year. And then if you're not a superstar, you're arbitration, you're you've got one year of money that you're gonna make and then you hit free agency. So you're going to be seven years essentially out before you have a chance to sign a contract after the signing bonus you have two contracts in the NFL, maybe working on your third contract and the NFL he's gonna be a first round draft choice. And he's rated in in the bottom in the twenties. But that means you're gonna get elevated up in the teens at the very least in the National Football League. You're gonna make fifteen you're probably gonna make twenty some million dollars just to sign your name on a on a on a contract, and you're gonna get another opportunity for years from now to resign. A deal of is a four year deal with the option of the team if you play well, you're going to get an option you're gonna get that option contra. In four years. So if he's the first round, I'm playing football. And I've I've thought about this. I've kind of looked into this what you said he could possibly be twenty nine thirty years old before he's a free agent in baseball. If it goes if he's in a minors for two or three years, and they have arbitration system in baseball look at Bryce Harper. Manny machado. They can't even get a ten year deal in their two best players in baseball before he's up for a second contract in baseball. He could possibly make what you said at least thirty million dollars playing football. If he's a good player. He doesn't have to be great. He'll sign at that time for twenty one twenty two maybe twenty three million dollars a year as a quarterback. It's an end. He's a star. He won a Heisman Trophy. He's a star in football. He goes and plays baseball bus trip in a minors. He's not a starring more. Your doll. Art. So for me, go play football if it doesn't pan out. All right. I'll go try baseball. Again. That's what I would do. Oh, I can't decide of pollen cabinet. They world class Twitter troll or world class attention board. I go back and forth. I know what he's not. He's not a serious activist fighting for racial equality. He's not the modern day. Muhammed ali. He's not even a poor man's my mood. Do rove. Eileen rove had real beliefs that by religious conviction cabernet just wants to be famous. That's the only explanation for the controversy. He and his girlfriend nessa are stirring around the NFL Super Bowl. Halftime performance. Rappers Travis Scott in big boy are being vilified by the Bonnie and CLYDE of social Justice warrior for green performance Super Bowl fifty three earlier this week variety reported that Scott consulted with Mutombo Ali. I'm sorry cabinet before green to shout. Mostly inaudible words into a microphone during. Halftime of America's biggest television show slash sporting event. Well, now today TMZ has unearthed indisputable Twitter evidence that cap doesn't approve of Scott's performance. Capri tweeted, a New York radio host who tweet it cap did not approve of this bull bleep get the bleep out of here. Nestle also retweeted the radio host. But I'm Mike her highly reluctant to speak boyfriend. That's added worse to her re tweet facts, they need to stop lying. TMZ also reported is earlier tweet labeled big boy a sellout from performing. She added. If you're with them, you're definitely are not with us a step back in examine the childishness and their certainty of the whole thing. Remember when you were in grade school, and you pass notes rather than tell someone what you really think. That's what all this tweeting, and re tweeting is cabernet doesn't have the courage to stand up and speak like a man or woman, he re tweets or. Let's Nestle or the caper. Knicks talk Ford, why not hold a press conference and explain publicly to everyone how Travis God's halftime performance will harm black people. Also want you to consider the capita seven elected themselves as the arbiters for black racial loyalty necessary gyp Shen, she's not black cab, as you know is mixed race and was raised by the very lovely. All white capper Nic family, somehow we've allowed this unmarried seventy five percent not black power couple to masquerade as the new millennium Martin and Kereta or Malcolm and Betty Shabazz. They get to call big boy a sell out and shame Travis Scott for doing exactly what cabinet wishes he was doing in two weeks playing in the Super Bowl. Can we stop? This this cap realize on Super Bowl Sunday all the players we've wearing Nike uniforms has cap ass Nike. To not provide uniform for the Super Bowl. Can we get a detailed list of who does and doesn't get to participate in the Super Bowl should the black players on each team? Boycott the Super Bowl common cabinet has been throwing a tantrum from the moment. San Francisco gave his job to Blaine gabbert. He's mad. NFL ratings have recovered from his first publicity stunt. He now wants to damage a couple of black rappers with his latest. Hey, look at me stunt, this is the behavioral spoilt child, not a freedom fighter. Join the desk now or FOX fell analyst Mark Slater, and James Harrison Marcellus I'll start with you. This is all about attention. I said it from day one three years ago when this started, and I say it again today. This guy's just wants to be famous. This has nothing to do with any sort of. 'cause I I agree with your essay damn near wholeheartedly, and I'm reluctant to be in that place. Because we all know that there's a cause that capita standing for or kneeling four, and then there's a career that has been lost in part because of what cabinet did to himself, and what others have done to capture Nick reaction NFL owners. So I have to separate the calls from his career. And once I do that and your essay eloquently puts you in place to realize cabinet is now turned into a comedy of errors. I is really a mishandling of the cause because you could be four two calls capper, Nick nessa, but I'll from the calls, you know, from what we're talking about social injustice, and it's not a badge of honor. I walk around with. To show everyone that look I'm from it. But I've been through it, man. And I know what it looks like when it's real when it's off thin. And I think what happened was not your essay it was to imply to tell big BOI from Outkast to even have a reference that he's a cell up. That caused the that's daddy fast. Sex wanna rise the Cadillacs stays down for the streets because he's streets. Whereas folks, but I know that some say pro black. He says professional people don't understand it ten fifteen years ago sold is coming and you look at them. And they're one of the reasons why we have so many different context of culture, so many different complex culture, so many different varieties coacher and now capping nessa wants to be monolithic check in with cabinet to do what that's your career choice. And that's what you're going through. And we're gonna separate from the plight and a cost because Scott don't check in with him. Trump's got even said, I'll have to check in with cat and big boy certainly doesn't have to check in with cap. If big boys are sell out NF Nestle wants to say that if you're not with us your gifts, this if you wanna have that childlike behavior, you draw the line, I'm not gonna stand on the side with you. If you're gonna put a big boy from outcast, and you're gonna point. Others who are not expressing it the same exact way as you are. And now damn them the damn me because I am not for this. I'm for the calls because I'm from the cost. And I wish that they would get their understandings in the line with the cost. Definitely Donald feel like he should be these anything. I don't see how you could tell them another grown man exactly what it is that he should do or how he should approach a situation. You know, he did what he did. He made a deal where they would donate a certain amount of money to causes for that. And to sit back and and make like he has to ask permission or get your permission. You know? I haven't had to ask for missing since. I was eighteen years old my baddie, you know, my daddy. He's gone, and my mom, she's still around. But even to this day, I'm grown, man. She'll give me advice. But at the end of the day, I don't have to get her permission to do anything. So for you to be a stranger and to tell another grown man that you know, he needs to be able to come come to you. And have you are cert- what he's doing say. It's cool for you to do that. It makes no sense to me like this whole era everybody believing they're bigger than what they are. They wanna be more than what they are is ridiculous. You know, I think one of the things and one of the things I loved about being a locker room, I will life is we could break down barriers, and we could break down the issues of race in the issues of religion and the issues of politics and just care about one another and just play for one another. And ultimately, there's a lot of people in this world that are doing a lot of good. There's a lot of NFL players that are doing a lot of good in the realm of social injustice being in the communities in working and doing that this to me seems to be just a dividing factor. Let's continue let's within the cause of social injustice. Let's divide that cost like that's not bringing people together. That's dividing people even further and that's for me. Disappointing part of watching this whole thing. Play out. You know, I look at what's happened to him. And do I think he's better than some of the guys in the National Football League? Absolutely. Do I think he'll humble himself enough to say yell take a backup? I'll do what RG three did in Baltimore and say, I'll mentor young guy like Lamar Jackson, and I'll work to get my career back. Like, are you willing to do that? I'll take it a step further. Are you are you like Tim tebow who's had multiple jobs multiple offers to change positions or to go to the Canadian Football League and say no, I just wanted to be a quarterback? So now, I'm going to be a baseball player. Like, what are you willing to do to get your career back? Are you willing to go to to be a backup to the point? Where you're no longer have the go to Canada. Well, you don't have where you don't have the platform anymore because being a backup quarterback in the National Football League doesn't give you the platform to to be the spokesperson that you are right now. So I would just say I don't like the division within what's going on here. And just feels like as a country, we are such a divided people right now. And I've always said the thing about the locker room, our strengths are our differences. That's that's what makes us. Great. Just I mean as football players people like the the greatest strength. We have is people is the fact that we are wonderfully created made the image of God. And we're all different guy. Could you imagine? How unbelievably boring life would be if we were all the same gifted with the same with the same things that leads me back to the whole situation with the with the kneeling, and where the Stiller's we had our situation in Chicago where we were trying to decide. We wanted to do, you know in you know, we decided that we couldn't Neil because we had a guy in there that was at Honda villain, the Wavell and he served time in the military in hours. Like, you know, what I've set there with eighteen nineteen year old man who believed in everything that that flag stood for and they died for that. And he was like for me to go out there on the stand. What you're representing as far as trying to make it aware of social injustice. He is. But I can't do it. Because of that he was like guys just sat there and hailed guys in Washington die, and we understood like, okay? He can't knew it was you know, maybe a few guys that wanted to nail. So we're like this. What we do. We're just gonna stay inside. And we're going to move remove ourselves from the situation. I mean, it didn't work out that way. But that's what they're came down to. I just wish that capper Nic or capper Nick supporters, but primarily just. Caffeinate explained to me why the Super Bowl is being set up as the line in the sand. And why halftime at Super Bowl is the line in the sand that I'm going to watch it, but I get it. But again people want the game. And so that's what makes me say this is just a publicity stunt because show me how whatever transpires at halftime. How does it? Stop the oppression. You're talking about the injustice you're talking about. How does it make one black child born in the poverty or even born into how does it improve their life? If Travis Scott are big boy don't perform or if there's some sort of controversy around halftime of the Super Bowl. How does that move the cause forward? The only calls. It moves forward is captured as calls, and this is where I've been from day one. And nessa to me her one of her tweets answers every question for me. She's there is no mutual respect and their news. No understanding for anyone working against Colin Kaepernick, period. She didn't say there's no mutual understand. There's no understanding for anyone working against the calls of black and power. It's capper, Nick. That's what I've been saying from were go. This is always been about capper Nic, not the calls. This is in her own words. Yeah. That really offended me brilliant, finish highly miscalculated tweak to now a line in full marriage capper Nick with the calls. There are so many other soldiers out there, including big boy into Trevor Scott half a million dollars donated just for going to the Super Bowl. We don't have to all do it the same way to get it done. Sport. Right. Isn't that? What makes it what it's beautiful though is everybody's doing everybody's doing something different. You know, the guys who are the people were involve are doing it the way that they're comfortable doing it. And there's nothing wrong with that. So basically, if you're not with capper NICKY, you don't do it this way. This could go a lot of places. So if you don't new are you yourself, you got to you're not doing his way. You gotta bring it works. She just according to right there with them against them. You have no mutual respect like enlightened black people nuance. Black people who are not sitting there extremes and trying to be so polarizing, but really trying to be effective is laughing at this that loud minority on Twitter online. That is get you gassed up and drunk on your power you need to calm down. And really first of all when you from it, the voiceless, powerless growing up in seeing it like that trust me man, we need a -ffective resources to come back here. We don't need. Joe, hyper re tweets and likes and clicks that may be part of your amunition to get your platform to a greater place. But now, there's a greater responsibility. And I'm not seeing that when you take shot at other soldiers in the same fighters shoot that freely fire. It doesn't it doesn't. Marcellus while we're joined now by NBA champion, Dante Jones, moved to the NBA where the warriors put on a show last night. They record setting fifty one points in the first quarter of what turned into a one forty two one eleven route of the nuggets the warriors took over first place in the west with the win afterwards. Kevin Durant ass was asked if the Golden State was making a statement. And he said, quote, no, I think they know who we are. Yeah. I think he was making the statement was we can flip this witch. Whatever we want to and we will lift this flits switch when we want to. And I can't argue with them right now. Switch that. He's right. K these right? That's that's that's a level of gangsterism right there like making state. This is like he likes status for people. You don't know about you know, we are done doubters baby. We're going for three in a row, and that is amazing. He has that kind of jitter mind skill over of their teams other opponents, but here's a real. If you look at the Golden State Warriors did. They they intentionally poured it on thick on the nuggets who were number one. See they basically wanted you to know know, what should gain confidence even in regular season moments. Like, we really needed to see Keenen ivory way is just Papa say message. That's what that was a message. Not so much statement. Like, oh, we've arrived or hit the switch just remind jaw who's the best. And they are it was their first maturity to hunt and that's good for them in season right now, they got a chance to go against the number one seed and showed their dominance. They are the favorite to win the championship by by far. Now they've shown some chinks in their armour along during the season. And they still have some things to figure out what boogie cousins coming back, but they are the most dominant team in basketball right now. And they showed it last night. And they got a chance to get excited for game finally within the season. And that's what it's about. That's the best part about him yet. The thing you said is interesting is bull. You will be back. I think Friday changes every, but that's not good changes. Everything just changes like it just change like boogie is used to having the ball in his hands. Boogies not a facilitator, but he's a scorer. He's a rebounder. He is not his his deficiencies were his pick and roll defence and his ability to guard at the basket. And that's. Something that they need and they're one of the best switching teams and can switch and guard the ball coming back from injury. So he changes there. He changes how they spread the ball out. And how to get him touches they have to get in touch because he demands because talent level demands changes or benching we don't know is up in the air. It could be good. It could be bad. I don't I don't see boogie who's trying to get a contract going in there. Just feeding other people and trying to get them setup. Because in his numbers won't satisfy the criteria to get a MAC so video we're going to get coming up injury. So we don't know would you just don't I don't think it is money, regardless. We thought that last off season, but he was going to get his money, regardless. And he had no suitors had to take a little bit of humble pie and go find the right team for him. So we so it's not a definite. Because they're young teams kept space and you got to find the right dynamic for boogie. Like, it's not just throw. He's not LeBron James. He's not he's not Paul George. He's not Russell Westbrook. He's not a going to everybody's gonna give them. In the mex-. Wow. Well, the doubters singular. Because he has he has one yet. Why am I give you money? Have you have you shown winning it? That's what you give the money for winning. Mm is blown now. Because I was on a high for what I saw going stages resetting the landscape in that only. I don't think boogie can mess up. What we last night? There's no way. I don't I really don't because they'll just sitting back down. I'm not saying he's gonna mess it. They'll just sitting there and get it twisted. And yeah, are they gonna sitting down? Are they going to deal with unhappy? Boogie is gonna go out. Draymond green is great to me because he'll go out there and have zero points, ten rebounds. He'll be happy with eight assists dominated the game on a defensive in. And that's how I got. That's not how booking himself, and that's not how he's been doing it throughout his career. So we don't know what he's going to give we need to be patient because we do goes back on Friday against the clippers. We know that's not gonna go whale. So after they play the clippers then we could just don't be. Let's move to Dallas Jerry Jones already made it clear he's committed to Jason geared for the foreseeable future. But might be looking to shake things up elsewhere earlier in the week geared walked back his claim that offense accord. Native Scotland Lenihan with definitely be bet. And now it sounds like Jerry is keeping his options. Open saying, quote, you've got to look at what you're all. Turn. It is. I'm I'm pro the Cowboys tweaking their coaching staff in particular offense coaches there because I I thought that made some progress second half a season, but not enough for me to stay committed. I think they can do better than Scotland hand, I think they can diversify this offense, even more. I'm like, Jerry. I think Jerry has his eye on someone that he thinks may pop open, and so they need to keep their options open and make that move available. I like, the consistency. I like them keeping this coaching staff. One more year gimme Amari Cooper in a training camp. Let me get entire off season with him look at the numbers of before. And after and turn the points per game day improve total offense pass rush. Third down percentage. Really? They went to forfeit the NFL all the way from twenty ninth before Mario Cooper got their Dak Prescott did improve. They were eight three went once Amari Cooper was on a roster. Everything improved physically and that was. As in the previous season. So I'll say give me Amari Cooper and season. Let's see what we do. I would say keep it the same. I think now understand that it's got Lenihan, and I major university of Idaho. So I'm a little bit biased. Breakdown here. But that Prescott second best seasons ever had completion percentage. Second best sees abra had twenty two touchdowns. Second best. He's ever had passer rating. Here's what I would say what you have to understand is dad Prescott strengths coming into to his career. We're really about his physicality is ability to run his ability to do zone, read stuff and get on the edge. The now the prime of your quarterback and career starts after your thirty two. You won't get to thirty two if you allow him to play like this. So I think this is mostly by design you're asking your coordinator, grow a quarterback who's primary skill coming out of college was his physical attributes not his football kind of passing accurate. So I think this is part and parcel of what you're trying to do. Because think about what's going on in Carolina right now, we have seen one of the greatest athletes of our time in Cam Newton twenty nine years old, Dave Tepper. Their owner has talked about him sitting out next season the twenty nine thousand nine season because. The body is so beat to a pulp you cannot survive. It's not a long term survival. When you play quarterback that way. So I think this is by design by that coaching staff by Jerry Jones getting into his prime your prime than start as quarterback anymore till you're thirty two years old used to be walking out of the league at that time. So way the game is designed now. So I say keep the staff the way it is. Yeah, I agree. Well, being America's team. This is this is there a lot of pressure is just how it is. You don't know this unless you're a cowboy looking from the outside in is it the coordinator or or does that have enough ice? And you know, he he has a cake, but he's has enough icing to to make this make this thing happen and go all the way. So you know, that's yet to be seen. But they have potentially to do great things on offense, obviously with the line and the way Zeke Elliott runs the ball. But i'm. For me, personally, maybe that needs to get a little bit better or change up to the coordinator job. But at the same time, if you keep them all together the longer they are together the better there will be like DJ's point to me about Dak needs to get a little bit better. Nothing. That's would Jiri why he's still like I'm not so sure Jason Garrett and these guys have stay. Well, we think we did great. We went eight and three once we got Amar Amar this Amar that if we have a mar and Jerry sin BAC saying this ain't good enough. I put together a team that I don't he in his mind shouldn't have gotten embarrassed by the Los Angeles. Rams, but that wasn't axe fault. I mean that that game the reason they're there in Kabul right now is not on deck stat defense. And look if you want to improve Prescott is gonna happen. Two ways. One he continues to improve in season do his thing and turns mechanics relationship Amari Cooper to this draft draft receiver like I mean. I love the draft the last couple of drafts Dow's, but it's time to stop playing de que Metcalf. Omiss six four thirty more receiver some say he's gonna go mid late twenties. Please somebody you AJ, bro. Somebody get him another number one receiver to put everyone in their proper position too long. They were gonna Kobe's -ly as they're down few threat. And then we're in Dighton deck Preska who say needs to get better. But give them more to work. I I would also say you wanna look at it coaching staff and their defense was pretty phenomenal this year, but you get into a game against the Rams where the Rams base everything out of a wide zone there. Eighteen nineteen handled eighteen nineteen pitch. Eighteen nineteen toss. That's what they base out of. And then you're going to try to run games and run blitzes against zone team. You will get gashed one hundred percent of the time. And the fact that you didn't change that up and you gave up almost three hundred yards rushing. You can't do that against zone. Team. So we're sitting here talking about the offense of coaching changes. How did you not look at that? And say man, I mean, that's that's what the Rams are the Rams go right back to the Mike Shanahan late nineties teams that I was on there. Eighteen nineteen wide handle their eighteen nineteen zone. That's thrown off when CJ and sit comes out there and he's bowling bowl down eight gaps. So not so it's press back in the gaps the eighteen nineteen stuff that to me the wide zone stuff is all about getting back behind the center. It's getting people to run further. They want cutting off the backside getting on the ground, and then getting back in that age gap and the Cowboys needed to get more the safety in the box. They had to high safeties trying to you know. Make sure they stop. And then they're trying to run gains by pinch loop. And you have to run games. We got to how safe because you gotta take got to compensate for not that extra get that one down there. Because after I had you know, what he is not slowly. With locking Wiley. We're joined now by NBA champion, Dante Jones. Let's move to the NBA where Cairo Evan had a big game last night, dropping twenty seven points and eighteen assists in a win over Toronto carry made waves last week after getting into it with Brad Stevens and Gordon Hayward during a loss in Orlando. And yesterday admitted the incident inspired him to reach out to a guy. He used to have friction with the Brian James. It was a big deal for me because I had to call Ron until Josh for young player wanted to everything at his fingertips wanted everything to be at my threshold. I wanted to be the guy that let us leader. I want to be all that. And you know, the responsibility of being the best player in the world leading team is something that's not meant for many people one. While those guys that came to Cleveland and tried to really shows show us what it's like the championship. It's hard for him. And sometimes getting the most out of the group. It's not the easiest thing in the world. The question is do we think that's an indication? Irene Brin grits leaving the bronze side, I'm not going to go. I I'm gonna let you go first. Okay. I don't think he regrets leaving LeBron. I think he regrets. How he responded to LeBron in that moment. But those are two different things. I think he's now owning up to the fact that carries twenty six right now, the Bron James into your building and your twenty three. I mean, we have to respect in our maturation that we walk. We jog we run. And even when you're running as a leader, they're still gears, two shifts to go even faster even better as that same leader. He's just hitting the different gear right now and respect for him for exercise in that demon debt was the regret of how responded to you libra, and Colin LeBron himself, personally and taking all that fire back respect for him for doing it. First of all, he's twenty two. And twenty two twenty one and twenty to the decisions that we made in life some of those we wish we could get back. Now, I appreciate the opportunity to let us go first because it's going to be rare in life. We might not get it back. I quit growing pains leadership, and he was going through a tough time. He so high reacted on TV he knew it was wrong. He looked in mirror. So, you know, I'm wrong for this. But when you start looking in the mirror, he was like, you know, what that was me. And that's the thing that I did. And and I quite that too. He was always going to regret. I knew he was always going to regret it to great people. It wasn't that. He wasn't a good person. And good kid. It was just the fact that he was giving so much that point in time. He was an all star. He had his own shoe. He thought he figured it out. He was on his way get before that when he was trying to get these lessons from the Bron. He was so resisted because he thought he had this thing figured out and the Brom had little patience with him was like, listen, some things that I can give you, but you have to listen and take it. And that's what they're friction was always knew he was going to regret it. But I thought it was gonna be later in his career when he understood kinda like as parents with our kids, we are pairs yelled at us and told us they couldn't have these things, and we don't sit back and understand those things until we have. Kids, and we look at them and tell them these things understood why are parents were taking these things away from us. And it just is awesome. That he can emit that right now and give thanks and go ahead and apologize because that shows his growth in his maturity, let's be sure it's regret and not a shot at his young teammates in Boston. What if he's really John say, it's really more of a message to them. It's a way of saying these kids are acting the way that I did when I was in Cleveland. And now, I'm the best player here. And these guys won't follow my leadership the way, I wouldn't follow LeBron's. What if it's not regret? It's more of a message to his current team. It's a message. But it's a message that I have to step up and be more responsible. He's not taking putting on a blame on them. He's saying, you know, what I have to be what Bron was for me. And that was on the daily be responsible for. My teammates on a daily be responsible for my actions on a daily bring it on the daily lead that consistent level of leadership is what he's speaking just over here next thinking. Thinking over here. And you know, one of the things about cloud chasing. And I'm not saying Kyrenia, the cloud chamber Brom. But in that match up the Broncos more clout, you get into conversation that is of higher status is higher magnitudes. So now Koreas putting themselves into LeBron discussion. It turns the leadership right or wrong. Who's a better leader? We know that answer, but he's in that discussion separating himself from the players. He just dissed why you going on record Tom much, you talk to the bra as a leader to say, this is high learn how to do what you they've been saying keep it in house. They been saying don't criticize us to media. And now your apology and the credit is going out to the media if I were to other player Jalen Brown, especially I'm sitting here like bra you saying a lot to them, and we need to hear more to us when you well. Yes, he speaking to the media. But he also embarrassed them to the media's. Well, so it's kinda like you have to give you a polish with it in public because you did your action spoke a thousand words. You really can't take. Them little suspicious, like just a little reasonable doubt. Like, I'm not I'm not because he's putting them in a perspective of of a mistake. He made and he's giving you a story line. Not just the words. He's giving you like I was this. I chose this icon of ran from the leadership, and when I was being taught, and I don't want this to happen to us. I want to be able to be responsible with them because he seen some of his inconsistency in his leadership. All right. I can't wait to hear you on this next. One Dante to college basketball Zion Williamson's fresh off his biggest game of the year, dropping thirty five points and ten boards loss of Syracuse Monday. But after teammate trae Jones got hurt in the game NBA, hey, legend Scottie Pippen, says Zion should quote shut it down to avoid risking a major injury that could derail his NBA career. I'm more. Fires third. Give should consider. Shut linda. Absolutely, absolutely. We're. Right now in football. You're starting to see the numbers increase include to number one draft choice potentially in two thousand nineteen in Nick Bosa. We're starting to see guys like a man if situations arise where a I know. My draft position relatively is high and be I have something to deal with interns an injury or anxiety towards the injury. Then I'm tap out Gaza missing bowl, games, important games Gaza. Just saying, hey there, too, many workout gurus who can give you as much as you want off the field off the court as you can on the court when NCWA are forcing these kids to meet their minimum requirements to go to the next level. If I am already satisfying at interns me being a prospect. What am I doing out there playing against Akron, or whatever may be? I'm not doing it. I'm not risking. I'm here with a means to an end, I'm keeping my eye on the prize. And if this to go pro and already qualified, what am I doing in this Dante before you fire? I just want you to. Coach K is watching. I talked to him before the show. Why he doesn't quit is because his shows something about your character. And you signed up for something you could've you could've not went to college. You could win prep, and you could have waited to your nineteen. You could have gone to another school and done this. And then this he went to Duke because he obviously wanted to be a part of something special. He chose to play with players who are in his light. So guys who are looked at an top five and address because he wanted to be a part of something special. So if you quit you show about your character, if you can lead an NBA team when when things may not be in your favor, and I think I think he is more high character than not if it went to Duke or with the other school, you'll be quitting on an institution. You'd be quitting on your teammates. You be quitting on a process of getting better and learning more about basketball to work quick by four times when I know that they forced him to sign into this situation because assign you could've went overseas. Could you have many routes go to to show behind what the Clemson? He could've went to some other schools where he could have been the man, but in got into the and got to be the number one pick. He chose to go to a school that was going to fight for national champions. Right. So he wanted to go to the NC double tournament and probably fulfill one of his drink the pressured as put on his hand in that pen to sign there. We know is to optimize your opportunity, and he is optimized any is fulfilled. It to me enough where he could get into the NBA draft pick give your case in point high character guy. Trevor Lawrence Wall Street Journal Rhoda article saying he needs to sit out the next two years Trevor Lawrence if he sits out the next two years, it's still gonna be a top ten pick. Maybe number one pick. Why go through the rigors and people don't think basketball's a physical sport as his team as I'm sure the person who wrote that Wall Street Journal has never played a plate an inch of college athletics or play at that light. He is he is one of the things that we are not the number one pick in the NBA draft. Right. Like, so he's going to be that regardless. But but you cannot get back experiences and playing college basketball and plan for national championship and experienced that. I can't replace anything else. That sounds like you keep your eye on the prize. If your goal is to go pro the sitcom, but some people see, and that's why I explained this. This whole Duke dynamic people think that you go to Duke for something else, then, but you go for the experience you go to play for coach K, you go to be a part of something you just don't go just to beat a number. Why you leave it and one does situation because you've got because you have minimum required. Go to learn. There's a minimum requirement. But it's it's not all the NC. Double a minimum requirement guys are taking other paths. You could go make more money to take another path. So it's not the only path right now. So if you take on that jersey, you want you wanna go for a year before years you want to learn you wanna go play. And you want to be a part of something. I think that's what he went for because he's having a blast. He gives energy to one thing. I like about the kid. He plays heart, regardless of what he is on the draft board. He's giving life to his teammates. He's trying to learn and be better and be a more. Well, rounded basketball player that comes with more reps. And I don't think the injury happened to trade Jones. I don't think so happen to that bulldozer. Let me say this. I agree with both of I really got. I grew with him to understand his all some point about. Hey, man. You could've went to South Carolina. Right. But you went to do to play for national championship. You wanted to hold Duke experience, you won't be part of the Duke family. But I totally agree with you quitting to me is in what he would be doing. Taking care of himself at his family is what he would be doing if he chose to step away. And then the other part of me wants this whole amateurism system destroyed, and so I love seeing these kids pull the rug out on these schools and universities that are making money off them. They need to figure out a way to compensate these pro level players the upper echelon players while they're in college to take this pull away from them compensated, the NBA the NFL should work with these universities to take care of these guys while they're in college, the ones great. Time to get antisocial dates Marcellus Wiley joined by James, Hairston, Mark slur. Time for my favorite segment social media manager, Paul. Right. I'm very excited. Do all right. Dr nail walkers through these Twitter streets. Sara moving on the FOX new hit TV show. The max singer where last night the deer was eliminated from competition, and everyone was trying to guess who's the mass social media was torn most people thought it was paying manning. But others guests their right? And it was our guy hall of fame quarterback. Terry bradshaw. Surprisingly, actually was terrible. But would you do something like this? Yeah. I love to sing. Even though I can't hear could somehow auto tune, my voice. I would love I'm trying to think of what I would sing if I was Luther Vandross now pretty Jackson. Oh, my favorite song is less chill by guy. I think it's by oh two. Still go. Money right there. I would do it. Everybody would do it. But I am not a fan of karaoke, which is a close version of that where everyone goes out there and try to sing. And you know, you can't I know I'm not doing it for real. So I would do it especially in the FOX family. Why don't they ask anybody? Then I am. So I have not one musical bone in my body. Really? Oh, I'm awful, very white. Boy. Very white. Very. This Billy white. Alaska. All right. All right. I used to be able to hit a note or two until I started playing this football thing actually had a career that I probably could I couldn't into r&b, but I was my heart was into football. So I went with the football thing. But you know. I was yelling. I was screaming. Colin making sure they can hear you sixty five people screaming took my voice away. And there's so many I can still sing a note right now because I don't believe give me a little bit of tea, and I'm gonna hit that thing. Blessing lost his voice. Oy. To video that's been going. Oh. Been going viral. The posters of twenty pounds. Leno is. Tackled insiders do some backflips the NFL draft prospect had until the draft stock by showing off his lettuces saunas heading to the CBO next week. And the fellow big myself. I must say it's pretty impressive. But James, you're famous crazy workout. Are you impressed about it? That's power. That's explosion. That's everything days. Very impressive three hundred twenty pound man doing that. And I've been able to do a backflip since I was like a hundred and fifty five pounds like. That back down. Nate him the sleep. They call me up you on the phone high school. Like, can you say to me? I'm like, yeah. Got you going here. Sing them to sleep. Carlino bliss. I was just I didn't have to make calls. Playing running back. I was listening to what the quarterback was saying. I'm gonna tell you what it gain turns out to be a backflip contest. I want him on my team. Hey. They do backflips in the last guy standing wins. Then I want. I don't know if we can play but the ball, he's our. Hey diarrhea. I don't want it every. I get explosive but. Football. All. I bet Aaron Donald like that earned dollars the best player in National Football League that doesn't make him Aaron Donald no explosive a lot. I mean, that's why we go to the combine this show, you what your athletic base looks like doesn't translate. Always to the sport does show, you Atlanticism shuttled sports, also which is right down the street. That's where he did that. Right. Staying on the gridiron Raskin's running back, Chris tops and shared a story on Twitter of an agent Pearson. I visited there for thirty before joining the times said he wanted to talk to AP assuming he knew he worked because he played the last year apparently the future hall of Famer had no idea in combo. So you play cornerback Twitter some pants. Two thousand double damn I'd say AP Searcy had no clue who anyone was the actually did know trying to start. I think he really didn't know lot of the times, you you just you just don't know especially just getting there or new guys coming in like if you play like six or seven years, I probably can't remember your name. Ain't that true? If the team photo. Yeah money. Yeah. I'll be like who's number sixty three knows right? Right. Hey me. That's pretty that's pretty humbly for Christa you in the league and your peers don't even know who you are. But I kind of liked him revealing this over Twitter, I will tell you this though, like most time when you as a player, you're studying film. You're like Allom studying defensive film like ninety nine guy can move or that, right? I don't know. The guy's name. I'm just like eight ninety seven when he comes in. He, you know, he's arm over movement. It's series. You know, take away. I don't know anybody's name when I was in the league how many times boy, I was okay. We had our ten year reunion, and I'm dappling up people and everything and one guy and I'm like. He played right next. He was a deadline for real. My favorite one. So this lady was at a yoga studio in random to. Hey, rob. But didn't know Iran. Listen. I guess anthem. What happens to the gun to Trump's? You're not right. The this real I'm trying to thirty. Oh, no, no. People in studio, and that's the war. Keep it focused on it was real by by Iran, and it was fat by her because, you know, anytime people want to be like sure though. No, they're not sure they're they're kind of like they're looking like looks like him. But I'm not sure I just had it before I walked over here guys. Like, you look like James or something like that all the time. All the time. 'cause I take a pitch my name. So I could tell my friends, I'm from Mexico. I'm like, James Harrison. She didn't sound like she was from Mexico either. But your story apartment came up to me now becomes new. There's. I think this goal. I think that's catching your. Smile. They like, oh, I could walk up to him. But soon as I see him coming up. Oh fifty way. This would happen. They go until you say and you like James air. So you say, no, that's not me. No, Jay Harrison. I don't know. What you you are Jay say, well, why don't you just say that from beginning people do that all the time? I stumbled way I'm telling you sure, I've got away with it a bunch of times where it looked like that all the time last crazy look just like him. But thanks anyway. And they walk away. James we're gonna put you to the test. We found some tea for you to say. The voice you the fraying. Oh, this ain't black tea. Got get black tea. From vocals, get right? I'm sorry. Now, you the people. Other people. I got a call cabinet see if I'm allowed to do this. I gotta get so missing capping meal.

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10 Trivia Questions on Forrest Gump

Trivia With Budds

08:18 min | 2 years ago

10 Trivia Questions on Forrest Gump

"If you don't know all these questions, don't worry because stupid is as stupid does. I've got ten questions for you on Forrest Gump. This is trivia with buds. It be and welcome to another episode of the trivia with buds podcast. I'm your host. Ryan buds. Thanks for checking out my show, you like trivia, pop culture. And today if you like Forrest Gump, you're in the right place. This whole episode is ten questions on the hit nineties movie Forrest Gump, and it was picked by patriots subscribers sweet, Abby cakes. So if you like this movie, you can thank sweet Abby cakes in abbey cakes is profile. She says she loves cats dogs tattoos cupcakes and whiskey. So she'd be one of the first people I'd invite to my cool people party nice job advocates. She left source Gump and she wanted some trivia on it and the world's best runner. So I said, let's do it. I remember the first time I watched this. I was in seventh grade. I might have told the story in the podcast before. But we had a teacher named mama. D MRs do Mets or miss do meds. She was not married. She was insane. And she. Made us watch this movie. And then she goes alright babies she called everybody babies. So she was like all right babies cover your eyes during the sex scene. There's going to be a naughty seen coming up cover your eyes as soon as it comes on and let mama Dino. So she can fast forward, and none of us told her so. The the sex scene where he goes to visit Jenny and she looked up from her work in screamed at the top of her lungs. Just like, you babies didn't tell me and she couldn't find the remote. We ended up watching the whole scene and many of us got pregnant from watching that. So that's on you Mumady sorry about that. But yeah, this was directed by Robert Zemeckis, a lot of people don't know he was an executive producer on tales from the crypt keeper which was the nineties animated kids show version of tales from the crypt. So it was kind of dark. It was very similar animation to like Beetlejuice the animated series, which came out around the same time. I love both those shows I loved those kind of macabre shows like are real monsters love that too. Also, another nineties classic. So Robert Zemeckis. He's done a lot. He's directed. One of my favorite movies. One of his first big movies was used cars. I mentioned it on the show quite a bit Kurt Russell. You've never seen. It. You got to watch the golden gem of comedy. And I think about it every time I see a really bad car on the street. I'm like that's like one from use cars. So you need to watch this movie. If you haven't seen it a Robert Zemeckis directed at used cars. It's really good stuff. All right. We're going to jump into ten questions on Forrest Gump, and they're not super easy. So get that brain ready here, we go. All right. Forrest Gump trivia for sweet advocates. Here's number one in what country does forest play ping pong for the US team. Number one in what country does forest play ping pong for the US team. Question. Number two, what do forest and Jenny go together? Like, this is a phrase he says in the movie number two, what do Forrest and Jenny go together like. Question. Number three. What we're bubbas dying words. There were five in total. What was his last sentence or the last five things he said Bubba or his dying words number three? Question. Number four. How many years did force run for was it one two three or four years? How many years did forest run for one to three or four? Question. Number five true or false forest meets Muhammad Ali in the film is that true or false forest meets Muhammad Ali in the film true or false. Number six, what actor played Forrest Gump junior number six, what actor portrayed Forrest Gump junior? Number seven on your list. What did they say forest back was crooked? Like number seven. What did they say? Forests back was crooked like number seven. Question number eight where did forest moms say his first pair of shoes could take him number? Eight weirded forests mom say his first pair of shoes could take him number eight. Question. Number nine, what song was playing by Alvis? When forest showed the king his dance moves number nine. What song was playing by Elvis when forced showed the king his dance. And number ten what was forest favourite book as a kid number ten? What was forced favourite kids book number ten? All right. Those are your doctor pepper infused questions. We'll be right back with the answers in just a minute. Here we go with the answers to the forest Gump trivia episode and what country does force play ping pong for the US team. That's in China. He goes and plays in China. Number two. What do forest and Jenny go together? Like, they go together like peas and carrots peas and carrots. Number three, what we're bubbas dying words, five and total. He said I want to go home. I want to go home a sad scene in the movie. I want to go home number four. How many years did forest run for was it one two three or four? It was three years. Can you imagine? I can't run down the block let alone for three years. That would be insane. I think this was one of the reasons my mom didn't like this movie. She always says some very specific reason I've said it before like Lord of the rings. She didn't like that those characters were in the mountains without any shoes on and she didn't like Forrest Gump because nobody runs for three years. Ryan come on. What am I supposed to be watching here? Number five true or false forest meets Muhammad Ali in the film that is false. He does not meet Mohammed Ali as far as I know. Number six, what actor played Forrest Gump junior? That's Haley, Joel Osmond. Haley, Joel Osmond who's in some stuff nowadays with Kevin Smith here and there number seven. What did they say forest back was crooked crooked like a question Mark, which is perfect for a trivia host. I guess but terrible for a back. Terrible for a back number eight. Where did forest mom say his first pair of shoes? Could take him. The answer was anywhere. She's in these can take you anywhere. Number nine. What song was playing by Elvis? When forests showed the king his dance moves that was hound dog. Hound dog by Elvis and number ten what was forest favorite kids? Book cure. Purpose. George answer was curious George there. It was the Forrest Gump questions. Courtesy of sweet, Abby cakes. She posts a lot of fun stuff over at Instagram dot com slash sweet Abby cake, so give her a follow. If you like fun people. Hey as of today, I've got a brand new website up. You could check it out today is a Monday. If you're listening to this brand new you can go over to trivia with buds dot com. It's totally redesigned with wicks and ready for you to check it out. Look sleeker. 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Time After Time: Egypt Protests, US Refugee Program, Landmines

Skimm This

13:24 min | 1 year ago

Time After Time: Egypt Protests, US Refugee Program, Landmines

"It's Friday September twenty seven welcome to skim this where breaking down the most complex stories of the day and giving the context on why they matter today Egypt's Egypt's famous Tahrir Square is on lockdown as the government moves to block a second week of protest. We'll break down. What's at stake here. Then it's been a busy news week and one prevent that kind of got the short stick only the biggest world leader meeting of the year so we skimmed it for you and finally Prince areas carrying on the legacy of his mother Princess Diana in Southern Africa. We're here to make your evening smarter. Let's skim this. Today's episode is is brought to you by Neum. The most complicated story. Today is about a whistle blower. No it's not the one you're thinking about. We're we're talking about one on the other side of the world who's now getting people in Egypt to hit the streets in protest so today we're going to get into why people in Egypt are protesting testing why there's been a crackdown demonstrations and what's at stake for the Egyptian people. Let's get into it starting with the reason for the season a protest that is is it all started with a guy named Muhammad Ali who wanted to put up a fight not the famous boxer this Muhammad Ali Eh government building contractor in Egypt for several years before we recently exiled himself to Spain earlier this month he started posting videos online accusing accusing Egypt's president and top generals of corruption see Egyptian President Abdel Fattah. El Sisi took office five years ago like almost literally really took it. We'll get to that later and last year. He was reelected with ninety seven percent of the vote. That's where the whistle blower comes in only says that during L. C. C.'s time in office. The president used tens of millions of dollars in taxpayer money to build villas hotels palaces as a contractor. Ali says he helped to build some of those villas. LC denies the allegations but millions of people have been tuning in to watch all these videos anyway and last week. Ali called on people all to take to the streets and thousands did and a bunch of different cities. They chanted leave. CC and rise up Beer Nazi must go huge protests and lots of arrests by one count about two thousand people have been arrested since then including journalists. It's the biggest security crackdown since El Sisi rose to power. You might be thinking this reaction. It feels extreme but there's a history here that explains why police crackdown on these protests it's because of a little thing called the Arab spring which wasn't so oh little you probably remember hearing about the Mass anti-government protests in twenty eleven that spread throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Some of the biggest protests were in Egypt. It worked people rallied against corruption poverty and the country's leader at the time hose knee. Mubarak he stepped down and was later convicted of ordering that protesters killed in two thousand twelve a man named Muhammad Morsi became the country's first democratically elected president a little more than a year after he was sworn in more C- was ousted in in a military coup that was led by his own Defense Minister Abdel Fattah El Sisi. Here's el-sisi speaking through a translator the day that happened steered away the throne violence which will bring about tension and sitting up a lot of innocent but they were more protests and there was more violence more than a thousand some people died during protests that summer and a bunch more were arrested so in November two thousand thirteen the country band all unauthorized protests then in the summer of two thousand fourteen El Sisi was officially elected Egypt's president and even though he was recently re elected by practically all the voters in Egypt upped critics say those results were predetermined by the government and that opposition has been silenced plus. Turn out was pretty low. Mohammed Ali's videos the response to them show that not everyone is pleased with. CC's authoritarian ways especially as economic policies in the country have left about a third of Egyptians in poverty which leads us to what's happening today. The second day of planned protests and there's a lot at stake after Egypt's two previous presidents were ousted from office this the New York Times reports that some Egyptians are wary of even more turmoil and now the government is going after those who are protesting the government says protesters are being persuaded by Islamists and Egypt's president has accused Muhammad Ali of slander. Some Egyptians are saying that they've been stopped and searched by police several all times this week already and the iconic site of Egypt's huge Arab spring protests in twenty eleven targeted square is on lockdown so these protests have a lot of Egyptians on edge some reportedly don't WanNa go back to the constant protests of the Arab spring and they're nervous. It's about going against the protest ban but without free speech or clear democracy. Some people are willing to risk a lot and turn up in force so so what's the skin today. Egypt's government came out in full force to prevent a second day of mass protests despite their efforts some protests did reportedly really break out across the country supporters of el-sisi also took to the streets and greeted him at the airport where he just flown in from the United Nations General Assembly in New York Mark earlier this week he met with President trump trump played down the reports of demonstrations and told el-sisi is doing a great job as a great leader Taylor respected. He's brought order before he was here. There was very little order was chaos but not everyone in the US agrees today the top opt Democrat and top Republican of the House Foreign Affairs Committee called on Egypt to release peaceful protesters who've been arrested and allow addictions the right to protest speaking of the UN. There's a lot more that went down at this week's big reunion in New York more on that after the break in looking to live smarter and turn neum based in psychology neum teaches you why you do the things you do and arms you with the tools to break unhealthy habits and replace them with healthy. Ones Neum can help you keep up with your busy life. Be More in tune with your body's needs and practice better self care sign up for for your trial today at noon. No Om Dot com forward slash skim this. What do you have to lose visit NEUM DOT COM forward slash skim this to start your trial today. That's NEUM DOT COM for its slash skim this. Let's face it the UN General Assembly got really upstage stage this week. There's even a mean journalists or sharing. It's the one with the guy walking with his girlfriend but then he turns around to look at another woman and his girlfriend isn't isn't having it so in this mean the guy is the media the woman walking past is all the whistle blower drama in DC and the girlfriend stands for for all those U N diplomats who only get this one week a year to shine but we're here for you U. N. So let's recap a few things that got drowned out starting with Tehran after president trump warned of Iran's quote menacing behaviour earlier this week Israel and Saudi Arabia also piled add on asking countries to put more pressure on Iran but others like French. President Emmanuel macron really disagreed he spent time in New York to try and convince convince Iranian President Hassan Ronnie to meet with trump in person macron and UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson Literally Confronted Ruini in a UN hallway and and told him to not throw away his shot but in the end they couldn't make it happen so by most accounts the faint of quickly unraveling Iran nuclear deal isn't any unclear even after the UN meetings another big topic at the UN this week fake news but not for the reasons you might think on Thursday twenty countries including leading Canada France and the UK signed an agreement to promote access to independent reporting online they also agreed to push Internet providers to do more to promote reliable able content to help end the quote information chaos currently playing out on the Internet sounds refreshing and before we close the book on the UN General Assembly speeches speeches and more speeches. We've skimmed them for you. Here are the highlights the president of Sierra early on Julius Mata beale argued for UN reform he said African countries should get veto power and permanent UN Security Council seats powers currently reserved for the US Russia China France and the UK is time that we addressed these long standing in justice and imbalance this perpetrated by the present configuration of the Security Council without any four that you leave now you boo Kelly the president of El Salvador. Adore suggested the UN hosts. It's big events via video chat to include more people and keep up with the Times. He also snapped selfie during a speech to make the point automatically. Many more people see that southey once I share the listen to this speech my hope that I took a good one and we're still trying to figure out what UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson was talking about in his speech. Ai What would it mean helpful robots Washington caring for aging population pink. I'd terminate sent back from the future. Toco the human race what will synthetic biology Stanford restoring our livers nar is with miracle regeneration of tissues like some fantastic how you never cure or would it bring terrifying limbless chickens to to our table. We don't know how to top that so we won't even try cheers two. U U N keeping you and see you next year. uh-huh the trump administration just announced a major change to the country's Refugee Gee resettlement policy for decades refugees from around the world have fled to the US to escape violence and religious persecution in one thousand nine hundred eighty the US change its laws to help refugees find new homes and allowed more into the country now the trump administration says it's lowering the number of refugees allowed to resettle in the US and President Obama's vinyl full years president his administration's set the refugee cap at eighty five thousand when trump took office he cut that to fifty fifty thousand then to forty five thousand then to thirty thousand and now it's eighteen thousand the lowest brush hold since the laws changed forty thirty years ago the other big change the trump administration now says states towns will have the authority to block refugees from being relocated to their communities communities. The White House says this quote ensure refugees are placed in an environment in which they will have the greatest opportunities to thrive but critics say this is about giving local focal leaders the chance to enact their own refugee bands community by community congress usually gets consulted here but trump has the final call so this policies policies likely to go into effect on Tuesday and before we go today. We want to give you an update on the royal trip to Southern Africa. You might remember the iconic photos from Nineteen ninety-seven a Princess Diana walking through a clear route of an active minefield is part of a visit with the Halo Trust. That's that's an organization. That's worked to clear nearly a hundred thousand landmines in Angola which were put there during the country's nearly three decades long civil war today twenty in two years later Prince Harry Walk that same path which is now a thriving community but landmines are still concerned end Gola and today Prince Harry applauded the the work of those on the ground still working to remind the land thing as much as soon as much as she did then there is still much to do but without question if she hadn't campaign the way that she did twenty two years ago this would still be a minefield for more on the Halo Trust and how you can support visit halo-trust dot org and that's all for Skim this thank you so much for listening this week and we'd love for you to rate the and reviews online. A lot of news happens over the weekend so to catch up bursting on Monday sign up for morning. Newsletter the daily skin at the skin dot com. It's everything you need to know to start your day right in your inbox.

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GOAT Brady?, Rams most dominant?, Foles v. Wentz, NFL head coaches

Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

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GOAT Brady?, Rams most dominant?, Foles v. Wentz, NFL head coaches

"Be yourself. I'm Jason Whitlock. That is Marcellus Wadi that do coming up. We'll tell you if my man John McVeigh will keep it rolling. That's how you took your. Exercise some playoff against the patriots is we what we start every day with a wit locks which about the lie about the day. We're going to talk about Tom Brady, the greatest American athlete of his generation far. Knock that includes Tiger Woods. Lebron James Serena Williams and Floyd Mayweather, Tom Brady is the Muhammad Ali of his era yesterday with a lot of the sports world predicting the fall of the forty one year old quarterback Brady pulled off a vintage Brady performance against talented charges defense Brady completed thirty four forty four passes for three hundred forty three yards leading the patriots to an easy victory and their ace straight AFC championship. As just incredible football such a complex difficult game. There are so many variables and the one in done nature. The NFL playoffs makes the streets. Even more improbable much is made a LeBron James eight straight MBA finals appearances. It's an impressive streak, but it's not that shocking. Given the NBA's best of seven playoff format it favors the team with the most talent Brady and the patriots have rarely overwhelmed. The NFL with talent they overwhelmed with preparation attention to detail and heart for my money. Brady's careers. The closest thing we've seen to Muhammed ALI'S. I say that because I think Brady and Ali are the all time great champions who's will to win exceeded their skill. It's easy to get caught up in ALI'S. Flashy foot movement, brash, talk and dazzling hands beat. But what separated Ali from everyone else was his mind his faith. His resolve Ali one fights. He had absolutely no business winning boxing by its very nature is an imposition of will ALI'S wilda win exceeded George Foreman Zaire Joe Frazier's in Manila and Ken Norton's at the. The form Inglewood at the heavyweight division. Boxing is a sport that favors the heaviest hands form and Frazier Norton Sonny liston and Ernie shavers. All had heavier hands than I Li they couldn't match ALI'S heart heart is what separates Tom Brady from his peers heart. What puts Brady in the same class as I'll Ollie Brady has a bolder on his shoulder. They're good team. And we played this year. I know everyone thinks we suck and. Can't win any games. So we'll see it'll be fun. I know disrespected tiger and Michael Jordan. I believe they're willing skill were equal, but in my view. Lebron Serena's skill exceed their will it's Cochet talk about the heart of a champion. But it matters some athletes have heart in abundance. Others don't it's why a lot of boxers. Don't take Floyd Mayweather undefeated record all that seriously. He avoided the best fighters when they were in their primes Ali fought Frazier, Norton three different times each when it comes to Brady versus the Bron is not really even a discussion after the way, the brand finishes. I didn't Cleveland and performed in his first NBA finals with the heat. Tom Brady is the lone athlete in the same class as Muhammad Ali are joining the desk now. Hall of Famer Eric Dickerson future hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez Marcellus. I will start with you are so. Yes. Fair comparison. Ali and Tom Brady. Guy. Let's start with the greatness comparison. He's the greatest athletes generation. Yes. I'll have to agree with you know, argument there. Yeah. Well, if all things are equal in all sports. And we're talking about some of the individuals sports tennis. You brought up boxing. You talk about golf Tiger Woods about basketball. And obviously football. I have to give the s to the football. Great over any other sport. Just because it's much more difficult to win that championship because you are dependent on so many more variables and individuals to help you achieve success so football, you could be the greatest quarterback, Dan Marino, and then look around, and you don't have all the other great parts, and you may not have the greatest assets supporting you and the next thing, you know, you don't win that championship. And then you do take to merit. So. Tiger Woods comes to mind is a close second. Obviously I Li but with Tom Brady is has shown by his career record. And that career record is with so many moving pieces, and he stills they won costed that as you said football is a great game of skill a greater game. A will for whatever reason he is will not only the patriots. But he's wield his coach into being into discussion as the greatest coach ever when his coach has a head. Coach was a losing head coach before Tom Brady stepped on a field all those things considered. I'm with you which Tom greatest greatest. Go. Hey, ram Basseterre. Komo. Dow me too. Tom Brady is degraded quarterback. I'm going to give him that. I'm Joe Montana as the greatest quarterback. But when you put him in the same breath as Muhammad Ali. That's toll is that's different. I mean, how an class all by himself. We talking about entering in the field cop understand on the stand that, you know, with without Bill Belichick. Tom Brady's not Tom Brady without no. I don't think he is. I mean, if you put a lot of if it's like, it's like you put Tom Brady and Cincinnati's Tom Brady know without Bill Belichick. No, he's not. I think about you say New England before Brady Bill check before as a head coach they've been Super Bowl before who did they had they been. Bendit they being so he didn't come to meet what was Belgium. Oh. Six year. Right down the ramp bath talking about Tiger Woods Tiger Woods, revolutionized golf. He changed. It. He changed the way we black athletes look ago, you know, a lot of like, I watch no guard. Nobody wanna to go now macking to Weisgall with tiger woo-. Tiger woods. Eating change, the pay scale of even the golfers. Talk about when I'm plant in a pro am the candidacy man, you can say what you want like Tiga hold on. I was right there. Let me finish you might not lie tiger. But tiger has changed the way that we get paid. And he's changed everything. Right there. We right there until thanksgiving two thousand nine. The woods got club by his wife, and you ain't been the same. Are you talking about because this question first of all Bella check? I think he deserves a lot more credit than what you guys his record. Without Tom Brady. Tom Brady went down for that season. When castle came had that thing rolling. What do you first of all they did? Well, the greatest athlete generate. Oh, I don't first of all what are you talking about athlete? Okay. We can't he come. And he have you seen him run the forty that. We go. Have you seen him dance? I'm talking about. What it what do you mean? Accomplishments going skew it's not skill. Okay. Talking about accomplishments. Okay. Well, you say athlete on Mike. Okay. Apple play one. I wanna get Tom. I play. He's a really good athlete professional athlete. I love Tom. But I think you have to understand what are the what are the parameters of this hop gushing accomplishments? Okay. From Compass standpoint you love Tom Brady because I think he's probably the best competitor. I would say he's the best competitive because he's willing to take less money. He wants to win that badly that he'll take less money. He's leftover one hundred million dollars on the table to win championships in football, as you said, I'm a little surprised when you say that that football it's harder to win. I'm not going to give Tom Brady all the credit for that. You gotta have great coach. And you gotta have great players around you to win a football game. You can't dislike I agree with what you said if he was in Cincinnati all those years or was in buffalo, whatever it is clean. He doesn't have those players around him in that great coach. It's a perfect storm. That's going on if they're Tom and Tom make no mistake about it that everything his preparation his wounds to put everything into it. He has no other. I believe everything he says is all about winning for him. And that coach Coats Viyella tick said stats are for losers. I don't think he meant like you're a loser. Like like on the playground iming. He's saying literally, you worry about that. And Tom Brady does not care about stats. Never has never will. I believe Bill is amazing. But what I wanna do is just make sure we reset what the conversation is about who is better are who gets the credit Belichick Brady. I think it's more Brady dig about it. Bella check had five entire coaching seizes as a head coach in Cleveland and in New England before Brady steps on the field and Bella check wall s'more. He won. Now injury occurs. Brady comes on an all sudden this losing coach becomes a winning coach and Nali winning coast to the greatest of all time coach. And then we sit there says that Tom Brady's legacy takes a backseat to Bella chicks greatness for that. I'm like no recent net. Tom Brady's the one that he'll Bella check more. So than the other way around. We didn't know who Brady was in the pros into he showed up Super Bowl championship first year out there. So all I'm saying is this guy is the greatest, and I'm reluctant to say this because I'm I'm like you. Field in a lock room. Like, it's not a great athlete. But when you add everything up he has to be at the top of that mountain because he has the great. And let me put this. Let me put this in as well. I think most people regard Mohammed Ali as the greatest he dubbed himself that you could beat Muhammad Ali in basketball, you could probably run him in the forty, but he's still regarded as the greatest that's the conversation. We're having about Tom Brady is not about who runs. The fastest forty is about who maxed out there. Athletic greatness to the utmost and to me, no one I put Muhammad Ali and Tom Brady in terms of Maxine now, their skill whatever. Their God-given towns, I'd probably put Jordan right there with him. But Jordan just had so much to me. He's more talented than Brady and Ali. And this to me, there's something about Ali and Brady's will and heart. Just takes them to another level. It's definitely known. And you can't convince me that anybody is the greatest ever anyway. And I've had people call me the one of the greatest ever, and I would still say that. No because you can make that argument for grunk, you can make that argument for is e news for Kelly. Well, you can make that argument. I you can't tell me and first of all it's just specifically to the sport. I all time. There are great weightlifters that have won Olympic gold medals. That were the best don't, Jerry. We don't talk about them on the Jerry Jerry Rice got the most out of his body. I think he wasn't the fastest wouldn't the strongest Luke what he says tonight. Tonight. I just don't understand JIRA assistant. Eric, I'll put you put me put me in Cleveland, and you. Thank you, Eric. I'll get your good example. You just I was in Indianapolis when I went to Indianapolis from the LA Rams, the changed because that system didn't fit me the same that system fit in LA that system was tailor made him in four years at a one over eight thousand yards in four years when I was in the Napa it dropped off. Now, my skilled in drop all but the guys around me air, I say this with great affection. Great respect. That same thing could be you weren't the kind of lead at Tom Brady as a running back as a running. I didn't matter flipped you to quarterback. You're not the kind of leader. And neither was I needed was a lot of the people. I'll say I'll say this, look, I I never wanted that that that that on my back know, I went out. I was not that Rah Rah guy the guy that hey when you call me my number. I'm gonna do I'm gonna be there on time. I'm gonna do my part and some that's and that's why I believe in preparing for football. What's the greatest? What's your favorite food? What's the best Hakko all tackles food of all time? Tacos for you. It is to me and be different for you. It'd be different to say this is why do answer this quoting there's no right ball. You know, why? Because. All respect. We're sitting here ranking football players your four, I'm three deaths. Solid y'all go to fight for number one overall. Right. So when we make these arguments, this amazing that when we're climbing up and saying who's the greatest we stopped short of saying, the greatest, you know, that I was better than you know, you better than me, you better airing dunno if you'd better Tony. But maybe I will go to one point is we can have this conversation. We can lock it in on one guy. We just got gotta go to custom lucky because the pack because of what you did into position to the game. You can't have in. You know, you can have an opinion for sure that's all. But I'm just saying for me, I'm going to say, yes. Don, what about Peyton Manning? Having opinion. I'm not gonna don't do that. Don't do that. Seven. What I'm saying? Is you want to man, I might be at a party with Tom Brady, man? I might be at a party with Peyton Manning. I'm gonna die this issue. Naza dodge at all. Who would I wanna play with all time ever? I I'd probably say, yeah. Tom peyton. I was. Favorite quarterback, not greater. Take out Joe Montana. I'll play with him in the Pro Bowl had the luxury. I'm like man throw the football. Golly. If I had this. And you said it best you say the best. It's a who you think like people say Jim Brown's graded air, you'd agree. I never say. Look, I say it pencil who you like who you saw play thirty twenty thirty eastern kissing Tom Brady who first of all they're things that separate accomplishments and air. There's accomplishments matter your having the record for the most yards and individual Caesar that matters when you get into debate about you're Barry Sanders. Yeah. People can go either way, but you can judge people's accomplishments. We've never seen other than to me. I'll e seen a guy with this level of accomplishment, overcome the kind of odds against opponents. The charges to me were the better team. But Brady has been a part of a stabbing a culture in New England that it doesn't matter. If you're better than them, you'd better show up more prepared than. Them. There's a problem, and that's the same thing. Muhammad Ali had and that's why a this generation. He's the league what makes him. So Tom a great quarterback. I still believe with him in Bella check, it makes even greater you as he wouldn't be tying. I love done made. Mommy. What you got? There you go both working together. You take one away. It's a different mix. A lot of people ain't easy to work with and to me that undermines their compliments people have said it about me harder show with. That's one. A lot of what makes Brady great. This has been the perfect storm those guys find in each other. Brave belt finding Brady he was losing without Brady Brady say don't put that on me. I know military sitting here and he cared, which I don't think he cares. He'd say. Well, look at my record. When Tom wasn't there? Looking at Wynberg set comes in when Garoppolo comes in. We've we still row we we're whatever it is. They went they went to the playoffs. They won eleven games with Matt Cassel stuff to play. Well, they won eleven games. You're right. Are they better team with Tom? Tom is one of the greatest of all time. In fact, I'll take back my answer now. Because what I said before. Yes, I'm picking Tom if I'm starting to franchise in NFL history. Probably start with Tom Brady be cut not because of his skills on the field because of off automobile what he brings his leadership, and then his ability to say, I'll take less money. So we can build a championship. All when you wind rings with jail Fahd open. You just agree with me? Why don't you go through all that? Trouble agree with him. Because it's still I'm still not going to say he's I would not take away your answer saying, you're wrong. If you say Muhammad, Ali or woods or anybody else or Serena or tiger anybody. Yeah. But I can't say the wrong answer though. I could I mean, I'm not gonna pick on anybody. But you know, there's a guy could say you like do that doesn't count. So it's amazing. It's okay. To say that about a guy who doesn't have enough accomplishments doesn't have enough to their resume where you like he's not. He's not qualified but within qualified quarterback Joe, Montana, Peyton, Manning, etc. How can we kiss can't give one the crown for me? If you're forcing me to answer that and I'm not saying you have to believe that. But if you're to answer, Tom Brady's Tuban enough already. He is. With lock and no stra 'Damas Wiley. And you know, what I forgot what forgot I forgot. I had it. I forgot what forgot if you want. Forgive. Joined now by ram Basseterre Eric Dickerson. What does that you got around your next? Bs. The NFL networks Bucky Brooks are let's move to big story right here in Los Angeles. Where the Rams beat the cowboy Saturday night to advance to the NFC championship game. My favorite coach, Sean McVeigh had a brilliant game plan wanting the ball down Dallas his throat with both Todd Gurley and C J Anderson rushing for over one hundred yards. Not only that the Rams usually pours. Run defense completely shut down. Zekiye Elliott holding the NFL's leading rusher to just forty seven yards. This game blew me away. Because I thought hey, the Rams might go out there and exit. Oh it up and just put on offense of show. But to me. The sounds silly. But Sean McVay watching this show and say I'm gonna show Jason with like, I'm a real football coach because no not because I knew the Gaqa draw up. I didn't know he can control men, and that's what he did. He took. This was you know, what they think we Hollywood glitz. They think we saw let's go out and show on we can be Dallas at they own game. That's crazy. You say that was he watching this show because that's my dog. That's my man. You know in the locker room they had a little package of of clips in things that they show to get them pumped up. So let's take a look at that rambling right here. Rams coach Sean McVeigh is starting to remind me of the last five foot seven bombshell emerged from nowhere ride a wave of unprecedented height and briefly rocked the sports world is Sean McVeigh. Ronda Rousey is brother from another mother, cute and cuddly full America every single time and McVeigh might be football's Hannah Montana and Gary Coleman rolled into the same head slit and playbook. Yeah. Come on, actually. Coach out you. Car DASS ahead of on tennis. They went Hollywood. And no, no, no, let's make make a left dog BUSTER, right right here. They figure role on the way. On the Cowboys in lifting boys up. So we'll watch what you say people watching man I hear I was blown away. Man. You know, what I've been saying all week. I said it all last week run the football run the football. The Cowboys have a good defense. But if you run the full the foot run, the football sets, everything, you know, C J Anderson is the best pickup that we could possibly have gotten because you know, Todd Gurley. I still think he's a little bit hurt and siege Amazon as a downhill running anytime you have two hundred yards and a playoff game. You should win. The football game was standing there watching that game. They would dominating. And I mean dominating the Cowboys defensive front. I'm like, oh, if we don't turn the ball over at all we're gonna win this game. And that's what we did. I mean, I think what they have done is they've stumbled into a recipe that could really make them to champion at the end of it CJ Anderson coming over his given them they're down here running game. And when you look at Todd. Girly girl. He's really at his best running on the edges and so- Marcellus. You remember how that all Alice gives office of line with the Denver Broncos running dissolved and their cut blocking when I'm looking at the Rams and how they were slicing through the Cowboys. I was like, you know, what sometimes we forget. They McVeigh is Mike Shanahan disciple. And this running game is problematic because they cut you on the backside and you notice the Cowboys are beginning to tap out. And that's steady dose of CJ. Todd girly takes the pressure of Jerry Goff. The Rams tough. They may have found a winning recipe may I I don't think the really the saints have a chance, and I know I'm going way too far the other direction, but but that was the most dominant performance of the weekend score doesn't indicate a one possession. It wasn't. That was a book on both sides of the ball from both the offense affront and the defense front Dhamma. Consumer okay criticize. I am in. I'm a problem, and I just had to I really think that formula will go up to New Orleans, and they'll put it on the saints as well. Yeah, I agree with the fact that the saints are in trouble right now because that was a fifth rank rush defense you going against this team. They only gave up seventy three yards to the Seahawks the week before and the Seahawks were number one in Russian and they say, okay, we're going to do exactly what they don't want us to do. Which is we're going to run the football. And we're gonna run into the two and two hundred seventy three yards as our soco's to say, and we used to I had to go against the back to back Bronco years, Terrell Davis Elway, and you you said it coach would say they out there soul snatching because the first quarter. Everybody's like trying to play stout and plotted disciplined gap, and then your knees are going into the second quarter, you dealing with that bowling ball. It is coming and you you start to rise up trying to tackle the next thirty four forty you bounce it off those tackles or you don't even want them at all. And that's what happened they were. So snatching out there that entire defense of the Cowboys forget coming back and saying next year. We'll get them. They go out the reset how they attack teams like this. Because that game plan was exposed it beat it when the big one a big plays in that game that one when when they stuffed it because if you think about this people have been running right down the milligrams defense. What are you going to five point five point one yard rush? I mean, I'm like, I hope they don't run the read option just run it up the mill and when they rammed the mill I think Dopp and dominant sue and Aaron down to me man, he changes everybody's game plan. You have to change the game plan to me that to me set the tone is hey stop. They stopped him right on out thirty five yard line. I say this. This is the game. No. I think that is true. And we'll begin to see the star power show when it really matters Dom Cassou showed up in the playoff game. Made it play a key to leave coming back really helped him because now market speed is can go back to being kind of like the number two corner in this match that they have coming up against. And I think is big I think there's something about the stars that they brought over. This is why they paid big money to have them because the playoffs are decided by the stars. Your star players have to step up. The Rams have their guys playing well at the right time. Then these are the stars that Jason said that sound can't control control these guy. He's got. Man, they to be big. We'll be the rest of new. Did you say that? I was I was there. This is a leader of men again, the speech you have to give in order to get your team to play that gay just gonna go out here Monday. These guys yet, that's a hell of a speech. I didn't think he had that. Movie Kansas City. We're Patrick Mahomes in the teams dominated the cold Saturday with their much-maligned defence shutting down one of the hottest offenses in the league to advance the AFC title game. But any read squad will now host the patriots who did some dominating themselves easily beating the chargers on Sunday with a stellar game. From Tom Brady. All right. I was happy to be wrong about the candidate chiefs blowing their first round or their divisional round playoff game. And the see chiefs to me had one of the finest playoffs performances I've ever seen from Kansas City football team Origo. They completely dominated eat apples. Coast came in having won ten of eleven games. I look at this matchup against the patriots. And I think that she's had the advantage on both sides of the football. They're playing at home. There's only one way the Kansas City. Chiefs loses game. And that's if Andy Reid does something silly abandons running game poor clock management, something like that. Andy reid. Do. I trust him in this spot to get it done. I'm a little bit leery. I think the chiefs have all the advantages and should win the patriots just played their best game of the year. I think they'll be a little bit flat. But the coaching matchup scares me. Well, I wouldn't be scared of the coaching matchup. Obviously you have to give vantage to the patriots. Still no matter how good the team look last year at Arrowhead last week. At aero hit that was the hottest team in football. The Indianapolis Colts the most balanced team in the playoffs turns of their rankings, and they had nothing for the cheese. And I think that's something you should tip your hat to give credit to Andy Reid. And we've heard this verbiage about Andy Reid that. He didn't have the quarterback he needed and therefore why he pulled the trigger and said by Alex Smith. Hello to patch Mahomes. He has a quarterback he needs. He has often see needs even minus Kareem hunt office is still hit nee stri not the same level, but hitting a stride that can can match up well with the patriots only thing that scares me is the patriots coming on the road where they're not good at three and five this year on the road. They come on a row and they play team in Belgium. Go have something it's gonna be one wrinkle. And is Patrick Mahomes is Andy ready for that one wrinkle because if they can get to plan B and succeed in plan B, they're fine. But that's the problem. They're going to rolled patriots sitting there saying we're the first time we haven't been favored as as a team in the playoffs since oh seven, and then they come out there with that wrinkle, but all things considered I'll say that the chiefs win this game. You know on pay for the chiefs should absolutely dominate this game. They have the more talented team. But it's not just telling their wins games. I think the newly pages have really figured out who they are. And their identity is what scares me, they are a chameleon. They are team that can change just I'll based on whatever to match ups are and we have seen Sony. Michelle has been a big factor. The last three games of the season. And the way they've run the ball. Then James white catching the ball out the backfield. I know the Kansas City Chiefs defense stood up and had outstanding performance against a Kohl's. But the patriots of different, and it's just hor for me despite all the advantages being in the chiefs camp is hard for me to go against pages when the patriots have been here as straight years, they understand how to get it done. It is just hor for me to think that Bill Belichick is going to let this will slip through his fingers. Even though he doesn't have the better team and to beat his own to Bill Belichick, but didn't have Patrick Mahomes. I think this young quarterback is a difference. And he's a quarterback this like he likes to be a better take. Okay. He doesn't worry about that this team. If you just go out and do what you've done all you run your offense on offense do that. If you run the football will run the football with I think we had one hundred twenty nine yard run the football. You know, let let Mahal stole the football when he has to that throw that he through the Kelsey the one, oh man that is very few guys can make that throw. I mean, really running and throw it accurately. I say they go out and play Kansas City Chiefs football, the weather's going to be both my co weather. You know, these two well called over them. That's no fact, I just believe if if the chiefs do what they're supposed to do being at home they should win. Let me tell you the wrinkle their Bella checks to have an it's not even really wrinkled. Just the common sense that the colts didn't have the patriots will have a game plan for Travis. Kelsey, the colts did not the coast is led Travis Kelsey just one while the latter. Then they lead Tyree he'll run wild. And did they game plan for anybody? And the. Patriots will have a plant. Travis Kelsey will not be the New England Patriots. Somebody else going to have to do it. That's gonna be the adjustment in see what Patrick Mahomes does. And what Andy Reid does when they take Travis Kelsey. Yeah. I mean look the coats chargers zone. Playing teams just went into the playoffs. Said, hey, here's our own again. The quarterback when I'm like, oh, we're playing that game. You give me the Astor's just want to know, if I write them back if I regurgitate like all that was there playing acreages games when guess a man press mix it up like you said being chameleon dorm off guard just that one second. I remember we had this. We had this this speech therapist came in with this crazy speech, therapists, come in with the mental health coach. And so the speech therapists, going just sitting there like, okay? Some of us could speak in front of the Mike some of us can't and we're not comfortable, whatever. Then the mental health coach came up and sit, you know, the difference in terms of one split-second how your life can change and everyone sitting there like what does it what do you mean? And they showed us to clips not was. It was very senators and showed us to clips of you making the players that three our laws because of that's second reaction, and you delaying 'cause desperate second. And it's a six yard touchdown. That's all you need to do to Tom Brady and others is just have them off their game for that split second. Hopefully, they're going to roll the dice and try and get some of those moments. Yeah. I think we're Bill Belichick. He obviously is gonna come up with a plan the first game. Tyreek, yo hurt them. Tyreek he'll head three touchdowns had over one hundred receiving yards. One of those was a seventy five yard touchdown. He cannot be a factor. They also will have to contain trip. Travis kilty. I think the big thing in this. I believe that the patients are going to dare Andy Reid to run the ball because he's not a a really loves running the ball. He likes to throw it. So they're going to in my estimation. They say we'll see if you will commit to giving the ball Dame. And is he good enough to beat defense? We'll see if they can use a tactic against the chiefs. Let's move to New Orleans where the eagles home for a Super Bowl repeats Lippou out schon Jeffries fingers yesterday at I like, the Nick foles magic Mike continue with the QB leaving eagles to an early fourteen nothing lead over the saints. But after the first quarter foles turn back into a pumpkin. And drew Brees fought back to take the lead for good after the game. Foles was asked about his future in Philadelphia. You know, I'm not really gonna worry about it right now. I think you know, I'm just going to do what I can to enjoy this five back with my teammates. And we'll see what happens, but I'll tell you this. I've enjoyed every single moment. And it will always have a special place in my heart. The city the fans the people everything about it. There's nothing like playing in the link in front of the crowd is so my favorite moments family's got to experience them. My daughter's got to experience them. So we'll see what happens, but I've enjoyed everything. I actually still believe Nick foles is a better fit for the Philadelphia Eagles moving forward and have. I'll Sean Jefferies doesn't let that ball his hands. And they actually go on to win this game. I think everybody agrees with me. And Carson Wentz is done in Philadelphia. But I still think and I know there's a twenty million dollar deal. You gotta sign him to thank for. I think for Doug Peterson. Nick foles is a better fit. I agree with that. But he go you could just tell Nick foles is going one step mutual option. Twenty million dollars to the team has the least amount of cap space next year, and three speech that did it. The family. We loved the moments. We enjoy the city he his age. I gave you one year to go out there and get some more love and Philly and take that backup role pressure off you now to cash in you pay me for a reason it's time for me to do my job, which is go get you top dollar on the free agency market, and he will command that top dollar. So I just see it right now at Sean Jeffrey, actually saved everyone. He forced the decision that they were uncomfortable making which is Carson Wentz he'll up comeback, Sean Jeffrey comeback. Redeem yourself Nick foles, you have a clean break because the Nick foles magic and go somewhere else, we're not talking about a two-time Super Bowl in VP. We're talking about one would a great run the next year by by he's gone. I just think is crazy for the Philadelphia Eagles to kind of move off from him win. It to me is clear in apparent that. They play a little differently when he is at the controls. When I talked to coaches all of them will say look Carson winces by far the more talented player, but the. Office runs a little different. When Nick foles is there. He is the distributor. He allows Doug Peterson to control the joystick. It runs like the system is supposed to run. And sometimes when you have a guy that is more talented. It is harder to rain those guys in. And I just think he was making decision. Do you wanna go with the winning quarterback or the franchise quarterback because they want to go with the winning quarterback? They say we're foles if they wanna go to franchise quarterback they were winced. But we don't know if we'll see a play full season or even when a playoff game. Thank you have to go with the young franchise quarterback. I mean, you put the money into last year he wouldn't have gotten her causing would not have gotten hurt. I think he been MVP, but if was a fifth we'd all be drawn. This is Nick foles gone. I'm what you that speech. I think you gotta you know, if he played in the middle of the different, you know, stated, but I just feel like that that you have to stay with the guy you draft it. I mean, he was playing so great. And but Nick foles fist this offense per he does what he's supposed to do an office. I think when sometimes come outside office as time goes on, you know, ally maybe next year when winces back has a full season. I think I think I think for sure I think all of us will say they make the right decision. If I'm a team that's gonna go out and spend big money on Nick foles. I I'm a little bit leery because I'm like if Doug Peterson as part of the package, I'll spend the money on Nick foles, but someone all that coaching tree to me. Someone that's worked with Nick foles in Philadelphia needs to be a part of this package because I just don't put plug Nick foles into any offensive system and expect to get these type. Results. And so I if I'm the Philadelphia Eagles, or if I many of these other first of all, I'm not sure what the market is going to be for Nick foles, particularly in a good situation. And maybe there is some bad team. You pay a lot of money and he can go play for the Bengals in their new head coach. Maybe that's what he'll he'll end up doing. We'll see, but I would want Nick foles in this system working with people that have had this success with him not just Nick foles and some new coaches never played with. Why got one example when I always bring it up is the rich Gannon example. And I think that marriage made in heaven was rich Gannon John grooten, Nick foes, and now we're talking Doug Peterson. But people forget in the details of that then Jon Gruden left rich Gannon, and everybody's all is he going to go back to being the journeymen. Or is he going to be still rich Gannon? He improved the next year. And that was the MVP season of for rich Gannon. So, you know, maybe he's learned enough. He got his moxie he feels himself. He Tana step out on your own regardless of what the eagles one. It's a mutual option. Like eagles can say we want you at twenty million. Carson Winston his eight million. And then we still have a franchise quarterback in the two of you guys at twenty eight that works under the numbers. But it's tough to go out there and really get his man this is about security as well. Go. Let's return to the LA Coliseum out century where the Rams ran roughshod over the Cowboys win Saturday coming into the game. Dallas defense was getting a lot of love. And they were probably just shocked everyone else's C J Anderson, put it on them. But they weren't the only disappointment this weekend. Andrew luck was allegedly the hottest quarterback in the league. But it looked like his arm gave out in Saturday's boy lost to the chiefs. This is tough for me. I can go either way what was more disappointing Andrew luck. Or the Dallas Cowboys defense. I'm gonna go with a slight lean Andrew luck. One ten of a Levin. My man her promoting him as the MVP the leave. And do this guy was out there throwing the javelin. I'm not sure I'm most he's got a noodle arm. Man. I'm not so sure about Andrew luck. Dallas defense was bad. But I better shot of them recovering me thinking more highly of him or again than than Andrew lucked me ever seen him the same way. I did. Yeah. For me, if the Cowboys defense now, you may great argument because I was sitting there battling this conversation tells like, whoa, Andrew luck man noodle arm like he's putting too much body behind these stroz in new mechanics with. So I get that. And I'm gonna be patient with them because he just was comeback here. So this perspective. But but that Cowboys defense they came in. And it's coach always says we got a game plan. We got to execute that game plan then deal with whatever comes their game plan was this. They have a great running game with Ezekiel Elliott, the league's leading rusher. And then they have a defense that is top ten seventh overall v. Against the rush. And what did they do to a top five rusty fits get out the way for me? If you can't even do what you do well in playoff moments. You don't stand a chance for me? The Cowboys just showed up, and it was his jerseys on the field. It wasn't people in Seoul. 'cause they were getting got. Agley cobweb fan for me. That's hard to do macabre. Then for shoes Cobb. I'm a Dallas Cobb weapon you wash your defense, get demolished you talk about these linebackers. How great they are. You know, how they can stop the run how to shut New Orleans down. I had been playing great all these couple of weeks. And what what are the Rams going to do with this cowboy defense? The Rams haven't been run the ball whale. They're run the ball enough. Todd Goto girlies hurt. Jared Goff doesn't look like Jared Goff. So the cobwebs you I mean, I think if I'm a cowboy fan, I'm like, oh, no problem. We want you to run the football. Well, we did run the football so familiar, it's the Dallas cowboy defense. Yeah. I mean, there's something about someone giving up almost three hundred rushing yards personal. I mean that is really embarrassed. I mean, the fact that I mean, you can't stop them in the way. They did it it. I mean, it's just embarrassing. But then when I look at the coast I down and two two minutes, we're left in the first half. And you have arguably a guy that we touted as the best prospects is John Elway at the quarterback position in a league that supposed to be about the quarterback. Some of that has to fall Andrew lug three and out three out three and out. Look you expect a top quarterback to be able to find a way to keep them in rhythm. These games are typically decide about the quarterback. He didn't have a great game. I'm very disappointed in the way to deplane and Bucky. Let's just remember the Rams have one of. The great offenses. We believe the chiefs have one of the league's worst defenses and Andrew luck. The number one overall pick guy that top two or three quarterback in the league. Didn't get a first down. He's got good pass protection from his art. Good enough affect from his offense of line. Nothing basis there were balls in the dirt. From start to finish with Andrew luck. I was just blown away and he's facing a bad defense and can't get a first down to this two minutes left in the half. Man of the thesis of my next comments will be regression. And it's interesting if you keep perspective without routing what I'll have your emotions involved just look at the Jecht of numbers. And you look has regressed. Now, you say his individual numbers this year comeback player two years going to say, no he hasn't. But think about it the team every single year I years eleven and five layoffs every single year that got better better than got smoked in AFC championship game. Did have the reset. He had to get out the game. Here's the thing. That's interesting about Andrew luck into protection. Always brought up. The Cam Newton. Andrew luck compares, and I'm like we really protect Andrew luck. He got injured then got hurt and further more. So when he was injured skin injured. And then all of a sudden, we just let that go. Then he comes back has different mechanics and he plays. Well, then he gets in this moment again. And this is what five six years later, and you can in a divisional round. So for that franchise. They have to start to add this up. Are we getting better? Here's another one the Cowboys two years ago when deck purse was rookie. This was the thirteen win team that had a home divisional playoff game and lost. It didn't get beat up. Like they did against the Rams years later, which is a ten win t. Right. And then they go out there and get smoked on the road. All I'm saying is we're gonna keep it all zero or nothing game. And look at it all or nothing the copes and the Cowboys are going to go into this season telling everybody all here, we come y'all. We're supposed to been here if not farther along then you are right now. And you'll look take some of that this defense has to take some of that defense. Definitely take some of it. And I know coming out of the game. It talked about the LA Rams have entails on the Dallas defensive line knowing when they were stunning Newman they were bringing fresh your. Angles to me. I think we can talk about the team, but they got out coast. The fact that the rims not only physically whipped him. But they L scheme them that they dominated them in every facet of the game. I think if I'm Jerry Jones, I have to just reset and not necessarily looking my defensive staff, but I gotta look at my office staff and wonder why can't we have some of the creativity to some of these other teams are doing some of the things that we do. I wanna see people going just we besides von Osten. I want see. Guys are having fun. And it looks like the office decided they are basically playing to nineteen ninety two and ninety three Cowboys without the ninety two ninety three talent up. Wait tell if they're just gonna line up and walk out and be and what was telling Jerry Jones didn't speak to the media after the game. And he said last time he did that a lot of sweeping changes in the coaching staff. So maybe that's Jerry changes. I won't back to the show. I'm Jason Whitlock is Marcellus Wiley time to put on our thinking caps. Bucky? Brooks is back with us. We're joined now by USA. Today's finest words column Bill as you all know, I'm a journalist, and we've got our resident Ivy league room here. Columbia's very oh Marcellus Wiley for look. Big issues for. Vessel camp for Columbia grad. I know bring it on in. Oh, jen. Where'd you? Go to school way. I'm a Spartan Michigan. Eight east Lansing. Let's move to the NFL coaching carousel which is finally slowing down. After a busy week. That's all six head coaching vacancies still there. Now, just two jobs remaining with the Bengals expected to hire. Another Sean McVeigh clone in Rams decisions activity while the dolphins are expected to hire patriots linebacker coach and defensive play caller, Brian Flora's. A lot of people are up in arms because floors would be the only minority coach hired in season. This all five black coaches fired. But one of those fire coaches, Todd Bowles doesn't see it that way. I said there's only thirty two head dealt in the league. And there's a lot of people they could feel like they're discriminated against. And there's a lot of people that don't get a chance regardless of race. And he's just have to coach your hardest and do your best and the opportunity comes up, and you have a chance to grab it you grab it if not you'd be the best coach you can be. All right. This is a spicy topic. I'm gonna get a started by saying, look, I. I think context and perspective is important. And I think progress is not a year to year thing it has to be judged over time. And I think that coaching hires in the NFL particularly released African American coaches it's going to be just like the Dow Jones is the Dow up over a five ten twenty year window, or is it down? It can't be just a year to year thing. I think what happened this year five afro American coaches being that's an anomaly, and I think that the NFL in my view winning is so important, and there's so much money to be made. And there's so much money on the line. I just don't think these owners are sitting around all. I don't want to hire. Mike tomlin. I I don't wanna hire. Anthony Lynn, I just think these guys want to win. And I think if we look over the course of time, black coaches are making progress and will continue to make progress that point because that gives you perspective love that point. Progress success is not linear a lot of people think that every single year for you to progress. It means you have to be taking steps forward. No. There are times where you take a step forward. You take two steps back. But in the grand scheme of things that may be the best thing for you. So obviously, we know that there's an issue with black head coaches in NFL, but this year to use this as the indictment, I think is unfair. And I was showing you a list of the fire NFL coaches black and white and you come the quickly realize if you look at the top four three of them are white coaches, and what does that tell me the three of winning winning percentage are white coaches? So they're looking at white coaches and saying this blade is sharp as well. And you're a winning coach. So they're getting rid of the white coaches and a tune that even greater than the black coaches at turns a win percentage. The black coaches, unfortunately are all at the bottom turns a whimper. Which kind of justifying their firings. But I hear I hear the reaction. Hey, but they're not replacing them. We'll black coaches, which is a conversation. We need to have this is why think is taking time for black coaches to come through the pipeline. They basically have said what they want. They want officer minded coach particularly of former quarterback if you could find him young innovative, creative and not scared to go against the grain. Now, why aren't there a lot of black coaches coming through that pipeline? Let's go back to eighties when they were still telling black players you can't play quarterback. And so it's a patient that needs to occur in this situation that I think will Byron left which my former teammate former quarterback black now office coordinator for the Tampa Bay bucks will get an opportunity if they can fix James Wisden consistently to get his opportunity now if he gets slighted and others who meet that criteria and chick every box. Then I have a issue. But for right now, I have the NFL notice. No one we need to fix this problem. But black players former players coaches give them what they want. Beal officer mind that is a former quarterback possible. And that think that will give you the fast track to success? It's one that you brought it up about quarterbacks because quarterbacks obviously the pipeline to be in a head coach going all the way back. Dr Harry air was did a study back in the sixties and seventies talking about positions of centrality to coaches, come from quarterback center, middle linebacker free safety doing the sixties and seventies blacks were necessarily allowed to play those positions because they reviewed thinking man's positions. And so it is only been of late within the last twenty years that America's been comfortable seeing black quarterbacks. And so naturally the more black quarterbacks that we see as they begin to go into coaching. Hopefully, they will get an opportunity to be in the line. But I'm gonna go back to something. That Paul Silas told. Me one time when I bumped into him for NBA great in head coach he said, the one thing that you can't be in any league. You can't be black an average. So when you're black and your head coach the Lisa's shorter. If you're not successful. So the spite whatever the circumstances are no one cares. You need to figure out a way to win. Because if you win then it creates opportunities for others. That's just the way it is. And that's what everyone has to understand when they sign up for those jobs. You have to win well respect to what everyone is saying. And some good points here. Let let me just back track for a second. When you talk about the timing you go back to the nineteen nineties mid nineties later in the nineties before we had to Rooney rule, and some of the same things that you heard back then you're still hearing now. So when you talk about progress, there's not been a lot of progress in terms of what we here in. Well, you would hit you would hear things back in the nineties like, well, you have to have coaches in the pipe. Plein or the owners have to be comfortable dealing with someone out of a different culture. You're still hearing some of those same things said now, and this is the type of model that we're looking for when you look at a guy like Bella check, for example, a defensive coats not a quarterbacks coach. So you can make these excuses, and you could have these prototypes for what you're looking for. And it doesn't always fly because you have to talk about leaders of of people, organizational leaders people who can delegate people who can get the most out of their players, and the coaches and things of that nature, and it doesn't have to be a situation where this guy fits this box. We'll see how these coaches turn out in the next couple three years. The one thing to your point Marcel that has happened is that the time line for coaches black white and otherwise is shorter than it was ten twenty years ago. So you'll get two or three. Two years. Yeah. And then you talk about the market. It's a bear market, right? Because you're talking about fourteen hires over the past two hiring cycles and to African Americans hired and one fired already of those two, right? So let's make sure we take a snapshot of that. And you look at a guy they're talking about as the favorite to get the Cincinnati job, which about Zack Taylor off Shawn McVeigh's staff and the cardinals had that ridiculous statement in their release when they talked about hiring cliff kingsborough as a friend of Sean McVeigh's like that's going to be something that will get you a point. Evidently, it did with somebody. But Zac Taylor is the assistant wide receivers coach for the Los Angeles. Rams. He's not the coordinator. He's not the quarterback who years ago. It was. Well, that's what it says in the book right now this year's quarterback. But look at the enemy though, here would be my deal is I don't buy into this quarterback. Hid colts deal to everybody seems bought into. I think that's what's and again, and I get into quarterbacks when you play that position. It is a leadership position. And maybe it does. But Bila check is still the blueprints who deals barbeques against Lombardi is still the blueprint, right? I don't remember Don Shula's quarterback career. I can go through a lot of I don't remember the Bill Parcells by quarterback fat off into to me. Any me big fat offense of lime right? There are and so I think the media and everybody has been because at the end, I say this all the time the NFL is just a television show if you look at Hollywood until the vision, we mimic everything is oh my God. The college is a good show. I'll come up with the fresh prince. I prince good I'll come up with. The different world. In the same vein. And so everybody's bought into this shaman vague high and silent vase great one is off game news day, but I think we've gone overboard. And so I can't wait for us to snap out of this cycle that we have now that everybody's gonna be X quarterback to be a head coach. Well, you talk about quarterbacks in here to coaches who didn't get hired in this cycle who have extensive experience with quarterbacks Jim Caldwell and Mike McCarthy two guys who are out there in the market. So I think part of the thinking too is the age thing because you think that okay now you've got a young quarterback. He has to have a young quarterback coach. No Jim quarterbacks can relate to leadership, regardless of the age. Right. And and so if you talk to them and you teach him and you help position them to win. I think they'll take it if you're fifty five or if you're thirty five so some of these ideals of what is except. Dible for some of these owners, it's really shameful to tell you the truth, and it's fluid into Jason's point. And I get it sometimes conflicted. Is there a race component to everything we see from the NFL? And sometimes there is sometimes there's not it's interesting just yesterday in NFL. It was shameful for coach to change his system and make it collegiate and open up his book and let these junctures just take the row. And now if you don't do that, you're pretty much on the outs. And it's amazing. How you said it is cyclical if fluid and right now in this moment, they're saying we won't young Hollywood looking maybe, but more importantly Xs in those officer minded quarterbacks then you look at that pool for us as a black former player, that's where we're not showing the same volume as others their sniping. Mike McCarthy was a top five win percentage. Coach right now, they're sniping. Anyb-? Body odor. Not with that claw. Yes. Very volatile time. And I think what we have to do is. We have to look beyond just a quarterback position. I knew his very easy also easy when all of the analysts on TV are former quarterback. So naturally, we can sit what we consistently here is the game viewed do the as of the quarterback. And so when we kind of take that out of in really look at the game. There are a lot of great tacticians strategic guys that are out there that don't play quarterback visits. Back to the show of Jimmy's here to help us talk about our Provea ratings for Tom Brady. What are you a telephone repairman? A new addition. Us. Oh, I got a better idea real real real. I got an idea for a new show was our not got an old mistake Email, anyway, listening is called leave it to the beaver you my brother wildly. And you his looking. How old are you? Knows nobody. Think about that. Who is lumpy? I remember they had to pick between the two. I'm sure America can do. Lumpy rutherford? Here's a highlight from our discussion earlier about Tom Brady. Oh, we're going to talk about Tom Brady, the greatest American athlete of his generation bar. None Tom Brady is the Muhammad Ali of his era. Football is a great game of skill a greater game a wheel for whatever reason. He is will not only the patriots. But he's wield his coach into being into discussion as the greatest coach ever when his coach is a head. Coach was a losing head coach before Tom Brady stepped on the field all those things considered. I'm with you which with Tom greatest greatest. Some agreement today Brady the greatest of all time of what do you got to hear for? What's your take Tom Brady greatest of all time? Right. There is the any shame to you. I mean, really anything. I I would talk about Muhammad Ali. We had to compare them to rocket Montana. They would every time the media type I'm Ali we got here about ragging Mazda now. Talk. Mohammed Ali now, we've got here about Tom Brady stock. Jason Tom Brady is not Muhammad Ali. Okay. Okay, bro. You ain't gonna be happy to you got the nation of Islam up here smother you were being pies. Now, we eat our way. Ma'am. Moore's I know you the million more. But that's only going by you gaze so much loyalty. You can only play that card so much. That's up. Yeah. I said his will is will to win is similar to Muhammad ALI'S. Jason. Birdie plays AFC's. Like Ali fighting. Peter wagner. Peter mcneeley. Jerry, Corey Chuck women who. Butter beans. Ali took on the best. He beat the bitch. The AFC east is the great white hype. I used to play AMC's. Have you don't have any respect for what Brady's accomplice? Now saying that did I say that close. Look to catch a lot of breaks come on beyond me. He had to tuck rule spy. Did you? I'm sorry. Did you mean to look at my phone? I'm sorry. I just broke it made of the gate gate. It rumored he had to play the balls did that ever get through. People don't notice man, but I take it. Three Philip rivers kids sick about Saturday night. Quiff work when you got three kids. I'm sorry. No. You don't nine nightmare. Imagine imagine flying eight kids from Boston late minute, come home ahead loss and. In Boston from LA. I'm saying eight kids that changed. I remember what semi decin took her three boys. My two step kids and little Jimmy for my second marriage. We went to six flags they damn to kill me. Stopping every thirty minutes for a little kid piss this wanna drive through every little drive through. She wanted to stop thought. I was going. Didn't has chance. Chains. Approval rating for Tom Brady before we get out of here. I'll I wanted to go with a perfect score here. I feel leading feel good about Tom Brady but job performance. I'm just twenty four. He did throw ten incompletions all time greatest twenty five. You can't you can't get any better than that. Character. I got him up a point alway Twenty-one authencity Twenty-three, Tom Brady ninety three goats. My goal goes not as fat as go. One hundred look same thing with me job for all grade. Is he still has the gates on his records? Whatever you won't cares. Nobody cares about the twenty five in character. There. There's a week here. A little bit inland, boys. You got a baby, mama. You know? Nothing quick. Jason. My wanna take a couple of notes and Philip rivers. If I at least need to go. We'll take them knows. No. No.

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Bonus: Introducing Lost at the Smithsonian with Aasif Mandvi

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Bonus: Introducing Lost at the Smithsonian with Aasif Mandvi

"Hey unhappy our listeners. Were bringing you a special bonus this week as you know. I hate a lot of things like salt and vinegar chips Brussel sprouts and group exercise but two things I love our pop culture museums yeah okay. She's cultured so I want to introduce you to a podcast that combines these two loves lost at the Smithsonian. It's a new pop culture history podcast from stitcher explores the little known stories behind some of the most iconic artifacts at the National Museum of American history over ten episodes comedian in an actor aasif Monte formerly of the daily show will examine cultural treasures like fonzie jacket. The Ruby red slippers from the wizard of Oz is an early versions of Jim Henson's muppets and we have an exclusive clip just for you off stumbles on the road that Muhammad Ali war while training for his famous fight against George Foreman the rumble in the jungle in this clip. You'll hear about how this was way more than just a boxing match. It had had nothing to do with grills. The legendary event was the Bitch Ella of. It's time you know enough from me. Here's lost that the Smithsonian back in Smithsonian storage would looks like an unassuming. Terry Cloth Training Robe with simple block lettering that says Muhammad Ali and above is his signature so little frayed at the edges here a little yellow represents an icon and a legend who who was the greatest that sports has ever produced here comes Ali you can see. They're very calm. It's age against you. They've got these two American African American boxers George Foreman Mohammed Ali's. He'd lost his title title and now he was trying to the current heavyweight boxing champion. The odds were stacked against L. E. Right out of the gate gate because he was older form and had was undefeated formidable opponent. Yes for sure when I meet this man. If you think the world was surprised when Nixon resigned wait allow with forms and in terms of the actual the fight in Zaire how did that come about it was with Don King being I think they had connections with the people in Zaire and thought this would be like this great new sort of mass spectacle that would elevate interest and not only the fight but also the nation of Zaire and also like a you know they had this big concert and James Brown in addition to being a major sporting event. The rumble in the jungle was also a major musical event. James Brown was there be king was there the spinners were there global spectacle well that was none other than legendary boxing promoter. Don King Jitney Super John's to come into one phone and do one thing six thousand miles from home that was blackness that was distributed to accept blackness to help practice trust practice and two associated stepper blackness. We all are citizens of the world. You know it ain't about us being led we WANNA be against. Nobody cares about us saying that we for each other so that there was this celebration ration- connecting African culture with African American culture that could be both celebrated and exploited in some ways in order to get people excited about the fight at the time that was kind of a new concept but in terms of rumble in the jungle considered one of the most important sporting events at twentieth century. Why do you think that was no long run. There's a lot of big events but they don't always hold up so you have this huge audience for championship fight that was like incredible years the Ali the story itself and I'll ease Robo finish to that fight where he got let himself get punched basically and tricked for men and new yet one shot and and was able to accomplish it and that was huge. Ali's rope finish was the key to his victory. He let himself get backed up against the ropes then used his arms to block as many a forms punches as he could once foreman was worn out. Ali made his move. We'll get into rope would open a few minutes but just no it was all about outsmarting his younger opponent. Mohammed Ali dancing around in the national anthem. I mean I know like from myself growing up in a Muslim family and my parents I grew up in India in the sixties. You Know Ali the fact that he was this outspoken black Muslim. I think there were a lot of Muslims around the wall who sort of took ownership of him in some ways you know like he's one of us and so I just remember as a kid the idea of sort of giving the middle finger to colonialism and the oppression by not fighting in Vietnam. Why should I go and fight. The White Man's ends war. What have they done for me as a black American so I think there was a real resonance have vowed this fight being Africa of all places right. I think eh been in America. I don't think it would have had the same impact sure right yeah. The international scope of it was important and you know he won three lost one three times the belt so that kind of like just adds to this kind of legacy and stature that he had also so smart and funny he knew oh how to use this controversy to kind of help his bank account as well as the beaver was fighting so I think all around just like really is they say remarkable the term that he's worth remarking upon because he's so distinctive when I got the Africa I had one hell of a rumble. I had to be ties behind I for claiming claiming to be the king of the jungle so so that was a sneak peek from lost at the Smithsonian with us if you can listen on stitcher apple podcast or your favorite podcast APP till next time.

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Breaking News: George Foreman WANTS to TRAIN Wilder For Fury TrilogyShould He Hire Big George

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Breaking News: George Foreman WANTS to TRAIN Wilder For Fury TrilogyShould He Hire Big George

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I'm happy for fury but I see a need for wilder so we're going to break down exactly how we interpreted. George Foreman's verbal very public offer to train the former wbz champion deontay wilder the browns bomber. And we want to know what you guys think. What's your thoughts? What does big George Bring to the table? And should he hire big George Foreman? This is what we're going to be talking about. The number has not changed one. Four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice your opinion right here voice people outline. Don't forget hit that thumbs up but if you're just joining US 'cause helpful to visibility to the show and it's GonNa make us want to do numerous shows throughout the day. Let me head on out to my co hosts in Indiana the gross. I was both say the boss. The boss imply that speak it believe it receives speaker believe receiving speaker believer receive. Casey speaking to field candidates bands old VIC. Oh he shot missed to stand over now. I read one on look when the building on. Let me check my instagram. I might be at a meeting. Dot Com. You'll Yo Yo. Yo Yo what went. Welcome back with another one another one. Another one everybody outdone. Tbb universities Big Jars like be George for Northam man and we. We gotTa Know Right George. Former ANC cloud chasing on saint doing that. He just putting out because he won't some recognition. I George Guy The man Georgia probably a Mo- top ten time Johnson. He got he got his maximum boxing kind of CBD cream that takes away the ICS meals so you guys can all the old grandad's out there can feel rejuvenated but what can be George Teaching. Outta what can be joist and big Jauregui sixty eight knockout you bring in a knockout punch to big George. Who knows something about not I think? In my humble opinion big George could be. Don't you ain't got to maybe your New China? Just hey come come sit with me. I'm just opened up a invitation to you. It's not even about bugs in and training. It's an open invitation to come in two to four weeks with me so we'll break that down and get into what's going on this. Yeah man so I mean what do you think he meant by it was do we take it literally Because he says at the end he said I'm happy for fury but I see a need for wilder and I'm wondering what does he mean like? Does he see a need for a trainer for wilder disease? See a need in boxing for a while like the character and personality. A wilder is needed in boxing. Like what does he mean your interpretation of But I see a need for wilder. My sometimes the spirit should just move you in different ways than maybe maybe something came up with. George when he watched that fight with theory and in a while maybe he added Flash BACK TO THE ROPE. A dope fight where where people thought he was going on. Now wait a minute now. Mike Tyson Muhammad Ali and that and that did not happen. So maybe Joyce knows something about being on a big stage and losing like that so I think leave outer. I'm back and go in. So many different directions noticed it could be a need for advice or need to defend down and and no Santo Library. I been through it before. Like not not me person. Majority Zombie will be saying. I've been through it before. So is like honestly if. I was if I was a team wilder I would. I would took George up on his offer because one thing you gotta you must know one thing that has got to be said out loud. Georgia's not out here trying to clough chase. He denied something. George even doing on Saturday he he. He is a businessman He. He's a very very wealthy man. He is more famous ship before. It's great for football for boxing. That grill is an across the United States of America. So I'm just saying like George's if not out here just saying just saying I think he really is sincere. Bell One wild or to to come out to four weeks absolutely. I don't think this is chasing Google some George Information and he's made over two hundred million just on the George Foreman Grill. So it's definitely not cloud chasing for popularity or di Nero right translate into money. The man doesn't need money I think he's just a serious boxing fan. That seriously believes he can add something to the game of the ONTA- wild about the problem with that is You Know Puncher. What do you think about? That was the best way to learn somebody that that you cannot relate to George Guy Sixty eight sixty eight knockouts doubt. He knows Banger. Talk about setting up and knocking people out of there. I'm just saying like somebody who had mystique about him to look at you know I I get it but I mean. Look Georgia's outclassed by Mohammed Ali. And you know. I guess it's safe to say that for generations. Muhammad Ali is Tyson Fury. So I mean is he living off experience L. O. X? Is that what he brings table that you? Oh I've been there before you know and I could teach it now. How not to happen to you but like I'm a little bit you know. I don't know I'm scratching my head with this one. I don't think we have a generation moment. I think I sincerely is absolutely the closest thing to that. I just don't like when we all got to go back and call eight. Nine guys set the path up he. He owns trajectory taxes the Gypsy kings and he's running to weight division right now. What maybe maybe not but back to George Foreman. I I think he's good at bringing a male what's question conflict. I took a bunch of like. What do you think a punch a helping puncher? Is it GonNa do any difference or is it just a mistake? Out Making them it's like bringing light mandate individual knows something about having that mystique about him having that that that theory that when he got in the rain. But you're going to get knocked out. I don't understand how this could be bad like you. Don't even gotta try. We don't know what George Intense Aria WanNa try. Just want to talk to him. I WANNA see whereas Miami talked to him for two to four weeks. O M J. I am so excited I salon scaring come out here and get away from bribe. Jim Jordan got like a a ranch somewhere. Probably got two hundred million dollars. He got some nice south. South Dakota would be on saying how in the valley and the Heels and shit in this because in things that maybe some video or we can watch some training tips saying but I don't WANNA be a trainer. I just want you look Jews and things that I learned over over time going to say I want to pick your brain and your psyche. Maybe joys wanted to do man. I doubt it man. George offered to train a Anthony Joshua after his loss. I think George wants to get into training business but I think it's safe for us and fair for us to act. Who's trained and and what's his experience right? Because not all good. Trainers were great fighters and not all great fighters or good trainers. I've yet to see a great fighter. Not Be a great train ashore. Roy Jones junior absolutely. Oh he trained. Somebody greatly who I'm saying I haven't seen I haven't seen like Michael Jordan. A become a great basketball owner because maybe hits kind of greatness just like he he can't he can't recognize or teach tell because today in the becaming him other people. Don't get so I don't they roy. Jones is a good trainer at all. I everybody loses right. Yeah not much okay. So yeah it's tough man like when you guys gifted in God and God blessed saying it's tough to the people think that just come. Naturally you invest why. This is good. 'cause one pain to come naturally to both guys. Power is putting on the campus. And then they not getting back up. That's one thing that I think. Call as good and I think George Foreman could be good for a while and maybe teach them how to I. Guess I don't Know Man. This teaching maybe not even teaching. I'm going back to that. Maybe it's not even the evening teaching. Maybe it's just talking. Maybe it's just having a conversation I mean. Obviously there's some technical deficiencies and it's going to take more than a conversation to be Tyson fury I mean you think all he needs is a motivational speaker and he could be able to get the win. I'm of the mindset. You don't go from what I've seen the first fight to what I've seen in a second fire without something something not being an ally you know what. I'M SAYING THAT SAME FOR EMPTY. Joshua you don't go from what I've seen in the fight to what I've seen in the weeds site. Something Gatsby out of somebody writing on some was just wrong on that night or or something happened. I'm trying to care notice. Berge anybody because I don't have any inside information but just from my own personal Dan something. Don't look right that that drop-off is just too big for me. I don't I don't think theory is that much better than Deontay. Wilder there You know he showed it on a Saturday night. I don't think he's leaps and bounds. Better than why would we say and I felt like he's not but in the second flight he he shows something else. Oh I just think that if water has an open. Mind all the vice. Not good advice is coming from this racing on. Not Not not great. Have People that you that you have respect for non-standard. Bet that you can't come to you and give you a vice org us. Thank you might want to look out for or improve in everybody's doing you're going to live man. I'm sick. I'm sick of hearing it. I'm sick of hearing I'm sitting here. I hear you man I'm just abyss skeptical. We've never seen George. You know train anybody let alone this level I'm looking for resume. You know where is it Canny do it. Is this too much of a task and you know like I don't know I don't know. Can you think of someone better than George? I mean I mean like other trainers that you think. I don't even know if he's going to get into. I don't I don't I don't want to go down the rocket. I ain't got no official news on own mark being let go where we acing. Nothing official say. Marquette been let go. I really don't WanNa go down the pathway. It my The mark hasn't been I mean but we kind of already gone down that path with the whole assumption assumption but with with Form and coming out in a train them. I mean he's he's trying to fit in and get in again. I don't think it's about training two to four weeks. He's not saying. Come down and come spend some time with me. Come with attack with me now. I'm not saying that joy doesn't want to train them. Well what I am saying is I don't know if he wants to be his official trainer or just give me some some tips and some advice insurance him really Lewis. A kind of did that night in parking lot. What what what do you think would serve? Embed a pep talk or for him to be in. Can't thank both. I don't think a pep talk. If the thing the data George trying to I hate that word peptide like you got to get somebody going I. I really don't think if that I just think it's been in similar situations and maybe can bestow some of that Experience or wisdom onto water water have openings Yemen. Get out to the callers them and let's see what they think. I mean there's not much to say George came out on his official Twitter and said it may be immune by what about you somebody better better than George. You think joys can do a good job. Vetoing Jordan Kitt correlate while they do anything and coming look like you ain't gave a breakdown. Nothing I mean you know. Wow the man. I don't know I mean a George. I don't know what that Mesh is going to be like. And and you know for for George you know he's got no resume. Bro Has got no resume man We don't know what he what he can do. That's that's kind of where I mad. I don't know I don't know what you can do. You say you want to train. Aj You Shea and you want to train you know while the bully who have you chain wasn't his son a fighter I mean. I don't know I thought his son like George Foreman. A third one of them was a was a fighter for like a couple days. Maybe three or four fights assigned saying so. It's like did he trained his son and sometimes that don't work even though Antonio looking like he told his son looking he about signed but but they ask my strong on. Pbc Hemi may be may not be. Yeah Man Look it is what it is. I I know what the only thing I think George brings is like I said earlier. Hello publicity hello publicity. You attach legend. That's why they brought up the legends. That's why did you see that while the fury and Cannella Jacobs you know they got the vendors and and you know the whoever's World Lennox Lewis was there everybody was there. They want associated or boxing. When new box I noticed about the whole legend thing. Yeah Mike Tyson has very here. He's not GonNa do come home. 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Busy not getting much lately but I wanted to say that Yo- I'm trying to When I was I used to go to some fights all the time and No he he was there at some show support but he never was. Yeah nothing to do with the Corner WanNa work nothing. He was in the Senate so He was not training at some but I like I like this idea. And it's like a it's a it's a storyline. Not only that man. George George was one of the big heavyweights right. One of the bigger heavyweight so hyphen is wanted a bigger heavyweight so he probably he probably like okay. I know I know I remember my weaknesses. You know what I'm saying so The there could be some weaknesses. Something about lifting. I never been a heavyweight champion of the world. But he has right so he had to fill a certain type of way when he seem saying that. Title which hands like that are switched countries. Like that The other night. So He's like that. I mean I mean I just like the whole talk. Jd thanks for calling and we're going to boomerang in NL These bitches in the sport total disrespect has no coins. No LONGER DULL GAVRILO. Smartest thing you can do boogeyman. I'm challenging. That's one hundred billion million. What what what what. What the Hell is the bell was going on Jay Mack? Sorry for the slow entrance. O F We still in jail. Yeah man we we we gotta shutdown skype man. Too many are meant to me to my little kid games over the a the kid. Dave play by the person who was giving away the boomerangs. I gotTA say no names. Oh that's the person that was playing. The kid gains the same person's Daily Bul raising the last show. Why get married? Come all here because you take take Little the little blue thing you gave him wherever that shit is where he commute people and just do all Shit Mana. Do those some weird shit on this show there so got where when he got on here like For George Foreman I really think that's Insight I don't know how effective be while training. I'm curious to know I don't know I mean however it is Interesting definitely cause rather got a lot of explaining to doing this next fight. You know curious to see that it doesn't as you make an next can't I? Jame mcmurray won't WanNa you mentioned man name we are going to look sly. Boomerang Troy in Baltimore going on and we're going to rail in Detroit Ringer TV. What I feel like. I feel like the George. Foreman has water. Like is this just a like? How do we not yours? Format Extra China. His his verified twitter. He said it. Okay He said he said that he offers to turn you. He says Tom for Deontay while he said I think it's time for deontay wilder to come spend two to four weeks with me. Happy for fury but I see a need for wilder okay. So with that being said from The leads himself. I feel like your water. She check this offer of the odds. I want to keep everyone that he has his team since they've accomplished so much together already. I don't see We'll we'll be wrong form and possibly being ahead trainer of the camp says or for the first you know for the first time together being an assistant trainer just to appoint water in certain directions that you know he could be sharper and I feel like it's very good. Alright alright alright. Going out to is that I have have to be honest with yourself. That's by take a quick What I've met I just have a quick Thing is I really think that While can learn from from learn from forman because George Foreman to me is one of the most humble Takes ownership just seems like a good person and an an an owns losses and owned his weaknesses. Everybody's seen the fact that wild it was on Joe Rogan talking about a forty five pound vest every channel workout. I mean the man needs a lesson in humility. He needs a lesson in humility. It's a bad look. It is a really bad look and George. Foreman could get him to become more of a man. And more of an upstanding boxer because to a lot of people he means more than a box and get it and I understand that but like I mean as of right now. He's he's letting people down because he's not owning up to his mistakes and that is one of the worst personality traits you as a person is not taking ownership of your Mistakes in your life. So that's my opinion on the hospital. You guys have a good one all right boxing. Md as always. Thanks for calling THEM GOING TO AL in New Jersey talking you ready seven three to Iraq. You got it you got it you got it going now to check that. Mike Address supercharge. Let me get to these numbers. Please Sir Yoyo. We got a supervisor coming in from tiny Tan KNISS. Let's talk about the Joe. Rogan your show on well give us a title man What did we do? What do we do? What do we call the Joe Rogan on? What ARE WE GONNA call this? Oh man they want to correlate The the forty five pound weight vested accustomed. I give us a you know a titled to to build the subject of help us help us. We're going to looks like New Orleans and it's Jeremy Joshua Bro supposed to read that in my head so this jt now. I know that. Let me change that because when you first called in you said. Jammy now we know is jt gates. Oh Shit that's right that's right. See as what happens when you use to these guys calling on skype man so actually. The makeup is really shift. Hey thank you doing up to talk like the way I wanNA talk to you. Turn off his station saying you say my name online. I ain't nobody but now You must have two numbers on me as somebody saying by the new caller what Yeah but well yeah. He will be a good head trainer coach. They still like you said earlier. They both was boxer puncher. I think he needs somebody else with more skill level like Olympics. Lewis I I think they're James. Still be will be a good fight. Go coach Helped him Kenya toward her definitely. We're getting motivated. More mobile gotTA use his legs a little more. Would if I like a fighting style. Type fighters will be a one type of coaches will be coaches for him all right. Well thanks for calling in J. T. New Orleans looking like Aaron Kelly. Talk to me guys Everybody likes this move. I I said at the vile back while there needs new is in camp. I think form is the perfect fit and know what this in in a way redemption performing for his loss against Ali. We we're hearing they'll DASS ity that comparing theory Mohammed Ali right now and so what a better way to bring form some truth to that guy back and be but not any never will come in. He don't got it you gotta be. But he's definitely the only the only living heavyweight you can be compared to him okay so we can make argument but regardless connection performance forming a wilder has similar styles and forms. Perfect for wilder to you know inspire him and give them some tips. Basically a form and had a fight Ali again. What woman do differently. And that is the key advice. You would give to wilder on how to fight theory because theory fight similar. Ali used to thank them. But that's what I told my but I kind of said an indifferent way I was like I mean forming loss to leave so like what is he going to know. How loss because like Tyson is our generation's Muhammed Ali. Like is not. I mean you could say that. That's the next show. I could see that's Monday tomorrow morning. Show Tyson fury is the is our generation's in theory is our generation's Muhammad Ali Americans are mad. That's what it is. Yeah may cause he. Not If he was he was The best thing since Lebron look at the way he move look at the way he moves mannerisms were his own fists in the ring he wipes his nose. Like I li you know what I'm saying. He got the mannerisms. He's got the foot work. He's got the fucking outgoing this of Ali and let me tell you he liked Ali. He stands for his for his belief. Right you know we know. He has some Pretty Shady comments. But that's because those are his beliefs and he didn't care what the world would think if he expressed his opinion. But look it's all right. I don't expect you to run with that. You you know. A lot of people were hurt because of what happened? I'm her too. But I'm still seeing through realities glasses and like I know you can't Joe. Washington reminds you of Ali. And you can't say fucking Anthony. Robotic Joshua reminds you of Bali or perfecting Luis Ortiz and the list goes on and on and on until you stop at Tyson feeling. Like damn you know what he does. God around the Ring Golly. He is on his toes like Ali. You know he's got some mannerisms like Ali you know you could hit all you want and I think I leaving Switzerland a big boy switch to as six nine switch switch they met. They don't like that why you like that might well. Why can't be Ali k? Can't compare to Mama if not but he is George Foreman. Do you want to say that he be is George Foreman who want to I Wladimir Klitschko. I'm pretty sure more accomplished than Joe. Frazier what any what Joe Fridge and got more defensive than Vladic which wasn't oh man to be Joe for you. Would it be that? Maybe maybe maybe more defenses and done more had more world titles and more accomplices. Who's over there driving cabin Turkey and Germany which me? Oh you're saying he. He beat induced driving cabs. Don't leave disrespectfully. Who Do don't be disrespectful. Poo Eleven. Aj Mandatory donors up about. But I'll tell you what I'll Baga Alexander PEVEC and beat Eleni is who always knew heavyweights making a name off of fucking Beckett. This album was struck by a by David. Price with F. Forty is at forty is forty at forty. He'd been playing open two decades. Like Komo. Exactly exactly. You've done all right. I mean it's name another heavyweight Peter's name a heavy. Where's Nick. Listen Mike. You're going down the wrong argument name. Another heavyweight people. That veteran beat a resume to for you to say that he'd be better and better. Miran Bra Joe Frazier with a better man. Maybe I know. Maybe maybe he ain't do Vlad Don he ain't do of lead and ain't nobody done with Tyson. Tyson went to Germany and then he can't American twice boy got balls man. They his balls in behind them in the Gypsy wagon absolutely certain great. Great fighter for for this generation but he's not Mohammed Ali and I'm not saying he is I said he's the only thing close to he's the closest thing to that. I never said he is clever. Said he is so we arguing nothing because I never said he is. Ali closest thing. There's no one else de. There's no other heavyweight that that you could close your eyes and be like. Oh you know what he does resemble alley known just him just him and people can hate that all they want Kevin Chicago. What's up guys? You hear me loud and clear okay. you can't teach no dog new tricks While there's thirty four years old he's been hit. Hit the same style for a long time. I just don't see the point. George Foreman how old is he seventy one? He's really old. I don't know seventy one years old. He's not decorated trainer. He's a heavyweight champion. But I just don't see the point of that I mean it's not gonNA hurt but it ain't gonNA Help them be fury that can point frikkie wilder? I remember said Adam. Colonoscopy could be wilder if people gave me bunch of Shit's crazy. That's insane Tanaka. The nightmare match up Wade comes forward getting on your Chin. He's a big guy to sixty Man It's a nightmare. Matchup for wilder would fight analyst feet or not. And you're saying you think are not getting to be water based on what we've just seen and going the distance with air would areola guy. Water was dancing on the gyration to you. Know what I'm saying. Come on I get what he's saying he's still looking at it from a pressure standpoint. You know what I'm saying if somehow Adam could put up with. Wow this power or stay away from it long enough to apply some pressure like what's while going look like short water night short guys. Sorry that is true is Jabal be way more effective. His job was not as affected. That's why he was shooting to the body because he was facing a taller person. Let's go out to these callers. We guy let me double check. Make sure I know ringers. Masterminds boomerangs anybody. Like that. Jump ON WHY WE'VE BEEN TO CHATTANOOGA Nope NOPE so we're going to look and like trae in Oakland. Hey My background to My background is a good good okay. I wasn't sure my background to our Hey man very can't be Mohammed Ali's sonus he. Da Dr do three years and you know by a green book you know. Feel little things but you. You chip him with that. And that's why we get bad motherfucker Pearman. Hey No comparison in the ring a year When I was GONNA saying yours I don't know who maybe you can call them and talk to him but I think I don't know man I I don't know what do you do. Did he really get rid of Marlon now? And then that's confirmed as far as the story goes when he comes back from Africa's when he'll decide okay. I wish we quickness we got from the live wilder his excuses drake clown circus sucker while Sweden killing tiny. Tim Fares Water admits China with a forty five pound fist. That's the show and you come back with a nineteen eleven and says wilder and forman equal losers. Wow theory in Ali equals winners. Ill Dog says Philip Hargrove. Bec- is is. This generation is Muhammad Ali and we got one from Te- plums one. Oh one is a fifth column theory. Ali Let him know me. What was that last super to people say it is offensive to the brothers? Call the reality now. Yeah just get into personal. You can't you can't make it about racist about is about skill. I see what you're saying but I think it is hard for people to separate version of at least four. You know how people are whole like certain ledges and like a a third place were nobody can have retention so so it's cool. It's cool for us to say Anthony. Sims fights like Ali but we'd say though this and we say there he got that he got them. Ali MANNERISMS DOWN. He pretty much He. Many okay and Tyson is doing to successfully. But he can't get the credit for it down. Gotcha got along with a man here may be you know everybody listen. I'm sure Kobe had a different crossover than but he watched joy and then he idolized join now. Kobe with like Anthony Junior. But I think I'm better. You know what I'm saying. He he pretty much mimic Jordan. With today's crossover. Enjoying Crossover was nothing. Like not about the weakness but for where. I'm saying a bucket and that's what I'm saying. Whatever is most familiarize in about that person for Jordan is the tongue or the symbol on the sneakers? Because that's how he used to dunk. That's what we see. The I guess this sport. What are you symbolize? Join with join number. Twenty three the up and under on the Lakers. The Cross up when he went up with the right hand brought down to his chest and finish the talking about shit in in a game. I'm what does the per? What does the average fan symbolized Michael Jordan with Gregg his best bob? I doubt the average fan them down. Mike lose like if you compare might like the fatal COPA got it from my tongue is synonymous with my dog like. That's what I led with the Tung Oil. His emblem his emblem has been part of Nike for the last fifty years. Maybe more I'm forty. Mike is like seventy sixty come on February my now that dude listen no and and when? Kobe came out. I invented that where where a lot of a lot of referees was calling traveling on people because he had air by pause in with the Cross Mike and Mike Boom. You know what I'm saying. Kobe invented swag so is what I'm saying. Yeah you could associated Kobe to Jordan. And he had his own possess. We brought his his little. Whatever you WANNA call it. Saint for Tyson Fury Nowy Ali but he definitely mimicking him any bring his own swag wrong with that. I mean I guess if they don't you know whatever maybe I'm around eight China Fan and nobody just like go nobody else. Anthony Sand the only ones trying to do it. We'RE GOING TO BRIBE IN MINNESOTA. What's up I don't like George Forman easy to you. Know I you know just getting some pointed shit like that. I received other training. Somebody's constantly how Nazi. No get off. Speakerphone please secondly how was wild. They're going to go on a trunk style fighter when i Li- when when old boy is with Crohn's like that's done we can't go that route anymore Because you know what you're going to you're going to take Jonathan Banks James by and bring them to your gym. I mean I think you know and then and then you gotta wonder. Does the Sugar Steuer Hill? Not how well he knows them. I mean obviously know I'm saying how does he know they train us out? I think that's just too you know with the guy my bad annoy. I hope. Hopefully you are speaking. It May Kim. It'll make him familiar with the stout. Oh you know what I'm saying. Because he he needs there but he also needs to mother thanks and kids fundamentals a little bit better. You know what I'm saying because he always audit position every time he throw that right hand. That's what that's what fears on them. That right hand. He's gotTa position and then he jumps on him. You know what I'm saying. So some fundamental things and learn how to fight in that style and going backwards and being ebbs issue to be able to retire when he comes in. That's that's something that he needs and I think that those those guys will allow him to be in that position. Back with your calls with that. I don't like I'm looking from from the ground but but it is too weak of a plan shows a character flaw. That's like that's like Oscar. He go fight fluid so he went and hired. Mayweather's like with the view some duck. That's cool me like they don't make sense to me. It don't make sense to me I I don't like it. I don't I'm not saying you're wrong my brother. I just don't like I wouldn't advise that I don't like that. Might what about you bring Davis? No he said get another. Do from the Krung. James Alibaba Sheila Jonathan Banks. So he could learn how to fight against that style. Yeah trying to copycat. Yeah all like that. I don't like that I don't like you gotta be more original than that victim Richmond. Va would up. The George Forman Janis music to my ears. When I'm Anthony Joshua Laws George came out and said he wanted to help him and Joe. I need 'cause I thought he should have been elephant inserted into Yanti. I feel like the Yang. Say the believing that he used to When that vital. That's all that's all that's on the onto really need. I really feel into getting out of his right. Hand that cocky Ned Ryan man if he can straighten everybody who shoot it. Maybe work on staff can be warm the afternoon in the platter in the ring. I think that's all they need to go straight into the rematch with George Foreman. Shit George Foreman Ring on Q. Is just ridiculous. I can remember what He was Trinidad. Blew his nose against asking Delahoya Jewish. We'll be molding around to just. Just because you blew is known I mean back to the same Knowsley Heating Oscars Jab naked back. When hurting the minute I mean George George. No his shift that cut. You know what you have a point Because I do remember him being a commentator on. Hbo He was really good. You're right Troy Dublin. Bag Boomerang status. Yes Sir John David Jackson that he wants to if he wants to train. That's the one he should look into good with tall guys. He's a he focuses on the fundamentals. Georgia's a hall of Famer. Yes when he does not never known for his fundamentals and he's never trained anybody and please stop talking about things you know nothing about like Ali in history because you would have one who gleefully quotes. I don't study history because I don't see me for it. So why the hell he talking about history? When you don't know about it. Please stop troy of doing embarrassed royal. Yes Sir is there another fighter? Tyson fury that when he fights resembles Ali in the ring. No fighter alive resembles Eileen rain. All right well then you just you just being thick-headed I'm being knowledgeable because I'm not trying to push you're trying to watch you. Keep me on the show to help you out. Because you need a lifeline. Keep you on this view on this. Yeah you don't even watch boxing. I know boxing. I don't really know why I wanted to watch all the Times up you've done Kentucky would up first time caller yet. I I what's your name brother. My Name's Ernie Ernie. Talk to us. They man I really love your show. First and foremost Actually I'm from southern India just had been talking number but what I wanted to say is Maybe you can talk to George Foreman but I don't WanNa see George Foreman as a trainer. I want Barry Hunter for deontay wilder. So what other show our I? I was just going so quick now. Yeah I was just going to say why Berry outside of Lamont saying not not not to say anything against Barry like you know what I'm saying. Yeah I see what you're saying but I know very hundred has also worked with Shaun border and he's a favorite of mine as well and I think that may be buried under and Give you off the water a little bit more defense positioning right. I mean you know for me. In my opinion thing Barry Hunters like a body attacker know what I mean. He's do the trains the cavs guys right. Daniel Grill and letting hands go. And if you're not ready for that that's not the train and right now it don't look like wild is going to be the more active fighter. Even though I watch interviews where you know fury said that was the whole purpose. He was training and throw more punches. That Marco's Vega interview was crazy. It was like him not caring and just telling everything it was a tell all before the fight insane on Alonzo's Irving Texas see where he's at the on skype now so numbers get buried there. Go Damn he just jumped on seven minutes ago. I hope I hope I'm right about that. Let's go out to mastermind and Texas minimum of modules DOT COM. What what am I gonNA hang fight right now? After had roy teen years since O two for Barton you off the chain but anyways you know what I think. You're both right in a sense about this whole I'm gonNA use my boomerang this whole foreman and and turning things. I don't think he's trying to be full time trainer but did about informative ticker belong talked about back in the last ten years came back to the belt. He's offered his services to an wilder. A lot of people don't think. Aj look the same after that loss which he did in that fight. We don't know how back maybe big Georgia's there. Hey come with me for a minute I can help you reconnect regress. That because if you don't know how to properly do it can take a long time to come back to something like that. I think he wants to see these guys who good so I think I think. That's what is posted a couple of weeks of me. Let me let me You know let me give you a rebirth. Let me help you reconnect. Get through this loss. Get the understanding what happened because a lot of people say it's a big thing. Psychologically because When you think Jordan he thing again you think of the of the tongue being stuck in dachshund the shoes we harley you think of like The suppose over Sonny Liston and you think of of which call it they my main. What's my name when he made them made him when he came into how Mohammed Ali? So when you think of theory if you're GonNa go there you hit what you think of him clicking while his neck and he's going to be more known for you big doctors but I'm not confident. Thank you for keeping in town on the road for sure chant. Yeah man we gotTa Talk Man. GotTa talk before then But Yeah I appreciate your calling and as always Let me go out to to actually actually actually got a Ranga. And where is that? Where is that do every goes no? That's not it every. Listen right now to take out and SMASH DOT COM. Oh seven hundred people watching so at least give me three hundred and fifty thumbs up to half of the people out. There really do appreciate Shell right now. We have two fifty four going to push that up and we won't get to some calls that you guys opinion on George Forman. Maybe wants to train wild or maybe just wanted to talk to him for a second. We're going out to Ranga in North Carolina. Josh without going on Josh. Y'All was going on we're going on. Hey man orders to rose's yeah yeah. This from his verified twitter of our love it man to to most arguably the hardest plus in boxing history. I won't mind George Foreman trying but it also reminds Roy Jones and Lennox Lewis trying to move. Because I think you know like I said earlier law determined approved so there's only up from here man. Yeah like I said autumn guys know how to fight four and five so I wouldn't mind seeing that between them three minutes Louis. George Foreman Roy Jones. I love the seat child. Tv license subscribe. I'm out Yup. Yeah you know He. He acts even though. I know I did the research. But he asks me and I'm like yeah. Yeah this is from George Foreman and my let me double check this real twitter and it was though is the verified with the blue check right there he put let me screen. Share it to 'cause it's pretty dope the picture that he chose you know what I mean so maybe I don't. That's why I don't think you're right because of this picture to Mike Right. It's like it's like Komo more. Go into these woods. We know we both southern border wanting to these wars the train the picture he chose on his screen share row. Quayle let me make an appropriate stuff like this porn led to watch Bam see that. Pick who old school George. Take him back George. That's that's exactly during the old school training so I don't know what you think you know what I mean. This is the official statement right there. You know I had the brush it up. You Know He. He missed a lettuce but we get the gist. We know it is got seven thousand likes so far. This was February twenty fifth. Dago one thousand retweets neog ahead. Add some I'm not logged in so whatever but yeah this. Is the official message. Right here with this picture and I mean does the picture change anything from the message for you the different vibe off the message now in a pejorative. Oh Damn so. He's not things you know what I'm saying but me having would on my show two guys old school guy scientists now where we can pretty much pinpoint. The only saying stronger advocate Good morning doing things like that. So that's allow always bring up to see performance because my my my mic. Just WanNA chill. He likes Joe. We could show man we could. We could walk in the park but I want you to train me. I'm not not not even that is like I don't know George and I really want to try. Joy just wants to okay but interpreted that way. I mean it pretty much sounds that way. I mean you could be like devil's advocate say. Well we don't know if he just wants to talk but like okay we're gonNA. We're GONNA play devil's advocate will answer both ways a candle and I'm I'm looking at it. And he stands two to four weeks. That tells me right that like you don't want to like take over and is a pretty can't is a Pre. Qin Pre can pre. Can't man. I'll see what's wrong with that. I don't know man Mike. You don't like it man like it my own like a man who we going get man if we get somebody. That's what we all WanNa know. That's what we waiting for the news the break M So many calls holy shmelts. So let's see where we had all right. We're going to go with We're going to go with this of right now while I keep adding names in all. That's the good thing about Blah keeps everyone in order. You know no skipping so everybody who you know you call them you get going your time unless you original meringue mastermind. Things like that was. I was off mute. Quick man what's up man I WanNa just piggyback off. What I think about three callers ago. he's Kinda Sick Mama Thunder man. George foreman the way he would commentate. Hbo Semi My personal opinion. He was way more effective way. More articulate and expressionless. Going on inside the ring to the average viewer Roy. Jones Roy Jones was exciting. He was entertaining. But I'd say Explain what's actually going on George? Foreman was really good. At giving average personality about was with the fighters should be thinking what he should be doing. What the strategy should be looking like we lost. Jae will night. We Lost Shoe We'll try and double back for you. Would you say it was a good car I was going to? Here's the way he was going to say Nick but coming in from AOL dog and New Zealand Wilder without his castell. Is this generation's Ali. Okay jets. I bet you bet now we had lost for many Of you in the closet now is it. Can you hear me now? Well Yeah I was just thinking that on my brilliant Mark Brennan was kind of under performing professionally. Became a world champion but he was a far better. Immaturity was profession. So Margarita I think she's ozzy stay there but I think they say incorporate. Joyce warming to get that big man box for Deontay man. I don't think it got hurt. I don't think I heard it all but against only has an advisor to the king. Yeah all right. All right well Thanks for calling in. I mean that sounds good to having someone. Just come in you know. Sit around. Look it was going on but it needs to be someone that he looks up to or the admires right so that he's I dunno doesn't want to do bad in front of Somebody. He got respectful as All right all right. Let's see we going to. We went Robin Minnesota. We're GonNa just in Alabama what up. I WANNA say what's up to you might knish. Hey don't forget. I broke a news about this. George Foreman thing this morning but anyways I'm GonNa tell you one thing about George Foreman. His defense was underrated. Nobody ever talked about his defense as a big fighter. He wasn't that fast and he did have a great right hand. I think that's one reason he would like to talk with. Wilder is to tighten up his defence. Amen Thank you L. further the call. Bro I mean George had a classic one pseudo toolman he would he would put people straight out with the won two straight out just Jabang because he has such a Fast Snappy Jab going out to Toronto Canada junior would up. What's going on Yucky. Hear me loud and clear what I great your To be honest George seems like a good idea but I'm more I'll be more comfortable life Louis Listening is younger. More said he seems to understand he was a lot of all waters fights I like his commentary as advice that he does give wilder and also fighter so it doesn't make a lot of sense but the only thing I gotta say about you know the water heaters married like damn awesome. You Guys WanNa come with this moral ethic and how we should handle his lot. Y'All never supported him from the beginning and yet don't support them now. So why do we need to hear from you? Haters to talk about water. And how he's taking you know you need like for whatever he said about his costume or hogging performing. The rain has monthly rate is busy for those who support him so for new first of all water. Whatever you go nutrient or not. I'm always going to support him. And that's my call. Thanks thank you for calling in Let's see here all right. Uh just double check it going down and Lon don't forget. Do not forget. This weekend is Baltimore. So if you WANNA watch border wars and see all of this weekend's action gotTA head over to Patriot Dot com slash the boxing voice. And you have to sign up on the five dollar tear. That three dollars just won't cut it guys are shown giving blood and ring. You won't see some blood amateurs go at it. Got Bored Worth Man. We can't go with the Patriots Dot com slash boxing forcing sign up for the five dollar. Check out all this action. Who wants to smoke you? WanNa Sal? Let's see uh man is so many people but I think we gotta go to Boomerang Jason What Up. I got the right Jason. Our whole out. What are you right? Jason is you the Boomerang. Yeah I got a question. I mean not a question but yes. Yay Saving Nobody Lee he wall James. Quick Tillis was like the poor man's. I'll eat especially when he fought Mike Tyson danced all around. And that's why we're there if anybody asks me like. Who would you think ran between Ali and Ali? Mike always picked out just because I was versus networks in that fight between Between the giants kid until with Tyson Tyson problems but Far As trainer wise I would have to go. Floyd say or go slowly was excellent fighting on the back foot while he was excellent at nonstandard stabbed instead of body checklists. Seth Web Hooking Rolling Wilder. He noted stick Hook. What do you want? Roll out right well out properly and you know what I'm saying. We get caught Sh that's about it. That's my brother. Thank you for calling in. We're going out to Mike in Connecticut. Talk to me. What am I actually might in ancient go just yet just yet sorry. We start the Justin and Jason now going to just New Jersey legitimate. Hello live with. The book was talked to talk to come down. What I what I just WanNa say this free sites you know but I don't know if guys knew that but man a lot of I haven't heard one person say you know while they're let's be real. He's a one trick pony. He relies on that right hand from his legs to a corpse form and we saw when he came back on won the heavyweight championship from thirty five and no undefeated Mike Moore. He didn't one that was brutal power. He won that was the powerful jab preserving his energy leading light shots on more so when more gotten a comfortable place boom. There's the there's the hard punch from foreman knocks out more. So I think that wilder relies on his right hand too much and everybody knows that wilder sets up the right hand with the JAB. That's a part of it so maybe Forman Compete to do a Snappy Jab I don't think wilder stamina's terrible but maybe forming can teach them away to preserve his energy and to you know I've just heard all these calls and I heard one person says something about forms defense but man. It is a good Step to the side by pushing off his opponents. But that's my call. Can I give my channel? Shoutout Course Chen. Or thanks lesson Mike Fight interviews boxing interviews mixed martial arts interviews. We got a former boxing world champion. Maurice Sober coming on next. We also got some amazing stars but Boxing content anime content justin junior nine six two. And that's it but the only thing I'm worried about is that we've never seen him really coach. Nobody that's the only thing that's the only thing. We don't know how you'll do. Coaching like you said a lot of fighters can be great but not great coach. That's the only thing. I'm worried about his experiences with coach but just in junior nine six. Two's my channel Justin Jr Nine. Six banks just He he's he's talented manage. Talented talented Bro. Throwing Ital- Talk to me what y'all go far just to man right now right now. Tv Him yes Sir. Out Right yeah. I think that'd be a good look with George Foreman. At least you know for another pair is experience and everything I think he can help wild. Our would really like him to bring Mike Tyson in. But I know he ain't GonNa do that. 'cause Mike Tyson's loyalty to feary and whole name thing but What y'all think about him bringing in The waters they got. I think he got he. He needs to learn how to lead with that. Who Kinda get a little dog? Get Him you know ripping these guys up and I think a do a good job with that. What y'all think I like it? I like. We had Ken on yesterday if you want to hear his thoughts on it. Check out that interview on One yesterday shows woke definitely. I'm just amazed down. I love that would be on so much. I'm not missing. And he also. Ain't that ironic throwing the Towel. We also Ronnie Shields and asked him. Would he be interested? And he gave his thoughts on the fight so he could check that out as well interviewed Who else who else we can pull them. We interviewed Bob Arum as well. All right. We're going out to Mike. In Connecticut. Europe might going on guys You know for me I think Robert Robert Garcia would be a good trainer just to get the fundamentals Chris because wilder when he throws his One too. He's a lot a lot of the Times. He's off ballots. You know so. Maybe they can correct that form and But the thing is with us you know trying to find a trainer is he's still making excuses for why he lost. China's George Foreman offering to train them. We didn't we're not finding much okay. I'm just I'm just saying in general right like to to Actually come to grab Driss. Laugh come to an understanding of why you lost. I think that's the first step. And then then you could. Actually you know attack the issue but blaming your suit I mean. He made excuses in the first flight. To you know had the flu. I broke my arm and then the second fight you blame the suit. And like he has to come to grips about what really happened and then attack and then then he could beat theory but until he does that out. I don't think he could be fury. 'cause he's mentally showing that you know you go coal Mike Thanks for calling in. We Got Stone boombox and Colorado talk to us A lot of people saying it would depend on the type of experience trying to George Foreman Gut is. I just think that to me. I remember a couple years back when you interview. Jd and he gave us his background. And I all I could think of is what if blood mayweather would've made linen ever be his head coast that's while they do like Jd. Don't know spirits. Dan Coats so well. We don't a lot of blame on Brooklyn. Jd has made it clear when you interview him. That he ran the cell in and brilliant. His daddy help so I think they need to go on J. D. S. so they're not breathing as much so. I just hope you go to coast and I'll go with. Nobody who link out good spinners at least working with heavyweights or somebody that you don't even got to be ninety old guys because I don't think voicing your Virgil Hunter physically can do they. I mean they don't they can barely deal with the little guys that they deal with. Imagine a heavyweight God punching them. They wouldn't even like so like that. He's that anywhere now. Because Floyd ain't gotta do power work with where the heavyweight to work with the heavy weight Freddie has pad men and he you know he he works to you know But but I get what you're saying it is a you know physical physical ties Guide Davidian upstate. New York. It was good. Mass was good Mike. What's what's going on. Now I for me I like it. I mean I don't I don't mind it just it. Looks like there's you know. I'm I look forward to it if he you know it just depends what the I'd say you know does but I like. I'm a big fan of Big George. You know he used to knock. Do you know clean out. So it's like I don't mind that I would like to see is kind of interesting. I I've heard some other coaches and all that but I don't know I wouldn't mind You know the dare James Sounds cool. But I'm not sure I don't mind anything for their. You know I'm going back Deontay no matter what so you know. Hopefully he's feeling but it'd be cool to see another. I like Big George Foreman but yeah Mike I just WanNa say good luck on your surgery. I'll be praying for you and God. Bless thank you big dope presented. Yes Sir Sir going Donlon looking like we guy Rodney eight seven with a big doubt Walmart so my family will find you but I don't know man I just. I just don't think you know. I think trying him they D- at this is what they make their money. It's been easy to try and wild. And when he knocked out everybody. Now you gotTa go to the Drawing Board and figure out a game plan and being being Haysom that they'll make the decision along with him on what they need to bring with the count as far as extra is maybe berry. Honda made me what's the guy's name to try and Cobra Live? I can't think of his name right now. Maybe bring him the answer just out curfew week to begin buddy mcgirt guys earn their money and I think all these people coming out saying well. I think there's overreaction and it just bluesy let them do figure it out and the end game plan. Accordingly that's my call Brandon North Carolina brothers. A last call that last caller was built a man make new are named Ernest in a check. Man They got you here. Hey let's do what they can do to get you to recover the great call I said Joe Goosing the other day because I think that he knows how to set up the right hand and got those Al Hayman Fox as all the altogether So that'd be an easy transition that he needs somebody that has a voice for might be able to train him at the fight. 'cause I like Mark Brealey but the we even hear anything that he said during the fight. I don't think I I'm doing giving water here and there you might have said you know getting the right knee and right to the I. I didn't really hear no type of no strategy plan. Say Hey next time he comes in Turnham and when he told me you turn them here with Dick. Follow it the right. You know you didn't hear a lot of coaching in the corner at the fate. Yeah we noted that training goes on at the training day but I find timely somebody to remind you some things that tell you game plan to go back and forth and I think somebody like goosing. Somebody added strong boy. Storm Voice was the best in you ended with. Because it ain't brilliant aint talking. He's just soft-spoken you know. It's hard to hear him I. I'll be right in. His face. Came here on some signs but We're going to own that corner. Was Kinda quieted neighbor. There wasn't a whole lot of direction on knowing saying what was I. Don't know it wasn't a going on over there. It was very quiet. I go into a new caller mom. Boxing hey bombard. We didn't have a number because you killed my skype. Come on now now but I don't know big George. I mean a little kid. Cumbersome knowledge just heard him a few times before that kid knows what he's talking about the other and you said they need to speak up in that corner going on the didn't look right. He was sluggish to get but But he still has asked what no matter what you say. What can you do to fix it? That's going to be up to the cancer. Decide if we're going to get to be seen what he's GonNa do with brea but I I don't think George it'd be a bad. I mean George George George tight on his defense when he came back. The boy had a right handed. Kill people off that Jeff you know when he came back with we did the Michael Moore. It's pick but I mean seventy one years old invested. Can't he be so I think just have to see what happens and as far as all the talk right now that we've got you know what I mean. Give them some time to come. Back Out I think the kind of character he has he'll he'll he'll change up but Yeah saved me on here since skype went. Bob I mean I'm already saved worries by the we're going out to Julio in La Talk to me. Hey what's going on this Mike? You know what I don't like the idea with with George Foreman because I don't want to get hurt but a good trainer Jonathan Banks 'cause he also came out from the manuals flirts Camp so I think that he will do Actually been heavyweight copycat. Giving me no I mean I. It's IT'S A. I mean if you see how he was Triple g looked with his foot work. That's what that's what that's what he needs foot. Were-they rose against the Rose Law Gilbert Cinco. Cinco go which one can you got both of them. We all need to. Yeah okay okay well now. That was my overall Matt Nice. Show Hey Mike I'm praying for you. Open your Use the operation goes good in the look about you hear Julio Cringe like Oh man you right. Oh Shit there. You're right about that fight to Julio as we call it in we're going out to not from Jersey. What up. Yes so like I like George as like is an adviser The only thing is that to me. Georgia's more of a bruiser thunder. He had good defense with his cross arm thing but I don't know if that's his perspective on fighting is really gonNA help while they're in the long run but I feel like you'd be good as an adviser it's like I think about basketball. Lebron he worked with a larger one. Get his post game right. Jason Tatum he worked with Kobe. Get his mid range right. So it's like even in boxing. You could use those people and just take bits and pieces of them from them to get your game together so I feel like it'd be a good thing to bring them in. That's my call. All Right See Jersey. Thanks for calling in leads. Low Decatur Georgia wooded do gonNA live. I my good. Oh good I'll i. I'll you know what I'm saying already for you. Might you know what I mean. Doubt on Near the youth of being a real ones out I was GONNA ask you. Did you test out Check out the aren't they? Wow the after he had lost. I WanNa make sure you want one. Oh fickle fans. If we've been talking actually more than I thought. I thought I thought you know he wasn't going to be talking. I thought he was going to be directly on vacation. But he ain't leave into end march on as good shit though Michael. I know you know what I'm saying. You'd be taking with them and stuff but feeling wild and if forty pounds. You Know Cardinal don't out dealing white Post three hours ago and you're GONNA be like damn and I'm GonNa leave that at that Far Rather going to their full the quick meals. What could it hurt? You know what I mean. The man got experience. So what could they actually hurt and big? Do you know what I'm saying and going back and say that Tyson fury fight. I'm going to give it a fitting still just because Tyson actually playing like he got me on number my so whatever he learned quick and I hope he do. And that's me and I'm like Oh yeah by the way everybody likes the Patriots. 'cause I we'll be watching. No boys get it in their border. Wars one thing on what happened with this thing all the way. But their league going my. That's 'cause Y'all actually call me sometime. When I forget their child got to own so going I might be at work or some shit student language and I got to try and stop this but Y'All car so shout out to Keith. Flown sat out the Enos stainless the stone autumn cats. They're beyond on skype. And doing that on that up. You Shit Brooks cume again. We are cutting that out rubbish. Grown in my. I'm trying to get my skype on TV. I`Ma go that's what calling in Tim. Florida NASA something. Like you know what I I think. It was a lot of things that while the did wrong. Like I think being to thirty one is too heavy for and me personally. I think that fearing fallen dirty fight so I was trying to fight straight. I don't think work I think if you would've fought feary more my fault. Lewis her teeth one. I think it'd been different fight so you know it's all bring another training. If you feel like that's necessary you know but I think there's not that it's not a big do so. I think that he needs to stay. Roundabout two twenty three to roundabout to twenty five. And then just you know when you fight theory. You have to make that be wrong. You'RE GONNA have to rub that from Cursing and you're GONNA have to make it a dirty fight to you. Know what I'm saying. You know loud if you get wild and I think the guy while it would have been a different story. They trying to fight theory straight. Phiri was coming with that. He was GonNa put his weight on. You make his legs. We toss from rings laying out so he could trip and fall man. I've seen a lot of things that we're not talking about. And if we're GONNA REMATCH GONNA come in with that during the fight cliff in Jersey You got him. You'll loose up I talked about this earlier so but I think I want to expand on what I was saying. I think George is great because like if you go back and look at the site a lot of a Lotta dues keep calling talking about a main fundamentals. This is not about fundamentals. He was shooting his jab so he was shooting today ahead to the body. He was circling around like he was doing when he could do the whole issue with the to delight fight. It was it was mainly Jerry kept Clinton leaning all his body weight on so like. Is this something changes that needs to happen here. And George Foreman like if you if you actually look at a lot of his old fights he was good at getting guys late trying to clint's offer them so that's a great guy to actually bring in to actually show you how to get a guy off of you. George had a lot of masto. Asthma cut his big new Jay Phoenix Arizona. I would've PDD what I might Pull the words right out of my mouth. That's actually what I was calling in for I don't mind warm and helping you know. Give us some old school tips. Probably help you know legs and stuff like that. But they just got different body types. You know he handled you know former and handle is differently because of his body type. You would deflect shots and be able to back him up like say a fury would be able to or heavier. Fury Wave Your. We'll be able to back up a wild especially in in In the next year he should become an lighter. So you should be looking like for help from Lennox. My that somebody? Who's you know? Really go with the one to don't try to teach them too much drastic shit because it is going to go out the window and on the Fight Night. Teach him how to like or off of what he has already. You know what I mean like. Okay well you low enough that right hand you could save him with the motor. Do this something. He already really good. I can build off of that the sand and teach them how to back up and be able to have his right hand liable still instead of just go out the window solutions to back up. Just help them build up off already. Know don't try to look into real quick about thirteen away from three fifty thumbs up so if you haven't already smashed at comes up go ahead and smash it in. Let me know if you think this is a good idea for Joyce to possibly hip out water in J. Just give me a why for years or an for no. Let's see we got Pablo New Jersey. Hey guys how're you doing George or anyone that comes in. There is a wealth of knowledge that they can provide wild thing if they come in there and do something that changed them and and makes wilder a better fighter. They're going to be the star of the show. Wherever comes in and he needs to know how to fight not so long so far away because when he does everybody had it. Is Somebody Long Distance Semester? Make his punches connect marijn mid range? stands thing and and be able to hurt doozer. He can do but there's just so much that he has to learn to wait and if he does it and I think he's going to lose again. That's my call our thank you for calling in. We're going to look in Seattle Washington fights with the shot because I don't care what Mr See baby. Can you hear me? Yes Sir what's going on? Y'All look good Mike Ness I think that we need to look at the big big big picture. Do Been Sick and couple. Maybe a few camps. Maybe it's time to stay in Las Vegas area. Leave your family I would like to see Kenny Porter. Because he was more assertive and he can give respectful criticism that can be understanding by the say wilder Also think you need to start paying attention like mess Ed and can't hey you. Are you worried about his way? You know that type of stuff needs to come into the next. Can't worry about his way and worry about coming forward And you need to start getting dirty or you know you know. You can't play Nice someone who's trying to bring the dog. I think you gotta bring a dog fight and establish the job in the distance Peng. I'm back and everything come back Spe Las Vegas area we family Gerard Lazier used around you behind too. You need to pursue. Yeah he says. It is a good idea because as boone when he fought. Ali Haven't Gone Vega and having the reputation that Being NOCCO or they will be good having Jordan per se but often seem. Richardson might also be put into bringing Christmas all Ryan Ryan and Louisiana. Thanks for calling. It looks like we got a new caller and the nine five four of you in the nine five four. I'm talking to you never called in. I'm talking to you. Looking like non five. Four to five seven was first time. Caller was this Fort Lauderdale. Florida Sunny Florida. Yes Sir Ambro you hear me if people fifty pounds for glossy PLONK PLONK GOTTA get back on skype? We got you. Yeah we hear you perfectly good. I cool so As far as training is concerned You know I'm not with the whole idea. Looked ON WHEEL TEAM. Whatever but if they would ask somebody. My my take would be Kenny quarter. And the reason I'm staying out now I know. Watering imported or biting competitions are like total opposite. But saw. Can YOU TRAIN SAUNA? You know he's a short welcoming so he's usually fighting through legally him like he thought it was a lot bigger than them and the height wide. The you know. I think I think that'd be a good little thing to like. I said I know they. They built differently but just to fight off the bigger man. I think Kenny poor didn't know a lot about that. Like we know on Sam. Puerto beat Amateurs was like six. So you know. Obviously that don't matter but I think it'll be a good little coach. Kip CUT IT. Am I you know when this happened? Age Air by was gonNA tell him to get a trainer in higher. Ed Trinity. He added mobility coached. Any that's what he hired like. Angel Hernandez was like a mobility coach. I don't know the the the the turn for him but I know he didn't he just Boston. By the end. To add to your. I mean maybe eight hundred end isn't a mobility coach. But I believe he hired a mobility goes to help them with the moving All right we got another new caller. Let me see this. One is in the Four eight Oh four. Eight four eight. Oh where is the full on no? That's that's bomb. Boxing when you want you boomerang chat not yet. All right coming back to We got Jamal nor fairly would up. Jamaa nor fairly A donkey he was just listening and got a new car and the four to five four to five. Who's this what's happening witching? What's brother? What's your name? Where are you calling from? I'll young Dante from Seattle Johnson from Seattle. Talk to us so many mate. That will first of all. I'm after that conversation George Kennedy Porter like or just like everybody else. I feel like he gonNA bring their spouse their me so because that's a waters only if he picks them again and second roll man. I hate that while to make better use about that costume. Because that costs them was filthy and his whole reward made it had you probably had to be to be black and he did it quarter coacher so he just took it all back by saying. I'll man the ring. Why Bouma Boop? If that was the case he should have just kept that to himself and have the Knicks Ring Ring. Walk or next costume. Be just a little bit lighter. You definitely understand where are definitely failure. You people have been saying that all day. Yeah Guaranteed I. Thank you for calling in and thank you for joining the show. You know the number to call them one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice your opinion right here voice of the People. Atma looks like we're going to Orlando in Long Island doing As far as as far as forming goes I don't think he could hurt so I definitely think they use them the onset while they're looked awful so I don't see why people would not want him to use forming. I don't think it can hurt. I don't think the look any worse than he did. And if I could choose trainer I think you should go with either Robert Garcia Derek. James Michael are thank you for calling in looking. Who's up all right? Looks like a new caller Coming from Atlanta seven seven. Three three four seven seven three three four. We talking to you know speakerphone Bluetooth. Who's this what's your name? Brother one on May Have Rail. Yes Sir Ralph role in Atlanta. Talk to US chant. I lose a fourth of all appreciate all with this platform and it's all about the fight for you. Look at three things to happen in the fight warm when everybody was concerned about the the eardrum bleeding. I forget whichever Rodney was knocked down in. It wasn't candidate to knock doll Tyson furious with clipped his ear was hoping to cut. It wasn't it wasn't from a blow as far as former training. You need to learn how to Bro. Bro. He gets out with the Best of coaching. The problem if you look at it from the Orion those containers at a referendum Tokens so I mean. He's not making an excuse. He's gotta learn how to play the game. Dirty did have them in some headlights in those clinches. For sure everybody around three what would willie? He got dropped. But it wasn't the NOCCO without round three if you look at it in a in a slow mo all over this fight like four or five times his with damaged there a law right champ Thank you obviously for calling in. We got you down and We will we will address you by name the next time we're GONNA go out to California looking like lum Ni- call course Gelo Dole. We call off what was going on. L. A. I old man sat out the Justin. You to keep up the work. Young Brother I like for me. Man It will form. We don't know about boxing man. He has wealth of knowledge even if he decided in as adviser but if I had to choose our goal with like The porters or may wear the senior. I know mayweather senior. Were have him punching own balance he was show him out of slip. He cannot pull back with a guy who has longer reach and think he's going to get out of the way. It works was shorter. Fighters with Tyson. Theory is going to need to know how to slip shot and step life or step to the right after he's punching and I think mayweather senior can at least get together for him for the next fight for the trilogy- That's all I got gentlemen sat out to the boxing. God's hit those thumbs up you're listening to the POW POW. Boxing podcast on the planet. He's Info Joe. Thanks man. We appreciate it. Thanks for all the support to got UP NEXT NEXT NEXT NEXT JIM. In philly is bad. What a Mall sub-soviet coast. What up in our caller to say Feistiness forming. He'd be good. Who Else We get like Riddick Bowe in the Middle Riddick. Bowe was a hell of a big bang. I mean we're not to fight him and George I mean like like he gets like get a Boa near Bush went some stuff that'd be who The low key train. He's pretty good dry innocence. Pop dairy Boise. He's pretty good. I mean 'cause locally trainer and a little G- fundamentals any and So would need to do to get off the reality the next go round all they had to say thanks. We've got Jamal Man. Thanks for call. We're going out to what looks like a new colour in in. Ats Oh who's this eight zero four seven zero? Hello yes what's your name brother? Hello yes we need your name. Y'All y'all can you hear me clearly? Yo Yo my name's Hannibal longtime listener first-time caller shot up to the box. And Boys Best podcast. The land called. I got three reasons why -sorts former will be the best case first off George. When I lost all league he came he went down. He fell from grace and he has so many excuses on why he lost. He said his China's home to stay down too long. He said he was staying on the road. She said he had all kinds of excuse. Okay so then he lost Jimmy Young so they when he came back. If you win when he came back he came back. All right with what? I came back on point to WADA. Needs a teacher like that. He's someone that can teach them how to grow. That's the first thing the second he's GonNa need George and teach them how to use the JAB. How do you cross? This is a walkie three. We're not going to be able to have while learning slipping dodging all this stuff and sticks was he needs to learn that cross on defense that George he was the Mohana. Just be able to back up. He's The a few fundamental. He's not gonna be able to work as feedback. We only know wake back in third. Reason is because Georgia's we almo- Georgia's he's not GonNa ask you money. He's in this just for the low the he's already down south or boy so him a while to get together. What needs to go up to get on that ranch girl and everybody at home go out there. Get his life together. You mean get his boxing career because like Damn live. My men is super successful in life. You know he's got his life together got businesses and all that good stuff but the box and I get you Let's see looks like we've got plenty of new callers? Planning New College going out to Let's see here. Four seven zero. What is that? What is that that is looking? I was Hannibal. We just went to him. Are we going to New York City? Brooklyn? Anthony Talk to me about Anthony in Brooklyn. Do I got it wrong? Three four seven three love. Yes yes what's your name Chan? I know what my name is Antoine. I'm from far rockaway Queens and Soi. I'm doing a piece of broadcasting saga. Pc podcast show accomplice. Nobody podcast much. Love GEOM- I think that form would be a good fit from a psychological standpoint because he was once what wild it was as of last week so I think he could probably help him from a mental standpoint. You know so. That's the way I look at the boxing thing. I really don't know I don't know he's always the older fighter. He's used to win in a certain way he he would have to learn the basics so logo again. I'm pulling for the BRA wishing the best but we'll see we'll just see how it goes. That's my call. Thank you all right Antoine. Thanks for calling in far rockaway. We've gone out to another new caller in the five zero. Three let me see what that is five. Oh three looking like Oregon It's all to me. Who is this? Dr Bernard what he doing. What's going on so I think everybody got this wrong. I think wiler is a great fighter. He don't know the box but everybody Wanna change of his mechanics. His mechanics me a whole lot of changes. He needs to learn to get footwork. I think we go to putting them in. Take him dancing classes something. He has no footwork. Footwork would've saved them in the fight if he knew how to back up escaped from some of depression. I think he needs to learn how to turn six months backing up as a smaller fighter. And I think he'll learn you know how to slip. That's all come natural to a fighter he'd been in forty five forty one forty two fights. I think you'll eventually learn how to do some but he ain't never been bullied at the first time even beat up. He's been billy and he just needs someone to teach him. Outta hide his right hand. He was looking for a dog fight. Which so it. It was hard to watch. The man did not hide that power punch he led with it like. I've never seen somebody who just head hunting. And he just never had. No no no. Thank you for calling out the Zulu in Missouri. Yo can you guys hear me like? Hey what's going on brothers? Listen I'm still kinda shattered about the performance of wild and I still say he is. He is our American Champ. Still I'm disappointed in Americans not getting behind in the with the way that we should first of all. But let's talk about his performance right in order to beat this version of fury we gotta quit saying about the basics with wilder. Don't have he does have. Basics is about the applic- applying the basics when he needs to everything is about application. If anybody's ever box before you you're you're automatically taught the basics but applying them when they need to be applied is is. What's which you need to conquer and understand while the definitely need to understand dirty boxing with this version of fury? He has to get someone that knows dirty. Boxing there's going to be able to keep this big man off of him and stop being pressed and just coming up with the high guard taking punches leaning back which arms down until you bring somebody in the camp I think's very gains cut. We've got a new call or three three three two three three two no clue what asset three three to what Oh shoot Calica. What's your name is in jail. You you said it was the name Heaven Kevin. Oh Stacey you're in Florida what you think about that. He could teach them out or does back into power things. Like go against the power with me. I hear you man but Stacy had that that Nigerian heavyweight got knocked PBC man. I had went to Florida the Siyam in Brazil they on TV stars remember. Knocked them out like Lord Peter. Talking about not that. Not that one new Nigerian tall you talk he was talking about. Aj Jay and Jerry and people don't know Aj. I'm not okay you can be. I find there by. That's sticking by Stacy McKinley. May I think he'd be a customer for him? A fury all day man. So you like Big George. I Love Big George male bumped. You're saying you know McCauley's right there. You can go to submit to Mexico heavyweight me. No no that's true. He he worked with believe ties into right. Yeah he worked with tight with Shannon brings US heavyweight saying he had do you know he had he had Greg Corbin when I went to see Greg Corbin? He was done. It was stacy and we seeing Corbin's should the bed three times and vote. But listen if you are listening right now and having gotten to you that means you have not press one. Press one right now all right. That means that everyone that is there didn't want to. I mean everyone that okay there we go. There goes the new guys. Like oh I've been waiting eight and pick me pick me and that's the new one must see stats definitely a new one. So I don't even got okay. We got some three. Oh nonstop. Oh let's see who's does definitely new number three. Oh nine a new guy or girl we had to we Marie. Another Day really shocked the pants off a lot of people because She was like truly knowledgeable. Marie all right so we're going It looked like Illinois's Illinois man in Red Ribbons on on the monopoly board. Just pay well Illinois was this first caller. I mean I. I'm calling you man. I'm sorry you broke your surge. I'll say well yea search search I gotta get like Mexican style Trainer Man. I'm about now you could say she'd like a Messenger. Style trainer able just. Yeah bailable. He's gotta remember. We thought auto. You know what I'm saying. I will keep coming forward man. We could've taken you. Don't say he cannot come up so I say. Why does she get? Maybe Barbara Garcia fucking Abel Sanchez or Shamila. Also to you know decent. Yeah Reynosa got Frank Sanchez over there. But I mean it's GonNa be interesting to see woods direction they go. I'll tell you what they do if they do anything at all. That's why it's going to be interesting. I I love this show man. Thanks thank you definitely appreciate you calling him and anybody who listening and has already said they loved the show like a surge different millonarios please just typed on I tunes. You don't know how powerful your review on I tunes is. We read them out loud. And give you a shutout of whenever you drop them. It's absolutely free to do and I. It truly helps us grow. You know and I told you guys this year man and obviously with the help of you it will be man we. We're GONNA continue to hammer out these Interviews daily. We're going to continue to bring multiple shows daily. And we're GONNA grow in together we're GONNA get to a level where we got Every interview Possible but we need you. To definitely express your joy and fulfillment for the show on. I tunes It really helps out so we're going out to it. Looks like another new caller in Memphis Tennessee. And like that. Who's this? Yes sir this form in calling in from Champ for sure for sure talk to US doing a great job a first time. Listener first-time caller. And you think oh big Joe to be great because you know to be put down to lack like that massage. Being a great teacher knowledgeable. It'd be a great phrase. When to I agree I agree? I don't mind traveler. You like 'cause more clean and that's a champion like people don't realize I can't wait until the pie because why people want to those holding back on the street with about ready you can you tell me. Your name again. I'm sorry man I just WanNa make sure I get it down before for next time you call in Johnny Kevin you said right Johnny Johnny Johnny. Johnny Johnny will say some two years. Yeah no I heard all that. Just want to say. Thank you for calling in Definitely look forward to you. Call him back in Johnny in Memphis Tennessee looking like we got some more callers headed get to Looks like another new Colorado. Let me see this is it is yes yes. Another new caller. I do not know what this one is from in terms of State so seven three seven. Three five eight six. What's up brother? Where are you calling from what your name was good at this school like Scooby Doo? I'm out of Virginia but I'm actually from New York. You're going to be exact Just calling in China agree with everybody else. I believe that Can you poured it would be the way to goal for wilder? I've seen a lot of things that he was doing a lot of mistakes that he was doing. And I feel like there's corner wasn't really given Some of that that corn advice that they needed to give them and they weren't Doing other things that could have done. You know on cleaning them up and Getting refreshed in the in there. But you know Like I said. I think you should go with Kenny. Port that'd be my best but if you decide to leave the coast as well right now another. I wanted to say real quick. I did not feel on the rain. Walkout talking about the black magic. When I heard the black magic thing out didn't expect that from wilder and I was like man know from it's probably over at this point you know and I just meet South superstitious but that black magic thing was no Bueno amount We gotTA check coming in from Keio Third Wall. Does blueprint has been laid out tune fighter. We got an animal. Come back from Keio third wilder train with Renault. So Robert Garcia or even able Sanchez and we got one coming in from their merchant. Nist you still believe wild about the suit. After Joe Rogan methodology to a show on the JOE rogan video. We come from their emergency. And they're still the Joe Rogan subject. Coward man we just got home but I will. Well they want they want us to end this show and start the other one right. Now get up by all the callers who who've been waiting on the line patient dozens. They just keep piling into like people getting out of work right now. Shit ain't working out the way we thought sees a vegas what up. Seize your yeah oh I just I just now have done. What did we talk what we're talking about big George Foreman Big George Foreman say wants wilder spend two to four weeks with him and sounds like he wants to train them. Mike stinks he just wants to talk to him for two to four weeks in his ranch in Texas. I don't know Okay okay well you know I was thinking the other day about who would be good. Who'd be good trainer for a while there and I know they brought up Damn I can't believe I forgot his name the do that. They recommended Would TRAIN RUIS manny row? Bless no no the one after the one that they recommended or the one that they said that Teddy Atlas. That's right yes. He has the experience training heavyweight right That will never happen second. He's been so critical of while in that camp and make money I just figured he'd be a good option since he's got he's got that style. You know Of Coaching but Yeah I mean that's that's pretty much I got a great show man and I'll be listening. Tv for life. Our thank you for calling in well. They're not stopping will will will Batman. Don't go into it just like keep coming in Looking like we got KS Z. And Kelly run on K. C. Which is smoking on been ministers? You call them. What about a man longtime no female with her work and always ground? Yeah Yeah Yeah I I WANNA say Man That Ring Walk to me. That was a win for C. Musonda or the way his is looking at that it represented us. Let people know that you're not I mean there's somebody we can look up to a black a black leader so you know that's my. I wanted to get out. Second five seconds every parliament. He came in. He came with a good game plan which was a dirty game fire but it worked non. I mean so He her Walter hit in the head while they didn't see it coming because he was gonNA fight a patient. I caught up caught a slipping third by negus a war. So be ready you big Mama Gypsy Queen Ethnic. It'd be ready. Only take that fight to because wild already exercisers. You'RE NOT GONNA get that third fight so he better take it and As far as wilder getting trainers I don't think he said change nothing because before it series started cheating hidden buying ahead. It was a fight to me while there was jabbing girl and it was even you know. you don't need to change. I don't get rid of brilliant. Because he did it out of love you know you Just let them know in your own private and you know. Let them know nickel ever do that. But don't get rid of him. Cut Casey Kelly. Thank you governor Michigan Talk to dogmatic Albany. You'll be calling me. Dove Man like a bird above twenty man like the bag. Double up on come on here like w a AA. You heard yesterday mention I get. Are you going to turn into? He let us naval like three years. Man Albert Good. But Hey I love y'all boy y'all keep putting out on the news for the community and I love it but I do think that maybe not trained change your whole training camp but a gets a big big George Foreman with somebody. In his prime there was known as a knockout artist. You see me. But he loves depending on his power. He always dependent on his power. I leave knew how to shake it. And he had to change his game plan. It took him years. He came back up. Forty you learn more how to box and big his opponents. I think that would be good for The BRAS bomber. You know definitely hear you brother after you Yucky. Doing which do not. Everybody hit the like button. Tv Bet right there you go dub men and new call in New York City New York City. Nine one seven this now one seven. No yes. Who's this? Yeah it was going on last. Nc calling from Washington Heights Kennel. What's your name as Mc Lazo Lazo the MC? God's team required yeah. Yeah John Sixteen all they know. More Battlefields blessed t is oppressed peers. Land of Opportunity Freedom mistakes fear for throwing them again in the pocket seems me walk in blind or the weight loss no mission without my dick without with their own creative friction for success enough though but check it out. Yo Yo you to influence your. Yeah Yeah I think. He needs from fire his corner. Man Ferry Atlas is not a bad idea. Do put the simple fact that he is extremely critical. But he's giving him his thoughts and we've all seen Alison between rows where his fighters he inspires them. He tells them the truth. You fucking up. You move into slow. This is your time. Calm the fuck down. We need more aggression body movement. We need some honesty in that Corner Mark Greenland else. The the two mile. They like his yes. Men SORTA speak supplies body language inside the ring. He needs some fire. In addition to that I also think that before the fight he needs to do some yoga some shit calms down Bro. He was too serious. That locker room was being too fucking goofy shit but he needs to channel all of that into being able to control they sit on some Bruce Lee Shit. Whenever is the man that is needed in the ring of able to handle all that extra weight on top of him. He's telling me I love the Bruce Lee reference. Listen the MC we got you let me see said always said the highest let me put that hides baby the Mimic Urano night train. Would it do? Wasn't I tranquilized him from what's going on? I'm Rochester Mine. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Go ahead begun. Oh Yeah Man George Foreman thing. I think that's a good idea for Chatman for real. You know I mean He. He was a heavy way. You know dealing with a heavyweight you know what I'm saying. I think the Georgia be a good fit for man. Even if it's just for you know like my man said earlier as a you know as a guide or you know somebody to talk to somebody can relate to. I think is a good idea man. I'm glad to see that brother. Thank you all right all right brother. Thank you real quick. What would get okay. Wh- What told you before? That's what I do like. What am I do. I would've only or like or just like what up but it's like I think like I'll let me see. Looks like all our boomers dropped all they can wait main. That's everybody then Mike Social Media. Ns GTO INSTAGRAM and twitter. I want to thank everybody tune den. Y'All we're going to be back with the Joe Rogan Clip troll city. Not that I didn't get to know all I love. You may regard the last half hour ago. No respect man. I'm just saying they say you know like nothing new there. 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Alison Brie #3

ID10T with Chris Hardwick

1:30:59 hr | 10 months ago

Alison Brie #3

"Welcome to the PODCAST number. Ten forty six I have had an amazing time on the road so far for the Wizard Guitar tour was in Philly Philly in Columbus and then soon at the end of February I will be at the punchline in San Francisco and the following weekend yeah. Those dates are the twenty seventh seventh twenty eighth and twenty ninth of February and then the following weekend march five six seven of the punchline in Sacramento. It's all part of the Wizard Guitar tour. If you go to Wizard Reserved Guitar Dot Com. It will take you to the page and you can get tickets and all that sort of stuff so please come out. The the show has been superfund. And I've really been enjoying playing that Dang wizard guitar on the road so again. Thanks to my artist friend. Bunny Reese Four painting it and doing a spectacular job it is magical. Let's talk about you. The community like Jeremy who writes my intrepid husband. Todd Glider made the thing when he left his job three years ago. 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If you want your thing mentioned or promoted here on the podcast this episode Allison Brie number three. So this is the third time. Allison Brie has been on our ten in year history and I mean she's the best. Allison Brie is just the best. I don't you know like so talented. And just so effortlessly funny and she has co written. A new movie called Horse Girl. which is on Netflix? And it is available now. It just dropped Today's February seventh and it came out today so please go watch and support that and also glow the fourth and final season is coming up soon and and all the seasons. That are already up are just on Netflix. Because that's how our entertainment is now. It's just there. It's just there for you. So watch enjoys support. Allison Brie and this is the podcast number ten forty-six which begins right now. initiated protocol headphones off. He'll just my voice echoing throughout the World Rog version of podcast headphones Ritchie limit. On the use my ears to listen. I'm not going to school. You know the headphones I just never got into because I think anything anything that makes people feel like stubbornly. You're performing own voice in the headphones doing you. Don't get lost in the conversation and it just it. I just feel so like and also like a lot. Sometimes people coming here in between things sheriff's like maybe they don't want their hair matted down by by headphones. That's very considerate of you. Know what I try to. I try to make sure it's comfortable for everybody I certainly wouldn't want my Perm matted down by headphones it might be running by the market later. I just feel like I just have to tell people that when you look I just got a perm. We're about to start on glow I'm like. I know I follow you on Instagram. Because you do. This is such a weird business because I imagine like when Taika was shooting Joe Joe Rabbit and that Hitler Moustache Serb however long six or eight weeks when it was this is for a movie got cool. It's like it's a movie who I play Hitler. What yeah well no I know it sounds weird but it's actually a heartwarming story of our? I dude whatever envy tyco's having to explain that to of any people or even as I was describing it to like my Jewish mom being like we should watch this tonight. She was like what what I know what. It's okay it. Just play but it's funny but also it's heartfelt. Look the kids imaginary friend Hitler. It's it's an anti satire me. You'll you'll feel it's not not sounds weird but it's actually wonderful that is a. Can you imagine the pitch for that movie you know. I'm sure there was a hear me out. It took me a long time to see it because I was just like I. I don't understand you are I okay. Okay it's bold. It does sound notes nominated for everything so now. You're totally off summit for an Oscar. Of course is good movie it so you getting ready for glow by the way is always so amazing because your instagram post turned into this like inspirational national like Rocky Balboa Training Montage. I get very excited to post stuff from the gym because I don't know so if people realize that you know I was not an athletic child or teen or person in my twenties and especially in high school who was really just like more theater and didn't do any sports ever. I just have never done a lot of physical stuff so when I started training with trainer I certainly couldn't do one pull up. An assisted pull up was difficult for me. Like the stuff that I've learned to do at worked really fucking hard and yeah I get very proud and I hope that it inspires others to be like look. I really couldn't do this until I was like in my early thirties. Yeah but also so like it lets people know yes. The acting is pretend pretend for living however there are some physical won't like get more and I like to remind people that we do our own stunts on glow because it's very important to me even though we also have amazing stunt doubles and they do the stunts on says well we all do this time really finding great because of this show did you. Did something awaken you. You're like I think I'm Kinda dedicate my life to fitness now or is it just a hundred percent. Yeah because I already had been sort of casually strength training. A curling had the same trainer. I have now working out with them when I was like working on community. Yeah I remember the first year the first year that I started training with Jason Walsh. I think honestly was like my fattest year because I was. I started training with the most training like one day a week but also drinking a lot on the weekend. A friend convinced me like you know it's also good for your body strength training and I had been very accuracy just like a Cardio Cardio cardiotoxic sure I'll get into that and then it was like wow. I'm really strength training so I got to eat a lot more and and he eventually was like you know so. You're only coming one day a week. It is there something you want us to focus on that one day. I don't know that you're GONNA see a lot of progress. You'd still one day stronger than you were before stronger but anyway yes so globe then I got more and more into it and it was fun to watch because he has a lot of celebrity clients. That train for movies and right right away. Emily Blunt who had recommended Jason to me was training for edge of tomorrow that movie with Tom Cruise when I first started training with them so then I watched her go through this incredible transformation formation and he would of course feel like he likes to show the women at the gym each other's like videos of each other training to like them up. Sure just as like when Brie Larson was trading for for Captain Marvel recently he was showing her me and then he was showing me videos of her. I feel like just pitting us against a friendly rivalry where you're like holy Shit. That's amazing I want to do. Can I read. It's raw. Look at people's transformation just because it's so inspiring like fucking Kumail ripped pictures you you know Jason for a moment before he left town. Yes so it's I think it is by the way. I think it really funny if you like. If you just showed off like ripped ripped abs and be like going back to play trudy Campbell like why would trudy have no one was ripped in the sixties. That will be the question when I finish glow. Oh because it's like so yes so now I've been really addicted to it because it feels so good. The whole process has been very empowering especially like that goes along with the wrestling. The wrestling was the first step of like wow. This feels super empowering to do something that's very scary and just run at it and be fearless to connect with my body in a deeper way at odds with it really be like oh I have to love entrust my body superstrong and also love and trust these women that I'm working with and support each other so it was like a big love fest without stuff and then the strength training fed into it and continues to make me just feel good. That's a person with you. Know probably a lot of body issues that a lot of women and men I and everybody's struggle with I found that strength training with such a good way to combat those just in a healthy way. Yeah I just I think it's I think even beyond whatever idea people have in their head of like my body should look like Xyz. It's like no you should just make healthy choices. And then whatever happens. This happens like you shouldn't feel like people shouldn't go for some unrealistic ideal. But it's just like now my feeling better my making healthy choices because as as we get older this shit starts to break down yes and it made. It does just feel good. There are times when if I'm taking a break while you know if I'm forced to take could break from strength because work is getting really crazy and you're running on empty and I'll notice myself even even getting skinnier but I'm like oh I don't like that you you know what I mean. I'm going to feel better when I feel strong and had muscles bones but yes I do so I keep it up like like between seasons and I love it so much and it is a little bit of A. I don't know I feel like when season one. A Glow I came out. There was doing interviews where people were like and have your your muscles like ever gotten in the way of getting a job to which I was a first of all thank you so much I know. That's that's never been a problem. I don't think I've reached like the rock status of bike to ripped to Musculus to ripped excuse if people are like oh I don't want to work out because I'll get to rip and it's like do you know how what you would have to do in your life possible. You have after be eating so much and taking your problem. It's everything else in your life to get to them leveraging like ten hours the yeah. Those people are so dedicated. Yeah yea yea it's just not it's not. It's not realistic. But I also think it's great that we live in a time where our businesses like. When did comedians everything they would ever have have to get into shape for a thing? That's just not what comedy was before it's not and I think that some people resent it because they're like what now we all have to look look attractive all the time but it's really when you're not thinking about it like that you know coming at it from a health place in a place that is just about feeling good and then you know now in turn looking good bye but you just feel better about yourself because I start working with. I've had the same trainer for Foo- ooh Gosh fifteen years. Wow and I just started doing it because I had severe back issues and I was never shape and you know I've just just gotten sober then after a couple years and so I was like I want to do something for myself but I think it's just that sort of thing that you do where you're saying to yourself. Hey you know what I'm worth it to invest a little bit into my health and it Kinda just makes you feel better overall for that reason. Definitely I also think there are larger things about it like goal setting and goal achieving their other things that are like life lessons if you work hard at something then you get the thing that makes you feel good but definitely yes when I mean going into the heart the the hardest I ever trained with Jason. which would probably be before season one? It was all about protecting my body because we were doing the stuff like he was like. Obviously you look amazing. That's the byproduct. But first and foremost we want you to be like padded with muscles in your body slams onto the mat right. You're not hurting your back or these the muscles that are gonNA get in the way of getting other roles are they're on the verge of getting in the way but I'm keeping it in check I know I. I just never like when I started. I never thought because you know people go do you know how do you go. I feel like going to the gym. I always go. Yeah I really feel few like doing it but just make your feet walk there and then you do it and then it Sir because I feel like I disagree. I often really feel like might might like dancing to the gym. I just know how fucked up I am mentally when I don't go so I like wake up like yes. Serve most of the time but then some mornings like this morning I wake up being like my whole body hurts. There are times and that part is well you know. Muhammad Ali really said he would do sit ups until they started hurting and then only then would he start counting them because he feeling the idea being that like you. Do you know you you grow. That's where the growth happens. Not that you like. I don't have the kind of trainer that's like push through the pain. He always says like check in with your body. How does this field is kind of hurts? Still do it but I mean there are those times where you know like oh I have three more of this thing to do and you find the strength and it's like those are the ones that count the the time you go where you don't feel like going yes of course of course of course it's about right and also it's the thing that you realize that it's not like you're gonNa ever achieve the thing that enables you to stop working on right. It's a lifelong when people like it's a lifestyle but it actually is. Because you know it's we're just about forming good habits habits is just getting up and going because we don't want to get to be older and then go. Hey she probably stretch Reggie Lynch everybody's doing once I started learning about stretching I was like fuck and do this forever and he's like yeah if you you want to feel okay don't think about forever just kind of get through each day as as you can. I feel like when you were telling that story just now. About what Muhammad Ali do you remember what happened and his sit-ups It makes me think of my acting teacher in my first year at CAL arts Who told us a different story? A conflicting Muhammed Ali crunch story and it was something about how like he was got to a place of ultimate Mitt fitness. Where did five crunches day because he was already so fit that it just didn't matter anymore as I'm even saying this I'm like what was the point of telling us that like like with acting? We should just get so good at acting when you're going to be actors so don't worry about it until like the twenty twenties and then let the late two thousand ten all. Even comedians are going to have to be in good shape. Maybe he was trying to trying to inspire you to get to a level of excellence with your acting that it felt effortless. Sure yeah that makes sense like drop down and be like me do all these crunches and you do know he was very old he never really did anything physical but he was wonderful. He was a wonderful teacher but but he I'm sure he was trying to tell us about not overworking or you know what I mean. Probably not overworking over stressing a monologue. That's the thing because over her saying my my wife wasn't able to ages ago she got injured on a set of something no Geez she was down for a while nightmare and she would when she started work out again. You know I had to remind her like you don't have to do all of like you. Don't don't try to get back to where you are in one workout just a little bit because we do think like I wanna I WANNA get fit in one. I like no no no just just show up. Take it easy on yourself. Always that first day back after. You're like a vacation Outta town for a couple of. I'm like maybe twenty minutes later. I'm like I say back. Let take it easy as I remember saying to my tray like what if I wanted to like. Should I be doing this very early on I was like Chevy doing like a bunch avs every day and he was like you need to rest like you have to your body. You tear the muscle and then it has to repair yes. You can't overexert and kill yourself. Rest is very important. I do think that's that's a difficult pickled thing mentally to make yourself rest once you're in a mode of stuff. Yeah because we we listen maybe our culture and the Internet has conditioned conditioned to think that we can get everything we want immediately blamed the Internet of which contributed we have happily contributed. I believe you know. facebook wants all of our Info and then you just go agree totally cosign it and then you'd be like Oh Cool Adam. I'm so glad that that is something I'm interested in in the grand. Thank you so much. You're minute experience with instagram. Ads Relieved by stuff on Instagram ads. No but I do buy stuff. I'm very susceptible to like trendsetters people that I follow her. Who Post and tag their clothing or their workout gear? Shoot shoes or makeup or stuff like that. But it's not. It's a lot of the time it's actual people that I know and trust like if a hair stylists makeup artists that I know and trust their distrust them and be like. Oh they're using that product. I'm just telling that now. I actually think that's how I do the majority of my shopping sure which totally makes sense. But I get these targeted ads ads. Kaelin can you just go open the dishwasher because the cycle is done. It'll keep beeping. I was like what is in the dishwasher. That you're gonNA show me that was from a targeted at. Can you open the dishwasher. Show you the Senate glasses. I don't know if you're familiar with Amway bought but I get these targeted ads on instagram. He these shoes look really cool so this has happened countless times so I order them. A plastic bag from China shows the shoes looking. Nothing like the Ad Laura Day the right size but there's no paperwork like there's no way to send them back because all the writing is in Chinese and there's no return you literally just clicked on something and and one time and you're like oh I got that now. Anything arriving just in a plastic bag is already so suspect like it is sad. It's so oh it was just like it was just like fucking cares but a wardrobe stylist told me that what's happened. Is that a lot of incident that there are a lot of instagram ads. That are companies companies that have like surpluses or even factory outlet style and stuff and they've realized like we can just offload this onto instagram to get rid of who stuff but there's no return very smart but I definitely sounds problematic shocked to hear the items are are not not the actual item sound very. Oh my God I'm shocked but the shoes don't even look the same that's crazy. You're saying that he wasn't the Nigerian improves. You just need to hold some money in your account for. I just go straight to like emily cow skis accounts. What's to be like her ABROA- underline she's selling thank you great? There's like at least some line of accountability but see. That's the smart way to do it. But I'm just like I'm so I am who they've designed the targeted ads for like a guy. WHO's the clock in the morning duped? Fuck I'll get the these. It's not it's not GonNa Happen in eighth time in a row. Oh of course. This isn't even even what I asked for. It really gets your problem. It's like you have an addiction into buying thing. Yeah no because it. Just listen we live at no other time in human history. Did every citizen live like Goddamn Pharaoh where you could just summon anything. Snap your fingers. Yeah that is pretty crazy true. We're spoiled we've we really are especially with Amazon's like overnight delivery one day free shipping and stuff like that but it's also convenient even though I know we're anti Amazon look. I'm not trying to start controversy. Did I order some plastic spray bottles. Did I a day ago. Say we need plastic spray bottles to keep the cat cat from scratching the couch and Voila. I was using them on under twenty four hour. You could probably and not just that you probably they're probably ones that are specifically typically designed to score cats like they're probably. I didn't see that out but I was looking at different designs. Insurer aesthetics is it's going to be sitting in the living of course it's a part of the it's part of the whole thing or exactly you WanNa make sure it's fashionable at the same time as being functional to keep the cats but I guess I hate that I I love it so much I just hate my God damn it. This is so convenient and angry. But that's what I think. Amazon is not just a sales portal. I feel like get is the most comprehensive psychological profile of hundreds of millions of people. Yeah I guess what do you mean. Wean it tracks everything that you shirt so like even Amazon is like suggesting things that you buy. Yes so you're saying. Also so getting duped by Amazon in the mall days so like malls were very mathematically designed like they figured out specific ways. Like if you if you come out of this type of store you are like your x percent more likely to buy this kind of thing share. When you're walking here from the food court you'll have to go through here with with Amazon? It is specific like it's not just theoretical day like they're using like legitimate actual practical data for for how every individual to map someone's consumerism. Says so much about who they are and their psychology. But are you buying stuff on Amazon that they are suggesting you too bye okay. I just wanted to go backwards again to the root of the problem because like when they go on Amazon. I'm more targeted attack. I'm like you know what I need to repurchase my shampoo let me get it at all right now. It's here is this is all just browsing on and just like what do you got for me. Day definitely don't I like the idea of going to Amazon and it going. Hey Alison would you like and you go fuck you know no no tries just the water bottles. Thinks it's true even even get suspicious when it'll be like like you've bought this before WanNa buy it again. I'm like Relax Amazon. And then my oh yeah. Actually that is what I wanted to. What stocks do you like this thing and you want this thing? I've noticed. Did you like this thing. I'm noticing me. You want to hear other people. I don't WanNa be like people I don't know who also about this. Go Fuck them. I'm not going to buy it then. Yeah in in your face well affect no one but myself and I will not purchase it do you do you force yourself to do like like in real life experiences to prevent from being sort of coddled by the conveniences algorithms of the Internet. You mean do I sit there and like mentally. Think about like think it through. What do you mean real life experience? I mean like sometimes I go well. I could buy this on Amazon or I could just get in my car and go to a store to just be out in the world to not just depend on this thing so much. Sure no I really do that. I love shopping online but I have my you know every with close with closed. Sometimes I'll do a thing. where a by some stuff online thinking being from a store that has an actual location in L. A.? And I'll be like I'm going to buy these things I'm going to try them on and that'll give me a reason to go in. I'll go to the store concern or exchange need to go so that makes sense so basically the Internet has allowed you to make your home. The dressing rooms exactly which is better because you would still be surprised. How many stores have terrible lighting dressing rooms how not figured this out yet just straight down every crevice revealed and we've already discussed? I have amazing muscles structure. Almost should. It's almost too much it's almost too much it's almost two. Oh my God you're right. Why don't they invest in like insane lighting systems? I would say shout out to reformation. Do you know this clothing store. Women's clothing store. They've been redoing their stores but maybe just in New York and La. They are like the first test runs where you go in the dressing room. It's a whole thing okay. Go in their store and then and I love their clothes and they do some good good stuff environmentally recycling fabrics than stuff. So anyway you go in their store. And there's there's close on the racks but you don't touch those clothes you go to like you're shopping online. You go to a screen and you look through the stuff and you put it in your basket. You put in your closet and then you'll be ready to try these on and then they'll be like allison you're room is ready. And then you go in a room and the dressing room has a closet you you open the closet. That stuff's all hanging in there. And they have three different lighting settings that are like mood sunny like blue it really. It's really and I always leave something I don't need of course I'm like wow you put it on a soft kind of like yellowy lights and you're like this looks amazing. Brilliant it really is. I wonder how many times I really what happens. If if if I shop at a place like that I'd go get it home and go looking at. We have three different lighting settings in my home. I guess I've never fully regret I've gotten home and been like I didn't need this but I. You never have felt fully duped. I actually just think they're putting their best foot forward. They are trying to give you a good experience and it's very nice. We were driving by the a Beverly Grove yesterday. And there's a giant you know it's like right on Fairfax in third. Yes and I think there's a whole foods there but then there's this giant retail store that had been empty for a while and it was like it said like the Britney's zone like what the fuck is the Britney's zone and he. It was driving so she goes. Look it up but I looked it up so it is actually the most genius thing I've ever heard of. It is a retail. It's a pop up retail experience. Experience Score Britney Spears fans. Wow so first of all you have to buy if I'm understanding this correctly if I'm not please don't sue me Brittany Zone. I think you have to buy tickets to go. Wow so you buy tickets to go west and you so you get you on that front and then you go in and then it's like a walk walk through of a bunch of Brittany shit like sets from her videos and stuff okay and then on top of that. You can buy retail stuff. So you're basically paying go by retail stuff. Are you buying things actual pieces of clothing that she wore or like replicas like they make them in every size and here's a Britney une- ivine top and now we're Joel know if it's that or just t shirts that say toxic on. I know what it is. I buy tickets and go in. You didn't find him out yet not yet not yet it but it just seemed like what an interesting idea and it's there for like four months of of of the idea that we're at a point consumers and where you can charge the people to go shopping in the store. But if but they are they are they've curated. What sounds like an experience? And if you're a Britney fan it makes like you would. I mean the thought that much different than I guess. What a museum does you get a curated experience that you pay to get in for and then there's a gift shop? La It sort of reminds. That's me of like the Wax Museum which I've actually never been in but the idea of it or like those saved by the bell. The math fucking great. I didn't get to go but I I definitely considered it. It was great. I mean they got the detailing down and it really was like. Oh Shit. We're and we're there Mr Belding was there also like it was the really was the full experience. And how is the food. It was fine it it was like I think if you went. I don't even remember what the food was like but I can't imagine that the food for the Moon restaurant in saved by the bell like it was just like invited burgers and fries. Yeah Yeah exactly. It's like you're GONNA if you're gonna go to Johnny Rockets and get burgers and fries. Might as well go to the mass. We'll go to the MAG because the full experience did you dress PRESA dress up. which is like US actually? Normally we would but we did not we did not at this time we were not above it. I appreciate the restraint. Yeah that would have all. That would have been hard. It's one thing to change stuff for a role but other like we're going to a save by the Bell Restaurant. Take it down fully got. We're here perm. I was thinking as I was heading here that I was sorta channeling a bit of Jesse Span. Oh Oh there is a little bit of that because before I get so this is stage one of the perm. They cut it into my like ruth shirt sort of SHAG mullet. That really sells the eighties. But I have to say that your hair looks so cool that in the show or right now right now on show and right now because that time period is is is fashionable. And so when you go my hair actually looks really cool. You know I don't mind it in fact it's been really fun before working on glow. My hair was really really long and Brown and straight just for years. I think I was so terrified to cut it. Because you know you're booking jobs looking a certain way and you WanNa have you WANNA be recognizable to people once you've done some job and then every job I would book I would be like and maybe this character characters should we cut her hair like maybe she's got a Bob and they'd be like no. We just hired you to look the way you look so doing. This was was really fun to come in for season one. I feel like my hair should look like sigourney weaver in alien and they were like we agree and and then it's been this fun. Hair your journey for me because it kind of cracked every where I think you know. There's a great monologue in season to a fleabag about hair being very connected to women's power and all this stuff and I think it it can be scary for women to to to make the jump into chopping their hair once were kind of associate long hair with beauty and things like that even though you realize that. Cute cuts are much more fashionable. Anyway this is all to say it really cracked it open for me once. My hair was so crazy for the show. Oh between seasons. I'd be like what should I do. Thicker bangs no Vang's chop shorter shopping shorter than that Dia Blonde is sort of like got to have a lot more fun with well and I also have about your. INSTAGRAM is how much joy I think. I don't know what you really feel about going to a lot of having to go to a lot of events and go to a lot of things but it really feels like there's a lot of joy and like I get to experiment with a lot of different stuff and play dress up and try a bunch of different things and it's Ah that's a really fun part. That feels like you really are embracing and enjoying rather than feeling burdened by. I do have fun with it. I think that but you're right that those are sort of the two options so either you can get really overwhelmed and be like why do I have to go do this or you can sort of wrap your head around the fact that that is a big part of what our jobs are as actors. It's not you don't really have the luxury especially we now have been just like I'm an actor. I get lost in roller. I don't talk about my work. Also this doesn't make any sense to me. I think on on the flip side is that I am really proud of this stuff. I work on and I love glow so much like I've been a good place these past few years where I've really only been doing doing jobs that I really love. I don't feel like I've been taking a job just to work on something so I am really excited to talk about the stuff and also some mhm sort of switch flipped even the past couple years where I started just feeling incredibly grateful for to have fans that. Watch the stuff that I do you in order. I mean I don't know I think maybe it did come from a place of feeling very overwhelmed and bombarded by lots of stuff and getting fully shut down and then going wait a minute in it. It's so great I get to do this thing. And People Watch it and they like it and Oh oh it's so hard I have to go do a Qa for an hour and then stand there for thirty minutes while people telling me how much they love me love. The I worked on like move twist my arm and especially with glow because it's been such a special experience all around love the women I work with and the men And I feel like I've grown a lot as a person through. You're doing it so if you know when you're so connected to a job it means even more bold like appreciate it when you've worked on so much cool stuff. No I mean you have this amazing I mean it just like madman was fantastic but then community was just this jam him community is sort of like it's sort of like firefly in that way that people like they always want to make more community. It's so funny funny. We just did a ten year reunion panel at Vulture Fest Crazy. I know we'll since our first season. Not since the final footstool the decade. You know it is pretty crazy and it was so fun to be together to do this panel and realize how excited people still are about that that show and about us doing a movie which we probably will never do not so sure because the reason being that these these types of show I mean look at the end of the nineties. They were probably like well. You know friends will probably have some life in home video but total or the office or whatever but people watch these shows yeah streaming. Because they're just fun to drop into any episode road just get lulled into a sense of nostalgia in safety and fun and comedy definitely and I and I think the the further that I get from it the more my personal nostalgic grows community so maybe like right after we wrap. I was like Jesus movie. No we've been through so much already uh-huh whereas that show should have been like that like when you get on on big thunder mountain at Disneyland. Get ready buckled up. Here comes the loudest Radna Whiz no idea but but yeah even just gearing up for for this ten year reunion which again was probably like two hours of my life like getting divulge Taking photos and doing this panel. But they had asked US beforehand hand to tell them our favorite episodes so that we could talk about on the panel and in weird mode. I was like yes. It was very Ami from community unity. It was it was very me just being like I'm going to take various favorite episode. Okay this is a daunting task. REWATCH EPA okay. Let me hit the ones I think might be my favorite. I and I did this sort of deep dive. I haven't I mean we used to watch as a cast. We really watched all the episodes of community as air. Sometimes shooting the show while they were airing which was like the first half of the season usually we would go into the craft service truck. That had a TV and like on Thursday nights. Go in there and watch over your shooting. We were so excited about the show. So I've I've watched every episode But haven't watched them again since they came out and it was so fun they feel so for it and then when we got to the panel and of course they were just like everyone submit questions for the panel and we basically just. I've got one hundred of the same question which is when are you doing the movie. I was like God. Bless you guys. I mean I guess I'm in do it. That's the thing that with streaming these these swell resurgence swells can happen. And I don't see why the I mean unless it was like a legal issue shoe but I don't see why they wouldn't I think it's it's an issue of like. Could we get everyone back to get a so. It's NBC NBC. They have their peacock streaming service. Maybe it's maybe it's a kind of thing where they come to you and they go. Hey let's just shoot a movie like we're just going to do like a community reunion movie and put it on the street like there's A. I totally see something like that happening. I agree but I feel like my problem. Still stands that the whole role to both of us. That's it all comes back to that where they're like Anne muscles will she does now. Hey anything could could happen. I think it's like I think it's going to be like. Is there any world in which Donald schedule and Dan Harmon's like like ability to write the script in a timely fashion and have a script for us to perform in the middle of the seventy episodes of brick and mortar. They're making right now but I totally think that like everyone was so I mean that was such a springboard for everyone in such a special moment in time that you know I think if I think if everyone in the cast went on to win Oscars for stuff and was booked book five years in advance that everyone would it be like a little bit like going to make time to go shoot for a week or two weeks or whatever like anything to come back and make this. It happened because that for you guys that was like I mean it. It almost weirdly was sort of like a community college experience. It totally was it really was. Yeah I mean for me. It was like a comedy clinic. Yes you know because I had been working on madman for a couple years but otherwise I hadn't done a lot of work on television and are in films like After college and I just was watching. It was like me connecting to what makes me funny any having never realized before community that I was a comedic actress and so one tapping into just like. Oh Oh yeah ah have a great sense of humor and like we use that and have fun and be silly and then also watching Joel and donald even Chevy and seeing everybody's levels of everybody really came at comedy in a different way. Joel's like wit and Sarcasm Chevy fallen off stuff off. The physical comedy gets harder. It gets a little harder as you get older. That's what you're training for. That's exactly what in trading for somebody totally prepared to fall over chairs. Anyway it was funded sixty throw a table at me. I can take come on down. Yeah no it was a great community and I go community. I feel like we all had such a fun time too. That's what I thought of. Most when I was watching episodes is like like I could. Vividly remember the behind the scenes inside jokes that we were doing while shooting certain episodes and things that would stay in our brains and like I just love those goofballs like we still are running group. Text chain is like a daily thing. Well I think it also is good because you know listen you said Oh. I've been so lucky to work on all these things that I've really enjoyed but you make those choices like not everyone I mean. Obviously you're getting opportunities but you're also but I feel like you are creating those opportunities because you are you believe in yourself as a performer. Definitely but also I. I think that luck is also involved in a major way like the year that I auditioned for community. I also auditioned for a pilot called two dollar beer. That didn't get picked adopt. Could've is easily book that all Donald Targets you know. I do think I've gotten lucky. 'cause you watch very talented people do pilot highland after pilot every year. You know and stuff that you go. Oh Yeah I could see how that sounded great and the people behind it are awesome but then it just didn't work and then you also realize how it really is magic when things work like. That's how I felt on globe because I think probably because coming from madman and community it was like like can it happen again And working with a lot of women on the show who haven't worked on a show before for the fall like I was like like an old fogy trying to be guys. You don't even realize like this doesn't happen all the time. We're super lucky. This is crazy chemistry's amazing and the magic has happened. Yeah it is it is it is hard to especially. If that's your first job to have an amazing job. Yeah and then go to a second job thinking like Oh this is going to be as every show is a hit show. I mean but I mean madman was essentially my first TV job. So I guess I had a bit of that. Yeah but but what's Great. Is that the now that you've done this like three times in a row. I feel like the business trusts you. Yes and so you're GONNA a get even more and other opportunities because you you have been a part of it I hope so. There's no I mean there's just no question did you. I don't know I'm because you can do. You can do dramatic stuff but you also are such a phenomenal comedy actor too so it just feel. There's so much that you can do kill. The question will be how. How will you trusting your gut? How how do you know what to pick? You know like not listening to someone you should do this. I don't know if I should trust me. You know that is the most daunting thing. Definitely as we're going into our final season glow this is going to be the fourth and final seasons so it. It's so nice to a real luxury to know in advance that it's the last season because in addition to you are show runners getting to write like an amazing final season. Tie everything up in a bow. We also have a slight jump. Start on Great GonNa be free looking for other work serving in June. So that's a great advantage but it is. It's interesting as Mike reading stuff in even just trying to wrap my head around that which is kind of difficult to do while. We're still sure you're up to shoot the finals. It's like I'm not ready to say goodbye to glow yet. Even other like you should be thinking about the next thing now. It's like I'm not ready but it's it's a tricky thing to sort of way. Yes it's exactly what you're talking about. There's a lot of people who will be like on paper paper. This is the job the job you should do next or some this makes sense career-wise from where you've been already and I I do think gut has a lot to do with it and I also think we're all always growing and changing. I certainly feel like I have grown and changed and my taste has changed and the things like as you work on something than certain things get fulfilled so now looking at the next thing. You're like well what else hasn't been like. I don't want to keep doing the same thing and I really. I feel like I haven't other luxuries like from Madman to community to glow it's like who end also not just three different types of shows but three completely letelier different characters so it is for you. I think it's going to be the sort of fun thing of like. Oh I WANNA do I WANNA be some weird this sir like a you know yeah definitely yeah. It's all that stuff and saying and weighing that against even my own life I guests and who I am and my age you know what I mean like now I feel this way as a person and and then the other factor to of I think the kind of people people you WanNa work with and in that way glow has been so opposite to community in terms of just the tumultuous nature sure of community as a show with the there were some volatile people. There were there was a lot of uncertainty always on the bubble getting pulled off the air getting pulled back on the Air Dan Dan harmon getting fired. Rehired getting cancelled getting picked up a yahoo screen. Right right you know. Do you remember that infamous Yahu screen. I read one year. I remember I remember moderating the panel when Dan came back and exciting at COMECON DINO SAMA topple asked a question from the audience like he stood in line s a question. He was like starbucks. Yeah so Dan I guess unfought Sony then or whatever it was and Dan was like all right and it was a good deal so he was he was. He was harassing day because Dan was on his best behavior so he was like okay. All right yeah we get it. You know I agree next next now. I just WanNa make sure that we're clear. You know totally here. He came out as iron man in an like an iron man in the boxes. Right and I think they can't remember but but maybe we were in like the biggest haul at comecon earth COMECON COMECON for community. That's insane our fans are the best. It was like seven thousand people. You know people but anyway I guess so the flip side of that has been in this like female oasis of like feminist power on this. Oh glow where. Things have been super harmonious and I mean there's always a lot going on making a show and a lot of personality and a lot of things happening but having a very united cast and crew and you you know it just checked so many boxes and also you're like Oh okay so it is possible to have like a pretty great. I mean the community environment was great so I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say. I know what you mean in terms of the environment like it didn't feel you're just talking just talking about the volatility and how little control over it. Everyone felt yes. And this to me. What you're saying just like the show just feels like the production just feels very comfortable? Yes and it's like yes. Yes there's just like a real lack of drama for a show with fifteen female characters. There's a real lack of drama. Needless draw and also not showing up everybody being like so. We're working next week right guys. Are we still shooting. But it's not cool good to know. I've been reading some weird stuff on the Internet. Are we sure we're GONNA it'll be here next week. I mean that's a whole other layer because everything just feels so impermanent in this business anyway. Yeah well and also I mean not to really get get into this stuff but it's it's also such an interesting time with with the women in our industry and men in our industry and kind of Cleaning House and sort of getting rid of a lot of nefarious character and women being able to kind of own their power and certainly glow has been that way being that it's a show run by women and created by women and and being number one on the call sheet and me feeling like I have a more of a voice there even because of just because of that but so as I look forward to the next thing it feels like also have it really was different. It's been really different working with so many women in a really good way so I've also worked with a lot of great men. I always want to work with men and women but there is a sense of like as I look forward to the next thing to where I'm kind of like I want women I want women to the involved and also winning around or also then. No one can ever make the argument again. Well I don't know she was like no fuck you do it. We fucking did did it perfectly. So it's this fun time of like we feel we've all been moving forward and now it's up to us to continue to move forward in the way that we make decisions to produce a show attached to a show who we want to work with. I feel like there are so many antiquated ideas from the old media. Business about who can open opened a movie and who can star in this thing and it's like what I feel like what the streaming services like Netflix have shown is when they're not so like when networks were so afraid to try anything Netflix. Look we're making so much program we're GonNa try and then that was the proving ground it's like. Yeah it works you make a good show and a good show is a good show. I know and so I'm so happy for you and I also think that now that you know how to do quit like your next job like you can take this model into your next job. Yes because you have you done it. So yes I think so. That is the plan I feel like also. Yeah I mean in that sense twenty. Nine thousand nine hundred was a really great year because my husband and I both wrote movies and he directed his and I acted in. It's called the rental through taste and I wrote mine with Jeff Bena and we co produced it with the Duke suplies brothers and this horse girl star in it and it was really fun. Both you know low budget movies small mall productions but it was so fun to be to watch Dave I. It was the the whole process not to relate everything to to my wonderful husband but it was really fun because I watched him as he was writing this movie with Joe Swartberg and then that really inspired me to write a movie with my friend friend and so everything was happening like and then it was like we're getting our movie made and there was like we're getting our movie made. We shot his movie. In April we shot our movie in June. You know it was really just kind of like this experience And so I got to watch as he was putting his crew together and he was like he had such a strong vision for his movie and and but was really like I. Just don't WanNa work with assholes misses the small production. We have a little amount of time to do a lot of stuff and I want it to be exactly what I wanted to be. I want really good people but I believe leave that I can hire really good people who are really good at their jobs and also not asshole and I'm gonNA prove that it's possible and he did and and it was just the most wonderful experience Christian springer shot at who shot our first season. aglow he shoots all of it land. We shot it in Oregon and it. Just it was like the most harmonious and in a five week shoot. We shot three solid weeks of nights and people were getting sick left and right and it was still the greatest group of people know complaining having so much fun and then with horse girl it was really the same. I mean the duplex others are so wonderful and we did it for Netflix. And Mel as Lynn was another one of our producers and Alana carruthers and they I mean the laws. Everybody at applause is so supportive first of all and course girl is a Kooky movie and we also you know. We wrote a thirty five page outline and we improvised all the dialogue in the move. Oh my gosh for the most part so you know it's a hard sell to some people but not to those guys not scared of that at all. I mean listen I mean of course they shot creep on iphones phones. You know what I mean like the way they were like for Blue Jay. We had a one page outline and we shot a movie based on it. We were like oh great. So you're not afraid of Arno very detailed thirty-five pages at one point Mark Do Plaza as as we were like agreeing to go into business with each other. He was like to Jeff and I was like. I don't need to know every detail did you want. Oh did you get a chance to watch the movie. I haven't gotten to seen it. You see okay. Sorry sorry I've tried to only. Oh No send it to you. He was like I don't know if if I need to understand every aspect but do you guys know what's going on and we were like we definitely do rate arrate producer Greg. Great then I'm on board and anyway it was the same type of thing where everybody do find this actually a lot about independent film because the people that are there to do it are doing it because they love their jobs. They love the material. They love the people that are involved so it was just another Absolute Love Fest and it just it did make me feel good about producing and more and more getting on the other side of the camera and and being a apart of putting the job together to ensure that it is the love fest that I want it to be but how but how exciting is that because you can act and stuff and go look watching but this like you idea. Did this like this was a you made this manifested this thing out of thin air you guys manifested this out of out of nothing. That's an incredible feat. I'm super excited about it. I like Kinda still can't even believe it because we put the whole it all it has also came together very quickly. We wrote it in two thousand eighteen shot in two thousand nine hundred nine and it's coming out February seventh incredibly. It was like a summer to summer in in terms of putting it together which was so great and yet. It's the first thing I've ever written and it was a scary. It was so cool to have a partner like Jeff because he's also also on board and basically I think I wouldn't have this was towed dipping into writing and we're actually working on another thing together now because I think I I didn't have the courage to do something I on my own to just sit down alone pen to paper and be like I'm going to flesh out this idea. I totally understand what you I mean you. You WanNa work with someone WHO's experienced. The first thing that I ever wrote was with the much more experienced person. Because I'm like I don't know and I think I also. Oh it's like you want some validation of called my managers early on to be. I'm thinking of writing this thing. Sort of soft pitched part of the idea and they were like know about that. I mean like already at Pichler at two sentence pitch level they were already like what. What if it was more like this? What if there were less? You know ideas about aliens that you wanted to. I was like okay. Never mind. I'll just it's never talk to you guys about it again and I'm going to go pitch it to my other friend. Yep and she says. We're talking about like when when Netflix has. It's like all of everything there isn't an idea that's too. There's a fucking we turned on. I took a screen shot. There's a God damn show on Netflix. It's called the sniffer. And it's about a guy who sniffs things. Now it's like the mental Est.. Buddy sniffs things. It's a Russian show. There's multiple seasons of it and you know for anyone who's ever pitched netflixing had him pick it up and you're like what the sniffer not really. The point is there's like there's there's so much room to create the most specific idea like the more specific the better definitely and I think I also sort of was feeling like look look ideas. Derivative ideas will always get made and they will continue to get made on a mass level of St Studio heads. ADS are still scared. I think to make things that are two different jobs. If it doesn't work exactly exactly the stakes are very high. And there's millions of millions of dollars there's involved but for me on a small level if I'm going to write something for myself to star in it's because I want to give myself the opportunity you to do something I've never done before and I wanted to feel really unique and different and I think I feel most proud that I truly believe that this movie feels unlike unlike anything you've seen before you might have little touch tones of like you know. I don't know whatever references you might find but it is very different and unique and and and that was scary to even while we're making it. I feel like every other day I was like this is the greatest thing that's ever existed. And then the next day I'd be like I don't know maybe it's terrible i. I don't know what we're doing but that was exciting too because I was just like I'd rather just really fail at something. That's cool in different. I don't think you would but it can't fail. They're they're already. We had an amazing experience yet. And I love it you you literally. This literally cannot fail and also because it's Netflix doesn't have to make a one hundred million dollars definitely event and the audience is that the audience is GonNa love it. I mean it just isn't it's audience will find. It's definitely not for everyone. I think that that was a fun conversation to have with with everyone. Everyone involved and even netflix being like totally. Yeah and to kind of feel good about that like it's fun to make something. That's maybe not for everyone because that means means you're saying you're saying something right. Can I pick your brain about just some like writing advice. You can try no because it was you know I have not written a movie but I really WanNa ride a horror film and so what how did did you like. What do the outline and improvised style? How were you motivating to? Was it. A daily thing that you have a daily routine in or did you wait to get struck by inspiration it. It was a daily thing I mean so we'll put the funny part about like also Bain in an eye coming together and then finding that we're that we love collaborating together is like a lot of it was born out of convenience because we live very very close to one another and we are good friends and Aubrey. His girlfriend and I are good friends and I had worked with him on a couple of his movies. So I've worked with come on Josh and also the little hours Dave was in as well and we often just get together and take long hikes Jeff Nigh You you know like two plus our hikes around the canyon talking about all these different things and sometimes talking about ideas and this and that so it was sort of born out of that and I feel like it's started with us on a hike. Me Saying let me talk to you about this idea. You know feeling very self conscious and then the longer we Even that first hike. He's Yom into it and then you know an hour or two and what if this happened. Yeah I could see that. What if this happened? What if this up and and then we probably did two more just long hikes of talking about the idea and then it was? We started a really I I again. This was not last summer but the summer before and I really wasn't working so it also sort of a chance to be like I'm. I'm not liking anything I'm reading and then I'm bored. I don't lose my mind and we live quite close to one another so we set up our schedule every week and it would probably be three or four days a week where I would walk over to was house and we would write for like six hours. Both of us with our computers open in final draft typing on the same. You know open in documents because someone was just asking me that they were like does he do a pass. Then send it to you and you do Pasos like not at all during the conversation. Very Simultaneously Taniwha Day in collaboration sitting and so we would just start with just started with a super loose outline of like. Here's the idea. And here's kind of WHO this character is. And and what other characters are there and then kind of delved into like and what's her routine and then just kind of every time we'd go back through it and comb through again and again and kind of spread it out and spread it out. Spread spread the world. A little more. She needs another. What else does she have in her life? What other people does she have? What if this guy did this like and yeah really you know then that was kind of the thing and then kind of honing in and then at getting more and more detailed even though it is based on an outline this is probably ably? I feel like certainly for Jeff. I feel like this is the most intricate improvised movie that has existed. There are loops of time and and you know there are there are themes were exploring that are kind of complicated so there was a lot of then coming back through it to be like. Is this landing being. Are we connecting this. Does this make sense in. What realm is this? You know doing that. And also there are a lot of personal aspects to it it because the impetus for the whole idea was sort of about my personal family history and things like that so so it was like like and then going back through for the emotional once. It got to a good place I think doing passes for all those kinds of different things of like. Is it making sense on multiple watches. Would everything's still makes sense. Are we so you were just talking any questions as possible and then trying to answer those questions. We're we're we're because because a lot of the. The dialogue was improvised. Were other people movie. Did you have like rehearsals are like get people together to try to kind of get to know each other a little bit. You know we. I really didn't end up having time to do that. Because a lot of the people again on such a small production you know people are. You can kind of get people when you get people's flying in and then shooting the next day for a week and then they're gone but I pretty much with all of the actor I think with every actor we we did did either a skype meeting or face to face like hour long meeting to go through all the seens and just sort of discuss their arc and what happens in each scene because the way are you. The Pena does these improvised moves. It's not as Loosey Goosey as you might think and so each scene is really. It's it's more just like we want the actual dialogue to be improvised so it sounds like it's organic and it's coming out of these people's mouths but when you read the outline its paragraphs of this person enters as the room and says this to say this is like an Improv game. It's now and it's not as free form as you know. Get my husband. David has worked with Joe Swartberg on his this show easy and he's like sometimes we'd be shooting these scenes where we'd be talking about something and then we'd get into some other thing that wasn't even really part of the thing and Joe would be like go there and I'm like Oh we would not be sorry. No no no we actually have. These three major plot points are going to have to intact in the next four sentences and then it becomes really like the first take we would start with a wide shot and do that a few times and by the third take the wide we would pretty much lock in the dialogue and then and then even by the time we would come in for coverage sometimes our script supervisor would type up the dialogue. It'd be almost it's like you're like you're like oh great. So that's what we're seeing in the great so it is. It was really fun and especially because in the little hours it was all in Jeff's mind you know and I was one of those actors being like Oh interesting and also. We were fourteenth century nuns improvising. Very comedic league a and that was a little scary and I was still sort of learning how jeff worked and this time it was a real great advantage having created with Jeff and being the main character. That's every scene because there was just a lot less left up to question. You know what I mean the actors improvising in a scene with me I can be guiding seen sort of towards where it's meant to go absolutely and it also like really you've built this really empowering cowering career which I feel like you're you're allowing yourself to say like revving settling for just whatever is out there you're able to save yourself like what do I want to do. And what do I want to explore. Your biggest challenge. Moving forward is going to be because I would imagine you're going to get more right. This is GonNa this is going to lead to a whole other grove of opportunities. And so you're GONNA be like. Do I want to write more. Do I WANNA act more. How do I know definitely which sounds like a luxury but it'll be stressful? Because because like Oh God I like all of it. What do I do even already? Because this idea because it's so personal to me had been something that I had been thinking about for probably ten years and you know what my whole life sort of like concepts baked into this. That are like just so personal that you I am a little bit like well. Maybe that was my one idea. Do know like what is what is the next idea. I don't really know it took me so long to have the courage to share. You're the first idea with anyone you know. I don't. I'm not like this machine or this and Henry. How about this pitch about this? All right I got a mystery for you. GotTa comedy gotTa it. You know so so that certainly will be interesting to me. I wonder if this might be this. Might sound too pretentious really stupid and I apologize our drives. But I'm just sort of thinking about Trudy Anne and then route I'm thinking about how to know that a lot of people make connections with them. You're not the first we'll think about if you think about where you like what you're sort of place in the business business was and what Trudeau as role on mad men was. Oh that just sort of like you know what I'll just sort of take whatever's Delta me because that's how you yeah and make the best of it and he was still you know still trying to come out of Shell and and then and then glow is like so like Y- you your characters have sort of evolved with your standing in the business. Interesting sort of a way is not the connection. I thought you were going to do. It's a lot of people like to point out that like you know treaties daughter could have been ruth and then Ruth's daughter is it's a very literal I'm I was going for the You know two people smoking behind a copy. What if this represents the? It's no no it's very true. I hope that I mean I would hope that my work does reflect that and I guess that is sort of what I was talking about earlier when we're talking about looking forward word to the next thing that like I can't disassociate sort of. Yes where I am what. My current mindset is about my place in the business or about how I feel about out myself as a woman or a person or a working person actor like a it does inform the thing you know what I mean. Not Not saying that. I don't WanNa play like like a meek person and in fact in Horse Girl Sarah is very quiet sort of awkward Girl but but she does actually sort of find ah interesting source of power anyway but yes. I do think that there is something to I. Don't know I I it's like I'm not able I'm not articulating it but but there is something to as I grow and change as a person come into my own power more and like feel more confident and comfortable expressing expressing my ideas and having a voice. I do think that my work is influenced by that and I hope it continues to be born. What what is it that you want to I mean? Do you have any sort of broad goals about what you want to say with. What types of things you want to like? Have you thought about it that far in advance or is it just sort of a you know as it comes you just kind of see what feels right I think the latter. I don't know that there is like like this broad general thing. I think it's more like again. It's case to case basis because with every job. I do I go all right now. I filled that hole all of wanting to do that. So what's the new hole. I'm trying to fill or the new thing that I feel like I haven't done or something new that I've uncovered as as I've matured in life that now I'm noticing that I didn't notice before and then I think from there it's also about you know this exciting moment even in my own household like Dave wrote a movie and I wrote a movie and now the next logical step to both of us like we should write something together so you can do to another thing together and what what do we want to tap into their an end and then it just comes more I think from a place of of just what i WanNa do uncover things that feel unique and different things like that I. I have a startling confession to make. which is that and this is something that I I have a little bit of an avoidance issue with shows that I like I never watched the last couple episodes of madmen and when back like I was the same with deadwood? I love that that show and I did not watch the last episode of Deadwood for like five years because you watch it recently because then they did the deadwood movie but since I didn't watch the OH I did actually watch the last episode. Yes but there's a weird avoidance thing that I have because like I don't want it to be over and so like I I avoided watch i. I know what happens in the last episode. Because it's even read the articles and people have told me and everything but it's but their shows that I get really attached to that it's really hard for me to like. Let go of. Yeah but I know that near the end trudy was having none of Pete's shit anymore more but they came back around and actually had an incredibly romantic happy ending did they okay good so maybe you should have wide because the second to last episode. Maybe some of my best work on that show. I know it's a weird thing to admit into say but it is. It is hard for me to because I guess in my mind it's still happening. It's still an open loop out there. I guess it surprises me because it's so easy to rewatch stuff like like I think I'm more like I raced to finish it and then I watch it again I for me. There's a little bit of. I know this sounds weird but I get like weirdly. Sad add as people do I get I get emotional when a show attached to this and so it's hard for me to let it go and so when I don't watch the last episode or two it sort of like current us. I'm delaying the sort of like. This is going to bum me out that this is ending. I mean. Obviously I had to watch less breaking bad because I was hosting a show about it And it was a perfect ending. I just watched all of breaking bad for the first time ever her and I mean it's incredible journey. It's an incredible Dave loves when I come to something like very late but then have my hot take and he'll he'll get home and I'll be like babe breaking bad. Show my God CRANSTON's incredible. He's like honey. Don't say this to anyone else. I don't know if you've seen this breaking bad program. Actually I guess a couple of years ago when. What was the latest Paul Thomas Anderson movie about the dressmaker? Ah which we were obsessed with Phantom threat and we do this often like recently. When once upon a time in Hollywood came out we went back and rewatch all Tarintino knows movies and when Phantom threat came out we went back and watch I'LL PT Anderson's movies which have always been so my? My favorite movies is one of my favorite directors and and we re watched there will be blood and we're brushing our teeth. And I was like Daniel Taylor let me be the first to say greatest actor of our time good turns out tiny to start tweeting that it D- Lewis good. I don't know if these guys is Joaquin. Phoenix incredible actors been really interesting. Is that since. This joker like broke all these records and everything. We've seen a glut of movies on Netflix. That walking Phoenix was I. Guess just either got long nast or whatever but it's it's that thing like Oh shit now's the time so it's just like all these movies that we've never heard of that. He's starring in like. When did these get made oranges sitting on it like? I don't know what to get him out. Get Him out now. I love doing that on Netflix. Also even just on itunes. You'll go on I tunes. It's like all the new releases but then then there's like a bunch of will ferrell movies like and you'll be like and then trying to gas and do the math backwards of like a what does will have coming out that we should did or what Jacuzzi just got nominated that that's up here. I think sometimes their those movies that for whatever reason they make them and then they just kind of sit around around and then done a few of those up now this is on again. Where'd you put that Joaquim? I put it right here. I don't know where it is over again. I've gotta get it on Netflix. It definitely but But again it's such a terrifying. It's such an odd interesting and also exciting time in terms of content platforms just like there. There are a lot of options now. But everything's just so up in the air about what's GonNa that's GonNa stick around what's going to be the thing was I l- little it scares me a little because now there's just so many it's it's it's overwhelming now. It's the opposite words like there's tons of work you're we're GONNA be able to work you know there's tons of shows getting made but but which ones will break through which will connect with people. There are so many good actors working on really good shows that no one's watching even about will the show connect with people will the platform. It's on canal. They get behind it. Are People people watching apple plus and Disney lesson. I bought them all. I'm like you know what I tried to take a real stand. I'm not going to get every I should watch the morning morning. Show is not going to get everything but I can write it off because hostage business expense. We'll just do the trial year and then we'll see if we resubscribe. If we have to go to a lot of events people are going to ask about stuff and just to not look like assholes we have to watch everything everything you know. Just keep up on all of it do you have anything else afterglow. Do you know what the next thing is or do you are you. Have you not found that. Are you know really. I mean I have this other movie. That we've I've just sort of written with Bain us or next project that we're GONNA be taking out in pitching and Hopefully we'll be able to shoot that later this year and I'm going to be directing again on the season of glow excited about that and I do have well. I'm about took you know what I can talk about this. Because they're announcing it tomorrow is about to shoot this movie. Happiest season with Kristen Stewart and Mackenzie Davis and an amazing using cast of like Mary Steenburgen. Audrey Aubrey Plaza And it's it's it's it's a holiday family comedy. It's great that centers around a gay couple which is like just great. You know. It's like a studio comedy. That's fantastic fun movie. I'm really excited. We're living the dream. It's the the best the only funny thing about working on happiest season is. I'm shooting it before we started shooting season three of glow. But because I'm shooting it right up until we start shooting glow they've permed my hair and anyone so anyone who's seen legally blonde knows that a perm takes a few days to set in. You can't wash your hair for a few days and then so for glow it's always like it's like a five day process between getting the hair permed leading the perm set for a few days washing it giving it another day to settle. Then they cut cut it into like the ruth cut so because I'm going straight from this one production indigo there like will allow you to do this movie. But YOU'RE GONNA have to Perm your hair before shooting that movie so that it's ready to go through your hair this movie. Yes but I haven't avenue. I think out there prior to getting it permed meeting with the hair and makeup department and they were like great. We're going to do to sell your super straight. I was like I will have a perm. They should let you know and the woman's look on her face the hairdresser just why. I just think it's coming back story. So that's sort of the funniest but you can't blow it out in the street. I mean it's just who who knows what will happen to the hair. But I'm very excited to this movie. Clear Duval's directing being in and I think it'll be out for the holidays in twenty twenty so that's a pretty quick turnaround. It is but I feel like that's the plan that's great and it's super for fun. I've been really watching all these holiday movies to get in the mood and also it just was. The holidays. Made a lot of sense to watch my. I watched a few of them. My Wife Life would have these these showings of holiday movies man and they were they were really looking for they. Were looking for like the ones where you could still see the stickers on the bottom of the shoes and the wardrobe or in one scene. Someone's helping someone zip up address and then in the river shot. There's no zipper on those movies. Are these just like holiday. Movies on different streaming services are like the generic generic ones Henry watching like the classic holiday movies and by Classic. I mean home home alone. Okay class You're talking about real studio movies. There's a holiday. Sure I consider classic diehard which is a Christmas movie if anyone re-watch diehard but I do agree that it is a Christmas movie Christmas party at home for the holidays with Holly Hunter Center and Robert Downey junior which is a real great movie strange. Yeah no they watched the they basically did like mystery science theater but with with holiday. That sounds really fun. Yeah I mean I did watch some of those. I have friends that are in them. Poured it I we are. We supported to sort of like Hardy Eddie. Movies and horror are in the same sort of boat where people go. Hey you can make these real cheap and if it could be a runaway hit with right you're gonna be an audience because there's always going to be holiday exactly these. These genres are sort of like the penny slots or they're like you could hit it for like like one hundred thousand dollars with just a penny. It's like people will be in the mood. Watch holiday movies once a year but you are making a re- An art studio. Yes with with very talented actors. Yes at the school district thing. Yes so we will watch your movie on ironically thank you I. I'm assuming hoping there will not be those kinds of no. No no no no no no no no no I. I am so forgiving forgiving when it comes to making stuff because I feel like it's hard to get things made save anything that's made is fucking miracle definitely definitely lately especially after watching. My husband's like getting our movies made. We had such empathy for every production. Going forward where you're just like. Congrats congrats on doing the hard thing. It's a Lotta work. I haven't fucking made a movie of work. It is now you we know this for a fact for real well. I hope that you continue to do all the things that you WANNA do it. It's always been so so cool to me and you've done you've done deal. I have this screen shot from when you did something on web soup it was calm all like cute Cutie Cutie. Chew or something where you were remember this like this animated like Cutie Cutie choo-choo thing and then I think it was just showing these rayleigh like disturbing videos or something and so I I do remember this i. I can't remember what they were. All they were like like videos of people like popping quadruples. The setup was like it's the Cutie Cutie Yup yeah by the way it's great last question did you. Did you buy the The zule shirt did you. You said you had like the Zule hair where I did have the hair. I didn't get Zule shirt. What do you mean Nazrul the note? I know who you mean you do means who. WHO's the hair you had the hair? There was some pictures that you posted on Instagram of Izo Izo and I emailed you me the link to the shirt this shirt because I literally. We just bought this shirt that says aim for the flattop. I didn't buy the shirt. I really wish we had started with this so I know how disappointed genuinely took me that long to remember what you were talking about like. Oh my God I sent this thing was that and then bureau like. I don't even remember what you're tearing around was dumb. I didn't waste another thought on it. You're just only came to confirm. Yeah we've had some So you know Teresa rivers who was are the head of our department madman us the head of our hair department Anglo and she's designed what Zoya the destroy wrestling characters hair looks like but we did a season where sure there was overlap with another job so we had like someone else coming in and pitch hitting styling the hair and also I have had varying hair lengths and then it get sperm like I've come in with its shorter in this so like the look the the way. The soil look comes out is always slightly different than some days where it's like kind of pointy floppy happy like flopping over like a tidal wave and then there's some days where it just looks so much like the end of ghostbusters and and I love that movie so much. We're actually in the middle of watching it now because I just listened to the audio book wild and crazy guys about like about all all those. SNL guys from the seventies like the original guys and sort of leans on Eddie Murphy to write it really does. It's basically Chevy Eddie Murphy. Bill Murray Dan Aykroyd you get like some sprinklings of Rick Moranis and John Candy and stuff like that but it's sort of just about like how they it's very remain masculine book. I really enjoyed listening to. It was definitely about like how they owns feature films in the eighties major motion picture in the eighties and like how they were the kings right but you know so. There's a lot of good stories about ghostbusters. And things like that. which has always been one of my favorite movies? I don't know if you've seen it. But there's a documentary. There's Docu series on Netflix. It's called the movies that made us have seen it. The ghostbusters watched goes. Let's run and the home alone. One how could you like I. I think I may have teared up a little bit. When Harold Ramos's daughter was saying that he and build didn't talk after groundhog day much for whatever reason that no one knows and and then he shows up when herald is sitting they spend all these lives and the police? We ask the police ravens living because he's the over there. Yeah we'll drive you yes. It was very touching and actually very interesting to watch that in the midst of listening to the audio book because they do go into depth. A little more about kind of what went on in groundhog day which we also just reached a couple nights ago. We're really hit up. I don't know what he's going through because I heard that he doesn't it it. It's not it's not his favorite thing to talk about bill. Murray days nonsmoker. Thing to talk about like he wouldn't WanNa talk about it But this book kind of explain some of the backstory on it it does sort of and just sorta delves into people's behaviors sand. Isn't that right. It's not my place no spoilers I'll I'll pull spat listen to myself. Yes listen to it myself. I'm holiday those still still a great movie and Mike God all time Sigourney. Weaver is my hair idol. She ends my also like just a regular idol Tom. She's just phenomenal everything in everything she. Does it take in working girl where she gets caught at the end for like scheming. And then you just like get your bony ass or something. and She just has this. I simply just don't appreciate the way you're speaking. It's such an amazing use language like that. It's it's so layered because it's like she's caught but she still is a prideful character. It's and and she still yeah. She's amazing watching because in the book they talk about how Bill Murray was. I mean it sounds like this is how it works on. Every one of his movies is basically arriving day day. One of productions are gonNA show up one. Sure if he's even doing on the first day of filming he does arrive and everyone's relieved and then he throws the script out out which is read in the car and then improvises all his scenes. And you're like it's been working great for him. It's kind of work and you re watch. I like this. I seen where he goes to Dana. Barrett's apartment and ghostbusters. And he's like. There's this is all him. improvising playing the keys on the piano and going they hate them and then you watch her in the scene and she's so great to like I just feel like I have even more respect. Also knowing that she had no idea what Bill Murray was going to role play sting and character Alexa. Just she's so good. Yeah that movie The craziest thing to me start to finish ten months. That fucking movie. That is the craziest thing when they were pointing out in the documentary about like the visual effects. They're they're like. Don't hold your belong on that shot. And then they hold onto your like God everyone just this was like Yep put it out great prints. It's kind of amazing. It really is amazing anytime you want to listen anything anything anything. You Need Allison Brie anything. You need it all very good but anything if you need me to bring bring you a couple of sugar or something bigger than I was like. It's so dated. Don't say a cup of sugar. I didn't know what else to mind. Melding if you need a couple of Internet. I don't know what I want. You order things on Amazon just to buffer like if I want it but if it's not good then you have to keep it. That's the deal all task rabbit. Thank you so much. And then horse killers people by the available now. People should just go see it on Netflix. Yeah Yeah Anglo which is also and glow which is always on net net flix season. Four will be out later. Okay great the NDO I._D.. Ten gaining complete an joy.

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Round 32 - Muhammad Ali's Deer Lake Training Camp Special

TKO with Carl Frampton

20:09 min | 1 year ago

Round 32 - Muhammad Ali's Deer Lake Training Camp Special

"Thing I thought we would be on this day like Mamat all these training camp throughout most of the nineteen seventies now for the hall fans of the sport that the man needs no explanation joke presents Tko together with thirty to read welcome to Tko on Joe together with thirty two red's coming to form a place might even more special for thank you very much the jets we'll see you next week you've been listening to T._K._o.. On Joe together with Itchy red in an era where the civil rights movement was in full swing America was deeply segregated black men women were forced into certain ways of behavior of a muscular punch Beth incredibly speedy those were boxers used to living those barring boxers all used to live in those matters anyone has ever been in that era it was near where he lost friends campaigning in the civil rights movement from Martin Luther King Sixty-nine Malcolm X. a few years earlier he you're in being outspoken was sincerely frowned upon Muhammad Ali Cassius clay as he was in the early sixties was about as outspoken those was brilliant inside the ring he was really out and he was exiled as a result of fighting four is people in one thousand nine hundred he brought him into fight George Foreman is hard hitter you know really got on him and he was going the next day he was out he was trying to make a name for himself life presents in terms of the public as and everything that he stood for was becoming a little too much and he wanted to get away somewhere that was a little more peaceful and that Brings Kentucky who's a standard amateur in the nineteen fifties culminated his amateur career with a gold medal at the Rome Olympics in ninety sixty light heavyweight turned professional harry hundreds here law in the early seventies was yeah I was here I guess one marry homes put put all the on the on the canvas really and this is where he based himself for much of the seventeenth which was kind of the renaissance of his career the second part of his career where quality for Joe Frazier three times he's got two comeback fights and then of course Joe Frazier in that unbelievable fight of the century lost that contest and felt that perhaps the media spotlight and the this is the legend of cash claim the most beautiful fighter in the world today he tops a great deal in brags then Dean uh-huh Larry Holmes George Foreman and it was really the that define his legacy so today we're going to be walking around this incredible place to talk namath fight a war on behalf of a country that he felt wasn't fighting for his rights as a black man in the country at the time so he he refuses that forward for the draft even as he called it it was a place that he built from scratch number of low cabins it took a couple of days and puts up a gym living quarters cooks I was around it because in sixty six when Ernie Terrell came here to fight and I was probably sixty six I was ten years old and I'm remember the picture itself say a thousand words I hate to be cliche but it's all about the pictures as you can see here how he's here with Pennsylvania countryside a couple of hours drive from anywhere and this is like all fighters was sentenced to prison time we stripped of his belts I'm since she was sold for about three years and was in the Wilderness and sixty seven and seventy upon which around this this town in this constituency when the news that he was going to south campus very well accepted you know what I mean it was you know after the seven the WBZ WBZ titles he held after being sung listening sixty four restricted him when he refused to enter into the draft Goto when he returned now famously been based out of the Fifth Street Gym in Miami under the Tutelage Angelo Dundee and it was then that he decided to make a few bearing there was anything here I tell people I tell young students when they come here I tell the teachers I tell everyone in order to be Flynn teaching discipline but this is the started this is the start of the the camp itself and it was just Kinda Yeah Oh yes it is right after after the a the gold medal was the light heavyweight champ and gold medal he tortured them because Ernie Terrell wouldn't call him by Mohammed Ali Cassius clay you know what's what's my name what's my name of course he defeated them but he could very good at something you gotta practice I always look at this it has a great many you know you never see who amount nearly around it was for him it was as we walk inside the gym here you're going to see some fantastic pictures the school bus and seeing this guy jogging school but six six you know even like thinking a big guy you know of course holly fought him he torn him he didn't put him down I to know them I knew them I'm very very well David Kraus in San Mateo with their expertise net memory This is like this is take Scott for in the Olympics but they made into heavy because he had the frame Archie Moore had him doing everything but in the ring so allie says at the time cash yeah so that yeah because some of the spas some old footage of the spas hair in the cabin and it was hard core sparring no holding back it was wall oh no well he would bring and was was on that plaque outside he took a lot of the photos of Ali Evers career Yes yes yes over here is now basically started would get into place snuck around to back door here this back door back here this was came out father and it was a it was a boxer Sir something to see and the heavyweight championship is destiny man he was a new how he knew how to get there was opponents racist I'm not training I'm boxing Oh yes you are what do you mean and he said I'm not in the rim up moving around he said no teaching you disagree all he was sitting in a corner of that ring and people here and he was sitting down talking very softly he used to do that to command respect if people were lesson yeah so so you grew up I grew up just up the street with this right yeah how much does it kind of a buzz with that wire win the success that they have you just say underlies underline was darling wearing with the champ listen a two they just went toe to toe can you remember hearing it and watching you thinking this is joust vicious Oh oh yeah I mean when you heard that hit that leather up here it was before the Frazier Fund and we came up with people all around the gym employees with the ropes size of the rain looseness of the rose he can he can lean and get back and all that stuff was negotiated before these flights what they would agree me back and they're holding them back and it was all really political and I'm sitting here and goodness he's you know he's he's making fun of you know here's the salt mine where she more they send them out there to train when when I I not as a professionals young Oh my God yes like any sixties thanks had been Kalo somewhere with dash route bike fans are running with cash can get away from these these punches tire the guy out you know sparring these days lobbyist technical working guys will have a certain amount of respect but from the Clintons I've seen those how to promote the amazing thing now is when you think how secretive sparring sessions are amongst the main protagonist in the sport as a member of the public you couldn't is you know how many people when you when you would come up here how many people would would be up pay sometimes there wouldn't be anybody up here we will come up at nighttime and he yeah Oh yeah this is it seems so I think the rope a dope we didn't know it was a rope adult but I remember watchmen Canal Alvarez Spa didn't go watch Anthony Joshua SPA but you in those days he would open invite them to the public's come and sit in is it during the sixties and civil rights and all to me it was you know how you know this is a matter of white or black it was the guy came to our area and actually he's accessibility at the same time almost unrivalled given how famous he was did you get that sense when you're around him he was an accessible man that you could just be yeah we know what was called out but after this all happening that's what they were doing up there davor playing with the ropes making it said he could lean back because he was so fast he can lean back and that lower door down here came swinging open and out came a gorilla and he's jumping around and all jumped up and it's quiet talk and say there's Joe Jarreau rub down room at all so we snuck into door and Houdini brow is back here he went he went like come on in well he opened the door up bowl it's like how can they not go down you know we're going with you know absorbing at that shockers over getting away from it you're still getting hit I don't care what is on cows and saying this is where he lives he says I'm so fast when I turn the lights up embiid before it gets dark but if you signed to fight him increase insurance we move on here the picture of Elvis Presley in something got my license and the sixteen and built up here seventy one and drive up I bring my buddies piano it was a neat time you know did you understand like as a kid you too and I remember the report saying so you at the age of what new about the rope a bill before it was even a thing or open up I said Yeah Yeah I mean it's we took tours and we went down and it was bunk house one day we were here and he was given tours and we just kind of follow along and I remember him going and it was understand the historical relevance and what you're what you're going through because especially it was relatively normal for you but did you understand how special it was some like you know but capture he would doodle after after his workout that day is the is this the original Oh yeah more so later in life as we we really live the party kind of took for granted here remember an interview he did with I think many very don't go near that kitchen chase right out I I was in here in here is the rub down room come on back up over the corner here on watch real to real films of Jack Johnson which you got is really all these fights and then he'd send somebody out he so we get some ice cream names of people yes muhammed's cheerleaders you have is a list of women they're quite the Frolov hungry mouths every day three meals a differing probably and you probably got some extras sandwich or yeah all he loves his chocolate cake had all of his meals rules of my kitchen spelled K. White C. c. h. e. that's you know she got her point across four thirty bell rings any joints up there and he said every one of those fighters up there have to be dressed in Asia champion he says and and that's that whole thing of the whole you've seen that you know and I'm gonNA find him now stake in chocolate cake this can't this can't gotta right if he hits you your sleep for the night you don't seem like Asadabad they put all of his robes in there and all of the towels rub down he'd sit here and hold court there are some writings I don't know if he eh I've heard I heard him actually say that here as you say he said it's those people here kids fights great he's got speed and endurance in the do the cooking for the champ and we'll go over to the kitchen we she she was her kitchen they bring ice cream back for the foods and stuff you know but just I guess it was just a different time you know what I mean and when he was endear like a road my bike there caught your eye on like catches everybody's eye Kereta was a this was the As far as you get right welcome to the Allie Calvin this is so cool so so cool as you can see we've tried to replicate quite icon part of you will preserve the history of its we'll taking into the kitchen where the champ go at five. Am and he they ring the bell pull it will it again alley lived when he they built this special cabin form he wanted to live like his ancestors there was no running water all these rocks you see them it was cashes clay senior that painted them and they all have a in there the heat was supplied by coal burner and you'll see that when we're going in there and no electricity you live by lamp so come on in a significance to Muhammad Ali why he was so successful who he admired he wanted to To make sure that maybe it was David Frost. CBS Fan by in the ring and did the interview that may have been frazier flies tremendous seeing that interview and actually as soon as I walked in here yeah this is this is what it looks felt like they had an audience some kind of stores and stuff sitting around here I think that was the thing about him he's so famous you guys were no you've been very big boxing as the average boxing fan may not know it they they tried to bring Larry Holmes out of retirement he was four long way you're you're all friends and that's what separates every sports is so it's a great Powell as a sports writer yeah yeah this is the original so there's like a height chart he might be a mess they became friends even with Joe Frazier if he joe made a trip up here so it's you know sports is a little different than people understand other equalizer and and you're right it's it's the equalizer and you see all these rocks and and they have not been touched since Bali's dad painted them back in the this all started in one thousand nine hundred seventy one It was a it was a dream I wrote sports for forty two years the sports writer I always call it I realized I should say that sports is the is the bridge that brings everybody together aw cold is ice on a daily today and I was really good this is where you know the the spewing of the hatred today but it's sports you if you feel you don't care for that guy you really hate him we'll tell you who's here we leave that urban legend okay I always liked to believe bay was let go is on Reddit they brought her. It's the pumping it if you prompted you can pump it we'll let you puppet the kids have a great time with them we bring the workout there you go that those names are also preserved Rocky Marciano the only hand of heavyweight champion people don't know that forty-nine eh I am the man this is about the next champ of the world that isn't a doubt this I predict and I know the score gain it's the best of our ability great and as you loud on the floor while around counts ten you pray that you have to fight meal nine hate and hate him as a very strong more when you beat the opponent or the opponent beat you you gain a tremendous amount of respect I respect respect goes a long line encaptures to come back and she just be here and just try and get a sense of what it might have been like in a golden era is very hard to get sense of what it was like Eh that was the end of his ambition there's Angelo Dundee East trainer rock dedicated to him Archie aw you have to pull it order just a but the talked about drinking the world war there you go China replicate something winning coming in here right away was this a is this a sign ago and now it looks like it does an early here and be around some of these times I've read about and seen over here it's always a pleasure is thank you very much for your va time because he's I'll be champ of the world in sixty four he loved it here he just asked this is where all you love you love this has been eh and it's interesting because I would vacation go somewhere and my actual mailing addresses Orangeburg but people would say where you're from I'd say dear late and I would do individually of all he how he wanted to make this thing work you know I've been on borough council council president since eighty into like and he put our brindell borough and in that for the casual fans of the sport the same applies he's the most famous sportsman of all time that line the most famous heavyweight boxer time he was born in Louisville you can look back and you can watch videos you can repapered school but you can never truly know what it was like

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Calvin BakerI'm An Essayist

Toure Show

08:47 min | 2 months ago

Calvin BakerI'm An Essayist

"Hi, this is Cara Swisher and I wanNA, talk to you about my new podcast for the new. York Times called sway if you WANNA. Know what people who hold power in our world are really all about need to hear how they answer the tough questions and that is my specialty, and although it might get messy as it always does it's also going to be really fun. You can get swayed wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes are available Mondays and Thursdays. Mamane Calvin, Baker's new book. A more perfect reunion has calvin talking about what's going on in America especially. What's going on with Colin Kaepernick a very important part of modern America. Talk A lot about Colin. Kaepernick who of course has become far more than an athlete and more than any athlete of his generation has become super politicizing talk about how sports is a narrative of nationhood and definitely think that you could write eight the story of modern America on his last Assi What What do you? What do you? What are you? What are you thinking about? Colin Kaepernick. I think he's great. I think the truth almost didn't come to light. They. They suppress it for so long and so long and so long I think that it is. Emblematic of what's going on the country as a whole where you have this man and expressing is. Liberal belief. and. Becomes a lightly We tell ourselves we're in the twenty th century were everything is so diverse, and then you see what a lightning rod that becomes for. White. Anger. Someone expressing pride who is but also like. You can't kill black. That's radical athlete baboots how that's That's where we really are that. You can't say. Retaliates tally is wrong. Those are the hard enforces of racism, which I which I can chew colonialism in larger forces and patterns. How advanced how might and can the society be if you if it's if it's controversial as it was in that moment? Thankfully it's I think. As this moves forward. He's becoming raise established himself as one of a line of. Athletic spokespersons yet if you go back on tradition begins. Muhammad Ali's or the world and the Jim Brown's the world who's as like Oh as black versus one of the few people who is allowed any sort of visible Jackie Robinson in different. S. And that's end. And then he became corporate. Right. But the happiest people's right night. I talked about Jim Brown on the NFL who made the decision to leave NFL. After A manhood battle with art modell whose the owner Cleveland browns and direct line and one of the things on everything. We think we're saying there's historical precedent for it and the function and the horses ourselves. Insane. And so right. You look at that the and you look at what's happening feeling I'm not the first person. Say This I long chop wanted to contextualized story. And also like yeah. Camp is doing civil rights work. In the resistance that he faces shows you how much of this country is still against the most basic expression of civil rights what do you? What do you make of? The NFL along with the NBA? WNBA. Others. The institutions of sport have seemed to have come around to say you know we're going to embrace black lives matter. We're going to plastered all over the field or the court wear whatever you want. Neil. However, you want like you know we're fully supportive of the movement and yet gaps still doesn't have a job. So he still sacrificed his dream. Surely, it was his childhood dream that he achieved And then had that taken away chose to go after something bigger, and now that the the sports world, the NFL in particular has come around to his side of things. He is still left out which for so many of us for you to. ADDS a hypocritical sheen to all of it. I mean, I don't know I can't fully embrace what the NFL is doing until he is welcome back into the fold in a serious way. I mean, one of the. made the final cut I. Don't remember off the top of my head but wasn't Michael Vick can chilidog and still have A. Job in Colin Kaepernick, can't say. Shoot people. And not have a job. That's what I think. First of all the NFL. Lost me just I mean. There are a lot like their lot of sports. I. Love. I. Love Sports is you know and but there's always another sport and league baseball loss during steroids. Haven't been back. Haven't really looked back. I might watch catch on the corner of my eye, the barbershop every once in a while. The NFL. Because they are so far on what you say what you think the man like Avenue you know Muhammad, Ali's spent. Eighteen months in jail for Kosovo Vietnam War. I don't remember how much. Much of the baby actually did. Athletic careers. sports and they end when you're still a young individual with a lot of life ahead and as you read it as Jim Brown realize can't stop. By many miles at. And right the dream of NFL would it looks like it might be over I hope that it's eventually someone will give him a shot maybe but. And will air. We'll find the next stream. 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