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Volkswagen Diesel Scandal - Crash | 3

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Volkswagen Diesel Scandal - Crash | 3

"The in September Twenty First Two Thousand Fifteen Washington D. C. Josh earnest harasser. The West Wing of the White House floor boards creaking ethers polished wingtips Ernest as the White House press secretary and he's speeding towards the pressroom. Now running a little late this less than a minute. Before today's press briefing assent to begin again ernest picks up the pace but he knows there's a good chance he's behind schedule. He was double checking all his facts. Facts he has to be sensitive about because every day he. He delivers the news to a room full of journalists. There's a military action abroad. Tragic violence at home the latest corruption on Wall Street. But today he's trying to be extra careful with a scandal that's unfolding involving Volkswagen and its diesel engines. Ernest is fixated on the story. Maybe he thinks because the company so blatantly endangered endangered the public's health or maybe it's because Volkswagen went to such incredible lengths to lie. Got Away with it for so long either way. The whole world is watching an earnest. Ernest must accurately convey president. Obama's thoughts on the matter reaches the press room office spots as assistant Sorry I'm late. They're all in there waiting for you. Ernest nods he smooths his dark. Blue suit takes a moment to compose himself inside. Reporters fill fill all fifty seats as ernest. Nears the podium. There Chatter quiets down. He steps in front of the Blue Curtain. Backdrop beside an American flag begins taking questions importers ask about the embargo on Cuba visit from the pope military relations with Iran then ernest points to another reporter. I want to briefly ask about the Volkswagen. Emissions scandal has the president briefed on. This is the way has watching. What's earnest pauses gathers his thoughts? There's a lot he wants to say. The federal government has launched into action and Volkswagen will soon face enormous consequences quences. Ernest knows right now. He has to weigh his words very carefully. You can't fully reveal how the administration is going to respond. Well this is obviously a an enforcement action action in an investigation that the EPA is responsible for carrying out. Are they take the responsibilities that they have to enforce the clean air act very seriously. Ernest takes a moment. Almond makes a decision. It's time to warn volts way even if the threat is subtle at. I think it's fair to say that we're quite concerned by some of the reports that we've we've seen About the conduct of this particular company. This is why I haven't spoken to them about it but I'm confident that he is well awareness earnest wishes. He could say more but for now he's gotten the point across. Volkswagen is in trouble and the administration is not looking being away as ernest continues fielding questions wonders just how many of his friends and colleagues own diesel car with Voltairian emblem. All of them are victims of a serious crime and they deserve justice he thinks and he hopes they get it but ernest has no illusions. That it'll be easy. Volkswagen is a powerful company backed by countless lawyers. Here's a deep well of money if the. US government wants to hold. The automaker accountable will have to put up a fight. American scandal is sponsored by signature hardware. My father was a home builder. One of my first jobs out of college was at a plumbing supply store. I've done more than my share of remodeling to all of. This has led me to truly appreciate well-crafted hardware and home furnishings. Items with heft impeccably engineered operation and fine flawless finishes finishes signature hardware appreciates these qualities to they have over twenty years of supplying vanities sinks tubs and hardware to customers head to signature hardware dot COM com slash American scandal. 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Owners of the vehicles demanded immediate compensation and American government officials began building legal cases against the carmaker inside Volkswagen. A feeling of panic emerged as executive started wondering who among them would be forced to take the fall. This is episode three crash. It's September twenty second two thousand fifteen volts for Germany Volkswagen. CEO Martine Vinter corn. Stand in the lobby of Volkswagen's headquarters gazing across the building. Most as this space is alive with energy executives and employees hustling about visitors gazing open mouth at the vintage cars on display classic. Volkswagens as well as porsches Audis volkswagens these brands to for eight years venture corn was in charge of at all but on this morning the lobby army is a sombre as a graveyard venture. Corn can't remember the last time it was disquiet. He makes his way to the elevator. His body hurts and his headaches. He presses is the button for his office on the top floor. After the war the soaring brick tower stood for German progress in resurrection. Volkswagen was the pride of Germany now. Seemingly seemingly overnight it became a national disgrace as the elevator rises venture. Corn can't help thinking that he's entering a burning building. The Americans have filed hundreds of civil lawsuits against Volkswagen. His lawyer say criminal charges against the company and its CEO are inevitable and suddenly. It's clear to winterkorn that. He can only only fight so hard. There's only one way he can put out the fire. Pincher corn reaches. His office in quietly closes the door behind him. He looks across his decorated decorated walls. They're plaques and framed pictures of himself shaking hands with world leaders he sinks down into his chair opens a desk drawer pulls out a sheet. The paper he selects one of his finest pens. There's no point in putting it off any longer so fincher corn begins to right. I'm shocked by the events of the pass you days. He writes above all. I am stunned. That misconduct on such a scale was possible in the Volkswagen Group as CEO accept responsibility for the irregularities Guiterrez. They've been found in diesel engines. I have therefore requested the Supervisory Board to agree on terminating my function CEO. The Volkswagen Group Vinci sakorn pauses. He could leave it at that many. CEO's would but he can't help himself he dashes off the next several lines with a rush of adrenaline. I'm I'm doing this in the interests of the company. Even though I am not aware of any wrongdoing on my part venture corn signs name and drops the pen. He's given the world what it wants. Want escape go but not entirely. Because he's also proclaimed his innocence. Two days later taste Mueller strides down a hallway. Volkswagen headquarters today news reporters outside the to stop outside. Martin into corns old office. removers busy at work swapping out venture Korngold desk for one more suitable to Mueller's tastes Mueller waves to them cheerfully. He tells the reporter that he's thrilled to finally update the decor around here. It's just the first of many changes. Mueller would bring to Volkswagen as its new. CEO Mueller is sixty two with a lean build and silvery white sideburns sideburns that framer ready smile in many ways. He's the ideal successor to venture. Corn Mueller has proven himself as a top Volkswagen executive Iran pours for five years ears and he ran it well. He's also the kind of media-friendly. CEO that Volkswagen needs during these trying times venture corn appeared cold and inaccessible. But Mueller comes off as warm and engaged is appointment as a signal to the world. Volkswagen is serious about changing. Its ruthless company culture. The same culture that led to the diesel scandal Mueller leads reporter over to a large window overlooking canal. This Miller thinks is a nice picturesque location. A good place to discuss Volkswagen's volkswagens future in recent pass. Mueller shakes his head and tells the report that what occurred with the diesels was shameful. Nothing like it will ever happen again. Venture corn had no choice. But to step down Mueller ads. But in his opinion it's wrong to condemn the man. The reporter cuts him off asking. How exactly is it wrong? The defeat devices were engineered under Vinter Corns Watch and they allowed Volkswagen's diesels to emit harmful air pollution. Mueller smile falters. Just a bit as he tells the journalists that he's known venture corn for twenty years. There's no way that Vinci corn had anything to do with the defeat device. In fact Mueller has ordered an internal investigation that certain certain to unmask the true culprits. He concludes the interview with a rhetorical question. Do you really think a chief executive had time to work on engine software in its December. Two Thousand fifteen involves for Germany and matteis Mueller's approaching the outweigh uni. The building is an enormous structure steel glass and stone and Serbs as a research center for Volkswagen. But today it's also going to serve as a venue for a major announcement Mueller heads towards the building sees. The event already has a crowd. Journalists are filing in packing the building Mueller reaches the rear entrance and an eight leads down annalong hallway at the far end is Hans t to push the bespectacled chairman of the Volkswagen Supervisory Board. Mueller sees that poachers holding several documents bound with paperclips there the results. False wagons internal investigations about the diesel scandal. Today Mueller will sum up the investigation for the crowd and he knows he won't have have any trouble when he enters the main auditorium. Mueller can't help oposite shot. It must be three hundred. Journalists succeeded in black folding chairs their voices echo and amplifying the cavernous space and suddenly Mueller finds himself surrounded by a wall of cameras. He blinks rapidly sadly hit with a barrage of flashes. He moves past the cameras and heads to large white desk marked Volkswagen here that he informed sit down. In front of the microphones phones. After opening remarks Miller begins his presentation. Good morning we believe. We have made significant progress in recent weeks. I want to stress trust the seriousness of our internal investigation. We have relied upon four hundred fifty expert. We've collected more than one hundred terabytes of data. I understand that you are all eager to know how something like this could have occurred. Our investigation is ongoing. We've come to some important conclusions. Journalists waves and impatient hand and shouts what conclusions. If I may proceed. I'll tell you. The wrongdoing was the result of weakness in some processes and a mindset in some areas of the company a tolerated breaches of rules. What do you intend to do next? Naturally we will improve our methods of checking and authorizing software for use in our vehicles. Can you be more specific formula with all due respect. We're not here for Technical Trivia for here for names who involves by is guilty. Mueller allows himself a slight shrunk. The fraud was engineered by the misconduct and shortcomings of individual employees. Nine of them have been suspended. I will not be disclosing their names. At the time Mueller can feel the disappointment ripple through the crowd but he has said all. He's willing to say today already. Volkswagen stock price has nosedived. It's legal teams could be tied up for years clearly. These are dangerous times for his company and he must tread carefully. Reporters all began to shout at once. A Mueller feels like he is standing alone at the bottom of a very deep. He Paul he knows he must start digging his way out as fast as he can't if he's GonNa Save the company It's December two thousand fifteen at the Washington. DC headquarters of the US Department of Justice. Windsor is settling over the Capitol and John Cruden is thankful to be indoors wars in a warm conference room. Cruden is an assistant attorney. General at the Department of Justice he holds the position for the departments environment and Natural Resources Division which means recently. He's had his hands full with all things Volkswagen right now in this conference room. He's focused and alert despite having been here for hours without a break. AAC CRUDEN is a West Point graduate in a veteran. He's learned that sometimes slowing down is not an option. That's especially true with case like Volkswagen. The way the evidence is is piling up this case may prove to be one of the most significant of his career. He knows that he and the other lawyers on his team in the midst of a serious undertaking. They're crafting during the DOJ civil suit against Volkswagen. And if they're going to beat the automaker in court I must do their job. flawlessly cruden still gets angry just thinking about the scale of the deception. Volkswagen sold some six hundred thousand of their diesel cars to unwitting Americans. GRUDEN reminds team that for violating the Clean Air Act. The company needs is to pay and needs pl lot. His team is mostly united but there is one lawyer who looks up from his paperwork with a sideways glance declaring that he thinks they're overreacting acting lawyer points to a highlighted section explaining that the harder they push Volkswagen harder. The company will try to escape. Its full responsibility. Volkswagen he says has enough money and power to pull off a series injustice. He seen it many times before and he thinks it's wise to plate safe. This is a high profile case. The Department Department cannot afford to get burned. Cruden shakes his head firmly. There's no way he's taking. The teeth out of this lawsuit explains why Volkswagen acted acted a deeply unethical way and the Department of Justice has an ethical obligation to pursue the company with everything. It's got he sees heads nodding because they know what's coming next. Cruden reminds them in many ways. This is personal for him. He spent his legal career protecting the environment. And he's never seen an automaker trying to pull anything this underhanded justice must be served. He looks directly at the lawyer. Who suggested a software treatment for Volkswagen and asks if he supports the strategy? They're going to take you've all is in the room fall on him as he malls enhancer. Finally the lawyer nods cruden smiles good. Let's go win. This case cruden believes I use. This suit will hold up in court. It could force Volkswagen pay billions. When it's not money he really cares about crudeness hungry for justice? He wants to hold Volkswagen swaggie responsible for the massive made and ultimately that could mean going after the executives presponse will for the diesels game but driven. Thanks that one. Dissenting lawyer is. He's right about one thing. This fight not easy. American scandal is sponsored answered by worthy. It was a very hard decision but one you knew you had to make diamonds are forever. They say but your marriage wasn't that's okay. You're already feeling better though it'll take some time to fully move on but there's still that question what will you do with the ring and seems simple. Get rid of it or keep it. It's not simple if you do decide that now is the time to sell your diamond jewelry. Do the smart way with worthy the last thing you want now to feel shortchanged just visit worthy dot com to schedule a free secure pickup fully insured by Lloyd's of London and tracked by Fedex. 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His jaw is tight hears footsteps and turns around to find a young salesman. Emerging from the office salesman is smiling with that quickly fades when he sees the look on his face. He asked is whether he can help win. It and went barks back answer that yes you can take this car of my hands. The salesman is taken aback winner for an explanation and when it launches into it this is a two thousand fourteen jetta diesel when it bought the car from this dealership and everything was fine until he saw the news. A salesman looks nervously. Win It and runs to grab his manager when it cracks his knuckles paces as the salesman returns from the office after a moment the manager emerges to button his jacket against the wind he greets when it and asked how he could help him win. It answers swiftly. He wants back every dollar he spent on this diesel car. All Twenty Twenty eight thousand of them manager. Frowns and apologizes. This hasn't just been a shock for customers. He assures win it. It's hit dealers to manage your wife says Brown now an office winner depleting look and then a compromise. The dealership can offer win at partial compensation. But it can't fully pay back that's out of the question. He says the dealership we go broke if it bought back every diesel car. It had sold when it unclench is his fist. He knows he's up against a wall so he asks how much the the dealer furrows his brown fourteen thousand five hundred he says when a shoulder slump and suddenly his tone rows pleading. How am I supposed to get back the other fourteen fourteen thousand dollars? I lost on this car. The manager throws his hands up and says he can only offer the same advice. He's given all the others call a lawyer as a class class action lawsuit brewing win. It can try and get a piece of the settlement so he returns to his car in malls it over class action lawsuit. He likes the sound of Volkswagen owes him. He's glad he's not the only one ready to collect. It's January eleventh seventh. Two Thousand Sixteen and Matanzas. Mueller is roaming through the Detroit. Auto show normally. He'd love being in the middle of a car. Show with all the stunning new vehicles and crowds of enthusiasts instead. Mueller is feeling your this is his first trip to the US. Since becoming CEO it should be victory lap. Not An apology tour. He hates it's apologizing but if that's what it takes to regain the American people's trust while that is what he will do at a news conference earlier today. He offered solemn remarks We know we deeply disappointed. Our customers responsible government bodies and the general public here in the US. He said. I apologize for what went wrong at Volkswagen. We we are totally committed to making things right. Mueller wasn't lying. He is committed but he also wishes people would find something new to talk about and now as he roams across the main floor of the auto. Show trying to find a distraction. A young man approaches with a microphone flashes press credentials Mueller Groans. He's been ambushed by journalist. He can't declined interview one thing he's learned when you're CEO Disgrace Company. You make time for everyone. You never miss an opportunity to show the world that you're a good would man. And how very very truly sorry you are with a sigh of resignation Mueller gestures for the first question the reporter notes. The Mueller said. It was a technical problem but that the American people feel this is not a technical problem. It's an ethical problem. That's deep inside the company. How Mueller change that perception in the? US Mueller Dealer winces his apology. Our there today apparently was not good enough. He reiterates that it was a technical problem. The issue was that Volkswagen didn't understand American law. That's not an ethical problem. And he tells a reporter. He can't understand why you'd say that reporter looks incredulous because Volkswagen intentionally lied to the EPA. Mueller can't let this statement go undefended. He leans into the microphone and makes it clear. Volkswagen did not lie reporter. Reiterates is question. How will Volkswagen Change American opinions of the company reporters raising his voice? Now he asks again. What kind of proof does Mueller have that? Volkswagen in is changing Mueller's patience is evaporating and his blood is boiling. This has been enough back and forth he decides so we ended the conversation and says he's working working tirelessly to change Volkswagen. But that takes time around him. Mueller notices people starting to Gawk so he ends the interview and walks away wondering if this job will ever get easier. Maybe talking to the reporter was a bad idea. He thinks Volkswagen is still in a very deep hole and with today's impromptu interview Mueller may have done himself in the company a little deeper later that month. Matteis Mueller's inside his office involve Wolfsburg. He studies Volkswagen's latest financial reports. The numbers are complicated but the overall picture isn't for now Volkswagen will survive. Mueller feels wave of relief but the relief doesn't last long because as mule considers the broader picture a sinking feeling sent threats loom in every direction the. US government is suing. Volkswagen and the company could be on the hook for a vast sum of money. The problems aren't just America. Volkswagen is facing scrutiny from government officials around the world. It's a frightening time for Volkswagen. Mueller knows that to steer the company's trade. You'll need some help. Someone who can change the company's culture someone who can rebuild false wagons public image and help the company avoid collapse thankfully that help is on the way with a new executive at Volkswagen. The Mueller jumps to his feet free standing in the doorway Christine hohmann-dennhart home on Dan. Heart is is in her mid sixties. She is coal black hair. This carefully arranged everything about her. Seems calm collected unshakable Christine. How fortunate we Orna Have you precarious times Mula Mueller nod solemn offers her a seat I won't sugarcoat the truth? We need your help your expertise as we him Navigate this difficult terrain course. I'll do what I can but I'll repeat what I said over the phone. This is not going to be easy and we're not going to change this company overnight. I understand I hope you do. Volkswagen hasn't faced an image crisis. Like this since the war Mueller. Stiffens the mention of World War Two even decades later is a sore subject Volkswagen's wartime histories. Hardly a secret but Mueller avoids any reminder of it's troubling past that was Adolf Hitler who pushed Germany's Bild the car for the masses. It was to be a people's car whereas folks bagging yes. Yes but Hitler was defeated and Volkswagen remained. Workers in this very building helped heal the economy. We Save Germany. Your workers are not the ones who saved. Germany Mueller frowns. He's not used used to being challenged a really think back to twenty years after the war end with what the American hippies called the beetle the bug of course sales were tremendous and that I believe Davis how put behind us this nasty diesel business. We need great sales. You missing the point Matteis. It's not just great sales. The bug was lovable. Innocuous us it said to the world. Germans scary Volkswagen Save Germany because a change the world's perception of our country. Now we must do for Volkswagen Volkswagen in for Germany. I understand shift our image. It's exactly what I want to. That's why I hired you. Because Mueller stops himself he he realizes he almost made a mistake hohmann-dennhart response with a knowing smile. You hired me. Because I'm a former justice on the highest court of this country and because I'll be the first woman on Your Management Board. It only took the company two years. Yes now this helps the company's yes that that is part of it but most most important. We're desperate I'm desperate. I want you to do whatever you need to help. Change the culture here at Volkswagen take whatever steps must be taken to restore the reputation of this company. Can you do that. hohmann-dennhart Leans back mulling the task at hand. It won't be easy. Mr Mueller aggressive measures will need to be taken. There's no guarantee of success. All I ask is for you to give me the space to do my best. You will have I promise you. WE'LL SEE MR soon. We'll see their smiles. But inside he feels a not forming the pit of his stomach. He doesn't know that he'll be able to keep the promise. He just made changing changing false vikings path from within maybe impossible as Mueller ways. This mammoth task catch. His hormone dine hearts icy blue gays wonders if she already knows the obstacles that lie at American scandal is sponsored by policy genius. Yes if you're like me you've been working awhile now. You found a spouse. Maybe had a child bought a house. There are people in your life that you love so you save a bit plan ahead ahead try and make their life comfortable and secure which is why you also need life insurance. You need it. They need it and it's much easier to get these days policy. Genius Genius has reimagined the entire process to get you the right coverage at the best price fast in mere minutes policy jeans compares quotes from top insurers to find your best price is you could save fifteen hundred or more year. 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One lawyer barrels down the steps knocking into Giuffra Fra. The lawyer shoots him at watch where you're going look and hurries on Jeffer- smiles to himself. He's well aware that with his mop of hair modest suit New York accent and people tend to assume he's a cabdriver. They rarely guessed the truth. Giuffra is a highly regarded litigator a former clerk for the US Supreme Court Giuffra for enters a monumental court building is the epicenter of Justice in Northern California hundreds of class action lawyers each representing a group of Volkswagen dealers and owners have have come here with a single goal to gain a spot on the plaintiffs steering committee. Only those on. The committee will travel to Washington to guide negotiations between Volkswagen owners in the German automaker to shape a possible settlement Volkswagen's facing a large number of civil suits brought by those who bought and sold. The cars differ sympathizes sympathizes with their anger. He respects their desire for a settlement but differ is an attorney for Volkswagen. And it's his job to protect the automaker from going bankrupt at the same time he needs to negotiate a settlement that leaves drivers feeling respected and well compensated. Jennifer thinks there is a way for everyone to get what they want here with a lot of that it depends on a single person. Involved in the case U S District Judge Charles R Bryer Jiffy passes through security and slips quietly lightly into the back of the courtroom where the gray haired Judge Pryor listens patiently as a lawyer makes her case for a spot on the steering committee. Her allotted two minutes are up quickly shortly after Briar declares that the lawyer can join the committee as its twenty second and final member. The committee is complete. Their remaining applicants can go home disappointed. Attorney's head for the exits quietly grumbling. They've missed out on negotiating. What is sure to be a historic settlement schiffer remains though to hear briars instructions to the Committee Committee? The judge explains that he selected the grew quickly and he expects them to move quickly to arrive at a settlement with Volkswagen as Briar puts. It this is not a who done at type of case case it's more of a case of. How do we fix what was done if it can't be fixed? And what is fair. And just compensation for the people who've been damaged by this matter Jih for not feeling relieved fair and just compensation will work for Volkswagen and hopefully bring this to a quick conclusion. it's two in the morning on April twentieth. Two Thousand Sixteen and nearly a full moon hangs over Washington. DC Robert GIUFFRA has spent the past three three months in the capital. He's been leading a small legal team. They've been negotiating with plaintiffs steering committee. Trying to find a settlement over Volkswagen's diesels tonight. They're still at added practically barricaded inside the law offices of Wilmer Hale. The conference room is ranked with body odor and the smell of stale. Coffee differ can see that every lawyer the room looks just as bad as he does haggard and dishevelled. After a week of thirteen hour days the lawyers from both sides are trying to remain civil. But everyone's on edge. Each judge Pryor has given them until tomorrow to arrive at a preliminary settlement. Jeffrey wills himself to ignore the pressure. Stay focused there are still important in details to hammer out. If he's going to reach a settlement his bosses except Jennifer takes in breath and stands and addresses the room everyone. I think I see your way to wrap this up. Doesn't attorney swivel to face him. He's got their attention. We're all in agreement. Volkswagen needs to fix the car. I goes without saying but what if Volkswagen doesn't stop there. What if we also help out? The government will retrofit state owned buses. Trucks tugboats you name. It opposing lawyer shakes her head. How are you going to make that happen Bob? The logistics are beyond anything. You can manage. Jeffer- swallows hard. He knows what he's just promised will add hundreds of millions of dollars to the settlement but it false waggin wants to salvage its future. It needs hard sacrifices now. We'll worry about the logistics right but with full oversight from all of you. I don't know I'd need to make some calls. We don't have time for more calls. Brier wants this tomorrow fine fine. Let's say we go along with what you've outlined so far. What else can you offer? What else that's not enough? It's not enough okay. Well if that's not enough you tell me what else you know. What else bob you want by Max? Okay Volkswagen will also offer buybacks to anyone who bought clean diesel in exchange. I want something from you. And what could that beep let. Volkswagen give car owners option to keep their vehicles. Those who want to do that will upgrade their cars and make them compliant the lead plaintiff lawyer. Mulls it over differ extends his hand across the table expectantly. After after several seconds the plaintiff lawyer nods and stands as well the to shake hands. Jennifer can feel the entire room. Exhale the preliminary deal is. He's done two months later. Jennifer paces down a hallway at the law offices of Wilmer Hale in Washington. DC The judge Pryor accepted the preliminary agreement back in April but he also told both teams to get back to the negotiating table the two sides he said needed to quickly hash out a final settlement since then differ and the other lawyers have endured eight weeks of mind numbing mediation they owe their entire existence to. DC's late night pizza delivery tonight. Jeffers on the phone with government official in Texas trying to get him to agree to the final settlement terms. When it's not easy? The tax demands assurance clarification promises. There are more tainted diesels taxes than almost any other state official says makes a counter to everyone differs offers. The conversation goes on for hours until the official says he'll go for the deal. Jennifer thanks him profusely and hangs up in relief. He hurries back to the law firms. Main conference room and breaks the news in the negotiators. Oh she enters. The settlement is complete. He nearly whispers the next three words stunned by the enormity of the figure. Fifteen billion dollars. Its it's largest payout by an automaker in history Jeffer- gathers with the other lawyers around the conference room phone. Call Judge Pryor and lay out the terms of the deal. Ten billion dollars will be distributed to the car owners. Three billion goes to programs to reduce air pollution. Two billion goes to a program to promote battery-powered vehicles judge. Breyer says it works for him and offers his congratulations. You'll granted official approval in court tomorrow. Jeffrey can't believe he actually pulled it. Off Yes fifteen billion dollars almost incomprehensible some but Volkswagen's talk brass agreed. It could have been much much worse. So differs pleased. He stopped the bleeding and managed to keep the company alive. His success today gives Volkswagen a fighting chance. Still he knows this is not the end of the story. The class action settlement maybe maybe almost wrapped up but differ is certain more charges will come and when they do Volkswagen's going to need every last penny to defend itself. It is July nineteenth two thousand sixteen in Albany New York Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey's visiting the state capital in town on for an important press conference. She stands in the press room flanked by the attorney. General of New York and Maryland. Healy wears a conservative navy. Blue Dress and Pearl earrings. She she wants everything about her presentation today to be uncomplicated and direct. She looks at the room. which is buzzing with anticipation cameras? Click rapidly as New York State Attorney General gives introductory remarks and step aside. He takes her place at the podium and speaks directly. She announces that. There's been a major development in the Volkswagen case. Not only did Volkswagen lie. When claimed its diesel engines were clean? full-swing has also lying about who is responsible. Therefore Massachusetts New York and Maryland are suing the company and its CEO. Matthias Mueller. Haley reminds the audience of the story. Volkswagen has been telling Mueller's claim that a handful of engineers low on on the totem pole are responsible. He says they independently initiated the emissions cheating scheme. But that's not true. Haley says conspiracy ran all the way to the top long before. Mueller became CEO. He knew that Volkswagen had no intention of meeting. US Emission Standards Haley sums up the company's crimes for all in attendance off. 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#28 Dr. Muller

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#28 Dr. Muller

"In this episode of heavyweight is brought to you by Bonobos with more fits more sizes more colors and more styles than ever but oh bows makes clothes that help every guy look and feel their best self however you fed the Noboa's fits you Hello how come. You're French is so much better than mine. I think everybody's trying to and why is that because we listen you. Don't listen. I mean I was in French. Immersion all you guys. What you either daydream? While you're talking do you know what it sounds like. You're on all those French. Immersion teachers sides that I had throughout the years. That's what they used to say. Zhanna town Tetouan La Lune which means Your head in the client if found save la La la says do do of Wild Cancun to tackle. I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa you know you you know I'm getting close to the hang up. It could come in when you start getting. I mean they're right about now right right now from Gimblett media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein. Eighteen and this is heavyweight. Today's episode Dr Mueller. Uh growing up a single question dominated my thought what what was the use. What was the use of getting out of bed of combing your hair of breathing all that breathing? What was the use of anything? When all of life inevitably king grinding? To an end by seventeen I was waking up in the middle of the night seized by the meaninglessness justness of it all by eighteen. I started to lose my hair at nineteen. I dropped out of college and a twenty. I knew I had to do something and so he began seeing a therapist. Initially the idea felt romantic like something out of Jd. Salinger Hitchcock at our first. I appointment I might have even worn blazer minute. Therapists extended a hand and introduced herself as Dr Mueller and for the next six appears that was the only name by which she was known to me. Dr Mueller never referred to me by my first name either. Instead she called me Mr Goldstein allstate. which because she spoke with a heavy German accent? She pronounced Goldstein. The first and only time. I tried correcting her. She simply said it is Goldstein. Dr Mueller was rail thin appeared to be in her late sixties and wore her hair in a grayish bowl cut she favored turtlenecks and maccarone vests and sat behind signed an imposing desk empty except for a telephone and a neat stack of small note papers at the end of our first appointment. She asked me to write up a one page family history instead. I took a deep dive into my childhood. I wanted her to have all the source material. She'd need to get to the bottom of my morbid disposition -sition and so the following week. I proudly presented her with a book length memoir. Dr Mueller skimmed through it and then and silently stuck my thome in a drawer and never brought it back up so several sessions later I did. I am not very interested interested in the past. She said I'm more interested in the present. What are you going to do now? She asked what I I was going to do. Now I hoped was talk about my past. But Dr Mueller could care less a therapist uninterested in the past ran contrary to everything. I thought I knew about therapy. It was like a carpenter who refused to work with would more than that. It was like a carpenter who hated aided would and if you brought them would they throw it in a concrete drawer. Never mention it again wasn't excavating the past pretty much therapists whole job. Where else does one find answers? Dr Mueller's unwillingness to even acknowledge my past was confounding. But so were a lot of things about her sometimes she inexplicably show up wearing a neck. Brace other times. Chief spent frantic minutes buffing out an invisible scuff marks from a waiting room chair. Then there were the long anecdotes about car trouble a trip. She was planning stories that went. Nowhere and were illustrative straight of of nothing. I could fathom and all the while whole precious. Expensive minutes elapsed in which I could neither wine nor complain my way to mental health. It felt positively wasteful. The doctor Moore's office was in a large old echoey building downtown. Our appointments happened around dusk and in my memory. It's always the dusk of winter cold and Wet Montreal winter from behind her desk lit by a desk lamb. She spoke of giving birth to One's authentic. Self a self. There wasn't all tangled up regrets about the past or consumed by anxiety over the Future Aka. A self that didn't sound sound very Jonathan Goldstein. Any in every session. Dr Mueller repeated the same refrain. You must give birth to yourself. What could she possibly mean? I asked my girlfriend at the time. Barbara was working on her bachelor's in psychology and in my darker moments I felt certain in her relationship with me was a part of her fieldwork. It might be a gestalt thing. She said uncertainly. But I don't know that stall therapy is is even a thing anymore week after week. Dr Mueller and I sat in a dark room as I tried in vain to birth myself on a bad day. She would reprimand me for not doing as she instructed. On a good day she would say that I was very very close. My authentic self. Alf was crowning. Was this just her line. I wondered something. Dr Mueller told all her patients I grew increasingly frustrated straighted. I was still lost still waking up at noon still spending my days watching video rentals and smoking cigarettes in my parents. Basemen still showing up for appointments with Doctor Mueller for conversations that felt as pointless as life itself finally after being told for the teen time that the miracle of birth was Ni- I grew up set. It's hard to hear this year after year. I said I told her that we must be doing something wrong. It is not working. She said because view she spoke the words quietly but firmly I was taken aback. It had to be something more than just me if only slightly lately maybe a tiny bit because of her I mean she was sitting in the room as much as I was even in my insecure state. Her conclusion fell off and I said so it is because of you. She repeated was a therapist even allowed to say that at how could she refused to share in this failure. I think maybe this should be our last session. I said ending things with something I've been thinking of doing for a while but you have yet to find a philosophy. She said words to live by. That will ease self birth. Not everyone needs a philosophy sophy. I responded that is true. She said but you do at the end of the hour. Dr Mueller rose from behind Hind her desk and open the door for me. She smiled warmly sincerely. No edge at all the blame. She cast in combination with the simplicity. Ever ever goodbye was chilling. She shook my hand ending one of the most intense personal relationships. I'd had up until that point in my life And then just like that. I was back in that echoey hallway wondering what the Hell had just happened. It's a question I still don't have of an answer for when you're young because the world is small and new so many experiences confuse you but as you grow older under the odd things fall into place and you look back with something approaching clarity. But after thirty years my experience with Dr Mueller Somehow feels more mysterious mysterious more difficult to Parse than it did when I was twenty. You go to therapy to form a more coherent narrative out of your life yet. Paradoxically Doc Szekely. The chapter of my life with Dr Mueller remains one that I've never really been able to make sense of and so I still find myself asking. who was this person and she bad therapist or was I a bad patient? Although Dr Mueller died in two thousand three I recently realized there might still be away to find out. ooh In recent months I find myself moving away from traditional psychotherapy and towards a more improvisational mental health regimen. That he is I stay up late twelve drinking beer and watching old movies. It's wild watching at close range. A Sean Penn.. Christopher Walken DOC and film from the nineteen eighties that I realize I'd already seen it in a college class. And with this recollection I remember the professor who taught the class and the one time I'd seen him outside of his classroom. It was in Dr Mueller's waiting room. I'd seen him exiting in her office or at least I think I had. The moment was long ago so fleeting but if true this memory had the power to tear open the potential wormhole connecting me to my past as a kid in therapy for the first time I had no perspective on Dr Mueller but here was was a full fledged adult patient of hers. A professor no less. Who'd have the experience and insight to cast the decisive vote in the? Was it me. Or was it Mueller referendum. Was She just weirdly. Hung up on this notion of self birth or was I just too young to get it with the movie paused in the background. I pace the floor of my living room. A plan begins to take shape. All I have to do is break all the rules of therapy of polite light society and track down a now elderly professor who taught at a school I dropped out of to inquire fitted been him. I'd seen exiting my therapist's office thirty years ago. Yes I agree nodding my head to no one in particular three beers into a six pack of tall boys at two in the morning morning. This was an excellent idea. Fine the man who can supply context what was wrong with a little context The only problem was after thinking as hard as okay could. I could not remember the professor's name. How long has it been? It's been a while. Oh Man Yeah it has been a while. Aw a visit to. The schools website tells me nothing about my old professor but I do discover that the present chair of department is an old college friend. Dana Anna and I haven't spoken in close to twenty years. Our things with you. They're good. They're good yeah. Things are quiet. I've been here tells me how much he enjoys teaching English and and I tell her that I'd recently been guilty reading Madame Bovery a book on the required reading list back when we were in school that I never actually read and it must of started it because I found some of like my margin Nalia that makes me like hate myself when I was at a underlying this whole paragraph in the margin i. I wrote Espanol Dan. You'll ism question mark and what could even have possibly meant eventually. I explained the reason for my call how I'm in search of a professor from her department. Whose name I could not remember? But who may or may not have had a ringside seat to the development of my young psyche I proceed to describe the professor the Best I can The guy had kind of like black. earliest hair may be kind of balding. His first name might have been rob could have been Bob. I offer Dana all the detail I can. He seemed to enjoy joy chewing gum. Once during the warmer weather he might have taught while wearing a Panama hat. None of that is ringing. A bell with me After a while I just give well thank you. It was nice. It was nice talking to you no problem it was nice talking to you too. It's as we're about to get off the phone. One more small unhelpful detail pops into my head and immediately out of my mouth. It's a surprise. The price mustache at some point. Is it possible. His name was Maury Maury. That is the guy after the break. 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Whatever the case best buy has blueshirts ready to answer all of your tech related questions and help you find the right gift? And they're offering being deals all season long. You can talk to a blue shirt in store today or visit best buy dot com to shop online. Jonathan Hey maury through. Yeah they're me. Okay Yeah I can hear you where I am where I am the where Maury is is Jamaica sitting with his neighbors in the communal yard and after all these years he still professorial. Bob Song In women no crying you know Georgie. live-fire line in Tenement Yard and in change. You can't really understand what that means that you you actually been in one of them. Maury spends half the year in Jamaica and as soon as he got my message asking if we could speak he phoned right back every so often. He's interrupted by the neighbor's daughter. Alexi enter toddler. Sister Tessie Alexi Petiot take her into to the yard. Maury a Jew as been working on a documentary with Bob Marley's granddaughter arasa about the relationship between Jews News and rosters and their cultural overlaps like wet overland groups that are quite Orthodox. They don't eat pork while I do find the subject of Maurice Documentary semi interesting. The questions I'm asking are not in service to that semi interest but rather to staving off the moment I have to announce the invasive nature of my phone call blocks from the same biblical injunction due to consider Jews Warren Beard. The whole point of therapy is to have a sacred space separated from the rest of the world free from the judgment of others saw in here I was phoning up a stranger to ask mind if I poke around around your sacred space. A bit any heartaches on the therapist that John Crazy you or are you like still not maury would have every free right to banged down the phone on my face and so I keep deferring is the russify is a connected to the lost tribes There could be like it's not really we go back and forth for almost half an hour all the while Maury never ask a six way. I'm phoning on the loading Jonathan. Hi Tessie having exhausted every possible. Way To put off asking my question every digression every subject change every attempt to keep Maurice two two year old neighbor on the phone. I'm left with no recourse but to finally get to the point of my weird out of nowhere social call so I just dive in anyway So so yes should. I'll I'll tell you why I'm phoning So I I have a pretty pretty strange question and and I'm I'm just GonNa say that right out the gate basically the the reason I'm calling you who is because there was a moment where our lives crossed and just totally in a very coincidental way and I was reminded of what yeah crappy sets. Think about that just as I'm finally getting to it who arrived a tiny little Plastic caustic rap videos. We'd running out with it. I didn't know what you would do with it. She's not going to smoke it capital interact with. I have kept doing it. Yeah Luntz wants that Cheech and Chong Gas Shenanigans are behind us. I resume mealy mouthing my way through a procession of preambles. You know don't i. I don't WanNa make you uncomfortable or anything. I want you to be comfortable answering this. And if you don't want to totally fine I used to see this therapist and a half this memory and it might be an I might be missing remembering even is doing in the waiting room and seeing you leave her ause. It was a doctor Moore Maury so unfazed by my question. I'm inclined mind to wonder whether he's bogarted little tessies joint without any ado he just jumps right in telling me. He began seeing Dr Muller during a creative block and continued to see her for four years. I found her very interesting. I also found her very somewhat. I I don't remember exactly what age she was the kind of on the older side for Dixie diving and then there were the thing about the horses which I can't remember Marina Swap Memories. It's validating DACA Mueller. There was odd anybody where to glossman unless they alien with six arms is she just a USO. You know something. I've got that feeling. It should some sort of Alien Maury remembers how angry should get if he was even a few minutes late. How harsh she could be in her method? That always seems ah bit interesting to talk about what happened to six years old. You know it's like what are you going to do now. What is your next step? Yeah Yeah even really that interested in feeling it was more the you're there see that's the term that you constantly us. What is your concept? What is your concept of how you are going to do this? You'll have to formulate a concept. I haven't yet. I think she thought that I wasn't formulating of the concept. I tell Maury about the note that Dr Mueller and I had parted on. Has she'd been crossed because of my failure to birth myself when asked if of self birth with something they'd also talked about. He says no but I had the same feeling with her You know quite working the way it should and eventually she just just say. I don't think you need me anymore. She didn't say you know This is useless. We're not getting where she just she actually said. I think we've gone immune to where we want to get. I'm maybe she was right. I don't know you know. Well that sounds kind of like a nice way to end therapy as far as those things go. We're sure he wasn't handed a certificate with the word cured stamped on it getting to where you want to go as more dignified end to therapy. Be The night managed. Maybe it wasn't with honors at least Maury graduated rather than dropped out just as one of the strangest telephone calls of my life comes to an end Maury casually mentions that he just so happens is to be in touch with another of Dr Mueller's former patients and one who unlike the both of us wasn't confused by Dr Mueller. At all more encouraged. Fridges me to give them a call. I've seen a couple of therapists over the years. And she wasn't my favorite after after a breakup left him devastated. Michael went to Dr Muller for help. She wasn't crazy about listening so much I mean in fact she did did a lot of the talking and it got into a kind of WHO's talking now competition she's reprimanded me bridge. I thought was kind of strange. Michael's memories spark one of my own one day during a fit of coughing. I ask Doctor Mueller for water order. There was a sink in the corner of a room but no cop I needed a glass of water and she. She told you to go to the thing can use your hands Right Cup Jehan. Yeah how do you know 'cause she told me to do the same thing. hunching over the saying cupping my hands together to catch the flow of water from Dr Muller spout. I felt like someone from the Bible like a bear until now I've been alone with my bestial memories no more But when I bring up the business of giving birth to myself as in. How nutty was all that? I'm surprised by his response. Car member remember ever saying anything like that to me. Boom high tonic juice. It studiously judy. Okay Jerry. I'm Michael has put me in touch with yet. Another patient of Dr Mueller's the person who recommended he see her in the first place. Because unlike Michael Maurienne me which by the way sounds like a Jewish folk trio. Judy loved Dr Mueller so much so that she always refers to her as the fantastic. Dr Mueller Judy's a painter. who began seeing Dr Mueller in the mid seventies because Judy's lack of confidence in her own work mark was threatening to derail her career here? Yes I hear you know all right. How better is that better? Jonathan I think it is. I think it's yeah I think so. Judy says Dr Mueller's approach when beyond talk beyond even the confines of the office he went to my gallery to see my I work and the gallery dealer greet her and showed her. I work Sure Judy attacked in therapy about herself. Doubts as an artist. But you never would have anticipated anticipated. Dr Mueller actually going to see her work meanwhile I had gotten a phone call from the gallery. diener saying who would. Aw Cut people off. I mean it was like really I couldn't help. Wow Yeah. She had a very severe there but the point is judy says the doctor Muehler loved what she saw that day and hearing that at that particular moment in her life from someone. There's no nonsense as Dr. Mueller gave judy the confidence she was looking for. I just accepted her. I guess it is in crisies. VR Beehive She was one hundred percent in my court. She stepped in in moments that were difficult. The Judy experienced a different side of Dr Muller. When that I never could have even imagined and the more we talk walk the more I realized how different our experiences had been while my doctor? Mueller had been largely inscrutable. Judy's Dr Mueller loved the Beatles. Judy Judy got to know a doctor. Mueller who always wanted to be an actor who took vacations alone to go scuba diving and describe swimming alongside a man to ray as one of the most most meaningful encounters of her life. Judy's Dr Mueller was the type of person who blushed after making a slight joke. Who got a look of satisfaction when she hit on on something deep and this is why on the wall of Judah Art Studio side pictures of her friends her family and her dogs hangs a photograph of of the fantastic Dr Mueller Dr Moolah devised a treatment plan uniquely tailored to Judy Judy and needed confidence and reassurance? and Dr Mueller went out and gave it to her if she done that for Judy. Perhaps you'd also done the same for other patients with that in mind. Ask Judy if during the course of her therapy doctor. Mueller had ever mentioned giving birth to herself. But Judy has no idea what I'm talking king about after thirty years of obsessing it dawns on me the doctor Mueller might have tailored this notion of self birth specifically to me and my mother was a violent bipolar manic depressive. This is Judy's husband husband. Neil who also was very very intelligent brilliant. She's a painter. She was capable of a lot but she was also. You're very aggressive and unable to be a mother. Neal and Judy were newlyweds. Judy encouraged him to start. Start seeing Dr Mueller for the most part things in Neil's life we're going great. His career was taking off and he finally felt saddled who when it came to dealing with his mother. Neil says he had no control should phone at all hours sometimes even threatening suicide one night she phones saying she was about to jump off a balcony and so that very night neil rush to the airport to fly to her when he arrived at her home he expected to see her body on the ground outside but she was inside her apartment Hartman. She just wants to see him. What finally pushed him to the breaking point was the time he called her from his hotel while away on a business trip and Dan? She says you're having an affair and she gets into this vile bio about me having an affair and betraying my marriage. I'm going going to tell your wife. Neil wasn't worried that his wife would believe his mother. He was worried about the lanes. His mother was willing to go to to assert control. I told my wife I said. Don't worry I'm taking care of it. You know she's crazy again. She's leaving these messages. But I'm making it better. I'm taking care of it. Whatever I said and my wife began to cry? She said you'll never take care of it. This will never go. Neal was a full grown man with no idea how to deal with his mother desperate. He played Dr Muller the threatening voice voice messages his mother had left doctrine eulogised. She bowed her head and she just looked down and she said Oh. Wow she was like really like Oh. Wow Oh wow. And she gave me a script she said okay. Say this neal still has the original piece of paper upon which he dictated. Dr Muller's words. It's a little kind of yellowy. The two by four pieces of pavement It says here Dear mother what you've done has done damage to my life from here on you can sustain a relationship with me if you behave even positive constructive way but at the moment. It's better that we don't talk. I think that's kind of world I mean there's nothing really more kneel acknowledges that it wasn't much it really just a couple of lines but for him it was enough. It was the first time he'd ever dared talk to his mother. This way it was hard for me to read this. You Know I. I was scared after he read it. Meal says he and his Mother didn't speak for ten years which sounds insane for people who have normal parents. Some you know I mean I'm always measuring this but Chino is never gonNA come back until she started to behave better and so a decade passed and then one day hey my mother called me and she was totally cooled out she just said I'm really sorry. Wow I get it I understand. You were right. Please forgive me. Please forgive me at her voice. Had all of that in it wasn't she was really meant it. And from that day forward Lord if you can believe it we had a relationship after that a loving one she never lashed out or was aggressive. It was over And I had that relationship with up until my mother passed away a couple years ago. Whatever it was never would've had those those final few years with her? I have it because of the sessions with Dr Mueller. So so imagine. Excuse me so imagine that we think about Dr Miller alert Toward the end of Neal's therapy doctor. Mueller was diagnosed with cancer. It made her weak and in the last year she would disappear during their sessions for long stretches in the bathroom. The last it's time I saw her she. She shook my hand goodbye. I was very brave. Gracious dignified thing. The way she did it she said. Good luck I mean. She meant that she was like saying. Good luck with all of you. All of you kneel just good luck and she looked me in the eye and anyway so she shook my hand and forever's Lake burnt into my brain about a year after Neil stopped singer at the age of seventy seven. Dr Mueller died of cancer As with me Dr Muehler wasn't very interested in learning about Neal's past but unlike me from time to Time Neil did learn something about hers Bruce particularly towards the end as the bigger issues in his therapy receded and a sort of friendship emerged. They just talked sometimes a better better family life back in Germany. I think they were fairly wealthy. I think of right professional wealthy family. Her father was a doctor. They had a beautiful home. Tom Many stories and then The Nazis came and they absconded. They're in their home and used it for headquarters and her bitterness about the war. Is that as a German. She was regarded as the enemy. So I think that kind of smarted. She constantly constantly talked about Jews not the only victims and it was confusing her for her to work with Jews. I think she'd never said that. But I I think that you know his a lot of Jewish people in Montreal and the attitude toward sermon so I think that had to play back on her own wounds because she exposed her ones and I think I always thought that her we were. Also we're a part of her therapy Was Jewish clientele merely a coincidence. Or were we as Neil believed part of Dr Mueller's own therapy and if we were what was she trying to heal. was there some part of her past that. You couldn't simply stick in a desk drawer and never bring up again. Dr Mueller had never been very interested in my past asked. I was now quite interested in hers in. This episode of heavyweight is brought to you by squarespace Jonathan. I think it's time you went legit for. Hey Josh editor at Gimblett media with all due respect wet in the world are you talking about put my moonlighting side project and side-hustle have all been cleared by HR Jonathan. I'm talking about how you find. Old stuffed animals animals in the garbage dust them off stitch-up torn little ears and noses and south from the back of your mom station wagon blissed out Dum dums at major music festivals. That's not illegal. Is it legit businessmen but in that I pay my taxes. Jonathan Nothing legit unless it has a website does your quote unquote business. Business have a website. What's a website? Oh brother I've learned that a website is one way to legitimize your side hustle and squarespace makes it. It's easy to make one. They offer beautiful. Templates that you can customize to your liking to get started visit squarespace dot com slash heavyweight for a free trial when you're ready to launch us the offer code heavyweight to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain that's where space dot com slash heavyweight offer offer code heavyweight to save ten percent. Dr Moore's Obituary mentions the son Bruno. Oh He's a retired computer systems consultant. He agreed to talk but didn't WanNa be recorded when asked about his mother's life during the war he tells me all he has has our snippets. The Past Bruno tells me didn't come up much as dinner. Conversation given his mother's feelings about the past it makes sense would he does know is this. She was born Anna Corolla Cooper and she was an athlete. She played tennis competitively and was a strong enough swimmer swimmer to attempt an escape during the allied invasion by swimming across the Rhine as she swam Bruno says snipers from the other side fired. Her Her Brennan tells me grandfather was the doctor who was eventually captured by the Russians and sent to a Soviet prison camp. These camps were notoriously brutal with hundreds of thousands of German captives dying from violence malnutrition or forced labor for years. Dr Muller didn't know whether her father author was alive or dead on the day of an allied bombing campaign that would devastate hometown. Doctor Family didn't have time to make it to the local bomb shelter. Turn which was fortunate because it was destroyed instead. The family hid in the garden. Shed which turned out to be the only part of the House that survived if the devastation. The bombing wasn't supposed to hit them. That hard annika is journalist who lives near Ephron were Dr Mueller grew up. They were actually aiming at the harbor in Cologne but they had the order not to return with all the weapons. Like get rid of all your your bombs before you get back home. Don't go round flying with all the bombs but just drop them somewhere and so unfortunately they were dropped on F oven. I commissioned Annika to find out anything she could about the Mueller's so she'd wandered the streets of Efren looking for traces of the family but most of the people who lived in Efren during the war are now gone. I ask if she was able to find out anything about Dr Mueller's father anything that might elaborate on his capture by the Russians. What I did come across and that kind of struck me was that he was a Nazi doctors? Union at the time so the doctors in this union their job was it to tell people From a medical perspective why one race would be superior to another now the race. eugenics exactly the mission of the National Social Esteban as the union was called was to make sure doctors were aligned with the Nazi spirit. We can't know for certain that Dr Mueller's father was enforced to join. But we do know that by the end of the war half of the ninety thousand doctors and Germany. Germany were not members of the astro went in other words. You didn't have to be in the union to practice medicine on top of that. There's this he wasn't just a member but he is listed as like the Kaiser Onsite which okay how do I translate. The rough translation is that Dr Mueller's father was an upper level manager in the Nazi physicians. League he oversaw district of two million people while it's impossible to know is private intentions and beliefs given the prestige of his position. It's unlikely he was a secret hero of the resistance. It's a leader of his rank let alone a medical leader would at the very least been aware of the systematic sterilization an and execution of those deemed undesirable among them. The so called mentally. Ill know under Dr Mueller might have felt compelled to leave the past asked where it was. What are your recollections of Herbert? And his wife no good people. I'm proud to know. I'm glad to be their friend once again again. I find myself speaking to a German psychiatrist and Montreal. His name is Dr Gert Morgenstern. And he was close to Dr Mueller and her husband Herbert both friends and colleagues. They would gather at Dr Morgan Stearns home in a quiet neighborhood in Montreal were Dr Mueller's husband. Herbert and he played music together. Herbert on the flu Dr Morgenstern on the Piano Dr Mueller would wander in and out listening to them play. She spent many hours in Dr Morgan Stearns Home Dr Morgenstern San Mark explained at the beginning of the conversation that his father might not have much to offer in recent years. His memory has begun onto falter and much of Dr Morgan's past has become loss to him. But since this might be the only chance I get to talk to someone who actually knew Dr Mueller who who can speak to her as a friend. We decided to give it a try. I asked Dr Morgenstern. If he remembers spending time with the Mueller's yes I think so. It was pleasant. We look forward to it. Mark says has his father's memory fails he's held onto the happy memories and allowed a lot out of the painful ones to go like the Mueller's Dr Morgenstern was a German who emigrated to Canada. But unlike the Mueller's he was a Jew he fled. Let Germany in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven a year before Kristallnacht. You both immigrated from Germany. was that a subject that came up. I don't remember life during the war. I don't remember any of that so she never talked with you about what she went through during the war. Not that I remember and we talked about was what we were doing and what we were planning to do. Dr Morgenstern says they never talked about the past that they didn't talk about their religions. Then even talk about psychology and they never discussed Germany. Mark says that after fleeing his father never spoken a word of German again so if they didn't talk about the past what did they do together make music and talk and what. What did you like to talk about wrote the music? We were playing because he was a fellow therapist as well as her friend. I asked him what he knows about. Dr After Mueller's practice her approach throughout our conversation. Dr Morgenstern Answers are brief a few words at most but when I asked him about Dr Dr Mueller's insistence on self birth and whether it was an idea that she tailored to my situation or some obscure therapeutic method Dr Morgenstern grows animated. Did she wasn't it wasn't doing a method. She invented what she said. It's a continual process had an attitude toward life in other words. You're you're actively producing your future in your present. You are decisions to make the have memories to select act and you're building your future. That way never actually finished giving berthier. So it Ed Never Completed Act. Well I take in my inability to give birth to myself as the failing of either myself for Dr Mueller. He wasn't really. Maybe Dr Mueller telling me over and over that birth was imminent was her way of saying there is no end point. It's just living and that's the point. Anna Corolla composed the daughter of a doctor who served a regime that treated the mentally ill as a blight upon humanity left Germany to become Anna Corolla Muehler who became not only a doctor but a psychiatrist and when who tended to Jews or anyone what else who needed her help you are not your past. You are not your father or your family or at least you do not have to be you. Were the thing that you make. which is a lesson Dr? Mueller must have had to learn for herself before she could pass it on to others before she could pass it on to me Even though I still don't have with Dr Muller Michael Affi I eventually came to see that. What's it's the US was never the right question? The most important things in life have no use. And maybe this is the closest. 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1158: "Taking a Mueller"

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1158: "Taking a Mueller"

"Robert Mueller's my Dad Adam Curry John's devora twenty fifth twenty nineteen. This is your award-winning on Asian media assassination episode eleven fifty eight. This is no agenda referring to the reports and Dan Broadcasting Live from the frontier of Austin Texas capital the drone star stay in the morning everybody curry Silicon Valley where I've been reading the Mullahs report and we're in it unjustly Vase Kale yeah well mission by we're ended by proof that prove that is true by omission yeah well. How was your day yesterday? Yeah exactly what Agip alleged jet total GYP. Actually I have a different word for it cruel well. There's an element of cruel no no no. It's a big big element. Robert Mueller was my dad three years ago and my dad is now toast. I hate to say this this. I was blown away. I couldn't believe it will what do us explain more detail. He is okay if you in the fact that he looks like a corpse no he when you are testified I looked I've seen a lot of Bob Muller testimonies then a a lot of them where he lied a lot but but and by the way did we like outline a whole bunch of his kind of screwy wrote quote unquote wrongdoings and and joint people in jail uh necessarily and are going after people that shouldn't get gone after a lot of screwball stuff in this guy's background just like call me well here listened to <hes> him on the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as director Tenet is pointed announced Secretary Powell presented evidence last week at Baghdad as failed to disarm its weapons of mass destruction willfully attempting to evade deceive the international community. Our particular concern is that Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with biological chemical or radiological material now. He's always been pretty good at reading and he was he was pretty decent reading yesterday whenever he read could get through it but when you're you're when you're testifying and you're covering things up because that's what he's done throughout his career and you have a whole bunch of legal things you need to think about when you're answering your filters. GotTa Be Pretty Damn active because you have tons of filters. Can I say what can I not say and he basically just put one up there. Say nothing refer them to report easy one. It's beyond my purview. He actually said I don't know maybe twice but this was this was mean whoever put a clearly the Democrats had no idea or most of them had no idea that he was incapable of withstanding any type of cross examining or any examination <hes> someone new and that's why they put the minute. I hear that it's going to have the F._B._i.. Guy Next whom why that was his that stooge doing that was he kill button. That's a little button close range that was his head off and that was his security blanket. That's that's what that was about he in case he he completely keeled over that guy would would jump in it was I could not believe the answers he was giving. Here's as an example. I do WANNA testify. Don't call me. I'll call you that's it. I don't WanNa test tonight Aaron Burr. I knew him not a very nice fellow kind of what he sounded like. He's trying to go off on his tangible. Let's go to this one. which really makes you wonder? This had to cut this guy off of course but this is the C-SPAN call in about Mueller Cornelius Alexandria Louisiana. This is our republican line. What did you what did you think of what <hes> the special counsel to say well? I'm their personal dealings with the special counsel. I don't know him personally as for the but I'd turn in some paperwork years ago where I was getting death threats and stuff like that I was a federal correctional said okay one Louisiana where they had to ride at with the Cubans and stuff this guy's a phony and fraud. He's tried to destroy or a trump. Now I left the Democratic Party because the Democratic Party betrayed me and I joined the Republican Party but this guy's never ever trumper <hes> Robert Muller has put innocent people behind bars and like I said I absolutely C.. Span for putting anything on that's the truth he's tried to destroy president trump and stuff and the Democrats are too like I said mother put me behind bars and put other people behind bars. You're illegally. I'm trying to prove my case and trying to get a presidential car now. Hope one day C. Span. We'll put something on about presidential pardons and stuff. How how long did you say how long did you serve for this? <hes> this from <hes> Cornelius how long do surf's well what happened was they said threatened to kill the warden where I worked at it Oakdale one Louisiana but what it really was I by the E._O._C. complaint where they got to call them the inmates and staff the N. Word and then I got death I and stuff the F._B._i.. Knew about it and wouldn't help me but then they said I threatened to kill the war network to keep me behind bars this up the end eventually I plead guilty because they put a piece of Roken my food. We'll let you go. There and Robert. Mama was former F._B._I.. Cut Him off. Get Him off the air. He's out of control. I WANNA I WANNA make my point up front. Just do it with two clips. I have more. I think you have wrap-ups and stuff and we can. I know people the expect us to deconstruct widdly some of this what happened what's deconstruct. Well we can deconstruct. We can deconstruct the fact that they're definitely two dimensions to this but go on a start with <hes> with a little bit of evidence that Mueller is was not really a part of this entire investigation. He was the figurehead and Louie Gohmert. I think express that well with this question. Mr Mueller who wrote the nine minute comments you read at your may twenty-ninth press conference. I'm not going to get into that okay so that's what I thought you didn't ride. We didn't think he wrote it at the time either and it's clear he didn't write any of this and his staff was packed with Schill. Jill prosecutors want to make sure there's no appearance of impropriety but in your case you hired a bunch of people that did not like the president's. Let me ask you when did you. I learn a Peter strucks animus toward donald trump summer of seventeen. You didn't know before he was hired. I'm sorry what you didn't l. before he was hired for your team know what either struck hated trump okay. You didn't know that before he was made part of your team. Is that what you did not know that all right. When did you learn when he did find out I acted swiftly to have him reassigned elsewhere in the there's some discussion about how swift that was but when did you learn the ongoing fairy was having with Lisa page about the same time from struck? Did you ever order anybody to investigate the deletion of all of their techs off of their government of phones. Once we found that Peter Struck was author of you. Whoever may I finish what you're not answering my question? Did you order an investigation into deletion and reformatting of their government phones. No there was my g investigation ongoing so he really he doesn't know who was on the team doesn't know who was brought in why and the question is cool was on the team and what were they doing and what was happening which we've looked at before is the report had there was a sculptor Tori information that was removed from the report to questions about that Greg Jarrett describes your office as the team of parts McClintock by the way listens and as additional information is coming to light. There's a growing concern earned political bias caused important faxed emitted from your report in order to cast the president unfairly in a negative light for example John Dow the President's lawyer leaves a message with Michael Flynn's lawyer on November seventeenth in two thousand seventeen November twenty seventeen gene the edited version in your report makes it appear that he was improperly asking for confidential information and that's all we'd know from your report except that the judge and the plan case ordered the entire transcript released in which dowd makes it crystal clear clear. That's not what he was suggesting so my question is why did you edit the transcript to hide the exculpatory part of the message. I agree with your characterization as we did anything to hide. You'll meet it. You quoted the poor. Are we says we need some kind of heads up. Just the protecting Oliver Interested we can but you will mid portion where he says without giving up any confidential information so knowing that Mueller is toast in really was not a part of this report <hes> not a part of the investigation instigation. He was probably there when people were hired but really it was just coasting along doing as he was asked to do us. He's done most of his career. The next clip is a clue as to who was really in charge of this entire investigation and report. We have to rely on your report for an accurate reflection of the evidence and we're starting to find out that's not true for example your report famously links Russian Internet troll farms with the Russian government entity hearing on May Twenty eight and the Concord Word Management I._R._A.. Prosecution that you initiated the judge excoriated both you and Mr Bar for producing no evidence to support this claim. Why did you just Russia was responsible for the troll farms when in court you've been unable to produce any evidence to support supported get into that for that I already but you left the clear impression throughout the country through your report it was the Russian government behind the toll farms and yet when you're called upon to provide actual evidence in court you failed to do so? We're GONNA get dispute your characterization of what occurred in that in that proceeding in fact the judge considering considered holding prosecutors in criminal contempt she backed off only only after your hastily called press conference next day which you retroactively made the distinction between the Russian government and the Russia troll farms did your press conference it may twenty-ninth anything to do with the threat to hold your prosecutors in contempt the previous day for publicly glee misrepresenting the evidence was questioned. The question is did your may twenty-ninth press conference have anything to do with the fact that the previous day the judge threatened to hold your prosecutors in contempt from misrepresenting evidence so this is a pattern that we recognized from someone on Mueller's team <hes> omitting evidence that could be skuld Batori and the one that and it was of course never really a big new story but we we discussed is it the indictment of the twelve so-called Russian G._R._U.. Kremlin links spies at the Internet research agency troll farm. Some of them went to court <hes> who were implicated in this or one company went to court was implicated in this and said well. Why don't you show actually took them to court? Show us the evidence they had zero evidence. The judge got pissed off because these guys had this big indictment and we're not prepared to prove anything at all this one guy on that team who was the lead of the report and that's Andrew Weissmann and where do we know Andrew Weisman from from Enron and Arthur Andersen. He did the exact same thing key. You brought a lawsuit against he brought a sealed indictment against Arthur Andersen when they were begging pleading. Please don't do that. Arthur Andersen is the accounting was the accounting firm for many Wall Street <hes> firms top firms and the minute you take an agent accompany that is responsible for <hes> ah truth in numbers and you put doubt on them with with an indictment which I think lasts up to two weeks everyone runs away because you can't have a public company and your numbers be drawn into question and Arthur Andersen subsequently collapsed. I think it was sixty thousand people worldwide who were out of job. The case went to the Supreme Green Court struck down unanimously. This is Andrew Weissmann. This is what he does and he's been running this from the beginning. He's also Hillary's guy he was the guy who was sitting at Hillary's inauguration party that wasn't and that's what's going on here and they've been exposed they had nothing. Mueller is a figurehead and it's done. I don't know I no one's bitching about Andrew Weissmann. They could be all over the place talking about this. No one is bringing this up well if you listen to the three networks which I did and their coverage of the their wrap up coverage mow them all of them went long up to like eight nine minutes day day all started with pretty much the same premise which is very opening opening opening with the Nadler Bask in the question is did when trump said this is that in the report and Miller said no because it wasn't the report per se <hes> and then they just started falling. Didn't they showed a little kind of a rap. They don't show any good in fact none of the they had parts of the Gohmert who I think N._B._C. had part of the Gomer Clip N._B._C. was actually the most kind of pro-trump so trump and C._B._S.. With Nora was way off the deep end hating trumpeting on trump which she does. She hates trump if and I don't you know I'm thinking maybe they shot up with Bo talks or something something to get her is to look so dead as possible could be the very expressionless and then so A._B._C. With David Muir was a little bit in the middle of the it was still little anti trump. It wasn't nobody the nobody was perfectly poised to do the report property but I do have the rap here. We can listen to it as from A._B._C.. Robert Muller walking into a hearing two years in the making you swear he wasn't reluctant witness but Democrats forced him to appear in pressing him on whether the president obstructed justice director Mueller the president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that had completely and totally exonerated him but that is not not what you report said. Is it correct it is not what the report said so the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice. Is that correct that is correct and what about total exoneration did you actually totally the exonerate the president but Muller did not reach a conclusion on obstruction because the Justice Department office of Legal Counsel Says Sitting President cannot be indicted but can you be charged after he leaves office you could charge the President United States with obstruction auction of justice after he left office yet again and again Democrats went back to the report to highlight the ten incidents of possible obstruction by the president including win trump allegedly ordered his former White House counsel Don mcgann to fire Muller when the request was reported in the New York Times mcgann said the president told him to deny it the president said quote fake news folks fake news a typical New York Times fake story in quote correct. Your investigation actually found substantial evidence that mcgann was ordered by the president of fire. You correct yes but did the president obstruct. Muller Republicans pointed out mother kept his job. You ever fired a special counsel most Mr Aftermath of no now where where are you allowed to complete your investigation unencumbered. Yes Republicans argued Muller with out of bounds for offering examples of potential obstruction without drawing a conclusion you wrote one hundred eighty pages. There's one hundred eighty pages about decisions that weren't reached about potential crimes that weren't charged. Speak for a second muller offered a passionate defence of his team as Republicans accused them of political bias in this business for almost US twenty five years and who knows twenty-five years I have not had occasion wants to ask somebody about their political affiliation. Yeah good try A._B._C.. You know here was the strategy the Democratic strategy how did you was they split up at five of the ten obstruction of justice charges. Each different representatives were were addressing e to them in their five minute period and the leadership of of its general across all of all government there are old and they still somehow think that you can have a session where you know what you're going to ask which was okay does this. I adhere to the three statue parts of the statute that that make up corrupt <hes> obstruction of justice and so you really couldn't indict the president because of the office of Legal Regal. What does the oil see who said you can't indicted sitting president right right right right right right right so they kept trying this over and over because that's the way it used to work? You could get a little soundbite those sound bite from somebody. You can build a story around it. Put that in the headline put on the news. Okay it's good. Everyone believes we're saying in the days of Dan Rather. Maybe but this stupid here Ted lieu even tried the classic the oldest trick in the book now Turn Final Element of the crime of obstruction of justice on that same page page ninety seven were intent section on that page betsy. Would you be willing to read the first sentence and that was starting with substantial evidence. Let's indicates that the president give you read that first sentence. Would you be willing to do that. I'm happy to have you so Mueller wasn't all that lane because that's what it's about like the guy to say this guy to say this and then we'll have a great sound by frontier and this is what of course he wanted to say you wrote quote substantial evidence indicates that the presence effort to have sessions limit the scope of their special counsel's investigation to future election if you're was intended to prevent further investigative native scrutiny of the President's and his campaigns conduct unquote that's in the report correct that is in the report and I realize what's in the report. He tried to get him to say that so they'd have a great sound bite for TV he failed in that regard but Moroccan Arachne. Sorry say molar had refused. This was the only guy try swallow. I tried it earlier and it was Miller refused to do. I think that was very savvy. Well Yeah He. He that much still worked actually scored a huge win which smaller than had to retract so to recap what we've heard <hes> we have heard today that the president ordered former White House counsel Don mcgann to fire you the president ordered Don mcgann cover that out mccreadie false paper trail and now we've heard the president ordered Corey Lewandowski to tell Jeff sessions to limit your investigation that he you stop investigating the president. I believe result person looking at these facts could conclude that all three elements of the crime of justice have the met and I like to ask you the reason again that you did not indict Donald. Don't trump is because of oil see opinion stating that you can unindicted sitting president correct correct so there's Mueller actually saying contrary to what is in what is in the report that he did not indict the president because the office of Legal Counsel says you can't indicted sitting president he says yeah correct and then the second session the judicial oversight hearing before everything started he had a statement. I'm sure that the committee agrees now but assiduously intelligence I e intelligence yes well He. Here's how he started now before we go to questions I want at one correction to my testimony. This morning wanted to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr Lou who said and I quote you didn't charge the president because of the L._l._C. opinion that is not the correct way to say as we say in the report and then I said at the opening we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed committed a crime and without Mr Chairman Right answer questions so oh boo boo rookie mistake you've got schnookered into saying that and you didn't realize it and then someone man you're contradicting your own report. You GotTa you gotTa retract that the man was dazed and confused. It was ruled. It's cruel Andrew Weissmann not only did he set up this whole bullcrap thing he's he. He look you get to to you. Get Your Swan Song in America no matter what you did. This was the satis end for this guy because that he's he's toast. He'll be dead in a few years. He seventy four John Seventy eight looks ninety four. He Acts Tax Ninety. Four seventy four is not I mean that's an I'm sad for him but come on this say said it'd be looks like a corpse yeah so then there there were a couple walks like one to he walks with this kind of like do you you have to in fact. They had to make sure the audience didn't get because they didn't want to anyone touching him. You notice that both sessions did this as everyone sits. Stay seated. Stay seated do not move. I've never heard this before by the way let the let the witness leave. I think one of the most damning pieces of evidence that Mueller should not have been testifying there on the under any circumstances is the softball question from Democrat Representative Stanton thank you you're under Muller. I'm disappointed that some have questioned your motives throughout this process and I wanna take a moment to remind the American people of who you are and your exemplary service to our country you are a marine you served in Vietnam Tom and earned a bronze star and a purple heart correct correct which President appointed you to become the United States attorney for Massachusetts which senator which President which I think those President Bush according to my notes it was president. Ronald Reagan had the honor to visit my mistake. I think there's some things you remember if you still you'll have a long term memory I agree you would remember that it seems to me it seems to me is not Bush and there was a lot of action in between Reagan and Bush so one of the big questions was not his purview giving your twenty two months of us as a representative Stupa giving your twenty two months of investigation tens of million dollars spent and millions of documents reviewed. Did you obtain any evidence at all that any American voter change their vote as a result of Russians election interference speak to that you can't speak to that after twenty two months of investigation. There's not any evidence in that document before us that any voter changed their vote because of their interference and I'm asking you based on all the documents that the voice outside our purview Russian meddling was outside your view but the impact of that meddling was undertaken by other <hes> agencies yeah okay this. This was really really bad really bad poor guy curiously all the pundits the ones who took the hardest seemed to be the <hes> the Democrats M._S._N._B._C. for example. I don't have a clip lip but they were they. Were just beside themselves about what it's botched. This was I have <hes> do have one clip. Here's <hes> Chuck Todd on M._S._N._B._c. but he provided such what do you call it uncomfortable clarity approach as they were using him for clarity heat somehow fog it up but he he would do certain things and so look on optics. This was a disaster he directly. Yes Chuck Todd. It's all about the optics that was the whole point and they no. I don't think they knew the Democrats did not know what State Robert Mueller is in. They hid that from him from them and this is the result they I should've listened when did not know. Don't he's not going to testify. Don't let him testify. Yes we want them to testify at the here. Notice own mouth is was the ninety five Democrats many of them on these committees Swale yeah well Nadler the whole group of had voted for impeachment <hes> or they would actually wasn't impeachment vote. It was a vote to talk about impeachment they voted and if you voted yes that means we're not talking about it. They voted there on the impeachment side and all of them were on these committees most of them and obviously not all of them and there were the ones all in on this and there were the ones that kept bringing impeachment impeachment impeachment Ted lieu for example after the first <hes> go round was on C. Span just one of these round near. Everyone comes through when they say something. He's we have a felon in the White House. We have a felon in the White House that clip you WanNa hear it yeah. This play it. <hes> hold on that is what he believes that this tablet what we establish today in the hearing is that we have a felon sitting in the White House. Donald Trump committed multiple crimes social justice now what the American people and other members of Congress do with that went to see in the next few days but this hearing clearly establish relationship President ordered Don mcgann fire him that the president ordered Don mcgann to cover that up and creative falls paper trail and then the President Order Corey Lewandowski to get Jeff such to curtail investigation and then we went to great links to show how all those acts axe met every element of the crime obstruction of justice. That's what we establish today and then we also tampered with two witnesses those are all felonies and we hope the American people see this for what it is yeah. I do see it for what it is. Thank you representative Lou. <hes> we don't have a felon in the White House. We have a dementia patient in the witness box. It's cruel cruel cruel cruel and the worst is when it came to fusion G._P._S. Koop who who paid for in created this the WHO created the the steele dossier newly didn't even know what it was about. The name of that firm was fusion G._p._S. is that correct back and you're on page one zero three zero three. That's correct volume to when you talk about the the firm that produced the steel reporting the name of the firm that produced that was fusion G._P._S.. Is that correct. I'm not familiar with that. He was it's not it's not a trick question fusion G._P._S.. That's junket for me now. Here's the danger now go ahead. I some danger to point out. Go ahead with you. I play my this is a heard trump server question. I thought was worth of clipping heard. They got on eighties from Texas. He's our Republican from Texas Texas boy. We don't call him boy anymore. John on April Thirteenth Twenty eighteen gene mcclatchy reported that you had evidence Michael Cohen midday secret trip to Prague during the Twentieth Sixteen presidential election. I think he told the one of the committees in Congress that was incorrect. Is that story true. I can't oh I can't go into it. Got You. On I twenty sixteen slate published a report suggesting that is server at trump tower was secretly communicating with Russia's alfabank and I quote quote akin to what criminal syndicates do and do you know if that story is true. Do not do not do now whether it's true so did you not investigate these allegations which are suggestive of potential trump Russia because I believe not true does it would not be investigated and it may well have been investigated. Allow it my belief at this point not true yeah. It was just painful painful now. I forgot about this disgruntled allegation. That trump had a server up in trump tower that it was in direct communication with the Russians. Doing I think we were that time so we debunked that it was <hes> was a marketing servers that was is holding the images and all kinds of before you wrapped. I WanNa play this just because a bunch of people sent this send hey yet play this place because it's kind of like discussing our dimension dimension be. It's and I don't know why this is going on but all of a sudden they've decide. I think this is the get to get Nora O'Donnell because they know they can't techy your this. You are just countdown the days until they fire her. You're all over this. Here's what they're starting to do. Lester Holt came out at the end of his news presentation with an editorial and this is all fashioned. This is something you used to here with Eric several ride. This is the candidate stuff that goes band and Walter cronkite would do it this goes back and it makes it more interesting that Walter Cronkite I used to do because he's was C._B._S.. Along with Nora <hes> and that is doing a little editorial hit very short piece at the end and Lester Holt can do him and he does one here at which talks about dimension eight dimension be in his words which I thought was interesting acceptance. Lo Lot of our listeners thought it was cool and then I know that <hes> Muir can do them because I've seen him do some things like that so they both start start doing these as part of the formula because we all know the formulas copied happy by every you know everyone copies each other Nora's going to have to do one would be just priceless final thought as we end our broadcast tonight for two years this country has marked time around Robert Muller is four hundred under forty eight page written report. Please and disappointed others. If recent history is a guy today's testimony will offer the same. Maybe even reinforce the separate universes which we often exist but the matter is at hand viewed from any angle remain you too important to turn our backs on in other words if you don't believe trump's guilty you're in the wrong universe. No there's too well. Maybe I don't know what he's saying in just saying he is pretty important <hes> you even though everybody thinks they won although well I disagree. I don't think any any any Democrat that I saw speaking with certainly not M._S._N._B._C. C._N._N.. I didn't see anyone anyone to tell him they won or they did well or they got anything that they were sad hosting so they were sure no we had to seven hours of testimony three years of investigation four hundred fifty pages of a report and this is what we got the President committed the crime move obstruction. You could not publicly state that in your report or here today. Can you repeat the question Sir. Can you repeat the last part of that question yeah. Which ZAC can you read the last question I got it accurate? I'm sorry vigil is in fact obligated to provide west being demanded by the regulation or statute meaning that don't have any wiggle room right. I'd have to look more closely at the statute. I just read it to you and what was questioned her racks and where are you reading from. I'm reading for my question. Oh and then could you repeat it. Okay is that correct on the screen and can you repeat the question another. I have language on the screen. Is it correct. What was the question of pardon? Can you read the last question got it accurate. I Apologize Sweat. Could you start it again and sure I'm sorry. Could you repeat that one attorney number two in the Inspector General's report instruct both worked on your team didn't they pardon me. They both worked on your team didn't they. I heard struck who else we attorney number two identified in the Inspector General's report okay and the question was volume two page eighty seven in an idiot of your report. I'm sorry could you again. <hes> repeat the question. Admittedly he was doing some of this. I think to just run out the clock and just have less questions asked you know what pages that on. Tell me where we're we're GONNA go this is this is <hes> this was cruel. I have one final clip just to wrap this up. There lots of little gotcha is in there the great examples of omissions from the report things that are completely were not reported on in the report report not scrutinized but the one thing that I think you and I agreed upon was this whole idea of saying we could not was that we could not not exonerate the president because not not so l. not couple nuts so representative turner did something very mean but it was effective. I felt and he says look <hes> did you. I clipped us down as far as possible for context he begins ends by saying. Did you write this for the Attorney General Yeah. This is just a I'm sure he said. Can you repeat the question and they said yes. This is <hes> only internal document. This is for us so he didn't write this for the public at large now. No this is only only goes is to the attorney general and it was a report and that's all that it was and then the question comes up we'll. Why did you use this term? Exonerate which is not a legal term. Does the Attorney General have the power or authority cheap to exonerate not WANNA putting up. Here is the United States Code. This is where the attorney general gets his power and the constitution and the annotated vert cases of these which we've sorts we went to your law school because I went to Case Western but I thought maybe your law school teachers at differently and we got the Criminal Law Textbook From Your Law School Mr Muller Nowhere in these because we had them scanned. Is there a process or description on exonerate. There's no office of Exoneration Attorney General's office. There's no certificate at the bottom of his desk Mr for more. Would you agree with me that the attorney general does not have the power to exonerate. I'm going to pass on that. Why because embroil US political discussion not prepared to do a legal discussion in that arena Mr listen more you would you would not disagree with me when I say that there is no place that the attorney general has the power to exonerate and he's not been given that authority you would? I take a question well. The one thing that I guess is that the Attorney General probably knows that he can't exonerate either and that's the part that kind of confuses me because if the attorney general doesn't have the power to exonerate then you don't have the power to exonerate and I believe he knows he doesn't have the power to exonerate onerous and so this is the part that I understand if your report is to the Attorney General and the Attorney General doesn't have the power to exonerate and he does not any knows that you do not have that power. You don't have to tell William that you're not exonerating the president. He knows US already so then that kind of change the contact no we included in the report per exactly that reason he may not know any should know so you train bill bar believes it somewhere in the hallways is of the Department of Justice. There's an office of exoneration now. That's not what I said well. I believe he knows and I don't believe you put that in there for for Mr Bar. I think you put that in there for exactly what I'm going to discuss next and that is so the Washington Post yesterday when when speaking of your report the article said trump could not be exonerated of trying to obstruct the investigation itself trump could not exonerate now that statement is correct. Mr Mueller isn't it and that no one can be exonerated. The reporter wrote this. This reporter can't be exonerated. Mr Miller new can't be exonerated in fact in our criminal justice system. There is no power authority to exonerate. This is my concern this headline on all of the news channels while you were testifying today. Eh Muller trump was not exonerated. Mr What you know is that this can't say muller exonerated trump because you don't have the power authority's exonerated trump you had no more power to declare him exonerated than you have the power or to declare him Anderson Cooper and and of course he didn't write that he didn't write any of this. I think you're I think I'M GONNA stick. I'm with you on this. I think we're both wrong in one way. Although we may be misunderstanding the whole process we may actually be clueless because there may be a third dimension grew and I believe I'd captured this is a C._n._n.. This is the other C. C. Span Call Glen and this guy nails it the vast conspiracy in Phoenix. Here's James on our independent line good morning. Go ahead jams to thank you. I'm James Now in twenty sixteen during the election. I was watching everything the thing that eastern results and the Western results and Hillary was leading all the way up until eleven twelve o'clock sinclair Ari Fleischer would know ask this news boosting. They brought it and broadcast results late to me that denied the election there now I'm back. I cannot say anymore but check into the news people that they've done it before four several times cutting to think I trust C.. Span you guys know. Unfortunately I've got Robert Lord back and please trust this trust this. I UH-HUH I called the all others because I'm neither one but I support you so much. I hear from Andrew White Plains. Get Him off here. Here's the danger I'm going to. It's a danger and an opportunity since this is a big nothing it's it's fell flat and I haven't been monitoring everything this morning's. I'm not quite sure how they're trying to get out of it but if someone were to go so far to say <hes> we didn't realize that Robert Muller's actually suffering from some form of disease could be dementia could be something else we feel that based upon his his testimony based upon his appearance and his entire demeanor there is an absolute need now to appoint a new special prosecutor to do the investigation over again. It's a big Hail Mary but that is not going to happen. I can assure you first of all it had to get rid of Pelosi 'cause she would put a stop to because anything you know she's worse off than he is in some ways but now I think they're going to Pelosi is still the leader and she did make some commentary after I don't have it but you may some commentary after the event of because they brought up the impeachment thing again which is trying to get more numbers that impeachment group of Ninety Five Ninety one ninety five Democrats McGrath are just all in and she says well. We know what we're going to have to do. Did this doesn't end things we're just have to do. There's a lot of investigation that needs to be done into his holdings in Russia so they're going to bring in finance committees and some of these as other groups and they're gonNA. They'RE GONNA keep this up to really keep the pot-boiling this which he said GonNa keep the pot-boiling until the election because it's gonna I think I spotted a couple of new a new tricks they're trying to do you know you can't get rid of trump because we don't have enough Democrats in so we got more Democrats and because we're only ninety five <hes> got obviously it is ludicrous because there's no way inhale that seventy five senators senators of either party are going to vote for it so <hes> it's just a technique to just keep messing with trump and there's gonNA keep it up the they're not GonNa do what you said. That's that's out of the question. I said it's it's a took a hail Mary but I I don't even think they would attempt it because that would that would be the I roller of the decade. Nothing surprises me surprised me. Nothing surprises arises me crazy well. I don't know where it goes from here but it sure ain't <hes> references to muller in the man he remember how how how hopeful everybody was. I hope people realize realized that the Mullahs report by omission does say that the no agenda shows the best podcast in the universe refers. You get lost in this in this discussion. I know nobody brought it up at the meeting well. It's it's not his purview true true so <hes> so that's that you're right it was it was a fail epic cruel not fail it was cruel cruel towards this man and I am doing everything I can do to find as much as I can about Andrew Weissmann. This is the guy G- Weisman is the Weizmann is the guy probably is the guy I mean I'm GonNa go along with. It sounds San 'cause. It's obvious that Miller was just was. I didn't even know he was the editor of that the that document he wasn't nothing he was a figurehead. He he floated along did as he was asked. Remember when he read his his press statement we were ski. Who the hell wrote this? He was just reading took. No questions shuffled off stage. He could still read whenever he read a statement. It was good but the minute he had to think from self just fell down so so people were not informed about his capacity to be able to do this but that's why they had the backup guy. That's why they had the F._B._I.. Guy Sitting right there just in case keells over over. I'll jump in don't worry I'll I'll figure it out. I'll tell them what's going on that one of the best <hes> little soliloquies was newness. <hes> in the Intelligence Committee after <hes> Adam Schiff spoke newness spoke is the head of the Republicans night group and he had a very nice speech at one of the any was and people should go back. Just listen to a new necessitates very very well done I was. I was impressed with it well He. He knows a lot. I mean he's he's on top of it but he condemned that guy for being there the oh yeah the F._B._i.. Guy And you hear there was one point where Moore said well. I refer to you know my backup here F._B._i.. And I forget who was asking the question but he said if you oh mind I'm asking you the question you answer it as cruel cruel cruel very sad to see us like and I this is it's almost as bad as there's a Netflix documentary about Jane Fonda thank you turn me on a Jane. Fonda in five parts I think is what it's called Yeah and she goes to visit Ted Turner her ex-husband the Ted Turner Eighteen feet tall booming guy you know huge media magnet and he has dementia and she visited him in the desert and he's just shuffling along. He's a he's a shadow of inform over his former self. That's what I saw. I saw my Dad Robert Muller's my dad yes. It was cruel under your so emotionally emotional about it was cruel to see it anyway. We got some late breaking news this morning. Several sources tell us the initial report is Jeffrey. Epstein was found on the four and a cell in a fetal position semi-conscious with marks is to his neck investigators are trying to determine what happened Epstein inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center in one of the secure areas of the jail to sources say Epstein may have tried to hang himself a third source cautioned epsteins is injuries were not serious and questioned Epstein might be seeking some kind of transfer. This is a fourth source says an assault has not been ruled out that another man in the same area was questioned. Epstein was ordered held without bail since his arrest on the sex trafficking charges he asked to be housed in his upside mansion with an ankle bracelet and private boards but the judge said he was a risk of flight and a danger given the allegations he sexually abused underage girls. He has pleaded not guilty Epstein had been housed with a former cop and accused killer an attorney for that inmate says his client did not Attack Epstein that the to get along and that Epstein was seen today and appears to be fine. EPSTEINS lawyer did not return or call for comment as investigation very much underway at the M._C._c.. Now I saw a lot of tweets saying Clinton Body count like no no this. This is a this is a sad little man Dan who wants to get out he wants. He wants to stay at his house. He doesn't WanNA stay in jail. They're protecting this guy. This guy is not going to die jail I. I don't even believe that he has roommates in jail cellmates. I don't believe it for or a second. He tried to strangle himself or whatever to make it look bad and then lays down on the flu so dangerous. I have to go now now. Now now now the Real Clinton bodycount apparently Lee was upped one in Austin instant and this is a story that has been doing the rounds for the past couple of days. I have no I mean it comes from true pundits so that should tell you enough enough repeated by many people true pundit but apparently Salvator Cincinnati former Wall Street blaker who joined the F._B._i.. And Twenty ten killed himself on the dance floor at an Austin nightclub club on so last Saturday with a whole bunch of F._B._i.. Partying with him immediately they they they all started telling everyone to delete photos and videos off of their phones and there was no no reporting on this in any Austin's local media to I don't know if it's true but these murder in town and then nobody reported in Austin very sketchy but this is one of the guys who was investigating the Clinton Foundation. He's he's a he managed the F._B._I.'s Financial Crimes Program for the northeast region so you know why why is the no reporting on it. I don't know it could be completely bogus. Possibly I have not seen anyone speak about it publicly. There's lots of little bits and bobs in the article so called quotes from people <hes> but that that's always sketchy killed. He's committed suicide on the dance floor. Yeah we'll that you want to make these to be as ludicrous possible say so you can say look see what happened him exactly the circumstances exactly who got caught for that. Nobody can happen to you to win. Wake <hes> wake surfing with the former new banker on Monday. No you're right what life is when you have a friend who has a boat to go wake surfing behind having a boat and doing all that seems like it horrible horrible deal but we boats are just the real waste of money but we were talking about two things one you know he's a big fan of modern monetary theory and he says he says do you want proof that modern monetary theory monetary theory modern the monetary theory monitor monitor new modern was he says just look at the trump tax cuts says nothing happened. We didn't fall apart. Everything just went on as as scheduled another three hundred twenty billion he says makes no difference. The economy will or the the paper economy will continue to look fantastic. Everything's GonNa keep rocking ED I. I'm going to see him tonight. It's his birthday and I'm going to ask him if he thinks that we could a print a trillion a year for health care for all. I think I know his answer. It's like a does not matter says there's no proof anymore. In modern monetary theory that <hes> that just printing money will screw us now. It's not the same for every country in fact probably none other than the United States because of the infrastructure of our money and then he went on to say this I thought was was a big one was blown away. He said you know a Deutsche Bank. Finally hit the skids. I said Yeah I know that the the used to work there he says the big ones going to be next to really say oh yeah. This is going to be a big big bank and a fail. Oh which one it is because you you will not believe it when you hear it. McKay will not wells Fargo or Bank of America Not Retail Bank Goldman. He says Goldman is in Trouble Aw God this grid is in trouble. I will Goldman would should have been in trouble. The I go round in two thousand seven win. Leeman and bear bear are stearns right <hes> went out of business and Goldman was the third was the third peer net tried to these companies three major comedies Lehman Brothers bear stearns and Goldman Sachs Axworthy big <unk> three of the big Morgan Stanley's than other one at his others but when those two went out of business and nobody believed that was going to happen especially bear stearns when you had Jim Kramer yelling and screaming on his show about all bear stearns is fine <hes> roller harassment people can still dredge up. Apparently they're not so fine anymore. Well a lot of people at the time to hearkening back to two thousand seventeen thousand eight crash crash a lot of people at the time felt that Goldman should have been one of one of the want to go down right well. He says these things to me with the reason and of course we can talk about on the show. Yeah anyone knows knows how to make money off of that. Information was long put for Goldman. It's not that hard to find. Oh speaking of such. Did you Andrew Talk about snap on Tuesday on the show. No so we had a couple of weeks ago we were just playing some clips talking about <hes> yes talking about advertising and how and what power the advertisers have and played this clip from the C._E._o.. Of W._p._p.. Largest advertising advertising conglomerate there is in the CEO was going on and on and on about snap snap is is oh it's going to be the thing and turn around and it's great and they got new technology in this great partnerships and I hope someone was listening. Yeah and I hope they donate to the show. 'cause that thing went up five bucks did they earnings specifically revenues crushed it. We know we straight from the Guy I ho- yeah well. I looked we getting years N._F._l.. Obscure clips that we dig up now is an obscure clip. Let me tell you what you call it information as valuable to people's lives in many away not financially being only one of them yeah yes psychological goes to maintain we do yeah. This is just an ancillary benefit but I was actually thinking someone would would right in with a donation saying. I heard you guys none of that. In fact that typical they keep it yeah exactly typical what else we got got. I got a pet peeve. GonNa play the end of this. Tell me if you can figure out the pet peeve hold on the name pet peeves called chance to gator and it's about an alligator that they give the put they put this gator into a special facility because he was biting or something. I don't know what the ended the report and and I want to see if you can spot the pet peeve because this is this is a professional professional announcer. Play POW CHANCES NAPA will call the Saint Augustine alligator farmers zoological park home to five foot long reptile Macau will be quarantined in a pool until it's health is assessed. Hold on. I WANNA get your P.. Right now. Chances Napa will call the Saint Augustine alligator farmers zoological park home. Yeah I got it. It's not zoological. It's zoological exactly John's board accident. Always GonNA listen twice. The little peeves peeves little peeves exactly try. I got a couple of things you know. I didn't come through. I C zero zero on there. I have some interesting stuff. If you have time for this just go. This is part of a six clip rundown. I only have a couple of them. I didn't put the whole thing together sure but I want you to play this. This is measles. One Sierra Walker's death wasn't a homicide. She was just dug out of a shallow grave. She didn't fall in their playing hopscotch. Well never put her in. There didn't kill her and Steph elitest did swelling of the brain brought on by measles. Are you sure it's measles. No signs of abuse neglect no bruises or abrasions either. Her teeth weren't in great shape but mostly from a diet hyon sugars. That's it but measles. How does that happen this day and age? She wasn't vaccinated okay. This is clearly lear Hollywood foundation co-authored script what find series there was this taken from this S._V._U.. As law and order played measles clip for cut my neighbors call you. Why would they do that because they are upset at the choices at made for my family not vaccinating yourself put my son at risk because big Pharma and their latkes in the media try and jam vaccination down our throats? Even if that puts him at risk plump risk he had measles two weeks ago and immune system he was born with kicked ten and now he's fine. The Sierra Walker isn't fine. She's dead after being infected by your son. Oh man lock him up by punchline. Measles is one of the most communicable diseases on the planet. It stays in the room for up to an hour after the infected person has left. It's transmittable from up to two hundred yards away. I thought measles had been eradicated. It was but right now. England has a measles epidemic because people are refusing to immunize themselves and their children and the last serious outbreak here in the early nineties that to one hundred twenty three deaths in unvaccinated children. Why would people choose choose not to vaccinate their children again something so dangerous the most common reasons are for religious beliefs or suspicion about the science behind immunization is the science behind immunization faulty absolutely not what tasteless is totally preventable with the vaccine not being immunized is irresponsible despite any side effects from the vaccine there is a minimal risk but it's more dangerous to drive a car than to take the vaccine? These were to the day clips from ten years ago two thousand nine Goodwa. The acting is the same as today the acting justice crappy but it's actually I think it may have been worse but this is obviously the foundation script and this was the cycle is ten years measles cycle they they ramp up all this bull crap and they throw not at the public as hard as they can. I could have got pulled down twelve or more clips because there is a whole slew of these clips that we ran from and these are on the show by the way of in July and August of two thousand nine which is ten years ago and that was as the then now now that was a good one. You know they could easily do another script for the H._p.. Vaccine which now apparently Gardasil as that's Merck I guess is recommending that really everyone get the H._p.. Vaccine for cured immunity hurt him you talking about I'm not kidding. They wanted this. We need to create herd herd immunity to H._p.. Everybody not just girls girls boys babies old people Robert Mueller. Everybody should have the H._p.. Vaccine what do you got to lose people. It's unbelievable a good one John and with that I'd like to thank you for your Kurds in say in the morning to you. 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Yeah sure Anthony <hes> trash grinch Barrena the Philippine I I see Trust Trust Mitch G Trust Munish Trust Niche Trust Mitch Trust any reason the Missouri actually three one five to two in popular poplar bluff poplar Sir Anthony Trust <unk> Niche Baron of the Philippines here saying thank you for the jobs Carmont worked in here. I am again requesting baby making Karma. Make it the goat kind a no agenda meet up in Saint Louis by the way no agenda it is listed the end of the next donation segment will mention at a sixty nine jingle and Putin connection at the end in. I am out skis outskirts. Maybe someone maybe someone can send me the the Putin connection. I know exactly what it is. It's Rainbow Connection. I think Chris Wilson did I can't find it or mislabeled visit. It's some I'll find it the Russian connection but I do have to you've got baby. Making Carmen does get much better. The net thank you very much to our baron of the Philippines doesn't get much better than that really sir job. You hope you one oh biondi of <hes> week bog it. I'm guessing this in Wadsworth Ohio which is not wicked pod woogie pod we pod two hundred seventy one dollars eleven cents. He'll be associate. Executive producer shows eleven fifty eight Sir job iwon of a wikipedia dog here and I've changed spelling of my name from Job Awan so it's easier to pronounce glass just like the Guy from Star Wars Adam asking you laugh a couple of butts slam some pup- use who's a rosy own yet yet yen mash up in pregnancy goat conference got well hold on a second we have two executive producers and two of them ask for the exact same goat Karma for baby making shaking. I'm an old millennial thirty six and watch with closed captions on because I grew up with the deficit I learned to ignore it. However it became useful when shows like modern family in the office started having people L. Whispering key plot points or jokes that you'd completely miss without it interesting? I've received more email about <hes> the the closed captions than anything else this week. I want to say something. We stumble when to start. You found this. You've discovered his at the house. They're used to kept seeing this year the millennia the millennial stepdaughter yeah well it seems yeah. I think this is a big deal. Thank you thank you thank you thank you well. It is it is there are some articles maybe one or two I think wired has done a little piece but everyone has different reasons and a lot of it is oh here's one that I hadn't heard s because we all grow up watching anime to all right my millennial mom millennial doesn't watch anime is from something else whatever it is it. There's different reasons. I still think there's an auditory processing issue at hand I die. You might be right about that. Oh really you're coming back to my side. You were saying had two little bit. Yeah Okay I was thinking is just deaf jeff from going to too many rock concerts because people don't understand ear protection anymore. There's no one goes to rock concerts anymore CIA they do they go to low bars as worse they go small bar scenes not a rock concert. They go a small bars. That have loud bands all right so we're we're saying maybe that's not it. which is what I was saying? I think they can't process it anymore. It's possible all right. Let me finish finish the note here so he says however became useful when the shows like modern modern family and office started having people whispering key plot points. I've never had this problem hearing these people whispering key plot again a lot of issues with audio setups with people using Bluetooth sound bars. There's tons tons of problems that could be introducing these issues and I think at some point is just the lazy decide. I got other things to do. I'm looking at things I want to catch up. It's multitasking whatever it is. I'm actually see reading this book <hes> about how the Internet is changing our brains. There's a lot going on. We still have tailbone so I don't think we know exactly what's happening now. I I digress onward. Yes onward John John as right as you usually are. I'm sorry I read that again. Yes John has right as you usually are. You're bitter intonation. You're pretty brave. Sticking with this Hillary Twenty yeah still sticking to it and I will say I'm GonNa Bring in another variable. Somebody pointed out to me that when bill ran in one thousand nine hundred ninety two he stayed out of the race there was everybody's going to disguise gonNA run that guy's GonNa rent until October dumb right before the election. You mean no before October the year before year before okay all right well. We're in a very early cycle here so there's no reason for October it beckons <hes> and she can still jump in so until after his November then a polar all right now she's she's out <unk> good e- continues with she couldn't beat allowed mouse ego maniacal non-political real estate mogul even with the sheepish group think of our population centers and Google's L. Goes on her side. She had everything going for her and still couldn't win even though nobody wants I I want this for you so you can avoid the embarrassment of another Jeb Bush incident. Please clap also the word that makes the most send your cataract analogy from the last show is extrapolate your interpolate when something is inside the realm of known data so if you're I was interpolated leading something that was blurry it would fill in the blanks with normal data. I E to arm tennis player. If you're I added a third arm to Serena Route Williams that would be an example of extrapolation your eye filling an image that is outside outside of the boundaries of normal data. I will look into these definitions. Yes I think you guys. I think you've just gotTa microdosing a little less. That's that's my thought you guys keep kicking ass and keeping US producer sane. Maybe a northeast Ohio meet up Ohio gets a bad reputation but it's extremely cheap living and for the most part we still have very balanced constituency Z.. People can still disagree with each other without rioting industry. Oh just wait for it yet. You'll get it happens later now. Nick v from Medina is a douchebag in leveraging the shows about. I'm very happy about the meet UPS. I've taken off like they they have. I can't wait for my first one. You're faithful slave surge OBI wan of week bog oh you oh God the Karma we finally ever last associate executive producer. We got one into <hes> anonymous two hundred bucks anonymous. Please hello a Bene- douchebag for a while. My brother Andrew hit me in the mouth and the media news dissection you performance fantastic. I've sent emails back and forth with Adam recently. Regarding the state of police work in American is promises though there's a concerted effort by the powers that be to have an anti law enforcement position bordering on a lawless society. That's the local D._A.'s that had been placed in by Soro the Soros Oros <unk> Soros sisters one of my and this is going on everywhere. A one of my usual encounters at work is African American people screaming at me while doing my job in saying we are killing them when I tell them there's been a price only twenty five hundred shooting six hundred murders in the city in the police only account for approximately twenty five and six to ten murders every year I get puzzled looks. It's almost as though there's been someone propagating the ally to them and almost creating more hostile interaction because now people are thinking dissuade could be legitimately or people thinking this way could legitimately be afraid for their lives when encountering the police and making things more dangerous for both officer in citizen when tensions rise they servicing you guys do from slow drama Gras. You know this has been going what we're seeing now and you've probably saw the videos from New York City where people people just throwing water at the cops dumping. What have you seen this in New York City in Brooklyn in Harlem on water on cops for because the cops are they're? They're doing the traffic stop. One cops don't traffic stop in the residents just come out and just have buckets full of water and start throwing it on them. Why is because it's fun and the cops can't do anything and the cops just stand there get Taos and then they slowly walk away to their car and they drive off? It's happening everywhere. New York is wrong with those people. Don't want cops around their neighborhood. Is that the idea that would be fun to watch. Well remember that Mayor De Blasio continuously tells people how dangerous the cops really are because he has a black sun remember and so he keeps saying Oh no the cops are dangerous and eighth but this is this goes. This has been brewing for a long time with any type of first responder responder bad Chad Aaron in Boulder Colorado. Did he's an e._M._t.. He's helping someone who's been shot or has some other medical emergency in the crowd around will start to taunt him and throw stuff at Adam just because you have a uniform. It's like now you'd you'd just horrible and you've got to see some of these videos. It's mind boggling. The restraint that these to law enforcement officers were showing is is astronomical and this is a societal pro- problem that needs to be address. It'll be addressed one way or the other. I'll tell you but it ain't going to be pretty now. This is subversive breath again. You know it's the it's the Soro sisters and the other things going on with the district attorney's in the various cities so has guy just broke broke my window of my car. Shit Nasr stole something from the Carton S._O.. What that's what goes on San Francisco right now? The cops have to ignore it but you know the black lives matter movement not so much the black black lives matter movement but the media attention around it and the blatant statistical lies that we're told has given the impression that cops kill black people and that they're doing it for fun and then they're racist I and they just want to go out there and kill black people. That's that's what people have been told over and over and over again and now you see and the videos that I've seen predominantly black residents doing this throwing buckets at the at the cops the empty bucket and his head and the copy of the cop just okay all right and you just walks away gets in his car and drives off and this is this this goes back to the nineties nineties when I was in New Jersey and at work out with officer Bob and Kenny the firemen and he would say you know I go to save someone in east orange which is a hellhole go to say someone Dinkins era. No no no. I'm <music>. I'm not that old wasn't it wasn't just go back to buy Koch or anything. Rudy Giuliani cleaned everything up. I don't know what he did with everybody but they threw him in the East River for this was east orange. New Jersey was nothing to do with New York. Yeah I always felt the whole thing was an area right problem would go on Tristate area. I'm sure but he go and save someone from a burning building and the the refrigerator's booby-trapped is blowing up in his face. It's people are crazy now anyway yeah so I feel for our anonymous donor. It sounds like he's a he or she is a law enforcement officer her and the statistics have been skewed and the the media has done a huge disservice to the citizenry at large for propagating really what are lies now are there are there cops who for racist sure as lots and lots of racism everywhere of course now the cops that are trigger-happy. Oh by the way you know one of the rookie cops who got the water thrown on them's Asian which is different in America and I need to point out when you say in America Asian we think of Chinese we think of <hes> <hes> from the Far East when you say Asian in the U._K.. It means Muslim Pakistani typically but that's just their word plus south station yeah but they don't say Asian and you know what you're talking about anyway. It's very bad trend very very bad trend. It's just GonNa get worse this great policies. Yes well on that note. I WANNA thank the Associate Executive Producers Executive Producers Reducing show eleven fifty eight. Yes thank you it's it's always a little bit disheartening when when you see everything's just this this not so much the numbers but the amount of people donating is just just low. I can look at the spreadsheet. It comes in like this just not a lot of lines on that spreadsheet but these people did help us out. These are real titles that they can use Sir Anthony can use of course foresees already Barron but he can now probably display. He is the executive producer of episode. One thousand one hundred fifty eight of the no agenda show answer job Awan and anonymous can claim the associate executive producer ship and you can use those titles everywhere everywhere valuable they actually do work help people get work and jobs and sounds like anonymous. Maybe looking for a different job soon and we'll be thinking more people fifty dollars and above in our second segment again. Thank you for supporting the program valuable element of our value for value system system this no advertising no corporate money. It's all you. It's your podcast. You're the producers and we'd like you to support us for another trip around on Sunday dot org slash and a showing you everything about the mall report what you need to know. Propagate are formula is this we go out for hit. People in the mouth breath before we fear to off too far off <hes> I do have a truth wants to to come out clip always favorite always available especially for you and this is Rod Rosenstein who I didn't know is married to an Armenian woman in as giving a speech before the Armenian Bar Nestle shoe is Rod Rosenstein again. Rod Rosenstein is the guy that was the acting attorney general who hired molar now La Vega well. I'm just asking to make sure we all know if I don't remember who will know you do remember so here he is. He's The cocky lucky guy that was behind you know behind when barking I'd give a speech and he was guy standing there on the right just stone-faced <hes> so he gives his speech and this is a good one but organization within thousand employees her free he nonetheless we have serious professional internal watchdogs we investigate credible allegations of wrongdoing and we punish mistakes we punish wrongdoers can we correctly states payments we punish wrongdoers and we correct mistakes. He says would the true trying to come out. We punish mistakes of an organization thousand employees her free nonetheless nonetheless we have serious professional internal watchdogs we investigate credible allegations of wrongdoing and we punish mistakes. We punish wrong correct good catch. Eh I love it when that happens. That's usually funny punish mistake so co bear <hes> announced with Glee that his old boss and Buddy John Stewart was successful. I would like to remind everybody everybody that the <hes> the legislation passed was the nine eleven victim's compensation fund it goes towards a descendants <hes> for the next seventy years lots of people but <hes> the the the vast majorities descendants of those deceased and the way the numbers were calculated was based upon your general income at the time of <hes> that you are injured or contracted cancer or any of these other her issues that are now associated with nine eleven in New York. If you're making <hes> forty grand a year as a first responder you'll get a multiple of that for multiple years or your descendants will. You were a hedge fund manager you making a million dollars a year. Get a multiple of that so seems kind of unfair. I don't know maybe Wall Street. Guys are just worth more life in general but of course the misnomer continues to that I just I found on just a little while ago this afternoon noon that the you guys know the the nine eleven first responders bill that's been languishing in Congress for years it just pass this afternoon. It secures what's great about this bill secures for the first responders who rushed down to those burning towers funding through twenty ninety two and living thing here of until twenty ninety two and of course in twenty ninety-three Mitch McConnell will have to reauthorize the vote was ninety seven to two with only Mike Lee and ran poll voting themselves into the Dustmen History Three program people are Oh yeah. I know it's pathetic so they all believe now. We're no one has an idea of course it was continuously promoted as the first responders bill but it's it's not it's not it's not it's not it's for all victims and actually I think it's kind of racist. This whole thing is racist. If you're in the towers or you were first responder I can tell you most of the first responders the majority Jordy were white or white skinned. If you were Katrina your black you don't get any money for the rest of your life. Even though that was a government mess up now there's tons of things that happen to people shitty things happen the lots of people but for some reason we need to be paying for this for the next night almost one hundred the benefit of few I think may have stumbled onto just in your normal analysis. It may be just a kind of a <hes> relief fund first stockbrokers well and again the the big issue at the time when an E._S.. It ran out but Kobe kind of makes it sound like they never got any money. Now they've been the money has been going out for quite a while at the fund is empty seven point six billion that we know of but the Los Angeles Times has actually thirty eight billion has already been paid but at the time that this started up it was about people suing the airlines and the the airline industry would be out be sued out of existence and if you sign this if you sign onto the victim's compensation fund then you cannot sue the airlines or anyone else you've you signed an agreement treatment for that Kounose who knows but it just doesn't seem fair but if you call it first responders bill and they were getting screwed me I guess in his fair then all of us. That's not what it was at the same time. The first it's responders are getting water thrown on him in New York so I don't know I'm very confused about the state. You're my what you want. Damn it found a clip okay I wanted. I want you to put this clip into the evergreen been okay. We talked about this. When the Metoo Movement I began <hes> and <hes> it was the clip from Elisa Schlesinger the comedian talking about it's okay to be sexually really harassed? If these guys good-looking the comedian comedian comedian yes she did on themselves comic which is actually something that I want to restate that when the me to the Hashtag Metoo came around you had a couple apple of examples I think we talked about it. Was Your beat saying that yeah. It's it's. It's never a problem when the guy harassing the woman is hot guy but tip is right and here's an example being sexually harassed asked is the worst. Let me rephrase that being sexually harassed by an ugly guy is the worst he's hot. It's just playing flirting ever been like getaway for me you model that's fine now. What are you bring this up again? Well because I was proud of myself for final. It's the only reason the Bob Muller of clips keep digging and digging and found it all right I got I got a pet peeve. I got a this. This one really pissed me off. I I despise abusing children for any kind of political issue great defunct Greta Thunberg is in my mind and abused child who is being propped up <hes> she hasn't medical issues news is being propped up to promote the green new deal and climate crisis etc always always bringing in children always over the backs of children. The New York Times did one of the most I stink well. They did something thing really disgusting. They did a video of American citizen children citizens of the country I presume and their age between five and I'd say about twelve or thirteen and they had these children on video read notes apparently notes from children who are in the Donald Trump ripped away from your mother cages drinking from the toilet children now do I for a second believed that these the actual notes from these children no but this is what they created and this is just a short piece of this whole six minutes came to the U._S.. Because there were people who wanted to. I heard us. I'm hungry clint all the time. I'm so hungered that woken up in the middle of the night with hunger and too scared to ask the officials for any more food. There isn't a water or soap to wash our hands after we use the bathroom. We have to ask for toilet paper. If we wanted me my sister and I hold a blanket up for one another snow and can see us go to the bathroom. I am five years old. I am from on Doris. I avenue. I am frying from to Adore Asian separate me from my he dad. I have not seen my father again. I was wet when I got here in was placed in the cage without being given dry close. It is so cold Irish shaking so hard. I'm the thirteenth girl who has tried to take care of this little two year old boy I feed him and give him water. I also take care of another little kid. She Calls Me Mama. She's six years old. There's no room to move without stepping over the others. We're not giving a map to sleep on so we had to sleep on the cold concrete floor. The lights are on all the time we cannot fleet every fifteen to twenty minutes. The guards are yelling something get up. We spend all day and now we day inside of that. <hes> there are no activities only crying. It's unbelievable not only do I not believe this good. They've now traumatized twenty other children to believing how horrible and it it. I'm sure it's picnic but this is not the way to go about doing these things and that it's despicable. You know what maybe we're stupid. You're stupid Johnny. No we're down associate that way. Now we're okay. We need to have children asking for donations on our show. ooh please John Sleep. We have our number of <hes>. We have plenty of talent out there that can record if you ditties for us children begging for money for the no agenda show because it's horrible horrible how bad things are exactly so if if if if we're just miserable onto this is it we could actually start an AD agency. That's it exit strategy yes but the bunch of very talented talented area dyke kids. This is a great idea. Yes what we call a kids for cash or cars for kids. It's it doesn't don't sing. Don't the thing it'll be my head for the rest of the week. No don't do that. We use a jingle too yeah we need to do this. This is where we're going. This is a great idea and then editions are underway then and then the newsletter you can do it with crayons and I'm sure it will work is clearly this is this is the way to go and for those of you who are childless. If you can do something cute with your dog. That's fine too. We'll take shake it. There's some interesting developments in California in San Diego specifically regarding the e scooters annual COMECON was a big hit and San Diego over the weekend but after it was over I mean the cleanup crews needed to move more than twenty five hundred electric scooters many just blocking wheelchair ramps sidewalks busy downtown streets the city's imposing a sixty five dollar fine for each abandon scooter and that's adding up to more than two hundred thousand dollars for the companies including bird line left right here what we get the companies have until the end of the month to pick up the abandoned scooters and pay those fines. I don't know why there wasn't a plan in place well. There's more going on with these. In the San Diego Area Specifically Pacific Beach Two guys have come up with a great scheme and if it's one that would be a great exit strategy they now go around around tube any resident or any business as a couple hotels <hes> anywhere that these scooters 'cause you know the way it works is a scooters just lay left lane around. It's illegal to leave them in the middle of the sidewalk. There's designated parking spots for them if you don't put them in the designated sparking parking spot or you know in front of a a wheelchair ramp or businesses door they are effectively parked illegally and bylaw just as if someone parked illegally in the parking garage you can have them towed so these guys are going around. They were ever a scooter has been left. Illegally they pick it up. They registered the number they impounded they take it to their air to their tow yard and they charged lime bird lift Uber Razor all these companies thirty dollars pickup fee and two dollars per day for housing and it's working and there's no legal recourse. They're making tens of thousands thousands of dollars a day during this bounty hunters basically alike it. This is what tow truck guys do has the Repo. There's a lot easier you kidding me. This is a business. I mean if I didn't have if I wasn't a podcast art considered doing it downtown Austin to me. This is money money in the bank yeah you could do you have what you way would do it to be on the safe side to make sure there's a thing is violating you. Take a picture of it and then you'd record the number that you throw it in the truck and then you go to the next one and do the same thing over and over again you pick up probably <hes> you could pick up a hundred day <hes> as three thousand dollars a day in in fees right there. Yes I'm telling you this is a moneymaker. These guys are raking it in yeah yeah as a now of course of course the companies are trying to sue the trying to sue them which they do anyway but the the law needs to be changed which they can't do. I mean this is property rights. You Park your stuff on my hotel driveway done. It's impounded ended up taking it away you parked illegally and on the sidewalk done take it away and they have a little APP and they they take a picture of the they actually have a little citation. A little right up immediately goes off to the owner which is one of these companies genius. That's America baby. We fight back. We fight back in mysterious ways. I love us for that sounds very workable. Anywhere yeah precisely especially is probably mostly workable in towns at our plagued with these things and that would be San Diego Austin San Francisco San Francisco not so much because San Francisco's a hilly town and so you can really only have a certain areas where useable so we don't see too many of them San Francisco but there are they are in Oakland in a few of them Berkeley but not nothing like what you guys have no. It's it's a mess now. Our mayor wrote an op-ed the Mayor Adler and he said well you know really we. We need affordable housing. That's going to solve it here. In <hes> in Austin the homeless situation the homeless the homeless they need affordable housing affordable housing and of course this is a lie because the affordable housing if you do you create affordable housing the people who live in it will be the ones gentrifying Austin. I e the underpaid low-value tech workers. There's no tech worker here of high value. These are the people that you know the people jobs are all in the cheap state native Texas <hes> particularly for Labor. They'll they will be the ones get moving into the affordable housing the as we discussed many times that people on the street they that's where they're they're Li life is their life is in general drugs and drugs are on the street. How many examples are there? You give someone affordable housing you put them up. Put them in a house and within a few months back on the street but I realized something in this <hes> in this op Ed that the whole homeless or as the Mayor Kept Writing People experiencing homelessness is a misnomer and bullcrap they are une housed home the word the home nowhere in the definition of the word home. Does it equate a structure or a house. This is why we say home is where the heart is. These people have homes. It's under thirty five. It's in the in the bushes in the campy in the encampment. They have homes. It's houses. They don't have you ever think about that is brought this up before and it's one of those things that I don't think eventually did yes you. Have you have brought this exact same issue before recently taken. I'm taking a more shoot taken. A Muller couple shows ago. You brought it up and dead fact that you ask me. Do I think about this. I can say no all right. Thanks and onward remove. I got an interesting note from one of our producers and he said and bring it up here. He said Adam a bit behind on the podcast but I believe you said in the last three episodes that A._O.. See Hates America during the discussion bit about her testimony slash questioning of the Department of Homeland Security <hes> <hes> the director rector. This is the first time I've ever gotten that vibe that no agenda is biased or trump apologist and I'd like to know why you said it A. O. C. from that clip was indeed a dumb ass and she's questioning the guy and has no idea what to do if if he didn't answer with what she was expecting but how do you draw conclusion that she hates America and so instead of disregarding this momentary muller moment I just had I said I'm pretty sure I have never said she hates America. It's a Republican talking point. It's I've heard it on Fox News a lot but so I sent back I said please send me a time code because I need to no because if if true than I am susceptible to these talking points and they're creeping in and I can't believe I said it will he comes back and he says well no I I went and listened. It was actually <hes> from a clip so what else on the clips at it and I was shopping at the time I was listening so I didn't have my full attention sounded like was a comment that you stated on your own given the tone it seemed to be you're angry tune rather than your mocking tone and then he goes on to say I only consume assume media through read it top posts and no agenda. This should mean that I've never heard this quote outside of no agenda. No this is rampant on red and this is what happens people start seeing and hearing earing things Yup and I want to bring your attention to it because when you're not focused this is this is very disturbing that these talking points. This is not the first example of this. Do you have another example or no. I don't because I wasn't expecting it but we've had this happened before you. We've had letters would go back and forth. I never said that yeah you did know what they give me a time code that he can't find it. Yeah exactly this is not uncommon. It's just surprising how deep these talking yourself with Israeli moon basis by the way well. Hello don't get me started because you don't get me started I okay. I don't want to get you start. I want you to finish your thought ought which was this is disconcerting because is disconcerting with a t and Sir. Does it concerning you say a lot I I do say disconcerting and I don't think that's correct word no as but the tea is silent. There's no end near the tea in disconcerting oracle well. I just wanted to bring people's attention to it because <hes> these these talking points they really do seep in. I and I don't think it makes a difference if you're watching any whatever outlet but particularly read it I mean that's a cesspool of talking points so just be careful. Be on the lookout for the talking. Maybe we should do a talking point segment from time to time so we can just point them out what these talking points are all we do yeah but but identified is such a people can arm themselves against them. I don't know if you arm yourselves against good ones especially did turn into memes. We're pretty good as I guess like Adamant Adam Adam Adam. It's like <hes> <hes> Scott Adams and his one you know conceit his he figures as a victory that Jay debunked Charlottesville bad people on both sides right and does not it doesn't stay on nowhere it can't it can't because it's it's it's in the history books forever and there's there's a number of these that we fight on this show constantly. All we fight the red line stories about the gassing of the Syrians canisters that could possibly come from the Syrian army or still credited to them all the gas their own people we that's useless. You might as what's the point. If I GNAT is not gonNA ever change anything but you see keeps getting repeated repeated repeated and let's go into something else. That's going to be history very shortly because everyone's going to believe this. This is from season two of the good fight which is on C._B._S. access. It's the spin off of the good wife and they because on C._B._S.. Access a which is kind of like a cable channel for C._B._S.. They play dramas and things that they wouldn't get on the network because they're not good enough or they or their off the off the rails. Let's start with C._B._S.. Good fight one who we think you're being deported for political reasons Mr Trump. He doesn't want me here. He sends me about the Russia. They will come who will kill you Putin because of this tape the people take so you're accusation is a you were videotaped audiotaped urinating Mr trump in Moscow hotels sweet sweet. You urinated on the bed where Obama's lent yes not know who's what okay then trump to this. I am not political. I have not issues with American politics. I only wish to stay in America. I want to stay in school. What he's studying hotel management? Wait a minute. This is a recent since television show episode season two from last year. Oh my goodness how come you didn't catch it last year well. I don't watch shit like this well. You know what you get for Shit like this is a big old co T._d.. And I'm afraid you have more. I am fortunately do have more now the way the story goes. I'm GonNa tell you the stories that goes women comes. She wants to get <hes> she's GonNa be deported forgetting a traffic ticket or beaten beating somebody but she peed on the bed for trump and she realized that she's being deported because of that on the bed and by the way pete on the bed too if I'm sorry no no I demand replay it. It was so good being deported for political reasons Mr Trump. He doesn't want me here. He's about to Russia. They will come who will kill you Putin because of this tape the take your accusation is you were videotaped urinating Mr Trump in Moscow hotel room suite. Excuse me hotel suite urinated on the bed where Obama slant te but I did not know who slept there then trump ers Julius. I'm not political. I have no issues with American politics. I only wish to stay in America. I want to stay in school what he's studying hotel management. Take the that's funny line by Hotel Manager. Wow that's crazy okay so they go to <hes> they got they. I think is project Veritas Toss than they verify that it's not and so they're looking and they verify to this. This is where the the one of the researchers from the law firm go over to kind of look at the garbage and spy on the woman thinking this. She's followed her and she went home. She didn't go to the project Veritas and she has nothing to do is project Veritas. She gets caught in the hallway with the garbage and now we bring a new character in we have the Russian girl who's roommate is Miss Haiti. After meeting. I followed Misako off off and she didn't go to project Veritas. She went home. Then did the surprise you know what surprised me is. Her roommate is Rachelle. Donna Brazile Miss Haiti from a previous year. She says she introduced her to trump at the after party and there was no camera in her purse. How much of this is true passing stories checking out MS Haiti? The same country trump called shit home. This is fantastic. Oh Wow okay. Don't tell me you have more you. Oh yeah two more. No I know they're bringing everything they can't. They're dumping. Every bullshit bullshit maimed they can dump into the storyline as though it's all true and so they bring an F._b._i.. person in to try to see this girl's telling the truth and they have this F._b._i.. Discussion but before they do that they bring in a Democrat Pratt strategists about what to do 'cause they're going to get a hold of this tape by the way and all watch it does exist so anyone watching the show probably believes this. You know it's existing because they're showing it now. Ours they bring in a democratic strategist and I think this is the funniest part because the Democrats strategists poop Uis the whole thing saying it'll be just a short part of the and this Democrat strategists is so reasonable. It's beyond belief. Let's let's say you're client. Talks to report is about this golden tower tape. You might win one new cycle you might if you're lucky but the stories will be about how desperate the Democrats are would be seen as the one scraping bottom becoming the dirt mongers Tony Perkins. We'll give up another mulligan. Jerry junior will blame the media and everyone will move onto the next these this is not about rally. This is about the Republicans the Russians using this tape for blackmail. That sounds good but we all know it's bullshit. It's about embarrassing the president and it will be a blip. I know this is hard but let it go wait a minute. Is this this on network television repeat. This is on C._B._S.. Access V._S.. Accent is a separate net right that they run on cable and all over the Internet for you to Click on and subscribe gripe to and there's a bunch of shows on their that's where you get the Star Trek show <hes> whatever that one was gonNA bring a new Picard Star Trek on. It's going to be on C._B._S.. Access it's called Star Trek the flasher it just seems to be there is going to be so they put a bunch of shows like this on this little mini network which is the same. I think some of these shows are network quality well except for the writing this isn't that that is the example of network quality writing that fantastic and so they they but they run these shows on this hope and I don't know what the point of it is but C._B._S.. Access is a little mini network of shows including some of the main shows they put over there too. You can also described described net six bucks or eight bucks. Whatever it costs you can get these? Nobody's watching this stuff because nobody's I don't think anybody's watching any of it. That's why I took forever to find out about this. Usually here's what happens now. This is the last clip this is. They bring her into an F._B._i.. Woman who grills her say griller and they say what colors your hair and they and the lawyer goes back in afterwards and asked the F._B._i.. person who has played by <hes> the actress Jane will always plays Lesbians <hes> Very Good Actress Fun to watch from <hes> yes with a short hair yeah. The short haired Jane yet Jane yes josh is the F._B._i.. Agent and she's still go back and say why would these questions so specifics as well. Jane Lynch Have Jane what Lynch Jane Lynch Jane Lynch so they have like people there. You know that are good show except for the story so they bring her. She says what you know anything. How do you ask these specific? Questions about hair. Color is as you've seen the tape to another Wednesday reintroduced into storyline the the fact that this tape exists floating around the F. B.. I. Has a copy and by the way out after this ball explain how the story ends <hes> as so lynch goes on and explicit kind of clarifies things a little bit. Excuse me Mr mackey. You've seen the tape. I'm sorry what your questions that kind of specificity you've seen the golden shower tape why haven't seen the tape but we have received enough chatter to know what's in it and there were two you blonde hookers now. Brunettes and Mr Trump just finished in room dining so your clients line. Oh my goodness. That's just that's okay so we're introducing Edgar Trump's eating room service than he pees on the bed. I mean come on who wants by the way who's GonNa stay in his sweet with one of the best coverlet Stinky P.. I mean really let's be honest about well now that now he may be into that. You don't know I mean I mean there's this yeah. We do know if you think we'd have some indication but it the guys are Germaphobe hello we don't need to this is not real John. It's a show so don't get the way they put all this together to make anyone watching it. I think that this is all real as backstory and they're trying to finally somebody's giving us the truth and so they finally what happens anyway they find out that the one of the other girls that are involved sends a copy of the tape on a juice be drive with the with the Word P appeal to letters pee pee on there and everybody in the law office watches it and and the all look at it we don't get to see it of course but at the end of big bright screen they're all watching and saying Oh my God. Oh my God I got all watch and everybody watches including the one Republican. That's at the Law Law Firm and then Democrat strategist comes back in and says I disc- is good and so they she confiscates the thing and and then she I think she makes a copy but the F._B._i.. Then has the deported deported <hes> they they F._B._i.. Has Her sign. This is the guy I should've clipped this. Not I think about <hes> the F._B._i.. Brings the Russian girl and it has her signing documents saying that that this whole thing was of hoax and she will be deported the minute she says otherwise sign here and you won't be deported. Sign here and sign here and now you've tested that this the F._B._i.. By the way telling you the sign these documents you won't be deported but if she he ever says anything other than it was a hoax she will be deported and so she's g looks back and forth to the lawyers and Lauren what to do and they shrug their shoulders and then she signs in science and then they hand over the P. U._S._B.. U._S._B.. Drive to Jane Lynch and they wrap it up says good you can go home and so they all leave is now the Democrats strategists are one of the people in the law firms ends up with a copy of it and they put it in a safe and closed the safe as other show ends. What a Crock and it's very nice even think this was lear? This was the distance freelance. This is modern day propaganda just like the Talking Point A._O._C. Hates America this seeps into people's brains it seeps into their brains and they remember it and that's what it is and before you know it becomes truth and if we're still alive in I don't know which we should we try. Let's just save fifty years while we won't be get twenty ten. I love your mental calculation yeah. Let's say ten twenty you ask anyone on the street. Oh yeah yet president trump. Didn't you have hookers piss on his bed. God I can tell you right now. That's what people remember. That's how it goes yeah no yeah. No I know you absolutely this is exactly where this is going and it's shameful. It is shameful of C._B._S.. To produce allowed this to be broadcast is even though it's even on their little channel but this is really bad shameful television that C._B._S. should be ashamed of itself now they got nor of course. She's the trump hater running the news but it's ridiculous man well. Let's listen to some more nutjob shall we. I Guess Twenty Twenty nutters for you. I booker was on Seth Meyers and he's taught this cory booker. He's the Senator Booker Former Mayor of Newark New Jersey Way did horrible job. I might point out at least that's what many say and he was on. Seth admires talking about trump and he's checking a big game in fact he's talking right past uncle sleepy Joe I was running on Iowa stage and we were so psych hundreds of people. They're about to jump up and this guy sees me the former tenant from Stanford University. He's a big guy. He puts his arm around me and he goes dude. I want you to Punch Donald Trump in the face and I stopped at my tracks and I go do that's a felony man. Donald Trump is a guy who you understand. It hurts yes you in my testosterone. Sometimes makes me feel like punching him which would be bad for this elderly Outta shape man that he did that physically weak specimen Catholic but you see what I'm talking there even that's his tactics and you don't beat a bully like him fighting him on his tactics on his terms using his turf. He's the body Shamar. He's the guy that shows tries to drag people gutter and this is a moral moment in America. I think you can take corey off the list John. He's always been off to list. This guy's always been in tier two I if you look at the list yeah we have it's up by me we linked in the various newsletters and on twitter <hes> he's not on the list. I mean in any real way. He's he's a he's got no chance of winning anything in there. He is Fitch's about trump body shaming now. What does he do body shame exactly? I mean these guys the same thing she this constantly these. These Democrats are hypocrites well. Here's a fun one from our favorite senator. Who's our favorite senator these days if it ain't corey you know who it is? maxine grabbed no no major favorites macy Hirono L. Horon. She's WHO's favorite idiots says well just so you know ah she's going to she's going to explain the the problem is going to play in the problem here. Why Democrats have a hard time communicating their ideas you see because they they well? You'll hear it one of the things that we democrats have a really hard time is connecting to people's hearts instead of here. We're really good at shoving out all the information that touch people here but not here and I have been saying it all of our Senate democratic retreats that we need to speak to the heart manipulative way not in a way that brings for everybody's fears and and resentments about truly to speak to the hearts of that people know that we're actually on their side. We have a hard time doing that and one of the reasons that was so to me at one of our retreats was that we Democrats no so much that is true and we have to kind of tell everybody how smart we are and and so we have tendency to to be very left brain and we think this really that has that is not all people make decisions so one of the books that I always bring up is a righteous mind by Jonathan Hey so she's trying to tell us that. The problem is the Democrats are they. Don't communicate how smart they are because they are smart. They're the smartest. This is delusional. Thinking this lady right brain left break just completely. This is really the problem where the images of an elephant and the elephant is making all the decisions of go ride go for whatever there's a writer later on the elephant. The Rotor simply explains Elephants Decisions Republicans speak to the Elephant Democrats to the Ryder data's why we're not speaking to people here. 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I I'm surprised at not heard of this previously just add when you thought that the Israeli moon basis couldn't get nutty enough ono ono did. Do you know John C. Dork that the birds aren't real all right. Maybe using the bill this is. I'm sorry this is from W.. R. E. G. TV News in Memphis Tennessee Casey all right maybe using the billboard near the highland strip or her the story on Wednesdays live at nine a campaign called birds are not real brings US efforts to the mid South and this morning we are joined by one of the messengers of the movement. Peter McIntyre is here to tell us how this all came about and we WANNA emphasize. You were not the founder. So how did you become aware of it. What is the message of the movement? The message of the movement is essentially spread awareness the from nineteen nineteen fifty-nine through two thousand one the government mercilessly genocide over twelve billion birds and simultaneously replaced them with surveillance drones in disguise that Phil must every day as equally. Here's these cameras are filming right now with me. John are young. I'm bored with the program yet. So what are you have to back that up to back that up. I have as much evidence as the birds provided provided. There's so much so this is really satire. I mean you don't really believe that happened correct. This is a satirical campaign to make the point that what you're looking at me like no. It's not satire. I really do believe this honestly. It's kind of offensive okay so it's not satire would say that if I said birds are real. I don't know why the other side of the argument it can't be treated with equal respect before we came out on air. You said this is hysterical message. So what is what are you trying to make here. I mean why why did this movement come about how well this came about about in nineteen seventy six <hes> just to avoid any you know liberal media hit job. This didn't start with me. The started in nineteen seventy six <hes> when whispering started coming about from the White House saying that birds words were in the process of being murdered on a mass level win. This started coming about that's when the movement began. This movement is reactionary. We really didn't start this government started. The BIRDS AREN'T REAL DOT COM everybody. If you want to know more they've got billboards got T. shirts. They've got an entire theory. They were replaced by drones with cameras relaxed chickens now. They're pretty real I just I thought this was a chicken the other day. I thought this was a fabulous fabulous little exiting going this direction. I have a series of clips okay stumbled on because I didn't realize how you know. The Democrat Party is largely -membered is I think I think a good portion of them are in on this deal here and let's start with <hes> an eyebrow. I'm talking about is Satanist Satanist podcasts. Oh boy and I thought I was second half a show all right so let let's start with a start which is a generalized to Satan <hes> podcast just hear it get a a sense of how these podcasts go. This is Radio Free. I got two of these. This is Radio Free Satan. We're going to get a little punkish post-punk on starting off with the show gun doodle joy division Antara zone right here on Metro only on Radio Free Satan Dot Com. It sounds like nick the rat now. Here's another one another Radio Free Satan <hes> well continue confessions of a limited winch. My Name is magistrate grain and this is my podcast confession to whole wicked witch on Radio Free Satan we are continuing the era of sin and cut needed in just under the gun this was supposed to be available in May and it is currently may thirty first sell it won't be available in May and you'll get to a mansion. Just thank. Hey June rocks it the man we really messed up that whole no agenda stream we'd we'd miss branded. It is now now that the story that triggered this was what's going on in Canada but it stems what's going candidates which is the opening of US Atantic temple and started with this issue in Little Rock Arkansas where they WANNA put a bathroom it is horrible looking thing and at the state capital and so they can have satanic panic timber. What is what is it bafflement? It's a big thing with goat-head has got to go ahead and horns and just a horrid. Just look it up. It's a horrible looking thing but it's a Satan worship but these guys have to Satan US and cadwell. You know it's not really about Satanism Nazem. It's about <hes> is about freeing yourself. So this place Satanic Temple in Arkansas for starters burge of a feather flock together gather all or nothing secular approach. The rhetoric matched the temperatures on the steps of the state capital a group called the Satanic Temple out of Massachusetts once this statue of Bafflement put on display on state capitol grounds. They say that since the ten commandments are in place the law should allow them to erect this and you have a First Amendment right to say so we find ourselves here because our elected officials who may have been voted in by fifty point one percent of their district they failed old and forgotten to recognize upon taking that office they then represent a hundred percent of that district state senator. Jason Rapert spent the rally in meetings at the Capitol He sure the ten commandments tablets are legal constitutional national and not going anywhere if the ten commandments display is good enough for all of those other state capitals and the United States Supreme Court Sir. It's good enough for the people of Arkansas and we will defend the law. Lucien Greaves of the Satanic Temple says the law is on his side but the center feels mentions that on the same day is that decision was handed down to stand alone ten commandments while the arguments appear headed for more litigation. Even Christians finding common cause with the sickness Miss Little Room for compromise. It's very hard line thing fortunately isn't open to a dialogue about ten commandments monument not others it will be a very cold day in hell before we we are ever forced to put up a permanent monument on the state capitol grounds. That's as offensive as this group that has behind fake names as they travel the country well. This is a <hes>. This is quite a loaded little it'll topic you got here and so let's go to the final thing now. This is too had to be clipped down because his one of those mixed comment Vanden words on the screen which is just like you know horrid but this is going on in Canada right now and I like a satanist who comes out and he says you know satanism. Satanism is like is not really about worshiping the Devil or worshiping Satan no less out about it's about your inner freedom or something hand path right right hand path all that stuff no he doesn't go into that but this bad enough group plant I had seen or heard about the temple having a lot of success United States breath and I realized that would be need for this Canterbury wasn't he for this Canada who would build a statue to Satan so we don't worship the devils. We don't believe in a personal I look at the devil look at the loose affair and character as being represented that internal rebel with an all of us power is now your own your old. There's an undeniable rise in more conservative. The thought and Conservative thought has always been deeply ingrained with tradition which in turn is often deeply ingrained in the predominant religion as they can and Campbell was always founded important to actually take on institutions and it systems that would use tradition and religious freedom to actually promote a moment religious turns out that the <hes> the move to Canada was a positive news uh okay and of course what he said there. was that Allstate Desert Democrats. Did you hear that carefully did what he said all Sate Nisar Democrats and he says it's been very successful for the Satanic Movement in the United States well yeah well. I think this is a bad thing. Personally people can believe in whatever they want to believe in and I really don't condemn it all what you do not need to do anyone. Can you do not need to send me an email explaining satanism and what it is. I received a million times before <hes> in Alastair Crowley and all that I don't need to know you can send it. We're not gonNA talk about it again. I wonder how many state eight in our audience I meant. I think there's more than Oh yeah. Oh Yeah we have quite a number. That's why the ones that have Adam at curry dot com as near address book. Are you thinking that the people that have adamant Curry Dot Com and their address book or Satanists See I'm not I'm not afraid of that. I'm not afraid of them sending me emails okay well I I worked for the Satan is M._t._v. so I know a thing or to the true Satan is our in Hollywood and they do sacrifices and yes I would say in the wash- Washington Washington D._C.. In the examples I know would probably be more Democrat than Republican this all kinds of satanism crazy worship going on but it's not this. It's not this. It's not the one we we WANNA have a temple none of them. There's real evil stuff going on for sure but this is just I don't know maybe it's a distraction you know to make people look like nutjob sort you could ever clues and you could never accuse Hillary Clinton of being a satanist or Satan worshippers or human sacrifices because that's just crazy talk could be club so <hes> there's dozens and dozens of Satan is podcasts and it's just like they're all terrible by the way in terms of their production quality and he just I just find fascinating. I just stumbled on it under the blue. Yeah it really detracts from my statement about how hard we work to put this show together all right. We do have <hes> some some actual news discuss as <hes> Bo Joe as predicted wasn't that hard to predict is the new prime minister of the United Kingdom's Gitmo Nation East. He has already pretty much fired everybody and is <hes> but his new cabinet in place and this is the clip that was going around of his acceptance speech. The last few minutes of it lasts there. It was already deliver. Tonight and defeat was not the perfect acronym for an election campaign since unfortunately it spills dud they got the final e my friends he for energize and I say I say talk doubters dude. We are to energize the country. We're going to get brexit done on okay. We're GONNA take advantage of all the opportunities that it will Britain in a new spirit of can-do and we are once again to believe in ourselves and what we can even like some slumbering giant we're to Reisen Ping off the guy ropes of self doubt a negatively with better education better infrastructure more police fantastic food fiber broadband sprouting in every household we are here night amazing amazing for our country and we are gonNA take. Thank you very much for the incredible honor that you've just done me. I work flat out from now on with my team that I will build. I hope in the next few days to repay your confidence but in the meantime the campaign is over the work begins. Thank you very much. At least she didn't say the Extra E is for extra p. It looks like you can have fiber broadband sprouting and every household this is a this is fantastic. I'm so happy for them. I can guarantee you <hes>. He will not get brexit done well. This is what I've been listening to London's Talkshow L._B._J.. L._B._C. Nigel garage right and he feels the same way you do. He thinks he's not gonNA happen. He thinks the whole thing is designed to keep a general election from concurring before the thirty first because there's something like that but this party would win too many seats. They don't want that to happen so they're going to do some scam ish thing in <hes> <hes> when when the <unk> due date com scam I think <hes> Boji will be the shortest primarily prime minister tenureship in history. I'm afraid I don't know I'm not GONNA go on that not getting what they call if they call general election this. Why don't I think Bo does not? He's if you look at his documentary about him. He's not a dumb guy. I didn't say that he will <hes> get around this. Somehow I think he has <hes> influences influences in his background that are going to push him towards not making this happen. Maybe yeah we'll see yeah. We got JOG Tober thirty. I I see what happens and if they do have a general election and they don't get this done. The brexit exit party will all of a sudden appear as an as the specter in parliament that will be nothing but trouble. Yes yes so okay well. I have a couple of last nice things we wrap. It sounds like oh I got this one. We got to put in the evergreen thing Obama ignorant clip forgot about Obama ignorant clip. Is this new whereas this from what's the contact. Oh it's just a nicer or white folks and then they're ignorant. motherfuckers fuck is like you know this yeah. Hello two thousand nine when this was funny well while you're saying that two thousand nine is another evergreen. I WANNA keep in abeyance which is another clip. I dug up from two thousand nine nine which tells it like which is the problem with climate change <hes> than if altogether when it comes to India for example. This is the clip where the guy one of the representatives indies were not. We're not doing anything we're we're going to expand our our economic. ONOMIC system is much. We're not GONNA do this. This climate change thing is not non starter for us. People forget this India's position as I'd like to make it clear and category India's position as that we are. I simply not in a position to take on legally binding emission reduction reduction targets developing countries like India don't want to be forced to slow growth in the name of reducing emissions alright right since we're doing classic clips then I have an Obama clip a classic for you. This is not the two thousand nine <hes> but this is right before the twenty sixteen election. We had the hack of the D._N._C. Server. Remember it was a hack right John Ri- right it was a hack. It wasn't an inside job. It wasn't seth rich or his brother Aaron. It was a hack a Hack Jack and then they didn't have the bandwidth for it. It was it was a hack. It was a hack and so it wasn't leaked from the inside out. No or you know I it was a hack. Hackers Russian hackers to be very specific according going to Pew Pew Pew crowd strike was hired the F._B._i.. Never looked at the server by the way just as an aside they had some interviews some crowd strike employees on one of the nets networks and I I was watching it. It was just a bunch of dumb fucks unbelievable f-bomb in today crazy times in a row so here is Obama talking about that part of the goal here was to make sure that we did not do the work of the Lakers for them by raising more and more questions about the integrity of election right before the election was taken place so why would he say leakers if it was a hack I don't know <hes> maybe he's out of context gee. I don't think so put something. I got one more here. I got something for you. This is the latest rapper HARAPPA. This gets us out well. We're ending early. A we are longer hunger clip. I can play. You're not the keeper of the time so I know what you're talking about or your to keep her the time saying we're wrapping you. Keep saying we're wrapping up. We've got another his. I could tell the energy okay hey John. I got a great funny clip about schools in Oregon. You'll love it next tonight. Our series one in five kids at risk Oregon is making a major change to help young people face their struggles. It's become one of the first states to allow students to take mental health days as an excused absence and Kate Snow with the story Haley hardcastle and Derek Evans were seniors when they lobbied state lawmakers for a new bill when Oregon students had back to school. They'll be allowed to call in sick not purchased if they're physically ill but if they need a mental health day I think the most amazing part about this whole thing is that it was student led personally in need of mental health days Derek told lawmakers he struggled with anxiety in high school. I'm being marked absent. An unexcused can't make up these assignments because I don't have the willpower to go to school today because it's just too much and there's no system set to help me. Oregon has one of the highest rates of teen suicide in the country. It's the second leading cause of death breath for ten to thirty four year olds in that state. Nationally suicide is at a fifty year high under the new Oregon Law mental health days will be considered excused absences students won't be penalized and can make up exams their parents still have to call all the school but now they can be honest about taking a day off to deal with their depression to deal with the panic attack to not have to be anxious about not being able to make up work. Our biggest goal is just making sure that everyone knows that mental health was just as valid as fiscal health there has there's been some backlash on social media wondering if kids will take advantage children are already missing school for mental health reasons the thing is they're lying about it. We're hoping that this gives them the opportunity to start a positive conversation about what's going on in why they need help. It's such an interesting idea. How many days could someone take for mental health so Oregon? Law says that any student can take five days over a three month period for any kind of excused absences and now each school district will be able to revise that as they see fit for their students needs. We'll see if it helps kate. Thank you very much just a this is the state of our country and in particular. I think it's the antidepressants it's all the the meds they got the kids jacked up on and then they get tired and they can't handle it. They're told they're told you you can't handle it. I don't know what to tell you that yea. I think the kids are all drugged up to drop of a hat to make him take stuff. They're not mature their immature they're not fully growed until they are these twenty one older yeah and there it affects away they develop is the developmental issues is what we're dealing with here well. This is actually when the kids are drugged up at a very early age before few of before puberty this is this is enabled but this is enabling enabling all of this. There's drug companies yeah but no this is the news discussing this Nitin. Noam brings that up no one's that what was going on with these. Did you hear that list depressed. They can't get out of bed. I just can't handle it today. Ah How bad is school really. How hard is it these days? Oh Man Jeez. The curriculum doesn't help. It's not inspiring and you get these psycho teachers well. The teachers aren't allowed to teach anymore. They have to follow all this crazy stuff and their curriculum evaluated on the computerized algorithms of the yeah. The whole thing's messed up homeschool people. There's a thought for you my final clip for today as we'll let you wind it down with your last one is <hes> once again secretary Treasury Secretary Mnuchin who is now so afraid of what Bitcoin can actually do to the U._S. dollar and our ability to control Sinai's around the world. He's so afraid he's now just denying it. I think we'll be talking about bitcoin and ten years from now I I won't be talking about Bitcoin in ten years. Yeah I can assure you that you might be in at least six years <hes> treasury secretary as exactly I I would bet even five or six years. I'm no longer talking about Bitcoin is treasury secretary. I'll have other priorities you'd be loaded up on it on and then it gets zillionaire leaner. I can assure you I personally not be loaded up on never say never and now he's just denying its existence. It'll be gone. You might be misinterpreting this okay. He might be privy to some information. We don't have okay continue that is gonNa just basically make bitcoin illegal who well you can't make you know a random string of numbers illegal what you could make illegal is money changing from bitcoin two dollars advice. They can make his life miserable. This may be a signal your your missed and I just want you to know you cannot outlaw bitcoin wind because it's just a hash is just a string of numbers is nothing it's it's not something that can be. It's it's like you use it to do trade you. Could it could be an illegal currency well well. We'll see I mean we used to have all these currencies in the United States that are now. They've been made illegal. Can't I mean even when Ron Paul supporters built the Ron Paul Dollar. If you remember that I think there was they were stamping it and they were calling first of all calling it dollar was an issue a whole bunch of things Ms Sanford some sounds to me. I take your I take that into account while you're saying there but still I mean you can't it's the <hes>. The exchange of Bitcoin on the Internet is unstoppable literally unstoppable exchanging it from one currency into another currency or vice versa yet that could be a problem except when you do it on the street in cash I guess now there's ways around everything but there are things called black markets. Oh Tolsey we'll see a good patches. Nothing took it as an ominous warning okay. I'm doubling down. I'm stacking. I'm stacking Satoshi Toshi baby yeah good I think you should so I'm watching the cake you eating news hour and they have brooks and shields and I found it interesting clip little law actually along. Is it two minute no as only forty-one seconds. This is David Brooks and he 'cause. I've always been baffled by the fact that although P._B._S. Newshour has really gone downhill to an extreme psalms not even usable democracy now gives me better material and he has a certain vision of America's and his vision America's Zena phobic the good people of the heartland are being threatened by outsiders and by Muslims and by people who don't look like them. It's a vision that is nostalgic looking backward to the past and vision of White America White Providence created this country and the restaurant here by their sufferance and this is the national story he wants to tell and I think it's up to the rest of us to tell better story about America that were universalist country country where a country defined by our future what we're building not by our past and that we're country that's traditionally had emission across frontiers and one of the missions we have right now is to create a mass multi-cultural democracy. This Guy David Brooks will be gone from television television before Bitcoin is gone okay. I'll tell you that this guy is overdone and toast. no-one gives us shit about him anymore. These people all of them gotta go. Where is the new? Where's the new people where's the new opinionated people they've been doc kicked off a twitter? Now I wanted to mention the one he had a couple of things in there. I didn't like of the United States once when the union was formed in when we had the revolution to get rid of the British was never never ever to cross frontiers. The mission of this country has never been to cross frontiers people have observed <hes> a number of historians of observed that we we do it and and you can define line the country in the way we think because of it but it was never the mission. It's just a happenstance. What do you mean by crossing frontiers? Go West young man go open up the west go to the West it but if the new who frontier go to California discover goal nowadays move from Mid West to California and work at a Silicon Valley go go go. Maybe he's confused with star Trona the Moon Moon. We're going under the moon this is this is a happenstance. It's not emission. People don't know the difference okay then. I have a last twelve second or for you what is wrong with this C._B._S.. News report which came came on the Fiftieth Anniversary of the moon landing here we go here this weekend marked fifty years since Apollo eleven's walkers took one giant leap for humanity. What's wrong with that clip leap for mankind he ever? You can't say that that's not politically correct anymore. She changed it to gotTa say humanity baby here. It is again this weekend. Marked fifty weird since Apollo eleven's walkers took one giant leap for humanity that is terrible. I'll give you a board length of the day for that just to to show I'll I'll. I'll hold over on it. You'll you'll oh excuse me static well. It's been quite the show for those you listening to us live. We've had some couples APPS. We've no they're called. What are they called glitches J. glitches everybody <hes> but we will return return on Sunday and we really hope to have some support divorce act dot org slash in a and then the following people would like to thank for our end of show? We got some Fleischer. We got some Anthony Farmer. Remember we got Matt and Ashton Lasari and we got <hes> Tom Stark weather and right after the show on the no agenda stream dot com livestream the <hes> grumpy old Benz will be going live and they have phone boys special guest look up foreign boy. If you WANNA get some no agenda Jingles and I'm coming to you from the frontier of Austin Texas that is <hes> Fema region number six in the governmental maps in the morning everybody. I'm Adam curry from northern Silicon Valley. I'm John Devora. We return on Sunday they right here on no agenda. Remember us at divorce dot org slash in a until then audio small and Jeff. I speak to the series of things as you articulate them. Absolutely now is not a hoax blue. No No yes yes no. I'm not familiar with with that in those areas I am stay away from speak to the series of happening says you are to they get into deliberations regard. What what Yes yes? How many times before I this is not disgust near eyeball? Re this as much as your brain makes. It is not like L._S._D.'s level hallucinations both situation. It's like a picture that now neighbors the day started to neurologists danced and my explanations and the tool neurologist green daring three hundred Williams she had three <music> three arms different phenomena but dogs and so I put the three arms on the woman this is this it is the first one is doing a lot interlinks. Privilege is their word you used again interpolations aw whether Dogs Watch T._v.. 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The martyrdom of Kayla Mueller: The transforming power of courage

The Daily Article

06:02 min | 1 year ago

The martyrdom of Kayla Mueller: The transforming power of courage

"This is the daily Article podcast published by the Denison Forum or culture changing Christians to receive the daily article directly or email inbox each weekday morning visit the daily Article Dot Com now here's Today's news discerned differently another former hostage told reporters that caleb passed up a chance to escape in order to increase the odds of escape for a group of teenage girls in captivity with her for a lot of strength and added as a person she was a very good friend she was smart she was fun to be with she was very kind extremely generous. Her to provide aid to Syrian refugees grieved about the suffering she witnessed she wrote in her blog at the time anger sadness and fear are the best spills Internet connection they were reportedly taken captive by isis the next day Kayla was not heard from again until the likely what I am doing Kayla Mueller would remain strong across the horrific ordeal to come according to US officials Tories and volunteer missions in Arizona she worked at an HIV AIDS clinic in December two thousand twelve Kayla traveled to the Turkey Syria board inside of me I am not breaking down and I will not give in no matter how long it takes she then testified I know you want me to remain strong that is no one who knew Kayla could have imagined the way her life would end or that the US special forces operation to capture or kill her captor would be dedicated to her however her fellow hostages say she never surrendered hope and selflessly put the welfare of fellow captives above her own one remembered galas strong faith that gave Kayla added I've been shown in darkness light and have learned that in prison one can be free she assured her family I have a lot of fight left person small seemingly insignificant gestures of compassion did not escape her while in college she traveled to India Israel and the Palestinian terror did I have come to a place and experience where in every sense of the word I have surrendered myself to our creator because literally there was no one else awareness about the genocide in Darfur Sudan and won the two thousand seven Gold Presidential Volunteer Service Award for her work with Americorps and big brothers big sisters who's in college she was active with United Christian ministries her minister described her as a humble down to earth girl who liked to ease the suffering of just one everything to find us it is better for you to escape alone I will stay here at one point she and several other hostages were watched by Mohammed in Wasi in writing before she faced the torture that was to come she noted I remember mom always telling me that all in all in the end the only one you really have is guys next spring and then she sent a remarkable letter to her family through her cellmates who were released she stated that she had been treated with the utmost respect and kindness clearly ah but that's just part of her incredible story Kayla's ministry began in middle school when she volunteered to serve in homeless shelters in high school she raised composts for compassion on August third twenty thirteen she ended Fran visited a Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Aleppo Syria to repair the house a Boubacar Elba dotty tortured and repeatedly raped her at his compound before announcing in February two thousand fifteen that she had died her body has never been recovered I found a way to sneak out of L. Big Daddy's house late one night and asked her to come with them she told them no because I am an American if I escape with you they will who was later dubbed Jihadi John after he carried out the beheadings in killings of ten hostages when one of his fellow guards claim that Kayla had converted to Islam in front of us that was very clear last Saturday a US special forces operation dedicated to Kayla Mueller led to the death of Abu Bakar Elba dotty his caliphate had already been destroyed he was hiding in a cave and using his children as human shields when he died she denied his claim a hostage who witnessed her courage said I would not have had the guts to say that it was very clear that all of us were impressed by the strength she showed you will be remembered. As one of history's worst criminals Kayla Mueller will be remembered as one of history's most courageous martyrs now it is up to us to make her story hour own if you're listening to this daily article in America you're probably not facing martyrdom for your faith if you're one of our readers or listeners in China North Korea Saudi Arabia Syria or Iran you're facing the very real possibility of dying for Jesus wherever you live your decision to serve your Lord comes at a ost Jesus was clear and John Fifteen twenty when he said if they persecute me they will also persecute you today is the day to decide that we will alleges wherever he leads at whatever the cost today's the day to respond to Kayla Mueller's faith by emulating her courage Awa Dozer Road Doc in it let come what may will you be a true follower of Christ today if you like what you heard please leave a rating and review for the PODCAST. Thank you for listening to the daily Article podcast today Kayla Mueller was born in Prescott Arizona she attended northern Arizona University where she graduated in two and a half years with a political science degree. The True Follower of Christ will not ask if I embrace this truth what will it cost me rather he will say this is the truth. God helped me to walk.

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Episode 21: Does This Sausage Taste Funny To You?

The Ladies of Strange

31:35 min | 2 years ago

Episode 21: Does This Sausage Taste Funny To You?

"Brad. Matt pony sad. You singing that song? After what we just talked about. Just really made me question some of my life choices. That's the question is while you were questioning for you happy. What is the past few years then for anyway for what happened when we were walking down the stairs. What was now we would to go kiss. What happened? Ding in her womb pinker? Thank you. You know dumpsters to go Soeda and get ice cream sandwiches for everybody are. Yeah. So you brought it up. She's walking in front of me. And we're both going down the stairs pretty rapidly. So I guess she assumes that she was going down fast. I was further behind and she farted in my knee hitter. Bum at the same time farted. Touch the art. What to do with myself? And she didn't know what to do with herself. And. We let's friend life. We did. Quietly though because the rulers asleep on account. Yeah. Me. So. Okay. Now that actually started on my knee. Let's start the show. Hello and welcome. We are the ladies of strange. I'm Ashley I'm Tiffany. And I'm Rebecca thank you for joining us each week as we discuss history mystery and theory of all things questionable, odd and Erie. Hi, guys. How lo- how are y'all? Good. How are you? I'm getting over last week. What was last week? What was last week last week was when we found out. That people like us. I wouldn't go that far no about go sex. Oh. People like to have sex with ghosts. Don't yuck. They're young. No. I'm not yukking there YoM. I'm just me being awkward. Well. She could have not been goes. And it still would have made me feel the same way. So Terry fair, I have been talking about that nonstop since we recorded, and I've been Tony it out nonstop lot had a fabulous conversation with one of my parents about it. So okay. Yeah. I was like, hey, did, you know, this is the thing and they're like, no. But I do now in life is changed. There's hope always now. Two. What you're talking about the random spike that we had in our follows and listens downloads and no big deal. But we love y'all and please keep you so much. There were I'd say probably five or six individual massive freak outs out last week. Absolutely. From download spike to Stephen Pappas of this. As it did did it. She's so excited. She wasn't even. A to Stephen Pappas of is. This a dull tting knows who we are for us. Oh my God. It was crazy talk their melted in my chair onto the floor. And then she came over to my building. And was like. And I'm like, I gotta finish this Email. What you want? She's like, no, no, no. No. No. No. No. No, no. There will be no any five minutes and went to someone else. It was amazing. Was that when I was on the phone with you? Yes. I made noises of pure excitement that I didn't know I could make I understood they were excitement noises, but I had to get that Email out. I'm like, I need five minutes. I know something very important going on. But this has to happen because I kind of like being paid get your priorities shoot. Rebecca, come on. Stephen frickin Pappas, Stephen chicken, bully Pappas and Steve Grimmett. Damn it. Well, that's the other one. To be fair is named changes weekly on. It's just his one who doesn't social media outside of managing the soc social digits. Are you ready are courtroom? Fine. Everything's fine. See here's the thing. I mess up feel awkward I try to fix it. More awkward and noses, and then she chose one. And MRs up words, even more don't div Grimmett. Good hole. Sweet sweet Steve Grimmett. Moving moving. Okay. I'm sure there's tons of people out there that still get us all mixed up to. Yeah. They think they like Ashley. But in reality, they like me, you know, big deal wounds. Why go to reopen them to slice away? I'll start time for a story story time, Dr Rita. Have you guys heard of hands Mueller Hans hawn's Mueller Hans mule back to the not being able I say you look for in regular words cons Mueller Hans Mueller? Probably I don't know if I have what is he back in the eighteen hundreds he and his wife opened a sausage factory in New Orleans. Oh. They're known for being good natured having excellent customer service and most importantly, making amazing sausages. I'm sure they did. Because whilst would they have a business in New Orleans with sausages. Keep your sumptious to yourself to been sorry is wide Tiffany. I have a wide is we talked about last week. It's fine. She's going either sexual or or dead bodies cannibalistic overtime hands became contaminants. Over time Hans became disinterested in his wife and the hard work HR before her time, he was all about the sausage life and eventually test. Take me too. And eventually he found a young mistress that he fell in love with. Oh, yeah. Rude was he's his wife was running the business, and he was all fighting a mistress. They were working together running the business. And because you know, she's a person she got she aged unacceptable. Patriarchy? However, hands knew that as long as wife was around. He can never have a live with his young mistress. No, she of Pacific obvious where this is. She also some sources say they had an argument and Hans losses and hawn's losses. Temper others say that one night after the shop clothes while his wife was sweeping up Hans snuck up behind her wrapped a quart around her neck and strangled her. Well out of school aided quickly did escalate quickly. No matter the story. The couple lived in a part of New Orleans where space was limited neighboring houses. But it up against each other which made it difficult to conceal things. Especially from the town gossips, Tiffany. Yes. What Hans do Hans chopped up, his wife and made sausage? He had a plan. And while he didn't chop her up. He did stuff her body into the meat grinder and made her into sausage until there is nothing left. Fun. Oh, no. I'm so skeptical all such sales spike with the little aged meat. Actually aged is aged she's probably older than the pigs. They used her sausage. She has a point. But I thought aged meat had to be like not like cured because she was old. He killed her cut. She was old wail. Okay, fine. Okay. Hans continued his life with his new mistress. And when people came into the shop and inquired about his wife history would change. Sometimes she'd be oh, sometimes she left town typically she was visiting relatives as they do. Right. Where else would we go? That's all women capable of being sick being at the store or visiting their family rights over time. The neighbors, however, started whispering about his haggard appearance and bloodshot eyes. His mistress is going to chop him up. Ms importantly, this are talking about the decrease quality in his sausage. Oh, some customers noticing bits of cloth and sometimes hair in the new reportedly one night. This was Hans account while. He was cleaning up around the shop here thumping coming from the back room like some owners grinding meat to make sausages. When he went to investigate he froze in his tracks. The ghost of his deceased wife was climbing out of the sausage fat. Oh, Hans would say that our apron was stained with blood and that her head was horribly mutilated. Oh after climbing out the sausages that she made her way towards Hans Hermens, filling the room and arm stretched out towards him who this continued for some time. Yes, creepy, and then neighbors groups more suspicious about Hans drives behavior and even more suspicious of his missing wife 'cause 'cause you know, if you're being haunted every single day. You might look a little rough. Yeah. Not because you killed your wife bastard. Just because you're onto by her killed you what I still can't get rid of. You writes, it's called Kerma. You don't kill your wife. This this spot people in general. Kill people probably saw size gives you in toy friends. Endorphins make you happy and happy don't kill their husbands. They just don't maybe he just needed to go for a walk. Rumors started spreading a one day. The rumors were confirmed when a customer bit into a piece of goal of a gold ring and pizza sausage. Why come buddy like you didn't think to take her clothes or jewellery? The police immediately notified because what else would you do you found a piece of gold ring and sausage, and they quickly made plans to raid the sausage factory that evening when they went into the back room. They found Hans huddle in the corner and screaming claiming that he could see his wife emerging from the sausage that for him. He was quickly arrested and placed in an asylum where he claims daily that his wife was coming for him until one day. He had complete and utter mental breakdown and committed suicide, oh, the Sasha factory was sold. Shortly. After Hans was arrested reports say that his wife continued the hot the building until the day he killed himself her work. There was does. But say she got her just as and this is when I tell you that this is a legend. Oh that was based on a real king murderer sausage. King murderer that this is exciting. So would you guys like to hear the real stir story after the drink break? Yes, please. I make something up these do. Oh. Hey, everybody. This is Danielle and I'm Carla, and we are who's your homicide a true crime podcast by hoosiers, four hoosiers, or for anyone that doesn't know what a Hoosier is will. I don't know. What Hoosier is do you? Yes. As a matter of fact, I do great. We don't need to look anything up to leucopenia and type in Alabama hot pocket. No don't do that. That'll tell you what who's your is. Just come listen to us you'll find out anyway, you can find us on Twitter and Instagram handle is at who's your homicide can also download any episode you'd prefer off of Stitcher pod being I tunes Google play. And spotify. We tell true crime stories with some random connection to our home state of Indiana. Come listen. That's what she said. God for honest to goodness stead at a corn. And we're back. We're back. Ready? Learn about sausage. And I'm ready to learn about murder give it to us. There's two types of people reportedly the story of Hans Mueller is based off of the real story of Adolf Kurz. Why is it always adolph's? I mean, this was before that adolph's time the name hasn't been completely tainted yet. So this guy ever heard of a good Adolf? Well, I'm sure that that wrong here full. There we go. Okay. So stay tuned. So Adolf was born on December twenty seventh and eighteen forty five in Westphalia. What shall I can pronounce that? And not haunts apparently. Anyway, it's somewhere in modern day. Germany in case, you're wondering absolutely he was one of eleven children filled. An apprenticeship with a local tannery after traveling around Germany, he headed to London to look for work around this point. He was nineteen years old king. He emigrated to New York somewhere around eighteen sixty five depending on which sources you look at it can be like eighteen sixty four. Okay. And he was about twenty years old and had thirty dollars to his name, which is around five hundred dollars today. More than I got. Shortly afterwards, he moved to Quincy Illinois staying there for a couple months before moving to Chicago looking for a job at a tannery. I don't understand how all these people back then just like gallivanting around the world like it was no big deal. And now, we have all these travel options available on the Mike, man. I sure would love to go like three states away. But oh, yeah. I'm going to the end of this weekend. And I'm like oh gas to get there and back. How am I gonna Ford that? He's like, oh, I'm gonna go from Germany to London into well, New York, married at this point. It's still cost money. Yeah. Okay. Fair even flying spirit. Maybe we're just really bad with money. Don't ask our husbands. During this time, he married his first wife. Caroline rhea? K on April that yes, sir. On April thirteenth, eighteen seventy two in Germany, their first son Arnold was born there in eighteen seventy five and then they stayed in Germany because he's married and has a kid and nobody after having a second child and being brought to the United States. So he did bring family back the United States after going though there and marrying them and then bringing them back. Caroline died on November seventeenth eighteen seventy seven. No why she do that. They didn't say I can find a reason or why or how in eighteen seventy eight some reports saying as soon as two months after Caroline died. Eight off married Louise, bec- knees who was ten years. I don't know how to pronounce says that we use big knees thickness. I don't be I c k an ESE big bigness bigness snus Lewis big Blue's big me. None of these no matter how we pronounce it. It's not good. That's Louise, BIC knees. Anyway, he married her shortest two months after his first wife died, and she was ten years younger than him. Oh, noticing trends. She met Adolf by chance. I was working as a servant before their marriage. She was less than five feet tall, which didn't sharp contrast to her husband who was a larger man 'cause you know, grew up working in tanneries that doesn't make him toll though makes him buff. Sixty as a wedding gift aid off gave Louisa heavy gold ring with the initials, L L engraved on the inside of it. Louise, lick knees. Louise, loot Gertz. Got it. Forgot his last name Lignes. That's how name changes work because apparently when you get married not only does your last name change. But so does your star sign? Yeah. You have to listen to our episodes in order. In eighteen seventy nine eight off openness, small sausage company that became successful. And in eighteen ninety seven opened a five story plant on the south west corner of diversity and Hermitage called the AL sausage and packing company. I'd say a little more than six. Yeah. We're going for Jimmy dean level here on top of that next door to the sausage factory. He built a three story home for Louise. And their two sons on you're just gallivanting. I said no showboating eight off however, adolph's and bachelor with his new wife did not last and they were reported to have frequently argued eventually eight off into a room at his sausage factory. Having a change of pace. They're eight off. Okay. Guys, come on. Known better than to talk to me and Tiffany about a sausage pack. It didn't occur to me till right? We'll see my started recording. Matured, your what mature O K? She's a liar. On may first eighteen ninety seven eight often Louise went for an evening walk. And even the reports say he told his children that their mother had left on a trip Adolph reported her missing on may seventh. I'm syncing the theme when did they go for a walk may I eighteen ninety seven new reported her on may seven. Yes, k which I thought was a little weird considering the time the will like in eighteen ninety seven communication isn't all that fast Whibley wobbly timey stuff because of the overheard. Arguing foul play was suspected. And during the best Gatien. I witness saw Louise entering the factory with her husband on Mayfair's around ten thirty PM. No on may fifteenth. The factory was searched an employee suggested that they look in the steam bat in the cellar that was used during the sausage making process. When the police looked they found a putrid reddish Brown liquid filled the VAT halfway. You. Okay. Honey. When they pulled the plug the slimy liquid and bones fell out when they search inside the that they found a gold ring with L engraved on it. Are you good Tiffany? Slimy liquid in the bones and just the thought. How are these how he's like this big businessman who's done all these things, and travelled and started a huge successful company? And you don't think to take off their clothes? Like, the easy identifying factors and on top of that near the vet. They found hair pieces of clothing and half of a false tooth. So he did not clean up at all half of a false. You have to clean up. That's like rule number one. This is why they're snow. Very few committed female murderers. Because we know how to clean up so it's more suspicious if like someone walk into a place like there's not a finger print anywhere. In fact, it's very clean and most like Lysol interesting. I just like to keep a clean house delivering scented Lysol during the investigation. It was also in covered that Adolf head, purchase, arsenic and tash or potash. I'm not sure how to pronounce tash one reports said that he bought three hundred seventy eight pounds of potash all this was purchased before is pot ash. I'll get to that. Okay. He purchase arsenic, and this large amount of pop potash before the disappearance of his wife, and that he ordered an employee to dump the chemicals into the VAT on April twenty fourth and then on April first he ordered that to be brought to a boil. No may. I may I yes, he had them put it in April twenty-seventh in may. I they brought it to a boil April twenty fourth twenty fourth and then on may. I brought to a boil and no one on the walk on may. I k an after he thought her body had time to disappear he reported or missing disappear melt design. Something about a melting body. This is the second time we've talked about melting bodies. Why do you think I was talking about mounting bodies today? That's why she said don't ask. God it. Yeah. We'd into this off claim that Louise went insane and ran away and that the potash was her making soap to use when cleaning the factory K prosecution determine that the potash mixture would be able to dissolve a human body using the mixture that it off was alleged to use an cadaver. So they tested this. This test resulted in the same reddish Brown fluid and being able to determine that the mixture was capable of leaching calcium from bones while liquefying the rest of the body. That's use. How I guess maybe he knew that. Maybe he used it to get rid of bones from the sausage factory. It was unclear on that. 'cause like the vad that they used was that that was like part of the making sausage making process. What they would dip the sausage. I'm not sure why I didn't research how to make. But the that was there, and it was filled with stuff because dipping the sauces was part. I was just curious like how he knew to use that combination. If like the detectives had to. Yeah. Like if that's what they did to pigs. Yeah. I mean, it could be. Could be the fact that he knew it. He was doing or the fact that he got really lucky true fair. I'm gonna say I'm gonna how we got rid of pig carcasses. I'm going to say he got lucky 'cause he was stupid and left the ring clothes on. He knew what he was doing. He wouldn't have done. Pigs don't have rings. You don't know their mom. This. We didn't say this was pick sausage. I just I just always assume that sausages, pork, I'm gonna or beef, pork chicken. I'm gonna ordeal. I'm gonna put you in the south sometimes, dear I'm gonna pretend that it came from the ground grew in the ground, vegan sausage. Yup. Just roll with it because I don't like to think about it. I like deed, it don't like to think about it. Okay. She said. Anthropologist determined that the bone fragments belong to a human female fun descriptive while this different than like, they found pig bounce in which is all that makes sense that that would be they're fun. Fact. This was one of the first reported cases where an anthropologist was called to testify. Right, right. You go in through Pala just. Either way the evidence was damning and not just because of the mount of Pawtucket. He bought would be capable of producing two thousand pounds of soap at a higher price and just buying the soap over the counter. It was a lot of so right? You think like if he knew how to make soap might be a little suspicious that he bought enough to make two thousand pounds at the he was stockpiling for the end of the world. Maybe he's a doomsday per with soap. I don't wanna be stinky the world, I wouldn't wanna be trapped in a room with stinky people pass out. So you get US Open. Also, that's my doom state print. We'll worry about food later. Anyway. Rebecca was convicted and sent to Joliet state penitentiary where he died on July seventh eighteen ninety nine any Mente his innocence until the ends today. The sausage factory had been has been renovated into condos o- on fact, you can live in a place. Where woman was melted. That's kinda cool who saying we don't I don't put that evil out there. Not you could good. You don't know what happened in my basement don't know her basements. Mom. Mom. Fair valid point how exciting that's the story and the legend of the sausage fat killer. So was his sausage factory New Orleans. No, it was in Chicago. But the ghost is in New Orleans. The ghost. Yes. I wonder if those condos are hunted. They didn't say a little piggies or by the woman that was melted. That would be my guess, maybe she didn't get killed in the sausage factory. Maybe maybe she was killed somewhere else. And brought back to the bat. But there were witnesses. Who said, oh, yeah, they saw her. That's why they started to search because they brought her back. They maybe it was weakened Bernie style. Put her arm around him like everything's fine. Just going to check on her sauce attractor at midnight. Like we do. I mean, I've never been to a sausage factory. So no if you have to check on it at midnight. I have no idea. The hours that sausage factories. Keep have third shift. Yeah, they would have third or not. But even then ten thirty is right around the time. Second and third be switching now will just a bad move all around on his part. Anyway, that's not the point. These command fascinating. Thank you, ma'am. Thanks for freaking out. Rebecca melted bodies closure. I did ask someone at work. I'm like, so if you had that and a lot of arsenic in pot ash, what is pot ash. What would I knew this? It's like it's like a type of potassium you can buy. It's you think of like emptying a bowl. That's what I was thinking to kind of where it stems from. 'cause like the way the initial use the make soap they would get like ashes from the pot to make the soap because it contained lie somehow thing is from what they boiled or burns. I don't know. I don't know how to make sausage also mind. Potassium compound, especially potassium, carbonate or hydroxide. She pulled up of her brain. Yeah. Just put that's what it is not from Google. It's not from Google. It's dictionary dot com. Thank you very much. Either way ask someone at work and ended up with a twenty minute conversation of melting bodies. That's a pro preate Newman Tiffany game is what are you guys talking about? I said nothing don't worry about it. Which of course, I was like I need to worry about. I am needy plot twists their Rebecca. Right. Yeah. I mean, thank you trysts was expecting news. He story. I got you with melting tend to creepy. It was creepy and melted bodies or weird some taking it you did not like breaking bad. I didn't watch it husbanded. But I did not don't watch breaking bad K. It's on my list. It's why don't put higher Clark acid and anything, but the correct plastic container. I don't think of ever come in contact with that. Hydrochloric acid? Hi, RIC Laurich acid yet HCL that used in drugs. What is is no easy to spend the bodies other. They just four in pregnancy tests. Not I drew Coorg in could've sworn on the cheap ones where you like drop it down there. It has something like an it's something see a levels. I don't know talk amongst yourselves. His as Tiffany as actually goes into the divas parts of her brain to determine to women p acid. I mean, a pregnancy. Does some weird I'm pretty ammonia the base get you with your smartness. What did you say? It was British your agency eighty HCL. It's h c g that's not human curiosity. Ghana doth trophy. Yup. Positive. That was great human Corey onic Ghana about op you'll that is probably a hormone says this hormone right out. Anyway, this episode of we Google stuff. 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Mueller Report Pt. 15

Mueller, She Wrote

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Mueller Report Pt. 15

"This episode of molar she wrote is brought to you by crest. The crest three d. whitening kit removes over ten years of tough that in staines to give you noticeably whiter teeth one hundred percent guaranteed for twenty dollars off your first crest whitening strip kit go to crest white smile dot com and enter promo code a._g. At checkout and thanks to ziprecruiter for supporting moore she wrote special coverage of the muller report. Hiring is challenging but there's one place you can go. We're hiring is simple fast and smart a place where growing businesses can connected qualified candidates that places ziprecruiter dot com slash a._g. So to be clear. Mr trump has financial relationships with any russian alydar but that's what he said. That's what i said. That's obviously with a position is i'm not aware all any of those activities. Activities are have been called a surrogate at the time material in that campaign and i didn't have not have communications at the lodge. What do i have to get involved with putin for have nothing nothing to do with putin had never spoken to him. I don't know anything about him other than he will respect me russia. If you're listening i hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing so it is political. Your communist know mr green. Communism is just a red herring hearing like all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist hello and welcome to muller. She wrote and our ongoing special coverage of the redacted the report. I'm your host a._g. And with me always julia johnson a no jordan coburn liu so today we're going to be covering too big acts of obstruction of justice. This is the juicy meat of of what i think is volume two so if you're a volume person you're going to be <hes> this section. <hes> this is going to be your thing. I think you'll enjoy it. <hes> we're covering pages the seventy seven to ninety eight parts e and f <hes> the effort to remove special counsel and the effort to curtail the scope of the investigation and we've been seeing quite a few subpoenas regarding these sections specifically from the white house judiciary committee citing impeachment powers as the reason including subpoenas for don mcgann lou in taos ski rick dearborn and rob porter and i and and i think we'll see some of these names pop up today more than once again pages seventy seven to ninety eight volume two. If you want to follow along or read ahead or just sit back and relax them. We'll tell you what happened so as we've been doing we're going to skip the overview and dive right into the evidence because the overview is just a summary of the evidence so had to page seventy eight subsection one the appointment of muller and trump's reaction to so satisfying to me <hes> so basically rosenstein we know he appointed muller on may seventeenth twenty seventeen seventeen seventeen and he then told sessions who then told trump who at the time was interviewing f._b._i. Directors with jodie hunt and don mcgann and according to hunts notes. Jody hunt took really good notes by the way the president's slumped back in his chair when he heard the news and said oh my god this is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked. I just love seeing him admit that he's in a bad place for one and i have to also say that just seeing the word fucked in print in a historic document is just crazy. That's intense. I love it. Trump got mad. He lashed out. It's sessions for recusing himself. Saying how could you let this happen jeff and contrasted him <hes> to hold her and kennedy again which he does every time he does is matt jeff sessions and sessions told muller trump said you were supposed to protect me and then said everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels at ruins your presidency it it takes years and years and i won't be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that's ever happened to me right like all <hes> it just it was shot in florida for me. It makes me happy and then trump told sessions he should resign and sessions said sure sherbro. I'll write you a letter and so hicks hicks who oh pick said she'd only seen trump like that angry like that one other time and that's when he learned about the access hollywood tape <hes> in both consequences of his own actions yeah. Ah why am i in this place. Where i met must've been that thing. I did or said so the next day the f._b._i. Told down don mcgann to preserve all material related to the komi firing and sessions finalized his resignation letter but trump put it in his pocket and ask sessions to stay. He didn't give him a letter back or throw it away put in his pocket and this is something new. We didn't know about it. I didn't i didn't know about this but when previous abandoned learned that trump didn't return the resignation letter to sessions they were worried he would use it to influence influence the department of justice it could function as a shock collar that the president could use anytime he wanted in previous said the president had the d._o._j. By the throat as long as he he had that letter and during his trip to the middle east the next day. I was nice when he was gone. I remember that hicks and trump showed hicks said that trump's showed the letter to a group of senior advisors and asked what he should do previous asked about the letter later during the trip but trump lied and said the letter was back at the white house and he didn't have it and it wasn't until may thirty a couple of weeks later that trump gave a letter back to sessions with a note saying not accepted weird right so under subsection two on page eighty the evidence of trump's assertion that muller was conflicted and this is the same shit we've heard over and over again muller first of all muller boots begging to be the f._b._i. Director he interviewed for for the f._b._i. Director job that he used to work for a law firm that represented people affiliated with the president which is true and the whole golf club fee dispute and trump's advisors including priebus and bannon mcgann pushed back saying those aren't really conflicts <hes> bannon went as far as telling trump is conflicts where ridiculous and none could justify precluding recruiting muller from serving a special counsel even calling the gulf fees ridiculous petty trump wanted to call rosenstein about the conflicts with the law firm but mcgann advised advised against it and you don't wanna sit on an airplane on a tarmac with your attorney general and he told trump he wouldn't call rosenstein for him either warning even discussing it with his personal attorney could look like he was trying to meddle in the investigation and knocking out muller would be another fact us to close -struction of justice another. I like how is that another and mcgann told trump that firing komi wasn't his biggest exposure but more so his other contacts and calls and his ask regarding flynn which was widely reported on june eighth and that's interesting because that's true also in the muller report and on june eighth komi testified again but this time about the president asking to let flynn go go and lift the cloud which led to a series of news reports that trump obstructed justice the following monday a friend of trump and reporter from newsmax media named chris ready christopher ready met with trump who told him he was seriously consider firing especially considering firing special counsel muller and ready asked priebus if he could tell everyone what the president said in previous said sure so he went on t._v. and said trump was definitely considering firing muller which kicked off extensive coverage in the media that trump wanted to fire the special idiots yeah he's like. I tell everyone purposes like surabaya. Newsmax media's the name yeah. That sounds like porn news. I know he does newsmax newsman to the new max all right. It's maximum news so anyway. The white house was pissed. That chris ruddy went out and told everybody this trump told sarah sanders to tell the public while he has every right to fire mueller he wasn't going to do it and on june thirteen trump's personal lawyer contacted muller's office about conflicts of interest seemingly ignoring mcgann's advice not even your personal attorney can contact the department of justice. You're going to look like meddling the same day rosenstein testified there was no good cost to terminate special counsel including for conflicts of interest in two days later muller called rosenstein and told him about trump's personal lawyers reaching out to him in case the d._o._j. Wanted to take any action on that which they didn't all right. 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We're onto page eighty four and the press reporting trump is being investigated for obstruction of justice and the big money no whammy trump directing mcgann began to fire mueller and on the evening of june fourteenth washington post published an article saying the special counsel was investigating whether the president had attempted to obstruct justice and this was the the first public report that the president himself was under investigation june two thousand seventeen by this special counsel's office and cable news networks quickly picked up on it and the washington post story. I stated that special counsel was invi interviewing <hes> intelligence community leaders including coats and rogers about what the president had asked them to do in response to commes march twenty twenty two thousand seventeen testimony that the inquiry into obstruction marked a major turning point in the investigation and that while trump had received private assurances from then f._b._i. Director james comey the remember he told him in january he wasn't personally under investigation. <hes> officials say that change shortly after combs firing and that evening at about ten and thirty the president called mcgann on again personal phone and asked they spoke fifteen minutes mcgann did not have a clear memory of the call thought they might have discussed the stories reporting that the president was under investigation. If only he was a cohen and recorded everything right or maybe he does and he just won't give them ooh yeah that could be. I don't know he seems pretty straight laced guy yeah true mcgann yeah yeah. It seems like someone that <hes> would be in kavanagh's friend. Group was bose actually like just a cool kid like just say i should say a good kid kid wanting to be a cool kid. Uh-huh jerks yeah kind of put them to be they should have but he's busy in his tribute band. That'd be i okay so teams in the wrong crowd. Maybe not the worst person he's definitely wrong with the wrong. People totally people bad job bad job so the next day the day after that after he had that fifteen minute call with mcgann. <hes> trump issued a series of tweets acknowledging. I love the tweets in this aisle. Also historical document demint the word fucked and a bunch of tweets. The president issued a series of tweets acknowledging the existence of the obstruction investigation criticizing it of course he wrote they made up a phony collusion illusion with the russians story found zero proof so now they go for obstruction of justice on their phony story nice <hes> you're witnessing the single greatest witch hunt in american political history st led by some very bad and conflicted people and crooked h destroys phones with hammer bleached emails and had husband meet with a._g. Days before for she was cleared and they talk about obstruction. Yes they do the next day so that that's just it. That's muller and here's some tweets they're important and they show intent we'll get to that in a second but the next day on june sixteenth the president wrote additional tweets criticizing the investigation after seven months of investigations and committee hearings about my collusion with the russians. Nobody's been able to show any proof sad and i am being investigated for firing the f._b._i. Director by the man who told me the fire the f._b._i. Director witch hunt and on saturday the president called again and directed him to have the special counsel removed so that's the statement that we've all been waiting for on saturday june seventeenth two thousand seventeen. The president called mcgann and directed him to have the special counsel removed mcgann was at home and the president was at camp david. He makes his worst decisions at camp david in interviews with the office office with the molars office mcgann recalled the president called him home at home twice and on both occasions directed him to call rosenstein and say that moore had conflicts that precluded him from serving a special counsel and on the first call again recalled trump said something like you gotta do this. You gotta call rod rod hot rod <hes> newsmax so mcgann said he told the president that he would see what he could do. I'll see what i can do. Oh my oh my god weird. It's so weird like how do you respond to that. So mcgann was perturbed by the call did not intend to act on a request he he and other advisers believed the asserted. It'd conflicts were silly and not real and they had previously communicated it says that not real and they previously communicated that that particular interview to trump is not real and mcgann also had made clear to the president that the white house counsel's office should not be involved in any effort to press the issue of conflicts mcgann mcgann was concerned about having any role and asking attorney the attorney general to fire the special counsel because he had grown up in the reagan era and wanted to be more like judge robert bork and not saturday saturday night massacre bork okay so <hes> mcgann considered the president's request to be an inflection point and he wanted to hit the brakes. That's what mcgann told muller calm again testify to that when we get into congress finally when the president called mcgann a second time to follow up on the order to call the department of justice mcgann recalled that the president was more direct saying something like call rod. Tell rodman has conflicts and can't be special counsel and mcgann recalled the president telling him more or has to go. Call me back when you do it. I wouldn't just do it himself consciousness of guilt. He knows it's wrong. They're obviously veasley gonna find what he did anyway this funny he thought he thought they wouldn't yeah and if anything this makes it look even worse. Hey going around directly going to. He's like going all in on that. Yes it gets better in section f with his when he asks lou in taos. Give us. The flavor isn't message. God we'll get there but <hes> anyway <hes> when the president called mcgann like i said he has said specifically more has to go and music and understood the president to be saying special counsel had to be removed by rosenstein to end the conversation with the president mcgann left the president with the impression that mcgann would call rosenstein mcgann recalled he had already ready said no to the president's request and he was worn down so he just wanted to get off the phone. Mcgann recalled feeling trapped because he didn't wanna follow the president's directive but did not know what he he would say the next time the president called so mcgann decided he had to resign he called his personal lawyer and called his chief of staff any donaldson to tell her and then he drove to the office to pack his belongings in his resignation letter he was ready to go and donaldson recalled that mcgann told her the president had called and demanded he contacted the department of justice and that the president wanted ed him to do something that mcgann did not wanna do you mcgann told donaldson the president had called at least twice in one of the calls have you done it and mcgann did not tell donaldson the specifics on the president's request because he was consciously trying not to involve her in the investigation but donaldson inferred that the president's directive was related to the russia investigation donaldson. What's in <hes> prepared to resign along with mcgann. That's a real on right there. That's a homey of of mcgann's not of ours. Sorry i should be more. She's mcgann's ends. Real ones yeah yeah. It's so interesting to me that he would resign in the face of this but won't just fucking testify. It's like obviously you have a moral issue with this stepping down yeah yeah because then he's gonna have a more. Maybe not a moral issue them yeah like he. He's like muller like miller's. I was like look all this shit is serious and someone needs to know about. I don't wanna even be the one to tell you and honestly you always put yourself in jeopardy when you're testifying <hes> yeah so. He's probably want to deal with that shit yeah. He's probably just more along. The lines off. Trump said i didn't have to sweet yeah totally but i will if you told me i have to. He's gonna say he would if they made him pressure and they're gonna make him. I think i think that's gonna go through pretty quickly anyway that evening mcgann called priebus and bannon and told them that he intended to resign and mcgann recalled after speaking with his attorney and given the nature of the president's request he did not share the details of the president's request with other white house staff. He didn't tell anyone and grievous recalled that mcgann said that the president had asked him to do crazy shit also in the historical documents but he fought mcgann to not tell him the specifics because mcgann was trying to protect previous moley mole so what he you know he didn't know if you need to know and you don't need to know and priebus and bannon both urged mcgann not to quit mcgann ultimately returned to work monday and remained in his position he had not told the president directly he planned to resign and when they next each other the president not ask him whether he had followed through about rosenstein and around the same time chris christie <hes> got a phone call with the president in which trump asked him what he thought about the president firing the special counsel that's all christie advised against doing so because it's stupid <hes> because there was no substantive basis for the president of special counsel and because the president would lose support from republicans in congress if he did so <hes> onto page eighty seven and this is the analysis of the three key components of obstruction of justice. I is the obstructive act <hes> and melissa's house with the president's firing of komi the attempt to special counsel would qualify as an obstructive act if it would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceeding that might flow from the inquiry even if the removal of the lead prosecutor would not prevent the investigation from continuing under a new appointee a fact finder would need to consider whether the act had the potential to delay further action action in the investigation chill the actions of any replacement special counsel or otherwise impede the investigation a threshold a threshold questions whether the president directed mcgann to have special counsel removed after news organizations reported in june two thousand seventeen the president ordered mcgann to how the special counsel fired the president publicly disputed the accounts and privately told him again he simply wanted ed mcgann to bring conflicts of interest to the department of justice's attention fire some of the president's liar. Some of the president specific language said that mcgann recalled from the calls halls is consistent with that explanation but substantial evidence however supports the conclusion that the president went further and in fact directed mcgann to call rosenstein to have the special counsel removed substantial evidence evidence exists <hes> i guess clear recollection was the president directed him to tell rosenstein not only the conflicts that existed but muller has to go mcgann is a credible witness with no motive to lie why or exaggerate given the position he held the white house mcgann spoke with the president twice and understood the director of the same way both times making it unlikely that he misheard or misinterpreted it and in response to that request mcgann decided to quit because he didn't want to participate in events just described as akin to the saturday night massacre. He called his lawyer drove to the white house packed packed up his office prepared to submit a letter with his chief of staff told priebus that the president had asked him to do crazy shit. I can't believe that's in here. That's not me that's not my you. Normal aga add living. That's told previous the president asked him to do crazy shit and informed previous band that he was leaving and those acts would be highly unusual a highly unusual reaction to request to convey information. Yes justice they would dramatic again exactly yeah but he's actually just appropriately responding yes and also in the days before calls to mcgann the president <hes> through his personal attorney had already brought the asserted conflicts the attention of the department of justice according to the president had no reason to have mcgann call rosenstein that weekend to raise conflict issues already been raised very smart and and and <hes> third the president's sense of urgency and repeated requests like you gotta do this you gotta call rod support mcgann's recollection that brought the present one of the department of justice to take action to remove the special counsel <hes> had the president instead sought only to have the department of justice reexamined conflicts to evaluate whether they pose an ethical bar it would have been unnecessary to set the process in motion on saturday and make repeated calls mcgann yeah because no one's working then no shit just him yeah. He's just up all night adderall doubt yep and is freaking the fuck out. It means like what can i do that would give me any sort of relief from any of the things i i'm going to call them again twice and just have him to talk about the conflicts conflicts yeah so finally trump discussed knocking out muller and raised conflicts of interest in a may twenty third two thousand seventeen call with mcgann reflecting the president connected the conflicts thanks to a plan to remove the special counsel and in the days leading up to june seventeenth two thousand seventeen when he made the statement to get rid of when you call them again to fire mueller the president made clear here to previous and bannon who told ruddy christopher ready that the president was considering terminating the special counsel also during that time period the present reached out to kristy to get his thoughts on firing special counsel all the evidence shows the president was not just seeking an examination of conflicts but was looking to use asserted conflicts as a pretext to terminate moeller and so yes there is an obstructive act next to an official proceeding to satisfy the preceding requirement it would be necessary to establish russian nexus between the president's act of seeking terminate the special counsel and depending or forseeable grand jury proceeding substantial evidence indicates that by june seventeenth the president senate new his conduct was under investigation by federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury on may twenty third mcgann explicitly warned the president that his biggest exposure closer wasn't firing komi but other contacts calls and the you know the flynn stuff when he asked me to let go down flynn by early june it was widely reported in the media that federal prosecutors had issued grand jury subpoenas in the flint inquiry and the special counsel had taken over the flynn investigation so on june nineteenth special counsel's office informed the white house investigators would be interviewing intelligence agency officials who allegedly had been asked by the president to push back against the russia investigation and on june fourteenth news outlets began reporting the president was himself being investigated for obstruction of justice based on widespread reporting and the president knew that such an investigation could include his request for commies loyalty his request to let the flamingo <hes> his outreach to coats and rogers and his termination of komi and statement to the russian foreign minister that he you know had relieved great pressure related to russia and in june sixteenth two thousand seventeen the day before he directed mcgann to have the special counsel remove. The president publicly acknowledged that his conduct was under investigation so this sounds to me like yes. There's next to an official proceeding or an impending one yeah they pingree in fact he's tweeted. Did i am being investigated for firing the f._b._i. Director by the man who told me to f._b._i. Director so interesting he knew he knew he was being investigated and it and so they're connected and then finally intent he says substantial evidence indicates the president's attempts to remove special counsel were linked to the special counsels oversight investigations that involved off the president's conduct and most immediately to reports that the president was being investigated for potential obstruction of justice and before the president fired komi the president considered critically important that he was not under investigation and the public erroneously think he was being investigated as describing volume two section two part d. advisers perceived the president <hes> <hes> while he was drafting the komi termination letter to be more concerned than anything about getting out that he was not under investigation and when the president learned of the appointment of special counsel he he expressed further concern about concern about the investigation saying this is the end of my presidency act. He also faulted sessions for recusing saying you were supposed to protect to me. That's bad for him to look. He agrees scene in the movie. Though posting protect did you try you heat blah blah john kennedy blah blah blah blah older blah blah and then on june fourteen when the washington post reported special counsel is investigating the president for obstruction the president was facing what he had wanted to avoid a criminal investigation into his own conduct <hes> and he was the subject of of it and that and that got a a lot of media attention and the evidence indicates the news of the obstruction investigation prompted the call to mcgann to seek to have special counsel removed and by mid june department of justice had already cleared a special counsel service service and <hes> the president's advisors told him that you know the claimed conflict conflict of interests were silly and did not provide a basis for the removal of special counsel on june thirteenth the acting attorney general testified before congress that no good cause for removing special counsel existed and the president dictated a press statement to sarah sanders saying he had no intention of firing a special counsel council but the next day the media reported the president was under investigation for obstruction of justice and the special counsel was interviewing witnesses about events related to possible obstruction so that that spurred the president to write his tweets you know his tweet storms about special counsel and the president called mcgann at home that night and called him on saturday from camp david the evidence accordingly really indicates that news on the news that an obstruction of investigation had been opened is what led the president to calm again to have the special counsel terminated him must be all the ghosts floating floating around camp david of pass shady presidents really sitting on his shoulder that night and totally just telling him to do and finally. He says <hes> muller says there's there's evidence that the president knew that he should not have made those calls to mcgann the president made the calls to mcgann after mcgann had specifically told the president the white house counsel's office in mcgann could not be involved in person income conflicts claims and that the president should consult with his personal counsel if he wanted to raise those conflicts with with which he did and instead of relying on his personal counsel to submit the conflict claims the president sought to use his official powers to remove special counsel and after the media reported the president's actions he denied it he denied he ever ordered began to have moore fired and made repeated efforts to have mcgann deny the story as discussed in volume two section two i which we aren't at yet and those deals our country to contrary entree to the evidence suggests the president's awareness that <hes> the direction to mcgann would be seen as improper so he knew so he had intent substantial so this is the big one. 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Ziprecruiter dot com slash h. e. ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire all right onto part f page ninety and this is about trump's effort to curtail the mueller probe and the last section was probably the juiciest but but this is the funniest. I think this is the comedy of volume to it. Actually is really hilarious. I feel like trump was probably super proud of himself when he thought of this dumb ass idea like august what i've got this great idea i could just see him like sitting on the toilet or something like this is going to be the best so basically two days after he told mcgann to fire mueller and i love that muller states that is a fact he just opens up two days after the president directed mcgann to fire me he called private citizen and former campaign chair corey lewandowski to the oval office and asked him to deliver a message to jeff sessions to to limit the mueller investigation to future elections and not the twenty sixteen election. This is one of my favorite new bits of information when this it's so great right <hes> uh-huh and trump followed up with lou douse key like a month later and lindau ski had a meeting with sessions but sessions cancelled it and then lewandowski's left the country for a while but told trump i got i got you deliver your message. It'll be delivered then he ran into rick dearborn and said hey we do this dearborn who was a white house aide at the time he asked him to deliver the message passage but dearborn wasn't comfortable with that and he told lindau sqi. He did deliver the message even though he never did. That's really funny. I got you bro so dearborn. You're born as we know. Recently subpoenaed lewandowski and dearborn brought from the house judiciary committee to in their impeachment in casa awesome. That's about this. I just think it's so funny. Lewinsky said testify. There's no collusion no obstruction <hes> but you took part in it so good luck with that yeah. He thinks he's off the hook because he didn't do anything <hes> but it is kind of doing something if you don't tell someone that's that's what he said also probably yeah i mean he's not in trouble you know right not to a criminal degree but <hes> but that is <hes> at least as far as i see him in my eyes yeah he's definitely on on the hook not doing something is doing something and a few days later after publicly criticising sessions in a new york times interview remember that crazy interview trump ordered previous to demand and sessions resignation preset bad idea. You'll never get a new agey. Confirmed trump said he would make a recess appointment to replace sessions and previous called called mcgann for advice. What do i do about this one and he told them not to do it and they should consult their private counsel with whom they have attorney client privilege and it's not mentioned here here but we know that bannon priebus and mcconnell the same lawyer named burke william burke and priebus mcgann also discussed resigning rather than carrying out trump's order to get rid of sessions so trump followed up with priebus asking if he got sessions resignation letter previous purposely lied to trump and said he was working on it but he called him later and said firing him was a mistake and trump agreed to hold off and then he tweeted should about him all weekend but agreed not to fire him so real quick. The obstructive act here is the president's effort to send sessions a message such through lewandowski would qualify as an obstructive act if it would naturally obstruct investigation or any grand jury proceeding the president sought to have sessions uh-huh announced that the president should have special prosecutor and that sessions was going to meet with the special prosecutor to explain this very unfair <hes> and and that it was very unfair and let the special counsel move forward with the investigation election meddling for future elections so that nothing can happen in future elections in the president wanted sessions to disregard his refusal which he had followed from a formal d._o._j. Ethics review and and sessions declared that he knew for a fact that there was no russians involved with the campaign because he was there and the president further directed the session should explain that the president should not be subject to an investigation gatien because he hasn't done anything wrong <hes> taken together the president's directives indicate that sessions was being instructed to tell the special counsel to end the existing investigation into the present isn't it with the special counsel being permitted to move forward with investigations in election meddling in future elections so yet chang schick and then next to official preceding as described above by the time of the president's initial one on one meeting with lu in taos ski. The existence of a grand jury investigation supervised by special special counsel was public knowledge so matt <hes> and then intent substantial evidence indicates the president's efforts to have sessions limit the scope of special counsel's investigation into the future elections was intended to prevent <hes> the investigation investigative scrutiny in the president's two thousand sixteen campaign conduct substantial evidence jack jack jack yeah. He's not just like i feel like you're going to need this more later. Worry about me now. Nothing fishy here at all nothing to see here and and <hes> militias the timing and circumstances of the president's actions support the conclusion that he sought the result to curtail the investigation and the president's initial direction that sessions should limit the special counsel's investigation came just two days after ordered baganda have special counsel fired which is itself <hes> which itself followed public reports that the president was personally under investigation for obstruction of justice. The sequence of those events raises an inter inference that after seeking to terminate special counsel the president sought to exclude his and his campaign conduct <hes> from the investigation scope and the president raised that matter with lou danske again on july nineteenth just two d. just days after emails and information about the june ninth two thousand sixteen eighteen meeting between russians and senior campaign officials had publicly disclosed generating substantial media coverage and investigative interest and the manner in which the president acted did provide additional evidence of his intent rather than rely on no <hes> on office channels the president met with lugansky alone in the oval office and the president selected a loyal devotee outside of the white house house to deliver the message supporting an inference that he was working outside white house channels including mcgann who had previously resisted contacting the department of justice about the special counsel. That's an interesting thought there and the president also did not contact the acting attorney general who had just testified publicly that there was no cause to remove molar instead the president tried to use sessions to restrict strict and redirect the special counsel's investigation when sessions was recused and could not properly take any action on it so <hes> in july <hes> events provide further evidence that the president's intent so there's even more if you didn't have enough already from the president followed up with lewinsky and a separate one meeting one month after his first dictated. I dictated the message for sessions demonstrating. He still sought to pursue the request and it just hours after lewis hausky assured the president and the message would soon be delivered the president gave an unplanned unplanned interview to the new york times when she publicly attacked sessions and raise questions about his job security and four days later on july twenty second the president directed priebus to obtain sessions resignation nation now evidence could raise inference that the president wanted sessions to realize that his job might be on the line as he evaluated whether to comply with the president's direction that sessions publicly announced that notwithstanding his refusal he was going to confine the special counsel's investigation just to future future elections so that is my two favorite favorite section so far yeah agreed this is amazing and i hope this is where the house takes it and all of this comes out again to the public in these <hes> testimonies yeah i think it will and <hes> we'll see it soon. <hes> we should probably i will be banking on their testimony. I think think we're gonna by the end of the year. I hope so maybe after christmas break yeah i mean i don't know what i would love to be a fly on the wall and hear what they're thinking timeline wise strategically because obviously obviously this is strategic how they're rolling this out right now yeah and we do have to wait for the courts to come back and they have asked asked the court to speed it up and the d._o._j. Has asked the court to slow it down. <hes> actually i think those are the tax documents and or the and the the deutsche bank capital one there so many investigations right right now. It's hard to know which it's hard to keep straight <hes> but join us next time we're gonna go over sections g and h where trump attempted to cover up june twenty sixteen trump tower meeting beating the june june ninth i believe and his additional efforts to get sessions to recuse. There's more so and that's going to be pages ninety eight to thirteen. If you want to read ahead and any final events yeah i wanted to get like hash tag team valium to t shirts and can be really cool. You know you've got some value. One peeps out there. I know they exist. Ah i think muller's volume one guy that makes sense. I'm a volume to calm probably volume. We will volume. He's in has the most komi it was trump cast that <hes> sort you like the sorting hat puts. You in a team wanted to have a whole thing. Not one of them is definitely more of a winning team than the other so go for two i like to that's my thing i i just like checking boxes of crimes like intent obstructive act next to a preceding next and then you get to check all the boxes and see where he's at so yeah. Thank you nexus yeah mary-anne grandmaison. Thank you for putting it so plainly <hes> <hes> yeah. It's pretty plain. It's pretty clear i think so. I appreciate that good work product addict high five all right. That's all we have so join us next time. I am your host a._g. 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Mueller Report - Pt. 10

Mueller, She Wrote

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Mueller Report - Pt. 10

"So to be clear Mr trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs shooting that's exa. That's obviously what positions I'm not aware. All any of those activities are have been called a surrogate at a time material in that campaign and I didn't have not have communication with the Russians they have to get involved with Putin for have nothing to do with have never spoken to him. I don't know anything about him other than he will respect me Russia. If you're listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing so it is political your communist know Mr Green Communism is just a red herring like all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist hello and welcome to muller she wrote and this is our special coverage of the Muller report as we do page by page analysis and bring it to you can textually whispers <hes> the first nine episodes can be found on our main feed and they're all about Russian contacts with the trump campaign this week <hes> the day after Muller's public testimony actually the house judiciary and intelligence committees. We are starting volume two of the report and this volume is on obstruction of justice so today we're going to cover the first fourteen pages of volume two which includes the introduction the executive summary and section one the background legal and evidentiary principles which is comprised of the legal framework for obstruction of justice where we break down what you know what makes obstruction of justice obstruction of justice and the investigative evidentiary consideration so there's a lot of technical stuff in this <hes> I'm going to break break it down for you in Layman's terms so that it's easy to understand <hes> that's what we're here for. So how are you guys doing with me today. As always urge Lisa Johnson and Jordan Coburn no doing good yeah what's up. Yes it's getting hotter. It is in the world. They were everywhere wise. It's also politically yeah politically lit trying to make a stupid pun there but yeah I didn't quite work global warming hoax folks whether it's all big hoax yes but yet we're sweating. That's how that's going and the House Intelligence Committee testimony yesterday was mostly about the Russian contact stuff which is what we covered in parts one through nine but it was the first three hours with the House Judiciary Committee that focused more on what's in volume two which were starting today and that's the obstruction of justice aspects of the investigation so assuming you've already reviewed the table of contents <hes> and read the syllabus read the class syllabus <hes>. Let's get start on page one volume to the mall report. Let's do it <hes> so the opening statement Muller tells us the reason he's writing his report and that's because of the rule that states he must write a report and it actually says he has to provide a confidential report explaining the prosecution and and declaration decisions he reached during his investigation and we were all kind of wondering when the report came out or before it came out how he was going to do that because all he really had to do it could have been a twenty page report and he could have just listed who he prosecuted and who he he did not and he didn't even have to go into y or tell the full story so we actually got a really really good robust report from him <hes> more than what I thought we were going to get so <hes> here we are going and it's going to take us twenty episodes to get through it but it is important and if you haven't read it you guys have read it so never mind. You're not the target market. <hes> more says it at the beginning of two thousand seventeen trump took actions towards the ongoing F._B._i.. Investigation into Russian interference that raised questions as to whether he obstructed justice and that Muller had jurisdiction to investigate obstruction and he had jurisdiction to investigate whether trump obstructed the Mueller investigation itself so not just the obstruction of the F._B._i.. Crossfire hurricane investigation but <hes> any breaks is into two parts and we'll get into that later but also obstruction of his own of Muller's investigation so he he had the jurisdiction to do both of those things and that was spelled out in in those public kind of memorandum's that said what you know what jurisdiction <hes> Muller has it's also spelled out in the rules of the special counsel and several other places so there shouldn't be any question as to whether or not he can look into this so volume to summarize those obstruction investigations so again. This is a summary. This isn't all of the obstruction of justice which which <hes> we call the cafe of obstruction collectively early for obstruction of justice <hes> and in this introduction Muller I describes the considerations that guided his investigation and then provides an overview of the volume so we have four considerations iterations here I <hes> this is Muller says he determined not to make a traditional prosecute prosecutorial judgment in the case of obstruction and there's a lot of controversy about this right and he based this decision on a long Standing Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel Finding or opinion that <hes> the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting president would <hes> it would undermine the capacity of the executive branch and the government or the president to perform its constitutionally assigned functions in violation of the constitutional additional separation of powers so muller accepted <hes> accepted that and agreed with its findings apart from constitutionality so I don't know if he necessarily he he's basically saying I can't tell you whether or not I agree with at this memo or this you know this policy. This audio counts policy but I followed it and that's what he said and that's why we didn't get an indictment out of him. <hes> second and this is probably even more controversial part he says even though we can indeed a president the memo says an investigation is permissible and a lot of Republicans asked about that why'd you bother investigating the guy from Wisconsin if you knew you couldn't indict him why'd you bother investigating this answers that question and it notes that the president does not have have immunity after he leaves office as well <hes> this Republican Ken Buck asked Muller if trump could be indicted when he leaves office and trump and Miller says yes you sure can so trump and then he clarified so the president of the United States. It's can be indicted for obstruction of justice after he leaves office YEP that's correct. Thanks for clarifying WHOA that means he's guilty. It's pretty great. trumpetings consider all things considered and trump was asked about this after the hearings things and he called it fake news and said that Miller had corrected that statement but he did not he was complaining that with another correction made about <hes> that he made about the president obstructing justice and he wanted to clarify the president did all the things that he outlined signed but that he would not make a determination per the memo. That's what Muller was saying <hes> and that was the correction that that he made <hes> in during the hearings something about with Ted Lose Line of questioning not what can buck said Yeah I interpreted it as has Lou said so the reason you did not indict him was because of the Oil Seema and he said yes which he probably immediately was like fuck that that or we had this discussion maybe it was like a Freudian slip right right but something that made him come background and say I was not trying to say that he definitively would have been indicted had he not finished sitting president right but it does seem like that's what is the case because he's basically saying Oh yeah. The only reason I didn't indict him was because of the memo and then you know bill bar picked up the phone and call somebody and end says an action yeah obstruction from over here and that's why Muller was like okay. I didn't reach that decision. <hes> that's what they should have said yeah right but yeah indicating you can indict him after he leaves office presumes. He's a criminal so that he did. He hasn't redacted that statement yet. I thought he would correct it or amend it but he has not and that's interesting. Muller says with regard I just love I would love it. If Bill Bar was like you've gotTa Change Your Statement. He's like no. I'm not gonNA EAT Shit Shit Yeah. That would be interesting. I'm not saying that that happened. I'm just dreaming Melissa's with regard to the L._l._C. permitting an investigation despite the inability to indict trump that he conducted an investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh in documentary documenting materials were available so we've said that multiple occasions and that is one of the reasons that the memo allows you to continue to investigate even if you're not going to indict somebody and then third molar considered whether whether to even call what trump did obstruction of justice and this is another thing that people are like the Democrats are mad about like why didn't you just say you could accuse him of obstructing justice without indicting him for it. Why didn't you just at least say it and <hes> Muller determined that because of fairness fairness concerns he did not want to reach that judgment when no charges could be brought because he couldn't bring charges <hes> he didn't want to accuse him of it and this isn't in the memo this is this is just muller but he saying that since he can indict he didn't WanNa say trump committed obstruction of justice because the ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation like that is through a speedy public trial where witnesses can be cross examined and the embedded in the individual can defend themselves? Oh he knows that his testimony would be used as evidence against trump and he thinks that'd be unfair for his personal opinion. No because there won't be a trial he can't indict him so there won't be a trial so he can't accuse him publicly because it's unfair because he has no way to defend himself through law right but even later her he knows people are going to want to try to you know get them after he's out of office so I wonder why he wouldn't just say it now. It seems like he's just afraid of that. Being used no trump down the line Yano it's it's specifically because it would be unfair to trump if he accused him of that because trump wouldn't be able to face his accuser and have cross examinations and have a jury of his p until way later to have due process that makes sense yeah and or maybe not later the right patients rolls out then it passes then he can't do that at all get so he wasn't even going to do it <hes> and that was his reason and again. That's not in the memo. That is just what Muller decided to do. He said it's not he bent over backwards to be fair to trump right. That's what it seems like because he could to come out and said Oh he committed obstruction of justice. Yeah I know I would <hes> but he really honestly so conservative. He felt that because the man doesn't have the means to defend himself through due process of trial because it can't be indicted. It would not be fair K. so I I don't get that but sure what I mean. That's nice but I you know but at least if trump is prosecuted after he gets out of office he you can't come back and say that he was treated unfairly. Yeah that's a good point. Yeah I mean muller would basically be triggering pulling the trigger on a constitutional crisis rate there. If you came out and said anything definitively yeah wall siding that will see opinion. It's like well. Here's this information but here's also this information that says I can't indict him. Even if I wanted to so good luck with that he's GonNa do that. Honestly I yeah that's that's the only thing that I feel like I would do differently if I couldn't. His position could jeopardize actual prosecution after trump gets. It's out you were talking about that could make that it could make that an appealable case and you don't WanNa fuck with that right so you wanna be able to prosecute trump wants he's out of office <hes> so that kind of holds that case together for him a little bit but he didn't to say that in here <hes> I don't know if he was thinking it or not then we'll never know because he didn't answer the question <hes> but he goes on to say the fairness issue would be heightened in this case because he's a sitting president where accusations of crimes even sealed even in a sealed report could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice so it's just totally unfair bro <hes> the office of Legal Counsel also noted similar concerns about sealed indictments <hes> even if an indictment were sealed during the president's term it would be very difficult. Call to preserve secrecy and if it became public stigma could imperil the president's ability to govern now whether you agree with that constitutionality or not <hes> it's a rule and muller followed it so yeah makes sense and finally fourth and here's the bombshell if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice we would so state but based on the facts and the applicable legal standards however we are unable to reach that judgment the evidence we obtained about the president's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred basically he he broke the law so hard it makes it difficult for us to say as innocent yeah that's impressive and accordingly while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime it also does not exonerate him and this paragraph on page two volume two will be printed I think in history books for generations and it will be the focus of special counsel testimony of the House Judiciary or it was it was a big the focus of that because a lot of Republicans were like it's not your job to exonerate and he's like I didn't and he's like yeah but you can't even say that you didn't he's like but I can't indict but then you wanted me to say then you said that I was prosecuted for Yeah Not saying that he too for not drawing a conclusion yeah. It seems like both sides want Muller to be more directing molars like I'm not gonNa tell either of you what you want. I'm just going to lay out the facts and let you think for yourself and you know duke it out or whatever yeah basically I'm Don Congress. It's your turn totally yeah. It's pretty much how it goes so this is simple. He can't say the President committed a crime so he said the next best thing. President didn't not commit a crime double negative <hes> molar within gives an overview of the report saying section one provides an overview of obstruction of justice principles and summarizes certain investigatory and evidentiary considerations section two is the factual results in analysis of obstruction evidence section three goes over the statutory Taurean constitutional defenses and what that means is that when trump's lawyers say because itution says it can do anything and the laws don't prevent me <hes> well he puts a whole section here about why that's wrong and section four states his conclusions so we're GonNa continue with the executive summary and then we'll go into section sound good Sam word so Muller's investigation focused on a series of actions by the President that related to Russia probe <hes> that's the underlying crime if you want one and including <hes> this includes his conduct talked with law enforcement and witnesses to relevant events so let's go over those key events that begin to the top of page three. This is the cafe of obstruction right okay. The first is the campaign's response to public reporting about Russia supporting the trump campaign. This goes does <hes> to trump denying Russia interfered while simultaneously seeking information about planned wikileaks releases like you know Russia didn't interfere hey ones that wikileaks thing coming out exactly <hes> the redaction here is for harm to an ongoing matter likely early says from Roger Stone <hes> because we're talking about wikileaks and that's an ongoing matter it possibly Manafort who may have had contact with Julian assange. We don't know yet or junior just going to say yeah maybe junior could be <hes> I know stone for sure and additionally additionally trump lied about having business contacts with Russia despite trying to build a trump tower Moscow with with which both junior and Cohen lied about four him and Muller notes here that trump's possible motivation or intent <hes> which is that <hes> reports of Russian interference might lead us to question the legitimacy of his election so so what if it's calling then because he's staffing got ongoing matters it it could be but I still think stone yeah yeah but what's really funny here is that he's so caught up in his legitimacy. A you know a member of the electoral map he hung Hicks his desk. Oh yeah office and he's just he's. He's he holds it closer to heaven. It's more important to him than his testicles and I think they might be inextricably linked but that what is what brought him down in the intent because he's like well. I wasn't I would just Matt. I wasn't trying to cover up a crime but we'll go into a little bit later about circumstantial evidence an intent on the entirety of the case looking at all of the issues and the fact that he was worried what about the legitimacy legitimacy of his presidency gives him motive to obstruct justice in into the investigation into the Russian election. Oh Yeah it's it's. It's just it's sweet irony. Nobody really picked up on that in in the news cycle when this report came out but it's like it's his crying and so worried about your Dick. <hes> that you you know broke the law protecting your debt. That's so fun to me. <hes> next is the conduct involving encomium Flynn <hes> and we know what happened here right in mid January before trump took office flynn lied to pence and the F._B._i.. About talking to Kislyak about Russia's response to the Obama sanctions the ones that were imposed for election interference and I think that gets missed sometimes too you <hes> but the day after trump was told about Flynn's lies the day after he invited Komi to a private dinner and ask me for loyalty then on Valentine's Day <hes> the day after the president asked Flynn to resign which I don't think he did <hes> he told an adviser now that we fired Flynn the Russia thing is over and the adviser said Nah investigation keeps going. It's not no that's not firing no and keep in mind that there's evidence like I said that trump did not fire flynn into book fear member. We covered this in our in our book review fear by Bob Woodward. I think a source told Woodward that trump said let's say let's say we fired Flynn. That sounds better than than what I don't know because they didn't like what really happened. We still don't know but it does call into question what happened to flint in those eighteen days between learning that he lied depends on the F._B._i.. And his eventual departure from the administration all I don't know what happened but I don't think he was fired. Yeah I agree. It seems like a cover up. But what are they covering up. That's the idea right exactly the same day that same adviser told trump the investigation would continue the president doesn't cleared the Oval Office after a meeting except for combs you stay behind and I remember reading. It's not in the report but I remember reading the sessions really wanted to stay in pre-bus no us out but he was like get the fuck out in session state anyway and sessions. I don't want me here you know get the fuck out and because knowing leaving him alone with the director of the investigation into him was about fucking Dombi is free debt. That's like a frigging trap dude one hundred percent a trap except it was not a trap Apu is just one he knew he would walk into set by anybody knowing Suchitra just trump us giving whom he creates his own trap and walks into it free <hes> so anyway trump said Takumi. I hope you can see you or your way clear to letting this go to letting flynn go. He's a good guy. I hope you can let this go and that is exactly why sessions didn't want to leave the room because that right there is an obstructive act we called it when it happened when it was publicly reported boarded and now it's right here in Muller's report as one of the yeah. Would you even give sessions that much credit though to even know that that was going to happen and I don't even believe he would happen. I feel like he just wanted to be included. That seems I don't know that's this used to be. An deputy. AGEE's the way was described in the book you see my he was nervous. I felt like he knew I felt like <hes>. Don't suck then yeah. I guess I got more of that sense from previous than I did. Okay Yeah Yeah I think so too I agree but but sessions is a lawyer and he did correctly recuse himself from yes to Gatien which comes up here at the Council of ethics lawyers though have ignored those fuckers in the past true and yet currently mucking whitaker and yeah. You'll have to pin me down to get me to accept that sessions made a good decision. I feel you I feel you <hes> trump also sought to have Flynn's Deputy K._t.. Mcfarland draft an internal letter stating the president had not directed Flynn to discuss sanctions with Kislyak McFarland declined because she didn't know if that was scheduled and a lawyer in the White House counsel's office thought that it would look like squid pro crow which is what we call quid pro quo <hes> for offering McFarland Farland an ambassadorship that she recently got so it'd be like I'll give you ambassador to Singapore of you. Write me this letter. Hey Hey hey hey hey and she's like Nadia now. Not Bro Sketch so trump as flynn to talk to Russia about sanctions <hes> then found out flynn was being investigated for lying about it then told the public he fired him. <hes> found out that firing Flynn didn't kill the investigation. He asked me to let it go then he offered Flynn's deputy and ambassadorship in exchange for creating a false record that trump didn't ask Flynn to talk to the Russians about the sanctions Obama implemented for helping elect trump nothing to see here no big deal. That's my summary. That's not muller summer. There's a lot of stuff in there that we don't know to your paraphrasing <hes> on the third action having did you do with trump's reaction to <hes> continuing Russia investigation and sessions considering recusals from the Russia investigation because of his partition participation in the trump campaign right member. He's like I gotta go so in March. Trump told the White House counsel Don mcgann to stop sessions nations from recusing because he heard wind he heard television racist possum was gonNA recuse himself and when sessions recused on March second the next day trump was so pissed he exploded with anger. He told his advisors that he should have an A._G.. Who would protect him? This isn't the report but I believe he said something about Roy Cohn. I need my Roy Cohn and he said something about Eric holder protecting the Obama <hes> and that weekend trump took sessions aside at an event and urged him to UNR- accused himself which is not a thing. Could you unfocused totally <hes> later that month. Komi testified that the F._B._I.. Was Investigating Russian efforts to interfere in the two thousand sixteen election including any links to the trump campaign that prompted trump to reach out to the deny director of national television's and the directors terms of the CIA and the N._S._A.. To ask them to publicly announce trump didn't have anything to do with the Russian interference and he also called Komi twice even though mcgann told him not to. He's like don't have direct contact with the Department of Justice Bro Priebus told him that a two that's not in the report but that was in previous notes and Komi had previous previously told trump the F._B._i.. Was Not investigating him. Personally and the president asked me to lift the cloud of the Russia investigation by publicly exonerating him not on page four. We're onto the next action the firing of Jim Komi so on May third in public testimony. Komi would not answer whether trump himself was under investigation. This is later after he said he wasn't <hes> and because basically when he was under investigation. Komi couldn't say that anymore so within days trump fired Komi <hes> the president insisted the termination letter which was written for public release state that Komi told him he was not under investigation and the day of the firing the White House said he was fired based on <hes> independent recommendations dacians from sessions and Rosenstein that Komi was fired for his mishandling of the Hilary Clinton email investigation but the president decided to fire Komi before hearing from the D._O._J.. <hes> the day after he fired Komi he told Russian officials in the Oval Office that he faced great pressure because of Russia which had been taken off by firing comey and he called he called him a crackpot two or something calling me and the next day trump admitted in a TV interview Lester Holt Lester. Holt's name isn't in this. I just know it <hes>. He was GONNA fire Komi regardless you know and he he said when he decided I just to do it. I was thinking that this Russia thing with trump and Russia is a made up story and that was the famous Lester Holt interview. Everyone was like what and when Lester Holt asked him if he was angry with Komi about the investigation investigation trump said as far as I'm concerned. I want that thing to be absolutely done properly adding that firing Komi might even lengthen the investigation. Yeah you know I 'cause you know it's fucking bullshit illegal. That's why would lengthen the investigation. That's consciousness of guilt right there that goes. Goes toward intent and I wouldn't be surprised when he breaks down the three criteria that that comes up as proving that he had knowing intent that that he was corrupt yet in his decision. Why else would he say that because because I'm hesitant to believe that that is why he would say that but I can't think of another reason as to why he would say that the investigation trying to defend himself saying oh I wasn't trying to shut down the investigation fire in Komi would make it worse <hes> you know? I probably what his DOT was. I see okay so you're saying he's just going to deny that he did the thing that he didn't not everyday to it. It would have done the thing that it did. Yeah it would have been crazy. Okay totally <hes> onto the next obstruction event the bottom of page for regarding the efforts to remove special counsel. This has to be weird to write about yourself although I. I don't think that Muller himself probably wrote this entire report <hes> I think it was written by his staff and and he probably probably okay didn't signed it and went through it and explain to him and people are giving him shit about that too like. Did you even write the report. Did you even write your statement. He's like I'm not talking about that Yeah Muller who wrote it wrote who wrote it. I you know I mean he's. He was in charge of the whole thing. He was the conductor of the train. He's not that's why you have nineteen people on your staff who are expert lawyers anyway. Rosenstein appointed Muller on May Seventeenth <hes> I think in great part due to pressure by Andrew McCabe to preserve the independence of the F._B._i.. And to protect the investigation <hes> that's not in the report. I'm just going by what we read. In the threat by Andrew McCabe and trump's reaction was oh fuck. This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked <hes> and he demanded her resignation. From sessions. Immediately sessions submitted his resignation but trump ultimately did not accept him the president told Aides Muller was conflicted and could not serve and his advisors told him the conflicts were meritless and they'd already been vetted by the Department of Justice <music> an Rod Rosenstein before he was appointed like a thanks but we thought of that. We know you don't vet people but we vet people right so he probably just thought like anyone he hires. No one looked into it. Do you think if snoop daggers there instead of bar or sorry if Barbara instead of soup dagga would have gone differently from the beginning I do but only because it seems like their intentions were slightly different. Rosenstein was just trying to survive and then bar is like come straight up you know like hitman Siemens or whatever goon trump's or this could have been before bar sent his you know nineteen page memo to the Department of Justice about how the president it is above all I don't know if he always thought that way or if he became to think that way so that he could get this job and be this pit bull he might not have been because a lot of people were surprised when bar came in and started breaking the law in doing impeachable label things and you know pass his checkered past. Yes I guess we shouldn't all be terribly surprised like even Chuck Rosenberg and Andrew Torres like people we know were like we thought he was an `institutionalised like Rosenstein Stein Lewis's friend recently before all this went down yeah. I forgave him for the ninety everyone else we all make mistakes for the nineties. The Internet forgive snow one true very true for millennials grew up on the Internet. I've been on facebook since the Sixth Grade Thirties okay college student yeah yeah that's true I started on my space and then I switched over to face. Big Space was in its heyday. When I was just turning thirty yeah I used to spend hours deciding what my profile song would be who you my top eight friends were and then they expanded to twelve and harder God? I know I know that twelve friends yeah that was hard for my thirty year old life. Can you imagine who like trump's top eight was at the time <music> at that time or now because now it'd be easier for me to get back then it'd be Epstein and Stone Yeah Clinton Win over Utah Fate. What the Hell Brody yeah definitely not liking good? What a Great Group of folks <hes> so on June fourteenth? We'll go back here that the meet the media reported that Muller was investigating whether trump obstructed justice we all found out on June fourteenth <hes> about a little less than a month after he was appointed and trump reacted with a series of tweets criticizing the Department of Justice and Muller and on June seventeenth the president called mcgann at home and directed him to call Rosenstein Nine and say that the special counsel had conflicts of interest and must be removed. Even those advisers have already told him they've been vetted. They're not they're meritless. mcgann did not carry out the direction and and went and packed went to his office that night packed his stuff up and was going to resign and he told me he was going to resign rather than trigger a potential Saturday night massacre which is during Watergate Nixon fired a special counsel and then <hes> the attorney general resigned and the deputy attorney general resigned and Solicitor General is finally the one who well. I'm sorry Nixon asked the Attorney General to fire the special counsel. He resigned in protest. Ask the deputy who became the acting. He resigned that same night then finally the Solicitor General is the one who fired Archibald Archibald Cox and then that was a Saturday night massacre yeah yeah a bunch of other people I think resign in protest but those are the begins so he's like. I'm not going to be part of this. Holy Fuck. I'm GonNa Resign <hes> because I'm not going to kick this off <hes> but that sounds like it would kick it off but whatever the beginning of the end so page five onto page five in the next obstructive act this has to do with trump's attempts to curtail the Mueller investigation not not fire muller but like limit his investigation curtail sounds like like acuity obstructed yeah tweaking curtail and this is the part where two days after he asked mcgann to fire Mueller and he refused he asked private citizen and former campaign chair can corey Lewandowski to tell sessions to publicly announce that even though he was recused jeff sessions the investigation was very unfair to trump and <hes> <hes> he also told him to order muller to only move forward with investigating election meddling in future elections <hes> Lewandowski. He said he understood what trump wanted him wanted sessions to do but a month later he still hadn't done it. Lewinsky hadn't delivered the message so trump asked him for a status update and he said I'll do a soon soon Boston but hours after that meeting trump publicly criticised sessions the New York Times interview and then issued a series of tweets threatening sessions's job. I remember when those came out. Lewinsky didn't want to deliver trump's message no more so <hes> he asked Rick Dearborn to do it and he's passing the buck to Rick <hes> Dearborn and Mashburn Mashburn Nashville yeah that's awful Garfunkel and it's very cute and so yeah he's Dearborn Dearborn and Mashburn two of the guys who were responsible for <hes> change in the platform warm to be ease up on the anti Russia hates Ukraine language sure so <hes> yeah they didn't want to say that they were gonNA give lethal weapons to Ukraine but just assistance where needed they wanted to ease up uh on so be it on Russia's behalf yeah because they wanted to you know they were the annexation of Crimea. We also impose sanctions Obama did for that everything that Obama disillusioned ask you. This is actually a <hes> thing that I'm not completely clear on. He asked sessions to come out and say that the whole thing was unfair. After he was already recused and then he also was ordered task sessions to tell molar that he couldn't investigate anything unless it was a future thing not that he asked him to directly. Go Talk to molar okay that makes more sense up until this point. I understood that as him saying he was supposed to go to muller directly as LOU DOUSE KSI. Oh yeah no I mean and might as well go into a recused attorneys but yeah yeah still yeah yeah I mean it's still obviously completely ridiculous but would've ballooned. Ask you probably had no idea how to find muller himself so yeah I mean but he wouldn't have the right because he we didn't do any of it. No he didn't he has dearborn to do it. In Dearborn wouldn't do it either. He's like I know I'm just dearborn but fuck you so the next obstructive act is trump's effort to prevent public disclosure of evidence and this has to do with his efforts to lie to the public about the purpose of the June nine hundred thousand sixteen trump tower meeting and he did this with hope Hicks and junior in tow <hes> so not only on several occasions did he direct AIDS not to publicly disclose the emails that set up the trump tower meeting but he also dictated the statement <hes> from Air Force this one on the way back from the g twenty summit. I think that <hes> trump junior because trump jr in New York time as trump junior what the meeting was about and trump and trump dictated to trump junior with hope Hicks on the phone and that Guy Raphel Josh Raphel fell was there I think and he quit a babysitter. No it's <hes> yeah him <hes> and then there was another lawyer who quit <hes> that was on air force yeah and protests they not going to be around like this is very illegal. Yeah this is obstruction Asian of justice they said the words <hes> and so this ended up in this in the Miller report as well and one of the <hes> crimes of obstruction committed by the president interfering by altering that statement yeah and it also probably helps go toward intent and basically saying that this wasn't a meeting about getting Russian dirt or Russian dirt on Hillary. This was a meeting about Russian adoption yes and that's when we started just referring to sanctions as adoption because that's what it is colloquially right. Yes colloquial very good very good. Learn the same thing yeah. We're making fun of yesterday on an episode that <hes> Doug Collins a Republican was trying to get muller to say that a collusion and coordination conspiracy mean the same thing paying by reading him a part of a sentence in his report was part of a larger paragraph describing why he didn't use the word collusion then said sometimes collusion and conspiracy colloquially mean the same thing and I don't think a lot of people you know trump supporters would understand the doctoral level meaning of the word colloquial and you just presented in the Permian Fashion Tana saw people on twitter. I learned from H.. E. You used it in a sentence nice now. I used to play spell it. Let's see here so in the next obstructive act has to do with trump's further efforts to have sessions take control the investigation so we tried again right so because early summer because it was back in March that he wanted him to recuse but now we're in summer and trump called sessions again to ask him to enrique us but sessions said no and then later in October now or in the fall trump ask sessions to investigate Clinton and then in December shortly after Flynn flipped trump told sessions that if he recused and took back supervision to the motor probe he would be considered a hero and he added. I'm not GonNa do anything or direct you to do anything and that's consciousness of guilt right. There and I'm sure this isn't a report because that goes toward corrupt intent <hes> <hes> he told sessions he I just wanted to be treated fairly session. Sessions assured the president that he never saw anything improper and there was a whole new leadership team but he's not gonNA on recuse himself so he tried to comfort the orange man but didn't work to know to no avail the next act of obstruction starts at the bottom of page five and it goes into page six outlines the efforts to have mcgann deny that he ordered him to fire Mueller basically after trump told him again to fire Mueller mcgann almost resigned rather than carry out that order trump directed. Did White House officials to tell mcgann takes too much of a coward to tell him again this himself <hes> to create a false document stating he had not been ordered to have muller fired and mcgann told those advisers that trump did tell them to fire muller so he's not going to write that thing that's falsifying records <hes> and then trump met with mcgann after that impression to deny it and asked him why he told the special counsel trump asked him to fire Mueller and why mcgann took notes of his conversations with trump <hes> and mcgann refused to back away from what he remembered happening and perceived trump to be testing his medal or testing his loyalty yeah yeah to not happen and that's creating a false document. That's not something that because a lot of times trump and his lawyer say I'm just doing my constitutional duty under article two of the Constitution I can fire Komi. That's my constitutional power for whatever reason I can do. Whatever the fuck I want but you can't say that the constitution constitution protects the president's ability to file false documents in the record so that's a hard argument to make this goes outside of that and I think that that's why they brought this this specific <hes> event of obstruction or action of obstruction up in Muller's testimony Tony and and kind of stuck on it for a while the dumbs wanted to know falsifying documents you know that's huge and it is it it it lies outside of the president's core constitutional powers and responsibility? If you're climbing that can't be an excuse you know right that too but and also but this specifically because he was crying when he fired Komi because he corrupt intent but that's within his article two powers to fire whoever he wants this is not anywhere in the cost of fuck contusion usually yeah unless he could make the legal argument that by hint doing that was going to somehow preserve the union in a way that only the president could see fit to seek out right. I hear you yeah but that's that that would be jason but that's something that would come through impeachment proceedings right yeah if that if that actually happened who but I yeah I bet I mean that's like that's the biggest loophole that have so we're in the court of law after he loses the twenty twenty yes yeah well. That's an interesting so if they're there yeah okay. This is like a whole conversation I guess but yeah I'll I'll remember this for later. We talk about charging him. After his presidency yeah yeah put it in the parking lot. Corporate Conference Calls Nice onto page six and the obstructive destructive acts surrounding the conduct toward Flynn Manafort and redacted now. I've redacted name here was Cohen because I know that trump said a lot of public stuff about Flynn being a good guy and manafort being a good guy and stay strong and I thought the third one was was calling because he said a lot of things publicly about Cohen but it's not because Cohen is covered in the next paragraph as all the stuff that trump said about him publicly but what if Linden manafort having common trump's supported them they they pleaded good well Flynn didn't plead not guilty but he supported him dangled good point so I think it and keep in mind our redaction guesses are just guesses based on public reporting and what we know the investigation we make no guarantees. He's about assertions of what's behind these reactors. We should do like a will of liability redacted edition from the Miller Report <hes> I think this is stone and I'll tell you why in a minute so going into the flint thing after Flynn withdrew from his Joint Defense Agreement Agreement Mueller writes that trump's lawyer called Flynn's lawyer to remind him about how much trump likes flynn and ask for a heads up about what Flynn was telling Muller and Flynn's lawyer told trump's lawyer who we now know to be John Dowd but is not mentioned by name here he might come up later that he can't share that information anymore because they aren't part of that joint defense agreement and since this report was released the judge in Flynn's case Judge Sullivan ordered that voice mail released to the public. It's available for you to hear go. Go look it up John Dow yeah put it in there right in between screen daily habitual and peekaboo yeah we'll ringtone for you. <hes> he threatened Flynn and dangled a pardon pretty blatantly <hes> and then regarding Manafort who pleaded not guilty trump praised him and said stay strong you know said during during his trial that he was being treated unfairly and he wouldn't rule out a pardon and <hes> after he was convicted trump called manafort a brave man for refusing to break and said that flipping almost should be outlawed and they brought that up in yesterday's testimony to like should flipping be outlawed. He's like no we would have have no. We have no right. It's so funny. How like trump was cheering muller? I'm manafort on. Thank you know. Stay strong demand get to you you know trying to the man in every way so this isn't an report but on December over in December two thousand eighteen after a tired of comments about Michael Cohen Saying Cohen Cohen made up stories about trump he called himself in the third person trump. <hes> trump tweeted about stone quote. It's nice to know that some people still have guts trump also said about about stone that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor sounds like an out of control rapist <hes> to make up lies and stories about the president so my guess about this redacted sentences is that it says in December two thousand eighteen trump tweeted about roger stone. Don't who pleaded not guilty that it's nice to know that some people still have guts or something to that effect. I guess but that's what the other two are kind of along the same lines. He's also not a prosecutor. This is so annoying that people keep saying that well was the phrase but you're right in America but that's like a prosecutor so in that gets brought onto a case right. That's like this is a person that is going to sue somebody or is going to criminally charge somebody right right but manage but there's he's teamed yes and there's a difference. There's a difference between being like the subject of an investigation versus someone who is blatantly going to be essentially attacked in a courtroom by a prosecutor in a predetermined prosecutorial argument this is like he was starting out as an investigator and these people a lot of people became subjects throughout the course of all of his work so just a label him as a prosecutor is starting off on like a very biased and Shirley ultimately he becomes representative of a prosecutorial body Right Council gives him the full power of a U._S.. Attorney which is a prosecute exactly but that's not his but that's not his initial point special counsel actually a better way to describe him Komo currently they're called special counsel before they were called special prosecutors. They've been called special investigators but they all sort of fall under whatever the rules are for that moment. I think special counsel is what you call him right group of protein politics out of prosecutor just calling him a prosecutor literally like hey wait a second. Why are they bringing someone in? It's like they predetermined he was going to be you know prosecuted and that's not how it was at all. It's like the was just being investigated gated very quickly turned into a prosecution situation now. This is Muller investigation. It's not the Muller Prosecution now. There was the Manafort prosecution that came out of the Miller investigation and prosecution that came out of the Mueller investigation you investigate investigate and then you hand off to U._S.. Attorneys prosecute but he had all of his guys underneath him with full power of U._S.. Attorney to prosecute on his behalf so he didn't have to give it to U._S.. Attorney's offices to do the prosecuting yeah when it became necessary yeah as <music> as as <hes> grand returned indictments yeah that's when the prosecutors takeover yes and it's no longer molars right and like if someone comes in robs you or something it's like you're GonNa you're GonNa get a prosecutor on your side to try to punish them to the full extent of the law right off the bat but here was like we're going to investigate to see if you did rob this person yeah and the detective is not the prosecutor yeah you know what even if they have the power to effectively turned into one and there were so many memes and gifts that were like having muller and his F._B._i.. Jacket arresting trump and I guess that probably really pissed me off. I liked it. I liked him too but he's late. That's not my job. He also chose to not prosecute. That's another big difference. If you're a prosecutor in general you know <hes> more normal sense. You're one hundred percent. It'd be prosecuting every single subject that comes across your way whereas molar has a whole section in both of these volumes where he decides where he did and did not decide to effectively go through with prosecution yeah he he <hes> He investigates Grand Jury Decides to bring charges and his prosecutors prosecute now. Everybody's got a job <hes> so then then here's why I didn't think that redaction was Cohen. We have a whole thing about Michael Cohen. This is about trump's obstructive conduct conduct involving Cohen Trump's conduct changed from praise for him when he lied about trump trump tower Moscow to castigation <hes> like the I like to use that word when he became a cooperating witness now as we know in two thousand Seventeen Cohen provided false testimony Mooney to Congress about when the trump tower Moscow negotiations ended <hes> we also know that when prepping his statement for Congress about trump tower Moscow Cohen was advised by trump jared IVANKA's lawyers to stay on message with trump's false timeline for also to not mentioned Ivanka which isn't in here and after the F._B._i.. Raided Cohen's home and office in April two thousand eighteen trump publicly said Cohen would never flip <hes> he was loyal and even called him directly to say stay strong <hes> Cohen also discussed pardons with trump's lawyers <hes> and believed if he lied for trump he would be taken care of quote unquote <hes> but after Cohen flipped trump called him a rat and suggested that his family members have committed crimes something else left out of this report is Matt Gaetz tweeted <hes> about this you remember number when he tweeted that <hes> thing at Coen's father and yeah and Coen's mistresses Cohen father-in-law was mobbed up <hes> and finding out about his daughter you know Cohen's wife and Cohen having girl fairs and stuff who I bet your father in law the mobbed up dangerous dangerous violent guy would love to hear about that. You're GonNa have some discussions that was weird. <hes> and that's not in this report but I don't think he was investigating Matt Gaetz but Matt Gaetz is currently under investigation <hes> under the Florida by the Florida Bar Association and the House Ethics Committee. That started had a couple of weeks ago. Oh yeah I feel like that stuff came out right when the report was probably kind of wrapping up in their office yeah yeah yeah. I don't think it would have necessarily been in here but even if it could have been in here. The timing was it was passed passed do so that's the list of cafe of the cafe obstructions <hes> we determined in an earlier episode. The collective noun for obstruction of justice is a cafe so we're going to continue to use it <hes> this is a pretty comprehensive list <hes> but we also kept a list of all of <hes> the obstruction of justice and all these are on it but we had a few more that weren't in that weren't putting that weren't included in the report. I don't know why <hes> maybe he couldn't find all three year produce enough evidence but they're not mentioned in here and also this report is a summary so they might be in the underlying documents that the ones that Jerry Nadler and Adam Schiff for trying to get right now some instructions not included in Muller's report are when trump went after the Komi five right. That's the top F._B._I.. Guys that Komi shared his contemporaneous notes with about trump's loyalty ask and request to let Flynn Flint Flint thing go and they include <hes> bent a rookie or Rebecca McCabe Baker and Gaddis and I know that six we added the six beetle Bentayga after he was removed from his job <hes> there was also the time trump pressured Burr senator Senator Burr and asked other senators to pressure Senator Burr. Who is the chair of the House? No the Senate Intel Committee Subpoenaed D._J.. Yup To stop the Senate until committee investigation he yes he is the one who subpoenaed donald trump junior so he pressured burr trump also told priebus he spoke to Comi about exonerating him trump also pressured thom Tillis to drop his legislation that would have protected the special counsel <hes> then there was the time trump sessions to release one negative news story per day about out Komi then there was a time he fired Sally Yates as the acting attorney general after she came over hair on fire warning that Flynn was compromised by the Russians then there was the time trump asked McCabe for loyalty and asked you whose wife voted for and called his wife a loser that. was when he was acting director of the F._B._I.. Then there was a time he reassigned baker the general counsel of the F._B._i.. And the time he fired McCabe the day before his retirement and ordered an investigation into him he also tried to get Christopher Rada fire McCabe also fired ricky he let pre-bus rebus go and then there was the timing ordered Nunez to target McCabe Rebecca and Baker and then there was a time he conspired with Nunez on his memo discrediting those investigating him and there was that time he forced forced Rachel brand out and then he tried to block the memo response to the Nunez's lame ass memo so those are just a few more obstructions that we were tracking that aren't in this report that should be a segment and then there was the time positions so many examples you can get really get into if you wanted to yeah yeah and anyone who's been listening to us since the beginning knows is about all these instances how we've talked about. We're compiling our list of cafe have obstructions uh-huh so who's continuing to investigate his conduct right now the time period that exceeds past the time line covered in the Miller report militia the congress highest definitely yeah because I feel like some of those things happened after again when it would seem like the report and its findings Kinda start to cut off a little bit Senate Intel Senate Judiciary House judiciary yeah that kind of stuff <hes>. I don't even know that I mean they're they're played pretty full to the these might not even be things that are being looked into. They might be in the molar investigative materials in weren't brought up in the obstruction of justice but could be added to articles of impeachment hope Nancy. If you're listening MHM <hes> so yeah I don't know honestly I don't know it should be Congress though because Muller has basically said anything that has to do with obstruction Congress your turn all right guys top of page seven Muller reminds us that he didn't make a decision about the facts but that his evidence and support several general statements about the president's conduct and back to the instances of obstruction outlined in the report muller says there are several features of trump's conduct that distinguish it from typical obstruction of justice cases and this is where muller basically counters the arguments put forth by trump's lawyers years and trump and trump allies verse thing is that some of his acts involve <hes> facially lawful acts <hes> within trump's article to authorities such as firing Komi which I was talking to you about a second ago Gia Lisa that falls under his constitutional duties and it raises constitutional questions that Taylor says he'll get into in a minute <hes> further because trump is the head of the executive branch has unique and powerful means of influencing official proceedings subordinating off or Asari influencing official proceedings subordinate officers and potential essential witnesses all of which are relevant to obstruction of justice analyses right secondly unlike cases in which the subject engages in obstruction to cover up a crime the evidence muller obtained did not establish that trump was involved in an underlying crime although obstruction statutes do not require proof of such a crime the absence of that evidence makes the analysis of trump's intent and requires other possible motives for his conduct it as our it affects the analysis of trump's intent third many of trump's acts directed at witnesses including discouraging cooperating operating with law enforcement and dangling pardons took place in public view and that is unusual but no principle of law excludes public acts from obstruction <hes> if the likely effect of public access to influence witnesses or suborn perjury the harm to the justice justice system systems integrity is still the same so he's in normally smart people. Cover the shit up but you did it right out in front of me. You walked out with your pants down and I just want to let you know it's still illegal. Muller goes on to say that although the acsi investigated involves secret stuff stuff the overall pattern of trump's conduct toward the investigation can shed light on the nature of his intent specifically the Actions Muller investigated can be divided into two phases and this is what I was talking about earlier <hes> they reflect and it it kind of reflects a possible shift in the president's motives between these two phases of obstruction the first face covers everything up to the firing of Komi and the second phase after the with the appointment of Muller because at that point trump knew he was under investigation so his motive changes okay judgments about trump's motives during each phase would be informed by the totality of the evidence so the way he acted <hes> before Komi was fired is informed by his actions after Muller was appointed totally and vice versa for the section of statutory and constitutional defenses on the bottom of page seven muller tells us to trump's lawyers said trump couldn't obstruct justice because he's the head he's been law and because of his constitutional powers outlined in article two and recently trump said on T._v.. <hes> article to eat at a rally article too. Lets me do anything I want and that frightening. This section is where Miller says Nah Nah Bro <hes> you can't commit crime <hes> no one's above the law. That's the thing and none of trump's legal defenses provide a basis for declining for him declined to decline to investigate so he's like none of your arguments. We'll stop me from doing this more specifically. He then sites sections fifteen three fifteen o five and certain sections of fifteen twelve of of what text is <hes>. This is <hes> S._e.. This is a legal federal law. Okay federal law. It's just like a general document basically for the President <hes> like one thousand one is lying no these as a federal criminal laws for fifteen. Oh three and all this stuff address is the president specifically or obstruction of justice specifically got it thinking specifically fifteen twelve shows no reason to narrow the provision to cover only conduct that it impairs the integrity of available evidence as trump's lawyers have claimed that's what that one covers and obstruction of justice and fifteen or three and fifteen o five offer protection against obstructive acts directed at a pending grand jury which Miller had right and then and 'cause the fifteen hundred zero five or obstructing the investigation fifteen twelve is obstructing <hes> you know trying to cover up suborn perjury fucking with the integrity of evidence and then fifteen twelve b <hes> protects prosecution of conduct intended to prevent or hinder the communication to law enforcement of information related to a federal crime so that's when you try to also witness tamper <hes> liked by telling <hes> Flynn. You're know you're a good guy and on you're gonNA pardon. I'm GonNa Pardon you that could inhibit hibbitt or hinder the communication to law enforcement of information totally muller then talks about trump's legal defense regarding the constitution molar says it since the Department of Justice in the courts have not definitively resolve the issues regarding trump being the head of the executive branch he he examines the issues instead through the framework established by SCOTUS <HES> and they're precedent governing the separation of powers so both the Department of Justice and Trump's lawyers have recognized that the president is subject to statutes that prohibit obstruction by bribing a witness or suborning perjury because that conduct does not implicate his constitutional authority and that's what I was talking about earlier about creating that false document or bribing witnesses even trump's attorneys agree. That's got nothing to do with constitutional authority but with respect to whether trump can obstruct justice by exercising exercising powers granted to him by the Constitution in Article Two Muller concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a president's corrupt use of his authority Congress he says Congress here and that's really important because he's saying yes you can fire Komi granted you the powers under article two but if you do it corruptly Congress has the authority to prohibit it yeah I mean it's pretty plain and simple why would it why would the representative of a body. That's supposed to be entirely separate from the executive branch essentially be able to make those judgements that should be Congress just very fundamentally. I it sure seems like that should be Congress in the first place right and basically what he's saying here is because of the separation of powers doctrine which and from Skoda's precedent about the separation of powers Congress has that authority wordy to prohibit you from doing that Shit Shit even though article two allows you to do it <hes> that doesn't fall under the purview of bribing witnesses or dangling pardons or the other shit that you did. That's just plain old obstruction of justice <hes> in section fifteen twelve but this you can't do this either and the reason is because of the separation of powers doctrine not because of normal obstruction of justice law more goes on to say that the Constitution does not immunize the president from obstructing justice the separation of powers doctrine authorizes Congress to protect official proceedings including including those of the courts and grand juries lack myself Miller from corrupt obstructive acts regardless of the source molar also concluded that any inroad on presidential authority or any like detriment to presidential authority that would occur from prohibiting corrupt acts does not undermine the president's ability to fulfil his duties. <hes> the term corruptly is a high standard and it requires concrete evidence that a person acted with intent to obtain an improper advantage a preclusion of corrupt official action does not interfere with the president's rights to exercises sizes article two powers either <hes> Muller then concludes it Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the president's corrupt exercise of his powers in accordance with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no one is above the law not even the president this is his tossed the mic to to the congressman absolutely one of them. There's others <hes> in conclusion since Muller did not make traditional prosecutes tour prosecutorial judgments he also did not draw any ultimate conclusions about the president's conduct quote wrote the evidence we obtained about the president's actions intent presents difficult issues that we would need that need to be resolved if we were making traditional prosecutorial judgement but we're not at the same time if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice we would so state based on the facts and applicable legal standards we weren't able to reach that judgment accordingly while the report does not concluded the President committed a crime it also does not exonerate him doing doing. That's a repeat from that earlier conclusion definitely all right now here this we'll go through this part really quick. This is the legal framework stuff <hes> and it starts on page nine part. A. Is the framework of obstruction. <hes> this is a summary of the law interpreting the elements of obstruction statutes. It does not address the unique constitutional issues that arise in inquiry into acts by the president. This is just the obstruction of justice statutes. Those issues are discussed later in the report and we briefly just covered them a little bit in the constitutional defenses section but he he goes off on much in more detail later but here muller tells us about the three elements relevant to obstruction laws. I there must be an obstructive act such as asking Corey Lewandowski to tell sessions to limit the investigation into a you know to future elections only second element is a nexus to to a pending or contemplated official preceding <hes> so even the thought of an official proceeding counts and next this means a connection to so this means the act the obstructive act has to be connected to an official proceeding like a grand jury proceeding or the law and the molar probe is a grand jury proceeding so in the Lewandowski example trump wanted to limit the Mueller investigation which is an official proceeding so that links his obstructive act to official proceeding. It seems like the first requirement would sort of warrant the second right it it does. I don't think I don't know how you could obstruct justice without an official proceeding yeah otherwise what are you tripping about. You don't have anything right now. If you're not obstructing official proceeding what what are you just stand in in somebody's way yeah I guess I guess maybe that's if someone tried to point to some other conduct that defendant had or something and it's like well. Even that's bad. That's not really related to what's going on here in the courts possibly yeah yeah it does. I don't I don't they seem inextricably. extricably linked to the final element is the act has to have been done correctly and thus provides the intent for obstruction of justice it means you did it knowingly and dishonestly or with improper motive and this requires proof that the individual was conscious of wrongdoing <hes> like a weekend at Bernie's situation yeah. We knew he was dead. Never seen it. Don't I only know this scene where they address them <hes> and they put the glasses. That's not a scene. That's the whole movie Oh okay spoiler alert this movie a reference to the AH yeah morbidly dress them up in a masquerades as a comedy yeah yeah the children. I think that there might be children in the movie <hes> do this in order to be able to continue to have a party at a mansion and his rich daughter I. A._C.. Dr Yeah sounds really creepy. I law probably doesn't hold up so muller also covers witness tampering in this section. That's a crime when you knowingly use is intimidation or corruptly persuaded another person or engage in misleading conduct toward another person with intent to influence delay or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding or to hinder delay or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer and that's that part that I was talking about with Flynn when the charge is acting with intent to hinder delay or prevent communication or information for law enforcement that second part the next to a preceding does not apply because the obstructive act is aimed at the communication of information not impeding competing unofficial preceding so this is where you call up Flynn you say don't don't flip you know and don't tell Muller right babysitters dead don't shrimp don't flip and then and then he doesn't Flynn there is not obstructing instructing or obstructing an official proceeding. He's obstructing Flynn who is trying to not communicate to the law so he says that's witnessed hampering in witness tampering when when it's preventing someone from communicating with law enforcement you don't need the nexus I two preceding that counts because he has indirect nexus yeah indirect taxes nexus by proxy <hes> noise noise taxes raise to have a near the lexicon yeah and other ex-oil so hey lexicon next rox XS never gotten so much use motor than stuff is extremely damn more than talks talks about attempts and endeavors and these are the laws covering the concept that you don't have to complete the act I think to be guilty of it simply attempting or endeavoring to commit a substance a substantive <hes> offense counts and he cites relevant case law here and then onto page twelve <hes> and the investigative evidentiary considerations Muller says after he was appointed he obtained evidence that about the following events related to potential obstruction of justice by trump the loyalty ask <hes> from Komi after the president found out flynn lied to the F._B._i.. Trump asking Komi to let the flint thing go trump asking Komi to publicly exonerate him trump pressuring the D._N._A.. N._S._A. N._C._A._A.. Directors trump's TV interview with Holt where he said rusher was on his mind and trump dictating junior statement about the two thousand sixteen trump tower meeting. You know what trump needs one of those little flip books where you can grant someone like a free massages like you know like shops yeah and he's like here. Here's one I like you know blank state man letting someone you know let something go like. I don't know it seems like a good merge idea I can't y you I see yeah yeah. You rent like Obstruct Justice Nine Times the tenth once room. Oh see that could work too yeah in the same way just like a you know really one of those weird monopoly little blank checks. Just do whatever you like coupons loyalty. Ask Free Loyalty A._T._S. absolutely yeah but not president. Just you know as trump we could. We could stay especially surrounding Flynn because that's when he well that's perfect yeah yeah exchange you can exchange coupons for Cindy Yang coupon. Oh No ooh no thank you well. I'm all for Nice. That was all consensual right down to that. We don't know yet but all right. We'll take that joke with a grain is hopefully wise only consensual sex work. I appreciate the top of page thirteen tells us he sought an interview with the president after more than a year the president declined to be interviewed because he's so open and transparent more than anyone else this is that there's been a redacted sentence or two for grand injury considerations and wondering who testified to the grand jury about trump not agreeing to an interview. Maybe it was banning. I don't know I don't know who's under there but <hes> as we know the president agreed to written questions but not about obstruction and not about events during the transition he really wanted to cover those up. He wouldn't let anybody testify a fight about that either and he got really mad when when Muller was able to get all the transition emails memory and here's where Miller says that even though he had the authority to subpoena the president he ultimately decided not to more says trump would have fought it could've taken far too long considering he had enough evidence wants to understand relevant events and to make certain assessments like he's guilty without trump's testimony and that right there indicates he had enough evidence to charge them with crimes but didn't because of the memo otherwise. What would that even mean you? Don't you have enough evidence to do what what to write a report <hes> so he says he goes into more detail about this decision in Appendix C at the end of the report but that was very telling to me when he was like well it would take too long and I had enough evidence on trump for what what enough enough evidence to what yeah which crime few just spitballing what would you need evidence for what one gather evidence for like to solve the puzzle for our for Funsies High Crimes Muller then talks talks about establishing Mens Raya in obstruction cases and that the knowledge can be proved by circumstantial evidence and he cites relevant case law. What does that mean again circumstantial evidence <hes>? I'll tell you hear it means that you don't have to have like an email from the president saying helped me obstruct justice this <hes> you can take his behavior pattern of behavior is consciousness of guilt circumstantial evidence. Smoking Gun is actually literally circumstantial evidence but circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to establish guilt in the volume one investigation hyphen dots for obstruction. I know I'm just thinking so then did circumstantial evidence not apply know what he was investigating incorrect because members Raya is what they didn't have <hes> and circumstantial evidence doesn't cover that I <hes> when you're when you're doing that shit and that's why they were missing this key pieces of evidence in volume one <hes> he also wants to make sure we know that the determinations of intent are frequently reached without an interview hinting here that the applicable circumstantial evidence he obtained would be enough to charge trump without interviewing him and he goes on to cite several obstruction <hes> he goes on to cite obstruction case law that supports that assertion so he's like. I didn't need to interview him because I had enough evidence to have a party <hes> he then says that credibility judgments can be made based on facts and circumstantial evidence and that standard grand jury instructions include factors for assessing credibility which include whether a witness has a reason to lie whether the witness has a good memory whether the witness has an opportunity to observe observe the events whether the witnesses testimony was corroborated by others and whether anything the witness said or wrote contradicts their own previous should they said or wrote so sad he could get a testimony whether it's it's it's frustrating but he saying here that he literally hasn't so much evidence that he could be convicted of crimes that he did not need to interview him for for hopefully because we kept saying that over and over again with like he's got to get to the intent and you can only do that through an interview nope. He's got plenty of evidence without it to have a party but it doesn't mean anything if Congress doesn't take it correct unless he can use it after he leaves office and somebody can run with all this across so we wouldn't even need to flip the Senate as long as trump loses in twenty twenty to prosecute them okay great great yeah because at that Point Congress has Jack Shit to do with his promises we could get a a hope and change guy in there who wants to look forward only and not backwards and not prosecute anybody for war crimes and I'm not really talking about anyone. Specific wouldn't like a they wouldn't like us. It wouldn't be Congress so that would be charging him. After he's out of office it would be like as yeah we'll be waiting. ooh probably have a countdown calendar but they might not they might say we're GONNA look forward. We're going to unite the country yeah because charging would only divide the country knowing. It's a frigging state did that's. There's already fifty divisions. Just go for shoes. You're talking about state attorney yeah. I'm talking about the Department Justice S._D._N.. Y Okay but Tisch will still be likely clear around so there's the well sorry I guess when I feel like there's a public perception that it's very much respective to the state specifically and it's not they don't think of it federally right. I don't think people in general think of S. T. N. Y.. Even though technically it has it's like federal jurisdiction but it's mostly about yeah it's not it's not Congress doing it. Draw thick line between S._D._N.. Y and the Southern District of Georgia and the Southern District California between that and the New York Attorney General and the California Attorney General because state crimes are pardonable where federal crimes are not no matter what state <hes> district they're tried or or in whether it's New Yorker Georgia or whatever it's part of the Department of Justice if it's part of the U._S. Attorney's offices as part of the Department Emina justice which Bill Bar looks out now and state agee's can't bring federal crimes also tissues under the she state. That's general it okay but you can't bring a federal crime. Yes cool. She can't charge anyone with federal broke right but she can do much state charges which can be pardoned so that's great if they if they broke state law but okay he definitely did not related to this stuff necessarily because these obstruction of justice charges are all federal crimes at the other so it it would have to be an S._U._N._y.. S._U._N._Y.. Yeah like the yeah or D._C.. Or something yes what about Cohen that means that the president would have to instruct and be okay with his <hes> the new president <hes>. Let's say Elizabeth Warren Appoints Kamala Harris as the attorney general zero. They'd all have to be cool with prosecuting <hes> trump. I'd like to believe that sounds good another reason I want her to be the attorney general. I would love that yeah okay so otherwise. Let's say Republicans get nominated in Twenty Twenty then S._D._N.. N. Y. conceivably is not going to do it but New York A._G.. Or like a stay A._G.. Want that wants to go after him. They can't bring him on federal crimes but they could bring him on state crimes. After he's out of the Presidency Yeah I could actually do it name up on state crimes now because they don't the office of Legal Counsel memo over their head of the Department of Justice but no one's ever brought charges against state charges against the president unless it's a civil suit which she's done several of but she's never filed criminal charges now. I don't think anyone's filed. I don't WanNa say ever but it's it's unusual to file state criminal charges against a sitting president or vice president but there's nothing stopping her. I don't think there was really anything stopping <hes> the southern district of New York either but they do but it is bar and he has that office legal counsel memo saying you can't indicted sitting the president so but that doesn't apply to stay encouragement from the people. She should have a podcast for her. It seems pretty down though she does he already investigating the shit out of him and I wouldn't be surprised if she drives him chart the N._R._A.. See how that it goes through the courts that'd be interesting. <hes> and finally guys muller defends the use of contemporaneous written notes trump says no don't take notes no but legally Federa contemporaneous written notes are really really strong evidence or witnesses is <hes> recitation of his account before he had any motive to lie and witnesses false description of an encounter implying consciousness of wrongdoing and he cites case law supporting all three of those components as evidence so guys that is it that is part ten ten Woo Sarah I part of volume two <HES> and we will be back next week <hes> getting into the factual breakdown of everything that that went down <hes> and now that we've had Miller's testimony we can integrate that into it too so join us for that. I think it'll be fun Thursday nights whenever we get done editing it. We don't have a set time. We'll get it to you shortly so any final thoughts. No just have a great weekend guys <hes> word. 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Nothing new to report: Robert Mueller testifies

The Economist: The Intelligence

22:03 min | 1 year ago

Nothing new to report: Robert Mueller testifies

"<music> hello and welcome to the intelligence on economist radio. I'm your host polar. Every weekday we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world <music> at its core economics takes the view that collective behavior arises out of simple self interested decisions of individuals but economists are returning to an old idea that cultural forces play a big role to and you can do it quickly. You can do it blindfolded. You can do it with your feet. There was a time that the Rubik's cube was just a toy but it's long since become an object of competition and the competitors editors are really fast I up though after months of anticipation special counsel Robert Mueller reluctantly appeared before Congress yesterday for hours of televised testimony penalty of perjury testimony you're about to give correct the best of your knowledge information belief so help you got but the record show the witness sense of the affirmative thank you and please be seated he testified in back to back hearings for the House Judiciary Committee and the House Intelligence Committee with the President's still refuse to sit interview by your your team Pru in sometimes halting performance. Mr Mueller reiterated points from his Report on whether President Donald Trump's election campaign conspired with Russia whether Mr Trump impeded the ensuing investigation allegation lost the noise again was a warning that Russian operatives continue to meddle in America's electoral system. Mr Mueller had promised that his testimony would contain nothing beyond his report and on that he delivered his appearance doesn't seem to have had the impact that many Democrats were hoping for it may be the last that the public here's from Mr Muller even if his investigation and his report continue to drive debate Robert Mueller's investigation ran for two years during that whole time he said nothing publicly John Pro is our United States editor. There was a lot of competition journalists to find out what was really going on with the murder investigation and it wasn't leaky then when he presented his report finally he gave some short remarks and that was it and since then Democratic congressman in particular really wanted to get him to testify so that they could get him on the record they could get clips of him talking about President Trump and so this is really equally anticipated in the end they had to six hours even though he said he was reluctant to testify and as a prosecutor who still had some life cases it was in some senses inappropriate to do so so this was very eagerly anticipated testimony on the hill. Did he taimour. What what? What did they extract from him? He didn't say a whole lot more. Most disasters was short clip it. I refer you to this page in the report yes no. He didn't go beyond what was written in the reports and again he said Rice at the beginning of his testimony that he wouldn't do so I I would <hes> direct you to report dot what we have in the report with regard to that particular. We don't have the redacted version that's yet nevertheless there was a certain power to hearing him say some of the things that appear the report I pick out two things in particular the I would be on obstruction of justice has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him but that is not what reports said is it correct. It is not what the report said so one of the headlines President not cleared on obstruction of justice. There was a sudden powered seeing row but Melissa the other thing was him saying that agreeing with the Democratic congressman the president could potentially be charged once he leaves office because that opinion of the of legal counsel would no longer apply. Could you charge the president with a Trimbe after he left office. Yes you believe that he committed you could charge the president United States with obstruction structure justice after he left office yes ethically under the ethical standards. I'm not certain looked at the standards but but that's not a whole lot of payoff from six hours of testimony and what did Mr Moore say about the Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election on election interference by the Russian government he repeated much of the evidence which is in the report is very damning on the extent of the activities. He also said that he thought that election interference by rush was ongoing no repercussions whatsoever to Russia if they did this again and as you stated earlier as we sit here they're doing it now. Is that correct. You're absolutely right. Do you have any violent. He said that he hoped hoped this wasn't the new normal in American politics but it very well may be so it was democratic congressman who who wants to get Mr Miller on the on the national stage in the first place well. How do you think they did in terms of making the most of their opportunity identing they what they wanted? Wanted out of this. If what they wanted was to get lots of footage of Robert Mueller criticizing Donald Trump has campaign by reading up it's his report. They didn't get that what they did get is what another thing that congressman often want from these these kinds of hearings which is clips of themselves talking for many of them. The point was their opportunity to speak rather than what they could get out of Robert Mueller and you could see this by even while Muller was testifying you had clips of the Democratic and Republican congressman grilling him popping up cut by their office and then popping up on Youtube and on twitter so the opportunity for the Congress when to speak was as important or Bob's even more important than the opportunity for Robert mullet speak and and that's kind of grandstanding was going on both sides of the I'll certainly was as you'd expect Republicans were keen to repeat one of the conclusions of the report which was that the special counsel didn't find evidence for conspiracy between the trump campaign and the Russian Russian government on the other hand they will also very keen to assail Muller's impartiality the credibility of some of his team. You hired a bunch of people that did not like the president. Peter Struck hated trump okay. You didn't know that before he was made part of your team. Is that what you're saying not know that all right a low of Republicans on the committee were very cross that he'd floated this idea that he couldn't exonerate the president and they said well. This is not how prosecutors met behave prosecutors. Don't stand up and say I can't exonerate this person they stand up and say I can charge this person or I can't charge this person and so you know you'll legal theory of this. This case is questionable so the quite a lot of that was even some slightly crazy conspiracy theory stuff so yes there was a good deal of grandstanding Republicans as well and you got the feeling that plenty of them probably knew the president trump would have been watching some of this on T._v.. Anxious to impressive and did they succeed was was was impressed. Well it seems so he was tweeting writing about it on and he had plenty of towards Robert Muller had no material he had nothing to work with so obviously he did very early today. I don't think there's anybody even among the fakers. I don't think there's anybody that would say he did well. I I looked at your testimony means for president trump for president trump the most important thing here it was whether the testimony would make it more likely that House Democrats would try to impeach him. I think it's less likely than it was before Robert Muller testified. I didn't think it was very likely in the first place in for a number of reasons but most of them just politically clearly the democratic leadership in the house doesn't want to impeach they think that if you impeach in the House and then the president is acquitted in the Senate that backfires politically you know that may you may not be correct but it certainly view and I think that's those Democrats who in favor of impeachment those house Democrats in favor of impeachment who are hoping perhaps that robot mullah might give them some ammunition will have been disappointed by the hearing so take coif president trump impeachment less likely and what about four what the <hes> the public will make try to this. This has been this trailed as a huge event. <hes> what happens now. Does this draw a line under it. Is this the end of of the the broader muller question. This has always been a story which has fascinated people who follow to politics very closely more than it's been a story for the public large. If you go round talking to voters away from the big cities it's hard to find signed much mention of the Muller people focused on different things and so the Democrats may be rather disappointed in the short time by Robert molest testimony. Actually you know politically internal GONNA political strategy. It might not be a bad thing for them to move on from this so the the seems to be the last that will hear from from Robert Mueller and you've been following this for for literal years in <hes> forensic detail. What's what's your take away from? All this might take away from this release something about how the news is made. I I mean had the Miller <unk> landed without the trails without the investigative reporting without everything we knew already about what happened in the two thousand sixteen campaign had it just landed on people's desks without any knowledge I think it would have had an extraordinary impact pat in American politics. I think it's quite likely you would have had impeachment proceedings already but the way that on knowledge of what happened in two thousand sixteen both in the Russian election interference and in terms of what the trump campaign got up to the way gradually built men the win report arrived a lot of people struck by shoulders and said Oh well does not much new to see here that of course overlooks the fact that what's in the report is very extraordinary and I think people read it in ten twenty. He thought he has time and really but with disbelief but what happened in Twenty Sixteen John. Thank you very much rejoin us. Thanks Jason a lot of economists. The dismal science is just that a science they reckon that if all people just behaved according to good economic principles acting rationally and in their own self interest economic theory we could plot the course of the universe but more and more those principles are looking inadequate so economists are turning back to ideas. They've previously dismissed albeit with some improvements if you go back to the twentieth century and you you look at. How social scientists how they try to explain differences in the face of different countries or different parts of the world why Europe is rich or why Asia's poor there was a fair amount of reliance on what you might call cultural explanations Ryan even rights free exchange change our call him on economic theory and it's based in Washington the sort that you know there's something about the way Europeans are that contributed to the industrial revolution there and there's something about the way that people in Africa Latin America are that meant that they were still poor ultimately these sorts of cultural explanations kind of fell out of fashion? There was a lot of racism just lurking beneath the surface that these sorts of cultural stories were used to justify for. I think a lot of the series economists they just didn't find find the stories very satisfying that it was not much of an explanation to say that that Europe was rich because of how Europeans were that didn't really answer any questions and so economists kind of with their own way they said we're going to focus on trying to explain everything in terms of individuals making decisions on the basis of rational calculations self interest and see if we can sort the world out in that way and that's kind of where the profession has really been for most of the last forty years but there are signs that that's beginning to change in net that economists are starting to take a stories about how culture affects the economy more seriously. What do you mean by that? How how can culture be figured in well? Let me give you one example so there is an economic historian call Jomo clear his focus because is on the roots of industrialization and what sort of things contributed to the beginning of of modern economic growth. He argues that kind of the critical change that occurred that allowed Europe to start industrial revolution was a cultural the one that you had starting in the sixteenth century this community of of scholars across Europe basically they started to invent science. They said you know actually we can understand nature and the best way to understand it is to try to have this open open disinterested data based discussion and then if we learn things about nature and how it works we can start using that knowledge to make our lives better and Moke. You're basically says once you had this idea in place once it was sufficiently well established. Some sort of industrial revolution was basically inevitable okay but in our current analysis of culture how how things work when <hes> issues of race racism come up well so I think one of the things that's better about the news sorts of ways of using culture to explain things. It is the sense that culture something that evolves you know one of the reasons it's interesting to study is that it changes over time to look at China and why it didn't industrialize I you could say well. It's not something inherent as something deep in Chinese unease culture that prevented that you know rather there was a historical outcome there that was different. You had schools philosophy in China that kind of we're rationalist but that for various reasons these other ideas kind of became more popular these sort of confusion ideas that venerated ancient wisdom in tradition because history played out in that particular way the sorts of ideas that might have led to an industrial revolution never really materialized and so it's not it's not an appeals to raise. It's not an appeal to something deep about the way a community is it's that there were these different cultural views that kind of jostle for supremacy and in particular one one out but what you're describing incorporating is extremely qualitative stuff woolley stuff. How does that fit into the the existing body of economics that is so analytical so mathematical? I mean I think to realize as part of this is a a response to the fact that a lot of economic answer is at the moment are very satisfying and you know we're economists are recognizing rising that that the way things now is not sufficient to understand the way the world works and so the reason to introduce culture is because it helps you understand it explain the world better I think he economists had the ambition in the twentieth century to try to be as something like physicists or something like engineers right if you have a sort of clear sense of how objects or particles interact with each other and maybe you can build up word from that and understand how whole systems work. I think what we have come to realize that the World Ah is much much more complicated than that and that you end up abstracting away from stuff that really really matters and among those things is culture you know if you look at changes in the labor market fortunes of particular groups like women or racial title minorities. If you try to explain that solely by saying you know these people were just all out there individually making decisions based on their own rational self interest. It just doesn't really make a lot of sense you know you have to talk about the way that culture change to allow women to allow people of Color to participate fully in the labor market and if you don't talk about that it just doesn't make any sense and I think that's sort of what we're getting out here is that we need to introduce cultural explanations because the stories are models are telling us in economics just aren't working very well. They're not very satisfying. So where does this leave the field of economics though the these are some big changes. You're talking about how how does economics half to transform to to really bring culture in slowly but surely economics is going to recognize. Is that some things at least now have to be done qualitatively. We have to build toward a better understanding of how this stuff works before we can start trying to capture at equations and maybe down the road our understanding of culture how is transmitted from individual to individual how. How it affects behavior maybe becomes so sophisticated and maybe our ability to gather migrated from every aspect of our lives is so enhanced that we are able to kind of build models that say here's how culture works and here's how we can engineer? It was kind of scary to think about that is a possibility but I think right now we're we're just at the initial stages of saying culture matters. It's something we have to take seriously if we want to explain the world and these these old attitudes have to be kind of adjusted the Ryan thank you very much for your time. Jason Rubik's Cube Championship in one thousand nine hundred one the puzzles Creator Erno Rubik at a confession between two minutes so you don't have to some of these boys here sure that contest was was one with a time of twenty five seconds these days Mr Rubin would be even further behind the current wild record. was that in November last year when you shouldn't do you Chinese guy sold it and three point four oh seven seconds Lee is a researcher at the economist that was the first time it had been sold under four seconds and actually smashed the previous record by zero point seven five seconds earlier this month there was the Wild Keep Association while championship in Melbourne Assadi. No one beat this record so it's still stands but an eleven year old boy from the Philippines came second with an average time if six point seven eight seconds which is still pretty quick and he was the youngest person to reach the podium. That's like blindingly fast. That's insane. Still how did we get to this. As a sort of competitive sport save the Rubik's Cube. I was patented in nine hundred seventy four by un-arabic Hungarian scientists and it became kind of global craze as but not really about speed it was more about the mathematical logistics of solving it and it's kind of popularity crotchety faded as new crazies came along however it was saved by the Internet there tutorials online forums youtube oversee came along which showed you pretty step-by-step praises of how to do this and then world championship was reintroduced in two thousand three often nineteen years of opposites so how's that done. How do you shave time off? What what's the way to get it faster? There are a lot of different solving techniques back in the L._B._J.'s speed keeping the corners method was the most popular on which is quite self explanatory so you solve the corners fast overtime. There are different techniques that people use the petry's technique and as C._F._O.. P which was eased to smash the four second record tackled dossier there are actually forty three billion possible configurations but sold the never needs more than twenty moves on average about eighteen should be necessary if you know doing there are lots of different tactics he can use so the well keep association Asian allows competitors lubricate and sand the keeps mechanisms but you've got to be careful because any damage or markings covers all in disqualification Una keeps all quiet place inspected before any contest in recent years magnetic keeps have also helped to shave off awesome seconds as well which some people argue the reason why over the last year is the times have come down even father and I presume that to become a competitive speed Cuba. You have to dedicate a feral bit of your life to it. Definitely say you have to practice in practice not a lot of it relies on muscle memory as learning these various techniques mentioned earlier. There's also quite a degree of lock so each key before any contest is scrambled by sort of neutral observer and a lot of people point to that sub for time and say the she really lucky I scramble which made it much easier for him to get to the end result but it's obviously it was a lot of passion as well hundreds and hundreds of people turn up at these contests and there was a chance for global fame and glory. We do a household name apparently in this world also it is quite a lot of fun last year thirteen your boyfriend China when viral author smashing some pretty wacky world records he juggled three weeks keeps unsolved them while juggling in about five minutes and he sold three Rubik's cubes tea with his hands and feet simultaneously in one minute thirty six seconds which is pretty impressive with his fate yes with his feet this is this is the frontier of speed humanity is the this is brave of new world staff. Yeah it's exciting and even more excitedly. It's not just humans anymore. Gang involved in the fun in two thousand sixteen German built robot solve the puzzle in theory point six three seven seconds and in two thousand eighteen a rebel bill by T. M._I._t.. M._I._T.. Engineering students executed them even fifteen milliseconds and sold a whole cube in just three point three eight seconds which is pretty incredible. So how are you with a master solver speed huber unfortunately not quite in League of you Shane deal yet yet but at the moment I can solve one side. Take you probably timid well. Thanks for spending this time with us then lizzy you could have solved two sides by now. Thanks very much Jason. That's all for this episode of the Intelligence. If you like us give a rating on Apple podcasts and you can subscribe to the economist at economist.

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Blogcast: What Can I Do? Living the Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy During COVID-19

Catholic Apostolate Center Podcast

05:20 min | 5 months ago

Blogcast: What Can I Do? Living the Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy During COVID-19

"What can I do? Perhaps, we've asked this question again, and again as we stay home during the covid nineteen pandemic. To stay home often implies inaction this engagement. Maybe. Even fear. However staying home during this time is one of the most charitable actions we can make. To stay home is not to surrender or to turn inward but to care so much for the greater good that we are willing to make sacrifices to our daily life in order to protect our neighbor. This calls for a radical mentality shift as human beings. We have a tendency towards action. We WanNa do something with the hands given us breath in our lungs we want to act and in times of crisis. WanNa help. So. During a time when one of the greatest acts of charity, we can physically do a stay at home. We still find ourselves asking. What can I do? The good news is we can still do a lot. With a corporal and spiritual acts of mercy as a guide. I've compiled list of ideas for alleviating the suffering of today and spreading the Gospel. Number. One feed the hungry. We can still feed the hungry whether they be first responders, people whose jobs are defined as essential. Isolated neighbors or even friends with a newborn. Send them a meal or cook them one I make contactless delivery. Give someone a gift certificate to a local restaurant. Feeding. The hungry can also include donating food pantries, becoming meals on wheels volunteer or preparing food with love for your own family. Number, to comfort the sorrowful. Many. People are disheartened grieving and confused right now. We can comfort the Sarah Fault by checking in with friends and family. Writing Letters, making phone calls, sending gifts or making someone Mueller or treat. We can also share hope encouragement or words positively. Most importantly, we can offer prayers for those grieving and let them know we are carrying them in our hearts. Number. Three bear wrongs patiently. Many of us are facing incredibly stressful work and family life situations being stuck at home with family members or roommate's can give us plenty of opportunities to practice patients with others. How can we take a deep breath and give others the benefit of the doubt right now? Even. Staying at home may feel like a wrong we are called to bear. is their virtue we can cultivate during this time. Ask. God for the strength to take each day moment by moment with grace. Number three, instruct the ignorant. Some of US may be tackling homeschooling for the first time or teaching relatives, the INS and outs of zoom call. But instructing ignorant entails more than academics and technology. How are we showing friends family or neighbors how to turn to God in times of Distress How can we model a life of prayer faith and perseverance during times of suffering? We can instruct the ignorant by witnessing to faith perseveres and sharing the Gospel through relevant conversations on suffering in the faithfulness of God. Number four pray for the living in the dead. Prayers one of the most powerful actions we can take each day but especially throughout this time of suffering. Many people are feeling isolated, lonely and scared as a result of the pandemic. And its implications. As Catholics. We know we are one body with many parts when one part suffers the body suffers. Let us offer up prayers for those who are sick suffering without a job or unable to see friends and family. Let us also remember the dead and dying in our prayers. We can keep them in our prayer intentions. Pray The divine mercy chocolate offer a rosary or unite our actions with Salvat of Christ for the salvation of the world. There are many ways we can live the corporal and spiritual works of mercy during this outbreak of covid nineteen. What are some ways you have shared the good news and brought love and joy to others during this time.

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It's Mueller Time

Mueller, She Wrote

42:29 min | 1 year ago

It's Mueller Time

"This even hello and welcome to the daily beans for Wednesday July Twenty Third Twenty nineteen it is muller time and we are pre gaming but it's a crazy news day. We Have Epstein the ice raids grand jury materials Rudy Giuliani feel acceder a new U._k.. Prime Minister New Secretary of defense the nine eleven first responders Bill Don mcgann p._G._N.. Kion and more. I'm your host G. and with me today. Did you Lisa Johnson. Hello and Jordan Coburn. Hello it is okay Wednesday digital twenty-three brought to you by Tuesday July Twenty second twenty nine thousand nine Tuesday Newsday. It's absolutely insane. It is a fire hose of news. There's a lot yes. We're going to try to get through it. The Big Day is here. We're going to be on channel eight news in San Diego this morning at seven. I'm forty A._M.. So tune into that we have several interviews lined up as well and we'll be going over all the Muller Time News in the second half of the show it is a jam packed Newsday as I said so we might as well get into it and hit the hot notes hot notes. The First Epstein has appealed his bail decision. <hes> this guy really hates jail. I mean has one thing he and I agree on the only thing gel sucks but you know and then his name I can't mispronouncing. I've learned from a listener that it's like Frankenstein so it's Epstein frankenstein-like. That's my wife remembering it now right yeah because I would say Epstein all the time. Yeah it is but actually I think there's there's been some conflict like I pronounce it. Epstein <hes> and some people said no it's Epstein and there's actually a photo of him on teaching at that school where he shouldn't have been hired because he doesn't have a college degree by Bars Dad and it says Epstein on the chalkboard in the background and he spells it T. I. E. Probably to get people to to pronounce it correctly interesting. I pronounce that's how German would indicate pronounced because here's a little German lesson for you. If you have an e in an eye together the last vowel does the talking so the first Valdosta walking the last few does the talking so if it's he I it's pronounced I like Epstein and if it's I E it's pronounced e like Epstein. Thank you for that. Yeah Yeah that helps but you know Rosenstein has been like you can call me. Whatever I don't care what you call me most? You knew whatever you want me in your ally your challenge here don't call me deputy attorney general thanks for notice and he's just the your of the Justice Department so that people change it up all the time but we call them Epstein if that's not I don't talking care you can eat shit calling him Rosenstein for that Sterry hand going on in the background bar. Stephen is like I pronounce it raping mcface good. I like that that works so he's trying to appeal his bail. He's going to be denied beans on that. I haven't heard the decision yet. It might have come out by the time you hear this recording but he's not he's in jail. Dodge was like hell no no no no no. I love it and men for him to Complain About Hating Gel when he had all the leeway in jail to it wasn't even regular jail yeah he was work. Study sucks him to door unlocked for him installed a T._v.. In the lawyers inform how to access to that for the twelve hours he was in there the other twelve hours he was out and he had like unsupervised caused time to go hang out at mansion while he was still climbing having sex probably with minors although there's no evidence of that we know with females though based on his former lawyer but we know it's women and girls you know depending on how on their age and that brings brings me to a quick correction we won't do a full correction segment but a pedophile or something like that is is because pedophile only covers people who are sexually attracted to prepubescent teens and so he wouldn't and fall into that category or he might but if at least for as far as we know yet right for the victims though we know that's like that's a nater thing right. Oh yeah yeah yeah because he goes all the way down to there. Were some two and three year olds. She's race in those videos charging documents reality with Nater Yeah so you'll have nightmares for totally well. I think he might be brought up on additional charges soon. They're looking into member 'cause he. Did transport a fourteen year old boy for for to rape him from Europe to the United States and now they're looking into another boy. He transported in two thousand nine <hes> so I think we might see super citing superseding indictment on Nader <hes> this week. I hope so yeah sign up for the Muller. She wrote Fantasy Indictment League. If you're not listening to muller she wrote we come out Sunday nights. It's a muller focus show and we have a fancy indictment. League gets a lot longer than these so but check it out so that's the fantasy indictment. League Chris Wray testified saying Russia is definitely trying to hack twenty twenty elections in water is wet this week offer most of the world yeah. I think that's like used to them. Russia's still trying yeah and not only the Russians trying Rudy Giuliani is is on the case too and we reported this a few weeks ago on our other podcasts Mola she wrote but now <hes> they've put another story out about it. Jordan what's going on with yet rudy yes so there are two men who are trying to basically backchannel influence <hes> or we're trying to back channel influence the campaign for Don Trump as well as investigations into people like Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton and all of trump's adversaries essentially so these two operators they reported directly to Giuliani <hes> which is super sketchy not registered as foreign agents obviously obviously yes they did things like urging prosecutors to investigate Joe Biden like I said and they also wanted to push for a probe in pretty much successfully did it because bar wound up opening one into the Mueller investigation and that's so dumb because if view just register as a foreign agent it appears at least through the Mueller investigation on the mole report that as long as you register under four agent then pretty much any opposition research would be hard to put a value on and people are too stupid to know they're climbing anyway so and so what is it. Why are there avoiding Loyd Miss Paperwork? They don't want alert the Attorney General Yeah definitely but at the time check at the time the attorney general was in so much handpicked by Donald Trump that they were trying to get stuff done Ed old habits or heart yeah well. They're not only pushing for probes to be opened up in the U._S.. They're also pushing for nothing to be opened up and Ukraine <hes> and that was successful as well 'cause Kiev wound up opening up in investigation into Ukrainian officials that allegedly we plotted to rig the two thousand sixteen election in Hillary Clinton's favor and they said that they did this by leaking evidence against Paul Manafort's and their argument is that it was all a big deep state thing so by snitching on Paul. It's the twinkie. It's the <MUSIC> O._J.. Defense Yeah I I you know if he's clearly guilty. <hes> you have to blame the cops investigator and they worked for this credit them and that's what trump has been doing this entire time and these two guys were also staying at trump international hotel in Washington D._C.. And they were also meeting with really high up figures in Congress in their pictures of all of them that they would use to sort of vouch for their legitimacy of their connections are they U._S.. Born Ukrainian so these are U._S.. Citizens Okay so then they should be charged under Faira era so we should be considering putting them as ranchos on unfair their names are left Parnasse and Figo or Freeman Eagle Eagle Okay different guy but same different driver Stein's driver yeah and eager is my favorite. He retired at creator album right now so I'm like really obsessed with amy or Furman Yeah Nice Room and Abe Frohmann the sausage King Love Levin Eager Yeah <hes> so I mean I think it is a good fantasy and diving league pig for our promotion fantasy and diamond segments and make your yeah Giuliani <hes> of course hasn't given a statement on this yet <hes> they also believed that all they were doing was passing allying information that information was coming to them and they had the chance either buried or pass it on and they felt that it was their duty to pass it on. Yes Yeah Heroes Pass. Yes exactly <hes> so yeah. It's pretty sketchy. Honestly this knoop talked about and I think that they're pretty consequential off this <hes>. Do you think they broke the law. It's time to play a sketch or NAM now off the top sees <hes> <hes> and this is a fun thinks he's going to have to make now after we have to it <hes> in two thousand eighteen more than a million dollars was was wired to a bank account belonging to Parnis from a trust account from client Trista Count Out of a Florida lawyer who specialize in real estate in foreign investments and then that money was three hundred twenty five thousand dollars of that many was redirected to trump supporting superpac so there seems to be enough breadcrumbs for there to be an actual indictment against thin loaf at that point yeah y-y`all we know about it now. Someone else can actually bring charges all right well. Thanks for that regarding shit this week. A judge's unsealed Felix Sater's files. The decision came after the intercept you know the media outlet sought to access these filings some of which have been under over two decades <hes> one document must remain under seal is probably the one where he was cooperating with the government in some form or fashion <hes> but the judge acknowledged that public interest in this case has ballooned because of Felix Sater's connection to Donald Trump these documents payments however contained no mentions about trump and the judge wrote they contain no information <hes> which even the most inquisitive member of the public might find interesting are helpful and understanding trumper his associate so <hes> their unsealed but it's probably nothing. It's probably know biggs <hes> the reason for the unsealing ailing goes to a larger issue that judiciary is grappling with right now in the wake of Epstein recent arrest and the and the revelation of his off the books agreement with the government and this judge wants to ensure that the public has an opportunity to participate in the in the criminal justice preceding one silver lining so far that's come come out of the Epstein case totally <hes> other than him you know being in jail and the Senate finally you guys today passed the nine eleven first responders bill after two Republican Amendments Failed One from Mike Lee and Utah these are the two guys who objected Pau Randan Lee and. Lee wanted to cap the money that was available to them. <hes> and then the amendment from Rand Paul that would have cut the money from other places <hes> those amendments both failed and the clean bill passed ninety seven to two knife it reauthorizing replenishes the fund that was set to expire next year and it is good for the next seventy. Two years saw that twenty ninety if we make it yeah civilization. That's really wonder if somebody was actually thinking we should make this go at least beyond a total destruction of the planet just optimistic about it. Yes yes yes so hats off to the first responders of course Jon Stewart yes. He is like what I aspire to be. He's always has been to even he was a talk show host. He wasn't activists and now he's like started as a comedian how to show went full on activists and I love it. I love to death and I hope he comes back and does show. I WANNA be like him. When I grow up I still want to be that active and you did a veterans internship program for the daily show? He's just an amazing man yeah. When I grew up I forget him twenty six but you know gotta ways to go at hope I I WANNA be handed gray hair down a little bit off really well? He looks better than he's very hot. Did you see the picture of him with Mitch McConnell and he's just stand there with his hands pockets like he I win and somebody's like it's nice to see somebody make turtle soup. Oh that's totally not politically correct. We don't condone turtle soup or shark fin soup or anything like that. Thank you derogatory added making endangered species or cuting. We're not for that literally courtesy of okay. Yes literal not Mitch McConnell stew which I'm all for I am I would need it but now he just go ahead make or sinclair novel Boris. Johnson is the new Prime Minister The U._K.. So U._K.. Congratulations you have your own Donald Trump now. I'm I'm an I feel partially responsible so not me personally but as the government in the United States Jordan what's Go- Julius you have that too yeah yeah basically basically after seeing the U._S.. Elect trump U._k.. was like hold my pint so Boris. Johnson is set to replace. Theresa May as Prime Minister of the U._K.. This Week Actually Muller Day so today technically yeah as you're listening to this and in his victory speech he vowed to prove who've his critics wrong the haters and said quote dude. We're going to energize the country do yeah dude and really sets the tone there. He is much more chill. Sounding than Donald Trump will give sleet clown ass officer. Both things are true and it's really interesting to see how much has changed in the last few years for example in Twenty fifteen when interviewed about his chances of becoming Prime Minister Boris said quote it is more likely that I will be reincarnated as an olive locked in a disused fridge decapitated by a flying frisbee decapitate an all yeah talking about his with everything else sure sure but a Taser that his whole point was this is a ridiculous ridiculous statement. I'm never going to be prime minister and like yeah it makes no sense the way he laid it out but here we are. I was with the Yes anding until the decapitation sure yeah yeah yeah definitely but I agree with him. This is all pretty freaking insane with him and trump leading the western civilization illustration. It feels like a Black Mirror episode right. We've got merckel. They're running interference. We've got others like they're kind of leading the charge of leg what the evil what's it called like the people yeah you've got all these other guys and their places places and they're really just adding to the numbers of dictators in my opinion Yep yeah and I'm just convinced the Mayans were right about the world ending and twenty twelve because nothing normal has happened sense right like he's been kind of brewing up since Dick Clark died yeah yeah I believe even on the bright side diplomatic relations between the U._S. and the U._K.. Will dramatically improve overnight God never linings right for those that don't like to eight-year-old children that can now talk through scandal with comes with a stream essen diplomacy street phone. Yeah the idea or the cow goes mu that kind of thing. It wasn't a phone though right if somebody were toy but yeah okay so bores was one of the top two faces in the brexit campaign and if you thought Shitting U._K.. was crazy before just know that it's about to turn the fuck off so boris comes off as one of those like WanNa be ethnic. Ethnic cleansing goes right. That's his whole thing. He said some really anti-muslim Shit. Oh yeah because I know that I mean their whole thing. Brexit is like the most nationalistic pursuit suit or at least that's what it turned into very quickly yeah and he capitalist. He's basically an opportunist that saw lead in the water with Theresa May and went after that. I'm sad it's not Berko Berko Berko the one that was against him. Oh Yeah I guess yeah me Jeffrey Three Jeremy Jeremy Hunt who had been talking and talking about the the guy in parliament Berko. was he running for it. Just walk around and all right. I'm tired of my listeners now in the U._k.. It sucks at your in the same boat as us not to say not the same similar similar worse as their whole I'd on like system is about to be fucked. If that was all that was before he got but he wants to make it even worse yeah yeah. He was one of the leading the charge yeah so I guess his main thing is to take Britain out of the E._U.. And provide tax cuts to his Conservative Party so we'll see if he accomplishes that gross yeah it's possible uh okay yeah. I wish I had more jokes about that one. I just got bummed out. It also begs the question how this both arised in two of the most prominent Western civilizations boundaries like at the same time this this nationalism MHM France and Brazil and Poland and Hungary in Australia like it's. It's a growing movement holding freak. I think it's the death rattle of white. Supremacy is what we're seeing right now right before you go into menopause. She goes nuts lonzo warming. Now we're going to he flashes at totally I feel hot flashes alright another new person <hes> new Mark Esperer the former defense he was he's a former defense industry executive right and he was confirmed a- as the secretary of Defense today even he refused to recuse himself for matters related to those prior contracts but he sailed through though it was like ninety seven to two or something so we have a new SECDEF. We have a new secretary defense. If you ever hear me say SECDEF. That's who I'm talking about so all the Democrats supported him do most of them. Yeah I think probably at this point. What the fuck else yeah yeah sure I think he was former secretary of the army? which is that job that that Manafort guy wanted real so we could have cock as the secretary of defense right now so it's a U.? L. K. Right. Yes okay yeah okay so let's just I guess silver lining that we don't have manafort's personal banker cock. Oh my goodness is be guy as a secdef so and after just four hours of deliberation you guys a jury convicted Bijon key and that's Flynn's lobbying partner for acting as a foreign agent of Turkey without registering and subsequently lying about it he vases up to fifteen years in prison so he'll get like a year <hes> this if this conviction stands which seems shaky because during the trial judge triangle indicated he was giving serious consideration to a defense motion to acquit key out on the grounds that the prosecutors evidence was too weak to sustain a conviction to it holds though I wonder they'll charge flynn for the same crimes like I wonder if they're using this sort of a you know canarian Nicole mine to see if this doesn't stick maybe they won't Charge Flynn with his fair violations because now he's no longer cooperating witness in that Case He's a Co conspirator as labeled by the prosecution <hes> but you know if if if it does stick and they do hold the conviction maybe they'll <hes> maybe it's worth it to bring charges against Flynn as well <hes>. This is a big deal. This case is like you know got its own weight but also it's. It's really relevant. Flynn Link Yeah I think is worst right the way more than yeah yeah. Do you happen to know if the defense motion was filed before or after Flynn withdrew his essentially guilty plea as a witness after that in motion was after yeah so he saying since you don't have Flynn. I don't know if you guys are going to have evidence to. That's what that's what the judge maybe as thinking. I don't know if if if this defense motion was usually defense motion like this to dismiss the charges but it could have been filed before the conviction came down. I hope hope so because the judge might have seen this is a four hour deliberation by the jury this is an open and shut case. Maybe I won't but apparently in that conviction hearing he had mentioned it so I don't know I think the timing of that is important. We should find out what that is. If you know hit us up <hes> let us know via email and let's see oh I guess he's GonNa miss his daughter's wedding. Maybe flannery Janke remember. He wanted to postpone his trial till the fall. The judge is like why because my daughter's wedding August he's like we'll do it July fifteenth damage Yeah Yeah but I'm guilty and that would be a funny way to try to get somebody to admit crime. You're on. I'M NOT GONNA Leave Jail Gotcha yeah and it seems to house. Judiciary is going to seek a court order to compel mcgann to testify. We've been waiting for this. It comes after they already held him in contempt <hes> when the White House blocked him from appearing before Congress so they asked him to come in. He said No. They asked him again he he said no they subpoenaed Emmy said no they waited again he said no and then they hold they voted to hold him in contempt and the and now I think they're going to within the coming days. He's GonNa filed the suit to force the court to compel mcgann to testify <hes> the White House of course will contest this on the basis as a privilege <hes> but if guess what if we had an open impeachment inquiry privilege would give way to a legit impeachment inquiry so it's time for the house to open inquiry and strengthen their legal arguments in court <hes>. I think that their privilege argument is weak on its face ace anyway because you can't claim privilege because of the crime fraud exception clause <hes> that says you can't claim executive privilege if you were climbing yeah <hes> and so. I don't think that'll hold up anyway but it wouldn't even be a question if we had an impeachment inquiry reopened so that's one of the things when we're always talking about. It would be easier to get this done impeachment inquiry. We'll after today if they don't open an inquiry. I don't know what the fuck they're waiting for at all right after the only thing I can think of is is there waiting for trump or the White House or the Justice Department to Divi. edify Supreme Court order that would be the only happens what if he keeps like edging that and then then they will then they will have missed an opportunity totally <hes> but there's been so much that has happened that could have provided cover for them to open impeachment inquiry. I don't think think we'll talk about it later. In the second half of the show I don't know that Muller's testimony is going to maybe move the public needle enough to get them to open impeachment inquiry but they might get something out of it where they say we got Yup. Look at that we have to at least open impeachment inquiry and look into this obstruction of justice now now that we've had this testimony on exactly that's all I think they would need not even the public support just the public knowledge and I think if if we recall <hes> Nixon's there were sixteen percent in favor of impeachment I think we're in the forties so my God. I didn't know that yeah yeah so. I don't even know whether anyway figured out. I'm assuming I must I'm hoping Pelosi has a plan and we'll all be unveiled soon but we'll see plan. I'm going to be pissed more and has a plan for everything and she wants to impeach him. Yeah also Tuesday trump is suing <music> as a private citizen to block the ways and Means Committee from obtaining his tax records from New York State under the New Trust Act which allows the house ways and means to me to request New York state taxes. Neil has not yet invoked the trust act or asked for the state taxes taxes but he's facing increasing pressure to do so by his Democratic colleagues and US trump is claiming this is retaliation. He also sued Tisch James to prevent her from acting on the recently pass law saying that the House Ways and Means Committee's request for <hes> federal returns isn't about legislation <hes> it's about exposing him and he says quote the State of New York shares this animating purpose and his eager to help the committee exposed the president's private tax information <hes> Cuomo signed a trust act into law earlier this month that that didn't that went under the radar but he did sign that into okay into and a couple of things about that one is he saying that retaliating to him climbing like that's how it works and secondly. I feel like there's something that's how you tweet about if he does the private citizen and he susceptible pool to federal indictments right. You can't want to be a private citizen to do this lawsuit but not WanNa be a private citizen when it comes to being federally indicted exactly I think you're saying on principle that would make him able to be indicted but not like not in terms of the law and will in fact. I don't think she can sue as a private citizen because argument might come up that says you can't have the benefits there to of a private citizen without having all of the benefits and downfalls there to be quizzed upon you behest from now on defense today and therefore always a great works my non-legal language that's more very tailing which but yeah you can't have both ways bro and each it so that is the hot notes so many of them in news keeps breaking. We'll keep you posted. We'll be right back after this quick word with all of our Merlin Muller testimony information we'll be right back. Hey guys thanks for listening to the daily beans. If you're not a patron we have a new perk for you. 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Hey guys welcome back and today is Muller Day and you might already be watching probably not I think it starts. Maybe in about if you're getting this stinks probably about an hour to a couple of hours from now <hes> from when you're listening to this unless you were late unless you don't listen the second we drop. I don't understand stay on <hes> but anyway Muller's recently like last minute news muller was asked this committees to bring his deputy in with him and Republicans got mad and so two Democrats but this is just in from Muller Spokesperson Errands Assembly he's the deputy special counsel and he had day-to-day oversight of the investigations conducted by the office a special counsel and he will accompany Muller to the Wednesday hearings as we discussed <hes> he says as we discussed with the committee's more than a week ago so Jim Jordan minute bullshit on us. You guys knew about it a week ago but Zebbie will not be sworn in so he cannot testify in front of the House Judiciary Committee. He'll be there as counsel to molar the DEM's rejected Muller's request to the have him sworn in so he could testify on behalf. They're like no we want to hear from you. I'm glad yeah <hes> but the Intel Committee a shift is reportedly going to allow us to be sworn in an answer questions in the Intel Committee so obstruction no collusion version your and then of course you know the D._O._J.. Tried to limit his testimony. They wrote this letter. This guy named I don't know Shaima Anheuser or some shit. I can't remember his name. You're going to be mad at me so many already sounds confusing schneider. Dan Hash Man's mime <hes> he he he actually when he was appointed. They said you can't do anything with the more investigation. You aren't allowed to have anything to do with it. He was recused from it but then he's the one who wrote the letter to Muller saying you have to limit your testimony. You can't talk about uncharged third parties trump <hes> you can't you know basically can't talk about trump and you can't talk about any processes about how your investigation ended my very curious <hes> and so they want to try to limited testimony of course Nadler came out and said Shit. I was GONNA say now. You don't have to listen to them so is that true doesn't have to listen to them. That's true he's private. Citizen Flood Yeah but Muller is a rule follower so when he got the subpoenas he sent them to the department justice and said heads up. What do you want? What do you want me to do even though he didn't work for them anymore because he's just even if he wasn't going to work for them anymore because he's he's choirboy Komi truly it's more but yeah he's he's wants to play everything by the rules so that no one can look back in history and say he broke the rules <hes> I think that's probably what he's trying to hammer his legacy down as rule follower and non political rule follower and it might still work out for the truth anyways by him following the rules like you're saying these crossing teas and doubting it is and it's GonNa look better when he tells the truth yeah and his opening statement he did not clear that with the Department of Justice so that's interesting and speaking Tacoma he came out today and sat on television in an interview that the investigation into trump <hes> which was kicked off by Australian diplomat call Australia's diplomat calling us up and saying somebody told us that they're getting dirt from Russia popadopoulos through miffed sued and we thought you might want to know and so Komo's like if we didn't didn't open an investigation? We'd be fired if somebody called up if somebody called you up Republicans and said Hey our buddy said that they got dirt you know everybody who works for Hillary. Clinton says that Russia's talking to him. Would you want the F._B._I.. To say that's nothing it's nothing no not at all. It's deep state stuff. Don't worry about it. No they would be remiss in their duties if they did not open investigation because they had those clear articulate facts that McCabe always talks about <hes> but Komi said that was it called crossfire hurricane and Komi goes. He sat there for a second he goes yeah. Dan Totally admitted crossfire. Hurricane was the thing into trump of course we got reporting from this. We covered it in episode thirty one of Muller she wrote in May of twenty eighteen over to Mexico. It's one of the hurricanes trump can throw paper towels ad soft about he tried bounty. He's out there throwing paper towels at the F._B._I.. Rapper yeah. It's just not hotel here. What'd heard <hes> so law? Fair came out with its list of questions. I WANNA read a couple to you because I love them. <hes> first of all <hes> they said they should ask Muller to <hes> to the DO. Did you reach a judgment as to whether the president had committed obstruction of justice crimes I think he'll say <hes> I am not going to tell you what my judgment was. You can read the facts and make your own determination or something like that <hes> they also did you find substantial evidence that the president had committed obstruction of justice crimes. I think the answer there is yes not whether or not you charge them but did you find evidence that he committed the crimes but he's also said in his report. I can't even say I don't even want to say that he committed these crimes or that. I think he did because he doesn't have the the judicial apparatus with which to defend himself that's his sort of thing and he might bring that up. Did you find <hes>. Let's see what what was another one here. What did his other protest letter say to bill bar? So have you remember that letter. He wrote a bill bar ORLA. Stop lying about my ship rock quicker shake you said as per my previous letter on whatever whatever date a pretend I think <hes> and we never saw that previous letter. Oh the first warning so I'm interested to see because we know they had a couple of meetings in March march fifth or something like that but apparently he wrote one letter and that second letter is the letter we saw so. I want to know what his other letter said to bill bar price said just the same shit like right. I'm just probably just repeating himself in the second letter but that'd be interesting to know but you know the D._O._J.. Has I told him not to talk about any of the processes about the release of the report or the closing of his investigations he might he might you might see him lean over to <hes> Sibley and see if assembly tells him what it is and he I honestly don't I think he'll answer that. <hes> did you find that the president later directed the White House counsel to say he had not been ordered to have the special counsel removed and this is an important question because doing something like that would be outside the bounds of your presidential duties thaddeus right embar has said that the president can't obstruct justice if he's acting within his core presidential responsibility but witness tampering suborning perjury and creating false records or way outside of the president's core responsibilities so if somebody asked that. A question they can then ask the follow up you know so that that is not part of a presidential core responsibility right yeah no. It's not sorry Barney Weaver that joke was suborning perjury warning. We heard with elsewhere square republicans will be undermining Muller's investigation <hes> <unk> negation totally sober right now <hes> but they will be doing everything they can to undermine Muller's credibility and his investigation. They're going to talk about struck and page. Look for that. Put that on your Bingo card. They're gonNA talk about the dirty dossier or the fake dossier or whatever you want to call it which the trump's inspector general recently has deemed credible just a couple of the week and a half ago and they'll bring up the false claims that Mueller is conflicted either by having a membership at trump golf club and there was a fee dispute or that he begged for the job at the F._B._I.. And trump turned him down that is completely false. Muller did not want to work at the F._B._I.. <hes> trump asked to interview him but Moseley okay. He didn't want that job. He never asked for it and that Komi is his B._F._f.. Which of course also isn't true? Komi actually said today during interviews like I don't know his kids names. He doesn't know my kids names but I think he's an amazing in an amazing American at most probably better friends with bar at this. I was GONNA say that makes more sense so I think the whole point here is we want the these DEM's to ask for because we're not getting Mike wish which is to have one or two prosecutors. Ask all the questions on the Dem side and let the Republicans just eat shit on their own <hes> since we have to do with five minute a piece rule <hes> they they need to ask him short declarative questions right yes or no answers short answers or ask him to just read parts of his report. You know this is the difference between Book and a movie. Is that what everybody's saying. <hes> Chuck Rosenberg is not excited about this. Most people have their minds made up he says but if you take the time and the questions are good we can learn something and so that's important <hes> the problem we will be that the members of Congress themselves are probably looking for soundbites or spotlights or that Perry Mason moment. You know we'll be on one of these committees. She's she's really good at those lights. She is really good but there is going to be a Senate hearing. I think there was today with Christopher rain. I need to watch that yeah. I wonder WHO's GonNa ask questions then. I'm very curious to hear I have to look at sea and look at sea. WHO's on the committee's again? I don't know if U._C.'s on either one of those committees but <hes> that'd be fun little pre hearing prediction also issue like a coffee drinks. Lee is really awesome asking those questions. She's really good Nadler's really good. There's a lot of really good people obey issues on oversight yeah. I think she's oversight okay. She's on allows you come yes. She's on Elijah Cummings Committee anyway. They're just I think we just have to not fuck up. Yeah asked the right questions. Mueller will answer to the best visibilities just want people to hear it like just hear the report because they aren't listening to the audiobook not most people and they've been practicing to what I found funny was that the person playing muller in the practice rounds was norm Isan. You know that guy now. He's talking had a lot on M._S._N._B._C. Being Muller yeah he was. I'm more we're looking forward to have muller response to Republicans questions because you just gonNA shoot them down. <hes> have you seen some of they've been replaying clips of former. <hes> hearings were Jim. Jordan is like asking him a bunch of dumb questions and he's like what you know and sorry they just not giving into yeah. It'd be like look if you WANNA write those questions down from L.. Answering later he just doesn't want to be on T._v.. And he doesn't WANNA be political professional. You'll see that a lot to put some beans on that puts a beans on him and you can write those down from Miano answer them offline yeah. We should SIPA coffee retirees. How's that right I don't know but but it happens all the time national testimony yeah I know people say that because they want to make sure they get the facts right yeah whatever that yeah or sometimes they're like? I don't have any information right in front of me but she animal bra figured out <hes> then I hope that they're stupid enough to ask him general enough questions that he can answer right on the spot totally well. I can tell you for sure now and when you have an whenever you're saying encyclopedic elliptic mind like Zebra sitting right next to who managed and oversaw the day-to-day operations of this investigation. There's not going to be much. They don't know collectively for sure you know so guys. Get ready seriously tomorrow. Be An interesting show. I think it's make or break time but <hes> I don't know I have again. Don't get your hopes up because and I've I've talked about this on a couple of shows that I've been on in the last couple of days that trump wants issue to hope that muller goes outside of the corners of his report. I think that this letter from the Department of Justice Daring Muller basically to go outside the four corners of his report is to get dem's all excited like maybe he will <hes> so that you'll be let down and so basically what trump is trying to do is he's trying to build a scenario where if trump stays within the corners of his report he wins somehow that is not the case there muller rather yeah yeah no wins if trump wins if mueller stays within the corners of the more yes yeah but if you're expecting him to go elsewhere so he's trying to drive up this hype that you'll maybe he'll say something. Out of the ordinary in mainstream media is not helping on this and the letters from the D._O._J.. Muller and the way the Republicans lukens responded to the fact that W was going to sit next to him. They're all trying to get us to hope that he's going to do more than what we already know. He's going to do and what he's already said he's going to do because then trump can spin that as victory in this case and he will try to do that so don't fall for it right. They like like a whole exonerated collusion. He'll find that where there's any wiggle room so we have to stay the course and know that Muller's not GonNa go beyond the report literally if he sat up there and read excerpts from his report and that's it that is a win then we should take it as a win and he might still you'll saito exonerated even if Muller's sides report because he did that before but so what I mean people will still here the still still try also try to say see he said this so no collusion but that hopefully people can like you know think for themselves and but if he sees y'all getting mad that you no muller didn't stand up and knocked table over and go. He's a fascist degree that it's just knocking his agenda because then he can say look I one ha ha and don't don't fall for that right and if you see people like freaking out on twitter better than just calm down just like the report is damning enough and the idea is to get what's in the report at least the you know super important clarifying points across to the American public on television because again people don't read the book they see the movie. We should keep tweeting that that was just said like get that circulation govind with tweets people can see that reminded I've been I've been don't fall for it. It's yeah I'm going to be disappointed. You're going to be disappointed if you get your expectations. self-fulfilling prophecy is so <hes> hanging in there <hes> a member justice grind slow. We got to be patient. <hes> don't forget Watergate took four years and next Nixon was reelected so joined there is no Fox News then and they didn't have Fox News so just hang tight <hes> <hes> and take care of yourselves. Take each other. You guys have any final thoughts. <hes> I saw the lion king yesterday and that was really can't wait to see that yeah I cry when I saw it in nineteen ninety two it was good. It was really really hitting knock great reviews so that's good people expected different storyline. It's like the Muller report like it is what you expect this nostalgic just enjoy it. It's a good story. Just yeah th relevant yeah. I'm on a lot of weird threads these yeah it's like a celebrated called. Hell Huytler court learn just making fun of white supremacists. It's incredible. Oh that's a keen on satire podcast out there. That's like making fun of that conspiracy theory. I love that people are trying to resist in their own way careful though because my mom forever thought that Stephen Colbert on the Kobe report was serious yeah yeah that's that's I have an ex fucked boy whose Cunanan he keeps sending me <hes> Cunanan Video Yeah Yeah. I didn't know he was a Cunanan person until at first we were bonding bonding over like a anti-authority things and then just got real weird real fast. We know the old story playmates girl -Tarian Authoritarianism Yeah. I was like avoid meets world like you debut but I don't know where I'll find another play call. That was years ago. Though I have since grown a line I would say so this guy still saying the pizza gate messages into my d._M.. You could just ask alum. Doing you know you don't have to send me conspiracy theory media right just a hey you up you know. Have you seen Louis chains. Have you seen Louis Change Change Nine xs all the time have soon. Though have you seen it. Have you seen it. You see it yeah yeah yes. I've seen it okay anyway. Please again as I think I've already said to take care of yourself and take care of each other but hanging there. It's going to be a great remain. Optimism remained remain optimism. Eh embody optimism you have to become optimism. I'm creating new words also stay cool on a logistic. Oh my goodness fucking hot. It's like an actual issue yeah and also metaphorically stay cool. Yes literally and figuratively that Obama S._N._l.. sched- do keep a cool thing. He's talking about. God I think Obama's putting out a podcast he's like you better have a lot of spare time. Can you hear that podcast now a but I would watch or listen to that so initially thirty minutes I would totally subscribe to that is Obama's just like to yeah fall asleep to kind of soothing asthma right totally. I don't know I pronounce it as Moore is it not. I think it's A._S._M._A._R.. Dammit Jif into asthma <hes> you don't have to you don't have to agree with me so we all have around lingo we do and that is it. That's a show so <hes> again. <hes> you know what for a third time take care of yourself. Take care of each other I've been A._G.. I've bench Lisa Johnson. I've been Jordan Coburn and them's the beans. The daily beans is produced by A._G.. Featuring Lisa.

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Historic: Mueller testifies in public tomorrow

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Historic: Mueller testifies in public tomorrow

"This episode is brought to you by Cox With Contour T._v.. From Cox you can find all your favorites all in one place it does it have the youtube you Bet El what about that net flicker thing Netflix to and although Superhero Hero Movies Contour has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids loved that big green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay. I think we're done here now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on Contour T._v.. From Cox we are fifteen hours away from history right here in Washington. Special Counsel Mueller will testify in public before Congress on the criminal evidence against President trump for the first time. That's why pretty much whatever happens tomorrow is high stakes Democrats think motors credibility and appearance in the flesh will bring to life a case they say already exists on paper the evidence that Donald Trump committed crimes and office <music> but many of trump's defenders say they're actually confident in the other side of this argument that Muller did not charge an election conspiracy that his worst findings have been out there for months and then in terms of politically damaging trump tomorrow could be in their words a big doughnut so there are as always many ways to look at. This is the hearing approaches. I can tell you tonight we are getting all kinds of hard news about it on the congressional side Democrats reportedly holding this private mock here and to prep for a witness who has proven to be dry I- unyielding an unshakable in his sixty plus appearances before this institution then of course there's the muller side and even the famously tight-lipped operator has now been compelled to reveal some things about his approach for example we now know he's is being represented in prepped by a partner from his old law firm Jonathan Uralski. We only know that because Congress had to list a lawyer written down in that formal subpoena for Muller we also know as of today that wants one of his deputies Aaron deadly to sit alongside excite him tomorrow and it looks like that's going to happen now given the exacting boss and lawyer that Bob Mueller is can you imagine what it's like for those two lawyers to prep and advise them tomorrow on the most watched cheering of his life can't be easy then as you you get ready for this. There's The D._O._J.. Side trump attorney general bill bar formerly pressing Muller to stay in what he calls the boundaries of the report and the Democratic Chair of tomorrow's hearing already pushing back on that because he's incredibly arrogant of the department to try to instruct him into what to say it's part of the ongoing cover up by the administration <hes> to to keep information away from the American people. We does not have to comply with that. Letter doesn't work for them. <hes> and that letter asks things that are that are beyond the power of the of the agency to as even if he's still worked for them and it's true that the D._O._J.. Can only limit certain specified information like classified material for release so bars letter does look more like a fastball than a serious legal document cement wall bar keeps knocking other people for speaking out. I gotTa tell you he's not exactly keeping quiet today. Seeking Out Fox News cameras in conversations with the department his staff was voice reiterating that that was their position and they asked us for guidance in writing to explain <hes> were to tell them what our position so we responded in minding the department sent guidance they had twice so Miller actually requested yes <hes> secondly. What do you think of <hes> Congressman Adler lashing out saying this arrogant to send this level? He was missing now the debate over Mr Bar misleading the public is certainly important but that's ultimately about bar and those few months when he was using his filter before people had seen the report. I'm going to tell you right now as we get ready. Tomorrow has the potential to be about more than that about the underlying buying facts here are a few in terms of what the special counsel probe actually did legally charges against thirty four people in three Russian companies charges against several advisors in aides to Donald Trump remarkable string of indictments in trump world that it's sometimes forgotten about in this chaotic political era but considerate compared with other presidencies tonight which Nixon holding the record of twelve AIDS charging Watergate during his six years in office Clinton saw three associates charge mostly from Whitewater during eight years in office Obama Emma actually went eight years without facing special counsel let alone any indictments of AIDS and Donald Trump now holds the record for the most indictments this early in his term six former advisors or aids these facts actually you see on the screen. These legal and historical facts are a product of our system of an independent pro led by Bob Mueller. DONALD TRUMP has the highest rate of indictments for his aides than any president in history. Would you have that same result without muller or if bar had been the attorney general that whole time we phrase that question and many Moore's I bring in an expert panel on Muller Eve in the hot seat former federal prosecutor Paul Butler the daily Beast Eleanor clift and Betsy Woodruff and when the Oliver from the Center for American in Progress Action Fund Gray Panel for not just for Washington nerds but I think for everyone the eve of a really big thick Paul put it in the context of what we just saw all of the emphasis on whether it's good or bad for trump but this is actually the first time Muller's going to speak at all about methods for that record breaking series of indictments so ultimately what to moral is about is whether there are going to be consequences is the president of the United States above the law will old people be made to answer to justice and so it's theater because we already know what mother report says. That's the script the audiences the American people the Star is Robert Mother and Ari. That's the problem because thus far has not been an effective communicator the spin by trump and barred no collusion no obstruction that has been effective poll showed. That's what the American people know I know about the report and so if that y bar seems nervous that mother might actually upend some of that well he might but again if we look at the way he's pushback thus far it has not worked. This is what he said in that press conference. If we had no confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so say what what does that mean and so two moral for the health of our Democracy Muller needs to speak clearly plane the he needs to stay in a way that the American people can understand all of the criminal conduct by President trump that his investigation reveal you made to laugh. It's kind of like this. Yes you're correct. Paul Bar and trump have been out for months now really throwing their spin out there no collusion no obstruction is what we've heard from them repeatedly but this is really an opportunity for members of Congress Democrats to ask those pointed questions to muller who is someone who is a ardent public servants someone who was disciplined in principle it's really ruling on stay focused so honestly getting him on the record to talk through those ten counts of obstruction talk through the two hundred seventy two plus points of contact trump campaign then tried to cover up and even coordinated with a couple of folks behind the scenes because one thing about muller while he may be dry his direct and we saw that directness when he wrote to bar after bar released his summary back in April and said this doesn't capture the context the content or substance of my report and please release the content that my team prepared. We've heard many times from his team that bar has mischaracterized misconstrued his findings so this is time to lay it all out Illinois how much of this should be about that beef which can strike normal American audiences that might not have read the mobile itself. Let alone the filter as a little bit beside the point. I'm interested in the back and forth between bar and Muller but much more interested in what this man whose we're going to see him speak at length really only for the first time I'm much we're interested in his views about Donald Trump and he is a private citizen. He is bound by the rules of national security by his own sense of ethics of what he can reveal a given his previous previous bosses at the Justice Department and the pressure they've put on him but he's going to be before the cameras and be grilled for between four and five hours. He's he's got to give up something. The beast will be fed. Something will come out of tomorrow. The question is will it support. The edifice that trump and bar has built no collusion no obstruction all will that be dented or obliterated <hes>. I think it could go either way betsy I alluded and in the top there are trump era issues where there isn't really a good argument on the other side Charlottesville. There are other trump issues where people are so in the habit of saying the president lies or has bad arguments that they forget. There's a very strong strong argument here on the other side of the mole report number one you got into this to investigate an election conspiracy and volume one doesn't find a chargeable election conspiracy as we've reported and then number two as I think the three panelists far have said a lot of this does feel like it's in the water for America for urinalysis. Senator Graham makes that argument concisely here. I've heard all I need to hear for Muller Verdes report. I accept the findings. I don't think it's GonNa Change Public Opinion. I think he's right. I think for the most part the way that the public views the more report is baked in now one challenge for Democrats going into this is that molar isn't going to be particularly helpful to them. We've been reporting that some members might ask Miller himself just to read portions of the report. That's the kind of thing where you could potentially see at the margins some public opinion changing but for the most part as his show is highlighted. He's a pretty late connick guy and he's not super chatty me when he goes into these congressional investigations. Now I feel betsy that we're always reaching for the thesaurus for all these different ways to save chatty. I was going through with this morning S._A._T.. Words but the point here here's this is something that's risky for Democrats and in this case I chatted earlier with the Democratic member of Congress who said one of the concerns they have is molar will give very brusque and Kurt answers and then the members who are questioning might be caught off guard might not know how to follow up and right into looking a little bit silly so this is this is not just this is not a risk free environment. Oh but it's risky for the Republicans as well for sure. We'll probably going to plunge in there. I assume they're going to overreach. They're going to go into Peter Struck and Lisa page and all of that and. Ah Muller Does Not Suffer Fools gladly if at all and I think he could he could strike back at that kind of grants. This is the other Washington thing is the is the Republican argument fundamentally Muller and find anything so believe him or don't believe Muller alert which suggests will gosh and what he find that you don't WanNa believe. They're arguing both ends against the middle and I don't I don't you know they want to portray him. Someone who had a conflict of interest because he had to pay back dues or something they didn't refund his dues at a trump golf of course and they went to go into the oranges origins of the investigation and yet they went to accept the no collusion action. I'm not one question Bob Muller's judgment. I've covered him a long time and found him to be really spock solid but but I do wonder why he wanted so badly the Gulf at the trump no clue no substantive but I do wonder into relevant but still I think bring back too old for the overruled irrelevant but still muller who he is again. He's a creature of habit so while we're anticipating Brusque responses short answers not really tolerating writing any foolishness or grandstanding what he is going to do a standby what he's written in this report that's the one thing he has said repeatedly and while his language may not be the clearest can't speak and convoluted terms what Democrats have the opportunity here is to ask straight questions reverend saying listen examples outlined evidence mothers who he is but again at the end of the day this isn't about Muller this is about the rule of law and whether his report will have consequences you know in hip hop. There's expression do it for their culture which means speak up or behalf are shared values tomorrow while it needs to do it for their culture so he needs to set aside that diffidence fat dryness and speak true to the American people he needs to state clearly plainly cleanly that the president of the United States committed crimes and that if he were anyone but the president he would be behind I don't I don't want to complete your verse for viewers ago. All Butler years ago wrote a book called the Hip hop theory of justice which occupied but Jay Z and that in that line and many people use it says do it for the culture to let them know and it sounds like you want Bob Muller to let them know. The question is which part of the report are these questions going to get get because as I mentioned volume one has good news for the White House if there's substantive question that focuses on that I think the American public may go wait a minute but the whole thing that was started to see if the election was like a crime. It's not a crime that that can be good news if they focused because Betsy on wait a minute donald trump's own lawyer so that's like his guy got an order that was so flatly illegal in his view. He didn't just plan to resign. He called his own criminal defense lawyer. I mean do people know about about that. Certainly lots of people don't there's a significant percentage of Americans who don't even know that Mullah wrote a report and trump's relationships with his lawyers could be such an interesting through line for tomorrow remember. There's a section in the report where it describes one of trump's lawyers calling one of Michael Flynn's lawyers this mealy mouthed way hinting or hemming and high and suggesting Flynn might be able to get a pardon I spoke with D._O._J.. Official early in this administration so upwards of two years ago about the relationship that trump had had with lawyers and this person based on their knowledge of trump's history and also kind of having a sense early on what it was going to be like said look trump views lawyers like their blunt instruments he treats them like tools sledgehammers that he can use to get his way and disagree with the Roy. Cohn image always comes up when you think of Donald Trump but it it's a good thing that alight is going to be shine on this report a report that says if we could've exonerated the president from wrongdoing we would have done so and we didn't and Mr Bar in a burst of candor recently said he he was puzzled. Why why Muller Solar didn't bring a charge of criminal behavior? He understood why he couldn't indict him. But why didn't he make judgment about criminal behaviour. I thought that was pretty amazing coming out of bars mouth now if somehow we we can get or we could get Democrats can get a muller to acknowledge that this is criminal behavior perhaps going through those ten instances one by one asking him what they mean. I think that's a service to starting first question I would ask to elicit that testimony as Mr Muller till the American people what trump's there when he learned you were investigating him but he said was Oh my God this is terrible. My presidency is over. I'm screw and arts say it yeah yeah do it for the culture but also do it for the committee. It'll be interesting everyone's hand but I can't read Eleanor Betsy and Juanita's he does as well as Paul. Thank you so much fitting a break coming up an exclusive guest making a beat debut journalists Bob Woodward is here live from Nixon to Watergate trump and the Russia probe. He's seen it all. We're excited join us on the eve of these hearings hearings later in the show member of Congress question will or joins me live. We're GONNA get into some of what we discussed. But how do you actually do it and we have a deeper dive on what some are now saying is explicit effort to gag muller by trump's attorney general. I'm already Melbourne. You're watching the beat live from Washington high. It's Katy Tur- WanNa keep up with M._S._N._B._C.. While you're on the go subscribe to the M._S._N._B._C. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented unprecedented era of news text M._S._N._B._C. to six six eight six six to subscribe our top stories reckoning that's over two years in the making arriving first thing tomorrow morning at something Donald Trump didn't want he never wanted to speak to Miller himself and he never wanted Muller to speak to the nation but notice. It's also something Bob Muller didn't want. He never wanted to talk talk about his report. He pleaded to let it speaks for itself but in our democracy it's not his call and Congress says he must take questions under subpoena like anyone else or if you think about it like five hundred of those witnesses that muller made speak under subpoena and so now tomorrow Bob Muller will testify just like any one of them. It's literally about thirteen hours from now. You could see Capitol Hill live here. We're Democrats have been huddling in extra prep sessions that clearly outstrip most most normal hearings including prominent attorney and former Obama official norm Isan playing the role of muller like some kind of presidential debate prep today congressional aides were scurrying back and forth making phone calls finalizing details. We know that were negotiations over these new pressure tactics from the Justice Department questions about which Miller prosecutors can advise him during the hearing and who will face Congress in a closed session N._b._C. News reporting night that molars deputy Aaron Sibley will be at the House Judiciary hearing tomorrow morning so if you see Bob Mueller turned to someone tomorrow during tough question that's will be conferring with him questions like did you report fine no obstruction. When did your team decided could not indict a president? What did your other protests letter to bill? It'll bar say and why did you report rebut a president's potential defenses to obstruction unless you were implying donald trump did obstruct justice and preparing rebuttals for that and then a really big question question did Bob Mueller hold back from what prosecutors did back in Watergate because trump didn't do anything as serious as Nixon and Watergate or did he hold back because today's laws governing special counsels are much narrower the broad powers of prosecutors in that Watergate era well. That's part of the context for our special interview next Washington Post Journalists Bob Woodward who's dogged pursuit of the Watergate story was part of the journalistic legal process that led to Nixon's resignation nation joins the beat for the first time on the eve of this hearing when we're back in thirty seconds welcome back on the beat we are now joined by journalists Bob Woodward who won a surprise for his Watergate reporting continues to scrutinize and report on Washington power right on through the current trump era five men were arrested early Saturday. We're while L. trying to install eavesdropping equipment at the Democratic National Committee the country tonight is in the midst of what may be the most serious constitutional crisis in its history. The president has set himself against his own attorney general and the Department the Justice Washington Post Reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein piece the Watergate story together bit by bit suppose we had not written those stories <hes> we we've thought about it and we've realized that it's futile because you can't answer it. These are the people who said that the truth is negotiable. Bob Woodward's explosive new book on the administration fear trump in the White House shows the president lashing out fear it paints a portrait of a chaotic White House driven by dysfunction. The Washington Post Bob Woodward joins us on this even Muller hearings the author of nineteen books including his mentioned to New York Times bestseller fear about the trump administration time magazine stated his work. All the president's men Co author with Carl Bernstein remains. Perhaps the most influential piece of journalism in history. Thank you for being here. Thank you for inviting me. I'm thrilled to have you thrilled to learn from you. Let's begin with the basics. How should Americans Watch this hearing tomorrow? Well I think is you've suggested this is democracy and this is the president being held accountable in a way he does not want this testimony. He does not want this spectacle but we're going to have it and the the the question is how do you look at the evidence. That Muller presented. Is You pointed out earlier in the show. It's very clear in volume one on the basic investigative issue was thorir coordination was there was some sort of conspiracy. They didn't find it. That was a big deal that shocked lots of people probably check you didn't it. You're being a journalist asking me. It seems to me to take your question seriously that at least by the ninth inning of the probe a lot of the investigative focus was on Roger Stone and not the type of people that would have pulled off a true conspiracy well but they. Didn't find it and that's very significant now on the obstruction issue it is not got that kind of tape recorded incontrovertible evidence Um that we saw in Watergate. Let me let me get to that exactly. Then says you mentioned it listening to those tapes that you reported on the shock. The Nation here is a short one where the president himself starts talking the blackmail on their or <music>. How important is that when you're investigating a present when you listen to that tape in look at the transcript the president is told we're going to have to pay blackmail money the Watergate conspirators here's to keep them silent to keep them from telling the truth and you look at the whole Watergate story and the evidence it was not only cover up lots of crime seventeen wiretaps ordered on white eight house aides and reporters so in terms of magnitude? We don't see that in the trump investigation so far but there are lots of things in the obstruction investigation these ten items that are presented that you think a president doing these things whether the criminal are not they really should be intolerable. Let's not what the president should be doing. Cindy AIDS OUT OH stop the investigation cut it back and so people are going to look at that through the Lens of politics or the law and also the wonderful lands is that I think is on this issue more important common sense what was going on here. Was this some sort of effort to strangle an investigation clearly. It was was it criminal criminal trump talked about in sent people out to let's get rid of Bob Muller the special counsel and his investigation but it never happened. We let me say Nixon He did did let me pause you on the word you just use although not to a criminal degree you say the Muller report does show an effort to quote strangle the probe yes clearly and what should Americans make of that well. They're people are going to look at it very very differently and that's the beauty of this report. This is the beauty of having somebody like Muller. Testify and people are focused on it and they're going to learn from it and where it goes. I don't know in in the case of Nixon when all the evidence or the evidence up to the month Nixon resigned in one thousand nine hundred seventy four was berry goldwater. The conscience of the Republican Party went to Nixon and essentially said because of what's on the tapes all all the criminality all the lies you are finished and ninety five senators out of one hundred are going to vote against you and when Nixon was told that he resigned the next day and Bob You keep stressing the stock and trade that unites good prosecutors and good journalists which is evidence not a theory of the case not a speculation about what motives might be but the evidence in Nixon we look at blackmail blackmail which would just mentioned you have this overwhelming evidence from the tapes that you mentioned there smoking gun that will put up here quote. We're being blackmailed says Dean Nixon says the blackmail he's aware of it. They say the blackmail is continuing think we have this here and Haldeman says the problem with the blackmail Nixon says to pay the blackmail you look at this up and we'll leave it up here to sink in does the mullahs the report have this level of presidential conduct proven it does not and we need to face that and people who are so object to trump. I've been in the last book I did. I didn't find anything new in the Russian conspiracy but I found the way trump governs we really have a governing crisis and you pull out how he is handled North Korea or Saudi Arabia or China or the tariffs this this this is not the way we need to be governed and we better worry worry about that also but you know this I I applaud that we're having this hearing quite frankly yeah you think this is a worthwhile endeavor. Despite of course all the political noise attacking it because you're here I wanNA go deeper with. You and let's put up the legal evidence that does compare this. We we hear these historical comparison so often but let's look at the legal evidence here when you start it starts out bad for trump as you'll see here Bob you look at the attempted had firing the alleged crimes and you have the attempt documented in the middle report of trying to fire Mueller. That's the trump version and the Saturday massacre famously with Nixon but then when you go to the action what process would call all the over an act of firing the prosecutor. Let's look at the evidence you have the massacre with Nixon you don't have it with trump partly don mcgann May of save the Presidency and lastly for your analysis as discussed this idea of what it trump wanted to do. What did he secretly try to do? What was his intent? The mole report gestures at it plotting caught on tape though with Watergate you have it. What is it in your view? Is that the key difference here at the end of the day or not well. There's it's an unwritten rule in the Justice Department going way going back decades and that is the the more evidence the higher quality evidence you have you need it. You need more of that. The Higher Ugo everyone talks about in these thousand prosecutors who've said rightly average citizen who had this kind of evidence against him or her her would be indicted and charged but the president is not the average citizen in to to to Muller's credit he adhered to the office of Legal Legal Counsel opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted and if you just think of they are not through any partisan lens that make sense you can't go around and indict the President President who has all these responsibilities in the executive. Let's be clear there were plenty of people who felt that was the obvious and clear standard until Donald Trump became president and even in the legal community which is supposed to pry consistency. We saw some shifting among some before we go. I WANNA turn to some of your reporting. You interviewed Bob Muller and he's told you all the way back in two thousand two right when he was F._B._i.. Director director he says I don't feel that I get the substance or texture of an issue issue without going far down in the organization as it takes to find the person who understands his dealing with it day to day could be accused of micromanaging and I'm sure I am Bob. Couldn't someone wave that quoted him tomorrow R._O._A.. He says I don't know I'd have to check back and say Mr Mueller War. Understanding is every day. You've already checked in with everyone to know what you know well but he but he I mean this is a wonderful description and it was not a question question. I asked him volunteered it and he said I'm interested in substance in texture and I WANNA dig as it to the level in the organization where you have the people who have dated they responsibility. He did this in this investigation I think is I've read the report now three times my God for you know to be punished like that. That's because seen hundred pages then it's time it's <hes> <hes> slog but you see something new each time and it is a very important presentation of findings about presidential behavior in the end and I think this is what attorney general bar hung so much on the report says Muller says this report did not find did not conclude that the President President committed a crime and that's very important. Whatever the reasoning is go back to Watergate? They did find that Nixon committed a crime and the in the special will prosecutor in that case had Nixon indicted as unindicted co-conspirator by the grand jury in secret and Muller Said No. We're not GONNA do that and he talks about that. Eh In this report so I think lots of people are going to look at Mahler and say okay. I don't necessarily agree with all of it but this is a decent process. We also live in the environment. Now of the unexpected the witness that appears I know people I know myself and working on all of these issues <music>. I'm looking for new witness and <hes> if you look at the history of Watergate it was only kind of an accident that they found the secret taping system that Nixon had we don't don't think trump had one but let's keep digging and in to a certain extent. It's the probably the best digger around is smaller. It's too bad he's home or playing playing golf. At this country. I think as you say it was interesting to hear you fairly draw the comparisons and the contrast and also say and I think it's a fitting point to to end on for today. Let's keep digging Bob Woodward. Thank you so much thank you yes. Sir Put in a break and ahead has promised to judiciary committee member we'll be doing some of that question. Joins me live. We'll be right back. We chose those words carefully and the work speaks for itself and the report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before Congress. Bob Mueller is famous declaration about how he wants to testify. We'll be tested tomorrow and my next guest is one of the lawmakers questioning mother and May WanNa push beyond the conversation Congressman Joe Goose Judiciary Committee which which begins the questioning first thing in the morning. Thanks for joining me on the eve of your day. Thanks for having me on. Are you going to be here. What do you want to know a lot? There's a lot of crowned to cover for for our committee. I mean look tomorrow how the Judiciary Committee which serve on the Intelligence Committee that Congress and ultimately the American people will finally have the opportunity to hear directly from the special counsel at length about his findings exhaustive invest we've been we've been reporting reporting that all night. What are you WANNA know? What are you gonNA ask them well? I'm not going to reveal the questions I did suffice to say that the Committee and committee staff members have been working diligently for quite some time all right. It'll be driving their west. We both in this job tomorrow. The ideal with typical witnesses like you right now. I mean that nicely and you deal with wanted tomorrow. Let me ask you a different way. If Bob Mueller says to you and your colleagues see the report. I dress that in the report. I'm not going to go beyond the report. Is that not acceptable in your view as a as a guide post for those hours which to some degree people would say what was the point of all this or do you feel that your role is a co equal branch of government means. It's your call to get that Info from him and not his call or or the justice apartments call to say we're not gonNA say anything I would say things first and foremost I do think there is value in the special counsel providing clarity in context to his findings tomorrow in a public testimony before the committee so as you know most of Congress has not read the report four and most of the American public has not read the report so having the special counsel come in and be able to actually detail his findings out loud. I actually think that that will be incredibly helpful and we'll be important to the American people to hear how would also say obviously as you've covered on your program that to the extent the special counsel decides to stick within the four corners of the report. That's his decision to make that is not in my view a rule by any means that he has to adhere to we'll see what happens here. Yeah Bill Barr says the rule yeah well. I think bill bars wrong but that's not the first time that I've found that the attorney general his his made the wrong legal conclusion so again suffice to say are either is a four hundred forty eight page report that most people have not read and so the ability for the special counsel to go into great detail about his findings. I think again is going to be important for the American public to be able to hear that directly China on that which elements an incidence of obstruction outline their most concerning to you. It's a tough question I would think that in particular the obstruction incidents involving a White House counsel mcgann to me are the most disturbing and in some respects must degree so I'm interested to hear more about that in the special counsel tomorrow and and do you think Don mcgann is still trying to defend trump sort of or is he passed that I hope not I mean I think we all were puzzled by his decision to defy congressionally subpoena that was duly issued a few months ago and you know I'm hopeful that eventually we will secure his testimony before the committee. I think he's going to have to be compelled. At the end of the day to testify as our number of other fact witnesses as you know congressman goes you did not reveal your whole playbook. You did not answer every question to the fullest list extent violate the lawyer's oath. It's a preview of tomorrow is what I'm jokingly saying. I went to busy night for for your whole committee. I really appreciate you coming on the beaten and giving us some of your thoughts of course. I'm happy to share more tomorrow evening. Thanks I have a hunch yeah. It'll it'll come in due time. Thank you sir. We're not going anywhere because I want to tell my viewers. All of you one other important story. There's a lot going on in Washington but consider the hours ago story. We've been covering for a while. The Senate did finally move and Act Act on this legislation to fund nine eleven victims support and it will be done for decades now if you remember this is the product of a pretty intense lobbying campaign by a whole group of first responders New Yorkers and comedian Jon stored in fact just before the vote went to the floor. This photo of Stewart went absolutely viral. What you see here is John Stewart I would say almost puckish Lee smiling at the camera as his phone on this issue majority leader Mitch McConnell Strolls Strolls Bhai in the capital Stewart also spoke after the legislation was passed? We can never repay all that the nine eleven community has done for our country but we can stop penalizing them and today's that day today's Day John Stewart gets the last word on that today when we come back after a quick break bill bar of course is accused of spitting the mole report and now is trying to actually muzzle molars deputies these. I have a former prosecutor who actually work directly for Muller when we're back one of the obvious problems tomorrow for the Justice Department is that it has had all kinds of critiques of Bob Muller speaking out but he's now going to speak out under Subpoena Chairman Nadler has said this about why that scares Attorney General Bill Bar of course the attorney general bar does not want to testify. He doesn't want to be contradicted in his lies and misrepresentations. I Mr Bar is obviously changed his tune over time about this whole issue. Take a look Miller personally testify. What about Bob Mower should he be allowed to testify before this? I've already said publicly. I have no objection to. I'm joined by Kirschner who worked directly four Bob Miller in Washington U._S. Attorney's office. What do you make of Mr Vars Shift Ari? I see this last ditch attempt at the the Bill Bar Department of justice to try to muzzle Bob Bob Muller by sending the letter to page letter that was sent yesterday I would say it's a letter of do's and don'ts but it's really just a letter of don'ts when you read that to page letter. It's surprising how many prohibitions they could actually cram into just two pages. Let me just tick through them really quickly. They say Bob Muller you'd better stick to the four corners of your report and here's what you're prohibited from doing. Don't talk about grand jury materials. Don't talk about reductions. Don't talk about ongoing investigations. Don't mention charged persons. Don't talk about executive privilege. Don't mention the deliberative process don't mention any attorney work client privilege. Don't you think it'll move Miller in any way you know. They're trying to muzzle muller but I don't think they're going to be able to do it. You Know Muller is not going to be impacted by outside forces trying to edit him and trying to limit him. The only thing that edits and limits Bob Muller is the internal man he will be guided by what he thinks is right and just and fair. He's not going to be pushed somewhere. He doesn't WanNa go but I think the most interesting question are is if he's asked questions beyond the four quarters of its report that don't implicate eight any of the privileges that I think he should be concerned about. Does he answer because he did tell take an oath to tell the whole truth and to be responsive to question so I think that may present Bob Muller with a little bit of an internal struggle. Let me asking more widely but what we've learned here because we are at this inflection point tomorrow. That's going to put a button on the probe. We were very happy to have Bob Woodward on the beat for the first time earlier this hour and he sort of through the question tobacco were you surprised that they didn't find the collection conspiracy and I alluded to the fact that at least by the end we weren't on this show because we've been talking to so many witnesses so we had a sense of where investigators were going and it did look like worse findings coming on obstruction than on volume one conspiracy and since you've been helping helping us think about these issues along the way for the whole ride. I WANNA tee up some of the witnesses we've heard from throughout this probe right here on the beach. Take a look. They can take down Donald trump take down if he did. If Donald Trump did something take down. I'm not going to go into a grand jury for them to set up a case I will not lie to keep myself out of jail and I realized that I could go to jail for the rest of my life. What was it like for you in prison? How were you treated by the other inmates are not the traditional short-term in me? It was trump country. Okay quite frankly mistreated excellent. I mean using the other trump supporters and viewed us through that Lens. Let's say I had some street cred. If I knew how dishonest honest people would be behaving behind the scenes I definitely would have done some. You know I would have been more careful when you take it all together. What is your interpretation of who was charging who wasn't because on obstruction destruction one of the arguments that trump's side will make is there's no co-conspirators on obstruction Mr mcgann and others who were caught up in request to commit crimes according to the mall report refused them you know I think what we are? Forgetting is that Bob Muller referred out fourteen cases and investigations to various U._S. Attorney's offices. I have a hard time believing none of them will bear criminal fruit. I suspect we're going to hear some indictments in the future so I don't think we've seen the last of the defendants so I don't know that we're GONNA learn much more about that tomorrow. But I think as we move forward when we start to hear from the Dodd mcgann's in the Corey Lewandowski's Bill Bar and Donald trump or so deathly afraid that the American people are about to see for themselves the movie that's not going to bode well. You're right about the fear because we're picking up the numbers of it out of the White House as whether this case closed or not <hes> we'll just have to wait and see Glenn Kirschner. Thanks for being here. Thank you are yes sir. We're going to fit in one more break and we have one more thing on this big show. When we come back I'll be back here with you tomorrow morning on M._S._N._B._C. Bright and early reporting from both inside and outside the Rayburn office building a twenty one forty one where everyone is gearing up for this hearing join US starting with morning?

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Welcome to Mueller Week

The Point with Chris Cillizza

04:27 min | 1 year ago

Welcome to Mueller Week

"Hey Ladies yes what C. N.. N.'s got a new podcast and we're talking about movies with award-winning actors directors costume designers. ooh Tell us more tell us more you want more girl. You've got to subscribe to Lisa. Sandra and Kristen go to the movies. Wherever you get your podcasts welcome to the point for July twenty second? I'm more into Sanski Co author of the point. I'm here to cut through the political spin to bring you the news. You need to know. Welcome them to Muller Week on Wednesday former special counsel Robert Mueller is expected to testify in front of Congress and there is a lot of Hoopla around the blockbuster event television networks like yours truly at C._N._N.. Or Planning Wall to wall special coverage of the testimony sure Muller made very clear that he does not expect to say anything beyond what he wrote in the four hundred forty eight page report on Russian interference that he released the spring but that was before he was subpoenaed. Which explains why he's testifying at all Democrats know how high the stakes are for this hearing which explains what committee members or intensely preparing a pointed line of questioning for Muller these Democrats are banking on the fact that Muller's testimony Tony will shift public perception about the president's alleged criminal activity which is outlined in the special counsels report look for Democrats to hone in on five areas of the molar report or they think the president clearly obstructed justice that will include his efforts to fire the special counsel into tamper with witnesses like his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort Democrats also planned to press Miller on the contacts with Russia and wikileaks also details in the report all in the hopes does that molars testimony king combat the president's constant refrain of no collusion trump repeated that line no collusion no obstruction when asked about Muller's testimony on Monday trump also said that he probably plans to watch a little bit of? Of Muller's Wednesday testimony that's a change from Friday when trump said he didn't plan to watch it at all which brings us to the point all is yes all is will be on Capitol Hill and Robert Muller on Wednesday and that's the point for July hi twenty-second Twenty nineteen. Thank you for listening for more updates throughout the week including our Sunday night campaign edition subscribe to the point newsletter at C._N._N.. Dot Com slash though point. If you like this audio breathing you can get on Google home or Amazon Echo poor subscribe on Stitcher or apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app so you never miss an episode. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow download the Mar- Tech Podcast Amar Tech podcast tells the stories of real world marketers who use technology to generate growth and achieve business and career success from advertising. Rising to software as a service to data getting brands authentically integrated the content performs better the T._v. advertising typical life span of an article about twenty four to thirty six hours before reaching out to the right person with the right message and it clear call an action that it's just a matter of timing ready to learn the secrets of technology driven marketing download the Martic podcast just search Martin M. A. R. T. E. C. H.. Wherever you download your podcasts are you interested in learning how enterprise gail companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility than download the voices of research podcast from the heart of Silicon Valley here Search Metrics Inc C._E._O.? Jordan Kuni delivers actionable insights dowdy data to navigate the ever changing landscape of Google Apple Amazon the voices of search podcast.

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Ep. 824 - Mueller Lite

The Ben Shapiro Show

1:00:09 hr | 1 year ago

Ep. 824 - Mueller Lite

"Robert Mueller testifies on the hill the media defendant and Omar and the Justice Department targets big tech. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro Show Oh man it was the biggest news of the day day of the Year of the century Robert Muller was going to appear before the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees and my goodness we are going to find out at long last what president trump had done. I mean sure there was already a four hundred forty eight page report about at sure I remember I seem to remember reading the whole thing was super boring and had some spicy moments mill and a great book or anything and then I remember coming on the show and summarizing it in detail for like three straight days but that wasn't enough the Democrats had bring Robert Muller in because they wanted to grill him and they wanted to demonstrate that in reality despite the fact that Robert Mueller had said he was not hindered in his investigation despite the fact that the investigation in fact found no collusion with the Russians despite the fact that the obstruction charges coaches were not sufficient to bring a prosecution and that Robert Muller had begged off the Democrats were under the weird assumption that Robert Mueller is going to show up and he was going to say guys time for me to drop the pretense and a drop the pretense right now trump is guilty and you only see you can impeach him. That was what the Democrats were hoping for from this so the build up to this event was magnificent folks in the media. Were really really excited about all of this folks in the media thought of this will be the moment this will be the moment when finally the trump is brought to heel and so we're Democrats Democrats were very excited about this. He had representative Ted Lieu from the State of California. Saying minds are GONNA be blown. It's GONNA be incredible. Basically this was like the build up to Istar. We're GONNA spend in an awful lot of money and there's a lot of press and then the movie was going to be not very good well. That's how it Kinda ended up. Here's Ted lieu though really really pumping up this thing as those Alita battle angel is like we're just GonNa pump this thing up here. He is explaining guys me. It's going to blow your mind. It's like James Cameron movie except boring in with an old guy for people were read. The mullahs reporter followed the issues. This will not be surprising tomorrow but for people who have not read the report or have only listened to bill bar or Donald trump their minds may blown because they were going to see facts that they never saw they're going to be seeing that. The president directed his White House counsel to fire this special counsel. That's crying and MUNC- that the president director his White House counsel to then cover that up and create a fake document. That's a second crime and then I'm going to see that he directed Corey Lewandowski to ask Jeff sessions to limit their investigation Donald Trump. That's a third crime okay. None of those crimes and none of those are crimes the for the first third particularly. They're not crimes you could have fired the special counsel at any time it would have been impeachable it would not have been a crime he could have had jeff sessions limit the scope Muller's investigation that wouldn't have been impeachable it would not have been a crime as far as instructing Don mcgann to create a document for the press that was not a crime ramming that that probably was not at least not sufficient to charge according to none other than Robert Muller in any case the media had really built this thing up. There's a piece by Bloomberg talking about in high stakes Muller hearing their big risks for everyone is Robert Muller has vowed he won't go beyond what he's already written about Russia Donald Trump and obstruction of justice when he testified on Wednesday but there's a lot at stake in how much or how little he brings to life the dry specifics of his four hundred forty eight page report while it was going to be supremely exciting and Democrats Democrats were hoping that Americans would tune in if they did they were asleep by the end of the first inning. This is a baseball game. They were out by the end of the first inning representative David Cecil Lean. He says this is Congress saying no one is above the law. Here's Chris Cuomo getting super excited with David in Sicily. You'RE NOT GONNA learn anything tomorrow that you don't know already Democrats aren't going to live but also to be sure that the American people understand their democracy that was attacked. They have a right to know. This investigation was conducted on their behalf. It's important that the person who led the investigation report to the American people about his findings about the evidence that he uncovered and then it will be incumbent on on Congress to hold him accountable Mr Muller and the very final paragraph of the report says this is Congress's responsibility to demonstrate that no one is above the law muller's performance was going to be the big thing now. It's worthwhile reviewing what the Mullahs report actually found. There were several key claims in the mullahs report. The first is that the trump Russia collusion claims were farcically overblown like really really overblown. There are certainly members of the trump team who acted suspiciously including President Trump who continued to tell the American public no work was occurring on the trump tower Moscow deal during the two thousand sixteen campaign which of course was not true but the Miller report makes it clear that all of this was really really exaggerated is a quote from the report. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally for information stolen and released through Russian efforts. The investigations did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. The Miller report also never really referred to the steele dossier which apparently was the basis as a lot of the investigation in the first place the Miller report revealed that when it came to obstruction of justice that they had no real clear definition sufficient to prosecute the president recommend prosecution it found that trump acted perversely in a lot of ways this report it found that he was threatening to fire people he was trying to push his White House counsel Don mcgann to lie to the press regarding trump's desire to fire James Comey and there's a lot of ugly stuff in the report but there's nothing that rises to the level of criminally prosecutable behavior trump's team basically stopped him from violating the law time and time again what the report mostly reveals when it comes to obstruction is that trump was just ticked off at his own D._O._J.. And it his own F._B._I.. Because he felt he was being unjustly persecuted by them. The real takeaway from the Miller report was here is a bunch of information if Congress wants to go forward with it if Congress wants to impeach then that is a congress problem. Congress tried to throw this back in Muller's lap today. They tried to basically get Muller to testify that trump should be impeached and muller. That's not <unk> how it went now. Republicans basically expected this was going to happen so Mitch McConnell the Senate Majority Leader. He said we're not gonNA find anything. That's new here how many times you've got to watch this movie guys. You know it seems to me. I don't know how many times we want to see this movie again but ah I think the American people have moved on passed this okay and he's not the only one Lindsey Graham said I've heard all I want to hear on this. Thing won't reshape my dynamic. I've heard all I need to hear from vertex report art. I accept the findings. I don't think he's GonNa Change Public Opinion Having been involved in the Clinton impeachment at the public's not with you. You'll pay a price and I don't think anything muller can say it's going to change anybody's mind now again in the run up to this there was a lot of talk about. Maybe the trump administration was going to restrict what muller could testify about. There's a lot of talk about a particular letter sent from the D._O._J.. To Robert Muller that basically said stick to the report so why did that letter come about as it turns out William Bar the Attorney General says that Muller actually requested the letter said he could point to the letter when it came time for him to testify you know it is press conference <hes> Bob had said that he intended to stick with the public report and not go beyond that and in conversations nations with the Department <hes> his staff was reiterating that that was their position and they asked us for guidance in writing <hes> to <hes> explain <hes> or to tell them what our position was so we responded in Writing Department sent the guidance. They had requested okay so this was all the build up in a second. 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He turns into Meg Ryan from when Harry met Sally the Justice Department has told Muller to limit his testimony to what is in his report. Oh no now all he's got is four hundred and forty eight pages of incredibly damaging evidence that the president committed ten separate instances of destruction of justice and at one point he said and I quote. Okay well again here. Is there so excited. Did it turn out to be exciting. Did it turn out to be wonderful not really imagine that you're Robert Muller. Imagine that you spend two years working on this report or is it turns out that you spend two years smoking. Oh can chain smoking cigars back while your team writes your word as it appears is what actually happened. Imagine that that is your life and then you walk off America's stage into the sunset having done your work and then they call you back in there like tell tell us what tell us. Tell us what you said. God don't you people know how to read. That's pretty much how this went except that Robert Mueller was not the steadfast thorough stolid public servant that that people thought he was he looked pretty precarious out there and this was the critique from both right and left and David Axelrod was saying he looks old you a little bit dithering. He looked like he didn't really know what was going on. which did raise the question as to how much of this report he actually wrote? This was a serious question because there is a claim by President from there was actually actually Muller's team that did most of the writing Muller's deputy a guy named Andrew Weisberg was a Hillary Clinton accolade news at Hillary Clinton's elect election headquarters the night that the election actually happened. He was a big Hillary Clinton Fan. He apparently was the lawyer for what Hillary Clinton's aides who helped smasher blackberries with a hammer. That guy was was involved in the writing and so there's claims today that given how Dicey Muller was on the stand here dic- he wasn't his testimony that maybe he wasn't actually in control of this report in the first place that would explain why oh you got that bizarre letter from Muller's team to William Bar suggesting that he did not fully elucidate the findings of the reporter that there had been some sort of cover up muller doesn't look like he's in control of the reporting looked like he was in control of himself. It was is not a good showing for Robert Mueller. Who I think again is a good man? I have no evidence to the contrary but he didn't look like he was in control today and that was the widespread critique. Here's a mash up of Robert Muller repeatedly asking for questions to be repeated this clip eighteen. You could not publicly state that in your report or here today. Can you repeat the question Sir. Is it correct that if you had concluded gay and there's a lot of this over and over. Could you repeat the question. I can't hear what you're saying. Could you please repeat that Muller did not look as though he was on top of his game that foreshore and that was kind of the story that was kind of the story now the Democrats got a couple of talking points and the Republicans got some talking points so the democratic talking point was obvious president trump oversold the findings of the report in his own favor so president from going out there and saying I'm exonerated. I'm cleared and as I said at the time no you're not you're not exonerated. You are not cleared particularly when it came to obstruction maybe on collusion but not an obstruction and yet you're going out there and saying totally exonerated totally cleared that of course was never true. The wording of the report suggested it wasn't true so that was always going to be an easy spot for Democrats to hit and sure enough. They didn't fact hit that this clip twenty Robert Muller being asked if he exonerated did you president trump the president has repeatedly claimed that you report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him but that is not what you report said. Is it correct that is what the report said. The report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice. Is that correct that is correct and what about total exoneration. Did you actually totally exonerate the president know now in fact you reports expressly states that it does not exonerate the president it does okay so that was the talking point for the Democrats coming out of this urine but there's one problem which is that it wasn't his job to exonerate the president. He's a prosecutor was his job to determine whether there is a prosecutable offense and this became obvious and clip sixteen when representative Ratcliffe he said similar <hes> you know you say you didn't exonerate the president who said it's your job to exonerate the president. Can you think of another instance in which a prosecutor's job is to exonerate anybody body. Can you give me an example other than Donald Trump where the Justice Department determined that an investigative person was not exonerated because their innocence was not conclusively determined I cannot but this is unique. You can't time is short. I've got five minutes. Let's just leave it. You can't find it because I'll tell you why it doesn't exist. It was not the special counsel's job to conclusively Determine Donald Trump's innocence or to exonerate him because the bedrock principle of our justice system is a presumption assumption of innocence. It exists for everyone. Everyone is entitled to it. Including sitting presidents okay that of course is exactly right. That's exactly right and that's the takeaway from the Republicans so the takeaway from Democrats is he wasn't exonerated. Maybe out there there lurking somewhere like the X.. Files is the actual damning material and then John Ratcliffe from Texas there he says <hes> Dude. That's not your job. You don't exonerate people. You're not in the exoneration people business. That's four defense counsel during a prosecution. Your job is to determine whether there is evidence. Sufficient prosecute and muller basically admits yeah. I guess that's that's Kinda right. I guess that's one second we're going to get to the rest of Muller's lackluster performance. At best really was lacklustre. He opened his performance by suggesting for example that he could not speak about the the beginnings of the investigation. 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It's great legacybox dot com slash men get forty percents off your first order okay so two more of Muller's testimony so muller is is asked about whether he found evidence sufficient for culpability and the answer is no representative Collins asked him about this again. This does not cut against the president. Is it true the evidence China's gathered during your best did not establish that the president was involved in the underlying crime related to Russian election interference as stated in volume one page seven we found insufficient evidence of the president's president called culpability <hes> so that'll be a yes without on W.. Yes yes thank you okay so that not good for Democrats right insufficient culpability on the underlying crime of collusion and then he's asked okay so you you say that you didn't find conspiracy and then you say that you're unclear on collusion but in your own report it says that collusion and conspiracy are basically the same thing. Doug Collins is questioning from Georgia is very good right here and Muller stumbles over himself. Muller does not know his own report port. I mean that is very obvious. From this testimony. He keeps having refer back to his report. The members of Congress know his report better than he does and that's because his team probably wrote the report. What is clear now is that muller was not doing the vast majority of the work in compiling the report? It was his team which makes sense. I mean he had a big team of lawyers. He oversees that team of lawyers. He probably reads the final report and then gives his sign off on it but in no way is muller the expert on his own report and that is obvious because he keeps getting caught off guard when people ask him specific questions about his own report and again he started off this thing by saying that he was not going to comment on some of the most confusing aspects of the report such as for example why fusion G._P._S. is birth basically not mentioned I mean that was a an intelligence gathering group hired by Hillary Clinton's law firm in order to go get the steele dossier which was used as the basis for much of the investigation. How was that not within the F._B._I.'s purview? How about the beginning of the investigation he says well that was before my time and not within my purview well? The entire investigation was about Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election listen so wouldn't you want to know how the investigation was initiated considering that the Republicans have been accusing the investigation of being initiated off the basis of Russian interference in collusion basically with Hillary Clinton's campaign. She took a bunch of key issue off the table from the very beginning here's Doug Collins Forcing Muller to stumble on collusion and conspiracy and pointing out that when you say the are unclear on collusion but there's no conspiracy you really saying no collusion although you report states collusion is not so specific offense and you said that this morning or a term are in federal criminal laws conspiracy is in the colloquial taunted are collusion and conspiracy essentially synonymous terms. You'RE GONNA have to repeat that for me collusion is. Is Not a specific offence or a term of art in the Federal Criminal. Law Conspiracy is yeah and the colloquial context no public conduct collusion collusion and conspiracy are essentially synonymous terms correct no no so they're they're not synonymous terms and then collins goes on and he actually refers specifically specifically to a quote from the from the actual manifesto from there's four hundred and forty eight page report in which they equate collusion and conspiracy and Miller is forced to refer back to the report. I mean it was really really a bad thing for him. It just it it did not it did not pay off for Robert Mueller Orford Democrats at any point here. It was a very very bad day day for Democrats Muller was asked by Representative Collins. Here is a key takeaway representative com says to Miller was your investigation hindered at any point or curtailed that would be the question when it comes to obstruction. Did anybody do anything to your investigation and Miller says no no at any time with the investigation was your investigation controller curtailed or stop or hindered. No that would be the key takeaway now what Democrats are trying to latch onto. Is this suggestion action that in reality Muller wants trump prosecuted after trump leaves office and they're hanging that that coat on a very very slender hook okay and that is an exchange in which Robert Muller is specifically if president trump could be prosecuted after he leaves leaves office and this is the new clip and here is Muller's answer and I'll explain why Democrats are wrongly jumping on the answer. Could you charge the president with a Trimbe after he left office. Yes you believe that he committed you could charge the president nine states with obstruction of justice after he left office. Yes okay so that does not so Democrats are saying well. That's the key takeaway isn't it. I mean he could be charged. After he leaves office. Technically he can be charged after he leaves office. This does not answer the question as to whether he should be charged after he leaves office. I could be charged today. That doesn't answer the question as to whether I should be charged today as a matter of law of course the president can be charged after he leaves office for crimes committed while he is president of the United States however however that was not the question that was asked and had he been asked that question presumably he would not have answered the question properly again. The Democrats are really attempting to spend this into something that it is not because the answer is this has been a giant nothing burger and muller does not acquit himself well Muller said at the investigation did not establish from campaign conspiracy with Russia. He said that openly the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities and then muller basically said that's all I'm talking about. I'm talking about the stuff. That's in the report. I'm not GonNa talk about any of the other stuff that you guys want to know about two. He won't talk about Fusion G._P._S.. He he apparently doesn't know what fusion G._P._S. and this is an amazing moment. You're the head of the allegation because your name is Robert Muller and it's your investigation. You've never heard of fusion G._P._S.. Is there anybody who has been following this thing for two years who doesn't know what fusion G._p._S. and yet Muller Clip twenty two says to representative Chebet he says I don't know what fusion fusion G._P._S. it. You don't know what how I do. Everyone has been following this. Does I thought that you wrote the report dude. When you talk about the the firm that produced the steel reporting <hes> the name of the firm that produce that was fusion G._p._S. is correct? I'm not familiar with with that was it's not it's not a trick question. It was fusion G._p._S. now fusion G._P._S. produce. The opposition research document widened widely known as the steele dossier and the owner of Fusion G._P._S.. was someone named Glenn Simpson or are you familiar with outside my purview okay. Oh it's outside his purview view. Why why is it outside its purview again? The entire investigation was about Russian interference in the election. If Fusion G._P._S. was funneled Russian disinformation via Christopher Steele and that became part of the investigation. How exactly is that outside the purview of his investigation and it gets worse Miller says I can't answer any questions about the initial opening of the F._B._i.? Investigation really why wouldn't that be sort of important to determining for example how this whole thing came about and whether it was legit or not the Justice Department Department has asserted privileges concerning investigative information and decisions ongoing matters within the Justice Department and deliberations within our office. These are Justice Department privileges that I will respect act. The department has released letter discussing the restrictions on my testimony I therefore will not be able to answer questions about certain areas that I know are public interest for example. I am unable to address. Ask questions about the initial opening of the F._B._I.'s Russia investigation which occurred months before my appointment okay so in the end trainwreck train wreck and that gets followed up on all of this she said can you state with confidence. The steele dossier was not part of Russia's infant disinformation campaign and Miller says with regard to steal that's beyond my purview and maquette says its exactly your purview. The organizing principle was to fully investigate Russia's interference well. Yes yes yes what a mess what an absolute mess and it's not just conservatives who are saying so so Chris. Wallace is one of the more objective reporters on Fox News and he says correctly. He says this thing was a disaster for Democrats who was a disaster for molar. He looked terrible. It was awful frankly. I think you ball both been very kind. I think this has been a disaster for the Democrats and I think it's been a disaster for the reputation of Robert Muller <hes> he seemed very uncertain with his brief <hes> <hes> he doesn't know seem to know what things that are in the report. He's been attacked a number of times and you would think that almost anybody else would have defended his own integrity and the integrity of the investigation but that's not what happened so in the ends any of this matter no it doesn't so Democrats have been trying desperately to continue to push the Russia stuff desperately trying to push the obstruction stuff. It's just GonNa fall apart on them. It's absolutely going to fall apart on them and it should fall apart on them. It was a mistake for them to Komala Moas never going to give them what what they wanted. The best that he was going to do is repeat some of the more incendiary reports from the report but everybody had that out there Democrats can cut ads on that stuff anytime or give speeches on it at any time muller appeared confused it appeared as though he wasn't in control of his own team. He didn't know his own report. It basically looked like when you're parrot wrote your book report for you in third grade and you went in there and your teacher was like so tell us what happened in Bridge to Tabby Thea. You're like <hes> what because because your parents read it. That's what it felt like Robert Muller. Can you repeat the question bad bad showing Robert Muller and we're showing Democrats who thought that this is going to be the moment finally the moment when president trump went down not the case giant fail giant now. The testimony is going to continue to be a news story but I don't think that this is actually going to be news. I don't think anyone cares about this. Frankly I think that this was over the moment that the report came out and there is no recommendation prosecution. There's there's no place for Democrats to go from there. Democrats want to impeach on this basis. I don't think the American people are for. I don't think that the polls show that the American people are for it and bringing Robert Mueller up. They're hoping that he was going to open some other can of worms or point to the shadowy man in the back and say deep throat serious. It never happened. It wasn't going to happen so end of story but we'll be the end of what will what will C._N._N.. Do for the next two years that really is the question a meanwhile the media have another purview they have another agenda and their agenda is they must at any cost defend L. Hanno Mar so president trump has decided he's going to go to war with L.. Hilmar that's going to be twenty twenty campaign. L. Hunt Omar versus president trump and that's pretty smart because the fact is that Ilhan Omar is not popular. The more people see her. The less popular she is that is not because she is black that is not because she she is a woman that has not because she has Muslim. It's because terrible is because she says routinely anti Semitic things it's because she says things like some people did something on nine eleven. It's because her sneering tone of voice when she describes the United States is extraordinarily off-putting because she treats I mean she literally said legislative bodies in the United States are more interested in treating dogs decently than humans she. There's a reason folks are not real fond of Ilhan. Omar President Trump has decided. He's going to make her his Bayton. You're in all of this. Are you speaking at turning point U._S._A.. Great Organization and here is president trump making this point and she's just screaming and this was this is not a sane person folks when you look at that and this is what we're up against you have some of that now your other friend from an incredible state a state that I'm GonNa Win Minnesota. You know that you know why I'm GonNa win the state because of her. I almost wanted last time. We came with just about a point. That's a very because Minnesota's a very hard one for Republican new and we almost wanted one more. I wanted to go there one more time. I said I'm telling you we'RE GONNA win. Minnesota okay so trump is is really leaning being heavily into the Ilhan Omar of all this and again that makes sense when I say that she's an anti Semite is because she's an anti Semite Sh- accused Israel of quote unquote hypnotized in the world which is not an accusation of Israeli policy being bad. It's an accusation that the Jewish state eight is hypnotized in the world. She suggested that American support for Israel is quote unquote all about the benjamins she accused everybody who supports Israel of having dual loyalty to the state of Israel and she's back the Anti Semitic E._D._S. movement. So what are the media doing. They're out there enforced defending Anamar in one. One of the great gas lighting articles I've ever seen there's a buzzfeed contributor name. Chase Madore who wrote a piece called Ilhan Omar's anti-semitism is becoming a load bearing myth for the America for American politics just like hippy spitting on Vietnam vets or welfare Queens Sipping Champagne Omar's Omar's anti-semitism has become a structural support beam American politics and then he says well she never actually said anything those anti Semitic really so then why did she apologize under pressure from Nancy Pelosi and other top members of the House caucus just a couple of months ago for her antisemitic remarks and then like two later. She went right back to the Anti Semitism. Why was her first move? Since national prominence hit her again. Why was her first moved sponsor a resolution comparing Israel to the Nazis from nineteen thirty three to nineteen forty one? She's not an anti Semite though according to the press this is all everything according to the press everything trump says is wrong so even when he says something right they treated as though it is wrong are indubitably wonderful fact checkers decent people in the media. Don't worry they're here just to tell you the truth. Defending Ilhan Omer we'll get to more of that in just one second and why this actually is really bad for Democrats why they'd be better off cutting her loose and recognizing her for what she is. They're making a large scale mistake but I this month marks the fiftieth anniversary since we first put a man on the moon. There's an exciting mm-hmm you podcast by Esoteric Radio Theatre. It's called Apollo eleven what we saw it immediately rocketed to number three on itunes apple podcasts at state in the top ten for a week and it's getting rave reviews from everybody who listens to it in his fantastic. 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They've accelerated that problem. Since president trump became president so buzzfeed has an entire article today about how Ilhan Omar's anti-semitism is a myth. It's a myth okay. There's a columnist who says the rabidly Anti Semitic comments that Omar never made along with the equally fictitious Jew hatred of her allies in the so-called squad quad has swiftly become a load bearing in politics really it's a myth okay so Rashida to leave associated with a Bevy of anti-semites inviting in open anti-semites to give her a painting at her inauguration Ilhan Omar hanging out with Linda Sarsour Rabid anti-semite a._O._C. Doing the same thing all of them hang out with Jeremy Corbyn the first resolution that Ilhan Omar sponsors being resolution that compares Israel to the Nazi Party and then Rashid. It's getting up on the floor of the House and doing the same thing. It's all a breath it's all in your head guys. Either this buzzfeed columnists fell and hit his head and ended up in an alternative reality like sliding doors or we all did because I'm living in the reality where she to lead yesterday said this on the House floor so I can't stand by and watch this attack on our freedom of speech and the right to boycott the racist policies of the government and the state of Israel Americans of conscience have long and proud history of participating in boycott's specifically to advocate for human rights abroad Americans boycotted Nazi Germany in response to dehumanisation imprisonment and genocide of Jewish people okay and the media are out defending this inforce today Dana millbank columnist over at the Washington Post has has a piece called Ilhan Omar quintessentially American quintessentially not just US American true. She's an immigrant to the United States who is legal and has her citizenship. She is American quintessentially American like the most most American the most American why she the most American well sure she says stuff on routine basis. That's gross sure she does but I mean but but really in the end isn't she more American than from this is Dana Millbank case he says Omar remains lanes ill-defined beyond the monstrous caricature. The president has made of her with his racist slander okay. It's not a monstrous caricature to point out that she has gone easy on terrorists she did he. She wrote a letter in support of people attempting to join isis to a judge in which she suggested adjusted that those are people who are just angry because of their socio economic status that they should be let off the hook because they are just pursuing change by other means. She says that in her letter she is in fact an anti Semite she has not made any secret of this Minnesota Democrats. It's in her own district have said that for years. She's been saying this sort of stuff but it's a monstrous character. She's one of four non white congresswomen. The squad who trump proposes should go back to the countries from which they came even though three were born in the United States by the way little little side note both proceeded to leave Lebron Nomar have told people to go back where they came from in the past few years on twitter. There's going to point that out as not justify what the President says but let's just say that these women have not been shy in their own rhetoric about people they retreated to leave in two thousand fifteen told trump that he should be deported and so before everybody starts going off on like no one who is rational would say this sort of thing I agree it is not a rational thing to say Rasheeda to lead and president rally. It's funny that the media just dismiss it when it comes from Hershey to leave when from says it of course then we have to take it super super duper seriously but retreated to leave is the greatest and most innocent than wise among us same thing with Ilhan Omar Dana millbank says Omar who emigrated from Somalia as a child was the target of the centre-back chance at trump's rally last week which we on the show condemned in very harsh terms and of trump's unsubstantiated suggest suggestion that she wants married her own brother. Well not totally unsubstantiated. The Minneapolis Star Tribune has been investigating that and there's fairly good evidence that she committed some sort of immigration fraud with this dude. She certainly committed marital fraud when she filed other tax returns minutes before Omar took the stage Tuesday at the Muslim caucus education collective conference in Washington trump tweeted about America hating anti-summit representative Omar who along with the others in the squad is a nightmare for America for trump's racist base Omar has it all black female Muslim immigrant yeah that that's what it is. That's that's surely what it is because that same base by the way despises Nancy Pelosi but Dana millbank says Omar he admits this is the part where they admit well well. You know she's not chase men of a few problems but in the end isn't she more or American than you. Dan has previously hurt her 'cause when her criticism of Israel crossed into anti-semitism displaying the same sort of prejudice that is often directed at Muslims. I even love the phraseology there right at the real problem with what Ilhan Omar said about Jews. Is that really mimics what people I will say about Muslims not that it's bad in and of itself but that you know just as people say this stuff about Muslim some she she can she slipped into it slipped a grip banana peel right into anti-semitism. She may revert again says Dana Millbank but the woman I saw Tuesday represented American values far better than the big demagogue whose made her his Bete Noire really she may revert again. I love that. Can you imagine that in any other context sure he just slipped trip right into racism. He may revert again but isn't he super duper American isn't he the most American actually the media out in full force to defend Illinois by the way the Democrats are not out in full force defending Ilhan Omar so Ilhan Omar sponsors this resolution that would cut in support of boycott divest and sanctions from Israel one month ago. Nancy Pelosi spoke at APEC called that exact policy anti Semitic one month ago not a word from Nancy Pelosi. She's still not been asked about it but presumably for seeing that she might be asked about it. Nancy Pelosi then sponsored an anti media resolution <music> on the House floor and the <unk> BS resolution basically said D._D._S. is a bad idea. It was non binding resolution that opposes the boycott movement against Israel a measure the one broad bipartisan support but faced pushback from some high profile progressives. Let me note here. Let me note here the headline from C._N._N.. Eh So house approves resolution opposing Israel Boycott Movement in divisive vote. Can you imagine any other vote that goes three ninety eight to seventeen that is called divisive any other wrote that is what we call nearly unanimous so we're talking about like two hundred something to two hundred something. That's not what we're talking about here. We're not even talking about two thirty to one ninety eight or some. We're talking about three ninety eight to seventeen and C._N._N.. Calls divisive wiser divisive because members of the squad were on the. Outside of the seventeen the resolution was introduced in March not long after Democrats faced a bruising internal debate over how to handle comments in tweets by Representative Ilhan Omar that were criticized as being anti Semitic notice again how you characterize this so no had Omar says something the Anti Semitic it's that they were criticized as being anti Semitic but when trump says something that is criticized as being racist they just say racist straight out right in the headline so it's always Ilhan Omar controversial figure Donald Trump racist where they cover the stuff is wildly inconsistence of course the resolution supports. A two-state solution argues that be the movement is an effort to de-legitimize Israel which is true of course and urges Israelis and Palestinians to return to direct negotiations Omar as well as Rashida to leave have been an openly supportive of the B._B._S. movement and critical of the resolution EO see also voted against the resolution by the way is quote on this astonishingly bad so A._N._C. was asked about why she voted against a resolution to condemn beady C._B._S.. And her answer is wild. She actually suggested that the reason that you shouldn't oppose E._D._S. is because if you oppose E._D._S. it might force people into violence so you should you should support soft anti-semitism awesome softer anti-semitism because otherwise you might lead to violent anti-semitism. Can you imagine her saying that any other context no should really like be okay with white supremacist rhetoric because you never know they might turn into terrorists so better that they should and just talk about it then be terrorists. It's this is all insane. It's all insane and of course it's very bad for the Democratic Party guys well-done everybody in meanwhile in other big news the Justice Department is now looking at going after big tech according to Brent Kendall over at the Wall Street Journal the Justice Department is opening abroad antitrust review into whether dominant technology firms are unlawfully stifling competition adding a new Washington threat for companies such as facebook Google Amazon and apple the review is geared toward examining the practices of online platforms that dominate Internet search social media and retail services. The Department said confirming the review shortly after the Wall Street Journal reported the new antitrust inquiry under A._G.. Bar could ratchet up the already considerable regulatory pressures facing the top U._S. Tech firms now as I've said before I am not in favor of regulating big tech almost they've actually violated the law but the big problem for big tech is that they've been utterly non transparent in many cases to what they are doing. This is particularly true of the social media platforms basically people see data points and then they assume that the data points are representative of broader trends inside these various companies and this leads them to be angry and feel like they are out of control and feel like they were lied to because for example if you use Google and you Google is going to provide you with some sort out of unbiased result and then it turns out the behind the scenes Google's manipulating the algorithm and not making clear to you what exactly they're doing then it makes you feel like you are being taken. Advantage of and lack of transparency also doesn't really allow for this sort of competition that you'd want because suspicion alone is really early not a great basis to form a company like if Google to just say listen you want your left leaning search results come to us then people would start going to duck duck duck. Oh and they would actually get less biased results. Same thing is true with facebook and so I've met with some of these tech leaders and I've said to them you want not to be regulated. I'm not in favor of regulation. I think putting the government in charge of stuff it's a really bad idea but the drive for this is stemming directly from your lack of transparency and you need to be transparent with the American people and you have not been transparent on everything from privacy advocacy to how you make decisions on who gets band and who gets the monetize and if you're not going to be transparent people are going to take their suspicions and they are going to suggest that that actually is is the governing fact now using antitrust go after these companies seems to me a massive mistake the reason being particularly with Amazon for example. What exactly did Amazon do wrong that they violated antitrust so there are two models of antitrust and they're in conflict model? One of antitrust law was sort early pre Robert Bork model so Robert Bork wrote a very famous book called the antitrust paradox. The antitrust paradox posited that antitrust laws were designed for consumer benefit that the reason he break up company is because the company is anti-competitive and is harming consumer so for example example you have two companies and they would be in competition with one another lowering price but they decided to make a regional a regional split and you take the western United States and we take the eastern United States and we will collude to keep prices up right that would be anti-competitive and thus would be subject to antitrust trust in the Robert Bork view however you have one company that is providing you with wonderful services and that the services are really good and there are no competitors because it's just a good business and it's efficient bork would say that's not an antitrust problem. The other model is that any company that is big should be broken up and I fear that model because it's completely subjective. What exactly is too big? What does she look like? How do you decide that? Walmart shouldn't be broken up but Amazon should how do you decide that big firms that you like should not be broken up a big firms that you don't should not be broken. Broken up is look at a dollar cut off or market percentage cut off. How do you decide if a company decides to purchase vertically integrate its own business? Is this monopolistic now just because they wanted to save money by not having to outsource their labor most companies at some point. We'll do some sort of vertical integration with a with an independent company that they were doing business with so for example we hear daily wire bought a marketing firm that we were doing business with why because it was cheaper for us to by the marketing firm than it was for us simply outsource to marketing firm that doesn't violate antitrust that is growing business in the most efficient way and a lot of places do this sort of stuff the problem with the model that is being used to go after a lot of these companies is is it's extraordinarily vague. You have to find the wrongdoing before you started using antitrust so to take an example of the vagueness Andrew Ross Sorkin over on C._N._B._C. is interviewing Steve Mnuchin. The Treasury Secretary and Mnuchin is talking about Amazon and here's what he has to say Justice said yesterday that they're going to look into some of the big tech companies that were at the the White House yesterday in fact and consider the antitrust issues that are involved. Do you believe <hes> that they <hes> they. They're hurting competition I think is you know if you look at Amazon. <hes> although there you know there are certain benefits benefits to it. They've destroyed the retail industry across the United States so there's no question they've limited competition. There's areas where they've really hurt small businesses so I don't think this is a one-size-fits-all and <hes> I I don't know I don't have an opinion going in other than I think. It's absolutely right that the attorney general is looking into these issues. You think I'm a little bit off base when I say that the government should be in charge of these issues that is the Vegas stupidest standard I've ever heard of course Amazon was on his hurt the retail industry wide because you're getting products cheaper delivered directly to your door via Amazon than you would. If you went out to the retail store that's not Amazon's fault. That's because brick and mortar installations have been on the downturn for approximately a decade and a half and that's because there's a thing called the Internet a- and shipping that's not Amazon unfairly restraining business. That's ridiculous and you think I wanNA put the F._T._C. in charge of facebook policing content neutrality what happens when Kamala Harris is president and then appoints the majority of the F._T._C. and and she decides that neutrality means that you have to get rid of voices she doesn't like by the way that something left is perfectly fine with doing folks on the left suggests that neutrality does not mean that the right should be allowed on the platform. They believe that neutrality means only fact should be spoken in when they say a fact what they mean is leftist perspective. This is an agenda that is pushed by an enormous number of people on the left where they say well. We don't want fake balance. We actually want is just the truth and the truth is the world is how how we see it. This is why push back against a lot of the push from the right that we should regulate facebook but as I say to these companies you want the right to rally around a sort of libertarian principle that you should be left alone. You need to be transparent. You need to tell us what you are doing. That doesn't mean you have to give away proprietary algorithms. It does mean we need to know the input we need to know what are the factors. You're using to decide whether or not to downgrade news when you say what at facebook for example that we need trusted sources. How are you deciding what a trusted source looks like is that decided by the same people who C._N._N.? In The New York Times because is then you're taking the endemic mistrust of the media and you're filtering it up to facebook. We didn't trust the and enter the New York Times. Now you're calling them trusted sources and benefiting them. What do you think we are going to think of you? Do we feel like that is restraint of trade in the sense that you're downplaying playing particular companies without actually telling them that's happening and there are no rivals in the market leaves the door open more transparency from big tech is the solution to this government pressure for more transparency voluntary transparency seems good these these sort of arbitrary nature of antitrust law being used to target businesses that are not liked on one side of the political or another. I think it's a huge huge huge mistake. Wait till Elizabeth. Warren is in charge guys and then you'll see how much you enjoy this routine. Okay time for some things that I like so do things that I like today. There is a series that I was unaware of Collegian. It is based on comic book series <hes> and it starts the dude from Downton Abbey. I can never remember his name Dan. Something's Dan Stevens and the series is really quirky and really weird food and it's also pretty compelling. It's about a superhero whose Tele Path but he thinks that he's a paranoid schizophrenic and so it's shot in this really weird jolt easy bizarre style. It's Kinda fascinating. It's pretty psychedelic. Here's a little obey the preview of Legion just tell me what happened next look. It's fuzzy you win if you medication. We're just looking for the truth which comes to tell told you took her. The girl who disappeared. They disappear he took my place occurs. Show is really weird and really quirky and white bizarre so you can check it out. It's it's kind of fun. Okay other things that I like today so today is the day today is the day in which all secrets are revealed. We learned earlier today. That Robert Mueller basically had nothing he suggested at one point during his testimony that he did not indict trump because of the oil C- opinion that you can't indict a sitting president but then he also suggested that principles of fairness the principles of fairness were involved in other words. There are no real big talking points for the Democrats coming out of that hearing Muller had nothing right Muller did not have the goods on president trump. The Democrats were hoping that he would spill the goods president trump that all fell apart for them so there was a day of that secret revealed it is also a day in which the story of State Representative Erica Thomas completely comes apart so you'll recall state representative Eric Thomas of Georgia just a few days ago she claimed over the weekend that she was at Publix grocery store and she was in the checkout line and choosing the express checkout line with fifteen to twenty items and a man said to her Ma'am you are in the express checkout line and you have too many items and she apparently the dude started screaming at him at which point he called her lazy and then she claims that he told her to go back where she came from deliberately evoking the words of president trump with regard to the squad and deliberately evoking the chance of the crowd with regard to Ilhan Omar and that was the that was the pitch the pitch for the story was that Trumpian Racism and xenophobia is broadly crossing the country and here's an example of it hitting somebody in there every l. if she's just a innocent woman at the grocery store and it's evil white Republican comes up and starts quoting trumpet her while wearing a mega hat and carrying a subway sandwich or something okay and then it turns out not so much the guy who she confronted anted who confronted her was apparently Cuban Democrat not only that he fully did she ever said that and then she came out and said <hes> yeah he might not said go back where you came from. I might have just sort of made that up. We'll now. There's witness testimony as to what exactly happened. In this case is according to the Atlanta Journal constitution quote a witness to a heated grocery store encounter between state Rep Eric Thomas and a man she accused of uttering racist comments told authorities she didn't hear make those remarks according to a Cobb county police report a public employee told the Cobb county officer that she witnessed part of the conversation and her Thomas Continually Tell Eric sparks you quote go back where you came from but did not hear sparks utter those words to Thomas So in other words. It sounds like she completely made this up and not only did she make up. She's the one who said this to the guy so she claims this white man came and said go back where you came from and she's weeping in the video. She's crying because how could this sort of racism bigotry exist in America and then was like I actually really lady you said that to him so you've got this right but like not at all the photo negative sparks admitted calling the Democrat and expletive during the running saying he was upset. She was at an express island the grocery store with too many items but he said he didn't tell go back where she came from Thomas Attorney Gerald Griggs said the officers report shows the case needs additional investigation a ha- because the employees and another witness who also said he didn't hear sparks use the phrase quote didn't hear the initial argument. He said he's interviewed three other customers summers who heard the exchange authorities said they don't intend to file criminal charges in the case right because not criminal even if he said that that's not criminal this is still the United States. We don't prosecute people for saying mean things to one another the back and forth has led to new scrutiny says the J._C.. The Atlanta Journal Constitution that mirrors the nation's political divide some conservatives Thomas's version of Justice Millette. I mean so far that sort of the evidence isn't it so the all this has fallen apart for her. It is a day of secrets revealed it turns out that she apparently said exactly the according to witness testimony that she claims that the bad guy said sparks made a statement on Tuesday. He said he wasn't surprised. The COBB authorities decided not to file charges. He said the police report port speaks for itself. He says everyone that knows me knows. I'm anti anti-big anti-racism sadly too much of media isn't fact checking items or they're just taking the word of a politician when you alive facebook or twitter post correct okay so that is a story of the day when it comes to secrets secrets being revealed other secrets being revealed according to Amanda Prestigiacomo over a daily wire dot com Senator Bernie Sanders is twenty twenty presidential campaign has been hit with an unfair labor practice complaint according to the National Labor Relations Board it turns out that he's a vicious brutal capitalist turns out that Bernie Sanders as I've said before marks in the streets high in the sheets baby that guy is that guy is ready to crack down on his labor force when he needs more work from them for the same pay. The complaint was filed on July nineteenth <unk> by an individual in Indiana who claims that the sanders campaign took part in illegal employees interrogation and retaliation against staffers according to Bloomberg Law a copy of the Char has not yet been made public charges not yet been made public but the agency's July why twenty-second docket lists five potential violations of the National Labor Relations Act here are the five allegations one concerted activities retaliation discharge discharge discipline repudiation mediation of contract and interrogation including polling calling the complaint is just more embarrassing news for the self identify democratic socialist over the weekend of course Bernie Sanders had to cut staffers hours to accommodate his routinely advocated fifteen dollar minimum wage also scolded someone his campaign for going to the press to discuss the internal negotiations negotiations pretty awesome stuff so the National Labor Relations Board is going to now be investigating Bernie Sanders because all justice shelby done so good times good times. I'm <hes> I'm pleased to see that. Bernie misunders is learning that his own employees may not in fact be the best employees in the Bernie Sanders has been relegated to now treating them in vicious capitalist terrible terrible ways. I will say it would not surprise me at all if it turns out that one of these staffers is just basically a member of another campaign in disguise in this attempt to take down Sanders. I think that's a possibility okay time for a quick thing that I hate at the same time that Democrats mkx rats like Bernie Sanders are being hit with relations National Labor Relations Board charges at the same time. The Democrats are being hit with that bill. De Blasio is pitching a new bill of rights for employees that would outlaw firing them. Here's bill de Blasio with crazy plans as he strangles groundhog under the table giant Weird Bill de Blasio unpopular in his own town now campaigning for president on the basis of being Weirdo here he is my proposals really clear and it's I call the bill of Rights on purpose because it's not just enough to give lip service to work in people we need to enshrine these rights so for example right now in America folks can get fired for no cause whatsoever. <hes> this legislation. I'm proposing I would enact as president is there has to be just caused for termination. There has to be due process right now in America. There's no guarantee of time off no matter how much you work every other industrialized country in the world guarantees paid vacation days but this one my proposals minimum two weeks paid vacation for every American worker. We're going to put that into law in New York this year okay so you are going to have a right to a voice on the job so apparently you can you can completely humiliate your employer and say whatever you want in the workplace which is going to work until somebody says something conservative at which point they're fired. There will be a right to paid time off which again is a right against an employer that you bargained with to take the job but if you don't WanNa take the paid time off or what if the employer can't hire as many people specifically because now yes to pay you to take vacation but most of all the idea that employer is supposed to tell the government why they're firing an employee. You want to come up the labor market you WANNA make it's that people are less likely to hire people. They find risky. This is the way to do it. Really the predictable result of this is that people are less likely to hire the marginal employee. You're only going to hire the employees that you think is guaranteed to do the job so the people who are going to be hurt hardest by this the hurt the most are people who have a bad record of employment people who probably I guess just based on Statistics Knicks are minorities because if you hire somebody who's minority and then they claim that you're firing them because of racism and you say well No. I'm just firing you because you're a bad employee. It's a lot harder to do that. Then presumably then presumably if you hire white employees and you fire him because he's doing a yeah job it's hard for them to claim racism their predictable effects to all of this but Democrats don't care about predictable effects. All they care about is the virtue signaling of claiming that employers are evil and employees are wonderful all of which is sometimes ru and is mostly not true mostly it turns out that employers and employees are fairly good people overall and that when people get fired very often it's because they're not doing the job or because there's a conflict trying to police. This stuff on. The government level is pretty tyrannical but I guess build the Blasios used to that okay. We'll be back here later for or two additional hours of content more on the ongoing Muller Saga will be back then see then. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show the Ben Shapiro show is produced by Robert Stirling directed Mike joyner executive producer Jeremy Boring senior producer Jonathan. Hey our supervising producer is mathis glover and our technical producer is Austin Stevens edited by Adam Sigh of its audio is mixed by Mike Coral Meena hair and makeup is by just over era production assistant Nik Sheehan. 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Robert Mueller, Reluctant Witness

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Robert Mueller, Reluctant Witness

"It's an edge of your seat. Thrill ride that will change overseas forever. The Movies Sundays Nine PM on C._N._N.. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses visits any today at Xeni Dot dot com slash C._N._N.. Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the C._N._N.. Political Director and this is the daily D._C.. Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast the reluctant witness that is clearly what former special counsel Bob Muller was today when he testified on Capitol Hill before I the House Judiciary Committee on the subject of obstruction of justice and then secondly when he was testifying before the House Intelligence Committee on the issue of Russian interference in the election and if you heard a lot of Democrats in advance of the hearing say looking for the opportunity for Bob Mueller to come and give life to his written words that so few Americans Americans have actually read the Mullahs report that even if he was sticking to the confines of the report and the four corners of the report which he was determined to do and made that clear the just hidden giving voice to some of his findings could be a game changer for the American public in how they perceive the overall investigation and where the findings came down now remember this investigation was successfully politicized by president trump and his team a you know a year and a half ago they went out with the strategy of full out political warfare and successfully I think used used the polarization of our modern day politics and applied it to this very serious and important investigation about a foreign adversary tampering with interfering with the most precious of our small d democratic traditions free and fair elections that is the whole thing that is underneath all of this and and it to no matter how important that is no matter the national security concern about it happening again it fell into very partisan. Listen polarized lines instantly so if you're a Republican and you supported the president you saw this as an unjust investigation and you probably still do today if you were a Democrat and you are opposed to president trump you saw this as it's a very important investigation that would lead to ousting the president in having him impeached. You are probably not broken from either of those camps today but that doesn't mean that each side didn't walk away way with something here. My question is what did the American people walk away with overall with what they saw. I think they clearly saw a performance. Just that's the theater of it all by Muller that was unsteady at times teams and certainly thoroughly reluctant to expound on anything he did not want to read from the report that was clear he was going to have the members read from the port and then just confirmed things so he was unwilling to join in that exercise of giving life to the report as my colleague Laura Coats said on the air after the hearings were over in her now. She said you know this may be one of those examples where the book is actually better than the movie for a lot of readers out there. I'm sure there are many examples of that in your life for me a big movie addict Ah you know the movie usually does a more compelling than the book but but you get the point that that Mullah really didn't join in that effort to breathe life into what he and his team found and therefore he may not have been the star witness that Democrats. Democrats were hoping for he may not have moved the needle if you were pro impeachment Democrat. I don't know that Bob Mueller delivered a testimony performance today that is going to swell your numbers. Although I think by C._N._N.'s count to additional Democrats did go from previously not publicly supporting impeachment to now doing so I think our tally is up to ninety four House Democrats now in favor of impeachment but I want you to hear some chunks of what happened here because in addition to his performance the Democrats did get a headline that they went in trying to get which is president trump has repeatedly said and did so a gay did today in a campaign campaign fundraising email no collusion no obstruction total and complete exoneration Bob Muller made very clear today in the earliest questioning by the House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler that that was not the case okay so I want you to hear Chairman Nadler with Bob Mueller out of the gate. He may have been Nadler the most effective democratic questioner of the entire day across the two hearings and it was this exchange that many Democrats you'll hear tout tonight and in the days ahead that we're Bob Muller supported the notion and push back on the notion that would donald trump says this report says it does not say here's the exchange director mother. The president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him but that is not what your report said. Is it correct that is not what the report said and reading from page a two volume two of your report. That's on the screen you wrote quote if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice we would so state based on the facts and the applicable legal standards however we are unable to reach that judgment close quote now does that say there was no obstruction no in fact you were actually unable to conclude the president did not commit obstruction of justice. Is that correct well we at the outset determined we came to the the president's culpability we needed to uh we needed to go forward only after taking into account the L._l._C. opinion that indicated that a president sitting president cannot be indicted so the report did not conclude that he he did not commit obstruction of justice. Is that correct that is correct and what about total exoneration. Did you actually totally exonerate the president know now in terms of the unsteadiness that I'm describing of Muller's performance that that was probably more the case earlier on the day. You'll notice a lot of the sound that I'm playing for you. In this podcast is from the judiciary committee side of things it was the longer hearing and it's the one more focused where I think the political battle has been more around this notion of obstruction of justice because that is where muller did not bring any charges obviously but also did not exonerate the president in any way and said that if he could he would have done so so that's sort of where as you know since the Miller report his come out the whole political battle has been but but in terms of the unsteadiness the performance I thought this back and forth with the ranking member Congressman Collins Pressing Miller on this notion of collusion a word used in the press and by colloquially. Really by a lot of people versus conspiracy which is actually the legal term that muller found not sufficient evidence to bring charges for <hes> in this case obviously muller seemed a bit confused at one point as to what Collins was trying to get up but it was it was a telling exchange for how Muller was handling. Some of the more heated adversarial questioning from the Republicans. Here is Congressman Collins Although your report states collusion is not so uh specific advance and you've said that this morning or a term of art in federal criminal laws conspiracy is in the colloquial contexts are collusion and conspiracy essentially synonymous terms. You'RE GONNA have to repeat that for me. Collusion is not a specific offence or a term of art in the Federal Criminal Law conspiracy is yes and the colloquial context known public contents collusion collusion and conspiracy spiracy are essentially synonymous terms correct now. If no one page one eighty volume one of your report you wrote as defined in legal dictionaries collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as that crime is set forth in general federal conspiracy the Statute Eighteen U._S._C. Three seventy one and he said at your May Twenty Ninth Press Conference and here today you choose your words carefully. Are you sitting here today. Testifying something different than what your report states well what I'm asking is if you can give me the citation I can look the citation and evaluate whether is let me just clarify you cited that you stay within report. I just stated your report back to you and you said that collusion collusion and conspiracy were not synonymous terms that was your answer was no in that page one eighty volume one of your report. It says as defining legal dictionaries collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as at crime is set forth in general conspiracy Statute Eighteen U._S._A.. Three seventy many one now you said you chose your words carefully. Are you contradicting your report right now now when I read it so you change your answer to yes then the if you look at the language I'm reading your airports. Are It's a yes or no answer H.. One eighty page one eighty volume one this was from your report wreck and I leave it with the report and in what may be or was for a few for for a couple of hours one of the more dramatic moments I I just wanted to hear this whole notion of O.. L. C. The office of Legal Counsel it at the Department of Justice. This is the now famous memo and guidelines the oil see guidance here that you cannot indict a sitting president that that is not something you can do and if you recall and if you don't recall you're about to recall because I'm going to read it to you but back on April eighteenth when the mullahs reporters least East Attorney General Bar held a press conference at the Department of Justice and I'm going to read you one quote from what he said there. This was an answer to a reporter's question quote we specifically asked him referring to Bob Muller about the O. L. C. Opinion and and whether or not he was taking a position that he would have found a crime but for the existence of the O. L. C. Opinion and he made it very clear several times that that was not his position he he was not saying that but for the O. L. C. opinion he would have found a crime he made it clear that he had not made the determination that there was a crime so that's how bar put it in trying. Trying to diminish the impact of the O. L. C. Opinion on Muller's decision making now listen to how Moeller described it in his may twenty ninth press statement. I'm going to read this again. I'm GonNa read you this quote promoter quote. It explains that under longstanding department policy. This is what the L._L._C. opinion is. A president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he he is in office that is unconstitutional even if the charges kept under seal a hidden from public view that too is prohibited a special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation and it was bound by that department policy charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider now. Everyone is has been focused on this notion of so is he saying he would charge a crime. If it weren't for the oil seep in no he actually has not been saying that all along Bob Muller but he's also not portraying what Bob Barr was portraying that who only is trying to say that if it wasn't for the O._C.. Opinion he would have found a crime. There's a different middle ground here which is that if it weren't for the O. L. C. Opinion Bob Muller may have made a different determination other than the one he made which was not to make a determination that is that seems to be lost here it's not about Oh if there wasn't the C._O.. L. C. opinion he would have indicted the president. He doesn't say that anywhere except for a moment today to Ted lieu we'll get to that in a moment but what about if it weren't for the O. L. C. Opinion. Would you have felt you would come to a different conclusion about not even heading down the road to make a determination about whether or not there was <music> a criminal offence obstruction of justice at play that to me gets lost in this whole conversation about the import of that oil see opinion which Muller clearly states was extraordinarily important to his thinking and bars. I trying to say well that really wasn't the deciding factor for him about not charging a crime but again it was the decisive factor if you listen to Muller about not even heading down that road of thinking about coming to some determination about charge or no charge in that matter and as you know he didn't exonerate the president you heard him till Chairman Adler that so here I'm waiting to hear I ted lieu from California Democrat then you're GonNa hear from Debbie Lesko <hes> a Republican in from Arizona kind of rebut but this was the back and forth today in the second half of the Judiciary Committee hearing and for a moment it seemed that Bob Muller had answered this question differently. It seemed that Bob Muller was in a totally a different place than what he was portraying at his press statement on May twenty ninth or even what Attorney General Bar was trying to portray back on April eighteenth so I want you to hear lose question and Muller's answer and then the exchange with Congresswoman Debbie Lesko from Arizona recap what we've heard we have heard today that the president ordered former White House counsel Dahmer Gant to Fire You President Order Don mcgann then cover that Uthman create a false paper trail and now we've heard the president ordered Corey Lewandowski to tell Jeff sessions to limit your investigation that he you stop investigating the president. I believe you're reasonable. Person Looking at these facts could conclude. Blue all three elements of the crime of justice have met and I like to ask you the reason again that you did not indict. Donald trump is because of oil see opinion stating that you cannot indict sitting president correct that is correct just recently Mr Muller. You said Mr Liu was asking you questions and Mr Lewis Question. I quote the reason you didn't indict. The president is because of the O.. L. C. Opinion and you you answered that is correct but that is not what you said in the report and it's not what you told Attorney General Bar and in fact in a joint statement that you released with D._O._J.. On May twenty nine after your press conference your offered your office issued a joint statement with the Department of Justice that said the Attorney General has previously stated that the special counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying that but for the opinion he would have found the president obstructed justice. The special counsel was report in his statement today made clear that the office concluded it would not reach a determination one way or the other whether the president in committed a crime. There is no conflict between these statements so Mr Miller do you stand by your Joint Statement With D._O._J.. They issued on May twenty ninth as you sit here. Today I would have to look at it more closely before said uh well so I you know my conclusion. Is that what you told Mr Liu really contradicts what you said in the report and specifically what you said apparently apparently repeatedly to attorney general bar that and then you issued a Joint Statement on May twenty ninth saying that the Attorney General is previously stated that the special counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying but for the all report that we would have found the president of sector justice so I just say there's a conflict and then <hes> once you heard that so Bob Muller said yes that's correct to the question of Ted Lieu that you did not indict donald trump because of the old see opinion stating you cannot edyta sitting president correct. He said correct he then of course walked that back later in the afternoon which I think is what congresswoman Lesko was trying to get him to do in the moment but here's Bob Muller at the very end of his opening opening statement before the House Intel Committee the second of the two hearings clearly there was a lunch break he had learned of what he said and how he answered lose question and he wanted to correct the record. Here is former special counsel Bob Muller now before we go to questions WANNA add one correction to my testimony. This morning wanted to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr Liu who said and I quote you didn't charge the president because of the opinion that is not the correct way to say it as we say in the report and I said at the opening we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed a crime without Mr Chairman right answer questions the other piece of this this about the decision not to prosecute or not even a head down the road of making a determination that Republicans were seizing on today. Is this notion of if you're not going to prosecute do you as a prosecutor lay out the case if there is no trial for someone to exonerate themselves and you know president trump on the south lawn today feeling a little celebratory said it wasn't in Muller's purview to to exonerate him that. That wasn't his job. He didn't have the ability to exonerate him. Congressman Russian follower of Pennsylvania really pushed muller on this notion that he was not following the rules of justice and that he was committing an injustice by presenting cases of potential obstruction of justice but not providing the presumption of innocence that would come along with that being out there to the president because he knew he wasn't heading down the road to make a determination about whether or not to seek charges so here is congressman reckenthaller. Isn't it true on page one volume to you. Stay when you're quoting the statue the got an obligation either prosecute or not prosecute or generally that is the case although most cases are not done in the context of the president in this case. You need a decision not to prosecute correct act now. We made a decision not to decide whether to prosecute or not so so essentially what you report did was everything that A._G.. Reno warned against. I can't agree with that carpet. Well well what you did. Is You compound a nearly eighty four hundred and fifty nearly four hundred and fifty pages of the very worst information you gathered against the target of your investigation who happens to be the president of the United States and you did this knowing that you're not going to recommend charges and then the report would be made public about true. That's just a very interesting. I think sort of legal push-back two molar that Miller didn't really defend himself on very much throughout the day. He didn't seem all that interested in doing so but I do think obviously the the big takeaways. Are you know that Muller said that he didn't even head down the road of assessing whether or not obstruction of justice was committed because of that oil see guideline. He knew he couldn't go there he he said that the president was not exonerated. He was not exculpated pushing back on the president's of very often stated claims of no collusion no obstruction total and complete exoneration muller definitely pushed back on that Muller did also note that it is totally possible for the president to be indicted once he is out of office as a former president and that the stylistic headline which is that Bob Mueller was not some rock star witness yes that was going to galvanize the trump resistance out there and inspire Nancy Pelosi to move ahead with impeachment the day after the hearing kind of thing I if you were a Democrat looking for a real rallying cry try that impeachment was absolutely inevitable now. After you saw the way muller put the case out there against Donald Trump. That's not what happened today and I will be surprised if Nancy Pelosi somehow feels anything anything but secure in her decision not to have moved to an impeachment inquiry inquiry yet and trying to keep that at bay politically as you know because she doesn't think that is a wise move with an all certain defeat in the Senate lots of presidential no candidates lots of democratic members of caucus from very safe districts for the most part say no no no morals and the law and congressional responsibility demand an impeachment angry. She does not believe that that is true and she believes that it is going to help aid donald trump and his reelection victory. If House Democrats moved to an impeachment that is certain to be defeated in the in the Mitch McConnell Republican controlled Senate. I don't think the needle moved.

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Ep 1 | The Mueller Party Ends: NO COLLUSION

Dear America with Graham Allen Podcast

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Ep 1 | The Mueller Party Ends: NO COLLUSION

"What's going on everyone? I am Graham Alan and welcome to my brand new show. The dear America podcast. We have got an amazing show for you today. Get ready because every week we're going to be bringing you this brand new show. I'm going to introduce you to my friends and my beautiful wife every time we get on the podcast. They will be joining us as well. Elissa and Jake, my producer. You're going to love them as much as I do this particular episode. We talk about the bomb of the Mula report coming out, we talk about what free speech is really meant to be an is it racist to mispronounce people's names. Sit back, relax and welcome. So the brand new dear America podcast. Hey, what's going on? What's up? This is the very first. Dear America podcast fantastic day today. We'll actually I'm in a bad mood. I'm not gonna lie found myself in a horrid mood, which some people would say is good for ranting. I don't know how good it is for podcast. We're going to find out it's dreary today. It's raining. Drove nine hours yesterday. Drew? I drove twelve hundred miles in less hours. So that's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, everybody that's been following me on my other channels knows that we just got done with a brutal stretch of traveling rule and Elissa got to go with me a little bit on on the end not the beginning. So so we're going to jump right into it today. We're going to go into some other things is well, it's not Mueller day Mueller day was just the other day. However today is the first real news day Monday. Since the Mueller report has dropped. We're gonna talk about it. First and foremost. You told you in every contest there must be Jake. A loser winter. Yes. It feels good man. I I must admit it feels really good. It's not something that we didn't know. It's not something that we did not know there was no collusion. Now. You're were me were all exonerated today. Yeah. We were talking Dan Bongino said the other day that what was it March twenty four two thousand nineteen is the day that the corrupt media news died, and we'll all remember it. But let's jump into it. So no collusion. No, nothing, zilch. Not nothing. So today I like to officially declare it is the day that Hillary Clinton officially lost again. November sixteen election America is a better place for it. Jake. Does this cement Trump winning in twenty twenty? What do you think -solutely you'd think -solutely a link a lot of people are on the fence list agrees? I think so too. Let's get a poll going so on Twitter or Instagram. Just do hashtag dear America. And let us know what you think you think this guarantees that Donald Trump is winning the twenty twenty election. I say, yes, I think it was gonna win regardless. But I think this just further proves the miraculous -ness of his win in the first place. So he has been the media has gone against Donald Trump every aspect since day one he overcame probably the most corrupt media scandal in the history of our nation as far as elections go. And it was one of the biggest landslide victories of election in recent memory. Other than Ronald Reagan's second run where he just completely just decimated. But but yeah, I mean, it was a huge win across the board. Nobody thought he could do it. And to think that he did it in spite of all of this conspiracy against him. Right. And you know, everybody's for so long was pushing collusion, but it really was a conspiracy. And the since may of last year there were five hundred thirty three thousand articles written about the Trump collusion. So two seventeen. Let's talk about let's talk about the fact of all the money spent on this. I want to know where my tax money's coming back. I wanna refund check. All right. They spent between thirty to fifty million dollars of taxpayer money hard earned taxpayer money. I don't remember giving them permission to use my money to investigate the president. So where wh-, where's my where's my refund? Check. That's what I wanna know. Why do we have to do this? Good discussion forum in the wake of the Mueller report. Why do we have to just simply just whatever with our taxpayer money being used for whatever it's used for? Right. Shouldn't we and this is not a little say? Yeah. Hashtag, dear America. We'd love to hear your input on this should shouldn't we as taxpayers have a say. So whether or not, you know, well, you know, if we really want our taxpayer dollars to go towards investigating the president. Why don't you put that fifty million towards the wall? Yeah. There'd be a vote on it. And you know, they decide how many people want the investigation and we'd be back at square one. So we put it up for debate or whether or not taxpayer dollars should be used for the wall. But without asking at all what the taxpayers think are putting it up for votes and all this stuff. They investigate with Robert Mueller for how much money it cost to investigate president. So why is that is that the media and the? Mental double standards in play there that seems like it. I just don't get it. I don't understand who was it that was crying because they were so upset Rachel matter. It's oh, man. She's been burned. But even so why would you cry that you're president? John's communist. Works days or numbers. He works her. Yeah. Well, yes, that's twice. Okay. So she got burned about a year and a half ago now when the head tropes tax return release. It was huge big thing. Like, a countdown, right? Even did a countdown to the release of this tower. So exciting we're so pumped and this chick literally on air is reading this tax return and found out he paid thirty five million dollars in taxes. And she she literally has Stenner and go. Oh, can you? Imagine hating someone that bad you cry when they don't miss. Don't earn twice. I did not agree with all political stances on things, but I never like hoped. He would just completely fail because he is our primary. The first thing to be. May have wanted him. But I did not say for taxpayer dollars being wasted. Right. Right. Right. And if he did something good, we wouldn't you know, right? Right. Be upset like for me list. Talk about Obama. It's hard to think. Well, yeah. It is hard to say. But, but let's talk about the the Affordable Care Act with Obama which was Obama's legacy, which is a garbage now and Trump is pretty much torn everything down Obama ever. Did he said the standard for legacy as president? And now you've got Bernie Sanders running, and that's one of the main platforms of his is healthcare for all health care for all on its basic level is not a bad thing or an idea who is against everybody having health care. It's how you go about. How you go about the problem illegal immigration border security healthcare for all housing for all cell phones for all Andrew Yang stupid thousand dollar a year to every American citizen. It's not that they're bad ideas in principle. It's the fact of no one takes into account. What actually has? To happen for those things to occur who pays for it? Yeah. So open borders. Are you got you got every Mexican child and mama crossing the border and oh their babies in their families and just trying to five and all this other stuff? Not to mention the terrorists that are coming across fighting male age smuggling cocaine end children a lot of times, sex trafficking, and all Modi's, no one wants to talk about that. So let's just tackle the hearts and minds thing, which is what these liberals don't understand. They wanna pull this hearts and minds garbage morally superior partner, we met everybody in. And then what happens where do they go who pays for them? Are they going to get a job who's going to hire them? They have no documentation. Are they going to be allowed to vote? The Democrats won't that be. So where are they going to sleep? What are they going to eat what who's going to pay for their healthcare? We are few vim us. It's us. It's not the legals coming over. Because they don't have they don't have to pay taxes because they're illegals. There's no way to track with vote or not, but they can vote because the democratic senior sixteen year old sixteen year olds man. That's another one is is the Democrats are so desperate. There's so much talk about right now. I it's like Jesus knew that I just gave us all kinds of things. So the voting age. Yes, sixteen. I was very responsible sixteen. We all were listen, I had a job that. I was very did school. I'm own. I was responsible. I should not have vote. His job vote. Is you could buy guess, jeans and stuff? That's right is correct cash to get time. I don't care how responsible of sixteen year old. You are you are still sixteen. You're thinking with your crotch. If you're a man, I it's just. All right. I mean, I don't look at me. Like that Elissa lists rolling her eyes at me in disgust. Don't speak for the main news is common practice. Right. Every six seconds, a male thinks about sex think about that fact think about that. I go how not me from me. But I that is a fun eight or nine. Okay. Jake. Everyone is gonna wait knee about that about sex every six seconds except for Jake. But the point the point is this. Okay. I don't care how good of a teenager. You were you were still a teenager. Are you were easily swayed in any direction at all Nancy Pelosi comes out, and it's been rumored for a while that she was supportive of it. Right. Been rumored for a long time. But she comes out. And she says that she is pro sixteen year old boarding vote. Voting for warning age is going to be a good show guys. I'm so excited. I'm voting making up names. She comes out and says that she is pro sixteen year old voting because they're interested in their learning about the government in school. And because they're learning about the government in school. They should be allowed to vote because they truly understand which way which way the schooling in when we talk about government. That's that's like saying like say, you should be allowed to play in the because you're playing a coach pitch kid in high school is that interested in politics. Man like your kid. There are some. But again, we're talking about everyone versus again, the little tiny group who actually could probably vote. That's right. Light to redo laws, and they like to make up things as they go for the minority of situations. Right. They don't take into effect. Guess are there some children? Yes. I said children because at sixteen your child at eighteen your child, but legally you may be an adult. The point is the vast majority of sixteen year olds are dome. Gummed dum dum dum, dum, dum, dum dum. They are dumb. I don't trust the sixteen year old to do crap. Video meement said why sixteen year old shouldn't votes dude, setting that a rock on fire and setting his buddy about to skate down or whatever is Ryan. It was hilarious tarred pod. Eating feelings matter of one of the top ten stressors of millennials in two thousand nineteen. It's not losing your phone. It's losing your that is what using your phone charger four out of the hot things that stress out twenty five to like sixteen year old has to do their phone time with death phone is that not scarier said. I put a tweet out. And it said I'll tra- sixteen year old when you lower the enlistment age, and they can go to boot camp for two years. And then I'll trust their vote eighteen and everybody's main argument is cram that's not even remotely comparible saying someone can join the military at sixteen is not even compared to voting will. That's my point. Why in the world not why does that not the same thing? Well, and you can use to serve your country, and you can then usually be and they want you to be able to choose to vote on how our country is run. Why not the you can't even rent a U haul mega trailers unless you're twenty five years old Oxford has a me and Graham, we're married we were not twenty five or younger, and we hang it. One of our parent. I've been hall why two time war vet can't rent. We had children. We couldn't. Simplify make it all twenty one. You know, you can't talk to anyone that you can drink insurance. Yes. I'm out against it. I just I think that's what makes people like occasional Cortez. And folks like that and even Bego so dangerous is they are appealing to the younger graphic extremely young demographics. And they're doing it very well though, because they're playing at everyone's morality, what is good. And then they make. They are. And so they don't they don't really care about the politics are looks. But they're really doing a good job about. Oh. But this is the good and right thing to do. Also, they're running out of their their voter base. You know, people are leaving in droves. So they're having to find that the kid goes, the kids don't even know if you're young and not a liberal, you know, you don't have a here's the thing is even adult the house and Senate voting on ten twelve bills at Denny, right? Like every single day their voting on countless numbers of bills. Do you have any clue what they're talking about? I don't and this is my job. I couldn't tell you eighty percent of the crap that they're voting on in the house, and in the Senate, do you honestly think that a sixteen year old has any freaking clue what's going on at all all they know missing out on being a kid all kid for a little while before you worry about this kind of stuff the Democrats or the liberals are right or excuse me, the left. I just did. A speaking thing Charlie Kirk at ASU, and he did a really good job of saying. There is a difference between the term liberal and now the left liberal about ten years ago used to be firmly. Libertarian right. A lot of their prince of classical liberal. Yeah. Yeah. Classical liberal a lot of their principles used to align with conservatives. A lot of the things. Now, you've got the left, and they became the left under the veil of liberals. Right. And so they've just they've they've they've contorted or distorted or what however you want to name it every. Everything to where they have even changed the definition of the young voters ten years ago. Young voters were between twenty five and thirty five those were young voters now Democrats are realizing holy crap. We're losing everybody and even adults can't stand her. I would love to see the demographics of her audience. I bet seventy percent of the people that follow her are teenagers. Fifteen assan. Assan how about that? I would venture to say that that number of them are teenagers. And so the Democrats are realizing this. So the only chance they have is to try to change the voting laws try to allow highly impressionable minds and some people right now are going cram. Not my kid my kids smarter than you. My kid knows more than you ever. Will find your is smart and good for you? It has nothing to do with you as a parent your kids, either smarter. They're not. So I don't even know why you claim credit for that. But what I don't know if I agree with that. Oh, you don't. I mean, I couldn't read if without a really. Marital argument live on microphone ever hadn't in years. Bring it on. Okay. So here's my point to to do this. I'm not saying education's not important. I'm not saying that smart people don't need to be educated on actual things that are in our society, history and math and English. I'm staying you either are capable of understanding math or you're not you're either capable of understanding biology, or you're not that's just the way it is period. You're either a smart enough person to where you can do algebra without using paper or you're lying, and you got to get a calculator that someone else uses to tell you answer. Like, that's just that's just the truth. That's the way it is. That's our psyche. That's all I'm saying and your mommy just came out right there. I don't even mad about that. One second every okay, hashtag, dear America. Let's put this to vote of stash tagged your America on Twitter or Instagram. And let us know what you think do people can people be taught to be smart or people smart. Smart question. They learn it though, or they're going to be topped. They don't stupid forever. They don't know what they're answering because you to or interrupting hashtag, dear America. Let us know what you think. Tag Elissa is right. Why? Finnish navy? God hashtag, dear America on Twitter, Instagram. Let us know what you think can people be taught to be smart. Like, listen to think or are you smart and simply are taught things I leave it up to the vast voting of the American people because we believe in democracy. I'm caveat off of this into a story is everyone good with this. We have a choice. Four of smart people. That are not I'm going to read you a story. Are you ready? All right. I'm ready. This is about three Oklahoma City teenagers who allegedly planned to rob. A Bank using Uber as transportation police say the Uber driver who took the teens to the Bank Tuesday afternoon. Call to thirties after hearing one of them say he had a gun and was going to quote cap. Somebody police say a gun was found the teens at apparently Ardy arranged everything and had their Uber. Wait for him. And so that Uber driver called the police, and they were indeed cabinet people deserve a medal at this that a rat. That's the way I feel if you're going to screw it up you might as well, screw it up super big when he was questioned he said, quote, they were using their their Uber as the quote getaway car. You know, when you order Uber, and you could put like special instructions, you should bring me a pizza. Should've texted in there. Be like be quick on the gas pedal or. Fast or you pro plying dark alley. How do you feel about these things? That's funny. Again teenagers that goes to show. These are the dummies that the Democrats voting the type of people that would rob a store and get Uber. The Democrats want them voting if they're voting for them. They don't want him. Just for anybody scary is children grow up. And so if they get them young I'm saying, even if they get them young though that scary 'cause they're targeting our future generations. And that is what scary about it. Well, that's what age. Ages eighteen if they get him at forget most kids at eighteen anyways. That's true. I mean, that's what scary generate the ironic thing of this Democrats claim that they're pro young people in their pro young Americans and empowerment of young Americans. But what the Democrats are actually doing for young voters is absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. However, the very president that the Democrats are trying to convince voters against is the president is actually doing things for young voters. Did you know that on Thursday? I believe it was. Yes. Thursday, the president signed the executive order four drummer. Free speech on college campuses. Which really shouldn't have been said feel weird. It's a weird place. We're having to sign executive orders for conservative speech. That's what it is college. Professors are mad if you that genderless say it again is my favorite guide nipples alien, boys. Go out there and talk about and spread you know, I guess membership into their alien club. That's fine. You can have people talking about abortion, and how you can have those bore post birth infanticide. I can't even talk. It makes me so mad infanticide. You can talk about that all day long. You can wear vagina hats on campus. You can spread what appears to be period blow it on yourself on campus. And nobody says anything, but if you go on there saying that we need borders. Sixteen is too young vote. Donald Trump is a great president. God is God is the one true. God there two genders, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, where you're a racist and bigot and you're not. Oh, welcome here, or they put you in a very tiny room because they let you, but they put you somewhere where no one can get to you. Or so say sprout Trump signed that. But it sad that it had to come to that. So to caveat off of that, Jake, and I would love to hear your perspective on this. And we're really going to get deep into it. So everyone listening prepare your mind for the conversation is about to happen as you go down this journey with us, and you can always hashtag dear America on Twitter Instagram to let us know your thoughts, whether you agree or disagree. In fact, I challenge you if you disagree. So please hashtag that. And let it be known. So me Annalisa just attended a event which is the log cabin Republicans. And it's a really interesting thing to have because everyone knows religiously where Melissa stand we are Christians. We do believe the bible to be true. And what it says? But there is a big separation between religious views and political views just is like those sometimes they intermingle with each other. And as conservatives, obviously, we have a lot of Christian influence on our political beliefs. But when it comes to the black and white narrative of it. All right legalities of it all there is a very big difference between political views and religious views. Right. So to put it in basic terms of log cabin Republicans are essentially the LGBT community for conservatives. All right. So so they're they're lesbian, gay bisexual conservatives. Right. And all of them are not not all of them are. But that is like the main principle of this thing. And so meet Eliza. We're very. Humbled to be invited. Right. So so we were invited in because they like the message that we convey because it's very obvious are religious convictions. But we also understand what freedom actually means as in context to political. Right. And so that's what they talked about during this thing was you can't fight for freedom. True freedom of one group and not fight for freedom of another group. If you want a true free society now again to be clear, and we were very clear with the people at the L CR. This is not saying on a religious level that we agree with the lifestyle choices of things. But this goes to our earlier videos, where just because we don't agree with something doesn't mean that we should treat them like second class citizens or they don't have. Any rights, etc. Etc. So it was really cool to hear honestly, gay conservatives talk. It was very interesting because the only gay people that get the time of day on mainstream networks are the stream left that basically says that you know, you have to indoctrinate your children have drag Queen story time, and you know, you have to teach your children at age eight gender fluidity in school and all this stuff and the president even said in his speech is it fair to have a young woman. Not have the right to not disrobe in front of a man that now identifies as a woman in the in the bathroom and stuff, and it was really cool to hear them use rational thought and understanding to their to their point into their argument. Right. So Jake to throw it back to you. And again guys, this is a really interesting conversation. So hashtag, dear. Erica, your thoughts on this Twitter or Instagram and let us know Jake. What do you think about that? Will I don't like hypocrites in general, so people who claim to be Christian, and then don't live like a Christian, or who, you know, say certain things about certain groups of people. Right. You know, it's like I was at a church a couple years ago. And the guy was talking about freedom to pray in school. Like, we have our kids be allowed to pray in school all for it. But then he follows it up with you know, because they're letting the Muslims pray. And you know, he didn't want that he wanted just Christians to have parenting wanted to kick Muslim prayer out. I get what he probably thinks about Islam and all that. But if you want it if you want your freedom of religion for Christianity. It's just one of those things you have to let them have their freedom to so terms that someone said that I loved is you can accept and not agree to not agree. Then he was so funny. I'm not gonna say his name. He was just fantastic. And he was he said, you think? You have hard times try being a gay Republican. Oh, yeah. But anyway, it was it is to the principle of it because you can have different views, but you do you have to have freedom for all you cannot just near down to. No, you don't get that. Right. But I do who are you? And we don't know the struggles of being a conservative, you know, like. Israel again again. And this is something that that. It's honestly something that I didn't realize until I got into this world is as Christians, we should take a stand and influence politics as best as we know how I mean. That's just the truth. I don't believe in the church has no right whatsoever to say anything about what's going on in the political world. It was in my opinion, the biggest government scandal ever. And honestly, the biggest mistake the church ever did. And this is my opinion hash dear America. Let me know how much you hate what I'm about to say churches getting into the five. Oh, once three tax exemption thing to save money. All right, which I get. But what it did was it put a muzzle on churches? That's what it did. All right. It was it was too in the in the Vale of it. It was to make the church feel like government separation. But when it actually did was the government push the church out. All right. Okay. All you're a five. Oh one. Three charity organization. Now, you can't talk about those things. We'll take your five one three away, and it put a muzzle on churches, but back to the point now that I'm in the world of politics. You're right, Jake. You can't be hypocritical about what you deem to be freedom. Whether religiously you agree with it or not right, politically if you are pushing pro freedom for everyone race, sex, Jin, whatever you can't you can't have true freedom for one group and exclude another group politically, and it truly is again for all the Christians in a war. Roar right now, I am not saying in any way, shape, or fashion, and I have been very adamant and we'll continue to do. So that religiously I do not agree with that lifestyle. Religiously right, politically, that's the reason you can't go into politics with emotion. Just like you can't interpret the rule of law with the motion is not set any day because we're so divided as a nation right now guess who walked away as one of my new best friends the guy we met who was. A gay conservative because we agree. We don't agree, but we can accept and we we had a wonderful time. And it just fascinates me though. It's like, oh, okay. Well, you don't agree with me? Well. Thing that religiously we did not agree with that. And we did what is lost in today's society. We looked at each other. And we said, well, we agree on that. And we just and we we continued about the day and has wonder had a great night. And I mean, it was a good time in. So it was really a cool situation. Go into where to show in my opinion, that it is possible for a group of people that don't see eye to eye on every aspect of what they stand for still be able to be Americans still on the core values of things for freedom, etc. And the Republican conservative values get along. And I think that America could have learned a lot from that situation. And so it was really cool to be there. It was an eye opening thing for for me in a lot of ways. Because it does H just makes you think about the fact you can't have freedom for one group. Yes. Because that in and of itself is a poxy. And so it was cool to go about it. Now, don't ask me straight up. You know, if you if you belong to LGBT community and don't ask me straight up of what I think about, you know, same sex, marriages, etc. Etc. Religiously 'cause you're probably not going to like the answer because I don't I don't agree with that. Religiously but you are still in American and that is your right to. I mean, if that's what you wanna do then then that is your right? And like the guy sent and we won't do it. It is not it is not for you to accept or agree with it is for you to tolerate all American. And I thought that was very good point Elissa is telling me that we need to move onto the oh, no. I saw the look bay blitz. Deuce thing. We've been married for ten years. This is complete shift of subjects. That you just said a cuss word. This is completely. You brought it around you twang it out. I was lying. So is anyone heard about what Barbara Streisand did any money? Some celebrity reactions. Friday. Also, the mute report drop the same day. Okay. So this was fantastic day. The Grammy winner said she believes the sexual allegations made by Wade Robson and James safe, Chuck which is unless named anyway, basically, she says that it was absolutely very painful. He was very sweet talking about Michael Jackson, very childlike his sexual needs were his sexual needs coming from whatever childhood. He has or whatever DNA he has you can say molested quote, but those children as you heard say they were thrilled to be there. Goodness, both married, and they both have children. This is all quote. Did it kill them? I feel bad for these children. She concluded I feel bad for him. I blame I guess the parents who would allow their children to sleep. With blassie Ford. Cavanaugh? I think that. That's ridiculous. Well, Barbara Streisand has been in the news a lot lately she's offer. 'cause he's off her rocker. She's the same one that said that women were basically, brain dead puppets. That only did what their husbands only voted the weather husbands told him do. So now, she is basically saying she pretty much said that it was the kids on night asked for it. And she did ask for once. And then apparently, she apologized again. So I will throw that out there. Obviously, there is some truth to what you say. So you said that don't you don't you don't walk on a statement like that. But that's just that's a whiff for little and social media was brutal which it should have been. There's a whole I one everybody knows that Michael Jackson's a pedophile. Okay. If you're still handle, I don't know if he knew that dear America, let us know. Do you still believe that Michael Jackson was not a pedophile love, that's ignorant? Ignorance sweet in very childlike. I'm just saying it's weird. He didn't childhoods weird. No. I don't care. How much you love kids? I love my kids. I let other people's kids. Come stay the night at my house when I'm grown man and sleeping in the room with me because it's weird right? It doesn't make any sense. Of course, he was a pedophile period. And the parents, you're right. The parents should go to jail right now because they probably were paid money. Let's just be. Let's just be truthful about it. They probably were paid money. I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson did stuff with Webster McCullough Kokin too. Which is probably another reason why MacAulay Kokin is off his rocker right now. I'm not I don't know wonder if Michael would elect Trump would have been a trope fan, all I'm sleeping. Macaulay Culkin was the number one child actor in the world. And Michael Jackson was messing around with kids. You really think? I again, I don't know for fact, but I just know McCullough Kokin, it's got a lot of issues. Now as an adult is right. And Corey Feldman comes out and bust up the whole Hollywood ring. He's like, yeah. Everybody was touching us kids period. And I'm just saying it is a sick and twisted demented world there in Hollywood and Barbra Streisand's comment was really her real thoughts on it. She's come back now 'cause they're published. This is like you tanked this entire organ pretty much. If you got gotta fix what little name recognition, you have left. And that's it. She doesn't mean that she meant what she said the first time, which is really scared even have that mindset. I don't know it just baffles me like we just had actually opposed to it. Some of my social media followers took up for me because it was saying basically, our three children should have been aborted. Did you see that? I just don't understand the mentality of today. And maybe I'm wrong. I need to ask I guess older generations, but attacking children or even saying, oh, yeah. Obviously they were sexually abused. But obviously their own fault. What I mean? Roy normalizing. It wanted to be famous. It's it's baffling. It's mind-blowing. Speaking of like, Hollywood, let's keep it in that realm. Jake, Jake is Joe right into speaking of child. Listen. I'm starting to call her goat. Eliza Lana because I just hope that some differently than mine. I would like to point what's up with Alissa skin. She says if the report fully exonerated him or his family. He'd have it all out in seconds, wouldn't he? Yeah, he's not an idiot Elissa. So he's probably gonna keep you know, most of it in. Let's see Trump is come out and said, let them sit like Trump Trump care clarifying. Speaking about the muses back to the Miller report. Yeah. I mean is it Muller or Mueller? Mueller, Muller Nash tag. What do y'all think here America morning? L L or immune L mule or immu you're in you're in the south Jake news swing at benmaller. What about okay, I win. Bueller? Be ler. Same can't you? How do you spell? Bueller? Looking at right now. Bueller day off look it up. All right. All right. Let's see what the audience thinks hashtag. Dear america. Is it Mueller or Muller? I think Muller is immu L L E arts Mueller. You're sounds like. Okay. Okay. Go ahead Jiang. Whatever Bill Maher is it Mauer or mar. Now, our doesn't need a report to know Trump's at trader so even with all the evidence in proof in the world. You know, he doesn't need that. He doesn't need proof. He just knows. He's a traitor stick to their guns. Yeah. Yeah. I don't need to see bills. Terrible ratings to notes terrible show. Bill. Maher says is dumb anyways. So again, another another failing person that uses Trump's popularity to boost their own ratings. Michael, Ian, black. You remember that name haven't heard from him in a while? He said it's a bad day for people with eyesight, and I totally agree with him. When you see the truth, you have your eyes open. Sometimes it hurts a little bit at first. But yeah, you'll see the light. Now. Speaking of the truth. Let's let's go for my little point that I want to bring out every always bring fair and unbiased opinions absolutely into what I talk about. Okay. So this is brought to us by KU OWI public radio verified account real thing. All right. You rose by any other name would not be me the racist. Practice of mispronouncing Bill Mauer. So now, what a great cabinet is awesome. We were just talking about. You wanna talk about racism, Jake? I'm so sorry. How dare czar Bill she you rice racist? On the podcast any longer. We'll talk about free speech, buddy. Mel if you miss pronounced people's names. And this was for those of you who can't see this was a African American woman that come out and said this. So you're a racist you, obviously, hey anyone other than white people because you mispronounce names people really is the world that we live on the against to make his name. I know what listen you should go to court every single person. We could make a lousy. What is your? What is your who? Is that you typed in it always said my name, we're on Syria had to say the I should do happen. Yes. Was it president Tim apple should serve to Matt? Jio map hail sue him another caveat on the name thing. You know, mispronouncing Muller, and that's racist. It also came out that the whole Muller report was racist guy on CNN guy on CNN. He says he's a black man. And he said if this investigation was investigating a black family for twenty two months. They would have found something. Racist thing you've ever heard you said they couldn't find anything on Trump that clearly shows is white privilege. Yeah. On CNN. That's rough. And then they call him a dictator and they'll laugh, but it, but because it funny he's who for CNN to say racist things the past four or five months n n has said and allowed on air the most racist gusting things was the guy that said negroes can't read Conde west is again of negroes that can't read and then dawn on them and comes on and says Vegas threat to America's white might conservative Christian move. Yeah. Exactly. No. That's where that's where we live. So those days are over though, man. Okay. I got another one for you. All right. Was it? United Airlines come Jin say identify or or Mark as you identify ride as you did. That's what it says ride as you. Are gender neutral options are now available. What is it was the mix AmEx? What does that stand for does anyone really male? But with the x chromosome, so male female it literally. I don't know. I can't keep no at that say it say it like you mean it, and we'll just all believe escorted immense for this is going to make people mad hashtag, dear America listener. How much you hate this Emec stands for nothing because people that Mark x claim that they are nothing. They are non binary. They they're neither male or female will that mean? You're nothing at that point. I mean, don't you identify nothing? You can't say we'll identify nothing in that something saying they have to me something enough. It's like it's like a riddle. And that's we're only live in a riddle where you're thrown in jail. If you don't get it. Right. What happens though? Okay. You identify that. So what are they what is what actually happens if you identify unifies a toddler? So therefore, I shouldn't have to pay for tickets. No, telling what you said, oh, I say I said a tweet in response to that identifies a person should fi first class. That person as well. But somebody came out and said screw that identifies. Toddler that way. You don't have to pay for any tickets ever. No. I'm walking on this thing because I'm too. Yeah. I like the guy who was in his sixties identified as a twenty two year old because he was trying to get back in the dating game. But he lost though, he laws they gotta draw the line somewhere. So see. But that's my point he lost. Because he was not pro you can be whatever you want. He was doing it out of spite. Okay. But then he lost. So is that the definition between what's true? And what's not whether you believe in the cause you're fighting for whether you're trying to prove a point. What was the guy that identified as a woman for day wrestling, they are the weightlifting weightlifting women's reduced or the guy who ran track and beat everyone identified as a woman. Well, of course. Well, Dickey's world we live in. I think that that is the end of today's podcast. Yeah. That was good. I think it was awesome. 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Muzzling Mueller? DOJ warns Mueller to limit testimony to report

The Beat with Ari Melber

44:57 min | 1 year ago

Muzzling Mueller? DOJ warns Mueller to limit testimony to report

"Bob Mueller speaks this week tonight. There's news on how he will prep and how bill bars interfering near Neil Cacho is here on that later tonight also donald trump is starting this week like he ended the last one stoking racial tension. We have a fact check later in the show and the top Republican who might Actually Challenge Donald Trump twenty twenty mark Sanford is here tonight as well and that's not all later on the show presidential candidate Andrew Yang is here along with music executive. Germain du Pre together all explain but we begin with of course the top story Bob Mueller testimony now two days away and here's what we're learning right now. First Muller will discuss the criminal evidence against trump for five hours before two committees second. He will deliver an opening statement. That's new Third Bill Bars D._O._J.'s again stepping in something we've been tracking on this story from the start new reporting tonight bar staff stressing Muller that anything Miller knows which is not in the report should be treated as quote presumptively privileged from disclosure well. Let's stop right there. Why does that sound a little hot well? I think you know why Bob Mueller is the one who airs on the side of not commenting and disclosing it was muller who stayed quiet while Bar released letters and expert excerpts that mischaracterize the report before it was ever released so when barn his staff are the ones demanding less disclosure it obviously stands out and of course it was bars justice department that flat out pushed molars top prosecutors not to testify at all and bar has also pined against this week's hearing knocking it in his view as a quote unnecessary public spectacle so for all this talk about how Wednesday's hearing could end up being a dud or dry or a Redo. It does appear that people inside the trump administration are still concerned about Al Muller and his team talking because even in his careful style Bob Muller was in one sense blunt in his last and only public remarks today saying his probe simply did not allow them to conclude Donald Trump did not commit it a crime now set forth in the report after that investigation if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so and they didn't say okay so now that implicit rebuke of trump does not mean that Bob Mueller is now standing with the president's critics far from it. Remember as a legal matter when Miller steps in front of the world Wednesday he will be a hostile witness Nisa under subpoena he is prepping to be pressed and to push back. He's doing in depth briefings mock sessions to mimic the big event so he's ready to take on these committee chairs who have their own view of what Muller found we want Bob Muller to bring it to life to talk about what's in that report and the report presents a very substantial evidence that the president is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. That's a pretty damning set of facts that involve a presidential campaign in a close close race welcoming help from hostile foreign power. He is a Essentially Unindicted Co conspirator that Muller present those facts the American people and then see where we go from that there are damning facts in the Miller report but some Democrats want more than a dry factual presentation they wanNA press Bob Muller under oath to say in English what the Mullahs report only said in lawyer jargon that there is substantial evidence against trump that it comes from his own staff and that it suggests he committed multiple crimes in office. Let me bring in our experts tonight. Richard single was a top diplomat in the Obama Administration and former managing editor of time caroline nine police say is a criminal defense attorney represented George Popadopoulos and dealt with people in the Mueller probe directly and Nick Ackerman a former Watergate special prosecutor good evening to each of you grieving a great panel if I may say so on this big event event that everyone is waiting for that the administration is apparently uncomfortable with Nick. What does it mean when the Democrats want more from Muller than they will probably get and when bill bar wants less or nothing from Muller they don't either side doesn't didn't have to come out on this thing? All they need to bring out are the facts that are in this report what they need to do is go through the eight instances of obstruction of justice. I'm which Bob Muller is founded. Obstructive Act corrupt intent and a nexus exist to a preceding that was trump was trying to obstruct and then on top of it they also had the evidence relating to the break into the Democratic National Committee. They've got a statement right in that report that says but for the fact that the nationals the two the two crimes that relate to the theft of property which Muller says but for the fact that these crimes only relate to tangible property goods that he he considered using those against people for trafficking and the stolen documents from the Democratic National Committee so they should take that statement juxtapose it to what trump was doing with respect to wikileaks and what the campaign was doing a wikileaks can weeks and then they should also go into the conspiracy relating to the social media where they have evidence from Rick Gates the deputy campaign manager to the campaign manager Paul Manafort who basically was instructing gates it over irregular period of time throughout the campaign to provide Constantine Kalinic with the stole pulling data that was the absolute democratic material that could be used to micro target Hillary Clinton voters suppress that vote your and your point is that's in the report it matters whether or not muller found it to be chargeable and he couldn't find anything chargeable against the president or his analysis. The hearing should should really put that before everyone I want to bring stangl who is both <unk> a longtime journalist and diplomat as a diplomat you smooth over. I'M A non-diplomatic different. Okay good as journalists you look for the gaps and I ask you to look at the diplomacy also known as the spin and then the real gaps in what I'm GonNa read from this new report tonight that Mr Bar who represents Donald Trump who they all said Oh. It's fine dry do over no big. We're not worried about this now. That says that they have been extensively pressing muller. They don't WanNa Place Muller's team in front of Lawyers D._O._J.. But reading here from this they say okay we want to place lawyers in the room but they'd have little recourse to prevent me from going off script and reveal details of his investigation at the White House considers off limits that basically because they're not going to put people in the room to muzzle him. They've been extensively meeting well. They've been meeting with him. Saying everything that's not in proper is presumptively privilege. What's going on here? The D._O._J.. Has Been Meeting with Muller beforehand. They've they've been telling his people so maybe through intermediaries yeah. They've been telling US People Extensively D._O._J.. Me and this is headline. Muller should limit is testimony of the report and they're afraid of anything else so race if so low quitter that's Latin for. The thing speaks for itself that is Bob Muller's philosophy and of course that doesn't exist except in the eighteenth century what they're worried about. Is that Bob Muller standing there talking directly to camera answering questions will bring this alive in a way that a four hundred and forty eight page report just never can be and the thing that I as a journalist that I would look for if I'm going for the absolute nut and by the way I wouldn't do the Perry Mason thing because you're never going to get a Perry Mason moment when you're interviewing Perry Mason right but the question is Perry Mason Paradox. The question is why didn't Muller indict him was it because the president didn't commit a crime or because there was the the jurisdiction the office of Legal Counsel Guidelines from on the Justice Department saying you can't indicted sitting president that would be the one question I would want to have clarity on and the problem is that he's probably just going to say it's exactly in the report what she said in that press conference you say you'll never dealt with his team. Take a look at how he's ducked in the past I hesitate to speculate because I have just a piece of the puzzle also but I would have to check to make absolutely certain in every investigation <hes> there. I am particularly a fast moving investigation. There's steps are taken that may or may not work out. It's very difficult to generalize or to reach some sort of understanding or make progress with that a generalization what's so interesting here is that even the face of all of this. They're still scared. He may go roque. There's still a little bit scared to that. One percent possibility everything we know about Bob Muller. He's a rule follower like he's a private citizen now. He doesn't really have to listen to this zero. J and we know this sort of like presumptive. Privilege is a really legal thing. He's not a thing it's it's not a thing and it's it's. It's been well documented that there is no blanket the okay so complete the point so there's an agreement. It's not a thing so what is the point is that they're really scared of this very minute chance that he could get could be so upset that he would fly in the face of his whole history everything that he's ever lived for it. which is that he sticks to the books he sticks to the four corners of the of the reports and everything that we know about him that there's a small possibility that again he may go off script and give information that they think could be damaging? That's just not going to happen and then it goes to the president today. Nick which is you could say well. He's always mixed. He says Oh this guy's got conflicts but you know take his word for the way I've mischaracterizes findings but he does appear still concerned about what's going to happen. It's it's not just easy breezy. Take we had no collusion no obstruction. We had no nothing we had a total no collusion finding the phony investigation where the report was written. It said no collusion there was no obstruction Robert Muller. I know he's conflicted. He lied. There's a lot of conflicts that he's got the fact that his best friend is coming but he's got conflicts with me too. He's got big conflicts with me. He's still ruled and I respect them for it. He still ruled no collusion no obstruction. That's the whole problem if you read through this report and you just pull out the facts of their their forget him going rogue the fact remains once you put all that evidence out in the obstruction there was obstruction. There's no question the facts speak for themselves. The problem problem is the public has not had the opportunity to zero in on those fat and I think that's why the stakes are high. Even if people feel this is not ideally timed that Donald trump may be onto a political propaganda strategy by trying to make everyone feel that this is somehow uh-huh quote unquote older news. Why are we still talking about that? Trump understands how to appeal to things that may sound like they're vaguely and the ball they're not actually true. The fact that there's been a methodical process and that there was a subpoena doesn't tell you anything about the underlying facts. I want to do two things. I want to get rick back in but I want you to pick out because I see what you have got everything you pick out the page that you would most like to ask about that. You think is most important to you and you get a minute for your homework of what you would ask. Neil Cacho Hotel said you know one good question would be did you find there was quote. No obstruction and muller could say no if that's what he would say. Did you find there was quote. No collusion could say no and that would be a real evisceration of what bar his boss has claimed by the way I did not get the memo to my copy of the report here today. I'm feeling a little carry this you all I'm going to mention one pet showed by have about about as a person who testified before the house before the problem is each member gets five minutes and each member is thinking probably as much about people back home as he is thinking about the witness and what happens is instead of going sequentially with trying to figure something out each person tries to get his own Perry Mason moment and they come to nothing Europe was with Perry Mason like with the Democrat yes but nobody under the age of fifty even knows who that is but but the problem is fact check falls is that get to get Muller to actually say something that might be potentially Ashley revealing they have to they have to work together to get questions in a sequential order rather than each one doing his or her own questions for five one quick question what we're doing references because because Caroline's been giving us guidance and you're a very sharp lawyer yourself <hes> Perry Mason you say people do know that what about Matlock yes now atticus finch. Oh yes yeah okay yeah goodness you've got your homework was sure I mean first of I Mr Muller Direct your attention to page one seventy six WCHS which is a section relating to Roger Stone and the dissemination of the stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee. It's a fact is it not Mr Miller if you look at that footnote that your office considered considered charging people with the theft or stolen property and trafficking in stolen property is that right so you're saying and this is important. This is talking about something. They got law so that we've reported on it. You're you're singling out this part where they talk about. They only charge stone for certain things but you're saying that they took very seriously. The possibility that people high in the trump campaign would have been potentially involve chargeable for those said they considered it now instead of molar. I don't want you to tell me who you considered or how many people considered but it's a fact. Is it not based on your report that this was something that you considered it at least against one individual in the trump campaign given that we have a former representative of a trump official play us out if you would the counterargument isn't the counter argument and Republicans on the committee will certainly stick to this if Bob Mueller of all people turned everything over squeezed Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort and didn't charge. Doesn't that mean boy if there was a case he didn't find it that would be an argument. I may make in terms of specific individuals but I think white nick is so right on the money is that the questioning needs to be so pointed. You'll you'll notice. His questions weren't open ended so they're not gonNA. We're not gonNA hear these Muller. `ISMs these double negatives week. We did not conclude that he did not commit a crime and you have to think it over your mind multiple times only leave it open to a skilled cross examination. You only get them to go along with your narrative so you continue talking and it's a yes or no question and it's just yes boom boom and you get your narrative out. Out there and that's what's going to be so important if Democrats or Republicans really if they want to shape whatever narrative they've got they can't it's not going to be a quotation from Bob Muller. It's going to be there quote in him. Acknowledging yes or no right which really goes the question. Is You have not seen the store toward the same way and I've interviewed you. Previously I happen to know that I think our viewers may know about that but each of you are zeroing in on what could make or break Wednesday which is do these people live their lives as politicians find it in their oath of office to step step back from that and do skillful questioning that informs the public or are they to quote to to paraphrase not quote to paraphrase Richard Stangl or are they out there first trapping for a Perry Mason moment yeah. I do think this is the I'm not gonna say that name again. This is the moment where they have to become patriots and become statesman and say this we have to educate the public about this volume one. You have to educate the public about the fact that we were attacked in a comprehensive way by a foreign adversary whether or not the trump campaign worked with them or not is almost doesn't matter at volume to the president commit crimes to cover that up even if he wasn't charged yes I I got him. If he wasn't the president of the United States Richard Aka Okay Perry airline and Nick Ackerman with with the visual aid thank you each and I'll be coming back to you to get your views on what goes down on Wednesday the debris because we have so much more including a fact check of Stephen Miller defending defending Donald trumps race baiting new reports that Donald Trump wants to enrich himself by putting the g seven at his own golf course later Neil Khatau's here to talk about trump's new legal strategy which you need to know about it and I have a live interview with a Republican critic who might challenge trump in the primary all that plus special show to start the week eight Monday fallback with Andrea and hip hop tremaine do pre Amari Melby watching the be on M._S._N._B._C. Hi. It's Katy Tur want WanNa keep up with M._S._N._B._C.. While you're on the go subscribe to the M._S._N._B._C. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news text M._S._N._B._C. Two six six eight six six to subscribe. Let's start with the facts. Donald Trump wrote the lines that his crowd chanted about sending a U._S.. Congresswoman back home and stood stood by then chanted for thirteen seconds straight a fact that bedevils trump's top aides watch as Stephen Miller says the trump actually disagreed with the very chant and then watch this claim get blown up on Fox News with the centre-back chant the president was clear that he disagreed with it he he was clear after the fact he let excuse me he let it go on for thirteen seconds and was only when the chant diminish that he started talking again and he said I'm not GonNa there nothing in his tweet I'm going to but he said nothing there were and it's tweet after the rally that indicated any concern about the when they want to get to the core issue yes. Let's get to the core issue what you're saying his in true of course this was after trump himself claimed at one point that he disagreed with the chant he wrote and then re embraced Donald Trump today back at it and he says these congresswomen quote they're the ones who hate America and he claims there's no racial tension. There's actually new reporting that his own advisers want him to focus on their ideas and behavior of his opponents. They're concerned that trump's attacks are actually quote looking like a racist agenda one of the four congresswoman Rashida to leave hitting back today yeah going nowhere impeach president. It's beyond just the four of us. The squad is all all of you. Buy Your Hack Hawk. I should say a former White House and State Department officer in the Obama Administration Valla. We're almost host of vices latte necks and former Clinton staffer thanks to both of you for being here. Let's start with what we're <unk> witnessing which is however slowly and painfully and obviously some factual problems even over there on Fox News for people like Mr Miller who wanna lie about what happened well. It's a slow and factual and painful thing to see that many people do agree with Donald Trump is tapping into a part of American identity that frankly hasn't really been resolved since the civil war right when we talk about the remaining confederate statues and the flags and people wanted to these types what about what we I just saw what about the idea that appears to be a problem for them to pretend donald trump didn't support. I think the problem is that they don't want to they want to dance around the actual issue and aren't outright coming in owning the fact that they're playing to this American sentiment right. They understand that there's a media layer here that needs to be satisfied as well and there's all sorts of other quote unquote elites but I think down on the street and not these rallies. They're openly allowing people and encouraging. This type of sentiment. Donald trump is running a two part strategy. There's a strategy for the culture war and when he's very clearly come down on the side of America Hassle look and sound a certain way a very authoritarian very white and then the two seventy straight strategy the how do you win the Electoral College. The second piece is what elected officials and people running for office need to figure out how to navigate but that I won the culture dynamic. That's really for everyday citizens to work out in our own communities. The reason why I'm pushing and I think you make very important points when I'm pushing because it seems that not to make light of this but there's an aspect of this that what happens at Maga- rally should just stay at AMAC rally and if they think they can get away with that and then in the green rooms and in the establishment and the TV even Fox claim him that it didn't happen they somehow will struggle thread this needle into that point for your now says take a look at Mike Pence also doing that and I suppose the question is what what happens to this dance. If even on Fox what happens at the MAG rally doesn't stay there take a look president wasn't pleased about it and he was and the president's been very clear about that. You have a chance to say it right now. Well don't do it again. Maze out your message Major. The president was very clear was he that he wasn't happy about gotta get he. He might make an effort to speak out about their just playing US right. They want us to be having this exact conversation and trying to having us to be whether or not that was racist whether or not they meant that they do mean seen it because they designed a racist America. No they designed by accident but by choice every single day the fact that there are families being separated the fact that there are kids in cages the fact that today it's deportations or being expedited the fact that it is okay all of a sudden into chant can't sent her back that is a design strategy and that is them using racism as a weapon no that that is the basis of what we're overseeing and it is they want us to have this conversation but we know that that is exactly the America that they promised on day one and that is the America that he will let me let me play for you. Also the way trump aides are defending this. I mean I think the thing about the president tweeting is on the one hand. It may be very ugly and requires some sort of accountability on the other hand it. It does add transparency because you can see now. There is a written record of him writing sending these go back home right so then when people chanted we know that they are repeating when he wrote not the other way around and this is the last piece of Fox sound. I'm GONNA play for you. It is worth witnessing struggling to deal with it because they don't want to fully defend that. I don't think they were saying send her back as much as they're saying. These views are repugnant some people that trump rally make some innocent little chat that border fund people having fun. It's a takeoff on locker up citizens of this country in North Carolina. Having a little fun may be getting carried away. They chant some pretty bad stuff for the football game. Politics is a tough sport this this is a cover for what is actually deeply personal deeply painful policy for many people of Color Right the same guy who's on Fox News defending this. It's the same guy in the White House who is orchestrating policies under the rubric of the Statue of Liberty doesn't stand for immigration and Freedom Freedom Right. You're talking about reducing the number of refugees to zero. They're talking about a wall at the border. There are policies that are part and parcel of all of this rhetoric and that is what in getting distracted by Donald Trump tweets we often miss is that they are looking looking to put into our system vision of America that unfortunately may outlast Donald Trump right and as you say it's it's not just fact check what they're saying but also understand that as the context of the appeal and the policies they're trying to shape. There's evidence tonight what I'm making sure people understand that there's evidence that they are worried. They're losing and that's why there's some backtracking. Now you're Hawk and Paulo Ramos. Thanks to both of you with Bob. Mueller said to testify this week. We're getting new details and we have quite the guest the one and only Neil Cacho former solicitor general to explain what will happen when we're back in thirty seconds Bob testimony on Wednesday. We'll mark the eighty ninth time he's actually faced congress in some fashion. This is far from his first Rodeo and we do know he makes the point of being prepared while the exact plans for Wednesday remains a closely guarded secret the New York Times reporting Mullah's practices to meet late into the evenings with staff or days ahead head of congressional appearances studying binders of material and treating the prep a bit like a mock presidential debate with AIDS playing particular members of Congress most likely to be spoiling for a fight back with before opening arguments series former acting Solicitor General O.`Neil Kochav who's argued dozens of cases before the Supreme Court good to see you good to see you. There's been so much talk about the substance what's in the report. What will he say we all understand how most hearings and you know this better than many how can devolve and this was discussed a little bit earlier in the show? I WANNA play some vintage 2013 muller with the devolution of a particularly difficult member of Congress. Take a look. Your facts are not altogether -gether point out specific finish might point out specifically syrup. You're GonNa call me a liar. You need to point out specifically. Where any facts wrong? We went to the mosque pro you Boston prior to to Boston your Boston. Which Mullen are we seeing which more we're GONNA see Wednesday? I suspect we're going to see both so I mean look. There's a lot of great decent members of Congress both on the Republican and Democratic side who asked good questions Christians but I think muller is right to prepare for questions from what can be termed the banana wing of the Republican Party of which you know that representative and there's some others are there so I think we're gonNA see some weird questions but I suspect that that <hes> Muller's prepared for those as well we discussed and I've quoted some of your interesting questions that you would pose to him. When you see these new reports that the Bar Justice Department continues to try to narrow what will come out of this hearing? What does that say to you yeah? I'm extremely concerned. I don't think it's just narrow. I think it looks like they're trying to gag muller and trying to say that anything that's not in the report is presumptively privileged and Muller so by the book I suspect that he will that will influence him. Greatly what Barr and others are trying to say in terms of squelching. That's big coming from you. Let's pause on that. I used the the more looser broad term of narrow. You're saying you view this new reporting as Bill Bar Gagging Muller and leaning into what Barnardo's moves muller whether he agrees or not which is the rule if the political report is right then that does seem to me what it's about now. Here's a good example of where I think there's going to be a problem so we know Muller's by the book but the books actually changed from the time he turned in the the report to now because he turned in the report and said I can't indicted sitting president and indeed a corollary of that is I can't even accuse someone of saying I would have indicted your label you a criminal criminal if I can't indict you because you're not going to have a process to defend yourself so far a month later goes before the cameras and C._B._S.. News and says Oh I think Muller could have reached a conclusion about whether president trump committed crimes. That's a perfect example of how the book has changed and exactly the kind of question. The Democrats should be leading the hearing. What let me push you a little bit viewers of our recurring segments? No usually I just listen and learn from you and you have a lot more litigation experience than I ever did but I wonder whether respectfully you might sound like a little bit wishful thinking if the logical point you make is supposed to mean that Bob Mueller is going to go farther. I think you're you're right. The logic of what Mr Bar said would open the door but isn't everything we know about Bob Mueller that if he didn't go farther than ex report he's not kind of go farther on Wednesday. The whole point is by the book the book said in before he turned in the report according to him he thought the book said I can't indict. I can't even label you. A criminal. Now bar comes along a month later trying to criticize saying actually that's what the Book Doc says the book allows you to do you think he will go. I I think he absolutely should go further now. This is going to be in fact. I think that's the job right. If you're a special counsel you've got to follow the regulations and what the Attorney General tells you the rules are he's saying this is what the rule is so absolutely I think it's fully within his powers and indeed. I don't see how he can't answer that. I'll make you a deal counselor. Let's meet up some other Monday and talk about this. I'd love that before. I let you go I want. I WanNa ask you about something that you drew our attention to very important a little bit off. The beaten path is so called emergency appeals the Supreme Court you look at how Bush used them. They're six Obama four and Bom Twenty eight by trump emergency requests sometimes because they're losing so much explained yeah so you can make an emergency request here the Solicitor General to the Supreme Court when you lose a case in the trial court or the Court of appeals you do it really rarely. I think I might have done at once when I was there thinking Obama we did it. Once every the other year on average four times eight years and trump is doing it an astounding twenty eight times we haven't seen anything like this and the question is what's going on and I think what's going on to things and it's supported by reporting in the New York Times and other places of last couple of days number. Number one is the trump administration doesn't really care about the law. Their view is even if we lose in court hey we've signal to our base that we're tough on inauguration or whatever it's all performance and indeed they have the lowest rate of success in federal in federal litigation of any administration and I think ever in the history of since statistics have been tracked so that's a that's a really fascinating flag and it's it actually is the legal version of fighting without regard to the outcomes because he wants to show fight as you say and I gotta got to fit in a break but it makes me wonder are they tired of winning Neil Konczal eagle-eyed and we'll do it again. If you're interested in catching more kneel M._S._N._B._C. dot com slash opening arguments is where this anarchist reports are including several several telling you everything you need to get ready for Wednesday's hearing no popcorn included now coming up. We have a special Monday fallback because I got Andrew Yang and Jermaine dupree here also trump critic Mark Sanford may challenge trump in the primary. We'll get into that live tonight also trump pushing his own Florida resort to host big government meeting why that's a conflict and potentially unconstitutional <music> consider Donald Trump's very first presentation after winning the election wasn't about jobs or immigration or the cabinet. No first thing on his mind was his business. These papers are all just a piece <music> of the many many companies that are being put into trust to be run by my two sons and I hope at the end of eight years I'll come back and I'll say oh you did a good job otherwise if they do a bad job I'll say you fired trump lead with self-interests defending that decision to be the first person to ever keep profiting off a business while serving as president claiming there'd be no conflicts or self-enrichment now trump is blatantly leaning into the very same conflict check out this brand new the story that he's pitching this struggling barral resort as a place to host and profit off one of the biggest international summits in existence the G. Seven trump has gone from using his campaign attention to plugged Arou- to now trying to use your government government to get paid the best course with some of the players that just walked off. They said this is as good as it gets. Durell where right now we have the world golf championships by wral in Miami. It was a mess now. It's <music> the hottest resort including barral in Miami you know Durell as you know durell which I own iconic asset some of the do Arale and Miami why would something so iconic need to be sold so hard well drowsing bleeding profit slightly really down forty one million since two thousand sixteen and this is where trumps conflicts mix with desperation because despite all that Promo there's still a strongly negative view of trump is president and hotel customers are not allotted like the electoral uh-huh college being unpopular matters experts now say rows hitting all these problems because of the negative connotation associated with the trump brand trump may have run for president to burnish his brand but being president is hurting it if Arou- host the g seven notice his prophets would come from foreign governments. That's more than a conflict of interest. It could be an unconstitutional foreign gift. The very issue trump is currently defending in court in a major suit by members of Congress. We'll keep you posted on all of it now. When we come back a fallback special tonight with twenty twenty Andrew Yang and Germain Du pre time now for a special edition of fallback joined by hip-hop executive producer and Songwriter Germain do creed collaborated with all sorts sorts of artists usher Mariah Carey Jay Z. Konya a member of the songwriters hall of Fame Grammy Winning artist he worked with Mariah Carey on? We belong together his new documentary power influence in hip hop. The remarkable rises so so Def covers all the hits both labels were focused on Iraq just focus on being able to do so so Def Don Chichi Jamais DuPrey. I think that he she is she's a rap keys. ITY DEVAUX and for his first ever appearance on a fallback twenty twenty presidential candidate Andrew Yang Tech Entrepreneur and philanthropist in twenty twelve administration changed say selected him as a champion of change training people in Tech. Thanks for both of you for being here. I love seeing the two together being here that's right. I think I guess that makes you the I love it hanging twins Yin Yang twins and they called his they call his supporters the Yang Gang gang gang gang gang hanging you gotta go there. There's a wrap their young getting media online. I believe produce one. I love it. Andrew needs to fall back. All I think that New York Knicks need to fall back on so many levels. Oh my Gosh I've been a fan since I was a kid and so the summer league knicks skipped shaking hands with their opponents after they'd lost third straight game and I said no way you guys can't be displaying poor sportsmanship on top losing the game on top of the epic mismanagement of the team. I mean it's like a team now. Composed overpaid role players after they missed out on Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving and everyone else to be an fan. It's never been harder. It's never been worse like if you're going to be bad you at least need to be good sports about it. You know it's funny about this from Atlanta Style but the New Yorker say I've been a knicks fan my whole life and I think that sometimes you gotta pull away in order for people to get their mom rate. Yeah you're going to end an abusive relationship and that's what being an extent Germain and who needs to fall back Arby's I remember talking about. I need to fall all the way back. What is what is what is what is a meat based vegetables? What does it meet base barbies making waves because they're making carrots with me yeah? That sounds like they're trying to make fun of being really feels like did just like all this Vegan talk and all these other restaurants and your client base. Let's do something different. I think it's a way to have meat as your mean and then meet your side and then meet as your other side. It's just more ways to get meat on the plate. Well also if if this is me this is Arby's me care at a certain point. Just get a burger but that's what I'm saying. They tried to attract me. That's what I'm saying. I think they want me to come in and say I want to carry. They're trying to trick. You tricked me eating meat. Maybe it's four husbands who want to seem like they're eating healthy to their wife because like wash me these carrots but really they're eating a stake. I'm married so my fallback is also a little bit. Consumption food related which is starbucks has uncorked this tie-dye Frappuccino. I don't actually partake in frappes. I'm. More of a black coffee person but basically tie is something that is just fun. It may be ugly fashion but it's fun and people are now hating on the tide Frappuccino and I'm telling them to fall back because you can have tied drink if you want as far as I'm concerned. I'm cool with it's like when you're a kid you get one drink softer Lou ice cream colored. The rainbow is part of it. My kids choice any ice cream. Rainbow sprinkles wrinkles on that. It's just a color thing. How do you feel about tie? I don't know if you have a policy on that. You know I just couldn't pull it off. As a kid were tied. I have people were like why the Asia guy where you know like the last person who'd by bill to pull off the hippies sixties tied at Souda essence fast. I'm good with we're tied down it ahead. What does that say? Is that a seventies throwback. It's not just like to wait it. You know it was a white jump when we tied so they had a whole bunch of all overnight. What else is on your fallback lists Jemaine? I'll dependability right. They spell the bill wrong and I was. I have a question. Is it normal to who to capitalize to be in the bill. If it wasn't paid the bill would you capitalize to be I don't know are you good at spelling android. Yeah I was a bit of a nerd. I want spelling bees and whatnot so is that a thing to capitalize the being the bill that'd be should be capitalized. That's my expert opinion. Oh okay because if you look at the French love Bill. It's like woman or the girl both O._B.. The it is okay through all right. We've got the kind of judgment we need in the White House okay well. That's what I'm talking about. Jamaica Pre Andrew Yang and what other judgment do we need the White House well former Republican governor. Mark Sanford is here that we know spelling tests Sir but I'll see you on the other side when we come back. Donald Trump may have another another challenger and it's a Republican name you've probably heard South Carolina Governor and Congressman Mark Sanford who's here right now. He's considering taking on trump. He's no stranger to feuding with the president trump actually helped dislodge him from office after endorsing his primary challenger under and alluding to his past personal problems he's also poised for political fight and has been a vocal critic. Somebody's gotTa Stop Trump. I think it is dangerous. For Our republic. There is no seeming consequence sequence to the president and lies he came to this chamber sent a chilling message to my colleagues. which is if you mess with me? I'll mess with you Mark Sanford thanks for coming on the beat my pleasure thanks if view challenge Donald Trump and republican primary. What is your argument against him bargain against a chief argument against him would be he's in essence led the Republican Party already off to the sidelines relates to the way that we spend money? I mean not so many months ago. Republicans would have been going nuts. It's the budget deal. That's now being contemplated. You really don't hear Pete from Republicans. This idea of financial realism or financial conservativism used to be a hallmark of the Republican Party. He has said himself that I'm the king of debt. It's something that doesn't bother me. The problem is he always had his daddy to bail them out when he got into trouble. We do not have that luxury as Americans Americans and we're in a profound mathematics problem. If you look at the deficits that were running you look at the accumulated size of the debt that we have now and you look at spending. That's in place Republican. We need to have conversation as Republicans. About what do we believe. Do we believe what we used to say about concerns. What I want to ask you about your your point? Here is in line with the economic facts and I've had trump officials on this show and talked to them and press them with the rising deficits the type of spending they're doing that. They were so critical when Obama did it but does that mean that your campaign rises or falls on whether the trump base has been consistent about its beliefs or whether everything goes out the window because it wasn't ever about the deficit well my my belief is I mean you have to remember. I've been in politics both as a two-term governor in twelve years in the United States House of Representatives. I Bet I've had thousands upon thousands of different meeting with folks at the grassroots level and so I don't think that their belief system that small business person that I've talked to that soccer mom trying to get the kids to and from soccer practice whatever the case might be you think about those people that make up the Republican Party. I don't I think their belief system has disappeared. I do think that leadership from Washington has disappeared on this front and that's what I'm exploring over these thirty days as to whether go versus no go. What are you know from as you mentioned you're longtime? Service is a pretty conservative Republican your time in the house. If you're gonNA take him on you know. He doesn't hold back about him yeah yeah so. Are you going to hold back or that's an understatement. The Human Pinata have a whole lot of appeal but so let me let me tell you where I'm going with this. Are you going to uncork and let everyone know everything you know about what the Republican Caucus really thinks about what Paul Ryan really thought of him back in the day about what Lindsey Graham release says behind closed doors isn't one of your greatest assets your ability to take us into ended those secret cloakrooms where we hear all these hints and rumors and leaks that maybe some of these Republicans don't even actually abide by what Donald Trump does. Is that going to be something. That's off or your general point. I think to your general zero point there is something of a conspiracy of silence on that front but some of it's already been exposed to me. I think that Tim Alberta just did an interesting right up on on Paul Ryan and what he believes by interviewing people like someone had to tell him the stories yeah I didn't. I wasn't a part of that particular piece but I think he was rather revealing on what Paul Ryan really thought about President Trump talked economics and your story before before I let you go and tossed hardball do you. You think that more people in the Republican caucus in Congress are concerned about Donald Trump's management the chaos and the race baiting or do you think they're actually secretly fine with all of it. I don't think they're fine with that but again. I want to go back to the core what I'm trying to get to the bottom of over these thirty days which is I particularly don't think they're fine with the way in which Washington spending their money these days anything else we should know before let's go. I got thirty seconds thirty seconds. Yes Sir what I'd say is. We're working our way toward the most predictable financial crisis in the history of man and it will impact everyone of us and our hopes and dreams for our kids if we don't get this thing right Mark Sanford considering a run from the deficit right of Donald Trump governor congressman. Thanks for coming on the beat my pleasure take good care. Yes certain if you jump in the primary we'll be sure to have you back and that doesn't for the tonight appreciate you spend some time with us. I'll be back live from Washington.

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A Prayer for When God Closes a Door

Your Daily Prayer

05:44 min | Last week

A Prayer for When God Closes a Door

"Hey listeners we are so excited to tell you about the two new podcasts. that life audio has available now. The first is rise up to raise up. Faith built kids. And the second is mama take heart. Both shows are for parents who are trying to navigate faithful children in a strange world. If you're at all a part of a child's life whether a parent grandparent family member teacher or mentor and are looking to understand gen z. Kids and how to reach them with the love of god. We hope you'll go to life audio dot com and check out our shows again. That's rise up to raise up faith build kids and mama take heart Prayer for win. God closes a door by betsy to cruise read by liam martin the steps of manner established by the lord and he delights in his way when he falls he will not be hurled headlong because the lord is the one who holds his hand psalm. Thirty seven twenty three through twenty four. If god didn't shut any doors. How would we know which ones to go through. My friend challenged me with this question. During a hard season when our family was processing disappointment my high school senior received a rejection letter from his dream university and months of hard work extra tests essays. An interview all went down the drain together with his hopes. We usually think of god guiding our path by opening doors for us but in reality he also shuts them when we don't get the job. Our child doesn't make the team or the deal on the new house falls through our disappointment can leave us feeling discouraged so today's verse reminds us in christ we can trust god to order and establish our steps however sometimes he also allows roadblocks on our path in the margin of his bible next to psalm. Thirty seven twenty three. The steps of a man are established by the lord nineteenth century evangelist. George mueller made this note and the stops also if you're going through a season of obstacles setbacks and closed doors remember that both your steps and your stops are ordered by god whether he opens or closes doors. God delights in leading you down the path. He has marked out for you when god closes the door you can trust. He does it out of love. He has a better plan than you can imagine. You can also be sure. God will open another door for you before long. And he's preparing you for whatever lies ahead while you wait on him to act remember his faithfulness take heart and remember god delights. In your way even obstacles caused you to stumble. He will hold your hand and steady your heart. Let's pray heavenly father. Even when i don't understand what you're doing in my life i praise you for your faithfulness power when i feel disappointed. I'll remember your steadfast love. Help me to trust that you are ordering my steps. According to your perfect plan for my life you are my faithful shepherd. Give me the grace. I need to trust your leading. Thank you for the doors. You open and for the doors you close comfort and strengthened my heart when discouragment in doubt come. Help me believe you have good plans to bring blessing into. My life. enabled me to take courage as i wait on you to act in response to my prayers. Lord take me by the hand and lead me down the path that you have chosen for me. Show me when it's time to wait. And when i need to move ahead thank you for your faithful and steadfast love. I will rest in it today. In jesus name. Amen

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Special Counsel Robert Mueller Testifies Before Congress

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17:19 min | 1 year ago

Special Counsel Robert Mueller Testifies Before Congress

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from frame bridge they make custom framing easy and affordable frame your art in photos at frame bridge dot com or visit their new stores located on Fourteenth Street and Bethesda row. Get fifteen percent off your first frame bridge order with Code N._P._R.. Hi I'm matty and I'm a scripts college student currently interning at the House of Representatives right now. I'm first in line outside the House Judiciary Committee hearing room. I'll be camping out all night long to hopefully attend the Muller hearing tomorrow morning. This podcast was recorded at no way. I saw her on twitter today little. Did you know little. Did I know some people just come back around in your life. At least expected expected time is six twelve pm on Wednesday July twenty fourth by the time you hear this all hopefully be in the room where it happens. Enjoy the show. I really appreciate her. Get up and go get him this. Yeah get some sleep Gal. Hey there. It's the impair politics podcast. I'm Scott detro- I cover politics. I'm Susan Davis I cover Congress and I'm Carrie Johnson. I covered the Justice Department so before we get into Robert Muller's testimony today I have to say like I really hope that when I ask the two of you questions you don't just stonewall and say I'm not GonNa get into that. Otherwise podcasts going to be really awkward. I'm just GonNa give you one word answers like correct no correct. How about a lot of double negatives so clearly we're talking about the way that Robert Mueller her testified today in front of Congress testified before two House committees? This was something that had been talked about anticipated for months sue. What was your big thought on how this all went down you know my big question going into today was will we see or hear anything that moves the needle on impeachment? That's obviously a big question on Capitol Hill that we follow pretty consistently I would say I'm not sure that today was something that really moved that needle because there really was no new information divulge it was as Democrats intended <hes> to to get Robert Muller to say the things that was in the report they've sort of lowered expectations going into the hearing that they were even expecting new news but that it was important for the public who did not read the report and many members of Congress who may have have not read the report to hear Robert Muller confirm on the record on television many of the fundamental conclusions of the report Kerry since the day Robert Mueller was appointed special counsel you have been banging the drum in this podcast that Robert Mueller was not the Secret Resistance Robert Muller wasn't going to take down Donald Trump through magical thinking Robert Muller was not going to color outside the lines and he didn't any in the most legalistic halting sometimes. Times a hard of hearing way Robert Miller did try to demolish some of the talking points. The White House has been putting out there since the investigation began under questioning from Democrats and some Republicans he said this was not a witch hunt and when Donald Trump called your investigation which onto that was also false was not like to think so yes he said the president had credibility problems in his written responses to the investigators he said it would have been vital to interview president trump and it would take too long and he said that the cases were valid that he brought and that his investigators had a lot of integrity but he said in that one public appearance before this that he didn't particularly want to testify and it seemed pretty clear today. He didn't really want to testify he really I wanNA testify especially in the morning the first session which was about obstruction of justice and president trump's conduct or as Democrats would call it misconduct. He was really really reluctant to say much. He got more talkative and a little peppier though Scott when we got to the question of Russia's attack on American elections in how in his view it's still happening as we're sitting here today they're doing is we sit here and they expect to do it. <hes> during the next campaign let's walk through the way that both parties approached this and I will will listen to a little bit of an exchange between Jerry Nadler the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and Robert Mueller the President has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him but that is not what your report said is it correct that is not what the report said so the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice is accurate that is correct and what about total exoneration. Did you actually totally exonerate the president know though sue this approach of basically saying what you wanted to say with pauses for Robert Moore to agree with you did not always work smoothly for Democrats. I feel like there are a lot of times where they tried to lead him down a road and he just wasn't interested in playing join ball. There was elements of that theater to in which I think they were trying to tease out muller to make more value judgments or see what he thinks should have happened and he was really dogged about sticking to the script and giving one word answers he also which was appoint negotiated before this hearing was is he was not willing to read the report to them and I think there was some attempts by members to try and get him to say these words out loud. He clearly didn't WanNa do that. You know I have said in this podcast and before that I know Robert Muller did not want to come testify but it isn't important exertion of Congress to be able to say you don't get to decide that right like Congress decides who gets to come and speak to them. I do think Muller has been very mindful of the fact that he does not want to be used as a political football and giving terse one word answers. It makes it a lot harder to politicize what he said he at the same time though when Republicans asked him some questions I think <hes> Republican from Colorado asked me a question about whether president trump could be prosecuted after leaving office since the D._O._J.. Says you can't prosecute a sitting president. Muller was quite clear. He said yes. Presidents can't be prosecuted after leaving office that was a question that kind of backfired in some sense and it was a simple yes or no. Is there anything that either of you learn from Robert Muller's answers that you didn't know before. I don't think we learn new information in terms of facts. I think one of the moments that was very interesting to me was in his testimony before the Intelligence Committee where as we said he was so reluctant to make value judgments or speculate but was asked about wikileaks and <hes> the president's praise of wikileaks and it was the first and pretty clear <hes> sort of value judgment he weighed in about the president praising wikileaks saying it was it's disappointing saying that it was not good to see <hes> people in a position of power praising people that are essentially trying to undermine elections. This wikileaks is like a treasure trove Illinois Democrat. Mike Quickly Donald Trump October thirty first twenty sixteen boy. I love reading those wikileaks Donald Trump November fourth twenty sixteen when he those quotes disturb you this director. I'm not sure that I would say you react well. It's probably problematic. Attic is is an understatement in terms of whether to play displays in terms of giving some. I don't know hope or some boost to what is it should be illegal activity. I actually learned a few new things <hes> <unk> a Robert Mueller was asked did anybody at the Justice Department instruct you nat to investigate the president's personal finances. He said No. He did not get directed not investigate that but he was asked in didn't answer whether he got trump's tax returns Maher also said there's an ongoing F._B._i.. Investigation into people close to president trump is current or former aides I guess former aides and whether they were vulnerable to blackmail or compromise by the Russians and ongoing investigations ongoing investigation instigation interest so we talked about the democratic approach here they were really hoping to <hes>. I don't know if defibrillators or like jumping my car is the best <hes> metaphor for the the the ongoing effort trying to get some steam back into the the push for impeachment was some of their roles are also just highlighting a report they feel like has not been getting the attention and deserves Republicans had a very different approach <hes> Devon Nunez the top Republican on the House intelligence committee had a different metaphor. Welcome everyone to the last gasp the Russia collusion conspiracy theory politically. I will say this both of these committees. Both the judiciary and intelligence committees are filled with Republicans who are some of the president's strongest defenders Devon Nunez's one. Jim Jordan is another. Her what we heard from them today was largely an echo chamber of the president himself and his attacks against the Justice Department against the special counsel's investigation and against what started it all. They existed today as a backstop for the president student. Let's remember this in twenty sixteen the F._B._i.. Did something they probably have it done before they spied on to American citizens associated with the Presidential Campaign George Papadopoulos Carter Page with Carter page age they went to the Pfizer court they use the now famous dossier as part of the reason they were able to get the warrant and spy on Carter Page for a better part of a year with Mr Papadopoulos. It didn't go to the court. They used human sources. All all kinds of the moment happened operas joins the trump campaign. You got all these people all around the world starting to swirl around him names like Haufer Downer Myths Thomson Meeting in Rome Lung and all kinds of places the F._B._i.. Even <unk> sent even sent a lady posing as somebody else went by the name as return even dispatched heard the London despite all Mr Papadopoulos Follow Jim Jordan or in these hearings at times they were hard to follow right they they are bringing the attention to a lot of things that were in the report. It is not surprising if you listen to conservative media if you listen to how this investigation has been covered it is very much in the conservative view that the root origin story of this investigation was flawed from the start and we're not we haven't heard the end of that yet. Remember the Inspector General at the Justice Department is investigating some of his intelligence and so as John Durham the U._S. Attorney in Connecticut who's doing some kind of unspecified review of what the intelligence community new in did in two thousand sixteen moreover Lindsey Graham who runs the Senate Judiciary Committee says he wants to call George Popadopoulos as a witness in his own inquiry so we're going to go farther and farther down this path whether we want to or not but doesn't that greatest hits of of critiques of this investigation undercut the simultaneous argument that look at exonerated president trump. I not necessarily I think Republicans would say the report did exonerate president trump which is a separate question from what what happened in the Justice Department to lead to the beginning of the special counsel investigation it is a very broad attack against every aspect of coming at the president and just to be clear Robert Muller Today said his report did not exonerate Donald Trump and Republicans gins also use the hearings today to attack their democratic colleagues saying they were simply using these hearings and Muller's testimony to build a political case against the president. Here's Ohio Republican Steve Shabat. My Democratic colleagues were very disappointed. In your report they were expecting you to say something along. The lines of here's why president trump deserves to be impeached much as Ken Starr did relative to President Clinton back about twenty years ago well you didn't so their strategy had to change now the alleged there's plenty of evidence in your report impeach the president but the American people just didn't read it and this hearing today is their last best hope to build up some sort of ground own swell across America to impeach President Trump. That's what this is really. All about. The congressman has a point in that yes these hearings are being used about the question of whether they will move forward with impeachment <hes> as of the M._p._r.. Count we have ninety indy five lawmakers right now on record supporting impeachment ninety four Democrats and one independent Justin Amash he was a Republican who left the party partly over its response to this investigation. Only one of them have come out since the hearing so it hasn't exactly released the floodgates of Democrats getting on the impeachment train and we will talk a lot more about that and what happens next after this quick break. This message comes from N._P._R.. Sponsor I._B._M.. Technology is becoming more open data more accessible and the world more innovative I._B._M.. is combining their industry expertise with the open source leadership of Red Hat to bring you more freedom more security more flexibility. Let's unlock the world's potential. Let's put smart to work learn more at I._B._M.. Dot Com slash red hat on this season of rough translation from N._p._R.. Yeah we are following people who break the rule mean lying is part of the business in my opinion. The best revenge against Isis is to be humane supposed to pinch episodes every other Wednesday subscribed and we are back. It was pretty clear hear that president trump was going to be watching these hearings all day. Once Robert Muller wrapped up president trump came out of the White House on his way to an event in had this to say so we had a very good day today the Republican Party our country. There was no defense of what Robert Muller was trying to defend in all fairness to Robert Muller whether his performance was a bad one or a good one. I think everybody understands that. I think like everybody understands what's going on. There was no defense for this ridiculous hoax which the thing about Robert Muller's performance that it seems to me he wasn't really invested in the outcome of whether this game momentum to the impeachment. Richmond push like a lot of democratic leaders. Were <hes> sue. We were talking about this real quickly before the break. What happens next with that well? It's important to remember that this wasn't a one and done episode on Capitol Hill Ray you know there are five or six committees investigating any number of behavior in the in the White House in with the president also beyond the scope of the Mueller investigation on things like the president's personal tax returns that they're trying to get <hes> I will say that Speaker Pelosi and the chairman had a press conference Wednesday evening <hes> Chairman Nadler spoke to those next steps he did note that Congress is in the courts right now trying to fight many of these issues the two questions up next he said were there in court trying to get grand jury evidence that was in the Miller report that has not been turned over to Congress as well as has a what could be a protracted fight over getting similar testimony from former White House counsel Don mcgann Carey. Do we have any sense what the timing could be on on those court cases. I think that they may have a hard case to make with respect to getting the grand enjoy material in part because they haven't formally launched an impeachment inquiry if they did that they'd be on much firmer ground in <hes> convincing a federal judge in here in DC turnover that information of them. They haven't done it yet with respect to Don mcgann Don mcgann in is also a really really reluctant witness <hes> he <hes> has hired his own lawyers and he will try to fight this too. I'm wondering if either of you think on the political side of this on the public opinion side of this a bunch of Democrats came forward for impeachment the report I came out a few more several more came forward when he first spoke publicly but only one person came forward today like if this didn't move the ball. Do you see anything else moving the ball I duNno. It's hard to be predictive. I will say that I do think the two people that Democrats I always said they need to hear from before they can draw a definitive conclusion about impeachment is Robert Muller and Don mcgann so I think if there is a victory in the court where where a judge says executive privilege does not apply to Don mcgann's testimony on this matter and they can in get him up on Capitol Hill that will be another moment similarly to today in which you know the public and the media and everyone is looking to see what Don mcgann says. I was really struck by the statements of Elijah Cummings who runs the House Oversight Committee at this news conference on Wednesday evening. He said he's begging the American people to pay attention. He says this is not just a fight about now but it's a fight about democracy and then in three hundred or four hundred years people are going to be studying these issues. I wonder how those remarks fell on the ears of people all who run run the democratic operation in house standing next to him who are reluctant to initiate impeachment proceeding that is going to do it for today's podcast. We'll be back tomorrow with our weekly roundup if you missed it. This is actually our second podcast today. Nina Totenberg and Domenico Montanaro interviewed Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader GINSBURG. If you check your podcast feed <hes> that interview is there. She had some serious critiques for the Twenty Twenty presidential.

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Introduction to Volume 1 (Mueller Report, Nov. 2020 update)

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Introduction to Volume 1 (Mueller Report, Nov. 2020 update)

"This is the mullahs report. Audio presented by government unfiltered. I'm dan williams the miller report or the report on the investigation into russian interference in the twenty. Sixteen presidential election was released on april eighteen. Twenty nineteen since that time we've received two updates to the document following court battles over the release of additional content with the latest release on november. Two twenty twenty. I'm going back and re recording some sections correcting small errors. I didn't catch the first time through and repackaging the sections into their larger volumes. I'll also be archive in the original episodes but they will continue to be available at mullah report audio dot com. I'm going back and re recording and re releasing these. Because i feel as though. I all of you who have listened and supported this effort. I also want to have the most accurate and most up-to-date version available for free for anyone to listen as i record this. This podcast just surpassed and incredible milestone one million downloads. So i really wanna thank everyone of you. Who has listened shared the episodes and donated. Maybe you're hearing this for the first time or maybe you want to continue to support my ongoing effort to release public documents in audio format. Either way this is being created using the value for value. Model if you find value in what i'm doing. Whatever this effort is worth to you. You can go to mullah report audio dot com to support via paypal or you can go to patriotdepot dot com slash timber lane media and now the introduction to volume one from the report on the investigation into russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election. The miller report report on the investigation into russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election volume. One of two special counsel robert. S mueller the third third edition november. Two twenty twenty. This edition of the report contains the unredacted information released. June twenty twenty and november twenty twenty. It also improves the readability of the previous editions by removing references to legal material appendices and footnotes within. The report added a references to the approximate length of the redacted material. These changes were made to help with the listening experience of the audiobook version. Introduction to volume one. This report is submitted to the attorney. General pursuant to twenty-eight cfr section six hundred point eight c which states that at the conclusion of the special counsels work he shall provide the attorney general confidential report explaining the prosecution or a declaration decisions. The special counsel reached. The russian government interfered in the two thousand sixteen presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of russian government operations began to surface in mid twenty sixteen in june the democratic national committee and response team publicly announced that russian hackers compromised its computer network. Releases of materials hacks. The public reporting soon attributed to the russian government began that same month additional releases followed in july through the wikileaks with further releases in october and november in late july. Two thousand sixteen soon after wikileaks first release of stolen documents. A foreign government contacted the fbi about a may two thousand sixteen encounter with trump campaign foreign policy adviser george popadopoulos popadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the trump campaign had received indications from the russian government that it could assist the campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to democratic presidential candidate. Hillary clinton that information prompted the fbi on july thirty first two thousand sixteen to open investigation into whether individuals associated with the trump campaign were coordinating with the russian government in its interference activities that fall to federal agencies jointly announced that the russian government directed recent compromises of e from us persons and institutions including us political organizations and these thefts in disclosures are intended to interfere with the us election process after the election. Late december two thousand sixteen the united states imposed sanctions on russia for having interfered in the election by early twenty seventeen. Several congressional committees were examining russia's interference in the election within the executive branch. these investigatory efforts ultimately led to the may twenty seventeen appointment of special counsel. Robert s mueller. Third the order appointing the special counsel authorized him to investigate the russian government's efforts to interfere in the two thousand sixteen presidential election including any links or coordination between the russian government and individuals associated with the trump campaign as set forth in detail in this report. The special counsel's investigation established that russia interfered in the two thousand sixteen presidential election principally through to operations. I a russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate donald j trump and disparaged presidential candidate. Hillary clinton second a russian intelligence service conducted computer intrusion operations against entities employees and volunteers working on the clinton campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the russian government and the trump campaign. although the investigation established that the russian government perceived it would benefit from a trump presidency and work to secure that outcome and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through russian efforts. The investigation did not establish the members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government in its election interference activities below described the evidentiary considerations underpinning statements about the results of our investigation and the special counsels charging decisions and we then provide an overview of the two volumes of our report. The report describes actions and events that the special counsel's office found to be supported by the evidence collected in our investigation. In some instances the report points out the absence of evidence or complex in the evidence about a particular factor event in other instances when substantial credible evidence enabled the office to reach a conclusion with competence. The report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred a statement that the investigation did not establish particular. Facts does not mean. There was no evidence of those facts in evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime we applied the framework of conspiracy law not the concept of collusion in doing so. The office recognized that the word collude was used in communications with the acting. Attorney general confirming certain aspects of the investigation scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation but collusion is not a specific offence or theory of liability found in the states code nor is it a term of art and federal criminal law for those reasons the offices focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law in connection with that analysis we address the factual question whether members of the trump campaign coordinated a term that appears in the appointment order with russian election interference activities like collusion coordination does not have a settled definition and federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement task or express between the trump campaign and the russian government on election. Interference matt requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responses to the others actions or interests we applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the trump campaign coordinated with russian government in its election interference activities. The report on our investigation consists of two volumes volume on describes the factual results of the special counsel's investigation of russia's interference in the two thousand sixteen presidential election and its interactions with the trump campaign section one describes the scope of the investigation sections two and three described the principal ways. Russia interfered in the two thousand sixteen presidential election section four describes links between the russian government and individuals associated with the trump campaign section. Five sets forth. The special counsel is charging decisions volume two addresses the president's actions toward the fbi investigation into russia's interference in the two thousand sixteen presidential election and related matters and his actions towards the special counsel's investigation volume two separately states. it's framework and the considerations that guided that investigation. Thank you for listening. To this episode. The show operates on the value for value model. Meaning that we make the show available and you decide what it's worth and from there you can return the value in the way that you choose several ways you can recognize the value of the show. You can support it monetarily either. At muller report audio dot com or you can go to patriotdepot dot com slash timber lane media. You can also share the show by telling people you know about it posting it on social media or you can rate and review the show on apple podcasts or wherever you listen to the show.

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