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Whats NEXT For CaneloKovalev Win Puts KINGNELO at P4P # 1

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Whats NEXT For CaneloKovalev Win Puts KINGNELO at P4P # 1

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Get back back to your life with CBD medic available online and that CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease offer in that you could take power welcome back welcome back ladies and gentlemen we're back is what you wanted. King Mellow show. See where this one is gonNA TAKE US man I. I'm pretty sure we'RE GONNA go down some interesting avenues with this particular show But Kanalelo truly impress me. Men in a Obviously I was always a Kennel fan but I didn't expect would I got to witness and Happy that I was there to catch. Live live and if you watch Canelo Alvarez you was to him brutally brutally brutally clinically knock out one of the world's top light heavyweights He was a Titlis. It's up to you to call him a champion pinner not. I'm not here to debate that at all. I'm not here to let you know he was the best in that division. Maybe at one point in time still in all I made. Did it my duty to to interview anyone that I could and ask them their thoughts on anyone else at sixty one sixty. Who else could do that? Who else could jump up in weight and defeat Kovalev now before the fight? I was Axon. My interviewees you know who can do this. Who could get to win? I never once asked those guys you know. Could whoever they pick. If if that be a Charles the Laura and Andre Reid. Did they think that those guys could get the stoppage over over left that was never even discussed but now that is the topic of conversation right PEOPLE WANNA call Kovalev. Cherry people WANNA call. Oh Him old they wanNA call him done. Why no one pick charl or Andre aid or Gennady to do this and those that did did not pick by stoppage? Did Not say they would pick they would win my staff which I think it was I believe I think it was Chris Mannix maybe this sat down with us and and You know and I think chromatic sat down with us and he said you know Andre could possibly do it stinking out the joint. If I'm not mistaken was the words that he used Obviously Andrei Mora. Who else someone else might've picked Andre to be able to possibly do this but not many not many you know especially socially not via knockout? That is important. The knockout you know Because people they're trying to diminish what Canal Alvarez has done they're trying to be little what it is that he did Moving up to way classes. We seen gene Cable Rosado move up one way class and not be able to do this versus Gennady Lufkin. Then we've seen Calbert move up two-way classes and not be able to do this versus Connecticut. Lufkin we seem calm. Move up two-way classes weight class and a half whatever and not be able to do it versus Camello we see. Mikey move up two weight classes and not be able to do it versus Earl Spence. So people are scratching their heads. They're like well. How did this do knockout Kovolev but not triple G or Daniel Jacobs? I think it was the shot for me. It was the shot because I never thought that canola would get the knockout but it was the perfectly placed shot and everything became before it see that left Hook right there. If you're watching on youtube the left hook is really what what started everything. It was an equilibrium shop. Had caught him behind the ear her and it set them up to land the right hand when Cannella wanted because if you could see he holds the right hand until he throws it Now obviously I didn't watch any thing but I'm hearing from my viewers and listeners Do Jack might have or might not have said that he felt it was a dive in and I think there is an internet internet. Bit Of Internet chatter that this could be perceived as a dive. I think that's disrespectful. This respectful By Do Jack is a boxer so he has eased within his right. You know he will be able to deal deal with that with Kovolev on a personal level But as far as us. I don't think that we should be saying that. I think the Kovolev is proven. Kovolev is he's never ducked anyone outside of Donald Stevenson and we all know it wasn't a true duck. It was a duck of of networks. You know I have a deal with this network. I'M NOT GONNA ruin that deal for one fight other than that. He fought everyone. We asked them to. No one is telling me the need to take a dive and this isn't a pay per view event so explain where the extra money would have came from for him to take this dive or you telling me. He took the dive based off. The initial purse. Shit makes no sense bunch of Weirdos which you are the never been in the ring but Kovalev. My hat goes off often You know he had a good career. I think his retirement time I could see easily. beat him coming back for another fight. I know he's got to fight. Deal with dissolve. So I don't think he's retiring and maybe a good win. You know on the way out would he needs Kinda like Anthony Kerala Just so he could be feeling good about his ego or whatnot but Yeah I mean come on you you you you you you you get knocked out by one hundred sixty pounder it's It's time to start. You know checking out what's going on especially actually for this camp right like I. It's hard to believe the buddy mcgirt didn't Try to work on the body and the stamina like take. My man still got tired knowing what was coming he knew the game plan. Everybody knew the game plan. And that didn't mean anything that you couldn't and even do nothing so jabs all night and people are upset about that jabs all night ness come on man. It's a fixes in. I mean is easy urge though jabs other than commit for shots when you know you encountered a man was getting counted to the body you you guys acting like another wasn't working you know I don't know maybe he could have been trying to go around the god of Cannella when Cannella was a hijab and he was hitting him because he was sending them up with the JAB by Pat Pat on the guard. Dinnie should came around with right. I'm sure he tried that sometimes. but again Cannella was faster and obviously A bit stronger. You know but I'll be going to go ahead and start taking phone calls. ADO worn. Yeah but I don't even have that right now unfortunately let's go out to What have we got here? Let me see so this is all ready already ready. Okay so we're GONNA go to Kevin in Chicago. What up Kevin? Okay so now. Jump up in weight class and he'd be rocky rocky fielding and jumped up play. Click in B. Two Nello maybe Cova with that Cobra the two months turning around around. I'm I'm curious. What do you think the more impressive win canal company up and wait and be rocking Cova or staying at enjoy clash in fighting crime kind of like Jewish odd? No I think it's more impressive to be cove live especially the way you've been on the hydration clause. Yeah he was out on the hydration close. Yeah because Asto He provides super fights all have some SORTA catch way right. Floyd had to move up to a certain way Koto making nullified at a certain way A Pack L. Made Margarito fight at a certain way. This is what happens when you have two big names. I mean you. You weren't expecting one hundred and sixty pound. Just go up there right now I think he he wakes trained him. He took Coca Cola. Kovolev look Hill ill he. Didn't you had to shine on. You was It was way trained way too much weight drain Hooks No. He was nearly knocked out two months ago. Two months ago he was concussed badly. He had no business waiting in short time to one to know he asteroid. Hey Kevin I didn't know you can get concussed to the body because that's that's what your yard hurt him you telling me he can cuss them. The head with body shots did you see him get rocked by that right hand he was. He got his brain Radel. He was knocked from. He was hurt by a punch to the head. I wish you got destroyed headshot nearly stateless go Kevin. That's time brother we take it one Colorado Feel free to call in and we're going to get this thing going. We got these lines open. Yeah it's all to me man. Talk in Canelo L. O. Alvarez powerful pound king we got a looks like we got Joel Online. Talk to meet you. Where where you calling from? Maybe Mrs Serrano Oh seven. Oh four talked to US Charlotte but anyway my Mexican brother like any any money saying it was already being racist bar picking Mellow Tyson. Five years old with sleet and a lot of people saying the state may not everybody's canal. Oh Hey nobody we're not committed brings to me on the ground. He did the chicken dance. I mean so if something is has anything like I said I know way anyway but also like never really did anything to five hundred around. Okay I mean take getting kind of disrespect because you know what I'm saying Oh my tummy longtime ago. They lay which covers things in there. That's why he didn't teach US men so it'd be saying everybody's not and so Yeah great job. Thank you brother Look I. I don't think it was a dive live but People do feel like Kovalev didn't even do anything you know. We got giving quality. CENA plenty of people feel like Kovalev was just jabbing do a Let you go champ because I got to keep the lines free. Unfortunately I'm on the road so I'm using the mobile not the desktop which doesn't allow me to. I don't know how to add. I'm pretty sure I can learn how to add or merge merge but normally on the other on the other it comes right in and says merge So it looks like we got Steve Online. Talk to me Steve. Looks like you dropped off. We'll bring him back in the meantime from the chat. Ah Matt Garcia Cannella. Got A great win. That's what it was in my opinion and people really trying to discredit him The funny the thing is before this fight you see my whole model was who can do. We're doing on Saturday. I would. I asked everyone that. But Steve you ready. Yes Sir we hear you brother Talk to me. Yeah Okay did you see the Post Conference interview No no I did him and in traveling and things like that but what what did he say what stuck out. No look at look like it. Got My You know this this shit I I'll use you these guys listening to your show. They're put on. I'M NOT GONNA mention names but this shit that they're saying about the fix is bullshit that's like that's like saying every whenever your team don't win and other where you say it speaks this the same shit. I wish they would just buckle up. 'cause metro is bringing you. 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These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease another sport. This is bullshit. They're not giving credit and no liquor. No what happens to you. The listen Steve. Honestly we're going to do another show. I don't know when but it's going to be called is Kamilo the new floyd because when Floyd was alive which he still is is but active in boxing. We didn't enjoy his fights. We didn't appreciate his opponents. We ridiculed every single opponent now. It's the cornerstone of our argument. Oh look how he was guerrero all of a sudden now the guerrero fight means something because key Fordham Fordham in all these other people for them but at the time the floor for them we can stand the Guerrero fight. May Donald thing we needed to may down. If I now we talk about the Madonna fight in and how great it was listen we we are of the mindset that we don't appreciate things while they're here but we love him when it's gone doing that that's just the nature of Man. Unfortunately yes you know. I'm a boxing fan. I and I enjoy watching Canelo. Hello and I don't care you know what about him. I think he puts on great fights and I'm a fan. I'm a fan of the sport and I'll be damned MM diplomacy this shit like I say go look at his head. This God Damn had looked like it got hit by a hammer shooting. Yeah so Italy agree. Well Steve thanks for calling in going to free up the phone lines anybody else. Trying to call in at Nesta Gibbs on skype remember we. We are in Alabama. So if you have any questions for Deontay wilder the best thing you can do is head on over to the patron dot com forward slash. The box voice look for say while a question and drop him one question per paycheck. Don't forget you can also act his trainer. J. D. as in I'm also in the makes of posting one for coach because as well we're going out to Cincinnati Brandon. What's up him? I'm loud and clear brandon. Yes Sir Yup Yup. Yup I WANNA well you are breaking up. Maybe the lame ass talking point. I can't even hear you. You want to grow vote again. Can you hear me now. Is it better now. It way better okay. Yeah I agree with the last caller I look about how to fight with And actually there's raisman I mean it's just like people people who making money on you to you know no no you're not gonNA give canola crops. He win the fair and Square in my opinion. But you know amihai Mr Home Bias. I gotTa give you know my opinion both ways to fight with spokane born they were born fight up into the knockout. I mainly but that's the beauty right. He he came back. He was suffering adversity because he was down on all the boxing fans. 'cause he should have been losing and he shouldn't have been. I mean it'd be honest I mean we can't compare it to floyd floor. You can fight. People caught it boring. But Floyd ex you know ex exhibit. It is superior boxing skills. Game Plan Brandon like one guy avoided shots. The other guy blocked and Perry shots the other guy. The other guy used the ropes hopes to absorb shots. Okay so like that's just game plan you can't. They're all boring. They're boring. The differences Floyd will take twelve rounds of boring. This man gave you a knockout. He waited he waited clinically. Knock this man. I mean I listen. I was bored award until I think this is better. Because you're like man what the Fuck Your Wife Cove only. Oh Shit. What uh-huh Yo? I wish I was like what the fuck just happened. I wasn't expecting it. Because it's like ten rounds of Kovolev being able to take his shots you know. He's chipping away at the body. But it's just Cova like damn he's GonNa use the Jabil away. 'cause everybody's like Oh Nassar was a fixed because he only jet no motherfucker he. He knew what this kid wanted to do. He hears it ain't even if you don't think he'd been here. He knows everybody think he tried to stay away. Are you trying to survive. He trying to survive. He wasn't even trying to win but he was winning because he was landing more punches than than canal because he was jabbing and throwing a rising while Cola ovallis meanwhile Cannella was just going for the warmer. Yeah looking for the one hook fight As far as the Top ALP accountable. One right now I'd give him Yep was next boring I might sound crazy. I don't WanNa see triple cheaper now. We don't know Brandon. I didn't know triple G got chang-chol business. Sorry but you dig it three minutes because I fuck what you Any new callers call in we. We gotta do one at a time. I'm GONNA try actually Dow back Super Maxi and get them online but yeah No Man no triple g notable G. Even though I'm telling you right now now they're probably you know the triple G is probably in the lead of of of fights that not only zone wants but fight fans once I'm actually screen sharing what the WBZ put out WHO's next four CANELO? Charl being their first choice on Trade Derby and Chanko Callum Smith and triple g so the question is who is next but canal but let me go out to Hold on let me see let me see how preparedness came for this particular party today. The C- he bail Hope not there Nope not here. Either Dad Joseph job in the ball knowing show for you. What's up brother? Joseph Leo Wait. Leo said his is his action. Mr Seventy Four. What I see peach on a call and see what? PM Get you in. But I don't know how to merge this just yet seventy four. Oh yes. Oh this Joson New Orleans talk to me right right right right right as the way all right. Why does that if you watch it on Youtube? Don't forget to hit that by helps with the visibility. Show less no you you know. Let the world know that we are rocking. And there's a there's a place a box of fancy call in and really get it off their chest. See you know you're not happy with last week's fight you know this is the spot the call in and let the world know why you don't think another deserve this path. A pound number one spot numero UNO Talk to me I'm back. Hello Okay I don't know why my Bluetooth trip for somebody's I'm glad to hear First of all tell me what I WANNA compare in. The number is eight. Oh my hatred and my my I guess I am Cannella here and I'm a fulltime. What's on here that I've been once since erase landy lower but whenever after their fight if he can't relevant to me what type of fighter who was well when you go get out by box on people move on tools you don't WanNa fight certain Style fighters and he got fix judges. I got Every time you have a tough fight is always something canola win like it. Just clear is a clear decision. He's sitting there is always some type of screwing is. Is this something that always comes on. Just four dozen in scorecards because it's a close fights where somebody else so he won. Now hold on. Are you gonNA say well. Hey that's when you fight you stuff up and competition is supposed to hey east coast. No no no no no I want him to been. There's one fifty five and he'd been fighting once fifty four refined. Doing doing middleweight. He couldn't make the weight. He was fighting at Keswick. I had a problem with that because he wasn't fighting. Oh doing minimum wage down there and I think ain't gonNA break down there when they were all relevant and I ever since numbers. It's always been moving funding. I know it got a lot. Who is he running his career? But fuck team you go get the spoke to 'cause I've been ducking all pressure fighters not pressure Russia forthcoming Crystal Fighters Andreotti a total. I'M GONNA WASTE WELL WE'RE GONNA have Picanello a do Pity around his age. All these flying over the hill they taught the old farts that fight here last weekend. Cutting cutting Josh. Thanks for calling in. I mean this is the same hate mayweather received you know mayweather received similar hate it. Would they would say oh. He never fought the young black slick fighting. You know until he finally fall burto which no one on really wanted right so We've been here man. We've been here. I don't know I I think I'm just used to it but Cyp What are you know. I I think we're GONNA DO IS GONNA start line. We we we were talking about. Floyd not fighting younger younger flick. Not like by the same agent. He's talking about when he was thirty. He was fighting the cat today. Eight way class. New who've been fucking with Floyd Floyd they start doing that doing that. Picking on the money man. He was thirty three plus years old. So you give you know. I'm I'm telling you I don't compare to do because why can't we compare it because one chose to do when when you are thirty. Three years old thirty three. I should call you check me 'cause you that's what you just happen to. Floyd did it at thirty three. Because he wasn't the money mantelet became thirty. Three canals been the money man. Don't ever get a confused Cannella. Big xactly has everything to do. I would estimate listen I got back pacifying. That's fine you cannot who cannot dictate until you become. The four. Didn't become ace out. So he beat Oscar ASCA. Stop it Bro dictators. NOPE that's why he gets his opponent different just like fluid after Delahoya after Delahoya also fought those men when they when they were under thirty he was fighting him and he was the money man. Sorry with the cigarette later with thirty he was fighting. He died he well he was the money man talking about me like you don't even know like when the black pilots are the money man do day. Checkmate kick the only one doing woody under thirty kicking the fight. They like the allergies because your fluid analysis down the toilet. Because you'll four down. Recall here killing you with ace with debate. Everybody's GonNa kill me when you say thirty three. Didn't older close. He did it when he cleared because because he can't beat chant five eight four man was done. He got redundant what they were dead. When you've oh been doing this because everybody else twenty nine biggest by do as another another bigger fight than him? You can't take it three. My Gosh his his biggest fight his lights Lewis said that reality do say I just fight is always your next fight light money man. I've been money name. Why are you mark McKay? We're not doing that. Who who got the bigger contract chill chant till champ who got the biggest contract at a younger age chill champ? uh-huh who's on the heels of the do this forty at twenty nine chill chant money-wise viewers everything. Anything you WANNA talk about. The boys always right behind him. You can't talk floyd without talking Cannella. I don't know if you know. But Damn Y'all Austin trout was Thirty five years old was he. Thirty Five Avenue No. I didn't notice it. Yo Checkmate talk to me. was what a shame. Yeah I mean actually questioned. No clock here started Before Canelo for Austin Child that was in the biggest fight of his career chantey. Yeah but before. He fought Austin Trout. Wasn't that the biggest fight of his career. Or would you say also see the Lopez was bigger. I will say was big. But it's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and and attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you in life you want to live CD medic target your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC. Free Heme boil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and that CBS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. It's cutting into your exercise time. It stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you and a life you want to live CD medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free hemp oil. Get back to your life. CD MEDIC available online and at CBS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. Would you search no. I'm not getting you off the just showing ya the. Cyp Don't are we talking about in. Every fight is the biggest fighting especially the next bite. Fluid thinking thing about Camilla. I don't want to stand thing where I pushed the goalpost back. You push the goalpost back when it comes to Connecticut and fluid with the with the fighter who was Nebot EH dominated a fighter. I called the Boston. Austin shot wasn't a top fighter. What about Kovalev fighter Cova levels in a With the old everybody was sick and get knocked out get knocked out you call them for knockout. Because you'd be lying if you'll be lying you save is not gonNA amount of anyone do what did you say he was going to come out. I say zero chance holding with those now pushed to go below. It is immoral chance. Okay I got it on twitter. I got it on my comment. That all of that. You can't win number one. He Eh he if he if he lost if he got back from dissolved for to deal with the KINETICO less news and eat making more money. And he's he's made his entire career. He has every incentive to throw that fight. He don't care health care about legacy he's already been knocked out by average people people. Okay for the thing about it is we. It was a boring fight. Emma I was like his clough was booing him. Net lease blastoff net Nello is great when Floyd let him Boo Boo. He wasn't getting a knockout. Well we know blowing Cannella was in two different leagues when it comes to you right you right. It's actually in the top composition you grew inane. He'd be detected by the WBZ ABC Witness Protection Program. Oh like like wow does not take that he better not fuck and take that take what you better. Hey did you listen to you back. How many how many mandatory the wild to have in his his ten defenses? I'm not you're talking to your well. You said you had the WB you said said WBZ is protecting Bonello. And I said like what what with franchise both I said so so they while the what is mandatory. Then that's what you tell them the franchise but he got he got a mandatory. How many mandatory for? How many man hours has he? Four title defenses. How many mandatory you want? How many has he fought in non? The sounds like a long walk. Yes and no. They can never Andre with mandatory and got and got elevated standard French program. Yes or no. They Cannella duck-koo 'cause you godless OJ. Calm down calm down because you clip in your yellen too much so you clip an audience. The and we can't hear who you're saying Kennel. Doug say the name clearly injury Andre Andre. When did he dug Andre did On trade with it mandatory. I makes you not Charles now. He listen this duck Carlo because Charles with duct Andrei because that was the buffet often he had to get to get undisputed question. Let me ask you a question. What happened I what happened? First negotiations with Cannella Win Cova love love or the WBZ mandating Charlotte to be full champion. What happened I happen I happen for? I can't give you extra time if you're going to avoid the question 'cause you way past the three minutes what happened. I exactly murderers rose was happening. fucking know happened I. My man was negotiating Kovolev before before Ford. WBZ Even gave them franchise title okay. Before he gave him franchise he was negotiating for big fight. Was Bigger your mandatory. That that we always I dunno while to try to give verse six hundred thousand to fight his mandatory so the WBZ instead of Allowing Cannella to pay Jamaal Charles step aside money they just made them champion. But you saying that Cannella Duck Carlo to fight Kovalev. I duNNo. Everyone wanted I interviewed. Didn't even think the Charlie beat Cova left so I don't know what to tell you brother. I'm sorry but we are taking phone calls. All you gotTa do is add Nesta Gibbs on skype skype to be part of the conversation. yeah so yeah just call us up and let us know what's up. What do you WanNa talk about? Nettle title the Rehydration King. Okay Okay Rehydration King. Nice Nice Nice. What else what else we got here? Let me let me put that up here. Okay we go. We got one we got one. Looks like we got stone bertone boxing calling in from Rocky Mountains. What else don't bump worker? which in a chilling good work done in Vegas Man? Welcome back to you and everybody come. He had everybody going crazy with no. So you know it's like TBB is like new cush Ma'am they've got had worn in doing. They're not sure for so I'm with it. Man Finally got my little on the road setup properly working so yeah we rocking walking out. Mail is missing his mic but actually talked to him after the first show in he and Rica both sick man. He called the Flu Ono as you in Alabama already. I'm in Alabama already man weighing a few more hours to get to the chimp. Plays on the move that way got airline frequent Flyer Mount not actually drove Alabama man down fourteen hour in the hustle grind. Don't stop the yard from Jersey. Fourteen we right off the fly chant. No no all stop the sex the way gotta go I tech bulldogs to know that of course but yeah Matt Far with Nikkan it to me though to five where was a little lackluster Bonello. New Cannella knew what he has to do. We know that he saw How covered gas in the yard? It's like he saw a couple of guys Against War in Camello knew that Kamilo understands how to fight for how to fight. It's Kinda like bunches. You know what I mean like you can go for a forty five second fight fallback defense football forty five seconds and then come back and press to act in the last forty a second. He knew that once covered stop and if he knew that if he got the opportunity they got to know that he was innocent to me. The the same. I don't WANNA say Kovolev with tired or or overworked or not at that it just but maybe that that was too big too quick of a turnaround or maybe a twenty five year. Old Guy can do those four or five years and five. Every three months I mean every three months. Yeah but thirty thirty seven year old man. I don't think he can do. And Plus We. We don't hate Cannella when we don't have the five we love you. Don't we have five. We kind of have a tendency to hate on them because what it lasts three years. Now we've been saying can never got great The Laura from fluid. I mean we give them that credit when a fine kinda take it from them. I mean kind of the same as we did with Louis. Cannella has reached that point to where it is at popular to hey on him as he is the cheer up. That's all it is. That's all it is superstar. Yeah that's the superstar status fear. That's not I tell people. We liked me like other sports. There's a difference between a star player in a superstar. Yamina being a star. He's a person who can start on a team a superstar or your Lebron. you qualify the canal. The Floyd Mayweather where earl in parents are trying to get to the super stardom. So if our duck and We knew that we know that followed by wasn't her hats. And the thing that bothered me is i. I love that I hear a BRA calling up Spin I've never cutting stone bone. Thanks for calling in. Let's see who else anybody WANNA call in. You already know at Nesta Gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation y type and you can skype Yeah man we talking King Nilo. Oh talking King Nello and how. He's not getting the credit. He deserves team Batman box. And would it. Do you got to meet up with Batman box again UK Yo who's this. Oh who's this you. What's your name Sir by nobody and you compounds later? What's her name an old man sir? What's your name Sir? What's your name so reporting reporting prime contenders? Plenty so we're going to go to. Cyp What Up. See why they're so you happy. Looks like we lost them. All you gotTa do was calling at Gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation It's funny how now the narrative is the the fight came. Yeah that's hilarious net now now now. He didn't have a long enough layoff in between fights when boxing fan sit sit around here all day saying Oh back in the day. The great champ is used to fight six times a year. John White boy with the background noise. Talk to us. John you know some and You Know Oh people say in Code Web didn't go all out he probably didn't leave it all in the ring like he wishes he would've now. He was listening to his coach Even before the fight they were saying and they don't need the old crusher they need a smart crusher and that's what he did he jabbed but then jazz were really breaking a lot of the guard but you know and he he kayode them. You can't fix that there's no fixing the Ko but there's a lot of canal heritage out there that's for sure he has the next mayweather. If y'all go ahead on like that they definitely on King Nello without a doubt Don't forget you can add to give zone zone sky to be part of the conversation. We're talking. Can Nello Alvarez decapitating Sergei Kovalyov getting the win in the fashion that we never never really expected yet people still in good man they going to miss him and love him when he's gone and that's that's how it is with everything man you know. That's how it is what everything we never appreciated when his head you know. We heard it in rap songs all day man. They say they say they never really wish you better. You Miss you to you daddy. You gone as Jay Z. You know what I mean but we're going out to big supermax what's going on champ. I hear you loud and clear. Sound a little bit muffled down on your Bluetooth Faint the truth you the turn signal light off Brady GonNa make somebody crash grow right now. It's the bad blue flyer you sound like you in the back of the truck still putting stuff in the bat. Got Them iphone. ipod is just awful. Half osage is be like get sit thirty dollars. I got you all day man. It's nothing but a madman mount man. You know what it's like they say there's always an excuse is always never enough. You know But it's nice to say to metals the money man right now and he's the top up part of sports. We went to you know when it's about to say they're doing it. You got a problem with it but when it gets a pass you know what I'm saying. I thought it was a it was like every five but I thought it was the way copland. Sure Party look. If you wouldn't have got caught in the last the last week we talked about how the gangs beat the whole. It's cutting into your exercise time. It stabbing you in the back nine and attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you in the life life you want to live CD medic target your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC. Free Heme boil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and at CVS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. It's cutting into your exercise time. It stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting thing in between you and the life you want to live CD medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active ingredients plus the added benefits of THC see free hemp oil. Get back to your life. CD MEDIC available online at CBS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or take any disease would be different. You know people thought about him the body but when you look back at the workplace yeah that was set up. I left her that her to listen. My thing is this these people that are like Oh soft to the body or old and not giving the credit it's like. Why didn't anyone one else do this? Then like why. Wait for Nello to do this to then say oh. This guy is old. Why no one else thought out of it? Why this wasn't a cherry? Pick charnel Dimitrius Andrea. Why didn't matter who I spoke to and no one gave those guys a shot that they gave conditional you know why because those guys are real boxing fans and the people that are talking about this fixed fight and all that they're not real boxing fans? They're looking for views. The looking for attention than looking for the truth you know. They're looking for controversy. They want controversy. But there is none here. You know I don't even know I don't even know any fighter that has ever done an interview in article. I Yeah I'M GONNA I'm GonNa do a towel on the fight that that you know. I took a dive in. I mean there is one did see one book on it but so do did I never heard of you know some old school shit. I don't know this guy is just coin Kovalenko what he don't take a dive with ward. Didn't take a dive award. Your GonNa Divert Canelo like Dan. Cannella got that much power in boxing. He's he he has that much power. Actually Cannella brings that much economics to boxing that they have to cheat. That's what they're saying when the numbers don't tell us that it's not like we're doing shows every day stating that Canelo Alvarez broke gates left and right right I'm I I don't I don't remember that. So I mean he didn't break a gate rocky fielding eat embrace with with Daniel Jacob so why why are we assuming that the powers that be are paying to make sure that this man continues the wind. It's fucking the most narrative a father to die of that level. You're talking about a three hour. I don't know I mean look I'm not GonNa say that because you know with the right money money you make anybody do anything possibly. But I'm just saying Kovalyov has never taken a dive before you know like you. You know a month ago yard. Who isn't on the level of Cobra of Canelo almost did this and nobody was saying Kovalev took a dive there now? It's not the face a box and so he's got a he's got it he's gotta be taken a dive. You kidding me. It's Camello. Yeah exactly I mean like I said it and he got caught. We'd be talking about how reactive perfect game plan. Listen I'm telling you it's damn if you do damned if you don't if he didn't knock out Kovolev and he would unwanted decision people would have been calling it a robbery. The fix was in. He knocked them out and they still saying he fixed it. Clown sauces man. Get enough best. Brother is the same for Floyd. We didn't love boom. We didn't love him when he was in say. We put myself in that group even though I was not. I'm I'm on record. I'm on record enjoying all his fights. I'm enjoying the beauty. See Cannella does a different. He's he's he's parrying he's he's blocking. That's why some of those shots got hit on the head. When he he was mocked up you know we have a floyd who was totally making people miss? It was a thing of beauty. Some did did it like it. Didn't enjoy and that's okay. Everything everybody employed around everything if everybody man but it's almost lunchtime ham will be going to dream lands for lunch today. Man We will do some ribs out Hin and Alabama you know that's where that's where they get the power from Dream Lamb ribs. I'm telling you B.. Joe Oh Max Superman donal. He's coming in today. Oh Yeah I'm excited for that man. I wish the best for the woods. All the C. P.. You got the fans. They WanNa hear you callin please calling call in. Cyp exposed his should little kitty cat soundbite. Four set by the way when you get us out for sure said the Chat Puerto Awards. We'll do we'll do. We'll we'll do. We'll see why Piette taught me some right here. I am waiting on then go. Hey you people the off your audience demanded you call it. I don't know what they want from you. I can't help you with everything a already. We know they already know what's what's up. They know if you hang up phone I go and I think I'm going back to collect data coming back to Detroit now you say. Listen listen to this. Let me make my point. I I didn't WanNa give me credit for study. Let me bring back what I gathered. Let me share with on. When when we're my man? Mayweather became attached as he had to let him out of those go fight. Eight of those were thirty two or younger. I think that a Levin Dude thirty to our young out of a living you guys made. You can go ahead and do that. He doesn't need Nick's dude because he didn't do what you said he was doing. We all know we won't be was did. beat the Fuck Outta Margarito and then you have my Guy Marquette. We know mark. We're doing we all know that it's the older guys any thirty foot now. Now that's crazy to me because you know it blueprint what he defied younger guys like younger guys. And they run on life liberty with her. He didn't do it because I've got to wait could eight out of eleven. Th I right so you could argue that dump it if you want to eight out of eleven instead unlike. Secondly we're GONNA talk about. This is stuck in. That really needs to be said. I'm not out of here. I actually love love. Love Mexican people. Don't think do me and my dad is half Mickey. Who I'm I'm my family's in Laredo? Right okay I visited him in December. I I love Mexican. Don't get it but I'm not talking about the fan base man. y'All knew that who knows either the topic records with Bullshit Nudie which I feel great and I was record with amazing. Wait we check department. They WanNa talk about zero now about sitting here and y'all pretending like canola didn't have a holiday call didn't get over two months when there is no fact stolen. hydration closed Dan rea calm. I'm dave out his own up by the clause got me to clog. I would drink. That's exactly what he said if there was no I take. Anybody used the word clogged drains if there wasn't like they can discuss because he's Russian so his he's English is bud right. You're right I'm warning. y'All do not turn. You can't because you think I at least have the UK. I will lead on you like you've never seen before man up yard boxes. Continue the Great Bokod. It allows me to be their future. You'd think they not going to go back and look at the age. You think they do that every year to be better than a bit. You're going the folks. Cyp Out I'm GonNa go to ruin a five. Oh four talk to me brew ultimately. Is it room for Dallas. Cowboys is ruled right. Was it by Friday seven. Oh yeah hey what's up man. You got put him laugh last week. You really been doing it up man. Reu I mean. A. Rod Unknown Mutual trying to find the co- Brid with the OAK Tako. Now what I was saying was Appreciate all the work you guys the hopefully the listeners. I support you as we see that giving us all this great content but My take on a fight it there I think it was. They can do what he had to do. He knocked him out. There was absolutely no no question that knocked legit Cannella should be on questioning unanimous POW POW fighter in the world you had the better resume versus some of the best part is going to wear. He fought floyd mayweather so although he loves these still got in the ring with although I think his resume is way better than anyone else's I think is unquestionably. The path of town champing right. And that's even that's GonNa be you being alone not. I'm not a hater because I like to know I just don't you are a coffered fan huge fan and you're taking Crawford off your number WanNa put Kinetico there rightfully so absolutely. It's so and so we cannella. I'm always I've always been a guy that say. I want to see more of the way I want. Komo out of fluid like fighting these fires Cannella with his resume. There's no cost never the grave victory. Now here's the kicker net. Do Their fight through ten. I had to fight five five. I can ella winner five Cobra. They're winning five and I had canola land in the stronger punch. That's why gave him. Why rounds 'cause a lot of people that it was Washington? We hit Kobe. But I'm more of a fighter where I like the more impactful punch canal. I I will say this hacking. They don't have that card. That by I go to the scorecards Cannella would begin. A lot of the fight was thrown today to fight was always for him but they doing. And that's what I'm Sam so mad because guess what in doing it goes to the scorecards defy goes to the school caused. The there's a good possibility cove levels going get robbed. Even go to judges had him up. They had him up. The judges had him up right now. They're Cannella Canola Ninety four and one headed drum. See See eh so there you go so he was GonNa get rob and people was going to talk anyway do knocks amount and they still send you know. It's a fish by I like see why P I always respect you know his opinion. I'm surprised that with a knockout. They're not guy was the did 'cause he caught him with a plus the book and then he came right back with their straight right. I don't do what you're doing. Et knockout book right. What about what about this other Cyp narrative about Kanell. All his big names have been thirty. Five plus which seems to be slightly true through Does that matter to you. The AIDS of the champions in which he has been dethroning. No because it's the risk you're taking this what I mean. When he fought trout he could beat trout? That was a that was a great win is best win at the time when he and mayweather. He could've been he could've stayed. I WANNA stay undefeated. I'm not gonNA take on this fight. He took on the fight even with this Kobe of fight up into this last night we think code Levin hurt every potter. He got in the rain. I wish everybody got a ring. where he heard him and he he was able to Put Power Point's gone now supposed to know if this guy was gonna come in and Pitty pat the whole fight. We didn't he didn't note it so Cannella was taking a risk so even dough can Kobe was a big star departure and he was older still give him credit for that because he went up to wake graphics and nobody knew there was gonna hit that wall here so it the risk in itself. So Yeah you look at the you also gotta look at. The risk is almost like Roy. Donald at twenty nine would it went up to thirty six year Holyfield. He still would have been taking a risk even though the fighting was odor. It's not like he's fighting a younger old. If I you know I mean a smaller odor fighting. It's not like he's going down and wait and taking on a smaller older. I'd I just I give them credit for that. I give them credit for going up two weight classes and taking on older guy with power so I just think myself out I I hear what. Cyp is saying but man when you look at what Cannella has done. I want to thank you. Obviously for calling in Davidian in Europe. I know you've been trying to get in for a while now and it's just very difficult on the merging hip but How are you yeah? I'm I'm loud and clear okay. Good yeah. It was my headphones back when our iphone joy Reid is clear but definitely. Yeah I mean the night was was pretty dog though I mean a strategy versus spires it I was a good aspect except ahead. That was a good like I. I like women be. They'd be throwing it out too. I was pretty dope Just as the head but it was nasty. Do you but They removed on now too but The Nello He did his thing. you know I mean I don't know there's this kind of bored. It was kind of boring but he did not come out. You know you didn't come out And I should be micro sent a submarine which I did. 'cause I browse take any code. Oh Oh man why you sixty three instead of thirty six but Yeah I mean and I don't know like that's really Our you know the next the next week make sure you're talking into the microphone. Piece their brother. You know the little. Just Kinda pull it out towards your mousy talk clearly into it because you're going in and out. Oh sorry can you hear me now perfectly. It's cutting into your exercise time. It stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you in the life you want to live CD medic targets your pain at its source it's fast acting relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC. Free Boil get back to your life with CBD medic available online online at CBS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. 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That's Harrys Dot com code. Five thousand. Enjoy okay yeah Yeah I mean I've been in a meal like big spray was born to me and then the delay I don't know I didn't like was horrible. Man I'll be honest to the delay was horrible but I had no issues with it because I was working so I needed that time to charged shepherd and and and you know just do other things to to make sure that everything I was trying to get done Worked out but you know I didn't even go and look at that had fight. I promise you I didn't go. They showed us the DS fight. I didn't even go and look at it but people were watching it and and and people are not happy about that fight fans definitely not happy. That you know that that he bowed down to boxing. What they're seeing people sent me messages ages like Yo fluid would never would never have pushed his fight back? You know Bob Arum would never they said now maybe floyd would never. I'm not sure I'm not. I'm not great with with with with with remembrance but I remember many pack into the basketball game was over to go out. I remember that so you know smart people theories he's got money. You're not I mean. Smart people do money so either you WanNa make money you. Don't yeah that's true. I mean you're panic. If it was way Loyd they probably would have scheduled around. I mean it worked out but I'm like Dan Almost three well demand. Thank you for calling. Alan and as always Ferguson is saying escaped the only way to call an actually it is the only way to call in from the road right now but if you need a landline number I got that for you. My skype number is like a seven seven seven seven three to number. Let me see here. Where do I find this number you do do do do? I don't know but I gave it out on another day. I mean it's probably on my homepage. Say all my skype page. So if you add to gibbs anyway you should be able to see like seven three to number and Yeah because I I guess I can't get to that from my actually. Let me just go to my email skype number. But in the meantime adding Nestor Gibbs will definitely get you on the show. And we'RE WE'RE GONNA go to stainless it's all to me back when away No Man working I you know I always appreciate you calling me on an off day so no saying I'm blessing the win right now that being said with this kind of fight May Go hey this with. You didn't move anywhere in my Robert. You're saying it's just like with the like I said with the Shopowner Earl Spencer right like he did what I suspected. What no way no way? Ah No way you didn't expect him to get the knockout especially not like this. Come on man I come your yeah he you got it to the head instead of the body but personally that's what I thought he was going to do WAS NARCAN was NOCCO. Live out I mean he didn't decrease he didn't go down on my saying he. He's still where he was at what I'm saying he's still he's still he's still my top three powerful power. But you know what I'm saying he ain't and I couldn't move him up with victory man. I I think I discussed that beforehand. Like if you if you want to find a way go move to where it was. A devastating knockout Out and it looked good. Don't get me wrong. You know what I'm saying and I'm I'm not taking anything away from what kind of did but you know saying I didn't apply some surprising. Auditors may like the cat twenty nine. I got a lot of wear and tear on his body. He got a lot of roll. My other at this point they still twenty nine years old man like you need to find some some younger fighters man like. Don't wait till you in your thirties star by people that are younger than you like you. Can you hold on so you really think he duck and people because of the age and not because of the accomplishments. Why do it matter the the young if you ain't done shut I don't think that? But if you dash that's even more reason to go ahead and get him out of the way why that are saying like they boring and all that 'cause then you just a prizefighter de so you're across this this is exactly Ackley. Why exactly this this? Why use him as the comparison? Everybody wanted shot me. Everybody can get us out. You only fight one person at a Tom. Yeah this is true. This is true. And what we'll fight was bigger Tarlo or overland rocky feeling Rocky fielding was bigger to you the question that that's what I was standing you got to find somebody. That's a no name rocky field and then you kind of get an excuse. That Charleena Chalk Andre Not a big come on you gotta be smarter than that Man. Rocky fielding was the tests he was the tests. You don't test with Charlie you test them with rocky films do cannot really move up. Can I really fuck with these dues. Let me see. Oh I got it. GimMe GimMe Gimme the baddest man. Now I won't cove that's what that was. I can't believe you notice that. But that's I go to. No Man on the mastermind tip. Talk to me Syrian. That is right for you out there who ooh quite and yes you know if they're not like what I like. What would they do a missing weight? Struggling smoking away dog. They didn't get in a fight. It's not a fun life. Five right hand. Why don't know why would you trying to say what are you trying to say we got and you know what is going on? Tell me what's is going on. I like this one good. That is just like an old man so because because it was a canola fi is a fixed but hold on. Let me let let me finish. Let me 'cause there's a Cannella fighters fix but when we see other old fighters get old Wadad excuse and we say man. He got old overnight Bra but Kanalelo he cheated the fixes in. He paid them but for other The fighter oh he got old overnight but it happens one night you just see I say when you we talking elephant in the room. Oh Mary hit insinuating in everybody. That's how that's how they feel Assadi food. Yeah but I don't know but check this out dog. There's no come up to win Caz he wanted him. No Height and like Mike Tyson like like I know that's called Guantanamo plan. That's called Game Guy. Wouldn't let him do all right. Go goes on now. What wh what will the The way one nine finding pushed him back here wait hydration close according to Cova Hwan title wave. That didn't like yeah. I'm like do do Philip away. I do I'm like holy sick. King Nello scored a knockout over his doom. I know no I I won't check this out. Twelve wrong eubank. Cold Pas winning winning. That's like if you went with I had Kovolev up at the time of the stoppage appanage. Judge what was he based off the scorecards. It ain't he was going to get a decision But actually a call. That's three minutes. I'm GonNa tell you this though. I know he ain't get the decision right or it looked like he wasn't going to get the decision but he got the knockout right. He knocked him out. He the decision because it ain't gonNA decision because he not will. y'All couldn't do. I'll bet you your and internally Ajayi not saying it was a fix they seem the same thing that's why they went for Kovolev. They just capitalize. The laws can capitalize. But we got lives load ringer. Talk to me Yeah Yeah. Let's hang out abolish making me or Ringel Okay I I'm actually Kinda surprised about it Unless they happen or thrown or whatever the case maybe for me for the Fight Cola will control and you know Good partner with the jail. So Oh I don't know why people trying to say like do you know they. They don't know how to watch fight. They don't know what they were. All right. Hey the two. He used to stay away trying to save his energy. He knows he knows he ain't got no tank. He tried his best to stay up right right so again like you I think it was you that their early. Some people really just don't know by and it's okay if you if you just like to see knockout that's just your thing cool beans but shouted when it comes down by Gin Lee looked too thin. I if you don't know shit about it. Hey holy did this thing. If y'all don't with a fucking Jammy or go back and watch the fight he came out with it in the first round so I don't know again I don't know why people treat me out. I couldn't that low. You want my neg- I like. I say if you get your hands in the rain down fight though. He got it. Evan rain he fought. I ain't I ain't got nothing against so who would I would like to see depending they don't really WanNa do. He really got to get the question marks out and I think honestly he can take and driving. Oh Andrea whatever you WANNA call him but but I think he will have a little a little contest with Charlotte. But I won't Cannella like I know he wanted to be great. He is great. I ain't knocking him but shot. It makes you if you want to go through through and make sure ain't nobody talking about you're GonNa talk anyway but make sure you take charge low end android situation if you comeback down but if you don't come back down we'll you know John batchelor and do what you gotTa do in the way clamp but if you bring back Nello folks which is what we need at five PM. But I know you all about your money but let's not make it all all about money. Which fight is the biggest view but me Carlo Charles Carlo God that he said Andrea I think he can take an and dry? I think you'd think injury Kansas agree to my car. I'm all right brother Get An ad came to this and now we are going to jerome. Talk to me that I'm you chant. I'm just listening all right now. Let's see here so more I got. I got the only road soundboard fellas so don't think I have everyone's intro which sucks so all right Matt talked to me Garcia. Would it do. What do you mean loud and clear? What's going on Bro Brian to draw a couple was doing good work and be like never would like maybe two rounds in between each Kovalyov around because level regarding his game plan real good with his dad keeping control on the outside not letting come in until he got up with. I thought it was a perfect game plan. But it's just he save on that just to make it through the fines. They up on his feet man people where they gotta like what this whole big stuff menaces dumb people that like to know but you gotta give credit where credit is due. Did exactly did exactly what he needed to and did something anybody else that wants to. They wouldn't have tried. You know kind of like what you were bringing all week. which which middleweight? Could you even see thinking about the let alone. Time thinking about it going up against Coppola. If I find many pundits to to give me a clear name you know they had to be pushed. You know what I think. One mentioned triple g couple. A couple of names for for Andrei and the least amount of votes was for Charlie which was shocking. I thought he was the bigger punch. But I thought Cannella was GONNA stop onto the body. I didn't think he was gonNA knock. Hove it out you know. I was shocked and couple of went down hooper shocked and shocked and in for the for the ones that say he should. They should have counted. He wasn't going to get up in time. He didn't get up for a solid minute after that he was still trying to find himself. But the next big fight for this I would say. Make Mega Mega Andrei by that would be the biggest zone type to make you know. It's it's in house it's all on the same Labels so that'd be a good zone fight to make for next year if if not Do the obvious triple G at super middleweight. Kids canal is not gonNA come ride breakdown or one sixty. That's too much weight to just jump up and down. You know we've seen what happens in history and in the past but would nothing quickening when it comes to fighting young five or it shouldn't matter the age matter how good the fighter is the lead. A bit This past year the year old fighter Camello to do yard couldn't do I mean war couldn't do it. War got drop. He didn't drop. It's cutting into your exercise time. It stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you and a life you want to live CD medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free free hemp oil. Get back to your life. CD MEDIC available online and at CVS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. It's cutting into your exercise time. It stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain gene and it's getting in between you and a life you onto live. CBD Medic Target. Your pain added source. It's fast acting relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits benefits of THC free hemp. Oil Get back to your life with CBD medic available online at CVS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose house treat cure or prevent any disease even beat award winning the hate Israel. You know what I mean. They hate Israel for this kid. But you gotta look at a couple. You look back at what he did and they go out with you did liquor culprit upbeat yard. No Lip Bernard Hopkins later career. He was still making big wins. The older at an older age that that's my call you know the Appreciate Awareness Advocacy of fisherman for sure man. I'll hear grinding and I'm just happy birthday. We are able to even have the show That I finally got this all worked out in A and we don't want to miss shows while on the road WE'RE GONNA go to supermax Max WanNa Boomerang Talk to me. What's up four all right so Pretty much let's take a look at He became the money man. When I was GONNA exclude the Conor McGregor apply? Look at Ricky. have gotta see Kale Ricky rickie heading but remember every says we can have metro. Wait was at one forty right up but you gotta get me off. Whatever you're doing it's fucked up the show coming back in But in terms of floyd the argument with C. Appea- is more about Floyd fighting fighters at a certain age Not any other technicalities like catch weights and things like that But you WANNA try me. Are you ready to come back or should I go to someone else all right. So we'RE GOING TO RAIDERS IN LA. Y- you back better Yep Yeah what I'm saying. What that is is it? Yeah you're you're talking about that. But but package was also he left. He mentioned that name equivalent of what Lloyd into canal. You know you got Shane mostly off a big win and you can equate that. Are you have Victoria. Cheesy was young but would he really do it. He quit against my arcus was one of the old guys. Mental also have never fought and forty seventy came up to way classic Koto take away. So there's your daddy you gotTa Robert Guerrero. I haven't read it but was there the Average everybody say young you know you can you can pick apart and and yeah. I don't know what you're doing. I think maybe your headphones headphones are on your shirt champ. I don't know but like the Mike. Whatever Mike you use in touch and something and it's coming in super hot hot? I don't pretend to while Paul now you there yeah okay. Yeah but I'm using from the from after but You know you can pick apart and break down anybody's rather than me At the other they never going to satisfy anybody looking. He Goes Beach. Charleston in May in the beef operated September. There'll be somebody else you know they'll find somebody else. You know this. This is how it always said that man the next fight so they always build someone up like he beat Kovolev now. Now it's Charles. He Beats Charles. It'll be Andre. It'll continue and then they'll say he got over. He got He he was waiting for triple g get old like it is what it is man. Yeah it is something to get but now as far as As the next part goes unfortunately I had to say but I'm pretty sure I'm almost positive. ZONE IS GONNA push go ahead and get their way. Okay on this this fight That'll probably be next. Let me ask you a question. Who who who did yard knock out? I could tell you okay. We got some my into chat cut west. This man to yard was Kovalev with bombs and didn't go down and yard as ninety eighty percent. Ko ratio yet kettle moves up to way classes and knocks him out. Some things. Just make you go and Yeah when someone can tell tell me the level of person that yard as compared to Kovalyov then we can understand that I guess but I I. I guess you don't watch boxing west. Listen Supermax let me go so I'm GONNA go ahead and get some other people here. We got raiders from La. Talk to me the raiders. LA skype right. We're going to. Yes Sir yes Sir yes sir. Hey how's it going. Hey You know is really funny to me as you're not. These people are saying that by speaks. When you got some cars coming in and can you that that global was on the scorecards? And then they can I kinda well. No wasn't up on the scorecards. That's according to the collar or I have one car saying that. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah I mean. I took over winning on cards to though yeah okay but it doesn't make any sense. You know what I mean I see the speaking. You had homeless. Karstadt you but one of your callers and was other point I wanted to make out. Is that Canot hit Coppola that the same shot that hit Josh Lot right in the ear and he did the chicken awesome. Thank God damping. Nobody says nothing about that right and then other about oil coppola didn't let his hands go. You know he couldn't game plan you monster back with them. I think backwards. Coppola cannot fight moving backwards so he had. Why do we keep his distance keeps jabbing and try to throw that right hand? He threw their right hand counter. I agree with you about people. People he was the smaller man no is the game plan clan people for the wrong game plan with cove eleven. They seem the flaws and they capitalize. And that's what this is. It's a strategic Hickman. Exactly and they were saying about. Oh how how may whether so if can can do that to to cope and maybe they did the same thing to pack your back. Your wasn't himself. NOPE now listen. They're also complaining this. Oh Wow cannella moved up and He was able to take over left. Shots well I thought Floyd moved up and was able to take Cannella shots. I thought Floyd had a rehydration clause or a one fifty to catch way close in his Khan Academy and anything. That can be Haiti. And they're saying oh talking Duck in on Andrea and duck in charnel. How how are you going to be guys when she g twice and Jake? That doesn't make any sense. Dude is not duck and manage. It's it's every time aid. Someone they're gonNA they're gonna WanNa find someone else that's all it is that's the thing that CHARNEL and on driving. You can't have been when when Canal is fighting to G. Then he fought trooper g again and he fought Feel any fought. You can't be calling this this guy a dog and when he's fighting discard stupid retarded. People don't think you know the court where where where's the proof and suggest they think now anyways that's my call I'd rather well thanks for calling in. No Boomerang everybody has a shoe and Iran at once. Watch this watch you Jeremy you know just watch their talking down. You Might WanNA call back in. I know you got some bad service right now We're we'RE GONNA go to Kim in Florida talk to me. You gave me loud and clear I I first off. Welcome back ten but you back on the regular Most shows a day on the weekend man But Yeah so oh. I can't believe all the talk I'm hearing about. The fight was fake. I didn't expect to be hearing that. That's pretty crazy you know it's rather obvious. CBS He was he was hurt. Somebody say get the chicken Asian. Judo gets laughed at. You know cost zoo mega. no-one says says no one says Zab Judah took a dive. You know instead instead. That's what's his name is known for the chicken dance because the Zuber not knock over the cold left took a dive even know he gotta hit equilibrium shot. I did a chicken legs. And they got Cannella seen in hidden with a big right hand and put them down. I mean it was it was. It was impressive to me. Very impressive. I thought was sure you know I said or not mcgurk. Emily well with Buddies nephew before the fighting we were talking. Okay we were both of you know like yeah. He's GONNA attack the body. I get about eight ten round You know with the body work. I did not expect them to not go out to the head. That was extremely impressive to me. Oh my God I got. The perfect chat came. Listen to this ness. If cannella was fixing seem fights why not pay better be haters are so stupid that is true that is true. If you paying Kovolev why not pay better be for two belts or pay better. That'd be so you could be. You know people think you'll monster you make the public think you'll Mazda by knocking out. Exactly man is stupid. That was smart. Good Chat Chat right there. Brother sorry to cut you off. That is very true and I go out the guy with the guy. One built But Yeah No I. I was super impressed with the way he did it. You know that's always important or and it's not just taking the fight that that's you know. That's impressive too. But the way you win the fight you know was impressive I think that Coppola Smart. I think everybody had a good game plan. You know was trying to speak to the job and not really throwing you crazy wild hard punches. Yeah that'll definitely countering a lot You know it was a good fight those very good files against super impressive just mainly the way he was able to get out of there I I wasn't able to listen to. The whole show is seen the title. What's next for Nello Me Personally I'd like to see him a stay around one sixty eight one seventy five which is really interesting to see this guy. WHO's not that big? Get in there and fight like a big man you guys on the back foot and Atlanta power shots and just doing what he's able. What do you know? So it's like Kinda like may whether who's always the smaller guy fighting up but schooling people you know fighting that one then then the only way like one fifty when he saw canal I want. I don't think it got up to four if I remember correctly but you know just seeing the smaller guy moving up in weight fighting bigger guys in school. Numbers is really impressive. Because I like seeing that kind of stuff You know I don't know what everybody else's opinion working never to do next by next. But I like what he's doing but You know just fighting bigger you guys go put in the pound man. That's it is impressive to me. That's that's legacy types it so We'll be sat out the little man. It was a good fight weekend But yeah that's my man all right. Thanks for calling in Let me see what we got going on here. So Oh I just WanNa go over some stuff really quick. So I need to get into my boy. Canelo Alvarez is resume real quick because I don't know isn't Charles Biggest Win Austin Trout Trout and herds biggest win Laura all old guys that can already fought right. But they're saying the KINETICO's afraid or something like that I don't know I don't know man I duNno I dunno it's like Doesn't make sense. Ah I think. That's what Chemo San. It just doesn't make sense lot of these names on his resume or people's biggest wins Let's see who was fielding loss to. He lost twice so he lawson soon to Callum Smith see how relevant these things are hilarious. We got a call here Five seven. Oh who's this. WHO's this? He Hung Up. He wanted that all right. Well we'll go back to These names on the resume right so can mellows rocky fielding's things biggest loss For Com- Is Count Smith. Someone they want to fight Gennady Lufkin's biggest as winners Jacobs. Jacobs biggest win is Peter Quinn. Yeah Yeah I mean I don't know I just can't see the docking man. There's a lot of names there but you know what the there is that little that little I mean to fights and and Liam Smith that was a title but the CON. That was a money. Grab I mean look you gotta do those two men you gotta get these little in between you know and and make some money money Because right here you know he fought Koto. And that's the thing man it's like he fought Jacobs and and Cova the back to back. And there's no respect and this is what I mean so if he would have four Kodo in Charles Oh would he have gotten a respect because here he is fight at Metro. The best deal in wireless is on switched to Metro and get one full Amazon. Prime membership included it every month. Plus get two free phones from top brands like Samsung and L. G. with huge HD screens all with two lines for just ninety bucks. That's the best deal in wireless. Only only at Metro. Plus he'll activation fee requires porting of eligible number currently active on T.. Mobile Network are active on Metro and past ninety days. I'm at four per account household offers subject to change offer valid for new Amazon prime members Amazon prime nine hundred ninety nine per month value restrictions apply see store for details and terms and conditions thing Jacobs and then cove eleven no respect and then he also Gennadi Gennady. We know respect you know he also fall Austin Floyd no respect on the back to back so I think there. Maybe he's just doing his way. Because you guys don't give a fuck that's why you don't appreciate what these dudes do. So why would they listen to you. Just saying but I think that's it man. I'M NOT GONNA force any long ago. Get Somebody's dreamland. Saw Bo was on the line trying to meet up with you. Both you hit me. Hit me up. You've got my number. Let's let's get some dreamland This show you guys wanted it done it and we will be back with Some more rob is GonNa be in deontay wilder. 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UF262: Cowboy Cerrone and Din Thomas In-Studio, and UFC on ESPN+ 1 Preview and Picks

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

1:19:16 hr | 2 years ago

UF262: Cowboy Cerrone and Din Thomas In-Studio, and UFC on ESPN+ 1 Preview and Picks

"Unfiltered. We finally have in studio guests that we we like, and we wanna dean Thomas cowboy Saronic. Join us in studio. It's a full house and a really fun show. This away that nobody is sending chase to finish. Folks on the button. Oh, he's he's out. This is you have see on filtered. And now your hosts, Jim Norton and bad, Sarah. Wow. Jimmy what a room Jimmy or the other day? And now he got nine people. I'd rather have people in here. Then have it be hot and empty? I hope another podcast comes in like a Joel storm right now. 'cause I feel this is a dangerous room. It really. Let's the you're right. Look to my left. Dean Thomas Cowboys Romania in studio, we see that the schools. They get the wide menopause. That's is that what we get. Yeah. It was go. Well, let's have cowboy wasn't. He you would on a fucking slow cloud. And I can we just point out that I feel if is a little awkward because I love attacking dean Thomas like like, I love doing it. I love attack them. I look tacky. I don't like being nice to him. And he brings his thirteen year old kid in the Ethan. Who's a lovely kid. Ethan. Good to see you, buddy. Either. Look get the just going to say it's awkward because this is the most black people you ever had in his room at one time. That's what he said when you guys weren't here. That's that's just I'm not even touching it. Listen to me tell you how close I am with L. Joe? I'm happy really helped me for a half an hour. So we've no man Christopher said pretend like you're not here for thirty man. I'm chilling. I wanna hear his story. I'm always fighting this weekend. You're the it's the the main event of the ESPN prelims like they're pushing ESPN Knox. I guess you have just went to is the first event on that. Yeah. And Hernandez is dangerous young fighter. You didn't. Did you know who he was when you took the fight or not I knew you do you look at the date and the like, let's say you like a sky ago, you jumping out a plane like next month? So you aren't I got February open or January open? Let me just book a fight. Then and whoever you get you get me. Yeah. I just call and say as soon as possible give me a date you cleaned up. Your facial hair, by the way, that's an employee different. Look every time didn't look bad. It looked almost like you will like a crazy homeless. I thought I saw you on the way over the last fight like three of you. I want him account with the way. But but you you cleaned it up. What happened you just felt cleaning up? Yeah. Just some Genucel age news. It's the first time. I looked at you today. Yeah. Let me go back down six and four you're doing great as high grade. No. But I mean after that might Perry that might Perry. Win was t-. What those seventy big sons bitches man, it was a size thing. They're big boys. Plus, I'm really lazy seventy you can drink beer e burgers. I kind of you know, fifty five I got a I got a direct my training. I gotta like be focused. I gotta be plus it's time, man. It's time to go. Get this bell. With all these accolades, we've collected and records, we broke it's time to do one more thing. I I don't want to go down as the the uncrowned people's champ. You don't wanna be like marina like guy who put all those years. I think knowledgeable. But yet you don't give a shit on who you fighting in a sense where this kid could make a name for you. If you're looking at this, and you that's the pitcher I'm talking about by the way of you looking like, a homeless person, look clean. He looks now about you know, so it's like this guy is a killer. I watch these. I wasn't too familiar with them either. Right. And then I looked at a couples five oh fuck, man. His last fight was with Grady. Yes. Fucking. He was shit. He's got a great cardio. These feel issue only lost once. And he and he knows if he takes out the great Donald ceremony. Boom. He's right. He's he's everybody knows them chair. How tell me about the enthusiasm for that other guys will be they don't want that I lost when I was towards the end of my career. I'm like can you Frank Drake? Was your age thirty five and you don't want me. Give me wanna give me three trailing. Only beat the shit out of him. I just it didn't excite me for somebody else. Making a name for me. What excites you about it? Yeah. I don't have a fucking answer for that. It's just the fight. Yet fight excites me that who never has. I don't care if I was fighting could be Conard this kid. You know, it doesn't it Saturday nights. I love right. And you look at him kind of as a you want you want to get to a title fight. So he's like a very is kind of up and coming, and he's he's probably a good one to get back into the fifth opponent that they gave me the fifth five it took five what happened with the other one is they were no, no two of them called me. And said fuck no, oh, who do they who else was named John? The fuck no though. Why would they why would they say the the? Because they didn't want to face your no time, but we're buddies with fuck. No fuck now. No, you're the wrong business. Yeah. For sure fuck. No. One of the guys called me. It was like I will only fight you for title. And that is that is I will never not a chance. Sorry. I'm gonna guess let me see who. I guess guess that's team Thomas, but he's gonna talk Tony Ferguson. I don't know him like that. No. No, I don't have a number anyway five opponents, it's crazy to me how you can pick. And choose in the sport. That's what I think is honorable you're doing what you're doing. Because like I've seen guys take that path and go I'm not fighting these guys I only wanna fight up, and you are looking to fight for title, and you're fighting down. So what did I mean? That's honorable. That's honorable. I love to fight man. I love it. Now when I beat this kid, and I get back when I left with you five dollars a lost the title sauce at number two, you know. And now here I am not even ranks crazy to me. But back when I get in the top five after this fight. That's why I wanna fight someone top. I told Dana I want to fight top five right now. He's like, well, let's make sure you can make fifty five. Let's let's slow the rule little bit. Let's make sure you you you perform and make the way and do what you need to do. And y'all I I won't fight down. Again. You know, once once I get through this, and I get I get back ranked? It's only moving forward, you know, and that's socks because that's my coaching staff. Not me, you know, they're like, look man, we gotta if we're making this run taking these dangerous fights and going backwards doesn't make any fucking sense. Like, I know you lied to fight. But we need. Let's let's sit and wait. But the advantage to being you is that you okay, you'll fight Hernandez. If you win the fight you're not gonna have to fight two more times to get a top five guy. They'll probably because your name give you a top one hundred percent, correct. I was gonna say the same thing because you account other guys. Like they strategically need. All right. This guy's ranked the bug. I need to beat this guy to get that title. This kid come in. He's coming with fire. See this is going to be up on burner. I can't wait for this. Yeah. I can't wait for this fight. So, but and he says are you said he has cardio. I have cardio cook. Yeah. You do. Sure, you've got all walks to obviously Perry. I got it. All man. I mean, I just so he doesn't want his Russell make it a boring fight like fucking fight. If you wanted the middle the rain would you foot down? Let's throw down the list. Go wasn't it satisfying taking that arm though. It's not like, I know you say that a lot, and that's how you fight. But yet, you know, Perry he chose. He brought you down and boom looking at you took that Lim lake. Doug about wrestling, and I've been working wrestling. But soon as Peri like grabbed me, I was like, okay. I'm just like. Like sure take me down. Let's go unless you feel the e the level of the the stiffness you like all right? No matter where this it's like letting somebody who has less experienced pass your guard. You'll get I know I'm going to get out and get on top. That's what it kind of looked like to me you. How like oh, okay. Let's go to your surprised. He was doing it. Absolutely. When he grabbed me and went for the take down. I was like oh, hell, yeah. Let's go so weird choice choice. Yeah. Sure. Because when you're known to punch his heart as he punches and it's a ball Burien. You know? Got my crew coming in. You said you want to know the crew shirts out of control. What what do you think? This is your podcast with Woodley. What is this? What did I say? Is this Larry from three's company guys? Give us two seconds or come back in or Christopher due to take control of dean, Thomas's riffraff. Yeah. What? What? I wrote an entourage. Now. You got to control your know, man. I got a late. They didn't show what you did not. Well, he could have been here before, you know, Jim, right? We security in this latest time security slackened. Like, I said, you look you kids what have you been doing? But I told you, and I've told you this. I think of you every time I fly in them and turbulence because you enjoy it. Are you still doing all that stuff? Are you still rolling plains? I haven't ruled a plane in a little while I'm flying straight. And I got my pilot's license. So yeah, your instrument qua- dumb question not industry. Not night or instrument yet. Okay. But you need me to go fly around the dinner today. I got you. So you have to do like are you have to make sure that there's a clear vision. And no clouds. No clouds. Yeah. Clear vision ram instrument trained yet. Do I feel I can do it. Yes. But my certified now, so what are you? What do you have to do? How many more hours before? Like, what's the difference? Fifteen more hours. Okay, flying and shit conditions. You do. Yeah. And that's with an instructor. Absolutely. Okay. I'm a couple of runs around myself. But that's pretty standard. Have you made any mistakes like when you're flying? You have an instructor. There's a guy who could obviously take over have you done things where you're like. Oh, fuck I I'm not ready yet. No. Because I that's not how I'm geared. I will I need to be need to know everything about need to do at one hundred times need to like one day. I just told a guy we're gonna go leave Albuquerque airport fly out to the country right live, and we're going to just take off and land and take off and land and take off and land for three hours. You know, just so come inside ways coming in with the tailwind coming approach of the win. You know, all bats narrows stall the engine out. Everything that could go wrong. So he's there watching witnessing. What I do in incorrect in me as long so I know that if that happens, I'm gonna be okay. So when you the hardest thing I guess is coming in for landing because you kind of have to balance I mean, taking office just taking office is taking taking office hard. I mean, you've got to run your rudders full-throttle. And I mean, it's it's hard to keep the plant straight, especially in like side. But yeah landing it's weird. Now that I like flying learned to fly when you're in an airplane. You feel that like pocket? A and everyone's all scared yet. Right. Does nothing. No, hell, no the plane will never just drop out his guy. You could literally kill the engines. And they could coast and landed on the freeway you so if you're playing goes down, I mean, shits gotta go down bad for for these crash. Landings could see him pulling a fucking sully. Yeah. In the bucket list. Let's look styles for a second. You verse? Let's listen. I know you got you. I don't like to look ahead. What are we talking fighting? Why don't we talk about good sleep? Trail off the path a little bit here and have a little fun talking about Thomas fucking comedy skits. That's all you wanna talk about fun fun. I guess you don't want to talk about funny. Is there a difference? Listen. Thomas's comedy. I've seen. All right. Listen you like comedy. Like it. Can I start some shit? Can we have fought? What are you talking about? Yes, star some I saw you on Joe Rogan. Okay. Yeah. Donald Cerrone is named bro. I'm with guys what am I in the middle? And she listen to me. Can you hear me out? About never getting a shot at a title, and this and that and also now here you go, and it's gonna be it's gonna be tough. Listen to me. It's only the tough kids. Get nervous. He's a fall to do this. You're in shape, you gotta do BJ online. You can get fed. You you got your crew right up. Listen to me because I'm getting I'm sorry. Jake camera guy outside will be very helpful. Looking at us. So Joe said, listen, he got a shot of title. I I'm I'm paraphrasing. But man, this is what you did it looks in cowardliness. Going to be tough first of all fucking. Of course, it's gonna be tough guys could be but styles make fights regionality Quinn. He's I hold them in the highest regard. Missile time somebody held him down and beat them up. You know what? I mean. He's hard to hold down. He's always squirm getting back four to five rounds of shells knows. All right. What's I'm somebody held down cowboy and and just beat his ass. Let's guy to try got his arm taking off. I can't remember before that maybe you could bring it up bring a bed ship. But I don't remember listen, I'm cowboy got L down and beat up so lock. It's placed on the feet. He's good. He's fucking dangerous off his back. He always says he doesn't want to wrestle. It's an app, but it gets down on the mat as its jitsu guy. I'm impressed takes a lot to oppress. Well, no, that's well, listen, I know. Sitting across from you. I always always give an advantage to GIS who because it's so you could be I've always said his most dangerous opponent is won't be somebody like Brian Ortega who can defend themselves after Beck and not have to stand up to fight him. All right. So what are you trying to say what I'm saying is that he has just a chance as much as anybody. But could be still got you can't deny that. You're not crazy to say Khabib is tough for any. But it's gonna be tough anyone fighting for sure. But what I'm saying is it's going to take somebody who's dangerous and has an offense of attack off of their back in order to beat a guy like could be one that you is dangerous. Mike Perry walking. I don't know you guys trying Olympia. What about cowboy Ella? Very we'll see knows about submissions nano cap. Boy, he's got a lot of submissions on his resume. He's always omitted people. I'm just saying the second brought it up use. It's going to be tough. It's tough forever. You're enjoying the bucket. It's tough for everybody. It's going to be like the spice shit. Oh, yeah. Let's get back to him. Put that squirrel snarky fucking. That's what I want to ask. I don't do that. Don't please. You got a kid. Now, don't do that. I do think a million times if we get an expert at it. Yeah. It takes one time for that. Squirrels shoot. What do you call it? Late you need to hundred jumps before you came attempt to put on a squirrel suit. But you plan on doing that. Of course, that's going to be the end of your move. When don't fuck into it. What you parachute onto nor do you. Yes. Of course. Okay. Jimmy. Squirrel, suits. So you're not even impressed. Now, you're like. Would you do that thing in Dubai they do by just they don't have care about safety? Like they have those things on the top of the Burj tower where you jump off. They have like a bungee jumping would you do that stuff? Of course, where does that come from member when he was in Kabul like you just do anything like anything he won't do? He didn't have a great feeling with. He didn't have a great experience. Maybe you did. But the Dane white looking for a fight usually a party Dana had fucking vertigo that weekend, and he was like out here. So it just kind of. Rely on our having fun and then down to go out and you to smoke bomb me already. We're well into our forties. Cowboys like getting started talking twenty years. What's going on? I see what won't you? What have you said? No. That's too dangerous. I don't think there's much and now nothing it's just a need for Trenton. I love it. You do. It's like a sickness. What did you do when you're a kid same shit the same? Jungle, gyms and. Crazy, just I love it, man. So so fun. She never ask you not to do that stuff anymore. But he did for a while yet for a long time. What happened you get the concern phone call than the angry phone call had of the worst text me like seriously like I'll still be there Saturday fighting. Okay. Kid still calls me kid. But yeah, he doesn't do it anymore. It's I mean like in our rules. There's no snowmobiling no snowboarding. No horseback, riding like all the cra- shit. I do every day. It's like what I do all this on a normal day to day. Like, I couldn't not do that. So they just got. I think I have the. I can't wave believing in a, you know, what's big in the in the Sarah household, a nice lazy Sunday. Do you have any? Lazy is that not put today's times? Just sit back gave us the Harry Potter film today, and you know, mommy, order gino's later. You don't do that. If I went down like two hours of my day sleeping is minimal. You know? We drive a lot. We play a lot just what we do and your wife likes to do the same. I just like the picture of your Instagram. It was you and your wife and your like that's might lioness or something like that. It was a nice pitcher guys out in the snowmobile on. Yeah. Just cool. How primal picture of her just like looking over my bag man is it was a cool shot. It was a cool shot. Like, she has your back. She and she plays hard with me. She's right there. Yeah. Like scuba diving. She's that's my die, buddy. Right. She goes, she's she's just a certified as I am. So how'd you meet her at a bar took a Reshad Evans in Amarillo, Texas. There's a shark fights. I don't know if you guys remember the short fights. But they were in town tap out. Was there we were doing like a tour and there's a country bar. I said for shod listen as a country bar into back. They gotta hip hop section. He's like I cal- let go and I met her that night at the bar. She couldn't resist my dance moves. Are you burn the souls in the boots? That's also man now, you made a human being, isn't that amazing brings you closer? You know, like you made a human, right? It's awesome. It is awesome. Were you there for the birth? Oh, yeah. Of course. And did you did you cry? Now cry pass out pussies like me do that. Jim. Now, you wanna pass out to they say, they see it happen. They went out. I mean, it was it wasn't real until the fight until I thought Perry. That's the one hit home. I fuck. Yeah. You brought them into the cage yesterday. But I mean, just like being backstage. That's when I cried when I sent me a picture of Mobutu bell buckle. And I was like oh. Yeah. Yeah. He probably never felt you have a feel those emotions before never easy insane. So three oh now is it different than you thought. It'd be. Yeah. Definitely good. She's so good. I like changing diapers and feeding and breaking up like sometimes she has to work. She's going to school to be a doctor. So she got to go do fourteen hour shifts. And I'm like, what do I do with it all day? I'm good like an hour. But then like, I don't when it cries and wakes up, and he fed and cries again, it's like Tammy little pastor. You don't wanna put you on a bowl. Right. Do you panic like I'm not gonna be able to handle it us? Something happens now. No. I'm not worried about something like that happening. But just how do I get into quit crying? That's you know, what do you do put him on the floor, and then player, this toys and shit. Do you home syndrome? That's a seeing. He's really good kid cry very often. He's only if something's wrong, you know. But he's cool. I bought him horse expensive ass horse. So eight months old they're gonna grow up together and pretty excited about it. Have you kind of held a monitor ready? Yeah. He'd been all around them all around him. Is this motivating you you Jimmy? No, no. I mean, listen to me. There's no nice to hear those things that you got to get going on which you you gotta start the training. It. Free. Now, the women I like don't have kids. Physically Cowboys ready for that. He's not ready. Women like every time. I see you told you this before every time. I see you hanging out with her brother. Right. And you'll be doing some wild shot loved. I be below. You know, you do in one day man, you're gonna hang, but you're sure some wild shit. I'm trying to think what the brothers thing. But that because I know we don't do while they do it. Well, we gotta you gotta be jumping out of planes. I will hang carriage rides. That's why that's exactly why you would. You'd sit you'd come out, and you'd watch from the car, and then you move up to the to the plane, and you back, I you guys made it I fuck it. Next time, I'm gonna do it. And then next time you're gonna do it. 'cause I got you. I got him other snowmobile and swimming, everything fun. Would you jump out of the plane? The first time the doors open is it is it hard to get yourself to go the first time. No. Because the training the training is so thorough, and you are so skilled in well because first of all when I took these guys skydiving for the first time, they didn't get a jump tandem with a buddy I made them jump solo by themselves. Do you need more hours of training? Three day. Course, you gotta go. Learn figure out what's wrong and go through all the steps. But then they opened that door and fucking go time, man. I always thought it'd be hard to breathe falling out of plane because we didn't win. There's wind rushing on your face. You were able to breathe on a problem. I mean your first job. It's like. Holy fuck. What was that? And then you're shoots open and you're just slowly fallen earth. Unless of course, you it starts off like that. There's an open fucking dead. The thing doesn't open right? You just click. The don't like box pull the light, boss. You're next shoot comes out to backups, right? One one backup. And let's just say you're in like a whirlwind spinning, and you don't even pull your shooting automatic release it fifteen hundred he's gonna blow. Jimmy big pussy. Yes. I know there'd be a problem. I know I'd pull it. I would just feel. I would just be holding a strange people. There are people that that splat what what is your well now function either malfunction over they're just pushing the limits. Oh, right or or they're colliding. Hitting kids in the room. But it's almost like that game Jimmy likes to play with the belt and the ship has out a little while. Yeah. Yeah. You can push the limits with that David Carradine was my favorite actress saying so you don't want to around the same. The better you get at anything further. You want to push the envelope. Right. So that's that's what it would. You do a high low jump those the halo jump. Yeah. So, hey, let's star at twenty five thousand thirty five thousand what are you open at ten thousand not probably in less than that. They probably they probably run it all the way to six five thousand feet. Yeah. You don't need. You don't need, you know, twelve thousand feet to decelerate. There was a footage of news footage of a guy who jumped out of twenty five thousand feet with no shoot into a net as cool. Yeah. It was. Yeah. He he jumped into a net. And it was guys that went down with them for a little while to kind of guide him, and he had no shoot on. And then when they got to a certain height to open their shoes. And then he just fell to a big net. It was I don't know how high the net was, but it just it collapsed with him and around him. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even think I'd go on one of those hot air balloons. No. Kill me. I don't know. Why would you just? The scenery dean Thomas said that God that we are looking for a fight. That's our next venture out air balloons, my greatest fears at the guy running the balloon as a heart attack. And I just keep going up and up in is not happening man how what are those vortex? Sorry, odds joke is fucking. They went to prison. What are what are those Texas people? Get caught up in. They do the paragliding or there's some there's a hot air rising vortex. You can get caught up in where people get sucked up into the atmosphere. You can get caught that while skydiving as well. But yeah, for sure so what do you do if that happens? With your skydiving and can pull you back up just with your shooting. I really pull you back up with us. The thermal clients are real rough. So that's what's so far man that shit. I don't do any of it. You know, Jimmy. So fighting is like it's just one more thing out of ten that you do that just kind of gets you that whatever that dopamine level you need to feel normal. Yeah. But it's probably number one. It is a one can love it. I love it. Why is it is it because it a crowd you'd ever anticipation is even sitting here fight? We'd cut in the weight doing the interviews making the weight eating senior family fight night nerves tunnel walk. Cheers standing across the cage. Fucking go time. The first punch. I punch raised interview. Man. It's cool. It's weird me. No matter. How many times you've done it? Like when when you're indicating they're announcing it's almost like the feeling, right? There could be different almost every sometimes you cools acute comes from ninety. Plus what's going through your head? Right. There is usually it's strange, isn't it, right? Because you can't. How many times you've been here? It's a different experience about like mental imagery and trying to visualize. But it's different every time. There's nothing you can do to recreate it. You can't really recreate were. Explain it to somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like we're here. Now, everything leads up to this either be the best. Neither the words because it's not it's not the same as getting in a fight downstairs. That's like right now of calling the moment. Anybody? You don't have the you know, how the eight weeks of thinking about another guy of training. You know, what I mean like the wait waiting in the waiting back waiting in the back. Hurry up fights trying to figure out what the right warm-up year. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy game. It's fun. Because if you have a fight like see you're in the main event and the Coleman is it ends with a knockout in the first round. I mean, you're going a lot sooner than you thought. Especially when you're like, all right. We have twenty five minutes from this last fight. Oh shit. It's time we rolling then they come out. You're in on in five you're on a four hour works. Right. They just tell you time ago. Yeah. You can't just pump the brakes, and it's one of the biggest things when you see a guy going from killing on the the minor leagues. Then he gets into the UFC is the energy around him. You got a nervous energy from people that trying to do their job making a show run. Right. You guys are on four. You got your their energy? You learn that's one thing. You learn what the experience the shut that off is not stalling without me. If I gotta take a shit. I'll think. The nerves gone right with my cop. Yeah. Right. Dean, tom. But you're right because like in a smaller shows, you can kind of dictate and it's just like some dude he walked you're you're not even on a hold on a level is let's just say dean, this is your first or your second fight in the AFC, your coaches, and the people that are with you or so like amped up in won't pushing you to win like we have to do this. You've got to do that. Right. So you're kind of like man back the fuck up. Give me give you almost too much to you know. So it's it's it's a lot to do that. Because you know, as a person who fought before I have that experience to know widow overwhelming coach does so I have to make sure back off the fighter and just giving us or overwhelming family. Oh, yeah. Well, that's the worst. There's nothing like your jungle. Louis come into like you'll man. I know you're calling me all night on Thursday. No, I can't go fucking beer with you. Yeah. Gets people. Fucker? You know what I mean? Do you change what your family and friends understand is they in their mind they bought their ticket? They bought the hotel. They're coming to see you. You fucking prick. Why can't you come down and meet me in the lobby for five minutes? Like you'll man. This is my show. Exactly. You gotta be selfish. You have to my show. No fucking in bed. I'm sleeping. I don't wanna go to dinner with you. Thanks for coming citing. You know what? I mean. I'm I apologize. But yeah, I've learned over the years. It takes time years to figure it out to say, no, you have to say, no this fight night. And that people you get text. What do you got? What are you doing after the fight? No, I got it. It might be could be in the hospital. The corner talking like my while wanna what time you think you get back to I have. No, I might be in the hospital. My guy I might be miserable. Like if I fights early and he loses. I don't I don't stick. If I could get out of jail, ROY, right? Oh, Lovie wins. It's just you're out. You're it's it's such a drastic thing of emotions worse for the fighter. But because the sure but it's worse for the for the corner guys too because you roller coaster. You're not thinking about to even if they come back before a fighter show. You're not thinking about that. But yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Good. Thanks. You're like looking past them. You have something. You don't wanna see them? Anyway, not gonna be a good interaction with our neighbor where we going. We're where's the spouse or hitting after the fight? He's actually man. I don't know. I'll tell you what I'm probably going to do go to fuck a bed. Oh, yeah. That's what always see I think that the public and especially media. They don't understand fighters. You have to have done it or be around them a lot to really understand them. Because people don't understand them. Like, you said, they they come in to see you think that you are. Air to see them, and they know him wildcard. So they're like, let's let's charge it up and go, and I'm like, man. I'm tired tired. Tired fucking tell the exciting for you to be in Vegas this weekend. You got it the past from your wife, but I got a a guy trying to hurt me on Saturday morning. I've been I've been concerned about this for the last two months adding dieting all week, and then I'll have to put all my energy into fifteen minutes. And now it's over, and you expect me to go out and party, man. And that's that's talking about women for a minute. That's finding. I'm so glad I met my girl early in my career and she's been through this roller coaster like when I say, hey, I'm going to Boston for three months of training. She's like cool. You don't go fucking bother me. She lets me do my thing. But I see all these new guys the ranch they them they get these new girlfriends, and they disappear in the girls. Like, you're not spending time on me. I need you. So girls are listening. Fuck you gotta give these guys their space. Man. You gotta let them. To do what the fuck they got did because our mindset is. So like crazy, right? We're crazy motherfucker for getting in there. And then I got you nagging on me trying to weigh me down and tell me what I know bitch shut the fuck up. I'm about to go kill him on the fucker Ladele was gonna fight one time in the girl was hit him with an ashtray the night before or something he has. Smashed them drunk. Yeah. Went on one. But I mean, it's the night before a fight. They just don't or anything. They just don't understand like leaving alone. You're not giving me the time. I need. It's just like I mean, Sarah, you know, like your wife your Vegas for the weekend. Yeah. Like in your mind. You're like, yes. You'd give me earn her mind. She's like, yeah. She's giving you a hall Bashar going to biggest in your mind. You're like man, I'm going to take them a smash Poesie in fog and party. Like, no, a wish you women could come with us and see how much no fun. We have you ain't that the truth. It's no fun. It's we don't we're not we're not in Vegas style. And e no, we're free chicken boiled chicken. You know, what I mean, you guys may as coaches, maybe sneak away and gator get something down there in the lobby. You know what I mean? But it's not late nights sauna. Couldn't wait working out fight day. Figuring out how you want to go. Do what you wanna do visually? You're with your guy after the fight. Everyone's in bed. Yeah. It's Vegas to five AM flight. The next morning news, though, it's like and these girls, especially the young. Fighters are like your Vegas. You're gonna fucking fuck is needed relaxing chill. Man. You have the thing too. There was the old the old fighters will you don't fuck the week of the fighter on all the time. I don't know. I don't believe in that shit either. Yeah. I've heard different things about it. Listen, I don't want to be the fun police, but we said half an hour. He's gotta get uptown. It's very very gracious to on to question three you guys. Did you ever have to piss or shit? Once you got inside every never inside. But as soon as I put my Cup on. I gotta be. So you have to stop it. It's a ritual right can joke money put it on they wrap your hands. Dammit, not piss and then trying to do the poll down cook dick out. I I to get a beer date because it just doesn't it's hard to get out of the Cup and maneuver around. I don't know auto you just pull the Cup aside at stand straight outlets. Gary pull this side. Couple of side you're wearing like like a tight. So you got four everything down. So you're listening to like a five year old of the onnell. I still Stanley. Before. Yeah. All right. Listen cowboy thanks so much. I'm sorry about it. Alexander Hernandez this Saturday night. And he didn't wanna make sure I get Sarah said the young hungry lion. Yes, come unto the throne that do that alone. Listen, it's gonna be fireworks. That kid is come in. And you always come to fight. We've listened Beardon OB. We love you cowboy door for old guys man door for the old guys. That'd be a weirdo being called the you're not because you don't see. Well, you know, I mean, but for thirty five sport I mean, but hey, I've been to the top of the game the whole career. So fuck you fuck years. Right. You both fighting for something. I mean, he's if he beats you it's it's a huge name for him to be the biggest name. He's fig if it's a big block. And and if you beat him, I probably get you a top five five both have something. This is a big fight for both you and unlike the Thomas, I think you match up very, well, we'll compete. All right. Listen cowboy for coming in. Let's take a break. That was great. Thank you to cowboy throwing I I love talking to him. He's just a really really interesting guy. And he is crazy. He's he's not just all anyone who fights his kind of crazy. Yeah. But way, he lives. Yeah. There's to know you're going to do that and to train for that into volunteer to get kicked Pont you. It's it's a crazy way to make a fucking living. So it'd be a fireman. But the idea that he jumps out of planes just adds to. He's just insane wants to wear a squirrel suit. I don't blame them for wanting to. I would love to do that we fund to fly for the digital. They do a parachute. Oh, so you you're not gonna fall parachute. I dunno kill when they railway a squirrel suit where you. Spite of me and suit when he has this love on the. Yeah. And you can just kind of fly around for a little bit giants strode on your back. Looks like he's gonna play a video. It's insane. And these guys will do it and they get killed when they hit mountains or trees or whatever 'cause you're zipping through the air. And so if you if you hit something you're finished nothing. Nothing. Nothing. It doesn't when I see it. It doesn't strike me as something like that. It looks really fun though. You know, I'll do it on virtual reality. I'm not doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, look at this. Yes. See that thing. Look like, a squirrel. That thing is a parachute. You fuck up. If you hit the rocks or something, you're dead. It's a video game one one. They're going so fast. How do you land? Yeah. Then probably with a parachute. You I mean, they're going over a mountain. You really have to know what you're doing do what this guy watching a video of a guy going right over the top of the mountain. But then he goes higher and now the parachute. I'm sure help him if he wanted to help them. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think it looks really fun straight up a little bit too to catch. More wind slow yourself down. Yeah. I know. I would I here's what I would do. I would put my arm into its my ear, and I would want it to spiraling fucking asshole. How close to the mountain while he is like this. This guy is you know, he's probably doing one hundred twenty miles an hour or so miles an hour. That's how those guys get Weisgall. You call one of those death wishes. I'm not into that shit. Jimmy. Hey, do your your guy by d not neither my is. In is in the co main. Yeah, we hardly prize. Yes. Greg card three and all I think he has heavyweight fighter. Tremendous punch. How much wrestling is he prepared for or ju jitsu or so here's here's what happened. You know, I had a stat guide do some stats on certain fighters on how much time they actually spend wrestling sorta I in fight. So that was how I kind of based my time we put in on wrestling. And it's about fifty percent. So we spend about fifty percent of the time wrestling. So this guy he's fighting ice fighting Alan Crowder is ninety three. So he's definitely got a good amount more experience. I don't know how many you have see fights. But he was a football player before. And did he fight amateur before that or did he just play football? And then decide to do this who Greg cardinal he and three amateur fights. He did you hear three amateur for? I mean. Mean like before he got into a until it got when he was playing football. No, no, no. He wasn't. He wasn't training at all when he's playing football. But well, he so when he started training he actually played in like Richmond. So he had like went back and played like some like smaller league to do that. But like when he was planning NFL wasn't. He wasn't training at all. How did you guys? Meet. They brought him in Malka, you know, mount he knocking Callard too. Yeah. Yeah. Look at why are you like that? Is he does he did? He used to sell cars or snake oil. What does that guy? It just sounds. He just talks really fast. He's a nice he tossed, but he's an AJ. From first round management. So they brought him in. And you know, we we have a good situation as far as like living arrangements. So. So they brought him in and he lived in dorms for two years. And he still does. Now, you just the guy like a mercenary was as far as your training. Like, you don't have to get to know anybo-. You just don't you're there are you there? Just for the paycheck. Dean thomas. I'm sure I mean, you might be close with some people if you like a fucking Volk it's getting goes to anybody. Right now, I have some tomorrow. He's like who's who's gonna look for a fight? Fuck that sometimes sometimes on listen, I prefer I prefer to care about them before preferred. But you don't give a shit to sometimes like if they go. Hey, well, you know, I mean like your job coaching. We get a lot of like we get rushing come coming all the time. I don't even have conversations with. But I still got to train them got still work with them. But then like the guys that lived there like I have to like them to work with them new because it would obviously come through a little personality things. There's no way to do it. If you don't like him. But that's why that's why like we're working with the Russians is good. Because you know, I don't know how with the personalities because we never have a conversation. It's just training. So do you do you? Obviously, you watch demand is fight. Yeah. Of course. I and how amazing was that? Oh, man. I mean, even I was surprised. You fast was fast. No one thought I run. I'm sorry. No, no, one thought to be the first one. Sean. I mean, if you thought it was gonna be a first round knockout, you thought it would be the other way around. I had to pick to my decision. Did you really yes? What happened? How can you know work on on the mall? Fight hard to know that go right to the. Got doors gotten reports like I scout all her opponents up scout scouted. Every when our opponents since take dean mother f in Thomas, you don't need to be in anybody's. You know, you don't need to have your face at a corner is what I'm saying. I think I think trying to say, no. Com. Maybe you're too busy. When it took about your partner, j the second part of it is that you say because I don't like I don't have to like them. Sometimes I it comes a lot. You know? Sometimes it comes off as I don't like people because I don't hold fighters hands. You know what I'm saying? So like if I'm not there a lot because I'm busy I'm running around doing something fighters like we need somebody who's a little bit more attentive. She wanted to be more president who has been so. Yeah, maybe so and no, no, no, no. Maybe like we're just kind of like, we goofed around a lot. And like, maybe she can't take me serious. Okay. I think that might have a lot to do with it too. So when you scout cyborg. You you go you watch you watch your fight something like cyborg. What do you say to a man? That's like, okay. This is how you can beat her. Well, I had my ideas. And was I listen, you know, Kasai bore, you know, she's she's solid. You know what I mean? Like she's like prior to this fight like even when she got hit. She was able to take it. Well, and she barely got hit. Like, I got a Harley home hit her seventeen percent of the time. She only hitter seventeen percent. So she's very difficult to hit. So I was like we gotta strike. Yeah. For sure. So like the goal was for me. Like, I didn't I wasn't all that important in her cammo wouldn't like important piece of her camp. But I said you gotta be able to hit her. That's the key. If you can't hit it in, obviously, I know it sounds like, you know, the obvious should really it's like you gotta be able to when you throw shots. You gotta just touch her. Gotta be accurate, and she was and she so aggressive cyborg. It's to the point of being practically predictable. It's almost like you end. Eventually Silva is not like he's going to get on his bicycle was getting away from me. He's usually gonna book and come out, you'll Tasmanian harder. That's what she does. And. I liked how Amanda brought a Br brought that up when afterwards when we talked to her how she knew if she tagged her get ready for to come forward, and then or some more and she did look easing. I think it meant is that she didn't get hurt. But it looked like cyborgs stunner wants to look like there was a time. I remember it was a right or left. But it looked like she did kind of hurt her really on. She hit her. You know, she hit her like they both at each other almost like at the same time and Amanda recovered quicker. She got back on her. She got her legs onto her quicker. And that's one of the things she decided to go. You know what let's do this. Let's stand toe to toe, and that's the prize to me. Well, a man I meant a new cyborg is going to bring as far as strength. Maybe maybe suburb. Underestimated amend is power. She had to she had. I mean, why wouldn't you when you think an odor coming up from wait, you know, and you know, cyborgs never been like I said she barely gets hit. And when she does get hit. It's never clean. Why would you why would you twenty straight wins? Why would you expect that we don't know now? Yes, she won't she will know now. But she does she had Halle Berry in the audience whenever you have a celebrity. And there if I have a guy or woman, I'm trying to date comes in and watch it before my who who was highly. Therefore, I think she was ever sidewalk. She's she's got a movie coming out to she was training at cyborgs, GMC sheep. Don King switcheroo came with a mandate. That's what to me. I mean. I could be wrong. All listen. I respect that. Because that's the that's the exact reason. I don't go to Jimmy sets because I'll have a celebrity friend in the audience. Yeah. And he'll be like, I don't wanna make you nervous batching you. Yeah. He holds me in that high regard. I know he worked with calls him. Bobby deniro? Yeah. But listen, I would think. I don't wanna make him feel like he's gonna let me down for Joel bomb i-it's virtual well. Well, we'll try I went and supported him because he's my friend Jimmy. But in other words, he's not going to get nervous with you in the really that would never follow. But. You know, what it really pains me to give you a compliment. But I'm going to do it. I was watching. Now, I seen you on on on Rogan's podcast, which was good. That's great. That's fun. You know, like both you guys. Oh, yeah. So that's why buddies. Yeah. You know, and I I skip through till here my name, and I listened to that. And then I, you know, I'm sure the rest of it was good. Thanks. Early. That's not me had to come up early. But listen you were talking about your online, you're BJ online site. Was it an apt in the cat is a website here. Now, I was ready to shit on it. Because listen now, this is a compliment. This is give you a compliment. I just watched your I want to talk about what is actually it is because I thought it was just geared for BJ for MMA. I wasn't sure. And you didn't you didn't do a great job talking about it on on Joe Rogan? No offense. Finished minutes compliment because how are you? Like the shank hear me. Kidding? A map to complement. And I literally lead watched it lead. By literally watched it when I go. At Penn station. Just now I want to your Instagram poker. And it was you showing a scene and you will wearing a wig. So I was about to shit on you because I thought it was a shitty improv blended. I what is this BG online is shitty improv together with some horrible technique. I was about I listen, I got a call it the way I see Jimmy. Because this doesn't say what did you say? It does not see Comoro lead. Jim you don't want people at home. But the thing is this. I know my shit Jim being Thomas I've been on the Mets. I watched the thing that you would the wig on any any. And it was it was basically street self defense for when it's the hatless knife three girls. This was great. It was deemed a wig. Fighting forty Jim Norton. So it was no girls. What are you see all the time on these on these streetfighting videos, and whatever, you know, I don't wanna give anybody plugs for that. But you know, they watched the girls like pulling hair and beating the crap out of each other. It's very common in a Crotty studio. Whatever you don't, you know, you don't really see them addressing type of punching people in the face, and this and that so usually pull away he showed on this video the proper, and you never see it the proper technique how to bend the arm get that coins. If you're attacked in this. Yes. And that's what it's made for jitsu. So how come you didn't talk about this on your Rogan? I know I know your shit. I'd have a great opportunity. You know, even though we talked for three hours went by so fast did like by the time. We got to talk to you it. It was like oh my God. Did you make it through the whole Rogaine without pissing? I can't do a Rogan without pissing three times. Get high test coffee me man, I give a tiny little bladder. Yeah. Me too. But I got it out, man. I got it out. Wait a second. Man was I you talking about Camelback thrown fuck online academy. I wanna know. What exactly is it tell you? What told Joe Rogan that man people aren't using jitsu? And they did it. You didn't do it the best show that will cause us as it said, it doesn't work ju jitsu doesn't work. You take down your pets? You your mouth them? It doesn't. I'm like, wait a second. What the fucking? So basically what I'm saying? There are different types of jitsu. Yes. You know what I'm saying? And so well, let me go ahead. My man is here. So I got I got the floor manager Kenny Kim from Atlanta. So we did a seminar coal millers. And and you know, he's a gay guy and you'll have to vet was whole Miller. Yeah. UFC vent Coleman. Okay. So. Kenny the gay guy. And he's got a tremendous academy in Atlanta so coal brought us into a seminar, his academy. So like, I'm doing the MA stuff and he's doing a gay stuff. So then months after once house when you call up say, hey, man, we'd need to collaborate because it's true, man. Like when you think about jitsu like it just kinda disconnected somewhere. Where like the geese stuff went this way. The MMA stuff went this way. And then everybody's still forgot about the self defense stuff. It's taboo, words self like. Ooh, I wanna do something that. Yeah. Go sounds like the way they sold karate thirty years ago. But it really is. It reminds people what it is. It's it's why people fell in love with you to like the purest for sure because it's what works we're packing today. People to know what works so Brazilian you to works in real life situation. It absolutely works. But the way a lot of people learn it now from the beginning, it's not gonna work because they're not learning how to deal with situations like that you can pull guard and go for a leg lock. But if you can't get out of a headlock punching hundred ahead, you are not going to be. You're not gonna work 'cause you're still in a place that you can't get out of. So in our in our online academy we address every situation we're trying to address all the situations. Whether it's self defense Jiu jitsu forever may engine for competition. How headlock if a guy on a train and had I can get out of a headline. What if he's a big guy? I can still do it. I hope somebody puts me in a guy. I pray somebody attacks me, I prayed, I want them. I wish I had a longer neck get I don't have much of a neck, so. Going to do that. Anyway, where how do you mix it up? Is it like I go online. And I go on there is it. All right. I'm gonna go. All right. I wanna learn about this or it's whatever you give me tell go online. And that we have it. We have it sectioned off into subjects where it's like. Yeah. Jitsu for major for competition for self defense. And we were breaking it down and it subscription base on what constantly adding techniques to it. If guest appearances, and we wanna have some guests to pay. I'd like to get you on their kid to get my name out something going, you don't say I'd like to be honest victim. Something tells me you're going to be wearing. Yes. The guest victim. But I think the self defense stuff is the stuff that people be most interested in because most people who are training to fight have a trainer in. There's a lot of places to go for the self defense is where you're gonna get to play a lot of people who don't know anything about fighting over never fought like myself. And that's what we wanna four is the fact that you're on the subway, and there's a guy who just got released from Rikers making eye contact like what do I do with this guy? Fucking grabs me. Well, I mean, and that's what I'm getting a lot of now. Like a lot of my buddies who don't train a lot on. My improv nerd friends. Always like men. That's great. Gimme more than that. You know, like, I don't care about all the all this other fancies have give me more and that stuff. That's what I need. Even I watch more of those videos of the streetfight videos. Not that I liked that. I like to see what's out there. And what's what's what's happening? Why is this guy? Getting why the greatest knockouts will these guys their body positionings is about to be disguising clearly in your endanger, right now, this guy doesn't even know you guys endanger, and they don't even know it. Yes. Far as guy squaring. Within their body postures all wrong, their stances, just all they're all open. It's not like they have to sit there with their hands outlet get ready for but it's just. But. Swinging today pullbacks I loved when you when you just did that video you wear in the fucking wig with a self defense for the girls, and then we trying to pull away with their then I can out of you could use. This is Erik Paulsen back in nineteen seventy seven I James wearing WCC. You don't want to talk about. He's fucking awesome. This guy's an old school fire. And I had a great career. He's one of the unsung heroes. He's a pioneer and. He back and he was an tournament where Hensel ended up winning the tournament. We'll. World combat something it was w CCN something. I don't know. I it lasted one event. But Hensel one the thing he ended up beating a guy James wary. Who's a big heavyweight boxer us? He was a kick. But he's actually flurry in Florida. Now, it was a bad game man do for sure he wrapped Erik Paulsen air force at a law. Had a long ponytail, right? He wrapped it up around his head. Shoot out of him. And he was like apartment a better martial artists. Dodie he he could use that video out of it. You're right. Did not know how to get out of who's trying to pull away. Yeah. He's trying to pull away thinking he could just rip the hair out of say don't pull away. No, golden, please go to Thomas's Instagram, Chris, the producer. Thank you. Krista producer yellow I want to see this. I don't have hair. Right here. Put the sound on the people here. What are you putting anything on there that can't be on me or anything? I don't think. So I don't wanna get sued. Not thomas. Let's see. This is all you follows went off that look Joe. Thanks, john. Thanks, Joe Rogan that one day. I was fighting not yet one that one right there. They click on that. And let's see if we could hear it. Let's let the audience what's going on. Very common problem. That's the new character to dean quesion girl. Probably guys with long hair. They will in donor how to deal with it. So I haven't. Like this. So the worst thing you can do is pull away you're not gonna break the grip by pulling away. So this is how you handle that situation when they grab your hair like this. You obviously got hit so many like this then. Then the arm on in. Right around the way. So when you step in you put your head right in the chest because they can't pull your hair from this. This problem not pull away when a grant they better. Dean Thomas, people say hit this thing. Too much. That's the applause, that's the applause button, blah, appreciate in this room. I'm hit me. That's not a slow club. You know, why? Because I'm Chris wideman shown to my kids today. Nothing. I see your your son ethan's hair right now show it to him before you leave this fucking room. Well, actually. Yeah. Yeah. He knows five four back in the day dot on your head against the rules. But I'll be doing my mcgregor's Kabibi cheating like a month. Well, he knows like he has this. And this is what he trains trains like the self defense portion. That's all you need is kids. Hey, he's got a nice head of hair. I know everyone. Everyone's always got better hair to you might man. I love that technique though. 'cause that's all about me. And you know, what I mean like I said that all the time. I it's that simple. But that's affected. That's why like team Thomas. He simple yet effective. Yes, I'm gonna take something. I gotta Distin case. I'm a man cost me on the subway. But the problem is like if you go to school, depending on where you go like, you might go into might be a competition bay school, and that that won't really necessarily help you for the streets. Yeah. So like, you wanna make sure that you can go somewhere where you can actually, you know, learn how to defend yourself, right? And if you don't, hey, go to the website train BJ online dot com. Yeah. I would always I think if I had to obviously just trained with the game not gate for what am I going to be professional fighter? Trainer. Had with a gay like a train without one. I one. Out of shape, but with dean's trying to say like what what his point with that is there's some guys that way with the key. And they don't they'll just treat it like sporty in a sense where they'll do moves with that gay like, dude, I there's some things out there. Like, I'm not talking. I had Keenan Keenan Cornelius at my school did a seminar. Nice kid dangerous. I like them. But I mean, there's certain moves or it is like worm guards and had taken the anything that you have to start on dressing the guy and taking his long, I got to me the Giza jacket, like I'll strangle the sky the same way with a north face jacket on as I will what is key Jack. It's a jacket, and you could use a jacket to manipulate balance. You could use it to strangle. But once you're taking it out, your feeding it through, and I'm going man, you lost me. Now. It's getting fucking weird. I can't break the grip. But you know, I had the fuck really just undress. It was a weird. It is possible. If I'm wearing this hoodie to strangle me with the hoods. Silly question. Beat up. Anybody told guy? Majority of people of. Guys, got me confused, and you know, and misconstrued what I was the point. I was trying to make like I have nothing like, I'm just guy. But I have nothing against like sport competitions. You think it's beautiful. I think it's the best. It's ever been and Keno canoes is great. But you know, a lot of that stuff. When you're learning it from the beginning, it's not gonna work in the street. It's not practically say something about the point system introduced to on. No, no, no, no, no, no all in about the point system. Is it like MMA guys are they sometimes they confuse that with you know, doing jujitsu forever may like they're trying to get points. They're gonna positions that would give them points introduced sue. And I was saying that you shouldn't you should focus on punching a guy and his face and knocking his fucking teeth out of his mouth too. But, but you jitsu like, for instance, with that the mentality by mentality of the say, I'd say IB JJ F rules of two points. Take down three points pass a God. Forbid a position the best points. You get the most points. You get hooks in the back flat hooks in both hoax or mounts. Okay. Right. If you have that mentality, and you could say watch fighting for points. No. But the most points for the better position for a fight. So yeah, maybe I'm fighting for points. It might serve me in the Ivy JJ, but it's also going to serve me in a real fight because these points are based on what's best in a real fight. Yeah. For sure like like, my thing is if you get somebody if you could. Yeah. Yeah. If you can get to the mount. Yeah. That's great one hundred percent. But sometimes I get an MA fight. It just takes too long. It just takes too long chess. Speech just kind of go fast. And then you have the ref telling you to hurry to make a move you not have enough. Yes. Matched. Right. Hurry. That's not the same thing. People say, it's chess. It is. But sometimes being strategic is letting the guy if you have like an hour match. It's a total different like mentality. Jitsu relies the old school Torrance Gracie Gracie brothers where survival and guys mount them and get you know, tire a guy out like Elliott, gracie's nee. Get him what he's week which doesn't. It's not, you know, that's not really great mass. That's not that's not going to help you. Is that a w and that's you know, it's not gonna help you. M either I can think because I had that mentality. When I was I lost about five fights having that mentality. You just losing losing getting getting pulling guard waiting and waiting and waiting rounds over. Yeah. He right before I fought him. Jimmy. We fought them the same card where we had a four. We had a light man tournament myself with Thomas we were two of that guys in that tournament at it started with me fighting BJ pen and him fighting Ono cow. Great Kowloon, another unsung hero. Yup. Who had wars with pen for sure? And he was a just a talented guy that a lot of people never heard of on fortunately Japan. I'm sure he's the alleged. But, you know, tough guy and Tina battles would who know, you know. And so I lost the BJ. Okay. And then I then dean lost. No. But when he lost to him. It was weird because he kept pulling guard he pulled guard. So then I had the next to the two guys. It was. So I'm like, listen, I hope this guy. He's gonna pull guard again. He's gonna pull guard again. And when he does eat them up. I was wait, dude. It was like trying to capture lightning that was all over muggy blessed. And now, I was like I am not pulling guarding pull guard because I I knew that you had better jujitsu than noted like it would always crafty on top. But he didn't have the accurate that you have. Well, I didn't get on. You're not pulling guard. And it didn't work out. Great for me. I got cut off the cut after that. Listen to we all got cut. They dropped a division. We all got cut after this. Not true dean, Tom, but you got caught after that fight. Yeah. We all. Did they jumped a division? Remember BJ all of us. They they they know they did it after that a the division. But then they brought it back. That's how I got back. I guess we both came back on fighters season four I came back before you did. Yeah. You didn't come back since then. No the fuck. I was your last fight. Then he brought you back for the final four. It's weird that at all. Yes. It's. That's not true. No, they probably back. If I can't pseudo. Oh, did they didn't happen? Well, me I was supposed to fight gangqi pseudo too. We had him shook that work. I wish I did. Because I he pulled out three weeks before and then BJ stepped in. And that's when I for BJ, listen who want bested both of us want a brick. This kid is here and you bring that up Jimmy. But but he did say you want the strongest do you have a locked up with? Yeah. I was young in scrappy back. Then you won't. Yeah. I was like a sophisticated. We hit. Do you another like? You did wear a do ragle. Yeah. We'll do rag. We we we show Faulk. It's getting late. Let's picks me the time to go down to Maryland mind. Now, I don't want to forget to let's do it. Let's do it time who's fighting play the picks music. Title. No, let's do something. I'm breaking beef jerky. My side, I'm not gonna eat Rome. Saw denounce hungry. Do the first pick. What's call robust is less. You fights Roberson to Sherry's. The first fight on the main card and card media Carl Robertson stepped in for young kouteh lobby. Wait is this. Yeah. Isn't it Roberson? Denny fight. It a welterweight last time. No he was at middle middle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's fine. He's he's he's been up and down you. But anyway, but he's stepping in. He stepped in on January eleventh, replacing the end catella. So his last fight was a unanimous decision. Win over Jack Marsh, Jack marksman I thought he fought amid a wave his role. No, yeah. No, it's middleweight. And then global has he he knocked out Michel circuit off. And then lost to Corey Anderson by unanimous decision. This was easy to share a second round knockout. Oh, man. I don't know. I'm gonna go with to shared decision. Doing the same as the great dean Thomas decision. Yeah. Global? Okay. Although limited to write it down. I'm gonna take lover by. Yeah. I'm gonna go second round knockout, also because he's preparing for Cousy lava who's an animal Robertson isn't. But that guy just keeps trying to take your head off. So he's probably preparing for that type of foot and the next fight is. How do you say your name is an ostrich Rachel Austin? I guess paid van Damme. Making a she's coming back after that. I guess she had arm surgery. Yes. She broke her forearm, and then it healed improperly incorrectly. And they have to go back in. Yeah. So that was her last fight and then Rachel ostriches coming off of a. She got rear naked choke loss to Montana de LA Rosa in her last night. And then obviously she had some out of competition incident with their husbands and stuff. But she she is ready to fight. I'm gonna take page by decision because she was basically fighting with what Armin that last fight. Okay. I also like page, but I think I think page finishes are somehow how dean Thomas around. I'm gonna. For now, you know what she's not gonna finish this? You're gonna win by decision. Page will win by decision. Third round Rennick choke based on the same card as Rachel ostriches. Father. Are you serious back in wide? I think I'm older than you to held you forty to me. I swear it. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck I'm gonna take rich lots of by decision. I think she's like superman not the pages that motivated, but I think Rachel's probably. To win this fight next up. We have Joseph benefit Essen, Dustin RT's, a rematch benefit has won the first one by unanimous decision. He's to say when we talked to him that he doesn't typically win rematches. Am I incorrect? He's never won a rematch. But in fairness that have the rematches against cruise and mighty mouse. So nobody really wanted Joseph and I'm sorry Joseph by decision victory. Bye. I'm sorry. Mccain Sagan then. Decision Bennett beat us. Third round Tico. I'm gonna go because y'all said that I'm going to go Dustin Ortiz. I think he's asleep or sometimes I think he's got the ability to finish it is early. I think he can catch them early. Not that he's like that much better. I think he'll catch him early. Okay. All right. I'm gonna take benefit has been decision. But I think you're right. I mean Ortiz is not like a joke that that is fighting against. But I'm gonna take benefit Jimmy think he's a joke. Now, all of a sudden. Greg Gillespie against. That's a really really good fight. Glen. He's undefeated. What is he twelve? Our my remembering somebody, let's pull up here. I think he might be more than twelve and you might be right. He is twelve hundred okay and against Madero who's fifteen and five or what did what did what Gillespie's less two inch? How did they win? He's really fun to watch. You only pulled up his submission. I think in the last fight was an arm. Triangle choke over Vincent shell in his last one. And then he knocked out Jordan Rinaldi before that. But he's five in the UFC. One decision. He's got to four finishes. So he he's he's a real contender. I know I'm gonna take him second round finish overdose. You say second round finish. Yeah. So I was gonna say really, anyway, whatever you feel. Yes. Would you tell me what to say? I'm sorry guys. We all get along too. Good either spice it up. Yes. I shouldn't eight speaking to spice up I should not have down that fucking beef jerky. I feel so sick right now why nothing better than a nice beef jerky. Visit on the shelf. Couldn't get healthier. Fuck to take it a homeless guy shoe and eating the shit. But all I'm not gonna. It didn't hit me. Right. But didn't didn't? Okay. I'm gonna say Matt your head is sweating. Look at it his wedding on my head is sweating Oli. Do what did you? All right. So I'm I've been sobbing high. I've been high on Gregor Gillespie for a while. And I think he's got a Mendes Lee slick game that I don't think Yancy Medeiros is prepared for. I don't think he's ready for that type of pressure and that type of skill level with that speed. And I don't think he makes it out of around. You think I did you pick? I know you're gonna go you're gonna go I'm going Greg Espy second round submission. I think that's where he has a huge advantage over yet. See I'm going to take less be second. But I think if I honestly I feel like if he can get at it around against us, but he might be able to win. So that's why I've been goodness be gets him out of there. You know? Yep. Nonni third shut up. Sorry. I didn't mean guys. I don't mean to tell me to shush. Sorry. Sometimes I get like Joe pitchy going to get a pen, and Jeb and someone's I wish you were like him at the casino. Listen to me, I'm going with Gregor. Bless gillespie. Why is that? Dude. But I think Yancey is pretty durable. But and he's in he's doing he's durable. Like to getting hit and stuff. But he always comes back from that, man. But I think Gillespie surround stop is submission game. Regular second stop. I want to pretend like I said at first because I wanted to say that Jimmy Jimmy took my thunder, you know, because Jimmy's been off him. Why am I so combative? I don't know. Why am I talking everybody? Look at you, man. You got your damned your head. You're eating beef jerky. Everybody sub specialty young Ethan. Yongle Matt apologizes. This is some things that you never changed. Look how messy. Jerry Andy rapper. No good. Coffees. No, she look at ovation absolute mess. No candy. And I'm still mad at you for bringing me this grape soda the frontier. Cowboy was here when I brought up about dean's pick. What Joe Rogan if dean was fighting you'd be a couple of you go like this. I was just come. You just one second. It would be the whole cover. It won't second. It would be deemed dick tuck Thomas is what? I got a little nervous for a minute. What do you mean, you wouldn't be a bad batch? And he has all the ingredients at the beef that could be whatever his name is look at your area. Looks like the fire campsite. Look at it. Look at it. You guys flip this thing on me combative, very mess. I came out. I came out pushing you guys get you guys in the corner. Now, you're fighting back up and like Blake like a bully. I don't like it. You wear a teacher. That's as savage on your like. Dave, right, right. It is the Komai. Greg hardy against Alan Crowder. Alan Crowder is nine in three. He lost his last fight. Which was is you have see debut. She got knocked out by Justin Willis. I'm jimmy. I know you're honest too. So I want you to be honest. Even though I'm here. I would be very honest about what I am going to take. I'm. If he was fighting somebody more experienced I would pick again, I'm going to take hardy in a first round TKO. I think he's gonna come out extremely motivated, which again that can work against you. In the first round, you come out, a more experienced fighter can fucking allow you. Just a punch yourself out a little bit. And then by the second round your finished. But I think the Greg hardy come out very very motivated. And he really did look good. When I watched him fight first round TKO, tell me about Allen crabs last fighting in. It was a it was his UFC debut. He lost the Justin Willis it was a first round knockout halfway through the first round and his record. He's nine and three overall. Only one UFC fight one those UFC jitters, how many in Greg hardy three and he's got he's professionally three nobody has six anime fights. Overall, three amateur fights also Allen crowded trains again with who. Let me see where it says. It doesn't say it doesn't all knockouts amateur. Yeah. And how about his? Yeah. He's he's never not not someone. Who'd you say Allen Crowder trains with it doesn't say on the sheet. No, it isn't. No, it's very important to you. Info on if you want to make up how picked when I don't. Do you know who he might produces? It's I don't know who he trains what he trains for. So I think he in fact, he just opened up the school so Alan crowded. Yeah. Okay. What are you proud to do in his last fight? He got knocked up by Justin will I'm gonna change my pick. I heart is gonna win. But I do not think he's just gonna come in and smoke a guy who has twelve fights. Because he's one too many in a row by knockout. You don't just go in seven or eight fights in a row by knockout fighters just don't seem to fight that way. I'm gonna take hardy by decision. I think this is gonna be the first time he's pushing for interesting. Well, I don't wanna make it awkward guys, as you know, the whole time the shows being on this this the whole hour and change. I never wanted to make anything awoke in here. Yeah. I can tell Greg haughty. We'll take a hardy beating in the first round by Alan Crowder there. It is. I said I said I'm sitting in front of you. I want to my good friends. Yes. I did everybody. I said it hardy I'm taking Greg hardy by everybody. I wanna be different. He's so fast, so Atlantic. I mean, I I don't think that that crowd is going to be the guy to challenge him. Maybe not taking him down or whatever. I think it's going to stay on the field as twelve fights Crowder. I just think he may may smart enough to tie hardy up if possible, you know, you keep the festival, I don't know. I just have affiliates. It's not gonna be as easy as it's been with amateur fighters. No here. Alan crowder. Listen, he knows he knows that Craig haughty knocks people out, and he knows that he hurts people, but dean Thomas will tell you to hurt people on a time. You're that. It'd be hurt ain't that right team. Tom. God damn hurt. You I know chasing chasing me around. Anyway, I brought back, but we. Dillashaw against a hudo. I think that that fish my point. Yes, look, you just have. No, you didn't finish your point the door. Well, you were saying. I did pick him. Let's keep going. All right. So hudo, I T J dillashaw now for fight. Yeah. This is interesting because nobody's really nobody's talking about the hoodoo at all in this fight throughout Jake. Yeah. Seems but that's kind of a good thing though. You know, when because there's no pressure on you. He don't feel no pressure. When you look at their last fight. And how dynamic TJ looked would Cody it looked it looked awesome. Yeah. Like Killys verse heartily, right, man. But he did look these out he's slipping punches. He's hit lillies. What did you like three either right hand left? He it was. Me because we both picked Cody to to win that rematch. And he just he knocked him out again. And then you look at. So who does fight he, but it was more calculated any outpointed mighty mouse in a close fight. But when you look at what he's done right in that fight. It was very impressed. Yeah. And it was it was annoying enough that could he do that similar game plan to TJ Jimmy? No, oh, no. I don't think so confident now, I just think the TJ's third round stoppage. I think. Yeah. In the throughout. I think you will. I I have I actually have exactly the same thing. If third round knockout, I think TJ is coming in fast. I think we talked about it. The other day the difference in the size in their training to who to looks really big. I think he's gonna come in a little heavy. I think teachers is going to come in a little bit the opposite fast. And lt. He'll still have power at that way to going third right now. Fourth-round finish Fatih, Jay. And I listen. And you know, I love it on the dog. I do here especially ones that are like, you know, who. I believe Suda Suda. Yeah. I'll look it up. But it's close first title defense. You know? I don't I don't know how he'll handle that TJ's been been in this before. And not only that Jimmy you ask like like I like Muslim Cowboys been held down and beat up. Right. Does. I'm teaching has been held down and ever. I mean, he's he's gonna be hard to take down. That's the way he moved. He moved. He switches standard, so well, and he punches from news angle. So Ryo does seem to be a problem home. I got TJ two and four. So that's good. All right. The TJ. I mean, there's the site that I'm looking at him and he's a minus two hundred hundred. So it's a two to one favorite. So that's right. That's actually pretty good in that went, right? Well, listen, man. What else do we wanna plug? We're going to be getting Adia. This had no West Palm be there tomorrow and Saturday night at the improv. So you did that because you know, I wasn't going to beat her. I. I know. But I specifically check the schedule and I want out of New York. Oh, really? The fight for free. Go to West Palm talked a bunch of old people. We're gonna fucking hate me. The fight. So this Saturday Jimmy, and you know, my name, but my name is a cool really quick really quick. And. What are you doing? My my buddy. Joey goes. I wanna come over. We're having a we're having a party over. It's only maybe I'll stop in the fight through on me about pop in for a drink something. Because I the only thing is it. It's it's like a naughty Santa party. I'm like listen to me. This is my neighbors. I go. What are you joking? The kids go to school together. You know, the eye annuity like waggling? What is this is wide? Shut. What are you talking about? You know, you just gotta bring like a naughty gift. I go. I hate to do it. Ethan. You must do I I'm. Do you want me to bring a double ended dildo? Bring. Get what the fuck it. We don't get about man. I don't know what to heads. So. I know what that is. Doc him and it didn't shock him. Now. I would it. Something tells me that me and MRs Serrano going to this party. It's. It's. Teeth. Why is he having a Christmas party now strange? But. You have to bring a good naughty Christmas gift what the fuck is Laudi about Christmas, you freaks. I love these guys the nice guys. How are you going to look at them on Monday after that you don't already, but how am I going? I'm going to dress. My wife up like a freaky Alfano. This is. Rolling go. What is going on rolling pin? With a hamburger helper fish on the end. In the end. They would stand like what is ball's out. What the fuck is going on here island. Don't do. It. Don't go don't go. I'll listen I'm not going and I'll see them on Monday. How was the freak fest? I was watching Cowboys. They're only freight doors hidden agendas, you're going you're going to fight. I'm not. I got go naughty fucking party spice things don't go to. So where you're gonna wants to fight. Well, I mean is in Brooklyn, which is nice, you know, but I'm to be fighting. So I like to watch it on my big screen TV. It is nice to nice to be home and watching of here. Nami in Florida. Oh, you're going to be away. I watched them left up. Well, listen to me and dean wants to promote to promote Deen's enough. Not much more time. I gotta sign out with so listen check out, but it is good day. Online. Talked over, you know, train BJ JJ, online dot com or on Instagram. That'd be at train BJ online to serve JJ schools. What do I want to say to it? I'll do that. I know you why don't get kind of a hook up again you get your promo crew. And what about the people wanna know they've been asking what is it? Dana white looking for a fight. Dana trip in people. They do to me to me of a lot. They want us to talk about and chill. Rogin did say you'll final compliment. He did like he does say he likes you on the show. I knew way while we did you don't I would hit the inter up. All right. Listen Jimmy so much fun spring. I had a great time to all right? It's eighty five you, buddy. All right now. 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Australian Survivor All Stars | Sharn Coombes Deep Dive

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Australian Survivor All Stars | Sharn Coombes Deep Dive

"Took me one million pounds Chicago cyber. Hello everyone and welcome to our coverage of Australian saliva. All-stars I'm your host Shannon Gus here with another deep dive. We are getting so many insights into the season with some very important members of the class and today I am speaking to someone who again would be very very important member of that cost. He's the only time. Play to make it to one hundred days after making it to the end twice a very very rest at. She is someone. I've been dying to talk to get her thoughts on the season. It is the amazing. Sean Sean thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me Sean. I mean it's great to talk to you. Yeah I'm excited about it. I know that you are doing so many things as well as being embarrassed that you are now. The teacher afford to invade endemic. You have such a limited amount of time just so grateful that you're spending it with me with the listeners. Now I really wanted to do this to give the listeners and fans and insight into my game sorry. I'm very pleased to be here. But yeah you're right. It's a crazy time at the moment. Yeah I mean I think the listeners just need to be especially grateful to know the kind of time that you'll giving up but yeah I mean I've said a few times throughout the season that I'm not too happy with the edit that you got that we didn't give nearly enough inside from the at it in terms of someone who was a pivotal vote through from the pre swab through the SLOB. The merge all the way to day fifty and how we didn't hear more of that really just kind of season so I know they go. Decisions have been paramount. I know that something that has been debated among the fan community a lot of those different decisions and I'm just so glad to get your insight on every single one of those decisions. Yeah cool I play I can? I can bring some clarity and pace to everybody because yeah it was definitely frustrating watching the Charlottesville from my perspective. Sorry was an interesting short. I mean it was very enjoyable and EPIC SEASON. But yeah the the. I'm sure it had a lot of people's minds in overdrive and head-scratching. Sorry it should be an interesting chuck. GonNa we're going to answer a lot of questions. I'm sure. Go through all fifty days of this game before we actually get to the game. I'd love to get some of the insights before the game even started to get to call to go back as we've heard you're really busy woman. A mother of four kids let alone the incredible career that you've built. Was that an immediate decision that you wanted to go back. Did you have to kind of wrestle with it? Yeah I had to wrestle with it because of course a huge fan of the Sharia and I always dreamt and thought about as possibility. Sorry of course getting that Cole was amazing but the timing wasn't great because the May I'd only just kind of well. It's in about twelve months since I'd come out of the game and got through watching the Shar in that process in itself at finally settled into a routine again with them in school and also I work on his back doing some really good cases and then that was disrupted with the coal. Sorry I had to think about it. I had to go back to my family and ask them what they thought they were. Happy Meeting on play again. Unfortunately for me and perhaps everybody my family was very supportive and said yes mom you go and do the Yukon not be audible ause and it's an honor to be asked so I knew I had wrestled with the idea and the decision. I knew I would have to say yes. Yeah did you do a lot of prep in the months leading up to it? I didn't do as much as I did for the first time that I played and not as much as I would have liked Shannon because I was just starting to see in terms of my work lard that I'd already taken on I had to Finish all of that and then just life in general and taking on some extra kind of commitments as well. I Li- first round of survivor. So my life was very full. Sorry I didn't get the opportunity to train as hot as an ordinary things that I wanted to and in fact all of the items that I had to select guy out that they ruled very last minute five items that I got to take so. Yeah I wasn't very well. Prepared is time round. You chose well not ones either style ones. You look at the last minute decision but I wanted to keep your one. I don't feel lots of NEAT. Sorry endure lots of job. Sorry to work out there and it certainly stood out. Yeah I love the one I mean. How can you pasta very bright on beef and sure? Yeah Yeah I know are absolutely it was. It was well going into the season. You obviously you playing with six other people from season three and you were popular member of season. Obviously playing it all fifty days as well. So can you talk a little bit about the relationship you had going in? I KNOW YOU'RE FRIENDLY WITH MON. With Lydia. I know someone like Matt. Maybe a little bit more complicated considering what had happened on season three. Shane is someone who sat next to. Sean played really deep in the game with like either some pretty important connections that you were going back onto the island with. Yeah look I was really excited to say all of those people out there on day one. Of course I had some Stronger relationships with particularly Lydia Going back in and Moana as well. Yeah my relationship with Matt still grade like we're friends outside of the I'm an shine obviously very closely shine. Even when we're at the end to give a Shawnee was one that I was incented about because I thought from her perspective she would have some. Ill will against me in the sense that she got two full place in that season and then I took her out in that way that final four so I was a bit concerned about. Shawny going in. She was my greatest concern but intensive the other relationships on didn't have any real issues and in fact I thought I would be able to use them. Advantage in the game having only played about a year before he went out again. Did you have many friends from the other seasonal anyone that you knew little? I didn't really have a lot of friends. That she'll wear connected. Because as you would have heard in other date dives and promote apply it is once you you are very much connected as as a family and people do reach out. Osteo played to offer support. Because they understand what you're going through and what the game is like so did have a few connections going into the game in that way and I've met a couple of them at various reunions and get togethers but nothing is close as the relationships. I've forged obviously in myron season. Yeah and you a little bit about it. In the first week of the show pitches very unique experience coming second you and leave with only two all stars who had bad so going into the even did you. Did you take anything from season? Three to either build on positively or change if you felt it had been a negative from iron game season May. Yeah Yeah Look. Obviously I had gone throughout that game and fight the star knew what it took to get there and I knew what happened at different stages so that was certainly an advantage in terms of my game. I was really happy with why applied game. The first time I went out there and was myself in that net season. I didn't have any other real apartments. Thought I'm going to be genuine. Play it as myself and see where that takes me obviously took me to the end but this time going in. I don't WanNa leave myself that vulnerable because I felt even though I was strong. In my this season there was some issues in terms of being vulnerable and exposed and I I kinda wanted to protect myself a bit in that way so going in this time. I'm going to play a different lane. Which is what I did and I'm going to exploit basically the reputation that I obviously built in that first season to my advantage in the second. Sorry that's how I approached the second season because in your first season it was a lot of the champs contenders warfare in this even was the same but much more in the middle I think of like two warring sides so when you say leaving yourself vulnerable in your first season was that like needing an idol. That kind of thing where you felt like you might have been in trouble in ways. You weren't as much in. The season was other points of vulnerability or referring new. Yeah I well I think from my first season. I really stuck with the people that I said I was going to work with. I didn't really deviate from that at all. Sign sorry that I couldn't really find any in regards to working with Saif. Ullah O'Brien when everything's slipped in that second part of the guy that played said this time I thought will I WANNA have relationships up my slave across the board so things change. I am Ben in a position to the Albuquerque utilize those relationships to advance my game. Sorry that's why I really went in building relationships with everybody on leaving myself open so I could then change if on native something. Unexpected came up. If there is a twist or something happened to my core alliance Sorry I think that's what I'm talking about. I didn't want to lay myself honorable in that sense. That's really interesting because you know when I look back on your first game I don. I haven't really since that vulnerability because you did make it through it right. You still get to the end saw neidl. You're saying you didn't point only fight for it. The difference was I had to win challenges into individual immunity challenges in the first game inclined. Idols otherwise I would have been gone whereas in this season. I didn't have to do that and I didn't have to find idols. I just relied on my social game and connections to get me through and I think that was one of the real strengths that actually had in this season the fact that I could play the game survive without idols and winning individual immunity. I mean I want one but I didn't win floor like I did in the first season. Sorry I felt that was a real strength to my game in this in this season that I was able to survive regardless of my inability to find any idols and I did look for items the Labor. I take away because it's true. It's like you know your finding an idol including one of the challenges is a credit to you but I kind of love you thinking like okay. We'll want to have to rely on that next time. If later in half to make it easier for yourself you can. Yeah and kind of Removes the target. Why because people are you got an idol? Like when I saw that one car out of my pets. Are you an individual immunity? You are targeted for that. Reason was because she kept winning individual immunity people will like. Sushi loses ways. We're GONNA take her out. Sorry I made. That was very true in my office season two. I knew that once I didn't have any of that protection it would be very difficult. I mean the only way I kind of avoided that fool of art was to obviously get inside. And then you've got to my advantage to stay in the game otherwise I would've been gone at that point in the season. So yeah I definitely learned a lot from my experience this time around. And then I use that information to then dictate and UH and how I should play the second time around and I had to fly Kathleen because I knew I would be targeted. I knew people I was a strong player. And that want me gone. Yes right interesting because it's two different things. I think the thing you did in the first time saying your side is probably easier but then it makes them more difficult down the road of to staying alive whereas what you did this time with. You didn't need that but only because you were completing the difficult task playing both sides which is so hot air of itself. Still not sure how you did it so long for so long. So we'll get some of those insights we talk about the game but before we get into the game again. Did you have any primary like hopes the what you would achieve from it? Having obviously got pretty much to the very very best. You could get in your I even did you have any main concerns will see is about going back out again. Yes sure obviously. My best objective was to win because I wanted to guard that one step further than I did this time around. So that was my primary reasons for going back out there but also to have fun to have more fun and enjoy the process even already danger at once and then secondly in terms of concerns that. I had the consent that I would be that I wouldn't last five minutes and I'm behind pretty quickly. Sorry that was something. I didn't want to experience because I didn't want to. Blemish my my record of never having my torch snuff so. I'm very glad I can say that I'm still enough. Physician THAT AUDITORY SEASONS. I have not experienced that. Sorry in some ways. That is very good and pulls anything. Yeah you continue to Jonathan and I imagine he's screaming at night about getting enough your torch when he hasn't been able to do it. I know I don't think I'll ever get joy. We'll getting onto the beach when you're assigned to mcgruder from the beginning. Who were the immediate people you connecting with as we've said you've played with several of them before you want a very season. Three heavy tried you meeting some time to immediately connect with when I arrived a one I immediately connected with Lee and nick to probably my strongest connections out of people that I didn't worry out there. Of course I had. I felt I had a connection. We lay anyway given the runners-up NFL SEASONS. And then yeah. I've always been a fan of Nick sparky. Obviously when I did my podcast with him after season one and he's just such a likable guy. You start knowledgeable about the game He's my fist and I get along really well. I mean at school. I was such an English geico English with my favorite subjects and the fact that he's an English teacher. I'm probably speaks to luxury. And the reason why I like him. Even more people you're laying. Nick would definitely the people I connected with Out there in the first instance. What was that connection like with? Obviously being the two runners off at something discussed on the show. It's something very few people in. The world have experienced being a finalist on survivor. So how did that grow you to each other Again for me when I watched season one and it was trying to lay was my favorite player in the game and so I felt at that final tribal when he Came second sorry already had that kind of experience that was personal to me so to go out there and then connect with him in that way will first of all get through that experience myself. Ironically feelings the same way that. Hey Dis That gave me that experience and then that connected out. So we're able to talk about that what that feels like going through the fifty days in the game. Come Away with nothing It's very difficult. Sorry you are immediately. United in that way and you've got a common practice in the sense that you want to come back full redemption and to guard one step. And that's what he wanted to do is go so we were able to relate in that way very much. Sorry and I think that helps us connect very early on yeah and you were both categorized from beginning. Here's what was that like to be here because I think we discuss on point. 'cause he was such a multinational play. You could have been a snake you could have been in the physical category and they put you in the theater category. So how about that? Yeah look I was very humbled by got and And honored to be into that category. Because I did feel like I fight my fisk game in that way that I was honest and integral and that I was treated myself. Sorry to be put into that category. Yeah I was very very humbled in our non about that entity they lay in Tarzan. That was amazing. I mean I love Arthur them. Sorry I felt very happy to be starting the game in that way even early and then I talked about being in that category in how we wanted to play a differently. This time around. It was interesting because I think if we would've seen more of his game and then he obviously had the to play Deeper into the game I think probably hats would have a different side of lay as well because you drew land from your experience. Goes Tom Round and you. During that ultimately it seems loyalty doesn't really get you anywhere. You'RE GONNA try to argue that at the end of the day to the jury. Sorry Yeah Yeah it's interesting ille- really did seem very different to me just on the bit. We saw him and again. That wasn't highlighted enough in the but like he changed quite a bit as well so we didn't get more of that obviously for him to not be able to continue in the game. But you know you have these allies. You've connected with a lot of different people. How did you see the tribe fanatics? Who did you see kind of leading the charge? Originally all Mukunda. Did you see towards the bottom at the start of the game I think? Generally we were pretty agreeable in the sense that we knew what we wanted as a collective physical strength in the in the tribe was fairly balanced. I for what I thought. We had a really good strong tribe across the board early on. I didn't feel like there was one particular later Pesci I always on decision-making evenly to stop. But I think as time went on there's always group kind of comes out that seems to be directing But in saying that they was winter in that group like mccray was split and we had different objectives. That's why and we ran into a bit of trouble. I think sometimes before tribal council but it was definitely competing interests that you've looked the people that applying a gain from the position of strength and they wanNA capable of the strong ties because they need the shields whereas you've got more strategic fires than Kate. Thurs players around them truce. Are you want to get rid of this shrink? Sorry it was divided along that line I think Shannon as we go down the track. Makreda will as I said. You're a hero. You're obviously fatigue. That's why I say you could be a snake. You could have been in the visible category. If someone who's got into the record for the most amount of unity on your first season. So where did you sit with that spirit of what it should have been well? This is the thing I think this is. Why are people can see me as a quick because all of those categories by across the boards are even like? I can fly across relationships. But I'm good physically unrooted strategically and Are could feed into all those categories. And I did so. I was in with all of the strong players these strength I was in with strategists and the most And I was just bouncing around through rollers groups and then with the option of taking the profit I needed to end when tribes welcomed. That served me well because the strength by sleet went out of my much either. Mainly you're an abbey went arte to Bacha. I still had laid it and Nick Zach was swapped extent X. men bolt back in start. There was a bit of work that I had to do there. But yes. That's what is important to be able to be adaptable and dynamic in the game. So you have got options. You need as many options as possible and survivor. I think that's one really important part of the game. I mean that those decisions are going to come to a head when you lose the first challenge and have to go to tribal. Evan spoken much about Shane and Shane. Who someone you have a very close relationship with long saliva history with you. Be the first booth. You don't answer her go of us. Where did you sit in? That was interesting and fistful. I think it's sorry for my aren't survivor. Journey to have shine In those dogs though. I'm literally At that moment of last season and then with her when she gets booted out but yes a made that was an interesting one because as a group. We had old kind of reach the decision. That shine should be the that she should guard. That we worried about an idol and sorry the the thing with shine was that she was looking around everywhere even during the night she was under the shelter rolling under the shelter looking for an Idaho. So we thought the story Pinot James. She's pretty clever like that and adding that she would tell me. I often but I thought well she might be playing a different game. She might not be served both coming with her answers and honest in to Mesa reading artificial whether she had not so of course we thought okay. Sorry we thought we would split the vote and that would be on Michelle which is widely for Michelle view as modern sane. Yami wanting started. Show that he didn't get the memo. What ended up going down but basically what went down was that Tim had come to. May Justify Tribal Council to to basically start a new plan to try and Blindside Harry out of the game at that point but he also told me that I was the split vote now that it had changed from Michelle to me now of course. I didn't know whether that was true. I went and asked a few people. I outs Vargas. It's not going to happen but I'm thinking this is day two on all stars. What if I'm being set up intentionally could happen as far so I thought to myself longest gonNA tell Henry that I will go along with blindside? If that's what he wants to do but in reality never going to do it. He asked me to get Lydia and lay in a number of others. Nick on board to a blindside. Harry's go and tell them to Barry. I never did that. Never said anything them about blindsiding. Harriet old but I knew I would do and what I did Jerry was put on. Harry told Henry of art. The Harry's are hayward and then shine was starting to hurry so I thought that. Lay there three birds on Harry. If by chance strain does have an idol Harry goes harm and in case there is some truth to to that so that was a bit of an insurance policy on my part to make sure that the split by wasn't Omay brought to ensure that it would go on someone else. If you've shined did have an idol but Chinese have an idol shine harm and then of course we had the threats on Harry and one on the show so then what I did from that point was because of course Harry wanted to know what the hell was going on our then start to hurry and so this was part of my plan and this was one of my first. Carver moves that I was referring to in my final tribal council address that had I went to Harry and basically told him that Henry Plant Weinstein in that he wanted to manage blindside. He asked me to get linear way and make onboard for blindside. A number of others whoever I could And I told Henry I would do it so I en- telling Harry that Harry Dent understood that okay. Henry was out for some reason to get us against one. Another and Harry Henry was trouble so I then started telling everyone else what Henry had done served one knew that Henry was be dodgy. What's Henry Up to is to coyote for us right now and then? The focus was turned on Henry. And that's basically what I wanted to do. Shannon wanted to create divisions away for myself so that people went looking at may is the next target and effectively worked because that then 'cause Mukunda to come to that realization that we needed to vegetable wakened Henry. And that's why Michelle was voted out the next Makutu Tribal Council and Henry followed after that but that was a difficult part. The Henry Bark because The strength in in the tribe. Abby didn't want Henry Gari because he was a good strong class. So so yeah. That's a long winded explanation. But the parties it provides some tardy and understanding in terms of that part from my perspective anyway. Yeah there's no long winded. He done five zero. Don't worry about it. Oh Yeah could you can. You can go on forever. Sorry involved and in-depth the game the Sarney things that are happening. Sorry todd to try Abbreviated and yeah to shorten responses. Sometimes when things are complex and so we do fifty days and some other deep dives. It almost went in place looking at Shane and Jericho. Being the first to boots. That factor into your planning because you know he says the first to win is also y'all the closest thing on H. Two being a factor in few. Yeah absolutely because I. This is the way they're approaching it. They're going to take out these people that have gone deepest in the guy. Yeah that's a good strategy that and lays next as well. Sorry I did have that board which is why I started making those moves early on and causing chaos and planting kind of bones the Twain. Paypal's that they were getting a bit paranoid and worried about the position in the game because Ben that took the attention away from me and anyone else likely for instance. We'll talk about Henry. Everyone was very focused on Henry. As you said Bob take on the Shell to weaken Henry. How much did you know of what Henry was doing with the idol and passing it to Matt? How much were you in the know about this? Yeah we were getting information about that because Moana had told Lydia myself about the idol that she that that Henry had an idol. So that's how I found out originally because obviously Matt untold more and then at a challenge more risk did that to us so we had that information trailing early on and then eventually it started to come out in different ways and then obviously Henrik and clean about light up but that helped the cool is in terms of my plan to cause damage for Henry because Anything that added to the craziness so that kind of Early hardcore playing on his Yeah it helped Micalizzi mounting a case as to why we should get rid of Henry on an active targeting. Henry I mean that was important because he is such a divisive play a great right class and sneaky. He can get into people's ears and get them to do what they want. Sorry I thought the quicker you get people like that out of the game the bed and I thought pitting Henry this is Terry was a good decision and it would move to make. I think Harry would have painting my thoughts. That at one point had no gain. Darva are Henry Harry. There's some similarity there in terms of like if you would say which would player invented a child because we true of either of them so some similarities in terms of these big players to get to the tribal council. Henry's voted out and he was like. Oh this fake idol. It was a five five. You do vote to Henry and shawnise play Neidl. There's a lot going on. Can you talk us through? What you were planning. What you think would have happened to baby without an idol who the primary target was. And how that all went down. I think the primary target was Henry and I think he would have gone. I think that would have happened anyway. Even if the idol hadn't been played sorry I I I think at the end of the day Henry was this guy that night and he he would been an Exxon gone even though they was that new wanted. Sean on in that net part I mean Lee said in his voting confessional that he was kind of scared by the idols might have flipped onto. Make a tie. Will you always voting for Henry? The reasons you've stated. Yeah absolutely I wanted Henry Gone and because he didn't want him to wait you do that. I would have had gone to Harry and basically started to give you that information. Because hey new. He'd come to me with that blindside. Kinda plant. But I knew he wouldn't be able to tell Harry about that because it would blow up any space. Then Henry would have been saying well. Hang on a second. Why were you trying to me? Sorry Yeah I just wanted to Henry out. Because then it varies any of that kind of evidence discussions and he needed to guard from my perspective. Why did Shawny yet? I mean Louis talked about the. Why does she get four other voice? I guess I want you with so in. On the dynamics juice it was just a split or where people genuinely split on wanting Santiago because she was weaker and challenges. Yeah people were genuinely split on that one. I think They they did one too gory for there are in games and I understand that sorry. That's where I was alluding to earlier. That facts that Makoto was heading down. That path of being divided as to weigh up patrol tried twice over. He got to that point when you stop getting rid of the strength. This is fine. Sorry yeah we were undecided as a tribe collectively on that part. We'll get to the next voight. Which is going to be the last vote. You guys have avoiding. Quotation marks was ongoing story. But the last you have and the way that it was delivered to us on TV was like it's raw schools. And you and Zach is a swing and then comes over and it still doesn't work out so from what we've heard. That really wasn't the dynamics. Can you talk withdrew from your perspective? So this is just remind me. Fifty days is a long time in the game. This is the Sean Yes yes right so again. Everyone because we find out at tribal. There's a change. Obviously to the full Matt and how things are going to work that night. We know that we've got an invite for Bart's on people's regarded to excel. So the idea was that Shawna was going. I was earning Zach and I always was because we're going to split the art so that didn't change me that they. I think they were people that were changing. Their minds in the dynamic has changed several points because we were still very undecided A collective group that this is where it gets tricky in the game. Sorry for me. Yeah I was writing exact But the thing was for Shawny Shawny later on. I let this that. I actually voted to hear that tribal and that wasn't wrong. I think Harry told her that are just disturbing some some in the game. Sorry I can't because I don't having conversations which only saying I've never written down in Game Theory but she didn't believe me and it was only into off the game finished. She finally had the truth. Sorry she and I are being obviously chatting fan. And she's like oh. I'm so sorry that he said I told you telling you the truth about she. She had every reason to be skeptical. Because I was during looping flying out he did say that in the deep dive that I just did with that she found out as you said after the Game Harry had voted for instead of you. Yeah it was Harry and the viewers will also would never thought because the votes were insurance. It made it really seem like carrying the other way round. And she said she didn't speak tariff like two weeks off just because of the view is never solway her johnny and I out there. We really meant things out there this time because for us it was a new game. She and I had a good relationship with scientists that I want to be able to work with you in this game. And we were up until that point that she went to exile and then she said that misinformation so Dan when she came back off the bench. I kept saying to look. I've never heard of you that. She was skeptical. And so that's why I don't think I ever got a fully on side. I was genuine with during the game. This time and It's a shame that it didn't get to play out the way it should have. But Harry put an end to that crazy from Harry. Imagine like not knowing the whole game. I feel like that's quite extreme and doesn't happen that often so that's crazy thing. Yeah and really is just a call some chaos and I don't know maybe Harry was getting back at me things that he had slammed about our that. I'm not done to humiliation that game. That Henry stuff that I don't know whether he knew about that until Leeann data third things going on there and one thing is true. That gain was intense from day. One like people were saying lots of different things people were lying left right and Senna are portrayed in a way as lying and being one of the only ones that is out there I just feel. Oh Gosh if everyone could say what was really going on. I don't think I would have much hated all to be honest. Well you know you said that the plan was Shawnee and other split on part of the Split and works for the exiled before that the way that it was going to us was. You'RE GONNA vote for John as part of the wrong with that. Was that something you ever entertained? And maybe pulled out of or was it something you never gonNa do Nari. I wasn't going to do that because John was still part of my alliance. The core lines that I was working with them when I say that he was really closely and I was working closely with les so at that stage in the game johnny was on. Massad in fact I went straight to John and told him what was going on. Sorry that wasn't something that always going to entertain but it did make it look like that in the shower and that's where when you sit there and watch law that's not what happened but it got to create an oven and there's only so many minutes in shores are. I understand that that wasn't something that I was entertaining. What was going to Kazakh? And that's why I had my word out me with Dr Ben. Sorry when he came back to the tribe after Midge and was in a sorry trod swap. That's I utilized David in that way really to try and mend things. Exact from our perspective Zach was getting for me. He wanted me go on. Sorry that's another aspect of the game. Which is why I played then closely with Dave. But that's another thread altogether and I'm GonNa Point Susan Guy. Unfortunately you had that because you voted him shiny thought to drive down the pistol people. Oh my gosh. That's exactly what I really to move through the game in a way that I did and I think it's a miracle army things by why it's so many different points but you're absolutely did on there. I only for one of them but I thought I voted couldn't win. I want to get to the post while and speaking of just act that true people thought you voted for them upset about it when you think about this. Twist where they're both coming into the game. There's no challenge. They just showed up a little late for the swap. And they both want you. Yeah I thought the twist was very raw from that perspective you I mean I I went in one of them's GonNa win this back in the game there's GonNa be a challenge that out and then the other Rave Nari. Yeah and then have to participate in a challenge and it. Yeah just ought to try each and like you said and which I had been thinking on varnishes for them so I was in a very difficult place and I was in an mmediately physical places that because we had struggled to get good going anyway from this dot. Sorry here he came back into the game and Ford. I headed out for him and yeah so I had to work with that which is really hard. Yeah you've got the naked you've said the thing that's kind of issue in that. Otherwise what were you thinking of the tribe as you've said you have a relationship with moe you're meeting some other people for the first time so what we thought initially on the tribe? Well initially I thought I wear outnumbered asthma curtains. Because we've got four of US and five them. Sorry I knew really were outnumbered. I was arcane with it because I thought it will. I've got some New People that I can make relationships we literally. I thought like Jackie Anton and obviously dive too. Because I didn't hear him Phoebe I didn't really I'd spark into her a couple of times outside of the game but I didn't really have a relationship with their so to speak so it was a I dot. I mean more yes. Of course I knew Mar. Um but moving ahead. From that point I very often to alliances new alliances and in fact my first alliance when we Swapped was we'd phoebe and nick. So of course I had lay still there Which always happy about but Phoebe was very quick to come in and site at. She likes Artha and that she wanted to work with us. She coined alliance the brains. Trust Alliance and I was very excited about that. So that was the starting point straight after the tribe swamp and I was excited about working with baby and make and then lay of course as well as a four. Who are you looking to target at this point because I think if I look at look at the issue is like a two connected? You've got Nikolay through that as you've said. Cb You've got so tight with Jackie and ties and like it really feels like besides Zach and Dave who I guess it's not connected to those people unless it's through Phoebe you'll very connected with doesn't leave you a ton of room to move. Maybe yeah all right. Well the way I saw it was I did have auctions like obviously I had my relationship with mark and I felt like I could always Westwood Mars so that wasn't something. I was focused on immediately Intensive working third. Because that's what we'll I've got a relationship with Dr. Need to build anything at this point but with baby yes. She's a smart on that I would like to work with and I immediately saw date as a huge threat. I want a diet gone the first discussions. I was having Fabian. Nick was. I want a died out at the fist trauma counsel. We're going through. That was my heart and I wanted us to party map. Eighty was very resistant to that end. She was like I WANNA WANNA go on first and for me Shannon. I didn't want more going because I knew that that was a a relationship. I had On new she had Tarzan and Jackie up asleep. So that's someone I don't WanNa cut out of my game at this stage. Sorry I didn't want Amar. Nick was eight Assad he was like. I don't want to the I will vote for the Diet. He sold the value in barks. Sorry he was stuck and I felt the human that way so they went back we went back and forth discussing it but she just would not budge and I really really wanted to take died at at that point. I really think it would have been a good move to Mike. Sorry I saw. That Fadi wasn't willing to make that move. I started to reassess who I should line and after a couple of days I thought you know what if AB IS RESISTANT ON MIGHTY BABIES. The one that should guard because Not Tight out and I'll take out now that couple because they were very strong coming in. You could say that they were really close. They're sleeping next to each other in the shelter. Always tool and from the outside is one of you to a power couple so to speak so we need to break that up which is why then. I then went tomorrow. And I'm going to start with you and change tact and at that point I could also say the value in working with my WanNa. She has Tarzan and Jackson heroin. So that meant there. Were three there. If I was working with them I had nicolay which were another two darts and if I could you know every day which I kinda strung him along for a little while he has his backup it sorry I I would numbers moving ahead. So that was kind of how my thoughts wed owning a purse trod swaps are. Yeah hypothetically complete hypothetical phoebe budge a little bit on saying and saying we don't have to go somewhere. I honestly don't WanNa take out dave main ally. Would you have gone for Jackie? She didn't want immunity or a ties and are aligned with no. I think you're thinking back. I probably would have to tag it. Zach straight up I probably. Yeah oh I might have gone them. I might have gone Jackie Chan. They would have been the next cans off the rank. I mean personally. I wanted to go on because I just had been too much damage to our relationship in the game and that's not helpful. Having people like that in the game. Sorry if I couldn't get rid of Zach whatever reason then potentially Dr is yeah. That's right. Did anyone put those names out. Alway you just so focused on day and feed 'em TV being so focused on more with other discussions of like maybe a compromise. Because I understand you know wanting to go understand wanting dave and then like such a conflict where I feel like there must have been like another name which kind of agree on for the moment. Yeah I do think that sacks nine was mentioned. I can't remember why we didn't go down that path or I can't remember. Jackie Tasmanians Nines Bank to write off as well. It was weird because we were both star. Hell bent on that cost. And is she wanted more an hour and a day. Sorry was just like we were at loggerheads and Ben I could. Yeah I could just was different things that were happening in the game other things that haven't made the when you found out that she was telling things that she had told Nikolai. Like there was awarded information sharing going on from her perspective and thirty for me at that point in the game. Nick told me something I kept that to myself like he would tell me something and I was like. I'm not telling you about the soul and didn't whereas Einar he shared information with baby that then got infiltrated today that that was passed on so I felt at that point win. That confidence is broken. In that way will icon icon. Work with this is not for me. Sorry that's why I then changed taxes. Well we'll yes secrets you all should have been sharing. Dave does seem to have found out about based on the deep dive was Pandora's Box. How much did you know about that? Because that's dots Makuto like that's crazy. Way I think to swap and dry you win a reward and the reward is debris distrust immediately between people. You haven't even met yet. It's just a lot of it is and this is actually a real pivotal point in the game when I look back at it now because coming in this is when I was in. Yeah Okay I'm GonNa whip and Phoebe and nick and we get doors box. Nick finds the advantage. I see him have the advantage in his hand right away from the box. So Iran we've Kim and as he's opening and reading this on I read what the advantages so. I'm the first one land with network the advantages so I immediately Nari Knicks or happy about it because we're working together and trust me and I promise you I'm not gonNa tell a soul so I don't mention it to anybody not even to eighty until he tells me that he's told baby. Sorry then later down the track we find out that Dave Nar is and in fact I keep coming to me saying I know you know about the advantage and I'm like no I don't know about the advantage and I'll tell him. And then in the end he basically says will face told me. You've gotTa tell me. Now who's got the advantage and this is at a point. When I'm thinking am I gonNa Stop Waking Jive tossing it around my head. Sorry it's interesting that that then changed things because that was part of that person an learning whether or not to trust Fadi Vermont as negative. Sorry yeah that that definitely changed the complexion of the game at that point and then I was working with moving forward to get to the floor three too because it's a strange little triangle that you're in right now. Dave is a nick year aligned. With Phoebe with your alignment Mo is going to see who goes first be aligned with and your was Lee other kingmaker you could decide which Ed disclosed. So you've explained why Phoebe kind of lost out. There was a quite an active targeting of her. Or was she just likes the most acceptable. You out of those three. Yeah she was at that point then because what had happened because as soon as I knew that she was giving that day and I knew how strongly she felt about. Not Wanting Dave out of the game. I'm thinking well maybe that success in maybe that Sushi wants to guard the WIZ and she's not genuine when she sang. She wants to win nick. So that's when I immediately have that distrust about her and I K will I? I think you have to go now. Which was unfortunate because I really was genuine and wind to where the loya loved. The way that she operates and she's strategic just very sorry I feel recruited have really made some good murs but things happen pen. Dora's books happened That all happened and then there was consequences tree that but going into that year like Lee and I way we were on the same page and I was always genuine. In Working Rela- I wanted to maintain that we play. Sorry we always made sure we chatted about what we're doing and If he wouldn't have been happy about burning baby then you know that wouldn't have happened. Necessarily either I would have started came about that but yeah so that was my my position. going into that in and then. Moen I came up with that. Obviously blond side law inside. Oh Yeah Sorry. It was interesting. How did this work with your relationship with Nick? Lead been so close with your voting against not against him and was an auction. But you already against his ally. Did he know it all what you were doing? Did you think to tell him because a lot of the stuff like Lord of the distress? You had phoebe with because she was filling nick secret so him to a degree. So you can without. It wasn't just like this is an untenable relationship at this point. Unfortunately yeah I think the latter at that point Shannon. I could say that. Nick was very taken with fading as well in the sense that he really wanted to work with. I mean I knew that he had been working with Harry. Shawny praise tribes swap. And I knew once they were gone he would need to form a new alliance now tried so I knew he was very wedded to Fadi By virtue of that basically became a that an issue for me in that way. Collateral damage if you WANNA put it in that way because I would say them talking quite often and that is Fabian. Nick Hey same to be more aligned to heard then to May I know that seems odd but maybe that was just because he was trying to build a relationship now retrospectively. Are you spending more time with it? But I felt like he was drifting away remaining in a bit of a way that sounds strange to describe it in that that way. Sorry that was coming into my mind on thinking okay. Maybe he does want to be more family. Wanted to phoebe sorry So that's why basically didn't tell him what was going on about all these three plans you're going with going with the Moi side of the triangle. And as you said at this point you did see other allies for yourself and you knew that an actual with Moore was kind of always Dante needed. Did did this present some sort of shift where it became like He. Now I really am with more because you guys left get so close to. The rest of the game was a shift. Yeah that was definitely a shift wants determined. That's what I was going to do. My shift was then tomorrow. Sorry once that happened. I knew that I'd be working with her. Which was fine because obviously we had that alive in the first season I worked with in my first season really well and then it was picking up a resumption of that alliance and I could trust her and she once I committed to her. She knew that she could talk me as low in that way that I wouldn't put her interests in any other place. Sorry she knew that even are again different points in the shower. It looks like that might have whitish. I had reasons during the things that idea. Sorry yes so good at that point. I knew I had those two extroverts. Jackie and Tarzan and then obviously Lay Meek if I could take them onside. Sorry I had those numbers and then bringing diet across because he really didn't have any left Zach. Sorry Yeah Yeah. This relationship with Dave is going to be one of the trickiest relationships through the rest of the gain results in the final two. And it's something I wish we could even got more insight into on the show. So what is this relationship now? He's someone that you had to be like basically dragging screaming away from targeting at the beginning of the swamp. And he's somebody that it'd be a very pivotal ally for us. What is this relationship like at this point? Yes Sarah Gardner from wanting him out like hell bent. Let's get paid to thinking. Okay I need to start working with him. Because he is my protection against Zach Zach was destroying my name out over time and that was very close to date so dave I mean fortunately the May wanted to work. May He kept trying to so I'd citing him. Yeah Yeah I'm GonNa do this and then obviously I would do it but we keep coming back and say okay. You're going to do this now. You have to discharge me. I'm like yeah okay. So when it suited me I was like yeah. Okay would definitely doing this. I said to him you've got to protect me. A Guy Zack's exact it on my k. Nurse Onside and he would do that that you so we did that which which worked so it was a point a game where I committed to him and that was the true so we see that alliance and I said to bars are basically was a bridge between David. Martin was originally when she was skeptical of dietary. She wanted Dave gone. And I what I think we can actually work with him bringing in So we forged that alliance and she then started having conversations with the men and these connections so the three of US Agree Tot Alliance which was bright because that then set up and going into nap merge and that was the plan for us to be able to protect ourselves in that way from obviously being targeted once Midge. He yeah this is a wheeling one because no one goes with him for quite a while. Seattle Fire Challenge. And it's been said to be a little bit dock. There was that your experience of this tried. It was like a little bit toxic. Yeah look it was a difficult time in the game. I think For for a number of us the game is hard. Anyway sorry I it is a difficult finding a game but usually when you are learning someone out and then I daren't Gardner out of the game it's hot. Imagine coming back into the game off the ceiling that it's terrible. Sorry I I totally understand why becomes a difficult situation. And it's untenable in some ways. Are you can try new pasta and keep people in a game at all to me. I think those people that have been voted out or attempted to be voted out. Need to guard. Because there's too much damage done there to the relationships in the guy. Yeah and often they go to different tribal. There's a trifle energy but came back into the tribe. Yeah and that's how it was hard. It was really hot. I felt I felt for everybody. Because it's it's a hard thing to then try and move forward as a tribe and that's the tension because you've got to work collectively well to give it a try and challenges but when you fractured or there's an issue that can be a real detriment to your game as tried. I mean one of the things I always remember was from office season champions contenders I think when the contenders finally voted Zaqout because they were unhappy with Zach and then they came back and won that challenge when there are any real drought the period and we would just like gobsmacked at that because we thought well that would have been the attention. Their issues are sometimes when the tribe changes that dynamic changes that can cool is a new level of energy to go through the tribe. And then you can win again. Sorry it's hard. It's hard to overcome those mental challenges and relationship issues Within a tribe when they come up and they come back on the guy. If that makes sense yeah and winning Fi meant that Lydia went home abbey had been voted out so as you're watching this from the tribe two of close allies going home. And what were you thinking? Oh my gosh I was devastated. Sorry Libby Linear and Abby Arthur. Them where like my closest people out there when we first started the game. Union say that either but we had owned a very tight alliance. Three of us we. We're a big group that we were an alliance we then it'd be group so when I say that I mean we had lay John All of us together Sorry Nick in Yes. See LINEAR AT challenge. That just broke my heart because I wanted to to stay in the game and come back so we could. Reform Airlines is low sorry It was very hard to watch that tribal council. Yeah just thinking back on those relationships giving back a little bit the non thinking about it if the before the swap who really skipping back would you gone for one? Shawny and Zach had had left the game because then like Nick and trouble. You obviously lined with him. But then there's the athletes would have been Harry that you were gunning for at that point. Yeah I think I would've taken Harry then at the next trial blocked it out because I did see him as a big threat. These are really great player and a strategic. Yeah sorry I would've taken Harry out to shore next year targeted But Aug. Catch. Obviously who else is Lydia At least a on. Yeah Johnny Yeah so probably Gone Harry and then I probably would have gone John to be honest. If that was the only one left to think out of that group taking into the present time line. I just have to ask you these questions while I have their lives so coming back to this. Obviously if we're going to go back to tribal council to Phoebe out you've made it very clear about why that was necessary with energy and everything like that Nigga this point trying desperately to get you inside you at this point that he had an extra. Did you know that he was planning on using it? I kind of whispered to him not to use it because I was hoping that he wouldn't let it. Keep it up. He's slave pat so the next tribal and we could use it in some way. But Hey did I think. He sensed that something was going down but even I knew he. He could've used it. I knew that would change the outcome on the heart so I knew would only tie it up because I knew he only had one extra guard. And we'd go to our radars on this. Which is what happened. Yeah so you obviously will always going with the most side and both sides at this point that they have you but you vote on the first voyage to what happens here. Sorry there i. I've heard on the fist bark to make it look like on still working my original alliance and that is obviously fading. Nick and late because David produced he's idle. You'll remember that tribal which was very bizarre thinking. Why is he doing this in really make any sense? I thought is he gonNA play it for theme either a chance he might. Abc applied for himself. Cunard's right but I thought in the first bar. I'm not going to risk. Why Alliance if something changes? So I started from art knowing match. The Arts would be sufficient from our and if nick played his is advantage. We don't really have a five and we have a rape and then on the radar I would four fading which is what. I did Before I went to that tribal council actually told my WanNa that. I was going to do that so I gave her a heads up said Mari. This is what I'm going to do because she knew I was working with me. I'm going to do this to protect my lines with Nick and sorry. I'm just ready for it. She was fine in the first instance. She said yeah that's the idea. And then she actually must have got to be nervous and she said no you know what just the eighty dollars for me and I was like okay okay. I don't know whether I'm happy with that. Sorry she she didn't understand that that was Likely to happen and then when it did obviously she knew why which is why. When we went back to the beach she seemed quite readily accepting video. Remember she was like you know I trust John. It's fine whereas dive is completely blown away and that was and that was why I wanted to die tonight. Yeah well I mean. I guess that makes sense in terms of like a the subterfuge of your one side not knowing which. Who'S GONNA GO DAVID? Back Down and you didn't have the numbers for the invert that you voted for Mojo and I guess it's Dave is doing anything crazy then you do have another side to go back to that like claim both sides thing it does. Because you've got to protect that I mean when you play both sides talk want it to blow up in your face and I thought well if I do. Arts of Eighty Eighty. He had locked in my eyes. Something happens sorry man I will be exposed so I had to protect why interests and I had to protect the attack was flying bart sides and that's what I did and I was kind of happy that I could do it in that way. I thought it was like But there's always consequences to Ashton damage-control then and and that's why you do what you do in the game and and dog managed to do that. I controlled the damage. Do that because we did see. The Davis he said was a little not happy days to be in case. You haven't heard how did you get it back on side after that? Yeah because I said to him immediately. I said well hang on a second. You have an idol. And you didn't tell me and you shorted at tribal went off is completely unexpected. I said Surf you want sit here and criticize may about not being on us then you have to do the same. And he was like yeah. That's enough sorry from that point on he Yeah he understood that we had to the front and honest about things and that's why our relationship wasn't interesting one because it was like we were testing each other at the stop really to see whether or not we can trust each other. Well I certainly was because I didn't know whether I could trust him. So once we not at all of that ash and we got to a place where we were completely upfront and honest. Yeah it was a different on working relationship. Then I feel like this. Negro was very like e consolidated a lot of things in a very short amount of time like he was a unanimous vote. You're like we're going to be this majority at the merge you have to trust in a very short amount of time you know exactly what it was. The made the Nikkei two. Dave was that sorry because we had been trying to work together and he wanted me to be on his side. I had kept doing various things that obviously he was questioning. Then my loyalty. So we've been embarked. That's what it was. It was like okay if I by then I'm completely onside on with you. One hundred percent because he knew what it meant to me in the game he knew I was very So that that was yeah indicative of that was any part of you that was like Nick's targeting Zach and like as we know that would have been a fun things. You would have been the numbers because it was relying on Jaffe and ties and I don't know if you could maybe help. Those numbers along wasn't ever going to happen on. Never well I think it was very difficult because I think to tag it Zach. I mean I would have loved Zach out of the game but I just started thinking would have happened in reality and then the problem with that is chasing Dave to that extent he goes back into merge we'd all his connections on you I would have been screwed from his perspective as well then so I had to think about that. Moving forward how that would impact my game in the future. Sorry that's why I mean you make the decisions at the time with the information that you've got But yeah I thought that was best for my guy moving forward to protect myself ultimately because I knew that would want me out straight up. I was hearing different things and I thought I'd be on right off strike optimism and sure enough I was I was targeted. First Parsonage yes concerned of next connections to welcome a- absolutely because I knew that he had that good relationship Shawnee in Harry and I knew that Chani Mont being chased off. If she did that so I I knew that she would be gone particularly from her art perspective of history in the game because I took her at that at that position in our enchant contenders. So I thought if she's back for revenge. I'm here avenge your want me gone and in. I think there was some kind of indication of that that was shot in the Senate where she's having that discussion we'd Mat Rogers says all. Let's take sean out. I was managing Arkley. Mike Lynch so she definitely had may on her right are which is why I wanted her out of the game which is why unguarded seven because I thought she is a great threat to main this guy and And that was a big move on my part I wanted out. Even though that wasn't evident in the that was basically my blindside in the game of in terms of like nick. Because I know this is a discussion I had with him. When he's he would have hoped how'd he made it to the merge had had that Trouble Council devotes all gone ahead which might have happened. He he would've hoped that he could pull across Leeann. Even you too and I'm like I just don't see it lexus ashes. You're playing both sides like this. Is the one place where you you chose the side like you chose Makreda off. Is that true? Like I had to choose a side that I wanted to be with more than the other but the reason I wanted to keep relationships was if anything happened domain anew replying season and that the gods might pull out something. This huge twists that then stars everything into chaos wanted to be out a have room to move. Sorry that that is true that I was recruited than back and that was because I knew the is really didn't WanNa work with me. I mean lucky hadn't made any kind of noises in my direction even when we hit merge He was lying to me straight up about various things. It was quite funny You know he came to me and said I'm not into Milan so I don't have anyone on just a number and I looked at at thinking to myself. I YOU SERIOUS. We've hit merge and you're not an alliance students he was like Melissa Smith. Jackie I'm like yeah okay so I knew that they were GonNa John. For me which I did and I just do that yet. Because I wouldn't want to work with me. Even though I was keeping things have been. Yeah my my heart was the Makita and I wanted to oil to Makita. You are able to into the measures of strong seven. Had you gone back to tribal council? Who would have been an extra in your opinion? Well Zach I would have liked it. Would Zach may have Bain Jackie O Tarzan? If we couldn't get dived by John Zach. I doubt we would include. Yeah eighteen in the game. So yeah probably I think probably. Jackie would have gone to the honest days are the same so we have a natural ally which is why we where we did. Sir. We were on the same page. They I even. I even have to talk about things that were caught him. Say Yeah. This is sorry it was good. That was good relationship. We got along really well out there. yeah it was fun playing the game and now quick break to hear from all sponsors and we are back yes. We'll just you always going to cause some damage going into the merge you come into the merge with this type seven with that plan so what are your thoughts feeling very optimistic about your state in the game right now. Yeah I am. I'm really happy with how things Phoolan the fact that I've got this really tight. Seven I nor solid darn have any you know qualms at all at this point in the game. I know we've set ourselves up really well. Sorry investing in people that you know you can trust. I think that's really important at nudge And Yeah and that's what we did and it's true. I mean we had one of the strongest alliances. I think ever in the game so it served as well. Yeah well we other relationships like her. David obviously tie with with Leah's well there's still jockeying ties in an alliance with Zach as well so we other relationship like in the seven. Yeah so at this point in the game. I started to rebuild things Zach and we actually did manage to do that. We were getting along quite well Plan Dave worked in the sense that he was Doting CONFIDENCE IN IN ZACH. Again for me and sorry. We were getting along quite well Tarzana Jackie I get along with them. Really Well Jackie. I was very close true because we're quite similar in the sense that we were the ones cooking a lot. I was doing all the cooking until she came and she wanted to. Gartner and then I took orange again. Sorry Yeah we had a bit in common. And Very Chatty. Tarzan was great. I'd stop and chat. Were around the fire and stuff too. So yeah I had good relationships with all of them. It was a really comfortable seven to be in the main role that we see that. You haven't. This is your the one to Tell Aka that it's GonNa be him and put out that fake name. You guys just had to like triple blindside them at this point. How did you become the one who is doing that? Because again it's like it's that subterfuge but it's like it might upset people. Yeah because I think what happened was advantage based everyone after the face went down to the beach and had a big group chat and I can't. I relaxed at the table and we had all right so I had started to a bit of a relationship with a K. And so I felt like I had the ability to go and have a chat with him and appoints the starting point where he might be able to take that on board. So that's why I went in with Before that tribal council and we did we just wanted to tighten everything up to make sure that they had no idea that we were going to blindside lucky. Because I knew like I said that they were going to Put me out as the Dave confirmed that once he came back after speaking with him so on. You always catching guards but we just wanted to ensure there was no doubt in their mind that I was going harm and they were. They were really confident of that. I mean you select compensation that rookie in brocade saying in our book. She's oblivious to the fact that she's going which was very far from the truth because we we knew what the plan was and I just thought it was hilarious. That are loss. You meet a bright the Hash Muffin. I can't say oh. Can You? Bright like that tribal council. Can you please do my hack? You finally can you break the side of my head. You say try. He's this little brain posses and I was just laughing as I'm doing. I'm thinking I'm going to be fine just brighter tomorrow. That of course it was kind of fun playing with him. I mean that was a really cool murder venture take out. And he's an awesome. Fire is fantastic. I was so much fun to team blindsided. I mean I'm sure it didn't feel good but it was good goodbye and he appreciated it. I mean he's a great school life. That took it in good. Why are attempting to get the loss braids out of a bright up before you shoot? The BRAIDA is like very to me. I got the raise. That's US look very dark. I know are particularly because I'd veins are diligent with my writing. The whole time I was reading here runs heralds the take one more break before we take out. I'm going to have good news and bad news. The good news host will be getting your brain method. Doesn't GonNa be tomorrow I am? Did you have much of a say in the lucky? And then Harry Double Is. Your alliance is taking up the other side. What did you have much of a preference in my choices? I wanted on fast and I wanted Harry on Knicks. Sorry that's what I was saying before about David. I think he like we. I think we prioritize death threats in the similar way Tree that I wanted straight up and we will work lies that even though again it was joining a way to to show one person. Nominating it rule pretty much agreed on that and Artas lucky out. Everyone kind of wanted looking. I yeah it was a it was a joint decision. Yeah they they put your name out of the as the what they think is going to merge. I'm Zack is kind of playing that up because of maybe the issues that you guys have had faith. Nancy them to do they giving Zaken Dave what they think is the control to assure what they think. Those voids did any that? Make you uncomfortable. Either that the other side was ready to go on for you or your side was easy to put your name out or like you understood the function of that. Yeah I missed it. The function for my tribe Sarah Zach and died during that. We all talked about that. When you exactly is GonNa fight up that whole ill-will between him and I as well to fade that but I did have a real concern about the other him wanting me go on strike then stayed with me for the rest of Game Shannon because I knew if these people wanted me gone straight up often. They're gonNA want me out at other points in the game. Which is why I was in hesitant to than work. We've talked him later in the game because if you WANNA be out then you're going to take me out as soon as you can. Once you get rid of the other people at the first opportunity that never left my mind and so that was I can send me. What were your broad plans at this point because this merge is not a typical merged. It's going to be examined. Jackie flipped. Data's idols and there's a lot going on if you had it your with a more conventional merge without the twists and turns. You have an idea in your mind of like who you wanted to cut I from the seven when you would be cutting them obviously leaves in. Aleve soon which we'll talk about which is probably pretty devastating to a game lead a lawyer devastating in and of itself so had everything run. Its costs more regularly. What were you thinking that point? Well I think I would have made more moves in the sense that I would have carved up that that tribe more deliberate fashion. I think there were too many things that developed as the game went on which then disabled me from doing that so I would have been out reused the smaller lines as I had the lodge ones to then select and handpick the people that I wanted to work. We have gone through to the end more carefully but there was sorry many different things that happened and unexpected things that that true my plans into disarray. Really and then. I had to just work what I had left. Who would you have been if you even had falsified had the huge you have been kind of targeting of the seven? Well I think would've well. I would have taken Jackie. Otosan one of those out earlier I think rather than leaving them in a true long they wouldn't they appoint. I was thinking of tanning on date at some stage and then at some point in the game. I'm just like a Cam. Just GonNa have to really not just work with him because of things that happened I always had that in mind which is why there was conveniently Pops in the in the narrative where it will be about me blindsiding date because that was in my mind but I don't know how you know that would have worked in terms of the numbers you know you going forward from. That point had to really Thought about that. I certainly saw Ikea Pot of that like I was hoping to Draw Aka in and which is why I was talking to him at the May at the face that merge faced because I wanted to use him in those plans I didn't really say Brook in most plans at all. Because I thought I've got to get her out. She's a challenge based she can win that immunity but Shawny was another one that I was really hoping to be able to use in those brands. Dying forward But that was then compromised by the fact that she didn't trust me been. I had to kind of push that aside. So it's interesting. How these things develop as time goes on in the game. You wasn't so closely with MOE and for me. It's hard to see how you could do anything without no especially as Lee is about to leave so you think would have been on board with like voting. Dave going for that or do you feel like to break from her to do that. Well I really didn't have. I had a few discussions with her about that. About taking dave out and she was on that idea as well but because the things in eventuated in the game with the Massey bigs all and she was gone for period of time and then lay than change. So we early on we were going to do that and I would have worked with their on that. Sorry she and I you know we were working very closely together and continue to do that throughout anyway. But that would have given us the ability then to change things and we would have seen a very different game shannon laughing because yeah with paint on working with like I said an using various people and obviously raise well. I wanted to get into the end to that in game Go Within Cherry. Sorry yeah would have been a different different complexion. Yeah I mean this is when Leeds GonNa leave. When she just personally must've been so difficult for you to the tribe as well. Taddeo anxieties about being that a friend going through that too. I think and it sounds terrible to talk about but I think we underestimate even what needs to your game like because we're thinking so much about horrible it is and I shouldn't even be thinking about how it affects the game but like you really did lose Lee. You know he'd been your area one from the beginning so I can't even imagine how that affects you personally and in the game. Yeah it's weird that you say that because as a human. I've never really thought about it at that level in the sense that out affected my game and how it could have affected my game. Sure I know they're in the Pru free but for me I felt such pain kicking in that moment and I still do to be honest that I will I feel about it. I just feel that loss Fahim. The fact that it's your worst nightmare recognized in the game and that's what it is today and even though I know that they're all those consequences that doesn't mean anything to me. At the end of the day I mean if a game This one's life and they're treated mom and and it's just heartbreaking and I yeah it is. It's a terrible thing and I think you're right. I think people don't say that. Even though they say in an episode in its captured in that way for short period of time we felt at paying for the rest of the game. I know I've played the rest of the Guy. Thinking about Laney and his mom and even in challenges like if I wanted to opt out and challenge I was like not look at what lays going through at the moment you can hold on to beat Longoria. Those things were coming into my mind. So it's very much In in your mind During the guy and then affects things through sorry mentally. It's tough it's tough enough flying SEVADA nor less hunting. Someone that's out there Dr through that Because it affects you all and then of course you natural growth move to your family and am I doing the right thing being at the U. Being away from them I mean I came home and land about my dad being burial to sorry you know it is it. It just puts it into clear. Do you right yes. There are consequences in the game at the end of the day. It is a game Yeah I think what's alive when even as view it was like Kay ad break and then immunity for you guys. That's what it was too. It was like back to the game so and it was and it wasn't like it was like you were just going through the motions relief of that especially that the next week off to that. We we had some downtime. Afterwards cited process at trion deal with the best. We could but then going to challenges. It was just todd. Because yeah that's what we thinking about. And it was really hard to then going to those challenges and perform well when you're already sobbing and missing harm and all of those other factors so yeah really tell yet. I know only listeners. Just Waking the best dad as well I met him when I met you at the world premiere by and he was like the MOS lovely man like I still remember now. I would talked him with my cousin. And we bless that compensation just being like how lovely Shawn's off. He's a single style. I'm sorry to have him seriously as one of my greatest supporters my whole life. I mean in fact when I was little he always told me I could do whatever I want in life sorry. He's probably the reason on one survivor. I think because I've always thought that I want if I want to achieve something I can do it. Sorry I have to thank yeah. He's very very off. I think I'm sorry I'm hoping he can get through this weekend. Yeah we'll thinking of Casa had the same issue with the show had and like trying to pivot from this moment to the game. She's always difficult to get violent so hard for the show because I always having trouble with it as well. That's understandable. Yeah that's tough so we get into the next again. It's inconsequential but we have to do. And so before you know about exile that's GONNA come up. Guess seems split between Brooke and AK. Did you have a preference at that point? I mean it seems like he wanted to work with. Did you have a preference? Yeah I mean my preference broke. I always knew that would be strong in challenges on you lay out the same. And he knew what she was in physical challenges so we would both on the same page there and Yeah Brooklyn was my expense and that I WANNA gone at that stage. Yes so then you find out. None of that is important. We've just been twenty minutes watching the shows of invoked because it is going to be exile. What are you hearing about this twist? It's GonNa develop through the whole week. It's very gravely weeklong. Twist on. It's weird because the fame. He gets excited. Because yes this is. GonNa be fun and then the player is like. Oh Gosh not what's going to be housed GONNA work? Sorry that that is hot and get noticed some. Sorry what's GonNa Happen? I wasn't too happy about it because it would have been the perfect opportunity and take out of the game But instead we went to the mass exodus in six people going to exile and I was very glad that I was not one of them. They drag Mojica. No one is safe eclipsed any of you do yes and narrated. I thought well I thought it would be Mar. I thought that might be the case that they would take her Because when you think about it as a concept you WANNA take people that they perceive as weak in weaker in challenges that is with this strong. Are they GONNA win their place back in the game right so maybe that helped me the fact that they thought I was physically strong anymore. Take me over there. Back in the game So pull nor had that perception but she was actually great. I mean she won. That CHALLENGE AHEAD VICE BACK IN THE GAME. Sorry you just don't know what the challenges are going to be there. And that's the hard part. Yeah this is. We're GONNA be where you win immunity so that you never have to go to exile which is Great. It isn't enough Washington immunity for exile. I feel because it's like as strong as Rita's eighth actual life in the game. But you're not really complain. How did it feel winning your fist? Immunities that's crazy. Yeah Yeah I loved it. I mean I wanted to win an individual immunity this as in so. I'm so glad that I did. I would like to one more and I came close a couple of times but yeah it was amazing to win that one cheaply that challenge. It was one of the hottest if not the hardest challenge. I think I've ever done. Because measuring poll is very very hauch. Not John Fund The Bulls just kept on rolling off as you saw the panel so you really had to be very strategic in how you handled that poll and balanced bowls. It was a it was a learning curve to to get it not three yet. It was a good challenge every machine that we tribal and I was like my condolences. That Sean now has beating your record because we were both on floor challenges the most avid. Now she's on five he's like. Oh that's not how it works. It actually is and I'm like also played two seasons. He's like no no no. That's how it works. I'm telling you right. Yeah mine say just yet. I'm very proud one five so you're not going to get sent to exile which is good but this is. I think the most we see you wanting to maybe take out dave. Who'S NOT GONNA go to all of this who you wanted to go and what you could achieve and make happen? Yeah it was weird the way this all put together to be honest Shannon because it was talking about employer on side and on and that was not the reality of you blind some sides on. That's going to ex all that stuff doesn't work right. I mean you can have a blonde citing the barge but the reality of trying to make that move at. That point didn't make any sense. Sorry sure I toyed with the idea of sending diapers but it was always going to be between dying and and that was something that ties in and I spoke about so again. Watching the episode was really weird. Saying I'm Tanya Tell Dave that I was trying to even pretty sure. This is the episode that that outing with because that is our their house and I had multiple conversations about what we were going to do because we had to be on the same page knowing but Dave and Zach. We're GONNA vote for each other and cancel each other out essentially right so we would have to regard sorry Zach so ties in and I knew that was gonNA happen so we actually worked out that we were GONNA his act to before we even went to travel council. Does that make sense does that? Yeah you definitely the from what? I've heard it's like I knew that. No one had put on like a hinky vote against Dave because he didn't come back in the next episode raging. Screaming would have. But if you can't you can't blindsided like if he's not willing to go then you're putting him into probably wouldn't challenge back all or to be not voting as you find out the answer rules and he has an idol so like they just and that's where. I found it really irritating that episode. Mrs Serrano what happened. It's not as if I would ever think that in my right mind is just not gonNA happen so I didn't understand that to be honest. John the May it was about Potentially if I did send data was about waking him if I did send him the potential that he might not come back into the game but I just thought it was too many That and why would you do that? Because why would you send him off and then making disgruntled and what you add as a result For me there was already damaged on Muzak. Sars in exotic Zoll wasn't GonNa really hurt me any more Sorry I thought not sendak takes all and chose was on board with that obviously because he was arrested today than Thanh N. sorry Venza on my Gosh. I don't know why keep it was such a strange. It was a strange edit as you said because they never turned the voice again and then they try to make. It seem like this. Dave was like he didn't know about it. Came from your from Jack. Even as you and David said he came from sack like it was obviously part of the plan if they had been willing to go to exile was like at least not as adamant not having gone for that to happen. Because you wouldn't have had to piss him off without causing him all for you. Originally both of them said they would guard but then Dave changed his students. And now I don't WanNa Gar and exact change these true and he was like no. I don't want but then went right so it was weird. The whole dynamic beforehand was weird Thompson and I witnessed that and then had multiple conversations as a result but yes. If David said willingly he wanted to guard and was genuine in that then that would have been all right because obviously he wouldn't have been out a comeback disgruntled. Because I said Jim you said you wanted to guard. But that wasn't the case he didn't WanNa Gar and then that was one of the reasons why I was never gonNa send him there because I didn't want that as an issue to deal with in my opportunity to Being that alliance became even more so the three of us were wrecked. Tarzan may die and we got in that time together. A camp to get off which always provides a really opportunity to forge relationships even closer than they were before. Sorry Yeah I felt weird because at first I was. I thought really does help the minority. Because it did. He gave them time then. Also I think how people like an extreme power Dave who had an idle because it was like a two for one voice so you couldn't put them there in the first place because you would always them also then it ended up being better people like Zach and CNN to a degree. Like it wasn't great for you because at this vote which could have been crucial final nine and it was like all over the place and who knows what could have happened. Yeah Absolutely I. I think that's exactly Rosh. Yeah yes such a strange week was telling me it was. I was very strange but it does harm. Jackie is GONNA flip. She's going to tell you and Mo and you come up with this plan something that you credited in your final tribal council that. I really liked this plan. Even though people wouldn't kind of rising at the final tribal council. We're GONNA keep your words as they should be not tell anyone the plan so what was with process and that. Yeah well I just thought it was a really good opportunity to take him out of the game because again Zach was someone that I wanted at time. I knew we had a bad history in that sense that we weren't getting along with the guy that he wanted me out at various points. So I thought okay. Here I get to tighten Zach out but without blood on my hands. Jackie looks like the trader is the trader But if I keep my mouth shut. Dive doesn't find out about it then. I'm fine I'm sorry that's exactly what I let happen and that is what happened. And then that's why then. I want to Jackie even more SAR the next part. Because I didn't want any chance to for Jackie to spill the beans as to what had happened. I don't know why she didn't go until Dave. I mean that would be the first thing I would have gone and said you know Sean you about that. Because one thing that also wasn't evident in the In the Edit Shannon was I I broke and Shaun. He knew that I knew that Jackie was going to do that. And they knew that I let it slide. Sorry in some ways that helped me do trust with them which is why. I think they actually believed me. When I was saying to them I was going to work with them because they knew that I let that. Go through the keep out. They knew that I knew. The Jackie was writing Zach And then I just stayed silent silent on that. So after that after that tribal council all of them can often thanked me. And thank you for letting Jackie drew. Thanks for letting it go through when I was like. Yeah so all of those people knew that they didn't tell Dave so. I was very fortunate to not to get away with that kind of confused about how to blow up to be honest multiple. That's exactly the thing I mean. I think when I look at my game and how fight it. It was really tough to get to that position in playing at the way that. I did and I still think wow I mean how did I do that? But it was again my ability just to be outraged. People persuade people were unaided to play that social game and Bay Strategic and it worked. Sorry I I take it very seriously shown time out thing what I need to say to be attractive and keep them onsides. Yeah Yeah and he joins much of your game is about like killing the witnesses off. You know well yes you have to as soon as you make that move. Okay where's the fallout? And how do I get rid of? You have to think of it in that way because otherwise it can bring you. I'm done and that's why I was then going health litter to say everything that I needed to say to convince. I broken Shawny too tight Jackie out. Because I didn't want Jackie left in the game. You Yeah how much Zach thing about Zach and how much was it about weakening Dave? It was yeah. I think probably equal pots because like I said I had been rebuilding our relationship with Zach. I thought ultimately he would want me out because he had tried to but at the same time I needed to take him out of the equation so that I could take that dive because I or the David WanNa Take Zak. Maybe you know as far as into the game as he could and then I would be disposable at some point whereas if I became more value today than I would be kept around. So that was yeah. That was my motivation. Yeah so we're going to get to. I think one of the controversial episode. You've discussed why he want Jackie to go home. The plan is a four three one. I think you'll hoping that Jackie can measure the name's Jackie is going to vote with you. So you can just voter out nocholas. Will you hoke or did you think? Look it's weird because I'm always optimistic in heart just generally in lash friend so I always like to hold onto that optimism. That I did that. There was a real chance. We'RE GONNA go to Rox because I had come to me and mentioned that to me and that was a pretty good indicator with Jackie was within sorry I thought I'm being a bit of trouble. Here are yeah I was harmful thing and I was doing her ear about doing the right thing. Right up to tribal bought yeah. She flipped. Sorry I had to do what I had to do. Which everyone is now? Well Yeah you really. Don't want to go to that we know. Did you evidence it up flipping yourself like if you've flipped originally if you flip on the river you end up. We talked about it in the exit. You end up telling ties and that you want you should vote from. Oh you really didn't want to go to Rox. Why never write down? Mos name if the of self nation was so high. Yeah yeah sure because at that moment you think I could be going hard like this is the thing. If I don't then I got harm So you do want to preserve your position because there's only one ever at the end of the day so it was that it was about self preservation but at the same time. I was struggling with that because Mari was my ally. And my closest ally out there at that point Sorry I didn't want to write her name down And that's why I couldn't do it. I just couldn't write it down in that moment Which is something that friendship and just like I can't do it. Which is always chosen else. I cannot do it. Yeah I just wanted to save my skin and Yeah that's why it happened in that way then. But that's why they went to town and trying to convince the others to Jackie and luckily I could call on life skills. Persuasiveness and Yeah that ability to to drive that. Harm this point. 'cause ends up being amused but had the void being photon. Would you flipped You mean year David Taivon's but if either of them was over and the votes of them would you flipped at that point Tanaka Roxy but wasn't mo might have baton instead of. Yeah because I mean I. I was happy to take out at that point and I felt that I could have had this. We'd like AK and that that would have been preserved. So yeah it's interesting isn't it? How do you think about someone else's being the the focus of the At might change your your expected. Ben Are Potentially yes. Essentially Dave Let me think that he didn't care unit you would have you know. I know this is completely mood point. I'm trying to think of a way ahead. Well Yeah Look I think at that point. I don't worry about dave either Nari to answer honestly on shore and have to think about the consequences for my game at that point because it started moving pots. Jonah when you're in the game too so someone like Tarzan was dispensable today at that point dia featured more prominently in my lance are. I would have had to consider what vein to take that. Look if an opportunity presented itself not clean way then maybe just interesting about to the community looks like how was that immunity but this is nonexistent situation. I just thought it was interesting. Turn things around anymore. It's firm so as you pleading with welcome and convincing. And and having this discussion with them how any party you might we elect. Maybe I'll go with them. You know you're lying through your teeth are you. Like I'm thinking about possibly like I was trying to work that through in my mind. The problem is Shannon. I am fundamentally loyal to people that is. I'm GonNa read so. I told the others that I was working with them. I saw my. I promise was to our enter tonight. Sorry the way that the trash and as far as In the sense that I'm making a new promise to someone but my original promise was to Marin in Dave and that way my alliance was in my late was so yeah. It was just that I had to say those things to get myself out of that situation. Yeah Dicey Times I would say yeah the jury has come up again with VODKA BASS UNFORTUNATE. You have as day said you throwing out his name. You've done what you have to do against your lines. You've said the thing about low to ties and like talk about damage control. I feel like this was a time that so what are you doing at this point to kind of get your game back on track from very very stressful tribal council yes are also like I mean. I'll leave that tribal council with everyone thinking on working with them. Because I put my older lines you know well. She's still going to be working with us. There will be dubious about that now. I heard what I promised the. And then the others who obviously and the recipient of that fullness thinking. I'm working with them so I have to go back and then obviously tell my original alliance lives at the things. I've said it's to protect our lives. It was to get rid of Jackie. Because that's what we wanted. And then they all believe that they digest that believe that and I are comfortable with me. and sorry that that is fine but then I have to strain the others along but to me I was using that as a bit of game five and in my mind from originally I was thinking. Okay Oh this is good. Even I'm hurting people. It is Dank I and I am going to move as a result of it and and I did that so you felt like and this is something that came up in the exit view especially with the convincing tribal councils who you felt like this resume points because it's a move by people saw it as a huddle move nine. Her and that affects my jury. Yes because they can't disentangle immersion. I think from and and I understand that. That's part of the game it's survivor. And that's one of the difficulties in the gain. A tardily get that but that's where everyone is different. Some people more ready to let that guard. They're able to say it as gang fi of his aunts much which I completely understand. It's a subjective experience. Sorry I was harping. They might be able to do that to see. It is really cool Game Pie. But unfortunately they didn't all it got righted dives game-high than mine which I totally get gruesome Cya. Sorry I understand that too. Yeah I would be fascinated to see you want a jury and I know it's something you discuss. You Never WanNa do and I totally credit you getting to the end. But I feel like somebody had to deal with two separate juries. Which is rarity in survivor? I would be so interested to see you go out there and I feel you would be the kind of juror who would be like. I loved it. That was brutal. Because that's what you've kind of expected people to and they haven't as much when you've when you've done it. Yeah I mean that's interesting. It's an interesting question because that's how I would totally be on a jury and I was actually looking forward to that if I did make it to that stage if I was on the jury the fact that I could see it from that position and actually say you know what that was brilliant five thank you for doing that and making the game serves are interesting and I just feel that. That is something that I'd like to see More on juries Sorry Yeah Yeah I am applying again. We'll get to that point and I'll get to experience thought. Yes I saw very concerned it. All you know. Having had the jury even brought up at the stage with the rocks like literally vocalise. I know they thought okay probably in your mind. It's going to be a move but was there any part of being like an kind of concerned about this. Yeah course I mean ideally. I would want that to happen. I mean it was development that I want to but if I can make some reebok in macy's something that is odd thing to do in the game to be able to sway three able to change their minds on something. They're pretty determined to do so. I think that's a a rare thing in the game of survival started should be celebrated. It should be rewarded in that way and then to be able to use it to take shawnee out because in my game again. Once I was aware of the fact that she wasn't believing in May on issues a threat she'd won individual immunity. I thought wow this is mile but you need to take her out of the game and that move that I felt was my more than dives moves on our again in charge of that particular way that was mile. Pechiney to tycoon out. Because I obviously was working with but then once I mean I definitely. I would see that as you'll move because you'll swing void. I guess the edit does credit Dave and the idol. We touched Italy accident view. How did that idol affect things? We'll see that's the thing. I know Shard that but before you even Chardonnay. Idle minute was the gates Johnny. He didn't even need to wouldn't have mattered if you had the Ottawa not because I wanted to take China out at that point because she was a great tonight. Sorry understand Dave doing that and look the thought crossed my mind if I could have because I always wiping out Shannon and I thought I could take that out But he was too valuable to my gain at that point. Still sorry while still in the game because I thought she had the real ability to run away with the game and immunity challenges whereas anew dive was a good contender that he could win immunity. And then I could take out Yes Like when I'm thinking about that I'm thinking okay. I'm strong into individual immunity. I have the potential Rian on our diet has potential we in Brookes. Are you know? Obviously I was thinking. Okay I need someone else to help him. That cool is to take her out of the game so I needed Dave from that perspective so it wasn't an idol saying it was vodka ms individual threat level. That you. Yeah Yeah. Yeah at that point. Yeah that's right again. Things change if it weren't other things that had happened in the guy merely to that point. That dynamic would've been different. I mean even earlier in the game I was saying I wanted to take out at seven thousand you if I was going to die that it was going to be at the sorry three volumes at nine exactly my I formula going in with that number of seven merge was that we would have been clear majority at that point so I'd be physician to be able to do that. Sorry that's been changed things. Sorry it's it's really weird when you consider that but you're absolutely right. That's the problem. We didn't have a clear majority in those three documents. Still left like as much day was super threatening. And that's a problem. It's not Baltimore very threatening from a jury of his best individually like for book from a challenge perspective as a group like this level there. And you think back they were. They were titus alliance when they were in that Beckham tribe. They were just the core group. I mean you saw them linear out. They've provided abby out diverted John Matt but they weren't budging from the core alliance so I always thought that was interesting that they would come back and say well hang on moving Their core alliance that they would have done exactly the same thing and they found that those those three in the game they would have just been cool final free. I mean I would be in the bottom of that horrified to them at that point. I've no doubt about that. Did anyone like try and sell us it. They would vote. Each other out will was saying to you. Yeah Aka did AK re come to me and say that but he reverted either goes at that he and that was why he was always feeling option for me because I thought well maybe that's right. Maybe he would do but then when we got to that point but we just can't. I can't risk it now because you guys are just going to hold on to each other and I couldn't see that you have a very big voting confessional. You've got Sean you you say you want to take Dave to the end at this point if the end final two is a final three also what we call your plans in that. Yeah like when I say to the end it is. It's the Games are three to if I have to. I didn't feel that I couldn't manage a case against I if I was feeling quite comforting my game a double with these things along the way that I obviously felt with a really good and winning resume. I knew that David fight a good game but at the end of it. You don't get to say what's happening at Komo Salon. I hear about those things that are happening until I watch the United States. A lot of it in Until you watch it. Of course you're getting the game and your perception of things quite different than what you say out in a Shar But I did. I felt confident. In the way that I managed to navigate my way through the game especially dodging bullets in different scenarios and things that had happened Sorry wasn't afraid and sitting next to dive and in fact we had conversations about that the fact that we we we'd guard through to the end and have to really could be played sitting there at the end so we felt confident with that. What was it the -ception of Dave more? Broadly like as a play. Because when you go into the show he's on. Tv We actually watched his debut together that premium body and he's going to be someone who end up sitting next to you know he's he's a lot of life person on the screen for us like teams like how he's getting a million confessionals. It's like he's going to be anyone as we walk in season four he. That person was a different from what you were seeing on the island Look I thought of dive out there again but we do have a different side when you're just around canton things. He's not on all the time so to speak. He taught me But he he he's a greatness and he's very genuine. He's very sociable and blue which is how he manages to sign a guy in as well But I think the May going in. I'd say the first half of that season full that we all got shipped out by the guy when merge happened so we didn't get anything. I merge in season four sorry in some ways I feel like that was a bit of a disadvantage to the rest of us because we didn't get to save the food nitro out plans that were outbid big games But I was acutely aware of the threat that they've worries which is why flooded. His name wanted him out as soon as it happened. I I said before I went in. I actually say I want. I've gone like he's one of the people that Sega Italy. Sorry Yeah so. I was aware of that presence. In the way that he'll berates and conducts himself out there but at the same time China on a believer in everyone plays their own game in in their own way and even though one might be perceived as more valuable or more entertaining. It doesn't mean that is true. I mean other people bring other things to the guy you can play it in a way. you can buy it more strategically and played it in my way Unfortunately it wasn't enough to carry me over at the end of the day. That's what I played it. Yeah I mean at this point. You've gone to the final seven. The final six of having tried to take him out before it's getting dicey and you're thinking like well now. I have to sit in my own game. If that's what it's going to be again year I'd say that basically in that confessional is that are going to work with him now because this is the only way that I get to the end really now because I need someone you're GonNa take me and I always felt confident that he would take me so one another shot at addressing that jury. I'll have to keep working with him. And the final six you. There's no discussions that seems between you involved with anything targeting U And you've talked about why you want to go to the end with Dave. This seems like a spot. Where if you had wanted to take him out this possibility there of Moore's work with you. Yeah he thought to this at all. It's just yeah well marry. They was obviously. They're always thinking. I'm just working the Dave now but I would say that Moore had formed that view as well. Sorry I think David obviously telling. Maury things about working with her and she seemed very wedded to Spain. Repeating sorry I thought it would be very difficult On on Dave at that point third I really kind of gave up on that notion that she would be willing to flip. Which would main I would have to work with the others. Then missed opportunity in that way. Shannon already by taking sides the seven so yes that's where I felt like her position had changed and I knew that then and Dr Rock I will. We're just GONNA have to work together and and ride this out and see where it takes us with Dave Anton and that's the it like it was weird because Thomas had spoken about being on died then he was obviously around. Ab at any deed as we got closer to the end. But I don't know whether he would have done it in reality or if he would have committed. Sorry it was weird. It was weird to have those conversations with him because it didn't sit right like he was so loyal to to his face that then he would be Santa. Maria and Santa May that he was GonNa Perform Dame so I never knew where threw out Chan. Yeah I would have been something that I would be interested to see play out. Obviously he's going to go next. We see him saying that he'd be happy to sit with David. Lee advocate push came to shove. Because he's going to go. Yeah that's right and I mean in the end. I didn't take Davis happy to birth house and out and I think that was partly because of that. He knew the Taliban was making those noises. Sorry he was happy to do that. but yeah it was interesting and it would have been interesting to see that. Hot Italian Sharon as well but this guy especially when you get to that. Why do you not just going to the wrong? You want. You want to have a dark? And he was having Dr Sorry I mean we've been fascinating to us. Taj and try to vote Dave. I would've been absolutely TV upsetting me that I know that we maybe we'll toss going to go home here at five white like White House. It wasn't just the physicality was the main thing. Obviously Dave has the idol. You guys kind of talking about. How could you get rid of days if he has the IDOL? Was it all ties in and that was the TV onto plans going on. Well obviously because we're at five wins. Immunities is just so it has to be one of us. Wanted US going and I don't want to be may Omari well and dive true because I know Dave is the one that can contend against rupees competition. As or Talibans left. I mean on really the only one left unless there's a challenge that seats more you take out. I mean they could have been a challenge of housing. Should really say that but Y- you've got to think of it from that perspective and always eating. Jj My best bit taking out of the game. Because I knew Shannon up to the end I mean coming from that and Bama crew at odds stacked against it she would have had a real compelling argument to that jury and probably would have been in contention to take out the gang. Sorry I was very worried about that. So yeah that was the reason why I wanted to stay day and keep you on side. And that's why does an was. The part that I was telling about John's noises in sorry was more about the fact that Taliban was coming in saying that he wanted to sleep on day And that really helped us. I think Dave's position to take our van out and not one of us. Yeah I mean this was. This was a win one with the seemed like it was like. I think a lot more going on than just like everyone was happy to take our todd. Santa better physical chance against broke. What was happening bro? You guys vote group to Dave was going on there. Oh you just you guys told Dave Yeah. We'll I think we wanted to protect ourselves in the sense that he was trying to make a move against one of us and in particular may because I felt that she wanted may add a game more than Donna that then that reduce the chance of days as well if you WanNa take me out there was again about self preservation to make sure that Dave didn't have any room to guard against me in like he could have got ta. Zan to me and We broke and then I would have been gone. Sorry everything that I was doing at. That point was to save myself So I was having conversations on eighty to shore up that position. Yeah and speaking to Brooklyn the exit like she would've been super keen to tape on if you wanted to get rid of Thailand so yeah yeah yeah. Sorry that's that's right and that's why I had those conversations and that's why we did what we did because we needed to preserve opposition and I had to present last spot in the game so that was one way of shoring that up to me being to that end of the game before you understand that you've really got to cover all of those things off that he's going to have those conversations make sure people were feeling way so that you can then go in and do what you need to do with that part. Yeah and then Brooke. Finally Communities or the playoff. The Dave does broken. She's going harm. Yeah a lot of think noise around this episode of like trying to get you voted shown on each other was anything. They're just straight shot. Yeah we had to take that. Yeah because that was obviously something I'd WanNa do for a long time and the game is swell anymore. The had to have that opportunity to sit there at the end and address that jury would have a winning case to put sorry. I can't have that happening so I knew that she had to go at that art. It was only and lost opportunity. It was quite a heated tribal council though too easy on in front of the thoughts on Yeah I mean obviously the jury were very supportive broke and they wear the whole time so that was even in the floor of mind thinking even more reason why. I had to get rid of her because she was just sorry. Faded by them So I think from my perspective that just short up my decision and for me. I knew that she wanted to take me out so I had to. That's a my investment in Dave and more tied off because I stay protected me in that first invert for me. They couldn't if they didn't sorry that's where you'll in relationships is really important and making sure that those people trust you trust them because when you get to that end the game that's when it pays off and that happened to me in my first season with Shane because I knew I could trust her one hundred percent Sarif. She trusted me and that worked again. So I think that's key for anyone going into play Feature Games. You've gotTA stick with people and be treated and so when you get to that point in the game which is or him. You've got some real relationships you can rely on in that Marvin. That aren't gonNA screw. You either did some stuff that say here. Alert you to possible jury issue even more because she was talking about Dave's gay and like yeah we're talking about like the final travel council speech and how much that is worth light. I think there was a lot of talk around the jury and that final void. Saying why don't you let go through? He's GonNa win like she was just basically saying in this game and I mean for me. I felt that was the unfed because again even who had final pages. You haven't heard Saunas game especially if it was one of the things I've done. This shouldn't be forming a year yet and for me it was obvious that she had full gear ended. I was on jury headphone that. You presents the faith that God is getting. Yeah even if I had to sit down and down in the. Nfl was going to be tough. Exaggerations already owned side. I felt it was fantastic because I hadn't really how the game and and everything I've done shot. I'm so fascinated in like you. Being a barrister and was final. Tribal stuck with them won't talk about it the more. I realize the inconsistency in the what you don't seem to like value in jury in what is valued in illegal jury which is like these shouldn't be emotional. If you're voting illegal case right you should not make up your mind before you hear. All the stations. The jurors in survive do this. They do make up their mind beforehand. They are emotional. You feel like that can be some of the disconnect here. Yeah absolutely I think you spoil Miss Shannon because that is that is what I do day in day out. I am used your jury being told that by the judge that is the system that we have in place. It's a good system on the survivor. Jury is different. I think that is a really good point because it's something that I am not akin to it. Something that is not I suppose automatic in May because I'm more I'm coming from that perspective of like. Oh you should see this for what it is. It's a good movie boards Gameplay by an rock have your emotions involved. That's the way I operate in my in my road. Sorry for me. Yeah. You're absolutely right. I think that I need to appreciate that more but at the same time myself as a player and I know there are other players out there I understand. It is the game and I respect when there's imply good gunfight because for instance dived things in the game that hurt people. I mean inverted. Tauzin out and he was. He's closest ally yet. Tarzan seemed to forgive him that and order to him. That was the same dive set up to grow and made it like it was a valiant thing that was Dave's Doing Zach. Forgave him for that so there are things that happen in the game where people are to disentangle their emotions to then vote for people but why is it? Sorry for some and not for others. And that's what I don't understand. That's where have difficulty in understanding the decisions that might sometimes. Yeah there are definitely the different relationships and the different perceptions. I guess they're pretty individual. But I mean there's a demographic of the Sean like in history you know the the mother type people don't like being fruit. Oh by the MOM cooks arise and is meant to be their mother off when it's Day or like in US alive. A conference was a good example. When it's like a young guy or whatever they're like yeah you know that's what you do right so I think I said during the season. There's not not demographic stuff to do with this yeah. I think you're absolutely spot on with that. I think you're right because I. That's the only distinguishing factor. I can bring into the equation because I was close to them. In that way pats close that feel like I hit more from that perspective. So that's that's difficult because unfortunately that's why all right. I'm a very caring person. I do like to get close to people and often people sorry. That's just part of my nature when I then drop that into the guy and play it in that way. I think maybe that is the problem. This is a problem because I can't win. I mean you can and you almost couple of times but I do think that these these things very interesting to me. Like the demographic thing is it's not a problem that's a problem survivor has and that. It's kneeling with the world. Probably has but I do think that this unique thing where you are barristers to deal with two saliva juries. It's fascinating to me because I thought the emotional one for a while but like as you were saying like well. They've already made up their minds. A slice of our dreams do that. But like your juries and it's actually also them to do that. I think exactly because you've got to wait till the end of the evidence and all of that. I told they've gotTA waiting to land in the Nike and the closing addresses. Then they get the from the judge they get their instructions on how they can act on the evidence and they go in and they deliberate. Whereas these guys yeah. They're living together Their their token say it's like the opposite is the exact opposite of everything that we do within the league systems are and there will living together and coming from that subject position. So it's very different. Yeah there's probably even more differences than I think because I'm not involved in the legal system that even made make it more like how different these two things on how. We shouldn't even equate them because jurors living together and having been through the game and also jurors who played the game your jurors who are victims basically completely different to the legal system and people that nor your like your friend in the game whereas in the legal system the jury's not allowed to go on a jury and you nurse someone in court you have to excuse yourself you have to say I'm sorry. I know arguments curves and I can't see it on this jury. Sorry it's the exact opposite and in fact I've said the only thing that is common is the title jury as any other similar to be honest with you. I think that's that's as far as they truly are. Polar opposites actually kinda crazy to think about it but there's so many interesting connotations from from all of that we're going to get into the final tribal before we do. This final. Three family comes out again like no kids have missed more school going to see their family member on the line and then you'll John. That is a victory. I know you're absolutely right. It's very funny. I mean it was just so weird to see them again to have that experience. Like deja-vu ver but it was an amazing one and I'm sorry. Glad that they got to come out and see me get that far again. Sorry yeah it was my favorite part of the game. It was awesome. Yeah we talked a bit in the exit interview. Way If you had your choice. You're saying you would have taken to the end. Yeah I think sorry I mean this is something that obviously I didn't have to decide ultimately because I didn't win that final challenge but she was my closest ally and I would have loved to sat there in the end with her but at the same time. David I developed a real friendship out there and I did make him that chromosome fair as well but I did. Not that he'd played one hell of a game and that would be obviously difficult to stack up against and obviously book saying those things like Diet is going to win I yeah I think that's why my answer is more because yeah as she was my closest ally and it would be like me sitting the shine again at the end. I mean that's why talk shine and yeah. I think that's what I would have done. Yeah you talked a bit about in the beginning of the broadcast about having multiple options so in those conversations with Dave and the conversations that is give you had with moe where you just trying to have all those options just in case and you could have just made the choice as you would have had to that. Yeah I think so and MO and I. We'd obviously had a relationship out there. Obviously saying to each other that we would take each other to the end. She was telling me the same so I felt confident that she would do the same for me if she was in that position. Winning that final challenge so I felt like I was in a good position of getting to final two again. Because Dave telling you that end Moana telling me that sorry. I felt pretty good to get another shot. I'd soon what end up in the same position that I have. Yeah do you feel like would have taken you honestly? She couldn't give me a clear answer in the exit interview. Yeah I do think that she would have taken me. I think that again. She would've felt she had a stronger. Chance against me. Dave and I feel that a loyalty for her big thing and I feel that if she hadn't taken me in that moment that would have been I wouldn't have held it against your. I can tell you that. I think she personally probably wouldn't have been able to not take me. That's just my assessment. Could be completely wrong on that. How did been Dave and Mo who do you think you would have voted for the person winning and taking the other and then obviously like nine you in that would that affected into it nor I think having my experience in life and my expectations on what a juror does I would have been very objective and listen to what they had to say and I would have formulated? My response often hood everything I wanted to if I was ever Jura. That's what I WANNA do. I WANNA keep an open mind. I want to listen to everything. Say how the game was played because you daren't Nari that's one of the things about survivor. You actually darn are how. Someone's played the game until you sit down and you hear what they have to say so I would have done that. And then formed of you who I would have voted for after head and this to all the answers to the questions as well. China would have been like the first pure survivor. Jura issue I think so I think because hit for so long You know in Code on how someone should act and deal with the evidence that's just part of my nation now and that's how I approach things in life. I mean if I'm having a conversation with someone I listen to what they have to say before I jump to a conclusion or your fool me light any kind of response. Because it's important you can't you shouldn't go in with a preconceived notion. I think that's why survivor is great. Because it's really a metaphor. I keep coming back to this so I can start anyways. Challenges Represent Challenges in life and then ultimately you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions before you hear the full story and I think as humans and human nature we tend to do that and we need to be open minded understand that everyone has their story and then formulate a response objectively and fairly at the end of it you know. We spoke a little bit about final tribal in the Exit Interview. The rocks for example. How you wanted to really stick with your convictions. Daddy you see any major pros you some highlights of of your final travel council speech and then like some of the major corners that you went through as well. I've role I was happy with my final traveling space. Of course again you see a condensed version. I did go through all the other things that I've touched upon today. In the deep dive in my final tribal to make sense of my game I felt that obviously I spoke about the Shawnee. Moore's well so that was something. I was really proud of. End The rocks thing as well the ability to be able to persuade people in that Marvin and I felt that ultimately put together a good closing and always happy with it in terms of the questions that were asked. I felt that I handled those really well as well. I clearly identified the fact that I was lying for a purpose that I had to. I'm playing multiple relationships and things of that nature. I mean obviously a con was windows and asked me about the the Maurici because that three me at that point because Moana hadn't realized the truth of that she dr into that point in the game sorry into she heard that at that tribal started for me. That was kind of like. Oh God I gotTa deal with this issue now right in front of Mars. Sorry that was something that was probably my lowest point of the final travel to the honest dental you about that like in the game. Yes he did. Yeah and you tell them. At the time I said are you must be mistaken. Tend to obviously cover. Cover what I was doing it was. I think he missed. Read My lips and he was like no are. You definitely said that I was like third to not mar darn vert. Marias wanting to bring computers. I was saying no no our own slip. Yeah are gone. She missed that one. Yeah he has a hard one. I mean from what we saw. Mobile the vote that you get. He seemed to be giving you a bit of a hard time like. Did you expect it to be a little bit Kinda? It'd be probably you off a little bit more. I don't look I did. Yes but I understood why she was being hot on me and I was ready for that. So yeah I expect to be more support but I didn't get much support. All the more support I got was from Harry. I actually really appreciated that. Because I thought Harry's someone who understands how I play the game. I think he gets that perspective so that was nice. Yeah but I didn't feel much love. Otherwise Yeah and was that. Was that shocking to you. We have had the thing we do. You have been seeing like. They played a great game. But did you expect it to bad? I didn't I thought it would be that way. I wasn't expecting a lot of love but I was hoping that people would be more understanding and welcome like welcoming all a different perspective of fresh perspective. One of the things I wanted to do was to surprise people with things that done and I certainly jeep. Get that reaction at certain points in my address. I could say that people were surprised by things in particular. Dave being surprised by the fact that I knew the Jackie was learning Zach and that was great because he's surprised at that was evident to the jury and I thought well that's a really good thing to say that my apartment. He doesn't even know that I'm doing these things whereas I knew everything that he'd done in the game. I mean the only thing I didn't argue that he had to autos at one time but every other move. I knew about that Dave deed end in terms of everyone going onto that jury. I had other a direct or indirect involvement in each one of them going to the jury. Where's Dave is oblivious to to Zach for instance so I felt that that put me in a stronger position and I talked about that in in my address to them that I was the one with more information and I therefore played the game in a bit away being able to have that information to hand. Sorry I thought that that was a strength. That probably didn't get enough recognition to be a little bit of a dismissal of the game has unit of itself. I mean Mo- who said she played the game from the shadows slash. They shelter was like. Aw that's too small and move like she did vote for you but I was like. This is a game that is more value. Yeah yeah that's right and I think that's the other question where people places value because maybe like someone like area what maybe you would get his then because he might place value on someone that plays the game in that way. But I think you've also got to look at the person and why they play in the game in that way for me. I had to play it in that way. Given history in the game and the way that I applied previously people knew I was a threat on every level on so many levels so I had to be discreet in what I was doing because if I had been really people would be like. Oh Man Johnson. They look at all the news that she's got going on and history. I mean there's no way that. Let me get that thaw so I had to be sophisticated. I suppose in more smart about how I played the game and I was hoping that would pay off in the end. I was putting value in that. Yeah you feel that you delivered all of that old we did you feel a little bit thrown in maybe under the points you wanted to give you sound like you gave all of that but they just weren't receptive to it. I felt that I gave all of and they just went receptive. I felt like it was a brick wall and they. They made up their minds which was a shame because I felt like there was a missed opportunity really to recognize some really valuable points in my game in the way that I handled it. Yeah I mean we spoke a little bit of on on the exit. Had IT BEEN AGAINST MO? You've you've got a pretty good shot. I mean again. They made their minds up. The full tribal councils. We'll never know but like you think you would have had some votes there. Yeah Yeah for sure. I definitely think that would have happened. I think I would have loved to have seen that as Nali but We will never yeah never will so coming out of that tribal council did. How did you feel? Did you feel like you had a shot? Oh you didn't feel good about it. Not Coming out of the tribal council did feel like I had a shot because I felt that they hadn't gone to town on me in the sense that they could have pushed me a lot. More in in some of the questioning. I thought okay. Maybe I do have some people inside and I was particularly comforted by Harry's support. I thought that was helpful. I also wasn't completely onshore about Shawny. Thought maybe I might have her but yeah I knew I had more at career but I wasn't totally on artful. I was optimistic. Yeah coming home from one hundred days nearly one hundred day. Was it like recovering from that experience? It was a little bit easier to be honest and the first time because I'd danger the experience the full I was just very grateful to be back. Carmen with my family Enjoying Food and shelter again but to sit there and think I had to wait to find out the result. Even though I kind of felt I knew the result was was hard like. That's the worst part and white four five months to get that finality and to get that closure. That's tough I've had to do it twice. Yeah that's crazy because it's such a rare rare things so you've will you? Were watching it back or throughout those few months did your possession you want to change the only had a little more a little less throughout the time as I was watching it I thought I had less. Because the edit same to just say sorry favorable to Dave. I immediately went into analysis Maureen and I from the first episode. That's it it's done done deal. Day Wins so and as time went on I knew that the moves that I was making that I'd spoken about in my final peach went being Charen. That was quite evident to me early on. I was thinking this is not a good sign because obviously you would think that a person that obviously is going to take it out. There is a pretty important news. And they're GONNA BE SEAN. Sorry Yeah Yeah I mean. Before the show even starts we've got Dave on billboard you're not announced as pocketing which was crazy days on the project like. How did you feel watching that like knowing that you had come second already had been character? We're going to maybe win or at least come second again and Dave's on billboards and on the county currently on my fridge and you on in the marketing absolutely look to me was just sealing the deal. I was like well as if they're not going to put me out there if I win. I just didn't feel it was a good thing at all. It was very frustrating and particularly because I played a great game marine to have one hundred days under my belt to and people loved my game minority that I had so many people reach out and message me often my game. Tell me what fans they were. I just felt there was a bit of missed opportunity from that perspective to really celebrate the game. Because it is an all-star season. I mean you got some great people going out. They play sorry yet. It just sealed the deal and in my mind I was like okay. I know that for sure now which was disappointing because as a player. You don't WanNa feel like that. It's really tough to be faced with that. Sorry but luckily I'm pretty tough and that is that is not a good way to find out. You haven't won especially because like as much as I've criticized a lot of. What production did this season like? Not Putting you in the marketing unfathomable to me was really disappointed and it was a tough time because at that point in time we like dad was just starting treatment and infected had a major heart attack justice. Yes so you. Because of his cancer that may be more susceptible to blood clots. Sorry had suffered a huge heart attack and we nearly lost him and then I was thinking. Oh my gosh. She's not going to say the game is not going to see. Anything is not even. Say Me in our Sorry I was struggling with that as well and it was a very tough time because the May being a fan and just having the all stars season come on just. Let's celebrate this as a season celebrating old offices players. And and let's move into this in that way so yeah it was tough. Yeah baffling stuff. I mean when you watching it through obviously as did your dad with sake the pandemic is GONNA start. It was a couple months for all stars to air. And at the same time you know the the decision to acquire one hundred virtual the edit as said it was really bad and you on your behalf you ended up getting one hundred confessionals fewer than Dave which is insane behavior like. That's not that's a bad at it. I just have to say so. Like watching it threw. What was what was that experience like. Yeah it was really tough because the fan in May one to say all of that. I wanted to see everybody's games. I wanted it to be a more balanced kind of edit if to put it that way because that's what I love. I love seeing the strategy. I love saying behind the scenes. What everyone's thinking the real alliancesof? You want to say that and you want to be left guessing. I love that about the. Us like you literally watch it. And you don't know who's going harm I mean. Look at all Sandra Denise the other night on when is it war I mean that was awesome? Because it made me. You can see that coming but I just feel like they was. That was the difference this season for us. Few like wasn't the celebration that it could've could've should've pain. Yeah I mean the. Us have have some editing issues themselves. But to you know there's so many things I could say about the edited you give you a confessional at the final four four people in the game. There's no reason I giant have your perspective. Yeah I don't understand that at all Shannon I really because I feel like I gave so much out there and I was honest in my conditionals and yeah. It's disappointing that is disappointing. And then I feel like the fans get ripped off of the. They don't get to see the full picture and that's an important thing as a fan of the show. You want to say that because you want a full understanding of what's going on. Yeah and it was frustrating as a fan because it felt especially in that pre much time that you were such an obviously main character that you were in the middle of things then you look at the confessional. Try to be like. Oh it's not reflecting their. We're not hearing your perspective as much as we see you in the in the mix. We don't hear your thought process about it and that was annoying and sometimes I was instrumental in what was going on. And then it didn't really make sense. I remember some of the episodes coming away. And then reading social media people scratching their head and I was thinking I know why because they haven't started your ex lions it these conversations that happened and what was actually going on. Sorry it's hard. It's really really hot as PLA then to sit there and watch that on. Taytay. Yeah I'm sure I mean and then something else you had. That was so unique was at the reunion happens. Sydney super understandable these crazy crazy times wherein but to have the votes read to you at home. What was that like? Yes sorry I obviously in travel to Sydney at that point because of my dad he. He's suffering from terminal cancer and he's just finished radiation and Kmart so we are very much keeping him protected and I made that coal. Even though we hadn't reached the levels of social distancing even that we're at now at that point said. Narcan risk travelling to Sydney sorry stating Melvin and obviously linked in. But that was very weird because I was very disconnected from the rest of the cost. Obviously wasn't there with Dave and yeah I mean I had obviously had that feeling and thought they would be a particular Adt com but yeah it was hard being removed from that experience with such as strange time that they assume the reunion. Because it's the kind of thing like it makes sense that so much of the costs went down but so much whereas if it was a week before you'd have more people it was later you'd have no one. It was very weird time. It was it. Was it that kind of precarious time with people. Wish or in fact when the Ruby Princess came to Sydney. Sorry that was the Diet Dome that we filmed that sorry. Yeah we were in that stage of Vietnam nine period. But I'd I'd been planning on going to Nepal like a few weeks before that and that trip been cancelled on the advice of the World Health. When is action so I I? I understood the depth of the war. We're we're moving into and I knew that that would be a real risk in going up there. So that's why they got the you know on skype to the reunion. This experience a little. We absorb really positive and really negative. Did feel like that finality that you might be able to get from reunion. Did it feel like it was a weed note to end on? No it actually did give me that closure and it was kind of full circle for me in that Marvin because where I filmed that from was the place that I had my first interviews are. It was weird in that sense for getting on the shore. It finished in that way. So that's kind of Nice to me and I think that ended things nicely for me. Sean has been so enlightening to get everything your game that should have given us or leaves a lot of what they should have given us. I feel like I've learned so much. We do have some questions from the listeners. If you have some couple of minutes to answer them yeah I do. I don't know what my kids are during the probably tearing the House on more than happy to answer some questions. Three Shannon correct guaranteed position. I'm just letting you know. And our parents out there understanding what position. I mean at the moment because they're all in the same position arm schooling and it's very interesting essay telling you to take the questions. They WANNA keep listening. I know from some of the parents listening like my cousin was saying. It's hard to listen to podcasts. But the kids do this podcast with all the parents out there who need some content right now. Yes that's it I'm Christina offs. I'd love to hear about if you think you play differently from season. Three to season five. We've talked about but this was the question if you think one game was better than the other. That's a good question. I think I feel like my season. Three game was played better than my season. Five game in the sense that I played from the bottom and I managed to stay in there. I mean that's a really hard thing to do so I'm really really proud of that. But in saying that season five ide- play the game differently. Yes absolutely and it was a hard game to play to play the middle and relationships across the board extremely difficult. Sorry to be able to do that. Yeah it's quite something. Yeah but if I had to choose I choose in trained hands down. It was so much fun facial off what we plan said. You've been on a tribe with Roy at some point. Yeah I would've loved that to be honest because my plans were to work with him initially but then to take him out when I had to you sorry I was going to go in and work with Matt for Law and then Have some revenge less. Poor's if you WANNA put it that way not that I like to think of it that way but I would`ve. I would've taken him out just because I would have thought he'd been a strong contender at you. Know in any in game so I think my perspective he he was a threat but certainly would have used that relationship and utilized that early on. I'm Alex this is a very long questions on trying to Denver but Alex is. Did you have any hope but still getting? Shawny Broken Aka Harry and Lachie Votes offi betrayed the three of them at the rocks. And they said that you would lose their voice what was the strategy to gain them back and would that strike? You Bet if he was sitting next to mow all ties and so I know we focus about. They shouldn't have made their minds up. Was there anything that you are actively doing? Maybe while they were in the game and while I was sitting on the jury to try and like get those jury votes and just show them up before you even go to tribal council. Yeah sorry during that final tribal. When I was talking about that I related it back to the fact that they all lied at various points to me as well in sorry. I pointed that and said look. You guys are doing this to your are in vendetta and you are an objective. Sorry how's that any different to what I've done in my position so I used that as a tool to try and get them to understand the move and to bring it back to the game but obviously I was unsuccessful in that but during the game I didn't do anything se to try and alleviate that other than our general relationship kind of things because I felt that I wanted to leave that to funnel travel to address that but PAT's maybe I should have said something I mean the game. Now if they're gonNA go into that foul trouble with the mind kind of set. Maybe that's something impeach applies to consider. I think we've looked through this. Sean is at any of these jurors to be th- dismiss cameo jury the courtroom. I think we'd be challenging them and does very different such interesting insight into your game and in to the legal profession as it pertains to survive a Sean. Thank you so much for doing this. I feel like I looked slow much. Listen it's GonNa love it that's okay Shannon. Saw me now would bring some inside and clarity and answered. Some questions are thank you very much in Spain. A real pleasure to chat with you today and lovely to meet you all that time guard and I wish you very best thank. You was anywhere that the listeners can find you. What are you doing at the moment that the listeners can kind of keep in touch with what you're doing while I'm on social media? I'm on instagram. And I'm on twitter. Facebook religiously usual places. I've just started writing a blog. Sorry that I've got a website that tends to that and just talking about various things about surviving isolation things of that nature but otherwise. I'm back at work. Well kind of the courts of close down somewhat so. There's not a lot of work actually going on at the moment and yeah but I've got other ideas. Things moving forward like to get into politics as well so. I've got things on the horizon. Yeah but I can get me on social media. Yeah Okay will you ask them following me engage subscribed as internationals my feed because we have so many deep dives coming out about this and we've had shawny. We've had nick Dave now. We have this like if the didn't do a justice we have we have. I think really given insight into the season. Harry is going to be doing this weekend and then I'm also hoping to speak to a Moscow talking about. Us survivor global. This week was with my brother. Jason which was so fun next guy from Africa and then I also did a podcast on Shits Creek. So I'm just Kinda like jumping around at the moment with some stuff. Yeah Broadcasting I think is causing me to go insane but also keeping me insane in isolation. It's both things yes. Seattle food are made and it's good to have a sorry and luckily potassium. You can do from harm. So that's great. Yes luckily most of the things I can be done from really functionally. My life hasn't changed that much. It's just the panic is really stressful in and of itself. Yeah safer made. This is foreign territory because I'm in court every day. I'm really struggling down. Not used to being harm at all. I know now you're teaching kids. Who HAVE CAR LOANS? What they're doing brunch loans? It's podcasts so I appreciate it. Just come hard. Sorry he's here now which is great because he's been in the city but yeah okay Family for me. That's my thing and hopefully I'll see you around at some point in the future. Yes and we have a lot of social distancing. Hopefully they'll be moving parties and Melvin. We get that job at Sean. Thank you so much. This was so so much fun. Thank you Scott saint-pierre behind the scenes. Thank you to all of the listeners. Checking this out and we will see you on the next deep dive by an Australian dream for ordinary. Australians almost one million pounds which could night spoke Simon Schuster.

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