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#430 - Joey Logano & Sara Price

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#430 - Joey Logano & Sara Price

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Have, tiffany stone, and Chris Leoni chiming in with their respective segments, but a couple of block buster interviews coming at you today. Get a load of this. Not only do. We have my good friend. She's been a part time coast on the show, but she has blown up and exploded the past two years Mrs Sarah Price on air to talk about her new ride with chip ganassi racing in the extreme east series. She's going to be here in our number one taking up a whopping two segments, but then our number two. We have making his down and dirty radio show debut NASCAR driver fourteen penske. Joy Lugano and I am excited. Deliver those two interviews plus power rankings with Chris. We got an offroad and a motor sports update and car automotive update with tiffany selling, and you never know where that segments go, but I gotTA. Tell you we are delivering today. The goods right here on the show and man only that we got a lot to talk about here. Man My good friend and vision wheel. teammate Alan Hunia. Dropped just a massive. You know viral video called amped. We're going to dive into that here. In the in the you know in the top of the hour here on the top of the segment. I guess so we got to talk about not only that man I remodeled the studio here pulling a little. A Little Martha Stewart Action and maybe we'll talk about some of the cool stuff. We're going to be doing out of the studio in time to come, but not only that, but you know as you're listening to this I'm probably because I pre taped it because I got to fly I am heading up to dirt Fisher rally school next week for a bunch of days of training and its content gathering. I'm also bringing along Red Bull. Athlete MEA chairman with me. It's going to be a ton of fun all that more coming at you today, right here. 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There's just quite simply a hell of a lot going on right now and I. Do want to give a big shout out to our good friends. Their X. Games I know they're celebrating this summer. Their twenty fifth anniversary of X. Games you WanNa talk about you know one I, it's been a huge part of this show over the years, but just a huge part of my life me start talking X. Games I me before I even got into Motor Sports X. Games kind of bridge that gap, because then it became action motorsports. This show has been an action sports. Obviously we broke through and started doing a little bit of traditional motorsports, but you know X. Games has been such a massive influence in part of my life I mean I go back to the eighties. You know what I was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred I'm thirty nine now. And It was it was one of those things like I was into BMX ice skate board as well, but it's really bmx for me. You know and movie. Rad came out and then there escape TV on ESPN and you know there. Are you know are on Nickelodeon. Excuse me, and but it was like you got. These bite sized chunks. Not only that you know of Action Sports Right and you've got. The magazine's monthly is a subscriber to be next plus thrasher thrasher. Before it was like the cool thing where all these kids that have never skateboarded. Wear the shirts like. Is a big deal for me, and then all of a sudden ESPN. X. Games came out I was like Oh. Wow, this is huge. Right and you know, BMX, race and things like that, but now it was like on TV mainstream. Everybody's talking about it. As a whole lot easier to consume, and this is pre internet days right and so ESPN really. It was a big thing I. Mean I used to tape the summer x Games as you know what I mean, and and that way I could rewatch them all year long you know and you know and then moving on into my career. IBM axed in Rhode and competitions and things like that. You know up until I was in college, and even when I was in college I, did some and It was just one of those I. It was such a big part I still still ride, but then it gravitated into motorsports and Travis Pastrana, FM X. Brian Deegan. You got guys like David Muir crossing, overdoing rally cars, and then I get into announcing in this show, and now I'm interviewing these guys that I grew up with they're all personal friends and you know, and they all go acts games every single year. I mean even stronger has got you know. NITRO World Games that competes with X. Games a bit. Even he gave a shout-out for twenty five. You know and and it's. Just such a massive part of my life and it still is you know I still never miss an X. Games I tune in. I will say winter x you know I. I'm not as big into win akzam summer. Experts still try and catch as much winter x games I possibly can at least the marquee events and things like that. Especially you know anything. snowmobiles because I've got so many friends. And they come on the show and things like that, but you know I, it was. A big big part of my my life. It influenced me. It influenced this show. Still when we get X. Games, athletes on whether it be F-, Amax or You know back in the day, Rallycross we we helped. You know. We're one of the biggest media outlets for a couple of years with X. Games rally cross GRC. We were the media outlet. The covered it you know, and it was a definitive part of this show and you know so i. just have to give a big shoutout to all my friends at ESPN I mean Elissa Roenick. She is phenomenal. You know her. As Neil one of the reporters with X. Games back in the day I. mean she you know. She rode with me in starker and the razor star. Car. For Espn, and you know and Gen Z. I. Mean You know you WanNa talk about a legend? In Rally Co driving, and broadcasting at least in the rally world, and she was a part of X. Games and I mean she's been a big influence on my career. As I got into TV, she actually helped me. Voice Act and learn how to carry my voice and do certain things that I never even thought of right you know and I and I've had to dip into that well many times doing voiceovers and and broadcast and things like that you know and she was. The media director for Razor Star in that program for me and you know it just is so deep. WHAT ESPN is brought to the table in my career, my influence things like that so and many others I mean You know Tony. Hawk wouldn't be who he is today without without. He's still be one of the great escape boards of all time, but would he be Tony Hawke Mr Nine Hundred Tony Hawk. He would have done it, but you know it wouldn't have the eyeballs in the attention. You know guys like Dave who gosh I still Miss Dave. You know every single day, but I'm guessing. Superstars, Games took them from superstars to global icons and You know we. We can't downplay that, but even with this show I mean you know our coverage of games and some of the events and some the action motorsports at ESPN was involved in I mean that that helped us get the notoriety and to be where we're at today, so goodstuff ESPN. Is this the first time in what? I can't see wasn't didn't think X. Games originally started in every other year. Thing and but then it. became like an every year. Thing but I gotta say. This is going to be probably one of the first years. I'm a very very long time without a summer game so kind of a bummer. But, obviously a lot going on in the world, but did WANNA. Give a shout out to our friends at ESPN and. Everybody there at X. Games for you know. Keep doing what you're doing. You know you know. We'll be tune in and I know we've been critical of them of times wanted things, but it's because we're so passionate about it. I think they appreciate that fans passionate Do. Want to give another mentioned man as we kinda. Roll through here in this opening segment my vision, we'll teammate. Alan and Pootie has just dropped. A vehicle amped. Go check it out on youtube just amp. Aunt check it out over there on Youtube. Basically, he took his trophy truck through the streets of through the streets of insulin. Nada and I gotTa Tell. You Man Little John was a part of it. Co drove in the truck and did some music. It's scripted kind of cool. But I gotTA. Tell you know they throat Alan Papas and beer, but these boys can drive the Pootie brothers and Alan I mean some of the stuff you know. What I heard this and I'm like man. They better bring their game BG Baldwin. Did a recoil an insult. You better. Bring your game if you're GONNA go toe to toe with BG Baldwin and I gotTa Tell Ya. I think. I don't want to say delivered the knockout. Blow to bj Baldwin in regards the incident Nada but I gotta say that. They definitely won a few rounds of the boxing match and I think Bj even on her social media conceded that like some of the jumps. Some of the stuff that Allie pootie did in this video. Man It was insane and you know scripted. There was some acting in it, but it was only like four and a half minutes long and I think a lot of times. People with these viral videos now think that they need to go seven eight minutes with these car videos ten twelve fifteen minutes. I love this video being fifteen minutes it was. It was our excuse me being. Being four and a half minutes. I think it was nice. Action packed tight concise, and it delivered on all fronts, so if you got four after five minutes definitely go over to Youtube Checkout amped with Alan and puja. You are definitely going to love it. Let me tell you it was. It is worth the price of admission I. Know reached out to them. We are going to have a rear next week because I'm going to be at dirt fish in the, we're going to be dropping some interviews and you know podcast record up there but you know so I know in the coming weeks were probably GonNa have Alan on the show working at that, so be great to talk to him. Find out what they're doing and. Obviously, racing and Baja is kind of at a standstill right now, but be fun to catch up with Alan and Pootie, so be looking for that, but check it out, amped amp de epat over there on Youtube, not going to not going to disappoint you. And then we had some major major news coming out about a week ago in regards to pro four. I can't remember what time did on and on the show last week or not. We're definitely going to this week Lucas, oil the looks off road racing series, pulling the plug on pro four whacking it. That is right. They were going to have a very small entry list this year. Kyle was base going to be running against maybe one other truck. He's decided to switch switch and go race in the Midwest Championship off road series. That meant left Maybe potentially one truck and Lucas offered racing series, so they decided. You know what we're not gonNA offer that class. This year we will at the regional level, but we're going to focus on pro. Pro Light. Buggies, UTV's I think is smart. Move on Lucas all as part, and it did a great things for championship off road, and you know the pro four division I think we're looking at maybe seven eight nine fulltime entries in the Mid West. William seen a pro four field that deepen quite quite quite some time so Kylie do one of the big names going to be doing battle with Andrew Carlson cj grease Johnny Grease. I'm sure the RG Anderson he's going to pull his truck out once in a while, maybe for the CRANSTON's obviously got bryce menzies. Who will go back there? At some point? I'm sure for and so. It's GonNa. Be a wicked, wicked pro warfield. In the Midwest this year. It's got me really really excited about what's to come and you know and you know. Obviously it's going allow Lucas oil with those protein drivers to really put the focus on them and be like you are class. You're going to run at the end of the day. You're going to be under the lights. Lights, nobody's competing for the spotlight. It's all about you guys, you know. They got Ryan beat. They got some heavy hitters heard rumors of rob. Mac, going to be doing a little A little pro to this year wasn't didn't have plans to do it, but now he can possibly will so I think it's going to be an interesting time for short-course, obviously the biggest. THE BIGGEST OFF-ROAD RACE! After the pandemic is going to be silver state in the desert, and then we've got a rx in mid July, and then we follow that up with Reno with Lucas. Offroad racing series, so lots of offroad to come I'm really excited. We're starting to get a good of of what what road is going to look like. In the second half of twenty twenty I gotTa. Tell you it's GonNa be a slammed packed, Vegas Torino are. Hearing rumors of a massive entry lists there a lot of people gun shy possibly the Baha bow thousand safely to fifty one happened so lots of good stuff coming, but speaking of good stuff. We've got Sarah Price coming up next right here. On the general tire down to thirty radio show powered by Polaris Razor, your life demands a tire that provides durability, comfort and performance, and that's what general tire. Tire deliver for you from the all season grip of the grammar, you HP to the comfort, and on road, manners of grabber s to the durability offer attraction of the grabber at to general has tire. That will help. Get you where you need to go, so let us take you on your next big adventure. tweet us at general tire, Hashtag, anywhere as possible because with general tire anywhere is possible. Don't shred you way through any off road rugged terrain. Get into gear GSP. and. 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Guess She's been known to co host this show as well, but she's got some Big News Sarah Price Welcome back Serra. Everyone thanks so much for having me well I know. We spin kind of weird. We go in these binges where you and I talk like three times a week, and then we don't talk for like three months and I feel like we're in that kind of like that delay period where we haven't really talked for a few months, but that being said you know I'm stoked to have you back on Sarah. Because I guess extremely E. Chip Ganassi Racing I. Mean this is about as a big of announcement as it comes in the world of off road. I know I I still so shocked and so excited and honored, and you know any good words I can even say about it is what comes to mind and I I'm excited for this next adventure. You know I I've been in the trophy track now and now to have opportunity to read something completely new with a whole `nother, you know type of race team and especially like chicken acting like doesn't get better than that. That's such an honor, and to be a part of a winning team of NASCAR INDYCAR, you know rally cars and sports cars is pretty incredible. Well you don't and I I definitely want to talk about chip Ganassi racing this whole thing but. You I have been. Friends for I don't know at this point, maybe better part of a decade Sarah, but like I. Feel like I I've seen you transition from dirt bikes to I. mean running your. What was it a polaris? One hundred at you know in the regionals, and like I kind of seen this transition to four wheels and things like that I feel like Gosh is opportunity you WanNa talk about presenting itself the right time because I feel like Sarah Price three years ago. You might have not been ready for this and I think you'll be the first. Say you know what I mean but like. You've graduated into the trucks. You've done you know A. A bunch of different stuff and I feel like everything you've done the past three or four years as literally like you know those experiences, and you'll be able to grab here and grabbed there, and and do all that it's all come full circle, and now it's like you're finally able to put all those skills the last few years. You've developed together into this program and I. Feel like man you. WanNa talk about something hitting at the right time at the right place I. Feel like this opportunity like you know even two years ago like you wouldn't have been in the place where I think you could be as successful as you are today. Yeah, most definitely you know I think just everything in anything that I have done racing wise. You're driving wise just to make myself a better. Ashley has you know obviously presented me the opportunity when I got that phone call from The team I was just like. Wow, that is incredible. You guys want me to be a part of your team You know it. It's something that I I'm so glad that my hard work has paid off and is being shown, and you know I. had some other teams interested as well, and that's a big deal like to to be going after this little also girl, you know basically these NASCAR teams and. It's you know it's a big deal. It's a huge deal, not just for me, but I think for off road as well and I'm so excited to highlight that. Well and I think honestly I tip the CAP to chip. Ganassi racing because I think a lot of offroad. We've seen things like this before. And I think well one chip Ganassi, racing and Andretti autosport both involved in extremely. It immediately lent itself credibility to the community in the United States. But I feel like for long. It's time you know a lot of these organizations because their European base, they just look for European drivers, and and that's not to say. There's no shortages talent there but I feel like this all of a sudden. One ANDRETTI chip Ganassi getting involved, but to bringing you in I I feel like now. It's like man, the off road world at least here in the southwest like we're all paying attention you know and. It's one of our own. I think we're all very very excited to see this. Because I feel like you know, we know we've got some world, class, talent and world-class drivers, but I feel like it's very few, and far between we get opportunities to showcase out on the world stage, and I think you know me, my you know me, and I think the entire industry included. We're very excited that you're going to get to showcase what we do here. In the South West sometimes I think does in the major world. motorsports get forgotten about a little bit. Yeah, definitely, I think you know off road is. It, still so tiny to are you know for us like it's? It's surprising. Sometimes I go places and I'm talking to people who you know the Super Contractors and I'm like Yeah I. Like the race trucks like trophy trucks or unlimited trucks and they're like Oh. What's that you know and I'm like you know about a trophy truck. Like. This is like the coolest thing in the world. How can you not know about one? It just don't doubt me sometimes so I think being able to be on such a stage like extreme e and racing around the world was so much publicity so much attention with drivers that are s one teams like you know, chip, Ganassi, and the most you know educated. teens and electric racing are at the forefront of the series. It's GonNa be really cool. not only just erase it, and it'd be a part of it in the history. It's GonNa make, but also for off road industry to Kinda get highlighted 'cause we're for racing on dirt every ray. I think we're kind of you. Know I, feel like our secrets in the southwest are starting to get exposed I mean you know one? We've got somebody you know very well. Ricky Gray back, but a case Kerry who went out and they they happen to win. That little event called the rally. You know and and I feel like you know now now. This being said you know I feel like all our little secrets in the southwest. Maybe they're starting to take notice you know. Yeah definitely, I'm actually. At Ricky Right now funny. He's awesome. We were out side-by-side yesterday and we were out all day long, and it was a typical. We're going to be backed by three TM's turned into be backed by seven PM. We just had a blast out there. And Here's a question. You know what I mean. You and I are friends, so so does. Does it get under icky skin when you guys go out like the UTV's, and you're just wicked, quick and way faster than him, or does it, or is it skills on four wheels? Are they on par with you Sarah? He's actually a really a driver I. It was very impressed. Though the first time we went out, my fraser was still getting bill. He already bought one, and so we I wrote passenger with him and I don't usually do well as a passenger. And I actually trusted him, and he was really good. He's a very Confident drivers very smooth. He doesn't you know. Do dumb stuff like he doesn't live on the edge too much to where it's like something soup. It's going to happen. Show off or anything like that, which is really cool but yeah I think he definitely a future and driving after he's done with two. Probably goes back to car stuff, though because he's like. Yeah, we gotta make something last two weeks. We can't just send it on the first day, right? Yeah and you super competitive. Don't get me wrong like we were racing. One ten together and I got on. Ted and I lined up right next to him, and he didn't say a word to mean like ninety something wrong. For All of you don't know where where together that's my boyfriend, but here he looked at me like. Really we have to race against each other, and then we go off the track and I'll say. Good, he's like yeah. I just didn't want you to beat me. Say Well thanks for telling me I was like cool. We're just openly competitive. I guess you would say which it makes it fun. You just flip it on flipping office helmets. Go down yet, we we. It's full-on. Let's go and then the helmets come off, so yeah, we're cool now. And then a side by sides I'm sure it will be the same thing you know. When we both get both of our cars going. We go out there. It's going to be I think he's GonNa be having a blast when he gets touched bumpers with me. Well, it's funny because you and I did a lot of traveling together. You posted up something this morning from tear cross where you're just ended out of that Mangla Unlike WanNa. Talk about some like I. I see I would love to see you. Guys go battle on something like that and tear across where it's full on yard sale. Obviously tear across doesn't exist anymore, but. That would be so much. There's things about that series I so miss opportunities like that. Where if you call Joey like? Joe Rickey wants to run as a job like bringing on. Flash, YEAH! I'm all for it. I think that'd be a by. We'd have to bet on something I don't know what we would bet. Oh better. Like anytime around Pastrana. You can't do anything. You can't even go out to eat without a bet. Is Ricky. One of those guys where there's always going to be a bet going on? No there's not always that that going on, but there's definitely something that we got to like. Make it better because he like so right now has a one car. Here's a class one car, I don't. Know that. Yeah, so he races like one off races whenever he can. His goodwill allowed it. And he wants race overstate and right now. I'm not racing silver state, so he's trying so hard to yet. MEDICOS FORUM! And I'm like I don't know I. Don't think Puke on you. I've never gotten sick in a car, but I don't do well, let's see in. I don't know we'll see. We'll see if I ended up writing with them. That's I don't know if I could do that. I've corrode with Joe Lean and the razor and things like that but I. I don't know class one car. That's like another level of commitment with somebody I. Don't know that I would be ready for a classroom car. Right. It'd be. It'll be interesting to see if we do. It'd be fun though it's all very close friends and just go out there and have a blast. It would definitely be a ton of fun so. Man So. We gotta get back to to talk in a little bit of a little bit of extreme. Eat here. Sarah but before we do that I, got to take a short commercial break in. We'll return here to the general tire down. Attorney radio powered by Polaris Razor. Polaris riders Jim Beaver. Irish trophy trucks professionally hosted down and dirty radio show, and also travel the country announcing motorsports events I've seen it all and trust me. I've done most of it so when it comes time to relax on the weekend. 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Welcome back to the general tire down dirty radio show powered by polaris razor I got my good friend and extreme e driver for chip Ganassi Racing Sarah Price on the show Sarah I know we're having a little fun. Before we went to the break, but we gotta we a circle back and now we gotta talk some some extremely here because. What can you tell me because I I mean obviously I don't know that anybody's really had a lot of seat time behind the wheel these. I know you've driven just about anything with a gas engine. You know what to expect moving into an electric like this I. Mean. What what? What do we know? I know kind of the format of the races. You're going to be switching off with another driver. I know this second driver for at chip. Ganassi racing hasn't been named yet. But what can you tell us so far about you know the vehicles a format? What do you know? so the vehicles are their electric. They're gonNA have quite a bit of suspension, so it's going to be a SPEC series so. Can Change Anything when I say anything I mean even our seats. when other thing is you know obviously with electric engine. We're going to have instinct pork. I don't know if saving the battery's going to have to come into play. Or what the deal is going to be with that S-? Because when you exhausted electric vehicle at its full potential, it goes a lot faster died after so we'll see and then yeah, I don't know if we're going to be also changing our driving Steve. From the male driver of the female driver or vice versa under time, so that would be a whole other strategic play. When we find that out the courses are about sixteen kilometers nine miles. And we do one lap switch off and then the other driver does the other lap we go from. Eight teams. Down to one winner. They'll be qualifying. A crazy, race. And then inner race, we get a boost. which will be really exciting to see how that changes things that they do that formula now. And then also an award for the longest job which I'm excited for. Well. See what I think is interesting is I think a lot of people when this was announced, expecting almost like a car with electrics, and this is completely. This is almost like I guess I would compare it to like the races at Laughlin or something like that where it's at short-course desert type of field where it's still like a very much a sprint race. You don't have to settle in and let the race comedy I mean this is Gaston game on less go right now because you know. Anytime you lift. You're losing crucial seconds in. These races are going to be decided by tenths of a second, or or you know one or two seconds. I don't think we're. GonNa see big gaps twenty thirty second gaps I mean that hearing what you just said. That's got me excited I. Mean this is yes, it's desert race amid man. This is a this is all out sprint Sarah. Yeah, it's going to be i. feel like more like a short Corsi type racing, so we're door to door, which is even more exciting for me. so yeah, we're going to be going out there. Pretty much puddle. The metal is as much as we can. You know much as vehicle allows us which I haven't had a chance to drive one yet. They've been trying to schedule that in the last months to try figuring out when travel bans and all that will be lifted, but looking like I'll get a chance in the next few months. but yeah it's GonNa be interesting because we don't have noise either so that's GonNa be something new to get used to. Burger nine I guess we just hearing a lot of whining and ear. He gears working of it. You know you're not going to be able to see where people are behind you as well. You'RE GONNA have to you know. Make just focus on being forward and not look behind, or you're GonNa have to have your toe driver kind of help you out with that. Well you know what I think too That's an interesting thing about the no sound because like. With off road trucks. We've got that big. You know that horsepower that sound, so you don't hear everything but I feel like being in an electric and being an offroad like you're gonNA. Hear Every Creek and crack rock go underneath the chassis. That's going to be like an eerie feeling because I know me like your racing in. The last twenty five thirty miles of their race. Sarah, and you're sitting there, and you can hear every single thing on your truck like all come on, hold together hold together like. Squeaking and not wanting to fish, very. You're like I'm on a road. How could you not stay straight? Come on truck. Right and I feel like now with these. You're going to feel that tin foil because you're not going to have the engine noise the hide anything. It's like you're gonNA. Hear Everything Sarah. That like all rocks and everything. Yeah, that's GONNA. Be Interesting. If that's going to be totally new for me, 'cause obviously I've never raced electric vehicle, but I'm excited. It's pretty cool, and so another really cool thing about this is where seven people a team, so you have both drivers, probably for mechanics, and a manager is what I'm guessing, not for sure yet, and then our product is on a ship that's ran on hydrogen and some other alternative fuels. that. Were all staying on the ship, and working on the ship and everything for only thing we get off for is just to go racing, so that's a whole nother thing. That's pretty cool like the ship built just for this race just for the teams. Well I was reading to like I mean the places you're going to go. Cynical Saudi Arabia Nee Paul Greenland Brazil. You want to talk about some radd places I mean you're like me. You've traveled a lot, but I think a lot of these places Sarah I. Mean you know you probably haven't been before? They like that's exciting, not only that, but I think a lot of these places like Nepal. Greenland like I don't know that they've ever had offroad races there, right? I mean this is GonNa be Kinda cool. I know said that really you're an interview and they're like you know. Have you ever wanted to go to Europe for any sort of race? No, they don't really have a probe there. So I never thought of it but I don't think if you would've asked what my dream was five years ago. Was I want to travel the world racing? And look at what the extreme is is exactly that and getting the travel world these most impacted environment. Mental areas. You know that we actually raised a really awesome machine on and not to mention what's one of the best teams in American racing, so I'm on cloud nine I'm so grateful and so so and can't wait to get to work to do well, and you know the team itself they they WanNa win. That saved definitely made that clear and I don't like to become versus or so. We're GONNA. Do our best to do that. Yeah, well, here's a question I mean obviously you're you're the. First female in the thirty year history of Chip Ganassi racing to be signed their Ostra, which I think is amazing in and of itself you know and. Here's this you know this basically racing organization with with so many wins and so many different disciplines like now. You got the opportunity I, mean are. Are you sitting there back there salving are at go the indy five hundred this year. Sarah's going to go some NASCAR or like. Are you looking at that going all right so now? I get to actually go in, and you know they've got some amazing Scott, Dixon anyone one of the greatest of all time. You know like you. You're joining some elite company. Here's Sarah. I know it's Kinda crazy. I That's been a question I thought to like we'll do you. Have you know the the? Do you WANNA GO TO NASCAR INDYCAR? You're with one of the best teams now and you know I love racing everything I'm going to anything and everything till the day I can't. And I'm up for anything. I love to try everything the if I'm go to. Adopt well and figure it out. so opportunity arose little. You Bet I'd be there. I will just say one of the sponsors again. Ask is a very good friend, mine and this last year at the Indianapolis Grand Prix. The road race before the indy five hundred the weekend before qualifying. He's like hey, Jimmy. He's like come up here with me. So I went up into the spotters tower, and it's on top of the pagoda. Indianapolis Motor speedway and you're up there and I gotTa, tell you it is one of the greatest views ever so I'm just telling you if you go to Indianapolis this year. Go Hey I wanna go on top of the spotters tower because I'm telling you it is insane Sarah. Oh Man. I'm going to have to them that like domes like it just needs to happen, so just put it out there. I've never I've only been to one INDYCAR race. That was because well. No, I've been to a few because I was racing, but like. To Watch and like the involved in the INDYCAR Piss. I've never been on that side of it. Only you know rationing stadium super trucks. Going to say we've been to. I've been a long beach with you, so I know you've at least been one yeah. Yeah. and. I was GONNA. Say I went to my first NASCAR race this year. That's the first place. I got to drift my my new BMW. I just bought. Nice so all that being said I mean what's what's the next you know? Obviously? This gets kicked off and twenty twenty one. What's the next few months? Look like for you in preparation for that. I mean obviously. You've got some other stuff. You're going to be doing I. Mean you've got some other opportunities in the desert and with UTV's. I'm sure you're gonNA Kinda hit hit a few things here and there, but I mean. What's the ramp up here? We're six months from the start at twenty twenty one. I mean what what's the next six months. Look like for Sarah. Price and chip Ganassi racing in regards to extremism. And, so we're working closely right now on figuring out dates to get a hold of the vehicle or get to see it or drives it as well as you know. There I put it in my ten names for drivers for male drivers, and then they had their ten names. together, they ended up. Having a four nations are on both of our lists, so that works out great, so they're talking to those four drivers. so, what do we pick out a male? Will Kinda get going on strategy and stuff like that and working together and hopefully getting seat time as much as we can on anything and everything, and then yeah, just basically preparing much as we can, and I'll be of course driving my class razors much as they can and then I have a race coming up in August, which will be Vegas Torino in Chattanooga whiskey trophy trucks. so I look forward to that as well nice and I'll be out of Vegas Torino run into some looking forward to that one. I feel like all of us kind of been sitting on our hands for a few months. Elba's been canceled and all these other races and I, unfortunately I'm not recent silver state. That wouldn't in our budget at our plans with. With our sponsors, but I feel like Vegas Torino's going to be massive this year. I feel like it's the first really marquis desert race kind of coming out post pandemic since the meant you know, and that's not saying anything about about silver state is just traditionally not one of the big races, but I feel like Vegas or you know it's just GonNa be huge. Yeah I agree. I I'm super excited. The mid four hundred was my first race in the actual truck class. So we will get to see. We had some issues so that put us back. We were on pace, which is awesome to? We were comparing our times to being only a few seconds and menzies on our first and second lap, which was huge, but then going into Vegas to Reno. We're hoping we don't have issues, so we can actually show, and you know do well. Well! That said. Here's a question, I have never even talked about this, but I've driven trophy trucks obviously, and I've actually never driven a sixty one hundred truck. You Transition Sixty one hundred trophy truck. What was the biggest difference there I mean obviously got more horsepower, but was there any kind of learning process other than you know what I mean? I guess you know breakings, probably a little bit different, and you break points and things like that, but I mean what. What was the biggest change in that? You know what I mean. You know going from sixty one hundred a trophy truck. Yeah the breaking point for a little different, but not too much 'cause I'm always ahead of myself from breaking anyways in the sixty one hundred and I think you know and the TD TC sweat sped class I would always drive in a little harder. To break harder But that just comes from like Moto but then now. Being the trophy truck. It's so much more planet like the trucks. Just a lot more settled I feel like because it's heavier and then on top of that now I have the power to get out of situations and to also get up on top stuff easier and faster, so it's. It's a lot more helpful. I guess In the T. Spec, you really had to drive it because if he didn't then you're gonNA. Get Yourself A to a little bit of a pickle. You'd have to get yourself out of when you don't have power on your side. And I've always said that about trophy truck and said you know the thing. People understand I said. Trophy truck is so forgiving in there so much horsepower everything is so big. I said that you can actually be a very bad driver, and still be pretty quick and a trophy truck and I feel like you know and Thi Specter Sixty one hundred. You don't really have that opportunity because cornering. There's not as much horsepower there. There and things like that where you know, it's keeping your momentum to the corner. You can't really be sloppy, got to be a very precise drier and sixty one hundred You know what I mean I feel I, can troby truck just because of the way they are. You know there's a lot of drivers that you can make mistakes, and still it's not. It's not like it's going to be the end of the day. Exactly yeah. I think When you starting in the t back before I got no trophy truck, and he was very helpful, because it taught me to speed taught me. You know the worst of the truck and how to save the trump, not sliding through corners to get you know any side while punctures or anything like that, and then also to you know Dr Conley because. Smooth, faster and I think offs road you know it's. It's so easy to go little bit over, and then blow a few corners and I does that up a long time and these races are so competitive now coming down the seconds on who wins? I agree it's been kinda crazy to see how much has changed and just a short amount of time, but Sarah always fun having you on the show, always appreciate catching up looking forward to seeing you in the extreme each championship there with the with chip, Ganassi racing, and with that said we are going to take a short commercial break. We'll be back to wrap our number. 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Who Do you have at number five this week? Well Jim it's always fun to drop the gate immediately on these power rankings and I am going to go to Salt Lake City, where they've been dropping the gate repeatedly in Supercross, and I've actually got a tie for number five with eastern West splitting the past week in supercross action I'm giving it to both of the winners for different reasons. Austin Faulkner in the West for You know gaining a few points on Dylan verandas and trying to make that championship interesting coming into the finale, and I'm giving it. It to chase sexton for asserting that lead over Shane mcelrath, and giving himself the advantage going into the finale, where both he and for and us are. GonNa try to go back to back in the eastern West class well I will get to some of those names later on lists, but for number five I am actually dropping the gate going to go into Salt Lake. City as well, but I'm dropping it for a different reason. Yes, I. AM dropping it for a guy who hasn't made our power rankings yet this. This year, but he is making is making it this time, and for good reason, Mr Chad Reed. Who obviously this is the finale. This is the last full time supercross race of his career. He said you know what you may see me some one offs next year you know I'd like to do a one, but never fulltime again, but you know I know he this was supposed to be kind of swansong. Sail off into the sunset year. It kinda erode kind. Kinda got pulled out from under him with cove. Cove nineteen but chattering good friend of the show, good friend of both of ours Chris and I got him a number five. Just because you know what's an honorary number five. Yeah See. I was going to save Chad until afterwards, but certainly point well taken in Chad has been awesome to awesome to work with for me on the I. Racing Sidon I thought it was a little funny that he went to the C. Q in the sort of wrapped his elsie q league breath by taking the victory. In the most recent races of this recording, but going to number four for me. I am going to the only person on my list this week. That didn't get on with the victory, and it's the xfinity. We're going to the XFINITY series in homestead. Going no aggression, who basically dominated both races of the double header came up short in both cases. To other drivers to very capable drivers, in Harrison, Burton and chase brisk were able to get around him for both victories. But you know when you show the kind of pace that Noah Gregson had it. It certainly deserves I. Know that fourth-place power rankings is probably not the kind of consolation prize that you know he was going for when he was leaving. Both of those races in the final stages, but I will give it to him. No aggression number four for me well number four. I'M GONNA. Go back to some supercross and I had chased sexton slotted in at number four, but this becomes a fluid concept as you know, and you had mentioned your number five and I go you know what? I'm GonNa do the same as you sexton at four and I didn't have faulkner on my list, but I'm GonNa go with sexton slash fortner at number four for the same reasons you did and. Chase section. I gotTA give him a lot of credit this year, though because. We thought this was mcelrath. Basically Championship to lose. I'm not saying he lost it, but Sexton, obviously in the driver's seat now and some really interesting going into this finale, and I gotta give him a lot of credit 'cause he spice things up a little bit in that two fifty battle there, so yeah, we're going with the chase. sexton slashed Austin Faulkner at number four Chris. He got a number three. Yeah, for sure. Sure and just you know about Sexton, just real quick. Obviously, he you know he won that title last year and I'm sure a few people thought it was fluky, because I know the east kind of it was a strange championship last year. Right and you know people might have thought. He fell into it, but you know anytime you go back to back. You're not GonNa fall into a championship two years in a row. I am staying with the red for number three and I am going with a writer who is through some serious health issues over the past few months, but managed to return to the top step of the podium Ken Robinson has been. You know riding his butt off over the past month. You know just trying to keep within the conversation right with. You know with the four fifty class in obviously you know. The championship is not within his sights anymore. I know look like it could have been at the beginning of the year and no doubt that's a disappointment for him. To be diagnosed with shingles to have had breathing problems for months and to go win in Salt Lake. City I mean that takes some serious Kahane's, so I'm GonNa give Ken rocks and number three this week. I know we posted up in the group and a lot of people chimed in wondering what the heck was going on with Kenner oxygen and the breathing, so yeah for him to to do what he's done. It's it's definitely remarkable. But I'm going to move to homestead Miami for my number three and I'm GonNa go with race winner, Denny Hamlin and to the race, obviously started on the Pole, won the race lead, two, hundred and sixty seven, or excuse me want lead one hundred and thirty seven of two hundred sixty seven laps, dominating effort there by Denny Hamlin and I just don't think anybody had anything for him so for that I'm going to go. Denny Hamlin number one excuse me number three on his win. Jim I will. I will have to get to denny in a minute. My number two I am going to stick with somebody who has been pretty consistent on this list for his. His status as the Wednesday night wonder of the four fifty class Cooper web sweeping all three Wednesday's You know I don't know if that's so much of anything is a coincidence or a quick, but in oh three wins in this crazy crazy segment of the season is nothing to sneeze at so all respect in the world for Cooper web making this championship interesting in the you know making sure that Eli Tomac clinch. That championship can't wrestle away that number one plate from him. Him until the bitter bitter end, and as we all know, anything can happen in the final round of supercross season, so we'll have to see what happens, but Credit Cooper web for keeping himself in the conversation. He's my number two and you know what I had Cooper web slotted in at number two as well so we're green at least on one this week and the same reasons you said you know obviously he like Tomac it's GonNa take a miracle for him not to Clinch Championship. Cooper web at least kept that storyline alive where where the championship hasn't been decided yet, and for that I'm sure supercross. Happy no offense to you. But you know he's had a great great run. You know what I mean like you and I both said. I think if it wouldn't have been. I don't know this this pandemic Kinda through everything in a tailspin because I think Cooper et web. He's been the hottest writer this second half of the year. I guess you know as we've come back and. I don't know he's just. He's writing very very well, so it would have been interesting to see what could and will have happened. It with a full season there. You know with this momentum, but we'll see it next year, but Cooper web definitely on my list number two, which leads us to number one Chris I. Think I know who you yours is. You probably have no idea who minus though. Oh, you're going off the board with a number one again. Yeah, no I. I. Am going to homestead. I am going to Denny Hamlin for my number. One like you said. You know basically dominated that homestead raise the believe the first driver this year to win the first two stages of Cup race, and then go home with the victory, which is always kind of an interesting stat to see you know stage winners, an race winners and how they align, but you know also a shout out to any obviously this Over the past few months, there's kind of been this rivalry that's been coming up with Corey La-. Joy and I don't know that I can really take sides on it, but I will say that there's one driver who's been backing it up with race victories in both the real and the digital world in there's one driver who hasn't and the driver who asked is the one who's number one of my list. That's I think that's all I can really say about that, but. You know I I'm sure that our listeners can kind of read between the lines on my feelings about how that's all gone down. Yeah, well, we're running out of time. We got about forty five seconds last. I will get to my number one my number one this week. this one I just had a tip. Cap, Dale Jr. going into the Nascar Hall of fame and the reason why is not necessarily for his performance, but what? He's done for motor sports in general just the way he accepted this honor so humbling i. mean this guy you. You WanNa. Talk about you know big shoes to fill with his dad Dale earnhardt senior. You know he may not have the winds, and the accomplishments senior had, but I gotTA. Tell you he is a class act in eastern on just as much if not more for the sport and ask it is dad. Did you know behind the scenes in as an ambassador? So for those reasons you know being that you know, he's just such a graceful guy done it so much for the sport, and he's so humble Dale Jr., number one on my list. Amen, to that man can I revised now can I can I give the honorary number one to down the hell? Are At crystal. We're up against the time break buddy. We are going to take a short commercial break. 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T stone I know you're going out to e, Rx. We got planned for Crandon. I feel like the world is slowly being put back together. yeah, no. It is a few weeks ago. I'm sure if you follow me or see anything that I do on Social Media I just started a new hosting job with haggerty media, so many people know how dirty as an insurance company, but there are trying to. Push a little bit and go out and be like a daily news type of a thing called Haggerty's daily driver I'm one of the hosts. We have a few other host as well, but we did our launch week last week. so they're actually in week two right now. the whole show being put up, so that's pretty cool because I'm able to not only talk about things that I enjoy obviously automotive But also off road there kinda wanting to get more into that and so I'm pretty excited about that and yeah. What to TV twenty showcased today the we had to do some stuff outside and it's Kinda weird because it's I. Don't WanNa say the new norm. I'm really I. DOn't Know Jim I. Don't know if anybody else is out there, but I'm really tired of the catchphrase, the new norm the norm. This is just like we adapt, and this is kind of what happens. I particularly don't like wearing a mask, but obviously I do it to protect not only other people but myself so we'll see what happens in in goes there, but yeah. I'm okay with it. Well. You know it's funny. You mentioned the new norm and things like that, but I've actually been very i. like to observe kind of what people are doing general and things like that and you know there's a lot of people that are way paranoid, and then there's the other people are like l.. There's nothing going on. This is all a sham and I lay somewhere Kinda in the middle, but it's interesting. The other day walked in and and it's funny because you know walk in and and some of the fancy restaurants. They actually have booze marked off. You know, but some of the smaller coffee shops stuff like that they don't you know it's just open? Open seating, you know so you walk in and I was looking and I. It was funny because people have socially distanced themselves just out of habit now like every other seat was taken, every other booth was taken like people were talking with each other, but they were staying five six feet away i. it was just interesting because it's now. It's just become a part of life like you don't shake hands. It's okay to say hey to somebody and not go up and shake their hand like I don't know. Take to me. It's been interesting to see this kind of organic shift, and it's just become acceptable now you know and it's just the way things are. No and I completely agree one thing that I. Wish that we do do take I, wish that we could take a part of the Japanese culture where they bound to show respect you know. Maybe we should just start bowing to people to show a sign of respect, and a hello and greet I think that would be Kinda cool, but I completely agree with you. The the big thing is is i. I haven't spoke much about it. I'm getting a little bit more, but I'm I'm the same way with you kinda stayed in between. I'm sorry you know. Don't take this in the mean way anybody, but you're kind of ignorant. If you don't think that this could possibly happen, obviously, there's facts out there. Yes, the CDC construed some of the number things. Obviously certain testing centers weren't giving certain numbers, you know. Know at the beginning of all of this the CDC said we were way above where we actually worked, but like you were saying stay in the middle. Be Aware of what's going on, but make your own conscious decisions. You know it's not a law that you have to wear a Mac. It's you know a recommendation for people and I just think you know we've gotten to the point now where we shame. For everything. Shame you. If you're wearing a mask, we shane you if you don't wear masks, we're shame you. If you cost accidentally or me, I have allergies I have allergies every spring now I'm afraid to sneeze or cough because people might look at me differently, and I'm like dude. It's just allergies. That is funny because it's like Gosh the coughing thing in public I'm like so conscious of it. I'm like I. Do you WanNa have a little slight cough? Because all of a sudden somebody's GonNa take a walking. Zombie infected and bring the plague bringer something like holy crap. No. I'm completely completely on board with you their. Stock about something fun though tiff. You're going to e X. here in a couple of weeks and we had some you. Even public knowledge, it's not like it's some big secret, but we I think you are stoked. It's funny because. We're GONNA have this volleyball tournament at Crandon of some sorts, and I think it's GonNa be like vision wheel, people versus Kiki kincaid locals or something like that and so like. Visual embassador, you obviously are very good at volleyball. You're on the team. Todd plays. I've played in the past Chapman. She's going to be on the team. She's played in high school so like I'm you know I'm kind of excited about this tiff volleyball at Crandon. Like let's do this. Honestly. Jim I am sell excited about this Yeah! Todd had called me a few days ago. Hate he does. You WanNA play volleyball. Is that a dumb question? so for anybody knows I played volleyball in high. School College I still play with my friends and I'm so excited for this, but. I have to warn you. Jim Very competitive. When it comes to volleyball, you might see a different side of me and I- legit will not play any beer leak at all. Because everybody just wants to have fun and I'm like. No, you need to win like if you WANNA. See additive side of me. Come out so that volleyball game and Cranny, and you will see how crazy I get because I hate to. I hate moving. But I'm looking at this going. This is crandon. Keeping Kincaid playing in the guy and I'm. Going man I I don't know you might be wishing for a lot to say that they're more. There will be no alcohol involved. Just say definitely since. We're going to have to see I mean I think everybody is going to be dead serious about this thing, but yeah I don't know honestly at the end of it. All Jim we will be the winners and Kiki Kincaid will not, but don't tell him I said that yet. We need to know what you team captain I'm saying. We're GONNA. Put the on your shirt. You're captain, you you you need. I'm looking at this lineup going. Yeah, YOU'RE GONNA have a lot of wrangling, do you? I think we need to make you captain. You can keep on shape. You'RE GONNA have us like running in the morning. Push ups beforehand, right. Yes I told Todd as long as we get team Dejan wheel shirts, and I said, can we get shirts and each of us can put our logos on there, so my logo vision wheel your logo meals logo. Bunch of different ones will put it on there. I'll be team captain. We should have numbers to I'd like to be number one. Number One. Yeah well, no joke in high school. I was number one I was the captain I. Just I don't know I. Just like to relive the Glory Years Crandon. I know I know do I. Wear my do I wear my volleyball like shorts and my tall socks, or is this it stand right I don't quite know. I would assume that sand, but I mike. Where are we going? Where are they? GonNa have Santa where where would there be a sandpit grant and like we're going? Do it in town somewhere like I truly. I don't know good question. I think we're getting at group therapy Oh. Are We oh perfect? There's going to be alcohol involved as a group therapy. TIFF I'm sorry that ideas out the window. Well and then then we need to get pink hats for sleeveless Sunday so then Keegan won't be able to pull them either, so we're all set there I will say I had A. I had one of these like seventy dollars Polo shirts on last year. At. Crandon I mean one of the Nice ones attract gives you. These are those golf shirts that are what moisture wyking and everything else like literally a you could pull that and pull that and pull that and you couldn't get the sleeves off like to save Your Life Keegan walks up. He goes Jimmy. You have sleeves on. He grabs his shirt and he pulls, and he goes. Oh Man, this stuff is tough. It looks at it, and then He. He pulled again and he's like man. He's like I'm going to get this. And he literally like he manned this these sleeves often I looked at him and I went holy crap. Dude like seriously. There's the world's strongest man competition, and then there's Keegan Kincaid and I swear, you could put him up against four, and he's GonNa. Kick is but like Keegan I was impressed. That dude who man it's legal Sundays takes a serious. Let me tell you. Well, you gotta think about how in shake you really have to be able to drive a pro for approach to you know and Keegan. Doing that he's taken after the foot stuff, 'cause his Dad Jeff. Kincaid and you know he's Got Cayden? Eight now and the twins, so he's like you know. He's got a house full of boys who got trucks and Keegan's pretty strong plus I know. He can punch that like punching machines the punching back. To. Gear number when I walked up, walked up with my person, my right hand and I hit it with my left hand, and still hit harder than most of those guys. They were so drunk. They were lucky just to get the bag. Oh! By the way those of you just tuning in, we're telling crane in story. Somehow he got on crandon stories, but Between now Cran and obviously we've got a our ex coming up. In what else is happening with? You obviously know you got the TV showcase. You've got a bunch other stuff going on. You've been doing some stuff with jeep. What I know ar as kind of they've kind of pushed everything back to the end of the year correct. Also author right now. We're supposed to do southern Ohio for rally I. Think that they're doing non spectators. No you know final party, no, after party a warrant ceremony. They're trying to really keep everything together, so I think that Ojibway is in August the week. Right before the weekend right before Crandon Labor Day, and they're still trying to today show with the iconic stages, and how you know the volunteers and everybody out there so jim should be a good one. You know I think July is kind of like a teeter. Totter for a lot of companies like. Like do we do, do we not? You know heading into August September? I, think that's where everything's going to be. And that's where we've talked about before. How everything's just GonNa be jam packed jam packed pat so as of right now. I know I'm all supposed to go to the smoking in cheap invasion as well with vision. We also, we should be doing that in August, and then just pretty much starting the rest of the year. It's so weird to think that we're already almost to July fourth. You know like we're already halfway through the year. In a blink of an eye and then when all this started, in March, we're like how long is this? Yeah it's Yeah, it's kind of weird and I'm looking at it. I'm already looking at twenty twenty one going man. We're like halfway through like starting at twenty twenty one plans like Oh. This has been probably one of the most bizarre years in world history globally like most countries can say. We had a weird year now. The entire world has a weird year right now. It's just like yeah. I have no idea what's going on all's. I know it's I am. AM looking forward to getting back to a little bit some kind of normal here and a tiff. Always Fun, but we're up against time break in. 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It's really trying to make up for lost time that we've been sitting around, so thanks get back on track doing very safeway a very successful for Nascar's a sport and. You know have to be a part of that and This week is a little bit more calm. Rolling into Talladega. We actually have a normal week. Were you to racing on Wednesdays in two weeks so now we have just one this week, so it's been a little bit nice to catch up a little bit and breed her second as we prepare for the right. Yeah, you know I was actually talking with Chad Rita week or so ago and supercross kind of going through the same thing. Nascar was where it's too week, and he said you know the biggest thing. Is it kind of throws my whole schedule out of whack? This routine during race week. You know what you do and things like that. You fight that a little bit because you routine that you've had for the last decade during the Nascar Season Kinda out the window these two week things. Yeah. You haven't routine of you. Know Monday was debrief and. Tuesday was a prep day along with. Kinda, doing some your personal stuff and getting that right, and when they was another day, and you travel, Thursday now it's you know you re Sunday and Monday. You're getting ready to go and Tuesday your. You know your getting ready again and Wednesday you race, and then you do that again before you get the Sunday and it's just. It's. It's funny. How quick you get used to the new normal, though you know is the first three weeks of it felt very odd and and untouchable and It's funny how? People we were able to just kind of adjust to what feels. Normal to us, saying it's going to be weird having a full weekend in practice the most. We haven't practiced since the. State of racing. I know. I kinda WanNa talk a little bit more about the scheduling, but you know talking about practice another big one. Talladega coming up this weekend. There's some massive changes happening. I know with the cars in regards to horsepower. They're trying to slow. You guys about a second a lap. I know they've adjusted the ducks trying to get rid of some tandem draft I mean. Addy feel going into Talladega. The fact that there isn't any practice, and there's these big chains, and you haven't really been buying the wheel of the car with these changes in. It's kind of. It's kind of the show up and race things again, and there's a lot knowns now. Yeah Definitely A. Tough because. You look at it and say okay well. Our cars are gonNA. Go slower right 'cause if they're customers car away, but it took his Jag ducks out, so we have less drag, but we have more downforce as well. It goes with that and you're trying to acquaint all this into what set up. Should we put in this car You know you're trying to figure out what what's IT GONNA drive like, do you? kimmy afford to trim the car out more for straightaway speed and not have as much handling. or or does the slower speed, a lot of cars to be closer in the pack and you Kinda want your car to be more robust and able to you know, absorb pushes and stuff, and and not get sideways There's a lot of questions that we've been trying to answer. Already for the last few weeks of what is going to be like in The the one good thing about not having practiced, nobody has practice. It's an equal playing field for everybody and we'll all figure it out together. We've been able to do this for. Seven or eight races already I'm sure we'll figure it out again. And then everything's GonNa be okay, but definitely probably more unknowns this weekend there has been in the last few. Well in in something like you guys have had for these last seven races where it hasn't been a show up and race. Is this one of these. Obviously, you guys. Have you know a team there with penske? Where you've got a lot of data, a lot of history things like that I mean. Is this one of those where you rely on a lot on that? You're relying on your teammates. All in effort by everybody, just because there is that lack of eighty to ease into the NASCAR weekend, not not to say you ever ease in, but. The. Gas On on the floor. Right from the get go right. Yeah isn't that's that's where it's tough because you know, we made some pretty big changes. The team penske over the offseason with The crew chief swaps you know from from all three teams at Penske, so there's been some you know just kind of get to know each other. And what do we need to have and without practice? That makes it a lot tougher, so you know we're. We're just lean on everything we can. Which is past history? Notes simulation. Simulation data and teammates, and where they're at whether you know what they're doing so It's forced to look at things in a different way, which is good You know that's that's been fun, but you know it's obviously been kind of grueling. Saint is you're constantly communications about that you know. The amount of effort at the teams have to go through to get cars prepared for for many races. is is very strenuous on the race team at the shop. And then as a driver, you know they hang. Your body recovers some. You know a a race where you've lost. Six seven pounds you know body weight from from water, and then you need. Eight. Days later That's been a challenge. I think for all the drivers to figure that out. I think that's an interesting point, too and I hadn't really thought about that, but you not only you know. Just you know you everything has shifted. Different, scheduling and things like that, but I didn't even realize from the fitness standpoint I. Guess you know the guys that have really put in the work in the gym, and and you know in our on a nutrition program and a gym program and things like that. I think there's been a lot of unexpected. Coming back I feel like guys like you yourself. You know that's been definitely a big benefit. You know with the guys with a high fitness level. Yeah. We've been I yeah. That's definitely scorching and. When you stop racing you can kind of go to differ ways with it for everybody. You can either go and the of it's a vacation and you know you you sit around, and and and chill out, or you take it as an opportunity to better yourself and be ready for when the gates opened up again, and and your wide open and you can tell within our sport you can watch at the end of the racist and you could tell which drivers. took the time to better themselves and be ready for when we're going back race in this aggressively in the heat of the summer, and you could tell which one sip the time to relax, and and you can really tell at the end of these races you know you know last laps or even. Whenever gets out of the cards you see him on over. It's It's something that you think of for sure that you know. How important to fitnesses to our sport as race car driver, so it's challenged a lot to it, but it's Yeah, part of the GIG which Oh your eighth team. Well. How how weird is it because you guys kind of finish up late fall and early winter with the NASCAR season wind down things like that, and then you get a couple of months off over the holidays and you Kinda January. You guys kind of start getting back into the groove of things and things like that obviously Daytona hits you know, and then all of a sudden we have a handful of races, and then it's like we've got this whole other off-season. Unlike the one over the winter, nobody was actually even allowed in the shops there. How how hard is this for the entire team? Not only you, but everybody just to get back in the GROOVE, because I mean it was you know. Hey, you're banned from the shop. That never happens. You know even over the holidays. Guys are loud in the shop. Yeah, it's it's weird. I'm telling you this. It's the very interesting thing and You just shut down. We just Gary. Gallon, we ran three or four races, and and get shut down. You can't even work on your cars and you know you're just trying to keep the team. Environment and everyone fired up for when we get back going so video calls have been candidate name of the game. I've never thought I use my Home Office as much ever music person that was left to go to work and now I, Live in my little. Home Office most of the day trying to get things going even even now the team. Penske doesn't want me to show up and go into the shop. They don't want Drivers getting sick so just very very interesting now, but like I said you get used to it. You'll find your new normal. You figure out how to do it and you find ways to be successful and you anytime. There's a crisis like this. There's an opportunity to be better than the next person and I think with an attitude like that. You can take advantage of of what's here. Yeah. Well I know you know. We can go back talking race in a minute. Cool things can happen during this whole period i. do want to mention something. Give us the lowdown on Panini America the new cards. You guys have I mean this is pretty exciting. Opportunity I mean. Tell us a little bit about what you got going on with him. Yeah I've been able to partner up a penny again here last year, and it's been a lot of fun just working with them and you know seeing you know the trading cards that to come out with you know as you know as a kid growing up as a race fan, I collected you know trading cards all the time and and now my my son, being a two and a half, and he could tell he's. He's starting to get into it. He's got a hot wheels. And now he's starting to like trading cards and certain to figure out who all the drivers are. He's learning about. You know who's who and all that it's kind of fun to watch and it brings back a lot of members as you get older, you start to kind of you know. Terrorist, says those moments and and seeing how many fans that send these trading cards. Over and over again to me during these quarantine times you know and being able to sign them and send them back or You used to when we when we were actually able to see everybody. I signed a lot of them in person and Yeah I. Guess That's a lot of fun to kind of see how you know. This whole industry is continued to gain momentum, and you know as a an athlete someone that's on it. I see huge value and which is a lot of fun for us as a sport and but race Dan I still get excited to see these hired than all the little details and how they put, sometimes they put their. You know part of a race tutor tire You know something that's Kinda unique. Which is Kinda neat when you're you know, send a box of men for me to sign, and there are numbered, and you know this is the twenty second one, or this is the first one and you know I can't imagine as collector that's that's really neat to have so You know then you can, you can get them. You Know Your Wal Mart your target. Anthony America dot net is the place to get these. These and so it's easy to access and a lot of fun to open the package which get yeah, well. That'd been said you mentioned your son. I I I got to put you on the spot here because I know. My Dad was a race car driver, and he used to have all kinds of stuff, and and I had my favorites. Aside from my dad's your son have he got a favorite aside from you? Well? He might be persuaded by me if you had to. I tell them seen. penske is is the way to go so. He I gotTa Watch my say sometimes, too, because if I go home and I'm not happy with one driver I've seen other kids. Go to the racetrack and say things to me. And I thought I know really got that from. You gotTA. Be careful what you say, because they go back to the racetrack. They might take something of your competitor. You might not one the ear. Had to be careful. I met but I right now. Once these boat he knows the most is at least my car's and Brad Keselowski As you know we, we know them and see them around. So you kind of I, think right now. He thinks every. Race are I. Think he of has that like? He's not bubble world right now. All right I guess that's definitely. One of the few kids. Can kind of feel that I. Want you to I mean one thing. I've always liked about you. You're a car guy, man. Tell us a little bit of Karratha because you've started this and now you got a few episodes in the bank now I really. Liked it because you all over the board rat Raj motorcycles I mean tell us a little bit about this. Because I know you down to your core. You are a car guy man. GonNa car guy since I was a kid that's got me into the sport first place and just absolutely loved, you know. Cars stories behind them more than anything by my favorite, and so we had this idea of doing the car. Agassi, know biography about your car and you know I started off by doing some of Mike. Election as we'll continue, and then you know I love hearing stories about other people's cars, and you go to a classic car show or any kind of car show and the owner of the car sitting next to it You know always kind of fun to hear the story whether it was her dad's or occur, they found back. From when had their kid or you know they restored it, and there's always something unique about it and no matter what the car is. You know and I guess to me. That's fun. I love talking to people about that and I thought it would be cool to highlight some really neat stories, so we've had people some it You know some of their rides in and said we. We can talk to them about their cars, and then also kind of do some fun things with some of the weird stuff that I got as well so It's been fun and and I got so much passion for you have a car world automotive and You know it's authentic to who I am so I thought it was a good way of you know trying to. kind of show everybody what you know different stories about cars and what I'm into and and get into the car with a little bit, so it's been it's been a fun experience with been all these on my social channels and It's been fun I spent a ton of fun. Joey thinks coming on the show, but we gotta take a short commercial break. We come back. We're wrapping up the show right here on the general tire down and dirty radio show powered by Polaris Razor. Want extreme performance reliability and the most fun you can have on four wheels the Polaris. Razor brings it to you, but you don't need to take my word for it. You can take. There's I'm tanner faust tonight. 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Lacombe: More and More Afraid

Bardstown

34:56 min | 4 months ago

Lacombe: More and More Afraid

"Support for this podcast comes from paypal. Small business owner pay pal. Qr codes safe and easy payment option. It's all the security pay pal is known for online in person cash. Only qr codes. Allow you to accept credit or debit with everyday. Low fees no additional hardware or software needed. Use the app to generate your unique. Qr code customer scan your code with their pay pal app to pay you learn more at paypal dot com slash. Us slash get qr code. This podcast is intended for mature audiences. Only this is of all studios production on july fourteenth. Twenty seventeen net crendall was found dead inside a burned out. House was packed with video surveillance. Multiple camera systems set up to monitor activity all around the property and even a locked gate at the driveway. Entrance with cameras pointed at anyone trying to get inside. Could any of these cameras have captured someone on the critical property that day. Someone who wasn't supposed to be there wasn't enough annoyed. No absolutely not for wwl tv and bulb studios. I'm katie moore. This is beyond bardstown lacomb. It turns out the fire on july afternoon damage. The dvr used to capture surveillance within the crunchers property and it was no accident. The dvr had been doused with accelerate as for the other set of cameras on the frontal front gate. Steve colonel said they were connected to the internet with a device called a my fi but he also said those cameras frequently stopped working. He said that the day before net died the cameras The had stopped working. That was kind of a common occurrence out there in the rural part of where they lived. Mrs sarah pagodas a reporter for the times. Picayune new orleans advocate. We worked on a lot of investigations together including the criminal case and crowded coffeeshop. Sarah an i trade information what we know and what we don't know sarah says the video of the front gate wasn't working that day and the net had even asked steve to fix it leading up to the fire. She wanted them to Rebuild it he got home late from a parish council meeting thursday night where there was some discussion about consolidating fire departments. All fire chiefs were there. It was pretty hot meetings. They will sell an angry about the idea. Apparently steve got home late from the meeting. And didn't stop to reboot the internet before heading to bed. That was the night before the fire. All those cameras all that surveillance and potentially not a shred of video evidence the great irony here is the reason the rentals had camera. Setup was to help ninette feel safe. It was no secret that she had an uneasy relationship. With some of steve's family members. Like steve son her stepson justin. Who was living in another state the day of the fire. She tried but over the years. Things had just gotten worse and march. Two thousand sixteen net emailed her father. Dan watson her feelings about justin quote. Justin is spiraling. He's another one. I feel better knowing where he is. And then there was brian. Steve's brother nets distrust stretched back years years of brian. crendall getting into trouble with the law. Years of dinette. Telling her dad her sisters and even her friend lori rando about her fear of brian in march twenty seventeen a few months before she died ninette texted her sister. Kim watson quote. He threatened to set the house on. Fire rape me. Kill us a month later in april. She emailed her dad about visiting. Her mother in law's home or brian was living quote. Stephen i had a long talk. And i said i felt we were being placed in danger. Every time we go there and the criminals he hangs out with our plane dangerous and there is no way to know what they're capable of. But i based my decisions on facts and history of them and of bryan on may fifteenth twenty seventeen just two months before the fire ninette emailed her dad again quote. Steve is in a hard place. And i get it but ignoring the facts. Do not change. Them and brian is capable of anything and the nets. Fear lead steve crendall to install the cameras by guns and turn the house into a zone of safety where ninette could feel walled off from any perceived outside threats real or not net clearly felt like her life was in danger and she was holding herself up on that house like a fortress. I don't think that's an unfair assessment. I don't think so either. And i don't think anybody who's familiar with the situation. We disagree with now. Steve seem to someone backpedaling on that he's he has acknowledged that she was afraid. He's also said that he kind of found it easier to go along with her fears and put things into make her feel safe and argue about it. He also struck me as someone who is very much caught between a mom and a wife in dealing with their his how he was handling his brother but with her guns net felt safe at home. Her sister kim watson she. She practiced target shooting and so she felt comfortable. She felt like you know. I got this. I can protect myself. You guys don't don't have to don't be afraid for me. I'm i'm fine but on occasion. Even in the months leading up to her death strange things would happen at the frontal home at least according to ned. She's screen chatted the security camera. Pictures and steve illness. It was a neighbor. So it's just a just a guy in a red shirt and she said it just startled there because you know chef it to the gate and then open it before she could go in. Went out to get the mail outside of the gate and he startled alert because he he just appeared out nowhere and she said when she went in the gate he was kind of like trying to look in. And she's like what the heck is this guy doing but it turns out it was a neighbor. That's what steve said. I have no idea who we was. She said there was one day when cops came screaming down up tour gate and she has a picture that too she screenshot sent of cop cars out there and then they just drew up okay. It was happening outside my house. I chose wanted to know should never did find out what was happening that day. Then that's father. Dan watson recall similar stories. She told him over the years there were times she would drive to walmart and on the way back. She was being followed by a red or maroon vehicle. There was two sheriff's deputies vehicles that went basically racing up to their driveway in a slammed on the brakes and stopped scared her but they never said what they were doing there. Steven carr said he'd find out and never did and that's close friend lori. Rando says the years her gun collection grew along with her fear. I know ninette had gotten to a point And this was you know years before. Her death She had gotten to a point where anytime she went anywhere in her car. She had one in her car and then it went from having one in her car having one in her purse and her car and then it went from having one in her purse and her car and then in the nightstand so I think she knew things that were going on. That she was not necessarily letting me or possibly other loved ones know exactly what was going on in her life but it had to have been getting bad if she felt the need to be able to have a gun no matter where she was but the springfield in her purse. Didn't keep net from telling laurie. Rando about steve's brother. Brian an over the years. Laurie heard a lot about brian crandall. And how overtime the nets distrust transformed into something darker more treacherous. She was very uncomfortable. with brian she was definitely not his fan She didn't want him around the house. She didn't even want to go to lunch or any kind of outings with his family With him because she was extremely uncomfortable he had made threats. Chew both her. And steve on different things that he would do to them because of different events that had happened They had been called out one night. Because brian's truck had gotten stuck in a ditch and he needed help getting it out and he couldn't afford to get arrested and so he was hoping that steve would be able to pull his car out of the ditch and not have any. You know anybody involved but unfortunately either police were called or police happen to be driving by and so he did get arrested and he did blame. Ninette and steve for his getting arrested and held a grudge towards them. How she told me that He had been Threatening both her and steve She would get letters from him threatening her. I can't remember the amount of time that he spend in jail. But at some point he was Getting early released and She had called the prison where he was located and asked them pleaded with them not to let him out of jail That she was she was scared of him. And what he might do to her and her family Sh- he had to wear an ankle monitor. That ninette was under. The impression was a head arrange that if he were to get within so many feet of the house that it would go off and police would be alerted and he would be picked up and unfortunately the perception was false. That was not what the ankle monitor actually was doing. In fact the monitor was an alcohol sensing ankle bracelet. Steve colonel later recorded a conversation with brian probation officer in which the officer admits the. Gps tracking function was never turned on until the day she died. She thought that that ankle monitor was monitored through the police department and if it came within a thousand feet of her house that it would go off. Did she tell you what mentioning. I was told that he was going to to rape her and to burn. Burn their house down. And that's all do that it. Yes yes in an in an e mail not directly okay. So she told you she you about that as well as other members of family correct correct and what obviously what did you think about that. You know i was. I was scared for her. Obviously i would hope knowing steve that he would you know. Wanna protect his wife even if it was his brother as comfortable as uncomfortable as brian made her feel. You know. I was hoping that steve would step up and do everything he could to make sure that their paths didn't cross. He did put some extra security around the house. He put extra cameras up so like a lock wasn't even enough. There was a board that slid down to lock the back door as well as a normal Lock so they did this thing plus you know. She thought that she had the protection of the of the ankle monitor but she didn't. We've all got goals. be healthy. 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That applies to their full range of customize hair skin and body products go to function of beauty dot com slash vault to let them know that we sent you and to get twenty percent off your first order function of beauty dot com slash vault like other friends and family. Who would confide in. Laurie says brian was the main source of her fear but her stepson just in was a close second. You know when. I first got back when we first got back into each other's lives I had gone out to the property and Spent a day with her. And steve and justin and it really was a great day We gone four wheeling around the property They had a A creek that goes in the back of the property and they had bottle setup where They took me and we did some target practice on the the bottles. Because i never touched a gun in my life and They were making fun of me. Because i would take these shotguns and put it on my shoulder and it would completely kick me backwards. And they just thought that was the funniest thing and You know we just had a really really great day. It was a really wonderful day. You know what everybody's everybody seemed to get along. You know seemed like you know we were having a great time Fast forward a couple of years and justin got a little bit older and she fell got. You know a little bit more irresponsible. As far as you know didn't take school very seriously He joined the military. He didn't really take that very seriously. and just got more and more uncomfortable with him being around especially steve wasn't she didn't like the fact that he had guns and didn't want him to be around the house especially of steve was not there know in. Casey did have a gun on him so she did tell me Towards the end that he was not allowed at the house in see was there with her paranoid. No absolutely not net was extremely Level-headed she was extremely extremely smart She she could read people well. She knew if somebody was genuine within the first few minutes of meeting them and She spent a lot of time with justin. And i know she is a good person to be able to re character and the more she would tell me about him. I would become uncomfortable for her. Just not wanting her to be alone with him she didn't like how he treated animals. And that's a big thing with ninette. Don't mess with animals hers or anybody else's And so it was just things like that. That made her uncomfortable and didn't want her didn't wanna be alone with him. Net sister kim watson and her boyfriend randy also heard about nets fear and brian's alleged threats over the years. The stress was clearly having an impact on her marriage. What she told me if he doesn't hurt protecting me from brian and his family that i'm kicking out. She said divorced dad and what he asked her will. What is it you want. I want someone who's going to protect. And i don't know why it seems like all the emails that we've gave that were hers. Gave them to law enforcement it. Just it just feels like no one's freedom or they're just blowing around as crazy and she. I wish wasn't she was afraid. So when you talk to you got that definite impression that it wasn't. She's a things are coming to head. It's if it stays crazy you know. I may come up and visit because i said hey come up here and visit bring your pets come up here and stay with us till till it save did you. I mean something. That struck me when i was at the time. Line is the fact that she was talking about feeling. Threatened from brian stimulate. Two thousand eleven. That's six years before. And i don't know when is it for five years. Yeah he sat in front of a funeral. And i'm like you. Because i didn't know a lot about never met steve. Call them the idiot. So anything steve said was not contrary to what an told us about him. So i'm looking at him and the ankle monitor. He's wearing and his complete lack of interest that even being at a funeral like he was just bored. I thought i could talk to him. Have you talked to no. We're not i. No one knows where to find who bryan bryan over. The years and annette's dad. Dan watson in iowa heard as much as anyone about her fear and anxiety regular emails and texts and phone calls from net told story after story about the ongoing tension. With steve's brother. Brian and their mom. Maureen all changed when brian got out of prison for the worse much worse. Justin moved away to virginia with military and then bryan was out of prison in. That's where when he made those comments about raping shooting burning her. Steve went out and bought several guns and they began practicing regularly. he input in the cameras new cameras. He installed new locks. He put in cameras. Ask steve put in cameras at his parents house Because he believed. Their safety was in jeopardy with brian. Living there marine. Wanted brian home. Herman steve's father did not but his physical condition was very poor and marine just overrode him self in january of two thousand seventeen. Herman passed away. And i had been told you know that. Brian and steve got into a fistfight in hospital over something. I don't recall what it was anymore. But steve had gotten a cut in the fight. And i don't know it would. Just it was just like evaporated after that is what happens and it seemed like there was any repercussions for anybody. Dan tells me another story about brian at his father's funeral in early twenty seventeen just six months before an died man went up during herman's funeral in and read some some things about herman that were very positive and she told steve. She did not want brian anywhere near her. Brian came up to the area. The podium word nan was man was frightened and angry. Steve did not do anything. And prior to herman's death he told the nat. Stay away from brian. He's dangerous and she told steve and of course again that nothing seemed to be done about it but they both did a lot of her practice after that. Dan says things could get heated when the net and steve went to visit steve's mother. Brian was usually. They're remember on one of the last visits nan. Nan made with steve timorese tactic. It was last visit. Bryant went up to her and said oh you know what happens to jaybird. Just we talk too much and then get killed. Nan was so stressed by it. Because steve had left to go eat with some other people so he left her alone which she had asked him that to do and harley was with her harley urinated honored in response to her stress she said and marine was continually trying to get nan to give harley to brian so a pet him and and didn't trust brian hat all and she refused. And so when steve got back she told him. Take me home. I'm not going back there again. You can visit your mom all you want or we can go to a neutral site at a restaurant. 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As a listener you'll get ten percent off your first month by visiting our sponsor at better help dot com slash bardstown join over one million people who've taken charge of their mental health again. That's better help. H. e. l. p. dot com slash town. Dan says things were ramped up after that. Visit with ninette. Refusing to visit. Steve's mother again when brian was anywhere nearby and dan said she should just get out of lacomb to come visit him in iowa but a net would just tell him what he'd heard numerous times before. Slow as i have my guns and the cameras and i'm at home. I'm safe and she would say that it's like why don't you just come up for a little visit. It was only later. I began to realize how much influence steve had over her schedule. And then a few weeks before the fire as tension seem to be mounting almost daily. Dan says his daughter told him something new. This time about steve. We were talking and she said steve wan to go camping and she told him no she said i don't trust him anymore. She said i will not get in a car with him. Well did she say why. Specifically now well the overriding theme was he will not protect me. She wanted to be with somebody who would protector for some reason steve was not doing. He was leaving her like with brian. At his mother's he just wasn't helping her out emotionally or physically through this difficult time which ended up with her saying she wouldn't go anywhere with him but she still continued to say. I have my gun home. I have the cameras and home and safe. Dan says net told him the friday before the fire that she planned to have a long talk with steve to try to figure out what to do. Next we were. You know kind of hope for that. He would listen to her. She seemed pretty optimistic. But that's she always seen that way. And then i didn't hear from her again in this in the monday game and she didn't call. I kept thinking should call her. And i thought well maybe her and steve ted reach some kind of agreement with their marriage and so forth because she had she was going to kick him out. If he didn't she didn't say she was leaving him. She always said she was kicking him out but ninette never got a chance to do that one week after telling her dad she was can have that talk with her husband. Steve nanak rentals remains were removed from the burning embers of her. Look home louisiana. Back in the coffee shop with my friend. Newspaper reporter sara pagonis. We talk about brian. rental and annette's sphere. What do you think about the threats. I don't know that. I have ever seen the emails that were sent to the net from brian. I didn't she didn't get an email from him. She got to birthday cards right and then just through conversations. She felt threatened to. That's true the birthday cards. The little at least the one that told us about that was to him expressed anger and he said that that ryan blamed the of them for him. Being put back back in jail. I think for probation violation. So he was. He blamed them for his being incarcerated. I read to sarah some of the messages that ninette sent to family members over the years both of us trying to get a handle on the nets frame of mind. And how steve's brother. Brian's seemed to overshadow the final years of her life so. This is one of the text messages that kim received from nenet. She says i've had enough. He physically hit an officer while driving drunk and has a reputation so if calls go out multiple units respond. I told his mom he's gonna hurt someone innocent and that's on you. She told me. I was acting like a mother. Theresa and family is family. I said i've made plenty of mistakes. But none like that. She said his parole officer is mean to him. I told her they're used to the manipulating lying behavior. And that she said he wants to get a room for a night with a girl. I said you mean a prostitute on touch. He's living with his mom. No jobs steals from churches. Anybody can looks awful. Smells awful and she said i was crazy. I said i hope. I will never change my mind on this now. We just wait and hopefully catch him or he. Od's sounds harsh but it's not going to end well but i'm staying staying alert so so. She's like expecting him to have some big problem. Either telling somebody she doesn't come out and say it in that email when she says she's staying alert coyly she feels like she's under threat from him right and that other people should be too so six months before this happened. Steve's jab died it's right and six months to the day. There was an an exchange between her and brian. The funeral other people's steve has categorized. That conversation is not threatening but ninette reached out to her family members in iowa and told them that she felt like he threatened her. Even mash was speaking at the funeral. Saying nice things about when she was eulogizing. The dad yes. She says she thinks she didn't say the f. word who's right next to me on the altar. He said he will kill us and be on the news. I was thankful. I did not say the f. word on the mike because i do if i'm startled. He just stood there. I didn't take my eyes off them but could see steve and his cousins making their way. He scared me. Because i thought he was going to kill me here and i was angry that he made made it up there and i didn't see him up to the she's really being delusional Well that is that is specific statement from the net that he brian said he was going to kill them. So that's that's in black and white right. I then share with sarah. What ninette claimed. Brian threatened to do again. These nets own words here in text to her sister kim. He threatened to set the house on fire. Rape me and kill us so there. We have the most specific and most disturbing threat as expressed by net sister kindle. Right that's the only reference to her. Shoot her burn her body. These are text messages that the family has made available to the investigators. Absolutely absolutely so. You might be wondering. Where was brian crenshaw the day of the fire. Investigators say. He has an alibi when we'll get to that. But even still since. I first heard about this case and nenet critical. I've wanted to ask brian some questions. And i've tried. Hi my name is katie. Moore and i'm a reporter with wwl tv. I'm actually trying to get hold of brian. frontal. I'm working on a story about net. And i have been pretty important questions that i would really like to kind of your thoughts on. I'm still waiting to hear back from him. see next time on beyond bardstown lacomb. He went off on people's phones. I a flip phone time. So i didn't. I didn't get it but a lot of people's spend started going off at the end of memorial. I mean how quickly do you normally find out about that. Saint tammany sometimes not until like the day later this was an entire week later beyond bardstown. Mccombs is a false studios in. Wwl tv production. You can learn more about our podcasts including the daily crime and true crime chronicles at volts studios dot com special. Thanks to wwl tv. News director keith. S for and visual journalists. Derek wall waldrip vault studios executive producers. Are brian wice and will johnson jr read. Redman is a writer and producer. Richard humphreys at tacoma media and silver spring maryland mixes and edits the show for vault studios. I'm katie moore.

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#9 - Off-Road Edition - Sara Price

The Down and Dirty Show

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

#9 - Off-Road Edition - Sara Price

"And. This is a four wheel parts down thirty show off road. Addition, powered by police razor, we're taking it back to the roots, getting dirty and covering all things off road because payment. Well, that's. It's gloves off in your face on the edge, and the way offroad should be where your definitive source for all things. Dirt. WP is more than a store or truck, and Jeep experts and have been for over fifty years from wheel and tire upgrades to pull custom built for WP has you covered. Whether you want award of the best parts online, or shop in store, do the work yourself or get it done by fro all roads, lead to poor WP. Do your rig right? Shop online, or find nor store four WP dot com. Welcome to the full parts down and dirty show. Offroad addition, powered by Polaris razor, Jim beaver here Mandy, we have one hell of an EPA guest this week. My good friend, MRs Sarah price, also full parts teammate also share sponsorship, there with impact race products as well as now super ATV has come on, on the podcast and on the national radio show and on my race programs as well as players razor set price, and she's been my co-host quite a few different times events in a very close personal friend of mine, and stoked avenue on the show. You know, I did one that was in depth on project action and interview over an hour long we've had her on the national show countless times for shorter interviews, this one, we kind of shake things up and go different direction with the interview talking about great run in Baja. But just kind of culture in general and offroad, and I don't know. It's one of those kind of went all over the place. I think he has a really gonna enjoy it. It's version of Serre price. You don't get to year very. Often so smoke to have that. Thank you guys for coming tune into the show. If you're looking for full Baja coverage best place to do that would be check out this week's national radio show. Because, you know this podcast like to long-form interviews, here on the full parts offroad edition. So you know, it's like, you know, with the results in that, like, I covered on the national show, like I don't know you guys told me on social media at Jim beaver fifteen if kind of like the redundancy of it to me, like I like to keep it fresh all my shows some different types of contents. I keep the results over there. Keep the bad ass interviews over here. That's my other shows don't have bad ass interviews. But you know what I'm saying? Anyways, yes. Check me out. Subscribe over there on itunes to down and dirty show off. You do that. You're gonna get both shows both the offer to dish in brought to you by four parts and the national show brought to you by police razor. So check me out over there on social media, and thank you guys are well, and on itunes and think is going to, like what you get. About social media's at Jim beaver fifteen on all forms of social media. Also have at down and dirty show on Instagram and at dirt daily media on Instagram got three Instagram accounts. Now what the hell am I thinking I know? Right. But yes, Baath hundred went down epic epic of it. We got full coverage over there on the national show and on the website, you have to give a shoutout to my boy, Craig Scanlon big, big win for him in pro turbo UTD forced induction, a score calls it a big victory for him. And also gonna give a shout out to my friend, Andy McMillan I we're not gonna have him on one of the shows this week because honestly, we just interviewed him a few days ago after his big Sam leap win. So we're going to give him a little bit of a break, if he keeps his streak up, I can guarantee we're going to have him on after Vegas Trina or quote unquote, the by four hundred. That's what they're calling it. I believe, so. Yeah. But anyways, fun show today with Sarah price. Thank you guys for tuning in, if you ever have any suggestions on guest BB like to hear. Please, please. Please hit me up. Let me on social media. The website down under show dot com. If you are rally fan and other semi out there that listen to my shows check it out. We did a full e magazine for the kickoff this weekend. I know it's not quote unquote off road. But kind of. So anyways, check that out over on the website. And I guess with that, man, I instead of me rambling on, I got like an hour long with Sarah price to give you guys like why am I standing here just talking about nonsense? Right. You wanna get on with the good stuff. 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Offroad addition as well as the national show that down into radio show, powered by police razor got, I guess my razor super ATV, and four will parts and impact teammates their price, kind of like that have all these, like mashups going on Sarah price. Do I know I was actually just looking at your banner and all of that? Moral parts came onboard. Like it doesn't get better than that company. And the people that read it. Well, it's funny too because it's like old home week for me like for you, because, you know, Craig went there, and then Joey de went there. Now Jason diffuses there and I'm like, man. I like all these people are phenomenal like some of my favorite people in the industry, and then they all land full of parts and, and it's kind of cool. And I know we'll talk about your relationship with them because you're even more expanded than me. They came on his title, sponsor, my podcast and then kind of socio sponsor of everything else. But. Like I feel like I them I just hit the ground running. Like we all knew each other. We knew what we do. It wasn't. You know what I mean? It wasn't like we had to feel each other out, you know, because we had that Bilton relationship, and I feel like with you, like was this kind of the same thing like you're deal was announced. Boom. You guys were often running. Yeah. No. They're often the it, I was thinking that they believed in, you know what I wanted to pursue this year, and maybe kinda wanted to get me up on my feet and they could big impact this year. And so say they gave me the tools to do that. And yeah, like I said, everyone's always mix and match and they come from everywhere in the industry, and what's Craig, it went in that direction. You know you had people as well. Kind of go and total. And, you know, even wrapped back resi Baptist is there. Slow to just good people. Yeah. Yeah. They're, they're the best people in you. You have a family, and you have a ton of great amazing people in your corner. And that's why you can really ask for when you, you get ship like that, because, you know, it's not always about business. It's also about having your race Stanley, and I know like I know what Joey de like I've already been pitching him ideas just like, hey, let's do this. I've got a new raptor. Come in. Joel build on this thing. Like, you know, hey, here's an influence or we should, you know, we should tie with them or this, and that, like he's all ears like, yes. Let's go. Let's do this. I love companies like that, that they think out of the box they can pitch. These wild hair ideas out them, and they don't think man. This guy's crazy. They're like, all right. I think we can work with this. I feel like I've got that vibe from foil parts I love working with companies like 'cause I'm always got these, like pipe-dream crazy ideas. And I honestly some people look at me and they're like, this guy's batch it. Crazy. And I can actually say this podcast. But you know what? I mean, like Joey, and Craig, they don't they're just like, yeah, we get let's, let's roll this. You know. Yeah. Every nearly no, he's, he's like the height man. He's always down for anything. Always has a crazy idea. You just called him. He wants to like a prominent when the story tomorrow, and I'm like, well, I'm gonna be paying cars all day, you know, I'm not going to really have time to get ready to resemble, well, why don't we keep eating racy like you just got stuck at the border? Okay. It's Red Eye just happened. You know, the ideas and the cool ideas become up with but you gotta appreciate people like that, who actually have the passion and drive and, and wanna try new things and do things and aren't afraid to take risks. No, I agree. You know, and it was Joey, the hype man, I've never even thought about that before. I'm like, he's like offer Don King like he's going to hype it up. He did that with UT. But no, no. I think that's like, honestly, it's a form of endearment, because we all love Joey, and no. But it's a truth. He did that with UTV's. I mean you know you look back at what he did in the beginning. Let's face it when they first came out nobody cared about TV's. I mean you know their golf carts. Nobody cared Joey made them care. You know, it was just like he was the hype man. He's like, hey we got you know, he was just he was. He just kept talking until people started listening, you know. Yeah. He's done really, well, I'm pretty Joey actually fifteen in the very beginning most of it, you know what I know he and I kinda got he was a year prior to me, kind of starting this, and, like, we kind of we've talked about it. We kinda ran parallels with the growth of UTV underground and the growth of, you know, my whatever the hell, I've got now media company, and we've talked about it a lot, you know, and it's like and we also talk about the ones that started out, and then never got off the ground. You know, and it was just like, there's just, you know, there's a sweat equity that goes into it, you know, Joey, Joey knows that here and his place, you know, and I think you're one to look at what you've done, you know, and, and, you know, transitioning from bikes to four wheels, and even with your your business. You know that you kind of mentioned, your paint business. It's sweat equity. Like you've, you've hustled, you know, you, you didn't allow yourself to fail. Sarah. Yeah, I definitely I just three invented myself every chance I get, you know, motorcross lose my childhood and dedicated my entire life to it. And then when that kind of failed, and it wasn't really a, a light at the end of the town like, oh, no. What do I do myself? And then I created my Pete business and started doing such on cars, and then it could find myself Therese died, and then once they meant to another, and then I was in the truck, and, you know, then I had my business though and then I was a trophy check with Stacey and our PM, and it's, it's really just finish crazy journey, and it's so thankful for so much, you know, and on the side of all the Racine and my paintings is also a woman in stunts last year's really picked up for me and I couldn't be more happy about that and dad crazy. I also expanded my business and I now have seven girls and also girls. Paint cars. They're all racers or in the racing industry of some sort. So it's pretty cool to share that and be able to help them kind of provide themselves with you as well. Well, you mentioned something back there, and I know like I've actually had this conversation, very recently with some people in telling my story on somebody else's show, and you talk about reinventing yourself, and I think that's, that's like a key, especially in this industry, you know. And like you, you know, especially as a professional dirt bike rider like you know, Joe lean was really fortunate. You know, the nitro circus came along, and I know you and I are both very, very close Joe. But like you, I mean it was an early had to reinvent yourself. But even talking about that, like every year to, you've reinvented yourself, not necessarily like creating only Sarah price, but, you know, you look at things you like all right? Where am I at where do I need to go what's happening in this industry? What do I need to know? You feel like you've done a good job of that. I look at myself back fifteen years and see what I've done, you know, and I think, you know. Another one's like Joey, but I think every single year were assessing the situation where we're at and where we need to go because we all know if you sit there and you doing the same thing like at some point, it's all going to dry up. You gotta consistently be met Martelli says the best, you got to evolve or die, you know. Hurt you have to reinvent any all because nothing is staying to and everything dims out. You know there's the light for a little bit. And then it's like okay, you gotta keep charging figuring out how to make this bigger and better or make in this direction to achieve this goal, and that's detected like you know, a lot of people they, you see social media, right? And nearly put the great on the but little do they feel the work behind it. You know, like people don't see on my social media, my paint business as much because I don't really throw it out there. But yeah, it's like you know, I have my racing and that's only a small percentage of my time most of the time and I'm always racing, but when I'm at home and my weekly days, and it's foam on work mode. You know, to try make the dream happen 'cause racing passion and workings, what provides me to be able to do that? I think it's smart. You've got a fallback because we all know like at some point, we all are, you know, I'm honestly living the dream as president professional racecar. I've got amazing sponsors a lot of it's tied to my media work, and things like that, but you're the same way, but you've got your fallback plan, you know, with painting and stuff that can always be there, and your Girling that, you know, and I, I see now like a lot of professional supercross. Racers and things like that. They're starting that side business, as, as their relevant, and they're trying to grow that side business. So when the checks finally stopped coming in, and supercross and motocross. You know, they've got a big fallback plan. I mean Dell junior did that NASCAR. He's got this whole huge media podcasting company that he started winning was relevant and NASCAR. And now that he's off the good NASCAR. He's got hold media company, that's making this huge amount of money for him. And I think, you know, I think that's crucial that, you know, athletes, professional athletes in action sports and racing do things like that. Because I mean, our shelf life, I hate to say it, but it seems like you know it's getting shorter and shorter. I mean you look at a kid like Seth can tear on the talent. He's got he's only sixteen and like I hate to say it, but I'm like beyond over the hill. You know what I mean? Like it's by racing standards. It's crazy. You know. Totally is in, and it's something has an athlete, you know, that will never last forever. You can't get your top for, you know, your whole life. And so you, do you have to have all back and I think that first and second is a being able to pursue what you like. And I think it makes it that much better to like being able to raise that truck now and, and know that I have my, my house paid off and I have my car payments can care of and, and whatever it's like cool, I'm here racing. And just for the fact of loving it like I'm here to do the best I could possibly do. And, you know, I wouldn't want it any other way, I wouldn't want to have to depend on racing to make my car payment or anything like that. And yeah I I'm grateful. I definitely I, I went through hard times if you're at all out, but through it all I figured it out, and I feel like I, I am an pretty level place and I'm not depending on racing for income, but I would love to get rating. That's Michael while and I think that's key. But you, you per share things so much more, because you've had to earn it you've gone through those struggles and I actually had this conversation with somebody about a month ago on this young up and coming talent. And it was somebody that came from a wealthy family, and, you know, and I think the term was, you know, he's just he's not engaged with anything that's going on, you know, and it's like he doesn't he super talented super talented driver. But he just didn't quite care. And I think it's because dad had, you know, always written a check now don't get me wrong. If my dad wanted to write seven figure checks for me to go racing. I would absolutely like bring it on dad, but. You know, it's not happening, but I think somebody like that, that hasn't, you know, really had the struggles like somebody like you and I like they're not gonna value. But I think everything you get. I know you on a personal level outside of this, and unite have had some long conversations and like value, every single thing that's given to you. Whether it's a dollar part or you know, five six figure salary, you know, Dak for sure, and you have to, you know, like these people are supporting your dream, and, and how could you not think that, you know, and all the time I like grown up in her sport of motocross and crossing over to going Mexico. Those fans are insane and they're so supportive. And that's what the coolest thing, and those people are buying products of the people that are on your truck, or on your, your vehicle, or bike, and those logos, those people are representing and they're wanting to buy from that because they're fans of you and support them, it means so much to them. And. Yourself because you helping out the whole industry and a lot of times like motocross I saw quite a bit where, you know, these big name athletes, and they recoup shoulder the fans and I'm like do. That's what you're racing right there that person's buying that product. Because you like give them the time of day, because that will very far and possibly even help you in the future. I know you and I like I've been around Travis Pastrana quite a bit. I know you know, Travis with a well and he he's the same way like he came from very humble beginnings, and he's becomes global icon. But like he's one of those guys like every single family, he will not walk away, if they're still one person wanting an autograph. And you know, like I even watched like you the, especially this week in, like I was so impressed by it, and not, not just your run that we'll talk about. But after the fact, even today, like every single person that tagged you in a post, like sharing to your stories and one, I think that's great on your part. But to I'm blown away by how many people are actually tagging you in their photo? Sarah like I race and I get tagged and photos, but not to that magnitude, like it's crazy. How many people are tagging in their stuff? L. It's nuts, like air every talking about it. There was a time employees girly on you. But when we were out there racing and I like almost wanted to like well Cup and cheers tears, 'cause we're doing well, but because every corner, we went through there was someone either, like it's kind of funny 'cause a lot of people down there, Blois kisses, and I'm like that is so cool and so crazy. 'cause they know this girl, they wouldn't be blowing kids into guy. And I just like the support is just overwhelming like and how many people are such bans in just supportive in, like they wanna see do well, and every, every place we go down in Mexico is just insane. And we're still appreciative of it. And yeah, it it's pretty. Unreal actually see my phone after race when we do, I kinda, I want to respond to each and everyone, but it's like it's overwhelming sometimes, but I'm so grateful for it. It's one of those like immediately after the race amid guy so on tech Texteira right now. And then I'm like, I'm gonna be waiting through like one hundred different text messages on like I'll just deal out all day or two. We'll see if we can get around air this week, you know. But like I mean, let's talk about the race because we haven't talked about that yet, but you were damn close at sample, EBay, Sarah and know. And I know you're damn close at this one to me, it's crazy. How a lot of people wanna know you know, we always say, how fast is somebody that moves up through UTV's, and that how quick are they actually going to be like, you know, I've been around you picked your brain on the side to get faster and things like that. But like it's crazy. How quick you've gotten obviously you've got an amazing team behind you. But man, I mean it's I think with these last two races, and how close been I think whenever you do finally cross that finish line first swear. It's gonna even mean that much more because you've been so close for two races. Now. No. This is our third second place in our second one this year. We're like, are you serious such a tease? We just don't have Lynn. But we, we've been putting her head down. And, you know, like the most random things happen in San Felipe bay. We had to pit two more times than the first person. And so that kinda put us down on time. And I think that's what this is second place. 'cause we finished, I think in four six minutes from the leader. And then in this race we finished in four minutes from the leader. And we had a four minute penalty from speed zone, which, you know, happens, and yeah, it was it's pretty nuts because that is a long race to be that close at the finish line. And we moved in the first place pretty fast. We, we took off and second third, we got to do side-by-side start in the short course we have a whole shot. So you're in second after I that mile, I would say ten or twenty. And then we're leading and got a flat race, mile seventy and we'd get out the change it, and our Jack failed on us. You couldn't get the truck list. And it wasn't taking any pressure. I could put down with my hand and so I was like, oh, no. What are we going to do? So we, we had a drive ten miles on a flat tire. We kept talking local to see if they had Jackson. And honestly, at one point, we pulled over and it seem to tire. So people are taking her spare ties, and we're like, no, no, no, no. Don't you on this? We have Jack. And so that killed us sometimes too. It was a wild ride, but we ended up taking it to fail. Not flat and didn't take out any brake lines or anything. But it was a it was a loud item not to that we put her head down. And we, we charge you the whole pack. I wanna say pretty much whole class passes when that we had that issue we added his limp along. And then we, we ended up cruising just take it off. Getting into second place and we actually cut out a pit stop at the very end. We were doing feel calculations as we were going. We aradio in between geyser and my dad in air coz doing the math while we were in the jacket for pace because we wanted to make sure we wouldn't run out of gas, if we get that last hit in for some weird reason we're getting more fuel mileage this race, which is awesome. And we could get that last, because you're hoping the guy in front of us had made a mistake or would, you know, have something happened where we could pass him. But we, we are just so forming to us, and they ran a celebrates and they ran all the way to the checkered. And so we ended up second. I mean I was watching, you know, and it was like, literally, it's funny because I wasn't even watching the trophy truck race on the tracker and all that the only thing I was watching sixty one hundred this race. But like you had me. So engaged with your run, you know, and I feel like you and Eric are really good friends of mine. You know. And it's so it's like I feel like I'm writing in the truck with you like you guys are struggled. I'm like, oh, no. Like I think, but it's not just me like I think there's like a whole handful of like we're riding along with you in the truck and you know, it was just crazy. But how is the start of the race you guys didn't have to go through that crazy silt bed that the trophy trucks did? Right. They rerouted you from the start. That they are teams. We have Justin that the Dalai Lopez. We have clutch drug, which Vanderli was driving. And so we're all on the same rights radio, when we heard them going through it. We were like oh my gosh, what is going on right now? There's a traffic jam like there's total politics like girls, your take off the line. Do not go. This way it that always stuck. And so then we're listening, Callen and just in trying to figure out how to get back, on course before they had rerouted, anyone and so me and Erica, not even kidding. You Google maps out and lead that honors phone on the starting line like a minute before taking off, like we had her out trying to figure out alternate ways, and we were actually prepared to take the excess line that day rerouted us to just to avoid that and take the penalties if we needed to because it was just it wasn't worth it to get stuck for an hour over ten minute DC P thing. So we never going to do that anyway. So I didn't. Working out and being great. But yeah, that's brutal. I that was wild won't. I think you know, there's been a lot of talk on the internet about it and things like that. You know. And it's you know, it's kind of a double edge sword with Bob, because we all know it's tough. And there's these iconic sill beds in any of us that race down there. No. I don't think people understand what is self that is until you're actually. I mean it's like, quicksand, it'll swallow trucks whole. It's crazy. But, like I feel like you know Bah, that's part of it. But then, you know, part of it is, like that start like you gotta let things we'd itself out before you get to something like that, you know, you that's something you wanna my one hundred not to, you know, exactly and that bottleneck it, they would have kept it on course and you had to take that route, and your interior would have been a hundred cars, right there by the end of the, the start. Well, I think a lot of it goes to hunting. I actually had somebody asked me, you know, and it's been a few years since I've raced race Bob, but they're like, how do you pro- pre running at something like the five hundred. I'm like, well, ideally, you can at least go around twice once it's once over the second time you're actually kind of fine tuning everything. But I said, you know, the main thing is like, we all know in, you can see even if there's not a Silva there. We all kind of have an idea where they're going to where they're gonna pop up, you know. And so it's like literally, I know like when I pre- run by I will get out in the known spots where, you know, this is going to turn to crap. And, you know, you get out, you literally will walk and you pre run like the alternate lines knowing the racecourse is going to be garbage come race day, and, you know, and things like that. I know you and Eric spent a ton of time down there. I mean, are you guys doing the same thing? Are you pro-chian stuff like that? L. Yeah. Me and Erica aircons we're, we're super-critical her notes like we go through our first time we're going so slow. 'cause Lee Mark, every little thing we possibly can, and we try to do the whole course or you know, at least it's sections, if running low on time that were we're least confident in at least twice. But if we can do three or four times we'll do it if we have the time. But yeah, definitely if there's a section that we are not comfortable with, like on that dark. We had tree ran it four times, I wanna say or was it three and we I had that razor and I was moan- bushes. I was trying to find a line which ever way I could make Lynn or anything possible, and around that star besides the road, they rerouted us, there was no way around it like we tried everything. And in our trucks, we would have just got stuck trying to even take alternate line trying to get back on course. So it was kinda like, well, we don't really know what's going to happen here, and we don't really know what. It could happen besides just taking that road. And that's really your only way out and just take penalty. But then changing it made that not not a problem because there isn't a penalty anymore, but yeah, I just moved down. Bush's climbs. You know it's funny too because I've been in spots baumhauer. It's like you're in these silt beds, and like some of them sneak up on you to like, and don't get me wrong. Like you don't think it's going to be that bad. And then, you know it's just like oh, wow. You get to it and it's just like you can't stop you can't see like you're blind, and it's like literally, you're just standing on the gas and like you're going through bushes, mowing down. Whatever you know, it's completely bind. It's so chaotic and you know it's like certain point you don't even know where you're at you're just like as long as trucks moving forward. I don't drive off a cliff. Like we're good. You know, and I. I think it's like impact deal is will Mark the like the injures were like, okay there's still bed. Okay. What could really take us out if we get crazy in bed, and we'll put dangerous or quiz or whatever but yeah, you're in a big, big heavy to drug truck, you, he can't just stop and didn't know soap you can't see one thing like time where I couldn't even see my hand. I put it right in front of my eyes. Like it's so brutal. And you're just hoping that no one stuck in there and no one out of their cars. Well, because you're coming in not slowing down. You're gonna hit them. No matter what, so we have had that happen. Thank God everyone was in the car 'cause I would have been so devastated. If someone was outside and her to be smart 'cause me, and Erica, we'll stay in our truck completely until we know there is no one absolutely coming for a long time, because it can get very dangerous back and still. No this truth. And even if you get off track like somebody can come Mon through the bushes, and not see you. And like you said, like it's actually have to stay there in your truck stuck and till like three or four trucks, get stuck behind you. And then you know you've got a buffer where they're going to run into the last truck. So then you can actually get out and dig. It's like this whole crazy process that I don't think people understand about. So that's in Mexico. Not at all and me. And we have like infections like that we have alternate line. So we usually have line like our first choice line, and then second choice line. Or we have the second first choice or we have a line, just to pass, or we have a line, where we miss of PP just to get away from bottlenecks, or get out of still just in case we need it, if it's going to be like a two hour. Wait somewhere. It should sometimes it's just not worth it. And you have to calculate that and that's where the the smart of Racine desert racing. You kind of have to have and, and make the right decisions as you go. And that's what I love about how like it's, it's not for sure seeing nothing is for sure. And you gotta have your wits about you, and you have to have the skills about you just to be able to make corrections right away. Because things change so fast. See, and I was lucky like, when I got my start it was right at the tail tail end of like I what I wanna call the wild west of Bah like my first time at the five hundred they still didn't have speed limits on the highway. So here we are like a hundred and thirty miles an hour sliding around blind corners with uncoming traffic and stuff like that. And honestly, I don't ever want to do that again. And anybody that raced in that era? They don't wanna do that, again either. Because I mean it was just like death race two thousand but on the flip side, like, you know, then the then the institute of the speed limits. And we got these little black boxes that took literally two weeks to download after the race and things like that. But. The thing was is like then, you know, if that point like it was still kind of open where if there was five or six lines, there weren't virtual checkpoints like you could, you know, as long as you hit the certain checkpoints physical checkpoints. You do whatever the hell, you want it in between them. So then that was where it got creative, where you could really go and pre running was crucial, especially like Sam Philippa you know 'cause you could be literally a mile away on some crazy line, you know because you found it and it was smooth. And like I was lucky that I got to race in that. And I think somebody like you in the homework unit kaput in, like, you would so thrive in that atmosphere where, you know, you didn't have these virtual checkpoints. God wasn't always looking over your shoulder. So you could be a little liberal with your lines. You know. Yeah. No. Literally, the DC keep you on it still like me and Erica like there's times, and there's a VPN, we're like it's kind of hard to get to this is going to be difficult one. But yet we're both like you know, but we appreciate it. We like it because it keeps everyone fair and it, it comes down to your driving more than anything then. And that's what we appreciate so we've actually talked about it, and we're talking about it with Joey crag this last race. And how maybe it'd be cool, if they release the Ps like the morning like all the starting line, even you had to do all the pre running, or you just had a pre Renan stay on course just because you, you didn't know better, you know. It could keep it even more fair. Yeah. It would be kind of almost like a blind thing, you know, that, that's a good idea, though, that would actually be kinda RAD. Yeah. You know, well in honestly, we know there's teams that go down there, and they'll run that course five six times. And there's somebody like you can do at one or two. You don't I think it it evens at playing field because, you know as much as we'd all love to go and spend three weeks in Baja pre running like for ninety percent of us. It's just it's not possible, you know. Yeah. You have to off working all staffing it gets difficult on everyone. But if you wanna do you put an at homework. But yeah, they did that relief like the morning of you have no choice. But to either you've done crazy amounts of pre running every alternate awfully might wanna have, or you just it fair game for someone who didn't get the pre run. So, you know, talking about by, you know, when this program, I think I was probably one of the first people to kinda you kinda brought in the loop on this whole program with RPM, you know, when it started and things like that, I know you told me like, Jimmy, I wanna do you know you were like I you know, I really really wanna raise the score series. I wanna race in Mexico that being said, are we going to see you like Vegas Torino and any of the stateside races this year? I mean, what what's the plans? And always saw you at the in the razor hammers. I mean, we're gonna see you shred shredding lake Elsinore GP razor like what what's the racing plan? For Sarah prices here. Man, me my focus on, on, on the T Beck. We did reach the mid and we were doing really well there, too. But we have dry vine of shear off on us, but not ended our rates because the bolts are stuck in the yolk that connects the trans, but, you know, I think Baja is kind of it for us this year and next year. I'm opening to be king of hammers. I've just absolutely love that race in my goes to possibly be there in a truck that would be only gosh at the insane to be able to raise a truck there. And, you know, I, I really my goal is to get a chance in the trophy truck one of these days in the teacher. I really just want to try it out and see how I could do in it, and raise aside. And then, you know, I'm really happy with our truckin, RPM and guys brother than world parts and the g all companies that come on board to help us with our spec program. It's really a dream. Team and set classes now becoming one of the most competitive Lee classes, are is like we had more trucks in our spec class than we did. And the UTV. So that was pretty impressive because those are usually that they get classes. Well, I think too, like I mean you were the really good team to be able to move up because they have all these trucks, say a thousand if you're not, you know, you're in it in the points this year. But for some odd reason you weren't ended in the points like, yeah we're not gonna run. You don't have shot at the championship. But hey, we're gonna let you drive half thousand with, you know, so, and so in the trophy, truck or something so thank you, like in the right spot there. But you talked about sixty one hundred well invested as sixty one hundred spectating and score. But I look at that, and it's it's almost trophy truck has got so crazy crazy expensive in the last three to five years. Like I mean just it's madness the amount of money that's going into trophy truck like to the point where I see it regressing like it did in the early two thousands, and we're going to get less and less entries because the money's just getting crazy. But with all that said, I see spectator continuing to grow like I think at some point we're gonna see, like eighty entries in that class just because trophy truck has become so unattainable. Yeah. For sure. And, and actually we were talking with our team after the race. That was, you know, saying how cool it is, and blah, blah, blah. And they were like you know what your visit like they're like, that's what it is right now, unless you're going to have an all drug trophy truck s where the kind of going, and I still don't think everyone's perfected. The old drive 'cause they still have quite a bit of years with them. But that is going to be the future of tricky Chuck is if and when they can lead, you know, perfect that, no, I, I completely agree. I've had just recently, I mean, Ryan our CFO Justin Lofton on this on the podcast. And like you know that's the number one question. What do you think in all the conversation revolves around all wheel drive? You know, and I think. You know with you know, with what Mattie and geyser brothers did with their truck, and I, I've heard crazy numbers about the amount of money that Bryce has in his new all wheel drive truck, and, you know, Mason's got a solid product is coming out, and, you know, and it's just I don't know. I think I think you're right, like I look at the cost to do that. And you know I look at cost a trophy trucks back in the value in the ROI. And I start looking at things like that. I'm like, you know, like I've been looking, what's next for me? I've kind of haven't built a new truck just solely because I wanted to see what's what's going on in the industry and where things are headed. And I'm looking at it going like today, if I had to go and write somebody a check for new truck. It would be a spectator. I don't I don't think it would be trophy truck, mainly because I honestly I can't write checks like that, you know. Yeah. And competitive clock like you know, you're getting to we quite a bit worse power to, like, we don't get the. The top seed. But we're still, you know, if the drivers class and I absolutely love it. Because it comes down to you doing your homework and you being a good driver. And it's a fair game for everyone. And he just got to be smart. So let's talk about king of the hammers real quick. Because I know you said that's one of your favorites know. Hugh. That's really, really good runs there. And I think back to when you were running, what was it? You're running. The was it a. It was a Kawasaki. What was it a not a mule? What the heck teric see, I wanna say meal for some reason? But I know you and Erica, just went out and had fun in that thing. But now like you become come a force there. But I think like I've actually got a turbo S. We're in the process of building into a hammer, scar for me next year. And I look at it I'm just like, like I feel like you've done it, right. Like you gotta go in and just do the first year and you just have to compete and just figure it out. See how things work how the vet runs figure out the rocks and it's like after the first year then it's like all right. Then we're here to race. I don't know anybody their first year that it just goes in Menzies had a really good run this year in his first, you know, in his I tried. I think he got like seventh or eighth. But like it's, it's a tough tough event to just come in cold Turkey, and do LA great all. And even I like this last year. I made a mistake. I was so excited to get back side by side. That I would go in ninety five in the lake bed, they call my gosh. It goes fast. And I look at Erica, there goes, the Bill I was like, oh, I need to call myself out and getting too excited. I forget, I'll be built built things. That's our car. We don't we don't have a limited in our Carl do that. Like it's crazy. I think we've had ninety seven miles an hour before. But it's like you watch that belt, temp gauge in that thing, it's like a ticking time bomb when you're your that fast. Yeah. Totally as in. That's one of the things keep getting hammered patients 'cause yeah the carpet for the rock, so go onto a desert section. You gotta be farting. He can't go very fast. If the vehicle before you get into the rock, that's racist one, and it's brutal on your vehicle. So it's revival and picking the right lines. And, you know, not getting stuck in places, and that's really hard to do, because you're going ledges two times that your car. It's a it just such an adventure. I love that. We've, you know, we never had a podium in it. But we finished it now to time and just finish finishes in compliment itself in Aki coming back, even we aren't doing the bed, but. We love it. We're only at some point but never end up seeing there. So this next year, hopefully that's the case that we can just stay there. I totally get that. You know it's one of those like talking about going into it. I'm looking at it and Mike. Yeah, this was the call. I was going to save for later on in the year. But I'm like, I really need to call Sarah and go and go pre running with you. 'cause I just need to get into the rocks. I need to get me and my co driver just to follow you and Eric around and your razor. Just go out and have fun for a weekend 'cause I literally have no idea what I'm getting into. I need coached for this. Yeah. It's really dean who coached us in honesty. He tells us the way to that, and it just a whole noonday of looking at driving something usually racing desert or sure. Course or anything like that. We have boys for ruts are actually your friend inking a hammer because they're giving you clearance, and it's helped me tremendously desert racing like app is last two fifty. We had to go through Matome Mattamy wash and there's some big rocks and you have to do some crawling, and we didn't have any issues there. And I swear, it's because of the time, I spent king of the hammers wearing how to use rock benefit and it, it's kinda like looking at motocross compared to supercross like when you do your first week riding supergrass. You're looking at this little dump and you're like how in the heck is that little bump supposed to get that far for laying this double or triple and then by a week? Right. Any like, oh for sure. I got that, listen that, you know, just like it's alternate way. Way of thinking about things. And it's just it's so awesome. It's great to learn. I feel like learning all discipline, possibly can't driving. Anything running anything can only hope you everywhere this funny to like you say that I tell people that all the time, like I love going even to like a K one speed you know, and like just doing carts for an evening, and a lot of people like that's just fun. And I'm like, no. But you can actually learn stuff in those, and I know I go to fish rally school. You know a couple times a year in being an all wheel drive rally car like I can take stuff and apply it to the UTV's order the trophy, truck, and, like I think, you know, you in what you've been able to do with the hill climbs with Hoon again and stuff like that. Like I think there's something when you put yourselves in these positions like there's something we can always take an apply to something else. You know. And actually, I learned rally notes at that whole climate again in our hot and we now you note, not notice, and our auto truck, we dummy, it down a teeny bit, but not very much. But we still use rally notes raking joke, truck speaking about Washington. I know I think it's next year. They already reached out to me. I think we're like a year away from it, and I actually talked Martelli at one point. But I wanna take I wanna take a razor up there. Do this. I think you and I need to ship a couple of razors east coast and just go. And like how fun at mount Washington here next year? Oh, I totally have planned to make a street razor. I'm so ready for I, I am I going to be probably making the hammers card's gonna turn into car 'cause it's had quite a bit of beating on it just from being in kingdom a hammers and yeah, I wanna go crazy with a razor. I think it'd be black. I wanna I know didn't I g at one point they, they built like a single see, like a drift razor. Right. With a handbrake and stuff like that. I think you know, like I've seen that, but I'm like, man, what you could do now with these turbocharged engines, and like, I'm like, oh, we could go so next level on one of these. Oh for sure. Yeah. I'm g had it was the one thousand they use earn one thousand gymnastics. Nine hundred thousand can't remember. I don't really read it. But yeah, it was pretty cool, but they never had to write tires on it there too Griffey. So it was really hard for it. But if you could put some like, like phone it and put a ham break in it. Oh, Lord down. That thing be a monster and shooting already. We just need to do like a couple of builds like side-by-side have twins. And let's go to go to mount Washington next year. Let's just do it. Oh, info down. I d so much fun. Gnarly gnarly. You're like looking down at me like, oh my gosh. She's like, oh, down the thing for sure. There's no Eli. You're living. No. But it's those going, you know what blew me away about the whole thing because you and I spent a couple of days together up there. You know, it's legit when we're down at the bottom in like shorts and a t-shirt in sweating. And you get up to the top, and it was literally like get out your parka freezing cold. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was gnarly. It's crazy up there. And then you have cloud cover. You can't really see much and is like, oh my gosh. All the people that start at the bottom, they go to the top, and they don't have jackets, and they get up to the top, and then they're like, and then it gets closed off because everybody's doing their runs and then they're stuck up there with no jacket. So they're running into that gift. Shop buying like the most random sweat shirts. I heart mount Washington, it just whatever's in there that they can buy to keep warm. And like I thought it was hilarious because people are walking around just the most hideous sweatshirts, but it was like all, they could get to stay warm. I know. And 'cause it's like the most extreme weather, or something like that has, like the most documented extreme weather of their or something like that. If I remember, right. The nearly like that. But yeah, I didn't know so you got a little bit of a breather here, then hop bahas over you're not back in the car until what the Baja four hundred right? Yeah. Yeah. Break, I have one of my best friends wedding. So I'm going to do the whole actually it's Jamie, Jamie. Rutley Jimmy Dakota. Getting married. Cpa cast right now. But yeah, it's just working in working on already next year trying to put everything together and they're getting the ball and keep the dream Levin and keep racing. And, you know, been picking up outside and working a lot behind the wheel just being a precision driver and stunt driver. But yeah, don't just expanding. The business in recruiting more girls that are in, in the racing industry has there's just there and they're a good platform so that, you know, be dedicated to something. And yeah, I don't know. Just always think going really busy around news. Never. They were not. Zeke it's funny you mentioned too. I think a lot of people don't get that about sponsorship, and you said you already trying to solidify things for next year. And I think a lot of people like they don't think that early, and I think like people like you and I like legit. I'm sitting in meetings, Dr flying around the country having meetings in regards to twenty twenty already because like literally by midsummer the real budget's kind of set and, you know, and then they've got a little bit of budget, you know, here and there where if you come in late, and it's the right person they can make something happen. But I don't think it lot of people realize like about the time we get our deal finish for twenty twenty which is going to be right, you know, towards later this year, you know, it's like we're immediately, like, all right. So let's talk about twenty twenty one it's a nonstop process. Sarah. It is known stock like I was on the line and talking to ride Pierce. And he's like, hey impact everybody, getting stuff ready for next year getting there. And I'm like, all right. Like Kay will get the ball rolling again. It is. It's a, it's a never anything, but, you know, hopefully one day, I did this view willing enough to wear, you know, to rely so much on sponsorship and have to do all that. And just keep, you know, my family close and the people that have always supported me from the very beginning not depend on dollar out so much. But we aren't there yet. We can all get there at some point. Right. You know, it would be nice to be one of those flying in private jet and just land and be like, yeah, I'll jump in there with my blank race. And my blink truck and just not worry about anything. No, it's really cool to have officers are free. She and, you know, like all the people that honestly, part of my program are so, so easy, and they trust me. And, you know, I'm gonna do good job for them because they put so much heart and care into it. So it makes it nice that you can have that trust. Because if you don't and you're not doing your obligations. And that's when it becomes something a little bit more difficult. But in this case, you know, you, you work hard, and you'll you'll get a good return on everything. You're kind of like me like all your partners, their companies you believe in their people. You believe in it makes it really easy, and it's finnick relationship and minor the same way. Like like earlier this year. I had a company that wanted to come on board with some money in it. Honestly, it just didn't make sense. And I told him I'm like I can't do right by you guys like this is a bad investment on your end. And they're like they wanted to spend money, and I'm like, look. I'm like, I would rather be up front with you and tell you I can't deliver. And, and I said us still be friendly that me taking your money and not being able to deliver on what you want. You know what I mean? And then you'd be upset you're from now and they looked at me, and they're like, we've never had somebody turned us down. We're waving money in front of him. I said, yeah, but I said, I value and what you bring to the table enough that I can tell you just physically. It's not gonna work and you know, but I you somebody that way like the people that you're around in the partners, you have it's, you know, you believe in their product, and you'll go to war form, and they'll go to war for you. Exactly. And you really do you have to believe in everything that you represent. And if you don't then are having issues 'cause you're doing it for the wrong reasons or, you know, you're, you're, you're doing it for just the money. And it's, it's showing that, you know, and it's not about that. It's about doing it her what you love it. And, you know, I'm very fortunate to have RPM who provides me with such an amazing program, and then also sponsored that are come on board this year, but it doesn't get really I'm in a great position. And I'm thankful for every person is involved in my program because about them, I wouldn't be able to continue it or are how could time and doing it alongside all them as well. You know, like even you know, for parts, like we saw Joey and Craig down there and Craig won the championship. But how cool is that to be racing the same race as basically your doctor and they end up winning the off I've hundred he took? A win in the UTD class and, you know, I have been more. So, like we heard he was doing well, so we go ahead pulled over after our stuff. I we waited for to come across the finish line supporter fellow who parts family. It's about things like that the who about it, you know, that was an amazing run. And, like, I, I haven't talked to Craig since the rayson going to reach out to him 'cause like mayonnaise Craig is ridiculously fast. He's such a good driver. Like he's, he's had some struggles Apache year two and nobody doubts. How quickey is like luck just hasn't been on his side. And all and Finally, I feel like if finally you know a little luck with Craig's way. Yeah, for sure yeah. He had, like, really a few hard years, especially with that in car. Just issues driving autograph in it. You know, it's constantly possibly can and finally all keep together. And I actually I couldn't think of better rates that it could have came together for because now they're all other champion. That's just crazy and gnarliest south and film, at your stuff. It's it's huge win. Baja doesn't matter, you know what year or what class that you win by five hundred thousand it's a big deal hands down. You know you can't it's so so tough to do. Yeah, it isn't any goes into the whole team like it's north to use driver. Could you gotta have every covered so much ground grain and all that and make it to the finish line that first car and, you know, these classes are getting so competitive anymore. You know, between T T and T spec. And you eat those are by far the three top competitive classes and score right now. Like they're like, you've got a trophy truck yelling run at once or twice a year. And you're running pro turbo UT? They're like, why don't you see to step backwards? I'm like, no, I'm like, have you see how competitive pro turbo UTV's like it's just as hard to win. There's it is trophy truck like hands down, like it's not easy, like I don't care like you get some really good talent. And same thing with T spec. Like I say, all three of them, you can interchange drivers in any which way like you throw Bryce Menzies and approachable UTV, or rob MAC, they're going to have the same problems. Anybody else does. It's it's not like they're gonna walk away with a race. It's that hard. You know. That all through. The fact is they just you can definitely, you can play, you can walk all the classes, TV drivers and the each classes, and have any McMillan racer you TV instead and you know, whoever in a trophy, shark in, they will definitely be still working as hard as they can trying to get that win. We'll sir, it was fun catching up. I know finally able to catch up with you for literally had no notes of this interview. And I don't know what we've talked about here for fifty minutes. But it's good stuff. Right. You just get on pocket. 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Sara Price Returns!

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Now Jason diffuses there and I'm like, man, I had like all these people are phenomenal like some of my favorite people in the industry, and then they all land at full of parts and, you know, and it's kind of cool, and I know we'll talk about your relationship with them because you're even more expanded than me. They came on his title, sponsor, my podcast and then kind of associate sponsor of everything else. But. Like, I feel like I would them I just hit the ground running. Like we all knew each other. We knew what we do. It wasn't you know what I mean? It wasn't like we had to feel each other out, you know, because we had that built in relationship, and I feel like with you, like was this kind of the same thing like your deal was announced it was like boom you guys were often running. Yeah. No, they're often, they, I was super thankful that they believed in, you know what I wanted to pursue this year. And they, they kinda wanted to get me up on off my feet puts to make a big impact, it's year. And so they, they gave me the tools to do that. And yeah, like I said, everyone's always mix and match and they come from everywhere in the industry, and what's Craig Conn. It went in that direction. You know you had people as well. Kind of go and total and even wrap the back rusty Baptist is there. I saw. Soren recipes. Just good people. Yeah. Yeah. They're, they're the best people in the you, you have a family, and you have a, a ton of great amazing people in your corner. And that's the way you can really ask for when you, you get thought ship like that, because, you know, it's not always about business. It's also about having your race Stanley, and I know like I know what Joey de like I've already been pitching him ideas just like, hey, let's do this. I've got a new raptor, come in, and Joey, let's build on this thing like you know, and, like, hey, here's an influence or we should, you know, we should tie with them or this and that. And he's all yours. I yes let's go. Let's do this. I love companies like that, that they think out of the box I can pitch. These wild hair ideas out them, and they don't think man. This guy's crazy like they're like. All right. I think we can work with this, you know. And I feel like I've got that vibe from foil parts I love working with companies like that because I'm always got these, like pipedream crazy ideas, you know. And I honestly some people look. Me, and they're like this guy's batch, it crazy, and I can actually say this podcast. But you know what I mean, like Joey, and Craig, they don't you know they're just like, yeah, we get it. Let's, let's roll this, you know. Yeah. Every no, he's like he's like the hype man, he's always sound for anything always has a crazy idea. You just called him. He wants to be like a prominent one of the stories tomorrow. And I'm like, well, I'm gonna be painting cars all day, you know, I'm not going to really have time to get ready to lose like resentful, you, well, why don't we keep eating your AC like he just got stuck at the border? Okay. Mike. It's ready just cool to make happen. And, you know, the funny ideas and the cool ideas, we come up with, but you gotta appreciate people like that, who actually have the passion and drive and, and wanna try new things and do new things and aren't afraid to take risks. No, I agree. You know, and it was Joey, the hype man, I've never even thought about that before. I'm like he's like offers dunking like he's going to hype it up. He did that with UT. No, no. I think that's like, honestly, it's a form of endearment, because we all love Joey, and no. But it's the truth he did that with UTV's. I mean you know you look back at what he did in the beginning, like let's face it when they first came out. Nobody cares cared about TV's. I mean you know, their quota. Quote, unquote golf carts, right? Nobody cared. Joey made them care. You know, it was just like he was the hype man. He's like, hey we got you know, he was just he was he just kept talking until people started listening. You know. Yeah. He's done. Really well from south, I'm pretty proud of Julie actually fifteen in the very beginning of most of it, you know what I know he and I kinda got he was a year prior to me, kind of starting this. And like we kind of we've talked about it. We kinda ran parallels with the growth of UTV underground and the growth of, you know, my whatever the hell, I've got now media company, and we've talked about it a lot, you know, and it's like and we also talk about the ones that started out, and then never got off the ground. You know, and it was just like, there's just, you know, there's a sweat equity that goes into it, you know, Joey, Joey knows that here and his place, you know, and I think you're one to like I look at what you've done, you know, and, and, you know, transitioning from bikes to four wheels, and even with your your business. You know that you kind of mentioned, your paint business like it's sweat equity. Like you've, you've hustled, you didn't allow yourself to fail. Sarah. Yeah, I, I definitely I just three invented myself every chance I could get, you know, motorcross lose my whole childhood, and I dedicated my entire life to it. And then when that kind of failed, and it wasn't really a, a light at the end of the town like, oh, no. Like what do I do myself? And then I created my Pete business and started doing touch-ups on cars, and then it could find myself Therese died, and then once they meant to another and then I was in a truck, and, you know, then I had my business though. And then I was a dozen a trophy, Chuck Stacey in our PM, and it's, it's really just finished crazy journey and it's I'm so thankful for so much, you know, and on the side of all the Racine and my paint as a woman in stumped as last year is really picked up for me and I couldn't be more happy about that and dad crazy. I also expanded my business and I now have seven girls and all seven girls. To paint cars. They're all racers or in the racing industry of some sort. So it's pretty cool to share that and be able to help them kind of provide themselves with each other as well. We'll you mentioned something back there, and I know like I've actually had this conversation, very recently with some people, and I was telling my story on somebody else's show and you talked about reinventing yourself and I think that's, that's like a key, especially in this industry. You know, and like you, you know, especially as like a professional dirt bike rider like you know, Joe lean was really fortunate. You know, the nitro circus came along, and I know you and I are both very, very close Joe. But like you, I mean, it was an early Adri reinvent yourself, but even talking about that, like every year to, you've reinvented yourself, not necessarily like creating all new Sarah price. But you know, you look at things you like all right? Where am I at where do I need to go what's happening in this industry? What do I need to know? You know, and I feel like you've done a good job of that. I look at myself back fifteen years and see what I've done, you know, and I think, you know. Another one's like Joey, you know, but I think every single year we're assessing the situation where we're at and where we need to go because we all know like if you sit there and you're doing the same thing like at some point, it's all going to dry up. You know, you gotta consistently be met Martelli says a best, you got to evolve or die, you know. No. Vaccari but you have to reinvent Nieve all because nothing is staying too long, and everything dims out. You know there's the light for a little bit, and then it's like, okay, you gotta keep charging figuring out how to make the bigger and better or make in this direction to achieve this goal. And that's where he detected like, you know, a lot of people they, you see social media, right? And you always put the great on their but little do they feel the work behind it, you know, like people don't see on my social media, and my paint business as much because I don't really throw it out there, but yeah, it's like you know, I have my racing and not only a small percentage of my time most of the time and I'm always racing. But when I'm not home and my weekly days, and it's foam on work mode, you know, to try and make him a dream happen. 'cause racing my passion and working, what provides me to be able to do that. I think it's smart t you've got a fallback because we all know like at some point, we all are, you know, I'm honestly living the dream is president professional race car driver got amazing sponsors, a lot of it's tied to my media work, and things like that, but you're the same way, but you've got your fallback plan, you know, with painting and stuff that can always be there in your growing that, you know, and I, I've seen now a lot of professional supercross racers and things like that. They're starting that side business, as, as their relevant, and they're kind of trying to grow that side business. So when the checks finally stopped coming in and supercross and motocross, you know, they've got a big fallback plan. I mean Dale junior did that a NASCAR. He's got this whole huge media podcasting company that he started winning was relevant in NASCAR. And now that he's off the grid and NASCAR. He's got hold media company, that's making this huge amount of money for him. And I think I think that's crucial that, you know, athletes now professional athletes in action sports and racing. Do things like that. Because I mean, our shelf life, I hate to say it, but it seems like you know it's getting shorter and shorter. I mean you look at a kid like Seth can tear on the talent. He's got he's only sixteen and like I hate to say it, but I'm like beyond over the hill. You know what I mean? Like it's by racing standards like it's crazy. You know. Totally is in, and that is something has an athlete, you know, that will never last forever. You can't get your top for, you know, your whole life. And so you, do you have to have fall back and I think that first and then second is a being able to pursue what you like. And I think it makes it that much better to like being able to raise that truck now and, and know that I have my, my house paid off and I have my car payment took care of and, and whatever it's like cool. I'm here racing in just for the fact of loving it like I'm here to do the best I could possibly do. And, you know, I wouldn't want it any other way, I wouldn't want to have to depend on racing to make my car payment or anything like that. And yeah I I'm grateful. I definitely I, I went through a hard time to figure it all out. But through it all I figured it out, and I feel like I, I am an pretty level place, then I'm not depending on racing for income, but I would love to always get raking people. That's michael. Well, and I think that's key like it. But you, you appreciate things so much more because you've had to earn it you've gone through those struggles. And I actually had this conversation with somebody about a month ago on this young up and coming talent. And it was somebody that came from a wealthy family, and, you know, and I think the term was, you know, he's just he's not engaged with anything that's going on, you know, and it's like he doesn't he super talented super talented driver. But he just didn't quite care. And I think it's because dad had always written a check now. Don't get me wrong. If my dad wanted to write seven figure checks for me to go racing, like I would absolutely like bring it on dad, but. You know, it's not happening, but I think, you know, somebody like that, that hasn't, you know, really had the struggles like somebody like you, and I like the they're not gonna value. But I think everything you get, like I know you on a personal level outside of this, and unite have had some long conversations and like evalu- every single thing that's given to you. Whether it's, you know, a dollar part or, you know, a five six figure salary, you know Dak for sure. And then you have to, you know, like these people are supporting your dream. And, and how could you not think that, you know, and all the time I like grown up in her sport of motocross, and then crossing over to going to Mexico, those fans are insane and they're so supportive? And that's what the coolest thing, and those people are the ones buying products of the people that are on your truck, or on your vehicle, or bike, and those logos, those people are representing and they're wanting to buy from that because they're fans with you and support them. It means so much to them. And. Yourself because you're hoping out the whole industry and a lot of times like motocross I saw quite a bit where you have these big name athletes, and they recoup shoulder the fans and I'm like, dude. That's what you're racing right there that person's buying that product because he you like, give them the time of day, because that will go far and possibly even help you in the future. And I know you and I like I've been around Travis Pastrana quite a bit. I know Travis little well, and he he's the same way like he came from very humble beginnings, you know, and he's becomes global icon. But like he's one of those guys like every single family, he will not walk away, if they're still one person wanting an autograph, and, you know, like I even watched like you this, especially this weekend. Like I was so impressed by it and not, not just your run that will talk about. But after the fact, even today, like every single person that tagged you in a post, like you're sharing it to your stories and one, I think that's great on your part. But to I'm blown away by how many people are actually tagging you in their photo? Sarah like I race and I get tagged and photos, but not to that magnitude, like it's crazy. How many people are tagging you on their stuff? Oh, it's nuts, like Erika. We've been talking about it. There was a time employees girly on you. But when we are out there racing and I like almost wanted to like World Cup and cheers, tears, not because we're doing well but because every corner, we went through there was someone either, like it's kind of funny, because a lot of people down there blowing kisses, and I'm like that is so cool and so crazy. 'cause they know the girl, they wouldn't be blowing kids into a guy and I just like the support is just overwhelming like and how many people are such bans in just supportive in, like they wanna see this do well, and every, every place we go down in Mexico is just insane. And we're so appreciative of it. And yeah, it it's pretty unreal actually see my phone after a race when we do. Well, I, I kinda I want to respond to each and everyone, but it's like it's overwhelming sometimes, but I'm so grateful for it. You know, it's one of those like immediately after the race amid guy so on a tech zero right now. And then I'm like, I'm gonna be waiting through like one hundred different text messages on like I'll just I'll eight a day or two. We'll see if we can get around air this week, you know. But like I mean, let's talk about the race because we haven't talked about that yet, but you were damn close at sample leap Sarah, and you know, and I know you're damn close at this one like to me it's crazy. You know how a lot of people wanna know you know, we always say, how fast is somebody that moves up through UTV's and that how quick are they actually going to be like I've been around you like I've, I've picked your brain on the side to get faster and things like that. But like it's crazy. How quick you've gotten obviously you've got an amazing team behind you. But man, I mean it's I think with these last two races and how close they been? I think whenever you do finally cross that finish line. First Sarah, it's gonna even mean that much more because you've been so close for two races. Now. And I know this is our third second place in our second one this year. We're like, are you serious such a tease? We just don't have Lynn. But we, we've been putting her head down in, you know, like the most random things happen in San Felipe bay. We had to pit two more times than the first person. And so that kinda put us down on time, and I think that's what this, the second place. 'cause we finished, I think in four six minutes from the leader. And then in this race we finished in four minutes from the leader. And we had a four minute penalty from feed zone, which, you know, happens, and, yeah, it was it's pretty nut, because that is a long race to be that close at the finish line. And we moved in the first place pretty fast. We, we took off and second and third, we got to do side-by-side start in the short course we got the whole shot. So you're in second after I that mile, I would say ten or twenty. And then we're leading and got a flat race, mile seventy and we'd get off the change. It and our Jack failed on us. He couldn't get the truck stuff in. It wasn't taking any pressure. I could put you down with my hand, and so I was like, oh, no. What are we going to do? So we, we had to drive ten miles on a flat tire. We kept talking Roco to see if they had Jackson. And honestly, at one point, we pulled over and see me at a flat tire. So people are taking off her spare tires, and we're like, no, no, no, no, don't you come up on this. We have a Jack and so that killed us sometimes too, but it was a wild ride, but we ended up taking it to fail not slanted. Antique take out any brake lines or anything. But it was a it was a loud ride not to that we put her head down, and we, we charge through the whole pack. They I want to say pretty much whole class passes when that we had that issue and we added his limp along. And then we, we ended up cruising just take it off. Getting into second place and we actually cut out a pit stop at the very end we were doing fuel calculations as we were going. We are radio in between geyser and my dad and Eric was doing the math while we were in the jacket for pace because we wanted to make sure we wouldn't run out of gas, if we get that last hit in for some weird reason we're getting more fuel mileage this race, which is awesome. And we could get that last pit 'cause you're hoping the guy in front of us had made a mistake or would, you know, have something happened where we could pass him. But we, we were just so forming off, and they ran a celebrates and they ran it all the way to the checkered. And so we ended up second. I mean I was watching, you know, and it was like, literally, it's funny because I wasn't even watching the trophy truck race on the tracker and all that the only thing I was watching sixty one hundred this race. But like you had me so engaged with your run, you know, and I feel like you and Eric are really good friends of mine. You know, and it's so it's like I feel like I'm writing in the truck with you like you guys were struggled. I'm like, oh, no. Like you don't think but it's not just me. Like I think there's like a whole handful of us like we're riding along with you in the truck. And you know, it was just is crazy. But how is the start of the race you guys didn't have to go through that crazy silt bed that the trophy trucks did? Right. They rerouted you from the start. But our teams we have Justin that knee and your the Dalai Lopez. We have clutch drug, which Vanderlei was driving. And so we're all on the same rates radio. When we heard them going through it, we were like, oh my gosh, what is going on right now? There's a traffic jam like there's total politics. They're like girl. Euro dot pig off the line. Do not go this way it that always stuck. And so then we're listening to Callan and just in trying to figure out how to get back, on course before they had rerouted, anyone and so me and Erica, I'm not even kidding. You Google maps out and lead that honor cell phone on the starting line. Like a minute before taking off, like we had our phones out trying to figure out alternate ways, and we were actually prepared to take the exact line that day rerouted us to just to avoid that and take the penalties if we needed to because it was just it wasn't worth it to get stuck for an hour over a ten minute BC p mixing. So we never going to do that anyway. So it ended. Up working out and being great. But yeah, that's brutal. I that was wild won't. I think you know, there's been a lot of talk on the internet about it and things like that. You know. And it's you know, it's kind of a double edged sword with Bob, because we all know it's tough. And there's these iconic sill beds in any of us that race down there. No, I don't think people understand what a silt that is until you're actually. I mean it's like quicksand, it'll swallow trucks whole it's crazy. But, like I feel like you know Bah, that's part of it. But then, you know, like part of it is, like that start like you gotta let things we'd itself out before you get to something like that, you know, you that's something, you want my one hundred not a mile to, you know, exactly in that bother make it, they would have kept it on course and you had to take that route. I guarantee there would have been one hundred cars, right there by the end of the, the start. Well, I think a lot of it goes to hunting and actually had somebody asked me, you know, and it's been a few years since I've raced in Bob, but they're like, how do you pre running at something like the five hundred? I'm like, well, ideally, you can at least go around twice once it's the once over the second time you're actually kind of fine tuning everything. But I said, you know, the main thing is, is like, we all know in, you can see even if there's not a silt bed there. We all kind of have an idea where they're going to where they're gonna pop up, you know. And so it's like literally, I know like when I saw I will get out in the known spots where, you know, this is going to turn to crap, and you get out, you literally will walk and you pre-run like the alternate lines knowing the race. Course is going to be garbage come race day, and, you know, and things like that. And I know you and Eric spent a ton of time down there. I mean, are you guys doing the same thing? Are you pro ching stuff like that? L. Yeah. Me and erica's, so air cut we're, we're super-critical on her notes. Like we go through our first time we're going so slow 'cause we Mark every little thing we possibly can, and we try to do the whole course or you know, at least it's sections, if running low on time that were we're least confident in at least twice. But if we can do three or four times we'll do it if we have the time. But yeah, definitely if there's a section that we are not comfortable with, like on that dark. We had pre ran it four times, I wanna say or was it three and we I had that razor and I was moan- bushes. I was trying to find a line, whichever way I could make Lynn or anything possible, and around that star besides the road, they rerouted us, there was no way around it like we tried everything in our trucks, we would have just got stuck trying to even take alternate line trying to get back on course. So it was kinda like, well, we don't really know what's going to happen here. And we don't really know what. It could happen besides just taking that road. And that's really your only way out and just take penalty. But then changing it made that not not a problem because there isn't a penalty anymore. But yeah, it's I just mowed down. Bush's Nick climbs won't you know, it's funny too, because I've been in spots in Baja where it's like you're in these silt beds, and like some of them sneak up on you to, like, don't get me wrong. Like you don't think it is going to be that bad. And then, you know it's just like oh, wow. You get to it and it's just like you can't stop you can't see like you're blind, and it's like literally, you're just standing on the gas and like you're going through bushes, mowing down. Whatever you know, it's completely blind. It's so chaotic and you know, it's like certain points, you don't even know where you're at you're just like as long as the trucks moving forward, and I don't drive off a cliff. Like we're good. You know, and I. I think it's like impact on deal is will Mark the dangers were like, okay there's just still bad. Okay. What could really take us out if we get crazy in bad, and we'll put dangerous or quiz or whatever but yeah, you're in a big, big heavy to drag truck you. You can't just stop and didn't so bad. You can't see one thing like time where I couldn't even my hand if I put it right in front of my eyes like it's so brutal. And you're just hoping that no one stuck in there and no one out of their cars. Well, because you're coming in not going down. You're gonna hit that no matter what so we have had that happen. Thank God everyone was in the car because I would have been so stated it's someone was outside and her three five to be smart. 'cause me and Erica. We'll stay in our truck completely until we know there is no one absolutely coming for a long time, because it can get very dangerous back. And so. No, that's the truth. And even if you get off track like somebody can come Mon through the bushes, and not see you. And like you said, like it's actually have to stay there in your truck, stuck until, like three or four trucks, get stuck behind you. And then, you know, you've got a little bit of a buffer where they're going to run into the last truck, so then you can actually get out. And dig. It's like this is whole crazy process that I don't think people understand about. So that's in Mexico. Not at all in me, and Erica, we have like infections like that we have alternate line. So we usually have like like our first choice line, and then second tweak line, or we have the second first choice or we have a line just to pass. Or we have a line, where we will miss a VP just to get away from bottlenecks, or get out of still just in case we need it, if it's going to be like a two hour. Wait somewhere. It should sometimes it's just not worth it. And you have to calculate that and that's where the the smart of Racine desert racing. You kind of have to have and, and make the right decisions as you go. And that's what I love about how, like it's, it's not a for sure thing, and nothing is for sure. And you gotta have your wits about you, and you have to have the skills about you just to be able to make corrections right away. Because things change though, fast. See. And I was lucky like, when I got my start it was right at the tail tail end of like I what I want to call the wild west of Bah like my first time at the five hundred. They still didn't have speed limits on the highway. So here we are like a hundred thirty miles an hour sliding around blind corners with uncoming traffic and stuff like that. And honestly, I don't ever want to do that again. And anybody that raced in that era? They don't wanna do that, again either. Because I mean it was just like death race two thousand but on the flip side, like, you know, then the then the institute of the speed limits, and we've got these little black boxes that took literally two weeks to download after the race and things like that. But. The thing was is like then, you know, if that point like it was still kind of open where if there was five or six lines like there weren't virtual checkpoints like you could, you know, as long as you hit the certain checkpoints, a physical, check moins. You do whatever the hell, you want it in between them. So then that was where it got creative. Or you could really go on. You pre running was crucial, especially like Sam Philippa you know 'cause you could be literally a mile away on some crazy line, you know because you found it and it was smooth. And like I was lucky that I got to race in that I think somebody like you in the homework unit put in like, you would so thrive in that atmosphere where, you know, you didn't have these virtual checkpoints. God wasn't always looking over your shoulder. So you could be a little more liberal with your lines. You know. Yeah. No totally the DC keep you on it. So like me and Erica, like there's times, and there's a VP and we're like is kind of hard to get to like this is going to be difficult one but yet we're both like you know what? But we appreciate it. We like it could it keeps everyone fair. And it, it comes down to your driving more than anything then. And that's what we appreciate so we've actually talked about it, and we're talking about it with Joey credit guy this last race. And how maybe it'd be cool, if they release easy like the morning like all the starting line, even you had to do all the pre running, or you decide to pre run and stay, on course, just because you, you didn't know better, you know that it could keep even more fair. It would be kind of almost like a blind thing, you know, that, that's a good idea, though, that would actually be kinda RAD you know, I think, yeah, it would be, you know, well in honestly, we know there's teams that go down there, and they'll run that course five six times. And there's somebody like you can do at one or two. You don't think it, it evens out playing field because, you know as much as we'd all love to go and spend three weeks in Baja pre writing like for ninety percent of us. It's just it's not possible, you know. Yeah. You have to take off work in all stuff. You know it it gets difficult on everyone. But if you wanna do well, you kinda put in at homework. But yet they did that relief EC peas like the morning of you have no choice. But to either you've done crazy amounts of pre running every ultimate awfully might wanna have, or you just it fair game for someone who didn't get the pre-run. So, you know, talking about by you know in this program, I think I was probably one of the first people to kinda you kinda brought in the loop on this whole program with RPM, you know, when it started and things like that, I know you told me like, Jimmy, I wanna do Bah. You know you were like I, I really really wanna raise the score series. I wanna race in Mexico that being said, are we going to see you like Vegas Torino and any of the stateside races this year? I mean, what what's the plans? And always saw you at the in the razor hammers. I mean, we're gonna see you shred shredding lake Elsinore GP in your razor. Like what, what's the racing plans? For Sarah prices here. Long me. My focus is on Bob on on the teeth Beck. We did reach them it, and we were doing really well there, too. But we had dry vine of shear off on a but not ended our rape. Because the bolts are stuck in the yolk that connects to the trans, but, you know, I think Baja is kind of it for us this year and next year. I'm opening to be king of the hammers. I've just absolutely loved that race in my go the to possibly be there in a truck that would be only gosh, that'd be insane to be able to raise the truck there. And, you know, I, I really my goal is to get a chance in the trophy truck one of these days in the teacher. I really just want to try it out and see how I could do in it and racist by. And then, you know, I'm really happy with our trucking rpm and guy's brother than world parts and be g all the companies that come on board to help us with our spec program. It's in really the dream. Team in that classes now becoming one of the most competitive Lee classes are is like we had more trucks in our spec class than we did, and the YouTube. So that was pretty impressive, because over usually that they get the classes. Well, and I think too, like I mean you were the really good team to be able to move up because they have all these trucks, you know, say a bow on thousand if you're not, you know you're in it in the points this year. But for some odd reason you weren't ended in the points like, yeah we're not gonna run. You don't have shot at the championship. But hey, we're gonna let you drive half thousand with, you know, so, and so in the trophy, truck or something so thank you, like in the right spot there. But you talked about sixty one hundred well invested desert sixty one hundred spec and score, but I look at that, and it's it's almost trophy truck has got so crazy crazy expensive in the last three to five years. Like I mean just it's madness the amount of money that's going into trophy truck like to the point where I see it regressing like it did in the early two thousands and, and we're going to get less and less entries because the money's just getting crazy. But with all that said, I see spectator continuing to grow like I think at some point we're gonna see, like eighty entries in that class just because trophy truck has become so unattainable. For sure in and actually we were talking with our team after the race. That was, you know, saying how cool it is, and blah, blah, blah. And they were like you know what your visit like they're like? That's what it is right now, unless you're going to have an although drug trophy truck F where the Lucien kind of going, and I still don't think everyone perfected. The old drive 'cause they still have quite a bit of years with them. But that is going to be the future of tricky. Chuck is at in, when they can fully, you know, perfect that, no, I, I completely agree. I've had just recently, I mean, Ryan our CFO Justin Lofton on this on the podcast. And like you know that's the number one question. What do you think in all the conversation revolves around all wheel drive? You know, and I think. You know with you know with what Mattie and are brothers did with their truck. And I, I've heard crazy numbers about the amount of money that Bryce has in his new all wheel drive truck, and, you know, Mason's got a solid product. That's coming out and you know, and it's just like I don't know. I think I think you're right. Like I look at the cost to do that. And I look at cost a trophy trucks, spec in the value in the ROI. And I start looking at things like that I'm like, you know, like I've been looking like, what's next for me. And I've kind of haven't built a new truck just solely because I wanted to see what's what's going on in the industry and where things are headed. And I'm looking at it going like today, if I had to go and write somebody a check for new truck. It would be a spec t I don't I don't think it would be trophy truck, mainly because I honestly I can't write checks like that. You know. Yeah. Hundred percent. And it's a competitive class like, you know, you're getting to we, we have quite a bit of worse, power still to like, we don't get the, the m- the top seed. But we're still, you know, if the drivers class and I absolutely love it. Because it comes down to you doing your homework and you being a good driver. And it's a fair game for everyone. And he just got to be smart. So let's talk about king of the hammers real quick. Because I know you said that's one of your favorites. You some really really good runs there. And I think back to when you were running, what was it? You were running the was it a it was a Kawasaki. What was it a mute? Not a mule. What the heck teric see, I wanna to say meal for some reason, but I know you and Erica, just went out and had fun in that thing. But now like you become come a force there. But I think like I've actually got a turbo S. We're in the process of building into a hammer, scar for me next year. And I look at it I'm just like, like I feel like you've done it, right. Like you gotta go in and just do the first year and you just have to compete and just figure it out. See how things work. See how the event runs figure out the rocks and it's like after the first year then it's like all right, then we're here to race. Like, I don't know. Anybody that first year that just goes in and Menzies had a really good run this year in his first? You know in his I tried. I think he got like seventh or eighth. But like it's, it's a tough tough event to just come in cold Turkey and do LA celebrate all. And even I like this last year. I made a mistake. I was so excited to get back at side by side and. Stuff that I would go in ninety five in the lake bed, mosaic. Oh my gosh. Is he goes fast and I look at aircraft, and there goes, the boat, I was like, oh, I need to call myself down. I'm getting too excited. I forget, I'll be built built things. Well, that's our car. We don't we don't have a limited in our Carl do that. Like it's crazy. I think we've had it ninety seven miles an hour before. But it's like you watch that belt, temp gauge in that thing, it's like a ticking time bomb on your internet fast. Yeah, totally isn't. So that's one of the things that keep getting hammered patience 'cause yoga carpet up for the rock. So when you go onto a desert section you gotta be farting. He can't go very fast. If the vehicle before you get into the rocks and that's been the racist one and it's brutal on your vehicle. So it survivor and picking the right lines and, you know, not getting stuck in places, and that's really hard to do, because you're going off ledges two times inside your car. It's, it's a it just such an adventure. I love that. We've, you know, we never had a podium in it. But we finished it now to time and just finish is an accomplishment itself, and keep coming back, even though we aren't doing the bed, but. We love it. We're only upfront some point but never ended up seeing there. So this next year, hopefully that's the case that we can just stay there. No, I totally get that. You know it's one of those like talking about going into it. I'm looking at it, and I'm like, yeah. This was a call. I was going to save for later on in the year. But I'm like, I really need to call Sarah and go and go pre running with you because I just need to get into the rocks. I need to get me and my co driver just to follow you an Eric around and your raise just go out there and have fun for a weekend 'cause I literally have no idea what I'm getting into. It's like I need coached for this. Yeah, it read Nordine if who coached us in honesty, he tells us the waves of it, and it just a whole noonday of looking at driving something usually racing desert or sure, quest, or anything like that we have boycott for routes are actually you're thinking in the hammer because they're giving you clearance. And it helped me tremendously in desert racing like app is last two fifty. We had to go through Mattamy wash and there's some big rocks and you have to do some crawling, and we didn't have any issues there. And I swear, it's because of the time, I spent king of the hammers learning how to use rock, that's a benefit. And it it's kind of like looking at motocross compared to supercross like when you do your first week a ride and supergrass you're looking at this little bump. And you're like how in the heck is that little bump supposed to get that far for laying this double or triple? And then by a week of ride, any like, oh, for sure. I got that, listen that, you know, just like it's an alternate way. Way of thinking about things. And it's just it's so awesome. It's great to learn. I feel like learning all disciplined, possibly can't driving. Anything riding anything can only hope you everywhere you don't it's funny to like you say that I tell people that all the time, like I love going even to like a K one speed. You know, and like just doing carts for an evening in black people like, oh, that's just fun. And I'm like, no. But you can actually learn stuff in those, and I know I go up to fish rally school. You know, a couple of times a year in being in an all wheel drive rally car like I can take stuff in apply it to the UTV's order the trophy truck. And like I think, you know, you in what you've been able to do with the hill climbs with Hoon again and stuff like that. Like I think there's something when you put yourselves in these positions like there's something we can always take an apply to something else. You know. And actually, I learned rally notes at that whole climate again in our Fiat. And we now you those note, not no too soon in our off road truck. We dummy, it down a teeny bit, but not very much. But we still use rally notes raking trophy, truck, speaking of mount Washington. I know I think it's next year. They already reached out to me. I think we're like a year away from it, and I actually talked about Martelli at one point. But I wanna take I wanna take a razor up there. Do the Sarah, I think you and I need to ship a couple of razors. The east coast and just go. And like how fun at mount Washington here next year? Oh, I totally I planned to make a straight razor. I'm so ready for I, I am I going to be probably making a hammers car. It's gonna turn into car 'cause it's really had quite a bit of beating on it just from being in kingdom a hammers and yeah, I wanna go crazy with a razor. I think it'd be black. I wanna to know didn't I g at one point they, they built like a single see, like a drift razor. Right. With a handbrake and stuff like that. I think you know, like I've seen that, but I'm like, man, what you could do now with these turbocharged engines, and like, I'm like, oh, we could go so next level on one of these. Oh for sure. Yeah. I n g had the it was the one thousand they use earned, it was the one thousand nine hundred or one thousand can't remember. I don't remember either. But yeah, it was pretty cool, but they never had to write tires on it there too Griffey. So it was really hard for it. But if you could put some like these, like phone it and put a ham break in it. Oh, Lord down, but I think it'd be a monster and shooting already. We just need to do like a couple of builds like side-by-side have twins. And let's go to go to mount Washington next year. Let's just do it. Oh, info down. I'd be so much fun gnarly, though, to gnarly you're like looking down a me like, oh my gosh. She's like, oh, down thing for sure there's no way Eli, you're living don't want any, but it's like going to, you know what blew me away about the whole thing. Because you and I spent a couple of days together up there. You know, it's legit when we're down at the bottom in like shorts and a t-shirt in sweating. And you get up to the top, and it was literally like get out your park a freezing cold. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was gnarly. If it is crazy up there. And then you have cloud cover. You can't really see much and is like, oh my gosh. All the people that start at the bottom, they go to the top, and they don't have jackets and, you know, they get up to the top, and then they're like, and then gets closed off because everybody's doing their runs and then they're stuck up there with no jacket. So they're running into that gift. Shop buying like the most random sweat shirts. I heart mount Washington, it just whatever's in there that they can buy to keep warm. And like I thought it was absolutely hilarious because people are walking around and just the most hideous sweatshirts, but it was like all, they could get to stay warm. I know. And because of it's like the most extreme weather, or something like that have the most documented extreme weather up there or something like that. If I remember, right. Yeah. Something like that. But yeah, I didn't know so you got a little bit of a breather here, then hot bahas over, you're not back in the car until what the Baja four hundred. Right. Yeah, yeah, the little bit of a break. I have one of my best friends, wedding, so I'm gonna do the whole actually it's Jamie Jimmy, Bradley and Jimmy Dakota getting married. So he's from supercross right now. But yeah, it's just working and working on already next year trying to put everything together and they're getting the ball rolling to keep the dream living and keep racing. And, you know, I've been picking up outside and working a lot behind the wheel just being a precision driver and stunt driver. But yeah, don't just expanding. The business in recruiting more girls that are in, in the racing industry has they're just they're, and they're a good platform so that, you know, be dedicated to something and yeah, I don't know. Just really think going really busy around news. Never they were not Zeke is funny. You mentioned too. I think a lot of people don't get that about sponsorship in a. You're you said you're already trying to solidify things for next year. And I think a lot of people like they don't think that early, you know, and I think like people like you and I like legit. I'm sitting in meetings, Dr flying around the country having meetings in regards to twenty twenty already because like literally by midsummer the real budget's kind of set and, you know, and then they've got a little bit of budget, you know, here and there where if you come in late, and it's the right person they can make something happen. But I don't think it lot of people realize like about the time we get our deal finish for twenty twenty which is going to be right, you know, towards later this year, you know, it's like we're immediately, like, all right. So let's talk about twenty twenty one like it's a nonstop process. Sarah. It is known stop, like I was on the line and talking to ride Pierce. And he's like, hey impact everybody, getting stuff ready for next year. Get getting there. And I'm like, all right. Like okay, we'll try to get the ball rolling again. It is. It's a it's a never anything. But, you know, hopefully one day I did this view well enough to wear, you know, have to rely so much on authorship and have to do all that. And just keep, you know, my family close, and the people that I've always supported me from the very beginning and not depend on dollar about so much. But we aren't there yet. Anything we can all get there at some point. Right. You know, it would be nice to be one of those just flying in a private jet and just land and be like, yeah, I'll jump in there with my blank Ray suit, and my blink truck and just not worry about anything. No, it's really cool to have officers are free. She, you know, like all the people that honestly are part of my program are, so, so they're easy, and they trust me. And, you know, I'm gonna do good job for them because they put so much heart and care into it. So it makes it nice that you can have that trust. Because if you don't and you're not doing your obligations. And that's when it becomes something a little bit more difficult. But in this case, you know, you, you work hard, and you'll, you'll get a good return on everything won't and I think you're gonna like me like all your partners like their companies you believe in their people. You believe in it makes it really easy in its authentic relationship, and minor the same way. Like I like earlier this year, I had a company that wanted to come on board with, with some money in it. Honestly, it just didn't make sense. And I told him I'm like I can't do right by you guys like this is a bad investment on your end. And they're like they wanted to spend money, and I'm like, look. I'm like, I would rather be up front with you. Tell you I can't deliver. And, and I said us still be friendly that me taking your money and not being able to deliver on what you want. You know what I mean? And then you'd be upset your from now and they looked at me, and they're like, we've never had somebody turned us down. We're waving money in front of him. I said, yeah, but I said, I value you and what you bring to the table enough that I can tell you I just physically it's not gonna work and you know, but I see you, somebody that way like the people that you're around in the partners, you have it's, you know, if you believe in their product, and, you know, you'll go to war form, and they'll go to war for you. A back in any truly. Do you have to believe in everything that you represent? And if you don't enough any, they're having issues 'cause you're doing it for the wrong reasons or, you know, you're, you're, you're doing it for just the money, and it, it showing that, you know, and it's not about that. It's about doing it her what you love it. And, you know, I'm very fortunate to have RPM who provided me with such an amazing program, and then also the bouncer that come on board this year, but it doesn't get really I'm in a great position. And I'm thankful for every person is involved in my program 'cause about them, I wouldn't be able to continue it or or how could time and doing it alongside all them as well. You know, like, like, even, you know, for part like we thought Joey crack Craig down there, and Craig won the championship. But how cool is that to be racing the same race as basically your title boxer, and they end up winning the ball, five hundred? He took. A win in the UTD class and, you know, I have been more. So, like we heard he was doing well so we, we go ahead pulled over after our stuff. I we waited for to come across the finish line supporter fellow who parts family. I it's about things like that. That's what the who about it. You know that was an amazing run. And, like, I I've, I haven't talked to Craig since the race and was going to reach out to him 'cause like mayonnaise Craig is ridiculously fast. He's such a good driver. Like he's, he's had some struggles Apache year two and nobody doubts. How quickey is like luck just hasn't been on his side. And all and Finally, I feel I give finally you know a little luck went Craig's way. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. He had, like, really a few hard years, especially with that in car. Just issues driving. Arctic driving it, you know, constantly possibly can. And finally, all keep the gather, and I actually, I couldn't think of a better rate, but it could have came together for because now that they're all other champion. That's just crazy and gnarliest south, and so much stuff, it's it's huge win. Baja doesn't matter, you know what year or what class you win by five hundred thousand. It's a big deal just hands down. You know, you can't I it's so so tough to do. Yeah, it is. And it goes into the whole team like it north to use a driver. Could you gotta have kids everywhere covered so much ground to type grain and all that and make it to the finish line that first car and, you know, these classes are getting so competitive anymore, you know, between t- t and p t spec. And you eat those are by far the three top competitive classes in score right now. One thing like they're like you've got a trophy truck, you wanna run at once or twice a year. And you run them, pro turbo TV. They're like, why don't you see to step backwards and like no? My view see competitive pro turbo UTV's, like it's just it's hard to win there is it. His trophy truck like hands down. It's not easy, like I don't care like you get some really good talent. And same thing with TD spec like you know, I say all three of them, you can interchange drivers in any which way like you throw Bryce Menzies and approachable UTV, or rob MAC. They're going to have the same problems. Anybody else does. It's it's not like they're gonna walk. Away with a race. It's not hard. You know. One hundred per se get all three of the is eight it says you can definitely you can play you can walk all the classes, you have be TV drivers in the tro, tro classes and have any McMillan racer you TV instead and you know, whoever in a trophy truck in, they will definitely be still working as hard as they can trying to get that win. We'll sir, it was fun catching up. I know finally able to catch up with you for I don't know. I literally had no notes women in this interview. And I don't know what we've talked about here for fifty minutes. But it's good stuff. Right. Always works out. You just get on and talking. Good to say that was it was like, Sarah. I don't need notes for this one. We'll just talk. Oh, I feel great catch enough and getting the he was going on Jim world. Always fun, Sarah. Thank you for the time, and we definitely need to get together soon. I'm down. Let me know when you're down. 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Talent Torn: Phil Hartman

Cherry Avenue True Crime Podcast

37:55 min | 1 year ago

Talent Torn: Phil Hartman

"Welcome back to Cherry Avenue. True crime podcast. Thank you for listening and thank you for telling a friend and if you haven't yet please go to your podcast APP and leave us a good review. We appreciate it. It does help. We're going to get into this episode right away today. Talent torn away Phil Hartmann Phil. Hartmann was a comic genius. His stint on Saturday night live was nothing less than amazing. His impressions were so good. I will give you some youtube links on my social media accounts at the end of this episode. So if you haven't them you will know and even if you have it has probably been a longtime and you will definitely enjoy seeing them again. There is no doubt of the incredible talent that this man had on the morning of May Twenty Eighth Nineteen Ninety Eight. There was a nine one one call placed. It was a man's voice. Hi this is five thousand block of Encino Boulevard and on. I think there's been a shooting here. Do you see a victim. Dispatcher asks yes. The caller says the dispatcher tells them to hold for paramedics into stay on the line. The fire dispatcher comes on and asks how many victims just won the mail collar says what part of the body I think around the head and neck the person who shot him is he around Ya. She's wife fire dispatcher. The wife shot him and they're both. They're yeah he says is in such a sad voice. Dispatcher can barely hear. Hello Sir yes. He says it louder so he can hear so was this on purpose or was an accident. Or what Sir do you know what happened? I have no idea. She came from that house and she was drunk. She said she had killed her husband. And I didn't believe her okay and they're both they're right now. Yeah Right. The caller repeat the address. We're going to send the police out there okay. And where's the weapon? Now it's in my hand okay. Because she brought it to my house dispatcher. What is your name my name is Ron Ron Douglas. At six twenty. A M police responded to the call. Police were actually in the house. Removing the children when they heard another shot Hartman was found dead in his bed. His wife was nearby in an apparent. Suicide Lieutenant Anthony Elba. Lapd spokesman said she apparently shot herself as officers were in the house. Removing the second child this was an a news clip from outside the House. Their children six and nine years old. Were not hurt. It was reported that a man had come out of the House with the oldest child. Sean the man was holding a plastic bag containing a gun. He told the police he was the man who made the nine one one call. He was a friend of brands and she had told him that she had shot her husband and then begged him to come back to the House with her. She had given him the gun that she had said she had shot fill with. He told them that this was the one in the plastic bag that he handed over his name. Was Ron Douglas. He knew brand from before she was married to fill. They had a relationship which was long over. Phil was forty. Nine and Brin Forty Phil was shot three times once in the head once in the neck and once to the chest. He was in a t shirt and a pair of boxers. There were no signs of a struggle detective. Rogers said he was in a position as if he was sound asleep. Brin was shot once and there was soot instead of playing around her lips looking as if the weapon was shot inside her mouth. Bryn was on her back. Propped up by pillows. Detective Raja said the gun was not in Britain's hand when detectives came on the scene now first responders had said they thought brench herself while they were in the home trying to get the children and just moments before they entered the bedroom where she and Phil were. This was a high profile case so as detective. Rogers said they had to be very thorough. And make sure they didn't miss anything. There were several cans of empty beer around. They checked to see and it did seem like it smelled fresh to them as if it had been drank. Recently there was one in the living room one in the laundry room and others sort of scattered throughout the house. There were prescription drugs and brings nightstand. According to Detective Raja. The gun was on the dresser and a cartridge had been fired. It was not in prince hand where he would expect it if this was a murder suicide the relationship between Ron Douglas and Brynn Hartman was long over. But detectives did have to look into him. Rarely in a murder suicide are three people there with one still alive. They had to make sure this was not a double homicide. Ron told them that. Brin came over to visit the night before she had called him asking if she could come over. He said she did and they talked for a couple hours and then she left hours later. She called him from home and she was crying and asking him if she could come back over to his house. She was very upset and telling him that she needed him and had to come over when she got to his house. He said she was very intoxicated and she wasn't making a lot of sense. She told him that she had killed fill. He said that she was so messed up. He didn't believer. He thought she was just too drunk to even know what was going on. He made tea and tried to get her to drink water to sober. Her Up. G went into his bathroom and vomited and she kept telling him she had done it then. She spilled out her purse and a gun fell out. Ron Finally agreed to go back to her house with her to find out what was going on. Bryn drove ahead of him and Ron followed in his car when he got there he saw fills body. He sees that he is actually lying there. Dead in the bed. He couldn't believe it was true. He went to call nine one one in the nine one one call. Brin can be heard crying in the background. The phone records corroborated what Ron told them about brin making contact with him. And when a neighbor of Ron's was also able to confirm when Bryn pulled up the second time and when they both left they asked Ron one was the last time he was intimate with Bren. He told them he could not even remember. They did a sexual assault kit on brand to make sure and it came back completely. Negative autopsy results showed that Brin had a gunshot wound inside of the mouth with an exit wound at the top of her head. This suggested a self inflicted gunshot wound. Brennan's were the only fingerprints found on the gun on the dresser they were able to clear ronn. Douglas. They were also able to find out how the gun ended up on the dresser. One of the first responding officers removed the gun from her hand in case she was not dead thus disarming her he had removed it from her hand and put it on the dresser as much as everyone would like the crime scene untouched safety and life is I if someone is still alive and needs medical attention or if you believe has even the slightest chance of being saved then things are going to be moved the same thing goes for a weapon that if they have even the slightest chance of being alive and are holding a weapon. They need to be disarmed. Phil had always had guns for Britain's fortieth birthday. Bill had given her the gun that she would commit suicide with. So as it is determined to be murder-suicide. What happened to really answer that we need to go back to the beginning back to before? Phil and Brynn met Phil. Hartmann was born in Brantford Ontario Canada. The same town that the hockey legend Wayne Gretzky came from he was the middle child out of eight kids his family moved to the US when he was ten years old Phil was voted as class clown in high school. He went to Santa Monica College and then moved on to California State University Northridge. He got a degree in graphic arts. He was a graphic artist. Who designed album covers for seventies rock bands like America? You might have heard of one of their songs a horse with no name and also the ban POCO or Poco who's famous song was probably crazy. Love by thirty. He had moved on from graphic artists. Fulltime COMEDY IN. Nineteen seventy five. He joined the groundlings and Improv Group. The first time he was there he was just in the audience watching the show. They asked an audience member. Come up and work with them. He was so good. They asked him to join the troupe. One of the members of the groundlings was Paul. Reubens who developed a character peewee Herman Phil played a character in the show that was developed around the character. Peewee Herman Captain Carl. Later on they would work on the writing for movie for that in nineteen eighty two. He married Lisa strain by all reports. He was head over heels for her. They had a small wedding as they were both working in Hollywood but hadn't made the big time yet. The marriage doesn't last long though. Lisa said that there was something in him that you couldn't reach they remained good friends brynn. Hartman was originally Vicky. Joe Amdahl she later started using the name Bryn in Los Angeles. She was from thief. River Falls Minnesota. She was beautiful blonde and very popular. She had aspirants to be a model and an actress in nineteen seventy five or first marriage when she was just seventeen was to her high school sweetheart in nineteen eighty. She ended all that and headed to Hollywood. She had a hard time when she first moved out there. She went there to become an actress but wasn't having a lot of success. She did do a lot of modeling especially swimwear. She changed her look and also changed her name to Bryn. She was said to have dated some famous men. She did date. Rob Reiner for a while. Rob Reiner was the director of the movie north in which? Brennan had her only movie role. The empty promises that were made to her in. La Wore her down and she started to drink. Do cocaine mainly cocaine. According to her friends from that time period she developed a very heavy cocaine. Use Susan stabbed. Her was a friend from those days. Susan would eventually become a substance abuse. Counselor she thought that some of Britain's issues were with self esteem. She talks about the symptoms of cocaine abuse. One of those. Is you end up with men who have cocaine and so you end up having sex with men. You wouldn't have pizza with if you were sober by the early nineteen eighties. She was only twenty two and she spent her nights with alcohol cocaine all night parties and men. Britain's world was not great. She went to Rehab. Her brother talked to her about the cocaine use and he said she had a problem with it did too much of it. She went to Fargo. He said and did some treatments when she got out a friend said she developed another sort of habit plastic surgery they both had some nips and tucks done and maybe some other things so she had already gone through Rehab for booze and cocaine before they got married. Some people said she was unpredictable and troubled. Fill new all of this and yet they still got married. Some of his friends said he was at an age where he used ready to settle down and he did want to have some kids he fell for. Brennan and the timing was right. These seemed to click and get along well. At first for Bryn there was the added. Benefit of how fills career was taking off? It was said that Phil did tell her he would help her. Get acting roles. She did get a small role in the nineteen ninety four movie north and a small role in an episode of the show third rock from the sun in Nineteen Ninety six. Their marriage was far from perfect. Though some friends fills said Brin had trouble controlling her anger she would get loud and aggressive and Phil was not like that in addition to drugs Hartman's News Radio Co Star. Joe Rogan said in a two thousand fourteen interview. She was a failed actress. Who deeply resented Phil Success? And his he became more and more successful. The relationship became more and more contentious. Joe Rogan spoke about his friend Phil more on his podcast. He was talking about. Which type of couple you would most want to be around the couple that has stabbing at each other or the ideal couple. Who are you feel like? Your relationship isn't so great. Joe said the ideal couple. He wants to be around Happy People. He went on to say that there is nothing worse than being around to people who insult each other slightly in public. He then said that Phil Hartman's wife used to do that all the time. He said that they had a very combative relationship and that she used to talk shit about fill in front of them. Did say rather sadly that you are not supposed to talk ill of the dead but when they kill your friend and then kill themselves while you know. Joe Loved his friend who was taken from everyone. So it's understandable. Phil seemed to have those kind of friendships. He kept his good friends. Joe Is on a TV show called news radio with fill in as far as I can find. That was when they became good friends. Listen to the episode where Joe Talks about the brilliance of Phil Hartmann. You can find it on youtube by searching Joe Rogan Phil Hartmann. A lot of people said that about Phil. He was brilliantly. Talented and wickedly. Smart in nineteen eighty six Phil. Hartmann made it on Saturday night live. He was thirty eight with a cast. That included Jon Lovitz Dana Carvey and Dennis Miller. He did so many amazing characters on us. Will Bill Clinton Ronald Reagan Johnny Cash Frank Sinatra televangelist? Jim Bakker and Ed McMahon. There's almost nothing he couldn't do. I was a huge fan of his. In the Saturday night live days he could do the Best Bill Clinton Barn on Bryn would come by the set of SNL quite often and she made some friends there. She did try and get some screen time on the opening shots. There is one of Phil sitting at a table with the blonde woman. The blond woman is Bren. She is looking at Phil and all you can see her hair and a bit of the side of her face. She had tried to turn towards the camera to get her face onscreen but the director told her no. Just look at fill so that was as much as she got to be on the show in nineteen eighty eight at the end of Phil. Second season on SNL. They had their first child. Sean by all accounts Phil takes to being a father right away and loves it. Lisa Strain Phil's wife before sent a congrats card with a letter saying she was so happy for them if they ever needed a babysitter. She was there for them. Lisa said she got a letter back from Bryn that was scary and included a death threat. It boiled down to. Don't you ever get near me or my family or I will hurt you. Do not be in touch with Phil or me or you will be sorry. It was two pages long. Lisa Call Phil about the shocking letter. And he told her you should have seen the letter she wanted to send you. She is very intense. Lisa said she didn't speak to him or see him for many years after that. It's at this time. They get their dream house in Encino. They are still bi coastal with an apartment in New York. Snl season and the big house in California and they called him the glue. He held everyone together. He not only did an amazing job acting. And with the Improv. He also held the other actors look good. It was said when Bill Clinton becomes president one of Phil's most famous and most popular impressions are born. The sketches they did at this time were hilarious. It's also around. This time Chris. Farley is interviewed saying that Phil Hartmann was the glue on. Snl Fill is definitely star at this point in Nineteen ninety-two their second child. Bergen was born Phil and Brynn are loving parents and they shoot lots of sweet home movies. Villas interviewed saying that without a question. The thing that makes him happiest is being a father. It's absolutely heartbreaking to watch him. Say That because I believed him on one evening at ten PM Brin showed up in a black cocktail dress at the set of SNL. Phil went down to meet her at the elevators some of the group of SNL could see them down the corridor and they could tell they were having an animated argument. A former writer said she remembered walking into the restroom and seeing Brennan snorting coke and she offered or some. She declined but she didn't think much about it because it was SNL and they were in New York one day make up artist from SNL said Phil climbed into the makeup chair and was just shaking after an argument with Bren- that he had had in his dressing room. He asked Phil what was wrong. Phil told him that. It looked like his wife was going to divorce him. He said it was his schedule that he was working too much and he was never home and his wife didn't have a career he and Brennan then go on the Howard Stern show which was on TV. At the time Howard Asks Brin about being swimsuit model and Howard comments and how Beautiful Brenes Etcetera to friends? This interview on Stern was still trying to raise brings profile besides snl Phil doing voices for the TV shows. The Simpsons Phil Star was definitely on the rise and he became busier and busier. He got huge payments for doing commercials for Cheetos footlocker and McDonald's. They paid him something like a million to for the McDonald's commercial. He couldn't believe he was making that kind of money for that. It's around this time. He started buying some of the pricier toys. He bought a Ferrari a small plane and another boat. He started with a small Boston. Whaler got a bigger Boston whaler and then got a small yacht. Friends said he was spending a lot of time away from the House and away from his wife with these toys in Nineteen ninety-four Phil ended his career with SNL. It had been eight seasons on Phil's last show. They did a send off song so long. Farewell from the sound of music at the very end. There were just two characters remaining on stage Phil Hartmann and Chris Farley. In the next few years they would both be gone. Saturday night live Phil was developing a show that was going to be his own and he had told Bryn he would work parts in it for her. It was to be a variety. Show called the Phil. Show a sketch comedy. Show Bryn of course had been after him to get her some acting work he also tried to develop a sitcom that would have a rule for her in it. Neither the variety show nor the Sitcom made it to the pilot stage. He ended up taking a role in a new show. Called newsradio in nineteen ninety five Donna. Kaufman the main writer for the Sitcom that he was trying to develop said Brin called her and she was very upset. Donna tried to be helpful but telling her maybe they would work in something for her on newsradio that there would be a role in that show for her but Brennan said No. She said he was it because he didn't want to work with her. That's why and her substance abuse had really not gone away. She would stop and there would be a period of peace. And then she would indulge mother's Day nineteen ninety seven. Brennan had gone out. It was apparently in very bad shape when she came home. The next morning Phil was furious. He insisted that burn Goto Rehab and she did but she relapsed again. A few months later Andy. Dick was one of the actors on newsradio. He was at a Christmas party at Phil's house when Bryn and one of her friends asked him if he had some cocaine. He said sure he didn't know she had a problem with it. He said she went back to Rehab but didn't stay very long five to six days. She missed the kids. She didn't want to be away from them. She felt terrible about the relapse. Bill is getting very stressed about the cocaine and Alcohol Abuse Phil Getting. Very stressed about the cocaine and alcohol abuse that tragic night brin had met her friend Christine Zander who was a producer for third rock from the Sun. At the time they met for dinner and drinks Zander's said Brin did talk about the fact that her marriage was not doing so well they had a commiserating sort of talk over drinks. Zander's said Brin had offered her some cocaine that night zander declined. Brennan had been Rehab at least twice but here. She was drinking and doing cocaine after the dinner. Brin tried to get Zander to go to club with her but sanders says she couldn't stay out that late brin then went over to an old friend's house. Ron Douglas Ron said. She was in a pretty good mood when she came over and they had a nice talk for a few hours. And then Brentwood home hours later as we know Bryn called Ron again. This time she was crying telling him she had to come back over. He had no idea what happened. He just knew she sounded drunk and was acting crazy so she had a cocktail of anti-depressants which by all accounts was still fairly New Jersey alcohol and cocaine. She had a marriage that was not great she had dreamed she was starting to realize or maybe finally had realized might never happen and on top of her marriage. Not Being Great. She knew there was a chance it was going to end that the marriage would fail to that evening. Phil got home while Brennan was still out and he told the nanny to go home when the nanny left he was playing with the kids bill spent time with the Children. Put them to bed and then went to bed himself. You do have to wonder why though if Phil knew that Brian was so volatile. Why did he give her a gun and before he gave her that gun that he gave her for her birthday? There is already at least one more that was kept where it could easily be gotten by brand so you do have to wonder as Phil did know about Britain's problems with drugs and alcohol why he thought having the handguns easily available is a good idea. So prince mind is addled by cocaine and alcohol and she has a relatively new prescription drug system. She knows that Phil will divorce her if she continues to do cocaine but for some reason she continues to do so fill is upset with the way that she has been behaving while under the influence of these substances. He has threatened to divorce her and custody of the children for their own protection because of the coke and alcohol. She cannot think clearly if she could she would realize that if she were to get herself completely cleaned up and she was able to maintain that then she would most likely get custody of the kids yourself or at least shared custody. She would be divorcing a rich celebrity and she would not be out on. The streets fill works a lot. She has been a good mother when sober and she would be able to do so. She would probably have the kids most of the time but she's not thinking clearly. She is thinking her kids will be taken away from her. Her lifestyle will change the thought of losing. Her children was probably two months so an incredibly irrational decision to shoot and kill Phil must have entered her mind. How long she actually thought about it though. No one knows but again her brain is all mixed up. She isn't a blind sort of panic. I imagine so. She can't see. That would not be a solution of any kind. She would go to jail and not only lose their kids but also take both parents away from her children. She ends up burning to Ron for help. But I think that shows even more clearly how messed up and completely panicked or rain was when she gets back to the House with Ron. He is calling the police she might have been realized she was going to jail and then she shot herself in order not to or she felt so horrible and guilty that she had killed her husband. She then shot herself either way. It's something she should have realized earlier that she would have to go to jail or killers open order not to go to jail but the condition of her mind under the influence of the substances in the panic was so that she could not see the long term effects of her decision to shoot her husband. She couldn't see that either way. Her children would lose both parents. It was most likely the furthest from what wanted for her children and yet it happened that way. It's just also sad. Brian's brother said he lost his sister who was a wonderful person and a brother-in-law who was wonderful and it was very hard. The kids were raised by. Brin sister after the tragedy. They were just six and nine at the time. The family says they are both doing. Well they say that Brennan fell would be very proud of the people. They have grown into watching for the research a clip on Youtube. Where Phil is on the Dennis Miller show and he tells the sweetest story about Bergen being born and how cried every time he told the story? He tears up again on this show. It's beautiful and so sad to watch the sad that Bergen had him for only six years. And Sean only had him for nine Stay tuned if you would like for the historical portion of this podcast. If you are regular listener you probably know that. We started out with very old newspaper clippings with crimes that are very similar to the one that we just covered however today we are going to start out with one from nineteen ninety eight and it is about Phil Hartmann. We will move back in time and cover other crimes that are similar to this. So the May twenty-ninth nine hundred ninety eight just happened. Wife reportedly kills actor Phil Hartman. This is from Hollywood. It just doesn't Make Sense said actor Steve Gutenberg Who Like The and pee wee. Herman got his show. Business break with the Los Angeles Comedy Troupe. The groundlings whenever I saw Phil and his wife they were always happy. Both of them were always giving kind any of the other. Details are none of my business. Phil Hartmann joined the Saturday night. Live cast in nineteen eighty six that then included Jon Lovitz. Dennis Miller and Dana Carvey in his eight seasons. He didn't impersonations of upwards of seventy famous people. Including Ed McMahon. Bill Clinton Jimmy Swaggart Phil Donahue and Frank Sinatra Phil Hartman's. Death is the latest in a string of tragedies to strike Saturday night live alumni. John Belushi. Who went from the original nineteen seventy five cast to stardom in movies? Such as animal house died of a drug overdose at the age of thirty three in nineteen. Eighty two GILDA radner. A fellow cast member died of ovarian cancer in nineteen eighty nine at age. Forty two Chris Farley who appeared on the show in the nineteen nineties and in the movie Tommy boy died of a drug overdose in December at age. Thirty three several years ago after he left a sketch comedy show. Brynn Hartman said we have more of a normal lifestyle now. Phil was blessed with a tremendous gift for creating characters that made people laugh said donal Heimer West. Coast President of NBC. But more importantly everyone who had the pleasure of working with Phil knows that he was a man of tremendous warmth a true professional and a loyal friend. Who will be deeply missed born Philip Edward Hartman in Ontario Canada Hartman was one in a line of Canadian born Comedians to find success in the United States including the late John Candy and SNL veteran. Dan ackroyd unlike them Phil. Hartmann grew up in America. I in Connecticut then in southern California at Westchester High School on Los Angeles Westside. He was the class clown already doing impersonations of John Wayne Jack Benny and Lyndon Johnson after high school. He studied art and wound up in graphic design. Doing album covers for rock bands. Drawn to stand up comedy Phil Apartment in Nineteen. Seventy five joined the groundlings in Los Angeles. The next one is back almost one hundred years ago April Twenty Eighth Nineteen Twenty seven and it is Hollywood. California wife kills movie actor mate as climax to wild. Jin Party breaking under hours of continual questioning. Mrs Sarah. Carrick film double confessed to police here Wednesday night that she shot and killed her husband. Tom Carrick motion picture. Actor of Western rolls. Her confession mumbled and partly incoherent claimed that revolver she had in her hand was discharged accidentally. When Mrs Anita Isabelle a member of the alleged drinking party in character department attempted to wrest the gun from her hands shot during the Party. Mrs Carrick was booked on a charge of suspicion of murder and four other parties to the shooting were held as material witnesses. Carrick former cowboy of Wyoming was shot to death Wednesday morning during what police termed one of Hollywood's wildest and loudest parties. All those held confessed drinking and understand Back then prohibition was going on it was from nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty. Three and drinking alcohol was illegal. So all of these people confess to drinking and it says in the I will continue in the paper it says and it was not until fourteen hours after the slaying that statements could be obtained from any of them. Mrs Carrick herself did not know. Her husband was dead until police broke the news to her hours after she had been arrested. She admitted however she had gone after a gun to shoot him when she found him in a bedroom with another woman of the party she asserted the gun was discharged accidentally when Mrs Anita Isabel attempted to take it from her in addition to Mrs Carrick those held were Henry and Anita is a bill and Iris Burns all motion picture. Extra workers and Joe Hunt Ms Burns was the alleged recipient of the advances said to have induced the shooting. The next one is actor slaves wife then kill self and this is August six nine thousand nine hundred twenty eight Hollywood California a fifteen year old Vaudeville partnership between husband and wife was broken here today as a tragedy which police called a case of murder and attempted suicide. Jack would vaudeville tricks shoot artist shot and killed his wife. Mrs Nelly would with the rifle he used on the stage. He then turned the gun upon himself. Physician said he probably would not recover a daughter of MRS would by a former marriage witnessed the shooting. Police were told that dissension arose between the partners after the woods had left the vaudeville circuits and attained only moderate success in motion pictures here and I think that is the well. The here's the last. One is a weird one to June sixteenth. Nineteen twenty nine wife. Kills actor fails at suicide? When Frank Helms? Twenty nine retired song and dance man told his wife former Vaudeville Trooper. He would have to sell her trained pony for funds. She shot and killed him at their cottage home near here today then. She leaned over his body and whispered goodbye old. Boy I'm going with you and pulled the trigger of the gun. Placed NEAR HER HEART. It was empty. She surrendered to officers was held on a murder charge. And that's it for today. Please remember to hit subscribed so that you don't miss any episodes it's free to subscribe And please do remember to give us a good review if they have it in your heart to do so I would appreciate it and as always please be safe.

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"Mars president lincoln or does the reading sure this letter. It was on my desk when i arrived this more see gator explain yourself. What i have to say is written down there. Sir i do not accept your resignation. Mr president you cannot go. I will not allow it. The have asked enough of mrs. stanton so my health continues to deteriorate a have scarce had a moment to mourn my children so it's time for me to go home. Mars <music> you have been my my main reliance these past battles but the real war is reconstruction construction and you you may see you must help me through the final act. The bag is filled. You must be tied tied securely so not slip yours. Do not in the country still need you answer the call will you to help me finish what we started. Aw in in eighteen sixty five eighteen sixty five is sponsored by audible listening makes us smarter more connected people. 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You're so many stories to tell from seventeen sixty five to two thousand sixty five and your support is critical to our success so please go to eighteen sixty five podcast dot com and become a patron help us continue our work bringing history alive by going to eighteen sixty five podcasts ask dot com telegram july fifth the following the official sentences in the cases of the prisoners tried before the court we the members of the military commission after mature consideration of the evidence find david e herold george a at surat lewis pain powell and mary e surat not guilty of all charges. The commission does therefore sentence them to be hung by the neck until dead at such time and place is the president of the united states. Shall she'll direct. There is major. Thank you just don't get too close to mr cal. My name is major thomas eckerd more department would like to speak with you for a moment wwl right. Why don't you go fuck. There's an officer speaking to you so all right along with him. I'm not sure that's a good idea. I'll be served. That's an order. Martin is her keys. Please thank you who do on your way up three culture here jolly jolly jack's plug tobacco. That's your brain is gone through thick and mister powell gets paid pain and hear about surat idle. Nothing about johnny sarah no johnny. I'm here about his mother about career. This has been found guilty guilty what conspiracy to assassinate the president innocent. I know you know she's incident and we need you to make a statement saying as much interested in making those statements you stormed into secretary suits. It's home you struck some in the skull the butter he pistol and threw him down flight of stairs bludgeoned his guard and tossed his daughter of the ground like rag doll and stabbed secretary seward put of a dozen times but some will never be the same again. Doc dr will never forget your face for the rest of her days and these are your sensor but if you don't intercede that woman woman is going to pay the price for the you should come in six day stint brief. I don't have a moment to spare. Of course we've come here mcphail because brief eckerd here about the woman the woman mary sir i see i understand. The military tribunal has arrived at avert. It's just this morning morning. Why not to speak out of turn arrive. At the point given her death. I recommend the death yes and the tribunal felt inclined to agree with me you you would hang a woman to be clear. I made my recommendation to the tribunal based on the facts garnered from the investigation. They made their decision. I i will support it. They made their decision when they found her not guilty so users. You're doing martial no sir the idea was my but i stand with major record or the matter sir i can see you do your concerns are noted but serve duly noted. It's never been done before sir. Yes i am aware in the history of this country. No woman has ever been the history of this country. No citizen has killed the president show. Perhaps the rules have changed so this. This is a statement from lewis pain powell. He exonerates mrs surat. He says she had nothing to do with the assassination plot. I don't need to see it. He's lying. I disagree with you. You wanna trust the word of a ruthless killer of the facts of the accident and you know it. She's innocent. Innocent women do not keep company with murderer unless the daughters of senators you mean marshall mcphail yes sir you are dismissed of coarser non on you major tread carefully son. Do you know what you told me on the first day in office. You said the wards partner was an instrument of gods lights and what i said you sir. You are a good man edgard but i have seen more days than you. We defend against those who would devour us times. Darkness is the only weapon suitable don't love it. Do love that which it preserves sir who do who is she it to you that you should care so much whether she lives or dies i can ask you the scene. 'cause i don't care. This isn't about mary. Surat major <hes> this is about drawing out her son. He will come out of hiding. He will sacrifice himself to save his mother's life and if he doesn't really want to help that woman <hes> then find john surat come in secretary seward major record. What can i do for you. I understand your friendly with archbishop mccloskey of new york. He's an old friend. I need due to give him something for me. What is a message for johnny. Sarut our sources inside the catholic church believe mr rod has been given sanctuary and the war department has sources inside the catholic church. The department has sources everywhere sir major if indeed the catholic church is giving sanctuary to johnson as secretary. Are you state. I cannot interfere. I'm not asking for diplomatic intervention asking you sin word to archbishop. Clusky is a friend and worried edwin stanton stanton about to make a grave mistake. How so mary surat i believe she's innocent sir and even if she's not her crimes are not deserving of death. I hope the tribunal would give her life in prison they did sir stanton reversed their decision hot. That's supposed to be discussing this. You have my discretion major. Please go on at stanton's behest congressman bingham. Mr halt compelled the commission to change their verdict to guilty. They've sentenced answer to death by hanging johnson deserves to know. His mother is facing the nurse. If he comes forward stanton. We'll spare the woman's life. Give me the message. I'll see it finds the archbishop which means thank you mister secretary. Only you didn't hear this for me edwin william can i do for you. I've just received a dispatch from archbishop mccloskey regarding the whereabouts of johnny surat and the church claims they don't have and you believe the archbishop increased not this one at any well if he is telling the truth that means the rock still at large presumably which means we still have a chance to bring him in. What if you can't find it. You're a catholic william have a little faith. What about his mother so that's why you're here. I i know you leaned on the tribunal. Excuse me do you deny it quite an accusation who you deny. I made a recommendation nation as the head of the war department. That is my prerogative. There's nothing improper in. Was it a recommendation or an order. Have you been getting your information. It doesn't matter of kept yep. Mustard close was a major record edmund. I understand surround is important to your investigation but a woman's life is at say i'm fully aware of what's at stake william and if it doesn't come forward what then surat's fate is no longer in my stanton perhaps major eckert or whomever is feeding your of your inflammation neglected to tell you the rest of the story. I did recommend a sentence of death for mrs sarah. That's the truth. I have no reason to deny far oy because she's guilty. The plot was hatched in her nest for god's sake. I recommend the death because i believe the punishment should fit the crime now that she's here's a woman at when that said as she is a woman i also believe special consideration should be given. I've encouraged the commission to make ak- recommendation for clemency to president johnson. Mary suraj behalf chooses to spare their life. That is his decision. I didn't note with what you don't know. I can fill the length of a bible william. You told me to conduct myself with integrity. I made my recommendation. That's all i can do with the tribunal up decides to sue for clemency to the president. I cannot interfere if they choose to uphold their decision and center the gallows. I cannot interfere no matter what they decide. I cannot interfere president johnson can yes if the president disagrees with the tribunal's ruling let him raise the judge initial rid of habeas corpus purpose either way i cannot and will not interfere you wanted integrity. This is what it looks like. When will the commission make a decision on the clemency. I have until the execution tomorrow. In the meantime. I put every resource available to me on the hunt for surat. I will find him. William and i will see the rebels get the justice they they deserve and if you meant fails rob will come forward to spare his mother's life. I have no doubt it's pretty wooded reaches. The manning to surat is on the front page of every major age publication on this continent. 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The Cursed Town of Black River Falls!

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The Cursed Town of Black River Falls!

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Fancy for all the bitches man i fucking hate those brick excited to us all right so we're here with the cova kid and the tomcat and we're going to start getting reading the don't have covid. He's getting tested. We don't know if he has already got tested. Yeah well yet. It's probably negative. It's probably hiv positive. Probably all right so we're going to get in the black falls river. It's a curse town. This is pretty fucking weird shit so let's just dive right into their So between eighteen ninety nine hundred and ten horror arrived in the town of black river falls. Wisconsin wisconsin who arrived. the horror. Said thought you're talking about a person. I thought you were like the horror arrive. No so showed up honor donkey. Dick seems it seems like a lot of shit happens is in wisconsin. Like ed giddins from wisconsin. Jeffrey dahmer from wisconsin. This fucking cursed town from wisconsin. So yeah so. It's it's a small town me. It's a mid west town and everywhere. Though everyone's every towns or towns got their claim to fame of serial killers or. They're they're not every time but every every time does have an street remember that. Every town has downstream according to fray cougar. Yes i don't think that's true all right so it was a mining town lumber industry but like when these minds and lumber industry shutdown leaving people unemployed ultimately causing the banks to fail as well. So we'll get into more of the details of the town. In general it's located in the west the us state of wisconsin just thirty nine miles north east of Layla cross is acquaint. Small town black roof falls. The town was founded in eighteen. Thirty nine by a sawmill. Operator named jacob spaulding on the land he had had once belong to the ho chunk indians or native americans or indigenous people. But in this research that i have it does say indians. That seems like a lot of work for a sawmill operator. I'm gonna also create a town. That's that's my. That was my minor in school. We'll get into it a bit more but like because they built on native ground theories that this is that the natives put a curse on this town when they took it while we have that in branford there. Yeah incomes in you curse them. There is a big. That just got built down the street from you there. And i was on hold for like five fucking years because they found ancient artifacts and then it got built so i can only imagine like somebody's gonna be playing basketball and there and all of a sudden boat their ankles break and then they fall on the floor and then they get dragged through the puck and like so. Don't dribble no balls. My kids were sleeping so they were a simulated and they kind of dissipated essentially by european settlers pouring into the region. The town began to thrive as a booming sawmill. Industry took off along. The black river and settlers came in droves many of them german and of norwegian descent looking for a new life in this pleasant well-to-do town then starting from around like i said eighteen. Ninety something happen to this ideal place. Some dark cloud came hovering over and suddenly out of nowhere. The town would be utterly bestowed and besieged by chaos disaster calamity insanity suicide-murder derangement in mayhem is this like are they just saying all this stuff just started happening. They never had mayhem as soon as eighteen. Ninety hit everything shit. Hit the fan rough. So it's supposed to be. The one of the most recorded are the most curse salman ever recorded cotonou downward spiral of horrors. That would last the next decade. It started with the closing down of several sawmills in the area after a series of incredible bleak and cold winters. The people who stayed behind in this freak weather were faced with bitter cold and approaching starvation. So it got super cold and then what to do as well as an offset of an epidemic of disease always disease disease so many as well as a major flood which ravaged the area. The previous rather pleasant town of which newspaper reporter had one said. Nowhere is as great as this. If of ours was nowhere in this great continent of ours can be found such a more. Desirable residents in black river falls. It's the nicest place site trees grass. It's got it's got slaves. It's literally this time. what's your back. Then they're like their housing market. It would be slaves per capita sterile. We're gone nine slaves per square footage in this. This would just be coming out of the himes of slavery but you know they still they serve the opposite way. Then maybe like. Wow there's no slaves here everyone over so for. Everyone knows how to make bread. Yeah everyone is so nice. And when i shop there's only why people which is nice but when i go outside there's many of those black folks walking around and we enjoy their company so like so. Why is it nice that they weren't in the coffee show because it's especially back then. I like to enjoy my especially back and saver and it's just like it's over. We want them to be like we want everyone to be equal. They're not allowed to go in this restaurant and sit next to a white person or eat with them and it was atrocious. Obviously when did segregation get cut off. No i mean. I mean like yeah like rosa. That was the watts riots and stuff in the sixties personal. Why she yeah. I think it was the thought. It was earlier in that i think it was the fifties or sixties i. I think it was the sixties to be honest but i up. Could you imagine that that. Like just walking up to a fountain that's labeled white or black stupid. Like what the fuck saying. Oh yeah no. I don't get no disease. From white people white people are clean. Point okay so it is crazy for dirtier new people. Probably the brad pitt would probably kept healthier by staying away from the white people for a little while. I know with all their smallpox and disease in falling apart so rapidly especially this time with the hatred. towards natives in indigenous people in general is not good either. This is a terrible time for indigenous. People just like you know we were just europeans. Taken fucking everything and spanish is falling apart around the people. Yes people you mexican whispers of witchcraft and devil worship in there. All these things started coming out what everyone thought this time was so nice and they kind of flipped on its head the wrath of nature in paranoia about supernatural forces mixed together with sudden joblessness and the added horror of the financial depression gripping the nation at the time lesser known but just as devastating as the one in the nineteen thirties. There was a bad depression. And all this became the perfect breeding ground for tara are like terrorist season. It multiplies bacteria. Yes tara i was only gonna steal a shopping carpet since here on tv to those packers shopping carts and then they just like go around the city with fucking pop cans. Fuck those mother fuckers. Oh that's my new favorite fucking. Thank you so. I work at the boston pizza work. That's like literally in the same plazas walmart and we get a lot of walmart carts like of our back door. For some reason i liked and again. I pulled my another having a smoke up there and i pulled my another The same thing as the story told the other week about the girl at the ice cream and like walking by grabs his car. He just walks away. I'm like buddy that's my new favorite fucking thing everybody any time you see anybody putting something. That's like blatantly obvious. They're just being lazy. Just be like oh yeah fuck. Yeah that's right you should. You should start collecting shopping. Carts become like bubbles and then we'll hide hash into the into the the handles of the shopping carts and we'll ship it around the world hiding place at the soda chair showed it was i. Rise of random violence fighting delinquency and degeneracy. People were starting to get very stressed out with the situation. Started getting kinda crazy at heated up. There's included like suicide and mom. Fucking mutilations twisted murderers and it's all at the center of black river falls so this talent search ravel and descend into madness. Chaos marina talk more or less about nine hundred seventy three. Michael lessee published a win wisconsin death trip which assembled photographs from charles van shackles. Schalke's shocks shocks charles van shack. It's a one thousand nine hundred eighty nine two nine hundred and ten collection along with newspaper clippings from the times charles van was a local photographer who captured images of the town's residents book painted a grim picture of the life in black river falls and extreme example of the hardships of life in the late. Eighteen hundreds so. The book was adapted into a documentary. The same title in one thousand nine hundred nine and they recreate into live action segments to tell the town's bazaar story so we're going to get into the strange stuff that happened in this small town over the span of just two decades okay. You're ready to hear it. It's fine what happened in town. This is suspicion of botched fio- funeral procedures led to an investigation at the rosedale cemetery and it was discovered that mrs sarah smith had been accidentally buried alive while in some kind of trance or coma like state. Why does this keep happening. I know seven so much back then. It's it's funny. I was going to say it's funny that it happened like enough times. It's let's give them a bill this case we've talked about this before of it's a lost episode or not but i just scary b. to be that groundskeeper and then deleting terrified who's a betsy. Okay betsy stark guy go go thank her body was found partially on its side and the hands were poised towards her face. Reportedly smith had bitten her finger. Half off nails. It would be like just like claude from claw scratches right. That's what i would think that there is reports of that happening and people find the coffin later on their beating scratches on the top. Hang hang up a second win. This hilarious family guy. Skit with the back to the dig the graves. I wanna see the one guy. Like freaking talk. This and he grabs a can of spinach. Like he's like starts digging a fucking dog yeah and then turns and decker affiliate and he fucks the corpse. Family okay yes says fingers half off. Her fingers have been bitten half off not her fingernails but bitten completely dried. Scratch like she could have been fighting so hard that her finger literally like instead. It's believed this. Accreditation realized her fate that she for some reason she was. she was trying to get substance. I guess she's trying to stay alive until something can came from. God that's the only thing i'd think about eating. It'd be like okay. And i wonder if ever happened in modern day times again. There's ever like there's one or two cases of somebody that they thought were dead in. They them and we don't have bells anymore so we would never know by to be fair when we bury people. Now it's it's usually a lot longer before in the your house. It'd be like an hour later be like. Hey everybody gather. He died today. Croatia dad grandma died. We're going to gather in a week to have the way it's like okay. Well he's got a fucking week to week. As soon as he's he's not up in a week with medical equipment like he's probably but as soon as he starts having a heart attack this the grandsons outside digging the grave next to the house there while he's in bed he's like you look like your breathing's a little league. I'm just. I'm just going to get this ready absolutely. It's a day off today. I don't wanna work. And then do this so john anderson thirteen so these are all going to be all the weird little stories of everything that happened in this town fucking weird. There's a bunch of small little fucked up shit happening. All around this town. So john anderson. Thirteen ran away from home with his ten year. Old brother from there. Anderson shot the owner of a remote farm at close range so a thirteen year. Old boy shot a farmer fund time. The bronx took over the deceased farmers property until the farmers brother paid a visit. The farmer life go. He gave me the fuck and reigns to the key here. See here. I got the deed. I shot him in the chest. In your what. I started plowing. I start getting the farm ready. I took care of this farm after shot him. As far as the younger boy confessed to the crime but anderson took off leading the sheriff's on a manhunt. An officer was killed during the chase but anderson was eventually caught and sentenced to life in prison at thirteen. You have no. He made a mistake. Leave him alone of data data. Don't don't leave him alone. Don't be like oh you scally wake on your way like like years. Let him out. It like forty five. Yeah it sucks. You just fucked up hard but you can still have like a little bit of your adulthood before. He turned into a senior citizen. Senior citizen yeah. True a six hundred thirteen. Yeah i guess. Yeah because i think he made a mistake in out what was in it because it's weird but a lot of people in this town were like they were caught and you translate states. Are you having a beer. All nice canadian bear canadian behind eighty and so like all these days are having and people starting to translate states where they would just fucking like. It was like they were possessed and stuff. That's what people believed in the witchcraft part of it. Because there's like do the bar and they could translate state and then fucking just drank over and over until he died. And then i same guy. That same bar got drunk. Shot himself in the head. What kind of drugs were back. Then pure cocoa leaves chewing on them. Now opiates pastor heroin did exist differently. Smoked it i don't fuck. I know what they did back then. I don't know drugs around the one thousand nine hundred so fucking no. They probably hoped it. They've shoved also fucking dandy lily alliance again. But he's like just just like scouring his face like a fucking dog on the puck and so some of this is going to fuck and do something and you just eating anything you can to see what. And then he discovers mushrooms any becomes a guru and he becomes gandhi in the future when he reincarnates and many eats poison. Ivy and is exactly. What would happen if you ate poison ivy. Once you find out where recorded do that. That's a duty your insights. I don't know your skin. Lower your looks. Fuck your stomach like that. Just to your whole fucking intestines would be just fucked. I could see like it was just start poking holes like a fucking fish tank that come baseball dick thrown into somebody and then post that google on the strange. Roux heads facebook page and answer. This question. what happens. If you eat. Poison i i i i was like. What are we saw a six year. Old woman found a small sore on her back believing that it was incumbent mass with cancer and would take her life she attempt to so she thought it was cancer and when they would take her life so she attempted to remove it ourself to hear the supposed ailments or the is supposed to be cured with the you know. The woman doused herself in kerosene. She went out to her backyard and she let herself on fire for a fucking thing on your back my feet and all my other limbs. But this'll be own. I don't care. See not i didn't put in kerosene face so i should be fined. Grandma what are you doing. She's like just dosage gasoline's care amash seeing like grandma's outside a she looks a little wet are now she's pulling out a match shit and then she just goes in a blaze and other fan. I always think of those. I just think she's trying to late. Commit acts taking forever. You fucking cancer. More skips trust striker match. And then zippo salesman comes by and he's like hey do i got a fucking care for you. I'll even watch. You heard all easy. Drop it and it's still on fire. So mr john larson. The wife of a farmer suffered from mental illness and believed that devils were after her. She took her three children out to the beach and then drowned them. One by one in lake. St. crocs you fucking psycho. She says john larson search for his family could only recovered the bodies of two of his children. So that's fine was missing. I don't know where it went but coulda just went to the bottom line. Didn't scour the whole fucking plays. Yeah went down river and you said river the lake to the beach. Yeah yeah guys picking up pop cans on the beach and just like oh. I wonder how much i can get for. This aside throws it over shoulder. Those great beer store. What is this. This is what i'm paying with. It's definitely on the black market. This is worth like forty grand. So i'll just take two hundred children's fucking livers and shit like that and hearts and stuff are worth a lot in. The black market is discussing to say but that should happen. It's people get abducted and they'll fucking kill the kids and like cut them stripped him open and then. They put all their organs in the freezer. Fucking freezer bag. Missed named mr bean has the heart. I don't remember mr bean movie. it's the park. No and he's supposed to care. Put this oregon. And he's supposed to deliver it. So he picks mr bean up. And mr bean keeps fucking like tossing around the heart and he fall drops it and it's all dirty. I haven't watched the mr bean movie. Fucking love mr. bean. I know is funny. If you love mr bean gimme a all right. So after the fuck to the banks collapsed distraught farmer decided to take his own life. Christ wold his name was christ. Sold a name said wolfe w. o. l. d. christ old so that's a bad ass name see methods at the time such as hang himself or using a gun instead christ dug a hole and then shoved the fucking spikes was rested. Hung himself on across. I'm joking in and do that. Shut the fuck not fucking. Just take that from the bible you. So this is hilarious. Christ dug a hole in the ground. Plays dynamite in the hollow and then the farmer struck his head with the open fuse to light the fuse and then like pretty much like struck his head with the open fuse. That's wire so how'd you try to head in in the in the open and then let the fuse so so we like let it in the knocked himself out so you want to run away. So that's the we're so he dug a hole took time to think about it. Weighs like fuck and hating his life and like talking about how much hates his wife and stuff and then he digs the hole and he lights it and like knox himself and then blows himself in this whole fucking weird way to do it stick of dynamite into a whole going to jump in the whole and hope that i blow up you probably would finds his arm and then she's like oh his penis and she makes a dildo and that's created. Yeah exactly dick in the early eighteen nineties. An epidemic ravaged the tower of black were falls as a result. Many children did die which subsequently caused schools to close. Thick kids laughed so a citizens also burned down houses of the sick in attempt to stop the disease from spreading the epidemic caused even more suicides and murders due to the the grief and pain caused by chill death of children and the panic that was caused by the deadly illness so they had a plague and you know what maybe we started doing this. Just light anyone that has covid. We're going to their house on fire. Yeah that sounds like pitcher. We'll start with billy's house vs positive all right so for proximity two days in out of luck man was given food and shelter by the right family when one of the children referred to the man as a tramp trump is right. Yes so like a point in a homeless man. That's what they called. Charlie chaplin the tramp that was one of his characters. He attacked them. Because no switch at tramp means. Isn't it a whore now. Aren't you a that's kind of what it. Yeah like a trashy horror. Yeah you're fucking tramp you know you are you you a ratchet as hell batch. That's what it is weird to talk with. This doesn't i said yeah le- in the trans jacket. But he was supposed to be the poor man's dog right like he's a poor dog. He's he's He's he doesn't have a home. He's homes dog. That's why he's the tribe cotton order go. Can you feed me some scotties skinny. He's so serious. The children called a tramp attacked them. Rant those thakur beat the share the fucking triggered so. He ransacked the house looking for money after he fled the home. The drifter wanted into a pond and then okay and then he shot himself in the pond. Which makes no sense. It's gonna drown. Can't hold myself. they're fucking. I know it's just weird that in just weird that he attacked them. The kids probably felt bad but he was looking for money. He ransacked the house looking for money and shit and made it called river in. I didn't river. I didn't have any. I didn't find any monies couldn't get any eight so i show up my staffing. The head black river could also be a term for. Oh i'm not going to central know what you're going to say don't say it was. Actually it's kind of funny. Because i was going to say a black woman ventral cycle as disgusting jesus. Traveling group of approximately fifty drifters swarmed. The small community. They invaded the sheldon farm. Wow and these are fifty homeless people that seem to travel in a pack. Like a pack of wild fucking wolves or dogs fifty of them which is fucked and they invaded this farm the sheldon forum and decapitated eighteen of the owners chickens. Let's see what the fuck. Fuck the farmer. Believing that satan had took control of his property. Burn the farm to the ground. The drifters however took the woods to enjoy their spoils so they enjoyed a bunch of chicken heads and carcasses. It's good it's chicken fire. I imagine them like fifty dudes like all with those sticks on their backs with the little stick in the hobo sticks so they have like the everyone's go with like fucking pack homemade cigarettes and shit is like fifty of them is marching to this farm like chicken chicken chicken chicken. Fuck we haven't chicken and oz so let's get back into these so many fucked up. Things happened in this town. Fifteen year old. Linda burger set fire a lot of fire a lot of fire stuff to her father's barn and house. The team sought revenge because her father fucked her in. The aim is no because her father had beaten her. For taking for for going the carnival. Her father had beat her probably severely enough for. She wanted major revenge as she went to try to enjoy a carnival when when a kind neighbor took her in her family. The girl lied or lyda. color. Linda lyda burger then. Set the fire to that property so somebody was being nice took her in and she led their fucking shit on fire are gone everything on fire fire so the vindictive teen continue to set more structures ablaze until she was finally apprehended and then confess the arson. She liked literally. Like was a pyromaniac. There is one one night. I knew father consumed a larger. Fuck a large amount of alcohol. And then he beat his infant. Oh my god. It's black five. Say drunk i. There's a baby there. it looks like punching bag. That thing couldn't even fuck it. Hit me try her slapping you hit me come out and you wanna fucking you all ages in this post job then tried to strangle his wife when she had just beaten the share this baby and then she tries to intervene like to drink. That is not a city our oh my god. I don't care how close you are you. Try to fucking punch. That is mind you will get like instantly. I will find chicken wire out of nowhere. Do hillbilly uppercuts. Y'all know y'all mother. Fucker will die two feet away from where you're doing that i'll stare by baby and be like i remember when this hurt you so fucking took care of it. The incident several others believe that had been fueled by alcohol in these ten. Because of this a town meeting was held and the temperance society strive to their fourth protect women from degradation and indecency like we've got to protect women from all these these alcoholic men beating them. Yeah that that's where women shelters came from. Yeah that's actually a really good thing too because like holy fuck dude. People got away with that shift for a long time a long time because they were scared to quit quite fun fact my cousins in jail right now because he beat nonstop actually fucking funny fucking beat the shit out of my ex girlfriend because he started dating her. Wow yeah he's like he's ten years older than me. I think it'd be dropping names name. I'm not doing her. yeah he'd beat the fuck it of her. Yes she he's been in jail for fuck. It's gotta be five years now. That's crazy and nelson like it was like holy shit. They've found all the regular just regular everyday is like a you either got a belt or something like something's wrong with him. Maybe got beat by somebody else. Did my my whole family's fucked yeah. We can quite clearly see that when we hear you talking dude. I'm super normal concern. Like i'm the guy looks at the rest of them going. You guys are fucking off the rail. So here's the disclaimer. Nobody beat your girlfriends or wives unless they don't put away the dishes properly. Then you have the 'cause here girlfriend or wife. I will come to your fucking house. Chickenwire your fucking neck. You say that. That's the biggest pussy. Move to like the the whole idea of it. I want to be strong. I'm going to feel powerful. Why don't you go fuck and fight someone your own fucking size and see if you can beat them stern even pick on a small man and you're like no he might. He might come back with that rather than every see. Now get older like if i need to throw down i fucking will put. It's it's there's a few times all you need is a good fucking punch in the understa to violence doesn't solve shit. And as i get older i realized that's just like it doesn't do anything. You just feel tough for a little bit. And it's just like the last time in branford. They're actually before. I moved to new brunswick were staring out and we could see across the street. Their past the wendy's you're talking about anyway. There's that little sidewalk there and i saw. We could see from the boston pizza window that this guy was just verbally fucking abusing. His girlfriend does air like right in her face. Me and like as bad tang and the one tiny girl manager that has a big mouth wanted the come along fuck this as soon as i saw. I thought that guy and i started walking. Everyone else is just staring out of the fucking window. Retards make you want to talk to your girlfriend like that. He's not he's he's like we're fine. We're fine we're just having argument and i'm like okay and like i look at her. Are you okay. And she's like yeah. I'm like he's like she's okay. I'm like i wasn't fucking talking to you like are you okay. Sagana my ira ready to fucking go. Yeah and and it is like is like it's it's like it never does really shit at the end. The fucking day obviously doesn't like that. That's a perfect example right there. That's all. I met by an acceptable reason to kick. Someone's fucking teeth off the curb but also you that like now like my dad jokes about like a bunch punch brothers like six brothers and one sister and he talks about these two kids up at the same time because he had like made fun of his brother or some shit and he's like went back then you just kind of fought and you proved yourself a little bit or you kick their ass and then that was it nowadays. I have that exact same story but the person that kicked up to people at the same time was my mother defending her brother. My mom's a champion is office. I ve been saying for years like ten years ago like with zero training. She could've went toe to toe with rhonda rousey and i would have been. It's fucking coins. He's gonna win. Fighting tactics of those are her stupid little tricks. She finds ways she's able to grab your hand like so swiftly knowing and dig so your first knuckle and the end of your finger and she'll compress it so the middle of your knuckle feels like it's going to snap in half and she can do it so fast so like no matter. How fucking big. No matter how tough you are if this little old lady gets her hands in that position. Your fucking droppings needs. There's no way out of it so just now. Police are always involved. Even if like if you if you lou say if you win then the person you beat up most times especially if they're younger is gonna call assault charge. You saw me or generate. New generation is such a bunch of flaky fuckers. Somebody just needs to fuck and take you take your looking. You look back and you're like why did that happen. Is that guy. Just deuce beg if he is then you fucking stand back and you try to keep winning. And if you're like our. I deserved take your fucking size line. Where he's if you fight me and you beat me. You're going to fight me every time you see me i will get this fucking back bud. Young boy named nestor pro dancer visited a hypnotist afterward. He couldn't speak louder than a whisper for four months. Oh shit no i. what's going on. I really thought working don't work very young. So medical examiner's. The boy was still under some kind of hypnotic trance which did not permit him to talk like am as loud as he wants. Had nassar remain essentially mute until the trans broke months later. That's fucking just. That's just a weird one. In general that is on that's really odd as slap them until he fucking shouts man back like freaking so young man called upon the woman he liked to ask for her hand in marriage but he was turned down enraged. This man shot her three times and then turn the gun on himself. Another man attacked and killed his wife and her family following their divorce. So this is a bunch of bidder. Men that have micro penis is in. Can't deal with it. I'm this place is so much trauma and tear in one small place even a lot. Smaller net released the document The documentary about the hotel. Which we mean billy did cover. It's a good episode of the guys who are go back. Yeah you should watch it. It's more or less about at lisa. Lamb the membership. That went missing found in the fucking god. I was debating if we should dive deeper in that. I think we covered it well enough on the hotel but shut it. You should check it out because it does go in the details and the footage is extremely creepy of her. Yeah go back if you guys are episode on. It's good shit all this weird stuff just so crazy. How much fucking weird shit is happening in this goddamn town so so around the same time all these fucking angry killing their wives and in there the woman that they like for some reason. It's like you don't want to you know you'd like you'd fucking called a girl a bitch and like greedy because you really liked or you're mean to her. I guess that would be more like four. We liked polar ponytail. Your back you see i remember. I remember having a crush on this girl in like grade. Five or six. I just kept giving her the finger through the books at the library in the library in the school. I for some reason seeing the finger not even not even teasing. Don't fucking look at me. It's like i actually like though this girl would've been so fucking terrified probably was so i was probably a little fuck man back then so around the same time won't back then ask for shit your lunatic teen bride to be jesus was at after her fiance left her so she she was about to be a bride. She was a teenager her husband or fiance left her. They're crazy and she went fucking nuts and eventually she took her own life similar to a fifty year old man who hung himself prior to signing his. Having to sign divorce papers. So we saw we like. He's like he's like tonight. I'm going to fuck kill myself. I can't live without this could what you want. Are you happy done. I'm saying. I hope you fucking smile. People are vindictive man like that is crazy. 'cause like people from the perspective of getting your heart broken like i get it. I get you think that that's going to ruin their life. You want to do it but like you're hurting yourself way more. I know way more than what you on that one that one episode never make feel like someone should stay. They've never force someone. Never was that word you use but like never never pressure someone to stay. I'm going to kill myself if you google. Oh shit you remember that. No because i'm like dude. You're literally just making life hell for both of you. You're living with a girl that doesn't love you. And i won't be that so i definitely did that when i was like thirteen. So you point. Like i definitely thought about getting to that point like there's been there's been times you have are sometimes a fucking crushes you. That last one was fucking like those. I have nothing to live for year. Last last break-up shitty one but yeah that's that's the that's the phone inside it doesn't matter you gotta look past that and that's so hard to see in the moment because there's so much better they're much better at one point So as break could be like a death if me and chelsea broke up. It's like winter for so long and you become so used to being around that person of cash and then once you break up and you're not supposed to ten. We see each other most breakup. Don't end in friendships. That just happens most times. It's never been ships. I fucking hate that. I'm still friends with my exes. And i'm like fuck that super fuck da. Those are girls that are horse. You know the but like that. In general it is an. I've done it myself. Like i met girls do that. I try to break up mike. I'm pregnant and they're like no. No almost was though i we had sex. I don't know i come in. I thought i wasn't gonna bleed but it could still be pregnant so the naked body of a housewife was found on the side of the road. Approximately six miles from the town like how they say housewife and not just. I had to be a housewife. Feel like remember. She didn't have a joke. But i feel like it was no like well. Yeah job was the fucking. Do the dishes the early nineteen hundreds nineteen. Actually okay. eighteen thousand nine hundred ninety. Nine thousand. Not not many your. Yeah so so. Make it body of this woman. This housewife was was found six miles from the town. Having recently lost a child. It was believed that mrs ira comes wandered away from home in a fit of delirium and froze to death only faulk. Oh she scary. The authorities believe she may have starved prior to coming to the elements freezing to death. Must be fucking horrible whereas like everyone knows. Actually you're canadian. Like you know those days where you took a walk and you didn't dress quite right and even i took. This has been the coldest week in canada thus far today it's bad it's not even that bad it's not that the year and it's still like holy fuck because i'm not used to it again like you come outside like i took my dog for a walk. We must've been outside for twenty twenty five minutes. I came home and hood and feel my fucking fingers or toes. My nose running my nose hurt. I know scabby old. We have bay doors at work. And just like mike taking off my coat. And then i got to put it back on like doing deliveries and keeping it s me outside them outside when the truck comes you go out there and you put them on the fucking truck by yourself with the door fucking closed. Its life is way more than everybody else is way worse i. I'm canadian and i'm not a fan of the cold. I it's not. I don't think anybody goes Minus thirty fuckers sites put people that love life. bogdanich boozy off snowboarding. But like it's still like. I got and just hope to god to boozing. We should've went. We should go to boozing next year every everything's off. Well this get drunk is shit and we'll find a fucking hill and push each other. Fuck dow's go to the mountains and down get on a snowboard. It's it's fun. It's really fun because you're used to be able to snowboard. I don't know if i hear something about that called to that. Nobody's real there from. Pardon me that's an. Nobody's noticed from other if you're from a warm area. Yeah when you get drunk and you go into an area. that's that cold immediately sober up. You're like i've fucking sober now like when you were somewhere like i remember like when we outside freezing in highschool smoking fucking crack out of a crack pipe is joking weed smoke a bowl weed and you'll be saying they're freezing and then wind like you don't feel that high but then when you walk into the school and it's warm you get like hit by this wave of like he and high instantly. I remember going to class home. Flaw got anything goes. This is when you're outside freezing. My nut sack off all right. So let's go to using sometime. We'll maybe filming. I'll push billy donahue chill. Mary sweeney claimed to have destroyed over fifty thousand dollars worth of glass. It was known throughout the state of wisconsin as though window smashed smash effect windows all day. Smashed windows fucking bone. I was fucking mother's womb up with glass. I'm the fucking glassmaker glass. Turn to more glass. I did that once and let me tell you. It's really fun. It's really undesirable. mashing windows. Yeah yeah we sue old factories not know. Somebody's house now. Exit car on yes. Don't admit that this shit fuck that shoot. I guess so. I remember that when you came to my house right after you did that. And we recorded a podcast. After on came in that. Guess what i did. She was the window smasher. Billy wrote a song about her. What's it called. You can listen to it why before the x. Oh yeah. That's the way i watch. There's a lot of fucking a lot of good treatments. Go give us so. Yeah since the pages we have the stranger podcast page. now has the valentine's day special washed. It it's fucking hilarious. Watch that shit. Joe is why after the ex. Yeah and so now. We have changed. So it's easier to find but you can look up. Tom cat kirby on youtube. And you will find that all our fucking music and shit. It's good shit. look it up. So this woman was always a winner smasher. She was a former schoolteacher. Who ran away from her husband and use cocaine liberally liberally. That means a lot. I assumed i assumed it meant like you had liberty in so you really doing it. The cat fainter. I stab dug in and this is okay. Yeah back then. It probably was but everything it's literally she's she's she's she. Snorts coke the way people smoke cigarettes every half an hour hours. He's doing fine. So fucking keith richards. Dead like fucking in like chris farley. Yeah we're gonna we're gonna do a famous death episode coming up soon. It's going to be where we started doing those little more often to because those are fun we are back in a serial killer soon for all you fuckers like the true crime. Yes so she liked to use cocaine noting that it quiet hers nerves. Cocaine could also make you fucking more nervous and paranoid. So sweeney was jailed more than one hundred times especially sent to an asylum. You're like this isn't working for you coming here. it's yours. wait until you get to do it again. Just larson right. Yeah a property damage show. It'd be like okay. you'll spend a week. And then she let her okay. Just don't do it again. this time. Third she suicide she leaves she picks rock and toxic tosses at the jail window. God sweeney. you've promised three you proudest. So let's get into the ending of this and we're the town lies today. Modern times the town of black river falls has a population of only three thousand six hundred. That's it. I guess so. It has came out really fucking. Smaller became acquaint peaceful haven because clicking isn't black river in riverdale like the tv series. I don't know i didn't watch. That child is show. I did know. But i didn't have that. It was pretty good. I enjoyed it but it was either way though. I think if i'm not mistaken it's been quite a while. I watched it but i'm pretty. Yeah i'm pretty sure they might be. There's shows korea for jail on every single thing. Like fucked up happens in the town. I think it's called black river You'd have to look that up no fucking way. I'm pretty damn sure i'm right about that. Actually we're so. It is kind of became acquaint peaceful haven for campers and hikers with many visitors who come here completely unaware of the dark and the dark curse malevolent history of this place. 'cause it is weird. That's what i was saying. The sees hotel. It's just it's like this. Please tell the way so. Many bad things just happened here and left an imprint. Like there could be a curse by the indigenous people that fucking got taken over. That's a lot of people's believe it could be an indian barrow ground. That could be a million fucking things of why. This causes curse. Yeah so yet of course was so much anguish and utter horror so concentrated one place. There has been numerous reports of haunting paranormal phenomenon phenomenon through through the town to this day and paranormal investigators make regular visits here. If we lived in the states. You probably go check it out. We'll eventually. I can't wait till i. Every border opens up will gather some money up and just fucking actually start doing haunted like next year with for halloween. I do want to maybe do a haunted walk. And billy will film and record it and we'll go to haunt to walk in niagara falls or hamilton. They'll be fine. It will do for fans we find shit so obviously street fucking horror and tara so much on here that there has been numerous reports of haunting stuff. So they have. obviously paranormal. investigator is come. There are more often than other places. One recent such account tip counts the typical activity. That happens in this town even to this day. And this comes from ghosts of america from a witness who says i moved into. My black river falls apartment a little while ago a year ago within about six months strange things start happening. My wife and i had an experience of feeling someone sitting next to us on the bed. In about a month ago. I was turning from my kitchen into the hall leading into the bedrooms when a face to face with the full bodied apparition of a middle aged woman shes He's a ghost of an old bitch. She vanished but i got a really good look at her. Nevertheless on another more recent occasion. I saw my cat staring at a place on the wall near the ceiling adjacent to the living room closet. I went to see what she was looking at. And i saw yellowish colored orb flowed across the ceiling and disappear into this said closet. The cat and west took your house. They so creeds would-be the cat then went to the closet and stared at the door. When i open the door she ran away quickly and the orb was no longer visible to me. Paranormal investigators talk. They always talk about or like learn today on ghost adventures. That's a better one. That's better. I like that one more that my god i feel like i'm possessed by spirit. There's carbs me. And here's the pledge sack baggins fucking huge douche bag to opposite dick. I am ghost adventures. Got like i don't know the ghost is attacking meets attached to me. Brel is like you don't even see anything and just having a fucking spasm moment ready fucker. I guess time We need to record that. Do my lungs starting to hurt. Don't give a shit stop vaping k. Guess what do you know who has more grammys. katy perry just cape perry grammy's brock obama. Barack obama has more fucking grammy's katy perry dust in saying why well it's like yeah. The president barack obama has one. Now two grammys in what in the spoken ward category i memoirs rap spoken ward while katy perry has many nominations and zero wins. So there's just park park the bronco. Like the president of the state says moore embiid grammy's thought receptacles. Yeah over yet. But did you skip over some. I thought you said you had more stories now. No those are all again. It's a lot of weird shit like there's there's ones reno guy bar shoots himself. There's a lot of those people dropped their kids. It's a lot of weird fucking shit. Though so here. I wanted a tomato okay. This is my other fact. I had a quick google search it. I'm so is a little bit stipulation. Here's a little bit of stipulation if it was true or not so i didn't wanna say as fact but i did read that the reason eyelash extensions were invented where by eighteen hundreds of pimp pretty much saying so so the working class women wouldn't get seem in the rise and i was like i was like i read that somewhere true but they might not be true. I was like shit a little bit too much separation on a call that my fact that one. I'm not guaranteed on but it's kind of neat to listen to if that is true. 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The 1963 Birmingham bombings Fifth Girl

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The 1963 Birmingham bombings Fifth Girl

"This post reports podcast is sponsored by facebook at facebook we continue to take steps to better secure our platforms. What's next? We support updated Internet regulations to set new standards for Data Portability, privacy and elections learn more at about dot FBI dot, com slash regulation. From the newsroom I'm the Washington Post. noon, this is to over Washington Post. Britain. This is Peter Jameson from the Washington Post reports. I'm Martine powers. It's Tuesday September fifteenth. Birthday. The story of the fifth girl in the Birmingham bombings. And an update on the officers charged with killing George Floyd. On September Fifteenth Nineteen Sixty three, a bomb went off in the morning at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in Birmingham and killed four little girls The bombing horrified the nation. And touched off calls to pass the nine hundred and sixty four civil rights act. We'll keep Marchin and margin and marginal one day. You'll look around and we'll all be Martin together. My name is Sydney Trent and I'm a local enterprise reporter at the Washington Post. Sydney is been reporting on this bombing that happened fifty seven years ago today four members of the KKK planted a bomb outside the sixteen th Street church in Birmingham four black girls died but it took decades for all four men to be convicted. The Sixteenth Street bombing has become central to the legacy of the Civil Rights Movement but Sydney chose to focus on someone who is often overlooked the one girl who survived. A lot of people are familiar with this bombing in it's remembered as pivotal moment in history. But you've gone back to talk to the fifth girl who is there the girl who survived what was it like talking to her about the story and and how did how did you even find her and why did she decide that she wanted to share her experiences with this? Well I had come across a very small story that a friend had shared with me. I realized said although I'm pretty familiar with the big events of the civil rights movement that I had not heard of Sarah, Collins Rudolph. And very intrigued that they were actually five girls in that rest from and that one of them had survived. It was kind of amazing to me fat her story wasn't publicized and so it was a natural. Story. To. Pursue. And so did you actually meet Sarah and person? Oh I did yes I went to Birmingham for about a week into Birmingham and then at Atlanta to hear her speak it is my honor and pleasure a privilege I'm shaking I'm nervous I don't normally get nervous this event was sponsored by the Greater Atlanta Black Prosecutors Association please welcome Mrs Sarah Collins Rudolph She's petite. Very soft. Nine. So I thought everybody but she has this power about her. It's partly the power for story and it's partly that underneath that reserve you know she has iron core that's kind of seen her through everything that she's had to experience. So walk me through what her experience was of that day and what she remembers from what happened. Well in a she remembers that her mother fix some breakfast and fix their hair to. Memoir Hammer mothers away about five o'clock. 'cause we ended well here. Is Your wife in more? Dran strata so we got it. Okay, and this was a time when people dressed up church, right? Yes. And that they were running late, one of her sisters had this little purse was shaped like football with a super and they were kind of tossing it back and forth. I we played it all the way to have such a good team. saw. We went into. It was too late to go to Sunday school so they gathered in the bathroom and they were just. Basically laughing and chatting the school year had just started and they were talking about, you know the teachers etcetera. At this point, it's a Sarah Collins Rudolph who is twelve addie Mae call ins her older sister who was fourteen Denise McNair Carole Robertson, and Cynthia Wesley. When They came out to start a game out altogether. These walked over to Ed. Edited session luxurious and just in win addy's arms outstretched. Say. Jeez. Because Sarah was standing behind them for some reason, she wasn't killed, but she had dozens of shards of glass ner is and she became permanently blinded in one eye and a church deacon came down and rescued her when you know. He he was gone calmed down. Stills. Step with. Brown. So. What he? Jumped down. They had A. In. He in. He seeing standing. Remarkably she was still standing in the middle of all of this smoke and destruction. She was actually standing she was she was actually standing in the middle of it. That's amazing. She was taken to a hospital, of course, in their famous photo in life magazine that was published on September twenty seven th of her in a hospital bed is covered with these large white patches of God sent her her lips are swollen and she's obviously you know fairy injured in that photograph kind of went around the world and A. Shocked the nation. and. What were the days like for her after that where I imagined she was grieving her sister grieving her her friends but also. Kind of becoming famous for for heading, survive this. She was famous for a minute you know and the that spotlight faded. You'd Schuster's left to cope with what had gone on? Even. We get? Any on compensation and Her family was poor. and. Her mother was in shock. She went from being a student to barely passing classes. She was crying every day over injury in the lots for sister. Is. On I didn't get an a counselor. I just went back to school. And the way to key is. They. They didn't within A. Busy me saying. She. was actually fairy scared to go back to church. She was suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, and of course you know they had. Pinpointed that disorder at the time, but that's clear. That's what it was and they tried to take her back to church a time or two, and she was just so shaken in paralyzed that they stopped going to church she wanted to be. A nurse and you know she feels to this day that he did that dream was kind of shattered with the bombing. I can also imagine that she might have had complicated feelings about the fact that she survived. You know that she was the one girl from that group who made it out of there. Yeah she didn't suffer from survivor's guilt. She didn't feel like something was wrong with her which was very interesting to me because sometimes people internalize these things but she thought that something was very. Sick and evil with white people who would do this but you know she affected her life you know she she was paralyzed by fear for much of her life. Will especially when you consider the fact that it took so long for all the perpetrators of the bombing to actually be brought to justice how didn't that part play out in her life and and contribute to her fears of like this could actually happen again if these people aren't in prison yeah. It took a very long time and she did go to. All of the trials, the justice was so. Long delayed you know almost forty years to bring all of them. To justice and that was very, very hard on her to feel like her sister and these girls had died and she'd been injured. And the nation didn't care enough to bring them to justice quickly. By my wife, say you hold on to The Hague and makes you look older? You'd be sick you got the hatred it's very important to Sarah and her husband, a torch Rudolph who is really her champion. You can't get to Sarah without going through George. Thing. Lose a lull one night there. Used to be angry. At even know scared and then look. Place in folks what? Probably to. And I only thing I did look like the song she wanted justice for her sister and now she wants. Justice for herself she feels like she has been. overlooked. And so how is he trying to find that justice for herself? There's a law firm here in TC. That has taken on her case pro bono. They've involve Senator Doug Jones of Alabama. From Alabama President, I ask unanimous consent to call off Corum call who was actually a prosecutor in the bombing. Suspects men who were convicted the bombing as many folks. No Bunny L.. A defining moment in my career as a prosecutor was bringing to justice to former Q. Klux Klansmen for the bombing of Birmingham. Sixteenth. Street Baptist Church in nineteen sixty three. That act of domestic terrorism. And that's exactly what it was an act of domestic terrorism. The whole world shook as people ask. How. Could this happen in America? The land of the free the home of the brave they're trying to get the state of Alabama to apologize sin to. Give her some kind of restitution for her injuries. And it's interesting. It's a very emotional issue for her. She does not she's not looking for so called handout, but it's the symbolism of it both the apology in the money it's like one alone would not be enough. and has a state of Alabama suggested that they might be willing to do that so far the state has not apologize and they have an offer to pay restitution and it's unclear what's going to happen in the future I? Think her cases well known enough in Alabama that they probably are aware. We're aware before the lawyers got involved and will just have to wait and see what happens. As he said, the bombing is remembered as one of the catalyst to the nineteen, sixty, four civil rights act and just the the shock and awe that happened after that is what made a lot of people reflect on the importance of the Civil Rights Act but how does that relate back to how Sarah views? What happened to her who I think you know you can look at it on two levels and I think she does I mean certainly she's she's happy that they pass the Civil Rights Act but she feels quite differently about the state of Alabama. You're. going. To. Fairly Sarah and her husband George emphasize the fact that what happened at the Sixteenth Baptist Church was inactive state sponsored terrorism and Bull Connor who was the police commissioner at the time Eugene bull was his nickname connor. was notorious for his racism and for his willingness to use police brutality against black sincere. He represented the government there and then you had George Wallace who in resisting the federal demands to desegregate. In Birmingham declared that what this country needs is a few first class funerals. So to Sarah. They were clearly. Aiding and abetting or egging the racism on which led to that bombing that killed the four little girls. So while you were in Birmingham you got to. The church were the bombing happened. What was that like? Oh. Well, let's hallowed ground. He know in his in a in a sense the churches is is a very beautiful large building. In. Birmingham. Woo I went with Sarah and her husband. Did you guys think of each other in high school Rescinded. Gone bad talk to me. Let he downloaded. She is in. Straight. Ahead and. Sixteenth street attitude. And she showed me, you know where the stairs were where the clansman hip placed the bombs didn't even know here gone. The bomb was under the steps? Okay. What he was Date Sunday September Fifteenth Nineteen Sixty to read at ten, twenty, two, a m. That's interesting that they have the exact time Dan o'clock stop. That's when the Oh the clock stop the bomb. The bomb when a bomb went off digital clock. And across the street, there is A. A sculpture of the four little girls. They got Garros Name. Got Serum. Mill spell wrong to begin may eat they got him a why So. When you think about series experiences and the trauma that she's carried with her over so many years what do you think that says about the legacy of so many people who were victims of racial violence well, I think that is partly why her story resonates right now because we've seen an increase in hate crimes and you we tend to focus on. the moment of the crime. and. We don't look at what. These hate crimes due to people what racism does to people? How these experiences reverberate throughout people's lives and I think Sarah Stories shows that there is this big moment of fame with life magazine cover you know, and then the spotlight moved away to other things and she was really left to struggle and deal with the trauma. She got no mental health support tour emotional support. and. Racism. Even without a hate crime. Can truly affect the course of people's lives. and. That bears remembering. Sydney trend is. Enterprise reporter at the Post. And now one more thing. I'm highly a national reporter with the Washington Post. I am temporarily based in Minneapolis where I am covering the criminal case into George Floyd's death. When the video of George Floyd's death went viral and may it sparked nationwide protests and calls for police reform and national conversation on racial justice but the criminal trial of the officers charged in his death is just getting started. The four former Minneapolis police officers charged in his death or Derek Shaolin Alex. King. Thomas Kaylene in into Tau and they were in court Friday for the latest tearing in the case as it progresses towards a planned trial date next March. This hearing was the first time that Derek show was in court in person, show van is the way police officer who held his knee on. Floyd throat. was sort of interested in was to see how he would interact with the other officers mainly because the prosecution wants to try them together. But the four officers say that they should have separate trials because essentially they're blaming each other for Floyd's death in court hearings in court filings attorneys for Thomas Lean and Alex King. who were rookie cops who had been on the force for less than a week have said that they tried to intervene with show. As he held floyd on the ground, Thomas Lane has said that he asked Chauvinism twice to see if they could should turn floyd over as floyd was complaining about his struggling debris and ultimately stopped moving and show them. Do Anything. Nave argued that they were adhering to what show then was saying because he was the senior officer at the scene he had been on the force for nineteen years and they basically painted their defense is saying that you know there were rookie cops who couldn't challenge a senior officer, which is something that prosecutors have dismissed saying they had. Responsibility to intervene with show then to get floyd turned over and off the ground. on the other hand to Tau and Dirk Show van who arrived at the scene few minutes after they investigation started have said that they arrived at a seam where they were basically playing supporting roles to tell was filmed sort of holding back bystanders and he's argued that he couldn't see what was happening behind him so that he shouldn't bear any responsibility for what happened whereas. Derek. Show van has has basically said that it doesn't matter that he was the. Senior officer at the scene that he arrived was playing a supporting role to king and lane who had been the first to encounter floyd and therefore weren't charge and had responsibility of the scene man in a court filing. He notably said that if they had handled the scene better if they had tried to escalate tensions with floyd as they pulled him from the car or if they had, you know done various other things that perhaps floyd would be alive today. Among us in the courtroom on Friday were members of George Floyd's family. They've had some presence at previous hearings but this time most of the family was there including their attorney Ben crump and they stood outside and really demanded justice me. One of the things that we've been seeing in this case is that the attorneys for the former officers are trying to make an issue of. George. Floyd's past behavior pointing to his past criminal history and also autopsy findings that found that he had drugs in his system to say that you know he didn't die of a neck restraint he died of a drug overdose and that he was a dangerous person and so they were really there to. Defend his character and say the only injustice that happened was the fact that he died while on the street begging for his life. Buffet died Madrid overdose. They say that he was. Tied floor. Though that's my body guys. Let me tell you. He's A. He's a father. He prayed. Pillar. Houston Texas. Everybody loves George where you're from and Minnesota the people. Minnesota to. Keep it. I. Got to know him. Goodbye George. He won't. He will want us to get his justice form an officer's saying that drug overdose Cureton that did not kill them. Alpha. By brother begging for his life. That's what I saw. We're expecting to hear a few more issues I'm coming weeks including weather. There will be separate trials including whether the case will stay here, but we're also going to be hearing more from the defense on these cases, involving Shelvin and pass restraints. And also, the question of how show trained Alex King and what he told him about how to run a scene and so this case is really just starting to get going. Holly bailing is a national reporter for the Post. The death, of George, Floyd has brought national attention to other recent incidents of people by police including the death of Brianna Taylor. A Young Woman in Louisville Kentucky who was killed by police after they entered her home in the middle of the night using a no knock warrant new officers have yet been charged in her death on Tuesday afternoon. The city of Louisville reached a twelve million dollar settlement. With Brianna Taylor's estate. The city also agreed to a long list of police reforms. This settles the Civil Portion of their case, but Brianna Taylor's family including her mother to Meka, Palmer are continuing to demand criminal charges for the officers involved. As significant as today is it's only the beginning getting full justice for Briana. We must not lose focus on what the real drive is. And with that being said, it's time to move forward. With the criminal charges because she deserves that and much more. Her beautiful. Spirit. And personality is working through all of us on the ground. So please continue to say her name. BRIANNA tighter. The case is expected to be considered by a grand jury soon. Who? That's it proposed reports. Thanks for listening. We Want WanNa, hear from kids about what it's like to go back to school online. If you're the parent of a young child who is learning remotely right now, we would love to hear how that's going whether your kid misses their friends, their teacher, their school, and if online learning stressing them out. Please interview your kid using the voice memo APP on your phone and email it to us at post reports at wash post dotcom and include what grade they're in and where you live. I'm Martine powers will be back tomorrow with more stories from the Washington Post. 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[Unedited] Alain de Botton with Krista Tippett

On Being with Krista Tippett

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[Unedited] Alain de Botton with Krista Tippett

"Support for on being with krista. Tippett comes from the fetzer institute helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world. Fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force for our lives a powerful love that helps us live sacred relationship with ourselves others and the natural world learn more by visiting fetzer dot org. I'm krista tippett up next my unedited conversation with writer and philosopher alana baton on the true hard work of love. There is always a shorter produced version of this wherever you found this podcast. Hello hi krista honor. U2 it's great to speak with you again. I don't know if you remember our conversation in my life. Excellent i'm glad to hear that I'm very happy to have you at the other end of the micr conversation again. I'm so pleased. And i've loved following what you're doing with the school of life. I'm actually speaking at the school of life in australia this summer. All you great. I hear fuel you. It's making such a mark. And i'm really grateful actually for what you're doing about to say. Nice thank lisa these days in your republic. Indeed they are and you're swell you make us now look like a site you know i know but i you know i think Well actually i. Let's talk. Let's start talking on the air because i'm afraid we might venture territory that maybe we shouldn't but anyway well i'm ready when you are okay. All right no. I just i i actually don't i don't think it's completely unrelated to what we're speaking in terms of in terms of you know human dynamics purely human diagnose under surface which is on the political surface looking pretending to be something else. That's very interesting. Is this going out Soon or in a long time. We'll just kind of sense of times this one. We are planning to turnaround turnaround critic quickly. Think now i'm just looking behind the glass. I think we're doing it for valentine's day. Goodness okay that makes yeah so very soon. Okay right now. So we're excited now. Just give me a sense of you know how topical or not to be. Yeah well you know we. We try to do everything Return to step back from you. Know what is just merely momentary anyway so Let's have a big conversation you know. Don't worry one much too much. All these things you know these these are gonna be with us for a while to well. That's true but but people get fed up and it's good to give them company. Yeah well what happened. That's what you do so well thank you. I mean what happened. Twenty minutes ago is going to be covered in a million ways. And and yeah. We'd people want people. I mean that's what you're working at two elevating And also deepening Okay so chris good all right great. Then let's just. Let's just digging so so. We did speak a few years ago but on a on a very different topic and i'm Really Excited to be speaking you with you about this subject which is So close to every life. And i you know as i as i've prepared for this i just have realized that you've actually i mean i knew that you'd written the novel on love a long time ago. But you've really been consistently attending to this subject and building your thoughts on it in your body of work on. It was really interesting to me. I mean you wrote on love at the age of twenty three Which is so young. And you're already thinking about this. So deeply i mean. There's i think this is the first line. Every fall into love involves the triumph of hope over in homage. So just kind of curious as we start about You know always. I was start my conversations. Whatever talking about about talking with the background of someone's childhood and you know you you've you have spoken and written about your childhood is one that had a emotional deprivation and there was a lot of trauma actually in exile in your in your parents lives. But how do you you know. What would you say about in the background of your life. You know you learned and internalized about love and marriage which made this at such a young age such a deep subject for you. I think that's one of the things that parents nice parents try to keep from that children is that life is in many ways. Bleak lonely and Brief and i think these are the sort of horrific truths that children are. Shielded from what we call a difficult childhood. Is i think one in which for whatever reason Some of these adult insights come a little bit too early. Perhaps when one's not ready. Then i think that anyone who's had that sort of childhood will react with in some way They will be an element of needing to go back and redeem something atoned for something Patch something up and for me. You know i became a writer. I think in order to try and understand emotional life in a way that when i was a child emotional motions Tub to me. And i think that you know when people say why did you become a writer and intellectual etc Can almost just have a very basic on. So which is it was a way of coping. i'm one of those people and you know there are many of us out there right when something goes wrong Was the first thing they want to do. They want to be alone. Probably with some paper and a pen and write stuff down and they may not even want have any aspirations to publish anything. It's just the most soothing calming redeeming thing you can do. And that for me. Was the origin of writing long before they were was such. A book publisher. There was the need to write because writing was consoling calming by interpreting emotions. I got a handle on them. And they seemed less threatening less Alienating that's hurtful yes and and i think you know. They're also many many many many of us which which actually is it is. It is logical implication of the way you write about the reality of love. Who had those difficult painful who had. Who had confusing and troubling experiences first experiences of what love and marriage mean and yet somehow And i think this gets at the larger context and points of the work. You've done on this. That thinking done on it. It continues to fly in the face so that we almost kind of negated and treat it as abnormal. The in the face of this the way we do love now as a feeling as an ideal Wait what what. What's striking is that our idea of what love is Our idea of what is normal in love is so not normal so avenue and so we castigate ourselves for not having a normal love life even though no one of seems to have any of these have been loved perfectly right right so we have this ideal of what love is very very unhelpful. Narratives of love. And they're in every way you know they're in movies and songs. We mustn't blame songs and movies too much. But we have the socialized account of what a relationship might be like which is simply hugely variance from most people's experience so most people experience themselves as in one way or another freakish in some way or other. They feel what's wrong with me. My love story supposed to be like this. In fact it's like that i think that art culture has an enormous role to play in nuancing the the stories that we tell ourselves about who we are and introducing complexity and ultimately compassion into these stories. Because let's not forget that a a caricatured story is at the end of the day. An ungenerous story a story. That's lacking in compassion. If you say They met they were happy and You know they live the whole life in bliss and that seemed to be the normal narrative of when jack meets joe. That's going to be strangely. Quite a punitive story. If you say to people look love is a painful. Poignant touching attempt by two flawed individuals to try and meet each other's needs in situations of gross uncertainty and ignorance about who they are and who the other person is. But you know we're going to do our best That's much more generous. Starting point the acceptance of ourselves as flawed creatures seems to me. What love really is You know it's interesting. Because i think we're wrestling in our culture with two contrasting ideas of love is the first few is that love is an emotion that is generated by perfection by something. That's amazing bhai very beautiful person. Exciting person intelligent person and then there's another few love is really the emotion that you bring to bear on what is flawed and what is imperfect That i love is at its necessary when we are weak when filling complete and we must show love to one another at those points. So we've got these two contrasting stories and we get muddled and also i mean you know. I feel like this. This should be obvious but you you just touched on art and culture and how that could help us complex. Fai our understanding this but But you also write about. And i think a lot about how we internalize so many of our of how a romance should develop and what it is to fall in love from understandably we internalize images from movies and wonderful. Tv shows and beautiful love songs And one of the things. You point out. you know about. I don't know. I don't know when harry met sally four weddings and a funeral one of the things. That's wrong with all of that is that they take us up to the wedding. They take us they take us through the falling And and and don't see that. I think you've written somewhere. He's at a wiser culture than ours of recognized that the start of a relationship is not the high point that romantic artisans. It is merely the first step of a far longer more ambivalent yet quietly. Audacious journey on which we should direct our intelligence and scrutiny. That's right. I mean we all we all strangely obsessed by the run-up to love and we all love story is really just the beginning of love story. But we'd leave that out and so but most of us we're interested in long term relationships. We're not just interested in the moment that gets us into law. We're interested in the survival of love over. We're learning for and yet of course that is the very tricky bit that most that gets very left out of art. I mean you can count on one hand. How many movies every decade Dealing with the non dramatic and let's face it often. It is non dramatic. It may be full of silent humiliation and pain. But it's broadly speaking a non dramatic movies and stories that that latch onto those Bits of life of very few and far between and you know to give you one example. I didn't you so richard linklater's before midnight. But that for me. Is you recent examples of really great movie that looks at what happens to a couple long term and it's not without tenderness and love but it's also full of well just you know it's it's human all too human. It's at times pretty frightening but we need to see representations of because all of us know our own lives from the inside but we know other people's lives only from what they choose to tell us and generally because they want to seem normal. They don't tell us very much. And so we end up feeling very isolated and i think one of the key jobs of culture is to d isolate us and to give us evidence of what life is like for other people so that we can feel Normal you and you're right that I that's one way to maybe understand why why story schweik cinematic storytelling often. It's hard to do this because he doesn't have. It doesn't have a dramatic external narrative arc. It's a lot of a lot of what you are pointing at the work of loving over a long span of time is in her work and and It'd be hard to film that. But you know i'm very intrigued. By how you talk about the ancient greeks and their pedagogical view of love. Yes because one of the greatest insults that you can level at a lover in the modern world apparently is to say i want to change you and one of the most. You know offended moments in relationships when somebody says. Are you trying to change me. And this is eunice absolutely the enemy of my goodness. I thought you loved me. But now i realize you're trying to change me so that means you don't love me and this look it. Sounds very normal. In our own time it would have sounded extremely unusual to the ancient greeks. The ancient greeks have view of love which was essentially based around education. That what love means. Love is a benevolent process whereby two people try to teach each other how to become the best versions of themselves anti. They're they're committed to increasing the admirable characteristics that the other person possessed an what love is the twist unchanging. You i yes. No absolutely. I mean and so the grief. Is you fall in love with the perfect things in another person with the accomplished beautiful things but then the work of love is to try and make more and more of a person accomplished perfect virtuous. That's what love aims at so love explicitly aims at change now you many relationships in that troubles could be analyzed as attempts by both people to teach one and other things but failing to do so miserably so many many what we call arguments really lessons that have gone terribly wrong and they go wrong really for two reasons. Firstly because the so-called in inverted commas teacher there. The person in the teaching role is so panicked so anxious and they're anxious because at the back of their minds. Think the haunting thought that makes people lose. Their tempers in relationship is basically the fear that they've married an idiot that they've ruined their life by being in the presence of someone who just to understand so they lose that temper so terrifying moments. When you when you start to understand what was it. What was that line on. Every every fall into love and vice lost triumph of hope over knowledge as the knowledge becomes more front and center That kind of you're right. It's that it the did the deterioration that ideal is can be terrifying. That's right so you so. People are trying to teach one of things but with impatience with anger with a sense of bitterness and meanwhile on up to probably that's right that's right and so that terrible ambassadors for their feeling. They're making a mess of it. And meanwhile the person on the other side in the so called. A pupil role in student role is beset by this idea that it. It's an insult. The whole game is an insult because it involves an attempt to change so both people are incredibly twitchy and angry and tense about the whole situation and the lesson goes nowhere. What you end with. Is you know bitterness. On both sides you get the person who rather than attempting to teach gently just attempts to impose their will in a kind of managerial and strict way and the other person just runs away in shucks and just doesn't want to listen just shots there is so that's what that's what relationships so often end up as failed teaching moment. There's your your most recent book on this subject is the course love which is a novel but it's a. It's a novel that. Actually i feel you kind of we've pedagogical narrator voice into it. Do you think that's fair. That's roy woven into the into the narrative and You know and so there's a there's a this is an example of what you're describing you. You say what point this is the relationship between Robbie and my footsie kirstin and You point their relationship is secretly yet mutually marked by a project of improvement. I think we all recognize so in fact we do have have this. This pedagogical instinct. But we don't think we're supposed to as you say and then there's this moment where you say after the dinner party. Robbie is sincerely trying to bring about an evolution in the personality of the wife. He loves but his chosen. Technique is distinctive to call karston materialistic to shout at her and then later to slam tours. That's right into coast by the time we already is that scene by the time. We humiliated someone. They're not gonna learn anything being only conditions as we know with children. The only conditions under which anyone learns a conditions of incredible sweetness tennis patients. That's how we learn but the problem is that you know. The failures of our relationships have made us so anxious that we can't be the teaches. We should be in there for some often. Genuine legitimate things that we want to get across Just you know come across as insults as attempts to wound and are therefore rejected and you know the the arteries of the relationship start to far simpler not recently said to me Curious about how you respond to this You know it was a wise jewish mother who had said to them Men murray women with the intention that they with the idea that they will stay the same women marry men with the idea that they will change. Which is obviously a huge generalization. But gosh it made a lot of sense to me. Even in time and live and in terms of what i see around me. The i mean i i would. I would argue that. Both genders wanted to change one another and they both have an idea of who the lover should be Right and i think a useful exercise that sometimes psychologists level at feuding couples as they say things like if you could accept the partner would never change. How would you feel about that. And the idea is to bring about kind of forgiveness because so often what gets us. Both you know feeling desperate but also excited about changes. The sense it could be different. Sometimes pessimism certain degree of pessimism can be a friend of love You know one one except that actually. It's really very hard for people to be another way With sometimes ready you know we. We don't need people to be. Puffing is the the good news we just need people to be able to explain their imperfections to us in good time before. They've hurt us too much with them and and with a certain degree of humility that that's already an enormous sit a lot to ask but it's so it's also it sounds reasonable right if we could really have that in our minds early enough on in a relationship that's right And almost from the first date you know my view of what wants to talk about on a first date is not showing off not putting forward one's accomplishments but almost quite the opposite. I want should say well how you crazy. I'm crazy like this. I and there should be a mutual acceptance to damage. People are trying to get together because pretty much all of us. They're totally healthy people but pretty much all of us reach dating age with you. Know some scars some wounds and because the more we know about them in the more were able to introduce the topic in kind of non pejorative non agitated way The more success will have. But we operate it you know. It's not a coincidence. That people in the early days of love call each other angel You know we've got this sort of day t this sort of secularized daddy Who is our love Who then turns out not to be such a thing and we rage in rent. I mean look. A lot of this comes from Ideas that we haven't childhood when we children Parents can sometimes seem like supernatural creatures that they have powers way beyond anything we have they know all sorts of things etcetera and sometimes we we bring to adult relationship some of the same hope a young child might had of their parent and of course an adult adult relationship can't be like that it's got to accept that the person across the table Or on the other side of the bed is just human which means full floors fears etc. And not some sort of superhuman. Yeah i think that that question that you could be a standard question on an early date. And how are you crazy. It's there's also something that you're getting it that i it almost seems like we. We must be hard wired to do this. Although you know one of the wonderful things we're learning in the twenty first century so we can change our brains but the that the way you say it in on love in a scene and on love is oh actually. Just look at it. You know that you know boy meets girl and and you start to you. Start to be enamored and in details of this of this of this new person and find things in common like. I don't know both of us had two large freckles. On the total and then he will you know instinctively in. This happens very quickly. He teases out an entire personality from the details. But also i you know also what i know from my own life is you tend to I think we we we we when we fall in love another person. We magnify in our minds. Those things that are immediately enraptured thing and and craft our idea of the other person almost exclusively around those wonderful qualities which is not fair to them or us. That's right and you know we feel in a way that we know them already. And we know we impose on them. And i don't we don't we don't which also explains another phenomenon that i'm fascinated by noticed in in both novels Is the phenomenon of of being an assault of sulking. Because sony is a fascinating which takes you right into the heart of sutton romantic delusions. Because what's fascinating about sulking that we don't sulk. With everybody we only get into sulks with people that we feel should understand us. But rather unforgivably haven't understood us so in other words it's when it's when we are in love with people and they're in love with us that we take particular offense when they get things wrong because the the kind of the governing assumption of the relationship is this person should know what's in my mind. Ideally without me to tell them. If i a spell this out to you you don't love me and that's why you'll go into the bathroom bolt the door and when your partner says is anything wrong you'll go uh-huh and the reason is that they should be able to read through the bathroom panel into your soul and know what's wrong and that's such an extraordinary demand and we we see it in children. I mean this little children behave. They literally think that their parents can read their minds. It takes a long time to realize that the only way that one person can really learn about another if it's explained to them preferably using words micom words people people say communicate. I mean you have to be generous towards the reasons why we don't and we don't because we're we're operating with this mad idea that True love means intuitive understanding. And you're like crazy. Who people say things like i met someone you know. The loveliest thing is they understood me without meeting to speak so many alarm bells. Go off when. I hear. Because i think okay well. Good luck for good luck in this instance. But you guys get together. That's not going to go on forever. No one can intuitively understand another beyond quite limited range of topics. Right your your children. How old are your children. They're still pretty young right Yeah the ten and twelve okay. Yeah so i you know as the as a now on that. I have young adult children. It's you know you you when you hear that coming out of the mouth of your twenty one year old you know he should he should know i should just know and but i also i also what i also know is that grasping this what you're talking about his. It's where it's it is the work of life right work of love you know but it's interesting that that know you mentioned in your children and children generally because i think the is. It sounds eerie. But i think that one of the most one of the kindest things that we can do with our love is to see them as children and not not infantilized them when we're dealing with children as parents as adults. We're incredibly generous. In the way we interpret their behavior and if a child says if you walk home and a child says i hate you right you mmediately go okay. It's that's not quite true. Probably they're tired hungry. Something's going wrong somewhat. The two-thirds something we looking around for a benevolent interpretation. That can just shave off. Some of the more you know depressing dispiriting aspects of their behavior. And we do this naturally with children and yet we do it so seldom with adults when an adult meets an adult And they say you know. I don't know i've not had a good day. Leave me alone Rather than saying okay. I'm i'm just gonna go behind the facade of the depressing that that's actually not about me. It's about what's going on right side them right right exactly. We don't do that. We take in all completely personally. And so i think you know the work of love Is to try when we can manage it. We caught always to go behind the front all of this rather depressing challenging behavior and try and ask where it might have come from. I mean this is. This is traditionally in christianity. This is what god does Goads looks behind the the the dispiriting surface of someone you know someone is an alcoholic a prostitute. An ordinary people shun them. But you know. God's love looks behind the scenes and we find this in in literature to think of dostoevsky's characters. They are often very damaged people. Gamblers alcoholics a murderous but the the skill and the love of the novelist is to take you behind. And show you what lies behind that behavior and i. We can't do it every day but at least to know that is an important part of what love is. Love should be love. Is doing that work to ask oneself west this come from whereas this rather aggressive pained non-communicative unpleasant behavior comfort if we can do that. We're on the road to to knowing a little bit about what love really is. I think You know. I'd love to talk about your e. E you use this word pessimism a little while ago and i'd love to. I'd love to dig into that a little bit more in. what what. You're what you're really talking about is is this is is is is being reality based As opposed to buying a ideal based There's a beautiful video that i've i've shared. That's out there called the thing. It's darkest truth about love Is that right. That's the title. Yes that's right exactly. Yes yup. I like to talk through. You know some of these core truths that fly in the face of this way we go around behaving in. That movies have taught us better. Parents taught us to behave core truths. It can put us on the foundation of reality. Yes that's very useful. We can just granite. I mean look what the first important truth is your crazy Not all of us that all of us are deeply damaged people. The great enemy of love good relationships could friendships is self righteousness and self righteousness rooted in a sense of our own purity if we start by accepting that of course we only just holding it together and in many ways. Really quite people you know. I think if somebody thinks that easy to live with that by definition going to be pretty hard and don't have much of an understanding of themselves. I think certain wisdom that begins by knowing of course you like everyone else is pretty difficult and for this knowledge is very shielded from us. Our parents don't tell us or ex lovers. They knew it but they couldn't be bothered to tell us. They sacked us with by the time. They tell us where we're dismissing. What they say. Well that's right. That's right suite. You know they didn't. They didn't want to reform us. They they would just wanted to get out so they didn't tell us and i'll friends know. Tell us because they just want pleasant evening with us so we left with a sort of You know bubble of ignorance about our own natures and often you can be way into your forties before you're starting to get a sense of. Oh well maybe you know maybe some of the problem is in me because it's so often. It's so intuitive to think that of course it's the other person so to begin with that sense of you know for whatever reason things to do with childhood and development etc. I'm quite tricky in in these ways. That's a very important starting point for being good love. The other thing of course is to realize that anyone that we could get together with is also going to be deeply flawed That there is no such thing as a perfect person. And i think the essence of romantic longing is this belief that someone out there. Maybe you saw them at the airport. Check in line. Maybe you you cross them in the supermarket. Maybe you saw them when you were swiping left or right on on the app but that somewhere out there there is this extraordinary feature called the right person and the right person is going to be someone who understands you. Who's on your side who is You know extremely benevolent towards everything that you are and feel and want And they're out there and it so often. We blame a lover's we don't blame off you of love. And so we keep sacking lovers and blowing up relationships in pursuit of this idea of love which actually has no basis in reality. It's simply not rooted in anything we know. I mean it's right person. This creature does not exist and is in fact the enemy of good enough relationships. You know i'm really fond of donald win this english psychoanalysts term which he first used in relation to parenting. That what we should be aiming for is not perfection but a good enough Situation and it's wonderfully downbeat in a. No one would what are your. What are your hopes this year. Well i just wanna have a good enough relationship. People go on. I'm sorry life's a grim but you want to go. No that's really good. That's that's kind of for human that's brilliant. And that's that's i think the attitude we should have. yeah You you know one of the starkest truth about love you know. You said the idea of love in fact distracts us from existential loneliness You know you are irredeemably alone. You will not be understood but also behind. That is the right. These are as you say that these are dark truths but it's also a relief because the truth always ultimately is when we if we can hear it That again that is. The work of life is to recent strike. I mean what goes on inside us. I think one of the greatest source we sometimes have in in love is the feeling that i'll love doesn't understand parts of us and to this sorrow and it is a story. Let's not make any bones about it to this. We add another layer of sorrow. Which is the feeling that. This sorrow is unnecessary. And so we say you know. They don't understand my taste in movies. There's a moment when i'm chatting to my mother and they don't understand how i feel. Oh they don't understand some of my aspirations about work etcetera and we we blame them and we see and of course there are always going to be people who understand though sides of us but there is no one who can understand every side of us and feel in total congruity with our own feelings and so you know at at many points in life and with simply not going to be understood and a certain kind of bravery a sudden heroic acceptance of loneliness seems to be one of the key ingredients to being able to form a good relationship that if you expand that interested your love and south of course if you're expect your lover must understand everything about you you will be. You'll be furious pretty much. All the time You know th they're islands and moments of beautiful connection But we have to be modest about how often they're can happen. I think you know if you're lonely with only i don't know forty percent of your life. That's really good going You may not want to be lonely with over fifty percent. But i think the certainly a sizable minority share your life. Which you're going to have to endure without eco. From those you love. Yeah yeah. I debated over whether i would discuss this with you but i i think i'm single right now and have been for few years and and it's actually been a great joy Not that i think. Mrs sarah you know not that i think i will be single forever or want to be single forever. Although actually i think i've i think i would be all right if i were. You know which is a real watershed And i'm you know and also what this part of this chapter of life has taught me to really enjoy more deeply and take more seriously all the many forms of love and life aside from just you know the romantic love or being coupled. It's funny because you can just say. Yeah yes i mean just as you were saying. I'm single i was about to. You're not because you know we have to. We have to look at what this idea of single hood is. We've got this word single which captured somebody who's not sandwiched long-term relationship and you know another way of looking at lavas connection. We're all the time you know. We are hardwired to seek connections with with others. And that is in a sense at a grandma. What love is love is connection and we can connect in all sorts of ways that go far beyond the understanding of of of a relationship so you can connect with a book with a long dead person with an idea. These are all forms of connection and insofar as one is alive and one is in in a buoyant relatively buoyant spirit. Some of the time. It's because we all connected and you know we can. We can take pride in in a flexible. Our minds ultimately are about where that connection is coming. We don't necessarily need a relationship. And i think it's also worth saying that you know for some people relationships not necessarily the place where they encountered their best selves. That actually you know. The person that they are in a relationship is not the person they want to be Or that they can be in other areas of life that they feel that. There's there are other possibilities that they'd like to explore and you know i think getting into a relationship with someone asking someone to be with you as a pretty cruel thing to do to someone that you love and admire and respect because the job is. The job is so hard most people fail it. You know when when when you also want to marry you. For example you're asking someone to be your chauffeur co host Sexual partner co parent fellow accountant mop the kitchen floor together et cetera et cetera. And on and on the list goes no wonder that we fail at some of the tasks and get irate with one another. It's a it's a burden i think. Sometimes you know the older i get. Sometimes i think one of the nicest things you can do to someone that you really admire is leave them alone. Just just let them go. Let them be your. Don't impose yourself on them because some because you're challenging. I you know i. I'm glad i'm glad we walked into this territory because it Everything you're writing and thinking about love Is really about the human enterprise right. And it's really about growing up as a human being or aspiring to do that to the course of one's life and so and what that means you know. One of the things that means is that that this conversation is open to people wherever they are in terms of what their love life is right. I mean that we are this. Is the path where all on and that's right forms of love and growing up in our lives. That's right and you know i think growing up i mean look. Let's be honest here. Growing up sounds horrible. It sounds really dull One of the most awful words in the language is maturity. That sounds horrible. I mean one of my incidentals try and slightly rehabilitate and lend new prestige to maturity. Because i think one of things that we must all strive for is to try and be mature it will never quite get there. But it's a wonderful goal and of course when it comes to emotional life Will giving so little encouragement to try and get that you know we insist on. Finding this is something that my way might the new novel. The cost of is really all about this. It's it's about two people who realize ultimately that love is not just a feeling and emotion and intensity of of heart. It's it's actually a skill and it's a skill that an sounds very odd that can be learned and and it sounds bizarre. I mean the idea of having to go to school to learn love it. Just y- everything about us and we live in a romantic age an age that believes in the reign of feeling. I mean we believe in training to become a pilot or brain surgeon said. I'm going to train to be a better lover. I mean you think it was eerie And yet of course that is precisely the sort of training we need an an oddly and it sounds well as we so unromantic but there are there are things we know about why couples break up about what can help a relationship etcetera. These things are not mysterious. You know for example. One of the key things that we learn we should apply intelligence to this aspect of our life. We apply intelligence to our other disciplines in our other. I mean one of one of the basic things that you learn. Is that when somebody says. I've gone off my love. Let's say somebody say a relationship is cool sexually with taught by culture to think well that's just the waning of passionate mysterious things like sort of removal of some divine force. And there's not much to do other than you know. Watch tv and there's nothing much you do and what immediately happens if you talk to a psychologist around. This is that they will tend to say that the decline in desire It's roots in anger. That almost certainly the person that you no longer desire. You're angry with them. Why are you angry them. Because they've let you down and they've let you down in ways that you haven't been able necessarily to even acknowledge yourself let alone convey to them in a form that they can understand and therefore the channels of feeling of become damned and without understanding quite why the thought of them touching you has become repulsive and you just you just wanna read a book and to to know that the skill of knowing okay. Maybe it's not that you've lost feeling. Maybe it's your furious but you've psyche forgotten. Why because you were injured not by a large thing but by a small thing because when we're in love we're all quite defenseless and so we get hurt by very minor thing. Let's things that seem very mine and then we tell ourselves i i'm serious adult. How could i be hurt by the fact that he or she forgot to ask how my day was. Hasn't checked my toenail for bruce or something. Yeah we think oh. I'm beyond all that but of course we're not when it comes to love with big and brave people in the outside world but in love where we've got the defencelessness of children and yet we don't face up to that and therefore we get Your defensive and cold and avoidance around our emotions which we can't convey to the other person so that's just one example of the curriculum. We should all have if we sat down and and took a course in love. Well also ask a lot about how the language and vocabulary we have around. This is so impoverishing and it actually points in the wrong direction. I mean it especially the language of falling right. I mean that is the way that is always word. We use falling in love falling out of love. There's no there's no intentionally. There's no agency in that. I mean i think a lot. About how the greeks you know had have different words. We we also collapse all of it into this these four letters in english and there but in other languages there's arrows. There's a got bay. there's philly there's there's a meta in the polly. I also like how you use. Say there's one word but there are two aspects of it and and and and these are being loved which is often what we talk about. What were you really mean when we say what we're looking for right that's fine. There's loving that's right in the the the crucial differences mosque between them and one's a lot tougher than the other and and generally we much keener on loved than an extending love. And but you know it's interesting what you're saying about falling in love because absolutely right that we've we've got this notion that it's sort of mysterious state we don't understand why so there's that i walked into the bar. There they were. i fell in love. It was like was a lightning bolt and again. Let's listen to what we've learned over the last few decades On within that. Let's say the last hundred years we really started to understand that it's such a basic. It's psychology one. Oh one But one of those basic insights is the way that we love as adults is very shaped by the way we learnt to love as children and the when we whereas we tell ourselves that what we seek in love is happiness really what we seek in our relations very relationships very often his familiarity sense of recreating a tone of love that we knew as children and unfortunately for missed all of us. The kind of love that we knew as children was not not purely focused on on happiness and contentment. It contained within it some pretty interesting at times. Pretty damage dynamics with very often. We seek again to recreate in The loves of adulthood. So you often get people who meet each other and then they'll say something like well you know. He was a really nice guy she was. She was wonderful But unfortunately i didn't feel right. I didn't really you know they want that exciting and really. What we're saying is probably our unconscious saying i didn't sense that they were messed up enough that they were trouble enough to appeal to the signs of my character that need love to come connected up with certain forms of suffering. I didn't think that they were gonna make me suffer in the ways. I need to suffer in order to feel that love is real. This sounds pretty strange. Pretty challenging but all of us. I think do carry within us A sort of. We're not free to love anyone. We love maps. You know and not not. Everybody is on the terrain so an ending was interesting things about loving. We say things. Like what i. I'd like them toll or they need to have green eyes. I like them in their musician or something but but dick beneath fat. It's the psychology of our partners. That are so fascinating you know. Criteria and those criteria require difficulty. We don't feel it's real until and unless we feel a certain kind of resistance to some of our more consciously determined goals in love right because it because unfortunately most of that is happening at the unconscious level as well. That's right and we you know. We don't begin to understand Our own pathway. To love we come. We come to love. You know. I mean we you know we all know people who will keep falling in love with really arduous. You think this person you know. She's so beautiful. She's stern telling he's so nice he so this an why are they always going for this sort of situation and we think it's mysterious and the truth is it's not it's just a little bit complicated and involves understanding the evolution of love in somebody's personality but again you say that people and they say well that sounds terribly unromantic would good because the romantic is the enemy of love right right. But that's the cardinal rule breaking the rule of the way if it sounds unromantic. You'll probably on the right. Track is my. that's good. I want to read your this definition of marriage. That you you've written in a few places. I think it's wonderful. Just talk about this. Marriage ends up as a hopeful generous. Infinitely kind gamble taken by two people. Who don't who don't know yet who they are or who the other might be binding themselves to future. They cannot conceive of and have carefully avoided investigating while yes it's challenging And it's certainly contrary to the romantic view but again this kind of realism will Acceptance of complexity i think is ultimately the friend of love and some people say to me. Oh you know is it. Just all about reducing. Our expectations and love isn't isn't nice at all and i think no. It's more trying to find a way to our expectations are not wrong. Our assumption of how we're gonna get and reach. Our expectations are fatally flawed. We don't think we're gonna have to do any work in order to get there and that's wrong. I mean look it's also worth adding. I don't believe that everybody should stay in exactly the relationship that therein and any relationship is worth sticking with that in a way. The fault is always the fault of the lovers. If it's not lovers if it's not happy You know there are legitimate reasons to leave a relationship. And i think the moment to leave a relationship is when you can really if you ask yourself where the problems in my love and my life coming from and if you can sincerely hand on hot point to the partner and go it's really them you know the things that are difficult really them then. You should definitely leave. If when you're really being honest if you ask yourself why pain and you can't necessarily attribute all the sorrows that you're feeling to your lover if you recognize that some of those things are perhaps endemic to existence or endemic to all human beings or something within yourself then what you're doing is encountering the pain of life with another person but not necessarily because of another person and therefore probably unbalanced. You might stay because you'll encounter the same problems elsewhere after a lot of turmoil angst and probably cost so that be the way i would separate the staying with the leaving of it. Yeah there's also this very poignant thing about us this the point out that it it's related to what you said a minute ago that we kind of we are unconsciously looking for what feels familiar from childhood and the fact that In this i think that you stated this pointedly in this in the new york times piece Y y you will marry the wrong person which got set. We'll talk about that. Got such a hit such a huge readership but we marry the wrong people because we don't associate being loved feeling happy which is in the face of all the ideas we have right. It's admits it's this huge chasm between what we believe and and how we actually function and it's so sad. It's a sad thing about that so many that many of us had don't associate being loved feeling happy Or other research with partial salts of You know happiness but but also we want withdrawn to certain sorts of trouble because that's how we first encountered love and childhood is a long time and we're very defenseless in childhood in front of the people who are around us and so these things dig deep into our personalities. We're heavily imprinted But i think you know. I don't think most of us ever really chainsaw types. But what we can do is change the way we respond to the difficulties that types create for us because often are types. We've learned to respond to our types in ways that we learned in childhood and therefore they bear the imprint of an original immaturity. So that if somebody you know Is a little bit distant with us. Our response is to sulk and withdraw. Let's say Whereas actually You know an adult responsibility to say. Look i'm hurt and explain and account for it and you have communication around it so We can learn or you know an early response to allow that. We think is to floored is to be humiliating towards him and attack them and be quite cruel was actually we might learn the art of couching our criticism in in gentler way so i think that there is a capacity we will have to evolve. I don't think we can be radically rewired but we can. We can come to see that many of the ways in which we respond in love were formed in early childhood before we really had a sense of what on earth was going on and was still continuing to use those. I quite basic responses Retreat attack violent attack Sulking retreat center. We we still do that. Within the context of adult life even though we mature lots of other areas. We're still fighting the battles with the tools of childhood and one of the things we can do. I think is just evolves tools. Respond differently you. You'll still feel hurt but maybe you can respond to that hurt in slightly more adult way you'll still get angry but is there a way of channelling the in a more adult way because you know you're a big guy now so you can do it in a different way And i think giving giving ourselves the credit that we can learn new techniques to deal with the feelings that we used to deal with in in such an immature such a childlike way. And because we have that power in fact Mean that you say that that is why did you conclude that the good news is it. Doesn't matter if we find we've married the wrong person that in fact is not the greatest task Or the most impossible task you know. So i the new york times asked me to write this This article about marriage. So i ended up writing this piece which which i titled y you will marry the wrong person and what i meant by that is That the person you marry will not be. Mr mrs right as defined by romantic culture and that the idea of rightness is in fact the emperor and that when you marry the wrong person what you're really doing is marrying a human being and that's fine because that's what we are as well and that's not a problem so in fact the wrong persons okay And in fact it's the right person who's the trouble one. The vision of the right person is the one that gives us so much grief and set to soften all sorts of chimerical janis that lead nowhere. And and and you you you know i think i think either. You're making this argument that especially for americans Who like things to be clear If i can intrude. I think less less. Lovely country I think you like things not so much to be clear that as well but also to be hopeful hopeful right and i agree with. I'm an american in this respect to. But i think the true hope has to be grounded. I call myself a cheerful pessimist. I think and. I think that there's sentimental optimism which ultimately leads to cynicism and despair the flip side of sentimental optimism is cynicism and despair. And i think that sorry. Yeah well no but for example. I mean you you know. You are in fact arguing as you said before some marriages are meant to end. And there's you know there's certainly reasons for marriages to end or to end marriages but you also point out this this kind of you know this very contradictory fact that You know well there's a miracle that later but the the The the the the thing that's ultimately wrong with adultery as a as a just as an easy out to what's going around the marriage is that it is based on the same idealism that it's that certain issues of marriage are based on. Go wrong that's right in a way that you just redirecting you hope elsewhere and and Imagining this is the perfect one. Right this is the one person who won't with him. He won't ever be lonely again. Who will understand your completely. That's right that's right and so it's You know on and on the the cycles of of heart continue so we should. We should be castle Something that's something else. You name about marriage that. I is not often enough just named that. We spoke a little while ago. Bet children coming into marriage and and And of course children teach us so much. I mean one thing. You said it's beautiful. The children teaches that love in its purest. Form is kind of service The the love we have for children. I mean i certainly knows it myself. I love that i have for. My children has changed me and it is it is it is distinct from all the other loves i've ever known But also that. The children are hard on marriages right and independence in sports. I also from for. I think in on a on a deep you know on a more complicated level if there are problems in a marriage That can get amplified when children. There's also partly just because you offer tired right. That's right you know it's interesting. I mean in a way. There's a lot of mundanity in relationships. And one of the things that romanticism does is to teach us that you know. The great love stories should be above the mundane. So you know. None of the great nineteenth century novels about love. Does anyone ever do the laundry. Does anyone ever you know pick up the crumbs from the kitchen tables anyone ever you know Clean the bathroom It just doesn't happen because it's assumed that what you know what makes or breaks love just feelings passionate emotions not day-to-day wear and tear and yokels. When we find ourselves in relationships it is precisely over these areas that conflicts arise but we refuse to lend them the necessary prestige. I mean let's remember that we get angry and frustrated. Not only when things are difficult not principally when things just difficult. We've got angry and frustrated when the difficult and we don't believe that the difficulty is legitimate and we haven't prepared for the difficulty and so therefore you know i mean there's there's no vicious as when two people are arguing about something but both of them think. The argument is trivial. So they'll say things like why i mean it's just it's absurd. We're arguing over cruise. Should hang up the towels and bathroom. That's for stupid people. Yup and and you know that that's going to be trouble because they have no respect for the argument having to have no respect for the things that are making life difficult and so we need in a way. One of those sort of you know one of the lessons of is to lend a bit of prestige to those issues that you crop up the crop in love like who does the laundry. What day we russia over these decisions and then get very bad tempered About them because we don't see them as part of the we don't see them as legitimate. We don't we think it's fine but they are there. I mean as you say that that there's a lot of life that is the stuff of right. It's the stuff of of our days. I mean you know we also talked a minute ago about How we you know parents Work very they're very you know. Kind of instinctively intuitively generous with With their children in terms of being you know trying to interpret constantly trying to interpret the maximal generosity. what's going on beneath in often difficult surface but then but then everybody but but you don't necessarily apply that same generosity to your partner right and so i mean there's this wonderful line from the course of love About this to parents of children the tired child inside each of them is furious at how long it has been neglected and in pieces. That's right and you know in a way It's it's so funny my life. I can be indiscreet on a My wife's used to say to me in the early days of our marriage is sometimes would say to me things like my father would never have said something like the I would say something. Or i'm you know it's not my turn to make the tea or something she'll get my father would never said it he he he would always do this for us and then i had to point out that there was really a she wasn't comparing like with like the twist comparing this man father as a father but not as a lover and in the end what what is say to her did an update to her was in a way. I'm probably behaving exactly like your father but just not the father that you saw when he was around you because one of the things towards your mother. That's right exactly exactly. That's one of the things we do as parents is to edit ourselves which is lovely and away from children but it gives children a really a natural sense of what you can expect from another human being because we never is nice too probably anyone else on earth as we ought to children so we we raise these people they understand love from the example that we've sat they then go out into the world and find lo and behold men and women that they meet rea- quite different from the template of love. They've they've seen it you know. Oddly the person that they loving is quite tired and when they're tired they get a bit grumpy and they don't speak and you've tried to awesome cook dinner and they didn't and none of this. They've experienced with their parents. Maybe i'm this is. This is the cost of good parenting. Yes yes you know. I'd like to go a slightly different place with all of this. The things you've been saying pointing out about how love really works that if that if the humiliating somebody doesn't actually that people don't learn when they're humiliated that self righteousness is a is an enemy of love I i'm thinking a lot now. These days about how and if we could apply the intelligence we actually have with the experience of not the ideal but the experience of love in our lives to how we You know Can be as citizens moving forward where There's a lot of behavior in public speaking for the united states. But i think they're forms of this in in the uk as well We're kind of acting out in public the way we act out at our worst in in relationships You know. I think that's fascinating. I think you're onto something huge an rather counter intuitive because we associate the word love with private life. we don't associated with life in the republic with with civil society. Yes but i think that a functioning society requires well two things that can sound very normal but they require love and politeness and these sound like very odd virtues to be advocating for the citizen. And we don't really have them at the forefront of our kind of ideas about about how to live as a citizen. But i think they're they're absolutely key by love i mean a a capacity to enter imaginatively into the minds of people with whom you don't immediately agree and look for the more charitable explanations for behavior which doesn't appeal to you and which could seem plain wrong not just a chuck them immediately in prison or to hold him up in front of a lower court to also. Just tell them how stupid they are. Right exactly exactly. Because he's actually we we're permanently. All sides are attempting to show show how how stupid every other side is And the other thing is is politeness which is an attempt not necessarily to say everything to do understand. There is a role for private feelings. Which if they were to emerge would do damage to everyone concerned and therefore they should be withheld. We again live in this romantic culture where you feel something you must express it if you someone you must tell him in egypt right If you're if you're angry off you go. It's bad to bottle up feelings. Well you know. I don't know and both in private life and political life you know we. We've got this idea if we look at relationships respect. We've got this idea that keeping a secret is a very bad thing and that true. Love's tell each other everything well again. I think that sometimes to be holy yourself in the presence of another is a pretty mean thing to be. It's a it's a tree new should reserve not for anyone that you really care about because you know who we are unvarnished without any filters is is very challenging and not something that we should have routinely parade We got this culture of of kind of self disclosure and and as i say it spills out into politics as well the same dynamic goes on like if i'm not telling you exactly what i think then you know i may develop a twitch or an illness for not rainer expunging my feelings and and to which i would say. No you're not. You're preserving the peace and good nature of the republic and it's absolutely what you should be. Yes and and i guess know i i. I've been having this conversation with a lot of people this year. I mean there's a lot of The truth is more than ever before. Perhaps in our world we we are in relationship right. We are in we are connected to everyone else. And there's a there's a. That's that's a fact their wellbeing will impact our wellbeing. is of relevance store wellbeing and And that of our children. But there's a that we have this. We have this habit in this capacity in public to and also we know this. We know that our brains work this way to see the other to see those strangers. Those people those people on the other side politically socio-economically whatever forgetting that in our intimate lives in and in our love lives in our in our in our circles of family and friends and in our in our marriage is with our children There are things about the people we love the most who drive us crazy that we do not comprehend and yet we find ways to be intelligent right to be loving because he gets a better result. That's right and families are at this kind of test bed of love because we can't entirely quit them And this family so fascinating. Because you're you're you're thrown together with a group of people who you would never pick if you could simply pay on the grounds of compatibility and you're forced seek compatibility and i was so obsessed by always finding the perfectly compatible person. The really compatible person for is not someone who agrees with everything that we say in think. It's someone who knows how intelligently to disagree. Compatibility is an achievement of love. it shouldn't be the precondition of love as we nowadays in a slightly spoilt way. Imagine it must be yes nine nine nine tonight on tuesday radio nine to ten ten. Am sunday we try to. Nine am statistical space. And you know the the the media you take in the films you see You know the way. The news read at cetera. All these things political phenomena and will highly socialized creatures. Who really take cues from. What is going on around us. And if we see an atmosphere of a short tempers of selfishness etc They will that will bolster those capacities within ourselves if we see charity being exercised if we see good humor receive forgiveness on display again it will lend support to those sides of ourselves and You know we we need to take care of what we're exposing ourselves to Because too much exposure to the opposite of love You know makes us into very hostile and angry people. Yes and i think it's also such an important thing to bear in mind That the import of our conduct moment to moment that that that that is is having effects that we can't see that's right. I mean you know. we're talking a minute ago. About how Very often you notice in relationships because people are honest about it in relationships they re don't in other areas but sometimes one of things that's fascinating in a relationship is how people will have an argument about get heart so what things. It's fascinating about relationships that people will reveal that they've been hurt by incredibly minor things now things like. Why are you and with me. Well you know when you left to go to work. I said have a nice day and you went Rather than thanks you know. And and i and angry all day and actually i'm sort of. I don't really want to beat you. Because of that word you said and in a way it sounds ridiculous but actually we humans a like this with just extremely with far more sensitive than we allow for and we build a world recognizes that if somebody goes in a Rather than this saw thanks rather than yes or whatever it is This can ruin our day and we should think about that as we approach not just personal relationships but also our social and political relationships. These things are humiliating. Little things can deeply wound and humiliate and and also that big things like right that we this is been throughout our conversation. That the the hurts that we carry forward in life the pain we feel which often then feels like anger coexists with anger You know that what comes out on the surface may look very different but these are the things that drive bad. What looks like bad behavior. Or what looks like puzzling behavior. And that's as true in public life as it is in private life as well in in a way one of the things we need is of emotional translation tool because what people say to us is often so much at variance with what they mean. So you know in a classic one is when somebody goes I don't really wanna see you. I'm bit bored of you Often they might really mean is Loving you become too painful for me. You've heard me in ways that i didn't have to deal with. I feel so vulnerable. My only recourse is to run away. you know. This was psychologists would describe as before he didn't behavior but then another kind that gets scrubbed as anxious behavior where someone will go. Something like i hate you. You always leave everything in a mess a you just pull yourself together. Which would might really mean official pulling away from me I i wanna get close. But i didn't know how and so. It's terribly poignant that sometimes almost horrible statements don't actually mean what we think they mean what we might suppose they mean they actually are just the legacies of a desire for tennis and support. That is becoming credibly Conflicted and hard to admit to because it makes us look so well so weak in front of people in our. Let's not forget that one of the things that makes relationships as scary as we need to be weak in front of other people and most of us experts at being pretty strong. We've been doing it for years. We know how to be strong. What we don't know how to do is to make ourselves safely vulnerable. And so we get. We tend to get very twitchy pre naturally aggressive etc. When we're asked to when the moment has come to be week. Yeah and i mean again. Just feel over stating this point but that has its corollaries in in public life as well and you know i feel like there's there's almost this calling now because the stakes are so high for emotional intelligence in public Which of course we don't none of us gets perfectly in in our in our in our In our intimate lives but we we do know these things about people we love and they're also true of people we don't know and don't think we many of the great lessons we sort of know. There's that wonderful turn. The ancient greeks had a crazier which gets translated as weakness of the will which is really this phenomenon that that that the greek philosophers discovered which is when you know what is right. You're committed to doing what is right but at a key moment you don't do it because the will is weak and the solution to this. I'm picking up from aristotle. The solution to it is broadly. Speaking art that the family we would now recognize as ought to culture. the surrounding culture has to support our will. It has to constantly keep alive the freshness and relevance of ideas which we ascend to in theory but forget about in practice And this is the assay that the help of culture the work of culture Well sorry. I've got there's something by mcglade. Okay okay all right okay. all right. we'll do so so we we're going to Have that twenty more minutes. But i i want to return a little bit too You know to to love and sex and eros all of this. I have to say one thing. I really love and appreciate and learn from any writing is your Your reflection on flirting the is an art. The art of flirting that it can be something. Edifying a pleasurable gift and that we kind of Have internalized these very old Kind of puritan ideas anything like that would be immediate threat to a relationship. And that's just not true and you have this a good flirt. So would you describe. What a good flirt is. Well you know if we think about what flotation is. In many ways flirtation is the attempt to awaken somebody else to the attractiveness And it's often taken to mean that that has to be followed by sexual contact or else it's not real as it's a deception but but it isn't. I think it would be such a pity. We had to drive something as important as kind of validation and self acceptance and You know a pleasant view of oneself through the gate of rather narrow gate of sex. It doesn't have to go through that gate. It is possible to to flirt to reawaken someone to to their value In ways which don't involve actual sexual contact and fatigue is kind of act of the imagination and you know what's fun about flotations that it often happens between really quite unlikely people People meet you know. Maybe they're both with someone or the there's a difference in status or background etcetera and they can find that they're in a little conversation about the weather and Both parties will recognize. There's something a little bit flirtatious going on. And he's got really nothing to do with with sex such it's it's just two people delighting in class weakening. One it to the fact that they're they're quite nice people and quite attractive and that's That's okay but you know we. We too often want things to cut and dry which is a pity every news is also. This lovely film was one of these films about this. Here's here's good flirt You can make these assumptions that this other person you know maybe would love to sleep with us. Won't sleep with us and the reason why they won't has nothing to do with any deficiency on our part but it's also not as you say a deception. It's natural pleasurable human experience. That's right thing. sorry. I didn't. If i can speak out of turn or just comes to mind but the other thing that i feel you know That we get quite wrong in our culture is the whole business of what sex actually is. Because we we've come from a freudian world in. Freud told us that there's a lot more going on insects than we want to believe and that a lot of it is quite weird and darker than we'd ever want to imagine and that sex is everywhere in even in places where we don't think it is perhaps should be But in a way of course little different view of this. I think that it's not so much. That sexes everywhere. It's that Psychological dynamics are everywhere even insects. And so often we think of sexist justice sort of pneumatic activity but really it's a psychological activity and if you try to imagine why people are excited by sax it. It's not so much that it's a pleasurable. No vending business. It's it's ultimately that it's about acceptance if you think about why. Why is it exciting to kiss someone for the first time it's not it's probably more fun eating oyster floss in your teeth or watching. Tv than kissing weird and odd thing kissing. It's like sort of trying to inflate somebody else's mouth. I mean it's just all the nevertheless we like it not because physical feeling because of what it means the meaning and the meaning we infused into it. Is i accept you. And i accept you in a way that is incredibly intimate and that would be quite revolting with anyone else allowing you into my private space as a way of signaling. I like you and we're really. We call it getting turned on but what we really are as it were excited by the someone accepts us with remarkable All still night. S right the light enough. And that's what's exciting about it and you can look at all sorts of sexual practices. Basically the reason why they're exciting is because they are in varied ways forms of radical acceptance of of of one person by another which doesn't exist in other areas so they in other words sexist continuous with a lot of things that we're interested in outside of the bedroom and i think we've slightly compartmentalized as a sort of a bizarre activity where we lose our minds and an forget that we care about anything that we'd care anywhere else. It's not true to say the sexual impulse is in many ways continuous. And you and you you say that flirting is one way to To experience and of course of ordinary life away completely non threatening to whatever your commitments are what is what is enjoyable about sex. It's not necessarily the act itself. The fact that we are sexual beings. That's right that's right and and you know but we feel often conflicted about it. I shouldn't be. I shouldn't be. I can't flirt cetera. So there's a lot of lot of fear of Yeah there's a lot of fear of slippery slopes in many situations we can. We can hang on on the slippery slope. it's okay we've you know we've got tools to hang on in there. Yeah i i wanna know. Let go before asking what you think about. What's your view of online dating because this is a a new way that so many people perhaps most people moving forward are meeting Are engaging this romantic side of themselves. Look at one Online dating promises to open up something absolutely wonderful which is a more logical way of getting together with someone The sort of dream is that the secrets of our soul and the secrets of somebody else's soul will be so downloaded onto a computer and that we will find the best possible match for who we are because the old way which is that you might bump into somebody at a bar to party is obviously floored from Lots of ways so in other words something very nice rational and you have to approve of it The darker side of online dating is that it encourages the idea that that a good relationship must mean a conflict free relationship and therefore any relationship which has conflict in it which unhappiness and areas of tension in it is wrong and can be terminated because we have this wonderful backup which is alternatives start swiping through some other people Quite soon and so therefore it makes it. It makes us impatient An impatience can be a real enemy of of long-term relationships. So like any tool it's It's got its pluses and minuses and has to be used Correctly and i think what i mean by correctly is it has to broaden the pool of people from which which using lovers one not giving us the illusion that there is such a thing as a perfect human being right. So then you're back to the basic the basic truth. The darker to is about love Also also that that what online dating does it is. Introduces you to people. But then really the whole whole thrust of your thinking is that that loving is really what comes next meeting. that's right. Silicon valley has been incredibly interested in getting us to that first stage of meeting the person. And you know that's great but the next stage is has been abandoned. Where is the app that will tell you how to read how to interpret somebody else's confused signals of distress or that will remind you at a certain point to look charitably upon someone's behavior because remember that childhood etc so we have a long way to go on. Technology is still still it. Sounds odd because we it's one of those of narcissism zavod time that we think we're living late on in the history of the world and we think we're sort of you know we're we're late comers to to the party that we're still at the very beginning of understanding ourselves as a human emotional creatures We're still taking first baby steps in in the understanding of love and we need a lot of compassion for ourselves and no wonder we make the horrific mistakes Pretty much all the time With not collecting our knowledge in the way it should be collected. We're not transmitting that knowledge In the way that other disciplines like bio engineering collect their knowledge. We're not there's no system of of knowledge transfer when it comes to to relationships And there's very little public awareness of an and cultural awareness of the challenges of love. So of course the norm is. We're going to get this wrong Substantially wrong not just inevitably a little bit wrong put properly in avoidably wrong And say yup. I think as a certain compassion as well as you know more political in a broad sense engagement with some of the issues That are responsible for Shielding us from Accessing the knowledge that is out there about how to run a relationship how to love we need an education in love and we need to be kind enough to ourselves to to know how to find realize we need it and get ourselves I think a lot about the fact that we We support people peop- people we love our family and friends in being present at the vows right again at that very beginning. We're there we celebrate that beginning I i suspect that in days when they were extended families. But you know. I may be romanticizing. The idea of extended families marriages were held by Larger network of relationships. I don't know if that's true. i'm sure some of those networks were dysfunctional. I wonder a love what you just said about We need we need to take this more seriously and become educated about love. I wonder if there's a role i mean. You're at an age now. I think we're a lot of people are getting divorces right in your forties Problems lot of people you know You wonder what our role is to be with each other's marriages or with each other's long-term love and i think we don't we have no we also have no training in. That are no instincts. That's a fascinating idea. Because you very much the spirit of times and it's been going for a long while is to is to try and say that marriage is unnecessary And that The whole thing is so difficult so costly. What's the point of this Who needs it. It makes it more difficult You know if. I wanted to play devil's advocate and defend marriage. And you know. I don't wanna get the culture. I don't think it's anything to do with that But if you wanted to mount a kind of philosophical defense of marriage. It's difficulty Is not incidental the fact that once you marry when you marry you invite you know hundred of your friends and they give you expensive quite expensive presence that they've really had to spend a lot of money on you know it's all generating massive embarrassment for the moment that you call up and go you know. Despite the television and microwave was splitting up you know the point. Is you know in your aunt. She flew halfway around the world. She bought an expensive airline ticket. You need that elderly aunt because it's going to be terribly embarrassing to call her up and go despite coffee maker that you bought in the trip. You took from san francisco with quitting And i think that that embarrassment can again. It needs to be careful but can be an important conduit to reserves of patients of imagination of intelligence that we can bring to bear on a relationship before we simply blow it up and therefore. It's not a coincidence that it can be quite hard to get out of marriages. There's a role marriage in a way a willing shackling of two people to one another. You throw away the key and you cage yourself. You willingly do this. Why because you're aware that certain forms of maturity certain forms of growth are only available to you if you call the first moment when things get difficult and i think that you know i mean most. I hope i'm not speaking just purely autobiographically you'll tell me. Tell me but most marriages even quite good ones probably have at least one time a week when wants dying to run away and you know call imagine why one's ever ended up in this situation but just as important as that feeling is the feeling. That's important is this of all my will how would i set about unchanging myself And the fact it's quite hard gives a more mature and more emotionally resilient part of the mind time to organize itself can think okay. Is there another way we do something. And that's how we grow you know That's how we that's how we keep making an effort If it were too easy well you know we might not i Happened see or tweet At the end of two thousand and sixteen when that in the new york times released its Most read articles of the year. And you're why you will marry the wrong person was number one which is really extraordinary. I mean what you know. The the most read article in a year of the brexit vote. The presidential election war refugee crisis. I wonder what that tells you about us. As a species look it was deeply fascinating and quite extraordinary. Apparently was i by a long way. I mean it's just a peculiar. And and i think that look festival of all it tells us that we have an enormous Loneliness around difficulties. you know one could write a follow on piece. I may or may not you know why you will get into the wrong job which would probably score quite highly too. And you know why you'll have the wrong child and while you're in the wrong vacation and while your body will be the wrong shape And why you'll think you live in the wrong country etc and in a way we need solace for the sense that we have gone wrong in an area. Whatever it may be that we're perfection was possible and anyone who comes along and says you know it's normal that you are suffering life is suffering Is doing quite unusual thing in our culture which is so much about optimism. Let's remember that. Buddhism starts with the idea literally the statement. Life is suffering Judaism and christianity both has bedrock the idea that man is imperfect. A sinner is broken. Strip away the theology from it really was saying is you know we're imperfect beings and That is it sounds grim. It is in fact enormously consoling and alleviating and helpful in a culture which is oppressive in its demands for The perfection so you know. I think certain kind of pessimistic realism which is totally compatible with hope. Totally compatible with laughter. Good humor a sense of fun. It's not it doesn't have to be tragedy belong. Yeah exactly exactly so you know. I'm a great fan of gallows humor. I mean we're all were on the way to the gallows in one way or another and You know we can. We can hug and give each other laughs and point pleasant sides as we as we head towards the scuffled. That may be less word. I just want to ask you. We spoke first. Spurt began to speak about on love. Which wrote i think which was published. When you're twenty three the late nineties you've been married for over a dozen years and you know what what did you really not know. I mean that book was so wise and in fact that book that you publish twenty three on love really presented a lot of the same code forward in time. But i do wonder like what what you really did. Not know what you've learned what you continue to learn about. Love him does state in your life. That's question it'll make the twenty-three-year-old me sound more stupid than he was. But i genuinely thought at that time. That if i and people in general met the right person there would be no problem. The in love are the result of being with people who are in one way or another defective and in two thousand two This belief was severely tested. In the i met someone who was really absolutely wonderful In every way and through much effort. I pursued her eventually married her And discovered something very surprising. She was great in a million ways. She was very right and yet. Oddly there were all sorts of problems. And i think it's been you know the path that i've been on to realize that those problems had nothing to do with her being deficient person or with me being horribly deficient person they were to do with the challenges of being a human being trying to relate to another human being in a loving relationship that i was encountering some endemic issues That every couple however well-matched and is no such thing as a perfect match but however well-matched Every couple will encounter these problems and it. It made me develop a new ideology of love which you know what separates the cost of the on. Love my first book from the course of love. My latest book part from the big time span is a new idea. That love is something we have to learn and we can make progress with and that it's not just an enthusiasm it's a skill and it requires full barons generosity imagination and a million things besides and we must fiercely resisted. The idea that true love must mean a conflict. Free love that the course of true love is smooth. It's not the course of true. Love is rocky and bumpy. Best of times. That's the best we can manage as the creatures we are. It's nothing new fault of mine. Oh no fault of yours. It's to do with being human and the more generous we can be towards that flawed humanity. The better chance will have of doing the true hard work of love. Well i what i know is going to be really hard to edit. This is been completely delightful. Such an important subject and I'm just. I'm thrilled to speak with you again. And i'm going to be so happy to put this on the air. Well it's always a thrill for me. Am i love what you do. I love what your team does. And your your giant force for good in the world and troubled weld so thank you so much. It's such a pleasure for me. Yeah good all right wonderful. Okay thank you so much. We'll send you all the details about when this is going. Be great and i'll to do that. Okay all right okay. Thank you bye. Bye from london by.

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On my own

Clues

19:39 min | 1 year ago

On my own

"You're listening to clues. The murder of Ruby red breast. This is episode four out of six. Previously on clues. They still been left. Don't touch it. It won't be poisoned. Yourself in front of the take. You I was nervous. There was so much going on human line to me. To be there in front of the. Of course, it will be crowded. Anyone's wants to see him they will. They with. Judy sweetheart with. He's not you. Girl. Beautiful morning. Made you breakfast. Thank you, Joe. Very considerate of you something special free. What is it strawberries here? The. Very good. Strawberries. But the strawberry seasons OFA. From Spain. Spanish strawberries. How thoughtful have year. They're delicious. Did you sleep well. Yes I did. I dreamed I was in a vast meadow complete with sparkling streams and looming apple trees and cute little rabbits jumping around in the U. Seagrass. How about some tea? Okay with a squeeze lemon. You know knee too well. Thank you. Oh and Joe. Do Bring one for yourself as well. It would be so nice to drink tea together. So. What plans do you have for today? The boys. Going hunting. Sounds exciting. Yes. judge just new rifle and he's so eager to demonstrate his new equipment, these invited Zoll to join him I'll probably be back in the afternoon around time. Maybe. With a nice juicy festival then. Wouldn't that be something? That sounds Amazing Ju. I'm a bit cold. Could you please fetch me the blanket in the living room? The one with Swiss embroidery it's so comfortable. Of course, honey on just leaves it see here. Told you that Lydia will be keeping accompanied today. She is. Yes she enjoys will be here in about now in the two of you can spend the entire day to go. How Wonderful Let's drink some team. Yes. Judy. Talk about what happened Murray's nightclub? Was a shopping experience and. I wish you hadn't been there to witness. All Right Joe sometimes awoke can be dark place and. I I just wanted to protect you from that. I'm your husband and it's my duties, his shoe. It's my. Judy. I have to. Ask. What's happening? Not Feeling so good. No. I thought your Drug Cabinet I. Reckon you've had enough for couple of hours of sleep. Deceitful. Breach. Joe Know Judy P please listen to me I. didn't mean that I just want you to stay here. It's not safe to go out alone. No, you listen to me if there's one thing I've learned from our marriage, is that on my own I last line of Defense, you say you what to protect me but all you've ever done is to put a leash on me. Coupon. On Your own. Don't don't do this. Where are you going? Are you going to. Contact me. Judy Chris State jury. No. Mrs Davies. Mrs? Davies. What I'm sorry a university. No just. Just resting. Well. Detective Jamison is his unit. What do you want from me? I already told you everything I don't know what he wants. He just insisted on talking to you is the end of the court. Can I go home after this? Couple of days spent hours here. In keep asking me pushed tips when you already know the answers. Detective Jamison just wants a few things clarified. That's That's where they all say. I have. To Take Care of you now. I don't have time for this. Games is this. Mrs. Sarah Davies Excellent please Mrs Davies sit down. Why do you want to talk to me? Mrs Davies. I understand your frustration you exactly that's the question. Do I really understand. Or am I missing some vital insight into your situation. You see Mrs Davies. I believe that you can help me understand this whole affair a lot better if you just tell me what you know. What is there to tell? Why did you go to ruby stressing room after she died? I just wanted to say goodbye she was my sister you know. So you were feeling sentimental. Mrs Davies. Marian Reynolds came into the room while Ruby was talking to you. Review will very upset and told Marion to leave. So. What's Ruby? Told you something that you have not been willing to share with the rest of us? In my view. That can mean two things. One. You Killed Ruby. and. She tells you something that revealed your Motif. To. You didn't kill. But you were left with a secret that somehow made you look more guilty than Nuong. What do you mean? I think you took something that belonged to Ruby. Sarah. I know you're afraid. But if you don't tell me things could get much worse. I felt Ning me no on the contrary. I'm offering you my help. My grandfather used to be a detective here. I've heard these stories all my life even experienced some myself. These kinds of cases can spiral out of control. I. Someone is murdered and then in order to cover up, he's trucks the murderer kill someone else at some point that chain of events has to stop and I believe that you can help me do that. So please. Tell me what your hiding. Ruby. was planning to leave leave. She wanted to leave the country. Secretly. Escape. Why would she do that? She. She knew someone. Someone who could help her start a new life? Gold. He came for her what. What are you talking about? The person with whom she planned to escape. I'm not supposed to tell. I don't think you have to. I think I already know. Sarah. Did Ruby plan to go to America with Charles. Chaplin. Texas how he never forgot her? Mere he felt bad about leaving her all those years ago. Was He at the nightclub when Ruby died I I don't know. I don't think so I mean. It would have been crazy to see him at the nightclub. You know a lot more about ruby the night do. Is it possible that she would do such a crazy thing? Yes. It's possible. What does it matter if he was there? What if Ruby wasn't preliminary target. If she just got in the way. You think someone was the Chapman I don't know. But she wanted you to know about her plans. Why? If her escape failed, she wanted me to do something. That's why you went back to the dressing room detective. All I wanted to do was to help what did she want to do? I want to Dixie want you to do. Now. Try. To figure it out but failed. Oh, my God I am so. How She wrote a letter to. I went back to get but all I found was a small piece of paper. was there anything written on that piece of paper? Yes, what I. Didn't know what to do about it. When I found it, I couldn't understand what did it say? I still have the note. I shouldn't show it to you. I know let's do you have the note on you right now yes. Can I see it? Kanye's see it. Here it is. COMES I don't know why she wrote it Is Sister. Three years you have kept me out. When I needed you most, you turned your back on. How many reasons to be resentful? Those were the last words to me. Do you have any idea how much that hurts? It's not really all she had to say. Apparently. This note is clearly being torn of a larger piece of paper. Could there be more to this message which by the way and squad to roughly. I don't now. That is all I found. It mentions that you turn your back on Ruby. You know what she's referring to. Many years ago shortly after she came back from her North American tour, she moved in with me. She was alone. And devastated because chaplain was going back to. America. He was also pregnant. She didn't tell us at first but when my husband found out about it, he threw her out. I don't think she ever forgave me for letting that happened. About a year later, she came back. My husband still didn't want her in helps. Serve you asked William if he will take her in. Yes. How did Ruby respond to this gesture? I hope that she would be happy. Marriage nightclub was completely new at the time. And seemed a great opportunity for her. But. She just seemed. Sad I don't know exactly what happened to after my husband through Herat. But for a long time. She didn't seem like herself. She was. In a way. As if she lost part of herself. And how things spin between you and ruby since then. We've barely spoken to each other. Until recently this. I really hope that things were to change. And she didn't tell you anything that hinted towards walk she wanted you to do for her. If she did I completely messed it. That's she'll. She was always very cryptic. The meaning of a worse was often. Hidden beneath the surface. Detective can I go now? I really want to get back to my family. Yes you can go. Thank you for helping US Morrison, would you happen to know anything about Charlie Chaplin swear box? I'm not quite sure Sir I believe he's staying at a hotel. The Ritz. Beg your pardon. He staying at the Ritz Hotel in piccadilly well, well, you seem to be very well informed. I've always found very fascinating. And not just because he was romantically involved with by system. I believe he's supposed to receive a group of school children today. It's a very fake news story if you're interested in that sort of thing of course. Morrison get ready. Yes. Ready for we are going to the REX, we need to speak to Charlie Chaplin. Be Best Way, if there's bigger today no morrison. Can't wait. I was on my own now. I didn't know how much time I had. I just knew that sooner rather than later. Would come for me and his vengeance would be fierce. I had made a fool of myself. The first time spoke to detective Jamison. But at that moment, he seemed like my only option. I rushed to the police station hoping to find him. Instead. I found another familiar face. Sir. Sarah Davies. BIKILA. What are you doing here? Have you seen? Detective James? Yes you spoke to him is he still? I don't think. So he was just about to leave. Where did you go? What's wrong? You seem very upset I need to speak to him something's wrong terribly wrong and I think you might suspect me of doing something I didn't do. To. Review I don't have time for this. Why does he go? You went to see Charlie Chaplin. He did what? That's what he said. He would why would you do that chapter and had a very close connection to ruby. Much closer than you think. James and beliefs. He might know something about what happens over did you have any idea of where to find them? Where are you so keen on finding out about this? Please just tell me it's very important. Shining is at the Ritz hotel in Piccadilly. But it will go there if our you while not. It's bound to be completely crowded by now. To. That's what you're talking about. Oh. My Dog. What's wrong? What's the quickest way too big a delete from here. I ready. Tell you. It's a bad idea go now but it has to be. Now what's the matter with you? You don't understand. What's why is it so important to get and now? I think. About to kill Julie Champion. Thank you so much for listening. If you like what you hear, we also have a first season with another delicious murder. and. Follow us on social media facebook and Instagram by searching for clues podcast. Thank you so much.

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BOX329: Tater Tots And Sweater Meat

The Box Of Oddities

38:08 min | 2 months ago

BOX329: Tater Tots And Sweater Meat

"What follows may not be suitable for all audiences listener. Discretion is advised Is full of stories. Stories of mysteries of curiosities joy in anju through gilligan. Tov strange the boozer the unexpected. As the lid and wash asleep. You're inside the box. Oddities cats said last night when we had a bonfire out in our yard. I did enjoy the story about the set of quality pajamas. That you were going to buy decided off. They were little short set and the top said trust the universe. Which is a vibe that i've very like on lately so i thought hey. Wouldn't it be appropriate to get pajamas that kind of mirror. My state of mind. Why didn't why didn't you get them because the because of the fabric chose not to that fabric. What's wrong with fabric. I told you what was wrong with the fabric. You're just trying to me she. She didn't buy her trust. The universe pyjamas because her dry hand skin snagged on the material like the way it felt dry skin. Well to hydrate. So what you got for me. I want to talk today about agnes. Sorrel she is considered the first officially recognised royal mistress of french king. Oh yes so. We don't know exactly when agnes and charles. The seventh of france started their relationship. But we can reasonably estimate when they met the king had captured to loose. And rene yvonne jew and his wife isabelle set out to greet the king and it was the first meeting for king. Charles and isabel and agnes was probably part of isabelle's entourage so surreal then went to serve as the lady in waiting for marie charles. The seventh wife and isabelle's sister in law so it's like they went to visit. They had an employee and charles. The seventh was like you should come work for us Okay agnes had blond hair blue eyes. She was very pale and thin. She was just the epitome of contemporary beauty. This is according to the freelance history. Writer dot com initially. We don't know when things started between the two of them because they were very discreet. At first one chronicler actually said that charles never touched her below the chin in public. But we do know that king charles. The seventh declared that he was going to leave his pregnant wife in fourteen. Forty four for agnes candles. She was twenty two at the time and her status solidified when charles granted her with the title may dress on t. Trae sounds fancy with that title. She became the first officially recognised royal mistress. Okay so that essentially means royal mistress. Wow and she got all the privileges of courtly life. So charles gave her wealth castles and lands secured for her essentially the distinction of queen. She was allowed in court but her presence was not always welcomed their. It seemed that a lot of people found her being there very distasteful and this appeared to fuel. Agnes she don't give a shit. i see. this was motivation for her. Sorelle generated scandal at court particularly for popularizing. Her fashion sense. She loved a low cut gown lake. A low cut gareth. Yeah she also made a habit of keeping her low cut gowns on laced so that her breasts were exposed. Well that's one way to get ahead me. He misses sorrento. Mrs sarah misery. Surreal mrs seru. We gotta go So her bubis were were sometimes This was imitated by ladies in the area. Not necessarily the the new being out in the low cut gowns becoming more popular the the longer she was in court but it was also shunned. She so her lips were out. Yeah oh yeah so. There were times where you could see like her full on teddy's so she was allowed to go into the royal court. Oh yeah and she knew that the members of the royal family. Some of them despised her. They shunned her. He queens still lived on premises so she thought i'm just going to go out with my tabbies. Yep i love this woman just like that. Now john juvenile orson. The archbishop of rains counselled the king and he said that you need to like get this in line. This is not okay. This is not something that we need to going on. He called for the king to correct such fashions as front openings through which one sees the tapes nipples and breasts of women. But agnes as i said did not care What you have to say. She was the official mistress of the king. And you had nothing to say about it. Thank you very much. enjoy your day. She enjoyed cultivating luxury engaging inconspicuous consumption and appearing in sumptuous clothing. I wonder if king charles the seventh wasn't What his reaction was when she the first day she walked into the court with a golden bozos out. I wonder if he just kind of went. You know probably a little bit like that agnes. No we've talked about some show area laws before two centuries before agnes was was part of this whole sich king louis. The ninth had passed an act that prohibited the wearing of diamonds by anyone but the king. Okay so agnes. Had some diamonds. You bet your ass she did. She were big necklaces that accentuated her cleave so that your eyes were drawn not just to her audi bubis but this huge icy necklace. It said that charles the seventh had been a real funk before they got together and so he was really happy to just let her do whatever she wanted. He was sad she came into his life. He wasn't sad anymore. So it's like yeah but i mean bring those shirt potatoes out. He actually gave her the chateau de lock which was a huge castle. Constructed in the ninth century at that castle would actually become a favourite of charles the sevens it because he had been persuaded by joan of arc to be crowned king of france there so he gave that to agnes as her private residence. It's enormous I'll bet it is. She favored wearing long mls. They went down to the ground. She wore addresses with so long that the amount of fabric that had to be used for them was just pissed. She purchased incredible quantities of silk and cloth woven with gold and governments. Actually started to be made using sarah's name in their descriptors so there was an agnes sorelle bodice and an agnes sorelle corsage and fashion style named for her as well. The agnes sorelle style which is kind of like a princess style of dressing minus the boobs being out view. That's an acquired taste. So queen. Marie as i said still on premise Managed to stay on good terms with agnes. Despite the fact that she had to deal with agnes every day being in her household with her so and marie had to like manage agnes household in addition to her own. It's the queen's job to manage her household but the official mistress of the king doesn't have that job but she does have a household so it was also the queen's job to manage the official mistress of the king's household and she remained on good terms. Yeah they did okay. Oh yeah apparently agnes was very agreeable. I don't now lovers to. There's nothing that says that. That was a thing that would have been an interesting twist. I did read a little bit more about queen. Marie and really interesting character as well and we might talk about her more later she had notes but anyway okay not quite as headline-stealing as your tattoos all hanging out. But but she had goats cool agnes dressed more magnificently than the queen She had better jewelry by far. Agnes always dined at a better table than the queen. No should because the king had essentially said. We're not doing this anymore. So i don't know exactly how that works when the king and the queen aren't really the king and the queen anymore they're just the king and the queens over there and then agnes moves in your well again. I'm amazed that the queen and agnes didn't kill each other. Well agnes is doing fine. She she's not got anything to worry about. She's got her milk makers out and she's just having a good time. She also had considerable influence in transforming charles the seventh politics of course he as i said he had really changed in character. And so people didn't like that agnes had a say in how he was ruling. They also didn't like this new tradition of a politically significant royal mistress. They didn't like that. That might be a thing now One of the people who had a problem with this was louis who was one of king. Charles's sons he was really resentful. That agnes had displaced his long suffering. Mother and his mom continued to suffer with agnes and our memories. All the time Another chronicler reports that one day in fourteen forty four and this is again. According to the freelance history writer dot com louis ran into agnes and exclaimed passion. This woman is the cause of all our misfortunes. He then reportedly punched her in the face. Which does not make me like agnes less but not everyone was so anti agnes. No she had those prominent dingle bobbers exactly painter. Jean fouquet was so inspired by agnes. Grand tetons that. He used her as a model for his painting. The virgin and the child surrounded by angels agnes as the virgin. Mary sat on a throne dressed in blue and ermine cape around her shoulders. One of her boobs out revealing a full-on milk white breast the size of the infant lords head and people were pissed that this scandalous sex mistress was being portrayed as our lord mother sure i can see where that would raise one's heckles back then and he was like no now. I'm just. I'm talking about movies here. You just get you. Don't you're not getting it. it's art. It's an effigy of the virgin mary with her chest. Banjos out. it's just about the totters okay. So while pregnant with their fourth child agnes journeyed in midwinter to join charles on the front. I guess he was doing some sort war business and so she went to offer moral support but while there she became suddenly very ill it was assumed dysentery after giving birth it was a very Not good birth by the way. Very not good. I think a medical term medical She and her daughter both died on the ninth of february. Fourteen fifty agnes was twenty eight years old now after her death charles obviously devastated he elevated her to the title of duchess so that he could have like the most reduc funeral for her he ordered. There was a monument to be built in her image. She was buried in the abbey church along with her newborn daughter. But her heart was stored at the abbey like her heart her heart. Yeah i know not. The part thought that they would save not her sweater meat so obviously shoes pretty young and it was assumed that she died. From complications of childbirth or maybe childbirth plus dysentery real clear. But as i said she was young and her death was unexpected. So when you take that into consideration along with the fact that there was a lot of resentment toward her and her power in the court it spurred rumors of poisoning and that had circulated down through the centuries so in two thousand five her skeletal remains were unearthed and examined and forensic tests confirmed that there was an enormous amount of mercury in her body at the time of her death once again mercury weird evidence also suggested that agnes suffered from parasites and mercury was a common treatment for this problem but not that amount of mercury but when you consider that mercury was also used to treat women in difficult labours soothing maybe it was an unintentional overdose because of the various afflictions that she was fighting massively but the again the massive amount of mercury in her system. It does hint at foul play so they are theories of who might have killed her. It's louis it's one of the big ones. Yeah louis if in fact she was murdered but that was almost six hundred years ago. And we may never know but you can easily google. Agnes sorelle tater tots and you're gonna see many pieces of art illustrating one of her boobs out just one well. Here's the thing is the way that i found out about agnes. Sorelle was a meam that mistakenly said that she had just one favourite boob and she would pop that bad boy out. I see which is not the case. She just like for both of them to be out but the mean was wrong. I'm gonna look up. Some more euphemisms for breast hang on. Give me a second here for popcorn. Balls candy apples breath. I'd susan's brown. Eyed seasons doesn't sound pleasant at all hubcaps that sounds like a name for your whole dynamic. Duo go-carts what what. I think one of the funny ones i ever heard was in an episode of the office and they were talking about getting breast exam and michael said you. You really should get those checked out because those are ticking time bags funny with true. You know you should let him. What is it like the second of every month. You're supposed to do a breast self exam in the shower. Maybe that was just a local campaign. I don't know feel him up. Have alexa remind you and hope that she doesn't remind you. While you have company and that thing in the middle people have believed some pretty strange things throughout history for example in the eighteen. Hundreds people with long beards were believed to be insane. Although joseph palmer was mocked attacked and stabbed because he had a beard he refused to shave it off. He had a monument of his bearded face on his tombstone purely out of spite his grades persecuted for wearing the beard. It's the podcast it's like that hidden pothole in the highway. Once you're in the middle of it there is no going back. This is the box of oddities so we are in orlando right. 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Well doctors of course at the time weren't as knowledgeable as they are today and the public was even more under educated It was pretty easy to fool the public. It created a wave of scam artists in quack. Doctors sure i always think of those open sided carts the open up and say like dr brenner is magic. Cure all lax right history suggests that scam artists in quack. Doctors outnumbered real doctors by about three to one but there was one quack quack easiest of all quacks and his name was james morrison in the eighteen twenty s james was quite ill or at least. That's how his story goes. No one knows for sure what he claimed to be. Ill from But he's he said he was sick for about thirty five years yeah thirty five years in quote inexpressible suffering and my goodness and the doctors were never able to help him so he decided he was going to heal himself. Just wasn't expecting thirty five thirty five years. That's what he said three or four months now. Now thirty five years. He believed that all of the ailments. Even pain was the result of defective blood and as far as morrison felt real. Doctors made things too complicated now. He wasn't off base really when it came to that because doctors believed at the time that nothing could purge the impurities and restore a patient's health as effectively as draining them of their blood right a good bloodletting was often the prescription. Oh for sure. Nothing makes the patient feel better than by taking out some of their blood bleed them out. Of course that's a delicate dance because too little blood there was no effect too much. Blood yet died This is when he came up with the concept of forced defecation out now. This was theory and on the surface. I can get on board with it. He thought if pooping was good for you then poop in a lot was great for you. Oh my god and you can't really argue with that theory. I mean i can i can. It depends on how much i think in eighteen. Twenty five morrison concocted. This little pill. That was all natural. The ingredients were rhubarb cream of tartar. Moore basically he came up with a super laxative and he claimed that his miracle pill could cure not just a particular disease but all diseases out any health issues from smallpox to to pimples to dysentery. Just gotta shit it out. Yup to fevers. Even if you talked in your sleep if you pooped enough it would stop that. The pills became known as the universal pill. Because of that reason or morrison's pill didn't really think that thou- right no this was part of his scamming. His pills came in two different strengths number one and number two he marketed. This magic capsule as a medication that could be taken. As often as needed. And the more you took the healthier you became. I can't imagine how unpleasant that would be especially during this time. When they didn't have like wet wipes and soft gentle moistened. Let's we're using corn cobs back in those days. Any who's in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight an author and english folklorist. His name was eric. Maple wrote a book called magic medicine and quackery and he said in that book. That morrison's miracle pills were quote the most remarkable rubbish that the century had seen so far. The big problem that morrison had to overcome was the fact that he wasn't a doctor so he had the british college of health. Name him their chief hygienist now. Why would the british college of health do such a thing. Did he have money no. He invented the british college of health. Now didn't exist. He just made it up. The british college of health of course sounded very official s. But it was just more rubbish that he came up with but it worked. It helped build his credibility. Has i mean. I can identify with this guy because i am accredited by the main school of accreditation. Oh yeah what are you. Accredited in accreditation accreditation wall. So i can tell you right away that so you you're gonna credit eight Yeah okay awesome. At the same time. He flooded the market with advertisements about his miracle cure using testimonials and endorsements from patients and other people in the field of medical quackery. No no legitimate. Doctors of course other quacks employees of the british college of health and accreditation. Of course yes. Of course any credible doctor didn't endorse this quote. Miracle cure in fact they they denounced it so morrison waged a pr war against doctors. Most of his ads encouraged people to take his laxative pills. And don't tell the doctors don't consult them. He said consulting with the doctors is a waste of time. He encouraged people to start a regiment of force defecation and to keep it up as long as they wanted in the longer. You did it the healthier you'd become in other words the more pills you buy right. One of his ed's reads quote are not trees and plants treated as a whole so it should be with the human body issued by the british college of health new road london. For and on behalf of the body of hygiene assists who contend that all diseases proceed from an impurity of the blood and should therefore be treated with the universal medicine which being comprised of innocuous ingredients can be taken without the advice of a doctor but okay so his his theory was that the bad blood. What's making you ill. So are you shitting out your bad blood or is the. Maybe how does that work is. Actually i don't know maybe his theory was that a lot of poop in your system was poisoning the blood okay and so removing it would help purify hoop is made of the bad things in your body right and so when you're forcing yourself to repeatedly crap you're getting all that bad stuff out in eighteen. Twenty eight he published the morris which was a promotional book about his pill. That was seven hundred pages. Long seven hundred pages of reasons why his laxative pills could cure anything. And why you shouldn't believe your docked and in better than any doctor could do it sure. Yeah he said in his book quote convince the world i am ready to take them in any dose and for any length of time and numbers of other people have done the same thing it always to great benefit. The more they take the greater is the good of course. Morrison was right about the absurdity bloodletting. You know i can agree with that. And he used that to attack doctors saying they just wanna bleed you out. The medical community didn't like that. So thomas wake lee. Who is the founding editor of the medical journal. The lancet which is still published. Today he made it his mission to discredit the pills. Effectiveness and the theories behind the many other. Physicians joined in the campaign against morrison. They warned the public that he was nothing. More than a humbug. A fraud a quack but people didn't want to believe it right well. I'm sure that since he had already set up that idea in their heads that the doctors were against him right. It was preemptive gas lighting so they didn't want to believe well at least six people didn't wanna believe they were looking for a quick fix or he played on that morrison countered with more testimonials in his advertising in eighteen. Thirty two in addition to the specter are the spectator. A man claimed his wife had suffered with chest pains for well over a decade. She had sought the best medical advice. Available it said but nothing helped quote. Then she was introduced to apply your pills by which after undergoing a regular dose of a few weeks she was entirely cured and then there was this other guy claimed to pills cured his hernia. He said quote i I think it would aggravate mark all the straining. He said quote. I tried many sorts of bandages and trusses but without effect ordering two boxes of morrison's which i have taken according to the instructions given i am happy to say my rupture has not troubled me since the thing is. You're trading one sort of discomfort for another lake. You're being forced to shit repeatedly. That's that's a. That's a bad thing. That's a symptom of something going awry. I don't have chest pains anymore. But my on fire and i cannot leave the liu so he tells all these stories but the story that moore's was telling he was really not weaving a tale of reality especially when it came to you know so many of the people taking his pills when they started dying. That was kind of you know one case that was written about was that of a fifteen year old girl who quote died in a horrible distress. Highly publicized incident in eighteen. Thirty six one of morrison's salesman whose name was robert. Salmon was convicted of manslaughter when he administered one thousand pills to captain john mckenzie who was suffering from knee pain. Oh my gosh yeah. He had tried many things he had leeches on his knees and stuff and none of that works. So yeah thousand pills a year later. Twelve more deaths were linked to overdoses of morrison's poop pills. Morrison blamed his salesman. He made them. the scapegoat. course also decided that it would be in his best interest to flee london and moved to paris. This was in eighteen thirty four after he left another of his vendors was convicted of manslaughter. after yet. another death gosh. that's terrible. There were lots of ads that came out mocking morrison. Many cartoonists made him subject of ridicule as well a record. A recurring theme was a cartoon image of patient sprouting vegetables instead of appendages and like a tree limb instead of knows because they had taken so much of his vegetable powder pills. The humor doesn't translate no the bad publicity in the warning by the medical community. Did nothing to stop the sale of these pills. People were dying and they didn't care they still bought them while they already had that idea in their mind into this make morrison wanna back off. No he doubled down on it. He suggested that people weren't taking enough. No he reminded the public in his ads. That is miracle pills might not work right away but that was no reason to give up quote to those taking morison's pills we say. Do not stop taking them when you feel worse. Redder increase the doses. You must feel worse. When the medicines begin to act upon the fao acrimonious humors of the body which often have been left to fix themselves with almost fatal grasp on the intestines and many times made stronger. Still buy material and other hurtful poisons. Wow this guy just does not give a crap if he kills people well no but all of his patients gave a lot of crafts yes. At the age of seventy. in the year. Eighteen forty james morrison met his own demise. Did he shut himself to death. There's no official account of him overdosing from his own pills but When they found his body he had a mouthful of them. Yeah we heard is quackery however earned him an estimated five hundred thousand pounds british pounds back in the day that would be about fifty one million pounds today or seventy one million. us dollars. Wow but not even. His death put an end to the sales of his force. Defecation pills his sons carried on the family business and they continued to build his empire in even further people continued to die but they also continued to biased pills for decades right up until britain finally put a stop to the sales of his pills in nineteen twenty nearly one hundred years after his scam started. Wow james morrison a nineteenth century griff. Ter- wow all i am. I got my information from wikipedia. In all it's interesting a dot com. They say that one man's trash is another stranger. Well in this case one man's poop was another man's treasure that was fascinating and shocking shock. Can you hear banjo. They finally settled down. And now it's time to go. I need sushi. We'll see you next time. Keep flying that freak. Flag white proudly your beautiful freak so let it be know. The box of oddities belongs to and its feet is in your hands. Therefore it's been requested by goes to resistance. We asked put one thing of you. Provide a five star and a moslem review true that is too big however is merely a five star rating and positive. Also subscribe to us. Okay so three. Things is all we ask three things and three things. It's for the box of oddities commits to the telling of stories stories of the strange bazaar. The unexpected we wish to offer our deeply built gratitude and appreciation for your patriot. The box oddities dot com 2021 rights reserved so the king had this is going to be good. I'm not allow biro. 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I felt like i was going to bed to get ready to come back to work all over again and i know that there are so many of our listeners that have to work on the weekends and man united feeling my my pain on that whole deal but at least sympathize with me for about five seconds here over the fact that I only get like two days to ever Really like sleep in and normally you know it's just Saturday morning and then sunday morning and lately it seems like i have been having the hardest time trying to fall asleep so i have been dabbling in a little bit of The edibles and i don't hold it against me okay. 'cause i never ever did. We'd when i was in High school or college. It wasn't until i was probably a grown ass. Man like in the last final five or seven years that i started experiencing and i don't smoke call it doing weed. And why do you think anyone's gonna hold it against you. I mean for all public. Perception is three out of four people in the state approve of because we got parents with their kids and they want they want. They want to stay. Wanna look tonko. It's no different than alcohol in this. Don't kids that enjoy until it was legal for go after the now. I have a very might feel that way. Well let me tell you. Let me tell you what happened to me this weekend. Okay so i ended up I got this chocolate bar thing that i got that that i remember we did the week. Podcast yeah the podcast. So i got the chocolate bar. And i was like biting off like a little piece of it. You know on Friday nights and saturday nights so that it will help me sleep in a little bit. Otherwise i am wide awake at six o'clock in the morning and it hadn't been affecting me the last few weeks so i said you know what i'm going to try bigger pieces this week. Holy christ i want to tell you i think i found my threshold because i ended up taking such a big piece of this thing compared to something like how big all right so you know. How hershey's has the individual little like the the rectangle the rectangles and there. I ate at least two and a half rectangles normal dose before just taking like this. I've been taking like maybe a little bit of a rectangle. Okay why did you jump so all. I wanted to be able to sleep. I haven't been able to sleep and it's affecting It's affecting my health and my mental wellbeing. And so i decided that i was gonna take it. I know that you're not supposed to feel this stuff right away. I feeling it right away. And i always have these people who are like professionals at this like my eldest son. Joe who are like dad. You shouldn't be afield filling it like that. So did you start to panic. I started. I started going like feeling like my breath was a little bit different. You know then. I started feeling like i was wanting to clean the house and i've never cleaned the house before in my life then i ended up going to bed and i started fallen asleep in my dog started barking that they needed to go in. Go to the bathroom. I took my dogs out to go to the bathroom in ready for this. One o'clock in the morning. I took my dogs on a walk. Who the hell does that. I don't take my dogs on a walk when it's four in the afternoon let alone doing it at one o'clock in the morning he just started. I started freaking out. I don't know what the story is. And then i came back home and as soon as i came back home and i put the dogs back in their crates. Figured i'm putting them in their crates. Because i know that something bad's about to happen. Then i started like laying down in bed and started getting restless legs syndrome where my leg started popping up on this. Like i can't keep my leg straight. You go on instagram. should've been it would have been the most entertaining thing ever. But i started freaking out From from this thing to a point. That i don't know if i could ever do it ever again. You did too much I mean how much happens. Yeah but i. I honestly don't know the little bit doesn't help me and a lot of it doesn't mean in la so there's something in between a little bit and a lot. It's called the normal amount. I don't know if there is. I don't know if it will word over me. Yeah between a half a square and two and a half square. Nothing in moderation is never been something that i know. I know your call the police on you out there one. In the morning it was crazy. I was looking for a normal activity for you. I was. I was looking for things to to take my dog. I'm like oh where do we end up going so we ended up walking down. This little path. I had to use my cell phone as a flashlight. Couldn't see this true. Somebody just accident drink some and sniff black pepper to ease the high when you get to high really no. That's rooms like mushrooms. It'll make it worse. I'm not sure about. We have you smoke. Cd too much and helps calm you down to. You're not as paranoid go to class. That's what i do. The orange juice no like will they even sound like pre rolled. Cd oh okay. This'll be by itself. Do anything it'll just essentially. Calm you down. If you're having a paranoia attack. Hey jordan what kind of ice. You have gone on how you doing everybody good. What's up so when you eat edibles Liver and stomach digested rather than when you smoke it. And it creates a chemical. That's ten times more potent than just so man. You're eating hello amount like you're going hard but have you ever smoked flower. Have you considered a no now. I i i can't do the smoking thing. I'm not a big smoker guy. Mojo's the reason they offer knees on the side of the labels because it says really big do not take all one. My doctor told me i could do edibles. I can't smoke though he didn't want to. Yeah so i can't do it. I got my my. Yeah and other stuff to come up. But i i doing this nine. Don't talk to him about it doctor about it warner my classroom. I'd think he'd be fine with it but then. Why didn't you tell mrs sarah. What's up mobile. I feel so bad for you. I've been there. I gotta tell you what i did. I don't know. I'm a bartender. So i had to go into work with a really bad bladder infraction. Nobody would work for me so i decided that's about thing to do would be to do shots that night with cranberry juice. Even though a it's not Cranberries one to My cook 'cause we all know wine cooks ugly and he was like. Hey man he's like i got a. I got some peanut butter bites for us. You know lead you know. And they were awesome man. They were really good so instead of just having one and seeing how it made maybe feel i eight career them reach out wound up actually closing down the bar bluebird home and then i called my mother at four thirty in the morning telling her that i think i was od ing and he was like sarah you you need to go to bed. That's what you need to do. You need to go to that your highest. It's tough to go to bed. 'cause you're hyperventilating. A little bit right thinking that my lung collapsed. I thought lungs collapsed. Like i was in a full on panic. So you know what. I'd love. I'd love to do i love to find out. What did you do because you got high. 'cause i took my dogs on a walk at one o'clock in the morning. I'd like to know what some of our listeners did. Because they got so high What's up alex non. Personally same thing. I mean i own venture and myself. I've been through the district for a long time. Smoke as much as possible if i eat. None of all. It's a whole different experience for me off in the same position. I start panicking. L. allows us. Just you're going to be okay and then the other side of me is like no. You're dying this one hundred percent. that's what i'm like. i'm like out. I no no. This is definitely dying al. Do you find it weird that you're talking to yourself. yes definitely. you're you're you're sitting there and you're like what should be okay. I know i was in mojo's shoes and almost look i was gonna you know without the weed but i nicole. Nine fell asleep watching tv saturday night. And so i woke up one thirty in the morning and now i gotta try and put her to bed. She's like unconscious like a cadaver. I gotta carry her to the bed. And then now. I'm wide awake and i was like. Oh my gosh. it's one thirty in the morning. I had that nice little two hour nap on the couch. I can't wake up. I thought about. Maybe i'll dip stash home with that mo jo had here and i i don't usually use any so maybe i'll dip into the edible. Maybe that'll help but then what happened. I didn't and i'm so glad. I didn't because hearing your story that's what i was afraid of. I was like. I had too much to do the next day. I'm like i was so afraid like twelve hours later. I'd still be unconscious or having a reaction like yours. What's going on videotape. back here brandy. Hi brandy came odell. I just wanna to tell you how much i feel your pain. I made some brownies for my cousin. And we got entirely too high. I put like nine jello shot cups of butter in it then gained each cup for does and he ended up qiuping throwing up and pene her pants all at the same time. Oh my god doesn't sound very relaxing blanket. Honor to catch the throw up and called her husband's i guess and i hope she's not listening right now because you jenna. Hi how are you. I'm good how are you good. You got so high. what did you do. I call the cops for make your cats my cat. What did you say your cat did. It's the middle of the night. It's three a and i hear glass breaking and so of course in my mind i'm thinking of berkeley breaking so i freaked out in mind you. I'm a teenager. So i am so my parents. My dad usually comes down for work early in the morning. And say okay. I'm just gonna wait for him to come down. it's fine. he never comes down. So course. I assume that someone broke in and murdered my parents. I called the cops minutes later. They come in my friend or like the police. We have permission to search the premises. My parents of course are freaking out and it turns out that my jerk of the cat was up on the counter. Top and pushing off okay. Did they get you in trouble. Because you're in possession. I was in possession thankfully but they question me the possession your belly. This is dave actually got so high on one of the most beautiful tourist attractions ever. And what did you do. I had a brand new thirty five millimeter camera. Threw it off the top able tower. Because you were so high. Oh yes i jump on. My guy killed somebody. If it hit somebody on the ground where you at doing edibles or were you. Smoking malkin got in the high. Probably only got even bigger when you're high. Got any higher up when you go to the eiffel tower. It's like a two three hour. Wait even get up there and then you probably don't even remember much of being up there not really alma and sherry. What did you do because you got high. Oh my god moselle. so i can relate. We don't normally with my husband. And i did and we were watching a movie on tv and he was like. I don't even think they're talking. English and i was like no. I think they're talking chinese. And then when we ashley were in bed he told me to tell him that his member was magical is it. I mean it was at night when you're trying to expand your family and having a tough time doing it. 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The No Jumper Show Ep. 81

No Jumper

2:10:12 hr | 6 months ago

The No Jumper Show Ep. 81

"Okay yeah baby can't be box for gay rapper. Yes such a double standard. You try why listen. I don't have no problem with gay people. I don't have gary marx leave me out of yoga. Remarks does all. It's a very stunned. You say something. Always throw me in. Because i know it makes you uncomfortable. God damn man. It's like. I know it makes you uncomfortable. So half the poke at it pause pause pause book fuck. I really felt like i something going on there too. I was going to say that the our about me and he's selling crack eighties. That's cool. you can say that then as we're gonna have a baby we can't. We can't have a baby no even with rod. I wouldn't drive. I'm not gonna try. But if we did i would never try. Nothing would happen. It wouldn't happen please. There's no such thing as a ashby. Man where's house. Damn he teams up with you on this like anti gay stuff that you guys do towards me since i am me you see the measles grabbing the guy's ass right. Let me tell you something. Every week somebody sends that to me wonders. If you'll be next no have you ever thought always they always say you know better than the fucking graham i asked. Have you ever thought about asking me about that or you. Just trying to think about it knowing who you are is is like. That's adam like i don't i. Don't get no like gave vibes from. What if we were doing it in like a baseball type of way. You know you play baseball smack. The other player on the asked. I never played baseball. You didn't i did. That's a key part of baseball right like not when you're in fucking literally play baseball since i was like fucking seven or something ending all sports but i would always see these grown as baseball players smacking each other's booties and always thought that that was pretty cool. That was part of the game. I never had hoop dreams. Didn't want to be like a kobe. Michael jordan you you never hoop dreams. Not too bad. Just wanted to be an alcoholic. You calling you always aspire to just be really good drinking going. A shoe nice direction. Always a soon is yeah. Liza shooting ice. You could drink face a whole bottle of patrolling on negative eaten tampons and shipbroker all paper. You watch my show before. I mean he did. I did see that. He commented but i didn't like he's one of the main people that people make fake accounts of verified. Yeah that's i think okay. So maybe we need a screen show. Somebody wants to find that police shoe. Nice watching at the end of the day please. That's so soon nicest such a fucking but you know. He ruined his whole life off of youtube fame. Losses family and shit. It's kind of funny. Because discuss kind of revealed him as kind of a crappy person for the most part like when he blew up and left his family for you to and then lost all the fame. because obviously people just didn't want to watch a new video everyday of eating something crazy. I mean talking to a nigga who eat crayons and she what's wrong with his fucking brain but you don't think that there's you don't respect that. As a pastime eating crowns he could be doing worse. Things can be homeless peoples ass. I've done it. It's disgusting last night. I was flipping around on youtube. And i've seen a video by one of these do does eating competitions and he's got like a big youtube channel couple of million subscribers and this is news life every day. He's on the road and he goes to restaurants that have like a challenge like a giant hamburger seven pounds and he goes there and he'll eat the whole thing and one of the things he does is pretty. He goes like this. This is out on his knees so that the food can digest better. Have you heard this shows. Where have you heard show man vs food. That's literally the same premise of the show. That's on the food network. I'm very popular. I've seen like a documentary at some point that this dude because his whole thing is that he goes atlas. No that's his signature. There's a nigga is a show members. Food is popular for many years. He goes to every town and he does. Challenges of the food is exactly what you said so you never thought about becoming a professional eater pause. No you you know one thing. I did think about being a movie. Film critic really yep like aerobic. This movie is good. I like that. I will get right in fashion critic. Alabama's good now fashion bernard. I'm still from damon who i forget office office. I could be a food critic. This muffin is bad. So so how's the till apnea is terrible. Yeah i would only see even roper. I liked them. Thumbs up or thumbs down house that bagel a to me ebert roper cisco cisco cisco wrong song cisco no go school and ebert was the original and then won the dot cisco dies roger and then you get roger and roper said grover. I think another one died. There's only one guy. I mean that's it saban's true it's like siskel and ebert was great but you know they got cisco him as gay when were a kid. No nigga let me tell you. This is a funny as me and it makes perfect sense. It said jesus walked on water but cisco walked on bitches right. You can't be walking all over the fans like this motherfucker. Can we get a fact check though was cisco ever confirmed to be all things cisco is what do you think is doing now. I think he's still performing the thong song. Definitely i'm sure that actually probably the pandemic has put a real pinch on the The thong song revenue flows since he can't go performance. Maybe if he owns some of the royalties he'd be good. You think he does i. I'm deals back then was bad. What about just having silver hair in general. You ever want to do that. no maybe. Maybe if my superhero dreams really do come true out matt to change my hair color right so you. That's that's something. You are tweeting about the other day. You said our hope i get cast in a superhero movie and i was just thinking on my superhero. Movies are pretty big deals like no. You got a ways to go before they're gonna let you be iron man movie honest with marvel. I'm just talking about. I could be on the boys broke. I will fit in with that. Show perfectly right. There's a little difference between you. And what's his name the because he black no. He's in better shape than you rip. Is that what you're doing. is that what. You're doing the box classes because you want to be a summer. I'm losing show spoiler alert feeling pretty good but i just ate a fucking mcdonalds hamburger because they brought because these guys are buying pokemon cards and they're getting them from like happy meal. Apparently this is the thing just goes to spend fifty dollars. We're gonna pay him less so he can won't be able to do that anymore. That's what he does what it's fucking paycheck. Downhill bikes in mcdonalds. Happy meals you are getting your pay cut. But it's for your own good so you can't buy pokemon cards. Laura you to listen. I honest view year. There's someone who works for us now for us as there is someone we know there. They wake up in the morning. Their girlfriends crying right and apparently the issue was that her tampon got lost inside of her. Not laura laura clear. Not the question so so then. This person has to spend a good chunk of the morning and possibly afternoon attending to them. While they're out the nanna colleges or wherever you bring a woman who lost something inside their vaginas. They can't find it. She swears it's in there. Is he allowed to miss work to tend to his. He'll have to call in and not say i. It's not the he's sick. It's that his. His partner has lost something within herself. I mean is he a simple because yes it okay would he. If he's there for moral support then. I guess but me even if there's no real show i've either i've had a condoms get lost in women before really yes. Wow that's hot knows but you're not bringing them to the doctor to help them figure out what's going on now me. Why would you say. Was your employees. Your studio engineer calls in yes and this is why. His girlfriend has lost a tampon inside of her own vaginal canal. I would wonder i. How big is the vaginal canal to be lost in okay. Well you're allowed to work. You're allowed to wonder about the size of john of i. Guess it's not really about that. it's about how. How would you feel about him as an employee if it was my employer i'd be totally okay with it for the record. Are these things happen. Honestly when he came in. I'll probably turn my back. I'll be laughing. You fucking samp girl. Lots of tampon in her body. And you want to be there. The gynecologists like the low punk so you really took a lot of pride in not being there for your your lover it depends on what four but i don't think that you should be there for her during her hardest. You're such playboy cardi. That would missed the birth of child's play. Ps by never missed the birth of my children. There's only happened twice. it's not much never missed the. It'd be so proud of though pretty good though not not not i mean honestly like if the rose verse would you want your girl like. Let's say you get stuck your butt. You probably do some shit like that might happen. Yeah some so. Would you want to be there with you. While they're trying to remove it or something like that it really depends on the level of intensity of the pain and how deep economic went. Because like i could very imagine. I imagine like getting it up to here would be like one level of insertion. I don't want. But i think it could as soon as we have to go past the cups. This is where we're getting into the territory of really having intense anal control. I want talk about emotion about have you can make it past. I don't wanna talk about it. Oh my i mean. I'm just saying apparently you've never thought about putting things in the book but so but is a tampon. Really that bad if he gets stuck lost in you and especially what's the worst that can happen and the doctor saying it's not in there. Oh the girl is saying yes. It is the plot thickens. If the doctor says it's not there's not there if it's a call a hypochondriac. We think that you have all kinds of diseases or you think you have different pieces of plastic loss vaginal canal. I should break up with her. She make up something about him. That didn't happen that well. Okay if it does come out that she's lying intentionally him. You're so you trust doctors son. Don't bring you know where you're going with this. I know where you're with this one. I know exactly where you're going with this. Okay let's change the subject this we can't. I took another step deep into the world of classic. Black film mean girls to know poetic justice. I know you detect me. You had some concerns. I feel like the fact that this movie exists is pretty iconic. But i don't feel like the movie itself is really disgust or remembered. Because it's not really that good of a movie for the black culture. It is a great movie now and then we break something down to you. Movies back then period though there was a lot of like nineties nostalgia like cringe. It wasn't really about the acting part of now versus movies. Now where you have to really like. I don't think happened movies. Made a ninety s could come out in. Today's times is that. If feels like the fact that jackson and two did a movie and that they made out in the movie when they were both young as fuck and totally in their prime. That was pretty iconic. The fact that q tip is in the movie and he gets dumbed out within the first five minutes. that's pretty iconic but actually watching the movie. I'm like i don't feel like. I've seen much of this. Like i don't feel like i've heard people talk about the actual movie that much. It wasn't my favorite movie of this generation. I totally agree that like it was just like a different standard. Because the one thing that is like a stylistic innovation about poetic justice to me that probably didn't really exist in like you know sort of hood like hip hop adjacent movies at the time was the fact that you know. You're watching boys in the hood menace etc for the most part. You're kind of viewing all this through the lens of the route of the gangster. Essentially just as you get to see a lot of this killing. And and what not from the perspective of the sweet sensitive young girl who ran poetry and sorta throws a very different framing on. How crazy shit was at that time. And that's the reason why. I think that the movie is valuable. That innovation of like okay. Let's let's essentially as kind of like what made kendrick so interesting is like this is like a fly on the wall type perspective of what's going on you know it's like i think that's important so i think that was probably the thing that i was most interested in even like movies like the goonies and shit like that on that. Throw that on the list. But i'm just saying like the the what's the other one. That oughta why people like the breakfast club shit and even fucking greece like greece. Couldn't come out the same way that it is right now as it is. You know what i'm saying. It's i think that's part of the reason why people make these reboots and these remakes shit like you wash the i it but it's like now you have to make it this standard now for this people because the bar has been said so i when it comes to cinema no yeah i mean even with you know the bard is keeps when you look at how big the magnifying glass is on everything in the culture. Like in order for a rapper to really stand out at this point. It is very very hard like you just really can't be like a competent rapper. You have to like come with a different style. A different flow a different energy a different level of star power. This really has to be something about you. That stands out like you know a people who come to mind in recent times pu shefty. All of a sudden has a shitload of attention on him. But he's very much like came out with different flow that people weren't used to really hearing and then he himself is like a pretty interesting character. It's like people can get excited about bouches de debate so often you see over and over and over arapahoe. We're trying to come out and do something. But their style is too similar. Stuff that we're already used to. I've heard so many rappers over the years. That basically just sounded like a pretty good rapper. Who has like very very very influenced by kendrick or whoever and this is insanely hard to stand out unless you're bringing something new to the table and let me tell you something to do. You know what. I kevin hart movies. He was in. Who's rockefeller movie. Kevin hart who i say. Kevin kevin hart paper soldiers. Nah you need to watch that too. Hard soccer's movies bro. And it's like even back then like the time like dips it and rockefeller when they were coming out with state property and shit like the movies was hard for us in the community and should like that like that was our favorite rappers. Are making these movies even back then. Too hot boys bro. you're gonna hop boys movie. She was crazy. I mean and you know like. I said a lot of the the even now. You can't make a boys in the hood in two thousand twenty one that people are gonna rock and feel like authentic juice or a fuck in minnesota society like i don't think that that could be replicated and that's why people go back and watch it poetic justice and wash those type of movies because from an era and that type of storytelling is. It was different back then. It wasn't seen before and even like you said you'll parents seeing straight outta compton. It was just like blown away by the shade right and they didn't realize that this was literally the music you weren't allowed allowing me to listen to when i was in second grade and now you're looking at it as like an outside of watching this movie and all of a sudden you're like oh. This is very notable in like. It's so interesting that these guys accomplish something in their from this fucking awful place and it's like yeah cool. I was like a little bit more understanding when i was talking going through puberty. Enjoying this music. Yeah you know same as me because my grandma rest in peace. She used to tell me. All the time like steve harvey said they're going to in hip hop and i'm like granny about the end hip hop so she was always on radio to going to end hip hop being inconvenient from college. I wanted to same shit wrote my grandmother. I want to hear that she had. I remember when I recited some eminem lines. I didn't know what the fuck was saying. He i mean we're granny's like act like by the loser fucking mind. You know what i'm saying. So hip hop griselda movie. Maybe see it now. I will take a look out. We'll take a look at their news. Because when you think of the boys in the hood. Mrs sarah like. I feel like those movies. There was an updated like a new version of those movies. I feel like they would be able to do very well. In theaters sabe act. I disagree depending on who it is. Because i don't feel like you gotta bring in stars you gotta have little baby in it. You got the person making. The movie has to incorporate a bunch of crap. But do it in a really like well done way. I mean how people are going to cause. I feel like back then. Now like you can go to worldstar you. Can you just surf on instagram. And twitter and see murders and like it so much shit now. You can go to la hood media and watch some. La's appreciate day if you want to. So we'll just like. I feel like you would have to really do some totally different. Maybe like the last s dope. La movie like that. I could sit there and say that was adjacent to her was like West as she called cool. I think what is it called cool where they have the big question there. Somebody quote me on that whatever that is though. But it's about these guys. They start fucking selling drugs on bitcoin. Shit like that and it had like a lot of have cab dough people in shit like that but that was kinda like all right. This is something that reminds me of the older movies. And ain't been like that in a while Just got to be the right person to put their energy behind it Okay so here's the question. What do you do this weekend because it was definitely more interesting what i did this weekend. Which is approximately nothing way. I'm so sorry. I cannot forget about talking about snowfall bro. Snowfall is a body -ment of the old cinema and things of that. That's real los angeles. They whoever whoever's directing johnson interesting piece but Whoever's doing it now she's fucking credible. Wash that shit. I'm going down. The list broke one of the best shows ever not just as now but snow for is next level snowfall and into other somebody. That actually don't do that. Because i can look at my instagram. Dmz furious about it. And therefore fluck season is coming this month for coming up bro. It's about how crack got in los angeles in the eighties. Y- songcraft like and it showed how to fbi was involved with it. Basically they were allowing certain shit happens so they can fund the war. And i choose not to believe any of that though. I think that the drugs just came here on their own. I don't know anything about it. But i just. It doesn't seem likely to me that the government was bringing drugs. I'm just not gonna ever look into it and not believe it also allowing it is a proven fact. Fbi my guy. I don't think they knew what the threat was it. would they would. They would look at the bigger picture. Basically prefer to stay on this one all right. Your ancestors supplied. Listen cocaine to. We've been blamed for enough. We have been blamed and new times because we were guilty. Do but i just. I'm not really like looking to add things to the list of things. I should feel key guilty and says it's with cocaine in our communities and liquor stores casinos prolongs on a lot of it. Yes and that's the difference. It was hard to get a boner. Don't tell me. I ain't strugglec but was a difference. They made having coke that white people had. You'll get lesser time by then a black person having crack cocaine so they fucked us up man so right now we could sit next to each other and pod smoke crack and you could say gay jokes and it's all good isn't that weird like multiculturalism apparently works at least a little bit of the time like if you like. If this was thirty years ago you would be ice cube and you would hate me because you would say that. I was the white devil and we'll just be yelling at each other the whole time. I'm sure you had a white friend. I you for sure. He didn't lie. Cheery hiller though podcast together probably wouldn't have been oh. I wish we could look back on that. Why didn't they have podcast back then. They so could of. There's nobody thought of it. I like to think that my last day in no jumper coming with the band and just destroy everything like that. You've really your last before you sign the check with the controversial revolt with kevin samuel zeus. Zeus no out here. No jober as possible how you feel. I felt like you Being on the kevin samuels interview is like the biggest thing in recent memory for you like all of a sudden the whole world is tapping in like a d you brought hubbard. Kevin samuels to the platform raising awareness. Everyone's getting red billed for some to be a fan of somebody and to sit and just game that you didn't hear already. We were very very engaged. We were just both staring. Everybody's you're nodding. i was so i would agree with. Ooh i'm like applying s shit. You know how i move and shit like that is bad bro. Were you of make you get together and just like really settled down. I feel my life was already together. What i'm making a lot of money for myself. I drive a nice car i got. But he's preaching marriage. You've yet to tylenol your initiative minute. We're no no no no he. Technically is not preaching merits. He says that more people will be happy if they got married. You should join us facebook group. Nah i'm not. I'm not on the market now next question i haven't really seen the blowback from the kevin simmons thing. I haven't seen like angry feminist yet. But i don't think i think that this interview can change a lot of people's perspective women wise on him because the difference in a dynamic was your talking to men and it wasn't like i think just. Oh here go. Here comes house phones. Here he's playing fucking the office phone and shit. Where's your i think. People understood him more watching interview. Kevin yeah me too. Yeah like you know i don't. I don't see a woman watching that like okay. This is a total dirtbag like right. What they what they try kevin. I have no idea who that is. I saw you interviewed can go first of all doing what whatever who is he. Where's he from. What does he do you. Give him your explanation of kevin's basically kevin samuels. The women fucking hate him because he's he basically women call him till his show. Kind of like a podcast. And they'll ask them questions and all the women usually say like a six figure guy i want to diet is like super tall based on the jags brings three hundred eighty nine two kids and you you. You look like a whale and you're just not going to get a ball or sorry so they get mad at him for that. Sometimes i get mad but it feels like a lot of more often than not. It feels like everybody agrees with him and thinks that a lot of the people who call in or fucking diluted day now they do that now because it makes sense though and into just like if the rose reverse if house sit april. I want a girl like i want to claremont twins but i'll claremont wins and i refuse relationship until i get claremont. That's stupid actually. That's a real thing with me. So i love them. They follow me on instagram thinking. Evan maud son was with one of them. that's forgotten crazy to imagine. I forgot about that. That's saw them together to them. I love this psalm. Together in immediately just started imagining them fucking. I think people do that with everybody every couple of relationship sounds like something guy that makes a lot of money. The only fans do you ever watch my show important. No one wants everybody that you encounter. never. I never thought of it once. I'm like look at them. Talk it read it or something broke ready. She's trying to find fucking evidence that you were involved with something bad she finds. You probably got your. I'm going to say the pass it on my on my homepage. Oh my guy you ready you ready for the shit i ever wrote go ahead. I got like real deal premature ejaculation problems now. Because i didn't sex for like a couple of months after the baby and then now every time only a couple of months old yeah for them for like the first two months after we had the baby and now now they've been hooking up rob bussing month not so goddamn fast for you. I don't choose. Yeah but the thing is. Is that the fucking trial for. Do you really want to be pop and blue and like hanging out with a huge throbbing boehner when you have to take care of the kid and shit like inbetween bad. What put park asleep and get cracking blue. The bluer or the rhino lasts like a long time. Let the baby cry and other not not so hot here sometimes to sit in the car. No traumatized by you ignoring her. It's so hot wants. The baby is able to like hold. Its on bottle and shit. And you're i don't think that's the deciding factor when they're good. I don't think so either. But i don't have any kids that don't listen to me. What happens when you bust your first of the sex copied on how long so you get another bone off renault. Maybe like forty seconds forty seconds that that power it ain't no anal noodle world. Sometimes you just keep going. I'm sorry i feel like i've really been like you know cheated. Gyp in my girl out of like good sexual experiences over here. Taking our fucking bona number two sounds like you need some more coke. Coke coke makes it so hard to get a bonus check. It makes it hard to keep one. If i already have. One is staying there. But then there's a degree to which doing coke will make you the hornets mother earth but then there's also degree of which you hard and you're fucked makes the rhino what is most is consume. What are you gonna hitching a europe. Brian just dick as an adjustable rhino keel. Raw grow at this point. I'm pretty sure your girls just like roofing you with rhinos. And just if. I come in to work one day though eighties artifact related. Oh my god. I'll be like in you know that's what it gets mixed all this rhino fuck tequila and rhino. No the hummy said the hummy said the other day he took a part of blue zan and adderall and drink and fuck. Okay then is lucky. He's not narnia. Bro was his life like at that moment. I feel like that. That's what shop was on when he did his first center. Remember that now. We're chapa podcast. He was a fuck and molly out. Zand out demon row. He was he was losing his mind. He's so like ops in heaven. she's like schilling normal now. He was fucking crazy. When i did that interview. Yeah he's a street to me like jittery. Need to take a piece right now. Go for you to split one thomas. You got thirty on me because got oxy on gandhi. Who's this. I was talking to the goes into get he was he was taking it too far his game eater. That's trying to convince me to stick out a fucking can kicks. Dan kicks fan. Kick stan dick dame dragging the head on the ground and shit. That's so what's up man. I'll stop just got done telling them like fucking guy why was awesome. You saw you remember anything to the white sox hat on. Yeah there's one part of the movie. He's wearing a backwards white sox and it's so like says because he was a mailman moves. You never see people really wearing stuff with brands on it because they have to get it cleared and stuff but back then. It probably wasn't as big a deal before the pacman there was two buck impo justice even though obviously it was a fictional character but we could say that beat pacmans life. Trajectory was predicted by to pocket. Needs to do a photo shoot where he's like. He's like one or two parks scenes or whatever four to bucks. Be like shirtless corny. Fuck though oh my god this is. This is why poetic justice was like. Mortifying experience for me is because it's black history month you can't it's just it's not so earlier that day i had had sexual micro and like i said i have absolutely no boehner control right now and his obviously busted in thirty seconds and i'm like i'm telling her on my we gotta do again later you go. Let me get a couple more rounds and then we're watching you know. Then were watching poetic justice and his corneas for who's brushing his hair. The whole movie and he's sleeping in the back of the milk truck with the girl. He sucks the girl in the back of the mail truck. He not super fast and he's like oh. Don't worry i'm get you again. We're gonna go again. Is exactly the same thing. That i just said to my girl clearly. The scene in the movie is meant to cloud on this dude. Honestly you posted offer. Juices dummy was offered water sundays. You want some juice juice knows. This standard is water water. Something i offer a beverage in between. I'm not giving. She's not drinking sugar right now. Why because the baby you know went the baby. Eliminate sugar from your diet is probably one of the biggest things you can do lose weight or are you saying you're lose way there. She's trying to lose weight forcing her to go back shape like relaxed trying to lose weight for a couple of weeks and but still having some sugar under diving like fruit and stuff and then she took the fruit out of her diet and boom. She starts dropping craziest. Really fung whenever it good for you but if you want to lose weight enemy That was the problem. That's the problem. Yeah you gotta stay away from the. Don't yes guy. Dope fiend guy. Route my guy rob. I actually bought the most expensive baseball card in existence and he went teams everything homey rod. Oh the other day. There's this thing to happen to you. Know baseball curves. He owns dope really baseball for. I don't know if they'll they'll doing that. Well is that how you were standing outside of dope stopping mallon dope pulling up with mad dope fitted spilling out but don't actually the name of the movie that was talking about. I know the name of it and name was dope. O de which was he likes selling bitcoin and shit talk before. Bitcoin was like pop as had bitcoin back. Then it'd be now. We're ten times twenty to watch that movie and put all my money into bitcoin. I would ono jumper right now. That's a fat. you probably have your own thing. No making a lot of money probably would result and you buying november. I will buy lottery tickets so you can hopefully just by the business from me. I'm are you assuming that he buys lottery. Ticket are knows where. I never bought a lot of black history month about race. Who else what else. What other characteristics eighty possibly have ever being by no. I'm assuming that he buys lottery. Tickets been team and this is his. He's always bragging about. He stayed up seven in the morning. Playing fucking two k. And planning cooking these. He's just he seems like a gambling. Talk again playing blackjack. I'm doing this. Go to the crap table bro. And i'll stay there known crap out. Don't crap out dot com high roller seventy seventy seven. New drop refuses to buy to get into poker with me bro. I said i should have borne. Lilly told us. I will go to the tournaments with him. I would play with him. Yeah he plays like fake poker. He's trying to hold the black guy down he doesn't want to put them on poker bro. I'm gonna put you on. Phil ivey ivey documentary. Show me yes okay. Can i ask you a question. So can you go to the poker table the republic label and vegas and like go crazy because you know all this knowledge or is it. Different from online online is so much harder than real life because there's so much more competition online online. You're playing against everybody all over the world. That wants to play if you go to vegas. It's just like you man and shit so it's like in real life is kind of like the play is a lowers blackjack so why don't you just go once you just like. They'll be like a fucking black jack shark and just play blackjack and poker when ever wants to go and just play that affect your bad at it and then just make a lot of money because if i were to go play tournaments real life playing one tournament all day. I wanna play on sunday when i'm playing poker for like twelve hours. It's like i'm playing twelve tournaments a one way more act at once. I'm crazy i would Be so boring for me to play in real life. I've been like too jaded by playing online. All these years. Been playing since you were lucky. Like not a kid. That's how everyone case thousand three to four to five hours. I was making money. Well you've been doing started up ex website adams tale. It's tell the tale of twenty two again. Let's tell her own. There's so many people that don't even know anything about my early hustle and stuff because it was so goddamn long ago i was like why would i even wanna tell anyone anything that happened. Twenty years ago. So my phone still on justin takeouts on josh god. It this girl text. Text me video of her titties. While i was driving and almost crashed. Numa was so nice. I fuck shit up. What you do you stab. Somebody pushing people fight a couple of couple of this weekend. Boxing class stop told me right away boxing class. You didn't tell us class. You beat up another youtube. I'm never youtuber right right right now. Never touched anybody know. 'cause i wanted to boxing class in my hand wasn't fucked up but it was the rapid. Got me now. i'm gonna be honest. You stapled it together. We're going to keep this thing. I was punching the fuck shit. My hands literally felt like our couldn't even open them. Afterwards bro i was punching. I was wondering with the instructor guy he was it was. It was my first day and it was everybody else's they had already been there. Boxing class was like last week. But i'm gonna start going every week. Was this because you saw that one wagner. I said that. I don't think that you've ever worked out in your life. No i don't even know you said that fuck. I didn't see you about tiger. It was when we were talking about doing the weight loss challenge and i was like. I don't think i have a really hard time imagining house. Phone like deciding to work out going to the gym. I can find. I don't think he's ever been to twenty four hour fitness and just hit the treadmill membership business. But what because. I worked at jami so i would get off work take the train to twenty five minutes on crenshaw and then walk home from there And that was skateboard everywhere. It which was also really good cartoons from there. I still closer. How's everything himself every fucking week. This thing i love air myself. I wanted to find you find you know via. Why would you want to kill household that. Want to kill news in general. Why would anybody want to kill. Somebody wanna kill me loud. Anybody wanna kill somebody. Want to kill adam who tried to kill you. Somebody you with your gay jokes who kill with homosexuality. Yeah d- do tell me why do know is talking about how he fucking Got shot in the foot the sanction. Nobody believed them dislike hummy. He's like a mexican comedian. Larry and too but he told me he got shot in the foot and nobody believed them and then he goes to the hospital and they pull the bullet. I was foot and in what i after. The blackout shot up. Nobody got hit and then he said that he was actually behind a fence and then all of a sudden he gets hit in the but but apparently the bullet went so deep into his foot that they could see an. I don't understand how you get shot in this. I don't see it. How is it not obvious that there's blood porno. I wish i had more follow up questions because this is kind weird but Yeah you say showed the foot so he was like what limping. Yeah i needed. I have so many questions now. I make the style i asked him. If the person who did it was a small canadian interview. Them that's fire. When's that coming out But it was pretty funny. He's hilarious. I've seen people got shot bro. Personally and sometimes they don't believe in desk kind of worse when they don't believe it because you can't see the blood is rushing out and stuff like that so that's worse yes worse. That sounds crazy because that means all the blood is like stuck in you. Bro are seen actually have a couple of times. it means you're bleeding out on the inside. Which is probably fucking of your organs and everything else even more Whenever i imagine myself getting shot it's always like in the in the thigh or like and ask like a big chunky meaty part where it doesn't really focus anything up. It just looks cool. And i got a hold of mind. You think you're thick yes with twosies. That's why thick so shadow. That was the only thing i ever heard thick. What is that he has. A meaty part are not recognize. The your ass is meaty i say. Do you think your thick. There's a lot of muscle and fat on your ass. No matter how big or small you are. It's like even if you are really really skinny your asses still probably the media's fat as part of your body maybe your boobs i guess if you're a woman do be some nauseates titties did you. My girl goes oh my god. Why did he do that. She thought that was real. Yeah someone you man. You've been to the too much that you see a fuck it dude with tests and you're like oh you got fake boobs like that. Was the cell. Obviously like a weird photoshop thing like. How did anybody through. And i was like i was always. He just assumed because he's gay got fake assumed that because he's got this right here. Yeah come on. There's no way lyneham so disappointed tonight hip hopper do what do you were a hip hopper really paying attention to the means and shit. You'll probably see though now with fake tits and realize it's not real. He's just like a master of the internet. And anybody. Who i you know what i was actually thinking about his tits today. Think i was thinking about how like. I wonder how many normal people actually thought that this was real. Probably a big amount. And if you just telling me that your girlfriend who was like famous in in this realm of shit didn't dot that it was real for two seconds that's crazy okay but if little knows ex did get some really fire. Pits implanted on. Would you titty fuck. no no. Because he's a guy. I mean okay. Zeh hilfiger was like collab- on onlyfans with you and linda. But i gotta you gotta let me suck you off. Come on come on. Would you doing why. Why why and j do a song with zeh figure like three months before he dropped his class dildo clip. When we have. Why the other thing about tom. I did not bring it up so you did a feature with my homie you dildos on the internet. That's interesting why how. What do you think you would have said. He probably does like ten features a week. Mid interview wyan jay was just like breaking into verses and his versus the exact way they sound on songs where he's like starting and stopping and at santa crazy. Bro if you listen like he dropped his makuuchi land and you drive. Khushi land deluxe. So it's like. I wanna say it's maybe like thirty or forty songs on there. And they are all fire from front to back on his listening to this nigga yell all day long only because he shows wind jay to do the interview. And he's just got louis ray with them and i'm like yo. You guys want to do it together. His brother is i guess. Real savings is bringing them with me. So i'm in the bathroom. Taking a piss scrolling. Like searching for some louis ray looking through his instagram just wanna talk about dig pic out louis urinate and the china walk down to the bathroom. You can never flush every time. I go to. The bathroom is just yellow marinating in the bathroom. Time from the east coast where we don't flush out that we was hanan just told us that he. Sometimes i'll take shit. And i won't flush just kidding but no i did do that. The other day my housekeeper founded My god no. I felt so bad tip or extra hundred. She encountered my doodoo. I didn't even was it like in one perfect log or i don't remember what form of poop it was pretty sure it was not a log. I'm pretty sure it was a foot and oil spill. How did i miss. The baby's built the baby the baby. Actually i emptied out the diaper. You should do all my gosh. Should tell you this off air. You should do like a weird like diver prank on linda with chocolate or something stolen dipoto like something like that the prank that the should his diaper the baby diaper all rolled on her. And like. but it's like a warmed up snickers bar or something. Oh my god. I come his filmer and i come up with does bow hitter with the diaper. She's going to what the fuck late that would probably really be good for our relationship. I she'd be pretty. That's like the prankster relationships. You see on is again and shit. Like i hit you with a pie. I feel like my girl is like too much of a real human. Should be what the fuck. I'm going to take a shower with a focus around with you. People are being stalls and they get like the chocolate and they dislike touch. Somebody's people go crazy. That's that's a crazy. Were brewers doing crazy shit way recipe. Some dumb ass. How does he do it. Jay rockaway me. I'm wrong with you. Well he posted a video this morning. This youtuber kid was doing a prank video with for tiktok. ran up. A bunch of people with knives trying to scare them and this this whitening and he thought it was a nerve pulled out the strap put out the blaming kill shot eight times killed him. There's a lot there's a lot. No no no no no no no. I'm mixing that video with the other. One he put about the guy that was offered a we never mind. I don't how many times did youtuber got shot. but he'd killed them And that was it. But what about the video and that that was a scenario because it was for fucking tiktok prank or whatever but the thing that i really thought it was great. You see the video. Is you the white guy holding the huge stick. And he's smashing you over the head with it. The group chair around the cop the cop really seems like he does not want to kill him and then he just pop up anyway. And you're watching the bullets go into this guy's chest and he's is still coming from as scary as he has a stick like this. He's trying to crack them open. I gotta show on this song get live reaction to this guy black no no here's reminded if he did it he wasn't wrong. No matter what a lot of people were kind kind of saying is like if you talk about how this would have gone over like he would have got killed like stick with enough fluid air sticking with it not even raised about his arms. No i don't know that would have been a little different would have been pulled before the stick up here guys. Monetary is insane and it's like a piece of wood or something like a sticker like can. Yeah like a tree grows. He walking dude walks. He could've tasers to though. Oh na eating the bullets burn. Yes i i really thought. He was not getting hurt by the bullets. He's a eggs man. What he's eating the bullets like movie or something. When you see somebody against sean just walking through it dot and then finally a negative finally does. Oh na. how many fucking bullets did he take. At least nine bro. All oh yeah it's a you. He's out of there. That's not even the worst one. I've seen go out really like that dude. Look sick in. The head is just really. Looks like he's having this extra commentating on. Oh this is should ever be happy to watch random psycho die. I mean god damn issues water. If you don't like oh not for you. See the shovel. Shit bro the got hit in the head with a shovel. That was fifteen years. Go fucking guy is giving it to his neighbors. Whether like shoveling that was out of pocket the snow murder actually was insane. Double goes back into the crib. Grab a gun. That's five times bigger. Comes out and fucking castle. Fucking mouth shut. The craziest thing is that he shoots the gun in the air and the people don't even move as far away. Really tell what they were doing but then he left his wife bertha fuck. Oh he ran away definitely ran left her in the middle of the street. I would you know. Come on bro. Jumping away from my wife a show. I mean they both died anyway so like did it really matter for bro but you got to death. Do you part writing partner nigga deadening. Apart at both married i mean they. They weren't married. they were girl. If somebody comes shooting at me are you jumping in front of me. Now after house won't told me you wouldn't do the same remand man was represented scenario. Fuck is not true. I wouldn't jump in front of bill for anybody except for like my mom. I feel like i would have to jump in front of a bullet from my girl because the puck is gonna take care of the kid exactly now even if your mom your sister josh. Yeah that's nice. Hey mom you're you're seventy eight josh. She got two kids here on. Take care of my kid because that is too much. I'll put my uncle eddie. Yeah i'll take a smokey robinson. He's all you man fuck. I'll take care of parker. If i had to try to get from all of the fans and viewers. I can cobble together a babysitting schedule. Where i wouldn't have to be involved at all. Just doesn't leave year in a different. She's going to be on ten talks. As i hate your plan for all your subscribers babysit me. I'd ever person every night. That would be crazy if you want to know something else. I just seen Some i guess was a ufo or a bitch you need no no neither. I've never seen some. Some guy mistakenly thought that he old robin hood seven hundred thousand dollars and fucking like jumped in front of a train and killed his themselves but he was wrong. He didn't actually own mind. How much did you. I don't think he'll do anything. I wouldn't kill myself over. You run that up. You know like you know what's better than death. You just filed bankruptcy and then or just like anything. Besides killing yourself filed bankruptcy it goes away in like seven years. Yeah it sucks. But i mean like if you don't pay your debt. What are they going to do. I'm gonna be honest. Oh something's kinda scary happened to me on the way over here. So i tried to the emergency lane door like emergency lane. Joe go around the other car. 'cause on highway. Yeah it was like you're living trials. Yeah i was trying to go like fast to get here. And i didn't see that it was kind of tight and moore might have clip disguise car a little bit going. I mean i didn't really that it was so much. I really keep going but i was on the phone too so like i heard a noise but i didn't really like really paying might yelling on the phone. Whatever the carbohydrates flashing their lights. I'm like what and i'm just like. And then he he pulls around me. He rose one down. It looks like some weird light shit like that and he just keeps driving. I was just like what the fuck do that. But a spell he cursed you know i think honestly he might have been like some cartel like mexican nigger something because they it kind of scared me. I was like what what. And then i looked over at mira was pushed in. I'll say well if anyone watching this knows anyone in the cartel they now know your address and they could just kinda turned over to them. Maybe you'll get our free know. I wanna public to that guy. If i did clip your car on accident. I'm sorry. just take it up with my insurance. We good sorry nigga. One time i hit a somebody's calling the freeway and really try to get away from him in the nigga would not stop and i just gave up. He was like hey man did you. Would you try to get a website. No drive really fast. Because i was like no. I really didn't even know what was going on the phone yelling on the phone and somebody and then like i hear a little noise. But i'm just like i'm not even tripping and then like this nigga does some weird like kill you thing i'm like okay. He's like i watch no jumper any. Did i know where you live one on one time. I'm fucking like i just. I just finished smoking a blunt and thrown out and he puts me on my car. Stinking weed so fucking bad asking me like. Have you been smoking marijuana. Nah no i swear. I remember but you had the best line i said my employees was just with me. He got out of the car he was smoking. Wasn't me white privilege. He just immediately is like. Oh you have an employee what do you do are pervert into. Tell him about my business shit. He concludes like white privilege. That has anything to do with fucking race at all because a black guy you think that there's no blackout. It's ever got pulled over small like we ain't got away with it. No never saying his lawyer. No employee employees. No you really. Don't think that that's no fucking way and how everybody got its smelling but it's just so lazy to put to blame it on white privilege away when there's plenty of the whole story. The point of the story is like look at this really good excuse. I came up with that made. This is also the fact that you own business and that you have employees are the ones who are white. Oh my goodness. I believe that this is the sick thing is that people really believe that. Actually think that way saying the same thing just choosing to believe that everything is based on race when in reality you will get pulled over all the time and don't get a residency experiences bro. You'd have experienced because you have had interactions in the past. That means that every person who has but the last conversation immediately blaming it on a race thing. It's just like wait a minute drive back that this is kind of twisted way to view the world because most people that live in the in these communities the cops treat them a different way they have quotas. They have shit that they have to do right. Where you live at possibly. There's a lot of people who have money have nice cars that can afford lawyers at the time. So that's down near downtown bro. Downtown is by far the shittiest part. Okay let me tell you. Let me give you a prime example. Right i drive a fucking benz now right this. I've been driving a fucking mercedes-benz bro. I don't get pulled over at all white privilege carpet of your mind. Wait a minute when i used to have a fucking monte carlo something camaro every day of my life pulled for no reason they will take the car. They were handcuffed me. They were sitting on sydney on the fucking on a shape. Make show run my shit. Makeup may sharma probation you every single day because they were okay this type of car these type of people have and that's usually how it is so if you're experienced with the cops usually most of my life experience what the police officer bro have been negative ones. When i'm not doing nothing. I just know so many black guys that roll around stinking like we'd all the time. Smoking wherever the fuck they go and have never had an issue about it. And so i think that to say that the only reason why i hold over and didn't have the cop. Give me a hard time was. Because i'm white really like two thousand twenty one. Yes you can get that off for sure. I'm thinking this is a if this is the past couple of years ago. Oh isn't that. That's not bad as we as we. I'm talking about early. Two thousand shit yeah. They're not letting them. We grew up smoking weed. If you're cost me you're fucking they there searching your whole goddamn card. I mean like they can still use that as probable cause anything in the last five years cops triple of week. You can put. Were like give me that shit. But they really wanna be aso's and they really wanna use probable cause and like that is a day mainly when when you hear about rappers getting caught up for shit is like an insanely high percentage of the time that they smelled weed and that was the probable cause because the reality is is that if you roll around smoking weed all day you're closed neglect we'd you can. The car could stink. Like we'd without you having just moved to blame. You know like most rapper. Guys you know this fifteen back with today this is they smell it this is. I'm just saying that story would not be possible for either of us even right now that if either of us got pulled over and i'm like oh are employed. He'll be like no no. You know depending what type of car like if you have a different type of and i a police officer me before to literally that type of cars that you drive like the cops will treat you differently. Because they may think that. Hey if you haven't expensive car you can afford a lawyer so if you get pulled over and your mega respectful and just seemed to be fucked up and seem to have your shit together and the odds of them given you in lower places. There's definitely been times. Rob i got pulled over and i realized like holy fuck cop just hates me and is going to give me the time. Sometimes you feel that way and but from my experience a huge percentage of the time that i've been pulled over since i lived in l. a. The cops have like they very much a vibe in la with cops that there's always something more important that they could be doing so if you're not really fucking up then they're kind of like they seem. Are you go just because there is a lot of crazy shit going on all over this fucking online too. Don't you guys need some real criminals. Go catch right. They're not the worst thing you can do that. You know i mean. I understand what you're saying to from your experience. I feel that burrows lake. You gotta think about how many innocent not even just innocent people just innocent people of color and innocent people who have just been treated like shit just off rib that you don't matter how nicer respectful whatever and we're like we're house phone may reside there. Not they still going through that. They still playing as she said like city. Bro dared the cops is not treating you fucking second-class citizens bro. I i'm gonna get pulled over and arrested for smoking weed at some point because of this conversation like i've set myself up for that to happen. The blackhawks plot twists. And then you're going to go to jail enjoying your brothers in the area nation raped into the area nation. We'll tattoo. i'm not doing that. What have you made swastika domino. While he's like he's like great. Please please. don't put the evil on what an idea. Actually it just came out that marilyn. Manson has like nazi tattoos. I believe it. I guess i shouldn't be that surprised because these sexual allegations now. Yeah yeah. yeah you. Being accused are hype and all kinds of girls and shit. That's the weird thing is like me growing up. I was a huge fan when i was thirteen. I was over it by the time. I was like fourteen and a half but he put himself out there as being sick. Fuck love to cut himself and do heroin. Fuck with all these girls and seven. So now they're pulling these old magazine articles where he was saying weird as shit about fucking young girls all kinds of stuff they. He thought he was just being as cool as goth. Roj star battle. No you're just some guy going to shit. Our job is label. They just still signed. He's still pretty popular kinda helped. They helped him. I wonder how much his popularity could be affected by this. Because i feel like you know. A large percentage of marilyn manson's fan just wanted to see too sick fucking weirdos like it's not like he was really acting like us this upstanding citizen because it reminded me that there was a girl that i was kicking with maybe a year before i met lana and she was kind of like a god. Shikha whatever and she ended up telling me about how she used to cook. And sorta be one of manson's girls or some shit and how and i was like. What was that like having to do. Mad cogan shit. And she's like no he wouldn't let any of his girls do coke like he does mad drugs but he doesn't let us do it because he wanted us to be like innocent and shed. I'm like what looked like she. She was describing basically him just being the weirdest mother fucker on earth and then come true that he took his ribs out. No you heard that before right. Yeah and when feel like everybody that that was the hottest rapper and are the hottest news in seventh grade. I was. I was like guys at creep. Yeah now that if that was true but you know girls get to make the funding year. I said i was like freaked out. And i said some shit i down by the doctor. Remove my ribs or some she. I said that made i lived there like marilyn manson there was a action bronson song. Where he he's. I think it's called thug lung or some shit. Love love story two thousand three or some surely that but he goes. She said. My dick was too small. I went and got the surgery. And i thought that was the best rapper rapping about getting a dick implant he. He says that he was kidding. Over couple of bars later. I didn't get peterson surgery. Beans large surgically but honestly. I don't think if somebody got a penis enlargement surgery women women are gonna care. They're going to be like thank you what they're to think it's weird that you actually took the time and had this invasive surgery and spent fucking hell money on your. It's just like this real. Yeah baby doc. It's all make that big a difference. It's like a one inch at most improvement. Go give me give me an extra listen. If axa aunt and it meant that i hang out of bed for a couple of days cool. I'm pretty sure the surgery is like insanely advisory. No yeah it's like you're on your ass because they gotta get in there. That'd be feeling the feeling extra meet in in in the body. I just pulled a little clutch onto your boss. I get you got. Like dick. Goes inside your. That's what they do is pull it out dr miami san penis enlargement dollars or whatever. I didn't look into it. But i don't know what the fuck talking because the shit i read about fifty thousand like super expensive like eight hundred for me on that channel. Yes research no. I bet it's because that's what the porno dudes do psychology like. It's like like i've heard it has real big ass shit because sometimes you'll see the male porn stars like when they're onset or whatever and they're fucking huge even when they're soft and that's all i'm pretty sure it is is like it's way easier to like be able to fucking girls for hours on camera if you have all this jelly peanut scott so weird jeremy. Fm five hundred bucks hit me with the gel five hundred every week gel talk up. Docs together like bloggers dope boys different room trip to miami magic. We did that we would have to. We would have to like i would have to respectively. Tell your your girl is a fucking. I'll probably gonna as babes. Are i feel like because when he does the miami. He's like with. Ot they got the crazy ass. Manchester wheelers the gel in that cox. They in the big leagues house. Phone goes on vacation miami staying in the crack house. Next door to the ketamine. Dan i go jackson. I go to miami. We get a room at the w for three fifty nine. Oh my god so expensive whatever. So he's very if we would all go to miami just figuring out where we're gonna be part of it i'm blue. Where's that wanna blue hotel. Cleverly is as well. I'm going to club with dan at where the porn house. Oh bruno. that's the ketamine. Dan that's for sure they're putting ketamine and girls ask their bro. Every ketamine due to girls asses. Let's talk about the best thing we know. There's new bruno who was like xs first manager. Way back in the day and she and he he does porn and he's always just had a house full of hose. The hose do porn. He runs their low robbers. Come over and heroes get fucked in the background rapper. Stay because they're trying to fuck with these porn star girls and shit and he just got his although racket. He'd been doing that for such a long time. I wonder if he's still doing that. I think yeah definitely. I mean like i wonder if he's putting out like content and all this. I've seen him do a scene on twitter. This is how shadow banned he is but it was basically like one of his girls. And it's like she's like sucking a fucking dude's dick in in an alley and they make it seem like she's sucking homeless guys. Take but it's just a dude like you could tell it's like melbourne star but he's just dressed got bummy and shit but like at. I tried to quote sweden and say like oh. My god is doing really good. This girl. Second bummed dick or some shit. Because i wanted to like act like i thought it was real because i knew so many people fall for it. I look at the tweet like an hour or two later. Like five likes show ban. That i couldn't even really quote tweet them. Nobody some i fucking quote. I seen somebody to say no benefit. I think it was came star sucking bummed. Dick no fucking shadow banned or something on twitter. Something like that you. They took out full twitter away forever. Man we're talking about every time that's why he never knows what the hell's going on when we do the trump's going on i'm so happy yeah so now you can tweet how you want to be in a super which by the way i'm looking at me with my pants fucks with me really with the war on the come on man you got like you got like opposing characters going on because i thought when they sent me the primitive box. I thought that i was going to look through it and then it was going to be a match hoodie but the hoodie is blue. I m people do that. Shit when i give fucking prominent fucking piece. And you don't have the sheet to match with if you come with the whole wolverine jumpsuit. Then you could really be like rash. I am wolverine. You can get fucking spoons and knives and put them on your fingers and shit like over. I spend my whole childhood. Just wishing that i could plunge these blades out of my hands and slice people with them. You probably still a mass murderer assets debt. She didn't wanna be wolverine. Now i mean. I thought they were going to be spiderman. Okay what you can shoot web of your hand pause. I could just fly around. The city is a fly on the website. It's called it's not flying you going around damn near like he's going crazy it's not flight. He's nothing is in the air. The lore respectable a respect. Laura how about stan lee said that when he bought the spiderman idea to them they said it was the worst idea ever fucking heard really yeah and he said no matter what he just stuck with it he just said he thought it was going to be super dope and then i guess he wants to put out he put it out and it was a big ass. Fucking hit right okay. Just say this. I wasn't going to say. But i'm going to say because it's already happening man coming soon. My new superhero sketch comedy show. Bagman bagman am i. It's just a guy with a bag. No bag over his head so cocaine is his spinach. Like he's papa right deft. That's how he turned. That's how like he takes a bump and then the costumes on he's like the back man right okay. The bag man. But also the back dance with brian bummer. But also that's also his kryptonite is coke if he does too much. Did you hear about this guy that lives in my neighborhood where he doesn't live there. He's on the streets name as meth man so you can add meth man with magma. We think a method man. Adam was funding. When my idea. But it's gonna be hilarious. You plan on representing ad just like immediately starts telling a story about something that's completely unrelated to what you were talking about. The name is meth man. Okay meth man's kobo. ask house. Why are you dreaming up a cartoon character like where did this come from. How are you going to represent bag man in media like tune it would be like some like adult swim type. He's going to be like an actual by geared towards kids or not. There's going to be like an adult cartoon. I think it would be good if it was geared towards kids and you could teach kids about doing cocaine or not doing the option to do it where the show the boys was like is like you if you think about it having like dark superhero shake some little kid man like. Let me check this out. Boys they went all type here. They're going crazy because in reality everyone you with power ends up doing usually something kind of fucked up with it or at the very least slang. You know ambiguously good or bad so kinda like that. The best thing that the boys brought to the table that i'd never seen in the superhero movie before it was kind of like. Let's look at what actually might life might be like if superheroes really did exist. Let's look all fucked up shit. There will come as a result that one will smith movie was like that to. What was it hancock hancock. He was like a flood policy. He's fucked up superhero bad though. Yes he was. He was a drunk and crazy. He was like we enjoy now but he was like a drunk like he was he was he was doing. He was like a like a weird tuber here. Have you seen the boys here bro. I have no idea if you watch. That is you're going to hancock doesn't exist in the more you can and that Josh roll a blunt or roller blind and give some of the street where packages sense. For some reason. I've decided that we were going to open some earlier on today's episode while we're talking. Oh okay do i get some if it fits and if you like it sure also bosseaux though. The odds are not super high. Speaking of that. I need my phone back for students. Also in the front pocket my bag. How long have you been off for smoke now. An hour and thirteen minutes the viewers of the november show. Who don't turn into the friday streams to see you get high and how your brain breaks have different levels of the days. I'm here yeah tuesdays. I don't really do anything because you come in late. I don't walk for the show. You're not here in the morning and when we do the news. You're here in the morning. So i'm talking about tuesday's i'm never late for the fucking no jumper show later in the day for the show genius. I explain it so many times right there but at first when he first said late. But it's we film at six whereas when we do the news we meet up at like eleven or twelve we we. We've went from ten to eleven to twelve because a lot of times my personal. I do my personal trainer eight. I'm done at nine with breakfast and taking a shower. I can leave my house at ten earlier. In for thirty seconds that can add an additional thirty to forty five seconds including cleanup. And then. yeah so it's hard for me to get here like you know. I can't i get eleven as early as i can get here if i work out of eight. Fridays on days when highs wednesdays but wednesday but is get fucking hammered. But because you come in and you get so high as fuck with us but you always have plans for friday night. I'm gonna go out and do all this shit and you leave out here and it's like it's kind of amazing to us that you just leave and just end up like being out till five in the morning. Yeah sometimes. sometimes. I leave days and i don't go nowhere. I'm just so fucking high babbo the other day. I took a fucking. Oh the the one edible that you took a new. Fuck you bro. I've gotten used to take in two or three of those things the other day. I'm sitting house and it's it's a it's a chill day. I like workout in the morning. But then we are going to my mom's house to show her the baby and hang out with my fuck in you know a couple of my relatives or whatever while she superspreader then we go there superspreader and i had taken one gummy edible in the morning and it just fucking rocked me. I was so high. Could barely keep is open. Those things like are variable shrank. I swear some of them are ten times more powerful than others. Because you know what to if you you probably keep them in place as not like for frigerator like in a cold area. Something melt in the all the tac at the bottom at one of them. If you really think about it i don't fuck animals bro. Dash it literally put me. I was like do. I gotta quit in denver. I gotta get the fuck outta here streaming to be the main guy stream. I was in the middle this. I'm like this isn't safe being here like someone like my parents might fallen asleep. Trying to make it honestly. I was just like deep in my head to my own i. I started dealing with her. You gave her and she had an edible and in out as she says. I gotta get uber. She just dipped. I was like crazy one time. My girl ate a little bit of a fucking tiny. we'd cookie shared the tiny little crumb and all of a sudden. She's puka guts out a couple of hours later so weird. I feel bad that she never smoked weed. Sense fucking ruined a damn. I feel bad again. Used to be cool i did. I had some more chocolate mushrooms as we used to be. Cool you am. I has more mushrooms and your frigging out was who was us. It always asks me to him next time. Are you are. You aren't going crazy. I was cool. Shrooms are are light. Chill chill chill environment too much not interview take too much. It could be could be fucking crazy. I'm already my early times. Doing it took too much and lost. My mind was freaking the fuck out for like eight hours early on. Yes i always microdosing. I've never i've never even done like a eighth. I'll take like bitty pieces. Just i bohm smash eighth. Just give me if i have that. That's what i'm saying. I said blimey. Pack with kevin samuels and he didn't know what the fuck you shut up. Don't tell him that we do bad things model citizen here. I still want to know about that girl that was with him. She was bad. He was bad but i just want to know yes they brought with them. I was i thought he was like a pickup artist. Bring it back. Pickup artists morel pickup artists. Like sort of like how to approach dating in general like a specific like walk up to a girl and do a magic trick. That was what i was found. So annoying fucking. Read those pickup artists books. They're like wear a leather cowboy hat. Because it'll make you stand out. Girls won't be able to resist talking to you and your your red latex cowboy hat. I'm reading the like. Oh i'm not gonna wear a latex cow. Bought a pickup artist book. It was like reading. The game was a bestseller. Never read a book that to do that was. That's amazing book. You should read the game that was about how to talk to a story about a book about the pickup artists community. But the dude who was writing the book got so into it that he ended up becoming a pickup artist himself and he ends up. Dating courtney love which is for some reason used as like a proof of what a good pick up artists. Which if you've ever been around korean love. It doesn't really seem like the was very good use of his powers to be totally honest. I mean he's despite what some normalized is so him him pulling like a famous celebrity he was like i really like well known author and stuff he wrote the marilyn manson book and stuff. I've read a bunch of his over the years but he's also a tiny little short ball. Dude neil neil gaiman are was it. Neil it's not gay man. But i was calling me say i wanted to say about neil game has the fuck who invented a neo diamond. Neil patrick here's he invents the book out of my brain. Okay let me tell you about this. Oh back when a had no cable no internet and that you have the basic channels. I got into how i met your mother because it was just like some random show. That was on channel. Thirteen anything about it. Amazing show one of the most fire like just like it's you know just like white friends in their early thirties. That the bar downstairs all the time and they're just funniest love and whatever. It's funny right. So neil patrick. Harris is like the super player. Like he's fucking all the bitches oughta babbitt what was his name and that show bug I don't remember but anyway. Neil patrick harris is like the coolest guy ever in the show. You always wear suits. He's like time to suit up. He's like fucking bitches. He's teaching everybody else to get the bitches and my mom blew my fucking mind. It was like no. And i was like what i mean like. He didn't even matter. But it was just like dude. I was like damn acting crazy because this nigga had me fooled. I thought that was really him in real life. Just like the coolest white nigga ever just fucking bitches. And i was like damn you just kind fucked with me when you figure out. That actually really loves gay. And they're like the idea like dating. These women in his roles is not true in that he wasn't even enjoying their sex scene. No it didn't it. Didn't i didn't think about it. That de but it just made me realize damn people are really good at. I get into character like portraying this whole side of his life. Not him at all if you watch. I was mind blown. When i first started watching snowfall using snowplows now the main actor from snowfall and i know him bro. He has the biggest british accent in the world. Bro i cannot believe it after. Watch him bro. he sounds like he's straight from. La like he's straight from the brow. Watch all of the wire and didn't realize that it is elbows from his accent is worse than idris elbows bro. He asked to play like a straight guy in los angeles bro and he kills it every time to wash. It should should've had jalen is. I'm trying to work on it. It's on the same network young ice cube conflict with zeus deal. Got forgotten on to. That's what i would go. One billion percent what the urban zoo i was thinking. No resumes We we heard But i was thinking. 'cause i have like a thing coming up this year i might have to go to like different fucking cities to interview some rappers for a brand and that was kind of thinking. I'm mike it'll be so boring if i have to go and like just do that by myself. Like probably should like just fly. Some of my friends with me because i'll be really board otherwise and in particular like when like when i took the the san francisco for this this brand deal thing i had to do and it was like he was so high to be there and i was immediately like why the fuck that i only booked us chip for one day like if i just hung out here for bell would have so much fun and it would have been so fucking fun hanging out with them there and shit so as nice. You know it's like i feel like i can. Sometimes that's why. I'm saying damn josh. Josh brought us would laws. We gotta blame me in every city. i'm cool. We're going to have to tap with knicks. The locals let me handle it. The loc- local semi. There's a aloke everywhere i know these. Hey i know these niggers go hate so i keep guns on me. Y'all out of state i do. She wanted to know what the vibe is because she don't got nowhere to stay so fago get on. Do your google about this. Every time i like a girl. I find out she and that somebody called the vet. My dog turned into iraq. That was pooh kodak. Call the vet. My dog turned into iraq. Built china explained that to my personal trainers from iran. He asked me. I explained it to him on monday. He asked me this morning. he's like so. That line is a rat a snitch. This motherfucker week in a day later the next day the next day he was still bothering over. We talk about talk about like lyric. And we're like yeah right. I was really him. He's driving around thinking also the colin the debt because dog which is his friend turned into. I gotta ask them about it. I thought you last one. He asked about say bothering him if he thought about for a month by then. They had a davinci code correctness. How can a dog so his dog during the right doesn't sound like it's gonna be a dog. We're he's from iran and everyone's just completely guessing. So did you watch any of the super bowl. Yeah okay crack in the second of it. I mean i just i looked at the score and i just saw the knicks neilly. I was like why. Do i need to watch this overlaid. I know tom brady. One even know tom brady switch from the new england pathway. They said tom brady said. Because i feel like i would know then. 'cause everybody folks for the patriots but no no no. He's not different similarly situated the goat. Since when is tom brady. Not on this year. I was only this year okay. I'm not that i'm not that far behind. I should learn about tom. Brady now because a lot of like when colby does is like oh damn now got to learn all about kobe because i never paid attention to him before. It's like tom brady. I'm not giving him his flowers right now and i should be right. Tom brady and i've seen the twitter chat. Like oh so this guy's really something he's the gopro. Okay wait okay. Okay so once ignorant about it once. I found out that he switched teams. I'm like is he on some like. Oh like units. Were trying to doubt me and like say that the patriots. The only reason why. I was so good because team. So he i think he got into it with robert graph trump supporters. Why why did you leave the weather somewhere. You wanted to prove he could do it without the patriots dynasty. Yeah and so much money. Time and money probably. He's probably expensive to have. He's the best and it's like their dynasty has been built with tom brady. And it's almost like whenever you hop on the game and you plan fucking madden is like all you had to pick the patriots like it was like. They're like the super team. Yes they're like the super team. So the lakers. The first thing i immediately dollars like he must've left to like prove that he could do this anyway. It was funny. Seeing people be so pissed off about the fact that a trump supporting white athlete is was being celebrated all weekend as the greatest athlete of all. Time obviously wow. This is a lot of people making that argument that now at this point even if you take his accolades and put them up against mj. And it's kind of like well like this guy really is accomplished more over like a longer period of time. J bowed out a little earlier than he added and kind of fucked off a little bit. And so it's like a lot of people really weren't feeling that tom brady is like bad low key about trump support now but he was more outspoken about it in the past somebody somebody posted a thing with the with the trump trump hat in in the back while he was like doing like a interviews with foot like roof football fans. Like i feel like that's a defining line like people don't care about that. She wanted to football. That's one thing i always liked about. Sports is that it's like you might fuck with the fact that this guy is from where you're from or he's black and so you like him because you're a by but really at the end of the day it's about who's the greatest of all time by people don't have anything to really complain about narrow guard because when you look at who's the greatest of all time and all these sports is like at least half of it is by people so i mean that's definitely one thing that they don't have a lot of issues and so then tom brady rock right. I understand that comparison stats shit like that. But it's like two complete different sports. Why even compare you can't talking about championships. Versus fucking yeah. I think this boxes. Jesus christ is crazy too. Because i've seen as a bag caught a nine miami. I was thinking about watching that now. Justice is is is is amazing about a a real nine miami muhammad ali. Jim brown malcolm x. i forgot fucking a found balloon. They just have this conference and shit like that but the the shit opens with jim brown. You know he goes to this. Guest is white guys. House in a white guy is nice is fucked to him. Like super nice. It's up to him and then the ladies like his oldest book he's like dad. Can you help move this. He's well. I can help you move it. You know you can have house. Yes browns crazy. She's okay so this first package. Let me take a look at the. No you want to build. Billy bus down brand about a kid from south carolina trying to make it big as a rapper. A new brand. Coming out of san diego. And i'm doing a fulltime. I'm trying to grow. The brand is big as possible. What do you think of the shorts. I can't fit. Turn them around so we the soviet. Show the camera the billy bus down so this is like your brand this is your artists merge because why would like someone just wanna wear like this weird like. I'm going to start really bus. Down is yeah. He's trying to make it big as a rapper. So this is his merchandise. This was a pirate efforts. He likes beer. That's one thing we know about him. And that we're getting across here is that this is a silhouette of the red cup. And he's got a sticker half his hairs pig house. here's black. that's what i'm getting out of this. Delete think that this is a real tour that he went on. Maybe he just went to those places. They're all in south carolina. Oh my god and you see like lifestyle and the bachelorette show camera. There's a sig this diamond bonsor. Dago tire cascade. Construction and biloxi jury. How the fuck that you gotta these sponsors. I don't have any shows that sponsor he might have been made that the tire shop do for you to sponsor that's amazing. Obviously justin blue blue boxes. I mean honestly this. The packaging was good. It actually gave me way higher expectations than what we actually pull it out. I thought he was giving us a valentine's day present. I honestly the pro or whatever on this is like terrible. It looks faded has already and like i don't really get. What was the purpose of that cartoon character and like its. It's that's his brand is showing himself. He's showing like okay. Wasn't that good though he could could've did a lot better. This system should definitely some adam. A brand called baptism. And it's a snake eating itself and its forming like an eight almost like an infinity signed to see myself possibly. We're not aware that one thousand percent. But i feel like i feel like that. Should that should show you everything you need to know. If adam would wear your shirt you need to start your brand over start on a different direction. Back to the room. Wanted to say thank you. Oh gee i saw you frame that pete posts are oh so. He made the sammy to put it up shop. Glad it went to a place. That'll be appreciated as want to send you yuri. At a design. And as a thank you. I hope to be able to work on some capacity if an opportunity presents itself. Thanks adam and his name is x. g. a. an x. Carlo ex southpaw free shirt. Where's sure oh it was down your own shirts and his whole fucking life. Yeah i gave him. I gave him a pair of shoes that he never wears you. I'm like dude. Okay really you know. I gave him a motherfucker. I gave him the ammo. Steelers that delivered to us but they were too big for me. Give him the yeary. And no you know what him riley went on a date and honestly. I just thought about a his whole fit. He was wearing his nicest fee he was wearing. I gave him a three of the items he was wearing. Yuri has some drip but he matches everything that he wears his drippy with like some old faded blacks like sweatpants. That are now gray. And he has these like all busted as yellow shoes and stuff yet. He's blessed he'll get like a new ass pizza package me like drip and head to toe an austin butts. But he'll just like the shoes are like yellow is funded working on. He'll flip breads. That's that's the skater. Swaggie you know. Yeah but he's not staying here is all. you need. One pair of shoes are. We'll give you fifty dollars happy meals. I gave him one. I gave him a pair of nice as amnesty low converse that if they fit me so i gave him. They sent some shoes from me. And like i had to give the darren size. And i normally work because infrared or something. I mean. they didn't fit meters as i gave him him. Yeah did you have a said. You have a turn up weekend. Yeah i'm not gonna lie for show. I was I'm encouraged she'll be the dunes down you noted coochie man. I just been gucci van or do this again you gotta haven glop dead. And then they're onstream. They did this for like twenty minutes. I'll be watching them saying like. Yeah yeah me and my boys all getting coochie we in the coochie clan. And then go up dead i got so much coochie. I gotta coach tan. Just a half hour out. Bunny and unfunny give me coochie while i'm alive. It's coochie cast honestly pretty much all these like. They used every word that would be iran. We ran out of everything key pass a coochie coochie pass. Yeah my cookie. Ask don't start me up again. Police say. I'll keep going with this to andrei red ruined. What's up no fan. My name is andrea owner of ruined. Idols i sent out a few pieces for my summer job. Hopefully you guys fuck with blue shirt and black shorts combo is for the ketamine crip himself house phone and the black shirt grey shorts combo and jersey for adam. Okay so blue shirt and black shorts combo lately says the ketamine cream himself blue shirt. He's a balloon. Lou actually liked this. Blue shirt actually has actually no. I might donate just eight either. Okay here's the. Shaw sent you though that it's hard. I will never turn down sweatpants. The i want that the seventy sixers ruined. I like that. It makes me sound like a girl that just got ran through. Hey give me to everybody send me. She hit out here are john. It looks like a pretty good quality to ruin rockets basketball. What's what's is that. Should take my gear. You'd prison style non. The i know i was shy. Shoes his shoes. You wear It's the same one in here. Instagram ruined idols. Now though i don't know why. I decided today was the day that we were going to do because we do this. All the time we met we met. Because you were selling coke speech fucking house phone. Show doing this shit. I mean yeah. I was just gonna say that Me and blahsy just took took our own took our own hold on that we started already. I have to address in my phone. But i need my bag josh so i could say it on here to fight hate we got we got some some woke ideologues slide. It lead with love you could definitely rock this slide. Xl move it. We'll get the back cartoon of a guy not trump getting out and follow through and he's going to make america great again hat can beat off his face or something pass it. This is your kind of woke content. Yeah don't let your pres- from denver colorado don't let your pres- dot com is where you could pick that period separate episodes. That was all this but honestly it was like if you do. Too much of this league gets really boring. If you open like one hundred fucking packed when you're looking at like it starts to get to the point where you're jesus christ. These are all kind of the same the very like we've just got so much shit. That was just not interesting. And i feel like doing a few at the end of this like interesting but i don't know how we doing the coochie shit. Okay wait i've got a question. I never so pissed he wants to do the coochie thing. I never had a po box. Oh am i supposed to just say this. Is that the address on. Yeah okay all right. So i mean blassie's have our own street where show coming if you guys want to send in your merged to get it reviewed senate to peel seven two six six los angeles california nine zero seven. Josh put put the rpo box on my instagram stories. So people you have to say the you've put into. The address is three three five eight five south vermont los angeles california nine zero zero seven. Po box seven to sixty six singer merchant. If you want me and blahsy to review it okay. Let's get back to this. It's called often. i'm not gonna lie. I'm always a fan of collegiate font so me to give me some collegiate. Far asked me if i do this every day. I said often and honestly see the super bowl performance on an amazing induction wise. And you know what. I said the weekend been seven million of his own money to grow the fucking goat. That's true i don't understand. Honestly one of one of the best like underdog stories of just like know artists that like built up of fucking fan base and just took over the mainstream with like some kinda like roundabout fucking random girls and doing cocaine and shit like content is not. I can't be back from getting ill level that he's rockstar. Well he's done it very well especially considering like he was the guy that you didn't even see for so long remember those days those weird it was cool like it's like finding people that listen to him when i was coming i was like all like house of balloons. Like oh man like you know about the weekend like that will let me know. That bitch was really with the shit that she was fucking with the weekend in two thousand thirteen autumn. Two thousand fourteen. You know this idea that weekend back then it was like oh is. Is that listening too often. I remember listening to the weekend back. Then and his ship was so space down slow. I could never imagine. I know becoming a couple took a different direction. Still kept a dope though and just blew the fuck up. I like the style. I like the style of these shorts. What i feel like those of my everyday is walking around the house for the night. I thought they could. They could did a little something embroidered. Something like added a little just a little something just to make it like pot a little bit but these are your blank shorts and you made easier does to this guy made us the fucking ill shit. They wear gucci mane. The state main. I don't know if they d knows state and called but that's a pretty crucial designed to be totally honest. I folks whether his shit is called theme park so this is another designing day with a bunch of ladies. Don't hate that one. Either but the gucci mane one is like we may not saying no. That's the that's the statement to make some ill stickers. This is pretty cool. I like the ticket sticker. Already met one. That's cool sean. Sean sticker box. Chanel handcuffs cool by do supposed to go. Work out with chet hangs this weekend. Thanks to tom. hanks is son. He said he'd work walk to do. How many pull ups you got lot. But i can and do push ups see works out on the beach doing mad pull ups and should i feel like should dot com dr. Let's go to the boxing. I'm going to ask him if he's down to log where we just pull up on them and just hang out on the beach but nicholas do boxing and it'd be better with him. Yeah you make me dual him you. Why don't crime you gotta find him. I will anybody. You're way bigger than him. So that's probably pretty our fight. Anybody that's not true. This is true. Anybody mike tyson will fight but i will be very scared of what's going to happen to. Why would you fight him for the way you know that he's going to be. The idea is not about it is about it. My comes in smacks my ladies as in front of my face scenario. Would you mind fighter. If you're gonna find anybody your fight everybody for no reason. Why the reason bro. no no reason. The mike tyson tried to steal parker. Find him stealing you. Gotta you gotta put them lamb. Eat on mike tyson. If my husband tried to steal my baby and eater. I would have so many questions i would have to bite your babies era. That'd be so she's never felt any real pain even like like like she's like flipping the fuck out the other day because my was driving her and she was in the back seat and she couldn't like show her that she was there. You know something maybe hollering screaming flipping out and then ever since the baby has been so much more attached to my girl like really like like fucking scared shitless that she's going to be like not abraham however there anytime it's like it's crazy seeing like the extent to which little things can fucking scare the number one thing. Vacuum cleaners bro. Go based on running around my girl sneeze the other day and fucking might baby was screaming and freaking was like really bad happened. Did you do i. You say you sneeze. No she sneezed while she was in the bathtub. When we figured out trick to you can blow interface chicago my son. My son cries as soon as i stop playing with him and he goes crazy. He gets mad when he wants to play. Yeah what about you like you have to do. It doesn't matter just freaks out. I'll just walk out the door here. Screaming he goes crazy yourself any truth. I keep wondering what is going to be like when i'm stuck in fucking poker tournament for a long time with my kids. Just fucking smacking me and one in the reindeer games. You're going to have to play bro. Yeah you can't get around. The i mean the only only thing you can do to stop like food so you can so i give them some food be alone or in front of the tv but like no what you for eight hours. That'll show one. I've probably heard one little finger. Seven billion twelve my fucking playing the other day to my baby gap immediately so they can start designing shift for baller. That's good put them in. The end is then like making them watch you know instead of being the jackson five you just make make make all your fucking shoes. That's the ultimate like worst. Pippen your baby out shit that i can imagine those star clothing line under your kid's name at birth and so they're crayon drawings when they're like two years old that's the first drop in their lives. Somebody finish it that look like a baby for some shit that i could've seen a four year old i. Let's keep going home. Oh yeah why no. How many naked. We got a lot more fuel ripped open. I'm not sure why okay. Kyrie scavenging through to make sure here we go. This looks very you with the bucket. Sweats i like the socks. I take the socks giving some socks you got you got to talk twenty seventeen on melrose and it's a pitcher him and me are awesome. Shit store long tony. The cat on guy hero. What adamant housebound help you shit features on jumper love from the uk dan lisa. Let's name the brand misery. Worldwide dot com at dan misery at lisa. I'm not going to spell. It is like a million vowels for show Sent me a picture of who you for. Some reason dolls killed promo. I can't believe you still look like this me. Yeah this is okay. I've i've probably reversible. You look like such a fucking dewey. Blow fellow teens. I'm glad rest. Max you got rests macktaz version of you. Imagine how bad russ would have done to me if i was wearing this at. It's not me you look like so much like cooler like not trying hard now. Okay this or go a little bit more on this not me. i'm not. I'm not friends montana. I can't do this. this is sitting on. You gotta like pull it down. The back of my head is so big. These things are just never gonna fit me right like. Is anyone know where the drugs are. He's like hey kids violence soul tick tock wondering what fucked me up. What kind of made me stop wearing like cool clothes and shit at one point. I remember Tyler grow came to the store. And i was wearing these super tight and these weird ass like adidas like foam fucking shoes or whatever honestly it sounds terrible when i think about two and tyler grosso comes in probably just fucking smashed eight ball fucking heroin up his ass or whatever shot tyler. I got mad love for you at school. And he's like he's just looks at me and just start the lab and so hard and he's just like pro. Look like a fucking like really like what are you doing right now. It's like tone it down. He might have a point. You know i might be doing to control it. And then he just fucking in mind. This is starting to come. The it was like it wasn't like he wanted to roast me. It was like he couldn't help but laugh at. How does this fit. Was and i was like damn. He's got a point. I think i like said some stupid shit or something instagram. And he was like bro. Like what's the problem. Might catch him on a bad day. Warsaw slides now. He wasn't impressed me. He was just like throw. Was this power ranger jersey kinda. I'm taking these white ones. Misery and house wants this judge. I think josh is gonna smell like josh. If you come away this fit does it looks like it's going to be a dx swearing that this is going to be easy debut. He's gonna wear tomorrow. Okay okay look. I think bob bomb this shape. What was the focused got. It's like turning the world. Read like some fucking whole lot. Read it maybe to africa. The worldwide lockdown. Is it really. I don't know why showing the continent of apple it is. It's just africa on the map. This is kind of weird. I'll take you gotta analyze symbolism. Now it's the whole world is just showing african the front. Yeah i got to. I got too much to just take any shit. Unless i really like it. You you need the the paid promo feature you know hundred bucks speaking of that dude this guy pay me to promo his shoes and like so many people in the comments like oh. You should a yeah. They'll shit sucked but like whatever like you know. Do this guy. I mean this The comments are just like. Oh my god your job with so much better like you follow this. I might bro. I in cash in this is paid promotion and not affiliated with my brand like unique is now. That's the thing is once you start really having your own brand calling. Connor is not taking a little tiny bag to put somebody shoes on his story. Because like i got a certain point like with the brand. Maybe you gotta start saying no to certain things for sure. But like i think it really came into fruition with this particular situation when i just realized that like i'm just gonna have it for a day or two you know he's going to pay me a pretty good amount. I gonna damn near like pay my rent with just with. Just one post on a leave of for two days but it's like brand. Did i really destroy brand not at all. No no no but you're start but people winning people starting to learn really do shit people really like just take it for face value. They don't fuck in like analyze anything and it could cause some confusion. I don't want anybody thinking that. Some random ashes market so not doing it anymore. You might have to think about like you know the same way that you could sell averse to anybody but if all of a sudden when you search house one on spotify all these wax features with due to paid for plays but you ever had that happen to you. Somebody does on. Fridays music. Livestream fridays. I'm also sure i'm using after this. I'm gonna start doing friday streams of to let's go below but yeah no but then but think about someone like rio. Who is like bro. He has so many random features that like actually put the other artists on and fucking like fans of multiple random rappers from michigan that. Because i heard them with a real song and the verse was actually good. It was fires foot. Do someone on the street either day. This white kid kinda fucking. He had a song with louis ray and it was fucking gas low key flint. Boys turn down features. they're definitely serve. And that's what i'm saying. So it's like bro. Like honestly like when i made that post dude even people were talking shit. He probably made so much money off. That post like that like this kid was a good investment for him. You know do like snot was in the comments like this. These are penis and then and then fucking somebody else Detail exists and sydney pairs. No that's actually really hard actually to take that from me. Real quick he wrote ask key showed off vagabond forever on instagram. But it might be foreign ever be unless he just is really bad. Spelling says tag worn ever vagabond foreign. Ever okay shirt. I actually just like you know. There's actually analyze it a little kid with the about to be destroyed by skull the mess. That's actually hard is that you're going to die in the near future and Be worried i want to show is giving me mad. Dogs lives he. Looks like maddox all this stuff with tiger and stuff. This is from at eminence underscore. Nyc if you mess with the drip have you follow a spam us. And we'll send you in house phone the real drip us. It is not even a real job you on this one of the real dri. I wonder what the what is the real we got real drip I like that. They're taking it really serious if they got their shit embroidered on the real. Got get tags and shit. This logo is kind of like amateur. Like i'm designing for the local football team like i'm just being honest but but like you know you could. You could rework dad. He said he got the real drifts. So local football team with you is that where are you calling them a blackout on that is that that's his nickname. That's i kinda forgot about. Why call them on. I don't know now now bowl. Eighty matt damon. Yeah we have a song again. What do you mean by his name. And there's a song that this kid made for us said mad dame it's because yuri shadow out of twenty two in the game and we just we just listened to so many times even though it's objectively one of the war songs ever and you get tell he's just reading matt damon's wikipedia article and the names of different movies. That is amazing. That's pretty funny. Because matt damon started fubu way. Why no was. It was thought the white actor matt damon and started grand. Fubu for you keep in mind. The yuri was trotting around for years wearing fubu. And i go. You know what food means. He goes oh someone told me that it actually means like four us by us and you don't know that it was started by budget young entrepreneurs in the nineties and it was like one of the biggest black hold onto the times. I who am one of the guys is shark tank right what. What is his name though damon. Someday that was the thing that confused is that one of the is damon matt name black adam song to yeah designed guy black them slip blackout. Maybe someone should black history month. No no no no meaning god what maybe put a blackout booze boring or something that you guys pay for promo before. This actually looks pretty cool. I'm gonna book. Yeah this guy's pay for pro before it's taboo is his brand Yeah honestly like. I've seen the sheriff design seeing a couple other ones. Honestly it's cool. It's like giving me like a vintage almost like nascar something vibe or something like that makes you around nascar with fast car if you don't if you don't that was a great you've ever done it. I'm not running nascar with fast car in the song. I don't know i don't know anything. I can't think his translation that just meant. I don't know you putting the shirt over. Your head was kind of a new because before it was just him pulling his hoodie strings hiding inside his city because it was so high on air dam. One blunt does does that for you. I'm gonna redo that beat reading. Lasko nascar nascar that was a great tribes. Puerta interview came out to sit back to back. Kevin travis porter young l. a. as soon as i do the timestamps all kinds of other on the way well this fire row. I forgot about how gases song was. Thank you the packers nine. It was like some random nigger from the bay company. Yep oh not at random to get my back to finding. It looked like it was like a long guy's name right there so i was like company taboo. I'm keeping this again. I think i might have one of these. Emma honestly already a box. It was just an inside it. No no bomb tonight. Oh it's multiple fox somewhere to go just know year and we might not be streaming tonight too hot. No because we're gonna go smoke marijuana some gross. Let your isn't doing anything. Yeah dislikes us already. A beer local forever local forever. This is because i've seen you okay. This bill clinton or jeffrey bill clinton wearing a fucking grass. But this is the painting that they showed in the jeffrey epstein had this actually. i'm good. You actually had this bill that in his office or whatever so when you went into his house got confronted with disturbing image. This is jeffrey epstein house. I don't know where to go. I love my sunglasses. I just can't see shit fire. Let me get those sam new shoe. That was cool gucci. Glenn those are up adams she class. I wanna see if the about like Eighty just pushing everything. Give bribe you want to clean that. We really have like the least professional. Podcast off wednesday. It takes enough another level. These are more white executive singer. Not a more these are more like like non binary. But let's try. Let me try one. I rallo luke kuhn. I'm now at me. Ad both cooler in these in. You do for sure do you. Work with mit with the cia. Now those are more dynamic. You look kind of cool. I guess he gets cool sunglasses. I looked in my high or is one of the sides longer than the other side. I think adams got weird ears so they just got your high way. Maybe you're right. Maybe a ruler out at some point in the future and measure our dicks. This shit is yellow. Yeah i love. I love measuring my dick. Keep a ruler by the bed. Honestly you look to adult. Looks like a dark glasses on saying honestly animals like a narc. Though we with both of them. I had a friend once on his house and there was a knife by the by the toilet. I was like what's the knife for. He goes all our water pressures. That goods are sometimes. I have to cut my turds and half hour. That taking it drip. That's more of a man now. I remember wait. Highlight rock closed from fucking the brands that was censured in like all the time. That was the only time i would ever have anything weird. That wasn't a black t-shirt. Yeah you fucking with puma. I had to start. I had to start denying sherbro unless it was like pay. Promo code berlin. I need to wear actual drip. I can't be here puma. When i first started filming newsroom. One time i was just joking fucking puma. Just thought was funny. I might. We got lucky brand paid single. Hey look on the back says. Did you know in america. You can dial nine one. One and a racist murderer will arrive in two two minutes three days timeframe depending on your location. This message is brought to you by tribe. Ninety six i need. That's fire a racist murderer. Well that's fire. Keep that you know you keep the thing. No no we did it. We went through all. I wonder if there are more. Is the address on the story yet. It's on my instagram story. Guys want send anything in. It is on my instagram story. And that's all you need to know. This is so funny. I plan to talk about me and blassie's one that we started on our own today and still having to be the same day you wanna pull out collapsed and the fact that i pitched a show with do no god no response and then i wake up today in adam is him while we can have that conversation separately but podcast was not great. The whole thing needs work said that in a long time to watch. I don't watch the full right. Wow alright a pink gorilla. Six use cupcakes in it again. I liked the packaging though much. House lies definitely all your swag and you kind of art. Pinker will people when it comes with a suede razor so you can keep the hat clean. That's so fire. pitcher coveted. Wear a different one of these every day for a week. fashion listen. presentation is every day because got to take off the table. I get the screen like this shot right here. That's my kind of. Hey this way to racer in. Listen i'm gonna i'm gonna always fantasy myself right now. Jimmy please just posting himself on his instagram story. Over and over. I listened on. I wanna give them actual pointers shit. The presentation is everything. Presentation is amazing. I mean not really a fan of the logo really but like you got good. You got good. Quality blinds got good colors and the fact that it comes with the swayed razor area. Good touch out to pink fashion but quality is doug clean sway. Bro swayed eraser. Yes that's dope fiend. Full don't fit at those hats with perfect the dumpster. No that's really more of a pink. Doll pink daubing gorilla ping ping gorilla. Collab- it's in the same. My boy box. He kept he. Rpd pink dolphin over bro. They don't even stores. I even on fairfax. It's not box up in front of it and made a video. Like i told you really. They created a op with him. They serve them on inflame gangs. I'll always remember that. The first time i ever felt famous was when we did have log like ftp pulling up to the fucking because zag did a pop up in front of the pink. Dobbins says he was low key. Like just trolling them. And i pulled up to there and like the puja interviews out mad kids. Were telling me all off phone interview on my holy shit. That was one of the first time to actually realize like. Oh damn this should is actually working crazy one day me like me you and being on them. We rode bikes from your house to ftp huff. Collab- dash it was. That's when i realized that there was a lot of crazy shit going on from no jumper. How many people that was coming up to you and then people that's coming up to me. I just started like hanging out and it was the same thing like this crazy. I'm highest welcomes. No i am too for sure. Definitely a thing about us. We are smoked the could. Do we have any more packages. I actually really liked it. This win this direction. People people that watch the main show. I don't know how are they reacting. What the fuck are they doing. This is to seven k a light. Seven k seven kids like women put it on a story. Oh i guess he did whatever. Let's see this is the last thing that we didn't even open This is the is the fcc one again. that's george bush and he's playing with a paper airplane and some blocks on the ground. That's so fucking ear. I don't know. I don't really give george bush league eighty samuel's to fuck in the eighties. Because he he pulled up in the suit. And why did you take the you know in you watching code switching hoops webster. I'm at this nigga. Came look at professional bug even took off his debut blu ray. I couldn't do it. I had i had in front of the goat. I had to dress department supposed to do with me now for you should have put up in gucci. I told him. I would get him a jacket. He says no jacket can fit me. Like what's awkward body type thing when i get my suits fucking sewn up in mad directions and tells four days before the interview. He's like getting jack out a suit. I bought a suit at one point. And then i couldn't find the book and suit and wasn't even enough time did find bend lake a wedding or something with the suit after. I don't know what the fuck happened to probably do it away or just need to go buy one norstroms or some. Maybe never gonna try to sell you the most expensive soup because he's going to say one of his weird high means. I'll tell you go say okay. It was not going to say. Oh well yeah he's He gets a little bit offensive. Remember when when he gets super high he just picks one random thing to keep doing over and over. And one time it was him doing his hitler impersonation and it's just like allegedly nine resigned. What he's doing over these allegations. I to get a little awkward especially for the jewish people in the room. Probably john allegations. Just you know josh. My manager i love you stay with. I keep that. I keep the jews on. So you're not a minister farrakhan type of Like some negative things juicy off online without a no not at all. let's. I'll have nothing negative to say about nobody. You gotta find out. Where warehouse phone lives on the anti semitic totem pole. I'm anti drama antibodies. I'm anti brothers. i love everybody. I wished that i had a bagel to rodney. Did i start wearing sunglasses all the time. I like all right be bagel man bagel. It was a good one. I took them out this world. Which one was your favorite item of the clothes. I like the green thing. This way. cleaner this way cleaner. The socks i like the bar. A few different fits that. I plan on rocket. So you'll see me rocking them. you don't have to. they don't have to wear. They'll see it on a live. In effect on the pod are they. I mean they're senior right now to we. We shot at them all the we can't do this without bringing a homey sheet into. He bought us today. Data be fucked up. Bring into hoes mad man. They'll see them. No i remember i remember. He was here one time or something and this girl called me they but are you there. I'm like what she's like. My friend my friend does this hose. Man did it. I thought you were there. Just just know. We got some things in the works man. I was just like do you think live november. I'm there all the time i know. Long live in a fucking hut long until famous susan. To why sues who hose mad because the hose mad mean came from his own Song do you know where it's from. It came from home famous made. I don't think that would stand up in court. I think hoes mad is too general of a thing brand and it's like if famous decks had thought to copyrighted shit. Maybe the famous decks would. It came out with that clothing line. They would pop a key. Would've been enough that if somebody has a problem with no no no i mean by saying i'm just saying they can meet the blaming. That's all i can say so. Eighty s going to shoot famous day gulch. Famous got enough problems. Let me famous. Dick's japan hang out with start popping pills you kinda like tapping with his way for a while. Do they ride. I think he's trying to like clean. It up code switch we code switch and we browse switch it up with the squad and we house people people have been hitting me up knows flip and we know snitch. Good chop my dick off. I ain't got no tip. No dig these hoes pissed you thirty seconds you gave you know dick. That's low. dick. Slow love located on the low. Dick no no no. No no. I did a street where reveal and got a whole fit. No superman. I just wanted to figure. Oh i picked up a whole bitch my underwear to tight poll won't fit. I snuck to blame me in. Tow bag gun won't fit please. Palm fucked up in the caribbean sticky buns and shit honey buns and shit. You ruined adam. Twenty two watching zeh hilfiger for fun and shit. Oh i was today. Hilfiger a giant clear. Dick that was some queer ship. Just put up with a white weird bitch appetite. Are you guys down to. Lena comes on here with us. I think that's that's drain lean. His plan is to align these la prices but if he if he brings the po- so you're gonna monitor us in case anything happens you'll be there to to a little bit. No drink tequila. Come on that's not the same. You gotta pick your poison. You people get mad at us for during the data we got to do it. We got mad key and not saying anything and just happened. We just said double cups and we'll be talking slow by the end of it man. I'm uber i'm i fall asleep. I'm a uber that day. I don't think i want to drive like that. You like you don't even know where you live whip crasher lives docked in their docks me than you. Don't get to meet parker. I'm not gonna docks you okay. You got a baby. He didn't in he gave it. As you're picking me up you can come in the house. You're going to get any anybody jackson. You even met many times this real. Cgi my nigga. What the fuck. Okay when am. I allowed to meet the baby. Whenever you sound like you sound. Like when a nigga telling me that. Like i i go. I don't wanna got vaccinated. Did you give back to sixty seven or whatever age sixty seventy trying to get on this list. Where like if walgreens has like Like leftovers that they're about to get rid of because they haven't been able to give it to people they'll just like call random people on the list so i'll be on get a vaccine. I would not go to walgreens vaccine. Why not you want some designer shit ice cream from there. You're gonna dwayne reed okay. Ice cream vaccine are so different. One is a desert and one is potentially going to protect you from this life threatening disease. Good what makes you feel good in one can prevent you from feeling very bad. Can you just walk around no math after you get back to. You know you still spread it. That's what's fucked up. Is that like people look at me. Like i'm a fucking white supremacy my neighborhood because i walk around with no mass. Everybody got mass is so stupid like i'm not putting a mask down the street. I see morgan freeman a commercial and he made a commercial put on your mask. Yeah that's nice. I feel like brent has right now. What the fuck you know. It's a singer boosted shit up you know all right put a steeler pods over. He says you nasty. Don't be nasty. don't slow ourselves down to a crawl and now the pot is over. Let's go let's just accept it. Gentlemen no giambra show coups progress. The world eat a dick dot com. November dot com want support. Don't crap dot com new high rollers job coming very very soon. Follow me appalachia instagram. If you wanna tap into archery where review buyer pods on the channel. Go watch the travis porter interview right now and kevin samuels etc. Excetera coming at all the gang members. What else you got coming up this dookie. I'm just going to go home and take a big issue.

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There are so many stories to tell from seventeen sixty five to two thousand sixty five and your support is critical to our success so please go to eighteen sixty five podcast dot com and become a patron help us continue our work bringing history alive by going to eighteen sixty five podcast dot com. Have you seen the editorial in today's paper. Perhaps andrew johnson has a vested interest in keeping the trial from public view. The truth is uncovered. He's a puppet for the government of the confederates man who reads nothing at all as better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. Thomas jefferson said that that's not the only troubling article mr president the members of stanton's military commission are printed on the front page jury list a list. You were supposed to approve unless i'm mistaken. Take your not according to this article list was leaked by an anonymous source close to the white house mars every single juror on that commission to a the man is a lincoln either stanton loyalist and republicans regan the tribunal putting in the fix should've listened to you wills. I should've fired that uh-huh scratch when i had the chance that ship a sale of mr president the eyes of the nation of fixed upon this tribunal if you fire the head of the war department in the middle of his investigation into a southern conspiracy you're accused of being cut my nuts off in the press and the damn radicals and congress will move to impeach me. He should never have had his position to begin with mr president president. I had my reasons for keeping him on such as my reasons are my own mr president my the council is meaningless. If you don't confide in me the whole truth whatever you've done a will not change my loyalty to you or your presidency stays as between me and you understand it goes to the brave. You have my discretion sir a night. Lincoln was killed mm-hmm. I had company in my hotel room. Mrs johnson a brothel girl by the name of l. s. star mm-hmm stanton's been holding our over my head ever since i got a reelection think about wells. The people of in this country are good christian people. They will never abide an adulterer in the white house. If stanton leaks this story to the press. I'll be you riding out of washington city on rail. I don't require an explanation. Mr president stanton may be ready dog as you said many times before but i want you to know is not the only member of your cabinet who knows how to buy. A neighbor has many friends in washington mm-hmm. There's something to be found on wednesday. My friends will find they say in tennessee it takes a dog to catch is one only if i do bites like you assurances. I'll not be put collars off. Telegramme may ninth eighteen sixty five to major dick's from the war department today begins the military tribunal for the conspirators of the assassination of president lincoln orders convening the court were red and hearing of the prisoners mrs sarut who seems to have been one of the chief instigators and participants is very defiant and unrelenting edwin stanton secretary of war please. The court conspiracy here charged constitutes a crime the atrocity of which has never been seen. This is more than a murder. It's a treasonable conspiracy to aid the existing rebellion and subvert united states constitution conspiracy authored by jefferson episode davis and carried out by the confederate secret service succeed would've left the people of the united states without a president without a vice president and without a secretary of state who alone clothed with authority bylaw to call election to fill the vacancies of those offices there are some who right now even in the face of this iniquity prefer that this government take a position of leniency towards the rebels gentlemen tribunal not only a trial of the individuals here accused. This is a trial of the rebellion itself. If jefferson davis is the chief architect of these crimes then president johnson must not grant amnesty not to jefferson davis interest not to the confederate officers who presided over the insurgency and not to the wealthy plantation owners who funded this bloody rebellion. If davis is responsible the south as as a whole is responsible leave the decision of this dread issue with you the jurors whatever else may befall i trust in god that this court will fulfill its duty to redress every wrong to avenge every crime crime to vindicate the majesty of law and to maintain inviolate the constitution of the united states and mrs sarah nationally field. You have a visitor. This is congressman john bingham eloquence courtroom you know as i not committed to testify in my own trial. We have not yet. Have you speak. I'd like a moment alone with their margin of course are you. My roman centurion mr bingham when you posted paul paul was arrested. The romans bound his wrists and stripped off his clothes. I'll turn to a nearby centurian asked is it lawful alfred flog a man who is a roman citizen and uncondemned tyrians free bible well. I hope you are here spam. You're flogging mr congressman. I insist after mrs tara. You and your son committed treason in time of war. We did no such thing the facts paint a different picture accidents the morning this nation mr mr boothe came to your boarding house in washington after you to deliver a bag supplies your taverns russell just outside the city and i liked him. Guess make question meal time. This was after mr boothe murdered. The president. You're tavern was the first place he went. He asked your man there. Mr loyd to fetch a back if he asked him to something else to and as i said guns cicero to write this is lloyd says you told them the shooting and have them ready for mr bussereau. Mr loyd says you knew about the rifles because your son place them. They're hid them above the ball weeks before the assassination the facts do not your son was a confederate agent. Use your boarding house andro tavern to plan the assassination of abraham lincoln and he took his orders directly from jefferson davis and the confederate secret service shirts. I do not know anything about the secret service. Where is your song. I told the marshall already. I don't know he left without important findings. It's only a matter of time you do sure you pay for his club's. My son is innocent. I swear eric. An honest witness does not deceive but a false witness was out lies. I see you know you. If you want to save your son mississippi rob start telling the truth mr bingham wait. Komo son did hide the rifles. Mr boothe wasn't part of a plot to sas innate mr lincoln <music> plot to kidnap him. Sorry to drop in on like this at home. No no it's fine. What can i do for you. We need to talk about what jefferson davis come in. Is it true the paper say davis was wearing his wife's clothes when they found him hiding in plain sight yes from what i understand. He's quite attractive woman. You have the mighty fallen. The great jefferson davis president of the confederacy wearing a dress might have embellished the details to the press technically. He was wearing his wife's shawl but the dress had a better into it. It's important that people of this country see davis who he really is a feckless coward or the architect of vast criminal conspiracy putting want davis brought back to washington for questioning mr bring on. I need to take his statement stanton. We can leverage his cooperation. Davis won't cooperate and he certainly won't implicate himself. In a criminal conspiracy. He'll keep his mouth shut and wait for a pardon from president as an johnson. A pardon. You'll receive johnson has his way. I need to keep davis is far away from this tribunal and andrew johnson as i possibly can. Can we have have a problem and what would that be for one thing. This kidnapping plot does not help our cau- course it does mary surat confirms her son's involvement and therefore the involvement of the c._s._s. Yes s in the kidnapping not these assignation. The two plots were perpetrated by the same conspirators mr bingham they are not mutually exclusive schemes booth and his men tried to kidnap lincoln not once but twice and both times they failed when richmond fell and lisa rendered the plan escalated. That's your theory theory and i'm not saying it's an invalid. Where's the prue we have. Mary surat and the rest of booth's conspirators dead to rights. Potentially you have to do better than potentially intially must have been a minute guilty verdicts across the board. You need more than that if i put mary sarah and the rest of boots conspirators away for life that still doesn't prove the southern conspiracy. I think we need to draw a direct line from john wilkes booth to the c._s._s. and if davis won't talk there's only one man who can do that. Johnny sarah through what's been missing since the assassination facination. He hasn't surfaced by now. Fails better on the han won't find him. Maybe one man in washington city who hates losing more than you. Stanton find surat <hes> bringing me more evidence mr benham wake. There is someone who can help us. Was that <music>. Take a walk showing a sticker name cleef. He's sandra real name. James wallace sir your real name charles dunham. My christian first name was john lewis boop behind the attacks on april fourteenth was an actor. I very good one is never the one pull strings who was jefferson. Davis businesses s who carried out davis's orders. Johnny sarah perceived marching orders from jefferson. Davis boost guy from janis right. I just have a few questions. I'd like to ask you where you from new york and have you ever been conscripted as a soldier for the confederacy testified in the canadian trial last year right according to my records in canada you testified you from virginia and that you did fight for the south differences does that make and word that the legal profession sir perjury canadian law has no bearing in the united states mister dunne mister dunham miskel my family kavas. I'm none of the union and the rebels. Mr wallis helped me understand. I'm hi. What are you confused about. Mr khan over. I did like off the central function of my job. There are men in the coronet rebel agents released james wallace. I told the truth the book stanton moment frigo soon operations on the standard state telling you won't matter these discrepancies discovered discovered will have. I have no doubt cannot over the defense. Put him on the stand. It's not the defense on worried about his press. This story breaks won't put him. I'm on the stand mr benham. He was is wearing a goddamn dress. That's what stanton told me sir. He also told me you personally ordered him to send jefferson davis to a military outpost in georgia at lyon weasel sle wooden scratch his own mama if she had fleas who's in command down their general wilson sir i want davis brought back to the capital immediately. That might have inadvertently advert done you a favor. Mr president davis is presence could stir up southern sympathizers and northern agitators to we don't want riots in the streets on your watch. Perhaps it's best davis stay. Hey where he is sort of a man puts on address my friends tell me stat and fabricated that story to impugn davis's character in the press lion little snake aac. That's not all he lied about sir. What's this visitor log from the mall. Talk prison ship lucia heo secretary -tary stanton arranged for miss hale visit boots body. Why in god's name would he do that for the same reason he convinced you to appoint john parker hale ambassador the spain lucy hale was john wilkes booth lover mr president and more than that my friends tell me she was feeding him information. If that's true is she not been arrested affair question. I believe the answer is obstruction of justice. Stan protected lucy from investigation and he covered up a story in the press to shield her father from scandal. I'll be damned mr president you can't stand right now anyway but perhaps sir the remedies these his resignation and never resigned. Are you aware just as katrin as on his deathbed. The doctors say won't make it through the night on the hailed as catcher and i have to do with anything. The supreme court stands lifelong dream mr president if you help him achieve at you won't have to fire all leave of his own accord gracefully <music> quietly mars mister johnson mr wells stanton sit down. Both of you bit unusual. Isn't it wells president being summoned to the war department yes generally a summons happens the other way around president lincoln the group quite fond of the long walk from the white house time i trust you will do the same now to business. What is the meaning of this. It's an opinion from the attorney general. I know what it is wells. Why is it been drafted. I'm moving forward with them. Nasty mars the attorney general assigned off now. All i have to do is make it official with the stroke of my pant as president. I am begging to not do this. You like to beg for something. Extending went onto your position my position i don't like seeing sources from the white house land my character day in and day out mars and if i don't have loyalty in my own cabinet and what do i have. I have not responsible for the leagues you take us for. If i were to leak undisclosed information took the press believe me mr president the content would be of a much different nature it. I'd like to rue his now. Mr president and what's on we had an understanding you mean new thought i'd been nova because l. a. star aw i was under the impression go ready bad mister peres watch yourself up averred to appeal to your sense of loyalty so loyalties a two way street yes. It is sir what i receive i will pay back tenfold and what did you receive from john parker. Heo must've been important. John wilkes booth tossed into the daughter. A senator is one thing but you protect her from the investigation of an entirely different color whereas boot journals and locked away in your vault making a terrible mistake mr president you know who passed away this just as katrin man served on the supreme court with distinction for thirty years good ole boy john katrin cut his teeth and tennessee lifelong democrat like me like you used to be is a staunch conservative canton familiar with mr caltrans record see. There's a lot of pressure for me to maintain the status. Quo pick another jackson man but then again. I'm the president and i can do as i damn. Well please. We can go to war you and me stanton. Oh we can be friends. You can resign as secretary of war and in return. I'll give you a lifetime appointment to the supreme court but you gotta decide. You've got to give me your answer right here. Right now. May direct yes mister. Secretary has ella star been brought to the arsenal. Yes sir. She's been added to the witness for the prosecution. Per your instruction. Thank you major dismissed. Yes there's here's my answer. Miss star has been instructed to keep your name out of her mouth for the moment. What happens next is up to you. Jackson will be all <music> mister hale secretary welles to what do i owe this pleasure. I i wanna do wish you well on your journey to spain congratulations ambassador. Thank you though i suppose president. Johnson is the one who deserves my gratitude or edwin stanton. Yes he did have handed more than a hand. I'd say a long arm is closer to the mark always does right by his friends and he does doesn't they how daughter by the way from what i hear she's quite distraught over mr booths dead. Lucie is distraught trough but only to leave behind the only home she's ever known. Mr boothe has nothing to do with it. Come now mr young girls heart as attended a thing the lose her fiance especially under such circumstances. Mr boothe was not her fiance. Mr wells as you know. Those stories in the press have been exposed for what they they truly are fictious pose. Mrs. stanton deserves. You'll gratitude for that as well. Is there something that can do for you. Sir stanton destroy those pages and booths journal mister hale but he didn't cover your daughter's drugs as well as he thinks he did anyway. Hubris has always been stands achilles heel green. What's your achilles achilles. Heel father is everything. I said go to your room. Do as i say yes. I think we have lawrence here. What do you want no ambassador to the question is do you want you can keep your position or i can finish what stanton started in place your daughter under arrest veteran pen and paper. You're going to make a speech before you depart for spain italy your grand finale <music> distinguished gentlemen of the senate. Thank you for allowing me you to speak to you today. It has been my life's greatest pleasure to serve by your side these last few years before i embark on a new adventure venture across the atlantic i have but a few words of wisdom left to impart in the wake of our country's darkest hour as we seek to set right the wrongs of the past. Let us not carry forward with us the sins of darkness gentlemen. If trial by jury is overthrown in this country take the rest. I would not lift my hand or open my mouth nor council mike constituents to shed a drop of blood or pay a dollar of treasure. If the constitution is to be preserved emasculated of this safeguard of liberty you do my esteemed colleague edwin stanton secretary of the department of war. I say this sir. If you're going to throw a dragnet over the land if you are to bring in this whole people and subject them to the penalties that may be inflicted by military tribunals and these court martials than the last step in the humiliation humiliation and degradation of the country is taken and we shall be left fit insurance for any despotism that the bold old and the lawless macy proper to establish over us mr stanton. I just read ambassador hale's remarks. Pay no doubt the work of that neptune in reprobate gideon welles at copperheads gray back in billions uniforms is more more than a shot across the bow from the navy. Secretary is a fiery rebuke from the lips of john parker hale. It's more political maneuvering mr laxed and nothing more uh limp attempt by wells turn the radical republicans against me and attack on you is an attack on the freedman's bureau. The bureau cannot afford to alienate the radical doc were they will see through this transparent stunt more importantly they will endure thorny investigations along as it aims to deliver the south the punishment and deserves and with respect mr stanton at the moment. It seems president. Johnson is the one doling out the punishment. General howard has received instructions from the white house to begin the process of repossessing the lands. We've given to the free. Johnson doesn't have the authority but he seems to think he does. The attorney general agrees with him. No no speeds a a friend. He's on our side. Believe you me one might read his opinion on johnson's amnesty order in think of us the attorney general to strike back at johnson speeds a republican republican but his real allegiance lies with the letter of the law need to make a compelling legal or do you want don't forget i was the attorney general president buchanan only person in washington city who knows constitutional law better than speeders me of course have one struck general howard to ignore johnson's johnson's order and proceed with resettling the friedman. I'll take care of speed a readout to go to war with the president of the united states. Mr langston wars wars already begun june twenty second eighteen sixty five the opinion of the attorney general freedman's bureau has authority and is required by law to set apart for the friedman forty acres of land per man the president's forty as it relates to the power of pardon does not extend to the restoration of confiscated lands. I'm james speed attorney. Gen spineless speed indeed slither about the justice office on his belly like the serpent in the garden of eden attorney general that worries me mr president edwin stanton tribunal. Oh you must go on the attack. I've played all my cards wells. I lucy hale over his head. Dangle the supreme court in front of him. Paola the last shot john parker hale right up his cornhole like a cannonball and he didn't even win since the president my friends here all manner of things about stands tribunal. What do you know oh about stanton. Star witness sanford conver- these a hell of a spy if not a touch on the shadowy side more than touch sir stands entire conspiracy. Z. case hangs on conifers testimony. My friends have reason to believe that testimony is vulnerable. How i could tell you mr president or i can spare you the details and you can read about it in the papers like everyone else as long as my hands are clean. My friends are very discreet s- here hit him welsh approach that at ride in his vile mouth june twenty-sixth eighteen sixty five from the new york daily tribune. The testimony of sanford conifer is the latest in a string of egregious offenses perpetrated by the prosecution. Mr conifer has clearly perjured himself in the name of proving the prosecution's conspiracy case he is at best deranged and at worst a liar of the compulsive variety in either case it follows he is not to be believed nor should the jurors of the tribunal give any credence to witnesses put forth by edwin m stanton over the prosecution russian. You got damn fool. That's no way to talk to an old friend william. Have you seen the papers the sick eulalie when he's entertaining company company secretary seward mister big. Will you give us the room. Please good stay. If you want a witness to this conversation so be it. I told you you to do this. Above board integrity i believe is the exact word i use. San for. Carnivora is a valuable asset. I'm sure he is valuable. You'll say whatever you want wanting to see even if it means committing perjury convert didn't perjure himself in canada. He lied to maintain his cover with the c._s._s. For god's sake you're the secretary of state shouldn't have to explain to you the nature of our clandestine operations. Mr sued i recognize these articles seems damning on its jamming is an understatement be that as it may i assure you mr carnivores testimony is legitimate. How can that be. The statements. He made in canada. Were under duress z. Assess agents were present in the audience of the courtroom that day. If he would've told the truth and compromise his cover those men would have taken him into a dark alley someplace and slit his throat. He's telling the truth william. His testimony is real. The conspiracy is real. Johnson knows i'm a hair's breadth away from proving it which is exactly why he leaked. This babar -cation to the press. You're saying johnson is but understood of course. He is at corn cracker you. He knows i'm right. He knows i'm gonna prove conspiracy and he knows when that happens happens. He will not be able to pardon south and if he doesn't accomplish that he will never see a second time mr bingham you stand by what mr stanton is saying. We do my entire reputation on it. I suppose i'm satisfied for the moment. Are you going to apologize for calling calling me a goddamn full. When you apologize for all the terrible things you called me in the past. Don't hold your breath converse. Testimony has has been officially stricken from the record which means you've just lost your only connection between john wilkes booth and jefferson davis. That's not entirely true on your feet. Mrs you need your thank. You forgive me stanford major major wiser had covered you order burlap sacks police on the heads of all the conspirator sir. I meant all the men remove it major now. Just yes sir the shackles to right away. Sir better thank sir. My name is edwin. Stanton ahead of water lead. You know complicated been mrs sarah. I've just spoken with your daughter and how is she. She's not permitted to leave your boarding house nowhere as your business permitted to operate till the tribunal's concluded on a tells me you're on the brink of insults can help. We can get you home to your daughter. Wouldn't you like that this law than anything. We're prepared to offer you a deal. We'll release you from the montauk and pardon you of all offenses only to sign the statement and what does it say that your son conspired with mr boothe to assassinate president lincoln and he took his orders directly from jefferson davis and the c._s._s. <music> sign this home to your daughter. I see you wear winning mystifying. Do you have children. Yes ma'am three daughters. Then you know the bible says thou shalt not bear folks witness against the neighbor. I shall not bear false witness against my son business law. I knew you're trying to protect your son but it might be retired. Start thinking about protecting yourself. All you have to do is sign. This document do that an insure. You escaped the nukes and i'll see your song description of three or certain. I saw i've done nothing wrong. <music> <music> july fourth eighteen sixty five to the office of the war department. The trial of the conspirators has concluded based on the lack of evidence. We are inclined to find. Mary surat innocent of all charges mr bingham. This is unacceptable. Who all right uh-huh need guilty verdicts across the board told you the evidence was dive. Don't care he should fine shied said go go back to the jurors and tell them. I want a guilty verdict with a death sentence. You wouldn't executed woman. If your mother was about to be put to death for a crime. She didn't commit a crime from which you could exonerate her. What would you do. You want to draw him out. If we give her death surat will come forward clear her name and tell us us everything we need to know about the c._s._s. The tribunal will never agree to it and i don't blame them. Tell them this if they agreed to find mrs sarah guilty guilty with the sentence of death. I will ease their conscience and allow them to make clemency recommendation to president johnson. I only want surat to see her sentence in the papers when he does he'll come forward and some would make the deal in eighteen sixty. Five is an airship production. 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"The. Guys podcast this appro back for back two thousand seven a lot of front in this episode. And then some reviews as empathy wind dot com starts to ship personal huge. Thank you to all of you that pre-ordered the rose eighty on its way Killebrew tasted taste, but this a little throwback. I think a lot of people much about wine pay attention. This is my content from twelve years ago. And I think for a lot of you aspiring to make content on interim and podcast. This will help you like this is a long journey plus a little fun to Twitter launching that. I think a lot enjoyed so joy. Everybody walk to library TV. I'm your host, Gary vais, ner, Chuck and this. How to this is why library TV so we take pretty seriously even get a little goofy. And have a lot of fun and get a little loud and obnoxious an over the top and jersey on your butts trying to mouth clean, we are taking very seriously. I'm tasting a lot of serious wine lately. But very fortunate had a great us seventy five Scots last night, real real nice. Really really excited about what I've gotten fun of you today. I've got four ninety point wines all that. I've never tasted before all that. I want to taste. So let's be honest don't deserve a bone. I mean, come on. Can I do show? That means something to me. Will you give me that still doing the Twitter thing decided to give you a link right over here to my Twitter. So you can add me because way too many people emailed me yesterday asking me how to become my Twitter friend, and that's tough and speaking of being social because on a social kind of guy for one another link my favorite little site. My only my Spacey kind of site porked my count. This is the why geeks my space come enjoy me become my friend. You'll see what? So I think we're having a whole lot of fun because there will be four sincere winds in front of you for wines. I think tremendous values on paper. Now paper is dangerous because a lot of times you beat a certain way and doesn't become. The reality. But I'm pretty confident we got some great, pedigree, some great wineries and today. No vibrating. I read your comments yesterday on the Twitter tax that bothered. You the vibration was distracting today. It's on silent. But I can see from my I I don't let the computer or the machine or the man control me. I don't need to look at it that they're coming in and answer some questions at the end keeping a little semi interactive. So let's start with the first one today. This comes from a legendary burgundy producer. Hi this because I'm getting this racket. This is the version two thousand four grand avalanche shabbily. Now, this is nineteen US dollars. Which is a nice price for Shipley and ninety points peer review who no longer right closes who no longer rights for Robert Parker wine advocate, but was a longtime decade long fixture. This is eighty percent three to five year old French oak, which is you know, an interesting practice for inexpensively and twenty. Sent stainless steel. I'm gonna talk about Brancheau stainless steel little bit today because you have very different wines. When you go from oak or stainless steel. Okay. Get those very round mouth build creamy, Okie milky wines us thing was still yet much more. Purity of the fruit you really letting the grapes do the speaking for say and a lot of hundred white wines, crisp clean lines with red wines thinner refine, though focused fruit flavor. So I find this interesting. I liked the concept of people using a little bit of both. This is not new French oak either. Which obviously when you have a new friendship that bigger sense of the flavor from the barrels think about the thing you buy that you put into your car little like palm trees or whatever the interest in the beginning. Boy. Oh, boy does that snazzy up your little whip. But later on you know, you just don't smell it anymore shriveled like iota. And so that's really what's going on with this little three to five years. So you can get some subtle. I think let's give it a world as you can see nice color nothing to. With it again on paper. Peter von tough critic, nineteen bucks ninety points little coffee America, right over k back in the hot seats feels good to have them there. It's give it a world. Nice subtle fruit on the nose, actually, get very intriguing pretty. Obvious to me smell of grape nuts, which is one of my favorite serious. I'm getting a little Greeneace. A little grape nuts covered with a little bit of butter. So think of grape nuts with a little butter? Not put in the microwave intriguing dish the map to try that. This smells like little Christmas. I get a little seashell. Got a little man. Tuck it on the nose in here. A little seashell. East coast, which I'm more of a west coast big shadow the Komodos. Let's give it a world. Zingy a nice little tweak of line juice. I'm this a lot of lime in swine. Actually, the most line tasting the white wine and the whole whole longtime wouldn't have expected from Chablis which don't forget as one hundred percent Chardonnay. Lighter than I expected a little bit more off balance. I get I get a very entr do get a little bit more of that seashell. I think I'm definitely getting. Ocean. Breeze weird. I don't know this one is lighter than I expected it by by leaps and bounds actually really almost more Soviet Blunkett than Chardonnay accepted. A little hint of oaken cream, which expect with a Chardonnay. I'm gonna disagree with Vanni a guy who I tend to agree with a whole lot. I'm going to score this wind eighty six points, not feeling it. I think it's a big pass throw up eight Z's, and and definitely put that twenty dollar Bill back in your pocket. Let's move on. Surprising stunts. As two thousand five total. This is from the total region Spain, which is getting super super hot twelve US dollars. This is ninety points J Miller, and this is one hundred percent Tinca detoro, which is also temporal Neo, but is known as temple Tinto. Tinto the TOTO in the total region. And this is completely aged in stainless so told you we'd be talking about that a little bit. Again, Jane Miller who now writes for the wine advocate does the Spanish wines, and Australia winds and a couple of other things I think a real good guy. Doctor Jay Z's known can't. So again, twelve bones ninety points on paper once again and on collar. This is going to bring the thunder. I mean this dark dark dark color purple black really really intimidating a lot of purple edges. It's really mad Barney. I'm a little bit scared. It's world. Kind of a stinky knows a little bit. Smells, a little chemically for me. And that's not so great actually smells like cheap Spanish wine to me. So awful off on the news. I'm ready a little bit disappointed. A lot of Spanish wines tend to have a little bit of like that. I don't know like hairspray. But none of the hair space smell like, I don't know. Just like gas a silent gas silent but deadly gas that Harrison, maybe. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's really coming off extremely chemically with like cherry on top cherry. Just so we can trick you. It's wine. I'm really disappointed with wines. I get them. Sometimes Grenache base wines. That go with this. I'm not a fan of this garbage. Plus, hairspray. This isn't good either swine is very one dimensional and that dimension is crap. It's very very much as fake as it gets. I mean, this is Hollywood all the girls run around in Hollywood. I mean, though, pretty and looks like it should be pretty fakeness going on this wine tastes, like artificial wine dub, if you know what I mean. And so I'm very much against wine like this. This wine taste. Made and not true from the vineyards. I'm down in this wine. I'm going to score this seventy eight points because everything I hate about the wine industry, it tastes artificial fake. It is chemically really really tastes like, it's not wine and added whine flavors. This may be the future with all the technology that scaring everybody. However. Not the future for me was wine. I'm pass on this wine. And I'm giving it a seventy against some people might find it drinkable. And it's like a sugar. It's not my style. And again, there's some people who'd like this. It's got some candy flavors. It's got a little strawberry. Again. I can't get over the fakeness. All right. Please be prima auto bad start two thousand four Toro a gray area. Don't let this flying. From Tokyo gets you down a big fan of total eleven months in French oak. Thirteen US dollars one hundred percent team. Don't be no ninety points. Jay miller. Give us a world. Oy. These ones from Toro shor are not bashful about colored, by the way, really quick note on a lot of people said that everybody's fearful of technology. Eliminating peoper people interaction was reading a lot of the commentary because thought it was an interesting question a little philosophy kind of thought process going on with question, and I've actually found that there's more interaction with people because of technology. I stay in touch with many more friends as a matter of fact, I wish that I was part of the generation I've lost touch with lots of friends from high school and college that if there was the technology in place that would still be able to interact, and as a matter of fact things have made me interact with people because technology somebody will or Twitter me like three blocks away, and I'd get out and and jumped into some shorts and go and hang out with them. I think it's really cool at find more human interaction might not be face to face the emotions inside my body when I interact feeling the same way. I don't know. I think has video catches up, and it's going, I don't know not that. I totally understand this go fishing and hugging. Bad those kind of things down for, you know, all about family, but kind of interesting she should get interesting time gives on it's interesting. I'm gonna use interesting twenty four times. All right. Extremely dark. I mean, this is as dark as gets you cannot see through it. It's a dark as and a very very worrying to go down the Sally. But I will because I do things for you. Let's give this a whirl. And this has clearly Arman knows wouldn't say oak monster. I get that dairy aspect milky milk in the hissy. Nice dark cherry. Good liquorice. This is a nice powerful, fourteen eight alcohol content, thirteen bones ninety points. J miller. This is bringing a lot of heat. Hopefully, not on the pallets give it a world. Is a big wine old world fans. Leave no doubt very explosive fruit. Very rich. Monstrous if you're a fan of the Cleo, you're going to like this. Now, unlike the Cleo, which brings a lot of secondary and third tier and throw up the four for me even a fourth level of flavor and complexity this going with about one point seven percent complexity in different flavors. The first one is massive that richness and explosion that tricks people when I get into wine or even for a long time because it's so God darn delicious. This is delicious black currant blackberry liquorice. I like it. It's a one dimensional monster. I mean, that's all it's got. And if he can counter, it's like a boxer can throw a left hook if you can counter it once you figure it out you're going to beat it. I'll I'm like Tyson. If you've got rid of his timid factor. He was beatable. This wine reminds me of that or king hippo, Eric great work. Big shadow to Mike Tyson's punch out. I was stuck on king hippo for a while. But once you figured it out. He was very beatable same with this. I could break a lot of instant pleasure. Lots for a lot of people, especially if you like new world big explosive wines. I like this wine. However as you get into your seventh or eighth bottle in your case. I think it's going to get a little bit of noise. It's like those people you love when you first meet, and it's a little bit too much other way around actually grow on you. I promise. Let's go eighty nine plus on this. I can't go ninety not an idea to me. There's a lot of people think this is a ninety ninety one point. It's still extremely good. I'm very much worth seeking out for thirteen US dollars. Let's move on. Oh, this should be good. I'm a big fan of this region. To main core be two thousand three sink Youssef, which is wrong. Why MRs Sarah based wine twenty one dollars ninety points. Robert Parker bringing the Rhone anytime. I'm a huge huge fan of this region. I think they'd make some of the best ones in the world, and Saint step is very under appreciated a lot of people know coat Doronin, a lot of people know shoplift the pop, but a lot of people don't know, the central, and they tend to be very good wines for very nice prices. But the problem is there's so much junk in that people kinda shied away from it. And I don't blame them because when you rolling three out of ten you're only a hall of Famer baseball, some really nice color. Really nice. Interesting. Very very modern knows I'm getting almost like a. Got a very fruity aspect. Very interesting. This has a very solid component almost like segues. Peppermint spearmint and then quickly vegetal aspect. I really don't know. How to explain it other than let's go three way transformer starting as a beautiful golden plump plums on golden beautiful dark black Plum quickly transforms into spearmint gum, and then right into a piece of asparagus. Kind of that three way move with transformers coming on Soon Kit. We movie I think that's a perfect way to describe this news. It's a transformer knows me. And it's weird. It's very interesting. It really does go Plum spearmint spiritus screaming span. It's pretty cool. Give it a world. I like the knows a lot, and it's very different. With lighted, and I was hoping ninety Parker. I was kind of thinking that I love this producer. He makes some amazing high end Cornelissen some other wines. Boy, it's doing a lot of that Houdini on me. It's Justice appearing flavors. Very thin. It was intriguing really nice black pepper. I almost got a little eucalyptus there for a few seconds gone. A little dirty old leather shoe. I like that it was very intriguing and then it kind of really man from the second stage. Third tier it was just gone really disappeared on me. Yeah. Scored a swine eighty six points. It just it doesn't do it for me all the way and again for twenty one bones. You have to pass this heart. Well, even even the total. I think could be I mean, this could almost be an over. This is top four ninety pointers. Good mood. But. It just didn't work out for the Primoz definitely for new world fans. A lot of people love that Cleo from Spain. So I really wanna recommend people go seek the south. But I can honestly tell you that this is a pretty disappointing day for me because I was really intrigued by all these lines really looking forward to it. So before anything else? Vignette wristband pictures continue to come in pouring in by the billions so up Twitter questions. Right. Almost forgot were doesn't. Let's see. What's going on here to begets eighteen very nice? All right. So let's do something. So why don't friends let? This is gonna be tough, actually. All right. Let's do. Let's get to the questions. Johnny walker. Blue says what bridal pin Taj most similar to Johnny Walker blue or John blue label. Sorry, penal Taj is not similar to anything. It's really bananas and copper, and so it's really its own thing. I mean, it's really like. It's like one of those grapes that you really can't. Antiquated with any other great out there. So you've got a really, I don't know. You really got to go. And try penal Tajiks it's really its own animal. It's like saying what animals the giraffe? No, similar to you know. Let's move on. Ramp shaker says, Gary what kind of training do you need to have in order to properly score wine. Ramczyk. Very serious stuff. Think rocky four. I mean, I would put logs on my back and go through the snow, and you know, I'd invite Mr. T to punch me in my mouth. Call weather's I would run on the beach. And I'm like, hi five and a very awkward kind of man man, loved way. I mean, you've got to really train hard. I read books when I was fourteen. I would throw rocks at my palate. Chip fourteen p. You got to catch bunny rabbits in the wild and bite them on their ass. I'm into really serious regimen. My answer to you seriously is no training at all at your palate. Scored exactly the way you want to score it, and Utah anybody who doesn't agree with you to sit down and taste, the wine and tell you what they think because wine is a complete and open experience and everybody's got their own palette. I've got mine, and I never asked anybody to totally agree with me. It's just my opinion. And I hope I can add a little value. Matt to learning how to update and Castro is Twitter. Oh, that's not a question that she says overall statement why not selling time for today's wines. Please. Oh, that's what a lot of people been asking me. This is where Twitter comes through. Let's talk about selling blinds this one right here. I think is actually very thin as drink now for the next two or three years. I think the prima is one you can definitely put away for two to five years. I'd really like to see what happens it could tone down and maybe create some second and third year flavors. Some very sneaky wine. And this is really something that you can put away for another year or two. But again, also a little bit lighter one dimension. I got I might have not been the best selling time. But what you've reminded me? Why not and something I'll try to bring more into the shows. Let's find one more here. Just for kicks in giggles. Direct from skip London ever. Hear of a wine called episode supposed to be answered to opus one at half the cost. I haven't all do some homework on that. And maybe we'll get it on the show. Let me get one other one if I can Matt three eight six six, Gary if you were limited budget and wanted to start building a decent seller over time. What winds would you start with Mattie? Great question. Probably Cree question for a lot of people get on wines that can sell our longtime and splurge too many people by wines that they can afford and by seven to twenty of them thirty of them. And you know, what you end up not liking those wines. They don't tend to be the winds that you gravitate towards so what I tell you to do is gravitate towards wines that you don't like to complex to Tanic. You don't like them so much and splurge so instead of buying five ten wines at ten bucks, buy one or two wines at thirty or forty or fifty dollars and buy them in burgundy or Bordeaux classic areas that you may not enjoy yet. I promise you as you develop your palate in the snow at the log you will find a way to enjoy question of the day. Very simply how awesome is this. I cannot. Thank you. Do you know how much I love you guys? How awesome is this? Because you with a little bit of me would definitely change in the wine world.

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Sarah Ware

Murder Minute

27:57 min | 5 months ago

Sarah Ware

"Welcome to murder minute on. Today's episode. Sarah where but. I your true crime headlines. A man has been arrested in the hit and run. Death of rapper. Nicki monagas father sixty four year. Old robert mirage was struck by a car at six fifteen pm last friday. While walking along rossland road in long island he was taken to a hospital and was pronounced dead on saturday. Seventy year. old. Charles pulled vich was arrested wednesday for the killing and faces charges of leaving the scene of an incident and tampering with physical evidence in connection with the death poll which says that he stopped briefly to ask the injured man if he was okay but did not call for help according to police poll. Vich who splits time between long island and guam where he runs an environmental consulting business is free on bail following an arraignment in nassau county court. His driver's license has been suspended. He was ordered to surrender his passport and judge said that he cannot leave the state. Nassau county police. Detective stephen fitzpatrick said at a news. Conference quote. He was absolutely aware of what happened. He got out of the car and looked at the deceased got into his car and made the conscious decision to leave. Instead of darling nine one one instead of calling an ambulance for the man. He went home and secluded the vehicle. He's aware of what he did. Pull the bitches lawyer. Michael coto described what happened as tragic accident and said their thoughts are with the mirage in green bay. Wisconsin the brown county trial of a man accused of killing his wife in two thousand thirteen has been postponed after the judge. Hearing the case broke his ankle. The trial for james prokopowicz was going into its fourth day thursday. But now we'll be pushed to monday seventy five year. Old prokopowicz is on trial for first degree intentional homicide with a domestic abuse modifier in the death and disappearance of fifty nine year. Old victoria prokopov. It's who went missing. In april twenty thirteen brown county circuit court judge timothy infamous slipped on the ice wednesday after leaving the courthouse. According to court officials. The judge broke his ankle in three places and will undergo surgery on friday. South dakota's attorney general was charged. Thursday with three misdemeanors for striking and killing a man with his car last summer avoiding more serious felony charges in a case that raised questions about how the state's top law enforcement official first reported the crash. Republican jason ravnsborg could face up to thirty days in jail and up to a five hundred dollar fine on each charge round. Berg is charged with careless driving driving out of his lane and operating a motor vehicle while on his phone. Ravnsborg who was elected in twenty eighteen initially told authorities that he thought that he struck a deer or another large animal as he drove home from a republican fundraiser late on september twelfth. He said that he attempted to search the unlit area with the flashlight on his cell phone but did not realize he had killed a man until the next day when he returned to the scene relatives of the victim. Fifty five year old. Joseph beaver said they were quote disappointed but not surprised that the attorney general was only facing misdemeanor charges. Beavers family questions rounds berg's account and expressed frustration. That five months pass while they waited for charging decisions. I was afraid the charge would be something on the order of crossing the white line. Bieber's cousin nick nemec said and that's exactly what the charge was but hyde county. Deputy state's attorney. Emily savell said. The evidence simply doesn't support felony charges of the hickey. Their homicide or manslaughter rounds. Berg wasn't intoxicated. she said and a manslaughter. Charge would have required the state to prove that he quote consciously and unjustifiably ably disregarded a substantial risk rounds berg said in a statement quote. I appreciate more than ever that the presumption of innocence placed within our legal system. Continues to work those your true crime headlines up next sarah where but first a quick break here at murder minute. We focus on the facts and skip the chitchat. But sometimes there's more to the story. Conflicting reports rumors theories unverifiable with accounts. And more. now you can join us. Live every saturday as we dissect and discuss every detail during our weekly murder minute. Post mortem only on stereo stereo is a free live broadcast social platform that enables people to have real conversations in real time on stereo. You can ask me questions about the case. Tell me your theories and even suggest stories for future episodes murder. Minute is excited to offer you this killer new way to interact with us. 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Alarm comes in multiple colors and has a brass keychain so that you can attach it to your keys or your back i keep one birdie on my keys one in my apartment and one in the car and i'm giving a birdie to every woman i know. Join the flock today for a safer tomorrow right now. She's birdie is offering our listeners. Fifteen percent off your first purchase. When you go to she's birdie dot com slash murder. Minute go to. She's birdie spelled s. h. e. s. b. i r. d. i. e. dot com slash murder. Minute four fifteen percent off. That's she's birdie dot com slash murder. Minute welcome back to murder. Manip- in the fall of eighteen ninety eight in the small coastal town of books port main on the evening of september seventeenth fifty two year old. Sarah where left the home of mrs miles to go into town. Sarah had lived at the miles farm for about ten years. A divorced mother of four. Sarah wear worked odd jobs cleaning houses and babysitting to make ends meet and that night. She was on her way out to do her rounds collecting some of her wages and to stop by the town's store. Sarah told mrs miles that she intended to call on john bolduc one of her previous employers and when she didn't return mrs miles supposed that she had been engaged to help him again for a time. But when after a week had passed sarah had still not returned home or been seen in town. Mrs miles began to worry. Cheap became a bit uneasy and inquired for sarah. The boston globe later reported there were no tidings but before a search was organized rumours were mouthed of body having been taken from a place near the miles house to lonely pasture where it was left close to offense. Two weeks from the date of mrs wears. Disappearance batty was found less than a mile from home. A search party located sara wears badly decomposed body by following the foul smell. Just of miles lane. A raincoat was tucked like a pillow. Under her nearly severed head. Her face was destroyed bashed in or perhaps eaten away by animals nearby lay her purse and a ragged with the serrated edge. They went to pick her up and her head fell off. Said buck sport. Librarian emerick spooner author of two books. On the case she was just a house cleaner heading home. An autopsy and nationwide by several doctors concluded that sarah wear had been killed by a blow to the head there was an indentation in the skull over the forehead and the left side of the face was caved in reported the boston globe. The head had been separated from the trunk but decomposition made it impossible for the coroner and the physicians who made an examination to determine whether or not a knife had been used in the late eighteen. Hundreds detectives were rare in maine and they would need to be paid but local authorities were ill equipped to handle a murder case so they called in a season detective from lewiston to head up the investigation. Another detective soon joined him from banker talk of murder speculations on the company. The where woman used to keep was heard day and evening in the little old fashioned hotel boat. The boston globe there was an immense amount of tittle-tattle and what this one told somebody that so and so told him to be passed around. Ugly rumors were all the time being wafted and from the moment the investigation took shape. There was opposition led by a person who has since confessed that he opposed arrest to save the good name of the town. Mrs miles told the detectives that sarah kept her earnings in a trunk in her bedroom. But when it was searched the money was gone speculation followed at. Perhaps it was stolen. Or perhaps sarah was killed by someone who owed her money. Others in town insisted that sarah wasn't murdered at all but she had committed suicide were met with some accident and that the animals did the rest when the miles house was searched again. The money mysteriously reappeared in her bedroom trump a break in the case came in november when the bloody tarp was found in the wagon of one of sarah's former employers william t. true richie with it was a hammer with the initials w t t engraved on the handle. The hammer appeared to be a match for the whole in sarah skull and on november twenty seventh truer g was taken into custody. William truer g was a widower with two daughters to camp. He sold tinware junk and secondhand things of all kinds trilogy had previously employed. Sarah where as a live in housekeeper and nanny. He was known to have a quick temper and word around town was that he had food sarah for some time he had a temper. Problem said author emrick spooner. Who believes that truer. Jeez house was most likely. Sarah's last stop on her way home the night of her disappearance he was a real rough kind of character but just as their investigation began to close in on a suspect. The funds paying the two detectives dried up. The case was abandoned. It wasn't until months later when the community raised another five hundred dollars equivalent to around sixteen thousand dollars today that the detectives were able to resume their investigation in march of eighteen. Ninety nine a witness came forward. Joseph fog junior bog did odd jobs around buck sport and went out to sea when he couldn't find work on shore. He told detectives that he had picked up and on job in town the previous september. He had helped william t. treorchy move a body and they had dumped it in the location where sarah was later found on march eleventh eighteen. Ninety-nine true g was arrested. He was given a hearing and held for the grand jury. Five days later fog went before the chairman of the board of selectmen and recanted his statement fog was arrested for perjury. Andrew ritchie was released fog was kept in jail until the grand jury met in april when as no indictment was found he was released wrote the boston globe there. The case ended for the time being. And those who would preserve the fair name of buck. Sport gave each other a hand of congratulations but the where case was not forgotten. It drifted into politics and the county attorney bedford tracy of winter harbor and the present county commissioners all of whom were elected by men who believed that an effort had been made to suppress facts in the where case took it in hand. Tracy made it his mission to bring the case. Before the grand. Jury attorney general george. M sellers was appealed to and in october of nineteen. A one mr timothy. E heart of mr cylinders office was quote assigned to winnow. What was apparently sound and stable as evidence from the immense amount of they say this and they say that when he was picked up the second time. William trubisky didn't seem worried. True were g. Took his second arrest with the same. Apparent coolness says marked his appearance when he was first called upon to face. Charge of murder reported the boston globe fog. The witness who had recanted told j. n. taylor of the boston globe that his original statement was the truth and that he had been intimidated into recanting. At the time of sara wears murder. He told him he was employed on a boat and didn't return to buck sport until four or five days after sarah's disappearance i am not a man of much learning he told taylor but i do know how to tell a straight story of what i see in do you must understand taylor replied that when a man tells a story under oath and then swears that what he said was ally is likely to be doubted ever after i understand all that fog said but my first statement was the truth just the same and i was frightened into taking it back by men in town. Who made me believe that. I'd go the same way as sarah. Where if i didn't scared half to death. Are you not afraid. Now that those who threatened you will interfere again. Taylor asked no sir. I am not he replied. I was scared by true. Reggie himself into helping him move that body. And then when i told of what had taken place i was frightened into branding myself a liar what i said and what i now say regarding trubisky and the body we moved is true. I met him sometime. Between september twenty third eighteen ninety eight and the sunday following. He asked me if. I didn't want to go along with them to help do a job he had in mind and as it was my business to pick up what i could in doing. Odd jobs. I said yes. He had a horse and alight. Jaeger and we drove out the miles house as we turned up the lane to the house. He said i'm going to move a body and if ever you say anything about it you'll go the same way. When he pulled up to stop he said you stand by the horse then. He took a piece of canvas from the jigger and went over the wall pretty soon. He appeared dragging something in the campus and when he reached the i helped him politically board then we drove further along up the lane and stopped beside an old fence. I helped him take the body off the jigger and he pulled the canvas from under it. The place where we left it was the exact spot where the body of sarah wear was found. We drove back to the village again. And on the way truer g again told me that. If i ever said a word about it i'd go the same way when we reached the village left jigger and started on the run for home. I was never so frightened in my life. It seemed as if a ghost was after me. I could not get into the house quick enough. I told my wife and my mother of having helped move a body. I also told the same story to joe. Oughta and the sunday the body was found. I told coroner davis. I would bet that that was the body. I helped true or g to move by the time the trial would finally take place. It had been four years since the murder and atrocious crime committed in the dark of an autumn night. Nearly four years ago is associated with the recent. Indictment of william t. tricky. Who will be put on trial next. Tuesday in ellsworth charged with the killing of mrs sarah. Wear september seventeenth. Eighteen ninety eight reported the boston globe for nearly the entire time since the delivery of the two or three crushing blows which made a corpse of the where woman buck. Sport has been prey to divided sympathy and diverse opinions. Once since the killing the case has been abandoned and those who at the time of true. Raji's i arrest seemed inclined to tolerate crime rather than put the county to the expense of investigation and prosecution took no small amount of credit for having succeeded in half planting their pretended theory that sarah where was the victim of accident one of the most persistent of the opponents to the murder theory has since acknowledged his insincerity. He believed all the time that murder had been committed but thought he was shielding the good name of bucks port by insisting otherwise avoiding expense and saving face or to prime essentials in county and town economics throughout maine. Maine has a long and interesting score of murder mysteries which were allowed to become enigmas to save expense. That is thought was the intention of those who so strenuously objected to the murder. Theory when sarah wears mutilated remains were found in the end. No witnesses came forward at trial. The bloody tarp and hammer went missing. And in the four years that had elapsed several people who had been involved in the case died or quit so with no evidence and no witnesses in july of nineteen o. Two william t. True were g was acquitted. Only one key piece of evidence was saved the kept her head is evidence for future. Trial said spooner. They kept lockup down at ellsworth. Courthouse according to spooner where's daughter. Mildred moved her mother's body after the trial and they didn't give her gravestone. He said after several exhumations during the investigation. They didn't want her to be disturbed anymore. But for one hundred years her skull remained in the courthouse. Locked away in a box. After years of petitioning in nineteen ninety eight her skull was finally laid to rest in her family's plot at oak hill cemetery board but possibly without the rest of her body in the early nineteen hundreds. The bodies in the cemetery where sarah's body was laid to rest were removed and relocated to make way for a new man made lake known today as silverlake because there's grave reportedly had no marker it is not known if her body was moved or if it lies beneath the lake today a few of sara wears belongings are on display in the books board historical museum. Her case has never been solved. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime. 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Wed. 05/19 - Is Carbon Neutral Gasoline Coming?

Kottke Ride Home

16:28 min | 2 months ago

Wed. 05/19 - Is Carbon Neutral Gasoline Coming?

"Welcome to the key. Ride home for wednesday may nineteenth twenty twenty one. I'm jackson bird a promising method for producing carbon neutral gasoline from basically thin air. This strange story of the very first ransomware attack and the surprisingly long history of bizarre ice cream flavors here of the cool things from the news today. Scientists in germany have figured out how to make carbon neutral gasoline out of thin air dubbed e fuel. The substance is currently being produced via prototype machine at the karlsruhe institute of technology in southern germany. The project p two x is backed by eighteen research institutions twenty seven industrial firms including volkswagen. Shell and is part of the larger copernicus project which is helping germany reach its goal of a carbon neutral economy by twenty fifty. If scaled up a fuel could be the key to reducing emissions from aircraft machinery and possibly even gas for cars but like the mini sustainable alternatives being explored right now scale and cost will be the big hurdles but i the science rolling meyer. Who leads the project compares it to photosynthesis code in the new york magazine's intelligencer the process begins with a module built by climb works of switzerland that extracts carbon dioxide from the ambient air the device blows air over a filter that absorbs co two and then releases the gas in concentrated form when heated in adjacent unit built by a dresden-based firm produces hydrogen by splitting water molecules through high temperature. Electrolysis in the third mudge won't built by a swiss tech company. A reaction called fischer-tropsch synthesis fuses the carbon and hydrogen to produce hydrocarbons the same carbon chains. That make up gasoline kerosene coal and natural gas. The science behind each step has been understood for decades. What's new is the fusion of the processes into compact efficient system fisher. Trump's has been known for one hundred years. Says michael clump a post doc karlsruhe. It's putting the steps together. That's hard the heat produced by the synthesis. Reaction for example is re purposed to optimize the temperature for electrolysis. The hydrocarbon fuels in use today are extracted from the earth. When they're burned they released carbon dioxide that drives climate change. What's coming out of the tap in karlsruhe is different so long as the energy used to make it comes from renewable sources. This synthetic hydrocarbon mix. Or if you will is carbon neutral when burned and if the hydrocarbons are turned into materials like plastic the end product is carbon negative and quotes right now p two x uses ten kilowatts of electrical power to produce seven leaders of fuel a day but the plan is to keep making it more and more efficient with plans underway for lab that next year would use two hundred kilowatts to produce two hundred liters of fuel a day and by twenty twenty-five they hope to use a single megawatt to make sixteen hundred liters of fuel a day and did meyer is even more ambitious. He wants to see a one hundred megawatt plant that could produce thirty five to forty thousand tons of fuel a year enough new york magazine points out to fuel three seven forty seven flights a day between jfk lax but doing so won't be cheap nikita pavlenko from the international council on clean transportation estimates that because e fuels energy is from freshly generated electricity. It would actually be four to eight times more expensive than fossil fuel but the hope is that the cost would go down as the technology improves. Clump projects seven dollars a gallon about the current cost of gas in germany near magazine. Points out that maybe it doesn't need to become cheap enough for everyday car owners. Maybe it's real. Potential is in commercial aviation for a sector that's responsible for two three percent of greenhouse gas emissions worldwide and accordingly pledged to cut those emissions in half by twenty fifty aviation has struggled to find a viable alternative. Biofuels may never be able to keep up with the demand and experiments. Powering planes with batteries. Have thus far not been up to snuff. In large part due to the outside payload of batteries strong enough to power and aircraft so maybe e fuel is the answer quoting again jet fuel made from air and clean. Electricity would suffer neither of these problems. Production would be scalable without limit and problems with energy density would vanish. What's more aircraft. Manufacturers would avoid spending decades pursuing regulatory approval for new propulsion systems running on. If you will the engine technology today could continue to power. The airliners of tomorrow and quotes some remains skeptical however mostly again due to cost if you will would require heavy. Subsidies at least to get started so officials may prefer to pick a cheaper alternative and if a viable one exists. That's great but at some point we really are going to have to make some drastic changes and investments to have any hope of meeting our climate goals with everything. Going on with the colonial pipeline. Ransomware attack here in the us cnn decided to go back in time and take a look at the first ever ransomware attack. According to cnn the first instance of ransomware happened in nineteen eighty nine via floppy discs issued to twenty thousand attendees of the health. Organization's aids conference in stockholm of that year aka a lot of the world's leading experts on a pandemic that was already out of control and being largely ignored. The result of the ransomware on the floppy disks was that many of those people lost years of their work. When you insert the disk it would hide all the directories and encrypt the file names essentially rendering the system useless and then display a message asking you to renew the license and act. Which would require you to send one hundred eighty nine dollars in an envelope to appeal box in panama. Cnn notes that they're not sure. How many if any people sent the money in. But they did track down one guy who helped fix the crisis eddy willems than a systems analyst insurance company that had received the disc was savvy enough to get around it and ended up being called upon by countless medical institutions and organizations to help save their computer from what came to be known as the aids trojan horse williams himself who still has the original. Floppy disk went on to become a computer security expert and now works for g data. The creators of the world's first antivirus software in nineteen eighty eight. The incident made headlines around the world in part because it was something that indeed affected major institutions all around the world but also because it was the first time that most people had ever heard of or even imagined. What cnn calls digital extortion. That said those who already trafficked in computer viruses and security weren't impressed reporting on the case in nineteen ninety issue of virus bulletin. The publication called the ransomware sloppy contributor editorial advisor to virus bulletin programmer. Jim bates led the creation of a removal program. Called aids out which helped recover many of the encrypted files thought to be lost and despite the whole situation be novel too many people at the time virus bulletin notes that savvy individuals and companies quote were quick to offer aids clearing and aids protection services at a price to affected users. Many of these offers were based on the flimsiest knowledge and sometimes without any analysis whatsoever and quotes so good to know that that kind of profiteering has always been alive and well but as for the person who created the ransomware in the first place it took a while for them to find him but it turned out to be evolutionary biologist named joseph pop who obtained the. Who's mailing list sent the disks out to everyone on it. His exact motives remain obscure. Wilms points out. That would have taken an incredible amount of time not to mention money to afford all those. Floppy disks pop was doing research on aids at the time and even worked as a consultant for the. Who in kenya. Something that he had been turned down for job with them. He claimed at one point that the ransom he was trying to collect would have been donated to aids research. Whatever the reason when he was caught by new scotland yard and arrested in amsterdam. He began behaving oddly and when he was tried in the united states ended up being declared mentally unfit. He passed away in two thousand seven without the larger world effort. Really getting to the bottom of his motivation and while the whole situation did help few individuals. Like eddie willem. Cut their teeth in the cyber security world and go on to make great contributions to it. It was also only the beginning of much more complex and in cities attacks today. Cnn notes that cryptocurrency is complicating the situation even further and the us justice department declared twenty twenty as the worst year to date for ransomware attacks and with what we saw colonial pipeline. Twenty one might be on track to beat the record then while the colonial pipeline and the. Who aids conference were two huge attacks. A lot of ransomware is at individuals for smaller amounts of money. So with that in mind and putting a link in the show notes with a few tips on how to be proactive. The -til dr is. Don't click on weird things and make sure your regularly backing up your files. So that if you ever do encounter ransomware you won't feel any kind of desperation to get your files back. Not one hundred. Eighty nine dollar written checks mailed to panama unnecessary. When i can tell i've been running on autopilot for awhile. One of my favorite ways to break out of the rut is by learning something new picking up a new skill or hearing from others about how they approach a passion we share and one of the best ways to do that is with today's sponsor skill share in online learning community that offers membership with meaning with so much to explore real projects create and the support of fellow. Creatives skill share empowers you to accomplish real growth. They offer classes ranging from animation and music to creative writing web development entrepreneurship and more lately. I've been enjoying thomas frank's class productivity for creatives. It's focused on building out systems to be more productive in your creative work. But honestly i think a lot of his tips apply to anyone doing freelance or more flexible remote work these days and then is just the tip of the iceberg. There's so much on offer from skill. Share all kinds of practical tips and inspiration to help you turn small steps into giant leaps explore your creativity at skill shared dot com slash key and get a free trial of premium membership again for listeners. Of the cocky ride home. That's eight three trial of premium membership at skill. Share dot com slash. Cot key all the trendiest ice cream shops. These days seem to be just as identifiable by their instagram -able interiors as they are by their exceptionally inventive flavors chalkboard menus and social media stories hype up their flavors of the day which seemed to have been concocted by mad scientists in the back room pouring test tubes into a vat of ice cream. You could say cold stone. Creameries wide array of toppings cheerfully chopped into a scoop of vanilla on a frozen slab opened the door for the bizarre flavors integrated into the ice cream itself that we see today. But according to history writer jerry quinzinho flavors like saffron rose pedal weren't invented by hip brooklyn knights of the past decade but rather staples of is cream dishes from the very beginning writing in an early volume of the journal. Gastronomic quincy shares that ice cream. I really hit the scene in the late. Seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries and at the time recipe. Books were primarily concerned with instructing on how to keep the ice cream frozen flavors were secondary and often written off as do whatever you want and whatever you want in practice usually meant riffing on existing desserts like creams and custard words using all the same flavor profiles and many of the same ingredients things like chestnut saffron currents t and lots of flowers quoting j store daily jasmine violets elder flower. Roses were all common. Orange in all kinds of forms also featured prominently cooks used orange flower water and candied orange flowers as well as juice pulp and peel of the fruit. Some recipes called specifically for peel. From bergamo. Or pope from seville others used orange flower water as the base for an ice cream that included statue walnut or new gatt. It was vanilla of its day. Quincy rates and quotes. You might also mix in rye bread macaroni or other cookies as you would with a custard and at least in seventeen sixty eight cookbook from an emmy. The first one focused solely on ice cream recipes could be savory to incorporating parmesan greer coriander and even truffles like the fungi kind others suggested. Artichoke cayenne floyd gras and a wail secretion called angry. According to quincy one italian cook said there was no vegetable. That couldn't be turned into an ice worthy of that name. Which many apparently took has a challenge. Various vegetable ice creams like cucumber. Might be served with the meat or fish courses and while one nineteenth century culinary entrepreneur. Sounds like she should be retroactively. Arrested for crimes against ice cream with her recipes for ice cream made of apples onions. Coconut curry powder with aspic and garnished with prawns. Not to mention her ice cream. Duck mold that calls for a glass eye to give it a realistic appearance. Others of these entree side dish ice creams. Actually don't sound too bad quoting quincy. Oh mrs sarah rohrer served mint sherbet with lamb or mutton and apple. Ice with roasted duck goose or pork. She made a spicy bloody. Mary like to sorbet and recommended serving it in punch glasses at dinner. As an accompaniment to roasted be vinson end quote and quincy notes that some of those sorbets even included shock and awe jam and sugar and to be fair. There were certainly ice creams being made that sound a bit more normal to our modern ears wants flavored with coffee pineapple and again lots of orange but the nila was not too common quincy notes. That vanilla was not an overly common export to europe until the mid nineteenth century when a method of artificial pollination was devised according again by the nineteenth century quincy rights wealthy. british families. Were doing different. Weird things with ice creams and ices. At dinner parties they served them as palate cleansers between courses. These were often molded to look like fish. Pineapples or especially often. Asparagus cooks might use vanilla ice cream for the stocks. With pistachio or greenidge plum. Ice cream for the tips but some really went for realism parboiling. Impounding asparagus tips. To make ice cream and quote rich people were really into molded ice cream. In the nineteenth century it turns out perhaps paving the way for the extravagant jello mold of the twentieth. But what do you think. Will you start serving vegetable ice cream with your meat dish. If the hipster ice cream place downtown starts offering an artichoke flavor. Will you try. It's i mean. I'm not gonna lie with the weather heating up already. I don't think i'd be entirely opposed to all of my meals being translated into ice cream form if only to keep cool and then is it for today. That's all i've got today as always this show was produced by ride home media and khadki dot org i jackson buried and i will talk to you again tomorrow.

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UF 355: Top Ten Moments of 2019

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

21:21 min | 1 year ago

UF 355: Top Ten Moments of 2019

"When we start this we can riff for a little while on this countdown? We're about to do countdowns stupid. You know what else is stupid doing an Intro for a countdown. While my pal is in Florida but I guess we had to. The timing was When they need it now so we're going to do it Matt's not here but opportunities here? Jeremy does so many good moments my little bird for matinees bad leg and Florida. But let's be honest. We've had some really great times. Because this year you'll see unfiltered so much fun. That Matt and I got together. We put together a few of our favorite moments for you to enjoy however we didn't think to record This while we were getting together on our off time and putting together a few of our favorite moments for you to enjoy anyway we want to do this. No why do we do it. Because Dan is the boss. Dana says I want you to do it. You do it because Dana will fire you. So we're doing it because we don't want to get fired and we're scared of Dana. We did have some fun moments all missile. So we're GONNA countdown the top ten moments to me. I wish I could do more than one word of Matt Sarah. Because he's one of my favorite people I I can't do. I mean just read. I get a spray paint. I gotta put tomato sauce on my head's license read all right Anyway here our top ten moments this year from UFC unfiltered. We don't care if you agree or not number ten go to help. People don't like it because they think it's absolutely because Jimmy. When I could strangle street three guys have closed better fight with a Gi so you can learn how to choke she would assure now? Is this something that somebody knows slowly. Right Hey bye-bye uh-huh is it possible to choke somebody with your behind you. I would if I was behind you and and I got my hand just in here all judy see. I already thought. I don't have to do hard but if I just bring my week back this way a little bit. Does she slave effective. It's so much fun. That's very effective. I didn't rule the shirt did not but from on the front of the difference in the front is when you're confronting somebody so could could you grab somebody that doesn't seem likely it's just as easy Jimmy here all I if I get this here fits in the group that does not look normally get a street. I'm looking at you like you back. Then and now I'm Chuck Deidra the surest wouldn't here's number nine a all right though but then that I do opry history when you walk by the original rocky and him dumb friends Only what he's trying to do don't do couldn't get right. What are you doing you said Oh I was watching embedded before? Oh I'd be watching that whole take. He was singing eye of the tiger. Say for the record. I don't care for steeplechasing racing invoice. How dare you love? CPI Not a good singer. I'm GonNa ask you something. Sure if you had the listen to somebody saying for like an hour straight as myself as the Bay Day who would you be better off listening to think about Jimmy. I want you. I'll tell you I want you to think about it. I'll take steeper Eh. Because he sang quickly. What if a lot of rolling down my face radio? How would you feel bad or know? What does it sound like when I started singing Yes ten room and a gunshot goes off. No I love Jimmy. I don't think he'd ever hang up on me ever never but we're going to test this. Hold hold on everybody. Paul elders fighting somebody next week. Do you know who's fighting. Was He. Fighting Bob Bos Bob Bos ask Siri. That's well listen. I know my Jimmy Bird. I think he was going up too much. I'll learn the names in Now I would like to you Jimmy. Don't answer yet the keyboard if you enjoy not. That's one particular Mueller in general. Might say I think anymore. Well Mercia lift his legs because he's not saying if you don't let's talk I'd rather be shocked out all right. Here's eight preparing for Ben Aspirin. Whose Augier Amy? I'm having a hard time. Because he's arguably usually he's arguably arguably yes the big that's why he's arguably. Now you're making me over. Think the word when you get too close wants to phobic between me you Robbie in our listeners I could never say that word. Cluster default. Give it a shot phobic. Could you say it again. Slow kloss clause trou- trump farben though Sir Edmund show-bizzy Bazi Saima's whole thing off. We had Stevo on last week. I was that I was talking about him in Justin Bieber. Oh either ice beaver might say it right bieber paper anyway. I'll tell you obviously obviously you got heart and balls Gregor because what am I ask this. Can I speak Liz up what does it do you guys realize this is why I don't work on the beyond the desk at Fox or the chest Kaleo low hottest. What he's saying say goodbye? I think I think both Italian off dry that figure it out. How about number seven just doing his colleague flowery ear thing with Chuck Ladele mandate your ears or so who board? Do you think you could give me collie flower ear. And he says Febrile tells me that I'd say that's fucked up for you Stevo. Yeah I do that and and so I was like well. Doesn't it take years over whole career. And he says No. I think if I pop you with the right shot we get in one go. We balanced Golf Ball on my ear here and He's whacked it off with a golf club. Aren't you afraid of like popping your drum and you're hearing. I probably should times if you've got logical questions she's like that it's a new year but some things never change even in the new year. which is the perfect time to take your business to the next level? That's you new year's resolution to stop your floundering during business. Take you to a respectable to do that. You've got to find the right. People hiring the right person for job can be awful. Finding quality. Candidates takes too long. And you don't have time to sit there and sift through all the duds who apply and there's GonNa be a lot of them. ZIPRECRUITER sends your job to over one hundred leading online job boards. But they don't stop there powerful matching technology ziprecruiter scans thousands thousands of resumes searching for the right people for your job then ziprecruiter actually invites them to apply for your job. Let them come to you. Once the applications come in ziprecruiter analyzes analyzes each and every one shows you the top candidates. So you really won't miss a great match. ziprecruiter is so effective that four and five employers. Who Post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day and right now? Our listeners can try ziprecruiter for free at our exclusive web address zip recruiter dot com slash unfiltered zip recruiter dot com slash U. U. N. F. I l. t. r.. UNFILTERED ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash unfiltered ziprecruiter. The smartest way to hire this episode is sponsored by Blue Lucho. Jimmy I love blue. You know it and you know we both love it. It's that little blue chewable. They gives you the help you need unbidden Blue Chew brings you the first chewable with the same. FDA approved active ingredients. Viagra cialis accepts. Since you chew it works up to twice as fast as a pill so you can be ready to ride whenever the moment arises. Lucia's prescribed online by licensed physicians. So it's just not some idiots a licensed physician you don't have to go to the doctor's office or wait in line at the pharmacy. How humiliating aiding ships right to your door? Discreet package. Look you listen to this show. You already know how much matt loves it how much I love it. It's an easy product who endorse because we both use it. We're both limbers. Otherwise is right mass market. Confirm that or deny it gets me ready in no time. Not just for the guy who can't get it up to anybody who wants a little boost in performance. You're GONNA last longer. It's not for the guy that I can't get it up. It's the guy that wants to get it on. Oh I liked that a lot executive is that going to be the new lines and I hope not sorry I love blue and because we love you all so much. We got a special deal for our listeners. Just go to blue DOT COM and get your first shipment free when you use our Promo Code. UFC just pay for shipping. That's blue blue like the color B. L. U. Louis e Chew Dot Com Promo Code. UFC to try it for free. We endorse this product. Proudly it works. I can't believe that was seven. I I guess this will be six starbucks today. Everybody I'm going to clean that up. Starting right now no more cursing for the rest of the episode. Might say f curse knows what happened. Don't come in here and BE A. It's not a math test Jamie English then. I definitely we've can fail it. Oh me guys to make me sound like an answer. Six minutes into the show. I said I wasn't GonNa Curse and I might occur couple more times just once or twice. Let's go for five. Is the the last time he's in studio and I'm going out in a blazing glory what's happening right miss. You ever have like knowing friend is trying to talk about this. This hold on that. You're asking me if I've ever had an immature and I set myself up without what you that's almost. It's a shame with With Luke Rocco people didn't like they weren't sure why he was looking to take down and those Blow Lajo the witnesses did tough in the region. You live in one of my jokes all right. Listen we look at look at. How red is headed? I love it Joe. Blow try not to eat the cheese so I just keep moving so stay away from guys give it a hottest honest EDSA. Geez look at twelve year old stay. I'd take it away from the cheese. We'll try to not trust me. Four you you know get hit in the nose quite a bit crazy thing is sometimes. It gets moved over so much. Boxing's out I have to take a tooth brush my finger up there and and try to move it over because because it's jammed up so high it makes me sneeze like uncontrollably. That might be the most amazing thing I've heard in all the fighters of interviews. You might put a tooth brushing your nose and move your Septum in my second fight in Tijuana me and one of my training partners. They're like hey. Let's go to the park enroll. I ended up hitting the sprinkler and splitting my knee. All the way to the bank and I'm thinking what would rambo they get a butter knife. And I tell my brother on a stick. This on the stove aligning Takata rises. so He's like okay. Heat up the knife. He sticks to butter knife flap on on my cut and it basically opens the cut more. You don't burn the hell out of mills like idiots. Took it from him. I had to do it again and actually go. INDIKA kept it wrapped up and I was able to train. I stand corrected the toothbrushes mouthwash forty. I'm forty five zero. I in a town about why. Wait a minute I liked that. That means you're surprise that of that all I listen to me. I've always liked been aspirin. Don't bring up the I don't you dare that F. B. Meyer fight again now. I wasn't I was just going to do have one band. It Algebra can start picking fights on you. Don't you bring up that showed he codified. Listen to me I enjoyed bonds on I did you listen. Yeah I'M NOT GONNA go. You're pregnant he gets done before I let you go. I'll let you ask me go ahead ask me how to be a UFC champion. All right. Then they ask me how felt to have hair. which made you WANNA fight lighter? Nothing necessarily maybe wants to fight. I just wanted to fight when I started fide. Now's fat guy. US Soviet heavyweight Poli out there Fight at that level. I started training at that level. So it's just a complete change of lifestyle on top of that moved down to the IMA may lab with two year and a half years ago really kicked the fat burning into overdrive. When I fought dominick rates I was already to a five before going down for finally dominant Dominic Grays Size is not a matter. And that's exactly what she says to me. They always say it matters. Ah Fortunately going on Apollo cost that you want to take away that rumor that the big muscles automatically the better fighter type of these casualty think big muscle len win because he got power And that's why I called out there but now certainly his biceps poplar some now. The next Muslim guy in the division is on your metal. I would say deserves it. I'm a charitable guy saw. I'll give him this one for free fuel. L. Is not available for any reason as candidate possibility number. Send Burmese the dark horse of the division. He's going to be the hardest fighting. Why do you see him as the toughest I have my reasons I can disclose that yet guy that rebranding on himself in a style drop into how many way classes? He's going to be hard fight but I want to make it look easy when the time comes use a term. That's usually used in boxing lot. which is that you were going to fight Mexican in style can you explain to some Ma fans who might not know that term what it means? Wash my highlight Jay Stevens on Youtube. Watch it this kid. The runner you you know. He doesn't fight Mexican style as compared. I'm only twenty five percent and I fight. Four hundred thousand Percent Aztec Warrior Mexican style. That means I'm coming to take your head off on a beat up your leg. I'm a beat up your body on the stuff your take downs on the voyager kicks and I'm GonNa throw he until I knock you the fuck out and if I don't knock you out you're going to be beaten so bad that you're gonNA I don't WanNa quit on the stool every round that you come out. That's the maximum style. That's the Mexican spirit. That's fight that I bring to the table and if you don't believe me just watch my highlights give it think about the fight get into movies or entertainment. Oh yeah all the time. I got a couple of offers. I did a TV show last year with black light in the end I gotta move. Your old won't Terry crews coming up. Oh I'm like a light bulb. went off like what am I not. I should be in movies mistreat. This is the first time you fight an Ms Geno Ford on DC. I'm horrible do of course you did look no come on man you like me. You didn't agree with four digit. Here's number three holy Jimmy. Then I'm so excited about this. He really is. We imagine so excited. He doesn't even need the product guys. Let's talk about sex good sex. You remember the days when you were always ready to go. If you're Jim Norton the answer is no. I never had days like that. Come Hani Hani here I come. He's running at Mrs Sarah. Aw Dude you better not giving these things I gotta be better. I better get a safe room in my house house so I don't score my children. Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy. I cannot wait for them to go to school to attack my wife because I swear to God that he was GonNa call the police. Give me this sponsor blue shoe under your enthused Jimmy about blue and you should have taken them they really the work of course have taken them. I didn't get one. This is a different show they understand. I'm the lack of erections kid so ever I go to follow does our but it's only a torso. It's creepy to us. I need a whole person you really have to do. is to your halfway if we through what what happened to my life. This is where I don't have a partner. It's not first of all married so I can't tell my kids that's I practice because my Jitsu on that. Well my buddy. He looks at me a sex doll not like the legit ones like a blow up one looked kind of I'm not GonNa have thought about it for a couple of seconds status status but my dumb ass walking outside in a box in the legs hanging in and of course my neighbor saw me and I'm like it's not what you talk sexy mistake. Me For one is. How long have you been married a long time? We've been married two years but we've been together fee Levy. It's all right man. I'm married twelve years together along any advice from me. We'll get back to the fighting in a second. Should I go to my in laws after night out of watching the guys. There's some grappling competition. I had a couple of years and I went home. I mean by Satan Derek you hippopotami. They're giving everything changed. So so you're telling me I have to really have some relations what my wife and just let them remember number. Don't kick the Golden Goose. Is that what you're telling me. Yeah for sure Ma'am Kansas It's a rare occasion. Not Too many guys can do that. So whenever whatever you get the opportunity to do that you got to you looking. Hey you're looking at somebody. If you were here I'll give you a pound like this. Yeah Derrick and let me tell you my wife's thank you after this also tonight boy to white trash New Jersey as you say at Melbourne. That's what I used to say. A whole leaf Jimmy. What what you ate too? Many rentals is a bad jimmy. I'm not I'm not really don't want to be honest. It Harvey kyw tells as opposed to good thank you lived up that right chows. That was because that came out with I stopped at the Deli before a little bit of a general chows chicken on. I don't WanNa know what's coming out yet. I regret it you know oh I apologize. I'll look tonio came in you. Just walk I'll be back in front of his face. Thank you and my apologies. There's nothing better than when somebody walks in and they appreciate the gift it didn't get here. Yeah there's no that's not a gift. Jimmy has its bad. 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Fight, Dig and Die | 11

1865

33:32 min | 2 years ago

Fight, Dig and Die | 11

"From the richmond enquirer we have advices of the execution of the conspirators of john wilkes booth. They are all described as dying penitent. Mrs sarah quickly without struggle secretary seward's attack a louis pain powell died a horrible death. The nod having having slipped from behind his ear to the back of his neck so that suffocation was a slow process. The entire fair seems to have been a cruel performance. The idea was prevalent that the sentence would be commuted at the last moment there is great astonishment that the extreme sentence has been carried out at the hands of this government and the fault for this cruelty lies at the feet of one man the man who signed the order of execution and sentenced her to death andrew johnson. The president of the united states stanton leads that sheet to slaughter and i'm the one with the god damn noose around my neck. I want him gone. John wells. I want him gone by the end of the day is not advisable. Mr president is people are calling for a head on a spike. If i don't give him edwin stanton they'll the storm the gates of the white house looking for my counseled user the time to fire stanton was before the tribunal ever began not now in its bloody aftermath and not with mary's toronto blood so freshly sean your hands and what you suggest i do. The people of this country have short memories mr president in time they will forget all about merceron and your role in her execution. That's the richmond enquirer dragging me through the mud wells. The people of the south never gonna forget this will if you give them the gift of universal universal amnesty the tribunal failed. Sir stanton failed to prove his conspiracy. The path for amnesty is as clear now as it's ever been you fight me on it every step of the way eh stanton's a beaten dog mr president if you put him down his friends in congress will rally to his side and block the way for your agenda but if you call her him that you tie hi him to the front steps of the white house you can rest easy knowing. You'll never bite you again. What about al all-star. You can still bite me with her. That's that's not entirely true. Sir my friends tell me i've been stanton's already placed the collar around his own neck. All you have to do now is bring up to him. Uh uh <music> eighteen sixty five eighteen sixty five is sponsored hurt by audible listening mix a smarter more connected people. It makes us better citizens better parents and better leaders and there's no better place to start listening then than audible for instance. If you wanna learn more about edwin stanton audible. Has you covered stanton. 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Yes i never imagined ignites. The other day of woman would lose her life at the hands of this government the tragedy or do you want. The president requested a hand live with this proposal myself since we'll be finalizing the details of president johnson's reconstruction plan. He's asked that each cabinet member thoroughly rebuked. I don't need to review it. Mr wells author. You're mistaken. President johnson has made some revisions to you. He gave me the honor of telling you myself an honor honor in which i must admit currently deriving considerable amount of budget good day sir. I look forward to hearing your thoughts at the cabinet meeting this afternoon. The july eleventh eighteen sixty five recipient edwin m stanton secretary of war from the office of the president memo reconstruction proposal also message mister secretary. Please be advised. The following alterations are included in the reconstruction plan contained here in for your review number number one the power to appoint oversee provisional military governors will no longer reside with the secretary of war all provisions of military governors. We'll be selected and overseen by the office of the president number. Two the administering of loyalty oaths and land confiscation will no longer reside with the freedman's bureau hello and will now be overseen by the white house number three any previous ayla rebel lands is now deemed null and void all confiscated lands out to be seized from the friedman and return to their original owners. I look forward to your reply sincere as regards president andrew johnson mr president. I'm begging you. Please reconsider mr langston truly 'em but this is one non. I can't untie. I've ordered the military to seize those lands. I cannot reverse course mister president. Violence is erupting. All across the south from texas to florida have read the reports mr langston. The provisional governors have been ordered to arrest the troublemakers. We'll get this sorted out. Don't you worry people are dying. Sorts not be hysterical. Mr lyons sterile mr the union board down there. I'll good soldiers. Give him time. They'll take care of the negroes. You have my word you you are not moved by the violence being perpetrated against the freemen then consider your own people sir. This measure will render the bureau insolvent. Are you truly willing you to strip from the poor whites the benefits of the freemen's bureau. You know nobody ever handed me anything mr langston what i have have. I had to take if i was thirsty. I didn't sit around waiting on somebody to pull me. A nip rolled up. My sleeves grabbed life's others others and gave him a squeeze. That is the spirit of this country. You see the thing is i'm not entirely convinced the poor whites in the south how the people are like where i come from one these handouts from the treatments bureau they don't trust the government and frankly i don't blame them. Would you trust somebody who took your lands away from. You is precisely what you're doing to the freemen right now sir now that's where you're wrong. There's lands never belonged to the friedman and my greatest failures president is making you people think otherwise. What about your legacy mr president when you break your promise like jackson. The promise wasn't mine. It was stanton's poor. Whites don't want to be treated in the same class says the negro mr langston. I feel for your people down south. I truly do i feel for anyone who's heard on account of a decision i make but i stand by my decision and now you're gonna have to toe the mark. I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater. On account of a couple of bad apples is below the mason. The violence is what we'll do is order stanton to deploy more troops to shore up the areas in need of additional support <hes> for now. I'm afraid that's the best i can do well. That'd be all serve please. The freemen have no one to protect the langston. Will that be be all. Yes mr president william you friend it. Come to rape me over the coals honest me on account of mary. Surat punishment is between the u._n. God why are you here then. The president wants to see you you in his office right away you his messenger boy now. Did you hear what i said. The president is demanding your audience to fire me. He's decided needed to keep you on it. Why i don't know you must have his his conditions go to him. Edwin won't grovel do not be from. You'll tell the president he can do as he likes but i will never been the me. You told me once that when your father died he was destitute. Yes yes. You told me you left your mother. Nothing not even a pen. I hated him for it. Do you share the same ira for yourself. Do you have anything to leave ellen. Do you have anything to leave your children at. I've grown weary of this conversation of what i hear. Your personal finances are in ruin. My personal finances are none of your concern savings to private law practice no guarantee of a supreme court seat waiting for you down the line. You have nothing only this office and you failed. Had you gambled with a woman's life and you came up short. You can't change you can only control what you going to do next. I know what sort of manual admin. I know what's in your heart. You don't know me at all if you did. You would never ask this me. Make have you ask god for forgiveness. Have you repented for your sous. Every time i close my eyes i see that moments face staring back at me me fear chaba hartley for the rest of my days. There are four million negroes in the south whose futures hang in the ballots missiles awesome. You may have damned your soul mary. Some be certain you don't damn those four million innocent souls over your foolish pride nine and the president is giving them a second chance for the sake of your family and for the of what you fought for your entire life. Don't squadron go to president mars. Mr seward said you wanted to see me. Have a seat familiar to you know sir. Should it's a ledger of expenses for the war department. Mr mr wells secured me a copy. There's one particular line of my thought might interest you it details. A series of payments percents payments made to a young lady of the night named l._s. star turner now. I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation explanation for the war department paying off federal witnesses but i thank you can admit it certainly doesn't look good especially for the person who authorized authorized the payments. Who signature is that down there to bottom mars. It is mind sir <hes> now see. Here's what i'm thinking. I'm thinking the people of the south are good. God fearing people. I'm thinking they'll forgive me my indiscretion discretion. You think they'll forgive you. It doesn't matter what i think mr president you like stories. Don't use stanton. I know you like telling them. It's a rare occasion you find yourself on the receiving end of mine. Will you indulge me. Yes general sam houston. Among many other. Things was an authoritative drunk. He attacked a member of congress fellow by the name of stan vary beat him within an inch of his life with a hickory cane right there in broad daylight. Houston was arrested tried by congress found guilty and reprimanded for his crimes. Needless to say president jackson was none too happy. You see they're already been friction between them. On account of jackson's treatment of the indian tribes houston promised them land promise andrew jackson was not willing to keep sound familiar. Yes in the wake of the trial. A lot of folks are saying mr president that man sam houston i ally ability to you and the democratic party send impacting. The president jackson was wise. He understood stood despite their disagreements. General houston was a good soldier so he forgave. Sam is public display of tom foolery lori and he forgave him the damage done to the democratic party before he forgave him. Houston had to do his part. I aw damn near had to prostrate himself before the president and beg for forgiveness had to get down on his hands and knees and kissed the read. I mean are you prepared to kiss the ring stanton. Yes i haven't been clear with view so let me be clear now. From this point forward you will be a good so of my presidency. You will fall in line and if you ever try to hold ellis daw over my head again. Look at me staten. 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Tend to go on and on and on as you will no no but if you'll indulge me gentlemen have short prepared statement i would like to read whereas a vindictive policy attended by unnecessary penalties confiscations and disenfranchisement enfranchisement could only hinder reconciliation among the people it is now deemed essential. Pardon should be liberally extended with andrew johnson president of the united states do hereby proclaim and declare fool pardon to all persons who directly or indirectly participated in the late rebellion with the restoration of all old privileges immunities and rights of property mr stanton backgammon and then of course of course give my unsightly appearance. I was not expecting company offer you anything no thank you. It's a nice rope. Don't much care for myself but missus stanton gave it to me as a gift on our anniversary last needless to say i wear it as often as possible. I thought she didn't care for. I forgot the anniversary. I'm trying to make amends mrs. stanton home. No she's gone out for the grocery. Uh i'm sorry to drop in on you like this on announced. I tried you at the war department. Could your man there marshal mikhail. He said you haven't been in the office awesome taking a few days more than a few. It seems he says you've been out all week. What can i do for you mr laxton. When are you returning to your office. Johnson struck me live from the reconstruction plan. I'm always good. My office will do me now. They won't do anyone any good. If you won't fight. The freemen are being driven from their on me off at the knees. I have no power then. Take it back. Have you been reading general howard's daily report. Mcphail delivers them every morning then. I don't have to tell you what's happening down there. Trust me forgot six feeling sorry for yourself and do something about the tribunal failed. I failed to convict the south south conspiracy. Amnesty is the law of the land. There's nothing more i can do. There's always more to be done. Pick up the sword and start fight. I am tired of fighting fought. Mr lincoln's unbearable prudence fought this might our enemy and unify this country of cajoled and threatened suborned and battled my way through and unrelenting barrage of andrew. Johnson's insidiousness cost has been tremendous my wife <music>. My wife hardly looks at me. Much less speaks to me and kinda gentle word a barely know my children. My health is failing me. Every breath i draw is a struggle and feels more and more every day like it will be my last. I have sacrificed everything mr likes to. What more do you want from me. I bought what i was promised. You say you've read general howard's reports the one from this morning no a few days back down near the costa texas a young boy a friedman. I was fishing beside a creek on his family's brand new plot of land a plot of land given to them by the freemen's bureau <music> lone rider came upon the boy this man the former landowner was asleep driver. Never before the war he demanded to speak to the boy's parents explained his father had gone to town a short the ban he'd be back shortly flavor instructed the boy to vacate the property. The boy was confused. He told the man he should wait for his father to come home. This waiver drew down on the wall and shot him. Doctors amputated his arm to try and spare his life but there was nothing to be done. He died just before wasn't the boy sixteen the freemen have nothing but the promises you've made. This is just the beginning mr stanton. Many more friedman are going to die. Will you go back on your word and abandoned them. Oh will you pick up your sword. Art and fight can sievert johnson from the shadows. Mr blackston bug by can't be seen to challenge not openly not right now anyway to keep my office. I need to play the part of the royal servant but congress to take the fight right to his doorstep and so can you tell me what the wise man once said <music> sword phase use a pen in july eighteen sixty five to all relevant bureau personnel from the desk of john mercer langston message general howard has issued a directive active titled circular thirteen contained herein freemen's bureau agents are hereby order to prioritize the congressional mandate for land distribution over president johnson's unlawful full amnesty order any pardon issued by the president past present or future will not be understood to extend to the surrender of abandoned or confiscated land which by law law has been set apart for refugees friedman sincerely john mercer langston bureau inspector-general september twelfth eighteen sixty five from the office of the war department urban to all friedman's bureau personnel message president johnson has issued circular fifteen effectively nullifying general howard's previous directive the president has instructed the military to proceed with the repossession and return of southern lands to their former owners edwin m stanton secretary of war november eleventh eighteen sixty five from congressman john bingham to senator charles sumner senator the recent elections in the south to reestablish the local southern governments have produced adduced troubling albeit predictable result the south has by and large elected former confederate leaders to hold public office november twenty eight eighteen sixty five general neural howard since shortly after the elections. These newly minted officials have begun establishing what is now colloquially called the black codes. There is much speculation speculation about whether the freemen's bureau will be able to survive this turn of events at all december first eighteen sixty five to all relevant military personnel president johnson johnson has officially declared reconstruction complete in the union restored more than sixty southern congressmen are on route to washington city to reclaim their seats in the house of representatives december fourth eighteen sixty five mr president we do not recognize the validity of the southern elections or their results among those attempting to join the congress congress are four confederate generals four colonels and six cabinet officers as well as mr alexander h stevens the former vice president of the confederacy after consulting my own conscience and that of my fellow republican congressman we have decided not to seek the distinguished gentleman from below the mason dixon february nineteenth eighteen sixty sixty six general howard advised president johnson today vetoed the renewal of the friedman's bill reason that the former confederate states had no representatives additives in the congress which enacted the law copy of a memorandum detailing remaining powers is attached here in general the civil rights bill of eighteen sixty six has passed the senate mr president the civil rights bill of eighteen sixty six has passed the house and awaits your signature mr bingham the civil rights bills been vetoed by the president as it establishes safeguards with the color grace which go infinitely beyond any that have ever been provided for the white race in fact the distinction of race by the bill is made to operate in favor of the colored colored and against the white race. The senate has passed the civil rights bill of eighteen sixty six over the veto the president the house has passed the civil rights bill of eighteen sixty six over the veto of the president resident and is now the law of the land april second the president has proclaim the rebellion closed and the insurrectionary states back in the union as before a twenty ninth congress chris has passed over the president's veto a new treatments bill expanding the power of the bureau to allow agents to prosecute civil rights offenders military tribunal june eighteen sixty six the fourteenth amendment has passed since the fourteenth amendment has passed the house fourteenth amendment has been sent to the states for ratification woodham stanton secretary of war the weekly pressing times august fourth eighteen sixty six new orleans democrats mob union convention leading unionists the meeting and killed on july thirtieth eighteen sixty six as those friendly to the ratification of the civil rights movement met at the louisiana convention a a group of armed rebels led by general harvey hayes tech a large party of negro protesters were marching peaceably in support of the amendment. The freemen men were surrounded beaten and killed. It is estimated that there have been at least one hundred fifty casualties forty four debt debenham to seward. Daddy wouldn't come in you seen the news yes. Yes god help us. Tragedy wish there was something we could do is a seat spare you the trouble johnson hasn't broken the law scant he's emboldened these people he sat idly by while the southern states passed black codes after black code even parole jefferson davis who now to to my disgust gets to slither out into the sunlight every day. What is johnson doing right now. At this very moment touring the south giving long rambling speeches his embracing for a vote the very racist bigots gunning down innocent friedman in the streets. Mr bingham is right. What's happening down. South is a tragedy but until johnson breaks the law. There's nothing to be done. Yes there is what do you propose. We use the legislature to kill amnesty. How i i need congress to pass a reconstruction bill that overrides johnson's amnesty order and solidifies lincoln's reconstruction policy in stone. You're hanging the on by a thread state once he learns you. Pulling the strings on this johnson will fire you this. I call it the tenure of office act this bill states. The president cannot fire any public servant the senate as approved without senatorial consent careening. You won't be able to fire me not without breaking the law. He'll do it anyway. 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"Hey before we get into the show we WANNA thank you for listening to through line. And we'd like to better understand who is listening. And how you're using podcasts. So if you have a few minutes please help us out by completing ashore anonymous survey at NPR DOT Org Slash. Podcast survey one word. It takes less than ten minutes and really help support the show that's NPR dot org slash podcast survey on March Sixteenth Nineteen seventy-nine a new movie debuted in theaters across the country. The China Syndrome. It's about people. People who lie and people faced with the agony of telling the truth the phrase China Syndrome describes a totally impossible yet terrifying doomsday scenario where reactor at a nuclear power plant meltdown. And with nothing to stop it burns through the earth all the way from the US to China. Okay back to the movie. So the China Syndrome portrays a serious nuclear accident at a reactor inventory. California's Jake Adobe of serious condition safety areas which newly leads to a meltdown. At the planet's Alabama the high-pressure Cooler gives check and then the efforts of investigative journalists to uncover. What actually happened we have? This isn't Mr Gibson. If there's nothing to hide let him speak going up again by the owners of the reactor who are portrayed as villainous and as willing to cover up the accident sort of in order to protect their own bottom line is the right word is the right word. The owners of the nuclear power plant refused to acknowledge any wrongdoing claiming the plant poses no danger but the reporters are there too slowly unravel their lies and at one point in the movie. A physics professor tells a reporter that in fact an explosion at the plant could render an area the size of Pennsylvania permanently uninhabitable. The China Syndrome was hit. It made millions at the box office was nominated for four Oscars and some would later say. It predicted the future. This film in kind of UNCANNY coincidence came out twelve days before the accident at Three Mile Island. Doberman officials said that a breakdown an atomic power plant in Pennsylvania today is probably the worst nuclear reactor accident today. That was such a kind of Bizarre Life Imitating Art Moment. The worst nuclear accident in. Us history sparking health concerns that linger forty years later forty years after the nation held its breath over the near meltdown of this three Mile Island. Nuclear Power Plant. Many of the circumstances surrounding the accident remain cloaked in mystery. And that's what was so frustrated. We had this feeling that we were not getting the. I don't think anybody really knew out there. And it was just panic. It was fear it was all these emotions wrapped up into one. You're listening to through line from NPR. Will we go back in time to understand the present? Hey I'm random Nevada. I'm Ramtane at Louis. And on this episode confusion and chaos at Three Mile Island as we continue to navigate our new reality the reality of Cova Nineteen. Were all trying to figure out what information is reliable and who to believe after all. There isn't just one source of definitive guidance. On anything is six feet enough distance. Do we have to douse all our groceries with disinfectant? How long should self-isolation and social distancing go on? Is there enough testing which medicines are proving useful in the fight against the virus in times of crisis? Reliable information is especially important can serve as an antidote to fear confusion. Anger emotions heightened by uncertainty. It can help. People assess how much danger they are or aren't in and it can help establish trust between the public and the authorities that got us thinking about another time in. Us history when the country was in crisis mode in nineteen seventy nine after an accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant near Harrisburg Pennsylvania. Then like now. The deadly potential of an invisible force dominated the headlines with the plant explode. When was it safe? Go out how much radiation was released. Could you get sick from the water? Some of those questions remain to this day. Nuclear radiation is a threat they can linger for years and years silently wreaking havoc so the fear and the Dow also linger many people harbor strong fears about nuclear energy. Even as others are you that nuclear energy can and should help power our future in the face of Climate Change. But what this story is about is how nuclear technology more from a weapon of war to a thriving private industry and the moment when disaster struck and the public trust is broken so David Markham calling from Seattle Washington and you're listening to through line on. Npr keep up the great work. 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Japanese began the war from the air. At Pearl Harbor. They have been repaid many fo the bomb code named little boy and according to the rationale of the United States High Command. It was a tool used to effectively end World War. Two three days later the. Us military dropped another bomb on another Japanese city. Nagasaki it is an atomic bomb harnessing of the basic power of the universe before from the some draws his power has been loosed against those who rough were to the Far East we have spent more than two billion dollars on the greatest scientific gamble in history and we have one together. Both bombs killed over one hundred thousand people most of them within seconds in some cases the only evidence that remained were their shadows on the concrete World would not be the same people who people cried. People were silent remembered lying from Hindu scripture of the back of a gate now. I am becoming destroyer. Where else I suppose with all that by the way are another that was j Robert Oppenheimer the director of the secret research effort to create the atomic bomb called the Manhattan project. He was describing the reactions of his colleagues after their first test of the atomic bomb. He was tortured by the fact that he had helped us. The peak of human scientific knowledge to create a god-like destructive power in reality most Americans knew nothing of the Manhattan project or anything really about nuclear fission. All they knew was that two massive bombs had brought victory at least at first. There wasn't a huge visual lexicon that the average person had about what atomic destruction looked like Mrs Sarah Robbie. I am a assistant professor in the history of Energy at Idaho State University and I am a nuclear historian. Almost saying call was today. Orca evidence of what happened again to trickle out of Japan or should suicide at that. Could I mean come on over the next few weeks and months? Photographs did come out of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Can we forget that flash suddenly thirty thousand in the streets disappeared but they were mediated by the American government pretty heavily in the crush depths of darkness. The streaks fifty thousand died out You would see destroyed buildings and perhaps some aerial shots of you know. Complete decimation within a certain certain perimeter became Moody ghosted adult when the swirling yellow smoke thinned building split bridges collapsed mining venture off so no Mama Kogi Attack Trans Rested Sinnreich. The ashore this accumulation of rebel numbers Shimon Hiroshima. But for a long time there was a conscious effort to keep images away from the press that led to the direct association with the human cost of those bombings. Y'All got it with skin hanging down like rags. Darrell Moody Hands on chests. Khuda stamping on crumbled brain. Matter burned clothes covering hips cured. Its target sunk itchy. Ultimately the government didn't succeed in cutting that association completely. The average public understood that the nature of war had changed and they developed a very tight correlation between anything nuclear except they were mostly saying atomic at the time but atomic weapons and atomic science or atomic energy. There was always this overtone of like Okay the war is over. But what have we gotten ourselves into you in the long run? So it's hard to pinpoint you know Universal or monolithic public reaction to the dawn of the atomic age. But you know I think the best we can say is that it was profoundly mixed. The discovery of Nuclear Fission in the Early Twentieth Century was revolutionary. Scientists have figured out how to manipulate an atom one of the most elemental things in nature and with that the atomic age was born. There is no denying that since that moment the shadow of the atom bomb has been across all our lives man. This is from a promotional film about the benefits of nuclear energy produced by General Electric. It reflected the attempt to reframe atomic science in the minds of the American public. Ge along with a host of other experts were preparing people for a future where nuclear reactors could power the country because here in fact is the answer to a dream as old as man himself a giant of limitless power command. And where was it? Science found that giant in the atom meanwhile good sues the bombings of harassment. Nagasaki gave an overwhelmingly negative slant to this whole kind of scientific category. But you see efforts on the part of federal officials educators other public intellectuals in the late forties and fifties saying. Hey you know this is a force that could be the end of us. But if we're responsible we can turn this into something that will benefit society or benefit. The world and atomic energy power plant has already proved feasible. The future supplying electric power to entire cities is far from impossible. Electricity produced by nuclear energy would be quote unquote too cheap to meter right which became a catchphrase in the nineteen fifties as a way to promote the almost utopian vision of the benefits of nuclear energy. But it wasn't just companies and experts pushing this new narrative it was also the president of the United States former general and war hero. Dwight D Eisenhower members of the journalism when Secretary General Hammered Gold. Invitation so very early in. Eisenhower's presidency. He went before the United Nations in New York and gave what became known as the atoms for peace speech where he outlined a vision of the nuclear future for the world greater destructive forces can be developed into a great boom or the benefit of all mankind. Eisenhower is framing nuclear science and the peaceful uses of nuclear science as something that can heal the world. United States knows that peaceful power from atomic energy is. No dream of that capability already proved his here now. Today it's very much about public sentiment. And it's about signaling. To both Cold War allies and Cold War enemies that the United States is not just invested in nuclear weapons proliferation United Fate pledges before you and therefore before the its determination to help solve the fearful atomic dilemma to devote entire heart and mind to find the way by which the miraculous inventiveness of man shall not be dedicated to his desk but consecrated his life. But this is still with a backdrop of massive arms buildup throughout the course of the nineteen fifties on both sides of the Iron Curtain and while Eisenhower was out giving speeches about the peaceful potential of nuclear power. The US was building bigger and scarier nuclear weapons so what he sang at the UN. And what's going on you know in the American military and the American Atomic Energy Commission Not always totally in line. They're even so. His speech seemed to work from a public relations. Perspective on the whole Eisenhower's speech was received pretty well or at least as far as I can tell you know when you look at Newspaper accounts and editorials and there are public opinion. Polls from this era people were willing and kind of I would say sometimes almost eager to consider the peaceful and you know maybe Utopian vision of the atomic age and within a year of the atoms for peace speech. Congress passed a bill that gave private industry more access to nuclear technology. And what that did is it. Paved the way for private companies and utilities to have access to the expertise And even just the fuel needed to put a nuclear reactor on the grid more or less and the federal government didn't just open up the pathway to linking nuclear power to the electric grid. They actually kind of got into the nuclear powered game. One of the things that they did was they. Basically fast forwarded a reactor development site Set Up this reactor on the grid to demonstrate that it could be done but at great expense and effort on the part of the federal government that first commercial reactor became operational in nineteen fifty seven. It was happening. Electricity from nuclear power was about to be a reality in the United States and by the nineteen sixties New power plants are being licensed at a pretty steady clip. This is Natasha's risky. I'm a professor of history at the University of Alabama at Birmingham according to Natasha unlike other industrial sites like toxic waste dumps for example which were often pleased near poor communities and communities of color nuclear power. Plants didn't follow that pattern. They were just as likely to be placed near white middle class communities and if members of those communities had questions about their own safety living near nuclear reactor they were pretty much told man nothing to worry about. There was just a great deal of confidence. That you could create these technologies that were essentially accident proof and designed so well that it wasn't that they could remove the possibility of human error but that they could safeguard against any one human error creating the conditions for a really serious accident. The Atomic Energy Commission really downplayed. The potential health effects of nuclear fallout but concerns about the safety of these facilities. Were increasing. You had growing worries that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission which is the Regulatory Body that oversaw the licensing of new plants was overstating the safety of nuclear reactors and by the Nineteen Seventies. You have anti reactor activists asking about radiation emission from plants the kinds of arguments that they would use against new reactors would often operate in this grey area between nuclear weapons and nuclear power. You'll see protesters say no nukes. They're very intentionally calling. Upon the destructive side of nuclear energy the earliest associations between atomic reactors atomic weapons never completely disappears. There was tension and mistrust between these two sides the burgeoning nuclear industry who thought they were turning technology associated with destruction into something positive and the anti reactor movement who raised questions about the actual safety of Technology. Both continued to grow in the nineteen seventies but warnings. Were just coming from the outside. You do have nuclear engineers who see themselves as whistle blowers who are coming forward and saying you know there are complexities built into these systems. That can create the conditions for really serious accidents. Hi My name's Kerry Merrill from Phoenix Arizona. You're listening to three line from. Npr support for NPR comes from Newman's own foundation working to nourish the common good by donating all profits from Newman's own food products to charitable organizations that seek to make the world a better place. More information is available at Newman's own foundation dot org hey from NPR's how? I built this and each week on the show during this unprecedented crisis. I'll be asking some of the top. And builders how they're dealing with the economic impact of the coronal virus and hear about some of the ways they're pivoting to fight subscriber. Listen now to how I built this part to the accident from my perspective we were just living our lives taking the kids to school cooking cleaning taking them. You know there was no sense of danger at all. This is Karen Goldstein. She and her husband. Raymond Goldstein moved to a small town near Harrisburg Pennsylvania in the mid nineteen seventies. Very close to Three Mile Island. Going back to Harrisburg was like going back in another time period. Another time where things were Socially culturally way different or you might say not as progressive. They ended up there after Raymond. Got A job teaching at a local university and he was starting to think about what he was going to do. His dissertation on. He knew it would have something to do with public health but beyond that he was stumped. I was a stay at home mom at that point. I had two children a nine year old boy and a four year old boy and I was pregnant at the time there. Memories of that. Time and place are pretty idealistic. Karen described rolling fields and lush farmland. It's very beautiful there in the spring when all the crops start to pop up and it has a a wonderful smell and Susko Hannah River flows through that area. Which is really a beautiful river that heads down into the Chesapeake Day but there was one unavoidable eyesore right in the middle of all of that beauty. Our older son played baseball in a field and the towers loomed over it. Then everybody just went to the field drove up to the field and watch the Games you know in the shadow of the cooling towers. Those are the kind of big concrete towers have sort of the parabolic arc sides of tomorrow to say. Let us choose an electrifying career in line. Perhaps made most famous by the simpsons nuclear power nuclear power. I think at that time the power plant was not on people's minds beneath the people working at the plant. It was a well paying job. We were promised this was safe. We believe them that this was safe. We will go about our lives and we will even work in your plant and we think it's a good opportunity a good environment That's how it was before. The accident started in the early morning hours of Wednesday march. Twenty Eighth Nineteen seventy-nine. It was what people in the Industry. Call a loss of coolant accident. The biggest safety concern in any nuclear power plant is keeping the temperature at the level. You want it to be at. The temperature is crucial. Because there's a danger of overheating and on the first day of the Three Mile Island accident. A small mechanical failure caused cooling to overheat the reactor automatically shut down which should have fix the problem because as the pressure was rising the relief valve open to release the coolant. But it got stuck and didn't close again. There was also a malfunction in terms of the alert system. It was a failure of design. There was no explicit instrument to alert operators that the vow failed to close which meant the operators didn't realize the valve was stuck. The new there was a problem but not what it wants. The control room like the panels literally went crazy with different alerts and noises and the operators found themselves completely overwhelmed and so while the technicians initially reacted correctly their equipment was giving them that information bad information they couldn't get a read on what was actually going on inside the reactor which led to some unintended missteps. And what they ended up doing is exacerbating the coolant loss problems. So it created what became called a partial meltdown when temperatures get out of control damage in court and causing more and more parts of the reactor to go haywire and by around eleven am there is of very little situation going on in the building that encloses the reactor Accident in the water cooling system at Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in Hasbro Pennsylvania forced the company to call a general emergency and bounce sound it out on a newscast about the accident. I found out I believe this is how it happened. I had a friend who had a friend whose husband worked at the plant and I know I spoke to her that morning and she said something had happened. He was not of major importance. You was a minor event. We certainly didn't know any details. We didn't know there was confusion in the plant about what was happening and how to control it. We didn't know any of that the first day over the next couple of hours. The and our C. was on the scene The utility operators have been in conversation than with everything is under control The governor of Pennsylvania was no danger to public health and safety. There was a small release of radiation to the environment all safety equipment conscience properly as well as officials in Washington. We are taking more at this point. We believe there is still danger to public health and by the end of the day on the first day the nightly news was reporting. Okay there was an accident aren't was an accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant capping the number two generator about four o'clock the worst nuclear reactor accident today but aside from technicians who might have been exposed to radiation workers in their cars were checked and recheck radiation. Some was found lady. Think everything is everything is okay what was unclear was whether or not the situation was going to deteriorate further. Then I started hearing that people who worked at the plant said. It's much more serious than you're being told over the next couple of days information about what was happening at the plant and what risks posed began to get more and more. We do have a new development. It is not clear. The extent of this development there was using metropolitan. Edison has given you and US conflicting information more complex from the company. I let us to believe. There was talk of a hydrogen bubble forming inside the reactor and that raised fears of a possible explosion which is a terrifying possibility and the different sources of information seemed unsure about the information they were providing including the Utility Company Metropolitan Edison Arm. There anything back not the best of my knowledge and politicians like the governor of Pennsylvania Dick Thornburgh and and all this information is coming in. Our people are getting information that I'm giving I was even about using the word accident. We have absolutely no question. About the safety of nuclear plants. Resolve this mishap. We refer to it as a nuclear accident because continue to amplify the store. They the news tonight is not encouraging to sum it up in the word. It is still confusing from Harrisburg. Bring you up to. I think the local media at the time of the accident was really quite good and successful at staying focused on the task of getting practical information into the hands of people who live near the plant but there were many people at the time who felt that the coverage of the accident became increasingly alarmist. The further away that you were nation and much of the world has been watching as this nuclear nightmare unfolds in this plant on the Susquehanna River so there was news coverage as far away as Germany that had left the impression that you know the state of Pennsylvania had basically been wiped off the map. What happened with us? Was that our sister in law. Who WAS LIVING IN THE WASHINGTON? Suburbs called US and said Karen you have to get out of there. It's really bad really dangerous and you know that was the first. We knew that something had happened. There that might be. You know a serious threat to everyone in the area. Not just the people at the plant. The people who live near the plant found themselves in a really frustrating situation of trying to gather information kind of on the fly. Y- you didn't know who to believe. There was incomplete messaging. The situation was changing hour by hour at times and so the message is coming from the governor. Were changing hour by hour. You have these political authorities on one hand and technological authorities on the other and Thornburgh himself knew very very little about the workings of nuclear energy. So he's having to absorb information and then trying to keep the public apprised of what's going on. Think about that for a second under the best conditions. Nuclear Science isn't exactly easy to wrap your head around and in this situation even if you follow the science you might still have no idea what was going on because the experts themselves can't actually get in to see what's happening. You can use instrumentation to gauge radiation levels and temperatures but no one could actually go inside the reactor to assess the level of damage. So a lot of even the most expert experts were concluding about what was going on in the reactor was based on best guesses. And there's a quote even at the time of someone from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission saying it's like we're a bunch of blind men in a room kind of leading each other around the unknown and the unknowable. 's In all of this and the human capacity to kind of fill in the blanks with either good or flawed information or understanding. I mean it makes a lot of sense. In this moment people wanted answers and they began to demand them. They're flooding the governor's office with calls. They're calling local radio stations and local media to try to simply get the most basic information the NRC continued to say that there was no serious danger but governor. Thornburgh wasn't his sure and by day three. He decided to issue an advisory for pregnant women and young children to evacuate the area but it was unclear how they assess the danger or thought about the danger. Our younger son was a preschooler. And I was pregnant. You know you didn't WanNa take a chance. And so things escalated quickly. Immediate concern was out of town. I was trying to hurry him along and I was saying. We have to get out of here. We have to leave and she probably fought. I was pretty reluctant. Dragging his feet because he had already developed a questionnaire and was thinking about how we had to get information right away in this terrifying moment amid all this confusion Raymond who remember was a PhD student and Public Health had stumbled upon his dissertation topic. But a doing my best to act as good as I could. They packed up their car. Locked up their home and left. My husband drove drove us all to Washington and we stayed with relatives which I think so. Many people did but Karen was haunted by thought you know. Would we ever be able to go back? Would we ever be able to get our things because we we just left with a few things like refugees to or would this be something that would Completely make this area where we live before uninhabitable and unapproachable unlivable five days. After the accident. Then President Jimmy Carter visited Three Mile Island by that point. Nearly one hundred thousand people had evacuated the area for many including the mayor of nearby Middletown Pennsylvania. The president's visit signalled that the worst had past. We felt that the president of the United States is not going to Cobb. If it's not safe. And when he came it was really was a relief as far as people were concerned once. The crisis calmed down by day. Four or five or six you know there was a sigh of relief and I think even an acknowledgement at the time that this could have been a lot worse. The whole accident itself think lasted about a total of twelve days as the people who worked at the plant. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission and officials in Pennsylvania were trying to kind of gauge and make sense of what was going on inside the reactor core but also how much radiation was leaking from the plant. But this isn't where the story ends because without a clear sense of what happened. People in the community had no idea what the consequences might be for them and what the future might hold would they have? Higher rates of cancer was the water safe were their children at risk and for people like Karen and Raymond Goldstein. Who had left the question was should they even go back hi. This is ladonna Kennedy and from Chico California. And you're listening to through line from NPR. And I love this show support for this podcast and the following message come from the Walton Family Foundation where opportunity takes root more information is available at Walton Family Foundation Dot. Org Part three the aftermath. Just one night after they arrived in Washington. Dc Raymond was already itching to get back to Three Mile Island. My husband saw it much differently than I did I saw just in terms of the threat to our family As not only a threat to our family but also as something that must be investigated and he wanted to build a public health study around the psychological effects of what had happened at Three Mile Island and he wasted no time my decision to go back immediately ores fast as I could was probably not a sound decision leaving married for fifty years. I can tell you I mean he's just a very curious determined person and I don't know what is that driving force that he has but he was driven to to understand my wife correctly found. That was a not a good decision emotional driven but not base to find. If you were a rational mind. You probably wouldn't go back. Raymond drove back to Three Mile Island and got to work. I was unfunded. I had no money which Chris by wife will tell you a crazy that was but you couldn't wait six months or year or two years to find the funding to do it. Cause Disaster Research requires you to get out there very quickly and get your instruments out there to measure what was going on. He started serving the area gathering data and after a couple of weeks. He was reunited with Karen. They went back to their home where they had left. All of their things and life went on but nothing was the same and the fears and doubts remained were Karen and the baby. She was carrying at risk. Could their children develop health issues down the line from the radiation? They couldn't dwell on the scary thoughts so instead they focus on their kids and the research at a certain point the federal government decided it also wanted to conduct a study of what had happened so established a presidential commission. And since Raymond was already out in the field his work became part of that study guy. Forget exactly how much our grant was but basically it was significant amount of money that the federal government gave her the project and we were able to now this point expand. Raymond hired a staff of around twenty five people and Karen also got involved helping to interview residents within a twenty mile radius of the plant. We did over. Five thousand interviews. Were especially interested in how pregnant women and children were affected. We also the Prisons Commission asked us to do a study on the workers at the nuclear power plant which we conducted for them to find out. How much distressed caused the people? And what were the associated with this decision? The federal and state governments conducted a series of studies looking at radiation levels and health impacts. The results should have been good news for the community. Findings were consistently reassuring That no that. The amounts of radiation that had been omitted from the plant at the time of the accident. Never really were high enough to threaten public health but many people were skeptical of those findings. Not Knowing who or what to believe and instead filled in the gaps on their own there were a lot of rumors swirling around because it was a community that was on high alert. You know if there was a miscarriage there was a lot of speculation that it could be traced to the accident. Or you know there were local community members were going out and doing what is called popular epidemiology where they were trying to identify cancer. Clusters in the community their own kind of forms of information gathering because they didn't trust the official story about what had happened. Meanwhile the Nuclear Regulatory Commission cautious and how it characterized. The accident gave out ambiguous an incomplete information when we were going about our business to try and figure what was going on. It was very clear that this had secrecy and military values. So never had this kind of thing that this was another world that the Public D to get involved in her know bout keep in mind the NRC had for years reassured people that nuclear plants pose no danger that the systems were failsafe that there was nothing to worry about and what happened at Three Mile Island challenged all of that as Raymond and Karen. Talk to people in Your Three Mile Island. They realized that was the real heart of the matter. This lack of transparency and poor communication on the part of the authorities overseeing the response and to their surprise the dominant emotion. People seem to be feeling wasn't fear panic or even anger but the trail real loss of trust and in that breaking the trust of how they looked upon this organization the government and private industry regarding their safety society. You gotTa have someone that you believe is protecting us taking care of. You is doing their best if they make mistakes. People can understand that if things don't always go right people understand it but if things are looked like they're purposefully doubt with two missed lead. I think those are things. That helped to erode our trust in government. I mean you both left the area during the crisis as as residence and you went back in the aftermath as researchers right. Yeah so did you feel like you're kind of on the same wavelength as the people you were talking to like the you know your trust had also been betrayed I would say the beginning though. I really didn't think that the more I got into it two more. I started understanding so I didn't quite probably incorrectly. Think I was like them. I think we had overall trust that. These plants would be run safely and that they could be run safely. So I mean definitely there was A loss of trust you know. We felt definitely a loss of trust. Raymond and Karen. Welcome their baby into the world in October of nineteen seventy nine seven months after the accident and they eventually published a paper together called trust and its relationship to psychological distress. The case of Three Mile Island Three Mile Island was one of many crises in the one thousand nine hundred seventy s that tested the public trust. It was kind of the theme of the decade in American Life. There was Watergate the Vietnam War. And there's also a lot of people who are still deeply concerned about nuclear anything whether that's weapons or nuclear power now before the accident. Most people in the communities surrounding Three Mile Island probably weren't on board with a lot of the activism of the Times. This was a a conservative community. A pretty patriotic community a community that we don't associate with like the antiwar movement of late nineteen sixties or the cultural upheavals of the late nineteen sixties. But after the accident that changed at least when it came to the issue of nuclear power people in the community protested the reopening of the nuclear plant even when the NRC deemed it safe again. But Natasha's Red Ski says they still didn't identify with the broader movement found letters in the course of my research of locals writing to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and listing all of their family members who live near Three Mile Island. And then saying like you know. I'm listing this for you because I want you to know I'm not a professional protester. Not An outside agitator. So the people at Three Mile Island or they're both like becoming anti-nuclear at the same time that they are somewhat wary of the anti-nuclear movement the nuclear industry started to slow down after Three Mile Island and the accident dealt a real blow to any chance of making a comeback. At least for a few decades public support for nuclear energy fell from an all time. High of sixty nine percent in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven to forty six percent in nineteen seventy nine. There's no question bat. Three Mile Island played a really major symbolic role I mean for henceforth the Cooling Towers. Those images of the cooling towers became kind of iconic and became such an ominous symbol. After the event you could never look at them in the same way. Just seven years after Three Mile Island went nearly happen on the Susquehanna River did happen nearly five thousand miles away. It's near the city of Kiev population. Two point five million and about a thousand miles from Scandinavia. Nobody Mitchell village. We recently stricken by a disaster. The Chernobyl nuclear power excellent deeply affected Soviet. People understood a little opinion. It was a computer meltdown and injured. Two hundred ninety nine other turnover was kind of a nail in the coffin for that era of the nuclear industry. It was very difficult for an American public to you. Know hear about our lives through Three Mile Island and then see what a disaster could really look like insure noble in terms of impact. There's no comparison Chernobyl's death toll from the accident was thirty one with thousands more believed to have died in later years from radiation exposure. Officially there were no deaths at Three Mile Island. The pictures from Chernobyl are haunting buildings race to the ground. A sort of greyish dust envelops everything empty streets a ghost town. In contrast the area around Three Mile Island remained relatively unchanged at a glance. Nothing seemed different and yet three Mile Island lives on our collective imagination as a catastrophic event in large part because of how the crisis was handled in community. And I think that's kind of the key to the whole thing. I mean we're seeing that now too right like you know you can kind of insulate yourself from panicking in a way. If you feel empowered. If you feel like you're getting accurate information if you take about what's going on with this virus you get the feeling that The messaging from the political people is that there is a necessary equipment and irving is being taken care of and you find out. That's not the case and so leads doubts into the public that we can expect a government that will deal with. This fire is in a protective manner. I sort of think that had the crisis happened in the reactor in the exact same way in the technology field. The exact same way in the technicians did the exact same thing but the public communication would have been a little bit different. I think we would've had a very different lasting memory of three mile island than we do. Now that's it for this week's show. I'M MONSIGNOR LOUIS. I'm Rhonda you've been listening to through line from NPR. This episode was produced by me and me and Jamie York Lawrence Will Lane Kaplan Levinson Julie Kane Niger. Eight hundred guys checking for this episode was done by Kevin Vocal special. Thanks to show. Would you are for his voice over work? Thanks also to on your gunman and PM Jaka Matisse. Our music was composed by Ramtane ban drop electric which includes Anja Mizutani show food. You are need Marvi and please take a minute. Fill out that survey about our podcast. Npr DOT ORG SLASH. Podcast serving one word. 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