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No Spin News Audio Excerpt, October 5, 2020

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

14:08 min | 3 months ago

No Spin News Audio Excerpt, October 5, 2020

"Riley here. Welcome to the no Spin News for Monday October Fifth Two thousand twenty stand up for your country. Well, I, bet you you were following the Cova president trump news over the weekend and the coverage was terrifying. It was terrifying. And I'M GONNA go through it. I'm GONNA, walk you through it. And I'm not gonNA spare anybody's feelings I'm going to name the names. It was awful. Because look, this is a huge story President United States. It's a life threatening illness. And you can't get a modicum of truth nothing it's politicized immediately. What a disgrace All, right. So Anything. The White House would have done. Anything. Would have been criticize. So if they announced president trump was being tested for covid before the results came in, that would have been criticized. You're panicking people the spooking markets. Okay. So the announced afterwards now you waited too long. Then he goes to the hospital no, no, no, he should've. Answered questions? A. C. N. N. White House correspondent actually said on air he didn't answer questions he sick. Do not understand that Mr Kosta he sick. He's going to the hospital via helicopter not gonNA come over to you to answer questions because of he did you would say, Oh, you might have given me Kovin. Right. Just an example of the insanity. Now, the White House for its part. Wanted to show Donald trump as strong and not really affected by it, which was not the truth. I, Know Donald Trump if it was just a little thing, you would be going ospital. So the White House wanted to do that not give away too much. Stair step. What they tell the public. Now, you can decide whether that's good or bad. I would have liked to have more information. Okay I didn't get it and that allowed the anti-trump media the corporate media run wild. Now the reason, the White House did this is historical precedent. So let's go back to Nineteen Ninety Woodrow Wilson. As president has tremendous stroke his fourth stroke. All right. He's incapacitated. Almost totally out of the box nobody knows. They kept secret for two years. Then even had stroke. Amazing FDR comes back from Yalta. He looks like he's dead. Nobody knows why A few months later he is dead, he was dying. But it was the end of world. War Two and Washington was going to tell Hitler and Tojo, he was dying. Totally silent. Ronald Reagan Two months after his inauguration shadow was killed almost kill. Did you get that from? From the TV news reports at the time no, you did not. Then run on talk. Radio is almost dead. Okay. Now I chronicle what happened to Ronald Reagan in my book killing Reagan I walk you through it. But it was a massive deception. On the part of the Reagan people. Think level with the American people at all. Why? Because it wasn't good for the country? That's why. Now. I'm not saying it's the same thing with Donald Trump I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that there's precedent in the way the white. House gives out information about a president. And it's not a deception in the sense that they're trying to harm you or mislead you they're trying basically to keep the president in control. Because once the president loses control. Then all hell breaks loose we all understand this. You are listening to a free excerpt from bill. O'Reilly dot dotcoms. No Spin News broadcasts where you can actually see me. We'll be right back after this message. Seeing check engine light turn onto give you anxiety. Not Knowing what the issue is, how urgent or how much it could cost but with carshield. At. Is America's number one auto protection provider. carshield offers a variety of protection plans that can save you thousands of dollars. You can even have the freedom to choose your favorite mechanic or dealership even if your car breaks down while you're traveling the choice of a repair shop is up to you. 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Basically had a situation that got out of control real fast. So Friday night it was announced by Saturday and Sunday. It was insane. I couldn't watch I mean I saw clips and transcripts, but it was crazy. then. You had the hate the haters they they rose up very, very fast. MSNBC. The absolute worst go. Grow virus process. This is almost a nail in the coffin of his incompetence in handling the virus and that's the most important issue to voters and it seems to be right now this could be the death knell of a functional campaign by Donald Trump going forward And that's what that guy wants. So he politicises it immediately. Because that's what MSNBC and NBC, News and comcast that owns NBC News. That's what they want. So that's what they're going to spit out. All of these people, the anchors and the programmed. Producers they know what they're gonNA say it's called P. O. V. point of view whenever you have a guest you get that they know it they knowingly put on haters. Right now they're example though view the most irresponsible far left piece of garbage. In. Television history. Is Run by ABC News Not Entertainment. Disney. Let's see what the view had to say go. We know that president trump has not been transparent about his health in general and he has admitted that he downplayed this virus. So people wouldn't panic. Now does this mean that he will downplay his own symptoms? How can we trust any of the information that is coming out of the White House Sunny? The sad truth is that we really can't trust at face value what Comes out of the White House on this I think we have to ask the questions and we will continue to do so we will try to verify all the answers that we get but there's been so much misinformation that that that has that has gone out you know about the virus about the pandemic about things like suppression voter. suppression. What the ducey talking about that's ABC News is primary White House correspondent who wrote a book hating Donald Trump. He wrote a book hating Donald Trump when I worked for Peter Jennings and I did for two years at ABC News and the president was Roone Arledge if I had written a book. Hating the current president of the United. States. Right if I had done that. Probably would have been fired, but I nowhere near would have covered any politics. He's the White House correspondent this guy. What is he talking about voter suppression? What are you talking about? What does that have to do with President Trump Avenue virus. The. Absolute. Worst you CNN's Jake Tapper go. Many. Americans are likely feeling both sympathy and anger today emotions that don't necessarily mix well sympathy for all of those suffering including president trump remains at Walter Reed medical. Center. But also anger because so much. So much of all this pain could have been avoided. Tapper hates Donald Trump hates him doesn't feel sympathy for him isn't sad that. President has cove it. He hates his guts. So, this is a guy masquerading as news man who is a hater? He's no business being there and then he says all of this paying could have been avoided. How How Paris to shutdown. England is banning groups of more than six. Spain shutting down. Again. How could they have avoided this how? Mr Tapper how? You can't avoid this. Right. Back with a final thought on the president's illness. Hey investors seeking steady cashflow ready to diversify. Have you considered a proven real estate? Investment Fund And our I A has grown to be one of the nation's leading specialists and offers ten percent annualized monthly pay outs with bonuses targeted at Eighteen, twenty, one percent. That's right. 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You loons know who you are. So. I'm okay. For Guy that doesn't revel in people's pain. Even enemies of mine. When they get hurt I turn away. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say. That I'm. brokenhearted but I don't. Feel Joy. I saw a lot of that feel enjoy about Donald trump getting covert. I saw a lot of it. Some people try to hide it. But others did. and. I don't like where we are right now in this country. As I told you I. Don't want the far left running the US government. Do I can't vote for Biden Harris. I can't. I'm not endorsing anybody I don't endorse but I cannot vote for that ticket. Because I think they'll bring. Terrible harm to this country. So I want Donald Trump to be up and running. I hope he does better in the second debate. I don't think he. Maximizes potential and I debate to put it highly. He could lose. If he does losing because of covid. But he could lose I. think the president's gotTa, take stock over the next few days got get better. Got To think about it. So that's where we are on. October. Fifth. We appreciate you very much watching those spin news. And we'll see against you.

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7-11-19 What's News

The Nicole Sandler Show

06:00 min | 1 year ago

7-11-19 What's News

"It's time for Nicole Sandler's. What's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network embattled Labor Secretary Alex Kosta held a press conference Wednesday to defend his role in the Jeffrey Epstein Sexual Abuse Scandal a Kosta who at the time served as the U._S.? Attorney in South Florida said that his office intervened in the case after state prosecutors failed to secure a plea deal that would have resulted in jail all time for Epstein and give justice to his victims quote. I wanted to help them. That's why we intervened and that's what the prosecutors of my office did. He said they insisted that he go to jail and put the world on notice that he was and. Is a sexual predator. Here's more we believe that we proceeded appropriately based on the evidence there was value to getting a guilty plea and having him register as you watch these victim interview it's. It's very obvious that the victims feel that this was not a sufficient outcome. These victims were traumatized. We can't begin to understand what they went through and they look at this and they say but what so you always look back and you say what if this was the view of the office there is a value to a short guilty plea because letting him walk leading what the State Attorney was ready to do. Go forward would have been absolutely despite his defense of his actions the cost of would not say whether he'd give Epstein the same deal today and given multiple chances by reporters Acosta also refused to apologize to the victims. Adams saying today's world treats victims very very differently. Today's world does not allow some of the victim shaming that could have taken place at trial former Florida state attorney Berry Krisher blasted a cost of following the press conference calling his recollection quote completely wrong in a statement Krisher said if Mr Kosta was truly concerned with the state's case and felt he had to rescue the matter he would have moved forward with the fifty three page indictment that his own office drafted instead Mister Acosta brokered a secret plea deal that resulted in a non-prosecution agreement in violation of the Crime Victims Rights Act. Mr Costa's should not be allowed to rewrite history and quote well L.. Donald Trump has threatened to do it before and it looks like it's on again. Nationwide raids to arrest thousands of members of undocumented families have been scheduled to begin Sunday disorder in the house. It's a clash of ideas ideals. Ideals and generations in the House Democratic Caucus Nancy Pelosi versus A._F._C. Ilan Omar Rashida to leave an Ion Presley also known as the squad and closed door caucus meeting on Wednesday Pelosi reportedly scolded the freshman over over online trash-talking saying quote so again you've got a complaint you come and talk to me about it but do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just okay in an interview with the New Yorker published Wednesday Alexandria Cossio Cortez said that she has no relationship with Pelosi and that the two women haven't spoken since a conversation about committee assignments back in the Winter A._O._C. complained that the democratic leadership has consolidated quote an insane amount of power in a handful of people and to the Washington Post she continued quote when these comments I started I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm's distance in order to protect more moderate members which I understood but the persistent singling. <music> out it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color and quote well. You might think that a bridge needs guarding at the White House judging by the number of trolls expected it to their Thursday afternoon. Donald Trump has invited some of the Internet's troll earliest to an event being called a social media summit. Although the list of attendees hasn't been made public invitations were reportedly extended to Jim Hof te the publisher of the Right Wing Gateway Pundit blog bill Mitchell a radio host who promoted the extremists Cunanan conspiracy theory on twitter carplay Dunk Tom in anonymous troll who wanted contest. Put on by Info wars for an anti media meme Alley Alexander. That's the person who attempted to smear Kamla Harris by saying she is not a quote American black following the first democratic debates James O'Keefe the guy who deceptively edits videos. Videos to frame Democrats and others will be there. Donald Trump tweeted that he'll hold a press conference following the troll with on at three forty five eastern time where he's expected to announce that he'll use an executive order to add a citizenship question into the twenty two thousand census something the Supreme Court already ruled was out New Orleans is flooding and a brewing storm could bring severe damage this weekend hours of intense rain soaked the city flooding streets and shuttering downtown town stores meanwhile New Orleans bracing for more damage whether experts warn a potential tropical cyclone could strengthen into a hurricane just in time to slam into the coast and finally thousands of screaming fans celebrated the U._S. Women's soccer team in New York one day the team returned from France after historic World Cup win to massive celebrations. They use their victory parade as a platform to fight for equal pay and that's just a bit.

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Why was Alberto Costa sacked?

Coffee House Shots

12:48 min | 2 years ago

Why was Alberto Costa sacked?

"Welcome to the house shorts. Spectators daily politics chemist another day in other round of Brexit wars. Albert Costa has resigned from the government after he sponsored legislation that would have guaranteed Universal's rights. This was backed by the home secretary yesterday crushed by the prime minister today. So what's going on? I'm frigidness I'm joined by Katie balls and James Recife to discuss. So Katy you we know that this is been quite a divisive issue in the conservative party. Now, again, it looks like being resolved known again at Rupp's and civil war was going on this time yet. I mean, you say the divisive issue for the conservative party often. Feels like the division is Theresa May everybody else. Exactly. His absence the levers, oh trees may has been under pressure to guarantee the rights VU nationals living in the UK and constant has would say being on the back foot. But the back for implies that you don't realize she should do something. And you do late day is instead assume that this something she hasn't wanted to go near she at points. It would be helpful in a Goshi nations. Now in the jurors agreement we d have ease sins and Berta Coster conservative m p who is very well respected in the party before an an amendment, which basically mean that that part of the resort agreement guaranteeing those rights withstand, regardless of whether the UK's vita deal. Now, given that is looking increasingly unlikely the ks even going to leave. Is not too costly promise to make yet. We've had the all these mixed signals events this week. So you've had figs in the home office. You've had such Javid being very upbeat divisor. You've had Downing Street being very reluctant. And there was quite an extraordinary moment as let committee this morning that had Javid was appearing where he was asked about this amendment where the government would be supporting it. Admendment is being taped by Mr. Kosta for today. You asked me did you won't but that amendment so as to putting it in. Yes, good to hear that. What we now? When was it going not supporting when did you hear that from who prime minister, did you? Okay. Well. Basically hits at this continuing division between have Theresa May's these two stance on immigrants how you treat them and the home office under such Javid, which probably takes more liberal would licking approach. Now, it seems the government is accepting this amendment perhaps regretted teeth, but about it cost of the conservative MP is losing his role as a p p s in the process that has very low wrong on the ladder job, but is cool to bitter because this week we had Ambert we've had and two of cabinet colleagues. Basically, go public try and go against the government's Brexit policy. Several editorials at the weekend in the Daily Mail, and yet they haven't been punished they haven't been sacked. And if anything they've got the way, so I think people think this just doesn't seem to be very fair. So James, what does this tell us about Theresa May's leadership if you can call it that I mean, she? She will bend in all sorts of things you see in the curse story written Vanu new magazine out tomorrow that she doesn't even know what we she would damn advisor government to vote if there was an new DO Brexit vote coming up. Yes, or no, she can't make mind on that. The when it comes to something as basic as whether to guarantee the Ryan's vs. It's something that every Brexit here wanted g-o-v, even Nigel Farraj Boris the whole works. She seems to have got this incredible illiberal reflex. When it comes to matters of immigration, and the EU nationals thing, which was a signature theme of hers. She seems to be really holding onto this therefore reacting and crushing parole Bertha Costa when she allows other members of the cabinet to get away with them completes naked attempts to destabilise ruin Brexit strategy. The number ten defense will be there is a convention that is don't amend government bills. But as. Katie was saying he's hard to argue at the conventions on collective responsibility of being followed to the letter over spirit at the moment. And so therefore, we seems like a relatively minor. And just on that of since I understand that what happened was that? He was told PBS's couldn't done these amendments. And then was asked if he still wants to should be in his name parent. He said he did. And that's why he resigned. Button Bush communication whereby what they meant was if you do this. You're gonna get fired. And he might not have taken the hint at Tennessee. But I think as James touch given that that doesn't seem to be that much discipline all round, you think that if you can that other people get away with maybe given that this is something you want to happen. Even even basically swing can do. We should a wanted. Anyway. But but for obvious, there's always more reason the more certainty, you can offer EU nationals you've chosen to pursue neighbors and colleagues that would be bad. But if you're looking for a purely real politique point of view, it would also be a sense, we'll move on the UK's part because this is the European parliament feels very strong, and you begin actually to open a door. If you can begin to do bits of the withdrawal agreement without the whole thing, if you can take this since rights out and agree that why couldn't you then take the financial settlement out and agree that why could you sort of you begin to find a way to put together with the which degrom without night? And that I think is is an opportunity you'll be on the wanting to reject the offer. But it would actually also make an intellectual point about while that means variable, you don't you can have a withdrawal agreement, but isn't this green? So I get Wally Besser opposed to this thing any which way I can see the point that obviously the house comments comb boy in the European parliament, the European Union to agree to things, but it was sensible for it to be a stated aim of UK government policy in the in in the event that no agreement could be reached the UK and the EU would seek to basically find a way to ensure that the piddle the agreements systems Ribes continues. Now, Casey the cover that. We've just sent a press goes to resume being stretched members of her party. Jeremy Corbyn mean stretched by members of his the point being that imagine how bad things get Theresa May the odds over Labour's having an even worse time of with more developments last night. Have had fish that of Christmas close Kuban at I very dedicated Kuban insta- at two meeting with party activists. And in that meeting he talks that Labor's response to anti semitism, especially after all these MP's quit the party last week. We've got the clipper. Let's listen. Response. Because. Here. He is saying that the party has been too apologetic on antisemitism. And I think adding insult to injury. He goes on to say that when Joan Ryan one of his colleagues quit the party last week, citing anti semitism, he actually had a personal celebration. So is really difficult footage for the labor party. I think is difficult because Kuban those persons in to be known to be a bit rogue. They are definitely someone who speaks to Kuhlman is a loyal Kuban, and you've already seen that Chris had to cancel immediate. Parents today the ball, gee, isn't. And he can't his radio parents because he had emergency business the labor party. Then actually quite savvy them Senate roof smaetphone his place that is a Jewish labor MP who's suffered anti semitic abuse. And he is now being forced into an apology. But. Has issue up again because the figures in the party, including Tom Watson here saying actually, Jeremy called want send a really clear signal that he takes issue anti semitism seriously who should suspend Williams, and so far be reluctant to do that Chris Williams and is going to be investigated, but not suspended wall is isn't pleasant viewing. But I would encourage everyone to watch the clip because I've sign of the problem is not just that Chris Williams says this, but it's the very warm reception almost rapturous reception. He gets from the whole when he says it that is the problem. The problem is not just that you have an MP saying unsavory things you have then been applauded for saying, those unsavory things I get that is a reveal of how deep is problem is and the level of cultural change that will be required to deal with it. Well to makes it even more lively manual Macron has just Sam added his bit to the Briggs negotiations. He's saying that he would support. Requests for to stay in the U for longer to negotiate an extension to article fifty. But only in his words if it were justified by a new choice of the British. We would Inouye accept an extension without a clear objective. So James, I mean, given that Theresa May's new strategy is to ask for proof of her deal or for new deal or for an extension. It seems as third way extension. The one that amber Rudd has been so clear to minimize to take off the table is also being made less attractive by the. I mean, we had Jacob Bruce mortgage are event last night saying he would back the extension. We've been with Nick out of Europe for forty years. He was saying we can wait never three months that the question is will it be three months manual Macron seem suggest? No. So the micro view as I understand that has been as has been reported back to cabinet ministers in London is that the fringe uses engine favorable lengthy venture on the grounds at that gives the. The longest time for political dynamics in the UK to change because they think what time is on their side longer. The Brits have to stew on this the more. They're going to go off breaks, and perhaps abandon it altogether. And you you can see when you see the labor party, Jeremy Corbyn, despite all of his reluctance and the tobacco second referendum. You can see why he thinks that. I also think that what you see from micro is essentially there is issue European pond two actions. Right. He he is very worried about those in how he will do against a marine. The pens new national rename national rally party. I mean away the polls looking better pay not from and they happen for a while. And I'm gonna give you Honey license Britain's AO we won't more time to either hold referendums. We not say sure anymore all because we want to negotiate an even closer relationship where we have to take Eru were saying on that stuff then that would oversee be a positive for him. But I think is a reminder that Louis people in in in classic Westminster parochialism, those people like parliament can decide how long this extension is no parliament can tell the government to request an extension, but government can also the eve retention. But is he EU but within except though then dictate as entry the Tom's that extension is James in Katie. Thanks very much. Indeed. Now, if you want to listen to the Jacob re smog event, we've now got it up on our newspaper tater radio channel that spectator. Could at UK forward slash radio will take you to that. It contains coffee how shorts in the whole selection of our podcasts. You can also subscribe to the magazine. Tryouts for twelve weeks. It will cost you twelve pounds. A new get bizarrely twenty pound. John Lewis voucher on spectator could at UK forward slash voucher. Thanks for listening. Thanks to producers into you.

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Sorry, Not Sorry; New Tension In The Persian Gulf; Disinformation Campaign; New Orleans On Alert

Anderson Cooper 360

42:47 min | 1 year ago

Sorry, Not Sorry; New Tension In The Persian Gulf; Disinformation Campaign; New Orleans On Alert

"It's an edge of your seat. Thrill ride that will change overseas forever. The Movies Sundays Nine PM on C._N._N.. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses visits any today at Xeni Dot dot com slash C._N._N.. Good evening very minor. Part of the news tonight in Washington is whether the President's Labor Secretary Alex Acosta will actually keep his job. The larger story is whether back when he was U._S.. Attorney in Miami Miami Acosta did all he could to put financier Jeffrey Epstein man he apparently believed to be a serial child molester rapist behind bars and before we even listen to any of secretary causes televised public accounting this afternoon for the decisions he made aide back then for the deal he cut for what he did and didn't say to the accusers the alleged teenage victims WanNa reduce some what the chief Palm Beach County Prosecutor at the time just said about it tonight and I'm quoting as the state attorney for Palm Beach County for Sixteen Years Years Nineteen Ninety three to two thousand nine which included the entire period of the Epstein investigation. I can emphatically state. Mr Costa's recollection of this matter is completely wrong. You went on to say if Mr Kosta was truly concerned with the state's case Hayes and felt he had to rescue the matter he would move forward with the fifty three page indictment that his own office drafted instead Mr Kosta brokered a secret plea deal that resulted in a non prosecution agreement in violation of the Crime Victims Rights Act Mr Costa he concludes should not be allowed to rewrite history and here's some of the real history. It's a passage from the Miami Herald Prize winning investigation of the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein friend and neighbor at the time of Donald trump a friend of president Clinton and Britain's Prince Andrew and as you know Epstein is now facing similar federal charges eleven years later in New York and I'm quoting now Epstein Scheme I began to unravel in March of two thousand and five when the parents the bay fourteen year old girl told Palm Beach Police that she'd been molested by Epstein at his mansion. The girl reluctantly confessed that she'd been brought there by two other girls in those girls pointed to two more girls who had been there by the time to Texas track down one victim there were or two and three more defined soon there were dozens dozens of underage girls the Palm Beach Police chief who supervised the investigation telling the Herald and I quote we didn't know where the victims would ever end. That's what the U._S.. Attorney's office stepped into in two thousand thousand seven and two thousand and eight so many charges in fact they filled fifty three pages enough to put Epstein away for the rest of his life. Instead though in what's being described as a highly unusual non-prosecution agreement Epstein was put on the sex offender registry USTRY and allowed to plead guilty to a single state prostitution charge for which he served thirteen months essentially part time in the Palm Beach County jail it was actually allowed to leave jail and go to his office six days a week. Now terms of the agreement were kept secret from the accusers until after the fact unlawfully according to a recent court ruling in addition at immunize any unnamed co-conspirators and essentially shut down any further federal investigation in that jurisdiction today Secretary Acosta Asta went before the public he repeatedly said that <hes> taking Epstein to trial would have been quote rolling the dice and quote even though Justice Department figures show that U._S. attorneys brought more than thirty six hundred similar cases between the years two thousand and four in two thousand and thirteen a cost repeatedly shifted responsibility for the decision onto career prosecutors repeatedly lamented the times were different back then as if back then were fifty years ago instead of two thousand eight when all this occurred the one thing constant did not do not once was apologized to the alleged victims or even say he'd do anything differently secretary. A lot of people are watching this news conference including several young women who say they were teenagers when Jeffrey Epstein sexually assaulted them they say they went to you looking for help and they didn't hear back from you until it was too late. Do you owe them an apology so you're raising the issue a victim notification and in the documents that I've circulated I've addressed the victim modification as well okay so that's not even answering the question that was asked let alone offering any kind of an apology and no regrets here either standing today. Are you basically saying that you feel that you did everything you could. You got the best deal you could get and you have no regrets. We believe that we proceeded appropriately. A federal judge says otherwise the new indictment in fact suggests otherwise as well well the fact that dozens of accusers had no say in the deal that certainly says something just not to the Labor secretary. You really have nothing else to say to these victims beyond you should come forward that places a lot of burden on children <hes>. What else do you have to say? You've avoided addressing these these people directly so to be clear that is not all. I said you know I think if I recall and I obviously don't have transferred here but you know what what I've said. Previously is I have seen these interviews and I can't. I generally be can't begin to fathom what these victims have been through. I don't think that anyone that has not been in this situation. Nations can begin to fathom the closest. I can come to think what would I feel like if one of my girls was going through this well keeping them honest. No one doubts that a father would do to protect child. The question tonight is is what did a public servant that public servant WHO's now serving the cabinet of the trump administration do or not do to protect everyone's children Jim Acosta. We're going to talk to him. Shortly joining us right now is the Miami Herald's Julie Brown who's done the definitive reporting on the Epstein deal and is largely responsible for the new spotlight on this entire episode Julie. Thank you so much for joining us. Surgery Casa seemed to argue that this plea deal he struck with Epstein was the best that he could do. Is that true well. That's his belief in there are certainly people in his office that agree with him <hes> but I think a lot of law enforcement people have been on here all day on C._N._N.. All Day explaining that there were other options <hes> first of all he if he felt like he didn't have enough evidence or that some of which all the evidence that he had was remarkable in my opinion and other experts opinions but even if he felt that this was a little shaky and he couldn't get a conviction he should've followed what is F.. B. I wanted which they want it. They were already finding evidence that this went beyond Palm beach the the F._B._i.. Files show that they were traveling to New York New Mexico to interview witnesses now the reason why they were doing that is they were understanding outstanding that that this kind of crime this kind of sex pyramid scheme involving young girls. <hes> isn't something that he probably would just do in Palm Beach when he traveled so regularly would be natural for the F._B._i.. To want to examine whether he was doing thing it elsewhere and so had they stuck with the case and not done this plea agreement perhaps they would have realized that this was a much bigger operation and just in terms of this operation meant. How big was this? How long did this go on for is that is that I mean? How were you able to trace this back in terms of what he was doing? It seems like he was starting to do it at least in in Florida since like Nineteen Ninety Eight <hes> he there were a couple of girls who came came forward that were that were in his circle. Let's say since that time and it continued all the way up until the agreement was practically until the agreement was signed and he would he would get one girl teenager to then try to recruit others as well right he would get his foothold in somehow with he had recruiters and schedulers and they would <hes> go to spas for example around Palm Beach and find these young spa attendants and talk to them about coming. Look we WANNA recruit you <hes> to this wealthy man who wants you to give him massages. That was the code word urge really that they always used and so the the girl would come and you know she's very young. She goes to high school. He would say how you know what your life like he he would <hes> especially prey on girls that were in <hes> unfortunate circumstances <hes> very poor or even on the verge of homelessness and he would say well look. I'll pay for a massage. He would molest them. If they felt uncomfortable he would which they frequently did. He said well that's fine. Alpay you for every girl you bring me so when Palm Beach Police were investigating this it was like you know Leslie was here and she was brought by Mindy and Amanda and then you go to Indian Amanda and they said well you know these two other girls brought got me in these two other girls brought me and it was you know he was doing this two three four times a day. Girls were coming in and out of his mansion two or three four times a day. Yeah different different girls Yes yes in his office that interesting. I mean they had drafted an indictment against Epstein. It was never filed is why was that we know well you know he he hired the best lawyers lawyers that <hes> someone of his means can can hire and he was very shrewd about it. He hired a lawyers that were <hes> politically connected. <hes> you know Mr Casa was an alumnus of the Kirkland L._S.. Law Firm Jay Lefkowitz who was obscene attorney was with that law firm. <hes> Kenneth Starr was with that law firm some of the other lawyers he hired had been former of U._S. prosecutors <hes> in in the Miami Office so they were. They knew you know who you know. They knew a cost us so it was sort of like this you know for the most part of boys club of Lawyers Julia. If you could just stay with US I was wondering <hes> Kia Roberts the former senior assistant district attorney in Kings County. That's Brooklyn in Brooklyn New York also seen N._C. C._N._N.. Legal analyst Paul Callan and served as prosecutor in that very same office pull one thing that struck me about what it costs to sensitive question. He didn't really answer which was why didn't he just keep investigating I if if he had all these victims identified need more evidence why not push ahead Julie said the the F._B._i.. was going farther farther afield yeah. You're absolutely right Anderson. I mean he was according really traffic ticket treatment to a crime that couldn't wind up with forty five years of exposure prison exposure now and all you have to do is look at the indictment that was handed down unsealed in New York on Monday that indictment actually reaches back to the year two thousand and two to Palm Beach to Epstein's mansion in Palm Beach and includes the incidents that were very much under a cost jurisdiction restriction at that time so that means that over a decade later New York prosecutors were able to put together a case against him when a cost of claims no case was possible at that time there were lots of federal crimes that were possible here because telephones were used computers were used airplanes and boats were used with respect to the commission of the crime all of this would have generated federal jurisdiction and yet he walked away and really gave a sweetheart deal in negotiations by the way with Ken Starr who was the lawyer who recruited him to come to Kirkland analysis when a Kosta was working as an attorney in private practice so just a lot of strange looking things went on in this case ever any kind of time limit put on an investigation like this absolutely not so. There's a lot of things that make this situation strange. We could really go on and on about it for hours but what I will say is this there does exist a statute of limitations for certain certain crimes but in this particular instance the the investigation had already reached kind of one of its apex which is that he'd been charged and once that happens and as Julie put so well that one victor is in a two two turns into twelve twelve twelve turns into twenty four you have to collect the evidence do a full and thorough investigation and see where it goes where it puts you and I cannot imagine a judge in the world that with these serious facts would not have allowed you to fully and thoroughly investigate the case and take us to its logical conclusion. Julia secretary cost put a lot of blame on on the career prosecutors in his office for decisions that were made in this case to be clear he was the boss I mean at the end of the day the final say on on what happened here right right and he made a lot of this meeting which <hes> I focused on my story <hes> how he met privately with Jay Lefkowitz <hes> epsteins attorney far from his office in in Miami at a AH Marriott in October and he made much of the fact that well you know there's nothing to that meeting because that deal was signed in September before that meeting ever happened and if you look at the record. Yes there was some papers sign in September but they were hotly negotiating that agreement all the way up to the point that he appeared in court in June of two thousand and eight there was a lot of stuff happening and there's also a letter that it <hes> Jay Lefkowitz wrote back to a cost to after that October meeting saying thank you very much. I'm glad we discussed this and just re reminder here that you're not you agreed not to tell any of the victims about this deal so it was at that meeting. We suspect that he arranged for the secrecy aspect of it which you know that's the biggest question here why if it was such a good deal did he seal the deal so that the nobody could find out what it it was. That's incredible that he's blaming career prosecutors but he's going to the secret meeting Outta town. I mean that that's just seems highly unusual. Doesn't I mean Paul. Is that normal. No it's not at all normal as a matter of fact <hes> virtually all meetings were pleased are being negotiated. Take place at the prosecutor's office. It's very rare that a prosecutor would even go to a defense attorney's office but in this case <hes> he went to a hotel hotel for a breakfast meeting so it was clearly intended to keep the negotiation secret and then he ultimately negotiates a deal where the victims are not going to be notified about anything he gets a very nice. Thank you letter <hes> <hes> from Kirkland and Ellis the defense firm so it's very very unusual Kia. Why wouldn't the victims be notified him? I get why defense wouldn't want the victims to be notified. The why I mean prosecutors working for the people oh absolutely so it's shocking it's inexplicable and is completely unprecedented. You know when I was a homicide prosecutor in Brooklyn one of the most unique and meaningful parts of the trial would conclude with the victim's family family in a homicide situation or the victim itself when the victim was still alive and they were allowed to give something called a victim impact statement and that was talking to the judge and looking the defendant in the eye and saying this is what you did this is how this says affected me and my family that was a hugely important in Cathartic and therapeutic process for victims and the effect that this was denied to the thirty plus young women who have the courage and fortitude to to assist with the investigation is really heartbreaking and cruel Kiam Paul. Thank you Julie Brown in this age. Where reporters are you know under the gun and being called all sorts of things reporting is critical and exposing doing this story and really nobody would be here? <hes> you know it would not the victims were not have a voice at this point or not for you. Thank you very much coming up the latest from the White House on all this including reaction action to Secretary Acosta's performance and later new reporting on the bogus conspiracy theory that was apparently to juicy for right wing media and even the trump administration to actually check the death of D._N._C.. Staffer the claim he was gunned down by assassins working for Hillary Clinton right and and the alternative explanation it appeared to offer in the Russia investigation again. This was a phony story and tonight. We now know where it originated investigative reporter Michael isikoff has the real story he joins shortly remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash C._N._N.. The breaking news tonight fallout from Labor Secretary Casa's explanation of his actions as U._S.. Attorney eleven years ago that gave alleged serial L. Child Molesters Rapists Jeffrey Epstein what we've all now heard described as a sweetheart deal the latest development a brutal statement from the Palm Beach County State Attorney at the time accusing Secretary Kosta today of rewriting history C._N._n.. She Mukasa joins us now. So what are the White House do what they thought of a Costa's performance today Yeah Anderson so far. They feel that <hes> Secretary Kosta handled himself pretty well earlier today. They felt <hes>. I talked to one official earlier this evening. You said you know he offered some information. <hes> to it was defenders out there who are trying to counter this criticism that he was too lenient. <hes> the vice president came forward <hes> late today and said that they were glad to see secretary accost step forward but much of this is driven by the President Anderson who does not appear to be at this point in in the mood to unload the Labor Secretary from what I understand talking to a senior administration official he wanted Secretary Acosta to go out there fighting for his job and the president wanted to fight against these calls for his resignation coming from Democrats up on Capitol. Oh Hill in the words of this senior administration official the president's attitude about those detractors was quote screw them well in terms of his job. Security should a cost to be breathing a sigh of relief tonight because obviously obviously a lot of reviews of things he said I mean there are a lot of things he just left unsaid or just refused to answer or you know <hes> apparently answered incorrectly or or was rewriting history according to the official that's right <hes> that that's what that state prosecutor former state prosecutor saying down in Florida that Secretary Costa's recollection of events <hes> completely wrong but I I will tell you Anderson <hes> we've seen this White House. We've seen this president say in the past about previous officials that he would like to see a various his cabinet members come on <hes> stay on board when they've come under some pretty intense scrutiny but I talked to one senior administration official who said he cautioned against <hes> you know thinking that Secretary Costal remain in that position forever saying that one day you work for president trump trump the next day you don't and that that is a very candidate assessment of how things go inside this administration Anderson as you know <hes> you are useful until you're disposable Anderson Yeah and then then you never worked there initially <hes> to to begin with but that's like on day three. You're they like you. They fire you and they don't even know who you are Jim Acosta. Thanks very much joining us. Now is <hes> Democratic Democratic Congresswoman Katherine Clark who helps oversee funding for the Labor Department she tweeted today and I quote somehow secretary very costly manage fifty three minutes of victim blaming but he couldn't manage to say the two words we need to hear. I resign congresswoman Clark. What's your reaction to the reporting that we just heard that White House officials think Kosta handled himself well today well? It's certainly not surprising coming from this administration that they continue to side Justice Secretary Kosta did with the powerful with the wealthy and not with the vulnerable and the children. We have an outrageous case he's here. We're Secretary Acosta when he was the U._S.. Attorney sided with Jeffrey Epstein and his lawyers who he apparently knew from legal circles and decided to settle this case in secret from the victims giving very unusual settlement agreements like providing blanket immunity for unnamed co-conspirators and and yet there's no apology. Laghi today there's there's nothing that says I regret this. We've just heard blame shifting and evasion and we need to hear those words that there will be responsibility and accountability ability. Do you think if he had come forward and said I. I regret that deal looking back on it. I wish I had pushed harder that would that would reflect well on him. It's certainly not something obviously the President United States likes to hear people apologizing for something. Would that have worked for a cost of better than what he did today well. It certainly would have been a start that shelling. He has some basic human indecency but really what this comes down to is that if we cannot trust secretary of Kosta when he is looking at a draft of a fifty three page indictment showing a sexual ring that involved solved minor girls these were young girls with Co conspirators and Jeffrey Epstein at the very center if he chose them and need this very unusual deal that resulted in the most incredibly luxurious sentence I've ever heard of where you go to state jail for thirteen months and you get a work release six days a week and the fact that he is now our Secretary Secretary of Labor. He is in charge of making sure that children are not exploited in the labor market that they are not trafficked he is in charge of equal pay making sure that workers can be whistle blowers and talk about conditions on the job and he continues to choose the very powerful over victims. So how can we possibly trust him to be a secretary of labor and choose American workers. Do you find it ironic. That cost US said that his message to any other of victims is that they need to come forward given the fact that he works for president routinely attacks derides victims when when they do come forward with allegations of sexual assault and even rape against against him yes. It doesn't seem like a case where there's been a lack of people coming forward. It seems like there's actually huge numbers of people that are huge numbers of people coming forward. We're dark huge numbers of victims that that Secretary Kosta knew about at the time he made the secret sweetheart deal for Jeffrey Epstein and it's it's beyond ironic it is really disgusting and it is frightening to think that he thinks it is appropriate to to look into a camera and tell victims to come forward when we have his actions and we have the actions of president student that we've been faced with his own rape allegations just several weeks ago his defense was that woman is not my type. This is the administration that we are dealing with. This is the actions of this particular secretary. Unfortunately this is a continuation of how this administration expresses misogyny doesn't believe victims of sexual assault and continues to choose choose the very wealthy and rig this system for them to the exclusion of everyone else Katherine Katherine Clark. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Thank you Anderson. We have more breaking news straight ahead tonight more provocation in the Persian Gulf by Iran U._S.. Officials are revealing tonight about what's going on. We'll be right back. The right sheets can take your sleep sleep and your style to the next level with Bollandbranch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percent organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time that's why they have thousands of five-star reviews and even three U._S.. Presidents Have Boll and branch sheets. Try Them for thirty nights and if you don't love them send them back for a full refund. Go to Bollandbranch DOT com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets plus free shipping with Promo Code C._N._N.. To Spelled B. O. L. L. Andbranch DOT COM. That's Bollandbranch Dot Com Promo Code C._N._N.. To breaking news tonight from the Persian Gulf officials tell C._N._n.. That five armed boats operated by Iran's Revolutionary Guard tried unsuccessfully to seize a British oil tankers. It was crossing the Strait of Hormuz now. According to these officials the Iranian to order the tanker to change course and stop Iranian territorial waters a British Navy frigate escorting the tanker trained its debt guns on the Iranians Indians and warned them to back off they did U._S.. Officials Say U._S.. Aircraft was overhead and recorded video of the incident but nothing so far has been released. Zaccaria host afraid Zaccaria G._P._S. joins me right now. So what do you think is going on here freed. What what is Iran's game aiming this trying to accomplish with these aggressive moves the Iranians were trying to retaliate for a similar British move that took place a while ago but the real story hand? It's an is that you have a ratcheting up of tensions on almost every front ever ever since the trump administration has really tighten the noose on Iran that is essentially made it impossible for Iran to sell its oil on international markets. The Iranians have been backed into a corner and are trying to explore how they can use the leverage which they have access through the Persian Gulf their interest in in Lebanon or Yemen or close to <hes> Saudi Arabia and they've been putting up <hes> again of turning up the heat as much as they can the trump administration the situation seems to want this seems to want to add to the pressure but it's not clear to what end there is no negotiating strategy laid out. There is no diplomatic solution. They have put forward so the danger here is an atmosphere of a high tension with both sides not wanting to back down you could easily see some kind of miscalculation and it could lead to some of the situation. I don't think the trump administration wants which is war. The administration has a lot of pressure on Iran but it's not clear what its strategy is. What is the goal? I also want to ask you about the resignation of the British Ambassador to the United States today that happened the cable some cables he'd ridden were leaked in what you call the president quote insecure were and the administration inept and quote dysfunctional. I mean the thing about all this is. This is basically what ambassadors do they and U._S.. Ambassador's do it about leaders of countries. They are based and they send unvarnished opinions. On the country and the leadership in which they're serving that is their job isn't it. I mean of course and you know. Do you think it even to Donald Trump was at any news that people think that he's somewhat insecure ten skin narcissistic and take things personally I mean if that's the case then Donald trump not reading newspapers or watching television <hes> look the important thing is that the the brain buster was actually saying it in a very constructive way he was trying to help minister's <hes> his government figure out how to deal with trump and if you read the you know the more detailed version of the leaks he's saying to them therefore couch everything in personalistic term store tra- make it about him begin by praising being him begin by praising some recent accomplishment he's made and if you look at the ambassador's own dealings his tweets his statements they all followed that he lavishly praise trump so this is a guy doing exactly what his job should be. He he was describing his own internal character assessment of trump as you say exactly as ambassadors should do and if trump were not as thin skin the way he's reacted to this. It's more like some kind of act of vengeance that a Mafia offier boss wants to take rather than a dealer the president who should surely no this is the game of international diplomacy. We don't know what the the British or the American ambassador from London is telling trump about theresa. May you know this is how the game works. Don't take it personally. Get over it. Yeah I mean it's just it's embarrassed. The president's clearly just embarrassed by it and there doesn't like to be embarrassed and is therefore just lashing out even mm though this is something you know kind of got lost in all this drama are are the words the actual words that the ambassador used. It's something that our closest allies uses the words inept and dysfunctional in describing the this <hes> this White House I mean it's not unusual. What's what's extraordinary of course is the reaction of the trump administration and Donald trump has completely confirmed everything the ambassador said about the president of the administration yeah yeah for appreciate it freed Zaccaria? Thanks very much next. I'm going to talk with a reporter who unmasked the culprit behind this seth rich conspiracy the most widely circulated and widely debunked theory about Russian interference in the election. Hi everyone it's poppy harlow in this week's episode of boss files and exclusive interview with Google CEO Sundar Pichai his remarkable story growing up in India with little access to technology -nology to landing the top job at Google job. He'd never raised his hand for for the first time Google response to news of a possible anti-trust investigation of the company and lawmakers calls to break up big tax plus plus his pledge to do more to curb the spread of disinformation and he on Youtube. We sat down with him at Google Data Center in Pryor Oklahoma or the company is adding hundreds of jobs as it invests across the Midwest subscribe to boss files today. Listen to our exclusive interview with Google CEO Sundar Pichai just a week before Robert Muller testifies before Congress. A new report has named the culprit of a widely discredited conspiracy conspiracy theory about who hacked the D._N._C. During the two thousand sixteen election now the original theory which was peddled by the far-right said it wasn't rush at all rather a d._N._C.. Staffer named seth rich had leaked the emails and that assassins working for Hillary Clinton had murdered him. I'm rich was killed three years ago tonight and what was most likely a robbery. The facts didn't prevent personalities on Fox News even the president's current lawyer Jaysekulow from pushing the theory or secular back in two thousand seventeen. It sure doesn't look like a robbery. It looks like a murder and I haven't seen the files. You haven't seen the files but there's one thing this undercuts. I think is this. I think this whole Russia argument Sean is such a sucker for reality well. The reality was that the theory floors the conspiracy theory flourish. Here's a man holding a sign peddling conspiracy to rally for President Trump in Tampa Florida in July of last year until now we didn't know where the conspiracy theory actually originated now we do thanks to Yahoo Yahu News and a new six part podcast series with Michael ISIKOFF chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News broke the story so Michael. This is fascinating reporting on your part just explain to us how this whole conspiracy theory actually started yeah. It is a fascinating fascinating story. It's sort of an archaeological dig into these conspiracy theories which got so much traction in two thousand sixteen seventeen and even to till today I and what it turns out is <hes> Seth Rich was killed on July tenth two thousand sixteen. He was walking home in the early hours of Sunday morning. <hes> after night drinking at a local bar and with the cops concluded is <hes> very early on that this look like a botched robbery there had been a string of robberies in that in the neighborhood where he lived in the weeks before his death and seth rich resisted his assailants <hes> they apparently panicked and shot him in the back three days later on an obscure website called. What does it mean dot com? They report that in fact seth rich was on his way to talk to the F._B._i.. To reveal corruption option about the Clintons when he was gunned down by a squad of assassins working for Hillary Clinton the prosecutor in charge of the case at the time <hes> Deborah signs talked to us for the first time for this podcast cast and she talked about how frustrated she was about these wild conspiracy theories relating to her case so she asked the U._S.. Intelligence community to help her figure it out. Where are these theories coming from and what she she wants what she got back? She says floored her. It turned out that the Russian S._V._R.. That their version of the CIA the Foreign Intelligence Service had circulated a bulletin <hes> disguise to read as a real intelligence report making those exact same claims about seth rich that was in that what does it mean dot Com story about the squad of assassins working for Hillary Clinton and from there it took off it migrated into these alright sites and chat rooms all on Reddit four Chan and within a few weeks Roger Stone. The president's longtime political adviser picked. Did Up tweeted a picture of seth rich and said another dead body in the Clintons wake and picked up by Fox News of folks on yeah on the Fundus exactly the same day that Roger Stone tweeted that Julian assange gave an interview to Dutch television reporter in which he hinted that seth rich was his source for these for the D._N._C.. Emails <hes> he posted posted a wikileaks announced a twenty thousand dollar reward for information about seth riches murder and eventually this made it all the way up to the trump White House in the podcast we reveal text messages from Steve Bannon then White House senior counselor encouraging a C._B._S.. <hes> sixty minutes producer to go chase the story calling it a huge story. It was a contract kill. Obviously that was in March two thousand seventeen and then in May of the two thousand seventeen just as the Russia story is blowing up Fox News picks it up and shouts it to the rooftops. I mean it's incredible. What you're describing really is a classic disinformation campaign and out of the what was formerly the K._G._B.'s textbook and exactly the fact that it got such such widespread amplification through U._S. folks in America alright stuff and Fox News? That's incredible absolutely look there is a there's a phrase for what the Soviets used to do in the Cold War active measures. It's a disinformation operation which in which you the plant phony stories or conspiracy memes <hes> into far media and then hope that they will migrate and and and and take off that's exactly what this was. This was a clear Russian disinformation operation operation and I should point out that it wasn't just those S._v._R.. Bulletins as we reveal the Internet research agency that troll farm in Saint Petersburg that was central to the Russian meddling interference manipulation of social media during the two thousand sixteen election picked up the seth rich case they tweeted and re tweeted about it more than two thousand times under phony accounts the skies as Americans such as you know ten underscore G._O._p.. Like pretending pretending to be the Tennessee Republican Party and that it was constantly tweeting about seth rich keeping the story alive in the social media bloodstream. I mean you would think the the person holding up that sign that it was on Tampa or the people doing this on T._v.. If they had decency they would apologize for essentially doing the bidding of Russian intelligence by pushing this this theory which had no evidence at all. Oh no no evidence whatsoever there was not you know the claims were that there was a <hes> the F. B.. I. Had on Seth Riches Laptop had found communications with wikileaks complete nonsense there. It was nothing to back that up but you know the real emotional core of the story is just what just what a gut how gut wrenching this was for the rich family <hes> to see their sons you know reputation Asian being sullied suggesting he was the leaker and a thief who portrayed as D._N._C. Colleagues Mary rich the mother of Seth Rich One of those we interviewed for this podcast talks about how says at one point this was like losing and my son all over again and any any progress on the investigation into what they believe is Robert. Well what we've learned is that it has been transferred to <hes> the major case slash cold case squad with a new detective and a new prosecutor who's now in charge of the case <hes> we have not seen any sign of progress in the last three years <hes> no no suspects have been identified. No arrests have been made <hes> DENVER signs. The former prosecutor says the cops and she were always convinced related to <hes> the string of robberies armed robberies in the neighborhood much much of it linked to drug dealing activity in a nearby housing project. <hes> Joel Rich says that he's talked to the deck detective and Prosecutor recently and they've told them that they are still actively investigating they talk talk about the case every day and so you know <hes> we will see whether they can make that breakdown <hes> Michael isikoff Yahoo News. That's where people can find podcast on Yahoo News Right Michael yes or on apple podcast acids called conspiracy land. You can download it anywhere. Wherever you get your podcasts Michael Scott thanks very much just ahead of serious storm hitting New Orleans could become a hurricane flash flooding has already hit some neighborhoods? We'll love details on that very latest. As we continue in a moment will have the latest on flooding in New Orleans but first Chris joins US coming up on Komo prime time Chris would he got so here the names I have tonight I have have Klobuchar. I have Coochie neely I have Ranga I have uber and I have urban and if you look at them the way I listed them. Those are waves of immigrants that came into this country and I'm going to be talking to them all tonight about the waves of immigrants. We're dealing with now and still doing poorly. What does each perspective? Nobody wants to be our president. What would she do Cuccia Elliot's in charge of caring for these people now for this administration? What does he see? We're going to do all of that and we're going to do the next layer on Epstein the way I'm looking at it tonight. Coupe is you gotta see this story as a human trafficking story not just about the rich and the powerful because human trafficking. I did a documentary on it here for Sister Network H. L. N.. It's a bigger problem than we even understand and that's why it shouldn't be ignored. In this case aren't Chris. I look forward to a couple minutes from now. See then we'll be right back with the latest details from New Orleans on the storm that is approaching the water's rising could get quite a bit worse. We'll have full details ahead. New Orleans is on alert tonight. The first tropical system to slam the U._S. is expected to hit the city as it moves in the Gulf of Mexico. The mayor has already declared a state of emergency. There's already flooding from the storm. According to the National Hurricane Center it could make landfall as a category two hurricane by Saturday Evening Linger Dumping Steady Rain in an area. That's already seen some serious flash flooding as you can tell Louisiana's governor has declared a statewide emergencies. He's that says that ten to fifteen inches of rain could fall within twenty four hours. We'll watch that carefully. 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S3 [2} JEFFREY EPSTEIN (Part 2)

"Certain voices in this podcast have been altered to protect privacy welcome to season three of what really happened executive produced by I seven bucks productions dwayne Johnson Danny Garcia and Brian Goertz in association with cadence thirteen. It's written and hosted by me. Andrew Jenks and you you can follow me on twitter or Instagram at Andrew Jenks. I just wanted to touch base with you. In reference to a case they settled investigating Volvo Mr Epstein last time on what really happened. Everyone is heard about Jeffrey Epstein and the crimes committed against girls and young women. Not everyone is heard that back in two thousand five the local police detective was on the case his name Detective Joseph for carry as I go through police files phone calls and interview videos from the case. It's easy to see that Joe Rick Perry was is leading the investigation and as the months went by he was accumulating evidence the with the president and every time the detective speaks with one girl or young woman. It seems he then hears here's about more people he should be talking to to be truthful with mad dog all go back to the EPA thing okay the victim and so he keeps driving around Palm Beach asking questions and listening in my mind mm-hmm. When did you know that you will go over there for the purpose of giving massage. He knows he's being followed by. epsteins steen's people but were carry his relentless. I'm telling you you are not in any way shape before my main concern. Obviously Ashley is the girls come over to work for him. This is an account of the original investigation into Jeffrey Epstein. The detective give who just kept going and the chief of police who had his officers back. It is the story of a monster who died in jail leaving a slew of conspiracy theories which are endlessly debated. Is there merit to any of them. This is the journey of dozens of girls and young women many of whom fought back against Epstein and his co-conspirators hoping for Justice January two thousand six in the investigation into Jeffrey obscene began over a year ago chief of police Michael Ryder Detective Joseph for Kerry are beginning to turn in over all of the evidence to the State Attorney's office the State Attorney during this time is Berry Krisher in other areas. He would be the equivalent to the district attorney. Barry Krisher is now in charge of using all the evidence the police have compiled and putting Epstein where he belongs locked behind behind bars. It's important to remember everything detective or carry and his team have managed to put together. They found damning messages when rating epsteins Home mm-hmm they spoke with five victims seventeen witnesses the identified forty seven girls who'd been molested by Epstein they did surveillance and had telephone telephone records and flight records that matched with the victims accounts chief writer and detective carry were also feeling confident because chief rider new State Attorney Berry Krisher was on his side writer said I had known Berry Krisher to be a victim advocate and to protect the rights of of children well. I know that even wrote a portion of the statute that addresses those issues and when I told him as in Berry Krisher originally he said let's go for it. This is an adult male in his fifties who's had sexual contact with children of the ages of the victims. He said this is somebody who we have to stop. Stop in addition to what chief of Police Michael Writer said Berry Krisher had a great reputation. He was known nationally finally in fact first prosecution of juvenile offenders. He'd received numerous awards including a lifetime achievement award given by then Governor Jeb Bush for for Christie's work with victims of family violence not only that but Berry Krisher didn't shy away from the rich and powerful Krisher was part of an investigation instigation into rush limbaugh by any measure Berry Krisher was perfect to prosecute this case but and and this is key something strange was happening. Krisher slowly began communicating less and less with chief writer and detective Rick Perry writer would later say so when time went on and Mr Epstein became aware of the investigation and his epsteins lawyers contacted the the state attorney's office from that point on and I believe it was Mr Dershowitz one of his lawyers initially the tone and tenor of the discussions of this case with with Mr Krisher changed completely writer continued Krisher just completely changed from not only our first conversation about this when he didn't know the name Jeffrey Epstein to when he had been informed on Mr epsteins reputation and his wealth and I just thought that was very unusual something something or someone seemed to have gotten to Krisher or maybe maybe was chief writer just being over sensitive to the case he and detective over carry had built April two thousand six suddenly a turning point now. It seems clear chief. frighter was correct in knowing something was off. Berry Krisher opted to not take Epstein to trial instead he wanted to first get approval for an arrest by convening a grand jury as reported by Tim Malloy and his colleagues in filthy rich. This was highly unusual not damning in and of itself but very strange in Florida grand juries are only required in capital cases at the state attorney's discretion listen they may also be called in controversial cases for instance cases involving crimes committed by public officials but Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a public look official and as far as the Palm Beach. PD was concerned. The only controversial thing about the case they built was Epstein was rich and well connected and so I ask was Krisher being bullied by epsteins lawyers similar to what chief writer and detective or carry were experiencing Epstein Steen after all assembled a WHO's who of defense attorneys this included Jack Goldberger Gerald Left Court Alan Dershowitz and Ken Starr all had relationships with people in high places and they were aggressive time and time again detective or carry is being reminded that Epstein people are trying to speak with anyone re carriers talking to as he notes in this conversation with the victim private investigators out there talking to people and you know trying to find out you know people walk through Cetera. the of the you get a phone call with this in mind. The aggressive private investigators the lawyers looking for dirt on anyone. It's worth noting that state eight attorney. Krisher had also been accused of sexual misconduct in Nineteen ninety-two the case went to federal court and this is also vital it was dismissed. Missed Krisher was found of no wrongdoing but it's clear epsteins. Legal Team weren't using facts to get to people they were okay. Ah Using smear campaigns truth was something that got in their way. They had the power to ignore the truth. If Jeffrey Epstein's team was following detective differ carry and going through his trash looking for anything that could embarrass them. I think they likely would be perfectly fine. Bringing up old accusations even if proven untrue Epstein seemed to have dirt on everyone. I re read a declaration from Virginia Jew Free Three who recounted her time with Epstein while she was a teenager part of her experience reads as follows and demonstrates that Epstein and his Co Conspirator Lane Leanne Maxwell had an obsession with getting incriminating information on other people. Epstein and Maxwell also told me that they wanted me to produce information for them in addition to performing sex on the men. They told me to pay attention to the details about what the men wanted so that I could report back to them. She added in addition to constantly finding finding underage girls to satisfy personal desires. Epstein Maxwell also got girls for epsteins friends and acquaintances. Epstein specifically told me that the reason reasons for him. Doing this was so that they would quote owe him. They would quote be in his pocket and he would quote have something on them. I am understood that Epstein thought that he could get leniency if he was ever caught doing anything illegal or that he could escape trouble altogether. Detective prefer carry the Queen's native tries reaching out to Christie's office to see what's going on but call after call and message after message goes unanswered ric carry also discovers at least one victim had tried reaching out to the state attorney's office but heard nothing in return when when detective Rick Perry calls to ask when victims should be reporting for grand jury testimony. His call isn't returned so what is going on. Why were they not talking after all it is common for the police to work with the State Attorney's office and the police have proof the prosecution needs. May I two thousand six chief. Writer has had enough. He takes a daring approach. He writes a letter to bury Krisher with the Palm Beach police departments letterhead. He essentially calls Krisher out saying in part. It is regrettable that I am forced to communicate in this manner but my most recent telephone calls to you and those of the lead detective to your assigned attorneys have been unanswered and messages remain unreturned after giving this much thought and consideration. I must urge you to examine the unusual course that your office's handling of this matter has taken and consider if good good and such efficient reasons exist to require your disqualification from the prosecution of these cases the Palm Beach Police. Li's force were proud of their boss said former officer. Kirk blue in wanted chief wrote a letter to the bench state attorney asking him to recuse himself himself from the case because of the highly unusual matter in this how this is being handled by their office. Obviously I was very proud moment. food food department and I was proud that he did the right. Thanks I know how difficult that can be in you know when he APPs high high profile trial in the private investigators fallen heroes Nick agent and he did what was right but despite chief riders letter nothing changes changes the grand jury commences with Berry Krisher as the prosecutor. Only one girl is called to talk in front of the grand jury. This is after the police have identified forty seven girls. This girl never speaks to the prosecutors beforehand. There is no prep no guidance silence from Krisher instead the prosecution begins accusing her of all sorts of things said Tim Malloy it was like the prosecution was was working for Epstein. The victim's father would add all this time. We knew that we were being watched. Creepy guys private investigators indicators from Miami they would follow US scaring the hell out of my wife and my daughters sister. My car was vandalized. It was like living in hell once again. EPSTEINS team was launching a brutal intimidation campaign against anyone that would try standing up to Epstein late July two thousand six. The police investigation began about one year and four months ago the police force wanted wanted to charge Jeffrey Epstein with one count of Lewd and lascivious behavior and four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor. If convicted convicted Epstein would spend years behind bars some of those who helped Epstein recruit girls co-conspirators like Elaine Maxwell would also be charged by comparison as reported by the authors of Filthy Rich. There was a two thousand thirteen case involving Scott Blake. He was a forty seven eighteen year old middle school principal from Palm Beach Gardens. He sent sexually charged messages to a police officer who is pretending to be a fifteen year. Old Boy Blake was sentenced to ten years in prison and ten years of probation after pleading guilty to one charge of soliciting sex with a minor the grand jury announces they have reached a verdict and it is shocking. The verdict is even more lenient than the original plea deal Krisher was offered. They recommend that they're just be one count of solicitation of prostitution. There is no mention that the girl who did speak was a minor much less mention all all of the other miners who Epstein Preyed Upon Epstein surrenders on the weekend when there's no press around he's in jail for a few hours and then released based on three thousand dollars bail it is an embarrassment for the criminal justice system a representation as to the length bad people can get away with bad things things if they have money and an indictment on how certain members of the government were not looking out for their own not even children and the police. Li's force can't believe it writers outraged. He can't believe the injustice done to these girls and their families writer decides he should at least let them I know of the injustice and that he won't give up even though it seems out of his hands at this point. He writes a letter to the families. Which says I I do not feel that justice has been sufficiently served by the indictment that has been issued. He delivers each letter by hand and chief. Kreider isn't done the letter he writes to the parents of the victims includes another detail he is taking another bold and extremely unusual step up he has reached out to the FBI to tell them something is wrong. Since chief rider I took the bold step to bring the case to the FBI it is now in the hands of Alex Costa at the time the United States attorney for the Southern District of Florida and the cost of gets involved. He begins meeting with epsteins. Lawyers September twenty fourth two thousand seven exactly two few months after chief rider hand-delivered that letter to the victim's parents letting them know he had taken the case to the FBI Epstein signs a document pleading guilty see to two felony prostitution charges he also registered as a sex offender and is ordered to restitution to three dozen victims identified by the F. B. I. Is Sentenced to eighteen months in prison but Epstein has also granted work release meaning while L. in jail he can go to three places for up to sixteen hours a day six days a week the three places he can go to his lawyer's office another office where he started a Science Foundation and get this his house the same house where so many girls would come over a young woman priscilla dough recently reported in a complaint filed with the government that when Epstein went to jail for sex offenses in Florida he maintained contact with plaintiff that is Priscilla it continues saying that Priscilla was flown to Florida quote in order to engage in commercial sex with Epstein in his Florida residence while on so-called work released from jail while he was still wearing his ankle monitor with st now behind bars all be at hardly Aleksic Costas stopped the investigation the FBI had compiled a fifty three page indictment but this is like so much other evidence in this case vanished fifty three pages of material outlining epsteins crimes gone. There was also in non-prosecution agreement signed. This is also extremely unusual. It meant once again. None of the victims were informed. This violated a federal law. The Crimes Victims Rights Act which states that victims of federal crimes have rights including the right to be heard in court and most particularly we not to be precluded from core proceedings and the right to be treated fairly everyone was getting away with crimes and the only ones who were made to feel like criminals were the victims in addition to Epstein getting away with a slap on the wrist. There was epsteins co-conspirators. The agreement even stated if Epstein successfully fulfils all of the terms and conditions of this agreement the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal mental charges against any potential co conspirators of Epstein. This confused me the best analogy I can think of would be imagine if five people will beat someone up so badly that person nearly dies and the main attacker says okay. I did it but all I really did was slightly pushed. This person the government agrees that's all he has to plead guilty to a push and because of this agreement the four others don't even have to go to trial their names never even disclosed you never know who they are and not only that but as it turns out it may be more than five people could be six. It could be seven. It could be dozens so how does that work. I spoke with a former. US Attorney Barbara mcquade one of the provisions in the plea agreement that I think lends itself some of these conspiracy theories also is a very unusual provision that provided for immunity unity for any potential co conspirators in conspirators could be anyone who patronized the victims for sex so you know that has lent itself elfed this conspiracy theory that perhaps there is someone who is very wealthy and powerful has been toying these lawyers and maybe even enough Mr Kosta to persuade persuade him to include that provision of back down at this point the Palm Beach Police had gone to the FBI. They went as far as they could good impeding for someone to listen to these victims it was now a dead end April twenty eighth two thousand seventeen gene after being a US attorney. Alex Costas was appointed the position of Secretary of Labor this big time job put him under the spotlight highlight just about seven months later in November two thousand seventeen the Miami Herald Julie Brown writes a series of articles shining running late on epsteins crimes. She speaks with the victims and survivors and these women are bold telling their stories on the record Brown's entry point to you. Her story was Alex Kosta and questions over the deal. He struck with EPSTEINS team with renewed interest. The public correction unit of the Southern District District of New York begins investigating July six. Two Thousand Nineteen epsteins arrested is denied bond suddenly unle there's more pressure for cost to to answer what had happened four days after the arrest a cost to hold a press conference to try and squash any potential oh mishandling mainly. He tries to blame. Berry crushers office a cost of says that if it weren't for him a cost to Epstein would have never gone to jail but he couldn't seem to answer this question in the press conference. Why didn't you just keep investigate so the victims of which we were aware were part of this and and under the agreement in the Southern District of Florida the investigation ceased and they had the opportunity to proceed civilly. He doesn't answer the question if you'd like to see the video in full it's on C. Span Dot Com and that clip continues at the twenty seven minute mark said former US attorney Barbara mcquade so if Mr Pasta with dissatisfied with what the county prosecutor was doing he could have just let him do his own thing. plead him to the soliciting a prostitute you charge and then still continue with his own case which no doubt would have created exposure of many years in prison a cost his press conference didn't in quell the questions surrounding the deal. He made a cost a eventually resigned so what happened I think and this is just opinion that Alex Kosta was told from higher powers to go easy on Epstein. I think Epstein did have the goods on people in power and if you think that's a conspiracy spiracy theory I'm okay with that sometimes not usually but sometimes conspiracy theories are right after all it was during the same time two thousand six in in two thousand seven that the truth came out about how former NFL player and soldier Pat Tillman had died. What was a conspiracy theory turned into into a cover up by the United States government surprisingly when I watched that accost a press conference he never answered a question about people in higher positions. He's telling him not to prosecute the case at the. Oj told you order you can cut it. You Jeffrey his his attorneys. certainly filed several appeals with main justice. I will again restate when the career attorneys met with him. They presented certain terms and the office. Stay true to those terms throughout note. He didn't answer the question since then both Krisher Krisher and a cost to have blamed each other a cost of said Krisher dropped the ball but Christopher said it costs. It didn't have to rely on him which is true. Barbara Barbara mcquade said it could also be it may simply be being out being out resourced I don't know the Mr Kosta had been a prosecutor before becoming. US Attorney maybe he felt intimidated by a vigorous defend in my opinion and from my research it seems clear a cost an Krisher couldn't handle the bullies or were simply outmatched any acids true they were dealing with the Dream Team of bullies but so is chief of Police Elise Michael Ryder and detective Joseph Ra- carry they would not be intimidated. The following has been largely really overlooked on July tenth two thousand Nineteen Alexander Costas gave that press conference defending his actions but I discovered that Secretary Costa had also written a letter trying to defend himself on March Twentieth Two thousand eleven which should knowledge just what chief writer and his team had done the cost of rights local police were dissatisfied with the State Attorney's conclusions and requested a federal investigation federal authorities forties received the state's evidence and engaged in additional investigation. This is proof that cost had only sought out this investigation after after writer and his team asked him to do so it's an extraordinary testament to the resolve of the Palm Beach Police but it's also sad because because of cost and his team didn't continue the investigation into Epstein in fairness they at least put up steam behind bars albeit for a very limited period period of time and on this work release program. This is nothing compared to what sex offenders like Epstein or normally sentenced to in August tenth two thousand nineteen after just over one month in Jail Jail Epstein dies. How he died has been the topic of much speculation? Was it suicide or was. He killed old. Is there a chance someone Epstein had secrets on wanted him dead and paid someone off to do the deed after all so many of the girls and when young women who have talked spoke about how many Secrets Epstein did have on people in power also prisoners. I've spoken with and this isn't some huge secret. You say pedophile are more likely to be hurt or killed in prison than murderers. So how hard could it be to kill a pedophile who people with power orgy want dead people who could easily afford to pay off someone with huge sums of money. If I were to play the ultimate skeptic I came up with six points surrounding his suicide that lead me to question if it was in fact suicide some are more convincing than others one guards who were supposed to be checking in on Epstein falsified documents since they were actually not checking in on Epstein every thirty minutes instead. They were sleeping uh and failed to check on him for three hours. How do you fall asleep when watching over one of the most wanted prisoners in America to Epstein was taken off of Suicide Watch when it seems he had tried to kill himself only six days prior three Epstein cellmate who who would have likely stopped Epstein from committing suicide or yell for help had been moved to another cell so it was just Epstein alone the New York Times reported reported that this violated the jails procedures for the autopsy the Washington Post reported among the bones broken and epsteins up scenes neck was a high owed bone which in men is near the Adam's apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves particularly if they are older according to forensics experts and studies on the subject but they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation. The experts said five Epstein's death came just a day after thousands of court documents from a previous lawsuit were released which implicated several Israel powerful men including Prince Andrew Billionaire Glenn Dubin and former Governor Bill Richardson there have been reports recently that the names of many more men will soon be released six and this one is a big according to the Washington Post at least one camera in the hallway outside. The cell were authorities. Say registered sex offender. Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself earlier. This month had footage that is unusable. Although other clearer footage bridge was captured in the area so this leads most including me to wonder where is that footage reports that I said that both were damaged to summarize. We are led to believe that the guards fell asleep knowing they had one of the most wanted prisoners in the country. Epstein was quickly taken off of suicide. Watch only days after attempting suicide. Epstein cellmate changed cells which is against policy because it left Epstein alone in his cell. The the autopsy wasn't totally conclusive. Disturbing information on powerful people came out the day before and there's a chance the cameras taping Epstein Happen to not be working at the time of his death this seemed like an Ocean's eleven style operation to kill Jeffrey Epstein but I read an article whole questioning conspiracy theories surrounding Epstein's death. It was written by rolling stone journalist. EJ Dixon. I listed for her those six points. That makes me skeptical. This was suicide. Yeah I mean I think I think that everybody absolutely has right to be skeptical. Many of points joins that you just brought up. are certainly worthy of sufficient and are certainly worthy of gets. It wasn't so much they shouldn't be skeptical as it was that the people who have traditionally been in the position of being institutional gatekeepers the people who have traditionally been tasked after the fact and sticking to reason and sticking to the line well. Let's wait until all the evidence emerges and wait till all the facts come out. Come up ogling and from there the people who are doing that. That's a really important job and then when it came to abstain a lot of those people fail at that out of that very important. The job opposed to sticking facts. EJ points out how some in the mainstream press did something else. I thought so many very esteemed very high profile public figures Thornton using the language of conspiracy theory and so so quickly to I think a good example is Joe. Scarborough who is a very highly public figure. You know the host the morning show and was on twitter you know actively sort of engaging in the idea that in may have been murdered and engaging in the speculation and that is not something thing. I I think it's pretty common after a big news event or you know in in a shocking very lurid news story like this sort of the speculation and conspiracy theorizing run rampant on twitter but I think it's fairly rare because the hysterically theories being localized localized by people who are offensively you know the gatekeeper defensively the people who are doing who are in charge of the oversight sensibly of the people who you would not expect to see partaking in that sort of unfounded speculation in her article. EJ brings up a Washington Post reporter who tweeted people close to Epstein fear. He was murdered murdered. He was described as being good spirits. In recent days. The tweet went viral as it currently has nearly ten thousand retweets and over fifteen eighteen thousand likes it hints that there is in fact a cover up so I think for those reasons sorting the failure of the news media media. There's sort of gut check and it'd be like okay. Let's just stick to the fact that support on what we know. and let's wait till all the information comes out before we jump to conclusion I I think it was a really significant failure in that regard and I think it's GonNa have implications and continue to have implications for the coverage of his death. Kathan coverage of the tapes to come Egypt explains how Epstein's death and ensuing coverage of his death is typical of how conspiracy theories are formed. Seriously theories are basically what results when we don't have any information about a given subject and we have no ability to verify any of the explanations that we have for the given subject and there's no way to SORTA affectively regulate the speculation and the fear thing that arise from talking about that subject those three factors together create the perfect conditions for conspiracy theory thrive if you ask me. Epstein died by suicide. If you told me someone had him killed it wouldn't shock me but facts are stubborn thing and there aren't enough facts that prove someone killed him. I'd rather we don't live in a world where speculation supersedes facts. Epstein's death happened about fourteen years after the Palm Beach Police. I got that phone call from a parent saying their child had been molested by Epstein. Steen earlier this year on that day. Epstein was arrested and put behind bars for good. One individual was not around to see it. Uh on Saturday June second two thousand eighteen over one year ago a funeral was held at Saint Rita's Catholic Church in Florida detective Joseph for Kerry had died in May because of sleep apnea. He was fifty years old said Palm Beach reporter Tim Malloy. He was elite detective on this thing and if you look at all the video depositions he did it hand all the interest of the girls. She was the guy that got Epstein. I think probably took a lot out of Enjo- never got got to see the end result of the detective Joe Rick Perry did everything he could my main concern obviously he is the girls that come over toward for him naked in your sixteen. Those are all the calls that I've never those goals brought other girls to shrink a lot of you what you can be Rafer he did. Maybe you could put himself inside you without permission that that is a crime. That's where I'm originally from Queens. Oh all right ride the magic carpet detective or carry didn't live to see Epstein receive real justice opposed to just the bizarre and brief experience he had signed bars in Florida but detective for carry the kid from the outskirts skirts of Manhattan just like Epstein made a game changing difference in ensuring the Real Jeffrey Epstein was brought to Justice Carrie gave journalists foundation to build upon he did not let private investigators lawyers or Epstein himself bully him. He is survived by his wife four kids and both of his parents. This is a story about a group of girls and young women who I needed help. It's about a police officer who spent over one year collecting loads of evidence only to be shut down by his own government but even when detective Joseph for Kerry passed away the victims would not be silenced. This is a story about people who dare to seek the truth. People who are willing to put their life on the line and people who are not neither is an easy choice to make next week on what really happened only months ago the head of the Gambino family was shot several times and killed people thought it could mean a mob war godfather style but as it turns out the shooter had other shocking motivations. If you like the podcast I humbly ask you to subscribe rate and review it actually can make a big difference as for any other feedback you can reach out to me on twitter instagram facebook. Ad Andrew Jenks or go to jinx pod DOT COM for more information on the sources for this podcast.

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Day 671: Chief Justice Roberts issues rare statement contradicting Trump

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

43:47 min | 2 years ago

Day 671: Chief Justice Roberts issues rare statement contradicting Trump

"Tonight. A rare and stunning statement from the chief Justice of the United States. Precourt court contradicting the president John Roberts comes out in defensive federal judges in the wake of Trump's criticism and the president answers back tonight. We'll ask a man who appeared before the Roberts court thirty seven times why he thinks the chief Justice took this extraordinary step and Rudy Giuliani is talking again tonight sharing details about Trump's written answers to Muller as we await a big deadline with the special counsel and Paul Manafort, all of it. As the eleventh hour gets underway on this thanksgiving eve. Well, good evening. Once again from our NBC news headquarters here in New York day, six seven one of the Trump administration and on this thanksgiving eve in the new normal. Our president today gave thanks to Saudi Arabia and was publicly rebuked by the chief Justice of the supreme court for his attack on the federal bench today. Chief Justice John Roberts, took the very rare step of speaking up publicly to discount the words of the president. This got it start yesterday after a federal trial judge in San Francisco ruled against the president's immigration and asylum policy. The president used that moment to return to a favorite hobbyhorse of his criticizing the ninth circuit court of appeals headquartered in California. Well, you go to the ninth circuit. And it's a disgrace that I'm going to put it in a major complaint because you cannot win if you're us a case in the ninth circuit every case that gets filed in the ninth circuit we get beaten. And then we ended up having to go to the supreme court like the travel ban, and we won the ninth circuit. We're gotta have to look at that. This was an Obama judge. And I'll tell you what it's not gonna happen like this anymore. It is true that the federal judge in this case John tiger was appointed by President Obama. It is also true that his ruling was not issued from the ninth circuit. But that from the president was all the chief Justice of the supreme court needed to hear when asked about it by the Associated Press. John Roberts responded today with this. We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges Bush judges or Clinton judges what we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing there. Level best to do equal right to those appearing before them that independent judiciary is something we should all be thankful for a few hours later, Trump fired back and we quote sorry chief Justice Roberts. But you do indeed have Obama judges, and they have a much different point of view than the people who are charged with the safety of our country. It would be great if the ninth circuit was indeed and independent judiciary. But if it is why are so many opposing view on border and safety cases filed there and wire a vast number of those cases overturned, please study the numbers there shocking. We need protection and security. These rulings are making our country unsafe very dangerous and unwise, the president continued to be Ray Roberts on Twitter at in quote judicial activism by people who know nothing about security and the safety of our citizens is putting our country in great danger. Followed by seventy nine percent of these decisions have been overturned in the ninth circuit the US courts for the ninth circuit covers the far western part of our nation. They are not the circuit with the most overturned decisions. Several others make the list before them. This is not the president's first criticism of federal judges or the sitting chief Justice of the United States. The courts are not helping us have to be honest with ridiculous. Somebody said, I should not criticize judge is. Okay. I'll criticize judges. I have had horrible rulings. I've been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now this judges of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall Justice Roberts gave us ObamaCare might as well be called Roberts care that judge has been a disaster. In terms of everything we stand for this back and forth between the titular heads of two of our branches of government comes as the Muller investigation into this administration is entering as we like to say, a critical phase more indictments are expected. And then there is the possibility that Muller could subpoena Trump to answer questions related to obstruction that could spark a giant legal battle that could very well end up. See how this works before John Roberts and the other eight justices of the supreme court the nation also woke up to headlines like these after the president yesterday. Day defended Saudi Arabia in the murder and dismemberment of Washington Post, journalist and US resident Jamal kashogi this morning. The president followed with this oil prices getting lower great like a big tax cut for America and the world. Enjoy fifty four dollars was just eighty two dollars. Thank you to Saudi Arabia. But let's go lower. Well, let's go lower ourselves. And with that back to our lead story we start off tonight with the president's criticism of federal judges. And this rare rebuke by the chief Justice, we are so fortunate to be joined tonight by lawyer who has argued thirty seven cases before the Roberts court attorney Neil Caccia was formerly the government's top lawyer before the court has acting solicitor general under the Obama presidency. He is now a professor of law at Georgetown University. He's been kind enough on thanksgiving eve to join us by telephone and counselor. What do you fear is gone? On here. Well, happy thanksgiving, Brian. It's pleasure to be retire. Again in what I fear is going on. Fortunately, here this is not actually about the ninth circuit. We'll camin President Trump has criticized Roberts and criticize other judges all the time and your setup at some of that. But you know, he tweeted, I just put three tweeted this on Twitter on my Twitter comedy set. Quote. Congratulations to John Roberts for making Americans hate to supreme court because of his b s and quote, so you know, Trump has a long history of that. We don't have a history of president attacking the motivations of judges. That's something new and different. And I think what's going on here is it's not about the ninth circuit. It's really about this president's modus operandi, which is to criticize any check and balance on him. We've seen it with the media repeatedly. You know, the case, but also all sorts of things we seen the with the Justice department and FBI where he's actually fired the head. Those because they weren't sufficiently doing his bidding in the like. And this is just up a peace with that. While I can't believe we're talking this way. Here we are in twenty eighteen your argument has been taken already today to its logical conclusion that in the hypothetical case called US V. Trump comes before the supreme court. Your point is I presume that the president will have soiled the notion of supreme court justices the federal bench as all agents of politics. Exactly. So, you know. Do you want to practice before the court knows these justices are going to make the decisions they make based on the law, but they're not gonna do it based on their antipathy towards a particular person. So no matter how much Donald Trump says all this stuff. I don't think it's going to matter to the ultimate decision. But the president has taken so many ridiculously low positions. It's a fair bet that this supreme court is going to say no to him on some things. And what I think President Trump is doing right now is laying the groundwork for an attack on the institution of the supreme court and attack on the institution of an independent judiciary. And so when he loses he'll be able to say, oh, it's just those bias judges. They were upset with what I said what I tweeted they were upset politically who knows. But you know, that's the danger when you have something like this. And that's why presidents have really not crossed this red line before in our closing seconds with you. I don't want to take you into dangerous territory, but let's talk about his two appointments to the court. Gorsuch and Cavanaugh, you know, he considers them quote, his guys. And yet is it your view that if it comes to it if they sit for a case involving the guy who just sent them on the supreme court. They will side with reason, and perhaps the majority that the chief will want that's the tradition that the court. So for example, just as cake and was put on the court by Obama. But in our first year, cheap Oded to strike down a big piece of President Obama's ObamaCare initiative. So that's the way judges normally operate. We saw best this week because who voted on the cost of case to say Trump, you're wrong CNN and accustomed you're absolutely right. It was a Trump appointed judge. That's the way judges work. That's the way they always have worked in what the president is doing is despicable and dangerous. Neil cut y'all are thanks for joining us by telephone tonight on short notice happy thanksgiving to you and your family and with that let's bring in our leadoff panel on. What is after all Wednesday night broadcast. Robert Costa, national political reporter for the Washington Post moderator of Washington week on PBS, John Heilmann, national affairs analyst around here is also co author of game change and co host of the circus on Showtime, and Maya widely is back with us. A former assistant US attorney for the southern district of New York. Currently a professor at the new school here in New York. Good evening and welcome to you, all Mr. Kosta, you get to go. First described the scene as it's been described to you tonight at mar-a-lago. Talking to White House officials in confidants of President Trump. It's clear that the president is isolated down there tomorrow Lago isolated for many of his cabinet officials too many of his advisors. He's in a social setting. He's playing golf he's on Twitter. He's getting reports of different things in the news, different statements being made by the supreme court chief Justice, and this is a president who's navigating the break largely on his own and that is making many in his circle a tad nervous tonight more than nervous some of them about the norms. He continues to shatter hour by hour, Maya let's talk about those norms. This was difficult day for a lot of people to watch. On one side, you have people in the members of the public who saw Bush versus gore and saw in their view, the presidency being awarded to George W Bush by members of the supreme court on the other side. However, you have this attack on the federal judiciary in such a way where a president could say, look, I told you these are political animals. These are. I mean, this is this is historic in the negative, right? This is like the the low a country is hit because this is not just a president who continuously as Neil said continuously attacks the independence of the judiciary. He consistently attacks the independence of any institution that suggests he can't do whatever he wants when he wants, you know, the judge in this case judge tiger in this case has a federal statute that he read the plain language of that said, no actually when people come into this. They can come into the country and seek asylum. Right. And there's nothing in the statute that requires them to walk into a particular door. So you don't get to just ignore the federal statute that congress path. This is like constitution one a one right branches of government. You don't get to just ignore the word of the congress and judge. Judges don't get to ignore. What is an obvious and in everyday person reading of the statute? But remember that Donald Trump not only did he like set us up and set the supreme court up. The supreme court has been bending over backwards to remind Americans that they're they are going to work together. Even though we had the Brett Cavanaugh hearings that they are going to see each other as co equals. And peers whose job is to be neutral. They have been bending over backwards in the past weeks for that. We now have a president who has spit on that yet again, this is also a president who has literally said first time in sixty five years, I am going to ignore the American Bar Association. The nonpartisan neutral arbiter of who is qualified to sit on the bench. No other president has done this of any party and say, I'm going to ignore. For whether or not they deem a candidate for the bench qualified that is an incredible love, John. We've just heard from two people Neil caught y'all in my Wiley who have spent their adult lives in the law. This is an emotional topic. John Roberts has also spent his adult life in the law, perhaps at a higher level there's taciturn and then there's John Roberts. What did it? Take for John Roberts to do. What he did do? It's a really good question. Brian. I think that one of the things you that, you know, about John Roberts, and you could see it in the ObamaCare decision and on the basis of by reporting during the cavenaugh hearings. There was a lot of concern. His institutional ISM is what I'm getting to. He's 'institutionalised foremost. He's conservative, no doubt. But a conservative institutions who cares about the integrity of the court, the viability of the court and the perception of the court and its role in public life. Well, lot of that was on his mind when he ended up siding with the side that he was not quote supposed to side with according to partisans when it came to the President Obama's Affordable Care Act rule. And I think according to my reporting he's been extraordinarily concerned throughout the cavenaugh hearings of what that process was doing to the image of the court. What it would mean to have judge capital on the court not that he dispute disapproved of him personally or have you about that? But that had become so partisan. And in fact, the judge Cavanaugh had become so partisan response to what he saw as partisan attacks that the chief Justice has been very worried and has been very word throughout Trump's time in office. But particularly in these last months, it took a lot all of that worry coming into focus against the backdrop of his deep and profound care and concern for the court for him to accept on say this. It's not unusual for Donald Trump to say intemperate things. It's not a unusual for Donald Trump rebuke, anyone it is very unusual for any chief Justice. But this chief Justice in particular to decide I've had enough, and I've got a throw a little bit of brushback pitcher to this president and to your question Neil cardio. Donald Trump, and I'm thinking about potential rulings that this court might face. I'm looking down saying, well, I got the partisan advantage here. I would not want to pick a fight with this. Chief Justice someone who has more than just one vote has the the suasion and the role that a chief Justice has in a crucial essentially crucial rulings will affect all Trump directly. I'm not sure it's wise to pick a fight with him ongoing way and the great chiefs in big cases US against Nixon like a unanimous court. They ain't nothing nine nothing when they can, hey, Robert Costa. I note you're in Philly tonight, but your phone still works. So that that worry that John home and just talked about any Republicans who have names on ballot on Capitol Hill any of them share this worry. Republicans on Capitol Hill do share the worry about this kind of engagement with the chief Justice of the supreme court, but there's a different view Brian inside of the west wing. There was talk tonight. Among some of my top sources does the chief Justice really know what he's waited into here. He may be an institutional man trying to protect this institution and protect the reputation of the core. But President Trump does not see this as branch versus branch. He sees almost all things as political reputational warfare. And the president will be relentless if he feels Roberts is a foe. And continuing to attack the chief Justice not seeing it in the same through the same prism that the chief Justice does. So this is an untenable situation. Some White House sources say for the chief Justice because he can't respond in the same way. The president can on Twitter day in day out. You know, a normal times you would've answered that differently. And and quoted people speculating that the president may not fully grasp. What he is getting into locking horns in a fight with the chief Justice of the supreme court, as I know, you know, but these are the times we're living in Bob. That's exactly right, Brian. This is the political view of a White House. So White House. Unusually sees the court as a potential battleground battleground in politics, not just when it comes to judicial decisions. My this would give us some indication. Would it not of how the Trump White House would deal with subpoenas? Oh, we I think we know that they will fight subpoenas to the death. I think one of the things to go back to the point about chief Justice Roberts is between the two of them. Only. One of them has a lifetime appointment, and it is not Donald Trump. That is a great point. There's a life in the law firm you can on top of it on top of that. I understand what Bob is saying and people the White House or accurate reflecting the notion of the president thinks that in Amano Amano political fight where he has the megaphone and the other person is mute that he will win. I don't know what the evidence for that is. I mean, you look at Bob Muller right now who has a higher standing in American life between Bob Muller who was not. Spoken in the last two years does not engage with Trump word point. And he's not engaged with Donald Trump has managed to maintain his standing in talking about just his polling ending in his broader standing without having to engage at all. And and cases in some cases, having being having less of a megaphone. It turns out well, especially when the person with the megaphone is saying of of incendiary, and sometimes moronic things it's better to be a little CLYDE or sometimes these fights. I'm up against a commercial break. I'm going to award fifteen seconds to Mr. Kosta, and then fifteen seconds to MS Wiley, and that's got to be you. Very quickly. The timing. John mentioned is so critical. This comes right before Bob Muller likely issues, his report on the president's conduct. Its institutional Rosen from the White House across the board across our law in order system, and Maya. You know, the high ground wins were still America. This is still the greatest country on the planet and Trump has not sell lead us to the point where we will not choose the high ground a consequential day. So we chose these consequent consequential guests to talk us through it and one plug Robert Costa has a new broadcast of Washington week on Friday. He always works. He he does not observe any holidays that I can tell Robert Kosta, John Heilmann, Maya Wiley and Neil cut y'all before that. Thank you, happy thanksgiving to all and coming up for us new reporting on the president's on again off again plans to sit down with Robert Muller. His attorney tells NBC news it's time to put up or shut up. That's interesting and later oil prices drop on thanksgiving eve, president gives thanks to the Saudis as one does. We'll talk about that in a bad week for the markets was CNBC's Ron insana. We are just getting underway. This thanksgiving eve. Welcome back. Now, the Trump's legal team says it submitted his written answers to Robert Muller's questions a form of testimony that's been compared to a take home test. The president's lead lawyer is talking yet again Rudy Giuliani told our own Kristen Welker that molars questions dealt extensively with the relationship between the campaign and Russia. He said he doesn't see how they get a subpoena. Now that he expects to hear back from Muller toward the middle or end of next week Giuliani also talks to ax axios tonight. He said the Muller questionnaire, quote looked like a law school exam. He added he does not think Don, jR, will be indicted over the 2016 sixteen Trump Tower meeting, but the usual caveats are in effect tonight as this is Rudolph Giuliani's comments, which are subject to change. And tonight, the Associated Press has a look inside Trump's refusal to testify according to the report a date was set for Trump sit down with Muller January twenty. Seventh of this year at Camp David, but his lawyers called it off after learning about the topics to be covered. Trump still has not spoken directly to Muller's team. Of course. And with us tonight to talk about all of it Daniel Goldman back with us. A former assistant US attorney for the southern district of New York. Nancy cook returns to our broadcast White House reporter for political politico. I always do that. Daniel you're you're here in New York. So I'll give you hometown advantage. And the first question, do you believe any of what you just heard from Rudolph Giuliani? No, I don't well. I would say this. I mean, he made me write that there will not be a subpoena. But I do not think it is for the reasons that he says, which are that legally he'd have no basis for it. I think Momeni legal experts believe that Bob Muller would absolutely win that argument in in court. But it may just be that he doesn't want the fight. He doesn't want to drag it out, and if he can get enough from these questions in this unearth. Docs way of going about an investigation. Then maybe that is sufficient for him Nancy as a veteran journalist in Washington. What is the viewer's guide to Rudolph Giuliani? What what is the caveat anytime? He speaks. Well, I think that so much of what we've heard him say about this entire investigation has been to kind of money the waters to confuse people to the point where they're not really sure what the timeline is. With the timeframe is just make it all political. I think that he hasn't said he hasn't been the most reliable narrator as to what the president is actually thinking what their strategy has been. And so I don't necessarily take him at his word when he says, you know, this'll be wrapped up next week. There won't be a subpoena. You know, I think he's doing that to try to bring the American public on his side. I it's sort of a public campaign to win their support not so much to actually give us information about where the investigation stands. Daniel. I asked this warning for both our family. For there to be some rest and relaxation over the next few days with that caveat, what are you expecting next and how soon well, it's interesting, Brian. I was here with you Friday night. And we thought Friday would be a big night. Biggest reason we thought Friday would be is for me. At least is that the government the prosecutor's office special council agreed to extend a status report by ten days. So that they could provide the court with more information of greater significant Paul Manafort, he was sorry. It was in the Paul Manafort case, and that lead lead me to believe. Well, there's something that's going to be public between then and Monday, which is the end of the ten days, if you stick with me, I think I may see a little bit of where we're going here and how and why Bob Muller would have wanted to parse out or separate out the collusion questions to Donald Trump from the other questions related either to the transition period or to obstruction of Justice, which. Is that we know that there's a significant investigation into collusion during the campaign. Roger stone has been rumored to be on the indictment block for for some time. It may be that. Bob Muller wanted to wait to get Donald Trump's answers to the questions before unsealing an indictment related to collusion. So that the president could not Taylor his answers to the evidence which would be revealed in the indictment. So it still may be something that we see between now and Monday. I would guess it would be Monday since courts are closed tomorrow and Friday, but that may be part of why there's been a delay. I see what you did there. I followed that case. So nancy. This is a more federal question about anxiety anxiety in Washington, writ large and the west wing more locally does it rise or fall when the president boards, Air Force One and flies south tomorrow Lago days like this. I think it rises quite a bit. You know, I don't think people were terribly anxious this morning because he was playing golf and that keeps him occupied that keeps him out outside doing something that he loves I think that there's a lot of anxiety, though, when he goes tomorrow Lago, and he's interacting with friends business associates White House staff never know exactly who he's talking to there. There's a very small group of staff there as well with him. It's just much harder to control him to sort of get a sense of what he's seeing on Twitter. What he's watching. He's around his family. And this is a long stretch for that. So it's really going to be four or five days of him being able to do what he wants and consume the media he wants, and this is always. A real sense of anxiety a difficult moment for White House staff. You have to remember that he ended up firing Komi after one of these long weekends at Bedminster and so- weekends like this. As the president is facing the molar investigation thinking about a shuffling his cabinet produces a lot of anxiety for the point. And there are two kinds of guess, generally mar-a-lago paying guests and summoned guests, and we're going to have a mixture of both I imagine to Daniel Goldman to Nancy cook. Thank you, both so much for showing up and being part of our conversation, this thanksgiving eve, happy thanksgiving to you both and coming up, the president takes to social media to talk about traffic and weather just a normal Wednesday night in two thousand eighteen nothing to see here. We'll talk about it next. Saudi arabian. I get along. Great with all they buy apartments from me. They spend forty million fifty million. I supposed to dislike them, I like them very much. Then candidate Donald Trump more than three years ago talking up his business connections with the Saudis while on the campaign trail but yesterday while insisting he has no business deals with the Saudis, the president argued for sticking with them despite the brutal killing and dismemberment of Jamal kashogi of the Washington Post and reports that Trump zone CIA suspects. The crown prince was behind it as we mentioned earlier Trump continued trying to make the case today writing quote oil prices getting lower great like a big tax cut for America in the world. Enjoy fifty four dollars a barrel was just eighty two. Thank you to Saudi Arabia. But let's go lower the Washington Post succinctly summed up the president's analysis quote. The tweet was at best misleading and tonight kashogi old boss Washington Post publisher and chief executive Fred Ryan writes in a scathing piece in his paper a clear and dangerous. Message has been sent to tyrants around the world flash. Enough money in front of the president. Of the United States, and you can literally get away with murder that gets your attention for his part. Here's what's been on the your president's mind in Florida just tonight, and we quote, brutal and extended cold blast could shatter all records, whatever happened to global warming. And this you can't win with the fake news media big story today is that because I have pushed so hard and gotten capitalized gasoline prices. So low more people are driving, and I have caused traffic jams throughout our great nation. Sorry, everyone faced with all of that. We invited a friend of ours to join us on the air tonight, who's well well-versed in the world of financial journalism, and that is our friend CNBC contributor, run and sano. Let's start with the Saudis. First of all, welcome. It's good to see as well. Presidents quoting four hundred fifty million billion actually, many jobs. He's quoting he's worried that will. Lose the business to China and Russia, but they don't make any equivalent to the military hardware and systems the Saudis, you his insisted that we've sold them or they've agreed to purchase one hundred ten billion dollars worth of arms from the US. They've purchased fourteen and a half billion. So that's factually incorrect. He is suggested that they've been creating jobs in the United States. We have much bigger trading partners than Saudi Arabia. They're very much a blip on the radar street. I it's true that they by US treasury bonds, and they recycle their oil profits back in the US bonds on occasion or US real estate, but Canada, Mexico, China Europe, Japan all much much bigger players much bigger impact on the US economy where we have similar troubles with those nations. What you and I will pay at the pump for gasoline this weekend by how much to the Saudis dictate that almost zero. If you look at what's happening in the United States Bryant the fracking revolution for which the president. Now takes credit has been going on since about two thousand eight at one juncture in February of two thousand sixteen oil was lows twenty-six. Dollars and five cents a barrel. That was low enough to get fractures to stop because it was unprofitable to drill for oil the United States at that point the Saudis and the Russians the rest of OPEC drove the prices back up by cutting production. Our production has since exploded to twelve million barrels a day, we produce more than Saudi Arabia, we produce more than Russia. So we have the biggest increasing supply of oil. We have the biggest proven oil reserves underground in the world. We're the biggest player in the oil market, no place, where we've been since nineteen Seventy-three and with respect to imports who sends us the most oil from outside this country Canada. We get forty percent of our imports from Canada, not Saudi Arabia. That's eleven percent. By the way. I don't even know if we can use the word freker on late night. I think we can. Hey, I'm looking at economic headlines this week as an amateur follower of the market like everybody and I've seen headlines like market erases all the gains in twenty eighteen. But usually a good headline not usually good. Everyone has a favorite indicator. CNBC some people the sales of palettes wooden pallet business. Do you have one and what's it doing? And what does it say about the future? I have one in. It's a little bit in the weeds. It's the relationship we're looking it's the relationship of short term to long term interest rates elbow as the Federal Reserve is raising short rates and long term interest rates start to fall fearing a decline in inflation fearing the possible onset of recession. That's a warning sign the recession will come. So that so-called yield curve has flattened it's not sending a red of warning sign yet of impending recession. It may be telling us so that the economy's going to slow down next year, and that's also implicit in the stock market's behavior and also in the behavior of economically sensitive commodities. Copper. Oil some of the others Ron insana. What a pleasure how expandable you make it. All happy thanksgiving to you. And your great to see you and coming up for us. It's a holiday shortened shorten workweek yet. Once again, there's plenty to talk about with our friend, the author and presidential historian, Michael Beschloss who joins us after this. You don't think this was done by judge for political reasons to you know? This ruling makes us look weak, which by the way, we no longer are believe me. Donald Trump has been criticizing judges as a profession for years federal judges specifically for less than that this week. He's taking it to a whole new level with this skirmish involving none other than the chief Justice of the United States Supreme court his comments to Justice John Roberts. Chief Justice John Roberts came hours after the report that Trump had pressured an independent wing of our government to do his bidding you'll recall, according to the New York Times, Trump one of the Justice department to prosecute two of his political adversaries, Hillary Clinton and James Komi, whom he fired to help us make clear just how unusual this is. We are joined once again by the author and presidential historian, Michael Beschloss, his latest work essential reading, especially during these times is called presidents of war. It is available now wherever fine books are sold as they say. So Michael not that historians. Have a moment to jump off the train and do what you do best and assess but take just this week. How will we assess this reported attempt to use the Justice department to harm an adversary? And today this attempt to discredit the federal bench and chiefly the supreme court. Well, we've seen it president really trying to get Americans not to trust the judicial branch of our government. I never thought I would live to see this day, Brian. And also this unbelievable response from the chief Justice which shows how serious this was. And this was not John Roberts writing an article or making a comment to someone that was reported. He made a statement and delivered it to the Associated Press. You know, this was this was there to suggest how urgent he thought. The danger was that Donald Trump is beginning to break down the judicial branch. You just said that you never thought you'd live to see this day. You are not given to hyperbole. And so that has my attention, and that should worry all of us are in your view are institutions holding. Our institutions are holding in one of the ways that they're holding. There always has to be pushback. You know, thank God. There is a John Roberts pushing back and saying Mr President, you cannot do this. You're also saying members of congress responding to certain things that the president has done in a way that that perhaps they hadn't before Marco Rubio responded to responding to what Donald Trump said about the kashogi murderer and his absolution of Saudi Arabia. So you're beginning to see the checks and balances working, but they've got to work, and everyone has to be active, and I want to play something for you. This happened yesterday on the south lawn you and I are of a certain age that we are. We are full of conventional norms on the part of. Presidents you, and I are the type who read the thanksgiving proclamation that the New York Times gives a full-page to every year that the president issues as a matter. Of course, he was asked yesterday if he had a thanksgiving message to the active duty troops on our southern border. Here's his response. Oh, you don't worry about the thanksgiving these tough people. They know what they're doing. They're great. And they've done a great job. You so worried about the thanksgiving holiday for them. They are so proud to be representing our country on the border. So Michael fair to say, not quite the thanksgiving. Message to the troops that you and I grew up watching presidents. Give wasn't exactly ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Nor was it Ronald Reagan. I think and the other thing is that, you know, talking about breaking down institutions there are signs that he's also trying to break down the Pentagon. He's at these armed forces to our southern border to confront a threat. But by most accounts does not exist. These are noble soldiers. They should not be sent down for a political stunt that may be done for other reasons. Michael has agreed to spend a few more moments. This thanksgiving eve with us to do that. However, we must fit in a break and coming up. We'll talk about a somber anniversary on Thanksgiving Day. This year. Thanksgiving Day falls on November twenty second on our calendars, and in our minds tomorrow, of course, may be thanksgiving. But it also marks the fifty fifth anniversary of president John F Kennedy's assassination in Dallas, Texas. If you've been following Michael Beschloss Twitter feed today, we recommend that you do it every day. Then you know, he's been sharing some of the young presidents final moments. We see the Kennedy's as they arrived in Fort Worth Texas, Jack and Jackie we look behind them and realized that is the plane the seven oh seven that would eventually carry his casket back east. We had no way of knowing it then and fifty five years ago tonight. Michael shared this photo as they entered the hotel Texas with vice president Lyndon Johnson. That's the president of the United States down there in the lower left. A scrum of people you will never see anymore. Accompany? Being a president because of the security concerns that followed the assassination of JFK Lyndon Johnson. Of course in that photo would be sworn in as president later that day. Michael Beschloss remains with us, Michael. In addition to a president what all did this nation lose on that day fifty five years ago. Well, one thing Brian was our certainty that unlike nations of in Europe, for instance, are politics was not rocked by strange things like assassinations that really ended at that point. And another one was a huge effort by all of our people to look for explanations. That are deeper than perhaps seemed on the surface lot of people almost immediately questioned the official explanation of John Kennedy's assassination. That was done by alone gunman a lot of people question that's to and from that day onward a lot of people without a lot of questions about other decisions that our government has made from Vietnam to Iraq and Afghanistan and think of that day in our history. We didn't know what else there might be. We didn't know if this was part of something else Lyndon Johnson arrives at love field and orders the window shades. Lowered on the plane and later told an interviewer I I wondered. When will the missiles becoming that's exactly right because both he and Kennedy had been advised that if there was ever a danger of this nation might begin with an assassination of perhaps the president or vice president to sort of as was put in those days to decapitate the top of our government and cause chaos at which there might be a first Reich by the Soviet Union. It seems pretty unlikely nowadays. But that was a danger that they live with of course, no one in that immediate picture. We're looking at the swearing in on the seven oh seven is alive today. Michael it's hard to believe it's been fifty five years. Hey, I wanted to mention something Jon Meacham whose name we bring up very reluctantly on this broadcast. Right. Has tweeted a photo of you. And there it is. This is basically trolling Beschloss this Michael Beschloss as a graduate student at Harvard. Some we'll see the it just. Uncanny resemblance between Michael and a young the actor and producer Ken Olin. Others will see an opportunity here. And Michael you've got to find an unearth a picture of young Jon Meacham. I think this is war. It really is war that picture was actually on my first book which came out when I was twenty four and I think I look about sixteen. I think I look like a member of the cast of Oliver don't you you look like an upstanding, young American scholar and future historian. That Meacham character. I've lost him. Exactly. Right. Michael. Thank you. Happy thanksgiving to you. And thanksgiving bribe Michael with us from Washington tonight another break for our broadcast. And when we come back and update on a story, we have covered extensively that takes on more importance over these next twenty four hours. Well, there it is the last thing before we go here tonight. The families who escaped the California fires with only their lives will no doubt give thanks this season for at least that though our thoughts, of course, immediately turned to the homes that were lost the animals the pets that were lost those who were still on the list of the missing as of today and the desperate search by loved ones to find them. All the truth is hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by these fires and thousands of homes have been destroyed, but we are happy to report the charity in people's hearts is starting to meet the enormous need in people's lives. Complete strangers have shown up in shelters handing out gift cards money meals. And in some cases, the clothing off their backs and remember, no matter how dark our politics get remember that. Although our. President has blamed California for these fires and called out the state for not raking and cleaning the forest floor. We are still a nation of hope and light and charity to that end. And B C news has compiled a list of the organizations offering immediate aid. They remind us donating things is often unhelpful because people have nowhere to keep things. So in many cases, cash donations and gift cards are what's needed most by those who have to now put their lives back together. We have posted the list of charitable organizations on all of our social media accounts for you. We will be thinking of all those who are doing without during this thanksgiving season as we wish everyone watching a happy thanksgiving that is our broadcast for this Wednesday night. Thank you. So very much for being here with us. Good night from NBC news headquarters here in New York. The fact of the matter was he was this is a story that is not well known that stuck in my mind about it was this was in the white, but it really should be especially maybe now. Oh my God. Rachel maddow's and MSNBC present bagman. 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"You're listening to comedy central. Through two thousand nine hundred ninety. From comedy central's world news headquarters in New York. This is the daily Joe with Trevor Noah. Here's the. That's so infectious guest tonight is a democratic congressman from California and a candidate for president of the United States. Eric swallow is joining us everybody. Also tonight show. President Trump is invading the UK Forbes announces the first rap billionaire and the eight children who broke the dictionary. So let's catch up on today's headlines. Let's begin with Jared Kushner, President, Trump's son-in-law White House, senior adviser, and guy who always looks like he thinks you just fought it. Despite his important role in the administration Kush. No. Rarely does on camera interviews and this weekend. We found out why Alexandrio Causey accordance she calls. She has called President Trump racist. Have you ever seen him say or do anything that you described as racist or bigoted, so the answer's no absolutely not? You can't not be racist. For six nine years. Then run for president be a racist was both. There is racist. Look, I wasn't really involved in that I know you what was it racist? Like I said, I I wasn't involved. I know you what was it racist? Look, I know who the president is. And I've not seen anything in him. That is racist. So again, I was not involved in that. Did you wish he didn't do that? Like I said, I was not involved in that, that was a long time. Well, that's an interesting way to think of racism, you can only identify if you see it firsthand was slavery racist. I don't know. Man. I wasn't there. Okay. I just heard good things. I wasn't there. I mean if Jared's rule is that he can't comment on something he hasn't witnessed firsthand then they must be all sorts of things. He can never talk about like dinosaurs all all the female orgasm. But still, it is refreshing, that Jared didn't just lie Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee Sanders would. Yeah, because, you know, if one of them got that question they would have been like, no Trump wasn't racist for birtherism Obama was racist for being born in Kenya. But seriously, how Jared so bad like you don't. He's around Trump all the time, you would think that he would practice that's like working the nightshift that waffle house and not knowing how to throw a punch you going to get knocked out. Moving on, as you know, the Democratic Party, now has a record twenty four people running for president twenty full at this point, forget the primaries, we can just solve this with a Royal rumble and because most of their policies are the same some of the Democrats have decided to switch things up to try and make a splash, more than a dozen twenty twenty candidates were in California this weekend for the state's democratic convention, and the booze rain down on some of them when they dared to criticise ideals, like socialism and Medicare for all Medicare for all may sound good. But it's actually not good policy, nor is it. Good politics. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, if we want to be Donald Trump, and she big rested goals, socialism is not the answer. Reelected. I was in St.. You know, what's funny is the crowd's not booing. They're just saying who are you? But yes, this event did not go well for Hickenlooper and Delaney. In fact, it was a disaster. And I mean, do you know how unpopular you have to be to have Trump in a sentence, but people are booing you forget Trump, you this is one of the moments where they'd lucky that nobody actually knows who they are. Yeah. Seriously? If I was John Hickenlooper and said something, no one, like I would just say, I'm another candidates. Yeah. What's the cost? That's right. You heard it for me Tim Ryan, good-bye everybody, if you hate me vote for John Hickenlooper. Moving on to some breaking news from the world of entertainment. Hip hop legend, Jay z is now big pimping on another level. We'll just in Jay z is hip hop. First billionaire four announcing this morning magazine looked at rappers entire portfolio, including his music is investments and his art collection. Congratulations. Jay Z from hustling on the corner to having one thousand million dollars. It must feel great. The only downside is this is his new squad. Yeah. That's, that's where you ruling. That's who you with. And because he's a billionaire forget gnaws now, Jay z has beef with Bernie Sanders. Yeah. We'll be like here's got ninety nine problems on the London percent would like their share of those problems. It's time to break up jersey on beyond say, like the big banks. I'd like I'm happy for Jay z. But at the same time, I feel bad for him because if you're a black person and Forbes announces that you have a billion dollars best believe you're about to get a billion long lost cousins. I got a billion dollars, and they just another people in Africa would lose their shit getting phone calls every day from random Africans just on the phone. That'd be like a Hello. Trevor it's me your cousin Barry. Barack how did you send you a born in Hawaii be like look I wasn't really involved in that, that was a long time ago? I wasn't there. This is a big day. Jay z is officially billionaire and he's married to beyond say, but is he truly happy? Yes. Of course. He's happy than you'll ever be. All right. That's the headlines this move on. John top story. The United Kingdom. What was once the world's largest empire is now just a rainy island struggling with Brexit's, resigning prime minister and a super spy who probably has a thousand STD's and on top of all of that. Now they have to deal with Trump, the president and first lady touchdown in England early this morning. For the three day state visit with one of America's closest allies. The first family received a Royal welcome at Buckingham Palace from Queen Elizabeth her majesty then hosted a private lunch. And after noon tea for the trumps, they then toured the palaces oil collection of art and historic gifts. The Queen did give to President Trump. I dish in of a Winston Churchill book on the second World War call second World War, that's right. The queen's gift for Donald Trump was a book. Either she doesn't know Trump. She's trolling him. Why would you give Trump a book? Everyone knows the men dozen read. I wish I was there when the Queen gave him his gift. She was like, hey, you go Donald book about World War. Two take. Wow. This is sad. Yes. Many lives were lost. No, I mean, the fact that I have to read, it's so sad. Real Donald Trump has no use for a book. It's a useless gift giving Stevie Wonder fish tank. It's like what's happening now. Stevie is the blue is swimming at the top. And now the, the yellow one is swimming. You know you'd love it. You love it. I didn't think this through. Now I wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't be shocked if the Queen was actually trolling on from right? Because over the weekend, he was on the news for a comment that he made about, Princess Meghan Markle, and as if that wasn't bad enough before he landed in the UK, he was also trading blows with the mayor of London as President Trump was departing for London last night. He took a shot at that city's mayor Sadique Kahn, who's been a sharp critic of the president before even landing on British soil. He tweeted his disdain for London. Mayor city Khan, whom he describes as a stone cold loser. The two are not scheduled to meet him. I think that he's a he's twin to Blasios except shorter. Wait, what? A really weird this, this guy shorter than build a Blasios. Oh, yeah. Everyone is shorter than Bill de Blasio. Seven feet tall. It's like someone being house money than Jeff bass off. Yeah, that's all of us. It's also impressive that Donald Trump started a beef with London's mail while he was still in the air. He sent his tweets. It's almost like he sends his beefs ahead of him, so that he has something to do, when he lands because otherwise he'd just pick a fight with a random Pelous God. It'd be nice hat loser porn from the seventies call. They want their Bush back. From didn't just go to the UK roast the Royal family and little de Blasios. No, he also went there to share some of that political acumen that he's so famous for the president's already inflamed tensions here by weighing on the fiery debate over the country's planned departure from the European Union after criticizing embattled Prime Minister Theresa may during his last visit now suggesting the pro Brexit former mayor of London Boris Johnson would be a good candidate to succeed may who leaves office this week, a friend of mine. He's been very nice. I have very good relationship with them. Okay. Okay. We'll, we'll see it right? We're all saying the same thing. Of course, he likes the UK is on the verge of electing. A prime minister, who looks exactly like Donald Trump. I mean, look at these guys I've never seen two people who both look like failed. Clones of each other. But these guys looked so much that if they wanted to they could pull a parent trap, switch places, and no one would notice. Yeah. At least until bar sent a tweet with no Typos and then be like, wait a minute. So between sticking his nose in British politics and fighting with the mayo Trump hasn't made the greatest impression which probably explains why the British haven't exactly rolled out the red carpets, Mr. Trump will not stay overnight in Buckingham Palace. He will not ride an open carriage as other state visitors have done, and he will not be allowed to address. Britain's parliament, if you're wondering why isn't he staying at Buckingham Palace as George W Bush did? And it's Barack Obama did that is because apparently they are having a massive renovations or LA. Really, really? All fifty two bedrooms, and Buckingham Palace are being renovated at the same time all of them come on, man. I know you don't want Trump to stay there, but that's a terribly excuse because now I'm picturing the Queen being like I really tried to get your room. But the manager said, no, I'm sorry, total. It's above me now. Please everyone else days. You're, I'm sorry, the best. Western is next dole. So that was day, one of Trump's visit to the UK, and we'll check in on how things go tomorrow after he meets with Prime Minister Theresa may and gives her an extra special gift a book about World War. Two. Right back. In have been a big weekend in sports, which means it's time for another edition of I apologize for talking while you're talking. Good evening. That's Michael Kosta. I'm ROY were junior. Casa Joan the know what that means. It's time to crash, some high school graduation parties. All right. That is not what I was thinking. If Joe is championship season, French NBA finals, an the Stanley Cup watching the hockey now that's where white people, ROY. But I'll tell you what I did watch. I watched the national spelling bee combines two of my favorite things clutch performance and child labor and this year, these little weirdos, where working overtime, script national spelling bee. But. For the first time in the ninety two years of the competition, spellers could not be still after twenty willing rounds was just a whole midnight and on a school night to be wilder. Judges, simply ran out of more threw up their hands crowning all middle schools. This competition lasted nine hours and ended in a tie a tie. They say hi, it's like kissing, your sister, so I guess eight way tile would be like kissing seven of your sister. You're the one from Alabama. So I'll take your word for, but I can't he should have the right to kiss sister. I can't believe they ran out of the words and dictionary. No, no. Let's be specific. They ran out of white words in the next time this happens. Here's what they do. Okay. Just start spelling words from black Twitter. That's how your topic. Oh, Mr. Kosta, okay? Your word is child. Trial. Oh boy. I don't wanna sound racist. I forfeit. So that is the right move. Now let's top basketball, you keeping up with the NBA final. That's her black people. Roy. The raptors and warriors are in the finals to run had a big game one victory. So for game two Golden State brought out this secret weapon with all this talk about the Toronto celebrity superfan will the warriors countered with their own last night, saying, we'll see your Drake and raise you one Obama President Barack Obama greedy Drake backstays before the game. And then he sat with NBA Commissioner Adam silver for the accident. Obama also got a huge ovation during the game when he was introduced all the Jumbotron. Let's give big draw to welcome to the forty fourth president of the United States. It's mr. Oh. What? Obama has come Nobel peace prize two term president. And now, some drunk Canadians chanting, MVP got admit, though, I kind of feel bad for the man. Obamacare, go anywhere without being out to make people go eat it up without somebody coming over the speaker in the call Gu's eating. The forty four president of the United States. And I hate those jumbotrons put people on. And they throw you up there, then you have to kiss. Whoever you're sitting next to now I just kissed my dad on the lips. You know gotta move to Alabama. That's enough jokes about the home steakhouse, left the shit out of your anyway. Moving on. Let's move onto America's true pastime boxing, where minorities punch each other in the face custody by favorite sport. Well, there was a big fight over the weekend where the new champion put the heavy in heavyweight. And finally, what a stutter on Saturday night at the world's most famous arena, Andy Ruiz junior in eleven to one longshot knocked out Anthony Joshua on the seventh round to take Joshua's three heavyweight championship belts. Release junior is the first Mexican American boxer in history to become heavyweight champion of the world was not supposed to put up much of a challenge against Joshua. But the six foot two two hundred and sixty eight Pounder put on quite a display L rocky Andy Ruiz junior, he's your new, undisputed heavyweight champ of the world being what's called one of the biggest upsets and modern heavyweight boxing history. You know what I'm so happy about this isn't just a win for res. It's a win for normal guys everywhere. Next time next time, my doctor says, I'm overweight. I'll go. No. I'm built like a champion. That's. It's so good. Very inspiring. I'm so inspired. That's why I'm canceling my gym membership. I mean all that things done has gotten me athlete's foot in addiction to protein powder. Turns out you're not supposed to snort it. You know, I'm built like we, you know, maybe, maybe I should try the back. I'm so glad you said that because I actually signed you up for a fight tonight, ROY like like like like a buxom. It's like an underground knife, fight, you're going to be great. So. This is a plastic knife. I need you to go down in the third and make it look real. Cost. Would you never want to write back? My guest tonight represents the fifteenth district of California, in the house of representatives, and is running for president of the United States. Welcome democratic congressman Eric swallow. Welcome to the show. Thanks have other show. What a journey to be on running for presidents along with twenty three of the democratic candidates like a rugby, scrum. Yeah, it really is right crowded. You guys look like a bulk discount, just like a cross. Go run what's going on? That's right. Why do you think so many Democrats running for president right now? I think we're like the avengers, we all want to save America, not like the hunger games the Republicans in two thousand sixteen right? I think people bring different experiences for me, my experiences, I was the first my family to go to college. I know why people work hard, my wife and I got two kids two and seven months. So we're fighting healthcare companies, we're worried about childcare we're worried about our kids safety. He went to preschool for the first day today. I think my wife, like dropped them off and then waited in the parking lot for like five hours. She didn't want to let them go. And so all of these issues that are especially generational and I'm paying off my student loans. Like we get it, we live it and put me in the White House, and I'll be voice for those issues. Right. I know what they mean to people. But let me ask you this though. There are so many democratic candidates who seem to speak into similar issues. They speaking about universal pre-k. This speaking about gun control, this speaking about student debts, etc. Like, what are you, are you thinking of anything to differentiate yourself like mustache like, Monaco or something, very a monocle that'll set you apart by the guy with I'm wearing an orange ribbon today? Think gun violence and ending violence has to be the number one issue for the next president, because it's the most important issue that doesn't have a champion. That's interesting. So you that's like. Tell me about it then because I mean, you know, Democrats have been on the gun control in the conversation, sensitive gun reform. What is your proposal? So first and foremost, I approach it as a as a father sends us kids at school, as a former prosecutor in Oakland who saw street violence, and also domestic violence and somebody who went to congress when sandy hook up, and then we had dots and prayers nothing, right. San Bernardino, Charleston Vegas pulse. Nothing nothing. And I just getting frustrated that I saw after parkland, that, while we were always being told, you know, just mourned the dead, don't talk about what you could have done to protect them that the parents students pick themselves up, and they marched and they wanted to do something. Right. And they converged with people on the south side of Chicago. They converged with the Brady and the giffords group in the sandy hook promise, and they beat seventeen in our eight endorsed members of congress. So what I think we can do what I would do. With president first and foremost ban buyback every single assault weapon in America, fifty million of prying back, I'll show you that it is. I mean. You say that, but I mean you do know. And I mean, I don't know if I should be the one to tell you. But there are a bumper stickers in this country that read, you can pry, my gun from my cold dead hands. Yeah. So are you proposing confiscation people don't allow for their salt rivals to be brought back? What I'm proposing is that we're going to buy them back. If you wanna keep it, it can only be possessed at hunting club or shooting range. And if you don't get it back like anything else. Yes, it would be a criminal penalty. There's not gonna be around up or anything like that. But I think that we love our kids more than we love our guns. And we were always told don't mess with the IRA. Yes. I think people are saying, don't mess with the moms, they're going to have our back on this issue, and so- Bannon by back, but also background checks. And then I went to the south side of Chicago couple of weeks ago. Englewood neighborhood. And I know this issue is not just churches and schools. Right. Shootings are happened a woman, and I'm tomorrow, NASA, she's taken over a couple of blocks, and she told me something that just really hit me right here. She said, you look at all of these, like their murders. They're also suicides. I said, what do you mean she said, well, if you're pulling the trigger chances are, you don't wanna live your hungry are stressed out? You're looking over your shoulder because you don't know, who's after you, you're not gonna take your own life. But you know, if you kill someone else you're going to be retaliated against, she said, if that's the condition of your neighborhood. Why would you even want to live to be thirty or forty so block by block? We have to invest in jobs and education, and put hope where places, really, really need hope. So not a crime Bill. Hope bill. Wow. That's an interesting approach to take for the whole problem. You. You're in a group that is ready progressive. As you said, it's, it's more vengeance than it is hunger games as you saw, though, at the at the convention that the Democrats just held there was a lot of booing for anyone that decided. No, maybe fennel should keep wondering. How do you align with the rest of the democratic views for instance, Medicare for all has become the big conversation with, like, Bernie, on one side, saying this is it Medicare for all, which many people assume to me. No private health insurance. Where do you stand on this Medicare for anyone who wants? That's how I see. So it's, it's a public option recognizes that a lot of people they like their union plan. Let them keep it. But right now, I think every person should have healthcare. It's a healthcare guarantee. It's a bigger government responsibility right here. It's affordable accessible and you're not charged more with the pre existing condition. So that's my plan. But I also again generational. I see that we have become the go fund me generation like when someone gets sick. Yes, we don't count on the government anymore that we're gonna find a cure. We just set up go fund me account, and I want to change that I want to invest in genomics research, and targeted therapies, and data sharing and use that as a way to bring down the cost, you say then the quality of life. Right. You say invest, but my question is, where do you get the money to do that? Because I mean if you've seen the big issue. America has faced as healthy people have gone. Well, I don't want or need health insurance. Young people have said, I can't afford this health insurance. So now you have sick people jumping onto the changes and then you have people who can afford a jumping onto private ones. So how do you figure out where the pieces go and where the money for sin? I we will always be the strongest military in the world. I don't think we have to spend more than the next seven countries to on their military to do that. So I'm going to reduce the nuclear weapons budget, a trillion dollars over the next thirty years. What we're gonna spend on nuclear weapons. Right. I think the health and education of our people that should be the tip of the spear as far as our national defense. We're gonna reform the capital gains tax so that the wealthiest aren't paying a lower corporate tax rate than the lowest paid employees. And we're gonna get rid. We're gonna put back in place. The inheritance tax to make sure that generational wealth is not just passed on that will go a long way to covering this investing and cures again. I think the long term return on that investment is going to be lower healthcare costs, a lot of people have cold you fairly centers. But it seems like you would be considered left and radical for many people. When you running in this game there is one thing that is going to hang over your head. And that is you joked, you know, the one thing that you joked about, as well is, is you a nother white man. That's not my words. Right. I see you. I see you for you. Right. I don't see color. So. And you had an interesting response to this, you, you said that you understand that you're in this position. And you understand that they will be certain blind spots that you have places way, you'll you'll, you'll information is not complete because of who you are. And so that's when you will look to others the criticism has been by some that by that definition, you should be making way for somebody else. How do you then say to somebody? Hey, vote for me, another white guy when they are people of color, who are running if by your words, you are saying that they don't have the blind spots that you have. I believe I do see other identities. Any white male running, I has to acknowledge their white male privilege. Right. That, that is real. And you should acknowledge it should also acknowledge that for communities of color, particularly African American communities. I think we have an original sin of slavery, that we still have not wholly and rightfully dealt with. And I'm supporting creating a commission on reparations to figure out how to deal with that, and make sure that we right? So many communities who have been. Wronged by investing in their communities through education healthcare, because even for me growing up I in the family to go to college. It was it would have been much harder. If I was young black man, I would have been a different criminal Justice system. It would cost more for college African Americans take on more student debt. It would cost more for healthcare, so you have to see and understand that experience. And when I say pass the mic, I mean put together a diverse team who can speak to those issues when you may not necessarily be the right person to speak to those issues. Oh, that's an interesting approach that you're gonna take two. I do find one part of your story, particularly more fascinating than the other pods. And that is that you from, Idaho Iowa Iowa. Sorry, I'm from Iowa is from Iowa and you'll parents voted for Donald Trump. We're gonna have to, you know, work on them. But, but really, this is this is this is it goes to the core of, of the question for me if you could not convince your parents to vote for Hillary Clinton. How do you think you would convince other Americans to not vote for Donald Trump when they did? So using your parents as that archetype. How do you then convince other Americans do not vote for him again? Yeah. So don't dismiss people like my parents. I also married a girl from southern Indiana, and she comes from the same hometown as my pets, so, you know, I'm around this, and I reached across the dinner table before I ever have to reach across the aisle rights at work, I go on Fox News just so my family can see me on TV. The only way. So I went to congress and I've worked in congress to pass by partisan legislation. I worked with the Republican to get rapid DNA in our police station. So that rape victims can get Justice more swiftly and rape kits. Don't sit on the shelves, but the innocent can also be cleared. More swiftly I worked with Representative Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin and got signed into law by President Trump. So I'm not going to dismiss working with Republicans. I'm I'm not going to dismiss Republicans who wanted higher wages lower health care costs, brighter future. Put me on that stage and I'm going to dismiss the guy who is utterly utterly failed them racked up more and more national debt for these tax cuts and reduced our standing in the world. I think that will appeal to a lot of Republicans. I can add states. Wow, you've got an aggressive approach, and you really confident about it. Thank you so much for coming on. Everybody. Don't thank you. The daily show with criminal. Here's a dish, watch the valley show. Weeknights at eleven ten central on comedy central and the comedy, central watchable episodes and videos at the daily show dot com. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and subscribe to the daily show on YouTube, exclusive content and move. 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League-Wide Investigation Launched

"Party interruption but I'm frank is Sola. Hey Tony a new study says as much more water on the moon than previously thought Sony Kornheiser. I just hope you rain stays dry. That's that's what can I ask you a question there. was there a memo that we were supposed to look like we're wearing the same colors. It looks like a member guests. They had long dress like you today. There's just so all last time son deal because I'm not much older than T._i.. Boys and girl we move on still on the lamb I am pleased to be joined by our good friend from the Athletic Villain Frank Guys Soma and we begin today with report from Zach Lowe and Brian Windhorst of E._S._p._N.. That the N._B._A. has opened Linden investigation into how free agency operated this past summer this at the request of some owners who felt they got bruised by tampering the League's Council has asked these owners if they would be comfortable turning over their servers and cell oh phones as the investigation proceeds Franklin makeable this that this tampering and we know that because free agency started at six o'clock on June thirtieth and right at six o'clock we heard about Kemba Walker we heard about Kyrie Irving in the nets and we heard about Kevin Durant so you don't think those deals just traffic half. They'll have to address that but I've heard from people that the big issue was uncle Dennis. That's guy who's related to it is his uncle he went to Toronto and apparently as for the moon including sponsorship deals which is circumventing ending the salary Cap Toronto in the Lakers thinking we'll hang on a second. He didn't come to us but he went to the clippers so did they circumvent the salary cap from what I'm heard that didn't happen but I think that's what the League's look into so I I am fixated on the notion that you might have to turn over your service and yourself because you go went to Hillary Clinton territory. If you turn over the server and I mean I cannot even imagine an owner. I Okay Jimmy Dolan Mark Cuban Steve Ballmer Not GonNa turn of this you wouldn't I wouldn't nobody's Radi. Wouldn't you shouldn't have to do that. My sense of it is this. That was the most exciting week in N._B._A.. History Okay for the first time in years people are totally jacked up for negative season now so with that is the downside of tampering good. It's good the league. I understand if you're a small market team. You're afraid you can't keep your free agents but the league product is so much more exciting better for this. Is it not so you're absolutely right about that. At the Board of Governors in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago. A lot of the owners said it's all LAFORCE. Now there's tampering that's happening. So why don't we just do this. Maybe once the last day of the finals whatever that is if it's a four-game sweep seven games whatever the case may be allow teams to talk to free agents no deals can be signing in July first free agency NC sorry you wouldn't just walk into a dealership and buy a car sight unseen. You would want to know a little bit about I i. These tampering. Rules are stupid tamp. No one's following this good. You know what if you following the rules you're GONNA get hurt. You have to be breaking the rules unfortunately all right Tony. I know you're excited about the Feeble Cup August thirty I in China in fact. Keep your schedule open because U._S._A.. Basketball may ask you to play Damian Lillard and Demar rose in the latest all stars to back knockout. They join a list that includes Anthony Davis James Harden Bradley beal in fact of the eleven Americans on the all N._B._A.. Teams only Kemba Walker is on the current U._S.. Roster Tony is at a problem that all these big name players are backing checking out the team won't be any good. I mean they don't have the marquee players if I'm Gregg Popovich and I'm coaching this because I'm trying to get ready for the Olympics where I'm also coaching and my own player. DAMARA Rogan doesn't WANNA play. I feel bad but my rejoinder to this is this is not the Olympic okay. If this was the Olympics we've seen people lineup to go to the Olympics the best players this is the World Cup and it is not the World Cup of sock. It doesn't mean as much much is that they want. It isn't what it does a second class of event in the eyes of most of these players you've got. I don't even know why we have to be in it but just so this. If you win the World Cup you automatically qualify for the Olympic. We're not going to qualify well. I hope you have to go through the qualify team together so you do have players like Steph Curry Klay Thompson Anthony Davis maybe next summer they WANNA be part of the Olympics right. If you're a great pop it you think Donovan Mitchell Kemba Walker Jason Tatum I I should win but what's going to happen next summer. When all of a sudden these players show up like Steph Curry Klay Thompson Draymond they get to play because they're better and it's a television? Show and people want to see them. I don't I gotTA give up six weeks my summer so they can get go metal gear maybe the N._B._A.. I should say we're not going to have this one. We're not GONNA play. We'll use college kids for this one because it doesn't matter if we qualify not because we can qualify down the road will use one and done for this. You know who you can ask s Kobe Bryant. He'd be happy when he has been this guy's into swee on the big part is why not do it on alternate well. You don't do back to back years. Play it. You know the World Cup and then two years later with the Olympics why have back. That's a big commitment six weeks of yourself. Are you giving up six weeks of yourself either way. If I'm. I'm an owner of a team. I don't want to get especially if today sign a contract Tobias Harris Suited Lillard. I don't want us whether or not comply Madison Bumgarner will start for the giants tonight against the cubs giants have won ten of twelve since the all-star game there in the wild card race bumgarner who almost everyone had being traded by now is to go with a one point five five year reign as last five starts. His official position on being traded is that he doesn't quote give a bleep unquote frank. If you're running giant so you hoping for dominant dominant mad bump performance tonight of course I am because it's going to increase his trade value and by the way he will have one more start before the deadline on July thirty first but if I'm San Francisco I've already one with him. I know that I have one of the greatest world series pitchers of all time certainly in the Mon- on Near. Why do I WANNA trade him? I mean this we can get to the playoffs. Baseball is set up that teams. You know that everyone's basically in it. You can make the why comes a free agent and maybe they're wondering what why why punt on this season and knowing collusion but guess what Tony if you make offer a few tend to him and offer. You'RE GONNA get a first-round pick if he leaves his a free agent so you don't lose you don't miss out on everything. Great players occasionally get traded Justin Berlin Hall of Famer Yeah. He got traded in anyone the world series basically for the Houston Astros Bumgarner on could get traded although he's got an interesting no-trade closer eight teams that he doesn't have to go out of big ones. They're the best teams are the Red Sox in the Yankees and the Astros in the cubs and I'm trying to figure out maybe doesn't WanNa get traded and so he put those really good teams in there but I <music>. I'm in the Herm Edwards School. We're GONNA play the game. Let's try to win the game and they've won three words and then when three world series and six years I mean they know how to where they get their. They know how to win and he knows chance. Why wouldn't you try to win? I guess there are people the giants who want to a complete rebuild they want to sell off all the assets but if you can win now with I personally think in all the playoffs that the wildcard in baseball is the single most exciting of them love to watch it so I wanted by the way he's eighty three in the playoffs. He's four no in the world series series zero point two five year. The guy is dominant. You mentioned the teams that he has on his list that he won't be traded to. I wonder if those teams comes from the Yankees. We want to treat me and he says all right. You have to Gary GonNa get a big cocker. Shows sure that's what he's probably thinking as well well you know he's GonNa have to turn over cell phone and all right Houston astras rookie your Dan Alvarez who began the season in the miners drove in two runs in Monday's eleven one win over the Oakland A.'s and became the first player to have thirty five R._B._I.'s R._B._I.'s in his first thirty game since runs batted in became an official statistic in One Thousand Nine Hundred Twenty Alvarez past the one and only Albert Pool halls who at thirty four R._B._I.'s in his first thirty games at the saying Louis Cardinals all the way back in two thousand and one Tony is this record could a big deal little deal deal. I tend towards no deal. I suspect you could convince me. It was a little deal but I tend towards. It's thirty games. This is a very small size. I'll go back a couple of years. Eric themes teams right He owns owns April has eleven home runs in April. The big stories came out of the Korean leagues and nobody's seen him for a few years in his with the brewers at that point and we talked about them every day and then by September. We didn't talk about him at all. Because by September they'd played one hundred forty games at that point finished with thirty one homers which is fine but it doesn't set the world on fire. I would say of Alvarez GimMe Gimme one hundred thirty games. Thirty Games are first of all. He's a twenty two year old one of three Cubans that is on the Houston Astros. He looks like Chili Davis up there when he's sitting but you're mentioning these names but our pulls is the guy who's record. He just broke and he's a whole talk is going to the hall so you are comparing him to a pretty good player dirty games. I get it and Kevin Moss was a player that came up all the way in the early nineties with the New York Yankees he was putting up Babe Ruth numbers. No one's ever heard of Kevin Moss. I understand that but I think in this era of baseball with the live ball the fact that he's being compared the he's already breaking record hell by a guy that we know is going to the hall of fame. That doesn't mean something again. It's thirty games last year. Wants Soda was nineteen years old and Ronald Kuni junior was twenty years old and they got the numbers here Soto Twenty Two homers in hundred sixteen games in a Kunia junior one. I hit twenty-six homers on the season. These guys are on the verge of stardom them now but that's a greater sample size. It's thirty games sturdy. Mike Trout as a nineteen year old. I forty games with the Angels Sixteen R._B._I.'s so is this guy better than my track. I didn't say that you're GONNA go by better than ever falls. Nick Kosta. Janos is an outfielder for the Detroit Tigers. He identifies himself as a power hitter WHO's getting robbed by his own ballpark. America Park Casino says quote this Parks Joep. How are we going to be compared to the rest of the people in the League for power number's Opie a P._S.? Slugging and all that stuff we got a yard out here. That's four hundred twenty feet straight across centerfield unquote. That's that's tough right is cost the analyst writers he simply wind what I think it's wanting because Tony can't we just have a couple of ballparks stat. Aren't you know these little crackerjack parchment. Everyone hits every fly balls a home run. We have that at Yankee Stadium. You haven't in Baltimore you haven't in Boston. You haven't in Houston. Can't they. Be One park where it's hard to hit the ball out of but I get it. He's thinking contract was I can't get enough homerun city. Right if you go back to two thousand one Gonzales complain about the left beal wall he said it was unfair to right handed hideous. You know what they did. It brought they. They moved in the first thing I would do with Mr Kosta Janos as I would introduce him to Jeff McNeil The mets yeah tries to get on base and tries to hit rathenow would say this is a pretty good way to go in the second thing I would do is I'd ask him. Does he know any pictures on his own club. Because if it's four twenty wall to wall they love that ballpark because nothing is going out and they're part of your own club and then I would say try pulling the ball once in and while like if all of your powers straight away center your dope learn how to pull the ball and the ball is going to go out but isn't that what makes baseball great every park different different dimensions with having a part that has these type of demands. I think I have this right. The Tigers have the fewest home runs in their own. Elm Park suggests to me that the G._M.. Is Constructing team that is not going to die at the wall all the time and is going to try for something else. Mickey Cabrera hit back toback forty four homerun seasons in two thousand ten to two thousand twelve right around there and forty five eight slightly more than half but slightly more than half they were at home so if you're a great hitter I assume you can get it out. He's second among active players with Homerun four hundred seventy. He's hit one hundred seventy one of them at Cabrera's not cost the not yet Rizal uncomplaining. Let's take a break coming up now. These joined the Spurs assistant what kind of a head coach Tim Duncan make and and what's the word for the deal that Zion just signed with Nike's Jordan brand commerical by the way has the seventeen most home runs between thirteen other below. Its whining wanting yesterday now since WII. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting door living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting does he has plenty of time to think if we could sadly she has no brain however weather when an nesting doll here's the GEICO not only saves people money but also has been providing great service but over seventy five years she thinks it's obvious you should switch because yes switching to geico is a no brainer pity the innermost nesting dollond her locked in life. I got my Doctor Code on so it's fine for pro ranks vocabulary in what's the word what's I tim Duncan would make a blank N._B._A.. Head coach tall he would be the tallest head coach in the N._B._A.. If he were the coach now how he'll do is something I'm not at all confident in there have been great players who have been very very good coaches. Billy Cunningham was very uh. He's one of the great players Larry Bird Lenny Wilkens. These guys were great coaches but Bob cousy a great player Magic Johnson. Wes unseld you know they did not they did not do as well. What what is so curious to me about Tim Duncan Dunkin his? I've watched him play for close to twenty years. I have no sense of the sound of his voice. I do WanNa read this. Though Gregg Popovich said this direct quote. It's only fitting that after I served loyal loyally Tim Dunkin's assistant that he returns the fans. It's a great quote. <music> by word is going to be selfless because he was selfless. Choir doesn't have a big EGO. I entered the Gregg Popovich wanted him to join the staff now. Dunkin it'd been hanging around San Antonio showing up at the practice facility in fact when Kawhi Leonard was based on the Sabbatical from the team. He was working out with Tim Duncan so Tim Duncan wanted to be around here because I think he will be Canadian big EGO next it's blanked Zion signed a shoe deal with Nike's Jordan brand predictable who did not see this coming. The biggest moment of the college basketball all season last year was when he was sitting on the floor half of his shoe had blown off and it was a Nike Nike's not stupid so right then in the Air Nike probably came up with a strategy because they figure everybody saw our shoe who fail if this kid signs with us and forgives us that we give them all the money he wants because that indemnified us against under armor and against the Dita's it was absolutely predictable. Don't you and I said it was savvy and by the way <hes> Barack Obama sitting court and watch that happened. It didn't make a big deal of it. He didn't blame the steel so what he did with Larry quietly so nike was in a position where they're going to do not sign him so behind closed doors. Obviously he got. He got a big contract from them. I asked him before the draft. What happened to the shoe because he should have the shoe and get the shoe? Put It on Ebay rich or go to the hall of fame. Yeah I mean I think this gives Nike reprieve. I think it's smart and predictors next Karl. Anthony towns is blank for saying he's been held back to forty percent of his potential. He is accusatory. There's no question that this is aimed at Tom. Tom Theo coached him for two years and obviously Karl Anthony towns. I didn't like it and Ryan. Saunders coached him for forty two games in those forty two games he averaged towns average twenty seven points twelve rebounds and four assists which a great numbers. I lost yeah well. I'll bet you this. I'll bet you that Karl Anthony. Towns is tired. Listen to stories about Antetokounmpo Joel Embiid Anthony Davis and he wants to blame somebody and he's blaming your one hundred percent right and I say it's passive aggressive because it's not just but it's it's also Jimmy Butler because when Jimmy Butler arrived they won forty seven games they made the playoffs and Tony the crowded Minnesota was channing m._v._p.. Not Karl Anthony towns with at the free throw line when Jimmy Butler was there and then Butler just left and said he didn't like towns yes so that that'd be exactly right so did there that became a little dysfunctional but Karl Anthony towns. You made an all star game you for the first time with Tom is the coach and you forty. Seven Games totally accusatory next last one the future of Robo jumps in in baseball looks blank making up a word cookie in it is for Tim Cook who is the chairman I believe of apple because the way the Robo umpires work and it started in the all-star game of the Atlantic and now it's going full time is the umpires sort of standing there with nothing to do receives the call a baller strike through an iphone in his pocket now umpires and not going to go away because now but he's got to make the safer out call and I mean but I do think they will probably be replaced as time goes on because what we've seen in tennis where they have robotic UMPIRES and make lines stops and it works. I mean it works again. You not costing umpires jobs. You're not well. I'm saying that it's minor because I think it's it's GonNa stay in the Martin Luther Longtime. What's funny is last week? Don Mattingly came out and said he was upset and he said you know what the technology needs to get here. Sooner I WANNA see behind the plate. I just want to hear from the the the Umpire's Union they're gonNA. They're going out because David Wright be personal exchange between an umpire and catcher and the bad also you're not gonNA have is their star turn when they throw a batter out because the batter looks back in complaints and they're not going to have that anything eat thug words Franklin wrote that let's take one last a spray but still to come. How impressed should we be with visual evidence a look at that of a Ben Simmons three pointer the first ever did he make and the twins pulled off triple play and beating the Yankees last night? Who's going to win tonight's game to do again? It's easier to go after the in is to go after the players for slowing the play down yes so the players will be happy to go after the Aaron. Boone can't yell at a robot he can yell out Umpire and saying we're savages out and you're having a bad game so and people have fifty eighth birthday Woody House most recently the Emmy Award winning actor was at Wimbledon unable to get through a seat because play was ongoing when he was finally let in was sporting a fabulous hat and later in the match when Nicholas took a ball in the man's zone Harrelson felt his pain and empathize sports connection Woody Harrelson was great in the classic movie. White men can't jump he really was. Did you see play Archie bunker a couple of weeks ago. What do you think about Marisa Tomei? I thought she's absolutely to really happy. Anniversary Dwayne wise on this day ten years ago wise made this thrilling catch at the wall the ninth inning to help preserve Mark Burley's perfect game against the race. That's a great catch but it is the twenty fifth out Stephen. Susan Junior preserved a no hitter for Jordan Zimmerman in the nats on the twenty seventh out with a diving catch five years ago now a no hitter is not a perfect game but a catch like that on the twenty seventh doubt. That's pretty success. You've heard about how many times we see on these perfect games of these no hitters. There's always one this great play happy. Trails Mark Sanchez the thirty two year old tenure N._F._l.. Veteran is retiring from football and heading to E._S._P._N.. E._S._P._N. A._B._C. to become a college football studio analyst when Sanchez was the quarterback at U._S._C. is coach. Pete Carroll famously told him don't go to the N._F._l.. Now Sanchez went anyway and had immediate success as the sanchis with the jets. It's going to to A._F._C. Championships in a row but then there was that incident that left Sanchez the butterball jokes as it were you know what I always like Mark Sanchez by the way he did beat Tom Brady and the Patriots in New England and a playoff game. It's pretty impressive so the coats at that point was rex righteous and it looked like he was on the same trajectory that Sanchez was and the full of them have taken in terms of their chosen profession. Coaching saying is rex was one way twice from going on a super bowl no errors we run out of the show so we go to the big finish. An Internet video shows Ben Simmons Making three and a pickup game. Is that significant by the way. Have you seen the video look at the there's no energy in the video. It's like no intensity. I'm not compressing swimmer. Katiola decky pulled out of two events at the world championships due to medical concerns your thoughts. I know her. I liked doing the family I like the family. She's the greatest swimmer we've ever seen. She got beaten event that she never ever lose. What from behind zone? Maybe it's medical. Maybe it's emotional as well. I hope she gets right back in the pool in this great agent Peterson's attorney says he trusted the wrong people with his money. Oh that means you lost a lot of money. That's why he wants to keep on playing. He's made a lot of money to a lot of mistakes. Dodger Stadium will get a hundred million dollar facelift including Centerfield Plaza. Is that okay by you better be fabulous. They'RE GONNA put up a Statute Sandy Koufax. I just hope Larry King gets too cheap seats so in ninety degree he can wear backstage. Mary Hart Park.

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Well many of us are busy surviving Wales appear to be thriving and that has researchers making noise about how the suddenly quiet seas might be a boon for marine mammals. Switch hitter back when the Chicago cubs. Were bad I mean soul crushingly. Historically bad one of their fans reached out to other teams with a proposal and his son recently discovered subsequent negotiations covered all the bases alleged murder. Hornets to you. British Columbia's top beekeepers says he's sick of seeing the media vilify Asian giant nets. But don't get him wrong. They're still pretty bad. And when we last told you about pickles the sheep she was in desperate need of a good sheer after an astonishing seven years on the Lam now unlike so many of us trickles has a new but she has yet decided. The Trim really suits her as it happens. The Monday Edition Radio. That suspects only time will tell. Italians have endured a lot in the past two months. The country has been among the hardest hit by the Kobe. Nineteen pandemic thousands of people have died and for eight weeks. Everyone has been ordered to stay home now. Finally people in Italy are getting a bit of freedom back today. The country lifted some restrictions. Millions of people were permitted to return to work. Cafes were reopened for takeout and everyone is allowed. Some visits with relatives. Francesca laundry is an Italian writer and the author of the Novel Eva Sleeps. We reached her in Rome. Francesco what did you do today with your reinstated freedoms well I went for a long walk Which had a scope so. It wasn't just walking. I went from eight to be Had some things to do but I- advantage of typist. Today we we could go walking and there was a gorgeous day. Enron was that it's amazing bests. I read enjoyed it. Okay that's perfectly normal sounding thing to do. How does that contrast with what your life has been well? Rome was not totally normal looking. I have been in the center. Wants during these two months of full lockdown because it had something I could not do and so I saw it when it was completely empty which is a very eerie beautiful but eerie. I didn't like IT I. It was very creepy today. It was like a halfway so no traffic. Lots of bikes many people walking so it was not as a deserted as it was when month ago but it still wasn't the normal Rome smelly noisy all right so some progress it just be ability to move freely but you still have restrictions right. There still are the contact people how you treat them how you respond to them. You can have contact with people with whom you have quote stable affections. What is what does it mean. Don't ask me don't ask me. There has been as you can imagine a lot of joking and the mean send the I mean it. It's one of those things that it's easy to to laugh at. I think the rationale is and that is something I totally agree with. Don't go and have social life rich socialites. And just stick to a very few people. That's the points. Which of course is very important to follow but how how much of a kind of challenge to Italian culture is this. I mean that Italians are going to say they're tactile. They they hug they kiss they. Embrace they touch. How how much is this going to change things? Oh well we cannot hug except the people you're living with and I am not worried about that. It's something that of course we cannot. Do we ever hand to people. But I'm not worried like you know. Some people are saying how we're losing our ability to no. I don't think that it's going to be a problem. We will have many many many problems because of this crisis but these will not be one of them that we will have an learned to hug each other. I'm pretty sure that we will do it immediately. Very well you wrote a letter to all of us from our future and Which was You did the end of March and When you were going into lockdown and telling us what to expect of life it's it's it's funny and sad and it turned out very truthful. What can you tell us about our future now because we are now were some weeks ago Well how it will unfold for us now. I have no idea because as you know today's the first day of so called phase two The wound here is complex. There is a lot of relief. I was very happy to have this beautiful walk. I I enjoyed it a lot at the same time. There is a lot of You know fear and worry. We don't know what will happen. The virus is still around It's not over yet and it's not going to be over in a long time. Plus many people didn't have beautiful walk like I had to go back to work which could be warring in itself being exposed so very mixed feelings. Everybody's very cautious would say. Even the relief partial relief. There is a strong feeling of caution. Let's wait and see it's wait-and-see in your in your letter from our future. You described how you will sing your on your balconies and sing uplifting songs you will you count all the things you really don't need never did. Probably you will see chance for a renewal. You'll see all these things the same time that you know. There's while you're locked in your homes and do you think it's possible that that things have changed completely that that We have we. Actually you are emerging out into a different world in Rome. Well I'm don't think we're emerging now in a different world. What I mean is that this is not even remotely the ends of the whole corona virus crisis and of the crisis the several crisis which this crisis will inevitably cause first of all economics at a global economic crisis probably lyrical shifts. I mean this is going to be bake going to be long and even just the health care crisis. The DEMOC itself was not be over until the vaccine will be found or some very very strong and efficient. Sure so this is a marathon is going to be long today at least here in Italy. This is just really opening a new chapter but my guess is that really still very much of the quite the beginning chapters long story which would take a long fence unfold and when you know when people say the world will be different When we come out of this I don't think they mean today or they mean at the end of the whole thing because that would be very transforming inevitably whether for good or for worse. We don't know I know you have to grownup children and they live abroad and you said in your letter. It helped how painful is not to see them. When do you think you will be able to embrace your children again? The actual pain is Not Knowing when we will need an hug own Willie Hug. We definitely will That uncertainty that is very very painful and very new because We privileged carriers of European passports. We have always been used to pick up off flights and go to Germany where my kids are somewhere anywhere else now. We cannot do it and suddenly were in the same position the rest of the world. Who Don't have such formidable passports and it strange it's hard it's off And we're not used to it. Francesca we'll leave it there. And I thank you for giving us a little glimpse into our future once again. Thank you thank you for having me. By Francesca laundry is an Italian writer and the author of the Novel Eva Sleeps. She was in Rome. And you can find more on this story on our website. Cbc DOT CA Slash Ai. H In the New York Times among others has called them. Murderers but British Columbia's top beekeeper says the media's got them all wrong. The alleged murderers are Asian giant Hornets. They've recently been discovered in Washington. State and British Columbia scientists and beekeepers are hurrying to squash them before they devastate. The Bee Population and social media is abuzz with horror with many wondering. How in the long year? The twenty twenty has already been. We can possibly handle murder Hornets. Will Paul Van. Westerndorp is not too impressed with that nickname. He's the provincial agriculturist NBC and we reached him in Vancouver. These Hornets seem pretty deadly. I understand you take exception to people calling the murder Hornets. Yeah this is this. You have to see these things in proper context These These Asian Hornets By the way Asian Hornets as a whole group of different species and this particular one is the Asian giant Hornet and these are very large former formidable insect and they are not interested in US. We are not their target. They are only causing some issues with with humans when their nest is disturbed. They don't care about it. So Asian giant Hornet. That gives us a start on describing this creature. Can you tell us what they look like? Well if there's some very stout bodied curtroom with the all female Of course because that's the world of bees and wasps And she is These these these Hornets are approximately five centimeters in length. And the most characteristic thing is instead of has been usually large head an orange colored head and that is so big because it has of manuals that are designed to do one thing and that is to eat or to bite and so easy to bite and I guess to kill. So what is it that actually going after like all Hornets Wasps? They are predators. So father insects that is their mission in life now. This particular Hornet is what we call an apex hunter. There are no other insects that feast or bike or a hunt them. And by different nation apex hunters may very fierce but their currencies. Very very low so Contrary to what our friends in some parts of the states have been saying we are not seeing and we'll never anticipate the countryside being overrun by these quote murder Hornets. I mean it. It just doesn't work that way. But our main concern is the public exposure in that they're nesters on the ground so The danger is or the risk is that you have an inadvertent disturbance off the national because of the family doc that walks by or the the child that folks and stick in the whole and the Waas come out and then you have some serious problems. Okay so I I I went. Ask You about this because people have died from being stung by these These Hornets. So what how? How can I say deadly? How deadly are they well? Goodness of course totally dependent on a number of factors including ones sensitivity to it by the way there aren't a fair number of people that die every year North America because of Honeybee stings. The problem with this character is that it has its body size. It has a large volume of venom and it has a smooth stinging up around us so it can sting repeatedly. It's Phantom also contains in an enzyme in the peptide that is causing tissue necrosis so causing the the tissue to dissolve and therefore you have an increased danger of often infection afterwards. So it it. It's mostly the the The total number of things should get the number of individuals. That you're sting gets stung by at any one time that will dictate. How much of a viscous involved capable half? Does any do sound murderous? Well of course they are but not they are they they they can be under the right circumstances and we are definitely not happy to to have found them in the first place and our main focus right now is to use to public. S- survey Shin by reporting any sightings of Wasp like creatures to report to us and then we can identify imperfectly photograph And in that case we can at least identify where they are located in addition to this possibility. This is the human contact with them. Of course they do attack colonies. Don't tell us what they do to honeybees. Over the course of the spring and summer season they get larger and you may have altogether by the end of the summer. Something like a couple of hundred of these Hornets Nest and in order for that next. To produce sexually maturing offspring they need a large influx of animal protein and for that they will start hunting or reading honeybee colonies. How did he kill the bees? Oh well I refer to their big mandible. So what happens is this. It's actually fascinating. There is a scout that goes out there and goes into an apiary and observes in particular a colony will then be an ceremony mark behind it goes back to its own nest and recruit a number of her sisters to come and rate this particular honeybee nest and but they do they go to the entrance and essentially create panic. They they do nothing but slice wherever they can get these so the bees are coming out and they sliced them and they slice them and so they can overwhelm calling me over a span of a of a few hours and during this time to panic you so much that the B.'s don't over defense the nest and the wasps combine come. The Hornets can then move in and to collect and ray to be brewed that they carry back to their own nest. How close are you to finding a way to do that? Obviously they're they're invasive. They're not natives. But how do you? How do you get rid of them? Oh we have some wonderful means of when they are when we find a nest that is the problem. We find nests then. We have no problem to indicate them as what has happened in last year. In an I'm where the first and only nest bus ever found of this Hornet. We are really relying on humans right now for their observational powers to to to let us know what they find and then we can start locating hopefully locating these nests. Okay well the word is out. People will be reporting if they see them and you'll forgive if they call them murder Hornets because I think well yes I I know but then on the other hand you know it started with. The African is tiny bees. They were tilt killer bees by the media. Well we don't talk about that anymore. So maybe his in flush of sensationalism and hopefully in a little while. We'll just talk about them as Asian giant Hornets. All right we will heed that advice and thank you. Thank you for telling about these creatures. Paul Okay you're welcome. Paul Van West door is the provincial apiculturists in British Columbia. We reached him in Vancouver after the sheep disappeared. No saw hide nor hair of her for years and then suddenly there. She was high buried under a really alarming amount of hair. As we told you last month on as it happens. Pickles was separated from her flock during a bushfire in. Tasmania back in two thousand thirteen. And over the years she grew from a little lamb to a big fluffy sheep then fluffier and still fluffier and then on Good Friday. Her owners finally spotted trickles and took her and all that will back to the farm. When we shared a photo of trickles. A lot of you felt a strong kinship with her. Having spent some time alone. Also in without access to hair clippers yourselves but today trickles is a lot less prickly having undergone her first haircut in seven years alice gray is a sheep farmer and prequels owner. We reached our in Australia ALICEA. Last time we spoke to you you described pickles as a glorious sight to behold massive and fluffy how she looking today well today. She's looking quite a bit smaller on Friday. We removed her huge place announcing his quantum bits. Mola and much much faster running around the paddock. So how did she take to being shared for the first time? Well she was a big myths of cosplaying. Lean S shearing shed and we had two different TV crews who tend up to watch because prequels either big celebrity Australia but she took it very well and she didn't protest at all in the flakes camel. Very quickly took six minutes to she her. Good Heavens I mean. I don't know much about sheep shearing but I can't believe that that much wolf came off so quickly. Were you surprised I was surprised the other thing. We were surprised about with the white of his place because she looks so huge in the out in age of her place was quite rough. Which is why we called her prequels and even the sheer was socialits when he started to she because she was a superfund marina meaning she has the most superb quality will and it was so soft and so I wanted so fluffy ends. Eighth came off beautifully wide much less than we thought. We did. Talk about that because we tried to get what you thought your estimates because I know it's a contest. But how much did you think that the PREQUELS head off? My guess was thought should be about twenty twenty-five key allies. But it wasn't at all. Where did you get? It was fifteen point six kilos that considering that an superfund marina usually has two point five kilos she still had why than your average. Shame but prequels didn't beat the record. I understand the record holder of Chris the Marino from Canberra that soon. Come close to what Chris data even come close and on. My husband had to explain this to me because I couldn't understand how shape after saying trickles banks point seeks could be as huge obvious shape which was either forty was because it wasn't as good a quality play so wide local. I've learned a lot about going so being the first time that this sheep is ever been shorn. Is it a different quality as it does it? Come in quite fine because of up all night is it's absolutely support will end and lovely to say. Come off and her running around in the shearing shed just looking quite relieved to have these huge Lloyd type rentals okay but we know that she survived seven years on the Lam so to speak and so that will probably kept her warm during a few nights right absolutely but when we did she who use what they call a snow time so when they she I leave a little bit extra on the edge of his scheme so it kind of like a layer of Willem underwear. She still has a little Capable and also. She's putting paddock next one orchard Which has little shitting it. So she's got plenty of shelter from the weather and on the first couple of nights. She slipped in the shearing shed with a friends. Just to make sure she was acclimatize with very very worried about Making sure that prequels very well looked after she did spend seven years being free being out there someplace. So how was she taking too confinement? We'll she doesn't seem to monitor at all as long as she's with the shape that she's now very attached to this particular shake that always gets between prequels and anyone who walks into the paddock the shade so I think she's got some pretty strong bonds without the shape so I think she's going to be just fine. You don't worry that. She is going to get a longing for the wild that she's going to want to live free once again. I think so I. I think she's got a lot of areas. You can run rounding. She's got protection in the paddocks office. She's GonNa be just fine. Can we got? He said that she is very famous in Australia. We had tremendous reaction here too when we talked to you last about precocious and of course. The picture was just magnificent. But why do you think trickles is so popular? I think it's couple of reasons. I think physically so many of us at at a times off sliding all over the world and so much news we see so much sadness everywhere and I think a good news stories just what everybody nights. I think the other thing is the story about how prequels was still fossilising. And comparing it to people who can't so far slight and raising money for refugees in linking the two stories together has really risen night at least paypal and just remind people how you were raising money with With with trickles literally we had a competition where people could guess the white of trickles place make a donation and the money would go to UNHCR. Which is the United Nations refugee agency? But now she's been Sean people are just making our nation's just because I wanna be pot of prequels legacy of supporting those people who need help so naturally these time and the tally just continues to rise. When we started at goal was five hundred dollars. And now we're up to twelve thousand seven hundred. That's impressive. Wow well thank you for entertaining us with trickles and I hope she has a good life with you. Thank you so much for by by Alice. Gray is a sheep farmer in the owner of trickles the sheep. We reached her in Denali Australia for more on this story and to see a photo of the newly-shorn trickles visit our website at CBC dot ca slash as it happens the numbers in Russia are getting frightening over the weekend. Health officials set a record when they added more than ten thousand new corona virus cases in day. Then they did the same again. The country's spiking numbers don't come as a surprise to anesthesia. Vasilyeva Vasilyeva as the head of the alliance of doctors a Russian Medical Union. She's been calling for the Kremlin to take action about the pandemic for months. We reached Dr Anastacia Vasilyeva in Moscow Yucky. Vesey they've what are you hearing from your fellow? Russian doctors as to the numbers of cases they in Russia that keep rising. What are they saying about that? Of course the very I can hear a lot of terrible things Terrible situation in hospitals all hospitals in Moscow full and now govern the Moscow government Changing some trader buildings into hospitals. But the great problem is in a lack of medical stuff because a lot of doctors and nurses and other medical workers they are six now Because of lack of e and I WANNA I wanna ask you about the lack of protect protection equipment Earlier this year just recently a few weeks ago you were arrested outside Moscow after you went to Raise concerns of. Yes and you want to raise Lack of personal protective equipment in that community. What is the situation now are? Do you know if those doctors are now getting what they need. No this is a very far from Moscow and yes there are some cases. Budgets sedation is not so severe in most resin Moscow but Also supplying not only the place where our where. I was arrested We were supplying also hospitals in Moscow and Moscow region Because the problem is very very important for medical workers because of lack of PB really don't want to work because they now they understand the danger about. Gow Government resolve this problem. They made in order. That students must Go to the hospitals and treat these patients. Of course. This order is out of the Constitution of rushing out of flows so students now have to make a choice between the possibility to have this education and To be sick without ep e I know you went to raise alarm and also to provide this equipment but since that time President Putin is has admitted that there is a shortage of this PP. He's insisted that they are going to correct that. He is now seems to be taking this much more seriously than he did at the beginning saying that. He's extended the lockdown his recognizing that they said very serious and that they're just beginning the most grueling part of the pandemic so. Do you think that you have accomplished? What you out to do. By by making the government aware of this after we make note made annoys Of course president put it on the stove this the danger and in some hospitals. They got much more by not all hospitals Even now they have a pro this problem and every day receiving letters from medical workers from Russia that they have lack. Now have lactose. Tv At the same time. Do you think that Putin is now on top of this that the Restrictions put in place are actually going to now get a grip on the spread of this virus in in Russia. Even if President Putin understands now these cases so for deaths and Medical workers are sick now. so The like we in Russia we said The real go went went away. The water eventuate already. It's too late to put listening too late for the president trump. Understand because he is. He's a responsibility for the lives of medical workers It was the same as today. And it's all the same the month two months ago but They don't believe really now that they will have enough to eat and the public itself. Do you think that they are now? Under a restriction that will help stop spread the virus. The state television always said that it's okay. We have enough. Bp Hub have enough for medical stuff. Is this lesion. Says it's okay. It's not severe infection and that's why a lot of people don't understand the real danger and that's why they population They go for a walk. They go to have fun outside the Minister of Health Care System and the government. The don't speak to the people that's why a lot of people in Russia they really don't believe the disinfection Israel Danger for their health. And so sometimes I speak with doctors. that really didn't they don't believe this is like a like a flow. Even your doctor. Medical professionals are skeptical. This is actually a problem yet. It's a decision was in Moscow. When at beginning on the Marsh I was trying to explain very important because I'm reading the medical literature and I understood even at the beginning of March this very injuries for medical workers Butter the government and the Putin some other people. They said that I was making fake. News and May made me to go to the police station and So I know right. I know you were arrested. You were fined and You you became more politically involved with this issue. I know that you have support now. From Alexey novell Nian his opposition movement. You actually treated him as a patient. That's how you got to know him. But you are still a doctor are you. Are you comfortable with this new political role? You seem to have taken on as the head of this alliance of doctors or not doesn't matter for me doctor and I think that is very important Work I do now for the medical workers because fell. We will not tell the truth and to try to help these doctors to be safe and to have the opportunity to derive a WHO will do it except media except my organization. So I think that it's my how to say it's my My destiny to help WBZ DIVA. We will leave it. There appreciate speaking with you tonight. Thank you thank you sorry for my English. I'm sorry Mel Tala Gis thank you thank you bye bye bye. Dr Anesthesia. Vasilyeva is the president of the alliance of doctors a Russian Medical Union. We reached Dr Vasilyeva in Moscow. And you can find more on this story on our web page at CBC DOT CA slash. H Ooh they were there for peace but an antiwar demonstration at Kent State University turned deadly fifty years ago today when the Ohio National Guard opened fire and shot thirteen students. Four of whom died. Some of the students were protesting the US bombing of Cambodia in the Vietnam War. Others were just walking by or observing from a distance. None of those shot were armed. And yet officials have long claimed the guardsmen feared for their lives and were acting in self-defence eight of those former. National Guard troops were indicted by a grand jury on charges of wilful the assaulting the victims and depriving them of their civil rights but in nineteen seventy four. A judge dismissed those charges saying the prosecution's case was too weak at the time. Former as it happens host Barbara from spoke with Sarah shorter whose daughter Sandra was. One of the four students killed that day. Fifty years ago from our archives. Here's part of their conversation. Starting with his shoulders reaction to the trial shocked and stunned by the judge's action. So did the judge abort the proceedings did he cut them short. Yes after two guardsmen. Said that they actually did. Do the shooting off the trial because there isn't enough evidence so it really is a mockery of justice really one of the lawyers who represented you and the parents of the students killed. Did they not protest when the judge decided to call off the preceding fight them? It's over four years now and I think that People that you've been trying a long time to get this case heard. Haven't you believe there are so many different commissions and we don't have any anything left to hope for? Seems like they're trying to trying to protect the guilty ones. That's what's going on in this case Mrs Schreyer. What what have you been wanting to achieve? Thought there would be some hope of guests this but evidently there isn't what would you like to see? I'd like to find out what happened. Why my child was killed? Do Not know why. Now I don't. He wasn't throwing any stones. He was going to class walking with books in her hands. Not Stones in her hands. And that's what makes us so upset. We can't get over this thing that it was called off. Does it still seem worth pursuing? I don't know I just. We're disgusted with the whole thing. Seems like there isn't any justice just for some people the guards who were on trial saying that they feel vindicated. Now did you talk to any of them at the court? I wasn't afraid of what I would do if I had been there. And the thing that made me sick on television showed when the the guards were exonerated Acquitted rather they autograph those photos of the killing. Yes that's what happened. It made me sick. That they were there for evidence to the jury and when they were acquitted they autograph those photos. Live pictures of showing the shootings. And who is laying here? And who is laying there? And they autographed them from our Archives Barbara from speaking with Sarah. Show your back in nineteen seventy four messrs daughter. Sandra was one of four students killed in the Kent State shooting which happened. Fifty years ago today The theaters have closed. But the shell look I play me. Podcast is thrilled to present a new series. 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Making two other teams back in the early eighties was a very frustrated cubs fan and this was only a few years after curt flood in free agency so he made himself a free agent fan and shopped himself. Around other ball clubs. Okay what did he mean by that? Do you think I think he you know? Here's a decade of pent up frustration of the cubs. Being really bad. He would tell me you know they. They wouldn't even open the upper deck at Wrigley Field during that time period so I think he was just fed up and he offered to sign essentially a of of play for free as a Fan with any club. That would sign him. And how many clubs did he write to? I don't know for sure I suspect. And this is just kind of knowing him from other endeavors. He probably wrote every single one except for the cardinals and the white sox he would never offered his services to them under any circumstances. Okay now the fun thing is is that what you found are the letters back to him. responding to his offer to be a to be a free agent fan. And so when did you think when you found these letters so I I was going through a folder of his papers and things and here are these three letters there and I just Kinda saw the letterhead of a couple of major league ball teams and I started reading on then going well? These are just witty and fantastic and unique in their different ways and we just kind of past morale and and and got her laugh. And it's like that was so like my dad to do something like that But wow you know just The Expos one of the Guy. Essentially talking him off the ledge. Like No. You really don't want to do this. the one from the brewers wish the great line of if you think you're the reasons for the cubs travails that by all means root for the Yankees And then really. The the mariners wanted to me of just really saying no we're still player development and all of this stuff and given him that rejection Had some mariners fans react with me and they've said yeah that explains the mariners mentality to the states that. Let's start with that one because I wanted to tease out. Some other details with the Seattle mariners letter. Cut Back to your Donald He they say. Thank you for writing but You know when we reached the point that we are on the verge of going all the way a fan with your experience. Maybe what we need to put us over the top and at that time you can assure we will be interested in your services and forty years later. They still have never reached back so I guess it explains a lot. Let's I want to ask you about the Montreal. Expos one because he did. This is really very very clever. And they said that if I know anything about a longtime and loyal cub fan you will not only remain one you will withdraw from your free agency threat and rededicate yourself to the Chicago cubs. And if you don't the trauma you would suffer would imperil your sporting health. Seriously how how is it that he never told you that he was getting these letters? You know I think he he did this. You know at times when when the cubs would come in. And here's a new general manager and a new manager and there will be hope and it would never come to pass and so this was probably just is every four or five year routine thing and I am packing up his stuff. I didn't get a chance to go through all of it in such detail. So maybe there's more in there from other eras and things but I don't know you know can after I got to college. I you know. Visit him a couple times a year so it wasn't like we would go through memorabilia or and he may have even forgotten about eating a file. It must be gyms in those collections. But he he now. How does the question about how miserable life might have been for Chicago Cubs Fan Back? Then what what would what was it like? What was it like to to try and root for the cubs during that era? Well I mean I look back. My grandfather sold newspapers outside Wrigley Field to get in Games. My Dad You know it was here in going through that. I worked as a stringer every field when I was in graduate school. And I mean we're going on you know generational misery up until twenty sixteen. And you know that whole Steve Goodman Song Adine Cub Fan's last request. I mean to me just always sums up The cubs fans experience over the decade. And he certainly lived every minute that same way that that that song outlines but to actually ask the clubs if he can. That's quite a betrayal. Isn't it. Yeah I was seeing a Man. No true cubs fan would ever do that. And I'm like well. Yes understand the cubs of the seventies and they had just come off the nineteen sixties. Were they had Ernie banks in Ron Santo and Billy Williams Jenkins and hall of famers and really were just duds in the seventies silent. This of like just a decade of pent-up frustration. That finally came out in this form so he finally got his reward in two thousand sixteen and he was actually actually was starting to work at the stadium. Right is that the case. Yes when he retired. A friend of his encouraged him to apply for a job in stadium operations for the cubs. And he started doing that. And Yeah that's when they started to hit their stride. He works the World Series at Wrigley Field that season and then the cubs of bought a world series ring for every employee so he got one of those and was presented with Thad and he left it to my daughter. So yeah this. This story kind of has the ultimate reward especially going back to the expos letter if he truly stuck it out and and was certainly able to live that thing that so many cubs fans did not get to see in their lifetime. And here's just a blue collar guy from Chicago. Who was a fan and got to work there but now all of a sudden he's had an impact right. He's had an impact because of these letters Forty ago and got replies for and so for me. It's been therapeutic. It's just blown away that it has touched that many people and and he touched that many people that I would have never known otherwise don. It's a great story and That's great that you can have a tribute to your dad. Thanks for telling it to us. Now you're welcome. It's been great. Thanks Don Cost Alexa. Don Costello was a lifelong Chicago cubs. Fan He died in April. We reach Mr Kosta like in Chicago. And you can find more on this story on our webpage at CBC DOT CA slash A. H. COM eavesdropping. 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A Free Man | 1

The Mysterious Mr. Epstein

42:47 min | 1 year ago

A Free Man | 1

"The following episode contains descriptions of sexual violence and may not be suitable for everyone. Please see the episode notes for more information about support services services. It starts with a fourteen year. Oh girl with three hundred dollars in her purse. She's a freshman at Royal Palm Beach High School. She's only been student air a few months. When a girl she knows named Haley Haley tells her about a way to make some quick cash Haley Robson's a little older cousin of an ex boyfriend and she works as a waitress at a local olive garden one Sunday February two thousand five they get into Haley's pickup truck they drive down Okeechobee Boulevard which is lined with fast food restaurants strip malls and liquor stores and cross the bridge onto the island Palm Beach Royal Palm Highschool is in West Palm Beach. The island of Palm Beach on the other hand is one of the wealthiest zip codes in the United States to narrow strip of land sandwiched between the Atlantic Ocean and lake worth famous for its multimillionaires. There's and mansions private clubs like mar-a-lago and the golf courses that line its shores as Haley in the girl crossed the bridge from one world to the other. Haley tells answer about the guy she works for his name is Jeff then she adds. If Jeff Asks Your Age tell them you're eighteen they drive down a dead end street and park in front of a two story pink house and they walked down the driveway past a guard house through the kitchen door once inside the girl is offered a drink and introduced to a woman with blonde hair and that's when the girl loses track of Haley. She's lead upstairs into a bedroom which has a massage table. Both the girl will later describe the man who walks in as mid forties the long face bushy eyebrows and silver hair. Take off your clothes. He tells author sternly and he asked the girl to give him a massage. She's not sure how to react except to do what the man says when she tries to keep some of her clothes John Mann tells her to take off everything at the end the silver haired man hands her three hundred dollars and censor back downstairs where Haley waiting meeting after they've left girl tells Haley that the man asked her to give him a massage. I know Haley replies flatly. They go shopping together then drive back. Haul rumors are flying among the students at the high school that girls are being paid to perform formed sexual favors for a rich man in Palm beach a few days after the girls visit to the mansion. Another student school calls her a whore. The name calling turns into a fight and the fight lance both girls in the assistant principal's office when the administrator rummages through the girl's purse she finds three hundred dollars at first the girl won't say where the money came from but eventually she opens up to her parents and on March fifteenth two thousand five she and her parents don't speak with a detective from the Palm Beach Police Department slowly sometimes through tears the fourteen year old tells the detective her story from the description description of the man the house and that first name Jeff. The police think that they may know who the girl is talking about. He's a wealthy guy in Palm Beach. He's even donated money to the Palm Beach Police Department recently to help pay for much-needed new equipment. They played a photo of the man in a lineup. The girl points points to him right away. Jeffrey Epstein the police will conduct dozens more interviews like this as the investigation continues interviews with other a young women and other girls but this this is the first the first time the Palm Beach Police Department will speak with one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims and more women speak in the years to come. You're just thrown into a world that you don't understand and you. You're screaming on the inside and you don't know how to love. Had it come out that same night. Jeffrey Epstein is twelve hundred miles away at a charity benefit inside an old bank building has been converted into one of the most lavish events spaces in New York City Rod Stewart has performing in a photo taken that night epsteins wearing a double breasted navy jacket. A blue shirt. Put a gold watch with black leather band. He has his arm around a woman pulling her head toward his so that his smirking lips grazer temples. The smiling woman is delaying Ayn Maxwell who Epstein Calls his best friend Epstein is Tan and relaxed and as his eyes meet the camera. He looks like he doesn't have a care in the world and for a man who firmly believes that his wealth can solve any problem he faces. Perhaps he's right not to be worried. The mysterious Mr Epstein sponsored by net sweet before I was a fulltime podcast. I worked in analytical marketing. It was a good gig both creative and data driven and while I love the creative side in the end if you don't know your numbers you don't know your business but good. Lord is getting the right numbers hard legacy systems won't won't talk with cloud services half the department is working in rogue excel documents marketing inexplicably keeps formatting reports into PDF's. It's an inefficient mess. 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I'm Lindsey Graham Ram host of American scandal and this is the mysterious Mr Epstein and we have breaking news tonight about new women coming coming forward saying Jeffrey Epstein's sexually abused them when they were minors. Man Trump wants called a terrific guy back behind breaking news Jeffrey Epstein a multimillionaire not millionaire financier and accused sex trafficker is dead Jeffrey Epstein Jeffrey APPs Jeffrey Epstein Epstein Free Epstein Long before Epstein's gene dominated headlines as a sex trafficker of girls and young women he received a glowing reception in the highest reaches of American Society Epstein Form Business Relationships ships with billionaires and amassed a large fortune of his own beyond his home in Palm Beach. He owned a seven storey townhouse in New York City private island in the Caribbean and a ten thousand Acre Ranch New Mexico. He cultivated friendships with Ex. President Bill Clinton and Future President Donald Trump Nobel prize winners praised him into the press as brilliant and fun charming and handsome when Epstein died in a New York jail this summer. He left behind many unanswered questions. This is a six part series that uses original interviews we've conducted and brings together extensive research and reporting to tell the complete story of how the wealthy financier zere accused of financial and sexual crimes was able to elude justice from his first as as a young man on Wall Street until the very end. This is episode one a free man. It's the morning of March twenty second two thousand seventeen on Capitol Hill in Washington. DC President trump has been in office two months and a Senate committee has gathered to question his nominee for secretary of labor. Alexander Kosta Kosta is in his late forties a former US attorney for southern Florida. He has a receding hairline and a wide mouth. He's wearing the dark suit that standard issue for a man appearing before a Congressional Committee a committee that holds the fate of his confirmation in its hands nearly two hours pass more or less amicably trump has had some controversial traverse cabinet picks what a Consta- is not considered one of them until senator. Tim Kaine takes his turn to address a cost fair committee needs to ask about and I think you're entitled to respond to article. That appeared in the Washington Post Online version last night and this morning Labor nominee hoste cut deal with billionaire guilty and the sex abuse case the billionaire Jeffrey Epstein there was once a time before the investigations before the sexual abuse conviction when rich and famous men love love to hang around with Jeffrey Epstein a billionaire money manager who loved to party president trump augustine a terrific guy by Senator Kaine asks the cost of why he didn't Indict Epstein nearly early ten years ago when these accusations first surfaced and there's an allegation that I just read that you did not pursue a federal indictment even though your staff afh advocated that you do so is that accurate that is not accurate. Let Me let me address the in I can't discuss thus the details of the case but let me take generally it is pretty typical in prosecution cain keeps pressing and he wants to know why a Kosta instead negotiated a sweetheart deal for Epstein without his victims even knowing about it. Was that a consensus decision in your office. It was a broadly held decision. I I'm over my time Mr Chair and all the exchange between the senator and it cost last a little more more than seven minutes and it's the only time Epstein is mentioned in the confirmation hearing a Costa's confirmed as Secretary of Labor back and Florida reporter at the Miami Herald has been following the hearing closely as a cost dodges. The Questions About Epstein Julie K Brown is a longtime reporter at the Herald. She's in her mid fifties and has shoulder length blonde hair. She's equal parts warm and tenacious when when she was starting out as a reporter or nickname was the slapper because she would ask the same question a dozen times until she got an answer. Brown believes is that with a Costa's rise to national prominence it may be worth digging deeper into exactly how Jeffrey Epstein managed to Avoid Prosecution back in Florida in the mid two thousands. Brown has the support of her editor Casey. Frank Frank is a longtime editor at the paper who oversees the investigation department he assured graying rang hair and the Tan skin of a lifelong Floridian they'd recently worked together on a series about the sexual abuse of prisoners and this made her interested in the subject check of human trafficking and an especially sexual trafficking of women and so that led her to research reached the case of Jeffrey Epstein and a more she poked around the more she decided to approach it kind of like a police coal K. squad so brown begins the long long process of tracking down epsteins victims most of whom were minors at the time of the incidents and she dug in burrowed in pulled all sorts of records records but the key was that she was able to identify the victims of Mr Epstein who of course are not named in in court documents. She was able to get some of them to talk to her. Which nobody had done it takes nearly a year ear but brown identifies around eighty women who all say they are epsteins victims she contract down about sixty of them and finally eight of them agree talk. Previously really nobody cared what these women had to say there. insights were ignored as the the feds and then the state made made this case go away. Frank says this is the moment when he was sure something would come of her efforts when women started speaking to us and that took a lot of courage by by those women. We knew we had a story in. There was no stopping it. They have a story but one crucial element is still missing. Who knows what really happened. The former Palm Beach Police chief who gathered the evidence including thirty seven victims former Palm Beach Police chief Michael Writer oversaw the investigation into Epstein back in two thousand five by the time Julie Brown is working on her story. He's retired when she tries to interview writer her about the case. He's not interested in talking. He says the Herald probably won't have the guts to publish the story on the Epstein Investigation Anyway. Finally Brown ask her editor to see if he might have better luck. Casey Frank goes to Reiner. I talked to him and I said number one. I've been here thirty thirty odd years and we don't Perry stories number two We don't get intimidated by influential people whether it's Mr Epstein or anybody else it's number three. If somebody were to say that we can't run this story and I felt it was a story I would quit wit and I meant it. Franks assurances work. The former police chief opens up about the case and once he starts talking it turns turns out. Writer has a lot to say about how the Florida Prosecution handled the case against Jeffrey Epstein the mysterious Mr Epstein is sponsored by ziprecruiter hiring can be a slow process cafe alterra. 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That's ZIPRECRUITER DOT COM slash A. S. ziprecruiter dot com slash. As ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire it spring two thousand five when the Palm Beach Police Department I here's about Jeffrey Epstein assault of the fourteen year old student at Royal Palm Highschool Palm Beach Police chief Michael Writer and his officers launch a full investigation and they find a lot of evidence. The officers sirs go through epsteins trash. They find a note with the girl's name on it and date that matches the date. She told police she went to the mansion. The police track down the young recruiter Haley Robson the one who works at the Olive Garden. They learned she makes money by bringing girls to Epstein. She says that Epstein told her quote. The a younger the better they find similarities among the stories they hear the girls are young from challenging backgrounds in are usually approached by a friend telling them. There's a way they can make some easy money each time. The girls are taken to Epstein's Palm Beach Mansion brought through the side door into the kitchen itchen and offered something to drink then they are led upstairs has walls crowded with photographs of naked young girls and into a room with plush carpeting in a memorable pink and green couch there they meet Jeff for a massage. Jeff escalates the massage into a sexual encounter offering more money the more the girls are willing to do one of those girls. Virginia Roberts would later tell the Miami Herald in documentary commentary they produced the training started immediately. I mean it was everything down to how to give a blowjob how to be quiet. Be Subservient Rian telling you I want it this way. No go slower and don't do that and do this. One Girl Tells Police that Epstein raped her apologized after the fact act and gave her one thousand dollars under Florida law the age of consent eighteen it is not legally possible for a fourteen or sixteen year oh girl to consent to any of these acts with an adult Epstein sage paying a minor for these acts is child sex trafficking at nine thirty in the morning on October twentieth two thousand five the Palm Beach Police arrive at Epstein's scenes pink mansion on El Burrito Way. They're here to execute a search warrant. Take a video camera with them. Go through the House as they walked silently from room to room. They point the camera in all directions zooming in to capture odd details. One of the first things the camera notices is the computer that seems to have habits hard-drive ripped out the camera goes up a staircase covered with pink carpeting zooms in on a framed black and white shot intertwined air limbs then then it finds a picture of a nude young girl shot from behind bent over for the camera. The camera finds more nude photos of young women and girls in the next room then another room and another. Some of the photos are of girls. They've interviewed and these photos hang alongside a very different kind of photo Epstein hosing with famous men including Fidel Castro Pope John Paul the second in the bathrooms police find soaps shaped like Genitalia Kalia and sex toys called twin torpedoes. They see the distinctive pink and green couch. Some of the girls described from their assaults and they find notepads with girls phone numbers and appointment times on the desk in the bedroom. There's a transcript for student at Royal Palm Highschool Jeffrey Epstein Learns. He's being investigated in late two thousand five. He makes a call to a lawyer. He knows not just any lawyer. Alan Dershowitz is a Harvard law school professor who's represented many famous and controversial clients including OJ Simpson. He's famously combated with the threat of charges looming at seen Dershowitz to join his defense and Dershowitz agrees but Epstein doesn't stop there he assembles a legal team that includes food some of the biggest names in the profession including high-powered DC lawyer Jay Lefkowitz and Kenneth Starr the former special prosecutor who oversaw the investigation Asian into Bill Clinton Hart Epstein's lawyer strategy is simple investigate and discredit the teenage accusers they hire private investigators to follow the victims uh-huh and their families they comb through the girls my space pages looking for references to drugs and alcohol to further their side of the case. The police were closely with a Palm Beach State Attorney's Office on what the Charges Against Epstein ought be at first state prosecutor seems gung. Ho about bringing Epstein down but then something thing changes chief writer learns that the State Attorney now wants to strike a deal with Epstein Five Years Probation Psychiatric evaluation no okay criminal record and no jail time writer and his deputies can't believe it they respond by filing an affidavit that argues there sufficient cause to charge Epstein with felonies that could mean years in prison writer delivers. The affidavit to the State Attorney's office attaching a letter drives the point home. It is regrettable. I am forced to communicate in this manner but my most recent telephone calls to you have been unanswered. Messages remained unreturned must urge you to examine the unusual. Course that your office's. Office's handling of this matter has taken and consider if good and sufficient reason exists to require your disqualification from the prosecution of these cases the affidavit David does its job and sinking the plea deal but it doesn't stop the State Attorney's Office from going easy on Epstein chief writers furious he decides to notify the Federal Government about the case he calls the FBI and encourages them to look into Epstein it works from there it lands on the desk of the US attorney any for southern Florida a thirty eight year old prosecutor named Alex Acosta the cost and his team take all the evidence and prepare fifty three page indictment of Epstein on sex trafficking charges Epstein faces life in prison but as the heralds Julie Brown and her editor Casey Frank will later uncovered uncovered Mr Epstein legal team they had contacts at the highest levels of the Justice Department in Washington Washington and and they could induce those people to send the word down to the US attorney Alexander Kosta and his subordinates to go easy on Mr Epstein and that's precisely what they did at the time a causes. This is a rising star with promising career. He later say in an interview that he found his career was at stake but Dershowitz would brag. We out lawyer him. Everything was kept on the down low and it was done so deliberately and at the behest of the defense team. How do we know that because we obtained pained the emails and other correspondence between a defense team in US Attorney's office and it was quite clear that the defense team name was pushing the feds harder and harder to do it their way bright and early one October morning in two thousand seven Evan Akasa drives to the West Palm Beach Marian seventy miles from the US attorney's office Miami? He's there to meet one of scenes attorneys. Jay lefkowitz left wits and a Kosta once worked for the same powerful. DC Law Firm and over breakfast they discuss away for Epstein to avoid prosecution entirely left. Goi- later writes in email to Acosta documenting what they discussed. Thank you for the commitment you made to me. During our October twelfth meeting. You assured me that your office would knock contact any of the identified individuals potential witnesses or potential civil claimants and the respective council in this matter in fact the herald will later find an incredible level of cooperation between the prosecutor's office and the legal team of the man they were prosecuting as his lawyers are battling the charges behind the scenes. Jeffrey Epstein sits down for a rare interview with Philip Weiss reporter from New York magazine Epstein Abstain Strolls in a half hour late and the first thing he says to Weiss's heavy managed to talk to many of my friends epsteins given him the phone numbers of scientists Wall Wall Street types and media figures who can vouch for him. You understand what extraordinary group of people they are what they have accomplished in their fields. Weiss knots for New York magazine exist want to write a story about a secret of Genius Epstein Smiles Not Secretive private. If I was a genius I wouldn't be sitting here. Story About Guy was sex issues. What do you mean by sex issues. Well never married. You channeling my mother. It's the story someone who flies to close to the sun. Epstein replied coolly diggers like massages in fact epsteins love of massages. ASSANGE is is part of his legal defense his lawyers tell the prosecutors in an email and this is a quote. Mr Epstein is very passionate about massages. The massages are therapeutic and spiritually sound for him. That is why he has had many massages emailed arguments like that appear to be working because both both sides. It seems want Epstein to get away with the lightest of risk slaps. epsteins lawyers don't want him charged with a sex crime. The line prosecutor in a cost is his office replies that she's been spending some quality time with title eighteen looking for misdemeanors epsteins lawyers right back that they're already thinking about the same statutes shoots later at scenes lawyers decide. They don't want his victims or the press appearing at the sentencing. Hearing prosecutors have a solution for that too on unavoidably press note. I can file a charge in district court in Miami which will hopefully cut the press coverage significantly. Do you want to check that out. In the end. epsteins abstains lawyers get what they're after a non-prosecution agreement. Epstein any alleged co conspirators will get immunity from any federal charges most shocking talking of all they get assurances that the deal would be completely taken care of before any of the victims are notified. This is not just unusual. It's illegal to make a deal like this without giving the victims a chance to weigh in there are very serious lingering questions about what exactly actly prompted Alexander Kosta than the US Attorney for southern Florida to agree to such an odd had non-prosecution agreement and especially why he would agree to keep that agreement secret from Tom the victims in late June two thousand eight Jeffrey Epstein lazing around and Little Saint Jeff's his seventy eight acre private island in the US Virgin Islands when he gets a call from his lawyer. Time has come he spends the weekend packing and flies the Palm Beach leaving behind his seventy person staff and the Flamingo's the populate his private lagoon on Monday. Epstein finally has his day in court but his victims do not true to his word. A cost hasn't informed them of the Plea Agreement Epstein had faced the prospect of life in federal prison now how he pleads guilty to one St Count of Solicitation of prostitution and one count of solicitation of prostitution with a minor when they allowed what Mr Epstein to plead to two very minor charges which were basically the equivalent of going down to the red light district and hiring a a woman who was on a street corner and that is not what this is Jeffrey Epstein sentenced to eighteen months in a Florida jail but even in his punishment Epstein will find a way to bend the justice system to his will the mysterious Mr Epstein is sponsored by threat up a new outfit can make you feel like a new person but sometimes a person with a dent dent in your Wallet High Quality High Fashion Clothes are expensive and if you've got kids like me. 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I M E thread dot com slash enemy for an extra thirty percent off today terms apply from wondering the makers of the mysterious. Mr Epstein comes uh-huh Joe Exotic the second season of over my dead body this season of over my dead body follows Joe Exotic a local celebrity known for his collection of exotic like animals at his roadside zoo in Oklahoma but joe has a rival Carol Baskin and though they both loved big cats they hate each other and are hell bent on destroying throwing one another at any cost stay tuned till the end of this episode for a preview of over my dead body Joe Exotic and don't forget to subscribe to Joe Exotic on Apple podcasts or wherever you're listening to this right now in June two thousand eight Jeffrey Epstein begins his jail term what he doesn't have to serve it in a prison prison instead. He's under the custody of the sheriff's Office in the Palm Beach County stockade on the day of obscene sentencing a captain in the sheriff's department sends is an email to his colleagues. Epstein is poorly versed in jail routine society and his adjustment to incarceration will most likely be atypical for the time being. I'm I am authorizing that his cell door be left unlocked and he'd be given liberal access to the attorney room where a TV will be installed during his plea negotiations Epstein with the help help with his lawyers created a brand new charity. The Florida Science Foundation it has cushy offices in West Palm Beach and Epstein filed a request with the sheriff's office US for work release. He claims he needs to be at the foundation's offices Monday. Through Saturday to fulfill his responsibilities as the head of the foundation which consist of finding any worthy causes to fund sheriff's Office Grants Epstein Work Release Privileges for his entire sentence. He's permitted to leave the jail for up to twelve hours a day day. Six days a week chauffeured back and forth by his private driver Costa's office catches win the work release and complains to the sheriff besides the fact that Epstein shall be eligible for work release in the first place because of the charge of soliciting a minor causes team lays out all the ways epsteins employment was clearly arose but the Sheriff Ignores Causes Complaints and allows Epstein to continue the work release program APP Scenes Foundation Pays One hundred twenty eight thousand thousand dollars directly to the Palm Beach Sheriff's department a tax deductible donation to cover the cost of the plain clothes guards to accompany him most days during this period epsteins allowed to go home to his mansion several times after serving thirteen months of his eighteen month sentence time when essentially he only was jailed to sleep. Pat Knight Epstein is released while he does have to register as a sex offender moves back into his mansion. He gets back to business. Within a few years years. The arrest and his jail time will be little more than an asterisk at the time of his jail sentence and some of these details are known to the public but many are not and won't be for another decade not until the Miami Herald publishes its investigation in two two thousand Eighteen Julie K. Brown tries to interview abstain numerous times for her story but he ignores her requests. After nearly two years reporting Julie Early K. Brown's three part series on epsteins victims and the inside story of his sweetheart deal goes live on the Herald's website on November twentieth two thousand eighteen the the series is called Perversion of Justice Brown her editor Casey Frank and their colleagues track the articles progress on a digital board in the newsroom. Trim looks like almost like a tote board at a racetrack and the Jeffrey Epstein Story was stuck at number two do on our traffic board and it was behind the number one story which was a crazy absurd little the thing about a woman passing gas and a bar and somebody getting upset with her and her pulling pulling a knife on that person but has cable news and other outlets start talking about the series it hits number one from that point on it just took cloth like a racket and it never really subsided and the impact of the Herald piece wasn't only measured by readership and website traffic traffic. It's April third two thousand nineteen on Capitol Hill in Washington DC nearly five months since the Herald story was published Secretary of Labor Alex Kosta appears before members of Congress in a House subcommittee hearing. There's a far different feeling than at his nomination hearing two years earlier earlier Representative Katherine Clark of Massachusetts Lays into a Costa whose responsibilities as part of the president's cabinet now include combating sex extravagant Epstein and his friends destroyed. These girls lives senator. Ben Sasse called Mr Epstein a monster. Would you say that's a fair characterization. he engaged in file crimes. Yes you're law professor besides many of your other jobs that you've you've had and I'm sure you know there's no such thing as child prostitution under federal law only child sex trafficking and each offense. It's under eighteen. USC Fifteen Ninety one carries a sentence ranging from ten years to life in prison so logically Mr Epstein team with the investigation of the federal. US Attorney's office should have been looking at potential sentence of three hundred and sixty years at a minimum but that's that's not what happened because there was a power dynamic here wasn't there and then on July eighth at a press conference in New York City spurred on by the heralds reporting good morning. I'm Jeff Berman United States attorney for the Southern District of your today we announced unsealing of sex trafficking. Kim Charges Against Jeffrey Epstein the US Attorney stands beside a poster board with Jeffrey Epstein's Mugshot and the words US versus Jeffrey Epstein Epstein was arrested this past Saturday evening a Peterborough airport aboard his private jet that had just landed from Paris France France Epstein was taken to the Metropolitan Correctional Center and Manhattan this time no one is going to allow Epstein to leave to jail for twelve hours a day. The United States Attorney's office. We'll take the position that Epstein should be detained pending trial four days after that beset by more questions about his role in the Epsteins non-prosecution deal secretary of Labor Alex Kosta joins President President Trump on the White House lawn for trump orders helicopter and I look forward. I do not think right meant bear predicament great the Labor Department to have seen as the focus rather than the incredible economy that we have today and so I called the president's affording I in writing step aside yes. I did have a falling out a long time ago. reason doesn't make any difference frankly but I haven't spoken to him in probably probably fifteen years or more. I wasn't a big fan of Jeffrey Vinik. There's no no way that he would have been arrested. There's no way that Mr Kosta would have lost shop. None of this would have happened if not for the work of Julie Brown as Epstein finally faced justice. His life comes under more scrutiny than ever. There's a lot still to be learned. There's a lot still to be investigated and and we're not done and anybody who thinks this story is over with his insane. The layers of his past we'll be peeled away including the mystery of how exactly he managed to achieve his wealth and how he was able to fill up his little black book with the names and numbers so some of the world's most powerful people very simple question who is Jeffrey Epstein who is Jeffrey Epstein who is in his inner circle and has been for the years. I had a falling falling out with them a long time ago. I don't think spoken to him for fifteen years. The mystery Jeffrey Epstein's wealth has never been been clear. He started out as adults and teacher the teacher at the private school in Manhattan Fats on the next episode of the Mysterious Mr Epstein in this has been part one of six of the mysterious Mr Epstein on the next episode. We'll look at Epstein's origins from modest this beginnings in Brooklyn to Wall Street millions and if you like stories of far-reaching scandals listen and subscribe to my series American scandal where we tell the stories from the the Enron financial fiasco to the Eliot Spitzer political drama. This story is about power abuse and manipulation. If you'd like to help us spread the word please give us a five star review and tell your friend subscribe we are available on Apple podcasts spotify cast box and every major listening APP as well as one dot com this series stories deals with issues of sexual violence if you or someone you know is a victim of sexual assault reach out for help in the US. You can contact the national sexual assault hotline. I calling one eight hundred six five six hope that's one eight hundred six five six four six seven three or you can chat anonymously the hotline staffer by messaging the Rape Abuse Abuse and incest national network. That's online dot R. A. I N. 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They can get a little great year round here but for all his swagger Joe is afraid not of the lions or the alligators but if something else or someone this dumb down in Florida some bits down in Florida Carol Baskin Interro Baskin Down here in Tampa Florida. She's a sick bench chewing carol both love exotic animals but there's not not much else they agree on and their feud is pushing them to their limits me one in the basket better then we'll seamy face to face ver ver tired of this shit from wondering the network behind dirty John and and Dr Death the hit series over my dead body returns season to Joe Exotic a story about two people who wants to save animals and destroy each other now put him six feet onto the ground. I questioned scale. Bash can really powerful you really gotta call me back. Here's actually talking about pain someone to kill. You tried to get me to do it. 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Day 1,223: Biden blasts mask averse Trump as a 'fool' as U.S. deaths near 100,000

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,223: Biden blasts mask averse Trump as a 'fool' as U.S. deaths near 100,000

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We've been on the precipice of that gruesome benchmark of one hundred thousand deaths in this country as of this hour. Ninety nine thousand six hundred thirty eight Americans have died of the corona virus. All the lives lost have been lost in twelve weeks time and amid the loss the president remains focused on moving the country further along on what he likes to call reopening and today predicted. We would soon see breakthroughs in treatment. Think we're going to have therapeutic remedies. I think we're GONNA have vaccines very shortly. I've been saying it very shortly. I think I'll be proven correct. We're safely reopening country. While aggressively protecting the vulnerable meantime the presumptive Democratic nominee. Joe Biden did weigh in on the pandemic death toll this afternoon with his own assessment of trump's response hundred thousand deaths hundred thousand deaths at least thirty five thousand fifty thousand were avoidable but for lack of attention and Ego Columbia studies showing that we could have. If you just started a week earlier going to save thousands of lives. These are these. This is a tragedy former vice president interviewed by Dana Bash on CNN earlier today trump did seek to defend his handling of the virus even amid this escalating death toll quote. If I hadn't done my job well and early we would have lost one and a half to two million people as opposed to the one hundred thousand plus. That looks like we'll be the number. That's fifteen to twenty times more than we will lose. I acted very quickly and made the right decisions even as we try to get back to life as we knew it Kobe. Nineteen cases are tonight in the rise. In those red states. There are over a dozen of them. The entire southeast has become its own. Hotspot this holiday weekend. Large crowds gathered at a number of places across our country including of the ozarks in Missouri. Where officials have had to warn those who visited. Lake of the ozarks to quarantine for two weeks or until they have tested negative for the virus. Now that they're back home at the White House. Trump was asked for his reaction to the scene. I'm sure you saw the images from over the weekend of people out on Memorial Day weekend. They were crowding. Pools crowding boardwalks. Do you have any message for those people always be safe. You WANNA be safe. We're opening up but you want to be safe. Meanwhile the CDC offering new and updated guidance on antibody test to us to discover. If someone has already had the virus recovered the agency says the test might be wrong up to half the time and that they're not accurate enough to us to make important policy decisions like whether to return to work or school all but ignored amid the noise this weekend. The President President called for schools to reopen though parents school districts and the calendar get to determine that even amid the continuing health crisis. Trump is ramping up another giant distraction using missed truths and made up assertions to try to discredit voting by mail in our country. Why should somebody who is afraid of getting corona virus going to public places standing in line etc? Why should they not? Why should they not be allowed to to mail in when you do all mail in voting ballots you're asking for fraud people steal them out of mailboxes? People printed them and then they sign them and they give him in that. The people don't even know what they're double-counted people take away. They force people to vote they harvest. You know what harvesting is they take many many ballots and they put them all together and then they just dump them and nobody has any idea whether they're crooked or not. We're not gonNA destroy this country by allowing things like that to happen. We're not destroying country. This has more to do with an honesty and really our country itself because when that starts happening you don't have a fair. You have a rig system you have a rigged system no evidence to support any of those contentions trump also has been spreading falsehoods on social media. Although starting late this afternoon twitter started adding links to fact. Check the post by the president. Tonight trump responded with this accusation quote. Twitter is now interfering in the two thousand presidential election. Twitter is completely stifling. Free speech and I as president will not allow it to happen. Finally there's this exchange at the White House today. It touches on several topics. It nicely sums up the president's thinking and his choice of words on the topic of face coverings for starters but also trump's continued public trafficking in a debunked conspiracy theory involving a host on this network. Mr President to questions about a couple of things. You've tweeted about in the last few days where you meaning to criticize Vice President Biden for wearing a mask yesterday. And can you explain why you've been tweeting about a conspiracy theory that has been proven to not be true? Nobody can wear a mask but he was standing outside with his wife. Perfect conditions perfect weather there inside. They don't wear masks and so I thought it was very unusual that he had one on but I thought that was fine. I was in criticizing him at all. Why would I ever do a thing like that? And your second question was I couldn't hear you. Can you take it up because I cannot speak louder because you WANNA be politically correct? Had NO SIR. Just one or the The second question was about your tweets about the woman who died who. You're suggesting that Joe Scarborough was responsible. A lot of people suggest that and Hopefully someday people are going to find out certainly very suspicious situation. Very Sad. Very sad and very suspicious question. Please asked you not to tweet. The president will. Have you seen the letter that was written by her husband? Begging twitter to delete your tweets talking about how hard it's been for his family for him to deal with them sure that ultimately they want to get to the bottom of it and it's a very serious situation. I also saw a clip with With Joe and Imus where they were having a lot of fun at her expense and I thought it was totally inappropriate. Now it's very suspicious thing and help somebody gets to the bottom of it. It'll be a very good thing is you know there's no statute of limitations so it would be a very good very good thing to do. That's how conspiracy theories get perpetuated here for our leadoff discussion on a Tuesday night Phil Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning White House. Bureau chief for The Washington Post Co author along with his post colleague Carolina the bestseller a very stable genius Robert Costa National Political Reporter for the Washington Post also happens to be moderator of Washington Week on PBS and Dr Kavita Patel former senior aide in the Obama White House advising on Health Reform Financial Regulatory Reform and economic recovery issues also happens to be a clinical physician and among our medical contributors and Dr Indeed. I would like to begin with you in your line of work. Do you look for and almost predict hotspots that stem from large gatherings? Let's take lake of the ozarks a place where I've been many times and have enjoyed many times. It draws people from all over Missouri parts of Kansas and other places as well are there now worries that the people who were together if among them was one positive case about where they went home to and who they've had contact with absolutely Brian. It is actually a kind of a classic equation for public health crisis crowded spaces even though you're outside where the air circulation is obviously better. You're still kinda close connected and if you're talking to each other which they clearly were even shouting you can have respiratory droplets and and it's not just one person to one as you alluded to. It's one to several. Which is exactly what we're afraid of. We know this virus is pretty infectious. So it's a setup for disaster. Unfortunately just sets a precedent. Brian this is okay. And we want people to reopen and come out safely. But that's the key words safely and I think consistency is key masks hand hygiene some distance and those pictures. Just violate all of those those dacians and Dr other than the feeling of a sharp blow to the chest to all of us who were born with feelings what is the importance to you of this awful milestone that we may pass into while we're on the air tonight of one hundred thousand souls lost yet now. Thanks for taking the time and it's been important to acknowledge where we are. It's it's not only deeply personal to all of us Americans but especially as healthcare workers. I've had colleagues who have passed and think all of us know somebody was been affected by this and it could have been preventable as I think. Vice President Biden alluded to in. That's probably stings. The most and I I just hope that our country unites and tries to actually do what we can't protect each other. We've been trying for the last three months and I hope we can continue into the summer months Phil Rucker. We heard the president straight up there. say the wearing of masks mask on the part of journalists was political correctness. What of his behavior do you think is directly attributable to this terrible milestone that we are about to pass and are they going to let it pass unmarked at the White House so far Brian it. It has an unmarked at the White House. And we've seen the president about only not really talk about the death toll over time but in fact create other new stories the distract from From the climbing deaths to create other headlines that will draw attention away from the hundred thousand from the debunked conspiracy theory about Joe. Scarborough to the discussion about mass. To some strange comments he made in the Rose Garden today that insulin and whether he himself might take them to any number of of attacks that he launched on twitter over the weekend you know speaks to a president who's under siege and who's not really able to handle this bad news this onslaught of bad news that's continued for the last three or four months as the the number reaches asked one hundred thousand. This week You know telling the see what the president's focus is GonNa be at Florida tomorrow for space. Shuttle Launch Aligned masts spatial company which is exciting and a great visit for the president It is not a way to mark the death toll just for the record the quote about insulin. Today this is from the president quote. I don't use insulin should I be? Then he says I never thought about it. He was later asked about it and had the surgeon general. Come up and in a roundabout way. He later said that a healthy human bodies create their own. Insulin and someone without diabetes would not need to inject it Robert Costa. I don't mean to take you into analysis but was it a given that the wearing of masks and face coverings would be calm not in all places or in all ways yet. Another red and blue issue in this country that question. Brian is also tied to your comment about insulin. Because you see inside of this White House at this moment a politicization of so many different issues. A president who spent April in some ways more focused on the pandemic now is all on his own campaign being told by his aides that the polls don't look good and many swing states and so he's gone from in many of his advisors to have gone from focusing so much on the pandemic focusing on how to revive its presidential campaign prospects and that's changed everything about how this administration respond in terms of making a political and cultural war over the mass and tangling with reporters about it to continuing to reopen. The country encouraged that despite the death toll nearing one hundred thousand and the President. Has Phil said so? Well looking for distractions a different grievances. Different targets anything but talking about the day to day health economic issues that are facing this nation and even the insulin event was political and part. I'm told by my sources in the sense that he was trying to appeal to senior voters with that event because he sees his numbers with senior voters. Going Down Dr Patel indeed. Let's try to put the public back in public health. Where's the information? Why has the Task Force Ben Silent? Are we under vague? Orders to continue mitigation while all hopes are now shifted and focused on vaccine. That's great question one that unfortunately all local officials in states in employers schools. Churches are being forced to try to deal with themselves. We are not getting the clear guidance. We're hearing things like while we hope Americans just stay safe but we need to have just very clear direction and leadership which is exactly what we've been asking for during a crisis. Now you do have. Unfortunately you know governors in adjacent states offering different. On different guidance you have local health authorities then have a huge burden on their shoulders but ultimately Brian as you're seeing now you've got restaurants. Small businesses and people are trying to do the right thing but they have the unmandated The they have the burden that they never intended for and unfortunately will have continue to bear the responsibility up Phil Rucker. The president accusing twitter of stifling free speech saying he won't allow that to happen. Can HE INVADE TWITTER? A or B. Is it more likely that he will sign onto some twitter Jason Product and try to foment competition her controversy? There may be an option. Lebron although it'd be interesting to see what a military base social media platform it looked like a but look the president. I think is unlikely to leave twitter Only because been his favourite platform for years. Now and it's been a place for has found a lot of political success by galvanizing his supporters. There so I assume he's going to continue to use it as his own town square That said you know he's creating a foil here In twitter for his reelection campaign is going to be running against The twitter police in saying they're trying to To stifle his free speech to Edit his commentary and I think that's another thing he can talk about on the campaign trail the his supporters That creates idea that you know all of them. Everybody out. In the country against the elite in the people in charge of the institutions with power and that was so successful as a political ingredient for the president in two thousand sixteen and he's trying to recapture that feeling again in twenty twenty. And finally Mr Kosta. Because we're in a political world. Let's talk about the transition to greatness. That has kind of unintended sub meeting. That were not great right now. Can Greatness be achieved without another trunch of economic aid? And how is it all going to fly if you have an hour after your name on a ballot in November right? Now based on my latest reporting and congressman remains deadlocked when it comes to coming up with any kind of stimulus package the so called phase four you have. Republicans like Larry Cudlow. The president want to see the payroll tax cut. Different kinds of tax breaks and Democrats are looking for more money for states and you see the president at every every turn fighting with democratic governors in blue states threatening maybe even to move the Democratic the Republican convention from North Carolina. Which is a democratic governor. And Roy Cooper and so there's no real answer or clarity at this moment about what? The economic answer is in the big divide in this country and candidates note. What on both sides is between Main Street and Wall Street Wall? Street's feeling pretty good. The stock market is up yet. Unemployment is so high and how that plays out politically be something on. Everyone's mind in the coming months a mess. It'll do till the mess gets here. Phil Rucker Robert Costa Dr Kavita Patel. Our thanks to our big three to start us off tonight and coming up. Las Vegas is about to find out who really wants to gamble and later four officers fired the FBI is now investigating the death of a black man in Minneapolis. Who was heard on camera saying he couldn't breathe. That was right before he died in the street with a knee on his neck. All of that is the eleventh hour is just getting underway on this Tuesday night. Nevada's casinos are preparing to reopen as early as next week. Some of the casino owners on the Strip have been more eager than others to reopen. And while even those of us who love that town can't quite imagine social distancing on the Strip at night or on the casino floors. The beating heart of Vegas is hospitality industry. It's the biggest industry in the state of Nevada and in something of an irony tonight. The Governor canceled his in-person press conference out of caution because he recently visited a workplace where there was a covert positive case to talk about all of it. We welcome back to our broadcast. John Ralston veteran newspaper journalist. Who is the founder and editor of the Nevada independent? We have also asked Dr Kavita Patel to stick around for this topic as it is truly public health. John You tell us how is this? GonNa Work Management telling the unions. What are the unions telling their employees? Who's GONNA get tested? How often how of they figured out a craps table? How have they figured out a roulette wheel of any of it? Can I answer just as many of those questions as I want and I pick and choose Brian? What are the rules here sure? So here's the here's what here's what's going to happen and this is this is the real issue is that nobody knows it's interesting. You mentioned the unions. Because they're not they're not buying into what? This plan is for the casinos to reopen a June fourth without more protections for their workers. The governor's you mentioned canceled. That press briefing but just as you came to me. He released his prepared remarks. And he's going to have a press briefing in a few minutes of a because of my loyalty to Brian Williams. I'm here telling you what those remarks are and letting US letting my reporters cover that briefing. He is going to say that. The Gaming Control Board which regulates gaming in this state is going to present guidelines. Tomorrow we already pretty much know. What those guidelines are Brian. And they're what you might expect social distancing so many people in the place at one time they're going to have thermal monitoring but ask yourself this question. Just leave you with this for for for the first part of this Brian. It's going to be one hundred ten in Vegas in the summer. You Walk into a casino your temperatures going to be up. They're going to then have to test you again and find you and see if your temperature is still up in so let me let me end where I began. Nobody really knows how this is going to work. But all of the casinos are preparing to reopen the APP to present plans to the Gaming Control Board. And if they fit those guidelines. It's going to be come to Vegas next Thursday and Dr Patel if you were health commissioner in the city of Las Vegas. What would you want to see? What what standard would you ask to be met before people from all over the world came into these casinos and before all of these employees the beating heart of Las Vegas? They all have to go home from their jobs to their families. Is there anything that we don't know yet but new you raised it correctly? I think there's a lot that we don't know and for that very reason if I were in charge of that covid response I would want pretty i. I would actually want what we call tabletop exercises kind of doing almost a run through of what e- scenarios would look like because it's true we've got hundred degree plus weather and we already know the temperature monitoring alone is not enough. Were already think. Cdc DIDN'T WANNA do it at airports that such a minimal screening requirement. So I would actually encourage that. We have as many exercises to actually scenario plan and primarily focused on keeping people safe. You mentioned it. It's worldwide destination and I would argue that Las Vegas has been successful in keeping at least it's case down because it simply closed down the casinos. So you would have to number one kind of run through the traps of what could go wrong because it will go wrong and the number to think about how you could approach. This incrementally very cautiously. We're talking you know. Ten percent of the space occupied. Because if one thing happens you have to start back from zero and I think that needs to be the mental mindset for all that casinos and John. Here's the problem where the rubber meets the road. We already know not. Everyone's going to want to wear a mask. We already know. Las Vegas is a big town. With small interactions tipping the Bellman tipping the valet tipping the cocktail waitress ordering from the cocktail waitress ordering at dinner. Buff as make the city around you. Tell me how any of these transactions are going to happen in this new era. Well the mask wearing is an interesting one brian. They're gonNA be required to wear masks. All the staff will be and the real question is Kenya. Four scheduled to wear masks and will they abide by that. You've already seen so much. Misbehavior by people. Not Following simple instructions to wear masks become a symbol of protest. And they're like Patrick Henry. If they don't wear a mask now there's that segment of the populace but the question is are the casinos going to enforce this. I think they are because there is so much at stake from them for them and they are. They are not going to the good doctors correct. They should if if there are problems they should shut it down. Go and start all over. But I don't think that's what's going to happen Ryan hospitalizations here. Have the Klein for thirty five consecutive days. They feel pretty good that they'll be able to handle whatever happens. They're going to be cases. The things are going to happen. The question is to what degree and that is going to be on the casinos. They The governor is giving them a green light and I assume when he's giving them the green light he is saying. Go slow at first. Be careful. Don't make me look bad for letting you go back into business remember. That was a very bold move for him to shut them down Very early more than two months ago. That probably saved a lot of lives. And there's been all kinds of pressure for him to let them open up since then they're already but they are all going to be. I think they're all gonna be very careful but there's so many as you mentioned. There's so much entropy inside the casino. It's going to be very difficult to predict what will happen. Brian. I can't believe no one has used this line so I will The worry here is that what happens in Vegas won't stay there and we'll go home with all those good visitors. Who are lighter by a few bucks? John Ralston are man to say in Las Vegas. Dr Kavita itsel are woman to see when the topic is public health? Thank you both so much and coming. How a health precaution turned into. What trump today labeled political correctness? Steve Schmidt weighs in on that and assorted other topics. He's trying to belittle you for wearing a mask making. It seem like it's a sign of weakness. He's a four mattress full to talk that way. I mean every leading dot com the world saying we should wear a mask. When you're in a crowd was Joe Biden. Responding to the president re tweeting something Brit Hume of Fox News first podium posted in here it is. This might help. Explain why trump doesn't like to wear a mask in public this afternoon. The president appeared to sarcastically. Say he wasn't criticizing Biden at all would never do such thing. Then called the reporter politically correct for keeping his face mask on er Doctor Van. Gupta treats corona virus patients today earlier this afternoon. He offered up this stark comparison. Is it more inconvenient to wear a mask or is it more inconvenient to Ben later in the reason why I'm saying that is it's extremely like this virus is coming for us all whether we like it or not? It's coming I saw. I've seen young individuals with a stroke in the setting of covid nineteen were previously healthy forty eight hours prior on a ventilator. Their parents can't even see them because we don't allow visitors actually in the room. This can come for us all regardless of your political beliefs. Back with us again tonight. No shortage of things to talk about Steve Schmidt a veteran political strategist who led the McCain. Oh eight effort has since left the Republican Party but certainly has stayed and politics. Steve What is the wearing of a mask mean to you? What is it? A marker of is a marker that you're a sheep does Ed say you're weak. Does it make about your role and public health and on. Some people is a marker of leadership in your view. The mask is the is the protection that were all called on to give to each other. It is an inconvenience to wear the mask. The mask is uncomfortable but we have to wear it to protect each other. And that's what we're all called to do into once again. We see Donald Trump ignoring medical advice endangering people with this terrible example and Joe Biden is exactly correct. I think to use the word fool. It is foolish advice and this country is plagued by the reality that we have a full sitting behind the desk. The Resolute Desk in the Oval Office. Who told us the Chinese had this contained? Who told us this would magically disappear when there were fifteen cases his incompetent ineptitude. Brian has made corona virus. In the United States made the United States leading place in the world or gaffer suffering for misery because of this virus is just astoundingly poor leadership on Donald Trump's part who continuously demonstrates that. He's unfit for his job. It has no capacity intellectually Mandalay or Zamora leader to guide the nation through this dangerous. Our Steve Schmidt. What do these social media companies do in the course of today? In the course of the weekend President tweeting out a conspiracy theory involving a colleague of ours. Tweeting OUT STRAIGHT UP. Misinformation about voting by mail some have said the social media companies twitter facebook and the like have been on a long journey to realize that they are at the end of the day and the publishing business. What are they to do when faced with not just misinformation but from the very top will? Brian companies have policies that say they don't tolerate misinformation so we're not sitting here having a debate about whether they should have a policy or not in question is should they follow the policy when it applies to the president of the United States. Who happens to be the most prolific liar in the country and with regard to his vile smears against our colleague Joe Scarborough. The pain is inflicting on that young woman's family his continual lying smearing the viciousness of it. All they don't have an obligation to print that too in violation of their policies. They ought to follow their policies. It's just as simple as that. I will say this. It is a profound threat to democracy in this sense that if you look at the great threats to the country's security in the twentieth century fascism and communism both of those ideologies were premised on big lies at our system relies on inalienable truths. There's a profound danger posed democratic institutions by these companies whether they're by sins of omission or sense of comission because they obliterate the the line between reality and truth Excuse me Between Truth and lies between reality and an alternate reality. It's simply the case that a democracy can't function if you can't tell the difference between lies and truth because there can't be any accountability in the system. Democracies rely on an informed citizenry and that informed citizenry. Can't look at a blue chair at half the country. Say It's rat. It's so we have a profound problem. With all of the lunacy it our politics and the degree to which conspiracy theories many of the paddle by the president himself have infected our body politic virus. It has so profoundly confused the American people in terms of being able to know what's up versus what's down what's right versus left that it's profoundly disorienting and disillusioning in it's dangerous and it's just not a sign of how in any democratic system in the world. Can you find anything that approaches? What we're dealing with in the United States. It's very bad Steve Schmidt. It's always a pleasure even when the topic is as dark as this one. Thank you very much for finding time for us on a Tuesday night as we start a shortened work week coming up for us a big city reaction to tragedy now finds itself in the middle of a larger and virgin conversation about racism. We'll talk about that when we come back. Thousands of people protesting in Minneapolis tonight following the death of an unarmed black man on Monday. Police fired tear gas late today after protesters damaged a police precinct among some other property four. Minneapolis police officers were fired today for their role in the death of George Floyd and the FBI is now on this case. The altercation was captured on video and fair warning. It's tough to watch in effect. The video shows human life draining from a man while he's on the pavement. George Floyd died after being taken into custody for what officers say was a report of a possible forgery and officer can be seen kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck for at least seven minutes. Witnesses say floyd repeatedly cried. My neck hurts and I can't breathe while bystanders pleaded with the officer to let him go. Floyd eventually stopped moving but the officer kept his knee on his neck for several more minutes. At one point someone almost casually enters the frame and checks for a pulse. We have not yet seen the body camera video. That's now in the FBI's possession so we can't see what happened before this particular video was rolling in a statement. The Police Department in Minneapolis said this quote. He was ordered to step from his car after he got out. He physically resisted officers officers. Were able to get the suspect. In handcuffs noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later at no time. Were WEAPONS OF ANY TYPE. Used by anyone involved in this incident. It's a lot back with us again. Tonight is Maya Wiley former assistant. Us Attorney for the Southern District of New York veteran of the New York City Mayor's office. She is now with the new school in New York. My friend I've missed you and I give anything for a different subject matter to talk with you about tonight in a desperate attempt to find something good to come out of this. Is it a good thing that the FBI is there? And on the case. At least Brian I miss you too and I wish we were having this conversation in person because I know you would take my hand and that would mean a lot to me right now. We don't know if good yet and let back up and say first of all what is good is that these officers were terminated. That is unusual to see happen so quickly and I think fat is a testament to the fact that there's additional information that we have not yet heard as a public not because the video was not disturbing enough but that that actually caused them to take that decision without having a longer investigation think the point about the FBI involvement in the reason. I say we don't know because frankly after Eric Garner after the other I can't breathe after the other devastating trauma of a video. That this so reminds us of we neither saw a grand jury and dight officer Pantaleo. Who was finally. Let go by the Police Department We literally had the federal government. Say that it was not going to charge the officer in that case. I was the chair of New York City Civilian Complaint Review Board when we sent that case to the New York City Police Department and said he the officer Pantaleo must be charged. Your highest administrative offenses and terminated and our team handled bat trial. I say that because unfortunately that's what it took because the law is is if for a whole lot of reasons. We need due process for officers but it is extremely difficult extremely difficult to get these types of civil rights cases but that is why people are protesting. It is not enough to have justice as a sword used against people of Color. It must also be a shield three names Ahmad Arbitary George Floyd Christian Cooper three African American men who during a pandemic have focused intense attention in many cases long overdue on racism in twenty twenty Two of them would their lives. What does that tell you if anything but it tells me is it. Video unfortunately has been traumatizing but a necessary tool to have black people believed when black people talk about the experiences that frankly have been experiences in the black community for generations for decades. Now James Baldwin said it best when he said be black in America's be perpetually angry and you know the reason for that is not because black people are angry by nature. It's because injustice over and over and over again is angering and the fact. Is that when many people who are black shirt that some injustices happened like a Christian Cooper who is bird watching who sees a woman who is violating park regulation. Something he might be ticketed for. Instead she threatens to call the police announce his race and lie to them and say that he was threatening her. I mean that is the kind of thing that without a videotape. Who knows if anyone would have believed him? And that is something that we should be deeply concerned about. But these incidents are not knowing. They are just documented in ways that become undeniable. Counselor stay. Well stay healthy. We will live to do in person segments again and dare I say. Hold hands while we do. It has been our guest at long last again. Tonight Maya thanks Another break for us and coming up. Consider it this way. A nation where the president trying to diminish the corona virus comparing into the flu talking Hydroxy Clark. When and it's not the United States will take you there when we come back. There are exceptions to it. Just like China but a new so called ban on visitors from Brazil to the. Us is going into effect really minutes from now at the top of the hour. More people are now dying in Brazil from Corona Virus Day than in any other nation in the world. Nbc News Correspondent. Bill neely has our report today like every day. Dozens of virus funerals in Rio American Oscar stearns with sixty four and from Boston and here all his life one of eight hundred victims in one day. Brazil now has the highest daily death toll in the world today one city with a high death toll on shattered economy ended. Its lock done. Tens of thousands poured onto the streets. The mayor of this city had virus ordered it to open up. He doesn't support the luck done across. Brazil battle between saving the economy on saving lives is rating one American already in financial trouble. I have travel agency and that travel agency. I don't think is gonNA survive. The next couple of months like the economy hospitals are breaking point people to Brazilians looking to come to the US now. Unwelcome unwelcome as of midnight. We'll Brazilians are now braced for more pain not just economic paying more record death tolls because most medical experts have spoken to hear. Brazil has not yet reached the peak of death. Bill neely in Brazil for US tonight. Our thanks coming up. What we are hoping is a break from the drumbeat that we can't seem to escape when we come back last thing before we go tonight. The news tonight is heavy in these days. It is just about every night. The majority of us are trying our best to stay out of circulation. Somebody on social media has taken to calling every day blurs day. Even some of our usual distractions are still missing. Sports channels are flickering to life Nascar. Thank God is back but with no fans some soccer some golf Korean baseball with vinyl pictures of fans in the stands a Lotta sportscasters play by play types. Remain IDLE LIKE OUR FRIEND. Andrew Cotter of the BBC who has found a new event to announce to Phillip Island Victoria in Australia. What a setting. We have for this great sporting contest. The little penguin see to June race. Abbas moments always as the gathering the beach the tension mounting and away they go. There's the defending champion. Winning has familiar navy. Blue and white great waddling style. Another pre-race favourite though losing touch with the pack. Maybe that's why a few too many fish in the days feeding. There's a familiar. Face get McIntyre eight times champion back in the nineties s very successful coach note keeping Canine proceedings. This the leaving group one or two still able to on our show for the camera others disclosing straight over some resorting to shortcut Saad. The cheating has crept into this beautiful sport. The judges we'll have a look at that but up at the front. The pace is relentless closing in a most sand dunes. That will offer a bed for the night. The fatigue start to tell who's GONNA finishing up on the outside. What a turn of pace from that one. 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Ballistic Radio - Episode 42 - December 29, 2013

Ballistic Radio

40:38 min | 7 years ago

Ballistic Radio - Episode 42 - December 29, 2013

"The views and opinions expressed on this program not necessarily reflect those fifty five KRC the talk station and clear channel worldwide. Welcome to ballistic radio. Cincinnati's only Gun Talk show. Join us. We're going to explore the topic of firearms and your rights as a law abiding citizen. Ballistic radio brought to you by Kyle's gun shop and Finney town, your source for premium firearms and ammunition. Now, here's your host John Johnston on fifty five K R Z the talk station. Good evening and welcome to ballistic radio. Brought to you by Kyle's gun shop in Finney town, your source for premium farms and ammunition. Visit them online at Kyle's gun shop dot com. I'm your host trying to keep it together. John johnston. Remember, you can always listen to pass shows that ballistic radio dot com and get the latest behind the scenes info at Facebook dot com slash ballistic radio coasting with me this evening. Mr. Andy Orrick, Andy. How's it going? Very good. Did you like watching me have my little breakdown before the show? Stirred bullet together. I I heard something that at least seemed funny to me and just going to those fits of giggles. So anyway, we've got a just fun filled show this evening, we're going to have Chris Kosta and Sean Nelson coming on the phone. And just a little bit talking about their new film. Short action film, easy day. Really, really interesting. It's about three and a half minutes long. I found it to be rather entertaining. It's gotten some controversy online for multiple reasons that we will get into but. We will. We will go there and just a minute. Something else to talk. I'm sorry. I've got Eric the producer asking me questions as as I'm like trying to enter the show, and it's like, ooh. Two directions at once hard task. Yeah. Not not so much after twenty thousand rounds which speaking of the Stanley Mark twenty-five tier one prototype has reached twenty thousand rounds as of today, so far so good has still only had the one malfunctioned that was caused by that wolf, recoil, spring wedge. Apparently is a known issue. I started doing more research on that. And there's a fix for that. But so I I actually feel bad. I didn't tell saline about it and just beforehand since that was part of the reason that they had me doing the project with them was my experience was sig sell. What else has gone on? It's the last show of the year New Year's coming up so fan a busy. You're the show has really taken off. I appreciate everyone of you for listening and making the show what it is. I did not expect it to do as well. As it has. And I am sincerely thankful for the opportunity. So we've got some exciting new things coming up, and this is actually going to be the first official announcement of this starting next Sunday airing at seven PM mountain time, you will be able to listen to ballistic radio in Phoenix Arizona on WKNO, excuse me. W F N X like I said that will be next week starting seven o'clock mountain standard time to two hours behind us. But very excited to be moving into the Phoenix area. And I'm just going to be really happy to welcome all the new listeners there. What else have we got going on next year? We will be dealing another insurance tests on a pistol. And not quite sure which one yet because I'm still working out the details, but hoping to do at least fifty thousand rounds possibly one hundred thousand rounds not in a month, though. I I've only got one of these in me, and we'll be throughout the course of the year. Probably starting in March. If I had to guess, possibly sooner. But I'm excited about that. Also going to start doing product reviews on the webpage. I've been given a couple of cool things that I will be putting write ups for as soon as I'm done with the salient project when I actually have time to write stuff again. And I know that my one editor has been upset at me because I've been missing deadlines a little bit IRA calls on Shelly, I'm sorry. Speaking of congratulations to Shelley Caleb for their wedding on Saturday. Really excited to hear about that. Shelly being my editor at gun up magazine Caleb being the guy to talk to if you wanna talk to me sometimes so other than that. What else? What's it Lanta last Saturday talked about that already did have something? Interesting happened with the Stanley project today, I actually managed to kill a surefire four hundred at least half kill it. The light still works laser does not is actually really surprised by that. Because it's the first sure-fire product I've ever broken. Not quite exactly sure what happened yet. I'm going to be. I was actually on the phone was surefire after I got done shooting today, and they were very very cool to deal with and I've got an RMC number that will be given to me, and they're going to get that back pull it apart. See what happened there still even it on the gun because like I said, the light still works, and I really like how the gun shoots and feels with with the the unit on they're just really kind of changes the handling just a little bit. But it sure makes a difference. So and the darkstar gear holster that I'm using is been really easy to conceal the the salient with the light on their. He's making an inside the waistband version of that I've been carrying appendix outside the waistband. Which is new for me. But working a lot better than I thought Tom makes really good stuff. So other than that. We've got about I want to say four thousand three hundred rounds love before we had twenty five thousand the gun will be going back to salient. So they can do their little thing to it. And we'll probably be available to view at shot show somewhere. Other. I will be attending shot show this year as well. So that will be something cool for the listeners as far as I will be bringing back plenty of photos video and opinions because I know all of you cares. So much about what I have to say. No, not really so other than that. Like, I said, we've got Chris and Sean both holding on the line right now, I would try and get them on. But we're going to be going to break soon. And by the time, we got done with introductions, it'd being time for the commercial, and that seems a little selling oh for those of you that have not seen easy day. Their new video. There's one specific pertinent there that we're going to be discussing later. The pelvic girdle shot. And for those of you that are having a hard time imagining that somebody got shot in the goodies. And it looked really painful. I I was asked about that. In Atlanta this last weekend, and I recorded a little video response. If you would like to do that then link is up on the Facebook page. I I've been told I rather funny and film out apparently when I don't have the key to deal with my keep children out of the room. Yeah. Really? I I apologize folks. I'm very very unrefined. And when I don't have like a a fine looming over my head, you know. I might say one or two things that. Are not fit for for children's years sell. We'll be discussing that with Chris and Sean also this evening. See what? Let's see what they think about the human cry over that. I don't I don't get what the big deal is. It seems like is there any good place to be shot or or proper place to shoot somebody? But it depends how much you like them. And guess if if you really don't like them, I suppose genitals is a extra special bad place to shoot somebody. I don't I don't know. So Eric might want to be watching me to in case say like Weiner on accident or something like that. And that's that one's okay. Okay. Eric shaking his head. Yes, wieners. All right. Other words, not so much. So if you shoot somebody in the kneecaps, that's bad, right? It's I guess it's just not as visceral as is the the Franks and beans getting blown off. Anyway, that was probably right there on the line. This is a good place to go to commercial when we get back. We'll be talking with Chris costs and Sean Nelson about easy day right now. You're listening to ballistic radio. Welcome back to ballistic radio on fifty five carries. The the talk station brought to you by I'll gun shop in town. So we've got Mr Chris Kosta the beard himself holding on the line. And also, Sean Nelson. They were both involved with the new easy day video that is on the internet. Get Chris on the line. I and I'll try and get Sean on Chris. How're you doing tonight? Good. How you on Johnston? Not too bad, man. I'm going to try and get Sean on here. Make sure I don't hang up on both even we'll get going with the show. Sean are you there? Hey, john. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Hey, excellent. I managed to get two people on the line without hanging up on. Are you proud of me anti? I have come a long way so gentlemen, how are you doing this evening? Good. How you guys doing tots? You pay. So we've got Chris Kosta who is the driving force behind Kosta, Lucas did some work with MAG poll before that I'm sure you all know who Mr. Kosta is also got Sean Nelson who directed the easy video that Chris just started in start out with Chris. And then we'll go to Sean. I it's kind of difficult since we're doing an interview where both the individuals that we're interviewing are not in studio. There may be a bit of a delay between questions and answers, my politics guys. But we're going to do the best. We can. So Chris, do you mind telling us about cost of media group? And what that is that something new that you just started, right? That's correct Burlington this year when we met up with Isaac Marchiano, and Sean Nelson we were talking about maybe doing something in the industry that had kind of been done a little bit to a certain degree. But I don't think to the full capability of what we demonstrated with easy day and preferences by no means is the easy day. The end all be all that. I think it's a I think it's a good start for the weapons community in regards to getting big manufacturers and people that are serious about product placement gun sales different things and putting it in action. If you think about transformers, it's it's a commercial right as a movie plot. It it really is. I mean when you watch the chip hit the mountain dew machine do machine comes alive that's a plug for mountain. Do you watch the chip hip or side of you know, the Cadillac Escalade Cadillac symbol comes out into the woman's face and in attacks, or and what we wanted to do was kind of step up the expectation within the industry and do a full on little kind of mini movie. And I think there in lies a lot of the controversy that you're seeing online right now with the tug of war between people who get it and people who don't get it or are upset about it. Or or I I don't even know how you can really be upset about it. We had three minutes to try to put enough information within a movie little mini movie for you to get it. Get still the entertaining get still spotlights products. Right. So have we had more time? We would have been able to fully convey every little thing of let specifically we're doing. So in a three minute piece, which is about the I would say about. The average timeframe for anybody including myself, if I get online, and I see that my buddy is sent me a video when it's ten or fifteen minutes long. It's pretty much like in less. This thing keeps coming up within my friend network. I'm deleting it like, I don't even wanna I don't even I don't have time for fifteen minutes. But during my work day, I've got kind of time to look over my shoulder and maybe play three minutes. And then of course, the question is is it three minutes at a really poor quality. Or is it like three minutes of law? That was a really good video. And and that's what we were hoping to accomplish. And then draw people in. By then doing the behind the scenes, which I actually think is more interesting than the actual video to be. I mean, the fact that I was there, you know, in the the fact that we did this mini movie. We all really enjoy the behind the scenes probably more than we do the actual mini movie because there's so much going on. And you get to see everybody that's been involved in it, and it, and it was it was kind of curious because I've I've been talking to some buddies as far as online and also in person to that there, it seems like a fifty fifty split where they're either upset that it's like, well, that's you know, that's just a big commercial. And I was like, yeah. It's awesome. It's best commercial. I've ever seen in my life. Or you know, there there's the other dudes that are just like, you know, feel the same way. I do I that's great. You know, and get it. We'll talk about that in a little bit. I I was curious 'cause like you said this is a little bit different than than what you've done before. Because you've done training VVD's. Before. I mean was was the thought process when you got into this a little bit different it being a new project or wasn't. I mean, I knew new for you. But. Well, it's challenging in the way. I just described it where Sean, and I and Isaac have to sit down story board this out. And of course, what I envision and what comes out are two different things. So sometimes we have to be really careful in the challenge is keeping it no longer than five minutes. And in fact, the the time they said was hey about three and a half minutes is what we need to keep if I'm like, well, how do you tell the story in three and a half minutes and therein lies the art of what they pulled off. Right. You know, what I mean as we went back and forth. How do you tell enough to the viewer that they have a generalization of what's going on and understanding of what's going on and taking place along with a creative way in which to do a marketing video the problem that you'd run into is that well, there's different cuts to there's different angles of things happening. You know, we get out of a mini van and technically I have enough time to. Kinda of gun, and I didn't have enough time to shoot. Because also if I shot the bad guy at that moment in time who would have pretty much been over right there. If I wait for if I wait for backup. The videos kinda over run. Then I guess I'm sitting on the back of a tailgate talking about Knight's armament and all the other products that what we would have put in the video. But we didn't really have time for it. Because we ended it at the thirty second Mark. So there's a there's a given. There's a lot of give and take within this. You know, the character doesn't do everything. Okay. They make mistakes, and it wasn't supposed to be perfectly pulled off to where. There was no mistakes. Made the character does a one man entry into a warehouse. Now, you're supposed to believe as if the character was running down the street the entire time where he's never broken contact with the criminal element. And then of course, the criminal limit goes into warehouse. And he's like do I go into I not you know, what I mean ask the average cop what he does on a regular basis. He has to go into harm's way numerous times, you know, acquaint it to a police officer who goes into an active shooter in a school. I has no clue where the. Bad guy is. But he does a one man entry because you know, what if his kids were net school? That's what he would do. He would go and make entry try to not be the hero. But try to go for the threat wherever that is wherever the gun. Fires erupting from cops do this on a regular basis. And I think people don't really get it. So yes, the character does a one man entry into a warehouse where you would normally want a full swap game. You don't have time for that. You know, what I mean, it's like trying to constantly balance. And I was watching somebody's comment was was oh, well, the guy with the K would of ripped him up going through the door. Well, if you'd watch the behind the scenes, you'd notice I didn't go through the same doorway as other criminal with kind of caught them off guard doing very very Stuttle thing to make it a little bit more believable right with certain extent to at least allow the continuation of things to play out. Yes. I shoot the bad guy there in live to humor like the the feds really wanted him. Well, of course, think about that word that I just said the fed. Like, how many people really love the feds right now. You know what I mean? So it was kind of like a comic on the fact that great that the feds wants this guy live, and of course, now, he's dead. So, but in reality to a certain degree, you know, with what goes on right now with the federal government. There's kinda humor in the fact that while they didn't get their man because unfortunately, who's trying to kill us. So we killed him. Yeah. You know? I mean, there's there's there's so many little undertones that I think people I don't I don't understand that the video is there for people to have a little bit of fun with in in a modern modern way. But I think people have really like like you say they they either see it for what it is have gone completely like, oh my God. It's supposed to mazing thing ever in which case, it's not nor did we claim it to be or just like, this is completely unrealistic. And I'm like, I had three minutes to captivate your attention. And if you're writing a negative comment about it it obviously captivated your attention, but in a negative manner. But nevertheless. Get your attention. Exactly. You know? It's like, you're darned, if you do, and you're darned, if you don't I mean, hey, man, you know, you can't do anything. Right. I am going to get the Sean here real quick before we go to break. Now, Sean if you don't mind, how'd you get involved in the project, and if you could go over your background real quick, we've got about a minute and a half before the commercial. Yeah. No problem. I'll talk fast, my friend. I I think Marciano is known Chris for years. And then earlier this year, I had shot the cry precisions video into the break and actually thinks like Chris had already seen it. And then so I was like, hey, my buddy, Sean shot that. And kinda my other angles out. I'm something of a unique Brita filmmaker and I've been studying film for years, but I'm also hardcore pro second amendment. You know, my dad was a marine. So I come from a background in from the thought process that you know, it's very much like you guys. But in Hollywood, and among people studying film is a very kind of rare perspective. So this year, you know. Doing the cry now working with Chris is just been fantastic for me to take, you know, all these feelings or really near and dear to my heart and start trying to make some really kick butt entertainment out of it. Just real quick. We got about thirty seconds left. What was your biggest concern when you started working on the project, I kissed deliver trying to pack it into the time like Chris bad about the kind of three minutes? I mean, I I complete faith in Christmas ability to do what he does I had faith in me and my team's ability to deliver. But it's just how do we make it make sense and have fun and be entertaining in his short time span as possible. And the totally makes sense. Speaking of timeframe span we have to go to break right now. But when we get back, we'll talk with Chris and Sean a little bit more about the film right now. You're listening to ballistic radio. Welcome back to ballistic radio brought to you by Kyle's gun shop in town. Visit them on long. I'll show dot com. Right now, we're talking with Mr Chris Kosta, and Mr. Shawn Nelson. You may have seen their most recent video collaboration easy day online. I'm sure Chris requires no introductions the beard himself. Let's get them back on the phone right now. We've got Chris online. Chris. How's it going? Good. How're you doing not too? There's always that pause. When I get someone back on the line. And I'm just kind of waiting like did I hang up on them? Let's get Sean on Sean. Are you still there still here? Excellent. So you were just saying as far as Sean your concern about trying to keep the video short. And and still get the point across. I mean, we're when you were doing that was that something you were just worrying about during storyboarding or was that something just during the editing. You're like, okay, we need to cut as much as we can. And just keep it solid. The entire time. Neither actually that goes back to Canada crew development of the very idea. It's you have to design a concept that by its very nature works in three minutes. You can't just oh shoot a five or ten minute concept. And then try to figure out anything to get it down just kind of a recipe for disaster. So when I when Chris, and I wrote the treatment I actually went out and to Chris place, and we kinda talked about all the different things. You know, we could go this way or that way and actually came up with a bunch of ideas that could form a full on web series or feature number of things. Then we kind of narrowed it down and said, hey, we'll what if we did this. And Chris like, yeah, let's go with that. And I actually did the phone scripting process and row a three or four pages script on it. And that was kind of the challenge is figuring out. Just had to have that makes sense in after the the treatment in the script. Then we went into storyboards and all that. Okay. So I just recently got to work on my first video project, and it was it was curious just because we shot the entire day. And I'm told that the finished product is maybe going to be a minute or two how many actual man hours? Did you guys spend shooting was like a one day shoot? Or how'd that work? Mehsud itself was at one day shoot. Yeah. That definitely was extremely tough and challenging and as you can imagine. There's a lot of lessons learned off. What we did. That was all shot from morning 'til I think eleven at night or something when we got done, you know, setting people up putting it is. It is amazing the level of safety precautions, you know, I'm used to the firearms community where I throw everybody up on a line. We all have live weapons. It's it's a different animal. You know, an animal that I'm very very accustomed to. However, having somebody who has to stand watch on every firearm, that's their they have to load magazines. They have to hand each character the weapons everything has to be done in such a different manner than I'm accustomed to. But in a manner to make sure that nobody accidentally gets shot. One of the hardest things is when they're telling me don't aim at somebody like, what do you mean? Don't aim at somebody will cause you could. Hurt him. And I'm like, I'm I'm ten yards away from this guy. He's got a got us. Like, my natural tendency is the point my dot where my irons on somebody and pull the trigger. It's not the aim to the left of them. So just little things like that. Are are extremely challenging. And just getting guy set up. I think some of the people took him two hours to get set up hour and a half somewhere in there. So there's a lot of moving parts in this was I know I was surprised that I'm not nearly as is accustomed to that sort of environment. I know you've worked on quite a few of them as you just curious as far as how long that took an and what some of the differences were. So you already kind of covered this. But I I really would like to delve into it just a little bit is far as the people that, you know, and for whatever reason you seem to draw more than your sherve negative attention, Chris, but the people that don't like the video or or have a problem with the video the. I mean, you just think they weren't going to period. No matter what you did. Or do. They just mainly don't understand that. It's entertainment. Not, you know, another MAG poll dynamic video or something like that. Our our whole goal was not to compete with the MAG pulse series. This is not a training DVD were not training the way we did back in two thousand seven so there's obviously a lot of years of pass of what we're doing. And why we're doing what it is? Specifically in firearms industry. I think you know, I think I think for a good chunk of the people who may not call it fancy me. It's almost probably because other people blow maybe me a little bit more out of proportion than needs to be, you know, an and that's a really hard hard way to kind of break it down. I mean, I feel like there's just some people that are going to wanna find fault in every little aspect of of something that we're doing bringing. It's like, well, then let me see you do it. You know what I mean? Like, I know I have enough of an understanding now of the nightmare of running a small company never never did before. But anybody who now tells me? Like my own small company. I'm like, oh, yeah. Okay. Lot different appreciation in level of respective of what that person's doing right. I think that when it comes down to some of it's it's we've never, and I've never come out in people that have come into my classes understand my sense of humor. I'm only serious when shooting that's it aside from that. I'm a pretty big jovial person to break the ice because everybody runs around this industry is is weird. As it sounds like Johnny tactical. You very rarely see me wherein multi Cam, very rarely. It's only like little glimpses of you know, spice here, and there rarely do you see me wearing body armor. Right, right. You know? So I try to just be the average guy going out there putting out information. And I think sometimes what the disdain is with people is the fact that people are like what makes these guys his special. So innocent. Well, forget this guy. You know? So you're going to be Johnny negative on it. And you know, some people I don't know. I mean, I it's it's hard to not I it's really challenging because you're talking about your fan base, which you appreciate absolutely. But sometimes some of those guys go a little overboard, which creates a negative animosity amongst people that might have been on the fence. But then again, they were going to be just some people that I'm not a Cup of tea, and I've just the way way it is. And usually there are people that have never met me. Right. If you've met me, then you would realize there's a whole there's a whole situation going on here. There's there's a lot more of what's happening, which is why I generally will bring in a little bit bigger audience because I am a very humble person. I do like to have fun. I am a big jokester. You know, what I mean, you don't win class clown and in in highschool for for for being you know, what I mean? Doc. You know what I'm saying? It's it's complicated. I guess I don't I don't get it. But I've talked to a couple of times offer I've met you before. And all that. And I've actually I thought I didn't take myself seriously. And you actually got me beat on that definitely. So it's just weird to to see. And I don't know if it's a measure of like once you reach a certain level of success. You're just going to track enough people that hate whatever you do for whatever reason. But I don't know. Anyway, we could have an entire show about about. Why why Peter stupid sometimes, but well, I wouldn't want. I wouldn't want people to bring that negativity from me in carry it to all the men and women that were a part of what Sean put together that that video has a tremendous amount of moving parts both the day of and behind the scenes that made that video look exactly what it is. I am. I am actually a small piece of of a bigger portion of that vehicle. Oil almost unnoticeable so to speak, and I wouldn't want that negativity to take away from all the things that Sean and his guys in his crew did because they crammed three minutes three minutes. They still get a story. They still made it entertaining, and people are still watching it extremely challenging to do if easy to say, Sean, I'm gonna give you an hour that would have been easy a lot easier than me saying you're gonna tell the story and show a lot of action in three minutes and have it kind of go up and down and up and down. And that's what he did. He did that that's that's him and his crew which has nothing to do with me. So at least don't don't dishonor the the other people that worked really hard on the project. Just because you don't like me, you know, what I mean? And like I said, it's it doesn't make any sense to me it almost dudes. I've talked to have been pretty pretty impressed with it for what it is. We got about forty seconds left. I guess I kind of tease us. So Sean was at your idea for the pelvic girdle shot or who came up with that. That was Chris was that your major contribution to Chris was hey, I want to shoot this guy in the junk via. I mean, the thing about it is we talk about it from a tactical point of view, especially for my individual officers and civilians that are alone, especially if you're faced with multiple adversaries, where's the one spot on the body? You would not wanna get shot in. You know, most people are like, well, you know, I mean, it's if I had to get shot, and I couldn't choose and somebody said tonight, you're going to be in a gunfight, you're gonna get shot people pointed their arms in the side of their leg. Nobody ever points at a pelvic girdle. And we know that through statistics people have been able to advance on law enforcement. They've been able to do a tremendous amount of damage to law enforcement officers while they're behind cover and concealment so much better to target the pelvic girdle, which is also a great location for not. Only killing a person's mobility, but causing them to bleed out. Yeah. And you ask one person who'd rather be shot in the crotch or the or the or the upper torso. And nobody points to the crotch. Nobody will ever want to the garage soobee legit. Why don't we do people there? So especially with all the armor and kit that guys are wearing nowadays. It's a it's a very vulnerable area exam, primarily it stops movement. So I'm not going to be running any races anytime soon. No, not after that. We'll get into that in a minute. We gotta go back to commercial. But when we come back, we'll talk with Chris and Sean more about easy day and also some of their upcoming projects right now, you're listening to ballistic radio. Welcome back to listen to radio roads by tiles, gun shop in any town right now, we're talking with Chris cost Sean Nelson about their new movie project. It is online easy day to Google search easy day. Chris Kosta, you will be able to pull it up. So Chris, and Sean hopefully, both of you back online. So hopefully, maybe Chris you there. Sean. About now. Hey, Chris either. Actually, get you Eric you're fired Eric repeat again. You're fires Eric. Wow. What'd you do? Man. Boom done disconnected the fear. No joy, no Blencoe. Now. Why don't you tell listeners that you don't you don't need to just whisper it my your telling listeners what you did? I'm gonna public. Shame. The producer come on air. Turn all the all the pots off to the mic. Oh, it's okay. You're still awesome, man. So anyway, we've Cup of men was that like an end of the year joke for you're going to like see how fired up you can get me in the U handled it well, though, John. This is like the equivalent of the last few minutes of airplane when the one guy pulled the plug on all the lights on all the land and light. Yes. It's like, oh, this is going to be this is going to be a long last segment. So anyway, what what coming projects you guys have. I mean, easy day was kind of the first proof of concept of this. What are you doing next year? Can you talk about that? Well, we have a bunch of these actually mapped out and the the goal was and in here. I mean, I am grateful for everything that everybody does overseas. And a lot of times I do feel that our our brothers and blue and and sisters in blue so to speak kinda get overlooked, and to be honest when somebody pulls me over for speeding, I'm usually upset, and I don't really feel like seeing. But at the end of the day, you know, there's there's a lot of good that law enforcement that that law enforcement that does on a regular basis. So that's why we wanted to kind of focus the character around a law enforcement community and not if another special operations guy jumping out of a plane and doing a rendition and all these other things not not to say that that that is bad or anything like that. But we just wanted to be able to build upon the character. And then of course, if he's a narcotics. Guy. He's probably gonna find himself in a few more predicaments than maybe if we just had a civilian character. You know, like why all these people constantly going after civilian character? So we decided to do a narcotics officer which also explains why he doesn't dress like normal police officer. And then it allows people to be brought in within the shooting industry, and I don't have to worry about whether somebody needs a shave their face or not 'cause we got to put him in a police uniform. Right. If the guy's clean-shaven great if he's got a beard. It doesn't matter. He actually plays apart. Well, so it allows us a little bit of flexibility. So we have a few of these story boarded out for syndicate partners. And we'll see you know, how their reception is. Ultimately, this is a proof of concept, and what we are hoping for is over one hundred thousand hits and like five days your lesson. I think we accomplished that. And we still have to prove to all those people's whether there are syndicate partners or whether they're other. Weapon manufacturers that hey, look, this is actually a really good way to advertise. Right. I mean, you can you can you can pay for an no offense. Again, you know, it's just modern times. People get their media off the internet off Facebook off these type of venues, but you can pay five thousand dollars for a print ad. Or you can start putting your money elsewhere and actually resonate a bigger signature within the industry, and really when people have limited marketing dollars. That's those are the choices at a small company or big companies going to have to make where do I spend my marketing dollars. Do I put it in print where do I putting put it in something that I was going to get the attention of a lot of people? And that's what we're trying to do. I'm not gonna say that by any means we accomplish that. But I think we're on the right track. And we'll have to see where is in. So this is going to be a recurring character that you have. I I gotta ask Vincent Rocco. Is that like did you hit the porn star name generator? And that's what got spent you can blame Sean for that. Because when he did I gave them a name. I gave him a name that I used to use as an alias all the time. And he's like not in it. We gotta go with different. And I see the name. And I'm like, are you serious? I was like Vincent rocket like, this is this is your Cardi. Who my God? I was like, I don't even look like, Vincent. So I'll I'll let him justify that. All right. Come on my retarded. What Chris really means is completely awesome. No, it was you know, he was important to come up with a character named because you know, of course, when I talked about this isn't Chris cost in easy day. It's it's a character. You know, this character will do things that Chris might not do in real life that he, you know, and it's a fiction I wanted to create something unique, you know, come on. I can't call Chris. You know, what I'm writing the script. I can't call him, Tom or Dave or something. You know? I gotta give them something. So I imagine if you know if we get to shoot a web series or feature film that he'd be called fence or something. And I I think it's unique. I I like. Thought it was awesome. I just I I swear to God. There's this entire thread about the film on one of the forums that I hang out at for whatever reason people latched onto Vincent Rocco. And now everyone's spitting out there porn star name. It's like that's how you'd come up with it. So no, I was I was pretty I got a laugh out of it. I got a I got to ask Chris. I mean is this going to be more the focus now is getting into the entertainment side of things. Or are you still going to know doing training, one of our bread and butter is always been training? That's what I love to do. And I love working with all the people that come out to the classes this year. We've added classes right at my backyard in Wyoming, and they're more premier we've actually condensed aside down to be a little bit smaller. So we can get back into a little bit more personalized. I mean, I do try to mingle with all the students, you know, dirt. During the entire, you know, shoot that we're doing and training session. And then anytime I'm off dinners or whether we're in al-tair different training facilities. Like when ravens sets it up over in southern ten. We all try to kind of hang out, and and let people after his weird questions or whatever it is. So we've always tried to kind of be more fruitful twenty four why we're there. That's our job. That's that's what we do. That's what people are paying for. So that has always been our bread and butter, and that's what we will always focus on this is something fun. I mean, look at with Sean, did, you know when he did into the breach. I mean, it was a really good moving video that made you appreciate what the military does on a regular basis, and it you're just watching films. So all we kinda did was well, let's do something fun for the gun industry. Let's do something that will support the weapons industry. And continue to support, you know, the second amendment and what we do, but do it in a positive manner as well. But then also also view it in a manner where it's not a tailgate session road. I mean, we're doing a tailgate and talking about a product which which I've done I I've done that before I've sat on a table. I've shown you a surefire light or eight point or whatever it is. And I'm just kind of over that. I don't wanna do that type of marketing anymore. What I wanna do is do just like transformers? Does it put it into some form of a film where you see him out and do machine turn into a robot? Kick somebody's butt fire. Couple missiles blow a Cadillac Escalade up in your good. You just had a bunch of marketing, but it was done in such an awful manner. You didn't even know it. They didn't oversell it. You know, what I mean to get it tell you to drink mountain dew because it was the best best thing on the planet. It's just you know, you're left with that thought. And that's all we're trying to do here. But I think Sean and has guys did a great job and taking a concept and actually putting it in in it condensed format able to pull that off speaking thence formats, we're already at the end of the show gentleman. I appreciate you coming on tonight. Certainly always glad to have you on Chris, Sean, thanks for joining us. I'll try and get you more time next time. So anyway for first episode in two thousand fourteen we're going to be talking with Lieutenant Colonel, Freddie, bliss, US Marine Corps, retired about red dot optics development in their best applications. Make sure you check us out at Blissett radio dot com. Like our Facebook page at Facebook dot com, plates lists great, thanks for listening. Everyone is always beat saved you next Sunday at seven pm.

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Acosta refuses to resign, defends secret plea deal for Epstein; Harris becomes latest candidate to team up with Ocasio-Cortez; Protestors storm Biden's campaign HQ demanding commitments for separated migrant families

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Acosta refuses to resign, defends secret plea deal for Epstein; Harris becomes latest candidate to team up with Ocasio-Cortez; Protestors storm Biden's campaign HQ demanding commitments for separated migrant families

"The lead with Jake Tapper is supported by better help. The world's largest online counseling program listeners can get ten percent off their first month that better help dot com slash tapper stay tuned to hear about my own personal experience with better help spoiler alert. It's been great tired tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses visits any today at Xeni Dot com slash C._N._N.. Secretary Kosta was not able to list any regrets about that Epstein plea deal the lead starts right now. The trump cabinet secretary who wants brokered a secret plea deal with an alleged child rapists today says don't blame him as president trump pushes him out in front of the microphones to defend himself another major Democratic candidate according A._O.. See is CEOS see the key to the primary race or just the formula for firing up Republicans plus now. That's Brexit. President trump gets his way. The ambassador who privately called him incompetent and insecure is out but I guess we're still cool with Kim Jong UN and the Saudi Crown Prince C._N._N.'s Lincoln News welcome to the lead on Jake Tapper we begin with breaking news just minutes ago in an attempt to keep his job and defend his reputation secretary of Labor. Alex Kosta Pasta tried to defend himself from a rising chorus of calls for his resignation given that two thousand eight plea agreement he agreed to today called a sweetheart deal for accused child Predator trafficker in child rapist. Jeffrey Epstein Acosta was urged to hold this press. This conference by President Trump's two sources. Tell C. N.. N. A. Cost has faced scathing criticism from teens. Many victims who were minors at the time of Epstein's alleged brutality they are offended but by what they see as a soft punishment for the wealthy well-connected did Epstein and has covered in an award winning Miami Herald expose the quote extraordinary plea agreement that would conceal the full extent of Epstein's crimes and the number of people involved the deal quote essentially shut down and ongoing F._B._i.. Probe into whether there were more victims uh-huh and other powerful people who took part in epsteins sex crimes earlier this year a federal judge ruled that a Kosta and his office by failing to notify the victims about the plea agreement ahead of time broke the law but a constant today was not only unrepentant repentant he portrayed himself as something of the hero in the Epstein affair claiming that the State of Florida would have let Epstein go free had he and his team not coming come in wearing their federal white hats and save the day ensuring that Epstein at least went to jail for some some time and was labelled a registered sex offender as C. N.. N.'s Pamela Brown now reports a cost insisted today he did nothing wrong and he refused to commit to me with any of Epstein's victims by absolutely welcomed this New York prosecution. It is the absolutely right thing to do and battled Labor Secretary Alexander Pasta defending himself this afternoon over a controversial plea deal he oversaw that allowed multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein to avoid federal sex crime charges it's saying he intervened in the case to give Epstein a stiffer punishment. That's what the prosecutor's Office did. They insist that he go to jail and put the world on notice that he was and is a sexual predator. The two thousand case against Epstein alleges he wears dozens of young girls some as young as fourteen into having sex with him. The Palm Beach State Attorney's Office was ready to let Epstein Walk Free No jail time nothing prosecutors in my former office found this to be completely unacceptable and they became involved but prosecutors India deal letting him avoid public federal trial register as a sex offender and served just thirteen months in state prison where he was allowed to leave during the day a cost now says he was faced with two difficult options as the U._S.. Attorney plead guilty to more serious charges charges that required jail l. time registration and resitution or we'd roll the dice and bring a federal indictment staining your today. Are you basically saying that you that you did everything you could. You got the best deal you could get and you have no regrets. We believe that we proceeded appropriately C._N._N.. Confirms it costs a statement comes after trump ordered him to explain himself publicly like my relationship with the president outstanding <hes> he has. I think very publicly made clear that that I've got his support and while the White House is publicly defending Kosta. Why are you talking about Alex accuster not Jeffrey Epstein Eh one of trump's competence telling T._N._N.? He doesn't believe a cost will ass but I'll take you gone or shorter. I think it'll be relatively quick period. He will be on meantime. Trump is now distancing himself from Epstein Osteen who he wants described as a terrific guy who likes beautiful women as much as I do. I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach. I had a falling out with them a long time ago. I don't think I've spoken to him for fifteen years. I wasn't a Fan Epstein was also a frequent frequent visitor at trump's mar-a-lago resort years ago but an attorney for the trump organization tells C._n._n.. Trump banned him from the property although he doesn't remember when or why as for Epstein who was facing new charges in a New York case another accuser went public today describing being raped by him as a teenager forcefully raped me knew exactly what he was doing and I don't think cared what hurts even more so than if I wasn't afraid to come forward sooner than maybe he wanted to other girls well the White House has not provided any updates to an internal review of a cost they claim was underway in March. One source tells the White House is referring to D._O._J.. Officials who are looking into whether there was any professional misconduct by Acosta today. The secretary said he would be willing to be interviewed by those investigators but he remained defiant. He did nothing wrong Jake Pamela Brown at the White House. Thanks so much for joining me now are two former federal prosecutors Elliot Williams and Elliott Elliott. Let me start with you. What do you make of the cost characterization in defense of the way his office handled the manner? What we saw was the cost essentially shift the blame to the line prosecutors in his office the state prosecutors and even to some extent the victims short of shaming them? He says look you know they still have civil. They can still file a civil suit against Simpson. What you didn't hear in there? Anywhere was a manager saying I messed. Up The buck stopped with me as the prosecutor and all of the evidence that was available to New York or to the prosecutors in New York or at least some of it would have been available to him at the time and so it's it was shockingly defensive in tone and it's really amazing to see that there wasn't any sort of you know. Even you know there was this question of do you have any regrets and he sort of punted on the question and so it's as again as a leader as a manager as a principal you just have to sometime say I had <hes> discretion and I used it poorly. I use it wrong and he just didn't do it. Well I mean he might not think that he did anything wrong. Is it possible is it in the realm of possibility that that was the best deal that the U._S. Attorney's Office could get in two thousand thousand eight. I think it's very unlikely that that was the best deal thirteen months for running. An organized sex trafficking network of children for molesting and raping children thirteen months is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction action of what he should have gotten under the federal system and this blame shifting to the state was complete nonsense. It doesn't matter if the state was willing to walk away. That's not the question. Did you do a little bit better than state. The question is what should he have gotten federally and I think we're GonNa see the southern district yet way way way higher than thirty months and j just comparison thirteen months is what someone gets in the federal system for about two grams of crack cocaine. That's about half a teaspoon. That's what thirteen months is. That's not what a sexual Predator should get in the federal system by any stretch and also on top of that your piggybacking Elliot's point there's dozens and dozens of victims. This isn't the kind of sexual assault case where literally it's the word of one victim adult against another you you had sympathetic victims and lots and lots and lots of them and so the idea that that they could they felt that they could not have won at trial if that's his argument or they felt that they you know they they just wouldn't have been successful. It's just sort of seems foolish based on everything we know that was available and certainly is available to us now so this isn't a hindsight question. The evidence was largely. There and it's just a lot just doesn't fit together here. Jake and L. L. E. Acosta said that many of the victims were scared and traumatized refused to testify. He also said that victims are treated differently he. They seem to be suggesting better today that there's less victim shaming in the in the court system is any of that valid. Do you think that that he has any case there. I really don't buy that at all. Jake that part jumped out at me as being way off off-base first of all as a prosecutor it is your job to win the trust and the comfort of the victims and walk them through the process so that they're ready to testify and second of all this notion that we were sort of in a different head space back in two thousand seven and we we're ready to trust. Victims is complete nonsense. I know at first hand because in two thousand seven when I was with the Southern District of New York I did a trial of five defendants. Where are the basically the entire evidence was? We called ten different victims of a sex trafficking ring similar in many any respect to this one. The jury heard them the jury credited them the jury believed them and convicted all the defendants of sex trafficking so this idea that we weren't ready for this yet back in two thousand seven. I'll tell you firsthand is nonsense but Elliott let me just say to play devil's advocate bitcoin literally the the attorneys the actual devil's advocates the advocates for for Epstein were Ken Starr Jay Lefkowitz Alan Dershowitz really expensive high powered people doing all sorts of things to intimidate everyone involved in the case. I'm not saying illegally but within the legal system but and they would I'm sure on the stand tried to destroy every one of the victims. Is there not a case to be made by somebody like Consta- that look these these girls were as we know incredibly vulnerable a lot of them a step away from homelessness according to the Miami Herald report and that it was a mismatch and the most important was getting him in jail and getting them as a registered sex offender and that was the that was the decision he made and maybe it doesn't stand up to scrutiny today but at the time he was trying to do the right thing is is that possible yeah I mean look jail but he was able to go to work every day and continue he'll racking up millions and millions of dollars and so but again yes he's entitled to Lodge Defense and his and his attorneys would it would have been in their right to attack the credibility of witnesses. That's what works in our system but these are fourteen year old girls and there were potentially dozens and dozens of them and so at a certain point yes his high-powered attorneys would have attacked the credibility of the of the victims but they're also very compelling victims. It's a very compelling case with a lot of evidence. I mean what this is exposing. I think is there's inequalities in our system L.. e. pointed out the fact that you'll for Graham a couple of grams of crack rocky still get that kind of above ten year sentence and you were or this many other types of crime for some people wouldn't bat there is at someone going away for much much longer time but I think the fact that we're even talking about it shows that the way that society is willing to brush aside <hes> sex sex assault cases uses sex assault victims so yes this is. I think this exposes inequities in our system more than anything else all right Elliot. Thank you so much for your expertise really appreciated Jillian. Join me on the phone right. Now is Julie Brown. She is the Miami Herald investigative the reporter who broke the Award Winning Epstein Story and has continued to vigorously report on Julie once again congratulations on bringing all of this horrific misjustice to light it is because of you that we are here. <hes> I WANNA ask you about Alex Acosta's press conference first of all. Is there anything that you heard that he said that you do not think to be true. Well there are a number of things and I he managed to presented in a the way that it sounds true. If you really don't read the court records and understand the sequence of events <hes> I guess there's a lot to impact their two areas. I think number one his <hes> argument about the evidence evidence and whether there were adequate <hes> witnesses if the witnesses were strong enough to testify <hes> low key didn't need all thirty he had thirty six girls who all told the same story which is amazing and you know. I talked to only a handful of them and they all said you know exactly what the M._o.. Was You know Sarah would call me. We would set it up for three o'clock. I went into the kitchen. We went up this curving stairway. I mean you you know it isn't just the witnesses and whether they were scared to testify which by the way heard one of the lawyers mentioned you know it is the job the prosecutors to make them feel secure enough to testify and so <hes> you know that. That's one thing and then the second part of this whole thing is the secrecy involved. If this was such a great deal and this was the best they can do then. Why didn't they tell the victims? Why didn't they answer the victim's phone calls? These victims had to hire attorneys specifically quickly to get the prosecutors to answer the phone calls <hes> that doesn't make sense he he mentioned something about this meeting which was very suspect that he had with one of private meeting that he had with one of <hes> epsteins defensive yeah and he he tried to paint that in a way that it isn't really accurate. Yes he's correct. There was a deal that was signed in September but there were other aspects of that deal that were he mentioned Benintendi them. That's key there was an addendum that was still being negotiated and also the part about not informing. The victims wasn't written into that agreement. That was what they discussed at that meeting because does Mr Lefkowitz wrote a letter to Mr Casa after the meeting saying thank you for the meeting. I'm glad we had this discussion and here's what we agree to and if you read that one of the things that they agreed you too was that they weren't gonNa tell the victims so he's he's sort of dancing around it by saying well. We had a piece of paper signed in September. The reality is <hes> that there were a lot of things that that Epstein's lawyers were still fighting for. They really wanted this to go back to the state. <hes> which is exactly what happened. They got what they wanted and Mr Kosta relented and did give it back to the states. Don't necessarily pass the scrutiny of somebody who has spent so much time studying the court records. The case was much stronger that he's making it appear and so on let me ask you. He did put a lot of blame Kosta today at the Palm Beach County Attorney's Office the State Attorney's Office. They're saying that if it hadn't been for the U._S. Attorney <hes> he would have <hes> Epstein would have gone free. Is that accurate well. It is accurate <hes> Barry Krisher <hes> was ready to basically let them off <hes> and avenue that was one of the consternation of the to police the police detective Joe Carey and the police chief were just flabbergasted that they were GonNa that he was going to let them off <hes> he also the grand jury that <hes> AH happens <hes> the I think they only call one witness. They didn't even give the grand jury the evidence of the Palm Beach Police had had collected so that part of it is true but does that mean you still can't prosecute him said really when you know that this is when you find find out this is a sex operation involving recruiters and schedulers and pilots and drivers and money man who paid the girls. I mean that that's a federal federal sex trapping in crime. It's an organization mission so to put it back and say well you know the state prosecutor didn't do his job. We were the heroes now because we took the case over and then give it back to the state prosecutors. I mean it just doesn't make any sense. Let me ask you also truly the constant was asked today about the decision not to tell the victims about the plea deal ahead of time which is against the law as found by a federal judge earlier this year I want you to listen to part of his explanation and they concern and these are the words of the Career Prosecutor that quote she did not want to share with the victims that the office was attempting to secure for them the ability to obtain monetary compensation because she is aware that if she disclosed that and the negotiations fell through through council would use this to question to victims credibility. What was your response when you heard him say that well? There's two problems with that argument. First of all <hes> before the deal was <hes> at the point where Epstein appeared in court and actually was sentenced <hes> she didn't have to tell them that there was an the restitution provisions which by the way I've also been told was extremely unusual because they basically Lee said that they were that turney would be hired and paid for by Epstein to handle these restitution cases which is a conflict. I mean you're having the the perpetrator paid a legal fees for the lawyer WHO's supposed to get these these women money and that whole thing is another whole problem but nevertheless they didn't have to tell them early on that about the restitution provisions they could've still said we have a plea agreement and we're working on this plea agreement number number one and number two when they got to the sentencing part of it then what's their excuse. They're not going to trial what's their excuse then for not telling them about the whole plea deal you could tell them at the point where you know you're not going to trial and they didn't do that either all right Julie Brown of the Miami Herald congratulations again on the justice that you are bringing to the world because of your investigative series <hes> it's really remarkable and I just want to thank you. Thanks for having me Jake coming up much more on our breaking news coming up what secretary cost said when our Kaitlan Collins asked if he would make the same deal today stay with us thanks to better help the world's largest online counseling program for supporting the lead with Jake Tapper we all could benefit from a little therapy and better help makes it so easy to take advantage of. I took the plunge myself to seek out strategies for dealing with stress in stressful relationships from the get-go. 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Does he regret the way he handled that that was a defense. The president used in the Oval Office saying sometimes attorneys or judges don't like the way they handled something but today Alex Acosta so refused to answer directly repeated questions about whether or not he would have changed his course. These questions are always very difficult because we now have twelve years of knowledge in hindsight and we live in a very different world. Today's world treats victims very very differently. Today's world does not allow some of the victim shaming could have taken place at trial twelve years ago. Today's world understands that when interviewing victims when eliciting testimony that testimony can be sometimes contradictory that memories are difficult and so. I don't think we can say you know take a case that is this old and fully know how it play out today now. He says it's this old we should note it was only made eleven years ago and though he said today's world treats victims differently jake. We should also note that under his watch around the same time this plea agreement was negotiated. There were several other sex trafficking cases brought that resulted in much tougher sentences. Even though none of those had dozens of victims like this one did Kaitlyn Collins. I said the Justice Department. Thank you so much <hes>. Let's let's talk about this right now. <hes> A BARBARA COMSTOCK DOC <hes>. Let me ask you a question when you hear a cost to say the today's world is very different than the world of two thousand seven two thousand eight when it comes to victims. You've worked on anti-trafficking legislation. You worked with the Justice Department under both you know a Kosta is that true or is there more of an understanding of victims and different. I mean whatever issues he's talking about. Well over the past ten years when I was in the State House and in Congress we have passed lots of anti human trafficking legislation to improve the situation I've talked to dozens of victims and that's why I would ask and even beg that we focus on the women here first and foremost and getting them justice and Kudos to the reporting on this and then this is now being prosecuted again Epstein. There's all kinds of things you can go at him on financial things. How did he make money you know when someone's engaged in all kinds of activities like this? There's a money trail. That's probably criminal dot needs to be looked at. I would hope somehow somebody could freeze his assets right now so all of these young girls who were victimized by him who should not be blaming themselves that broke my heart to see that girl blaming herself for not coming forward about something that these predators due to that and that's the the secondary victimisation optimizations so none of these young girls blaming themselves they need justice. I'd like to see that Epstein financially bankrupted and then we need to Do D._O._J.. Congressional investigations of how this case was handled on the state and federal level. I think that there needs to be a lot that was the beginning of discussion today but there needs to be a lot more that goes into it but first and foremost let's focus on these young girls and getting them justice. I'm confident there's a lot more victims out there and there's a lot more people a new about things in procured these girls and who also should be brought to justice abby from your perch at the White House you have covered the president as he has faced allegations not from minors but from women and I can't say that they were treated with truant disrespect by the world and the idea that there's no victim blaming in twenty nineteen is completely preposterous for anyone who's been paying attention so it is a puzzling Caitlyn's point is really important. There were other cases at that time. I'm that were prosecuted so I think it's hard to believe that somehow. The world is so dramatically different. Yes we're talking about it more. Maybe we're paying attention to it more but victims face the same challenges today as they did then and <hes> and this administration the situation actually frankly has kind of a problem with this. This is the president who when he's asked about women accusing him of sexual assault says they're not my type and that's where they start on this issue and it makes it harder for them to have credibility on it in a case like this and I think out Sukasto was reaching for an excuse or some explanation for what happened <hes>. It seems that what's really going on here. Is that <hes> Jeffrey. Epstein is an extraordinarily wealthy powerful politically connected person. That's why he believed it was going to be a gamble a roll of the dice to take this to court as opposed to Satellite Ryan constable urged to to do this press conference by President Trump. Obviously he is trying to save his this job but who knows if it worked or not. How do you think he did? What I think the consensus that it wasn't so great for the fact that he couldn't answer Caitlyn's very important question? Would you still do this deal today means. He can't defend the deal. If you can't say you would do it again you you can't defend it and politically you know the question about whether he will resign after this or not or the White House will push him out. It doesn't seem like it's in anyone's interest to have him sticking around right. It doesn't seem like the White House has much of an interest in this story worry festering for them. Especially given the credible accusations against president trump a lot of most democrats are now on the side of calling for his resignation. He's had connections to Democrats which is going to be a political issue. <hes> going forward there eight Democrats that voted to confirm him when a lot of these facts were known <hes> and I don't what's what's in the interest for costas stick around and sort of you know take this take this level of criticism so I would be surprised if he's the labor secretary. I mean there are a lot of people who do that job. If you were advising president trump what would you tell him to do. Cut them loose now sir now now the Labor is came out in the press conference Labor Department. One of its many massive duties is to crack down on human trafficking enforcing some of these laws. Ah Barbara was talking about part of that enforcement is a fund that Congress set up to give grants to foreign countries where sex trafficking victims are coming from where they're essentially enslaved. This makes you proud as an American Mr Costa's justice secretary cost of the trump administration called cut that fund by eighty percent. He was asked about the press conferences well. Let's just Washington Congress. Put the money back in. It's no big deal when you have a record like that giving risk slap to a sex trafficker and now your job is to enforce the laws. Awesome Sex Trafficker Andrew trying to repeal the money congress is giving you to do it yeah. I think it's pretty good case you oughta go as Barbara's. This is a huge issue for conservatives especially evangelical community over the decades in it. It's been a bipartisan issue that we have worked together the other on and it please. Let's focus on these women getting justice because we've talked a lot about these guys you know in the trump administration secretaries come and go every week so you know I I think the real important thing here is how these women going to get justice. Everyone stick around president trump says he could no longer work with him and now the British ambassador is going out the door but major questions remain about the impact of what he said about President Trump. Stay with US remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash C._N._N.. The Twenty Twenty League now today a another Democratic candidate is cozying up to the freshman congresswoman who has become something of a progressive phenomenon by that I'm referring to New York. City congresswoman Alexandria Alexandria Cossio Cortez with whom Senator and presidential candidate Kamala Harris today introducing legislation aimed at helping people with criminal records get housing as C._N._N.'s Ken law now reports many Democratic presidential hopefuls want A._O._C.'s Progressive Star power <hes> with perhaps one notable exception Senator Kamala Harris teaming up with Alexandria Cossio Quartet's Harris and the freshman congresswoman introduced joint legislation an aimed at helping people with criminal records fairly obtained housing planting a flag on the left as Harris hopes to highlight her progressive credits. It's called the unofficial a primary twenty twenty democratic hopefuls vying to be seen as Cossio Cortez's ally and we're teaming up today Elizabeth Warren has hailed her alliance with Ocasio cortes from this video slamming Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin was I tend to a more lighthearted conversation about gender portrayal of women and game of thrones. I'm delighted to be here with Congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Quotas but oh Cossio Cortez has also formed ties with Bernie Sanders. They've teamed up on legislation and stumped together for progressive candidates in the two thousand eighteen midterms. There is no middle ground as sanders rallies progressives in his bid for twenty twenty Cossio Cortez has echoed his very words. I will be damned if the same politicians who refuse to act then are going to try to come back today and say we need a middle of the middle of the road approach to save arline. That was an apparent reference to Joe Biden. He's questioned whether or Cossio Cortez's political brand has mass appeal. I think Cossio Cortez's brilliant bright woman but she wanNA primary in the general election fights who won mainstream Democrats who are very progressive on social issues and very strong on education healthcare in the crowded Twenty Twenty Field Progressive Democrats believe Oh Cossio Cortez's endorsement could help separate one hopeful from the rest or earlier this month. The Cost Cortez signaled who's grabbing her. I what I would like to see in the presidential candidate is one that has a coherent <hes> worldview and logic from which all these policy proposals are coming forward. I think Senator Sanders has that I also think Senator Warren has that Hamil Harris is scheduled to arrive here in Brooklyn and shortly. She is hosting a fund raiser here in New York tonight and Jake this is the very first fundraiser where she is allowing reporters and cameras in Jake or Brooklyn. 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Too and we're back with our twenty twenty league congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortez becoming a key person in the democratic race is multiple Democratic presidential candidates. Try to team up with the popular progressive. She's also a source of tension. I should note Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Oh see according to a source in today's caucus meeting Pelosi said quote you gotTa complaint you come and talk to me about it but do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just okay. I believe it is not. She is not on board with the A._F._C. Mania in the party. This is this is there's been several instances now where they butted heads <hes> when she's been asked in on the record interviews she has been a little bit dismissive of uh-huh see occasionally and she's basically she's a little bit old school in the sense politically you know respect the seniority system respect the leaders in the house and you know don't <hes> you know don't take to social media to settle you take your grievances Dude Internally Paul. How do you see a she? She a strength for the Party and she liability future. She's a female. She's a comet. She's amazing but she's the dot where she is dislike winning a primary Mary by getting precisely fifteen thousand eight hundred ninety seven votes. You want to be president staying about seventy five million votes many of whom don't live in the Bronx or Queens Queens district. What she did was really remarkable and I don't take anything for the Democrats? You're lucky to have her but Nancy Pelosi understands that she got her majority put in the majority by winning in places like Oklahoma and Utah and Georgia and Texas and Bronx Socialism and can play there so Pelosi's right right here in A._B._C.'s a phenomenal gift and a great talent but she's she does need to listen to our tweaker who who really knows what she's doing. WHO's trying to get the country move into progressive direction and congresswoman? I want to show you this video today. Protesters stormed Joe Biden's campaign headquarters quarters in Philadelphia organizers say that these are immigrant or it gets. It's a photograph not video. These are immigrant families separated during Obama and Biden's time in office they went and Biden to apologize for the separations that took place at that period and commit to ending all detentions. Tensions in deportations if elected I mean you know we we talk a lot about how there were also things going on at the border and with the undocumented community under Obama and Biden Obama deported many more of them and here you have a group taking abiding on on the issue of liberal group well it is amazing that you have Nancy Pelosi who is always really the far left wing is now the middle of her party and Joe Biden has been now recast as a right winger. I don't see Joe that way but that that is where the party is going into this socialist who's being universally praised in catered to someone who hasn't passed any legislation hasn't really had aside from getting those fifteen thousand votes has a pretty sparse record but I I think it just shows you how far left the party's gone and also abby. I WANNA show you this senator. Elizabeth Warren was caught in a similar situation in the fact that with progressive activists coming to her a group of young American Progressive Jews caught her at a campaign event Monday ticket. Listen really love it. If you also <hes> Push Matan Occupation yes excellent. We'd really love it. If you also push the Israeli government to end occupation referring to the West Spank and Warren says Yes yes so I'm there. That's a major foreign policy decision. Maybe we shouldn't put it put a pastor that is exactly what she meant. However it's just goes to show I mean these candidates are being confronted not just on the right but on the left and these activists are getting in their faces asking those questions putting it on video we saw this in this twenty sixteen campaign with Hillary Clinton? It makes a big difference in California in <hes> on on the environment people are being caught up with that too. It's a big problem. People have to be prepared. 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He made that very clear in the letter that he wrote this warning saying that it became impossible for him to do his job after these leaked cables and after the response from President trump on twitter himself but the question here is who is who are the Brits going to put to fill these shoes and obviously this was a very abrupt situation and so <hes> government officials sales in Britain are still trying to figure this out over the coming days. They're going to decide if the deputy ambassador is going to take over or if it's going to be someone new they're going to name as the official ambassador but right now in though though a master Derek Eric is going to be resigning he's still the official ambassador to the U._S.. And currently outgoing British Prime Minister Theresa may she stood by Derek the foreign secretary standing by him but it does seem as a possible successor to May Boris Johnson did not in a debate bait he he gave an ambiguous statement did that play any role in the decision to resign. It played a critical role so a senior official on the British side is telling us that in watching that the ambassador recognize that he would not have the vote of confidence from his home government if he decided to stay in this role because Boris Johnson could very well become the prime minister just by the end of this month so it wasn't only the pressure from the U._S.. But it was also the pressure from his own government that they weren't going going to back him all right. Thank you so much appreciated a parade of champions through the eyes of their young inspired admirers. 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State prosecutors move to make Manafort pardon-proof

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State prosecutors move to make Manafort pardon-proof

"The racial matters show. Weeknights at nine eastern on MSNBC. It is Friday. You know, what that means five news cycles of news already crammed into this one day, and we are still waiting for what we think will be a pretty big news maybe sometime tonight from the office of Robert Mueller the special counsel. There is a court order deadline tonight for the special counsel's office to submit to a federal judge in Washington DC, the prosecution's sentencing submission related to President Trump's campaign chairman Paul Manafort now just to be clear about what this is what we are waiting for tonight. You'll remember that Paul Manafort was actually brought up on federal charges in two different neighboring jurisdictions. He was brought up on charges in Virginia. And also in Washington DC, he could have combined to those two seems like in retrospect that might have been a good move. But he didn't so a week ago tonight. We got prosecutors sentencing submission for Manafort in. Virginia case, that's where they recommended that. He served nineteen to twenty four years in prison and that he pay fines and restitution ranging from several million dollars to several tens of millions of dollars. We're still waiting on the defense excuse me that the defense submission in response to that from Paul manafort's defense team in Virginia. We actually think we'll get that response from them a week from tonight on Friday March I thereafter, that judge in that Virginia case, we'll look at that submission from the prosecution. The judge will look at that submission from the defense will look at the sentencing guidelines of what Manafort was convicted of in that trial in his courtroom, and then two weeks from tonight on Friday, March eighth Manafort is due to get his sentence handed down in that case in Virginia. So that's that's everything. That's happened. Thus far on what we're expecting in Virginia. What we're waiting on? Tonight has nothing to do with the Virginia case tonight. We are waiting on prosecutors recommendation for what sentenced Paul Manafort should get in the other case with the case that was brought against him in Washington DC, and that will again start this whole recourse if process where we will get the submission from prosecutors. Then manafort's defense team will submit their own recommendations for his sentence that from manafort's defense team is expected to come in on Monday. And then in this case, the judge will consider both of those submissions from the prosecution and the defense the judge will look at the sentencing guidelines, she will look at the circumstances of manafort's case in her courtroom. And then she will make her own decision on manafort's ultimate sentence for that jurisdiction on March thirteenth. So both of these things are coming to an end. Right. Manafort is coming to the end of the line in both of these neighboring federal jurisdictions where he was charged with federal crimes, and the reason there's so much anticipation about this particular sentencing document, we're going to get on Manafort by tonight's deadline is that for everything we have been through with Manafort, thus far right with the charges in DC in the charges in Virginia and him initially mounting, a joint defence with Rick gates, and then Rick gates peeling off and pleading guilty and becoming a cooperator and Manafort standing firm and saying he wasn't going to plead guilty, and he wasn't going to cooperate. And then metaphor got convicted of a bunch of felonies, and then he did decide to plead guilty, and he did say he would cooperate and that is cooperation deal fell apart. I mean, there was the witness tampering allegations that was the revocation of his bail and jailing him. There were the allegations of lying to prosecutors. Even after his cooperation deal, there's still this dangling thread of manner. It's Russian co-defendant his former employees who who prosecutors on the FBI say is linked to Russian intelligence actively. Now, I mean for all of the drama around the prosecution of Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort what we are expecting tonight. In all likelihood will be the last word from Robert Mueller last word from the special counsel's office about this case about this defendant. And you know, anything can happen. But the way it looks like things are going. This will sort of be it. I mean, and in this document, and this kind of document prosecutors can say as much or as little as they want. They can be as technical as they want or a sweeping in narrative is they want, but as far as we know this sentencing recommendation tonight from the special counsel's office about mall about Paul Manafort will be kind of the final scene between Muller and Manafort, if Muller is ever going to spell out for the public and for the court, the full gravity and the full scope of what the president's campaign chairman, Paul Manafort did wrong. This sentencing document in DC is likely to be the document in which he does that. So because of that expectation. Me and all the prosecute all the prosecutors all the producers who work on this show and everybody else in the country who covers the story. We've all been like, you know, kittens with their claws out hanging from a tree limb all day long waiting for this thing to come out. Now the deadline is technically today that definitely doesn't mean close of business. I guess it just means as long as you can stay up. There is of course, the possibility that the prosecutors will meet the court's deadline, but they will submit something that needs to go through some sort of redaction slash reduction process. And maybe we'll get it tonight. But based on the court's deadline. We weren't expecting to see it today. We shall see few hours left. So we'll have more on that. In a second. Also be covering tonight a big curveball. That was actually thrown into the metaphor case at the last minute today and a big story that was broken by reporter Greg Farrell at Bloomberg news. That's all still ahead. But you should also know that we also got an unexpected news break today from reporters, Juliet eilperin and Lisa rain at the Washington Post about the possibility of a criminal indictment of a recently departed. Trump cabinet official. No, not that one. Not labor secretary, Alex Kosta, we'll be talking about his potential criminal criminal liability a little bit later on this hour too. But that's not who I mean. See Alex Kosta is still US labor secretary, which makes it all the more amazing that we're gonna be talking about his potential, criminal liability tonight. But no this unexpected news that we got this afternoon from the Washington Post was about a former Trump cabinet officials about Ryan Zinke. He is the Trump cabinet official. Who you may remember a signed an interior department staffer to run up to the roof of the department headquarters and put his personal Ryan Zinke is here. Flag up the flagpole. Every time secretary Zinke entered the building he had a special flag that meant Ryan Zinke is in the house, and it was a person's job to run. And put that flag up whenever Zinke walked through the door. By the time. Ryan Zinke announced his resignation as interior secretary on December fifteenth. He was not only famous for that. He was famous for having found his way into no less than fifteen different ethics investigations covering the tenure of his less than two years in office. Although Ryan Zinke has has characterized his December resignation as voluntary he had reportedly been told in November by the White House that if he did not resign as interior secretary. He would be fired. Ryan zinke. On being told that then told White House staffers that okay, he would resign. But he wasn't going to resign. Until after he was able to throw himself a Christmas party at the department of the interior, which he did art of the reason, we know he did is because at that Christmas party he posed for photos in front of a large stuffed bear wearing a Santa cap. He had to stay until he could do that literally the following day the day after he had his interior department Christmas party with the stuffed bear the party that he invited all the lobbyists to. So they could take pictures of him with the dead bear with a Santa hat on the day. After that that is when he finally consented to resign. Once he got that important task done with. One of the things that Ryan Zinke got in trouble for interior secretary was trying to get rid of the interior department's independent inspector general who had brought several of these inquiries into Ryan Zinke on ethics issues. He was not able to get rid of the interior department inspector general despite his best efforts. And it turns out in the end one of the inquiries that she launched into him an inquiry that concerned Ryan Zinke is decision about casino gambling, an Indian tribes in the state of Connecticut. The inspector general's inquiry into that matter went especially pear-shaped for Ryan Zinke, one officials in the inspector general's office came to believe that he had lied to them over the course of their inquiries into that particular scandal. So in late October, the Washington Post reported that had resulted in Ryan Zinke being referred to the Justice department for criminal investigation for potentially lying to investigators will now tonight, the Washington Post reports that the Justice department didn't just. Sit on that criminal referral. Federal prosecutors have now begun presenting evidence to a grand jury in Washington DC with an eye toward potentially indicting Zinke for lying to investigators. As of today, the post reports that Zinke himself has not been called to appear before this grand jury, but offered and rain at the post two sources confirming that in fact, this grand jury has been convened, and although a lot of Trump cabinet officials are Trump cabinet nominees or other senior Trump officials have been driven out of Washington trailed by very serious scandals. Depending on how this goes with the grand jury Ryan Zinke may be the first Trump cabinet official to face a federal criminal indictment. Which is a very serious thing. And if that is where this is going somebody, please save a seat in the courtroom for the stuffed bear. We will be watching that closely. I should tell you as as of yet. There has been no comment from the White House on this reporting at all. But tonight, I can tell you one of our producers from the show was able to reach Mr. Zinke by phone to ask him personally for comment. He did give us a comment on the story tonight. His comment was quote, how the great day. Bye. Bye. That are than no comment. Here's something else. We are watching tonight's as we have been waiting all day on the prosecutor sentencing memo related to Trump campaign chair, Paul Manafort, the New York Times has also just broken some new news on President Trump's longtime lawyer Michael Cohen, as you know, Michael Cohen had been ordered to present himself less than than two weeks. From now, you've been ordered to present himself on March sixth to start his federal prison sentence earlier this week the judge in his case granted him a delay for his prison sentence start date instead of March six Mr. Cohen is now expected to start his his prison sentence on may six that's an extra sixty days before he asked show up and start serving his term. Now, Michael Cohen his lawyers had asked for the delay. The delayed start to his prison sentence for two reasons. First they said, he has recently had shoulder surgery. And he needs time to continue to recover from that surgery. But Secondly, they said he is wanted in congress, and that's been very time consuming in terms of him getting ready to go to prison over three consecutive days. Next week. Michael Cohen is in fact, scheduled to give testimony to three different congressional committees. He'll be talking behind closed doors on Tuesday and on Thursday to the intelligence committees in between those two intelligence committee hearings on Tuesday and Thursday on Wednesday starting at ten AM eastern. There will be whatever is expecting to be a blockbuster day of testimony from Cohen in open session before the house oversight committee under the leadership of democratic chairman Elijah Cummings, and the reason everybody's expecting this to be a bit of a blockbuster. It's not just because it's going to be an open hearing. It's also because of the list of topics that chairman Cummings has publicly released ahead of that testimony to give us all a sense of what is going to be testifying about chairman Cummings has said that he does not want to step on the toes of. Of the intelligence committees. So Cohen will not be asked questions about things that can only be discussed in the secure classified environment that the intelligence committees will offer him for his closed door testimony. But that doesn't mean that in the open hearing, they're only going to be asking Michael Cohen about the weather and what he's packing for his trip to prison. This is the list of topics that Elijah Cummings has announced quote after consulting with the department of Justice. And with chairman Adam Schiff of the house intelligence committee, chairman Cummings has set the scope for the oversight committee's hearing with Mr. Cohen to address the following issues. Number one, you can just stop me here. Number one. The president's debts and payments relating to efforts to influence the two thousand sixteen election. Now, the only debt we know about for the president involve supposedly business related Bank loans with institutions like like Deutsche Bank. We do not know why the oversight committee believes that. The president's debts of any kind may be related to efforts to influence the two thousand sixteen election. Let alone. Why that same committee believes that the president's payments of some kind may be associated with efforts to influence the two thousand sixteen election. But apparently, they think that's an issue that needs to be discussed. And they think Michael Cohen is going to be able to testify on that matter on Wednesday. Oh. Even if that were the only issue they said, they were going to be discussing with Michael Cohen that would probably make for a lot of people watching that hearing with great interest. We don't know what they mean by that. That'll be fascinating to see. But that is only one of ten topics that they are planning to cover with Michael Cohen, according to Elijah Cummings. These are the others quote, the president's compliance with financial disclosure requirements, the president's compliance with campaign finance laws, the president's compliance with tax laws, the president's potential and actual conflicts of interest the president's business practices. We'll come back to that one in a moment. The Trump International hotel in Washington DC for which the president has been sued for allegedly violating the emoluments clause of the constitution. Also, quote, the accuracy of the president's public statements. Oh god. Also, quote, potentially fraudulent or inappropriate practices by Trump foundation. Trump foundation, of course, is the president's sort of charity that has already been the subject of considerable legal wrangling with authorities in the state of New York, and then finally the tenth topic. They say they want to go through with Michael Cohen this open hearing on Wednesday is quote public efforts by the president and his attorney to intimidate Mr. Cohen or others not to testify. So again that is the agenda for Michael Cohen's testimony Wednesday morning, ten AM eastern time. Michael Collins, expected attendance at that hearing and the other closed door hearings. He's going to do next week. Plus the time and effort needed to prepare him for those hearings. Those are things that were cited by Cohen's defense counsel in asking the judge in his case for a delay in his report date to start his federal prison sentence. And as I mentioned this week, the judge agreed and gave him an extra sixty days. In terms of this new stuff from the New York Times tonight about Cohen. I think you have to you have to keep in mind both that expected public testimony from Coen next week. But also the back story of how he got into this pickle in the first place. It was August of last year when Cohen pled guilty to multiple felonies, including two felony campaign finance charges in which he and federal prosecutors told the court that President Trump personally directed into commit those crimes those felony charges were brought against Cohen by federal prosecutors who are operating out of the US attorney's office in the southern district of New York. So that was August. But then surprise in November Michael Cohen turned up back in federal court again to plead guilty to one more felony. And this time not felony charge was not brought by SDN y it was brought by prosecutors from Robert Muller's office, prosecutors working for the special counsel and that one additional felony. That Michael Cohen pled guilty to in November was charge specifically of lying to congress linked to the intelligence committees about something related to the president's business specifically efforts by the president's business to develop a Trump Tower Moscow while Trump was running for president and pleading guilty to that charge. Cohen admitted in court that the negotiations to try to build a Trump Tower in Moscow had extended much later into the course of the presidential campaign, then he'd previously admitted he also admitted to lying about the extent to which those efforts to pursue that Moscow project involved direct contact negotiations between the Trump organization and the Russian government. So he pleads to most of that stuff in August. He pops up again in November to plead to that one additional felony. And then in December soon after he popped up in court to plead guilty to that one additional felony. Michael Cohen was back in that same courtroom before the judge to be sentenced on on all of those felonies put together on the one from the special counsel's office about lying about Trump Tower Moscow, plus all the earlier felonies, including the campaign finance felonies that he pled to after being charged by SDN, y so we had this combined sentencing hearing in December, and you might remember that the special counsel's office basically asked for lenience from the judge for Cohen. They described him as a very valuable cooperating witness, but the other prosecutors the prosecutors from SDN why the prosecutors who have brought most of the charges to which Cohen play guilty. They did not ask the judge for considerable lenience for Michael Cohen, those prosecutors asked the judge to give Michael Cohen significant prison time, I mean, despite the fact that he pled guilty and all the rest of it. Despite the fact that he had offered this very effective cooperation to Robert Muller in the special counsel. That's all well and good. But according to the prosecutors from SDN y Michael Cohen shouldn't be considered a full cooperating witness with them. Frankly, they told the judge they thought that was a lot more that Cohen should have and could have coughed up. If he really did want a break. Told the judge quote with respect to Coen's provision of information to this office, and it's two meetings with him this office assessed Cohen to be forthright and credible and the information he provided was largely consistent with other evidence gathered had Cohen, actually, cooperated it could have been fruitful. He did provide. What could have been useful information about matters relating to ongoing investigations being carried out by this office? But as Cohen partially acknowledges, it was his decision not to pursue full cooperation Cohen repeatedly declined to provide full information about the scope of any additional criminal conduct in which he may have engaged or had knowledge quote, indeed Cohen only met with the office, meaning the ST NY. Prosecutors about the participation of others in the campaign finance crimes to which Cullen had already pled guilty Cohen, specifically declined to beat debriefed on other uncharged criminal conduct. If any in his. Last. Cohen further declined to meet with this office about other areas of investigative interest. As the court is undoubtedly aware in order to successfully cooperate with this office. Witnesses must undergo full debriefings that encompassed their entire criminal history as well as any and all information they possessed about crimes committed by both themselves and others this process permits the office to fully assess the calendar, culpability and complications attended to any potential cooperators and results in cooperating witnesses who having accepted full responsibility for any and all misconduct are credible to law enforcement, and hopefully to judges and juries Cohen affirmatively chose not to pursue this process. Cohen's efforts thus fell well short of cooperation as that term is properly used in this district because Michael Cohen elected not to pursue more fulsome cooperation with this office, including on other subjects and on his own history. This office cannot assess the overall level of Cohen's cooperation to be significant. And so judge throw him in jail. And that is in part. How Michael Cohen ended up with a three year prison sentence that he was starting a couple of weeks. He will now start it in may. And by all anecdote accounts, Michael Cohen was shocked to get a three year prison sentence. It was clear to observers in the courtroom. That has family was definitely shocked by the length of that sentence. But now, here's the thing. We are going to have some expert help here in a second to explain this better. I am not a lawyer nobody should ever site. Anything? I say in their own defense in court. But as I understand it under federal law, you do sort of have one more card to play potentially. After you've been given your sentenced by a federal judge. If prosecutors are interested in what you may have to say, and if you can offer prosecutors substantial assistance toward the investigation or prosecution of another person, even after you have been sentenced prosecutors can go back to the judge who sentenced you and ask that judge after the fact to please revise your sentenced to make it more lenient to reflect the fact that you have offered now such helpful cooperation, even if you did it after you got some st-. I. And that provision in federal law. I'm not sure if that's what's motivating Michael Cohen to do what he's doing now. But the New York Times today reports that he is now cintas set since his sentence ahead of him reporting to federal prison. He is meeting with federal prosecutors now, and he reportedly giving them at least interesting if not valuable information, the New York Times reports tonight that Mr. Cohen has apparently opened up some new spigots of information that potentially relate to the president in his conversations with prosecutors in SDN y prosecutors in that same office that brought oh those felony charges against him. Who who thereafter told the judge hearing his case that he was not being all that cooperative quoting from the times. Michael Cohen, President Trump's former lawyer and fixer met last month with federal prosecutors in Manhattan, offering information about possible irregularities within the president's family business. Also. About a donor to the inaugural committee, quote, Mr. Cohen who worked at the Trump organization for a decade spoke with the prosecutors about insurance claims the Trump organization had filed over the years time society people familiar with the matter the time says that these people familiar with the matter quote did not elaborate on the nature of the possible irregularities at the Trump organization that Mr. Cohen has been talking to prosecutors about but remember these are the same. Prosecutors who already got Michael Cohen to plead guilty to those campaign, finance felonies. In which they said, the president himself was implicated, and in which at least in one instance. The the money for those campaign finance felonies appears to have been basically laundered through the president's business through the Trump organization where they appear to have falsely booked those illegal campaign donations as expenses for a legal retainer. That wasn't a real thing. Well, now with the times is reporting is that Michael Cohen has expanded his cooperation with those same. Prosecutors to include something else about the president's business. Something else related to insurance claims that the company has fire filed over time, we do not know anything at all about what those insurance claims might be or how serious this might be. But I imagine Mr. Cohen will be asked about that in open session in congress on Wednesday morning. And if this does turn out to be valuable information as pertains to the investigation and prosecution of another person, we may find out yet more about it in the form of some request for a sentence reduction from SDN y prosecutors back at that judge who already gave Cohen three years. Told you it's been a big day. But again tonight we are waiting on the special counsel's office as it pertains to the president's campaign chairman, and we've got details on that including that new curveball in the metaphor case coming up next. Like everybody else. We are waiting tonight on the special counsel's office Robert Muller's office, which is up against a court order deadline tonight to file its submission as to how that office believes Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort should be sentenced in federal court in Washington DC, we do not yet know what Manafort will be facing in DC. We know he's already facing potentially up to twenty four years in prison based on his case in Virginia. One consequence of the fact that Paul Manafort is potentially looking at a hugely long sentence or sentences is that that has led to ongoing and now increase in discussions about whether or not the president might see Paul Manafort as a candidate for a pardon both because of the long sentence in itself. But also, honestly because a good part of the reason why why Paul Manafort is looking at such a long sentence right now is because he blew up his cooperation deal with prosecutors and part of the way he blew up his cooperation deal with prosecutors was by trying to conceal from them. The extent of his communications with a guy linked to Russian military intelligence, which means he was trying to conceal from. Prosecutors. The extent of communications between the Trump campaign at the highest levels and a person linked to Russian military intelligence during the time when Russian military intelligence was intervening in the US presidential election to benefit Donald Trump. That was nice of him to do that. Especially if it's going to cost him the rest of his life in prison. Both manafort's long expected sentence. And the reason he got it have led to fierce slash expectations that the president might want to pardon Manafort, and those fears slash expectations lead perhaps inexorably today to this scoop from Greg Farrell at Bloomberg news glad Greg Farrell at Bloomberg news was first to report today that even if Paul Manafort is pardoned by President Trump Manafort might still be looking at significant legal jeopardy and potentially significant prison time because a presidential pardon. Only gets you off the hook for federal crimes and Manafort is reportedly now staring down the barrel of serious New York state charges as well. And a federal pardon can't help you there, quote, New York state. Prosecutors have put together a criminal case against Paul Manafort that they could file quickly if the former chairman of Donald Trump's two thousand sixteen campaign receives a presidential pardon the quote array of tax. And other charges against Manafort are being seen as an insurance policy should the president exercises power to Fremantle for it with a pardon or commutation. So again, this was first reported today by Bloomberg news, which reported that these charges would be brought in New York state. If Manafort were pardoned by President Trump, the story was then followed by the New York Times, which reported that Manafort, we'll be looking at these state charges soon whether or not he's going to get a pardon from President Trump. Now, theoretically, this is a way to circuit any effort by the president to shield his campaign chairman from jail time. But this also isn't a simple thing. I mean, if Paul Manafort has already been charged with these crimes with these tax fraud charges and Bank fraud charges and other related charges. If he's already been charged with these things at the federal level, he can't just charged with them again at the state level. Right. Isn't that something called double jeopardy? Aren't you supposedly protected from that by the constitution? Joining us now is Barbara mcquade. Former US attorney in Michigan. Barb I have been being amateur lawyer here tonight. I'm so glad you're here to rescue me. Thanks, Rachel, you know, coincidentally, we just talked about this in my law school class today. So I'm all over it. The double jeopardy issue. Yes. Okay. We'll tell me as as as a lay observer, why wouldn't do as I understand it double jeopardy means. You can't be charged with the same thing twice. How can it be that state? Prosecutors might charge Paul Manafort for essentially the same set. A fax we've seen lane out in his court cases in federal court after he's already been charged with these things at the federal level. Well, in most states there is this concept known as the dual sovereignty doctrine, it says you can be charged in the federal system after you've already been charged in the state. That's actually an issue that is currently before the supreme court this term, but New York actually has more stringent double jeopardy laws than the federal system. So New York once you've been charged federally. You can't be charged with the same crime in the state system. But there are lots of other potential crimes to choose from. So for example, Paul Manafort has been charged with federal tax violations. There's nothing to prevent New York for bringing state tax violations. There may be other crimes. I have read in that same report that there are record keeping violations that are potentially available to charge in New York. So as long as they're different crimes, there would not be a double jeopardy problem. So even if it is the same general set of conduct as long. Long as you're not being charged with the exact same crime. You can sort of weave your way through the double jeopardy restrictions. Yeah. In New York where it is a little bit more stringent. They still have lots of other opportunities to look at things if the elements of the offenses are different than typically, you're going to be a blue avoid double jeopardy. Okay. And in terms of the details are one of the things that's being reported is that this isn't just a plan in among New York state. Prosecutors there are reports that a state grand jury is already considering everything evidence against Manafort on state crimes in that. This grand jury, for example, issued subpoenas to a couple of banks who are implicated in manafort's conduct. Does the fact that a grand jury is already receiving evidence indicate to you that prosecutors believe they've already sort of solved those issues about whether or not he is liable to state prosecution here, I think they would not convene a grand jury. If they didn't think they had the potential for bringing case, so they have already looked through the legal problem. And now they're just trying to build a factual basis for bringing the charges before Granja. They wouldn't bother to present evidence before a grand jury if they thought it was legally barred in the end, okay. Let me also ask you barb about this new reporting that we've had from the New York Times about Michael Cohen Michael Cohen is due to start his prison sentence. Soon is looking at three years in prison. The New York Times reports tonight that he has been back again sitting down with prosecutors Sinton's sentencing, offering them new information he hadn't previously talked to them about about potential irregularities or questionable conduct by the president's business. And we have very little information about what those irregularities or that conduct might be and how serious it might be. It said to be related in part to insurance claims made by the Trump organization. My again, lay observers take on this is that this might be an effort by Michael Cohen to try to have his sentence. Reduced even though he's already been sentenced to try to get the judge in his case to go back and lighten his load, basically because of cooperation that he's doing with prosecutors right now even while he's on his way to prison. Yes. And you stated the rule correctly earlier. There is a rule of criminal procedure rule thirty five that says up to one year after your sentencing, a defendant still can have his sentence reduced for substantial assistance on motion of the government. So only if the government believes that the cooperation has reached in it's a term of art substantial assistance. The government may move and ask the court to reduce the sentence that was already imposed. So he could continue to earn a reduction by providing information either even after his sentencing, and with the government only do that with they only move to reduce his sentence or to ask the judge to reduce the sentence. If that information in fact, contributed to contributed meaningfully to a new investigation or a new prosecution would it have to actually go somewhere or would have to just be a good try? It has actually go somewhere substantial assistance is a term of art. It has a definition. It means providing assistance in the investigation or prosecution of others many times, we would have people come in and try to provide. Substantial assistance. They would share information with you. And it just didn't pan out. It wasn't very good information or you could not corroborate it. And so it has to arise rise to that level in order for Michael Cohen to receive that credit. So he has an incentive to provide. Good information. Barbara mcquade former US attorney in the eastern district of Michigan Barr. Thank you perfect. Really appreciate being here. Thanks Rachel much. More headsets tonight. Stay with us. He's a well connected. Multimillionaires surrounded himself with powerful high profile people it's been friends with people like former President Bill Clinton and current President Donald Trump and member of the British Royal family in two thousand and five Florida police, and then the FBI started investigating him, and what they turned up was a horror movie investigators found that this man named Jeffrey Epstein was essentially running a sprawling criminal operation to sexually assault and rape, lots of underage girls. Jeffrey Epstein was in his fifties. Many of his victims were kids girls as young as thirteen the FBI was able to identify dozens of girls who had been Epsteins victims. They prepare to fifty three page document laying out federal charges which could have easily sent Epstein to prison for the rest of his life. But that of course is not what happened to Jeffrey. Epstein because the US attorney in. In that case, the man who is currently President Trump's secretary of labor. He made a deal that saved. Jeffrey Epstein from being charged with any federal crimes, and that also prevented federal charges against any potential accomplices of Jeffrey Epstein as well back when that FBI investigation was going on Alex Kosta was the US attorney in that part of Florida instead of charging Jeffrey Epstein with child sex crimes a cost cut a deal with him. He allowed Epstein to enter into a non-prosecution agreement which gave up Stein immunity from all federal charges instead of student was allowed to plead guilty to two state charges for prostitution because definitely when you're doing this kind of stuff to kids it matters, whether or not you're paying them. That's what the law cares about clearly there prostitutes. He served thirteen months in a county jail a county jail sentence where he was mostly allowed to spend time in his office. Six days a week doing whatever he wanted to do because there was a generous work release program set up just for him. He was also in a private wing of that lockup. Alex cost then the top prosecutor in Florida. He was the one who approved that deal with Jeffrey Epstein, and it's turned out to be very important to that story that Mr. Kosta agreed to do that deal in secret. There's a federal law law called the crime victims Rights Act, which gives crime victims, the right to be told when there are plenty Goshi going on in their case, they have the right to be present for any kind of hearing or sentencing, but Alex accosted didn't notice notify Epstein spic Dems before he granted him that plea deal the non-prosecution agreement. Right. He waited until the whole thing was signed done and dusted before any of the victims found out about it until it was too late for any of them to do or say anything about it. Dozens of victims. They had no chance to object to that deal. No chance to appear. It. Epstein sentencing hearing, no chance to tell their stories about what had happened to them or how his behavior had affected their lives. I mean, those are all rights that were afforded to them under the law. Not just under. Common sense of decency but under the law, and they didn't get that. And so two of them sued the government, they didn't suit. Epstein they sued the government alleging that Alex Costa and his team of prosecutors broke federal law when they kept secret from Epsteins victims, the fact that they gave Epstein this non-prosecution deal for all federal crimes. So that lawsuit was filed eleven years ago. Yesterday, a federal judge agreed with those victims if federal judge in southern Florida ruled that the current secretary of labor, Alex Kosta, in fact, broke the law when he negotiated that sweet deal for this serial sex offender, and then agreed to keep it secret from abstains victims, and that is an astonishing turn right after eleven years eleven years, this has been pending astonishing turn in this astonishing, and repulsive and incredible case. But now, here's the thing. And this is something where I actually have. I have no idea how this is going to turn out. I mean, despite this clarion ruling from the judge against a cost and the other prosecutors yesterday, the judge yesterday did not issue a remedy. He said he has found that the prosecutors broke the law, but he says that now both sides can take fifteen days to decide how they wish to proceed in terms of figuring out what the remedy ought to be in this case. Meanwhile, of course, as we wait out those fifteen days now, fourteen days to see what could potentially be the remedy here. So far, Alex Kosta is still serving as the US secretary of labor. White House asked repeatedly about this matter. It said finally today they are quote looking into it. But that is far as anybody knows the president has not lost confidence in his labor secretary. When Alex Kosta was picked to be in the president's cabinet. He was asked about his handling of the Jeffrey Epstein case at his confirmation hearings at the time. Mr Costa defended the deal, he gave to Jeffrey Epstein the non-prosecution deal. He said the outcome of the Epstein case was quote a point of pride. But all this time it took more than a decade for their case to get through the federal courts. But all this time that the victims have been seeking this Justice, Alex Akasa has never really explained why he gave Jeffrey Epstein that deal. And he's definitely never explained. Why he kept the whole thing? A secret. The reporter who broke the story wide open. And who changed the course of this case for us for the country. Will join us next. Stay with us. Reporter Julie K Brown from the Miami Herald just wanna poke award for her Lindmark reporting on the Jeffrey Epstein case and specifically the efforts by his multiple child sex abuse victims to try to get Justice in his case. And to find out how and why federal prosecutors gave Jeffrey Epstein a secret non-prosecution agreement without ever notifying victims. Now, a judge has sided with those victims for the first time that they have for the first time in more than the decade that they have been pursuing this matter. Julie brown. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Congratulations on your coverage of the story thus far. Thank you wanted to ask you what you think will be the impact of this judge's ruling yesterday. I was struck by the fact that he's told the two sides in this case to go talk amongst themselves to try to work it out over the course of two weeks to suggest a potential remedy here. What do you think is the range of possibilities? Well, I know that the the victims the the young women who were girls at the time this happened. I know that what they ultimately would like, and that would be for them to invalidate this agreement and eventually bring him get him to federal prison on they feel that he should have been held accountable for this crime, which was which involved really even though prosecutors only listed about three dozen girls over the course of the past eleven years as these cases have been litigated. We know that there are probably over one hundred girls. So this the vast -ness of this crime, they believe dictates that he should he should serve some time in federal federal prison. The judge made a point in his ruling yesterday of mentioning that Epstein's crimes took place not just in Florida, but interstate and internationally, do you think that opens the door for other prosecutor? And other jurisdictions to to bring charges against Epstein prosecutors who might not have considered this relevant to them to their own cases before. Well, certainly the victims lawyers believe that to be the case there have been two women that came forward that said that they were trafficked by Epstein in New York and in the US Virgin Islands at his home on on his private island as well. As in Europe. There's other people who have also given the government evidence over the past. I would say five years that indicates that this crime went far beyond Florida and even really overseas. Julia if you don't mind sticking with us for one second, I have one other question. I wanted to ask you about the involvement of the man who is now labor secretary, Alex Kosta and the brewing storm around his role here. Can you stay with us for just one more segment? Sure. Absolutely Julie Kate Brown reporter from the Miami Herald. We'll be right back with her just after the stay with us. Julie k Brown is an award-winning reporter from the Miami Herald, she really has broken open the Jeffrey Epstein child-sex-abuse case. Julia, thanks for staying with us labor secretary, Alex Kosta was the US turning the federal prosecutor who was leading. The Epstein case. A federal judge has now ruled that a cost and his office broke the law when they gave Epstein this non-prosecution agreement without ever telling Epsteins victims one of the things that I have had a hard time following in. This story is the question of why a costal offered this plea deal to Jeffrey Epstein in the first place. He has defended at vaguely he's called it a point of pride. He's never answered questions as far as I can tell about why he kept this deal. He did with Stein secret from Epsteins victims. Do you have any insight into that? Do you think this is a noble thing? Well, he's given a lot of different reasons over the years, none of them which dress the key points of the key things that have disturbed the victims one of which was the confidential agreement that was designed you can see it in the in the emails that they that he and other prosecutors passed between Epsteins lawyers. It's clear from those emails that this whole thing was designed to avoid the victims finding out about it and also to avoid public scrutiny because there was quite a bit of discussion about how do we avoid the media? You know, we don't want them to find out about this. Well, the reason why they don't want the media to find about it. They want the victims to find out about it. And they didn't want people to know how extensive this crime was reasons why he did it are still somewhat. Of a mystery. I think that they didn't think that these girls that these were throwaway girls, basically, they came from very poor families. They were young. I don't I think they underestimated quite frankly, the the way the girls were going to handle this over the by suing them K Brown. Our reporter for the Miami Herald, congratulations again for your work on on this storage. Thanks for being here. We'll be right. One last piece of news for you tonight. It is about that botched congressional election in North Carolina where this week there were three days of testimony about a Republican political operatives elaborate widespread ballot fraud scheme to help the Republican congressional candidate win the state elections board has ruled that that election was so tainted they will have a do over. But now finally we are hearing about potential criminal charges in that case as well. The district attorney in Wake County North Carolina today said she is planning to bring the case to a grand jury. She says she is receiving information that was obtained over the course of the elections board investigation into this matter. She says that she expects to be convenient grand jury to bring potential charges on this matter within the next month. No rush that does it for us tonight. We'll see again on Monday, the meadow show, weeknights at nine on MSNBC.

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Day 1,399: Stewing over Biden's win, Trump is silent as U.S. Covid-19 deaths top 250,000

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

47:56 min | 2 months ago

Day 1,399: Stewing over Biden's win, Trump is silent as U.S. Covid-19 deaths top 250,000

"Well good evening once again day. Thirteen hundred ninety nine of the trump administration. Sixty three days until the inauguration fifteen since the presidential election and eleven days since joe biden was declared the winner of the race. And yes we have a president who refuses to concede. He loses his power of office at noon on january twentieth. The rest of it is petulance and politics and paperwork and it's all happening against this god awful and uncontrolled pandemic that again today reached another awful milestone the death toll today when over a quarter of a million americans people who were with us at the start of twenty twenty will now not be here to see another new year's eve map shows just how wide spread the virus is where the cases are. This was put out by the government. Take a moment look at the area of red fine where you live where your friends and family live. This is a snapshot of our country. As of tonight also as of this evening there are nearly eight. Hundred thousand americans hospitalized with covid nineteen. That's another all time high yet. Today was another day of radio. Silence from the president as he stayed hunkered down in the white house. He continues to watch tv. He remains a constant presence on social media spreading more falsehoods disinformation. About joe. biden's election victory. We did hear from trump's press secretary who insists. The president is focused on his job. Well the president's hard at work he's hard at work on covert among other issues. I'm sure you'll hear from him at the right moment. The administration's testings are had a very different view. The afternoon he sounded the alarm about our current situation. Right now we are in the steepest read of rise. In numbers of cases are hospitalizations are going up. Twenty five percent week over week are deaths are going up by twenty five percent week over week and this is not going in the right direction. We were at the most serious and dangerous part of the pandemic a new study estimates. There may be as many as three point. Six million people in this country infected and shedding enough virus to infect others around them a wave of new restrictions stay at home advisories mask mandates now accelerating as governors impose more rules to try to slow the infections. Starting tomorrow new york city's public schools will be closed indefinitely new york home to the nation's largest school system of course it is the city's second system wide shutdown due to this virus. The president-elect continues to focus on the virus even as the outgoing administration continues to block the formal transition. Today biden acknowledged what his is up against. We should be further along one of the problems that we're having now. Is the failure of the administration to recognize. The law says that the general services administration has a person who recognizes who the winner is and then they have to have access to all the data and information that the government possesses to be prepared. And it doesn't require thirty. Be an absolute winner and says the apparent winner. We've been unable to get access to the kinds of things. We need to know about the depth to the stockpiles reno. There's not much at all. There's a whole lot of things that are just we just don't have available to us unless has made available soon. We're going to be behind by weeks months. We do have this tonight and it does apply to common sense to biden. Transition officials are telling. Nbc news that a few current and former trump administration officials have begun reaching out privately backchannel to the biden transition team but health and human services secretary. Alex as today made it clear. He has no intention of cooperating until the white house acknowledges joe biden is the president elect. And just a note as you watch this. Please remember this is a fully grown man. The man in the cabinet with oversight over our health scared to death of crossing his boss in a nation with a quarter million dead. So we've made it very clear that. Gsa makes a determination. We will ensure complete cooperative. Professional transitions an planning. But that's we follow the guidance. We're about getting vaccines and therapeutics invented and get the clinical trial doubt and saving lives here. We did learn today. That new data from pfizer shows its vaccine. Ninety five percent effective company says it will soon ask the government for emergency authorization which could mean distribution to high risk groups by the end of this year as we mentioned trump remains laser focus not on the pandemic but on his effort to somehow overturned the results of the election today in decided to spend three million for a partial recount in wisconsin a state trump's projected to lose by over twenty thousand votes. His campaign wants recounts in democratic strongholds of milwaukee county and dane county biden beat trump and milwaukee county by four percentage points four zero trump loss dane county by over fifty percentage points. The trump campaign says it selected these two counties because they are the locations of the worst. Irregularities state of georgia's been carrying out that hand recount as you know since friday officials. There say they expect to announce the results tomorrow and that biden will remain in the lead. Were also keeping an eye on fallout from trump's online firing of election security official. Chris crabs today one. Republican ally of trump's seem to indicate some level of exhaustion with the lame duck president scorched earth tactics. It's presence for. But i think dads to the confusion. I'm i'm. I'm sure i'm not the only one that would like some return to a more of a lot on ignored soon. What's normal the called the next. It's not the new normal. It's the next january the twentieth. We'll have a peaceful transition of power and then that will be the next door with that. Let's bring in our bring in our leadoff guests on this wednesday night. Three returning veterans and nita kumar white house correspondent associate editor at politico robert costa national political reporter with the washington post also moderator of washington. Week on pbs and erin hanes and ap veteran now editor at large for the nineteenth a nonprofit nonpartisan newsroom focused on stories about gender politics and policy. Good evening and welcome to you all robert identify of your most recent reporting. I'd like to begin with you. Tell us about your new reporting on this overturned the election strategy and i. i'm sure. I joined the americans in our audience. Who can't wait to hear this. Brian in brief just published a story at the washington post for tomorrow's paper in which you have is a president who's in bunker mode talking to rudy giuliani and they see the numbers they see the numbers across the political map and they privately acknowledge trump allies to me and other reporters that this election is loss at. Its president-elect biden but publicly. They want to continue to raise doubts about the integrity of the election. And it's now not so much about claiming voter fraud or making baseless claims election fraud. it's about pushing republicans in different states to disrupt the selection of electoral to the electoral college. In some way to try to decertify results on election boards so voters across the country. Just don't believe on the republican side that the election was done in a fair way. That's the intent of all that you're seeing right now. I mean it's being driven. Not only by rudy giuliani but outside figures on the right like mark levin and steve bannon who who remains very close to rudy giuliani. So steve bannon to your point who we last heard from when he called for fau she and the fbi director to be beheaded. Still according to your reporting has a direct line into effect anything from policy to talking points in this. He is based on our reporting tonight. Very close to rudy giuliani and every day ban in his out there along with others. Abandoned circle giuliani circle. Stirring the pot legally politically making baseless claims trying to make the electoral college a target. In a way it has never been and so you have rudy. Giuliani talking to the president. And some of the people around the president's campaign are uncomfortable with this. Of course they're not speaking out publicly. They don't wanna public fight but they see giuliani is driving. This and bannon's driving giuliani and the conservative media. Echo chamber is amplifying all of it so anita what. Can you add to these reports on our network in at least one other of tentative outreach going on less so from within the trump camp more so from people who've and there's growing list have recently departed that trump camp into the biden campaign the presidency in waiting in some cases they this is valuable stuff that they need to know. I mean if you talk to the folks over the biden team they tell you that they are comfortable with a lot of things you know. They've been working on policy. They've been working on who they're going to bring in and of course. This is someone who was vice president. He knows a lot of people that were in that administration that are going to be back so really what they're looking for. Is that real time information that you just showed a clip joe biden talking about how they're not getting those specific information about a numbers in that sort of thing. So yeah there are a number of people of course from the obama administration now From the trump administration hearing some people that used to work there. That are feeling like. Let's get this going. There is a sense not from rudy. Giuliani in this small circle but many people at the campaign and the white house that this is over really actually. The the hiring of rudy giuliani really last week of the last straw. For a lot of people they feel like it is over. Let's get on with this transition. Let's get on with leaving in a couple months. That realization is there. It's it's there for so many people except for this small circle that is talking president. Aaron while eight is notable in. It's one thing for us to say that trump hasn't taken questions in twelve days because for him. That is so highly unusual so much. Tv to watch so much twitter so little time There's another thing where that order seems to have trickled down through senior members of his administration. Here now a sampling. God bless our women and men in uniform. Thank you very much question. Taliban questions thank you very much. Have a great day. Thank you very much. have a great day. The meeting aaron. You know very little happens by accident especially with the attention of the world upon you as so if they don't wanna talk about the job the levers of government the pandemic god forbid why do they wanna stick around and stay in the job. Good good question brian. Listening you use. You mentioned the press secretary saying that. The president was going to emerge at the right time to address. This pandemic win would be the right time. Would it have been the week of the election when this pandemic was was raging and we saw the wave coming back be tomorrow which would be a week from thanksgiving is as families are considering gathering and could maybe use some guidance from national officials about whether or not that's a good idea and maybe what precautions people should be taking to keep themselves and their loved one safe into keep trying to get these numbers back under control as you're seeing officials at the and local level attempting to do in. The absence of a national plan. Win win is going to be the right time. I wonder and not just for the president but really for anybody who was concerned about the health and safety of their fellow americans as this pandemic continues to rage out of control. Look i mean we can debate. Who the number one draft pick should have been tonight in the nba. Draft or georgia's anthony edwards should be playing. But but we can't debate is is that you know. The result of this election are pretty much settled and that is not going to change. Although i do think there should be some concern about this voter certification effort that that robert mentioned that his reporting. It's talking about because where are we talking about The voter certification efforts happening places. Like detroit places like atlanta places like milwaukee right and has a chilling effect on black the black and brown voters That are being targeted in those places even as you have a runoff in georgia where maybe people where the electorate could be expanded are wondering. Well gee if. I cast my ballot in this runoff. Is it going to count. could it possibly be challenged. This is not just about the outcome of this election. Which i think most of us have have accepted as as having been decided with the president whether he wants to ignore or not address this pandemic or you know. Try to stall the results of this election. What we know is that both the pandemic and at this election the results only become more true as we go along. Erin thank you by the way for your reminders of what's important in the outside world. It's why i often get off the air and watch mr van pelt because sports often reminds us. What is normal out there. Hey mr kosta out with the caveat that yes you got it with the caveat that all the people i mentioned i imagine you're going to mention want their names withheld less they get tweeted about. I know you've talked. To republicans i know fuses are getting shorter on just how much appetite there is for any more of this obstruction. What do you know well. Some of them are starting put their names out there. Brian scott read that one of the biggest republican strategists out. There who is iran bob dole. Ninety six was the longtime strategist for. The chamber of commerce was really plugged in with leader. Mcconnell's political orbit the biggest donors in the country. He told the post tonight. His words this is a clown car. That giuliani's running abandons being aggressive but doesn't have a plan. He thinks this whole push to call it voter fraud in the elections rigged. Now trying to make a triple bank shot to the electoral. College doesn't have coherence. So scott reed speaking out others. On capitol hill are privately. Speaking out you john. Cornyn comments the texas senator. They want to return to normal. They want some kind of change here. They're not going to have a public brawl with president. Who's sitting there at sixteen hundred a stewing about not really sure how to concede if he ever will concede as he thinks about his brand. But this is a republican party. Believe me based on my conversations all day today they're ready to move on they're not ready to rebuke him. But they're ready to move on. Anita this is a president. I'm reminded who arrived in erie. Pa days from the election and promptly told the audience and irie that he never would have come back to erie. Pa did he not need that area geographically for the electoral map. Whatever happened that reporting that this was gonna be Woodstock easy endless summer that he was just going to go back out on the road and do rallies ordered the thought of one hundred and thirty secret service agents in quarantine and spikes and corona virus. And all the states he want wanna visit. Get the better of them. Think there couple of reasons for that and you didn't mention one of the other reasons. Which is it takes a lot of money to go out on the road and put on these massive rallies that people talked about there are people close to him that are urging him to do that that he should not leave the white house unless he gets back out on the road for these rallies. There've been a number of times that we've that he was supposed to go to mar-a-lago his place down in south florida in pretty much every week. We've been hearing for the last couple of weeks every weekend. He was going to go white scheduled to go for thanksgiving. You saw him cancel that why people are telling him to do is look if you wanna look like you're fighting. You're fighting this election. You wanna look serious. You can't down. Go down to south. Florida and party. You need to stay at the white house. Look like you're hunkering down fighting this thing so you see him there. You're not seeing the rallies. I think in part because these legal These lawsuits recounts are expensive in wisconsin. You mentioned no cost three million dollars for them to ask recount just in two counties had they done the entire state it would have been about eight or nine million dollars so You know there's some concerns about that but they're basically saying people are telling him stay at the white house You know look like you're fighting this now. There are some people that say look. He should come out and talk about things that are happening. These changes he's making policies. He's pushing in the corona virus. And we just haven't seen him do that. Aaron i need forty five seconds of brilliance. What about the democrats come Trying to combat. What's happening right now. As a form of voter suppression. Well listen joe. Biden's lead is approaching eighty million votes in this country and climbing. They're still counting votes in california and new york according to my former employer the associated. Press in voter turnout in this election. Sixty five percent which is a rate that we have not seen since madam vice president elect kamla harris. A sorority was incorporated. And you can look up that year. If you are interested to know as a little bit of trivia are aaron some other broadcast will get into the definition of ski we But thank you for tonight. And for always aaron hanes. Anita whom are robert costa. Our big three to start us off tonight. Greatly appreciated gang. Thank you coming up. Empty beds are getting hard to come by hospitals nationwide. The mayor of one hard hit city in iowa says people need to wake up. We'll hear from him next and later no matter donald trump's view of reality. His reality is that he loses the power of the office at twelve noon on january. Twenty will ask bill kristol about the future of the pliant political party. He will leave behind in his wake in washington as the eleventh hour is just getting underway on this wednesday night. You're taking my are responsible for taking my child away from my rents. Would if the people who were supposed to be committed to your children's safety are actually doing more harm than good do know harm from nbc news and wondering pulls back the curtain on a system so committed to protecting children. that can tear families apart in this week's episode. Melissa and dylan bright believe child. Protective services has moved on from their case and they try to do the same but when a cps worker comes to their door it's the beginning of the hardest night of their lives. I love that child hug in the world. That was going to make what was about to happen not happen. I want her to hug me. And not let go for the rest of eternity. Because i don't know when on hooker again search for do no harm wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Hey everyone it's mainly msnbc correspondent and host of the podcast into america in his first address to the nation as president elect. Joe biden made a promise the black voters. You've always had my back. And i'll have yours. He said in this episode britney smalls pennsylvania state coordinator for black voters. Matter takes me through just how much work went into. Black voters turning out for biden. The thing about is. We don't lay out a plan for our folks. We let the folks so what they need in their communities and msnbc analyst eddie glowed breaks down what it would really look like for bind to deliver on that promise and have the backs of black americans over the next four years. Well you know. He has to change the center of gravity of his politics. And what i mean by that. He has to change who matters to his conception of politics. Search for into america wherever you're listening now and subscribe. As new. coronavirus cases skyrocket. Some republican governors who refused mask. Orders are now issuing them. Iowa has seen a huge spike in new cases since early. November hospitals are strained after no mask mandate for months iowa governor kim reynolds reverse course and started requiring masks indoors. Mayor bob scott of sioux city iowa told the new york times and we quote. This should happened three weeks ago. He said pointing to the dwindling rome at hospitals. We don't have that many beds left with that. We welcome to this broadcast. The aforementioned bob scott mayor of the great city of sioux city iowa. We also welcome back to this broadcast. Doctor irwin redlener a pediatric physician. Senior research scholar at columbia. University's earth institute happens to be the founding director of colombia's national center for disaster preparedness. Gentlemen welcome to you both Mister mayor. I'm happy to say that i've spent a lot of time in your great town Friend of mine was The great Sioux city iowa broadcaster bill turner who we just lost this past summer at the age of ninety so I'm happy to tell you. I have enjoyed sioux city iowa over the years having established that what are you looking at tonight concerning your case rate concerning available. Icu beds and concerning mask wearing. I visited with the hospital. Administrators sent some text back and forth. Today we're okay as far as hospital beds right now. They they come and go and they go up and down. More concern is our local medical professionals. That are on the front line now. I guess two or three months with really heavy numbers. And there's going to be a burn out factor here is something doesn't change real quickly for sioux city. A few and i walked down the main drag Tomorrow let's say lunchtime. What percentage of people would we see wearing masks over islands. And so we have an opinion about everything Probably at least. I would say that the number might be hired day. Probably sixty percents A week ago. I would've probably told you. Maybe forty percents irwin redlener. I wanna to read you something from the new york times. It's kind of a of a shocking quote this is about vaccine distribution. We absolutely do not have enough to pull this off. Successfully says dr. thomas dobbs the third state health officer of mississippi. This is going to be a phenomenal logistical feat to vaccinate everybody in the country. We absolutely have zero margin for failure. We really have to get this right. So dr Take states like mississippi. Arkansas take states like iowa miles and miles of rural territory. Go all the way. West to wear. Sioux city borders think about it nebraska and south dakota all those states are having a spike one. He it's one thing to say we have a vaccine and this enters your life's work. How do you get it in all of those arms safely. Yeah hi brian. So this is a major problem and it's actually the majority of states that are expressing. These extreme concerns that they won't have the resources and the distribution mechanisms. It's one thing to manufacture the vaccine by the way at least one of the two vaccines these extreme low temperatures and everything has to be transported in very very subzero conditions and then we have sixty five million. Americans who live in federally designated health professional shortage areas and on top of that. The governors are crying that there is not enough resources and manpower to get this distribution right. So we've been saying this from the beginning of this whole episode. Brian around about vaccines is that we may have some manufactured available vaccine to to give to health workers first responders by the end of the year. That's true but i don't really expect to see effective distribution till the third and probably the fourth quarter of twenty twenty one so we have to really Organiz our expectations to meet those kinds of challenges. That people are already expressing brian. Mr mayor Think think forward to what it's gonna be like when i don't know if it's going to be the iowa ready reserve and national guard arriving in sioux city setting up inoculation center setting up tents. Freezers required the paperwork. Can you see this happening in the next two months. Is your city ready to stand up that kind of organization overnight over excellent guard units our community. I know they'll rise to the occasion. We have Emergency management team. That's in place the rise to the occasion. I will tell you this will do whatever we can. We responded to floods in the past. We've responded to tornadoes will do. We have to do to get it done. And you worried about public opinion where it affects. The percentage of people willing to come forward and get this vaccine when the time gums ryan. I think some people don't see this as a national crisis. It certainly appears to be one to me. I cannot argue that it isn't and so i'm hopeful that the citizens will realized that the vaccines is the only way out of this for us right now and we'll get vaccinated alright. Both of these gentlemen have agreed to stay with us as we fit in a break Coming up when we resume our discussion as cases go up school shutdown. Why some argue. The closing schools should be a last resort in our country will talk to our guests about that topic when we come back. There is something seriously wrong. When nurses have take to the streets to bay protection in the middle of pandemic. We're understaffed. We have so much on our plate as nurses. There's not enough of us to help. There's a sense that no one is listening to us an icu bed in rural iowa. Does it mean much if what you need is a neurosurgeon for a head bleed. Across our country staffing and resources are dwindling state. Local officials are struggling to slow down. The outbreak as we mentioned schools in new york city and in kentucky will transition to all remote schooling but new york times columnist. Nick kristof argues. This should be a last resort as many businesses have stayed open or reopened. He puts it this way. Quote much of europe pursued the opposite route closing pubs and restaurants but doing everything possible to keep schools operating and the evidence suggests that europe has the smarter approach. Both of our guests remain with us. Mayor bob scott of sioux city iowa and dr irwin redlener in new york. Dr this one goes to you. Europe pediatrician by training How should we have thought from the beginning about schools and is the column in the new york times right. That may be the way. The europeans went out this and it was spotty in europe. The sweden example comes to mind. But maybe the way the europeans went at. This was the right way while a lot of countries one at things entirely differently than we did and we ended up having many multiples time time. The number of fatalities that some of those countries did but as far as children are concerned which has been my own. Life's work point brian. It is painful. It's heartbreaking to have so many children not being able to go to school and a lot of children being forced to do remote learning which they don't have the hardware they may not have internet access or people mentor them at home. And it's very odd to me that we have schools open schools closed and restaurants and bars open. There's something very wrong about that. And i believe nick kristoff that this is backwards and what you do everything. Possible keep schools open that said neither opening the schools or opening other businesses like restaurants when we still do not have the pandemic under control potentially dangerous. I i understand the dilemma. That mayors and governors are facing. But i really wish we could find a way to get those kids back to school as soon as possible as long as we do it safely. Brian mr mayor. How does school decision work in sioux city. I know the new york mayor set a threshold of a three percent infection. Rate system wide Insisted we don't have scored actually runs a school district. The local government city government. Does that much stay. But we go remote in sioux city based upon the number of kids than staff at that particular grade level so some of the schools are still meeting. Some of the grades are still meeting. Just it's a mixed bag right now. Talk to me about the economic hit. Sioux city has taken. Fortunately we've been pretty lucky in that area. I don't know how much longer it will continue. We continue to see the rise in the spikes that we've been seeing but so far we've been able to whether that's small businesses. Obviously hurting of the the restaurants and the bars are earning. There's no question about that. The attendance in those are way down but by and large. We haven't noticed a real large unemployment in greece. In fact revealed that coming down the last few weeks again. You know the last eight weeks here have been pretty rough. So we'll see as continues if it continues to go up like it has been. I think we're going to probably be in for a little bit of trouble. Mr i gotta ask you about the graphic behind you what is l. o. h. And what happens when someone sends a text to that number and sioux city. I don't know that. I think that's where that's coming out to tell you. The truth is not something i ask. So it's gotta be something in your background. Well okay. we'll figure out what it is. There's a giant hand giant phone right over your right shoulder dr Let's go out on some hope. Offer a note of hope to the people watching tonight worried that we are that december is going to be the new february in this country. That january is going to be the new march. We've been through this once and it's looking like a pretty dark winter season for a lot of folks brian. I'm getting three pieces of hope. And if i might and but let me start off by saying we should not in any way. Take this situation wrong here now. Because we we understand that the trajectory is going straight up basically and we're going to be in for a very tough next few months. That said we are on the verge of having a vaccine that works. Were on the verge of a testing. That's gonna done rapidly at home or in points of care. And the third thing is the big thing is joe biden. Come la- harris and their teams. We're going to see an entirely different approach to dealing with this enemy. This unseen highly dangerous lethal vaccine. We're going to see an entirely new approach to dealing with this and don't forget listen. There were four hundred seven thousand americans that died in world war two. We're going to exceed that number. There's no doubt in my mind next few months. We need leadership. We need consistent messages. We need to fast track tools that we need. And i think that's what we're going to see. What the biden harris team. They're not gonna they're not gonna give us false. Hope i think they're going to give us real hope. By developing strategy. They'll make sense to the majority of americans hope amid the sadness and madness soon. Gentlemen at dif- different fronts in this battle Thank you so much mayor of sioux city. Iowa bob scott and dr irwin redlener both of you for being with us tonight coming up. Our next guest says despite trump's election loss. This is the time to pay attention. Because he's still getting what he wants right now. There is no action. This man has taken that is worse than this final one in his defeat of the election because the american system has been sustained on faith and belief in democracy since the seventeen ninety s donald trump is really the first person who is deliberately and premeditatively. Try to poison at an. It's it's tragic thing. Watch it happen. Watch him play out. Republicans go along with it. Steve schmidt with nicole wallace this afternoon. And what i'm going to show you now is evidence that donald trump's campaign to declare this election rigged is setting in according to a new reuters. Ipsos poll over half of the republicans surveyed d- consider donald trump to be the rightful winner of this election which has already been called for the president. Elect joe biden. Let's talk about all of it. With bill kristol veteran of the reagan and bush administrations in another political party and editor at large of the bulwark. These days bill. I'm going to show you something John casick said on cnn tonight. We'll discuss it on the other side. You have a group of doctors who were saying to the administration. We need the information. We need the information to protect our frontline workers. We need the information to protect our patients. We need to frontline information. Make sure how to distribute the vaccine. And they're losing patients. What the hell are they doing. Down there stand up starts speaking out so bill. I mentioned earlier. The trembling supplicant. Alex as our who actually has authority over the nation's health from his chair in the cabinet room but he is crippled in fear of this president. When does this start to become actual malpractice. That abets mass death simply will isn't it. He's the secretary of health and human services. You could tell his own. People start cooperating with The biden team what with just outside physicians and making information available at when phone tomorrow and what would trump to fire him in there. So that's i guess it is just seems like vets discussion so many times. But it's one thing when he's the president and his election coming up and you could be president for a second term. He's lost of one knows. He's lost for the republican party in his own cabinet. Everyone else to just go along the way they have It's it is nothing very eloquent speakers. I don't it's it's kind of hard explained in particular really following you as i do every day on social media. This chapter of this drama seems to have really gotten to you because now they're playing with house money now they are Shifting the gears of tradition and peaceful transfer of power in a way that could leave a lasting mark. And how do you come to all the journalism that says. When trump departs january twentieth. This will still be the trump republican party. Do you agree with that. I tend to agree with partly because of what he's doing now is getting the political support as you said From senators and others Criticizing for his truly outrageous despicable behavior. But also look at the election returns. He wasn't really repudiated. He was clearly defeated by vice president biden. but with the republican party wasn't defeated. They get lost. One seat is that it looks like a gained about ten in the house they held state legislative chambers a heck of a lot of people who defended trump enable trump even echo trump been tried to outdo trump got elected so the lesson republicans are taken from. This is well we. We'll give trump. He'll go away. Maybe you'll fade away. They'll be happy enough about that. But they don't have to repudiate trump. Don't have to reconsider anything they've done for the last few years. I guess that's what makes me most angry but also just really depressed as someone who had some hopes of republican party. That won't could be a proud of or at least a respectful of that does not even going to be a real reconsideration. It just gonna be. Let's move on. We'll sort of help. Get beyond some of the billy bad stuff but Look the strategy of sort of accommodating trump and trumpism but maybe being little less crazy about. It looks like a winner. They think they're gonna win the house in twenty twenty two. I think they have a good chance to twenty twenty four. I'm not confident they'll see that even though it's a national emergency that they need to cooperate with incoming president biden cited Nice to senator harris when she showed up by the senate floor the other day but The east telling republican senators the chairman of relevant senate committee telling secretary as are you need to cooperate with incoming be biden team. Are they telling trump. With the chairman of the defense of the armed services committee telling trump. Hey you should not up the entire top leadership of the pentagon putting a bunch of unqualified in some cases. Kind of crazy people to run rather important agency the federal government. So again i. I am worried. I much. I've always been sort of pessimistic. Beth republican parties that actually years. I'm more pessimistic. Now bill kristol will keep having this conversation with you. We'll keep following on social media. Thank you for having us in an coming on tonight. Coming up our report on this rush to get tested before thanksgiving and the experts whose job it is to say not so fast. Hey everyone it's chris. As you know these days i find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader. Look at the issues. I haven't had time to cover my tv. Show all in. 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Five days after being exposed you may test negative days later at that family gathering you could be pre-symptomatic but contagious and not feel sick until days later still inside that fourteen day incubation period. There's also the possibility of being exposed between that negative test and arriving at your destination that test result is a snapshot in time. That's at one day you're negative. You could be positive the next day as far as different tests. The pcr is gold standard. It's more accurate but results take longer. Some rapid antigen tests can get you answers in fifteen minutes but they have a higher rate of false negatives. Testing by itself is not gonna be enough no matter what your test result is. We are about a week out from thanksgiving. Is it too late to quarantine any amount of time you can. Quarantine is better than none even with a negative test. You should still wear a mask. Keep your distance and open windows. 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Day 768: Cohen testimony kicks off in DC

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 768: Cohen testimony kicks off in DC

"Tonight. Michael Cohen opens three days of testimony with an apology for lying. The last time around while today took place behind this door tomorrow unfolds on live television and tonight, we have a preview of what the president's former lawyer and keeper of the secrets is prepared to say late today threat to Cohen arrive via Twitter it read like the mob, but it was sent by sitting member of congress Trump ally from Florida tonight, what we know about possible consequences all of this while our president and North Korea's dictator are in Hanoi where their second summit gets underway. In a matter of hours as the eleventh hour gets underway on Tuesday night. Good evening. We come to you tonight from NBC news Washington bureau. This was day seven sixty eight of the Trump administration. The president for his part is in Vietnam a country. Whereas it's been pointed out many times these recent days, he tried mightily to avoid visiting as a young man, it's just after eleven AM there and the visiting American president is beginning a series of meetings with the president and prime minister of Vietnam tomorrow from Hanoi to Washington, it's going to be something of a split screen between Donald Trump and a man he fears could do him great damage, not his summit partner, Kim Jong UN of North Korea rather, his former personal lawyer Michael Cohen who's testimony will be televised live this was day one of three days here in Washington for the now, former New York lawyer along the way Michael Cohen was disbarred today. And today he appeared as as civilian headed to. Prison at a nine hour closed door hearing of the Senate intelligence committee. He has admitted lying to them back in twenty seventeen. And indeed a source close to Cohen tells NBC news. He started off today by Pala is to the committee, he paused to speak briefly after the hearing was over. I really appreciate the opportunity that was given to me to clear the record and to tell the truth, and I look forward to tomorrow to being able to in my voice to tell the American people my story, and I'm going to let the American people decide exactly who's telling the truth. So I wanna thank you all for sticking around have a good night. That was it. Tomorrow Cohen will testify live as he puts it before the American people, but more like on cable news at a house oversight hearing that is widely expected to be dramatic from start to finish the established ground rules. Call for him not to discuss the Russia investigation tomorrow. But a knowledgeable source tells NBC news that he is quote ready to share anecdotes about Trump's lies racism and cheating as a private businessman ready to show evidence of criminal conduct by Trump since he has become president. He will explain lies to congress about the Trump Moscow deal reveal information about Trump's finances, potentially with the actual financial statements. He's prepared to give granular details of Trump's involvement and scheme to keep stormy Daniels, aka Stephanie Clifford, quiet tonight, NBC news confirmed a big story first reported by the Wall Street Journal, and that is a source is telling us tomorrow, Mike. Mccowan on we'll show the committee a sign check from the Trump organization Cohen, we'll say the check was part of the reimbursement. He received for his one hundred thirty thousand dollar hush money payment to stormy Daniels during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign. According to the source Trump signed some of the monthly checks from the Trump organization to Cohen. But this is important tonight. It's unclear whether the check Cohen will apparently bring tomorrow will have Trump's unmistakable signature on it. You may recall Cohen had postponed his testimony last month after what he said were threats from the president against his family like this one in which he singles out Cohen's father in law. Well late today. Let's just say the threat quotient was raised by one of the president's strongest supporters in the House, Republican member of congress who represents the Florida panhandle, Matt gaetz who said this. And we quote, hey, Michael, Cohen, dear wife and father in law know, about your girl. Friends. Maybe tonight would be a good time for a chat. I wonder if she'll remain faithful when you're in prison, she's about to learn a lot responding in a statement Cohen's lawyer said we will not respond to Mr. gates despicable lies and personal smears except to say we trust that his colleagues in the house, both Republicans and Democrats will repudiate his words and his conduct earlier this evening, congressman gates who is not on the committee conducting tomorrow's questioning defended his allegation on the house floor tomorrow. We will find out if there is anyone that Michael Cohen hasn't lied to. We already know lied to congress. We already know he lied to law enforcement lie to the IRS lied to three banks and he's going to prison for his lies. And so I guess it will be relevant for us to determine like does. He lied to his own family. I think it is entirely appropriate for any member of this body to challenge, the truthfulness and veracity and character for the people at the hissed. Of line and have a future that undoubtedly contains nothing but lies. Republican congressman Republican congressman, Mark meadows. He of the freedom caucus. He from North Carolina. He is on the committee that will hear from going tomorrow and issued this warning today and number of us on the oversight committee have been looking at documents that Michael Cohen had been has been involved with and I can tell you there's a number of questions still remain in terms of potential criminal offenses that Michael Cohen may have committed that I believe will come out tomorrow Cohen is scheduled to begin a three year prison sentence in may as we mentioned while the Russian investigation will be off limits officially at tomorrow's public hearing Democrats on the house intelligence committee say Russia will be front and center when Cohen talks to them in another closed hearing on Thursday. It's a lot to keep track of that. Let's bring in our leadoff panel on Tuesday night. Maya Wiley, former assistant US attorney for the southern district of New York now. With the new school in New York. Robert Costa, national political reporter for the Washington Post and moderator of Washington week on PBS. And Emily, Jane, FOX, senior reporter for Vanity Fair who has shall we say chronicled the plight of Michael Cohen, and is the author of born Trump inside America's first family. Good evening and welcome to you all Mr. Kosta in our television age, we tend to trace scandals and investigations by their associated televised hearings. Whether it's Watergate, whether it's only north and fawn hall or whether it's Clarence Thomas. This has not heretofore been a hearing driven televised moment is that all about to change tomorrow in this investigation. You're right, Brian. There has not been in Alexander Butterfield Watergate tight moment in this President Trump era. But tomorrow, you have Capitol Hill now controlled by Democrats in the house using their powers. Is to ask tough questions of the president's longtime lawyer, and this is a longtime lawyer who wants to provide new information how relevant that new information is to the Trump presidency remains to be determined and Republicans like congressman gates and others or at the barricades tonight, politically I just got off the phone five minutes ago with mayor Giuliani. He said he doesn't have a war room set up, but they're prepared to fight. Mr. Cohen on almost every issue. He brings up they're not going to update the president every hour. He says is just going to be Giuliani and the other lawyer j Secolo talking by phone trying to see what happens, but even Giuliani tonight. They're not exactly sure what's going to happen tomorrow. It is something that's variable for our entire political scene is the practical reason for not having to update the president every hour the assumption that he'll be watching every hour on the other side of the world where a ten AM hearings. Start time is ten pm after the workday and Hanoi Giuliani says the president's focused on his Vietnam summit, but a lot of the. Confidant's say he will be following minute by minute. Maybe not every second of the actual hearing because of the time change, but you have a president who had this man, Mr. Cohen at his side for over a decade someone who's worked with him on intimate issues personal issues and the question for Republicans tomorrow. Well, anything rise to the threshold of bean at threat politically to them so far they've suffered through a lot of indignities that President Trump has brought upon them and their own party. But they want to see is this going to be a threat for them in twenty twenty Emily, Jane, FOX, what can you say? If anything about the attitude mindset bearing of the witness going into tomorrow, this is a day that Michael Cohen has been preparing for looking forward to and readying for the last several weeks. He has spent every single day with his lawyers in intense preparation as it was described to me over the weekend. He has written statement rewritten. A statement cracked the statement. He has been waiting for his time to be able to share his story. Now, we're now going on almost a year since the FBI executed search warrants on his homes and office. He really has very few times spoken publicly since then, and this is a guy as we all know who likes to be able to tell his side of the story. So this is a moment that is consequential for him. It is consequential for the fate of the presidency, and it is going to be consequential for the American people who are tuning into what is it very hyped, and I think deservedly hyped hearing tomorrow reported a minor detail in this story. But I think it's so telling the raid was not on his home because his home a Trump building in New York was destroyed by a burst pipe. He was living temporarily in a hotel room in New York, but it speaks to the state of his life a year ago and his loyalty to all things Trump organization he stella's in Trump apart. And he's now moved back to new. It's actually the building where Jared and Ivanka live when they are in New York. So it is a very twisted world in Trump world and the connection to the family is just highlighted by cleary in which they live or Maya Wiley counselor. How much damage can Mr. Colin do tomorrow? Look, I'm gonna say it. There has been so much damage done already by Michael Cohen to Donald Trump. And you know, one of the things that I agree both with Bob. And with Emily, Jane, you know, we don't know all the things he could say because the reality is we whether he goes back to years five years or ten years, if he shares a pattern of practice that the Trump organization engages in that demonstrates that it behaves as Michael Cohen friend. Donny Deutsch said on our Melber show when I was on which is a criminal enterprise. I'm not a quote, I didn't set is that the Trump organization operates is a criminal enterprise. If that is true there any number of transactions events things that the Trump organization did under the direction of their CEO, Donald Trump that could. Implicate it in a crime. Now, I think the point that, you know, people have raised is can you believe Michael Cohen the issue here is. Yeah. Michael, Colin, if he says some things that implicates crimes could implicate himself. But he's also testifying under oath. He has already pled guilty to the crime of perjury to congress that means he is in jeopardy if he doesn't tell the truth. So we may learn things that we didn't know before we may learn more details on things we already knew where he is already implicated Donald Trump and a crime specifically the way in which he according to Michael Cohen directed payments to silence, women stormy Daniels. Karen McDougal and the catch and kill story that may in and of themselves be campaign violations. Robert, we might as well throw decorum of state funeral because it is dead and gone at least in this city where it once existed. I'm talking about the Matt gaetz tweet tonight score says, Ian in its language, and the response was swift to friends of our broadcast. I Bill Kristol. This is loathsome. It deserves the set. Of his colleagues, and perhaps of the house itself as a tempted intimidation of a witness testifying before a house committee more important, though, what does this say about the degree of panic among Trump allies about Cohen's testimony and Frank Figliuzzi fresh from career chasing organized crime figures among others in an organized crime family. The mobsters aren't loyal to the capo out of love and affection. They do his bidding out of fear. What is gates afraid of? I laid before you a question right now. What is house minority leader? Kevin McCarthy do with congressman gates is he going to allow one of his members to be out there on a limb? Saying this kind of thing about a witness appearing before a house committee. Also, a challenge for Democrats tomorrow. Can they draw blood politically with Mr. Cohen, and they keep it focused at this hearing can they actually walked through different issues to try to draw Cohen out because remember they have to make sure they're concentrating on Cohen's conduct. But also, President Trump. Conduct the not going to be able to veer into Russia issues. As reporter we all wish we could ask Mr. Cohen more about Trump Tower Moscow about different interactions with Russian figures. But because of the Muller investigation a lot of those questions have been walled off. So the Democrats have to pick their spots. Can they actually elicit new information that's both credible in politically earth-shattering to try to move the ball politically on President Trump in the investigation, and my euro lawyer here if you were starting a case in federal court tomorrow, and you had someone issue a tweet like this would you move for witness tampering? If I was a prosecutor. Yeah, I had it before me. Absolutely here the reality here that so we have to separate whether or not you have grounds to investigate whether or not there was a crime, you always have to establish in this context of witness tampering under the federal statute intent, right? So as we heard. Mike gate say publicly look his credibility is an issue. That is true. And I'm just saying that they're issues that you know, we could use to investigate his credibility. That tells you what a defense would say. But certainly that tweet when I read it was really as as Bill Kristol has said it is completely unacceptable for a sitting member of congress to issue a tweet like that in this context, but practically a practical matter the way, this would work the department of Justice would not self initiate an investigation here. Congress would have to refer it for investigation. I don't know that that will happen in this case, I think the good news here is that Michael Cohen is agreeing to cooperate. And that we it's not the first time that he has suggested that he is felt intimidated about his testimony. I think that demonstrates that he is very interest. Fid as Emily Jane said he wants his story out there. And it's not gonna stop him that someone tried to intimidate him. Emily, Jane, FOX long before there was a Trump administration. The one intersection between politics on the mob. Was you don't touch families you leave families out of it? In coming to know, the people we cover for a living, you sometimes come to know their families. What Matt gates said was not an vacuum. Michael Cohen is father of two longtime married man with an extended married into family. This has to have huge ramifications within that family. Sure. This testimony was already delayed because of the tweets that President Trump sent out that Cohen felt were threatening the safety of his family wasn't that he was fearful for himself. He was fearful for what it meant for his family. His family will not be there tomorrow. He's not bringing his family who wanted to come and be there behind him because he was scared of what might happen. What might be said about him? And he didn't want that pressure added on top of the other pressure that he is facing tomorrow. That this happened is almost like his worst nightmare came true. I don't think any father would be happy that a sitting congress person would say such a salacious thing about their family. It is such a uniquely Trumpian thing that happened today where a member of congress would attack a witness like this, and it would almost be. Tomorrow's news. All ready. I it's yesterday's news. A very it's just exactly what Cohen was worried about an almost speaks to the reason why he deleted, and there's every reason to believe what we watching clips from tomorrow fifty years from now it'll be interesting to be back at this hour in this time slot tomorrow night and see what it is. We are covering and talking about Maya Wiley back in New York, Robert constant, Emily, Jane, FOX here in Washington are thanks for starting off our broadcast tonight and always coming up. We're keeping an eye on what is transpiring right now in Vietnam with just hours to go before these two world leaders meet for their second time in the second summit. We have a live report Thrum Hanoi and later how congress set a message to the president today while he was eight thousand miles from home halfway around the world and preview of the most watched event on the congressional docket tomorrow. Michael Cohen, though is. The only drama on Capitol Hill the eleventh hour in Washington just getting started on a Tuesday night. At this hour. President Trump is meeting with the president of Vietnam in Hanoi in just a few hours. He'll have his first face to face meeting with Kim Jong UN of this summit. The two leaders scheduled to hold their second summit to discuss nuclear weapons tomorrow. Donald Trump is apparently alone among members of his own government in believing North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat. Most experts can't really imagine the secretive duplicitous dark state ever really doing that. Sources. Tell NBC news the US could offer incentives to North Korea like negotiating a formal end to the Korean war easing minor sanctions and opening up a bare bones diplomatic outpost, two of our own journalists. Carol Lee who joins us later in the hour and Courtney Kuby who covers the Pentagon for us report. This quote, some senior Trump administration officials and others involved in the negotiation. Ones are worried that establishing diplomatic outposts and agreeing to an end of war declaration in addition to a second presidential meeting for Kim would amount today facto US recognition of North Korea as a nuclear state well with us here in Washington to talk about it. Jeremy bash former chief of staff at the CIA and the Pentagon and Andrea Mitchell NBC news chief foreign affairs correspondent. And of course, the host of Andrea Mitchell reports weekdays here on MSNBC. Good evening. Welcome to you. Both. Andrea let's start with the atmosphere IX, the video before this even started you have Kim Jong UN stopping for a cigarette break and his sister as one does following him around with a crystal ashtray would do that fiercest. I would. But I mean who are you going to trust in that country? But your sister to be the carrier of the ashtray and then getting off the train after a sixty eight our first of all if you wanna spend sixty eight hours on a train. Take Amtrak from Seattle to go, but I kid sixty eight hours on a train in part because of the threat of assassination and in part because of the shortage of dependable aviation equipment in that country that gives you the setting for these two guys to sit down. It's a perfect metaphor the need the economic need. The sanctions have hurt, but there's also cheating from China and Russia playing both sides against the middle. And there is sort of a metaphor there, and it may be more than symbolic of him going through China through Chinese territory paying respect to China on the way to this critical showdown with the leverage that China uniquely holes over whether any deal will ever be consummated or obeyed and yet at the same time, the the culture personality cultivated, of course, by Kim Jong on and his entire diner. Going back three generations. It's a state and a cult really. And what do we have here? We have a president of the United States who believes he is uniquely capable through his own personality of somehow breaking through as no other president has with that shiny Nobel prize as the allure over just to talk about Jeremy bash. Do you fear the degree to wish which Trump feels the need to emerge with a deal of some sort? I do I think the result in Hanoi is actually already known which is that our president has accepted North Korea as a nuclear weapons power. And by that I mean in two thousand seventeen under the umbrella of Trump's tweets to me, oh, my button is bigger than your button in Iraq. It man the north actually flight tested an ICBM twice. They detonated a nuclear device. They overflew Japan twice. They showed the world and themselves that they have the technological capability to threaten the western part of the United States. And with that as there are. Snl they proceeded to play rope with our president and now with those nuclear weapons and tactic and they've actually destroyed zero nuclear weapons since the June. Singapore summit they destroyed no nuclear material, they've destroyed not a single ICBM. They stand on the world stage with an American president. And they are ready to get an amazing number of concessions from the United States. Let's put the president's tweet on the screen were quoting it at the bottom of the screen. He called Kim Jong UN his friend tonight. Andrea just that will put cold water in the veins of all the foreign policy professionals that you know, in the city and just think of the the one issue that's never discussed in the Trump administration, which is human rights human rights, gulags the prisoners. We're no longer hearing about Ottawa m- beer, the one individual for the millions who have been slaughtered and to say that. And as Jeremy says, he is accepting the status quo of a nuclear powered state. We have not seen an inventory. We have not seen even a definition of denuclearization. Which was the going in argument that there was no not going to be a phased out, ordinary arms, control negotiation. You do this. We'll do this. And eventually we get here with inspections with their advocation. But initially it was going to be we're getting everything up front which they claim to get and to the shock of then defense chief Mattis, he even agrees or suggests to give up the joint military exercises, which are critical for readiness and have still not taken place in Singapore. And Jeremy what part of North Korea. Do you think is going to agree once and for all to give up on their cherish nukes? Say nothing of the artillery that is the day to day threat to Seoul, South Korea. All those tubes packed on all those mountainsides. Hundreds of them ready. Aim and fire away from hitting South Korea, actually, probably tens of thousands of those are Tillery tubes. Probably forty thousand that are within range of Seoul. As you referenced. And now only range of Seoul. But a range of US troops that are there at your soul and throughout the peninsula. Not only guarding the security of our ally, South Korea, but actually promoting US interests in the region. So I think we're a long way from peace. Although, of course, that's to what Kim Jong UN seeks he seeks acceptance. He he seeks the world stage with an American president. He seeks to relief of sanctions, so he can feed his own people. And I'm sorry to report that he's gonna get many of those things without making a single solitary concession, and I fear Brian. I think this is kind of the elephant in the room that in light of what's happening washing tomorrow with the Coen hearing tackling the presence can be more eager to please more eager for a headline. More eager to get a big show and a headline at a summit he's going to cave harder and faster than he really should a chilling thought. But we'll pause the conversation there, take a break German. Andrea Bo staying with us and coming up, you don't see this every day. What was Russia's foreign minister, the one who visited our president and the? Oval Office doing in Vietnam this week more on that after this. The president said he did not believe that the North Koreans had the capability to hit us here with ballistic, missiles and states, and he did not believe that. Because President Putin had told him they did not intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence. Our government possesses to which the president replied, I don't care. I believe Putin. Maybe the most bracing moment from that recent interview with sixty minutes, former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe revealing the moment President Trump in his book as depicted in his book revealed his trust in Russian Intel over his own team. Which makes this headline all the more interesting quote US asks for advice on North Korea. Talks the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov who again was envy. Aetna. M- the same week. Trump and Kim are in Vietnam told Russian news agencies the US wanted and sought insight on dealing with North Korea. Among the reported recommendations offer security guarantees to Kim Jong UN in order to move forward with nuclear disarmament helpful still with us Jeremy bash and Andrea Mitchell, Jeremy I don't know which to start with the advice from the Russians as to how to proceed with the North Koreans or the threat of believing. Putin over your own home team and more than that saying it out loud. I know. And I think it's important for us to be clear eyed as we think about what's going to unfold in Hanoi over the next forty eight hours, the Russian federation has an interest in diminishing US influence in Asia. They have a strong interest in removing US troops from the peninsula because they see it as a strategic counterweight to Russia's effort on their eastern seacoast. And in addition, they have a strong interest in diminishing US missile defense systems, which are they're not only to defend against North Korea. But also to actually play a deterrent role against the Russian federation. These are live pictures on the left hand side of the screen and while completely unimportant. Trump watchers may notice that something he never does the president has buttoned his suit coat. He normally pointedly leaves it open. But here he is about to sign. What is a jet engine and aviation deal? This is with the host. Country of Vietnam are former adversaries presence there with Vietnam. Trade representative. Of prime minister and president. There's the handshake among the seconds. Andrea what does Putin get out of any or all of this? He gets first of all reduction of the US military presence. He hopes especially that anti-missile defense and the chew presence. Ultimately, that's one of the things that he had recommended before the first summit to we didn't need that American troop presence, especially not if a peace treaty assign and that would be the next demand. And we see also in that signing this inducement. This is the the carrot. If you will to say, you see you can get these kinds of deals Kim Jong on for your country. If you just do what Vietnam did, of course. Vietnam didn't have nuclear weapons. I was there when we sign the normalization and diplomatic relations agreement with the at Phnom. We did get many of our remains back. It was negotiated by Warren Christopher was in the mid nineties nine thousand nine hundred ninety five and I was. Throughout the country before that, and it's a very different place. They no longer had these prison camps. It's a socialist communist country and to tell a -tarian regime and still had a very rigid political public bureau, but nothing nothing at all like North Korea is a idealistic political fancy. Do you think anyone proffered the notion of the president going over to the Hanoi Hilton? Where John McCain and all of our suffering POW's were held, I cannot imagine. And it would actually it would perhaps demean and diminish that place as horrific is that places I've been there and John McCain, of course, gone back when back with John Kerry and others who were on the opposite side of the Vietnam debate back then, but it's not a place for Donald Trump. I would argue, and I think the McCain family even would argue just keep keep thinking about it's it's looming presence over that country and that city and the meaning it has to all those Americans. 'specially who had fathers sons over there? Jeremy bash. Andrea Mitchell, thank you so much for joining us for this conversation tonight here in Washington coming up tomorrow, we'll be the tale of two major breaking news stories a viewer's guide to what could be a split screen television viewing moment as we set between Hanoi and Washington DC. That's when we continue. President Trump in Vietnam right now he has been meeting with the country's president. There ahead of tomorrow's meeting with Kim Jong UN of North Korea. The summit events started with some confusion at the hotel where the North Korean dictator is staying it happened to be the same hotel where the White House had designated for all the journalists traveling with the president what we like to call a press filing center. Upon Kim's arrival, the White House press corps was evicted from its workspace. As our NBC news team reports the forest move was highly unusual because the White House had approved of and supported the use of the space by media who cover the president, the Washington Post summed up the situation this way. And we quote what happens when the authoritarian ruler of North Korea checks into a hotel teaming with American journalist filing round the clock reports. The free press loses. With us from Vietnam our own Carol Lee, NBC news, national political reporter who happened to be in the hotel lobby when the North Korean contingent arrived here with us in DC two of our returning veterans. Peter banker chief White House correspondent for the New York Times and AB Stoddard columnist and associated or at real clear politics, Carol, I'm not sure whether body clockwise it feels like you should be going down for the night or having lunch. But we won't keep you long. Just having one scene Qaddafi in a hotel lobby in Tehran. You now have the better story. What was it like to be there? What did you do that? Well, Bryan, it was so interesting because none of this was a surprise to anyone except for perhaps Kim Jong UN because the US government the Vietnamese government and the North Korean government all knew that we were staying there. There was the setup for more than two hundred journalists members of White House press corps there, and I happened to be staying in the hotel and the morning that I ride on Monday. They gave us a notice saying they were going to include security measures because head of state was staying there. So we were notified and then we're having breakfast Tuesday morning. And we're told they have to move the press center and so- packing up came came down into the lobby and they had rolled out a red carpet for Kim Jong UN in the lobby and told us we weren't allowed to step on it. So we had to walk around that. And then we were shoved into the restaurant in the hotel lobby, and we're told to wait there, and that we couldn't take any pictures of him and could barely see. And so we managed to catch. I saw him through a very like almost a hole in. In this lattice wood lattice wall that we were looking through. And what was funny about it? Or just curious was that, you know, usually when a president or a head of state arrives at a hotel is done very quietly, the motorcade arrives, they go through a back entrance. And they're not seeing and this was almost like a hotel arrival ceremony for Kim Jong UN he had cleared out the lobby except for his Kirti detail. He wrote it there were book as the flowers out. There was the red carpet. And so he walked in. And immediately went into the elevator and went up to wherever he is saying, and then we were held there for a little while before we were able to go back up into our rooms. And now, you know, the lobby is completely cleared, and there are very few people milling around and Kim Jong UN is coming and going as he pleases outside the front door, which is very unusual. Wow. Carol-lee in Hanoi were it's already been sporty. And they haven't sat down for the first session of the summit. Thank you very much for either getting up or staying good luck with the time. Diff. Twelve hours over there in Hanoi. Peter Baker first of all just as people who have covered presidents you get in from the motorcade and often though not maybe customarily, you're at the president's hotel. And sometimes they come and sweep your room, which is a direct indicator the president's either one floor above you or one floor directly below. Yes. Right. Exactly. They don't usually put you in the same hotel the foreign leader. That's true. Typically one who is prickly insensitive as dictator of North Korea. And that's a pretty unusual thing. And it's Carol said they clearly knew it. And yet thought it wouldn't be a problem only to learn otherwise, as you know, the president has something better than TV show. They are called waka the White House communications agency and before the age of TV show. They were the folks who actually it marched into the modern era taping television for our presidents. They can do virtually anything. They have the world wired. He has complete capacity to watch this live to watch it without commercials. Tomorrow ten pm end of his work day tomorrow night, our ten AM. There's our friends at at Walker as they're known abbreviated -ly. What could happen here? Other than a sleepless night for as they say the head of the free world. Well, we know he stays up late under normal circumstances. Whether he'll fill jetlagged or exhausted after a day of high diplomacy of another matter, but you know, one of the things we've seen actually in some of these foreign trips. Munition lessening of his Twitter. Messages that we are so used to at home. I mean, you could picture him in bed and hotel room and annoy watching this on TV and giving us instant reaction. But I suspect that that might not actually happen because I think when when he's overseas he's shown some restraint on that. We might hear about it the next day at some length. But I think in the immediate moment, he'll probably keep it to himself live pictures of presidents exchanging each other's flags. Prime minister Vietnam, the president of the United States at a plan looks very spontaneous. The where they're waving the flags welcoming ceremony celebration. Peter what if the first visual tomorrow is his former personal lawyer holding up a check God forbid with the instantly recognizable sharpie kind of EKG signature of Donald Trump. Yeah. At this question. Of course, he's going to be questioned mainly on the question of this. Hush money for women who said they had sexual encounters with President Trump. He's denied that. And the question is whether or not he directed Michael calling. We believe is going to tell congress that he did the president or the future. President is states directed him to take this action for which he is now pleaded guilty. It is considered to be a campaign finance violation. And he makes the president ought to be basically a co-conspirator. Now, we know what they're probably going to say Republicans say he's a convicted liar, which is true. He's been convicted of lying to congress. And so Michael Cohen credibility will be on the line. So President Trump's AB. I want to ask you about something a subject, you have strong feelings about and that's the relevance and attention North Korea craves on the world stage. I think in all our conversations we forget, how rare unusual it is that an American president has a greed to sit down with chairman Kim. This is what they've always wanted. Talk about that dynamic and in that regard. They Kim Jong UN has prevailed. He got a head of state to head of state meeting with the US president last summer afterwards. They got rid of some anti-american propaganda in the streets. But then soon we're so belligerent that secretary of state Mike Pompeo had to cancel his visit their our own Pentagon has assessed that they remain an extraordinary threat deny coats has come out and said so at risk of now maybe being fired for saying. So in the director General Hospital has said the same thing, which is they don't intend to to nuclear is. So they can send back some remains. But the president has given Kim Jong a nother elevating legitimising event bringing him out of the hermit kingdom. He is no longer a pariah. He visits with the Chinese the Russians and the Chinese immediately after the summit last year, ease trade restrictions. This is also with the help of moon Jae. In the South Korean president. But certainly Trump is accountable. His son to said tonight on FOX my father got a meeting with these people as if that was the goal all along. Unless something very surprising happens. I really fear that President Trump is going to walk away with nothing concrete from the summit and promise a third summit. And I think that chairman Kim cannot believe how much he is winning another chilling thought with which to take a break, but happily our guests are staying with us and coming up the story that would be receiving front page attention on any other day. But tomorrow. Here in Washington. This is about to get interesting. As to how this affects the traveling president the house voted today the blocked the president's national emergency. We'll try to simplify this with Democrats in charge of the house. The vote was never in doubt just the margin. And in the end thirteen Republicans crossed over to join them. It gets very interesting in the Senate where the nature of the resolution compels Mitch McConnell to schedule a vote on this three of his Republicans have indicated with conditions. They'll cross over one more and it passes that would force the president's first veto. It would take a whole lot more Republicans. And as we see it a contagious outbreak of profiles in courage to override the president's veto, Peter Baker and AB Stoddard remain here with us in DC AB. What's on the minds of Senate Republicans these days, and do you have any nominees for profiles in courage? Well. Those out up in twenty twenty right? So Thom Tillis came out from North Carolina last night. He said he's going to have to go with the Democrats to to to block the declaration. This is a very very tough time for Republicans. This is perhaps one of the worst jams the president has put them, and I talked to a member on the house side of defacto this morning who said there's no way that we could live. He could live with the precedent-setting vote like this. When a democrat comes in and uses eminent domain to take away land locked down land that has called mines on it. Or whatever this is an indefensible vote for any Republican who believes who's a constitutional protector and believes in limited government, and this is an abuse of the balance of power, I spoke to a conservative who is ready to back. The president who said essentially the hundred seventy six law is so broad and statute is so badly designed that they can hide are shielded Barnes room. It is likely to be upheld by the supreme court. So the congress in nineteen seventy. Six has allowed this disaster. But on the Senate side, I'm very interested. Mitch McConnell looks like he met his snooker the president. This is going to be fascinating. He said to get the president to open the government February fifteenth is support this emergency after he had privately, and we'd no was reported at the White House urged him not to do this. If he's going to get a whole bunch of guys to jump on this not just the fourth vote. But maybe it gets up to fifty six to send a strong rebuke. You see people like Mitt Romney and people who are retiring, Pat Roberts. Maybe start coming out that will be it's not a veto proof majority. But that will be strong sign that Mitch McConnell has had it and feeder breaker the question, we asked rhetorically before the break your the photo editor for the New York Times website tomorrow. Do you take the photo of the resolution being agreed to or say Michael Cohen holding up a canceled check? So there's a payment to former born store. Why can't you do both? It's a big place that went big website. Look are both important stories, and this is important to our because it does push. The divide that we've seen between President Trump and his party onto the front stage, and is beneficial software one going back on a number of issues, whether it be free trade, whether it'd be tough on Russia, whether it'd be limited government or executive power now they're forced to choose. And I think you're right. I think that if you get that one more vote than you're gonna get five or six we'll be kind of a jailbreak and a number of them will feel totally safe to go ahead and do it. But you're not going to get the view proof majority. It will be a rebuke. But it will not be the end of the end of the story to of the best friends. This broadcast has because tonight we're visiting on their turf Peter Baker AB starter. Thank you both for coming by. We appreciate it. One more quick break. More eleventh hour when we come back. Quick last thing before we go tonight. It's difficult to overestimate the importance of the news day ahead and for this network and for our loyal viewers. It will be a long day's journey tonight. Michael Cohen, get sworn in ten AM eastern time are all day. Live coverage goes on all day, then tomorrow evening with time off for good, behavior and nourishment. We will join you at our usual time. 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Day 1,329: Trump knew how deadly COVID-19 was & never told the nation

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,329: Trump knew how deadly COVID-19 was & never told the nation

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Well good evening once again day thirteen, hundred, twenty, nine of the trump administration fifty five days to go until the presidential election and this was the day we learned the president knew he knew how dangerous and how deadly the corona virus was and he told the public something else while people died while our country forfeited the critical month of February the President misled the American people he cut the public, the institution of Public Health and we know this because we can hear him say it. It didn't stop his press secretary from denying it today, but we can hear the president on tape saying the words. It's all from an explosive new book by Bob Woodward called rage and the tape recordings are from eighteen conversations. Woodward had with trump. Fort Rucker, and Robert Costa of the Washington Post both standing by to join us in a moment have reviewed a copy of the book. It says that on January Twenty Eighth National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien issued a serious warning to the president about the virus saying quote, this will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency. This is going to be the toughest thing you face that was January twenty, eight ten days later after talking to Chinese President Xi Jinping trump called Bob Woodward and said this about the virus. It goes through Airbud. That's always tougher than the touch touch. You don't have to touch things right but the air you just breathe the air that's how it's. passed. and. So that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one It's also more deadly than your. You Know Your even your strenuous lose you know people don't realize we lose twenty, five, thousand, thirty, thousand people a year who would ever think that right I know. It's pretty nice. And then I. Build the same thing for more deadly. This is five per you know this is five percent versus one percent and less than one percent you know. So this is deadly stuff. And then over a month on March nineteenth, remember this is after we lost the month of February two inaction and just as the coronavirus started spreading rapidly in our country, the president had another conversation with Bob Woodward. Now. It's starting out. It's not just old people bob just today and then yesterday. Some startling facts came out it's not just old old. Yeah. Exactly. To plenty of young people. So he's GONNA BE A. Moment of talking to somebody going through this with foul she or somebody who kind of it caused a pivot in your mind because it's clear just from what's in on the public record that you went through a pivot on this too low my God the gravity is almost. Inexplicable. Unexplainable. Bob Really, to be honest with you I want you tie wanted to I wanted to always play down I still like playing it down. Yes. Because I don't want to create a panic. Even though he knows he is talking on the record to way celebrated reporter for a book hearing the private trump talk. That way is all the more bracing one you remember the death toll of over one, hundred, ninety, thousand gone, and when you look back on how hard this president tried to publicly diminish the threat of this virus. The virus they're working hard looks like by April you know in theory when it gets a little warmer. Miraculously goes away. Hope that's true. So we're in very good shape. Very well, under control in our country, the people are getting better getting better because of all, we've done the risk. To the American people remains very low when you have fifteen people and the fifteen within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero with finding very little problem very little problem. Now, you treat this like a flu I mean view this same as the flu it's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle it will disappear a lot of people are getting better much better. We are working on cures and we're getting some very good results. The Democrats are politicizing. The Corona virus this is that new hoax if you're healthy, you will probably. Go through a process and and you'll be fine term of go to work but they get better. It'll go away. We're doing very well and we done. It will go away to stay. Calm. So. After we heard the president, say it on tape during today's White House press briefing Press Secretary Kelly mcenaney was asked about the president downplaying the virus. The president downplayed the virus. Once again, the president expressed calm. The president was serious about this. When Democrats were pursuing their sham impeachment, he was expressing calm and he was taking early action and his actions are reflective of how seriously you do. Not long after the briefing, the president himself was asked by a reporter if initially downplayed the virus. Saying. Now played. Back To Well, I think if you said in order to reduce panic perhaps that sell the fact is a cheerleader for this country I, love our country and I don't want people to be frightened I don't want to create panic as you say. The president went on to call Bob Woodward's book a political hit job today over thirty two, thousand new cases of the virus were reported in our country. Overall, there have been over six point, three million infections that were aware of the death toll has now passed north of one hundred, ninety, one, thousand, we lost another eleven hundred souls just today during a campaign stop in Michigan Today Joe Biden attack trump over the new revelations from the book. He knew how deadly it was. It was much more deadly than the flu he knew and purposely played it down worse. He lied to the American people he knowingly and willingly lied about the threat posed of the country for months. He had the information he knew how dangerous it was. All this deadly disease ripped through our nation, he failed to do his job on purpose. Was a life and death betrayal the American people. This new book from Woodward covers a number of other topics from race relations in our country to the president's ardent and warm feelings about Kim Jong, UN of North Korea to the US military at one point the president who would not share with us what he knew about the virus shares with Bob Woodward, the word of a secret new weapon system. have, built a nuclear weapon. I built a weapon system weapon system that nobody's ever had in this country before we have stuff that you haven't even seen or heard of that we have stuff that who she had never heard about before. There's nobody what we have his incredible. Washington Post puts it this way quote Woodward writes that anonymous people later confirmed that the US military had a secret new weapon system, but they would not provide details and that the sources were surprised trump had disclosed it. This has politico's reporting tonight the White House aide spent months fretting over the president opening up to Bob Woodward Nancy cooking. Alex Thomson. report. Together that the. President's meetings and phone calls with Woodward quote trump bulldozed through the mall believing he could charm the man who helped take down a president and chronicled half a dozen administrations over the past half century. It's a lot. We're happy to have our leadoff guests here with us to discuss every bit of it. Two of the best from the Washington Post Phil Rucker, Pulitzer Prize winning, White. House Bureau chief for the Post also co author along with his stable colleague, Carol of the bestseller, very stateful genius Robert Costa National. Political. Reporter. For the Post. He's also moderator of Washington Week on PBS and outnumbered, but to keep it fair Mara Gaye is here representing the New York Times the paper up the road she's a member of the Times editorial board former New York. City Hall Bureau Chief for The Wall Street Journal also happens to be a covert one, thousand, nine, hundred survivor, good evening, and welcome to you. All Phil I'm going to lead off with you bye-bye playing for you and our audience what trump said the Sean Hannity tonight about Bob Woodward. As you listen to this, please remember they had eighteen conversations during the reporting for this book. And he does it you. Even. Did it on Obama but the constant had jobs on Bush. Three books were all terrible. So I figured you know let's just give it a little shot I'll speak to him to wasn't a big deal speak to, and let's say I don't know the book is good or bad. I have no idea probably almost definitely will read it because I don't have time to read it but I gave it a little bit of a shot sounds like it's not going to be good. So fill in normal times in a normal White House during press interviews. There's either an aide present taking notes listening on a dead key or making a recording for the White House side. A lot of these phone calls with Bob were late at night from the residence. So now the White House staff and tell me if your reporting bears this out has that strange feeling. This book is still a week away of not quite knowing the quotes that are coming. That's exactly right Brian. It's extraordinary. The process behind Woodward's interviews the president. The first interview he had was in the Oval Office in a more typical fashion with the press secretary in the room with other aides listening with the White House, recording the conversation so that the administration would have a written record of what was discussed what the president said but the relationship developed from bear and it led to a series of of late night phone calls from the president to Woodward where he would just call to rattle on and and weigh in on the news of the day to answer Woodward's questions often you at anybody listening on the other end with the press aides. Totally Unaware, and so what you have right now is the white. House scrambling to come up with a way to respond to this less than two months away from presidential election. Of course, at needs are closest allegation been revelations about the president's on. And commentary about the corona virus that could impact this election in the White House does not have the information to respond quickly and to put together a response in just a correct with the president said on Sean Hannity's show there he didn't just give this a shot. He did eighteen interviews with Bob Woodward and reading the Book and Stop Pasta and I have time, and again, the president is almost pleading with Woodward to write a positive book. It says if the president. saw this as a bit of a game canny spend enough time talking to Woodward that he can convince Woodward to write a flattering portrait of this presidency he would bring up You know you did a bad book, George W Bush. But I'm going to get a good book out of you and and it was something that trump came to time and again. So this was very much concerned pursue that had over six or seven months to try to win Woodward over. So Mr Kosta another quote from the book trump went there again on the military source subject in the past five to seven business days. Here's this quote is is the president speaking not to mention my effing generals who are a bunch of and he uses a word from the world of felines they came more about their they care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals trump told White House trade adviser Peter. Navarro at one point according to Woodward Robert Don't tell me let me gas a deafening silence among Republicans. We heard a deafening silence among Republicans today on Capitol Hill Including Senate, Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell who told reporters that he is not yet read the book up this book is not going away first and foremost because it includes audio tapes and you see the Biden campaign tonight is already cutting an ad putting the audiotapes from the Woodward interviews into this political season, and so it's a book that has reporting at its core, but it also has political. import. In the sense of the moment it arrives and just to build quickly and fills point you really see throughout this book President Trump try to navigate his own public relations much like he did in the nineteen seventies and eighties and nineties from trump tower often going be around his own age in the trump organization believing he can win over Bob Woodward and I was with him in two thousand sixteen when we sat down with Woodward. For an extended interview and you see in Woodward and trump in the book and in up close when you observe them together to men of about the same age in their seventies, the same generation and he feels like woodwork can he can build a rapport with Woodward on that level, but there's this disconnect in many Woodward interviews in the book where the president just doesn't really want to engage on the questions what is asking on race in particular and other matters So Mara these guys have to work at the post. Woodward still comes in presumably for as mail you are not so encumbered. So this question is going to go to you also as a Cova survivor Woodward came under broad attack on social media today for sitting. On this information for ten months. Do you agree with that line of attack and would it have been helpful to you to know contemporaneous -ly the degree to which the president. Knew. And yet diminished the dangers from corona virus. Yeah I mean. I WanNa I. WanNa. Be Clear that I think that the burden of responsibility and blame here falls largely with the trump administration on top trump White House. He's the president united, states. I think we'd ask ourselves as Americans who knew what and when which administration officials knew. How soon did they know surely? The scale of of betrayal is almost beyond political analysis. And as I listened to the tapes and read the previews. I couldn't help but remember Donald Trump's words himself when he said. What you have to lose, he said to black-americans before. Before he was elected in two thousand sixteen and as we know, it's a whole lot just for black Americans but. For the family members of. Almost two hundred thousand people who've lost their lives, hundreds of thousands of more including myself who continue to fight to recover every day. Know. I think as a journalist. I always be Joel and I was not in Mr Woodward's shoes. I would like to think that I would not fit on information like that because I see might achieve responsibility. Pretty much above all as as being. A responsible to public. we we always have competing interests, but but that's where my heart is. I try and reserve judgment. I think there's going to be a lot of people out there who are going to say that Donald Trump has always lied since doesn't matter and I think we all really want to be very careful because we don't want to feed into that kind of nihilism. This information would have mattered to me personally, it would have changed the way I behaved. I was careful as is If I had known, it was airborne I wouldn't have been traveling across country am campaign trail. People, I know would have. And potentially not been killed or still be suffering. And I just think this is no longer a story simply about. A rogue president or Donald Trump this is a story about those who naval him. And this is a story about how Americans responded in every single American has responsibility to vote where their hearts. That's all I can say. Understood and thank you for that answer and how well thought out. It was Phil Rucker. It is. It's hard to refute when you can hear the president say things in a recording in what is obviously his voice at today's Baghdad Bob Briefing at the White House Kaley mcenaney took a swing at took an attempt at telling us. We didn't hear what we hear him say but it doesn't work and in fact Carl Bernstein tonight on CNN I'll paraphrase said these are the most consequential presidential recordings ever of course, due to the loss of life resulting from this virus it does make. Nixon saying a million dollars, we can get that. Seem almost quaint, and this it seems is going to hang around a good long while to Bob's point. I think it will Brian and N. Nikki is that these are the president's own words we are hearing than ourselves. We all can listen to those tapes. The American people know what this president sounds like. and. They know exactly what he's saying because he doesn't mince words in knows recordings with Woodward. He makes very clear that he intentionally sought to deceive mislead the American people to lie to the American people at the severity of the threat of Corona virus, and you know the Press Secretary Kaley Macanese denial at the podium today was simply not true and she was confronted by Jeff Bennett at Msnbc about that he said this is on tape. But she continued to deny that the president had ever tried to downplay the virus which we know to be untrue. Robert. Indeed the president who has shown no willingness to take on the the stewardship portion of the job of president as you and I have discussed over these three and a half years now today sat as his defense and I guess he's going to go deep on this. He doesn't want to cause panic. We should add unless you're living in the suburbs and these marauding games are coming for you. Brian is not for a reporter to question someone's intent. He says, that's his intent to not cause panic. But what we can coldly evaluate are the decisions in the choices he makes as president of the United States and it is clear based on Bob Woodward's reporting. That, in lay January he was told this is the gravest threat you've ever seen in your presidency by top national security officials. He's continuing to be briefed by health advisors confidentially privately behind the scenes that this virus's deadly. Airborne. He decides he decides on February seven to confide to Bob Woodward about this as he continues to tell the American people a different version of events about how this pandemic could unfold much of the country did not shut down until March. So his intent may have been in his own is to not cause panic I can't read his mind, but we do know what he did in what he said and for voters in for any American that's just something to evaluate. Having just marked the anniversary of Richard Nixon's departure from the White House of Gerald. Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon the first and earliest glory days of the Washington. Post I. Know Mara will forgive me for showing the audience. The front page of tomorrow's Washington Post paper edition because it is a bracing headline because of what we've all been through what we continue to go through every day I wanted to always play down he said to Bob Woodward. Mara to play another chunk of the. Woodward. Trump interview this is. Race and self awareness will discuss on the other side. Do you have any sense then that privilege as isolated in, put you in a cave to a certain extent is it put me and I think lots of white privilege people in a cave and that we have to. Work. Our way out of the to understand. The anger in the pain. Particularly Black people feel in this country, you sow your. New. You, wow now. Off. Mario reaction. Oh you know it's a president without embassy without shame. You know I think what? What feel so sleazy about these hey Susan is, of course we know that Mr Woodward does not share Mr Trump's feeling I think toward black Americans or lack thereof. But just the ease with which the president feels comfortable communicating. His clear disdain or at least disregard. For. Large numbers of Americans is in of itself extremely talent I mean. Listen to the president in his own words I think it speaks speaks for it or himself. Black Americans already knew exactly who he was. Nothing new there. was with that are thanks to three long-term Friends of this broadcast Philip brooker rubber cost. Mara Gaye greatly. Appreciate you joining us on this news evening. Coming up chances are you don't need another explosive book to make up your mind about the man in the White House when we come back Tom Friedman tells us what he thinks. Well, actually decide the race in November and later a do over for one of the president's pending legal cases. Why the? Attorney. General of the United States tells our own justice correspondent nothing to see here the eleventh hour just getting underway on this busy Wednesday night. Hey It's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening I'll be talking. About what it's like to run a restaurant during the corona virus, my sense is given what kind of energy I'm getting from the veterans in the industry who I do know and how worried they are about things by senses that they're extraordinarily worried the situation that these loans have put us in. It's given us a little bit of a lifeline but Kinda put us in a strange position where we're kind of like sort of acting like an unemployment. Office or maybe employment officer. So it's a very weird position to be in I. Think it's a very dangerous position to be in because I don't think it's very easy for most of us who are trying to run restaurants to like focus on what's going to really help this thing survive I just WanNa? Make sure that people have incomes at this week on wise is happening search for why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe Hi I'm chuck, Rosenberg this season on my podcast the oath I spoke with ten remarkable public servants, men and women who sacrificed for the common good who do things that are hard like former national security. Council. Official Fiona Hill. We can have serious discussion about where we want the relationship with Russia to go but we have to stop using Russia as part of our domestic politics, civil rights, activist Maya Wiley when police officers are not protected when they tell the truth that. Creates a culture of silence that makes them accessories and flight fifteen, forty, nine pilot Captain Sully Sullen ver to know that we had been in the cockpit of that airliner over Manhattan at that low in altitude when we had lost thrust on both engines with so few auctions, he was just starting to catch up on season three of the with all ten episodes now, available search for the Earth wherever you are listening right now to subscribe and here all ten episodes for. Free. These gotcha books really interest me that much on the record he's on erred. These these gotcha books don't really interest me that much he's. It you hear his voice you're contracting with what he says to the public wouldn't that be something of interest to you as a United States senator. Well. Let me let me answer. You gain these gotcha books. Don't really interest me. Was Republican Senator John No relation Kennedy of Louisiana Not surprisingly saying he's not interested in trump's taped comments but what about those who've lost a loved one or their livelihood to the corona virus in his latest column Tom Freidman writes quote the media feed trump's supporters daily diet of how outrageous this or that trump action is but none of it diminishes their support because many trump supporters are not attracted to his policies they're attracted to his attitude, his willingness and evident delight in skewing the people they hate and they feel look down on them. Back with US tonight Tom Friedman three time Pulitzer Prize recipient op ED columnist at the New York Times. It's great to have you great to see you again tell our audience tell all the good folks watching why in your view humiliation is the most underestimated force in American politics today. WE'LL BRIAN IT goes back to a broader you know. Thought I've had since I've been a journalist now since nineteen seventy as as I. Look back on the stories I've covered in the people I've covered. I really spent a lot of my career covering people acting out on their humiliation quest for dignity whether it was Vladimir Putin. I've for the fall of the Soviet Union. China. After century of humiliation Palestinians at Israeli checkpoints. and. It's always for me been pretty clear that since the beginning of the trump administration, the whole from campaign his followers basically Carrying that much about trump what they were focused on the actually I hate the people who hate trump much more than they care about trump. and. These were people they. They identify as sort of the liberal elites as it were and it explains partly why the working class so many white working class. Voters who were Democratic voters. Have found their way into his camp and I was really drawing on the work of my friend. Michael Sandel teaches at Harvard. He's written a book out now called the tyranny of Merit and Michael is basically argued that because we created this meritocracy in this country around college diplomas, they are really the avenue and the information tour for social esteem and dignity. If you don't have a college diploma, you work with your hands. That's somehow diminishes you in the eyes of the public and Michael's arguing that a lot of those people who feel diminish basically a found their way into trump's camp and see trump is the stick they poke in the eye of these elites who they perceive look down at them. Let's talk about how awful it felt in real time. Just an example Hillary Clinton goes to coal country points to the coal mine says, we're GONNA shut this down, but we're going to give you all green jobs a no one in that crowd thought they would ever see a green job be at terrible way to talk to people about their livelihood and generations of family tradition. What about the Modern Democrats do you see? How are they making mistakes whether it's the vocabulary bullying whether it's defunding police, the relentless purity testing what mistakes do you see them making in real time to your point? Well I. Think if you mean reform the police, which is what I think most people mean certainly what I mean and believe is necessary I'm using the phrase fund places is something that is really going to I. Think a blow up in your face and work against you so. I. Don't think that's been helpful at the same time I think Joe Biden's done actually an excellent job a connecting with people and connecting with working class voters and what Michael were arguing is that we were urging that go actually maybe spend you know several days in the countryside meeting with trump voters sitting listening to them I'm a big believer that listening is a sign of respect. Ms. Amazing. What you say when you listen And it's amazing what people will actually allow you to say to them after they feel you've listen and respect to them I don't think this is going to eat deepen doug no allusions into trump's base but you know what? The margins Bryant could really make a difference. Maybe some people will just stay home maybe people will give Biden a second look or or a better hearing so. What what what can it hurt? Clearly, you have this massive block of white working, class voters. Who have left the Democratic Party look for some no doubt. It's about race others it could be about taxes. It could be religion and evangelical is GonNa be all kinds of things. But in this election, every vote's going to count and I think addressing this issue of dignity of work. and. People who work with their hands and don't have college degrees connecting with them and people listen you know they listen to their stomachs they don't listen to their ears connecting with them at the gut level could be really helpful. While from your humble host who lacks a college degree I, can't thank you enough for that Tom Freidman. It's always a great pleasure to have you on our broadcast come by anytime. Thank you very much for staying up with us. Tonight coming up for us the president and says these cheerleader for our country. Lives might have been saved if he hadn't lied to the American public about the severity of deadly virus that point that story one week comeback. Hundred and nine hundred thousand Americans are dead. Our economy crushed our kids not safe in school and trump. Knew it it all along. I wanted to always play in down is still like laying down. That's the campaign spot that Bob Kosta just mentioned minutes ago. The Biden campaign is already using the president's own recorded words against him, and of course, despite the White House denials that the president said that the question remains. How many lives could have been saved had the president not deliberately misled the American people back with US tonight Michael Oester home professor and the Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and policy up at the University of Minnesota he's also co author of the recent book deadliest enemy our war against killer germs Michael Given your life's work your reaction to hearing the president admit that he played down the danger and lethality of this virus. Obviously it's very difficult to hear, and it's also a reminder that We really haven't had a plan to respond to this pandemic in this country from the very beginning and as much as we're concentrating tonight on those early days in suggesting that that was a time when we could have made a big difference in fact, if we recall most countries around the. World had a real challenge with this virus in late March and early April. Those other countries however did shut it down after that and we never did. So I think that the challenge for US tonight is understanding why are we not yet had a plan even not just the first days but the middle days the last days why haven't we had a plan? So these comments happened as I keep pointing out during the month of February, which we just lost to paralysis and activity of a countless number of lives could have been saved. Had it been different but it wasn't. What do we learn from this people contemporaneous? Were guessing the president knew better than what he was saying in his comments who do we believe now however? For, first of all this Cisco back to February you know as you know from my comments on this show before we put a statement out on January twentieth saying that this was going to be a worldwide pandemic. We need to get ready a lot of people missed the early signals including the administration but then what happened by early? March. The most of the people in the public health community and many. Of the medical community in this country did understand and tried to get US prepared. That's where the challenge I think really set in is that I think you know when the borders got closed in the United States and in terms of incoming individuals from China. I was one of those said, I'm not sure why you need to do that and I said that not because I didn't think that it was. Important that people not be allowed in, but it was already too late they were already here. He had closed the borders in February I I'm not sure that this would have played out injured if any differently than it did. But what I keep coming back to is we still don't have a plan and and we need to focus on that because tonight I care about what happens over the next six months. And you know as much as I can go back and yell at the Moon about the fact that we didn't have a plan bag. Then why do we not have a plan now and I think that's the challenge Brian I don't want to sit here six months from now and talk about why did we have six more months of this kind of transmission in this country because we didn't have a plan I think part of the answer to your to your questions societally is that everyone's putting their hopes and dreams on vaccine? Indeed. I. Saw Newsletter Tonight here's the headline Goldman Sachs says there could be a covert nineteen vaccine approved by the end of October. So that's what people are hanging their hats on to a large extent this goes on to say Goldman Sachs. Says Pfizer's candidate vaccine could be approved as early as October this is a newsletter for investors. What's your reaction when you hear that kind of thing? You know it's Pixie dust. It's Pixie dust and what I mean by that is that a Goldman Sachs report it's like that are pretty meaningless because in fact, even if we had a vaccine in November there, we have so few doses in this country. If we get ten million doses a month at first, that's all we're going to get and remember it's GonNa, take two doses of vaccine per person. You can do the math on how many months we have to go before we actually even begin to vaccinate the majority of the United States that's a year from now we're talking about and so yes, that's true. We may have a vaccine yet this fall or more than one vaccine, but it's going to take a substantial time to vaccinate the people and and and so I care about what happens during those six months while we're trying to roll vaccine out and still having people getting very sick what's our plan for that? So I think that that's the challenge that I raised with the media razor with my public health colleagues. What's our plan beyond just the vaccine right now that's just an easy answer and it's not going to be the answer. There's going to save as many lives as I think as people believe to do. Well to our viewers. When you see this man on our show at means, we're GONNA talk about deadly serious business. Such has been the role of Michael Oester home on this broadcast and we greatly appreciate it every time you join us. Thank you much good to see you again. Thank you, Brian. Cutting up the legal questions the legal questions raised one federal officials. Rework reality to fit the president's demands when we continue. This is done frequently it's been done for presidents. It's been done for congressman and elected official. Who is questioned by the press? About his personal affairs. and. Respond in a way that is that he's been he's been sued for defamation. Is. Treated as having occurred in the course of his employment, and that then becomes a suit not against the individual but against the United States. You heard the man nothing to see here the attorney general attempting to paint a DOJ decision to intervene in a civil case against the president perfectly normal in what the New York Times is calling a highly unusual legal move. The DOJ is now representing Donald Trump and a defamation lawsuit. The suit was filed by the New York author e Jean Carroll who accused. Trump of rape in the ninety s she says, he defamed her in the course of his denial. This isn't the first time bar has been accused of undermining the integrity of the Justice Department to benefit the president or acting as if he is the personal lawyer to the president for more, we're delighted to welcome to the broadcast David Road. He's a Pulitzer Prize recipient. Reporter in weight was held captive by the Taliban for seven months prior to his escape. He's currently among the editors at the New Yorker and the author of indeed the FBI, the CIA and the truth about America's deep state also back with us again tonight, Barrett Burger, former assistant us attorney with both the Eastern District of New York and the southern district of new. York great to see you both David by way of welcoming on you on the broadcast. A question I ask of a lot of guests around here bar may call this legitimate but how far from normal are we now? With all due respect, the attorney general, this is just unprecedented. This is about Donald Trump's conduct twenty, five years before he became the president of the United States, it's about as conduct in Bergdorf Goodman a department store were Jean. Carroll says he sexually assaulted her this has nothing to do with his presidency is yet again far using the Justice Department to protect the president and strengthen the presidency, this bar obsession and I it's just a unprecedented in my view. Barrett what what's the legal benefit to the sitting president of the United States. I think there's a few benefits to the president by having the US government substituted as the defendant. In this case, I is a delay by making this move to federal court whether or not. He ultimately prevails on the merits of this move. He's certainly slowed down the process possibly until after the election, this keeps him out of the realm of discovery which could include depositions giving DNA samples things that the sitting president probably is not keen to do. The other obvious benefit to the president is financial If the president is having government lawyers represent him, he's not the one footing the defense bill that's the taxpayers. So there's a few very concrete benefits to the president by making a move like this. David question to you as a guy who's written up thousands of words about hundreds of people do you think bar is seemingly okay. With his legacy being formed to now. For his family members and for all of history as being. So highly obedient as attorney general to the setting president of the United States. I think he is, and you see throughout his career. He believes the presidency should be stronger than the other two branches of government visit frightening and extreme legal theory. It throws out three coequal branches that I think are foundation of our democracy but he thinks a strong president is needed to the country together and to effectively government he's created that with Donald Trump. If Donald, trump gets a second term, you'll have a president with power that legal scholars have told me rivals the power of a king and again, this is just extraordinary. You know moments in an unprecedented actions by an American Attorney General. I also wanted to raise this with the two of you. This whistle blower complaint came out late today at it was made public today. It accuses trump administration officials of trying to manipulate our US intelligence to better fit with the president's version of the truth according to this report. This is the acting. Secretary Secretary Chad Wolf is said to have instructed a top DHS analysts to quote ceased providing intelligence assessments on the threat of Russian interference in the United States and instead start reporting on interference activities by China and Iran according to the report. The employee was also asked to modify intelligence assessments to ensure they matched up with the public comments by the president on the subject of Antifa anarchist groups bear. Let's start on the law if a whistle blower in a case like this, with all else we are covering with all else we are distracted by if a whistle blower proves to be right who pays and who do we see about that. I mean the allegations raised in this complaint or are just shocking we thought we had seen. You know the most egregious allegations we could see in a whistleblower complaint and now we have this one I mean what's so Damning about these allegations is it really threatens our fundamental security. We have to have accurate threat assessments so that the government know how to allocate resources so that we can know the areas where we have particular vulnerabilities, and if you think about it, if you had somebody come to do an assessment of your home to see where you need an alarm system, if that person didn't give you an honest assessment of the weaknesses in your home in only told you what you wanted to hear, you'd be compromised in your own personal safety. The American people are compromised if these allegations are in fact true. David I'm reminded the book nineteen eighty-four begins with the clock striking thirteen o'clock There's a through line here and that is ignoring reality for a subset of reality. Lot of people say they may think we're stupid. They may think will will believe what we know to be false. But a question to you when is something like the pandemic the president's words versus actions? When is that going to be seen as a national security matter given that that's so much of your life's work. I. Might be now with this this new recordings, but it's this is a pattern we've seen before in American history, its intelligence officials, telling the president, what the president wants to hear, and if you look back our our biggest until it is the buckles that cost American lives. The Bay of Pigs, the Vietnam War, the two, thousand, three invasion of Iraq, all involved you know intelligence assessments that told the president, what they wanted to hear I completely agree to dangerous for the American public but it it is just can't get more serious it can cost lives and this this this pattern. Is Very very dangerous for the country. Bear Burger. It's great to see you again after so many hours of legal coverage you and I engaged in David Road. It is great to have you on our broadcast. 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Morning Joe 7/11/19

"Several young women who say they were teenagers when Jeffrey Epstein sexually assaulted them they say they went to you looking for help and they didn't hear back from you until it was too late. Do you owe them an apology so nope you're raising the issue of victim notification and in the documents that I've circulated. I've addressed the issue of victim notification as well the career prosecutor in this case. I had a difficult decision to make and she didn't make it alone. She made it in consultation with the F._B._i.. And committed in consultation with the office you have no regrets. We believe that we proceeded appropriately. Would you make this same agreement today. I don't think we can say you know. Take a case that is this old and fully know-how. Oh how it play out today I I understand what the victim say and I'm not here to try to say that I can stand in their shoes for that. I can address their concerns. I'm here to say we did what we did because we wanted to see Epstein go to jail Labor Secretary. Alex Acosta has no apologies for his action in two thousand eight Non Prosecution Agreement with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein a deal that let the wealthy financier avoid the possibility of a lengthy jail sentence and violated a law to notify victims according to a recent court ruling on twitter former Justice Department spokesman Matt Miller asked. I don't know why it cost doesn't say this in response to the victim question. I'm sorry I tried to do my best for you. I'm sorry I wasn't able to get a better outcome. I wish I had and in hindsight maybe I made the wrong decisions. I did the best I could but you deserve better. No no apologies good morning and welcome to morning Joe it is Thursday July ally eleventh along with Joe Willie and me we have White House reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lemere in Washington former chairman of the Republican National Committee now and M._S._N._B._C. political analyst and host of the aptly named podcast the Michael Steele podcast Michael Steele and in London Washington anchor for B._B._C. World News America Katty Kay not waking up early this morning. They're waking up early. Finally this morning Jonathan before we we launch into everything else just really quickly. What's the headline out of a causes press conference yesterday as it pertains Donald Trump did he help himself at all with his audience of one or did he dig his whole only that much deeper will cost the latest example of persons associated with this president who doesn't apologize there was no? I'm sorry there was no expression of regret. This wasn't the fiery performance that we saw from cabinet. The Justice now justice cavenaugh during his confirmation hearings but there certainly was some defiance here we have heard is the president was relatively pleased with how yesterday went White House aides signal to the secretary that they thought he did well certainly there has been no people are still rallying around him on the Republican side but will really come into play. Here is how this plays out in the media of the next couple of days. The president did watch performance yesterday to be sure what he wants to see now is how it's covered how it's covered on cable how it's covered in the newspapers these the next few days does the this continue the drumbeats or more victims gonNA come forward at this becomes a story. If this stays in the news at the stage the dominant story the secretary may have a very hard time keeping onto his job even though he safe at this moment all right we're following a lot of stories this morning. Including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi appearing to issue a warning to her fellow Democrats telling them to come talk to her. I instead of tweeting complaints and Alexandria Cossio he's here. Cortez is responding nationwide raids to arrest thousands of undocumented immigrants are set to begin on Sunday the New York Times reports citing current and former homeland security officials a State Department intelligence analyst has resigned in protest after the White House blocked portions of his written testimony on climate change and its threat to national security and President Trump's fourth of July celebration has bankrupted Washington. D._C.'s security and anti-terrorism fund according to the city's mayor and New York City celebrated the four-time World Cup Champion U._S. Women's national team with a ticker tape parade through lower Manhattan in yesterday as chance of equal pay broke out during the ceremony at City Hall. I I have chills. That's fantastic actually take up the labor secretary speaking of secretary. Let's go Labor Secretary Alex Kosta defending his role in cutting a sweetheart deal for wealthy sex offender Jeffrey Epstein a decade ago two thousand eight non-prosecution agreement that let the wealthy financier of void the possibility of a lengthy jail L. Sentence and violated a law to notify victims. According to a recent court ruling critic say a cost US offer also shielded others who may have been implicated in epsteins misconduct so some would say this is a favor for a lot of different people a person familiar with the matter tells N._B._C. News that president trump spoke to a cost of by phone on Tuesday afternoon and urged him to hold a news conference to answer reporters questions things about the case cost read an eight minute statement and took questions for about forty five minutes in which he deflected the blame to local prosecutors victims reluctant to be identified and the Times they were in the facts aren't Morton and facts are being overlooked. This matter started as a state matter who has prosecuted initially by the State of Florida and not by the U._S. Attorney's office the Palm Beach State Attorney's Office was ready to let Epstein walked free no jail time nothing prosecutors in my former office found this to be completely unacceptable and they became involved. The office became involved without the work of our prosecutors. Epstein would have gotten away with just that state charge so secretary costs pointing the finger at the Palm Beach County State Attorney. Barry Kirschner responded to last night. He said that he can quote emphatically state that secretary cost is completely wrong in a statement Christopher said in part federal prosecutors do not take a back seat to state prosecutors. That's not how the system works in the real world the U._S.. Attorney's office produced a fifty three page indictment that was abandoned after secret negotiations between Mr epsteins lawyers Mr Kosta the state attorney's office was not a party to those meetings or negotiations and definitely had no part in the federal non-prosecution non-prosecution agreement and the unusual confidentiality agreement. They'd kept everything hidden from the victims. If Mister Acosta was truly concerned with the state's case and felt he had to rescue the matter he would have moved forward with the fifty three page indictment document that his own office drafted instead Mr Koster brokered a secret plea deal that resulted in a non prosecution agreement in violation of the Crime Victims Rights Act so that is the Palm Beach County Attorney Mika firing back Second Secretary Kosta so there's a lot to unpack here in a moment. We're going to bring in former federal prosecutor plus more of Jonathan Lumieres reporting on how the cost appearance came to be but I last night former U._S.. Attorney and N._B._C. News law enforcement analyst Chuck Rosenberg had a strong fact check about Kosta. We WanNa play for you now. Some more of a Costa's arguments interspersed with Chuck's analysis the Palm Beach State Attorney's off this was ready to let Epstein Walk Free No jail time nothing if Alyssa cost thought that the case was not being properly handled by the state he had the complete ability to bring charges. Federally these cases are complex flex especially when they involve children scared and traumatized refusing to testify they had more than thirty minor child victims in this case even if a bunch of them didn't WanNa testify and I completely understand that some number would benny today question the terms of that ultimatum what's called the non-prosecution agreement if they didn't feel they had the quantum of proof they needed. They simply could have continued the investigation until they did. There was no time stamp on this. There was no urgency to negotiate a nonprofit agreement based on the evidence. There was value to getting a guilty plea. We don't normally in fact we don't routinely almost ever encases with a non prosecution agreement. If we don't have a case we simply don't bring it or we'd roll the dice and -greeing a federal indictment are there were thousands of prosecutors in cops and agents around the country entry making difficult sex crimes cases the notion that we couldn't bring such a case all the way back in two thousand seven is deeply wrong deeply dangerous and by the way deeply insulting to the men and women who are doing this kind of work. Let's bring in former federal prosecutor Elliot Williams. He has served as Deputy Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs in the U._S.. Department of Justice Eliot thanks for being on this morning. Chuck Rosenberg really late refuted pretty much. Everything comes to set in that news conference yesterday. How does this play out moving forward given now what the Southern District of New York is doing it seems like every tease make can be undermined and and at some point does it cost to get held accountable well? I don't know because it gets held accountable makeup because it seems that the thing that gets you fired from this administration is disloyalty to the president or weakness and not misconduct condo what about well he can't. He's not likely to face any personal liability for this because this let's talk about Matt Miller tweet from a little bit earlier even if he were to acknowledge wrongdoing or fault he's not going to get sued for it. As a prosecutor because prosecutors prosecutors have a tremendous amount of discretion to decide whether to bring cases and look sometimes you just make a bad call and what he should have done is said I made a bad call. I exercise my discretion in a poor way and I'm profoundly sorry but he just didn't do that so I think maybe he takes a little bit of a reputational hit for a while but until the president decides that he's done with Alex Acosta Alex Acosta remains labor secretary but but but Elliott this isn't a close call though is that here you have a guy that had over thirty thirty victims who had already come forward at that point and not only did he give this guy a sweetheart deal. He made sure that no one else could prosecute him. Anywhere in the United States of America bad is not not a missed call. That's that's not just failing on the margins. That's four more than that. Sorry sorry it's the exercise of poor judgment. I don't think but no it's not a close call and look. Let's not give if the Palm Beach County State's Attorney's office a free pass here either they signed off on that thirteen month deal that actually had epstein able to work every day and it was a slap on the wrist to but we have to focus our attention on Kosta as the federal prosecutor here he's at the top of the pecking order of law enforcement down there and they could have given him a fifteen year mandatory minimum sentences for some of the conduct of you know if he was found with child pornography on his computer so <hes> but I think in this fight between the locals and the feds I think were looking away from the conduct of the locals as well and vase fell asleep on the job to everybody failed here and thankfully the New York federal so prosecutors have picked up the ball and hopefully will advance this forward in the way that the victims and these crimes deserve so Michael Steele. Let's answer me. This question about the accountability will cost to be held accountable. I think other within the president of the United States everybody that I've heard from thought everybody that I read thought that it costs to did an absolutely miserable performance some White House aides telling reporters off the record that actually costs to hurt his chances of surviving. What politically politically what was the takeaway of yesterday's press conference? I think that's close to where everyone settled here. In Town Joe The idea that a cost of did not go out there as a firebrand as we saw in the cavenaugh hearings part to where after the break cavanaugh came back and really you know show that he was gonNA fight for this this argument on behalf of his appointment. Weightman and here you didn't see a cost to make the case to the president why he should stay the way the president typically likes to see which is to go push back against the system make the proper noise so that did weaken in his position inside the administration with the president to the extent that this continues to Jonathan's reporting earlier that if this continues to bleed out which it will this story is not going to go away. It is not going to dissipate. There's only going to be more narrative to come from it. I suspect by the end of the summer beginning of the fall that bubble begins to have some holes in it for Kosta with the president if he doesn't come back in just forcefully a a circus case in the way the president would like to see it really unfortunately if you're a Kosta there is no asserting yourself forcefully defending yourself forcefully forcefully. Sometimes you're just you're you're. You're in a situation that can't be defended again. This is very clear. Even when we go back to that two thousand two party where Donald Trump and Epstein were having a party by themselves with those calendar girls the guy that was bringing the calendar girls down and I put that in quotation marks Said said to trump warming warned him of his reputation with underage girls said he wanted no part of it trump himself in two thousand and two told New Yorker magazine that Epstein Light Young Girls everybody he knew this accosted by two thousand seven had thirty young minors coming forward saying that they had been raped or sexually abused or sexually harassed by Jeffrey Epstein and he still put forward a deal that would chill Epstein forever from prosecution. I don't think you can defend that the press conference and he tried yesterday right that was secretary Costa's best defense that was the best performance he could possibly give and it wasn't very convincing for all the reasons we've just laid out president trump up as we know has no particular affection for Alexander costs as not a loyalist not a guy who's been by his side for a long time. I think president trump find him disposable. He will dispose of them pretty quickly and frankly as we all know anybody WHO's not inside. The family family at this point is disposable so I wouldn't expect a cost to last if this continues to heat up I wanted to ask Elliott just a pullback the aperture a little bit here and look at the big picture of what's going on giving your experience as a prosecutor getting everything you know about the legal L. System and some of the pressures that might be put on from the outside by powerful people. What do you think happened here? Why would Alexander Kosta Guy who had a good record previous to this was a he's a well pedigree attorney and everything else? Why would he enter into this non-prosecution agreement? Why would he ignore a fifty three page indictment and more than thirty victims in this case? What do you see going on here? Elliott look we all read the Miami Herald piece that laid this out beautifully that said that you had had an incredibly influential defendant with incredibly high powered attorneys who was able to beat a case. That's what it came down to look there were Joseph dozens and dozens of victims here and if they wanted to bring a case they could've figured out a way to make it and now as we know everything that's charged in new that was charged in New York earlier. This week could have been charged back then because it was all largely the same conduct and there would have been a nexus between Florida and New York if they just had taken the time look for it or been able to been able to find it and so no it's a wealthy defendant with a lot of money that might have caused a lot of heartburn to a state prosecutor took department. You'll federal prosecutor's office down there and I think they might have just gotten what does that mean to cause heartburn other words if your job is to protect the victims and to prosecute a case what is money due to a prosecutor sure so for instance they could have embarrassed the victims they could have embarrassed the prosecute. This happens all the time that's people lodge their defenses and they're entitled to do so but when you've got a lot of high-powered attorneys and a lot of money you can cause a higher profile problem for a federal prosecutors and I think they might have just gotten stared and again. Julie Brown's Miami Herald piece really lays this out talking talking about and frankly the interplay between how the prosecutors and the defense attorneys were talking to each other. There's a quote from one of the articles that one of the prosecute one of the line prosecutors was storing the federal code for misdemeanors. She could charge because she wanted to go away okay and didn't want to charge him with a felony. They were just trying to avoid it appears that they were just trying to avoid publicity. They were trying to avoid drama for lack of a better term for the prosecutor's office but you're exactly right Willie. Your job is to protect the the public and again. Thankfully the southern district of New York has taken that addition took a decade to do so I guess one additional point and just responding to a cost point that abuse of changed since this came out and that you know the way we treat victims is different. I was a prosecutor I in two thousand four. It has never been the case that prosecutors have been reluctant to believe the views of sex assault survivors or the processes have been afraid of bringing these cases four. I think that he was a master class defensiveness and buck-passing but that's just not the way it works and he should have known better than to make a comment like that was so caddy what we're finding is as we pill back this sorry story. We're finding that not only early Acosta and the U._S.. Attorney's Office failed. You also force heard Elliott's criticism of what happened in Palm Beach you also now. We're getting reports out of New York that the D._A.'s Office office in New York did not check on on at did not make Epstein check in regularly that the New York City police did not make him check in regularly. We've heard that the Palm Beach County sheriff's absolve would allow him to go from his halfway house being picked up by his valet. Everybody was allowing this guy to get away with raping little girls slapping him on the wrist and doing everything they could play Nice with Jeffrey Epstein and the question that hovers above all of these jurisdictions and all of these decisions is why it's an incredibly painful story from the point interview the victims and the only legitimate apology that Alex Costa could possibly have made yesterday would be the honest one would be to say I let a wealthy powerful person get the better of a justice system. We are not all equal all in the eyes of the law the this case suggests if Jeffrey Epstein and you have cloud and you can use your money in your power because you have potentially political influences well then you can get away with this kind of thing. That was the only apology it was not a question of. Alex Costa being able to say I did the best possible job I did back in two thousand and eight things a different. We're due at two thousand eight here. We're not talking about the nineteen sixties. This is two thousand and eight and it's not the case as Elliot was just saying the prosecutors take into account victim trauma or didn't take into account. The fact of the stories might change the victim shaming was allowed. This is not very long ago and yet this is simply as a case of somebody who is rich and powerful being able to get away with the porn behavior because he could use his political local cloud so joe as we know this up and and go to break. I just have to ask as we as we look at this entire conversation we just had how possible is it that this is just a miserable the job done by Alex Acosta but he was just bad at his job. How possible is it that just Jeffrey Epstein raped young girls in this grand scheme? How possible is it that this wasn't some scheme that that involved a lot of powerful men who wanted to cover for themselves and had some sort of deal going with Alex Acosta and that is why I wonder how there could be no legal ramifications for those in charge here for for those who are in charge of protecting the victims and instead covered up for Jeffrey Epstein but you gotTa be kidding me that we're just talking about Jeffrey Epstein here? Does anyone disagree well first of all. That's why I one of the reasons why southern districts investigation of New York's investigation into these charges is going to be so important because we're going to find out there have been people who have accused others and the Miami Herald has reported that we know that Jeffrey Epstein had power that could scare off prosecutors perhaps because of money powerful lawyers because of money but also so you have to go back to this time period and see that he was closely connected with Donald Trump as we said he and trump would have parties by themselves at Moral Lago show whole place partner is themselves themselves and bringing girls for themselves. If you don't think that didn't get around Palm Beach everybody knew that he was connected with trump who was one of the most powerful forces in Palm Beach at the time throwing around money and then of course when you go to the state of New York you have recently retired the fortieth president the forty second president of the United States Bill Clinton who flew around with him regularly you also of course very powerful lawyers like Alan Dershowitz were connected with with Jeffrey Epstein Dershowitz was quoted saying that if you were in New York City you had to know Donald Trump Tom and Jeffrey Epstein and hang out with them because they were the epicenter of power that those were Dershowitz his words so with that as a backdrop you gotta ask the question was about money wasn't about the powerful lawyers or was it about the powerful people that Jeffrey Epstein always surrounded himself with need anyhow or no but we will find out I think after this investigation unfolds exactly who was with him on his island in his Manhattan townhouse while some very bad things were going on. Oh in weight Aleksei Kosta gets job as labor secretary interesting Elliot Williams. Thank you very much still ahead on morning. Joe Nancy Pelosi takes on the squad tensions are flaring between the House Speaker and four Progressive Freshman Democrats despite a new call for unity plus new reporting that Iranian ships tried to intercept British edged tanker in the Persian Gulf. We'll talk to a member of the House Armed Services Committee about that but first. Let's go to Bill Cairns with a check on the severe weather headed toward the Gulf Coast Bill O. Good Morning Jimmy go all eyes are on New Orleans Louisiana. That's WHO's GonNa get hit the worst and yesterday it was bad enough. The appetizer of the storm dropped six to ten inches of rainfall and overwhelmed the pump system in New Orleans widespread flooding was reported a lot of that has been cleared out now with the pump system but additional rain an additional flooding is expected in the city so let's get to the storm. It's still a disturbance. It is not yet a depression that should happen later today. The Hurricane Center then thinks you should become a tropical storm in about twenty four hours in about forty eight hours from now become a category one hurricane became just south of southern Louisiana notice that we've taken Houston out of this. It's mostly Louisiana problem and a rainfall problem in areas of Mississippi and here's my greatest concern. Here's the storm surge forget you don't need a powerful hurricane to cause problems with rainfall and would search notice the winds. This is one o'clock Saturday right up the mouth of the Mississippi River. That's what we're most concerned with. The New Orleans area to forecast here has it at twenty feet the levees a lot of the levees are at twenty feet in New Orleans that would mean the possibility of overtopping shopping at this point. We think the levy system should hold up. It shouldn't break like it didn't Katrina but overtopping. If it overwhelms the pumps we could see additional flooding so we'll find out what's going to happen with the storm and the next two days we will give you more updates as the storm begins to strengthen and possibly becomes <unk> Hurricane Berry Hi. It's Katy Tur WanNa keep up with M._S._N._B._C. While you're on the go subscribe to the M._S._N._B._C. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news text M._S._N._B._C. Two six six eight six six to subscribe Katty Kay you're in London. I'm curious what the reaction is to the United States pressuring the British government to get rid of their ambassador making step down and also very frightening cables. It seems to me to be a threat not only British ambassadors but ambassadors across the globe any idea who hacked Derek's cables. No there's been a special inquiry launched in parliament around this and there's lots of speculation but at the moment you know wasn't a foreign actor was it some other state was at somebody internally was a disgruntled member of the civil servant. Was it somebody with a personal grudge against the ambassador to Washington. All of that is speculation at the moment. We don't know we do know it costs a chill as you suggest on ambassadors not just British ambassadors but American ambassadors who are meant to be sending back their candid opinions from Beijing or Saudi Arabia and we'll now think wow my tables could also be hacked in terms of what this suggests about the relationship between the British government and Washington the view here is that the trump administration bullied Britain and British officials including Boris Johnson. And potentially the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom didn't stand up for their own person and that is why Kim Derek had to sit step down the special relationship doesn't look very special at the moment I mean it looks like we are in a position where Britain is subservient giant to Washington's Way and Donald Trump if he doesn't like somebody could get away with this kind of behavior and there's not much recourse that Britain has when we are desperate post brexit for some kind of a trade deal with the White House that the trump administration action will likely be negotiating. It's it's a bad precedent in terms of the independence of diplomats and it doesn't look good for the state of British politics or the British American relationship is also bad because Derrick said a privately was trying to say privately what every ambassador I've spoken to from all across the world who said about Donald Trump so catty speaking of Boris Johnson is he in line to be the next British prime minister. It's hard to see that he won't be German. All political people here in Washington in in London saying that barring something extraordinary Boris Johnson will be Britain's next prime minister he he gets to be chosen by Conservative Party members. That's a very small group of people amongst whom he is extremely popular a little bit like trump supporters. There's not much Boris Johnson can do that will dissuade them and what he has been saying. Hang over this whole issue the ambassadors. He's been prising this special relationship that he says he has with Donald trump but anyone who's watched foreign leaders deal with Donald Trump and thinks that just because you think you have a special relationship means you'll go and get a special deal. You have to think again right <MUSIC>. I'm Donald Trump doesn't stick by people just because they flatter him. Emmanuel macron of France tried that it didn't work out so well so of course Johnson isn't going to be able to think that I have this special what trump's I'm going to get a special deal for the United Kingdom. I just don't think that's how this White House work so Jonathan just to bounce back to the British ambassador being run out the president called him on twitter wacky. Call them a pompous fool. Call them stupid all these things. How did this play out in the White House wants? Those cables were leaked. It was a pretty quick death. I imagined legend for the ambassador now. The ambassador used to be pretty popular. Yeah the trump White House what Western officials would frequently guests at events or parties he would throw at the ambassador's residence in Washington but as soon as these cables leaked it changed on a dime the president was as we where we reported was in a rage about it. He doesn't think he cannot handle most of all is to be embarrassed to be laughed at to be slighted publicly to not be taken seriously that fuel so much of his anger and resentment domestically or on the world stage and as soon as he started to signaling and it wasn't wasn't much of a subtle signal that he wouldn't be dealing with US ambassador anymore. The rest of the White House followed suit an S. caddy said it was when Boris Johnson in particular said that he would not keep did not offer his support to the ambassador that the writing then was officially on wall and there was no choice the White House then pushed him out and the resignation came very quickly thereafter all right the mustard opinion pages are next including one that calls Joe Biden a closet Republican. We'll be right back time now for the must read opinion pages and in his latest column for The New York Times entitled Joe Biden Closet Republican Frank Bruni puts forth that former Vice President Biden is the liberal Bob Dole the loser Mitt Romney the supposedly safe bet who's older shot. He writes in part this I recognize the model for Joe Biden's unusual campaign the former president whose pitch Biden's most closely resembles George George W Bush I'm referring to Bush's first presidential bid in two thousand Bush's strategy and success arguably hinged less on selling himself as a new kind of republican than on being seen as a tested trusted crusted traditional brand Biden is campaigning on his eight years as vice president. He's also campaigning on the nostalgia of his surname the familiarity of his presence and the comfort of his aura and that's not just a tactic tactic from Bush's playbook. It's quintessentially a Republican move. Biden is trying to get Democrats to do something that Republicans have more practice at choose a nominee who's do over one. Who's new? He's the Liberal Rohit Oration of Bob Dole the looser version of Mitt Romney John McCain without Lindsey Graham glued to his side he has he has his raft of policy positions. Many of them echoes or adaptations of Obama's but they're not what his supporters think of. I they're not what he thinks that I either Joe. I just wonder is there something wrong with that. I mean I I'm not sure this is a criticism or is it. What will tell you what make there's absolutely absolutely nothing wrong with that whatsoever not that? There's anything wrong with US along as he wins exactly if he loses people be writing about it for the next four years. Let's bring in the chairman of Priorities U._S._A.. Guy Sees a guy. There have been moments where I talked mainly Democrats Democratic Downers also a lot of democratic grassroots people and when I'm talking to him about Joe Biden and ask you know how you feel about Biden Hausa party feeling about by now the grassroots people filling up by money it sounds eerily like what I heard about Bob Dole and nineteen ninety-five and I say to myself so is Frank Bruni onto something because after all going with the safe say bat didn't work for Republicans with Ford Dull Romney McCain so even though that's a republican stick. It's not a winning approach. What are your thoughts well? I think one of the challenges for Joe Biden in the context of the Democratic primary is that he's at `institutionalised at a time where our faith and institutions is declining he wants to make the institutions of government and of Washington work for middle class last people and for the rest of America and I think he has to do a more compelling job of talking about how fixing those institutions actually helps us build a more inclusive economy how it appeals to the issues that are most salient in the Democratic Primary Mary the worst thing you could call somebody in the Democratic primary as a closet Republican. I'm not sure most Republicans would agree with that assessment Joe Biden <hes> but certainly he has some work to do and making sure that he's as forward-looking looking as possible not just to deal with the fact that he's in `institutionalised but obviously to deal with what I would consider unfair criticisms of his age as well so guy helped me out here because we hear all the time that. That Americans want somebody that can bring both sides together. You look at most polls in American say they want to get things done. They want somebody like Joe. Biden who can bring Republicans and Democrats together or somebody on the Republican side that could do the same. I'm wondering if they're just saying that to make the person who's conducting the focus group feel better about themselves or the pollster the same like like they are actually not just retreating into the tribalism or car with all the people you've talked to and all the swing voters you focused on. Have you found that there actually is a market for somebody that can bring both sides together well. Most Americans Americans want a president that can bring both sides together to all of the things that they agree with and none of the things that they disagree with which typically is how most of us work <hes> but I think this is a reflection more as a response to Donald trump the the thing that we hear most often whether it's in focus groups or talking to people around the country is that they are uneasy just with policy not just an ideology but with the incoherent way that this president actually runs sons or pretends to run the government of the most powerful country on the planet what people are looking for is stability. They're looking for vision. They WanNa believe that every day doesn't bring a new rack of horror upon the country that that there is a plan to accomplish things that that they're setting out to do and yes they do both parties to work together but not just an absence of an agenda and I think the important part of what Democrats need to communicate is not just what they believe but how they will get it done coming into January of twenty twenty one to Michael Steele. We should point out that the hand wringing we're seeing among many Democrats about Joe. Biden comes about a candidate who still even after that debate in the real clear average is up by eleven twelve points. Yes this primary a lot can change a lot change after that debate. How much is this conversation a reaction to his performance over those two hours on the stage in Miami I think I think that's a lot of it Willie? I think it is a reaction to that. I think is always always kind of been bubbling beneath the surface. Even before Vice President Biden got into the race this sort of you know sense of well. We WanNA push the future. Now we want to push into the future now with this set of candidates versus what Biden would bring to the table as a traditionalist if you will but I wanNA push back in on guy in Joe just a little bit here in terms of the references to these foregone long ago Republicans and how this plays out that works if you're talking about a conventional presidential race if the Republican opponent to Joe Biden is a conventional Republican opponent. That's not the space we're in. We're in a very asymmetrical asymmetrical political space and everybody in this town and outside of this town is still playing a very conventional game against Donald Trump which is why he kicks there but every single day from politics to the media so what then becomes the the underlying strategy in an asymmetrical political game against an opponent who doesn't give a damn about convention and about the sanctity impurity of the process. How do you put together and push forward <unk> a Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or Buddha judge well look? I think you have to things that are really important to understand number one. We can't be chasing trump every time he says something stupid or otherwise. We'd need to be tracing trump on his terrain. Every day. All Day long the number two we need to make sure that we are actively pushing things that we think the American people care about not just in a primary but in general election my biggest concern about where we are today Democrats is that there is so much focus so much focus on the primary very that we're letting trump get away with advertising online probably advertising on television by this spring organizing on the ground in several states we need Democrats who aren't just paying attention to the primary but are preparing the largest most aggressive campaign pain and yes Michael the most unconventional campaign against this president switching gears to it's going to be a high profile Senate race. Amy McGrath had record fundraising for her challenge to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell but yesterday ended up get voicing very different opinions about Cavanaugh saying I in an interview that she saw nothing in his record that would disqualify him and then later on twitter offering apology suggesting that she would have voted no for his confirmation and saying that pitching Yoshi disappointed some of her supporters so my question to you is it's the same idea. Is this a moment where try and suggest you could work with the other side that you could work with Republicans could hurt her chances or is that something you need to do you in Kentucky at the risk of alienating this sort of liberal energy that seems to be behind that fundraising number look. I think the most important thing that amy McGrath can do is just being me McGrath. I think a lot of times when we get into Senate races particularly in red states which I have a lot of experience and you have people that try to calculate the most salient position the position that's going to appeal to the largest number of people which in theory sounds great for a campaign but if it's not authentic if it's not who you are it's going to backfire. I think McGrath has an amazing story to tell her service in the military compared to what McConnell has been doing for the last thirty years single-handedly destroying the United States Senate and turning it into basically really playing ground for Donald Trump and his cronies McGrath just needs to be McGrath say what she believes be unapologetic about it and people will forgive difference if they feel like you're being authentic and you have them at at the core of your campaign what they won't forgive give what they won't forgive is in authencity what they won't forgive is just thinking that a set of poll tested narratives. There's going to be successful whether it's a blue state or in this case red state so Guy Kennedy Democrat when the State of Kentucky being against Judge Cavanaugh I think so I mean we've had cases before where there's been these types of disagreements. There's no question is a challenge but people want well. I still hope that people want United States senators that are of principle and if the if the entrance fee to being in the United States Senate is supporting somebody like judge cavenaugh then it's not a Senate I WOULD WANNA be guy sees. Thank you very very much and still go gators Nice gators Sater's time I noticed that I noticed the tide look a little orange and blue as well so I appreciate you not talking about even this early in the morning all right still ahead for pay morning. Joe Family Willie Geist here. If you like the long long deep dive conversations on Morning Joe Every day I think you will love my Sunday. 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Week In The News: Border Wall Lawsuit, Acosta Accusations, North Carolina Election Fraud

"This message comes from on points sponsor, indeed, if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From WB are Boston and NPR. I'm David Folkenflik. And this is on point has week one of President Trump's national emergency at the southern border drew to a close sixteen states in the were already filing federal lawsuits in California to prevent the president from acting on it. He professed confidence. We're going to be very successful with the lawsuit. So it was filed it was filed in the ninth circuit. And I actually think we might very well even in the ninth circuit because it's an open and close case. That's not quite right. The lawsuits were actually filed in federal district court in San Francisco, but the president may well already thinking ahead to the appeals process in North Carolina officials ordered a new election after a disputed congressional race marked by admissions by Republicans of ballot fraud trying to keep absentee voters from having their votes. Counted attorney Marc Elias represents Dan mccranie, the democratic candidate in the house race, and he spoke to CBS after the conclusion. Of the three day hearing. The takeaway is that the process worked that they will have an opportunity to have a free and fair election that is not the product of fraud or taint logic you on this week. Join us what do you make of the president's declaration of national emergency. What do you think about this question of fair elections? You can join us anytime on point radio dot org or on Twitter and Facebook ad on point radio. Joining us this week from Washington DC, the nation's capital is it O'Keefe CBS news political correspondent at Akif. Welcome back on point great to be with you. Also with us from Washington is ginger Gibson. She's national political correspondent for Reuters ginger Gibson. Welcome back. Thanks again. And from Hanover, New Hampshire on points on news analyst, Jack Beatty. Hello, Jack, David, Ed ginger. So let's start with what we heard from at the top the attorney general of California. How have your Sarah was among those leading essentially a group of sixteen. States in a federal court in San Francisco in which he argued the president was taking away money that states would need for other purposes. Everyone is concerned when you here that eight billion dollars of money that you were expecting to come for other important programs is now going to be rated by the president to pay for a border wall, which congress specifically decided not to fund at the level. The president wants I think every state should be worried ginger Gibson. You're seeing challenges in court from the ACLU as well as those sixteen states to the president's national emergency. You're seeing a challenge in the house of representatives. How likely is the president's national emergency to endure you're seeing all of these challenges because it's a bit of a Sikh for jurisdiction who has the ground be able to say they can oppose it. What forum is it in the courts is it in Balochistan later what's going to work. So they're a little bit of trying everything many legal. Collars, think that there could be at least a preliminary success in the San Francisco court is a court that has frequently ruled against the president we expect the house of representatives overwhelmingly passed their resolution there are still questions about what will happen in the Senate. But this is really just an attempt to try on all fronts to stop the president in the courts on on different grounds in the courts. You know, we see this lawsuit which is going to talk about the money coming away from the states. The U is going to take a different tact. We could see them start to get rolled in together. But really, this is sort of a full-frontal assault and in every way possible to get it stopped at O'Keefe. The legal battle is commenced. The president seems to be an -ticipant the idea of this being kit to peels court rules against the administration or maybe even Wilson his favor in some ways. There's also the question the house of representatives, obviously, the house now a run by the. Democrats the Senate run by Republicans, but a number of Republican senators have voiced real concern. And reservations about this. The state of national -mergency being declared at a time when many people feel there is no actual crisis to be addressing what do you think they're prospects that on this issue? Senate Republicans decide to strike a position of independence from this White House pretty slim so far David on Friday morning. The house of representatives unveiled their resolution. It has at least two hundred twenty two cosponsors. It's unclear if any Republicans in the house signed onto it, but it will be considered by the house next week. It's affected to pass easily. And then the question is what happens in the Senate, you need at least four Republican senators to join with the Democrats in that chamber to essentially push it over the edge majority rule in that case. But the question would be would there be enough for a veto override by the president? Because the president has basically made clear he would veto this legislation. Or it ever to be passed by the house and the Senate, and at this point, there's no reason to believe that that necessarily exists nothing that he's done so far has been overridden by congress, which at one time or another has been controlled at least partially by Republican. So whether this is the issue that Republicans suddenly start to distinguish themselves from him on is unclear but there are people like, Pat Toomey and. Susan Collins, right? Susan Collins from Maine and others who've expressed concern about this and the potential overreach. Even folks like Marco Rubio down in Florida who say that they don't generally find this to be a good idea. And you gotta remember to the two senators from Texas, for example, Ted Cruz, and John Cornyn have to be sensitive to this. Because if the wall as the president wants it were to ever be built under national emergency. They would end up seizing property from Texans and people along the border have made very clear they are post to this because they don't think it's necessary, and they don't wanna see imminent domain used. So it could become a sensitive state issue for some of these Republicans. Let alone a national political concern if they're taking on the president probably not an accident. The Texas democrat Joaquin Castro was the one who suggested this the house and also an interesting moment in that the Senate as I understand the rules Hoste take this up for consideration. That is the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell can't sort of stuff this in an vest pocket somewhere. They send it actually has to. A vote on this enforcing a lot of folks to cast a vote one way or another. They might not want to do Jack Beatty. I wanna turn my eyes for the rest of this segment to another story that in other times might almost set Washington aflame, it is a scandal. That has started to really encircle the labor secretary Alexander Acosta over a case some years ago when he was the top federal attorney down in Miami involves a billionaire involves a billionaire convicted of sex crimes, he's a sex offender and the way in which a cost to address that tell us the latest developments Jack in what's happening there. Well, a a federal judge has ruled that the that Mr. Kosta when he was US attorney in Miami violated the law by not disclosing to the victims as law requires the settlement the plea agreement. He had reached with this billionaire and the plea agreement allowed the billionaire to plead to minor a relatively minor prostitution charges state crimes and he avoided the sex trafficking charge under under federal law. And this was a case of a deal worked out by the the gilded attorneys. Alan Dershowitz, Ken, Starr, and others for the billionaire. Epstein Jeffrey, and you know, it it bore out it bore out king Lear's. Comment. He said plate sin with gold, and the strong Lance of Justice hurtling breaks, it it did it did hurt. Let's break a against Mr. Epstein. And now all this is going to be is is going to be what we're going to hear more about it. The Miami Herald to its great credit has been doing stories about this now for a couple of months, and they have documented a shocking situation of I think over one hundred young girls who were affectively traffic through this man's harem. And and and instead of going away for life as those charges would seem to warrant he got a risk slap. He spent a year in a the Palm Beach Hilton or whatever they wanna call their little prison, and he was allowed to go back and forth on his business. And so on it's a scandal of proportions, can you Gibson? You know, it's interesting Jeffrey Epstein. Something of a social friend of former President Bill Clinton something social down in Florida of current president. Donald Trump a billionaire with a lot of friends in a lot of high places able to escape the kind of sentencing that people convicted a far lesser sex offenses faces a consequence what kind of repercussions is a secretary Kosta going to face in Washington. As now, a judge not only is there a scandal attach this but judges found he violated the law. You know, that Trump cabinet has been so plagued by scandal. And accustomed was one who had seemed to stay out of the fray this now from his previous job coming back to him. I think that what we're seeing in a case like this in sort of the fermenting anger in a case. Like, this speaks to more national sentiment about the rich have different rules, the rich pay different taxes, the rich live by different guidelines that Justice. Does not look the same for the poor and the rich. And I think it is a reminder that people in Washington even some who have begun become quite successful by playing to the issues of the masses by saying that they are not part of the billionaires are still part of a system that people think is injuring those who aren't billionaires those who can't pay their way out of really terrible sex crime convictions. I think that for cost of the individual harm might not be as terrible as some people would want it. It might be minimized by the fact that they will say that a prosecutor was doing his job. It might be worse. We will we will see. But I think that it will inevitably further the discussion we're having a nation about how we treat people who are very wealthy compared to how we treat people who are very poor. That'll keep you have. Very less than a minute about thirty seconds left. But you know, it's interesting other scandals this week afflicting the cabinet as well. Going almost unnoticed a Betsy DeVos herself seeming gazillion era, having her own scandals and Wilbur Ross having to acknowledge he failed to disclose things that led to the office of government ethics to simply reject his his financial disclosure statements this week, which would normally be pretty significant. Yeah. Remember when the president said he was going to drain the swamp. It's been a pretty swampy week certainly for his cabinet, and I just tallied up there in HHS secretaries already gone. The directors out the interior secretary has left the G all left under scandal past isn't necessarily free of this. We'll see what happens and the guy at the center of it in the Oval Office. Also, very wary about the attention being swung to him. We're talking about our week's biggest stories Michael Cohen is set to talk Washington now on edge over the prospect that special prosecutor Robert Muller may be wrapping his investigation up. 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What do you make of what you've learned to the Muller investigation? Where do you want a questions to go? If he's wrap things up, and where do you think they should go follow us on Twitter and find us on Facebook at on point radio? I'm talking with Reuters, national political correspondent ginger Gibson CBS news, political correspondent Eto O'Keefe. And on point news analyst Jack Beatty on Wednesday reporters asked President Trump if the Muller reports should be released while he is broad next week. Trump said that decisions going to be up to the new sheriff in town. That's his new attorney general William bar. That'll be totally up to the new attorney general. He's a tremendous manage amid is. Person who really respects this country and respects the Justice department. So that'll be totally up to him attorney. The new attorney general's. Ed O'Keefe attorney general bar is not been utterly agnostic about the president's rights and ability to do things like fire of various law enforcement officials who worked for him. What what are the choices facing bar right now? And what do they mean for us sensually he has to report the congress that the report is completed, but what exactly he tells them is is up for debate? And so there is a there is statute that essentially requires that he informed congress of a special counsel's completion. But other than that it's up to the attorney general to determine what may be released publicly, and what would be in the public interest. And so I think you're going to end up seeing if he doesn't release everything a fight between him and Democrats at least in the house over you know, what was the scope who did they look into? Why didn't they decide to press charges or pursue further investigation over? Certain avenues of investigation or certain people. And part of the reason that it can't necessarily be released. Of course, just because just because somebody was looked into and investigators determined that there was no potential prosecutorial material. There doesn't mean that the public's snow that happened. You know, it's a due process issue in other words, and so what has been a pretty thorough legal investigation as best. We can tell from the outside. Not knowing all the details will very quickly likely become a huge political battle. And you know, part of that is because Democrats wanted to Termine is there enough material to potentially proceed with impeachment. If not they're going to have to do their own investigation. And it will of course, be tainted by accusations of politics as the congressional Russia investigations have been and they're kinda hoping that the gold standard Muller probe becomes public. So that they can cite that instead of having to you know, do their own investigation, which will mediate be painted as partisan. I'd like to take a call now from Richmond Virginia, Phil tell us what your questions are about this. Right. Yes. I've been listening to the radio listening to some of the democratic folks that have been on talk shows hit. There is no information ended Mullah report that intention being the president or leads what teach procedure where this is a two year investigation finds that. There's nothing wrong. There's no smoking gun. Another should not this and this process investigation be ended and not be followed up by continued investigations after the Democrats have been saying, this is invaluable investigation and should be relied upon and that they have this full. Backing why would they then continue if this report comes out and says that there is no smoking gun. There's nothing they're feel good question. Let me let me turn to turn to. I just want to ask Phil quickly. If you if you're still on the line, you're setting the bar, then at no smoking gun against the president. Am I understand that? Right. That's correct. All right. Thanks for your call. Phil. I'm going to let let me late. Ed you dip in. And then I want to hear what ginger has to say, right? Well, I think you know, that's one standard. And and the question that Democrats will have if they can't see everything is well, what did Muller look at. So that we understand if we decide to go forward what we potentially don't have to look at or should look at. And that's you know, it's going to become a process argument, and it's going to continue but fill your point is valid, and it is one that has been expressed by Democrats. Remember, all those Democrats got elected last November in swing districts, essentially told that line, which is will wait and see what Muller decides. Well, what if there is no smoking gun? What if nothing directly implicates the president does that mean, congress shouldn't pursue it? Or do they perhaps just focus on the others who might have been found to be guilty of something or are being investigated? And that is a question that they know they're going to have to answer and no could have serious political ramifications within their party and with everybody else across the country. Ginger gibson. It strikes me in some ways. Democrats would be delighted to outsource some of the toughest findings to the special counsel. But if that is not forthcoming whether the Robert Muller's team didn't find it. He didn't push his findings to their their farthest conclusions or that the attorney general simply didn't share publicly all of that is their appetite for the Democrats to pursue some of these things on their own from these various committees that have jurisdiction oversight of some of the subjects that have been raised in the Democrats that I talked to to have an appetite the line has been wait and see what Muller says, I mean, I think Democrats Ed talked about sort of the scenario where Muller says, I found all these things, but it didn't warrant a crime. There's another possibility where Muller says not all these things it warranted a crime. But for other reasons, I couldn't prosecute mainly a debate about whether or not you could indicted sitting president that sort of the best case. Scenario and Democrats is read that Muller says, I couldn't indict them. But I think it should have been a crime. Anyway, here's all the evidence. And then they'd give it to the Democrats to us in their process. I think that they would love to see that happen. I don't know that that will happen in any way. But there is going to be a lot of questions from Democrats about what they have not been privy to. We also have to remember that grand jury testimony is secret. They can't just go get all of the transcripts from the grand jury and say, well, what did everyone tell the grand jury when Muller brought them in front of the grand jury. They will likely have to repeat a lot of that testimony. They are engaging in the process of repeating a lot of that testimony to build their own investigatory file, I'm, you know, the question of a smoking gun is a standard that we've created an American politics and not in the American legal system. No court ever asked. The jury to weigh whether or not there is a smoking gun, but we the public and the press are often asked to weigh whether or not there is a smoking gun. It is a different standard. And then when you talk to Democrats about what an impeachment process is often very quick to point out, but it is not a legal process. It is a political process. And so what does that definition that Phil would use might be different definition than somebody else in Richmond or in Dubuque or in Los Angeles. I mean, it's just a very difficult standard for congress to measure. And that's what they're going to be potassium doing Jack Beatty. We've been talking a lot about the Trump stuff in recent weeks and months God knows and particularly the foreign country that comes up the most is Russia and the Russian ties, but that's not the only country for which there questions and for which there ties earlier this week national Security Council blowers told the house oversight committee about former national security adviser, Michael Flynn's plans to transfer. Sensitive US nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, Illinois, democratic congressman Rosina. Christopher Murphy serves on the oversight committee. He spoke to MSNBC about this on Tuesday surprise surprise. Michael Flynn was working for a company that stood to gain billions of dollars. If this transfer of sensitive nuclear technology occurred with Saudi Arabia, and and then he turned around as national security adviser and lobbied to get that transfer through. And it turns out everybody seemed to be literally in with Flynn on this particular deal. Check beady help us understand this who was literally in you know, stood to gain from Saudi Arabia deal. And how you remind us of some of the ties between the president and his circle with the Saudis. Well, who stood who stood the gain? Here's a headline from today's independent. Trump administration pushing Saudi nuclear deal, which could benefit company linked to Jared, Kushner, you you through the house report, which is really sort of gleaning from whistle blowers. That have been given a held in testimony. I get which hasn't been public yet before the committee, and they they document a sustained effort right from the just before the inauguration forward to up to including last week to arrange to transfer nuclear material to Saudi Arabia. So that Saudi Arabia could build nuclear power plants and right at the center of this. There is a a one of the companies that could benefit from this is western electric, which is it's actually a. In bankruptcy now. But it's a subsidiary of a company which struck a deal last August to bail out Kushner's six six six Fifth Avenue tower, essentially to this was a white elephant that in the mR Kushner purchased at the at the wrong time and has been hanging fire and draining capital. Well, long came Brookefield asset management and and made that got a ninety nine year lease they paid in advance. And you know, you could look at this and say, well, let's see now western electric would help build some of those plants that would could could that be a quid pro quo for for for helping out Penton, bailout, mR, Kushner, you know, we learned from the financial times today that in the Gulf. They joy they joke about the. Crown prince. We know who he is Saudi Arabia end, the clown prints that would be the tall thin empty suit. Yes. Mr. Mr. Kushner who who has a deft record of disastrous decisions, which he has. From from politics fire James Komi to to national security, and by the way, he's been the president's cheap chief adviser on the Middle East. He still deeply connected to the Saudi Crown prince, they they exchange WhatsApp messages all the time. And you know, someone that Fanshawe time says that atoms for peace used to be the nuclear slogan for US diplomacy in the fifties. Now, it looks like atoms for bailout, and they say Trump's blue collar voter is taken as the face of American populism that may be so it's chief poodle credit benefit, Sherry is surely mR Kushner. Ginger Kitson how seriously. Do these troubles effect at the way in which Kushner is viewed in Washington and the way in which he retains influence on Capitol Hill in the administration Kushner had been having a pretty good stretch. He was given a lot of credit both on Capitol Hill and in the White House for passing the criminal Justice reform Bill he was a little off his off his Mark during the shutdown. There was some criticism of that he politically miscalculated that process. This does not help him. It does not help him work with lawmakers. It's certainly is not going to help him work with lawmakers across the aisle, and it is going to revive discussions about whether the trumps are in this for their own pocket books. I mean, we can go back to the beginning of this discussion about what kind of investigations the hill would want to be embarking on. I think the question of emoluments the question of. Personal enrichment that is something congressional Democrats are much more interested in pursuing and this will feed that they also know that if they go after an and I use it turned broadly. But if they target Kushner or Vonk or Eric junior, we're Donald junior or Eric that they're going to get it the president that they're going to really poke it him without having to maybe deal with the some of the political fallout that his his supporters see from from directly attacking him. I want to turn now to the tar heel state yesterday in North Carolina and election board declared there would have to be a new election for a contested congressional race for house representatives investigators say Leslie McCray. Dallas a local operative for the Republican candidate Mark Harris had tampered with absentee balanced ballots to skew the election in Harris's favor yesterday Harris himself took the stand saying neither he nor any of the leadership in his campaign were aware of or condoned the activities describing this week's hearing through the testimony of listened to over the past three days. I believe in you election should be called is become clear to me that the public's confidence in my district. See general election has been undermined to an extent that in you election wanted now Eto kief the candidates among the people testifying against the candidate in some ways was his own son. Who I believe to be an attorney at the Justice. Department. How serious are these allegations at O'Keefe, and what did they tell us about the state of what fraud is really about? When it comes to American elections. Well, there there was there was smoke on this at the beginning of the week going back a previous conversation. And by the end of it there there appeared to be some fire in that the son of Mark Harris who yes is a young assistant US attorney in North Carolina testified that he had warned his father about this campaign operative, and that there was evidence that suggested he was sort of shady character and one that shouldn't be employed by his father's campaign, and he said to his father at one point both telephone and Email conversations the test of this should be would you want to hear about this on the TV news? And of course, that's where it ended up and look where it's led Anderson. Accomplish exactly. So the sun seem to understand what was coming in the father also at some point during the testimony yesterday, kind of dismissed his son is an arrogant guy and say well there goes Father's Day for these two and. You know, it it essentially led to Harris omitting later in the day that there should be a new election. And I think just the evidence whether it was of real legal challenge, but certainly political challenge Harris realized this got cut and run and get out of this. And there's no indication just yet. Whether Harris will be part of a new election. But given what's transpired in the last few days. It would seem that he's probably to politically damaged to really pursue a reputable, it would have problems hiring staff raising money and eventually winning Republican support for the seat. This is a district that runs along the southern edge of North Carolina underboard with South Carolina, and there's a potential North Carolina for another special election later this year because a congressman from the eastern coast. Walter Jones died just in the last ten days or so so the tar heel state might actually have to special congressional elections at some point later this year. Neither would tip the scales of the balance of power in the house. But certainly if Democrats can can run reputable campaigns, they'd like to win that seat that Marquette was running and the democrat only lost by few hundred votes ginger Gibson Gibson ferry briefly compared to this the the claims that actually there by Republicans. There have been actual voter fraud rather than this kind of fraud occurring. It's right. You know, Republicans are. Are often saying there's there's ballot stuffing people voting twice. We heard the president suggests as many times, this is highly unusual to have a new election called because of voter fraud and not the kind of own of fraud that they've been talking about the denial rather than the the ballot stuffing. Exactly, so ginger Gibson Eto, keep Jack Beatty. Stick around we want you to stick around. We want you to join our conversation about the stories of this past week. 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Reuters national political correspondent ginger Gibson and are on point news analyst, Jack Beatty, let's start with a familiar voice and face during his interview with CBS this morning on Tuesday the day he announced his twenty twenty presidential run. For Mont Senator Bernie Sanders talked about what's changed since the last time he sought the democratic nomination back in two thousand sixteen. Medicare role raising the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour making public colleges and universities tuition free spending. At least the trillion dollars rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. Criminal Justice reform, all of those is the people's oh Bernie there, so radical they are extremely American people just won't accept those ideas. Well, you know, what's happening over three years all of those ideas and many more now part of the political mainstream. And a majority of the American people now support them. A lot of callers have a lot of thoughts on this. Grayson calling from Winston Salem, North Carolina. What do you think about Sanders back in the race? Yes. I'm personally thrilled. I think he's absolutely going to win. I have the sheepishly admit that. I'm I'm part of the problem. I'm twenty six years old. So I voted for Bernie in the primary, and then I graduated from college and moved back home and didn't reregister. So I did not vote and the general, and I do not think that it's going to happen again. I think people in my age demographic have, you know, in the age of Trump, we've really woken up to the importance of everybody voting. I think we're gonna see much higher turnout and Abilene I heard in the clip that you just played that Bernie with talking about how is ideas that were discredited so extreme, and, you know, socialism being this dirty word are being echoed by large. All everybody that's running in the Democratic Party. And so I think Bernie is the front runner. I think you're going to win. Democratic nomination. And I think he's going to win the general election at would you have been okay. A Grayson had Hillary Clinton persevered in two thousand sixteen. I absolutely. I mean, you know, I wasn't. I didn't feel the burn for Hillary like Bernie, but Luli would've been a much better president. I mean, she's presidential. And I don't think you can say that about Donald Trump. And I think where I think we're about due to have a woman president. And I don't think you know, he was the best option for that. You know? And I'm, you know, excited to hear runners like Kamala Harris, and every and everything, but I don't think she has the excitement around her that Bernie does. I mean, huge numbers were filling the burn. I'm certainly still feeling the burn. All right. Well, I going for anything from today's program. It will be the words feel and burn. Grayson. From Winston Salem, North Carolina. Thank you so much for calling Jack Beatty. What about it is is Bernie Sanders? Right. Has the nation. Move more toward what he was talking about. In two thousand sixteen is he going to be the best person to carry the banner for Democrats over particularly progressive stripe. Well, he certainly, right. His ideas have caught on and they're more mainstream. At least as headline ideas. However now may be the moment when his ideas, come under some intellectual pressure. I would refer people to an article in vox, which is hardly a right wing publication. That uses urban institute Amer unit all sorts of open. Studies of what that Sanders plan would cost Congressional Budget Office estimates the like and to me what leaps out at this is two things. One the hardest hit imagine Bernie's Navonna is cheap. We all we have Medicare single payer. We're all paying less intact. Ses remains to be seen than we ever did in premiums. We're ahead of the game who would lose under that situation. The hardest hit I'm. Quoting from the study would be the seventy seven million Medicaid recipients who currently pay no health insurance premiums, and thus would not receive any insurance premium windfall to help pay for their steep, new taxes, take that on board for a minute. So the peach at Chiang this when I'm sorry. Go ahead. I just wanna be clear what you're saying. Is that is that basically, the the people who are at the bottom end of the tier would be would be paying more in taxes under this plan as as vox plots it out, even as they would get no benefits while middle-class people up higher would be getting better benefit is that right? Precisely that's the world not of Eugene Debs. But of Paul Ryan and an rand it's it's a violation. If you will of John Rawls difference principle. John Rawls the great philosophy of Justice. He says that inequalities. In policy like this or inequalities that the state will bring about a permissible only if they benefit the least advantage. This would have just the opposite effect. It would hurt. The least advantage women people in nursing homes single mothers with all sorts of issues of their own. And then the question of the steep new taxes. Well, the estimates are that to pay for the forty two thirty four trillion dollars over a decade. We would have to take a European VAT value added tax at a rate of eighty seven percent to pay for this or we could essentially take one hundred percent of corporate profits that would do it or payroll taxes. The most regressive form of taxation. They would go to as high as thirty seven percent to pay for this really unequal and John Rawls is correct unjust. Socialist nirvana. We've got a call now from defiance Ohio, and I kinda love saying that allowed on the air defiance, Ohio, Katrina, thanks for calling. What do you make all this? I see is like Bernie Sanders, but I think it was visible Orne is a better messengers for the memory. I think that you know can studied team. He was part of the reason why we have consumer protection bureau. I think that they should work together to elect was born. And in that Bernie Sanders, I think it's time for him the Google, and he can be a cheerleader. But that out I I don't want him. Okay. To train a thank you for that ginger Gibson. You know, Elizabeth Warren has as probably it seemed as though she was preparing for his towns for Bernie Sanders announcement because my goodness she's taken a number of significant left of center positions in recent days to position herself as the appealing candidate for more progressive voters in the democratic party's what about Elizabeth Warren Senator an activist who as as the caller rightly points out engendered, some financial oversight reforms under the Obama administration a law. Professor, what do you make of that? That's a correct Warren has taken a number of of sort of more liberal positions. Backing yesterday reparations for descendants of slaves. Look Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders occupied much of the same lane. And they are going to be vying for the supporters in that lane. A an electoral who backed Bernie Sanders in two thousand sixteen. Told me last last week that she thinks that Bernie Sanders is the most divisive figure and the Democratic Party right now, he Stokes more raw and heated emotions than anybody else who could or is running for president. And that is where we're seeing play out with a Bernie supporters becoming very irate about Elizabeth Warren or what they see as a as a slate vials of Warren, and it concern within the Democratic Party that that very quick retreat in into the bunker to start fighting is going to make the party's primary process. Get nasty really quick we see that sort of starting to play out a little bit on the internet. It'll be interesting to see that starts to play out on cable news television. But there's a real fight starting to brew. And it is not surprising. Bernie Sanders would be at the start of it from the beginning. But he is he's definitely going to have that biting Elizabeth Warren is going to be potentially the candidate to bring it to him. Mm Bernie Sanders really didn't get into policy didn't work on bills as a lawmaker talked about policy but didn't really demonstrate in his time in the Senate a lot of depth on that policy. Elizabeth Warren has sought to do the opposite. Sponsored lots of bills tried to pass things that were both ideological and in an effort for some bipartisanship. So she's going to be holding up a bunch of bills that she's sponsored and passing gut signed. It's going to be a real fight between the two of them. I think in the in the near future. I want to turn to close out the hour to a couple of stories that you know, our shocking in different ways, but do deal in some ways with questions of racing identity yesterday, the actor Jesse at Turnham self into face charges of disorderly conduct for filing a false police report in an allegedly staged violent attack in a hate crime. Chicago police superintendent Eddie Johnson said he's angered and offended by what he described. As a publicity stunt jussie. Smollet took advantage of the pain and anger of racism to promote his career. I'm left hanging. My head and asking why? Why would anyone especially an African American man? Use the symbolism of noose to make false accusations Molet stands accused which of ranging with a pair of brothers that he knew from the production of staging a attack on him that was homophobic and racist smell that is both in African American actor and gay and for doing this to promote his career to ensure that he has a high enough profile word is just in from the producers of empire that they are placing their trust in the legal system. Having previously backed smell it publicly but saying that his role in the show will be removed from the final two episodes of the season of empire to avoid further disruption on the set it'll keep it seemed to me as though this case became a template for political debate. And something of a political football at the same time that people invoke this as a sign of when they believe. Similar accusations of the racial strife that we're experiencing currently, particularly in the Trump moment, I believe there was a invocation of Maga. Somehow during the attack and also on the conservative side of the idea that that all claims of being targeted for attack is just an attempt to wrap yourself in victimhood. Yeah. I, you know, I just I think it what it is the reaction to this in a lot of ways is another example of people tweeting I and cleaning it up later, whether it was this incident. Whether it was the incident with those Kentucky highschoolers here in Washington if you weeks ago, confronting native American activists at the Lincoln Memorial. I think everyone just kind of needs to calm down, and you know, just take a breath. Wait and see before you start calling things things that they aren't. And it's it's just a good reminder that that in the fast paced, certainly media age doesn't mean that the legal system and everything else is speeding up to the same degree. And it doesn't hurt to perhaps just take a breath and see where things go. I I actually, you know, I think there are a lot of people probably took the. Producers of empire so long, but you know, to their credit, they waited and and saw and they now see that they're that they're actors being charged with a crime and therefore feel the need to remove him from from the show. And you know, they clearly were weighing all the other concerns. The fact that at first blush this look like a potentially racist homophobic attack against one of their own cast members. But as was clearly laid out over the last two weeks, that's not necessarily what law enforcement says it was. And so now, they are taking the step of removing him from the show instead of having done it, you know, last week when it's still is unclear whether he had been attacked or whether he had staged it. And I think it's a good example of weight, we just gotta wait and see sometimes and certainly some presidential candidates. Learn that in the last few weeks, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris among them who very quickly labeled this true a modern day lynching, which clearly at least, according to law enforcement was not wanna take briefly a call from hot. He would Florida about this topic. Alison, go ahead. You're on your your thoughts. Hi, thank you. I've been following the story from the very beginning. It came out. I'm an African mixed race woman. And I knew from the minute the story came out. It's just did not ring. Right. You know, the truth wasn't there. But as I've watched the story unfolded is very very painful, very painful. I can't even put toward the scene. A lot of people put into words, including the cheap Brinton in Chicago. The, you know, the prosecutor, but it doesn't it doesn't do Justice. But one of the things that I'd like to take a comment off the air is why have no one raising the mental aptitude of this person to do something like that. I mean, whether it narcissism, you know, really serious psychosis. It really I no one has mentioned that. And you know, I hope I hope he I hope the law comes down on him. If he was found to to do it, which I believe he has. But I'd like to see what you know, what makes a person do this. That's that's living in the different. Psychological world altogether. I'll take comments up the thank you. Well, and thank you for that. And maybe speaking to ED's point before we have proof of of mental impairment or mental illness. Probably want some evidence to do that before we go off the air in our last minute. I wanted to acknowledge the arrest of a US Coast Guard Lieutenant who's a self identified white nationalist that federal prosecutors say had a cache of weapons ammunition, Maryland, home and intended to launch a widespread domestic terrorist attack. That's not the criminal charges. He's facing yet. He wanted to establish according to prosecutors white homeland he has not yet responded to these accusations ginger Gibson. You know, it does seem as though in about forty five seconds. We have left that there has been an uptick of reports about certain kinds of hate crimes and of the the rise of white supremacist tracked by both federal authorities and certain kinds of hate watch. How serious is that this is serious? And this is the kind of thing that we should not be distracted from because we're talking. About where our immersed in a in a false allegation. This is a real threat. This was a real threat to politicians to members of the media. A reminder that the job we do is not always safe as it may seem and something that we should be taking very seriously going forward. Appreciate that. You've just heard the words, they're ginger Gibson. She's national political correspond for Reuters. Thanks so much for joining us. We've also been gaining from the site of Eto kief political correspondent for CBS news. Appreciate yet. Thank you. And of course, our own on point news analyst, Jack Beatty. Always a pleasure to have you. With us have a great weekend. Thank you. You can continue our conversation. Get the point podcast or website on point radio dot, Oregon. Follow us on Twitter and Facebook at on point radio on point is produced by NFL just in down Brian Hartson ski Lena modest final cuts on his Alison poli James Ross out Schroeder add Waller help from Matt hoesch a seal key and Alex Pena or executive producers. Karen Shiffman me, I'm David Folkenflik. Thanks for listening. This is on point.

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