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NLU Podcast, Episode 300: Ryder Cup Draft - 12 Captain's Picks!

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NLU Podcast, Episode 300: Ryder Cup Draft - 12 Captain's Picks!

"Beater right club today. Yes that's better than most about. It is better than most fatter than most before we get rolling here as I I'm about to take into the cleaners. Drafting our twenty twenty eight Ryder Cup teams. We started our last episode with some Trivia. Courtesy of our friends callaway. That was fun. Let's do it again here. We go. What is the only Masters Round in the last twenty five years? Where player hit all eighteen. Greens in regulation. Who did that cannot the hurry. I'm not gonNA wait much longer. The answer is Jim Furic. In the first round in two thousand and nine you can actually watch him as well on our latest edition of. Wow World of golf. That if you're listening to this podcast live on our youtube channel. And if you'd like Golf Trivia like this Calloway has got something fun for you on Friday April tenth at five thirty PM Eastern. They're partnering with Fan. Beat to put on a ten minute. Live Golf Trivia game. You can play on your phone. Your tablet or computer. I believe it's exactly like the. Hq The old. I the H. Q. Trivia Games I stopped playing those but a lot of people love playing those for a long period of time. It's the maverick majors. Trivia Challenge and there's prizes on the line like a maverick driver jaws wedge chrome soft golf balls and many more so get on a spot quickly. The game is going live Friday April Tenth Five thirty. Pm Eastern time and to answer the first question in advance go to callaway golf dot com slash fan beat that's fan beat FA N. B. E. A. T. Keli Goff dot com slash fan. Beat to be ready for the ten minute live gave happening Friday April Tenth Five thirty. Pm Eastern. Let's get to the pod. Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no laying a podcast another special edition if you will. Which if every episode special edition is any episode Special Edition? It's a great point. It's a question but I think this is special. This has never been done before. Extreme circumstances Sala here of course My opponent today Mr Trump card welcome opponent but in these in these trying circumstances also friend. Samuel Ryder would've loved that statement. That's the intent of Of this competition and we you know things are GonNa get probably a bit hostile. Today we brought in a mediator for today's conversation which is of course none other than Mr j Pie. Hey guys glad to be here Excited to take some concrete steps towards maybe solidifying a little bit of a brighter future here. Ej Thanks for thanks for stepping in and Appreciate all you do for the game. Yeah absolutely thanks. Takes us to keep a fair fair. Keep affair well. Why don't you tell us about what we're doing? Well guys. It's a fluid situation as I think we've I think we've discussed. The world is in a fluid situation right now. The Biennial Ryder Cup matches are currently scheduled for Friday September. Twenty fifth to Sunday September twenty seven to fluid situation. Do we think the world is going to be back to a recognizable state by then. Hopefully yes but the qualifying process is GonNa be completely upended. We've lost we've lost it. It was on the edge was going on the edge. But that's another another topic and we've lost it so what we're GONNA DO. Today is in the spirit of really staging the Best Hypothetical Tournament. That we can stage is to pick twelve captain's picks. I think that's I've been writing hard for this idea trying to know you've been writing hard for sally. I forget where you stand on this idea for pro. This idea of the idea of a point system should could potentially add a player that you wouldn't want on your team needs to go out the window. It's not good and the the point system is also terrible so that the combination of those things yeah timeframe and it's so dumb some tournaments count. Some don't majors or somehow worth double if you win it and already almost get double the money if you win so basically win a major. You're on the team. Shot Jimmy Walker Twenty sixteen. It's bad it's really bad. I don't know how much time you want to spend on this. But the idea that an captains default to this all right well ninth on the list. I gotTa Take Him Gosh. She's seventh in the world and ninth. Actually they didn't Sixteenth bubble which was sick but they they just go default to like well. He's got the the the next most points. Let's take him and it's so dumb. I've got them right where I wanted very throwing hashes team under the bus. No I'm motivating them. It's a tactic so so to underscore the point a little bit with so many tournaments being thrown out with so many tournaments being thrown up in the air the qualifying process no matter what happens. Let's say everything stays put with the Ryder Cup and everything goes on normal? The qualifying process is just not going to be what we've seen in the past so you'd fill me in on how realistic there is but there. There's a possible chance that we could be seeing. Just twelve captain's picks to to fill out this match in the fall and for the sake of this episode. We're going to treat that as if it's news. It is official. We are the twenty twenty. Ryder Cup will be. Played with nothing but captain's picks okay since neither captain was available to make their picks and locked him in on April first. I decided to go with the next best thing which is to reach out to representative consider area from each side for the Americans. Choosing for the American team will be Mr Chris. Solomon Solly congratulations your captaincy. We're GONNA get to This big moment just one second. I introduce the guy on the end or the other end of the day is here. You know him. As Turncoat Tron Trust Fund drawn a lot of nasty names. That American fans have come up for for this guy but Europe. He's he's huge. He does a ton to support the game over there in Europe. Tron Tron. Welcome to to this morning's proceedings thanks aged I You know I've been called worse on twitter after I butchered the US national anthem the other night on on Torres season finale of season five so glad to be here. I'm sure you and your and your wife and your young son would have knocked at the Swedish national anthem with no with no problems I will. I will offer that my both. My wife and my son have Swedish citizenship. So that gives obviously gives. Try to pass for not knowing the same speed. The Star spangled banner. The Stars and Stripes start over to our American captain sully sully. What does the Ryder Cup mean to you? Well you know as the Ryder Cup captain. Here I will be spending the next two years speaking nothing but platitudes saying absolutely nothing of importance for you know considerable time to come. I will say the word experience about thirty eight times. Even though there's absolutely nothing statistical that supports the fact that the non fact that experienced matters in this event or that experience as well so that's pretty much. The runner show. I have nothing but the utmost respect for my competitor. You know we've had many days dueling On the golf course and now we go to dual Ryder Cup. Which is a dream. Come true I you know looking ahead to captaincies. Kind of had a feeling that we will be lined up and What better way to kick off twenty twenty then to go because my good friend John Carter area very cool. Saw Of course these matches will be played in Sheboygan slash color slash haven slash outside Milwaukee Wisconsin. You know as someone who's been to Wisconsin. This must be huge for you. Well who packer fans here tonight? Come on here. Yeah thank you. Yeah the whole crowd's here. Yes thank you guys. Thank you please please. Let's get to the show. You know the people. Wisconsin dude was passionate sports fan. Of course you know. The University of Wisconsin just Just down the road and man they have some great golf courses if there to bring this event to bring the world really to Wisconsin You know I used to live in adjacent state in Illinois so you know how much Wisconsin means to me of course and for some reason being from that general region means that you're a great leader to go and take a rider we can't we can't wait to see what happens and Tron on the flip side of that you know obviously a a links master in your own right Season tour sauce. Champion played a lot of links. Golf of season four as well season. Four as well thank you. You know clearly just a very links style golf. Course we're GONNA see. Hear it whistling straights. Talk to me about how this this must hearken back to your many many many many many many trips overseas listen for sure on at least on the surface it does pretty sticky grass up. There doesn't really play like a links it's like a fake links it would be one of the captives came out. Was like yeah. Listen that's bullshit man. That's not true. That's not how this goes well. The the Straits courses not linked but the Irish course up. There is an Irish course. All right so I would like to point out though that September late September in Wisconsin on the shores of Lake Michigan correct correct. Is You know if you go to see the lack of confidence. All bets are off. There's a lot of a lot of variables that can be added with with the weather. Which you know. I think we all know that the US team they're not mutters. Sure we're not talking about you. Know a beautiful course on the shores of the Red Sea. Of course taking say he is that sort of thing so actually kind of breathtaking views. It's Awesome Yeah. Do Talk Seriously. About whistling straights cloudy. Are they really breathtaking views? Let's let's okay. I'm I'm moderating so I'm gonNA. I'm gonNA steered in this direction. Let's talk about whistling straights? Because we're going to pick two hypothetical teams here and I WANNA know how factors into your decision solid. We had a chance to go there about six months ago as a bit of a scouting trip for videos that will roll out at some point when the world be returned to normalcy. Which I think is bullshit that you guys were able to go on a scouting trip and it's open to the public trial and you can go anytime you like what you see from the golf course and And how did that? Impact your team selection. I would say you know. I wish I would love a little more. Say in the destinations we choose. I think it's a okay. Good Golf Course for my team. I think there's others that would fit better. You know. I think the steps that the Europeans took in two thousand eighteen towards core setup design and selection I would have would have encouraged me to steer even more the other way you WANNA set up like a pro and those are your words. Says we're definitely your words I think if the weather is an element The match I think it's going to be very similar to I would say Pete Dye Golf course that is very difficult and that can favor the Europeans as easy as we could potentially set it up. I don't WanNa give too much away and kind of what we're thinking with the set up you know it can. We can try to shift that more towards our advantage. For some reason that's allowed in this event. I still do not understand why the NBA coaches got to set like weird behind the B- behind the backboard you get put the hoops at different heights or something solid. Once everybody got trophy team trophy. I do want everyone on my team trophy. That's kind of the idea of this competition. I think so philosophy different of that first of all. There's only one trophy situation. Yeah and IT'S A it's a cup right not but you know but also yeah like shit should be hard you know the margin should be thinned. I'm okay with hard. I think neutralizing and squeezing the life out of the excitement of an event is going too far the opposite direction. Do we think it's going to be hard no? I don't think it'd be hard. It's hard for a twenty handicap. I think if you've played back and if the wind blows the wind it'll be tough. That's the the big factor. I think I mean these. These Greens are difficult to come into when there's wind elements to it and the because you can't there's no there's not really options in you know to turn the series hat on for a second just like slap anyone that calls it a links because these. Greens don't present you. An opportunity to approach them with run-up shots in a lot of situations. So it is going to be more of an aerial game. A lot of golf courses That true links courses are almost always based on how the wind plays going to give you a ability to run a shot up if you're downwind And that's just not the case here so if the if the wind doesn't blow I mean Shit at the two thousand fifteen. Pj Shut Twenty under on this golf course like it. It doesn't have to be difficult. There's a lot a lot a lot of flexibility on the cap inside in determining that so right. There's WE GONNA get to that. Yeah we gonNA talk about setup more here. We're tired but what. I'm GonNa do what you know. This is unprecedented variety. Yeah cut down all the all the native. Listen to that I would say what native already gone. It's been destroyed you know. There's not a ton of native grass out there. You can hit kind of almost wherever you wanted to off the team to to an extent. Yeah I get it. But that's where hit. It's not you're not hitting that's the reason why scores or so the the this golf course free twenty handicap is a complete nightmare. Because if your top and balls if you're if you're spraying away right you're in very very thick grass where pros hit that. Thick grass does not come into play especially the for a match play them. It's not much determines. The fairways are plenty wide out. There we're going to keep it that way. We are going to be flexing tease quite a bit. Depending on the wind situations you know my goal is to put you know. I think rory maybe Rom. They're kind of in a different category when it comes to link but you look at my lineup Situations where you know maybe potentially more of my guys have abilities to cover. Bunkers in the Europeans do is going to be kind of where we're looking to gain some of those margins so there's a lot of charting going on we're gonNA get real creative. We might you know we might be playing from the red tees one of the holes we might be paying for on on it from a t on another whole. There's no rule against that. I never thought about across country. We've considered ideas where you know like you play. Maybe even like a par-five we might make. A park turned into a par three one day. You know the Secret. T- that we won't tell the Europeans about I took what happened. Two thousand eighteen very personal and this is going to be my revenge setting up holes where you're forced to play it off of a hospitality tent. Sure absolutely very comfortable doing absolutely. There's going to be you. You'll have to really look to see it but like targets will be added above hospitality tents. That's the only way to get to a certain pin is by banking it off. I mean I learned that some of this from polly's Zinger. You know we talked about it. Of course set up in the two thousand eight Ryder Cup and you know. He watched that Europeans in practice rounds. And they're putting to all the corners of the Greens. You know any turn gets to his assistant or someone just says. Put The pin right there right there. Put it right there right in the center of the Green. So these guys give me so nervous. They can't spit. Let me just say from an outsider. Viewpoint it's very fresh and see a captain taking it so seriously finally and put it in this kind of thought into it. Thank you I forget who wasn't on the POD Somewhat recently and maybe even what Zinger but when asked about captaincy or setup or any of this need using breakfast I forget but he he asked somebody in the PJ of America. Does it matter to you if we win? And the guy like someone offended like of course it matters okay. Well you wouldn't do things the way that you're currently like the ceremonious Captain Feng and just all the dump stuff that goes into it like you wouldn't do that if you if you only cared about winning right so we're going to cut some ref out. Well speaking of winning. I know you know a massive part of any of these wins and losses is the assistant captains. That are in In the team room the ask that are that are driving the carts that are everybody's wearing the same belts. How many do I guess I haven't care have as many as you want? Cool everyone sick. Let's play let's say no more than twenty. I got a little down. You know huge huge part of the announcements really stretching this thing out over over the course of a couple years here. Why don't you start with your Let's say let's hear two of them two of your system captains well the first in y of course my first captaincy pick. He's going to be leading our security operation for the week as well He will be also head of communications and he will also be in charge of his own fire squadron. And of course we'll be going under the codename the cat for the week but Mr Tiger Woods will be having a pod and he will be running the COMMS While playing as well he's going to be wearing the earpiece. I felt like that kind of held them back a little bit role Melbourne illegal. Well that is not my current rules. You're not changing the rules of Golf. Already we'll change but So that Mr Mr. The cat will be referred to from this point forward We'll be taking over the fire squadron. Eight the fires. Well you did you kind of slipped in a very. Yeah a very loaded word there. Which was pod so clearly you will be going towards some sort of pod system we will be going towards the pod system and actually Will be kind of all encompassing some ideas that I've heard you know a person in particular to try to establish some continuity going forward Not so I'm not just looking for the two thousand twenty Ryder Cup We are looking for a certain formula going forward for the foreseeable future sir. Would you like me to continue with more one? More assistant would be great for two. I do apologize for the first time if you have to. Do you really have won. The second POD leader will be Mr Philip Alfred Mickelson. His group will not be a fire squadron but it will be an investor group extra He will be leaving yes he will be leading that one. And that's all I can say about that one curly. Thank you tron. Couple assistant captains from you and and why. They felt like they needed to be in the locker. Yeah before I get to assistant captains I WANNA shout out. I got my my statistician team. Fifteenth Club of course. Oh yeah so. They'll be doing a lot of work for me to justify it. And all the FELLAS Westwood's team room manager Westwood in Thorbjorn Olesen. We'll be team room and post Celebration and all that what. What was the culture? You're really looking. Well they're trying to keep them kind of keeping everybody loose but also more focused on the end result not the process the process. I asked only as a journalist. But are there any probation standards? That Mr Olsson's under that that would keep him from being in the United States or anything like that or has all that been cleared up. I believe all that's been cleared. Okay where's Jamie Donaldson all this? He is our chief pastry officer. So someone like Westwood. For instance the The any type of role specificity in his role is is there. Less situation hangs out in the team room and also hangs out with all the the wags. Okay so it keeps all the wags occupied and and all that. No no not stealing anybody's girl. He's he's just providing alcohol and hanging out in the hot tub and just just an ambiance exactly keeping everybody loose but so those are those are my sister. Captain Edi pepple. It's going to be my lead assistant. He and padres will be Kinda handling a lot of the golf stuff for me. And then toto. Wolff will be interesting new position team principal from Formula One. He is Mercedes Benz Patrols team principal slash CEO for the formula. One teams and a really really impressed with the job. He's done with them and think some of those principles that he can bring over to. Our team would be much much appreciated. He's organized strategic big Fan. And just just for the golf media assembled here that was toto. Wolford Hodel Toto Wolff. Toto Toto W. O. L. S. actual name Toto Wolff. We are Non Formula. One in our but holy smokes. And then I'm also gonNA have chimerine Monte as soon for not having just a word about you know what those guys bring you know. Pretty good record at this course. He's he's got some strategy to got made a million dollars into the mix and then Yeah Monte is going to be in charge of the the culinary operation. It works with the pastry chef. I'm sure saw who round out your your system. Captains your ass captains. Well you know I kind of throw some jabs at the at the term experience but I do want a captain that has experienced actually running the show you know as a first time captain myself. I can't see around the corner. I don't know what what traps are waiting for me. And I want someone that is able to implement this kind of pod ish system better than I can and the one guy that has gone outside the box off the US captain That's not named Hal. Sutton in recent years is Mr Policing So I'm bringing him in brain to handle all those roles. He's the most cutthroat I think he's going to help me. The most in terms of maybe literally cutting some throats but also just cutting the rough and he knows a thing or two about set up. What kind of setup where we can get those advantages? I'd like to pretend like I know a lot of those things. But he's good relationship with the players and you know if you need a tree limb taken out it gets taken out if I may correct me if I'm wrong. But his radic. Nbc It is so if you could speak to. Maybe the downstream effects of Viewers will not have their lead analysts in the booth anymore. With as you're selfishly hogging him for your team room. Well it's in our hearts. It's in their blood. Imagine that for three days. And that's what you're missing so he's also hates Europeans. Yes which is a big big plus I saw him. Yes and also a Roy will be passing on in not taking the brunt of myself as lead captain. I've just I won't be focused on the competition. Right and this. This whole thing turns into one big media toward big media circle jerk if you will so I wanted somebody. Who is you know? Decisive committed of committing that word competitive admitted committed. Sure that works see. I'm not the media. Speaks well for nominating me. I'd be honored to do. It can represent us very well. We're gonNA take Mike One. Oh allow this might be some reasons. He buys recorded with him but I want him handling all media. Prescott he can go on. Ferte he can do he can be you know the figurehead of this for all. I care All I care about getting that John. You should get I know he's not technically European but That guy who is the White House. Press Secretary for like six days. Spicer get the mood as your as your video. I think I think You know just for the record. I'm not planning on relinquishing my role. Here we're trying to build dynasty me and toto and Eddie peppers you can do all my media for me excellent. Well just a few more things. I think we'd want to get to before we actually get into to the actual team solid. There's of course much more that goes into the Ryder Cup than just You know three golf. There's there's a lot of events there's Gallus Galas Gallus. There's all types of speaking engagements everything it gives a bit of a run a show of what what your players can expect. What transplants can expect how you might be changing the The the week the week of process you know. I don't have a ton of can share at this point I do. I can't tell you the things are set up your happy to talk about this. He'd like to keep keep under wraps our team will no. I think kicking off the week with something like the the opening ceremonies is of course you know tradition that. I'm happy to uphold. I don't think I want our teams mingling and too many other distractions after that I think my that's my way of reaching across the aisle and saying that I think more time for the team's individually To hope that they played their best golf Gives his best chance at a entertaining. Competition you do you think the American captain could sign the European team up for a bunch of events that they had to do. I think it kind of is how Jamie American European tour organized like this gala mobile. Some of that stuff has fallen off over the years. Because it's like we. What are we doing here? Why are we driving an hour into Charleston? Inland car accidents before the show even started also liked to name an honorary assistant. Captain Please I was hoping she will not be allowed in our team room or anything like that but I just. I want to honor her effect in the touch that she's had on. This event is Giannis Rice. Just in read. Yes you think. Your opinion tour member Her husband so dressing legit almost as an assistant captain as a as a pod leader. Your you know your your lost looks to be trump's game so I was willing to make team Europe one up before we kick off the festivities too. I'd like to proud announce the team. Usa's new clothing partnership with original Penguin. Of course we will bring party boy element to some of the scripting. There'll be lots of blues and just be just a whole new look for the the. Us team it's really signify. The new era excellent. I thought that was an address. I thought you know not absolutely not all right. Great shot the original our show we get into it. Let's do it before we do with the teams as well. Just WanNa add that. Of course of course we would be switching to the President's Cup style of deciding match. Of course of course. That's an offer that has to have and to reiterate what that is for the for the listeners One team puts up a match and then the other team has to decide who they're putting up against that match instead of the blind draw which is the current setup which is dumb and lame. There were also. I had a feeling that would be well received. I have a feeling my next up. Might NOT BE THAT. Well received the second the afternoon. Wave of rounds. will be starting a bit earlier than Than in the past. Okay so there will be some time for guys in the early groups to also play in the afternoon. But we're GONNA put that depth to test so there will be some matches that are kicking off in the afternoon That you know I don't I don't i. I don't think that the team captain the hosting captain can dictate the honestly. I'm worried about daylight this time of year. You know Up in up in Wisconsin. And I'd hate to see this thing go to a Monday. Finish concern so I it's it's in the best interest of everyone involved that we get this event it in three days. Cool I guys just GonNa beat the shit out of these matches early. That's certainly subjective. It's that'd be sick as if your banking your guy winning so early that you put them out in a match that was set to start before he finishes first time that would be could be the TC way all right. Let's get into it without further ado. We had a coin flip. Of course backstage sally congratulations. Thank you you you will be going. I not together really drafting from the same pool of players but What I'd love to hear your first pick we. Of course we're going to have twelve guys on each side. I'd love to hear your first pick. And maybe even what pot or squadron or Investment Mutual Fund. They'll be put into so that's one thing. I WanNa make clear before we get going here. The reason I'm bringing Zinger in here is I don't know the personnel the relationships between all these guys okay. I'M NOT GONNA pretend to be that guy. I am going to surround myself with guys that do know the inner workings of these relationships and trust that we are going to have a beautiful fall out. And everyone's going to fall into four nine three nice categories with that in mind. I Guy I'm GONNA take coming off fantastic performance at the Presidents Cup. I've been assured every reason to believe he's GonNa be fully healthy come September not. Of course he's going in the cats fire squad and he is the cat himself so he will be playing assistant. Captain Mr Tiger Woods feels like a no brainer. You know anything else. You WanNa say about what he brings to the team or you know. Probably the greatest player of all time guys. That's not an easy course to walk cold. Potentially Wendy we might be doing some climate control up there as well. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA BE THE CARTS. Exxon to hadn't thought of that. Thank you for the idea idea. How about the fact that he? Wd from the players before he knew all the cove in nineteen stuff was going to go down. He knew the cat and it makes you think all right listen. I don't know what else we can say about the cat. He's a cat. So congratulations on having the cat Tron your first pick police. Yeah but before we finish that I always wanted to say this for Schuessel. It's the first pick. I guy needs no introduction dusted scam champ at the Walker Cup in two thousand seventeen at L. Country Club t six Saudi Arabia. This year. Similar similar Look at the Red Sea. We'll be having to Lake Michigan. He's got five second place finishes in the last two years number sixty seven player in the world. Big Shop McIntyre th. Wow Talk to me about making him your first choice really set the tone with Bob McIntyre. Yeah I know. The resume speaks for itself you know. He's he's only he's only what twenty three years old? I think we can. Fact check that real quick. Hold on one SEC ROB Iraq entire four nineteen ninety-six age twenty-three went to college at mcneese. State UNIVERSITY DOWN IN LOUISIANA. Which we don't have to tell you much about the program down there you know the fact that you can go from. `Obon Scotland to mcneese state and guy can play anywhere. Yeah exactly you know. You're you're very He's had he's got one professional win. Which was the Kuwait Championship in Twenty Seventeen? And then t six at his first and only major appearance last year. Of course at the at Portland I do also think it's heady since Solly will obviously be putting Kyle Stanley on his team to to put the guy who tried to end cow. Stanley's life last year at the open championship for the no four call will that and you know he beat again beat the shit out of Camp Champ. Not On my team. So He's got Walker Cup experience playing on foreign soil and yeah. He's he's shown that he's not he's not afraid to back down eighty four or no he. He won't back down not afraid of the of the thing any else for eighty ellsberg which is all right very not who? I was expecting it. I love the rationale solid. Your second pick please. I'M GONNA go with the guy that I was going to run right back out there with Mr Woods had great success again real Melbourne This is very obvious. Pick as well one of the best players in the World Mr Justice. Thomas Course listen. Of course you know you've gotten to know jt. I you know I I know you mentioned you're not familiar with the inner workings of the interpersonal relationships of everybody on the team. But jt guy you've got to know a bit. What talk to us about him. What's what's he like Off THE COURSE. Let the people in a little bit here. You know. He's the same guy off the course that he is unsure he. He's you know people often ask me. Who are the best of the best hangs out there? And he's one of them he's he's the guy that doesn't treat himself like us a famous. Professional Golfer Eh. Any point and Is just a you know a good casual guy to hang out with you know? I looked to in trying to match up guys in their relationships. With other guys for how they're gonNA play enforcement right and these guys have forced them to experience. There's always a lot of uncertainty and maybe not enough attention paid to the golf ball and how guys play different golf balls He was able to make the adjustment to tigers. Golf Ball. it at Roman and They're experienced obviously. They were a very formidable team. Down there Their experience you know running through the internationals at Melbourne with that in that exact force format makes me think they can do it again. So just for my own edification. Of course he will be playing under the CASS qualities. Quadrant trump pick number two police. I'd like to go back to Robert McIntyre. Talk a little bit more about what I saw there Google with this guy last few minutes. Actually I've been I've been six. Am this morning doing research. Second Place Finish at the twenty. Eighteen finished challenge People forget about that place at the Sean Open in in China in twenty and then You tied for second at the British Masters. Twenty nine thousand nine hundred second intimate in Denmark. Six at the open championship t to at the Porsche European open to say I wouldn't be doing my job. Talion open hearing a lot of second places hearing a lot of. I'm not hearing a lot of winds. Listen it's just sample size okay. Now He's twenty three what morning you want. Well listen I mean as the Americans just through. Jt a prodigious winner in in his young years you know it's it's interesting. I'm interested to hear who you come about with with pick number two. Yeah take number. Two top thirty in the world guy went three and at the twenty eighteen year Asia Cup. Which is something else that we really look. We look at your Asia. Kapalua walkup look at performance in national opens and we get the Trophy Hassan to formula Tearful had talked to listen. Everybody obviously saw him in the cauldron of Bay Hill. Talk to you about how much that performance influence your decision to to put on this team. Yeah that I mean certainly kind of an aerial golf course you gotta hit. Commit to lines off the tee. And then you've got to really bring it with the irons so just nails. I mean the guy. And he's he's a he's a nutcase which I dig which we like Bit Ryder Cup Experience. He played in the two thousand eighteen. I'm really loving the potential ability for the top guys on Trans Team to get flustered because it seems like Bob macadear against quite flustered quite easily and cash. Kiro hadn't I don't know how he's GonNa hit the US galleries. That's going to be interesting to see. Oh boy this is good if you was beloved down it Don At Bay Hill people were really take. I think people really different at the Radha. It might be slightly different. I don't think he'll have quite as warm of a reception. I do think the Middle Finger endeared him to some American fans but I think people are going to put country before. I'm expecting more of those middle fingers. That's that's true. Solid police continue. Pick number three. We're going to stick in this. What we're pencilling in is Tigers. Fire Squad sheriff. So fluid is a fluid situation. We're GONNA go with P. can't layer read so it is going to be PC. Mr Canley unbelievable player that I think would have been a great addition to the twenty. Eight team is campaigning. Pretty hard for him to be a part of that team And I think we're GONNA see him on every team basically for the next ten years. I think we're only scratching the surface of what he's going to accomplish out in the PGA tour. I think he's a tremendous tremendous match by player. When you're when you're campaigning for these guys to be on. The team talked to me about how that process goes. It's me and my bathroom mirrors. Take him no just pointing out. You know what guys have done that you know I. It's hard to break through in this weird network of hierarchy that the. Us seems to have your buddy system. Let's get you guys. Have a buddy. I refuse to acknowledge the term guys We're changing things around here Turning the battleship. But it's hard. Yeah it's hard to get you. It's hard to get through if you don't break the door down with your play as as somebody who's never been on a team it's hard to get a captain sick so he and he's not really a guy that really would campaign for himself so he is just a quieter guy that probably he was on the radar. I'm sure but I'm sure. No captain felt any pressure to pick somebody like a lot of people you know. When they do become captain's picks there's a lot of texting that goes into it. You know now with this being all captions picks your phone must be just a lot of texts. We may get to that later. Okay Okay Webb. Simpson the team team Europe on your third Piccoli's. Yeah you know. I don't think this guy needs any any sort of introduction. Either if you can't figure it out yet I'm backloading my stuff and I'm GonNa you know we're going to get down to some of the important tough decisions here at the end but you know I'm trying to give give a little bit of Of A bump to some of my rookies some young guys here so World number eighty two again needs introduction with highest Schwab. Okay in Junior Cup team in the Ryder Cup. He's twenty five years old again. Route played really well last year in in national opens in. Then you know. T- three add the BMW international t nine at the made in Denmark. T nine at the trophee. Hassan wonder to T- four at the Italian open to T- four at the W. H. Speed see champions and t to the Turkish Airlines open so really consistent player. People have said that he reminds them a lot of Bernard longer. And you know twenty five year old Austrian. That was the was it the through a playoff at Turkish Airlines open. It was that the one that was like under the lights where they finished. Who could say again? Who could say I know he? He lost in the RIB AT THE HSBC. Hsbc is probably pretty pretty similar. Course what we're looking at up and was you hate that. Even though I know I do but you know. It's a pretty similar. Of course I think also you know you couldn't you couldn't find any of the European tour guys that we're actually successfully manipulating the world rankings. I want for the guys that were really. You know these guys consistent and he went to the finals of the British amateur lost in the finals. Which I know again I I. Don't you know the results are great? And it's impressive to beat big fields but a lot of I'm hearing a lot of runners up on your team And and I'm I'm pointing. That was a red flag as as a friend. And as a as confident these would be my captain's picks even if we weren't doing all captains picture. You know what I mean so I'm trying I'm trying to get get these guys out there. Get him comfortable and they will announce the big guys later on. I see okay. You know any anything. I don't want to put you on the spot but I've not watched matteis. Schwab a play much golf Mataya Shrub. There you go anything you can say about his game what he does. Well tron walk seventy two holes with the mustard at the Australian Open and this is really impressive. What he saw he went to vanderbilt. So he's very very Musically inclined W Belmont Belmont Comfortable playing in the US. He was joint third in the individual competition. But the two thousand sixteen twenty Seventeen Division One championships leagues answers. I don't mean to your question. Well no it's. It's very possible that you're I know you're working with the club. I know your big data guy. It's very possible you don't have a good even seen him up close very much so I would not trying to put you on the spot. I don't know much about his game. I know he's a good driver of the Golf Ball. Okay and just just hits a Shitload of Greens. I love it. Live look at the Fifteenth Club. Monkey mean per your question whether he was part of that massive playoff hero Hatton. Yeah Benjamin Bear Kirk Victor Perez and Eric in resent it was a live. We watched it in the in the mid Pines clubhouse the morning we were filming. That upset shows original penguin. Soli- I believe we're filling out the cat squadrons. Yeah we are. I think Gosh I might be making some changes to my team. Just to have a little more fun with this. Guy. I want the competition to be close and fun again. We even got killers so I'm going to round out. This is an easy one an easy nickname to run out this squad squad with and that's the X. men or we're taking zander somehow has never played on the Ryder Cup team. Which seems insane. Think his his game fits any solid. Course HITS IT Super High and this kind of golf course favors that and I think he can't leave. Made a great team. They made it okay team at role Melbourne and I'd like to see them tried again either comfortable with each other clearly. And that's that's my. That's my guys. Maybe the best player in the world that nobody ever calls the best player in the world wouldn't quite say that. Yeah he's coming He might be the best player that nobody ever says. It's the best you don't actually yes. He's very good That's a it's a big miss on your part not to have his dad as an ass captain. That's a great point complete Alpha team. Oh speaking of your team trump. Let's go to your fourth player. Yeah I'M GONNA go with my last. You Know Young Buck if you will young hove area now. We're talking all right. Mr Victor Hoffman. You didn't mean yeah. He's he needs no introduction. Anything else you WANNA say about him. Not just next bucket topic Puerto Rico. So he's he's a winner. That's right thank you Wonderful transition to the next group. Which is Phil Mickelson's investor group? We're going to be straight hidden bombs in this group winner of the Puerto Rican. Open Tony Female. Come on down. Talk to me about some of his other winds We do not have time show to cover the rest of the winds. But you don't need that in in radical. You know you you kind of been ribbing Toronto a little bit on a couple of runner up finishes you don't necessarily need to win stroke play events to be great match by player. He was You know for a golf course. That did not fit his style of play. At all. In France he went out there and I believe went to and one. I know he had a winning record and was one of the lone bright spots Campaign very hard for them. Of course as you know to get a spot on the team and you go in some loose of God. The last spot and He's coming with us to Hazel or to whistling straights. I don't understand why you say that. That doesn't suit his style play. Is it accurate? Drive the golf ball. He he's comfortable hitting long. Irons Roy. Macaroni hitting irons off of our five because the fairways were so narrow. No no I think female it's a misnomer to say that he's just a a bomb gal or inaccurate off the tee. I think I think that actually did favor his style of play. I would respectfully disagree. But listen FELLAS. We're not here to relitigate for guys hitting data and far the the dispersion that those fairways allowed for is tighter than what they pros natural dispersions go even if he hits a very good tee shot. There's a good possibility it was going to roll into the rough on one of the sites that fits that fits that allows his driver to go. Almost uninhibited is much better. But he's got a distinct advantage hitting a three or four iron off the tee. Listen we'll see tron. Let's let's move onto you anything else about mystery. No no I think it was a great point that you know you can't give away matches at the rats and expect to win matches essentially sex all these loading up on cat's lot of surprise you didn't put him in the cats cats. Don't get along that well with each other C. You know you've got to separate them tron. Give us player number five from team Europe. This guy of course needs no introduction. He's proud to partner with Morgan. Stanley shares Justin rose almost less left them off the squad but But Yeah I looked back at his record you know. He's a part squad. Is someone who I know. You're a tinkerer. You're you're certified. Master fitter as far as equipment goes Any concerns about his Auma Clubs and and some of the discrepancies in some of the Potential falling outs. That are going on over there. No absolutely not meaning I. I let me rephrase the question. Would you completely back him down and force a set of clubs into his hand that you think would be a good fit Yeah absolutely a longer with on my next question. I'm saying there's a lot of uncertainty going on and I'm I'm curious if Tron sees himself as maybe someone who could fill that void and help clear up some of the the uncertainty there again. Yes next question. Not a Lotta time. I don't need it on my next. Pick one of the best players in the world also in the in this bombs division. Of course we are talking about Brooks Kepco and he will be a strong. Contributing member was amazing at Hazeltine And we are going to set this golf course up to look a lot like that one In a lot not very much so like France where he struggled so as someone who admittedly doesn't follow pro golf as closely as they would like to project that they do is brooks hurt. What's going on with Brooks? Is he good as knee needed a little bit of a little bit of work but he'll be fine comes September again? You gotta remember this. We're talking about event at six six months away. I've total confidence have received a lot of confidence. A lot of people down there in Jupiter. He will be fine. Why why put Brooks with To fill investment group. You know it was a different difficult decision. I'm getting. I want to reiterate that these are. The squads are just pencils right there just in pencil but You know it's been an instinct for a lot of people myself included to pair. Dj in Brooks together in these team events. And they don't like they don't like playing with each other The last event they got in a fight actually and out that was that was a wild Wish we knew more about that but that happens from over with a couple of Alpha's from time to time they run hot out there. But they're playing styles from what I've heard you know brooks maybe hits putts a little too hard for DJ. He doesn't like done like hitting. The comebacker is coming back and they don't have that chemistry that you think they might be in good friends. So I'd separate the two of them and I ended up thinking Brooks and fee now are going to make a decent pairing and then the other the other pairing within that in that forum might be. It might be my house Hutton. Move but we'll find out all right. I thought about that. Dj HITS AS PETS. Kind of drippy. Interesting trunk please. Your next Tommy. Fleetwood no-brainer there. No brainer there. What Mr Four own one at a Paris something? That sounds about right. He Lost Douglaston dusted by female but gas. Yeah well I know. He's he's one of your three five favorite players in the in the whole world. Talk to me about what you like about. Tommy fleetwood everything everything I love having been on the bag having been on the team room as well Yeah Tommy just excellent iron player. Great Driver Golf Ball. No concerns whatsoever with thrown him out there every session a guy who has You know obviously we saw what we saw at the Ryder Cup since. Then we've seen him in contention. We haven't seen them win a lot. Any any concerns on Tommy in in big moments recently none whatsoever asking me yes or no questions. They're not they're not paying offers. Sorry go ahead this next pick. I wouldn't say any my picture controversial. But maybe is the most controversial to commit to at this point again. I want to emphasize how this golf course is. GonNa play is GonNa be a big ballpark all right. There's going to be a lot. It's it's one big blank. Canvas Jessica Oscars Somebody who has had a lot of success at this golf course has been very close to winning a major championship. Aga- cheer Erba in the bombs. Division we are taking Baghdad. Jerry Bubba Watson you know I I see where you're going with Why that would be controversial but low key one of the best players in the world of. Oh yes four months played great golf great. He only played well in even years to make sure that he's on these teams for some reason It's a great setup. Forum Francis obviously a comical set up for him But I think he. I think he should have been on the team in Hazeltine at the time. It was a great great golf course. They picked Ryan more for some reason who did find but not exactly the best. Golf course fit so Yeah we're GONNA hit some bonds the BUBBA He's GonNa take it over that huge dog on the fifth hole. We're GonNa just GonNa let him let him go nuts. I I commend you on that. I think that's I think that's an interesting one in. I love seeing outside the box. Although how far outside the box is up for debate? But it's interesting to see something a little different box. Jason Boxer Jason Tron. Take me way outside the box. Man What are you got? I mean I think I've I don't think there is a complex cloud. We're GONNA put a lifetime membership to the European Ryder Cup. Team is just a member emeritus. He's he's a dog complete and utter dog talking about the state of his game. I don't think we've seen much. I don't think we've seen much from him over the last you know. I don't know since Medina really we got his. Pga Tour Card back true. That weird statistical anomaly. That was going on. Yeah which was crazy. Icees point fine. He was a t thirty two T twenty-seven Honda t seventeen at Saudi. Which I know we look pretty closely as Northstar. He's sixteen at the Omega Dubai. Desert Classic T- thirteen at the Zo t at the at the CJ car ran he's hanging X. Year I would jump in and say you know when he comes to earn Ryder Cups. You throw records out you know when he gets out there against that. The Stars and Stripes you know. It doesn't matter what his game I mean he was he was he was t six at the Twenty Nineteen. Saudi as well. So I mean he's he's GonNa peak at the right time. I have no concerns about. How do you think he's his quarantine polishing his car's many many cars? Yeah Yeah could be a rotator cuff issue in his in his feature film me out Mr Mickelson's investment fund here. Who's going to be paired with Bubba Watson? Well again you know. The pairings could be fluctuate Lewis situation that out but you know a guy that similar to fill fancies himself a bit of an intellectual similar to fill straight hidden bombs. You know exactly where I'm going with. This cannot believe I can't explain you. How much money I would pay to watch. Bryson Imbaba parody and that's where I'm going. This is an entertainment product of the day and Bryson to get paired together. And that's where I am Bryson to shampo welcome to the team. I'M GONNA add to Susan Captains okay. I'm going to add. Preet Behara the former the prosecutor prosecuted of New York. Okay just to. That's going to follow the Phil. Pairing around or the Philpot around and then I'm going to have to bring bill. Nye The science guy onto the squad to deepen the climate change seen right now. I don't know if he's have time on his calendar but Brin questions thought of do you have to be of. The nationality of one of the teams. Had the same questions and who could say? I don't think so. I think someone like a pre who's representative the DA of New York's southern district You know I'm sure. He would put the stars and stripes above a silly golf contest but if you had several conversations with them Then obviously I think he puts the law above of any sort of affiliation with same with Mr or Dr Ni- built Mr whatever I don't know if he's actual doctor He. He puts the the he puts science above everything. He did. A perfectly if you did a documentary that couple of years ago it was a little a little off had had some thoughts on it a little bill bill. Nye might be kind of a thirst bucket. I think. But let me just dive real quick back in your actual your actual selection. I picture for whatever reason immediately. What comes to mind On the BUBBA Bryson pairing is how weirdly natural the BUBBA JEFF? Overton pairing seemed to be just a couple of people who are diametrically opposed in every possible way for whatever reason bubba kind of like was wide open to it and Totally rolled with the whole weird situation. So is that was that. Was that one that was on your mind. Well it was kind of like taking my two problem children and making them sleep in the same room in bunk beds. You guys figured out okay. We're not webb. Simpson has been through so much. I had already started typing in websites. Now I will not put web in that position again. I think web needs to play his first. First Real Ryder Cup without having to babysit somebody and We're going to let that happen very interesting. All right and let's let's go over to your squad who's going to be back in Mr Poulter here. We're going to go with the RIB. Rory mcilroy again needs no introduction. T four at the jets. Hsbc CONCERNS. He does not play. Saudi it's also great success at the twenty ten PJ championship. That's exactly right. I was going. I was trying to think if If he had any real significant lakeside moments. I know he won the match. Play at Harding Park That's that's very lakeside. Maybe the fifteenth can get some of some of these Roy's other great lakes moments Kiawah Kiawah notion like But still similar VIBE. Let listen I'll go out and say I think we're always agree. Pick thanks yeah. I think I think he'll really bring a lot of stuff to your team. It's all I please in the final pod. I'M NOT GONNA lie. Zingers got his work. Cut Out in this pod like I. I don't know how you know these personalities all Mesh. This is where I would lean on him to say. You know what we need to kind of. Move some things around. But a guy want leading that pod kind of being the spokesman and being the guy that people turn to is Webb Simpson. Flush our now for. He is a certified dog he has been through a lot when it comes to not just his radka pairings but the anchor ban and he's come out the other side as truly one of the best golfers in the world so consistent in the exact guy you don't want to go up against a match because he's not. GonNa let you in. He just doesn't let it doesn't give you away around him. He is one of the best. Iron players in the world has been for super long time our good friends over the sovereign rankings. Absolutely love him currently number one in the world rankings and I want him as a state I think at least three matches. I don't WanNA commit people to four matches but I want him going at least three matches. Talk to me about this. I know you don't want to disparage any of your your guys. But talking about the wholesale turnaround that seemed to make on On Webb Simpson. Because things were a lot bleaker a would say back in the day so I was just trying to protect his cell phone bill. He doesn't have unlimited texts to be clear. Webber's texted his way onto onto my team. Where I for a long long long time. I just couldn't look at that. Follow through and think that he was actual good ball striker. I couldn't I just thought he faked it around. And that's on me. Look that's on me. Obviously one of the elite players in the League ball starters. You didn't hit it far far. I don't think he quite hits it as short as we've pointed out in the past But he that's the guy that's GonNa give himself tunnel. Looks at birdies. Putting thing he's completely clear now with his arm off putting and he hit parts with such conviction and taking down. Justin rose of the two thousand Eighteen Ryder Cup. When Rosas Number One player in the world Maybe number two player in the world. That meant a lot to me. That guy can lead. The I remember being on that Sixteenth Green or whatever that par-three was And watching him close that match out and being like a guy one on my team. Do you remember him. Shaking it on eleven at Augusta. Yeah Sixteen and Augusta and number eight Medina. Yeah I do but as somebody that also lives close to say. We have a lot in common any concerns that you know obviously you and This has not been widely reported in the media but you in his caddy story of had a bit of a running a kind of rift or a running kind of rivalry going in the in the Florida. State Association Winner Series Events. Will you guys be okay being in the same team room? Of course we will you know. How can you not say this? You know look at this pairing and not think how great it would be to have caddy. Who is a great player? His own or on the bag for Webb Simpson. I it's impossible to say how much how much value that is. All right. Excellent Tron You know we've got the rebound team. We've got fleetwood on the team. I gotta think you're looking. Maybe somewhere Jon Rahm someone like that what. What's on your mind before we do that? I'm going to add to big jungle bird as an ass. I'm GONNA have him follow around whatever. This is the guy. That Webb isn't yeah. That of course erupted the ceremonies at the twenty thirteen years of that. He's got unfinished business with the web. Got OUT OF JAIL CELL ACA Joe Jail Cell Pal. So web should apologize for that that was classless coming soon. Maybe yeah I mean we. You know we're going to go with Rahm here. Yeah I listen. I think it's a no brainer So we're so really are less. You know less five picks six heartland rose fleetwood poulter the RIB and Rahm starting really get into the media order here. I mean you know you. Can you can sail. You want about my squad and then I got some young young bucks backloaded roll up front forty nations ready to roll. Listen to look at. What more can you say about Jon? Rahm certified killer number two player in the world needs. No introduction needs no introduction solly WHO's Who's going to be joining Mister Simpson in the as in your pod. This is where things get a little weird honestly. Dj and Brooks going together would help things so much and I end up thinking. Dj's to go somewhere. He seems as the most adaptable to kind of playing with almost playing with with whoever I know. I just said he doesn't play well with Brooks but I think he's willing to try almost almost anything so I'm putting him in this pod not pairing up necessarily with web but maybe potentially with their next guy okay knees introduction and this is the part of the of the press conference here where we're GonNa hear. I love for each of you to say something nice about someone else's player and so on. I know you consider us into a great player of all time. Maybe just a word on on why he inspires you so much. Thank you not at all. Get Out of your next question. Which I'm sure was at the top of your list. We're not at all concerned about any bad memories at whistling straights for For Mr Johnson. I would like to acknowledge that are. Just just ask really. How will we be treating the sandy areas? Yeah that's a great great question. I don't WanNa give too much of it away but there's a chance we may have one of the keys in one of them at these spot at taught on eighteen so there will be no hospitality tent there. They'll be no I. I think they covered it up The bikers take change shape out. There is allegedly so there is nothing. Dj Bunker Anymore. But we will have a plaque. There might have either one of those very cool. Who says he's have to be on grass? That's a great a great man. The fact that you put a tea in one of the spots that would kind of haunt one of your team members just shows shows your leadership experience. Hit a great shot out of their tron. Your next big police. Yeah we're down to the last three here you know. I'm just GONNA I want to let some of these guys down easy. I don't want to have to have them. You know worried about where. Or if they're going to get picked at all. I can tell them. You're not getting picked. Sergio you're not picked Matthew Fitzpatrick you're not getting picked. You've gotten dusted in previous Ryder Cups. I like you lot. Rafa Cabrera bail. You're not getting picked Stinson. I couldn't picked Paul Casey. You're not getting picked Matt Wallace. You're not getting picked. Sorry Michael I thought he was a dog one and be a dog. He's not he got spooked after SAR catches twitter. Beat the I didn't realize he went to Jacksonville. State University in Alabama. Yeah it does. Dm Keep him off your team or are you. Purely trusting the fifteenth club and and going on data are there are some personal vendettas and ut both but yet not a not. A great pressure player. Letard at Tom Lewis. Not on the team though. Mike Lorenzo Vera great hair not on the team Danny will not on the team host. The great stability is a availability. He's been hurt a lot lately. Nana Team Alex. Noren looked hard at him. Trying to spook solly not on the team blew. His Beard. Looked hard at him. Guido miglio's E. Yeah not on the team. So let's thought I wanNA talk about away. Who isn't a team? Stop asking me about focused on TV to go with molinari really. Wow we're going to. We're going to nurse his aspect to health. He's got some really really good He's come out firing the last couple of times the PG has been there had a couple couple of really good first round showings there. We're GONNA nurse him back to health. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA paramount with Tommy and get those vibes going again and and You know I know. Solid thinks he's he's GonNa set the course up accordingly but I think regardless of where he puts the TS. I'm you know I'm confident. In on Ari's iron play and putting to bring it home for all in the spirit of this round solid. Tell us something positive about Molnar here. He has won five matches in his Ryder Cup career. Yeah all of them at the most recent Ryder Cup. And he one zero of his previous six really did not know that. So we're GONNA nurse suspect to health. What's your process of doing that herd immunity strategy here? I don't know I mean we're just we're we're we're taking a flyer could be an atom. Scott Presidents Cup situation. Yeah Greg Norman. Picking him to give them some confidence. I also looked at getting you know doing some British Commonwealth research here seeing if we could possibly annex Australia share with thought about that. Now that you bring it up I didn't WanNA bring it up. Should we be discussing whether or not Britain is part of Europe? Wow I feel like. Let's operate assumption that and Europe based on the bylaws that you that you think it is great. Britain in Europe is your is a Europe era. I think all right. Let's let's pick apart the captain's agreement after this headed for the purposes of this press conference. Let's operate under the fact that Great Britain is part of okay. You know what I'm just getting word. I'm just getting word. Francesco Molinari has opted out. Oh He's off the team now he opted out he said. Mr. TC CAPTAIN TC. I should've mentioned that was out six. Sorry he's got some haves in there but not won any of them off the team now according to him he thinks he's better served as an assistant. Captain Oh wow okay well. Who would be taking his place that Tom? Peters wow someone who obviously has some. I'm getting word now. That tron just forgot about Thomas Peters is all right well guy that that has some some good vibes needs an introduction needs no introduction went to college and one St Down in exactly in Illinois very comfortable plan in this part of the country bomber. I'm going to pair him and Hatton up and they're going to just ask murder people all right sally over to you for pick number ten. I believe all right now. This is this is number eleven. This is number eleven. Two guys left here. You know I really was trying to avoid doing it. I wanted to go the other way I didn't. I felt like what he's done. Recent teams has been too much of a distraction. I consider bringing his wife in as as steering into it and just bringing her in as an assistant captain. I couldn't ignore his play on the field. It's just it's just too good. He is the twelfth ranked player in the world according to the Saginaw rankings of course About five in your heart. He's way up there and strokes gain on the PGA tour and of course Yes yes top. Five in your heart. I'm going I'm GONNA take captain. America Patrick Read. This is a tough look. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA be honest We have just to set the stage. We're going to we're coming out of The world's just being completely in shambles were hoping for a new world. That's completely unified. We're going to course with nothing but questionable bunker situations. That's exactly what I'm so glad you mentioned this in that. Tc's question was whether or not we're playing them as waste bunkers. Not we are of course playing them as ways poking and no one is better out of a waste bunker that Patrick Review whatever you audit their head But my strategy here is. I'm throwing the kitchen sink at Mr. Tc here I'm going. I'm forming a great group of twelve players That can play on a lot of different solid golf course but especially can play on this one. If we were going to France with my team look a lot differently a lot differently. Yes it would but I'm not going to get caught up in trying to formulate the you know the Gulf core of the players the team to the golf course. I'm going to manipulate the golf course to match the team. The team Europe response to seeing patch greed lining up on the other side of the field there. Well I think we we. We saw this coming. That's why Justin is is one of our assistant. Captains we're trying to to You know totally divide that household. Sure off she won't be allowed near our team or anything like that right drawn. Pick number eleven. Yeah the repick stinks. It's disgusting yeah. I would've loved to see you. Leave him off. Come on. I've been. I've been on the fence on which team to root for here and that's a tough one to overcome as an American fan. That's going to be tough on home soil. It's different scenario. I I kinda WANNA see him. Dj Together. I think it'd be interesting. That would be interesting to to left here correct. I'M GONNA go with Shane. Lowry Oud needs no introduction the reigning champion Golfer of the year. Maybe of the of the to actually could be two years. Yeah Trey Team Room Guy. No concerns at all with with Shane. Admittedly he had not even cross my mind in this exercise which is crazy since he literally one the last major. Yeah very interesting. I like that pick said we rounded out here. What do you think let's do it? You know I. I'm going to put a put with the bulletin. A few guys heads here before the last Pick Phil. Mickelson isn't will not be part of the team I think he's fine with. I've talked it over with. He's fine with that I wanted to. I wanted to so bad that I see you. You're the eagerness and DJ'S FACE. He wants me to take him. I won't be taking Jordan spieth. I can't can't make too many good talented players right now. If I felt like we were in an underdog situation and we needed to mix things up. I would do it. I would take a swing. But we're in the captain's seat here. I truly believe that Gary Woodland you won the US Open last year. I'm sorry you're not going to be on my team. I you're close Just don't I think we filled the role of bomber quite well With the other guys. Honestly maybe the closest call Matt Kuchar mccutcheon absolute match-play dog again. The kind of guy you hate going up against he's so consistent not gonna be on the team. Kevin Kisner of course always gets thrown around for these team events. He won't be on the team. J B Holmes again. We're kind of think we're good on the bombers grow K. A. Closely follow the The wyndham championship results very very close. Very closely rickie. Fowler not going to be on the team it's I just I don't need you. That just shows the depth of what we're working with here but quietly somebody that's played some of the best golf in the world it takes a long time to get all the way up. The official world rankings. Especially when you're special young player just playing in your first few professional events but a guy the sagging rankings absolutely love and you just your your favorite ball-strikers favorite ball-striker calling more. Cala love it. I was I was trying to lobby for a Chevy. Pick there but Very interesting that's that's I would say your riskiest pick is that is that fair to say. I think it's the only you know. Yes the only one. That is any kind of reach. I don't think it is a reach based on what I just said. People don't realize how good he is. Of course I considered now wolf. I just kind of want somebody that I think I can. Riot rely on a little more that whilst good is really really good But more cow the you know the what really impressed me was his appearance on the noling. Podcast you've heard it yet. But the confidence he he kind of talks about in that. I don't even want to say it borders on arrogance because it's not but it's just like so reassuring he's so sure of himself and I don't think there's a situation for him. It's too big. I want him on this team. I think he's GonNa be on a lot of them and I'm is a great great team for him to break in at home soil. A lot of veterans. Let's go calling you want on that while you need them on that. Wa- He is going to be on that wall. Try and please finish it off here got. I'm let this is coming down to the wire Molinari's back on the Tiv. Yeah I looked at alerted Chris Ventura as a total wild card and then I realized that he either wins or emcees We didn't want that God. We're looking hard at Bernard Long. I just don't think he's quite has the distance. Um So we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA leave him on the shelf. So you know what it comes down to two guys that. I feel really confident. Both of them got to figure out which one and it's between Victor Perez. Forty in the world obviously needs no introduction and Victor Dubuisson. Who and you know Peres For those of you ignorant Americans that don't that aren't very familiar with him. I literally had lunch with three weeks ago on. Look at me like that. Is You dinner actually really Victor Perez? Yeah that's why I ran into him there and his agents say hey you want to have okay sure one. The Twenty Nineteen Dunhill links championship each to pull a guy fourth at the W. H. B. Champions which we don't have to say you know very sort of course here t to at the Turkish Airlines Open in playoff right. But how did he played? Saudi leaves a little bit to be desired. T thirty eight this year and then last year at Saudi t thirteen. So you know these mixed bag. Great Yeah also on the Sean Open which has come up a number of exactly which is cool and then they trophy his on to miss the cut so hates CNN but very very good young player in his twenties twenty seven years old on the flip side we're looking at Dooby Saul do we saw is busy busy. I don't really know what's going on with Victor. We've reached out to him we. We've not heard you kind of said he could quote take interleaving. He hasn't played in the cup in like six years. Hasn't really played and much less six years. So we're going to go with Victor Perez. Okay it's a good pick quite a quite a build up there. I I like it all right. So those are those are our twenty four players Congratulations to each of you on on a great team. I'd I now kind of inverse of what we did earlier. I'd I'd love for you to critique the other the other teams worst player if you could man options to choose from here Bob McIntyre. That was a an interesting way to go leaving. Stetson and Paul Casey on the shelf. Listen I'm going off. Pass results will necessarily dictate future. I don't disagree with that Just doesn't really have any past results. That really impressed me so dusted scam. Champs came chance that I do feel for my opponent Ronnie is just not the same depth of of players to choose from so there was a good chance that somebody like Bob McIntyre was going to be on the team so you know I'm really not in the in the spirit of this competition. Want to disparage a team. Mem- another I think it's interesting saw always said the same thing about the European team before the twenty eighteen Ryder Cup. So the same thing about the European team for many other twenty. Sixteen that we're asses. Yeah I mean I you know I love my young gun for building for the future. A little bit but also relying upon. We've got some veteran leadership on the team. Now follies team. Yeah I mean you have Bubba up there and I'm GonNa Build on the science guy and clone that pot around spook bubble. A little bit I think and then yeah. I think I'm going to rely on my assistant captains to really get these guys head a level game gamesmanship. I wasn't willing to go to but my opponent We'll we'll be coughing and back swings than Perhaps we'll explore a little bit more on the the core set up front. I mean you know. I'm not sure. The cat pod gets through the first day without an injury. They're you know it's GonNa be cold. It's going to be windy some bad backs in that pot. Yeah now. Where'd you know we got Brooks and Bryson and Bubba in one pot with Phil? That's that's like I've mentioned that the pod situation is very fluid. These are you know and then and then you've got web and DJ. I don't know how they square. They're they're world views. There are some competing worldviews. I have noticed. I don't know that bubbles a huge science guy. I could be wrong on that. That's that's conjecture I maybe I don't plan to put them out in foursomes interesting. We're ball. Let them play their own ball. Bryson I said this is a two thousand eighteen. If there's any player in the history of the world that needs to be playing softball it's price. I'm not putting him out enforcements. All right well gentlemen. This was Enlightening invigorating Hopefully entertaining and any closing remarks. I'll look forward to the competition. I feel somehow even better about it than I did A week ago would like to congratulate my opponent on this baller aspirin. She's I've never even seen before but yeah look forward to a thank you so much for a very fair moderation. Do we think closing question. Do we think the router cope goes off without a hitch on September twenty fifth. Asca ask your boy Corrigan. It's already postponed. I think it does I think it. Does I think printed up much merch for it not to call Tony Tony Tony. That's interesting. Yeah that's different than like the one hundred forty ninth open. Yeah all right. Well listen as big. Rainy says You know we don't know but it'd be fun to find out what happens. We'll see thank you very much for tuning into this draft and shake. I believe I shake hands are well. We're not gonNA shake officially but an air shake of hands on this Tremendous Competition Jess beater. Right club today. Yes that's better than most about him is better than most most expect.

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Hour 2: NBA Playoffs, Tiger's Award

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Hour 2: NBA Playoffs, Tiger's Award

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Tune in tonight as Durant and the Golden State Warriors host to Los Angeles Clippers presented by indeed coverage begins at ten pm eastern on most ESPN radio stations. Excuse me as an aside before I get into NBA NBA action. Let me tell you that today is the deadline for the Seattle Seahawks to reach an agreement with Russell Wilson their star quarterback Super Bowl champion took them to to all back tobacco. Sorry back to back appearances in the Super Bowl beat Denver and tell 'em Peyton Manning lost Tom Brady in New England Patriots. And the game. They should not avant laws. They just elected to give the ball of these mode marshawn Lynch and a half yard line. They'd have back to back Super Bowls presser wasn't a the Thompson football champion. But that's the there. Nevertheless, Russell Wilson wants to be handsomely paid by the way. If you listen to some of the reports, you know, when the cap increases are he wants to be increased accordingly according with the cap, so it's not just about the dollars. But if the cap elevates bought fifteen percent, you know, he might wanna fifty percent raise. Stories that are reading correct. Nevertheless, it seems to be a bit unreasonable. If indeed is unreasonable I think it is that way on purpose because Russell Wilson essentially wants out. Why would you why would you give the Seahawks deadline to reach the deal today? Why would that be of such concern? Why would that deadline that was first reported by the Seattle Tom's about a win confirmed by ESPN? Why would that be invoked by Russell Wilson? Why are you trying to make things difficult for a place that you want to stay at doesn't seem plausible in my mind. It seems like he wants to leave. I think the Seattle Seahawks are going to have to entertain moving out of there. Even though I don't think it's something that, you know, listen, if if a person of his caliber wants out one would som is you got to get rid of them in the same breath. Russell Wilson as a pit a mosque professionalism and team throughout his career. So with him still on the contract what you're going to turn around and and sabotage the season. I don't see Russel wasn't being that kind of guy nevertheless. I think it's a situation where you're the Seattle Seahawks. You could get an awful lot for Russell Wilson. And if you could get an awful lot for Russell Wilson. There might be something you want to entertain if he does not want to be there. I would love the New York Giants get Russell Wilson, absolutely, positively love it. I be so ecstatic for the giants to get their hands on a guy. Like Russell Wilson a guy that could extend place by himself, Tom now, first of all he can throw the football standing in the pocket, but Secondly, he can extend plays with his running ability and saquon Barkley out there with him with the ability to extend place, they can do some things they can do some things. I think that's something that we'd have to look at something that we'd have to consider it at eight say ESPN, it's edited seven to nine three seven seven six to begin to another story. And that is evolving these NBA playoffs. A lot of you looked at the Denver Nuggets losing to the San Antonio Spurs. Let's turn and I got news for you. They know damn upset. I don't kid it Sinton Spurs seventh seed, let me tell you that right now San Antonio Spurs should beat the Denver Nuggets Spurs in the twenty second consecutive postseason. All led by Popovich, the experience that he has with the experience that the mortar Rosen, lamarcus Aldridge and the guys like Patty mills bring to the table. I'm sorry to Denver, Nuggets are incredibly talented. But they young puppies puppies. The first time with the plan for the wall. I love their squad. I really really do much refunding great. If a game. Only shot eight a twenty four right? Gary house can bowl don't get. I don't know how Z's as good as he is can't get off the Florida save his life can play though. But don't give me lettuce with him. I don't understand it. But if you've got boring and experienced veteran like mill set with young lions like Harrison Murray, I did expect more from the gates. I still expect more. But I got news for you. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they lost to San Antonio. Because Popovich knows how to coach and he knows how to make them do things. They don't want to do. And when you're inexperience and disposed Caesar time that usually counts against you. So that's not as a prize to me. Orlando beating Toronto while you consider that affect the Toronto notoriously struggles in game one of the playoffs or the opening round of the playoffs. Like, they regular like one and ten coming into Saturday or something like that. I mean, what are you expect even with a while in it? But I expect them to be. All right. Even though I will tell you this Orlando's youth length and athleticism was a surprise to me to have that kind of affect on Toronto and DJ Augustine the most miniature dude on the floor balled out. This is the guy that religiously ends up on one team after another at somehow he finds a way to produce calorie. I love you little, bro. I really do Kyle Lowry. And I go back to my days of covering him as a high school play in Philadelphia before you went to Villanova. Love cholera pit bull. Not scared of anything. It's really improved. His game is had a really nice NBA career is in the midst of a three year one hundred million dollar contract. All of these things, obviously didn't like what you Masai usury did and trading away. Tomorrow the Rosen and their relationship has been perceived as the best car lower. You cannot go scoreless in a playoff game. You just can't you can't be. So thoroughly outplayed by DJ Augustine like you want that just can't happen. You too good for that. Now. Now, I understand DJ getting twenty five points. He can do and he can play and you want a good team this fixing transfer you. I mean, that's good car. Larry first of all why you attempt to just seven shots at thirty three minutes. Secondly, you can't hit a damn shot over six or three point range. You only attempt at one point shot. Yet more turnovers than points yet more steals than points. You have more personal fouls than points. Come on come on. Now, you can do better than that. Well, let me say this. The biggest surprise to me does for you could use Orlando is that if you want to to me, it's Brooklyn be in Philadelphia. Joel Embiid is not healthy. You only play twenty four minutes. We get that Tobias Harris come on bro for seven you better than that. And your business. It's just one game. I ain't tripping, but you'd better than that JJ relic. Not worried about them at all shooters have bad games to seven for the field. JJ brave that happens Ben Simmons my God, please off season. Ben Simmons my Lord. Ben simmons. If you somewhere listening to me, do you have any idea how good you are? You have any idea. The greatness that lies inside of you will somebody please continue to remind Ben Simmons. That if you get a jump shot, you'll be LeBron to accept what a better handle. And then they're just as good passing ability. Ben Simmons is one thing to not be able to make shots. It's another thing to not take them. Somebody please convinced this man to get a jump shot. Ben Simmons is a jump shot away for being lebrons part to the seventy Sixers. Ben Simmons jump shot away for winning a championship. That's how good he is. He's that special. Just get a job shot. He's that special. Just get a jump shot. Having said all of that. Want to preface my comments by saying? I know it doesn't sound like it sometimes because, you know, do my job in, you know, be critical. You know, listen, I talk about the other sports reporter and talk about the NBA, Al, no, no, damn golf. I just watch it as a fan. Okay. Well, no, damn golf. Contrary to what people who I try to get you believe, I don't my football. Not the way football players and coaches in them. No it, but as a reporter. Yes, I know the game baseball not game. But I know my basketball. And I'm here to tell you something this Brett Brown. Is a really good, man. Comes from the right, pedigree can coach I'm rooting for him one of the classiest individuals you'll ever meet you life, and I'm really really rooting for him. Let me tell you this. If the Philadelphia seventy Sixers don't win this series where Brown's gonna lose his job. You heard it here. First. Brett Brown will not be the coach of the Philadelphia seventy Sixers next season, if they lose this first round to the Brooklyn nets. Barring some kind of catastrophic injury that takes out Joel Embiid, and Ben Simmons is long as they on the court. I don't give a damn if he's not one hundred percent. As long as they're on the court it Browns lose the series. He will lose his job. You can book it is. Anything to wonder about seventy Sixers didn't go out and get Jimmy Butler, and then go out and get Tobias Harris and be universally recognized as a championship contender because of their starting five alone. Only to get bounce out in the first round probably booklet nets. You lose the Boston. That's different still would have been bad. But Boston's got your number and they got a crew. So we can understand you lose the Milwaukee the way the Greek freak is, and that's understandable, particularly with Joel Embiid, not being healthy. You lose to Ron toe with Kawhi Leonard. And Siachen those boys, it's understandable. You cannot lose to the Brooklyn nets. If you ought to Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers Brett Brown keeps his job. I'm telling you right now. Promise Scholla's, don't even wonder about it. Just get to tap prepare get the basketball eulogy ready. If the seventy Sixers lose this series to the Brooklyn nets Phero unfair Brown's gonna lose his job. Because you're going to look at the predictability you're going to look at the lack of judgement. You're you're not gonna wanna hear excuses about Joe Olympia. Not that'll be one hundred percent. You're not gonna wanna hear them telling you right now. I worked in Philadelphia for seventeen years for the Philadelphia Enquirer. I got sources all over the seventy Sixers organization. Talk to these people. Religiously. You talking about I'm trying to tell you, I know concession workers personally. I know all of these folks, I'm trying to tell you what I know. There is no way in hell. Brett Brown is going to keep his job if the seventy Sixers Luther series. I'll tell you what I know. And I hope Brett Brown is listening because I want you to know, sir. I'm rooting for you. I don't want you to lose your job. I want you to keep your job you have to endure that damn process for the first three years your coaching career in Philadelphia. Finally got a team the last couple of years. I'm rooting for you. But you gotta win series. Like this Keniakin says doing a hell of a job. Sure and more doing a hell of a job. And then brothers. Dinwiddie lavar, the ngelo Russell. I mean, come on. I'm just looking at these guys right now, I just can't say enough. I've been talking about the Brooklyn this. They got care of Speights arguably for two Mex players this summer. I am a lifelong knick fan that will never change. But I got love for the Brooklyn nets. I got love for Brahma. Queasy native y'all born in the Bronx raising Hollis queens since I was one years. Oh, I got love for Brooklyn. She'll got more love for Brooklyn than I do for man. Stand up Brooklyn stand up. Make no mistake about it. And I'm assuming I have a been the all year, I'm going into one of these games though up here. Buckley's thin a book up. Here comes Stephen. Hey, I miss them. Both of those games. But I'm telling you. These brothers can play. They got hurt days scared. They got skills. They believe in one another they play together. This selfless kidding. I Cus done a hell of a job. He's done a hell of a job. Is. So that that that Popovich Trie those cats that come from the Spurs, listen. Popovich is so phenomenal to me. I'm not gonna loud you. I'm waiting for Beckingham and to get a job. I mean, she'd probably be better than most of the men on again in a game, if Popovich's pedigree makes any sense. I mean, this is not a Bill Bill issue where you guys that played coached for him, go elsewhere and dope. Reduce. No, that's not the case here. We'll Popovich now. People that come from history handle their business. You know? So a more to donate a hell of a job in Brooklyn. I just can't say enough about the Brooklyn nets. I really really, but you ain't supposed to win this series. Not after the Sixers winning got Butler Tobias Harris to air with Joel. And being Ben Simmons and JJ reading and Bo Bon has been Paul to. I mean, this is still at students. You can't lose the series. Sixers play tonight. They better win you go down. Oh to to the Brooklyn nets. Let me go. Don Meredith on you, turn the lie. The Pau these over they say that all good things must. Yes. I said it I can't sing. But dammit, I'm singing I'm telling you six got to win this game tonight. They got to win this game. I don't trust them to come back from an oath to deficit. Don't trust them. I can see them going to Brooklyn steel at one and regaining home could event is I don't trust them to be out. Oh, two and come back and win this series not against this. Brooklyn. Nets team. This has the makings of the pelicans versus the blazers last year written all over this. When they're blazes got swept. Speaking on a place. Let me say this. I want to thank Damian Lillard for sit down with me last week. When I did my support a special it almost none of y'all knew about what's coming. But I'm doing it every game during the NBA finals, I will be doing a sports in a special from seven to eight PM that every game night of the NBA finals, I'll be hosting the special sports in addition on the NBA farms. Let me say this. Lizanne mom about say something that's going to knock your socks off. John. Are you looking at me? This is the point. I don't want you to fall out your team. We all know that I believe Steph. Curry is the greatest shooter in the history of basketball. I think they're Steph curry and Klay Thompson, there's the best shooting Basque backward in the history of backward and of history. Best ball, I believe they're Klay. Thompson is one of the top five shooters of all time, the lack of respect that he gets is basketball, criminality. Klay Thompson is that great of a shooter so much. So that the warriors. No it in their priority is keeping him and stuff together. More than it is keeping Kevin Durant, even though Kevin Durant wants to stay. He could they'll find the money to pay him because he's Kevin Durant. Who bought away should not have foolishly? Gotta check from the game on Saturday. Even I don't think that was a foul that that was a tech that should have been called the gets them. I do understand. Let me say this. Kevin durant? Can't find himself getting teased up twice getting a jacket from game. When all you need is six before seventh. One will get you suspended for game. See Draymond green years back when they lost the title to Cleveland because dre bond green got suspended forgetting five when they were up three one. Because they had a clue to Cavs out. And the broad never would've wanted championship. You Cleveland if Draymond green had got suspended for that game. That's right. I said not to talk about the Broncos. You're not in the playoffs. So I want to give him a reprieve until October. But I will tell you this. I say all of that about Steph to say this John J C, which I'll listen to me. Steph Curry's a greatest shooter that I've ever seen. He's a superstar. And as terms of point guards because of what he brings to the table and the fear factor. He instills in you because of his lethal marksmanship. He's the number one guard I would pick no question, but John J C. Let me be very clear. Damian Lillard deserves to be first team this year first team all NBA. Did y'all know that Damian Lillard has only missed four percent of his games as in taka rear. This is the seventh season. He's missed twenty four games. John know that he was twenty four games a seven years. Did you know that did you know that Damian Lillard is averaging twenty six and seven this year? Did you know that the blazers of one over fifty games whose Damian Lilly playing with? So he's got Nurkic who's now out for the year. And he's got CJ McCollum. And you know, I mean who else does he have? What am I missing guys because somebody helped me out because nobody helped me understand this Damian Lillard at we're talking about here. For Ruch amino MAURICE heartless who stupidly went for steel ended up giving up a three late in the game that he didn't have to Steph got K D. He's got clay hell now, he's got DeMarcus cousins, I got news for you Damian Lillard I'm not talking about he's better than Steph covering on because there's only one Steph curry, but I'm just saying based on this year's production. Damian Lillard deserves all offers team MBA. He actually does. I mean, when I went to interview a couple a catch, the blazers was making an argument, I got into you. I was relatively speechless. I couldn't deny it because you know, me I was willing to tell Dave to a space got number. Love you, bro. But I can't put you ahead of stuff. And they were like this wait a minute there. You could make an argument all day every day about who's better than I get that part. But in terms of the season each has had when you look at the personnel that Damian Lillard has had to play with and the personnel list of couriers at the plate with and you see the season at the blazers have had how Damian Lillard all MBA. I team. And I said, you know, what? Damn. I actually don't have a comeback for that. That's a damn good point. Damian Lillard all MBA first team in life was max deal. But it's bought away. He ain't interested in leaving poll. Going to be real interested. Add to give Damian Lillard some love. Russell westbrook. I love Russell Westbrook. Could you please start with the nonsense? Doing the interviews. Did not asking you about your personal life. These reporters are asking Russell, Westbrook purely basketball questions. What's the problem? They asked him about a running the game. You play the game of basketball. It's in your contract to do post game interviews next question. Next question next question. The hell would it? Don't call the Russell Westbrook anymore. Calling. Russell rosenhaus. Take it back from drew Rosenhaus years ago with Teo next question next next question. What's the problem? What is the problem? It's basketball. These are the reasons why people fear folks getting exorbitant amount of dollars because they fear how acerbic and cantankerous you may get once, you know, money is not a concern that you have anymore, but a true professional. Shows up an answers those questions about basketball. Anytime you ask the greatest ever, Michael Jordan. Did it the greatest today? Michael, jordan. Lebron James does it Colby did in another's? You ask a basketball question? They gave you a basketball answer. Russ. I don't give a damn about. How servic Russell Westbrook can be. I happen to believe. He's a very good guy. Just highly competitive, and I personally love him. Because I love his real nece but come on, bro. It's basketball questions. That's all the just ask you basketball questions you better than that it eight say ESPN that's eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six. You listening to Steven A ESPN radio ESPN news, by the way should a beauty of spring season. 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First of is though probably doesn't have Houston or go to stadium. This way. Do think he can make it to the finals. And I'm yada, yada. You say how do you say he won't have Houston or Golden State in his way, not to make it to the finals? Nothing mega to western finals. I'm sorry. Okay. 'cause he's going to have to play. He's go to who. Would they play in the second round? And the second loan, it'd be okay. She'll. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably right. I don't see. I don't see. I don't see. I don't see San Antonio beaten. I don't see San Antonio beat. Neither one of those things believe it or not. And Secondly, my second question is who too I'm a DC mater, so who John wall and Bradley Beal who do they need to help them. Oh, lord. You want me to tell you. I think they need more than anything. Coach. Yes. And Amy Kevin Durant. Wink, wink, wink, coming home when he coming home. That that's my issue with it. First of all, we don't even know if John wells don't play next year because bad enough he got injured, you know, playing on the court. What have you exacerbated his injuries? But then he slipped at home. So as a result because of that he's not that you know, he might be in danger of missing the entire twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty season. Honestly believe that you cut you off on people believe DC, we need a Gordon Hayward. We need a three we need a wing player that can help. Brent Bradley Bill. I'm not saying, I'm not I'm sorry. What is Kevin Durant? Oh, definitely. But but his his his price bracket is to say, what do you think they're price say, Gordon? Hey was in the midst of a one hundred twenty one million dollar contract. Two hundred million. I know that, but it's still living in the midst of one hundred what do you have to give if you if you the wizard you barely have any capital, and you certainly don't have any pieces to acquire him, particularly with John wall being hurt because of John wall was healthy. Then you make a decision between him. And Beal you keep one you move to other for value. But you don't have that that you don't have that. Where does that leave you? Where's it stuck in a rut, man? It's a rough situation in the nation's capital, which is widely could cost for the job. I felt bad for Ernie Grunfeld who I go back with more than two decades. But thirty one years is an executive you've never wanted an NBA championship. Even though you can't pretty close with the New York Knicks. The reality is is that the most glaring situations on Ernie Grunfeld career year. You could talk about how he didn't respond by down the vici, and you let them get away for just nine million dollars and stuff like that. But the three contracts that stand out with only Grunfeld Gilbert arenas. Your willingness to keep on a portable one hundred plus million dollars, which cost you the non million dollars. You've moved it where you would have had available to keep on Donovan. She was playing well for you. And of course, Jon walls, one hundred and seventy million dollar deal. Those are the three things that along with the contract of coach cop rooks, who's get seven million a year those four things right there cost for this job or anything else. Man that you say that isn't that study? They did the same thing. Scotty brooks. Okay. See when they got rid of James on. Yup. And they put him in Bonn. So isn't that we're not blaming it's gone. Not Berlaymont Scott Brooks. We're not blaming Scott Brooks while I think he coach. But again, he's not an elite coach compared to the coaches that you have out there. Nobody's confused in with that. And I like Scott Brooks. But that's just the truth. Appreciate the call. Thank you, t j you lava Stephen they was up. Hey, how you doing Stephen Ryan? Thank you. But I was just now the whole situation was Russell Wilson Andrei that you see the giants making a move or do you see them staying at six and maybe well, here's the problem. Here's the problem. If you the Seattle Seahawks. What would you demand for Russell Wilson? Because grammy. You're talking about you're talking about a guy in Russell Wilson that is one of the elite quarterbacks in the game of football with about a decade left on his career. So when you look at it from that perspective, maybe that's going to little bit too far. But I would say at least seven more years. He's thirty years old. He's thirty years old. So I'll look at him. And I say to myself excuse me. What would I demand for Russell Wilson? At least the first round possibly to. I could giants and and some of the player assets. That's how valuable Russell Wilson is to winning football games. That's how valuable he is. So I would have to look at him differently. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Is worth it at that point. I think Russell Wilson is worth it. I don't think the giants have two assets to get him from Seattle. But then again who knows who knows who knows. I would try I can tell you that much. I would definitely definitely try. No question about it. Appreciate the call. Joe? You'll obviously they talked to me. Joe you live on the air. Go ahead. Yes. I was wondering if LeBron doesn't come to LA does Luke Walton keep his job. I don't know. How do we know that? What if the broadening LeBron didn't come to LA, but they still laws games this year and the pants just turn against the Lakers organization because executive year of not making the policies. We don't know the answer to that question. You're out of the way. No more questions about LeBron. He's not in the playoffs. Let's talk about people. That's in the players. The Broncos not in the players. Did you know that? He's not a place. So let's let's give him right because he has friends in Hollywood who will remain nameless. Who I'm very familiar with. And they said Stephen A now LeBron is not in the playoffs. There's no need to talk about him. Why? Because God forbid that I actually am remotely critical about the play it at. I says belongs on mount Rushmore and is one of the top three plays in NBA history. Forget all of that forget that. I say that because I didn't say glowingly I didn't say it with a smile on my face. I didn't say him by showering and with roses. And what have you? I'm gonna Braun hate it. Did you know that did you know that? So rather than us talk about it. So Stephen there. There's no reason to talk about LeBron James, you know, what you're right. I don't wanna talk about him. Anyway, you know in the playoffs. So rather than talking about LeBron? Let's talk about somebody else. What else you want to know? That's all I wanted. Just your expertise on it. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks so much Cordell. You'll obviously when they talk to me. Even they were. So I'm talking. I'm good talk to me man, you live on air. I'm talking about the Boston Celtics with you on the up, and they can still make it to the what could eat your concerts final. No. No, I haven't jumped off the ship. I pick to go to the finals before the season began. And I haven't jumped off that ship yet. Shaky as it looks right now because Milwaukee looks awesome about matter of fact, the Detroit Pistons, why don't you just quit? Why don't you all just go away? I mean, just just go. I mean without Blake Griffin. You don't even you it on. You don't have a chance to win a quarter without Blake Griffin. And that's all they've got leaked. And let us says. I mean my God, Brooke Lopez's stepping away shooting threes from thirty feet. I'm mean, they will up ninety five to fifty four. I mean, I'm just saying the no question, but they were up ninety five fifty call Buddha hoses clearly the coach of the year clearly to coach of the year. But you look at the way they play defense. You look at everything going on. I mean my God what's talk about. Why even bother with this first round series? This'll be a mercy rule what's happening because they really should. There's your look just give. Let's not waste our time. Don't don't do this to Detroit don't expose them to this kind of of massacre. Don't do that. Don't do. My question. Oh, my. Milwaukee. What about Toronto than any other wanted to Rondo concentrate on beating Orlando my man Damon? Joel my man Damon Jones picked Orlando to win that series and Demi he don't look like a fool. Lantos lengthy athleticism the way they went after it with the play of DJ Augustine who clearly are play Colla game. One twenty five zero to be exact I mean, listen to run they've got a problem Toronto's got a problem CR. Calm. And you would think that the consoles of the world the Lowry's of the world that Danny grease vanfleet of the world would do something. But when it came down to it, it was about co wild let it even Siaka could it be found, and guess what that's not going to be enough against Orlando. That's not going to be enough political young team. That's not going to be enough against Orlando. I mean to tell you. So let's keep that in mind. Predate the call, man. Thank you so much at at eight say ESPN, it's two nine three seven seven six. We'll come back with your call before we get on outta here in the minute. You're listening to Steven A ESPN radio, by the way. Congratulations to my man. Michael k down one of the Greco the Michael Kay show. What they're doing number it winning in New York City for ESPN ninety eight point seven FM in New York. They're winning. I'll let them give you the details. What congratulations to my brothers the handling their business with do y'all would do it, by the way. If you missed any of today's show, check out on demand in the Stephen a Smith podcast brought to you by the Capital One. Save a car or four percent cashback on dining entertainment, two percent of grocery stores and one percent of all of the purchases. Hey, hey, what's in your wallet? Just what you're in the middle of the Stephen with show podcast. Devon. Oh. Give me one more. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Quote, by INSEE on home insurance with progressives. New homequote explorer only at progressive dot com. Couple of news items. I wanted to point to number one the president of the United States. Mr. Donald Trump has decided that he is going to award the presidential medal of freedom for those of you don't know the presidential medal of freedom and award bestowed by the president of the United States that and congressional gold medal or the highest villian awards of the United States. The presidential medal of freedom is going to be awarded to Mr. Tiger Woods. Medal of freedom recognizes individuals who have made quote in especially meritorious contribution to the security national interests of the United States were peace cultural of a significant public or private endeavors, laser gentlemen. Tiger Woods deserves. It. I mean, you can say what you want about the president's intentions if you want who knows what they are. But there's no question when you consider what tiger has meant to golf, particularly proliferating and elevating the interest from Norwich communities in this in the sport of golf. I think it's undeniable kind of impacted Tiger Woods has had. And you gotta give props to where it's do the other thing. I wanted to say was. April fifteen this is a day. Jackie Robinson day. A major league baseball. Those are you don't know this day is a traditional event occurs annually. A major league baseball commemorating and honoring the day. Jackie Robinson, made his major league debut, integrating this water baseball that was opening day April fifteenth nineteen forty seven. Where we are what we're doing. What minorities in this country has achieved trials and tribulations that we've overcome very few people on this planet earth. Do we have to be more grateful for two? Than leguay. Jackie Robinson point that out. Rob. You live is even a real quick go. So Steven A. Al just want to say, congratulations to my man. Tiger woods. He's doing things and golf that. If you wanted to compare him to Jordan, you could as far as accolades, but I'll ask you as one black man to another. Why is we the black community don't really claim tiger like that because Tiger Woods never wanted to claim us. And I think that you know, folks, all over black white and beyond show tiger wood a lot of love a lot of support. But Tiger Woods didn't even want rugby recognized as black that would be my answer to that question. And obviously black folks are not going to forget that. But it doesn't mean that there's a dissipated level of appreciation for his greatness in. What he puts on display. Oh what he's put on display yesterday and the day before when he was put on display for the first part of his career from the late nineties through to two thousand and eight what we saw from him over that period of time. Nobody denies is just that he certainly didn't wanna claim us and that would have something to do with it. Nobody's ever accused Michael Jordan of that nor should they got to get out of here. But I'll be back in twenty two hours until then Stephen on and off piece of lover of dash just a sample of what you'll hear on the Stephen swift show, weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and ESPN.

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Headlines: 4/6/20

Daily Detroit

11:50 min | 4 months ago

Headlines: 4/6/20

"Steely Detroit is brought to you by the community support our work at Petri dot com slash daily Detroit putting together. Today's top stories made me wonder if we're living in a badly written horror movie. We're not this is real. And this is a headline edition of your daily Detroit for Monday. April six twenty twenty. I'm Harris days. Normally we get started with numbers but this news is just in Mr Tiger Detroit. Tigers legend alkaline has died. He was eighty five. The cause of death is not confirmed. As of this recording late Monday afternoon he spent twenty two seasons on the field and many more of in service of the Tigers and the fans of Detroit. The Baltimore born Kaelin. Spent twenty two years on the field and many off it in service of the Tigers and the fans of Detroit. He was elected the first year. He was eligible to the baseball hall of fame. One of the few players in baseball history to ring up three thousand hits and he hit three hundred ninety nine home runs. He also spent years in the broadcast booth and he was one of the voices of the Tigers for a whole generation of detroiters including myself. I'm sure we're going to get into this more with a future show but one to let you know about this one on to the rest of the stories. Michigan's confirmed corona virus cases. Now stand at seventeen thousand two hundred twenty one along with seven hundred twenty seven deaths the jump of one hundred ten fatalities in one day from Sunday till today is the largest since the pandemic hit the Great Lakes State. According to numbers crunched by Motor City muckraker. The city of Detroit's nearly two hundred deaths and more than five thousand cases make its death rate higher than New York City. The national pandemics epicenter. Although New York still has far more cases and deaths as far as fatality rate. Detroit is not doing well right now although the virus strikes all races in age groups forty-one percent of death so far are of African Americans for context. Only fourteen percent of the state's population is African American. Among all races and ages fifty nine percent of fatalities are men. There are nearly thirty four hundred cases in Oakland County more than thirty two hundred in the rest of Wayne and nearly twenty two hundred cases in mccomb many area hospitals are just days away from running out of personal protection equipment. Think fe shields gloves gowns and masks and we will talk a little bit more about that during a story later in the show and other Corona Virus News Governor Gretchen. Whitmer said at a news conference today that almost as many people are filing in one day for unemployment as those who did during the worst week of the great recession the state's unemployment website has been hit with outages and was taken off line for a while a Friday night upgrade capacity for ten ninety nine workers and independent contractors there are apparently some holdups between levels of government whitmer said that she's waiting on the US Department of Labor to issue rules and an authorization to get those folks help as those additional benefits are paid for by the federal government violating the governor. Stay home stay safe. Order used to be a five hundred dollar fine well. That's been doubled late last week. The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services Director. Robert Gordon made a civil penalty. One thousand dollars through his own executive order. This also applies to orders that forbid large gatherings and non essential business. Detroit may national news for a large-scale eight week. Clinical trial of hydroxy chloroquine. It'll be conducted by Henry Ford Health Systems and will be done with three thousand volunteer first responders and healthcare workers although there have been some preliminary studies in other countries. There has been a full-scale trial to see if the anti malarial drug actually impacts the corona virus participants will get a one week dose of hydroxy chloroquine or a once a day dose of a placebo. And they won't know what group they're in. The drug itself is from the Food and Drug Administration and will not impact the amount available for those who take it for other things like lupus rheumatoid arthritis and prevent and treat malaria. I will recommend another podcast. Check that out specifically science verses from the Gimmick Folks Output Lincoln the show notes. Great show the now one thousand bed field hospital at the center should be ready to start. Accepting patients. This Thursday there will be two floors one of six hundred beds for seriously ill patients and one with four hundred beds for those recovering. Dmc Sinai Grace Hospital continues to have staffing and equipment. Shortfalls only heightened by the stress of dealing with more than one hundred Kovic nine hundred patients per day just before midnight on Sunday night. Seven nightshift nurses did a sit in protest to raise concerns about personal protection. Gear the number of workers and lack of equipment. They were then sent home by management before their shift. The day shift stayed on and worked twenty four hour clock to support their co workers so allegedly. How bad is it there? The nurses say that there's one of them for every twenty patients. That patients are spaced out in the hallways and the hospital only has about fourteen ventilators to handle hundreds of cove in nineteen patients. Who Need Them? Some of the issues were reported on previously before the crisis but are now only enhanced. Dmc sign is located on outer drive just west of the lodge in the city of Detroit and its plight highlights the severe inequity in America's healthcare system between areas of wealth and areas of poverty additionally the Detroit Medical Center who runs multiple hospitals in the region as of this recording is not sharing data around how many patients they have with covert nineteen or how many of their workers are sick. Either DMC used to be a nonprofit system but was sold to afford prophet and then turned around and sold again to current owners tenant healthcare when it became a for profit. A legacy board was created to oversee that the for profit companies held up their end of the bargain as far as investments and the community mission. Well they raised numerous concerns in a report last year. They're twenty nineteen report says that the DMC hospitals have performed poorly on basic patient safety and quality inspections and there were reports of negative patient outcomes because of staff reductions among many other issues according to a free press report at the time. Tenet denied those allegations and took out full page ads in local newspapers to tout their investments to improve what they call. Frontline care you mix of this drama with a national shortage of ventilators personal protection gear and more and you have some of the recipe for why Detroit is among the hottest spots for cove nineteen cases and fatalities in the United States. As to the sit in the night nurses plan to return back to work tonight. Representatives from around the state will be traveling to lansing vote in person. Do Extend Governor Gretchen whitmer declaration and on the eve of that vote another state lawmaker has tested positive for cove in nineteen state representative Karen Whitsitt a Democrat from Detroit. Who represents the ninth district has contracted the disease? A statement says. She's on the other side of her illness to other Detroit. Reps have dealt with the current virus representative. Tyrone Carter was diagnosed a week ago and representative Isaac Robinson died of cove in nineteen the age of forty three. So back to the vote at hand. The governor has asked for a seventy day extension of the State Emergency Declaration which would not mean seventy days of shelter in place but would mean a continuance of her broader executive powers. But it's widely believed that the Republican controlled legislature may only grant until April thirtieth when they'd have to convene again possibly during the largest speak of the pandemic locally. There has been a legal debate whether the legislature can meet and vote virtually like most other governing body statewide. Half some believe the vote legally has to be in person others things that they're at asides firm urgency situations but the vote is going forward as of this recording for his part speaker of the House. Republican Lee Chatfield says there will be a process to have as few as possible lawmakers in the Capitol building at any given time. There are a couple of prominent local people who've passed away due to cove in nineteen I two traits corned beef king. You might have known them. As Mr Foe foe but Otis Napoli was known for his giant corned beef sandwiches Mac and cheese and other downright tasty food that were slung out of his midtown. Deli from the early nineteen seventies until two thousand seven. I gotta say as a longtime townie. I remember that place and it was quite good. He had retired and moved to Florida in recent years but he came back to help his son opened. A reincarnation of the unlit annoyed by seven mile it did not make it through the rebuilding of Libranoy. That happened last year. Mr Lee was seventy two years old. Second Brenda Perryman. Died of cove in nineteen. She was an educator. Coach director playwright and producer. She taught high school and College. Level speech and drama and retired from. Southfield High School in two thousand ten. She then started her own actors workshop and hosted a show on W. H. PR table talk with Brenda Perryman in a dose of sad irony. Her last public facebook status is mourning the loss of fellow community leader. Marlow stoudamire to the corona virus. A death we talked about here on this very podcast. The Detroit Grand Prix has been canceled for twenty twenty. It'll return in June of next year. According to a press release with the pact event schedule on the island no suitable dates could be found. For the event. Later this year it will be another hit to the local event economy beyond the cancellation of the twenty twenty North American International Auto. Show for less story in the run down. Here something fun tomorrow. Night April seventh. There is a super moon to check out from your balcony or backyard. A Superman happens when the moon's orbit is close to Earth and at the same time it is full look bigger and brighter than usual something to look forward to go out there and enjoy it. I definitely plan to all right a few things coming in your feeds a conversation with Tom Lawrence about the vs going on around the Internet about five G. and we talk about the science of what's actually going on with the Cell Towers plus media analyst Matt. Friedman joins me and then talk about a Meta topic how this corona virus pandemic has impacted local media. And what the future might hold before I let you go. I want to remind you that daily Detroit is funded by our members on Patriots how we keep independent and fearless if you can. This is where you step in. We have stickers and rocks glasses coming for members which I am very excited about. You can join Matt Allen Tony Jennifer and Kevin and Sean at Patriotair Dot com slash daily. Detroit it really does make a big difference in covering the bills to make this all local show possible with that. I'm jared day is to care of each other and we'll get through this together.

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Eliminating Back Pain Naturally

Strong By Design Podcast

17:59 min | 1 year ago

Eliminating Back Pain Naturally

"We believe that you are strong by design, and you were made in God's image to have a strong body mind and spirit your listening to the number one strengthen health authority podcasts in the world. So let's get ready to unlock your potential and transform your life. In today's episode. Guess who's back Brian and Chris are back talking about the back. He said he had something good. I was in eager anticipation over here. Well, this is just looking at me right now. Like, I got into my head though. Then then shady's back. Yeah. I got I got feeling this teaser for next week's episode is all about the back everything about the back. The good the bad and the mug -ly Dont'a. Tom co host Branka kopecky sitting next to co host Chris Wilson with the strong by design podcast. That's it. Hopefully, you're having an incredible day. I hope you are just ready for the weekend. And because I know we are and the thing here at a critical bench were a publishing company. We have incredible jobs. We love what we do. So we don't really look forward to the weekends. Because we look forward to every day. Yeah. Because our schedules are so loose. We get to wear shorts t shirts, we work out at the here at the compound. We just level we do. So we don't look forward to the weekends. We look forward every day of the week right there. There's kind of no like Monday people always have the Mondays right? It's monday. Mike, dude. Monday for me oftentimes feels like Friday, you know, and they can't take this the wrong way. We love our families. We love our wives. We love our children, and we love to to be together. But we love what we do here too. And so every day is Friday as far as I'm concerned every day that day to celebrate to be extra excited to be in a good mood. We are able to touch the lives of people thousands of people all around the world, many of whom will never meet. But in what we do how we live our lives how we interact with each other and bring all this positive. Medians energy into our our daily work experience. It's just a such a great vibe. And we get to share it with you. And so we thank you so much for taking the time to listen, and yeah, we got we got talk about the back a little bit, man. Share the with the listeners a little bit of your own recent back woes, I you know, just just last week. You're you're kind of ripped up a little bit. Yeah. For we dive into that segue and back into a cursor talking about if you have found this podcast to be helpful in anyway. Yeah. Please let us now by leaving us a five star review. We would love to hear your compliments your concerns. Your questions your praises, whatever you want to leave us in the review section. We would greatly. Appreciate that. So let's get right into the back Selassie week. Actually, it was about three weeks ago. I took a little quick weekend trip to Nashville for a little business seminar. And I don't like traveling. I I love. The idea of traveling put just traveling what it does on the body you sit ally, especially if we're going to like a work function. So that entire weekend between car rides plane rides seminars doing podcasts sitting down for work. I mean, I was just sitting nonstop and my body's not used to city in that much, especially on the weekends. So if you think, you know, you're you're working from Monday to Friday, most of the time it sitting in seat of position. And then I'm going Friday Saturday Sunday still seated in an airplane seminar. Yeah. And then you go the entire next week. So you're pretty much sitting down for almost ten twelve days. So anyways, long story short as I did something on my back through that whole sequence of sitting and it put me down and out. And I was like man, I know exactly I didn't do one thing that caused my back to be angry with me was just like a culmination of everything of just sitting. So what I did is. I did exactly what I knew. Best isn't that's go to like pretty much crisis mode to treat back pain now friend of ours. Emily, Laura has this incredible back pain sequence routine? It's called back to life. Now. Her back pain program. I didn't follow it verbatim. But I studied enough to know which exercises works best for me, which sequence works best for me and also being a strength coach and functional movement specialists. I integrated some stuff that I knew just from years of experience and education again long story short. I had back pain. I remedy that through exactly what I needed to do which was pretty much back pain therapy. So that's what we next week's episode. Is you had the privilege of interviewing Emily? Yeah. It was fantastic. I just I actually had met her briefly. The I think it was the night before while we were out in San Diego. And there was a an event that was packed. Think that was that it was on the the rooftop there of I forget what's the name of that hotel and everybody like staying at now the end to end as and I recognize Ursus I saw her. She's very tall. Great big smile. Beautiful woman. And I'm like, Emily, and she looks at me for a second. Not quite sure who she's looking at. And I said Chris Wilson critical bench will be overseen each other tomorrow. And she's like oh gosh. And Sony way. We just said Hello for a minute. And then the next day she comes and we had a wonderful conversation. So nice really getting the know her and sitting down, you know, when you get to sit down across the table from someone and just focus on them. And what they're talking about. It's wonderful. How many times do we actually do that without any distraction in life anymore? You know in recent times, people are looking at their phones or they're looking at this. They're preoccupied. So it's great to sit down and have this this one on. One conversation where you're digging deep. You're getting some personal information about someone and and they're helping her story is fantastic machines in a nasty accident as as young girl and had a a really bad back injury. Mega, you know, spinal problems here going on right? And this affected her impacted her for over a decade, and she could not get out of paint. She could not and the breaking point was when she went to a specialist at basically said, you know, without surgery. This is your life. This is what your life looks like unless we get in there that was her the tipping point where she's like, there's just no way. I know what the statistics say when you start cutting in someone's back, and so she utilized all her Politis and yoga and all of her training experience to create her own program to get herself out of pain, and she's been pain-free for for ten. Years now, and that's pretty yeah. Pretty miraculous. Really, right. You know, this get somebody who's twelve years old and a major car accident and lived in pain for over ten years fifteen years, and then got to a point where I just I'm not going there. I'm not gonna let a physician's. I don't wanna I don't wanna knock physicians. I just wanna you know, back surgery and stuff does not have a really good outcome. Most surgeries most surgeries don't. So if there's a natural way to fix a problem to get to the root of the problem. And usually it's through our body can heal itself if we just set it up properly, and it's amazing what movement and the right movements and the right sequence of movements. Yeah. It's it's definitely a lot more delicate and complex and a lot of people make it. However, there are certain knowns and unknowns that the body accepts I go. Chiropractor. I go to him probably at least once or twice a month. This guy's like, Mr. Maguy. Yeah, we call. We call him the Christian, which Dr Christian guy loves the Lord. But he is the most brilliant kind of off the wall kind of guy, and he's gonna be on our podcast. I'm going to interview him in the next couple of weeks at some point. We he's a good friend of mine. I know him pretty well. But anyways, I just ask him questions. Every time I go in there because he has so much information. He's not anti surgery, but he's anti-serb ary as any of the the options except dead last night. Like, he'll tell you straight up. He says I've done everything I can do there is nothing else. That can be done surgery is your only option and held completely say that, you know, straight face and be like, I hate to say, but yeah, I know other holistic doctors that operate that way. They will do everything they can to get to the root cause and fix you. As you know, naturally, but there are situations. That can't that. That's not the way to go. So. Thank you so much for listening to the strong design podcast, if you're enjoying today's show, please subscribe. So you don't miss any future episodes. Go too strong by design podcasts dot com. Let's get back to the show. You think about it? It's it's either you keep putting duct tape on something holding it together or you rip the duct tape off let it fall apart. Swap out the parts. Yeah. I mean, what what chiropractic care does is they go to the root issue. They say this is the problem, you're radiators, corroding, whatever. And then they repair through sequence of adjustments and other new age medical devices that pretty much not doesn't replace. But it repairs back to its original state. It's it's new state. Yeah. It's it's just regenerating and re growing the body and the body is totally capable of doing this. I mean, the body you break a bone. What happens? They don't give you a new bone. They set the bone back to where it needs to be. And then your body body heals itself. So the body is very capable of healing itself. It's just that you have to set it up the right way. And that's what Emily's program back to life. She. She wanted to share this with the world, and this is relatively new stuff here. I mean this. We're only talking a few years here. She developed this based on her own personal experience. And there was some trial and error there, of course. But she came to this conclusion like this works. This is keeping me back, you know, a pain free. Now, my back has felt better than it's ever felt since I was a small child. So I it's I think it's just fantastic that you know, that we were able to sit down with her. We've created our own back stuff in the past. We have the fixed my back pain program that we did with injury specials Ricca cells years ago, which is also based on a sequential run, you know, step by step series of movements now, and we also have come out with two additional product three additional products crunch Lewis core, which is a core building program that is safe for the spine. Granted it's a little bit more. Tense. It's more athletically designed yes. But it's intense, but it saves the back without doing crunches and sit ups because those are two exercises that are completely off limits. It should not be in your radar at all. And then we developed unlock your gluts which strengthens gluts in the gluts have a direct play and pull on the pelvis and lower back. It's all connected and then enter thi- solution. Yeah. There everything within the core of your body. Yeah. Your core. I'm not talking your apps. I'm not talking your stomach. I'm talking your core. Which is your abdominals Europe leaks here ribcage muscles. You're breathing muscles your posture muscles, your gluts, your ad doctors, your abdomen abductors are gluts. But all of these muscles, basically, everything from the top year ribs to the top your knees pretty much is our core muscles. And if you do have weak muscles in those regions. There is a strong chance that you will encounter back pain. It might not be now am I not be next week? But it will. Happen at some point because your back is so delicate so easily controlled by all these muscle groups, the back should not be doing the heavy lifting. Your back is all four support all for breathing and offer balance our friends over move. You had a great Instagram the other day recent Dr Mike, and and the Andrew there, so great. We love them over move you. But they had something talking about the same thing where you get these overdeveloped back muscles and underdeveloped gluten muscles. And and what happens problems lipid this? Yeah. Resi stuff and pay rigid and your movement. So I don't know where we were going with this. But we're just talking about all the great people. You know, talking is no matter who you ask. Yeah. Educated people people who have skin in the game or years of experience just personal experience. They know how delicate the back is and how poorly trained most people are. And that's why back pain is a result of it. Yeah. Period. That's it. No doubt about it. I mean, look at Mr. Tiger Woods. You know? I'm not I'm not a huge golf fan. But I appreciate it. And look what look what back issues back painted to somebody like him at his level with his his ability to get that corrected and it took him out for years. He wasn't able to perform his best. So if you have back pain, you're listening right now know that there is hope. No that surgery is not the only option. No that pharmaceutical drugs is not the only option actually those showing the options right now there should be far down wait on a list. And even if you you like, your physician, your general practitioner, if even if you like them, get a second opinion, go somewhere else think outside the box car, practic care holistic practitioners, even physical therapist, and even athlete trainers massage therapist movement. And specialists now I want to go talk to a personal trainer. I probably wouldn't talk to a strength coach, you need to talk to somebody who understands movement, and that's they're going to give you a much different viewpoint than a physician would or a surgeon would and don't get on internet and do your own research if something's bothering you. You gotta fix it. Quick popping, AVI. Pro fin quit trying to follow along with these these weird YouTube videos, you know, these pincher startles, whatever whatever you get your information from you need to treat pain properly, if you're healthy, then find go, do whatever you want, but pain needs to be treated, correct? And try to find some natural solutions that you can quickly implement like a stand up desk or getting up every every so often in your day every sixty or ninety minutes get up and walk around for five to ten minutes thing based pencils, even the rest ice compression elevation. I mean, if you've got acute trauma to your local. Our back give it a rest. You know? It's inflamed. You don't need to pop some pro Finn and try to work it out for movement. Let the inflammation go down. And then say what happened? You know? You're pretty much gonna car accident. Like you go step by step. The the friends team comes out they say, all right? You did this this this this is what happened? They know. All these things that that they got to the root. They figured out. What happened why it happened and how could be prevented from happening again? Same thing. If you pull your back, and you don't know what you did go back and replaying your mind what happened. All right for me. I was sitting down a lot. I knew exactly what I was doing my hip flex retied. I lost rotational mobility, just by sitting muscles were tight. And then I kinda jump back into my gaze a routine you were trying to if Finn in a lot of exercise while you're on that trip. Yeah. But it didn't overcome all the sitting that you had been doing right? Yeah. Yeah. So just know that there is hope for you and Emily's episode next week with Chris is definitely going to give you. You really good grasp on how to help fix back pain and start the process of healing your back pain. I get him. I not happen overnight. Yeah. It might not happen in a week. But you gotta start somewhere. If you live in pain, the last thing, you wanna do is live in pain. Yeah. No doubt about it. Be sure to tune in. You'll absolutely love, Emily. And her story, I found it fascinating. And she's just a delight to sit with and get to know fantastic fantastic person. Thank you so much for listening to today's Minneapolis owed on the strong by design podcast, your co hosts coach Chris with the man the myth the legend man could run coach front here. You can't see me. But it's me. Your looking good, buddy. Looking good. All right. We'll be talking to you real soon. Agree. We can everybody. 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Will Liverpool Be Given The Premier League Title?

The Lead

23:24 min | 4 months ago

Will Liverpool Be Given The Premier League Title?

"Before Corona virus brought sports to a halt Liverpool was having a historically great season a huge lead in the premier league and. We're just about to clinch their first title in three decades today the athletics. David Ornstein joins us to explain how the Premier League is now desperately trying to find a way to finish the current season. Why some owners are now taking heat and what cancellation could mean for. Liverpool's title hopes the length of time. They've waited for this title. The dominance they've shown in marching towards it. It'd be absolutely devastating from wondering athletic. I'm can beat the Davidsons and I'm it's Tuesday April seventh and this is the it felt like something rate was something of emotion on the past. Because now you pay good this. This isn't a story here. The athlete it stays with the lead is supported by light box. Have you heard about light box lab grown diamonds? They hacked a billion year process to grow stunning lab. 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Waiting as early as Liverpool have been this season they have actually hit the buffers a little bit of late they lost in the Champions League to Athletico Madrid. They slipped up in the premier league. Losing their unbeaten run away to what food when they were you know on cost to emulate task knows feat of becoming invincible through an entire league campaign on beats in Time Voice Long Day then Chelsea in the FA Cup so this break was actually interesting timing because livable world rashly starting to slow up a little bit but otherwise they were much untouchable and of course this is a team in a fan base. That has been waiting forever for a championship thirty years. Yeah goes back to nineteen ninety a time before the premier league had even started a time where football looked and was completely different to what it is now if you told them when they were the dominant force in nineteen ninety that have to wait fifty years nobody would have believed you but of course their current title hopes are on hold because of Corona virus and David just stepping back for a second you know the UK hasn't exactly been praised for its handling of the pandemic from day one. The government's approach has been complacent. It's being over dependent on specialists and medical opinion. It's under appreciated the importance of taking the public with you. I'm being totally open. Honest and transparent. What are the shutdown process? Look like for the Premier League. Were there things about that? That felt mishandled to you. It started well because all of the authorities were on the same page. Prioritizing health Saying all the right thing singing from the same hymn sheets but I was curious as time went on whether egos competing agendas would start to emerge and that's proved to be the case and now when we reflect on that period the start it wasn't handled. Well the premier league tried to squeeze in one more round of fixtures when leagues across Europe. Were going either behind closed. Doors or stopping altogether in England asked no head coach Mikaela tetter and Chelsea winger callum Hudson a doorway have tested positive for the virus. Meanwhile and they were denied the chance to squeeze in that final round of fixtures because the head coach. Mikaela tighter and Chelsea winger callum Hudson both tested positive for corona virus and that shot down the league even at that point there were statements and briefing saying they're still going to try and go ahead with it but then a couple of team said they wouldn't be playing this weekend and then the decision was taken out of their hands essentially and you know since they halted play in the premier league like every Pro Sports League. They've really been agonizing over what to do about the current season. So what are some of the options that have been put on the table in terms of how to finish the current? Well they're a full limitless possibilities out there. It would seem one of them. That's been mooted in the British media has been to get everyone together. All the teams oldest stuff all the referees in a sterile environment check none of them have got corona virus. Put them into tightly secured hotels where everybody has to stay in camp. No one has contact with the outside world. Go and play these matches that needs to be played at neutral venues and come back to the hotel and just get this season over and done with behind closed. Doors is a huge problem with that. Because you need at matches and medical professionals from the public sector. What if somebody got ill and camp and GOT CORONA VIRUS? Does that bring the whole idea down? So that's kind of been pushed to one side. Some believe we should pick up when it's safe to do so September October. Play the final nine games. Then go straight into the new season but not SCO complications. When would you have the transfer window trading period so every person virtually I speak to has a different opinion but the virus is in control of this situation? And therefore whatever proposals people come up with. We don't know because the situation is so unpredictable. I've even read about the possibility of players going to a country or somewhere in the world that isn't affected by corona virus and playing games and empty stadiums. There is there any realistic possibility of those scenarios happening with speaking to people all the time who are involved in these conversations from executives to communications people to the players to stop two coaches and the suggestion that came from a number of people during this conversation was China who despite the virus to starting there seemed to be coming out of it now and to be the country this pops in the earliest stages of recovery. But this idea is fraught with complications. It was never going to be realistic. And in fact when the premier league executives met on Friday in that most recent meeting that I did didn't even get put on the table ultimately all this is really about money and specifically TV revenue. Can you just give us a sense of what's at stake financially for the owners in all this? It's enormous the reason why the conversations have become so tense fruit in some cases. Bitta in English. Football is because of the money. In England. These clubs in the Premier League rely on the broad cost money for the existence. The reason the primarily has become so big is because of the broadcast contracts. They dwarf the broadcast contracts in virtually every other country and if the season isn't completed Liz a very good chance that the clubs will have to pay back some of the Bro. Costs money that they've already received a many of them have spent the broadcasters. Let's not be naive. They will want some of this money back. Because if they are not showing nine rounds of matches then people are not subscribing to their services if they're not getting their subscribers than not having anything to show they will want some of that money back maybe all of it so this situation has the capacity to bankrupt several clubs not only in the lower leagues in England. Where it's particularly acute and worrying but even in the premier league and it seems like owners are now passing on some of that financial strain because for example a number of clubs have recently furloughed staff members. They primarily clubs our addressing. How am I going to deal with? Non playing staff we saw Newcastle and Spurs. Putting them on furlough people coming out and saying wait a minute. Barcelona GonNa pay all their stuff. One hundred percent thanks to the players. Why is that not being replicated in the Premier League? The big question marks are coming now on the billionaire owners of the very wealthy owners. I should say because the clubs are laying off staff that players are being asked to take pay cuts. Many of their fans are losing their jobs and won't be able to afford tickets in the future etc may not even be able to pay their bills at home a meanwhile the only silent party in this have been the owners and these are the people in theory who have the resources to help their clubs out of this mess. They would argue that have many other business interests but make no mistake. This is the biggest threat that we've seen to British football in living memory. Potentially of all time and coming back to Liverpool recently the Belgian First Division announced that it season was over and they actually named the first place team the champion caught. Bruce has been named the league champion. They already fifteen points ahead of with one game remaining. Bruce Secures a Chevy group stage spot. The second-place Ghencea kid is a third. So let's say the Premier League does the same thing they end the season and give Liverpool the trophy with that feel like justice for most people it would. Yeah I think there's no denying Liverpool have been the best team. There's no denying Liverpool are the champions and other than a bit of local envy jealousy or rivalry from the likes of Manchester United. Their old foes. Everton their local rivals Manchester City. Who have built up Pretty intense competition with them in the last few years. I can't see anybody else. Who would have a problem with with them? Taking that tie to and if they were to cancel the season and decided that there's no champion I mean what would that be like for Liverpool fans? It'd be devastating. The length of time. They've waited for this title. The dominance they've shown in marching towards it. It would be really cruel and I say this is a neutral it'd be really cruel unlivable If they were to be denied the title because of the Corona Virus pandemic and what is Liverpool's head coach? Jurgen KLOPP had to say about all of this yoga control who is a brilliant speaker on all manner of subjects including politics. He's wanted keep himself well away. Politics Goran of ours. Why me ever base and the bench F. F. A. I'm concerned as much as you may. Be Less mature. He was asked about it in a news conference as the pandemic cool the crisis that point was starting to take hold of the world and he said look. Why do you want the views of a football manager? It's not impossible. Famous people famous people. Say No you have to be have to speak about the things in the rise. Mena not people with no knowledge like me talking about something that people with knowledge to talk about and should tell the people since then I think he said he was sent a video of nurses and doctors at a local hospital to Liverpool singing. You'll never walk alone their anthem and it moved him to tears but in terms of the football has been very clear in any utterances. We've heard from him that we should only be thinking about the health of the nation. The world is not a priority. Here's a message from our sponsors ziprecruiter right now. We cannot be overwhelmed. We have to work to keep our loved one safe and protect our communities. We have to work to stay. Strong to stay connected. We have to work to innovate to build new solutions. But for all this to work we have to work together. Ziprecruiter connects employers and people every day. But today different Ziprecruiter is partnering with First Responders. Innovators government officials the medical community manufacturers transportation and food distribution and delivery to make sure they are finding the right people for the right jobs right. Now let's work together. Ziprecruiter DOT com slash work together from one degree. The team behind business. Wars gladiator in the lead. Come sports wars. Are you interested in reliving? Some of the biggest rivalries in sports from Tom Brady peyton manning to the Yankees versus the mets. Some of the most elite athletes of all time have battled their biggest rivals for the chance to go down in history as one of the greats time to figure out which side you're on subscribed to one degree sports words on apple podcasts. Spotify OR WHEREVER. You're listening now. So there are a lot of other scenarios to consider with the Premier League as well not just. Who Wins the title? So let's talk about the promotion and relegation system. What conversations are happening around that right now without said another really divisive topic because promotion from the championship. The second tier in English football is one of the most lucrative prizes. There is in world football. Because you're getting to join the richest club In European football now is the premier league so at the moment Leeds United and West Bromwich Albion or in the promotion positions and they of course didn't want the season to stop in the case of leads. They need it. They have spent heavily. Their finances are really tight. West Bromwich Albion have been up and down in recent seasons between the Premier League over the last ten fifteen years or so and so I think they're in a more stable financial situation in fact Sunday that chief executive took one hundred percent pay-cut during the pandemic and they are not following staff incomes below that the championship has a playoff system for the third promoted team and that playoff match at Wembley is known as the richest matching football Relegation well we don't know that it's it's not realistic to think that there will be no relegation from the Premier League. I mean if there was Norwich city who are guaranteed most to get relegated. That would be the lifeline of a lifetime that they would get to start a season again in the premier league when they would do to be heading back down to the championship. One of the relegation-threatened teams West Ham. That vice-chair Karren Brady has said that the seasons should be null and void. She attracted huge criticism for that. Because obviously it would keep them in the division But these issues are all up in the air. There is no clarity whatsoever again. Lots of recommendations proposals ideas plans but nothing is clear. And then there's of course. Champions League qualification and Europa League qualification and with Man City currently being banned from the Champions League the Fifth Place Team Manchester United would currently make it and the sixth-place team which is currently wolves would make the league. Do we have any idea how all of that will shake out with teams who are currently in those positions who wouldn't be against the season ending they stand to benefit hugely Leicester City here in the top. Three if the seasons null and void and starts again from scratch. Then they wouldn't be. In the Champions League Tottenham would gain that place back because they were in the Champions League for this season so those teams in those positions will be desperate to retain them those who are pushing for those. Those Champions League places will be desperate for the seasons to be finished because the likes of wolves even Sheffield United. Who would have thought it will be thinking that they could make a push for an incredibly unlikely and spectacular. Brilliant Story Place in the Champions League. Lastly David I've seen a lot of simulated final standings flying around where you know statisticians run a bunch of numbers and predict what the final standings in the premier league will be. What do you think should we just put this in the hands of nerds and let them declare who finished first through twentieth in the Premier League this year? The million dollar question in terms of what the statisticians could come out with. I have no idea how pan out on points per game. Basis records against teams this season trajectories to try and find some equitable and fair solution. It may be the the least bad situation which is a phrase that many people raising here at the moment. What is the least bad situation? But frankly any scenario like that where the season is completed. We'll be caused a huge uproar debate legal challenge and it would be carnage bots if we step away from all of this and we realize what's going on in the world and we take genuine perspective and a dose of reality. We realized this is just a game and it really doesn't matter compared to what is happening in hospitals all over the world as we speak or David thank you so much for joining us today and keep well pleasure. Thank you guys take tests? They say you can follow David. Ornstein Premier League coverage at the Athletic Dot Com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead the NFL draft will go on as scheduled later this month in an entirely virtual format. Commissioner Roger Goodell sent a memo to all thirty two teams on Monday saying that the League has reviewed the matter and confirmed that teams will conduct their draft operations remotely with all club personnel working from home the draft was originally scheduled to take place in Las Vegas but all public events were cancelled by the league because of the corona virus. Nfl facilities also remained. Shut down because of the disease. Meanwhile the golf world reshuffled. Its twenty twenty schedule. In response to the pandemic. The Masters Professional Golf's biggest tournament will be played in November and the British open which was scheduled to be played at Royal. St George's was officially cancelled. The PGA championship will now take place in August and the US Open has been moved to September. This new schedule is of course subject to change depending on how things progress with the virus and finally the baseball world lost a legend on Monday. Longtime Detroit Tiger alkaline passed away at the age of eighty five. Mr Tiger played twenty. Two seasons in the majors made fifteen all star appearances and was a ten time gold glove winner in right field. He had some pretty impressive career. Stats racking up. Three thousand. Seven career hits three hundred ninety nine home runs and a two ninety seven career batting average. He was inducted into the baseball hall of fame in Nineteen Eighty. I've been tossing around in my mind. Exactly what it means to be inducted into baseball's hall of fame. Of course. There's the obvious answers whether or not I truly deserved the honor. My name always be will be linked with those of the greatest hitters pitchers fielders managers coaches baseball has ever enjoyed. That's an almost indescribable thrill and no cause of death has been revealed. That's it for today. Thanks for listening. Everyone as always if you like our show please give us a five star rating and tell your friends subscribe from wondering and the Athletic. I'm under skelter Davidson see tomorrow.

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The Sports Reporters - Episode 269 - Player Legacy. MLB Season Possible in AZ? Tiger Misses a Masters

The Sports Reporters

53:05 min | 4 months ago

The Sports Reporters - Episode 269 - Player Legacy. MLB Season Possible in AZ? Tiger Misses a Masters

"Ward Winning Journalists New York Times fillers. No topic out of bounds. No opinion left unsaid. An Institution for sports talk in information. This is the sports reporters. Here's Mike Lupu Mitch. Albom at Bob Ryan The New York Daily News in. Mlb DOT COM. I'm Mitch ALBOM OF THE DETROIT. Free Press and I'm Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe and ESPN and we heartily. Welcome you to the Thursday edition of the sports reporters podcast with each Monday and Thursday in resumption a partnership to begin a couple of days ago. on television on ESPN. But we're very happy to be back together and discussing matters of Sport and gentlemen Story Yesterday that does dominating certainly the news here in in sports news here in Boston and I think elsewhere as well as the. Tom Brady had an extensive to our interview with Howard Stern yesterday. In which a quite a few things tumbled out including the idea. And I'll just start with this thought up and I thought a jump ball up and you guys can go for that. He said he pretty much knew. He was not coming back to New England before the two thousand nine hundred and season started why. I actually think that that was the thing that struck me. Second first thing that struck me as he doesn't care about his legacy that would fall into the category of something like the kind of lie that the president would tell the five o'clock briefing every day. You know you guys have heard me say this the great line from the Old George. Young when they say it's not about the money it's always about the money when they say it's not about the legacy it's always about the legacy. I actually think that part of this move is continued legacy building. And and Bob does. He watched it more closely than Mitch. And I did. But the body language the cryptic comments. We could see that all season long that yeah obviously he. This had been in his mind and I'm not surprised that he says it's been in his mind since before last season to to get the hell out of dodge structure that contract the contract with structured the last one that he signed the naval him to be a free agent at the end of this year. So right away there was a should have been a warning buzzer flashing four. Let me ask it. Let me ask a more general question Tom. Brady is is since Michael Jordan. The most protected guarded image superstar that we have seen in sports. He never says the wrong thing. He never puts himself in a position where he's going to say the wrong thing he never explode. During a press conference he keeps access to him extremely limited etc. Why do you think he did this interview? I stream Lee calculating. I think he's extraordinarily calculating and we all agree that this wasn't like Howard. Stern happened a call and he wasn't doing anything. There in Corona viruses said okay. I'll go on. Tom Brady sits down for two hours. It's not an accident. He had this very well planned and he knew what he wanted to get out there. Like you said Mike. Tickets to begin to reinvent himself reinvent his who he is and how he is perceived and so once you know that and you keep that in mind then. I start to look at this as all. What is he trying to tell us? By putting these answers out out there how would they do not match that? He's not an old man because he's harps on this thing. I'm forty three. I gotTA relate to twenty two year old players so in the old days and the old days. This was the kind of again. He's not a celebrity in trouble. He's just made a big move. But this is the kind of thing you go. I'm going to go have a sit down with pick a name Diane Sawyer Barbara Walters. Bobby Walters met Walter bad lower back onto in three. Yeah okay. It's Tom. Cruise going on with Oprah and. He's not trying to get himself out of any trouble here. But he is trying to reboot this. His whole the whole brand of Tom Brady. And how and this was his calculated decision to be hip and happening. Because Mitch the way you just described him described guy. I covered in baseball for twenty years in the big city. And that is the cap former captain of the New York Yankees Derek jeter and now Les Lord to Tom Brady. Guess who said I was about to point that out Mr No. That's okay go ahead. I'm just I'm here for you. And but that's the kind of image he had and this would have been exactly like if Derek who had one last contract beef with Brian Cashman and it got very contentious for awhile and they jeeter and tiger have the same age it would be like. He had gone to another team for a year or two and decided to go to Howard. Stern. This is. This is the new imagining of where you go to get your message out to people to guys. You'RE GONNA be playing with Mitch. Who are half your age. The right of it that interested in the context of what you're saying about him setting the Brandon and I think he's totally calculating. Is the family stuff that he was putting out there. Which is a string that was tm? I I yeah. I didn't know that we needed to know. They had marriage counseling or or you know now off. The soft fell out of the ot the fact that an people made a big fuss and we all did that he did not attend the OT as the last two years now. He's explaining to US wise because he felt that he needed to pay more attention to his family be caused Giselle Bunsen. His wife was very upset with the way he was conducting his managing his time. Albert tribute to Howard Stern. Because I I know Howard stern a little bit and and The people who have gone on his show just end up somehow talking about things that you didn't talk about before in your private life. He he pushes in those areas doesn't push in football football but he pushes in those areas about private life and whatever and I. I'm surprised it didn't get more because you know he's always will tend to ask you about how many women you've had what positions you've done. How often do you do it before the game that kind of stuff and and and and Brady avoided all that but you find yourself with the Howard Stern interview just giving out information? It's almost like why people go on Barbara Walters and start crying. You gave out information that you don't normally given certainly in the private part of his life. That was stuff that no first of all no sports reporter would ask him and and if they did he would glare at them and he would say you know interviews over and you can't ask that Kinda question but yet Howard. Stern is okay. Well that's what I mean about part and then it's all very calculated. He knew that he was going to get those kind of questions. Probably knew going in all right. I'M GONNA have to give up something personal here. What can I say that? That won't harm my image and it doesn't harm his image that it's actually made him look human you know that he was Ultra focus which everybody knew and that she was complaining about you. Know the age old argument that W- men and women have in in America. You're all work and you're not paying attention to the family and so Tom Tom Brady. Has that problem too? But the thing Mike to return to the business about he knew he was going to leave And and he was on his way out and then he says why should I quit it? Forty two painters. Don't stop at forty two musicians. Don't stop singing at forty two. All of this is exactly what you said in my view that this is this is a move to make him pertinent and relevant to today's world. And by saying hey I had to get out. No one is an stern. Ask Them. Well why did you have to get out? Why did you know that this was going to be your last year? You said you knew it was going to be your last year. But why would you determine and I think the unspoken answer is and I believe. This is at the core of the whole. Tom Brady situation. The New England Management Bill Belichick and even Robert Kraft were looking at him increasingly as a decaying asset and he felt that look about. He can't throw the way he. Uc Can't move the way he used to. I'm sure Bella chatting chicken craft. Aren't you more than crap? But but I think craft would of listened to check on it. I mean if if you tell me in this triangle spellcheck goes to to craft and says we can't win with this guy anymore. I gotta get a new guy in here. His skills are going to be way worse next year than they were this year and then Brady goes who says I love it here Mr Craft. I WANNA stay. Who Does craft side with? Who Do I think that's what Brady was thinking? He looked like he looked at Brady. Like another son. That's that's that's their sons. Mike I believe I believe that Bob Kraft's heart would have overcome what you just said about what he was seeing the online. Who are you going to believe me or your online is okay and clearly. Clearly I think craft. I don't think this is in dispute stepped in during the whole Garoppolo thing. I think Belichick was ready even one more super bowl. I think he was ready to make. Turn the page. Then give the job to to a Garoppolo. The next year and led brady walk. I don't have any doubt about that. Mike that that trade you know. How many times have I just have to do it? One more time. That trade for anybody doesn't realize was made a in haste Something that Belcher is certainly not known for be a he did. He made sure we stand up to a good home. A good home one that he respected and We're coaching respected and in in a good situation and not exiling him to some football Siberia and so yes. He absolutely I think did not want to make that trade and that was how many years ago three three years ago so now extrapolate three years ahead and if belichick was already looking at him as decreasing asset decaying goods and now it's three years later. I think the Brady when he saying I knew I was going to get out. What he really was saying is I'm not going to let myself be viewed that way. I'm going to reinvent myself and show the world that I am young. Still and the best way to do that is to change environments because he's not GonNa convince the coach otherwise now he's gone to a place where Bruce Arians has been crowing about how good his armies. That's I mean that's the polar opposite. Oh he can throw deep. I'm sure he loves that. That's what he wants to be told so I. I think that's what I read into him saying. I knew I was going to go a year a year ago. That's how I read that one of the more interesting Tidbits that fell out of this guys I thought was when him saying and how he would say Belichick. If you put Sullen so out there I'm not fall into him. I don't trust them. I love that that's kind of. That's the kind of candidate you dream of the could get immed- immediately of a game right post game interview You could get a candidate answer on any subject not just out that would be equivalent. You don't get those kind of answers too often from athletes of apartment. It's those kind of public statements that that reveal what was really. We're always saying what she really thinking. I love that one just jumped out at me. I love that well go. Let's go back to that legacy comments. So here's let me read people who didn't Didn't hear the interview. This is the quote that a lot of people are talking about. I never cared about legacy. I never once when I was in high school said man. I can't wait promote my football. Legacy looks like it's just not me. That's not my personality. So why would I choose a different place? It's because it was just time. I don't know what to say other than that. I had done everything I accomplished everything I could. In two decades with an incredible organization credible people and that will never change data. The do any of the three of us by that sentence about I never cared about legacy. No I go back to what I said. It's it's just it's it's a it's a PR lie okay. Aw shucks I never no no they and the TB twelve and all that stuff he didn't care about legacy at all these guys at that level You know we we. We've talked about this a lot in all the conversations there justice at the end of the day. They're weird okay. I Remember Day are they. Just don't get to these places with the I. There are exceptions of course. And we've seen those two but so many of these guys were. I love Michael Jordan. He's I mean Dave kindred used to say that there is not just ego involved with guys like this. There's even an element of cruelty to the gets them to the place they get to in sports and Brady's he's he's fixed on play until he's forty five he's going to show everybody and that's part of the legacy to he's going to be forty three years old when he starts at the next season for the Tampa Bay bucks if the season starts is gonNa be forty-three years old so he's trying to do something at his age at his position has never been done in the history of the sports. And if if that isn't a guy worried about his legacy. I don't know what is well this to it though. Mike I think one is how what we defining as legacy in other words a he. He's accomplished an unprecedented things. Now six rings and all that we know that twenty years with the same team and all that and he has to know that if he if he folds his hand now his legacy is so completely secure and nothing is going to tarnish. He wants to win again. Bob I I know but wait a minute now. Not Smart enough. I'm asking now. This is why we're just tossing US around because we don't know what's actually in his mind. We'll we'll find what I'm saying is if he has to know it seems to me. It's logical for him not to know that there is potential peril in the legacy which means he may not give a damn if he goes and pulls a Nemeth okay if a day to you yet but if he goes through unites then then there's GonNa be a pope if and he has to know that that is a possibility lobby confident that is not even in his mind okay but why even though even though he was clearly not close to what he was at his best last season. I don't think any of US starting with you think that he is going to be united. Whose arm was gone. He and by the way is much of a shell Peyton. Manning was at the end when he did win. One more superbowl with the broncos. He threw for five thousand yards in Denver to before that okay. Do you have to keep that? And we've talked about Montana. Montana went to the AFC championship game with the chiefs. And so I think we're GONNA skew more towards that than it would ever skew towards e you know. I saw his first game when he was with the rams. Okay and you knew it was gonNA and horribly. I don't look at the Brady. We saw at the end of last season. And think that he's GonNa turn into some guy who's crossed the clown line next year. There's one that guys that you mentioned. Were forty three all right. They were all relatives to football but they weren't forty three and I think that is a big part of what Tom Brady. Wants his legacy to be now I I would believe what he said if he inserted two words into that sentence I never cared about. Legacy is what he said if he inserted. I never used to care about legacy. I would believe that because he was going back to high school he was not great in high school. He was not great in college. He sat here in Michigan for several years before they finally let him play just towards the end and he had one good season but he didn't it obviously if he if he had a better college career he wouldn't have been chosen in the sixth round in the NFL. So coming through those years yes I believe that he never thought about my legacy he just thought about. Am I gonNA make it in the NFL? And when he said to. Bob Kraft famously. You know I'm Gonna I'm GonNA prove to you that this was a great pick that you made as a sixth round draft pick. That was predicting that he could make it when people are worried about making it with getting a job. They're not thinking about their legacy. But that was a long time ago and I believe Tom Brady has absolutely changed. And he is absolutely concerned about his legacy now and what could serve his legacy better than going to a new team and winning there that is and by the way. I'm pretty sure that he is thought about this. A Lebron James Move. Lebron James is creating a legacy in real time. When Lebron James finally retires his legacy first line of it will be that he won championships with multiple teams wherever he went. He made the team's better. That's what Tom Brady. I believe wants to do now in football. And it's it's rare that you do that in football usually get a run with the team and a coach and a quarterback and and then you're Kinda done and I mean let. Let's let's think I got three good minds. Here are their quarterbacks that you can think about who were enormously successful and then went to another team and we're enormously successful someplace else. Peyton manning is the first one that comes to mind because he did it in Indianapolis and then he did it in Denver. Although by the time he did in Denver he was doing it with a different cast. But I don't I don't I don't feel a lot of a lot of others jump to mind to you can you guys? I think I wanNA talk about Peyton. I want to talk about Payton for a second. Okay because I am guilty of this remembering what I saw the last time I ever saw him play and Peyton had been two neck surgeries and Brady other than the knee. Injury has been. You know he is. He is in a lot of ways and athletic freak okay and he has been obsessed with conditioning and health and Diet and all that stuff. Okay so yes. He is forty two right now but I think his forty two. It sounds crazy is comparable to what Montana wasn't thirty seven and thirty eight and Peyton. Okay but Peyton manning I forgot. He played four seasons with Bronco. Mitch and look the first year is there. He threw for nearly forty seven hundred yards the next year he was there he threw for fifty four hundred seventy seven yards and the next year he was there he threw for forty seven hundred and twenty seven yards. So this guy this guy but again we remember him as a shell because of what he was in his last year but he threw thirty seven. Touchdown passes fifty five thirty nine for the broncos. And I'm not saying that he's that Tom Brady is going to get a team in Tampa as good as the one that Payton got when he got to Denver. Okay but I will say this and we talked about this when the when the deal was done. Okay the bucks. Were way better to be a good team last year. Then you think they were. And I think I've said we've lost like seven games by touchdown or less. Well I believe he will be I. I've just looked it up while you were talking like and and there are no multiple super bowl winners quarterbacks who did it with two teams that. I'm seeing here and so that would be a legacy. That would be pretty amazing. You know If he became the first quarterback to win two super bowl to win super bowls with multiple teams as starting quarterback. No Man pursueth besides manning. Yeah yeah that's it that's it. I think that is a template again despite his age. Mitch no you're right and what I'm saying is I think he thinks not only in terms of legacy. I don't think he's going there if he doesn't think he can. In the next two years play himself into one more super bowl. He's not he's not doing it to just play football. I want to talk about another legacy in a second but first a word from good friends at Geiko. Everybody's got A to do list. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance and the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. All you have to do is go to GEICO DOT COM and fifteen minutes. You could be saving fifteen percent or more on Car Insurance. Got Extra money in your pocket. It just may be the most rewarding to do that you do today we were talking about. Tom Brady and his legacy Or lack thereof or lack of desire thereof or whatever. One thing's for sure he's not going to finish his career with the same team that he started with earlier this week. A very notable Sports Star. Who did play his entire career with one team and became known basically as Mr Tiger here in the city of Detroit. Al Que line passed away thankfully for many of us if there is any kind of small silver lining. It wasn't Kobe. Nineteen related alkaline. Had suffered probably some strokes and some other things in the last year and people who knew him to. There's some various elements that ultimately took him down but alkaline won a batting title when he was twenty years old and played until he was thirty. Nine a very brady esque type of career in terms of years Although he too saw his skills fade towards the end but he did play his entire career with one team. And you do get currency for that you know he lived here in Detroit. He was with the Detroit Tigers for nearly sixty years in one shape or form as a player as a broadcaster as a scout and a sort of executive too Mike Village later Priscilla Jr and. He was beloved. Here he wants that was his nickname was Mr Tiger. He was absolutely symbolic of everything that Midwestern baseball teams love their heroes to be humble Approachable genial State involved with baseball love to teach young people. Kirk Gibson is out there going on and on about how he changed his career. Justin verlander left the Tigers and his plan for Houston talked about him. Young players talked about him and Brady surrendered that by leaving New England. And I think it's still something to savour. I mean there aren't very many guys who plan on playing their their entire career anymore with one team given free agency but alkaline defined that and I think there's something surrendered when you when you walk away from that. He was a great gentleman. Here's my favorite player. When I was a kid I met him Finally met him in Detroit. I was on a book tour there several years ago. I actually Mitch. I get to throw out the first pitch at comerica because it was. The book is about a Tiger Batboy and very was in the clubhouse that day and Leland introduced me to them and Zach Lupaka. I take him with me because but you know it was a fun thing and I wanted him to see the go. Pop Do that and afterwards when we were outside sack said Dad. You're never liked that with anybody. And I said honey. There's a few guys who are like that in my imagination and this man was a giant of my imagination. When I was a kid and Mitch you. You spent more time with him than I did but he was everything I ever thought he would be. He was that kind of Gent. Mike Mitch Done Zimmer when he managed socks when they would play Detroit digital days when we actually had the Infield and we had the had the warm up and we had all the. You know the the ritual. Which is billy sadly missed in baseball. I think a has disappeared completely but he would instruct his young outfielders to watch every move that alkaline made in during the warm ups watch the way he approached. The ball watched away. He threw just watch everything. We watch way scratched anything he wanted him. He's the debt. He was the template He was I look at them and put them in a cloud of gory of of great players. The technicians you know. He was a technician of baseball He he he was a fundamental walking. Fundmental of how to play baseball also here. He's he has an extension back to another era. I know you both know. But people don't remember the bonus baby era. He was eighteen years old out of southern High School in Baltimore in Nineteen fifty three when he was Given a thirty five thousand dollars signing bonus in those days if you've got a signing bonus and accessible you ready for this six thousand dollars you had to directly to the major league GUASTA for two years and and And they had to put a spot on there for you and So he was not old debutante as they say cost upon two years after eighteen he wins the title nearly Fifty Five. He hits three forty. Yes and that. That's what the thing really took off. Yeah for people who don't don't know a couple of things about them and can't assume that everybody who's listening to us as old enough to remember playing or even seeing highlight films but he was He was equally adept in on offense and defense. He wasn't the best hitter to ever come along. He wasn't the best fielder that ever come along but he was really good at both things and he had an incredible arm. There's a stories that would have been out of Bernard. Malamud the natural. You know where. He was at a picnic festival when he was in high. School is like a sophomore through a ball. They were saying. How far can you throw a ball? So we threw a ball a hundred and seventy three feet. Nobody could believe that. Says if somebody screwed up somebody messed up. You know you have to do it again. So he threw it again through it. One hundred seventy five feet and he was to right field. What a locomotive is to into a horse buggy and he wants threw out three batters in three consecutive innings. From right field I mean there are three consecutive meetings. Were A shortstop doesn't do that. But he threw out three guys and three straight innings from right field nailing them or whatever base they were trying to get to and that arm never left me. Oh he always had that his hitting over time diminished. He had a lot of injuries. He had shoulders and wrists and arms and knees and running into things and broke. Oh broke a bone but he was defined by how humble he was in light of that. I'm Bob mentioned the bonus baby thing but there was a year. I think it was nineteen. Seventy where he was due to become the first one hundred thousand dollar player. I guess the Tigers have ever had on where it wasn't in the league and that would have been a five thousand dollar raise from ninety five thousand that he was making and he refused it He told them in spring training. I didn't have that good a year last year. I don't deserve a raise and actually refused it and stayed at ninety five thousand per year and then the foul when we had a really good year and they put him up to one hundred thousand. That was Al Que line. He did stuff like that all the time you know. I'll go ahead Mike now. I was just GonNa say you're right. Brady gave that up Brady gave that up and the closest equivalent in terms of grace and I don't. I don't actually think they're gator. I Love Derek jeter. I don't think he was just complete. And offense. Defense player is L. Kayla was Geeta. Did do that. Geeta did play a play his whole career with the Yankees. And you know the guy. We didn't talk about before leaving team going somewhere else at advanced age was number twenty three of the Chicago Bulls and he wasn't going to Washington. Think he's GonNa win a title but he just wanted to show everybody he could still play. And while we're on the subject of longevity and legged legacies playing your career whole sees a career in one place it just so happened today. Coincidentally is the forty second anniversary of the twelve hundred seventieth and final NBA. Game of the Great John Havlicek who went out and in a flourish with twenty nine point seventeen in the fourth quarter and say beat the Buffalo Braves but John Sixteen years with the Celtics In this regard figure here in this town of Mike and Mike and I spent a lot of time together in nineteen seventy six traveling in the NBA. And I know you probably were part of joining a. We were watching John. Havlicek soak his foot in Turquoise dish pan of ice to Take care of his torn. Plantar FASCIA and my mic members. Those days but John was one of my absolute favorite people ever covered. I was privileged to do a book with him as my first book. My a collaborative book and it was thrilled to be able to have the area Bob Now did not stay in a Boston area. And he He Bay Florida. It was he became a Floridian and of course he had yeah and he had low highlights of course but basically he had for a while but he had a dual residence for a while but mostly he gravitated toward Florida. But Mike you were talking about about you know the legacy when you play one town and Brady. I don't think Brady ever had any intention of settling in New England. God great he's going to end up else to AL state hours here. And I'll I'll I`ll. I'll close my alkaline comments with this. I do a radiothon every year for charity. Big thing in a in a shopping mall We started six in the morning. We'd go till nine o'clock at night and we have all kinds of people come on it from nationally and locally and all the rest and last year My partner Ken Brown. Who's on the radio with me? It's like two o'clock in the afternoon as crowds of people over. And he hits me and he says. Hey it's not alkaline. And we look up. And there's alkaline the people and he's at a table so Kenny runs over to them and says how you doing. You'RE GONNA see we come up come up. You know be interviewed on state. Oh no no no. I just came by to give some money. He said I don't want to do that. Just just wanted to contribute. I was listening on the radio and I heard it so I came in and didn't want he didn't he just gave some money and then he got back in his car and drove away. There aren't too many guys who will do that at his stature and that just cemented his legacy locally here of being just beloved and I think that that's a privilege that sports stars get a crack at that. Very few people get in life to be hailed as a young man In your in your adopted hometown and then to be celebrated for the rest of your life In that town because of what you did and people who walk away from that are missing out on something really good when Hamilton diarrhea always looked at him as superman. Mitch when Havlicek died my dear friend Bob From Paul. Westphal sent me a text. Any said if John Condi- anybody can die and that was his take on John Havlicek as well. That was one of those guys when you heard he was dead that you just couldn't believe it anyway. Mike Paul also said John. Havlicek was who you thought he was. Yeah he was before we move on We'd like your mind that one of our sponsors today and we're happy to say that is Harry. Now is not the time to be overpaying for razors at the drugstore and Harry's no sometimes it's better to just stay inside that's why they shipped directly to you so you can experience the quality of a Harry Shave in just a few days from the convenience of your own home and let me tell you from my own experience. The raises are amazing. I love the quality of the shave. With Harry's it's as simple as that I also enjoy their aloe and few Shave Gel. I just want you know exactly what it is. It doesn't leave my face dry. 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I here in in in Japan or South Korea around the places they're considering doing sports with robots in the stands like To make them look like people so we are definitely in a time where any idea is considered. But I think that you have to you have to zones and what they're talking about assembling all thirty teams in Virus Free Zone in the Phoenix area and you can sort of lock it out if you start with virus free people and you don't let them go anywhere now. How long baseball players are going to like to stay in a bubble UMPIRES to training staff to coaches to? I don't know it's the kind of thing that sounds good in the abstract. And then after about four or five days people start missing their families and missing regular contact and I. It's like being in the army and you can't leave but it is the only way that they can contemplate playing baseball. And so Y- somebody. I don't know somebody in trump's team or somewhere along the line official but they said Concerts and baseball games are the last year or sporting events. The the last thing on the list that we're considering a about how we get what we get back to and whoever said that was correct. It's the last thing after they figure out how to slowly open up workplaces and slowly open up parks and slowly open up stores and slowly up. It's the absolute bottom item because it brings together so many people so unless a sport is willing to say we're throwing out all our normal trappings and we're going to create a new environment. And that's what baseball is floating here. They're not going to see action this year. I think it's a non starter on Human Nature Element. You touched upon it dirt. Players aren't GonNa buy it. They're not they're not going to be able to live that life. No one that I just don't think so I I I cannot think possibly think that enough people are wired to do it and then of course the simple. What could possibly go wrong. Oh yeah the first person to test positive And off we go I. I'm resigned. I'm in my head. I'm just resigned to. It's not going to you know it's funny. I just think that. If this thing ever did come to fruition which I kind of don't think it's going to the Bob tested positive. You know what they'd say. He tested positive. He goes home. I I actually think that they would have contingency plans and move on and listen. The unemployment numbers are horrifying The the the slowness of unemployment checks getting out is horrifying for people who are living. Check to check right now. Okay and it Mitch. Your thousand percent right. I've Yeah we'd all love to have sports but that's so far down the list and this idea that we're America's going back to work. I mean obviously. The president is pushing that with that. Jim Oke Sean Hannity last night saying no. We have to be open for business. Okay then we open for business and then we go back to square one and everybody has to go back inside the house and the number spike again. And then we're really screwed at that point because it's like we've reintroduced the virus into this country. Yeah and that. We haven't even started talking about that yet in this issue because we're still trying to get through the the initial wave of it but that will at some point in the in the next month or to become the dominant conversation about it. How do we avoid opening this Pandora's box again and everyone is going to move very very slowly very very easily do that now? I read a comment from an agent. Who represents a lot of Latino players which was interesting and he said I get the being separated from your family's not easy and it's an obstacle but there are thousands of Latino players both in the majors and the minors were separated from their families for nine months even more? So He's right. You know there are a lot of players in the game of baseball who are used to just living out of a hotel but there are other players who have their families and rebel in their families and if they're going to be separated from them they're not gonNA they're not gonNA play this. I'm just not going to do that. I'm not gonNA live away from my family for months. My guess is that it won't be the family thing that will shoot this thing down. It'll end up being well. You still have to bring in supplies and you have to bring in food and you still have to bring in a tape and new bats and that means that a person coming in and out of the outside world all the time I I. I'll tell you this you guys know. I operate an orphanage in Haiti. And we've been locked down for four weeks and we have to deal with what we bring in from the outside because I can't risk any of my kids getting it over the steps so we sent all the staff that has family home and we kept the staff that was willing to stay with us. I said you'RE GONNA have to be with us for five or six months and you can't leave and they said Okay and they're they're and when we get supplies we have them dropped off at the front gate and left there. And then someone with gloves and sanitizer opens the gate after the person left and carries a stuff in closes the door and and it's hermetically sealed environment that essentially the world that. Yep How many baseball teams would all have to live in in in some area in order to ensure that one person doesn't get it and then you don't have the Rudy Gobert situation with with okay. Well who did? Who did he touch? And who did he play? And all the re so. I think that's what was shoot down more than the family. Yeah I completely agree. I wanted a couple of things. We we have to talk about before we get before we stopped today right Ryan. Today was the day that the masters was supposed to start okay and unlike any. It's a tradition. I just I worry that my friend gymnasts. They're going to have to have grief counselors or him. But I think the Greek concerts there. Mitch know all the all. The signs are positive. Hall is in his house now. Just whispering into any Graffman as you can imagine you can imagine that the shot by shot moment moment obsession that we would have had today with tiger. Who by the way? It is getting sued because apparently allegedly Joel Kava. His caddy shoved a guy. Two years ago but Paul Hembekides as producer with Mike Greenberg. Show get up okay. I just saw this because you hear people say no. No Tiger Tiger was really the greatest player of all time. This is in majors guys. This is this is pretty great. Okay? Most wins majors. Jack Nicklaus Eighteen Tiger Woods fifteen most top twos. Jack Nicklaus thirty seven Tiger Woods twenty two most top threes. Jack Nicklaus forty six tiger woods. Twenty-six is just major. Okay most top. Five's Jack Nicklaus fifty six tiger woods thirty three okay. So I'll I'll I keep telling? People is tigers the greatest player of all time when he gets to nineteen majors. And until then. I don't WanNa hear it well. Devil's advocate and argument is simply that the numbers you know. We all know that the tiger does the cutoff line. We all know that loyal change when he backed out of a certain driveway in two thousand nine. At that point on Michael you would have taken a bet as I would have. An admit would've anybody who was following the split with that. There wasn't the slightest doubt that he would have passed. Jack Nicklaus in time and would put the record into the twenties. That's all yes stopping him. Once she got healthy again and once he came out of that. Who stopped him from continuing to win? Majors? I know I heard Jack Get hurt. And that's part of it. This is not any no this not any way any denigration of Jack. Nicholas when I'm about to ask you this. What was the greatest stretch of golf? The world has ever seen the greatest stretch of golf was what Tiger did in whatever it was two thousand one and two thousand of those early years of this century when he was winning opens by twelve or thirteen. Doing that with the master's Bob. Alright right so that makes mass also makes him Colfax. It doesn't make him Babe Ruth. Okay Nicklaus Babe Ruth. There's no this is why it's a fun argument. It's an aerosol here here's utterly Oregon. Here's some more fodder for the argument. Jack Nicklaus one last major when he was forty six years of age we all know that was nineteen eighty-six Masters wins by one. Show Greg Norman. It was. It was historic. It was the same hysteria that we saw last year. When Tiger Woods came back and won a master's that was his last. That was eighteenth. At Age forty. Six Tiger Woods will be forty five at the end of this year. He's probably not going to get to play at least several of the majors. Well if not any of them this year depending on if they reschedule into cold months. But there's not gonna be any golf during the summer. He's already missed the. May the Masters Miss the PJ. All these things are not going to happen unless they push them into October September October. So Jack Nicholas went six years between his seventeenth and eighteenth so you could argue that that was that last burst and we may have seen that last burst with tiger to get him his last masters. Does anybody think that he's got? How many more does he need now? Four he's got he's got he's got he's got four he's not GonNa but but I- Mitch saying about that as you're talking and you guys know I I love Golf. I've followed it as passionately as anything. I follow in sports and I. I'm pretty decent Golfer. Impact a cruel thing Mitch. The cruel thing is right before golf was taken us away. I play my best round about fifteen years. Okay when I look at Tiger I can see a scenario where even at the age of fifty one. Okay he makes another run at at at the masters. I just can't see it happening. In another major Nicklaus one of the year's guys that that Mark o'meara won the master's Jack Jack had putted at all and I forget how old he was. I could look it up. He was fifty. He was in his fifties okay and if he had PUTT as well as a merited that we act from tita green he was like perfect he would have won one more major in. You know the Tom Watson. Nearly one British open at the age of weight forward fifty nine so I can see him. I. I'm not saying he will never win another masters but I think that's the one he'll win and could I see him. Get into sixteen hundred seventy I could. Wow he gets to seventeen in the next three years. It's going to be the the pressure to continue to do that. And the baited breath watching on all of that will will be both remarkable. And maybe annoying Serena Williams has been in that position for several years now and of course is is now going to suffer also from the cove in nineteen thing in terms of her finally getting that one that could push her over the mark and she's closer of course to hey come on you gotta give it up. There's a certain age. You just can't do it anymore golf. You can play a lot longer but mike when you say that. Like fifty one. I could see him then. It doesn't seem so impossible that he could scatter you know three more at least to tie find three more wins somewhere in there. I mean they end up playing a PGA or or a US Open on a course that suits him or the goes over to England and happens to get the right weather and it works. I mean if he can stay healthy. Is it impossible? Imagine if you really think C. I've been thinking more along the lines of okay. Forty five forty six. You're done it. Just don't win golf tournaments. You don't win majors after that age. But if you're thinking he can then I would rethink that. I would think well. Geez capable of winning something at fifty one five years from now six years from now it could be not scatter three and he was in. He's even he's had all these back issues so I'm not saying he's going to be in better shape in his fifties. The Nicholas was but that masters in Nineteen Ninety Eight. Jack was fifty eight. Okay and and limping. I think he'd already had. I think he already had his hip by then. Okay and he birdied fifteen on Sunday to get within two shots of the lead so if Jack can do that limping around with fifty eight. Who knows when we're the finish line is on tiger woods on on his in his on his PGA tour career before we wrap things up today. One more word from our friends at Geiko okay. 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Who is the quarterback that everyone thought would be third quarterback chosen or further down now possibly possibly being chosen ahead of tour It's I don't know where this is coming from because nobody is working anybody out because they're scared they're scared of two of the last workout. Well when was the last workout Mitch? That's the thing I think they're scared. I think they're scared that they don't have enough information about his hip. Question is a bigger a bigger risk to take them. We're not to take them. Tyler Breuer Los Angeles producer now. Tyler. You're seeing. Those mock drafts were two falls to. The Los Angeles chargers could be very interesting to open up this new stadium. They're building up out here. I just can't I can't believe in the end that somebody won't trade up. This is where the Detroit lions might team are in a very unique position. They have the third pick. They have a quarterback They really would like to be with the Second. Pick and take chase young. Because that's exactly what they need. Everybody figures that Washington is GonNa take although Washington CA trade back to. We've seen this happen before. Combat where people talk about quarterbacks Nyein and then the day comes and boom. They're they're trading to get up. The reigning King of quarterbacks right now is the super bowl winner is exactly that guy who was traded up for by the Kansas City chiefs on draft day and nobody saw that coming and look how smart that worked out. So I think that too is going to drop down to number six. Maybe the charges will trade up to try to snag him because they really need a quarterback but I think either Washington or Detroit will make a trade back for with a team that wants to get the quarterback and they're all GonNa play close to the best and I'll tell you this if they do skip onto because of the lack of information and then he turns out to be everything that people are predicting he could be. He will go down in history as the symbol of covert nineteen affecting sports. You know and not being able to be worked out and not to be able to see so everyone's just working off guesswork because you know if there was no cove in nineteen. This kid would already have had workouts. But he'd been everyone would know everything there is to say about him instead. He becomes the sealed envelope and nobody knows what's inside of it and boy he could he could turn into the greatest five he goes at number six. It really falls to the charges and then turns out to be a hall of fame quarterback. It's going to be because Mitt you guys can arrest me right here. I'm extremely interested and engaged by all the stuff that could happen in the first six picks of this particular crazy NFL draft. I would've been even if there were so we have I would have been. I think we'll wrap up here. But here's my thing with the redskins. Okay yes chase young. A complete natural. Yeah he might be the second coming of one of those Lawrence Taylor type guys. But are they sure about Dwayne Haskins? Because if they were sure about Dwayne Haskins they wouldn't have been interested in Kyle Allen so yeah no it's great and there is precedent look at Color Murray being drafted number one after they took a top ten. Pick the year before. So it's not like well we already but then we would have wasted our pick teams find a way around that for this position trubisky. That's the other side Much more football talk on Monday. Of course and anything else. That happens if you like what you heard today. Please leave us a common. If you didn't leave us a comment and leave us a rating if you don't mind we're like over drivers. We always appreciate those. You can hear this podcast anywhere. You get popular podcasts. On spotify Stitcher Pandora Apple. All the rest of them. We'll be back on Monday as we always do. 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In The Gate #425 - Doing the Splits

In The Gate

38:35 min | 1 year ago

In The Gate #425 - Doing the Splits

"For the saying timing is everything right. European racing may be headed for a revolution in the timing of races and it looks pretty familiar will explain lost. We've talked on this show about the proposed horse Racing Integrity Act that's percolating in the House of Representatives but will it be the panacea that so many hope it will not so fast. My friend will explain on this edition of in the gate. This is in the gate. E._S._p._N.'s thoroughbred racing podcast podcast. My name is Barry Abrams. You can follow me on twitter at be Abrahams voice or on facebook at Barry Abrahams Boys. You can also get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate podcast. You can get us on soundcloud as well get us at the I tune store or tune in dot com. You can get us on that little pink pod catch up on your phone. You didn't even know you had a now. You can subscribe to win the gate in the listen tab of the E._S._p._N.. APP for the full in the gate experience subscribe now in the Listen Tab of the E._S._p._N.. APP perhaps you've heard of the Mayans the ancient civilization that inhabited Mexico and Central America. Maybe you visited the Mayan Ruins to Mexico. You might know that the Mayans were among the most advanced civilizations on on earth at the time they lived as far back as forty five hundred years ago they were architects engineers who knew how to use water pressure technology to build Akwa Ducts not the racetrack they produced rubber thousands ends of years before white people learned how to do it. They were astronomers who had a pretty sophisticated calendar and there's a whole lot more as well but the Mayans were wiped out in part due to Spanish explorers in the fifteen hundreds. The Spanish Spanish thought they were a superior culture but the people from the America's had more going for them than the Europeans thought. What does this have to do with horse racing? Well nothing really accept this earlier this month a weekend full of races held at newmarket England including the prestigious foul mouth snakes one by veracious force or Michael Stoute were timed with a more sophisticated system than Europeans have regularly used you could get quarter-mile Sectional Channel Times for each of those races at Newmarket whereas normally as you know if you've ever looked at past performances if European races only the final time is typically available there along with a comment line that's it. I think you're getting thing where we're going with this. We here in North America are playing the role of the Mayans since sectional timing has been a mainstay of North American past performances when exactly that started is unclear but the daily racing forms archives show that on June eleventh 1896 there were sectional times for the first race at Oakley Parkin's Cincinnati the first eighth quarter half mile and five-furlong final time. That's eighteen ninety six nonetheless as N._B._C.. Once set of its lineup of summer rerun shows if you haven't seen it it's new to you and so it is with sexual timing for European races so talk talk more about the implementation of sectional timing we welcome in Ed Gretchen the director of racing for Racecourse Media Group One of those entities involved in the process. We appreciate you being here Sir. What was the impetus behind adding sectional channel timing now in the U._k.? <hes> sexual timing is being sort of here now so the last fifteen years not not very much but of late two or three companies have been <hes> interesting seeing G._p._S. systems into the U._k.. which she's really what is required Thames costume technology to track horses accurately and not that's really the impetus G._p._S. is Janette and <hes> this funding available in the next three years from the central Levy on racing which is GonNa help AH development of going out to across across British racing? What is the reason? This data has not been available before this new initiative in Europe <hes>. I think you're referencing the U._K.. Very the <hes> being a question technology really all the U._k.. Ray School's unique intense than they out the ups and downs of the courses and two which is where things differs from the U._S. and so having kind of raping system on U._K.. Who're since wouldn't really work in the same way because you know of course left-handed Roy hundred able to circles that straight courses and so G._P._S. technology is for time we've <hes> division of of having a assistant and it cost effective and continue accurate is being on the table so this is the doesn't work with laser beams it works with G._P._S.? Yeah and it's not just wanted to three systems and using the U._k.. On system has even use a couple of years from two started starting summited. These states now interestingly if you're saying G._P._S. you know here in the states because we use the laser beam technology. There's a run up from the opening of the gate to where the timing actually begins and it differs from track to track at some tracks. It's fifty yards for example so the first two or three jumps out of the gate are essentially on timed so I'm guessing that won't be the case with Europe. When you look at past performance data? It's from the second that gate opens correct yeah the timing we'll start from the exact time that they that the gates open now as we said you essentially ran a test at new market in mid-july so how did that system perform I worked for racecourse media repair and we we have thirty four racecourse shoulders and market was the foot. We've been testing system for a long time. In the market was the first time he started publicly. But do you think data that's another company. Anthony and the kid has been taking it for a couple of great and take a performance data and non gene been working at skits were meeting so it should of new baby steps. We you know we we will be continuing to produce a date for the major meetings before avoid rollouts regular data Mesler wedding says to get started at Newmarket Ed Gretchen of Race Course Media Group is with us here on the gate. Now I can see the user feedback falling into one or two of these categories a wow. Oh Wow we're so glad to have this be. What took you so long to make this happen here see? We don't really want that information because that's not how we've done it here. So how much of each of these sentiments have you heard. I think I think about the is accurate performance states it can provide <hes> in the U._K.. You know the way that you look at the U._S.. Ago Different and the way the guys you know better them and people engage with those rotate or in the U._k.. Will need to tap to involve it. How how we see produced that teaches key? There'll be some people who are excited about it. You know we have some evangelists in time in an attorney World U._k.. Hopi breaks about that so detail utopic to not intelligent enough and tell that story properly to the white racing fluence he might not be absolute details from experts and to that extent how aware or those people that sectional timing is available in North America but I think it sounds that that is an opportunity I think because this states it can be reworked to provide for example to American consumers if you U._K.. Who is racing can be reworked to provide the sort of this format you used to so? I think that's an opportunity for for U._S.. Beckons on U._K.. Horse racing to better understand it and that's one of one of the things that have to get into as we as we roll it out. What tangible effect do you think this will have on the racing and betting industries in the U._K.? I think that data in all sports is is massively in us from basketball football hear crickets and things about costs and publishes tonight to bring the performance to life and that's an ally pool cost and also results and obstacles. You Know X.. Play around seven hundred year olds. What does that really mean not but it sounds good necessarily and but it would be? I think there's this performance H._r.. Allows will allow those as you've covered Lewis racing to engage to provide more engaging coverage to of course. I think we're interesting facts. You know it's been done no other schools and it'd important television people see you can confer stated to tangible interesting comments on on who's racing which will be able to engage more wider population wow past performance charts that look the same between North America and the U._K.. Next thing you know we'll all be using the same money who knows stick around nice well. The pound is racing with the moment so yeah. We're on power to very interesting. Well thank you so much for bringing us up to date on this I look forward to. Having a better chance to handicap all these races before the Breeders Cup rolls around we're going to take a short break here on negate the when we come back so many people in thoroughbred racing are putting a lot into making the Horse Racing Integrity Act the federal bill that saves the sports credibility not so fast my friend we'll talk with the Fed who has a keen eye on this bill and says it's not what it's cracked up to be so don't go away you in settle for a two star Spin Class A personal trainer would you so why settle for bank that treats you just like another number. 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It seems the proposed Horse Racing Integrity Act of two thousand nineteen which would put the rulemaking and enforcement of medication rules for horse racing into the hands of a governmental organization most likely the United States anti-doping authority you saw two proponents of the Horse Racing Integrity Act think the bill will be a panacea for the many ills that plagued the sport particularly the problems at Santa Anita this past winter. We've talked about the the bill on this show including professor who knows how the federal government really works and who said that the bill's chances of becoming law Q. The song from schoolhouse rock are very slim well since that podcast we did which which referred to the bill in the House of Representatives a similar bill has arisen in the Senate that does amplify somewhat chance that not only might the bills advance but that with both chambers thinking about the idea of third party drug regulation relation it might one day become a reality. I still think the chance of that is pretty slim but there's progress because of that it is worth at this point hearing from someone who sees the holes in the proposed horse Racing Integrity Act what it would accomplish and what it would not accomplish if past is there a way to improve either or both of the active bills to give the idea that teeth it needs to be successful for that perspective we welcome in for the first time here to win the gate thirty thirty Plus Years Veterinarian Dr Sheila Lions Founder and Director of the American College of Veterinary Sports Medicine and rehabilitation. You seem almost disappointed that the Horse Racing Integrity Act would only accomplish Bush two things creating uniform rules and regulations amongst all states and eliminating drugs on race day. What makes you use the word only in your critique the reason I use the word only and that I see that in that light is that that really will not get to the heart of the problems that we have related to these drugs that goes to not only the safety the <hes> the high mortality rate but the <hes> morbidity <hes> rate that we have where these horses are developing permanent pathologies in just a few short years in the sport so if all we do is eliminate race day medication and let's face it? We're talking about lasix. There and I think that's a good thing to eliminate that <hes> I is that <hes> we're not going to be addressing the widespread abuse of drugs that leads to the real problems that were trying to <hes> find a solution to well. It sounds like you're getting at that. You can't have these drugs on race day. According to this proposed rule but you can train with them and that's just as much of an issue for you is what it sounds like well not only that there are <hes> a lot of problems with this proposed legislation mission for one it would <hes> establish a list of permitted or therapeutic medications and I can tell you that no medication is is in it of itself therapeutic. It's only therapeutic in a therapeutic context so let's for example take <hes> one of the most common conditions that race horses can actually be expected to you have during their career and that would be an acute fetlock arthritis so inappropriate treatment when you have that condition which is an overuse injury. It just means that that horse horse either went a little further or went a little faster or the trae. The track came up a little bit harder or there was some change in surface so that the body was not acclimated to the work that it was just asked to do so that's very common and that's the way bodies strengthen that's how they become fitter and stronger and faster is by doing micro damage and then allowing that body two to respond to the micro damage not only by healing it but by strengthening the body says Gee you know we've never had those loads on it before. It looks like we need to lay down more bone here but that process that is playing out. That's trying to play out in these horses is <hes> interrupted when you simply administer an anti inflammatory medication and then continued continue to train the acute arthritis tells you that there's damage there so whether you remove the outward sign of that which would be the heat and inflammation associated with it and and perhaps the lameness that doesn't mean that the body of had time to heal it so rest is an essential component for that drugs to have a truly therapeutic effect so so what this legislation does and what all the states are doing and they they're doing it for. Originally I think good intentions you know you don't want veterinarians to have their hands tied when we need to treat horses for the common conditions that they acquire in any sport so you come up with a list of drugs and you say we understand that you need to use these drugs from time to time so we're going to to permit them to be in the horse. Whether it's their withdrawn a few days before the race or for a long time they were allowed even on race day but the problem with that is that if the horse continues continues to race and train then that ends the therapeutic context so that that drug can be beneficial and instead what it does is it accommodates the continued training and racing of an injured animal correct me if I'm wrong just to give a human analogy of the micro damage rehealing thing. Isn't that the same concept in weight training that your muscle fibers are suffering micro damage from from lifting weights and then when they remodel that's when your muscles get bigger exactly exactly in the same thing happens to bone the same thing happens. If if you have young children in your household when you watch them grow and you see they you know they'll stand up and at first they'll just take a few steps and then they'll crash right down to the ground in crawl around for a while well you know bones are programs so that they will strengthen bank then <hes> in response to increments in increased load you know you can't you know suddenly <hes> take that toddler and and have them run a five k. race as you know you would break down their bones well the same thing applies to these racehorses. They need to be incrementally stressed in increasing degrees to the point where what we're asking them to do in a race is well within their <hes> capacity that we have <hes> had their bones adapt to so that they can then. It's just the fastest horse because they're all. <hes> equally prepared if we science but but by using these drugs during training and by <hes> <hes> the fact that veterinarians have been so willing to to accommodate the trainers requests for these drugs what I hear all the time from trainers when I sit them down and tell them you know what has been going on in their horses body and the opportunities that have been missed list to have pathology resolve very easily now it may be permanent now the the damage to a joint may be irreversible and what I hear again and again and again from young trainers. There's an old trainers is the same thing. Why didn't my that tell me this? Why am I hearing this from you? I didn't know the Horse was barely lame. You know I I it's hard to believe that just because I gave this horse horse that drug you know whenever it <hes> worked or whenever it raced you know it was it was never even really lame and now you're telling me because I've done that over the course of the the last several months or or year or so with this horse that now there's nothing that can be done so they believe that because the veterinarian is delivering the drugs then it couldn't be a bad thing but I'm afraid that that's just not the case then that's been proven again and again now back in two thousand thirteen the chairman of you Sada Travis Tigard testified before a House subcommittee that the only way you saw it would have any teeth in regulating any sport in this case horse racing would be as an an independent third party authority you right of your concern that you saw two would not have independent authority. What makes you think that <hes> it's because the legislation calls for the creation of this so-called authority but where six of the members while they would initially be appointed by you Sato or selected from a <hes> list? I guess that is provided to them that those six individuals are all representatives of the industry themselves. I think one has to be a writer. One has to be a trainer. <hes> there's a breeder owner in only one of them by the way as a veterinarian and all of this legislation is speaking to the use of drugs and yet we have nothing but lay people with with one exception all talking about the regulation of drugs and and the legislation calls for a two-thirds majority in order for any of its regulations to be enacted and if you thought a has has <hes> seven members and this committee has six members then that means if that committee of six votes as a block then they can block anything that you saw would choose to put forth as a regulation and the other thing that this committee of six does is it controls the budget so let's just be ridiculous <hes> to make an example apple. If the committee of six decided okay you saw to have at it you can regulate drugs any way you choose to do it and we'll even pass all of the regulations that you want to put forth and we'll give if you <hes> a thousand dollars to regulate drugs in horse racing this year you know it whoever controls the purse strings is going to control regulation and the way this legislation is set up that committee of six horse industry insiders that portion of the committee will control the budget so is this. What makes you feel that you Sada would leave the <hes> regulatory agency after five years which the House bill stipulates that you thought it would be officially connected for five years and you assume they would not be after that is this part of your thought process on that <hes> it is I listen very carefully to the testimony of Mr Tiger at that hearing and <hes> I also testified at that hearing and had a chance to have some discussions with him and I believe him him when he said that you saw two will only become involved in <hes> regulating <hes> anti-doping for any sport and up until now they've all been the human sports if they're giving complete authority eighty and that it would fail because you simply can't have that conflict of interest involved in the anti-doping authority so when I saw that this legislation already had an exit for you Sada then that's when a lot of the conversations that I've had with the some individuals who have been promoting this legislation? That's that's where it <hes> sort of clicked in my mind that that was the intention all along bring you Saudi in you know have them sort of if you want show the this new authority the ropes so to speak but anti-doping authority does not rely on on simply setting rules it relies upon the incredible expertise that an organization like you saw or Wada has developed over decades and I and when and I do say when you saw to leave the authority then we have anti-doping <hes> regulation left in the hands of a committee of six horse racing industry individuals where four of them would make up the two-thirds majority so we would essentially have anti-doping controlled by four individuals Joel's who are not veterinarians necessarily the veterinarian may not be in that majority so you would have four lay people who at least in the past have had strong ties in the industry industry and they would be setting all the rules setting all of the sanctions. I just think that that's a prescription for disaster. We're chatting here on in the gate with Dr Sheila Lions the American College of Veterinary Inari Sports Medicine and rehabilitation now. I know you brought up the enforcement issue but I want to get back to the rules for just a moment here. Another issue is the authorities control versus state control and that brings up a couple the points for discussion here first of all right now rules governing medication and the administering of that medication come from individual states in your critique. You say that medication control is ultimately achieved through individual individual states statutes that makes it sound like you don't even want the proposed authority to have ultimate control. So where do you stand on that well by all means any sport whether it's human or one that involves animal athletes needs to set its own standards that enforce additional restrictions on the use of medications of course for preventing preventing performance enhancement to prevent injury masking but the sports themselves don't decide what drugs are appropriate therapy that comes strictly from MM state veterinary boards so for example when I earned my doctorate in veterinary medicine and <hes> paid a lot of money and I went to school for a very long time when I walked away away from commencement ceremony with my doctor a veterinary medicine degree in my hand. I had no more authority to prescribe medication than you do. That authority already only came once I became licensed by a State Veterinary Board so the authority to prescribe to administer to dispense drugs comes strictly from state veterinary boards with the caveat that the F._d._a. and the D._A.. The federal agencies in the cases of some drugs exert additional control also <hes> for example if it's appropriate within standard of care for me to prescribe narcotic <hes> pain reliever for an animal than I not only have to abide by the State Law with respect. Respect to standard of care for veterinarians but I also must abide by additional federal laws that comes to the conditions under which I can prescribe it and how I label it and how I a handle those substances because they have a high potential for abuse so that's where drugs are regulated whether your physician or a veterinarian so to suggest that some <hes> federal authority that doesn't grant the authority in the first place to the to the license veterinarians who have access to these drugs that they are in some way going to give permission and to use those drugs violate state law well. I understand what you're saying. That's different from saying that somebody like you. Sada would say here are the drugs that can be given to horses. That's not the same as saying that Oh you Dr. She'll alliance have the right to administer those drugs to those horses. Am I getting that right. That's right and there's there's a term called the veterinarian client patient relationship and basically what does that sort of shorthand for standard of care and what it means is that if I if I have a racing commission license as a veterinarian so now I have agreed to not only abide by that States Veterinary Board statutes but I also agree to abide by the regulations <hes> that govern that <hes> horse racing in that state <hes> that <hes> ah but but my authority <hes> still goes back only two standard of care so and that standard of care means I must take a history from the client I must examine that animal and make diagnosis or a differential diagnosis <hes> several things that it could be. I need to perform whatever diagnostic tests are necessary for me to confirm that diagnosis then I can only select elect a drug to treat that condition if it is given in a therapeutic context which means that if a horse requires rest in order to recover from something like a transient cement traumatic arthritis then I have to make sure that that advice goes with that drug now that's different than the <hes> Federal Authority saying you can. I use to grams of Butte up to twenty four hours before race now what they're really saying is if there's a proper therapeutic context then from from from a racing standpoint we will <hes> we will allow that <hes> but what they're not saying is that you know we give permission to give those drugs and yet that's exactly how so the many track practicing veterinarians in trainers view these permitted substances. They look at them like it's a Chinese menu. You know you can take one from column me into from Column B. and Gee. I have a horse. It's going to race in a week so they start selecting the drugs in accordance with what the the state <hes> Racing Commission rules will let them get away with and that needs to stop and that's why this legislation legislation I feel is very dangerous because it plays into that mindset of there are permitted medications that there will be sanctions given through this <music> horse racing authority that will be set up only if you violate their prohibitions but there's nothing in this legislation that says we will make sure that for every <unk> dose of every drug that's given that the standard of care is being upheld them. What is that standard of care? Tell me again well. The Standard of CARE is that <hes> before I can prescribe drug for a patient and I need to take a history. I need to do a physical exam. I need to do tests to make a diagnosis that whatever drug I prescribe has to be in keeping with what would be therapeutic <hes> and it has is to be in a therapeutic context so you can't say on the one hand. I've diagnosed an acute fetlock fetlock arthritis in your horse so I'm going to prescribe fennel Buta zone for it so that you can continue to race and train it. That's not a therapeutic context it needs time off and then once that joint has healed and that horses sound and there's no inflammation when there are no drugs in effect then the horse can go back to racing in training and that would I would be a far more efficient way of managing these horses because they while they would get time off on a fairly regular basis says we're talking about a few days here. Maybe a week there at the end of the year. You still have a healthy joint whereas if you keep training them through these things and racing them through then in a matter of months you have a horse I that now has lost the capacity to become normal. How much do you think the problems at Santa Anita this year and the negative publicity that is followed has impacted the urgency and details associated with this push push for drug reform in the sport? I think it's had a great impact. <hes> I have to say that I have never seen the public engaged in the way they are now for instance in California I I have <hes> both racing clients and show horse clients and some of my show horse clients come from racing families that are no longer in the sport and it used to be that those show horse clients would say oh yes my parents were really you know big breeders owners and thoroughbreds and it's just not for me so you know I decided to not continue with it now. Those same you know once <hes> racing sort of fans are now asking me if I think that there should be a referendum on the ballot some are even getting together <hes> with other like-minded <hes> people and <hes> planning to get the signatures that are necessary to ban the sport so <hes> yes. I think that what happened at Santa Anita <hes> needs to be addressed. <hes> I think that it needs to be addressed by by applying diagnostic imaging as a screening device that that's perhaps a subject for another <hes> another podcast for you but <hes> absolutely <hes> California is is the litmus test for us all and I think that it's under very real threat at the moment for having the sport band well. The public is certainly engaged and of course sewer we and we thank you so much for sharing this perspective active that we have been sorely lacking on this program so thank you so much Dr Lions for your time and inside my pleasure. Thank thank you for what you do art thanks to Dr Sheila Lions into Ed Gretna in nineteen ninety nine. I interviewed Mary. Lou Whitney who arrived with a guy I thought was her chauffeur but the person who helped set up a chat said Oh you didn't know the guy her husband was forty years younger. You might not expect the society woman to race sled dogs in Alaska or mosh pit dance at grateful dead concert but there was no restraining Mary Lou's overflowing effervescence in so many different arenas pitchy flirt yet what brought Mary Lou the most pleasure was the sport of thoroughbred racing particularly in Saratoga Springs. 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The Petersen Automotive Museum

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The Petersen Automotive Museum

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I'm tasking these world class experts to teach me something new in less than an hour. Listen to teach me something new on iheartradio, APP, apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to car stuff a production of iheartradio. Hello and welcome to car stuff I'm your host. Benjamin I bet bowl. We are joined as always with our super producer Kurt vitamin G Garin. How's IT GOING KURT? Skin great needs. The name stuck vitamin C. Vitamin Keizer. Actually. There's actually vitamin K. there is maybe that's a better one. Maybe she goes vitamin K was that A. I don't know maybe. Vitamin. Full disclosure you did come up with vitamin. G OFF air and I think Kurt and I are both one hundred percent on board is just such a cool nickname, and it's tough to make a good nickname. What about Special K? He got. The drug that's attended. WHO's Angel is any? Way Wait Wait Special K is a drug. That was a breakfast cereal. Is it? It is okay it's A. kelloggs cornflakes. They call it special K, don't they yet? It's been confusing a lot of seedy drug deal. There's. You know there's. There's some guy the alley, just trying to sell some Kellogg's. Everybody's disappointed. But it's funny. It's like it's a it's a tiger as like like a Bandanna, on his all kind of scruffy looking like a horse voice has working for a while. Now I'm just kidding Tony. If you're listening to Mr Mr Tiger Alec on Mr Tiger. Yeah. They had no disrespect meant. Are you saying that special cases like the that's? Exhausted Blake's. Killing whatever it is Yeah Special K is the unsweetened version. I think you're right instead of flakes. No before we gentlemen before we begin today's episode, this is really important Ben we can figure this out I to advance a era grievance about serial in specific and about food products general as you know I'm very food. Motivated Person. I still have not gotten that party sub. My girlfriend said it was ridiculous because they're apparently only two of US I. I texted after we did that previous episode. Anyway here it is Remember Raisin Bran. The I do. is never a fan of his brand. Two scoops of raisins. See here we go. Oh, here! We go at the heart of the problem. You cut to the quick. Oh, I'm so sorry. This is perfect you're. You're saving this time because we shouldn't be nice about it. Have you ever heard of this thing called shrink, flation know, but I've never heard the term, but I think I know what you're getting at, so there are fewer and few like. The price of a box of cereal is staying the same. Yeah, the amount of cereal you get is dwindling, but the boxes stand the same size in the box same size. Okay, just like when you see maybe a can of your favorite beverage or something, I know that the the curvature at the bottom of it has increased false bottom. Yeah! By candy bars and you notice that they've. They've literally like Cadbury Candy. They've literally cut the corners. Yes, to save eight percent of the chocolate would normally be used in the bar. Hi, I'm trying to think of an example of this seems like there was an airline example this recently, not recently I shouldn't say. A catch this decades ago. Okay, but when they used to serve inflate meals, and I think it was something crazy like you know by not putting an olive on you know whatever the sandwich was a single oliver single slice of olive. This airline saved like hundred thousand dollars a year something. It was some crazy, but it shows you. The scale of what's small change like that can mean to a big company there we go. That's right. We are going to segue. What? About. Thank you for letting me complain about this I. I've just been noticing it more and more. It's one of those things you can't unsee. Can I other Food Related Conway? Always I'm looking at you right now. Yeah, and you have a coca-cola Cola in front of you. They do right here. Probably bottle right here in Atlanta if I had to guess not a Coca Cola commercial by the way but I, but when I wanNA point out is. the year using a paper Straw. And I l. that's the thing to do apparently and I'm I'm not I'm not on board with this whole thing. The texture bothers me immensely on 'em the way and they fall apart. No, no, no I'm saying like. No, it's not one of those like like I. AM upset by using it I just can't use myself I feel like they stick to my lips. They just feel weird. I don't feel like a straw supposed to feel so a do tend to use a straw from drinking soda. However, when this whole plastic Straw thing happened I. Get it get it, you know do your best to make the world a better place and so on, but the thing is that the vast majority of plastic pollution in the ocean is coming from commercial fishing. It's not coming from Utah Johnny or gene America using plastic Straw when they go to McDonalds but we add our office now. We only have paper straws. We don't have the flexible straws. Anymore is a shame. There's a superior Straw. Everybody loves the Bendy Strauss right I mean I. Think everybody across the board. You know whether young you'll old. You'll love the Bendy Straw so disappointing when you get one and you put it in the wrong way. As. We discover that it was the indie one too late. I've done that before. Yeah, it's worth. Yeah, you're right the worst, but I've forgotten about the disappointment that leads to. Pointing I guess if you do that like a milk, shake or something that'd be the worst you can't. You can flip around if it's in water something fine guests. We can't be defined by our regrets. Taylor? What do you say we talk about Him Museum today? How about that yes? Yeah, okay, so I've been as you as you guys know increasingly. What twenty minutes into the episode and maybe we'll talk about some cars to I don't know. I mean recently being now in or current incarnation of car stuff I'm increasing finding myself being a on the road correspondent. Yeah, awesome! Yeah, that's great. I love being able to do this. A love being able to find these amazing museums, these amazing stories a lot of stuff Scott that you and I have been talking about for years. I love being able to go there in person recently. I was stranded in Los Angeles. Doodoo a series of cartoonish and in retrospect hilarious circumstances. And I finally you know I did that thing where I was thinking stuck here. I'm I'm going to be here for a day and don't have I don't have a ton of stuff planned so I can either. Just wander. The streets should do often, or I could do something productive which I do less often. So so I finally did it I took you up on recommendation from years ago, and I went to visit the Peterson museum fantastic. And what was your impression? The very moment you walk into that museum, because it does make an impression immediately. Yeah, Oh, man, it hit me before it hit me before I. Walked in because I, I got a sense of the scale of the building link. We've all seen the pictures you. It didn't really hit me. How large the museum actually is has kind of a funky designed, doesn't it I mean like really rounded. It's not it's not squared off in any way it's IT'S A. A It's a very free form very organic, looking building with There's like red I think red accent behind it, or that's maybe just lighting that they could change I. Don't know I can't remember, but it's metal on the outside very striking building design just as you approach the building, but then when you go inside once you're in renovated version which we'll talk about renovation and all that right through here hazard, that's part of the the history of the building itself, which is a it's. GonNa like a semi historic built in writing in dot in Los Angeles. but when you right when you walk in I. Mean You know you're in for something? Special here at at the Peterson Museum Yep absolutely and it was a lot to Take in. What I walked in. I thought okay. This'll be. Speed, pretty simple I can. Just there's probably a point as start at a point you debt, or whatever, but the way the museum is laid out is in terms of rotating exhibits. You know in some permanent collections. They also have A. They also have a vault which really sport later. No which you and I talked about on the. Previous episode, but this is no fool being one of the largest automotive museums in the world. So this is a museum that you could go back to a few months later and reasonably encounter all new vehicles. Isn't that crazy? I mean with the rotation of the vehicles that we'll talk about you know there's there's several that are rotated in and out they have you know other exhibitions that go on at. At the time, so there's there's like this endless supply of variety that they can throw out there. You know that they can. They can mix and match these things together how they would like and put together collections that either make sense or are very eclectic, or you know whatever they want, and they also bring in. You know special exhibitions that are of course more focused. You know you know the. Only lasts for short amount of time, so if you're fortunate enough to be able to go there, you're able to catch those things, but they do have a lot of I. Guess we'll call them. Resident vehicles that they can bring in and out that do live in that volt in and that they do throw on the floor, but I would bet that you know. I went to the museum Fort Forty years ago. Something like that. Yeah, and you went just recently, but I would bet that. You saw very few of the same vehicles that I saw on the floor. Yeah, yeah, there was Let's see so they had. The Hollywood dream machines that was one of their big ones, and that was the one actually the most mixed feelings about this. This is like the movie cars right exactly exactly so you'll see some batmobiles. You'll see some George barris design. At I love that topic And then they had disruptors. They had some. Motorcycle design that a lot of racing Like. Groundbreaking racecars is a Bruce Meyers exhibit of these epic. Race cars ten of them from nineteen, twenty, nine to nineteen seventy-nine, and it's stunning. We're talking about historically important cars like the first production Shelby Cobra from sixty to cool the greer black prudhomme dragster, also from sixty to this one, one, two, hundred and thirty, seven of the two hundred and forty one races. It Ran Bo. Under you know driven by Don prudhomme The snake the. Yeah and They had a Bonneville Racer the twenty nine Ford some forty-seven. I'm sorry I'm still laughing at the snake nickname. That's a that's a great nickname to great nick combine. It depends on who you are. Yeah, well. Yeah, I, guess so, but if you drag racer. That's a cool navy drag racer. Did you can rationally support being called the snap here in the office I wouldn't want to. To be called the snake like like Oh. They're Scott. He's the sneaky snake. Yeah, I, think it's different when you're when you're nickname inserted between the first and last name as if it were a middle name, but if you were called snake like yes, nate Garin or snake Bolan. That's a good puzzle different. You know maybe like don the snake per dome. Yeah, sure different than. Snake, predom-, you're right. It is like his parents might have. named him snake. Bit, but you know you'd always question that. You is wonder unless you ask the man himself so I don't want. ASK SNAKE IF It's right up there with what's what's your whole deal? What's your thing about? Chances of I'm telling you are slim to none I. don't know maybe snakes. Do I just I have a thing with nicknames after certain. I I don't want to make A. don't want to trample on anyone's right to expression or something but. One time. was out of the road. And I was hanging out with friends who lived in town. This was Nashville Tennessee. And Meta an acquaintance of his that the local bar and grill. Who was well into his forties or fifties introduced himself as snake. Bite knows like I don't know if I'm going to call you snake bite, man's hereby. You're like well into adulthood. Wow is my by if I met a ten year old. Who was like? You know my name's Herman, but I go by snake by I would be like right on snake bite. You know you conquered the world. I feel like. This has nothing to do with any. Did he look like a snake to you? I mean every. Day. He looked like he did some time. Maybe that's where got it. The nickname stuck. Yeah, it's a name. I always heard the rule with prison names. was that the more noxious Saudi the name, the more carefully you should be around the person really yeah Brian. If? There's like a seven foot to your name smurfs. Though restless for. so I did not get arrested at the Peterson. Museum all good for you. Thank you! Yeah, I'm taking that as a win by didn't neither you did not either on now. Was this Bruce Mayer exhibit up when you visited a? You're asking a lot of my memory here, but but no no I. Don't think it was now. So that was one of the most impressive things, and it's really tempting when you're in one of these museums to get too close, which is why they have the museum minders, their volunteers and so on. On Yeah and it's strange because I'm the guy wants to look under the vehicle. Want to look inside to see how the scene works out. especially in some of those land speed record vehicles Oh. Yeah, like I figure out exactly what's going on under the skin of those things written. Yeah, it's always fascinating, and that's just one example we get into some other exhibits, but the museum itself has twenty five galleries storing well over a hundred vehicles in those galleries, and that's only half of the collection if that, because in the basement. There is vaults. Vault if you pay a little bit extra. Have some connections and your? Life. I don't think they let kids in I think eighteen or over. Yeah, yeah, then you can go and view the vaults, collection and no photographs and no photographs. A tough thing to adhere too because you'll see some real gems down there. I mean, but they'll all eventually make themselves available on the floor. They'll cycle out. They will, but you're going to see some stuff down there. That really surprising interesting. You know, maybe even not fully restored yet. If they're working on them, you know the thing I love I love seeing that. That's what I remember. We had a conversation a longtime going back to Nashville I guess on. The Lane Motor Museum Yeah Yeah just outside of Nashville and that's one where you can get right around every. You can get right up to the cars. There's no ropes so as long as you don't touch, you can lean you, can even they even have the windows open on some? You can lean your head in if you want as long as you're holding your yourself backs your belts, nut, scraping anything or or right or whatever you carry, but they had a basement tour and it was fantastic. It was an extra few bucks to go in the tour and as some of the best things that I saw of that day were down in the basement. Still and I don't know what the. What the thought was behind it why it was so exciting to see them down there like that then they're park. Just like it's an a parking structure were even. Tighter than that even. So they're very very close together, and you don't get to see the from all angles or get as close as you would, but it's just exciting to see them not even displayed, but to see them park there like that. This one, the Peterson there've been a lot of people that right you know blogs or online authors that write about their experiences down in the Peterson Vault, and you know what they've seen what they have encountered, and I think wasn't there. There was like one of Saddam Hussein's cars I think was down there at one point I believe you're correct. like one of those old, really stately looking Mercedes vehicles. You know that you can picture and dictator in. You know the really. It's like a Mercedes Limo, but it's like the old diesel. Flat Hood Type Vehicle. You know that's really big but elegant, but also it now looks very very dated. You know, but you could definitely picture any a dictator riding around in the back, but they've got some real treasuries down there. It's the one thousand nine, hundred, seventy, eight Mercedes Benz six hundred. Yeah, it's probably still there. If I had to guess unless they auction, it offer something you know, and this is interesting because these cars especially were mostly used by heads of state. Oh, that's cool. They were like the cars of the ruling class picture that. Hussein had his until lose overthrown overthrown in two thousand and three. The car is not in perfect condition now and I would assume so. It has some dense in it because guards would sit around on the trunk. And their rifle butts would hit the metal. That right I I probably shouldn't be laughing at this. It's a dictator is car, but I mean you can almost visualize this when you see especially if you see the car, or if you know the car that we're talking about it just has that look it just? Has that old style dictator this is. The show is vehicle. I could own. Look you know and parade myself through town. You know kind of like a show of force, you know. It reminds me a little bit of that scene. In one of those Indiana Jones films where the not Caesar trying to bribe a Middle Eastern ruler, and they have gold and treasure, and the guy doesn't care about that because they gotta car. Do you remember that? No, remember this I got. To water the scene, I guess yeah, see what car was probably like an old diesel Mercedes or something like that was nice one. Yeah, so that's just one of the weird vehicles around the Peterson. Museum one thing that I thought guys are really enjoy is the nineteen twenty-seven Pedrozo. Do you know about this I do not so? Enlighten us, so here's the story back in the twenties. There's this obscenely wealthy Spanish guy. The Marquee had they're also, and he's living in. France and he decides to build his own sports car. Yeah, so he designs, and he actually does this. He designs a supercharge straight and he. Implements some pretty forward thinking innovations and he gets so excited again according to the story. That when he saw the car when he was getting close to building near running engine. Yeah, he just took to. From his porch. And put him on and took off their only two that were ever built. The only one that survived is at the Petersen Museum. He built I'm surprised that there were two built. You think it'd be just the one really I know. It was like It was just a rich Man's folly. wicker seats from the Front Porch. That's. got covered with canvas. Okay all right when he regained possession. That's crazy when Peterson Museum Gotham, they also receive full blueprints of the design so theoretically you could build another. Today if you want it, I. Don't think I want to okay well. Maybe maybe I mean I haven't seen the car, so maybe maybe I'll check it. We'll don't over commit yet. Because cars got some stuff. Unusually I guess I. Guess Wicker for a material. Isn't all that unusual. Yeah I mean. com his lightweight. It was it was durable are relatively durable. I should say but I mean just the idea of throwing the ones from the porch on car. That's strange and he has. Not Necessarily secured all that well I would believe probably strapped down. You know leather straps, or whatever, yeah, if that, but the thing that's different about the the thing that's different with wicker specifically is that wicker was used in automotive construction when there were many like custom coach builders. You know what I mean. Yeah, we talked about that before. Like the same people who build the furniture or like all right. Yeah, just bring the chassis of the car over. Why Not Yeah I? Mean and we see it on on even the exterior vehicles you know with late over with lacquer. Design elements. As beautiful beautiful designs. Come out of there that you know have. Stuff you'd never would see before you know at this point in time. 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Star Wars fans, the name of that tiny Yoda in the man delorean is not baby, Yoda, but everybody calls it baby. Of course. Yes, so this is why they want us to call it like paypal sport. I think or something like that. Yeah, some the way less TV. So, this mobiles a Nineteen Ninety Eight Cadillac and this is one of the only examples of one that a pope mobile. That was open top constructed on amount. MODERN CHASSIS GM Mexico built it for John Paul the second. Just to use on his trip to give a speech at a stadium in Mexico, city. The glass box on this does not and. Good thing to mention Scott because he never actually road, and the Cadillac there were security concerns about the open design, however, as the manufacturers are quick to point now, the pope did bless the car on the visit, so it's it's got cosign really. And it has the seat mechanism that we talked about earlier pope mobiles. Yeah, you know where so? On, several pull mobiles the people seat. Where they actual pope sits is on this hydraulic system that can raise or lower the seat. Oh, that's cool. Yeah esplanade highlight that and that's the ones that have that bulletproof shambling do that, too. All that is good. That's a that's a cool feature I think that's. That's interesting to be able to raise and lower yourself into into that box in the glass box. See this is yeah. This is where the dictators need to Be Humble, because no matter how powerful you are as dictator, I don't think there are people who are building specific cars for you to take a field trip. Starting to laugh when you're describing when you said that the pope bless this vehicle, I got a picture. My head of like George Costanza in Seinfeld like buying a car that had claimed to have been blessed by the Pope or something know remember. He had a JON voight. Right. It wasn't the actor Jon you remember. He bought a car that was. All right I have I feel like it's one of those moments where I have to say this because I know I have many many years ago. There used to be a chairman of of Chrysler named Bob Eaton, and it was back at the time. When my wife and I. At the time we worked for a company that was like a supplier to Chrysler television station and It was like their internal television station and time we bought a Jeep Cherokee that was owned by a guy named Bob Eaton, but it wasn't the Bob Eaton so anybody later. That didn't know like past US past the ownership. Yes, if they were to trace back the ownership of that vehicle, they might be confused to think that was Bob. Eaton's jeep, which I thought was kind of funny because. Because somewhere down the line. That's GONNA. Get confused still around. It was like a ninety nine Cherokee read one anybody out. There knows of this one watch out for that that fake on the on the auction block you know if it happens, but but it was not the Bob Eaton, but I always got a chuckle out of that thinking. It was like it was like Castanza's. Jon voight. Is there I mean? Okay I'm totally unaware of this I don't know the answer here, but is it legal for private citizens to own AH Pope Mobile. I guess it is yeah. Sure why not? There's no law against it. Okay? One one of the post recently owned or is still does maybe owned a Harley Davidson. Even he was like Mike biker. Wow, yeah, so he's got a great big Harley Davis I I. Don't know if he still owns it or if it's I, don't remember which pope it was. I don't remember I just don't have the. Cycle Yeah Yeah I'll have to opt to dig into that, too. Maybe you want one other quick thing, yeah! The volt the vault, rather yeah volt. Not that one I remember that we talked about a car called the Dale time ago. It was the big hoax car. Remember Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah the whole story, the twisted tale of we. Give away too much. I think that's that's a saga. Though check that out, that's one of our one of the most fascinating episodes of Don I I loved that episode of of car the those episodes I should say it was so much fun to research that it was just a blast. At the Peterson. They own one of the Dale cars so probably. If if you were able to get down there in the vault I'm sure that it was down there somewhere if it. It's one of those cars that I doubt. They will ever let go of no I. Don't think that they would well it certain that no one's going to drive it off. It's one thing that we do know. Yeah that it will it will. It will never make its way under the NON to La. Freeways yeah not under its own power. Weird story being involved with one of the high speed chases that we see from the helicopters. It's not going to happen. There's another really wild there to the nineteen twenty-three Maith on an visa sixteen t bucket. This engine is insane The v Sixteen. Did Not. Miss. Speak was built in the early nineteen nineties. Even though the cars from the twenties, they took to Chevy three fifty V8's and join them together at the crankshaft. There were only two of these engines ever built. An only one was ever installed in a car. and the egg heads Peterson say based on what they know about it. Probably. Five hundred fifty horsepower, five hundred fifty pound foot, torque. AIDS, it's a monster, and of course as you can imagine that chassis is pretty stretched this one thousand nine hundred. Nineteen ninety is when they customize the engine. The four t bucket was built in twenty three. Yeah, okay, Gotcha! Okay, so it's on that body, but you know what's funny I. Find This a little bit funny, so they're here they are. They're Frankenstein together a couple of three hundred V8's right, and and it's cool. It's cool thing to do. It's a neat you know. The NEAT looking vehicle I'm sure it has a certain appearance. It's really interesting and unique. But think about this. There was five hundred fifty horsepower, and there's a pile of horsepower back then. I think about like the first production viper was somewhere around four hundred horsepower, but it seems like a lot of sedans now around four hundred horsepower you know, or or close to it or three fifty, or whatever and you know you got some of these I I guess a lot of other performance. lines of cars. You know like maybe BMW's or relax or whoever you know. A lot of their top in vehicles are in the five hundred some horsepower Shir range right now for production vehicles, so it's funny that you know they're doing that back then they just the idea was just go bigger with everything. Right I mean. What cool I know to throw it on an old model. t though and you know what? I think unless I'm giving something away here Ben. The model t that we want to talk about Right Mongrel T. let's get to it. You want to, because this is one of the ones that you brought up in a previous episode. ooh and. Almost with disbelief, we looked it up because we couldn't I picture ever seen this car before, but you had You've seen it so one of the exhibits one of them rotating exhibits at the Peterson Museum the time I visited was that Hollywood dream. Machine exhibit these vehicles from science, fiction and fantasy. As you said Scott movie cars guy a delorean up there. They've got some stuff from blade runner. They've got two vehicles from mad. Max Fury Road. Yeah, which we didn't episode on there were fascinating to see up close. They're. Very dirty and And, one of the things that was really. The Star of the show for me. Were all these barest designed batmobiles, mobiles, Barest designed. I should say bat vehicles because there a bad cycle there as well I guess they decided to go with the bat cycle instead of the cycle. Stop you from. Of course I keep interrupting, but Oh, please. These cars are so cool. The Bat cycle there's detachable go-cart in the passenger side like in the What do you call that the the site card sidecar? That Robin would ride in that headed attachable go. That would launch out of the site. That is so cool. Thing I think I sent. You guys pictures of it. Yeah, that thing what surprised me. Is that little go cart? Thing is so small that I've. I haven't seen a bunch of the classic Batman episodes. The Adam West area but I feel like that's even for such a can't be sure. There's probably too ridiculous for him to really use it too often because you would have to the best way to describe how you would have to ride, that thing is to Crouch on your feet. Do what they call like the Slavic Squat. slobs, but and then, and then take your hands, and put them flat on the ground in front of your feet, and that's about your footprints on the on the go I will tell you the guy that played robin. His name's Burt Ward rights and he was not necessarily toys now es about five foot eight. Okay, so he's a smaller guy, but I mean when you look at him in those old Batman episodes. He's also very thin build, so he's not very large person. They probably built it knowing that he would be able to do it. I don't think that I could fit on this thing I. Don't I'm not much taller him. Him But I'm Heftier I'm a bigger person than burt. Ward was when he was in the Batman. Movies I'm not slim like that, but maybe it was built knowing that he'd be able to accomplish this, too, but yeah, you're right. It's it's nearly impossible thing to get on I've I've seen promotional photos of him in that position? You're talking about like on the cart ready to go I. Don't remember seeing an episode where he actually used it though I saw a still photograph of him on it. Yeah, I think probably something that you know the most production company or the movie. House sent out as promotional material. Oh, for sure yeah. Before we bury the lead. Here's why we're talking about this general. Sorry I I again I I took us on the wrong power. No, no, this is perfect because we're still in the World Batman and I did not know this. I'm sure many of our Batman, fans in the audience advance the bat fans right, should they already I'm sure you all already heard this? But apparently the joker hadn't official vehicle of his own. The jokers answer to the Batmobile. The and cap woman had her own cat mobile the. Joker mobile makes no sense for the joker to have. No, it really doesn't it's. It's unusual vehicle for sure it's not on brands. It, has this Mongrel t heavily customized We're talking like this seat backs our surfboards It's a hot ride model Tiv built in nineteen sixty six. and. It's so strange. It looks more like something that would be a beach boys phil well. and. There's a good reason for that right. I mean we did then look up history this car because we were curious about what happened and I guess apparently You can jump in here any time, but paramount pictures in nineteen sixty six. I got a call looking for a vehicle. To go into an Elvis Presley moving if you remember Elvis, Presley was doing a lot of like Hawaiian beach type movies in you know a lot of movies at the time, but one of the movies was called. Easy come easy go, and it's like A. It's a musical comedy type thing. There's lots of you know on the beach type activity going on, you know surfing that type of thing. But one that was done, and of course, the designed like what would be like a beach car for the nineteen sixties and they gave. Everybody can picture that you know the the Atlantic colors you know. The the Bright Reds Greens yellows blues. That kind of thing. I'm the seats. The seat backs our surfboards that have been chopped modified in in a way that makes sense for a seat back, and they look like surfboards. Sticking out of the car looks like four surfboards. It's of course an open vehicle. Multi everybody can picture the hot rod version of that big engine up front, and you know open the top and big fenders and everything in the the fat wheels, all around us, not to fed not like the dragster type ones, but just a cool looking beach buggy that you would anticipate you know being from that era with the beach cars. Will I guess they just repurpose this thing? As as the as the joker mobile for the Batman TV series which. Is really strange to me like why? Why would bear bears of all people? He was building so many cars, and and like you said been. This is way off brand. It doesn't seem to fit. The joker for me I. Don't know why, but it just doesn't have the right feel to. It doesn't go far. Be For me. Criticize someone's artistic choice, but the just doesn't. It doesn't feel like a joker. Mobile I think Kurt you said it best off air. Were you describing it as the first round? The doors looks like the grinches for yeah, yeah, it's all Kinda matted down and dirty. Dirty and I know that that's honest. You know it's time right. I think it's time that does that. Because I've seen shag carpet that gets into the same condition after longtime, you're on old custom vans and things, but this is just like it's kind of dirty and get a gross looking right now, but to give it credit I guess it's in the basement of a museum I don't know there's a lot of tiki designed to it I mean a lot of you know real intricate design on the door panels and. Creative, it it. It's kind of like going for it. It's it's definitely dirty yet. Creative definitely dirty and I've seen the the car. There's a a link to a video where it's a little bit cleaned up a little bit polished up and it's probably the way you saw at been. All these photos are a little bit rougher. Maybe the way it came into the shop, so it does look a lot better, but I don't know as far as being like a car for the joker, a good villain vehicle. I. Don't know if it's a villains vehicle. Has has a happier feel to it, you know. Yeah, it I. was to have that like dichotomy. Right especially Arthur classic joker in the Adam West Batman. Yeah is worlds away from like the Heath Ledger Joker, oh, yeah, or the one that we just saw recently the backstory off the joker. Oh, yeah! I guess it's Pretty Darcus well. How he actually became that person, and it's just you're right. It's a completely different character altogether so yeah, maybe, but it's still just doesn't fit that character very well. It's an oddball piece of the collection I mean. There's there's a lot of those the you'd mentioned other movie cars. Yeah, delorean, a blade runner There was I have to be on. That was the only exhibit where I had some. Would say mixed feelings because there's nothing wrong with vehicles per. Se, but you know you get up close, and you know especially with SCIFI vehicles. You can see like hovercraft. A glider of some sort and we know that that technology doesn't exist in the real world right I accept that we're there to see the design, but then when you get closer and closer things started to break down and go. Oh, that's. At is, plywood? You could tell that summer meant to be filmed from far away. Rights others are meant for close ups in those of the refined very carefully. Put together. You know well done ones. That's where you know. They got the close ups in the in the you know maybe the person inside and they're doing you know like. Driving shots or whatever but it from a distance. These cars don't have to be all that you know. They just have to have the same general shape. You'RE GONNA. Have somebody different driving them a stunt driver? Whoever right right so that doesn't necessarily matter I. Think One of the best examples I've ever seen, but not person were some of the hardcastle McCormick cars. The coyote remember the coon Coyote Kit car that they had in that McCormack, the the convict in this whole thing it's it's very improbable setup for the whole host one. I haven't thought about Robert. Yeah, yeah, but it's a great. List loved to watch that show just for that just for the coyote because cool, and they had a few that we're really well put together. And then they had some that were just piles of garbage I. Mean They just? It were five or glass shells, and they were on top of like a really rough frame, and but they drove they run, and they ran and drove, but those are the ones they would jump over Hay Bales, and you know they weren't so careful with it because they didn't. They knew that they could build another one quickly. But if you look at you, know some of the stills from the actual film itself or or the television show. You're able to tell you know like this is really really rough. You can see the the intensity with which they focused on details in some cars versus others that are a little bit worried like put together a bit more sloppily, you know right or the rough around the edges, so you were there at the museum and you're seeing things like you know. Tack Welds, and you've really saw plywood on a car like you see in like it's not metal. It's painted wood and yeah, yeah, what about any other like really agreed? Just things that you saw. Cars that were standouts for like. You. Know this is the I can't even believe. This is in here in this museum, but it's part of movie history. Yeah, I, just WANNA. Keep I WANNA. Keep it positive. Like I ate. If anything to put a positive spin on, it it just. The craftsmanship and the ingenuity of the people involved in the production, because until you get up close to something like A. Till you get close to some of these vehicles and I'm not going to name specific ones. To get up close this of these vehicles. You know when you see them on the screen. It looks real. My car is kind of like that now. Yeah, what's going on? Nothing terrible, it's just you know from a distance looks pretty good. Still the vacuum it. No I think it's just getting older, and there's some dents and dings and things from being in a parking lot. Security sitting on the trunk with their rifle. The rifle butts you that they always causes a lot of scuff and dents and things, but now just you know the the normal like minor flaws that come along with owning a vehicle for a certain amount of time, and you know you're less pleased with close up as as you are. Then you know I think it becomes like a twenty foot car. You're happier with twenty feet away. Then you are up close when you're polishing the car. And you know just all the flaws and the minor imperfections that are there, but I think a lot of these museum cars are like that, too. They're also many of them here that are. Pristine, and he just beautiful beautiful examples, and maybe I'm I don't know if I'm GONNA. Lead you to something that wasn't there. At this time there were four or five years ago on the ground floor. They had a display when I was there of French manufactured cars or or build cars Bugatti the towel. Oh, I. Think was another one that they had. But there beautiful beautiful flowing designs that were painted, just like it looked like they had twenty or thirty coats of paint on them and chrome. That was in real decorative organic flowing curves, and everything is your cars. But that was also in that controversy was have going on that. They were going to get rid of kind of the American culture. The the the south in particular, the South South Southern California car, culture type vehicles and changed the whole thing over to like these French designs, because the the new owner of the place, and there was a lot of back and forth talk about what they were doing because they were selling some cars off I think at. At the time right? People were worried that they were going to completely convert over to a different type of museum that it was never intended to be like. Where where does the line stop? Yeah, exactly yeah, because they had that history of being kind of like a a microcosm of southern California car culture through the decades like everything from the very beginning of the automobile all the way through current day. Yeah, we'll definitely expanded their collection. You know and. One of the things is really impressive. and you can see these if you go during the right time would be all the all the concept cars they have you know like they have a plymouth explorer that was built by Ghia. And it explore. Yeah is nineteen fifty four. This was just a design study. For Blake how it Plymouth look if this manufacturer built it, yeah. I like stuff like that. Yeah and is really stylish. One thousand, nine, hundred and four hundred to look that up and see what that was all about, but you, so they have more than they have other concept vehicles there of course sure. But. Yeah I I. I find like just the declarative nature of what they have to be fascinating to. It's like they they didn't focus on just one type vehicle or one Not, it's not. Not that there's a bad thing about this, but when you go to certain museums that have a focus like it's like hot Rod Matab, museum or Drag, racing museum than I went to recently the it's all drag racing cars. They've got a separate building. That has you know are the collection of the owner you know that has other stuff, but like one building is strictly just for this type of vehicle I find it fascinating that they have so many different cars. They can rotate in and out like They have all these different exhibits can again bring in and out like the they have a Porsche collection. Right I guess is is pretty exemplary as well. They have like extensive as they say. everything from one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty nine porsche sixty four all the way up through. You know modern day porsches well. They have Japanese automotive industry vehicles air on display like you know. A huge history of Japanese automotive industry so like everything from the beginning to the end of that as well they have children's race cars that are powered that they can bring out which I think is. It's a fascinating thing. I'd love to see that that I didn't see I don't think I remember seeing any of those, but the power children's race cars would be really cool thing. Because I'm a big go kart fan, anyway like right they have you know the lightning McQueen car from you know Pixar. Yeah D.C Disney car. McQueen shirt on today it's. kind of like a sort of a Superman Superman movie I just realized that I had the shirt on today. That's what I'll say. They have the NASCAR Herbie there which is kind of a unique vehicle. The nineteen ninety-two Batmobile of course you talked about they've got. Elvis Presley's Pandera is somewhere there. That car. That's another one that we just talked about recently. You know how Elvis Presley. A guy he was, he had a lot of cars, big collection of cars and the Patera one that sometimes we'll make the rounds you know they'll. It'll travel and you know with cars, the rockstars or whatever you know and I know that it went to the Henry Ford at some point, and you can go see you know. There's the bullet hole in the in the steering wheel from where he shot, the king shot the car apparently when it wouldn't start and I think the story is that. After he shot at the things started up like it worked like he threatened it into operating in. What's a street? There's a whole story behind The the pen Tara, L. and Elvis Presley but Oh and you've talked about the delorean time machine. That's one that I think. Everybody can picture. There's there's all kinds of movie cars and. Cars are owned by famous people. I know I saw When I was there, there was fatty arbuckle scar. He's A. He's a car. Guy a big car guy. He's a he's A. He's a big guy. He was the big fella, thus the nickname fatty arbuckle, but he hit cars that were built by parley earl. He went to Harley Earl on. Three cars made specifically for him. By Harley Earl he designed and built for him by him I guess that predates the days when he worked for GM of course, and was fulltime on the GM design Steph, but her one of the things about federal he was, he was like a by. I said he was a big car guy at the time and really loved automobiles. He was one of the first. First celebrities, one of the first star to be able to do this. Because he was also the first movie star that would make was was making on contract over a million dollars a year. He's the very first actor to be able to do that while so that's kind of his notch. In history, I mean other than having some you know some good films of course, but apparently a good actor Mr Buckle. Fed had some skeletons in his closet. I was to avoid it, but yeah he he I. Don't want to get into that 'cause. He's got a whole history there as well but Yasim. Definite skeletons in that closet while we're on the subject of things that are turning a bit dark. There's also the nineteen sixty seven boot hill. Express Hot Rod. Oh, you know what I'm talking about I do have seen this one I'd I dig it to see this you saw this did yeah, this is nut, so ray farmer built built a boot Hill Express. They took a funeral coach from the eighteen hundreds, and they made it a hot Rod. Yeah, now you know what? Kurt and I had talked about this on an earlier episode when we did the the seventies, sixties and seventies, hot Rod Kerma cars we It was an actual coach, it said. It said wasn't is said to have taken. One of the James Gang members yeah I, think to this final resting place at boot hill graveyard. Is that. Do you think that's true? Or do you think that's That's a myth. It's tough to verify lot of this tall tale territory. You know I wonder but in hot rods all have the these stories about them I. I like that though I like the I. Like the you know the people can kind of. Dig into it if they want to trace it back. That's always fun while I know, it sounds like we're maybe jumping around a little bit. We're doing that because we want to give you Kinda, give you a broad view of just how many different unique vehicles there are in fact I am probably going to return when I go back to that area of the world because they have some upcoming exhibits that I wanNA see. I was thinking about this after we did our famous car. Collectors episode I think Scott. Mentioned James Hatfield, metallica right? Yeah, that's right so. The James Hatfield. Collection is coming to the Pearson Museum. He has an entire collection that he's exhibiting in the museum and it started the opening. Day is today as we record this song? No kidding I'd love to go to that because he's got I, think he was a collector of hot rods, right right dot rods, and some some really old class. I mean we're talking nineteen thirties. Iron that type of era vehicle that vintage era I think. Oh, no I. Think it's a one day thing now, boy! We'll have you're listening to this episode. Live within an. Otherwise otherwise just missed out on the in the head field collection I'm sure there's plenty of other collections to go to and check out that's that's the one thing to I mean you go to their their website? They've always got you up to date on what's coming in? What's what's leaving? You know the dates of the shows and everything, so if you're in the area of you know the Peterson. Definitely worthwhile. It's not really that expensive to go. It's it's relatively a cheap afternoon but man. There's there's so many beautiful beautiful vehicles there. It really is a different type of museum altogether. Yeah recommended the I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa Start. Saying one museum is better another since I feel like. I'll be on the road for a lot of these. Yeah, but he's very different for Nagoya Museum and if you go to the Peterson, museum be aware that alike the natural history museums or the Smithsonian's. 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Want to say nineteen sixties. It was opened in nineteen, sixty, two as a branch of a department store I believe right Zebu. Yes, see boo a department store back then and then another another department store bought from arena, was a nineteen sixty five, and they owned it until nineteen eighty six, and I think it was called or box, so it was an or box department store then after that points of from sixty five to eighty six and then. After that I mean after. Peterson bought the Peterson. Who by the way I mean we? We can even say this Peterson. Public- man. He's. He's the guy that was in charge of magazines like hot rod and motor trend, and and motorcyclist, and you also had some other stuff like tiger, beat, teen magazine and Sassy magazine's Yeta. He has a really compelling story. Just real briefly on him if we can do his background. Is that right? Yeah, why not pure back the billing? Okay so Robert! Peterson was born in nineteen twenty six. Six and he was a bootstraps guy. His father was a truck mechanic, which given that lifelong love of cars. He's a veteran. He served in the Army Air Corps and he went to work as a publicist GM, and he got laid off which launched him into his creating his own business with some other people who got laid off at MGM, and that set the path to becoming the publisher of all these profoundly. Auto magazines and it also gave him frankly the scratchy needed to create his own car collection, and then to create this automotive museum so in a weird way. Thanks for being jerks. What's the old saying I? Mean every door closes. Gets the worm or something like that. I learned a learned the word for. Man I thought he guys for the blending idioms or cliches Oh. This is my My a problem, right? This is my diagnosis. I think it's your gift. It's called a Mala for a Mala for okay, so we'll burn that bridge when we get to it okay or Makes Perfect Sense. It's blocking surgery. Well when you say them the ridiculous, that's crazy, but to me. They make perfect sense. You've opened. This kid of worms now ally. These are great. You know who did this and now I remember It was in back the future. It was It was biff biff. Yeah, you're right Curtis. BIFF! BIFF was always mixing up those savings and it was so funny. But I do that myself now. I can't. I can't get them straight I. Don't think it's a bit either do I. Believe You I cannot get those straight I. mean there are some that I see that I. Can I get but others I just can't remember and like. It's funny, because like I've already started seeing it just have to finish it with whatever I can think of at the moment you know I. Can I know how to use it I? Just can't get the right words out. You always nail the beginning. Yeah, the well the I mean, it's used in the right context, but then it's not. It's the closing part of the wrap up, you know. punchline, there have been so many men that I sometimes I can't remember whether you actually said one, or whether I thought of something that sounded like it would be like a Scott Benjamin style. Observation and stuff like you know, you can lead a horse to water, but there are two in the Bush stuff like that. Now for Mala. Fork very good very good, so he anyway so Peterson. He's moved on from his job laid off, or whatever and the, and now he's suddenly thrust into the world. Publishing every wants to be a publisher right right right and made his fortune, and that's why we have to in a weird way. Thank him GM and now that we know Pearson back to the building. We did this episode backwards. Didn't we guess so you know? Maybe it was a That Tarantino like? Maybe. That's Maybe you should give him. A CO credit on this. Maybe this'll be our first non linear podcast. Actually probably wouldn't be no, we. We do this all the time we buy. It doesn't matter occurred, or you're going to edit this in, so we started. It media rests. This makes sense really yeah. I don't know about that. I. Have to ask. Listeners if any of this make sense Oh God. Building Oh. Yes, we also on a serious note. If there are any complaints, we do want to hear from you the good stuff as well as the bad stuff, so we're grateful whenever you take the time to contact us We have a special email before any complaints, you can write directly to our complaint department, which is Jonathan Strickland at Iheartradio, Dot Com twenty, four, seven, three hundred sixty five days a week. Daisy year I mean. He's GonNa. Kill us to be mean as you want. Yeah, please please let it rest. Let us have it. Yeah, unvarnished truth again only to that email address. I feel for you said Multiple Times. If you're worried, it didn't come through. I love this part of the show me to right. Oh! Okay, this building back to the building. Okay, so we're in nineteen, eighty-six and I guess six years later. Robert Peterson decides that he is going to US looking for property for museum for his interesting in automobiles he's. He's got all this money all right. He decides that he's going to open a museum and he's trying to find an ideal space and he decides that this is a great building for it. This this department store because it has very few windows. The place doesn't. It's not completely open like a lot of the other A lot of buildings downtown were and. decided that this would be a great place to have you know artifacts? Without any kind of direct exposure to sunlight, so it doesn't have to worry about Sun Fade on you know whether it's automobiles, interiors, or paintings, or whatever he happens to put up in there and decides that he's going to buy this building, and he buys the building in Nineteen, ninety-two for an odd. Some this is. This is what I find interesting about this whole thing I mean there's a lot interesting, but. This number he buys it in one, thousand, nine, hundred, two four. It's all once completely one's eleven, million one hundred eleven, thousand one hundred eleven, dollars and eleven cents. So all ones all the way across. It's very easy number to remember, but Bison vice billion in one, thousand, nine, hundred, two from that department store or box, and in one, thousand, nine, hundred forty opens up to museum, the first iteration of the Peterson Museum. And a much different version than you and I have seen it was it was a it was still nice. It was just different and the renovation that they went through. Recently they went through in two thousand fifteen, and did this this hundred and twenty five million dollar renovation, whereas we said you know they. They've done not only the inside inside museum, but they've also done the outside the museum where it's this kind. Kind of an here's a better way to describe. It I found it finally. stainless steel ribbon assembly that's made of one hundred tons of fourteen gauge type, three or four steel in three hundred eight sections, and has something like one hundred and forty thousand custom, stainless steel screws that keep the thing in place. It's really it's interesting. Looking building. It stands out in in downtown La of course, and it's just it's it's. An inside and out. This is a good experience. Really it's it's. It's the building. Itself has got its own history. The the materials inside the person who owns it or owned it. I should say he is passed on. He passed away. I believe in two dozen seven. Wasn't it that I think that's when Peterson yeah. Seven years age eighty when he died, but of course places still operating and doing well as you as said. It's just it's A. It's a great place to go, and as you've mentioned, spend more than a day there. If you can were a day I know, it's tough to spend more than a day, but if you can spend day, there I'd say you're getting your. Your money's worth out of museum for sure and the museum itself is. is a celebrity in its own right. has its own histories building as you mentioned Adam Corolla held his tenth anniversary celebration for his podcast there, so maybe we can. Can do live podcast at the Pierce Museum. One day it is involved in the death of the notorious B. I g, yeah, right? That was the last place he was seen. Live right right and the buildings featured in a couple of films miracle. Mile Volcano who killed the electric car zozo checking. WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR? That's what the EV was there, right? It was museum. What was it? There isn't a strange story someone who owned a Oh. Jimmy V. One goes to visit their their car. To return vehicles right right, it gives them back to GM and the one that that person in particular owned or rented. was on display at the Petersen Museum. That's still the the Ev one story for another day. Perhaps the so strange is, but let us know what exhibits. You saw at the Peterson Museum. Because our the average person's not seeing all of the exhibits, nor probably all of the vehicles. No, unless you work there, you wouldn't be wouldn't have been privy to see every single one of them or no. You know exactly what's coming up. When so it'd be a, it'd be a fascinating place to work, wouldn't it yeah absolutely dream job? I mean our gigs. Okay, but dream job would be working at a auto museum, wouldn't it? Yeah I guess so that would be fun. I, don't know you know what I waffle on this a little bit because I think it'd be really cool to work in a museum novel automobile. Museum would be fun to be surrounded by that, but. I mean after about a day or two. I. Don't know unless you really taken deep dives into the history of certain car, and you really focus on that and then move onto the next one I think that it would just become a bit repetitive for me. See this way you WanNa. Get the perfect job, which is either the test driver or the restorer? Oh? Yeah, before mechanic. There, it'd be great. Yeah, it'd be fine, but test driver. That's an interesting idea to if you're able to like. Actually you take them out of them around a little bit stretcher legs. That'd be fun I think you have to earn that I don't think they let you. I. Don't think on the website they have you know cash year cafe position test driver. Yeah, you know. Some of the Dawson set the Lane Museum one that I mentioned earlier. I know that I was talking to one of them for a long time and just kinda. Our paths crossed many times during the museum tour there. He's very helpful, said that you know he does get to take the eagles home. Because that's one of the pride of a lot of museums is that you know just in particular? Particular the Lane Museum every vehicle is roadworthy, so they urged their employees to take them home. Sometimes, you know just kind of work them out a little bit because it's good for a car to move it, it's it's bad for them to sit around, so they realized that and you know I'm sure that there are limitations are certain vehicles airbag not allowed to bring home like the you know the the rally cars and things like the group. B Rally car ride show up or vehicles like that that are not. Road legal of course and that's why you refused to volunteer their right. That's right rally. Nothing taken not taking A. Group B Rally car home. I'm not doing it. What important regarding these museums in this travel? So now that I am officially a on the road consultant for car stuff. There are gonNA. Be Times where I'm out of the studio because I'm on some weird mission and we would love your help. 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Ohios Ectopic Pregnancy Bill, Sgt. Keith Wildhaber

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Ohios Ectopic Pregnancy Bill, Sgt. Keith Wildhaber

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Oh you can't on the Squirrel Diet where I see it with two eldery does. What did you do for Thanksgiving we barbecue shad in La at all as uncle's house and then Oh big news? Yeah huge so always uncle is big mistake. Huge at this is a side note and I. I'm going to say it out loud. I don't even know if I can commit to this. But he has a bunch of wind instruments. And so as you may know. I played the clarinet and Erin Tall and you want to know something. Guess what I started doing. I started taking voice lessons again. I am not kidding. Plan for twenty twenty that I sing something something to your claritin. I can't decide if I wanted to do it onto our okay. I can't decide if I WANNA go back to clarinet. If I went to my GRANDPA's pause oboe more difficult to travel with what I played at my husband's uncle's house was a soprano Sax. which sounds sounds really cool because it's in between a saxophone clarinet? Oh it's a real exciting. You're taking voice lessons. That's a lie. I've signed up to take. I haven't taken one yes. I haven't bought a clarinet. Yeah okay so but it's in the works but don't you feel it like isn't it exciting to have something that you actually truly care about. That has has nothing to do with entertaining and literally nothing to do with getting like upper trying to get something and immediately I put it in the act. She'll be playing in this dramatic. If you WANNA see children's play please come to our lives lease. Can you imagine a more underwhelming opening show. Just all the excitement advantages from the room. And we're playing. Mary had a little something. Basically I know how to play Jingle Bells. Yeah that's a year is. He's always fun to ride in a sleigh. All even when it's sunny outside because you know you can do sleigh skiing on water in the summertime so cool the sunglasses. Oh call with. But there's Margarita. That's all to say I'm glad we have some musical aspirations for twenty twenty new and also if Jimmy Buffett hasn't come out with a pair of readers. Readers called Margaritas that has margaritas. Yes a turntable. Yes cod of that if he does that. Well I mean everything you you put on this podcast instantly trademark trademark trademark tm. So let's make sure. Do you want to call your lawyer. My lawyer to have him. Do you know what's good news. We have the same lawyer and he has tons of time to go sneak into the Jimmy Buffett. HQ and portrayed Margaritas. The thing is we need him more than he needs. Josh understand look I understand what America is get it and I know for a fact we can make four million dollars off Margaritas. Yes the boomers I would eat slurp Barrett heads. That's what they're called. You know. Oh I know did your parents at did you have no idea. I didn't actually. I don't know anyone who is like Jimmy Buffet like that. All the parents of the high school really people you know how that goes your parents they were all in Jimmy Buffett and Whatever fleetwood Mac? Why don't why those two go hand in hand? They seem easy living but fleetwood MAC has passionate national freely up. Even Max Gorgeous. Jimmy Buffett is a nap of a song. They're just like put on your slippers and pour some Zeh and just dancing your panties. Life's chiefs so hard for the generation. Who everything that they need to relax? Tell me a Bob Lusa ways. I've been watching Babylonian Babylon Manned Loria. So if you're a verizon wireless customer bragging I guess you get Disney plus for free. I gotTa fucking text message fully full. U2 here's our album style just pushed onto my phone really. They just tested me in the middle of the day. I didn't I don't know that we're getting a perm. I think just just my banks as usual. I do underneath so have lots of volume but it straight on the top Brian. You never took the up on the offer. I have very small Perm curlers. Yes I can do your stash. Oh can do your beer. I can do to premiums. Oh my race race. I would absolutely love that. I would absolutely. You're you have like a cousin. Dick idea right. Is it the industry your hair is I do. But I'll tell you it's cousin it when you look at it. It's the climate. It's an action. Do you know what I mean. Gorgeous and sexy. Yeah you put lipstick on it. Yeah I I took clown makeup on it. You know what's so great part the hair to see it. That's fine yeah as I enter the news and then I come out. I've imprinted clowns face on it score on on the outside and inside or outside and then go inside yes okay so anyway. It's it's a gentleman's gentleman. Hello yes yeah speaking of which. Oh Yeah Babylon blue. So I was like what's all this baby. Yoda Shit who cares and I have to say. I'm watching this series only because Mickey wants to watch it and it's a joy to watch him. Oh be joyful joyful. I give seventeens fucks about this show. I truly and also like John Vava's doing wing. It put some jokes in John Aren't you. Are you a second city alum. I actually we were talking about earlier. You were showing actually legit loved the baby. Oh to me and so I think they're so God first of all countdown to the baby. Yoda shocked they didn't have merch already out because no one everyone can't get enough. Everyone one can't get enough honey. He's beebees he sipping cappuccinos. Yeah he's he's using his levitation thing he never talks which is unfortunate because because it is supposed to be fifty years old. I think he's a baby and I think he's like fifty. He's fifty interest in real life. He's like in real life in real life. He's like nine hundred. Is that wrong. It's the opposite you weigh in here. Well how old is made Delorean Iota. Yeah I think he's young for baby for for him but old by our time opposite of dog ears. Yeah exactly food. Though Boba Fett great question and is he battered are he's why tae they both organization it's very type of warriors. The mandatory in is a type of warrior. BOBA FETT was one DJANGO. Fat was one federal they all have similar armor and stuff. Okay so I have a question. Is it like game of thrones where all the UNIX are all like grey worm or whatever they're all like they're basically their identity is tied to the Organization of the stormtroopers like the unit spray was. Can I go back one top. Yeah do you know. I've been taking cello lessons for two months. I do know that the band to gather could replay. Can we play hot cross buns. Yes yeah ause. There's words pertain to but occur. Can you think of a better opening to accommodate. I can't and by the way you know what's great about the clarinet. I can sing while all doing it so I sing through the clarinet so I can harmonize with you with my own. I can do double ensure because I have two lungs. Go get that about you. I mean I think everybody does Sam Sam. Can you sing. Oh No not at all. Okay well thank you for being honest. Now here's the thing I watch star wars if you want. I think you sold it but don't if you don't yeah this is what I WANNA say. I'm no longer afraid of children your I I did tell you like your niece. Yes that's what I'm saying I like. My niece doesn't count I went. Oh you don't even know what's about to count I went. I went home for Thanksgiving for three nights. It was actually as everyone may or may men exactly three nights. Yes three nights. I did three nights at Thanksgiving but I'm my parents and I are repairing our relationship. Elation shipping it's actually been so far so good like fingers crossed toes grasp but like. We've made some breakthroughs and talk about more in the light show which is a plug for the live? Show so Kgo San Francisco but the point is my first cousin. WHO's also my dream come? True Her name is Sarah comes to our shows. Syra also gives us beauty counter. Yes okay yeah. Yeah Hobson on instagram honey. Well anyway she brought a she came to town also she would tell passers. She bought her two kids. One seven. One Five I have to say Best Ages Ages Liam good with kids. Of course you are Brian. I am good with them. We played pool. We talked about crushes. We played a card game. We did yeah. I don't know if they were joked she showed me a lot of yoga. Poses the seven year old. You know that if they do this in public schools. Now I think it's fabulous. They do like meditation and mindfulness they fucking Shit and it's like really calm kids down because they have board. They're born with an iphone in their hand. I think they also sense that I'm fun but I don't put up with Goth because you. It started getting rowdy and you were like enough. No I just sort of said like dogs no I you know what I would say to them. I would say I would be. It would be having fun and other that and I would just say like I need a break for five minutes. And they'd be like okay and I would just leave for two minutes and then they'd ask how many more minutes but they gave me the break. It was sort of a break and they were the sweetest imaginable. And I just say I am good with kids. You're good with good kids put you in. I WanNa see you with Hollywood's kids. Do you know what I would kid. Hollywood kids I'm the worst children and the universe are in Los Angeles. I saw that is a show. I would have loved to have watched when I was a kid Hollywood's kids I would've loved it like it's incorporated. There is a kid at. I went to the market this weekend. Which is where I got this jacket and there was a kid there? I don't know what the fuck this parent was doing. But the parent was talking to this three-year-old ruled as if the three year old had the cognitive abilities to understand what the DAD was saying. The Dad was not there was no directives. There was no. Here's what we're going to do. It was just asking the kid permission. Ah for Shit and the kid was running around screaming the whole time and the parent would be. Nothing's happening and I get it sometimes when your kids are screaming. You're just like I've had enough but that wasn't the case the dad was like hey do you think you wanNA maybe not scream and I was like being a fucking boss me and you're the boss. You know what I mean like assertive. That's that's it you asshole. I could never judge anyone's parenting sal Aaron because I can't imagine what I would do as a parent except pull my hair out and hide in the closet. I know what I would do as a parent report. That's why I don't have kids because I don't have the fucking patients. Okay you know what I mean that what you did with your what would you call them. Your second cousins. I guess so I I called him niece and nephew yes. So that's perfect. You know what I mean. No you don't get out. Yeah there's no I have no responsibility. Legal legal obligation to those children. If you have if you spend a certain hour with children mountain hours you are legally obligated. You WanNa know what I did it. Cute names James. Layla and Ford Leila's a family name. I know it's very sweet Oh Shot Gabriel Union. I stand with you. One hundred percent. Do Your America's got talent bullshit. And when she was fired and the racist and sexist things that they told her that are two black. Jay Leno made a racist joke when he guest judged and Gabrielle Union took it to HR and a ignored her but then deleted the joke deleted. He did it. No no no no no sorry He was a guest on America's got talent so he said this joke but then they they they cut it out after she complained about it was I guess they'd be some sort of a Korean joke she went to. Hr because you know. She's like a pretty passionate advocate for all that sort of stuff as as we all should be and Yeah she likes so they fired her that this whole thing is they fired her and she sort of speaking about what happened on her end also Simon callow apparently like smokes inside there. Which of course my dream country but like it's a Dick move when you're around other people especially other people who may be like I don't know could be pregnant? Yeah you know what I mean she pregnant. No I'm just saying women could always be pressure. You heard it here. First Gabriel unit. I'd love to watch your children. That's the point and this. What does she is she going to sue I would do? I don't know what she's GonNa do. But I'm I'm behind you all the way. If I had a lawyer. That was an entertainment lawyer. I would want her name to be Su. Su who sues. You'll be you'll be sued by sue momentarily. Thank you very much. My schedule was chockablock. My outgoing message on my phone. Yeah you please leave. 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Okay as it a person who gave Ohio my grades three through six and Ohio had given me the the art of the clarinet. I learned to play clarinet in Ohio. Got Up my teacher was fantastic passionate about music and so I have a soft I for you do have very soft is is our basic they do. They're very very creamy. They melt and I have to put him in Ice Cube trays and then put them in the freezer. Put Him back in my socket. Yeah Berries off ties. You never helped me with that on tour. I have to say I'm still mesmerized. I'm so mesmerized and frankly I think it gives me a leg up on stage. Mariah's does should be another glasses brand Nexta but whatever the market logger readers so I have a soft spot and soft is for the Buckeyes State Buckeyes. You're also supposed to eat. PS WHY. I don't think you can eat buckeyes. I thought you I thought I thought they invented book. You could eat chocolate thing that they call the buckeyes later down the road. Yeah like I don't know if it's like pine nuts where you can just scoop them out and make a pasta anyway. There's a lot to love about Ohio And but there's also I would say the scales tip to stuff that they're doing wrong. If you're looking at the scales of justice this lopsided on the stuff that's not going right. She needs a realignment. She needs a chiropractor in school. Meditation classes also laser discs state around too long on Ohio. So I mean they were already like at the tail under the eighties early nineties. They were doing some stuff wrong. I I saw that was like the Canary canarian coalmine if a state has too many laser discs so does a huge bomb. GOP probably isn't doing the right thing so the brain trust us. That is the medically stupid Republican Party of the I state legislature has put together a bill with a focus on ectopic pregnancies. If if you don't know what an ectopic pregnancy is when the your little tiny embryo can't quite get the can't muster the energy to get to where it's supposed to go so it's it's lazy is what it is okay. Isn't it like outside. The Philippian tapers tubal pregnancy. Is One part you also have outside the flow P. It's basically like like not in the uterus pregnancy rice it's an it's an. It's an unviable pregnancy and it's super fucking dangerous for women to have these so they thought wouldn't wouldn't it. Okay so put that aside for now. Here's what the bill says. And then I'll explain what it has to do with the topic pregnancy. So they WANNA do this. They had bill called. HP four thirteen called the aggravation abortion murder and abortion murder bill so basically there's full on abortion that they wanna get rid of and then there's aggravated surveyed abortion. which is where you as? Dr Haven't done everything in your Skill set in your everything possible to save that pregnancy. I don't know why doctor who was trying to save a woman's life or you know baby's life or fetuses life wouldn't do that in the first place called malpractice so I don't know why we need a bill for this What I would do is send doctors to prison for fifteen years automatically clearly if they perform an abortion in any case where the mother's life is not endanger and in any case where there even if the mother's life is in danger if the pregnancy is in danger and they have done everything possible and so their idea is that why don't doctors shouldn't doctors be able to take the topic pregnancy? Put it in a little fucking cradle. Put it in the uterus and then just brush their hands and go. Well we did it. Isn't it what they do. You can't do that. You can't do that. There's no doctor in the fucking world who can do. It's not a procedure that exists. And let me tell you something especially with women who've spent lots of money on fertility treatment and they get an topic pregnancy. You better fucking believe. They don't want that if that was possible that people will be doing of course. Yeah it's so fucking insulting to doctors for these idiots these Gulf Dick's sure to be those. That's a low debt. I know that is a direct attack for dog kind of Jell situation. Here's what I would say I know. What's factor the factor? Here's the factors here are a Republican control of Women's bodies be the Catholic Church. And that's what's happening here. They are playing smart I guess or think they are in passing laws like this and also skirting the whole Roe versus Wade thing by punishing the doctors. You're going to punish your medical. Ah Institution for helping women here. Let me give you scenario so people with. Ud's are more likely to have a topic pregnancies. It's very aware that you get pregnant when you have an IUD slapped in your slept in your old Vaj but it's possible and when it does happen it's more likely to be topic so if you're a woman living in Cincinnati you thought you were pregnant protected against pregnancy. Now you find out that you're not just pregnant but the type of pregnancy you have could fucking is not is not only I mean not viable but could is a risk to your own life and now Ohio what they WANNA do is say A. You can't get rid of it. Be So sorry if it's dangerous they want you to do. They want doctors to perform a lab experiment on you a fake medical procedure. That doesn't fucking exist so that they don't go to prison so fucked up so basically like your life is in danger. They want you to take this pregnancy output in your uterus which was is also dangerous and then take it out and then say oh but look. We did the thing we did the thing that's made up. That's a made up thing. It's basically playing operation with an eighteenth century technique. Oh it's full operating theater shit crazy. What if we did this thing? That is based on nothing yeah. So here's what's really dangerous and Ohio is being a single mom. Okay I mean I applaud anybody. WHO's doing it but they don't? I'm doing it it not in Ohio. You're fucking single. Mom I am. What's her name Ursula? What's your kid's name? Well they're more There's feels do you know what I mean like more ails jeter exact which which are litter Ohio. She's technically an octopus. She's got great hair. Lovely skin yeah. Does she also have an octopussy. Yes okay yeah. Yeah she's Kinda mean. She hates redheads. She doings singing lessons from this is the song she makes me saying Ha Ha do home songs. They have words way for those of you like Erin right now. I'm talking about which talk about your outsmarting me. That was the problem I was like. I appreciate it. I was a babysitter. Sure I used to watch after that. Like forty five thousand times. The point has never watched it for joy. Heals her children. I'm fucking her. What's it called? Splurge or whatever's yes. Look at this look at this. Wouldn't you say man delorean's complete. Do they sing songs and mental Orient. Yeah what's on. Oh do a whole tiny baby. Only fifty Me Plus they can't get away with it. It's Oh it's so crazy. How they just do one thing into another one song from Dumbo and Star Wars? Whatever whatever song from Dumbo Baby Mine? I baby my a mind. Don't you cry. I'll tell you if you WANNA fuck it if you need. If you need some cry cry porn you play on Dumbo okay. Are you not to mention that movie. Seven minutes long fifty minutes of which are totally racist. We're like twenty minutes but they would. They thought they were taking. Some of those seems not taking them out. They're putting a warning at the beginning saying like this time this was made in this year. Their season images that are completely inappropriate. Hey why don't they do this. I don't actually know here. Are the scenes are inappropriate. Yeah here's why we think how we know. They're inappropriate the kids. I mean if your kid whose parents aren't telling you right or wrong with racism shouldn't you be. Shouldn't they held your hand a little bit. Kids can't read that message. Judge did I mean to sound like watching that movie I don't know I've seen kids reading the Internet. The Scher diverted that they will will hand the kid and Internet. I met a fourteen year old to read an article the other day on the Internet. Now it's crazy. Kids can do now. It believe it I I saw a kid just straight up scrolling. Like on a skateboard doing dual screw scrolling they were scrolling on their phone and scrolling on the skateboard free. And the better. Not enough seat belts on skateboards. Did you know that. Yeah well why not just seems very dangerous very dangerous us very very dangerous those extra boards the long ones the one that look like reports the ones that go in the water yes does does does. Don't have no those. Do have a CPA around the ankle. See that's this is why we which is the wrong place to play. I agree because what about your neck belt as an angry. They should wear helmets too. It's so dangerous agree followed water. Do you have Keanu reeves number. Because he wasn't he netwave movie. It's eight eight eight nine one one A. F. S.. I got a call. 'cause I can't think of a better spokesperson for. He's the one helmets on skateboards helmets on on all of those things. He's on everything me. He Skates I agree. I how many times have we walked down. The street and seen roller skaters just admitted rollerskates. Falling off of it is. It's not enough there at look. There's a lot of problems in this world but I say this should go right. I agree how get back into this. Okay I can do it I have a question why I feel like I asked this question. Then I get the answer. And then forget but I don't know why the AMA hasn't sued over this stuff over being forced to do medically inaccurate things that are actually against their mantra. That they do what is it. I do no harm sets against all doctors codes of ethics fully. Thought you meant the American music like awards it took me real good. Medical Association may gas asked me anything. That's read it got it so I don't know why they haven't I I think from an outsider looking in it seems like a lot of medical organizations. WanNa stay a political. But here's the thing because there people have stayed a political on the medical medical industry now. Governments are going to regulate against you because they can't regulate against women because they know that the ACLU and they're going to get their planned. Parenthood in head is GONNA come after that at very few people probably like doctors are probably not high on the list of people. Feel sorry for would be my magic. You know what I mean. What do you mean boy? I just feel like that's sort sort of an easy target to put it on the doctor. Oh Yeah in other words like I don't know probably doesn't drum up as much anger as like putting it on a woman. Oh for sure but I mean here's I think I think you're GonNa go to medical school and I don't know how someone thinks like that. I guess I'm trying to put my brain. Were that I understand it. Also I don't understand as state as a state that that is doing so many things wrong number one one out of every eleven people in Ohio live below the poverty line twenty percent of Ohio. Children live in poverty. There they are twenty eight th in the country for teen births thirty nine point. Seven percent of single MOMS in Ohio live in poverty. So why on. God's formerly Green Earth would anybody do help. Those people help those people who are currently living in your fucking state. Why don't you pass laws that enbridge? Those people's lives yes. I mean there's my God I mean coalmining alone you know what I mean. Yes very healthy very healthy. All these states the Ohio's the Alabama's all the red states. First of all I guess we can usually call Ohio red state right. Yeah they have in the last election the evidence ag WHO's a Democrat. But I don't know I don't I can't tell what I think he's on the wrong excited. History here's the thing in a state that we're Catholicism. has everyone by the Goddamn nuts. Were calls is a big old cock ring preventing everyone from so. Now you'RE GONNA make people go Catholic. Did you sold that like that preventing everyone from having orgasms. You know what I mean. What that influence Democrat or Republican? That's gotta go. You can't make good decisions reaper. When you're Catholic and by the way you go to a Catholic church the crazy I have no problem with? Religion is a free country. Whatever your convictions are fine but why now going to a CAF go to another guiding I urge? I don't know it just seems to me. Like what does the one you wouldn't go to you. You're just still raping children. Yeah I guess they should probably make the laws of say. I don't agree with that and still goats stopped going to Catholic Church. So what the fuck. I don't need a movie about two of them that two of the popes. I hope so whatever's happening. Pope's yeah I where's Laura I'll tell you where honey she's under a gown not having any power net church looks right. Did you hear about this nine. Who got who fell in love with the town's person Atlan and The monastery had to go had be was bankrupt. Because she she. They've forced her out of the Church and the Catholic Church and they she was the only person keeping shit together so the monastery was just like. Oh we can't do do this anymore. And they let the whole thing crumble. Just because she fell in love with the town's percent while she took a vow so liar liar pants to try to take another another vow of marriage. I don't know to me you can only take one value out of. I think that's a lateral move. No I disagree go. You can't go out of you've won vow. Bow of a boat or a curtsy. Yes I usually curtsy on boats. That's like the first deal. It's great exercise. Yeah get the game that raised eight point. Seven seven million million on kickstarter a card game for people who are index Jews explosions lose or beams and sometimes that was a good goat. Ready to cook created by web comic artists the oatmeal exploding in kittens is a highly strategic kiddie powered version of Russian roulette. Can you knew and yet or with yes in Russian sake say yes in rushed into this game. I don't know I feel like the only say. No they're more than a million copy sold. 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Tell him that Andre the giant sent you just wonder who this was do you superior Missouri Missouri. Okay but I think it's Missouri right misery. Just getting there. I think you do say Ms Missouri. My stepdad updates say. He's from Missouri. He's mono me neither anyway. Something it has it has with the police department. Saint Louis Police Department the County Police Department Sergeant Keith. Wild Haber which honey. I'd love meet and greet with you. I'd love to be wild with wild hair. No problem well so he filed a lawsuit a couple years ago in two thousand seventeen after being passed over for promotion to Lieutenant Despite fifteen years of service stellar performance reviews was Passover twenty three times four being gay essentially that witnesses. assistive testified The test in this lawsuit that they overheard people saying that he was way too out there with with his gayness was sort of thing so so despite I mean I don't he was also described who's also described a by another policeman as being fruity and in two thousand fourteen eighteen. He was told to tone down the gayness in order to get a promotion by someone named John Saraceno who was then a member of the St Louis County Board of Police Commissioners which I jon Saraceno denied making that comment another member of the Saint. Louis County Board of Police Police Police Police. Commissioner told him to command staff has a problem with your sexuality. If you ever want to see a white shirt which I guess means to be promoted. You should down your gate us which is tone down your heterosexuality kidding just like I. I don't even know what that thing bucking in front of you. What his tongue down the gains me? Don't don't don't be who you are a don't show your personality and don't introduce us to your husband or whatever like what does that mean. Yeah so anyway. He told the court back in two thousand seventeen that it was devastating to hear. We're told that the tone down your gain is to get promoted as he felt like you've been punched in the gut which of course it's humiliating and it's dehumanizing for someone to say like we don't like you we are don't be yourself and also we're going to put you in a class that's not Very protected is just such a shit move. I bet he was honestly. I'm going to make an assumption here. Missouri you can. You could probably a US somebody who's been on side of being marginalized in your fucking kidding so sorry while taper finally did head complaining about this again. Twenty three times passed over fifteen years of service stellar performance reviews. It's unconscionable to me so when he complained he. She was reassigned to work the midnight shift in a station that was further away from his home. which again this is just like the puck and it's a similar thing? This happens all the time. Obviously obviously just happened to Gabrielle. Union has fucking police force in Missouri. If if that's the thing if you complain about something which is why people are so hesitant a two. You don't know what the ramifications will be. You don't know if you'll be heard if things will change or if you will be punished which by the way seems to be the case a lot and if that's the case unfortunately the onus is on the person who's punish tha get louder about it so that you can then you're next thing is to get local or national national support and a lot of people don't want that magnifying glass on them. We have enough food. We have enough space. We have medicines. We have argues housing that speech you do come protect who. I don't remember who I said I was going to be all on your garage and you just started sadness. We have the medicines enough food we have enough the face we have enough medicine. We're going to be fine. It's not a very rousing speech and I do it trembling pinned down my leg. My point is I feel I keep repeating myself which is a could be so fucking easy a really. We have everything we need in this country. It's just disproportionately you passed out. And we don't there's no reason there's no reason other than fear and ignorance and fear I don't even think is a factor but ignorance and hate hate. Yeah which I think is a factor of fear a fear factor spiders in your mouth or whatever to treat another human being like fifteen years stellar performance performance reviews. I hate to break it to you guys at the top. He doesn't WanNa fuck you. He doesn't WanNa Fuck you sorry. Is that what you're worried about. He doesn't want to talk to the fuck up. Go get your Greek fantasy your fucking ancient Greek fantasy somewhere else exactly. There's bath houses there. I know what I mean. There's options of course I don't know why where you're going with but now if you're if you WANNA fuck somebody sure option option. Don't don't put it on this guy. Mr Tiger Tiger Balm Tiger Balm so he was awarded Aiding Norma settlement. The jury did this the right way. And a member of the jury told reporters. We wanted to send a message. We we discriminate. You'RE GONNA pay a big price. You can't defend the indefensible. So the jurors really did the right thing. He was awarded one point. Nine million in actual damages ten million in punitive damages for Discrimination Shannon and nine hundred ninety nine thousand actual damages additional seven million in punitive damages as a victim of retaliation. So that's what he'd be a total of nine hundred million dollars ars damages. He was avoided now. Will he see that money. Here's what's happened probably not but I think and maybe the jurors knew that I don't know they wanted to send a message though of just sort of like this is how much it costs when you do this to someone who's a hardworking member of the community and who apparently is the only a plus to this police force so now saint. Louis County has hired new legal representation tax payer funded for a new you trial and to push aside. This original verdict on the basis that sexual orientation is not protected by the Missouri. A Human Rights Act so in other words. They're saying well hold on a second. Can Discriminate yes. He's not a protected class here which is again why we need the equal rights. Excuse me the Equality Act to pass. Well it has passed the house but to pass Congress fully because this is what happens when you go state by state with this bullshit so in Missouri being gay. Hey your sexual orientation is to protect a class now. They're saying we'll like we'll know we didn't we. There was no discrimination here because he's not protected here and to sort of. How can you be a lawyer and even have that like maniacal brain be like? Oh here's how we'll get out of this and what's even more fucked up is that county officials are saying that they have disdain for the fact that he's not protected even though they're the ones bringing the lawsuit they're like look. We have a legal responsibility here but we gusting. Yeah this is what they say. The county executive and the county councillor have openly openly and publicly stated their disdain for the State of Missouri Law on Sexual Orientation Discrimination but they are also fiduciaries responsible to the tax spares and must respect the current state of the law. No matter how much they're disappointed by its failure to protect all groups deserving. Protect your honor. I already see a flaw in. And they're logic. which is that if you have? If you have a fucking responsibility to your tax payers. How `bout you don't do a second trial when you agree with totally been discriminated exactly and and on top of that the firm the law firm Jacobs the law firm is called Lewis Rice not like Saint Louis? LA W I S. I said said that. Their law firm committed to diversity and inclusion and added Saint Louis County leaders have made clear to us that day share that same commitment as attorneys however however we owe a duty to our clients to make legal arguments consistent with the current law that best advance of protect our clients legal positions no matter our personal views. So how range battle on this bullshit if you didn't want to do that if you think the laws disgusting who rang the fucking Bell. Why'd you take the job and listen? Of course I guess lawyers and prosecutors. Do we have an obligation to tax payers to abide by the law. But no one really saw problem here. This is what I don't understand and I would love for a lawyer to we need a lawyer at the show is absolutely absolutely we do every day. Actually because there were so many things that the that were in law that the Obama Administration was like. We're not ever going to prosecute that there were so many it's LB lgbt not law an aunt or lack of law that they were like no we're not enforcing that trump has since been like nowhere enforcing. How'd how'd you invert endorse it? A private law from there was hired by the county so you don't have any obligation to do shit you're loud and clear. Obligation is to make money and the counties obligation is to not pay up which I do you know. There's a lot of fucking money but you're also talking about fifteen years. Twenty three times passed over. This man is completely humiliated does Z.. Message sent you can't fuck and get away with this so you're gonna be dough. It's not our fault it's not our fault said every horrible person. It is so much more cowardly to say nothing than it is to say something terrible if you want to be it is advised standards are not innocent. They're assholes if you're a lawyer and you want to be a good person you you don't do additions on your house. You don't build a pool you don't do that. Shit all the ally here on the house. That's all I hear. I hear fucking escalade. Joe Biden Escalade Cadillac. Twenty seven Ryan. Hasn't told you was that her. That was last week last week. I sang it to the world anyway. I can't wait until Cadillac comes after us. I'm so sorry. Sorry Sergeant Keith while taper that you have to deal with this bullshit again and I'm so sorry that your county see wants to make it loud and clear that you're not protected is he's still a police officer Sir Sir. I don't believe he's a police officer any longer. But what do I know. I'm still drinking a golden milk even though it's a bunch of bullshit it doesn't taste great does it. You know I don't know I don't know what came first. Did I love it I or did I think it was good for me. I it definitely makes your teeth look disgusting color it. It does not yours personally because yours you have Teflon Roy blunt underneath to. 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Bruce Bochy on Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn and Madison Bumgarner

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

53:49 min | 4 months ago

Bruce Bochy on Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn and Madison Bumgarner

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST. This is baseball tonight. Podcast for Wednesday April eight. Two Thousand Twenty. I'm buster only working from my home studio in New York killers. Wink is working from his home. Studio in Connecticut and tail. Today is a big day in baseball history forty-six anniversary of the biggest events in baseball history. What off the. I know you're not as big of a baseball design but off the top of your head. What do you think the remember what? It was forty six years ago so that was on. That's a hell of a hand so I'm thirty. So we're talking. And nineteen seventy three or seventy four. I have no idea. Buster literally zero clue. Okay well listen to this ball. And no Dr Aaron waiting out the beep straightaway fastball. Better deal clock Marvelous Marvin for baseball marvelous moments for Atlanta and the state of Georgia. What marvelous moment for the country in the world a black man is getting a standing ovation in the deep south or breaking a record of all time. Baseball idle added a great moment for all of us and particularly for him rearm. Yup that's right the anniversary the day when Hank Aaron Broke Babe. Ruth's all time home. Run Records April Eighth Nineteen seventy four. It happening Atlanta Taylor. I was ten years old and you know I told you. I grew up on a dairy farm. So I'd get up early. Four thirty five o'clock to go to the barn every day and I fell asleep before that took place but my mom wonderful late mom who really was the one who got me interested in baseball because she bought me a book on Sandy Koufax when I was eight years old. She left me a note on the kitchen table the morning after and she described it how what happened and Hank Aaron broke babe. Ruth's record and she just had one sentence and it said. The crowd cheered and I always think of finding that. Note the morning after and being so excited about About what Hank Aaron did. That's so funny. I you know as soon as you said like you fell asleep and that you're you started saying your mom in my first thought was what my parents would do is pop in a videotape and record something on TV and that just wasn't an option back in the day no and we didn't even have television. She listened to we. We had nothing but radio until I finally overpowered by parents wanted his fifteen and got to watch some got to watch the world series on television. Wow Different Times speaking of legends. Today we're going to be talking with former giants manager. Bruce Bocce Future Hall of Famer. He's got tons of stories and a strong feeling about whether he wants to manage again and stories about. Pete Rose Tony Gwynn. Buster Posey's ten. Let's go Madison Bumgarner Paul Hembekides will join us. Because he's got stuff on Bruce Bochy in the aftermath of reports that Major League Baseball on the Players Association have been discussing a plan to begin to play in Arizona in May Major League Baseball issued a statement which went along these lines. Mlb has been actively considering numerous contingency plans that would allow play to commence once the public health situation has improved to the point that it is safe to do so while we have discussed the idea of staging games at one location as one potential option. We've not settled on that option or developed a detailed plan while we continue to interact on a regular basis with governmental and public health officials. We've not sought or received approval of any plan from federal state or local officials or the players association before we get to coach in. Have you talked to Hembo about the quote Unquote Arizona Plan? Check out the latest episode of the Bill Barnwell. Show Barnwell is joined first by Todd. Mcshay as the to discuss the process of scouting quarterbacks than Bill Connolly joins Barnwell to breakdown. Joe Burroughs writes from transfer quarterback to the likely first overall pick. Fight it where we get your podcast jumping into the numbers. Valuating millions of leases data in league playing the avs Cincinnati by do bites. This is Hembo knows. Hembo is palling bikinis a researcher at ESPN D- He is a on the show. Get up he tells us he's the head Honcho. We've not been able to confirm that Hembo I can tell you. There are a lot of theories around baseball yesterday that That that story about the potential games being played in Arizona in very specific sites having bio dome type situation with fifteen hundred members of teams basically locked down to play a bunch of games. There are a lot of theories around the sport yesterday that that was a trial balloon and I think it fell flat. What'd you think I I get the same sense not dissimilar to the trial balloon. It floated just a few weeks ago prior regarding the new playoff format in some sense but to stick to the point. Here buster. I I would say when I read the headline. Mlb plans for May start in Arizona. I guess my first sort of Cynical reaction was or the also going to announce that they're releasing a vaccine because sure because short of that. I don't know how on Earth could happen then. I read the piece and after reading the piece. I think the way I would best describe. Their plan is way overly ambitious. I think that's how I would describe it to be clear. I like the thinking I like. The fact that they're willing to think creatively and outside the box and radically differently because these are unprecedented times. And we know that. But when you boil all the variables together it seems extraordinarily unlikely to me that they could pull anything close to this together. So those are I was supposed to be a fourth generation pharmacists. Okay until you gotTa Diene Chemistry. I talked to my dad yesterday about this. He said he's a scientist at Astra Zeneca. He was fooled by the plant. He he describes me as irresponsible. He thinks it is unfathomable to think that people could be playing baseball as early as next month. His best guess is late in the summer. Which is I think more in line to what you know the rest of us are hearing and to to to put it as clearly as I could and chatting with him in in reading some other Science on the matter what would have to happen. Essentially as everyone would need to be tested in order to get this improved like all everybody. Fifteen hundred people like you said which would be close to impossible given the current testing Climate and then those people would not be exposed to anything and to be able to control the behavior of fifteen hundred human beings over the course of four and a half months. I think is is next to impossible. I I would agree with you. You Know I. I wrote a column on Sunday about how I understand. This sort of reflexive push for sports leads to get back and we saw after nine eleven how it came back and it was. It was so healing for for New York and for folks around the country to the distraction of baseball and other sports which is something the White House really wanted and the White House right now. You'd probably want that. But there's one enormous difference between the stituation after nine eleven the situation. Now you made reference to it. You can't tell the players that you can keep them safe. You can't tell players you know that you're going to protect them and I tweeted out over the weekend that if I were a player by first question would be about this bio dome idea. Are The owners? GonNa be in there to our donors going to be in in in with us and taking the same risks short of that I wouldn't entertain it also say this quickly. The there are two things that weren't mentioned that piece that I think the first thing they said suggest after I read it. One one about the minor leaguers right. They weren't made mention of once. We just GONNA as other careers in the seasons at the very least of all these minor league just a wash and secondly major league baseball would have to make spitting punishable by fine like this. That is one of the one of the ways in which is most easily transmitted. Imagine watching baseball game without spinning. That's another that's another sort of a caveat to this that I thought was interesting and probably worth bringing up when we finally end up having this conversation in more. I give me some reflections on alkaline. The hall of Famer but more than that and you. You saw the reaction after. He passed away to what a great person he was. Yeah Alcohol Caitlin was One of the good guys. He was my grandfather's favorite player. My grandfather rooted for the Detroit. Tigers grew up in North West Ohio and so I got to hear lots of stories about alkaline and and revered is probably the best way to put it like. He's he's one of very He's a he's a rare breed one of very few people whose asked anonymous with the city for whom he played as anyone in any sport and it was so refreshing to see the outpouring of of love for my. I read an extraordinary Open the Detroit. Free press with extremely an enormous detail and it is you know. We talked about alkaline as a player just last week because Jim Kaat spoke so highly of him as a player. On Your podcast. But there's a few things that really Stuck out to me about alkaline. Buster's the player first of all was honestly remember him as being prodigious to sign a contract that they after you graduate high school and then appear a week later in the game is a pretty extraordinary thing he remains to this day. The youngest player to ever win about about title and I think the the best story that I read. That really speaks to who he was as a person was in nineteen sixty eight. He missed as you recall a lot of time with an injury and the Tigers went up in the world series that year and he volunteered to take himself out of the lineup despite being their best player and instead they played on four hundred and the world series and was bigger reason why they wanted anybody. But that's the kind of person he was. He was Unselfish to a fault on those he never wanted to. Mvp He he's a person who I think he was very much overlooked In some sense in an base in in the in the scope of time period baseball because there was dominated by the Yankees but a tremendous person a great player and it was nice. It sort of has his to see his moment in a more time this week. It was sad but it was. It was refreshing. Yeah it was one of those reactions. Though is absolutely universal that people really liked him and respected him for the type of person that he was. We're going to be hearing from Bruce Bochy and his second. What was your biggest takeaway from the interview? Which we we sent you a sneak preview of it and he was talking about Tony. Gwynn the Tis. Tony Gwynn stuff was extraordinary and I have to admit that I didn't ever study Tony. Gwynn's career in in in the sense sort of broke it down to before and after. He embraced hitting for power. But I was overwhelmed with the number that I saw. And you'll hear Bruce Bocce an interview talk about this so in the final eighteen career. That's ages thirty four. Through forty one he talks in a five hundred slugging percentage. That's the exact same. Slugging percentage as Fred. Mcgriff did during that time just for some context number fourteen percent higher than it was early in his rear went theoretically he would have been hitting for more power and to provide a little bit more perspective on on what that is it a player of that age or or older thirty four older the higher slugging percentage and Ken Griffey Junior Mel Ott Reggie Jackson Willie mccovey posted and the seasons. And as you'll hear Bruce Bocce say he did it without sacrificing power buster during that time. Twenty Gwin batted three fifty six only up for a higher batting average twenty when after the age of thirty three as you said. He got better with age when he gets truly embrace it for a little bit. More power and spitting on the baseball. And I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Bring this up and I didn't tell you this coming. There's one swing that I vividly remember. Vividly remember illustrating this point. Buster the game one of the Nineteen Ninety. Eight world. Series threw a fastball. His fist and Tony Gwynn sputtered around a hit off the third deck and got. It was a rocket I if I felt like I hit the deck. Like three seconds that. That is a swing. That best illustrates the hitter. That twenty Gwin became. And obviously as you'll hear that There was Ted Williams in some sense that inspired him to do it. Yeah boats tells that story about being in the same room with Tony Gwynn. Ted went my goodness. I can't imagine how much I if you ask for. Charity auction having someplace how much money would generate. Wow that's really cool all right. So what? What are your favorite numbers. Have Bruce Bocce. So the thing most about bocce especially in listen to the interview. His temperament and I truly believe his temperament had a real effect on those giants team. That won three world series. In Five Years Bruce Bocce went five five and Oh in his managing career in postseason winner. Take all games and as team bus outscored. Their opponents twenty nine six in those games. The ultimate tenant one with the giants when facing elimination in a portion of this I think truly is how he managed his bullpens and I do believe that. His personality played in In performance in an tangible way and the giants three World Series Winning Seasons ten twelve and fourteen his bullpen posted a two four two in those three postseasons opponents at one fifty four with a five fifteen p. s. in levered circumstances like it is extremely clear to me and listening to him talk and then watching how teams perform that. He truly had an effect on the temperament of his roster. And the last thing that I'll say is this. I love hearing him talk about Madison Bumgarner. It sort of reminded me of the way that we know. View John McGraw and Christy Mathewson to legends of the game. Now obviously Bocce in an Bumgarner aren't avatars for those two. Mcgraw was a gruff person. And as we know Kristie Matheson was you know they call the Christian gentlemen? What are the most beloved figures in Baseball History? But the way in which they they trusted each other the manner in which they speak of each other the postseason success that they had together is not any different than what we saw with Tom. Brady Bill Belichick. For example I think one hundred years from now will look back on the combination of Bruce Bocce and Madison. Bumgarner very similarly. At some point we gotta hear the bear hunting stores. We break boats down on that right Hembo. Thanks for doing this later. Humana twenty five years in the big leagues we. He wound up with two thousand and three career wins before he ended his tenure with the San Francisco. Giants coach. How you doing i. I'm doing well good to talk with you. Here as we go through these tough times How things with you. I'm hanging in there. Yeah and I appreciate you joining us for some storytelling before we get to that just to. This is your first spring away from baseball and got God knows how many years you were teenager. Right Buster on me after I go back to nineteen seventy five. You know that was here. I was drafted. I didn't know Joe I that was after spring training but As you know last time I did not Go to spring training and you know I didn't know how I would feel but I did go into camp with the giants and I. I was good with it but you know what kept me. Busy too was I agreed to manage the fringe team and the WABC in this qualifying round that they had in Tucson and my son was GonNa Pitch for me and my brother Joe. He was my coach and And we had a blast with it We worked out there in Tucson and we're getting ready to start the round the qualifying round against Germany. And of course it was called up because of this corona virus and I felt for those players. Those fringe players I mean they were so looking forward to it and you know it was a lot of money for them and a thousand dollars for each player to play but they want it or if they qualified I mean they they were to get four thousand. These guys have jobs back in France and And you know we got a group together and I just like the way we came together. We played a couple of giant teams. got minor league teams. Get Ready. We want one last one so they they really pumped up so very disappointed About a good call that wet your appetite. Boats to at some point go back to managing. You know I'm not GONNA lie. It was good to be back on the field. They really was working. These guys You know he would a lot of fun to see these guys just playing a game. You know it's not like they were getting paid a lot. They had a real passion and a great spirit neo four the game and and so they could you know that really Made it so much better for me but you know personally. Now I'M NOT GONNA LIE IT IT IT WAS. GonNa be on the field and I don't know what you know all end up doing but frightened you know. It doesn't matter right now we're all doing same thing. Yeah you're exactly right and no one knows you know when we're going to start up again. I I mentioned to you in the text I sent you a wanted to pick your brain on some memories and some some I some storytelling and I want to start with this and I you know I'd forgotten about this and I've never actually asked you about it on September Eleventh Nineteen Five in Cincinnati. Today's Pete Rose set the all time hit record in you were. The catcher would remember about that right right and you know I was. I begin The catcher every day there for a couple of weeks Only because Terry Kennedy who was starting Catcher His back went out on them. And so we're going in Cincinnati and I'm excited that I'm catching in You know have this chance to be back on the blade when Pete rose gets record in You know I just remember Yeah the first Game Lamar. Hoy was pitching and I think rose Went over four. We just pounded them inside. And Lamar had to fastball. Had good right to it. He could really pitch in well with above the hands and He could cut it to inside there. And and you know Peter that time you know. He didn't quite upstate. Bat speed so we pounded them in and Hit an oprah four and now Kennedy. Meanwhile starting to get healthy. I'm getting nervous. I don't want interpreted as I. I call the Pitch. He could hit but Air Showers pitching the next day. And now we have. I think I might have been to one cow I don't remember should but Anyway we do. I call the slider. Eric's shout through a slider and that was probably as bad speed. Be on it's a jammed. I made that little player to right to left field and Camella Martinez couldn't quite get to it and of course Yeah the celebration. I mean it. It was unbelievable. You know what happened after that You know the the city of Cincinnati how they celebrated of course you know the game stopped and for quite a while and of course he had air chow who now. I don't think down deep. He meant to show any disrespect. But he sat on the mound and controversy`l. But you know I it just Eric and you knew where he just you know in his no was different. Ed and ways that they just he just didn't realize what he was doing so Anyway beside that It was like Mardi Gras and Cincinnati That night I remember yeah. It's funny. You mentioned that the other day we were talking about that. 'cause we're talking about CAL ripken's twenty one thirty one and how the angels players you know. One of the coaches joe men so excited to be part of that moment. You know cal going around doing that. Lap handshaking everyone as you mentioned ten years earlier when Eric Chow gave up that hit. He sat on the rubber. And I agree with you. I certainly know nearly as well as you did but I don't think he intended to show up. He rose. He just didn't know what to do. And the game was stopped and everyone just kind of waiting and no one knew how long that delay would be at the time he set the record right right you know what I you know. I take some responsibility there because I was catching. I should've walked out to an amount but you know I was watching everything. 'cause it was an honor to be part of that and And I was one. That didn't go up to Pete. Actually I just thought that was a time for his teammates and family and You know I would hopefully catch up with them later in And congratulate them and so you know looking back I wish I had gone out to the mound. But here's Eric's just standing there on the mount and as you said you don't know how long this last he he was gonna take a seed some stay going doug how he did it right on the robber there. And that's out. You know unfortunate thing because he really took a lot of heat for that but I. I wish I would have gone out to mount so when that what do you remember about your your conversation with Pete. The next time it came to the plate you know he was one that talked a lot when he came up. Here But what he did do would Maybe was unsolicited was A picture that was taken that has me in the picture You know about to receive the ball in And Pete signed a dozen of those pictures that had sent over to the clubhouse to unite. Yeah that was nice you now here. I was a young kid and I grew up a reds fan. Buster as huge reg especially You know the big red machine Mason skip school. Go Watch them over in Tampa now so you know. I'm always a big bench. Rose Fan Joe Morgan. Pres- I love them. And and so you know that was a big deal for me that so You know I've seen a couple of times since that but You know but something we've talked about. Well let me ask you. I tried to explain to people all the time how within baseball pete was so revered For the way he played in and you know the way when after the attack the game every day during the course of his career What do you remember about how other players felt about him? And how do you feel about the question with him in the hall of fame? Yeah You know be was you know? He was just so well liked by every by the in in the game you know I in a way. He played Very poplar using. He was one that you know it was. If he was a hitting you know he was always talking baseball with somebody. I is how I saw. You know guided just loved the game. Had you know there's tons of energy and so A very popular now. You talked about the hall of fame you know. That's that's going to be. Yeah personally I look a guy who who you know were to The best players in the game. There's a lot of them are not in me look. There's a lot of them. That's not in the hall of fame and you know what Pete did Yell that was that was considered the role the biggest role at that at that time in the Veterans Committee. There I mean they you know. His appears his Guys he played with you know they're they're not vote a man and I respect them for for what they want to do is how I look at it. And it's not my call You know I I just believe that If it's GonNa Happen at the be voted on by his parents and right now they don't believe it. So I respect that one appearance in the world series for you and you gotTa hit you. GotTa thousand batting average in the world series. What remember about that man all the one thing I remember how bad I wanted to get in there. I'll put get an apparent final game of that series in In you know Detroit may have made taking a pretty good lead. You know Gibson hit the home. Run off a goose air and and dig. Yeah you know. He wasn't known for being a compassionate man. He was very very tough minded manager that You know he made. There is all different side because I was with them all the time but you know in his harding found a way to get them in there now forever appreciate that and I I was nervous. This could be I as I went up there My First Pitch I kid about this. I hit a ball around buster and I hit seven hundred and fourteen. Those I tell everybody who's about fifteen P. Paolina as off Willie Hernandez won the CY young that year and then they ended up getting a line drive base it. Alan Trammell Dove and try to catch on the back end side and I kidded Allen when I hired him as a coach. You know you're here because you didn't catch that ball. Just want you to know that. So anyway I I get hit and I I don't get along enjoy it though because You know big way to get somebody else in the game to make an appearance around. Reynecke pinch ran for me in you know. I think that the poor run game at that point and it wasn't like that run was important but he found a spot there to get Ronnie in which I was happy for him. And so you know as short-lived as far as my enjoying my time on the field but Yeah it's a moment I'll never forget you. Did you get the baseball that was kind of before that became a regular routine of getting the baseball's yeah no? I I didn't get it I didn't get it Who KNOWS I I don't know it probably would stayed in the game. That's the way it was back then but I never thought about getting it either but you know Cherry Been Nice to have gotten it. What a store. You got Later on when you became manager of the Padres of course the the best player on your team at that time was Tony Gwynn. What's a story? You like to tell friends about Tony. Gwynn you know just beside you. Know is is his talent You know where he meant for me. in my purse. You're managing Tony night play together And so we became pretty. Good friends. We both live in power away. The you know at one point he. Fishing was his passion. That's that's one of mine and So we had done some bass fishing together and then we golfed and so you know we were so are pretty good. Friends played cards and so now. I'm become a manager NASLUND different. He's he's going to be one of my players But unfortunately Gino and we had that strike in ninety four and that carried in the ninety five which was my first year managing so my first year mansion. I've got replacement players and I am not comfortable doing this and Rainy Smith who hired me He helped me out and he said. Listen if you think. One of the coaches should do most of workouts You know you know. Let them do it. I get it because I didn't lose credibility Yeah with my players when this thing when that stripe is over so Tim flannery he picked me up there and he ran most of the spring training to be honest and and so when it ended Strike and we get the season going again. Tony was the one that you know really helped me. As far as saint just on the players less I know bocce. He knows the game. He knows what he's doing a help you know give me. Credibility as locker was right beside my office. Era The old Jack Murkier or qualcomm and And so you know. That's that's what I'll never forget 'cause I think there were at that time two or three players they they kinda cold for. You. 'cause you were supposedly working with these replacement players but You know he He really picked me up there. But you know there were times when we talked about As teammates yeah he. He'd go. He just knew what pitch he was going to get. He would tell you in the dugout. He's GonNa turn slider here and I'm GonNa do this with. He would do it. You know I'm GonNa hit that pie hole because you know he's GonNa he's GonNa keep throwing me away I it's just incredible at this guy could do with the bat and he made me think about him. Boches is that with all the batting titles You know that he won. It still felt like in the midst of his career. He got better because I think based on conversation you had with Ted Williams. He really learned to look for situations. Drive the ball. Oh no question and you're right it them that you know Ted. Call them out. Basically I still remember You know that evening John. Moores is house He had Ted Williams over and in fact had the first time he saw Mesa. I hear you like to fish. And he says What kind of flies are you Do you Tie The ted. I don't five if you don't fly fish but you don't fish in. I mean he just so intimidating and he was the same way with Tony about hitting and And he got on Tony about you know not hidden inside pitch and doing damage with. Because that's when you make your living you know you should be hitting the ball over to five. I five five whole Tony. You're great hitter and You know anybody can do that. But you know but you can hit the ball out of the park and you should start looking at drive that pitch and And it changed Tony and But it didn't take away his average either it just Tony Woods. He's just one of those players is great players. You know they just feel like they never have a ripe wonder it'd be better and that was Tony. He was so driven. Be The best hitter can be and he worked on that inside pitch to where became natural. They throw it in there. He he would turn on it and started hitting home runs and driving the ball and was a better hitter in And I you know he's probably looking back going. You know what it's like. What did done that earlier in my career probably would have three four three four hundred home runs. What do you remember about his relationship? Tony's relationship with Barry Bonds someone who you at the at the end of Berry's career you got to manage because it always. Those two guys had such a special relationship. It almost felt like a little bit. You know the way that you'd hear about Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and it was that way exactly like that goes through is such a tremendous respect for each other. You know what they had accomplished into game in Completely different Hitters and completely different philosophy which amazes me You know 'cause I as I I managed bury my first year and Tony was the guy you know he. He really believed that. You know the bottom hand underneath not the KNOB leading the way and Berry Woods. He talked about a top in catching the ball. He Tickets Tom. Pan On the bad. Until I aims. Amazing I look into it a bit sitters in our era and And they had different philosophies and they were different type of hitters so that played a part in that but now they just always talked hitting always got together. Talk Baseball It was EMC two of the greatest that Tremendous respect like You know bird and magic and guys like that. Tony always love to tell the story about how during batting practice one day bonds came out while the padres are taken BP and and badges riding him about his bat which you referred to you know the PEA shooter because it was so small and he said very grabbed it out of his hands during one round and then proceeded to hit about eleven straight balls is of course bury a left-handed hitter into the left-field stands in and just flip the bat away like throwing a toothpick away. Amazing Amazing Guy. Wait what he could do. you know. There were times in Neo because he knew I had Tony in spring training. Goes you know I can be what Tony does you see pie hole and he would just hit ball after ball right there in that whole I remember one time. You gotta go go. Mvp was you know hidden and triples alley there in San Francisco and And he was complaining about how deep it is. They're very you're you're you're stupid evening doing that. Why why are you doing that? This what you want to do and Berry would take it and just flip it in the Senate over the trail. Nine downright till nine. So you know you're looking guy that's all time home run leader but also had just incredible back control. It things he could do with it and in back when he He tied the record I still remember he knew clay. Hensley was gonNA throw the ball away on those sinkers away. It was in San Diego and to BP that guy was thrown BP extra two day in and my ball had a little run to it as white throat because it would be similar to Clays and sure enough you know. He played zone terminent sinker. Way might take it out to the field and he did so. I wanted there a million Madison bumgarner stories Tell me your favorite one that you like to tell people about Madison. Where my favorite Well I am positive for a second. 'cause I can't tell my favorites bear hunting trip. I swear to secrecy on that. And hopefully he'll let me tell it when when day but On the baseball side my favorite of course two thousand fourteen and Incredible run that And that he had personally You know between the wildcard game and of course what he did in game seven but it was after game five. Just shut up the royals and I had switched it a little bit because I just felt like we had to go and Kansas City up against down a game so because I was taking some heat for not pitching them in Game. Four and then Starting game seven and but Abolhassan start game four against their fifth starter. I wanted mom. Garner Pitkin chills. Anyway short ends up He shuts out Shuts out the royals. And you. You know now. We're going to Kansas City where three to work game away from you. Know being a world series champions and and Guys are you know they're to pack. 'cause WE GOTTA GO TO KC GUMS in my office. He goes you know. I just WanNa tell you if you want to win this thing you're GonNa put me out there you're GonNa start me and it's a start you win. He goes after his day off. He met game six. It's I'm not starting one day's rest. He goes on to win this thing anyway. We're starting game sits six. We wouldn't say Save Them for game seven in the pen you know. He'd be the guy that we go to as a long guy in And I said WELL NEAL I. We haven't set you know. Set to pitch in game seven right now. It's Hudson and he and Hoodie. Were very close. They really became Not just good teammates but very good friends and he looked at me so now. Now you gotTa Start Hardy I. I want him to start his gang. But you have me ready. You want to win this thing. Of course you know what happened there. So it's as Just the guy that had his maniacal focus on winning the world series when he was going to hold back on its feelings no he pits twice as many innings more than twice as many innings than any other pitcher in that postseason on any team and yet I think he told me one point that after you guys win game seven It is one of the most amazing postseason in baseball history. He finally acknowledged that he was tired. Yeah yeah he owned to well. Of course everybody was because emotionally. You're tired mentally. I mean it's just you talking about every pitch every play on the line and And of course with him you know we. It's not like we gave cushioning pitching with one run lead and of course what happened in the ninth inning You know with the two hour triple when he still has to get one more out because I could see a warming up but I I all I remember when he came in after the seventy eighth inning. I wasn't a look at them because I didn't want to look me and say I am because he you know he was our horse in about so well but Yeah he he finally owned up to it. But you know what I I'll say to me. It's the greatest pitching performance and postseason Because you know it hasn't been that long since we've had had you know we've had two extra games a wildcard and an extra postseason games. No-one's pitch at pitches many endings. Jake peavy is a great storyteller and he told me a great story about Bumgarner new that I've never asked you about and I want to But I I want to check it. Check it out with you He said that the the reason why you want two thousand fourteen the world series. He said there was a moment in the dugout. You guys are playing the dodgers late in the season. He's losing his act cranky toodle one and his spot in the lineup is coming up in the eighth inning and according to Jake he said you know you go. You basically let them know you're going to pinch hit for him. And he's lobbying he wants to bat because he loves to hit. He's down Iran. It's a big game against the dodgers and you're saying this is according to Jake. You're saying I know I know and then Madison. After hearing that a couple of times goes you a talking to me like you know and then you let him hit that. Stake story what What do you remember about that close? I mean it was close You're probably embellish that just a hair but that's J. Cuts. You know what it was a situation where he was her best and I thought he He earned that right to hit. But originally I was not gonNa let him hit Because I want to look after them too. I mean it worked hard but he was one of our biggest threats and And that's what I I I remember that really Made up my mind but you know what this go bomb because he he deserved it and he was one of our best threats he was one of our best clutch hitters. I'm telling you this guy. When you need a big hit or even a homerun. Somehow he came through for you impact. I my kid all the time now because you know he's not not the hitter he was because he's trying to see how far but that time he he knew how to sit on the pitch and So anyway yeah he yeah he was. We're going back at it back at each other a little bit. But I had made up my mind a he's GonNa hit and I told rags out in I said he's GonNa hit but I'm GonNa have some fun with this. Tell me your favorite first time you laid eyes on Lintz come and whether or not it was there any party. You is You know somebody who's been in baseball longtime wondering if that was gonna work that unusual delivery well. I bus started first time. I saw two thousand seven which was my first year San Francisco. I still remember Spring training I mean it. Was you know a lot different You know because I had some years in San Diego. The giants were team that we had to be and that was after the first meeting. That you have with your team and So yeah I'm heading out to the field. I'm with Dave Righetti and And they've goes rags goes. Hey by the way there's your number one pick and I look over and it's I mean scrawny looking Guy is getting ready to play catch. And I'm like you're kidding me. I just can't imagine one hundred fifty pound or being a number one pick and at first ball. I still remember he threw was like it was ninety miles an hour and he just had his whip thome and So wow yeah and you know this guy. Looks like he's got pretty good stuff and then of course he pitched. It was most incredible thing. As far as the pitch I'd ever seen was And that's why at nicknamed the free. It's out freakish. It was because of its unique delivery and it was like a weapon his arm and arm. But you know just just came along for the ride and And I knew then. That's what this this guy's different. This guy is He's going to be special sure. Not You know forty years already know you're here. He is a PHYCHI force and It's it's one. He's one of the most amazing pictures I've ever had. That's good much but just you know just. His style is way never ice to never took a lot of time up and the only thing about ten thousand twelve you know Steph was starting to go down a little bit And I still remember going up to them in the weight room and I'm walking up to him says to me you know we're as we're going into the playoffs. I said you know I just think if we could get you to help us out in the bullpen. We have the best chance to win. This thing he without hesitating just looked at me and goes. Hey you think this you know. This is the best way to win it. Let's do it. I I'm ready for it. And when he pitched out of the pen and I'm getting lowering it here but the first game he's come in and pitch. I mean this guy didn't get out. We saw get timmy up. And he was sitting in the dugout and I look up I go. Where's timmy? In Iraq. I told them I start getting ready. Timmy didn't understand it. It was for that inning not put an x. any wow you know. He didn't take to get up so he got up and threw. Maybe four or five pitches you sitting was good and went out there and just Dell and He was similar. You Know Trevor Hoffman. You know he he. To seven or eight pitches. He was ready to go. That's amazing for someone who's been a starter as long as he was much. I've never asked. You you and I've had a lot of conversations and I think your voice was an important one To make the change with the catch Home Plate. Collision rules with catchers That of course after buster. Posey at lake shattered with that play at home plate. Scott Cousins Barrels into him and the change came after that year. I've never asked you about what that night was like for you. afterward And you know having been a catchy yourself and seeing what buster went through. Well I I'LL PREFACE. Is You know for Persona? Really get a feel of what what that is Getting hit again you. Yeah you need to be back there and just realize how vulnerable catcher is and they went. Buster Guy Hits you know. I just remember jogging out there. Man Just praying that You know this this was bad you know he just Kinda got bell wrong and once I got out there and it's all the painting was in I I knew there was damage on this one and You know I thought it was me. Initially in End Up being his ankle but the oid just brought back a memory as as I'm standing up there with them and I'll go back to La when Gary Bennet got hit he got hit by Jordan Brian Jordan who is a football player and I thought he killed him. I mean Bennett was out. He was laying on the ground in You know these players you get attached to it. I mean they're they're like your kids and I just I just said that sick feeling my stomach and And then back out there with buster. I just said you know I much longer. Or are we gonNa let this happen? I mean it's GonNa be a matter of time before we carry somebody off from stretch here and And He's in a wheelchair recipes life or something. Yeah this is crazy and you just stopped protected and And I know there's most guys you know not not buying into it but these guys are bigger and faster and and and of course you know for a while it was a case where that was the target not scoring but hitting the catcher and that was the case with -Buster and zebras way. Lame Front home play wasn't blocking the plate. And so that feeling you know I just didn't want to have it again so you know I I was part of Trying to get to this rule change. Mike played a big role in this and that and I feel good about it. Being changed at you know not on my watch. I didn't have to see somebody had their neck broken or something because it was going to happen. It's just matter time and one one final question for you. I don't think now you know busters had an amazing career. He's got some years ahead of as we move forward as well. Maybe someday he's going to get an audit of the hall of fame and be on the back Porch Iota Saga with you. But I also I think people don't realize that there was a time there after that injury where there was some real question about whether or not his career was going to be in jeopardy. Oh there was. I thought you know this is probably a fifty fifty deal whether he would be able to catch again. This is bad this injury. How devastating injury was digression? Our our trainer he still are trained. Her with the giants Just incredible job on on his Rehab and Me It took a long time to the next year. You know we had to watch early And take care of them but You know for him to bounce back way he did and and not just bounce back but played in. You know the type of baseball that he did. Help Helpers win a couple more world series says about a lot about him his His driving his work ethic To get themselves back to declare that he was and you know you when you experience the loss of you know your best player buster was i. I'll go back to bitching. Trevor Hoffman. When you're in San Diego where he was out for the year You see what life is like it. It was not having a Bus running that staff and being on that club and and nobody impacted Our team more than Buster and so. It's really incredible. I think how long he's played And the fact that doesn't bother him as much occasionally will For example in Arizona sometimes around home plate it's packed it's really hard to. Sun bakes it and And that will aggravate it a little bit. But an he's he's doing well. I appreciate your time. I always love talking with you on bragging about how you were such a great shooter. Especially twelve to fifteen feet when we played together. Yeah you got a little pumped here. I got a WHO brought outside. I shoot a little bit now. I gotTA get some exercise any bike. Here's Tim Coaches Daily Baseball. Fix and it's built around someone we were talking about earlier in the podcast on this date in one thousand nine hundred seventy four hank. Aaron hit home. Run Number Seven fifteen before the game. Braves relievers all chose locations in the ball and they wanted stand. It hopes thing when catch historic homerun number seven fifteen. It was based on seniority. Tom House was very young reliever so he ended up way out in left center field. But as soon as hey Tom House oh my goodness this is GonNa hit me right in the chest. He said I didn't even have to move after he caught it. He ran the ball into home plate and presented to hang who was in tears. Tom House told me I'd never seen Garin cry. Enfold all the pressure was off. All the stress was off. Took are really strong man to hit more home runs than Babe. Ruth bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets for Wednesday Justin Simmons at Justin Land. Sim One writes in your interview with BG the other day. Got Me thinking what have been. The most significant position changes in baseball history. Other than Babe. Ruth moving from pitcher to everyday outfielder. Well I'm kind of cheating and they're and they're definitely a lot that have taken place Dale Murphy I think moving from Catcher to the outfield. That helped him another one that I thought it was ricky and kill you know and more recent time having developing the hips as a pitcher and becoming a good major league. Outfielder an excellent defensive outfielder. I say go back and tell her. I don't think you're going to remember this guy. But smokey Joe would. Have you ever heard the name? Nope not at all okay. He was an excellent pitcher like a century ago and then he wound up being a pretty good outfielder as well. Right in the same era where Babe Ruth played so I you know those are names off the top of my head without one smoky. Joe Wood. What a great name. Incredible name and Regain Keel. Obviously my baseball knowledge has been completely exposed in this podcast but his position change is when I was growing up like an incredible sports store that I remember you know talking to my friends when we were young like how crazy it was that he would do that and he would be successful at the same time so definitely notable name there Brian Simpson. He's got two questions for us at twelve. Oh to seventy four. His first one he writes in watching re watching the ninety one world series with my eight and six year old sons. They have a question for you. Do you think Lonnie Smith's base running costs the braves the world series when he didn't score from first on the double by Terry Pendleton. I'm not ready. Say Cost Him the world series but it was definitely a pivotal moment in that world series. I don't know if you've seen video that Taylor. But he yeah he messed up. He misread the play and he could scored on that play. He didn't and it would turn out to be potentially decisive in terms of the braves. Not getting a run. They needed. Second one from Brian he writes in. I didn't know Al K-line's nickname was Mr Tiger very similar to our guy. Tony Gwynn as Mr Padre. Are there any other players? That some of their franchise or their city in quite this way. I was trying to think of people who actually got that nickname. You know Mister so-and-so's from their team and I couldn't think of another one. But here's some some guys in. I'm curious to hear from fans about whether or not they feel like that. These would be appropriate candidates. Mr Mariner Edgar Martinez no question. Mr Philly I actually go with Larry Bowa because he's been around. That franchise is a player as a manager as a coach for so long and he really embodies the spirit of that team Mister Cardinal Red. 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How Many Deaths 2020 Part 1

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How Many Deaths 2020 Part 1

"In how many how many how many? How Manny? One two, three, four, five, six, seven nine. WHO. Would I get up to? Breaking News. Hello, everyone and welcome to a new episode of how many the only podcast on the Internet that counts I am your host Jesse Jackson joining me tonight, our junior Gerry and in his last appearance. This big time moving jobs other podcasts. gave us they breaking news breaking news that he is going to take his talents to Senate Jesse's qualified to make those jokes and see. The difference is Jesse. Jesse came into this podcast with pre existing podcast. We didn't cut bait on this one to do a different Lamont cutting Bait Na. The name of the new podcast poop scoop. Looki-. Bendon scoop. Hopefully you'll listen and enjoy all the fun that will be having. On the BENDON SCOOP PODCASTS, so keep an eye out for his coming soon to a speaker near you, everyone, get ready to drink. Because of course, there's the mandatory springsteen reference Little Steven in a recent interview with the guy who runs who writes billions, which by the way big time he said he was going to be at my podcast and then just radio. Radio silence, but in the interview with him little Steven. Said if he had to do it again, he would never have left Eastern. Bad any tells bans nowadays that you keep the band together. You guys go do solo projects. You never officially announce the ban because that way. You guys want to get back together you can this Jesse's warning to you, Bob. Twenty leave your debt to us. When you walk out of here. I wouldn't think of you again. Every time you are. Your hard. To say so tonight, we are doing another virtual recording We are still sheltering in place and staying home, so we're zooming tonight. At least twice a year. We discussed significant deaths of a calendar year. It's been a wrestling POW so juniors gonNA walk us through the amount of celebrity deaths through may WanNa give us some numbers that we should base our guests on junior. Yeah, so I have. Have calculated total of ninety one names, and I've actually done a lot of pruning of names. I may be normally would've counted on a normal year. All Right Bob you WANNA. Make First I. I'll go with fifty two. Gary Fifty Three Jesse so I'M GONNA. Go fifty so now. Obviously, since I've done the research I do have a little bit of an advantage, but I don't know how many. Take fifty four if it's a high. Yeah. Exactly you know what that is actually very solid. Thinking fifty four. My guess all right so starting in January Rocky Johnson. Who is the father of the Rock? dwayne Johnson Rocky Johnson was a wrestler in his own right. He was with the. Wwf I would say no guys. I would say no I knew who he was before, but I would still probably say no. Your average person walked in the streets would have no idea other than if you said that's the rocks up. Going to have to go thumbs down on the Samoan, Fritz von Erich. Very nice all right, so no for Rocky Johnson the next name on my list is Ed Byrne. She was an actor that was on. Seventy seven sunset. In Greece. Yeah, that's a minor but I. You know at the time. He was a pretty big teen idol. I'M GONNA. Say Yes gary. I liked him brothers mcmullen. That guy, too I think everybody knows that name probably thinks of the younger Ed. Burns I have no idea slots in Greece. He was Vince Fontaine the TV show host during the dance. For High School the event, waiting for the national. Go Johnny Casino. Bob You're no. His sister Burns is not excellent. The next thing while my list is Buck Henry actor screenwriter. He was in the graduate. Get Smart and he directed Evanston. Wait. What are the most common host in early start live? Victor actually was discussions about making him a permanent oast because he was swell allied. The graduate is an iconic movie. Say Strong yes right Gary. Character actors are going to be a tough sell for me. I think that's a tough one. He Co created. Get Smart with Mel Brooks. It does sound like a solid resume, but don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to say no. I've got anger issues one of my friends. yes. He has anger management issues. GonNa go with now. You know it's one of those things I guess to be co-creator something like get smart is a pretty big feather in your cap I think if that's all you did. And you had five or six of them I probably be in, but. Now ten or eleven year old may definitely would have said no, because it used to beat me seeing him host Saturday night live. I'm buck. Henry, and I'll be the host tonight on Saturday night live. It's the last live show of the season and anything can happen I. mean there's no telling who might show up Kim Novak. Mr and Mrs Jack Lord Baba. Within the older you get, you realize all the stuff he did. I'm going to say yes. All Right? You know what I am going to Paddington, the stats in give him yes. The next name on the list I WANNA say no to just to rage up one particular listener of how many Neil pert. Rush. Me Up to. Yell Part Legendary, Drummer and lyricist, for rush, has died at the age of sixty seven perch pasta way on Tuesday after a quiet battle with cancer, completely groundbreaking impact. I think he's widely considered one of the greatest rock drummers of all time in the whole for it, and in that sense put Canada on the map. Obviously, he's probably first solid. Reich Russia's not in my vision, but I totally agree. I knew the name meal per before I. Even knew that he was in rushed. He's considered one of the best ever so I would say. Yes. Yeah, your, you said I mean there's like three drummers you know mount. Rushmore Grammar may before he definitely on her well, since I'm already outvoted, just a rage a PD, no! Not GonNa. Rush to judgement. Next name on the list Sam Weiss former NFL coach coach. The Cincinnati bengals probably best known for that lashing. He gave the crowd. squealed. Hear you? I know I remember him because of that incident, but no, he was a good coach us to go back to the eighty s to find as his real success now I remember. The bengals made a couple of super bowl. He was the coach of the one the on Taylor scored. One yeah, I'll go with the sports. Experts will say yes. Sandwich next one Don Larsen Major League pitcher? He threw the perfect game in the world series. Will that be enough to get him in I? Think even a casual baseball fan I knew that name immediately. Yeah, I think that's enough Gary just don. March I mean the perfect game isn't enough, but creating the far side, really bicknell. So. We will say yes to John Larson `bout former NBA Commissioner David Stern the NBA wouldn't be the league this today without David Stern Vision. All that's going on. Europe. China. Big TV contracts free agency guys being able to pick and control where the go and it was a great matt, his ability to adapt and grow the game over a thirty year span made him a tighten up the sport. He was inducted into the basketball hall of fame in two thousand fourteen. No straight the. Two of you say no to that. Yes, I am not a fan of David Stern either, but obviously he's got account right first ballot. Yeah, I think so. I didn't like him either, but he definitely counts begrudgingly. We will say yes to David Stern, here's another one that I. Think is a easy first ballot Terry Jones comic actor. In monty, Python and multifaceted writer, film, Director and author Terry Jones was most famous for his work on Monty Python, but his contributions, British culture was so much more profound, remarkable fellow because he had endless energy and enthusiasm. James Family have paid tribute to Terry's uncompromising individuality, relentless intellect and extraordinary humor, which have undoubtedly given so much pleasure to countless millions across the yes. Yes, yes, he was one of the spares of. Of the Monty Python when you think of Monty Python. He's not the first name that comes to mind or second third. Yeah I think he still counts next. One Jim Layer a journalist, PBS Newshour. Are you guys familiar with Jim Lehrer? Yes, so just a year. Yes, Bob McNeil Lehrer. That was the TBS news program get. He's pretty iconic, and he was involved with a lot of presidential debate. Moderation the DEANDRA. Gary, he's now this next. One could be argued as the biggest death so far. Kobe, Bryant, former Laker, great shock and heartache around the world at the news Kobe, Bryant dead at forty one years old killed Sunday. When the helicopter he was in crashed in the hills of Calabasas California, fans showed love for Kobe at the staple center, and tributes continue to pour in for the man. His fans lovingly call the Black Mamba former teammate. Shaquille O'Neal tweeting. There's no words to express the pain. I'm going through with this tragedy of losing my niece. And my brother I'm sick right now and magic Johnson called Kobe the greatest Laker of all time considering the circumstances of his death, probably the most shocking debt of the year I'm going really that was this year. Because so much else is gone on that one's an easy one John He's friends with Dirk would have said No. Yeah, he's. He always has held. Held Dirk, in high regard I, Think Right Durkan I've always had a great relationship because we're both extremely competitive and also both shrew memorial to our teams, and that's how your story about dirt. He was a free agent. And I knew it is responsible WanNa be, but just out of respect us to do if you WANNA come to La and he goes. Dude I would love to play with you. Quick Dallas is my home. A big village to. Him, that. Plenty as I please. Shut the hell out of me competitiveness energy. Moose! Shuman precedent. Amazing have made career all right so the next name. John Andretti American racing driver. He was in the NASCAR Cup series. It's Mario's nephew. Is He a big enough name? I got real now all right? The family name. Yeah, but not him. How about Fred Silverman Hall of Fame Television Programmer for CBS ABC NBC. Right I yes gary. Sailing Yard Saving Silverman About Nfl Hall of Famer Chris Doleman played for the Vikings, I'm well aware of who that is, but I would say beyond hardcore, NFL fans in Minnesota Viking fans. A lot of people probably don't remember him. He's all Famer I've got to go with whatever you sports 'cause I I didn't recognize the name, but you know so. Is it Dole might GTO. I'd Count Delman, but I can understand I would too, but a questionable ruin. The next one Jack earns comedian actor. Andy Griffith show I was screenwriter for the muppets. He was mainly known for three things. He was at a comedy duo with George Carlin and not also after that number Burns Schreiber Jesse Schreiber. Bay. We're on a lot of stuff. In the late sixties, seventies that lasts forever is dead. And he was the emcee for Friday's. that Saturday night live ripoffs. He's very tertiary I probably wouldn't count them I know who he is, but he's. Certainly impressive resume, but I would. Give Book Henry was less successful. We can say no on the next one is I. don't even know why included this is probably just for sentimental value Marcia Kramer actress. She was Margaret in modern family, the assistant to J Pritchard at closet closets closet. She died in January that one is just kind of thrown in there for fun more than anything I wouldn't expect anybody except for hardcore, modern family people to know who that was. I'm looking at her wikipedia in his four cents, no disrespect to her family, but yeah, we're GONNA. Move on for the last one January Mary Higgins Clark Arthur back when they used to have books in the grocery store aisles I. Remember seeing that name a lot as he walked through, but absolutely she is very well known among the House Frau definitely counts. Recognize the name but middle aged house for a book. That's pretty spare. Gary I'm leaning towards Bob I had the name actually did ring a bell with me, and so googled it real. Quick out trying to figure out. Why knew it and I don't know why I knew it, so no, maybe her most notable accomplishment was graduating Fordham University's summa cum laude. Fifty one books all of them bestsellers. Really Shallow, but to the success of authors. How many of your books were made into a movie? You know what we'll say. No on that one then we won't Paddington. The stats will move into February and we start with gene reynolds actor. He was on the gallant sons, and he was a producer for Mash and Lucan. Is that going to be enough to get him in? He was like a writer. Director may be but producers lot of times. That's not much more than a credit Jesse. Where are you familiar? It looks like he was a pretty busy TV actor, but I'm GonNa say now. It's a wrap Reynolds. All right how about other NFL Hall of Famer? Willie would play for the packers He Hampshire did Bob I love you would. Just for that time all right suggest a year. Yes, Gary and Bob. It's Chris doleman thing, but he's an earlier era so even less relevant to us, so you're. Here we're laying the would. Yeah I'm not for it really damn out. I. Guess Dead Wood, it is it is. How about Bill Britain? You would know him as Bozo the clown rethinking anyways. Here was he the original of the clown? Now that I do not know that's pretty significant I. Don't want to downplay that. Bozo, the most famous non murderous clown. He was the Bozo the clown in the new. York City market. It was not the original. Hauge was the main Bozo. Out is not a big enough bozo to make this list now. This one I think is another first ballot could again be argued that? Maybe this was the biggest death of the year Kirk Douglas. Spot. Spot. Doug was produced and starred in the historical epic Spartacus. He acted in more than eighty films, produced almost thirty and directed to his son, Michael of course, followed him into the business and became an a-list star himself. The three time Oscar nominee was finally recognized by the Academy in Nineteen ninety-six with an honorary award. Kirk Douglas Legend. From Hollywood's Golden Age was a hundred and three years old actor spartacus days. Glory not the first ballot for everybody. Not only great actor also did producing I always think back to someone asked him. Is he jealous of his son winning an acting Oscar and he never did and Kurt said he's like son. If he wins an award I win award, it'll be more jealous of getting ahead with Catherine Zeta Jones. All right, how about Orson being actor Dr? Quinn Medicine woman and he was also in being John. Malkovich says he was also a game show panelist. Say Game shows he and he was on the tonight. Show A lot. He was a frequent. Johnny had him on a lot. He was married to the mom from the wonder years. So, what are you thinking? Yes. Yeah. I mean I like. I said I remember mostly from like match game and a lot of those game show his professional gamer before video games, yeah! I'm GonNa vote yes. I I I don't know if it's enough, but I think he's. He contributed enough all right. Sounds like you're going to be the lone. Yes, here. How about Robert Conrad Actor Wild Wild West. Wyan I bought this. Not This battery off my. Power Dares to compare. Get a lot of mileage out of that commercial, just full throttle. I can remember barrel the network stars, and he got, he raged up once, and he was always one of the captains for like ab eighteen mandated. They do a running race and he he got destroyed, but he was like at the end. That was okay, because it was done on the field. That's the way. I like the. Best Man Wins. Best Team CBS one. NBC Rather Best Captain One. That's the way I like okay. The competition goes on. Thank you Bob. Gun Racks. He took it real serious. Intense so are we saying Yes to Mr Conrad? Yes, yeah, wild west holds up. You know when you see 'em. It's really good all right. How about whole English a Paul in a Paul in what he was the drummer for Willie Nelson? He was huge figure. He was really as drummer. He was his bodyguard. Asong me and Paul. It's a duck here. I, guess. Of. But I. Know I've said the same about all. We received our education. Is of the nation Leeann Paul. He's. Country Music's or How about Lynn Cohen Actress Law, and order sex in the city and. The name does not sound familiar. She certainly had a long career as a character actress, but I don't see anything that stands out to me Gary. Any thoughts on link I'm I think I'm GonNa Josie. On this one I'm not seeing no out all right next one will be caroline. flack was an English television and radio person. She was on like the British. Versions of the x factor in love, island. Included her is because I saw on social media. There was a lot of her. If you guys aren't familiar, now climb. Picture and don't recognize. Roberta or GTS PHOTO About Kelly Nakahara. Was An actress on Mash nurse, Kelly. Kelly is enough to get her in. I because I love Bash and I immediately recognized her. I would say yes bob. Signal Gary Yeah now. How about Charles Portis author, he wrote. True Grit Norwood Clinton's dead. Pretty big so I was not familiar with the name, but that's a pretty strong resume. True Grid is. Of My all time, favorite movies, that's pretty strong. Yeah, I'm GONNA, say. All right I mean tributes, the only hit, but Y- I'll go ahead and count. You said earlier. One of the things that you want to know is was the book turned into a movie? To yes. Movies. How `Bout Janet Dubois Good Times. And she sang the Jeffersons theme song. Just again. Now. So before that I would say yes. You're guessing you. Yes, we'll make it unanimous. Yes. How about Henry Gray American? Hall of Fame Blues Pianist and singer. Is anybody familiar with Henry Gray? New earlier this year, right, we had a couple of people join me and we talked about musicians. We have lost this year because we have lost a lot of musicians. And that was someone we mentioned, but none of us had a strong knowledge of his is work so now. I would say no now this next one I wish. We have Marcos because he would probably be the only one that knows this person's work pop smoke. Rapper. Are you familiar with smoke? Yeah, I doubt, know right not not in our demographic, unfortunately Justin's little brother. Now, this one is probably only famous for his TV commercials size sperling. Catch man or the hair club for men. He's not just the president. He's also the client and remember I'm not only the hip for president. I also client I would say yes. I think a lot of people know him. He's pretty instantly recognizable. I would count them. Yeah I think so Jerry. All the people with hair know who he is I was. GonNa. Say this is a bad time to be asking you this clearly. Clearly, Jerry is not accorded all right the next one, I think I'm the only one that's going to want to include this, but I'm but I'm not gonNA. Use It exemption Kazuhiro. Sue Hashimoto video game programmer, the only reason I'm including him is because he is the inventor of the Konami code which was big in eighties, video game culture. It was the code that you would put in the Nintendo to get the extra lives. xactly see. Like me on regular Nintendo and Sega Genesis Super Nintendo and you probably know this name. Sadly, he died today. The famed Code Creator up up down down left, right left, right va start for many games out. There guy's a wizard Hossam motto as died today. He will be missed. He will always be remembered for his great codes. That yelp does eighties. Kids get through these difficult games and have a lot more fun and and a lot more playtime on our Nintendo I would say yes, but it's more for sentimental in the Saudi reasons. Gary sounds like you know. It's pretty significant. I'll. S and you know what junior because of you? You've convinced me, yes. You make a unanimous. When you said the name I thought it was Thomas Nobis, lab, assistant, but I will count it science. Science. Joke Colombey American entrepreneur and the founder of trader. Joe's I say no main trader Joe's is a big deal. Would it be better if the venture of Kroger and Albertsons died with? That being A. Person? Eight, the guy all right this next. One I think we'll count. How about James Lipton? We're going into march by the way, yes, James Lipton the host of inside the actors studio has died after a battle with bladder cancer. He was ninety three years old. Lipton was best known for hosting inside the Actors Studio where he interviewed stars like Tom Hanks, George Clooney Amy Adams. Matthew mcconaughey, Bradley Cooper, and more about their rise to stardom Lipton was also a TV producer and writer worked on Broadway and wrote several books. He was an actor to appearing on shows like the guiding light and arrested development inside the actors studio. Inside! The actors casket. So he'll be a yes out Jack Welsh executive in the CEO Elon Role, electric yeah and I think he was a big punchline on Letterman, right? Letterman hated him RCA. Yesterday was taken over merged. They're calling it a merger. It was one of those gun to the head mergers latest. By the friendly folks at GE whose slogan of courses we bring good things to life. He's a huge guy in like business culture. The Lee Iacocca of Electricity Right? Yeah, pretty much I would. Absolutely I'll be voted on I. don't Care Anybody this big in corporate cultures out. I'll count him. I'll give it a guess. The next one I think is a no brainer to how about Max von See Dow actor. Six. Yes, his best role is probably the exorcist priest, or maybe the three eyed raven yet, and he was the bad guy. In three days of the COM-, using game of thrones tasted a lot meridian, thousand fifty eight. Ingmar Bergman spoke about the young Max from sadove in enthusiastic terms. He told a French journalist. Max is wonderful. Father! Jesus Christ. Comes signed that fallen tyler to the flame. After the aspects and tidal waves, they will be quite the human beings. This year range of on does carry acting has been prodigious over more than sixty seconds now smack. Swansea approved the first Swedish male actor become a truly international. The next one again is another sentimental, nostalgic one. The Great Johnny Yune. South Korean actor. They call me. Bruce walked like. De talked like him Jimmy My. Mama yet down. Even. Wanted to be. Just like sleeping. American hero. Bruce there was two of them. It was they call me Bruce and they still call me Bruce hilarious mummies. Those movies were big staples on HBO. Which is why probably himself familiar with them I'm very familiar with the movies, but I never would have known the name so I'm yes. Bob Yeah. I'm a yes, but I'll understand if he didn't get voted in. I'M GONNA make an executive decision and use my exemption. And say yes to grapes. They Call Me Bruce Movie All right the next one. I guess really only boxing people, but I think a lot of people notice name Roger Mayweather former champion, and be trainer and uncle of Floyd Mayweather. Yes 'cause. I immediately knew the name Jesse now I'M GONNA say no, because I just don't I, don't recognize them. Gary. I'm really on the fence era. I do know who he is, but it's only because Floyd Mayweather, so so you're borderline. You know won't say no. Since we put in Johnny Yune a little while ago. How about Phil Phillips Singer and was the person that wrote see of low? So what do you think the Sea of love writer is at enough to get him in like Shakeel now? Though he died in, Lake Charles Louisiana according to Yeah Yeah. I. The. Wasn't that et Al Pacino movie or something and outside Ellen Barkin it, too. Yeah, are we going to say no to fill Philip? Yes. All Right? How about of wagoner? WLI almost every week. Somebody would WANNA kiss lyle. Changing. You're not I'll be right there. Was Very Fun. You don't worry I'll get you to find a doctor. The money can buy. I'm the finest doctor money can buy. Women yes. Yes, are you guessing lager all right? Another one that could be argued as the biggest death of the year Kenny Rogers. All a country music tonight mourning the passing Kenny Rogers. He died today at his home in Sandy. Springs Georgia at the age of eighty-one. The three time grammy winner played a major role in taking country music from the stage to sold out arenas over a career that spanned decades. Roger sold more than one hundred million records, but it's the gambling that made rogers a superstar got. I've accomplished a lot more. Than I ever thought I would. Have probably ever should've? been a great career. And, I've had a great life. Would be very interesting. How many zone right 'cause he's probably got twenty twenty five. Yeah, I think crossover pop success icon in the eighties. Definitely, what was the one who came up with junior? Was it you bereaved in me? Warner. Counting. What do you think is his biggest hit islands in the Stream? No. Lucille would be I was gonna say you picked a fine time. Time to grieve, Lucille. You pick the fun. Times. So, Eric Weissberg is the next name. Are you guys familiar with his big hit theater near near near near? Near near dinner near near near near Near. Blow near near near near Near. Made famous by deliverance right once again. That's kind of a one hit wonder I'm GONNA say no. He's no flat or scruggs. twenty-one squeal salute at his funeral. Actual a pig. PIG watching in the corner, was it a circle joint. All right at the next one bill brom now when you hear the name Brom. What do. You think of ice cream right ease the founder of Brahms now earlier, we did not include the founder of trade or Joe's, but will be found her drums. froms is bigger than that. Yes, absolutely do so underrated hamburger. Scrape Burgers Bob, yeah I mean the last name your. Yes, to yeah I am a fan of their hamburgers to all right, so we will say yes to Mr. Brom I'll about Stuart Gordon. The only reason I included him is because he directed. The greatness of re animator is a great movie. Lots of shake laugh and that is that enough to get him in, so he wrote honey I stroked the kids. Jesse now I know. You're not a horror movie. Guy So right I assume that you probably would be known discipline even though he wasn't able to reanimate himself. RB countdown so Bob. Year. Yes, but I think the honey I shrunk. The kids puts him over the top Gary Gio so I would say yes. All right, so you're, yes will say yes to a man about terrence McNally, who is playwright? He wrote ragtime and kiss of the spider woman. We don't really don't count. Play right I mean if it was something huge May. He wasn't like four Tony. Awards. His play was turned into a movie. Does that satisfy your criteria multiple movies? Yeah, was he? Inter is S G, though so you're a no Bob Yeah. I'll say no. Gary I'M GONNA. Go with. Yes, I i. heard several ones in there that were turned into movies of good movies. You know what I'm going to say. Yes, to how about Bill Re Flynn, who was a drummer, another drummer for ministry revolting? King Crimson. Those are pretty big. Those are pretty big. Van Ginkel. The name I didn't know the name either. He's not a big enough drummer outweigh. How about Mark Bloom Actor was in Crocodile Dundee Moser in the jungle, and desperately seeking Susan on the movies of fairly spare, but I think if you saw his face, you would will recognize him if you if you air is the face. That's kind of the default Oh. Yeah, after. Seeing the face I absolutely let's get a character on a lot of stuff, yes. Gary. Your es Jesse. Visit the mausoleum. It was at the Blohm House. Recently played a coroner on Tommy. The series most recently played a corny. Tommy Barium in the pinball machine. And so. He's got a really long career. Okay, we'll say green. Green. Screen. Okay, the next one I think is a no brainer. How Curly Neal Harlem Globetrotter, Yes, absolutely. Neal was part of the globetrotters from nineteen, sixty three to nineteen, eighty-five, playing six thousand games across ninety seven different countries and appearing on TV specials, talk shows and even cartoons. globetrotters jammed Jeff Monson in a statement in part quote, curly's basketball skill was unrivalled by most and his warm heart and huge smile brought joint to families, worldwide could be argued the most famous Harlem globetrotter right mental our climate yeah. One at one eight, would-be all right, so there will say yes too early. How about Jimmy win the toy morning. Longtime laying for the Astros or something, we'll keep you out. Normally, although when he was playing for the Astros, they were nationally team so right. That's before they were eating. Hate them quite as much fob year. Yes, I guess IOS and Jesse. Were you familiar with the toy cannon and Apollo? Thirteen the movie there is footage of him rounding third base so for that I say yes, so gary. Urano, but you know what I am going to say. Yes, you just pumping Brunell. Addington the stats. HOW ABOUT JOE? Divvy country singer Songwriter. The man behind the voice sixty one year old Joe Tiffy had away with lyrics. That made you believe him. When he sang a song, it had been song he really lived up to. That wrote home third rock from the Sun which was the John Lithgow. TV Show I guess. Anybody familiar with Joe. Yes. Yes Ozzy An Jesse re familiar with Joe Divvy not really was in a middle e C diff, he didn't anyone. Gary Bob? It sounds like you guys think he's a pretty big name, so you've talked me into it. I think I'm going to say yes. You're just patio record. Tom Given benefit of the doubt. How about Jan Howard country, Singer and songwriter backcountry, anybody familiar with John, Howard, yes, growing up I. Knew I. The face she teamed up with Bill Anderson. She certainly had a long career, but I don't know if it's TRIFECTA worthy as they say, so. You're no Jesse Bobbing Gary Familiar Bob was going to immediately go with Ron Howard gts. I'm. GonNa counter with Clint Howard or GTS. Nice, but no I had never heard of her until I saw the Ken Burns. Country Music documentary nod, stay out. How about Alan Merrill was a musician with arrows, but his big claim to fame erode I love rock and roll, which later obviously, which is the weird version? Rock. Is that enough get. Rain Song. That's really great song, but I'm GonNA. Say No, just because I would want to songs Gioja counts. This guy is can. We didn't do the guy who wrote the of love. That's pretty iconic, too. So I'm going to say no I will say no, also then. There's one more on March and I think this one's a no brainer. Bill withers. Yes, huge! That's what she said. Yeah, absolutely so I guess some of his jokes series. Bob Ain't no sunshine in the grave. Low Sunshine is Great. Lovely grave. Grave. degree. degree. degree. First I Absolutely I-, I- conic probably has like what eight. The two of us. Just the two of us. Buzz against tremendously under nobody talks about him when they talk about that era gave greatness all right, so we will say yes to bill, and that brings us into April. Only two more months left. How about Adam Slesinger Musician for fountains of? Wayne. Got It going on. Town. And he also wrote that thing. You do for the movie that thing you do. Just think about that the diversity, Stacy's mom, certainly a huge hit, and then the thing you do in as Tom Hanks said if you didn't have a song that you could sell the idea that this was a one hit wonder the film doesn't work so I stay. Yes, y'all Coun-. Gary I'll say yes. You guys are GonNa. See US back, yeah! To all right the next one, he held a record for a very long time in the NFL the Great Tom Dempsey known for kicking the longest field goal in NFL for a very long time Jessie. Year, yes, Elliott absolutely false Mya Gary, there is a new saint that's being clubbed right now more. I the next one and boy Scott was here. He'd be hard selling this one for sure discussed on the bond girls. How many honor Blackman be Great Pussy Galore who you? Must be dreaming. With the name, but that's pretty significant. Almost so yes, we voted her as a yes when we talked bond girls that puts her over the top I think anytime. You're a yes in a different. How many episodes gives you carte blanche? Yes, whenever you die Bob I zoom your es also Yamile. How about Bobby Mitchell? Nfl Hall of Famer played for the browns played for the redskins will hold the redskins against him. He's a hall of Famer, but we did not let Willie would in. We didn't let Chris Domain either. I'm looking at his stat. He had two good years. You know what I'm going to say. Oh! After redskin how about James Murray actor the Virginian I'm James Story I spent nine seasons on television as the region as our show, headstrong characters and great stories of the always the heroes at integrity courage, and you can always count on them to try to do the right thing. All me old fashioned but I still believe in those dry us, and I'm proud to have been a part of a series that embraces them. Are you familiar with Mr Jury I was I. do remember the Virginia so I would say yes up. Pretty spare above the no Gary I stated his sweets, and it was pretty bad. I looked them up I didn't recognize them just to make the argument. The Virginian lasted from nineteen sixty to seventy one. There was two hundred and forty nine episodes of the show, and he was the lead on you WanNa. James. I'll change my vote based on that evidence. He also guest started to episodes of the adventure of Brisco County Junior. He sounds like the character. Leonardo DiCaprio played in once upon a time in Hollywood. I'm rick. What's Matt Part? SUFFICIENT SOMEBODY! Has Been Okay. You know what so we are going to change Mr jury to a yes. How about Alkaline Hall of Fame Major League? Baseball player Tigers legend ALC- airline has passed away the Hall of Famer Play Twenty Two seasons with the Tigers and played more games and hit more home runs than anyone else in team. History K line was eighty five years old. He's Mr. Tiger is a tiger legend. Alkaline liked you, and took you and you were blessed by one of the Great. That's for sure and. He's he's a whole. He's probably one of the biggest tigers of all time hall of fame. Status is no longer just automatic significant. Though yeah, he's significant. He legit all right, so bob. Your es Gary Yes so the next one John prien singer songwriter goes. Still once called John Prime. The Mark Twain of American songwriting Brian died yesterday in Nashville from complications of Corona virus. Seventy. I recognize the name, but I had never really listened to the music, but the outpouring of other musicians that talked about his songs and the story. I think that's a very significant at this is a big news about. Background is huge inventing pickled juice this huge. Did. He play the GRANDPA on Pawn Stars. He does look dislike that guy all right so we will say yes to Mr Prime, how about the trip? Her big cliff fame was being the whistleblower in the Clinton Monica Lewinsky Scandal is that enough to get her in Clayton by John Goodman on Saturday night live of course during the Lewinsky Scandal. You Played Linda tripp famously. How many times do you think you played her over the course of one too many? Apparently the, they liked it, so they cut For me and I just thought it was because I look a drought for that reason alone, Goodman, playing your I'm GonNa vote yes, just a year. Yes, yes, Gary. Linda TRIPP makes it in. How about Taveras Jackson former NFL quarterback for the Vikings, the Seahawks, the bills kind of a spare to fair quarterbacks Urus. So everybody's a no on that one. Now this one only me and Bobber GonNa think this is funny. This is for an audience of two Doug Sanders the Golfer. Chi. Yes just because of the ticket stick I. Say yes, Wow, just I was. I did not know you're familiar with Doug Sanders the offer versus Doug Sanders, not all. I'm AF. Are you familiar with that. Lives don't listen to the ticket Baucus listen to the ticket I do. Okay well. That's great news I thought. One of us is going to have to use an exemption there. Our about Hank Steinbrenner for its executives co owner of the Yankees John Andretti, so did you see yeah? Famous relatives are not very well. I say that, but if Stephen Dies we're probably GonNa Count Him, but that's a local. The version of how many being done in Philadelphia is probably not going to say. Twos, guys doing this morning's all right, so hank steinbrenner. We will say no to another hall of Famer Willie Davis. Really Davis was the ultimate underdog story born the son of a sharecropper. He became a super bowl, champion and millionaire businessman originally drafted by the Cleveland Browns in the fifteenth. Round Vince Lombardi traded for him in his second year in charge of the packers. The legendary coach would call it the best deal he ever made late for the. For the packers emergency brake alert, he has recognized interception in NFL history. What? That's not the same in that the guy that's running the raiders. Niger said what teams he played for play around. The packers thinking a Willie Brown. Brown I have another Cinderella Man. Yes are having a million dollar baby. Side, squad Justice League. Moment is Willie Davis going to count I recognize the name so I'm GonNa. Say Yes, Bob, saying no. I know who it is. I say Yes to all right, so Willie Davis says the s now here's another big name, probably the biggest one for April Brian Dennehy actor US first blood. Tommy boy. At six foot, three Brian Dennehy was tailor-made to play the burly tough guy like the corrupt sheriff in Silverado or the equally evil sheriff in Rambo First Block, but he was a skilled enough actor to tackle software characters to like the friendly leader of a group of Alien, Sin Cocoon. One of his most memorable roles was big time. DOTING DAD and Chris Farley's Gut Busting Comedy Tommy boy a great character actor. Yeah, I I really liked him a lot, didn't he also play Bobby Knight on the ESPN movie I believe he's. Got Funny Brian Dennehy story emergency. Brake alert was the movie. The mountain men has remember that as nineteen eighty. Okay and I'll you know what my bad it Briandennehy? Was Brian Keith. With Bob, so we're going to say yes to Brian Keith. Mike Curtis now. He's not a whole famer to play for the Colts Seahawks Redskins, Bob. Yes or no, Nope, no I'm saying knows all around. It's out. How about Tom Lester actor greenacres, let's another character actor i. think if you saw him you at all. Yeah I know that guy, but I don't think so. No, you're no Bob. You're no gary. Who's great in the Mountain Menus? All right how about Herald read one of the statler brothers, Cassen, flow or smoking cigarettes than John Cap. Being arraigned lesson. Smoking. What's? led. Nothing to do. Yeah absolutely all right, so just a your. Yes, Bob I mean the boys on the fence, but uptown Gary I probably would have said no, except for the song, they were just saying in pulp fiction, so I'm. Going to beat which? I'm going to say yes. How about Bobby Lewis Singer? Edit tossing and turning and from animal house gets. I didn't sleep all. Cat Wouldn't know. So, is that enough to get him in, or is he fall into the one hit? Wonder Category He's one hit wonder tossing and turning a great song number one for seven weeks according to media, but now I I don't think so. How about Irfan Khan? He was an actor. He was in slumdog millionaire and he was in life. Yes. The older version of Life Pie guy that was on the boat that was telling the story of hair. I think that's the porn version of. If you saw him. Shoes you said the two movies Jesse I'm looking. For millier I fear his. So, why will count the wrath of Khan is that way? I'll vote for him. Yes, so just a year. Yes, Gary Year yes. Turn herself to issue. Maybe. KEEP GARAGE IN SUV. Cau-. Con. Yes to how about Sam Lloyd Actor rubs Galaxy. Coils is also a musician. Grow Greatness, so Bob Your? Yes, he was also an Seinfield. He was the TV guide. Guys Talk Elaine on the subway highlighter. Excuse me to highlight the program plan to walk. Really on I'm just trying to read bars. Okay, just I've never seen a beautiful lady reading the Guy. That's a yes, all right, so jared guesses here. Are you familiar with Sam Lloyd? Yes, absolutely! Yes, it is all right, so that is the end of April now. We're getting into, may I? One in May Katie grows American singer Songwriter. Anybody familiar with Katie groves now I. Think the only reason I included. That name is because again another social media. Everybody was raising that person. I'll say no on that one too, so this one. Probably if it's not Kobe, it's probably this. This person as the biggest sports debt of the year Don Shula Cody Dolphins coach. The Colts Donald Francis Shula was born January fourth, nineteen, thirty in Grand River Ohio coaching. where he made his mark. Chula would be hired by dolphins owner Joe Robbie in nineteen seventy, the franchise would never be the same. The young coach promptly demanded perfection. Soom the dolphins would be perfect, going seventeen, and no in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two, a record, which still stands as the NFL is only perfect season. The Dolphin Dynasty went back to back championships by thought league grinding it out his. Support appearances are the most of any coach, and so are his three hundred forty-seven wins absolutely. He went undefeated in seventy two, but the grim reapers undefeated all time. Right when I see the name sweep e I immediately. SWEETPEA whitaker. Or, sweet Pea Lloyd Daniels. but sweet Pea Atkinson singer in the band was not well was walk the dinosaur again on kind of another one hit wonder. Is that enough to? Open the door. Get on the floor, everybody. Get on. Everybody. Jesse re familiar with walk the dinosaur I am not familiar with it hit in the eighties. I'M GONNA. Let you guys make the call. I have no feeling one way or another buddy, no! No. No, no, yeah, you know what else they know to how `Bout Brian. How singer for bad company. He was the spare guy that followed hall Roger. He was not the singer for their biggest hits right now. They did have a couple of hits with this guy, but I wouldn't count only had a couple of hits up begin. Thank Jesse. How many is bad company? HOW BAD COMPANY ONE! Are Killing me. Are. He's closer right than you know. Look, you got feel like making love. Like making. Data! Made! Rock N Roll Fantasy I. Guess I'm. List of their the although. Fantasy. Role Fan. Is. All right, so Brian, how are we saying? No, no. No, no way. No, how all right? How about Roy Horn? Of. Siegfried and Roy. Let me tell you. Back I, tell you the. Lions have been under this. Much Attacks Siegfried and Roy. Secrets? That's the van, so he's es right absolutely. This could be argued as the biggest step of the year little Richard deliriously thrilling singer, and live performer from nineteen, fifty, five, Onward Little Richard, was an undisputed pioneers of rock and roll with such hits as ready Teddy and the impossibly exciting Lucille. Astonishing voice and exuberant, the Calorie driving fans into a frenzy, smashing stereotypes and define musical boundaries, exerting a monumental influence on performers. Who would follow him? Very big favor. Ricksen the Beatles would cover his songs and open for him in Germany, Prince Elton John David Bowie and many more all grateful inheritors of little Richard's joyful flamboyance. Luebbe. Back. Absolutely I. DO agree the biggest musical. It could be argued that maybe bill withers. Kenny Rogers is on par. He is one of the founding members of the rock and Roll Hall of fame. The amount of influence he had little Richard Jimmy is the biggest deaths of earlier Joe. Remember the Eddie Murphy Bit on Saturday night. Live when he did little Richard. Simmons could take. All right the next one viral sensation Paul Vasquez we know him as the Double Rainbow Guy. Double Raw the way the will ring. What does it mean it's a dumb? All the way. On. This is. Gary shaking his head. No now everybody is familiar with the Double Rainbow Bellagio. Right that's. He's A. We're not GONNA count. Chris Crocker when he dies either. Right so everybody's no. Bad I'm tempted to use an exemption, but I think already used it for the Konami Code Guy this one I know you guys are GonNa Count. Even though what does this guy ever done? Jerry Stiller. Jerry Stiller's acting was anything but serene best known as George Castanza's Dad Frank on Seinfeld. Millions of people also knew him as Arthur spooner on the TV series, the King of Queens a role. He played for nearly a decade, but it's is work on Seinfeld. That Jerry called life changing the tradition of festivus begins with the airing of grievances. I, got problems with your people. Seinfeld King of Queens Seinfeld. Yeah, it's kind of a spare show to me. Jesse are old enough to remember Stiller and Mira. They were all the shows back in the day. Absolutely plus Ben Stiller I mean although we haven't been counting celebrity relative, he has such a legacy of comic stuff. He did with his wife and then Seinfeld. That is an iconic role. Employees Yeah exactly all right, so we'll say yes to a Mr Stiller. How about Moon Martin Singer Songwriter. He wrote bad case of loving. You doctor Dr. Humidity Albert. Palmer Hits Young Doctor Gimme the? Ed came. Kimmy the. Kim? Martin also did X Ray. Visions anybody familiar with that did now know those glasses were rip off. I don't think one's enough, but that one's pretty good all right next one. I think it's going to count how about Phyllis George? CASTER NFL today was Miss America Nineteen, seventy-one, probably best known for asking Roger Staubach about his sex life. Roger! You have an all American image. You're kind of straight guy. Do you enjoy it or is it a burden? You know enjoy sex as much as JOE name. Only I do one girl own. Still come so yesterday, Phyllis George how about Lynn Shelton Film and Television Director. Directed Hump Day I. Guess That's the movie about the camel that walks through the office. Telling people that it's vague. Leslie. Guess what today is Hump Day. She directed a lot of episodes of madmen and glow to other TV shows, and she was having Marc Maron when she died. So you're familiar Bob Yeah, but borderline borderline Gary Year, no Jesse re familiar. Yeah, I I. Don't think all right, so let's say no to Lynn I'll about and here's another big name Fred Willard. Guest tonight. Modern Families Yes Phil's Dad Comedy Legend Fred Willard known for roles on the big screen, passing away at the age of eighty six, the after I, rising to prominence in the nineteen seventy seven satirical series, fernwood tonight, becoming known for his scene, stealing roles in movies, like best in show, and waiting for Guffman, showcasing his dry sense of humor, and taking on memorable parts on television, most recently on modern family comedy icons, Ben. Stiller Steve Carell and Steve Martin all honoring him with Martin Calling Willard his comic Kiro remember me. Remember me when I have passed away. Remember that I lived and died as you will to one day. That's actually very pretty good. Wrote it Oh I. Don't know it's an old pro, and probably some old guy dead and gone all those Christopher guest. He's the only firm, your heart of a lot of those movies full peewee in the movie theater to all right so Ken Osmond Eddie the off. Believe it to beaver. Is that enough to get him in, or is that why one hit wonder see? I think that character transcends the normal rule of one. I'm feeling the same way. I mean that could evening. You know this. Yearning Mrs Cleaver. That's a very pretty. Jess just don't trust a thirteen year. Old Boy, polite Eddie haskill. You say that almost everyone knows was like. Brand name for certain in, and that's the only reason he's even borderline because the truth is, he was lagged the fifth character on a TV show a longtime. He never did anything else so, Jesse. It sounds like you're yes right? Yeah, I am. That is such an iconic role I'm counting Gary I guess. All right I'm going to say yes, to another huge or death, Jerry Sloan, all of fame coach, and while there for bowls. He coached the jazz for like thirty years. You simply can't think of the Utah Jazz without thinking Jerry Sloan. He established his heart knows reputation as a player with Chicago. Balls and add number four retired into the rafters, seventeen games into the nineteen eighty-eight season Sloan. Sloan took over for Frank. Layden is head coach of the jazz and remained at the helm for twenty three years. He along with fellow hall of Famers John Stockton and Carl Malone made. The NBA Playoffs fifteen straight times nineteen, and all he had sixteen consecutive winning seasons, despite never winning coach of the year honors, Sloan was inducted into the basketball hall of fame in two thousand nine I. Am Pretty Light Casket because he didn't have his fingers way down with any rings, so now for two in the finals lost Jordan twice outside of that pretty still a record. Right absolutely all right so how about Lucky Peterson musician displayed. Blues are and be. He's from Dallas too, so you're familiar with him up only because I heard him talk about it on the ticket one day. I think that's the only reason I included him. Also anybody else familiar with his fine work. That we will say no. How `Bout Eddie, Sutton Hall of Fame College Basketball Coach for Oklahoma State. Eddie Sutton was born in Buckland Kansas March of Nineteen Thirty six coaching career began at Tulsa Central High School in one, thousand, nine, hundred fifty nine seven years later, he arrived at Southern Idaho and over the next forty years became quite simply one of the greatest coaches college hoops has ever known the first. First coach ever to take four teams to the NCAA tournament three final four appearances starting with Arkansas Nineteen, seventy eight, and then Osu and ninety five and two thousand four three times, he was national coach of the year and one of only eight coaches ever to rack up eight hundred victories only last month in his seventh time as a finalist, so was finally elected to the Naismith Basketball Hall of fame. Big Name in College Basketball Right so Bob Gary. You're both yeses. Jesse familiar with sudden I was I was familiar. With any sudden. I would say yes. Only a couple left about Richard heard after Seinfeld album all the president's men syndrome, so I assume into Seinfeld automatic right? It's not that's a character actor that I don't think makes it oh. So you're know Gary. Yeah. I'm not GonNa Count either even though. He was shake lab Jesse. Were you familiar with? I am not I'm going to give a pass as well right and the last one I have Anthony James Actor in the heat of the night high plains drifter unforgiven are familiar with Anthony James's fine work is not sound familiar to me. He was a guy. Yeah. I don't know the name Oh if you facie, recognize him. Very recognizable eighties, bad guy, yeah, but no not enough to get him in, so that concludes our lists the only person you didn't mention LS Marcellus who is Brandon Marcellus went marseils. Father passed in April. He is definitely. There is a dynasty of jazz musicians that he was the head of the. where, the No, I don't think he's worthy of exemption so I have tallied up the numbers. We have fifty two yeses with means that Bob hit the number right on the head. Wins both cases. I was so so. y'All were in the same ballpark because me reconsidered the Virginian yea. That's what our unit to Jesse. Jesse would've wanted he screwed himself. Jesse screwed himself drew appreciates what you did for. Alpine did too. Yes, absolutely all right. Thank you so much junior. This is always I hate to say fun, but it is Gary if someone wants to reach you. How can me travel underscored cowboy on twitter? All lukewarm tallboy junior all right so you can reach me. Mexican underscore junior on twitter. You can email the. GonNa say that's lip service. You can email the podcast. How many PODCASTS DOT com leave messages on our facebook page on our Youtube Channel and Jesse and I am at Jesse. Jackson DFW on twitter be safe. 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Jim Leyland on Miguel Cabrera, Barry Bonds and Justin Verlander

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

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Jim Leyland on Miguel Cabrera, Barry Bonds and Justin Verlander

"Well tonight the PODCAST. This is the baseball tonight. Podcast for Thursday may seven two thousand twenty Taylor swift is producing from his own studio in Connecticut. Buster only working from my home studio just north of New York City We're GONNA be talking with Jim. Leyland about his time. As manager the Pittsburgh pirates in the marlins and the rockies and the Detroit Tigers and he's got some great observations about Barry Bonds in about his good friend alkaline in the last dinner that they shared together a couple of notes before that the corona virus pandemic has slowed contract talks between Hobby Boulez in the cubs. Baya's under team control through two thousand twenty one told the SPN that the cubs in his representatives had what he characterized as multiple quote unquote really good conversations about a long term contract extension during the spring but obviously the context those talks and just about everything else is very much change. Jeff Passan reports major league. Baseball expects to offer return to play proposal to Meld the player Association within a week as teams have begun to encourage players to prepare for a second spring training could begin in mid June and a season could start in early July although significant Jeff rights although a significant number of hurdles remain in some industry leaders believe June and July return dates or overly optimistic ownerships approval of a plan. Dialogue about specifics with the Union would mark a two vital steps toward return from a season so far delayed six weeks by the pandemic. I had one influential source. Tell me a couple of days ago. That last week he was optimistic. There would be a resumption of the season and this week. He is less optimistic. Because all of the issues that have to be resolved. Jeff went on to report scouting. Directors are waiting on the official word but have told the ESPN that they expect the MLB draft in June. To be five rounds. That's what I've heard too. Instead of the standard forty further the most teams of guaranteed employees. Paid through the end of. May delay of baseball beyond July would precipitate a wave of furloughs layoffs according to sources and by the way that June date for the drafts to some folks in the industry. Believe that as soon as that is over that you'll see furloughs of a lot of scouts now before we get to Jim Leyland into Marley Rivera. GonNa promote our own podcast. Be Sure to tune in tomorrow. Is We finally play? The Terry Francona interview. We've had an evolved for a few weeks. Tito is going to be telling stories about his days. As coach of the Birmingham Manager of the Birmingham Barons when a guy named Michael Jordan was on a squad. Once you're done listening watch episode seven and eight of the last dance Sunday on. Espn presented by state farm. At and t. The podcast will be a good appetizer. Documentary is GonNa Touch on Michael's baseball playing days. We hope you're as excited as we are. Rivera covers baseball for ESPN and Marley earlier this week on ESPN DOT COM and interview. That you did with Tony. Clark ahead of the Players Association was posted. People can find it there What was your biggest takeaway from your conversation with Tony? I was a little bit surprised. Buster in that conversation because obviously we have seen all the quote unquote proposals. That have been out there. You know or Zona Plan that Florida Plan. You know even you know Dallas has been include. Nbc's in what? I asked Tony Straight out which one of these plants at the better possibility which I believe is one of the questions that you suggest that 'cause obviously well let's talk about these kind of QNA's he said there isn't a proposal on my desk and that was surprising to me. I always thought that obese proposals were being talked about that. All of these were had been run by the Players Association. Now we have learned that Major League baseball getting proposal together and it should be at Tony Status cow in the upcoming day. But that was the most interesting thing buster. That's that the players association wasn't that involved in those stocks Marley earlier today did a radio interview and I was asked about the the context of you know that That proposal that Major League Baseball is GONNA put forward to the players. They said look for me. Based on what I've heard from agents in club executives Major League Baseball Officials. That would be like the first batter stepping into the box for the very first inning. The top of the first in terms of the process. What what's your on it. That the cluster. And that's when I mentioned that I was surprised. It's exactly that this is the very beginning. Now let's look at the positive. The beginning is happening right and we are in. May and obviously you and I have heard that the are looking at late July. An mid-july is an option. So right now. We're thinking of the three weeks spring. Greg obviously this all depends on what happens with this terrible pandemic and you know I live in New York City and I'm seeing first hand that this is nowhere near control at this point but the good part is that you're right the batteries out the first pitch is coming but we thought I had been out there a while ago. Yeah exactly two of the biggest issues that they're going to have to deal with in negotiations between Major League Baseball and the Players Association one is The salary rollbacks that the major league baseball teams are GONNA be looking for. I heard actually this week. That on the management side. There's actually one teen. It's already instructed their Front Office for two thousand and twenty one to cut payroll so that's the mindset on that side. The other two is the question of liability You know if a player walks into a stadium he gets a corona virus. He gets sick. Who's actually responsible for that? What did you learn in your conversation with Tony about those? Two issues about salary rollbacks about liability in terms of salary rollback To be very clear that all the conversations and this is quoting you know even chief Tony Clark. That everything we're going to talk about in terms of salary is done and that the focus right now. He said we have an agreement. Obviously that agreement can be adjusted right. So that's that's the one thing that Tony said about salary and the one thing that he stress constantly he said this is all about player. Safety and the liability is an issue. And it's something that they're discussing and not only for the players buster for third third parties to right people who get infected with the coronavirus because the particular team opens up for business right so it's not only about. The players. Reliability is much wider than that and the focus player health and safety number one for the Union. That was the one thing that Tony said that the one thing that we care about that Major League Baseball should cure about and until they result that he basically he didn't say it flat out but he implied that their membership would not agree to anything that would not guarantee players safety and again you can read Marley story on. Espn DOT COM in a moment. We're GONNA be talking. Jim Leyland the longtime manager of the Detroit. Tigers the pirates and other teams One of the players I intend to ask him about. Miguel Cabrera someday will make a speech at cooperstown. I don't think it's going to be the longest speech ever made cooperstown. Marlton I feel I. You know look you feel bad for everybody affected by this in any walk life but you know. I've thought Miguel Cabrera who? When I saw him in spring training he was in tremendous shape and it looked like okay. He has a chance to bounce back from last year he just turned thirty seven in April. Two thousand eight hundred and fifteen hits. Mickey Cabrera will make one of my favorites and you said you know. He's he doesn't have to be on. He certainly be memorable and I'll tell you this is the kind of person. Go Cabrera S. I broke my my leg a couple of years ago and I happen to be walking by Detroit airport kind of hobbling with my suitcase and within a connecting flight and all of a sudden someone comes from behind the grabbed my suitcase and I turn around to obviously due to yell. Whoever this person is and Caparo and he looks at me he goes. Do you need some help. And I thought it was one of those moments that shows who make. Yes that is this one of the most humble superstar in Major League Baseball. And when you buster about the kind of guys that this affects it also reminded me of Felix Hernandez who is also looking for another chance. Who is really supposed to make that breaks rotation and isn't that same position of not knowing whether he's GonNa have a chance and you said begin. Everyone is always criticising that. Cabrera has all these years left on his contract and he came back with a healthy back. You know trying to be an everyday player again and now we don't know what we're GONNA get. We'll say that's a great story. I'd never heard that you'd never told that. That's awesome. All right MARLA. Thank for doing this. Of course thank you. You guys have a good day. Thanks Taylor it's time to make the call call to the legend on baseball tonight. Jim Leyland managed twenty two years in the big league. Seventeen hundred sixty nine wins a world series title with the Marlins in one thousand nine hundred seventy two American league championships with the Detroit Tigers Jim How you doing. Thanks for helping to distract US. Not Not a problem. You know doing like everybody else. Just kind of found the letter of the law. And you know hopefully things are gonNA turn around here and people are going to get well. We'RE GONNA quit lose lies and at some point maybe even back baseball but I think that's not the most important thing right now. Obviously absolutely now I always thought that a common denominator among the best managers is and it sounds simple. But I think it's absolutely true. Is that They like people They they're they're they have a great appreciation for people. And you are always one of those and let me give me an example that this is a sound from game five division series against the Yankees Two thousand eleven. Give a lesson base. Leland says you should have been there for this. His Bat especially at Yankee Stadium and Don. Kelly answers the call from his manager London. Nothing Tigers has done. Kelly goes deep own. We see this pitch on the replay curveball over the Middle Zone. The first game that nobody pitched he threw merrily. Tristan was talking to Jim. Leyland you could see that breaking ball. John was talking about. He talked about a stiff different lineup. Brian you brought up. And he said he'd liked Kelly and Jim that sound from a tbs. Brian Anderson and Ron Darling and John smoltz but I'll never forget your reaction that day after you guys won that game and now happy you were for Don Kelly. What do you remember about that? Well I remember I was actually. I really thought he was a good matchup for nowhere. To be honest with you I know they've been Brodsky wasn't quite sure. I think when I played in hit him second but I just felt like he was a good matchup for Nova and I felt you know with short porch in in Yankee Stadium You know. I thought I had a feeling that you know he might do something. Big Force I didn't know what was going on but I thought he had a chance to have a decent game and of course You know there's not a better Guy Than Nyunt Kelly's new bench coach for the Pittsburgh pirates than coming home out of Pittsburgh and you know he's just one of those guys that everybody loves. He's a good guy and he's A. He was a perfect extra player because he never complained. He knew it wasn't gonNA play a lot but never complained was always ready to do it. And it's actually a really good defensive outfielder so he was a better player. I think that people gave him credit for He didn't hit the high fastball. Very good but He was actually a better player. Bust I think people thought he was and he was a perfect set on a nice team a good team. We had some stars but you know slip this guy in every once in a while and he you know he provided some dividends force You always worked hard at connecting with players. When I'd be in Detroit clubhouse you'd swing through. You seem to have something going with each one of the guys there Tell me about that. You know how you did that. Well I think you know you have to have the team concept. Obviously you have to have some team rules but you know how you get everybody to abide by. Those rules could be different. You know people are different. There's individuals and I always try to make it a point during batting practice to walk around. How the Outfield Talk? Everybody other dawn check in the family. You know just different things to let them know that you care about them. There's something besides baseball you know and I always wanted to kind of mixed with him to get an idea. You could always tell when somebody saw you coming if they were mad at you because they weren't playing enough or something but ironed it out. You know the other thing I did was very rarely. I'm not saying I didn't do it but I very rarely ever had a closed-door meeting with the player because I did it during the outfield and batting practice in other words we had a problem with player myself had a problem. I I was out during batting practice and I would eventually get to him and we would discuss you know whatever the problem was because I felt like if you close the door you know it. It sends a message. Sort of media sends a message to the other players. It's embarrassing so the player his peers know what's going on the media knows what's going on. I tried to do a little bit different so the fire was never embarrassed and yet you could go out in the outfield. People didn't know whether you were of joke. Or you know getting on each other and what it was so I don't know you just learn things over the years little Max that you think are advantageous to his manager. And you're right to be honest with you. I mean that is one thing is strategy. I mean manager option and the manager. You always try to pick your things your best option to win the game but Saturday is GonNa be questioned with anybody so I it's dealing with people and getting them to play hard for you and get into play for you and then you know. Hopefully you're making the right move during a game. What once the game started. What was your favorite part about managing in a game? Well I love the strategy. I really did in. It's it's a funny game because it's no two games of the same and that's why some of the new stuff that they have now at the analytics stuff. There's a lot of troops that stuff over the entire course of the season with all the teams involved but each game is different. So what you have to do to win that particular game. That night is the most important thing and it might be. Contrary is something the analytic set you amid those people might not believe that but overall all those percentages might be right but your percentage to to win this game this particular game. This night could be totally different. It could be on the other side of the percents swing. So you have to be careful with that. I loved it. I loved the preparation. You know we had all that information going in and when you see things unfold. It was always a fun thing to see. I think probably the most important thing is handling your bullpen. I don't think there's any question about that I think if you if you got good stars in a bad bullpen. You can leave your starter into long you know if you got good starters in a good bullpen. You can take your starting out too quick so I it was a fun thing and that actually. That's the most fun time of their day or evening when the game starts. Trevor Hoffman of course hall of fame. Closer when he would blow a say he would sit in the dug-out after the game for about ten minutes and just process what happened at night and then he would go back into the clubhouse in his mental thinking was once they walk back into the clubhouse. I've washed off in a moving forward for you as a manager how difficult were dealing with top losses. Well I think that's a great point because I think the different people handle it differently. I did a little bit different than I went in the clubhouse after the game and I stayed till after everybody left and I thought about it and being them on Mike. Stay with me for most of that time but I think about it and discuss it. You usually have you know one guy in my case it was gene where you could bounce things off of you. Say about this game. I should have done. This should have done that. What do you think and you talk about it? But I always waited Till I knew that I was ready to turn the page before I left the clubhouse sometimes I would sit in the clubhouse and watch the late out on the west coast until one fifteen or so in the morning before I went home but once I went home it was over with and the next day was a new chapter. I'll always think of the roses. The greatest manager in the history of baseball. He's obviously a friend of yours. You know him well. What separated him as a manager in Your Eyes. I think the number one thing I coached your Tony for four years. I think I think Tony was the best at you. Know you can manage three or four games in a row where there's really not a lot to do you know if your clubs rolling good and things are falling right. There's there's not a lot of major decisions sometimes but you can't manage like that you have to stay on top of it in case that little surprise comes up you have to be ready for it and I never saw Tony. Larussa surprised I mean I. I saw him win. The white sox are going good. I think we want ninety gains ninety nine games in in eighty three something like that but you know there was a lot of games where everything was food went well but if something come up he he never missed it and I think that's really the key to being a good manager. You cannot get lulled asleep and you have to be prepared for anything to be honest with you. I never really worried about the manager and the other dugout or his players. I worried about my players. And that's what I did and I'll give you a silly. For instance. I mean. Everybody and their brother knew that if the Yankees had a one run lead going into the ninth inning. Sometimes they think that you're Marielle Rivera. There's no secrets to what the other major is. GonNa do in most cases so I tried to concentrate on having my players. Ready to concentrate on quitting my player in the best situation to succeed What's the biggest change in the position of manager in recent years in Your Eyes? You mentioned the analytics. Well there's more people involved I mean. I think there's more people that want to give you more information. I think that You know I get upset when people call me old school. I'm old but I'm not old school. Believe me I've never met a manager yet. They didn't want any information that would help him win. A game But I didn't WANNA bunch of idol of reading material. You don't have time to read a book during the game. Things happens fast and people. I think. Sometimes those people don't understand that well you're in the DUGOUT. You got three run lead all of a sudden you know. Walk Hispasat in a blast games tied. So it's a very fast pace down there. Where the analytical stuff you sit is drawn out and you think it out maybe prepared you look at percentages and all this stuff but you don't really have time to take a test game is going on. I mean this stuff. These guys are really good and things happen fast. So I think that they've given you more information more in People are involved I think from what I understand. I don't know this to be a fact. They say that some teams Suggest lineups all the time manager Whether that's true or not I really don't know that but I I will make this point along those lines so that people will think I'm old school every day. I mean for the most part you. You have your certain players that are going to play every day you know that. So there's not a Lotta secret to that when they keep talking about these lineups stuff you know for the most part were but I talked to Dave Dombrowski every day. I talked to my coaches every day. If there was a situation like Donna Kelley situation or Marcus Tin. Hey I got a choice between this guy that guy. What do you guys think? I discussed that all the time. Nobody has all the answers. But I think that in my opinion it's a manager doesn't know his players better than anyone else. He probably shouldn't be the manager so I I think that I like that information and I respect it. I think there's more of it in today's game. I think some of it's very valuable. I think some of its eyewash. To be honest with you but I think there's stuff out there and by way the computer as we all know you get your information quicker. I mean it took a little while to get it when I first started managing but then later on you got the computer you've got to plan out. You got the match ups. You got the percentages you know. He wanted to give a guy day off you look at something and this guy. He's one of my better players. He needs a day off. But I'M GONNA pick the spot three days from now because that's the one guy. He doesn't hit very well so I'll give them a day off that day. You know what I mean. There's a lot goes into this but I think people really need to let the manager's manager Terry Francona as a great relationship with the Cleveland Front Office. He told me that there are times when the front office will come to him with an idea concept. You know you should play this guy more. Should use this guy this way or that. Sort of thing Antares feeling is there. Sometimes when you have for lack of a better way to describe it a political situation or you have a player who's in a certain state of mind and so he will say I hear you give me some time to work to it in terms of dealing with the player. What you mentioned Dave Dombrowski worked with for years. When you guys had differences of opinion how would you work through that? The lineup was always mind. They was great I'd ask you for suggestions but never one time to say. Hey you have to play this guy. You can't play that guy that never happened. I mean we would discuss things and ultimately he would always tell me. Hey you're the manager. It's your lineup. And but I think when you say that and I think he does right. I think you listened to people. Now you know it all depends. Who's coming down with the information? I mean you know that that all that has something to do with it too but I think like virtually even yet today I I went in and listen to the analytical. Seminar for my organization is very interesting. I think there's something to some of it. I don't think there's any question about it and I think you're always open to suggestions but once again you you gotta be careful all of a sudden you know if you're not gonNA play a player and you know you slept on it. If you didn't get that word the player you got a veteran player and he comes in and sees the lineup you know. I always made it a point to try to tell them the night before they were going to have a day off or two days before they're going to have a day off and if there was ever a surprise During those times I would sit there after a tough loss or something. I might even follow him on his way home. And say you know what? I'm thinking seriously I don't want to be shocked but I'm thinking seriously maybe give tomorrow off or change the line up a little bit tomorrow. I think so. There's much more to do than people think. And it's a lot more difficult. I believe this stuff that they think that anybody can manage. Put a bunch of numbers together and anybody can manage i. I don't buy that I can tell you firsthand the better your players about letting you manage hall of fame caliber players guys who presumably. GonNa make speeches and Cooperstown one. Ask You about Miguel Cabrera. What was was the first one he signed with the Marlins after you left that organization the first time that you heard about them or SOM- and person in what were your first impressions will even. This was a superstar in the making. I saw him with the Marlins I believe. A home run off. Roger Clemens in the World Series when he was twenty one years old. Maybe or something like that. I'm not sure twenty years old possibly but Yeah he you know and you could see. This was a star. No makings and I was fortunate enough to be his manager for quite a while and I actually was fortunate enough to be the manager. What he wanted to triple crown. And I've never seen anything like that. Because you know guys like Miguel Cabrera I think dilatory won the batting title one year and guys like Joe and Miguel cover. They never got any leg hits. I mean they they they don't those guys don't get infield hits because they didn't really good so they. It was legitimate everything they did and to watch that year that he put together to win the triple crown. I think the first time since you jumped sixty seven. It was actually amazing. I've really never seen anything like it. And he was hitting balls out of the BALLPARK. Right field left me like ping pong balls. I mean it was just. It was amazing. I would tell people that. I thought that you know friends who are fans. I would say the coolest thing to watch a bad Miguel Cabrera to me. Was the pitch to pitch adjustments that he would make with his hands and his feet Anything jump out at you about that. Well he was. There's no question that he's a real smarter You know there's a lot going out with the hitting today and the new in new world of hitting which I. I'm not really sure about to be honest. I don't know that much about it but again I'll and Magyar Donas. Were together on the same thing. They were both brilliant hitters. They had a great feel for what the Pitcher is. GonNa try to do to. You're right they would make adjustments and you know what neither one of them I think. Maglione drove in forty eight runs with singles one year and he was not above taking basit. The right field with two outs in the Second. Miguel's kind of the same way a little bit more now because the is kind of diminished. A little bit since all the injuries but You know smart hitters than I just I I just I'm a big believer that the really good hitters. They pick up the ball quicker than the guys who don't hit so well see the ball out of the hand much quicker and I when Miguel was really good. He's starting to charge a little bit more now to catch up but when he was really good that ball come out of hand and he would just spit on a slider down. The Way He knew was off the plate other guys were charging. You know maybe swinging at at the one in a dirt or something. But I really believe that. They're really good hitters their their vision depth perception. Everything I think has to be better than than most guys. It's funny you say Jim. One time I was having a conversation with Tony. Gwynn about his good friend. Barry Bonds you managed in Pittsburgh and Tony said to me. He said I think Berry picks up the ball. When it's at the pitchers had or maybe even be a little bit before that I said Tony. How do you know that he goes because I see it the same way? What do you remember the first time you saw Barry Bonds? Will you know? He was kind of a young brash guy when he first came up very talented. Once again you saw superstar in the making This is the best player ever managed. I mean people have arguments. I don't get into all that what happened. What didn't happen? I don't know but I mean the hall of fame. I don't know if he's GonNa make it but very definitely hall of Famer and and so I. This guy was just. He could do everything he i. I never saw better leftfielder. His arm was not real strong but building work with him and he got to the ball. He was the best defensive player in left field that I've ever seen and You know offensively could steal basis yet power and power little later obviously than when I although he did thirty I think for me but This guy was you could just see. This guy was a true superstar. He's he's all around the Best Player. I ever managed. Although Larry Walker is the best five tool player I ever had but Barry Bonds was the best player I ever had. What was it like to Manage Berry? Who obviously spent his whole life in baseball and been around clubhouse Izzo Life. Well I thought it was a piece of cake I I. I loved very. We're very good friends. You know we had to one blow up his famous kind of embarrassing to me. Because I think it's kind of a trademark and that's embarrassing because it was just a misunderstanding in two guys really liked each other very was one of those guys that was he was very interesting and this goes back to manage it and this goes back to what you said earlier about. People very was the type of guy that if I would have made up to him. And just as fanny and all this stuff. I don't think he would've liked so I always try to. I always tried to leave him in doubt whether I really liked him or not. And I just kinda wanted to keep them guessing because if you are not all over. Berry he just. He just didn't like that he wasn't the type of guy he was. He was a tough guy. He's got a great heart. He did a lot of things behind the scenes for in Pittsburgh that nobody do about send kids to college. Faith that their education. I mean this guy is he. He was a different guy to the media and I think it actually hurt him in nineteen ninety one you MVP. I don't believe he went to New York writers dinner and I think that was the start of people being upset with Berry but if you really know Berry and get to know. Berry he's got a great heart he's a very very close friend of mine and you always will be just in burl lander You're the first impressions you had when you met him. Well you know I saw him in spring training. And that's a really good story to be honest with you when I saw him in spring training. You know you're watching throw like eight tax. You know everybody's on the eight throwing him. You Watch these guys you know obviously heard about. I mean it was the number one pick and all that stuff so I remember when I took the job I asked Dave Dombrowski said you know you. GotTa let me take the guys I wanNA take. He said well you know within reasons. I mean they lost and they had the right to give you the players. That I felt was the general manager's job and once he gave them to you then you manage it well. He said within reason well wasn't long in the spring training. I'll take this guy and this guy and it was just in Berlin and Gills. Amaya and I remember Dave and I said well you know you don't know what they're gonNa do and I said well you're right. I don't but I know what the guys that we've had here for. The last five years are going GONNA do. We haven't finished five hundred in Detroit for thirteen seasons and you lost a hundred and some games two years ago. I said I know what they're gonNA do. So I I wanNA take a shot. I like talent and he he was all on board with it. Dave gave it the blessing and We took Justin verlander pretty much. The rest is history. Yeah I was going to say among players had been around. I don't know the first time I interviewed Justin I asked him. You know what his goal was and typically get You know have a good season Hope we finished first and he just looked me in the. I want to everything I can to be in the hall of fame about his goal. How goal oriented he is. I think you know I. I don't think anybody worked hard at him. I think that You know he was relentless. Who's worked and everything and and his preparation everything and I I. I don't question about that. I think you're right. I think that was his goal from day. One and I think that goal's probably accomplished I I would hope so. Certainly some point but You know he was just relentless and he was you know they talk about how much he's changed since he got the Houston. He's a better pitcher and that way. Yeah I don't know about that. I mean just barely an MVP. Cy Young and troy so he was. He was a little bit different because when he was really young. Buster just had over. Overpowering stuff great curveball. Really a good fastball. Good change up. Didn't have the slider yet. But he was a little bit more of a wild stallion. There's no question about it now. He's mastered that high fastball control. He's still got the other pitchers so he's pitching a little bit more a little bit better probably than the not relying quite as much on stuff but this guy's been great pitcher from pretty much day one and last one for another hall of Famer I WanNa ask you about is someone you got to know. Well in Detroit and that'd be out Kaelin who passed away recently. I thought it was neat. That When people talked about him after his passing that most of what was talked about was what a great person he was. Yeah he was you know they. They called him Mr Tiger. I called him Mr Gentleman. I do al since nineteen sixty three. When I signed with the tagline spring chains sixty four I think he had been there earlier obviously and I was in the minor leagues but any time we went over to big club and later on I feel bad and faxes might create so bad graduate students so he treated you like you were a team like you were one of the guys and then of course getting a job. I spent a lot of time with him. He come in my office pretty much every day when I managed the Tigers When we were at home and we became really really close friends in fact two nights before he left spring training to come home this year. He asked me Jim. Could you have dinner with me and Louise and I said absolutely we just had a great great time went to Dinner Lake and sat and visited talks and last and and I I pretty much knew to be honest with you. It was like this is. This is kind of a way of same to buy because we got back to the hotel he said. Hey Jim give me a hug. He said thanks for being my friend. All these years and I knew that it was. I felt like it was different. You know was like this is some kind of good file. It's kind of a weird and I went back to my room and later Ben I said thinking about is said man. It didn't seem just right. You know that sound like a rabbi and sure enough. It was well Jim. I appreciate you taking the time and You know tell us great stories. I've always loved going into your office when you managed in hearing your stories because of such great insight into the game. Well I appreciate that. Thank you for every on buster and good luck state healthy. Here's Tim Daly baseball fix about Bartolo Cologne. Hi this is to in this day. Two Thousand Sixteen Bartolo Cologne. Forty two became the oldest player ever to hit his first. Major League homer surpassing Randy Johnson. Who was toward mets broadcaster? Gary von call one of the greatest moments in baseball history is really shouldn't have been that stunning. Kalani hit home runs in all the time to Scotch break. Include the splits unbelievably strong. Could you reverse curls like this with thirty five pound weights just about this diesel yet? It was he homered. Prophet Games shields. Heaven was on base at the time thought over prize did or what he told me that alone dot to home plate he said he says. Gordy life the rest of you said I said. Are you kidding me so the two guests of Dugout and there's nobody in the dugout? They're all down in. Milwaukee told me then they all came shooting out of all the all bear hug amazing listening bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets for Thursday. I one up Donald Mobely at Donald mobely writes in. What's the strangest or most unique promotional giveaway? You've seen in major league baseball through the years. Wow you know and it wasn't I don't know if you'd call this unique but because it's tied in the event that I covered It's always stuck out with me on the day. The David Wells threw his perfect game may seventeenth nineteen ninety eight. It was beanie Baby Giveaway Day at Yankee Stadium. And that day was year before my daughter was born in. So you know. Typically when we're handed stuff at the ballpark is reporter. I I don't keep it and I'll give it to like a kid that I know or something like that. So that's what I want to deal with that thing and then I heard like later in the summer like those things were selling for hundreds of dollars on Ebay and so I've always remembered beanie baby day David Wells tied with his perfect game. That's wild the beanie baby. Craze when a throwback Portland Maverick at the battery B's writes in buster who was a quote unquote junk pitcher. You loved watching here. The North West I saw a ton of Jamie moyer starts with a low eighties fastball an assortment of Salad that frustrated the hell out of hitters. He won two hundred sixty nine games with over two thousand four hundred strikeouts fun to watch. What about you? I totally back you up on that and I have a great Jamie Moore Story. on the nineteen ninety-five Orioles team. That I covered for the Baltimore Sun He was thirty two years old at the time and he had had some struggles. I remember the day that the orioles cut him. I WANNA say mid season but I remember standing in front of Jamie's locker and Jamison Super Nice Guy. And he hadn't really accomplished that much in his career hadn't had any big years and he was talking about how you know. I feel like I've got some things that I've been working on. That could really turn for me and no kidding in the back of my mind. The thought that was going through. Was You know what dude? It's time to go home to the kids. It's just a you know it's time to give it up now obviously would never say that anyone who am I but he went on one like two hundred sixty games after that pitching into late forties with that great pitchers arrogance believing that hitters were big dumb oxen that needed to be exploited and he did that a lot. Good stuff last one today. Jason Amigo at Jason Amigo rates. In what was your favorite moment of Tony? Gwynn's career and Y. You spent a great deal of time covering him buster. You have a special fondness for Tony. I'm interested to hear this as well. Yeah and I got a lot of stories about him. But my favorite was from the nineteen ninety-five all star game. He scored the game winning Run on a walk off head By Moi's illu by remember correctly the noises lower Fred mcgriff but either way What I remember was of course You know I was the beat writer covering the Padres for the San Diego Union was act thousand nine hundred four all star game. I Apologize But You know Tony was for me was a must have and so I went down into the club. And he wasn't there and I was starting to panic because my deadline was coming up and saying. Oh my God I gotta get Tony. I gotta get Tony. And I found him and in classic Tony Gwynn fashion. He basically wrote my story because when he spoke and he talked about his journey around the basis Scoring the winning right He. He talked anecdotally. It was like he narrated the whole thing. I saw the hit going to left center field and I thought if if I can get to second before bobble by just had such a wonderful way of telling stories and that was my game story in the next year when I applied for job with the Baltimore Sun that was mentioned by the sportscenter. Wow that was a great game story. What it didn't tell him was. Yeah that was basically narrated by Tony Win. It was like an oral history the way Tony told stories. That's amazing Tony. Got To the job with the Sun I am. I always people. I was so lucky to cover Tony as a young beat reporter because I learned so much from him and that was a mall or he just absolutely teed it up for me. That's amazing all right. Everyone that's bleacher tweets for today. Subscribe to the podcast. Wherever you listen to podcasts. And don't forget Terry Francona Tomorrow. Going to be good. Don't forget I'm telling you it was a fun. 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Episode 115: Never a Dull Moment

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Episode 115: Never a Dull Moment

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We're delighted to have you, but it would be easier for you and better for us. If you made as part of your feet at Google play Stitcher, itunes, or tune in if you like what you hear here, please consider reviewing us on itunes if you don't like what you hear here, please forget. I said anything, right? David French. We had this big, reveal this week, the major roll out by Elizabeth Warren of her. DNA test which she got a initial positive story in the Boston Globe that did some of the math wrong. But it showed the tests show that she has some may have some native American ancestry back in the eighth or tenth generation. And if it's back all the way in the tenth that would make her one one thousand and twenty fourth native American, which is basically a white noise no pun intended and would make any more native American than the average American. What do you make of it. Well, you know, one of my first responses is this is one of the only time you'll ever hear me. Say these words. I was for a moment thankful for Twitter, and the reason is if you look at the initial wave of coverage of this and it wasn't just the Boston Globe that trumpeted this, you had AP putting stuff out the hill, putting stuff out Daily Beast, putting stuff out Washington Post, New York Times, kinda running this as a straight. Well. She was challenged by Donald Trump to prove or native American ancestry, and she proved or native American ancestry. As if this was some sort of triumph for at least interesting rollout for presidential campaign worth analyzing quite seriously. And then all of a sudden the right half of Twitter. It was like, paused for moment. Wait, analyze what just occurred. And then just the peals of laughter raining down from the Twitter heavens just completely disrupted the narrative. In the laughter was entirely justified. I mean, this is a person who was essentially claiming that on a native American heritage that was very thin at best. And then as you said on the extreme in what have one thousand and twenty four parts native American, that no, even in the best case, she could not under any circumstances claim to be a native American in, say, a job context without committing resume fraud. There was no conceivable way in which he could be clear classified as eight of American like she had done for years and so that you just heard these incredible peals of laughter and it actually, I think shook the media a bit out of it stupor and they realized how ridiculous this was. And so within hours, the commentary pivoted from Oshii just own Donald Trump and Donald Trump needs to pay up on this bed into how did this campaign commit such a colossal owned. Goal and in it really was this dynamic that occurred online where people looked at it and said, wait a minute. She just actually proved our critique. She just proved that she had no business listing herself as a native American on these faculty directories in the eighties nineties. When by the way it matter knit awful lot, whether or not someone was counted as a woman of color in these faculty being counting exercises in academia and in the critique was proven. Why are you saying she one up Trump and it was really fascinating to see it all shift just in a matter of hours. So Charlie, my my favorite aspect of this is when Warren tweeted that she, she doesn't identify as native American interests. Senate listing is this like a major concession on her part. The whole thing was a disaster for her, and I got the impression she thought she was going to have a good day and that it went seriously awry. Who came up with this idea, and I am astonished that she was trolled into this by Trump. She must have understood that she couldn't win that fight. Apparently not. I think that this is quite important for a couple of reasons. The first one is that it seems to me this is going to happen more and more as the Democratic Party becomes increasingly obsessed with identity figures such as Lisbeth Warren white people. Going to have to reconcile that whiteness with the claims increasingly popular on the left. There is something wrong with whiteness well with white people. If you look at the way, Susan Collins was treated off to vote for Cavanaugh much of the country. We saw on the left focused in on the fact that she was white. She was a white woman and white women were the people who elected Trump white women were the people who rallied behind caviar and white women with those in the Senate cost the deciding votes. Well, if you have aspirations within not just the party that has that coalition with, but if you have aspirants to lead that coalition and if anyone doubts that Elizabeth Warren does just look speeches at net roots nation, for example, then you have a bit of a problem because you are that that he's who you always you're from you all that avatar. And you have to get around it and so that you know, I think we're gonna see more attempts to distance. From whiteness and more hilarious attempts to say, well, you know, ten generations ago I may have had somebody in my family may have been from this group or another. The second reason that I think that it matches is that. There is now a tension clearly between the way in which Elizabeth Warren has presented has self as a member of congress, and the way in which Elizabeth Warren has presented itself before she got into congress debt must be a good number of people in America who are going to have to say as you just noted, hey, I didn't do this in congress, but who did it before and that signals change that signals a change the a Fordham. Law review. I think paper that highlighted Elizabeth Warren is a person of color. They put it, but now she saying, I'm not or at least I'm not in any formal way. How many older Democrats, how many people within the party have that similar problem? And what is it going to do to their careers? And what does it say about the way in which the left is changing? So yes, it was very funny and we had a good laugh at her expense, and she's ridiculous person, and the fact that she thought she was going to win new cycle is hilarious. But I do think it says something about the way in which identity politics has morphed and changed on the left. And it says something about the way in which people who all milquetoast and just normal boring, white people will fit into that coalition. If they are similar tain Asli supposed to be leaders, but also the problem. So Luke Charlie mission, the trolling, and it just seemed as though she was on the horns of a dilemma and the face by everyone who's been mocked with Trump and she decided to kind of respond on his terms, it'd be a little bit like to, you know, to trigger risk triggering, you hear a little bit like Marco and the campaign saying, oh, you know what? I'm not little. I got all this proof. I'm not little. And how are you how you possibly going to win that debate? And now she's just giving him more immunised. So it should be noted that Senator Dole faces a slightly different political dynamic than a primary candidate against Trump which is in order to distinguish yourself from crowded democratic field. It's probably good to get attacked by Trump a lot. And I think that's part of what she was trying to do. Of course, when she did is. Really, really seriously hurt herself one by exposing that she's just a complete life fraud and second and look like we all know Elizabeth more actually spousal higher. It's true that she wasn't hired for affirmative action reason. She was hired because her husband was hired that was part of the deal, but more to the point. In addition to getting derided by Trump, she's now than derided by every sane person not aggressively committed to rationalizing the the embarrassing arguments of every democratic presidential candidate, son and clearly proved to be an art listening sheer of the the ground level. Do's and don'ts blocking and tackling identity politics, but she did it no way that is is perhaps only uniquely possible for the whitest person ever to come out of Oklahoma, which is Elizabeth Warren. I'm sorry, I grew up in Kansas. I've never met someone from Oklahoma with less than thirty seconds, sixteen date of American blood, and everybody knows whether or not there on the dogs roles whether or not they have a card if you don't know what that means. Well, neither does Elizabeth Warren, so that's fine. But there is a common trope among rich white people in the northeast that essentially this native Americans don't exist anymore. So everybody just says, oh, the descendant of Cherokee Princess enjoyment. How show I'm sorry, that's not reality. There are lots and lots of actual native Americans in this country. They have used the Cherokee nation made those of us very clear in their repudiation of Warren and Warren being an old rich white lady from Massachusetts, who's completely out of touch stepped on that rate did. So enthusiastically and. Has has a pretty serious political black is result. So David to Luke's point that she's a lying fraud, what smarter people on the left and Twitter would say, well, look, you know, it's family lower. We all have family Lor and she believed it, and it was long as she believed it. Sincerely you guys shouldn't be calling our liar. Well, one of the problems we have here is that she her hair stories actually morphed and changed bit, which is something that I think was one aspect of this hadn't been picked up all that much because the focus was on how absurd and how hell remotely connected. Her native American ancestry was to her genealogy, so that was the focus. But the interesting thing is her actions story about why she did what she did. Yes. She's been relatively consistent on the family lawyer point, but what was what's been? I think inconsistent. And this. This is something that I think people who are not in the in the law professor profession don't really understand the magnitude of what she did. You hear words like legal directory, and it just sounds like a phone book listing, but these legal directories that she was listing herself in were the instrumental in the key document. It's that people use to do the kind of identity being counting that occurred in the in the academy. The key documents that dean's us to look for potential hiring a candidates. These were very important things that she did in her explanation initially was, will I wanted to sort of reach out and find people like me. I wanted to, which doesn't make any sense at all, even on its own terms when she explained it in twenty twelve. But then she goes on in in this big Boston Globe article earlier in the year that had said that, well, in fact, she didn't get an advantage in Harvard hiring. She tries to explain this her listing by saying we'll members of her family were dying off. And so an essence use changing a listing on a faculty directory that is directly related to sort of your job and your identity in academia in academia, not in the wider world in academia because in tribute to family members who. Were dying off. That's a, that's an interesting change in the story. And I think what she should do is just say, look, I made a mistake. I for whatever reason I put too much credence and family lore. I made a mistake. I'm sorry. In other words, just become the Richard Blumenthal of intersection -ality I wanted my ethnic background. I'm sorry about that. Let's just move on, but she's the Richard Blumenthal of intersection -ality without the apology. And that's the thing. And I think started to really drive. Some of these native American groups. Crazy was wait a minute. Why are you claiming this when it's not in the other thing that I think really rightfully upset them. It's not that it is how many drops of blood do you have in your bloodstream that being belonging to a tribe is an experience of life. It is. It is part of a life connection that is with you. Always it is not will I have a few drops of blood, therefore I can claim identity group status, and that's what. Awful lot of horrible standard. This one drop of blood standard and other circumstances for news. Great, the great discredit of its architects and its advocates also just extraordinarily silly. I mean, so my mom is big into genealogy, and she's done all family tree a long, long, long way back. And there's nothing exceptional about family tool. It was poor low middle class for most of history. But at one point, that was a four generations back. I'd have to ask there was a woman who was a scullery maid in one of the great houses of England, and she had sex with the aristocracy in the house. Now the family store is it was consensual, but who knows it was inappropriate the way and it could have been really wasn't. But anyway, they had a baby and it was all covered up and this baby I was sort of pushed back into the family. And then from then on the this aristocrat was sort of some small percentage of an decreasing percentage of everyone who came off too. But I mean. Will be competing with dick. If my parents are secrets, we actually members of the great family in England, or if they'd tried in some way to get a head using this, maybe get some of the family estate. We'll get some of the will and family member dies, and that is what she's doing. That. Different context, but that is what she's doing just on its face. It's it's really silly way of seeing yourself. So try this perfect segue to the exit question. I'll go to you first, David, French, if you had to guess right at this moment without the benefit of any DNA testing, who among the panelist on this podcast, has the most native American ancestry Charles E w cook, Luke Thompson, you yourself, David French, or me your humble host, rich Lowry. You rich clearly. Thank you. Charlie, I know I have the least I would say, who has the most? Probably you rich. Really, I'm the native American on this podcast. Luke, you could almost make this unanimous. I mean, I think this is a trick question. I really have a DNA test asleep. I did the twenty three and we thing like ten years ago. So not to sound like the sanguinary fixated Senator from Massachusetts, but. As far as I know family's been here a long time, but I don't have any American in my background, so I'm gonna go with with David, just mix it up. Yeah, I agree. I think it's David French. Charlie was was not high my list to begin with, but the fact that they've done the genealogy and you Luke have some genealogy back this up. So I'm gonna say David just because the southern heritage and background, I have some of that myself, but actually my my mom's daughter, the American revolution and she's done a lot of genealogy. So really confidence, I think David French might be the most native American of our panelists today. And with that, let me stop and tell folks a little bit about our sponsor today, which is the Bunce and group. Have you ever wondered how the people managing your money view the world? Many of us who share certain ideological than fictions about society and government would love like minded professionals involved in the management of our financial affairs, but certainly are not willing to sacrifice it investment. Fist occasion or expertise to find such people. 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Murder of Saudi journalists who wrote for the Washington Post in the counts consulate Saudi consulate in Istanbul where it's it's kind of jaw-dropping Saudis, apparently thought because she could enter the consulate. Never come out and no one would ever wonder why or or or that there wouldn't be any recordings or surveillance video of the the surrounding events. And now the the Saudis are have come up with this explanation that this was a interrogation gone awry and you have President Trump highly inclined to swell the story. What do you make of it. Well, I'll give him points for the saying, look, we were just trying torture. Kicker, we get points for candor here folks. I think that there is there is a frequent fetishes ation of the shall we say decision making flexibility to throw Teheran regimes enjoy on both sides of the aisle in the American media. Thomas Friedman has, of course been great proponent of this both in the case of the sort of bureaucratic autocracy of China and also in the. Familial court politics of Saudi Arabia under NBS, and this is a healthy reminder that when you have highly informed person, Listrik government people can make really, really bad stupid choices, and they tend to flow through into activity that's genuinely barbaric. And I even if let's let's even take for the sake of argument, the Saudis at face value, what what it seems emerging. Saudi line is going to be that they were just going to interrogate him and he had a heart attack and died, and they freaked out and disposed of the body. The fact that you would Lewer someone into your consulate under false pretenses to interrogate him is itself insane. The fact that you would do it when he was a permanent resident of United States is extremely poor judgment and above all the fact that you would do it when United States no longer is dependent upon you for oil in the way that it was during the night. The eighties nineties shows that however much Muhammed bin Salman seems to clear. For direction in his ju strategic thinking than some his predecessors media predecessor in particular. He nonetheless is not integrating that across the board into the way in which he restricts his own it from acting out policy, at least in terms of of doing things that embarrassed the United States because the fact of matters as much as the president may not want to come round to this position. If an American permanent resident can be hacked to pieces in the consulate of a a foreign government on Turkish soil than people aren't afraid of the US at nearly as much as they need to be. And so we have to stand up to this thing if for no other reason than for the on the terms that Trump seems to understand intuitively, which is strength. So David, what's what can we reasonably do? If just take a premise, maybe don't accept it that we who we need to have a really close relationship to the Saudis. How would we. Walk that that balance beam between making them suffer some consequences for this appropriate to the astonishing nature of the crime while not totally throwing them overboard. Yeah, we have a menu of options here. Americans don't actually realize how entangled we are with the Saudis. For example, since the Obama administration, we have been aerial refueling Saudi fighter jets in there bombing emissions in the in. So we have been directly not not just supporting the Saudi mission in Yemen. We have been facilitating it in the direct most direct possible way and make no mistake this Saudi bombing in Yemen. This is not like the American airstrikes in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan. This is not like Isreaeli airstrikes in Gaza, this is indiscriminate killing that. The Saudis are doing in Yemen, and we're refueling there jet. So here's one thing we could do. We get. Stop that we could stop facilitating their bombing campaign in Yemen, and if they want to bomb that nation, if they want to to wage their proxy war against Iran, they can do it with their own resources so that that's one particular menu item and it seems to be relatively low hanging fruit. But the problem we have here is. There is nothing about our history of the last in just to say to to focus rent Trump. Let's pull back the last twenty years. The last thirty years really since the Iranian revolution. And even before that to give the Saudis reason to believe that there's much of anything that they can do to cause consequence from the United States of America because this as bad as it is is not nearly as bad is the Saudis essentially funding a massive worldwide evangelistic effort around this will harvest ideology. This will hobbyist theology in Islam that has been the breeding ground for Islamic radicalism in Islam. Ick terror. I mean, the Saudis are the the principal in the Saudi government in the in in Saudis in a private capacity, giving their the principal financiers of much of this more radical Islamist revolution. You've seen a row. Around the globe. And so that's just one aspect of their toxic presence in the world scene that we have tolerated and not just tolerated. We have lavishly equipped the Saudi military and their reasons for this. It's not just, you know that every American president since Carter has taken leave of their senses. There is a threat there is a real Iranian threat, and unless we want to dramatically ramp up our own military presence in the Middle East, which it seems like there would be virtually no public appetite for what you do. You start looking for allies and you in the Middle East, aside from Israel, allies with clean hands are really, really hard to find. And so we have been in this relationship with the Saudis for a very long time as they have done all manner of terrible things not just to their own people. They do terrible things to their own people, but they export terrible ideology. They have exported, terrible violence resulted at Idei. Legiti they have done countless things that as bad as what's happened to this journalist, that in their global effect are far worse. And so they, we have given them no reason to believe that there exists lines that they cannot cross. And so what I'm going to be fascinated to see in this is something that is important to note. We actually have in some ways less strategic need of them than we used to have because of the changing oil in energy market. It will be fascinating to see if there is finally aligned here, and now I'm very skeptical very skeptical that there will be a real line drawn here now. But is there finally aligned drawn here now? And can we impose even the lowest hanging fruit kind of sanction, which would also be a humanitarian gift to the region of stopping the facilitation of this unbelievably indiscriminate bombing campaign? So look, David mentions will hob ISM. And just the the Saudi roll over the last forty years or more of really changing iteration of global Islam in a more radical direction. And this is reason why even some clear eyed people were somewhat hopeful about m. b. s. because he, he seemed to be raining in the clerics. So if the if the price is, you know, yes, he's a dictator. The way all Saudi rulers have been dictators. He's cracking down on his critics, but he's tapping down on the really most noxious element of the Saudi clarity will maybe that's a deal worth having. Well, I'm not entirely convinced that the sort of morals police, Saudi. Clarice is the source of a lot of the globalised Islamic fundamentalism. Dave is the expert here and I'll for him. But I was always under the impression that. The kind of globally. Global jihadi movement. One came much more out of the subcontinent's Ubon tradition, and second is more thoroughly integrated into forces maturity both in terms of communication in ways of living and has a has a kind of ambivalence toward the the will harvest view of of Islam. Again, not an expert and I don't want to put myself forward as one, but yeah, I, there is a tendency among at least monkey American press to say, well, if he's letting women drive and he's killing the right sorts of people, maybe this really is an Arab spring for the Kingdom. I think that was a line in the New York Times and. I would say rather that look cord politics is always core politics, and you're going to have to build a rival sources of power, both financial base of power as well as constituencies, and the fact that he's knocking down some constituent parts of Saudi of the Saudi kind of political, Connie in promoting others is good insofar as it benefits us from a policy standpoint. But I think a scribe ING kind of moral Valence to it is is one but knighted and to playing right into the propaganda views of the propaganda goals of the regime. That's not say we can't shouldn't have relations with them that we can't shouldn't have a closely connected. We're we, our policy goals, overlap, even shared operational way of doing business in the region, but like let's be clear eyed about it if he's letting women drive because it makes him more powerful secures regime. It's not because he's a claw. Liberal. So David just quickly before we run on this topic, circling back, what? What is your view? What the Saudis were thinking? He was just that they as you imply, they thought they could get away with it so when. Well, I don't. I don't want to really speculate on that too. Much of for the reason that in this is you know, not forecast my editor's pick, but Kevin, Williamson has a great piece up on today that says, look, when you're talking about internal Saudi politics, there's just an awful lot of guesswork going on in. So you know there are people responding relatively authoritatively about why this happened in in. I think that I am. I vary. I am very suspicious of a thorough -tated declarations from the United States to why this happened in. So I'm taking all of that with a grain of salt. So as far as what are the internal politics in Saudi Arabia that led them. To this point, who did it? Why do they do it on that point? I am. I'm agnostic for now, but the bottom line is the Saudi Arabia's responsible for this. The Saudi Arabia, the nation is responsible for this, and it's important for us to finally show the world and in our own people that Saudi Arabia's the junior partner in this alliance, Saudi Arabia does not dictate the terms of this alliance. Saudi Arabia in many ways is now more dependent on us than we are on Saudi Arabia that's changed energy environments, change geopolitical environment in in this kind of the h-have yer if the Trump administration just sort of accepts whatever explanation the Saudis offer presses on. That's inadequate. We have to show that there are lines here. We have to take some risks in this relationship, and we can't be in. Endlessly permissive. And that's been the problem that we've had. I mean, let's not forget the vast majority of the nine eleven hijackers even if you're not. And I'm not in any way saying this Audi government had something formal to do with nine eleven. But the vast majority of the nine eleven hijackers were Saudi were Saudis. There has been a problem in Saudi Arabia. In in in Saudi Arabia has been a source of Jihadist funding Jihadist ideology for a very, very long time. It's been a problem country in some ways, a necessary ally, but a problem country and we can't keep being permissive. So exa question to you. Luke Thompson, our relationship in the media term with Saudis will be exactly the same mildly more distant, fundamentally disrupted. David french. Because my general rule on anything to do with the Middle East is deep in boundless and utter cynicism. I'm going to say exactly the same. I believe the answer is exactly the same before we move on. Let me tell our listeners a little bit about our plus a premium subscription service on national review dot com. If you sign up for our plus, you get access to all our content, including print magazine content and metered paywall content that's exclusive to national review dot com. 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And I'll be telling everyone more about this in coming episodes, but we'll have before the election and our plus exclusive conversation with Jim Garrity that all our plus members will be invited to participate in. So Charlie, another of it hasn't quite gotten as as much attention, but we last week or so. We've seen video disturbing video of Antigua in Portland, basically patrolling the streets and abuse. Using white people and running after the car of some old guy who just didn't obey their commands to stop this car and kicking his car and personally threatening them. And then the right winger showed up. There was some fighting in the streets. Same thing happened here in New York City after speech at the metropolitan Republican club, I believe it's called where Gavin McGuinness the head of a outfit called the proud boys spoke antifa showed up the so-called proud boys beat and member of antifa up. What do you make of this simmering low level of violent background to our politics. Why I should say that I'm against them both. And the reason for that is not because I think the views held by antifa the proud boy should in some way be outlawed, but because they both rely and consciously so they both rely on violence, they. Consider violence to be a legitimate political tool. And I don't mean violence in the self defense context, which of course is sometimes the most of the time. I mean as a proactive pot of their agenda, they see fighting as a good thing and in doing so they set themselves outside of civil society and outside of what we call the social contract. It's not a good development, and I think that the both groups should be should be considered trae. One thing I would say though is, let's not, let's not cost this. Us an aberration, there are always people, and there have always been people in America and every other country who have taken this position that the system is so corrupt. So. Irredeemable they need to start fights in the street that there are certain groups that are so dangerous and so unacceptable that they need to be talk. It'd with violence if necessary. It is common to assume that our present moment is in some way set apart from history. I don't believe that is true here. That is in no way, of course to defend those two groups. As I say, both of them need to be seen for what they are, but I, I would be disappointed if we in condemning them also Hume that there was something novel about the not so Luke, I think at least a couple of us know, Gavin, mcginnis a little bit. I used to go on Red Eye on that show existed on FOX with with gallon. And I recently after the attention given to the proud boys after the fight in New York, I went and watched one of McGuinness's talks on YouTube, and I hate to say it because I think it's a rancid 'cause he represents, but he he's really talented guy and it charismatic presence. What I took away from this, this speech, it's, it really seemed to me it kind of fight club. Since ability or this this book. I love that this New Yorker editor Bill Buford wrote about soccer hooliganism in England called among the thugs. And and part of the point is, violence is exciting. Violence breaks through the dullness of everyday life. Violence is fun and more than any ideology. I think both antifa in the problem is about to that that dark side of our human nature breaking stuff is exciting and it's it's fun. Like we don't do it because it makes it implies it's atavistic. It makes possible to live as civilized people together. We allow that, but the appeal of it shouldn't be all that mysterious. Now that unique appeal, the proud boys use mysterious to me because as far as I can tell, the essentially want around talking about feminism being horrible and then requiring people recite, breakfast, cereals, while being punched during their initiations fixating. On the the rate and intensity of masturbation of their members. So as a group I have, I find them more than a little bit mysterious, but I also don't understand why t- fuss over bustling committed to not bathing and the the delightful sense of Pachulia oil. So both of these groups are clearly like comprised of of social misfits who are acting out for the sake of of of enjoying themselves and expressing some kind of psychological issue. Having said that doesn't bode well that we have streetfighting in in America. I think that what it really doesn't bode well about it. It's not so much that Ono American politics becoming violent anybody who's read history book knows the American politics has often been filing. It's quite an achievement that since the end of the Vietnam war has mostly not been violent in this country, arguably unique in this country history. What I think is a little more troubling to me is that corners of respectability are willing to import these into mainstream. During politics for the sake of of entertainment value. Keith Ellison wanders around with a copy of of some book with antibiotics, black flag on the covered say, oh, look, I'm triggering Donald Trump. Metropolitan Republican club has gotten mcginnis and his red headed. Pigeons follow along for the sake of of an evening of ribald humor, but that rebel humor included him reenacting the assassination of an unarmed man with a sword and. This isn't. What does this say about course, respectable politics that we're enjoying this. I'm not. I'm not a prude. I'm not particularly like troubled by nerds hitting each other, but I do think it says that things about us that that we wanna watch this kind of over the top stuff as an expression of our own penta political frustrations. And moreover, that we're willing to import people from Canada and the United Kingdom, no offense Charlie to provide those sorts of outlets for us jobs that Americans won't do. So David, you write a lot about tribalism. Obviously. How does this phenomenon fit into that the? Yeah, you know, I think one of the real issues here is it's not just the actual violence of the, you know, the nerd thugs of the all right, and and Antigua it's it then gets rinsed all the way through social media. So. People have rightfully pointed out that in the sixties and seventies the level of background, political violence we had was it'll it. It was astounding Lee high. You talked to someone who has no memory of born a generation. After that, you say there were hundreds of domestic bombings per year and their jaw just drops. Are you kidding me? But if you watched that level of violence to our current social media, it would be it could possibly precipitate a national, a crisis of national unity through this current environment. So what's happening is you're filtering this violence through the social media lens, and it's magnifying and it's magnifying his magnifying. I mean, heck, we're, we're in a news environment. I don't know if you guys remember this. The online world spent thirty six hours talking about guy who knocked a maga- cap of some kids head in a fast food restaurant in that. Implem- attic of political violence in Charlie's? Exactly, right. Political violence has been sort of the background noise of American democracy for some time, but rinse it through the social media context compound it with this sort of online phenomenon of nut picking which is to take an extremist or silly or stupid thing. You see from the other side and allow that to sort of stand in for what they really think and help they really feel in. You begin to see that your magnifying the problem considerably, and then the online dynamic picks up to such a point where there's actual pressure that's being placed on a democratic politicians, for example, not to back in tika, but to sort of back tactic, situated call like antiques, alight the, you know, the hounding in pursuing APL in public places. There's this, this pressure that you. With the rhetoric ramping up the nut picking the sort of ominous feeling violence that things are maybe more on the edge than they really are. But that very sense of feeling like things are more on the edge compounds. The problems I just feel like we're a little bit of an interesting environment where this this violence is being rinsed through social media magnified in too many respectable. People are at least expressing some degree of sympathy for the low end versions of in intimidation in menacing in in that, of course, I mean, it's just, you know, just too easy to say, but it's exactly right of course that contributes to negative polarization in the in the sense that the other side doesn't just want to defeat me at the valid box. They wanted beat me in the head with a bat, Charlie exa question to you in two years groups like antifa and the prod will have more or fewer. Members. More. Luke thomas. More David French more crudely more in perhaps many more so Luke before we go, let's hit one last big topic here, which is the elections and we don't have a lot of times, let's focus on the Senate. And first of all, I pop ING number came out a week or so ago to to eye-popping numbers in Texas one that Beddoe Aurora has raised more than thirty million dollars kind of presidential level money. That's one eye-popping number. The other popping number is all the polls. We've seen race recently out of Texas that have him losing by eight points or so. Yeah, Robert, Francis is not going to be the next Senator from Texas, and I'm really glad that that scam back is sucked up a whole bunch of money. What's the key? Is it just charismatic? He's good looking. No. I mean, the online left seems to have a thing for skinny, white dudes. I mean, think about all the stupid money after John also of little. Political talent. As far as I'm concerned. I mean, the guy wrote a skateboard on stage and people he'd millions of dollars. So you don't you think Bego is overrated just in terms not just of his electoral prospects in Texas, but in terms of his talents Baltics. Yeah. I mean, I get that he's pretty well Bill for social media in the sense that he's got shin, and you can clip him at a at ninety seconds or less, and he sounds okay. And you know, he seems to know the lyrics of some pop songs, but I- if anybody watched the actual interview before he went on stage with skateboard with with thrash magazine, he sounds like a complete goon. I mean, it's, he sounds like somebody who's just trying to relate to the kids and then he gets pure pressured into writing the skateboard onstage journalist, it's just I, you scratch the surface and it really find very little there. Do you think there is a consultant as talking to the other day who traces another notable. Zolt and one of these polls was that Beto is unfavorable, two points and cruises favorable, you know, nine or ten, but he traces the decline in his Beddoes favorability to the the kneeling riff. He had about a month or so ago that exploded on social media. It was praised all all sorts of plays praise in the media, all all all over the place, but might not have gone over that well in Texas released provided crews fodder. Well, I don't. I don't know that when necessarily translate directly favorability rating, I think I can see why it would. It would kind of cap, his ability rise on the ballot, but every politician plays this kind of game of trading off between the imperatives of Khun agitating base will donate, and that's especially true Democrats who have a much better culture, small dollar fundraising Republicans, but trading that off against what you need to do to win a general election. But I think it's more that just. Work has done well under scrutiny he's looked. He looked stupid in the debate against cruise the other night. I'm sorry. That's just how he came across. He had a few good lines, but on the whole, he'll shallow, including on healthcare, which was supposed to be his big line. So he he didn't look particularly prepared. He didn't look particularly smart, and it's also hard to say, you know what is a Bego right? Is he a populist lefty who wants to stick up for the working man? Or is he a sort of tax cutting, moderate, who's sexually and permissive for kind of middle class? Bourgeois. Leftists. I don't know the answer to that question. I don't think Baidoa work knows the answer that question at the end of the day, what I think is is just a brand trying to force brand and design over the finish line in the absence of ideology. And that's just not going to get the job done, especially when you need to reach across because you're in a minority party position to pull some people from the other side. It's not as simplest just thing will be a squish moderate in the middle. But have a few identifiable flags where you say, hey Republicans, I'm not with my party on this issue and you can trust me on it. I can't think of a single one of those other than I guess for Republicans, skateboarding enthusiasts that he really represents. So David, I think exhibit a of how the Senate landscape has been transformed by cavenaugh controversy or at least seemingly maybe the timing was timing was quince Quincy dental, but is just how Marsha Blackburn has rocketed to about ten point lead in Tennessee. Yeah, that is exhibit a, I think people were underestimating in the national media feel Bredesen's chances against her. He was up on her and some polls that I had seen on the polls were very, very close. People had forgotten that he was an extraordinarily popular governor in Tennessee. And when I say extrordinary, I mean he more in when he ran for reelection he more than doubled the vote total of his Republican challenger. So this was a guy who Tennessee have a very favorable impression. I mean, he brought help bring the predators to Nashville. Titans to Nashville was a president during some real economic president governor during some real economic growth in actually helped save Tennessee from Republican efforts, believe it or not to implement an income tax in the state, which is just in an anathema. So they recruited perhaps the most formidable possible candidate to run against somebody that although Marsha Blackburn is very popular in her district with not particularly popular statewide, and so I thought and I was looking at this race thinking this, this is something this could be one of these surprising upsets nationally. And then Cavanaugh happened in even though Bredesen's came out for cavenaugh, people are able to see through the fact that Bredesen's by himself was not going to be able to stop Chuck Schumer from blocking Trump's judicial picks, and that just completely transformed everything. I mean, I've seen. Pulse from ten points to fourteen points. Yes, there would have been some Republicans coming home here in the stretch run, but nothing like the transformation at this dynamic. It is. It has electrified Republicans in the state, and it's it's the kind of thing that you know in in my community and not my neighborhood. It's a collection of never-trumpers sometimes Trumpers always Trumpers. And for the first time since Trump came down the escalator, when we get together, everyone's on the same page in a about the cavenaugh situation. And I think that Marsha Blackburn has benefited immensely. I think others are Republican candidates have benefited immensely. We'll see if it holds the rest of the election season, but Democrats are fooling themselves when they look at national poll saying that Cavanaugh with does not have a tremendous rating nationally. The polls really matter on that. Are these red state polls where you have democratic a tough, democratic pickups and tough democrat. Defends. And from that perspective, I think the cavenaugh hearings have been a just a pure Bockel for the Democrats, Charlie, how do you see the landscape? I think it's changed off to covenant sets the. The. I think their whole host of potential outcomes now. I wouldn't be surprised by by much on election day. I would be surprised if Republicans Senate now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they saved it. Fifty one forty, nine. I also wouldn't be surprised if they won fifty five. It does seem that the late news has been bad for Democrats in the Senate, the cavenaugh news over all these Kristen cinema videos and leaked videos clam mccaskill. One thing I would say about Texas is it seems to me that the Texas race, the fetches is Asian of the amount of money that's been pouring in has not a great deal to do with berto and everything to do with Ted Cruz and Texas, and I write Texas is the second largest state. It's also the Republican state. It's the one that progressives hold up as the most annoying state. They are annoyed by Ted Cruz in some ways. For good reason. He can be annoying. They're annoyed by his ideology. They're annoyed by Texas and how it sees itself with the guns and the belt buckles, and the Cowboys and the everything. They hate in much the same way as as as many conservative Americans just annoyed by California, California to them is how not to do it. The people there annoy. The bay area annoys them that politicians and all them at gun laws, California, and so. It seems to me that Democrats across the country. Really want to be able to take down Ted Cruz and take down Texas because then other than just the visceral joy that will bring them, they can say, look, Trump is such bad news that the Republicans lost Texas. It would be equivalent to if a Republican could beat Dan Feinstein Kamala Harris under a democratic president, you'd say, bomber Clinton. That's so unpopular so bad. So out of step that they even lost California, can you believe it? So there's been this this conception. I think that betta will spend this money becoming president or this isn't really what he wants to be Senator from Texas. He wants to be president, and that's why has so much money off to was he's going to spend. I have to say, I'm not convinced by this. I think if he loses to cruise, it looks likely will I think he'll be dropped. I think he's a tool of the moment. I think many people have convinced themselves that he's great fig of it once he loses. I don't know. Then the all of the thrill goes out of the hunt. But overall, I think it looks pretty good for Republicans in the Senate, looks bad for them in the house, and I think looks not great for them at the state level. So exit question to you on the Senate anywhere the number of Republican senators will be. Feeling very bullish right now. I'm going to say we'll go up to fifty three fifty three fifty fifty three fifty three and a half Senator. Money, money, money line on this. So you can take an over under David. French number will be fifty four. I'm feel in that that prediction may come back to haunt me, but I'm feeling bullish also fifty four, Charlie fifty three. I'm with David. I'm on the Optima stick end of the scale fifty four. So you average it out and it's fifty three and a half year end. So let's hit a few other quick things. Before we go, Charlie, you've been watching Jack Ryan and Amazon prime. I have. I haven't watched much TV recently, and we chose this because we thought it would be mindless something we can just on in the background. You don't particularly need to follow it. Explosions guns, all of that. But actually it's pretty good. I mean, the anything I'd heard about it before I went in was really annoy progressives because it was too jingoistic, but I don't know why genuinely watching it. Yes, it says story about the CIA and a story about America in the Middle East, but it seems to me quite nuanced quite well done. It lacks laxative, blunt edges of a lot of television in the past many halfway through. So maybe it gets more and more raw America, but setting recommended and David, you can't wait for the NBA season. The best time of the year. When you have the NBA starting, you've got college football and the NFL going. This is going to be very, very interesting season. You've had teams that have tried to restock and reload to take on the warriors. There's rumors this might be Kevin Durant last season in Golden State that he might be having his eyes set on the Big Apple actually to try to revive the Knicks. There's going to be a lot of intrigue here that you have the, you have the Darth Vader. You have the empire of the NBA that everyone's going to be aiming aiming towards. They're, they're kind of an exhausted team trying to get to the finals for the fifth consecutive year, which is a really hard thing to do. So there's a lot of interesting story lines and then look, I mean, I'm just a huge fan of the game. If you, I keep hearing a lot of folks for my generation and older who say why I tuned out the NBA and I'll say, when did you do that? I don't know about nineteen hundred and because the stereotype of a sport where people don't really try until the fourth quarter, they don't really try into the playoffs in the game has changed. It is it is a high energy game even in the dog days of January, and it's a fun game to watch. So I am. I'm very excited for this season. Luke Yuban enjoying wolf -ust. My mother is in town visiting my mother is an enthusiastic gator, and she is headed up to rhinebeck New York with her with a bunch of friends this weekend to critically assess the quality of various hooved animals in terms of what can be converted into sweaters. And so under under pressure from her this morning and last night at dinner, she. She forced me to say that my my light item was going to be the sheep and wool. Tickets or twelve dollars dwarf reading interested. I've been. I've been focused on how sappy and inferior new children's books are compared to the classics. I was struck by this. We've been reading bar lately and bar. He's he's rousted from the jungle, and he goes to civilization and learn how to drive a car and dress properly and have an ice tea. And then there's this other book that we happen to have. Someone gave us called, I think it's it's Mr.. Tiger goes wild in the exact opposite scenario. He lives in a city with with other animals where they all dress properly and know how to behave. And then he decides he has to throw that all all sides and go find his his true self in the jungle. And you know the the also these episodes in the old classics that they do make you win. So little bit, I mean, bar leaves the jungle because his hunter comes in and shoots his mother. I think it is. And every time we look at that page, like we really wanna. Focus on this, but kind of having that adds ads. You know element true-to-life and is much much just makes a much better story. Then the more more sentimental touchy feely stories you get today with that. Let's go to our editor's picks Luke, what's your pick? So I'm thinking a quick reminder that Jona row yesterday, pointing out as much as this native American ancestry roll out for Warren appears to that fire in its execution, her strategy of beating Donald Trump into attacking her was probably a sound strategy from democratic primary Stampa David. What's your pick. It's Kevin today writing about Saudi Arabia in it's sort of a refreshing of splash water in the face for all of those who are pining about what definitely happened, what definitely the motives were, and it just reminded me as sort of walking through all the complexities of Saudi society and the recent history of Saudi politics. It reminded me of just this one little slice. We were in in Iraq when I was there in seven, eight. And we had this this board up in our headquarters. That was all of the tribal chiefs. And all of the, you know, the tribal the shakes. I should say the tribal leaders in the area, the government leaders and we had little pieces. Kind of like one of those conspiracy theory boards you see on on TV shows where you've got the the lines drawn from person to person in it turns into a spider web interesting, credible complexity of the relationships of the various leaders and tribes in our. Little corner of Iraq illustrated in a microcosm just to how incredibly complex chant. The challenges of the Middle East are in Kevin raised a really good point that we are really good at using tech to track, say movements of ships or track when a weapons test is going to go off. We are really dependent, however, on human intelligence to figure out the human dynamics in. I'm not sure that we have the right level of human intelligence to make the right kinds of decisions in in not just in Saudi Arabia, but in many, many contexts. Charlie, what's your pick? I also picking Joanna piece. It was Jonas piece on the Senate. Jonah pushes back against those who say that it's undemocratic. I think he must've listened to last week's at it is because he puts Luke in that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I think I think it was what Luke's on the on the puck gentlemen's two main points. One is that this is of course what progressives do. They just pick whatever institution is not working for them at any given point and say, it's now a legitimate, but also that as we discussed last week, seeing the Senate as democratic or undemocratic misses the point, democratic and undemocratic is not really the the question. The question is whether it is a good thing or about thing that we represent and. Venerate states within our system Jona things we should ask do I? He also points out that if Californians do not, then they always free to split up their state into three, four or maybe more. My pick is all two hundred sixteen pieces. We ran on the Cavanaugh controversy after the Christine blazey Ford allegations broke. And I mentioned these as shameless way to plug our fundraising drive. We have currently going on national review dot com has been going great guns, but still short of our target. And I just urge you if you predated that coverage to please, I posted something on this currently on the site scroll through all those all those pieces, think about what they were worth to you, what they're worth 'cause and pitch in to our fundraising drive. So that's it for us. You've been listening to a national review podcast rebroadcast re transmission or account of this game without the express written permission of national you. Magazine is strictly prohibited. Podcast has been produced by the incomparable Sarah Schutte who makes us sound better than we deserve. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, David. Thank you. Luke. Thanks to the bonds in group, our sponsor this week. Thanks. Especially to all of you for listening. We're the editors and see you next time.

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While you know I have been yearning for a salad because I was in Thailand for the last week and it's recommended to not get leafy Greens because of water situations and the only reason why I mentioned that is the Segue into below deck which is also in Thailand as we speak. Yep there in Thailand a lot of people barking. You know many reasons I also I have to say I WANNA I wanna Pat Myself on the back or at least in the gastrointestinal tracts because I survive Thailand with no problems I made it through and I had I had fun stuff too so there you go else like did anybody else get massive stomach issues. Choose the only issue was our friend Jenny. WHO's with me? She actually got a heat stroke in Bangkok. Because it's like a thousand degrees but no one that I know I. I think one person had like an afternoon of unpleasantness but we all we did great. We did so well. While that's really good congrats shocked. I was really scared. The first day I was so conservative with everything I was like because I of course made the mistake of reading an article about like how to eat food in Thailand and not get sick. And it's like I. If you noticed anyone who wipes their nose. You probably want to stay away from that food stall and if this person does that stay away from that and be way of condiments admits is all these things so I was just totally paranoid and I was like staring at every software like ten minutes inspecting it before may be considered eating something then I was like you know what you have to live a little bit. Yeah Yeah exactly. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa just sit on this toilet seat in this public place now. Oh Oh lord and Party over there. I will tell more details about the Thailand vacation probably on a future bonus episode and you can talk about fun stuff to happen in Mexico but for for now we'll talk about Thailand vis-a-vis below deck which Opens up with actually appropriately to what we're we're discussing abby puking all over the place because if you remember from last week she she partied too hard puke hat and then end up puking you king and saying like sorry. I'm just not going to be available to work at nine. AM which is a pretty bold thing to text out. Yeah and her thing is you know. Look we've all had. I had to go to work when we're barking. And it's not fun but I just like cassie phrase it. Because he's like I don't know if I'll be on time because I needed toy nearby babe you're and you're in an ocean like your American entering the notion America treats the ocean like it's a toilet so just you literally cleaning surfaces that there's an accident like you through literally you're literally holding a mop if you're at work okay. You're going to be fine. Yeah I mean I just had something. Had A flashback to Blowback Med this season when I I literally heard your brain go click McHugh just it was like like an old Rolodex under your desk. You know like a carousel started playing. I was famous for Madman Carousel Carousel. It's your life. But yeah that one do remember he went and he puked right off the rail l. and then he actually done a cameraman but the point is as people puke on those X.. All the time so puka way just just clean it up. The other built Buke on the so. Yeah so Ashton's mad hurry he's like let's be honest. I might be able to take on. So he's really we mad and then they just keep cutting to abby as he talks about how matt he is and she's just like sitting in bed looking at her time you'll porthole. It's like orange. Is the new black units. Just like she's a a solitary just sitting there are water sadly yeah and ashes just getting so mad and meanwhile down in the Galley Kate. Eight is trying to gossip with courtney a little bit because also that night before when they were all drinking courtney and Bryan Bryan flirting with Courtney. Some more and so kids like hunt Hum Kearney. Did I know this last night that you and Brian kind of you know. And she makes us look like into each other. And you maybe maybe open to that and coordinate Courtney's like no. Why would I ever gave like really young? Like he has a good body by like I care more about a good personality like on the Seafood Rating. He's like maybe like a small saucer. Not a tower. If you know what I'm saying I'm I'm not buying this from Courtney at all I really care about a guy. Spur okay really do you. Then go ahead and ugly person. I'd love to see that But you're not going to. You're going to date the hot guy with Jim selfies. Okay so stock act. We also fancied. You're so you're so intellectual about it you're not. You're just playing harder to get the Yes we I. Now I have to tell courtney thing so. This is another Thailand thing but it ties into ties into this. So in Thailand highland doesn't have restaurant and there's like giant prehistoric lizard walk by it was like the size of a dog. It was it was crazy and so I put it on instagram. I'm and I was like what is this. And Courtney from this show actually wrote to me and she goes. It's like WanNa and I was like I love. I imagine ah just said she was GonNa die just imagine are looking like he doesn't even know what it was really sweet actually but I just I just love the idea that she was getting mad about it. Go on I wanNA like I wanNA maybe look it up and I WANNA or WANNA GO WANNA. I don't know what that is like. I have a lot to learn Well because of course general general there's this whole like genre of lizards called monitor lizards which are huge and apparently on ever lizards how. `Bout you stop staring get me okay. Government it's like a little Alexa inside of a lizard. This just listening to everything you do. I know what like what what a boring name for Lizard like Monitor Blizzard. All right do you have a hall. Pass Yeah Walking jungle. Excuse me but left. Let them check. You should be in classes sir so you can look back the other way and Mr Tiger. Yeah right this time is for bathroom keyed Lizard Okay. So but the thing is that Yeah so the monitor lizards or just like apparently everywhere which I do not know until saw one and And go on as our type type of monitor Lizard that are also in Australia. Say about that mid for Lizard where wouldn't education. So Courtney it up now. Now I'm already. I've learned if you saw the video you'd be like what if I look crazy like I come from the Desert Van van. I'm a desert child. I've seen many lizards as big as dogs. I'm sending you the video now just to go on a walking the walk into the water I'm sending it to you. I don't care okay. Are you texting it or you send to get my emails. I'm in Texas you. I'm looking I'm staring at my tax. They hold on hold on everyone. I know this is the world stopped. Everything okay. Where's the Guano there? It is okay here. I'm sending it and now Kawana is. Okay come on come on in a net. I'm waiting to go on a big time so while while you're waiting for it to come through go on. I think the reason why it's skuld. Go on one theory. Is I think that like people thought they were iguanas. Iguana can go on or something like that. Well I was just asking because I used to work at the Iguana Grill changed my life. Is that in Florida Austin from. I lived in a long time ago. I used to work at my uncle's restaurant. Da Quanta on Lakeway Lake sexy unique. Iguana Unique Iguana My uncle would just walk around dressed in pink link with like a little Iguana on his arm. Okay so let's see so courtney's like yeah. I'm I'm lacking has body. I'm really in depth paths paths personality and to try to iron. And she's like I'm like God. This aren't isn't even on she goes. I honestly. Don't even know if this is on like it's not at all like the iron chose not to beyond lights. Are you GONNA try to iron such a good added. It's like all I really care about a person's character and I don't know how to use an iron so jogiat judge yet so abby. Meanwhile abby is still like coughing in her room and doing like a discussing Fleming cough and like applying face cream and stuff and so she comes out of her room and people basically like. You should apologized. August Ashton sick so she sees Ashton she goes. Hey I'm so sorry I just got up at eight thirty and then I threw up and I was like under half an hour. You tell your boss. Yeah it's smart but you know Ashton's like I was just trying to fuck you last night so it's like a different in kind of professionalism over on this so absence like Whale everybody gather rant give rant near. Listen I've been pretty lenient with not and if you can't keep if you can't keep up with anyone else when you drink in the twin you need to manage yourself and say listen needs to tell him to go to bed with my boss. False on abundant paid right professionalism only professionalism on my babe time there's a time for for bunny head and there's the time for getting listed and if you're going to not show because you got wasted that's unacceptable but if you're not gonNA show up 'cause slept a bunny pad that's understandable. Yes and it's like well he's got a point. Give me scolding rules. You reels. In general I not my forte sailboat. Person itself pay said yes also keep in mind that she was going to go into law now. I mean thankfully. It didn't work out because I don't think she'd be a very good lawyer. Say See wouldn't be. She always have that judge. He's like Ma'am you are about to be held in contempt of court. But she would well if you actually if you look at her she does look like a TV lawyer. Though right I can totally a little business. Suit like walking king like into the courtroom and then the judge says that like one more word out of you miss lawyer and we're going to throw you in contempt of court jail and she just look look flummoxed and then the next scene she's complaining to her co workers about how hard it like like she just wants to do good in this world and then she'll have seen where she's with someone like on death row and she's like believes leads them and get them off like I can see her being that she could be in that new lawyer show my parents watch it. Only resigned fan lawyer shows. Don't leave being alone. WanNa go over there like Fox News lawyer shows and doctor shows so one of the new lawyer shows is like do gooder lawyers quit taking Dan Corporation. Bra Ah yes. It's like some do-gooder do-gooder show and she could do that. She'd be seen. Here's what I'm saying. Those corporations in skilled people are smoking. I'm exhausted. I'm taking a map because I'm from a sailboat so recess I request to recess. I'm sorry your honor. I know that our court date was for nine. Am but I was puking. And I just needed another half hour and I know you might be thinking very unprofessional but to be fair I thought I was appearing on night court not a CBS procedure. I have to say I I feel like we've been robbed a really good story of. I'm 'cause this is when Kate Finds Kate and she gets que. Creo que crew croquet crew. Did they have a repairman here. Also I needed more about that. Baffled repair bad I thought it was gonNA be like a huge story and then they're just like we fixed it then. I know because of last last week it was like it's a long slow expensive hypnotic exotic erratic repair Okay it's fixed K Kevin Ashton preference sheet meeting Goddamn at all right. Welcome cruze number three dinner cruise number. Three Ronnie's going to be seeing a proud Mary here. He comes up the Brownie pitcher ditch down. Goddamn here singing waiter. I'm right down. Our next primary guest does not have a name. Some of your the pull two words out of a hat and will say that. That's her name. Okay and her name is McCall. Sing Sing's thank. You should not go on a boat if your last name to sink overseas bad luck and be you know this is going to be a basic. Be because surnamed McCall. That's like the most boring magazine any anyone in my family ever subscribed to. I just like you truly cannot tell which is the first name with the last night I am. I reading it correctly. Like is is like I'm like well. It seems like McCullough's her first name but then sink isn't really a last name. But then in sync as a first names. Even Stranger McCall sink and it sounds like one of those names that could be made up. But then you're like why. Why would you? It's just a brand colour. Like oh like here's lady Koehler. And her friend McCall sank. Yeah you'd better get him account sink okay so she moved past in a couple of years ago. I don't know why that's on your why that's on your list of things to know about yourself. Nobody Carris Harris kept captain. Lee saying that warrant. Everyone's like so y. If you see a bunch of people were drunk start yelling Yankees suck now you know y past couple of years ago. Also she single addicted to chartering boats and she's bring a group of girlfriends did McCall. Fill this out Herself I feel like everyone else is preference. Sheet is like I like beer and I hate fish or whatever. She likes long sunsets not necessarily barely walk. She Loves Sunset Love Sandwich Beneath tells but not in our house. McCall sink she. She hates leaving being She hates leaving dishes in the Joanna. Oh I see what happened to your sink Joanna for sink. That's all the clerical error Comes on right now. Do you guys have a bunch of stuff flying around the House that you just don't use you know the kind of thing kids baseball. I'm glad that no longer fit a pair of jeans. That was only worn once. I mean he doesn't have an old phone hiding in a drawer somewhere. Well let me tell you guys about an APP you can use to sell stuff. It's called called mccaren Makarios. The selling that makes it fast and easy to sell almost anything it can be simpler. You take a few of your staff you added description and Ben Your your item is listed then once it sold macari emails you a shipping label and you just stick it on and send it off. No meet ups no hassles so just you know. 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No interest Maybe that trapezoidal or the north like those. The Hexagon gone thing that they put out every night. Like No. You definitely you definitely. You wouldn't do that stuff but you definitely be the weddings like God. They're going to take on the tender into the city. And then you you have people walking around the city to one that would have people like holding those giant like like the each one hunts holding two pictures and each arm and having to cook up a big thing. I think it's just a little bit longer. He is off on that front. Yeah but I would not require a beach picnic like I don't need a beachside picnic now how yeah you'd want you'd be you'd be your fucking Yelp in the middle of the ocean like founder found a yeah a reef with a good Type Japan tie on trade. That is actually exactly what I was doing. Lake not so long ago There's no yelp in Thailand. Apparently there's no yelp anywhere in the US anymore But so you have to rely on trip advisor which is real scary when you're like leading up restaurants because it's always is like Pam who just learned what facebook was saying. Oh you know I went to this wonderful restaurant. It was right there in the main drag had an amazing Burger and fries and like Oh God oh God pam her amazing Burger and fries Seattle. I thought AWW review in order to get like a discount so of course filled it out and I want my mom yeah. New York's important don't never trust to pay them so the the captain announces it's just going to be a tasting menu and I get to have that on ninety. You know it's GonNa be great to eat this time Kevin that'd be great and You know WorldCom will work on PRESENTATIONAL BET and Heaven's like so as the presentational Roy of the latest meal wasn't impressed by aunt. Yeah you know what. I'm impressed by ice cream. There's been dehydrated and send a space all right now. I know I I know. I can't expect expect the worldly a kid making effort about that. I mean in some ways. I was very impressed with your presentation because I swear to God. I've never seen a plate of invisible food before I don't know how you pull that off. Invisible can't fish mad at something that really there really is something and you can just see Kevin reliving living his childhood with Captain Lee Yearning for his father's approval. He's like that. I stole your car at the draw. I even noticed that day. I made a cheesecake July. To try it. Did you use recall cream cheese cream cheese and it's not right and I'm throwing it against the wall but dotty Goto your cave. And he's like well I'll think of his captain Lee off the other way instead of the feed right is only retaliation. Taliation is a he. Hit me where it had like. Oh grow up you fucking baby. Everyone says such a fucking baby this year. Stop here. Yep Okay you're old you're bald Wald okay. You don't get to cry about your father anymore. It's over you know what these people when they come they should be sitting. There are new should be blowing their their socks off like literally they should be sitting there in their underwear because you blew their socks off and their socks happened to be attached their pants and shirts and other pieces the minus the underwear ask. You don't want an honest answer. I'm not the guy they ask one. Ask anything else. Anything at all Anne thing the eloping daddy get the cream cheese lover get the hell out of here. Hey workout is try me again again. All right what a bear to recall in cruces bland nat good enough Damon Mr Dobson. Don't Entente Entente Anton huge story line coming to an end everybody ready. The davits fixed all right moving locate. Franks people it calls. Random people since high davits fixed and just hangs up let highs your. It's raider running. Well Wiesner Davick avid fixed. You know what that that only makes sense to me but it was worth it. Can I interest you in a credit card. Just kidding davits habits fishing nets. She doesn't even laugh afterwards. Just hangs up the phone on DOC. Okay so tanner and abby hair Scrubbing something and then. Kate comes out and she's like. Do you have a ladder marrow. You Tanner Oh my God tantamount tantamount to lighters wow and so she goes inside and ten is like Whoa. Yeah that was so awkward with cave right so awkward now. This is awkward for a minor. You have yeah. I didn't understand that either. He's like you know his plan. I've done everything everything I can do. You know my whole thing is I like to plant seeds right so plant seeds mentally because I wanna fuck you know but like the seeds I plan to grow garden. This garden died. So so you know at this point is WanNa fucker. Yeah yeah the real mice he was gay. Yeah I didn't mean it anyway. Just wanted to fuck So then abby he is in the mass and you hear loop and then she looks at the tax. She goes Kale hit. Hey Babe Ape. How's it going? She was cute cute with Patrick. I've been even stupid thinking he's just my fuck buddy in reality. We have something special back. Thank being around this many. Hawkeye's that I mean really. I really trying that hard with me and he has made me realize Oh shit. I'm not attracted anyone else also have thrown up on all of themselves. Yeah I'm I'm just going to go back to the sale about sailed out so you heard it here first abby and and Patrick engaged by default. Yeah it didn't seem like that it's like well you know. I wanted to play the field then. I realized that it's not really that that fans I'm just GonNa go fight the guy who sail boat. Yeah so she's So then she adds three pacing around the boat. And then she encounters simone the coroner who are in the kitchen and guess what guys I got engaged night. And Courtney Lee Action. uh-huh smile 'cause she's already like doing like she doesn't even care in the first place like advocate of said. I have great news. I just found out that I'm the error to you. Know a dynasty and who's Pakistan and like I'm I I have thousands of dollars millions of dollars to my name and I'm buying for everyone and Courtney's thought I really don't uncaring. Now I just would rather just look at my instagram. But she hasn't like open face smile like this the sound of her on the floor. It's like a fake cheerleaders. File is hilarious and she just like. Yes she's like. I know that if I collapsed the smile right now. I'm just going to give her the biggest thing face so I just had to have his big open smile right now. Hold it for about thirty so bitchy. Because she never smiles. So it's like it's like it's it's a very aggressive move on her. Says she just sits there with her jaw. Wide Open ares inhaling judgment uh-huh yeah inhaled judgment xl judgment exactly So obvious like yeah. He's Eddie let me the first time via tax and I was like. Yeah you too. And then here's like you WANNA marry amy. And as I okay and Courtney is like oh I'm so happy for you is like getting engaged on text a guy you've been with two years telling you he loves you via text y'All my eyes are rolling all the way out this about the shower rolling really fast. I didn't get to finish my sentence. I'm so happy for you. The you have such low standards for yourself must be so easy going through life that way. Yeah then the secret to being happy is just not to really understand sadness. I write so everyone's I can. I can I. And so every in cater talking and abby comes then she's like sal yet. The Greek captain is coming to Boston. After I leave and and he's GonNa marry me he's like shut Site Yeah Yeah no seriously shut up. Are you telling me a story right now on trying to go to AH shut up. Have you ever been to fall asleep. And then you really bacon by like raggedy doll. That's what this is like for me. This is the saddest thing I've heard all day. I literally heard someone say I've pooped and it won't go down the toilet kate. Will you help me. So you're giving me even even a worse experience than that. Thanks a lot looser this. This is the saddest thing of all day and I literally have been posting on my social media that a Davidoff Abbas fixed like money is so cute. It's not like hey look at me. I'm such a great proposer. You know it's like Hey Wanna get dinner later maybe like spend the rest of your life with me so Kevin gets a call from his sister and he's like hi main and so he started now. Now we see we've really see Kevin's whole childhood right like he's really doing a good job to get because he's like. Yeah the things work great but on feeling emotional. You know. 'cause I kept it's in Ham on food was and he said you're not so much and this way say something it's Charles Shaft. Expect him to stay ran. No Meinie way. A lot of people would have been like fuck you good luck with the next charter. And his sister's like Oh my God. You're not quitting another job. If you shop on might source step. I'm not opening the door. You fucking pussy okay. Yeah she's like gently the trees in the bull in the. We've what you're doing so that accent the street eaten will deem so now. It's the morning. I'm sure kate is going crazy. Like waiting to have like come face-to-face according to like. I'm I got here about. Oh my God right Oh my God. It's so ridiculous. Hey that was second engagement extravaganza towers towers of Stupidity Ability Taras disappointment. So it's so in the morning Kevin has a new he. He has a new attitude. He's going to do a ten course meal if the women and really show everyone. What's going on? Yeah he's like I'm GonNa Really Lean Prestige Gifting Dot Smith Fuck off like you can't even commit to it for like five seconds Santana is now sack. Everyone's just taking turns getting the poops and the bars. So Tanner's narrowly sick and he's says Jiminy cricket a lot in Barth wrote Jiminy cricket. I feel like Shit. which was the original original line of Dialogue From Pinocchio? Actually when Duncan was like Jimmy Cricket I feel like Shit What am I don T. Now Pinocchio when he becomes a real boy he just immediately gets shits Kimmy so what you wanted. Guess what swear e but real boys get diarrhea K.. You didn't know this puppet habit but guess what you're not a puppet anymore. Boy In boy has to poop Gay K.. Chimney Creek Ramona is the new jiminy cricket. They just give you some advice. Cake damp meets use social. Lose A job. Get Bennett debt that that sorry. WHOA I hurt? It's not nice to say Japan anymore. Notes Not Japan now. Never Mind Ramona. Listen I met you Dacha Lotto and I sent you not as good as ice cream said said sorry bright my favorite pastas Japan. Okay when you wish upon a star doesn't matter where you off because when you wish upon a Staw Mareo comes back to you carry but which is France so Ashton is having a meeting with the crew. He's like always already dismay sheet. And obviously I guess what I got a text from my Greek Bud We're GONNA get married. I said share some. I'm getting married. And he's like Are you serious right. Main spent them northern the bony pad joined hook up with her. Now she's engaged. It's sort of a sort of weird. He goes levite changes things so they're all going through provision and staff and kick kick us. WHO's this beef tongue? I thought it was a bag which no one needs your beef. Todd put it away. Okay Yeah I mean. I don't care about talking I I enjoy it but I agree. I ENJ- I just would've liked K.. To actually like made like a little sandwich. I like turns out this is actually beef tongue in. They haven't Jesus from sort of So Uh Tanner still sick. Kevin's making Yoki. which you know I the he keeps doing things that make me like him? which is weird because I should like it did not looking for and he calls it Nakae? I guess people do. I would send Yoki but who cares you say it. It all eats the Saints Delicious K So she's he's like Oh you're making now from scratch while this changes everything and he's like what does that mean. What does that mean? It means I'm going to eat a lot of at a cane name and he goes. Don't freak out Mr Dobson. As his thing he reversed himself a lot. It's most definitely not the voice choice of his father coming through the himself. Yeah thirty minute fill shout time kids so now the captain is just GonNa Stop Kevin and it's hilarious. He won't leave the kitchen he just keeps coming back in like so hang on in here. God damnit APP failure i. I'll take that one out. Good job up academic tried to get you. There didn't get you but have you finish your homework because your mother and I are already disappointed you listen I'm divorced and your mother and it's it's the fault of this Miyake's all right. I would be around more but you are so stressful to raise. I think I would spend most of my life in the kitchen. So Oh that's where I'll be away from you and I think it's your fault but if you'd like to interpret it that way that'd be pretty cool So let's meet the guests here. They come down the dock. Knock and wow. They're a doozy and they're my favorite kind of guests who just sound like a late night talk show do do. They are cheering and like everyone. Everyone's like laughing as the woman approach. And then it cuts to courtney just looking at them like I wrote Courtney hateful luck. tuck according hates them to go on. Oh and the captain thank we get away the Harry so are they are they come on. They seem really nice. But you know they're basically that group of girls that the nickel machines at Vegas like way too drunk but it's like they think they're saving in bunny by being wasted nickel machine like three of them are wearing veils. You know young males. Yeah pretty much there is. There are girls so you know they're they're they're they're drunk. They're having a good time and they're like Oh my God. Let's jump on the bed at one girl gets in the bed to jump on it and just like Bonk's or head on the ceiling literally be the first thing I did when I went on a cruise. Hit My head. Yeah those are girls. So they're taking the the two were they've got a ton of bags and kick us so they dis This is where we're going to eat and hit. Look you know what. Here's some glasses of champagne so now we can get this party. Started only just scream boo for another hour. Yup Pretty much a one in girl goes I WANNA get wet. I was like okay. Yeah they're so that yeah so then. tanner is still struggling with his with the soups. And then Kevin No Kevin. Does this a lot. And it's getting really annoying. Is he kind of like takes things to a place. Where like las topic of his New York? And it's like I always think about making yorkie naked with a sexy lady and just relaxing it announcing of Captain Lee. Saying it's not good enough. I like I don't want to think of you with like cooking Yoki naked and like your chest hair falling into it's just not. Yeah anyone who's ever made Yorkie before it knows that that's not just something you cook naked the new Pov `tatoes you boiled potatoes. You roll mashed potatoes so you dry them out you put them through a rice. Are you. Add it's a long process utilit- make out of it is. Yeah Yeah because it will make those snakes. It's not something you just like whip together Dake Edd for someone on your couch. I don't know what is the sexy thing to make while naked. I I just don't think Nokia maybe eating it but like making it as sexy to order a pizza like that's what's sexy I don't you don't need to be cooking. Make it So Oh CATES Excel pan-fried. Mielke Dan. Because he's doing it in the fire which is not the correct way to really do it But let it looked delicious. I have to say we'll have that any day of the week. I know I was like I wanNA make that So then Ashton asked the ladies that they won't toys and he walks away and there's one girl goes. Let me tell you something I would tear that share up I love. She got at scum hop that it costs to. Kate walked away going so Chris. So then Aston Austin abby. ABM come on the platform the tram Blah Blah Blah and average like Hey ladies yet look at those mountains. They looked like a shift yet. That's right. I'm from Boston to lick my first of all by way. So that that island Undis- is like the most famous island. I think in in that area the things that I learned okay but it went away on vacation. Learn all these things that's called James Bond Oil okay so just funny that they were like what is that when it's like the most famous thing also and actually if you look at the opening credit below diet you'll see of the island that's in the middle of the the opening of the logo but also when she said Yeah. I'm actually from Boston the way those women's screamed cracked me up. I had to rewind. Watch Gotcha five times. Because they don't they are like is like the most deep guttural like their souls just became so happy moment flipping over cars in the street. It was amazing so Ashton's getting mad he's like what does she do the cheating what she's is nothing else to do. Getting married to some Greek God road acted aid. Coli still doesn't like me like he's getting super bitter. Yes and Brian Round picks up on it. He's like I think they're coming down hard on the visit the engagment because I think that he's pretty jealous. You know what I'm saying but I think Ashton has a point because she he probably has become super distracted when she became engaged because then she thought probably one she became engaged. She was very happy and be was already turned to think i. I'm going to be engaged. Why am I wasting time on this boat? I want to be with my fiance. So she's already checked out. I mean yeah. She checked out two weeks ago so so basically playing around with the guests and staff and he's getting frustrated so then we cut to my favorite simone doing laundry so can't come down it's thing hi. Hi How's it down. Here in solitary he ready to get out of the laundry hole. I can Tau Gay all finish and by finish. I mean stare at the Dryer. Go round around until you get back. Okay so go help. Courtney open their mouth really Biden. Judge things you can learn a lot from what it is let. Her teacher chose the trade but it just involves a lot of like bulging eyes and look great fun the the ladies. Let's jump after ballot last. John Tanner Spar Fang. I brought ladies jump music. Stop McCall is just at whatever just making up my own show I just killed McCall McCall. Think no think. Now her name is McCall sank. McCall's sank so so Kevin and kate are going over the junior in your der Menu for the ten courses. And he's being a real dick because basically corneas Molin are talking nearby. And he's like ladies. Can we have a little bitcoin. Yam Kamrul trying to focus year loudly. Data which is like. I can't see when people do that so he's barking at them and just like going on about this menu kids like yeah sounds great. Oh that's good all right. Great Okay you writing down everything. But you know she's just like doing doodles or like writing things like DAB. It is fixed. I Hate Davos I hate you I hate you I hate you please too high today these fix it at it so he's like do you think that's our here's what I'm GonNa not only GonNa do a bloody mix bloody mary mix but it's going to be Jello that's GONNA stop the meal okay and then Tempur Prom than a lamb then in seep dense obey the entitles then a finish that good and she goes no no no no chance good ten strong dense strong. Yeah Yeah So. Now it's time and then the cooking is in full swing. And he has Kevin's made some sort of garnish for the soup and goes high. Look at this looks Nice. Doesn't it imagine in your sleep and Kate goes I can't we. I'm very quickly to every meal and this is a roller coaster of Kevin Zico. Kate this is Kevin a British all on it so then meanwhile down in the laundry room. Corny is in laundry hells. She's like whose pants are the he's like. How does someone even remember? Everyone's pant size this for laundry already for my ex-boyfriend did my laundry didn't do laundry. So then a tanner checks in with abby. And she's like I haven't had one break today and I've been the sex. I can't get used their salvo. We have like a paddleboard inflatable at it. Stays that way like here. We defied that we inflated that we put Champlin. Is this juggle jammed up. Well the difference is that you're on a yacht not a sailing boat okay. So that's the difference France. Okay so that's why you don't have just like one little paddle board. I mean. She acts like she didn't know what she was getting in. She did not know what she was getting into. I just I feel like it's like like a not very interesting. Observation would be like Whoa. This is so much more work than a sailboat. Dot every every fucking time seems like a lady who bred horses in the eighteen hundreds when cars came out. You know she's like Oh whatever happened. Horth is like okay get over over it. Okay Motors happened. You're going to survive this. Just stick with it just roll with it. Yeah so yeah. So then uh so. Ashton basically comes by and dislike all right so after. Everyone's done this You can you can knock off brew. which only mentioned because Broussard's make a big a big comeback this episode? I mean we had a lot last episode but this episode was like from this point on it was like everything was like all right. How do you feel brew brew? I'm just WanNa talk to brew so the captain's down there looking at Kevin work or watching Kevin Work and he's tapped tonight loser I mean. How're things going chef? And he's like well. I'm doing a few things. Yeah figured that one out can't believe I've sent you bet spending thirty thousand dollars a year at a school for you to tell me that you're doing a lot of things when you've got a lot of things out there. Yeah real smart all right so this soup is called. You've disappointed your mother mother and she's never going to. He'll go. Sounds good. Sounds great sounds perfectly mediocre. Can't wait for them to taste that one ten courses. That's a tough one that's a big Bite of the apple which meant that someone got eat. Something don't know what that's like. It's a big bite of that apple. God bless New York City city. I'll tell you that much. He's like well. This is a bloody Mary. Mix Jail Ball. Now it's like By the open with that one with captain Lee just put the giant pieces of meat and potatoes on a plate. Just count the plates right. Let's just start right there. Yeah because Kevin's like when did kept him becomes so interested in viewed gets like. I think when you decide to make ten amazing courses you did do ten right. The numbers are a little bit of a challenge for you right. Gee Probably disappoint your father many times right with your inability to do basic fundamental math. Right right so they start to serve the food that the ladies and they're having their carrots interest soup and one of the ladies is Salty Mattie and they just start laughing I love a good group of basic girls. Yeah and so So I started writing courses initially and then I just stopped by start off after that that bloody mary dressing thing that soup and then a homemade brioche gras in a lamb loin and then there's like a Taco thing and Kevin's like and that's what you call a Taco breathe strong use Abreu way to drive home the TACO point with a good brew to follow it. Yeah so then obvious on on the phone with her fiance is the most. It's like the notebook so she's like my eyes so we're GONNA get married. He's like yeah. I'm very happy to marry you. It's like yeah. We'll sell away and Mike if we get divorced. Like it'll just be a break-up we'll be like oh wow yeah if we get divorced it'll just be a break up and and it was nice and he's like and if we get a divorce in how many years whatever months days those will be the best years or days yes absolutely so then we go to Teresa King Mushrooms. What did I write that? Oh because that's the next dish is Theresa so with King Mushrooms and someone's Voice Mushroom Courtney's like I thought they were oyster mushrooms. Yes sewri it's like an ir that's never turns on later on when she didn't cato talking in the bulk and then later on he was you know she was saying it was like a king mushroom but like obviously like an oyster mushroom Parmi. Things that he was trying to make us fail all but like I don't know who does that is he grafting asks the whole time. He's like meal. Just faking it the whole time so Gordon because when I think of my last meal on Earth which I I actually think about often it's ten courses and that's the only time I want ten courses too much. Yeah I love that. She has like a critical about her. Own Final Neil. Young Courtney ten courses so so So now the girl like Ashen comes by at one point and And the girls like they're all like I am they're horny and she's lake lakes basis. Like no I wouldn't be disappointed. Some strip tease happened. Of course kate loves this and so she tells Ashton basically the girls want to strip tease said. Oh we'll have hung up g-string which means that shirts coming off in two seconds. Yeah so competitive. Because they're like whoo. Brian passes and then he passes may stop. And he's like he would do. And that's right so Morris now he's GonNa drop all pretense about not wanting to be a stripper anymore so he can be Brian at something. Yeah as soon as kate suggests that he starts like undulating his hips back and forth. And you can't even stop and the camera's zooms in it's just like as crunch. Yeah when he goes. I hung up my g strings. She's like your mouth is saying no but your pelvis hissing. Yes so so So they serve dessert everything. And then they're like and here's Ashton. He's your eleventh chorus. And of course he just starts grinding on that lady And guess what they do will so But he does this weird Strip Vang worth like a Ted talk. He's like or or all are needed volunteer. I'm going to show you some fundamentals to remember when giving a lap dance is acquainted sound. Your red carpets are the little red carpet. Listen I would I would not listen. I would not object lesson give. GimMe the Ted talk to make educational as well as sexy. So Courtney is is watching behind her with her mouth wide open like Oh my God and he just keeps on and you can take the boy out of the Strip club dance group. They can't take the Strip club. Dance Group out of the boy to Indian that again because I really like saying it up dance group Strip club bathroom group. She really got specific on that one. Step Dance Club Davidoff Strip Strip club. It's actually she piece actually Zafy grows in Strip club Brooklyn so that you won't be repaid in that grade. I and that was my play. That was my. Yep You sure have and and the musical where where it's like an invisible dreamworld. What is that called butter? Brigham dance snatch but but but US nationals as part of New Jersey that every thirteen years and go there. And if you like hey look at this cool town on the shore and you go there and like Oh my God. They played the best house. Music better find someone to I love with otherwise because now come back no thirteen years year girls hideous. She's a butter snatch but it's nagging gene. I played I played archie beaten the father of Harry beaten and I was the one who would say in the beginning yet in particular is very very important important role. Because if if I weren't there you never know what town yeah. These people have been like. Is this musical called poughkeepsie. Now I'm Charlie House like Google maps but it doesn't actually work healing Brigadier. I'm PAM from tripadvisor. Says as a very good burger shack here. Yeah there's a good burger shack on that island. Looks like a Dick Brigadier Island. It's not there anymore. That's weird Yes but I was in a tree goes in Brooklyn I did not have a specified. I had a role that was created by by the teacher and I like to say it was up a spoke roll In that in the beginning of the show I would come out and say apple's pencils only a nickel will mister. So you're seeing. Your parents donated a lot of money to that. Call basically painting a role for you know. No I know. They were basically what they do is they had to give everyone a role but they're obviously more kids than roles so like I was newsy number three and I had like one singing line and that was a high everyone gets a goddamn trophy. Everyone gets a Gad. Dan Participation Metal at it's called have talent. And if you're not as good as the trees and get out of Brooklyn all right so Kevin is still trying to improve. What nothing go? Kevin's like I'll go to detainee tonight right. So then the girls are like they can't walk there. Basically the big bad wolf. Who A goldilocks? He's fed them so so full We're going to bed by so Meanwhile the Brian has been in the kitchen. Flirting with Courtney and And ashes outside. It's like. Why are the floors not mopped through so He basically glee is getting now ashes getting really annoyed. He's like he's lowly. I'd for Courtney munching on Kevin's leftovers does not supposed to do brew Ashton and Brian a big brew fight. Where he's like brew come out here is not even it's not even wash bruins brew haven't washed yet because I haven't gotten around to? It's going to affect less but brew you need you this now not be in the kitchen group Abreu I was GONNA get. I'm not going to bring it up but I'm bringing it up right now. Whatever yeah that that was very good reenactment at their fight? It's like I'm mad. Okay do you say to me. Hey D- You on work hold. You're called `avocat brave brave brandon. I'm somewhere in the middle of their review. Some of the Middle Brian Said like you're being unfair Ashton on being unfair. How could I be unfair? I'm just saying you should be doing your job. On being unfair a company called me on fierce it was like an then he was like an angry at being called unfair and then brew and all that stuff off got a silver dollar McCone whole rotman skinny. And it's twenty thousand in Dallas tomorrow. Is they done fee. And then Brunswick we supposed to be a team here yeah. That's my exact point Brian. We supposed to be a team here. Sam Unfair I I work with hold. There are a few things or simple survey three simple stuff so then the next morning you know people are doing morning things a ladies getting her neck cracked really hard and the most back in laundry and joking with the captain about his epaulets being so heavy counselor the territory game it and then advocates attacks. Should I kill. They're really they're really trying to work with Abbie here but he's not giving them much. You Know My god. You're going to get engaged. It's going to be in that bathtub. Pravo wedding storyline. I gotTA gauged. Yes she's is really hoping for that. Bravo spinoff maybe maybe a four episode Wedding Special Abby and Patrick sailing to the altar coming soon waiting for the winds blow the IBM Greek guys story sponsored by Waco Fabulous La. So Kate and Kevin are talking and she's like Kevin tells her or let them know that I made that Granola with sweat in blood and she's like I think that tears about and he's like don't that would that would be just me crawling weirdly. She has all all right. Then I'll say with might ears as Garnish gave me settle on that great. Thanks can we just say how you made it with sweat and the disappointment from from your father So then at breakfast ladies are still making those crazy sex jokes folks when some warning out over his over his cream e. ashes like I'd rather have his cream. God that's she's sad. Yeah and then down on the crew mass. There's awkward tension between Ashwin Brian. Because they're bruise but they had a fight last night. So they're making little small talk and actions like Ood AH little croissant like making croissant. Crisanto brew small talk but then Ash and then they have really sweet like moment. We're ashes leg. I think I think they have come down a little harder new last night and I think that would have driven just trying to say. Is that like for medicine like an impression but you actually very good worker and and Just saying brew you got my backup. Really unfair brew brew. Andrew basically is odd that she said Ed all right ladies comic data over there. Hey let's let's see what he's barking and pooping at the same time. Fun Time tanners like you know. I've still shitting. I just WANNA sit around and watch cartoons all right. I'm a big cartoon. Fan shocker. shocker thought that's really gonNA turn Kate on by the way. Make sure you mentioned that to her. You Watch Marty. She's GonNa love that Cardi. Two people at least have some ambition to people that Richard killed. Do they know how to use it to have it. No okay so then. Kate is calling up simone to me. She's like okay. Simone hello so tonight since we're not doing ten course I menu. I'm going to have more money. Show you service. You can do that and like a lot. The service ready nervous. I've never seen any so excited to pour some water source through so excited like she had like a tray she stepped out. Like Oh. I'm here so case like here. Here's the trade drinks. So here's what you're GONNA you're gonNA carry these stray and this has strengths on right. So you're GonNa go outside and give them drink sick of this. And then he gets up to the door and she had been the Dole. Oh able to eh doing so. Well damnit Simone so in the criminal loves saying things like Oh empty and w t f anything she could use word ladders for. Yeah she basically was like Siri. She's going to spell out when necessary. So down the crew mass There's more tension with Ashton and he basically he wants to call out. I mean He. Brian was one who messed up last night but he also really wants to call out abby without putting not much on the spot so he's like well everyone you know there's just you know Everyone in the group needs to be more detail oriented. Some of us have our heads in the clouds and red red. Cloud's Big Red Cloud that should be bundled up a little bit higher and gathered together a little bit. Some of those have had an clouds. Abut would just have to get better and of course. Abby can tell that it's like directed at her and so she's like well. We're not all Ashton so we can't expect all of wants to be like him and do exactly as he does. Yes that was actually what you should be doing. Because he's the boss until you exactly how to clean the boat. Yeah put your hair back on by the way. So tanner talking and she's like ending. Yeah just in conversation with. Brian rely with that a conversation about talking to us. And he's like oh I don't know I think talked about it but I don't think it was designated towards us I just said designated don't know why or how fits exactly but I said it. Tell you friends like cartoons. Is that that you ever let you ever see punky brewster the cartoon version. God I remember that I was like I remember being a cannon like what I'm owed like an alien friend in her backpack it was weird Yeah how God an Oldie but a just an all day. It wasn't really good K.. I give that a very bad reviews child's on my stand riot. Wow you really. You really came hard for Punky brewster the animates. I'm I'm not. I'm not going to stand for that case. Allay Moon Fry Ma'am also fries closing horrible news. Is it arguing. I mean inevitable. That's the world we live in these days. Really though I went in there and I was looking for a sale. Because they're closing and there was no one there. It's like Hello Hello L. Anybody one in Burbank. That has the spaceship in it and I was willing Texas. But they're all kind of the same okay so anyway. Sorry fry is going to miss you not use Soleil Moon. You can just fuck right off. Okay so Kevin is making scallops and prepping fish and so oh God I've been prepping fish for looking at and someone goes. Oh the deal with raw fish. I was shook and shook it. It's it's just yeah shook it. He's like at the medicine that made me laugh so hard. It just looks at her like she's just making shit up you know so now. Abby is sulking around. She's unhappy on the. The vibe and Brian is like well listen. This happens on charters. Like you'll have low points and you'll have high points and that this normal so don't over. Don't don't over. Think this. And the meantime courtney is like right nearby. You always know when someone's listening in because you may not see them listening in but the producers there's always cut to someone frantically run up staircase so like the middle of this conversation. Obviously Courtney going up a staircase and so she usually goes too so so I was down stairs and apparently Abbie with thing. She doesn't like this job thanks. She's depressed and Keiko's he goes. I'm just Kinda gauge us. A lot of emotions Slot of Modi's. Well listen. Look you're not depressed you're just rat. MRI that drew correct. Yes just like you can just imagine that big open smile. But the time it wasn't to be to to pass judgment it was like you said that so. Allocate Zero Lindau that one K.. Second out I know. I know you're going to be just like me someday. So she's like okay. LEGIT went thirty. What am I doing with my life? I don't even know. Yeah so simone has to smoke pouring beers because she's learning the ropes service and she really has a ways as to go because she pours like four Beers and poured the bureau directly into the glass and of course they get the huge head. The also fair me and Courtney's like I'm why don't you try. I told him the glass. Like no there. Okay that's okay. Just take a long damn. She's like calm down. Current News Aperture turn amateur hour. That's a real beer head extravaganza. You're working on over there towers of Chiang Beers and so now there's like some jet skiing stuff and abby is like not being very helpful on the deck 'cause it's really high and she has is ginger skin and it can burn and then like Brian is trying to do something with the slide and she's like not pushing where she should be pushing or pulling and he basically tells her that she's not focused. I am okay. I just didn't know what you're asking me about. And so then she goes downstairs and cries and is like you know she wants to leave. She's like I'm always so happy when I'm not happy I just WanNa go to the next bliss and I'm an overeater when I'm not happy and trying to pull that fucking story line with me thin person. Kate that's like win Kevin Bacon Wife. I'm sorry to call her that I I just couldn't think of yes that showed

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"The people you meet on the street"

The Tony Kornheiser Show

1:22:35 hr | 3 months ago

"The people you meet on the street"

"Previously on the Tony Kornheiser show. You asked everyone else last couple of weeks. What's one thing that's really surprised you about? This forced time off in. It's at least once a day. I'm I'm with one of the two boys because they have to take naps so they have to rest and to just have those quiet moments as you see a little kid. Falling off to sleep is very peaceful. And it's just a firming family. You should come over here and watch your father take a nap on the couch. Like an old dog. I'm worried and it will be very life affirming. The Tony Kornheiser. Show is on now with great joy and happiness. I say that my son is here on the other end of the table. Six feet apart as we adhere to what Deborah says. And we attempt to continue social distancing unlike the dopes in Florida and Georgia who have decided to do whatever they want to do So odd to me. I was saying this to Michael before we started that trump about a week and a half ago said you know. I'm I'M GONNA open up when I want open up things. I'm running the show. It's all it's all me and immediately. There was an enormous pushback justifiably lead. I think by Andrew Cuomo who said you know? We don't have a king here. That's not how it works so trump's sense that and you said okay all you governors. You can do what you want so now. We have no national policy and he got what he wanted. Yeah we have unrest right. We have no national policy whatsoever. We have governors in all around the country making policy for their states not understanding that in their states. There is enough diversity in terms of population centers. That one policy doesn't fit all even though Deborah Bricks Anthony Fauci continually say one policy doesn't fit all and you can't just turn it on and off like a light switch. That's exactly what's going on. I'm not going to dwell on this. But the insanity of it should be obvious to everybody. I will dwell on a couple of things I would first of all commend. Tom Friedman's column from the other day in the New York Times to everybody about heard what what does it decide herd mentality and herd immunity herd immunity and I commend the people. I want to tell you it's just a small a couple of little stories one is I got a box comes to the house the other day. Maybe Saturday I notice a box on the porch no. I don't I let the boxes stay for twenty four hours. There's nothing in any of these boxes. I mean I know what's in most of the boxes and there's nothing really that matters so you just let it stay out on the porch. The temperature now is not too hot not too cold. It's everything is going to be okay so I opened the box yesterday and I get this. I open this note and it says Hi Tony. I ordered some things from the Walgreen near us to pick up at their drive through window and I saw that they still had cadbury eggs. So I thought of you thank you so much for the shows a couple of times a week. Stay safe love to Carol all the family. Your biggest fan friend. Tamra from Springfield Hammer. Graham she enclosed forty eight cadbury eggs a big box of forty eight cadbury eggs now. I'm going to be as honest as possible. I like cadbury eggs. If they're in front of me I might eat four year. That's it for a year or else I keep them in the foil. I look at them. They look good. I know they're not going to spoil for two hundred years and it's okay. I now have more cadbury eggs than than are reasonable for me. Michael What should I do? This is surprise so nice attorney for you. It's the Halloween candy effect and the Gummy bears effect. Which I just think if something's in front of you you will devour through those. I don't know I mean they're tough to eat. They're very sweet very good. I feel if I eat a bunch of those. I'm just so great about that. Notice what what's the first thing you noticed? On the letterhead of the Denver broncos everything Tamra loves the DENVER broncos. Can I interest you in about twenty Catholic since you started this by seeing them the other day and bringing them to me? I did bring you the few. I don't think I'd quit going up to forty eight. Yeah short yeah so thank you to. Tamra thanked him. And now I'll tell one other small little story and then we will get into the show. I know a guys casual friends with me named Bill. Murphy he is a member at Columbia. He is a very interesting sort of guy and he called me about a week week and a half ago and he said he'd written a novel he said the one good thing about being locked up like this was he could turn his attention to something he'd been wanting to do for a long time. Which is finishing novel that he started some years back and I asked him to describe the novel and he said it's a it's a picturesque funny novel and then he said would you read it and I said I'm not gonna read all of it. I'm not GonNa read all thirty forty pages you know. I'll let you know what I think. I'll read thirty or forty pages and he said can I email it to you and I said no I won't read it. I said you can print it bring it over like actual paper and I'll be happy to read it so he called me a few days. Later as printer was broken and he couldn't do it. The assembly get eventually so eventually got to any printed up and on. Saturday he drives by Saturday afternoon. Four five o'clock something like that. He drives by. He parks his car. I have gloves on because I'm not touching anybody or anything and I take the novel and now I began to stand a little bit away from him so he's by his car which is parked on the side of the road. I'm in the middle of the road because it's my street. I know what I'm doing and we're about ten or fifteen feet apart and we're talking a car drives very very slowly towards us. I moved back a little bit. Bill gets closer to his car now. The CAR STOPS. The car is between us and the car stops and I hear a voice. I look inside. I don't really see anything here. Voice is to people in the front seat and the voice says hello and I go. Hey Hello how're you doing? And he goes. No I'm saying hello and I go. Yeah Hello I I get this all the time. People recognize me all the time. Hello is fine. Hello and then we move on because I'm talking to this other person. There is not an anger but like a surprise in the person's voice in the car that I'm not more receptive that I'm just sort of giving a wave of the hand saying thanks. Because that's what I'm used to. I get that from Fedex skies and I get that from you know the guys on the trucks and I get that all the time saying. Hello I appreciate it. It's just too low. I then down I look in. Oh my God it's Juan Williams like I've known one Williams for forty years while Williams on Fox News now we worked together at the Washington. Post one brilliant brilliant writer. I go one. I'm so sorry I didn't. I chatted for a little while. I felt so unbelievably stupid in that moment so stupid because somebody who actually was saying hello who actually knew me. I felt like an actual idiot. What do you think I thought this was going in a completely different direction. I thought someone was coming down the street. Driving slowly desktops says hello with with that tone. Yeah try and make a point saying no no. You guys need to separate and I'm going to remind you because they would say I'm seeing you closer than the recommended distant so this is a very. I'm happy for this turn. Yeah but I felt stupid. I mean I hope somebody sees one and says to one Tony. Just he just didn't even know even know. I had to bend down to look in the mirror. That's the angle because you're standing up. Yeah in the car. Also you're on your home turf so everyone in this area generally knows you know what street you live on. So yeah he's expecting you and you're not expecting him absolutely so I do you ever get some say it could have been worse. I mean you could have taken them from maitre d' or something like that. I've done that before it around back. Harold Ford I did that before. I one other thing to say I as people people who know me know that that when I say I'm not watching any television I'm really not. I'm watching some news programs until I get disgusted. I'm not watching any series. I'm not doing any binging. I don't want to do that. I just sit in silence and STU in my own juices. Although I've been cooking lately cook last night you describe the steak I cooked a A sirloin cap steak. I cooked very very well with the help of Elizabeth. Would you have to do before you cooked? It had to cross hatch the fat on one of the sides and then render that fat cook that on Stove Top for about ten minutes medium. High Heat getting rid of most of the fat and charring it so it had a great look to it then turned it over for about four minutes. Then put it in the oven for ten minutes. A two hundred fifty degrees and then let it rest for fifteen minutes and it was great. I did that with the help of my daughter. I'm cooking a lot so but I'm not watching TV. I did however does. Are you proud of me? I am I feel like you're pitting your two kids against each other because I only know about this because she texted me to just show her general surprise at technique. I well I only wanted to. I didn't WanNa tell you 'cause I know you're busy cooking I so we're trying to limit our trips to the store. So we're at the end of our Safeway cycle will back tomorrow to last night was rice and beans as I stared longingly at the photo of your Nice State. It was nice. Elizabeth seem proud of it so I was happy about that so anyway the other night. I watched something Tiger King No. I don't know what that is. Okay I'll leave it at that. Okay I watched. I watched an H. B. O. Movie with you Jackman and Allison Janney about education education. Which did you watch it? I did yes. That's right it was in your neck of the woods. You know you talk I go ahead. What did you think I? There's an first of all I thought. This story was unbelievable. And apparently it's true. Yes I listen. I Love Allison Janney. I Love Jackman. I was I was quite taken with an original. I really enjoyed it so it is a very quiet movie about large individual crime. It takes place in Roslyn on Long Island. I know many people who've graduated from Roslyn High School. It's one of the finest public high schools in New York state and always has been It involves the superintendent of schools and a very high ranking officer in the schools who are friendly but independently of each other are stealing robbing the school system blind to the tunes of millions of dollars and it is uncovered by a young girl who writes for the Roslyn hilltop which is the paper that comes out once every month and a half in the high school. It's it's really good you Fr- these are very good actors. It is a very quiet movie. There's no violence in the movie. There's no sex in the movie where some but there's not much but it's I thought it was really good did you. You did right. And it's and it's fifteen miles from where I grew up Rosin. It's mid island towards the North Shore. Driver's ED scenes not drivers snow. No I I really. I recommend this to. Hbo A quiet movie. What would you say an hour? Forty five hour thirty yes. It's not it's not terribly long and the story again. When you find out it's true it's just fascinating. I mean this was as you said. Millions of dollars millions. Each they went to prison. Each of them went to prison. The woman stole so much money. She was able to afford multiple houses in the Hamptons on doom. Lame like the best address in the Hamptons and she was stealing all the time and he was stealing to. It's just great. He was he was a member when the the accountant comes to him and he says suet looks like you went to Europe. And he's like well. Yeah I told you about the pell conference is a yeah you you took the Concord. I. It's Yeah Yeah it's really good. It's a really good movie bad education. It it'll run for a while so all right so we get out of here. That is our open when we come back. Michael Wilbon will join us from Arizona. Where he now takes pictures of sunsets and sends them Arizona. Sunsets there are no sunsets in Washington. Dc because it rains every single day every day. I'm Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser show. This is the Harry's add And it says now is not the time to pay overpay for razors at the drugstore. No time is the time to overpay for raises at the drugstore. Harry's knows sometimes it's better to stay inside that's shipped directly to you so you can experience a quality of a Harry's shave in just a few days from the convenience of your own home. Join the ten million tried. Harry's claim your special trial offer going Harrys dot com slash Tony Kaye. 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And you can at the just. Don't even listen to us. Just go to the end of the PODCAST. And Listen to Jessica Mitchell. Who's really talented? Michael Wilpon is with us. How was the week? You sent lovely pictures of sunsets. How was your week this week in Arizona? I'm probably you know it's relatively good. I mean everything is relative But in the context of you know where we are In the world today It's pretty good. I don't have any right to complain about anything. it's warm and sunny and beautiful out here every day. Got A little toasty for a couple of days for the first time Arizona. It's a it's a long time to get to a hundred degrees by their standards and it it. It did that in down in the valley. It's not a bad high where I live about. Twenty five minutes north of the city but it is that. But you know it's it's it's good all things all things relative. When does it start to get hot with a vengeance? That's from me. I like to come out here in June even after the like in the Western Conference finals which I've covered a lot of years over the last fifteen I feel like coming here when when when that's going on and that's you know even even after the finals for a few days in. Ju I'm fine with June with just a low humidity and high temperatures in late. June for me is late June. Okay that that that's enough now. I give let me find something cool to go to because from for me from June twenty fifth to September. Fifth that that's a little. That's a little toasty for some of us. So let me ask about Matthew and I bring this up because Michael is here and Michael is describing what he identifies a little bit as anxiety with the baby boy Buzi. Who's not yet three years old knowing that the routines changed matthews in seventh grade. Now my correct on that seven thick thick thick going into seventh. Yeah if their school so he showing. Is there any strain? Is there anything that you see where you begin not to get worried but to get a little bit anxious where you go This is a little bit different no not yet but matthew lived in a house with a father who has a routine right. I don't have routine in you know me. I don't I don't have routine you know We live our lives obviously very differently. I'm not a personally chain anyway. And then you know just a big chunk of my year so they have retained. Because I'm I'm in and out. I'm home two days and then not for five at home three days and not for five and that goes on for basketball as it goes on starting in January to be honest but really you know March April May and in the First Twenty Days Junior December team so matthew you know I mean you really should have a child in some routine. Yeah but he identifies more with with my life. He's he's a child of sports. That's what he cares about. And so you know he should be in better time every night eve not. He should have have have a certain stretch days and weekends of this. No He's not 'cause I'll take him to a playoff game up. We'll we'll we'll leave on a Friday afternoon and go to Ilga playoff games with me. It's gotTa Stay Hotel for two days. And and then we come back just in time to get him back to whatever it is. He's not he's not given to routine too much And you know Tony. He wouldn't be seeing his friends anyway. he is playing xbox with. Oh my God these these kids know call of duty is is something screaming anything. He's like me when I was sports. And he's like that with sports and call of duty with his friends and he's playing with Jordan who are not in school in y not a class at their home in Chicago. And they're doing this sometimes pretty late and the good thing for me is he. He's GonNa give up some day tomorrow. He's gotTA BE UP. At Five thirty local time to be on distance learning for Woods Academy Because those classes are eight thirty local time in real life so it means get up at five thirty and at first he wanted to complain about that and I said I don't WanNa hear. It is done by noon. You're able to be outside which you wouldn't be in Bethesda Maryland basketball court out here. You Got Golf. You gotTa pull every day. Don't WanNa hear it. Is there any any sense a school in the fall do you do you? Are you anticipating having school? I don't want anything to do that. I'm taking it as you know. We talked about these leagues planning and I take it a couple of days at the time a week a week at a time. I have no idea I have no idea so I wanted to get to something. You know Wayne Gretzky. You both belong to the same golf club. You know Wayne Gretzky. I'm not saying you're Powell's but you you chat with Wayne Gretzky Wayne. Gretzky was in the news. The other day says he's rooting for Alexander. Ovechkin to break his record. Do you believe that I've talked until you ingrained skew? The nicest person I ever met right. He's the nicest guy ever. This is this is I mean I mean it's it's it's fifteen years. I actually do know him and have sat around with him. A COUPLE OF TIMES. chatted Like you Mitch. Antonietta at the golf club. Yeah and and and then you know you know twelve years ago whatever it is. I guess it's I have a heart attack. One of the first calls I got was from Wayne Gretzky. That will but he's he's every time anytime I've met him. He's the nicest guy in the world so you then think it's sincere as he is man you know so. I don't know he got an agenda or something. I'm not parts of anything Wayne. Gretzky said. Yeah he said He. He was rooting from the break. It and he says when he gets close he'll go on the road he'll be there when ovechkin breaks it now. I don't imagine that Wayne. Gretzky feels threatened at anybody would ever say Alexander Ovechkin a better hockey player than he is but if he's if they said that he would say listen. That's a good argument. That's a good guy to have. Is your favorite player or your choices. You're right I think nicest guy ever. I'm not talking about in just the regular realm of. He's pretty cool. Do No no no no no. If you walk the Gretzky and said I know you were great. But it's Alexander Augusta Guy Griffin would say. Well that's really good. I mean you got a lot to choose from there with his career and what he's he that's who he is but you will never believe that anyone could be better than Gresko right visit camping. No no no I mean I I know by ever but in my lifetime. Nobody is going to be better. Think Rescue Jordan. That's that's the deal leading us into the Jordan documentary episodes. Three and four were on last night What were your thoughts about those overall? Well the robins stuff is so entertaining. Tony Robbins stuff is just so good. I people texting me last night. Good thing that I'm always on the two generations after mind always on them about not paying attention to history will not knowing anything really make this Jordan Doc. Unbelievable for them because they don't bring of even the ones old enough to him bricks. They don't never anything and I've heard people say to me. Well they act as if this stuff is just now happening because you know what twenty Dennis Rodman is really twenty years removed from our day-to-day consciousness and millennials than whoever the generation is over the name generation. After them go anything they don't go this Jerry. Krause guy how did that happen? And and and it's not like you and I re examining. How did it happen because you you? I talked about this last week. They're asking 'cause they don't they don't know Jerry Krause just out of clouds to them as other. Rodman stuff is the Rodman says if you're hanging for the twentieth time it's so good. I I know the Robin Story of our Carmen Electra. And Jordan flying the Vegas. I know the story is Jordan. Told him in my company one of the first times. The first time he told Jordan sat on the story for us he just didn't think he could tell the story and then one of the things people should learn about. Michael Jordan is doc is that he's a fabulous storyteller a passionate rabid storyteller and Jordan told a story And I was in the group of people. He told it to me and Stuart Scott and John Berry Allen who is fourth person was there was more net but he started telling us and he said he was getting on me. Because I never talked to Rodman I never targeted route like. Why would I want to talk to the he's from the moon and Jordan to say to your job you get paid to talk to guy you talk to them so you'll do that door? Goes you got the story? Can you hear the story? He tells a version of the story that he talked last night about thirty minutes. It's like right. The greatest story of all time John Kerry and the greatest story ever. And it's the story of Robin Gordon Phil Jackson saying I need some time off. I got to Vegas. I need to let off some steam when he's telling the story twenty just like watch it for the first time. People are incredulous like detect messages from college coaches from people who are incredulous that this happened in the modern NBA. And it couldn't happen now because the owner would have to get involved. They didn't do that. Phil Jackson said to Michael. What are we going to do? Dennis wants to Vegas Water and the two of them handled it. That's not happening today. There's GonNa be a call to the commissioner who conduct novel coming to the League. Everyone is going to get involved. Dennis Robbie on a commercial flight and went to Vegas like he's a middle seat on South West Airlines of what you and I disagree or we disagree completely. I I think Rodman is a fool. I don't care about anything that he was a full or not. I mean I agree on his to me a total waste of my time now. I am having watched both episodes last night. I've gotten sort of harder in my opinion that Michael Jordan is worth everything and everybody around him. I don't even care. But with the exception of Phil and hearing their Dennis Rodman Scottie. Pippen I hear list but Michael Jewelry. Great because they won with this guy. He's Jordan is really again. I use this phrase. Insanely charismatic insanely charismatic. One last thing you owe me let me ask you this real quick me. You don't find Michael Jordan getting on a plane and flying to Vegas. Oh No I do the season I do Paul Dennis Rodman of bed with Carmen Electra. Find that what you've ever heard it. It's a fine. It's a fine story. I have such little regard for Dennis. Rodman that I you know what I mean I just think. Why are you wasting my time with this guy? I'm so happy that Jordan went and got him and that from that moment on he was tremendously productive. But I just think he's his actions or the actions of a fool that's all that's not. There's no we're not talking about that. That's established right. That's established well. They needed a season. You kill me that can happen today. No I don't think it could because the social media couldn't happen today but the other part is it is still the documentary for me still disjointed. I don't have a sense of time. I don't when are we going to get to the ninety seven ninety eight? You know what I mean I. It's it's I mean that story. Yeah but it's sort of all it's still all over the map for me. Yeah for me and I also by using flashback. So that it's it's a little difficult for me. I'll ask one other question. How did the bears doing the draft for you? We okay with that idea. You didn't pay attention at all. Okay none not not I mean no I this I you know Tony. I never pay attention to the draft. Is You know and I'm sure people thought well there's nothing else on. He's got to watch it. No I watched about thirty minutes so I can see Roger Goodell's house the way you and it just. It was like all right so after we get past six or eight players. I have no idea where people are and this is increasingly in the NBA for people like me freshmen. Who I've never heard of and people from other countries who I've never heard of Ghana. Okay fine I'll tell me. Tell me when the seasons like Siri and I'll watch them and I'll watch him. I'll talk to later. Added break pick but that was about it. I paid attention to talk to you later. Bye All right town. Michael Wilpon boys and girls who wakes up to be on the show? Because it's three hours earlier we're talking wilpon at eight in the morning eastern. 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One More Time because spelling is important to grammar G. R. A. M. A. R. L. Y. dot com slash. Tony you're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show Kornheiser again. This is Jessica Mitchell. She's really good is good. There's really good and really good and in the really good category. This is called hold onto the light playing in Peter King. My friend of many many many years now with Sunday night football NBC. Sports and you know I I I got a million things they ask and some of them are on the draft and to me there were two stories in the draft because of my limited knowledge of football and my sort of you know stardom fixation. It always usually involves quarterback's offensive players in this case. There were two quarterbacks taken one of the first round and one in the second round where I went. What what are you what are you doing? What is this about? And the number one for me was the packers not just waiting in their spot but trading up to get Jordan love when they had Aaron Rogers traded up proudly traded up gleefully traded up. Didn't bother to tell Aaron Rodgers. They were going to do it. And Roger's GonNa be all going into the hall of fame. He's he's one of the greatest quarterbacks of the last ten years if not the greatest he and Brady of the last ten years and going forward I think it's he and Mahomes next three or four and breezes in there too but not to me on the level of Rogers. What did you make of that? And and how do you think Peter that Roger should feel? Well what I made of. It is that I mean this is so multifaceted Tony as I wrote in my football morning in America column Today think one of the things about this story is that you have to understand. The person made decision. A guy named Brian Goudie const. He's the third year Packer Jin General Manager. And he was hired to work under Ron woolfe when Ron woolfe retire go to state and worked under Ted Thompson now in Nineteen ninety-two Ron. Woolfe traded a first round. Pick for a former second round backup quarterback named Brett Farve And that was questioned in two thousand five Ted Thompson. Drafted a plummeting. Aaron Rodgers when thirty five year old Brett farve apparently still had some prime years left and now obviously Rogers whose thirty six turns thirty seven in December has told me. He wants to play if his legs hold up until he's at least forty You know obviously the decision is that the decision was made by a general manager. Really like a quarterback Jordan love to You know basically pick a guy. Even though Aaron Rodgers could have four or five prime years left now I talk a Gouda concerned about this and the feeling that he left with me. Is that if the worst thing happens that If the worst thing is that Roger plays great for the next four or five years and Jordan love never plays for the packers. Then that's good for the packers because you know then that will have meant that the most important position in the game has been safeguarded into the future and all that I do think Tony that you know If if you look at the landscape in Green Bay you see a team that in the last six drafts has never taken a wide receiver in the first three grams and in the last six free agency seasons has never signed anything close to prime wide receiver. It's no secret around that team that I probably everybody in that Locker Room says. Hey you know look. At what San Francisco does you know they go out and get deebo? Samuel one year and and Brandon. Yoke and you know the next year and they're always addressing Kansas City addresses at other teams address. It and so I just think right now when you look at it Tony you can definitely argue about whether it's a decision that should have been made my bigger issue even as it relates to you know the feelings of your quarterback the feelings of your team. The bigger issue is that they have basically left the cupboard bear At a position that has become more and more dominant an important in football and that's why he receiver so I'm yeah here's my feeling about it. I think it is obnoxious. That they draft this guy without telling Aaron Rodgers. I'm going to go to your your point. Mahomes and breeze and Garoppolo have much more to work with much more than Aaron Rodgers. They put Aaron Rodgers out there. And they say you're so great. Just be great and he gets them to thirteen and three. And you need to tell me Peter. I'm not trying to be antagonistic here. How does that pick of Jordan Lov? Help pay thirteen in three-team that is a contender. The Super Bowl. How were they helped by that? Pick this year. How not there? And and that's the biggest reason why I think if you question it and I certainly. It's kind of funny when I when I saw his first on Thursday night. I said this is this is crazy is what I thought this is. This is nuts especially because they got so close last year and they have such crying need at wide receiver. What would I have done They're in taking Michael Pittman. Usc Tell me what you raise one of your things. You should know this. You talked about how Green Bay moved up to pick him. I think it number twenty six. They moved up four slots. Well I I haven't on pretty good authority that There was at least one team high in the second round very actively Trying to get up to Baltimore's picket twenty eight and other picks down there In the twenty eighth and so my feeling right now when I look at all this if they wanted Jordan love my feeling is they probably did have to trade up. Yeah well I don't know if you agree with this but my first reaction. My first sort of like backing away reaction. How did this happen was green? Bay has no owner. You don't have to run this by an owner. An owner might say what what are you doing? What are you doing Aaron? Rogers what are you nuts? No we're not GONNA do this. Green Bay doesn't have that does that factor into remind just reaching at straws. I think that I think that Brain Gouda consents. Great powers the Stewart of the franchise. I cannot tell you. I don't know what his contract says about Of Bow decisions like this and potentially Running by Mark Murphy. Who's a basically the chairman of the board shareholders out there so I don't know I I don't. I can't tell you whether Martin Murphy would have had the ability to say to him. You can't do this a doubt he would because I do. Think the general manager in Green Bay. I'm not saying y'all powerful is but I do think he has control over over who they draft. I agree with that to let me get to the second round early in the second round the eagles were paying Carson. Wentz king's ransom for a guy who's not particularly healthy all the time and who miss their super bowl run. Nick foles ran it. They took Jalen hurts. How should wince feel about that unsure? Wins doesn't feel good about it nor nor should he but in my opinion I think that this classify when I saw it. Look I don't live in Philadelphia. I don't have any I mean I don't care about any team but When I first saw this my first reaction was. Oh my God why they do that. My first reaction was not. Yeah why they do that or boy. Carson Wentz is going to be ticked off my first reaction was. That's a brilliant move and the reason that I think it's a brilliant move. Is that if you look at. What the Eagles. I will be very surprised if Doug Peterson doesn't figure out a few ways to get him on the field when Carson Wentz is on the field and I'm not saying he's GonNa go full blown. Take some hill right but I do think they're going to use him in games this year. I don't know five. Seven eight plays in a game. That's number one and I'll tell you number two tony. I've always felt this always. I think that too many teams are too. Cavalier about the backup quarterback position. You tell me right now. That IF NATE. Sut Feld or Kiowa letter who were the two incumbent backups on the Eagles Roster Right now if if I again in November December this year for the third time in his career Carson Wentz got hurt and had to miss the rest of the season. How would you feel about those guys being one backup quarterback on the Philadelphia Eagles? The backup quarterback position is one of the most is one of the ten most important spots on a roster now because Carson wentz missed seven games three years ago and six games two years ago as the Eagles I one on the super bowl run and then went on a playoff run that they were able to do that because they had a competent backup. Nick foles now. In my opinion all will not be lost if assuming that hurts is is passable to good all not be lost at Carson. Wentz gets hurt again. It's a good. That's a good point. I had not thought of that. What did you by the way I was charmed by the draft? I was charmed by the way the. Nfl DID it. I thought they were just so. They're so far ahead of everybody else. Don't you think yeah I you know Tony I in my life Doing this job. I've been in a bunch of draft rooms on draft weekend and this year I tried my absolute best to get in some teams draft room. I worked at it for a couple of weeks and filing Tampa Bay general manager. Jason agreed to have me in his room. Virtually you know and I watched and they ended up making the first trait of the first round with San Francisco and it was kind of fun. I did a little tick tock about it and and what it was like in the collar but the more people. I talk to around the NFL this weekend. Even the people who hated the idea of the draft going on when it did. I gotTa tell you something. I did not find anybody who said I didn't like you. Don't make me Loomis of the saints. Who criticized it Told me that if kids now have a life lifetime memory you know after being with their dad when he made You know this this draft choice and so I thought it was. I thought a lot of it was really good and it was. I honestly think this and again I'm not trying to be corny but I think it was important to show that life can go on even when life. Kinda sucks and that is what the NFL did this weekend. I agree with that completely. I was charmed by it. I was impressed by it. It it I look at the other leagues and the relationship in other leagues between players and management and ownership. And I knew that could happen in any other league to the degree that had happened in the. Nfl wouldn't surprise me off the NFL went into people's houses and brought in decorators. Who changed the look of their houses? And did all of those things. And I was so impressed and that leads me to the question to get you out on. Which is if anybody can have a season. I'm sure we agree the. Nfl can have a season. Yes but where you sit now at the end of April where you sit now. Do you think there will be an NFL season? I think there will be an NFL season but it will look like no nfl season ever has And in many ways but I think the three most significant ways. I think some if there is an NFL season. And I believe there will be some if not all of the Games will be played in empty stadiums. That's number one. I just don't see or or else in stadiums where instead of having sixty thousand fans there are eight thousand fans or something like that. That's number one number two. I it's going to be very very difficult for the NFL to have any sort of organized training camp They're obviously not going to have off season programs and Tony the third thing I think to to sort of figure out. This is really getting in the weeds. But it's GONNA be important. Someone told me WHO's connected with a team that you know. How is it going to look and this is something? Maybe everybody will say well. This is fine if you're an NFL team you're probably going to have to test your players and important staff members. Probably about twice every week K. You'RE GONNA have to take their temperature every day. But let's say that you've got two hundred and fifty people in your organization insecurity and everything that are required for you to play football game. Let's just say okay. And so that means that every week if you have taken to tests every week you're going to be using five hundred tests. What's everybody in the country? Every mayor every governor. They're all asking for more tests so can the NFL in good conscience. Basically every week take up sixteen thousand tests for the entire autumn and then going into the winter and again maybe the answer will be this is needed for the psyche of our country. So yes we'll do it but I can't tell you that I do think that there will be some who would protest to play football games. You've got to use all these tests but we'll see Peter. Thank you so much stay healthy. I'll talk to you soon. Thank you Peter. Thank you very much. Tony Peter King Boys and girls I. It's it's an enormous pleasure to have known him. As long as I have tremendous respect for Peter King. I think most people who listen to this show last year right around this time of year. Maybe a little bit later. Peter King Doc Emrick and bobbly and myself were inducted into the sports writers. Sports caster version Hall of fame of the National Sports Media Association. June twenty-fourth Yeah Michael. Was there introduced. 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We play somebody by Bruce but this is the night they drove old. Is this the waiter the night they drove old dixie down? This is the way this is the weight. And we're playing this by the ban and we're playing this in recognition of the fact that on this particular day how long ago Nigel was actually on yesterday in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight. The movie the last Waltz was released into theaters. April twenty-seventh Abra twenty-six rather so that was Martin Scorsese and. It's one of the great documentaries ever. You can talk all you want about Dennis Rodman and a Michael Jordan documentary. I mean this is stop. Let's not get nuts here. It was really really great tremendous. That was the the ban started out as the backup band for Bob. Dylan I think the first album was music from big pink which is in Woodstock New York and they arrived at cult status very very quickly list Clark as I said joins us. It's so nice to hear her voice. What what are you doing? What are you working on? Is it all by phone or you get now. What are you doing well? So yeah the work is all by phone You know covering sports and trying to come up with stories that are not just. This is canceled. That's canceled here's another thing cancelled So that's keeping me busy For for better or worse. This sequestration has coincided with badly needed home repairs. Some that were scheduled before and some that as with an old house emerged when you start peeling back the layers of an old house. So it's hard for me to say You know many things more stressful than home repairs that are costly and unknown and and raise questions about this structure of your house And to do that at this time has not been so smart but but anyway so so. That's been a great source of anxiety. But I think it's all going to come together and the workers have been very safe and respectful and So all that has been compliant and then just spending an inordinate amount of time with my beloved Jack the Beagle and I live in the most wonderful neighborhood of DC where almost everybody has a front porch and there's a people walk and walk their dogs and bicycle and tricycle and up and down so I do. Not Feel at all isolated. I see my neighbors all the time you know. From a safe distance everybody again is very aware of the rules. And I'm just so lucky to live where I live and have such nice neighbors and a really funny Beagle. I'm let me just say yeah. Is Jack Confused by Your presence? Because in your lives together you have been going away a lot to do your work. Is He confused by your presence? Well you know it's interesting I you know I've never had a Beagle. And they are so different than labs so if I had had a lab. I'm sure there would have been great puzzlement at first and I realize I've totally misread jack. Since I've been home he has been just attached to me like Velcro. I mean I cannot move without Jack and I was saying to a friend you know. This is turned Jack into the biggest baby. I don't know how he's going to cope when I leave you. Know he's just completely everywhere I am and she said No. No He is sensing your anxiety and he's trying to help you you know. He's trying to be a comfort to you. He's upping baby and I think she's right so I just didn't give him credit for being an impasse in the way that certain breeds. Are you know Jack is fairly selfish? She's a Beagle but I mean when he's hunting but he's really been pal. He's been a great pal. I think that's wonderful Beagle. My first dog was a beagle. The PUNA was a Beagle and and what I remember. Most is beagles are smaller than you think they are. They're not they're not giant dogs and they how they they they're just they're wonderful wonderful dogs but they are hounds. Don't don't kid yourself angles a let me get. Let me get to the stories that you're writing you spent as we all have our whole careers going to the stories physically going to the stories. Can you feel the story the same way by just reporting over the phone? What'S THE DIFFERENCES? Boy that's so interesting Well obviously we're not covering live events and there's nothing that matches. The emotion weather euphoria despair wild wings of emotion Individual Triumphs Team Camaraderie at a of the palpable. You know visual of of being there so those things that it's not like you can't replicate them. They just they're just not there for us now so the questions. We're writing are almost like policy questions or Coping questions like how are Olympians keeping in shape What is this league doing is opposed to that? League as opposed to this particular sport. And that has to do kind of with the convergence of sports business A hope or not hearing baying and pop culture. You know what we're learning about. What is the appetite fans have for sports and I mean the recent NFL draft? I think has been such an eye opener in showing that there's such a pent up hunger for fresh content that people will tune in to things broadcast from home and in fact if done right there's a plus side that's not just like this is a bad version of what you're used to there can be a plus side if it has that Kind of we're GONNA pull the curtains back and show you behind the scenes aspects of your sport. You know this is what a coaches on looks like. This is what A. GM's home looked like and people really love that you know so not to extol the NFL. But I think this is really going to be something that other sports are realizing there can be a viable return without fans at least as an interim step that if we just stage Auto races without fans that can be that can be viable for a while Because depending on where your revenue comes from you want to provide. Tv with the content tent that they've paid you billions or good jillions four to provide that you haven't been able to provide That's a big mouthful but I'll stop there. No Lemme Lemme go to that. Let me go to auto racing for a second. Because they're doing these like board games. They're doing simulated racing that in you know to the untrained eye mine actually looks like real racing you were there and one guy got in trouble got fired because he has. He shouldn't use in a live auto race auto racing strikes me as something that could return more quickly than other sports. Is there a plan that you're aware of or do you disagree? And that can't return more quickly than other sports well boy. I don't want to lose your listeners with my geeky new of motor sports but there's a lot involved in this So Nascar the biggest form of motor sports in the US. Just last week announced it intends to return to racing mid May in a couple of weeks mid May Without fans so they they can do this. And they haven't worked out the details of do have pit crews leaping over the walls. You know how how many team members would be there. But but certainly no fans and so you're providing a race. You're providing content for the people who've paid you money to broadcast the race and you're trying to keep up with the schedule. They've canceled or what do you call? It postponed six races. And they're still saying they're gonNA make them up So they they need to backtrack and make up these races and in their schedules so they want to do that in a way. It's sort of easy for Nascar to make this decision. Because they own the sport they don't necessarily own the tracks so the people who get killed by this or the track owners who don't have any revenue you know ticket revenue but But I think that is plausible and in Europe Formula One beyond Europe Asia to. They're saying they're going to return to racing. I forget their date. I think it's August they're looking at I. It could be off on that but a little bit later. But they're also saying they're gonNA start racing again And they are. They have global implications again there in Asia Europe I I think South America. I know they're in South America. I just can't remember what's left on their schedule Without fans so I think yeah that racing come back I mean you know pro. Rodeo came back this weekend and I think it might have even had fans I mean and then there's the certain forms of fighting are you know. They're they're things kind of fringe. Sports are are probably crossing a serious public policy health policy. But you know the Auto racing is certainly a massive amount of money. That's a big time sport. Another sport that you have covered for many years as tennis tennis strikes me as something that could come back as well. You wrote a story. The other day about the tennis players lament people ranked in the hundreds had no place they could practice their craft. They weren't making any money. You know I mean my sense of that was this is sort of life you've chosen and and there's a lot of people out there that can't make any money who owned restaurants and owned bar so but tennis is a sport that it seems to me could come back without fans and has a without double. Certainly in singles has a certain distancing that is made for these times. Yes know what you think makes sense but not. I don't think it's it all in that in that in the same place the likelihood spectrum you know as motor sports for for several reasons and remind me because I want to address your point about. This is the life you've chosen. I hear that I'm hearing a lot of that but I have a pushback but we'll save that for later so why maybe not tennis. I don't think there's going to be pro tennis. This calendar year I mean nobody said that. Several people have speculated it. I'm just not seeing it because for one. All the athletes are from all over the world and the tournaments are also all over the world. So it's not like your drying athletes from one country and declaring one country kind of a safe zone. I mean there's no such zone as that so I just don't think the athletes would be comfortable flying all over the globe to restart at a tennis season They they don't have a long career as it is and and you know nobody wants to get this virus or another thing. The percentage of revenue that tennis gets from broadcast is is way smaller than the NFL And other sports you know they. They Need Gate receipts particularly the slams. You know they need the events the US Open it. It's it prints money. But that's because of the colossal number of people that go in and out of Flushing Meadows over two weeks. I mean it's staggering. That is money. It's not like the TV deal is. Is the be all and end all for keeping tennis? Salvin so tennis is not so you know there's not an economic are strong economic argument for resuming tennis without fans Do if if that makes if you're connecting dots that I'm doing a great job connecting myself but But there's a big difference And and there's you know I think any health expert certainly a health expert who is not in the US and able to speak. Frankly who's not muzzled or intimidated? In some way. We'll tell you there is not really gonNA be mass public gatherings for many many months so so then if we're talking about sports we're talking about what sports are viable without fans and. I think more of them are viable without fans than we think partially again because we just saw how entertaining draft was But I I'm not seeing tennis restarting and you wanted to push back on the notion of I sure did I sure did and there was one particular tennis player. Dominic team who who pushed back very In a big way on social media. Because there's been this call from Federer Djokovic very wonderful call you know we want the players. The top ranked players to donate money to help players without an income So it's like this this bold Thing that they have gotten behind and and I'm sure many players are motoring under their breath about it players with money but but one said Look No. No you sort of what you were saying. This is the life they chose and he he even went harder and said I know these lower players. They don't work very hard if they worked very hard there. They'd be where I am and they wouldn't have this problem so all I wanna say is think of the NFL. There is an incentive for the best teams to let the worst teams pick I in the draft. I mean the entire. Enterprise is based on a certain amount of socialism and lifting the lower people competitively. And we don't Balk at that in the NFL you don't you don't say gee. Why is the CRAPPIEST team getting depict I? This is about at least as a stab at competitive balance. Because any any sport if you don't have competitive balance if you don't have competition it's it's a nonstarter so it's not that this effort to help players ranked outside the top. One hundred is just a feel good pollyanna. Let's help everyone. It's it's a recognition that you know a a one hundred twenty eight player draw in a Grand Slam needs one hundred twenty eight players that make first round matches really interesting or at least occasionally have upsets so there is an interest in keeping these people from quitting the sport in despair. Because not you know. They don't have sponsorships. 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Dennis DeYoung

Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast

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Dennis DeYoung

"Gilbert Godfrey veges Gilbert Got Bridge Amazing Colossal Body Gash with my co host. Frank Santo Padre our guest. This week is a musician singer. Songwriter record occasional active theatrical composer rack on door and genuine rock and roll icon. He started out playing. The accordion believes his mother. And just a few decades later. He was selling millions of records albums and performing to sold out. Arenas all over the world as both a solo artist and founding member of the creative voice behind the wildly popular pop and rock band stakes. You know is this thing voice from hit songs like lady the Grand Delusion Mister Robot. Babe IS THE TIME. Show me the way let it. In the best of times come sail away among God. There's he was also abeyance most successful writer composing seven of the Band's a billboard top ten singles as well as a solo dot Tennessee. He's sense of showmanship. Ns grandiose theatrical style heavily influenced the group sound in the Nineteen Seventies Zara leads seven well received Solo live album including a broadway standards album. I as well as a theatrical performer. He's stored reductions of Jesus Christ stupid dark and compose an original stage. Musical based on untracked of Notre Dot. But they're small. He's racing youtube videos maiden Riley in his living roof and created to provide comfort to those of affected by a current pandemic have garnered over a million views and generated thousands of sponsors and his brand new Solo. Allowed them twenty six. He's drowsy or one will be released. Stunned may twenty. Please welcome to the show on artist of many interest and talent and a man who says growing up the one dude. He the play center field for the show on the White Sox or be Jerry loads up bro Slann Illinois. Dan is a young. Oh my God frank. Gilbert a rape debts dead introduction along with my career. Some of those things true Dennis none of it. I didn't even know we were talking about by the way. I've done nothing that I've got nothing to edit. That see you guys good night season Gilbert. Read all this stuff each taught. Hanks thanks though. Oh I know likes to say they double as an obituary. You forgot to mention. I'm kind to animals. I'll just donald over include. Yeah please go for Paradise Theatre anywhere in there. I what about this Jerry? Lewis Business Dennis you. You're in the midst of a fan. A lifelong fan and somebody who knew Jerry. Yeah I mean I. I was in an Elevator Gilbert. One day with my little daughter and it was it was some hotel and in in La. I just stepped there and he was there and he had a lozenge. I think at the time and so he turned to my said. Turn my daughter's how. Oh you're so beautiful and I stood there and I never said a word because I thought to myself. That's Jerry Lewis. Sh shut up. I didn't know what to say to him because I wanted to be him he he. Wow He's like one of those people when you see him in person you go no. He can't exist in real life. Here's United Gilbert. You didn't know this but this. This song was originally written up for one of his movies. Have you done that in concert? Dennis I have. I don't know if I've ever done in concert for many years. I use it as a routine on radio shows because nobody. Nobody expects me to be funny. They expect me to be hi. I'm a Rockstar. I'm posing very serious but really the guys in sticks were the nuttiest guys ever end. Jerry for me was like you know this one baby anyway. So I love Jerry Lewis. I just you know I was always to one day I would. I was practicing falls. You know all this I hit my my ribcage so hard on the side of a building. I thought I broke a rib. I stopped doing that but I wanted to be cheering. He's just the you don't know what is like as a person but there was no no whenever wherever lake him ever one of a kind. I was always lucky because I could use that famous line. Well he was always nice to me. Yeah Yeah it was nice that my daughter so I didn't give an opportunity did not be nice. What did you what did you listen to grow? And I know I know the albums you bought Dennis. But did you were you. Were moving guy as a kid. Because I know you're a movie guy now you're remove off. We talked about blazing saddles. Did you go to the Paradise Theater in Chicago? Or what was the other big show Granada? Paradise Theatre was the story behind as quickly as I walked in an arc into an art gallery Merrill Chase in nineteen eighty and there was painting Syrah. Actually of the Paradise Theater by Robert Addison in paradise know closed indefinitely and say wow seems like a a metaphor for American one thousand nine hundred and we were going through big changes so I bought. It took it home but the actual paradise theater was torn down in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight. When I was eleven years old is and I just use the images a metaphor movies as a kid. I know you were White Sox Fan. I trust them. I never went to the movies that was held captive in my basement. My by my parents that they go to movies. Of course I. The movie theater was the State Theatre the state the state theater. And we just go there and try to sit down and have some popcorn and then get our feet up off the floor. When we left they were stuck so bad but yeah I love movies and every kid you dream. We'll someday maybe a an actor or something and but never happened. Well it did eventually but was the state theater the John. Dylan's your theater. No by graph the Baya graph. Yeah that's on the north side way for from where I lived history. I was she watching a Clark Gable movie I Manhattan Melodrama. That's right that's right very good. Wow but with Myrna Loy. I don't know I know some stuff. But at seventy three Gilbert forgetting everything right now all I have on his Hoodie and my cup. You know you you never know when ball could take a bed bouncing. I go back to go ahead. I found out something that really disappointed me because I wanted to hear stories about groupies making bless cast of your daycare and stuff like that and instead to my Hara. You're you've been happily married for many years fifty. G's as I know well. I met her in high school. She was fifteen and I was forty six. And No. That's not what we listened to this Gilbert on Tunein sixty four. I was supposed to go Catholic. High School dance and my best friend loved. It was under the Beatles already meet the Beatles. I said it sounds like not interested and so he made me stand in in my parents home and watch them at seven o'clock before we went and so I watched it and you know my life has changed. I knew exactly at that moment. What I wanted to do and that was being waste management but anyway I looked at. I said I was already musician. I had formed the band in one thousand nine hundred sixty to the nucleus of the band. The panels brothers across the street and I played accordion. You know I played accordion. And we WANNA rock band. I saw that Gilbert Frank. I just said that's it. I'm going to do that and so two weeks later. I went to that Catholic highschool dance. I met my wife so when two weeks in nineteen sixty four. My professional and my personal life was set. Good than I didn't know it happened. Yeah and Suzanne Celebrated Fifty Years Water January we try to but I had poisoning. Oh Jesus yeah we were down in. We were down in Boca. Because I'm old enough now to to go down and we were there and I had dinner reservations. I ate something bad in and so we celebrated our fiftieth not that great but fifty years. She's she's she drunker dream. If I ever did see one Brooke agree. She defends me. I don't have to speak. She's been supportive. Don't pick a fight. She's she's Italian like I'm having talion. Unfortunately it's the the upper half but so she's pieces to be you know she her children and her family off limits. So she's been with me the whole time. She loved me before I was anything and at the time. I was actually aggressors. So that's shows you her devotion while but but we've been very raised two kids and they've traveled with us. Dr You there. I'm here she's there. We raised two children from one thousand. Nine hundred seventy six on the road. Three of us at I in a hotel room all the time. So this pandemic child's play. You guys got kids don't you? Do you have kids? I yeah to yeah. Two of US were in row for like three or four years at the very end all the time and you know I. It was testimony to the fact that I can run very fast out that back. I think his first is appointment. Was that you didn't live a life of the rock and roll debauchery. Dennis and his second one was that you're you're not able to actually play the accordion. I can play the according. If you lifted up for me I I I you know I have a brand new video that premiered today on Youtube. It's called to the good old days. It's a duet with Julian Lennon. Beautiful Song and it's all old home videos in the kind of stuff The first time I saw it. I said this looks like a Ken Burns Documentary for Christ Sake but it's really very charming and the very last scene is me sitting on the floor bare feet plane and it ends with an accordion on the record. And it's everybody's favorite part and the reason I'm sitting on the floor is because they couldn't lifted up by drag car. Put It on my things. And then I played it and then I put it off. And coincidentally the one guy miserable red is written is the hunchback of Notre Dame anyway. So we're we're going. We're recording this on May eleventh. No one's ever going to hear this. Are they felt well? We're on May eleven so today is the day that the the video dropped. It did right. Yeah okay so so muscle. By the time this is up people can actually go find it. And it's very touching I said to you and I sent it onto. Gilbert Harris yet was very sweet bread and I well Oh going. I'm listening. I'm listening now I noticed an interesting similarity to you. And the Beatles is like the Beatles stopped touring and wanted to be creative and wanted to do more stuff in the studio yet and we were all. We all have penises After listen those guys are God's should be Gilbert Lennon McCartney were Adam and Eve from which all the rest of US bans were beget. That's just a day really invented. The modern rock band self contain writing songs. Singing them arranging them. The things they did in that short period of time for most of US musicians is unfathomable. You think about it and you go if you take one of their albums. That's like the entire hits of the sticks. Catalog they were you know. Were you a beautiful absolutely okay. Yeah you know. Yeah yeah marketable. What's interesting too? Is that a couple of times with with some of the summer sixes concept albums this in interviews with you you were. You're kind of chasing a beetle thing you you. There's at least three albums you were you. Were trying to do your own. Take on Abbey Road. I was and I failed miserably but we still had success. You know those we made good records and you know a Gilbert. You're very funny man and you're a great comedian. Thank you you know. You have your idols. You looked at Jerry Lewis and say well I'm Gilbert. I'm not Jerry is how you find. Yeah Yeah Absolutely. Yeah you you watch someone and you go. I want to be in the same professionals them and I want to be connected with them. But yeah gotta be my own person. Yeah and so for for me I was trying to. The records. Didn't sound like Beatles records. I was just trying to conceptualize. The way did as directed the band myself. It was what I learned from. The Beatles was as long as you read a great song and make a good record. That's all you need to do. You don't have to fit in one mode one genre and they did everything because if you if you think about Beatle mania as much as I loved it if they stayed there they wouldn't have lasted the way they did and so I remember the first time I got rubber sole and I put it on and it was so different I thought Oh my God. What have they done? They ruined everything. And then after the third listen. I realized it was good by Beatle Mania. Hello the future. That's was just. They were going to do anything they wanted. And so when I was trying to direct my guys my band I thought write a great song. Baby people will come to hear great songs. And that's all I tried to do. And the Beatles swore like influenced by the beach. Boys they were always saying yeah competition. Yeah because they brian what? Brian Wilson pet. Sounds I think that influenced such and pepper. Yes funny same thing happened to me when I when I went to Petsmart Jack so Beatlemania in sixty four was was one impression Dennis but then when you heard rubber sole and sergeant pepper and it blew your mind you realize that anything was possible. Yeah and we were crappy when those records came. We aren't any good at all. We were still just kind of shedding skin. A being a wedding band and we're just getting into the rock and roll and then sixty eight. We got Johnston Leschi one of the original members of six and then J. Y. James Young came in one thousand nine hundred seventy and that's when we really started to come together as a real authentic rock and roll band. But listen if you heard when you heard sergeant but when I heard it I still remember where I was and Jan. The drummer and myself. We listen to it. We went. Oh my God because what? That record said was musicians anything's possible. Do whatever whatever you WanNa do and it was a miracle but I mean unless unless Paul McCartney start sending some residuals. I'm not GonNa talk about him anymore. I WanNa talk about that banned. The early bed I the trade winds. And then what you guys you change your name after that you became what w four. Yeah what was glad venues where you guys playing Dennis? You're playing weddings. Parties mostly weddings in those days on plenty. Barbara's we yes. Sure bigger forgot it. Here's the one I know. I'm sorry the wind has many Jewish people in our community. As the center Santo Padre so sticks was basically a cover band. Yeah in the in the worst possible sense. We're we're covering songs from the thirties. Forties and fifties. We became a rock cover band later. That's why because signed because we were very very popular in Chicago at imitating bands and then we started trying to write our own music. I like the part of your career. You say you guys Played Potato Salad. I the very first show we played was in a show three kids in a corner at a wedding a lot of sweaty women in the kitchen and they gave us. Fried Chicken and potato salad. They Fed us and that was it. It was seriously it was my my parents. My parents friends Dora got married. Didn't have a lot of money. And so they sent command. Kids play but it was. It was the chance of a lifetime and I saw picture all these pictures of me throughout my life this video. And there's a picture of me and I saw this picture and I saw an expression on my face. I rarely see I looked at my. I didn't recognize myself. It was abject fear before we went to play and I was thinking. Oh my God can I do this? You know try to entertain all these people you perform for food in those days. Skilled at some point year is not not only did I get food. Didn't get money and you didn't get food. One time waitress slipped me a potato and they yelled at her. She almost got fired. Yeah you couldn't get food. You couldn't get a glycemic Sodhi at to pay for it. Here's the thing Gilbert when you need stuff no one will give it to you. Once you become famous everybody wants to give you things. Yeah it's like the richer you become unless you have to buy. I know it's great and I like that just going through a little. Go ahead honey honey honey. They make sure we stay rich. I like getting shit. Tell us about wooden nickel and I did a little research into the record. Company wouldn't nickle. Jerry Weintraub was one of the partners the legendary Jerry Weintraub in wouldn't Annette Scouts saw you guys playing and I met him. We met him once he was in town for led Zeppelin and Elvis had been there. He was he was the manager of both the promoter and he was he was a character we spent like about fifteen minutes with them and I respected him. He was a smart guy but the record company itself wooden nickel think about that. That's do it. Do I have to define it after that? No Iran. Yeah they were they were embezzles and tell us the story about how lady became a big hit. All Right Gilbert. I wasn't a songwriter and most of the singing. I'd I had what happened every earthquake. Yeah Yeah what was what was that? I have no idea your face lit. So wouldn't nickle scouted you guys to a record deal okay. So the first the first album. I didn't really have any songs that I had written by myself or that I actually sang by myself I had written so I wrote this song for the end of the first album called Lady. I played it for the producer. And he said we'll save that for the second album so the second album comes out and I it's on there and it's released. It's a stiff. It's just nothing ZIP bacchus. No not don't like you don't care for your for your piano. Playing sucks so for the next two years. I thought I was the reverse of Sally feels that they hated me. They really hated me. I didn't understand that it was business involved so two and a half years after it was released. Wls Very big POPPA powerful radio station in Chicago we were going up to promote our fourth album called Manitou Mirror Matt America me and my Buddy Jiahua ruin. There can just leave an album because they'd ever saw people at Gus. They were too big. We were not important. We said Hi. We're sticks we leave this album and he said Oh. Come to this way. Jim Smith who like to talk to you as the program director which means he decides what music being played. We walk in and we said. We're industrialist in this big room so he comes out we give the says the of from this. He says tonight at eight o'clock. I'M GONNA play John and John Records Land Dicker show. I'M GONNA play lady wants tonight because I think it's a hit. He did that Gilbert. If he didn't do that you'll never heard of me and I will not be unknown show today so through my entire life. I knew the difference between success and failure was so ephemeral. You just don't know how it's going to happen. And they he played it. And that's what happened. I became a hit and then we went on record a bunch of albums. It was great concern to that time. So you kids out there. I can tell you is you. Just don't know the only thing you can do of. Lyrica of one of my songs was winners or losers. Who got up and gave it one more. Try If you don't keep getting up Gilbert you know this because people are going to suck you in the jaw because they they don't want to admit you're any good they're going to tell you you stink until the minute. Something good happens for you. Then they're all going to say we knew it but they didn't know nothing so to be successful is really about perseverance isn't it yeah absolutely I been onstage time having people yell you start usually family match. You know. There's a lot of stories like that. Denison music history that we've had guests on the show. It of told stories like that. Haven't we guilt where one. Dj Fell in love with a song and it was determined to to push that record. Right before I lose my voice Moose a moment Lou. Thank you wonderful. That was the first song I ever wrote and sang by myself on a record and I wrote it wrote about my wife so I've had a lot of luck writing songs about my relationship with my wife and and she's only taking seventy percent off the back end. I general was that the first one you heard played on the radio. Was there a moment we asked to that? Have been on the show. Janice that mobile where there it is. I heard one of her first songs on the first segment and played little bit on a radio station. It didn't matter I have to understand. Wls was the most powerful radio station in America located in the center of the country. Fifty thousand clear. Watch CHANNEL BROADCASTS. Deter you from From Denver all the way to a little rock so to get on that station it was a miracle so when he told me that I went home. We're in this little house that we lived in my wife and I and eight o'clock we. There was a little radio. Top of the frigerator. We thought this can't possibly happen and it came on and it was. I just got the chills right bill thinking about that moment and we danced in the kitchen right there. A little kitchen really uneaten kitchen and everytime something good happens we have to run to a kitchen and dance. It's just like a tradition. We you know because it was like man it was that what was the first time you're on tonight. Show Gilbert. What was that like? I was never on the tonight show with Johnny Carson. Neither was Jay Leno. Yeah same with me I did. I did a lot with Jay Leno on there. They use that me mainly for those sketches and the beginning of this show. Oh yeah not because well look. It's you know. Look at guys like you and me in a new to frank up we get it dream right. Whatever it is and we're ambitious because I always think this is crazy is dig into deeper. I think people like that were really hard and are driven and ambitious are trying to please somebody who can't be pleased. It's probably a mom or a dead. We know who they are if you laid out on my couch. We'll do an hour but deal is from me. I played accordion. I wanted to please my mom so bad so when when when dream come true even even the smallest sense you know you think. Oh my God it happened. I'm going to feel different. I'm going to feel better and special and you know what you don't you feel the same. So what you have to do then is your pie. Let another dream because you keep setting goals for yourself so but the first time I saw lady never ever forget it sold lady heard lady. I'll never ever forget it to this day. If I'm driving someplace and one of my songs comes on the radio I make myself sit in the car until it's over with because I'm afraid it'll end if I don't oh that's cool. I heard so many stories about comedians actors erling up going out seeing a Vaudeville shore movie and then acting it out for them mother. Yeah sure when Jerry Lewis Stuff I was. I just wanted attention get I want. I wanted the approval in love of of apparent. That's what it is and and my mother. She loved me and I was. You know Boy this getting deep anyway. The thing about my mom was. She loved me dearly but I all her dreams. A were in my basket. If you know what I mean I was everything to her and I didn't want to disappoint her. Parents were both death so she up on a house where no one spoke and she shall we start my singing ability. Was the universe giving back to the role of family. You know so I could sing and play music and that wild success that she gets to see Dennis O. Plenty though she saw plenty yeah good. Yeah that the guys in the brothers. They're dead died like the year before things broke which was. Yeah because you know. We think we're doing it for ourselves but come on Frank. Who is it mom or dad? You want one of them. Well trying to make my mother because she was depressed there. You go which we've heard a lot on this show I yeah. A lot of Comedians have come on and told us that they got into comedy because they were trying to cheer up or one parent or the Gene Wilder. I entertain his mother. Jan Murray A bunch of them tons. Yeah Yeah of course. You know the great motivator. It is ellison everything you know. My mom was. She was a hard taskmaster but the truth of the matter is I wouldn't have what I have. You know if you have perfect parents that are very encouraging and loving at all times and everything you do good. You'll never amount to nothing. I you know what a little a little context to forgetting that Song. The radio a dentist your guys. Your backs were to the wall. I mean you'd had what four albums at this point. That weren't getting any traction. That's it we are at a record that was it. It was attorney boy but one came came at the absolute right time. Yes and I was. I was teaching school. I taught school for three years. And then we got a record deal. So here's what here's why. I'm a little different. Gilbert is because I had a wife and a baby girl before I hit a record deal so I had all this responsibility and you know I like to think that my parents raised me. Good to to take responsibility for the people around you and so the whole doing drugs and alcohol serve. It didn't interest me. It just didn't know numb. Everyone shut off the radio now. Yeah you didn't use drugs or get laid. No this connect to actually quick. Somebody get Ralph Edwards in here. But before before we get off those early albums dentists explained plexiglass toilet which I know became a favourite of weird. Al Yankovic doctor. Demento doctor Demento and then weird out yeah well the thing is it was Jaycee. John Searle Leschi. He was the original one of the original guitar players. And he just bought his wacky Guy was whack it was whack the guy and he said what do you think it is and I said you know. We're all jerks. I said okay. We'll do it but when we put it on. The album is not listed. It's the intercut without any listening track. Yeah and I play. I only did at one time in my whole life. It was in the studio. We did it with a bunch of friends and don't sit down only plexiglass toilet said bud clean with Megan dies for everyone and don't sit down on D. plexiglass toilet frank. Alexa God did you. No one has ever got me to do that. We pride another song we could thank your wife or your is Babe. Yes the story goes like. This was her birthday nineteen seventy-nine she's supported me. I thought outrage song but is your. Is Your Wife Listening? I was just trying to get trying to get out of buying jewelry anything so I sit down. I wrote this song and call up the peninsula. You guys do a demo with me. I want to give this to her. Employer played her at a birthday party. Nothing else was not for sticks so they said Yeah we go. We do the demo. No Guitar players are there. So don't Bernie Guitars on it and I sing all the background harmony parts. Nobody's GonNa hear it that. Who gives a shit? Nobody's going to hear it. In fact I wrote it. I run it on the grand piano. We got into the grand. Piano was out of tune so there was a fender Rhodes in the corner. And and Bobby whiteside. I don't know who is but it was his. They rolled it out. I'd never played one and I want you know we're just started noodling and enrolling tape so I did it. I gave it to my wife. Everyone into party went. Oh my God. Oh my that doesn't suck as much as we thought so People started saying we love this song. We love it. I was just for her for nobody and the Demo became the song you've heard on the radio for forty years. I always harmonies are missing in by myself. We were so afraid to change that record. All we did was Tommy show came in and play the Guitar Solo. That's the record. So that's why there's no guitars on it. Otherwise if I brought it to sticks we have said in the room and recorded it much differently and so it was just dumb. You know the best kind of luck dumb stupid. And that's what that was so it was for for her and it went on to win the the People's Choice Award for best song which was pretty. How how different would it have? Benefited ministicks have been a power ballot. Yes been market-driven and I would have cost have to guitar players. Know Okay. Must Straw headsets up. Like you know these headsets. But I can't hear myself playing take about yet get here. Nothing appreciate that you did that. We will return to Gilbert Godfrey JR amazing colossal podcast. After this deal. I WanNa talk to you about a brand new sponsor key week. Oh key we call do. We have seldom seen something as cool for kids. 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You can cut this part if you want all right because I was thinking Gilbert whenever I think you the first pop into my mouth in never gonNA guess. I'll why Catherine Zeta Jones. I am so thank you. Here's the here's the thing about you buddy. Sometimes comedians say things were thinking right and say things. Nobody's thinking and his. I got the hell. Did he get that Hilbert? Did you see the documentary? Is that where you came up with you? You saw that Catherine Zeta Jones Lang. Who Me No. I used to sneak in when he was rising star down. What is this frank? What now Frank? I have to reveal my source. Your after your enough to reveal your sources. Tell tell us about some of the you guys open for and backed up in those days because it was everybody stevie wonder and Queen the Dube's Genesis and Frank Zappa and you you like to say in those days that sticks was always the bridesmaid. Always the bridesmaid never the bride and played in front of all those bands. We were there on tour with an either side the cherry pickers with Texas Longhorn on one side you know and they had a buffalo on the other. The backstage area was a bit rank but I think they came in. Stop that because they're not supposed to Abel's animals up there. We played with Aerosmith that we're at the famous aerosmith show in Philadelphia where somebody through an mad on the stage. Right Steven Tyler and boom stopped the show. I was literally sitting in seats behind and I saw it and I said time to go tech say. Wow Wow yeah so yeah. What's the what's the story about opening for? Stevie wonder or backing stevie wonder and you you decided to go out into the audience do like Baptist minister stick how we can cut it if you don't want to tell it no it's first of all we got booked stevie wonder that's the story in itself what time we were going through our Glam period where we had all these sparkly tops bell-bottoms platform shoes and you know and the audience was at a college in Illinois and the audience was like well expectedly seventy five eighty percent. You know African American and I thought what are we doing here? So we start playing. This music has nothing to do with the audience. And we're thinking oh boy. So there's just one thing children in the land and so we're to rock and roll song and back in the club days. I used to do kind of a rebel rousing. Crowd-pleasing Lakers preteen and the raccoon second backroom tiger and all that kind of crap right to keep the drunk happy and so suddenly. I felt so desperate. I run off the stage in the audience with the MIC in my hand. And I'm doing my rap to this this black audience and soon as I was out there. I said this is the biggest of now. That's a great one. I like the ZAPPA story to how he was threatened by you guys so we only three. Mike's I don't know if he was threatened. Here's what happened. Was that the Kiel Auditorium and Saint. Louis Frank was know he was frank and nobody told Frank. There was an opening act. Oh dear and so it was the right around the same period. Here come these these. What's wrong with those guys that they think they're David boy? That's what we looked like and we go up and for the soundcheck in Zappa's furious burs the promoter on his dog to use son of a bitches. There's no there is no being at my all right. So he decided Kiel Auditorium. Ten thousand people and he decided he was only give. Give us three microphones. No amplifiers were no drums amplified. Now you have no idea what this sounds like a so. We played the whole show with basically you hear three singers. In this rural that would be the music and three guys singing and so at the very end they were doing and and like fourteen months later. Our album broke equinoxes and we went down there and sold out the Kiel Auditorium ourselves. But these things happen once in a while and frank was. He wasn't really mad at us. He was mad at the end. I think you've said that rock and roll is dead now off sloops. He's been dead for. Its dead in this way. Not THAT PEOPLE WANNA play it. Young PEOPLE WANNA make it instead in the fundamental mechanism by which rock music was always. Delivered was through. Radio and rock. Radio's is disappeared. They don't play new music. They'll play people like sticks classic rock but they don't they don't have new new rock stations almost none because pop is king right now. You know you've got one persecute and they go into any produce some and they have thirty dancers. Nothing is all entertainment. If people like it I who might just say don't like that. By short as we know right now entertain yourself if you like it. You like it but rock and roll as a viable source. Gone Dead talked to Gene Simmons. Get HIM ON. He'll say he'll tell you you know we were lucky. I lived at the greatest time in the history of mankind. Be MUSICIAN THAT PERIOD. Sweet spot never never before and I'm thinking ever afterwards as as many musicians have the opportunities that we had to that whole period to make to have long and fruitful careers. I was lucky. Birth was there when no Internet no distractions you know Gilbert a dead time frank. Music was everything to you. You got the albums you looked you read absoulutely immersed liner notes if you could have got porn on the Internet phone. We're out of there. A how it was a great time was the time of top forty radio deejays with personalities and it was a golden age of radio as well as it was well as rock and roll the good guys. I'm at one stage W. MCA mass yes. You knew each one. Were you friends? Yeah and you guys are both from New York. Yeah Yeah Yeah. We grew up with cousin Brucie. And those guys and sure Harry Harrison and Ron Lundy and I think I don't want to sound like three guys sitting on the beach in my ninety sitting on Miami beach talking about blood pressure but they were lucky Because if we start if anyway denigrate the music of today then you know you sound like Dean Martin. Did the first time you saw the rolling stones. The change was coming. You weren't GonNa stop it same thing now. People like pop music. We can't stop them. That's a rather rather ugly moment when when the stones were on that the Martin thing any I know I know exactly what you're referring to yeah I was mocking. Well it can you imagine Dean Martin and Mick Jagger. That's just goes to show you the human voice a- person's voice away it sounds when you're seeing is so subjective. How can how can millions of people? Like Mick Jagger. Andy Martin odd. Yeah and I heard you talking about your favorite singers and this this this connects to something. We've talked about a lot. Gilbert I you talking about favorite singers and you said as much as you admired somebody like Sinatra. You don't want to hear Sinatra attempting a rock song or or even a pop song. Because he wasn't he wasn't it wasn't a suited for it and it brings to mind of course Gilbert our favorites Sinatra's cover of Mrs Robinson. Yeah you coo Coo Birds Mrs Robinson reminded me of when you were talking about your favorite singers about McCartney stevie wonder Elvis everyone you'd see like not even with music like with. Can you see like Bob? Hope do one of his specials any dress up like a hippie. In one part you go. Ooh He don't don't to hurt. It was quite authentic striving out of their lanes. Yeah well trying to make a buck. Yeah here's here's a good question from a listener for you. Dennis from Ray Garton. Can Dennis tell us the one big negative thing about being a Rockstar that nobody warns you about advance probably wreck contracts contracts Be Be careful what you sign when you're young you know you'll sign anything because you want the opportunity and those things always come back the cause havoc in your life. So that's the most important thing the rest of it. When I was in the heyday of all that stuff it would be pretty tough. The fine any real negative except for the fact that you had to constantly in motion and you had to be like a comedian. You've gotta be when you walk out there. You know this Gilbert. Nobody gives a shit. If you don't feel good they don't care what's going on you're there you know to please an audience and that starts out joyous but after a while its job it really is job. No the dream is any dream is always better than the reality of the dreams I think show business became a job for all of us a long time ago. Y'All absolutely I think it's fair to say well it's like I love when people say to me out. What are you doing times when you don't WanNa be funny and you don't WanNa tell and I think well they're you know if you work in a grocery store and you don't feel like working in the grocery store you still have to go there? That's right and we're lucky though. I mean look what we're doing on people assign far too much credibility and love to us. Who Do this thing? They don't know us. I wrote an album in seventy seven called the grand illusion which dealt with the same problem right told the audience clearly. Don't be fooled by the radio. Tv magazines we create an illusion to divert people so they can be entertained and you know help them not be so like right now. Perfect example the universe is not. They don't get it. I doesn't care about us. Universe doesn't it's about repeat wash and replenish change and we don't want to think about that and so they see it. Let's go see Gilbert tonight. He'll make us left. Let's go see Dennis today. He's going to sing a song and we'll feel better. That's what we do and I used to think it was frivolous bullshit but now that my audience is in their sixties. They'll tell me just how much what I did for. A living made a difference in their life and I think how did that happen? I was just trying to beat. Aerosmith within Queens. Yeah I had people come up to me and say you know when my brother or my mother was dying. We would listen to our recordings of your comedy bits. And it's like you go. Oh my God I thought I'm doing meaningless. Shift someone's dying. They put on the Aristocrats Gilbert. Does that had to set your mind? What they said how much it meant to them Gilbert. We know each other well enough right now because I want to ask you a question. Okay she never leaves his side. I I okay. Listen this is. This is a question. Many people in the audience dying been dying to ask you what is what does this sound like when Gilbert Godfrey whispers sweet. Nothings in you. How does he? He has a whisper. Dentist would would you like doing imitate me which reading Dr Aware I go over the last three guests have done impressions of you. I like to turn everything over to me Dennis. Talk about your sense that we put it in the intro your sense of the theatrical and your desire to create concept albums for sticks I mean I mean albums like the grid allusion and and Paradise Theater idea driven. Do pain that kind of stuff. Well look. It's show business. I think rock and roll is entertainment and for me. I think early on. Don't don't laugh. I really did like Dean Martin. I thought there was something about him. He we we love it. We would laugh. Have Hey he he always made you feel you are in on the joke and make you feel at ease. He definitely seemed to have the ability to not take himself seriously and I always loved that he wasn't a real entertainer and believe it or not. Some of my nonsense I do on. Stage was a combination of Anthony. Newley I loved Anthony Newley as the House and I think about it all this right but he headed down to it. Felt right and then along came guys when I was just beginning to become a lead singer. Joe Cocker the incredible face maker himself. And so you kind of take all those things and they become a persona now Freddie. Mercury for instance. This also been you know rightly categorized as very theatrical. But I was doing that stuff and seventy two and the first queen was in seventy three. I was doing without the eight. But still you know it's show and I what I did for sticks many times our lighting designer who became Bruce Springsteen's L. D. And still to this day. After sticks broke up jeff rabbits he went to a theater school northwestern and headed degree and we and he he and I would talk about the theater. The screams where the lights move how to light things to make them look theatrical. Not like on meet me in St Louis Theatrical but just drama and so we we incorporated a lot of this stuff and really. I have to say this Alice Cooper. We went to see him. We are on the road. And I'd never seen him seventy three seventy summerton and his show was an goodness onstage. The whole thing everything Y- this. He had this giant white screen and a movie projected on he was running late from way. Back here force perspective toward the front of the stage like he was coming at. Ya and what you couldn't tell was. There were slits in the screens with a soon as he gets right up to the screen he busts through the screen because it wasn't solid and there he was on stage here. When I love this guy so I love to. I love the theatrics. And if you WANNA go see bands that stare at their shoes. There's plenty of them but when you came to see sticks and we'll show business absolutely. I love those albums for that reason and another thing getting back to on. It always amazes me like like I'll be onstage. Doing comedy and or an actor doing are really dramatic scene. Or You belting out a song how your mind could be like Gee. I wonder what I'll have for late night attack or it's just the way it is an ego out there and people say what's it like when you know. Twenty thousand people are applauding. Said they're not part of it is about me. I better do my job. And they'll do then no react properly. If I've done my job so I go out there. The hardest thing is you know. Gilbert is is when you don't feel well that's always in. It's deadly for singer. That's the thing where you go. And you feel all men you get the the flaps wet but most of the time I've been stations. I was fourteen. I is like walking out. It was like walking into the next room mate. It you just. You're just doing it so and you you sometimes. My mind wanders like what you just said right. I don't do the don't do you asshole funny because after a while you find yourself going on autopilot. Yeah but you know what the difference is. Listen Gilbert. I've seen you you go out there. Autopilot for you is great because you've honed the skill to fake everybody out you've gotta down you. What like once. You sincerity is the key and once you can fake it. You'RE GONNA home. I Miss Those days of rock and roll. Dennis Queen shows stick shows. You know something like the Kilroy was here album. Which would which opened up with the film and the perform the performance. I missed the the the ROC even something like Tommy. I Miss I miss rock operas and end the theatricality in the showmanship of that era of rock and roll. I don't know if we'll see it again. Well truthfully L. Joshua certain extent to these popstars. Now they have thirty people on stage. It's the most theatrical thing I have ever seen I watched the grammys. And there's like who pays all these people. I can't even believe it. They're dancing here. There's there's sweatpants over there I go. This is unbelievable but as far as that goes I mean something I mean something like a story where the contract a concept album and it's and it's and it's it's like a it's like a play it's like a rock play or a rock opera. The kind of things you were trying to do with Kilroy album. Yeah Okay here. We go ready. Oh no punch okay. Yeah look yeah I I had a great interest in in theatricality not in being you know shuffling off the buffalo kind of musical theater but combining rock and roll the power of it with the ability to tell a story and entertain an audience and I was one of my heroes Pete Townsend. Aw Thrill of a lifetime. I went to the opening of Tommy Chicago when he was there at the auditorium. And I got to meet him. I said I owe you money. I've been rip you off for now. Fifteen years I think about it was good. Tarzan come sail away be thousand. I told the guitar players I wrote that he said I I want Pete Townsend here. I did tell them that anyway. He said I know. I know you Dennis. I know you work. I thought you were very bold to try to do that. Kilroy was here thing. I thought those worst when I was so happy. And I said Tell Jiawei and Tommy they hate me. No just kidding. Data need so you know. Look it's entertainment. The album sold a million copies. We should point out to it. Excuse me but it wasn't who but who's counting on that. Maybe fewer albums of a couple of fewer albums than could then cornerstone or the pieces of eight. But it was. It was a big success just to kind of dispel that myth right. I'd like to yes and thank you for helping me what I can't out your when you were saying your Dean Martin. It's so funny. Growing up remember when perform with the jury in one hand and a cigarette and the other was the coolest thing on the planet right. My in my be took that real serious though with dead. She always had a drink in one hand. I hope you're be was underrated by the way. Yeah yeah actually. It was Andy's nonetheless. I say that your listen. I know back in the day our day people would be swigging beer. Jack Berea on stage. They did that. I don't know how they did that stuff. And well. They're all dead. No but I know I love Bon Scott Scott. You don't I send Dan that. Cheat Dad. Td's OAC CDC. Yeah sure sure. Well he was was none other than a fruitcake. I mean the guy was great. He was such a great singer in such a fantastic showman but he would. He had accord of Object Daniels. He just drink it on stage. I thought how. How do they do that? I don't know I do that in rock and roll excess yourself but you certainly witnessed it. I couldn't I was a pussy to I. I was worried about my voice all the time and I sing. I sing a Lotta songs or by myself with no band. No place to hide if you suck sure so I was afraid of. I never liked to smoke anyway but I just didn't and alcohol man dries you out. It's tough I don't know how Sinatra syncs along who unbelievable we Jimmy Webb and Paul Williams on the show and this is interesting too and I was discussing this with Gilbert that you you you say two things you say. The melody is King. The song is king much more so than a lyric but also that songwriters the you believe or born great song. Yeah I think so because I know scores of great musicians who can't really rate songs and I know a lot of songwriters who are just average musicians Irving Berlin. One of the great songwriters of all time was just he was just okay. I'm piano. What makes a great songwriter is. Is still a mystery because songwriting is a mystery? Nobody knows I see that. I have a piano in my in my living room. That's got a bunch of great songs in it. I just have to sit behind it and whack at the keys until one falls out but it's a very very mysterious profession. Ask any songwriter. They don't even know where they come from. When you've said that about lady you don't know where it came from. No I think back. What was I thinking? What made me do that and I don't. I don't know I have no idea it's fascinating Gilbert a great comedians born or are or can they be can be learned. Oh well I don't believe in comedy classes classes. Say but as it is it something that can be acquired over time or is it isn't an H. I think I get the has to be some part of it. That to nate because some people you know it's like anything it's like sink. You could become acceptable at it. You know if you practising enough you could become passable. Sake are I think. You'll birthright the particular with comedy I think I can Gilbert brain. There are their synapses and connections that everybody doesn't have and they just automatically see the world everything that happens. They see the world in terms of comedy of. What's the joke? What's the punchline? I know a lot of people. They don't see it that way. I'm one of those people who's not a comedian. Certainly people think I'm funny. I'm funny because I can sing but the truth is to be funny all the time. I think your brain works that way Gilbert. I think you you didn't learn it born with it interesting interesting theory. Quick question from Dave Johnston. What does Dennis think of the South? Park Eric Cartman. Version of come sail away Go Buddy you got it all wrong. He's got it all wrong so I don't know what South Park is never heard of it and I got go. I get a call and Oh my God I'm doing a seventy-three-year-old thing in my brain is what are the two guys aims to get Trey Parker and Matt Stone Matt's Matt Stone. Sorry Matt what do you expect so I got a call from met stone? And he says we'd like to do come sail away. And I said you're not going to do Barbara streisand. I ended up. No no no. We're fans and he said when I was in eighth grade for first year high school. He had a radio show called the Paradise Theater. He was a fan. I said go ahead have fun. Smartest thing I ever did in my life act not watch this I they. Would they hippest of the HIP right? Sure they did come sail away and the minute they did that. The doors flew open and I would get request after request. We WanNA use one of your songs in this movie in this commercial. We WanNa do it over here. When these people are in the corner singing begging for money we want to do with their. We don't care so long. I've had the most lucrative career because I said Yes to South Park so some people thought was that an insult. No Cart Man. The point is he hears the song he starts singing. And he can't stop till the end that means it's memorable is galaxy and so people have misconstrued it into Matt and Trey say thanks buddies man my kids. I should have them write you a letter because you brought a lot of money into the family. That's fun I like. I think a lady turns up in an episode of the office as well. Karaoke a Karaoke version. All over the place I think. What do you call it will Farrell screams? It he's drunk in a wedding band. Yes it's been it's been used on Simpson's Adam Sandler Adams agreed guy. He's a real fan. What I can't hear you because on my wife feeling together room. What Oh. She's yelling. She's yelling other other shows and movies that I have you guys. Got Me where newseum off. I can't hear anything John Tell. Tell us. Tell us about getting Julian leading on the new album. Because you didn't you didn't know him just you just you wanted. You wanted to wanted some kind of connection to the Beatles who had inspires you so many years ago. Yeah so I wrote a song for night to sing and I did a demo right at this piano. I just wrote it. I thought what would it be like Jewison? I sang and I wrote it and I just send them the demo. I thought I'll never hear from this guy and I get a message. I'd be honored my God. What about the so? Yeah so I went to New York and we recorded it Brooklyn sound and I came back and I finished the record and I. Can't you know a giver to be like Jerry? Lewis decided? He wanted to do a comedy with you. It's not the same thing I mean. This enjoying this is the greatest. But you know what? I'm sayin' average this. Yeah don't expect. Don't you still think you're you're you're you're you're you're somewhere underneath everything you're you're not worthy of people's attention somehow you're always right their idea that you`re? I'm still an Italian kid woods and accordion in a Dream People Dennis. You're the greatest and I say I can only feel like I'm that kid with the accordion in. Please love me other. I don't get it but anyway I always feel like showbusiness is a party. I snuck into and any minute. Someone's going to go of with a clipboard. And say your name Snot on our guest list. Yeah get Outta here. What are you doing in here right? Yeah so that's that's it. I can't shake debt. And maybe that's I think it's good if you if you still have a desire to be the best you can be and you still have some self doubt. Because that's what makes you good well. We had Bruce Stern on this show and bursts turn I mean he. You know a billion movies. He's been acting. God knows how long and he said that. Every time he gets a performance his his goal is to be a better actor. And you figure how much better can you get pick up? That kind of thing comes up a lot. Is this workmanlike? Artists are still. They're still doing it. They're still plying their trade and trying to get good. He got two hundred fifty movies later. He's trying to get good. Yes yeah so I you sent me the you sent me the video Gilbert Adair. Assad as well too. I thought the song was so sweet to the good old days and it reminded me what was interesting about it is it reminded me a little bit thematically at emotionally of of of in my life rubber sole what. I was thinking when I wrote it was how do I pay tribute to these giants with without seeming like some Leach? I had to be very careful could have produced the record so billy because I had I had Jones's voice there for God's sake he sounds like his dad but I avoided all that I just said You. Don't do that. You go with the Song. It's kind of a combination between my life. Let it be day in the life in a. Lopiano stuff but I didn't go hog wild on it because I wanted it to be a song for Jewison I was. Oh listen to that. For Goodness Sake he's being his dad and Dennis is just a pupil face so but that's my family it wasn't supposed to be there video Was supposed to be Jewish and I were going to sing it on and slightly conceptual than the the pandemic hit. He ended up in in Europe. I ended up here so you know. I told my house apart looking for old home movies and photos because they had to do something the I think it works. It's very touching love it. You're not gonNA love those are those are all people. I loved in there to put my friends and family and the original. Three guys that formed sticks. They're in you know it makes me very emotional and people are responding the same way. It makes them emotional. And I'm not ashamed to say if I make people cry and they spend money I mean and the song it opens. The album could not be any more different with all due. Respect is a a rather rather angry song. Got To play dead for Gilbert. That's for him. I'm going to play that for Gilbert. Oh my God. Did you ever heard that you'd jump to the screen and give me a big kiss. I wrote she sent me and the album. Drops on May twenty second. It does or sorry. May Twentieth is it. May Twenty Twenty s May Twentieth No Dragon Twenty seconds. Twenty seven twenty seconds so okay. We'll fix that in the opening and people have to find a video and tell us about what she did recently. Dennis tell us about the youtube videos that the first one that you just made as a Lark playing the best of times right in the red in your living room and the reaction that you got that knock you over. People were saying that you that you didn't expect my fan base. Both of them were writing in. And saying you've got to do one of these these home home needy celebrity videos and thought go I and they reminded me of the content of best at times where I saying when people lock their doors and hide inside room to stand up paradise. Okay I went put the IPAD. Read up here out of tune. Piano can't get it tuned and I think that's the times to a friend because I don't have it. Put It on Youtube. He stuck it. I knew to in the next couple of days. We'll have a million views like three and a half four weeks. I am Not Lady Gaga. I don't get a million views like that. It happened and it just opened. You know everyone's calling me. There's extra wants to talk to me. It's you know access. Tv Boom. Rachel Ray. All these people are calling because I just did that little thing and the comments. I wish everyone in the world could be the commerce seven thousand of take bread almost all of them it. They are the the kindness the sweetest most loving comments that when I read them. I don't know who in God's name they're talking about. I see my name in there but they have now attributed things to me. That doesn't make any sense so But I wish everyone could just take their name and stick it where those people said those things about me and I don't have that kind of fans this isn't that false. Have a million people at my beck and call but they went there and he did that and he's still don't know how that happened but it happened. Then I did another one hundred thousand people and we. It does make sense because if I tour all year all year right. I'm lucky to play in front of seventy five eighty five ninety thousand people and you explain it to me but is crazy but I just have to say. Thank you to everybody that that that did for me. I'm GonNa work on trying to feel worthy the for what I saw. We had you yet. We want to thank our Jeanne Salomon to for health for helping to To get Dennis on the show Gilbert Cillian is. Are You my mother? My mother was Lombardo the hand and she was the saw. She's ninety three. Oh yeah you know how to make us affiliate Omelette tell me steal the eggs anyway on my father always thought he was slumming that he was marrying down Maringa Sicilian woman. Before we booked you wait we saw you saw doing the best of times on on Vk. How the hell is this guy is such great voice. You just sounded like it did twenty five years ago. I don't know don't ask me that. Two people ask me. I say it keeps asking me. I don't know I took care of it. You know but really it's dumb stupid luck to some point that's just it. It's also and I know this go. No I was GONNA say. I know this is a delicate thing but I don't know how sticks isn't in the Rock Hall of fame. I mean journey and kiss and Russia. I mean you guys you know certainly belong in that company and rise above some of that company. In my opinion I don't I just don't understand it. Darris nodding in the background stick stick's an influential act. Darah did they allows cursing on this program. Please I've loudly I just want I'd like to. I'd like to quote Mex- Pella stock. Fuck around this town. It'll happen Dennis. I believe it will happen. So how how are you and sticks getting along? Nowadays we haven't spoken in twenty one years as only two guys in the band really so there's three of us when they replaced me when I was sick in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine There was just the three of us left now the Bass player Chuck. Oddly on this day. You ask me this Gilbert. I have all these photos of the original band. So sweet. Three little kids would their tuxedos and bow ties looking at complete asshole smiling and I reached out to chuck the Bass Player and said Chuck got these photos. I really liked the used these from our from our youth and he told me will beg about Montague should absolutely Dennis go ahead. We hadn't talked in twenty years and so I sent them the video this morning and he wrote me said he said it's just so beautiful. Thank you love Chuck and John? We love each other. We were like brothers and things happened sometimes crazy things but the three of us were with thickest thieves and so I haven't talked edge Jiahua Tommy incredible long time but look. I love those guys. I'm not mad at them and there should be one more tour one more reunion tour. I've been saying in from about five years. Should be the fans for the fans. I don't need the money kids. I'm telling the truth. No there's nobody can be standing at the stoplight trying to sell your sucker in my behalf but I just want to do one more time. See thanks to the fans way with by an exit. That's what I WANNA do. But so far no soap but nonetheless you know admitted album. I have a career. You know. I'm a lucky guy just to have what I have. It's nice. I hope that reunion comes on stage at the rock and Roll Hall of fame. And but I'm going to be the first I want on the you guys in on this. I just got a call. A few minutes ago is going to be reunion. Paul Ringo and myself speaking of the Beatles this is just a little fun trivia. Note fifty years ago today the long and winding road was released but let the final Beatles. Single was the inspiration to a song. I wrote on cornerstone call first time and I think I told you the story real quick. There's there's strings commend. You know change. I loved the song and ruled first time and I put that same kind of string thing in first time and then I find out three years later. Paul McCartney hated those strings Phil Spector. Put them in there and he didn't know he did it. So here I'm imitating Paul McCartney and he hates it didn't you weren't you. Mccartney at the end of babe or my crazy who okay okay. Of course he's now now. Here's something I like to put. Every singer songwriter on the spot. Can you remember like US Song? That was the worst song you ever wrote that. You're embarrassed by several Edward Gilbert. After lady was a hit wasn't ahead because that album had five songs of seven songs. I wrote five of them. That and it was rejected heartily. I thought they don't like be so I tried to be somebody. Also the next I wrote a song about a pirate than wrote a song called the Grove of Eglinton. I listen to this. This is how stupid people are. I'm talking about me my friend Dave. I think he had penthouse magazine and Penthouse Forum. Bright and he. I thought I read in there. That in Victorian England the reference to a woman's privates was the GROHL that Egland team off stop. The Music Song called the Grove Egland team and it sounds like it's about one thing I say in the Global Berglund team just south of Man's delight. I like boobs so Sumi so just south of bands. Delighted straight down a could you that for us. It's been too long Brian. Never let's plug this album. Dentist Twenty Six East Volume. One and decisive good won the title has to do with what it was the address of my parents home where the band was founded in my basement in nineteen sixty two. Three three locomotives on the cover on the way to the stars and representative of the three guys that three mooks who founded the band. I hope there's a I do hope there's a reunion and soda millions of other people. Hey guys listen Gilbert and frank you guys are the I do these interviews all the time. It's been a blast to be with you guys. Honestly I usually by just Oh God. Someone stopped me. Genuine love and affection for the people we invite on here done. So thank you for doing it. I appreciate it. And because you're the world's biggest blazing saddles fan. Which told the CO writers Andrew Bergman Norman Steinberg? And they're very flattered. You could take us up with a little bit of the French mistake. And how's that on your hips have out of Hawaii? Yes it had it memorized. I DID GO I. I had it memorized. Five years ago I did is. Danger is Iraq audience and I did it right and the people had an expression on their face. That said I want my money back. I told you Gilbert. The man brought slim pickings on. Yes flow into Buffalo. Yeah we we hired slim and Burton Gilliam Mr Tiger Burke Ilya. Yeah Burt and they came up. Last show of our Paradise Theatre tour. It was a blazing saddles party and we had long table. Set up for the whole crew and everybody header Kubwa Hanson the Red Kerchief and beans for dinner. We got to sit and shoot. The Shit was slim for for about two three hours. It was glorious and at the end of the show I brought slim out and he came out and he talked to the audience. It was unbelievable. Harry is in front about fifteen thousand people. I don't know if the kids even Allie. He was great he was he was the best. We had just such a ball. I Love Mel Brooks Love. Wasn't we love him? I don't know what. Stranger Gilbert a slim pickens on stage with sticks or knowing or nine somebody. Tell me my when somebody tells me my ass. Was this big knowing that sticks was partly inspired by Anthony. Newley at blow. Tony was alive. Twenty was alive to hear by kind of fool. Emma Dennis here a blast and a lot of fun and the album is twenty. Six East volume. One we can't wait for volume to please keep writing songs. Don't retire thank you guys and keep doing at. Keep doing those youtube videos. Won't you please? I will do that and we will send you the feedback to this one as well which we know. We'll be wonderful so we WANNA thank Gino again we wanNA thank Suzanne for her Her helping her shouting off camera her iphone and our and our pal John Murray who a makes the trains run on time. Well they have been Gilbert Godfrey Amazing Colossal podcast with my co host Frank Santo Padre. And we've been talking to the one rock and roll star. Who Never got delayed? He never even got a hand job. Tennis young thank you. The blast don't talk like five seconds out never again to cry and be shed only draw. Thank my stars then. We'd gums rising up against the today. Though there maybe glass span still a good come too so we'll go that way. How could stay SANE YOUNG SO SAFELY INSANE? Framing tomorrow seem so pathway come to Spain this small the good the ones we saw the labs and you slim to me Cyberspace n'etait but the Mary can may we all the and still my friends. I'll say goodbye to claim Bra using never use. Just listen. Close your well.

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PMS 2.0 007 - Eric Weddle, Mike Florio, & Joe Thomas

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0

1:33:16 hr | 2 years ago

PMS 2.0 007 - Eric Weddle, Mike Florio, & Joe Thomas

"Hill. Oh, it is Tuesday, September twenty. Fifth, two thousand eighteen in God at week. Three of the NFL season was a beautiful one, but it wasn't just the football that stole the weekend. A man donning a red golf polo stampeded his way through a golf course in Atlanta to bring Gulf all the way back this see of humanity following him down that eighteenth fairway surrounding the green watching him win his first championship in forever. Mr. Tiger Woods is life is a beautiful thing. I might be wrong here. He kissed that lady. I guess she's been around for a long time said, I love you on there the whole kit and caboodle at least the last year, at least the last year. She's she's been here for the last year. I've seen her tournaments. Yeah, he said, I love you to her. I listen. I was. What is this? Is this what Tiger Woods is doing? Look for tiger. I guess she's a GM of some some restaurant or some building he as down there. So they met through work, I guess, Tigers all wife dot now saying he loves somebody is winning golf games going into the Ryder Cup. I think United States, he's going to dominate Europe just like we normally do. I cannot wait to watch it, but football, football, football, I cannot believe the way this roughing. The passer thing is happening it last night on Monday night football, who was another level who's there was every single play. There was a fucking flag hype about the under. I bet the under because of the rain. Yes. Oh, I bet. The ain't knows primetime I thought fits will get a little tight. I thought that was something that would happen. Would you did happen early in his teammates didn't help them much, but I bet the under. And then all of a sudden the restaurant is hailing fifteen bucks. Spore. Yeah, go score. Please go spore. Then turnover and thank God that go score, go score. Now you've got players coming out, say JJ watt opens by the way when captain America JJ watt. The man who raises forty some million dollars for a city. He's been defensive player of the year. The NFL has put them over and a super whenever he comes out and just goes, hey, he didn't say these words. We basically say, hey, y'all fucking up with as well. This won't be with JJ Watson, you got quarterbacks coming out saying it's stupid, Aaron Rodgers. I think said it was better than him. Tom Brady said it. Well. Well, Tom Brady and the league have a really good relationship. Everyone listens. I liked the way Tom Brady handled that press conference by the way after they lose the patriots might be done. By the way, bought the Connors in here. Can't wanna. God damn game on fortnight. Can't win a game in the patriots are now. They've lost two consecutive games. One did a lions, they're, they're fine. Rob gronkowski was told rob, we're thinking about trading you to the lions in Roku. Motoko Detroit Lions? Yeah, Detroit I quit. On threatened to quit instead of go to Detroit. Now he's spun instead, Tom Brady's my quarterback, but let's see if an LA team was in the LA Rams were in the mix. I wonder if he was Tom Brady, fuck. That was whatever his agents are leaking, that rob is thinking about pursuing a lucrative acting career. Yeah. Oh, by the way, rob singing belly and football for a very, very successful other fucking business before he's ever acted as such good spin zone. But the fact that he almost quit instead of going to Troy and it has to be tough to feel Evan FOX, pretty classic everyone retires in Detroit. You guys are winning though. Yeah. I mean, we're back right now until next week. Did you see? I guess Matt, Patricia. I've been hearing to the players, listen or listening to the players, speak. I guess he's brought a culture in there that they were not used to saying. They said, that's why they said they, he already lost the locker on practice. Let's they're back to our practices by guess he's like a, no. This is like, man, genie, one man Jeannie want that the Browns. He had died rookies going full on Oklahoma drills on Fridays, two days before the game trying to get that like hard Aspen, talented that the patriots have and it doesn't work. Normally, this is why pay Bill Bella checks, coaching tree. Normally doesn't work because everybody's like a dog. You ain't got the resume to fucking Belgium. You say you can't treat us that way, but now it seems that the team could be combined in. Yeah, I guess that he was making them run in. They all hated that just run. Run, run winning changes, everything. Winning cures, everything just like what happened with the Pittsburgh Steelers last night. Now, granted, we talked about a little bit about me Benton the under because of the thing, and they covered by to fuck fucking points. Earthy. Boswell was doing his best to help me out. Jay was I don't know what's going on with boss. That field was shit too. So I mean, there's built in excuses, but Boswell, he seems to be in his own head right now, but he made a couple of good kicks, things like that. But the Steelers, I'm excited to see what happens. It seems like James corner can be the truth. Oh, he came and he was a closer. He was right. Just like what could happen or Cleveland fumbled then now he's earned his less than he's a rookie. Basically he was hold on tight with two hands. I was in a state of depression and another loss probably would've just sent me over the edge. I'm very happy. We don't have to deal with you like that either just by the way, I'd have never experienced you like that and like this morning, Nick him skipping in here, basically, Nick, how're you doing? Great. And it was like seven AM the fucker. Here's one last night. That's all I care about. You guys in the Cleveland Browns have the same record. They've got to feel pretty good, but you got better record than patriots right now. Not a big deal. Those Monday night football downstairs are now this probably never going to deal with the SPN and I don't care to be honest, I, they're not really my Cup of tea anyways or any Moss's layers. Hasselbeck some good friend of mine, but those commentators are absolute dog shit. I have no idea how that is what they choose to put on Monday night football him. I like him. He's the ones by Whitten so bad, and I've hated booger for my entire life. I'm starting to like fucking weird. Man has no personnel him on his little pod by the way, just. Run camera angle behind him. Now it's another to camera angles for him. It's just beautiful. And then they have those soul. Whenever they put tested by weather test scores, bad to you guys say, you think test stores. Good. Everybody says he thinks he's good in college. Well, I think what happens is the college environment is a lot louder that's that can make up for because in the NFL it's not a college environment senators and just a home or a buzz in the background at all time. So in the NFL like the commentaries have to carry the show that's different. It's you have to really do that. I don't think stores good will and he was still always doing like the ten, eleven o'clock, west coast gaming accused never on prime time in college. It's interesting. They made, you know, he made the jump to Monday and everybody seems like the guy his kids are kicker, which I respect a lot. But I think he's dog shit, and I think Jason Witten, they should never put them on TV, maybe have them just speak in that Tom bat, but it's when they put them on. TV looks like he's trying to fight Joe tests. It looks like. Yes, he looked so uncomfortable in now we should give them a little credit. They thrust them into this primetime position when he's never seen on when he's never been on television before, but he looks terrible. He looks absolutely terrified. His mannerisms don't match the words coming out of his mouth. It looks like he's getting ready to grab holding, shake him, and he's just like, yes, I agree. It looks like you're excited, Jason Witten, great football player. I'm sure he's a great human. I'm sure he's a great husband, great father, but he's dog should on TV. I don't know how they have to be looking in the mirror. I this morning just for fun. I put in hashtag and then announcers. Jason wouldn't should not do that. Jason Witten should not search the same thing I search and neither should test. The tour in booger gets a little love there because he's on his own little island, but it's bad. It is better than us and we live in a society that likes bitch about everything, but whatever it is, a tidal wave of humans from both sides of the aisle being like, yeah, this, it's bad. You gotta take a look in the mirror, but they can't do anything about it. No, can't do anything about it. Then made their bed. Now they're gonna shipment to do with will Ferrell tell, you know, and he's flat. It seems like he's gonna fucking bust out of his suit. He's a good looking man, good looking, but he stares in for you watching on YouTube, he stares at Joe Tessa to like this while he's talking in the cameras come in from the side. So he's just staring at him yelling. And then he goes back to the camera, and then he goes back to yelling, Joe Torre. Intesa Tor looks frightened to be in that he's gonna kinda pull it together. And I'm just like, this is fucking terrible TV. This is bad. Bad. It is bad, bad bad. So last night probably the funniest thing I've ever seen in NFL happened when that dude Rainer the fucking wall, shoot. I didn't even wait. Normally, I wait to see if the guys, okay. I didn't even fucking care. Just immediately sent out ELO because I was on my bed, crying laughing, both teams to normally wear them. Just the camera people. They were down there with the lens. They just kind of turn or just like he saw the ball, go flying and you knew airmail and they were both running full speed still out of the back of the end zone six, seven down the warning track. Oh, man. That wall though there's not a lot of giver. I wanna give shout out to the dolphins stadium designed watching the game. There's like three feet from the. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's Jimmy Buffett stadium, isn't it? I think his Jenny land shorts. Slann shorts. Hardrock cafe is it used to be? It still is. I think it was a SunTrust stadium at one point and it was Jimmy Buffett's teams doing bad. If the name of the stadium is just changing like fucking hawk cakes every goddamn here, this team suck, and people are just pulling out with roscoe's tacos. It's like a two hundred, three hundred million dollars sponsorship. Yeah, good for them. Hardrock down for large. That's where it's world wants her face. The lady that had such that the old guy than died. She had a kid, Mark, Anthony, you know, the born lady, the blonde porn star, what's Jenna Jameson? Nope. The she does Anna Nicole Smith. She died in Hardrock cafe in Fort Lauderdale I, I was. I was either in for the way to go there whenever she died. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was a wild scene. I mean, she was sucking old guy off shoes in love, and then she had she had a kid with that guy in Kentucky. You met him in verse. I met him. I, I notice Anna Nicole eighty because I was in the hotel when she died. So I was like, intrigued by. Then she had a kid with this guy in Kentucky, his name, he lives in Louisville. We land in Newark, New Jersey, and he's just standing right next to us in. Nobody has a clue who he is me. I'm like, that's fucking God. Tacos guy that lady, she died. He had a kid. He's the missed the whole thing. Look them up. I Google and I go, hey man, big fan. He's like, thanks. Took a picture with him and then he followed me on Twitter. Now we all each other. How me Nicole Smith baby. Daddy have relationship, so me and that lady have a, that's neither here, nor there. He was a handsome, some victims of short about a billion dollars. Whenever you gamble, there's only one place to gamble, and it's the studio we are in is the mybookie dot AG studio. I bet the under last night very, very heavily, very, very. I had a great weekend too. I had a very good weekend that chiefs money line. We'll talk about the chiefs here in a second that chiefs money line seems to be a very safe bet right now. It's going to be scary numbers minus two eighty s when I got him out. But that seems to be and I had a big weekend. And then last night I hear the weather reports, there's a weather delay. There's some rain. It's prime time, maybe fits is a little tight. The Steelers are in drama over under was like fifty five or something like that. I'm like, oh, that seems that seems real high. So I go right over to my bookie dot AG and I go hammer time on the under you and I'm gonna fall asleep for this games even over. And then by the first quarter, it was like twenty eight, seven or something like not good, not fucking good. All these God damn roughing. The passers. I'm like, this is not a. A good situation. And then I washed the beginning of the third quarter and it kind of slows down and I'm like, you know what? This is one of those games where everybody bet the over in there like they thought it was a lock in. Then it's gonna flip and I'm like, I'm in the good seat now. Now I'm going to see where looks as if I'm gonna lose, but it's in the end. 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This week's beat pen mcthis a redo of the cornhole challenge. They up the over under twenty three and a half. We'll be doing it in the office with cornhole boards that we have here, and I cannot wait for Zito. Zero set me up for failure in Orlando that will never happen again, beat Pat. McAfee, eleven fifty on Thursday. I'll be doing a corner home game in the dome. More real boards rulebook apparently. Well, I don't know. I don't know. We'll find out today. I guess to chart for me. I'm excited about whenever I through the first bag in warm ups before we went on. I was like, all right. This seems right. First of all is soon as you walk in Africa, Orlando, Florida. So you just start sweating, like just immediately sweating. So the humidity is everywhere, then it was windy. So now you got sticky and wind up thinking about, I'm like, all right. So these are going to be sticky and Wendy suck. I throw him a little bit lower little bit harder. So slide in the first toss I do it hits the board in jumped straight up in the air, and then it goes straight back down. I'm like, I've, I don't even know science. Let's that that'd be just because it was sticky it through another one in its springboard off in a close Zito and I'm like, fuck you, man. What are you doing? Zito he just screwed us where to go thirty minutes outside of Orlando to get these boards because he gave us the wrong address. Then the boardroom dog shit zero set us up for failure, but we did survive because. Is my book. You're fair people. I've got a question. What happened to the boards? We had taking him back. We had to take him back and literally we didn't say a word anybody we dropped with their open. We walked in with the boards. We put them down and we just walked fuck, didn't even didn't even say thank you. Didn't even nothing. Just like almost all should've told him, don't don't let anybody would have. I would've tied him to the back of Corey graves Mustang. Try to run me over. That was absurd. It was absurd, wasn't it in the middle of a competition here buddy. Twenty eight. Cory. Yeah, we're fucking in the middle of something here. Bud k. people are gambling. Then he sends out that apology to it was fun and he didn't mean it. Not a single part of that. He was laughing, the hotel to meet heal dot. He is. That's exactly what it is. He's back. He's a villain. He is a villain. That's what he is. Oh, I also love people saying that Zito had the under any break the entire Zito's nowhere. You're smart enough. People are saying Zito anyways, this Thursday limb fifty. My bookie BPM. Max v should be a good time. Hammer, the hammer twenty three and a half. She'll be a lot of fun for sure. I feel real good get in early two because those lines moves currently minus one thirty. By the time at tees off, it might be minus three on the name late until I see these boards. Something to think about something to think about the chiefs will come, be able. They look absolutely unstoppable. So many weapons on that team. Travis Kelsey man who has had a reality TV show k date, trance, Kelsey, or whatever it was. It was terrible. Show the, he would even say it was a terrible show. The man is unstoppable though whenever you have a guy like tyreek hill on the team and a running back, like Kareem hunt and you have this quarterback, who's young who they shipped, Alex Smith's ass outta town for their like, you know, we watch this guy in practice and he just slices and dice us. Andy reads like a hawk Smith, we almost had an MVP run. Never ruled by g get the fuck outta here. You're going to Washington DC. Yup, played for the Redskins and we got this guy. We aren't even remember you were here. We aren't even wanna fucking remember, you're here. Patrick Mahomes is next low. Who would you compare him to? Maybe Michael Vick with more accuracy. I he's because he is he's tall though, so he's tall, he can throw he can decipher defense, and I think you breaks down film and I heard that Michael Vick wasn't the biggest film style. Really. I heard he wasn't. There's been numerous six. I think Michael Vick is even come out and said like, I didn't take it serious enough. I didn't want from what it appears like Patrick Mahomes dialed in. He is a guy who is Dan Orlovsky who has no energy at all. Put put out a video yesterday, deciphering. Kansas City Chiefs, red zone play basically where it looked like a guy was wide open, but it's all because Patrick Mahomes like literally looked off to safety and then like he made it happen. So I think he's becoming like a cerebral quarterback as well. I don't know if there's any comparible stem to Aaron Rodgers. Maybe Aaron Rodgers might be competitive because he's mobile, but he's not running like Vick did. He's not running to like because he can outrun everybody's rights jeopardy. Yeah, exactly. To get open size, don't feel. I think I think he's Aaron Rodgers and like just taller in the arm. He's playing a lot like Carson Winston last year. Like he's escape ability in the pocket and stuff like that, and still being able to find guys downfield just seems like the new prototype. That's what you want a guy, mobile like that. And it's kind of like Ben was back in the day, but to quicker degree, bums will slow. I think everybody's looking for Patrick Mahomes. That's the new. That's the new that might be the new standard is like, hey, we need. 'cause Aaron Rodgers is everybody he, he looks like standard white guy, right? Aaron Rodgers looks like standard white guy. He's not too tall. He's not muscular. He just has an incredible brain and incredible arm. Andy's mobile. So it's like, yeah, we can hope that we find that guy. I mean, there are probably thinking Brogan was possibly being that guy for the Browns, right? Baker Mayfield we haven't even talked about athletes, shorter. We'll talk to Baker. We'll talk to Joe Thomas Cleveland Brown legend about Baker Mayfield here in a little bit that showed us dope by the way, go by that. If you're a Brown fan, I appreciate you supporting the cause and also wearing an incredible t shirt, but he is just he's a guy that I don't think there's many other going to be like him. I think it's going to be very tough to find Patrick Mahomes a guy who can lead by the way they have a mic'd up before games, and he's a real. There's people listening to what he's saying. It doesn't sound corny at all. Either place. Adams put up a video of like win a coach's choice of a captain speaks, but. He's not actually speaker in how everybody like what it's like when James Winston did the heat and thing like there's a difference between actual leaders in then like puppet leaders. Basically, the guys are like today, we're going to leave it on. Patrick Mahomes gave like pre game speech and everybody was listening. I it's easy to see like everybody was listening, what he. He didn't seem fake it. All it seems like he's got, he's got it. And when you have tyreek hill on the goddamn field video game, often they're going to be a lot of shoot-outs because their defense, she trashed too. So that's the only thing that's because slow them down zero, Dustin, great punter. He's not going to be used often though that offense, but his anti Regan do it. Andrew does like is this Andy Reid? And then they're going to somehow something's going to happen. They're going to suck for five weeks and then there's going to be a climb to get in at the end. Is that going to be the standard? Who knows? Who knows if that's last rookie to actually like take over a team like this. I don't think he's a rookie. So he's not. Carson Wentz would be. I think it's actually his third year book good call with that young quarterbacks, doing whatever Carson Wentz came back this weekend by the way like Jesus come out of the cave. Everybody was real excited for Carson Wentz coming down. They were talking as if the because he was just a rookie last year. It always say, just a rookie, didn't incredible job, but they're talking about how Carson Wentz is coming back. The eagles are going to be saved again. Not like they didn't want to Super Bowl without him by the way. This is it was wild to meet here the way they were talking about Carson ones, and it just so happens to be against Adam venit Terry in the Indianapolis Colts. What do you say to your point? She started five hundred last year and then lost one, two, three, four, five, six, six of the next seven. That's exactly that's the Andy Reid move. But Carson Wentz comes back in Carson. Wentz is just this towering ginger who is bumbling around on me and everybody in philidelphia's excited. Excited for his comeback. Nick foles not performing up to task. You want us to Super Bowl. You're the MVP for suppo, but we're going to boost your mother fucking ass. On opening night. The eagles fans went right back to being eagles fans. They couldn't. They win a super. Bowl, he couldn't help it. They just said no more. What have you done for a slightly course wants comes out in ruins Adam venit terriers record-tying day and I don't like it at involuntary. Ties Morten Nansen coming from that. Ask Morton Hamson whenever he got this record Doku barely kick a forty two yarder Viteri kicking seventy yard field goals. Now, still at his old age wearing diapers, probably can't even hold his poop in any more threats in like he's in mid life crisis. He's tying more innocence going to break that record, but Carson Wentz and the eagles. They earn some close games that you wouldn't think during close games coats do not look great in equal. They took him down to the wire, took him down to the wire. There's only likes like the eagles. Yeah, those are very close game. There's only really like to teams Rams in the chiefs that have been looked dominant everyone else's like just shove Mona fucking sack and they're all together. Well, Andrew luck. So Andrew luck. It's pulled out for the hail Mary at the end of the game. And it wasn't really. I mean it was a hail Mary, I guess because it was it was a fifty eight. The bow snap from the opposite four. I five so would have had to be a fifty five yard ball to the end zone. If you throw it from the line of scrimmage, he gets subbed out your Kobe. Perset comes into throw it. He throws it from the forty two. So it's a fifty eight yard ball to the end zone. He makes like seven yards in. I think it's sixty five yard bomb. He throws and then obviously as coats fans. This was a bit alarming because it's not like it's from the thirty. It's not like it's from the thirty five. It's not like you need a jamarcus Russell. Now. Granted Jacoby has a hose, let's not judge him at all. But whenever you have a quarterback coming back from a shoulder injury who sat out a year and a half to rehab, this thing you would think you'd be back in the fact that they pull him Frank right, pulls him. And then Andrew luck afterwards goes, oh yeah, I trust the decision. Jacoby has a gigantic arm like, hey, if Andrew luck is viewing a fifty five yard balls at gigantic arm at one hundred and forty million dollars for concern. There gigantic concern that is a huge concern. Tom Brady, I think at his age. You can hit that throw. If he asked Terry, probably can go out there and throw that ball in. Andrew. Looks like, yeah. I mean, I'll work on getting my arm to throw the ball eighty yards. It's like, didn't need eighty yards. Andrew only needed fifty five fifty six yards here. That is the difference. That was something that scared me as a coach fan a little bit shakes. Your confidence is a colts fan for sure. Yes. If he doesn't have confidence in that arm, then I have zero but also like defenses. See that. Yes. So now they can just fuck. Yes. Yes. All underneath. It's like. Yes, it's like. The day sub him. They sent him out for fifty five yarder. Let's bring a safety up into the box. Let's go ahead and this box up. It don't matter if they trade for Levy on bell or not, which is boss, boy guess now it's dealers are thinking about it. He can't get over the top of us. He can't get it over the top us at all. He can't hit it back shoulder ball if you have to because you have to be able to have a little heat with that. Everything is going to be dinking dumped. That's Gary to think about. I think Andrew luck looks good physically, but that whole that whole thing that happened there at the end was very much I opening. I was like, whoa, wait a minute, a fifty five yard toss. There's high schoolers that can do that. Yeah, there's junior high kids. I can. I can do it with guaranteed. I could do that, but obviously a freak athletes. I don't like to judge others by my stand. It was very scary, the bills Vikings game in mind. Blower absolute mind blower for everybody. Sterkel, Josh Allen, getting up over a be like that though, is just incredibly nuts. He almost caught his tainted by Ps helmet and then they come in there seventeen point underdogs seventeen point underdogs that has to be one of the largest in recent NFL history. The NFL has built on parody where any given Sunday, literally the name of the movie bills fans are just watching the team walk into the fucking skull dome in just be seventeen point underdogs in then Salata Zimmer's Vikings. So as a player, what happens in the locker room there guys just like, yeah, we're, we're gonna win to real cavalier real casual. I don't know. I honestly don't know because for my job, it was very much me and a bowl, right? So it's me and the ball, so it's not really dealing with everybody else. Now, granted snapper us a snap people. Well, at the block, owners have do their job. But for me, it was just me and the ball. So in every single week I could get ruined. So it's like every time I step up, I have to do it. I guess there is a thought though, or some people relax or they kind because everybody's like, oh, this is a trap game. This trap game, nobody's focusing on it. I don't really fully believe that because in the NFL I, if you don't do your job other than the top group guys, if you don't do your job, you're going to get cut. So there's like no trap game. I think it was more so just the bills were hitting on everything. Everything was happening for them. I think it was one of those things where they showed what they could be in the Vikings may be came out a little flat and you just watch the bills, take advantage of that, but let's assume that the bills will go back to being what the bills would do. But the future at least has a little bit of optimism with Josh Allen. I dates very athletic, like a Muslim. He's, he's in that same quarterback personas Mahomes. Yeah, where and Wentz where you're athlete, you've big fucking dorm, can begin fuck and run that superman dive to the pilot. Very impressive. And he didn't lose the ball when he hit the pile on is big, aunts, draft, Josh Allen duck. Didn't lose the ball at all. And then he goes up and over. He slinging the rock, very happy for the Buffalo Bills in bills mafia has had an all out onslaught dealing with their own local government. No table tossing. It's unbelievable. No dildo. Throwing no fun may say in western New York, and then Josh Allen goes into Minnesota, and does that they got to feel pretty good up there, but the Vikings, they got what Thursday night against the Rams around there flying to l. a. today in that it's that's one of those weeks where you wanna week a practice, so you can be like, so Zimmer can hammer home boys, but as a player, you want a quick turnaround so you can get out of your mind. So it's like two different operations era coaches want to be able to hammer home like y'all mother fuckers, ain't it right. That's what the coaches will wake up call. Yes, but that's also early in the season for the players though to the players like I wish we played on Tuesday, so we could get that out of her mind. So I think the Vikings will be very. Eager. It just sucks. Enter walking into a fucking buzzsaw like the Los Angeles Rams after some weird shit going on with Everson Griffen to like one of their best effects. Apparently he was trying to like shoot some people, so we got, we got Mike Florio coming up. We'll dig into him. We'll dig into that with Mike Florio pro football talk. I don't think the hotel story was true. I think that got pulled. But Mike Florio is coming up here in a little bit. He will break down that old thing. Everson Griffin's big time player for the Vikings and there's some real mental health shit going on. I can't went to hear about that already hammered the Vikings plus seven, though. That's a lot of points for the Rams overreaction. The Rams are a buzzsaw of team though they got. I mean, it's just like the Golden State Warriors. We've said this numerous times it's just like the Golden State Warriors. So they let the raiders hang around and they let the chargers hang around a little bit. They blew out the cardinals, but who isn't going to blow up the cardinals piece. But the bears. Yeah. Josh Rosen with four minutes ago. So the Rams the Rams, the thing about the Rams is I cannot fathom them if that you say you let people hanging around you gotta. Remember football is a physical sport, so it's you got a lot of guys over there. I don't want to say they're front runners, but you got guys that are. They can football. If you want to continue to dominate people, you gotta hit. You gotta continue to tackle. You're gonna continue to own the line of scrimmage, I think they have and if they need it, they'll just turn it on at the if that makes sense. They have it if they need it in the Bank, they just up. Here we go. We'll turn it on now thick and get the new kicker. He ain't it. For the Rams. I'm excited to see what they do. They're g z, Puerto groin or whatever. I have no idea what's going to happen with them, but I feel like the Rams have it in the tank it anytime they could possibly want. Golf has looked very good so far this year to they're calling him a system quarterback, is that why do they do that? Why do why do they get labeled system quarterbacks just because their system is crushing on an ice because McVeigh's so good. Maybe they think he's just making golf look better than he really is. But because he looked like shit with what's his name, Jeff, Fisher Fisher. So the system quarterback thing is a compliment to the coach. So that is the way media people wanna compliment to coach instead of the player. I think so. So you're saying he's a decent quarterback on a great team. But yeah, your system quarterback. Well, they're saying that the schemes that the calling that, right, it's one hundred percent a compliment to the coach. It's like saying this coach can is making him good basically. So this coaches plays are making him good. Yeah, players to strings. I have an idea. That's what I think too I, but it's in my that makes sense. So if you have a genius coach off into coordinator that can mold an offense to perfectly your quarterback yet maybe Jeff, Fisher just ran a shitty system. Oh, yeah. Every single where he coached. That guy was so bad. I have no idea how he was the definition of mediocrity. I think worse than that he was shit. He was absolute shit and people loved him because his mustache and all that, and he was a place. Good with Steve McNair back in the day McNair was great restraint athlete, yes. And then after that he was never never mounted anything. Manny was a system. Quarterback is just manning was the guy who designed the place. Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Josh mcdaniels, quite a little tactic. Not now obviously there, and it's thought hitting right now because you need Julian Edelman in there. But his, he assistant quarterback because he's Tom Brady, I associate assistant corporation. It's a good coach, bad coach, right. Rachel, there's no such thing now. I think it's just the way instead of complimenting the player who's doing an incredible job. It's their way of complementing the coach without saying anything bad about the quarterback and maybe maybe Bortles proves that point because his team is just really, really good. Great. But he's still not dominant. You know what I mean? I don't think he's assistant quarter of. Yeah, Blake board. He's yeah zone. Congratulations by the way Jaguars losing the for the brand Super Bowl, Sunday titans beat them. Nine, six down there might well might have been to the average person to most boring in history in absolute history. If you're going to get a ticket to any game though, for me, personally, I would like to go to that for the brand Super Bowl where it's all kickers. Punters all the God damn time for me watching the bombers on fourth down is absolutely beautiful. You're only going to one place in one place along and that's seeking. Seek is the greatest ticket buying app on planet earth. 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His first NFL appearance is down to four minutes left while decision even though Spratt was playing like dodging shit, he'd turn it over three straight possessions. So you put your coach in a bad position there. So the spin zome was that they were going to put in Rosen with like seven minutes left, but didn't get the ball back until like four minutes. Jeevan still is what happened was before the game or the Pri the week. Prior. The coach did say, if Bradford does not play good, I'm gonna put Rosen in, but like four minutes left. I think he's gonna wait till the next week, swallow that one cardinals have become a team. Nobody gives a single fuck now not at all. Have you heard anybody talk about this? No, no rookie quarterback from UCLA. The Rosen one gets put in with four minutes left down to potential, whatever you do, throw pick eyeso-. Him out for now turn around downtown and so he, he actually had to possessions. The first one they went for a fourth and didn't get it. I believe it was over on downs. Yeah. And then the th the next one need through pick six, but the defence was offsides. Thank God. And then it definitely ended. I believe there was a pick six. It was so funny was downstairs watching the cardinals. He the bear. So we're both fucking on edge. I just tweeted out. I can't wait for Rosenthal. Pick six and this for me. Yeah. Yeah. To happen and he did. So the play goes, I see him jump off sides. I see the flag. Oh, I didn't see the jump doing throws the pick six and I hear Nick fucking sell. And I'm just chuckling up on my room because I know it's coming back. Well, yeah, it was. I mean, he definitely throws. He looks. He's more athletic obviously because Bradford's had a bunch of surgeries and stuff Redford's good ping pong ping pong player, but he is a very, very fragile. I think he, I think Rosen's the better fit since especially since that team's going nowhere. Literally, nobody talked about it though. Little nobody was on the internet when he came in. But since then, no, John see you later. Nobody gives a single fuck the bears, beat their cardinals. Thank God. I guess for bears fans good for you guys. You have a football team again out Mitchell. Look. He looked good. He comfortable. He looked back there. He could obviously better the defenses saving them almost every game back at another force, fumble and other two. He's God. Damn. If you're a d. n. it's like the Broncos of Broncos, ravens Broncos block a kick and a punt on the road in Baltimore in can't win the probability of losing after blocking. One king I think is I think it's below twenty percent. I think you win like eighty percent of the time when you block kick for a touchdown to then they blocked two kicks one, four touchdown, one setting up that might be less than five percent that you lose that game in somehow the Broncos lose that game because their offense can't do anything in Bonn Miller, though that dude's another guy, he was in a hundred yards of penalty penalties. Yes, there was so many penalties. Justin Tucker, shout, Justin, Tucker. He won the brandy. He win the first ever brandy for best performance on the weekend. Absolutely round of applause from Justin Tucker, broken NFL record for most games with multiple fifty yard makes six in his career thus far. Nobody. Obviously somebody had five. He. Broke the record, but he would have had a consecutive street going if it wasn't for the block at one over top of, I assume this is the stats still from two thousand ten, but I soon the stats so place, ninety percent of games which is blocked team that makes the block wins the game. So that's ten percent, let alone to kicks so that you drop that down. Probably they probably had a less than three percent chance of winning that game after having two blocks are after getting to blocked in, they still go out and win the ravens still get a win against the Broncos. Tom McMahon, Bronco special teams, coach, he's flying home on that plane. We did ours. What. That is honestly, if you look at like the drive start averages on when they score, if it's inside the ten, I think it's less than seven percent of a score. If it's inside a fifteen, it's like a nineteen percent or eighteen percent score rate. So that's why whenever you win the fuel position battle, you normally win the game. And if you block a kick ninety percent of the time, you win the game to block kicks plus field position win in. You lose that game to the Baltimore Ravens. That is a wild scene over there in Denver. I don't know, John fixes it. I don't know if it's you pay case gave him. He's not the guy. He's not stuff because flacco is like Denver's daddy, you're over the model. They're cursed before that we cases actually looked decent. He's better than anything else they have. By far it is such an Jake Kelly. Swag, kill. I love. Lose that game. I don't know how you lose that game. That's good for the ravens. It's a lot of grit. We add a chance to talk to a raven actually about the game, and I can't wait for you to hear this ladies and gentlemen, this man's beard is next level. Ladies and gentlemen joining us now fresh off a victory against the Denver Broncos is a five time five times five times five time, five time pro bowler five time. All pro safety played for the chargers. Now he's what the ravens. He has the greatest facial hair in all of professional sports. You can follow it at Wendell's, beard, ladies and gentlemen, he league human being Aaron. Great intro. Wow, I never, I think you deserve it, brother. I appreciate that. How the hell did you guys win against the Broncos? Two blocked kicks in. You still win. Got them game. That's got to feel good. Shoot, you know, we needed after the all on Thursday night against the Bengals. So you know, we were coming in and didn't start off very well, but we're a resilient group and it's play sixty minutes in definitely gets us at our place. We're gonna fight the whole way, and we've got a clutch win for sure. Lewis was there. I did a whole God damn mentioned. He did. You've been there for a while. Now whenever you left the chargers, nobody really expected because you were like a mainstay over there. Eric, Weddell the glove wearing his beard. Having safety was like, okay, you're going to be home forever. Then you go to the ravens. You've been there for a while. Now you're a big time veteran on that team. That team looks a lot better this year than maybe in years past is Joe flacco change of mindset helping with that, or what is it about the ravens right now? I think their number of factors that go into his play and you know the new weapons we have on offense being the same coordinator for almost three seasons now. And he tells healthy for the first time in three seasons, kinda full off seasons, bull training camp, and it shows these. He's confident he like he likes what we're doing and you know, we've protect them for any quarterback that let alone Joe. You could be successful in this league. So we go his Jogos, obviously, we defensively, we can help out by playing great ball, but he plays well on Sundays. We have a great shot at winning and it shows over over the season so far, you're a five time all pro five time pro bowler mainstay in the NFL conversation for great defensive players, the rules, especially the clay Matthews. That's I don't know if you've got a chance to see this to Claiborne mice home, my goodness, grace went defensive player. What are you? What is the? What is defensive player? Defensive player's going to do. In the NFL. How are you guys going to get around these rules that are fantasy football rules that are basically trying to diminish everything you guys do. Yeah, it's it's putting us in a tough position and it's just it's crazy that they're, they're trying to change everything this game is has been built on over one position in in that player where defensive players can get cut blown bold legs out knees out by lineman, but who are we really trying to protect? It's all about the QB's and it's it's frustrating for us. He's game defining plays. I mean, the one on clay Matthews that that tilts the play the game. I mean these, you're talking about one three to four plays that decides these games NFL and now you're literally changing games, changing wins, and losses by Tiki Tak quarterback roughing, the pastors. I mean, it's it's frustrating. You just hope that they. Comes the census because people are gonna just stop watching the game. When they see this weekend, we out games decided on terrible calls that nothing to do with the game. I think a lot of the NFL's core fans are calling the game soft. A lot of players are coming out and saying that the game is getting soft. You see a lot of retired players who I think possibly could be the reason for all of this by the way do through the not all retired players, but the select few have had terrible issues with c. t. the lawsuit and everything like that made the NFL kind of tuck their tail between her legs and change the game. But you're in a lot of people talk about how the game is getting soft as somebody who has been here since the game was back hard nose before CT was even a thing on the defensive side and now you're watching the game change. Do you think the game is getting soft or you think they're just trying to adjust a bad situations? Well, I mean, buying in and I'm still sore. I'm still I'm still throwing it in there like I'm twenty one years old is a rookie trying to prove myself. So I don't necessarily think it saw. I think the game. Is changing towards offense. Philosophy, often game often, some minded they want scores, they won't point. They want action. They don't wanna see defense. They don't wanna see our heads. They don't. They don't wanna see that. So I think the game has changed over my career where it was. It was physical, tough, hard nose, run the ball, play actions, and now it's spread 'em out, get the ball on the perimeter, main guys miss get out of bounds that stuff. So I don't think the games again, salvage just think officiating. The rules they change year in the year out is you know, the perception is a game is going that way. But physically, I mean, I, I give it my all and then throw it in there to these guys. So I still feel the same. What are you. What are you? Are you a acupuncture, guy, massage therapy, hot tub, cold sub. What do you do? What do you do to get the marriage and work out? The hardest work out of the week is the day after a game and. I pulled seven salmon. I don't give them the size vagabond, throw their stuff. I think it's a waste of money. When you when you have four kids and you, you're done as much as I am to tell me, I'm going to be convert to three hours, giving them a size. My wife look at me like, yeah, right. You're crazy. You're going to be home taking care of these kids. So yeah, I've never never really gotten them, and I know what works for me and I spend time away. So if I do have sometime I got in my life. You said your hardest work out of your day. Is the day after game. What was this'll be airing tomorrow? What was yesterday's workout for air Quito. Shoots a full body. I'll start out with a run and good stretch and get the heart rate up if the blood flowing throughout my body and then get in for a full body. So it will consist of some some some type of rakes, whether it's squats lunges, step ups, whatever we got every four weeks. We switch up my workout and then we'll go into shoulders and chest and back and basically everything that full body workout will consist of anything that's nagging or sore. We hit those areas. So we could tighten up the joints and give blood into those areas to make the recovery process quicker different structure, different books. I used to nap the day after. Rightfully so, right. Hey, pedia it said you joined the church of Jesus Christ, latter-day saints. Are you a Mormon. Did you go on a mission trip? I didn't. I got back as well as twenty. So got bad times a year later I got married and you're not after that. I had her first kid, so I got right into it. God, I Austin collie was a team mate of mine for years in his he he took. He took a mission trip in Venezuela or something like that, and he learns he Xenos perfect Spanish. She knows the whole thing. I was expecting to hear if you one on one. Yeah. I mean, if I grew up in the church, I most likely would have, but since I got baptized so late later in my in wife, it was and I was already two years in to my college career. So it was it was on the back burner after that. But you know, when the kids are out of the house, I'm sure my my wife and I will do a couples, Michigan one when we're old and retired. Have you seen the book of Mormon. Have I seen the book of Mormon? Yeah, the play by the south park guys? No, no, I heard it's pretty entertaining. Because Austin had left the coats by then. And I use used Austin as my Mormon shoulder to lean on. Basically, whenever Mitt Romney was running for president, I was like, awesome. I want to hear everything. I wanna learn about it. He was very nice, very gracious. And then the book of Mormon the Broadway show came out after he left. So I never going to chance to really ask. So that's why I figured out throw it in there. I can take the jokes and stuff, but you know, we have good conversations with teammates and let them know that I don't have six wives, and I don't believe in certain things. I believe in the summer, God is Christ and one once people understand that and then they go. Then then they look at me a little bit differently. So it's it's always good to have conversations Austin collie in. I had a thirty five minute basically speed through of the entire Mormon religion and hammered every single question. And it was at the end of it. I was like, oh, this is a much more relatable religion than most of the other religions out there. Very good. Now he hammers diet coke though. And I, I think that is kind of something that you frown upon. Yeah. I mean, we'll went way may not told you now is on the BYU campus. They actually have any machines with coq there now. So it kind of lightened up on the whole coke diet coke thing. That's insane. Hold of the year. What does light years? Right? How many years you're going to play football for forever. No, no, definitely not. I don't. You know. I'm just taking your right mean aches who would ever thought twelve years is is amazing. Amazing as I've told people as long as I can run and and do what I do defensively, I'll keep playing. As soon as I, I think it's dropping off or my wife is gonna leave me, then I'm gonna. And right off into the sunset, but I still love the game. I love the grind. I love competing. I love being around the young guys in in trying to find ways to lead into relate to them in and get the most out of them and to help them have better career, so, but I can't play forever. I know that. So whether it's one more year, I won't wear your after this on my deal. And if they want me back of the season, I'm gonna give it all I got if not, and I'm definitely not going to play for chain. So I know that Eric, speaking of your contract and you mentioned you have one more year on the deal. I have a question and this is looking back in the rear view a little bit. Now I'm always interested to ask this of guys who've experienced free agency. What was that like for you? Because I know myself is a Steeler fan. I looked at you as a guy when you hit free agency who could potentially anchor this Pittsburgh defense in the next decade. And you go and sign with like a bitter rival. Now you give me nightmares every other week. What was that process like? It was easy. Was a stressful teams reach out or did you know where you want to go right away. Well, yeah, it was. I was. I was like the second tier of free agency. We knew that going in. I'm not guy. I wasn't going to be the first wave of free agents that they can get reached out to. So it was a more of a patient process. I didn't get a really phone call until you know that first opening window was Monday. I didn't get my first phone call so Friday, and and you know, from the teams that rebound initially they were teams that just wasn't a good fit for me and and where they were as a team. I wanted to go somewhere, you know, great organization in in super Super Bowl, contending teams or would won the SuperBowl in the past. So my my teams or you know, Baltimore Pittsburgh new, the coaches nap in Dallas. They're obviously one of them New England. So the teams like that Green Bay and you know, I thought I was a perfect fit for Pittsburgh. They just they just were hanging around in not not wanting to. They had. They had some other options and in the needs to get done before me and and they just never wanted to come come, some get it in and I'm really good friends with Ben. So obviously that was a, that's nation that I wanted to make happen. But it just never happened in in Baltimore in Dallas where were neck and neck. And I was I was torn because I had coaching staff from Dallas, rich, the Sasha. I'm really close with who's best teams, personnel and Baltimore. And I just at the in in my God, I just felt Baltimore was was the best spot for me. So I love. I've loved every second here. I always tell people that I felt I feel being here for my third years, I was meant to be raving and feels like I've always played my whole career here. You just heard the soul of to Pittsburgh. Steeler fans just get sucked out of them right there. Whenever I wish you could have seen this, Eric widow, it was his. Hysterical watching the size. And you heard the profanity. Just. That is operating, who's who's that? It's, it's funny. It's funny near Pittsburgh fans, they always get on. You should've came here. You picked the on, say, look, man, like I didn't have a choice. They didn't really want me. So you forget like you can't just I can say, I want to go to a certain team, but if they don't want your, they don't agree contract. It doesn't happen and you can't just wait around. So. Funny, funny. Who's the guy in the locker room, the Baltimore, Ravens locker, and the keeps it light. Where's that you guys? I mean, I always keep it. I, especially around coaches. Anyone else is it's if if coaches are acting pretty crazy, I- I step up and say, we need to win to relax a little. I heard I heard Harbaugh's had a couple of situations in the past future reference. Oh man. Like, listen, there's no one that wants to win more than harps. And when you have a coach, that's honest in in genuine at heart, you can always live with those those outbursts when you have them because it's coming from good place, but it who keeps it light in the locker room. I would say like scissors always on one. He's always he's always funny. He's always cracking on someone. He's always in a good mood. Brian Williams, Tony Jefferson. I mean, we got, we got some characters or you better not have been skin because it is one way or another. You're gonna get crackdown and you'd better not, you know, sensitive about examine in your life will be over. Do you guys feel really good about the ravens team feel good in that locker room? The locker room to have had been in training camp for seven months before everybody else. Oh my gosh. The longest thing camp in the heat. Your life is team, but the life fifteenth. I was here in Baltimore, like that's absurd why they should never happen ever. I mean, the whole thing is, is the worst. Whoever thought of making guys come in twenty seven days before their first game is his. The asinine thing I've ever been a part of my life, so that's right Lewis. It was that you were there. I know Dany Ray Lewis. Oh, that'd be so good. Well, you guys feel good as a team. I swim that twenty seven day training camp, Lamar Jackson. They were trying to split up the ravens locker room. Everybody was trying to split that thing apart with Lamar Jackson and Joe flacco, and it seems as if you guys are team that just can't be budged. Yeah. I mean, we gotta we got a close group and a lot of personalities, but no egos man, it's crazy to be a part of the team that has just about ball just about the team. And and I've said this before that, this is one of the closest teams if not the closest of just coming to work competing and no one really cares about the the notoriety would just, you know, we haven't made the playoffs three years on chamber organization. You know things, things get changing, things get serious real quick. So this is a close group and and we know with Lamar come in the distraction could be there. But when Joe plays like he's played all offseason and really put that to rest, it's is really never been a an actual conversation between the two. Mr. wet along at windows beard. How good is Tucker by the way. Man has a ball, he's a beast if he just wasn't such an ego maniac. You just said no egos in the locker room. I guess that comes with being a kick, your butt. Of those three him Sam and Morgan. They work hard every day, and there's a reason why they're one of the best groups in the league. So we'll we're happy to have him. Sometimes I got put him in his place and he knows it and and we're all good. Ladies and gentlemen, probably going into another all pro year, absolute legend of a human by the way, Mormon hall of Famer for sure, for sure, Mormon hall of Famer since for future reference Mr.. Eric window. Thank you so much Erik dude. Dude, that was awesome. Thanks for having me on guy. Hey, you're really, really cool guy. Did you do at work out yet or are you doing it now? I'm going in madman right now. I can't believe you go hard like that the day after that the ravens tell you do that or is that your thing? Now I've been doing it for about a years now Jesus, there's a reason you're the reason. You're great. Have a great one. What are we appreciate you and good luck on your. You're, you're the man. Not our first Mormon we've had on the show. Nope, NADA first Mormon. He hasn't gone on a mission though. So he I don't know if he's marched to not become a Mormon and dole it's after missions. Yeah, good idea. That's a two years of your life. You're spending in third world countries, the words that Joseph Smith, I respect the Mormons though they stick with it. They stick with any recruit people. They recruited, Eric, what at the age of twenty God, his? Let's go on your mission when you're a millionaire. You're not allowed to have a phone. You're not allowed to have anything like that. So I don't know if the millionaire would help you probably hurt you because you live this awesome wife. By the way we're sending you to. Egypt. To preach the word of the church of Jesus Christ latter-day saints. You can't have any money, no cell phone and can't talk to anybody shallow Derek. One of the good guy man talked about that game a little bit about the roughing, the passer stuff on that thing. The NFL players are turning against them for sure. He's, he's one of the best safety in the league could have been a Steeler could've have been interesting. You mentioned the recruitment of Eric Weddell. Yeah, it seems like it's not very hard to do. He's still assistant step up to the plate, didn't stop tough to. It's tough to swallow when you hear that, don't care. Moving on. Thank ravens week. Let's go big. Thanks to hurt. It isn't real. This is it. So you'll Steelers raven Sunday night football, rivalries, a rivalry is good as time. Normally there's cars in streak in batted with bats, with ravens on them in the south side of Pittsburgh, this house tale, this is a real battle. I can't wait to watch it, and I'm thinking, Eric widow probably makes a huge play at the end of that thing to seal it and all the Steelers fans after listening to this. No, then he could have been a fucking Steeler and not only nothing a tough pill to swallow, but you've got to deal with it deal with. I think I raven steam is very good by the way. I think they are very good football team hope Vance. McDonald's plant some into the turf like he did last night to Chris Conte. That's different was next level that was, and then his quote afterwards about to be his bishops as possible. If a safety wants to car, if a d. back wants to come high on me, they're gonna regret it. Basically, he's been given white. Sage is a bad name for a long time. White, say cheese, what safeties are giving white people could name regardless of how they play. You need to. Recognize that. But that's like the twelfth time he's been stiff armed to death pro. I think that a Vance McDonald guy setting himself up though to get clipped. I think he's setting himself up to get clipped whenever he says, if a db wants to go high on me, it's like now he's taking a shot an entire position, not just. A long game. Now he's set up for hurdle now. Oh. That's making a safety. Earl. Thomas had a game against the Dallas Cowboys. Remember he missed practice on Friday. We need to practice in Tonio Brown, also missed practice on Monday. Not a big deal. Maybe I should start Mr. practice more office? Yeah. What is it? I said it best. It's not the game. Man, not gain talking about practice, Levy on bell, skipping hall of it. So I feel about that. But Earl, Thomas last year sprinted to the Dallas Cowboys locker room still in his attire. I was watching it live thought it was a potential fight happening, but you don't. You don't see that you don't see that happening unless a fights. And then he what he stopped paying Jason Garrett or somebody and goes, bring me here basically while he's still then he has to walk back to the Seahawk locker room and just Where'd you go just told her coach team. I want to be on our team. How do you that's a why would move? So then he holds out, I think he's still wanted to be a cowboy. I think you wanted to be a cowboy. The Pete Carroll doesn't trade shows up MRs practice. I'm assuming it's the same type of shit. Everybody in Seattle wants to be out of Seattle. It seems like from the legion of boom, then he plays against the Cowboys to picks months game in bows to the Cowboys at once. Again, like. Give me the fuck out. Please get me out of here. What else do I have to do? That was an awesome moment. I enjoyed that a lot. I, the Seattle Seahawks story will be fun to watch and it'll be a fun one fun one to watch because they were. They seem to be the next dynasty bay were the next dynasty. This is it. This is the team. This is the team that's going to ride for the next ten years in dominate, and then all of a sudden he goes getting away no more future in Walker, Bob, Bob, pay Russell Wilson protect Russell Wilson, and everybody in defense who's disrespected, throw the ball on fourth and goal in the Super Bowl a bomb or Sean Lynch gone. It just that that thing just just out of control spiral. They hit on a lot of guys in late mid round picks in the draft when Pete was fresh out of college in now who've they drafted recently within the past three or migra Dixon studt ball kicker for the Seahawks. I like him a lot, but that's probably it. They showed a graphic like they're Super Bowl. Teams were all. Like late round picks that they all hit on and they haven't hit on one in a long, long time. I think Pete's only got a year left on the deal with not be surprised if they went a different direction. He's what ninety years old and ninety three. The old trick. Yeah. He's choose that gum too. 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Good. Oh, got a chance to Chit chat with a guy who knows all the ins and outs. Joining us now is a man who's a trailblazer in the blogging game every single human in the NFL Rita stuffing keeps up with them a man that's connected like no other man in the NFL's history. He's a pies on from West Virginia friend of this show. Ladies and gentlemen, pro football talks Pounder pro football talks leader, a man who never sleeps a blog, don't wait Mike foolery. That was very impressive. I don't know where that's more Michael buffer, Bruce buffer, but I like I like the live fucking I've ever had. I appreciate that. Speaking of fighting the Everson Griffen story in the Minnesota world is kind of crazy right now, the local news station said he had a gun at a hotel lobby, then they retracted that story. Then a story got out that he was at a teammates house, and then that got retracted. What's going on in Minnesota, Mike. I mean, the bottom line is there's an issue with Everson Griffen that he's receiving some type of treatments for he wasn't with the team on Sunday for personal reasons. He already was not expected to play to a knee injury, and the Vikings aren't a tough spot here. They play Thursday night in LA. It'd be a shock at this point. If Everson Griffen is with them, he's one of the more underrated pass rushers in the NFL without him on the field of liking defenses at the same. And you know, I think there were many distractions for the Vikings on Sunday. I think they were still a little bit upset about the tie. It's the Packers at if thinking ahead to the short week game against the Rams, but you throw this Everson Griffen situation on top of it. He's one of the longest tenure guys with the team players are concerned about it, and I think that that made it even harder for them to focus in as they have this short week, they got they gotta find a way to focus on the Rams while they're also concerned about their Franken teammate, getting whatever help it is that he needs so he can reach join them and and get through these issues that obviously team, you're going to be very circumspect. About it, but it sounds like you've got some severe. She's now that he's going to have to work through it who knows how long it's been, say, very scary stuff there. Let's move to the Pittsburgh Steelers a team that you are not a fan of, but grew up as a fan of you have to be very third party independent in your profession nowadays. Let's talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers though. Schefter reported earlier this week. I believe that bell trade options are now on the table. Has this been something that's been in the works for a while or is it just they got a boiling point while Schefter reported two weeks before that that they weren't going to trade and says something changed in those two weeks. And I think the Steelers are just got the point where they realize the end game here is not acceptable. This lady off l. is going to stay away. So what we tend which he has every right to do under the terms of the franchise tag and then to show up and make eight fifty five or week. And, and then you know, maybe not practice not play as much maybe say, I've got a hamstring thing, try to protect himself pre agency next year. Maybe they just move on. So. If they're entertaining trade offers, the jets are interested. That's fine. It's just not an easy thing to do Pat. Here's the problem. You got to convince the Steelers that you're offering of enough. So they are ways with him and you have to convince on bell to sign a contract for one year contract with the Steelers would be traded. He can't be traded until he signed and he's made it clear. He's not gonna play for eight hundred fifty five thousand a week. So would a team like the jets have to offer a million week a million two week? What's he going to take to get into show up knowing that if you're the jets, it's a part year rental and you have no guarantees beyond the end of the season, you can't sign a new contract until the regular season, and he have all the leverage at that point because the only way to keep them around into the franchise tag is the paying twenty six million dollars. So why does it you do it unless pot ball, head coach. So desperate. He's able to convince ownership to spend the money and go after a guy that may help turn the team around with now, one or two. I don't know why you do it because you're paying a huge premium for a player giving up a draft. Pick at a minimum to get him and you're only going to have it for this year. Let's move to news breaking situations. I might not be as knowledgeable with this as I should be since I played so much these Sunday morning news dumps seem remarkable to me every single Sunday morning, Ian Rapoport Schefter more. Everybody's having a field day, just dropping news out of nowhere. Bang, bang, bang, bang. And there's you'd stories they Andrew lucked snowboard story that has been rumored for years got dropped the first Sunday morning. What is the deal with the Sunday morning news breaks in his at a normal thing. Well, thanks coach. Sunday slash report because typically once a year, he's the subject of the Sunday slash reports. This may be his last year with the New Orleans Saints and look. There's pressure on the folks who do the pre game shows before the kickoff at one o'clock eastern time to have something new to have something fresh and let me tell you the pressure is so great that sometimes it causes guys to report things that already have been reported. I'm not gonna name names, but, but maybe I'll name names week one last year. For example, Schefter reported the drew Brees contract that was entering its fun of year, has a clause in it that they can't franchise tag him after the twenty seventeenth season. That was fine. But that was known the moment. He signed the contract like a year before that. So it just shows you there's this frenzy to get something new to bring something to the table to placate the producers, hey, here justifying my salary or something here something do a lot of times they'll take stuff. And again, I don't want to name names, but the Schefter. Report over the weekend about the couch from trading lines. That was all out there. This is pieces of that were out there. People knew about it in Boston. It's been reported in different forms and fashions. But you know, here's the Sunday splash report because it's Sunday because you've got these pre game shows have all this content. You gotta come up with something new even if it's not really knew. It just has to feel like it's new so they can check the box and fill the quota and say, we're making our Sunday splash, not the name any names. Roger Goodell in the NFL have quite an ice, have quite an issue with this sacking the quarterback roughing, the passer situation dominated the game last night for people that bet the under me watching ramps handout, fifteen yard penalties. Like it's nothing. How are they going to deal with this? I read on your website. I believe on profootballtalk that they're not going to reward. They're just hoping that it'll get called differently. What does that even mean? I thought the NFL was going to dig in on this when we saw the consternation about the the lowering the helmet foul based upon two weeks of the preseason and the NFL had a competition committee conference call, and they issued a statement that in the first sentence set, we're not changing the rule. And in the second sense, explain how the role was going to be changed. It looks like that's where this one's going. I didn't think they were going to do it. I thought they were so determined to keep quarterbacks healthy because they don't want, you know, when the Rams and the Cheech playing Mexico City, they don't want to be Chad any versus Sean men. They want to start quarterbacks to play. That's why they're doing it. But with that today, they, they thought what happened? Last Rogers got hurt. We enter Brett Hundley and the Packers fall apart and anytime to Packers on national TV, nobody cares. So that's what they're trying to do. But now there are multiple reports at the competition committee is going to have a conference call next week, and then gonna talk about the roughing penalty. And I guarantee your path, they're going to issue a statement that they're not changing it in the person's second sentence. They're going to splaine how. Change it, and there's gonna be some shift in the enforcement some in the focus to get away from the outcomes that have occurred. You got JJ watt coming out, talking against an Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady, basically, every defensive player in football is come out against it. This isn't normal for the NFL dealing with players openly bashing, something that they're doing. Quarterbacks coming out and saying it. I mean, that's now I think on one hand and may be saying, you know, they, they don't want to be perceived as not tough. Right mean, what are you? Gonna do come out and say, yeah, I'm glad they called these penalties. Even though they're really no penalties, but I'm glad that they do it because I like the fifteen yards. So they have to, I think it's gotten to the point where they have to figure something out even if they don't fundamentally change the way this rules enforced. They have to do something to push back against the widespread criticism. Because from my perspective, it's like, hey, this is what they want to do. We just need to accept it, but you know what enough people aren't accepting it and enough people are yelling about it. Then maybe the NFL's middle, listen, and do something about New England, Patriots completely upside down right now when Julian Adam and comes back, does all of this contrived rec- about them being done, kind of subside or is this is this? Is this the season that the dynasty ends? I, it's still too early to tell, but. Because we've seen this this movie in September before with the patriots. But you know, they lost two games in a row by more than ten points. First time since two thousand and two that's alarming. He didn't respond to that loss to the Jaguars with an honest Cincinnati, ask kicking of the lions. I'm shocked by that and you throw on top of that. The possibility of three straight losses dolphins team that is coming into play this weekend. It's a legitimate. Albert. Wilson told me after game on Sunday when they beat the raiders in the fourth quarter saints to Wilson throwing the long touchdown pass and and catching along, although it was it was one of those touch passes and he exploded for seventy four yards. He said, when we do what we can do, there's no one who can be and they can focus on themselves and not get Tim dated by, you know, the patriot logo and did you let state and played Sam. But once in two thousand eight during that wildcat game with Ronnie Brown. They can. They get some two one in three, you three games in a row and you're the patriots. I is it over at that point. What happens at that point and with all this other drama with Bela check in Brady and and you know it, what does it explode? And I can't. We've seen him, turn it around, but then maybe digging themselves a whole who is going to be very hard for them to get out of Tony LeBron's going to skip breakfast or what. I figured out anytime soon. He got, you know, I, I don't know what happened last week. I think that it was a combination of the off deal beyond feel the frustration, the tweets. And I think that whatever conversation with my promo last Wednesday, it got Fru to him what's expected of him. You know, he's a leader of that team and he can't be shutting it down. He can't be, you know, reacting that that extremely to things that are happening early in the season, and you know they got the win last night. They tried to blow it shocked that it was. I thought that game was over when it was thirty to ten. And you know what happens on Sunday night when the ravens come to town and the national TV cameras are on the McGinn. Can they respond and get back to to what would be to one on one at that point? So, and I think with with all these guys, it's a week by week proposition, and if they're winning, everything's better in if they're losing, that's when the pressure gets applied and maybe you're gonna see a guy blow his stack. You're the best, Mike, you're the absolute best. You have any news you wanna break on the show. I not really. I thought this is very archaic point is relates the lady on bell. I thought that the Steelers would rescind the franchise tender and get like a third round compensatory draft pick next year for him, and that would be a factor in whether or not they trade him because they could still resent the tender and say, hey, we're getting a nice draft pick next year. But as it turns out, if they let let me, oh, bell walk and his sons and other team, even though he's laying on ballet, those guys, they add reported Pernet Jon Bostick they would get no compensatory draft pick for Levy on bell. Because if you into Steelers case at two guys and lose two guys, that's it. You don't get a compensatory draft pick even if the guy you lose the lady on bell. So the only way they're gonna get anything for bell is to trade him, and maybe that increases the urgency to try to work something out tavern it going to play for the Niners again. Let's get the joke on the surface. What are they going to do? They're not going to bring it back, but he did this turns the whole NFL blackballing cabinet on it set. 'cause they got four per time games between week six week, ten. And if you want big ratings for those four prime time games, do you go with CJ Besser or do you go with Colin? Caffeinate inter lose. It doesn't matter. Right. Three forty. Five Park Avenue has to be thinking, wow, man, you know, we haven't wanted this guy in the NFL for the last year and a half, maybe now we do because those ratings are going to be gone awful for those four forty Niners games in comparison to what they would be, which Garoppolo or Colin Kaepernick playing quarterback has been predicting training unawed you know? Yeah, he's still training. He's ready to go. I mean, he is ready to go at any given moment, and you know, I think the only thing that's going to happen with him is he's going to have a what's essentially a trial. It won't be in open court. But at some point before the end of the year, I believe there's going to be something that's going to be kind of like a combination of the trial from. My cousin Vinny and Detroit. You're telling me to you, hey, I appreciate you so much, Mike, Florio. Now you've got a lot to do. Thank you so much for joining us. Go check out everything pro-football. It's both on NBC sports in the morning and also the website that is nonstop. NFL, Mike, thank you so much about. Have a good one. Guy knows everything about everything. Everything I've never understood how guy knows everything. He doesn't sleep them. He told us his story to last time. He was here that he was at dinner with a with his family, and his wife just knows whenever it's almost football season. Like if you just gets up and leaves, it's because something just happened yesterday. Right. Pro-football talk, never stops very lucky to be friends with him. He he's all those information, but Everson Griffen situation. Very wild left belting. I asked him yesterday if you could break news on thing because I knew he was going to talk about news breakers, not breaking actual news, just basically recycling news, and I was hoping he would do that. But big fan of Mike Florio on Thursday night, the world was shocked. The world was shocked, and there was one man on TV smiling from ear to ear. Joining us now in absolute legend of Cleveland though, who leave land, horrid land. You know it, he's the greatest offense of linemen and also the first office offensive lineman in history. Friend of the show, enemy of the brand ladies and gentlemen, Joe Thomas. What what a screw honor it is to be here. Join us morning. I'm just happy to be able to be talking Browns after the first victory over hundred days. How do you feel Joe? How Cleveland feeling? What's the heartbeat of Cleveland right now? I tell you what after that Super Bowl that we went on Thursday, I don't think there's any tearing it down matter if the river burns up again, every single day. The rest of my life. Everybody in Cleveland is going to have a smile because they've got the one and only Baker Mayfield helming the quarterback position taken us a multiple, Super Bowl. It's going to be fantastic. Joe, it seems as if the entire city that dog pound the entire world, everybody on earth you in the Thursday night football post game. You did the toepoke before by the way, great form Greg kick, very proud of you look very skinny. You look good, but only human on earth that didn't know that Baker Mayfield is the starting quarterback is Hugh fucking Jackson. How did that happen? No, it's crazy. I mean, we saw Baker in preseason and eat it a nice job. But I think by all accounts, people that watch definitely still thought that tyrod was gonna give this team, the best chance to win. They figured that Baker would come in and play well, but he would make the classic rookie mistake and let me tell you where we wrong because we're bigger, got his opportunity. He was something special. I mean, he hardly made any mistakes that entire game. He basically only had about three bad throws out of thirty something in that game, and he was just spectacular. Just bringing a motion and energy into that offense coming back from fourteen to three deficit. That's not something that's easy to do for a rookie quarterback. He seems like such a gamer, even in practice. It seemed that way. Whenever we were watching hard knocks, he just seems like a gamer in college. It was the same thing so much swag. Is there a reason Hugh Jackson's playing like this hard ass role with him? I is it because Hugh Jackson broaden tyrod Taylor. Me was gonna play, or is it? Why do you think you Jackson is kind of playing this? Like kind of not the biggest fan of you your? Is it because he's a rookie quarterback situation. Why couldn't that's an organizational strategy to bring Baker along slowly. And truly, I think that just as much from the owner from the GM John Dorsey, because what they see as bigger Mayfield is the franchise quarterback for the next fifteen to twenty years in Cleveland, and they don't want to mess that up by throwing him into the fire too quickly to try to win a couple of games this year. So I think truly they talked about this all off season after they drafted Baker and they send John Dorsey history with Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City, and Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay. They saw how beneficial it was for those guys to sit and watch and learn as rookies. And I think they were ready to take that approach with Baker and other than concussion from tyrod Taylor and obviously Baker coming in and playing absolutely fantastic football. I still think he would probably be on the bench watching right now, Cleveland Browns. They ever going to lose again. I don't see it in the future. Joe, you were great on TV on Thursday night. You can do more of that. Yeah, I'm planning on doing a couple more games this year. I've got a lot of other commitments than media with family that I'm trying to balance in this first year, but I definitely had a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to the opportunity to do a few more games. I'm not sure they're all going to be as exciting as the one we did last week. That's Super Bowl game in Cleveland, but hopefully they're all pretty pretty good close battles that I can enjoy in through my two cents there. It didn't seem as if Cleveland TIs the reaction was huge. It was the biggest Thursday night football game. I think NFL network has ever had. The reaction was so big in the city of Cleveland. Is that things still marinating or you guys pass that moving onto the next week? Or is it still a happy city as if it was the Super Bowl with specials? All local Donut, shops like since the Cleveland Browns win by six, get baker's dozen, free and that type of situation. Is it skill? I'll be. I'll be definitely calling the bigger shops today. But still electric. It's electric. I mean, I think the optimism's as high as it's ever been since I've been here and I was drafted into Cleveland in two thousand seven, and I don't think gave ever been as excited as they are right now about the future of the franchise because they see not only Baker Mayfield obviously, we know that story, but you look at what they have at other key positions. You look at Jarvis Landry you look at the young Myles Garrett who's probably going to be the next Khalil Mack in the NFL this kid Denzel were they drafted at quarterback number four overall turnover machine right now, and you're saying, wow, there's some really key positions that we've got really, really talented young players and the future is looking extremely bright. Last question. I know your knees couldn't take it anymore, but do you watch in that game on Thursday night you we're very excited watching. Know when you laid your head down Thursday night, where you pissed off the your business. Honestly, I just can never separate the way my body felt from the emotion of still playing, and I was standing there on the sideline and I never once did across my mind like, wow, I wish I was still out there because I know I just couldn't do it anymore. And I was just so happy for those guys and so happy for that city and the fan base. So it never really crossed my mind about wishing I was still out there Joe, you're an absolute legend. I thank you so much. You're busy in the middle of a media run. I bet you the Browns fans in the Browns team. Wish you are still out there that something you need to keep in mind while you do this run. Thank you so much for taking time till head and listen to Tomahawk show with the incredible Joe Thomas and doctrines. It's incredible or Hawkins. Thank you so so so much Joe Thomas. Yeah, thanks, brother. Appreciate you having me on, hey, you know what? Have a good one that toepoke though. Maybe a little bit more follow through. I'll go fuck myself. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe. I love Joe Thomas. I'm a big fan is he snuck in between two interviews? He told me I was like. I was like him anyway. We talk about the Browns. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got let me push this one back. Yeah, I'll get your rating between. I'm like, thank you, Joe. I appreciate that. He was like, if you can make a quick, it would be nice for me not to skip the next one. I got you, Joe, I appreciate you so much. Very happy for Cleveland to Cleveland is a place that is, is it's a gritty city like Philadelphia Flyers though. Oh, hey, I thought it was gonna hate that thing. I love it. Love it. I absolute. We love in. It's falling all over. The place is I think it's a good stick and everybody's like mocking it for falling. I'm like, I think that's stick thing. Yeah, it falls. It does this. It's a comedy, it's gritty, it's it's from Phil. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1524: Lets Read Two

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1524: Lets Read Two

"Just not A home and good morning and welcome to episode fifteen twenty four of effectively wild with the baseball podcast on Van Graphs Dot Com brought to you by our patriotic supporters. I'm Sam Miller of ESPN. Ben Is not here at the moment later in this episode. Then we'll be talking to jared diamond about his new book swing kings which I have not read but I. I'm going to be talking to Erik Nussbaum about his book stealing home which Ben is not read. So we're doing it this way too. Great Books I assume two conversations but split up so eric. Hello Hey Sam. How's it going? It's going well you know. I mostly the reason that I wanted to have you on is just because I wanted to just rave and rave and rave about this book I know most people probably have not read your book yet. I would like to tell them about it. I would like to ask you a few things about it but mostly I just WanNa just continually make the pitch for it as a book. That people should be reading. Just think this is an amazing book. So well done congratulations on that. Thank you yeah you don't I'm the one who's raving. Don't try to buddy in here. I'll just listen. So this is the book about the history of dodger stadium in a very very simplistic way. It's it is sold as the history of dodger stadium being where it is and the neighborhoods and the communities that were there before. I was very excited for this book. Just because you wrote it and you're a great writer and I thought you were a great writer for very long time but I think I went into it with a pretty narrow expectation of what the story would actually about. I expected to learn that there had been people living in Los Angeles in the middle of the last century and the dodgers took their land so I was imagining a simple story. I was imagining something along the lines of that famous one mile. Chapter in the powerbroker where you have lots of personal details about a neighborhood it would be a worthwhile. Light shone on residents who've been made invisible and there'd be this ominous and tragic tone that I would find echoes in modern living but it would basically be a pretty simple land seizure at the heart of it and this turns out to not be simple at all the story the sequence the book and the dodgers themselves are relatively minor players in it. All the sequence that leads to the paving over of the Bolivar de la Loma and bishop communities begins with a Utopian Vision for public housing. And then it goes in so many unexpected and complicated directions that I was completely wrapped and learning something new on every page. This is not really a baseball book at all more of the action. I think takes place in front of the House. Unamerican activities committee than ever happens on baseball field and what two thirds of the book is over before anybody even mentions building a ballpark. If I'm right so it is a really complicated interesting story about Los Angeles and also about baseball and also about complicity and it is incredibly readable and I just can't hardly believe that a book. This good was written by a normal person I have met and not by like some New Yorker writer out there. So that's my there's my first rave okay you can say something now. Oh thank thank you again. That's extremely kind. Did I get anything wrong? Would you say no? I don't think you actually got a pretty right. You kept on saying how complicated it is and I guess that's true. It's pretty complicated. But I'm hoping that that's not mentioned scary way. Like don't be intimidated by by the complicated nature of the story not about systemic corruption and racism. That's right it is. It is not a technical read in any way. It's the you know like this is going to make it sound a little bit simplistic maybe but like the chapters are quite short and the sentence or quite beautiful and when we say complicated. I just mean that. Like for instance you go back to Cortez and so the history. You're bringing in threads from all sorts of different directions and it's complicated in the way that life is complicated and not in the way that a key. Emmanuel is complicated unlike manual. This book is full of words but it does also like an akiem manual. Have pictures so I'm going to give you. I have three or four compliments that I would like to do one at a time. And I'm going to have you. I think that that's going to be the threat of the conversation is I would just like to ask you about each of those things that I was really impressed by so one of the things that I was incredibly impressed by is the level of detail that you have personal detail about the people involved and anytime someone is writing a feature article for doing feature writing. The writer knows that like the key here is we need to have detail. We need to have very specific details that prove that we really dug into this and it's hard to get good detail. It's hard to get people a lot of times. The sources don't know what is going to be good detail so they don't always give you the detail that you want and they maybe don't WanNa share the detail and memories are hazy and so you end up knowing that you need like say ten great details to make this piecing but instead of getting ten great details you get ten details and like two of them are great and eight of them are kind of pointless and you. You massage those details into like metaphor and like overwrought description. So it seems like they're meaningful but in fact. A lot of those details are kind of pointless. You do not have that going on here at all. You got ten good details every time that ten good details were needed. There were ten great details. I gasped at one point. When you describe the way that Brana already got kills a chicken. The way that her method for strangling chicken was just so perfectly placed and so I was wondering this action that took place sixty seventy years ago by people who are who are no longer living and who I would have assumed in. A lot of cases wouldn't have left a lot of written documentation so when you went into this. How how did you know where to start looking? And and where did you reporting take? You was the reason that you ended up with so much detail that the sources that you did talk to were really excited by this project and were just over flowing with helpfulness or did you have to find. I mean we're we're you. Did you find this stuff in crates and boxes in libraries and things so it really depended on which part of the book for the Electric Family for particular? I was lucky in that. She has grandchildren's who were living daughter. Still Alive who had did not get to speak to but her grandchildren at least some of them and her friends and her nephews and people who live in this community with her remembered her vividly and they I mean they were incredible. They were generous enough. Speak to me and to give me a lot of their time and to share these stories. That were sort of kind of. I didn't have to do that much. There are beautiful stories. I mean hearing about how she would kill a chicken by swinging around by its head and then give the talents of the chicken to her grandkids to play with his toy. I mean as a writer. There's not much left me to do that. Just share it with the reader. I was pretty blessed in that regard but in terms of written documentation. They leave that much. You know these were people in beloved. Whoever they focused on who were not I think in the book. I call them under documented. You know they did not leave boxes and boxes of written records. They weren't famous at the time particularly. I mean they became somewhat famous because of their situation as the book explains but like it's a lot of oral history that sort of passed down from generations of family that you know kind of values. Its its roots and was generous enough to share. It share. Their stories with me was there any suspicion that a person showed up right now wanting to to write this book that you know about actions that I imagine are still somewhat raw in the family in that have been over for sixty sixty years and an in some ways just given the given the way that the dodgers dodgers stadium are now such institutions. I would imagine that maybe there would be a feeling that that no writer is going to take on those institutions that that we just take it for granted. Now that Dodger Stadium. Part of it almost feels like dodger. Stadium is is a permanent part of Los Angeles History. Only a sacred cow when when you know clearly. It isn't so. Did you have a any difficulty convincing them? That this was a story that should be told right now. Some of them were really excited to talk. Pretty much right away in some people were not you know at the family was is not an was not a single body everybody has their own opinions and I think one of the things actually tried to get across in the book was that these communities were full of people who are independent minded and people who had their own ideas about the best way to go about living in the best way to go about fighting and within the family People I spoke to their different ideas about what was right. And what was wrong whether they should or shouldn't talk to me or journalists and there's different opinions about the dodgers to some of the other characters. A lot of the people involved in our. Our politicians are businessmen and you occasionally will refer to something that you found in their papers and I have never gone looking through. Somebody's papers. What does that. What is what do papers literally. It depends They look like papers. Usually you go into an archives and there's a librarian archivist who gives you a little sheet of kind of sheet of paper and you fill out. What folders you want from this finding aid that it'll kind of list what they have and then they bring you the folder and you sit at a desk in a big room and you look through it very carefully and then if you need another folder you ask them to bring out the next folder. It's it's this very kind of arcane process. That's very manual and slow. Which I find appealing but different archives. In different libraries you know have different levels of detail to their finding AIDS. Some you know some collected papers are extremely well. Organized in particularly cared for in some are just boxes of stuff that you look through depending on the budget of the institution or the care with which the initial librarian put it all together or with which the probably dead person left their papers for posterity. It just depends but a lot of just sitting there literally dislike page by page looking through staff and do you get the feeling when you're looking at him that the person who left their papers behind has carefully cold anything that might be interesting or that might be. That might complicate their story. Like does it feel like it is a a crafted and curated document or series of documents. That will make them look good or is everything just like. I mean are there like receipts from the gas station thrown in there. And you just get the sense that like somebody went in maybe even after they died. And just put it in a box it depends. Some people are like that with liberties in the gas station. One of the people I talked about in the book is Frank Wilkinson. He's kind of a main character. He's a housing official in. La and he. His papers are full literally like receipts for hearing aid batteries and little notes for his doctor's appointments in these very trivial but strangely intimate scraps whereas like I was really fortunate in that the o'malley family allowed me to look through symbols. Romalis papers when it came to the construction of the stadium and I got the feeling and I don't know for sure that is privately. Kept is not a public resource. -sarily that those papers were pretty carefully curated. Even though to be honest those papers contained a lot is what I imagine was a lot of Walter. Amalean last thing about about this. Did you find that I mean I would think if anybody would really be against this book being written if you give them the two minute pitch of what it's about it would be the o'malley's because probably the o'malley's have have fended off? You know people who have been bringing this fight up or this you know. I don't know the history of that land to them for decades and they probably would not have expected a particularly generous reading. What happened in the fifties and sixties? Did you have to talk them into opening their papers to you? Yeah I did I mean I kind of I tried to be up front and say this book is really focused on on the family and on this community and that was my you know my ambition was to tell tell the story a little bit kind of more from that perspective and that. I also wanted to talk about the construction of the stadium and I wanted to be fair and I think the o'malley family is justifiably defensive about it because you know you said at the beginning of this that your expectation was that the story would be that the dodgers took land for people. That's really not the story. The story is a lot more complicated. A Lot were tragic than that and I think. The o'malley's are frustrated. That the kind of simple broad strokes narrative has become sort of inherited theology whereas the truth is really that a lot of the events in this story the most of the kind of action of destroying these communities took place long before the dodgers came to. La Yeah and a lot of it took place even led by people who I could imagine you writing very sympathetic books about otherwise and so that goes to the second compliment that after this book which is that it is so morally nuanced and I keep using the word complex and maybe that's a word that will scare people away so I'll just say nuance that a lot of times. You really have to pause and think about how you're going to process. The information does not read very easily as like now. I'm reading the Good Guy Chapter now. I'm reading the Bad Guy Chapter. And this is either good for the good guys or bad for the bad guys or whatever and as an example of this Spring Wilkinson is like you say he's one of the two main characters in this book and he comes into it because he was a extremely idealistic young man who had visions of this really Utopian vision of of public housing and and in a modern city and he was really really driven by his ideology and at one point. You mentioned that to his daughter. It was She she felt like she was living with her own. Atticus finch for a father. Okay so you put that is. That's been that seat has been planted and then a couple of chapters later. Once the houses of Olivetti had been trucked away some of them according to legend ended up on on movie lots and according to legend further some of them are that the houses in the film adaptation of Tequila Mockingbird. Whether that's true or not you couldn't pin down but let's assume it is and so you're reading this and you get to the you know the houses that have been taken from this community are now into Gila mockingbird. And you've you know you've already got this. Atticus finch idea about Frank Wilkinson. And so there's this immediate like oh my gosh so ironic but then you stop and you're trying to figure out like which direction is the irony is ironic because Frank Wilkinson is destroying the neighborhood. Because he's a bad guy and now the houses and up in this movie about an idealistic good guy or not. It's like really hard to tell because clearly Frank Wilkinson is I think in most ways. Somebody that you write extremely sympathetically about and one of the main people that brought the dodgers out here. Maybe the person most responsible bringing the dodgers out here from L. A.'s. Perspective is a council woman named Ross. Wyman who I think in general is there probably is a statue of Roz wyman somewhere in Los Angeles deservedly. She was a complete completely historically significant trailblazer and yet Roz. Wyman and Frank. Wilkinson are two of the. Maybe the two most responsible who I guess I guess maybe except for like the Chandler's for the communities of Volatility Alabama and Bishop no longer existing. And so anyway that is just to say that it's very morally nuance right. You're constantly trying to figure out how to assess these these characters and their actions so that seems like really a burden as a writer like it's much easier when you know who the the good people are and who the bad people are and when you can make their actions very clear and simple to the reader. Was it hard for you to not fall into kind of a clearer channels where you were like kind of funneling each of these people into a lane? Did you find it challenging in? Would you rather have written a simpler story? No I mean it was challenging but I never really considered doing that. I don't think the story I mean ultimately like on a gut level you want to tell the truth as much as you can as you kind of find it to be when you're doing your reporting research and writing a story that was like this is a good guy. This is the bad guy. Wouldn't have felt right to me ethically. It wouldn't have felt true to these people in their motivations and intentions to the best that I could you know research them and report them so I tried to write a story. That was true to each individual's life. And you know whether that was Walter. O'malley or Energy Guy Offering Wilkinson trying to figure out what made these people make these choices? And how did these choices that they all collectively made in that? Simple kind of off camera in the book You mentioned the Chandler family there. There'd be part of this. How did all all these ingredients? How did all these decisions wind up with all these tragic events and then ultimately dodger stadium like what happened? That was that was sort of a the motivator. It wasn't really to like tell a tale of good and evil Do have you found that the response to it has been in any way complicated by that? I mean is it. Have you found anybody? I guess WHO's frustrated by by that that it's not clear how to route as you're reading. This is a book that is just sort of constantly challenging you to reassess who. You're pulling foreign every chapter not yet. I mean people seem to be fair. It's only been a couple of weeks since the book came out and I don't think that many people are ready yet but I think that people have generally understood that there were a lot of big historical forces at play and that you know I think in a good novel your your characters are not all hundred percent. Good one hundred percents evil. I think they're all kind of doing their best and being true to their own personalities and. I think that I tried to write this book in a way that reflected the personalities and the motivations of the people in it Even though they were not character there real people so so far I think people have understood I also would say that I think register family and the residents of the communities are good guys in this book I think they were really wronged and I think that reading the book and seeing seem kind of what happens to these communities. It's hard not to feel a lot of sympathy and empathy for them. We're I mean at this point. It's it's it's mainly grandchildren. Who are survivors? Do they still? I think there is a loss anytime you take a neighborhood away. There's something about a neighborhood or there's something about a culture that can't ever be replicated if you break it apart and so. I think there's a sense of loss regardless of of what the answer. This next question is do. The grandchildren feel like this was injurious to their family. Long-term do they feel like well. Everything Kinda worked out. I mean I know at the end by the end of the dispute. The specifics of the dispute get boiled down to the difference between two assessment of the property value. And if you if you look at this dispute merely between seven thousand dollars and ten thousand dollars. It's not like a world changing injustice. It's it's It is an injustice but not world changing injustice so do the family members that are surviving. Do they see it as an injustice over you know the different assessments? The seven thousand dollars or do they really feel like the loss here still lingers in his something that they think about. There's not one answer right for for an entire family. I've spoken to people who feel different ways about it. I would say though that winning it down to seven thousand dollars isn't really fair looking back on it right. You're looking at what ultimately happened was despite many good intentions and some not good intentions. Was that the city and county governments in federal government really. Everybody confiscated a bunch of land ostensibly for public purpose and then sold the land to a private business and then finally kicked off some families so the private business could use the land. That's traumatic. I would say I think it was traumatic to the entire city of La. And I wouldn't write it off simply seven thousand dollars. Although had the government been more kind of flexible and understanding at the time I think a lot of problems could have been avoided with seven thousand dollars so this leads into the third compliment. I WanNa Hafer this book. Which is that. It really deftly handles issues of complicity and pulls the reader who is presumably a baseball fan into the question of complicity. Because we are of course drawing joy from this ballpark from this sport today. And we're doing that. Without necessarily having reckoned with the fact that complex society often produce injustices and that we they don't get necessarily appropriate recompense for that and so there's this one really quick chapter in particular that that I'm going to read that. I think I felt very deeply while I was reading it. So this is a chapter about Well I'm just GonNa read it chapter sixty three at the start of the nineteen fifty-nine baseball season. The family journey down to city hall which back then was still the tallest building in La and which was still visible from the hill in their backyard. Mayor Norris Poulson was hosting the dodgers for a ceremony to launch the new season a meaningless official gesture he planned to proclaim the week. Good luck to the dodgers week. But as the dodgers players descended from their charter bus and up the marble steps of City Hall Nine members of the Family and one neighbor Glenn. Walters interrupted the proceedings. Walters a tall blonde screen actress. Deep into Middle Age stood out in any crowd and especially among the family. They held aloft picket signs. We are being forced out. So the dodgers can in Mr O'malley if you want our property pay for it go back to Brooklyn o'malley pulse and put his arm around dodger manager. Walter Alston. He made a joke or to try to laugh. The whole thing off. But as the dodgers lined up on the steps for a portrait with Paulson Walters began to yell and push forward. Walters was a regal looking woman with an air of an earlier time. In the way she carried herself shoulders back she had appeared in more than fifty movies usually as an unaccredited extra she had a presence and a voice and knew how to use them according to One newspaper. Report she hugged. Manuel Noriega her longtime neighbor. This man is seventy two years old. She said her voice rising. He has worked every day of his life. And what does he get you? Take away his home. She pushed closer and closer to the team thieves. She yelled bandits. When one player who was never identified to laugh. Walters who was taller than him by a good measure turned leaned over him and called him. A PIP squeak. Finally Walters was escorted away from the scene by plainclothes police officers. She hurled a picket sign at the mayor. The protest was over City Hall. And the dodgers remain unmoved and such an interesting thing because to the dodgers players who were there. I mean I can just feel. They're awkward uncomfortable like it so much. Easier to not be confronted with the protests. Like no one. I think there is a feeling like I don't know that we all we all kind of want to just be polite and have people be polite to us and it is a challenge to be confronted with hard facts about people who who were wronged and particularly because the people who were wronged like you can't expect them to be silent about it. This is not a small thing for them. This was their whole life. This is a huge thing for them and it makes total sense that they would use every tool at their disposal to make noise about it. And to try to overturn it and yet you. While I'm reading this having I've I've had two hundred fifty pages that have made me identify with and feel sympathetic toward and feel a great sense of empathy for the families. There is still like a big part of me. That is identifying there with the dodgers being kind of like uncomfortable and not knowing whether like how I'm supposed to react and I think that's partly because of the sense of I don't know that the sense of complicity that every once in a while comes up in our sports fandom where we know that to some degree. We're all taking resources from from a community from a society for for the hobby that we have and so that is just. I don't know what to say about that but I mean I'm sure you had to think through these same things because you are a sports fan. You're not it's not like you're writing this from a position of wanting to abolish sports wanting to tear down the stadium you write from a position of really admiring the stadium and being a longtime sports fan. You've made your living writing about sports. You have not made your living writing about sports from contrarian perspective but actually writing about sports like sports writer would and so. Were you constantly having to interrogate what your feelings are about your role in this in this system and did you come away with your phantom shaken in any way or did you feel that that these things can can be reconciled? I think spoke in. Many ways was sort of the expression of my life. Long Journey of figuring out my sports fan and trying to make sense of what it is to be a sports fan and a healthy way to have a relationship sports and to sort of think deeply about sports in its place in our society. That's part of what's drama to the story for so long why. I spent years wanting to write this book and then I was writing. It turned into absolute crazy person. Who Dream about it every single night. It is complicated and I don't think there's a clean answer. Obviously I love sports. I Love Baseball. I the dodgers you know. I grew up a dodger fan in La and going to dodger games and my affinity for the dodgers in affection for dodgers stadium in particular is part of what made this so powerful for me would made me so drawn to the story. I think that we should always be critical. And I don't mean critical in the negative sense but critical in the sort of academic sense of things that we love. I think if you're gonNA love something it's good to examine it and think about it and one of those things. I Love Baseball and a lot of the baseball in. This book is sort of excavating. Why it is what it is in our society and how it became such an important sort of force in America in the middle of the century in La was so desperate to have a team and kind of getting to better understand. That was really helpful for me and kind of putting my own. Phantom into context and I also think really crucial to make this book work at all. Do you have any prescription? The coming out of this book for whether anything should be done whether I as a fan should be doing something whether the dodgers as an institution whether the city of La should be doing anything or is it enough in in your mind for people to simply give attention to this To what happened to be aware of it to incorporate it into their own sense of right and wrong and how society should work but does it. Does this call for us to do anything for anybody to do anything? Should I feel called to be doing something? I don't know if you should be called to be doing anything but I do think. The dodgers should acknowledge this in two thousand under Fox ownership. They briefly acknowledged that they had a little ceremony and they actually extended a little olive branch but it was a pretty short lived and kind of Janke expression of apology. Wait what do you mean they? They like to to the members of these communities. The elders of relevant album bishop. Some of them came to this little church near Dodger Stadium and they had a little ceremony. Kind of been apology for what happened. But I I. I don't think just on the dodgers. I think it's on the La County. I think as a society we reckon with the choices that we make and I think it's fair to say that we messed up in the fifties as a society. I mean I wasn't there I wasn't born yet neither of you but we as a society did wrong. These people and I think that government and private industry knowledge in those things would be healthy in good and a good start. I also think that we should think about what we want. Our sports teams to be in our lives and in our cities. It's really hard to overstate. How important institution like the dodgers is in L. A. and I think it's fair to ask that. These institutions which kind of pin down so much of our society are also answering to all people in our society and accessible to all of our society the TV deal is seemed to have just struck. Might be a good start. I don't know I know Roz Wyman is still alive. How many people from this booker still alive? Roughly speaking are any of them are. Is this pretty much all ancient history to the La power structure? I think it's pretty ancient history the power structure in terms of the politicians who were involved at the time Rosen and probably the last one still alive. She's still pretty active in democratic politics. Which is amazing personally. She didn't she didn't talk to me for the book but she spoken to other writers about it pretty extensively and you know. Peter o'malley is alive and he was. He was not pulling the strings but he was around watching father. And He. You know the the o'malley's have done a pretty incredible job of Generating presenting Walter Maladies Legacy The Walter Molly website is extensive and to their credit they go a lot further than dodgers in acknowledging the actual events that happened and they talk about the housing deal and the stadium and the dodgers in their tours. The stadium from what I understand. Don't they don't really mention this. They kind of policy. I think don't talk about it. I think you know you have. Some of the one of his daughter is still alive. You have some grandchildren into nieces nephews. Who were teenagers or even older at the time? Who are still alive and remember. There's people who remember it's not ancient you know it's it's a history that isn't recent but it's it's recent enough to still feel fresh to a lot of people who who lived through it all right. Well Eric Thank you very much for coming on. Thank you for for writing this book. I'm really glad that you read this book. I know that it was a book that you had on your list of things to do for like literal decades right like since you were a very young writer and that you worked on it for very long time so I would just say. I'm I'm really excited. That you get to cross it off if nothing else but I hope everybody will read it. I don't want people to be intimidated by it. It is a very readable book very enjoyable. It's an incredible history book about a just a city and there's so many joyful things and it takes so many unexpected twists. I learned that song not you you know. Obviously but the song zoot suit riot by the Brian Setzer Orchestra. I learned a lot about the actual zoot suit riot and as a Sam I believe. That's the Cherry Daddy's Jerry you're right Jerry Rubin Daddy sorry about that as a resident of La County. I was embarrassed by how little I knew about. Not that embarrassed. I'm excited at how much more I know I wanNA take. I Really WanNa take the walking tour of of of La now with you. I want you to take me out to to dodger. Stadium's parking lot and point at everything. Tell me where it was and what you know when you describe view that a photographer had I want to go to the to the hill where that view was an put all this geography in motion. After after the pandemic will do it. All right we can do it. Can you come in Tacoma now but We'd stay the all right Eric. Thank you very much. Thank you and now. Ben will be talking to jared diamond show and A. How's IT lands? Alright so I am joined now by diamond. Who is National Baseball Writer for the Wall Street Journal and is now off the author of a book? Swing kings the inside story of baseball's Homerun Revolution heard. Hey thanks for having me. Happy to congrats on the book and I think this one really kind of resonated with me because obviously I've been interested in the subject myself and I think that you and I and travis such all kind of independently got fascinated with this whole revolution in player development and coaching mechanics around the same time. And I know that Travis tonight had our own origin stories. I think Travis really got into it because he was covering Marlon Byrd when he was a beat writer for the pirates. And I kind of got into it. Because it was just so fascinated by richhill his transformations. So what was it for you that really give you the bug because you you have to really care about a subject to want to write a book about it at least to write a baseball book which is probably not going to make you mega rich and famous. Although I hope I hope so too I don't mean do a jumbotron on Travis but really it was Marlon Byrd for me too because my first year covering baseball was twenty thirteen. I was covering the mets. That was the year the mets signed bird as to minorly deal it was the most nothing signing of all time. No one thought anything of it. Of course he makes the team by the beginning of. May He's the mets cleanup hitter. He had incredible. Season gets traded to the pirates in the rest is history and. I spent all year sort of badgering her about what's going on. How are you so how you doing this? You're thirty five years old. No one thought this is possible and they wouldn't say he was very coy. I made some changes to my swing when really get into. Why or how until much later in the year? Really after he caught the Pittsburgh basically was when he finally I acknowledged that he remained a swing with an independent coach named Doug glad the first four months the season. I'm just saying what is going on. He wouldn't tell me but once he did tell me and once he told Travis and others once it got out there I just became fascinated. Especially when more stories like this started sprouting up culminating for me with with Josh Johnson. Having Bobby Tewksbury throw to him in the Homerun Derby and that sort of when I rise. Okay there's something really going on here. Yeah and it's so fascinating against to all of us the idea that these players who were already really good and got to the top of their profession and were there for years and some of their cases had a higher gear head more talent that they had not unlocked yet. Because I had always assumed that if you were going to be a big leaguer and stay there for a while you must have already extracted everything that you could out of whatever natural talent you had because it's so competitive and so difficult and yet it turned out that that wasn't the case that these veterans like bird like retail thirty five year old guys. Where all of this time seemingly not getting the most other abilities and I think the question that everyone has especially about the swing and this homerun revolution is. Why did it take so long and I think you did a good job in the book of explaining why and how the old swing the swing down and squish the bug and all of that was sort of rooted in baseball tradition. That this actually was a smart way to swing the bat in the early days of baseball when the Paul was dead and you wanted to hit the ball on the ground because you could get on base more reliably that way. So why do you think it took so long? I mean this is decades decades even going back to Ted Williams explaining what the optimal sewing was. Why did it take so long for these ideas to really be embraced? Thought all uh you mentioned about some of the early early days of baseball really fascinated me. This idea that people were taught to swing down because it actually was beneficial to swing down in the early twentieth century late Nineteenth Century. Because the ball wasn't made to fly and there were no fences or if there were they were you know a ten million feet away and players didn't even wear gloves or they had really rudimentary gloves so died in no. I knew there was no gloves what I didn't know when I first started doing. The book was the all time records for errors in a season in major league baseball. All the first you know twenty seasons of Major League Baseball Existence. Which did I just had never thought of in. Didn't know so that was. That's a part of it that the swing was always taught to be this way and it just sort of continued on and on and beyond that though what really struck me and what. I really learned during the book is What the criteria was to be a coach in Major League Baseball for most of baseball history was very shockingly simple it was basically you played. Major League Baseball and your manager and your friends with the manager. Basically that was it. If you fit those two qualification you could be a coach. So what happened was there was just this. Endless cycle of coaches teaching would their coach taught before them who was teaching would they taught before them and use trace it all the way. Back to the beginning of baseball there was just no room for innovation of Justice. Endless Cycle of sort of uninspired coaching. That was passed on through generations and generations in took people as far away from the epicenter of professional baseball. Say maybe there's a better way maybe the answer to why do we do? This shouldn't be because it's always been that way. Yeah and a lot of people have asked me after the. Mvp machine came out. Why did it happen now? Or why is it happening more quickly than the sort of first sabermetrics revolution at least as we portrayed it in our book we described this as sort of the sequel to that a another phase of the sabermetrics revolution? Where I it was about finding good players who are already out there whose contributions were going unrecognised and then this next phase was sort of about getting the most out of players making players better which was not something that moneyball was really concerned about and so the question is well the seems to be adopted faster than that you know that was decades and decades of Bill James Writing in obscurity and others doing studies and teams not really paying any attention or actively sneering at that stuff whereas now I think this is happening a little more quickly and maybe that's partly because the technology arrived at the right time to measure this stuff but also I think it was the teams. Were just sort of ready to give these guys chance. And you talk about Craig. Walbrook in your book. Who's maybe the most prominent character and he sort of got an audition with a team but the team? The White Sox in his case just wasn't ready yet. So I think at least from my perspective you kind of had to have people running these teams who were outsiders themselves who were then willing to give outsiders shot at actually instructing players because previously there'd been this divide between the front office and the field and it was like well. You can't actually tell. What the coaches what to do or the manager what to do this as their area that they get to control but once you started getting some non former players running teams. It seems like maybe that was the key where they said. Well I'm an outsider and I had something to add here so maybe Craig Quilt. Exactly you. I think you really just hit it just there. Which is money ball was all about bring all of album? Big Part of it was bringing some of these outsiders into the fold end of front offices and suddenly those people who were once. Outsiders are far more open to bring in outside of their own than their predecessors. If you're if you're Andrew Friedman or or Europe Billy bean or your any of these one time outsider. Gm types. Of course. You're more open to people like yourself. People that would be have considered unconventional hires. Five six seven years ago so. I'm not surprised that those people are now saying I was a weird higher and this is now the mainstream. There's probably a better way to hire people under US as well. Yeah and that's really opened up the possibilities. Where coaches without high level playing careers have been hired. Women Have Been Hired to coaching positions that they previously had occupied because there was this experience based barrier for entry people who put stuff out on social media or on various websites and showed that they knew what they were talking about. Got Gigs granted. Not every outsider does know what they're talking about outsiders who were just as clueless as some of the coaches. We're preaching counterproductive practices. Were but on the whole. It's better to evaluate candidates based on whether they can teach and not how well they could play. So how do you explain? The players who did hit for power and did have fly ball oriented swings during the years when that was not really the standard instruction in professional baseball where these players just sort of naturally inclined to do that and they were good enough that no one messed with them or were there people who weren't really instructing the sub optimal mechanics. And you could kind of get away with that approach I do think that great hitters or come out of the womb. Great like no one ever taught Mike Trout to swing the way he swings Mike. Trout picked up a baseball bat when he was two years older. Five years old and his body organized itself in such a way to hit the ball as far as possible. Every every child knows that he wanted the balls. Far as you possibly can not everybody's body knows how to organize itself in a way to allow them to do that. And great hitters. Have that no one ever teach. Alex Rodriguez Albert pools. How to swing a bat? In fact you could use here that by listening to them talk. I think anyone that's heard On Sunday night baseball or any of these guys they say why Alex is said. I think I tried to sit down and try to hit the top of the ball. Then you actually watch what he did and he's not doing that at all and that's when you realize he's only he's saying that in reverse he's saying he does that he was always told. That's what you should do to have a good swing. Although in reality his body knows that's not the right thing to do and he's swinging up and hitting the bottom of the ball hitting the ball in the air so I think they're just serve this natural selection to were for the most part great hitters. Did it right? And then there's probably throughout history tons of guys jd Martinez who had enough athletic ability natural ability to make the major league sort of get by on sheer force of will. Because that's how guys like Martinez got the major leagues doing what they were doing. Their swings were sub optimal. His swing was mechanically sort of laud but he had so much natural. Athleticism in willpower. Answer of drive that he was able to will himself to the major leagues. I'm sure there's other guys. Throughout history who with a little bit different instruction or more optimize swing mechanic could have been even better players than they ended up becoming. Yeah and I thought one of the most interesting aspects of the book was when you spoke to a movement expert essentially about why. It's so difficult why it's challenging to change your mechanics and guess it makes sense to anyone. You know you build up this muscle memory and by the time a player gets to the big leagues to dramatically reinvent himself. At that point it's challenging. We all can experience that in commiserate with that based on whatever physical activities we perform. But there's really a difference between say a a slight minor adjustment to his swing and one of the more radical reinventions that can just mean that an entirely different part of your brain has to get activated and that can make orders of magnitude more difficult absolutely but what's amazing about. Pro Athletes is their bodies are basically designed to be able to make those changes faster than for someone like you or someone like me or a normal person if you have. That's where your genetics really comes into. Not You can't just teach somebody to be a major league hitter. Trust ME I. I tried while riding. Book didn't quite work. You need to be born with some natural lettuces. You have that you're going to be much more easily able to make the changes you need More easily force your body to learn new tricks as it were Than for a normal person so it really is a combination of techniques. And you just gotTa have it like. That's the that's sort of a frustrating thing about it was frustrating for me. This idea that you have the perfect swing mechanics and still not be a great hitter. Because it sort of is a combination of art and science and not. Can't be everybody but if you have that ability to have the body you have the hand eye coordination the reflexes with technique. You go from being sort of a fringe player to a star so for the players who haven't successfully adopted this new mold of swing and granted. It's not a one size. Fits all thing. There may be some principles that a best swing hasn't common for all players but the exact angle that you should be shooting for differs based on your attributes as a player but for those who have may be tried to reinvent their swing and have failed or haven't tried when they should. What do you think is the biggest obstacle is a mental thing is that they just don't have the mindset that they are really willing to invest in the changes at that they don't click with a specific coach? What are the real hurdles that have to be cleared? A few have come up or had come up in my reporting talking to people one one big one is just trying to make a change but not fully committing to it or having this sort of doubt in the back of your mind or fear that it's not going to work not truly truly truly committing to at that is certainly something that happens but the other thing that I've seen happen a lot talking to people about it. Is people trying to go about changing their swings but not necessarily a quite knowing how to do it and I think some of the tools and technologies that we associate with this revolution. It's sort of a double edged sword. The talk about launch angle specifically. I think to a lot of folks. This book is like the Launch Angle Book. I don't personally think of it that way. I think launch angle this or advent of it in the emphasis on it has worked against some players. There's definitely some players out there major league players that have heard while I need to improve my launch angle. So the way they go about doing that is basically just sort of swinging up or making the goal to improve their lawn jingle. Well no good hitting coach. Whatever keeps that in fact the hitting coach is I write about the book sort of are more or less against launch angle as a teaching tool at all their attitude is that launch angle is a measurement. It is the result. It's not what you're chasing after. It's not what you're seeking if you swing right if you are taught to swing the right way it will result in hard. Hit Balls with the Right Launch Angle? That's what you should be chasing that right swing but if you're just going out there wanting to improve your launching that's easy just swing straight up and I think we all think of some players. Perhaps that have tried to change their swings. And it's failed and it's I think for many. That's a big part of it right. Yeah we both had the experience of hitting with Doug Ladda while we were working on her books and we both also talked more tech oriented instructors who did have a bunch of data and gadgets and everything but when I hit with Doug there was nothing. There is no hit tracks machine. There is nothing measuring my exit. Velocity or anything I was Kinda wondering well am I actually getting better? Don't you want to measure me to to see them getting better but he could just kinda teller? He wasn't really aiming to up my exit philosophy by X. Miles per hour or something. It was more about. Well let's go back to the first principles of what makes an effective swing and let's mold you in that direction. And the data you know if you were to gather the data that data would reflect that. But we're not really gonNA use it as a teaching tools necessarily whereas other coaches will and you know other batting cages will have that stuff in there so you can hit in real time and get that real time feedback so even though. I guess this new model of swing is more in line with the data. The swing kings themselves kind of differ in the extent to which they're actually relying on that or or bring it into the cage with them. All you need technology in the use of it is only as good as the person who's sort of utilizing it. You still need somebody who knows how to use this technology in a way that's beneficial and just hooking somebody up to a hit track machine them saying go. I mean there's value to that there's the theories of education and teaching that says okay you put someone in a cage with hit tracks and say your goals it hit ninety miles an hour exit velocity organizer. Roddy to do that. That's sort of one approach but I think a better way is to use these tools to inform but you still need someone to sort of point you in the right direction and show you how to achieve your goals while using the technology. I don't think I don't think I could be hooked up to a hit track machine and I couldn't become a better hitter without you. Know more instruction from there so it's impossible to talk about the homerun revolution without talking about the ball and there have been a couple of LP commission scientific studies of the role that the ball has played in home run rates and I think the first MLB commission study basically said yet all the ball. It's nothing else. And then the more recent study said. Well it's maybe about sixty percent the ball and everything else is maybe mechanics related. So how do you kind of balance those things or give weight to each when it comes to the home runs that we've seen why was thrilled in December when that report came out? That's for sure one because the book was pretty much done at that point and the ball was a real issue or not issue but it was a real factor this idea that we know the balls behaving differently and does that invalidate the work that some of these players made their swings and is it truly just a product of the ball and the ball were to change. Would they all just lose their ability so when those scientists came out in attributed forty percent of the rise in home runs between nineteen to what they described as change in launch? Behavior was their fancy. Way of saying swinging differently. That was encouraging to me. I think they go hand-in-hand right. The balls are cutting through the air sort of like a hot knife through butter. The balls are flying. If you get the ball near that only incentivizes layers. Hit the ball in the air even more so it surprise me that hitters. Okay the balls. Hot The ball in the air. It's going to fly while maybe we should be changing our swings to hit the ball in the air more. The reality is hitting the ball in the air for almost all baseball history. Outside of those very early days has always been a better approach than hitting the ball on the ground. I mean I sort of cited this statistic a bunch but since twenty fifteen major league hitters hit two forty seven to sixty nine slugging percentage on balls on the ground balls in the air. It's four zero six batting average in seven. Eighty seven slugging percentage. Those are such enormous differences. That I I I just don't buy that. The only explanation for why hitting the ball mayor is better than the ground is the ball. Yeah and it is helpful to have that data I mean again. It seems like it should be so intuitive and it was to Ted Williams and the way he explained it at least now to us seems very intuitive. And You wonder. Why didn't anyone thinks this? But of course they didn't have those numbers they didn't have the well. Here's how batters hit if you break it down by Stat Castle on angle or even by ground. Baller fly ball or something so just to have that. It's kind of an argument and dirty. No right there when you can just show those numbers that weren't available to previous generation of players and coaches and say well. This is just what leads to the best outcome. There's really no arguing with that. Exactly it is in arguable. That hitting the ball in the air leads to better resulting the ball ground and Ted Williams knew it. And that's what so amazing in one thousand nine hundred seventy Ted Williams. Wrote the scientists hitting Essentially the Bible by the arguably the greatest hitter of all time saying you've probably heard that the ideal swing with down or level but I am telling you I'm here to tell you the ideal swing up what he described as a ten degree angle up. I have no idea how Ted Williams determined to ten degrees without any technology to back it up but that said Williams for you and people strangely sort of dismissed it and that was one of the craziest things to me because in what other industry do people here the greatest ever say something and go well. That might work for you. But I'm going to model myself after this more average practitioner of this craft. It makes no sense. That was the attitude for a long time while you're Ted Williams. You're free you're superhuman. You have crazy vision and you have this new of that. That may work for you but that would never work for John. Smith over here is more normal person. I think we now know that the crazy way of thinking and it sounds crazy to say. That really was the logic for a long time. Yeah and to go back to the ball for a moment. Some of the real notable trailblazers here that are parts of both of our books. You know the the Donaldson's in the Turner's and the JD Martinez. Those guys embarked on their reinventions before the Paul became what it is now and they really transform themselves as players before the home run rate really took off which does lend some credence the idea that even if the ball does go back to normal and even if it's a little less advantageous to hit the ball in the air they're still something to be gained there but I am curious because you wrote about this for the Wall Street Journal last month. Do you think that we will get an automated Pahala? A more tightly controlled baseball at some point in the future because we've had this incredible fluctuations from year to year. It's really undermined. Mlb credibility in a lot of ways and yet there is this weight of tradition behind the hint stitch ball. I really don't think we're going to see it anytime soon. I don't for my from the people I talked to. In being around Major League baseball their attitude is really against any sort of synthetic ball using anything but natural materials the same leather and rubber yarn that they've used forever and I understand. Why sort of really do see it both ways. I'm sure there's GonNa be a group of fans there that they will. You have the ability with technology to make a synthetic ball. That could behave exactly as you want it to. I mean that's how it is in golf. There's it's golf balls or may have synthetic materials for the most part and they have to fit within very narrow specs and they make the balls to do. They want them to do baseball. Could do that but it would be. A different ball. Wouldn't feel the same similar probably but wouldn't feel exactly the same. It would look similar but not exactly. The same certainly wouldn't have that of emotional attachment people have to the ball now the way it smells the way. It sort of feels coming out of the box. That would be different. And I think Major League baseball views that is valuable and valuable. Enough to make it worth to have some fluctuation on the ball. I'm sure they would prefer to have it not be quite as insane as it's been the last few years I know. They're actively working to try to figure that out. But I don't really see any time soon. Them going machine made synthetic ball and there is live with the fluctuations until them. Yeah well as we both covered. Golf has kind of been ahead of baseball when it comes to technology in some of the principles of the swing so. I suppose it's possible that golf is just ahead of baseball in that respect too and that baseball will catch up. But there's so much tradition behind the hint stitch ballpit. I just don't know how soon that could possibly happen. But I am. Curious about some of these really dramatic reinvention stories. That kind of inevitably are part of both of our books. Because you can't tell the story of this era without touching on the JD Martinez and the marlins birds in the Justin Turner's but those are really helpful. For storytellers like us. You know from a narrative sense. They make very compelling tales. But do you think that we will continue to see those dramatic mid career or even late career reinventions because as the principles become pervasive and widely adopted. Maybe players won't even get to that point in their career with the bad mechanics quote unquote and they'll just have the good mechanics to begin with and we won't actually see anyone making these dramatic late career changes. It's going to be harder I think. But that's in part because team to finally on smarter with rain a mechanics and to who they're hiring to do the job look. Look how many people that I wrote about my book. I'm sure you wrote about in your book. He has well for sure. Who are independent coaches three years ago or four years ago and are now working in Major League Baseball or Minor League Baseball? These sort of innovators who were on the fringes of the industry are no longer on the fringes. They're increasingly becoming in the mainstream. That's why it seems like every day someone else from Dr Line is being hired by a big league team or that independent instructor. That fixed player is now the hitting coordinator for Team Y. That's that's what it's going to be to the point where these sorts of hires which are still news worthy because they're still somewhat unusual will cease to be they'll just be the mainstream and there's going to be this all around professional baseball coaches with seemingly unusual backgrounds those who didn't play those that are serve rooted in bio mechanics and technology and things of that nature. It's good though you don't necessarily these stories are fun. They're make for great stories but they're not optimal from a player development standpoint players are teams. Rather WanNa get to the point where they're getting the most out of their players before they get bad. Need TO BE FIXED. But there's always gonNA be players that rise from obscurity. I hope they're always will be but I don't know if you're gonNA see as many Jd Martinez is let's go to a warehouse in the middle of La and remake your swing from scratch with some random guy that no one's ever heard of. I think that's going to be a lot more unusual yet. Do you think there is a future for the independent facilities the unattached swing king? Because you know it is incredible as you said the pace at which these outsiders have become and every time we had a book deadline it was like checking to make sure that all of our sources had not gotten hired by team since we spoke to them because so many of them had and yet I have talked to some of them who say well I want to be independent. I want to be able to work with anyone not just one teams hitters and I want my ideas to be public to a certain extent. Maybe at don't WanNa be in house and you know maybe their players who'd rather work with someone who's outside the team but we have seen so many brought into the fold and there's kind of been this independent brain drain going into organized baseball. So right now we see like Dr Line. For instance a lot of people have been hired by teams but then there are some people like oh chart like Bodey who have kind of found this middle ground at least right now where they kind of are still affiliated with Dr Line but also working with a team. Which is you know. Maybe presents some kind of odd issues from time to time. So what do you think the future is of the Independent Facility or instructor? I do think there's always going to be people that believe that it's somehow conflict the work for teams. They don't want to be caught up in the bureaucracy that comes with working for professional organization where there's so many layers of coaching. And you really don't have the time or the opportunity to serve work one on one with players the way you do independent coach you really. Don't get that and you go inside the system. Suddenly you're responsible you. Let's say you're hitting two responsible for the whole team. You're talking about thirteen fourteen haters. You have to monitor all of them in the job of a hitting coach in Major League Baseball or even Minor League Baseball Story Different Than Independent coach. It's really as much about mechanics as much as about the mental side of hitting and cheerleading and making sure players mentally physically prepared to go out and do their jobs because talking about a full season five six months ago. There really isn't time in the middle of that season. They were going to remake your swing. There just isn't you're just trying to survive trying to play every single day. It's been the off season where these guys could go to. These independent coaches. Say It just GonNa be you and me and we're going to really focus on mechanics. Nothing else we're going to really focus on the swing and I think there's always going to be people out there who say that's what I do. I fixed swings. I don't WanNa get in the business of trying to monitor this or mental state of thirteen hitters. I just want guys that want to work with me and I wanNA work with them. We could just get really intensive increasingly going to be biotic relationship between the inside and the outside were teams recognized with their limitations and that. Hey we might not really have the bandwidth of the resources to devote to say okay. We're just going to work with you. Exclusively all offseason and fixer swing. We're GONNA send you to sort of an approved outside guy than we have. Vetted and decide knows what he's talking about. We're GONNA send you there in the Austin to work on your swing and that's it and I think you're starting to get there. Where teams are now referring a hitter the dugout or referring hitters to cry Walbrook as opposed to players has sneak off on their own and hope they don't get caught. What did you learn about? What kind of background leads one to become an innovative or effective teacher? 'cause that's something you know you talk about it with athletes themselves as it better to specialize in one sport or to play a bunch of sports and then pick one that you're well suited for and maybe it's sort of the same with coaches where not that. You can't be a good coach if you've only ever been a a baseball player or coach but I think in both of our stories there are some characters who really had unusual background sin had non baseball training an interest. That led to sort of this multidisciplinary approach where they were able to synthesize things. And somehow come up with them baseball insights out of it. Many of them did and many of the people that I write about in the book are those who a has a varied interests that extend beyond baseball Craig Wong. Brock is probably the main character of the book or at least one of them. He has one of the most fascinating backstories of any person. I've ever met in any field in my life. The Guy Quits baseball before he plays a single game of college. Ball San Diego state becomes a full-time surfer and self-described pot. Smoking hippy and talking to him is just an exercise in trying to keep up his. He's talking about Samurais and then he's talking about Chinese painters from the thirteen hundred and then he's talking about folk music from the sixties and then he's talking about some book read and then he's talking about this and that and somehow it all relates back to hitting and sometimes it's hard for me to even follow how it relates back in the swing of somehow. It always does so. I think that sort of creative sort of varied interests set helps a lot. The other thing that these guys all seem to have in common is this curiosity to understand why they sailed. Most people play baseball on. Almost all of them fail and most of them to say well. I wasn't good enough. And they move on with their lives. That's what I did it's renewed. That's what almost everyone does. That wasn't enough for these people. People Dug Ladda people like Craig Walbrook. They failed and they wanted to understand why they became obsessed with knowing what they did wrong. That's a really powerful quest when you devote your life to understanding why you didn't succeed to make sure others don't not succeed. You could really accomplish a lot. I think that was very common thread between all these guys that I need to know what didn't work for me. I don't have that. I never had that drive with baseball. I just stopped playing when I was eighteen. Realized I wasn't all that good. That was pretty much. It not the case for guys like Doug Ladda. Yeah in a way that makes Ted Williams even more amazing to me. Because he didn't fail rated he'd enough to figure out why it wasn't working for him. It was working for him. He was the best and you know maybe he was the best partly because he had this intellectual curiosity but he probably didn't have to be quite as scientific as he was to be a great baseball player and yet he still had that drive. So that sort of inspired to another thing that I wanted to ask about is kind of the attitudes in the interpersonal skills that these different figures have because obviously in the MVP machine there are guys like. Trevor Bauer in. Kyle Bodey and in your book. Richard Chink. Who are very abrasive and really piss people off and kind of take this. Us versus them attitude to a certain extent and we're trying to tear down the traditions and we have to you know lob bombs at convention but then there are other figures whether it's Wallin Brock or Brian Bannister in my book or Doug. Ladda in both of our books who don't really seem to have that flame burning inside them. That makes them really angry about being snubbed. For years and WANNA sort of lash out. So why do you think there is that difference and do you think one styler another has been more effective overall? Bring Richard Jank. He's Richard Chang's an interesting character. A He is a independent hitting coach slash professional Internet troll. I think we'd be Beth way to describe him. And through a very shocking turn of events in his life had the opportunity to work with Aaron Judge Inbetween twenty sixteen in two thousand seventeen and at least in the mind of Aaron Judge had an enormous effect on making him a better hitter. Aaron Judge Richard's work to why he had that huge breakout in two thousand seventeen. But Richard. Chang is also roundly despised in the baseball community If anyone goes to find on twitter you'll just see survey collection of sort of bullying and increasingly nasty things. He is very abrasive and he's hated but Aaron Judge also thinks he helped are. How do you reconcile that It was one of the big struggles. The book was figuring out how to present this guy. Look Richard Shank does not work in professional baseball and he's never going to work in professional baseball because no team would ever have someone like that on their staff why he is the way he is so we're talking about what's better approach. I'll never gonNA really believe that being like Richard Shank per Is Sort of the the right approach? Now he says that his attitude online is just his filter and it's how he determines which players really serious about working with him and I also should say that Richard Shank that if you meet him in real life which I have quite a few times. He's nothing like he is on the Internet. And that makes it all the more appaling. So I don't really advise being a professional Internet troll. I don't really think it's the best way to teach the teach anything but who who am I to judge. He taught Aaron judge so I wonder how much you wrestled with the structure of your story because that was something that Travis. A night spent so much time considering. How do you tell the story? Because it's not like moneyball. For instance the story of one team or one executive or even one season or something. It's really spread out there. All these different figures who were sort of doing things maybe independently or related but at different times and different seasons and different players and that can be jarring potentially for a reader. If you don't do it right. And then there's the history aspect too and jumping back and forth in time. So how did you figure out how to do that? And did you go through Multiple structures before you settled on this one. It was the hardest thing of writing the buck. Yeah was figuring that out and I don't know if this was the right approach or not but for me what it was was I I for most of the process. I literally didn't even consider the structure. Actually we're going to get into the writing process. What I I did once. I narrow down who I wanted to write about. I knew there is primarily four coaches each of whom have one primary clients that I wanted to work once. I figured that out I said Okay for now. Let's just take these four separate stories? I'm GonNa tell the stories of these four people in their in their pupils. These eight human beings. Nanga tell their stories separately. I add separate sort of documents where I said this is my Craig Walbrook story and this is my Doug Laddis story and this is my Richard Shanks during a road. It like. It was a big magazine story. Essentially however many thousands of words it took the right at once. I had all four of them. Then it was okay now to find a way to massage these together. Where do they flow? Fortunately I had a very good editor William Morrow that was able to sort of help me a little bit with it and figuring out where to splice it together. It felt a little bit at times like sort of building Frankenstein's monster where you're taking like an eyeball from here and hair from here and uneven here. But I I hope it worked out in the end. I hope it's not too confusing. I was like my big fear. Will people be able to follow all these different stories at the same time? Yeah outlining it worked for me but I went through that same experience so I was probably more sympathetic than the average person but Another thing that I think we both dealt with was trying to tell the stories of people are teams who have been kind of discredited for various reasons. Whether fairly or not so in our case for instance. The Astros have been player-development innovators when it comes to teams and adopting implementing some of these ideas not as an independent facility but as an actual NLP ORGANIZATION. They are also cheaters in for sure. And you know in the case of your book you wrote about Marlon Byrd and Chris Cabello and both of them were people who reinvented their swings and had much improved results but then also tested positive for PD's and in birds case multiple times and you know the Astros we know cheated the players we can never really know for sure and they've maintained their innocence but a lot of people look at the Astros and say well. They're good because they cheated and a lot of people look at Burton Allen saved. They're good because they were taking. Pete is an it can be both you know you can be innovative. You can be better. And also cheaters had but that's a kind of a hard thing to relate or convince people of so. How did you approach that? You know it was tough. It was really tough to try to navigate that recognize. There's always going to be people that are not gonNA take say Chris. Caldelas changes seriously because of the fact that he tested positive for P. D.'s. And there's no way around it. It's just a fact he did you kind of have to just own it and figure out how to handle it so. I thought of it this way. There's a couple of things one like anyone. That's seen Chris. Callapollo hit with the Blue Jays and before the Blue Jays could say with their own naked. Is clearly this guy. Did something different? His swing was different. He made big changes. There's absolutely no question that he made changes. So that is just a fact so you could always point that out and say these are the changes that he made because you could see them. The other issue becomes the more complicated one of well did he really take. Pd's or not and that's a question. I can't answer. I spent a lot of time with Chris. Collin Bello and he is told me in great detail his story about that positive tests and why it happened and everything that's associated with it and I think all I could do as a writer in his writing. The story is putting it all out there and leaving it to readers to decide what they think. Do they believed him or not? Only really matters if I believe whether Chris Kalibbala took. Pd's or not or whether Marlon Byrd took these or not. I could say they both have interesting stories when you talk to them about it. You just try to presented sympathetically as you can and see if in let people decide what they want to believe about it and additionally there's also from a narrative perspective does serve a little bit of like drama to the story where it does plant that seed of doubt in people's minds. What Chris Kalla Bello would happen to him as real what happened to Merlin Bird Israel but then you know Justin Turner also worked with said. He hasn't tested positive for P. D.'s. And he had incredible success because of Marlin bird like these people despite their flaws or shortcomings are the things that they did or didn't do they still are part of the story. They added to sort of the hidden conversation. I think that's valuable no matter what the truth is right. So something else we both dealt with was the question of whether optimal baseball is better baseball from an entertainment perspective and of course a lot of people think that throughout comes baseball's less entertaining. There's fewer policy and play. There's less defensive action there's less based running etc and some people like homers and some people. Don't but I think the question that I have there is a perception that the quote unquote launch. Angle swing is geared toward home runs but also strikeouts that. You can't have one with the other and I wonder to what extent you think that's true because clearly there are some players who may be go toward more of a an uppercut swing and there is a tradeoff there where it's less contact but perhaps better contact when they do make contact but does that have to be the case because you know this upward swing is really just about meeting the ball on the trajectory that it's coming in and you're trying to keep the bat in zone for a longer period of time. Which in theory could help you in contact as well as power. So is there a trade off there? Does there have to be or can you have both things? I completely disagree with this perception that the rise in strikeouts baseball's a product of batters trying to swing for the fences or proton quote launch angle swings. There's a few reasons. Why sort of anecdotally look guys who change their swings. Domhnall strike out a ton. Let's look at Justin Turner. Just as an example. He has made incredible. Changes to a swing has had incredible. Success Hits power hits average in twenty seventeen thousand five hundred forty three plate appearances strikeout fifty six times in two thousand eighteen. He struck out fifty. Four Times to Daniel Murphy comes to mind as well as a guy that made major changes to his swing. Hits FOR POWER HAS A ton of extra-base hits. Opiates as well over nine. Hundred for a couple of years striking out in. Twenty Sixteen Fifty Seven Times in Twenty eight hundred forty times in limited action. It doesn't have to be one of the other. I think people like saying it does because they want to attribute something for the rise in strikeout. I don't think people really want to attribute what I think. Is the real reason for the rise in strike outs baseball? Which to me has much more to do with pitching dance with hitting wedding. People have to understand and don't quite appreciate enough is there is a reason why hitters across baseball view. The home run as necessary for survival. It's because pitching now is so ridiculously. Good guys throw so hard. The slider seemed to defy the laws of physics. You never face the tired pitcher because we have much better bullpen optimization. Now every picture that you face in the game today is essentially optimize to get you and you alone out. And then add in the fact that because defensive positioning in advances in that realm. It's even harder to find grass when you put the ball in play. Therefore the idea of stringing together three hits for hits or more in an innings score runs as possible and theory. But it's really really hard with pitching this good. The best way to score is a do it with one swing. And that's why you see batters trying to hit more home runs but because of that quality of pitching yeah there's gotta be strikeouts. It really goes both ways. Do I think that there's maybe too many strikeouts in the game right now for it to be as aesthetically pleasing as it could be. Maybe I think there's a real valid argument there but I also know that the old way of thinking which is strike outs were shameful. And they were to be avoided at all costs. That also was wrong was clearly I mean? He watched older games from the seventies or earlier. Yeah the game. Move faster part because guys were swinging at everything because the goal is just to put the ball in play clearly a better offensive approach is that it's okay to take a striker two or K- to strike out and wait for pitch. You could drive. There's probably a middle ground here between lifts swing and everything and hit the ball in play and hit ground balls the shortstop every time in let's strike out ten billion times a season. There's probably somewhere in between but I I just fundamentally disagree with the idea that hitters and their approach or responsible for what's happened with all the strike outs in baseball. Yeah I agree that it's definitely not the bulk of it that yes maybe if you're not trying to make contact at all costs than you are occasionally accepting a strikeout where you wouldn't have otherwise because you are trying to hit the ball hard but I agree that that most of it is pitching. It's just very hard to hit pitchers these days. There has been some evidence. I've seen some people write about the fact that the correlation between STRIKEOUT RATE OVERALL OFFENSIVE PRODUCTION. Which for years sort of supported the idea that more strikeouts tended to go hand-in-hand with better production. Now that seems to have gone away a little bit maybe because putting the ball in play now that the ball is travelling the way it is is more advantageous so there doesn't seem to be as clearer relationship there and maybe that puts a little more emphasis on contact for hitters. Even though for pitchers there is still really a premium on avoiding contact. And there's this case of misaligned incentives were players do what works for them and makes them more money and teams look for players and pay players. Who Do the things that helped them win? More Games and they're all acting rationally but neither of them may be acting in the best interest of baseball fans so that will continue to drive this which you know if the ball does go back to what it used to be and we see offense crater. I think it will be not really because of the mechanics or because of these new swing ideas just more because it's really hard to hit and so if the ball is not traveling anymore when you do hit it then you're GonNa see a real suppression in offense and that kind of leads into one of my last questions here. Which is something that I get asked a lot. And maybe you've been asked a lot which is who has the upper hand in the next five years or ten years pick your timeframe do hitters or pitchers have more to gain because pitching has been ahead of hitting when it comes to data and technology and some of these new innovations. So does that mean that hitting now has a chance to catch up and equalize things a little or will there be another revolution bio mechanics. Or whatever that pitchers will be at the forefront of We already see pitchers designing brand new pitches that never existed before and all this incredible technology designed to get batters out. The reality is picturing has had been so far ahead of hitters for so long it wasn't even close. How far ahead pitching was and yes hitting has started to close that gap but the gap is still enormous pitchers to me still have such an enormous advantage and frankly they should and pitching always had an advantage over hitting but I still think there's room for that gap to close. Perhaps I don't think hitting its peak of yet but I am sure that very quickly pitching to take another step forward. That's sort of what the history of baseball is right. Pitching always has an advantage. And sometimes I'd gap closes a little bit but then inevitably it's widens again as pitching just gets better. I think that's what's been the trajectory of baseball forever. And I'm not sure that's ever really GonNa Change. All right so maybe my last question then is if there's a big league hitter multiple big league hitters pastor present who you wish had seen a swing king and never did or hasn't but someone who maybe had the raw talent or power but just never translated it or fully harnessed it because they had some suboptimal swing mechanic or they were hitting the ball into the ground that you just kind of wonder what if what might have been or what might still be though. This is good surprise. A lot of people I think surprise me. I asked this question to virtually every hitting coach. I met the question I asked was. What hitter in Major League Baseball now? Do you believe that you can really help that? You could help the most of you got your hands on this guy. We'd see major improvements and I expected to hear some pretty obscure names. Guys that would have you know would maybe not have even heard of or would have thought very low of Turner or JD. Martinez never gone to see while unbrotherly. Actually not the answer. I heard I would say I asked this question to a lot of people. No joke about ninety percent of these people name the same player and that was June Carlos. Stanton which completely blew my mind because he had fifty nine home runs in the season. Two thousand seventeen I asked. How could that be? He's so good and they said look swing visit look like a natural swing that he's getting the most out of his physical gifts and frankly. I'm not qualified to writing Kenny. A hitting man. I am not an expert on the swing by any means and how it works but yeah you watch Giancarlo Stanton and frankly. It's a little awkward looking as that weird close stance and it never really looked smoothie. He strong athletic. But I sort of started see like what if this guy had a craig Juan Brock or Doug Ladda working with his swing but that body and that physical presence would we see a guy that hit fifty home runs but instead of that lifetime to sixty eight batting average. Have that be three twenty. I mean that would be scary to think about. I don't know if it's true by this. Know that a lot of people said I wish they'd get their hands on Jan Carlos. Stanton I kinda wish you could happen. I would. I would love to see like the most optimize Giancarlo Stanton six six two hundred fifty pound monster. Yeah that's a scary thought to think Chunk Cross Denton as good as he's been has been sort of figuratively speaking swinging with one hand tied behind his backer when massive arm. But I'm sure Aaron Judge Could Give Him Richard. Chinks number interested. Oh God please no. I can't handle any more of that so you can read the book again. It is called swing kings. You can read jared in the Wall Street Journal and find him on twitter at jared diamond. Do you have any recommended way for people to buy the book or any options? People might not know about in these strange circumstances. Of course these are weird times not the book launch. I imagined I didn't quite imagine releasing book into a global pandemic and then I understand that not. Everybody is in the position to go buy a book right now and I'm totally respectful and understand that however there's a lot of independent bookstores out there. That really could use the help like any small business. So I've been telling people during the position to buy from their local store. A lot of independent bookstores are still fulfilling orders online scrambling to do so. It's tough Soviet in the position to. I know these are business. That could use the help and I could use the help too all right. Well congrats again and thanks for your time. Thank you so much all right so same night. Divided and conquered today. There's so many good baseball books coming out that there's no way for any one person to get them. All in speaking of baseball books coming out. I wrote one at least co wrote one. The aforementioned book that Travis saw chicken I published last year the MVP machine how baseball's new nonconformists are using data to build better players. If you're listening to this podcast on the day it went up April seventh. And you're also listening on the day. The paperback edition of the MVP machine became available for purchase. If you've already read the MVP machine in hardcover or in some digital format. I thank you if you've been waiting for the paperback edition. Your wait is over and if you want to dive back into the book there is some incentive for you to do that. We fixed a few typos for one thing. But if that's not enough to get you in we also wrote a new afterward to the book it's Basically a new chapter which would be one of the longest chapters in the book traps. Night worked hard on it over the off season. It's really about reckoning with the prominence of the Astros in the player Development Revolution Jared. I just discussed. It's also about how Baltimore Orioles are trying to essentially imitate the Astros player development model. It's about some of the player development success stories both individual players and teams of the twenty nineteen season. And it's about whether this new player development revolution benefits players or teams more not an easy question to answer but we get into all of that in some depth and detail and we also speculate about how long it will take for the late adopting teams to catch up and when we will have relatively level playing field again when teams will achieve player Development Party. So I think it's an interesting afterward. Good reason to buy the book if you haven't yet or give it another look if you have and we hope you enjoy it. Thanks for supporting it. I think swing kings a good companion to the MVP machine. If you're in the market for both I also WANNA follow up on last week. Step last on Episode Fifteen Twenty Three with assistance from actively weld listener Adam. I reported the longest team streaks with a different player at a particular position on opening day and subsequently got a question from Patriot supporter. Thomas who says how about the opposite what teams slash players have had the longest unbroken opening day streaks for the same team in position so clearly. Where's that last list was? Mostly lousy teams an lousy players. Who couldn't keep their job for more than a year. At a time. This is going to be great players on mostly good teams. I went back to Adam. I asked him to edit his query to. Give me the answer to this question. I will also put this link online as I did for the last list. And the answer is Brooks Robinson Brooks Robinson started twenty consecutive over days for the Baltimore Orioles at Third Base Nineteen fifty seven to nineteen seventy six. No one else has equaled that streak. Willie mays came very close. Nineteen years in Centerfield from the nineteen fifty four giants to the nineteen seventy-two giants than you have lou whitaker and Joe Judge Seventeen Year streaks whitaker of course for the seventy eighth through ninety four tigers and Joe Judge maybe a lesser known name. But quite good player for the Nineteen Sixteen through nineteen thirty two senators and the only other guys with longer than fifteen year streaks. Are Todd Helton. Sixteen years at first base for the ninety eight through two thousand thirteen rockies and Mike Schmidt sixteen years at third base for the seventy four through eighty nine phillies. Yati or Molina by the way has an active streak of fifteen years at catcher for the cardinals. No one else has more than an eleven year. Active Streak Joey. Votto and Elvis. Andrus have gone to eleven so again. Check out the full list. If you're interested in one name caught. My eye on Monday alkaline had a thirteen year streak starting in right field for the Tigers from nineteen sixty one to nineteen seventy-three k line of course passed away on Monday at age. Eighty five and you know the number one guy on this list Brooke Robinson with his twenty year streak in nineteen seventy four as Kaelin was close to retirement. Robinson said when you talk about all round ballplayers. I'd say Kay line is the best I ever played against and K line is a guy who probably a lot of our listeners. If they aren't tigers fans might check out his career having heard that he died and be very impressed by how great a player he was. He is of course Mr Tiger. He never played a professional game for any team other than tigers. They signed him at a high school. He never played in the minors. He spent twenty two years with the Tigers and then another quarter century Broadcasting Tigers Games. But he's a little less of a nationally known household name he was somewhat overshadowed by some of his contemporaries. Roberto Clemente and Mickey Mantle and Willie mays and Hank Aaron. He perhaps wasn't as great at his peak as those players and yet when you factor in how great. He was at his best. And how long you lasted. He's really an all time. Top fifty player is forty second all-time by baseball reference were in that position players and pitchers not just hitters. He hit for average. He walked a lot so he got on base done. He hit for pretty good power by the standard of his day and in addition to starting in right field for thirteen consecutive years with the Tigers he also made thirteen consecutive all star teams from nineteen fifty five through nineteen sixty seven other than his batting title at age. Twenty in one thousand nine hundred eighty five which made him the youngest player to win a batting title he was. I think one day younger than ty Cobb was. When he won his first title his stats were a little less eye-catching than some of his contemporaries. He was an extremely well rounded player. He won a lot of gold gloves. He had a great arm. Good Defensive Rightfielder one interesting thing about saline though who did stick around long enough to get his three thousand th hit you retired of course at three hundred ninety nine career homers when he retired with three hundred ninety nine homers. I believe he was sixteen. Th on the all-time list. Now he's I think fifty eighth. Obviously there's been quite a lot of homerun inflation since he retired. But what's very noticeable? When you skin stat lines is that he never hit thirty homers and yet he got to three ninety nine. I had a hunch that he must have the most career homers by any player who never hit thirty in a single season and Jessica brand one of our listeners in the facebook group who is always quick with a stat check. She confirmed that that is indeed the case. Shell so noted that the most homers in a career without a forty homers season is. Eddie Murray's five Oh four and of course most without fifty and a season Hank Aaron then in response to another listener's question. She came out with a couple of fund. Fax The most career homers without twenty a single season Ron fairly who hit two hundred fifteen total with a high of nineteen and the most career homers without ever hitting ten in a single season. Brad office who hit eighty in total but topped out at nine in one thousand nine hundred nine k line of course could have done it in the season when he hit twenty nine. He only played one hundred games so although he played for decades he did tend to miss a chunk of games each season and also he played much of his prime in the offense deprived nineteen sixties so in nineteen sixty seven for instance he had Mike Trout esque 176 plus and yet at the time that translated to only a three zero eight four eleven five forty one line. Which would look that eye-popping today so alkaline. He will be missed by many tigers fan and he should be appreciated by many a non hiker spin. You can support the podcast on patriotic by going to patriots dot com slash effectively wild the following five listeners have already signed up and fled some some of the amount that help keep podcast going and kept themselves. Access to some perks. Daniel Mercati Kilgore trout at hops. Richard OCSAR and Jeff Freeman. Thanks to all of you can join that facebook group at facebook dot com slash group sash actively wild you can rate review and subscribed to effectively wild on itunes and other podcast platforms. Your reviews are much appreciated. You can contact us via email at podcast fan graphs dot com or the missing system. If you are a supporter. Thinks that Dylan Higgins or his editing assistance. We will back with another episode a little later this week. Talk to you then. 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Hello Darkness, with Kirk Minihane

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Hello Darkness, with Kirk Minihane

"That is what we need to get people until they turn to the goal is to be your boys congratulations on all that you're doing a mediocre I would look at Boston we'll Tom and look at this stuff that they probably some of it's like absolutely stupid section quite quite amusing and stuff like a little bit of Good Luck charm he loves golf he's very funny the interview it gets dark at the end very dark in a very very funny way uh-huh there was one for Trenton one for Lurch in the the fans the listeners captured a second late in the show that Lurch got fine for I know he has one fusion we welcome in from Barstool sports rigs and Trent guys welcome to the show players Barstool sports we are back it is Tuesday that like when I said it I knew it was going to be one of the most offensive things I've ever said and I the he was so good at masking his response on his face that I thought I offended him I know that's tricky because we're talking on Monday to you but you're listening on Tuesday that trips of south we talked about at every show what hell show we've got here we did we Kirkman hand in here in like two seconds later I like it was before you set it like when you thought about the combat yeah little small loss it was like you know like you know you go through golfers that we like kind of all replace talk about or Golf Games it's a it's one of my favorite probably chats I don't know if you call it an interview more of a chat which kind of chatter or someone and Frankie or go to jail yeah he break framer he also like when I I said something to him at the very end of the of that Chat mm-hmm and punch back and forth he was great it was really nice now we got Lurch in here update on the Kitty for the you were that we're not allowed to say this interview is going to take whatever thirty minutes they said to Kirk and I was like are we calling this an interview so it was a chat it was a chat with our fellow coworker a lot of Chirpin the newer younger hitting her barstool sports I just had the three back surgeries yeah yeah we're familiar with him and our like an hour long chat with a guy he does he really loves golf I walked into the room and like I don't know if Andrew Jake was like oh who knows Butler cheap polls asked the audience under Jake or Andrew Whoever threw me under the bus and put it out to the foreplay count thank you joey he is so calculating assassin. Okay he's like he'll sneak if you wouldn't get caught for murder Frankie were correct a write up he wouldn't not only would he not get caught like he would Korea was shockingly offensive yes and Kirk loved it racing Hi-fi frankly I think he oh I think I mean did you see Lachey polls what poll you one of the most you're you're probably one of the worst follows on twitter I I mean whether we catch it in show or out of the show point is you have to Trent has one now I will say I caught myself during the Kirk chat doing at least one six buddy I'm back moment playing office last weekend where I was playing horrible for two rounds beforehand when Lurch and I went up to foxwoods and we want our tournament can you sell that's the whole point so the Kitty we're there Spring offspring office are presenting presenting sponsor for the entire year you go to sprint dot com slash bars yeah we want everybody to be with him yeah he loves it he just took it was like yeah that's what I did he drags you down to his level raises you up whatever whatever your perspective is and then he loves if you can go up there with glee just as a Selfie of his face and he just farts all day I remember that was a story I remember that one that was that was going viral a couple of months ago so anyways yeah maybe I am one of the worst falls on twitter you know other a Lotta rose he's a human he is or you so perfect fit yeah no I'm like yeah but I'm hotheaded and go off like I'll spin off the edge of the earth and not only you do it for us while we're doing the show we don't WanNa hear you anybody use the word it's for the listeners so cutting the you're out in total is better for the listeners back home oh it's fog off time leaves her changing its quarters up season you want to be out there you go maybe sneak onto some some public track you've never played before go USA pre followed or looked at a guy Paul Blurt Mall Cop but there is a a true security guard that got hired because he based all it out in show fifty four I don't like that takes the fan aspect out of it I like when they hit us up like hey at this time still didn't hit up like an he is of course one of barstools newest content employees been here for what four or five months now yeah here barstool sports he's a lightning rod he's confrontationally love he's also a huge we're twelve senate I love that look here's the the reason that you're absolutely going to be fine for saying it on the show whether we cut you're not because the purpose of the rule is not golf guy you have me on his show which was pre barstool right before the masters I think on Monday or I'm sorry I think I was on Wednesday before Tiger Woods won the master's that week so he's glad you're an islanders fan you can be miserable Frankie dated so they did I call in show we're not gonNA talk hockey winter the range on Saturday before he played for like a half hour hit some balls had a swing sought and played lights out shot seventy seven in some tough wind feel real good about my game in seconds are you ready for it in the bathroom it's I was actually talking about a pause I was like should I say this but it smells so bad that I was like he's not everyone l. all the time faulk my guard is down but that's when you let's see we got to show we gotta condition ourselves to do it right now I'm out I can't find the game yeah yes gough to do it I you string off to play in Norwalk Connecticut I put a video out last week it was called Oak Hills Golf Club is actually a really really cool they out on the floor and deal trouble everywhere hungover from the plane just jetlag the whole bit didn't play well I think it was like back to back high eighties played again this week a horrific lap turn criminal downhill lie in the rough skirt one just over the bunker trundles right up there was only one place that that ball it lands yes because the green was down to the left slope I had the boss fully submerged in some of the thickest rough around the green I've ever seen and I'm like I'm just GonNa I know that for a fact remember saying in real time and thinking fuck I just said it okay so I'm at at least one oh I didn't even think of that are we doing that with interviews chest you know what I'm dialed in with right now is like a sixty five fifty yard range I'm like doing this check down it's an awkward it shows wrong with reader all because you guys don't win either like you can't say islander into San Raider fans don't win so go ahead I stated that you should have the was perfect so the wedge game is a little bit backwards I'm playing 'cause you make the comebacker the puck because it looked a little tricky tricky but burn the edge like no I missed it despite having one of the better records in the field I went to and just was not hitting the ball very well foxwoods now having said that super drunken hung over the whole time there's trouble everywhere but I wasn't feel great about my game so all I can think about last night was I was just hanging out in my apartment thinking about can't wait until the next I play golf all if like if Matthew Fitzpatrick was my buddy I would've texted him back I'm back I'm back I'm fucking back do you WanNa know who's back I don't know if you saw this I only post on instagram story. Did you see the wedge shot yesterday Yes Holy Father this yet Jacksonville spot that wasn't like it's just completely unnecessary needs to stay there we'll just from Scotland where I couldn't miss come back foxwoods cars so I just need it or eliminate that eliminate it maybe don't take the driver there Hank Haney here's the thing that he says the three things at any level Ryan come across this one try and hit a fade with your wedge I was like what does that even mean like mentally come across a cut it like a piece of bread and I did that and I thought about that and this fucking thing elbow because I'm a lefty it says it says if my left elbow is attached to like my hip and everything just like it's weird I always like I'll be out of and you're right at the pin and it's like not going next the pin but it's just like I'm giving myself opportunities to make Birdie putts or par putts and even if I miss like apartment tap in bogey I'm not me seven holes. Ob doesn't sound that good to like it's my one blow opole like on each sound that bad it's like one ball poll on each side so instead of shooting like a thirty nine off with the best player in the world or whether you're a forty handicap three things you got eliminate engulfing if you do it you'll dramatically increase your score improve your scoring one penalty strokes just penalty strokes you can find a way to not take penalty strokes to is multiple chipping so like if you're you're in a bunker whatnot don't chip twice just hit the and I'm shooting forty two so I like this week I went forty four forty one for an eighty five but like on the front nine ahead like whoa like one and a half blow of a triple and like a double and everything else get to know your tweet he's also selling a mom there that I little pause but I saw you guys ever gene and then the third one is three putts begin eliminate three months multiple chipping and penalty stroke everybody at every level the game your score will dramatically improve which if you think about that gain doubles and triples anymore it's the only time making those when I find myself hitting it. Ob off the tee which happens like once every like seven holes I'll I'll be playing it straight I'll be playing it may be left breath and then I'll give to t I align perfectly I'm like I'm GonNa fucking drill this I'm going to go smash bash on this ball and then I just come across it as if like she just like get it on the green and the next one is the jam this 20-footer just like get close to the whole you do that all around you'll dramatically improve your I Funny little moment that sitting in the back yard and I was GONNA call it car male I almost tried to I was hitting shots and he goes trying nine US Supreme Golf the book it's a premium dot com slash barstool they are the only t- time APP that you need and then I also just like to say that I had a classic Matthew Fitzpatrick Light Li- off fairway that's where you have the swears when you're in thick rough you can just like hack at it and take some Greg's out yeah true how was it it was good man eight no better feeling than having a Putt on almost every hole that matters I it mattered and I do one moment we're on the back and we're winning we're winning the match and Mattia my buddy playing the The Golf Ball thing to us that was nothing where I was like I'm going to go out there I'm going to shoot seventy this ball and I fall hang canes advice I'm GonNa Shoot Kende and it's just I'm just missing everything left hit a good way to say I'm back to wheel really kind of coming back sticking around I hit my drive right down the middle second shot I'm getting a stroke missile second shock goes into the bunker I'm in the bunker I duff it out of the bunker and it goes apartments this thing right over that fucking bunker I'm just GonNa do it do it Kevin Kizer taught me when we were out in pebble beach at our mansion we were in Carmel California Chicago story because think about that thing these guys wearing a cardigan like I don't know like he was out at J. crew you know at some point you gotta pull it off at night uh whether it's four feet whether it's ten feet twenty feet that feeling of the ball rolling into the hall is so final close the door on the whole it's like it's just me too it doesn't work that well a quick little moment I was we're playing a match at this play Cherry Valley it's like my new country club thanks to Matt doesn't pro they're the guys just tapped for put well I will say this now devil's advocate type approach might be like Wolf that were ah doesn't even know how to chip and drilled one from twenty five feet all day it was just it was the day I mean like there's no better feeling than walk into that hole we're GONNA get into headlines I would just like to mention a week from today when you guys are all listening to us the Barstool Classic Championship Tuesday October Fifteenth at Liberty National Golf Club majority city we're going to be posting on Thursday our full eighteen hole round it was Trent Daddy Frankie and myself we did a skins game the three of us is good as it gets it's gorgeous ad mixed in with our you know US messing with each other some horrible shots and great shots so Thursday that'll be coming out check that out let's rip through Matt Calves that we played with Cherry Valley Play nine holes with him he he can pull off he's a cool enough guy he's got long flowing hair it looks like sunshine but you know when you imagine like especially if it's a reoccurring match play like every couple of weeks or whatever and you just like you feel like you're partners is always the one doing everything and like I that's right it's crazy the back part of the green just fell off ended up making triple so these guys are both at the time when they're both twenty three-under-par think about how well you're playing the bombs being thanks boys and we'll take it on the D. Like it's our shot now should be done is incredible best feeling Soga flips everything it really does I'd rather chip one in than hit like a fifty foot bomb Putt I think oh yeah Oh yeah for bomb puts a pretty fucking good feeling but I just think chippings even that much better I've said my favorite feeling and all Goff's somebody asked from the the PGA Tour Golf Course for four rounds of your twenty three hundred bucks now when I tune in I see the triple the neurons sixteen Kevin is two oh two out hits one on the water headlines Real quick I do want to get to this kirk and re because it's very very good and we went for way longer than we thought Kevin A- wins the shriners hospitals for Children Open Out in Vegas over Patrick Kane in writing sixty nine seventy and eighty five yesterday I was pulling cavs along I was getting strokes uncertain and I was I was fucking playing golf and it felt great outed liberty national we played the entire course played the teas that they're gonNA play from at the at the Barstool classic championship which were what sixty seven hundred something like that believe so sixty eight hundred ah just accomplished something great to complete show me where I'm tripping I just put my arms up scored a touchdown halfway towards the les I tune into the back nine yesterday wild finish Kevin how triples the ten th hole so he's got this largely at about a four stroke lead aside and just chip this thing and it goes in for par Birdie and everyone just throws it like man Matti and just throw their club they're like what the fuck are we supposed to do this I five struggling at the time he's playing great triples ten little related hit that bad horrible tee shot hit like a little run up there just short and then chipped one off the green with the like flat flares went out to the right three jacks from there and ends up losing with a three Jack Kevin was walking in pots he had so we had this stat was going around around there it was is a great video skins they kind of flip a huge comeback involved the course there was a beautiful day so we have footage that's then Patrick Kelly three jacks he's got a gap wedge in again on the second playoff always got a gap wedge in he had just hit one to like nine feet with the gap wedge hits a pre bad totally gives up lead to stroke swing then Patrick Caitlyn steps up with a nine hundred seventeen in the water like what the fuck is happening it both good eighteen Patrick Kelly has into the rough and I see like like we're kind of all because he had a bad hole and Matt he's walking up to the pump that he's Putt for par like pride pretty close or whatever and I'm on the our one-timer somebody's like what's your favorite is ripping one to seventy or to eighty or ninety river right down the middle or is it like draining like my favorite feeling all golf will always