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The FBI's Effort To Take Down MLK

"From whyy in philadelphia. I'm terry gross with fresh air. On this martin luther king day we consider newly uncovered information about the fbi surveillance of king and its efforts to discredit his work. Filmmaker sam pollard talks about his new documentary. Mlk fbi relied on recently. Declassified documents detail fbi harassment that lasted for years as agents bugged. King's hotel rooms tapped his phones and paid informants to spy on him. Mlk fbi is now in theaters and available for streaming and maureen corrigan reviews aftershocks a new memoir by nadia a wazoo that marine described as a classic search for identity story. It involves osas racial identity on this. Martin luther king day. We're going to talk about de classified documents about the fbi surveillance of king and the bureau's efforts to undermine his work and discredit him. There's a new documentary about this called. Mlk fbi it's in theaters and is now streaming the director of the documentary. Sam pollard spoke to our producer. Sam brigger here sam to introduce the interview from the march on washington in nineteen sixty three to his assassination in nineteen sixty eight. The fbi tapped phones. Bugged hotel rooms paid informants followed threatened and blackmailed. martin luther king junior in an attempt to discredit him the film. Mlk fbi directed by our guests and pollard reveals the obsession. Fbi director geogra- hoover and his second in command. Bill sullivan had for bringing king down. At first they feared he was being influenced by communists. Accidentally through their wiretaps the fbi discovered that king was having extramarital affairs. And so they shifted their focus to cover all evidence of his infidelity by bugging and taping him in his hotel rooms and by paying informers to spy on him eventually the fbi pen and sent an anonymous letter to king along with some of their tapes suggesting that he should kill himself. Sam pollard is an emmy award winner and oscar nominee his first work as a director was for the groundbreaking documentary series about the civil rights. Movement is on the prize. He is also edited several spike lee's movies including jungle fever and more better blues. He has a pretty long list of credits as a producer editor and director but some of his films include mr soul. Sammy davis junior. I've gotta be me and trains running. Let's start with a clip from mlk fbi. We're going to hear some of king's speech from the march on washington interspersed with some of the people pollard. Interviewed for the movie. America's to be a great nation. This must become true. So let freedom ring when you look at the social movements from the point of view of the fbi. It looks very different now. J. edgar hoover is famous for saying that he feared the rise of a black messiah. Free at last king davis famous march on washington speech wednesday august twenty nine hundred sixty three in a memo dated thirty vodkas no later than that the second person in the fbi heaven solvent since the urgent memo which he says after the march on washington. It's clear that martin is. The cajun is the most dangerous negro in america and we have to use every resource at our disposal to destroy. That's a scene from the new documentary. Mlk fbi our guest is the filmmaker for the movie sam pollard. sam howard. Welcome to fresh air. Thank you said glad to be here. I think one of the main points of the film is that while today. Martin luther king. Junior's considered a hero and j edgar hoover's often maligned as the authority and leader of the fbi who was perfectly happy using extralegal means in his investigations Public opinion of them in the fifties and sixties was very different. Wasn't it yes. It's amazing when you think that you know. I forgot that in the in the mid sixties when they took a poll that j. edgar hoover was more popular than dr king. Dr king wasn't so popular back. Then i mean some people thought. He was destroying the fabric of american democracy. So it's you know growing up as a young man. I had watched all these movies about the fbi had watched his television series the f. b. i. Similar junior and i thought they were the good guys you know and that they were out there to take out the bad guys. Be gangsters would be a communist so you know. In retrospect and seeing realizing how popular hoover was. It's it's interesting. That king has been succession iconic figuring out but he wasn't so loved beloved by many americans back then although i think you love both the fbi king at that point you well. I did. I mean i grew up in a household where we have no walls pictures of dr king. John f. kennedy jesus christ and then. I was watching these. Tv shows watching his old movies. So i didn't. I differentiate between king and hoover back then right so what were the fears that hoover had of martin luther king at the beginning the first the first few that he had was the king was going to align himself with the communist party. Which has you know jaeger. Who's with was obsessed with destroy because he felt the communist party was gonna kill democracy so when they first load the dr king's relationship with gentleman named stanley levinson who had been a former communist. They were pretty sure that he was going to be co opted by the communist party and that was when Jag hoover winter bobby kennedy. Then the attorney general to ask permission to wiretap and bugged dr king and his associates and then they realized that after they were starting to wiretap and bucking that these extramarital affairs they found out about. They thought they could use. That would be even more damning to dr king's reputation. And you say in the film that the fbi had this paternalistic view of black people that they would be easily susceptible to communist he. Because even you know. I mean because the communist party basically was saying to like people that you know you living in america where you're segregated where jim crow exist we. We're we're going to bring you into our party where we're sort of communication of socialist organization you know and you're going to be treated better than you are as as a so-called american you know and and it's clear that there were sure they were black people who were attracted to the communist party and and dr king says even says the film. He surprised they're not even more black. People were attracted to congress party because of all the things that african americans have to deal with the daily basis in america and thirties forties fifties and sixties. Can you talk about the extent to which the fbi started bugging and tapping martin luther king junior. Well they would. So far as wiretap him but wiretap his close associates is a section. The film acquires gels. Get home as why tells them their. She didn't know he was change. In felt there was a telephone repairman there and he told me that wasn't the case he realized that the the fbi had wiretapped all their wiretapping. Anybody who were close associates of king king himself you know and then when they were starting to go even further they were bugging the hotel rooms. The king was going to stay different cities from birmingham chicago. You know they will go into these hotels before king and his associates got there and they'll be let in by the management the bud bills rooms in the have x. Rooms next door nearby where they can listen to what was going on with. Canada's associates took those rooms so this was this was an all out sort of you know assault and as as chuck knox as former. Fbi agent anytime. The king was going to new city. The agenda was fbi agents. Were on the move to get to those places to start the monitoring wiretap and listened to everything that was happening within the confines of those words between king and his associate members of the sec. So the question leaves office. What do you think hoover's hope was recording kings affairs like. How did he plan to use these recordings. His hope was to then pass it onto the press that the press would publish it and that it would you know it would really discredit dr king and his reputation as minister this upright christian minister. Who's leading the civil rights movement. So people say horrible. His personal life is how can we follow this man now. What he did bank on was back in the sixties as you well know the press did not take the bait. They did not take the bait. They did not reveal personal. Lives of of these public figures. I mean they didn't do it with john kennedy. They didn't do it others and they didn't do with dr king. i mean. somehow he just thought. Well here's a black man was supposed to be this upstanding minister and you know this is this material that can be used destroy him. And they didn't take the bait. The press did not take the bait. Now here we are in twenty twenty one it would have been all over the paper all over social media everywhere you now. But the the the thing that amazed by even with the idea that the press now picks up on all the scandal stuff of people's lives there are people whose lives have been so scandalous and so projected in the news and social media and it still has that much impact. I mean look at look at all the stuff that's come out about trump you know and none of it has stuck none of one of the people you interview for the film as a historian donna merch and she says it the interests that the fbi had and king sexual life can't be separated from the history of racial violence in the united states. I was hoping you might talk about that a little bit. Well here his his his what you got to think about. This is a country that was built on the backs of slavery of enslaved people. You know people that they would demonize who consider of being you know and leave seeing history unfold in america. You know where people were. Enslaved and then a civil war broke out because of the fight to keep slavery in the fight. Some people believe that slavery should be abolished then we had a period called the reconstruction where black people had a sense of empowerment but then they were white people and southern people who felt that was too much and when reconstruction was destroyed and the eighteen seventies then had a period of became became. Came to know after. You know plessey versus ferguson. Jim crow and we've seen in the last one hundred fifty years where black people black communities were destroyed. You know because people said they should not have a seat at the table. They should not have a seat at the table. You know violence. In america against people who they feel should not have a place to table is the norm you know. Lynchings were the norm in america. You know disenfranchisement of black people and people call the norm in america. You know so. When you see a man like dr king who becomes the leader you know of the civil rights movement that he became recognize it during the montgomery bus boycott. It threatens the notion of what america was. And i think david garrow in the movie also says that there was something almost radical about king sexuality that so outraged hoover well. It was the idea that he was a black man who was standing up. Just remember when. I said black men when you saw them the way they would define they were afraid of their own shadows you know and then the idea that a black man might have. Some sort of sexual promise was frightening that they that they would touch a white woman. They should be killed. I mean that's why you know. Dwi griffith's birth of a nation became such a popular. Fill that led to the galvanizing of re galvanizing the klu klux klan. Because i was going to ask you about that because you use footage from that movie actually at this moment in your film this incredibly racist film. Birth of the nation which i think is actually the first feature length film So i was wondering why you decided to use that footage because that for the shows you that the fear of america of black and palmer was was was to such an extent that they that that d w griffith white southern basically bought into the notion that you know we can't let black people have any power. They need to be suppressed know because if they gained any kind of political power then they may think they have sexual power. And that can't happen in america. You know so. We have to make sure to destroy. And that's why you see those images in the film you see those images of the of these lascivious black men you know gawking after white women and then what happens they will be destroyed and killed by doing that but even showing any sense of sexuality nizhny showing he says and then when you see them in the congress in that show. they're considered as buffoons. You know and they weren't buffoons back into reconstruction but that just empowers people feel like lee are better than black people in the in the congress that the the black congressman like eating chicken and like they have their shoes off. Air is it's riffing is horrible. Have you watched that whole film. You know so. I was student film. Yeah i mean there's a. There's a duality that i always have to confront when i watched that fell. And when i've shown excerpts from that was that duality first of all. I know it's a racist piece of propaganda. You know which. I make. Sure i have to say that to. My students went on teaching the class class. Nyu if i show anything from that film but the other thing. I always say the students that from the notion of the technology of understanding how film advanced it was groundbreaking interns would. Dwi griffith was doing in terms of how he framed images how he use medium shots and close ups. How use parallel editing. So i always have to. I'd always have to do this. Tricky dance because i see the film from two perspectives from the advancing of the craft of filmmaking. But from the fact that it was also a racist around riddick piece of propaganda. How do students react to that movie to sit. And i've shown that film off and on for twenty years in my classes and every generation of students become more incensed with it. So at this point. I'm barely showing it now showing other other griffiths valves and not that one. Perhaps the most troubling part of the fbi's campaign against king is when the agency creates this compilation of the tapes. The have him and they send it to him with this letter. That the second in command. Bill sullivan rights. It's meant to be this anonymous letter. The author supposed to be like a former supporter of king. Who's now disillusioned because of these tapes and it has the sentence that reads you know you have to do and most people agree that it's suggesting that king should kill himself. And i think people have known about the letter for a long time but it was only recently declassified. Wasn't it yes. It was the thing to remember about that letter to is that they were trying to make it sound like it was not only a former associate with form a negro who wrote that letter to was somebody from the community science. Dr king. Maybe should consider killing yourself. So just reading the excerpts from that letter from freedom of information just reading that it was just pretty disgusting to me to think the links the fbi would go to discredit destroy. Dr king's purse reputation and then on top of that letter into send the tape to his wife. Coretta scott king the basically supposed to be king and another woman involved in sexual activity is absolutely horrendous to do that. You know this is supposed to be the nation's police that's supposed to be doing the right thing and this is where this is the link steal to destroy human being. it's awful. You know one of the people you interviewed for the was Former fbi director. James comey and he says in the movie that that letter made him sick and represents the darkest period of the fbi and it sounds like something. I read you said that when he was headed. Fbi he kept a document from this period of time on his desk to warn him of the perils of abuses of power. Can you tell us about that. The documents that letter. He kept the letter on his desk. His attitude was that he wanted to make sure that the new recruits fbi agents were aware of that letter and what happened during that period in the history of the fbi. And that's why he felt. It was the darkest periods in the history and legacy of the fbi. Now i'm going to quibble with that and say i would bet again that they'll be some revelation you know. The next ten to fifteen years shows it was even darker periods in the history of the fbi. That's my particular opinion about one of the interesting things we learn about the fbi operations as against king is at the bureau. Had all these informants around him including those within the southern christian leadership conference. Who were those informants. Well there was a gentleman who worked actually in the sec office. Who was an informant for the fbi and the one. That's probably the most famous is ernest withers. The photographer whose pictures many of his pictures of the civil rights movement are considered iconic today specifically his item and picture and to know that ernest withers. Who was well respected by members of the seal. See you know the fact that he was talking to the fbi and sort of sad to me but you know he was. It was a payday for him. You know he wasn't making a lotta money taking pictures and so this was to make some extra money from his point of view. And you know the thing. That's also you should be aware of that. Andy young and dr king. They knew that withers was was on the payroll of the fbi. Obviously they'd feel. It was so dangerous so that he was giving them information but you know he did it. You know he did it. I mean and the thing that people should be with that. There's a documentary. That's almost complete being directed by the african american filmmaker filmmaker. They feel bertelson. Who's who's going to do a full feature length doc on on there and he'll probably dig into this story even more than we did our fill one of the interesting points that you make in the film about the assassination as that you know you have the f. b. i. constantly around king there listening to him in most hotel like other next to him or near down the hall and they never warned him of threats to his life or even attempted to protect him for this threats and it it one point i think you ask you know with all the surveillance around king. Why weren't they able to prevent this. Assassination of exactly right. What's your answer to that. exactly right. i mean how is it possible as shook knox was saying in the film that with anytime king in his associates went to a new city the fbi was manned up to go and kim follow him and surveillance. So how is it possible. It was what you were just saying. Agents constantly surveilling king in nearby hotel rooms not to be aware of someone. Like james ray with a rifle. Who's going to shoot dr king. It just doesn't make any sense and they had the young's we answer to me was that he doesn't believe it was james. James earl ray at all you know. Obviously you know somewhere in there. There was some conspiracy. You know where. I personally think the. Fbi was involved in to take king out. I mean it just doesn't make sense. It just doesn't make sense and there's got to be someplace in some archive and some file. Some tape we learned the actual truth. We're listening to the interview. Our producer samba recorded with sam pollard. Director of the new documentary. Mlk fbi. it's in theaters now and available for streaming. We'll hear more of the interview after a break. I'm terry gross and this is fresh air. This message comes from. npr sponsor. Worby parker or be parker is committed to providing exceptional vision care online and in stores offering eyeglasses sunglasses exams and contact lenses. Try worby parker's free home. Triumph program order five pairs of glasses to try at home for free for five days. There's no obligation to buy ships free and includes a prepaid return shipping label. Try five pairs of glasses at home for free at worby parker dot com slash fresh air. That's get back to the interview. Fresh air producer. Sam brigger recorded with sam pollard director of the new documentary. Mlk fbi the film draws on newly declassified documents about the fbi's campaign to conduct surveillance on martin luther king and discredit king in his pursuit of civil rights and racial justice in the nineteen sixties. Saint martin luther king junior's assassinated at the lorraine motel on april fourth nineteen sixty eight days after my birthday man. Two days after your birth heard eighteen years old nineteenth april second nineteen sixty eight. And i'm sitting in my house in my apartment with my family. My family lived in east harlem in april fourth in the news comes on and walter cronkite walter cronkite. Who was you know considered the bastion of american news comes on and says dr martin luther king was assassinated lorraine motel and memphis tennessee. I couldn't believe it and it was only five years before when i was thirteen years old november twenty second nineteen sixty three of the mike middle school and the teacher. My school teacher came in and said school is going to be closed for the rest of the day because john f. kennedy has been shot in dallas texas. And then it's almost three months after king's assassination. Bobby kennedy was killed. That's a period of my life. That i thought was like so impactful until january. Six twenty twenty one. Well you must think about that on your birthday all the time i do. I mean you know living living to all these. Chris american history the death of those three men plus malcolm x. You know nine eleven. When when i was took my youngest daughter to school she was in kindergarten. I'm walking back home in the village. And i look down sixth avenue and i see. There's a plane in one of the twin towers january six. You know twenty twenty one. I'm watching people you know invading the capitol building america man. I'm sorry go ahead. The most common we see of martin. Luther king is of him. Giving one of his soaring sermons or speeches. But one thing i really liked about your movie is you have a few shots of king standing silently. Maybe he's waiting to give an interview or just thinking to himself. And it's it's really compelling footage and i wonder if i was wondering why you decided to use those kind of shots so frequently in the film. It's almost like a touchtone. You go back to again and again. Well it was just basically show you. This man had a lot of his shoulders. He has tremendous amount of burdens. He had to deal with both politically socially ed personally and i think that one of the things that i really wanna give a shout out to laura laura thomas celio editor for being able to find those images those moments when king looked a little weary. Look like he had the world on his shoulders. You know there's a lot of work. This is tremendous emotional psychological burden that he was he was facing every day had to deal with every day you know try to lead people to the promised land supposedly you know and whether the had to confront both from a personal level from a social edibles from political level. You know i mean. It's amazing to me sam. That the of composure. That king had and he held when he's on some of these talk shows a win win one. This one particular talk show when the ladies asking him. Don't you feel that. Your protests are causing violence. In the city's dr king arch people. Aren't you're moving too fast. I mean his compulsion is response to her. It's eloquence imagine what was going on his mind. Listen to this woman thinking to himself she out of her mind but she really knows she's talking about but the other thing that's interesting to me. Also simmons that listen to that of conversation. That king had to deal with and hearing that same kind of dog whistle in the twenty first century during the time when trump was running for president. How tika how. The black lives matters leading to all of this. Horrific violence in cities is sometimes shows you. The american history always says a tendency to repeat it so well. I'm glad you said that. Because i was also really shocked by the kind of questions that king was asked and how similar they are to the way people talk today about race And how it seems like not allowed changed on that. So i wanted to actually play a clip and i'm not sure who's asking this question but i thought we could just hear it starts with an interview and then king answers. What is it about the negro in every other group that came as an immigrant somehow not easily but somehow got around it is just the fact. The negroes are black. The fact is that the negro was a slave in this country for two hundred and four hundred four years that led to the thing if occasion of the negro so he was not looked upon as a person he was not looked upon the human being with the same status and worth as human beings and it seems to me that light america must see that no of ethnic group has been asleep on american soil and so emancipation for the negro was really freedom to hungary was freedom to the winds and rains of heaven was freedom without food deed land to of eight and that was freedom and famine at the same time and when white americans tell the negro to lift himself is on bootstraps. They don't look over the legacy of slavery and segregation. I believe we ought to do all we can and seek to live. I sell home. But it's a crew justice. Say to a boot bootlace man that he oughta lift himself is on bootstraps. So it it seems to me that Unfortunately the reporter's question there still seems like a contemporary question. Someone asking that people still have to be making the points over and over again. It's the same thing over and over again is the same question you still hear how come they can't do it like we've done it. You know we come here to america. We pulled ourselves up by bootstraps but with king's response to that is exactly right. You know i mean we have. We didn't have any booth was we. We were free but we were not free. We didn't have any resources you know it was. It was a different world. You know we were considered human beings. And and it's it's. It's part of the american dilemma of confronting that they wanted to deal with it. Which americans tend not to white. Americans not wanna do that. Why blame it on our families. It wasn't us. It happened so many hundreds of years ago but that that would happen so many years ago lives every day in america. It lives every day in this country. Sam one of your earliest breaks was as a director for the documentary series eyes on the prize about the civil rights movement. That was about thirty years ago. I was wondering if you could reflect on what it's like looking at this era as an older man like has your perspective on the civil rights movement or on king himself changed over the years. And if you think that that is reflected in this new movie you know my perspective on on life on king on the nation state of america has really become much more canal than complicated as i've gotten older when if you took me back to one thousand nine hundred eighty seven when i did eyes on the prize to directors is priced too. And you watch some of those shows. I've watched some of the shows. I worked on back then. It was a much simpler sort of perspective. A little more naive little more. You know what. I call More optimistic and more pie in the sky. Approach to the to making those films and then since that time over the last thirty years my look at the world in america and the people that who i admired respected i. It's just been more complicated. I've looked at them in such more nuanced ways as human beings and so part of what i feel my responsibility as a filmmaker as i make these films now in the last five six seven years. It's a really delve into these people's lives and much more complex way and to see them as human beings and not so the deify them and do hagiography about them. So yeah my my. My particular take on on on on subjects and characters and and the world is is much more complicated than it was back in nineteen eighty seven when i was a thirty seven year old man. How did you get into film. Was that a departure from what your family did. Yeah i grew up in a household where my father was a custodian. My mother was a homemaker and My agenda was to go the city college in new york city because we couldn't afford to go anyplace else and i majored in marketing with the idea that was going to become a businessman and then my junior year at school. I not very happy with the classes i was taking. I would see a counselor wonderful african american lady. And i said i was looking for some internships and she turned me onto this workshop. The had been started in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight after king's assassination to get more people of color in the editing room in the shooting producing doing sound and it was a one year program and really sort of you know galvanize me the wanted to get into the film business. You've also worked on feature films. You've edited several of spike. Lee smoothies including mo better blues jungle. Fever clockers bamboozled. What was it like for you to work with spike lee. When you were both pretty early careers. I think mo better. Blues was his fourth movie. Yeah mobile blues was he had done She's gotta have it school days. Do the right thing right. Yes in mobile fought moving. I just come off of my first producing gig on eyes on the prize. So you know he was this young one. Can i had seen do the right thing in the movies. And i was really impressed with that film and then a couple of months later i get a phone call from spiky wanted to hire me to do mo better blues and You know i was of surprised but When i took it on. I was excited because he was was a film. That was in my wheelhouse. I mean it was about jazz musicians. And i love jazz. Musicians and spike was a director. Who i saw. Who are realized over the next year had a very strong political and social point of view that really aligned with mine. You know and so. It was a collaboration that i thought was one that inspired me to the in terms of how i thought about my old films that went on to direct and produce the make sure that my agenda my political agenda life social agenda was hopefully front and center in my fills. We need to take another break here if you're just joining us. We're speaking with filmmaker sam pollard. Whose newest film is mlk fbi. More after break this is fresh air. This message comes from npr sponsor hint fruit infused water with no calories or sweeteners. Hint water comes in over twenty. Five flavors the watermelon. Water actually tastes like watermelon. The blackberry water tastes like blackberries. Hint is water with a touch of true fruit flavor. You can get hint water at stores or you can have it delivered directly to your door. Go to drink hint dot com and get a free case when you buy two shipping free. Enter the code. Npr at checkout. This is fresh air. If you're just joining us. We're speaking with filmmaker sam pollard. Film is mlk fbi about the fbi surveillance of martin. Luther king junior. You know martin. Luther king junior day is a good day to consider where the country is in terms of racial equality and civil rights and there have been two recent moments that have been battling in my mind about this On the on the positive side is the election of reverend raphael. Warnick to be the first black senator in the state of georgia And you know appropriate. Today's conversation worn out because the pastor at ebenezer baptist church king's old church and you know it's pretty obvious that his election is due to a large part of people of color in the state feeling emboldened to their vote matters. And so you know. Increase diversity in the senate and increased enfranchisement of people. Those are all good things On the other hand on the day when congress was supposed to go through a formality verifying president elect joe biden's electoral win president trump and cited his supporters. Who then mob. The capital stole things. And you can see images of white men strolling you know Through the building with confederate flags. And i can't think of a more vivid recent example of white privilege than that and it seems pretty clear to most people that were those people black lives matter protesters. You'd have had seen a drastically different response from the police day. So those are the two things that are in my head right now. What about you those. Exactly the same two things that are in my head to sam watching that footage watching these people smashing the windows of the capitol building climb into the capitol building walk through the rotunda with the confederate flag. And then go to the senate floor. There's trying to smash those doors and the house of representatives you know floor smashing those windows and then the cd's men sitting in the seats of power there with the president of the senate sits the see them in in nancy pelosi's office with his legs up on her table with a desecration of what it means being american. But if you say something to these people they say to you. What's their response. We americans and we have a right to do this. This is our house. We can do what we want. That's the that's the attitude that's their philosophy knows no sense of decorum or responsibility. You know this is their house. They're going to do what they wanna do if they feel like this. This election was fraudulent. They're gonna take steps to make sure that they stop it at by any means i mean it was. It was for me watching. It was pretty disgusting on one level but on the other level for me. Sammy was i say well. This is the america that i that that black people had to deal with during the years. Jim crow this was the america that if a black community in tulsa oklahoma you know they were in power or in wilmington north carolina in one thousand nine hundred eight. You know black white people say well. We don't want that community that exist anymore. They would go in and destroy if they heard for example that a woman had been raped. Or why won't have been touched by a black man. That was those the match that lit the fire for them to go and say enough. We're gonna destroy. So it's it's it's both for me. It was both enraging and made me angry on the other hand. Made me say well this is. This is america. Some people say is not america. It is. This is america. Also what are your feelings about. Reverend warna well listen. I think that what happened in georgia with the election of revenue war neck and john ossa is phenomenal. The fact that these two democrats could become senators in this southern state says a lot about the black communities in that state and the impact that the activists led by stacey abrams and others having galvanizing the community to say we want. We want change. I think is wonderful. And the fact of reverend warnock as the minister of the sturt is a symbolic win. For really for dr king and members of his organization with doing in the fifties and sixties. I was in atlanta couple of years ago doing some for my documentary about the atlanta child. Murders and i went to the chelsea officers and to walk through those offices to see the images of the history of that organization. Would men like ralph abernathy and dr king and then just right down the street have the evans baptist church. It was it revelatory for me to have that experience. But now know that. The minister of the evans baptist church raphael warned that it's going to be the first black senator from the south is a phenomenal experience. I mean it should have been. It should have been the highlight of our day on january six. It should be the major highlight but that was all put to shame with the attack on the capitol building. Well sam thank you so much for coming to fresh air. And congratulations on your new movie. Thank you very much to savigny sam. Pollard spoke with fresh air producer. Sam brigger powered documentary. Mlk fbi is now in theaters and is streaming. This message comes from npr sponsor. Bank of america. You finally decided to learn how to ice skate. So you ordered the essentials. Every ice skater needs a pair of blades. A new helmet and a good set of knee pads. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback online shopping rewards that you put towards the cost of an essential piece of post skating recovery. A heating pad visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation not ozone is a award winning writer and urban planner. Her new memoir aftershocks delves deep into the faultlines her own racial identity and family's story book critic maureen. Corrigan has this review. When nadia was seven years old and living in rome with her father stepmother younger sister and baby half brother. Two events occurred on the same day that up ended her world. The i was a disaster. She didn't experience personally but heard about on the radio. A catastrophic earthquake in armenia where her mother's family had lived before they sought refuge in america. The second was the sudden appearance of her mother standing nervously at the front door gripping pair of red balloons in her hands a wazoo hadn't seen her mother for three years but now there she was along with her silent second husband. They'd been vacationing in italy. Her mother whisked nadia and her sister offer a day of fun before she vanished again as happens especially in the minds of children. Those two events became soldered together in memory. Here's how sue puts it in her new memoir one. I was seven. My mother showed up with an earthquake and red balloons. I remember her shaking hands. And i remember the shaking earth in me. Private and seismic tremors cannot be separated. A woo sues. Lyrical and tough memoir is called aftershocks. And though at first it may seem like an overly dramatic conceit for a woo-soon to tell the story of her life. In terms of tremors seismic shockwaves and faultlines. Those metaphors quickly come to seem apt. Even restrained a wuss whose memoir is a classic search for identity story one. That's complicated by the fact that the ground beneath a wu sues feet is so strong label. A wu sues out of the picture. Mother is white and armenian american. Her beloved father is black from ghana. His work with the united nations gave nadia and her siblings a cosmopolitan upbringing italy england ghana ethiopia. You've gotta but no fix sense of home being biracial intensified sousa partnerships and then. There are the abandonments that fractured a wo- sues life one. I've mentioned already. Her mother's unexplained departure when nadia was four that's followed by the death of her father when she's thirteen and almost simultaneously the refusal of her mother to take in her and her sister instead a woo-soon live tempestuous with her stepmother until she left for college in new york where the surprising in her late twenties she experienced a breakdown. A wu devotes a portion of this memoir to surveying the ruptured histories of the many countries. She's connected to but it's her striking personal story and charged language that makes aftershocks compelling speaking of her father's death a woo soo comes to realize that grief is slow internal bleeding reflecting on the stories. She'd heard about the opposition of her father's family in ghana to his marriage to her white mother. A woo soo passes on this critical folk adage any river loses its identity when entering the sea feeling her breakdown approaching a woo soo described stumbling out of the speeding purgatory of her subway. Train running into her apartment and spending seven mostly sleepless days rocking a ratty blue chair. She picked up off the street there. She forces herself to confront questions about my up ended dislocated body and mind about the geography and geology of my experience about who i was and how i ended up in the blue chair about finding my way out of it aftershocks whose father had told her on the day of the armenian earthquake are the earth's delayed reaction to stress. A wuss breakdown is one kind of aftershock. This well wrought often powerful memoir is another maureen. Corrigan teaches literature at georgetown university. She reviewed aftershocks by. Nadia a sue tomorrow on fresh air. We'll talk about what it took for women to break the glass ceiling and the medical profession in the us. Our guests will be janice nomura author of a new book about an important figure in women's history and medical history elizabeth blackwell she got into a lesser known medical school in the eighteen forties when the males didn't decided it would be an entertaining prank to admit her she proved she was no joke. She became the first woman to receive a medical degree in the us. I hope you'll join us Fresh air's executive producer is danny miller. Our technical director and engineer is audrey bentham with assistance. Today from al banks are interviews and reviews produced an edited by any salad. Phyllis myers san brigger. Lauren crandall heidi simone theresa madden and rebuild. Denaro thia challenor. Seth kelly and kayla lattimore our associate producer of digital media. Is molly seavy nesper. Roberta shorrock directs the show. I'm terry gross

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Breaking Down the Ring January 18th 2020

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Breaking Down the Ring January 18th 2020

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW dot past troy dot com for more information. We're starting late. Goddamn son of a bitch. Sorry guys some technical difficulties but we are starting late but we're also not having a full to our show. Today we're going to be discussing doing some of the things going on in wrestling including the passing of one rocky Johnson Mr Soul man himself the father of the amazing the immortal. The Rock Dwayne the the Johnson. And we're GONNA be talking a little bit about the whole test blanchard situation stuff with impact. But what we're really doing is we're playing the old school beatty are royal rumble drinking game. Today we're going to be doing it with a two thousand and five royal rumble. So highly suggest. If you're listening to this audio what we say go to our facebook go to our Youtube Watch. It live go to our twitter. It's up there. You can watch US having fun drinking along with this. We're going to talk about the rules rules and everything as well and then you can play along with it. If you are listening live you can go right now and watch us do this. If you are listening to a recorded version please head Do our youtube subscribe to our Youtube. Because we can't even stream live to youtube anymore because they switch stuff. I'm sorry can't stream live from mobile can do all kinds of Are Outrageous things but we need a thousand subscribers to subscribe. Please and thank you and then you can watch US drink the fucking two thousand and five royal rumble rumbled today as well as the ring down. What are outpolled sixteenths just worked? Hey this is professional wrestler and professional podcast Colt Boom Boom Cabana. My name is Jill Lacrosse case. This is the smell chef scarlet foretell. What's guys machine Brian? This is Ryan from pro wrestling teased savvy or not listening to the art of wrestling but you made a decent joints because you're listening sitting. You're listening to and you're listening. You're listening to listen to break down the ring breaking down the ring breaking down the ring breaking down the ring breaking down the Ray Dow a witch true. It's ladies and gentleman. You're listening to the most inappropriate pro wrestling show in the mother fucking world. You're listening to breaking down the ring and we are your ring. Crew Smith Drunk Z.. And may the Almighty one Mike. GM Self Junk Z.. Wishing when he was drunk. You the median you well in your opinion power bottom skewed this way. Yeah our to you you are. I'm so as we were saying in the ladies and gentlemen we are playing. The old school rumbled drinking gambler during the two thousand five royal rumble. We'll be watching this. I'm sure you can hear some of the sound. Possibly I don't know man I've never used this TV before. I have no no clue if it turns up or down and if it doesn't Z.. My Walk over there. Because he's like stretch. Armstrong of the group has over there. Yeah so let's see we're GONNA START DRUNK SEATTLE We're GONNA start this injustice. Second let me go ahead and tell you about the rules for or the BDR old school rumble drinking game first off one drink if the wrestler that enters is dead and then one drink per dead wrestler wrestler involved in an elimination now that only means the wrestler for the amount of people eliminating the wrestler. Or you're the one wrestler. Being eliminated is being eliminated by anyone. WHO's not dead because we'll get into that in a minute? So let's say four wrestlers are eliminating dating one superstar. You know like four people getting a big show or something like that and Two of the people that are two of the four that are eliminating him are dead now. Oh two drinks simple as that Take one drink the elimination no. They're not the elimination. The Nation doesn't count. I'll tell you why in a second okay A one drink every time. Someone appears that is not in the rumble like we're watching the two thousand royal rumble fucking Mean Street posse kind tie showed up like seven fucking times names that would have been set. This last seven drinks one drink per celebrity that enters the royal rumble Zucchero. Pete rose anything like that so you take a drink. Then you take a drink for every signature move so big shows finishing move was shocks lamb and the and the knockout punch Those don't count but the chopped the ship and then chop to the chest. That's a signature. Move so you're gonna a drink one of those The Rock when he hits you with with the hands and then he does the spin hits you and that's one drink but if that signature insure move eliminates the wrestler at being performed on you take an extra drink so then it's two drinks for a signature that eliminates someone now two drinks for every finishing moves every rock-bottom every clothesline from hell. Anything like that. You take a two two drinks but if that drink eliminates wrestler you take another drink with that so then it becomes a a three drink move and then finally the finish your drink. You finish your drink if the dead wrestler is being eliminated by a dead wrestler hence why it's only one drink if the wrestlers being dead earlier but if there's a dead wrestler involved in eliminating dead wrestler than you're finishing your entire drink all all right so we're going to the two thousand five royal rumble give. You can't right here next week. Just be ready. Oh Yeah for sure. This is why we didn't pick your. Oh yeah although the guy on the screen right now is dead ticket drink so we are going we did talk about doing the Oh four rumble next. Unfortunately a couple of us have some actual responsibilities after the show today so we had to choose the O five rumble with I blindly picked. That one might not thinking about every kind of did a test run with us. So we're doing the two thousand five rumor we will be getting. We're GONNA we're doing a couple of these rumbles up until the royal rumble. Maybe even post the Royal Roman. Because it's fun you know. We're just having a blast here and we've obviously WANNA give good content. You guys watch so two thousand five royal rumble hitting it right now hopefully. Yeah Mary go in here. We go. And it's loading and loading a lot. See I don't use Roku. TV's answers so So for Intro if it is is somebody like the nounce. There's not with the company anymore. Are we going to that as well. What what announcers like? What about the announcement? The the the for this does not just read. The rules are now. Did I mention the announcers we we did talk about possibly ably doing like a as you do newer rumbles doing like a WHO's in awol kind of thing but some will do a test run with that and see how it goes. You should totally only go turn out. Okay Zeke it up to it. I think he was actually getting up to Asu. Maybe the other side no. Oh this is the remote minus on her. uh-huh is Eddie. Yeah Yeah I think this is the one where Eddie and Benoit started off so dead wrestler. Take a drink. Edward Eddie Guerrero is your first one. And that's what she said and there's no other remote all right I mean. Is it the bottom ones. Yeah that's safe. Oh sure approved and funded this drinking game as you can see well. You can't see because I'm really confused by why it doesn't have a volume thing like on the back at all bottom nothing. There's nothing back home Little Chris Benoit's in not drink. I see I don't want to do that because it all messes with it. Yeah Oh oh found it and there. It is didn't even you have to get up. Hey things are doing that guys. Drink the drink all right well since we're on the topic perfect. Let's talk about Chris. Junior David Ben Watt out there. He was on Chris Vanfleet and he. He said that he wants to wrestle. Under the name of Chris Benoit's junior he's already got the gear made and everything like that. Keep keep in mind. This David Benoit has never step foot. Interesting Ring never done any training until now recently he what what was the. What a w what impact it sparked his interest wrestling? There was something new and things like that. So I'm of the firm believer her that I think Chris Benoit's should be in the wwe hall of fame. And the reason I say that yes everything he did was horrid but with all of this stuff coming out about Cte and brain damage and how it affected him and everyone looked at him like what they say he had the brain of an eighty five year old man with dementia. Gotcha so regardless of all the things that you know. He was on steroids but there were wrestling with concussions. And all that stuff. I'm all right if W W did say hey. We're going to put Chris Benoit's into the Wwe Hall of fame. I'd be like okay. But what do you guys think about that. And how do you feel about Z.. Will start with you. David Benoit going Chris Benoit junior in your because his middle name is Chris is. WWe named Peterman wash so he can wrestle as Crispin Junior. So I mean every okay. I'm the biggest Ben. While mark there is still think Kevin Sullivan something up but either way Of course I believe one hundred percent he you should be in the hall of Fame Keyword. There should because I because of everything surrounding him with tragedy and the the double murder suicide It's probably computer. It's probably never going to happen. Also we should add a rule for drink every time. You don't know who fucking wrestled the mom and I'm cool with if some company will let him Russell as Chris Benoit's I'm all for it. But he better be close to his father and a better not ended up like a Curtis Axel ordeal or he becomes a jobber because then it just tarnishes garnishes the tarnished legacy right many. What are you thinking about this grisly watching anything? It sounds like you want to put a good name back on standard certain degree Kinda like everybody knows redemption story. But you've got to be ready. If he does through. He got ready for all the native. Backlash is GonNa come with that name. Fuck Man. It's already coming talk. Is this guy the first ever. Tough enough winner. Yeah Oh came in second. Oh is he dead. The only three wrestlers that are dead in this royal rumble are the two of them are see six percent of the guys in the ring and Viscera. It was the one with only the first one and two thousand five euros. We said that thing. So here's the amount of dead wrestlers in royal rumbles. The first one hundred eighty eight three Dino Bravo ultimate warrior Junkyard Dog Royal Rumble. The second get one eighty nine seven Andre the giant Mr Perfect bad news brown randy savage big boss man big Johnston and Hercules the ninety rumble has eight of them randy savage on the giant Needle Bravo earthquake ultimate warrior Rick Rude Hercules Mr Perfect the ninety one rumble has nine Yup Dino Bravo Texas Tornado picks yeah Hercules Davey Boy Smith British bulldog Road Road Warrior Hawk Randy savage crush earthquake Mr perfect the nineteen ninety-two rumble. which a lot of people herald is the greatest of all time five five British bulldog Texas Tornado? Big Boss Man Hercules Randy savage. Now this over the signature you you know has he hit the third one after he hits while it's David -puter so he's GonNa hit handle whatever the fuck his name is. I don't I don't even know who he is. He's a good DP. So Holly is alive. Yeah I know MHM regards ninety two rumbles. That's one that flare one right. I O at the Hogan Bake edited but who a lot of people really. Yeah also by the way I mean it was a good rumble. I don't think it's the greatest rumble of talking. Just a match not the whole yeah. I know what I'm talking. Just the rumble matches. What about this? This is at all the whole thing on angle thing happened at during tough enough at the rebel they all ladies stiff to him. Pretty much raises punishment for Uh Shooting on angle hardcore. No gophers these three guys. LA- laid into him and take any job taking guys can listen to the dropping chops on him and he's rolling around in pain Argh or his punishment shooting on angle. Okay now I know who he is now are in a number his punishment for shooting angle. Was this in any of you guys it. Just listen listen. GROW WITH CHOP COMING UP IN SHINTO GONNA kick them to yes he is Um this is amazing. This is can't Alabama finisher two drinks we know give either either just fucking known right down goodbye and Holly Want Mesa. Yes Aso's Nice two minutes getting his ass ten. There goes how how is eliminated by two dead wrestlers. So two drinks you can tell your heart not hurricane pewter. Oh Yeah you AH yeah. So Benoit's hit three chops. You didn't hear a single one of them and he didn't wind up like this before he's still so many. You're all right with him coming back as Chris Spend Wad junior so it helps put the good thing on his name with that. I'm all right would be ready for all the all the negativity is sort of like I. I think he's going to use it to get a you know he. He started asking Crispin Junior. They always say no publicity Blissett or publicity. Yes exactly so I mean people are going to be talking about him. I mean the only thing now is now you have to craft in because this hurricane limited my eddie so so you live up to all the hype if you're going to get. I think my only problem with this is how green he is right now now. I'm not saying that down the line. He won't be one of the better. Why not start as kid? Pegasus Junior Kenzo Suzuki. I doc or Crispin Crispin Wa what if he just comes out is he shall not be named tomorrow thank you. I just every time every time his name comes up you know junior. Aws Adam pages. INTROS hasn't the random right. There Cowboy Shit dog has been drinking. Allie was watching that Lincoln. Can she say he really wants to wrestle. Christopher generally yeah she's like nothing because that would be awesome up shop and she's like looking at a picture of him she's like really weird and fucked up. I'm like Kinda fucked up because it looks like a lot like his dad's yeah he does. He looks like what he looks. Jim Lourdes he looks like what his dad would look like if he didn't work out. And Yeah and smoked a little bit of crack a little bit and just a little bit just living it was a horrible backdrop so up next. Let's let's have a conversation about something that made a lot of headlines. Well hold on back to Christmas Roger near real quick. What's finish? Are they going to use a crawlspace. Probably will they call it. The Cable Jim all right very safe the most host inappropriate pro wrestling podcasts edge has entered the royal rumble by the way controversial figure. Yeah so five. More years he wins. It does that's then this is now uh-huh Tessa Blanchard made a lot of headlines. Excuse me Tessa BLANCHARD senator tweet. And then other people quoted that tweet and made a lot of headlines means for what she said so. Let's go ahead and get into her laughing. I mean yeah because his older you like African fucked up but I think he was at the time and they all came out so Tessa Blanchard tweeted it out. Hey women try supporting one another cool things happen right. After that Chelsea Green quoted and said you've consistently put down bullied and belittled countless female co workers including me is that support was yellow. Call her out on that bullshit to Allison K.. Remember when you spat in the black woman's face called her the N.. Word in Japan. Was that you supporting women. The audacity any of this tweet so then a lot of people were really jumping down tests black back and some people were supporting black. Some people were supporting Teza. Some people were just saying that it was bullshit about the timing of this because this was coming out the day before two. Today's before a day before the day before impact. It's hard to I'm watching. TV Now came on the day day before impacts hard to kill pay-per-view which if you have paid any attention Tessa Blanchard we end up becoming the first woman to hold the major title in a major promotion emotion impact world champion since mysterious eliminates Suzuki as we're talking about this and then other people quoted the tweet as well is don as someone who experienced bullying firsthand. Receive regular verbal abuse was spat on had rumors spread about me death dealt with multiple Attempts by you to blacklist me from other companies plus more. I just pray you now follow your own advice now. Larosa was the one who is the African America the female wrestler who was spat on and call the N. Word by Tessa Blanchard and she said she quoted Alison case tweet. She goes Alan Kay and Chelsea Green. Thank you so much that story. Yes that's happened in Japan. Two thousand seventeen. There was obviously a language barriers. I'm just reading it as it goes. Yes that's happened on Gen Japan 2017. Nineteen if Tessa do not remember it can i. I'm not a mean girl with any co workers around the world. Be Kind of racist. Kind of racist is not ridiculous is a sickness Kness I g at her whole thing about it too. I did not see big Swanson. I gotta say a phone second. I will say that Tessa Blanchard. Shortly after she did not do media that day she was supposed to do media and did not do media that day for impact wrestling smart. Very smart move A couple days ago she she tweet it out. I hope everyone will take a moment to read this and this is her stance on it over the last week. I have been accused of of calling a fellow wrestler racist racial slur to read. This allegation has been personally upsetting to be clear. I absolutely did not use that word. That word is not not in my vocabulary. That word is not in my heart. Racism is not in my heart yet. I know many people have to deal with racism in a way. I will never have to racism as an awful part of American history and is equally awful. And it's still part of our society today. Well I did not do what was claimed. I stand ready to use my platform to support the fight against racism however can big Swale said Larosa and I decided it needed to be dealt with a conversation needed to happen because because this was getting intense over the years as a black woman. This sick in me that it happened to a friend of mine. We have been dealing with this happen. It's just now it's just now finding on social media. People are entitled to deal with this how they want. I just want the world to know the last part of the story that like leary. It from Booker. T. Counter the signature. No this is another one. She she had right there out. Somebody that's not supposed to be in the rumble. You guys wait until they enter the ring though they don't have to know just ebbs usid interfere shelf. Looks like Bischoff Bischoff drink. The sharp shooter applied. That would technically be here. Hogan chimed in as well and if it is gonNA come up so actually starts Matt. That's our screen. Shot at some tweets Jacob back. Because the tweet wasn't finished there was like a couple of pieces of that too so they championed i. Aw Alison Kay also tweeted out a photo screen shot of It is kind of awesome to be watching the royal rumble. Where Eddie Vanua Jericho and rare all over that? That is beautiful excluded African Americans right now. I also excluded edge. And he's he's not African American I was talking about the original cruiserweight division from Walker. WCW So so somebody tweeted out so CNN claim to get permission to tweet out. What happened but she lied in the video? She said she was surprised. Well came out and told the story so again. These Jealous Ellis females did this to fuck with tests on her biggest weekend. Just say that even if the story is true so then has a tweeted out a screen shop Ev. When it was and it gave timestamps mm stamps on Saturday? At twelve forty four. She said Senator Larosa. Will you be manifested long by the way teddy long's out drink. Larosa said Nope you got the truth posted and thank you for it and I appreciate it so much and she responded. Now you're now now you're taking that out of context. She meant all other other women came forward. I have a screen shot of end of our conversation to prove it. I know people love the NIP to try to discredit but that won't work here and I fully agree man. Look if this I I wasn't there to watch it so I can't say for sure happened right but I can't say that enough people are coming forward to where I feel. It definitely did what happened other brother. Luther reigns one that one. He'd want to get caught up in all steroid scandal. Raw clearly How do you feel about this man as a fan of Tessa? I'm like there's enough evidence to say. There's something happened in Japan. Something definitely family happen so definitely. I am disappointed Elba. Also I'm also on on the side of people like you did like the timing of this was is just terrible. You wait two to three years now to come forward about something like this. Why does it matter when someone comes forward? I think about people playing victim until today convenience. That is just a personal thing as as somebody who's been a victim of bullying. Racism is stuff like in other accusations nations. And there've been door winter meal us like being a victim to your convenience is something I just can't get behind okay. But who used the WHO use it as being a victim of convenience. It wasn't her that I it wasn't nearly Gusting Larosa. Didn't do anything like Larosa when it comes a little roses like you didn't say anything. Is everybody else coming out this coming out for you like but this is an issue. Why did you not come out? What about it? Because she didn't feel comfortable at one time to do it All Mamata Sign Committee were conversation. But I've been a victim of a lot of things and I've been accused of a lot of things but there's always if you have a problem with someone did what it did. An error in this is one of the things about social media. People are using it the way people use use it. Yes but Tessa blanchard's in like a kind of like a position of power. Where if you're like a rookie or something they I mean they might feel uncomfortable coming out about something like this because what if they do and nobody believes them and then they lose their so much? How long has been a visual wrestling? Five seven years now five years okay. Okay so hang her. Her Dad's names pretty much got earn a door. She's earned clot scratchy. Get to where she is. Aw you're not really talking to my point though. I'm saying she's in a position of power. I never said how she got there. I just said she's in a position of power and these all seem to be younger. Newer tailing centers was. The timing thing. was issue yeah but I don't think the timing things should be an issue. See Somebody tank never makes that tweet about women supporting other women and this doesn't doesn't happen because all they did was be like oh bitch pots and kettles by gear saying this. This is who you are behind the fucking. Kurt cheers amy. We're all GONNA drink daddy's not involved in the three right now. Two six nine the thank for the six one nine. I don't think that was his fucking that was to venture no wii on a finisher. Yes it was his finisher ban on to Jordan miles else technically is Christopher's rumble. Nice way to black. Ah The whole day like from a timing thing like I'm shaking my alarm still like what glittered you do in Japan. I'm impartial because as as a fan of test really impartial. See aw I love this about you right now because I think this is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever heard you say and I'll call you out. Is your face on it because I love you and I do respect you. You jumped down the word hang for hangman page because you were to hang your the news of fucking role so IV so these things are things that upset you. Which I'm not GonNa say I personally think is dumb because it's a word especially when it's not anything involving what it was and it's it's but at the same time I'll respect your opinion? Fuck with you about it but I respect your opinion on it. Now you can story comes out saying that someone that you like is dropping and bonds literally and spitting on a black wrestler like obviously some some of the most racist things you can fucking do and you're like should I still as this and it's like my my thought processes whereas you to automatically be like Fuck Tessa Blanchard if that's how you're going to be now granted. I'm also a firm believer that people grow up that people get better. But she's not acknowledging this. She's not apologizing for this. She is whole coaching. The fuck out of this and you hate Hulk Hogan for dropping that word I never said I hated Hogan Okay said I was disappointed and Hogan because the reason I got into wrestling general so again. It's okay because the media is not. That's not my point like now attacking So drink guys rowdy. I mean the manager was doing it to go home. mm-hmm we didn't drink divide first came out because he didn't do anything now he got involved. So that's why we drink. I feel like D.. Okay so you said you're disappointed in Hogan you're disappointed that you don't like Hogan but does it Piss you off like everyone else when Hogan comes out on TV somewhat. Yes okay. So why are you okay with task even holding the NWF impact world champion ship. If this is what she did me. I'm not the minute this came and I said what I will just let my my feelings were test is all pretty much only Hogan like but I understand why they put the title on testing honestly the most is blown almost blown over at this point. What does it matter if it's blown over? I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA be through fucking Hell Cogan. Saudi Arabia and people were pissed. People we were at a WRESTLEMAINIA party that Hogan opened the show with and got the walk and be he dubs. You included Sir. I didn't do a modest. I say Shitty last you at a booth Hogan I can tell you that now I didn't I right. That's a signature move what I missed the kick from Booker T. like little scissor. Sir Kick and it's almost like a super kick but with the foles he'll twice a case Orlando ladder. Christopher Booker teen spin a Rooney is now. He hasn't completed yet. Do you like. He's never been stopped. Yeah unless he gets close line and he's still have stuff to drinks many doc mobile camera there. You go there now. The third one kind of drinks. Are you taking. I'm on my second. I'm I think I have a long day ahead of me. Why are you getting trashed? Because he's affair met me. I thought I grabbed the bag. Certosa grapefruit some drinking. Were awesome coolest fucking glasses gonna suck our junior guerrero. I just heard drink and I was because this was right after the spinner Dahlia. Okay so Z.. Your thoughts on this And I I'm honestly since. This came out Saturday Sunday right okay. So I'm actually surprised. They didn't change the finishing edition that match and half her are aged somehow disqualification whatever tests. It doesn't end up with about As I should wait I mean if there's a lot of conflicting tweets and there's no like solid it's not like all Cogan in and the fact where there was like on video video or a tape of her actually saying this like right now it's all hearsay. So she we did it. I mean shame on her and she shouldn't have the title and there. There should be some kind of backlash lake. Jake you know very taxing finisher like not finish your tag two drinks. Thanks good to hear the voice of aid w can do in this two thousand five royal rumble. Volt by you could have been Kofi but you're not kind of like the not in in the sense heads of punishment. It should be like what happened after the curtain call. She should lose their push. Start back from the bottom because like you said this was three years ago and she may have done it but she may. Have you know been educated in that time and is sorry realizes it was dumb and all the all that shit it but it but then yeah but again. She's non apologetic and she really hasn't been pen punished. And I mean we're in two thousand twenty now where you know like you did something wrong. You fit the punishment and then people will you know maybe come back around owned on you but again I mean speedy was talking about it and she hasn't really lost any fans sport. Smitty is a black male who still likes Tessa Blanchard. Even if what she's said really did happen so I mean she hasn't really lost her fan but you also committed like there's only here at this point I just it's hearsay when it's not. It's seems to me that he was eliminated. Wondering you're our age has vowed to grow by by hearsay is is someone is saying. You did something to someone else. And they can't prove and that was the first part but then Larosa came out and said yeah this shit happened. She called me the n word it and she spit on me. In Japan Year was two thousand. Seventeen off saying is in a court of law would still be considered hearsay. Because there's no there's no actual solid not saying that I mean it didn't happen or defending it by by any means I'm just say excuse me while we at retired wrestler sued to them. All you want to die and get alcohol poisoning. I won back. Simon beams retired so it was Michael. So let it be known Shawn Michaels finisher is the super cake and it eliminates a lot of people so we he might be drinking more than I thought this one I forgot Michael's was in the I believe it. Does I won back. After it was it was two thousand five breath in the two thousand four one and you know for summer. She's a he will still be for AAA all in mania. We'll do one title. Yeah Yeah and that's Ben Wa faced Michael Oversell Michaels and triple H. Yeah Yeah Twenty. Now that happened just a one on one Masher is no longer triple that. It doesn't matter it doesn't happen if the winter isn't there. My thing on this whole Tessa blanchard thing is I do not feel. She should have won that belt. I agree with that we uh-huh I've already said that when we asked about the fantasy book in about how that will go. I said she should know what it hard to anyway. Not because now this prior to everything that came up as it should have had our chasing a little bit more. I almost said do drink for eliminating someone but he saw life as hairs. Here's Ben Ted. I mean now that I've noticed his balding because he's bald now but speaking of ball here comes the Olympics on Europe. Is it German. It's the three that he does be a signature. Not Yeah yes he still has is getting slammed drinks. Should we all do more God. Damnit gas what am I. Go through more. Oh No shit. The eighty three drinks. I think I'm down. Five merit was ankles. Even do the math on his fingers. Zero two four six. Do I appreciate another one Well this also leads to one of the Best Mexican restaurant twenty one this whole thing that exchange right there which is fine with me. Aw Fuck Man. There are kinds of drink game. Look we have posted many times about this during game and we have said it is fucking painful. Sometimes we will actually like seven Mike Drinks and other I in the two thousand and four one big show comes comes out and hits like seven choke slams hears God damn coach coach to ashes all right so should we change the celebrity rule to a non wrestler enters. No okay how often does a non wrestler enter right now oh instead of second-leg announced because Michael Caine a raw. aww Shit like that so not adding to it just modifying your liberty to nine wrestler enters throw aw that would cover. Oh he's done celebrities and all the wild about to eliminate the shit out of him. That guy you you don't you know you'll be dead in like a year via but there's nobody beating up coach right now like I don't know I co there's there's nobody just a vacant belt sitting there alive. Jim brought to save alive and well. That didn't age. Well I neither alive nor was he. Well Doc. Martin Ginger who always lease lady to be on the member of love. She actually looks kind of small there. Some of the he's had a really good running triple A. as world champion like a couple of years ago angles back Anne eliminated michaels but he was out of the room. So you have to take a drink. He's not in the rumble. But where the fuck did my drink. Yeah that was dangles angles in his secrets continued fucking. Hey My was an angle. That's when you'll drink wit now. I never understood this. Why does that account is an elimination? Because my over the top rope I get that but he was thrown over the top row by somebody who's already out of the fucking rumble so technically bigly speaking. He wasn't eliminated talk more. misers add Z.. Easiest finisher to do and it looks the most brutal yeah sharpshooter looks pretty the Lion Tamer also looks pretty brutal but the ankle lock like especially if you get somebody to take a drink for all these people that are out here that are not in the royal rumble because they're just trying to restore order. They're not actually Patterson now they're not they're not interfering that there's Finley although if one of them is dead now that's a different drink. Uh bacne back when blood was got some color on them back the test in a blackout or not. Speaking of color tested doesn't like if you're darker colors as bullshit because daddy has says different different again. Call the girl that viscera drinks big this his his. Name's Joel was a Samoan. Drop Big Daddy. You know. His finishing moves nope lash both signature. Move was a Samoan drop wall right. You're only had like five right. So Tessa blanchard running running split. Like I said she should not have one that bell. Especially right after that It's a situation to where I feel. Impact should have been like we'll put at this off because look Jordan. Just one that you just want him. She wanted a house. She's now the knockout champion. Oh really yeah this because you dumb I keep more than anybody year more to me. Because I know we're Jordan grace's I'm Ben Heck knockouts champion Vic Mama pump is is my dick pic material and she fuck Magus. I'm among the do that. She's dating is black blue she does. You know I didn't I kind of I kind of forty five point ranking report will Paul and Paul London Sir they were attacked him at the time wrong against. And and you're right. They were a tag team at the time. At one point had the longest title reign for any tag team champions campion's until they broke by. Wow He went way under. He slid so far it went underneath. Debris conscious are terrible but that cell all jobs so liffey to him. Poodle was a principal to do. The People's elbow will be called. Is this a signature finisher things. You're but Chris. Jericho eliminates them. And I said that's really. Oh wow his ass was out you know I. I love Chris Jericho no the assembly. It was A. They called the French stickler he would do. Like a little banging elbow dropping courtesy afterwards. Yes because real men curtsy those guys trying to eliminate each other back. I think that Tessa Blanchard. This should have been put off until everything was found out about this. This is a situation to where cler life a basic economic. Well see overlake or over at this point. This is a situation to where you need to get everything situated before before you say okay. I'm GONNA make her the face of my company. Look Dude. I am not saying that. We're about to get a after a after. Hey that's fine. All drinking is Zimmer. Moving shirt like that Signature move no unless unless you're talking to a aw one night stand easy Dublin throw. It wasn't two minutes of that happening. So okay back to test of mine. I don't respect anymore. I know goes viscera data. Drink limit dead wrestler. We will no longer have to have the possibility finished. Could drink. Never seen a dead wrestler eliminate themselves before but Yeah Big Daddy V. Just toss himself right over the Kings. Do you got a year. Whatever anything to the way he talk to invisible people fighting right now? I don't see it at all US Kamar also this before after he punched the baby and I don't know before guys so this whole test blanchard thing. I don't respect your anymore. I really don't because I like you said it's a whole bunch of hearsay but but when the person who is being set about comes out and says yeah this fucking happened like many ever came up to me right and said Yo oh this do drop the NBA. Mommy I guy I fucked that guy right so these are all friends of hers that have said this okay and one of her friends like it's like many gone this do draft. I don't WanNa start no shit though but me three years later. Sorry three years eight or coming up and going this guy's guys like talking about 'em an all inclusive I love everybody and I look at that son of a bitch and I go. Do you dropped by Mancini Three fucking years ago. And then he goes. Yeah I didn't WanNA say anything But the happened and this dude all of a sudden is the manager of a restaurant. Now that we that we frequent downtown right. That doesn't make what you say so many any or your feelings on the situation any less than Larosa now granted and so I'm not I'm not but what I'm saying is that's to me. I'm not arguing. Your opinion opinion. I'm telling you my opinion tests. Tessa Blanchard was about Blanchard. was about to be and is now. The current impact world heavyweight champion. And this has happened the day before and this can be the minute this during Guan that big boots US ski segment drink. Okay interim now so so so if someone all of a sudden got a GM position and he said I will hire anybody. I'm fucking hundred percent all inclusive. I'm an equal opportunity. Employer I will. I don't discriminate. Anyone and I look at that person and I'm like so what about three years ago when you call Smitty this like. I don't think you're all inclusive if I think you're you're this is a facade for you for everything and chokes chokes lamb or so too. Does that can't enter. We are really doing a lot of drinking. No Choke Slam to commit is wait till this is over Adam straight to hell six Jericho to eight was over. GimMe another campaign. We'll just go with it right. I'm caught up to four eight finishes right now. That considered a shirt finisher. Okay thank all right. Here's coach. Can I get another camp here. Someone's going down this no just drink eight. Just say eight drinks. Don't down it but this jokes probably going to eliminate coach. No it's not all right so and that's how I look at this. I look at this whole situation is if it was one of my friends right and is probably auto insurance. Cer- hoosiers finished actually. I was doing the math in doing me. Remember when I thought this is going to be the easier. Royal Game fucking dangerous when it comes to finishing your ashes easier but Bach said but fuck I can't interim do we're onto drake. Because he came in late. Yeah all right I respect your opinion I do I love you and and I we give you know and this is being very honest and open because this is a situation that's also close to my heart. I was having a conversation with people at work because not many people know my past and how I grew up you do my friends and I was the only white kid in high school. All of my best friends are all blacks. So when I moved to Florida and People War Batista bomb to people. Down Florida we're dropping the inbound inbound left and right. I'm like dude you can't say that and then those assholes will go. You don't have to be blacked being momber and I'm like are kind of I. I don't agree with that but I but it doesn't change the fact that I I actually agree that the downing I yeah to I'm Cain I I understand that that logical thinking of you don't have to be black to be harm so I can say and say no then. Just take this just an hour. I do believe that outsourcing and but I also and look many of my black friends like you could be black and you could be You know you're you're one of those people you know. So I'm not arguing goes out. He's not evolved. Ah We didn't drink until he was involved in some sort of something we also. We did drink bischoff. Almost Tyson Tomko is dead. The only time accounts Johnson interferes in the. Yeah managers are way different. Okay yeah someone that comes out with. Someone normally demanded he which is going Tyson Tomko going. That was Christian but again that's ninety screaming. He's excited. He gets to drink an a clock locking dammit. Oh interesting elimination. Oh Hi right. That's three five altogether. You already did the two for six nine. I hate when nobody eliminates came right right. Did you guys see Keynes's flu. And then flipped over a weird nursing came to a flip that before levitated air for second so again. He's he's district is really fucking on my points. So Tessa Blanchard did something where somebody said that it happened and then a bunch of ever friends are backing her in this situation. So I'm believing that it happened just like I would believe Smitty. If he said something has happened dislike like I believe Walt if he said something like this happened. These are my friends that I will have their back for no matter what you know anybody who's watching watching this show knows that we give some of the Shit Outta Smitty and we will have his back. Twenty four seven especially if we think somebody dropped it was being fucking racist as shit to them if he said for us not to say something. We wouldn't story what happened right outside the studio before the spine is a spine buster the signature to that one. All right so on time Smith is getting out of Zuber getting out of my car and these to do two to three. We kids drive by on their bikes. And just yell the word again as long as loud as they can on their bikes so means smitty jumped in my car and we confronted them. Yeah I'm once I get it done not let that go. You did but you did the car. Because that's some fucking bullshit but I'm I'm already been shit pretty much most of my life. I believe in that no matter if you're dealing yeah right. That's fine so well I think that's what some of my Stanford comes from like at some point in light. I'm African the American male in America spy master during but I'm just like this is just. I guess the problem is that you're used to it. I I'm not I'm asking you. Is Nam Nam. It is right then. Why was eliminated by flare so a dead wrestler eliminates a dead wrestler? I know they. They can't kill flare he's tried to die doesn't work. There's definitely flare signature. Hits them in the balls but robot is at is a flare signature. What don't worry I remember? It is a flare chop a signature. Yes we have three drinks because he's just two chops. Aw Aw do that sucks. Ninety two rumble Ramaz police. 'cause I'm almost done with this from Ernie I know he's the final four. Yeah I remember this rumble. I remember finishing rumble all. Yeah yeah one somebody comes out and blows out ball. Two quads wants so yeah. Uh We'll move on from him but I'm a I'm a full because we can't get into this. I'm a full gear. Spirit finisher didn't it's he sees the with it. I four. He's here I don't WanNa do another drink spear elimination spirit in three fuck off these rumbles. Always start out so fucking easy as I just thing this saw I hate raspberry flavor. Now we're seeing. What are you an or very ball now they just both toss them over John? CDO looks nothing like Ernest here. Age and Batista's Tair missile this while he was over like rover Smalley looks but these are all seem like when they do the side profile. He's looks tiny me. Yeah you great about this finish but TC technical is a hill in turn afterwards also those pump shoes are awesome and the Dr. I got the SPF you. Yeah what the two thousand six. Well this is two thousand and five so it's very possible that was around on their Smith. What was the other? Oh Yeah so the final thing I want to talk about. You know what we'll talk about that after this rumble. Because we we we always do our ten bell salute moments islands and there it is. Can we do attitude dude double elimination now. Here comes van sues not into rubble and the diesel got his hand raised. Because is he's we're all together was supposed to win. They weren't supposed to do that. I get them back in the ring. Right now VIPs inside. Somebody's head I think this is original again. Just that was that that was not a fuck up the way these rafts are acting those not a fucked up but it's raw. Never know this this way. Look at those shirt. That's when I realized this part was the work. Yeah because of the shirts if they did it where both shirts like a a surf from different brands. We're doing it. That are a little bit more believable. It wasn't a work. Well it's not a word. Is What what what happened. Liz wasn't came out with walking. Like this so talkin. Mad disclosed already drinks Vince. No nope is. He can't even stand irony of the bulldoze guys both headline Wrestlemania for both brands here. This is hilarious watching Vince. You sit down when you're the first time you fucking Washington issues is looking events going. What's going on here just like? Why did you sitting there is no? There's like literally though each other over my was twice. I think twice before you hold on an Larry's about this is not knowing envisages sitting there. Are you like a wise Vince. Sitting in so everybody come actually is everywhere going back now. I started begging on here comes Ben Wa if us as Gross Not Auto Stop Stop Yelling Course Mike as many you could be on the other side of the fucking room and you're yelling still survive. Did we did we survive. I'm number one number six. Because you're taking you fucked. He's supposed to dig a number number four. Yeah I'm on the fourth onto alchoholic. Maybe drinking enthusiasm mean thank you. We have played this game before we Kinda knew what we were getting into. He did hint. Oh I've done a virgin. I N while doing virgin. I answered answer the phone. Call for my axe version. Such a bad I was at the time or is how she became here. She was my my exit the time so I did a version of the two thousand. I've done a version of this About a year ago right before I moved in with my roommate. WHO's beautiful? Great boobs probably watching this GonNa give you talk about this later but we did a version of this and we did the ninety seven rumble. Austin Rama Rommel Yeah Awesome one that one and Louis Their version of this game and it was. We wanted to like a twelve pack. A Red Stripe okay. So where's the Bell Z.. You're the one with a bill. You always do the bell about. Oh yeah you know exactly what we're doing to pull. I have to pull up his wikipedia so again the last thing that we wanted to I seventy seventy two thousand twenty was I believe right. That's not she's thirty four K.. Seventies let's go to the full thing as I was saying same. Rocky Johnson passed away. This week. the father of the rock the A man who broke color barriers in professional wrestling. I ever African American Tony. Atlas Patrol Yep in nineteen eighteen eighty three him and told me atlas became the first black champions. WW history the first black champions not just tag team champions of the first black men to hold title belt of championship nature in visit Vincent Fence Company. Right that's spectacular He was also the first black Georgia heavyweight champion in. NWEA he he was born Wayde. Douglas Bowls Iraqi Johnson and he him and the great chief Peter my via because he married his daughter are the ones that spawn the rock. And that's how rock came in as rocky my via because he was taking on the lineage of Volvo's level errors axel to an extent. Yeah Way Way way but so this is a man and the the rock made a post the other day finally after a couple days of this which I understand look There hasn't been a lot a lot of conversation about things but I do know the grieving process. We've all lost a friend in at the beginning of this year right and so we understand the grieving process. Sometimes it might take you. I'll be alright in a couple of hours. Sometimes I might be good a couple days sometimes. It might take a couple of weeks a month or two. Everybody's grieving process is different. So the rock posting a couple a couple of days later I'm not mocking talking shitting on or anything I get it. I understand why it might take some time for something. To be said is dead and it was his father right. He let's just give a list of championships. He was the NWEA World Tag team. Champion champion With Ben Justice one time he was the NWEA brass knuckles championship. Florida version. NWEA Florida heavyweight champion in three times the NWEA Florida tag team championship attacked him. Champion one time and NWEA. Florida television champion. One time. He was the Awa Southern Tag team championship twice with Jimmy Valiant. The other one was soul train Jones. NWEA Georgia heavyweight champion. NWEA Georgia tag team champion with Jerry Briscoe and NWEA making tag team champion with Danny little bear he was also the NWEA television champion twice NWEA Canadian Tag Team Champion with Don Leo Jonathan the brass knuckles champion Rian also in Texas the Texas version once NWEA Texas heavyweight champion twice and NWEA Texas. Tag Team Champion. One one time with a Jose Libardo so let me get through all of the things I wanted to talk about what that just put him in your ahead the Hollywood wrestling of Nwea Nwea Americas heavyweight champion one time Nwea America's tag team champion. One time with Earl maynard and Nwea W. A. beat the champ television champion twice the NWEA CWA Awa International Tag team champion with Bill Dundee. Once the southern headway championship once is what he won In San Francisco he was all over with. NWEA cause remember NWEA had many different territories but he and there's different belts for all that were eventually combined and stuff like that to make the full but obviously these are all championships and accolades. It's speaking to the man that Rocky Johnson was because he was able to go into different territories event the old days and still fucking Shit. Move that one way. NWEA San Francisco he was Nwea United States heavyweight champion once and NWEA World Tag team champion with Pat Patterson Four Times James Three times with Pat Patterson and one time with Pepper Gomez for Polynesia. NWEA's Polynesia Wrestling Pacific. Tag Team champion with Ricky. Okay Johnson Ricky wreckage in the Pacific northwest wrestling. NWEA Pacific northwest heavyweight champion. So he's held the heavyweight champion and many of the NWEA territories. I can kicking ass take a top many of these different territories Charlotte Charlotte of that. He was like flared would go to different territories when the belt and then have their new top guy when the belt and then move on to another territory. Either way he tape player he was. He was always an attraction but he was a top star so yeah Pacific northwest wrestling and w Pacific northwest heavyweight champion. One time we used about Bob Pacific Living Northwest Tag team championship twice once with Brett Sawyer. One with iceman Parsons NPWS pressing illustrated in greatest hacking special. The ball time my two he was ranked twenty two eleven. Two hundred and eleven of the five hundred best singles wrestlers in the. PWI years in two thousand three Saint Louis Wrestling Hall of fame. He's in their class of two thousand eight World Wrestling Federation entertainment. He was the tag team champion. One time with Tony Atlas and in in two thousand and eight. He was in the W he was inducted to. Wwe Hall of fame which the Rock inducted him into now Ladies Gentlemen Boys and girls everyone listening to this this while we're having fun in doing the drinking game On what we're having fun and doing the drinking game to this we had a conversation about Tessa blanchard and all the things that she may have done To awesome hold down an African American wrestler regardless of issue sessoms promoters. What she called them anything either way? I feel like if the minute you say that to an African American you drop that word especially actually when you spit at the person You're trying to hold that person back. Rocky Johnson is a man that broke those barriers the barriers that people tried to hold back and you have to fully respect and appreciate that man because look Kofi Professional. National Wrestling is a sport. That doesn't get a lot of the mainstream appeal and things like that. You know what I'm saying like Jackie Robinson with baseball and all Jim Brown and Jim Brown and for all college football. But you know there's all these because these are major sports and everything and seizing professional wrestling isn't as like now. It's coming back into the mainstream for the attitude era but back in the eighties the golden and it really it really took until fucking Hogan and his popularity before professional wrestling hit mainstream with MTV the rock and wrestling so on and so forth the first Wrestlemainia but back in eighty three and stuff. It wasn't wasn't as big of a deal in pop culture pop culture that is kind of now and then what is brought to since Hogan and became since wrestlemainia one Hogan MTV in May and Mr T. but it does not it does not it's space and pop culture when this happen does not diminish what Rocky Johnson did for the sport Smitty after our ten bell salute will get into your What she wanted to say so we're going to give? Aw Rocky Johnson a ten bell salute as we do for every great professional wrestling a that passes away and a moment of silence during the ten bell salute resin impeach rocky so man Johnson many. What was your point during all this? So the first thing lease in the bare knuckle championship so Sufficient knowledge is not pretty much there was. NWEA's kind of thing about what how Japan strong wrong Silas So this is one where to get out there is they The Bare Knuckle Championship is pretty much. The American version of a strong style match and rocky two houses. This is one of those any of the bare knuckle championship about five or six times throughout his career Another thing like Maybe when I started getting into wrestling had all go that was into it and one thing he got me to watch as rocky Johnson matches whether it was taxiing single stuff because this he was like Whoa this the negatives get you to watch wrestling for black people and he is he was. That's the influence he had on me and wrestling. I got him. Because Hogan and Macho man and stuff Magadan mcdonagh's he was he was he was. He was heads and races representation of me. When I started becoming a little bit more I became a little more story and we have some of the opinions? I have tort minorities in the Industry Rocky. Gaza is that person. And that's something that many people can take away again trail-blazing breaking barriers. All this stuff You can't give give enough respect to the man of Rocky Johnson and what he has put and given to the legacy the of wrestling himself his offspring all kinds A. It's crazy to think that the man who was the first I ever diverse ever champions the first African American champions in World Wrestling Federation entertainment. Spawn someone to go on to be the biggest crossover star in all of it. Yes bright which only Cements further the legacy of his charisma and the things he put out there. Because look I think the great chief Peter. My Visa Uh was a wonderful in ring technician. That's what he got over with. What was achieved Gigi? Yes right Johnson. However had the fucking charisma especially a company with Tony Atlas and whomever to be the SOBA drove? It should be great enough to be featured as a top guy all throughout NWEA's territories to be featured as a champion the first ever African American champion in World Wrestling Federation entertainment. He's so that in itself you can tell. That's where Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Got All of that charisma from sure. He made his own. But you can't ever say that the rock did this without the the background that he had if his father wasn't who his father was. You'll also that's who trained him right but if his father who wasn't doesn't who his father was. I don't know that the rock would have been as big in wrestling professional wrestling sports entertainment entertainment as he he is now nor do I think honestly and the way. He put out his instagram posts about his father. Do I think he would have the ethic of working and pushing forward that because his data so years the rocks work ethic is the african-american ethic ethic. I'm sorry I'm not trying to make racing. In general in general we feel we have to work twice as hard just to be had at at the point of our white counterparts. We feel like we have to work twice as hard just to be accepted so lazy dog. How about the Ashley can semi offended me? I'm over a million jobs. You semi you know I work. I work I work. I do have doubts. Technically I'm just fucking with you Smith. There's your other job I'm Barbara into at one point in Smitty screw have four. Pick me up to. Oh so yeah back to the just again. Thank you rocky Johnson for the things that you have done for wrestling. I obviously you have this wrestling and African American African Americans and Africans American. Yeah I I four deep so again recipes rocky so man Johnson. That's IT FOR US folks. 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That was a great part of smackdown best singles else. McDonald's I'll be very honest man. I thought was great this week. I thought I even that fistfight. That seemed really stupid because we were the muddy Murphy things. Look look I we very honest I knew the minute they showed him. Okay so the very they had him sit out there for a match. Our was great irregardless regardless even if he didn't but I was like he's going to join the fucking. WWe version of the inner circle. But it was wonderful. Think about that guys. Who can we shit talk? The fuck we posted shit on facebook and Instagram Thuc. This this fistfight is stupid. And then all the rules were dom because yeah but just gave it a different name for a similar man and we shit all over it but then after it happened we were like fuck talked very well so shout out to wwe for taking something there. Everyone thought was going to be a fucking horrible piece of television programming. And we're there's a lot of. Yeah so I again I thought raw I thought Robb was the best. It's been in a few years a lot of good matches and ending. That shows that they're moving forward even even lessner in our truth. That was great. Posted where you see this man the sports when we what I will say what. I'm going to give all the fucking respect to on raw and I said this on our twitter and we posted it. Is this raw. Seemed like anyone who cut a promo was given bullet points and said go there was. I noticed fuck ups here and there couple slips this but it seemed like everybody got the green light like all right today guys. We're just GONNA be ourselves. We're going to see what hang on. I think part because we'll AWA promos except I don't give a shit what happened. What causes it? I'm just happy that it happened. Is We've been talking about. How overly scripted? Ww seems to be and raw was the best. It's been in years because of that. Now big big big big big man. But I'm pretty sure you over the top rope shortage down but that's all that's all hated. It seems like they did the same thing on on smackdown as well like the whole like Ouzo Promo where they say their line but then Roman weights minute and then he finishes it which I was like. That's kind of domino like actually there wasn't that bad but at first I was like. Why didn't they say who so you so penitentiary to uh-huh and then Romans says it I'm like all right? They're starting to build this little faction right and but at the same time it also seems like ws finally letting people be themselves and I will fully on back I will fully back a Roman reigns. That is speaking unscripted Saturday. If you ever WANNA get Roman reigns over just giving them a Mike with no script. He's the coolest dude he's ever met he'd get over no problem. The what you just said is is one of those. Like I'm. I'm not the biggest fan of a superwoman. Push I am not but if you let Roman himself everything. I've heard podcasts. Everything I've heard from interviews. If you just let Rome be himself he get himself over naturally but right now. I'm going to give them a room. We're going to give them super push again after our rumble. If you WANNA be himself he can get over a keep kind of script him again after this. It's going to get the same result so what you're saying is if Roman continues to do scripted promos. You don't like him. But if he does like bullet bullet points or goes out there and speak from the heart then he's also allowed to say the he's he's Ah for Iraq. All right look Next Week Ladies and Gentlemen Buffalo Wild albums downtown Detroit. We'll be having our royal rumble party along with the knockouts and three guys podcast. They also are part of this Second floor can we have a whole bunch of fucking fund makes she come down. One to one eight Randolph Street. Detroit Michigan again. No cover family friendly. You can bring your kids. I'm very honest. You could bring your kids but they might hear the word but fuck it is family friendly and when he says might he means definitely when we're going to handle whether fuck April giveaways we got. We got all kinds of stuff government doing things with the Of course are great friends at progressing scorecards. We're GONNA have scorecards free to fill up so make sure you get there before the rumble accident. Pay Per view actually starts so you can get your picks in for everything that's happening after the pre show and if you have the most points you'll be getting something for free just for filling out a fucking scorecard so I gotta do fill out a fucking scorecard orkar period. You don't you don't have to. I mean you know when you come in. You have to buy a drink and so on and so forth but it's my go silent remember For for giveaway for this cost you money. You don't have to buy a RAFFLE ticket. You just fill out a scorecard if you have the most points anyone in that thing and you are still there at the end of it you get a prize. That's all we're asking for. You show up have fun have a great time. You know how great our wrestling wrestlemainia party was last year. We do all the big four on the second floor of b-dubs they've been so kind putting fucking posting advertisements thousands on their televisions and everything is one of the things. So make sure you come down next Sunday January. Twenty Six two thousand twenty come down second-floor royal rumbles. WWe event It's GONNA be a fucking blast locking Creggan. Yeah one hundred percent of course again. Everything is along with pro wrestling scorecards. Make sure you're paying attention to the NWEA NWEA later this week. As the hard times pay per view that's going to be amazing is the world's collide from the royal rumble on Sunday. so much fucking wrestling. I talk about next week when you come into. You need to fucking listen and be paying attention to us live so you know what our Pixar for the royal rumble. How we feel about hard times how we feel feel about the world's collide all this great shit? We're getting into next week. Make sure you pay attention. We are your ring crew Z.. A. Halfway drugs maybe four-way drunks many and me the Almighty one. Mikey self. We really appreciate your listening and we are out.

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"Praise God praise. God praise God how they obviously Hollywood. You thank you father. Thank you father. Thank you father. Thank you so much. God kingdom BSE. For case. But Bishop Adam could Bishop Adam see when you choose call me. It's all right with me. God is good and also have my first book out. It's come up police real life. Don't give up it said Amazon. Go store what he called a Goo- The It's own praise. God praise. God is autumn's praise God Amazon itunes and minimal that you didn't get a online e books online right now you can look up Adam critical ad ad AMC C. R. E. D. Ellie is on Amazon. I have a I e book. It's cau- got bolaise real life. Don't give up praise. God praise God for my first book and also got a second book coming out wrote a book. Palpable going supported. I promise you'll be blessed as you read it. Monica Monica hot. As though you gonNA support the ministry and my famous e book. It's only e book as not paper Bulk. None like that. Would you go audit descent to your house? You got the goal on Amazon Tombs. Oughta E book platforms praise. God praise God highly highly. Will you guys? Yeah Ma. Maga Grover Glory Glory Glory Glory Glory Glory Hallelujah. Praise God praise God today which compromised God today and just have a good time and got always remember staying word gossip. They flavor got got on stage of planning on staying. What you're going through. God is serious about his business in your life and you cannot have from God. That's the reason why God is leading this deal going on because a singing in praise. God praise God. We are living in the days that this will describe comfortable. Pays that all men and women with did owning news right now and repeat of these things up to God. If you're going to serious he is didn't happen because of seeing unique to life in auto. Gus Trim stop playing God. This is very serious. He's proven the he is not plan. But you get a relationship with Jesus getting your word I get a relationship with Jesus this. This is the only way you can be protected. Did out of your scene out your flesh on your ways and live the way God toys you and the way he demanded and he'd brave he wants to leave it. He was going to be easy but he will be which he will take you but the only way you're GonNa be protected you got to be covered by you. You gotta be on your knees. You gotta be focused on God more than anything. This vars is way to let you know. He's not please God Maga. Is Tommy get serious about God's business it's time to get serious about God's business planning around crippling around cost you've been playing around doing your own thing sleeping around sleeping around having sex and you think is good on being honest and not sleeping around means. The women's sleeping with women is serious. Stop playing this God that no you bet you know that some people have to die to that you know to that you know you have to let you know that he still use the won't be my my. I gotTA keep it real which I have to speak as he told me speaking. Don't get offended. It doesn't matter because I'm speaking to God tells me you have to get your stuff together but God you got the because you've got to be in prayer. He got dump raise. You GotTa Be About Gossiping Full. You could pay a ticket but as far as going on. Maga WE'LL GIVE IN DAYS. I shall be open. It mean a win will see the judgment of God keep playing. You're obviously in. It's time to be serious about Gaza basis for you could be protected by the friars. That's going on it. Just like his hand then happen his hand. Let go up in the air. It income from China if India is in the Air India. Pray is my God. My God you gotta be. Clubbing stepped living. Your senior living. The way you want to come on of churches look close traffic close Mica. He's had into the overweight. Does he says my God my guy. It could get worse. But it's up to him. Get a fiend. Get Mad at me. It doesn't matter. I'm I'm not sure if the police nobody. I'm Tim true. And keep a real richie. I'm not going nobody. I'M NOT GONNA be nobody around way. I'm living the right way. Jesus Away my God my God nice time to give God praise. It's time to give God praise. Let's do it said that neither one of Brenda's going back in your black black a black complex bladder sit-ups out on your house with an Elvis. Got Your coupons seven burs debt. Kostov. You'll seven forty seven you your will pulls it up on a black into will kick them out you know the couch powers. Speak Nuance Look Birds. Her Emmy News Talk Six hundred bucks. Raton Clayton serves on your block offs yet coupon guy. I mean you you move. There were no way disciples block. Hey notes okay. No black tea and real menace costume meal. You're sure why play for faith from all parts in your branding working but I like the service this to Seoul service set up a couple days black. Sit of stop on your Black House. I got to all a long all had been and I've been I've been calling everything. Child Watch master omission. Schol enough when you when you come down shows your home in your phone and with that as PA a every time you call them at you to the latest Doma Kerry. You may be seeing. How are you on my tummy? Car-o-van famous on my carry. You make a single retold Brian. I gotTA play a few years. I WANNA share. What my way couple of a beat maybe pay you know my may be a good meal. Good Dang good good shoestring trump say no his job raise. Your last meal will be the first car. Can I get as much in the? You can comment on it. I repeat in case you didn't know how are you every time you call to the latest? Gerry hockey. How Cell Phones Jerry? Maybe single baby baby low. Yay You just little Has Little little. Jesus Lumo along the way. No Ma'am Gogh old two little bowl. Jesus God owned only core. Get Little Jesus is on a long a album. Hey Hey want you to make listen carefully. No with the DEVIL JUST LOSE. Your soul did a money. Now you'll lose control. Power down on goal was the gold by the destruction. Nablus what would it profit if you just to gain a whole girl but this world is cold. The world is mine me. No Brown. Think you stop face but he go take down a troll shot old. We reloaded to take gold candle. Wait streets of those. Send a message to the Devil Games. I always say oh. We made this to take gold plate of the street. Something right phone. Send a message to the devil cello. Canes on baby girl who was in your fault fisted you demonic cults. Begin the group that you're feeling the women there's applause in the system in this but there's an anecdote. Please don't give up hope now. Don't need the tray. Peel just prenup Provo. Let them go into the Holy Ghost all in the name of Jesus Faintest major whole child. I thaw toes old. We rewrote here this to take go wait gut the street. Something like Oh. Send a message to the cello games on Thursday told Jay was old. We've been loaded this to take time to break the streets. Just send a message to tell them canes. I go off in pain not to try to give your times. Daddy named Kat. Gang pain were you. Hey but they came up. I'll give you way trying to save the. You was saying that time. I put your boy too much jobs this the way. You don't have to Kill Them. Rob So my young black men this well we into es pin and receive New Light Bulb again. I thought I was in. Oh we re not. It is to take Jones trying to wake up the street. Suck that message to download games game. I thought I told James in own. We reloaded is to change channel trade up the street. Something like this to tell them games. Same thing. Send a message to look devil. Cello Games all my soldiers bound up we about to take the city said Mr Fellow. Kill them when you have a chance. Home Cinema Misunderstood. Tell them games but no weapon full and the kids. We shall simister student cello. Canes old listen the power of quite. I don't care if you listen to your hand foods. I'll talk to wait till we get to the church. You can do this quite now. If do confessed without now the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead shall be safe right now. Lift up your hands and say I received t's a heart right now in season and whose people are check it out and I'm tired and I want to give up one so crazy. Laugh down now if you're so Baba get off. Oh only got nobody sir Has Big Mercer? Oh everybody kind of let it breathe. Go did everything from President. Every attacks from the enemy must have done a better guy said that another one of Brenda's going back in the Black Hawk. Black should've stopped on your house in office yet. They got to stop a coupon. You won't seven burs off seven forty seven dollars you won't you won't give up couch. Loaded nuance say skip. Who is so student? Enemy News Aftermath. O.`Neil Black only on your blood in cows house right at all. They got to stop it coupon. Maybe you block cook them. Meals red menace costume meal widely for the faith from this. Because you're hardly home in branding but I say this I did service Mr Soul Circus. I get set up your black house plaque. Stop Black and gray on your Black House Complex. Winter yet Seal strong the Lord. Mayor Myself Own Stroll saw a stroll DOA DOA Stone Kelp Kelp ice storm stalls stolen. Throw and throw it wrong been toys. Thanks Stroll your myself strong your Mama when times hoard. It ain't looking good. I'm still the is in the could feel going top. Got No brakes so I can't be stopped. GotTa keep removing always. Oh My gain Christ. Set Me. Three shared love keeping moving always. Oh My cane Christ. Set me three bit say never been done the grace of God on my life so keep removing always. Oh my bet me. Set me free a torn on my life. You came home. We try to sell them sick insane. Frana God's presence with me in the poll Towa Towa Stormy Stone Stone is. Am The doors told us? Pay Strong really myself off. Big Man says stick in no lack of big of mad men. Meet like you've got a if you've got a proud. I know how to solve a kid. I can't hold me is always a place. I never scared. Homie us. Always close their mom. All closest ally jot site lights kid twinkle twinkle. I never skin homing close at their mom. Old boy type light light what she wants. You respect me respect. Why why tonight of the world's respect son Talk Green is considered the door down and myself. We Roll Paced Stroll Toa Doa Doa. Nice told me strong. Help off the door own on his belt as stroll. You're not selling myself jess impact. How care what is the the old myth in my hair? Just a pitch for how care. What is the concealed within my hands? Keeping to all pray with a fresh pair jess how care put his hands cubic cory cory head to the press as a elected they walk in there saying no way no walking so never stop. I'm a big cooked meals. Stays Guaranteed Crack Crack? Cupid jumping all would would. It is 'cause some laborde stone throw announce pro DOA DOA stone throwing Kelp Kelp Kelp. The door stole throwing-throwing role towards Jordan. Strong strong myself mine. Pj.

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"Praise God praise. God praise God how they obviously Hollywood. You thank you father. Thank you father. Thank you father. Thank you so much. God kingdom BSE. For case. But Bishop Adam could Bishop Adam see when you choose call me. It's all right with me. God is good and also have my first book out. It's come gop police real life. Don't give up it said Amazon. Go store what he called a Goo- The It's own praise. God praise. God is autumn's praise God Amazon itunes and minimal that you didn't get a online e books online right now you can look up Adam critical ad ad AMC C. R. E. D. Ellie is on Amazon. I have a I e book. It's cau- got bolaise real life. Don't give up praise. God praise God for my first book and also got a second book coming out wrote a book. Palpable going supported. I promise you'll be blessed as you read it. Monica Monica hot. As though you gonNA support the ministry and my famous e book. It's only e book as not paper Bulk. None like that. Would you go audit descent to your house? You got the goal on Amazon Tombs. Oughta E book platforms praise. God praise God highly highly. Will you guys? Yeah Ma. Maga Grover Glory Glory Glory Glory Glory Glory Hallelujah. Praise God praise God today which compromised God today and just have a good time and got always remember staying. God's stay faithful to God got on stage of Planning on staying what you're going through. God is serious about his business in your life and you cannot have from God. That's the reason why God is leading this deal going on because a singing in praise. God praise God. We are living in the days that this will describe comfortable. Pays that all men and women with did owning news right now and repeat of these things up to God. If you're going to serious he is didn't happen because of seeing unique to life in auto. Gus Trim stop playing God. This is very serious. He's proven the he is not plan. But you get a relationship with Jesus getting your word I get a relationship with Jesus this. This is the only way you can be protected. Did out of your scene out your flesh on your ways and live the way God toys you and the way he demanded and he'd brave he wants to leave it. He was going to be easy but he will be which he will take you but the only way you're GonNa be protected you got to be covered by you. You gotta be on your knees. You gotta be focused on God more than anything. This vars is way to let you know. He's not please God Maga. Is Tommy get serious about God's business it's time to get serious about God's business planning around crippling around cost you've been playing around doing your own thing sleeping around sleeping around having sex and you think is good on being honest and sleeping around means. The women's sleeping with women is serious. Stop playing this God that no you bet you know that some people have to die to that you know to that you know you have to let you know that he still use the won't be my my. I gotTA keep it real which I have to speak as he told me speaking. Don't get offended. It doesn't matter because I'm speaking to God tells me you have to get your stuff together but God you got the because you've got to be in prayer. He got dump raise. You GotTa Be About Gossiping Full. You could pay a ticket but as far as going on Maka Maga. We'll give in days. I shall be open. It mean a win will see the judgment of God keep playing. You're obviously in. It's time to be serious about Gaza basis for you could be protected by the friars. That's going on it. Just like his hand then happen his hand. Let go up in the air. It income from China if India is in the Air India. Pray is my God. My God you gotta be. Clubbing stepped living. Your senior living. The way you want to come on of churches look close traffic close Mica. He's had into the overweight. Does he says my God my guy. It could get worse. But it's up to him. Get a fiend. Get Mad at me. It doesn't matter. I'm I'm not sure if the police nobody. I'm Tim true. And keep a real richie. I'm not going nobody. I'M NOT GONNA be nobody around way. I'm living the right way. Jesus Away my God my God nice time to give God praise. It's time to give God praise. Let's do it said that neither one of Brenda's going back in your black black a black complex bladder sit-ups out on your house with an Elvis. Got Your coupons seven burs debt. Kostov seven forty seven. You your will pulls it up on a black into will kick them out you know the couch powers. Speak Nuance Look Birds. Her Emmy News Talk Six hundred bucks. Raton Clayton serves on your block offs yet coupon guy. I mean you you move. There were no way disciples block. Hey notes okay. No black tea and real menace costume meal. You're sure why play for faith from all parts in your branding working but I like the service this to Seoul service set up a couple days black. Sit of stop on your Black House. I got to all a long all had been and I've been. I've been calling everything. Child WATCH MASTER OMISSION. Shaw enough when you when you come down shows your home in your phone and with that as PA a every time you call them at you to the latest Doma Kerry. You may be seeing. How are you on my tummy? Car-o-van famous on my carry. You make a single retold Brian. I gotTA play a few years. I WANNA share what my way couple of a I guess you know maybe pay you know my may be a good meal good. Dang good good shoestring trump say no his job raise. Your last meal will be the first car. Can I get as much in the? You can comment on it. I repeat in case you didn't know how are you every time you call to the latest? Gerry hockey. How Cell Phones Jerry? Maybe single baby baby low. Yay You just little Has Little little. Jesus Lumo along the way. No Ma'am Gogh old two little bowl. Jesus God owned only core. Get Little Jesus is on a long a album. Hey Hey want you to make some carefully. No with the DEVIL JUST LOSE. Your soul did a money. Now you'll lose control. Power down on goal was the gold by the destruction. Nablus what would it profit if you just to gain a whole girl but this world is cold. The world is mine me. No Brown. Think you stop face but he go take down a troll shot old. We reloaded to take gold candle. Wait streets of those. Send a message to the Devil Games. I always say oh. We made this to take gold plate of the street. Something right phone. Send a message to the devil cello. Canes on baby girl who was in your fault fisted you demonic cults. Begin the group that you're feeling the women there's applause in the system in this but there's an anecdote. Please don't give up hope now. Don't need the tray. Peel just prenup Provo. Let them go into the Holy Ghost all in the name of Jesus Faintest major whole child. I thaw toes old. We rewrote here this to take go wait gut the street. Something like Oh. Send a message to the cello games on Thursday told Jay was old. We've been loaded this to take time to break the streets. Just send a message to tell them canes. I go off in pain not to try to give your times. Daddy named Kat. Gang pain were you. Hey but they came up. I'll give you way trying to save the. You was saying that time. I put your boy too much jobs this the way. You don't have to Kill Them. Rob So my young black men this well we into es pin and receive New Light Bulb again. I thought I was in. Oh we re not. It is to take Jones trying to wake up the street. Suck that message to download games game. I thought I told James in own. We reloaded is to change channel trade up the street. Something like this to tell them games. Same thing. Send a message to look devil. Cello Games all my soldiers bound up we about to take the city said Mr Fellow. Kill them when you have a chance. Home Cinema Misunderstood. Tell them games but no weapon full and the kids. We shall simister student cello. Canes old listen the power of quite. I don't care if you listen to your hand foods. I'll talk to wait till we get to the church. You can do this quite now. If do confessed without now the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead shall be safe right now. Lift up your hands and say I received t's a heart right now in season and whose people are check it out and I'm tired and I want to give up one so crazy. Laugh down now if you're so Baba get off. Oh only got nobody sir Has Big Mercer? Oh everybody kind of let it breathe. Go did everything from President. Every attacks from the enemy must have done a better guy said that another one of Brenda's going back in the Black Hawk. Black should've stopped on your house in office yet. They got to stop a coupon. You won't seven burs off seven forty seven dollars you won't you won't give up couch. Loaded nuance say skip. Who is so student? Enemy News Aftermath. O.`Neil Black only on your blood in cows house right at all. They got to stop it coupon. Maybe you block cook them. Meals red menace costume meal widely for the faith from this. Because you're hardly home in branding but I say this I did service Mr Soul Circus. I get set up your black house plaque. Stop Black and gray on your Black House Complex. Winter yet Seal strong the Lord. Mayor Myself Own Stroll saw a stroll DOA DOA stone. Kelp Kelp is strong stalls. Stolen throw and throw it wrong. Been Toys thanks stroll your myself strong your Mama when times hoard. It ain't looking good. I'm still the is in the could feel going top. Got No brakes so I can't be stopped. GotTa keep removing always. Oh My gain Christ. Set Me. Three shared love keeping moving always. Oh My cane Christ. Set me three bit say never been done the grace of God on my life so keep removing always. Oh my bet me. Set me free a torn on my life. You came home. We try to sell them sick. Same Frana God's presence with me in the poll Towa Towa stormy stone stone is. Am The doors told us pay strong really myself off? Big Man says stick in no lack of big of mad men. Meet like you've got a if you've got a proud. I know how to solve a kid. I can't hold me is always a place. I never scared. Homie us. Always close their mom. All closest ally God site lights kid twinkle twinkle. I never skin homing close at their mom. Old boy type light light what she wants. You respect me respect. Why why tonight of the world's respect son Talk Green is considered the door down and myself. We Roll Paced Stroll Toa Doa Doa. Nice told me strong. Help off the door own on one belt stroll. You're not selling myself jess impact. How care what is the the old myth in my hair? Just a pitch for how care. What is the concealed within my hands? Keeping to all pray with a fresh pair jess how care put his hands cubic cory cory head to the press as a elected they walk in there saying no way no walking so never stop. I'm a big cooked meals. Stays Guaranteed Crack Crack? Cupid jumping all would would. It is 'cause some laborde stone throw announce pro DOA DOA stone throwing Kelp Kelp Kelp. The door stole throwing-throwing role towards Jordan. Strong strong myself mine. Pj.

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Long May You Young 22: Trans

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2:05:56 hr | 3 months ago

Long May You Young 22: Trans

"WHO's in their vote amount? Of Water election days. Now. Biggest Swain here from deeper digs and rocker archaeology John are you registered to vote. I know I am. Headcount is a nonpartisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get fans to vote. Update or check your voter registration status, go to headcount dot org or you'll find all the information you need to be ready for. Election. Day. At Headcount Dot Org, you can also check your registration status because I don't know if you know this, but millions of people get purged from the voter rolls every year. Everyone should check their registration status every year. The deadline to register to vote in some states is as early as October fourth. So you want to check before that. You can also request an absentee ballot, get INFO on early voting finder polling place and see what's on your ballot. Headcount is a nonpartisan nonprofit that tours with musicians to help concert attendees registered to vote. But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head Count Dot Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Ya. Brain from new. Star. So you want. Your opinion. This Mike isn't ruskin jacket voice the whole time. He better. Idea I can't points. Oh. My God that is. My. Own. PSYCHEDELIC. So weird the way it's GonNa make some really shitty drinks tonight. Last. Early killed. I thought about doing that or there's a helium setting on here too but it's not. Quite doesn't quite match that. Long ME. Sounds like the ghost of the jacket, the jacket died. You're you're jacket they round dying they redid a Christmas Carol, but it was with the jacket voice. The jacket presents a one man performance of Lewis Carroll's a Christmas Carol. Don't laugh doing it sounds so terrified. Sons. Yeah. So. That's there. Okay. We have the Trans. Mike, if anyone needs it. We have Mike Entrance Mike on Trans Mike I. Literally I I have to mute it. Because I can hear you getting a call. What do you got going on over here, Michael This album started in Hawaii. You. Know Neil wanted to get the best of the musicians who he did his best work with he thought, and so he got of course spent Keith was there nils lofgren. What's his name Joey Lala on percussion? Who was the percussionist on the stills young band which confused me because he said he wanted to. Get the people help and do his best stuff, and then hid crazy as a whole hold the whole ban there. Yeah. Crazy. Horse's there and. and so while they were recording in Hawaii for the album that David Geffen, rejected, they call themselves the Royal Pine. I outright good thing. You know what I have to if David Geffen did. Anything. Right. It was rejecting that I I island in the sun album because I can't even imagine what the was probably just a young ban to. Yeah. But I don't know I. Don't know if this one got much better. I'm sorry. I. Tough One loop. This was the hardest to date by far for me. Even when we did I, mean you already did landing on water for that other podcast. This was ten times harder than that. Wasn't really yes I think this is. Infinitely. At. least more interesting than landing on water really yeah yeah. A strong there was there is there's like a story behind it and a mission and weirdness, but landing on water there's no story behind it except for you know he needed to make a commercially successful album landing on water is infinitely more interesting. Wow to me than this this and I understand the story behind it the stuff with with Ben and all that it's just to me it's. It's just exhaustingly bad. This album I'm sorry. Well. You know what? It's definitely not. It's not a neil young album at least the middle part isn't, but that's what makes it such a Neil young album because. In the I, think in the seventy s he was going to extremes with drugs and alcohol and morning styles, and then when technology presented itself in the eighties, he used that to an extreme like he does with everything and so this was his way of getting extreme. He had done everything else to the extreme and this was the new thing he could do to the extreme and I'm not saying it's any good. I'm just trying to find reason I. Think you got Stockholm Syndrome No. Central some of it I I very much softened to this album. When I heard, you're like extreme I'm I'm not that I enjoy some of this well, a lot of people. Like I'm more than words. Like that I do like that. We wait was that from Transat extremists from our extreme podcasts. Can we talk about extreme instead of this album? Oh, my God. Can we sit around like extreme in that video on stools, girlfriends and You know. Look Board. Yeah. Let's do that. Okay. Cool. We had no idea that song was by or who that end is too extreme. Yeah. That's fine to be extremely honest. Boy You like this for us not to I. Know we don't normally. I liked it. But I'm not your like fucking. This excruciating he's not alone it no I know but it's not. Was haring jarring to me. Yes it's jarring but it's not. Wrestling. Definitely have Stockholm's know there's some stuff that's enjoyable. There's some stuff like what there's some stuff on here. That is enjoyable like what? Well, that's why we're doing the PODCAST. Luke. Yeah. We'll get you. Let's do it. Can this be our? ME. When You're. Saving. just trying to capture the David breaks of this podcast. All right. Shut the fuck up and wait to hit record. Listen. All right before we. Done. I'm GonNa hit the theme song and order. Normally. Right, before he hit before like we hit the theme song, then we get into social media stuff I just need to read this one thing. Because this made me really sad I just a second ago. Posted the Trans Album cover on the facebook and I said describe with one sentence. And this. Someone named Kent Smith wrote. My parents split up later divorced the day. This record came out I thought to myself that at least Neil let me down and I bought this record day. Why would you start your sick? What? What? Kent? I'm glad you're still with us. Glad you're okay. This is our meal young podcast where we mostly talk. Through. Miss. My Shoe. On in Boys Trans and harvest and. We're GONNA sit. On sorry I. was opening a can of pineapple juice during the. because they only added in cans at the liquor store, you want me to get you an opener. All you have an opener. I didn't want to get up in the middle of the pie looking stabbing that were using my my Swiss army knife can opener. Always. Get a carry US army knife. Got It. Yeah. So we're I'M GONNA make a new cocktail tonight. Okay. Based on the name of the ban Neil started with with this with the transalpine me started in Hawaii. And wanted to make this album island in the sun and he called the band, the Royal Pine Apples. So I'm going to try to make a a royal pine apple for all of us daylight ingredients look delicious. It's basically a Margarita made with pineapple juice. Yep. Those anthea we'll try to do something interesting with it. Welcome to a long. May you young the podcast that covers Neil Young's catalog by release episode by episode All the best and according to Luke the absolute worst. One of the album's has to be the worst and so far. This is for you. This is your landing. Yeah. Up to this point it's definitely the worst. Yeah. I'm not gonNA argue with that absolutely. What's your second worst up to this point if you had to pick on the spot I know after the gold? Rush? You you'll disagree. Comes time really this one then comes time. Then this one then comes a time yet really not Clo- comes at time isn't even close to as bad as this but if I if I'm going from the bottom okay, this is the bottom next bottom to me is comes at time right I wasn't too thrilled with comes at time but I don't know if throw it down there with translate what would be right Only the stuff we covered. Yes. Yes. Only this stuff was then you know what? I might feel no hawks and say the Hawks and doves then comes a toxin doves or hawks Doug's. I like hawks and Doug better because Doug sings on. Disappointed that you didn't add the Doug Music. Much, you put all your effort in one before that you know why he didn't do much because I literally edited a whole video of you. Making. which was pretty awesome. Making A to the for the most that you made was a mass of my entire table and musical and my reactor album. Plastic on. By the way the reason is tables still sticky is because I haven't cleaned it up. Well, we did cover just. You. Run so that yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's that's fair. I don't know I. Don't know if I count that as a Neil Young. I guess would either be I I. Love I like time. But out of everything else we've covered up to this point, it would be between that and hawks and doves really. Yeah. Because everything else is just awesome. Yeah. You're probably right because I actually enjoyed react I, loved her to there was things again I wish. Hearing that version of the Acoustic version of shots I'm like it's a great song. It's a great song. Better Solo Yeah so you can take that away from the album, but I liked that album. Yeah I like it more than hawks and doves. Yeah. But the thing is I really liked the first from Fox with like. No reactor to me is I re I like the energy I like the spark more than hawks and doves for sure. And then after that, that's when it gets tricky that one that's when it gets hard for me. So we're getting you know that's where we're headed I. Think by episode thirty, we should rank every album. Thirty. Thirty. Yeah. Why not and then? We should have some kind of thing where we punch each other in the face. Disagree okay, it's going to get to that where we have Dan Mosh pit comfort dental. Just in the. Rust you go back and forth with some social stuff real quick while Mike whips us up some. Raisins in the sun or whatever the fuck. A. California raisins guess these drinks will make you blind and then Sidney Poitier will guide you to a new life. Nice. Pronunciation of Potier. Give the man respect I'll read a couple of reviews. Okay. Any a five star review all five stars I don't read anything but so we got one stars I'm not reading them K. this one. Oh. Here we go. Oh boy. Five. Star Review. Dot Dot dot at out in the Lipsey out. So I couldn't read the whole thing. This is the only Neil young podcast you and it's probably probably means you need to listen to but it's from John Locke Aka EFC. AFL. He says started listening to these guys shortly after their first episode dropped and right from the START I was hooked hearing them discuss. Neal's music is great. But just as important as hearing them talk about their personal connections to the music. These guys are hilarious and if they didn't talk about themselves, the show would be dry and boring thinking. John. Locke. Thank you youngster of the year contender number one in have we talked about ourselves he's the one seat I mean yeah. Did We? So we jumped right in with Neil. Neil young on this Neil. Young podcast. That's not done. Well, I'm GonNa talk about germy leave on. Huber. Wow that's a serial killer named. INSTAGRAM. Yeah. But he's got leave on in there. So it kind of eases things out a little. Chill serial killer. Well listen we posted we posted that. You know I'm GonNa kill you but I'm GonNa, kill you but I am going to sing your song about how my? Dad. Down in Turkey scratch almost had a heart attack picking cotton and it goes like this. All right and they're gonNA cut your skin off from where it is a vast. You're. GonNa. Leave. A Jeremy Leon Huber or I don't know how I fucking say that last night huby. or it's like coober. Stupor movie, but the waterboy says hoover do Wa. Watching Mike talk is like watching A. Movie while Sam Elliott is doing the voice. It's amazing. Is because we posted the how to instructions on how to make a fucking evening coconut. At. So that's what I look like when I talk that's. Yeah it sounds mildly racist sounds a little racist I. that's why I read it I. Wanted to get your take on it. Really. That's why does it have to be a Kung Fu wanted to get your take on. Badly dubbed what he's trying to say probably yeah because your voice doesn't match up with all of that like all of this. And also I think part of it had to do with the fact that you did like a crazy. Wild trick after you. Know throated the champagne that I do some kind. Yeah. You ran away now. Back backflip off related. And then you yell little. Daybreak Shoe I've watched he made me almost drown I've watched not the the whole video but I've watched the first fifteen seconds of that no less than one hundred, fifty times it's the funniest it never stops getting funny to me it's Awesome Sarah Lynn also said she thoroughly enjoyed the video but where and which use me where the hell my supposed to buy squirt around here. was like I was like just as Mike Shoe, he'll provide you earned it memes for squirts oh. Wait I got A. Her squirt now. Yeah. Because of the have you seen her most recent memes that she, I saw the gigantic sperm with. Neil. Young Fedora on a flatbed truck and she made a great Doug's. That was fantastic. couple more five stars here, October Twelfth Popstar Pun on youngster who I think are gave us a five star gave us another one instead best podcast on the Internet. I have listened to every show was pretty big area. I mean he's not wrong. I've listened to every show with the exception of the Stephen King ones. There's only one FYI I. Just. Finished Hawks and doves and had to write can't disagree more with the I tunes reviews written by Caruth. And popstar. He disagrees with his first one. Or maybe this is a different one I don't know anyway. Thank you again. All right in other five star review from another one from that shark over there. Titled Titi Bird Carry Me Away. Hey guys. Keep up the great work every episode I laughed my head off and I also learned something new. I would have thousand percent by Merch if you guys sold some also a couple nights ago I had a dream. You guys had neil on the podcast or shadowing. Well. Well, guys great news. This episode, we got Neil Young joining us for trans. No no, we don't for this this one's. Because I'd have to I'd have to be very. That would be such like twilight zone esque. Fantasy slash nightmare where he's like. Neal. Wants to be on the podcast with you guys would have only Schranz. And he he he does the whole interview with through. Volkova coder. Trying. To. All right. Guys are foolish. Really hard to talk with this thing might. Just spades draw. Some store watching Netflix also, we shouldn't have made I told you someone was going to scoop are scoop some shit up I looked up long may you young dot com and some? Well, my I don't know who it was. I don't know if I even want whoever it was. Nice. But I sent you guys. Have you seen recently have you seen it? No I just would at last. Look it up right now. Several pages to it. Whoever made it. Started with our buddy, Brian Right who he off he bought this though Oh, you mean he like. Fun because he looked up long may you young dot com and he said it was way too expensive. He just wanted like a ninety nine cent laugh. This is great. He added of Blizzard this disobey it's incredible. They added some. That's awesome. It's it's fucking. Here should I read a lot of this Person bought long you young dot com whoever is? Scares me we have no control over there. Get guys. Do. On our side right now. Hope. So yeah, who who we don't upset. Put in their posting links to our social media. Like, on this Oh. Yeah. Okay. Very. It is. Do you think it's like map Paulie I? Think it might be John, Lewis John Locke he's the youngster of year, but if it's Sarah Lynn could be Sarah Be Sarah. Whoever's doing is very funny and very okay. So did you see this? I sent you the screen shot, but I saw the screen. So it looks even better now it looks great some of it. Okay. So this is long young dot com. CROSBY's whalebone comb emporium. Oh my God stab nineteen sixty-nine right now there's a big picture fucking whale like surfacing the water and. It says future home of Crosby's whalebone comb emporium landing, and then in parentheses on water and brain disease soon. 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Yeah we mentioned and we we just had this whole going about David crosby definitely like. Gil Kills Wales to I don't. Know where an a whalebone combs, he makes he has a comb made out of a wheel home for his mustache waiting for someone to make the long may young pedia. So we can trace the source of all these jokes. But while we're talking about David Crosby. Hold on real quick. This is another thing from on the site. What do our customers say is one of the like it's like. You know frequently asked questions thing scraping one of Crosby's whalebone combs through your facial follicles feels like making love to your own face once I get going, it'll take all night and then it says the quote was by s stills. Well speaking David Crosby here. Eddie van Halen passed away. dwayne our. Last episode. So. Adam Morin sent this to me. He said not a huge fan but he said what a Dick and the sent this. Someone tweeted to David Crosby I. Know You're not into Metal David but what's your opinion on Eddie van Halen and he just wrote man yeah. That was like the day after he died. Russ you want one of these sure alt-right. Yeah. We'll make you the Guinea pig. Yeah you're going to. Test the Suntan lotion level of that knows no Malibu in there. That's basically A. Margarita made with pineapple juice. So then someone said someone named Tracy guns probably related to Russ. Oh. Tracy guns from La guns. Yeah and from Russia's guns. Yeah. That's the that's La guns cover. In Brussels. got. But. They said. They said Fuck this guy fucked this answer and most of all, fuck this guy I don't give a shit. What anyone says that's bullshit David and then dee snider re tweeted that instead agreed that said I've always hated David Crosby and his moustache and his Moustache Snyder man. What a fucking Douche and then he tried to backpacking by saying you know I forgot he had passed away. It was like the day after he died he came out with some tweets after kind of clarifying it and I'm not like a huge van Halen Fan. Like I don't I just don't know them. I never got into them I. Think they were like just right before my time maybe. But I mean guessing that we're doing a fucking Neil young podcast I know. But I think I just missed I missed the whole. I don't want to be crosby here and. The too soon to bash on Van Halen but I think one thing that would differentiate. Guys like that is Neil. Even. Though yeah. Obviously way before your time also he just. There there are two different things van Halen is one thing and neil is a trillion different things. Do. You know what I mean I. Don't think they. I understand there. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time that you. So if you're if you're not, well, you can't deny the impact Eddie van Halen. Just rock music, but on guitar playing and his talent for sure. I'm not he and yeah, he invented a style of well, he he kind of took like anybody he took from his favorite players, but he invented a style of playing that just influenced and changed. The way. Guitar was played. You can't deny that fact if someone tried to play his style back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty five, but it didn't didn't go over with the crowd at the enchantment under this I heard about that guy. With Marvin Berries outfit, they called I don't remember they were good they. Couldn't play after that accident with his hand just couldn't play the same. You know. But their kids are GONNA love it. Kids jackets are gonNA. Speaking of back to the future a little tie into the to the Album Trans God. There's a delorean on the cover there is a delorean. And the album cover has that whole. City country thing right he always. On. Announcers interesting. I don't WanNA point out the obvious but the only explanation for the fact that there's a delorean on the cover. I mean it's not because it was popular at the time in my opinion it's because neal is a time. Fire, he knew that this podcast was going to be. The biggest thing to hit the Internet he listened to it heard the jacket voice and want to make sure we tied it in. So he didn't. Completely, Bash this album although you boy seem to really want to suck this album's Dick hard. So I don't know I may want to edge it. I think the delorean sound the cover because he probably bought cocaine from John, delorean. Yeah. Probably that's probably the answer because I'll give you a plug on my new album cover I'll put one of your cars up there. Two lanes are pretty sweet though. Sure I'd love to have one. Yeah they're seamless. Aren't they seamless. I. Don't know what does that mean that means they're not like there's no panels like it's all one. I think. So really yeah. Sure but. We all have phones. Six different things pulled up. Anymore social media stuff. No, I was just looking at. All right. Well, whoever made the long? May you young website? Thank you and please don't hurt us. Yeah. That's all I. Ask there have been a few more developments on the. Since I posted the album cover fifteen minutes ago. Oh boy. I said posted the cover said describe with one sense. So someone else someone named Jimmy wrote transformer man. Transform transform in to. Never, mind I'm not. Start shitting on the song yet we get to it. Some Scott Park said on I listen you might hate it but give it a chance and you will love it. Okay and then he did a laugh react to Kent Smith's divorce come. And then road so hard. No but then he wrote Ken. Smith. Don't take my laugh Emoji as me not feeling bad about your parents divorce mind told me they were divorcing five days after my fifteenth birthday. It was just my first reaction based on your comment of Neil won't let me down. And really deep, that would be great. Oh, you should play the Sarah McLaughlin. And then there's one more Bruce Grossman says still better than landing on water and are you passionate? Disagree. I'm no I have to say it's it's. I for to be fair I haven't listened to argue passionate since it first came out which tell you how much I love that Al But It's way more interesting than landing on water is at least it's interesting. I'm not saying it's great. But at least. It's it makes you curious. In my opinion. Like why the fuck is he doing this? I I there's nothing interesting about it to me. I don't know I think I also really really loved reactor and I didn't think this would this is. Way Different than reactor I thought this was going to be just slightly more annoying than what he does on reactor. But it's to me it's. To me, they're like they're worlds apart these two records. I don't know that's just my opinion agree with you there because reactor was. Mostly Yeah. It's it was organic instruments was mostly just crazy horse. This is where. He stripped it all away. He took. He took all the all the organic instrumentation out of it or distorted so much to this and clavier that it was just a machine but did you guys listen to any craft work and all I knew that he was? By them for this if you can. Bring the man machine album and just play like. A minute into the first track and it's it'll just put it I'm not gonNA, make anything better but will just help you with where his head was at the time. And these guys were. Pioneers in this kind of music. They were extremely, you know in their presentation, they would actually play live. They went at live shows, but they would just stand there was Muslim multimedia show behind them. And they were very cold. There they were. They try to act like machines themselves. I don't hate this but it's because it's not Neil Young, right that's part of it, and that's the thing I had to get over and me a long time to get you think of it like you just think of eighty shit. What is this is actually seventy shit. Okay. Yeah. They were doing this stuff and mid Seventies. So. Neal was listening to a lot of that and they had an album that had just come out I. Think Right Before Trans called computer world. And computerworld. Almost. Sounded almost sounded like that to he really copied for afterward. Pro. Well, they made the computer world. What were there any computer cowboys in that world is giving you a thing. She needs you. There's a, there's a daughter with a guitar out that come in. In that guitar case before you do that, you're going to play something for us for you leave. Age last trip. That's also. But if she did. Freely like an INCA. You are liking. INCA. That's why didn't make that one because it didn't come out like that. Yeah that's why I didn't like that one. I can't even tastes have you guys drank your royal. Pineapples. Taste the booze in mind that's bad. News is years spent most gone. No Right. That's bad. It's more. It's delicious. Also a you're making them just add more booth I know right I should just you know mine is a really really Nice Blend Lick My. All right. Cool. You're not just saying that, right? No like you've done just saying you like computer age. Actually like it. Right. Computer Age I don't mind. Okay. Let's. Let's just hop into it. Get right into right into it. I just got to say though a lot of people on read it also want Merch we will major before the end of November, it'll be ready for the Christmas rush. Oh. Wow. Yeah. We just gotTa we gotta figure something out of course ornaments. Designs and we like them and use them. Then we'll get into minch. We should make Titi bird ornament for the. Storm even say Silver Bird. Hit than the NIPPLES light up. On top of the tree. City to be so great. So much more tweak make. There's so many ideas and Sarah Lind saying she was working with ceramics or something like that. I, don't know I. Don't think. So okay. Maybe I don't know probably hey, if she is. Little Lady Bird Ornament. With the Neil at Oh my God right and it's all glittery the sperms glittery. Yeah. Infested instead of a fedora. To Santa Hat. Yeah. Well, the nobody knows Neil just a sperm of the Santa Hat. That's Kinda creepy. Are we recording? Alcohol and Apparently. It does. All right. Let's Let's jump right into it. Shall We let's do it? BURP. I was just GonNa say that. The thing you really have to think about this album even more than reactors the the the whole thing with his. This album is even more so Yeah exploration into the experiment of trying to communicate with his son who is nonverbal. Yeah and that's basically what I think. Transformer man is all about. But, yeah, he He said in. The computer figure interview was the computer voices are people that work in a hospital and they're trying to help. Yeah. Read this a baby push a button. Yeah. It was something weird like it. Yeah and basically you know that's Kinda talking about the therapy he's going through and what he was trying to do with ban he was trying to work on a way where he can. Communicate with. He had. Like a computer setup and he wanted him to try to communicate with a tapping thing attached to his head. Yeah. He had. He had hooked up a train thing. He had worked with a couple guys from Lyonel, this is at the time where he really really started getting into the train thing where he built that whole separate building to have the train layout. Would hang out I was reading that in his in the. Book and then he wrote he hooked up a thing where Ben could control the train trains and that's Kinda what yeah. Yeah based on. It's like he made this thing and then he wanted to explore trying to communicate, and then he also said that it's hard to understand the computer voices on here you can't understand the lyrics and that's Just to read that guy go ahead. Yeah. That's what trans is all in. So this isn't a response to talking about finding ways to communicate with other people. That's what trans is all about, and that's why on that record no, I'm saying something but you can't understand what it is. Well, that's exactly the same feeling I was getting from my son. And he didn't want to like we talked about in the past couple episodes, hawks and doves and reactor didn't WanNa tell anybody about right right that was the first part of it was a basically no one knew right at that time. No one knew nobody. So all of a sudden you get this weird electronic age thing and you can't really understand it. How soon after reacted this come out. The next year was this came out like December of eighty two second I because the actor was ten, twenty, eight, eighty, one. And Trans was twelve, twenty, nine, eight, hundred so. About, over a year. Later. Yeah. So yeah enough time for to build anticipation just I. Don't know. I'm not in the thing. Here's the other thing say about this to the Ben Stuff makes me appreciate it more. The time that this came out I mean fucking eighty two the pretty appropriate for that and also neal's done to this point. His record is in my opinion pretty near flawless. So he can. He's allowed to do this. Well, this is just to me. It's just typical Neil it's fucking neil man and he He like I said, he he did every he pushed everything to the extreme that he could in the seventies and now he's got these new toys you know mixed with his interest in trains working in therapy with his son. Dealing with all that and so all of this is all new compared to what he was going in the seventies he was dealing with getting becoming a rockstar and dealing with extra pressure and wives and Lewis never going to be an honest. Right that's right. Oh. So this is a new way for him to pursue some kind of extreme in the last episode I talked about this David. Briggs said he liked using this Clavier, but with Neill, he went overboard like he always does. But I don't think he did in reactor. He did definitely did in this one the what's the the Poncho quote where he says? I have the to. Work work on Trans began in late nineteen eighty-one as a continuation continuation of reactor with the usual crazy horse lineup. But then young started playing with two new machines had acquired a sin clavier and a coder crazy horse guitarist poncho recalled. Next thing we knew Neil stripped all our music off overdubbed all this stuff, the Vo, coder weird sequencing and put the synth shit on it Yeah. Because some of the the songs, some of the songs are credited crazy horse's playing. But it doesn't. Look like anyone's he. It's hard to tell the difference between those songs and the songs. Neil does himself with the clavier and the synthesizers drum machines I think to me it wouldn't be. So there's nine songs right and six out of the nine. Are there just like nonstop? Vo Colder. Vocal in that annoys me more than. disenclave. Your I don't mind as much. In. In small doses, but the the voter is. Well. He he had a weird again he had this weird thing where it was like. I wanted to sound like somebody else explain he said an interviews after this he was trying to explain it. He was like I took I didn't want anyone to know the story about what was going through my with my son. But I laid the whole story out on Trans and it but it was like in that vote coder voice and yeah I WanNa do it in his own voice. He wanted to do it in his voice that no one could recognize or barely be able to tell the lyrics to. In and so it was like to understand what the story was and he said he was always kind of he took it personally that he laid it all out that whole story everything he bared his soul on trans but nobody got it. And was like because you put it through this filter that and also you know people expect that's the thing he didn't tell anybody fucking tell anyone right but. He didn't do that able said that this record sucked and then wait a minute and then all of a sudden he wanted to tell everybody does fuck. Yeah At the time, like was that Oh yeah, the seldom took a lot of shit. But again, what we were talking about before was were you were saying when you played craftwork. It's is it that or is it because it's not Neil Young? It's definitely a little because it's Neil Young, right? I'm saying because when I was listening to this album I was like if you didn't know that this was Neil Young. Some of these songs are are like your like your devaux or whatever. Else at the time they they're danceable. Some of those songs were danceable their robotron ICK. That's what was popular at the time. That's what was fucking going on in culture and I think in a lot of ways if you were into at that time, this has all of that Shit and you know it's not that bad in like. Exactly. Like if you lights not more to me somebody better than devaux songs in my opinion, I enjoyed some of these songs more than I've listened to a Lotta devo albums when we interviewed Martha and this and this album in particular, and I even tried to think like, okay imagine this isn't Neil young and imagine it's along the same lines as Devo and other shit that came out at that time. This sounds like it would be that in that culture and I would I could move to this I can dance to some of these songs I can enjoy what he's doing. He actually did have twelve inch mixes. Time he had people remix make dance mixes twelve inches of Neil Young as twelve full inches. Can you please make video called how to enjoy the album trans by Neil young just show five different ways to enjoy it. So you can do the floss to this elm. The new modern dance you could do that made famous by that back. Index Kid on Katy. Perry's performance five years ago. He's the new thing is the new thing and Utah? I'm. Really you can talk to John Williams. Oh. Sorry. Let Softbank. Well, he said he said an interview he did in France. That he probably should have just released a trans ep of just the computer stuff. Yes, and you know what I think that would've worked a lot by almost would have liked that better. 'cause. He tricks you with that first song and it's not even a good song and that's a weird thing. It's. It's weird how he's he's explained that over the years. And it's just you shall we jump right into it? Let's do it. Let's get right into it. Concern. Nov.. God. This is such a Hippie dippy. Friggin groovy almost to me almost a parody tune of. Like hippy culture. You know it sounds like an old doctor hook tune. Yes. But not as good it it. To me, it's like the like Shittier. Light Beer version of I. Work. Bang on. Day thanks pretty light beer itself. It's the light beer version of that song. Wow, like Mick ultra. Yes, whoo. Bad Beer. Actually it is terrible. The light beer of Beers. Light, beer of light beers they're cheap cheapest book. They'll tell you that I mean it's. Out there it's a, it's it's it's got a good groove. And you know our man Ben Keith is kicking ass on that slide guitar on their man. Yeah. There's some Nice bongos in that tune Joe La. La Yeah Yeah. But Oh, la La but it's it's like I don't know. When I first heard this kind of cool and then after a while, you're just kind of like this is a little annoying. It's Kinda Hokey. He hokies a perfect word for it like he's doing it on purpose. He loves SINGING ABOUT SHUFFLING FEET to. The socks about someone. Probably Neil walks watching videos. He's always kind of just over the the the I mean the playing is great. Yeah. Well, this is that royal pineapple. Band. On the island right son thing. So he wanted to take all those guys to Hawaii make this album about I think is what he said was about the ocean and ancient civilization. Yeah. Beaches and sailing and you know see life and I'm thinking that's exactly what the fuck instills. Young Ban Shit was all about. So thank you, David, Geffen for shutting that down. And and he called the band the Royal Pine Apples well. I wonder if I would have appreciated that one more than this. I don't know what if he did a The Royal Pine Apples EP in a trans EP. Even if he did one side. One side of each. Yeah. Because, that would have gone with the album cover a little more accepted pine pine trees it should have been palm trees. On the on the cover instead of hawks and doves, it could be robots and pineapples. There's drink in there somewhere. It's always a drink in their. Let me read this because I forgot also now it's There's a few more comments on the. On the album cover Jeremy Huber this album is both Undergrad. Yeah, this album is both underrated but bad at the same time. That's a decent way to put it. I don't know. It's not great. It's not underrated to me agree with what rush said in the sense that he does a really good job at trying to do that style of music I think he I think view these tunes man he fucking nails it. Yeah. Yeah. He kneels totally Nielsen you don't say nails. Heels. We're not. We're not talking about him this whole episode one episode none he's he's he's. Already. I didn't I said he I know we're okay continue. I wanted to read this John Lockwood brought to do it earlier Lucas. With John. Lewis he gives us the law he gives us ten. John Locke. podcast called lock me you young. is where me and John Locke. Over these episodes John. But he says what an awesome episode. Thank you John First off. Did you say you guys go over the episodes of this podcast? We're GONNA start with. Just rate it. That's funny. It's very Meta you guys wouldn't get. Bang Bang do that I probably. What an awesome episode first off the Anti Youngster for. The anti youngster from itunes must have been going nuts during the first thirty minutes of this episode although he probably didn't listen at all I pictured that person sitting down with a T. Bone and tater screaming at you again it. Secondly. This is one heck of a record. I bought it around fifteen years ago. He's talking about reactor and quickly dismissed But in preparation for this episode I started listening to it this month and I gotta say it's crazy how your taste in music can change without you realizing it southern Pacific is probably my top choice but I do have a lot of love for T. Bone. But this was what I was gonNA say or the part that I wanted to read. Lastly, I cannot wait for trans such an amazing record and I'm hoping that at least one of you have had the pleasure of watching the Berlin DVD. Is that is that the concert film I don't know if that's the one that HBO. The one that when the album came out. What I'm reading here is after a year of work, the album meaning trans was mixed in a hurry because young was eager to go out on tour documented in the home video. Neil young in Berlin I would assume that's what and torreon songs from Trans. You think he was it was it was the one of the most also he's ever been on actually because he lost. He lost almost a million dollars. Jesus because he had a huge stage setup that was like a wizard of Oz theme, he had a big awesome catwalk that went out into the middle of the crowd and then back walk you have to add all the computer stuff. The crew was bitching about all the computers that they had to use for this stuff which in. Nineteen. eighty-two were probably I know like house to the other twice as many trucks and he was playing all the trans stuff before the album came out. So nobody again. Everything in he's in Europe playing the stuff that people have no idea they're probably going to. Tank. Exactly. It's like that guy except he's saying the night or something you know and it's and he starts playing like computer age and imagine how those people reacted. What the fuck is this and they're probably like craft works doing that for years fuck you well after he after lock said that he said checkout sample and hold on the archives for video of the song from that DVD. and. Then he posted to links the Acoustic version shots which we played, but he apparently, there's also an acoustic version of southern Pacific that Neil plays on. Banjo. That'd be cool. I'd like to hear that. Yeah I want to hear that. Can You? Hold on. We'll do it toward the end I also re. going. Oh I also read that portions of several tracks appeared in human highway. Yeah and that version of Mr Souls Human Highway is it? Yes. Playing on the radio in the fucking Limo. So yeah. Version right may that's where I I I started to think maybe if a different bandit like Electronica band covered Mr Soul, I would appreciate it way more than I. Do this because I don't like this version at all because I. I like his sonic youth covered fucking covered computer age with rage I got oh. Yeah. That I struggle ridge benefit album. That's the one that has that soul bar say. Yeah. There's a lot of good stuff on there. Anything else about well. Yeah. So that's like. You know these these guys they make a whole album of that stuff. And David Geffen says, no, I think he can do better. He had already started working on all this computer stuff and so he said, all right well, fuck it I'll just go back to this stuff. And he went and he had all like during the reactor sessions recorded some of this stuff. and. So he already had a lot of this stuff ready to go but opening the this album with this song what kind of a mind fuck is Seriously yeah. You know it's like it's like I'm just going to put the head in and then all of a sudden you like, whoa. You know and and so it's like what what was he trying to say here at first I was like okay. So he starts if you listen to this on like a CD or on spotify, the album starts with that and then ends with like an Inca. and. So you got these two Kinda groovy. HIPPYISH Kinda tunes in there like a INCA has the psychedelic imagery to it and stuff like that. So I'm thinking. Okay. So he starts with this organic tune and then in between this is what's going through his head, but then he ends it with that and it's like, okay. Well, I'm back to being the Neil young you know but in between this is what's going on in my life. Then I, read an interview with him saying well, could've put out just the electronic stuff on a trans ep but I felt like I kind of wanted to hide the electronic stuff. So I would I put this song on that you know. And I put fucking man well think about how fucking ridiculous that is wide that you can't. So okay. So when this came out, you're still listening to vinyl, right? So you put the needle goes through the whole song and then the other stuff starts up. So what what are you just going to be like? Oh, well, what about table have been outright? Yeah. Yeah Cassettes. Albums were still selling at this. So what are cassette are you're not hiding anything now? That's. Ridiculous fucking state. It almost makes it almost makes you feel a little bit of the whole Geffen thing of him suing him of doing 'cause it's kind of like you start this album off with the song we just played, and then you go into computer age and then you have six songs of. You know straight owners. So I can imagine being David Geffen being whoever geffen in just being like is he fucking with us, right? Yeah. You know what I mean Y-. Then he has that thing where he likes to book and stuff but. At the same never slee at. It was. So that's where I'm also on Neil side where it's like, you can't tell someone they're not them enough. He gets to do whatever the fuck you want. And signed him on knowing. He's fucking meal I mean obviously, you didn't listen to anything he didn't. See that pendulum swing from fucking on the beach to even time fades away. But this. is a hard aggressive swing. Like this is his most, but again, a great. because. To him, you gotta think Man Neil is just one of these dudes who whatever's going on with him. Personally that's what you're going to get. A. So, but the problem is he doesn't know how to communicate outside of music. Really so like when you see interviews with, it's like or the things he says are all contradictory a Lotta Times because he doesn't fucking. He should've just said here's what my son and I are going through. This is what this is about as he doesn't do that send you through this, Brigand Lebron and try to figure out the story of what's all right and you can't. There's no way you can't any expects you to right right and no wonder he had fucking three wives. Jesus I'm just saying this is what we love you neil come on. This is a while of course I love Neil and I appreciate it I appreciate this album a lot more knowing the stuff that he was dealing with with Ben. How trying to like. Like at the sign and nobody knew that right right exactly and that's a tough thing. But I mean who we're there's no way we can understand what he was going well at and what you would do in that situation. No not at all he did want to release a video album a video for each one of these songs explaining the story. David Geffen shot it down and he said look and. I'll pay for half on Geffen and then Geffen said, no, we're not going to give you have all of a sudden have. Feeling Neal's never given anyone creative control like that. When he started as a solo that was his big thing, you know what? I mean like Briggs was as producer but other than that. There was no, it was his shit, right? In why at this point is Geffen like now I don't like the islands in the Sun Al like. Any why does he has many say even a million dollars. He's getting a million dollars an hour at that time only. Like three or four people were getting that and they were all on Geffen Geffen did that for Elton John and stevie wonder Elton John's album at this time. Oh God was. Still standing on it, I don't know. L.. Man. Then hold. Yes so What all those albums from all those artists at that time flopped. And so Geffen was probably all of a sudden like fuck I just gave you a million dollars make an album that's going sell But yeah. It's kind of fucked up David Geffen, told him and and and Elliot. Roberts that look. We'll give you full creative control and then once he did that he went back on that like. said that Young's contract guaranteed in one million per album as well as total creative control over now. But yeah right and guess Oh then has no legal. Yeah which I mean that that shit got shut down. Because They Neil Neil countersued and then the whole thing Neil. Geffen apologized right but. Don't given work with crosby stills. Nash. And young that's how the relationship started and he was supposedly big. Neil. Young Fan find out in. Yeah. It's an album I've never heard of called jump up in. It looks like his version of Trans Yeah. That's the one that has I'm still standing on her. Everybody dear John He's got a song called I. Am Your Robot Oh boy. That's a whole theme now, right? Maybe that's eight hundred to be. Man Everyone I'm telling you the. World series the eighties where this weird like everybody was like it's the modern times space age at the same time they wanted to go back to like this Retro Fifties Eisenhower thing that's like I can't believe. It that's why. It is probably such a huge. It's a diner diner sand. Yeah. Remember when that like fifties diner but it's all. Oh, empty gardens on here. That was that was a big hit that was about John Lennon getting killed Elton's best stuff was in the seventies to Honky Chateau. Versus. John Elms I. Agree. Fantastic. Gaps. So yeah so it's like. At the Geffen deal. So this is the start of all that like Evans Okay but Kevin should've known. Ours. Getting new fucking Neil men Hashtag he wouldn't understand them. You know I think he's just panicked because he doled out all this money experiencing these guys to. Pull through. Or a goodbye yellow brick road or a music. C. Wonders was there the music of my mind. Oh, you're talking about Elton stuff. Sorry but yeah but same thing should know with Neil to right right well, that's it. Yeah. But I think giving the artist. Did we talk about the David Lynch thing on the on the podcast or did we talk about it? He's come up before. Well, we talked about twin peaks, the TV show versus the showtime continuation yes I think we did and how much better I don't know if we talked about the pockets but how much I thought the TV show was better than the showtime stuff and the showtime stuff was visually amazing and everything, but it was bad because he didn't have someone editing him. He didn't have the the constraints you have to fit this all into twenty two minutes. Or whatever however long episode was and so when you give artists complete fucking control, you can't expect them to be as commercial as say when you hire Danny fucking coach Marta produce him or sometimes Elliot Mazer you know yeah sometimes but sometimes that works out I'm bad I. Mean I I was not a twin peaks guy at all. Well, I'm just saying that's just kind of an example I. Let a Guy Go if you let an artist, go fuck and run wild. McNeil not everything's GonNa be flam seller like kissing. But at the same time. Who predicts someone producing time I think you need both I think you need. To that's what an artist is and sometimes you need to have someone being like. And that way you get, you get your harvests and after the gold rushes and stuff but. Other Times you get a trans and. All of those things are Neil young and this was pre. It says produced by David Briggs David Briggs was was David Briggs love this stuff and he loved that neal was doing it because one at that time nobody else was doing anything like this. There is no artist from that era from the late sixties seventies that was trying anything new that and he said that people should have given neil more credit for this because he wasn't stagnant, right? You know. He was doing something completely different that was, and that's what sets him apart from anyone else and that's why you know that's sort of the comparison I making Van Halen was van Halen is what he is. But Neal is just this whole other. How can right you know what? I mean your you're possible halen would be like. Four episodes of just like yeah he played the guitar really good well. Some people off there's You. Know there's a lot. There is a lot when you compare their niles, they're not as extreme as Neil. That's what I'm saying right like. Being I'm not being disrespectful. The most extreme chronic men halen got like this would probably be nineteen eighty-four with early Eddie discovered the fucking keyboards. You know and then he did I'll wait and all that shit and then went into fifty one fifty I'm like Hagar. Or Roth Roth or Sharon well. Gary GotTa Gary was dealt a bad hand. That's all I'll say I love David. Lee Roth. I like the Hagar stuff too. But daily Rog gotta be honest I just I I hate most eighties music I really don't like it you like this you like trump no I didn't say I liked it. I I just don't hate it. But I don't like a lot of eighties music but I think I got a lot of that from dad it's. Just. Never got I just year were did you were a young Mullet d like? You know like those first couple Uncle Tupelo albums. Yeah. I don't think those were eighties. Yeah. They were you like anything from dinosaur junior that's late eighties late eighties is different. That's mid to mid to late eighties replacements you're talking earlier and There's a lot and. Have An to answer your question no I don't have a connection with that but that's a later in my life. Talking about stuff that was played on the radio I don't like I. Don't like there are still a lot of great. But again, I'm fucking twenty nine. Like I grew up with like ninety stuff, right? and. There's a lot of shit in the nineties. One hundred percents a lot of shit in the sixties and seventies to no. Vocal bands you the best they're the best. Cable just listening. But listened the best in my opinion. The Best Decade of music was sixty five to seventy, five in argue. Okay. But there was still a ton of shitty stuff. I'm not saying there wasn't I'm not saying there wasn't. In the mainstream in the mainstream you had you had fucking. You had neil young. You had bill withers. You had really good shit going on. Yeah. The Beatles you had stones. You had all kinds of stuff Zeppelin. Amazing. Fucking Shit. That was the mainstream culture man. You had van Morrison. There was so much to choose from news fucking everything getting very defensive because moving pictures came out in Nineteen eighty-one it certainly did that's a fucking great album telling you. Certain. Also the mainstream. was just. I always think of a fucking ski resort shitty movie right? You know and there were a couple of those hot dog was actually end. It's cocaine. Bullshit Oh. Yeah. There's no cocaine in the case your narrowing it that there's no cocaine in the seventies. Saying? Yeah, of course. Yes. Absolutely. But the music was sumo's me. Right, and there was a lot of great music made in the eighties to. Just, there's GotTa you gotTa dig in. In the thing is like people when people say. A decade everyone has their own mental thing. But like with you say nineties, you think of like big head todd and bands like that. But. Everyone forgets like a lot of Wilko's best albums came out in the nineties. Doing who they were right? You know what I mean. So it's just like I didn't know who Wilco was in the ninth being there came out in the nineties. Yeah and that's like one of their best albums to the stairs with misunderstood. Yeah that's a great fucking now. You gotTa Dig and there's and there's so you can't just say what was played on the radio go by what was played on the I guess I'm just I guess what I'm saying. and. Maybe you're right. Maybe some of its Stockholm Syndrome but I just think when you think about the mainstream of what was going on in the start of the eighties. I, Think Neil has some songs on here that actually fucking he hit it right on the head like He. He did a good job with with what he did as far as tapping into the what was the energy in the vibe of the time but it actually wasn't craftwork was still very much an underground band had a cult following. So then there you go. Neil inspired the fucking eighties to. Kneel created there's more like craft work in inspired. This podcast is. We're just keep realizing meals at the time. A lot of any influences. Eh, everything in society other. Trans Than Berry Goldberg's going to win. Gold was at Barry Goldman No. Back to the future Oh. Stupid I am isn't a wrestler is the guy who ran against Reagan. Jimmy Carter Mondale Mondale. Can we Carter was like Barry. Goldwater. That's. Very, Goldberg, on the TV show. TV actually it's a, it's a, it's a crossover between the show Berry and the Goldberg. That would be amazed where Bill Hader just kills everyone and. Various other Goldberg and Patton oswalt narrates it. That would be awesome. Jeez I'm an idiot. So but everyone knows that at this point I'm going to read this. So I'm just if you know this at this point in the episode, I posted the album cover just in real reading the comments that come in on Trans. Andrei Linde says this had been a great album if all songs had been with the voter and craftwork ask, right that's what neal was saying maybe he should have put it on just the what I think it would have been a better I agree. But. For some reason, he was trying to hide that stuff. Yeah. It's either one or the other either make a what did he say Trans EP Trans Right or make an island in the sunny and put you know the first track underway woodcut joined it. And whatever else said about you know jellyfish fucking long longer you run to and frozen bananas we should. We should move into some of these I'm sorry we haven't even gotten into the computer stuff here. We go. Oh, this is the time on sprocket where we dots. I'm Mike True and I'm here to tell you. I. Want you to pet my monkey. Pettit. Look at all of us though look at all of us. You cannot deny the be cramps. For masters of the for the eighty s kneeled hit it. He got these beads. Speeds from Paris work fine. Yeah. I don't like voice on this one. Part. is well because it's the real vote. also mills. Works voter a little bit too and the Sinclair on that European tour they didn't even have guitars. Genius they would just walk around with those head Mike and they would just sing guitars. All those that. We should had nose back on for this one. Now. What we're thinking about having him back on four was the no another one said we'll have you back on for trends I thought. Was Maybe Illinois's another one. Though. It wasn't. Head over to East street at that point. So out. please. GO BACK TO JERSEY. Josie. Know this song. was very jarring to me when I heard but I thought. Well, okay. Shouldn't extreme after that I saw. Yeah. That's the total like mine faulk. You're like, Oh this thing called love. Yeah. Let's wear some fucking chewy and then it's like all of a sudden you get your black turtleneck on in your leg. Oh, this shares engineered poorly by among comfortable flecked real neck bats. Great. You know it's it's such an extreme swing just on this album, which we should be used to buy your now you're in the Roxbury but the sweet exactly. That's exactly what it is your heads bobbing this exactly. But this we never been. Have never been this extreme well, opinion they knew they. Just. Not with this genre of music. Yeah. Really. Though like even his like where he buys. Swing do not even close to this level though but what Mike saying is it's just a different genres just as different there been swings words it's like Walk and swing. What was really saw what was the song before a man made? Right I don't know but that's not what you want from the. What was that anyway you want. So that was a huge swing. You went from that to this like this Nashville thing to this orchestral gigantic blown thing. But you know those were like t-ball little league swings swing to this was the swing at the end of signs the swing away Meryl. I can't believe you'd like that moving harvest. Was You. See so you have harvest and then you go into this giant orchestral thing and it's like that's an extreme swing to also John's is awesome. Sounds like the best movies ever signs a piece of signs you're grading. ARGUMENT FOR WHY isn't that? Good? Yeah it's just poorly. It doesn't flow off. Vote. It's. Actually really good writing. Now you're just I was really I was really bored because you're an shit. Oh All right. Black, lives may matter, but you hate old people. So what? fucking ruin this country. You're not even old. He's a boomer also neil seventy four. So you've got to be careful with that one but neil actually fucking. Up, for important thing if. She'll socially justice you said he just. Socially aware of things that are going on and he fights for Justice and equality. With his platform. Yeah. But you said nobody from the eighties does the use an old people are ruining this country? Nobody from the eighties does up. A little brick with your book and American but he's good shirt. Whatever makes an because he doesn't like science, which is, why did you buy that sweatshirt cuffy's? Go. Looks like it got it at A. What do you call it? A plea actually used to work at ocean state job lot. Nice so American trout was like two bucks. American trout. Yeah. Computer. Age. I don't know what you want to say about it's it's a great imitation of craft work. He nails graft work in the next one emails Devaux but I like the lyrics of computer edge lot of these songs. If you look at the lyrics, it's like He. Is I like how he's he's embracing. Pretty cool. I like always embracing technology standing before the signal he's waiting across the street and he's he's puts his trust in the signal knowing that the machines will look out for him when it's clear for him to walk and not get killed. You know it's it's it's kind of embracing. It starts off with computer age embracing the technology cohabitating with the machines. And I'm not saying it's Great Luke I'm just I'm just trying to understand I'll be with you. I'll be with you up to this point. Okay. So can I let me just quickly describe a scenario that happened to me this weekend and then just bear with me because I'm GonNa make it make sense on Sunday we went. My me and my family went to a corn maze. We originally were going to go apple picking up in Mason new. Hampshire because we're fucking yuppies. Thank the Lord they were sold out of apples because if there's one thing I didn't WanNa do sold out of Apple. Orchard Orchard yet and I didn't WANNA go appleton one, apple hate none available. They had bags of them, pick your own them apples. Anyway. So but there was corn maize there. So my wife's let's go in the corn maize right before we enter the corn maize. I got the telltale rumble and Swish in the bottom of my belly. meaning. I might have to Shit in the Korn Bat no right. Before we went in then it went away and ignored it. So we went into the corn maize. We go around to coins around another corner. I got I'm chasing a three year old and a seven year old Alejandro. The rumble again. K. I get a little a little bit more intense k. goes away I'm now I'm starting to feel sweat a little bit. then. Even sooner the it's like contractions they get smaller and smaller. I get it again and now I have the standstill I have to stand still have to press my legs together Oh. Yeah and Do The S. I. Don't know what but there's. Something I ask. Eight or whatever, but my body said to me. The my body said to me, I'm. GonNa Shit in five minutes. It doesn't matter where you are but shits coming out in five minutes while in the panic that said in. An I-. I- stupid me I'm like, I. said I gotTa go I said I got a gotTa Take Shit, and so I start following the maze because I'm getting lost I'm getting angry. There's no fear like realizing you're GonNa Shit your pants and corn mazes right? I agree and still eventually, I just burst straight through the corn because I realized why am I following the path just go out through the corn should just going into the corn. Anyway. I. Went Out and then this this part is not relevant but I found the porta-pottys, of course, right near where everyone's eating fucking candy apples and shit why would they do that I don't know but I took a very loud shit I interrupted conversations allowed my shit. Get some people talk about anyway. was what I'm trying to say is at this point in the album I'm laying. Oh. Shitting your pets jarring. But then when it goes right from. Computer Age. Into what is it? We are in control next. Yeah. That's one a little bit of panic sets in for me on this because I'm like I think this whole album is this and also because you realize you are not in control your fucking bowels and Control Davies right you're not really in control. Telling you is it fucking scarred me against. Corn Mazes. Worse than signed scarred chew against. If signs that scarred me, that'd be a good movie. Poltergeist scarred me signs didn't. But what I'm saying I'm going to get ages again. If you watch that movie when you are the right age, you'd love it I saw it when it first came out. How old were you? When was that? That was early two thousands. Yeah. So you're like in your fucking forties now my thirties. Still didn't like it just walking with okay. He's just being a Dick I do like signs though I like signs a lot are really yeah. We'll have fun with that. Those two I do listen I'm just saying those two and then transformer man was when the real panic Sidon and then computer cowboy was the actual shit that I took. You know what? Strangely I understand exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Then you weren't able to hold onto your love. Now that loves just poured out of YOU. Like. A Faucet. Look like a super soaker. power-washing and then he took a sample. And sample and hold hold. Can't hold I wash my hands like sinker. I skipped over Mr Soul de joke on purpose. All right anyway what the hell are we on? We are in control. K.. Loves. Beginning. See that Stevo it is very much Steve Oh. Yeah. That'd be my favorite Luke. Started over again and crank it up just a little bit. Okay. Let's crank it up a little bit ready. All right ready. Thank God. You're here Gi Joe Cobra has been caused chaos across the planet. Man So it's like a GI, Joe and cartoons on. It really does man. Bows like that's perfect. But I. Like you know what? I liked the song? I don't like that it's a Neil young son. There's that thing again where if this wasn't. Telling you but this song if this was done by Devo you, you'd be you. This is great yet, but I I do like it I like the message in it. It's very true and in back in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two. This is this is this is this is the the fucking triumph time traveling vampire part Neil. Yeah. Because all of the suffering that song is coming true. It. Now to like. Essentially, a fucking social media Al Gore's Lou like, but it's just not in this weird. Dorky. Way like so this is the is line Sorry. Song to of this precious metal precious metal lies right in the computer age he talks about precious metal. Lies. No yeah, I know what you're talking. He's what does it say it's I love that line to hold on I'll find it here Press metal lines molded into highway and then running through me. So microscopically, he's describing a circuit right but then in this song he says precious metal lies. In sorry and we and we are in control. Do you see that? So it's a play then it's a player and then I think he brings that back in another song he might. Yeah he do it at the Computer Cowboy Amen I think it's in that one. That one see that was all about Ben for sure computer cowboy has to be I disagree. Well Okay we talk about like let's stay on. We are in control because I thought he was saying CICI TV. Yeah. What's CT it's? It says amical computer thinking battery Yeah Okay. So that's the end of the song that he keeps repeating. That's a that's a ben thing. Really. Yeah. Because he he talked about this out. Ben Is Kit every time you say Ben I'm sorry your eight Ben Ben. Ben Youngest. became because he said this album is is a wrote it down somewhere he's saying that this is where chemistry and electronics come together. And that's what he was trying to do with. Bet Ya like the chemistry and your brain going on right and then with technology helping Ben, put that chemistry together. So he can communicate. And so I think that's a reference to what he was trying to do to help Ben Communicate. I also thought he was saying CICI TV because because that would make more sense it would make a lot of sense like we're watching you. We're watching over you we're keeping you say for providing you entertainments we're being the the law enforcement for you. You know he's mentioning all those things in. To me this this album but this song in particular. Everyone read Nineteen eighty-four in high school, Right. So but it must have been interesting to come upon that year to be coming upon that year with all this shit crying out there is probably a like this I can relate to the Y2k thing like the heart dad was pretty wild about. And then there was the twenty twelve shit shit too right now there's always a thing, right? That was no one news is actually twenty kids. They were just off by a few years a little bit in the ballpark. It pretty good. Yeah. It was the end of the mind was the Mayan calendar right and then they had that really bad John cusack movie. I thought it was all right. It was which was then twenty twelve was called really woody Harrelson Plato Wacky Radio Guy Ooh. Big Stretch. wacky Woody Harrelson. Scary. That one. Anyway where Carlson, in true detective. I mean, that's I mean it's no signs but. Are. You fucking kidding me but I am getting a detective season you. That was. That was kind of a high budget cop show I do like they skipped it I didn't finish it season two. Yeah. It was hard to Finn. Every time you. Couldn't get through an episode they'll just fucking. Season three though Oh. Yes I didn't. I didn't even finish these three two episodes. It's it's it's all seasons. Rival season one and that was tough to follow because he get jumping back and forth. All right. This is. Neil. Young Neil young yeah, million million. Yeah. Any this. Is Fine. I. Like not fine I like the theme of the Saga. I liked the tune. It's just tough like we're we've been saying it wasn't on right. You. Just really if if it was craft work or Yvo this song orchestral maneuvers in the dark or whoever the electronic bands were at the time. Yeah. You know it would be like, okay. This makes sense and I think that's part of why I'm not saying this is why you don't like it Luke but I'm just saying that's probably part of why a lot of people won't accept this because it is the fact that it's Neil. Young. Yeah. But Neil Young is actually doing this style very well, and also this style just does not do anything for me right so if you don't like electronic music, then there's i. mean of course, you're not GonNa like trans. If you don't like country music, you're not gonna like old ways but I'm not a huge country fan but I like a lot of the country stuff he's dipped into the country more than you like electronic. Music and town meeting place. There's some country in there, right? Yeah. There's a little bit mixed in here in their country and folk so you're partial to. So that's why like and I've been I've been like over the top about how negative am on this album but at the same time I do it's Neal's fucking right to do anything he fucking once and he does, yeah, that's why we love them. Well, that's why we're doing this and that's the thing I was saying Lucas that we grew up with no. We didn't have A. Dad Hates electronic music hates it like there was none of anything like this in our household at all growing up we didn't have any thing. Any of those electronic bands like dad is fucking hates the eighties as far as music goes movies though. He likes, eighties, movies, terminators, a great book, and movie. And Breakfast Club goonies goonies, Tony's. Actually there's a lotta holes and goonies, but it's still enjoy a boss still fun podcasts about all the holes in goonies. Called Gooney Hall Holes. Also a good movie holes. Great Moses a good very good movie. Yeah. Right signs not that good. Really Great. Really really good village was way better really diligent I also enjoyed the villa lake village. Signs. Is Honesty genuinely curious how you feel why you don't? What about what ruined it? For you? I found it to be boring and unorganized and I thought the writing was week. But the whole I thought the. Flowed but if we think of it as. An allegory for faith. Is it was beautiful? It was I thought it was very strong movie and they wasn't in your face about shit though to me, it was better than the success. I'll even say it was better than the happening his. Best movie to. Mark. Now you're just talking bullshit I know. Maybe, we were talking about this the main roster talking about this, the other day we my whole family went to see like my mom and dad me. Russell, are our brothers and sisters went to see the happening when it came out and it started off. Everyone's so excited because his track record has been great up to this point and I mean a few people didn't like the village when it came out lady in the water and but. Then like this one everyone's like member because remember the trailers were so mysterious and so we're watching they were good good trailers scraped free is everyone frozen in central park, and then it got so bad and so bad that the scene is still one of my favorite things about being in the theater like it was just got quiet in the air got weird and then that one of the that last scene where Mark Wahlberg and Zoe dish Literally. Running from the wind. The. Shows, running from the wind and you could just silence theater and some guy just. Wait what? Everyone laughed the theater and like he was just. It was just ridiculous. Yeah. All right save it for the. Yeah I the only here's the thing I like. About Trans has an album, it's the album that probably sparked this podcast. What you think. So because of what I said about yeah I because when we were saying you love you love some shit you hate some share, right? Yeah, and that's My can you imagine? Stuff we love love so much that will will will throw everything we have into something. We'll try to find reason why be good he'll break our hearts, but then we'll go back to them. Because we know he he is. He still has greatness. Yeah. But. I I I like this tune I think it's done well. But then again, it's Neil Young. So you get confused that's that's just my opinion. Let's see. Transformer man. Four and four. Say a good thing about this idea. It's a sweet song about his son. This is a really beautiful song. Seriously really. Yeah I. Guess I've never listened to the. 'cause I can't understand a fucking thing done right while he explains that later you know if you would explain to before the came out to have been different but. The. One thing I do like is the. I think that if I didn't know the back story of this album. Than I wouldn't say that. Yeah. But cable I don't. Knowing that he had that hookup for Ben to run the train. Yeah. That's what it and like every morning I wake up a nice electricity I look in your eyes. It's just a sweet sweet song and he he manages to manipulate the electronics. The way he wants to I think the only song he really. The only thing that everything he wanted to do with this technology really comes together on the some surprise. You don't like this view like tears from heaven. Great now. I. Tears from Heaven Yeah no wait. Yeah. You in previous episode talked about how you like tears from heaven by Eric Lab. That fucking sucks and really. It's still. It's hard to say it sought. So how can you not like this one? This one is is. Very. Sweet second understand everything that Eric. Clapton saying, true that's true. I. Didn't know this kid and now I have guilt like any seven beginning of the episode story. About you know this is like his son trying to communicate or people talking to his son, and this may be what is. The lyrics, it's not you guys know this because you know the background transformer man transformer man, you run the show remote control direct the action with the push of a button. You're a transformer man power in your hand transformer man transformer man sooner or later you'll have to see learn I'm GonNa, start crying by the end of this now that I see the context. Saying. That like Luke's bows. Out Then I'm like sooner or later you'll have to see learned the cause and effect. So many things still. To do. We haven't made it yet every morning when I look in your eyes I feel electrified by. All right. This is a good fucking song you. Know that didn't know that. Yes. You didn't know that and you read those lyrics. You've like Oh this is like some corny bullshit or whatever. Yeah. But knowing that I. US, throw off the chains that hold you down. You guys want me over. That's something I wanted to bring up. This song is became my top songs on this album I wanted to talk about that. Lau. He says, unlocked the secrets. Yeah. Let us throw off the chains that hold you down. Remember, we talked on the last episode that Elliot Roberts and a lot of people said that Neil would talk to Ben tell him deepest darkest secrets and everything. Unlocked the secrets. So he it's Kinda like now when I was thing is like he wants to do that because it's like a confessional thing. Yes don't worry. We'll tell them. But maybe. Hoping that one day. He. He's like. A goal I'm going to tell Ben, these things and then hopefully one day he can tell the world these things. You know. Whether. They're bad or good for me one day he's going to be able to tell. My story from what I was saying to him and so that was his goal and trying to come up with some kind of technology where he could communicate. He wants to unlock those secrets. It's and that's that's like the theme of this whole album. It's like, Oh, I laid my soul out and told my story about my son on this album will neal was kind of hard to understand because we didn't know what was going on and you did it with such distorted voices. We couldn't tell what the lyrics were and we didn't know what you thought. You were just fucking around with a genre of music. It's typical neal he's not making it easy to get the message. And so that's what I see in this like unlocked the secrets well, I'm going to tell you my deepest darkest secrets, but only my son knows those not even no one knows the backstory. No, one can. That's the problem it's like me being like. Hey Mike can just tell you about this car accident. I had where I lost a loved one hold on. Let me tell you a story right now. So. How was? Like. Truly. Saddens. was. That is so close to what fucking people talking sounds like when you're on acid. We should say we're all on acid right now. We should have mentioned that at the beginning I think. Guys, I have to tell you I found who killed Kennedy, and according to the F. B.. I. Reports. and. I can't believe it. I'm so ashamed of being American. This conversation. Guy's a I meant to tell you. I got in touch with some of Neil's people. Yeah. Yeah and because through the archives they have that like you can no yeah send you a message and stuff. So I wanna read we got a response from Neal. So yeah. I just wanted it for. Your. Own. Isn't that fucking? That's huge news. That was I didn't understand what you said those eight again I didn't understand you. Didn't think his fingers were that long Yeah Wow ooh that part where he was like. Take. Me here anymore. Own. Now, you just have fun with. The voice effect microphone. Yeah. But now that you guys said when I read the lyrics in knowing what I know. But it's literally really did start to hit me in the heart but I didn't know any of those lyrics and nobody did when this album came out, nobody knew this story and so no wonder it took it took a lot of shit and neal was like I took it really personally when people were crapping on this album, it's like well, you gotta you gotTa tell piece sometimes you know and I know like you guys are songwriters. So when you write a song, you don't want to you want people have their own you want them to interpret it, and that's why it makes a better connection than they feel connected an emotional and but for something like this, right? He I think he should have at least give some clues. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's fucking. Has. I don't know. Let's go onto the next one because I I don't know how you don't see the same thing in this one shoe. One starts off lake could be good. Fuck tuning. You guys ever heard of the revolting cocks. Again, good music from the eighty. I've heard of the racist Kach from the breaking the. And then he ruined for me raiders. Sorry. Sorry go on about your. Whatever it sounds like revolting cocks. Never, heard of going to play a little revolting of her ministry. Yes. Okay. So it was like guys her ministry, a bunch of these industrial bands. I'm not crazy about the song. Although The story fascinates me only because. This is the revolting cocks. With just playing the first one on this. Do you think I'm sexy. Oh I think this is the Rod Stewart cover is A. Beers steers and queers on there. Now. Is, this Mike, this is early. American industrial music. At its. These guys are out of control. It was members of ministry and some other industrial bands. There on this label wax Trax which pioneered industrial. Music Trent resonator was involved in them. Psych pointing. And these guys they're show would be nothing but it's just a big S or trade stage. He'll like this russ now. Doesn't reinforce my my theory that there was some great music in the eighties. Now, I don't think this doesn't what you've played out to listen to some more revolting cocks should to see if they reminds me of computer. The cowboys. I actually kind of picked this one. I like it right up until he comes in here allies. Uses the Clavier on this one? He's got like the KLOPP's Yeah Oh. Yeah. To me sounds like a revolting cock. which is bird related. So wait I wanna to tell you what I thought of this, and then I wanNA see your counter for why you think it's not about Ben? Why I think it's about Ben because when I was reading when I start I, haven't read it in a while but in early in the early parts of. His book. Waging heavy. Peace. He talks a lot about his lyonel buying line al in the whole, his his own trained set stuff and how that's a thing him and Ben did like every day. and. He about all the little pieces, the the. The You know the people on the little miniature figures and stuff and the the cowboys in this shit like the you play with in the set you can. You know and that's what. I. Thought. This was was him and Ben like playing with the train set and so ban is is the. This is just a I. Don't know to me was just one of these things of. Another version of communicating with Ben through playing with toys you know I can I can understand that because he has that line in the beginning where the he's hurting all the cows. Square and they have numbers on them. So there's like box cars. Yeah. Any turns the floodlights on each night and that was ben would do with the button and stuff. So okay. Yeah. That's what I thought but I would like to know where what you're. I think this is this is another time traveling vampire thing. Okay. Because this wasn't a huge I don't think this was a huge problem back then because the Internet was literally in its infancy. Was it even at this point? Well, the Internet was going in the seventies it was. Yeah. In very limited ways they was being developed. What gets me is that this? Computer Cowboy, and then sky crusher in parentheses SIS SIS crusher. Yeah, another time travel's crusher. Okay right. So S. Y. S. Neil speaking out against this white males. That Dressler cowboys. Heels the originally Antiga. So to me, it's like he this guy, this cowboy has this is regular rider. Wait a minute. He has this. He has this regular job during the day where everything super organized, but then at night. He let that be because the lights are on and it can run itself and he goes into the city. And he brings another system down. And leaves his. Behind computer cowboys SIS crusher. That's a hacker. A little bit. Yeah and Neil described it as that and shaky he said this is a guy that goes in and causes chaos in corporate computers at night. Let's to me. It's also because he there's the line were. Adding onto what you said where he Ride along computer cowboy to the city just in time to bring another system down and leave your alias behind to me. It's going back to the king thing where. Neil is just. Traveling between dimensions here and Maybe, this is the first hint that were just in a simulation simulation here this whole life is a simulation and that's just his way of looking at it. I don't know neal's the great designer. No, he's not the designer, but he's the hacker. He's the cowboy that kind of thing he's like trond he gets travel between the two worlds. Yeah, that's cool. Theory I just think it's about been as because then at the end, it says like that whole thing like perforation and I would imagine that has to be something to do with the way they communicated with like. I mean perforation. It's like putting a hole through. The right I mean. Well, it's. It's yeah. Well, it's cutting. Yeah Right. So let me look up the definition here I. Think it's cutting right it's like cutting perforate a whole whole made by boring or piercing aperture passing through or into something. A small hole or row of small holes punched into a sheet of paper. So that to me I was like there must be part of the the. Classes and shit that they were doing with the had that's seems right right. I see that as. Either that's what he's doing to the systems that he's talking about attacking or. Maybe. That's imagery he's taking from at that time. You know computer readouts sometimes didn't come out on a screen. They came out on paper through a printer that had the holes and yeah. Yeah teletype. and. So those would come out those were perforated even when we were in high school. With the. Rip It off yeah. Yeah you actually both wrong it on this small print here it says neal rights I usually don't do this but I'm going to say exactly what the song is about. So you guys know and then he says. Fact. Joseph that. John Locke. Sounds about John Lawn holy are okay t fell. Well. He's got to be more than a youngster then. He's the one true youngster. He's a young in. Anyway. I. Think you. Both could be right. Yeah. That's how I read it. But I, know I totally get what you're saying about because now all the square cows and their line everything. That's like that's like looking at a train set. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else no, that's that's all I had. I was just thinking you know. Kind of beat of this one you do and I liked the guitar part. Yeah. Like that. But again, he's kind of tricking like you said it at the top of any kind of tricks us, and then it goes into the VO coded Shit Yeah Jesus. It's rougher than say, Computer Age Yeah Yeah owner Jerry, you're. Crazy horse, but you get a couple of square cows yeah yeah. Let's hold onto our love and move on. I've. Been Right doing. A. Coming up tonight on the WBZ. Dawson's Creek. Seventh Heaven. Everwood. I think that's an exact lineup of it's probably like a Thursday night at the WB. Kinda refreshing event. Was it really after all the voters? There's no VOCA rooms. Yeah. Well, this this was one of those royal pineapple songs because that's the spanned on here but this is the one that he like Pancho said, he stripped it all away and just totally fucking. Harmony if you you, you missed it but there's harmonies and vocal stuff on here. Yeah. That's yeah. That sounded cool. It's kind of dreaming. But at the same time, it's kind of he's or some very has that kind of fit like it almost like a David Lynch candidate is. A twin peaks. Yeah. A little bit like that. But at the same time I just even with all that I'm just Kinda like this is just fucking filibuster. Yeah I'm not. Feels like gas lighting at this, not in love with it but I I just I was a little like it kind of was like A. Doctor You said that the song is refreshing to gas lighting because it's like he he. Di. Down into this totally bizarre it to me unenjoyable stuff and then he brings you to this kind of drizzly. Hold armed you're and you're like, oh, at least not doing it through weird fucking high pitched computer voice. So it's I don't know. Yeah I just find it to be boring, same and very. Typical of the stuff they were playing on the radio. Sounds like a baby's commercial. That's a really good way to describe that. Or something that you would like yes. fucking hate it does it sounds like it could be on a pbs show in the background Yep I don't know. Just my opinion no I'm I'm not crazy about this twenty there. Aren't that fucking awesome either GonNa just go right? It sounds like he was going for the John. Hughes Soundtrack. Yeah simple and hold this one's Kinda. fucked up I. Think I love the I actually love this tune again. Knowing. It's Neil Young Kinda fucks with my head though. Yeah. But I think this is a good. This is Devaux to me again. Very much so But also very craft. That's yeah. Well, I don't I didn't know craft work but but I'm like if you like depot and crap this lightly. Yeah. This is I. Don't see why biens any different or not as good. because. It's Neil Young. Old That's the. That's the only thing. Right Luke. Can you go to five thirty eight? And listened listened to his face. Barbie let's go party. Right. Yeah. Not exactly slows right. He's in the likelihood. That Come on. Let's go. Friday. IV fucking. I. Bet you. Mike. Shoes an author fan. Probably Love Barbie. Girl even know that that. I looked it up. Yeah. I didn't even know who's saying that they had the probably that one song. That's yeah. I would imagine I just like how he's run the whole range of different voters, settings and Ryan he landed on ice smoked my whole life. So I talked through button down my throat can I say something I wanNA. Know how you feel about these hold I wonder how you feel about these lyrics because I wrote I I really isn't about Ben because it's like Z. saying he wants a new sun no or maybe doesn't feel this is about a machine wanting a a mate. Okay or maybe a human wanting someone. That You know how he says not like the lonely one not like the angry one. He's so here's someone who's never satisfied with Z.. It's about himself never satisfied with their relationships. and. So he wants the machine to build him a perfect mate you know and he even describes it hair blonde is blue wait hundred and ten pounds I'm thinking Oh. That's probably that sounds like Peggy. Right at that time and then you know everything is is created to satisfy from the curl of your hair. I think is the lyric to the end of the. Nail. Their name. Oh sorry. Didn't mean to say that word again. Careful. Sorry a not jealous and then say, yeah, not the jealous one. So like these are like ones in the past. So this one's perfect, it's a new he keeps saying new design new. Yeah and then so these are aren't like the ones that you know had these flaws in the past will build you perfect one satisfaction guarantee code rotary adjustable, right? Well, you. He doesn't want someone that's you know always happy all the time. But he wants something where he can. Even he wants something on here where he can control the mood though it's kind of sick. Well, I think regardless is sounds kind of fucked up. This is like to me this day he's being on. This is science fiction. The like this, you know this whole Almaz also about machines taking care of us yeah, or machines protecting US machines, our dependence upon technology, and we're getting to the point where well I'm I can't I can't have the relationship I want. So I'm going to have a machine make me the perfect mate speaking machines taking care of US world. So like an hour forty, five into this. I. Bet you. The youngsters would have expected much more jacket voice in this episode and there's not been any I was I was on the voice plus you introduced this whole microphone understanding thing someone requested Rusty through the whole episode and the guy is good point. Okay let's start over. Okay. Welcomed along may you young? Walking along you. I'm for grounds. You know what? I can understand you way better than using that. Yeah or Neil Young on this. So that's that's what this to me is like the classic science. Fiction. Story of and kind of Frankenstein story to your building. You know what was that movie that Malkovich was in the eighties? Building Mr Right. That, he was a robot that like NASA was working on this girl where is my arm I need my fucking arm. Give that man, his money. That's his best. That's that's real. He's great in burn after reading too. Dangerous Liaisons I've never seen it. Oh, he is fucking so awful he's an awful below fuck man in the iron mask. Yeah. None of us. Is that the Leo DiCaprio one. None of us are saying being John Malkovich. that. Movie, but he wasn't really acting. Nosy. Being John Malkovich a weird version of a, and then he also had to be the version. Why are we talking about this? He's is Christ. We just got to start a movie podcast start start this next. Do It for you go. This July. John Ritter. Christian slater in the newest film about a young boy and his dad hitting the road hitting the slopes. This one is just so fucking. Stoops. I Hate I. Hate this. I I mean because I'm not a big fan of it either because in because I love the Buffalo Springfield Virginia it's so fucking good the in lyrically and the way he delivers it. It's perfect. It's one like. I then to me, this is just buckle. If he's doing this, so ben can appreciate it more fine. That's why I don't think he was he made me maybe he did it this way. So banquet appreciate more. I think he did it this way I just hate the Buffalo Springfield robot. Well, that's the thing to this fuck especially after following sample and hold. It makes sense to me. We can make you the perfect mate. We can make your life better. We can even make stuff you love already. Better. With technology. Yeah. So we can take something that was made by humans that was already so great and we can improve upon it. Make it better through technology. That's the message I'm getting. was trying to make things better similar to the album. The town meeting released this year. That was a excellently planned plug. Thank you. That's what this whole well. That's what it was about. Really just one big long Ed for I knew. spotify music. Anywhere you go. What's his town meeting GonNa. Use the voter please. One Yeah. We're not doing that. Yeah we're using that Mike the. Not Doing. level. Banned Grammar General. Fox The man who? It's actually that would that would be the only one that I would be that would be kind of cool use of. So? That's why I think he redid Mr Soul because Kinda as a statement of. Machines. Take care of US machines we are dependent on machines and machines can make our lives better. Even the stuff that's already great. It can make it better for us. or it can ruin things it can take it to me. It's is that irony that you're doing Mr Soul? With machines. Who notoriously have? No souls right. So is that irony you could be. So maybe that's the same right there could be. I just know whatever it is. It just don't do anything for me FM FM Vakhin Neil Man Ross wants to move to like an INCA. Well I don't. I don't care I don't have much to say about this eighty s Mr. Soul eighties Mr Soul. But I. I, dig what you're saying. This is do you go throwing down right lane eighty This is an open shirt and a hairy chest. Absolute Goddamn. It is. the. No that's a little river band. Joe Allow the game again on those bonds? No. Yeah. I was knows what this is. What else we got fucking birds. You Got Teddy Birds Again, condor, the condor and the praying Mantis I think thinking of do it again. Back. Judge. Again and that's the. Bay. Can you go to three forty, nine? This is this has gotta be nils. This let this play crank it up. Might be. Let's. This is why song my top three. Feels like mills doesn't it? I don't know. It's it does feel like. It could be any another all at this point they're all very. Poncho Is. Ill nealer nil leads to be Neil, that's why it's meals I think. that. That feels like Neil. There's two going on though there that feels like an eight ball to bottles of red wine. What's your opinion on the? UCLA. Sweaty Tan fucking. Eighties Jim tits you know what I mean just. Me Like you mean like a work workout fucking like. Jim from the offices, tits yes. If Jim had tits. tits said whole thing they do instagram now with the switch is that when the Titi Bird looks at the camera? Yeah. awkwardly and goes when the Dwivedi bird does a silly thing. When the condors isn't praying Mantis as what it's about time traveling. VIP are just narrating office but as a as a percussionist Russ you like or. These the hand drums here I kind of these la La Bongos Kinda hate him I don't know. I think it's It creates a mood creates a mood that I don't like because he talks about the jungles and the the mountains, INCAS and. Kinda. Cortez, but he doesn't use bongos. Yeah. Those are what are those they bongo drums this bongos. It's also so again like like you're talking about him hiding between like this is such a percussion glaring contradiction to. Like he's using fucking like hand drums. Or those that this is the Royal Pine Apple. So this is the organic. The Organic Atlantis and stuff right he's like we're losing our world and were we lost control of our world because there's people we don't even know that have their finger near the trigger and they're gonNA cause a nuclear apocalypse and meet me tonight. That whole thing I wish I wasn't as. Yeah. So that's is like that is his Zuma to right. It's as his obsession with ancient civilization the silly bop along beat. This could be a fucking kick ass song like I like it man I was just reading I. WanNa. Get lost in the jungle rhythm. Get down on the ground and pretend you're swimming if you. WanNa put ice in the lava. WHY DOES HE WANNA be like an Inca didn't know all those people disappear also like the Aztecs did they. They were up in the Andes. That's much. They were. They were the ones who had macho. Created the mint because those are delicious. Especially Christmas time. No those are the Canadians. The candidates. Yeah. Maybe maybe ancient. Ancient Incan recipe. God whatever. But yeah. So he's like I'd like running like an ink in A. Like a runner Peru like a runner in. Peru. Peru still going strong. But. The INCAS are gone. Yeah. But they like disappeared he came. Did they yeah. They disease or plague and they just kind of like I don't know I. Think we should fact When are we fact checked anything on what fascinates me is that take those pylons and bury them deep in the ground is that the line? Like. That's like something. That's some kind of ancient thing. That they dug up. Sink those pylons deep now. Okay, if you WANNA get high build a strong foundation, sink those pilots deep now and reach for the sky. If you WANNA get lost in the jungle rhythm, get down there around your swimming and add Michael McDonald slash else like Rustling Kershaw Right. Get down on the ground. Just of rusty was on this album, it wouldn't be no. Kidding me Badgen Rusty Kershaw. The sessions, you pull a gun on Neil. He fucking gun you hold a gun to the back of his head why neal just erased everything. That's what he would have done. Anything eating FRITOS and drinking wine six foot acts and just like niels winging it would always be able to get away because similar to like what we do in the shadows when they just say Bat Neil just as burn. Bird any Birdie want any bird condor. This would be a condo. He took that lasted a pack of condos on the. Run that last line from. hitchhiker. Really yeah that's that's like the last line a hitchhiker is the chorus of the song I think I wish I wasn't Inca. Religion are and build palaces to hold the chosen few that whole thing. Well, we're coming onto hours. All right. Before we do our top three. Can I just play the Sonic Youth version of computer. But doors, Google Condor. Looking dude. Go ahead. please. Yeah play. Sounds like the stooges? Yeah. meaning. See all those songs have potentially these. There's things in those songs bright that if those rips. By. Late or just you know singing. Without a vote. Of course. Yeah I I agree us. They'll. They'll have especially when a cowboy has huge potential. I don't know. So I'm Jodie from I did that he would just had done the reactor. which I wouldn't be I would never problem with no but that's not what does. Nice Well, I tried to base my top three off of potential that I thought. All right coach. Verse. Potential. All right So I may have changed based off of what you guys were saying. I might now throw transformer man in there. You know what? I'll put transformer man as my top three only because reading the lyrics, they really did Kinda pull on my heartstrings and a little bit and then my number two is like an Inca even though I really am annoyed by that driving. Bongo beat there. I just feel like it could have been a really cool song and then my number one is probably computer cowboy. Even though at that point of the album, I'm like I hate. Your pants. Yes. But it but because of the potential of what I think it could have been in. I don't know. I do actually like both. I think it's kind of an interesting, song? Anyway. I. would. Like an is my number, one assault sorry. Three would be computer cowboy. To transform man and like an Kazaa okay. Number three for me would be like an Inca yeah. Number two would be sample and hold and number one would be transformer man. Wow. Okay. Cut. I would honestly cut Mr Soul I. Don't need it. Cut hold onto your love. That's just a pool of fucking your ass exploding a corn maze. I could roll a nine sided die and cut any number that popped up i. just imagine the kid coming by that part of the maze just. Seeing exhale ask. power-wash horns read as just baboon style, just dumping out ways. Or just, or there's a pile of it and the kid just fucking. Rony drops his. Drops Candy Apple and Shit. Worst weekend ever. Yeah I would cut any songs including songs that I mentioned in my top pick one because I can fine. Picking two and one in nine. One fine you honestly. It's tough because like transformer man before he was actually my cut song. Because it just sucks to me but now I, it's it's literally all of them out. I would honestly maybe I'd cut one little thing called love because it's out of place and it's annoying that it goes from that. Yeah, and it's just an annoying song. Anyway, whatever here's fucking trans as trans. There it is. It is. We've been looking forward to it for a long time. and. Now, it's behind behind US Luke's asses exploiting. Please play back live at the end of the circle. fucking perfect. Her. Rule Science degree movie. Oh, God. What's next? Is that everybody's wrong? Everybody's next very much looking for album rand. It's allegedly recorded in just two hours really for real. Yeah she's. Okay Yeah. So and it would be interesting the ban, the talking pinks or something talking. What is Something shocking shock fakes, I. Love the talk. That's the only gay talking heads tribute act in the country right now it'll be bad, ass? Yeah. That would be awesome. I'm sure you've seen led Zeppelin oh. My God so good. They're fucking a maybe they're fucking awesome. Well, anyway next week everyone's everybody's rocking supposedly and I probably will play that at the very end rest, but I am going to bring us out with just because Eddie just died whether you. Liked him or didn't like his music think it's only appropriate to play a little van halen covering rocking in the free world. We'll go out with that WHO. On. Nice Jewelry fucking. My brain is a noodle right now.

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Disharmony Part 3: Young vs. Crosby, Stills and Nash

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Disharmony Part 3: Young vs. Crosby, Stills and Nash

"Rivals is a production of iheartradio. com. Hello, everyone. Welcome to rivals the show about music beefs and feuds and long simmering resentment between musicians. I'm Steve Jordan, and this is the end of our epic trilogy on Crosby Stills Nash and young, and it's been building to one man Nelia. Oh, I'm sure he would have it no other way. The Godfather of CSM NY he's got the other three in his back pocket when he calls, they come when he walks. Well, that's just Bein to his passive. Aggressive mind control is like jed eye level. I mean you know I. Know I said in an earlier episode, crosby's my favorite member of CSM y but Neil's easily the most fascinating and he's also. The Best I mean, let's be real. I mean I. said in our previous episode that I love Stephen Stills the most of the original three but there's no question that Neil Young as a solo artist towers over the other three guys in this band he truly is like one of the greatest singer songwriters ever and one of my favorite guitar players ever. But often forgotten now like some fifty years later is that when he joined crosby stills Nash, he wasn't really a star yet, and in fact I think you could argue that joining this band made him a star and then he proceeded to completely outshine the rest of the band for the next several decades. It when he was inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame and Ninety Five, he got up there and said, it's basically a solo trip that was his quote. It's a solo trip which is really interesting when you consider Buffalo Springfield, crosby stills Nash and young crazy horse the stray gators. Played the Pearl Jam Booker t and the M. But it's also really you know insightful accurate statement for him I think it's an important clue and. The complicated mind of Neil Young you we all love Neil young because he has that strong individual streaky. Here's this material nature that s causing to make all sorts of perverse decisions in his career that seemed like the. SMART show business management. But when you look at his work within the confines of CSM Y, I don't think there's any question that he actually was like a secret showbiz genius I think in a previous episode, I compared him to Machiavelli. And I think that's really true. I mean. He played the dudes in ny like a fiddle and not only one the band but he won it in a route I can't wait to analyze how he did it. So without further ado, let's get into this mess. O'Neill's entry point into. was through Stephen. Stills, and they met playing clubs together and kneels native Canada back in early nineteen, sixty five and there were really immediately impressed with each other because they saw something in the other that they themselves lacked neil admired stevens really like soulful gritty sorta traditionally good voice and Steven Admired Neil's early songwriting attempts, which I don't think Stephen is really doing much at that time. It's funny. Given all there fighting in later years and they're very different personality types. Think Linda McCartney would describe them as chalk and cheese. It's real easy to forget how they came from really similar family backgrounds they both had these really complicated. Relationships with their sort of largely absent fathers and they had these domineering mothers and no matter what they did nothing they ever did was good enough of their mothers and so it kind of fostered this superhuman drive and ambition that they both have but manifest in really different ways. Neil is sort of the scrawny kid that can always win a fight. He just excels at self-preservation whereas stills has the self-destructive streak that would think would ultimately burn them out but we're getting ahead of ourselves. Yeah. We cover this debt in our Stephen Steals episode and if you listen to episode, you know that Neil has murdered Stephen Stills. Over and over and over again over the years for the reasons that you said that. This up degree like stills as putting the knife in himself while Neil is like whispering in his ear driving him insane with his passive aggressive mind control. But it really is striking like how different those guys were and how you. Just looking at them superficially that you think, Oh, Stephen Stills more assertive one in Neil is more passive but really neal was able to assert himself in a more subtle in ultimately effective way. So Neil. Neil is Hannibal Lecter, and then Stephen is multiple meeks. Exactly. Perfect. So. And Stephen. Go their separate ways in these Canadian clubs Stephen. As we said in the previous episode goes to La, in search of session work in monkeys stardom, which doesn't work out for him Neil stays in Canada. Informs a group called the mynah birds with Bruce Palmer and he very, very, very young Rick James and I just I throw this in there because if you haven't listened to it leased, have you heard the numbers ever Steven Yeah it's A. Yeah they're one of the. Great. What if stories? That could have actually happened. They could have been like you know across between like Funke Delta and the Rolling Stones Chambers brothers or something. Yeah. Unbelievable. They almost made it to motown but Rick James was arrested for going. Awol from the navy and the whole motown deal torpedoed. So Bruce Neil drive to la in search of Stephen Stills and the driving Neil Pontiac hearse, and they're looking all of La can't find Stephen. They eventually find him in a traffic jam. Go in the opposite way down sunset Neil does a uey and Stephen, sees neil in his rear view mirror in a black hearse and I think that's the most perfect metaphor for their relationship. It would professional relationship at least I can possibly think of whenever Stephen Things things are going well new young pulls up behind him in a black hole. And and murder them. Really. Exactly. Exactly. It's very telling that he's driving a hearse because he's there to drive away Stephen Stills as corpse. So. They formed Buffalo. Springfield and they start fighting pretty much instantly I mean new. It's funny that Neil's early on stage attire was this like Buckskin fringe native American outfit and stills would always wear these like Stetson cowboy outfits. They were literally cowboys and Indians onstage always fighting and neil later said, I, think it was in the Air Jimmy McDonough's biography Shakey Stephen and I it was too young guys to musical forces trying to coexist in a band that we knew was really good but neither of US had planned. On the other being a force, I think that pretty much sums it up. It was equally strong wills but totally different personalities and stills was much more as you said openly domineering and he would criticize Neil missing a note onstage I. Guess whenever they would play the whisky a go go the waitresses noodle like listen really carefully during their set because after the show there'd always be some fight that they'd be called in the referee on. You. Didn't you hear right in the Neil's like no no no. Come on I. Didn't fine. Yeah. I, always felt bad for the waitresses at the whisky So yeah, the fighting was pretty much instant. Yeah and I think you know when we think about young, we always think about a guy who hits every single note that is really the genius He never misses a note it's Nice. Yeah. You Know I. Think if you were to look at these two guys in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty six and you're going take a bet on who was going to have the more lasting career I. Think the smart money at that time would have been on Stephen Stills. You know he's this Blonde square-jawed good looking guy this cool. Bluesy voice. He's writing basically the conventional like folk rock songs like doing it really well. But then you have neil young who is this awkward gangly guy with a winey high pitched voice he seems a little shaky onstage to allude to the Jimmy McDonough book and he's writing songs that are much more eccentric in don't necessarily have that immediate pop appeal that some of the early still songs had but we can see of course in retrospect that these things that seemed like negatives about Neil Young nineteen, sixty, six, all ended. Up being positives because Neil Young, he's an artist that you have to lean into in order to understand. You know he makes you come to him and I feel like that's true of a lot of the greatest artists of all time. You know they don't seem like they're pandering to you. They make you concentrate on what they're doing, and it forces the audience to focus in much more than they normally would have and I actually. Feel like deleon was self aware of that and that's part of his genius that he knew that he could be himself. Enoch compromise would actually make him more charismatic. Yeah. I could never figure out if he knew that that was something almost in the dylan mold like no, I'm just going to be myself and that authenticity will will resonate with people or if he just truly didn't give I mean I guess there's probably some combination of. It's always hard to tell like how much is just his own nature of being stubborn and just being focused on his own news and how much of it is like this canny understanding of like how to get ahead I mean, I do think that those things aren't mutually exclusive. You know I I think on one hand he was this very idiosyncratic artist. But on the other hand, he was also ambitious in any wanted to be a star. But yeah, I, mean early on in Buffalo Springfield I think these things that we're talking about they seemed like liabilities like his singing voice, for instance. Really. Wasn't not allowed to sing all that much in Buffalo. Springfield like on that I record Neil Road. Some wonderful songs like nowadays clancy can't even sing and flying on the ground is wrong but those songs were. He didn't think those songs which furry saying, no songs who had a much more sort of conventional country rock sounding voice and a lot of songs too like they weren't picked to be the singles or or they were I think burned was a single was flying on the ground is wrong single too early on I think nowadays, clancy can't even sing and burned the first. Two Buffalo Springfield singles but again, Yeah Neil wasn't allowed to cinnamon and Steven will be awful to them. They would finally let them sing occasionally onstage would get on the MIC and apologize to the crowd for what his bandmate was about to to do to them. Inflict is terrible voice onto them and Neil would go offstage and go to his dressing room and cry, which is something. I cannot imagine neil young ever doing I know I know that's that's that's such a sad story Stephen Stills to also had an issue with Mr Soul originally because he thought that that song was basically to derivative of satisfaction by the rolling stones which truth be told that song does sound a lot like satisfaction but it's also a pretty amazing song on his own one of. The few Neil young songs that neal was actually allowed to sing and I feel like by their second record, which was Buffalo. Springfield again, neal was allowed to step into the four a little bit more like he sings Mr Soul. He sings expecting to fly, which is the big epic on that record but he also the issue of epilepsy at this time like where he started having. Seizures onstage. It seems like maybe that was somewhat precipitated by like all the stress that was going on in that band. But again, that's another factor that you look at it and you're like, you know if you're looking at him like dating sixty, seven, sixty eight, you're just thinking like is this guy too fragile to have a long lasting career? Yeah I mean you do wonder which came first the epilepsy or stretching the pan because his his ex wife Carrie snodgrass but later say you know he used to basically say, oh, no, i. feel a seizure coming on. I can't go to this dinner party or I can't do this or that, and he would say I wouldn't put it past neil of bake a seizure to get out of things. So he would later say that he withdrew from. Buffalo. Springfield because of just the toxic energy there and all the stress. But also you know who knows he could've used his affliction with just saying you know what I don't WanNa deal with this and I have a doctor's note saying. Yes, right? Yeah. I mean. Again. In Buffalo Springfield as great of abandoned as that was, it just seems like it turned into a toxic situation pretty early on and that I think combined with Neil's just again that that resolute nature that I think you already had where he wanted to be in control and he knew that he wasn't going to be in control if he was in a band Stephen stills although that was a lesson he was going to. Like not follow I guess in the very near future, but he ends up putting the band like pretty early on. Their whole relationship was just hanging by a thread when they're recording. Mr. Soul and Neil really wanted it to be the single and Stephen. As you said thought, it sounded way too much like satisfaction and he was pushing his own Song Bluebird, which is an amazing song. He put Neil through hell during the recording of it I think the engineer Bruce Bought Nick said that Stephen Just Hector Neil. So much the ended up having a like. During, the sessions for so not a pleasant time bluebirds the side Mr Souls The B. Side kneel at this point has made it clear to the rest of the band that he wants out and he he agrees to stay on through the the Monterey pop festival in June, a sixty seven but then the ban lands a gig on Johnny Carson show as the first rock band on Carson, which I I still think he's nuts that they chose that cool of a band I thought it would have been you know yeah association or like someone. Was Pretty Hip told. I never understood that but neal was not in this. He thought that just being on Carson he was worried that the Buffalo Springfield would've been basically curiosity for Middle America just the basically point and laugh at and like. Creatures in zoo or something. So two days before the due to tape a show, he bolts he he vanishes doesn't answer anybody's calls. He goes to hide out I. think it his girlfriend's house in the San Fernando Valley and he's just gone. He's gone for the Monterey pop festival to and they get crosby to fill in for him and steals would later say you know this happened again and again right? Exactly. When I needed neal was the time that he left. He left right when I needed him most I think that that is the wound that never really heals between them to I mean stills has ambition and he on some lovely probably. Feels like he needs Neil and right when they're crucial juncture of getting this massive mass media exposure, Neil Bolts and so neil is working on his own song called expecting to fly, which is this amazing track does with Jack Niche was Phil Spector's longtime arranger and it is a wild song i. always kind of thought that that was like one of the I like Laurel Canyon singer-songwriter songs as opposed to like a band folk rock song what do you think of that songs a great track in a really shows that like new young at that time had aspirations to be almost like a Brian Wilson like figure like where it would be very Because you know, we always think as being very raw in the studio working with crazy horse and playing live and leaving the mistakes in but he also has this strain like where he was obsessed with studio craft and he would construct songs like expecting to fly his first solo record is like that too. It's much more sort of as much more studio Polish than like his subsequent records would have. But again, that's like part of the sort of you know there's so many contradictions and Neil. Young. We were talking earlier about how a one hand he seems to be almost like anti show business on the other hand he's been incredibly canny in. How he's maneuvered in his career over the years and you know there's so many paradoxes like that Neil Young's career that you just have to reconcile if you trying to understand him but just just talking about all this you know the pop thing and you know him like not wanting to be on television and all that stuff I. I just feel like we're going to see this I think as this episode unfolds like no one has gotten more mileage out of saying no didn't Neil young or like the threat that he could say, no, you know and I think we're GonNa see that like later on in the history of CSM Y. Like. He had traumatized these guys so much that they were afraid of him and they basically. We're afraid that he's going to reject us. So it just causes them to cede any control of the band like when Neil Young would come into the picture like they'd just would lay down for him basically because he had said, no so many other times in the past and like what Buffalo Springfield to like. He quit the band. He rejoined the band again and he ended up quitting again I was like sixty eight or so yeah he rejoined basically because the DJ started flipping over the the Bluebird single and playing his song. Mr Soul instead and so suddenly that his song was getting all this here, play decided. Oh, maybe maybe being back in Buffalo Springfield not so bad after all our hand, we'll be right back with more rivals looney. 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They're busted and I think Steve is still girlfriend's house and everybody was sent to jail except stills who escaped out a bathroom window and ran for it and I always wondered like how much that played a role in like you know they're just how much that neil off neil was like risking deportation by by getting arrested and everything and Neil and Stephen booked it. So he's never really spoken much about that but I can't imagine that that really endeared even to neil very much. But he eventually quit again the Bam was on its last legs in the spring of sixty eight and then and then they were done I think in like April. So Neil ends up making his first solo record I think that comes on sixty eight. It's a self titled Record and it's a good record although again, it seems a little weird in terms of like how we think of Neil Young. Now, because you know I, think it'd Neil young either as the acoustic troubadour. The raw garage rock with crazy horse and like his celtel record is this sort of like a it's more in the vein of like expecting to fly like him. Maybe indulging his like Brian Wilson side like wine to make the sort of Immaculate Studio Record I think the Neil young that we all know and love like really comes into the four with his second record has everybody knows this is nowhere which his first with crazy horse and of course, this ends up being a very fruitful relationship for Neil young and I talked about this. A bit in our Stephen Stills episode I think the thing with Neil young is that he often will surround himself with musicians that I think aren't quite as good as him and I think there's a couple of reasons for that speaking of like crazy specifically one coming out of Buffalo. Springfield? He probably wanted to be in a situation like where he was going to be unquestioned leader. You know there was not going to be another Stephen Stills like figuring crazy horse I guess Danny whitten would be like that to some degree but you know I don't think whitten was as much of a EGOMANIAC Stephen Stills like he was going GonNa power struggles with Danny whitten and crazy horse. I. Think the other reason to is that Neil young realized that if he had this very simple and primitive backdrop that it would just allow him to shine all the more and when you listen to those crazy horse records, I mean I feel like the formula is you have this great sort of lurching rhythm section and out of that explodes these Majestic Neil, young, Guitar Solos that go on for several. Minutes, and it's such a great. It's a great formula and it's a contrast to like what Stephen Stills did when he started to ask for instance, which was this overloaded band lots of great players, lots of people showing off it's very busy same busy. It's great but like it quite have the power that Neil young has with crazy horse because everything the backdrop is so stripped back it just allows him to really step forward. I think it's hilarious like how the other guys and see us ny dot about crazy her city. Hey, crazy horse so. Be. I think has been the most vocal did here's some quote where he was like you know shouldn't have been allowed to be musicians they should have been killed. They should have been shot at birth they can't play. crosby quote machine. David. Cross. That's him on the record to again like. We talked about that in their crosby episode about how like with Crosby was calling Daryl Hannah the devil or whatever you claim that was off the record. This is crosby. crispy on the record saying that crazy horse should be killed access because they can't play which is hilarious but I mean I think that was probably another thing that appeal to Neil young about crazy horse. The years would would roll on about how different that world was from like the N. Y. World that he could just go into the garage with crazy horse and wouldn't have to deal with like a lot of the star trips that were NCIS NY. But we talked about this. We've talked about this in our previous two episodes in the series about how Neil young ended up in a CSM why we could probably just blow through a quickly here but I mean basically the idea was they. Made that I record that sixty nine record with the three guys on the couch, and then they needed someone to pump up their sounds as as a live act. Right and Neil young was the one that ended up kind of fitting that bill. Yeah. They were considering Steve Winwood a couple other people and they landed on Neil and I've spent. A Lotta time turned wonder why Stephen, who'd finally become free of his personal nemesis decided to bring him back after all these years of neil making his life in Buffalo Springfield Living Hell. It's one of the big questions of the series I. Think it's the unresolved question. My best guess is that was sort of fulfill the unfulfilled potential, a buffalo spring theory. I think about those couples that you know not to fight appoint outlets like a couple that has great sex but can't stand one. Another draw is so strong but the good stuff that happens between born out of this toxic torrent of resentment enrage. Stills convinced that they could make it work. They can actually really make work I mean I think there's almost like a brother thing there to like where I think. We'll talk about this little later in the episode, their relationship sort of evolved in like almost like a heart warming direction in later years. But yeah, I mean I think that there's a realization there that like you know we are connected in a way that like I'm not connected to other people I think still in young are. Much closer than like they are to like Crosby Nash. You know like those guys have something separate on their own. I guess in a way in the same way that at Crosby Nash had their own thing going on the stills young and even like how it could be toxic although really I mean I guess it's funny because stills was way worse to Neil Young early on but I think over the totality of their relationship Neil young has been harder on Stephen Stills and a lot of ways. I don't know man it's such a weird dynamic man like how these guys just invite pain from each other over and over again like it's true for all the guys in this band I mean Neil initially was very suspicious of getting in the crosby stills and Nash to, and he drags for like a month or something, and as usual he derives his power by making himself scarce and I guess you know people want what they can't have, and the probably went a long way in sort of. Forcing the band's hand in the making him not just the side guy but but a full partner, you know naming the band name kind of thing and you know obviously, neal was very aware that he was joining. You know the American Beatles celebrate group in the country and wouldn't be a bad thing for himself I mean to take his own group because it's important to say that Neil's name recognition was Neil at this point. Really I mean he would have been like you know crosby stills Nash. and. Crosby stills Nash and then like Gene Clark or something like that like somebody who who is really sort of more a Colt fringe figure and by joining this group as you said at the beginning with just expose them to this huge audience and I think he was upfront about this in later years to where you said you know crosby stills, Nash and young is GonNa. Make me a lot of money and definitely plays a big part me being here and he also made it clear from the start that this was not his first priority could come and go as he pleased and express himself and whatever other projects that he wished. I. Mean. It's really an incredible setup for Neil I mean. There's never a downside at all could only help him. Yeah. Exactly. Especially because like he said, he always had that back door that could walk out of and it's really funny to me to like how neil almost from the beginning was able to like both benefit from being in this band because again, as you said, they were like the American Beatles at this time they were hugely popular and Neil Young. You know he was known from Buffalo Springfield, but like his his first two solo records didn't sell all that well like at the beginning. So he was really coming into this great situation, but then he could also like us that band to boost his credibility by putting them down I'm yeah. And like I feel like there's an early example of that like when they performed at Woodstock because off four of them were at Woodstock I think it was like the second show they ever played. There's that famous clip of Stephen still saying that you know we're scared shitless. Playing at this show, then the movie comes out and Neil. Young refuses to be apart of the film. So you only see the three other guys in there and we can link that to all the other examples that we've talked about about deal young sort of making himself the story by taking himself out. You know like I am the story now because I'm not there and that's really kind of the story of that film appearance I. also feel like you know and he wouldn't have known this at the. Time. But it ended up being I think a very advantageous decision by him because you look at Neil young he's one of the only people of his generation that had like serious like credit with like punks and like indie rockers later like the grunge rockers of that time and I think it was because he was from the sixties but like he could distance himself from some of the big sixty cigna fires, I can away the David Crosby couldn't David Crosby is so endemically sixties when you look at him. Where if you're like a punk and you hate the sixties, he's like an easy target to make fun of whereas Neil. Young is like right next to David Crosby and a lot of things but it's like, oh, he's the guy that didn't want to be in the woodstock movie. So it's like he almost has this weird credibility there because he didn't do that or he wouldn't allow himself to be in the movie I'm GonNa make myself the story by being absent because I have integrity it's genius. It's incredible. Genius move and like I feel like again, maybe he was doing that because that's how he really felt and I'm sure that's the case but you can't tell me that on some level he didn't realize the smartness of that from just the image and career standpoint. Yeah I mean this would happen again and again, and again I mean even when you're when the recording their first album as a as a quartet Vu was absent really for most of that was really a crosby stills and nash album featuring Neil on. Two of his songs think he only played on five of all the songs on the album and crosby and Nash. Their debut have been pretty painless to make because stills had been of the unchecked musical director and Deja Vu. It was not that way at all. It was almost like the white album sessions were really kind of fractured and strained and. Neil famously hated all the sounds of of the Buffalo Springfield records and he was very loath relinquish control of the sounds of his songs. So when he would get in there and record his tracks helpless and country girl, he basically viewed it as like that's his business. He would record the songs, take the tapes, go to his personal producer. David. Briggs. Mixed. On his own and make it sound the way he wanted it to sound as opposed to still sitting there like well, what are you doing? This is a band and you can't just take your things and do it completely by yourself and by the way I engineer the first album we did and it's zillion copies I know what I'm doing. First of all, why don't you trust me and second of all how dare you right exactly. Again, we talked about in our last episode but yes, still just like dude, I'm doing you a favor man I'm literally adding millions of dollars to your bank account by inviting you into this band that I started, and now you're pulling this stuff again. This murdering stills in the studio during deja-vu get the blackhawks out. Neil her. Hall. Stephenville's away one story that really makes me laugh is about the teacher children and this occurred years later, of course, your children is like one big hit songs from Deja Vu that Neil young doesn't play on. And Graham Nash was always really upset about that could because like they had the session neil new and it was and he just didn't show up You know I think justifiably took that as a sign of disrespect. It's like, Hey, like we are here for you. Why can't you play my song it just it makes me feel like you don't really take my song seriously and like years later, Graham Nash had his first opportunity to license that song for a commercial and I think that song has been like in a million commercials since then but Neil Young was upset about that because his name was on it and he had also put that song this notes for you. From the late eighties. Yeah. That's making fun of corporate. And Graham Nash was basically like Dude. You didn't play on the song. So like I don't really care what you think I'm GonNa do this I'm GonNa. Make Bank. You should have shown up to the session. You know twenty years ago you know maybe I would care about your opinion but you know I'm giving you a heads up out of courtesy but I'm gonNA take the cash. So I think that's pretty funny. The two I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this revisiting Neil young records for this. Which? Of course, always a great thing to do or love listening to Neil young records and I was really struck listening to after the goal rush and harvest. I don't think. I'd fully made this connection my mind before about how much those album sound like CNN why and how you listen to the albums. Neil young did before he joined that band he wasn't doing the like the folk songs with lots of harmonies. Yeah. That's not everybody knows this is nowhere. He's not really doing that on the self titled Record But then you get to after the gold rush which came out six months. After Vu so perfectly positioned to kind of capitalize on the success of that record. Yes. Sounds like tell me why only level break your heart that just have these like again, beautiful melodies they sound like they could have been on a CSM y record and that's know doubly true of harvest which has heart a gold old man needle and the damage done again, all very sort of c. n. y. sounding records, and like it occurred to me that like Neil Young, he was able to jack their sound and do it by himself and do it better because as much as I. Love those. See us. Ny records after the gold rush is a better album. Harvest is a better album and he was just like, Hey, I can do what you do and I can sell as many records you guys sell but I can do it by myself like I. Don't need you. You know which is another incredible thing that Neil young is able to pull off at this time. Just blows my mind stills must have been like, where were you when we were doing digitally Mr been listening to all of this I got the impression that the. US brought their best songs to see US N. Y. projects whereas neo kind of brought ones that seems sorta like uncharacteristically I'm GonNa say lightweight but more lightweight than step that'd be on after the gold rush. You know the songs ended up on deja Vu helpless and Country Girl I. Think he also brought man this and everybody's alone to the sessions to which didn't make the cut but he kind of brought these more sleight poppy songs as if that was like all CSM wide deserve I mean I think help us is like a pretty. Great Song although I would take most of the songs on the goal rush probably over that one I mean, I mean he did right Ohio for them, which is like maybe the greatest song. So you gotta tip the cap there but yeah, I agree with you I think it's pretty clear especially as we get into like the later albums when we get into like inner spirit dream era and like looking forward and you look at like what neal was doing on his own versus what he was contributing to those records Yeah it's a pretty clear. That he was holding things for himself. He's making freedom the same time then he's making American dream I exactly at the same time. So yeah. So so anyway, I mean. He he makes deja-vu with with CNN and then he does these like just these brilliant solo records ended up being huge hits and it's almost like you know by the mid seventies or so I mean Neil Young I think already at that point was probably the biggest star in this galaxy but he was also still drawn into working with these guys again like they started. We talked about this in our Stephen Stills episode. About human highway like how they tried to get that album going. Seventy or so yeah I think at that point kind of Neil had sort of haunted by Danny whitten's death and he had done the harvest tour of the turned into time fades away which you know was so unpleasant to him that I don't think he'd he allowed it to be widely available for decades. So he was a kind of a low personal and commercial APP, and so the other three and CSM. Why They went to Maui and I think Jimmy McDonough's book. They sort of a side mission aside from trying to get the band back together make a new CSM y album was to try to wean stills off of cocaine and apparently Bruce Berry, who was a a working man and drove in a line van He was a Rhody for the group. He showed up with cocaine for apparently for stills and it was a big blow up they. They sent Bruce back to the mainland where he almost immediately od to think a couple days later on man and so this instigated this. Big. Fight with the group sessions in Hawaii were called off and they eventually met back up at Neil's ranch in in northern California to try to resume sessions on what was tentatively called human. Highway, which I thought was interesting that they named after a neil song and they went to Neil's ranch record. It's always about coming to kneel and they got a couple of days into the sessions on the ranch and Neil just walk that he went. To David, Briggs House late, one night instead of doing this record, and it's all wrong I wanNA, make a rock and roll record, and that became tonight's the night which you know it's just one of the most agonizing expressions of grief on record. It's like up there with the plastic ono band just him processing the death of of Danny Whigham Bruce Berry and you know it it's hard to overstate like how Great Neil Young was at this time you know. There's that famous. You know if you look Neil Young, you know this story about how he had those big successes with after the goal rush in harvest, and of course, working with CSM Y, and then he goes into what is known as the ditch period where he's making these really noisy angry. Sad drunken records like time fades away. Tonight's the night on the beach They're just brilliant and he's just coming up with tremendous stuff and you know I feel like sometimes like the other guys in the band get like A. Little bit of a short shrift about like what they were doing it this time because I think as we've talked about in like our crosby stills episode, I still feel like at this point, the other guys were writing good stuff you know and they were putting a good albums i. think by you know once we get past the mid seventies things get a little patch here but you know I feel like in a way like Neil young sort of fed that perception that these guys in the band like were weren't that great. And and truth be told I mean they were not as good as him I mean there's no question of that. No one's going to say that they were keeping pace really neil young at this time but I, just think of like the doom tour era and you know we've talked a lot about the doom tour already it's a great period. I love to do a tour I know we could just do a whole series on the doom tour as far as I'm concerned but you know I think like Neil youngest talked about. How on that tour, he was disappointed because he felt like You know they were playing these really long shows and they were introducing new material into those gigs. But like he felt like he was bringing the most to the table and if you listened to tapes of that time I mean he had some incredible songs that he was basically debut on that tour like pushed over the edge like an incredible song. So many great songs, I think the other guys were also like putting up some pretty good stuff too but. There's no question that Neil young was like at a real high creatively I mean I think most of his disgust with tour was just with like the decadence of it and like how much they were spending on just stuff. They didn't need like lobster dinners before the show that like no, one would eat that kind of stuff and I think he ended up what's up on lobsters before all show A bunch of lobster and your stomach go sing with butter three hours. It seems awful and I think by the end of that tour, the rest of the band was like traveling by jet and he was like in his like a kind of line van essentially right I mean was he just kind of going like Van Life on that tour? Yeah like. A GMC motor home that I think broke down it was like such a piece of junk Britches imagine young on the side of the road in a in a broken down motorhome is kind of how I prefer to think of Neil Young. But he he wasn't hanging out with the other guys at all at that point no no, he was definitely again. You know they were doing the rock star trip and he was basically being like Indie rock guy like I I WANNA do my own thing you know being my own world and look I love tour I live album that they put out the wind nineteen seventy four I think is so good but I it just seems like Neil young that satisfied and it seemed like again like him and steals were battling onstage. You're doing basic spinal tap like folk-rock addition like where they're just trying to out volume each other just cranking the amps and You're just killing their eardrums basically which which I mean. Then of course, you get crosby and Nash Sing over that and it killed their voices. So when you listen to the tapes back I guess Nash almost in tears when he played the tapes back because their voice shredded trying to compete with one hundred decibels steals in Neil's AMPs Marshall Stacks and everything. I mean. The other incredible tour I guess from this era that we need to talk about we talked about this a bit. In are still episode but the stills young band tobacco that happened I can't believe that even gone as as I. Did I just can't believe that they even like thought that was a good idea in any way shape or form because I mean you listen to that record and I feel like I'm paper that would have been a cool idea like again steals in young working together the brothers are back. They're going to work out their tensions and if they could have like somehow like. The hostility that they had between each other into the music, it could've been incredible could have been like really edgy alive and great, and the record itself I just feel like it's subpar material for the most part from both of those guys except for the title track, which is this great Neil Young Song. But then you know the other tracks on there are pretty lightweight and then they ended up going on tour than that ended up being. A Disaster Oh. Yeah. I mean Neil didn't like it from the beginning because he felt that the band was mostly Stevens people and it's very, very important for for Neil to be around Neil people you'll need people at all times. Yes. So from the start, Neil feels like something wasn't working the balance was off and the critics weren't very kind and unfortunately they were praising meal trashing stills. There was one headline that was young hot steals not. Hard to imagine that you being you know format being used in the context of a rock critic review but say like hot or not existed in the seventies I feel like that's Name you know. Be, dropping, hot, or not jokes in the seventies. That's that's that's kind of weird. So stills was very much unhappy about being deemed not hot and he consoled himself with alcohol and cocaine which made him even more tyrannical. The normal he starts taking it out on the crew thinking that the cruise conspiring against him to make him sound bad. This you know makes him less. Than popular with the crew, which then exacerbates zone persecution complex and it goes round and round and round one night in Charlotte. Stills berates sound guy in front of a packed house like in the middle the show and kneels just horrified by this they stills nealer travelling in separate buses and I guess the next show is in Atlanta and Neil goes up the. Driver's bus and says, all right turn left here. Well, Neil we're supposed to go right now turn left here goes to Memphis and catch a plane back to California still arrives at the hotel in Atlanta and finds a telegram for him from. Neil that says, dear, Stephen Funny things that start spontaneously and that way eat a peach, knee? Yes, and we we covered this stills. Episode and I think we were looking at it from the perspective of stills. Again, just being corpse on the floor at that point wants the gap. No future was as quote said, you know this is like the fifth time that you'll young is murdered me and I I just allowed to continue to happen. You know it's like that Tom Cruise movie edge of tomorrow. Getting murdered over and over again that's like that should be like CSI y bio-pic right there but you know since this is the Neil. Young episode you know looking at it for Neal's perspective I mean as like Karsh. Says that is to do to someone who's like your friend I get where he's coming from. If you're looking at a purely from an artistic point of view because again he's on the. Road promoting a record. That's not very good. He's with a guy who's like yelling at the sound guy overplaying on every song he's probably thinking his mind. You know I can hook up with crazy horse echo hooking the stray gators something. That is like way better than this. I'm in the middle of like one of the greatest runs in rock history in terms of albums like I'm spitting fire left and right. Of, that Song Thrasher, from Rust never sleeps with the line in there. We talks about like those guys were dead way to me such a devastating song and it's and he's talking about CNN. And I think this is an instance where he's like I got to cut the dead weight or I'm GonNa Drown, you know and so from that perspective I understand it it's like you know, yes, he murdered Stephen. Stills. But maybe it was self defense you know I'd say it's either him or me I'll murder him so I can survive he would defend themselves years. Later. You'd say I only care about the music. It's sad. Sometimes, people are damaged by but if people understand me, they understand that when the music finished with me, I'll be back if you can wait for me that says it all still yeah. So let's flash forward to the eighties and this is what he's know. Exactly. This is a dark period I think for. All involved although I feel like in a way, you could have argued maybe in the early eighties that likes an had some say daylight again, if you will with their album nineteen, eighty Tuesday lead again, which was like a pretty big hit record I mean southern cross is on that record wasted on the ways on that record So they had this sort of. Flash of relevance again, whereas Neil Young was really a low point in terms of his commercial appeal and his critical appeal and you know he was not the Neil young necessarily that we think of now like he he was pretty marginalized and in a way you could say that he was doing it to himself because he put a this sort of wacky series of. albums, albums everybody's Rockin old ways trans all albums on some level I enjoy and I appreciate why he did it. But this was the era where famously David Geffen who owned Neil. Young's record label sued Neil Young for not making Neil Young sounding music, which is one of the greatest and most bizarre lawsuits in rock history. But in a way you could say i. Understand, David Geffen's point of view to a degree like I don't think he should have sued Neil young but it is true that like did not seem quite like himself and I think that is why he probably ended up hooking up with CSM. Again, you know I just wonder like if on some level, he felt like well when I joined these guys in nineteen. Seventy it really helped my career. So maybe can help my career again here in the late eighties needed. You think there's any validity to that. That's really interesting I. mean the story that he kinda puts out there is that when CSM, why have a one off reunion at live aid David Crosby was in rough shape and he said you know I it crosby. Can Get things back together again will join us again for a new album, and at that point you know crosby looked unlikely that he would live through the rest of the decade. So probably thought it would never actually happen and then in eighty six he he does get clean in prison he gets cleaning gets released and neo kind of made it seem like. I had to make this new album with the other guys because I said I would you know it's like a sort of be true to my word but. You could tell just by listening to it that his heart wasn't in this is American dream in I. Think it was eighty seven it is a horrendous album. It's a terrible album and like it was weird to me is like I think some of the songs are okay but like the sound of it is awful, the production is is really bad and like Neil young is to blame for that because he insisted on using his guy at the time this Guy Niko, Bolas, who was like this young producer and The story exactly what David Briggs at that point if he wasn't, it seemed like there was some sort of separation going with. Briggs who really was the guy working on all the Great Neil Young's yeah and really I mean Briggs passed away nineteen ninety-five I think it was and I feel like dealings music has not been the same since since Briggs now passed away. But you know I I think they recorded at his ranch to like didn't they? So like they all came to him so it's like, oh, great like Neil Young is taking charge of the sound. This is gonNA. Be a little more raw. It's going to sound more real and it's like this sterile eighty sounding record and It's really weird because you lived to. This earlier like Neil young around this time he ended up putting up freedom that came out in eighty nine also working with Niko Bolas and that ends up being really like his comeback record in like heralds the beginning of this great period that he had in the ninety s of like this artistic rebirth like the nineties is like one of my favorite Neil. Young decades I. think there's some really great records that came out at that time and freedom was the beginning of that and it's like, why was freedom so good in American dream so bad it's like. was he intentionally sabotaging them like was this some weird thing I mean I don't think that's true but I, don't understand like how those results could be so different. Americas, you're fucking pan flute on it's even it was. How can you allow that to happen I? Guess Brigands Zamfir in here to play some flute. I mean, yeah. I mean like you said Freedom Ragged Glory Harvest Moon the nineties run is incredible and. Pretty much you know back burner for him. I mean, and then at the end of the decade, one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine made the last the last album. Ever, made together looking forward. And it was basically a crosby stills and Nash record that Neil added three acoustic songs to that were three of his best in my opinion slow poke out of control and the title track, which again interesting go the neal song for the title track every project from that he was a part of. From you know human highway sessions on were all named after a Neil Song, which I always think is really interesting. Well, you know we talked about this before about how the other guys in the band like the CNN were terrified of Neil Young I think at this point and we talked about the power of no, and at this point, it was almost like it was like the power. Of the threat of no, you know they didn't want to illuminate him. We didn't want to do anything that would scare him away. So like when you read about the tours that they started doing, you know you mentioned the tour, they did in two thousand and what was that the Y. Two tour which is a very cute great dad joke. But yet they did like I think three tours. In. The Arts and it just sounds like Neil, young was the boss of those tours like he's the one that really would determine the format. Of course, there was a living with war tour where he was like really in control of that but I remember reading the story I can't remember what tour it was from the odds but there was some story about like how they're playing a show. In Saint Paul and after the show Stephen Stills like wanted to stay behind and take a shower before leaving the arena and a new young had like like bolted immediately after the show who like a luxury suv it went to the airport and like you said, he'd let the crew it's like everyone has to leave immediately I don't WanNa Hang. So Stephen Stills didn't take a shower he left. All. Right. Bosnia is this like it's like. I just WANNA winded Stephen Good to take a shower like did he have to stink for like? Before. You can take a shower. This also has to do not just like with. Neil young stubbornness or his ability to sort of back out of things was also money i. mean he was again I think in the nineties you know because of all the great records he was putting out and also you know working with like Pearl Jam in being very against smart about positioning himself as a really kind of youthful elder-statesmanlike. He was again I think one of the only like sixties people that really appealed to the younger generation like a Gen xers who would maybe like turn up their nose at woodstock normally like they love Neil young it just you know brought him back to being A. Huge Star and I remember reading David Brown's Book which we've talked about in this series quite a bit which I recommend everyone reads called causing stills, Nash and young. There's some quoting they're talking about how the difference between playing with Neil and doing their own show is like the difference between like sixty grand and night six, hundred, grand a night you know because they're plane still playing arenas with Neil and the plane theaters without him. So there was also a huge financial imperative to keep Neil, young happy the living with young to always really fascinating me too because it seemed like they were really kind of like. You know almost like his opening act in a way like his side men. Crosby referred to him as a benevolent dictator on that tour because it was very much like the Neil young show I. It was almost weaponising nostalgia. Guys together so that he could get all these people that loved music, the Laurel Canyon ditties in the late sixties in the woodstock era stuff, and then kind of cast that in stark relief to the you know George Bush era post nine eleven We were living in it was almost like he was trolling their CSM wife and it was kind of my impression of it. Yeah. In a way, it's kind of weird. I mean I think on the flip side of that. You could see if you watch, there's a there's a concert documentary about that too called CSM Y Deja. Vu that Neil young directed under the name Bernard Shakey and how there's a famous seem like where they're playing the living with war songs I think in Atlanta and the crowd just goes like nuts in a bad way like they're yelling at the at the band they're doing. And this song's called. Let's impeach the president. Not Liking it. They're not digging that song and like when you re David Brown's book it talks about like how rattled Neil young was by that like it was really like he I don't think he was expecting that kind of reaction necessarily that strong of a negative reaction and as much as he was like dogging the other guys net band over the years I think you can see at that time that in a way he was leaning on those guys to support him during that I think it's very telling that he didn't tour that record on his own I. Think in some way he wanted other guys up. There with him that would take the heat with him. You know and it says something about the relationship with these guys like you know we've gone over all the craziness that's going on with them. But there is this sort of weird loyalty that existed for a long time where they would support each other in situations like that. Even Neil. Young. who was very cynical about this band I ki- I was relying on that on that tour that's interesting I. I always thought that it was basically he tapped the other guys because he knew that appeal to a certain demographic of a certain age who know presumably shared a similar. Mindset in the late sixties of of peace love Woodstock hippy dome kind of thing and would kind of rub their noses in maybe what how far their current beliefs are. In two thousand and five, thousand, six, Bush era Iraq were type you know supporters and kind of make them confront who they were with who they were now but you're right I mean it's funny to think that he might actually feel he needed somebody to to bear the brunt of all that abuse to well, and the thing you said I'm sure that's true too as we've said, many hands about Neil young he's a man of paradoxes. He wanted to provoke that audience and also maybe bask in the comfort of being with his old bandmates I. Don't think it's interesting that I. It's so fitting that for all of the fights that Neil? And Stephen had for forty five, fifty years it was crosby who ended up detonating the crew seemingly for good I would say, yeah, it seems like that and we talked about the our crosby episode, the whole Daryl Hannah incident, poisonous Predator. Poisonous Predator, and it sounds like I mean it's a he like apologized for that I. think he's done it publicly. It sounds like he called Neil young at some point in apologize for it but you'll that pissed off neil and feels like crosby pissed off everybody with that and other things over the years. You just wonder like at some point if the usefulness of this brand just kind of like runs out of gas a little bit you know like. We've talked about how I think for all these guys the CNN and CSM why banner would be like a shelter that they could go to in you? Financial shelter it was like an emotional support shelter. You knows it was almost like a well, I keep using different metaphors here I said shelter I'm GonNa say a well now that you could dip into and replenish yourself, and then go back out in the world and maybe just maybe the well ran dry eventually and this was the sign that. Maybe I mean I I do of the most heartwarming part of this whole story is the sort of rekindled relationship between Neil and Stephen and Neil for all of his his quirks and his material nature I think understand Stephen better than anyone I. Mean You know no gallagher was said Liam you know I can play him like a slightly disused arcade game and I think neocon play Stephen like a slightly disused arcade game in ways that benefits himself. But he also I think genuinely loves them. There was a great quote that gave I think it was in the Gym Donna Book where he probably the most insightful. Statement I've ever seen about Stephen Stills, he said, you know he's a real sensitive guy sensitive. He had to get himself together and how he gets himself together as he tries to take over the world but I'll tell you he's just nervous. I could see that you take away all the insecurity and all the things that have main stephen do some of the stuff he's over the years and there's a wonderful human being. WHO's right. There, I always see the real stephen in there and he's a really great guy what strikes me listen to the quote is how he emphasizes how sensitive Stephen Stills is. Because again, a can look at those guys. Superficially you think Stephen Sills is the gruff bully in. Neil. Young is like the sensitive eccentric and not that Neil young as a bully, but he is a lot tougher. I think than you know maybe his persona suggests. That guy I think again was along with being this guy who's always gonNA, follow his Muse and be art I I just think he's such a genius and how he's maneuvered his career in the same way that people like Bob Dylan are you know or springsteen anyone who's stuck around that long? You really do have to have the ability to be lots of different things at once and I think that's something that we've seen over and over again with Neil Young, we're going to take a quick break into word from our sponsor for we get to more rivals. So. This is the part of the show where we give the pro side of each part of the rivalry. We'll talk about the pro Neil Young Side I. Look we have to say anything more than Neil young as Neil Young I mean Neil Young for crying out loud. He's one of the greats of all time and as much as I. Love the other guys in crosby stills Nash. There's no question that Neil young towers over them. artistically I mean, he towers over most people in rock history artistically and I think what he brought to this band was. A certain relevance I think that they did not have after say one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five, you know it's like if if he was involved in this band in the nineties or two, thousand, two, thousand, ten's as like spotty as like their output could be you're more likely to pay attention if Neil young as on board it's like the possibility that it could be great even though you're more likely to get like American dream or looking forward, you still feel like, oh, it could be great if neil young as involved at that is the thing that he that he brings. To this band and I just go back to to that thing about after the Gold Russian in harvest I was blown away now even to this day that he was able to take what this band did in, do it on his own improve that I can do it on my own better than you guys can do it. So we don't really need you people are just GonNa want me. Proven to be true over the last fifty years like Neil young it's like if you think of beautiful songs with harmonies. Yeah. You think of. Maybe think of Neil Young I and you're GonNa put harvest before you put on A. Record and that's the genius of Neil Young. It's really crazy to think that his entire recorded legacy with CSM y really is just on three songs country girl helpless and Ohio nobody ever mentions anything American dream and looking forward and if they do they do it in you know with an asterix next to it. It's amazing that sort of like you said, the reputation that he gave that band just on the strength of those three songs alone you said nineteen seventy five was when he started giving them relevance I would almost argue even earlier that sort of he was what the ban needed as sort of the woodstock age transitioned in the Watergate Era I. Think it was you know Ohio. Is I think that transitional point for them and there was a great was elliot, Roberts quotes it said. He gave the ban balls Neil. Young's got balls dripping down his back shoulders leg everywhere. He's got balls to spare and think rather than being sort of like a Hippie Everley brothers, birds, fusion harmony group I think yeah I did give him the weightiness that helped him endure balls dripping down his back I'm not sure how I feel about that quote. drippy balls nearly as he's known next. So, if we go to the PRO CSM inside or the Anti Neil Young side, you know I would say again I think Neil Young, you know and not to his credit. Really I think he often was like openly disrespectful to the other guys. And I feel like that's Kinda crappy on his behalf because again as we've established I, really feel like early in his career joining this band was a pivotal moment for him becoming a big star. If he hadn't had that platform early on I, wonder if he would have remained more of a cult. Hero of like seventies, La Rock then like the Big Star that we know in love today So I think for that reason you know I would hope that he would have a little more reverence for like what those guys did for his career and like the audience was able to bring into their and I would just say in general to you know I know, I, had this this bias. For a long time that I thought. Neil, young was was the greatest and that the other three guys the guys were lame and I didn't care about what they did and for a long time, I didn't even pay attention to their work and when I finally dug in, I was really kind of blown away by like all the great music that crosby stills and Nash made on their own and made a different permutations. Throughout the years and I hope that if you are one of those people that don't really take. Part of NY. Seriously that you inspired by this series that check those guys out because yeah they're not as good as Neil young but I think they made a lot of great music on their own and they deserve to stand on stage with Neil Young at. All does great. But can't say about many people. Yeah. Exactly. I Echo that I think that still sort of in in the in the Lennon McCartney dichotomy that I tend to view the world. I think stills was the McCartney figure, the kind of workaholic who taskmaster who sort of smooth out kneels, rough edges and make things more commercial than ordinarily be I think that was kind of in the very very early days maybe still thought that he could sort of package Neil in the way that he wasn't able to really do in. In Buffalo Springfield obviously that didn't work out but I I would like to think that like you said, maybe Neil learned a thing or two by watching stills up close doing the working on Deja Vu together, which then could put into into after the gold rush and harvest, and also like you said, crosby stills, Nash and young was a huge platform for him and I think that if he wasn't in that group, he probably would have been like a you know gene Clark figure or gram Parsons like an L. A. Fringe rock early seventies guy who you know made strong records but you know would have been like is his solo debut. No one really talks about now even though I love Yeah, I think that the the appropriate reverence for his fellow band mates is probably where my only real fault with him at this point I think that he has been disrespected for him over the years you inner personally and publicly, which again makes me happier that at least he instills of seemed to patch things up now. So when we look at all these guys together, I mean look as. We've shown I, think in this series, this band is like so full of drama and intrigue, and you don't get that without this unique mix of personalities and talents you know San was already combustible on its own but then you add why to the mix and it just like just blew everything sky high and I know for me personally it's been a blast digging into the history of this band and I'm just so glad that we've had the music in. The madness absolutely sometimes at the end, these episodes we try to figure out whether these artist should be together shouldn't be together and you know in this case I think I'm torn as much as I love the music they made together sometimes i. think maybe I should be a part but I love the music just too much. Maybe maybe I'm the Stephen Stills in the scenario, I just can't quit them I don't want them to quit each other. Well, it's. Been Fun getting wasted on the way with you Jordan on this journey. But like I feel that, it's probably time for us to talk about a different rivalry other than what exists in the CSM waiver. So if we next week, we're going to be heading out out of this place at a different revelry and we can't wait to do it. So thank you again for listening to this episode, we'll have more beef and rivalries and long simmering resentments next week. Rivals. Production of iheartradio. The executive producers are shontae tone and Noel Brown the supervising producers, Taylor chicane and trysted McNeil The producers Joel Hat Staff. Jordan run talk I'm Steven Hyden if you like what you heard, please subscribe leave us a review for more podcast for my heart radio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Long May You Young 10: Decade and Nils Lofgren Interview

Rock N Roll Archaeology

2:22:07 hr | 6 months ago

Long May You Young 10: Decade and Nils Lofgren Interview

"Okay. That on purpose I imagine if I was right here recording. No, I just missed it. I wanted to really pop the champagne live on. It just popped itself because it's been PD lund worked for so long everyone. Welcome to long. May You young episode ten? Champagne for our tenth anniversary and. I was GonNa pop it live on what now you gonNa say, hip. So that. Reacting to Jeez thing just fucking this one. This is same exact thing that happened to kneel in crazy horse when they played that sick nine minute version of helpless full on electric and the Dude for God to hit the record. It's exact. I was about to hit record and that's why he's always like as soon as he walks in, you just roll the tape all two seconds before it hit record the champagne. Bottle. Just the Cork just popped out on its own a pop one off. That means that means that's the good stuff. Did you get the Goodson? Desktop. was. The no other guys quotes this early in the PODCAST. You like the other guys them. We're starting with a new start with will ferrell thing when we have way bigger things to talk. Now we've huge things. Before you mentioned it. I didn't get the sound of the Cork popping but I can at least get this. Oh Yeah. Listen to that. That's. That's all. That's effervescent. We're getting this sound that sounded way better than me pouring squirt. Did. And here comes russes although squirt and pain might make a good cocktail. What would you call had? You know what I call that midnight on the Bay Oh my God you literally just my favorite drink. Dude would be. A Little Mountain. Guys we're not talking about you have to put a little Malibu in there because of the evening coconut. Literally just invented my favorite. All right. Listen we just poured little champagne. Episodes. Five, ten episodes you know what guys were getting down to. Right ten episodes where now a member of Pantheon podcast yet the Pantheon podcast network, the music, it's all about the music. So thank those guys we are in incredible company on Pantheon if I may say, so they have some really good show. Have some great. Great like, Oh, I, always mentioned the shouted out loud cast because I love kiss and those guys do such a great job and their from the from the from Massachusetts. Right you know. But there's a great Russell I don't know if you had a chance to check out their band podcasts. That's great. There's another one called performance anxiety which is. Very good you do you just type in the names of the shows 'cause they tried to look on look like the Pantheon of the Pantheon family type thing on like apple podcasts, APP? I couldn't find a way to find like all the show. No, go go to the Pantheon website and then just, and then like look at the shows announcer, they're the same thing they're they're everywhere apple spotify. Okay. They don't remember where you can go and on the parkway you can you can sign up off you can subscribe to the Pantheon feed and so what they do is they kind of that feed features a road leading. Yeah Hod cast. So the kind of a sampler platter. Out there so and they're on twitter they're all Pantheon podcasts also on twitter and facebook you can check it all out there. Well Yeah. Thanks to them for for the the support and What do we do now? Well, we have one more thing that were sell at were drinking champagne because of do let's play the theme. Song field. Play the. The. World's greatest podcast theme song. Right here. This is our Neil Young cast where we mostly talk. Him through. Mr. Treats treats treats like shoe. On. Trans and RBIS. Ghana Sam. Oh the. For some verge you try to clap at Ya I have no rhythm whatsoever, I have as much rhythm as Degar Garmin K. welcome to long young. The only Neil young podcast is covering Neil Young's full on recorded catalog of music one album at a time. Our tenth episode again thanks the Pantheon podcast. You can follow us on facebook. The Long May you young page? We're also on twitter and Instagram at long may you young You can also check us out. We post up up on the Neil Young sub, read it on read it and a very, very special guest on the podcast and a little bit. IT'LL BE MR NILS? L. Off Grin behind enough to join us for the podcast such an amazing and legendary musician. Who has contributed a great deal to some of Neil? Young's greatest music he's on he's on the rushmore of Neil a hundred. Yeah. Absolutely. Nails and incredibly nice kind even through just through the phone. Right just tell he's just a sweet. He's a just a guy who loves what he does. been loving what he's doing with his life and we were all sort of saying to him. You know he's one of the underrated best guitarists. Yes. Just if you listened to his new album that's coming out whether August twenty first, it's live. It's called weather some of the finest. Album to John We've been talking to guitar playing. He's great singer to God. Yes. Very distinctive voice got a great band I will say this no offense to kneel whose voice I love. But my wife does not appreciate like me I was playing some of nils sings Neil. uh-huh she says. He should kneel just have him saying his. She loves she loves her some nils. That is a good album though, oh, it's great. Great you were playing someone when we walked in and that of. Don't be denied. Yeah. He likes slows it down. Really. Good. So that's coming up here in just a little bit but we're also gonNA talk about decade the up a little bit which was. A starting point for so many people when it comes to Neil young music for me. Album. Cover. ICED. Like a super popular poster people have it was one of the first of its kind as far as like a greatest hits or compilation because it was just. So extensive and Neil had a great deal to do with about it. The art work when I was when I was eighteen, I worked fulltime in a full-service gas station and they had a CD player in. The. Other room that played in the gas stations you'd go inside the building to you. He had like ten CDs my boss did I only recognized two of them. One was Bob Dylan's blood on the tracks and the other one was Neil Young's decade and I played decade nonstop, and that's how I I got into Neil like beyond the ones that I knew you played it until it burned. Yeah. I. Played that thing like a broken Arrow Oh. Dear. Like A, what do you play a broken? Arrow possible could play a broken. Arrow. Anyway decade. Was My let me turn. Instead to add at. Adding upon double. With. Luke's thing. It's right. He does the dad jokes on the Pun Pun on your pun. Pundit. He's on the net he punted it. Okay. So that's we're going to be talking about that coming up here in just a little bit and then before that. Do you WanNa get to side? What are you pundit? Alexander Pundit now doesn't work? No No. Sorry. Thom Dad. And I can't really Tom Cruise in Tucson big news. Oh, clearly put the headphones on. My daughter is in my daughter wanted to come by and. Hang out because she didn't want to be at home alone, she's going to hang out with us but thankfully she's she's put her headphones on. This is what it's like the time it was the third son and she's like I'm going to outright man this is terrible. Why would people want to listen to this? She was she she's not wrong. She was with us. Of Boy guys knows loft. Nils we talked to nils lofgren. Get chills when he was talking some of the stories he told, yes absolutely. She was just laughing Oh. My God we're hearing this first hand. It was great. But the thing is the problem is we we had a minor hiccup. Talked to nils Mike dialed the wrong number and we ended up talking to this guy. Nails and forum everything now but I do for you who is this? Artist nail nail nails emporium nails lofgren. Walkman. Now. We got everything with nails. You've got ten penny now. Nine hundred ninety now taking a long. On email. I think we got the wrong. The wrong nails. Wanted Nils not now wanted either nils or nine inch nails lofgren. nigger dry noses my brother half brother but yeah. So. So do you also play the accordion sold? What's that? Do you play the accordion? no. I. Don't play anything except for like the ten pounds Dale. If, you've ever heard of that. Can you tell me a little bit? So essentially, it's a bunch of nails. into a would different length and you tap on it with other nails pretty night you tabloid with other now the Hammer. You can. I'm trying to run a business here. Okay. I'm not GonNa take a joke you can bring. We're we were looking for nils lofgren. We'll talk to you for another few more minutes. You can hear us right. You can hear the three of us. Yeah, there's like a little bit of an echo going on I think, but it's not too bad but you can make it out. You're having a good conversation with us. Yeah I. can hear what you guys are saying. You know what Mike Shula you try saying something. Do. You have a what kind of flatheads do you have? Always. flatheads. So we got along flatheads fat. We got short fat head. Okay. We often have the. Okay We also get the to throw this out there for you guys. I don't sound like you might be we also we have a guy that just does nails to main like fingernails pedicures, manicures take your. flatheads type of screw. So you have nails and screws your nails important. We've been guy. We don't deal with screw. Okay. I'm running I'm running God on business you're, and if you guys bring up something that's not about now I'm out we'll have you ever flathead nail then. Had now. I don't know what? I didn't. Point pretty common now. flew. A. Mike how did you screw up how you call nails lofgren Number manager screw I didn't sorry I didn't mean to listen to nails I didn't mean say screw this. Hold on one second I just got to put you on hold real quick. Head out the now he's got online. I remember. If you can't now we can. Point there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Don't. Run. A business that's okay. Hey, nails can you hear that crazy buzz I got going? I don't hear a buzz. I. Did hear a slight like delay Echo. That's about all. Okay and if you guys are into music too I also saw amount of the Christian rock out for. Public by. The now. Do you Do you have to key? Yeah. We're big GARMON key fans via and key k around do you. Think D., and key works dean key. Key. You're probably GonNa want to talk to someone from like He might. Write like. I've said I feel stupid talking to a nail guy about key. L. Right. All. Right nails. Are. You related to nils? His half brother. But we have the same last name. So go figure. Yeah, that's that's crazy. That's crazy nails. Also, can help you. Remember like I always say you can't now call your can what. What about hammers do you have hammers? we don't. Anything else me I know he's curry his. On his brand and I understand that that's yeah, we got that now. We if we put in, if we brought in any hammered, we'd have to flick the out. Now for hammered right, and then you have to change all the signs and the business cards and the the Internet advertising. Guys. Right. How many hammer you gotta find a lifetime birthday comedy nail gotTa buy a good point. You know what? That's why That's why you're the boss over at nails and emporium him and we just. WanNa talk to you. What's your favorite song that your brother does? Half brother. My favorite. I don't know what he plays I. Don't listen to any of that crap. What's your favorite band? Then who do you listen to? Oh. I love Bob. Already set it but nine and south pretty good anything nails related. That's all you do you only live. Fans with nails and the title there is a band called the nails. Your Nails Lofgren ripe now, kind of hear your brother. My Name's Mike. Shoe. But I've never sold a shoe in my life I should try. Maybe maybe well, I may have done a commercial and. You'd never turned back. Maybe that's why I'm not a successful because I didn't go after what I was born to really do I mean me and did sell condoms for a while. They were a letter. Off. Yeah. That's very true. That's probably why didn't pick man now last letter really matter it really does I would have worked to the condom brothers. Yeah. You know I had like a like like a food truck but instead of food, I was condoms with your faces on the side would have been a bad representation of the brand though with my five children. In your three. We. Have you know anything about us? We just called you ingest. Guy That's got you guys got three typically he sounded. It or not you? Nailed it nails as. Well we you taking the time nails really. You really nailed it dude, thank you. Ever need anything with don't forget to give us a call right now and we'll be glad to take care of it. I. Remember if you can't it, we sure can. There that's awesome. Thanks nails. And that was our interview with couldn't believe that I I, I was like maybe. Cut Nails emporium next to nils and his contacts so like he gave me that number by accident. Weird. Oh I think it's super weird. They don't carry one. No hammers no screws don't bring up screwing Berry. Upset we bring screws screwed now. The guy's got a mission. You know he loves what he does. What was the catchphrase I don't remember it's you know. If, you can't nail it. We will if you can't. Do. That I'm sure they'll be voicemail next week about how Special thanks. To. Nails nail militias. Auburn Geez now nils. Here's this episode he's going to have to hear that we. Do, this podcast. Wild through tenth episode and we have Nils Lofgren on ten. Yeah. Is that surprising I? Think we're pretty awesome. fucking long. May you young banks tonight thanks to Mike. Thank you shoe for making. What that is that is like. You, it will always be no if you never ask. It's like how nils snuck backstage when he was seventeen don't give away too much. Says Mr Lofgren will you do our podcast for us? So, can we talk real quick? We're GONNA get to the interview but I know there'll be some stickler. We understand that decade is not technically the tenth album. We Americans Stars in bars came before it. And it's a compilation, but it's called decade. Tenth. Episode, we have an interview that we're going to play for you in just a few minutes here. So we just figured we'd do decade on the tenth episode. If you have a problem with that, then you can politely just write about it to us and we won't. Yeah. A lot of people love to review us. And? Review. If you want it and we'll like our policy says, if you give a five star review will read whatever that review is like that guy who wrote who killed Aaron Hernandez? So we'll read whatever you have. I. Mean. If you give us five to read our latest five star reviews. Yes. please. Let's go to the race. This is from someone named hurry up Wallaby. Australian Australian, should I read it in Australia read it like our shrift and Australian terrible. Drying. headline just as. I'm assuming Neil Young, but it could be new year's I don't New York or New York. Fan probably might be Yankees fan probably, Neil. Fan. He's a five star review he or she says I've only listened to ten seconds first episode but instantly felt as if I were if I were sorry. But instantly felt as if I were home immediately hilarious it's awesome to have a show that gets how much I love this genius of an artist I've been waiting I've been waiting for a Neil centric podcast in was thrilled when I saw this. Ny read it. So let's read it. Nice. Well, thank you very much. That's awesome and Wallaby it reminds you of home which tells me your home was filled with with drunk astles. With. All of these with we're both. Wallaby. Or maybe just played a lot of. Man Maybe. Maybe Donkey Ball is Australian. No. No, that's Wallaby Ball. Volleyball Ball wombat. Kangaroo Ball Stop Gang Guru balls. News Locker says, yeah really. Come on. We gotta be like Perot now because mills is a pro, you want to address any other social stuff. Do you guys have? I've got stuff actually from read it there's a great Neil Young sub, read it on read it just search it out. We post the episodes up there. There's a lot of great folks on there who commented now our last episode we covered a long may you run the stills young band? Neal's best thing he's ever done and Mike, Opinion and my my opinion, right? The best thing he's ever done to make me physically ill is the long. May you young album or the song run? We love the song. The song that you run right? Exactly. Up playing the old they can't. It can't get any sexier than that. It really can't I'm glad I'm drinking champagne dot sexy. But you know I posted on on facebook and then read it and I started out with the little blurb saying. Did Neil Young and Stephen Stills invent yacht rock. We talked about that which they did with the long run album. Would I think they did and I think we came to a little bit of an agreement that the sound was definitely taken by all those crappier bands it came out later sabotage. Like Air Supply and Christopher Cross. So let me get to the This is there were some people that were upset just mentioning that that obviously didn't listen. To The podcast or even listen to the long may you run out which is probably better people for it? So, let me get to this guy. So this guy says without getting too deep on it. Might. Take a stills man with may have. Done Yacht Rock with something like Southern Cross. But Neil's voices two shrill for true yacht rock maybe something like heart of gold. But even that would be a stretch with the voice and the Harp I. Think. That was from Bob Neal and Van. and. Then walk like giant said. Love this episode wasn't sure how you'd handle a less than stellar neil record after a string of masterpiece albums love the humor here. Insert back to the future to jacket voice here. Love the. Jackets now I can't wait for trans. Oh. Speaking of Neil Tattoos. I met a guy at farm aid back in September happen. I'm sorry who had the words long? May you run etched across his entire bag for for the record new? Cool. That's kind of Cool I. Think I wonder if I think Luke Tim and I might seriously consider. I'M GONNA I'm definitely getting a Neil Tattoo for sure tim. Same. As another member of the town meeting banned sale he also says, you're gonNA need that sense of humor as you work your way through the eighties, he's not wrong. Never been more right actually Hasek Hasek says the closest Neil gets to yacht rock when he collaborates with CSM and or its members I'm thinking sail away specifically, which by its title is very why are. Other than this, I can't think of anything else long may you run? is about old beat up cars the exact opposite of luxury definitely not true right. So I was among is I responded have you made it past the worst song? The rest of the album is a blueprint for yacht rock listen to ocean girl midnight on the Bay and Black Coral make sure you're wearing your shoes and Tommy Bahama shirt and then HASIC. Comments back okay. So after further listening I, get a completely I was working from memory when I wrote my initial response and was under estimating your memory wants to hold on song me you were such a great song of course. Yeah. Also I like what what nils had to say about long yes, which is coming up here very soon and neil did literally get quote on board with the yacht life in the mid Seventies. What was called the coconut rum, the evening coconuts the to Okinawa to that's the name of the drink he made up by the way. All right. The coconut it's. Her SECO- squirt and Malibu and shaved. which was the name is bill. You know what? In in some kinda coconut liqueur and then the serve the midnight on the. Coca. From Tall Banana Oh that's right it's gotta be Tall Banana. You're right Russ. Perfect. He says, this Hassett goes on to say midnight by the Bay nil hold on Mike Nils if you're still listening, we are getting your interview I apologize. He's probably going Oh i. hate that album everyone by weathered yes. I'm going to buy that for sure by the way. Rules says midnight by the bay. The only thing that detracted from the textbook why are script is that Neil starts blowing on his harmonica at the end I guess nobody told Neil that Sax Solos were waste sexier and then goes black coral has congas mentions water all good there ocean girl quote will be drinking bananas from Long Tall Glasses in the open air I think that line speaks for itself. It might be Neal's worst lyrics of his strongest decade stills ramps up with the sex factor with that funky rhythm it's not as bad as there's sharks over there. From. Shark over this right. I'm sorry that's our shock over there. Who wrote that? Sorry, who who just wrote that? That was Hasek on the. Neil Young. Sub Reddit. On read it. We had some on facebook to right there was. Stuff I don't know if you can find the the long. May you young page on facebook and WanNa read the one where someone said it was our best episode. I can't find it. because you made it up, know someone really said that. I swear someone said are. You Young. Episode was Best Episode Here I'm looking at up right now. I do did you. I posted the trailer for mountain top. Have you seen that that looks wicked good. It's about the recording AH Colorado. No, that's amazing though. The trailer Neil's like you know why even bother you know we're Goddamn rock and roll band why can't you make it louder I mean he's like yelling at the engine. Guys Shit what? We screwed up with the title of this podcast. Why are we had someone comment that say it's long may you run oh? Yes. Young where idiots. That's the this person named era. I won't say her last name the best there. Thank you for reaching out to us. But I actually responded to her and I said we're pretty sure it's long. May You young and we've done pretty extensive research right and then Mike you wrote I thought it was long. May You Mung? Yeah. Because you love being beans, right? Yeah and then you also said that Stephen Stills would call it extra long. He'd want you to know it'll be extra long but I thought it was Apropos to tell you that I. Actually think that you were getting confused with our other podcasts and long may you Chung right about the catalog of Wang Chung Right which we do At a record that on. But we don't post it. No, we don't. We don't want to be selling. We don't even record it. You know you don't sell out like that you when you're talking about the Chung. talked. About the Chung that's how I refer to Wangchuck might the I'm cruising down to get my evening coconut down at the local Douche bar and I'm cranking the Chung. You know I got my shoes on we're about a half an hour and now when people are like get. With mills all right. I'm sorry you WanNa just hop to it or What do you got rose just because we're trying to cover all grounds. Let me read one thing from instagram message Alec, I could probably GonNA put your last name I apologize. Men Men. No. Minogue in you definitely put your M. A. N. O. Whatever I don't know what it is, but it's not he says, I bet you guys either have him on or get an interview before it's all over I. Think He'd love it speaking talking about Neil. And I. also I said I responded said that would obviously be a dream come true but I don't know about that I would hope he would but you never know Fucking Neil man right and he said video interview with good. Old. Neil produced by Daryl Hannah just waiting. Matte, all my God harvey so now. On the Neil Young archives up with a question, Mark News. Of course subscribers. You know if Darryl was like behind the camera on that, I, would just be like so sorry Neil in splash. You know they put it a fake, ass. WanNa, go. Did that was your ass no one they put it on his name plus they did a fake they like did some already covered it up as it went to? Like four or five years ago I wrote a stupid little like some stupid they did like some bad. Paving suit on helper I haven't seen it, but I saw some. Lame four or five years ago. I did a stupid little skit about a guy named Daryl Hannah and everyone's saying like the actress and he's like, no, no darryl is a guy's name right one. Makes more sense for me is. But that was the extent of the bit. Hammond. Brilliant. Yes. So brilliant comedian famous titties are we don't need to go through the right? Best Therapists we're. GonNa. Though. I just want to read this one from twitter from Roger. Sky Says he tweeted back. A listening to your time fades away podcast. Just heard you slam my town Des Moines where I saw young in on that tour one of my thirty shows anyway. I. Cast Moines who slammed Des Moines I don't know. I'd probably. It's just I don't know I must have been like I seventy. From Moines. I just made that that makes two of our listeners or from Des Moines. Don't Demean des Moines Hey. Hey don't be des Moines. I didn't take it seriously anyway because he's spelled slam with an e. on the hey friend of mine don't Des Moines O p Damore don't be des Moines Duh Duh Duh Duh Duh the boy Kirke. This. All right. Do we have anything else? Is Interview with Nils Line. So nils lofgren got a new album coming out. It's called weathered. It's a live album if I've listened to it, it's really it's amazing his guitar. Player. And is amazing, right? He's fantastic. So he was kind enough to come on with US and. Lou Reed to Oh. Yeah. Those are on their to. To in the interview, he did blue with Lou lashing right? Well, that was the tour for that that he earned. Yeah. But there are songs on whether I. think that. From the written So he was kind enough to come on with us and talk about his experiences with Neil and other experiences. He's had with frigging legend left and right, and it was just talk about like Chuck Berry and the. Other, I know yeah Jerry Lewis all. Simpsons. The Simpsons that's right. Come back on. Yeah. We'll see we'll. See, we'll try to get his hands. Next album is trans right I. Think so. Yeah I think that's the next one. He's kind of like he was definitely a part of it. He mentions it in a few interviews but anyway, let's get away from those interviews and get to this interview. Is Nils Lofgren and. We're so honored. Yeah, we were very honored. Hello. Nils lofgren please. Knows Nells, sites, Mike Shoe, and Luke, and Russ Khandan from the long may you young podcast? We had an interview set up for four. Yeah. This is my land line is that you get an okay sync signal you sound loud and clear surgery. Yeah. Great good and I'm sorry who what are all the names are speaking to? My name is Mike. Mike. Luke, Luke Skywalker and and Russ. Right, great all right and Charn as some music off here. Are you listening to You know what? I'm listening to the pretenders. Shock they got a new album out I I was I kind of befriended them on their first US tour and jam with them a bit. Stayed Close Through all the drama, the sadness and the funerals we lost Jimmy, and he And but you know there's still an amazing band Christie's one of my favorite singers and writers and I bought an album Kind of a jazz torch. A number of months ago there was really beautiful again, featuring that voice and then I just noticed I pre-ordered a couple of weeks ago just popped out there was a preorder for a new pretenders album. So I mean, I'm not even sure I've been meaning to. Reach out and ask where where the heck you find time to make an album during a pandemic but. It's great music and it's always good to hear a great band that's been around that long. and. So that's what I was listening to actually. Shines some CD's and my new album and getting ready to ship them out and excited to have some. A new live show out to share but Wrong, may you young sounds great right in my alley, right? Yeah. I know you know a little bit of something about Neil Young and you know we'll talk about but we're we're all. We're also to talk about weathered which comes out on August twenty first and which sounds amazing. But can I just say I think it's awesome that you? Buy. Albums I know like you must have some kind of connection where you could get this stuff for free but you you like preorder stuff by the albums and Stuff. Yeah and I think that's fantastic that you're still supporting your. Sick to my older. I I just wouldn't I there's not of. Booze, or pills to get me to a point where I'd call a friend and say, Hey, can you send me one your records free? Not that I would You know ever that would never enter my mind so. I mean, I go to shows of course, less than the pandemic but you know we never ask for free tickets we like to support our. You know fellow artists and musicians and people who go through the trouble of travelling to our town. In this case, it's PHOENIX, Scottsdale Tempe area. But a lot of good music through but yeah, court of course. I. Buy Records and music, and that's one of the Nice things about High tunes even though the sound quality is not good if you. Remember some tune from fifty five years ago or some obscure thing and he just dying here. There's a good chance. You can find it at least initially and That's one of the good things about technology pros and cons, but anyway. To support my fellow musicians. I gotta say just a quick shameless plug off the top here luke and I are brothers I'm Russ speaking here and we're in a band ourselves called town meeting and we're heavily influenced by Neil obviously, and you in the Horse and with Bruce and everything you're heavy influence on us but. We really appreciate that you even someone to your stature that goes out and supports the live music in that way that that especially in a time like this, that means the world to people like us who are, yeah, who have been struggling and you know we're not at that level but we you know we do okay and and it's still it. It's just really great and refreshing to hear that folks like you and even neil do so much for. For people like us like nine in a in a band to who are still out there still struggling and trying to make things happen in the in the best ways we can't. It means a lot to say so and also as someone who's in a band with not one but two of my brothers I I saw that you are in a band with your brother. and. I'm just wondering we have our ups and downs and for the most part, it's actually like very rewarding and refreshing. I'm wondering what your experience has been with playing with family. We know I've been lucky I on the oldest four boys. had. Incredible Mom and dad and grow up in a really great household with a lot of love and common sense. And you know Boundaries that were very practical and we we couldn't have better parents. So all my brothers play Tommy became professional, and of course, joined granted a very young age but I've always got along great with my brothers i. mean maybe when we were, you know five and six I was pushing him around but they go quickly got a lot bigger than me. Early. Yea. Kicks, you could do like a front flip and then kick him in the head or something. None of that. Mike and mark taught themselves to play and sing great they. They do music on their own they right and whenever we play at Birch Mayor in Alexandria Virginia or any DC shows they all four brothers are up singing together, which is grassing. We've got our mom down to probably a dozen shows and even my dad over the last twenty thirty years and You know we lost my mom or year and a half ago but just being you know not too long not to. To early before that, we got her to a a show to see saul and Koos tickly, and then going through with the ban we did my brothers to a great version of the Hank Williams song mind, your own business. So that was. Great, one to pull out and get on the record. But yeah, I've been blessed to get along great with my brothers. We we seem to the to disagree with a lot of you know understanding and respect and dignity, and it's just been. My best friends and I've been really blessed because I of course I have a lot of friends that struggle more and more name when you throw in the band thing that can bring in some stuff that's separate from you know sibling libraries just sometimes in a ban that's part of a good band is you're not afraid to throw out different opinions on the table. Take a look Adam and figure out what's best for the whole. We could talk about that for for hours. Yeah. We'll talk we'll talk about your your brothers. On and what they're doing on weathered coming up here but we want to do if we could since this is this podcast what we are doing we're going through. Neil's catalog. Album by album in order of release and we've done everything up. Everybody says that why do they? Wow or what's wrong with you but we've gone up through and Zuma was no Zuma and then we. Did this long? May you run just briefly only because the podcast is named is named after that after the sign but. So that's what we do here long may you young and we've talked a lot about you and your contributions to to Neil's music in this point. So I if we could just do a little fact check first of some things we said so you met neil when you were seventeen, the story is you you I saw an interview where you it was snuck backstage. Yeah it was It was at a point where my band grin was I'd left high school and we were looking for record deals playing all over DC and We were about to go to La for a record deal I had to have it or sneaking in and asking. Professionals and heroes for advice because I knew nothing about the business. So Neil played a place called the shelter door. Washington DC ride snuck in many times seen muddy waters and seeing. Tim. Harden. Actually. Drove Tim around town. I. Loved it was an easy. It was kind of a nondescript restroom stairs around a bend. So I walked in on Neil and crazy horse and. I was just kind of not being best s forever saying, look my band is struggling. We're trying to get something going and just looking for some advice we're headed out la and a you week. So Anyway Neil Gaming Guitar missing some songs you said singing another thing another. Next. Thing. I know he got me a cheeseburger and a coke. Table for. For chewed for the last couple of days of a stand I saw four shows hung out in the afternoon with him at the hotel and you know you said when you tell looked me up and he called me from the road just quite amazing. You know to have him in my corner shirt and true to his word when I got la he you know hook me up with his producer David Briggs and the short stories I after kicking around some rental homes and Hollywood Laurel Canyon and East Hollywood. I wound up going out today and crashing on his floor. To Panga as grin made our way David Bridges our producer and it was during that timeframe a year later when I was eighteen. Neal and David astronaut to work on the after the gold rush project. So you know a lot of. Fast and furious. Great stuff. Thanks to you know Neal and David Briggs. One thing I wanted to sack is that you went into the after the gold rush sessions thinking you're going GonNa play guitar and Neil Sprung on you that you were actually going to be playing the piano I've heard different stories. Now, I I've read up that you've already knew how to play the piano somewhat. But is that true where you ready to you just assumed or you're GonNa play guitar and then ended up having to Play the keys it's a, it's a bit more new ice in that basically David. Game Yeah heads up that I might be hearing from Neil about her new project he was on but when. One of the best records of volt. Yeah, it is a great one. When they called me You know I had no preconceived notions really but I wasn't a piano player at the time I mean I. Take all around and dishing sessions I on on a grin record. But I really wasn't a piano player I was an accordion player and when Neal called he mentioned playing guitar playing piano and singing and You know at that point I was just thrilled to be asked to participate but you know when I got out to La this is back I was visiting my folks and he called my parents House will make court in Bethesda Maryland. And I was headed back to La Anyway, but I got together with Neal. And David and they said, you know and I told them guys you know I'm not really a piano player because I remember the. Said, I'd be playing piano and they both. Had known me for over a year. Now, I saw him almost every day I was living with David and they knew my accordion history I'd studied classical for ten years and enter contests for a couple of years, and so they thought look, we just need some simple parts. We like your sense of melody and Rhythm we think you can handle some simple piano part. So at that point, I knew to be quiet and just say thanks so much. I'll do my best instead of insisting they. Find Professional Piano. Great and you're you're also eighteen at this time. Correct. Yeah I was seventeen when I met Neil and headed out. Somewhere in there sort surely out a few weeks after I met him at his shows But when we did after the gold rush hours eighteen yeah it was A. First Year with grin making our way with David, is our producer making demos looking for record deal and it was it was quite an extraordinary. Chapter to get to make that record with Ralphie of course, from Crazy Horse Molina, and a great Gregory's on base. meets I am very simple on piano or crucial guitar, few numbers, and of course, Neil doing all the great color up top with those great songs. One other thing I wanted to fact check with you and that's about Greg Reeves who Everyone just describes as an amazing Bass player but there is a story I believe it was in a Jimmy McDonough's book shaky where George Reeves showed up to one of the sessions completely painted gold. You. mean. Greg Raves Gregory's Yeah I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I'm not I'm not I can't confirm or deny that. I. Was So over well, don't. Mostly plan piano I literally would practice day and night John. Locke. Their piano player for spirit had a front porch. A screened in Porch with an old upright. We literally put a sleeping bag on the porch I. Would you know walk there from Davis, House and practice when I wasn't at the studio with Neil I would just practice trying to stay up to speed on these. New Songs. So you know even if he did I probably would've missed it because I was staring. Neil and listening to the group and figuring out well, you know what to do on the Piano I've heard that story before I, can't confirm. Actually. Focused on on making it. Sound good. Oh. Avenue Schmidt I wasn't you know this is my first professional session. Had My hands full there. I know you've actually been asked this question before because I saw a couple interviews but I wanted to I want to get back to the accordion but I do know that for me after the gold rush is is actually probably my top if not, it's tied. But but after the gold rush is to me one of the best albums of all time. When we were going through all these albums together to do this podcast and we got to this one I was very excited and was was diving into learning more about you and saw the whole according I want to get back to that. But the thing I wanna ask you about right now which I found amazing when I saw this was that you were responsible for one of the best songs off of that record. which again is one of the best records of all time in you added the the Polka seem that the polka timing chains, you and Ralph Ralphie when you were just messing around and I wanted to ask you about that because that to me is one of the best parts of the song that timing change. Yeah I would think you and I. Are the only ones that would call it the poker part but I think everyone else will will refer to it as double time. Didn't. But it's other man I. Course man. Yeah you know. Again, they would Take lunch breaks or whatever go up on the patio and I would stay back by myself practicing the piano and One of these days. Ralphie. Ralphie was back there with me and We were doing southern man in the halftime. Bomb. Bomb. But we did the half. We had a nice nice jam for about a half an hour and I got kind of. I just felt like I'd I'd done all I could with the halftime format. So I got the idea from the old you know IMPA anti accordion days and double time my left hand and Ralphie in. Felt it went to double time back. It's. I was blown away by that. And it was. It was funny because. We. Hold on one SEC. Good here on nil says the same thing going on we do. I. Totally fine. Here alone running our little. Ship in. The middle. Of. Pandemic. We rely busier than we thought we'd be. Yeah. So So we were really into a pretty relations jam with that double time feel like a motown beat or something and right up my alley from all those according years and Neal and David came back from. Lunch. Gregg. They're like what the hackers out because it was feeling good and so that's southern, the POLKA beaten and. They laughed and I meant just to get a laugh but neil did say that feels great. Let's kick into that field at the solo break back down the half time for the verse last verse, and then at the end after a couple of riffs let's kick back into that double time. Ralphie and out on that field and the Solo and it was neat that my you know. My some people wouldn't for two is square accordion lesson days led to a cool arrangement change. One of those classic songs of meals it's it's incredible man I as a drummer myself I always picked up on that even when I was young and it just was like man I really loved that timing change and it's so cool to learn that it's from from Polka and from your according. To was just such a you know. Coca, groove I played. So may I learned so many waltzes and poker's Have you ever collaborated with have you ever collaborated with weird Al Yankovic on any poke ideas I have not, but he's he's certainly a good accordion play. Quite hilarious. When he's on, it's quite. He makes a lot of man but I I still play the accordion. Real love the instrument it you know really served me well. Even when I Go out on the road. Recently on my last acoustic tour, I brought the accordion along and would play flight of the Bumblebee. The last few years that was one of the pieces I had to learn for contest. And to me a long time to get it back and of course, there's no judges analyzing the hell Outta what I'm doing here just having audience this. Great. That's grateful. You're trying to entertain them but I I love playing according to with Neil on helpless. There's another great moment on the Tonight's the night tour. where? You know. David, we brought along a little accordion little red accordion. And I, I hadn't used it but When one of those nights because we were planning to tonight's the night album front toback. And people weren't familiar with it. We were in England they wanted to hear all the hits. They almost saw you know as blasphemy some of. Neo was trying to turn them onto something brand new with the tonight tonight project and you know rarely You know it would get. So adversarial that Neil would get a little upset about it and at one got particularly angry and he sent the whole band off stage. and. I think he might have told the audience book we're trying to share something new for you. We should give us a break, but anyway, he walked back out an acoustic guitar he he wasn't happy about. This, kind of shutting our showdown. And He started playing helpless. And it was beautiful and it was what the audience wanted and he was just going to give them a taste. after that you know he said, okay, you mind. If I try to turn you on what I felt like is that alright and we went back brought the band out. But during helpless David Briggs said, get your accordion and I didn't even know I didn't even think past that I brought it over and said, put it on and get out there right away and start applying. David I can't walk out on Neil without being invited. You said not be great. It'd be great and start getting an argument on the side of the stage I feel like the accordion is one of the most under rated instruments out, and then then it got to the point and I still remember vividly because you know we we smuggled in some Tequila gold and tie way was like the head space for the tour and all of a sudden I got to a point where David was so urgent and pushy about it. I realize that you know I'd rather walk out and you know. Surprise Neil and get into a fight with David on the side of the state. So I Walked out in the middle of helpless and played along, and it was a beautiful moment and you know we've done it many times at Brit school benefits. Other Times too I. Think we did at the MTV. unplugged. And I always thought picking up the accordion hang to hendrix lot of cool things such as I get to do that too. So thank the accordion It led to a great opportunity to do my first professional. Kano playing on after the Gold Rush Right which is wild and I'd be remiss speaking of helpless to not bring up the band because as a drummer singer leave on helm is my idol but garth Hudson to is to me one of the most underrated most genius incredible musicians of all time also an accordion player and I just didn't know if you had any cool stories about garth. Or leave on or the band 'cause helpless is to me the best performance on the last waltz and what an extraordinary film that is and I. I was blessed to Look we're all in this you know sixty grew up with their incredible array of music renaissance. In course, the band was the top top of the list with a lot of greats and I got to see them play on their first tour at Constitution Hall in DC didn't know them at the time but years later in eighty nine, I got to be an abandoned Yvonne for four months. We did the first Ringo Starr. Ringo. Play you know the way in cripple, creek ferry and we did a beautiful rain in my heart with Rick Danko Shane. But leave on Orlando's first all star Band along with me. Joe Walsh Clarence Clemens. And just extraordinary band. Billy Billy. Preston. Dr. John. Jim Kelly. And sometimes, we'd have three drummers would leave on play Mandolin whatever he did. It was so soulful an effortless and Levi was such a sweet guy too. He was always I was so thrilled to be around you know band of my heroes and every night have a party in his room didn't matter of nobody came the door was open. He'd always call room service and say Gimme two of everything. They didn't really understand and I don't care just bring two of everything. I used to love after the show you know going back and Alan off thrown onto dry shirt going to leave on his room and just hang out. With this, you know. Beautiful. Singer songwriter player, and get to be in a band for months with him. It was. His favorite. I really appreciate you telling me that man he he. Leave on and I've only ever heard those stories just how soulful and how kind and yeah I'm a drummer singer like I said in. So he to me is is the top of the line there's no one better I appreciate that story knows thank you I. I agree it was just extraordinary sometimes to turn around and just see you know leave on Helm Jim, Keller, and Ringo Starr playing altogether. And it was I I gotta say you know with that cast of characters me Joe Walsh. Clarence. Rick Danko Oh my God Talk Billy Preston Dr John Leave on. You can imagine I remember still at a SL, our studio instrument rentals in l. a. where we you know through the show together and about eight nine days in a whirlwind that we do vocal rehearsals and we'd all sit down on a couple of couches in a square meter Joe. tars we'd all sing and to hear that group that I've got cast of characters singing. Together with with you know outside of the band who is still one of the most stirring inspiring sounds I've ever owned artists participate literally have chills man. You are blessed. Well. Let me let me. This is a good way to segue into weathered the new live album. It's coming on August twenty first and. Recorded all over the country you have a great Ringo story on weathered. Can we talk about that I know you don't want to be like a spoiler alert, but I just think it's it's such a great story. About Ringo visiting. Yeah that was You know that's a song that one of my favorites and amy's amy usually asking him to play that at the shows girl in motion better songs. It's Also as and other another sidebar to it there was a song. Called walking nerve that Ringo played this incredible shuffle beat on Jim Calvin expound on how unlike the most drummers do a train role with two hands Ringo, had one arm just during the Bhakti and all the internal shuffling was done with one hand which Jim Thought was really extraordinary and unusual but it was just a pet groovy had that he just nailed and we used to. Play. The the Riff, my guitar riff, the The chords on the tour we used to do it the sound checks and you know Ringo and I got into a good groove with it. Way Way before I even wrote the lyrics because it was kind of a soundcheck riff we play and Billy Preston would play this great. Oregon and sing the Beatles Song She's a woman. My job. My Love don't kidney presence and he's saying that to the walking nerve music and Ringo to be playing that great shuffle beach. So anyway. Qua- fast forward to when Kevin, McCormack IRA in the studio cameras producing the silver lining album got the song written and. Down and eventually the three of us live in a room just look facing each other cut that track ride that's the live vocal and kept a real earthy no drunk, no drunk trag no tracks none of that and It was quite stirring for being cabinet shit. They're looking at ringo playing drums. One of our tracks with us and it came out great while but earlier rally we were. You know he came early in the day to hang out with us and we were tracking girl and motion. we were trying to get live vocals and it was just three of us just kind of like I did my last blue with new album with Kevin and Andy live in the studio. For, live vocals and we did A. Kevin. Had this great. Harm monarch riff that he wrote for the song which really made it and really hard on his hand. But we kinda did take lives I caught a good solo at the end saying it pretty well, and it felt really special and we literally played. So you know Kevin's arm almost fell off because there was a difficult part and we went into listen and you know Ringo sitting there and listening along with us and. the track goes by and. Ends it feels pretty good and we're starting to look at each other and me and cavern thinking about what to add harmonies, guitars, keyboards, whatever and all of a sudden. You know the rooms quiet and Richie speaks of Ringo speak as well. You guys are done. We looked at him and. He was just like an announcement and like what do you mean he said well. That was beautiful. You're not gonNA screw it up. I had another challenge right? You just leave it alone. That was beautiful. Don't mess it up. And Kevin and I is producers who were inevitably gonNA probably spend days experimenting with additions and. We really really look at each other and went well. That's Ringo Starr the Beatles greatest body of recorded music in history. I guess we're done. Thanks Ringo Oh. That's. That track was finished. So that was very cool and that's that's a great great one to you know in in the new album weather, we did it has in the studio just to power trio going off jamming and that you know there's a lot of reckless interplay throughout the whole album which I loved to me. It's almost the centerpiece of weather because it's just I don't want to show any disrespect it like you know. Any other musicians or sending may Zoeller or anything but. Your Guitar Playing Sydney Meisel. That's it. I'm sorry guitar playing on. That is definitely some of the finest I've heard in any of the recorded music I've heard from you agree it is really. Yeah you know. We we weren't gonNA record I was I hadn't played with a live band a full band of my own been on the road. Of course, we're Neil and crazy horse and the eastern band done a lot of acoustic shows but. The first time I went out Notre fifteen years or the full band The idea came up Matt business sow mess said, you know then record this I said now I just WanNa Play I. Don't WanNa be worried about making a record I just WanNa. Go out go county town on the bus with a great fan and near the end of rehearsals at. Our home you know amy and I moved everyone on our property we rehearsing the garage studio really became a family and you know it was really aim you said look no, she got her record spanned because she was aware of my history from my brother to handy either Kevin to Cindy Cindy and amy I got to be really good friends on the wrecking ball tour. With Bruce and actually amy and I would go see the seeger sessions are a couple of times in Europe when I was on the road with my acoustic shows, amy went off from from our tour she she designs all are merged and sells it in England when we're on the road and she went off one night to see Bruce, the band, and then one night I got to see him too. But so we had a long history was cindy and it was You know thank Gosh Amy insisted we recorded just in case and because I really wasn't planning on having arrived record. I forgot about it matt or sound man got some good equipment recorded the shows and I just got into the space is intended, which was just be free jam have a ball with some dear friends and you know let it be reckless and fun and loose, and so I wasn't thinking about recording and it wasn't too way after we were done Matt sent me some rough mixes I still didn't think there'd be a record there but once they started listening I realize look there's something different vibe some special field going on with this cash the characters and I think we ought to share it. Incredible in in to me, you're a one of the most underrated best guitarists of all time and people wouldn't even know that you know when they hear a lot of tonight's the night they're hearing nils lofgren on Guitar It on speaking is some of the Best Guitar I, love that and neo kind of said the same thing to you that Ringo did I heard on that one where he was just like Yep that's it houses. No we that was even a a more extreme record when we got together, you know we call it our wake album because all of a sudden, all our friends were dying. Danny whitten all our heroes like Jimi Hendrix Sanders John. All. These people were and it was very dark record but it was kind of Cathartic and we all call the wake album and we we actually got together at. and. In East Hollywood and play pool you know sip Tequila and just commiserated about midnight and it wasn't until late at night and we get together and start doing these mini sets of songs really didn't even learn to well Neal and David came to us and said, look we're going to do an all live recor- I. Don't want people even learn the songs too well. Singing. Singing harmony and playing live at the same time. I want everyone deep down in because the second David Briggs with coach you say look. Stay, deep in it because the second neil gets avoid local feels ripe were completely done. There's not a single note that will be redone. No matter how bad it is. So stay down in and so that was the theme of the whole record trust each other we go to one end then sit around couches and Neil would show is you know two three four songs and then we go up and play him as a little set. And we wouldn't even the IT. I don't even want to learn the songs to wells to where there's my rift in the version. This is my riff in the course, and that's why you'll hear us all bobbing and weaving and you know me mostly piano than a lot more electric guitar than I played on after the goal rush which I played some acoustic no electric and We really let it hang out and. Went for some raw performances and and between that being the theme of the record and all of us brought in this you know rage and angst and sadness about all our friends and heroes dying that kept us in that space and we came up with something really special and it was Cathartic to it was it was kind of a healing. You know wake record as we call it the also very unusual brilliant chapter for Neil. It's one of my in my top five of Neil albums and it's just. It's hard to. Look I mean when we we went back these last seven shows last couple of years before we made the album Colorado started doing You know. We did only love can break your heart. Started, doing some songs from the tonight tonight almond, and after the gold rush and world on a string other fabulous one and it was really neat because on tonight's tonight course billy was there on base with Ralphie and me and Neil and of course, we really Miss Bank teeth but. Just, to have a ban were four, five, four out of the five victory even around anymore. I was GONNA. Say I ben Keith is one of my favorites as we've been doing this point cast I'm sorry I can't stop raving about Ben Keith I have no bad words about him. He's he is out Ben Benjamin Monster and a great sell another. Trans tour. Yeah. Great Singer and I got the thing his part on You know you you know Oh. Yeah. And I got to do bench part on that and he was one of my heroes being on Trans tour with Ban. He was another guy like leave on out to this show and always go to bench room have a drink and talk, and just you know man just be grateful to be alive and beyond the row with a great band Kinda reminiscent the show talk about you know what's coming down the road and just he was he was a gentle soul and a fabulous soulful player and singer to be on the road. absoluteness nils can I bring up keys don't go it's one of my favorites turns that you do it on your live album the live acoustic one in my opinion it's some of the Best Acoustic Guitar playing, I've ever heard recorded. Thank you. No problem. It's it's the truth and just speaking of people like Danny whitten and people who have passed. Do you think that song is solely responsible for keeping Keith? Richards alive? Oh absolutely not. I don't even know if he's ever this song. I know. No, he knows. I. Wrote One about him but I'm not even sure you've ever heard it I have met him on the stones tours. He's been very friendly and fact one one great night in L. A. Way back in the. Early nineties. He He. He saw me playing Ping Pong with the BRANFORD Marsalis I think it was he yelled a photographer to come and came over gaming. Haagen. Tell the to take a picture and he had to go do an interview and he was just so sweet and the he walked away and pointed me and the photographer said, make sure he gets a copy of that and photographer came up and got my information somebody shout in keep but you know there's no other I mean look Jimi Hendrix Keith Richer's is probably the biggest influences guitar lines. and. Yeah. I mean all all those guys and you know Jimmy. Jimmy and Clapton. Jeff Bac Roy Buchanan Albert King B B King. Soup I took my stuff from and then for the rhythm stuff you got you know George Harrison Pete Townsend Keith Richards all that two three note almost steamatic playing. It wasn't always just soloing. But when they play, they would create themes like write songs with they're playing are playing. So I was going to come up and that that era and get to see all those you definitely definitely carried that torch very very well, it's it's amazing and and this might be strange but I wanna you a quote. Of Yours that I, heard in an interview because we want to be respectful of your time here and but I just want to read this quote that I that you had given someone in an interview. You said it was they were year he was asking you about playing with all these famous people and you have in your shot and everything and you had said quote sex drugs, rock and roll and death that never had a big appeal to me I didn't really want to be famous I always saw it as a like a very serious venture cafe. Playing music as a musician and quote, and I can't tell you how much I and my brother and the music we make that quote means so much because in this business, and again, we're not anywhere near where you've gotten but. You come across that a lot of people who wanna be famous and people who just ended up happening to be famous. You think about Neil and that quote of yours there it. It really sums. I think this whole new record of yours up to as far as just being a lifelong musician in only really caring about the music and I really feel that shines through in this record of. Yours and I just thank you so much for all your stories and for the music that you've given to us throughout the years it and I know the the main public might not know you as well as Neil and Bruce or whatever. But the people that do we appreciate you and even if the main public doesn't know your name, they can hear you and you're very much appreciated and loved. Man, Rod create that you know I always. Again being a classical accordion player and finding this whole Improv blues way of life. Those players and the explosion of music which was really through the Beatles and stones I discovered stax volt, motown, even the. British invasion counterpart. In the states it was all to the Beatles and i. always looked at it. You know when I finally started I never in the mid sixties I was playing teen clubs doing top forty, which was great music back then, and it didn't occur to us to be a professional musician and it wasn't until I mean I kind of got off the classical accordion and turn on Iraq because the Beatles and stones less Flam. Quickly discovered all of it but it was really the night I went to see Jimi Hendrix I. We went to see the original who that and the opening acts were Herman's hermits and the Blues Magoo's. Herman's hermits were amazing had. The first five blinking suits? History of rock and roll stage, which is hilarious. But the WHO was extraordinary and then we all ran over to see Jimi Hendrix experience late show and Pete Townsend was in the audience and it was that night after seeing Jimi and the WHO I walked out of their process with the idea that I sixteen that I think I need to try to be around musician it never occurred. To anybody and none of us kids playing teen clubs ever thought like that in the mid sixties we idolize these guys but we certainly didn't think we could do it but did the possession never left me in fast forward a year later at seventeen I left my senior year about three weeks and went to Greenwich village and started knocking on doors began. My career is arrived musicians. You know before you know it I happen to walk in on Neil and you know year later my band is making our way with David Briggs and are doing after the goal rush and very, very lucky breaks and I do love to be in band. You know real person I thrive in that thriving audience with a great band. So taking this electric band weathered out with all these cast of friends and. You know I love doing acoustic shows and I've got really into it but you know you're constantly on your always playing you're always the center of attention and many many times I mean you'll hear me like sometimes and give the riffle just go on and on 'cause I'm just sitting there looking around and sometimes to many miles there's no I'm not even play and I'm just sitting there clap my hands. On to play. Thing also got. This great ban and I really soaked it up and enjoyed it and and that's that's why I think it was important to share mills has has the pandemic affected you at all as far as live shows as far as this album being released Well. We we decided to not Russia and salt. Lake now is a good time to share it because it's there's no end in sight. We originally thought look I. I was getting greedy because I was looking at maybe the best year and a half touring in my life Neil wanted to take crazy horse out he. He was able to book a show within a month and a half we had two and a half months work starting April twenty ninth in Chicago. We're going to go out and play and I just you know after the seven shows we did. I was chomping at the bit to get back out. Neil, and crazy horse from the record. Colorado. Record under our belts pretty much live in the studio like everything else and then I was gonNA maybe do a run at the end of the year with the weather band and You know we're all hoping and pretty optimistic next year Bruce Retake e-street out and it looked like I had this magical year and a half of off and on work that you know it was really be it's always great for my soul and it's good to work and It all went away. You know because a cold it and now amy and I were surprised how busy we are because people that would come and help here and there can come and we're doing a lot on our own. We got two other dogs and we're hunkered in man it's we're in for the long haul. We got a a bad situation or government handling a terribly and So all that stuff I. Mean my my hope and dream is to stay healthy and one day get to do all that again with all those cast of characters. That's not today. So I you know felt like it'd be really even more important to share something live with that kind of vibe and energy since none of us are out there able to do it safely. So before we let you go nils since you brought up the street band I've been reading. You mentioned that Bruce in the band have been working on some new stuff So say they get vaccine and everybody gets inoculated and the covert thing ceases to be danger and Neil and Bruce call you at the same time. Who Do you go out with? What odile follicle nightmare That was me. We're really not that meals. That's just Mike Sue just want. To save you from yourself. and. Not Try to. Delve into such a cruel question. Here's told you that I had a year and a half a work crazy horse. Band and the weather ban. Wasn't heartbreaking enough. You Come at me with a sorry. I'm sorry I was very curious I. Know I know. Obvious question. But that's a train wreck I. Hope I never. Nails I know we're we're winding down on time here. But I, I have been listening to Nilsson's Neil a bunch since we started this podcast and I just I wanted to say some of your versions and Neil songs are some of my favorite versions, your version a winter long and especially world on a string. Low Me away and I wanted to know do you have a favorite song of Neal's to cover if you had to pick one? You know there's so many of them There's some on that record that really you know the thing was. I didn't know if it would work. I really didn't think it would be a good idea when someone suggested it. But out of respect to the songs I picked about thirty of them and I woke up for about three or four weeks early in the morning I get up I put on a pot of coffee and I go into the living room and I just single I just sing down to my dogs I had four jobs come join me keep me company and you know for a few weeks they all just felt like decent karaoke. And then all of a sudden they some of them started feeling like you know something else was going on that was special and You know a lot of times too. There's you'll hear a great song in this case by Neil and you might not understand the lyric. And I wanted to do a amway you talked today. Sorry. Sorry. No. You gotTa push it. Back. and so I wanted to share them in that you know even stiller formed and acoustically live. We're GONNA. Audience and of room. Very live performances I took my time very you know isolated and just delving into these beautiful songs and I'm glad you enjoyed there's just too many to. Count but you know obviously if someone. Say Hey here's a guitar. Neil Young Song, and sends me out in front of you know a crowd of people I probably Singalong they run. Right. Always. GotTa grew it's just such a beautiful sentiment. Love and friendship, and you know sustaining who through a lifetime and beyond maybe I'll send you the chords and lyrics to our theme song right. Yeah we we really appreciate you taking A. Bunch of stuff. But we didn't I wanted to ask you at Martin Sexton on your albums and I love him and then you have a big hat guy and you have the best hats I. Love Your. Anything Amy, five, we all these. Fabulous. Yeah. She's kind of is finds good clothes and hats for me and style. You know I still low quick story about Martin I was in DC visiting my family. Long time ago and me and my brother Mark went down and his wife Kay went down and see rickie. Lee Jones and And huge shoes regularly fan. So you know we're kinda making our way to our seats as Martin. The opening act comes out and says, they sit down Martin starts you know. Singing and I just was floored. was. As soon as soon as he walked off stage I I've followed back into the dressing room which I've had some experience doing. We've been. We've been friends ever since. Jammed with a couple of times when he played Sue Phoenix, Martin's one of the all time greats and glad he's still out doing his thing I. Pray that we all get a chance to you know obviously, it would require a massive change in government people that are you know intelligent Martin soulful and do do the right thing shut this thing down, get a handle on it while we're looking for a cure and I hope that starts happening. So it's not. Start start playing Neal's new version of looking for a leader. Yeah. That'd be good. Look we all are dying to get out and play and sing for people ask for life brought for all of us and we all know we gotta stay alive to get to that point. All right. Well, nils thank you so much for taking the time. The the new album weathered. It is live. It is amazing. Comes out on August twenty first. pre-order it by the vinyl just nils. You're going to buy a copy of your your own album. Do you do that? Do I order just to make sure it's true. Right next. It we've got some signed copies of backstreets dot com I'm signing up. We're going to have it available on my website and talk com and I'll stay in touch with everybody on it and you know it's closest thing I can share in what I do live and It's been over fifteen years with the band. So people check it out and appreciated and I really enjoyed talking with you guys. We really appreciate you taking the time. From all those stories yes. You're an incredible person man and thank you for blessing us with thanks very much. Man Your music. Yeah look. I'm Greg guys play you. It makes you. A lot more knowledgeable and you can tell by your questions, but you know I really enjoy it. Mike Luke Rush I. Wish you the best with your band and maybe we can do a chapter to someday. Right. Trans we'll call you up again. Yeah. I got the stories. Record our episode on decade now. Allies manage good to talk to you all. All right. Thanks a lot. Thanks so much. Really. We've as hard that whole I. I'm just I was just sitting on the couch with Joe Walsh and Ringo Starr and leave on breast how To leave on stories about leave on I was like Oh my God. Well, your job bringing up garth. Yeah because I had read you know I read this wheel's on fire. Did you ever read this verse? That's an excellent. Good and there's a little bit of that in there. But like that whole like I'll take two of everything I'll take two of everything that's going to be my. That's my unsettling. Neil. Tattoo. Take to. Know what you leave on face EP with Neil on one arm and get I'll take two of everything. On the other. Good Idea Lebron's barn on my back. I would love I would eat a peach in a heartbeat but yeah, he's he's fantastic stories allman brothers. That's true. Yeah. So just fine great album but anyway yeah. That interview with nils man where I feel. So that was awesome. Blessed. Just, to hear that, like you said that perspective that first hand I hand it's like when he was telling those stories, I got the chills just like this guy was really there. He actually he was he was there for after the gold rush. Right? He was there watching Neil recorded after the gold rush which I actually wanted to bring up and I've brought up in probably the after the gold rush episode but. Neil never told me what the song was about. This nils lofgren is a quote from him. I'd love to bend his ear about it. It's like. It's like it's all our own fantasies as we hear the words. But look man I was standing there in the control room looking through the grass watching him play that thing on the old upright piano. Zeal on the road with him and we took it on the Trans tour and I got to play it a lot and at the bridge school benefits to its a very historic piano I just love. Story about right amounting loca in there. Yeah and making that time change from the halftime to the debt. It's so so cool. Wait a nail that weird Al, question Luke seriously. I. Really Weird. Al Is. The man of Viper when it comes to plan for. Weird Al on this. Okay. I'm listen listen. Ever done a neil young as ever probably. Neil would guess we're going to get Neil young in this podcast or else I'm going to get or weird allies seal. I'd rather have. Did I not say? You said such authority. Listen I've had a couple of glasses of bubbly. Still I'm. Still on hi interview. Thanks to nils lofgren the new album weather comes out August twenty first double album. Actually buy it buy it on I'm GonNa, buy and he's going to buy. You can pre-order it now at nils, Lofgren Dot com I'm if you search Nils Lofgren weathered, you'll find the board and how about that pretenders Oh my God will to and I thought that because he's Nils Lofgren you know he knows people he could probably call their management say, Hey, here the pretenders of a new album can you just me like email me a copy whatever actually he's he's like Neil. Doesn't think that the MP three is yeah he's Wallace. Yeah. But just I went out and I went and I preordered it I bought the album. That's cool. Totally keeping real wanted to bring up the Neil Young archives APP to ask them about that a little bit too as far as. The Quality Yeah I was. So much that we didn't even we didn't even talk about him being a fucking gymnast and everything Oh. Yeah. You brought that up a little bit kind of mentioned but it was fun flipped Yeah Yeah Yeah. But don't know. Yeah. It was great though thanks to nils but can we I mean we don't we're not gonNA spend a ton of time on it because it's basically a greatest hits album. Can we talk about decades? Absolutely. This'll because the first few we This is our first chance of diving into some Buffalo Springfield stuff. And a little bit of a sen- which we may hit later down the road we may go back and touch I should we should go. Maybe. We'll throw in episodes in between to do like just to break stuff up. We'll do you know what else I some Buffalo Springfield send an email I'll get stills on. Hell. Yeah. Doesn't hurt to ask. You're going to have to write I, sent an email and it's like, yeah sure. that he doesn't listen to still. The problem is if we interviewed him. It's GonNa take all night. I know that's true. I don't know can we were never going to get a wig from this is going to be extra long. Who we're going to be two hours forty eight minutes see Jesus. To Nils, if you had to choose if both weird out and. got. Back. Weird out brandon come on it's weird. Weird al.. It's weird. AL WEIRDO WE'RE FUCKING RULES WEIRD AL probably sold more albums than Steve Is. In Solo peasant isn't isn't he hold the record like it's him Michael Jackson and Madonna who have had Top Ten. Albums in the eighties nineties the two thousands and. Killing it since like late. Out. Bologne if you don't like unsubscribe I don't care. You listen to podcasts don't like weird. To Go Luke. Shout to when he was doing the comedy. He's doing. He's fucking knows what he's doing. Yeah. UHF Top five comedies of. All right. Let's talk about. Once again, we're so blessed and honored and big huge. Thank you to nils lofgren and please go by West. So yeah. Like you said look I'm still pretty jittery and I'm still jittery but also cool. So decade like I said before the interview I kneel out my ever list to we don't need get too into it obviously goalless in a decade. It's just kind of it's it's either is it all his his top is Is it his singles from. Hong he's the. One that he and picked it. Had, a lot to do this were record companies are the ones that usually handle a greatest hits package Neil, having lots of new and classic fucking Neil. Man. Right style. He was like Nah right doing no no, I'm delighted names on it until you hear. I think he did a pretty damn good job the only thing that was interesting to me and I get I get maybe why he didn't but there's nothing from time fades away on decade right? Well at that time. He didn't want that album to even I know he out, right? Yeah. But there is stuff from some of the opposite also that he didn't want to be out you know. So our stuff from home grown. So this was the question my original question I had when I knew we were gonNA talk about decade if you could. Add songs and take away songs from decade. Oh. Jesus. What would you add? I don't know there's too much in what would you take away but is there anything that comes you ought to think of all of it but is there anything that comes to your mind right away? Well I mean I would put on don't let it bring you down because that's not on there. No one. On this cruise. That's a definite me because it's to me, it's like top three neil songs. So the two that I had off the top of my head was don't be denied I think should definitely be on them. Yeah. Absolutely don't cry. No Tears I. Think is It's worthy enough of being on decade. Is Stupid girl on here? No, it's not the one. I take. Zuma is Cortez Cortez Barstool. Blues. Bars. Bars I love that's I mean ever since we did that episode of the renewal of my love for that, Song Constantly in my head. Now let's the thing from on the beach to like he's got all those enough not enough on the beach. That's my complaint I mean. But again. Wanted because of the vibe he does he has good ones. For the turnstiles a great song. Yeah. Those are the two from. which are great choice told I'm not gonNA complain about the although I would've put the title track on their same and it's not you know I don't know if he was going for like a greatest hits thing if. I would put the title on their. He does put on old man heart goal right I kind of makes me feel like. Now that was his thing saying, well, at least I'll get these. Bone. Yeah, right. Yeah. Those are probably the what obviously the two most songs off harvest. And of you got to put some. From. Harvest he has four songs. He has gold harvest. A man needs a maid an old man yet, and honestly if I were to cut if I had to cut a song off this album, I'd cut harvest because I just see I. I A couple of those to be honest. No I'd Leave Harvest I. Love that Song. Got It. Reminds me too much. Feeling is cup with the promise of a man what fum see I would I would put on Alabama or needle and the damage I would put on Alabama and that surprised me that that was an all well, isn't needle on their own alright needles on there. Okay. But Alabama, scholley on here Alabama should be on there. You're right needles on there, but it's way later southern man is on here. I would. Put Tired. is on their me. mytalk. Is GonNa. Fuck Look I love this. Yeah. I sing along to it. I just. I. Loved Singing along to that and it's such a eerie you know so. I would love it if I if it's not in my top, obviously, it was one of my least favorite songs. When we did that record it, I would cut that one in response in put something else on their. Tired. Is Man listen to you and I love it's it's just it's. It's like it's one of those songs like I always say this I get lost in it me to every time it comes. Here's every time it comes around to the please. Advise and then the boom. By. Singing in the car I'm like. All right. It's like a Gaza what I'm saying is on the worth the wait on. Tonight's the night there are several I would put on decade, okay. Sure but. The night is on there and I don't know I. think that's the only one from tonight's the night that's on there. Tonight entire tired is yeah. You wouldn't put on like lookout. Joe Or the one that Danny sang or that surprised me that there's that no downtown Baillio downtown no because I think. Neil. Wanted all the songs to be his right yeah, you know. Yeah that's. Interesting. Honestly. Neil celebrating will not I don't know it's Neil a decade of. All. He loves Danny but I don't think it would be as our takeoff. Tonight's the night and I would put I wouldn't take off tonight I would put on. Album. You guys are GonNa Make Fun of me. I'd put on Albuquerque and new Mama I love those songs Oh new Mama. Mama because it interesting choice it's it's very. I am but that's why I wouldn't put it on because he'd even when he does see us and Buffalo Springfield, the songs that he chooses are neil yet but they're also me that album is Neil. Neil saying. Here's me. Here's me. This is me. I've been doing this for ten years on my own now. This. You know what? You know what a brilliant move was a brilliant move on his part was not putting on this particular collection is till the morning comes. because. because. Really that's about when you might as well just put it on long wrestling is a great song. Fuck you shoe long just tell you also have a windmill. Creek ferry. Yeah. How does that? Make you feel he was talking about the band I? Mentioned Cripple Creek most said when he dried out I was like I, literally I. I almost said Oh mills. That's so funny. Bring that up because that's my favorite song. It'd be like, yeah nils I mean if it's like equated to getting an appendectomy. Out You. We're trying to be we were pretty respectful. Rate, interview he. He just goes. He doesn't mind telling stories which is. Really. I'd love to have I really. Hope we get back on because I could talk to him for a long time I think he had a good time to can we can we and I wanNA keep this fairly short because we're I know where you WANNA get down to the wire. Just, play that's good. That was a good one. We play a little bit of down to the wire. Song thing but I wanNA, Talk Nielsen here the Beret Yeah. You. This. Should. Super British and the beat to. Go. Her I. Love this though. I love that. Yeah. That's that's that's very cool. Break timing shields. I wrote a note on this song. I. Wrote this song and Winter Long. They sound like they should be sung by like a crooner like the melodies of them Yes and I don't know if if that's if they're related at all but I I think it's interesting that he starts decade with this song was this Buffalo Springfield Just. Fewer Buffalo was this ever on an album though yeah. Was it yeah. Yeah. It's on a Buffalo Springfield. Yeah. Okay. Oh. Good Lord. What did you did you WANNA talk about? Down to the wire. Yeah. I WanNa talk about his voice, his singing voice there can we do? Can you play something like later on on decade? Like now that we've heard that. Yeah. Now that we've heard that you can you play something from lakeside six like, yeah, like play. Like play. Love is a rose. Missiles Great. Such A. Great. fucking. Confidence. On this way. Losing. The word. Bins. Time you touch. Sure. seriously. He was trying to sing like one of the guys in the Moody Blues for that and then you go, you go I mean just the evolution of his voice where he finds it I mean he found his voice basically I think on everybody knows this is nowhere and that was a lot to do with Danny whitten who encouraged him to sing like he wanted to sing and people people said, his voice was like we haven't given self titled As much credit as it deserves. Well, we hit a give it a whole episode because Dude you can't take away some of those except when we we talked about maybe doing a top ten which we're not going to do on this episode but. Like. Old laughing lady and owner the loners good last trip to Tulsa good. Right. But. You can tell on some of those songs. He just didn't like the environment he was singing you could tell I to me. It sounded like if you compare it to everybody knows this is nowhere the very next album. He felt like he was and he did he said he felt constrained by that whole thing and then to do it live. You know in every album after that. I mean everybody knows this is nowhere as top five. Yeah. I mean if you listen to come on baby downtown and I know he's only he's singing harmony. That's another song I think should have been on here is everybody knows nowhere the track? Yeah. Yeah. But you could just tell like he was comfortable finally comfortable singing. Yeah. In Buffalo it's definitely of the time who was the main singer of Niilo was at Neil and still facilitate pretty pretty. I think they all sang their read something up. Your kind woman was at Ritchie fury he was in Buffalo. Yeah. But your biggest. Though they're big, right? Yeah. Sure and he'll tell you I don't know Ohio. That wasn't buffalo though. But. I read something that he that Neal was was the arguable frontman of full. He probably had the most personality onstage. Very. And very that's right like he wouldn't do the tonight show with Johnny Carson Rail that story now they got booked for the tonight show and Neil Neil was like fuck this really he was like it's not we got meal. That's not a good johnny does any Johnny? He's okay. We're not going to try it now that you've done that buffalo coming up Buffalo Springfield and then after that Joan embry. Sandiego Zoo will be coming up. Easy stuff that's bad and then we'll have a visit from Nascar you're doing it. Okay. Trying to do. I'm drunk. That's bad. It's way better I'm not good at this. Luke trying to do the Jackson how bad? Do those. Jackets. And then number two good jacket. Sound like you have asthma. Little to nate's. Winter Jacket and you are it's upward jacket. Wait you sound like you up Ovid? Nineteen. Really. Go get that checked out. I can't wait before trans when we can have a real battle. A Real Battle of jackets you're on. US. Some Alfred? Like you sound like doing one of those antismoking commercials leads. To. Smoke for fifty years. Don't smoke kids. Darker and you think bad back I got. Through, Hey, that's a good transition into burned. Doing every song though do not get your mind thinking we're doing everything. We should do the ones that we can't have it. We haven't covered. Okay that's fairly yeah. Let's I. I saw. Much unburned anyways I just really liked the like lyric structure. I liked the sound of it I like. Play a little bit. I'll play a little burned. Super Sixty. All the Buffalo. Springfield yeah. Very, birds. Super Birth I'll tell you the party. We'll know what you're going to do harm. There you're gonNA sing along now. Trying not to look at them. Here it is coming up. Now finding it so Yeah. You should be wearing hip huggers. It's cool. Man I dig the sixties vibe of this. It's very it's very sixties. It's very buffalo springfield. Yeah. Neil wrote it, and he's he's he's doing the leads, but it's not Neil. I mean it is, but it isn't. It's Neil up that time, right? Yeah. He needed like we've said so many times on this podcast he needed that everybody needed the crazy horse that everybody knows where he needed the death of Danny and and all those people that he lost needed. No. Okay. I'm not going. To happen here with. Have Today. Yeah. Right. Wouldn't be without the death Danny whitten right I just mean okay. Let me put it this way he needed to meet. Danny and Ralph Riley. Needed Danny was super encouraging to him as a singer he needed to meet even Jack Nici right and yeah, you know we'll not worked on some. Buffalo. Right but he needed those people to kind of push him in a in a different. But you know what that that has a catchiness to it and we talked about that with don't cry. No tears. There's no deal that has. Right he can write he could write a pop song yet. Oh, absolutely you know he just doesn't want he doesn't want it right? Yeah but he absolutely can I like I dig it I like. I'm a sucker sometimes for that sixties. Birds me too absolutely. That one and that brings us even you have something to say about Luke or should be no. I was going to say, I tried to do a top five and ended up being a top seven. Of songs that we had already that weren't already on albums that we've done just give you my list real quick because I, kind of want to land on my number I didn't do this. So I'm not that's fine. And I'm sure there'll be stuff about the other ones besides the number one but let me get my number one because I want to talk about it and it might it's I think it's might be yours to Rusman, but my top seven, my seven was broken Arrow I just love you hire for me. I just love the differences like shoot doesn't like it but that's my higher. You don't like broken Arrow we'll get. Yeah I love how he it's like a three part song any each breaks into. Doesn't go do it again? Appreciate my number six is soldier. And let me I'll tell you why russ and I know this'll be part of why you might appreciate the song is the lyrics Jesus I saw you walking on the river I don't believe you. You can't deliver right away. I wonder why so holy shit sauce but those is actually oddly reminiscent of time fades away Yeah Yup and the woke up this morning the love love in mind I also love that soldier was known I. Mean By that Shoe with the love in mind from time fades away and he's talking about the religion and church. In and that line there with Jesus. I dig out but I I also love to that. This was nowhere else. You couldn't find the song anywhere else before this I believe this was it was only done like he was played played live and Neil just recorded a bunch of Shit I. Didn't know that. Yeah. But anyway, my my top five. Five is deep forbidden lake. Yeah. It's a cool four down to the wire. Okay. Three winter long. Okay. I fucking love winter long to is campaigner I think it's a fucking incredible a gorgeous genius. It that's the one that hit me the most when I used to listen a decade in my number one sugar. Mountain. Yeah I. To me is the best fucking folk. Song Everett can I read you a few things about you know because what we should go in order but we'll let me just let me read you this. We have let's hop at let's hop vaccine but I wanna I wanNA talk about a sugar monroe quick He wrote this when he was nineteen years old yet nuts and then he actually he started writing it when he was nineteen, he wrote a hundred and six verses to the song us and then he said he said I didn't know how to narrow it down to four. So, but he said the one where he talks about it was a broken narrow cook. But the one where he talks about under underneath the stairs he said that was the worst one. So I figured I'd put it in perspective. That's. Awesome, the man. Awesome but so. Anyway the finally finished it when he was twenty one Joni Mitchell talks about. This is a this is Joni Mitchell quote. In nineteen sixty five, I was up in. Canada. And there was a friend of mine up there who had just left A. Rock and roll band. He had just turned twenty one in that meant he was no longer allowed into his favourite. which was kind of a teeny Bopper Club, and once you're over twenty one, you couldn't get back in there anymore. So he was really feeling terrible because his girlfriend and everyone else he wanted to hang out with his band could still go there you know. But it's one of those things that drove him to become a folk singer was that he couldn't play in this club anymore because he was over the. Hill. So he wrote this twenty one he finalized this song because he couldn't get into a club where it had to be under twenty one. Yeah. Well, that's the common theme we find in a lot of his stuff like don't be denied and everything going back to those simpler times and even at one years old. Yeah he was feeling that I wish I could hang you know was kind of cool not having. To is nils getting into the right Gov and sneak in his. Age. Eighteen. flash forward a year and he's on after the gold rush I also wanted to ask him about living with Briggs because there was that. Time but I want because you brought up the washed the walls with women that was briggs right that was briggs and I'm like. Nils was there lived on his couch. And brings wonder took him under is wing. He produced grin in all that stuff. So he knows Briggs. Yeah we just didn't have enough time. We'll get back on. Any of those songs or did you guys have other ones that we hadn't missed your soul? You didn't put up I really like Mr. so I love mischief slam a bit of. A. Master. I feel like this could have been on everybody knows this is nowhere. Nazi. Trace on. This is ricky fury singing tube with still. winning. I love it Fuzz box super. month. Keep. Keep. As long there you go. That's stills, but bricky sings as well. Up Ritchie. Sorry reaching out. To talk over, it's fine. That's what they do on the talking. They played the you talk and talk and head. To mytalk in my head. His Guitar, work. No. Sorry. But the other guitar work later on Great Yeah this really you know. The start of his. That Neil young forests either? Yeah. It's interesting. It's just verse and each verse is really interesting. There's a lot of like Beatles sort of things you know. The Buffalo Springfield had a lot of that. Yeah. Sergeant Pepper issued lack words tracking Neil stills, I feel like loved the beat Oh. Yeah absolutely. Together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that was that that's what was going on. At the time and I'm that influence you'll obviously in talking about the Beatles I saw two on song facts or whatever that. Someone was saying. In that sort of Lennon. McCartney esque friendly rivalry way. That's what. We've we've touched on this especially with the last episode about. You know stills and young just. Stills being a Dick and you'll be an addict too. But just that whole back and forth between these two guys and with with Buffalo Springfield, you get that we're still wants to do all this other shit. Neil doesn't want to do it. There's there's a ton of stuff like that and and this song and I saw broken Arrow a lot. A couple of the songs were written because Neil. Left demand like a few times a couple of times. He would quit and then he'd come back and then He. He'd come back with songs that were so good. But they were about him leaving the band and why he wanted to leave the band and Russ imagine we'd finished recording are last make things better now available on spotify and vinyl excellent. We record that album and then right we're recording I say guess what they'll. I'm leaving town meeting. And then six months later as you guys are finalizing production and all these other things I'm like actually I'm back coming back and then a few months later I'm like actually you know what leaving again. How long do you put up with that? I think the talents made it. More bearable. Come back not quite young. I'm not saying that you can. Totally. I totally say I worth nearly. The song I'm sorry. Town. Whatever that fucking song is your all right. Don't don't don't knock. You won't be denied. Like we said in the last episode I think stills loved Neil I'm not. You know he loved like anything songwriting he loved his talent. He thought he was. To make love to him and yeah, I think everyone's. Take all night. I gotta get back to the night. All night and tonight tonight. To get together at planning on. It and he see beat him on the tour. L. G. sounded needy. So we didn't bring this up petit think Neil's took honey slides. Well, he did he he didn't play on the he was getting he brought up Tequila though and I was well, that was the those two. said the theme of that. Sheila, we get fucked up I wanted to bring up honey slides but I, didn't he? He was on a roll out of your own. was A in the in on the honey slides rusty maybe you know but anyway. Well, I love Mr. Soul. It's I I especially love. Yeah I don't know how you guys feel about it but the MTV's unplugged album. Yes. The version on there is really good. Just him acoustic, but it's just it's fans MTV had a good run of those them. Neil Nirvana obviously. Even Lauren Hill. Hill is my favorite also hillbilly one of my favorites ll cool J. never heard it. Oh my God. You guys. They had ll cool J. and a tribe called quest. And it was. Awesome. He did Mama said knock you out and it was fucking amazing on the on the on MTV unplugged it was incredible man it was so good literally down to listen to it. I love tribe called quest is still. Remains, I've called they broke ground man well anyway we should transition into Broken Arrow Because it starts with Mr a little piece Mr Soul and I read that the person singing that is actually at the top. Ritchie and that's the Beatles. What Oh, that's the Beatles crowd. That's his crowd. Interesting. Did they play with the Beatles during this? No, but they probably use the crowd noise. Shit, what if Ringo didn't know that needs just hearing it now he's going to sue. Okay. Keep playing is right away. It's not. It's what is it? Fifty I like I like that. Missing dragged took over a hundred hours to. I. Believe that I believe that. Here's what I want to say listen to this. Did Don McLean steal this for American Pie. American pie that was seventy was later, and because this is Buffalo Springfield. That's fucking American Pie. But that's a simple descend. That's your. That's yours. That's whole section. G minor that your typical leg I know. But that I know what you're saying but that's in someone else right here and right hand has manno. The chorus. Keep it. Cigarettes at wants to listen to the album? No, it's fine. It's not even. Close to a minute, he it's he makes up to he bakes up it's a minute. That's. Supposed to sing along. Now keep it going so that you can hear keep it going. You're allowed to tape back. Back in help. US. because. She has this crowd as the monkees crowd. Here's what I like about these things liberally he leaves it not getting. That's cool. Man Leaves the booze here. I love the sees each of these. You can fit if he goes back into the swing play when he plays, it's like the take me out to the ball game thing. This is why I started this. No did we just play? Talking Room, and then like does that weird sound back into this kind of like pink floyd. Or the Beatles Yeah But but I what I like about this and I remember you saying in in the last episode and we were coming to the end. You didn't really like the extra shit that goes on in this. It's not the extra shit and I appreciate what they're trying to accomplish. It just seems clunky and forced and I find it to be annoying. Okay. So, so I guess what I'm saying is. I think it wasn't produced as well as it should sergeant pepper was a huge thing at this time. It sounds way too derivative of that or something off of magical mystery tour. So yeah I just find that. It's too like. There are there multi-part saw it's not so much that are done. Well, it's just this one. I don't think it's too clunky for me. About this is that and I'm reading different things about it, and it says part of this one is about Neil leaving the band and that's what the songs about Bubba but all that should has never truly right. But what I what I get from, this is a part of it to me is a commentary each each of those three different sections after that chorus is another version of America you get like the baseball you know you you get the. Screaming you get. You get the jazz, right so to me, it's all these different things that to need to kneel. It's it's different versions of America like. Me It's a commentary, and then you get the chorus, which is the native American and the broken Arrow the lonely, the the banks of the river, the empty quivered. Indian on the banks of skin like. So that's kind of the thing that's. Spiderweb weaved in between all this America Shit. So before all that yeah right there were already people were. Out. In America's already populated I like that. So as much as I love the the end to me, it is kind of weird that I hear when I heard this song I was doing a bunch of listens to it I. was like i American Pie it sounds like that's say there's Thing Secrecy Right. But. To me was like a like a Buffalo Springfield version of a day in the life, do you know what I mean? He was that's really good way to using it together I. Just didn't do do it as well as the big. DIG The jazz can we go to the end and here the jazz? Time for it's just it's basically the end of the songs after the last course why do you think they'll before we get there why do you think he started? With a live version of Mr Soul. Or anything they started. The. So on that record on the Buffalo Springfield record the album starts with Mr Soul ends with broken arrow. Okay. So I think that's production-wise why it was chosen. was because you start the album with Mr Soul, you end the album with with broken Arrow and the song broken Arrow, which to me is sort of commentary on America in that way. With like you said the native American thing and also just him wanting to leave the band and not leaving the band and coming back to the band and the sixties and Deta today. So I think it's a, it's a full circle Beatles. Attic Because he's done that before with tonight's the night. Yes you know. So he he likes to book and things have a theme. So that was kind of like the the beginnings of that. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's it's the album Buffalo Springfield again. So it starts with Mr Soul and ends broken, Arrow okay. Yeah and that came out in sixty seven I believe American pie seventy. Seventy one yeah. So I don't think there was any intention I'm not saying that and I don McLean's was listening to. Buffalo Spring. Everyone. Especially, you said for what it's worth was huge and. Plus Don Don. McLean is busy driving his chevy to the levy that takes a long time really does. The Levy was dry. Could take all night. If Stephen Stills went to that Levee, it wouldn't be dry and also don McLean might also be a time traveling vampire and maybe he went into the future and ripped off the better version of that song, which is on even don't. Shut on weird al.. Show which is so fucking. Weird Al version of that song, Unbelieva Rice, the saga continues the saga begins big AD is brilliant. Me Is better than American Pie. Going but I get all those things. That one is great and then when Weird Al Does Book and even though we us a Web, you're the same man. And I'll tell you the best line where else ever written is in that Spiderman. Something we're going to talk about Willem Dafoe, which you and I have met. We've met Willem Defoe but no, the part where he talks about with great power comes great responsibility. That's the catchphrase loncle men then, and if you missed the line, don't worry he'll say it again and again and Again and again and again. Weird Al Get on this fucking. We're GONNA I'm going to work even though we send even we interviewed Nils Lofgren, in this episode again, we're so fucking honored I. Hope this interview I I hope sorry I. Hope this episode ends with you playing the. Albuquerque. The jet I nothing the saga begins come on man I'm not like anywhere. We've already include Weird Al Too many times, which is one time on a Neil Young. I read the the jazzy piano at the end here of Broken Arrow is Jack Nicchi Don Brandy. Can you play it I like it I dig it. Charlie. Brown at the end of what school. Vince crawl. Going hold on here. We. Go School. But America right. You know what I know. Yeah. Jazz is an American art form. Yeah absolutely. That's what he was going for here. Yeah. I think. So with the clarinet. Is Actually Nils on the clarinet I know right now I want you to play count clarinet. I. I've only played there twice. Yeah. Yeah. That's very Vince Karolyi. Charlie Brown football that your now this is one him in liners like just walking down the street and they see snoopy and bones reading the paper. I dig, it man I, I like this tune. I. Like I like I just I just don't. I just find it. I don't like listening to do you. Do you have a top like atop one two or three off like not the ones we've already done Mr Soul. Really. Okay. There's definitely just love that song that's such a great song that would be my number one. Do you like expecting fly do love that great I'll play On strings that is. Such a great song to listen to while you're driving. Space. There's a lot of texture on there and I I love that. This not a lot of buffalo. Springfield I like like I'm not a huge. Buffalo Springfield Fan. Yeah. This is though this is beautiful. Yeah this is so neat cheats. Yeah Very Nishi 'cause it's borderline Disney. Oh. Yeah. Since my daughter's here I want to bring that up in a little bit about her comment about listening to tumbleweed. From Neil. Right when you drop a shit, this is when you take like twenty frigging advil. And you roll into Neil ratified podcast. So. Yeah. It's it's. Very sleeping Georgia's. I'm telling you when you're driving and the. The the. The second and third ended with a cries like the way this. Always, goes to the ended with crowd that lays sort of. Nice change I know that. Sounds like. Peg. Byron. Very. Sixties. Such a beautiful song beautifully produced. In even turn up. It's very. So right there was right what I wanted to hear. Love that ended with a cry, the first one and were described. It's really really pretty it's just. I. Don't have that much to save out just other than. Council Gorgeous, Song she kills it as far as arrangement strings. Yeah. young of. Sugar Mountain to me scrape is is the best one of the best folk song. Is. This the first time this has been recorded or like display not the first time it was released I. Think. It was I don't think came on anywhere else. When he he released the Canterbury the right thing called Sugar Mountain right. Late eighties right now, I don't know that was that just recently was twenty something. Yeah Oh gee that was one of the archive releases. Okay but. Other than that the first time I think you hear sugar mountains on this yeah, which is great. Wave away hold on. Yes I think so yeah. Yeah. I, think it is. This is this is my favorite song off off a decade I love decade it was my intro Neil. That that's the thing about this album. It was the intro to kneel for so many people. Yeah, and it's such a great intro. Liner notes and everything and just yeah two thousand eight was when Sugar Mountain. Live at Canterbury House was leased. Okay. But I believe that it was recorded. It was just Neil. just Neil live and I thought it was in the sixties late sixties maybe early version on decade. Yeah. Yeah. Just the that has a quality. It's a live recording that album because you can hear him doing the raps in between. So yeah, that was from. But the version is all try to. On decade that sounds like a was that live it was live. Yeah. So that that I the line, not the chorus but the first line of the first verse that's a Tattoo Nineteen, sixty, eight, nineteen, sixty, eight. Lonely at the fair but all your friends are there. I would get that fucking tattooed totally explains that whole story of. Not. Being able to get into the teeny bopper club to see the youngsters neil invented foam. Oh so did I write the invented? All. Time traveling fucking. So the fear of missing out. I'll just. I'll just turn that into an abbreviation. What is that an abbreviation was that called? Yeah. It's an abbreviation. An acronym acronym is so sugar mountain live. At Canterbury House was from the recording was from nineteen sixty eight right? That's one decade. Yeah. Yes but I'm talking about the album now right. Released in two, thousand eight. But yeah, the recording that was put on decade I believe was from this was from that session. And so some of the other songs on that that he does live just himself. And then there's a bunch of stuff where it says songwriting rap recording rap, oh? Yeah. It's hilarious. Talking and Larry's So He's like twenty. Really. On and MR SOULS ON, they're expecting to fly flies on their last trip to Tulsa is on their the loner was on their birds winter long. Yeah. I could have her if I could ever night mountain I've been waiting for you. In lady he does and Broken Arrow. It's all. It's all him. Yeah. I can't wait to get to that because it's a one of his solar lease. Thousand. Eight. But I believe the version here on decade, which is crazy. Yeah. It's from this session. We no one else had heard it because no one. He didn't release that until two thousand. So so I don't want to all of a sudden. You hear this Song Sugar Mountain you're like, Whoa, what's This I don't want to do too much because we're going to end up running out of time for what I can handle on this shirt hard-drive but So the after that, there's I am a child and then he gets. Incredible so and then he there's a long. Later out right. So but is there anything else any one particular song that you guys WanNa touch on from the other ones I really loved campaigner for something about that flew little bit of that campaigner. Just, love how stripped it is and the he brings up Nixon. It's ten. This didn't come out on a album until. was it hitchhike was on the let's say that was one of the hitchhiker's. Stir. Campaign Oh my. Damn. He could piano he just said looking for a leader. Really. Good. Yes. Were even Donald Trump has sold got soul. She's yes. That could lead play that part where it's coming up. That little. Minor then when he pops up here that Churn. Got Slow this right here. God. We should cover this. It's a great song we should rewrite and we should do a little. We should do a little tip, our hats Neil and Do that would you allow me to do something when you play it live? Yeah. I have a Richard Nixon mask. I'll come on dance to it while you guys play the that from point break no no no, it's. Where the Buffalo Roam men at work. With The media. All right, right? Yeah. From point break to maybe the Nixon masks it's it's been. It's been used in. The Hunter Thompson movie where the Buffalo Roam. Town to probably Mike actually know Mike goes to a point break themed comecon every year every year it's just a bunch of guys in wetsuits sued minute work. Oh But they fucking hate the remake. believings bullshit. There's a whole nother con for that. I. Hate the Remake Point Break Khan and it's just a bunch of people and what suits bitching about how much it sucks the best part now and hopefully was. Flea was in flea was in the original point break I think. So yeah. All right from no Anthony Kiedis leave those Chili, peppers. Look. Also, flea was in back to the future to which you still haven't watched lease. It's almost twenty one belt better be interested. Keith David is one of the best parts of minute work. There are not in this world that you don't touch. One of them happens to be another man's fries. You know if he's now you remember that. And healthy like him and platoon Oh my God, of course, the something about Mary. Communion Rick and Morty he plays rigorous. The president. giraffe to. Play minecraft. He's he's All right. What you Franks? Requiem for a dream he's. Just. Suck itself I love area. He's like two good one bad to good one bad. Where what were the bad ones that Noah's Ark one was show? Yeah you're right. The rust and then he came back with the wrestler that Ryan Garrett. Incredible. Yeah. I is nuts i. know have you ever watched by so good Oh, my God that's so mind blowing. Great. And Black, do you guys like Black Swan? I loved guys like Mother San Jose. Aronovski. Was I don't know if. Brooks again no. Jennifer. Jennifer and for what's your name nobody Jennifer's is Jennifer Jason Leigh no no, it's. It's hard. To. But what's Fuck Shit? Yes. Jennifer Lawrence. J J.. J. Lo Jalen, JOE's and do. What we call Neil, young on this podcast if you fund. Anyo in an low which. Long get him on. And When he goes hello I'm going to go and oh in the. In the Hissy. I'll give you twenty bucks if you do that she's won't give me five bucks. You I. You would never know I'd be totally like Oh hello Mr Young. Thank you for big. We're going to finally get Neil. Faint Twenty when he? was going to talk to Neil. I'm going to lose control of my star. You Start I. Don't know where all start landing on water. Why? No I. Don't know. First thing I'd say is, why did you keep fucking Cripple Creek Fair until the morning. Should have made the guitar so longer Embarrass you this was going to happen is we're GonNa try when like Mike, doesn't like those songs and you? Just made that up for the part of. Those saw fucking. Cracking I will. I'll tell you. He sounds like Oh criticized goofy. I'll tell him. anything else off of this that isn't because we'll cover it later we'll cover later except i. what do you guys know of deep forbiddenly comes back up you brought it up. It's a great song. I don't know if all got someone on but someone on the on read it on the Neil Young sub read it said Favorites, I'll play a little bit of a right now real quick we we have. I, love this song. I don't think this is anything else. Must Be. Turn up little. Freedom Rochman turn it up. Great. On the the deep forbidden lay. All boats go gliding by stand as Scott. And the leaves are falling from the trees and landing on the law Turtle Line to. See the turtles heading for the ball that's dark raw. Did you just bring up tolkien. Brought up Steven. Steven. Living Is that been? It's gotta be. Kinda means no way. Oh Yeah, love. GonNa. End this episode. Ben. This has been our album decade and. Episode Decade. It's great man. It's one of the best compilations of all time. It's all it is it set a standard for for compilations lock sets. You know you're dealing with a triple album at this point. You know and that's a balls to tell the record company. I've been doing this for ten years. I got six sides of stuff. I could give you probably does it well, I don't know if you WANNA really quickly arrest the album. The vile album is right behind you if you see how I already. Dr But it it's too. It's too album. Holding the vinyl lack rock desert. It looks like we're they do burning in the black rock but slide I i. shouldn't say that with that much authority I don't actually know. Definitely Black Rock from All those bad ass pictures lack wrong. But do you see how it works? It's to you missed we'll. Go back to where you grab the album look back there. No no right there. that. Lies In. So it's to album like cardboard. Containers that slide together and Really really cool. fucking. It's just a great fucking. It's it's three records. Handed the shoe. Stuff in. Jobs Lion turntable by this. You're says all kinds of it's really good. Anyway. Thanks everyone for listening. Big Huge huge. Thank you to nils lofgren. August twenty first. Nils lofgren DOT COM. You can pre-order it now, which I definitely will be doing. and yeah. CONGRATS, boys. Yeah. CONGRATS on ten episodes. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks to everybody for contributing on our facebook page long may you young facebook page twitter at long young same thing on instagram and the Neil Young sub read on it you can communicate with us that way and Pantheon. Pantheon podcast can still leave us a voice message via anchor or you can. Post that and I'll. Link to post it on excellence, Graham and twitter, and all that book and all that because I'm really hoping I mean I really hope we talked to nils again and I'm I'm sure we thought it went well but I really really hope that we talked to nails again. Some home improvement questions we didn't nails. lofgren hails the half brother of meals but don't bump bump bump Lou. My God. Come on I never watched also thanks to Mike's daughter Chloe all her input and. For producing the podcast today produces every episode. She had an important question that had it kind of has to do with There's a world from harvest song tumbleweed that he does. With promise the real. And what was that question? Is he a Disney princess. Yes both of those songs have a Disney vibe. So is Neil Young Disney princess is yes. Yeah. Of course he is he is. He is the greatest Disney Prince. He is Neil Young as when you put Pocahantas. The Little Mermaid, Moulin and Jasmine and Snow White and you push them together. And that's when you get. Neil Young put a little Elsa and there only because he's Canada who I liked that. Okay. No she's not but he's Iceland. The thousand the Netherlands Netherlands same thing Iceland Netherlands it was land in their. She plays Ya Ya Ding Dong. She's Talk. Not Note we will. Donald's your next week youngsters. A. Now. Dow. Hey. This is mark from performance anxiety here on the Pantheon podcast network. have. You ever wanted to sit down with your favorite artists and here the wild stories that happened on tour or in the studio. We get these stories for you and a lot more. 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The French Intellectual Who Loves America

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The French Intellectual Who Loves America

"This is kick ass news. I'm Ben Mathis. Hey listeners it's that time of year again. And I'm going to ask a favor of you. If you enjoy kick ass news and wanna keep us going in order to support. Our show will need the help of some great advertisers. And in order to find great advertisers will need to learn a little bit more about you. So please go to pod survey dot com slash kick. And take a quick anonymous survey that will help us get to know, you'll little better that way, we can show advertisers. Just how great our listeners are. Plus once you've completed the survey you can choose to enter for a chance to win a hundred dollar Amazon gift card. Terms and conditions apply. Again, that's pod survey. P O D S U R V E Y dot com slash kick. Thanks for your help. And thanks for listening. It's happened to all of us right before an important presentation. The printer runs out of ink brother Inc. Vestment tank. Renter's helped put a stop to this. And can literally change the way you Inc. With your choice of up to one or two years of ink included in box Inc. Vestment tank helps eliminate the expense and hassle of frequently buying and replacing ink. Cartridges learn more at change the way you Inc dot com. And now enjoy the show. Hi, I'm Ben Mathis. Welcome to kick ass news. My guest today is a rare breed. Indeed, he's a Frenchman who loves America so much. So that he actually wants the US to continue to be a dominant player on the world stage. And he worries that America's retreat under President Donald Trump is leaving a vacuum to be filled by leaders who don't share our democratic values. Bernard on re Levin is one of the west leading intellectuals, and he makes his case in a passionate creed occur, titled the empire and the five kings, America's abdication and the fate of the world today. Bernard on relive e joins me on the podcast where he accuses President Trump of following the same path of retreat begun by Barack Obama and suggest that he's left behind. Void that is now being filled by five old world empires that are making unlikely resurgence Bernard on Reitox about the Iran nuclear deal and the larger problem of the Middle East. He discusses his long association with the Kurds who he says represent a hopeful new path for Islam, and he recalls his own role in the house ter- of Libyan dictator Moammar Kadhafi, and whether he still feels the Arab spring was a good thing. Plus he gets into Russia's election meddling in the assault on the truth. Why he worries that Brexit could lead to the end of the EU Francis recent yellow vest protests and the rise of nationalism into Thawra -tarian ISM in his own country coming up with Bernard on rely in just a moment. They're not on realty is widely hailed as Francis. Leading public intellectual often referred to simply by his initials, h l he is a philosopher activist filmmaker and author of more than thirty books and his writing has appeared extensively in publications throughout Europe and the United States he has served on diplomatic missions for the French government has been a longtime champion of the Kurds in Iraq and Syria and has been credited as a key factor in former French president Nikolai Sarkozy's decision to intervene against Moore market Affi in Libya. Now, he's written a new book titled the empire and the five kings, America's abdication and the fate of the world Bernard. Anri welcome to the show. Thank you. Happy to be with you here in the US, many of us Americans have this idea that the French don't like us, and that the French take on bridge, the US's outsized role in the world and our cultural influence around the world. But you are a rare breed of Frenchman Bernard Anri who loves America. And actually once the US to remain dominant. Superpower, what's at the root of this deep affection for our country. There is many routes. I I root that that was bred all my childhood in this idea that if America did not exist. I would not exist myself that if America had not intervened out of his borders in order to defeat Nazem Jews like my parents would have been exterminated. It's as simple as that. I know my in my flesh, I know in my blood what the imperialism fall good of America. Can mean it meant his time intervention, again, the absolute evil. How can I after that? After having been told all my childhood that the G is that the Americans. Well, those who made Europe free Jews spare the and myself coming to life. How could I could I be undying Americans? After that. I have also philosophical reasons to which I came when I was much elder, but the main route is the one I just told you, and as a philosopher how much of your fun as for America's the fact that our country was built on the principles of the French enlightenment. These this is one of the thesis of my new book empire on the five kings is this link of light and of life between the European enlightenment and America, this is the ground the very ground very basis agree rock on which you are founded I recall in the book, it is one of the important chapters for me, at least that the founding fathers of your country those who coaster that on the east coast of America where people who read Latin latching language Latino and shunt Roma there there red in particular. How very real and they had in their mind. The idea that they were resuming reinventing in a better way the enlighten Europe. The had the feeling that the values of Europe where? Burnt into flames. And that they'll duty their mission was to do a better Europe. A better renaissance is what was not yet. The time of enlightened better better renaissance and to replant the European values in America. So this for me is America it. That's why it's so crazy when I see those fascist European anti-americanism who don't understand their illiterates. They don't understand what links us the Donna son, which is the ground on the rock of America. Which is this sense of citizenship. This sense of truly Barisan this sense of a true democratic values. What kind of reaction do you get from people in France and all over Europe when you say things like the US is the new and improved Europe those who who know their agree the stupid. Short minded, France of lapenne or strong extreme radicals from left of cool. The insult me. But what what can I say it is just each Israel's the truth? You know, I I made I wish that theory in a for a very very simple reason, which any single of your the people who listen to us will understand they've to look to take in the pocket to Bill of one dollar in a of your details of your heroes. Take a bit of one dollar look at this Bill. They will see that on this Bill. There is three sentence in Latin three quotes in Latin one is a plural. Saloum every American knows that. But there is two other. I'm sure that those who listen doors don't know quite one is a new oval, although sequel room and. Second one is an with gravity. So three Latin quotes in an American banknote one day few years ago, I was reflecting. But at the end of the why why America on its bungalow to one dollar has we sentence of life. Then I dig a little, and I discovered that this sentence in Latin these quotes were quotes off veggie. And then I discovered the where the author of a book, which was the founding book off Roma right the veil. Jill the man who wrote a poem called a need who told the story of a man. Escaping Troy in flames and reinventing re inventing resuming amylase. Troy, more true and mobile reliable in Italy. And might eerie is that those who founded America felt that they were new in as a nice the p the hero of the jail leaving the Roman empire because it is himself given to flames and to fire and fury and reinventing Vishnu Europe, which I was mentioning on the coast of America. This is what America is this the mission of America. This is what Americans meant when they first said that they were building shining city upon the hill. This is what American exceptionalism means. So of course, you have in front some. Stupid fascist who believe that. This means imperialism, blah, blah, blah. No, it is a reverse. And I know, and I tell why I tell the story in this book and in the empire in the five kings. You express a lot of concern that America's potentially abandoning our Virgilio ties to Europe you call out President Trump for pulling out of Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, showing weakness against the Saudis and Ladimir Putin, abandoning the Kurds, but you also have equal condemnation for President Obama who you say offered the Middle East to Putin in Iran. It's rather ironic isn't it that President Trump who expresses such a visceral dislike for President Obama? And usually seems to do the exact opposite of whatever. Obama did appears to have followed such a similar policy of retreat in the Middle East. This is one of the thesis of my book. Yes. On many regards the opposite and on many regards. Of course, I I prefer Barrack Obama. But and not only prefer, I if I had been an American I would have voted for him would regret him and so on but on this ground of foreign policy on this ground of building. A new is is election is on this ground of abandoning our your allies, they are quite similar and President Trump is just following the trace of President Obama or to sage none of the way this abdication of America, which I regret is such a deep stream deep movement that at the end of the day Obama or Trump regarding that are a phenomenons I regret that. Of course. I would love to say that it is real default of Trump and that because Trump okay, you will have Trump for another two extra years. Maybe. Expert that's under the I don't believe. I don't believe it. But then it would be over alas. It is not as simple, and it would be a bit. This is another theory of my book. It would be a deep mistake from my point of view. I said that with all my my humble friendship to American people to believe that Trump is the only problem and that to put to to have Trump out would be the perfect solution. Eight is not Trump is not the poem outing Trump or impeaching Trump would not be the solution. It is not as imple- that simply by the fact, this is unreal theory of the book, the fact that you have in the US terrible left. Also, you have the most stupid, right? You have had. And you have the most UP left you ever had also the the left of Bernie Sanders. The. The left of some of the candidate the possible candidates Democrats in the first election, the left of Noam Chomsky who is just an intellectual, but who is taking some importance is left, which I don't find much more sympathetic than the than the right of Trump. So. America today is a hus- to wake up as we have to wake up in Europe. We are in even worse position because the situation. The the populism is everywhere the populism is the left and on the Rhine. And it's interesting to hear you talk about the far left and the far right here in the US. I wonder is there. Some hope that Europe may have a better path ahead simply because most European countries seem to have some form of a centrist party that is a viable party. Whereas here in the US both parties have gone to total extremes. I know and what is sad and heartbreaking that America US was for so long the fatherland of moderation. And in America, you have had for so much decayed, the courage courage of moderation. It needs courage to be a moderate, and it needs co all these to be an extremist and. We European new Americans fold too often in the coalition of extremism. When I see an America in the US when I see the identity politics when I see the leftist, anti semitism, when I see the extent of the Beedi S B S boycott, the businessman sanction movement against Israel. All these comes from the left. That's too easy to easy target. Honestly. And it is so sad. And I am social Soro for me because I am a liberal that it comes from the liberal side. You know in England, you have Jeremy Corbyn, Jeremy Corbyn who is a true anticipate Toronto's amid and you have today. How they say Jeremy call been knees ation, Jeremy Corbyn ization of the left in most of the pass of the west, including USA on the campuses of some prosciutto of Rawson realize you have alas a combination. And this is incredible. Because there are even coming a few years ago appeared as has been an all style politician who had speeded his last doc pearls of all styles. But no, he he knows a comeback. Like Noam Chomsky standing as these embodiments of this radical right, extreme rightist left. Ray rightist left. This is Jeremy Corbyn and Jeremy Corbyn ization of the liberal. USA? And it's interesting to hear you say that you would have voted for President Obama, and you still identify as a liberal or left of center because I have to say, they're not unreal. A lot of what you're saying. Very much sounds like what I would hear from a traditional economic or foreign policy conservative because these distinctions mean less and less today. The the real distinction is are you in favour of identity, politics, or are you in favor of? Al-tairi t politics politics of otherness politics of opening yourself in a brotherly way to the to the appeal of the other of the otherness this. A a topic divining line. Are you in favour of retrenching yourself in the US behind your baldur's, all behind your CNN's transformed into borders, or in you, are you in favour of thinking that mankind is the single family and the democratic values who are good in Los Angeles Gooden's of should be good also in Kabul in Afghanistan, or in the bombed areas of an massacre areas of Syria. These other dividing line conservative said this is old world you have now new day dive in dividing lights, and I can be I am a liberal on many grounds. But if it means to be a conservative to say that Democrats is good for everyone. If it is constantly a conservative to say that I prefer an America altruistic than an America. Ego is if it is to be a conservative to say that the people the people can't be wrong can vote for Hitler a can vote for the extreme. And I'm a conservative. Okay. But he sees a truth. The populist today in America and in Europe. This is another thesis of the mpm five kings, those populists who say the people whatever he says, the people is saying I'm sorry, but the fascist because sometimes the people can say terrible things can want his own slavery. And then the people is wrong say in other worlds what they explain in. My book is that of course, the people in the McCreadie is sovereign, but a sovereign has not to be never ever. An absolute sovereign Assadourian is never salute. Sovereign Inish ape. It has has to be checked on balance sober when the sovereign is the people. The people also has to be checked in the people also has to see his sovereignty limited in certain cases. I would love love the German people seeing his sovereignty limited when he voted for each or Hinden. Boo hoo. Then voter a cold for it later in ninety three and I would have loved the the American people being limited when he was by a strong majority, or at least a big number in favor of neutrality in the thirties till the strong decision of the art went into the war against as this. Territories which expressed in the empire under five kings. I don't know if they are conservative or not conservative for me. This is to be a true liberal. For example, what I sale so in my book is that defending Israel. This is what through liberal truly Burrell ISM means. I don't defend Israel because I'm conservative like shelled on they'll son, I defend Israel because he's right is the demand of the liberal values for which I did fight since my youth. We're gonna take a quick break. And then we'll be back with more with Bernard on realty when we come back in just a moment. If there's something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals better. 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Help dot com slash kick. One more time better help dot com slash kick. And now back to the show. Now, you suggest that America's retreat from a leadership position in the world is leaving behind. Void. That's going to be filled by five former empires that are making something of a resurgence. Can you tell us more about those five I can tell you the names you have a? The Turkey of the Neo soul. Dan, L again, you have the China of exceeding ping who puts his feet in the footsteps of the autumn piles of the old Ming dynasties. And so on you are the arrives of Mr. s the Mr. soul. The middle of of cashew guy. You have the Iran of the morons who are who feel themselves as being the Inari. Tolls of a great empire who collapsed, and they want to revive it today, and you have last, but not least the maybe the most. I'm the leader of the five who is Putin Putin feels himself we under we estimate Trump. We speak too much about him in the conversation in America. We speak too much about Trump, and we speak not enough about Putin. Putin is a key. Putin has a real ideology has a real program, and we an has a real target, which is to harm us. Not you not me. But when I say us, I mean, the sort of civilization, which our fathers grandfathers grandfather. Built with their sweat and their and their blood. Putin wants to destroy the civilization based on tolerance on equality between men and women and men based on the free expression, and so on and so on he has this idea to weaken and to destroy for example, Europe. And he says it. Well, my world it is not a hidden agenda to real agenda, and why is Putin advancing because he takes advantage of your and our obligation. The political nature hates the emptiness. When there is an emptiness, it is filled immediately. That's the keep the key of my my explanation in these book America when America leaves decides to leave announce that he'll she Syria, but will happen automatically Bashar al-assad hominy in Iran, and their Mustapa Jin will occupy space saving of ghanistan. The American MS Russian says, okay, we lost too much in in Afghanistan. We leave what will happen the ground will be. Okay. Bye. Bye Talibans and by the by by the Russians. So we are on one side saying that these people are rogue states on the other side we deliver to them on a silver plates and tiger parts off the world. Yeah, I'm sorry. But for our on all and for our well understood interest. This is a disaster and their regret that Mr. the gret. This great American man of Horno who was John McCain is not here to tell that at my place, and I hope to see more John McCain's if it is possible if it is possible to have search. Horrible man coming soon to to to to say that on the stage of the political debate in the west and in America. So you see Russia rather than China being the driving factor of these five empires? Why is that is that because China has increasingly built stronger ties with the you know, is because mightier in the book is that China has the money but Russia for the moment has the brain the brain is Putin, and the and the Chinese are using a Russia to advance their position there is a close link between the two there is a real Alon didn't to and between the two and Iran, and now talking you had a common that in the book you had just after the October. At the end of October two thousand seventeen there was a big meeting about Syria and about the curls between Algan Putin. And. And and the president the prime minister of Iran, and this was like the photo of gang their allied. They'll mafia mafia of gangsters while also presidents and who are hoping to to build through empires. And believe me when we speak about America imperialism. It is joke because America has never been a real impact empire when you speak of those guys they'll through imperialists, and they really don't joke with their own imperialism to be under the rule of the imperialist. Russia. Believe me ask to your listeners who come from shaky off from pond what it means to be under the root of the Russian empire during the communities and during the Putin ISM. So then I'm curious where do you fall on the Iran nuclear agreement? It was Trump right to withdraw from the agreement. What strikes me the earn consistency? The non consistency of American diplomacy. You cannot with one hand to two arrays to the nuclear agreements and on the other hand to give Iraq to give Syria to give tomorrow Lebanon to give I dunno to to to to which it would reach to to the same. Iran is an unconscious dent policy. That's what I what what I believe. Iran is a real big piece of animals ity. The question is how to continue Ron is. It was a nuclear agreement is without a nuclear agreement is it, but it is certainly not by by by abandoning the only one who did fight on the bottle. Field against Iran, which were girls they did fight against your against Iran. We abandon them. It is certainly not by making them the Iranians kings of Baghdad and the kings of them us today, they're kings in the mass kings in the inner, and if you say that that Moscow's Baghdad Tehran. What does this mean it so sort of the seed the the the beginning of the empire of which they dream, and where the this impact your come from from the bravery of the Iranian soldiers all generals who many no it comes from the fact that for reasons which I try to understand in my book, we offer them to occur by this role. We offered it to them. This is what I mean in the title of the book when I speak. It is. Phone worlds of American indication, and you've been a close ally of the Kurds of Ramini years now. And in the book, you say that the Kurds point the way toward a more enlightened democratic form of Islam there, actually respects women and minority religions in wants to be a part of the world, not isolated from it. Do you think that Kurds will ever get that opportunity will ever get the respect that they deserve? It's my it's one of my dearest hopes. Dearest hopes for two reasons for them because they dissolve because they. They. Paid so much such a high price of broad to defend their dream. And by the way, to defend you, your listeners and me, which means to defend us against all his own. If someone prevented more terrorism prevented another September eleven or another Shali Abdul, Obama Cloyne fronts idiot decals because the held the line. I saw that. This is the beginning of my book. I was there. I was on the frontline with them I share their life and their hopes, and they can tell you that they wear our unpacked preventing other September eleven number one. So I I would like a reward for them for this. First reason reason number two, I believe and and you lot of people believe that in this middle. List, which is so Couty. There is one pole of stability. You know, what it is? It is Israel because it is the democratic states. It is a pole of stability. There could be too Paul of stability and two is better than one. And the second one would be an independent co this than it is the wish of his I'll by the way, it is a Scottish of Zeile, by the way, it is the reason why Israel were the only country in the world to support though FM under which was organized two years ago, by the way, but it is in the best interest of the democracies and of the west this reward to the Kurds these worlds to their bravery and always would be as often because the world is not so badly Shaban would be as of an also in our best interest, and then my friend when morale when ethics. Means interest the best. That's honestly, the best. And this is what happened with this topic of Khalistan not mentioned in the introduction that you were also very instrumental in persuading former President Nicolas Sarkozy to support the Arab spring in the overthrow of Libyan dictator Moammar Qaddafi looking back at what's happened in Libya, Syria, Egypt and elsewhere in the region. Do you still feel that the Arab spring was a net? Positive what I know is that when a any people on the planet shows signs that he wants to push the door of democracy and enter in the in the room of democracy. We have to open the door not to close it. We have to open the he enters or does not enter, but we Democrats cannot be those who say no the door is locked their responsibilities to opponents. Our responsibility is. Is not to lock the door number one number two Arab spring. I don't know what I can say when I look back is what happens in Syria, and what happens today not back today in Syria and in Libya, compel the two situations in Syria. There was no involved. No intervention of the waist, okay? In Libya, there was intervention of the west, partly because of my the role of few individuals, including me, okay? What is the difference in Libya where there was intervention? You have these older you have some cows. You have a sort of a low intensity cows, which is not bad, which is which is not good. But which is not a comparable to what happens in Syria because Syria where you had no intervention in Syria. You had no intimate. What do you have high intensity cows millions of refugees and your cities bombed than they are raised from the face of the author, and you have this Newell Kedah, which is ISIS which to birth my dear friend, if I dare. You say not in Libya it to birth in Syria until Bashar Al Assad and in Iraq and probably because in Syria, probably in partner for certainly impact because we did not intervene. So when you have the fact of sheets the result of intervention and nonintervention issue. Compel to the situation is much more preferable in the play in the country where winter win than in the country where we did not. Well, I also want to ask you about the state of the EU these days, I know that last year you wrote and performed a one man play in London urging the UK to haunt the Brexit plan. Why the interest in Brexit? Do you fear that if the Brits follow through with Brexit that it might pave the way for Frank set in your country or specs it in Spain other countries might break away from the European Union as well, not only of cool. At though as you can see the institution of Europe are quite solid, and it is not even so easy to get out from them. But no, I was so sorry about the decision to make Brexit because I love Churchill because I love Lord Byron. Because I love. English democracy because I love the the Jordan knock because I know that human rights were invented by England. I'm because I think that the EU without UK will not be quite the EU, which I love the if Brexit rarely happens. Great Britain will become little England number one. And number two. He you has the risk of losing one of its numerous or at least three legs. We have Germany. We have France. And we have England that the three legs of the very, strange sheep. Who is EU EU is a strand ship with three legs if we lose one leg, which is the Churchillian leg. Eight might be a slow disaster. A slow motion disaster for Europe. That's why I. I did that. Just before summer incoherent holding on. Yes. You are. Right. You're good memory. Do you think that that? She let John or the yellow vest protests in Paris represent the early stirrings of movement for France to abandon the you it if the if this if the had succeeded, which don't have yes, of course, it was a one of the. It was part of the gender yellow jacket is two things allegedly made protests for more Justice on one side. But on the other side, a terrible ideology a populist ideology with some worlds of hatred against minorities, gays, Jews, women and unjust, those who don't follow them who are unacceptable, and which are part of the dacas te side of the French history. But and in the in the scope, you had probably yes. The the wish of France retreating behind eats own old roots and borders and turning the back to the hall hours of Europe. I think that the failed you know, who are. GLA John because I understand that they originally were farmers and truckers protesting the gas tax. But now, it seems more like what happened to the tea party in the US where I really don't quite know what they stand for because are so many voices involved. And I'm not even sure that they know what they stand for. No. They don't know what they don't stand for with the stand for. But God knows and what good knows if I say, you you have really if you make a mix of Bentley sandals and of Steve Bannon if you make a sort of Morphing of the two. It might be one of the faces of our our rebuttal future, which we have to prevent and it can be the face of a lot. Some lot of our yellow jacket. And it is it is not follow thing, by the way that. People of Steve Bannon are campaigning in Europe. And in France, also in order to push these sort of movement, and you have some people, Danny Sanders. No. But people who are closed the ideology of Jeremy's of a bandy Sanders, all Jeremy Corbyn, and who also campaign in the whole Europe to push these sort of movements like yellow jacket. You have an an international it is not the moxie internationally this right left leftist-rightist lorettes, leftist international of the populist movements. All over the were all across west, including USA and president Macron's answer to their demand for citizen referendums was to establish a series of public debates about the problems facing France. Some in France see this as a cynical ploy to pacify the angry mob, while others think that it's a statesman-like attempt to bridge this divide. Died and bring the country back together. What do you think aren't you concerned that he's giving too much power to the mob, and allowing so to speak the lunatics to run the asylum? No because he says at the same time that you will not abandon his own Cape his own the the program on which he was elected. He does he does not we draw from a niche from that of an infant. No, no. He just does his job of democratic leaguer. When you leader when you have an anger, you try to listen to the to the the harnessed and decent part of this anger his right to do that. No, no compromise with the worst. Absolutely, not nano and cynical tactical. I hope he's a little tactical. I hope he he he tries the best way to reunify this great country, which is France. We don't want an America divided. We don't want to France divided way. Because when it is divided. It means divided between the extremes. I would not like an America shale the between Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon. Let's be Frank. Yes. But she's is the way sometimes it looks like and in France or same in France. I would hate of France divided between our Steve Bannon who is marine Le Pen and our Bernie Sanders who is who is Ronit minoshe. We have to do all that we can to prevent that to prevent that. And this is what my contract. Macron also seems to share your faith in America. Although he's parted with Donald Trump on issues like trade and the Iran nuclear agreement. He does appear to be someone who really believes that America's still that shining city on the hill. How much of the French people's dissatisfaction with Macron has to do with his decidedly pro American stance? We I'm not so numerous to believe that because it is one of the Semons one of the concrete of the the worst of France, which is the hatred of America to hate America. In France is a national sports Donte national sport, but nationalist, bore you also in America, you you had at some point as national sport to hate the French fries and sort them fries. But we have we have that on the reverse. And this is so bad without the French. We you would not have you would you would not have the shining city upon the hill. Without Lafayette and Bouma she and so on and so on and without America. We would be slave of analogy Germany, so please this is the end of my book the on of the empire of five gangs. Please. Let's unite our hands across the Atlantic. River us brothers in arms of America. And of France, we are brother in arms. We are brother brothers in blood. We are brothers in spirit. We are brothers in taste and an will of universal liberal and democratic values. We should never ever forget the scope because if we do then we leave the stage will leave the ground will leave the floor to these disgusting elegant putting sitting being and Iranian mollahs. Yes. You do actually strike pretty hopeful cord toward the end of the empire in the five kings. You actually say that these old empires while they're enjoying a revival. Right. This moment. You express considerable skepticism that they'll be able to maintain that momentum and build something lasting and at the same time. You say despite your alarm over Donald Trump, you seem to take some comfort in the belief that America will survive Donald Trump. Why are you so hopeful I sorta sure America will show vibe Donald Trump this? There is absolutely no doubt. And if there is a Saudi wall somewhere, we have we are speaking a lot about Walt in this moment is the United States the real war. I know is the wall of resistance and made in in Iraq of American values. This is a wall a wall on which all Donald Trump's of America breaking the head and their teeth. The the wall of liberal values. The wall of American creed. The walls of the shining city of Underhill. This is a real solid wall. Not this stupid war against Mexico. The shining city upon the hill, though, being a city of dream has the most consistent and unwinnable wards, which I know these are the true walls of America, and these walls believe me will survive one two three ten downs. Hope you will not have that. But these walls are more solid than should down. Well, that's very reassuring. A once more the book is called the empire in the five kings, America's abdication and the fate of the world bear nod on relive realty. It's been a replies you're talking to you. And I wish you the very best. Thank you. My dear. Thanks again to Bernard-Henri Levy for coming on the podcast order his book the empire and the five kings, America's abdication and the fate of the world on Amazon audible or wherever books are sold. He up with him on his website at Bernard. Dash unredacted Levy dot com and follow him on Twitter at at the H L. Whatever struggles you're facing from depression and anxiety to trauma and grief better. Help can connecting with a professional counselor in a safe and private online environment. It's so convenient you can schedule secure video or phone sessions as well as challen text with your therapist, and anything you share is completely confidential. Best of all, it's a truly affordable option hick asked news listeners even get ten percent off your first month with the discount code kick. So why not get started simply go to better? Help dot com slash kick and fill out. Questionnaire to get matched with a counselor. You'll love today. 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The Imbalanced History Of Rock And Roll: The Music of Laurel Canyon in the 60's

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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The Imbalanced History Of Rock And Roll: The Music of Laurel Canyon in the 60's

"Hey Ray you're link this week we're GONNA go to a place that I absolutely under no circumstances could have appreciated or enjoyed as ain't newborn where we go and Man Holo alone I hear echoes control. Music Music Wow. You're born in the mid sixties. So I'm assuming that You weren't around when a lot of what we want to talk about. This week was going on. No but some of that music was sung to me by. My grandfather is a little baby. So you couldn't go to Laurel Canyon in L. A. Because you were a baby and nobody would have taken you there. Unless of course they had friends who live there and if they had friends who live there they would have been pretty famous. The friends I'm saying you know so you would definitely remembered. If you'd been there in Laurel Canyon in the sixties so it'd be pictures of that yes there would be total share family photos with you and Frank Zappa Sir. Joni Mitchell or any other number of people at the beach boys. Yeah crosby stills Nash Young Soko and Vins Eddie. The Bono does last. Weren't there the birds. Yeah all the birds. They're Kinda the ones we're talking about. That started moving to Laurel Canyon in the sixties. And the thing that really got my attention and we started talking about just a you know a week or two ago after I re watched echo in the canyon just an amazing movie on Net flicks and we could do a whole episode. Just talking about the Canyon but we want to talk about the movie. 'cause I thought it was stellar. I it rekindled a lot of things in my head and little fire in there but it also remind me about what that scene was and why Lou Adler was one of the coolest guys ever in. La Rock and roll illiberal. Adler was so rad when it came to all of that. And he was the man all all the studios wired. He had all the artist wired. He knew the people he how to make these amazing records and with the equipment he shows in the movie echo in the Canyon at one point. He shows the equipment he had to work with at that studio when it first started and it's pretty astounding what they got out of those sessions with the equipment they had at their disposal there in the mid sixties and not only that the fact that they were partying and as many Hallucinogenic substances as. They were and doing some of the things that they were doing. That's the miracle there were some crazy sessions. Like somebody was passed out stuck their head up. Got The vocals out past back out and they recorded that and that was used on an album. Yeah Lewis talking about that at one of the sessions and the fact that Lucas pull the best out of everybody under any circumstances. What made him one of the many things that made him as exceptional as he is. We're often running and we're already doing. What is our look at Echo in the canyon here on the imbalance history of rock and roll brought to you by our good friends at crooked eye brewery in the heart of half broke with the cure for what ails you since twenty fourteen. Let's talk about where this film started. It really started as a project between Jacob Dylan and also Capitol Records President Andrew. Slater they wanted to take a look at all the music of that. Eremita these amazing studios the own. The neighborhood out there right so they started out to make an album right then. The album was coming together really well and it gave him some other ideas and it led to a concert and that's partly what led to the film because they started filming all of it. You know kind of all congealed within the concept is really great for documentary. What they're talking about is iconic to people like me who grew up loving and during that West Coast rock and roll sound of the fifties and especially in the sixties and seventies and stuff so the film slides between interviews and studio shots live performance pieces in a brilliant way that highlights melds together each of the parts. One of the things I found it very fascinating is is. The project started after they watched a movie called. The model shop and segments of that movie are interspersed throughout the film as well including the moment where the actor. The primary actor in that film is standing outside one of those beautiful houses at the top of Laurel Canyon looking at it L. A. And having a lot of people call their. L. A. Moment or as one man one said to me when I found religion and that's not an true religion sense. You know what I'm talking about talking about that crazy. California religion and people find it in different ways when they go there and the canyon was perfect for anyone. I mean if you're a Rockstar and you're out there record in living anyway a lot of people move to La to become stars right just like any day. It's been for a long time and you're the birds and you've got a few bucks in your pocket and you find out that there's this place up the hills just off the strip just up the hill and you can go and get up there and get it for a certain price and you can make that happen. Well that's what the charge was led by people like that. David Crosby was the first one to move there and he is featured quite prominently in this film. Is you'll see. We go through the topics that are discussed in echo in the canyon. I really enjoyed watching it. It was so much fun to watch and see how all of these different lives join together and that included a lot of Hollywood types. It was people who were avoiding the plastic and fake life of Hollywood and wanted to be completely away from it without being too far from it but and that was from its earliest days back to Clara bow and Tom. Mix those people live there because like you said it was proximity and it was away from everything and that kind of continued through the years to be that kind of spot. Because it's not like it's a little road it's like this huge Canyon Complex back there. Some of the stories that came out of it were absolutely mind blowing insane like for example somebody would knock on. Somebody's door and say oh. Can you check out this riff? I just wrote her. Can you hear this? And then a song was written in somebody else's house and it's absolutely mind warping to think about because that would never happen today. Clapton is a character in the canyon because he just loved the whole vibe right and he talks about one day wherever he was staying. I don't think he had a house there but wherever he was staying. Knock at the door. It Stephen Stills who. Somebody told me that you really dig our Song Bluebird no wanted to come over and play it for you. Steals came in who is by the way. No slouch in any manner of speaking. He's one of the Great Guitar Player. Was One of the most underrated my view so he comes in and plays it for. Clapton sitting on the couch in the morning and stuff like that. The scene that we described in the Alice Cooper podcast where they go to audition for Frank. Zappa happened in Laurel Canyon. Joni Mitchell lived there the mamas? And the Papas lived. There were crazy you start getting into it and they start getting into the birds when they're talking to the guys in the movie and they've got mcguigan involved but one of my favorite things in the movie and they go back to it a few times unbelievable house where they hold the first rehearsals where he's there with back and I guess it was. Regina Spector and J casinos and I'm sitting there looking at that house with the globe swinging over the Pool L. A. In the distance and just the beauty of a classic Laurel Canyon. House is the setting for where they decided to start figuring this thing out and that's where the rehearsal started kind of follows all through the whole process of putting the concert together and filming and interviewing everybody. They have cut aways Jackson Browne. Sitting with Jacob Dylan under the trees somewhere. The Tom Petty scenes at the Record store the Tom. Petty scenes with the Rick and backers were just unbelievable in the middle of the twelve string. Yes and how George Harrison stole it from Latin. And you have to watch to hear that story. It's really great but that's also part of the sadness in this movie as far as I'm concerned because seeing Tom. And what was his last appearance in a film or documentary of any kind right before. He passed a little hard to watch. But I'll tell you what the man crackle with energy in that came through and you can tell that Jacob really enjoyed hanging out and Tom was very open about the influence from that time period on his music and hearing the birds for the first time and being like what did they. Call it. The The folk rock special. The twelve string rickenbacker because it could bring so much life to folk music and make it folk rock Roger mcguigan was talking about was the cross pollination that was going on and you had you know that whole thing with the birds and you also had the beach. Boys and the Mamas in the pop into Beatles were into this too. They came in and out they break. They wanted to know what was going on up there. Ringo had some very interesting things to say about psychedelics. And his time spent there and the Canyon and McGowan had some things to say about the joint. Rolling Butler is well from the Rolling Stones House. And you know I'm a lot of good stories in there have to watch to get it all while we mentioned cries. We mentioned stills. Nash was there too and I think he arrived into the middle is realized he was with Joni Mitchell and our house was written about Laurel Canyon Lady The Canyon and she still holds court by the way so the birds move in there and at that point. Johnny was still a Kid Canada. You know working her way through the cross pollination between the Beatles and the byrds is pretty incredible. Because it wasn't as publicized. Remember it being a story but it was pretty early on. The Beatles loved the birds and the birds love the Beatles now in nature the birds would eat the Beatles but in this case it was a mutual admiration thing and it led to cross pollination and cross cycle zealous Asian as NASA and speaking of which. John Sebastian POPs up in the film. Shocker and he's in New York and he's talking about Getting to know and meeting Gwen and talking about how Gwen was complaining. That he couldn't get anybody to pay attention to his folk rock style that he wanted to do in New York Club scene in New York. And then how he travelled to L. A. and went to troubadour and got pretty much the same response and that's where folk music at large was just before the birds were talking about the progenitor of folk music from the fifties forward into the sixties and the list is long okay but it's a different thing. Now this is something that we discussed and this is one of our little sidebars. We have here on the podcast while we were watching this. We both realized that birds. Coming along and taking dylan songs and making them into. Am radio hits? Which crosby said was putting poetry on the radio did that. All HELP INFLUENCE DYLAN TO GO electric in sixty five newport. Absolutely because somebody said in here. It was the day that John. Sebastian met mcguigan. He played electric full key. Version of I WANNA hold your hand opening for hoyt accident and the people were pissed they did not like this electric folk sound that mcguigan and his cats were doing so the birds formed. And then Bob heard the birds play Mr Tambourine. Man With the electric twelve string rickenbacker and then all of a sudden by win on a light went on with Bob Dylan and they were the powerful band. Everybody wanted to be in a lot of ways and the things that we learned during this movie. We mentioned the story about George. Harrison's stealing or just taking the twelve string rickenbacker from John Lennon just by chance story. If you go watch and you get the whole story would just talking about it because it's one of those things where we don't sit here and talk about movies very much about documentaries very much. This thing has so much stuff in it. It has so much of an impact on selling stories. Every minute is filled with information. That's going to make you say exactly I. Seriously got writer's cramp cream was driven by pet. Sounds according to Eric Clapton. And then pet sounds is why we have sergeant pepper. Rubber sole is why we have pet sounds and the mamas and the Papas new. The birds couldn't believe that they got on the radio and the birds got on the radio so we can get on the radio and the birds even admitted that they were bad and they had to practice and practice and practice and they thought that that was part of the challenge in the excitement of doing what they were doing it was. Oh my God every minute seriously is insane which brings us around to Michelle Phillips because you mentioned her comments about the birds right. The thing was she was rate. How her partner is saucy and honest. It's the sixties version of rumors explained with the Mamas. And the Papas was a rumor situation. Makeup some breakup and everything else that was going on. And she's totally frank about it and I really loved that love. Cnn but also loves seeing Lou Adler and her going to the studio where they sang Monday Monday. And all those great songs looking at that and get goosebumps just thinking about brought me back to my childhood right away bone and it was Michelle. Who brought up the fact that in one of her visits to Brian Wilson's house. Who was there in the Canyon? When she walked in the living room was filled with nothing but sand. Everything was taken out. There was nothing but sand and the grand piano and she talks to ply his wife. Like hey what's going on here in the white goes crazy right. But he's writing. Some great songs though songs became pet sounds. I never knew that that happened. In that was the atmospheric create Brian's and he comes into the studio with the guys tells them they're in the wrong key start straightening everything out being Bryant. And you see it was the leader of that man. Without Paul. No doubt no doubt and when he went to his room because they're talking about the song in my room and the film when he went to his room. It was really hard times for the creative aspects of the beach. Boys which we'll talk about all this is happening in Laurel Canyon and the impact on all of the music that we hear today. Laurel Canyon was a huge huge part of what we hear today and why we hear what we hear today. Jacob Dylan's fantastic is the host of this you know. What else is fantastic? Frosty cold delicious brew from our good friends and sponsors at crooked eye brewery here on the imbalance history of rock and roll. I know when I'm thirsty. I head to the heart of hamper and go see my friends at crooked eye brewery. I want to thank Paul Paul. And the whole gang for their support for our podcast. It's been great. When you WANNA taste the freshest most creative brews in the Bucks Mont you go to Crooked Eye at York road and Montgomery right there in the heart. 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I watched like transfixed watching young Neil young in the spring field jumping up view Mr Soul. I just Kinda got transfixed by just drawn in in the cockiness that he had in those days now he says recently. I just WANNA take care of my music. He doesn't want a tour. Does this does that? Just wants to take care of his music but back then he was the beginning of the Rye. And you saw you know stills in his cowboy hat them just doing their thing and the Beatles got it that they were the California rockers and they interacted with them as well. So this is how all these guys got to know each other and got to know all these stories that were getting in this movie and the fact that there was so much intermingling so much. Creativity being bounced back and forth and not in a competitive way but in a mutual admiration. Way is very very impressive. David Crosby was featured prominently in this film. And it's the scene where he in Jacob's pretty much. They're standing against him like a black iron wrought fence just looking at over the valley and looking out over the canyon and just shooting the breeze right and he actually set the record straight about why he got fired from the birds because there's always a PR twist and he basically said it was. Because I was an asshole. He said that yes. I mean openly Jacob Dough and the funny thing is hey standing there and they're talking about all these different things and he's talking about how the birds were there and the Mamas and Papas in the all. These other bands were there and then Dylan showed up. And Jacob stops and smirks and goes. I'm sorry you're going to have to be more specific. It was his. It was his great comedic line in there and I hate to give it away. But it's real it's still won't lose. Its impact and that the thing is you're talking about the sharing music cross ed in that same setting. The scene was people's homes. People will be playing music. They'd hear music and they go in and they'd added Guitar. Just hang out and jam with Graham for the afternoon or what are. The rules. Didn't apply there in Laurel Canyon right no rules because of all the stuff. You're talking about earlier about stimulating substances. That can make you stay up all night things that can make you see things things that make you feel fine. All these combined in an atmosphere where the scene was your house my house our house. They cannot crosby said. It was the lack of rules. That inspired the chemistry. Although one of my favorite moments is when Ringo's talking about everybody running around naked in Laurel Canyon until they saw him George pulling up and then they put their clothes on he. Goes was very hippy. Bombed that they couldn't take their clothes off. And that's exactly what. The people put their clothes on miss by not waiting five minutes to see what happened. Nash. Compared that scene in the sixties into the seventies to nineteen thirties Paris as far as the creativity. And the artistry of all kinds. That was going on right there and and with neighbors joining in left and right echo in the canyon the performance part. They use all different kinds of people people who weren't in the original plan. They just keep adding people norah. Jones is in their Fiona Apple's in their backs in there yeah Belk was in that original rehearsal. Mckee smartly expanded to involve different voices. That could do the songs that they wanted to do. Regina Spector was amazing. But going to the studios where they were made and re recording using basically same technology as much as you could eat it really a neat twist in a great idea to incorporate into a documentary of any kind really if you stop and think about it the only. Abbas performances were really impressive. She did in my room. Yeah which was really nice. Her Jacob Together had really nice chemistry really and the ban that they put together was really solid so and it was some of the guys that were in the studio and some of the guys who were different live or additional people live and in the spirit of sharing and stuff like that one of the things I really like in the film is when Clapton basically tops to inadvertently stealing part of the Buffalo Springfield Song question for his Song Lay rain. He illustrates at everything and I thought it was interesting that even though he was more known living in England and other places that he should consider Laurel Canyon such an important part of his artistry art that he would want to be part of a film back and I thought that was an interesting angle to the and I give credit to the team. The put the film together Andrew. Slater's the man behind it and Jacobs. The man who executed the plan. I guess you'd say and I think it leads to amazing film about an amazing place stands the test of time as a place for artists to live in proximity to where they make their art Whether it's in the recording studios which all right there along the Strip or the record companies are worth film studios which is a lot of people that live. There now are In film or television because they can one of the other things. I found very interesting that they did back. Then because we did this in the eighties. And I know you probably did this in the seventies and even the sixties as well as the record parties. They had in the sixties. Oh record parties would all sit and listen to other people's records and that's just cool. Those parties were fun. We'll think about it. Okay you're one of those bands we've been talking about for the last little while and you either get a new single acetate or the new album acetate. You WanNa try it out on. A Good Stereo word is that Buffalo Springfield has their new album don. And they're going to be up at steals his house. Funny Story about stills to they go to still has to go and they listen to the new APP or they go to somebody else's house so and so has inviting people over and that was part of the atmosphere that crosby keeps referring to funny thing about Stephen Stills. I remember hearing news about this when it happened. I guess but there was a famous bust at Somebody that they might even have been Stevens House. And he said that he went to Get help and people gave him for running when the man came in the front door him running out the back door. That story was hilarious. Because here's a man who's in his accomplished rock and Roll Hall of Famer successful in every level this an and the other thing copying to the fact that yeah. I guess I kinda did and it's haunted me. It's bothered me all these years. 'cause you don't think of California guys you don't think of them as being burdened by stuff like that but real life man guys say that those kind of things are part of what's refreshing about this movie and its view of everything too little unvarnished. You know it is. It's pretty raw. Yeah and I'm sure there's more but the things that were discussed in the characters that are involved and the fans of the scene that were involved people like Patti. You know the came along later but love that and continue to plug into it. I'm surprised Dylan didn't make an appearance didn't he? Oh wrongdoing because doing more specific you would seriously think that Bob would have had a word to say or too because of the influence on that or at least Jacob could have given more information about Bob in relation to it because of his close ties or his blood relation and Jacob was fantastic. But I did expect to hear more about Bob during this and that was the one thing that surprised me. You know the one thing that surprised me was that the Lady of the Canyon hardly gets mentioned at all and wasn't involved now so that may have been her health at the time of filming and all them but I think she is a figure in the modern history certainly a Laurel Canyon and continues to be the queen. As far as I'm concerned and she was there at a time when Zappa was alive and living there and other people who were the other creative geniuses and there were there. Were all right there up in that little network roads in the Canyon ZAPPA standing in the middle of the street reading the brain. Police to Stephen Stills phenomenal. I would give anything for that now if there were iphones era. We'd all seen at the next day exceptional moment in life to experience. It's a beautiful place in. I had my moment with Laurel Canyon one of my first times going to La. I was at the concrete foundations forum. It was very early in the morning and I was taking a cab ride from the hotel where the party was all night. Back to my hotel and shit you not coming over the hill all my way down towards La Brea. Freefalling comes on the radio as I'm driving out of the hills listening to a brand new song too and it just hit me rock and roll in real life intersecting right there in that moment my first time coming down Mohallah. Yeah because the hotel was over in universal city and you had to come over Mulholland to get down to where I was and I know it's real personal crap but that's longtime ago. Now that I think about it but the lure of the canyons those Hollywood hills those Hollywood nights that Bob Seger views. What he was seeing feeling is the ECO. The ECO in the canyon is that sixties feel into the seventies. And if you follow the film you see the characters continued to be introduced crosby stills and Nash and young are all in there throughout the whole movie. You get down to the end and you're starting to get to the point when they stopped telling the story where it's going to be ceus in next and then why and you see why partially at least right. It was in the studio plan a little bit and at the end of the movie. There's Neil laying down the solo on the title music for the ending. Just cranking it in Neil tone. Yes and Graham. Nash had maybe one of the other really exceptional quotes of the many out. There you just basically he just said music can change the world and he was right and the thing was he said it with conviction. I really believe that. And he's not given up on that. I noticed that through the years. That's the main tone he wants to set for his time here. Unity Love Harmony and music can make you feel things that can help to change the world in a better way. Just gotTa let those messages in some people just hear that pretty notes. It's much more than the pretty notes. Yes but it's definitely the pretty notes as well my deal. Marcus I would love to see a tour of all these musicians doing this coming philly kind of the way Day The tour is well because trusting. Dave Grohl do the big show in New York City if they go out documentary but it would be fun to see Jacob. Bring everybody out and do that if they go out. Go tour did they would come to Philly. Right would love to see this. I Dunno Yona was exceptional and it was just such great chemistry back. It gave me a whole new look at back in his talent and his genius which is so quirky and so unique that God he was so marvelous in this as well in chemistry between all of them doing the Mamas and Papas was really fun to see. Schilling really was the sound of. It was really amazing much different but still true. I recommend if you like rock and roll and you like the history of rock and roll that you check echo in the canyon out because it's an important time period that shaped rock and roll that we know in have today it's all net flicks. Its Echo in the canyon and check that out and then check us out with your feedback on this episode and everything else. We do here by heading to our facebook page imbalance history of rock and roll on twitter at imbalance his sto. They won't give R Y no matter how much we wine about it marcus. I'm done whining about all right. Then and now he's not an then you also can email us at imbalance history at g mail DOT com. We are a production of dark duck media recording in the magic bag studios today. Thanks for hosting Mazi. Thank you for behaving almost all the time. We're also on the Pantheon podcast network. Aren't we yes? We are one of many great shows on there. If you like music. You like music. Podcasts YOU WANNA learn about music. There are many different ones that you can choose to listen to alongside the imbalance history of rock and roll. Check them out. Check US out and we'll catch next time right here on the imbalance history of rock and roll. 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Performance Anxiety: Mark Bingham

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Performance Anxiety: Mark Bingham

"WHO's in their vote amount? Of Water election. Days. Now. Biggest Here from deeper digs and rocker archaeology John Are you registered to vote? I know I am. Headcount is a nonpartisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get fans to vote. Top date or check your voter registration status go to headcount dot org or you'll find all the information you need to be ready for election day? At, headcount dot org you can also check your registration status because I don't know if you know this but millions of people get purged from the voter rolls every year. Everyone should check their registration status every year. The deadline to register to vote in some states is as early as October, fourth so you want to check before that. You can also request an absentee ballot, get INFO on early voting finder polling place and see what's on your ballot. Headcount is a nonpartisan nonprofit that tours with musicians to help concert attendees registered to vote. But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head count dot. Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Jab. Brain from new. Star. Everybody will come to performance anxiety a proud member of the Pantheon podcast network. Will Have Mark Bingham on the show. He's had quite a career in the music industry. He got his start by winning a band competition judged by Howard Cosell, which led to him writing songs, for Elektra, records in the sixties. In fact the Everley brothers record one of them. He was there while the doors were putting together the soft parade album and he's worked with Sun Raw. Historians incredible at the time Joni. Mitchell thwarted a record deal because it's stolen bicycle. He also tells me who the cloud who has sake and does the disaster is from Buffalo Springfield Mr Soul. He's staying busy including playing with Louis Show and we showed melody makers and they have a new live album out called cosmic cages from Saturn. Look for him on social media. For US performance annex. It if you like these shows consider supporting future episodes by visiting Kofi, that's Ko. Dash F I dot com slash performance anxiety, and contributing to the cause. Also, check out Pantheon podcast network and listen to other great shows air like let it roll the imbalance history of rock and roll and long may you young? And a ton more. So without further ADO, here's Mark Bingham on performance anxiety. Hi. This is. Melody Maker's shows. No. It's plural. Four of us. And we are a band. You we play. Cosmic Cajun music although we didn't decide was cosmic Cajun music someone else decided for us. In tonight. Listening to me. On performance anxiety. Relax pour yourself a drink do whatever you gotta do. This is a nice relaxed casual chat. Right. Well, thank you so much for joining me. I'm looking forward to. Speaking with you since I started doing some research and finding exactly who he worked with in the past it's been. It's been amazing. Well it's been a lot of it. But I WANNA? I WanNa find out how you got into music in the first place were would your family musical family? Did you start in bands What was your first strength? I started in bands I think. My Dad. Dad liked music of certain sorts. Okay. Bolognaise monk, and he took me to see that when I was. You know ten or something. I was lucky I got to hear a lot of stuff and I had moved from Indiana to new. York when I was like. Thirteen or someone so when I was in there. I got to hear a lot of great music Oh. Yeah, and I heard. I got to go to. These shows at the Brooklyn Fox theater so I could see. Little Anthony and the imperials, the miracles, the Marvelous Chuck Jackson. And King. Curtis was the pit band Oh. Wow Century I got to see a lot of really amazing black music when I was younger. And I started playing I just got picked up the guitar and I started I'd actually was singing in this band and I played some guitar. And then I started writing songs and then. I wrote songs and then some people liked the song. So the next thing I knew I was getting signed up, you know to write songs, but the humorous part was just sort of A. Metaphor for the entire music business is that. What I was writing were constructions more or less. Okay. I would I was. Writing a little bit of this about. So that I was using I had a friend who had five tape recorders is dad worked for RCA. NBC as it were, and so we were going is based on where we started. This would like sixty five. Sixty six that year. Okay. And we would go there and start record something. Then we play it back on one character and record it to another. And we kept going that we overdubbed. Weird. Things and the. People they thought this was really interesting. The minute they signed me up there. Okay. Now, learn to write boy girl songs like, John Phillips I was like what? Oh? I don't know how to do that. What are you doing? You know so so it became. I started trying to be a songwriter write songs that I was very unsuccessful. Because, I really wanted to just do crazy stuff I wanted to be like Archie Shepp I didn't. and. So it was. elektra records, which is an amazing label then okay. Yeah. Me Up. As a writer and the head Jackson Browne at a guy named St Noonan who has a good writer, the headed dining morales camp that was a good writer. There's a bunch of people. So anyway, it was I was way out of my element. I was not a hit appeared at all. Just a we're. I. Was more. Of a distance runner. Got, up. Every day at five thirty in Iran seven miles. And I was in training and I was a little too slow for the Olympics but I was pretty good. You know how? I was going to go to college on a scholarship and all that but I like. Music came along. Let's see. They're gonNA give you money to do this or you can keep getting up at five thirty in the morning and you're still not going to be like all that. Great. So. I enjoyed running for a long time but I didn't run competitively since I was eighteen you know. But. That was so I started in in with that. Band's at high school and we'd play band battles and we played dances and you had to learn. The you know everything from do op songs to all the MOTOWN. There was on the radio anything that was on the radio plus. You know yardbirds any blues and we all were started listening to all the blue stuff that we heard because we learned about the Brit bands getting their stuff from it, right? Okay. Okay. Was it was a time where you learn to play kinds of stuff and we'd play we'd go from Little Red Rooster. Walker brothers Oh wow. I. Mean it was like really eclectic to Jay and the Americans. On the slip and says, and we'd we just play whatever we. Swear I think that everyone now, most of the people in my high school band got record deals. So was a pretty decent ban. Wow, and they had in this band called free beer came out of that was a baby. Yeah. That's a great name. I love that they're on Atlantic and then being called Papa Nivo. member. Bands and then. One of the guys that was in that whole scene he ended up in the band looking glass bets long brandy and many in that turned into stars with Z. how? This. Is All like high school of all, my Gosh, the. Stars was a of Jersey. Guys. Man I. I live in Jersey I lived in Jersey for thirteen years. Right right. So In fact, I was reading a little bit of. Your history and that your your high school band you want to. Ban Battle and the judge were Howard cosell cousin Brucie and Bill Harvey Right. That's I'd love cousin Brucie I grew he was still. Doing his oldies these show back when I was growing up in the eighties and Those are the though you know I can do Howard Howard Cosell Bill. Harvey. was like. All that impressed probably because I was going out with his daughter so. That made him like not take me seriously. Howard. was like. Stuck Bingham's. Music his song shown or shining like jewels in the night. Should. Give up your preconceived notions. And look at this young man talents. I would say some Shit Lake that. He lived in that town, my sister used to hang out at their house and. Anyway, so I don't remember I don't know I remember going get my sister from a play date or something if i. Would have been four years younger than me say how? If I was seventy drive? She couldn't drive and I go get her in. Hillary cosell. was there anyway I? Hopefully. It, but here's a single you out of your mind I never did that. Memory. Cousin Brizzi Yeah. Muny had been. Paying the hair. Harrison. Here. Yeah. A whole scene there now, the K.. WCBS FM my gosh good radio and then great. So you are in the eighties and then you had wh what's the one across the river there that really amazing station in Jersey. God it's like free form station. What do you own there? WAS THERE WAS W Sou, which was really term. IS IT FM you? May. Well, there was an Sou I'm not that was more of a college station Shirley Dickinson? School Oh. Okay. I know what you're talking. I don't remember call signals. Yeah I know that is station was amazing and. It was. So there's a lot of great. You know you oh yeah by so music just got I just got into. I got into the music and I you know and largely as a fan, you know when I was a little kid. When I was like eight or something when I started before, my dad took me to see. So I was totally infatuated with the Everley brothers, hell. Transistor Radio and I'd sleep with it and they'd have to come and try to turn it off after I. passed out with because I was eating up batteries. I. Guess. But and I remember and I love the four seasons and I went berserk over I would stay up because WABC was gonNA play the new single and I'd stay up late late late in case they played it in the middle of the night and I remember. Being a camp counselor out in the middle of the field in the middle of the night with Transistor Radio it candy girl came on for the first time and I just about wet my pants now. So beautiful, and then years. Later I was working in Malibu on a record and Neil diamond was working the night times and we were working in the daytime. And and then we'd stay there. So I'd hear this Neil diamond going all night while I was sleeping in the residential part of it. and Bob Gaudio was producing the record and so. He let me play his base and I. Tell it was the same basis like on walk like a man and big girls. So I was like Oh my God. Was a telecaster Bass with round wound on it. L.. Boy. Oh. Of course. I wasn't Bob Gaudio but. He. and. So but the Everley brothers did end up recording one of the songs you wrote though. Well they did and I never heard it again. How did you find that out? I do my research man is that in some article? Is They? Yeah, I, was so excited by an here's how you got I was on Electra. The. Electric. Got Really Weird for me. Jack Colston only one at gave virgos and I was like a straight Aquarius although I don't know who's straight in those days. 'cause when I moved out there moved into this house and they had pushed all the beds in one room. Wow Oh and like I said, I wasn't really a hip kid. It's like. Okay. This is interesting. And you know I would i. Would call this guy that was producer. and. You know talk to him in the I'd hear him answer the phone. and. Seeing all the producers in La then they were all the drug dealers. That's what's so fun. Always They were all the dealers because they have. The best we eat and they had I guess there's a thing about. The higher you get the better. You can listen or something or I don't hide anyway I different that. It was a very different were. Let's say I can. So I was out there and I was with electric for like. Oh, I, mean I still signed to them for a while but they gave me a job as apprentice producer, which meant I picked up people at the airport. I listened to all the unsolicited demo tapes. I was the assistant whenever own with so on. So many drugs like the holy Mol- around with record I was there the whole time and Peter stanfield still doesn't remember that I was even there. Oh My. Sam Sheppard me and Sam Sheppard of the people there that weren't on drugs. All Sam. Was a drank but he was like. But? Yeah. So anyways, so I get up. I'm living in this house. In Laurel Canyon. My electric thing is Kinda over I'm sitting on the couch and this place on play and. Play the song and plan this guy comes over to score. We'd from my producer or whatever. and. The guy on the kitchen and I'm playing the song over the guy comes in and he's this British student he goes. That's a wonderful song. I think it's perfect for the elderly brother. You know I was like, oh. Wow. Well, great. So then they signed me up Oh man, it's I'm on Warner Brothers says an artist. The. The sad part of this whole story here is that the producer was not only a drug dealer he was. What do they say in scarface using a little too much of his own supply or getting high in his own supply. He became extremely addicted and then. And his wife was an amazing musician and was also in Warner brothers and they were like eating up advances to and he was shooting it up in. Just kind of ended up getting out of their meanwhile we cut four songs to which came out on a single. Brothers because of because I sorta left Warner brothers like that. I. Never even I didn't make it onto any of their records and I never. Man, blow it's one of those weird things and So the the funny back story of this, the producer guy, his wife was in a May still is an amazing singer and songwriter name was Esra Mohawk. and. She had made a record with Frank Zappa under the name her original name was sandy. So as got signed to Warner Brothers made this record called primordial lovers in the meanwhile her husband is. Gone Berserk Joni Mitchell was our neighbor. Raise your Mohawk. His name what he goes down the hill and steals Janis Bicycle. There's no blocks in those days he takes jody's bicycle. It in by some heroin. CA. Then the next day he goes back to the people the House he sold appeal to and steals it again and sells it to someone else. So meanwhile, he he gets arrested. He has to he jumps bail goes back to Canada where he's from and never enters the states again passed away about I. Don't know five or six years ago Oh my gosh amazing guy and he's the guy that put the Buffalo Springfield together. When they say stick around for the clown who is sick while the clan who is sick does the trick of disaster lets him he was a clown he was sick. And they were disasters around him constantly, but he was still an amazing. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. So we cut like. Few years later as has gone back to L. A. after being you know. Should they had to go live with her mother or something by for a year? She didn't get arrested, but she got like SORTA be good. Back so she gets back in the. Then she's GonNa, make the GonNa work on disres- Geffen. And joanie hears about it and bollocks though thing and says. You can't sign her she's told my sick. Anyway. This is like I'm sure this is an incredibly painful thing for yes or Mohawk. So hopefully, she not listening to it and. Drive down to me or anything Oh my God. Anyway that's. There you know there's A. Go Go ahead go ahead. Ask Me. So I was Gonna ask that it just run the same time that you got to see a one of the doors records being made which album was at. Boil. That was like the the terrible record be soft parade. Okay. Well, you know they spent nine hundred hours on that wreck only God. Yeah and they didn't have any songs. They didn't. Okay. The first doors record to me. Amazing. The second record pretty decent waiting for the sun cool stuff and they started getting ECLECTIC. It was more like that was their version of the. Amount of time you know. We. Let's put all the old songs that we didn't like to put on it I do. And maybe we'll come up with something and maybe somebody can figure and then by then they were cooked for raid was like and then it was like Oh yeah. Let's let's take this weird band that has no songs left and put strings and horns with it. were. That's all it takes. So anyway it was but. You. Know I thought Jim Morrison was a really nice man. Yeah, well, I could say, I. Mean he was he was nice. He wasn't. The Lizard. Yeah That whole stick. So. When did you move from? Writing and producing to actually being the full on producer you had full control. What was the first job that that you had control? A full control. So like me as a producer is full control is never an issue at. What you do you. You bring this, bring that and do this and do that, and maybe you have a vision but control is. Not The right word for you? I went in. Let's see what I went back to Bloomington. Indiana where I was born and I went back to school there. And I started working with some of the bands there, and that's when I started doing it and then I I put together. I kinda joined this band that had been banned for a but it was. kind of a floating hippie band and then Okay. And that's about when I started doing. So I think it might have been nineteen. Nineteen seventy okay, and semi I'm looking at some of your credits and. It's blow. It blows me away some of these bands like flat duo jets, Glenn Brian. John Scofield Rem you know. So, how did the ram out of time job come about? I? Mean you worked on strings and? Offer that. A. I think they ram thing. See if I can call it into a short thing I had. It goes back to working with HAL wilner. Okay and HAL. Hal It's been now's has been three months gone now Jeez oh wow. Yeah He he died the day. There were twelve hundred people died in one day in Manhattan. Yeah bummer. How I'd been doing this stuff. Remember how Oh right right now I remember it was we're doing we're doing these multi-artist records with like. Colonial moncur Carlyle where doing one for Disney and classic Disney stop. And it was Cadillac I knew. I sorta new Natalie merchant in and I thought well, it'd be great to do Chops late shower. To. Bambi. We love movies where they kill the mother in the first. Five minutes. Just that's terrible. Terrible I hated that movie because they did that or like does I'm still traumatized. I've ever seen that all the way through. You know it's it's brutal. It's. Only don't go back to fast bender movies they. Up what else so anyway, so get Natalie. And I'm talking to her and we're GONNA. Do this sounds good saying well, we need a back and forth male foils what about like this guy in from echoing the how great What about an and then we are a couple of people she meant we couldn't get that. We could get them, and then she says we what about Michael? Stipe. So this is one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, seven, not oh. WHO's that? Literally I don't know. Yeah and and she goes, oh, he's the REM. I. Was like, what's that? She's like really and it's like. I'm you know in the middle of this other stuff? Lame. I live in New Orleans I'm not on the scene what? Anyway. So I check it out and there's A. School, that will work so anyway. He he calls me. and. I'd say tell them about it goes fine. and. Anytime I if I said anything. Other than what we're talking about directly. He would say to me Dude Save for the book. Wow Yeah I was like okay. So I quickly learned. He didn't WANNA. Hear my any of my. Inside uninjured but so. Anyway, and then I ask him well how's How's the how do we do with the money on this thing and he's like? Oh, you have to talk to Jefferson. So I was like okay. So then this Guy Jefferson calls me. And then we set it all up and we set up to record in Atlanta and how can't go so I go by myself. And we go to the studio in their first off we go they they say. Are, him tells Yo you're you're staying here and I'm like because I'm used to crashing on people's couches right? Right I'm not like you know these we were on am records but. This was not like we rewrite a state of the Chateau a few times, but it was like we weren't like role in. Our Shit. So I get to this place. Is Hotel and it's one of these things got this huge. It's like cut. Four. Hundred plants in the lobby and like and I'm like, wow, this is weird. And and I off Jefferson was like, Oh, this is this is nothing. To pay anything because you're doing this thing and. I still didn't know who these people were. Out At this point. Like. Chase. I. Get to this thing and they they give me this. Key the special key, and I go to this floor and you have to open the. Room and he walked out and these people start giving you tells and and there's this whole like room full of food for you. Oh Wow and I'm like the fuck is this. Completely. I, an Natalie's Aaron. I guess my in now. So I'm sitting there. Anyway. So I'm completely confused by this and we wrote a studio. We have a nice time. We went out and Got Ethiopian food and and it all it all worked out and. and. Then this Guy Jefferson was like so you got any music, your own what are you doing? And I was like, yeah, I've been doing it thing with wilner and so I sent to him and he's like they had a label called doggone records at that point, which was mostly Jeffersons. But I'd all the side projects are the ram guys. Go J. so they put that out and and then meanwhile. Michael really liked the Allen Ginsberg record. and. The line for real blind for and he liked the weird shit that I did on that. So. They got to a point of I I started visiting them. I. Went to Woodstock during the green recordings and they would ask me Shit like what do you think about this cello line what about this one and I was like I like that one. She's good as great. I mean I you know I know you know so that by that point I knew who they were. Yeah. This point I think my son was a baby and Michael took all these videos of him. And then he projected them bouncing behind the band on you know. So it was like Whoa cool and so and then I became friends with Jefferson and But. The you know I think. Peter in Michael Mike Meals didn't really They weren't sure what I was going anywhere by the time I got there. They WanNa bring me in but Michael wanted me and the other guys are like, what do we have to do that for? So it was always a weird thing and the other guys wanted to whole sample there and Michael I don't think talk to him for a year or looked at him on. Stage together. So you know it's a very isn odd. Energy that thing I loved band after I got over the fact that I was so out of it on A. Immediate. Famous and WHO's hitting now level, right? You know I love the band and I understood them the same way understood the grateful dead and that the sum of the parts was a zillion times more. Then if you took those four people to buy themselves as players. People x the greatest day minor in the world. You know and and Bill Berry's. He's not that good man as soon as bill left, the band couldn't groove any more exactly. So it's like people forget that it's this weird chemistry between human beings. It's not about who's better who's more technique or is just in in The Dad made all this stuff and then you know all right you know. But it's not not the bill in Nick Air Dennis Chambers. They're not. You Know Adam dykes or something they're likes. You. Know they're just guys. You know they were into it then and I almost said intention I'm not going to go and not going to wage on your your. New. Agers were into alternative facts way before trump. We right bag after a word from our sponsors. You mentioned the you were in New Orleans at that time. What brought you down the we go from New York to new. Orleans. Well, I, went from New York. I was in New York you know and I would. You know I was working I had construction jobs. My ex wife was got a job on Saturday night. Live is the photographer. That lasted a year and then they were switching around and. Anyway I like working construction she got a job as a waitress it was the middle of the summer of eighty two I was Kinda like I'm sick of these. You know I, mean I was the scene was like. It was really I still have a lot of really good friends from that. Era You know yeah. But it was not something that I really felt all that great about. Musically, you know. Okay and I liked playing with Branko but I didn't like the same thing and anyway so. So I just. So we say well. I was trying to write a play ahead of really crazy idea and they thought well, I'm going to take some time sublet our place. Go to New Orleans for four months. All right and I'll just ride my bike and ride and see what happens you know. Okay. Yeah. So I did we did that in the for meanwhile patty my ex wife Patti parameter name is she got a book deal doing a photo book of Science Fiction Writers. On the road taking pictures of, Octavia Butler. Only. Awesome And Sam Delaney in Joanna Russ and and. Win and. Isaac Asimov and enough I'm jealous that because I've I was a photographer for years I went to college for and also that Oh. That book is still floating around how what's it called have to find that both the faces of science fiction. I'll I'll have to look for that now. You know it's like. I think I threatened to kill. We died because the printing was so bad. I'm. Sorry way to. Ship. Stuff anymore. and. I didn't really threaten to kill. But. So yeah. So we stayed in New Orleans and the Guy This music writer named Howard Mandel. He had sublet the place and he kept it till eighty nine when they sold the building. Allow, and so I didn't never went back to that apartment and I still had my studio set space in New York, which I'd go back and forth to. And then fill glass took that over and so I shared that with them for years a lamb bedroom in the loft studio was field glass. Tape Storage Room. So I'd wake up to looking Einstein on the beach. God. And there was great and I like really like Don Christianson who worked there in miles, green Dan Dryden and this Kirkman Casey was there they had a receptionist hated me and thought it was like the devil though made it. Looking at me, disapprovingly. Why won't want WanNa know why she thought you were the devil. I'm not really sure. You've you have with some really interesting people made some a really unique music like Glenn Branca. You also co produce unresolved pink elephants on parade. That interesting. Talk. Japan. All right. Well, you know. I mean, the thing is. That was that was ninety percent, Hal. A sunroof and I went to see Sandra. Way before that I had seen Sun rob like five times so I knew what to expect but basically the funny part was you know it was like, okay, you we've got six and a half minutes on this. So like make an arrangement for that well. Analog tape running at thirty was. Sixteen, almost seventeen minutes in the tape ran out. So then it was said to cut it all together and it was before pro tool. So that was a huge ordeal to turn that into what became, but then they got really and played a lot of Disney music afterwards. So I thought that was interesting. Wow. You know became you know disneyfied because a lot of great music in that you know pre. You know you know got weird by the seventies by Oh yeah can. Came back thought Aladdin was great but. I think that's a Disney movie. Yeah I think every version of it is at this point because they've. Just, released one with. A live action type of one with. but that you know there's the people that wrote that music were really good only. I'm not a big show tune Broadway fan kind of like. I mean, I, Don I. I work with this Guy Michael Servers who's. Done all kinds of Broadway stuff and he's He's just a brilliant fridge and musician he was also in Bob Mould. Zeman was the lead in Tommy, you know he's like and he well, there's this other project we've been doing lately this Peter Steinfeld hundred songs. Okay. One on a year for the twentieth century and Michael Service played on that was ridiculously good. I mentioned this thinking about Aladdin and seater. Theater versus music, and so many people there in the theater a great musicians. But when they go out and try to do it at the rock and roll world people don't take it seriously because they're actors. So stupid because you know service can totally rock and just because he can do Sondheim and of doesn't mean he can't you know. So this this is what we're. Things that always bugs me is like. You know so many people have so many great talents and then You should go back. You know it's the stay in your lane yeah. You know and but yeah, I I have questions You know I mean I think I was entirely inconsequential. and think. I don't know how that ended up in any. Press Accepted Sunrise was from Saturn than so as our band. Advocate, okay worked with sunrise I. Saw Sunrise wants a friend of mine got really drunk and hated the vanity dance in front of the stage and said, this is bullshit this little. Then the whole band started yelling back at him, you're bullshit. Bush. And then he and then son raw body had a cockroach and somehow anesthetize. It wasn't dead and put a bunch of rhinestones on it and handed it to someone in the audience. I kinda like that Oh my God. That's crazy. The Bird Bloomington Indiana circa seventy four. Oh Wow. Anyway. I. Saw Two stories and I have questions about? The first one is that NPR is not very happy with you or Andre Kadrescu. Oh well, that's so long ago that they wouldn't the people. Even know we exist. And what is I guess it's old man living in the woods and. And and he's not on, I don't know if he's on anymore because I never listened to NPR. I'm driving my car and it's you know but I don't WanNa hear I don't want to hear the news I don't even I don't. Even. Look at it I. Mean You know I look at science and I look at I study economics and I study certain things, but I don't study the idiots. Right. Since this was this was the Christmas album that I would work with Andre on his He would give his little blurbs. He you know he's the inventor of the Word WanNa be because he called girls that. Were, imitating Madonna Madonna concert in the early eighties he referred to them as wannabees in it cut on Oh cool. I didn't. Do that under his claim to fame aside from surviving as a writer and surviving Ceaucescu or whatever you know. And So, we did this this thing that we made a record, which is beautiful record. Although. It's a little dated now because it's that was what is at nine, hundred, Ninety, seven. Is called the Valley of Christmas and it was A. Romanian folk tale kind of like the troll under the but about a boy who never wanted to grow old. And his adventures finding the Valley of Christmas where everyday was Christmas. and. Then when he decides, he gets sad need decides to return he wants to return hall is. In his sixty five thunder burden drives and drives, and he sees nothing but miles and miles of. Dead TV sets. So it's bleak. So at the end of the thing. There's no humans left. Last. Human on earth and he dies. Apparently they didn't vet. This is the NPR all things considered Christmas. Whoever producer was way worse than we did. They stopped using any of my little tidbits for between. Things and. They started slapped Andrea and the risks I guess I haven't done anything for them sense and I. I did a lot of stuff in the eighties in the late eighties and early lead of recording blues stage shows. You know anyway. So yeah, it's like I wouldn't know. That stuff anymore it's like. You know you work on some disappears then it's now it's old another thing. In two thousand and. Seven or eight or something Donald Harrison the Sax player in. Jazz. Composer Guy. He. He made those that You made a bunch of those. Okay. All insidiously, yeah, New Orleans style in my studio. So. I was this close I've gotten to them in years. All right. So the other question I had can I didn't really see any details on this. I just saw a little blurb that said, you. Did a CD with Andre Williams called fattening frogs for snakes, and you said, it was one of the weirdest sessions even countered in almost fifty years of recording. Andrea I, Love Andrea and he. You know he was around and he was a friend of Johnson. Clare's this is really a Johnson. Clear? Project. Fingertips press down on the strength of. Tar on Small Town Street corner or broken down back would soon join. In the darkness Saturday night. Or on a bright Sunday morning. You know rams. Four. Shirt. Making music to praise the war and. Another that he brought Andrei in to be sort of the music director. But let's just say we were in. We had this house in the lower ninth ward right on the industrial. Canal. Industrial Channel they call it. C. T. C., they call it cross to cal. Okay. The CDC boys didn't come visit. US. and. So we would set up in there and we had a low pro tools. Reagan was early pro tools two thousand one, and so we had musicians and sinclair brought some dude came from Detroit. And we were in the middle of building my new studio that have a place. I don't even know if I had a place to live at that point but. Andre. Andre was in the midst of being Andrei and so we'd have good days and bad days and the if it if we stay under the If we stayed in one fifth Bacardi in two walks in the neighborhood. It was a good day I. We recorded tons of stuff in the musician became really frustrated 'cause. He would disappear come back and tell him to do something completely different the next time so. Wild we had a good and then I would have to drive the singers back to near the airport every day you know as one of those like jobs where I was more like. I would run around and get food I would go this I think it'd be. there. Was a producer on that. What I just recorded. I don't really know. That's the thing remember. What do you do all these things that you but Andrei? Brilliant Guy and you know the in theory. The in what do you call it folklore. aretha Franklin's boyfriend when they were teenagers. Really. So. Think about that one he. He was talented enough on a large music scale to conduct sale Franklin's choir. God. And then all those great forty fives and all the Raunchy stuff that he did out of that you know. It's so you see you know the. The closeness of Heaven and Hell. One of the elements that I didn't even I didn't actually realize you worked on that I. Liked. It came out really just. In researching this. Realize it. You're involved in it is James bloomers album a bad blood in the city. I just recorded it in Vernon. Vernon played on it and Vernon. Charlie played Charlie Byrne played. Violin. And Leon I remember that old session it was pretty pretty great. I'm generally the BASS player. Fan So when I saw that. I was so thrilled to see that come out. Off. Data. Now. That is a great record. I thought I wasn't crazy I didn't mix it and I wasn't crazy about the mix because they. They did the stick the blue the modern blues stick the Bass Drum up in your face thing which is not really the way it was played. And the best the best story from that session was Ag- I had this guitar for years which originally belonged to John Scofield and they had made to Ivan as Seventy eight or seventy nine for John and John Pick the one he liked gave me the other cool had this whatever and that was in the studio and Blood Bloods Guitar is tuned e A E inactive lower. hiree active lower higher. Yeah. So, it's like strain. That's how he played college. So in the middle of the session his. Guitar broke. And he had to play mind which is in regular tuning Oh. God He didn't hardly sound any different so I mean he preferred to play in his tuning but when he played regular guitarist was brilliant all my God. That's amazing yeah. August. So how did you meeting Louis Michel? I went to there. I started going to this. There's a brewery near here. And I went and I had mutual friends. And somebody that at the brewery, one of the brewers was a musician wanted to do some stuff. Like code I was doing and Louis was booking all the bands for the brewery and you know. Listen that going on Elliott like there. So one thing I started working with this guy at the brewery on his crazy music and then Louis heard it and he thought it was really cool and he said he would play on it. So that's That's how I met him. I'll. I had heard the band zillion times I met him once although I don't. I can't didn't remember this until a few weeks ago when in the restaurant right next to my old studio because. His cousin was claiming. She was his sister. Like some. Weird. What and that's not my sister my cousin. That's Like a two minute meeting when I was going into grab a coffee for slim and I was like, okay well, and he'd been in the studio for something but I can't remember and I didn't work on it and it wasn't like t-bone. Burnett things or any of that there was some some movie but I can't remember what it was. So when did you start to actually play together with the Mitchells melody maker's or deer? Is this twenty two year about two years ago? Yeah Okay I forget what year this is. One of forget what your this is. Not got my Kovin test today. Oh my God. Oh. The results are actually just take it. No I just took it. I just got the shit stuck up. My nose might had had no symptoms I've been isolated for four months. Yeah. But I just figured. Why not ask sorry I've had checkups and I had no fever I have this you know but. You never know let's go say hey, might as well you know better safe than sorry. So the only way Louis Yeah Louis was again they were. Lewis had the melody makers, which is mostly a trio and they were playing and I've been working with them on in recording them. and. You know and then on different things with Louis and then. He said, they said well, come over and sit in. But Great. So I went over there and And it was amazing. We were like what the hell and then I started doing gigs who was that simple? You to this day we've never had a rehearsal really know we've made it all I mean Louis Directs and we we learn the stuff on stage I'll. Played shows with him where we played no songs that I knew for two hours when we're playing for like out in the country and it was just like Oh, we can't you know revved up. Let's just play played straightened. Let the people dance do their thing and and and so it's I like it because you have to listen constantly because Lewis started left tournament. So it's not you can never go to sleep on this ban. I really love that and the fact and Brian Weaver in. Hilton, are both really really good. So that makes it really fun because you know we can really We can blow it up pretty good. Yeah. I've. Really enjoyed the album blood moon. That's I think dance I. I can't do Cajun. So I'm going to dance carry carry. That's my favorite track off that I. Absolutely love that Song. has just released a live album has this song called blood on the album but you on the cosmic Cajun's from Saturn there is a song called blood moon right and if s Louis about that I have no idea. He is blood moon is that appear Improv? No, okay oh well. No I think Louis. Knows what he was doing. Like going Oh that's what he's doing. I mean, you know. It was like. When those things work They're great and when they don't work, it's like you know Jazz Odyssey at Knott's Berry farm. And Hopefully we're. We're. We're on a level that even when it's Play long to make it horrible if it really isn't working such. It's fine because his kind of continuing. The the whole tradition well, not really. I've had. Louise been a guest on the podcast I've had his cousins. The Rayo brothers have been on I've had Johnny Campos came on. Yeah he when when weeks island came out he he was on, we spoke with him and now you. So this I'm. Almost feel like part of his family at this point because it had so many people involved in his music on your well. You know you get Brian's got a cool thing coming out with a harp player. In cassie Watson is really killing it, and so maybe you'll get a chance to talk to them and get everybody in the entire. That'll be great. What have you been up to besides getting? Stuff up your nose for Kobe, have you been working on anything while everything's been on lockdown? Oh. Yeah. Well, I mean we I've finished this. You know the Mammalia makers is funny because when we we're going to do this live record and I was like. Okay I'm GonNa Hook up work bring gear and I got that and we got you know good Mike Preempts. He set it up. We gotTA sounding good. That was really like I'm a guitar player on this I'm not like. Okay fine. So then somebody was gonna mix it. They mix them That's not it's not right and somebody else started. That's not right. So then it was like, okay, fuck it. I'll start. So I worked on. NIREX. You know I wanNA know how the sausage is made. Of just wanted to have fun and play guitar and abandoned. Up worked on that, and that was like you know a good amount of work because we had. Four sets to listen to shed to make rafts of four sets listen to Davis to that throwing your two cents in eventually Louis came up with the eight songs that seem to work for him and then we. Worked for. Everybody. But so we were Matt and then what Else Mixing Steven Bernstein. Yes. So I'm been mixing this Steven Bernstein hot nine with John Modesto instead of Henry Butler. Oh. Wow. Mix that record. And then I've been working on this sort of this hal wilner. Memorial thing which is has the poet Gregory Course. Marianne Faithfull. And Hal talking. And I've made tracks for bunch of Gregory Poems and then. Made this big long. Nine? Minute? thingy of. Albi seeing you which was house signature song. And I got all these different people. I got willy shorts from in Bremen Germany to play on the accordion in sort of music at style and. Steven made a a brass choir of real slow mournful cut somebody playing like a second line taking it out fast at the end. So it's and then I made I took all these pieces of. Intros from. Like songs from that era and melted them together and then added the. Mutual forms of seeing you in the middle of that. So it sounds more like. Greg. Hunter S. skier winning. Thanks you know. So it's it's a very bizarre piece and then it comes in and Gregory courses like. Course. So sick in bed and Marianna Taylor, visiting him, and he's like it bring my drank give me a drink. He must drink on top of morphine. It's a it's it's very surreal and who knows who will ever listen to it, but somebody will oh man. and. I wrote a book during the whole time. Tell me about that and I wrote a book called it ain't my fault. which is You know a great. New. Orleans Song smokey Johnson. That is of like the New Orleans national anthem on some level. So. you know in New Orleans in the nineties. Now, my son is a teaches creative writing in the university and he Alabama and he is a great writer and he's So he's sending. He's been giving me notes so. When he doesn't he's supposed to give me notes again tonight and so then when I redo it, it'll be the fourth draft. I'd never never wrote a book like that before and it's like you know four hundred stricken ages it's like. I'm not. You know. I ain't Don Delillo you know. It's A bunch of people ever added and light of my son read it and liked it enough to take notes and didn't say dead don't quit your day Gig so hopefully. So you know we'll. We'll see. So I'm really that was there was a great thing to do to just focus on. and. I set up to work on songs when this whole thing started lousier. By myself since March, the eleventh. and. You know I was supposed to go to New York all of March I kinda like. It fell through. Thank God. Thank God. Yeah. So. Anyway. So I So is good but I set up to record songs and I just didn't feel like playing took me quite a while and then. I've been doing this Hoagy Carmichael stuff is old like lost hoagy. Carmichael road now has forty songs at never came out. So I've been working on all these old songs in some of his few his classics. And I was going to make a record with that and then it just because of while the pandemic stuff that guitar players in. CHICAGO. One of the other guitar players won't leave the House that he's in with his parents. Better. So that got put on back burner but for well I got into that again and got back into singing and playing some feeling like, okay, I'm a musician again. You know so but it was good to be a writer for a minute that sounds like. A great product something like you know really good way to. I don't want to pass the time. You know something different to do instead of sitting around wondering what the hell are you gonNA. Do when everything gets canceled well, yeah. Well, I mean, you know we may not have any gigs for two years. This is the reality we may not know. So we're just all sitting here and everyone slipping out everywhere and I've seen more people break up more people I mean. It's just people are moving here moving there getting out of this doing that. It's easy and and then, and then we Like around here today. Basically what I saw when I went out today and I had to stop. And they put a mandate for masks. For Louisiana but no one was paying attention to it and the reason was there saying well. You have a medical condition that prevented from wearing a mask then. They don't wear masks right and we're not allowed to ask so hip. To whatever you want, and then that's what this very red state is doing. Yeah. They're on. Fuck you to the Democrat governor. Well. I've I've kept you almost an hour and I mean I wanted to I wanNA. Thank you. So much is their. Social media where people can follow you for four. If and when the book comes out or any of the media will be at some point but I haven't really. You, know I've I've made it this entire time without a manager. Warren agent or a website in my entire life. I take I feel like it's like I'm like the Odysseus thing like where he's. He blinds the cyclops. And then he could get home like in two days but he's an asshole. Any tells cyclops I. Did it sued? fucked up in the I. Cops tells his father Poseidon. And it takes ten years to get home. Feel about promoting things. Okay. Well. Everybody keep an eye out for these books in. Music for Bingham. Mid Thank you so much for spending so much time it'd be. Awesome stories did these. tastic. Do. Do.

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Schiff & The Dems Implode Again (Ep 1076)

The Dan Bongino Show

1:02:02 hr | 1 year ago

Schiff & The Dems Implode Again (Ep 1076)

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host Dan Bongino on Gino. Thank you thank you thank you another absolutely packed book signing last night in Vero beach. Era People up in the balcony was packed. See pictures out of youtube account was just unbelievable. Thank you everyone had showed up for my book signing for a new book exonerated moderated Vero beach especially the guy who came from Michigan people drove over from Fort Myers politics pictures. Yesterday it was packed. You all have really been great. I can't thank you enough. I have a book signing again tomorrow. Saturday two PM Barnes and Noble Palm Beach Gardens and what does it October fourth in the villages Paula Souza October Fourth Barnes and noble in the villages is my my last two. You can also go to premier collectibles and get my book over there as well so thank you so much. It's a great honor producer Joe. How are you today Dan. It's Friday. Hey So yeah it is from. Doing this and everybody Joe and I've had a very long. We is yeah. It's been crazy. We appreciate your patients. Yesterday was the most listened to show ever. Thank you so much and I've got more on that today. Let me just lay out what we're going to do. We're going to cover the hearing yesterday and how sleaze is ball slimy Adam Schiff a broken jellyfish of a human being. I'm completely humiliated himself in the Democrats as another hearing the attempt to destroy the presidency of Donald Trump imploded in their faces I I I WanNa pick up where we left off yesterday about what they're really hiding with with crowds strike and the Ukrainians Biden stubs bad but they're hiding something else year before you. Shou- funny I they got John Solomon's revelations last night and a couple of other stories about the new rules folks so don't go anywhere all right. Today's show brought to you by buddies at helixsleep. Demos is comfortable mattresses. 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Show because yesterday was such a blowout me at such great people coming over to signing you all left me reinvigorated energized so yesterday at the hearing what happened we had the committee led by human sleazeball. Adam Schiff he brought up the director of National Intelligence regarding the whistle blower complaints not really a whistle blower complaints deep state operative operative wants to take out donald trump who leaked some information that was benign to the media to do spy gate number two the collusion hoax number two. That's basically what happened. As as I said yesterday and I said on Laura Ingraham show this was a professionally orchestrated hit the leaks to the media advance. The hyperbolic language trump made made promises to a foreign leader though the way the legal citations in the footnoting was worded in in the alleged whistleblower complaint the way that they talk about the classification of the document if it were to be classified later. This was professionally orchestrated hit. Don't go anywhere because we're GONNA. Show you exactly how this happened but showing you what a slot but completely slimy sleazy slime easy. That's my new words a slime ball who sleaziest slime easy person Adam Schiff is here's Adam Schiff making up completely fabricated out of whole cloth fabricating the charges that he says her in the whistle blower complaints and he goes on later to claim he was just joking. It's real funny funny time. Congressional hearings about impeachment Adam Schiff thinks thinks is funny though Israel Joe Patchy Ray Liotta. We'll get the goodfellas records. He thinks this is funny here. Is this slimeball. Adam ship completely making this stuff up. Check this out the essence of what the president communicates. We've been very good to your country very good. No other country has done as much as we have but you know what ah I don't see much reciprocity here. I hear what you want. I've favor I want from you though and I'm going to say this only seven in times so you better listen. I want you to make dirt on my political ponant understand lots of it on this and on that I'm going to put put you in touch with people and not just any people. I'm GonNa put you in touch with attorney. General the United States my Attorney General Bill Bar. He's got the whole weight of the American law enforcement behind him and I'm GonNa put you in touch with Rudy. You're GONNA love him. Trust me you know what I'm asking and so I'm only GonNa say this a a few more times in a few more ways and by the way don't call me again. I'll call you when you've done what I asked. This is in some character what the president was trying to communicate with the president of Ukraine. It would be funny if it wasn't such a graphic portrayal the president's oath of office but as it does represent a real betrayal. There's nothing the president says here that is in America's interest after all. This guy's a drill bit. I think that's a compliment for him. No I think you're being very generous. Thank you Daniel you understand. He just made that whole thing up yeah that what he just now now now why again this has been covered on cable news and I think the difference with our show is the Y. Matters. We haven't said that alone. We always explained the bill. Why did he do that. Well obviously number one. He has no character. He's a spineless mindless jellyfish but we knew that that's not news Adam Schiff the sleazeball. We knew that you know ten years ago. Why did he do what he did. Well well two reasons the actual transcript of the call between trump and the president of Ukraine where Democrats allege that trump sold the country out and Wiz requesting information on his political opponents which is not true. The actual transcript is benign. You may have a political critical judgement about how trump conducts foreign policy but there is unquestionably no criminality and I'd make the case that what trump said was totally appropriate. The corruption of binding the Obama Administration with Ukraine is something we should be looking. I'm not willing to forfeit that argument to people so that's number number one he didn't read from the actual transcript and literally lied to you and the American people because there's nothing in the transcript that's going to indict or impeach. Donald trump nothing Bingo Bingo so he had to make it up and he's a man of completely completely devoid of character. He has no morals or ethics at all. He's not a broken politician. She's a broken man. He's not a bad politician. He's a bad human being. He's an unethical awful person. I would not trust with my accountant. My kids kids my car my house nothing he's a broken man but secondly he did it for another reason and this is the Democrats tactics. The Democrats have a propaganda arm. It's called the mainstream media they work for the Democrats. They work for them like Sycophantic boot-licking but kissers. That's what they do they. They were employed by them. That's what they do. They may not be physically taking money but they sold their souls to them. A line of Faustian bargain longtime ago the Democrats knew if Adam Schiff did that and lied about what's in the transcript give us information are portable shake. Whatever nonsense sleazeball shift just spouted from his soup cooler? They knew that's what the media would pick up there. It is that the media media was going to portray that what's actually in the transcript because they're boot-licking sycophants with not an ounce of integrity either folks as we said yesterday in again. Thank you for our most listen to show ever the trump. Ukraine call and the whistle blower who reported on the call. The original claims are false. There was no quid pro quo in other words deal cut something for something they initially stated trump threatened to withhold hold military aid to Ukraine if they didn't investigate hundred that is not in the call that has been debunked. It is a hundred percent false second. They said trump best for a favor to investigate Hunter Biden. That is not what he was talking about. The favor was to investigate Ukrainians role in the corruption of two thousand sixteen election. Thankfully trump asked for that. They made that up to finally trump told so let's get you need to talk to Giuliani Alinsky. The Ukrainian president brought up Giuliani he not trump so the three central tenets of their accusation which we discussed at length yesterday we're entirely debunked so shift made it up for a compliant boot-licking media a lap up like dogs and throw that out there might be that Batman movie with Christopher Nolan dogs like dos when that guys talking about kill him goose ways they pegged like Docs Docs like dogs. They're gonNA LAP it up. Now thankfully breadwinner strip congressman Republican Bubba on the Republican side. He came back and pretty much slammed stuck. Atom shifts face so we needed one of these so I don't WanNa. Leave you in a bed. Listening to Adam Schiff will always put a a bad move because he's a jellyfish spineless human being and just a broken person. Here's Brad Winter Republican just dropping a bomb on Adam Schiff for the stupidity. Check this out to withhold information nations from you is the chair this committee or the Senate and tell US director I wish I had the confidence of knowing that but for this hearing but for the deadline that we were force to set with this hearing that we would have been provided that complaint but I don't know that we would have ever seen that complaint Dr Webster themes to Chairman Airman. Thank you Mr McGuire for being here today. You know I think it's a shame that we started off this hearing with a fictional remarks the implication of a conversation that took took place between a president and a foreign leader putting words into it that did not exist. They're not in the transcript and I will contend those were intentionally not clear and and chairman described it as parody and I don't believe that this is the time or the place for parity when we are trying to seek facts nor do those that were involved with the conversation agree agree with the parody that the chairman gave us and unfortunately today many innocent Americans are gonNA turn on their TV and the media is only. GonNa show that section of what the chairman had to say but I'm also glad to know that many Americans have seen this movie too many times and they're tired of it. No ooh Wee wee books gave us cigars we need. We need the cigar yeah. We need the Sagar thing we need a cigar thing so bad right out and talk about Otago the libs Nice job of course these are owning the lips thug life class. I just wanted to play that to not leave you. In a bad mood on Friday knowing that there are people out there who are tired of this spineless jr spineless jellyfish Adam Schiff and are willing to say so in front of the television. Devon newness by the way also did a spectacular job. I play clips all taste of smoking. He's like hey congratulations to the Democrats on their latest. Rollout of their latest. Fake news very nice Devin nunes okay. We got that now. I told you I would explain to you quickly here how this was an orchestrated professional hit. Let me set this up. I'm GONNA show you Adam Shifts tweet in a second now the date of the tweets. GonNa matter and what I'm going to tell you. This was a professional hit. This is not a whistleblower complaint. This was an inside deep state hit on Donald Trump folks. Adam Schiff has claimed repeatedly Lee that he did not see the whistle blower complaint until just recently now. What is the city's policy of Timber Twenty six or something. I don't even have any seven twenty seven twenty seven. So just you know I know. Liberals are listening to have a tough time with facts and stuff. It's now September twenty seventh Friday. Adam shift is claiming up until recently yesterday today today this week he didn't see the whistle blower complaint had no idea any of this was going on. Remember what this is. It's a deep state alleged whistle blower who who complained about a call trump made in August to the Ukrainian president where he the allegedly sold the country how to get information on his political opponents. That was the allegation shift says Joe I I didn't know anything about this until recently really check out this tweet from shifty jellyfish this shifting the date on the street by the way is August twenty eighth. You could see because the Tasha Bertrand Collusion noted collusion hoaxer and formal deep steep stayed operative for Adam ship look at the date August Twenty eight twenty nine thousand nine hundred quote Adam shift on his tweet trump is withholding vital military aid eight to Ukraine while his personal lawyer seeks help from the Ukraine government to investigate his political opponents. It doesn't take a stable genius to see the magnitude of this conflict or how destructive it is to our national security by the way he he he tweets by the way quote retweets Natasha Bertrand who says breaking trump has asked his national security team to review funding for Ukraine to ensure the money's being used in the interest of the US folks. What does this sound like to you the collusion in hopes and their partner D. E. U. Harsher Bertrand. Oh Frenchie there on the other side. He's back folks I told you to Natasha. Bertrand is up there with fusion. Ken Delaney and these are the lead collusion hoaxers. These are the propagandist up again this Pravda Red State and I don't mean red state like Red Republican Red State advocates for the Democrat activists and hit job aw people in the deep state Bertrand was one of the lead collusion hoaxers leaks her infusion Kendall Amiens and others Ignatius at the Washington Post where Intel people feed to them falsely leads shift is conveniently quote tweeting a collusion hoaxer saying hey we're hearing rumors. It's about this Ukraine stuff joe. They just hearing rumors folks. It's obvious shift had the complaint early now. It's obviously a professional head. This was being coordinated with the media who works for the Democrats people like collusion hoax or not conspiracy theorists and the Tasha Bertrand Iran noted conspiracy. He's like a medal-winning conspiracy theorist. This was all coordinated. This coordinated head now again again adding some color to it. What should be done folks. That whistleblower needs to go up to the hill. Yes sir get them up there. Get him or her up there. Get them up there. Get that whistleblower. Get him up there and I had my suspicions by the way again about who coordinated this whole thing's thank working on some stuff there to stay stay tune who was not pretty get that person up to the hill right now and let's see exactly who they spoke to and when under oath. I want them under oath. When when exactly did you speak to congressional staffers about this because Adam Schiff says he didn't see it until September but he's tweeting out in August allegations that are only in the whistleblower complaints along with these deep state ally propagandists conspiracy theorists. Tasha Bertran sounds like a pro hit to me. Of course it's appropriate because they're hiding something which I'm conveniently going to get to right now. Let me just stop a minute. Let me read this we have we have. We have three sponsors steady always great because I want to get this. I want to roll through this. I have some really good stuff but we have some really terrific sponsors that left to talk to you. Be Unfair them. So you know the rest of your stuff so I really appreciate your patience folks. Thank you very much. I've got a stacked showed it a promise. Today's show brought to you our buddies at Policy Samburu national life insurance awareness month. Most people are not aware of that in fact. Most people aren't aware they need life insurance at all. That's why forty percent of Americans don't have it bad move but getting life insurance doesn't need to be difficult to even expensive right now. Prices are the lowest they've been in twenty years. Two years twenty years and policy genius has made it easier than ever to get covered. We love policy genius in this House because it's easy. There's no hassle who wants to go through the hassle spending two three hours on the phone policy genius. 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Gentlemen yesterday was an I an explosive show revelatory. We told you about a couple of things how this whole scam whistle blower gates really deep state gate how it's all an effort to hide something and I've been getting a lot of emails receiving a lot of emails from you all and I really do appreciate it and some of them have said this and you know 'cause you email them to me listening Dan. They're not really hiding the Biden stuff. They're hiding the crowd strikes. I agree. I discussed that yesterday. I'm GonNa hit a little bit of that today as well another angle on what they're doing here but they are hiding the Biden stuff to folks the soppy ridiculous. Nobody wants a big scandal with Obama's vice president breaking during a two thousand twenty election regardless if if Biden nominee as well and what I mean by that is some of your emails. I got a lot of them yesterday. Just said well. This is being orchestrated by the Democrats too because they WANNA a knockoff. Biden is the front runner folks. I totally completely one hundred percent disagree with that. I think that's a faulty theory. The Democrats Biden I already losing. He has already fallen out of favor. He is a gaffe machine. Nobody wants a Democrat the biggest scandal of the new news cycle to be focused on Obama's former VP as they're running and have to answer questions about it folks. I've got evidence for this. I'm not just throwing this out there. Because it's my opinion member yesterday during the show we played the Elizabeth Warren cut yeah where she's asked about the scandal when she finds out it's about Biden issue automatically backtrack Kamala Harris same thing think ladies and gentlemen none of these nominees running in front of the micro demanding an investigation Biden. They know Biden's Joe. He's a he's a wounded political political animal right now he is they get it and what what does that some sue. The enemies destroyed himself. Get Out of the way right. That's probably not even such as they say that everything they say son. Su said where's the beef during the Wendy commercial data just get out of the way Biden's collapsing now. Nobody wants a Democrat that scandal I again. I respect your opinion. I love your emails but for those you saying all the Democrats wants to I one hundred percent disagree but having said that I do agree that at the bigger scandal and you know my buddy seven nine one of my good sources he agrees to that this is about crowd shrike which donald trump brought up in the transcript. We brought up yesterday now. Now I discussed crowd strike yesterday. Quick summation crowd strike is associated with the Atlantic Council Viktor Pinchuk a big wealthy Ukranian donors to the Clinton Foundation on the Atlantic Council. It's stocked with a bunch of anti-trump and actually former. GOP people as well who don't like trump the Atlantic Council partnered up with Arizona the company Joe Biden's kid went to work for in this looks like to be a corrupt. Do you know Biden seemed seemed to be a over in Ukraine at the time. His son got the appointment to Berea. I explained connections in this web of people yesterday but what I I said to you. Yesterday is one of the angles of this. That's been ignored is the Atlantic Council's ties to Pinchuk and I think the Atlantic Council and the people involved with crowd strike. We're the ones who who who were heavily involved in fostering collusion hoax because I don't believe the evidence that the Russians hacked the DNC server is strong having said that Pinchuk Victor Pinchuk remember the names. What else are they hiding so. I'm sorry for those you didn't list you. Listen to yesterday's show but if you wouldn't mind check it out I I didn't mean to gloss over over that but I don't want to repeat the whole show bottom line is this crowds shrike was the ones that determined not the FBI at the Russians allegedly hacked the DNC service. That's the whole Russian collusion oaks and they gave the information of trump later if the Russians did not acted the ANC servers you understand the hoax falls apart yeah the FBI never got service. Yesterday I explain this intricate web of relationships between people at Crowd Strike Shawn Henry Crowd Strike Bob Muller who had worked for Bob Muller how sussman at the DNC who was involved with with getting the information the FBI and referring the thing the crowd strike like in other words ladies and gentlemen they all know each other these people the Atlantic Council assessment but one of the people who funds the Atlantic Council. Is this Guy Victor Pinchuk. I want to show you something because one of the theories we'd put out there early on about the muller probe was that the whole purpose of the Muller Witch Hunt Was the silence people Joe Silence people involved heavily in the collusion hoax and now the Ukraine actual scandal with the Democrats to get them to shut up and then one of those those key people was Victor Pinscher so sang join Ijaz the audience there is a Russian collusion scandal scandal involves the Clintons and the OBAMAS involves the Clintons promoting skulk of Oh this Russian military intelligence theft project the Clintons promoted the uranium one deal the fact they use theo who use Russian sources all of the Clinton Russian collusion Obama Russian collusion is real it involves on the Ukrainian side the Obama Administration getting information through DNC Sarah gets you left from Ukrainians about trump and feeding into the FBI that makes sense now now when trump got elected. They needed to cover their tracks. You wipe the dirt there. They needed to cover that. They were afraid people are going to start speaking out. So what did they we do the Muller team went after people who were involved with the Clintons and the Democrats and tied them to Donald Trump the answers the everywhere where Vex o'byrne Ole Dera Pasqua yeah and one of them is Ukrainian Viktor Pinchuk by the trump. They can get these people to shut up. You don't believe me check. Check out this piece. Scramble your eggs here. Listen to this muller is reportedly investigating one hundred fifty thousand dollar donation from a Ukrainian billionaire billionaire given to the trump foundation by yen Ni Li Monday April nine twenty eight hundred who is that Ukrainian billionaire major ager Clinton daughter Atlantic Council board member. Were all these people sit crowd strike all these anti-trumpers Viktor Pinchuk now let let me get this straight how `bout how `bout that Viktor Pinchuk Ukrainian billionaire who's heavily involved with the Clintons and the Atlantic Council where the whole. DNC hacked by the Russians. Thank crowd strike all that all these people are meeting through the Atlantic. They we all know each other right just to be clear or if they don't know each other directly they're all in the same sphere of influence right the same. Guy Pinchuk who as unquestionable ties to the Clintons he's one of their largest donors at twenty five million the foundation and who as we said yesterday the Clintons tried to distance themselves from when all this started to come out Muller's investigating for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars speaking taking feet to trump by the way no allegation of illegality at all every speaking fees people pay me to come speak sometimes time. There's nothing unusual about that. Why would they do that. Folks put your as mosquito further saying Mr Soul my fifth grade teacher. put your thinking caps on boys. They're doing it to shut pinch. Shook up. Pinscher is a man who paid some money clearly to people in politics buying influence. Leave that for you to judge Pinscher doesn't WANNA be on the bad side of donald trump so if someone came and talked to him about about is operations which I'm going to get to in a second operations with Hillary Clinton someone had to shut him up so what it better way to shut him up and to send the Muller Go. We're looking at your stuff for your payment to Donald Trump. He's probably looking like Donald Trump the hell are you talking about. I gave gave Hillary Clinton Twenty five million you look at one hundred fifty thousand dollars speaking fee. Vicky Vicky Vicky Josh Pipe Down Buddy now pipe down about what pipe down about what let's go to peace number two. I love using left-wing resources by the way it's so great because liberals are go. Paris airy really Newsweek. This is your guys rory. Ross US Newsweek ego YouTube dot com slash by Jean. You can see for yourself. I'll read it for you. I thought you were nothing pleases me more than using left-wing resources right you get the point. Newsweek Rory Ross four eighteen thousand fifteen. Give you the time six fifteen. Am Eastern Daylight Hillary Clinton's big benefactor has trade links with Iran. Oh Oh really go oh. Who could that be Hillary's big. I wish we had the thinking cap. I was said No. I don't want to say thank you can't we. I appreciate you all said Foil Bill where we will look we will get. Let's put our tin foil picky who would have suspicious ties to Iran who's connected to Hillary Clinton wanted who's also deeply involved with the Atlantic Council who has connections to crowd strike that determined that the Russians hacked DNC servers when we have had no hard evidence of that and by the way he happens to be Ukrainian as they're accusing trump of being involved with Ukraine's who could benefit well. Let's go to the peace little piece. I'll answer that question for you again from mm-hmm from left-wing Newsweek another propaganda outlet enemies of Hillary Clinton wanting to discredit her for her. White House bid are likely to seize on news that one of the biggest benefactors to the Clinton foundation has been traded with Iran and may be in breach of US sanctions imposed on the country. Oh it lacked cute. Ukrainian crated oligarchy Viktor Pinchuk. They give his age. Here's fifty four. That's a has courted the Clintons for at least nine years in the United States the Alps ops and Ukraine earlier this year he was confirmed as the largest individual contributor to the Clinton Foundation whose aims is include the creation of economic opportunity and growth for the close quote listen to this part at the end he he also has is linked to the Tony Blair foundation represented its biggest single donor in twenty thirty Tony Blair Clinton friend United Kingdom what the same United Kingdom in who sharing Intel with the Obama administration about the trump team as we pointed out in that CNN article yesterday that UK that Tony Blair yeah yeah yes right. Saint Joe used to get do voices on the radio thing. It's the same Guy House folks switch. pull it out to one hundred and fifty thousand feet here so we can look down on what's going on. 'CAUSE I. Don't WanNa lose you in the wonkery. What is going on here exactly what happened with spy gate collusion hoax the Democrats colluded with the Russians. We're getting information from Russian sources through Christopher Steele Mark Warner the senator Democratic Senator was trying to foster relationship with a like pasta the the Democrats in interfered in election by getting information from the United Kingdom and others about a political opponent Donald Trump and basically folks just to recall that information I just said and swap out go reverse the tape and just edited folks and swap out. I'm just kidding swap out trump for the DEMOC. That's what they did. They said trump trump did everything they did. That's all they did because why because the boot licking sycophants and the proper media will run with it. Yes trump did it. Do you have any no no but the Democrat said is true. Okay you understand this is the same thing Victor Pinchuk and his operations with the United Kingdom at its donations to the Clinton Foundation while simultaneously potentially violating violating the law with his business with Iran was Clinton scandal in Ukraine and all they do is plug trump's name amen now dow this back. Why was this a premeditated calculated professional hit on trump folks whereas whereas the collusion hoax was invented out of whole cloth by steel and Simpson in their dossier. They didn't have anything on trump in Ukraine. They tried right it so remember what I'm talking about here the Democrats collude with the Russians they wanna say trump colluded with the Russians to hide their malfeasance so they make it up in the dossier copy the Democrats unquestionably have major scandals in Ukraine Pinchuk the Clintons since Biden corruption with Alexandra Chalupa and the DMC DNC Lukashenko from Ukraine the MP giving information Shigella your fusion gps they replaced the name trump did it. They have nothing Joe Muller tries to fabricate that charged charged through what the victor Pinchuk piece we just saw where they investigate Pinchuk for a speaking fee trump. Where does that go joe nowhere nowhere. They can't even make anything up on that because there's nothing even remotely illegal so Joe. They sit and they wait. They waited out the deep staters. The fraudsters the inside baseball fake whistle blowers. They wait like snakes ready to pounce. What were they waiting for. Joe The Ukrainian election they know Oh there's Ukrainian presidential election and they know who's GonNa call when the election's over trump of course he's going to call congratulate him and they wait and the minute he opens his mouth about Biden talking about the president and Ukraine corruption. We know they were involved over there the Democrats and the Biden family right at the minute they do it a phone call undoubtedly in my mind goes over to Capitol Hill staffers for these sleazeball congresspeople and senators and says we got him now. You know we gotta data now. It reminds me of the time lawyers Lynn remember. Let's wait. o'flynn goes on vacation who comes up with the style dude. Yes yeah beautifully stated. Mike Flynn goes over to the Dominican Republic. Conveniently Obama kicks out these diplomats when he's air. Mike Flynn win calls the Russian ambassador. Wow folks these deep state. Crap is real. You can gaff it off. All you want. Yeah don't care I'm here to report. What's happening now. Will you think is happening. This was a professional orchestrated raided hit where they were waiting on that call and it was immediately turned into a leak and a fake whistle blower scandal because why they they have to Erase Hillary's ties and Biden's ties and the Democrats ties to Ukraine and replace it with trump and everything they tried before including tying trump trump to pinchuk. It didn't work now why was pinscher what's going on with. Pinchuk in Iran and what are they hiding again. They're hiding a lot of stuff biden and Ukraine and the DNC. I don't WanNa make salads one thing. I'm just trying to figure how deep the Democrats quagmire is with Ukraine folks. There's a list last week. Keep by the way this. Newsweek piece will be in the show notes that I hate to give him the clicks but you need to read it because he's a left-wing resource. You can use against your liberal liberal friends who go that's a conspiracy theory really a Newsweek conspiracy theory against the Democrat makes a Lotta Sense dopes down a little further in the peace and I'm GonNa talk through it and send it to your policy and said I wanNA talk through this because I want you to listen so you understand what Hillary's involvement in Ukraine is. This Guy Pinchuk owned a steel company called Inter pipe inter pipe sold some of this material to Iran for over a million dollars. Why why does that matter. The allegations are or were at the time that the sale from Pinch oops company to Iran Joe violated specific sanctions against that deal you are not allowed to sell that kind of material for an invoice over a million dollars to Iran. The invoice was over a million dollars. There is a list then Joe compiled by or we'll get to the second a list of companies that violate these sanctions that gets maintain men by who the US State Department coup was run at the time of the sale by who Oh Hillary Lori Clinton and mysteriously pincher company the spike credible allegations they should have been on the list for violating those sanctions mysteriously disappears who manages the list Hillary Clinton minds minds me either recruit with Colin Farrell the movie the NOC list get the NOC list I list why is a picture on it. You can get anything to do with his twenty five million dollars in donations to the Clinton now no no of course not now joe. Don't be silly. Come on Man Stop Joe Conspiracy Theory Stop It. I was just driving the audience crazy crazy. You're silly conspiracy hensarling US lots of people at the book signing view. We gotta make a guest next book. Abu Abbas have you out of what we could like to promote Brooke. It'd be a lot of fun. We'll do a show before that'd be a Lotta Fun folks. Let me just say 'cause. I got a lot more to get to and again. This is collusion gate spy gate hoax gate part to the Democrats as Tucker Carson Carlson Awesome beautifully said the virtue is the sin they claim to be virtuously combating corruption by Donald Trump in the Ukraine. What they're really covering is their mortal sin of their deep involvement in Ukraine corruption. Now I know Joe is the audience Paul at that makes sense. Okay share that everywhere. You're that's what they're hiding. Okay today's show also brought to you by our buddies at Ziprecruiter ziprecruiter. We love. Ziprecruiter occurred folks listen. It's really tough to hire. You know we're always looking for people. It's hard you get resumes. You get emails. Some people are qualified. Some people are overqualified. Some people underqualified you wind up spending all of your time reading through Bevy of Beverly Hills. You don't have time to do it. 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Some people you know the tactical nukes for the smaller Bradfo I get it. I get it just the lunch okay. Here's a piece of the hill at the show notes listen. There are rarely must-reads I read. There are a lot of should read. This is a must read up the show notes now John Solomon the once secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story these once secret memos so what happened last night yeah. I I just got done telling you and I'm GonNa Motor through this quick because it's easy to explain a little easier than Hillary Clinton Ukraine Angle the Democrats I agree with your emails are covering offering a lot of things in Ukraine. They're covering up Biden. They're covering up hillary and they're covering up the Ukrainian collusion with the DNC to give the MANAFORT information to the the FBI. They're covered all of that the SHANECO Nellie your I get it but the Biden angle is important and no. I don't agree that the Democrat candidate that is for president want this out there so so you understand the story. It's simple again. Biden's kid gets the job of the natural gas company after Biden travels to Ukraine in two thousand fourteen. It's a lucrative the million dollar thing fifty thousand dollars a month as Biden's in Ukraine actually talking about natural gas among other things. The investigation starts into that deal right away. It sounds sounds. Corrupt smells bad biden. Get tries to get the prosecutor fired. MEDIFAST does get the prosecutor Victor Shokhin looking into that Peru's Michio Fire Okay simple right. Biden's kid gets a sweet GIG. Ukrainians look into it by demands guy looking into it gets fired. That is the scandal now Biden story. Is this Joe. Oh Biden story is no no no no no no. We just wanted the prosecutor. Look into my kids. Sweetheart deal fired 'cause he was a a really bad guy and Tabu. Those cases against my kid Joe Biden Doug against hunter had already concluded by the time I I made these demands and the verdict is in that is colossal B. S. none of that is true so from the excellent Johnny Salom piece. Please read the Lincoln my show. It is well worth your time. Let's go through John's talking points here. John has documents unlike Joe Biden from the Ukrainian government and others showing that that Biden story is complete total BS. Let's go to take away number. One BEREA SMA the company Joe Biden's kid hunter works for in this fifty thousand dollars sinecure has Barista's own lawyers. Remember the cases hold offers same Biden saying that they wanted the prosecutor looking into his kid fire because he was corrupt not because of anything to do my kid for here's from the peace and wrong for instance unquote Barista's American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Biden force the firing of the prosecutor and offered listen to this folks quote an apology for dissemination of false information by US representatives and public figures about Ukrainian prosecutors according to the Ukrainian craning government's own memo's of the meeting the effort to secure the meeting began the same day the prosecutors firing was announced so biden story story a the lie Joe Biden. This was a corrupt guy. We wanted him fired. It didn't matter later. He was looking into my kid. The actual lawyer for Joe Biden's kids company. Hey we're really sorry we lied about the prosecutor thing yesterday my band Nelson months moment. What did they do. Ukrainian government in this meeting wasn't taking notes Joe Biden. Story is a lie the lawyer lawyers for one hundred Biden's company already admitted they lied about the prosecutor. Don't worry Natasha. Bertran and collusion hoaxers nothing to see here joe nothing to see here. Don't you worry at all. We have carpeting sweep it under takeaway number two do the deuce this one's abused they actually try to set up these lawyers meetings with the the Obama Administration. Listen to this one in addition Barista again hundred Vines Company for for Cutie Pie little job there fifty k. a month in addition Baristas American team offer to introduce Ukrainian prosecutors to Oh bob administration officials to make amends Joe for lying about their prosecutor. According to that memo and the American legal teams internal emails Holy Moses not only are they admitting to lying about the prosecutor Joe Biden's since people now lawyers for one hundred nights company are brokering arrangements to meet with the Obama administration what the heck are brisman lawyers doing setting up meetings with our White House. They work for us to make amends for what show a men's for lying about Shokhin the prosecutor. Oh he was fired because he was corrupt. No He's fine because he was looking into your kid. AMMANN's have to make amends for if he was fired because he was corrupt amends for what Myers don't worry media people. There's nothing to see here nothing at all but trump was going to build trump tower in Moscow. Oh Yea that's the real story total imbeciles takeaway number three this one's doozy to the Giuliani thing I love. I love this because remember. Their thing is out. Trump said Giuliani over there. You got number three here. We go quote. Ukrainian prosecutors said they've tried to get this information to the DOJ. Since the summer of two thousand eighteen oh really fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of ethics laws. Wow isn't that fascinating fascinating Joe. I they hired a former federal prosecutor to bring the information to the US attorney in New York who they say showed no interest wow shocker deep state. DOJ SWAMP RATS aren't interested in any biden corruption. Hey let's this last line. Then the Ukrainians reached out to president trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani wait wait I. It's not what they told. US show the Democrats told US Giuliani initiated all of and that's what they told us so now we know the real story that Ukrainians Smell Mela rat here and a potential criminal case against the VP's kid they go to prosecutors swamp rat the OJ types say we're not interested and then they reach out to Giuliani to try and clean up this corruption but yeah joe you're right. This is all a trump's skin. Yeah Yeah dopes photo four phone photos because I take screen shots. Screen shot for Johnson is peace investigation. Ladies and gentlemen was not ought closed. Keep that up there remember Biden's Joe Biden's lie. Oh by the time I demand that the prosecutor looking into my kid was fired in that case it already close look into my my son's company. Brisa no and wrong from the peace shocker Joe. Some media outlets have reported evergreen by the way some meeting. They say some Pravda hacks have reported that at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March of two thousand sixteen there. We're no open investigations. Those reports are wrong again. Evergreen folks Evergreen A british-based investigation a Burrito MS owner was close down in early two thousand fifteen on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met but the Ukrainian Prosecutor General's office still had to to open enquiries in March of two thousand sixteen when Biden's demanding the prosecutor looking into this case be fired according to the official case file provided provided to Solomon one of those cases involve taxes the other allegations of corruption BARISTA announce the cases against it were not closed and settled old until January of twenty seventeen. I know lives you can't do math and follow basic numbers but Joe last. We have your someone brought up Jay's abacus last night. We haven't spoken okay him and Oh yeah you don't need you. Have Jay's advocates yeah. Let's do some simple. A guy named Jay senescent abacus a long time. Go for you a renegade Republican list so I want you to do simple math for me. This is very very well. She's maybe a little bit complicated. Get the abacus out area. I want you to make a subtraction for me anyway in January of two thousand seventeen. I want you to subtract that from January twenty sixteen. How many is that how many years at ten twenty or won the Aba. I know this is tough that one year ten years or twenty now think about. It's hard to get this rats one year. That's one day at you I'm glad we have this. Is it wait. I know we have the I J of us. Jank you again for the Abacus. We're introducing Jay's advocates to our new listeners but having said that Joe that's there's a second part to this question. That's very different now. You can call it a lifeline if you need. I know it's one year difference between January twenty seventeen March twenty sixteen in January two thousand seventeen after or before March of two thousand sixteen call a lifeline. If you need take your time seventeen sixteen. I'm GONNA take a guess and say Dan thing index arm. Congress correct so we now know thanks to advocate really Joe Armacost that Joe Biden claimed the investigation into his son was closed when he demanded the firing March twenty sixteen but Aparicio's themselves and you official Ukrainian case files show in January of twenty twenty seventeen after as joe beautifully stated those cases were still open. Media people don't worry. Don't you worry about the truth. Now you just right over. You're melons. Don't you worry skip. The side view my horrible of appropriate for my broken. No I got punched by my brother wants. Sparring training for mixed martial arts thing. You broke my nose twice. Remember that Paula all comes ask yeah she goes. I said I think we have a problem. Nose is bleeding. My nose was like here on the side of my face. She goes yeah. You got a problem. Dude like you WanNa move that thing straight straight again. And what did I say to you because I think you should stop now. I'm like now. We get to Morales. Remember that she's like my gosh. You would idiot. I went to more rounds. I couldn't smell for like six months. I'm going to be kidding minority so broken so man. Don't you worry folks. Let it coast right over over your silly little heads he fast the Gatien was closed. Okay just start selling JAS Jason. was there a plural for as it abacus yes or Abaci. We should start selling to media. People can't do basic math at all right one more takeaway and I so you know I get two quick stories okay so Shokhin. The prosecutor who Biden wants fired is looking at this kid. They said he was corrupt and he was tall. He was fired because the corruption not because he was looking at this kid and from the Solomon piece in a newly sworn affidavit prepared by European Court show can actually testified testified that he was fired in March of two thousand sixteen. He was told the reason and the reason was at Biden was unhappy about the investigation. Quo The truth is I was forced out because I was leading a wide ranging corruption probe it bere- smallholdings natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden's son hunter was a member of the board of Directors Shokhin could testified in a sworn affidavit again media folks. Don't you worry let's focus on the trump tower in Moscow trump tower Moscow exac- the one that doesn't exist. That's the real conflict of interest right son of a of a biscuit. Well said my friend. Yes all right you get. Let me just tell that up for you. Dams are hiding their Ukraine collusion. Dams are hiding Hillary Clinton's Ukraine evolvement DEM's Sir hiding you devastating scandal on Biden. You now know the truth. Biden's line and shifts a sleazeball that I just WanNa throw that actually go yeah okay. Ah I want to leave you with some good stories because I know it's been kind of depressing week with all this other stuff but I have. I titled These New Rules Stories. You remember the new rules right. We win you lose. We're done playing nice. Okay you WANNA use alinsky rules will use them to. I am done with the nonsense. We're now in battlefield morality. You WanNa destroy us. We're GONNA fight back again. We'll leave the SICKO violent stuff for you lunatics on the left the Anti First Amendment people but we are going to fight back using political tactics you use on us. Don't care at all so here's some of the new rule stores. Here is a guy absolutely adore. Tom Holman up on Capitol Hill yesterday. Tom Home is the best disclosure I know Tom Matters but you know whatever Tom's up on Capitol Hill testified about immigration and he just lights Congress on fire. Check out this cut. This is great and we wonder why singer being attacked. Our facilities being shot at being burned down. We wonder why spouses and Children Borja leaders are bullied in schools and churches last year and I was called a racist and a bigot because I enforce the laws of you and acted if I were racism bigotry enforcing laws of you and added. What's that make you you wrote a long way. We I hate to make maker return of but I love this guy. This is my new man Panamian. I love Tom home. He needs. You know know what Tom if you may watch the show sometimes so can. I send a pair of these to you. I want you on Capitol. Hill after you do that next time. I want you to sit back like this. That's all I want. That's all I want a racist for enforcing the laws you idiot media throw. Dube we thank you Paula. Paula was nice enough to bring in a cigar. Hold on folks. I know back it away for goes. Is We got a guy who was nice enough to bring some stogies back Paula well. We weren't Holon Regard Joe and thank you. The listener sure who show Gamerson should follow. Thank you politics. That was your finest moment doing the show really. I need to get joe a cigar to okay. I'm not done at home and so the chair of the committee and why this is what I mean by new rules when I opened. This is the new rule segment new rules. We are GONNA fight back viciously against these people now you want to accuse us of being racist your for the real racist now. Hohmann who gives exactly zero about any of this crap after they accused of being racist. That chair tries to attack him again a representative. Paul and Holman is having none of this watch how this ends. This may be triple thug life glasses for the first time ever on the show. Listen a whole bunch shut that down this five stars check this out. Mr Homan we have three Memphis or in the Republicans the Democrats with the ranking member we increase the time of one witness at one member of Congress who was interrupted by a protest that is done with the approval of the ranking member. Please respect the chairs authority. The respective shares at home at you worked for me. I'm a taxpayer. I'm taxpayer you work for me. Triple Hug Life Crasher Ladies and gentlemen. I love that moment. Yes you worked worked for us. We don't work for you. You may have for new rules. That should have been old rules as per the constitution. She worked for us. I love this new testifying up on Capitol Hill Corey Lewandowski Tom home in model and we're not there to the plant one on your caboose thanks but no thanks finally story. This is a great one so new rules again the media wants to dig up all tweets people's pass and dish on them and destroy troy their lives so we had this story about this. Guy Carson King he put up a Venlo sign at a game wanted to raise money for beer raise. The million dollars donated to a hospital so of course the hack lunatics and the media what they WanNa do at the Lunatic des Moines Register. They wanted to destroy the Guy Joe God forbid. You donate a million dollars to a hospital. You can't do any of that so some rob. Reports faked reporter fulltime spineless jellyfish. Maybe he's related atom shifts somewhere down their genealogical line. Maybe they should do like one of those gene. Testing thinks this guy by the name of Aaron Calvin. This report is ought to be a good idea to go dig up this Carson. King donates a million dollars to charity dig up all posts from when he was sixteen as you know Joe. What we say at sixteen is always indicative of what we think at twenty thirty sure yes. It is and the divine join registered. These clowns are like well. We do that for everyone. We dig up their social media but you do well. That's shocking because we dug up some tweets which they were all over the Internet. I got off the Internet here are some tweets from Aaron Calvin the reporter the NYPD. Let's go to the next. One is the reporter writing about the guys all tweets by the way there's another doozy here. We've got quite a few of them. Put the second one too many the of these N. Word as be made nowadays go my Gosh my phone my fools. Don't don't pardon my French. Yeah leaves it next. I just got hit on by Tori. Amos's makeup guy never talk to strange game now Aaron Chelsea it new rules ladies and gentlemen what happened a poor Alvin. Here's the registers statement on poor old Alfred Aaron or an errand cow whatever his name is Aaron Calvin Alvin Alvin. We hear you you're angry and here's what we're doing about it carol hundred that the Moines Register well what they do about aww yeah they gave Harold Melvin Aaron Calvin Melvin Calvin. He got the boot quote. That reporter is no longer with the register quadruple quick quick couple draw. You want to start digging up our pass where GonNa Dig Rob. Your slimy passed to new rules. We win you lose sucker. You're out of a job now. Have a nice weekend. Jump All right folks. I was busy. Sorry we're GonNa have a few edits totally my fault. Vh some of you may catch at jumping around a little bit. I messed up a clip. I had ascended Joe so they tell you don't ever mention. Sometimes we mess up totally my fourth but thank you for everything this week thank you. I mean it. You all are the most royal greatest audience ever. I can't say that I'm not even being hyperbolic. You made my life so great. You're showing up at the book signings the Guy From Michigan you vet from Staten Island the Fort Myers family last night three hours. Thank you for making my book number. Two on Amazon exonerated you all a really wonderful and and have a great weekend. Don't miss me on talker tonight for the news explosion. I really appreciate folks. Thanks so much. I'll see you next week day. Sir You just heard the Dan Dan Bongino show you can also get Dan's podcasts on Itunes soundcloud and follow Dan on twitter twenty four seven at Dbongino.

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GSMC Social Media News Podcast Episode 201: The Golden Globes

GSMC Social Media News Podcast

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GSMC Social Media News Podcast Episode 201: The Golden Globes

"Golden state media concepts social media. podcast time to Hash Tag. Everything we talk about all the fun crazy stories on social media. INSTAGRAM facebook twitter to tumble or probably even friendster join us. As we explored the Quirky of social soon meets the golden state media concept social media. podcast symbol though one to take is welcome back to the GMC Social Media News. I'm your host Devon and I'm here to tell you all about the latest bachelor news flow strong three thing about social media entertainment. The shocking unexpected expected death of two very profound Hollywood stars Silvio Horta who wrote and directed ugly buddy and Elizabeth Elizabeth word soul who wrote PROZAC nation. So we'll get into both of those. We'll get into some bachelor buzz and we'll end off with some fun facts. Who was born today? January seventh in Hollywood. A couple of famous folks were born today and I will tell you who who they were so sit back. Relax get a snack gives snuggie and we're just GONNA die right in so the bachelor premiered last night and I was in and out throughout the whole thing because I cannot sit there for ten hours in good faith knowing that I have other things to do and just watch the patch ler but I stayed for probably two hours and I was simultaneously disappointed in not disappoint it delivered what it was supposed to deliver the drama. The tears the laughs offs the crazy first impressions. So I'm here to highlight a little bit of that for anybody. WHO missed it? So the Bachelor Pilot Pete is here to find his copilot We left off with Pete being the third runner up from from Hannah. Browns season Miss Alabama. Hannah and America. Pretty much fell in love with Peter. He I'm I'm I'm not gonNA say I like I like Peter. I'm mad because I didn't like Peter later because I thought he was a player and I still think he is a player. I mean he moved in with a girl he asked a girl move in with him a month before before he went on the show. And if that doesn't scream I'm only in this further clout then. What does you know so I went into this thinking king? I'm not gonNA like this guy but sure enough. I've watched the season. I don't know he's cute. He's cute okay. He's not crazy cute. He's average you know he's but there's something about him and so he comes from Spanish heritage. That might be you know a couple of points. We like exotic boys. He's a pilot. He sweet you know he's. He's got that kind of boyish charm arm but also you know he could. He could turn the heat up a little bit. I'm just I'm not gonNA keep going with this. But by the end of the show he kind of had me wrapped around his finger and that pissed me off more than anything but you know it makes for good TV. At least the bachelor has to be a likeable person. So Oh we jump right into everybody's favorite part my favorite part. If there is an episode that I will watch religiously every year. It is the first impression so stepping out of the LIMO. The girls or guys depending on which season it is pull all of the stops they bring the props and they bring their handwritten notes and it's Goofy it's cringe it's crazy and we we die laughing every year at what these people come up with so everybody wants to stand out whenever they get out of the Limo. So you'll have everything from really crash jokes to people driving in on vintage cars or somebody even came out in a suitcase this time around. It's really quite a spectacle. Some standout first impressions were when meal girl. I didn't bother other to learn their names. There were about thirty of them so she came in with a windmill strapped on her back. And she said you know and sometimes something about four times because Peter and Hannah had sex in a windmill four times which you know. Maybe that having that in your head Ed. Maybe that makes Peter a little bit of a bad boy. Maybe that makes them more attractive. I don't know I don't want to give myself away on podcast. But that was a running joke through the whole entire thing and it's like let go people just grasp onto anything sexual so the windmill joke. was you know there were four five girls on a montage that just things about the windmills. It's old it's dead. There was the cat girl for those of you who watched the show. She said some pretty interesting things about how he's GonNa Fall in love with her hairless cat but he she didn't say it exactly like that and That one caught me by surprise. I'm surprised surprised. They even let that Air I. It's a train wreck and I just absolutely love it. The I'm okay girl. So there is a a hippie girl. She was practicing she. She was a wax her and her lead in intro. She had one of the thirty to sixty second segments. That showed a little bit about earn. Her intro was I'm a I'm a service worker I like. I like to serve others and I like to care for others and shoes. I also like to care for their vaginas and she ripped the wax off of some woman and it turns out. She's a bikini wax sir. Just they're going. They're reaching this year. I mean it's funny. You know they. They got the laughs. John Amoeba she. What cracked me up? Because I love crackhead humor's all these girls are good on the limo like freaking out energy due to the high heavens and this girl. I don't remember her name for the life of me. She gets out. She's walking up to Peter and he's his energies Outta ten. Hey how are you. And she goes on. Okay just keeps walking. And I've thought girl I defy with that. That was something that that made us laugh. I watch it with my family. It's a kind of a tradition and finally stand out first impressions. which is not really a first impression? Hanna Hanna came back And I'll get into that a little bit later in probably a minute or so but ah surprisingly Hannah's loss which is a talk competitor the season. I'm not going to give too much away. But I happen to know who makes it to the end. I always I always check reality. Steve's site religiously because I just can't handle any surprises Has Less did not have a memorable entrance surprisingly enough. She's America's sweetheart one of the top runners she will. Oh be throughout. The season has lost. That's her name. She's a model. She's modeled huge campaigns. She's a cutie. She's she's is precious but she doesn't have a very good first impression. So that was kind of weird But yeah so we go right into the first elimination and the Rose ceremony and an Hannah Brown coming back and she totally fakes us out. But what else could you expect from. ABC I mean. They are dialing it in their phony in this year. Just terrible. The editing is dramatic more dramatic than usual. It's it's cringely you but you just can't look away from it But Hannah came back and I don't know if she's coming back later but basically she came back and the kershaw minute look like she was cone back on the show but she really just came back to give Peter the pilot wings Peter's a pilot so he gave Hanna the first night like a pin that had wing. Since he's a pilot and so she came back to give him back into pieced she pieced out after that gotten. It's like okay really. They just did that for the views but now I mean they got us and there are a couple of scenes. Were Hannah's crying trying and saying you know. Do you still have feelings for me. And her old Alabama Hannah's Mascara is running down her. trikes creeks so drama drama drama drama. She's coming back. Apparently she keeps coming back. So yeah we go straight into straight into the first limitation rose ceremony and then the first date which is flight school and so since Peter's is a pilot he puts the girls through flight school so you have a little bit of classroom education. He got the math. And then they move onto the physical challenges and end and one point at one point. There's they do A flight simulator. And they do that. I think it's called the Giro Technik spin I don't Giro Giro something. It's a spin spinning thing that you train on. If you're joining acid you strap in and you spend three hundred sixty degrees all different ways pretty quickly and every every year every season they have one one girl who has an irrational fear of something and they slow the editing down and they put really sad music behind it and it's usually something really silly. I think they do it. I think it's a gag at this point but this time it was One of the girls had really bad motion sickness. And so she she they played it up. You know this is the hard hitting story she she said. I'm just every time. I have really bad motion sickness and I don't want to throw up in front of Peter and when I was a girl I was on the teacups and it goes into this black black and white montage. It's just it's goofy. The Bachelor has the Bachelor knows its audience because they know people tune in for the B. S. and the laughs and just how cringing in trainwreck. Everything is and then they get you in the end in the beginning. They really laid on thick with the comedic humor. I think it just it's goofy so that's the first you know break breakdown. And there's tears there's drama these girls are catty Catt. He this season. I've watched the show since I was a we taught great for my brain and these these girls are catty. That means good TV so I will definitely be tuning in Dan. I didn't see the end. I doubt anybody was eliminated towards the end because there was elimination ceremony. And the beginning but that is the first episode in a little bit of a summary and it's the most shocking most dramatic season of the bachelor Yet but you know they say that every time so I'll next segment we'll be talking. Everything Golden Globes Ricky Gervais assists speech. And how it's shock everybody including me and the best way so stay right here with. GMC Social Media News. PODCAST I you want to be healthier yet. You just don't know what to do all these shows telling you this and that but nothing seems to work will listen. Close Golden state media concepts has got something great for you the health and wellness podcast dedicated to work. Trent Eating Habits Diane everything everything about healthy living. Join us in our banters as we help you not just live life to the fullest. Live it to the healthiest Talk last segment. We talked about pilot and the new bachelor premiere last night. Three hours long. Can you believe I believe it like write home about it already By state and I watched. Actually that probably won't happen again because it's it's it's repast. Limos everybody knows that limos are the best part so moving on Rickie Jervis is legend an icon a some might say God. His Golden Globe speech is trending number one on everything and for good reason and I mean he is known for being crass and making really really out there jokes jokes that would offend defend the most elite liberal which Bingo. That's what happened. Stars were in shock during the Golden Globes listening to his speech and montages of of celebrities reactions as he was talking. is you know the videos are going around showing that and just I want to highlight the genius of Ricky Gervais. He's he's hosted a couple of times and he always you know he he always. Here's his zing to his speeches but this time he brought a beer so you know things are about to get rocky hugh when the host brings a beard to the stand to introduce the first nominee so he brings a beer and he goes in he roasts everyone. It seemed like he roasts roasted everyone so hard. This time around so stand outs for me. He goes right in with you. Know they let me host this thing again. Because he's hosted it quite a few times now At at least they didn't fire me yet like they fired Kevin Hart from the Oscars for tweeting. Inappropriate things He talked about the foreign press in in how they're they don't speak well enough English to understand anything he's saying he talks about how the the pedophile movies Surviving are Kelly and escaping. Never land the Michael Jackson bio-pic how everything is like a pet love is around pedophile this here and he. Then he makes a nod to Ronan Farrow and he says everybody scared to work with him. And that's whenever it thinks started to kind of turn you I heard a little bit of like ooh and that's what I was like. y'All like what is this dude on these getting into it this year. I mean I'm living for it. You know like that's kind of you know we're kind of in this culture where we like to be shocked. You know. It's it's that kind of said it before it's my favorite kind of thing that crackhead humor that kind of irony energy that fuels the kinds of humor That people find funny these days you know and and he was just hitting it hard. He talked about the college scandal In Felicity Huffman dam. He finished it off in. He said He made an Epstein joke and the entire audience just silent silent but the the thing that stood out to me was ricky. Gervais says known to be crude. He's known to be crossed. He's known to come up with these crazy speeches reaches that shocked people but towards the end he said something that was pretty profound. Through all of his crudeness he said you. You know life's too short to sit back and act like you any of you. He was pointing to the audience. Can Judge anybody anybody else. He said the elite people of Hollywood are in no place to judge it. Anybody To look down on anybody. Life's too short though right about this tomorrow selects just live while we live. Because we're GONNA die soon. There's not going to be a sequel and I said Hallelujah brother I was just living for his whole speech so he slammed Martin Scorsese to he said Was Making a joke about Disneyworld. And how Martin Scorsese wouldn't be able to ride anything in bless his heart he so precious wherever the camera appended on his face he was not he said. Yeah it's true and Robert De Niro sitting right beside just the coolest cats you know. Casually Deniro Era Scorsese like just chouan awesome sight. I feel like they're like I wish they were my uncles. I have Italian uncles so like I I feel like I'm halfway there but that's the feeling I get when I was my family like I feel like I'm with Deniro. Scorsese and all those lose cats so when we come back we'll touch a little bit more on the Golden Globes Aquafina won a golden globe for the farewell. It was her first Golden Globe and the first Golden Globe to be won by a woman of Asian American heritage. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about a couple of you know random topics pretty little liars star war half of her wedding dress on the carpet. And I think that's brilliant. I think that's genius. Genius hard hitting like a legend after that will get into Silvio Horta and allen part to you the talk things that ugly betty taught us in life stay right here with the GMC Social Media News podcast. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen and hear this out. There's a podcast has network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than podcast. I cast bliss with endless hours of podcasts Hubbard's from news sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football and so much more more so stop lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concept's podcast network guaranteed to build that podcast is whatever it may be visit. WWW dot m. c.. PODCAST DOT COM. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes tunes soundcloud and Google play the take time period. Does anybody remember that time period. The ugly betty desperate housewives time period. Just me I remember it very clearly. I was why do I why are watching me shows when I was young that probably has contributed needed a lot to why I am the way I was also an only child so live it up so last time we talked about the Golden Globes. We're GONNA get a little bit more into that later but something happened this morning to talk to headlines People when people die. It's kind of like especially if the their work had a profound impact on you. It's kind of like a something. That's kind of surreal. Not In a good way. It's it it. I'm stumbling over my words. It shows you that you know mortality Israel you know these larger than life actors directors producers. I that you know wind up dead in the media. It's kind of. It's kind in a heartbreaking. They say like don't meet your heroes and stuff and it's I think it's even worse whenever you find out your hero is dead dead. Like I'm not saying Michael Jackson was my hero but I was raised on his music. You know and I guess in a way he was is one of my heroes. You know I was too young to know everything that was going on with never land and Macaulay Culkin and you know many of the young people that all all of that mess. I was too young. Even I was watching desperate housewives at the age of Eight. I was too young to really understand that side of it so all I knew was that I loved his music and I was raised on it. You know and so I remember remember. When Michael Jackson died it was kind of like Whoa? That was the first time you know a celebrity. A celebrity's death really. I couldn't I believe it and we don't even know celebrities. It's just a very weird feeling. It's an intangible kind of like wow you know. I didn't even know this person. But they had such an impact on my life. And so I remember watching this show Silvio Horta. He directed did Rhone worked with the production team on ugly Betty. The early two thousand show. He was found dead this morning in his Miami Florida apartment the causes unknown and he was forty five years old forty five and he had a past with he had a history with addiction drug addiction Of course I I don't WanNa say of course but you know it's a dime a dozen in the industry and so ugly buddy. He Ugly Betty Creator Creator. He's he was found dead this morning. he put America Ferrera on the map while she was in between recording and filming filming. The sisterhood of the traveling pants movies. Which is coming back? I think they've officially announced the final movie. And so he put her on the map and Michael Yeary. He put on the map. Who recently a couple years ago? Start in a one man show on Broadway and funny enough went to my school. Woo It put those two on the map so we lost great creator and I will always remember. It was my mom's favorite show and a couple of these things I remember. She her saying to me from the show. So in honor of Silvio Horta things we learned watching ugly betty. There are three things. There is beauty in every struggle. So Betty came in Betty. America Ferrera came in she. was you know the the foil to the main plot. Her character was written as a foil so she walked into this high fashion high vogue. Glamorous Fashion studio she worked in fashion beauty and editing and writing and it was kind of like a divorce product thing and she walked in her outfits. Roy's crazy she had braces and and she had glasses and they totally they they litter up for this show. 'cause America Ferrera is beautiful and they kinda you know dressed her down. I bet they had to really work to make her door. King King Quirky so whatever. Betty's first introduced on the show. She's hated it's her name is ugly Betty. It's written like that for a reason. And and she's hated because of her personality. You know she has kind of spunky you know She kinda job. You know those kids who everyone hates them because they're so happy and half the people are wondering why they're so happy and how they can be happy in the other people are wondering you know how they can take them down And that was ready. She had that kind of didn't let anything get toured naive quality although she knew everyone hated her in the show and so we learned from her even though she was what society society deemed ugly she adopted and overcame winning the hearts of everyone in the end because she consistently as The brand was failing in the show. she consistently and as the magazine's kept flopping she consistently adapted overcame and eventually saved the company and won the hearts of everyone number. Two evil can still be good. So Willow Amina slater the main villain villain of the show is written as kind of like a comedy taught us that there are two sides to every story or in this case every villain so willing to slater played by Vanessa Williams was written to the you know the the villain and she wanted wanted to come in and take over the magazine Become top editor an and that was her goal as kind of a comedic stop at nothing to like Stab Abune the back character but throughout the series we learned about you know her family issues and the problems that she had in her personal life and and her her continuously failing and we kind of saw you know the other side and we saw the softer side of Wilmington and every I e every evil every perceived evil can still be good. There are two sides to every person. It's not always what meets the eye with people. Every evil can be good three and this is something my mom used to say to me all the time and I never really understood it. She would say wherever you go there. You are a HA. She would chuckle and I thought is it some kind of ancient Chinese proverb like I I didn't really understand it. But basically in the series finale betty goes off finds her dream job in London but ends up running into people from her past Swoboda's runs into mead. They were also two characters that were like non again off again love triangle thing And it basically you can't you. You can travel aval miles. You can try and run away but you'll never run away from your past wherever you go there you are and there is everything you've been through and the biggest lesson taken from the show. Although Betty was different from the outside she shone so brightly early in her heart shone so brightly from the outside from the inside out that she changed the people around her and she she change the hearts of those around her made the world a better place. And so you can't put beauty you can't beauty is something that you can't put on like you can't fake beauty. It really actually does come from the inside and you can be the prettiest person in the world if you are are mean and hateful. It doesn't matter you know. You can't put beauty on despite popular opinion. All right when we come back we'll be talking finally AQUAFINA and the Golden Globes news style walking the red carpet and the star that actually wore her own wedding dress onto the red carpet. We'll get into all that and more on the GMC MC Social Media News. PODCAST will be right back. WanNa find out what movies to go see then check out the GMC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic romantic comedy or action. This show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See Now don't bother. What's hot on Netflix? And everything in between that. That's GSM see podcasts. Dot Com back slash. Movie Dash podcast. When it's all about the movies it has to be this new show? Don't forget to like them on facebook facebook and follow them on twitter visit. GS MC PODCASTS DOT COM for more info the in watching shows especially. I don't ever watch it all all the way through I. I was bad about like falling off of the bachelor too. I didn't watch the whole episode. I just takes a lot to captivate my attention. An and whatever your show goes on for like three hours I gotta eat sisters gotta eat sisters got I sleep like I got things I'm sue. I cannot be sitting around for three hours but I sat around long enough to catch some pretty great moments and and I'm GonNa talk a little bit about fina. The Brilliant Aquafina who recently just started in the farewell and and actually won a golden globe for it so Aquafina is her stage name. She her real name is Nora Lum. She was in crazy rich Asians. That's the first thing I saw her in and she was hilarious and whenever I saw her in the farewell I was Kinda like girls else. She's different. I remember her being pretty funny in Crazier J.J. She had she was the foil character. She was the comedic relief and she was good at it. She has comedy down down. She was kind of you know the rag tag be plot comedy character with totally different hair. That's why didn't recognize Sir I but she has comedy down. But I'm telling you. She has drama down to so the farewell is essentially a light comedy psychodrama basically. It's has some pretty pretty touching themes what it with Aquafina in it it still has. Its comedic emetic parts So basically it's a girl and she is of Asian heritage hasn't quite follow As strictly the customs customs of her family but whenever she finds out her grandmother has just been diagnosed with cancer. Her family calls her big it back together. They go fly fly to be with her but their family tells her hey. Don't tell her that. She has cancer so unbeknownst to the grandma who's just living it up excited her family's coming to visit her. They actually are there because she has cancer. And she's dying and it's touching in the way that that commercial about There was a commercial little bit a while ago It was an Asian family and saying how whenever they sit down at the table. This was the theme of it when they sit down at the table Using chopsticks sticks is a part of the Asian culture and Asian heritage. And you need to slow down and be precise when you use chopsticks and that was the Theme of this Short Video There the the teams of the older generation it spanned several years They kind of lost the meaning of chopsticks and the adults would kind of you know rag on him and and finally at the end. It's like this is our culture. This is the time we have together together. We're keeping this part of ourselves and so it's sort of similar to that in a way it has that same kind and of sentiment to it. The you know big roundtable coming home kind of feel homecoming and but in a sweet because it's basically takes us on aquafina characters journey of being. They're coming home after so long after being out of touch with her family and really getting close to her her extended family again only to have to say goodbye and she struggles the character struggles with not telling her grandmother grandmother and she fights with their family over you know. Don't you think she deserves to know and the doctor and the families like this is the better way this is this. This is a good way. Don't distract her from you. Know seeing us again for the last time and she aquafina who was usually really a comedic character she really brings it for this movie and she ended up winning a golden globe which just fantastic Totally deserved she came out of the woodwork. Like out of nowhere last year with crazy rich as Asians and she's got a golden globe now And so she she had a pretty touching speech about her hair to Jewish she came from and how important the movie was to her. So I'm Aquafina Fan. I'm really happy for her. And I'm I really want to sit down and watch the farewell. I haven't I haven't gotten to sit down and see that one but that's definitely on my list. So moving on Pretty Little Liars Star Choi in Belisario the Golden Globes jobs walked down the red carpet. And you know dress reveal and tucks reveal. Let's be real it's address. Reveal the women live for it. I mean the men to awards shows lately have gotten both genders started playing along but seeing everyone's runs outfits it's always Superfan trion bowel. Sorry oh I feel this girl because she was on. Pretty Little Liars She she wore her half of her wedding dress to the Golden Globes so she repurpose it and she wore it to one of the biggest award ceremonies in the country and the world and I think what a great idea and I think I feel this so much because I don't understand. Stand the hub with wedding dresses and weddings. In general. I understand you know. It's one moment in your life but I don't understand spending a hundred thousand. Well that's a little bit out of out of the park. I don't understand spending ten to fifteen. Sometimes people spend upwards to twenty thousand dollars on a wedding dress and I just don't get it you're gonNA wear wants to sit in your closet and I thought you know what a great idea if you're GONNA buy it. I'm personally thinking of renting mind cause I don't wear constricting clothes. I like to be comfortable. Aw Wedding dresses and tight white lace just ate my thing right now and I'm thinking you know it's GonNa sit in my closet. I don't want to force shit on my daughter. If I even have a daughter I might have a son. You know not gonNA force her to wear my dress and so it's just going to gather dust so why not rent it. Why not or at least if you if you buy your your wedding dress address you pay thousands four make it into something something you know make it make it make it into a blanket began to a pillow? Make it into something you just sit there. So I thought what a great idea her wedding and then the Golden Globes which one is bigger. I don't know if that's up to her but I'm definitely on that reduce reduce reuse recycle trade. There's no reason to buy new unless it's undergarments And a couple of other things but I personally thrift all of my clothes because it's better for the environment ends better for your wallet like why would you buy something five times the price when someone has worn at once maybe twice maybe a couple of times you know you just gotTa be you gotta be gotta be thrifty with to your thrift and you have to be smart. There's no reason to buy new reduce reuse recycle. I feel like I'm a little chatterbox today. Hey just chatting and rambling chuckling thus Howard chattering and rambling so on the next segment. Where we when we come back? We're going to talk doc about another death. That recently happened Elizabeth Wurzel so Eliza Elizabeth Wurzel wrote PROZAC nation. which was a book about Out A girl's battle with depression and it was the first book that really cracked open mental illness and gave us a look at the depths of the mind. She wrote it in the early nineties. And it was kind of like a shockwave or on the world. So we'll talk about that and then I'll give you my personalized personalized list of books to check out if he liked that. So stay right here on the GSM see Social Media News. podcast always on the go but the dangerous will be one. Without your Hollywood's golden state media concepts concept senator. Tim podcast take care of that. Jordan and Keith is entertainment tonight leads access. Hollywood I'm Jordan guy laughing that's key. Yeah I'm all inclusive inclusive of Kosher. The last we talked a little bit about Aquafina and red carpet buzz. And and we're going to talk a little bit about Elizabeth word so as a disclaimer. This story does include The mentions mentioning of suicide. So if you are sensitive to back in any way go ahead and fast forward about ten minutes. So Elizabeth were Seoul was the author of PROZAC Nation Nation. She released the book in Nineteen ninety-one and it was shortly adapted into film In two thousand else in one so just a couple of years after and she was found or she passed this morning of breast cancer again. Another you know Childhood Hero so word so wrote PROZAC nation and it was kind of the first. You know buck giving light giving in the spotlight to mental illness and depression which is something that not a lot of people talked about out in the nineties. It was you know. Do a bump and keep moving it. But Pharmaceutical Drugs and psychiatric facilities weren't exactly among you know dinner conversation and this book kind of you know. Correct that phenomenon wide open So the book is basically a biography. Elizabeth writes from her perspective of Lizzie. That's the main character and she's nineteen. She has just been accepted into Harvard and due to you know family trauma divorce. You know what what what what what happens and She begins to experience depressive episodes which have gradually been ramping up throughout her childhood and her mother doesn't exactly know what to do. She has an absentee father and when she gets into college she it all comes crashing down. She sleeps with somebody very casually and kind kind of starts throwing things that she wants thought was important her morals values you know she kind of lets loose a little bit that she was privileged as a child gifted She wrote a children's book. She was seen as perfect Scott Street as And now she she she starts to act out what she gets to college And she goes into a really depressive state and ends up in the college facilities the medical medical facilities and from there. She declines She ends up leaving school to try. And you know have a change of pace. As most depressed people do think new location. We'll help but it doesn't really keep slipping and finally She is Diagnosed with depression. It wasn't you know wasn't just a three out of four thing as it is today. People people had trouble. Her therapist had trouble diagnosing her with her mood swings. And the point of the story is that that through the therapy and pharmaceutical development PROZAC is eventually developed in PROZAC completely changes in her life. So this is an a story about. He No People this is an an anti pharmaceutical story. This is a story of how PROZAC helped set. Someone's Brain Chemistry Balance Back and save their lives as you know She finally committed or tried to commit suicide and while waiting for PROZAC to to take effect and once it took effect choose finally able to you know gain her life back and find joy in her life that she hadn't had in a long in time and it really just. It is almost a love letter to pharmaceutical development. And and you know. Big Pharma doesn't have the best reputation in America but the development development of PROZAC had a huge impact on society and and there. Are you know there's always that that opinion that big Pharma makes millions millions off of people but there is also the fact that without pharmaceuticals people with brains. That don't that are a little bit rusty. St You know people have polymorphisms. Some people have you know slowed uptake inhibitors some people lack serotonin own and without pharmaceuticals to help that. You know it's like it's like fighting a losing battle and so it really. It was given mixed reviews. You know it was pro Zack's introduction into mainstream society. I've read the book and the movie is great to Christina Ricci Stars in the movie she is it it is jarring is the jarring movie. It's not easy to watch. Neither are the other two books slash movies. I'm GonNa talk about If you are a fan of PROZAC nation or you want to read more books about you know mental illness and biography style Israel. I recommend Get me out of here by Rachel Island. The story of a girl who's diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and a and major depressive disorder manic disorder. And it's told from her point of view going to seek therapy and Dialectical behavioral therapy. which which is another cutting edge therapy for personality disorders? And that's not a movie but of course honorable mention is girl interrupted which I feel it is a book it is. None of these are easy to read or watch girl interrupted pted is also a film like PROZAC nation. I think girl interrupted is more you know. More Entertainment AH value then then realism. It's Adelina Jillian Brittany Murphy BEF- While Britney Murphy was still alive. God restor Mr Soul But those are a couple of you know and Bernie Brown is great on the kind of lighter side but biographies realism realism. People have been through it. I definitely recommend get me out of here by Rachel Ryland and girl interrupted by Susanna. Casein when we come back on a lighter note for my final segment. I'm going to be telling you who was born on this day without googling. Can you think of anybody hint. They're all Hollywood movie stars. We'll be right back with. GMC Social Media News podcast the GMC lyft unhappiness. podcast takes you on a journey of exploration. We'll discuss try to true nothing alongside the latest trends. How death live your life to its fullest in happiest from psychology to meditation science to self help books the Genus Mc liven happiness podcast? We'll help you to discover what makes you happy and how you can live like like being the fact you lost the ball. Download the GMC life and happiness. PODCAST on Itunes soundcloud. Google play or anywhere you find podcasts it just GMC in the search bar welcome back to the GMC. Social Media's podcast I'm your host demotes and we're here to finish put the of our segment who's born January seven. I guy he's a man you might know him from raising Arizona depending on how old you are you might know him from matchstick man Dan. You might know him from national treasure and you might know him from ghostwriter it's everybody's favorite medium Nicholas Cage so so personally he creeps me out so People in my theatre core group class troop whatever Colt and I know people in my theatre group and the Theatre Club Drama Club. Yeah I don't know it was. It was more club it was it. It was a way of life. No people in in that group They used to print out. Nicholas cage heads like it. Sounds really goofy. But that that one picture of him like would his head is back and he has his eyes really wide. If you know if you're familiar with meam culture you know which one I'm talking about. It's the nick cage mean and Back whenever that was super popular they would print out his head and stick it around on places for people to find just like randomly. I'm sure you know every school had that group but Weirdos and and I was I was one of them all right second up. We have Jeremy Renner also known as that dude that you know his face but you can never quite remember his name. He was in avengers. He was in the hurt locker he was in the Bourne legacy and he was in my my personal favorite. If if you haven't seen this movie please do yourself a favor and go look it up. It's called tag and it was made in two thousand eighteen. It's awesome it has I Hannibal burress in it as well as Jeremy Renner as well as I can't place his name but the guy from new girl nick from new girl and like so many other great actors and I had no idea. This movie was even a thing. I was randomly browsing Amazon Prime. The the other day this is not Amazon sponsored and actually it was like a year ago and I watched this movie and this entirety and it kept my attention. It's so good. It's comedy comedy about five friends. who come back? 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#189: Hollywood Endings, Pt. 2 - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

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#189: Hollywood Endings, Pt. 2 - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

"Hello next picture show listeners. Here's a friendly reminder that if you enjoy the next picture show you'll really enjoy getting more next show by subscribing to our patriotic for the low monthly the price of three dollars which gets you weekly newsletter or five dollars which gets you are bonus episodes recent bonus episodes included fun discussions of midsummer and hobson shaw aw an upcoming episodes include some talk about succession to subscribe to our petri on please visit petri on dot com slash next picture show they keep the line between the past you believe someone out of the pass and enter take position committee but the not through with us welcome to the next picture show a movie of the week podcast to a classic film and the way it shaped our thoughts on a recent release. I'm keith phipps here again with scott via sand genevieve caskey tasha robinson's since currently revisiting her days as a t._v. Stop man by visiting an old movie ranch. We hope to see her again soon. Last episode we look back at nineteen sixty eight l._a. For the perspective vetiver nineteen seventy-five but it's cussing hal ashby film shampoo this episode we're looking at nineteen sixty nine hollywood as seen from the protective a twenty nineteen in a film made by someone who spent his childhood years in sixty l._a. The news quentin tarantino was making a movie at least partly about the murder of sharon tate and her companions on august eighth nineteen nineteen sixty nine a film set to be released near the fiftieth anniversary of the murders. No less inspired trepidation in some quarters. Was there a tasteful way to approach the story and if so was quinn tarantino the filmmaker to do it tarantino after awed spent the twenty first century making variations on violent revenge movies and his previous film was the especially grim the hateful eight nobody predicted the finished product would be so wistful and complex if not totally free of the over the top violence. It's one of tarintino signature touches. The film stars leonardo di caprio as rick dalton an aging star best known for his run on the western bounty law brad pitt as cliff booth brick stop manton valet and minder and margot robie tate rix neighbor. It's a film that feels a bit meandering until it becomes clear how it steams narratives rhyme with one another there to hearing into a funny but bittersweet look at a turning point in hollywood and american history. We'll talk it over after the break <music>. I'm rick dalton. It's my pleasure. Mr schwartz bet your son must start doc doubleclick booth last night. We bought a doll double feature shooting. I i love that stuff. You know the killing killing stomach book you still here. You can do anything you want. Talk actor tv cowboy line all acting people. Did they all right everyone. I've talked to scott about this a little bit but not genevieve gonna vive but it's just gonna throw. Would you take genevieve. This is film. I had a lot of fun with in the theater <hes> the word that kept coming to mind both during and after to describe. This movie was indulgent obviously on the part of tarantino. This is a subject matter that he you know has a strong connection to in you know as you said at the top there you know everyone was intrigued by what he would do with us but also like watching this movie kind of felt like an indulgence like it's such a rich experience being in in this world for two hours forty minutes you know and it does have all these little digression diversions and you know you're kind of zipping around under this movie and it feels like a treat while you're watching it. I have to admit i came away from it feeling a little empty like it didn't feel feel like it's stuck to the ribs so i'm curious to hear about this. You know complexity that you that you speak of because to me. It felt like i said just sort of indulgent a you know a an exciting place to to spend two hours and forty minutes but i didn't feel like it had super strong ideas that the left me pondering afterwards i would echo everything you said except there was nothing afterwards because it is film. That's <unk> at least given me something to react to. The bar becomes so low for hollywood movies during the summer that it's just so interesting to see a movie that is this rich at at least in terms of world building <hes> but then also has a lot to talk about on people are continuing to talk about this and i know there's that people get upset about the discourse some some of the places that it goes and it does ugly places. I don't think there's anyone on any part of the spectrum of liking or disliking this film that isn't annoyed by their counterparts to some some extent but i think there's been a lot to chew over but i think first and foremost i had the rare arash and similar to genevieve which is that it felt so great to spend time in this this world was a and it's a world that tarantino obviously loves and loves to dry out with as much detail as he can <hes> one of the things that he's really learn and to do as a filmmaker. This almost inglorious bastards is when he does it. Maybe the best is just to kind of. Let me as long as they need to be. Let's just like it's okay. It's it's okay. The this movie can have some sprawl. He's confident enough that he can hold your attention through sequences that are way longer than you'd get in another movie from visiting the ranch bench to all the stuff on the set of bounty law. These are things that he has the patience to kind of draw out and it's great and i think that you're to to get back to this idea of world building. I think term that gets thrown around a lot because it's a strategy that we've seen happen on television and film and things like marvel or game game of thrones where world's expand in more characters are added. Mythology is added also other stuff but here the it's just he just straight up build something that you you can just it was like a sandbox sandbox video game. It's like it feels like you're just engulfed in this thing. It's not about like collecting whatever stones you need to destroy the a universe. It's about really just figuring out what it is about this period that you want to express or or that you find interesting and then just evoking in a strongest possible wounded the tarintino at the peak of his powers <hes> throughout this movie. I agree with you. I think is interesting about that especially coming off our conversation of shampoo. Is you know for as much time as it spends. You know kind of exploring this world. It doesn't feel like a you know particularly unhurried or lackadaisical film. You know it's almost jittery you know to a certain extent the way i like. It does spend a lot of time in scenes but those scenes aren't ever stagnant. You know like there's a lot of just sort of movement and energy to this film. I feel from beginning to end in a way that i think maybe heightened some of the emotion that there is in this movie. I don't know that it's a super emotional film but it does kind of give you that excitement for throughout. I did not feel this movie's length. Remotely you know the way that i might right if it was a a more sort of relaxed you know lots of floating cameras and spending lots of time you know dwelling on this beautiful world. That's been created like it moves throughout this world constantly. Even if it's spending a lot of time in certain places i was thinking that it feels feels comfortable just like abandoning a character for a long time just like you know i'm gonna file. I'm gonna follow cliff as he goes to this ranch. Which has this experience and <hes> you know you're gonna follow him from the point where he picks up a hitchhiker and drives her to this place and then as he makes his way through when he talks to the current occupant he asked about how he's being treated and what's actually going on here and it's just like it's a very long sequence but it is purposeful this so much exactly perfect it is purposeful in that he is in each of these segments and this was true of inglorious bastards to their long but he is carefully building tension within them and carefully carefully building up the stakes favourite bid and the whole film is when rick dalton filming lancer which it seems like in the telling of the film. This is the last last time he really gets to be an actor. Because at this point at that point he's ready to move on to spaghetti westerns where his voice is going to be dubbed in what he does as an actor is not going to be as important but here <hes> it's such a masterclass and there's so much at stake for him is career than his. It's just basic. Dignity as artist is being <hes> is on the line and <hes> and he's kind of in the in really the sense from tarantino the kind of go by the way that you kind of lose it. He's drinking a lot. He's on a sharp as they used to be but he delivers it when it counted. It's in when he does. It's so exciting. I think so much to what i end up chewing over in the same house to do with rick dalton and has to do like what happens when you're very good at something but the industry you're then aged you out of it and what's up please. No no i mean i felt well. That's not what i was referring to but you know what maybe you is. What is your friend do without knowing it but you know what happens. When you know you are good at doing something and the industry does not support that anymore you get. I mean whether or not rick dalton is just a cheesy western. Western star is kind of open question until that c._n._n. Lancer <hes> as you pointed out and he realized this is really good and sharon. Tate is someone who was was always on the verge of becoming a big star never got a chance to become a big star and you can see her talents bean under served by the material. She's given in that wonderful scene where she goes to watch the wreck. That's the scene. I love abbie. That's pretty much up there too. You can tell the movies not good but she is good in it and what she's concerned about. Is that you know. She entertains the people because actually is you know at heart what she got into and do this for. I mean you know besides all the complications and all the <hes> you know all the aggravation hollywood all the ups and downs of stardom you know oh i think she and rick kind of both came to this from a very pure place and and they they wanted to act to he wanted to be a cowboy she wanted to be a movie star and <hes> you know it's an it's really about the moment win in very different ways. It's about the moment when they can't do that anymore. Her because of murder near him because <hes> <hes> the his time in hollywood has passed. I think such poignancy to that and there's such poignancy to the indian as well. I think the phrase i think a._s. Scott used in his review saying like like the sixties never ended and that sort of the question is asking not if like the sixty themselves never ended up at the moment <hes> that it captures and what if what was sweet about it was somehow drawn out in some ways. I think there's there's a lot of the strategy in this movie. Though is the more you take into it. At at the more bittersweet it is because i mean and we we know what happened with tate. Obviously it just filled with people who died young or met scandal or some combination of the two polanski and steve mcqueen queen james stacy the star lancer <hes> these are imprecisely these are people who did not have a lot of happiness in their future in many ways and i think to see them at this moment before all turned <hes> gives it an extra extra depth but they just i think it's actually a lot going on this movie and a lot of turnover <hes> <hes> it's just not necessarily all there on the surface yes but then you have to take into account what this movie does at the end. Which is it takes away that yeah tragedy. You know that that is hanging over this. You know this movie but we know better you know and i think that's that's kind of what gives the sort of sweetness. The doesn't quite feel right. Maybe i keep coming back to the fact that this movie is called once upon a time in hollywood and you know tarantino uses once upon a time to sort of signify is alternate histories because it was used an inglorious bastards to as i recall at the beginning but you know you get your fairy tale ending at the end and end. There's some fairy tale archetypes at play here. Obviously tate is the princess you know and there's some sort of prince and night characterization happening with rick and cliff cliff is well i think because it ends on a note of happily ever after and thereby removes moves not just the tragedy of the tate murders but you know everything that happened with roman polanski you know or like it kind of freezes an amber this moment in invites you to imagine that this world could like continue on in ricketts his happy ending to everyone so it just gets tied up in that way in and like i understand that by playing that against what we know of history it creates a sort of tension and causes you to dwell on what really happened in a bittersweet way. It just didn't do that for me. I came out of this movie fan like well. You know that was a happy ending. Everything turned out the way. It should have turned out on this excellent. Why incredibly moving especially the second time i saw this movie i like that was maybe i just need to see it a second time but what stood out for me about how the ending the very end is visually i sort of interpreted those gates up to sharon tate's place to be like the sort of the pearly gates so being. You know we do have that it is dry. Yeah i mean it's it's it feels like because again is is jesus saying like we do better that we do get this this fantasy that things happen differently differently in the sharon tate was able to live and have her child and continue on in her career but we know better and that is kind of a visual acknowledgement of that of you've heard voice coming through the intercom which is kind of a natural and sort of maybe celestial and then these gates opening up and it just it has it feels like such a kind of a heavenly heavenly image that were being left with of her in that situation i interpreted that as like the princess and the tower and inviting the heroic prince even though the dashing night is the one who did most of the heroine's the flame thrower that's true yeah. It's interesting. I mean i mean it's obviously him. It's a return to the well. If you wanna be hard on him mm four of 'em him doing the end of inglorious bastards again where it gets to just destroy all the terrible people who things <hes> but <hes> but i was is a little move by and i think i think the movie just earns it of throughout and particularly with its depiction of sharon tate which is pretty gutsy but ultimately lee so moving just to give her that time to have the experience that she has this theater and taking a picture and and <hes> you you know sitting there among the people and watching yourself on screen and hearing the laughter and just having you can see just what a blissful thing this is just. It's such a sweet thing for him to do you you know and you don't sweetness is not something that you get from tarantino all that often i mean this film i think we did of course parrot with shampoo but if you pair it with another film in his filmography would probably have to be jackie brown because it kind of has that kind of warmth to to it an affinity for its characters <hes> that's a little different than his affinity for characters and other other films of his certainly different from you know the likes hateful aid and and <hes> genuine chain and those types of films i wanted to play like i don't have a problem with the end of this movie like i do. I did like this movie on the problem with you. Leave but yeah. I mean i. I'm just kind of explaining what i came away. From this movie it feeling was not the bitter sweet feeling that you guys had it was more just sort of a a pleasantness but <hes> you know like i said. Maybe maybe i just need to see it again wrong i can i can enjoy it the way that i do wrong. I've definitely heard that reaction from others as well. I think the end is very divisive and <hes>. I think it's it's one thing i i've. I've really loved about this. Film is that so many people take away so many different things from it and no one's injury responding to quite the same way and i think that's what lots of over here we kind of interesting thing about this discussion though the ending is that we're talking about the very end of the film but we're not talking about what precedes it which is an unbelievably violent scenes in that at the end of a film that is notably not that not violent certainly not by turn tino standard so it is a really shocking <hes> in you know some have complained quite gratuitous climactic scene now and angry too it feels like there's actually a lot of anger and then the staging that almost almost premature as much anger in the stage in the end of inglorious bastards yeah i mean i maybe just because it was a tarantino film in like i. I don't know the violence didn't take me by surprise. I was bracing for it. You know i was like there's no way we get out of this movie about the tate murders without something grizzly happening you know and i'm kind kind of famously not as attuned to violence as others on this podcast and you know i may have watched some of that scene from behind my hands but i didn't. You really have a problem with it. Maybe as i'm like thinking about it and considering a little more you know i'm developing some problems with a- as i sit here 'cause i've kind of tuned out of a lot of the discourse of this movie just because i didn't want it to affect this discussion too much and also it's kind of exhausting but i i liked that kind of a lot like it was it was violence. This is fun. Which i know is a problem for for some people and sometimes it's a problem for me but it wasn't here because i think the execution of that scene there was a lot of humor in in it you know it was almost like kind of went up to a horror comedy of place which is generally i can process gore violence a little better in that context and also so there is a a really good dog involved so that always makes it makes it go down a little better. We'll be devil's advocate here because i think people people have picked up on and i want to be really clear here that i i'm not gonna defend the manson family here but but but i think you could potentially essentially pick up on a certain hostility toward the counter culture and towards hippies in this film even beyond this scene or maybe the scene being the apotheosis of that <hes> am i is that a crazy thought i mean or i mean. Did you feel like you can see these men as you you know of an older type in being lionized as being an old old type and also i'm not i'm not that's not even a judgment call. I mean i think that film has kind of a conservative notions that but that doesn't always make it a bad film it just it has notion so does this film have. Is it a legit thing to point out about this film that it feels hostile towards the counter-culture and towards hippies and seems to more favor you know the types of people that <hes> rick and cliff represent <hes> i mean you kind of have to read lead the manson family as stand ins for all of the counterculture and was manson and i don't think they are i'm thinking of like the playboy party you know like which which is just so wonderful in in decadent you know and feels like a really maybe not quite positive portrayal of the counterculture but if a more certainly not an antagonistic one you know the i'm just sweet hippie <hes> woman that sharon take a ride to the ep that he buys that cliff buys the funding cigarette from from seems like a perfectly <hes> wally vegas you gotta seat manson as as not manson is in something like an an invasive parasite on the counterculture you know taking taking advantage of what was going on and people like her character. Yeah i mean i know there's some maybe you can speak to this general because they didn't listen to the mall or maybe keith did too but i guess i guess <hes> karina longworth podcast on the manson family really got into a how horribly you know sort of abused and manipulated deleted the women were and whether and maybe there's some some thought to the film not being <hes> terribly sensitive to that aspect of the hippie women but you still dealing with people people who committed really vicious acts of murder sympathy can only go up to a point. I think yeah i mean especially with the movie this sprawling. If you wanna create empathy for every single character we meet and you know it's just gonna be <hes> slaw yin and i think i don't agree that the the manson characters the manson adjacent characters are a standard for all of the counterculture. I reject that premise. I do acknowledge that you know no. It is not exploring the manson cult in particularly deep way but i don't think that's what this movie is is is about the manson family an evil that was encroaching on what this movie is about which is hollywood in this moment and the people that populated it. It's about sharon tate. It's not about the manson earlier this year called <hes> charlie says drudgery mary harron written by gwen of your chair turner. Who did the team behind american psycho and it ends up kind of spinning its wheels but but i think it's an interesting film and it is <hes> told from the perspective of of a social worker played by merit weaver who has to council and essentially d program <hes> or attempt to on some of the women in the manson manson called and it gets into the complexity of of how deeply brainwash these people were without actually forgiving them in any way <hes> <hes>. I think that might be you know that's a that's a movie that has room for that discussion. I don't think this does <hes> yeah. I again a mostly playing devil's advocate here because i think i think both of your points are are good and i i think there are a lot of counter arguments to the notion that that tarantino's expressing hostility towards the counterculture culture toward towards hippies i mean there are plenty of <hes> minor characters in even major wish characters who kind of undermine that argument just before we move on i wanted eh paying off keith's recommendation and also offer another sort of a semi fictionalized take on the women of the manson family family and that's emma clients the girls which is a novel from 2016 believe <hes> and manson himself doesn't appear in it or not really a <hes> you know a manson analog that that appears in it it's very much about it's sort of like a psychological thriller that gets at the core of this cult that that enabled it so if that's what you're looking for the once upon a time didn't give you maybe check out the girls. If you have already yeah movie can't do do everything but <hes> but this does plenty right and also just things that shampoo does as well as we'll talk about when we made some connections after <music> break talked about the weather i'm used to you. I just want you to know i'm the one who cast you and i could not be motorized. That you're doing is thank you sam. I appreciate it. That's a good part is mentioned stacey seriously on not yet. No no guys green bay dynamite together well. It sounds exciting now. Rick about your hair. What about hair. I want to go with a different hairstyle. So what tending more cash you look like a hippy hippy more hills take sam. Sam got me covered open. All this this <hes> this junk has the audience knows me they don't now. It's time for connections when we bring these films together and talk about all the things they have in common. Well you know we we started off. You know obviously the big topic here is hollywood in los angeles and and depictions of both and also the depictions of how the engaged with the counterculture throughout the day actually more similar than different in that in that respect where they're both a lot of what's it's happening in the counter-culture is outside the bubble that the being characters live in but it's starting to peak in it's starting to to find its way and just just the way ricks asked to play the bad guy as like a did us hopper type sorta hippie biker typing which is something that he would not have been asked to do <hes> back on bounty law aw and shampoo you know they end up at the it's. It's hollywood party with money that they end up with but there's enough of of these are the new hepatitis invited to make it interesting or to dominated. I guess ultimately or may you know kinda see those people is not so much genuinely hippie genuine hippies as as hipsters who are putting on the dress of the day so that's that's my take on on on shampoo shampoo the hippie party or the you so you think it was kind of held you're right. I mean it's it's. It's a sprawling mansion. It's not like some sort of rented house in the valley or whatever that's a good point. I think i saw sam adams. Make this point on twitter too like this is loss angeles nineteen sixty-nine. It's not san francisco. The city has a different relationship with the counterculture. You know it is still an industry town and there is still as we briefly touched on shampoo. There is still a <hes>. You know a conservative element of play. There's a lot of money you know flying around in a way that is very sort of antithetical to a lot of what the counterculture was invested then you know so there is a bit of a uneasy relationship between the counterculture and what is really you know the foundation of hollywood's hollywood's so you know obviously there. There are hippies. There are people living that lifestyle in los angeles in these characters you encounter them in in various contexts text but it's a very hollywood version of the of the counterculture and i don't mean that in the way the movie portrays them i mean you know the the counter culture as it existed in hollywood would versus you know san francisco or any other place in the country like there. Is this tension there. That is wrapped up in what l._a. And hollywood specifically typically is most known for its compromised in a way that it might not be elsewhere either because of money and because because of hollywood that do you can't have as pure pure expression. I mean they're they're. They're just kinda. Take somebody like george can take take the whole free love idea and run with it for his own for his own indulgence but he could give fuck all about politics. There's no there's no recognition his part. I mean he doesn't care that he's going to this. Nixon party doesn't care that nixon is getting election election. This does that register with him at all. This is happening. I don't think if we ask them to differ between nixon and humphrey he wouldn't be able to tell you right yeah so so <hes> and i i should. I think that any any good counterculture person would be able to make that may be pretty clear about that and both films. It's sort of the counterculture divorce from any real sense of idealism find it interesting that in both films we get these you know sexy mansion parties at the time in hollywood is at the actual playboy mansion and the the one shampoo could just as easily be at the playboy mansion. You know so there's there's the sex and the drugs and the rock and roll but there's not you know the anti consumerism and political engagement that was a part of the counterculture and other parts of it you know and again. I'm not saying at that part that that aspect of the culture wasn't present in l._a. But it's not present in these movies version of l._a. Well one thing i will say that i really appreciated appreciated about. Both of these movies is how they approach history from kind of the side door from a different angle. You have rick dalton alton living on cielo drive which we know is going to be. If you know the manson story you know some stuff's going down and then and then you have this election eve and in the election and i think one of the strengths of shampoo is how ashby works that into the movie as more organically than i think i've ever seen seen a movie. Do i mean we're it's a really important part of the film and he's in the background but it's in the background in a way that would be that it makes complete sense wh wh- where they're at any particular time and then they're at this party yet. It's still kind of in the background and it's just it's almost like the sucker punch right <hes> as you were saying. It's it's like the ground around that's moving under georgia's feet but he doesn't realize it and <hes> ashby directs that way of just like he doesn't. He's not cognizant of any of the stuff that's going on but it it does ultimately become important to him in in to the country because things are about to take a turn and he's going to be left behind and other people are going to be left behind because the culture it's gonna change radically so <hes> i like that i like. I like that approach to history of not taking its straight on as tarantino has done in other is in inglorious bastards in jake chain of of battling the these huge <hes> evil forces directly <hes> he's he's just kind of exploring it from a different angle and it just it makes a big difference in the tone of the film and the subtlety of the film and you know. I think it's something that both films have in common that ktar strengths so yeah it. The election is always in the background in shampoo and you know the radios often on in there and what's put time in hollywood. The radio is always on everywhere everywhere. Advertising's everyone's listen to the same station. Listen to the same songs and hearing the same ads and i think it's such an curious and important element of that film. Almost you can almost say it's inspired by shampoo the way they're kind of just let's <hes> the media the omnipresent media roll around and behind all these characters but you really do get since there is a town it's it's a shared culture that everyone is a participant in that we should definitely kind of get into that sense of omnipresent medias you as as you put it in in both of these films and especially the music but before we get too far away from like how they engage with history i just also want to point out that they do do both turn on a single day in history an sort of pinpoint a single day as a turning point and it's it's a different day day in both cases were separated by a few months you know and once upon a time in hollywood is takes place over a longer period of time but it does build to this single date that funnily enough is the same date that we are recording this exactly fifty years after the sharon tate murders so little little background trivia for you there but we kind of did the sparing <hes> based on the idea of the shared sense of an era ending in these films and i think that it's interesting that they both kind of pinpoint a single historical event as sort of the crux of that turning point and they're very close in history but they are not the same turning point yeah it is kinda funny to watch these films that are both kind of end of the era movies please but they've they've they have pinpointed a different date at different event is being where that into actually is shampoo is operating on like a level of national change change the national election and once time at hollywood is very specific to you know something that shook hollywood in particular and and you know the culture of that town obviously it shook the whole country. <hes> had a specific connection to that town in a way that the i presidential election and shampoo take your pick of stuff that happened sixty nine th that shook the rest of the rest of the country entry. I've heard it's kind of important. Every baby boomer in the world has told me job i believe i believe it was the summer that ryan. Adams got his first real six string right. It's true real good stuff. That was a that was a really important stuff that have summer of sixty nine but speaking of yes. Let's let's transition <hes> from bryan adams to the music of both of these films which is such an important part. It's such a great part on both films i i. I was stunned watching shampoo again. Just how expensive such a soundtrack would be today. I mean we go to this <hes> hippy party in here to beatles songs from sergeant uppers and we here because they're playing the whole album like that. I think that that's something that you know. We don't think about from the perspective twenty nineteen but like they probably put on the whole album during that party you know and we just happened to those. What is the priciest thing we could play the rights wise <hes> and then you get that really awesome buffalo springfield song mr soul and and you've got the beach boys song sodas wise hinder acsi at the monkeys you just get i mean they're they're really big obvious six sounds of the sixties songs songs but i think you know they hadn't quite become south of the sixties cliches at this point either due to it feels. It feels fresher for some reason. I mean well. You never hear the you don't hear the dow often it now. You don't wanna be when you at wells. Do you ever hear sergeant pepper's in the mood. When you're warren beatty you can license the beatles songs bet you can just you just have to seduce. <hes> you know a beetle. I guess do something bad you know the the they all they can talk about their hair. Other beautiful all have beautiful o'hare but yeah. That's a key thing that ryan me so much. Did you ever catch up with the alleviate asa asa film cold water. No i need to see <hes>. It's really good. I think it's i think he gets up criterion channel now because it was unavailable forever but there's like it really builds to this party sequence that is just just loaded soundtrack wise and and they both both parties kind of have a similar feel though that one has more of a punk kind of end to end to the end of the world vibe to it than <hes> than the one in shampoo but any case i think it's i i think i think <hes> the soundtrack definitely is a big plus <hes> shampoo i think the point of contrast to those those are the foam when you think of the music of the sixties as you would think of all or most of the songs that you're mentioning and once upon a time in hollywood. It's not the obvious tracks i mean. There's you know paul revere and the raiders are all over this power power and the raiders is you know sort of like the commercial version of a cool six rock even then and hasn't as not all that fondly remember remember now but you know i think the pretty good argument that paul revere and the raiders said some really good songs i mean there's some good stuff but you also get. I mean doesn't that character. Actually argue that audu yeah and you get you get jose feliciano's version of california dreaming. You get buffy sainte marie his version of the circle game. I'm and you know he's a crate digger. He likes to go deep. Give you the deep cuts and antics. He got a lot of a lot of that as well but certainly tarantino being a the music curator but also kind of gives you a sense of not everything ends up played forever on oldies radio some stuff ephemeral camera. I mean some songs. Don't endure in that way and it's true of the films in it as well. I mean i mean all these movies that the go past all these marquees movies that were actually actually lisa nine hundred sixty nine and some of them have stuck around kind of like oh the sanction yeah early for that it's your intersection was on that marquee else but but <hes> roy juliet stands out is in in monroe also like you know three in the attic is heavily advertise film and and <hes> i mean you know the wrecking crew for that matter or what is the joe namath movie c._c._n. Right right see she seeing company c._c._n. Companies like who remembers this film and and you know i think there is a kind of a kind of gets at the the you know it's a town that produces these big expensive products that involve a lot of talent and a lot of promotion and a lot of hype in the turn into vapor after a while depending on what they they are. I think we can expect though films of any era to be like that of of of all the things that are playing right now that have big advertising what ties the campaigns and earned opening in two thousand theaters telling me that fifty years from now people aren't southern. We're talking about men in black international or no or you go smaller than that. It's like bright burn. That's interesting think family people sharing that you might get a little bit of a tiny cult reputation but but that'll be who knows i mean if someone makes makes one time in hollywood about now that that maybe that'll be like <hes> existed i i was grateful for that and grateful for a soundtrack that was so obvious because my god i mean how many movies set in this the era. They just play the same ten songs or something don't they. I think another connection that we can't be this discussion without noting even though i think we have you've talked around it a fair bit and both these discussions is the role of women in the female characters in these films because in both films we are dealing with for the most part women characters within their relationships to men and something some way or another and shampoo explicitly absolutely and in once upon a time in hollywood. I you know we definitely get more of a sense of sharon tate. You know as a person but it's she's. He's still kind of functioning as a symbol. There was a bit of a hubbub around roby's lines or lack thereof in this film when the when the film debuted at can tarantino kind of made some crappy comment and it turned into a bit of fuhrer but you know i think i think we're all in agreement. Aim at this film actually does pretty well by roby and by tate even if she doesn't have a whole lot of lines per se we do spend time time with that character and in that wonderful movie theater scene we do get a sense of her in her hopes and dreams and her need for validation and and you know maybe some less idealistic parts of her character to and i spoke in the first half about you know how i i liked how distinctive those three women in georgia's life are from each other and they're even though they all kind of have quote unquote the same relationship with him. They're all different and at the same time so yeah. I don't know i don't really know where i wanted to go with this connection but it just feels like something we can't discuss these two films together and not talk about wants more time in hollywood. He's as making choice. The choices of very bold choice to limit sharon sharon tate's dialogue to make almost like a meteor low or something like a silent vigor. <hes> who's <hes> presence in who's who's <hes> expressions are going to deliver. All the film wants to get from that character rather than counting the lines as as time magazine did much to the ridicule of the entire internet <hes> but i think the women in shampoo sort of grow on you a little bit. I've just like the movie itself. It really feels it just it's so patient and ability to get to know them and at grant won an oscar for the film i i think deservedly it's a wonderful character and <hes> yeah just it's it's an interesting movie because i think it does acknowledge a <hes> georgia's blind spots with regard to women without understanding of of women in that you know all they talk about his misgivings about men or something. I can't remember the actual linas and that's pretty much the only thing he seems to know about them. In the film itself doesn't seem to have a huge amount of insight but at least it has is the ability to to distinguish between the three as you say and give a lot over to the actors who all give such terrific performances i mean every single one lee grant and and goldie hawn and and julie christie and carrie fisher in the role that she has <hes> so <hes> yeah <hes> it also walks walks this really interesting tight rope of like showing the pressure. These women <hes> like are causing for him. You know or this pressure. They're putting on him but they're not portrayed is like nags or antagonistic to him. You know like the the reason they are upsetting to. Him is the through fault of his own. You know they're they're not being shrews or you know he's playing them. You know i guess maybe fully show a little bit is portrayed aide as humorously needy in a way that the the other two are not <hes> but it's i guess redeemed by the performance there in that case case you know the the the character has a you know you can tell that there's something unfulfilled in her life. She is seeking fulfillment and through through this relationship and i think that's brought across more in the performance than anything else but you know mrs robinson. That's in esque quality that character. I feel like fundamentally. All their crops are legitimate. Their complaints about georgia are completely completely justified ossified oh but does that define who they are their complaints. Maybe a little yeah you know but in the context of the movie and george just being a bit of a a doofus. I think it works and then you know on the flip side of it. Of course we have george is this emblem of male beauty that is has not faded. I mean he certainly you know still a very attractive man but for his glory around him has has faded you know and that is certainly early something we have in once upon a time as well <hes> both the prime male specimen and the faded glory. You know oh undercutting that to a certain extent so what what did you guys think about that. Element of these films brad pitt looks pretty good on that roof. People said oh my god. How long has it been. Since though i really just didn't wanna end this conversation has been since he got basically the the same reaction in thelma and louise white ninety one anyone so twenty seven twenty eight years at this point yeah yeah twenty two sorry that's he's not this is not the not the next show yeah so anyway he he doesn't look like somebody that age is supposed to look. That's not that's not or or maybe he looks exactly how someone that agents supposed to lock and we're all fallen short well. I think we've always but you know for as beautiful as cliff is obviously obviously a attractive to the women in this film as seen in the market quality character. You know i in him and him. I in her back like he. He is also kind of a loser. I'm thinking of his his trailer which you know his sad trailer and his sad macaroni dinner and you you know his his very good dog that is you know his only companion other other than rick you know and he does have a pretty sad existence that you. I don't really process when you look at him because he just is like yeah. Obviously he's gorgeous. Everything's everything's great for him. Visit south the hammer had for us because he seems okay with his existence. He seems fine and yeah. It's interest the cliff. Character is really interesting to me once upon a time in hollywood because he's he's like the cool guy 'nigma to rick dalton's like sort of blubbering blubbering comic relief. It's interesting the dynamic between those two but they are both men on the the downturn of their life if you know in in different ways but connected ways and there is a base sadness to both of them because of that that creates is an interesting tension with their their good looks and rick's case his money success whatever whatever you wanna call it you know because it's it just highlights. It is fleeting. You know maybe not if you're brad pitt. Maybe maybe it will never we'll never flee or warren beatty for that for that matter but you know in the in the context of these characters i think i supposed to believe that. This is the end of an era for them. They're still beautiful but they faded in other ways of course cliff lives behind ended a drive in which is also something else also going to go away as well so we he's living quite marginal existence. I live within twenty miles of two drive-ins vents here so i don't know what you're talking about. The dream live in paradise drive in is was a real driving so longer no longer there well speaking of things that have to end. I think i think the discussion is probably winding down but we have enjoyed talking about. Both these films so please awesome feedback. Currently shampoo is available on d._v._d. And blu ray via the criterion collection. It's currently streaming for free on crackle and ridable via the usual else digital rental sites. One time in hollywood is in theaters. Now we saw seventy millimeters button. I did at the music box here and <hes> that's the best way to there's only five theaters in the country planning the seventy millimeter thirty five at the logan here in chicago as well so you can kind of catch it thirty five and a lot of places to which article it's the way to see it. I i mean yeah if we'll be right back with your next violates head to catch each other up on films or film related items. We've we've seen in the interim. Since our last podcast we call it your next fisher show in the hopes it will put some interesting choices on your radar scott. What in the film world has been good for for you lately. Well i saw this movie <hes> back in true false and it's been through theaters but it just became available for purchase and for rental on streaming services and i think music fans. I absolutely have to check it out and that's the film amazing grace. This is a back in nineteen seventy two aretha the franklin decided to record a gospel album at the new temple missionary baptist church in los angeles and warner brothers sent a promising young filmmaker by the name of city pollick alec to capture the event on film <hes> pollock had done. It had done some stuff before he did he had done <hes> they should horse. Don't they so he had a tiny little bit of experience but but he was undone by a huge rookie mistake which is he failed to mark the synchronization of image and sound with clapperboard resulting in twenty hours of unusable zabol footage and a total abandonment of the project <hes> it was something that was taken up later by a producer named allan elliott <hes> who had who revived it synchronized it it but then it got hung up by aretha franklin herself and various legal issues and likeness lightness issues etc elliott finally showed the film to her state had got the approval and now we have this incredible piece of history <hes> where <hes> you know franklin who who entered into this church as already already in rb icon but the way this whole thing plays out is what really is striking to you is is both her presence but also her humility in this <music> sort of house of worship in the songs that she's singing in her engagement with these songs that meant so much to her throughout her life now all those feelings are are both <hes> deeply felt throughout the film certainly by the congregation and by us as viewers but there's also kind of monica this bit of professionalism. I guess on aretha park. I mean she you really get a strong sense of her as an artist somebody who's who's aware that this is going to be that this is going to be recorded that is ah total probe to on top of everything so she's feeling the songs but she's also you know nailing it and being being there for the moment and getting down good tracks <hes> so lots of great stuff wonderful. The music is wonderful. This was the top selling gospel album of all time i think it remains so and and <hes> and you can see some fun things like <hes> like <hes> mick jagger showing up on night to just kinda want around the back <hes> so a lot of interesting things there and some string context with regard to watson the riots and that sort of thing too so <hes> it's a treat you know and we'll i think anybody who watches it will be a you know if they weren't already astonished by retha franklin's skills as a singer and performer they will be wild by this so amazing grace cool well in the lead up to release once upon a time in hollywood the sony movie channel which i don't know how many people get or not but they do some good stuff on there other programs some films <hes> chosen by tarantino <hes> as influences or just sort of carry on sort of a similar vibe to once upon time in hollywood and he talked about them in interview segments with <hes> with kim morgan the film journalists and one of them was a film. I had not seen before which i've really enjoyed called model shop up by jacques demy the great <hes> french filmmaker of my favorite film of all time the umbrella a share <hes> an which we covered on the show and and it is a partner for him where it's it's him doing a story set in sixty s. l. a. and it kind of we talked about before how when a director from another country comes to america you kind of get sort of a different perspective on american. It's very much that the things that catch his eye about los angeles are not necessarily of things that other people would latch onto the main character lives through this beachside appointment next to an oil derrick and you can see an oil derrick <hes> in on one much time in hollywood as well. I don't know if that's addressed point of inspiration but maybe <hes> the film stars gary lockwood of two thousand one a space odyssey fame as <music> someone with architecture architecture degree living in los angeles who doesn't really know what to do with his life. He's kind of drifting around. He's lost his job abuse money. He spent one money. He has a very fancy car. That's that that the report people are going to come for and he has a tortured relationship with his parents but but <hes> that we play via telephone that evolved him telling him he's supposed to call you know come back and report for the draft and and over the course of one day he kind of falls for a mysterious woman for another country named lola played by nokia me <hes> <hes> which is your i q to figure out that is actually connected to an earlier film immediate called lola which is expected its own way to umbrella shipboard can be of angels if you don't know any of that but it's still kind of interesting <hes> just a french woman who's also in los angeles kind of hang out embark on a relationship and really not a lot happens but to paraphrase the first thing that that tarantino put the interview. It's like in the interview. Segment is like you get to the end of the movie and you realize a lot has happened. He's kinda come to some very big decisions about his life. It kinda has that sort of like day in the life. Let's just follows. Personnel us angeles quality that you'll find it. Once upon time in hollywood is well and <hes> i i found sounded quite enjoyable to check out and a really interesting time capsule and a in addition to being curious departure from from from great director. <hes> gentlemen can help you. If you see anything good lately yes. I've seen something very good. I saw lulu wings the farewell which is a feature adaptation of a story that weighing for shared word on a i believe two thousand sixteen episode of this american life <hes> about a chinese families elaborate attempt to keep their matriarch from learning about her own terminal cancer diagnosis. I feel like this was a pretty well remembered episode of this american life so the premise me sound familiar to you but the film which wing wrote and directed is very different french and very worthwhile experience it starts aquafina recently of crazy rich asians fame in a very different role as billy <hes> the thirty something daughter of chinese parents parents who moved to america when she was a young child and who maintains a close relationship with her nine aka her paternal grandmother who still lives in china billions resistant and to the families intention to keep nine i in the dark about her cancer diagnosis even though everyone assures her this is the norm chinese culture and so billy goes to china alongside the rest of her family for rush wedding for her cousin that nine i believe is legit that everyone else knows is a last chance to spend time with her. It's really hooky. Primus thomas but the resulting story is a really thoughtful and nuance comedic family drama. That's carried by fantastic performances in some really interesting film making choices <hes> <hes> a very talky film one that jumps freely between subtitled mandarin and english up. There's no sense that you're watching filmed play here. <hes> weighing frames frame these conversations and very interesting and evocative ways in establish such a distinctive sense of place that really underscores sort of culture sure clash elements that are going on in the story despite the fatalistic premise is frequently a very joyful movie. Thanks in large part to the actress who plays nine. I whose whose name i am certainly going to butcher here but is zhao shoes then i think she is an utter delight <hes> but there's also of course a lot of sorrow mixed as well and and the way that weighing in her actors are able to strike that balance is really impressive and definitely worth seeking out came out in mid july i had some trouble tracking down here suburban michigan but <hes> eventually popped up on the art house screen and my local multiplex so hopefully you can still find it playing where you are at as well because i would definitely recommend and seeing it in a theater. If you can <hes> the farewell have either. Have you seen this white house ah with you. It's terrific. I think it's going to turn up a lot of <hes> top ten list at the end of the year and we'll be we talked about this movie. <hes> some some more. I loved just the tone of it. I loved. I loved to hell aquafina. Scherzer was so connected both connected to this heritage heritage but also distance from it like she'd spent time <hes> there but but you know her memories that noise match up with what the with the place you actually encountered. <hes> bahasa loves the sweetness of her relationship to her grandmother. It's just as genuine uncomplicated <hes> familial affection and in the sense of what would be lost when this woman was gone was really strong throughout the movie i i it's it's it's first-rate. I'm looking forward to seeing it again at team more from from the director it's top of my list of things to see that i have not seen so i'll soon in fact my my wife and my eleven year old daughter of seeing it but not me awesome and it's also yeah that's what it is definitely a a as. I recommend it to somebody. Else is definitely you can take you can take your mom too. It's it's a g. I saw with my mom yeah yeah. She loves it. He's got a clean. That's true that's true well. That's it for this edition of the experts show our next pairing will come out on the twenty seventh and september third scott. What's coming up next steven bognar. Julia roberts it's documents american factory was the best film i saw at true false earlier this year and it was picked up by netflix after sundance where it won a prize for its direction. The film don't takes us inside the food factory in dayton ohio to witness a fascinating culture clash. Fuyang was a chinese company that specializes in windshield glass. It's it's taken over a shudder g._m. Plant a lot of former g. m. workers are hired for these new jobs but they soon learned that china and the united states have very different philosophies when when it comes to work in issues are raised about salaries workplace safety and unionization the tension between the company and its employees called the mine another classic labor documentary barbara koppel's harlan county u._s._a. Coppell's film follows the conflict between kentucky coal miners and their bosses. The violence breaks out as the strike drags on for more than a year. We'll we'll talk about what these two films say about the state of labor relations in the twentieth and twenty first century in the meantime. We'd love to hear your feedback on this week's discussion of shampoo once upon a time in hollywood and anything else film related not to talk about include your thoughts on feature episodes the show you can leave a short voicemail at seven seven three two three four nine seven three brasileiro or email us comments an extra show dot net finally before closing at this week's episode work refined everyone else these days genevieve. I am the deputy wti t._v. Editor at volterra dot com and you can find me on twitter sometimes occasionally tweeting at genevieve kofsky scott. You don't tweet that much smart smarter than our tweeter however you'd find me into it at scott underscore tobias where i mostly yell at politicians and you can ah by work at the new york times washington post n._p._r. Vulture lots of vulture television this these days with succession and hunter <hes> good it shows and <hes> <hes> and i'm also the chief of oscilloscopes musings blog <hes> we have some really good stuff up there now and <hes> something to come that i think is going to really really exciting but i can't really say anything about <hes> yeah. How about that <hes> keith. Oh i'm a freelance writer editor. You can find me on twitter k v three thousand you can find my in writing it oh vulture and slate and the verge polygon and decider and t._v. guide and i'll just all kinds of places <music> outbreak magazine t._v. guide to try to eat right about t._v. 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Long May You Young 28: Life

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Long May You Young 28: Life

"Yea million ladies fan. Apparently my neighbor just pulled into a driveway blasting that song awesome. What here we got here. Of course trying to keep to the traditional live making a cocktail based on every album we cover and that's life does live all the cocktail. Say yes. so i've drank uphills ner papa peoper pumper. I tried to find an inca queen. There was a cocktail called the inca and it had like creamed cow end vanilla vodka and brandy cheese and two types of vermouth. Oh my god and it was and then had to muddle lake chili peppers and i was like fuck that. I don't have the time or the energy right now. I don't fuck fucking like this album. That much yeah. So i went down the list. It would be kind of a good drink though. It does sound good. Yeah i would be make it for thanksgiving. If i was in charge of drinks. I would have just made like like like a white russian but i would have muddled life cereal. That's yeah yeah. So i found one called I was going through the songs i found on. Call around the world and it really looks thoroughly disgusting. It might be the worst one. It looks like it. Looks like i can. Saint paddy's day drink. Green kid shamrock green. It looks like the secret of the us is what to look in. Fizi told me this is gonna get you fucked up kid. Yeah really does it. Looks like something from ninja. Turtles is what it looks like. It looks like Yeah it looks like an in you know like a star. Wars most is leased s or like something they would drink like. Guinan would serve on next generation. I wish i got that reference. But that was would be goldberg's bartender character on next generation. I did like the little few that you got into with our buddy john on facebook you see said dorks ordered or something like that stephen king. Wait it out on ninety. Stephen king's autograph and i was like nerds. Let's try these around the world. we're gonna kick it off here now. This might be the shortest podcast ever because this might make us sick. Can i say wait. Wait say what's in it. I yes okay. So the around the world from the mr boston's cocktail book which should be a warning in itself. It is this is Jin cream demand and pineapple juice. Smells like listerine medicine. East smell a little bit. yeah i get. I get a toothpaste going for it. All right let's do it all right. We real tastes like a candy cane. It's like tastes like a goddamn candy. Canes this very festive drink in the smart of the hall horrible though it's fucking like a candidate tastes like a is a candidate. Yeah my my belly drinking jingle bells right. Yeah this this is very minty. Yeah yeah not stopping me. I thought it was gonna be awful but it's really it's just mindy. Yeah it's terrible. It's i feel like it's just really mindy. It's we should be eating like cookies and stuff. We've got a fire going in here we get. This could the stockings up. And the wow no matter. How hard you try. I'm not gonna play. Bruce springsteen santa claus is coming to town right. I think that's the point of these drinks. Is that what you want me to play that right now. That is that we want clarence. It's off offer. Christmas is starting to get to me now. Yeah it's gross. I mean three simpson. It's gross yeah. You just say so much like a candy cane. It's just disgusting. I would do a shot of this like this. do show. yeah now the you're right. After the third sippy start to hit the pineapple a little bit and it doesn't seem to. Yeah it's like it's like drinking too. And i'm like this is different. Why are we all fucking the girl who choose the gum and willie wonka right now. Oh now it tastes like blueberry pie like we all just osborne or like drinking orange juice right after you brush your teeth we will just turn into jack nici. Oh my god. More strings makes a return in this album. Oh yeah a really shitty one. I might add you'd useless. It was like a useless return. He didn't he didn't have any. I don't know it didn't even sound like there is a song. There i thought was not song ended up not being life. You mean no no. We're talking about a ragged glory. This week us. Well i wish no. That was my dad. Because i'm reading comments about our last episodes. Can we get through the fucking eighties. I know we're almost the eighties. Actually get better. We'll after this it starts to get better. Freedom is in the freedom of gaps off the. That's the last song it's like. It's like the the light at the end of the tunnel for me is fucking right freedom. Although i love the next album too. I don't i've never heard this notes for you. I love it. it's very blue. It's almost like neil young in the eighties like all right. Here's a checklist of all the different ryan ras. I want to change the things. I wanted my bucket list. What i want to do. Before i die and live video calls the vanden that one the blue note right so we're having a blue dream act. Sure we owe this. I just did. I say to walker just terrible burp. It tastes like those those the not even just a canting but those peppermint candies little circle one from mixed up. Yup yeah candidates now circle. The circle wants peppermint moments that are like candy cane but a circle. Pepper milk mint. If it is nice it is nice over us. Every time he says circle to show us what a circle lakes with circle was. He was with me man. I am going to stop drinking this. Because i'm going to finish mine because i'm a trooper. You can have the rest of mine. But i'm gonna drink beer while i drink it. Oh although i have a sour going and it's a very awkward mixture. So i might switch to like a like a bud. I got to save my buds for this notes for you this bud's bring the well. Let's get into life. Yeah let's do it. You just hit the interest where we mostly talked. Though in mr rbis dan. it's is that from inca. is that franken. Queen others the elephants. I just thought be fun to put some noise. All you know you're the drums in the jungle. It's funny 'cause there's an elephant in the jungles south america where none exist. Yeah get your fucking geography right. Neil me laugh laugh. welcome to long. May you young the only wildlife podcast that talks about neil young greg. Eighties host steve irwin. And what's his jeff gordon. Who said a crab brothers. I know a mall. Okay there you go. Oh my god. That was amazing. Cauca dial dundee. That was way better. That's not a life now. that's a life that's crazy or is way better than tales. Stop beating yourself up there other christmas. The i feel. I feel like i feel sick now. Might be the burger king. Well it might be that on top of the burger. Yeah that's probably the best mix of always treated me well but with this gin and a to remember that i like that. I find jin refreshing. Okay we'll have mine. And there's some still in the shaker. I think polish that off all right. So that's your around. The world cocktail not recommended by me on long near young broadcasting live from the amazon. They can keep its luke and russ khandan from the band town meeting a who are a world music band that likes to experiment with animals. Sounds like that intro. Mike shoe. It's the only neil young podcasts. That we know of that is tackling. Neil young's catalog album album. We were just talking before we hit record. That are no actually. We were recording that. The eighties is tough. It's rough would like to be done with it. But we're we're i think we're at the tail. Were pinching off. The third part are we. Yeah so i will say you. The turdly foley leaves the the anus with this. I think life is the pinch. Okay and then you wipe to me. Because i like this notes for you Quick shout out. We were saying before we started recording. We both listen to the rock in the suburbs podcast so they did on eighties. Neal car parks feel about it. He seems to really like the eighties although he said this was his least favourite outright. He's well he comment. I posted the picture of the album on facebook really like eighties vibes and everything. Then i can see how this would. You wouldn't like this one. You like eighties. Music in lakewood meal was doing with the eighty sound. I'd be curious. What his fate. I don't think he mentioned his favorite trends. Oh did he say jazz favorite. He loves trent schranz. He said maybe his favourite neil young album really. Wow you know it's weird margot price. Everyone knows margot price she for record store day this year she picked her. She's a huge. Neil young fan obviously just holding up a record. She said one of my favorite young records. It was trans really. yeah see. i like trans more than i thought i would. I actually didn't hate trans feel about water favor. Yeah like. I don't know if i go back to trans either but i i kind of and got everything else. Maybe everybody's rockin but trans is up there as far as the ones we've covered recently. Think everybody's rockin is my least. Although i didn't old ways up to this point in the eighty s crazy to me that you hate you hate everybody's rocking that much compared to everything hate it more than trans and always more than old ways. Yeah much more than old ways from top to bottom in the eighties up to this point. Okay i haven't listened to this notes for you yet. Not counting for them. Because that's going to be way up there scape from the yes but so far freedom. That's right literally freedom. Literal for neil top to bottom so far. My top is reactor. Yeah and say that. I think my favorite out of the eighties after that is landing on water for me. We're going strictly and then probably oldways. We'll hawks and doves counts to life. Trans everybody's rockin. While i can't believe everybody's rock bottom of the barrel for him for the eighties. Yeah for the listeners. Couldn't tell that you turned away from us. Talking to mike. That's tough sounded. Like i just wasn't acknowledging. What's your bottom of the barrel then from the eighties landing on water It's a toss up for me. It's either landing on water old lady. It's it's landing on water. Got or pressure saves landing on water for me. Slamming on water or trans is the bottom for you. Yeah okay. i thought you like trans. I did like transplant. I liked everything else more. Okay yeah because their stuff on like like. We've talked about a million times with hawks and doves. I would listen to some of those songs again. Yeah translate you'd like that. Yeah right yes. Oh that wasn't was nineteen thousand nine hundred eighty two. I put that honestly reactor. Then i think leaning on water is the bottom for me. Okay where do you put this. One note isn't now no. It's not you you got kuch to you got me. That's going to be a thing. I think we'll reactors top reactors number one out of everything we've covered so far. We're not so far of the eight right. yeah. I don't know why do we. Why are we doing this. People here I don't know scott parks did it. Yeah the whole episode of an excellent podcast and they had a great job too by the way he presented a very good case. He's very enthusiastic or genuine. I don't know about the two hosts of rock in the suburbs if they took him so scott's not no he was like a guest from patriot. So every i think every month is wrong in the suburbs on patriotic. Yeah do stuff for patriotic but you can get a spotify owns everywhere. Good podcast too. I didn't know if it was like a strictly they so only have it on their own on you. It's everywhere on your facebook. Post scott parks road. It's my least favorite eighties. Neal release however. I've spent the least amount of time with it so that could be part of the reason life. Yeah he says for me. The album sounds like sounds like the cover looks uninspired and beige but so matt devlin. I actually this to me felt like i did. Actually i'm i'm so split on this album but I like what he said. He said after landing on the water. This sounds like a step in the right direction should have called it. Rambo in the disco copies. I agree that it's i agree that it. Yeah it's so much looser. But landing on water i actually had it. Still has some of the trappings that yes but it's i agree with that. I think he's moving out in because of that. I actually like landing on water a little more than this album but it. It does feel like he's going in the right direction but he's still got a he's still put in fucking like in my first two songs. It's like their goods. They're they could be good songs but there's too much going along with the long walk home. I'm like this great and then arts out. And i'm like pudding on sound. You're you know it wasn't the machine gun. Sounds for me on that one it was. It was the the really cheesy synthesizer. Yeah that keyboards you know. The they were welcome the cannons and the explosions were used in a good way in a right way. They weren't like constant like they were through. Show i don't think you need them at all. I hate i they to me. They like almost ruined that song for me. That's the one. I thought nicci produced because it's so like grandiose which one did he produce again the last one we never danced the fucking twin peaks song had a very twin peaks soundtrack. Is it. yeah he took it from soundtrack. It's not it doesn't sound like one of those things that they play it that that bar that they're always you talking about right. Yeah yeah and they cut to the musicians. And although i will say. The bar scene in the newest time season of twin peaks is the only good thing i like about. That sees a veterans in there. Yeah there's a lot of great fucking axon and he just lets them play. The whole song doesn't give you ever see david lynch's music videos. I refused he put out. You would like them. Luke really really bizarre things. Sometimes you see the dance music media now. Did anyone see that now dude with his face. Fallen off shit. Yeah it was. Like i guess it was the first Thing he's done since only likes in like thirty years. Non soundtrack yeah. That's that's his a music video of him right and not yet like oh interesting something off. Yeah i thought it was cool. I didn't but i did. The blair witch project is on hulu was a new or the just like the old one from late nineties. They've redone like three or four times. But it scared. The shit out of me. When i was a kid and i re-watch it hoping for a good spook and it just isn't terrible. That's that was the jaws. It's it's not terrible. Because after watching it i'd be like greenhill park worcester which is not in the middle of the in the middle of the jungle. You know it's like it's a pretty. It's like worcester tech is over there a. Yeah it's not like this and the trails aren't super lawn. Like maybe a couple of miles. But i'm walking through there and thinking about is josh knows being wrapped up in that bandanna or whatever i thought it was his ear. Oh i thought it was like no you might have been as knows whatever it just freaked me out was that it was a lemur. Google jungles sound effects. I didn't it was still for what it was. Great fucking movie and even this time it was enjoyable. But it didn't scare. I think it's because i've watched way too many behind the scenes shit on it and i love how they made that movie. I loved that they spent like a dollar to make it inmate right. Yeah the us what like not. Vhs what are they. use little little camcorder. Eagles damn quarter said yes. Yeah but i love. I also like they made a genuinely fucking terrifying movie. I think that's pretty cool. I don't know anyone. Did you want to still have me. Do you want me to do this thing. This what we've covered up to this point or now if you want probably rock Sorry reactor everybody's rockin second is everybody's rockin. I really like old old ways. Hawks and doves trans. Oh sorry it was including life because we listened to it okay fine reactor everybody's rock in than hawks and doves old ways wild hawks and doves life trans manning water. Wow geez. I go with reactor trans this album. Life third favourite. Now yeah okay. And then everybody's rockin hawks and doves landing on water okay interesting. I think i had fun with everybody's rockin and and he had old ways is len whistled old ways his last for you. Okay always is below leaning on water. The song pressure saves landing on water for me. I don't really like too much old ways. I'll redefining pressures really good. Though a read a few more from the post made on facebook about life. The elmore doing today. And you read san bradley's exactly does okay all right. I made it through landing on water but couldn't make it through this one. In my opinion this most forgettable record thus far so much so that i forgot what episode was coming out next until this post only this podcast could get me to listen to this album again. So i'll do it. I saw an instagram instagram. Mikey long music. And this one's going to sit with me all episode. Because now i feel really self conscious mike. Long music said another solid episode. Lads in this was obviously about last episode. Great to hear luke back with the energy and enthusiasm that was missed from the last few apps because i loved the album. You guys have developed a great chemistry together and it is a an. It's a pleasure to tune in weekly was on an absolute rage and russ got together after a slow. Start getting together after slow. The second truscott start now. Well i kinda what. I get what he was saying. Because this album exhausted you and you have like an album that much up until this point and you also had lingering from the from the interview. I think no i i wasn't that bothered by the kuch. I honestly it's mostly because i'm moving and it's really stressful and all that stuff and if anyone's listening and this includes our european listeners in our couple of asian listeners if anybody can get ross a coffee table that'd be awesome. That'd be great thing. He also said similar sentiments. Okay wait he said my zone. Absolute raging truscott together after a slow start similar sentiments to luke on this album. Oh meaning he agrees with you. Never mind i read that wrong similar sentiments to look on this on i listen listen. Many moons ago. I had to shut it off as it literally made me want to shoot myself in the face i felt however time someone else however time fades away and this album has grown on me and i actually enjoy it now exclamation point. Wow will definitely have it on regular rotation. That's crazy when i'm in the mood for some huge gated drums high right next to peter gabriel's eighties output chow for now lebron's okay. I kind of music. I get exactly. I have a slow start. I get what he's saying. Though you came in now i know he's came in but i kind of get what he's saying. There's a chance. I might throw it on again and in a couple years or something like that just before most of these other albums. I'm going to go back to reactor bunch most of the other ones. I probably won't but like even this one. I probably won't go back to this one about going back to this one more cup orange things because there's not a ton you have more stuff. Gentle vision said just started listening to the pod yesterday. Honor of new orleans birthday. Glad i found. Y'all still so stoked to hear people dissect dissect some of my favorite music ever performance inks. I'm so bad. This was recorded and larson lawson. The flight announcement interludes. Were even better than before. I think he was the one who gave us the idea was. We're not doing it for the show. I don't see you are so hard to think about a theme for life though sad guy with the mullet watching vietnam war movies and beanbag because all mills agent so i guess he wants us to be a mullet more movies and it'd be we'll have to wait for good idea comes the. He had a good suggestion for the last album. Not doing it everyone. It's too much well so not. Everyone felt that way. James clark on facebook on your posts did not remember this album so had to re listen for. The podcast is surprisingly soothing. Even around the world in mideast vacation are quite. Aor like train with better lyrics and appeal. Pov still love long. Walk home in prisoners. Those songs are memorable. Something mesmerizing hypnotic about the drums. And soupy base edulis a lozenge sonically love. That's excellent great. We we drank lozenges. Made me sick. I might throw up during this gray lock. Yes is there a bucket around here. That's life paperback writer. Nato for a strong start. Mike and then i'm going to vomit. How about that start. Mikey as of this point. Mikey there's one more besides matlock raza. Who just weird right now. But it's always thought was e because he said he told us. Yeah it's really weird right now in the end it's all we got by the way. Thank you it's refreshing. Because not a lot of people are asking the deep and import classic. Elastic walk but Pity bird the other one was map. Polly regularly youngster. It's an okay album in queens gorgeous and almost worth the price of admission around the world like if devaux and yes made a song together. Jesus i kinda dug it in kind of dug it this go around and super dated though something about eighties drum production. Yeah could never get into that. I agree and he says not agree. Actually even with the green thing. I think it's really beautiful. Not as jarring the last few albums. So it's got that going for it. Which is nice so well. I got the stuff from the neil young sub reddit and this is about the coach mar interview from. I'm new ninety five. I thought a fight was going to break out during the interview was getting pretty tense by the end. Seemed like everybody was all smiles. Loved it and then. When i posted the interview i gave a little description of stuff danny or people danny coach has worked with chair. And so i put james taylor and john lennon and carole king and i put don henley but and someone laughed and said that was really funny and i gotta admit it was a complete mistake. I wrote don't hanley which i'm now going to refer to him as from now on. Thank you stone slate that that was really funny. That was actually a mistake. That's great so thank you very much for that and then This is from okay. This is about landing on water. I love this podcast each week and you guys are great together. Thanks giving me a good reason to listen back through the albums. I would usually skip past all that said at least from this description of blows my mind that landing on water apparently got a worse reception than everybody's rockin. It's not good but still anyway excited to listen. I agree with that and that was infant. Stop he's read it names or frigging awesome. And then masha here. Even infant stoller frock dugan. Nash says this album had potential to be awesome. He's talking about landing on water but just ended up being muddled navy's production values that have dated horribly mind. You i enjoy stuff like that. Honestly but in the context of neal's music not so much and See member were Someone said What was it that Someone gave the anagram for for an album. Yes l. y. Or something whatever. Yeah yeah okay. so the guy over at performance anxiety which is also part of the pantheon podcast network and is a great podcast. Tanf y this notes for you. Yeah we hadn't covered it so it was and he also has a side note saying has anyone kept account of how many neil young songs contain the phrase. Take my advice. Just like the shuffle thing shuffling his feet shuffling his feet at this point. Now we gotta start. Counting songs about inkens or mayans are well. This is what this is only the song to of inca right but third if you're counting like central american and south american historical. Because there's ride my llama really. That was about aliens can good. We'd cortez obviously yeah I think that's it right. I don't know maybe. Yeah i don't know getting your little laugh right there. Just sound like a central american bird f. k. l. cap hope. You guys are still friends next week. I mean damned this. If this was video streamed at the end. I would have expected to see luke sitting in a boat in a lake. Like frago wow no. We weren't gonna kill luke landing. Just because i'm right. I mean why would you only because i'm right about something or maybe you are trying to kill this drink. Sorry i thought for sure. Healing me man. it's awful. Yeah never have and around the world drink. Never mix cream dement with pineapple juice. What's a huge mistake. What are we talking life. Everybody know just trying to make it happen. Yeah you know one day time. That's what i always say digging. Then that's why. If we could do that i could do like a frank interlude. Where i sing. Things like frank. No we're not doing. We're not doing one. Because i don't want this to be an every week or so. That's life like scott park says about the cover Pretty much explains where neil was at this time. He thought his geffen contract at this point was a jail sentence. It was only for five years. I think are six years but this is his last one. Well yeah and he. He didn't really know that though it was done. Yeah okay. yeah so But that's why it's like his hands on the bars and that's why it's called life and Neil said he was just counting off the years until he was done with geffen at this point and this was after they sell up there. They were still like you know hurling insults at each other and stuff like that and this a lot of the stuff was recorded on the landing on water tour so we like some of its live. Yeah but like it's weird. There's no crowd salary. He did what he did with. Rust never sleeps but it was just better at getting the crowd noise out or else they weren't just making noise. We're just like what the fuck is this. Much rust never sleeps. He recorded a lot of this exit. Only two songs were recorded in a studio cryan is and we never danced. That's it yeah. And everything else was taken from live recording and so the landing on water water tour was plagued with a lot of technical difficulties because of all the technology. Neil wanted to us so there like tons and tons during the live. Performance wasn't overdubbed. No no it was kind of like rust. Never sleeps where they took it and then they did over okay all right but during the tour there is a lot of samples and like ralph. Molina was also in charge. He put him in charge of some of the samples to trigger some of those and He kept fucking it up in a major way and he couldn't get it right and there's a lot of technical difficulties. Although frank san pedro became quite the computer expert on this tour he actually embraced it. And learn a lot about computers and interfacing and all the all that stuff and but his relationship with crazy horse at this time was pretty bad because of the way they've been treated in the past he kinda dump them and then he brought him back for this. Right except for pancho. Because apparently he'd been working with pancho quite a bit through this whole time so there is that tension there yet and then the shows weren't going that well and then he won he called up. Elliot roberts one dance dancing. I want a bunch of robotic cockroaches walking all over the stage while we're plan and i also want people in mouse or rat costumes also wandering around on the stage and then someone playing who's supposed to be neil's mother this. Yeah neil man. Holy shit guy. Sandy mazzeo that artists guy. Who's in charge of some of the production designs of he designed the cockroaches and hannah put together and and stuff like that and that was a nightmare for those digital or where they real real like robotic mechanical cock roaches jeeze which were also a nightmare because those never worked in the crew hated all that shit let them and then and so they get into about fifteen shows on this tour. This is just the us tour and they bring in briggs to see if he can pull materially off fronts. The new stuff for the new album and briggs gets there and he's just like this is a shit show and he was just like everybody hated each and everybody hated what they were doing on this tour and it was awful grace and and then on top of that neal's trying to get them to play the landing on water stuff and he's trying to get ralphie to play like steve jordan. Yeah when she can't do right. Which is like you can't edition rough and right ralph. But it's just not the type of player he is well ponca was like he's trying trying to get us to play like steve jordan and coach. Mar what a joke. Because they're nowhere near as good as those guys are. They're very different. They're also different. Yeah so the tensions there were really bad and a apparently billy was all fucked up more so than usual corps and brig said that neo was in a rage. Air is a tour with a bunch of people that hated each other. Hated what they were doing and it showed so. That's the kind of atmosphere. This tour was on. And then you know i keep mentioning that live video called muddy. Track that he did in europe. Yeah yes so. That's what that tour is okay And he said that you know there are some moments in that where you realized that he was a complete asshole like he was getting on them on crazy horse in the rest of the crew for other drug. Use like he would stop. He'd have his bus crazy horse would have their bus. Stop it in the middle of the highway. Because he didn't think they were taking the tour seriously so he'd stop the buses and you get off and you go check. See what they were doing. Like a dad checking on the kids. Jeez so that's the that's the kind of thing that was going out. Poncho right and briggs briggs was having like the worst time so they brought in belly put that coke down for fuck saying how many times draft to tell you. I know it's like really neil's like understand if someone's fucking up because the too fucked up. Neil young telling you to put the drums away got damaged melena get over here. Get on my knee belly. Yeah switch belly. Stop doing coke off a molina's asshole. They brought a niko bolas to help. Bridge i i was to say that they brought fucking nico back riots. While they do he'd never recorded a live band with a remote unit before and so we walked in and he's and he's like. I don't know how to fuck do any. This briggs said quote. He said quote briggs hands me a couple of grams of blow and says welcome to the road kid. Jesus christ and then poncho eighties man. Instead of eighty two still wild anamour briggs look like in the eighties hair. Because if you watch the with angel briggs sleeps with angels video on neil young archives he still has like wicked feathered seventies. I don't know what he looked like. Respite i know what he sounded. Like order genucel. Wipe out know. That's fifties briggs. Oh that's right yeah. Poncho and sandy mazzeo like tried to hide from everybody so they hung out their own drugs. They had you know so they were friends. One of the funnier stories. Is they when they would go the disney on ice production. That was almost on the same. Like tour okay has them they would be in the same city or nearby and so him and mazzeo like started like hanging out with a couple of girls from disney on ice. Apparently the girls were saying. There's a lack of heterosexual men in the production. So they were just looking for guys that they could fuck. And and so. They've a poncho is like i was dating. Goofy and mazzeo was dating many miles up. It's so fucking. And then so neill said in concerning them to plan the landing on water stuff. The horse should never be forced to cover material. They didn't originate. And i was trying to think back. They've they must have done that before. Crayons wasn't that technically the horse. Yeah it was at first and then they got kind of stripped off that album but yeah they already knew that material i guess. Do you know that. Mickey mouse joke. You don't know that mickey mouse joke. Making malices gone to his therapist or no. He's going he's trying to file a lawsuit against any and he's and the judge kept telling him you can't do that. You're not gonna. I'm not gonna get grant you a divorce just because you say your wife is crazy and then maki mouses. I didn't say she was crazy. I said she's fucking goofy that one. You couldn't even do it in mickey mouse voice. I didn't feel like it than sir. She was crazy and says she was crazy. Asking lakes neil mickey mouse neil. Young is young mickey mouse. Hey buddy bottled water cost twelve dollars a disney because the alimony. After pay to that fucking bitch after she was fucking goofing up bird. Yeah exactly that's great anyway. Sorry so that. When i was working in weld welding shop when i was in middle school. Wow yeah that's a story in itself. Yeah it was like one of my first jobs. I wrote that song about a welding shop when i was in middle school. That's what that send. It sounded like good. Sorry so after they were done with this tour. Neil immediately started working on an album called weld. No that was later middle school. It was a new was born to. So that's weird plumbing. It's called a new age. Album called meadow dusk and it was all nature noises and simply took with neil in nasal whispering in whistling locals and nieces. Poncho said it was cool. Was that cool back. Then don't drink starbucks well like like sound effects that just like something that was fucking like where people like. Yeah that's cool. I like technology have made it easier. But i mean you know lars of in doing that like pink. Floyd did that. All through the seventies. Did they like cheesy way like this. I no they they were able to use it to better back the beach boys at pet sounds and none of it sounds live five animals though pet sounds did they didn't have actually actually no one knows this but Piano on god only knows really no. I thought it was mr ed. How am i using something else. Did they not actually have. I don't think they have. Did they have animals on pets. They had real animal. Yeah thought to the paul danone movie really which must be true. I've sure that they the band or actual animals like in the studio. They recorded the sounds of animals to fit that movie. Love mercy is like the first part. You're like okay. i never saw it. So it's paul place as young. Brian wilson and then john cusack line in bed. Just like brian wilson dude. When thank you but Paul dino's very believable. You're like oh. That's brian wilson and then like it flashes forward and you like john cusak wise junkies in this movie now because he's just john cusak gain have him play a a different guy like a real guy. He's one of those guys that has to play himself. As you know. Christopher walken and and jeff goldblum utopia show on amazon. I saw i saw an ad for it. I liked it. I thought it was. It was kind of weird with going on in the world today. i'll check. It was pretty weird because it was basically what's going on today kind of so. That was where they got. The material from this whole fucking ordeal of this tour took this tour to europe and they were dates. They had to cancel. Because of lack of sales was going was erotic episodes. I don't know he probably wasn't born yet. Yeah maybe not. Maybe he wasn't in his erotic phase. Just regular old life baby eric. Music makes me feel so sexy wasn't erotic. Yeah that's great but yes. My name's eric this this year for a neil young show and then after that show he became erotic after the podcast. This so this time was pretty like this is a low point for neil as far as and nothing was selling. This album wasn't selling. The last album didn't sell is still on low. I get it you know yes. It was definitely a low point lower than that. So this is where this album is coming from. Yeah much it does feel like a step in the right direction it. Yeah it's a little more step. It's a tiny step away from the shit that was going. Well let's this eighties. It's a step but his his back foot is still in that shit. You yeah but it sounds like scott. Parks would not be happy and is not happy about that. If you like eight easy like that sound. And i guess you wouldn't like this because he's moving away from that. You know well but i mean still drums the production revlon. It's not as tight leg. It was on landing on water laughing. And that's the only you're going to think it's funny. But it's like the fucking that a chunky from i think lee figure out what you do kind of where neil is in the eighties. What are you doing. What are what are you. Don't talk. don't square. Just neil trying to figure out what the hell what did he put his hat on his head again. Have you seen that. You think we told you to watch. What is i think you should leave tim. Robinson we talked about the guy who should his pants or whatever. It was stephen. No yeah yeah yeah. That's that's really funny anyway. He didn't shit his pants might. He's used to small slice just while we get into the well. Let's yeah let's might be shorter east vacation. I was pretty bummed when this song started. And i was like. This sound of those drums is still eighties. These are more than the sound of the drums on landing on water. Yeah a little bit. it's yeah. I know the scenario but this is less compressed. Maybe a little bit sounds like well. It's live it's alive compress right. Yeah you might might right. It's worse and then you got a plane on their wrong album. Neil all and it's still shitty this. This is fake base yet. He's there yet. But billy played bass live. Made him do that. I would be so fucking annoyed. Although i find. It's an interesting song like the lyrics. The story yeah. But isn't this one of those kind of reagan era songs. It is and whether you right there. I went looking for gadhafi. But i couldn't figure out like at first. I thought it was like a three part story. The first verse was about like a vigilante. I never took a wife. And i watched cop shows and you're either good. You're either evil kind of thing and remind me of bernard gets he has new bernard goetz's he was the guy in new york. Yeah who killed some teenager. Who pulled a screwdriver on them. Yes right yeah. So i got off right. Yeah yeah and then. I thought the the second verse worries like on a on air force one looking for qaddafi. Yeah and then the cia tells him to fuck off. Stop sniffing that smoking gun. So i thought that was about a reporter. Okay looking for the truth about what's going on in the middle east. And then i thought the last the double verses turbo america reagan in the rambo in the. What is rambo in the disk. I don't think it was about Maybe you're saying just that versus about the last couples. Reagan trying to go to the middle east to straighten things. Don't they kill the main character at the end of the song. No they burn him in effigy effigy. What does that mean. That means they you see it all the time in protest so like they back then they would have a paper mouche reagan and they'd set him on fire so an effigy is like a likeness. Okay someone or something gotcha. and so. that's that's what i thought it was. And then i was reading the Journey through the past book nigel williamson and he suggests. The whole thing is about reagan. And i'm like well. Reagan had a wife. Reagan took a. Why mommy mommy well now nancy nancy. Maybe we shouldn't consummate this so well. Now neil that's not entirely about me. Because i did take a wife neil. Yeah and as i thought johnny carson ask those people thought it was a pro reagan song but i take this as like a critical of reagan's middle east policy. It feels critical. But fucking neil typical. Neal's fashion doesn't you can't big. You're what the fuck is. The theme of the song is right. It definitely it definitely has of feel of politics though hundred percent. It's about you know us meddling in the middle east. Yeah pretty much. Then because we get on iran for backing terrorist groups. Do we do the same thing and thankfully we learned our lesson and we don't do that anymore. Right right you're right. I don't how did it change. And we rambo in the disco to me is they just went in and started killing civilians. I mean you does grow. I've never seen any real. I've only ever seen first blood. It's a great fucking. I hear all the rest are kinda shitty thing we keep quoting from. I i and it's the best of the best scene in cinema history where a rambo is hanging on cliff. And there's like a fucking thousand foot drop below him into some pine trees and they're up in the helicopter shooting at him and so he decides okay. I'm gonna launch backwards. I'm gonna just actually like free. Dives three dumps into the trees. And if you listen if you like watch what. He's going through the trees fucking smashing through all the branches. Also i don't know how they filmed that they must have dropped. It was great scenes. A great action. It's great it's great dude not contesting that. But what's hilarious is if you listen. He's going through the trees you here and then like he hit some brands like really yard and he goes and dude. I had that on like a repeat of it that it's the it's the polly falling in the snow. And i i was such a huge movie and it was an rambo. Now you know it's not just a character. Now it's it's almost like it's a verb descript or something and by the way rescue wrong. That's not the best seen in cinematic history. It's not even the best scene of someone falling down a tree. It's only the third best. The second best is when leo falls down a bunch of trees in The fucking bear movie When he goes off a horse and the horse falls off to. What is it the one where he arrives the revenue reverence and then the best one where he finally won an oscar. Yeah that's what it should be because once it was what's the other dudes name. The bad guy. That movie tom hardy. He nails females the western pennsylvania accent in that. Yeah that is so fucking western pennsylvania. Ohio he totally nails it. Yeah he's good. Yeah but the best that number one scene of an actor or of character falling down a tree is in almost heroes of chris farley. See maybe you haven't seen the baby. His most underrated him in fucking chandler matthew. Perry and eugene levy's in it. He plays like like a tribal chief. Nice in great. Yeah i don't think you can make that movie today. But it was parts. No but it's so fucking funny now anyway. So that's my take on mideast vacation. You know living in. He knew you sound right on. I mean and that's it's kinda cool writing louis. So i think it's interesting each versus its own separate. Yeah but then. I could see the whole thing about reagan over there you know. Because that's what you think. Neil starting to starting now at this point to get critical of him. Yeah okay so maybe it's almost like so in a way he is stepping out of a lotta that shit As far as his support. I think he played that up a lot more to get in with the conservative country crowd. Yeah yeah but i think and i think this one. This one is especially the next song. He's just really kind of shining a light on the damage done you get into that. Don't play the jungle citizen intro. This is awesome. Now this is classic. Neil trickiness sound sounding. Well yeah right here. Yeah yeah you get like thirty seconds of like a classic very journey through the past yes. It's great. I laughed to the gold rush. This whole intros beautiful if liver a girl role. Know he's not gonna see those. It'd be better if those real horns. Oh yeah giant. We'll put a boot up their ass. You know now that this is so pretty though law. Yeah and then. One of them goes to the high harmony at the walk like in one of the last ones. And it's really. I love the walk. I love the not typical. It's really nice like that. He jumps a little bit early on that. I think when listen to the walk harmony says walk. It's really nice. Julie pretty yeah like nothing's wrong it's really awesome. I like those harmonies. It was nice youthful after a whole album of landing on water. I mean other than all the keyboard crazy shit. That's going on and like you said the the sense. And whatever else. When i hear the course and the intro is fucking gorgeous. Last week neil on could guitar whatever and it not not guitar but just just monica monica piano pretty. Yeah that's that's my biggest complaint. Cores is gorgeous. I don't mind the samples but you know now that you've played the ricochet sample that bothers me because it makes it sound cartoonish that bothers can't do it was just the one can right. That'd be okay with it but shots part three. That's why i hate it so much because we've already been through this so many times. Yes sir i remember. I forget which the other one was but we said it was shots part to now. This one's shots part. Nobody was rambo partout. First blood part one part sorry. It was rocky fours the worst part. Do don't even get into the sucker films. Those are the best mark zuckerberg no sucker sucker. And what's his name. I forget the guy's name. They were the best that line. Though if liberty was a little girl. I i fucking love that whole. I don't know i just i wrote. This song is probably my number one. If i had like. Wow i think it's on my top three the production stuff that they added bothers me. Yes she just kept it as like you said she. Pno harmonica just play like that like you said in almost time fades away. Yeah sort of just because monica and just sing the song and it'll be really beautiful and it's great. I think it takes away from the message. Yeah yeah because if that the previous don't need right if the previous song was about the us failing in their mideast policy or their world police policy then this one's about the people who are paying the actual people who are paying the real price for it and that's just like the military guys get deployed because we wanna back some dictator or something like that you know are we don't agree or or we're fighting a war by proxy with the russians of the iranians. And so you have something like that ricochet or those cheesy keyboards and maybe it at the time. Because it's nineteen eighty six when he's recording this. Yeah you know. It doesn't seem cheesy but now just it takes away from that message. you know. i love the the line. What is it. We balance the power from our. Yeah that's a fucking awesome. Wine was just it to me at first it was like it's constantly changing. We're going back and forth with the other superpowers. But then i'm thinking or maybe it's more like well. We're supporting the sky. But the next week we're going to be sending in troops to take them out. Like manuel noriega in panama. Or something like that. Yeah i yeah. I like to lyrics a lot too and i. I think that that's cool. That he i liked the way he words. Everything and i agree. Look i think it's one of my favorites. I just have the same thing. We've been totally issues with the production stuff. And i wish it was just but i will say when this song came on especially after the first one i was like And and still eighties drums. And whatever then this one came on. I heard that her monica and it felt like that scene. It's felt like this is probably really stupid. But you know you know how castaway where like it's pandemonium it's craziness the plane goes down. And he's just frantic and he's fucking looking for whatever he can get and he's trying to find water and he's trying to open that fucking coconut. In that moment he finally figures out how to open the coconut and get that water. And it's just like that must be so good. That's what i felt. Like when i first heard this are monica was like getting the little drops a coconut water. So you're gonna say the look. I have created but yeah whatever comparison from castaway that you wanna use is appropriate for for me hearing the harmonica kazoo. I haven't heard that type of harmonica fucking six albums. The whole the whole song is kind of like castaway because the good moments but then when that sent them those those machine gun sounds come in. It's the it's the tooth part. No you know what it is for me. It's like i know where. There's some extra rope for me dr. Yeah that is really fucking dr. A great book and movie man. I think that's a probably his. I love when he comes back. I think it's probably his best really. What's better saving private ryan private ryan problems. Great forrest gump. Save me. the castaways great. It's great as far as his acting. I think i gotta go saving private ryan. Yeah really that's i mean i. It's up there. Castaways up there. I've gone ho party party slash. Show me the volcano. Joe versus versus. Sorry you've got mail. Sure you've got mail come on got ingredient to move on on three one two three. Yeah this is the part. Would wilson goes away. It's gonna i kinda like this one. Can you go to a part for me. Like i like that. Scream stuff there to what can go to thirty. Yeah yeah the sports nice and that's guitar. Yeah see i thought he was actually using like a hammond organ like he brought an actual organic instruments us for this because it sounds like deep purple. Sounds like jon lord from deeper. I love how chaotic. It's yeah it's awesome. that's all. I really liked that part. I do two to thirty even cooler right there at two thirty to thirty dentists. Dr spalding. don't even also. Can you go to three thirty. In the way he says change. I thought this is a chain like at through thirty. Was it really so eighties right there. That's very what it sounds like. Totally different songs from the we were just listening to it so that this. That's very classical right there. It's like that baroque what they call that instrument. Oh the Klavan harpsichord tarps. I like the song. I think sonically. It's it's the most interesting song on the album. I like the solo stuff. He does but that's pretty much it. I kind of like song to the drums though the draw again now the drums. Ruin it for me. This is less. it's at least it's at least rock but it's still eighties rock. It's the yet and it's that big. They needed this is where they needed a fucking gate the drums in a big way. Yeah i think. I think it takes away from the overall mood of the song. Yeah the drums still aren't the production of them. Fashion change style. Change with what the hell is song about. Not that i need to know what a songs about to enjoy it. But it's i don't know. I think it's about we're so worried about what's in style and fashions changing and we're worried about sports. Like you know an award okay. So boy girl fall in love. Look up at the stars above. Well that's a nice story. But meanwhile there's like world leader meanwhile put fucking with and charge like love doesn't matter because these world leaders could make a decision that would kill everybody. Yeah each verse sort of has that. That theme of different things happened. One of the ones that i liked was the people sweat and planted fields students study. What is real. Someone builds a laser shield around the world. Right that's referring to the star wars project. Yeah that reagan wanted to build and the russians there a race and then they beat. Reagan made star wars. George lucas He took everything from reagan. All right john. Williams made star wars boy here. We you know i think i don't. I'm not like super wild about the song is because it sounds like you just don't like to don't like that at all but the boy and girl fall in love it. Sounds like the fucking. Hey no it. Sounds like the dana carvey impression of neil cigarette smoker has him at. Did you ever see him do that on the so the standup he did way back in like ninety three. It's fucking great. He does like a whole neil. Young thing reminds me of like a two four six eight. Who smarts chance. You know what i mean. Yeah it's got yeah. i don't hate it though. I love the the line of surfers. In the water wasn't surfers room says he sees along with submarines or sharing sharing them with submarines experts count on war machines. So we're we're having a blast surfing. Meanwhile there's a nuclear sub like you know five miles off the shore you know so it's kind of like this goes along with the theme of the first two songs. Yeah like these world leaders are fucking shit up pretty much the fucking up life. I don't know that they are and jack knee cheeses. I think i'm like the more we're talking about it and even just looking at where we are time wise. This isn't very interesting like it's fine. It's i think that's why maybe Well isn't that. What sort of briggs was saying that it. yeah right. is that of what you're saying. It's just not there or was that briggs was saying something about oh he was talking about the tour right but isn't that all kind of tied in didn't they take some of these songs from the toronto. Yeah they took all of them from. They actually took all of them from. That's what i sort of sense. Yeah they weren't into it kazaa. Yeah yeah but there's some stuff on this record no there's walk home. Yeah yeah you know sounded interesting. I like i really like i think the energies there for that one. I like that one. Inca queen i think is gorgeous which i know is our next on but yeah piss again so thrill before we enter macho peach you can take a peabody. We'll take a little break in the jungle. Macho just make sure. The elephant doesn't get near me. When i got my elephant issue. Oh yeah really all right here we go. I love nature. What jeff goldblum say. Fuck and movie. He was in with drastic. Aren't no no big chill. I love nature. It's like one big toilet. I've never seen he's busy. Oh my god leader. That's not what the fuck that's russell. Zipping his fly. that's my stomach right now. you're not going to throw that in in play the stuff it saturday kind of in there. Okay also. i just played a minute of it. Our bathroom break are a little repetitive new age. Who's doing this that neil neil. Yeah yeah i like that. I like how it's acoustic because cortez's electric misses. It does feel a little gentler more. The'real does feel a little bit like an eighties. Love scene background. Yeah you know it's teetering on new age. Yeah in order to actually you know what here go to Go back to thirty four. Okay we thank you for your call and it is important to us. Please stay on the line until an operator can help you with your issue. You for calling. Oh my god that's exactly what it is. Yeah your current wait. Time is on our. You've kind of bucket just ruined this really pretty solo for me. Because that's exactly what this is luke. Your call is important to us. We're experiencing a huge load of calls. Sorry no that's fine because it is what it is by the way that we did with the fucking the how to videos last last week i when i was editing it. I was bucket role. Laugh at nine. So i was funny like i like the song but again luke. You totally made a point that i was going to say like teeters on eighties new age and that's why i mentioned that new age album that he said he made with synthesizers animal noises and whispering in it and stuff like that he was because new age at this time in the eighties was starting to become huge. Yeah like you know. What's like fucking guys named. George winston and michael hedges and all these fucking artists that were on that shitty fucking new age label. I forget what it was called but it was just like this is boring geffen. No no no very close but it was like what is new like. How do you define new ways. I keep i keep thinking new wave. It's not new way wallpaper. It's stuff to have all yanni kind of or a kind of a johnny is zak is a little too exciting and muzak is a little too square. You had to have some kind of folk jazz. Okay hold on. Hold on how come. No one has ever made an album of rage against the machine songs but done in a new way and called it. Muzak delaroche snippy. Great muzak is adela or della rocca. Whatever whatever it's a great idea right through good. Thanks fuck you. I won't do what you tell me. Like a real pretty on parade using like an auto harp. So this is this. Is him dabbling in that to me. Although i like it. I like this story the way he plays the acoustic in. Yeah and the story yeah. He's we've already said he's back in that. Sort of inc Central south america. Like sort of he's gotta get his bird referencing. Yeah absolutely and bird a bird on his album. Checklist must be a bird reference. But i dig it. I think the way he plays the acoustic is is really pretty. It's recorded really nice. Well this was the first song. I really noticed the live nece. Yeah you can hear that big hall sort of sound like the drums. Actually i don't hate in this. You know. I was one of the ones where i was like works. I like this because it gives you like that is. The aesthetic is perfect. The image of like you know. They're in the mountains huge tits on a big floppy fits you know and no. I agree the drums captured. Really well for the just the aesthetic. Divide whatever like the the little breakdown when inquiry has that part. I don't like as much. It feels almost appropriate only as much as the top of the song. But i don't hate it. I mean it's typical. Neil listening on headphones. Yeah fucking awesome. You like who the fuck said that. I see that was that you poncho with the fuck. Who's here poncho. Khloe the fuck outta here do your homework. The fuck launcher. What the fuck poncho. Your fr- smoked a bomber. Freaking me out poncho. I just had three around the world's all candy cane in fucking pineapple juice so back the fuck off from stone and i'm high on around the world. My tongue is green. Look you have successfully made a drink. That i can't finish. It's it's really tears just so minty man and then like you said the bottom of it is just not take a picture of those and post of. Yeah the the fantastic. It's so i. If you put a candy cane in there it would just be the best looking. Christmas drink ever. You can't even say also year. Not even you you. You brought a beer and you're not drinking it because you wanna say zips of talk later what it is eating a walker and then pouring this green shit on top like a candy cane walker from got it at the source really all right. I'll try this from a siberian stover. Mont and i hope some weird king midas should happen you now all you taste this no matter what you. I'm cursed kissing wife tonight. And is this like the curse of the inca queen. that's nice. that's good. This is now all in my brain. Still sido cider. Yeah okay that's really good now. I'm good thanks. So is this a sequel. A prequel to after the gold rush. I don't know why. Why do you get that. Because he says silver from the sky and many floating load safety boats to pick them up when they would fly and then they built the city were. The air was cold and thin. That's a macho. Pg reference the incas were from that. They were from peru right. They weren't yeah. Yeah the aztecs and the mayans go and so i was already has already been taken like. The inca queen is already left in there waiting for her to come back and deliver them. Okay that's what i'm getting from. This and so neil was a conspiracy guy believed that that the ancient people were guided by alien guided. They taught in the aliens taught them how to build pyramids the to. I couldn't believe that. Yeah it's just. I thought they assisted or no. It's it's either it's either. They helped or they assisted. Well they got those perfect because they were able to observe from the air You know coming. They've been fuck. Listen knows it's neil time time to save this point any episodes of aliens have you watched stoned few. But that's that's what i got from this kind of like. Yeah you know. And then after this is a prequel because then after the gold rush supposedly is the seventies. because he's a song right. Look what mother. Nature mother nature and says. I don't know if it's i don't know if there's that much thought to it like i don't know if it's that linear or i feel like and i want i want it to be but like i like member when people ask them what that song he's like man. I don't know what he'll never give a straight answer. Yeah it from the lyrics. I yeah i get that you know. Their rocket ships came down. Took the inca queen and she says i'll be back. You know when things get bad. Don't the problem with interviewing queen will be bad the problem with interviews. The inca queen t one thousand is again. I know you do. We'll see how long i can go before you interrupt with a buck in queens created by cyber dyne secure self-aware nineteen ninety eight the term hilter. Neil john connor. Gimme your clothes. Bill paxton oh naked. Neil with me come with me if you wanna rock. That's that's great I was gonna say the problem with interviewing neil for what his meaning of of a song was when he wrote. It isn't that he can't tell you the meaning of the song is just don't interview neil. Has there ever been a good neil young interview and we want him on this podcast but it would be horrible. I want to tell it's still come on. Ask televisa poncho also also happy birthday. This is the first you'll park ousted. We say seventy five. Yeah yeah. I don't know if people heard our birthday message to them. They did jacket. Weight and appearance was great. I was pretty prior. You know what i was doing. I was like i'm switching between the two like really fast. This is kinda cool driving. While i was here. The blinkers press eight. So say go ahead. You know what. I'm surprised is not in this song. Is those fucking south american like. Yeah you know the to go. Like the peter pan thing not so much the pan flute. No we should start fear. Podcast even know what that means the samphier. He's the master of the pan flute. Those commercials no okay anyway. Find jackson browne's lives in the ballots. What i got on youtube fucking tear the other day the night rather stayed up way too late was watching videos of the fastest talker guy. You probably know about this. That guy from the federal express guy. Yeah yeah yup. What was his name michael. Yeah michael sarah michael around not meikeljohn mushahid. I think john was. She did the fed. And i was just watching videos for some reason. I just i just went on this rabbit. Hole and san antonio by tuesday and tuesday. Yeah back in detroit and buffalo. Yeah why did you bring that up all right. Because he's a huge. Neil young fan actually go to go to like one one forty. Five one fifty. Oh yeah this song right under really to really make it. I think i would hate that. Sorry just as long by the world's fastest talk to john lewis cheetah junior hassett is probably no no i. That's why i thought it was because you said that guy was the best worlds the fluids naria. No actually little guy. greg. I really fucking hated that sound. It was something that was also omnipresent in the eighties. When someone wanted to sound like they had you know that they were expensive experimenting with world music. They throw in some of that shit or they play it from a synthesizer yeah which sunday even worse. What's his name. Brett midland from the dead. Always use that fucking shit really bothered the fuck outta me but if appeared in this song this would be the worst song on the album. Really yeah because that just pushes it over the edge. I'd it would have been way too cheesy right and then it would have ceased to be good whole music last two songs on this album. Yeah yeah all right. let's get let's head in that direction. Okay yeah missile and bugging rocks. Yeah this is crazy horse bar band. Both love this although again and i hate to keep harping on the trump sound. I had be tighter. It good i know. I agree but everything else. I think the song like ourselves berg. But it's almost stadium rock. But i like like little to no can't get no satisfaction with that rip though. Now that's a good tune now really cola. Yeah we go back. I'm thinking more like dance. Oh you mean they don't do it little bit. But it's it's very neil also reminds me of not exactly like well does sound like mr soul which sounds like back. Yeah that's what i was. Yeah i think the song rocks. No it's great. Yeah this is my. This is my top song. Actually really yeah. I like it every time it comes on. I'm like fits. Harvard kicks ass in the song for sure and then lyrically. I thought he said the tits. Yes yes so did. I was really disappointed when he got the big pick. Jets falls in life. Got the big lips. Trust link then he and then the next one or the one after he's also talks again about a tight dress and girl looking good and it might be. I like when i love horny. Neil like american stars stars and bars. You're looking real good like that like that breakdown and around the world where he's like. Where'd you get that. Oh yeah oh yeah. You're looking real good. Baby horny near like fucking saddle of the palomino. Neil fucking bite. The bullet neil. Isn't that stuff in around the world. yes sa breakdown. All the little innuendos. She got the big lips. She got the tight dress looking for the big tip. Yeah you don't go for less. He's yeah yeah come. You know no seriously. Let's is no. I seriously think like. That's what the big tip means. She's got it all because he's going for the dollars because that's what i think. The song's about it's about. You're losing sight of everything because you're too busy going after matale really. I thought it was a little smell. Sorry luke has ruined really wanted this to be about a cocktail that does neil. Neil brag about you know. I hope the house doesn't go for anything in his post longer in post when you've just found out that that wasn't about the tip of his penis that you put like a little noise or more long sad trombone luque's saddened from the song. Too big tip. I hope it is. I i think songs funded iraq out every time it comes on this. Exactly it's fun. Visit my top three fisher. Yeah it's also sort of green day. Obviously he's way before green day but the start of the song is it reminds me of like some of the early green day stuff a little bit too like they definitely had an influence really. Yeah i don't know. If i hear that i it's definitely like like you said rusted stadium rock. Yeah it's just head banging museum that's a crazy crazy. Horse's really good at that. Yeah and that's why. I need like listen to live rust. Those guys are just bang it out. Yeah hard and doing. I even wrote to the big tip there. Big big tips just smacking against that video. Where he's where. He does day in. The life of. Paul mccartney breaks strings. Smacking it with the tip of his car. it's made out of steel corp fucking flopping it around. I even wrote that. The i'm not a big fan of the drums. But they're better and they're a little better but they think could be tighter. It could be tighter. I wrote that. I'm not the biggest fan but other than that. Yeah but again. I think it's you know. Hopefully it seems like maybe we're we're learning a little bit as we go forward here and especially with the drum sounds hopefully you know. Can you go to the one eighty four. sorry one fifty four four wouldn't be possible And this is so eighties. But i like it. It's the guitar i hear. more van. Halen desk contain go before that the more more fog at actually yeah same bar though. He plays a little more thought. It's very eighties rock guitar. No sound like drive back from zuma. Yeah it's a straight ahead like like no bullshit so like this song. This song into prisoners of rock and roll. I was like this is the most crazy horse. Live rusty sort of vibe. You get out of this album absolutely. I'm brian this song. Especially i'm like. This is very neil fucking time like this to me is off of live roster welfare mother. Yes yeah i agree. Yes i love yes song. It's obviously a fuck you saw been galligaskins' yeah a little bit. Does he throw a little bit. they're slow cheesy. I love that line though. That's why we don't want to be good. I do love that lori. Punk rock well. I think it's a direct shot geffen for saying he's got a good album sauce wanders out. Yeah know he's not released not putting it but he wasn't telling you that you were too loud you're too fucking sin clavier eighties to your to country. Yeah he goes. What i take out my big old don swinging around the moody's and a lot of the songs about a few saws talking to go pretty ladies love the poncho right there. The telling you forty. Neil is that i think so. We don't get a fucking war on neil talks. Show no then clues neil. Don't wanna do this good guitar hero. Yeah definitely. I liked that guitar there to display levels on either. Say we're going to get sued. You know that's just. He got he had to put that on there. Because this is like at the you know the relationship between him and the label's still really bad now even though they had settled. Yeah and he's a prisoner just like the album cover. you know. he's in this contract. You can't get out. I just to me like the reason. This one probably isn't in my top three lyrically. it's just. I love the chorus. But that's the name of the song it's to kiss for me. And i'm not a huge. It is very kiss. You know like christner's of rock stopping things of rock but you know what he's not like we're graduates of raw but it's not like a kiss would say in school great movie kiss would say that gives you like a. It'd be like a metaphor or something. Where he's he's literally. We'll kiss gypsies literally a prisoner of rock and roll. Because he's stuck in con-. I'll piss people off kisses a joke band kiss is a fucking just wrote. Some kiss was icp. Before i c p no. They're not that good is what you mean. 'cause is ep rules right whoop. Alright listen fucking. Kiss sucks okay. He played what do you do. You love me by these. Do like bras some fago here. No i don't gallego man dream fago. Do you love me by kiss on destroyer. Mike has approved that kiss good. I picked the song that luke would hate the most. And that's kind of similar to this one even the top five. Do you love me on my spotify. Jericho best lyrics ever. This is right. This is right up there. Drums are every kiss song by the way. Hate you for listening to it. Love it no can love. Won't love it no no. I don't yeah. This is kind of like that vibe of right do it in this. It's kind of making fun of rock and roll was interviewed. Some of those. Listen listen here. let's let me play. Let me play the beginning of this song over again. Rock and roll hall. Every they're just fucking. They're just selling merchandise. They're doing just because they have kiss aprons doesn't mean they're all about the merchandise. Who is you interview. She's a couple times. Never together okay. Hose jean-louis his an egotistical. He knows he is not the star child star child. You're right doesn't seem like we should. We should talk to the shouted out is see the start the start. He was actually very which one is he. Is he the cat. One mall stanley. He's the one that never wears a shirt. Who's the cat wants. Peter chris. I love the you know this kiss. Any interviewed them okay. Think i'm glad now. Don't even landing on water his fuck you you better not allowed to have in a row undistorted opinions because all your opinions are distorted. That's fine this. I told you it wasn't gonna be a part of the kiss for blessed. Let's gonna cry on landing on water. It was the first three saudis. Doing just put put on the eagles or on next. Yeah i know but it's close enough. Not the eagles man kneels. Cry is a night and a hate the fuck in eagles man. Shoot about nam kiss. Not ironically i love kissed. This sounds sorta just like that kiss on. You're listening to a little faster because same thing in every song is just playing the drums from from mony mony What the fuck sense on. Chicago's with i only know the weird albert alimony. I like the guitar guitar in. This is so crazy. Stars is wild. He's crying yet. Is it like while my guitar gently. Weeds shoe is more like uncontrollable sobbing. Again great strikes actually think it's at the end is actually i really enjoy. Even more twisted. I didn't want anything but just go towards the end and it gets pretty wild. Think you've got a real base. I think so like before this. You mean no. I think it's it's insane literally. It sounds like that sanity. You think about david crosby. Maybe why do you say that. Did you hit the free bird reference. Though of course he was a he has to mention a bird so birds gotta get it in there somewhere. Put a bird on it. Put bird on. That's partly idea that's right. That's neil burn on. It should be as neil neil young province of the real. Whatever on it down down down down down on it. Why do you think this is about crosby. It just sounds like who's going to wake you up to that big surprise who's gonna dry. Your crying is like like all of a sudden. You're you're not a rockstar anymore you're fucking felon and your drug addict and you can. You can't even make music anymore and there's a train in it lights right right on the fast train train on it a bird on the trip. It's a bird it's a train. It's neil look in the sky just fast as lionel train to me. It's just a song about this high as a flying bird bird. He's just chilling on. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Kind of david. They can't all candy. Yeah you're aids. Yes we'll be right back with them via reagan. No yeah you're right cosby got out of jail. He cleaned up and neil went through on his promise. To make a crosby stills nash and young album and they made their greatest album of all time american dream. is it's the landing of crosby stills. Should we do that. We should do that. Out of the blue notes is next. And it's american dream. Yeah we do american. Well are thought we were going to do the cs. Ny stuff separately. That's true we'll do so badly at the we didn't do it the other no so if you think the eighties production is bad landing in water. It's just eleven never heard american injury. You never heard the song. American dream l. i. e. Eight the cover though do it's and that's you can tell. That's when stephen stills starts looking like an idaho potato he does. hey don't just the potato and fucking. I'm sorry mark modest it's on everybody's plate but nobody respects it. Looks like ted team only cover. That's right not looks like kind of a young ted danson kevin bacon me turn and he looks like he. Totally sucks dude. But crosby stills look absolutely ridiculous wreck still does look like in like in crosby's got the whalebone fuck and flow going on man. Looks like a goddamn damn potato down. You still starts to just look. it's ridiculous. his neck. I feel bad about just disappeared. Really fucking soon as is will just be on his chest. Like mr potato stephen still mac still all right. Sorry all right. that's terrible. We should have a god. He's lonely hearts gonna break is no next heart when you this though this should have been on us is about john. He's rocking. Yeah when you talking about. John hugues in that last album choose. That's this to me. This is the scene. This is the break-up seen you know. I've been home and he's crying crying into the mir. Yeah but you know what. The thread went up a picture. The songs in my top three is. Yeah absolutely this is one of neal's finest spoke. He does sing. He does roeber. Part of this is the like two. Oh three luke. It's my favorite part of the song it'll be it'll but then again it's here. Listen to this because he does the repeat i loved. Yeah he does kill any spiel on it right. And it's great but you know what the fuck and drums and then yeah know what those cut. This is where he needed. jack niche. Yeah yeah he needed jack nici to arrange some strings instead of the hit he says this to me has niko bolas written. All over it yeah. It's the same as landing on water. Almost it's it's yeah. It's this is the john hughes part. The john hughes soundtrack song as synthesized. I agree. I liked the guitar. I i agree. I agree you know. Put some strings behind it but bird on a string train on it looked shocked annoys. Noises right ear. Yeah you just spit on me. I think both. I think i got no no shield right here. Sorry i got a big. It's beautiful the vocals. The backing the horse sings great in. Yeah and that's what they you know. They started out as a vocal ban. So that's why the harmonies always great with crazy. And it's got so much soul to it. The synthesizer brand the drums. I completely agree. I actually do like the song. It's just in the same way. That landing on water has some good songs on it. I can't get past roy auction and same with this. That's why it didn't make my top to me. Because i like it and the guitar is awesome. Yeah but that production. Man i agree. It's yeah you're right. The vocalists can keeps me going to one of his best best performances and the backing vocals are great. It's a soul song. Know it's like he's poor. He's you can tell he's into it. Yeah vocally. it's he sings well but i. I don't know this song is kind of that's to me is the next one is just like the next one done. You should end it. I don't like this. Let me tell you why twin peaks way. But it's not even it's like even this is like this is another romance song like. What's the what's those fucking as movies. I used to here tonight on the hallmark channel. A very special presentation. Not without my mypillow starring valerie bertinelli and harry hamlin the weird shit. He does in this. Yeah it's like eighties horror movie. You know what i mean. You only hear that in or even like are you afraid of the dark rusty. You know what i'm talking about. Yeah i do know your where is it in the song. It's it's it's not far. But yeah you were saying to like that's with this is that fucking but The lifetime network says nearly in a very special performance. Oh with markie post. So when i when i i like figured out how to actually use the internet when it first came out and i was like trying to find all the porn i could get up like a horny. Evangelical especially on. This album tip gets hard It's a big one. And i came across the manuel movies with krista allen. Oh my god dude. I would watch those through scrambled early cable. Yeah those were fucking amazing here this but this but this book reminds me of that. Then i mean that right. That movie's star softcore totally. But these like. Oh that's that fucking food. You almost no. This is a cintas version of that. Well yeah. I was talking about that right. Go back a little. That's that's almost the same thing. Yeah that's from like noah's vocal. That's from every non-mainstream eighties harm like it's that noise and it scares the shit outta me. That kind of like sound effect. Probably why you didn't like the new twin feeling. That's that should is all over killer clowns from outer space that like probably because that i know what you're talking about. It's it's this it's a it's it's it's like a almost a a a choir on keyboard. Yeah press when you press the right. Yeah well this is the jack nici song. Yeah and there wasn't recorded for this album. It was recorded for a movie. Called maiden heaven saw that timothy hutton. Take like ella. Allen was made in heaven she is heaven kirsty. I mean you're thirsty. Alien boobs a big. I mean i wanna squeeze are big. Birds are big. I mean but but of goddamn it. The reason why it's on this alvord chivalry left. He wrote it finally got him ten. He wrote threes. Neil neil liar liar or or trying to get through this two hours yet geez. Sorry we're we're starting to get through the zuber quick. Where almost making a train. The reason why it's on this album is because he wrote it for the soundtrack for that movie and the movie studio said and so they they they did they. You ever heard the ban the motels now. A couple of big hits in the eighties and the singer. Martha davis redid the vocals for the movie. Soundtrack neil still got paid but they didn't like his version so it ended up here on this album. It makes sense. Yeah yeah. I'm glad to be done with this album. It was fine. It was a step in the right direction. I think that's the best way. I heard anyone put it and it's i'm glad to be. It's it's a lot more human than yes landing on water which sounded like total more human than a highway. Stop all right. let's hit our top threes. let's get the hell out of here. Spry shortest episode. It's on track to be if we can parts totally an agreement. The should be your spo. Shorter's episode it is. I mean we stretched it by. You know being ridiculous talk about ourselves. God it irrelevant. Talk for me to get through. Sorry i'll go first. My top three. My three is inca queen my to is you know after this. After we've talked. I'm going to change my two long walk home and my one is going to be too lonely out. Number one is to lonely. Yeah it's my that's my it was. It was a long walk home. But i think the fucking shotgun sounds take me out of it to only. I'm i'm still on the fence because of the fuck in ricochet shotgun bullshit in long walk home but the harmonicas soul refer that that'd be great and the fact that so i was because of that i almost took it. Oughta my top three because of the way that the production stuff ruins it. But i i am going to make it my three. So it'll be. It would be that and then to inca queen and one is to only thank but i maybe would have put prisoners over iraq. That was a weird taste many. Jeez don't even know what they burn up off. It was like there was an inner jacket voice in me. You'll be haute reed helped me. I for to screw walk. Enroll when you play it queen backwards on a record of you. Salman fucking demon jackets demon jackets. Humans go ahead anyway. I was gonna oh sorry. I didn't finish my point. Maybe prisoners of rock would have been my. I don't know. I think it's fun boy but that are around the world. Also think it's fun so well prisoners iraq and rolls. My number three would have been. I just think it's a great plug. Fuck you song. And it's got a little attitude rocks. My number two is around the world despite making this really shitty rank. That almost made me puke. I actually really enjoy that song like this. i think. Yeah but what. He's trying to do with synthesizers and mixing that with regular instruments. I think it comes together here. I like it pretty well. Yeah my opinion and my number one is when your lonely heart breaks. Wow i swear to god those vocals all right man even with the shitty synthesizer and the fuck insurer produce drums the vocals alone would elect to hurt. And i look for this. I would have liked to hurt him. Do version that with booker. T and the m geez. Okay that would have been fucking awesome and maybe some horns you know like a booby notes back in there and do some horns we get back. We didn't talk about this. But what did you guys think of the his version of wondering although the one that just released. Yeah i like it a lot better than the one. Where is it on the archives. i did. Yeah yeah there's two versions riley. I think there's two versions. He released the very similar to be on par to or is it just on the app. No it's going to be on the archives volume. You'll i think you'll like a lot. I actually. I already liked also more than i. I didn't like oh my favorites off that albums. And have you heard bob. Young's hey america of course we have. Yeah if bill belichick wrote and performed. That's what it would sound like. Sorry neil brady. I don't care if you're in tampa on the buffalo america. We're going to win it again but hey give the guy break. It's his first time doing this. No it is seventy eight years old. He decided seventy all the power to a man who wants to start doing it. Fuck yeah well. At least he's got a brother that can help them. So what's your cut songs minds. We never danced really. We all agree. It's it's creepy. It's creepy to me creepy songs. It's schlock yeah that's gross. It's like there is a timothy hutton. Neil young connection somehow 'cause the in that movie his version of the song make it in but they have three buffalo springfield songs. They've i'm a child And they have the other two are and then you know that movie iceman. He did know. But the caveman. They the pro magnum and they found frozen in the ice is. Yeah this is the non comedy rush. Dammit he sings timothy. Hutton sings heart of gold ways. Joe os and so. I think he's like i didn't have a chance to look at the other soundtracks. Neil young thing paulie neil. Now the jet birdie can watch never making these drinks again all right. Let's get the fuck outta here for listening. Along young everyone loses a five star review on. I will read it and were members of the on fudge still surprisingly almost out of the eighties. I know it only gets better from here. This notes for you next year and I don't know where we might get a little more sporadic during the holidays but probably not. I don't know we'll figure it out. We'll have some shit ana thanks for. Listen oh we're gonna have murchison. When are we really we are. We are going to have march in the very near future. So all right thanks. Thanks for listening.

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"Previously on the Tony Kornheiser show. But I would say this when you looked at that game that you had a brand new respect for the walkie and for onto Trump who looks like the league right now. He does he can dribble the ball. He can shoot. Okay. But he go when he goes to the basket, he his right arm is a forty nine. Dunks from. Right. Chris. Unbelievable. The lane. What? Tony Kornheiser show is on now. He's only been in the league five years, and I just got to see the other night. So I was astonished everybody else looks at me like he's been doing this for a while. We're live at chatter at the corner of Jennifer street northwest, and Wisconsin avenue northwest in friendship heights. This Veterans Day, we salute all of the veterans, we salute anybody ever served in anybody who's been great for like, I am that other people serve this country. We want to say first of all happy birthday to Brandon to George to Adam and to tire Isa's birthday was yesterday. But this is a big crowd too. Thank you sold out. Gary Braun is here crystallises here. Michael Kornheiser Nigel run the board. Do the news produced the show. We have Monday night football here tonight. They'll hardly. Raw giants and forty Niners. But we have Veterans Day specials. Yes. I'm told we have all of those. And so we hope that people will come in tomorrow. We have trivia I will get today. Double breakfast day by one breakfast at the same one the exact same pri-. Yes. Yes. Double deal. This is a pretty good deal. I I guess I realized that today was a holiday when I got up to walk the dog. And there was nobody. It was. It was nothing going on. I let us start and this is going to sound very local. I don't want it to sound local. But I actually think it's newsworthy. The Washington Redskins who have been a terrible team for a long time. They're going to win the NFC east. It is almost unavoidable. They are now six and three they play the game yesterday against Tampa Bay in which in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was never Ryan Fitzpatrick of this magic he gained four hundred six yards passing. The most of anybody in the league and never punched it in. They were in the red zone. Five times. Anderson punched it in. They got three points three points resin. They had three turnovers and a missed field goal in the red zone. They stink. And I remember saying this two weeks ago that the rest of the Redskins schedule wasn't much at all. And then they went and lost lost badly to but Tampa Bay stinks. They're not a good team. And the reason the Redskins are. Going to win is because the Cowboys and this was amazing. The Cowboys in Philadelphia beat the eagles yesterday. The it is now I think fair to say after more than half the games the season that the eagles Super Bowl hangover is not going away not going. Well, the Cowboys are right. Cowboys are bad. The Cowboys are four and five deals of foreign five. The giants are horrific. The giants one in seven and the Redskins and not- nobody sitting here at this table things. That's a good team. And they're six and three. They're going to be good to win. Have to have the best record in the division. Now, the thing that would scare me as the eagles still have five divisional games, including two against the Reggie. And look like they were digital last night. And all that that act that result to me last night was probably the most surpr- more surprise New England in the Redskins. To give you New England. But I really thought in buffalo buffalo. Yes. Forty one on the Jaffa scored one hundred points all year. Well, it was the reverse Peterman effect the didn't play reverse Peterman. Cust- they took Matt Barkley literally off Wisconsin avenue quarterbacks. I would say it was playing the decaying carcass of Josh mccown, right? So yeah, the. I've been pushing back all years you've said the Redskins are gonna win the division just doing that sort of wilpon emotional. Hedge thing. Yesterday. Was that was that was an impressive defensive outing. And that's how they're going to have to win because they're all fence just can't it with this patchwork offensive line and no targets out. Why they can't score. I saw something. No one in that division can score. I saw something on sports center this morning. And then I found a maze. Ing we think of the National Football League as if you've got the best quarterback. And he gets the most touchdown passes. You're going to win Alex Smith in three victories this year, including yesterday has passed for grand total of one hundred seventy eight yards high school kids do that all the time. No, an average she had grand total. Yeah. Navarine hundred three times on the number. Three times on the number number. They've won for less five. And I believe in the four winds. He is thrown for under two hundred every game in the one loss. I know last week over now again, they're thrown anybody be critical of him. If this delivers Vig never turns it over fantasy football culture is why. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, he never turns winning Kirk cousins was never six three here. Seven total giveaways. I mean, it some it's very low. You know, they just never turned it over formula to Christmas point is pretty basic. I mean, they they're among the league leaders with plus eleven turnover ratio. That's very good in this league. He threw his Alex Smith through his first second half touchdown of the season. He now has one touchdown in the second half. And again now through nine games. Redskins remain the only team in the NFL. No leachate during their games. There's been a single league. If they start out a win, right? This. Of course, second Lewis, right? Yeah. They have given it away seven times. Mazing Michael's position is it's going to be a repeat of the playoffs from four years ago with Green Bay and they're going to host and see north down have your friend Kirk cousins. Interesting. That becomes a national store is like one and done appearance that which are defined takes be home at Maryland. He hurt for the year. Just for now. Gary, do you know dig six he was out yesterday and not a season socialite walking? But that was David Crone walking it might be appropriate out in here. Definitely there is another interesting. I mentioned a whiz like one and done. And and Josh Norman with John wall light. Show. We're going to devote some time to that. Let me go through some of the other things in the NFL. That were surprising, and I've mentioned them, but haven't gone into them in any detail. Tennessee dominated New England never close pulled Brady out early in the fourth quarter. If not at the top of the fourth quarter. This is Mike Rabl who played many years for the New England Patriots. And he's got a lot of as I said, the socialite and David Crone Walken almost like yawns the place. My great books like is is a guy who played for Bella check for a long time. Was exceptionally good player. He's got he's got Dion Lewis. He's got plan and cooks on the he's got a lot of ex patriots. And they win that game. That's very surprised to attack that. They were up quick early right away apparently Dion Lewis revenge game till still little bit upset about having to leave the patriots. I mean, that's cheap on the way out. That's Bella checks move, though, how could you not know going in? That's the thing. He does trades. Everybody gets rid of a buffalo beats the jets you scoffed at this. But buffalo hangs forty one points of the jets are terrible. Even with even with darnold is no better than MC noun Macapa. They're all the same McMahon's mccown. Yeah. And darnold is no better than them. Jets were terrible. Terrible team. The Rams that was a good game. The Rams and the Seahawks. That was a very good game. The Rams come back from losing Cincinnati. Cincinnati. You know, you want to say that that that new I'm sorry, New Orleans. You wanna say that Worley can only win in the dome. They went outdoors into much colder weather than they are used to. And they killed Cincinnati. Cincinnati had a winning record after eight or nine killed thirty five seven at half. They can kill on the I could have scored more than the fifty one. They did because saints look good and the chiefs in one other game. I want to mention they don't waste a lot of energy. They subdue Arezzo and it's comfortably done though. They did not fish number. Right. This sets up if you think this Monday night's game tonight is terrible. And it is it has no particular draw these are one win teams. But next week in Mexico City of all city, you have Kansas City and the Rams, and these I think by anybody's reckoning Kansas City in the Rams and at this point the saints. Yeah, they look. Like the best three teams. Right. They look like they stand contending for consideration wingham falls back a little bit. But I mean at the beginning of the year after three games, I would've told you Jacksonville was the. And this weekend. If I were Rams fan the last two results would concern me. I mean, you you don't typically playoffs giving up a lot of a lot of point. Which is what which is what has been impressive about New Orleans. They shut the Rams down for a half, which is better than anyone has done. And then yesterday granted they were without AJ green. But shutdown of Cincinnati team had been pretty good, at instance anatomy, but it's hard to trust that defensible. These are defenses that you don't trust. Whereas with Kansas City, you say, you know, what that's a pretty good defense. That's pretty good defense. And they got this kid who can throw it a hundred miles in the air. Did you see? There was a the chiefs tweeted out of video of Mahomes in his pre game warm up throwing it into the heartlessly appears to throw it. Eighty stadium on those seventy five yards. Ling's it and it goes seventy five yards. Yeah. He tremendous kid. He's fun to watch. Yeah. Sure. He's fun to watch. We tell you. I would tell you that the Rams and the saints are great, Cheryl. Absolutely. You know, the it is hard to get a real good handle on this season. Because the teams that we are talking about now particularly the saints and the chiefs who make the playoffs a lot. They don't win. Right. They go out early. The Rams have not made the playoffs a lot in. Which is why I think if you are I agree that the top three teams are the teams you listed and maybe Pittsburgh over New England. But I just given track records. I I still think the patriots. I mean, I just don't I have no reason to if Sony Michelle gets healthy in the playoffs. Their track record is proven games. Not a game. They had to if that was the game that everybody in his right mind. Gave the points to New England didn't care because they were going to take tennis. You had to pick a team to go into Kansas City and win in the playoffs. Which is what someone in the FCC apparently is going to have to do. Pittsburgh. Yeah. No. Well, I was gonna say. Can go somewhere has to play Pittsburgh in a few weeks. So that should be the way with respect to the saints. Now, they're reporting in the wake of the desk. Bryant thing which was going Brandon Marshall don't get it. Michael Floyd is good enough for. Thomas is better than both. I don't Michael Floyd is not better than both of them. No Redskin Michael Floyd. Michael Thomas two touchdowns again yesterday. There was I took a note mean I wrote it somewhere and now I can't find it. Of course, I've got it was the nature of it. Three hundred thirty four yards and five touchdowns for Ingram. Thomas and Camara. Yeah. That's they are hard to defend and they are hard to defend because breeze is the most accurate passer of anybody out there ju- breeze. Did you see when he when he scored the touchdown jumped over the line and put the ball out. And then brought the ball bat. Kind of. I would not I would not let him do that of somebody gets shot his head. He's I I would not have full that plan. I mean, let's just celebrate his office burger he's five foot ladder. Here's Reza's line. Twenty two twenty five to sixty five three touchdowns. One fifty passer rating. Mark Ingram thirteen Russia's for one. Oh, four average of eight effort. They didn't. Whatever they want. So we'll take a break when we come back. Michael wilbon, we think will join us. I actually go techs Wilburn thing. He can't full minutes ago saying I'll be at chatter in ten minutes. Wow. He'll be here here. Why? How the monkey crowded chatter? This on-site ankle will does he know that we don't serve chilly in the morning. We could probably make an exception for him. Could. I know there's nobody in there can cook chilly in the morning tone. I have a little whispering. So is it a morning show? Maybe it was a March madness show. We were doing remember he was so angry. And one of the. Seen another owner in here. And I could ask the other owner the socialites go back and cooked chilling. Yeah. I don't know if that's the case. Well, we'll say, well, it's so great tells his radio something crank out the Obamas. Never welling on ten hour. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. 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You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Say. This is sent to us by will hill, a buddy of mine in the Navid listener, Evan Samuels. Demanded I send you guys some tracks. Just wanted to these long from our latest album were based out of Maryland. We've been added about twelve years now actually used to play a bit in the village back in the day and other places around New York City, anyway, hope you like white boy reggae this is called walk away. At this is pretty good reggae, Scott. Good. So Michael wilbon is here he joins us now. And also here with us. This is very exciting for me. And I'm sure for bond as well will Fleming who when we do the Binghamton northwestern game by game. I mean, the trouncing of Binghamton by northwestern will is going to do play by play. And will is your local just just get on a microphone for a second. So your family. Here's you, you know, yes, they're from Alexandria Virginia. And so you growing up probably read us a little bit in the post before we did this television Stuttle, I was more of a Washington Times. Leader. Tom, not not guy. Oh, you know, all these. Yeah. That's great. To know. That's great to know. And you now do play by play all around the country around the country. My summer gig is the Red Sox AAA team. The Red Sox win Josh Mauer PTI intern deed, and I do all over the country. So are we on ESPN station that you can get in this country SPN twenty seven that's what I'm thinking. I think it's ESPN news on Friday nights, seven o'clock. So here's somebody kiss. What I said to him. You call you just call the game. And then get out of the way. I felt we could do that. Don't you think? No, no. What are you talking about? Like, this is we don't we don't do this. We don't know what we're doing. What you do? You don't even know anybody's name on the team. I don't know other man. I don't know what I don't know anybody on the team dynamite. I plan to say the names and get out of the way. Now, Mike doesn't know this might not remember it when I was a senior at Stanford in two thousand one God another fancy expensive. Cheer. He was actually covering Maryland a year before they won the national championship. And he came out to Anaheim for the regional final. And I asked Michael to come on with me at half time. It was a an afternoon game. And the deadline was coming up close on me said, I probably can't do it. And then five minutes later, he came back and said forget it I'll come on with you. And jamie. And it was fantastic. And it for for college senior to have Mike had read as a kid come on. That was tremendous. That's wonderful. Did you remember this? Yes, I do. I remember the afternoon game. I remember Gary. I remember they went to the west couple of times more than once. Gary love the Anaheim. There was a there was Anaheim regional there was there was several trips to the west that I was with Maryland covering already reached your I don't leave the house days. Yeah. I know. But I'm going with you. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. And we look forward to we're gonna have fun. Thank you will is large. He's a big. Finisher forward two four six seven. We'll we'll wait hold on. Yeah. I was. Skewed. We'll on is taking the Red Eye back. We'll has had a great great weekend. Northwestern won at northwestern. Explain this to to me and to everyone else. Northwestern loses losing angry to Michigan losing to Notre Dame. It's explicable Akron Akron do. Well. The our quarterback. Tony head niece had reconstructive knee surgery Clayton Thorson who was on in NFL draft boards. Right. He goes into the bowl game on a trick. Tom Brady, play tears us knee up in December January first. Okay. So you don't even think the kid can play in September. That's nine months. He does play. And we did the right thing by him. As far as I'm concerned, not being one of the football factory. We did right thing by the we split his plate. We held him out. So you're not doing this. You're not you're not ready for this. We're not doing it. And I was. Proud of the got do that coaching athletic director said no and the alternated his time. But it was clear he needed to actually be out there, and we had to live with it. And we had to just live with him playing his way through this reconstructive knee surgery, eight and a half months earlier. Right. And in the meantime, we you know, he he threw like to pick six as they had a fumble six in a game against Akron, which were up like something like twenty four three. I think it was twenty four three. And you know, what do you do? You got a senior quarterback who stayed didn't go to the NFL waking probably couldn't have then. But he was going to say I think he's going to stay anyway. And so we p play his way through it. And he got through it. And by the time we get to the big ten season. We already lost Duke in Akron, and although we somehow beat producing the opener. He was perfect. You beat Prodan Radu which beat Ohio, and he was which was ranked you beat Michigan state of rains. We can handle it don't put us in a non conference game. The so our record in the big ten. Last two years. Now, we have won thirteen of fourteen with the one loss being a seventeen nothing lead of Michigan. Otherwise, it's fourteen straight. And you you are ranked as I predicted will yesterday. Twenty two or twenty three good somewhere there. You're not ranked in the coaches poll, we get a win this this. We're gonna be hard. We got two games. That are listen. What do we have no margin for error? We now have our fort our entire defensive secondaries hurt who you. Game. We play at Minnesota though, too at home is like foreign one or five and on the road dreadful, but they're not on the road there at home and they're playing four spot in a bowl game. Like, I think Minnesota's five and five you have a chance if you have you won your side. Yes, we've already one. So you will play the winner of Michigan Ohio state December one in Indianapolis for the first time ever we're in that game. The big ten championship game. We've never been in it. Cool. Never are you suggesting to me that if you lose to Minnesota, you could actually conceivably end the season six and six and having to lose to Minnesota an Illinois at home. I don't think that's gone, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois, though, if they win this week against Iowa Illinois would come into that game play four spot in the bowl. So maybe love his job to teams out there that you look at and go these teams good they got stuff to play for and technically. I mean, if you look at it, depend on you look at it. We're already in. We're already in the big ten championship game. This is a great you're going to get a New Year's day bowl, not necessarily Tony. Because if we were to lose, I don't know how this goes. Let me tell you what I'm not even Shammy six and six we're not going to be news. I I'm not even certain of what the conferences obligation is to the loser of the big ten championship. Now, I'd rather play Michigan. I've seen us out play Michigan for fifty nine minutes. Right. They had to lead one time game. But they've gotten better they've gotten better. They've got they've gotten better. But I'm just saying I'd rather play Michigan. I don't wanna play house Tate. But, but, but you know, what the likely scenario? I mean is we're going to eight and four I guess eight and four and then, but if we lose that game the big ticket where eight and five what's the what's the big ten's obligation to its runner up. I'm saying if I can figure nobody seems to know that so you think you could end up not in a New Year's day bowl. I don't think we necessarily will. But I don't care about that. I wanna play in the west we got other obligations. Sybase? Also saw the bears win again. Yeah. And Mitchell Trubisky looks good you railed. No. I didn't. Yes. Gets Ryan pace. You said get this guy out to trade up to get in. And he thought he stunk the first yes, and he got three touchdowns passing one touchdown running as far as your division the last six games. Mitch Trubisky been great and one of the two of those games. He seemed to understand as young as he is. I got a defense over there. And I don't have to. I don't have to throw for bunch of yards. We're gonna hand the ball off. And it seemed like he just had a a lot of common sense. And I'd be happy tweeted out yesterday tweeted out, you know, so pose Ryan pace just thought deeply about this and traded up to get a guy like Mitch. You that's a shot at myself, which I have no problem taking you railed against Bisky rail, not really eighty you. Did you really rail Nagy for very specific things which any sports writer worth his salt? Would do right. I railed against him for going George Halas against Green Bay Packers a loss passing and against the Miami. Dolphins a loss those two losses. That should have been wins to the bears should be seven. What is eight and one Bishopsgate in Iraq the loss. We lost three games by eleven points. And one of those by the full seven to Tom Brady. It was special teams kill the team by giving up a ninety five yard kick return any blunt of blocked putt return. That's right. So the bears beat Tom Brady. They outscore Tom Brady. They just the special teams. You can't have that. And so they blew that. But that's all right. Listen this team is we had to wear I thought it would be this year. I think most teams, you know, they'll probably want to play the Redskins in the playoffs. How about the rescuers are going to win their division? They're two games up in their divisions. Going to wins two games. Does. Did you watch last night? I DAL neither one of those teams any good. The Redskins are good. But they're two games ahead. Yeah. And they're not any good. But they're going to they're going. They're going to get. I think they're gonna make the playoffs. Yes. Now. What hurts the risk is a little bit helps them as be Green Bay head to head. But but the bears Vikings Green Bay all three of those teams could make the plant. You think that Green Bay will make the playoffs really four four and one right there. I think they're at Seattle. The Packers will want five and six and got to the Super Bowl. I've seen this movie. You don't pay attention to the Packers every day. I do. Right. You do. So the the Packers to me are the Cowboys to you people here. Packers aren't out of it till they've been eliminated. That's right. I mean that you know, they got the the Packers have another game against the bears. They got at least a game against the Vikings. I think they're finished. It might be finished with Troy, but they got. They got games that they can they can still control their own situation you, but you've got to concede that you are massively surprised at the bare season. Yes, he is when everybody sort of got on board to trade for Khalil Mack. Yeah. And how's that work enough for Oakland? Jon Gruden genius. I don't know. Who's worse? The giants of the raiders, I'm not sure who's worse. But let me just say this. Tony everybody on the day. The Camille Khalil Mack gets. There you go. My god. This could be different because the people in the locker room are in awe of him. It's like playing with Eddie Murray. You know, how like Adrian Peterson come into the Redskins here reports of the same stuff seems. So this is not. Seven accidents. So Matt comes look they sat back down for two games because he had a bad ankle. And this was smart. Even though he wanted to play MAC comes in yesterday off the street to sex to tackles for losses. The guy is Annette to mentioned you look at the double teams on him and guys guys wearing ninety numbers. Are you kidding me? You're gonna give me a straight line to him to put three guys on fifty two. And the answer's yes. So it changed the dynamic and look Ryan pace gets just like Jon Gruden gets attacked justifiably for getting rid of that guy. The GM of the bears gets to credit for changing the entire culture of the place with that move. So there's a story that probably doesn't become a big deal because it's an NFL Monday. But to me Butler got traded. Yeah. And Jimmy Butler got traded. And when when we spoke about this over the phone, you said a that Minnesota got more than you thought. Yeah. And I said this is the end of Marquel. Foltz in Philadelphia. Because I j Rettig out there, but they invested the look people. I'm just talking about as Dr as organization, they don't like to admit their mistakes, especially this this organization and has gone through process. And they spit the only time they didn't spend going through the process this telling you, how great you should think the process is you think they're gonna give up a Mark kills. No. They're not just mean, you can't keep you cannot have to starting guards. Now who won't take shots beyond ten fear? Sing executives don't do stupid arrogant. But I'm saying if you now have Jimmy Butler who gives you both ways the core. Yes. And you now have to put JJ Riddick out there. You have to do that. Well, Ben Simmons will not shoot ten and if you put Rettig and Butler out there, I mean green room for people by having JJ Rettig on the court. You're not doing that. By having Markelle Fultz on the court again. This would not be the first time executives have done some stupid. That that's the right move. The right move. I don't believe is this move. They will make Tony. The process is taken like seven years is take. It's a lot of losing got a lot of losing his lot of Eric. And the guy's a lot of getting rid of people that they drafted after two or three years. They slipped them out the door and train them to Canada. They've Cantu genie's sick in a long time. So so will their air against get in the way of making this move. I don't know maybe they'll have to get to the point where they're five hundred like after Christmas with these three guys they should not be at five hundred after Christmas. Jimmy Butler is the only player in the NBA today who has a significant number games. I don't know what the exact numbers eight. Lebron was he sixteen and fifteen it gets LeBron James and regular season games. He's well, they now have three of the best fifteen twenty and twenty Simmons and Butler's wondering me through the best, you know. Yeah. I mean, those guys would Simmons is probably the weak link of the threat. In that. But the two are probably in the top twelve to fifteen m beat has made a big leap this. All right. So we'll get outta here. We have news when we return. I'm Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser show. This is spy will Salisbury contributing writer for our city media, which means he's gotta be in Saint Louis, and he's the front man for a group called money for guns. This tune is called the land of wolves. And the latest record is called a subterranean sessions. Maybe that's plug. I've ever sung and the best settler I've written fifteen years of bending songs. But that is not the point of the Email. Please explain how I am to respond to the below Leto letter from the offices of abbey Lowell. I write you on behalf of my client Buzi shine box. Kornheiser, oh, you ought to see Saul sales of counterfeit. You know, who my grandfather is go tell my dad shirks mmediately failure to do. 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So all of the zero loss teams continued to win yellow Bama and Clemson and Notre Dame and UCF they continue to win all of the one loss teams continued to win uneventful missions, West Virginia. One Ohio State one Washington state one Georgia one Oklahoma survived against the home mistake. Crazy. I mean, I think I like Mike Gundy, I mean, I like is man some haircut. I yeah. He does. He's got a great haircut. His day the press conference about Twitter. He went to and you should try to win. Yeah. I mean, you're not you're not gonna go to a major bowl, if you're Oklahoma state of Oklahoma. It's a big delay. Didn't do it. They didn't do it. But that was college football remains fun in that regard, Alabama shut out another two hours. Gonna so Jeff Ma Jeff menteur the twenty four and push and push and push. It was twenty four nothing. Mississippi State could not score a point Alabama has now shut out two ranked teams in a row that which has never been done by Alabama. I don't know how many people have done that to ranked teams in a row you look at Alabama. But the drama is to a win out to a went out with significant appear to be significant need pro something's wrong with his knee. That was that was the problem against LSU. And and he had had a problem before that. So it's I mean, this is not new got a month and a half. Fix it though. It just don't play them. Will you gotta play him in the championship? Tween that. I mean, you won't have a game. Well, you have Auburn. I guess they're not that good this year or. I mean, remember Jalen hurts twenties. Not but he's not available. Other kid, right? That's right. A kid who could have been delivering your newspaper. He's probably still good enough. They don't score any other team kits point scores zero seven check to any defense. Did you wanna talk about Louisville falling to eight nothing? Okay. No. I wanna talk about that later. All right. Let's we'll talk about the Duke freshman. Yes. Do the Duke basketball team, which looked so terrific. So terrific against Kentucky played army and only one by twenty some odd points, but the combination of their top three freshman had seventy five eighty three against seventy five points. The rest of the team only got nineteen. They had seventy five points seventy five. What else you got elsewhere in college basketball, the way we lost Binghamton that was the school? Yes, we the what is NJIT. I'm. Can you lose to them their trade school and Jit sairy four fifty seven the final believe that was also in the doctor by Lee court so in two at home now. So that's where they didn't lose to spire though. That's true. They did they lose two spires. The question that's fair and some interesting developments with lamentable bowl. Because now some of the prep powerhouses that he would allegedly be playing against don't wanna play his school that he's enrolled into spire academy in Geneva, Ohio. This is the people that are now turning down the people that are now it's like take your money. The to play lamelo ball that let they're saying. And they are perfectly justified in turning down the opportunity to play lamelo ball because they're afraid of his Noah eligibility whatsoever. Mean played in the pro league. And they're saying it doesn't really matter that he did not get paid. By the way, we know he got paid. We have no idea we have no idea. But when you are a basketball academy, right? Tell me your real school. You're a basketball academy that offers courses in something to make sure that their players are eligible when you turn down another one of these bandit outfits because you're afraid that the carryover affect will tarnish as if you are somehow not tarnish to raise this grandstand Jonah chain magnet. School in these schools are not no academic. This is not saying nation. Correct. It is not. It's not what crazy rich kids school. Did you go to Louis Chafee? Mistake in retrospect stores title. Here's the thing is look at white lamelo, and he can't pull it out. That father has done whatever he has done. But I can't imagine this kid can be what what is the broad understanding of talent is doesn't go Lonzo. Liangelo lamelo is almost lamelo the third one. No, no, he's he's the better. He's better than Lonzo. The kid. He's a kid. He's better than the second. Which is Angela. I don't know if he's better than Lonzo. Well, lavar ball is better than Michael Jordan, one on ones to consider that. Where's where's? Whereas in Frago. They're not meant today. Wouldn't it be great? If one of the Marx brothers was frayed that would be great Warley enter what else. What else some other NFL the Jaguars can continue to employees? They are. So Jeff Ma Jeff marr could've won that game. Jeff Ma had Jacksonville plus two and a half Jacksonville is down three and driving. They are totally within field goal range. So that's at least going to go to OT if they don't get a touchdown and win and Jeff MAs going non this. He's going to win if they get a touchdown. But he's going to have a chance to win even if they don't and they call fumble on a pass, which initially and that call was reversed initially was called me down ball in. But when you looked at it, I still thought it was neat downball in. But all the former referees said me down ball out. Well, coming out. So they lose the ball. And they lose the game. Jeff Ma by the way, got lucky on another one. And that was the Arizona game. Arizona is favor. By sixteen and a half city. Kansas city. I'm the gift sixteen and a half. That's right. It's a very comfortable twelve with almost no time to go. And Josh Rosen is just trying to throw it down the field whenever he can as fate would have it on his on a fourth down play. He gets picked and all of a sudden on the top of your screen open fee. Run out about on God, Jeff Ma you're going. No thinking. Gets pushed out of bounds at what the ten. I mean. It's very close. He gets pushed out, and then they and then of course, they take a knee. Because that's that's actually what you do. Not like the kid who went for fifty in the NBA in the last second try to throw a three in actually in football when you can take in the right? You do take that was the problem with New Orleans at one point they couldn't they had to keep scoring 'cause they have the ball at the one and you're in the third quarter. And they're only up by four. This highlights the problem of gambling on sports, which is that in any normal world, Kansas City, run jams. I mean, you can't believe so because it's you can't predict stuff like that that it would like the greatest announcers of all time are Brent Musburger. Now, mike. Given point. I'll always knows every knows exactly when you crack the over. There's a back door cover that Allan. Brent right now is making Brent's in Vegas. Yes. That's only because as soon as that's caught up, and that just made some people in this country does very happy and very angry very nicely. But they know all the numbers are in their heads. We will we will take a break. Oh, do you know when the story? Oh, do you know when the story about the man with the bear men in the bears? Yeah. We'll take you to North Carolina with sunny. Mum Frey was just wondering out his house Tuesday afternoon into his driveway. When he discovered three bears in his yawn and to be mother and two cubs. But while the Goldilocks, they're greedy may leading the mother and two cubs. Don't get out of the way the cubs cubs. High Taylor out of dodge were Anthony rezone Kris Bryant writing the mother says oh, you wanna dance? So she starts to make as he says as pump free says she made a charging dead run at me that sucker was able to eyeball to me. And then as the bear began to strike Puffer said reflexes just took over and he said I hit a punch and I hit her dead right on the point of the nose Bush shots. Down goes Frazier with down. But then it started to bite him in the hip, but it continued to punch the bear in the face one. The wife comes out with the dog the dogs, don't sparking the wife start screaming the band's bit distracted and pulls back and swats him with her paw. Knock some eight feet in the air. And at that point, the best said, I think I win this fight and then fled into domain to impugn this fine, man. But I find it very hard to believe he punched a bear in the face and took it to a knee. He weakened the bear. I'll say I saw the revenue. You got old guy when we return on Tony Kornheiser? You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. This is the policy genius life insurance isn't the most enjoyable thing to think about most people don't like thinking about dying. I dunno some do. 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You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Okay. Radio for the day. This is a low, Mr. soul. This is the buffalo Springfield. And we are playing this in recognition of Neil young celebrating his seventy third birthday today. Neil young in the area of critical commentary, not never my favorite person. But I loved the buffalo Springfield. Yes. Stephen stills and Neil young and others Neil Young's, dead hockey writer. Yes, sports rights, and I didn't okay right in and out in Manitoba. Winnipeg Winnipeg maybe Winnipeg yet have to check that. So Neil Young's. Got it care about sports a little bit chance fan. Winnipeg jets. This song is actually written about MAURICE Rashad now, no actually salon. This was written by young after experience an epileptic attack after an early show with buffalo Springfield in San Francisco. Many the people need thought it was the act. It wasn't. He had to go to the hospital and while he was in the recovery room. He wrote this song ten minutes. Ten minutes with fame. Yes. All. All right songs in ten minutes. So those nice to see wilbon it was so energy for chemistry bringing it for people who don't know this again, we're we'll Fleming is here and he's going to do the play by play on the Binghamton northwestern game. So before we'll left on talking about all the mad skills that the players on north western Larry Nassar's son is on the team. Yes. Not learning. It's junior learners, bro. Second command, right? Correct. This is look north. Western is a big ten basketball team power five conference basketball team Binghamton is in the America east. We have had some small success in the not we Binghamton the America east has had some small success including UNBC last year. Right beating junior probably the greatest upset of all time. But you notice I didn't say Binghamton beating Virginia. Right. I said you NBC beating Virginia you can't handle Vermont. We didn't know we. Can't we can't we are picked this year in a nine team league. We're picked for seventh in a nine team league. Oh, that's the bottom of which cannot win any games in any tournament ever came. They cannot we're picked behind mass lull. Even know what mass Lowell is that. That's not us. Massey. It could be Abby low funding the school. We you're talking about seven footers having garnered skills, and I was saying our guards don't have we saying the Nance kid was six seven recruited at six seven showed up at school. Sixty there alone in this game. I have not been able to find to be thirty. I would say it's got to be thirty looked at. It's it's a pick em. It is not a pin. Plus do have a very good back court. Some might say the best back in the country Sam Sam Sessoms Sam sesame. I hear he's good. Hey, C J C show. They combined twenty five points in the last loss. I know last loss so bad. What academically we are sound? Well, yes, this is a little that. I hope it will let me get into the broadcast. We are among of their three hundred fifty D one basketball schools in the country. The top ten percent of them. Condemning get getting noticed for that. We are one of those schools are GPA which is higher than our scoring average. Our GPA was in the top ten percent. So I'm I'm certainly and justifiably proud of that I would like to be able to say eat it will bond because your schools a bunch of dopes, but northwestern is in aren't they ranked in the top fifteen in the entire country for Mendes school practically for journalism. They ranked ahead of Georgetown years shouldn't be right now, they're not to head is. They're not ranked ahead of panir Duke enough, millions either of those Instituto Michael can still crow. But they're ranked ahead of us. Isn't it Stanford? Stanford's Sanford, Sanford is not ranking head. We'll went to Sam he went to Stanford. I don't not being them by the way was a slight favorite over New Jersey. Ten and we lost at home upset. We've lost that home. Are I talked to the coach last night, Tom Dempsey? And I tell me a little bit of Tampa foot. No, no, no. That's okay. So he said, well, our our best guy are and we had a kit from damalf. His his last name is Bruce. I don't know as I had it. Swayed? I wrote I wrote it all down Robert the Bruce. I'm not very popular. Yeah. Thomas Bruce, six nine to thirty. He's he's very he's a four years. Specification cussin' protocol won't be playing. Well, I mean some point in the middle from losing. I may turn the wheel Fleming Fleming at six seventy get out there in green and see what you will play. Did you play didn't play, but he played in high school, obviously plate. Now looks like baller. Big. What we have. I wanted to speaking of colleges just wanted to do this Louisville has fired Bobby between. Oh. Bobby between was fired for a variety of reasons. The most obvious reason is the Louisville has lost seven straight. They lost fifty five to twenty three at Syracuse. Which by the way is good circus ranked in the top fifteen this year, but five of the losses this year. They have allowed fifty or more points. They have quit on Bobby between. Oh, and or Bobby Pacino has quit on them. Bobby get something like a fourteen million dollar buyout. So they got rid of him now with two games to go. I'm not gonna bleed for Bobby between. Oh, who's off the field life. You know about in a great scandalous, wet not going to bleed for him. But I'm gonna tell you this. He was until this year a terrific football coach. This means that within. A year and a half. They have lost. Rick Pitino a national championship hall of fame basketball, coach and Bobby between a very good football coach and the who hired them both got swept out on all of that basketball stuff as well. Can you think of any school any school that has gone Penn State did not lose when Penn State had that just the basketball that I may want wanted to go because he couldn't get any recruits? But these are two prominent coaches out I'm trying to think and by the way, you cannot stand up and say, oh this mistake. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm looking at the results. I mean, fifty one fourteen to Alabama and the season opener one of their better results. They will be seven something. Georgia Tech took him sixty six thirty one. They went fifty six thirty five to wake seventy seven. Sixteen to Clemson seven fifty four twenty three to Louisville as you mentioned. Yeah. No twenty two twenty three to Syracuse yet. They fired they said get out now really just get out make your motorcycle. With these driving ball in the wake of of the lamb bias thing. So they lost lefty. I'm trying to think who was maybe Bobby. Ross still good. Yeah. They were good Bobby Ross could coach. No, no, no, no, no. Lost Calhoun and Randy Edsall around the same time limit. They didn't have. And there was no drop. Well, you cut them. Terrible. They were good under Randy. Came to my Orland. Not the profile of portray and in defensive Randy dreams dream that Maryland. Vania who isn't it the dream state? They left. What are you nuts? He's wanted to coach fill in the blank. There's another there's another. I think I didn't. I didn't talk to wilpon about this. Because he knows how I feel and we'll always defending Carmelo Anthony looks looks like use in get out. Very quickly wants to say get out take all the money. You can stuff into your pants and get out because Carmella this D N P last night in Atlanta illness, undefined illness, and the last time he was out there one for eleven and Carmelo Anthony who is always willing to chat he can't play anymore. Now all those years he no longer can play in can't play. And this will be at this goes the way it looks like it's going and he's off the hill. End up. Oh, he'll end up with. LA? Lebron James LeBron James is constantly though. He's not the coach or the GM. He's in charge, and he's constantly and he's going to say, well, look what I did look at the big man that I picked up. The guy just bought the shot come on. He's been in the league fifteen years. He's thirty six years old big man Lakers. Now, Rick Smits Tyson Chandler. He just got Tyson Chandler. They've won a couple of games because Tyson Chandler, he will say Magic Johnson. And Magic Johnson will say yes to this. Well, we need to have Carmelo but we need to have him. I mean, Carmelo Karez work on dollar on Oklahoma City and now on Houston terrible. It hasn't worked and and it's a similar setup to. Throng because LeBron is different because he'll just make it work because he was trying to send who else can you name that has been finals eight straight risen, by the way when he leaves teams. How do they do they do when he good family too? When he left they slid to the Cavs can't win any games. So do you left Cleveland the original time, they win any games? Do you think that he could make that work? I mean, you think like Carmelo would be resurgent. In a Lakers or just a landing spot for him. I mean, they're talking about just waving him. It's a landing spot for him. But whatever you contribute him is just gravy. Yeah. That's whatever you have him. And LeBron makes peop- LeBron is the rarest question not a point guard who makes people better. Everybody gets look at the look at Cleveland without these. Smith. He's not shooting. Mellow, but he's worth they'll bring him in. He is thirty four years old. He is the single best college basketball player I ever got to see live. He he wanna championship. Did he let's see his career ends after this year? It's live up to his potential as an NBA player. Maybe not. But he was a very very good NBA player for longtime. He tracing McGrady and the hall of fame. He's a hole in the hall of fame. But his last. I mean, he was great and Denver. He was with the Knicks, and he's been a disaster. Oklahoma city. You're exactly right. You're exactly right because he played probably thirty seven thirty eight minutes a game for ten or twelve years and was everything on a team. He was on. He was terrific on Denver Denver, isn't they weren't that? Good. Is there a chance that say the wizards would trade Bill for him to try and? Point Howard with Carmelo. I mean, you've really gonna force them. That would be a force about tired of. Assan whites. Get y'all trouble twenty four point a game career score. Yeah. I mean, he's he is one of the most nice natural scores. If he's going, look, I don't think he's any good. But you could bring something out of him on the Lakers that that would help that would help the Lakers. The Lakers are struggling, right? That would help them. Lebron is going to tinker that doesn't mean it lasts forever. 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Long May You Young Ep. 9: Long May You Run

Pantheon

2:02:50 hr | 6 months ago

Long May You Young Ep. 9: Long May You Run

"I was struggling as much as you are with that. fucking. Stand. Sorry you do have the worst mic stand. I did that on purpose. Thanks thanks. I decided to just I was like there's no way I'm going up ladders and shit like I I could barely move around. So I've been. Took like heavy Ibuprofen and then I. Like once my dad got home. Got Me see CBD like bomb he has. Yeah. No I I put them on right before I came but and then I just took some advil from Luke's too so. It's pretty bad though man took my advil. Yeah you'RE GONNA ask. Expensive. Asked your daughter. You so united dealing drugs with my kids. Yeah. I don't find. Anyway, I. Didn't do much. How much does she charge me? a couple of schools. Nice Orange. No like the blue. Ones Oh. Yeah, all right. Got A smart kid there you should appreciate I do. She's watched breaking bad. She knows the blue ones. Yes. Right away to catch the magic just in case. Of Magic. Magic I did not prepare for this fucking episode I listened wants to the still. The Album I've got some things to say. This is our Neil young past where we mow sleep talk. Through. Serve Mr. Mike Shoe. On in. Trans and rbis stand. H. Oh they. I was I follow the POD chaser twitter feed. and. Right, thank you. legos Santa heads up episode because it hurts my back every time I laugh and we gotta get through this fucking pile of shit a phone, the padres twitter. I was looking at it the other night. Just wearing my robe on. Jersey under drinking a snifter brandy. They asked the question. What is the best podcast theme song you've ever heard. Of course, I had to submit ours because it really is good but now that you followed up with this. I just got this gigantic bone. All blood is just rushed through my head very small. Because I want to look My favorite line right here. It's GonNa. You know it's GonNa take all night. Yeah. It's GonNa take all night. That your I think he says that three times at around. One of the background lady singers was like I'll take us. Are those ladies singers. Neil. I don't know but anytime I get Horny as well. Anytime I, get horny during that. Clip. Love. Stephen. Down Easy Steve What Mike Starting to say is that this is going to be an episode of Long May you young night's. Lifetime. Addition Strap in ladies jets right light some candles. Dim The lights, light of some essential oils or whatever the fuck you do those things. He's into a throw a bath bomb and the math is Kinda. Soak right is. This episode because we'RE WE'RE JUMPING OUT OF. Our and instead of going chronologically with Neil's, we thought the name of the podcast is long. May you young would be silly for us to not talk about the album long? May you run even though it's steals young band lot of people didn't want to talk about this album by a lot of. It was just rough. couple. Scared of it. I will second that Russ still wants to talk about this because he texted us a few times today trying to get out of it right? Late dinner listen in all fairness rusts seriously hurt his back look in the Ross Khandan who are the coastlines Mike Shoe there in the band town meeting you guys had a Gig yesterday. and. Russ, rocked so hard. He threw his back out. I still am he did it. He did it doing. He did it in the rock to win the fucking wall. That's right. You should have laid it down. Easy like, Stevens? Still. Managed. Like, he should it down easy lay. He does and that way you don't really heard any muscle. Except for that one special Ed. One special muscle. It's GonNa. Take all night was just want to mention that for the third time it was. So it wasn't just like making excuses. So we record either Sundays or Mondays today's a Monday and no, you're not hearing this still Wednesday but You know so were we got a text chain going today on one. We're GONNA come and Russ sends us a bunch of like I'm going to dinner I hurt my back. He's trying to get out of it and I think it's just than shoe show sends us a text that he's stuck in traffic which I think is I don't think he wants. Video because I knew you would say that I knew you would bring it up and say Oh, yeah, you're just like your fucking Schlub. Explicit exactly. Why sent the video? And now I'm now somehow luke is going to tie that video into some fucking back to the future reference. Yeah. Harry middle aged man I'm on my van. You guys were fifteen minutes late. So I took advantage of it and made some Mike Shoe clips I only got. Three this is Mike Sue soundboard of fucking L. Young is not sexy. Stephen Stills sexing. This is my favorite one. You guys were totally wrong and I hope you die in a car accident. Oh dime very time I said that the play the play probably me might not be able to hear it as well as those. But this is what she sent us on the way here. This is the audio from him being generally gonNA play. All right. seriously. I love that it cuts off seriously was serve. It's like six, fifty, five at night one night and I'm sitting in traffic on one ninety and coming. This way to is is odd never traffic this if. It's really fucking spooky soon as we started doing this podcast. And we're talking about the name of it and all that Shit, my iphone. It pops up a notification series suggestions, l.. M. Y. Y notes. Mine. Like notes you're fucking just pause. They're always listening crazy. They are they're listening all the a hopefully they'll be listening to this podcast. Hope not. Not just potentially. Robbins Unity's that we they may have through us. Hey, this is is this like are sort of our first arrogance? The last one was our. As part of the Pantheon. Lasso was but yeah, let's mention all that. So long may you young is part of the Pantheon podcast network they do nothing but music podcasts is a great one on the band Russ you should check yeah yeah. You mentioned the Queen One, which you said is really good a kiss kiss. There might be a queen one I saw queen one. Yeah they have a lot but the kiss one is on you were talking about and you said those guys are from Boston. Shouted out loud cast tonight because of the best. On facebook wicked funny. Yeah. They're very very funny and they do these kinds of side bonus episodes of album reviews like the last one they did was appetite for destruction guns and roses while the anniversary just just happened on your days ago and stuff but. Yeah those are good and there's a bunch of great podcasts on there. There's another one produced by some local folks called. Make It stop. It's about like bat what they call it what they are calling bad music. So they they actually got in touch with me because when we joined the network, I call them and I said, Hey, these guys for real they just WanNa fuck us in the ASS. And they said, no, no, no not in the ASS. But she listened to. I guess a couple of our podcasts a little bit of them. Okay and she's she's totally like this girl heather and she's like so we should do an episode on Trans and you should sit in. I said I. Don't I don't like fully. Hey Trans well. Do you you'd. You'd be more landing on water. Yeah. That fucking sucks or the the still just said that. You can tell how similar. Shitty. Brother right yeah. And then choose over like. Love to. You it's GonNa take all night Chico. Yeah. She was like it's GonNa. Take all night because I'm I gotTA find it right? Yeah. All night because I have to get really drunk my. Lines went still says it's GonNa take all night instead of saying like it'll last all night. It's like it's GonNa take it's like a mechanic. When when you? Show up and you're like, you know I really need my already soon I got a bunch of Shit to do this week and he's like I'm going to tell you. It's GonNa take all night. Yeah, you don't have any plans. Things blown. that. Middle Part of what will get into. Song no we're not going to go song by Song, but we definitely got to talk about that fucking song. Come on. That's fucking Hilarious I. Agree how much cocaine consumed Like he thought he was the sexiest man on earth. He thought he thought he was making Berry White Look like fucking ERC. seriously. So I know stills loves himself a Jersey do you think he fucks with a jersey? Oh Yeah. One hundred percents key Kevin Smith's it absolutely football probably raiders episodes where the Raiders Jersey on seems like Raiders Fan. I, mean I don't know someone will probably know All right. So this is the long. May you young gas part of the Pantheon podcast? Guys get an instagram post right now to sort of a make announce it. Announce what were with them and stuff I put up the neal quote and everything I like like that Neil approved. That's right. It is handy on the. That's fucked up Pantheon podcast is podcast network is like endorsed by Neil young which made it kind of scary and it also surprising to me that there hadn't been a neil podcast yet especially where it's endorsed by him and I love Oh that's why I love doing this with you guys but I mean, no. Previous. It's it's odd that it's us that end up I know doing it right because we're. I know I, mean we all love Neil I. think a shit ton were pretty addicted, but we're also kind of fucking jackasses and ridiculous and kind of. We're fucking pros. We're pros being jackasses. Yes. Exactly. We're. We're fucking awesome at that Mike. How would you describe yourself? I'm a harry middle aged man. Van Yeah Youngsters. Van Youngsters Neil Young Records WanNA play for you. Some twizzlers, twizzlers. We have no new reviews and I don't know. Okay. Oh so this is important. I didn't forget this. So we we do love anchor was a really great starting point for us where even more excited beyond Pantheon. So now we to kind of rework away for you guys to leave. US voice messages and I know there was probably a bunch of people chomping at the bit to talk about this album because it's just beyond belief and it's the best thing neal's ever done I think Russ and my Stephen Degree with me, Steven, the best thing Stevens ever. Yes. Yeah. I can I can't even though her meal even though Neil wrote the majority of the tunes we'll wait we'll just won't spend more than fifteen minutes on it. This is my on the album, but we got to spend at least two hours on this one. Song averaging two hours and forty-five minutes per episode. This might really cut that it'll cut in half yeah But I, we are working on a way for you guys to leave US voice messages through Apple I. Think you can do through apple. We'll apple included the anchor link. Oh, I sounded we're going through megaphones. It doesn't allow anymore but we're we're going to have something hopefully by next week I I looked up there's a bunch of easy ways to do it but I don't want to waste your time talking about that when I know you guys are eager well for us to talk I want to get into. The social media stuff I okay. long may you young is on facebook? So if you can't leave a voice message, you can message us there. You can leave comments I, just put a post up I found this. Awesome. I saw this the Pearl Jam. Yeah was playing Cortez the killer. Shit Neil. Loses his fucking Mike always does it is so good though I mean he really just whips it up into a frenzy by the end it's fucking incredible so. Check out that video in the long. May You? That, it's really good and then we're also. Yeah. That's not why you're getting. You're getting hard for fucking Stephen Stills. Not. Should be don't you play that drop Are Getting hard for stephen downs it's coming. To be late next week. Okay. Now. I totally. Forgot was going to say, Oh, we're also on twitter. At Long May you young same thing on Instagram at long young and don't forget to check out the law the Neil Young sub. Read it. On reddit and we post the episodes up. There's a lot of great people making comments I. got some stuff some feedback from. From people listen to podcasts the facebook page on everything if you WANNA go. Well, I was just gonNA I was GONNA kind of go back and forth mention Pat Forties. Has Been talking to US via facebook said he enjoys the show he's any mentioned a different Neil. Young podcast. which I think we mentioned last time but he said Hey why don't you guys asked which beers on the on the beach cover? Oh yeah and then he literally zoomed in on it and he said it looks a lot like a course banquet and then he sent a can. So I like that are fans are doing some investigative. Yeah. I had found that I'd found that online that had said it was course. I've mentioned that but that's awesome that people are a chip in in that way. You. Just made pat feel like you wasted time and time. Sorry Pat Russell alienate the listen my back hurts pat that season pain. So he's GonNa say some things he doesn't mean he's also hopped up on oxy's. Role, GonNa take all night. I know you guys don't like to talk about him. But atom more and had that really long. Now. Russ. Doesn't like him. and. That whole. Yeah. All night. It's to take on. This really nice commenters really long. He's like who doesn't love. Cortez. Everything, but at the end. Oh, I, had to go listen to long you run after all the defecation discussion. The title track saw enough but make love to you just made me uncomfortable. It's creepy like youngsters and rest of the album was largely forgettable, and then he says also is into gear at all. l., yes eight episodes in and no mention of old black yet well, he Is, our our our new logo logo. Now, we should be ashamed though I do feel I. thought that we thought we did there was a few. The thing is sometimes we talk off Mike and we definitely talked about old block a few times when we weren't recording. Yeah. But that's on the thing is too that Neil names thing right so I feel like maybe we mentioned a bunch of different stuff that he named but I mean oh black. Black. Out of what? We. Want to talk about. People calling us out as long as it's fair. Do we have to talk about gear? Is Adam mourns obviously a fucking nerd. Wants to talk about year nobody fucking care. We'll call him right now. fucking. I'll call right now. Maybe he'll be. System for that though if you're GONNA call, it's like you don't want to hold up the phone. John. Locke, on the facebook page was going to mention John Long Scott's comments. Yeah. He said he's everybody on my Christmas list is getting whale tooth combs in cases of squirt. This year. Awesome. Drying of the Titi Bird Oh, that's such. A I got a post. I'm talking to a couple of different artists for a tattoo on my back about a Titi Bird. You. Know I'm not doing it. If you do it, I'm not getting a fucking titty. Doing I of you do at city. Bird. Tattoo one, hundred percent do. Now. I'm going to get a pro fake jobs or you're going to go honestly if you. Get a small city somewhere a small to divert. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do a small. Listen. You can't foresake Titi Bird. This. Only have. We make. We make an agreement that if this podcast ever makes ten dollars. I was GONNA. Make Stephen Stills WanNa make love to us. Then we would get. It was going to say something. Then the tattoo would take all night. He's going to make love to us. It's. He's you know it's GonNa take all night and I get. More work in the morning backer to yeah, you don't to. Say. If we get, I don't know how to measure subscribers, but I'm going to figure it out soon. But if we let's say we hit ten thousand subscribers I'll get along a young tattoo yeah. You. All right. It's on you guys. All, two hundred and thirty of you. Ever many there are I don't know. Collect some change. Yeah I. Mean if if our if our youngsters can pull something together here, we'll. We'll get the TD bird was my favorite thing. Last little force you to do one with US didn't want to burden. Titi Bird Tattoo. And having a bad if our podcast become successful enough. If we get Neil on the PODCAST. All right. If we get Neil on the do along as long as he gets the Tattoo with I'll. Just make it. So impossible Neil has any tattoos probably does. Doesn't I feel like he must have won somewhere. He doesn't like he has a TD bird to. That's all. I've had old Titi Bird on my ass for twenty five years. Ralph Molina. Did it for me with a pen and a paper clip quick side. I have to tattoos I have one right here. That's like a very personal one and then I have another one on my ankle and when I, just had the one on my chest. My. Daughter who is now fifteen around the time she was fourteen a couple year or maybe she was thirteen at a time. But either way she was talking about tattoos and I want to get a tattoo and I can't wait and I'm going to get this and this and I said. Know, you really gotta think about it. A Tattoo is forever like you can't like the one that I got like took me two years to commit to and it's forever and you really gotta think about it and then that weekend. My Band town meeting. We played a show in New York. And I got shit faced and got a tattoo. Oh my God. That's mistake. Number one it better. Not Be a fighting fucking Leprechaun. It's It says slug life. It's because we. We we had a driver. We had a friend who said I WANNA come come to your show and we said that's fine. We have to drive our van the Whole Way Shadow to Marcus Aka the sauce. But so because we had a driver, the whole time we bought. Like a thirty racket coors light in thirty racket twisted teas. So by the time we were halfway through Connecticut, we were fucking hammered. I hope my daughter's not listening to this part of the story. But. She tuned out with. Hidden. Tuned out with Stephen Stills. My. No one's daughter. No. One's daughters especially to any of these episodes but. So we we were hammered and we just every time we'd pull over. We'd say you guys ready to slug another beer or slug another tea or whatever the hell we were drinking, and we just developed a stupid inside joke about living the slug life and then I said, we get down there and our venues near Tattoo. Parlor we're all getting slug life tattoos and then four of US got slug lifetime my God four of you. Know he did not. Funded. So, when I google does Neil young have tattoos there's I can't find any information on that but what does happen is you see a lot of Cool Neil? Young themed Tattoos Oh yeah. That other people got this post those on the facebook page Neil Tattoo for. I think about this actually this is like one where it's Neal's face. I don't know about Neal's face no here. I'll show you. I'll send it to you. It's it's like on the beach is his is. It's pretty wild. And then we'll. We'll post it on the long. May You young facebook page? I've been thinking because I'm I'm I'm getting the bug eye. You've got a ton of tattoos. You know the itch when you're like you WANNA, get another. Yeah. But I was thinking about a Neil Tattoo just because I fucking love a lot of Shit and I love his artwork and I love his lyrics and I just don't know I don't know what I would get. If someone said, you have to get one neil line tattooed on you. What would you? I saw some with out of the blue into the black I that was one of the one of the things I thought of because it's also Stephen King yet it may makes yeah I would probably. Like right down the side of my arm here, wife space just put in like kind of the. Block classic block lettering till the morning comes. See. You. Get. I WANNA. Make love to you on one arm. It's GonNa. Take all night on the. Stephen Stills on the head of my penis. Long I would do like I would do like some kind of Don't let it bring you down. It's only castles burning sort of vibe. That'd be cool. Maybe a little milk blood. Scott. Kind Kinda Kinda more I. would it be pair donkey balls? I do that. The guys at another podcast on the Pantheon. PODCAST network is performance anxiety. And apparently they're big Neil. Young fans also they're asking on twitter. Are you guys going to cover albums where Neil is a guest like crazy moon by crazy horse? No we really need to get through all the other ones I think we can intersperse stuff that. I WANT WANNA. Talk about some of his films to yeah like the concert film we should one hundred percent do that because it's nice to take a little break like this album is a little bit of a break from my regular format. We're not going to do a full. We're not GonNa do this is you? Know there's some good stories that go with the album ice. Leave that up to you shoes you. We don't have to break down the. Stephen Stills trying to say here I, WanNa make love to you. What's he really saying? He's talking about Vietnam. I will say, can I do a quick tattoo plug. Our friend Mackenzie out in where she turner's falls. Beautiful Place. has a parlor is it parlour I? Guess it's called Story Tattoo and art collective. She does like fucking incredible Nice Tattoo. So if you're out in Western mass, Turner's falls go to Thorndale look them up. She does really really good work deserves falls is an awesome little town I love that has come back from the dead almost they have a place there called mystic pinball you've ever been in there now it's all her school machines that sounds awesome. Yeah it's. It's fucking fantastic. They got a couple of great restaurants the black cow. Big. Awesome and they have the the Shady Glen. Diner. Time that's been there forever falls is great because North Adams is the town that everyone thinks of when they think like Kinda. Cool hip like Western mass really I went to school they're. and not, North Adams North Hampton Oh. Yeah. North Antone. Okay. Well, let's see now now because they have smoke open northbound, that's true. But yeah, you're right northwest Norway the fuck. Out But I know what you're saying North Hampton is like the hip place yeah. Yeah. This is very Cool it's Sorry I'm I'm still in the Tattoo thing you are like. More than advil. advil doesn't do that. The don't let it bring you down castration like Margaritas. Did you. Did. You take an edible I probably need some fucking. I haven't had any. That's right. We haven't had any alcohol. A Lot. One of these. There's some really cool. Chardonnay and they're looking this one to. This one just one of the one of the chairs on the beach. That's kind of cool though that pattern is cool. That's pretty sick. Actually, I'm going to send you guys all of these they're they're pretty Rad. Thanks Russ Good. Evening I just saw one he's like. fucking swerving took honey sides. Is that what you? Oh. So you're going to be unconscious and ten minutes. Why wouldn't I be this? FUCKING Someone could do it well I would get a rusty Kershaw Tattoo. Oh, my God hundred percent really Oh. Yeah. If you do it well, not like like Shitty. Interpretation like a big giant fat redneck. Overalls I would get I would get rusty kershaw holding a match. If. Perfect. He's Also on twitter ricky big Fan. She said we shattered are out in the last episode. Too. Many shoutouts I'm not officially cured of she's the one. That's that asked us not to talk over the music. But she's like over that. was she saying here if you got? Cured of caring anymore if you talk over the music clips A as a customer. As Sweden said he and her hat no well, she says the as a female perhaps you're only follower of this gender probably true. You think. So May Know Sarah Lynn yes. Slim's a big fan or a friend who made one. Neil young hat on. The original. Artwork, she did that to anymore unfortunately, but we can use that for some social. Fiance can't use it because we can't talk about why they can't use and ricky i. have a funny feeling to you definitely won't care if we talk over any of the clubs we play off of this album we're only going play I wanna make love to you because you guys do atop three no I didn't even bother any of the neal there's not even three sons I right there are. Three songs he actually like three songs off this album. All right hallway. Things to cover. Yeah, which this is funny because this is from the R- this new young sub read on Reddit. This is from sky crusher. Don't forget other projects like stills, young band album. You may not have two and a half hours worth of material, but there's a there's good. Neil songs there to discuss. It's part of Neal's history. I wonder what he thinks that the good neil songs. That's that's interesting. Because I have I. I've got some guilty pleasures off this one. I got one guilty pleasure I. Don't have some Fountain Fountain Blue I think that's not my. I have one or two although that's that's an interesting too because. That's part of Neal's obsession with Florida being like the center of Hell. Seriously, Neil just picks fights with states while his he's always like ripping on Miami beach like in the tonight's the night Tori was. Oh. Miami be yeah. He wanted to be like a sleaziest possible and he always mentions Miami Beach Benito Sam Miami I'm going to Miami and then home on we know on home you're doing that Song Florida on. Thirty something come on. Can I just finish a fucking thought before we have a bad movie reference sorry Russell is an even. Big was. Doing, will Smith asking. The he on all night on the beach tell the break. Go on the beach and he goes. You you know I don't think the Florida thing off a homegrown was ripping on Florida. I think he was just tripping fucking balls and just like someone recorded him telling that story and he's like this would be fucking awesome to put on an he said, let's put some weird creepy shit over it. I really liked that little Florida interlude. He does I like that too I. Like. Scream ben Keith are playing the wine glasses and that's been keith. Yeah Him and Place you sent us. Oh. Yeah. I want to mention that to go I found. On spotify a Ben Keith playlists like almost. Not Everything but just a ton of stuff he's played on not just neil but like Linda. Ronstadt Steve Goodman a lot of old country stuff like Faron young and yeah, he's amazing. Thank Heath man he's he's the best. Yeah he's really really awesome. He's. In that, his style of playing the pedal steel just. It's like. It's like if Neil young was a whale. No it's just compliments neal's voice. It has a sad tone to us. You know so. I got to look that up with that. Well, I'm excited too because when we get to harvest Moon Ben fucking produce with Neil. and. That's a great album. Did he really it's one of the best is Ben Still Alive. He passed away like a few years ago. But. So yeah, he produced co-produced that with Neil Sin Harvest Moon since we're not since we have a little more time since we're. Not. GonNa. Really hard on this album like we normally do I had this I was thinking about this all day because there's been bio-pics about Johnny cash and a bunch of people and they just did fuck in What's the? That Band I. Don't know Anyway bio-pics all all the time. Who would you guys cast for? Neal if they made a for Neil young now man myself. Jesus Christ advil ruts. Just, advil one he advil and he's like hug gas. Mozelle. Question what do you think about Michael Shannon? He's too scary but Neil's was nearly. He's like we could do that I was thinking. You Daniel but Paul Dano already did the beach but the beach boys, one? Young Neil either. I don't think Michael Shannon could pull off young Neil obviously. But I I don't know you don't have to answer now. Just I was thinking about that be an interesting question. Jason Biggs from American Pie really just an I'm not serious at all. I was going to say I'm like you I'm trying to word Lucas Being Nice Yeah Mike. That's really good. fucking idiot. It is surprising that they haven't done. Neil Young bio-pic yet though he's he's probably shut everything down or I mean Jim mcdonagh barely got shaky out. That's true. Jamie Fox is GONNA be He's GonNa play Mike Tyson. Really. He's been like working with them a ton Mike Tyson's going to fight again I saw Roy Jones Junior. Yeah. It's GonNa. Be Fucking I. Think I think Roy Jim as long as fifty one and Mike Tyson's fifty four. You have a Mike Tyson for charity and apparently they're going to try to not knock each other out. That's not as the supposedly agreement but I'm like no fucking way once Mike gets in there depends on much we'd taste smells. Before he gets in there. Let me tell you something Roy. I'm only going to give you warning comes in of course, you incorporate new. Something right now inaugural. Into the ring I'm GonNa make love to you. It's going to take all. I'M GONNA make love to and and it's GonNa take all night. Or if you're looking for the Ben Keith. Pedal. He's not gonNA. I don't do Mike Tyson. No. Kevin does so right I won't let it bring me down. Triple fairy. Lights Out Really. Hard for this by playing donkey ball fucking five days. The Ben, Keith Pedal Steel playlist on spotify. Stephen Pride and it's a great collection of. GonNa get. The PD bird think that Jason Schwartz Champlain Neil Young. Jason Schwartzman Yeah Jason Swore, that might not be bad. Tracy Morgan, right? Yeah. I'm doing a bit of Oregon. Sorry the Ben. Love to you. Take all night. Maybe inside and you tell you what I'm GonNa do. I'M GONNA make love t wall night Merle. On the beach sorry. Mike. That's okay. That's okay. No Ben Keith man is fucking top notch he's already. You'll Mount Rushmore. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Non including. Neil, who's on your Mount Rushmore then? Non including new and it's hard because we've only we've we literally have still only covered like eight to nine years of his Brian. Yeah, I mean the best of he thinks. Some stuff seventy, five percent of it probably, Ben Keith is to me. In my opinion he's number two put. Danny up there. We're talking just like in Neil Young's universe. Yeah. I don't know how you don't put Danny, but he's only there for one album. Technically. Unless you include tonight time. Yeah. It's a nice and the ones. Yeah which is a fucking awesome song right. I put Danny up there. Yeah. Because you have Neil. Danny and David Briggs I wouldn't put Danny up there why you can only four okay. You Go Poncho over Danny because he's lasted much longer. Yeah but was mills then I would go I would know Neil one hundred percent. And then I'd probably go breaks I. Don't see how you can't do Briggs and I agree you said Briggs. Right shoe. Yeah and then probably steals. If Stevens was up to Stephen Stills all foreheads would be Stephen. Still No. Various facial expressions in various stages of ecstasy. His album and I'm fine with it. I'm okay with just doing this. Yeah. All right. Well, let's let's get into it. Let's No. Well, sure well is your last chance tobacco. Now, let's talk a little bit about it because it's just fucking hilarious to me fucking shooting. Can you put Ralph and billy as one head. Right can you put those two solid? Rushmore statue you can pick seven different tits off the Titi bird each tits a different person a neil's universe. That's a good idea. Luke. That's more doable. Let's got some. Got Someone's brain is isn't adult by drugs here. What do you want from issue isn't an opioid problem in this fucking state actors half of its in this room right now. Heard it here I ever rather than to be profit. SIP water right now don't do it don't. Get into the fucking. Breath. We should talk about that. Someone will. Someone. Will someone will in forty years do the long? May you young long when they go in episode by episode of this podcast and forty years and it'll it'll it'll. It'll be called long. May You listen too long? May you young but I really hope that never exists. Alright. Long may you run well? She's got more stuff's talking about the time that this this came out. Like neal was super prolific during this time David Briggs said that. He was just like an open tab he was constantly like we were talking about the hitchhiker this whole. Like span of time it's just fucking jam packed. Yeah. She'll win. Was it though like between like seventy four and seventy seven? Okay. was just cranking out tune because. All the albums that. Got Released, way later bright and like homegrown tomatoes. In. and. We're GONNA talk about a little bit about chrome. Dreams. Doesn't exist while he kinda he kinda broke it up in the other stuff. Yeah, right. So. He was like cranking out albums wasn't even releasing them Frank San Pedro crazy horse saying that they would be recording and recording and he didn't had no idea what it was for. They were just recording and writing songs the Neil. Would say, Hey, I just I just submitted an album to the record company and frank would be like. Well, what's on it? Because, they were just recording so much at this time and and You know a lot of it was solo acoustic like the hitchhiker album stuff like that. So and a lot of it was live and was rock has briggs was involved. You know and it was accorded a studio there indigo studio and and so this was why. Long, may you run is such a fucking mystery to me? It's like everything that Neil didn't want doesn't. was. Railing against. In the music industry like overproduced. Oh. Yeah. Strange. Jails. Like. Apparently, he likes showed up at a Stephen Stills Gig. And jammed with them and and they thought it went really well and they had started some stuff without. You Know Graham Nash and David Crosby and they wanted to kind of finish that thought and then They started doing it and they brought. Crosby and Nash, and then they were like fuck this. It's GonNa take too long with them involves what it's GonNa take all night. Can't back and forth. Shoes the stifled. Trying to get through. Yeah What did you expect? Sexy. What did you expect this episode to be shoe? So what's funny to me about all this is Neil and stills. It should be Buffalo. Springfield. It should be that quality. Yeah. So this is a long time after buffalo spring but still like. Neil Neil is still making topnotch I'd say some of his best stuff around absolutely why I know you're you're what you were just saying. And maybe you're getting to this. But why do you think he agreed to this? Why do you think he did I think he had a good time jamming what stills in those couple gigs up with and he thought that there'd be a spark again maybe he thought it would be like Buffalo Springfield stuff. You're right it is so do you think overproduce? It's so Jesus disgusted he felt he owed still that's what I'm feeling. Nine Neil No, it's not Neil. But at the same time, I, feel like he is he's got that he appreciates the people that have been in his life and have helped him out and so I think maybe a part of it is he had been working with with Nash and Crosby for like all of his other shit. And I don't know maybe he's like. Author still a really shitty woes, Nash and Crosby for the past like. Album stills barely is on I. think that they you know it's definitely love hate relationship but I think it's Stephen. Stills loves Neil Young. Yeah. They love cover. He covers the songs on his Solo I'll. On Solo albums and I. Think it says they thought they had something but when they finally got to do it like when they did this in. MIAMI. And they had a really like big studio makes so much sense and. Like Stephen, stills bought like a mansion down there and Nielsen Very Neil Larry kills spearheaded right while still even though like you neal probably wrote the majority of the songs but it it seems like it's a stills project well, still demanded that they use his band and he's got like a really great band Oh. Yeah. I mean the musicianship and everything is its top notch. It's it's it's I did try to go into this with an open mind I wasn't like I'm GONNA go into the Listen four or five times. I'm not. GonNa lie it was rough but I did it four or five times. It it a some of them are great if if. I mean a lot of them are better than some of the Bullshit Country Beach you get to the precursor. It is but even worse than that's what I was going to bring up. I think this album birthed yacht rock. Yeah. Because this came out in nineteen seventy six. And so you think about stuff like. Little. River Band Christopher Cross fucking AMBROSIA. You know when key Garmon key fleetwood MAC getting all fucking slick you know and Pablo cruise eight wife thrown fleetwood MAC and here I agree with shooting that really some. Once they make music but once they took on. Oh Jeez rumours has yacht rock stuff all over it man. Maybe right. Yeah rumors. Radio. Though when they took, you can't see Buckingham on lakes rumors, great. Song. I'm I'm of the opinion as well that BEF- pre agree with you pre. Valenzia and Stevie. rougher is a little bit. In my opinion is more my tastes. Were the DOOBIE brothers around at this time. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. You think there's a lot of like Michael McDonald seeping through Michael. McDonald didn't really come into play way seventy came home. This feels a lot of like. Actually. That's a good question because this is. This seventy six. We recorded this album may have like it was a dud when it came out, it inspired all that shitty stuff I just it's also very. I mean is it not very beach driven to yeah and yeah to me that that's that I I'm not a Jimmy Buffett Fan and this to me it feels buffet ask does Abe it's very, very much. So yes, he talks about like fucking trap I'm. Fine with stuff. I'm fine with. Your fucking. Music if it's done, right I mean the beach boys are fucking awesome a band. Not Familiar too high right now man you can't kick it high of advil and Co. well, this is this is this is the birth of yacht rock because I bought two yachts. While, he made this album. Let me tell you the names of these fucking boats. Well, one of them stupid. The other one's named after his grandfather. It was the God the evening coconut. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Man Yeah this is real. This is why this album sounds like this. This. Guy This is why the album sounds like. Just, when you think you can write a finger on anything yells does Cortez the killer boat called the evening coconut s no, he didn't. You tell me the guys who wrote after the gold rush the album. Who in a fever wrote down by the river city girl everybody knows this is nowhere. The night. Yeah. You telling me that last night you're telling me. To tell right is also evening coke and he named the boat the evening coconut I was chopping down a coconut tree evening fell on his. I don't believe you made that up I used to this. This is why we're doing this fucking podcast because this is Neil. This is. Soundly. The because is it where it starts I'm nervous being disrespectful. That wasn't the one named after his grandfather. The the other one was the W. N. Ragland and I believe this Oh you think so. Yeah. I think that's his his his. His. His. Mother's. Father. Yeah I think so yeah. So this this is where it all fucking starts. Evening Coconut. Coconut he bought two boats and he was hanging out in. Florida. That's why this sounds like. This feels like we're shadowing. Do you remember not to go back to after. The last podcast episode we recorded, I went and watched apocalyptic. It's so fucking good by the way, but there's that scene. At the beginning, they're hunting the boar, and then they run into those people in the jungle and one of the DUDES WHO and they ended up getting captured with he has that dream about him and it's like foreshadowing where he's like he's He's like a panic look in his eyes and his stomach slit open and he's holding his own heart. That's what him tell. What shoe telling us. He named a boat called the toasted coconut. Evening Coconut Coconut. That's what it feels like. It's like foreshadowing for some really terrible things to come. Well, yeah. That's what happened and they made this album that was the shitty thing to come. He bought yachts and then He created yacht rock I have these boats I gotta make music to go with my boats. Now, he'll young created yacht rock. Ceiling Vampire did not and maybe he went to the future and you know while steely days it's. Time traveling hula girl maybe yacht rock maisy was he invented parrot heads the quick theory maybe yacht rock prevented some serious terrorist atrocities you ever think about that. Maybe there was something that was going to be worse than like like ten times worse than nine eleven but then they heard fuck black coral. My and bright and they're like, you know what? I just don't. I don't think I feel like I WANNA do this. Because the Ocean is heaven according to Stephen Stills. He saw Jesus down there at two, hundred, forty, seven down saw Jesus. Everything was right. There and it made sense. Yeah. It all makes sense since. I saw Jesus and it took all night long. The only thing Stephen Stills hates about the ocean as you can't do cocaine underwater. And Neil were probably on one of the odds maybe the fucking crispy cocoa and. Coconut Ross when our just doing, we're just doing names that Tony Calls Kristen. My boss he just. But I Dunno I you they were on that trying to create some sort of contraption where they could do coke underwater. Spent all the money. Weird helmet filled. Diesel. Divers. accepted. Had a little shelf under the nose. Yeah. One of those old school ones like the copper, right? That's. The big fucking regret. That looks like the top Komo. Came up with that. Line. Awesome that unbelievable groundbreaking line about seeing. Jesus function. That's a love. Neil bought two yachts to not just one. He bought two yachts you'll rockstar. Rockstar Rockstar. I Dunno wild man fucking. Neal was the original Lil Yadi. You can't. Yeah. You don't. You never know who I want to quote Stephen Stills when he says you realize the peril but seductive is the deep that shark over there. Holds no terror. For a while. You really belong. Good God that's shark over there. I want to the marine biologist. And Singer, Songwriter Stephen. Still. Point out stills wrote for what it's worth like he can write grazing. Amazing Singer and and he's in a credible what he's an amazing guitar player and there's not a lot of. Super Fuckin- crazy guitar playing on this record. You got to the best guitar players in music history on this album, and there's really there's there's little bits and pieces. What did he write for CS NY? What were his big once? He write Judy Blue Eyes No. That was a no wasn't that. Judy Collins. Which is incredible song he can write a fuck and masterpiece. It's just like we're I don't WanNa talk. Shit about stills because he's written some don't erase all previous episodes point and and this one the thing. But no but like I'm I don't mind talking about still but. He's written some masterpieces and but they all were all four of them were writing these brilliant songs and it just seems like. Neil stayed pretty solid. Neil dipped for sure dipped. But at this time period Neil was still in my opinion songwriting was still going up way up road like fucking Zuma is some of the best songwriting I had to dip back into. Zuma. After. Listening I, broke my own rule which was I'm Gonna I'M GONNA. Just listen to the album were about to talk about. But I couldn't do that all for this one. So I dip into decade a little bit because we're going towards that. In then we we've been talking about chrome dreams none what that must have been. So I dipped into a few different. Play people just make playlists, list what they think. It was in I had to go back to Zuma because it's just a fucking incredible album. It's great but I don't know. Can you play the middle part of WanNa make love to you the breakdown. A jazz breakdown I. Think it's like a two to thirty or something like that. Yeah. We. Were here. It is. Is that jazz flute. It's Ron Burgundy is that. Right or what's What was Ron Swanson's jazz name do Dukes Duke Silver Listen. Would I know you've already said that twice. which is not. Midnight on the Bay when they just say midnight birth Stephen Stills, would that last line invented on demand? We choose who we. Choose. When we choose. Jesus I believe that was I think that was Netflix first slogan. WAS A. Perk. Instill inspiration for have your your way. Beef Patty. Lettuce cheese pickles. I WANNA give you. Some WanNa give you some chicken nuggets. Admire. All right. We'll take a closer look at it turns out. It's your carburetor and it's GonNa take all night long. It's GonNa take all night. We're going to introduce a new kind of rack and we're going to make it better than we. New, kind of. You get what you want when you want you can choose it. You can have it. It's your way. It turns out it's really cheap to make chicken nuggets. Twenty four, forty nine right now. All right. Please shut. My boner. Talks about extra long I. Know because he extra long. Does that line. It's like what does he MC Hammer supersized? I love how. So we're skipping right over the one like actually pretty brilliant song that does not fit in with the rest of this. How even? To. Songs actually that don't fit that long long. May you run and then the the country? The. Let it shine, which is the only other song on actually kind of like I don't know that doesn't stay to make what can what can I just play the beginning? This is my law. So long may you young? Yeah, I love that they leave that little bit in the beginning there right here on. The line is nobody can take where nobody can take away the time. We had each moment extra long it's quite a maverick. Don't. Forget with the dawn and all the Gond. and. How we got together anyway well, that's another song. It's GonNa be extra law. That's another son. He's like you're GonNa want another one to. Go back to. One of the best songs. I love that he leaves a little bit in the beginning. In the moment yeah. Just leave it. How is this song on this out? Right right. Get it. Yeah. The only thing that's like. Cohesive is is that it's very produced. What's not even good bad. It's that this is like. Even style wise. It doesn't. It's nothing is similar. We been always makes me think of maybe not even that produced I mean every other song sounds so different well, this one and let it shine I believe he was probably the the way the things were in the studio him and stills were rarely there at the same time like Neil would go in during the day and get his shit done and then they'd wait around and Stephen Stills would never show up. So they leave in Stephen Stills was show up stay all night and make like the studio people. And every how long it took all night. And so. The producer Tom Dowd who's a great producer you? Produce. Hebrews this did he but he's a really good producer he a lot allman brothers stuff like eat a peach and then he pays Clapton's. Boulevard and. But he complain to, to Ahmet Ertegun Atlantic records he's like look stills doesn't show up until like late at night and then he stays all night and then And then Neil comes in and like the crews wiped out there too tired to work and Nielsen, and so I'm at Erdogan showed up like a boss showed up. During the day unannounced and neal was already they're working. So he's like hanging with Neil kneels doing his thing they hang out there waiting for stills against those in show up neal leaves I'm at, arrogance stays. Still shows up and I'm like I wanNA talk to you and he takes them into another room. It gives them the talking to and like after this album Stephen. Stills. Left Atlantic records. Yeah and he went to Columbia. Well, the reason it took him all night is because he spent all day ripping the base out of different, very talented people you speak getting into fights with bass players and guitar players and running away from Rusty Kershaw. But yeah. So that was like they were saying that it was more like. Two guys working on. Their their respective. Solo. Albums at the same time pretty much. You don't really hear that a lot of them singing together on here. You do on long. You can just barely hear still. Yeah. There's a couple where you like, okay here both of them on this but long long young, can we talk about the song for a quick second run? Okay I'm gonNA fuck the Shit. But this is the epitome of. I don't WanNa say disappoint meant to like. As, far as like. It's about one thing and then realising it's about an. Oh. Good for when you hear the song, it's a really great song catchy and it really Kinda hits home and then you're like, oh, it's about his car. But what's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with in but it doesn't mean that it has to be about his car to me like I love the same. Honestly this song always makes me think of Coenen because remember when a bar Burien no. Yes the barbarian. No. The Librarian. There's Your best reference so far that's podcast. I'll doing UHF podcasts. We should do. Oh you mean. He's ever made. It's so good. We don't need no stinking badgers. Come on man I'm going to get sucked into the let's say you know what? Let's have a twinkie sandwiches right now being in. The. Be there. Michael. Michael Richards Best Role. Except for that one stand up and he did we're. Speaking of racist you remember how? Our early on I was like. Yeah Eric Clapton's fine and everyone was like Whoa Russet or When you talk a bunch of Shit. Yeah. Google Eric Clapton Racist and then. I, feel a lot better about sorta talking shit about aircraft I don't WanNa do. A major ACIS Clapton is a race. Yes Google it gave he wrote Layla. Down time I, kind of find that hard to believe. How is he a racist? There's this fucking onstage speech he gave back then. In front of thousands of people where he likes straight up was using terrible racial slurs and people go back to their country and that England is a white country you know I don't believe this. Look. At Russia's allegedly saying go to the tape I'm a legend in saying, but I read an article listen I heard it all. On, Breitbart no wasn't. Oh, was it on Alex. Jones show that. Was it Alex Jones No, I always think a Conan when he had that little stint on the tonight show Oh. Yeah. Ended up getting canned his last episode he Nia long and they played long. May You realize together? Oh, I didn't fucking awesome. He goes this is on ultimate classic rock DOT COM. He really hates Eric Clapton Eric Clapton. We're doing a Neil Young? fucking. Okay this Eric Clapton Racist. Best it confesses shame over racist remarks. Also, he's feeling apologetic about but when you read what he said, it's like Jesus. Dude you cannot fuck and. You can't. You didn't join fucking read it not verbatim probably. He said, I, think inox right I think we should send them all back. Stop. Britain from becoming a black colony get the foreigners out. Clapton, said from the stage England is for white people man what is the are a white country? This is great. Britain. A white country what is happening to us for? Where are you reading this? Where are you reading? This is right here and there's no class I've read it already said it all of a sudden. Classic Rock Dot com where he confesses to this, there's other articles. This is an article of him being apologetic about it, and there's another one here Eric Clapton White SPLAINE's WHO's racism listen I'm Gonna I, don't care that much about Eric Clapton. Okay. I will say this easy bt says right here KLOPP's has been exposed giant racist. I'll give and his apology will yeah, there's a ton. It sounds like he's very cool. It sounds like he knew he was. You'RE GONNA defend those I'm not defending I'm just saying like I don't want and you know what's What's so fucked up is that aircraft install his whole sound from black artists how you really do hate Aaron Club? I don't hate him just like. He I never really thought he was the best of the Best I've always thought there's people that are better than. Common Knowledge that rock and roll was was black music. Well, yeah. Of course it is and you don't get Elvis Presley with everybody who appropriated known from the Blues Racist I will say, definitely people's law. They literally stole stuff but people who fucking said what I just read and shout out to thousands of people. Yes. Absolutely to the shout at the devil. If you guys want to have a defend Eric Clapton's raise now I, just want to have a neil young podcast. I'm not defending I also don't know the article you're looking at i. just feel it gets if he's been apologetic, he says, I'm really shitty stuff and that's terrible. But if he's being apologetic gotta at least give him that he's being apologetic about it now. Sure as my opinion. it doesn't it barely even get into that well, there's very little room for second chances these days Luke, and now they're really right. So. Anyway the songs about his car. That's all we're trying to say. In his car and we fucking racist I'm going to be honest that fucking racist car leave. Nope for what was it? It was a hearse right? He's talking about more. Is he talking about more? Yeah. The WHO am I talking about something else? No He's talking about the Hersi drove from Canada down to Los Angeles. Yeah. He that was his second. That was more to Oh really do. That I think also around Winnipeg just broke down and he brought it somewhere. They said it's GonNa cost you more. It's GonNa take all night. alternator. It's GonNa take all night. He said it's extra long skinny. He said it's GonNa cost you more than the car's worth to repair it. So eat neil's like fine and then he went to his dad. For a little bit of cash, and then his dad gave him a little bit cash and then he bought another hearse because he just loved hearses well, think about the hearst though it's pretty practical. Band. Yes a good car to have I mean next to a van out van would be a bigger thing over hearse maybe he couldn't afford the van. Bitlis. Neil you know. Yeah. He's Neil this poor to though this was like teenage fucking young Neil Winnipeg buck wearing. Yeah. Shit kickin not to not be denied me. That's right. Yeah it is. The song is definitely out of place on this album, but and that's probably why it leads the album because it was the best piece of music that was produced with all these sessions. Is it. Yeah In my opinion I mean if you listen to the rest of the album, I would lead with the song to I wouldn't Solo. Yeah. I wouldn't save it for the would get rid of. Absolute. There's nothing else that even gives you a glimmer Usman on this. It's like there's some stuff. That's okay. Can I give you my guilty pleasure case going song by Song? Can we kinda just hop two different ones here? I`ll Give You my guilty pleasure and you guys are Gonna I, strongly disagree with me. Oh really I love midnight on the bay. Horrible. This is like everything. I. Fucking. Really like this song. Everything, we just talked about this is the epitome of Mosad, Mrs like he hated what he was trying to avoid but then again, like you said rust, that's what Neil does. Right? He doesn't like people to figure them out what? Our Shit like agree with Ricky, you talk over the songs too much try. Sorry. Sorry. Oh God sir. It's just a good buck in your. I don't Hate Ya rock for as much as we've been shitting on I don't hate it. I. I hate to the end. When he says midnight I hate the song because at birth seals and fucking crops. Like they took everything from this fucking song. Just over and over again. You really liked the tune. There is definitely what it is. All right. You know how I don't have Sirius Xm radio, but our van is equipped for it. So once a year, they do a little promo unlike you get it for a week and not every year they do for for Free I put it on the Rock station and I don't know why. But I love I either go nineties. Or Yacht Rock and that because I, don't I would listen a fucking faction but they don't that's like a pay channel so don't get. One of the worst. Pleasure I just enjoy it. I don't know what it is. It just kind of a it's kind of good easy going. On, you don't fucking bring it on. I don't give a shit I'll take all your abuse and probably deserve it. But I like that Song my guilty judging you more for defending Eric Clapton's races I'm not defending his racism I don't have to look at the article I'm just saying it's alleged right now. It's not alleged I just brought multiple bucket backs. You brought one article I didn't I pointed out a ton Ba. Teased talked about it. All right. Well, I'll have to look at source. If he said that should that's. There you go. That's all I wanted to hear Kate. Great. You heard who wow. Who would not say that who would agree with the things he said I mean, a lot of people a lot of people raised and I'm saying who like that you would like do a podcast with Woodson would say, Oh, I agree with him sayings ray somebody must have really tore you a new asshole for saying you hit it Eric Clapton feud by. Shit. Yeah. I mean Jean Adam Morris. Allow your like overcompensating with fucking. You're all pilled up your your fucking your just your mission to bring him down. It's too late but he retired when did HE MOVES ON MONTSERRAT BILLIONAIRE? Good. When did he say it? I don't know a long time ago right so and I'm not saying it's right I'm it's one hundred percent wrong for him to say it. I'm just saying it's okay to show a little bit of if people like genuinely like feel shitty about how they acted like you know what I was wrong and I should not have said that like I feel like it's okay to be like dude I but his his apology was I have a lot of black friends and I even dated a black woman I didn't I haven't read his Paul Yeah that's that's that's when you say. Trump's pick nobody loves black people. WHO. Has More Black Friends I. Know some of my best friends you said he's living he's retired and he's a billionaire. Like you know a black charity or something like it's actually fairly good. Good trump. I'll give you do with it. If you're going to make an apology than fuck, prove it you know and so like you said I I know we're getting off topic but you say there's not a lot of second chances as disagree. I think it's just about how you go about it. You know if you're going to just say like, Oh, well, I have black friends. Just No. Because there's been too much suffering for way too long run. So it's not enough to just say, well, no, my neighbors black you know what I mean there's more to it. So and I again on this Neil theme you know we got shit recently on town meeting because I made a post about something like justice beyond Taylor and. Some people were saying like, Oh, well are you musicians or are you politicians and and I was like shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up and I'm talking I know and. Good luck finding musician that doesn't have like leanings. Reform and I was like. So if you really need an answer as to why and how I'm going about this stuff as best I am trying to you know look at Neil Young 'cause if you go to the Neil Young archives, there's almost every page has links to to to charities and places where you can actually make change and donate and make a difference. So I looked to kneel because he's my favorite artist of all time and so I'm not ashamed to to make it make these points I'm not ashamed to like try to help people understand better way and including myself, and also I start with myself I you know and also in like today's age of social media right right. One of the benefits of. Having a like being an abandoned, having a particular following big or small is that your platform and you can post whatever you want on that platform. That's part of the world we live in and if you don't like it, you can follow or you can start a dialogue about it. That's also okay. But don't say like all people in like musicians and artists and actor shouldn't be we literally. A reality TV star as our president like that, right? That's our presidents. You can't say that anymore because that's who we elected as president. So you can't say you can't say that arts politics don't miss and also to me the issue of like ending racism shouldn't be a political one. It's a human rights thing. It shouldn't be political. It's Nah it's just so and get the black lives. Matter is an organization that there's like you know so many things can get infiltrated and whatever the fuck. I also think conspiracy theories and all that stuff is also gotten infiltrated by others. We could get all into that shit, but my point is. Saying that the lives of black people should matter to me is not political because it's the the words that I don't know but anyway. I don't know. At this point. It's at this point it's if it's polarizing to you then you got to. And figure some shit out because literally. All baseball organizations are all taking the at this point. The whole fucking thing. But I'm saying I wasn't defending Eric Clapton. I'm just saying if someone is genuinely apologetic. I think it's okay to to like I just think it's about how you Go Near A. Billionaire and I mean I could give a shit about about the dude he's written some great songs that. Pretty Goddamn I call yes. He's incredibly talented person. Yeah. He's an ease incredibly talented heaven she'll gets to me I. Don't want to hit them like that song at all. I don't like to us from heaven why don't why I don't know It's have kids probably well, I have a kid you know. What I mean the story behind it is truly it's heartbreak. Song. No it does does I know I I, I just think it's it's I don't know it belongs on the stills young yes. They are. You kidding me one hundred percents guys are crazy. Listen to the production listen to the sound. It's that same it's. He might. He might as well be drinking bananas from Long Dog Glasses Right open-air. Invented Parrot Heads Yacht rock episode. Just. girly Yeah. Because I'm so. I've missed so like I hate the still songs so much that when I hit the neal ones, it's like a like it's refreshing I know but come on man ocean girl. That's that's just. So Awful Listen. Shitty. fucking. It's bad. It's bad. I even good wa Wa this fucking. Jobs hairs. Was Disco. Throwing this feel it. It's like feel right now that. I don't know what you want. God. Sag. That's We've already spent too much time. I just wanted to talk about I, WanNa make love to you but. Listen Okay This is going to be tough for you guys, but if you had to cut one. A. Real. Making. Long may you run and put it on a better album that again 'cause here, watch approve me and she was from getting. From the beginning. Yeah whatever whatever. Ready. WE'LL JUNO MIND A. If I. saw you have you been. Right now with the different thought hold on you. Know, we don't WanNa keep listening to this fucking garden on. The right now. Off Time he came. Across the water. Pretty well. Yes. Sure. Right. All right. Ready. Alabama. And one on the track. Now it's all do albuquerque together. and. If I saw you in heaven. Yeah. All right. All right I'm done. I'm done Iran go ahead. All right. Let's talk about what the fuck happened on the tour for this album they were supposed to do three months right of this this. All right right. So. They do eighteen dates. and. Neil Young has asked Stephen Stills repeatedly already to stop berating the crew. During the show from the stage who did Stephen Stills Young? No young told. He's like yelling at the sound guy he's blaming the crew for shit shock on the microphone during the show, right so on I don't want to I don't want God forbid burn a potential stills bridge, but at the same stills. All these stories I'm like God and we do you think there was ever I mean no but you never know I want to be on your podcast. GonNa Take No I to me I don't WanNa, bring him up either but. Save it for the Nicchi podcast. No. Rush No. I know he's book in. He's been dealt his and deservedly. So but Ryan Adams. I saw him live at the same place as kneel at the wing, and here's a fucking Dick. He's yelling at people in the crowd and Boston crowds are admittedly tough like they're. Not. Always. No. Sometimes, it depends what show yeah. Sometimes, the Best Ryan also came out forty five minutes late of course because of course he now yeah he's probably beating some woman. Best. Fuck those people that have to fucking just. Don't can't show up on time. Yeah. You Know Dylan. Oh. Yeah. Absolutely. But the. Villain he showed up at least you know but this is later I mean I, don't know what it was like back. When we sunil the first time, he was about forty five minutes late. Why he also wasn't yelling out when we went to see him with promises promises that was intentional. Though is still yeah. But it was a part of the show. Oh. Yeah. When you go saying that they. were. Monsanto. So that doesn't bother me because it's a it's like wasn't there or like was doing this a leg people. He was making a statement like again politically but he also. Knows how to work a crowd like if you're hanging on fan, you know that we're starting to turn and then when he came out so Jesus old but I, don't think Ryan as. Anything, close to. Doing it because I'm saying I'm saying that's what I'm saying making statement. That's what I'm saying I'm saying Ryan Adams is reminds me is still Jesus old Howie Mandel and I know I bring up Howie Mandel all the time as we all do. We ever. Remember that we talking about. How He's the monster. The, blue? Monster. Never saw little monster. Now it's a weird. Wow. Yeah it's pretty fun. When he was doing standup like when he first got going and then he got really big and he was doing these big theatres he used to do this thing and I heard this from some comedian who opened for them and it was so fucking funny and brilliant. But he had this wicked annoying like song from the forties that he would play and it was like just like weird silly enough that like the first time you heard it, you would laugh. But he played it like twenty times. and. It was like the comedian describing statement. He knew this I knew that how he was a genius stand up because he would play it just enough so that like Ads about to turn on him and he would come in people wouldn't fucking go nuts like that's an Andy Kaufman rip off at eight. It's not a rip off. It's Andy Kaufman rip off if you came out and said, thank you good night. Left. Exactly. Like Andy would do that with like he read all of Charles Dickens books. would be laughing because like, oh, he's still going and then like he would read the whole fucking book right and so like. points, where would people were leaving and other people would be like he's still going they laugh again and then get sick of it, and then like fuck he's reading the whole book. You know what I mean on the whole gamut of emotions were the end finally, they would just start losing their shit I. think that's what she was saying. It's not that because this was not early builds to get the crowd to that boiling point. And then come out, and then like they're all on your side because it's just so well done. Before he even though. So maybe that Neil during that tour, that's what he was doing. He literally because it was way longer than anything, you would would. Definitely got member people started booing people started getting really mad and then when he came out and he just started plan after the gold rush. Lost their but do you think he did that for the reasons Howie Mandel did it I don't think maybe not I don't know because Neil really doesn't. Care in fact I think takes great pleasure when people like me say fucking landing on water is the worst fucking al I've ever heard and he's probably going all right because what you really want. Is a reaction yeah. Whether it's good or bad. I love this. This fucking sucks yeah. That's what you want if you if you do something and you don't hear. You, don't if you don't get a reaction at all. Then, then you're not doing it, right? Yeah, and so that's why I think his thing is like if people get so fucking crazy, they hate something that I do well, that's fucking. Think. He sure. But do you think that he made it to be? Hey, no no, he did. But he wanted. But he still gets his you're. Sharing. It sucks unless there are music critic, he seems to take that a little more personally, which is so weird. But the fans when the fans are screaming out songs and he's not playing them and they get all fucking pissed off, you know he takes pleasure in that because it's a reaction. It's a real visceral reaction and you want that as an artist with your musical artist painter or writer you want people to say like fucking guy he should be fucking strung up and you're like, okay, that's good. Yeah, you know. Paying, attention to what I'm saying when you I say it I'm Kinda Lake doesn't seem right as an artist because I think well, I want people to like what I make. But then when you describe it that way, it makes sense because if critic was to write something negative about us that would affect me a lot. But if when people are shouting out songs at our shows, it kind of brings me pleasure to just not play what they want me to play. Well. Especially, if they're like come on, just fucking play, watch it play something. Good. Guy. Like, that you're just like okay. Guy De brings joy. But at the same time I want the majority of people to like. We all WanNa be loved absolutely. No as an artist I think. You'd be. Right, you want whatever you want the reacts. See like every time I. Hear this right. So getting a reaction with Stephen Stills is getting what he wants. I agree with I agree with Shu we all WANNA be loved. It's GonNa. Take all night. This is long. May You young night? This is the law may young quiet storm which. He was loaned as he could be yeah, I'm sure he was nobody. Sat Down in the evening by a coconut tree. Let me let me continue with what happened. After Neil the last time he told Stephen Stills to shut the fuck up because he was ripping on Tim Mulligan who kneels engineer who was working on the tour and he said you got to cut the shit and still stolen the fuck off so they had to buses. The kneel boss, the Stephen Bus and the bus drivers communicated through CBI. So a drunk fucked up Stephen Stills gets on the CB while the driver's talking to the Neal's driver and he's totally like I wanNA talk to kneel and he's like ripping Neil and he's calling Neil fucking a loser and everything like that and Neil can hear him. And kneels is like, okay I've had it. This was a big mistake I gotta get back with crazy horse doesn't feel right? And he tells the driver to Fi- they're going to Atlanta. He tells the driver to fuck in just take a left turn real I. Think he went to Memphis and they were in Charlotte and he went to Memphis and caught a plane back to California. Bills to thank Zuma. No this was after. This is is the tour. Oh, you're right. Yeah. This is after this. This was the divorce or four long. May you run right? This is the one he canceled. Okay. The crazy horse tour with. Frank San Pedro's friends were like you want us to kill him. Yes. Yes. Right. You're right. After eighteen dates just disappears doesn't any leaves and read the note to you seen this dear Stephen Funny how some things that start spontaneously. Eat a peach. Yeah. That's so awesome and that's it. Was it. was before or after the allman brothers record that was after after all, that was seventy two never tina finished the tour no, and of course, his manager Neal's manager Lee Roberts that created all sorts of shit for him because they were obligated by contract. So he went back out with crazy horse and all those places. Okay. Made up those dates but he just fucking left. So what what's his took off on still a middle? fucking tour in Archive. What came after? This was this American stars. Before decade. Right bomber. Archives. The same year but that came up before, can we get into chrome dreams? A little bit I'm not sure because I I can go take a Piss if you want. No you don't WanNa. Do you WanNa do a black coral pissed break. Yeah. She don't hate this. Maybe I actually got like the. The song would be perfect. There was no singing. Listen to this. Where loafers or? And I got my sweater tied around my shoulder her this is to me. This is Michael McDonald light. Oh. Yeah. I'll tell you this album. This was the very first yacht rock out literally because Neil Botha's to fucking boats. And he wanted to sing about them. This is it man this is where yacht rockstarts. Fucking Neil. Neil man fucking Neil invented yacht. He invented grunge and yacht grunge yacht rock country rock right? I mean he invented all that Shit. That out. Thank you, No, I So chrome dreams you sent us a youtube playlist and these are just and there's A bunch of speculative playlists saw the one I I like the one you sent, but then I found a pretty similar one on spotify. It was playlist someone made and it it was almost it was mostly American stars in bars. was is that Kinda what chrome dreams became? Yeah, there's some homegrown on their like homegrown was on there too. Yep Sedan delivery that was on this. Okay. So for people listening, this is the album that was like rumored to. This is an album he put together and I don't know if the record companies said no, like they did a hitchhiker like we don't like the way it came out or they tried to stop like tonight's the night. And they just couldn't. You know they won this time but he ended up just breaking this album, open the pieces and scattering it through the rest of his albums you know like so any song that would be on it is elsewhere, right? Most of them yeah. I mean like a hurricane was American stars in bars and star Bethlehem. Hurricane. Until you WANNA. Wait until. Wait like. For those particular since they like you said, they got shot out. Yeah. I just wanted mental. This was this is like he's releasing. You know he's Really good years released hitchhiker will you think is going to release a chrome dreams? Why would he do that? There are a lot of different versions supposedly, they're mostly acoustic. Hitchhiking stuff, but they're all they've all been kind of released semi to me. It sounds like chrome dreams was most likely American stars and bars mixed with hitchhiker. This is my favorite playlist because I looked up a few this and I'll just tell you the track list. Pocahontas, will to love starve Bethlehem like homegrown like a hurricane too far gone. Hold back the tears homegrown captain, Kennedy String Man Sedan delivery powder finger, and then look out for my love. Now, the things I read about it was that powder finger would have been acoustic like on hitchhiker which I, love which is Great. And sedan delivery would have been very slow. There's supposedly that was really slow. Okay. Powder powder fingers great acoustic I like it more acoustic than I do in the was it live rusty did it or was it a well that was he did it on Yeah I I like it too. But I prefer the full crazy horse something about the slow version. We Really Soak up those lyrics man that's a dark great fucking Song Yeah like that Lyon Man just like It's just like ocean girl due to just fucking. Hugh. We hold on you really think. Do. You think that this really is the origin of yacht rock wasn't there I mean the Dube's and there was other bands that were this one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six but wasn't there wasn't but you gotta think of all the stuff me when was seals and Croft that was later in the seventies even this was the birth of are you thinking of England Dan and John Ford Coley? Every Solo Michael McDonald Song is based our landfills are you thinking Orleans well even? Know Little River band little river band on but there's a toto's eighties Sotos. Eight. Fuck. I'm I just feel like there was a couple of bands that were rupert? Holmes? Maybe. Even. was. Over homes when was that? That was late seventies seventy S. Captain Kitchen the. Shooter. Cross right even some some America stuff was Kinda America yeah. Early. Rip Off. Their total neil ripple. I remember I remember taking a lot of pride a feeling. My Dad loves bread. Everybody's parents. Love Bred. Horse. With no name was at Bremen. That's a America. Want you. Yeah. Okay. What was kind of like that song. Why like it? Let me tell you why pill? Yes. But let me tell you ever see the movie stuck on you. Yes. Great. That movie Yes. You remember at the end when when Greg Kinnear D- bangs the thing and it's Maybe. Loved you the. Circle Yeah it's so funny and it matches that scenes so well, and it's like. It's just that saw that movie. Made me appreciate that. As a song without that course. But because of that movie I really liked this isn't your rock. But who is Ventura highway that's seals and America it's American I. Love That's on. I don't know I like that song a lot so. Oh Wounded Kyo Lou only reminds me of. The happy Gilmore Soundtrack is nothing to fuck with. Ten. Years. I don't know breakfast. Not to bring up the. fucking soundtracks starts with Tuesday's gone with the wind, which is so fucking good. I. Don't know I. Don't care what you think about skinner that song that's rates in Credit I. Love Skinner wait a minute. Wait a horse with no name and venture a highway. Those were all like seventy two men. Canyon. That was that was. Rocket all know their derivative of old especially. Neil Young. Name is a hundred percent. Process. And like some that song came on somewhere somehow and every. One of my friends was like, oh. Yeah. You like Neil Young right and I'm like this is not nearly and I was so proud that I knew that it was American not, Neil. Stills Nash and young set the template for what records. Wanted you know the thought they'd thought would make money and some what said. Some. Breeze. When was summer breeze? Typo negative does superior version of. Oh. My God. It's so good and it's up right now. Yeah it is one of the. It's such a good good. It's way better than the original. Right Oh. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. was that though I wasn't that that was like seventy, seventy two. So it wasn't really yeah, I mean like I think this but this sound man if you think about. This is not the version this typo negative but I know. I didn't. Take a handful more pills and listen to this whole. Breezes off. This is fucking great man typo negatives like such an underrated man they got their fucking do. You can hear the river breath. Auto. Wow. Yeah that's Peter Steele. The late great Peter Steele had balls the size of Fuckin-. Basketball Donkey balls they were call, and now the original I also believe Typo. On rock this sucks soak the little. I don't hate some agrees. Bearable. Because it's so sing along. This is awful. It's. Just the course I like this parts, but this great is good to. Shut the fuck. That's all I wanna say this guy shut the fuck off L. A. Seals Sunburn. Diet. Yes. Seals and fucking frosts. Everybody knows the only real Croft is from SID and Marty Kroft. Yeah man this was seventy two. Oh. I. Still This birth the Rock we know it though. Okay. Come on all that other shitty stuff that we were talking about. Condom long run the song Y- rest of the album. I mean, I don't know what else much else there is to say I did want to propose to you guys to maybe to do the opposite to you get to cut three off of this. And maybe you just three that's not fair. So he plays later once three worst is what I'm saying you're three least favorite, and then I want you to pick one or majors play a little bit of the last that you're like guilty pleasures or you're like, you're like Allah and you can include long may you run? He says of the last four just so we hear every little bit so. Let it shine see I like this I don't mind I liked the song. This doesn't have that same. This sounds like. He could have easily kept this. Stars involved. On a Neil. And it's loose, I don't mind this. Job The same production upshaw. It's the really the only one that sounds why. Is it still doing the harmony right there I think so. This one I like. I like. I like this one to. All right. So one after that as. Twelve is a cool line in blue. Eight. This is Stephen Stills going I can play like Jeff, Beck? The. Germans. So still. You know superstars stills. Also kind of reminds me of some. Shittier. You like little love. Good. I haven't thought you were going to bash because I little too little. We're actually working on a cover of willin. That's such. That's like their best to great. All right so that Okay I will say this out of all the still songs this one's. Probably, the better one it's it's it's not as Shitty as the other. So I mean. You know what I'm saying. Finally found. I don't hate this. Do. This one's interesting to me because it its has this that Florida imagery like Florida on homegrown like meal has this vision of Florida being like the worst. Play, a lot of people do actually, but meal in particular has vision of the worst of America, at that time was in Florida. The way he describes this this hotel. because. There's this little actual tests Nice Guitar too the Neil's guitar. That's what I mean. All the time. Yeah. I can see what you said. Berko go to the chorus ocean girl but she certainly as I loved it, Luke doesn't like the ones that. Chorus. Wires just one. The color of the. This the the way it ends is my least favorite song on the whole record. This is eighty s garbage here were song. So you'll ahead of their time they. This is picture someone's skateboarding from the vision quest. Track. Or gleaming the cube yeah. Yeah. So this that little grip there that's just send out in this. Did that when the police? They were Adrian message in the bottle. Was Nineteen Eighty. 'CAUSE that's justice. So the police rip this off or someone down oh no, no, no no I think the police were smarter. With Socks. This is my demo like vicious favored. This is fucking. This is like what do they call that smooth jazz? It's like fucking Shitty Smooth Jazz lyrically and musically. This Yet but you you're talking Gazza. But again. The players are dude job. Yeah. They all musicians are awesome. Piano those drums it's very jazz. Those are solid musicians. It's yes. You're not wrong. It's just it's grow. It's good. It's not a good song maybe if there was no singing on that too I don't know I appreciate them. Yes I agree yeah. I disagree even on that one at something about it no, I wouldn't. It wouldn't be anywhere near like top million excluding excluding long may young yes you have to pick to to to keep. Off this one let it shine. Pick lettuce shine. and. Why said to 'cause I, Knew End Fountain Blue Really Yeah, I picked that one to realize that's the only one that has any kind of end. It doesn't have that Shit Yok interesting. Yeah. Yeah. You guys don't want to hear mine I'm we already know it's probably ocean girl? No blind. On the best midnight on the Bay Oh God why? Why? Would you say make love to you were unplugging the Mike. I would understand that. It's Probably let it shine. It's a great fucking Song my number three. Yeah. Three I mean nausea. No you know what this song issue. This is you when you get your next Italian sub and you UNWRAP that new unwrapped that fucking. what do you call it that bugging paper? What's that kind of paper that it's like butcher pay? You on rap that people the more yellow. So sway you see that kappa cold just fucking poking out you oil and vinegar. Ga.. I WanNa put you on. What's what's the best one you've had recently. Palmas. Tell us. Tonight. Almost, bakery. Because they have the they make the fresh baked rolls. Just sucks up all the oil and vinegar. And the meats baby. Impact that made in shoe. Awesome needs. Youngsters out there who are thinking about fresh hunt beat Iran and fresh fresh rolls the. I knew gone straight out of the years so hot we toast the though roles but you know you know we don't trust the roles of the. And you know what? No pickles on this one are there shoe so hard? and. Daily character. To. Save Half Lehto. Fridge and find my baby I'M GONNA. Take the rest own. I was lowliest. To Delo. Thank you palm bakery for that. Sensual experience. Did you have the super? Italian. Stallion yet not yet. Okay. Which one are you? Were you talking about the Anti daily character? Is that the one where he does the poems the? No that's the. That's the cowboy. One I'm talking about the one where he plays that director and he's he's always he's talking about different plays and then he starts getting really he's like Oh yeah there's one for the one for the fellows and he's left and we bring out the ladies. Bizarre. Carried that he does. Comedy Bang Bang at all. No so andy daily does this character and he's like this local theater reviewer and east he always. Start talking like this and he's like sound like this old school guy and then he starts getting more and more into, and then he starts grunting and he's Apparently, he's come out of this as one for the girls girls come out. and. All. I wonder if that's Neil singing backup, that'd be so because they're seeing that with each. Bit, Neal's listening to playback going. This was a bad idea. Yes, especially, he's probably having flashbacks to this when you hear stills drunkenly fucking pooping over the CB radio on him triumphantly hooping I wanNA talk to Neil Hey buddy meal. Breaker one. Suck I wrote Tree Jody Blue I, and I'M GONNA call you come buddy you. You hurt my feelings when you when you got crazy horse is that still is that you're yeah. That's my stills because he's a fucking why did he sound like the nutty professor from the sixty sounds like that dude from the Jerky Boys. Bring all my shoes and my glasses. All right. What's This song to me though is it's so bad. It's good like it Ha- it's. Like it's like the throat on at a party it's like the room. Yeah. So stills what do you think is do you think Guardian angels the worst? That's my like easy. No really. Dude Ocean girl or midnight on the midnight on the Bay Black Coral. Sorry. Neil but that's just terrible. Gauche girl actually notion girls worse than that because he mentioned the drink the. Play, we didn't do that. One I mean is he trying to be Jimmy Buffett Jimmy? Buffett's pretty active around time. Is He yeah. Seventy six, he's he's writing his best stuff as the next verse. So before that. So. Bad. Luke loves it. Is the beginning of the song. It's your way too far minutes and it's in the beginning. There it is. Drink Tall. Good God blew out my flip flops. Yeah. Stepped on a Bob Yeah garbage. Sorry. I'm sorry. FROZEN FROZEN SALT rimmed garbage. Yes. Can't get enough. To make it enough. No, I can't get. Off, shoes already got a deep voice drops two octaves every time we do it, I can feel it among. Youngsters in you yet as right youngsters. All right. We got to stop this. Stop. There's one thing I wanNA to mention before we before we wrap it up I, pull up on twitter. About. Youngsters I'm glad you keep up with the twitter because that's the one thing that I don't I'm not familiar with at all I'll get all go on once and. It was buffet was like the year after this as far as. Margarita. Ville, and some of that shit was a years after. So probably his cousin Marvin Buffet heard Warren Buffett said, you know what? I'm not much of a singer like my brother Jimmy if you. Look at these fucking names of these Jimmy Buffett songs we novel. fucking awful. My head hurts my feet stink and I love Jesus. Literally, there's when I look on Google. It's it goes from grapefruit juicy fruit grapefruit to bomb a breeze to juicy fruit. Parrot had case. It's like Lease Burger in paradise. FIMS pirate looks at forty. I worked at a radio station in Richmond Virginia every day to twenty both drink at break up. Songs. Jimmy. Buffett buy every day to twenty. I had to do that. You did that and I had to sell it but people love. Jimmy. By people like you know what fucking still sells out stay north though Jimmy Buffett has a couple of really good tunes. I hate parrot heads yeah. You people fucking suck like it's like. It's like deadheads like I. Love the grateful dead. fucking can't stand hanging out with dead heads. They're just fucking obnoxious I disagree with you. Most deadheads I don't have a problem with, but I know you mean about the fans, right? Rick and Morty fans, right. There's there's fascists in every scene. Yeah. It doesn't matter what it s buffet, Rick and Morty, there's always that guy going well, of course there's okay guys. We're those with me. Look we don't put people down for not knowing that Neil bought two yachts before he you didn't know that. On. The bootleg he mentions that the one that they didn't Charlotte. The tour Blah Blah Blah. We're not like that I mean we'll shit on people but for legitimate reasons and parrot heads are just fucking obnoxious with their doctor shorts and they're fucking mackin Nudo cigars and shitting in those five gallon buckets they buy at home depot. Fuck those guys. But if there's a parrot head podcast on the Pantheon podcast network I apologize. For Probably PODCAST rivals whatever fuck like that I wanna get I wanNA have a good podcast rival. Dylan podcast. Yeah, but feel like we we all like, yeah that's right. Yeah. So we have no. I would do. It doesn't have to be the subject matter. Not would my next one? Those guys an email you know they used to be radio wars like not. Really serious things but like one for some of them were they really the FBI was very serious illegal actually got hurt really street teamers would fight in the street like one. One of our street teamers broke his wrist punching A. B. C. N. street teamer in the face. Weird. There was there was all sorts of graffiti. that was covered up and painted over covered up painted growth was this toucher and rich Arabs Ian or was this was no it was. It ended around that time. It was like mid nineties to early two thousands you were there. I was there I got there in ninety nine and it was like full-on. Like you. Like there was like. All sorts of fuck and muscling position for vehicles shows presenting shows in speaking on stage, and then the most famous thing is the BBC en la like they. They took the presents away from I forget what band was. It was like disturbed or something like that, and so they had someone like Nick Carter somebody got on stage or whatever I don't know who it was and the crowds chanting af and they wouldn't let them talk. That's fucking. Shit went down. Boost the ratings for everyone. It's entertaining for for from CIDER Berry Fun to listen to. What if someone would say? As, a big OPIE and Anthony Guy from back in the day like when they would talk show about Howard or someone from when when they did. Jock. Tober. Do you remember this at all Chuck Tober? So they did they did a bit called Jock. Tober where they would. I mean, it's really bad but they would just like look at like kind of different morning zoo shows around the Oh yeah. They would just play the like. Just rip it apart rip it apart and then Pour Jim Norton would have to go to these radio stations to promote his shows in the area wouldn't know ahead of time so they'd be like yeah yeah, you talked about us on October and he's like I'm so sorry I just. Yup. That's great. Yeah. Missile those who radio yeah. I don't miss that at all we were in it. It's it was it was. Hard that I did not participate in any of that. I did not say anything on the air you will. Talk Shit about this one particular broadcaster I think his name's Josh Dolan I've heard you talk about well, that's different because he worked with me. As opposed to working at a rival station. I was like while those guys across the street aren't too bad but this fuck that I work with. Shit wait a minute suck someone's girlfriend. To fucking be saddled with the sky the best description ever to Dole in this book that I got to work. I will say breaking the great the pass we love Josh. Do can you please bring up? I didn't get to listen the episode yet. But what did he say about Frankie Muniz what comparison? Deity make? I don't WanNa. Do this you don't want to. Plug the Department yes. So breaking Mike, is on another podcast called Breaking Josh. Dolan's is a great podcast. It's great used to work with Josh Dolan's W. We're I grew up with Josh. Josh. Josh is super talented very funny guy. But he shoe brought up like movies that that couldn't be released. Now we talked about like blazing saddles. Yes. Sure and animal house didn't bring up re did you bring up prevention the words? No. Seen. Even like scary movie stuff like that. It doesn't won't. Back. To the future no one wants to talk about the fact that was going to Rape Marty, right? Yeah exactly. It's funny. Hey. You you get your damn hands off or do you really think I should swear but so no Mike probably would've been fine if he did jacket voice. No. I'm not going to do it. It's. Got So anyway. Brought up you get your man swap offer. Brought up Manhattan which is a woody. Allen movie. Woody, Allen had had or has a yeah he's not. He's not a pension for issue at although what are you talking about? Well, in that movie his character he's basically himself movies. Yeah. is going out with a high school girl. He's like a forty year old guy and there's a scene where they're in bed together after having sex and she's like I. GotTa Go Home I've homework gotta do. Right. But it's like if you watch that movie, it is such a beautifully Phil Movie. First of all, it's in black and white. Of. The most beautiful maker. Beautiful Black and white movies I've ever seen and it's a love letter to New York. He shows like just the most beautiful scenes of new. York. Manhattan specifically. But getting back now we're getting into another touchy subject, but it's the same way with cosby where or even Louis you can't take away how fucking prolific. These guys, but ballots tough to watch and see. The. Film that was such a huge failure rate. Cut to a scene where. Like, yeah. So I mentioned the the movie in and. Seeing and everything. Like you said the cinematography? Jay. How it told like it just showed New York in this really brilliant light, and then he touched to that shoe talked for like five minutes and it was just I was like I'm remembering Manhattan I'm remembering this and then judge just goes. It's like the scene in a stuck on new with Frankie Muniz and share right? Choose like. Yeah I? Okay. Can Josh That's really like that's his. Because his mind was just like Frankie Muniz. was. Trying to. Do like a role reversal. I guess. Love Josh Breaking the ice podcast. Yeah. Check it out. Make sure you listen to. The MOJO Kevin how his last barbary. He's Very far like the elephant. Bar. Okay. It's Barberie and it's not Barbara. Barberie, it's Barberie like the pirates. WanNa listen to you guys talked highly about him and I just saw the clip of him doing. Your extremely that was really neat. He's a super was. Did he come to your place. He was one of the rocket shot guys he yeah. He him in like three other people started that now he owns it outright. So he's GonNa. Once things hopefully open up he's going to continue to have it, and then he's GonNa take it on tour. John. D. From few episodes ago huge rock and shock was back on the day. He's a big horror movie guy and that's one of the best conventions out there. He yells John goes to that. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, is there anything else to say about this? Shit all over fucking long. May you run? We gave it a little more loved than I thought know there was a couple of there's a couple of redeeming things on there, but it's not an album that I go back to. What you know unless I want to get busy with the wife right and then I think. I think the wife you mean, the next Italian sub. That's right. That's I. Sit in the car before I go in an order it I get all psyched. I'M GONNA ask for hots and I don't want the banana peppers and then we can just see the oil and vinegar drip all over your show. All. Over the I come home. My wife is like you've been eating again. No I haven't. She's like. Your shorts smell the Oregano. Next up is, is American stars then is a decade I think it's American stars think it's American stars and bars. Are we going to go by the Neil Young archives. Reliable source than missed because if we are than American stars and borrowing and I really wanted to do decade on the tenth episode, I feel like that would have been great. Is. That would that be the tenth episode we can do that because. Dating to spotify next is decade according to spotify is but according to archives it's not but let's just do decade because it's the tenth episode. Let's rank them. Okay. Who was who said that was locked locker? Yeah. All right. So we should ranked the album so far I liked. That together, obviously, not including this one. We can. No let's rank them, and then I had a few different ideas and we can be if you're listening and you want to get involved in. Make you. Could. If you could this is for next week. I. Mean Listen a decade. It's. Obviously it's. Exciting, just talk about Arrow if you could add. If you could add to it fucking hate that too. Are you serious I'm totally serious J. Broken Arrow it really fucking annoys let's let's let's talk about it next week. All right but if you could add those stuff in it, that's good is so good. If, you could if the good stuff is in, it is ruined by all the other crap. All right we'll get to it was going to say if you're listening and you want to participate and give your input if you could add anything to decade or take away because it's pretty much neal's just saying, this is all the shit that I love. This is what I've done up. Yeah. Because there's a few that I'm surprised that he didn't throw on there but I don't know if you WANNA throw in years. Or is it we'll get to it. Thought, it was just kind of the sort of hits or the ones that he felt like putting on that he thought he wouldn't I. Don't think it was just the hits because I mean, no, no not just the hits but just the stuff that. He sort of thought would enjoy not necessarily his parents. Well, let's wait till. For that. So we're GONNA do the ranking. If you WANNA give us your rank wait hold on though you Mr. Soul. I love. All my just wanted to clear that such a great tune. Yeah I love that. Okay. All right. Let's Let's start to get out of this year. Shoot you WANNA take us out. He knew it was. Don't forget you can follow long. May You Young? Our facebook page. that. CHECK US out. On twitter big. At Long May you young same thing I G. You Won't be lonesome on Instagram. Follow along the young. Stephen. And then there's the very sexy sub read. The Neil Young sub reddit if you get into the red thing is alive groovy cats. Lot Of. Sexy. People. Talking about Neil Young. And we'd love to hear your thoughts and all that I watch. On what you think Neil how he makes you feel. When you WANNA listen to Neil when you choose. How you choose. You WanNa make love to kneel we WANNA know bots at youngsters. We WanNa make love to you. Oh, I, didn't go through my head and gets my poll. Your poll? Let's. Learn. How do we get diverted from pull music? Excellent, good. So I pull up on twitter. And I think you're really going to enjoy this. So. This is from the past twenty, four hours. I said. Spent ongoing debate on the past couple episodes for those of you listen too long. They you young what would you like to be known as? I put youngsters. YOUNGINS and dealers. A boy and buy one percents nealer. What out on top. Really I think this thirty seven percent, thirty, six percents at Youngins and twenty seven percents at youngster. Young Stars because twenty seven Neil would keep that because people don't like. What's up with that? We'll get into the next next. Okay. All right. We get me in Russia showed shoe are twenty seven senators. if based off of this on ocean. Girl. faulk. No I can we do a facebook? Poll I'll do instagram. Let's do and we'll combine the total and then people can fight it out I. mean if they're. Hardcore dealers did you do a dash or anything or done on? Name L. E. R. S. and youngins just like young an an and Apostrophe S.. Oh really. Still youngins you'd young and then an in the pastas. Okay. All right. Let's let's. Let's be done with the. Guys you're listening. We're proud member of the Pantheon. Not Ready to hang up just. European. Still not ready to hang up from this. Off. Loans. I was A. Great episode and. Chris Hardwick. This is talking young, and now we're here to. The episode that we. You know what else I wanNA do for this is that episode I? Think it's crank yankers when the idea of see crank yankers. and. It's one of the guys calls like sex chat and he's like Abbie. Like, she'll answer now we're like black lacy underwear. Throw else. What you do want you. That's Why Certainly made me nauseous. Like it's it's literally upsetting my stomach. Stephen, stills like chatting up some chick talion sub it's coming out. Oh God. Oh. You guys were totally wrong I. Hope You die in a car accident. Hey. 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Long May You Young 15: Human Highway

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1:43:38 hr | 5 months ago

Long May You Young 15: Human Highway

"What are you laughing at? Two in the same thing digs workman. Seeing. We should have a thing. Mostly just for you and me because I feel like she doesn't get his ashes talking to said as much. Oh I do. There's just the good ones we should start upon just. Doesn't he doesn't like. He's like radio trained but for every time radio train will you can't just be like on the radio just go. then. He won't be. Whoever does it the most shipped to keep a tab if you do it more than me? I get five bucks. Or vice versa or one has to drink a whole milk beer at the end. But fine. What amongst out or are you gonna mix milk with beer? Isn't there some make you? Or is some show where they talk about there's a lot of milken sunny. No I know. Oh Yeah. Don't they do don't they have a beer milk thing in the CROWS MILL ALC- yeah. There'll be a lot of milk mentions on this episode ladies and Gentlemen Forbid Four were warned here we should. We should warn people have a few things. Okay. Lot of milk references Lana Milton. Most people have not seen human highway nor heard of it. So they'll be one hundred spoilers and you're not going to know what the fuck is going on. So like a normal long may you young podcast? Yeah. You'll be disoriented and pissed off by the end. At, the end of the episode we're going to get naked pour milk on ourselves and drink it from stress. I did not know this. I. Didn't bring a bathing suit wearing bathing suits. completely naked. This is really gross. That's the neal way really. Way. That's going to be the disturbing part also. I realized there's this Stephen King podcast that I've listened to before it's just called the Stephen King cast. Yeah. Like about it is it. A he goes through every. On logical order that one dude of release yet not to dude. To. Hang onto one king. I've heard those guys like the top of the line clearly are I mean they really don't have a podcast that's true. Not yet but Forty Stephen King anyway what I liked about it was whatever book I was reading I I would go with like when I was finished I would go listened to that episode. And so I had this little anxiety. That's a dramatic word but. Where I was like we maybe should do some kind of. A little bit of just letting people know what the fuck we're talking about as far as our ramblings in the beginning now no, you don't think. So because if people will find out, they've type in the podcast and they're like, Oh, I wanna go listen to the episode on you know whatever whichever one and. I've Russ. All right. I see what you're saying what he means. So that way they can like, say listen to the our ramblings before we x Ray and they don't have any idea what the fuck the jacket voices are like donkey bill, the podcast, my brother, my brother and me yeah great podcast. Yes. They do that little intro where they're like vicious are Blah Blah Blah and it's like a silly way to let people know what the podcast is. We could do something like that. Yeah, just. We should just post a glossary I like that idea to you know I can write up or put a word up on the facebook page every a youngster every week. Yeah. Youngster Wiki. Someone we'll make that eventually I believe that sounds like something. That's like it's like a chat room for NAMBLA. Welcome the youngster wicky. Would you like a? Milky White Russian Chat Room for NAMBLA. Youngster. Worried, man. This. Past where we mostly talk. Through. Of Mr. Is My shoe. On. Trans and artist and On. A. I. This is Mike Shoe and listen. I'll tell you what you were going to hit the thing to the only. The only Neil Young podcast existence of. You can't get it anywhere else. I thought you were going to hit the thing. I am but I can only play one sound clip at a time I'm sorry. Isn't this isn't the Pike Mike. Okay I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes. Welcome to long they you young the only Neil Young In existence done by Neil young experts who are here today instead you got me and you got luke and Russ, you said that wrong Mike. Journalists. Oh that's right. Journalist journalistic integrity. That's right. We are actually journalists according to one of our critics and we really were really flattered. Read we're really flattered by that. We're going to get to the reviews Murray back negative. I think it was which made me happy. I don't want Alpaca. Behaviors we don't know you want you want at least a reaction. And you know this guy's GonNa listen again to see if we mentioned him and we are. Absolutely definitely will again, we'll get to that in a little bit. What we do here on long. May you young as we go through Neil Young's musical catalogue by release but this time we're taking a break and we're going to talk about his movies, a couple of his movies, one being human highway and the other one being the concert film rust never sleeps and and then we'll as we go on, we'll do some other movies too. He's got a bunch of great movies Greenvale Yup. Concerts trunk show, Berlin article yet hardy gold and and then he's got some really interesting stuff. I. Was Watching on the Neil Young archives. Last week the the Muddy River. One of you guys watch that at all, it's not like he hired a German like. Video crew. To film him for Crazy Horse tour through Germany. And it's it's really it's actually really good. I mean, the sound and the and the. You know it's not edited very well, and but it's like perfect for what it is. It's about a Neil young and crazy horse tour and they're like riots that went on and. At one of the shows and he complains because they had to play under a tent at one show is like a giant. October fest tent or something like that. It's well worth checking out. Yeah. Yeah. We we should cover that that Daryl Hannah paradox movie. Yeah Oh. Yeah. We should definitely do down the road because that's like an album I think to this is. The real ones? It's kind of a refreshing break not not really like, but it's I. Feel like this is still going to be a long. It's GonNa be it's GonNa be long and right? I mean. It's also I mean there's there's a lot to say along say movies there's a lot of. There's just a lot of questions especially in human highway, which I love will surely you know we'll. We'll do we'll get into it but I mean it's it's like it was kind of like Neil Young's. Entrance into the eighties. With this film yeah. It's a very early eighties film, but we'll. We'll get into that in a little bit. We want to remind you that we do have the long. May you young facebook page? You can check us out there were on twitter at long. May You young also on? we also post stuff on the Neil Young sub read it on, read it, and do we have any Do we have any stuff we want to? So we want to get into literally one minute ago we got a review, not a review, a facebook message from someone named Elliott Moses I'm going to read it. Okay said, okay. My lady turned me onto your podcast. She heard the episode with Nils and Doug It told me I'd love it I still haven't listened to it yet though I decided to start from the beginning and as I work on the assembly line. At Ford I got nothing but time to kill you guys are hilarious. Love what you're doing. Keep it up by the way. Tonight's the night. Is My all time favorite album animal I checked out town meeting. Great stuff. There you go. Yes. Lucan Lucan, Russ are in the band town meeting so you should definitely check them out damn right We got one review on I tunes one more five Star Review. If you leave us a five star review on I, tunes will read it. If you leave us five-star reviews anywhere else that's great I don't know how to get to them. Would keep doing them anyway. this is from someone called painted eight says highly entertaining within the hilarious chaos that runs through these episodes is a fantastic chemistry between the hosts and an appropriate appreciation for Neil's great music I. Love This podcast. Wow I. feel like I need to read that again with like light British music behind it. Post. Within the hilarious chaos that runs through these episodes, it's a fantastic chemistry between the hosts pro end inappropriate appreciation for Neil's drink. Too many appropriate creation. What's all this this? A few proper peas we have we listen we're blown up in Great Britain we are. We're huge in Europe. Right. You know just doing it or just like the Hof Elliott, we are huge in Europe we'll do it tore will bring Dan Mosh pit bull. German filmmakers. That's. Ever. German filmmakers and we will tour Europe will tour arenas and then we'll come air. We'll play loor garage. Dan Mosh pit. Yeah. It's got to be the security guy. Yawovi so disappointing. We. Tell them to come on over those needs. This real skinny nerdy looks he's like basically annual and human. We're like Hey dan wash, join us on the road and goes. To, we can do it yeah. Yeah You've been in a shoe you've. Enough, to know that. That's the guy you better. Look the Fuck Oh. Yeah. Never underestimate someone the guy that's GonNa start swinging yep he's got like a coat hanger wrapped around his Fist Yes dad never played catch with them. Never gets. Never played got. Denmark's boots dead sucks. You we didn't play catch just bashed me over the head with a football. Over and over again, you hit me low. Put Cigarette, butts out on. March would failed trying out for the PATS. took it out on me and by Pats I mean a group of guys in my neighborhood named Pat wouldn't let me play with them. Gang. All right. Dan Loves IT WHEN A group of guys that are all named pattern again. I just blew out the. Microphone. You. Stuff. Okay so this Guy Bob Deneen. The great work as always as for the Rust never sleeps. So Nice to hear from nails again. you should check out. He did He posted an article from Yachting magazine. About the w what is it? The WS ragland the other yacht neil has not the evening coconut lesser-known yacht a bigger one with the sales. Yeah and apparently that's like how you should do yachts according to Yachting magazine. And then Here's one from talking idiot on read it. I'm several episodes behind working through harvest now, but I love your podcast, the verbal abuse, incessant hassling of each other and general asshole ARY is great. I'll finish harvest over the next several days since you made it half a day long keep it up really looking forward to episodes from certain albums. and. There was Oh do you want to get to the I? Love the term General Asshole Ary? Yes. I think that's probably the best description of us today eight. Do you want to get to the The to the comment where the gentlemen on facebook accused us of being journalists more than you encouraging so apparently WHO POSTED Who posted that someone posted a link to? There's a Neil young fanzine, right am I saying that right? Yeah. I'll pull up his name right now and he his he also over in England yes and he are negative critics. Eat is no guy that really likes. What he in season. Yes posted on his page. He's got a Neil fanzine and he's sent him as some copies but he talked about how much liked the light the rust never sleeps episode and how much he loves the song. Thrasher and hey hey, my my and just like a really good I when we'll definitely will talk about his fanzine when we get the cop absolutely but then he posted about us on, was it his fanzines facebook page yes I think so yeah but it's It was great. You want me to read it or please. All right. Absolutely. Awful. Don't waste your time who are these people who can't complete a sentence without cussing or profaning? Whatever happened to proper journalism. Signed Edward R murrow no. I don't WanNa. Say The guy's. Name. Okay so a few things one I mean, he's not wrong. No He's not. He's not wrong at all. No, and I mean, he's wrong I. One part was the part we are not journalists we're not sexy. You're not on they speak for yourself. We are not sexy Denmark is. Actually I. Am you I'm sexy look at these frigging gones. A gun check also. Rumours meetings over here weren't swears over in England. I've seen enough monty python to know that the word fuck is better than things like what did they say? It's like bloody bloody bed. TWAS WATT. TWATS. Anyway What do they say like shiver my timbers, right Bubbly. Gumbo them. I think that's A. Good. British swear bloody. GonNa. Improv not now. Physically Wiggle nope. Hey Dude, if you want journalists trying to post on Instagram Cami Wiggle. You loved it I. Gave You some Improv. Read Shaky by Jimmy McDonough Adrian that line thing gave you half Nice. So we are not journalists. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for thinking we are. Yes. We still take that as a yeah. Absolutely. You know what? All of Y'all of your statements are true except for the journalists part, but that's more flattering than anything else. So thank you. Yeah, and you know what? I'm fine with him and I'm Gonna I'M GONNA. Welcome him into the open arms of the youngsters. Yeah. That gentleman we'll call him the angry young. The angry young angry youngster. That's. And finally from the facebook based Scott Parks, on fifty four minutes into part. One of the Rust Never Sleeps episode and you guys haven't talked about track one yet and I fucking love it. I know that the jagged voice kills. Russ but I'm not joking when I say I'll donate twenty dollars. A month of Russ only uses the jagged voice. Hashtag do it anymore so we now have a code. 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Nails got his own catchphrase right nells does pay us in now I was GonNa say, well, that's literally. Jacket he's a big help. I know. But I'm not and just keep getting boxes of fucking nails that I don't need. Have you guys noticed that nails lofgren seems to slowly be morphing into a different character who goes ooh. Sounds exactly like Mr Kubi. Wouldn't be surprised. In. The next. Commercial. E. Mails butthole. Settle Lionel switch gone. WHOA. SEGUE. Also remember that thing I said at the top of the podcast I was like, yeah for people who might want to just go listen to the album that they just listened to that episode whatever episode based on the album legislation to, and then they go like someone comes across they watch rust never sleeps and they're like, Oh these guys did an episode on Rust Never Sleeps, the film I'll go check that episode and that's what they here at the top of the. Sponsor we have to the fuck that was well over sixty seconds right Again Has Been The people at the Pantheon podcast network who were part of are not going to be very happy. Also, I feel like that is pretty appropriate to this episode. Yes. Do you have anything else or can we get right into this? Fucking I mean are you? Did you did you make that clip for shoe? Let's do that. How many? Four. Yes sir. Every. Part of. Breaking of. The answer probably. Children. And have. Coughing. What Is. The point. My. Sticking out your rear that's my favorite line right there. The answer is sticking out your read. Nice. Beautiful. Beautiful. You guys should break the fourth wall and let people know that what just happened well, that Javan. MOTU. Luke if he could piece together the end of human highway this right by yes. boogie boy is it boogie or boozers Luigi Notes Buji Bucci look it up. It's supposed to be pronounced boogie really J. in it because he. Went to put it on something they. Couldn't they ran out of the lettering so they had to so they had to make way. Yeah. If you look it up like do they made a like you can you can find out that the reason it's spelled that way it was originally supposed to be boogie boy but they in whatever they were printing it on they ran out of lettering or couldn't afford the extra lettering or something. So they made it to the J I or whatever. And but it was originally supposed to be pronounced bogey. They ran out of Jeez. Yeah. Like the G in the. Title. Man. You know you're devaux. Ahead of your time making money they couldn't they. Oh my God I'm. There's if you. If you really look into it, you can find it I, found it, and that was where that game. Well that's my favorite line right there at the answer is sticking out your but I, love you. Yes you told Luke to do some. there. So that's a Neil. Neil covers blowing in the wind in was on wells on weld. Any he starts off with like war noises. A lot of like. Scary Shit which is a lot acumen highway elements and. In the end of the movie human highway. boogie boy. From devaux. He does he says this parody ish version like just spoken word of blowing in the wind called blowing out year breaking breaking in the raids breaking in the winter. And it's supposed to be like a far right I mean. Yeah. He's all over the you know the the hippie anthem. Yeah. Yeah. Because it doesn't mean Shit doesn't world's going to end it, which is funny because I think even Bob Dylan said, yeah this is not everyone said this was a protest song and anthem for this time and I don't know what that's about. He's already moved on. It's the perfect ending almost like the perfect summation of what this movie is. It's like a grossly. Almost childish humor. Version of. The end of the world it's the world through the eyes of a kid who's laughing at farts. It's it's very eighties in the sense that. You guys weren't even born yet. So I was born in eighty five. All right. Well, I wasn't I was I was a teenager in the eighties. Okay and so every day and we've seen them all in the. Thank you. That's a good one. Good Molly every day you it was much like the the newscasts in the movie every day you we were on the verge of nuclear war with Russia. Every single day I don't know about my fellow. You know old people who grew up in the eighties but I would have nightmares very often about nuclear war like hide under. Hide under your desk. No by the by the eighties that was. That was all bullshit. Everybody knew that getting on your desk wasn't GonNa do anything if a fucking. Went off near your building. I never had new nightmares except I watched Terminator Two with my Godfather Dave Holland Shoutout Dave Holland for let me watch terminator two and I was like seven. But that scene at the beginning with the the nuke that goes off th there's a I. think it's Linda Hamilton holden the chain link fencing on the new goes off and it's Just a skeleton I used to scare me. Yeah I mean it's well, that's what we that's what we thought like. It could happen any time you know, and then they had movies about it all the time, and then it was like in the news this happened with Russia and this APP, Russia so that you know that atop getting over what happened at Three Mile Island. You with that is right. I've heard of it. That was a nuclear plant Harrisburg Pennsylvania that had a meltdown in Pennsylvania yeah. Yeah. Late seventies and it was it was like one of the first nuclear accidents in the world. Did you hear about this I? Didn't I never? Three Mile Island in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. So we read about Chernobyl, but I never read it. They accidentally let out. Radioactive Steam. into the air while it was going on and so the people around the Harrisburg area and center Pennsylvania like okay. So we're breathing this stuff in now. And that was the big accident part and so this this whole thing about. Nuclear Energy in the eighties it was like nuclear energy. It's like a miracle thing. We can power our electric forever and all the stuff at the same time. It was like something we shouldn't be fucking with and it was gonNA eventually destroy us in the form of missiles and stuff like that. So that's Why I say this move is very early eighties because that was like a prevalent thing all the time and the I think that's basically you know the Linear Valley thing he has going there everybody works at the nuclear power plant everybody's glowing. Yeah. That to me that's very eighties thing because it was like you couldn't do anything but laugh about it we wanted our electricity you couldn't shut down the nuclear power plants although they try. Jackson Browne tried really hard. And it happened with the no nukes concert you. But yeah, you know so to me and then. All the bright coloring and something happened in the Eighties where Once it became nineteen eighty all of a sudden. We were in modern times like this is going to be the age of the jet pack and the flying car and bus trips to the moon and shit like that. But also at the same time and I think this came. To everything was day glow and stuff like that. But I think when Reagan became president, there was also this thing where. It was like we want to go back to the way it was in the fifties where everything was good and white and nobody nobody like there was no trouble in our politicians could be trusted. So there was this retro fifties thing that came in with this space-age modern thing time. So you had a lot of fifty style coming back Neil Kinda took advantage of that with everybody's Rockin you know and the had not just the music but the fashion. The haircuts and then sometimes the attitude dislike fifties attitude came in there. So he had a lot of that in this movie to a good point I've I've never really I've when you say that I'm like absolutely but I never made that connection. You've always just kind of under the surface known it. Yes. Once. You point that I'm like Oh. Shit you're. A modern fashion but it had this fifties retro thing with the skinny ties right and yes loser like that and pointing shoes if you watched back to the future to you would know even more. I'll get to that Russell don't you worry about it? It's now. Pot It's in my queue. Yeah. Right. Can I recommend a couple of shows real quick which have a lot to do with what you're saying feel. Sure. Have you guys ever watched dark on Netflix. And I love this. German show. So you got to watch it in subtitles. Don't do the English dub because it's it's. Terrible. But if you if you watch it in in subtitles, really like actually watch it, it's a really smart. Wild it's it's visually striking. It's it's a really beautiful song scares the Shit Outta me. Yeah I mean it's it's it's an it's an ominous. It's definitely got undertones that are pretty spooky, but it's really well done and it's Stephen. King asked too. So it's the kid finds the tunnel. I watched like the first two episodes of that. Yeah. Watch it. There's There's a lot of time travel stuff going on. Okay. If you get more into, it'll done it's very well done in my opinion, the further you get into it too. I'm on the third season. Now people fuck up time travel. Like back to the future. The best one to bring up JK rolling again. But she's the only one that ever got it right in prisoner of Azkaban in that but then dark actually. Right man, they do like their research and Giovanni. Did a terribly. What dealing Ted nailed time travel. Really yes. The m