9 Episode results for "Mr Lau"
Live Your Perfect Day Today!
"Welcome back by faithful listener to the sales energizer podcast. By the way I love you each and every one of you I mean true. Love not the beloved pizza. I mean love like I wanNA marry it type of thing all right well ladies and gentlemen it is time for your daily dose of the deeds with the sales energizer. Podcast coming to you as always live here in beautiful Atlanta Georgia and by the way. It's beautiful even when it's raining. I don't know where this whole thing came from that like. You know it's a beautiful day only one it. Sunny rain is gorgeous. Every do used to be these old kind of like personal ads and they people would actually advertise on the type of person that likes long walks in the rain. Let me tell you something. Nobody likes long walks in the rain. Maybe when you're dating once you get caught in the rain and you'll giggle a little bit and you. You never do it. You know who likes long walks rain gauge I. Today this morning I took a walk and I put my hat on. I had this hat and just the sound of the rain on your hat and doesn't get your face what you'll just feel great. I just loved it by the way. It's tough to walk in the rain because even wear using an umbrella where the hat and not the umbrella but what happens is the front of your legs and your pants get wet so being the salesman and the problem solver that I am I said how am I gonNA stop getting my pants from wait in the front as I walk will. The answer is simple. Wear shorts so I wore shorts and your legs for some reason. Dry off a lot faster than your pants will dry and so see. That's the thing as sales people were just solution. People and I know you think that sounds stupid. It's like when I am a terrible driver. So people always honk at me and so to fix it. I'm not gonNA stop anybody from honking at me because I can't change anybody else but I can change the day. J- I put one of those magnets on my car. This student driver greatest thing everybody stays away from me and nobody honks at me anymore. But that's what I do because I know I can't change anybody else but I can't change myself and you're the same way each morning I wake up. I want one thing in today's no exception and so far on I'm just on track all day. Today I tried to live a perfect day. Now my perfect day is different than your perfect day. But what is your perfect day? What is what do you have to do to go to bed at night? And this is the story that I learned this when I was in high school from a gym teacher. Mr Lau shh Gosh Mr Allow Chevron thought about him at Thou- Mr Lau was like a big dude. He was an ex football player. He was a monster you know back then when they could teach us who really couldn't hit you but they can scare the Tar Adia and this guy one day I was telling jokes. I don't know what I was doing but I was in the locker room. And he put me up by the teacher but me against the locker and didn't hit me in the face but took his hand and bangs. The locker right next to my head. I'm not to a big of a man to tell you right now. I peed myself right there in front of everybody right there in front of I mean scared. The Tar Adia. Mr Laos was a tough guy but he used to say in his class. And you're they do that to get you on their level you'll listen to them and he asked me. How do you know if you live the day? I was talking to the whole class but everybody always thinks only about themselves. So when I'm saying this I want you to be thinking. How do you know when you've lived a perfect day? And His answer was this. He says when you go to bed at night and you're just there with your with your own personal God. Your eyes are closed. And you're thinking about the day you just got one question to ask of yourself was Iowa plus or a minus today. Did I give more than I got or did I get more than I gave today? I'll tell you whenever you're listening to this or wherever you're listening to this there's one thing I know for sure about you. No matter what country you're from a no matter how old you are no matter what position you're in because A lot of people. This is a sales driver. Podcast A lot of people are sales people but a lot of people just grab gravitate to the show for motivation about life and you're the art of practicing. Sales is the art of practicing personal development. And there's no gray one this it's impossible not to sleep. Well when you're a plus you will have the best night's sleep of your life and you'll wake up refreshed when you gave more than you got the day before and there's so many different opportunities to do it even today. I mean even just giving somebody a smile. Brightening them they even paying somebody. You would consider a small complement. My Gosh you have beautiful hair. I wish I had a hair like that putting away the shopping cart. When you're in the parking lot that somebody else left out there in front of another car something small that you can talk to yourself and your own personal God and said the world is a little bit better because I was here today and then sleep well baby because once you get that done once you get the feeling of what that is when you're really changing yourself to make things better for everyone else it's addictive and you can't stop doing it and you wake up in the morning and you start asking better questions instead of. Why is this happening to me? You start thinking. When can I do something more? How can I help? How can I fix it? And then you become part of the solution instead of the problem then you become attractive to others then you don't worry about selling because your prospects and customers are too busy buying and that's what happens when you listen to the beach cast every morning in this daily dose right Mr Producer Man. Listen I really appreciate you guys listening and I meant it when I said in the front end of this I love each and every one of you. You're the best. I'm the go get him today. Make it your perfect day.
Episode 482, recorded 2020-07-17
"Good morning it's speak when he we MELA and it's Friday July seventeenth. We're back to a beautiful day after some couple of rainy days, and the rain was good. I was just reading this morning about flooding in China. So on top of being. DELUGED WITH CORONA virus. Now, there's terrible flooding. It's a reminder to us that this is the way the world is. And, this is why we train. To find our peace of mind and to find calm center. And to always realize that our. Happiness our. equilibrium. Are Equanimity in the face of everything. Going on has to come from within us. and. That is what we always have to. We can't look for it anywhere outside of us. and. We can't look for it in the world where we're all learning that so vividly. What a good teacher! That the world is and I think I found that. It's helpful to listen to BBC news or some of the international news, because that's another way for us to develop compassion and to get US outside of ourselves. So, we don't have to take it in and think. Oh, no one more horrible thing now I'm more depressed. I think what we have to do is realize. All beings are dealing with things all the time some times than others. Some are hit with everything that seems to come along. but we need to be aware that. Whatever is going on in the world. We have to work on ourselves in order to handle it to deal with it to find our own peace and contentment and happiness in it. And Joy, otherwise we can't survive in it, so we can keep working and keep helping and continue to be compassionate. And continue to think of others, and this is a magnificent time to be seeing this lesson vividly everyday when we wake up. Hits us to May thing. So Take care of yourself and be safe because we're dealing very. Close to home with a with. Covert Nineteen and Seeing it come up in. All different kinds of places. My daughter volunteers at a food bank in Waukegan. And now, and she does other volunteer things in they practice they. They have safe practices there. But she just got a was contacted by A. whoever does the tracing that a person in the? Two weeks ago when she was there apparently a person who has volunteering another volunteer. Developed Covid nineteen. Just after that Saturday and so she was notified that. the first notification was that she was there, and this other person was there the same day, and she was concerned about it because she's also helping with with some younger children that she works with an individually. But then she realized and found out that they they. Make specific requests when or context you? They make a specific request. Is someone said closer more personal contact? And it she wasn't one of those people. She realized so sheep that that made her feel a little better. Because because that one contact when she was notified, makes her think about everything anybody else. She's been in contact with, and she's very safe about mask and being very careful. but but if you get that contact you again, thinking about anyone else you saw it becomes. It just becomes a chain of. Okay. We've gotta take care of anybody who could potentially. Be At risk now or have been exposed to something so. That's stressful I. I knew it was stressful for her. Just to know what to do next. And then she was quite relieved when she realized to their degrees of contact that there were. They're urging people. some people to go and be tested and others just to let you know and to be careful so. She was relieved after a while, but. Tough and that's what a lot of us are facing I'm sure a lot of you have had that experience so even when we feel that we're being that we're safe. There's layers their layers for us to watch out for, and we need to continue to be safe. And for us, that means social distancing. And wearing masks, and there's just nothing. That's very basic. It's not easy to do in the hot summer to wear the mask, but It's the least we can do to a good. To Be Compassionate to have any compassionate all for our for ourselves. And any of the beings that were around. And then that extends out to the whole world, so just keep going. Keep. Keep being optimistic. Keep being hopeful keeping loving. And keep finding joy just because we're having difficulties in the world doesn't mean that finding those bits of joy isn't important. No one feels needs to feel guilty. Right now. They're just so many. Tiny birds out. Looking for bird food that I put out under a tree and just watching them can bring joy to me and lift my spirits. And I have that going on all day so. It's you know it's makes it so much easier just to have that attitude of of openness. And joy about the little things in life. So. Find those things that you can turn to. And keep you going and keep you realizing. This. World has always been this way and we will get through this. The same way people get through floods and total destruction of their homes. And devastating personal losses and losses of people. This is just part of this world and. We. Could we need to help when we can, but we also need to remember that. We have to come back to our basic. Taking care of ourselves understanding ourselves understanding our mind. Understanding our emotions. And when we can recognize them. And then accept them okay. I'm feeling really sad right now. We have to see it, and then we have to accept it. Okay, that is. That's how I'm feeling right now. But then we have to. Not Non identification without emotion. So we see the emotion. We accept it. But. We don't identify it I'm a sad person I. Am an angry person. It isn't mine. It's not who I am. It's not what I am so. Our our emotions are passing we need to. We need to understand them we need to. Work with them, we can't. We can't repress them because we need to put on a happy face for anyone. So we work with those difficulty motions. We allow those emotions. To rise up in US and we work with them, and then we can allow them eventually. To pass on and they will go away. But we don't identify with them. We recognize them for what they are. So we, we have lots of opportunities right these days, because we we go from one emotional state to another I'm sure. Does like the birds go from one bird feeder to another. So just imagine that like the I see the birds like maybe fifty of them around this tree, and then then they just all as a group. Lift up and fly off. Fly off to another Another place they found were someone's offering then. Extra Food and They lift up and then they're gone. Now they'll come back. Not? Exactly the same birds are in the same pattern or an I may not have the same food out there or there may not be much food, but they'll come back, but they aren't my birds. They're not mine. So, they're not who I am. They're not I'm not living through them. So think of those sink of those things. The things that are we can really say they're not mine and our emotions are like that. They don't define us. They don't tell us heft how we have to be in the world. They are they are they are for all of us US escape, having emotional states and having emotions, and we don't want to repress them. We need to work with them they they can tell us a lot. They can help us understand a lot. So. We have to be. We have to be seeing everything about us. And just wreck had recognition and acceptance of all the parts of us the things that we sometimes think we should be better. We shouldn't be a certain way, or we should be a certain way. We have to know ourselves and see ourselves as we truly are. And when we can do that I, think we see we're not. We're not as bad as we want to. Make out. We are I. Mean somedays. You know we all have. I can't believe I did that or oh. I just don't get anything done or. Oh. I'm so tired of this. Will you know we then later? We think AH, so many people have it worse than me and I should feel bad about feeling good about somethings. I should feel bad about not doing enough. We need to let go of that. We need to work with what's here what we've got. We need to understand ourselves. And we're having so many opportunities see stays to see that. It's like the cycle shorter for most people. The ups and the downs. So what we shouldn't should not be doing his beating on ourselves. We should be sending that loving kindness to ourselves. And then when we and then we're able to send it to others. So I've gone half of our time in. We haven't done my wish. So, let's do that. The I become at all times both now and forever a protector for those without protection a guide for those who have lost their way. A ship for those with the notion to cross. A sanctuary for those in danger. A refuge. For those who shelter? A lamp for those without light and a servant to all need. By means of this meritorious deed, May I never join with the unwise? Only the wise until I attain the ANA. So. We move outside of ourselves. We let go of Ego when we think of others when we hold them in her heart. WHEN WE HELP THEM! When we recognize them. And it helps us get outside of the narrowness of our own thoughts and our own. Our own concerns. So keep. He thinking of yourself is a body Sokha. You don't have to take vows or special precepts to think of yourself that way. Whom we take those precepts or take the body Sada. Precepts that's that's just the ceremony right we're. Do we help the precepts? All the time when we maybe don't even know what the precepts are. And how we can be a compassionate. Caring loving person. All the time. Remember our intentions are. Renunciation. Goodwill and harmlessness. And if you're walking, you can use those three words to just let each step. V Renunciation Eight. Kindness harmlessness. However you want to use them, but remember if we go forward every day and all our resolve. boils down to those three things. We'll be okay with whatever we do. So, why don't we sit? It's a beautiful day. and. Take care of any grocery shopping made to do before the weekend. Because it'll be crowded, it'll be more crowded and even with mass gone. It's good to. We know it's good to avoid those crowds. So. Find that comfortable position. Birds are coming back safe. Those without thinks everything comes back. We're seeing the rise in things are sustained for just a second, and then they dissolve. And things rise. They sustained for a second and then they to solve and that's. That's the way the world is. This is just a second, not even wink of an eye to the world. This the four months plus that we're going on so. Look at nature and see the same thing. So Here in your position if you're on the floor or if you're sitting or standing. Lift Up. Just feel yourself lift up. From your waist. Let, your spine be lifted. Left. Feel your head resting. His balanced is Make It feel balanced. You'd around get it into that sweet spot where you feel like it really in line. Two bodies, in line with itself. If, you can close your eyes. Maybe start with a few deep breasts to bring you into your body. Right to the present moment. Let all your thoughts. Just kind of. Do what they need to do without your attention. Don't feel any tightness over trying to hold your thoughts down. Mr Lau and come and go, but we don't feed them. We don't get caught up in them. We just allow them to come and go. Allow Yourself. The precious gift. Of being silent. Being with yourself. You aware of yourself. Be Aware of your body breathing. Let the sensations of your body breathing. Be The focus of your attention. Just, keep coming back to your breath. Whenever your mind wanders. Stay with your breath. You may notice having the same thoughts over and over. When you feel like you can. Without getting caught up in your thoughts and wrapped up in then. You can begin to note. Some of the patterns you see in your thoughts. You see a lot of. Thoughts that are connected with. This! Things you have to do. Things on your to do list. Things. You've forgotten to do in one or put on your to do list. Don't get into thinking about them, but you can. You can give them a label. One suggestion is. Make up some silly phrase that you understand easily. That might cover a category of your. FAV- top ten favourite bought patterns. because. We don't want to get caught up in thinking when we watch our thoughts. But they give valuable information. These are baitual thought patterns that arise all the time. We don't need explanations of why they're there. But we can just become aware. That, this is what our mind. Is Continually, coming back to. It's. Not who we are. It's just. Incredible proliferation of thoughts are mind keeps kicking out kicking out. And this is what we want to replace. With. Something something better something that doesn't keep us trapped. I we have to recognise what we've got going on. So, just practice looking at thoughts when you when you feel you have. Enough steadiness in your breath your practice that you won't be distracted completely. Snake note about the quality or Or the name you've made up for that particular. Bag thoughts, and then let it go. Just keep letting it go. Compact to your breath, and if you notice another. Another. Thought Cycle. Maybe, make a note. Let it. Go come back to your breath. And I mean make a mental note. He coming back to your breath. Watching our thoughts is not an excuse to chase after. Chase after them were daydream or get caught up in them. So. Keep coming back to your breath if you see yourself doing that. All of you continue to sit if you can. But my time with the PGA I don't WanNa, keep people from. But they have on their schedules. So keep sitting if you can. May I become at all times both now and forever. A protector for those without protection. A guide for those, who, have, lost their way. A ship for those with an ocean across a sanctuary for those in danger. A lamp for those without light. A place of refuge for those who lack shelter. And a servant to all and lead. By. Means of this meritorious deed may I never joined with the unwise only the wise until the time I attain the Bonna. And that's our liberation. However, we frame it and our spiritual path. It's. It's the goal. So, keep going. If you can sit longer please STU. And have a beautiful day. I'll see you Sunday. Or you'll hear me are I'll be I'll be doing this on Sunday. So make sure yeah. Saturday temples open again. So. Take care. I feel the presence of all of you in my life. Thank you so much.
Are these girls being forcibly converted?
"The forced conversion to Islam of young women and girls in Pakistan is causing tensions and one of the country's poorest provinces distraught families say goals are being kidnapped kidnapped and forced to convert clerics say they're converting of their own free will and South Asia correspondent Chevanton. You found is hard to what's the women themselves gave police this video of two Pakistani sisters reciting Islamic versus went viral in Pakistan. It'd be arena and Ravina assistance from a small village in Sindh province which is one of the poorest parts of Pakistan. It's also home to many of the country's largest religious minority Hindus soon after these sisters converted from Hinduism to Islam. They were married to local Muslim was lamenting over the entire process was filmed and a variety of phone video clips emerged in one the two sisters sisters and two men sit squeezed together on a sofa as a cleric rates from a religious text. All the videos were shed far and wide on social. Media has people debate it. Did these girls convert of their own free will or were they forced. There's no way of knowing the full story behind that conversions and marriages or whether they wanted it all to be filmed and publicized but activists say it's an example of something Pakistan's Owing Human Rights Commission says is a national problem it in its annual report. The commission said that More Than One thousand underage girls were forcibly converted last year in Sindh province alone. There's been A.. Consistent stream of conversions of low cost Mina Hindu goals over the past several years the commission road in its annual report in April around one thousand Oakland Christian and Hindu minority women converted to Islam and then forcibly married off to their abductors or rapists. The commission reported earlier this month sins provincial assembly pasta resolution demanding an end to the practice. It was supported unanimously including by local members of Prime Minister Imran Khan's Tarija in softball P._T._i.. Potty as well as the hardline Jamaat e Islami group but it's not the first time lawmakers have tried and failed to press for change before influence from religious groups is brought to bear and the passage of laws banning the practice is thwarted cases like Rena and Ravinus grab headlines in India and Pakistan influential. Nobody in the case of these sisters even led to politicians from both countries trading BOB's over religious freedom on on twitter coverage on four hundred many Douglas Marie Ibox the Human Rights Commission says forced conversion flourishes because the local authorities look the other way and and because religious organizations including Madris's facilitate indeed orchestrate the targeting vulnerable girls from the poorest families and the lowest costs some people say the girls go willingly because converting and marrying a slightly wealthy Moslem man gives them economic opportunity at the other end of the spectrum are accusations Happened Mr Lau says his daughter just thirteen and fifteen years old and you husbands and the religious leaders who read them say they're eighteen and nineteen despite being married in in Sindh where the legal age for marriage is eighteen they were quickly moved to a different province by these men to Punjab where the legal marriage age is only sixteen you Mr Lau protested outside local police stations eventually made its way to court with the involvement of some local law makers and advocates for the Hindu Community but an issue wasn't whether the girls can send it to be married or converted willingly or if they were abducted adopted the only issue being ruled on was whether they were eighteen and therefore old enough to marry the court was essentially deciding whether the girls would go back to their parents house else will be told to remain within new husband's sisters appeared at court once their faces fully covered in black nick up before they were ordered to stay a safe house for for the duration of court proceedings. They didn't say a word outside the court and they never returned to sit in that courtroom that was deciding their futures as is common in many Pakistan's Costanza poor rural areas. These goals never given birth certificates. It would not have been a priority for their family. So the court ruled that forensic testing at an institute eighteen Islamabad would be conducted to determine if they were eighteen when they were married the goals were not in court to him most of their case and their mother was equally silent she she did go to the court sitting with her husband is lawyers and activists swilled around her. She will the same outfit every day. A plain yellow sorry that she dropped low over her face covering. Covering her eyes although her teas were visible as she sat and whipped quietly in the hours before the final hearing she wore bright red bengals up her arms says he's custom for married women from her community as people walked past her in the court precinct some stead and laughed at her style of dress which denoted her status as the low cost person from a poll rural area. She never spoke to any of the people involved in the case or to the many reporters at court to follow the story people poured from the courtroom. After the judge handed down his verdict. The sisters were eighteen or older. He ruled they would stay within new husband's uh-huh from the religious center where the girls were converted and married celebrated outside in their later cleric and former politician. Pierre Abdelhak said force was never used to convert the sisters. Do I had stopped what Woah we welcome the judgement. Today's judgment delivered justice. He said this is all done to define Pakistan. There are some Indian spy agencies who are doing this correct missile salty egg. Give me an example of false conversion in the last two hundred years. Give me a name I will donate my property to her. The hands linked fists raised in the air. The men walked from the court precinct triumphant. They were by far the loudest voices in in South Asia correspondent Chevanton you with their tail from Pakistan.
The Dark Knight with Pallavi Gunalan
"You're sure to find something you love and the car stuff podcast we had new shows each week and we have almost a decade of podcast archives. Join me your host got Benjamin. I explore all kinds of exciting topics incredible machines and the people and the technology that make morality listen subscribe at Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio radio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts on the dog cast the questions asked movies movies have women and all their discussions boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism the Patriarchy's. FM vast start changing changing etc hello and welcome to the Bechtel cast. My name is Caitlin durant and we talk about the representation John Of Women and movie and you. This is the podcast where we do it. We've been doing for years yeah. This one wild is true and we use the Bechtel. Oh test which is a media metric developed by cartoonist Alison Bechtel ever heard of her also sometimes under the Bechtel Wallace Hollis test which we always forget to say we're done with Wallace erasure over here yeah but yeah the Bechtel test if you don't know as a media metric that that requires there be a scene that includes two named female identifying characters who talked to each other about something other and man most of the biggest franchises that have ever been released. Don't wake we do a test run of it and do it. Hey Jamie Jamie Caitlyn. Why so serious I D K. Maybe you just need to go back on meanwhile Butuan and really start evaluating option sure I've been thinking about going back to therapy wow I should should to the reason I don't like my current therapist would break the test okay so let's not talk about it. Yeah yeah all all right well that pretty much past the Bechtel tests male therapist. I can't do it. I don't know what it is yeah. I've always struggled with them to just like he's. He is so smart be also like what are are you talking about. I'm like this is. This isn't going to work anyways. I'm very excited to talk about. I think probably one of the most famous movies of our time time I mean it is yes and I think we can all agree a feminist tax firmness masterpiece. Yes yes yes womanhood. It has changed because of this. Oh yes but before we dive in. Let's introduce our gas stay. She is a hilarious comedian. She's one of the CO hosts of facial recognition Phoenician comedy. It's policy and all in. I thank you for having me yeah. I it's it sucks like saved my life and then I wanted to get rid of him right away. I felt really bad anyways. It's been three years and mccower fun stuff so we're talking about the Dark Knight. Yes two thousand eight Christopher Nolan the second installment of the Dark Knight Trilogy. I feel like the most famous and enduring installment yet again puffy. What is your history your relationship with this film. Okay thank you so much for asking I love Batman Batmans my favorite I love Batman. The animated series the best and this movie the next okay I watched this movie and there's a part in it where the joker is just sticking his head out of a window and literally in the in the theater the audience just erupted in applause for this villain and I did too we were all like so excited for him and I love movies and books like that where it takes like really horrible people and like makes you. Um You know I mean people love this. It's a sad very sad because I think that this movie was released posthumously for Heath Ledger and was his greatest role yeah so I mean everything's lined up for people equal to be addicted to the joker and he's so good. He is his amazing. Say what you will whether it's a feminist texture not his performance is so so good I mean I try right a model my comedy after his job. He's a comedian pencil. All all of our writing you would happen. There's just blood everywhere and I really love this movie and it was like my favorite movie for a while in a lot of my favorite movies are so misogynists and I don't know like same. I have a huge problem. Well Mad Max wasn't it was I. I think the reason that I loved it was because it was administ- if you're road or next year I love that movie like Really Love Fight Club and I think that I'm not allowed to say that on twitter yeah. We've all been there yeah. We've all gone through the fight club phase. I it's just like you learn baby. I mean I think my like most problematic. They've of like these like toxic mouth. Franchises is the Indiana Jones series which I still I love it. It's go. We don't eat monkey. Brains tumble of doom is the worst one it is yes so but last crusade is a boatload a Lotta Fun vignette. It's so bad it's wild yeah. I think the Dark Knight is that movie for a lot of people what's your experience with Cuba. Ah I saw in the theater I think probably more than once I think I may we saw a couple of times in theaters and I promptly bought it on DVD. I watched I also like Batman begins a lot and I think this might sound wild to say but I think I like. Batman begins better and I only realized this upon rewatching both of them to prep for this episode. I was like Oh actually thirty minutes in the beginning of dark ignite and thirty minutes at the end where it's like either hard to follow or kind of boring or like anti-climactic but that man begins is like a streamline like like story all the way through with like rising tension and it's just like I don't know and I like an origin story. Arrest me whatever you're in jail baby. No one's arguing for the dark knight rises. No no no that was actually filmed. I went to Carnegie Mellon and part of that was filmed on one of the buildings like the part where the microscope he and I had classes in that building isn't the football stadium. That's in that movie. Also the steelers yeah anyway wild so I loved this movie I haven't revisited it though in probably like five years or so yeah Jamie what about you. I love this movie movie to. I've never been a superhero person. As loyal fans of the show will no but I feel like this movie came out when I was in high school and it just like everybody side right. I hadn't seen I remember seeing this movie and then having to go back and watch Batman begins because I hadn't had an interest in it and then I mean Yeah I've seen I think I've seen the full trilogy twice but but I've seen this movie probably five or six times because it's I don't know but yeah it's it's. It's the one that people tell you to watch over and over and it's the one that every toxic boyfriend and makes you watch with him so I've I've seen this movie a bunch. I always really enjoy it also hadn't revisited it in at least five years and you know want to discuss certainly bridge Fridge Fridge Fridge England okay. What frigging so that's when most. Let's Oh yeah we'll we'll get there. So should I just do the recap. Okay just movies very long. Make this as quick as possible. It is very long two and and a half hours anyway so we open the joker is robbing a mob bank. He's killing his criminal buddies. Were Kinda. The process it evokes Spiderman two when Alfred Moines as wearing the Fedora the bank right and Joel McHale is their Alpha Molina's like throwing bags of coins much goofy the different tone very then we cut to Batman. He stops the scarecrow because I guess he forgot to do that. In Batman Begins oops. I don't know and then throws a dog whistle. It's a lot of dog did not like animals. Who whose dog is this rottweilers. The representation of rottweiler specifically in this movie is not positive now anyway so meanwhile. There's a new district attorney in town Harvey Dent. He is dating Bruce Wayne's love interest Rachel Dawes who were just like Oh. It's Maggie Jilin Hall now. It's no longer Katie Holmes sure we'll take whatever scientology gives us scientology. Give it and take it away and Bruce. Wayne is jealous because he wants to Kiss Rachel Gordon Lieutenant Gordon as icon Gary Oldman's yeah there's a whole laundry list of like problematic men cast in this movie for sure so he needs dense approval to get warrants to search and I guess sees these mob banks meanwhile joker shows up to a mob meeting meeting and they're all trying to figure out how keep their money safe and the jokers like Oh. You should pay me to kill. Batman and the mob doesn't like joker but he is wacky and unhinged and any makes his own clouds. He's like that's so raven in that way yeah and the only character I think of someone who makes her own clothes. She is a stylized on. Oh is she. Oh she had a sewing machine. Oh Yeah Yeah. It was awesome anyway. So Joker is scary so they're like oh well. I guess we got to do what he says and and then there's this Guy Mr Lau who does all the bookkeeping for the mob so Batman goes to Hong Kong and brings him back to Gotham and Dent and Rachel chiller like you're in big trouble mister so lau gives up all the names of the mob boys to Harvey Dent can put them Moines Jail Mabul Joker does not like that this happened so he's like. Hey Batman take off your mask and show yourself else in every day that you don't do this. I will kill people. Meanwhile Bruce Wayne throws a fundraiser for Harvey Dent because he want to be the new face of hope and justice tipping the scale with candidates this well well. He wants this because so he basically wants to retire from being Batman so that he can kiss Rachel because in the first movie she's like while you're still Batman. We can't be together so we'll jokers shows up to the fundraiser to go after dent in this is after he has killed the police commissioner and the judge who sentenced all of the mob boys his so Batman fights him off and then joker tries to kill the mayor but Gordon takes a bullet for him during this parade and Gordon dies or does he forgot that this happened exhausting because then they have to go to his wife and be like him dead and then they go back to his his wife say him fine well. At least they got you know some of his wife in their through a third of women. It's women weeping over Gary Oldman's death so you know it's fiction so joker name's name's Rachel Dawes as next victim and Batman doesn't want any more blood as on his hands so he decides to reveal himself in the hopes that joker will stop up killing people but before he can do this Harvey Dent steps up and is like I'm the Batman and his reasoning for this is that when the joker attacks tax again the real Batman will be able to swoop in and take him down right so as they're getting Harvey Dent to safety or they've arrested him. I'm not sure they're transporting him somewhere. the joker shows up and there's this big chase scene which is very fun shortly after that is the scene where he's like his head is out the window and his the wind is in his hair and he's just like the iconic but that man shows up to stop joker and then we find out the Gordon is is not dead after all and he arrests and locks up the joker and then gets promoted to commissioner for him problematic manage charge charge her run and joker claps for him a little joke it was like he does. Nancy Pelosi Clap and he was like I had his time in every way but joker has already kidnapped dent and Rachel or he's had his goons do it and he put his put them in two different locations and Batman has to choose who is going to go save so he goes after Rachel he shows up there at the address and Harvey is where Joker said that Rachel would be so explosions go off. Rachel dies and then half of Harvey's face gets burned off and then he becomes two face and he's bad now. He's he's upset. He's got he's got a new look. You gotta go on new attitude or glow down a AH lit up and it's so gruesome is like he would be dead. I don't understand how he's still alive for the First Time Sina gene and theaters and being like I was fifteen. Buzz scared graphic in that same thing happened in like breaking bad. When and did you go see breaking bad. I stopped after like four seasons. One of the major bad guys like who's he has half his face blown off but he just like dies right. That's what what happened but he dies like he like still walks outside and then falls down and you're like your face is gone wild anyway. Harvey Dent strong and everyone loves him so he survives and becomes to phase and then joker blows up a hospital because Batman still has not revealed himself and then his next target are these two fairies one is full of prisoners and one is full of civilians and both author full of explosion so he does a classic trolley probably love it doesn't that happen Spiderman to that happens in most lottery yeah but that also like they just had that with Rachel and Dent they were like pick your point. You just did that right so it's like new new move and he's doing this social experiment to see if they will blow each other up these two boats and he didn't just do that up on that more people and it's very obvious bad guy from trolley problem too big or traveling across okay. This didn't work the first time I tried it. Let's make it big yeah. He's like let's raise the stakes escalate so dent meanwhile while is going after the crooked cops who sold him and Rachel out and he's killing them and then Batman finds joker via dislike crazies surveillance surveillance machine and There's some really weird stuff glorified in this movie like thank God the Nsa was spying on everyone are we wouldn't have been able to find Mr Joke. Yeah the the the boats don't blow each other up and then the jokers like hey wait a minute. I thought that would work and then he's caught but there's a whole thing after this then Harvey Dent has kidnapped Gordon's family because I guess it's like Gordon was okay with having crooked cops in his unit something like that. I don't know Gary Oldman your dislike. It's probably I don't. I don't know he's supposed to be good. He's supposed to be good and then Batman shows up once again and saves the day Dent gets killed but they they all have to pretend like he was still good since he was like Gotham White Knight Right so Gotham Dark Knight is is going to take the fall for dense crimes because something about a hero that we have but we need deserve it. It's hard to it's. It's the the one we deserve not the one we need right now. It's weird I I people think it should be flipped and stuff. I don't know I know I've seen it as a back tattoo to. Let's take a quick break and then we'll jump into the discussion. Um Hey it's Jamie and I've always wanted to read an ad for an upcoming TV. Show like this allies. Try it Sundays on the CW from the executive producers of smash hits like Arrow the Flash supergirl and legends of tomorrow comes your next Superhero of session bat woman. That was pretty good okay so I know we're very excited. get ready to meet your favorite superhero. Her name is Kate Kane. 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I guess American Arts and culture of you so I wanted to shout that out of the top because I was thinking about it consistently throughout thinking about a man's work Jamie Listen I. I'm very problematic automatic and I'm honestly cancelled. I'm blame her male therapist probably accepting you. Christopher Nolan there okay Christopher Christopher Nolan right at the top because some problems he. I'm a fan of his work generally. He has a major issue with well. Let's talk about frigging the concept of frigging so I have some info here women in refrigerators. It was oh it's exactly what it sounds like. It's literally exactly exactly what it sounds very funny. I think I talked about this. In an are Lara Croft episode with Dani Fernandez so way back in the day but for refresher it was originally a website created in ninety nine by a group of Feminist Comic Book Fans that list examples of the Comic Book Trope whereby whereby female characters are injured raped killed or de powered sometimes to stimulate protective traits as a plot device intended to move a male character factor story arc forward so gail simone is generally the the woman credited with this and it basically comes from. Do you have the information. Ah The reason it's called fringing because of a specific comic book plot where a wife or girlfriend is killed literally stuffed in a fridge to motivate. Oh yeah specific source of that so if we have any fans who know please I don't know the specific yeah like comic book being referenced but that's why it's called fringing Jiang but now it's kind of just shorthand for killing off a female character usually a wife or girlfriend loves kidnapping brutalizing in some way yeah ten mode yet emotive and to move the story forward which this movie is very guilty as several times but also Christopher Nolan's work in general is guilty guilty of if we're thinking of his filmography where like you start with memento which is he's trying his wife that movie V. is his wife inception is his wife Batman. The dark is his girlfriend there. It is such a consistent pattern in his work that that from what I can tell the first time in his entire filmography. The first time that doesn't happen is what's the movie about space oh interstellar Taylor. That's the first movie where someone isn't fringed. There's no fridges in space. There's no there's no where to put women and he was just like well. It doesn't seem to be an option but it is. I mean it's I don't WanNa like a I mean it's by no means a reason to knock his work as as a whole but it is interesting to see how long it takes for Auteur filmmaker Christopher Nolan to pick up on or get enough blow back of like you can't this is so lazy and Shitty and because the implications of frigging I mean there's many any of them. It's that a woman first of all it means. We have to usually see a woman being brutalized on screen. The implication is that a woman is much much weaker than her male counterparts and then just not as important to the story just damsel in distress right but like just turned up to eleven and and the the movie I was forgetting about was the prestige where huge Ackman's assistant wife dies and then right story basically starts yes so the dark night is not an exception to this rule criminal inmate interstellar which I've never seen but for amazing people love it because they actually actually do black holes right the first time I've ever seen signs movies accurately. It's because KIPP Lauren who won the Nobel Prize in physics like consulted and listen to him. That's amazing. We should mentioned mentioned that policy is a woman in stem. I need to go to school yeah. This is the this this movie where it happens and then just to extend a little it doesn't happen to interstellar and then there's no women in that boy island movie he made are you. Are you happy now. There's no fridge 'cause they're no women. There's no limit. There's no women on the island and it's like Harry styles happy so yes there is that's my comment on Chris Nolan as it took he he figured it out for exactly one movie and it's not this one this one because it does certainly happen a lot so we have essentially one main female character in this movie. We have a couple of secondary characters but as far as the main one who you still doesn't get that much screen time is Rachel Dawes. She is framed as the love interest of two different men so sh- another female character put into into like a love triangle situation but it's crazy that she's eleven tryst of two men and they both get still can't tell that she's not Katie Holmes. You know what I mean like. They're so in love with her her. No I'm just in love with the idea of you monkey Jalen Hoffman. She does her best with while she's given here. I like her a lot. I like her too but yeah so just to continue this this frigging damn selling conversation. it first happens during the fundraising party that Bruce Wayne Throws Harvey Dent. The joker shows up. He threatens her kind of has a knife to her face. He's telling a story about his. His wife is white but I think his wife is fake what she's dams link her to write fictional his wife so that meant comes in and saves her by punching the joker in the face. I just think it's funny that the reason that she's put in that situation where he liked grabs a knife and puts a tour face because he's he's like threatening an old man and she's like okay knock it off. Oh no like he's like Oh. You got a little fight in yeah. She's like sounds sounds like a few minutes later. Joker grabs her again holds a gun to her head and then drops her out of a window window and then Batman has to like dive after her and save her again yeah also that's not how gravity works but okay right. He's he he has his is beat up his suit. His acceleration due to gravity in his Batman suit is like faster than normal because of all his science science okay cool yeah ah I'm not a woman in stem but I feel like that's how that works and then she gets damsel again like for the third and Finale Anneli where the jokers goons. We've understood who have kidnapped her. Put Her in this warehouse full of explosives and then she is killed when the explosives go off right this is I mean there's a lot written about this character from what my research indicates and I'm not a bad head so simply go off in the comments if I'm wrong but she she's one of the only characters in this film franchise that was added for the movie movie she is not a character that appears prior to this film franchise. Oh so she was not in the connex or anything like that isn't no interest. There's there's a number of other I mean I think they appear another Batman movies. There's a number of other Batman Girlfriends Vicki Vale from the Tim Burton Batman. Remember that we we did cover many many moons ago. I know why I episodes but yeah she doesn't appear in the comic books originally and I feel like that is kind of so it's not even an adaptation problem which I think some of the issues with this movie kind of our and all comic book movies sort have come up against that Rachel. That doesn't seem to actually apply to her so it's kind of like even more obnoxious screenwriters just fucked up this screenwriters frigid her are within. I would argue. She has some Mary Sue. Quality is and there's just I don't know like she's just kind of like a go to like every trope I don't i. I don't have a handle on who she is. At all really I also think it's like crazy that like she. She's wavering on like who she wants to be with and she's painted like she kisses Bruce Wayne when she's with Harvey so then it's like and then she's like sacrifice so like you don't even get to like her as much as Z want to well. I have a theory about that and I don't know if anyone else has read it this way but I feel like there's a read of it where the movie Viti feels justified in killing her because she doesn't use because she doesn't she was gonNA leave yeah. I okay yeah where it's like. She's made to seem seemed like a little bit less lovable before she even though it's like objectively he's making the right. I mean if I mean if if we were really she wouldn't use either I have I have I have a joke about how Batmans the og fuck boy because he's like listen. I gotta be a playboy. Hey boy billionaire during the day. It's part of my cover up. It's my disguise and then superman and spider manner like we're in monogamous relationships and get a newspaper. What so I just think it's like it's like she. She doesn't pick the fuck boy and then is punished for and then and then also I think it's so funny like not funny but but it's like ironic when she she's like blown up in the middle of a sentence like when he gets interrupted more realistic by a bomb yeah and and then harvey is like screaming at her instead of hearing her last words like knowing you know what I mean has very emotional that one I feel Rachel. I think in general deserves better. We do know what her job is. I feel like it is almost used to justify her being around Harvey Harvey the and and by extension sort of Bruce because we don't really see her like do much for her. She's the assistant. Da So arguably she's a villain to you fucking the right which yeah yeah well. That's right so we know what she does for a living. At least we get that at least you know I have no idea but we on time when Harvey wasn't very okay so it's not seen this is toward the beginning in this scene. She's waiting for this trial to begin there in the courtroom and then like Harvey shows up and he's like the and were you worried you might have to do this with me and she's like I know these briefs backwards yeah and he's like well look. I'm going to do it anyway. This is my enemy them new yeah yeah. I mean she. There are moments that like but it's like. We don't really see that really come into play very much like we see. It's nice to see her be like okay. She is clearly good at her job but like that's never really plot relevant the fact that she's got a job as and we still don't really even see her do her job at any yeah. It's like the bare minimum of like describing who is and where she is. I appreciate the gesture but I don't know she could kind of do you anything in the movie wouldn't Change Right whip see you. I'd also this whole time. This is the first time where I was like and someone I tweeted what about something about Batman and it was just like Oh. Wouldn't it be better if like Batman Tony Stark simply paid their taxes. They would probably be doing the world a lot more yet ED. They just pay their taxes. I mean they're getting huge. Tax Breaks because like all their corporations all that stuff that's like I used to. I think that like Batman was my favorite Superhero Tube but now I'm realizing he likes sucks lake. There's because there's so much discussion about class and poverty and how what's causing all this crime in Gotham. This happens a little bit more in Batman begins but it's like you're a kazillionaire. If you just redistribute your wealth instead of because playing as a bat itching Halloween animals and then pay your taxes. Are you guys looking to see an action movie. W. Starring Bill Gates is that that's the hero that we deserve and need saw that video of him. You guys seen heavy off him jumping over thoroughly chair. No he could be super. You might be who I have no idea all billionaires are scary to me yes but it does feel like a vary like. Batman could not be written now and be such a sympathetic. I feel like with the comparison to Bill Gates. I think he falls more into like Elon Musk's territory because he's pushing like technology and stuff and so like Addison engineer. I feel like because people were like Ilan. Why don't did you just like fix flint instead of going to space and I'm like yeah okay. Don't throw your car into space. That's just space trash. Don't throw your frigidness dear God for women to lend up vindamme. Don't fridge your fridge but I'm gonNA. Watch Bill Gates trump over this chair at a quick but but I feel like there's a need and it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive for all these things to happen but let's watch Bill Gates. Oh my God so he got a job. I would watch that movie. We'll post the little clip clip on our twitter. It's a lot anyway yeah I mean I do and I do mean it as like a joke but just like the idea of like presenting a billionaire as like the superhero to end all other superheroes feels like a very particular. You know there's there's a time where that like American American dreaming stuff can succeed and I feel like now. Maybe not that definitely also did anyone feel like Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne. Rain is just Christian Bale's Patrick Bateman like they act the exact same to me and they look the exact same because they're Christian bale either I mean even like dressed and styled the same way like their hair is the same like they look identical. In the act identical. I was thinking of the scene toward the beginning where he comes in with like the Ballerina and use like let's put these tables together hardens like I don't think they'll allow US news like they should own. The place and it's like I feel like that is such a Patrick Bateman anyway. I think Oh yeah his character Bruce Wayne. You're saying Yes oh I see maybe yeah when he's Bruce Wayne Yeah. He is being Patrick Bateman when he's Batman. He's like yeah but yeah his here's ars lane to me read a lot like Patrick Bateman but more importantly and more relevant part of Bruce Wayne's persona when he's not Batman and when he's like you know being his in whatever regular self part of that persona is to treat women like objects funkaway you touched on this a little bit already ready but like he rolls into Harvard fundraiser with like three women on his arm. The ballet has to be cancel because he takes the entire like ballet. La Full of dancers onto his yacht although that Ballerina Natasha is my favorite character in the movie she's smart. I love when she was saying about Vigilantes Angelique wait. That doesn't count because there were two dudes in there but like she's talking about. That is when women meet that. I don't know any other scene where women meet Cantat. There is one other that is wild but yeah now I liked. I liked that. She's in it for literally forty five seconds. Someone was like like Natascha. Are you the Prima and then she like then. Batman cuts off. She's a prima bill for the most she was talking she gets into everyone's getting interrupted erupted in this movie. All the women are and then she's clearly only there because Bruce Wayne brought her to be like see Rachel. I have a date to go. Go on dates. I have a girl eighty by the tweezers she's cool and she is like Batman with like everyone was like she's like why are we relying on. There's like 'cause player to save the world and she like kind of criticizes Harvey as the DA for counting on a Batman Dan to do his job for him here like Oh yeah it's out of this world. That would seem very rational. so I just I I was here for Tasha. I was hoping she'd come back but she did not know. She didn't but shout out to her one last thing on the Fridge in conversation Gordon's Gordon's his wife and children also get dams old infringed essentially by Harvey Dent at the end also Gordon's son gets is is credited with the name. Gordon's daughter is not fun. Wow that's because he said he loved her more. That's the only reason he loved the boy more boy. Oy so you're like oh so that's Jimmy cool setting but yeah his his daughter is not credited even at the end of the movie with the name and she doesn't have any lines. I think the little oh boy at least like he asks about Batman when Batman like runs away right and then you can tell that it's going to be the little kid. That's excited sighted about this superhero but the little girl was never like what the Fuck Dad. You love him more than me. Fuck you haunt. Their relationships for decades have to go to a male therapist. Okay first of all just stuck quick thing onto face when I make my own luck. I'm like Jack Dawson Chi Tan okay CAL Hockley says right. He's like I make my own yeah like like Oh. I mean Aaron Eckhart but what about Billy Zane Zane visibility is very low in this extremely low it said an all time they don't even reference him and Aaron Eckhart Aaron Carter so weird because he can be so good and movies and also so bad he well. I Frankenstein you gotTA check on. I Frankenstein in style guy. It's the movie of my life so much. It's he plays sexy Frankenstein well. Didn't he do that in this movie the patch them up. It's the opposite of its even I mean he can play this exact role of very well or terribly you. Did I think he did a good job of transitioning to like. He played both characters pretty well. I think that they didn't give him enough time to transition or whatever verb it like it still was pretty good in this movie at least his performance in this movie yeah just like rewatching at this time. I was like they went to overboard overboard with his face like like in the comics. I really liked it. I like it because it also gives him that grand like the joker like the all. Oh have like these like smiles grabs but scary ones yeah but also like in these movies. Superhero movies are supposed to be like ridiculous. You know like I go in like knowing that fucking gravity doesn't work for Batman. His face can be blown off and he'll still survive. I guess we'll was it. Tommy Lee Jones who plays to face in the earlier Batman in like he just has a bunch of scars on his face like that. Is You know still a bit gruesome but you know I liked. I liked that. They went all the way because this is like greedy. Batman is the grit not graduate shut out to queer feminist icon gritty sure yeah but this is like there and I felt all movies. Were trying to be like this for a while. We're there like it's very dark rebuild. This is this is. This is a lot of thoughts about this. This is exactly what Batman the animated series did like this is how it shifted. Batman and all of these other superheroes things that tried to like emulate them after them in the animated series like the even the way that they animated it was on dark paper and they'd like painted on top of that and it it was like the grittiness that came in so after the animated series is when all of these things shifted before it was like more silly that was fucking nipples on the suit which Schumacher baby but and then like that many enemies series is also responsible for the two voices about man oh internally or whatever yeah and for like like crazy laughing yeah and then all of these other superhero. We're here on movies. Were like we're. GonNa make this starker now. Got It yeah all right good to know except for like the flashes still fun just like go real fast like get every movie here in this movie. It works super well again. 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Yeah there's two of course also Morgan Freeman you is an an ally to Bruce Wayne in Batman alatorre billionaire yeah love it he was like he had some ethics ah did the NSA machine so that was good but he is on the list of bad people. I R. L. which we will get to know right. Fuck I forget all of them too many so hard to keep track of but the majority of people of Color you see in the movie are framed as being bad guys and then one of the other female characters that we get to meet Detective Ramirez. She seems good good. She seems like a a good person but then she turns out to be traitorous because she sold out Rachel to the joker in his goons she was. I mean and again it's like we don't have really the context of how this character is portrayed in the comic books. I think she is in the comic books. Yeah that's hard the the main thing with Ramirez like took. They don't say her name until she's been onscreen a couple of times and so that was I I don't I mean she's probably in Batman. atman begins as well but I'm like. I have no fucking clue with this. Character's name is and then. It's like the third or fourth time she's in the movie for a couple seconds. Someone says this is Anna Ramirez. You're like oh great thank you. I appreciate that I mean she ended up being duplicitous and one of the Times that this movie sort of passes. The vital test is when Anna Ramirez Miraz is like being she's being held at gunpoint by Aaron Eckhart and she calls his wife. It's a mind fuck of a pass yeah. She's being held at gunpoint appoint. What by Aaron Eckhart put it does yeah but she's talking about. Oh she's just trying to get them out of the House or whatever she has called Barbara's Gordon who is name Gordon Gordon Yeah Ramirez is like Oh you got to getaway. We can't trust those cops. Go to this address. Yeah Blah Blah so although she keeps. She keeps saying like he wants you to do this. He wants you to go here so yeah about Gordon Yeah Yeah I had. I had one to line exchange in that conversation pass either way. It's a wild. It's a wild. It's revealed that you're like Oh. She's being held point great i. I don't know if this happens in the comic books I at very least appreciated that her betrayal is not irrational channel and there is a reason that she's doing it. We like learned that her mother is sick in the hospital and she is given her little trolley choice at like. Do I save my mother or do I. I kind of sell out this family so at very least I feel like she's not so underwritten that you're just like Oh. She's just bad like you do understand why ashes James Yeah but it's still means that the I think the one woman of Color in the entire movie is made to be presented in such a way where the audience since then hates her. I don't hate her right. It's not a not a ethical person in the way that all these men who up to like stand up for what they believe in our right right the right decision yeah. I don't know I mean there's definitely I mean again. Christopher colonel. They're they're very white movies and so when people of Color are portrayed in certain ways. It's like there's no one really to compare it to and it's interesting because like at so many points in this movie the jokers like make a decision the person you. WanNa kill right and she had that choice to with her mom versus like everybody else basically but it's interesting that like right before that the convict like through the thing out the window because he was a person of color who also had the decision where like he would be killed and so it's like it's like a power play like with convicts versus you know police officers and like class stuff so I think like at least they have that that's true. I mean the the on the two ferries we have the like oh the incarcerated people and like the guy who's like I'm going to do what we should've done ten minutes ago and he throws the detonator out the window. Oh and then meanwhile on each other boat takes it from a white police a police officer so you police officer gave it to him thinking that he was gonna blow up the other boat right and you see the failure in the police officers. There's ethics and the rise of this convicts rate and then on the other boat is all the civilians and then there's one white guy in particular who's like let's kill 'em they. They made their choice their murderers and then even he can't go through with it but like and then everyone around him is disappointed that he can't go through with it but everyone on the convicts boat the the the Group of people. He's like friends with or whatever like go to protect him. He like walks back and unlike all black friends like surround surround him and are like yeah. This is my theory is that everyone on the civilian boat is actually like guilty of insider trading they've never been convicted and then everyone on the boat of incarcerated people are in jail for like yeah they relate to like marijuana charge yeah and they're all actually on violent. Alan offenders. That's not necessarily a theory probably being on your it especially given their facial reactions kill a bunch of people right. I yeah I I feel like that. That scene does apart of what I like about this movie while where it's just kind of like a comic book like who is is good and who isn't what is good what is bad and like people who are put in certain boxes aren't actually that and I mean it's definitely like a very egregious example yeah but I I don't know I always liked that scene too but there should I mean there should be more people of color in this franchise and and seeing in different roles. I totally agree. There's there is another woman in this in this movie that we didn't mention and she is the one who's having sex in his bedroom with that man all he goes. Was it too safe room and she's like are you kidding me when Shit goes down at fundraising party and she's putting her back on as we all normally do very carefully buttoning assure all just so wrinkled at all sex positive icon truly in this movie out. There is young backing having an old man ring on her. We also have to bring up the woman who I think his name is Salvatore Maroni. He's in a nightclub with this woman and she's like go somewhere else. We can't hear each other talk and then he wasn't you think i WanNa hear you talk on Maroney's Salvatore Salvador Monroe we to choose from the female characters in the film and we've picked Natasha Natasha's the best one she you should have been seen more and we briefly so we mentioned Barbara Gordon a couple of times but she only really exists in relation to her husband. We see her primarily really doing mother stuff and being damsel. D- And crying Barbara is also the name of what's his wife and the rock yeah aw that's I'm Barbara. Hummel is on the wild the list of disgraced men. I'll just go through quickly quickly. I also dislike it was outed after hosie all so we didn't know at the time but Chris sale what a Christian Bale he was arrested for assault following a dispute between him and his mother and sister Shay Yeah. I was trying to read up on this. The details seem murky. Don't quite know enough to he's. He's denying he denied the allegations and it seemed like they were kind of dropped which shot for me never necessarily means that that is any reflection right so from his mother and sister that and he's also been known to have outbursts set a lot on stage with that accent crazy. I put that away Christie. How could we never figured out how to act the less cockney ultimate twists. I was crazy that he's landed in film for so long anonymous fully understood what he's he's almost always always doing an American accent or like posh British accent and then yeah you accent real life. You're like Oh. My man has received enough awards right. That's what the takeaway we've got. Michael Cain who loves BREXIT BREXIT okay but he's not so he's just justin idiot then too rich for his own good yeah okay but he's not like militias idiot. I I mean I would argue that anyone who's like in full. All Support of Brexit is like a bad person well. I think I like inherently racist and you know I see why I put them in different different categories and like assault and likewise yeah. I mean I win. Speaking Gary Oldman assaulted his wife. I forget what year that was but that came to light came out. That's so sad right before he won an Oscar anyways so really a wash for Gary. Morgan Freeman made many many unwanted sexual advances and remarks towards many women on different sets and then he also had a weird thing with his like step daughter water or someone who was in his family. Oh that one I don't know about the gun it's so hard to keep track of all the horrible men and all of their horrible misdeeds steeds and it's exhausting and so we're yeah and this is just a side fact about Christian Bale. I learned today that he at one point. It was Gloria Steinem Stepson. Oh so he's a feminist icon we he was her stepson and but his real mom mama sisters who he he did not. I think that more people would know if he assaulted Gloria Steinem and and also I mean it's worth saying that of all of these men are still working doing just fine. Yes so make of that what you will. This movie was Keith. We've talked about he. I mean they're antastic. I and no complaint. Nothing's come out come. As far as we know terrific guy I wanted to touch briefly on how mental illness is demonized. Ask this movie jokers character in a nutshell but Batman stands up for it right. He was like a schizophrenic and you wanted to hurt him. One line and then everybody else is crazy yeah yeah so one of jokers goons is described as being a paranoid schizophrenic the kind of mind that joker attract so. I don't know if it's even in in defense of that man or like saying like you shouldn't you know I think he's trying to sorry I keep interrupting on feminists. Wait their masculine energy. She was like you're like in an Alpha guy girl girl okay. Hey that is a free session but but I think he he stop someone from hurting. Yes he stops dent from shooting him mm-hmm right. I mean for me. It's there's so many like overly serious. Toxic male tropes that are given power in this movie. It comes down to kind of adaptation issue for me where it's like we have like the idea of silence in this world are like super stigmatized and if they are in a lot of comic book universes this is something that isn't really improved upon in this movie which which I think that the only thing it does is present the joker as complex more complicated and is to an extent multifaceted and we know that he is in pain from enduring being stigmatized and there is that I don't. I don't think it really goes far enough. I think that we'll since they name the specific illness paranoid schizophrenia and then because that's like the one specific representation we have of mental illness in this movie and then having that character who has that illness end up being a villain in a bad guy like bryce needs to die that does a lot of harm into say like Oh. It's the kind of mind that joker tracks which means that apparently then joker goes after are a lot of different people with maybe an array of mental illnesses and that means that all of those people with mental illnesses are demonize because they're all there. I think in general what Lake this is an issue. I love like Superhero Comic Books Movies. Everything like this is a an issue in general is like mental illness and then also like I hate the way scientists are portrayed because they're often like the same thing. It's like the mad scientist like there's never any like good engineers other than like Batman and Ironman right so I'm like. We're we're not all fucking crazy like we're not e. I think they often couple those things together like the most brilliant minds who are Vilnai's. Are these like mad. Scientists type people like scarecrow. Yes developed this technology but he's like using it for evil. You know so. I think that's like those are two things in general all comic books have an issue with usually usually we talked about different movies where like especially women in stem are demonized or like women in stem. Jason whether they're made to be witches riches false attempt to empower them yeah and be like CR women are more complicated but then it's like they're just evil you like smart and also caring and and whatever there is speaking to the mental illness conversation. I think that schizophrenia is like kind of disproportionately attacked in movies as seeming like truly like you cannot possibly function in society. bipolar is also a common thing. I feel like that's kind of invoked more in uh-huh slasher movies of like they're so to face and they can't Blah Blah and to all my bipolar heads out there. We're cool. We're chill. We're fun to be around me the manic superhero right like someone that's like. I'M GONNA go off cry today and then I think there's a different read of the joker that is just sort of really empathizing with like a misunderstood white guy who descends into violence even putting the mental illness conversation aside like I like that he he is made to be a complicated character by that movie. I think a lot of interesting things to be said about that but like ultimately if you're not reading it as an an attack on mental illness. He's a misunderstood white guy who kills people and that is you know. That's not nothing that alone stabber exactly let her know. He was always as kind of eccentric right right but no one. I don't think anyone in this movie called him a terrorist but that is what he is. He's her her because he's a white guy. No one's using that language in ever said terrorizing the city usually used that they might but they didn't call him specifically a terrorist not think because I don't think of terror I mean I know that they're pulled from the same root word but I don't think of someone saying like your terrorizing. The city is I think a terrorist is deputy do that with with like people of Color in these complex feel like they I don't know I think that the villains are almost always white men so I don't yeah at least we saved that you're not getting called in to terrorists in a marvel movie like we're just not in the marvel movie yeah but I think when you do have like a mental illness conversation aside a white male terrorists you know I think that they go further into justifying vying his actions and giving a context then you probably would if the villain were a person of color yeah. It's the yeah it's definitely now that we're talking about it this way and he's just it's like the outside character that people that dent chooses the dentists convinced by because he's tired of this system. That's trump that shit. That's like that chaos and like I'd rather take raining known than anything else that's trump yeah harvey dent drain the Swamp Yeah and there's I mean and then we can talk all day about like. Oh Batman just never processes trauma. He'd rather dress up like a bad deal with the death of his parents. I don't want to talk about it. Leave me alone. I'm going to go where my that costume. You're like. I think like identify with him because a lot of my depression people can't tell when I'm depressed because I just work harder. I Love Yeah Hi folding focusing yeah high functioning so it's like I just pour everything until like being a robot. I think that's probably why anyone have any final points about the Mufi. I just WanNa Natasha movie. Oh the Ballerina yes well that brings us to I mean we've already talked quite a bit about this but it does this movie past the Bechtol tests. I mean we yeah I guess it would be Ramirez talking to Barbara with that too line exchange because she's like those cops can't that'd be trusted go to two hundred fifty something street but she's technically talking about her protecting her daughter and son zero like Kinda see I but I felt like that did pass and it was an insane pass because she's being held at gunpoint by a man what's happening. That's also how Christopher Christopher Nolan put it in the movie like fine. I'll do it. I'm a feminist and then the other conversation where women are even in the same scene together which hardly happens but Rachel says to Natasha Natasha are you the Prema- and then Bruce Interrupts and says Prima Ballerina waited for the Moscow ballet so they don't even get to talk to each other because Bruce Wayne interrupts a woman yeah so the great movie uh-huh enjoy a good movie I'm glad that I mean it does sort of in context. It gives me a little bit of relief to know that Christopher Nolan got this note eventually to like. Please Stop Fridge in women as the center of the plot of every single one of your movies and it is nice to see progress you know because in spite of everyone's efforts men are not going to simply disappear so having them be allies women. in their work is as always encouraging. Yes all right. Let's write it on our nipple scale where we use a scale of zero to five nipples based on its representation and treatment of you've women give I I mean it's basically zero right. It might be point. I five hundred Tasha yeah. I think I like didn't notice how bad it was growing up because we were talking used to it exactly yeah and so it. It doesn't take away from how much I enjoy it as just a movie but I'm just like damn at least now we like like now. We have movies where it like. We are fulfilled. You know like we we have things that are happening right now but it really like pales in comparison when you compare it. I like I was just like there. I was searching for the women. There is hardly let's see they're barely around in that long of a movie and just like knowing that you know in this movie came out. It was not something registered for us. I don't think we're looking for it. You weren't exp- like you wouldn't expect it in a movie of this Genera especially so so y'all give it a half a nipple for Natasha being like an intellectual and just cool chooses like or just government yeah other than that I mean between all of the frigging the US barely getting to know the Rachel character not letting us us see her do her job. You know all that stuff. This movie I would say is not like outwardly contemptuous of women it just doesn't care about having them be in the movie and it doesn't make them like there are a lot of like superhero movies where the women are like unlikable. Damsel in distress like even more like they're just literally there to fuck so I feel like at least it's not bad. I've been saying at least here justifying this bullshit or it's still a good movie and so we're like yeah. I'll give my half nipple to Natasha. How many Nipples Yeah does it have. I wonder anyway not important to yeah. That's true Schumacher cannons as to I'm GONNA do a half to the same reasons especially because Rachel was written in for the movie that you can't even make inadaptation problem. You're just like it was written by Jonathan an Christopher Nolan yeah it. Most of those movies are and I'm just like we get it. You ought to kill your wife like whatever they're lazy. Writing stand up equivalent Evelyn. My Wife's a bit we create like maybe go to counselling can't trust her with my my fake death. I would be very like if I were Christopher. Nolan's why be like. Do we need to talk like what did I do anyways. Is it yeah just kind of like lazy writing and exclusion of women on the whole but I like Natasha have nipple. Give it time why not yeah same the same. I will say now that like as we're discussing this I realize like when I watched the movie my least favorite part of it was Rachel and I think it's because I couldn't take anything anything from Canon and like apply to her character justify anything because she wasn't it was like who is this bitch and like why it's like this. I don't like her character. As much as I want to kind humorless killjoy I also think well all inter distant 'cause she's like she's like I'm on time like I do this stuff but then it's like you know she's like inconsistent. Wavering between them and then like isn't as strong as you want her. She's just wavering the whole time and you're like who is don't know and they didn't like because she's not a character character. In comic books you can't just like apply that knowledge to her right and I also just remember from the press surrounding. This movie almost reminds me of like a Sarah Jessica Parker like how just Sarah Jessica Parker is treated during sex in the city where magill and hall was not perceived as attractive enough to be a romantic lead. There is a lot. I mean if you go back to. La I've got some receipts on it. I mean there's a lot of really gendered point to conversation about how people didn't find her hot enough to be in this movie so it's just you know we've we've grown. Magilla halls always been hot. Let's relax right. have have nipples across the board police. Thank you so much for being here on the shoe. What would you like to plug. I- co-produce facial recognition comedy which is on the second Sunday of every month. I was comedy theater in Santa Monica. We also have a podcast on Tuesday and I also run show called over sharing comedy in boomtown burry and that's biweekly so every two weeks on Thursdays in its over sharing comedy on like Instagram and then should I give my social. 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The Triads Pt. 2
"Something to note about secret societies all of the groups covered on this show operate in secret. The details included in this episode are based on extensive research but ultimately can never be one hundred percent verified except by society members themselves for every kernel of truth. There's a swath of misinformation strategically crafted by each group to protect their true goals and practices around ten. Am On Wednesday February twenty. Six Two thousand fourteen Kevin Lau Shinto parked his car in the Sai Wan Ho neighborhood of Hong Kong. He didn't make it far before. Suddenly he was stabbed once in the back twice in his legs. He never saw his attackers face. Whoever it was they fled the scene on the back of a motorbike driven. By an accomplice Mr Lau had recently been let go. As the chief editor of the Ming Pao newspaper his dismissal sparked protests in Hong Kong from citizens who feared the Chinese Communist. Party's suppression of the press. The attack was one in a string of assaults on Chinese journalists a year prior a car had been driven through the home of media executive Jimmy Lai. The culprits had left to presence in lies driveway a machete at an axe Francis Moriarty. The head of the Press Freedom Committee told reporters Hong Kong's reputation as a free and international city will suffer if such crimes go unsolved and unpunished but in the darkest corners of Hong Kong freedom only means what the triads say it does and you can't punish the men who break the law if they're also the ones enforcing it. Hi I'm Vanessa Richardson. I'm Greg Poulsen. And this is secret societies. Apar- cast original every Thursday. We examine history's most exclusive organizations from around the world and try to shine a light on the truth behind these mysterious groups from the illuminating to the order of nine angles will explore how much impact each secret society actually had on the world around them. This is our second and final episode on the triads a Chinese secret society that began in the Fujian province around seventeen sixty one. It started as a means of survival away to rebel against the corruption of the Ching Dynasty before becoming a criminal enterprise. Last week we discussed the beginnings of secret societies in China and the circumstances that led to the formation of the triads. We also took a deep dive into their bloody initiation rituals their culture and how being a part of the triads was considered a crime punishable by death by the government this week. We'll follow the triads expansion across the globe from the eighteen. Hundreds to the twenty first century the triads that raged against the political establishment. Were No more today. They are the government. At the turn of the nineteenth century the blood brothers of the triad secret society spread their influence from Fujian province into the Guangdong Province. Then to Guangxi Hunan Yunan and Guay. Joe You can think of a Chinese province like an American state and each of these provinces are larger than Pennsylvania in total these six provinces. Cover more than five hundred thousand square miles. The success of their expansion can be attributed to two things documentation and autonomy both of which may seem in Congress in one of the world's most dominant secret societies but written accounts of their rituals ceremonies songs oats and rules ensured the triads a uniformity in foundation that would otherwise have been difficult to achieve and just because there was documents doesn't mean that it was easy to get your hands off. You have to earn the right to start a new unit. The benefit of the triads autonomous units. So to speak was that they allowed for expansion without the risks of a more hierarchical structure think about it as a deck of fifty two cards with each card representing a unit of the triads. Now build a house out of them if you were to remove one of them say the ten of diamonds it could cause the entire structure to collapse everything you bill to might come crashing down just like that. Now take that same deck and spread all fifty two cards across a room. Then take away the ten of diamonds. What would happen? You'd be left with fifty one cards all right where they were intended to be. The autonomy of each new group actually added to the society's veil of secrecy if you were a triad in Hunan Province you likely wouldn't know your Yunan brethren if you pass them on the street you might not even know. They were triads in Yunan at all. And there's power in that separation if you're caught by the police. You only have so many names to give no matter how badly they tortured you no matter how much money they offered the survival of one unit or one individual didn't preclude the survival of the whole meanwhile proper documentation meant that the triumphs culture ceremonies oaths and rituals remained consistent as each new unit cropped up and because of that consistency. They were able to take advantage of their numbers. In travels to strange lands triads could find fellow members using secret codes if they raised three fingers towards the sky or press them against their chest. They might suddenly find themselves in the presence of another brother. Someone who seconds earlier had been a complete stranger and being a blood brother was a powerful thing. It meant protection shelter food and knowledge wherever you went. It meant. You're never alone. You're always bound to a secret. Society of men sworn to protect and support you at all costs even death. Mutual Aid it's the lifeblood of the triads one that started as a tenant of survival and became an order of business in the earliest stages. The brothers of the triad set up underground structures as a means for rebellion thievery rallying against the corruption in their land stealing to survive but as the profits from their minor crimes. Increased greed grabbed the triads by the throat. And the same underground structures that allowed the triads to rise up and take from the crooked officials translated seamlessly to other crimes like sex work gambling smuggling and extortion soon enough. What began as the people secret society with mottos like obey Heaven and work? Righteousness became a self serving criminal organisation. More akin to the Mafia. This transition into the new age of triads didn't happen all at once. Many unit still maintain their political ethos and activism and not just as a cover for their crimes. They believed in their purpose. It was just that some units push their criminal ventures farther than others and perhaps not so coincidentally. The rise of the triumphs in China paralleled the rise in the drug trade more specifically opium narcotics but the blood brothers weren't alone in trafficking not in the slightest but British. We're coming. The colonization of Hong Kong has a complex and sorted history. But it begins with opium by the Mid Eighteenth Century England's east India company or IAE see ruled the seas and thus the trade routes of southern Asia. They were what's known as a joint stock company meaning that company stock could be bought and sold by shareholders. But what's most important for you to know? Is They were a private corporation. They were in no way government organization at the time the triads were forming in the Fujian Province of China. In seventeen sixty to the east. India company had colonized much of India. The world's largest producer of opium at the time by seventeen seventy three just a decade later. The I see was the largest importer of opium into China as the margins from opium made. The rich more countries started to chip away at Britain's monopoly in order to get their own piece of the Pie who when or why doesn't matter so much what matters is the effected hat on China. The influx of drugs was absolutely devastating to the country and its citizens. The Chinese government fought hard against the foreign profiteers but they're edicts decrees never managed to slow or stop the drug trade. They even offered to buy the IAE sees opium stores off the British hoping that they would take the money or in this case t and leave their country alone but their offer was denied so in eighteen thirty nine China implemented a blockade of all foreign ships preventing any unknown trade vessels from docking in their harbours. If any came close Chinese officials would seize their goods by force. The Sea was so aghast that they called upon the English government to come to their aid in other words a joint-stock company of illegal smugglers called on the Royal Navy for assistance to help them sell class a narcotics in a foreign land and the British government answered their play. What ensued is known as the First Opium War as with all wars? Of course it was fraught with bloodshed but it ended in defeat for the Chinese on August. Twenty ninth eighteen forty two. The Treaty of Nanking was signed. It ceded control of Hong Kong to Britain's Queen Victoria in perpetuity. Later it would be known by the Chinese as the first unequal treaty. What is all that have to do with the triads well? The British rule in Hong Kong was difficult for secret societies. The official story as told by the British was that the triads were a threat to the safety of Chinese citizens but they were also one of the biggest threats to British business in the coming decades. British rulers would try and snuff out the fire of the triads banning secret societies. Sex work gambling and illegal trade. Where they could. They implemented to the societies ordinance and the Organized and Serious Crimes Ordinance one in Singapore and the other in Hong Kong both essentially made participation in triad societies illegal but when convenient British also called upon the triads to use their strength and their numbers in war. It was a complex and often tumultuous relationship but luckily for the triads they had strength in numbers they were already spreading across the world. Their structure would outlast the British suppression. Not only would they never disappear but they would soon rise with a vengeance coming up the Shanghai massacre of nineteen twenty seven podcast listeners. 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Or wherever? You get your podcasts now. Back to the story. By the end of the nineteenth century the triads spread across Asia and made their way into new continents foreign drug trafficking in China led to the opium wars which in turn led to the Treaty of Nanking that ceded control of Hong Kong to Britain. Tensions mounted between the new colonial rule and the triad societies of centuries past the details of the next one hundred years are a bit murky to some extent trying to track the triads into and through the twentieth century is an exercise in futility partly because as new units cropped up all over the world their numbers guy rocketed by two thousand. The triads infiltrated Europe. Australia Japan South Africa Latin America Russia the Philippines Thailand Canada and the United States at their peak there may have been as many as three hundred different triad groups and more than five hundred thousand triad members in Hong Kong alone literally a sixth of the city's population at the time and considering women and children rarely if ever were allowed to participate that means more than one in every three men living in Hong Kong after Hong Kong. Taiwan was the largest home for the triads but to contextualized these statistics. Let's unpack what it really meant to be a triad beginning with their name as we discussed last episode. The word is a loose translation of the Chinese phrase. San Ho we or the triple unions society. The word itself was likely coined by the British to describe the descendants of the Tian de. Hoy Secret Society and as we said by the time the British colonized Hong Kong those descendants had gone by a slew of different names triad was a classification for the many secret societies that shared a common culture blood rituals oaths and codes. No matter how connected they actually were one of their biggest unifiers until the turn of the century was their common purpose their final and most important oath number thirty six. I shall be loyal and faithful and shall endeavour to overthrow the Ching and restore the Ming. Our common aim is to avenge our five ancestors but in nineteen twelve but Ching Dynasty fell the role that the triads played in their collapse can't exactly be defined. We know they were engaged. In stirring up unrest and creating instability instability that weakened the Ching rule and allowed others like the revive China Society. And the Nationalist Party of China to stage uprisings and members of the triads could have participated in both in fact they could have made up a large portion of each. But there's no way to know for sure. After the Ching Dynasty collapsed the triads were directionless. They had no more enemies to oppose. The only motivation left was mutual aid and without a clear purpose. The glue that held the triads together likely started to come apart. Units may have become more distinct and separate but that separation doesn't necessarily imply that the Brits use of the Word Triads was inaccurate. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that most of these groups continue the same blood rituals and upheld the same old says their predecessors. They continued to impress loyalty on any brother who joined. The question is whether their continued to extend to all most or even any of the other triad groups after all if you were a part of the most profitable triad units in Say New York. You might not feel inclined to assist your brethren from a smaller society in San Francisco. What's in it for you especially as you're illegal? Businesses grew and you potentially saw each other as competitors and we know that practice like this existed many triad groups across the world were divided by ethnicity dialect and of course distance even groups that occupy the same cities became rivals most notably the two largest triad groups in Hong Kong. The Fourteen K and the Chignon. But it's nearly impossible to draw lines that either connect or divide the groups we know existed remember their survival and their businesses depended on secrecy. There's only so much we can know about any given group. Even specialists have a hard time tracking the triads. For example. In two thousand eleven telling police in Prato began investigation called China truck. The operation was looking into a Chinese organization. They believed preyed on trucking companies in China. And they did so by controlling the roads and extorting they could. It took them seven years to infiltrate and when they did. They realized that the group had control over. Trucking routes in France Spain and Germany as well through quote affiliates. They were peddling drugs selling fake merchandise running sex work rings and operating illegal gambling houses in just one sting. The police arrested thirty three men and seized goods. That were worth millions of dollars. Italy's chief anti-mafia prosecutor Federico Cafiero Dharamshala told reporters. It's quite unusual to be able to identify a complex Chinese mafia organization. Like this and that's coming from the country that created the term via in our research. We weren't able to find a name for the group that was caught. Only its leader. It was headed by a man named Junk Neijiang Aka the Black Man. Police did however note that the group structure likely came from the eastern Chinese provinces of Zeng Gong and Fujian which means it was likely a triad. But say remember punishment for ratting out your brothers or revealing any of the triad secrets is death as for the elements required to make any group authentic triad. We're just going to use our best judgment. There's certainly no rubric. So in examining the triads through the twentieth century it's important to keep that context in mind. What little information we have about the triads as a whole is inevitably not going to apply to all the individual groups and when we do speak about alleged triads units. It's often nearly impossible to confirm their connection to the hall. So now that that's sorted. Let's dive back into the triads journey into the modern age after the collapse of the Qing Dynasty mainland China. The Chinese Nationalist Party rose to power with it came what might have been the triads. First collaboration with an official government regime and the result was quite literally a massacre on April twelfth. Nineteen twenty seven. The Chinese Nationalist Party took to the streets to purge Shanghai of what the Party considered to be their greatest opponents. Communists they enlisted the assistance of criminal gangs like the triad group known as the Green Gang in order to help them and the green gang obliged to thousands of its members helped slaughter the communists though an exact death toll isn't known. Thousands of people were arrested and hundreds were executed. Many of them really rivers of blood ran through the streets. Thousands of others went missing most likely. The Nationalist Party achieved the deal through direct cash payment or by allowing the Green Gang to sell opium without consequence or both but maybe the triads stepped into thank the regime whose predecessors helped overthrow their mortal enemies but. Ching maybe the triads hated communist too but it seems unlikely according to low T. Wing a professor at City University of Hong Kong. The triads don't work for political ideology anymore. Individual Triad members may have their own ideologies but triads as a group. They only work for money. And there's plenty of evidence to support lows assessment of the triads as pure opportunists in nineteen. Forty one the British government in Hong Kong called upon the triads to help them fight off the invading Japanese during the Pacific wars of world. War Two the very same government that had tried to suppress the triads in Hong Kong. Now ask for their support in a meeting. On December Twelfth Nineteen forty one the British allegedly met with representatives from a number of different triad groups and offered twenty thousand Hong Kong dollars for their support in addition to the cash. They were offered protection and leeway for many of their criminal activities. The triads turned the offer down. It wasn't enough. The Brits then countered the offer and promise the triads could name their price after the war if they joined so they did the fairweather allegiances of the triads continued. In a decade. They'd be found working with the next regime to take control of the mainland. The Communist Party of China. The same party that they'd previously slaughtered in the streets of Shanghai for the right price. The triads of the twenty first century would work with anyone and it doesn't hurt if they happen to have common enemies like democracy and the press coming up the triads and the Communist Party tried to silence the media no back to the story in nineteen forty nine. The Communist Party of China took over the mainland. At first the triads and other criminal organizations experienced a crackdown at borstal. Mass migration into British ruled Hong Kong and in Hong Kong citizens attitudes towards colonial rule were becoming increasingly hostile but triads able to capitalize on that sentiment and expand to numbers that they had never seen before. In fact the triads took over an old military fort in defiance of Hong Kong law known as the Kowloon Walled City. It was a poor densely populated area. Where thirty thousand people lived in three hundred buildings on seven acres of walled in land the Kowloon Walled City was so overrun with crime. That it became ungoverned for years. The British took a hands off approach to the walled city and the triads thrived particularly the two groups that would become the most dominant triad organizations in Hong Kong the fourteen k and the Sheen Eon eventually the Kowloon walled city could no longer be ignored and of the early nineteen hundreds. After countless police raids an extensive eviction and ultimately a demolition Cologne walled city was converted into a park. The triads of course managed to survive as they always have though some actually left their life of crime behind and transitioned to legal institutions according to an article in the New York Times during the late nineteen sixties and early nineteen seventies corruption among Hong Kong. Police officers and collusion with triads was common by the nineteen eighties and nineties. The veil of secrecy around the triads became the darkest it may have ever been if the triads had the police and the press in their corner who is going to report on their crimes. How can they ever be held accountable? Newspaper distribution in Hong Kong is closely connected with organized crime groups. That statement is from an article on the website affects the about section of their website reads each year through collaboration and innovation affects members and the secretariat find creative ways to defend and promote freedom of expression strengthened the power of our network and bring about real change. They publish news that is unable to reach broad audiences due to censorship or government regulations in certain countries. Most of their articles are published anonymously. Many of them and with to action and the proper channels to go through in order to reach someone who might be able to help bring about change. A particular article discusses a vicious assault on a Chinese journalist in Hong Kong Eighth Fifteenth Nineteen ninety-six reporter. Leong tinware was in his office Inquiry Bay. He had just finished a press conference announcing the launch of a brand new tabloid surprise weekly when two men entered they asked to speak to the. Leeann ushered the men into a private conference room and the door clicked shot behind them. What if any conversation happened is unknown? The next thing anyone in the office heard was screaming. A fellow journalist ran to see what was happening when he opened the door. He was slashed by a knife. The two men who had come to speak to young sprinted from the room and out of the building. Leon was barely conscious inside. His left forearm had been cut off along with both of his palms investigators. Later found to seventeen inch knives discarded on the first floor of the office. Building and violence against the press became more frequent on September eighth. Nineteen Ninety Eight. A bomb went off in a police officer's vehicle in Macau journalists and reporters rushed to the aftermath but the first explosion was just bait when police in media crews got near a second bomb was triggered ten bloodied journalists and four. Policemen ran screaming from the scene. Fearing another explosion. It may have been a warning to reporters there stay in line with the Communist Party of China because the triads are out there in two thousand thirteen. A car was sent through media. Mogul Jimmy Lai's house. In two thousand fourteen journalist. Kevin Lau Shinto was stabbed three times in broad daylight. An article written about the attack mentions that it came after several less series attacks on journalists in Hong Kong and just three days after a protest over concerns about press freedom in the territory. The collusion between the Communist Party and the triads is often discussed as fact but all. The evidence is circumstantial. Naturally no journalist has gone so far as to prove that they've definitely been working together by presenting hard evidence honestly who can blame them. An investigation could mean losing an arm or your life and Hong. Kong has become a hotbed for these crimes because of its unusual political history in nineteen ninety-seven. Hong Kong was transferred back to Chinese control under the stipulation that British freedoms regulations and systems stay intact until twenty forty seven so Hong Kong belongs to China but isn't obliged to actually follow Communist law. And as you can imagine. China's leaders are not thrilled by that concept to give just a small insight into the differences between Hong Kong and mainland China. Hong Kong is subject to much lower tax rates free trade and far less government interference. The triads are in a way the perfect tool to maintain the censorship that happens in the mainland without needing to implement official law. Anyone who crosses the communist government in Hong Kong could find themselves in the crosshairs of the triads. If history proves anything the triumphs are likely being by the Communist Party to exert unofficial force but the triads benefit from the censorship because if the media fears them they can continue to hide in plain sight. They can sleep easily knowing that their activities won't be landing any front page not at the journalist want to keep their lives and the thing about censorship official or not is that by. Its very nature. It's the absence of news. And the absence of anything is GonNa make it difficult to track or quantify which makes you wonder how much isn't being reported. But we don't have to wonder when violence is public enough to catch the attention of the international community on October. Third Two thousand fourteen pro democracy protesters occupying the Mongkok neighborhood in Hong Kong. They were mostly students. Who felt their rights? The ones promised to them. Until you're twenty. Forty-seven were being infringed. Upon by the Chinese government. The day prior officials had warned the protesters that there would be chaos if they continued to occupy the streets and they delivered on that promise as rain began to fall on the protesters. A few dozen male civilians storm their camps. The men shoved punched and spit on the demonstrators and tore down their tents and the police were slow to react. Some of the female protesters were groped and sexually harassed while the police allegedly watched and did nothing as the scene came to an end. The activists were bleeding and battered was taken away on a stretcher and hooked up to oxygen. According to an article in the New York Times police confirmed that eight of the men involved with the attack had ties to the triads and the incident bears a striking similarity to one. That happened just recently. When hundreds of Pro Democracy activists gathered in Hong Kong to protest an extradition bill passed by legislators and the bill is a big deal. In Layman's terms. It grants Hong Kong officials the ability to transfer anyone to another country if they're wanted for a crime that country legislators claimed they needed to pass the bill quickly. In order to deliver justice to a Hong Kong man who was wanted in Taiwan for the murder of his girlfriend. It sounded simple almost reasonable but it was just the opposite pro. Democracy supporters feared that the extradition bill would essentially legalize criminal practice. That was already happening. The abduction of Hong Kong citizens as a means to subject them to communist law. They were using the case of the man who murdered his girlfriend to hide their real motives and they had every right to believe that was the case in two thousand sixteen. A bookseller named Lam Wing Key was abducted by communist officials on the border between Hong Kong and the mainland and was locked in a cell. Despite having committed no crimes lamb remained in that cell in solitary confinement for five months lamb later commented to reporters on his experience. I could only look up to the sky. It can happen to you to. I want to tell the whole world. Hongkongers will not bow down to brute force. Communist officials allegedly wanted information from him. They wanted him to name. The authors of books that were published anonymously why they contained anticommunist sentiment similarly in January two thousand seventeen billionaires Xiaojun Wa went missing from Hong Kong. It was later discovered that he was locked in a cell on mainland China. Not much is known about why or what happened. So when citizens of Hong Kong gathered to protest the extradition bill in the summer of two thousand nineteen protesters were fighting for their civil rights and thousands upon thousands of people took to the streets when night fell on July twenty first two thousand nineteen dozens of men dressed in white and wearing surgical masks flooded a local subway terminal and began attacking protesters and members of the media. They were armed with iron bars clubs and polls were they the triads as the recording of this episode. These protests are still ongoing. So what are the triads now? Will it depends which ones you're referring to there? Are those out there. That don't lead lives of crime. There are those that exclusively lead of crime and were sure there are those that fall into a gray area in between but the triumphs that have become the muscle to the Communist Party of China are perhaps the ones that have fallen the farthest from their origins from their humble beginnings trying to survive an oppressive regime. They've become the oppressive regime that they once fought so hard against they've become the silencers. China is currently one of the most censored countries on the planet in two thousand nineteen forty-eight journalists were locked away in their prisons more than any other country and the extent of media. Censorship only grows worse every day. We opened our first episode with a suggestion. That triads could be anywhere. They could be closer than you think. And that's true. There are hundreds of thousands of alleged triad members spread out all over the World New York Los Angeles Hong Kong London Singapore Amsterdam San Francisco Boston Malaysia Texas Sydney but like most criminal organizations and gangs unless you yourself are living a life of crime. You probably won't cross there. Pats the triads that you really have to be worried about. Are the ones in Hong Kong? They're the real threat. The one setting a precedent for what can be accomplished in silence by cutting off access to the facts and objectivity in the absence of truth a government or any organization can control. What you believe is real. They can create their own society and design it however they would like a secret society that you may not even know your apart of thanks again for tuning into secret societies. We'll be back Thursday with a new episode for more information on the triads amongst the many sources we used. We found the book the origins of the Tian de Hoy by D. N. 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Episode 236: The Man Behind the Camera
"This week's episode of the Bon appetit food cast is brought to you by made well where the motto is good days start with great jeans. How do they make them great may dwell uses premium denim and offers men's and women's styles for seriously everyone also you can recycle any brand of jeans and a maid will store and they'll give you twenty dollars off a new pair? They work with the blue jeans. Go Green Program to turn all genes into housing insulation for communities in the need rated. Find your perfect fit stop by a maid well store or go to made well dot com for details guys. I'm an report and this is the food cast all right this week. We have alex allow our star staff photographer going on six years now a Lotta you asked about the photos in the magazine how it all comes without how the shooter produced Tetris KC. What's the life is of a staff photographer suicide to give you a little peek into Alice's world about his career how he got started to be a and what what it's like to travel around the country and the world eating shooting all day every day and then after that it's molly vases turn to give us her top ten? Cooking roles are guys. Let's do this all right so this is your second time with the pot getting our concern Osama veteran okay known at the table. No crunchy snacks crunchy snacks. No no shaking of the coffee ice loud. There are months where like weeks will go by. We're I'm like how am I literally. Don't know where your I will not have seen you for two weeks. Yeah that is basically the story of my life. Sometimes I don't even know where I am. I'll wake up hotel. Mike Oh yeah no. I'm in Appleton Wisconsin. Oh No oh now I'm in San Antonio Texas. Yeah I mean we talk about a few issues in your job in general but in our travel issue that came on May so you you shot almost the entire feature will yeah does may two thousand nineteen you were in Beirut with Andy Burgundy tracked and then you I'm just flip through the pages then you were in Taipei with Suli and also burgundy and Andy any wanted to tag on everything so that was a big photo portfolio of yours your shot in Allison Rome in spring break menu story that was just in New York yeah that was here in the building the buildings that was as basic recipe story and then you shot photos for our red sauce America package which brought you. Where did you go for this one? Oh man that was a lot. I think that was six cities L. A. L. A. Philly New Orleans. Oh my God. Where did I go? I mean you literally can't remember yeah I it was like four to five cities. I guess my first question is I think a lot of fans of yours. WanNa know like how do you end up as a staff dog for at a food magazine like whenever someone asked me about this is I'm the worst possible personnel asked because it's purely luck and circumstance stance and my only goal and still the only like hey just don't get fired and spend closing up on your six and I still get asked to come back every day and there were definitely moments early on we're Alex pollick grocer artificial photo department critic Blake. I'M GONNA kill Lau a huge mistake so you start off as an intern turn years ago yeah. That's my freshman year of college. I just wanted to do something with my life and not just go home for the summer to California and you know Oh bummer and my parents house so I wanted to find an internship and I've always had a fascination with the magazine world apply too much internships. Nobody got got back to me in like a week. Before summer started. I saw a posting for esquire magazine to be a fashion closet intern. Oh and I was like that sounds cool. That sounds way out of my reach. I am hugely under qualified for that but I'M GONNA shoot my shot and Michael Steph. who was the fashion assistant at the time got back to me? He's like when can you come in based on what oh it. Did you have background. It was the most underqualified letter ever. It was basically hey. Here's my resume. I was a lifeguard in high school. I was a high school tutor and I intern at the State House in Massachusetts in politics nothing related to magazines but I really love menswear and here's like my favorite menswear blogs and here's my favorite brands brand's. I like fashion. I can work hard and he got back to me. Can I just say that. I am a lot of times when I talked to young people who are just out of college in their writing you you know letters to inquire about a job and they read like they're written by a law firm. I'm always like learning be yourself. Be passionate sort of expose yourself so to speak but that's what's GonNa grab some somebody's attention one hundred. I think the way I showed her. The letter wasn't like the formerly hi my name's dogs home. Hey My name's Alex. I'm really excited about this. I know him not meant for this Gig but I will do whatever it takes gap and so forth and they took a chance on me and that kind of was my segue into the New York City magazine publishing world and it turns out having square on your resume. Just opens opens up a lot of doors but it was great. It was just my eighteen years old. I didn't get paid but I got to see how magazines work I've got to be on fashion shoots Justin Timberlake Lake and Ryan Gosling and wow poll like hold fourteen thousand dollar jackets and look it Nick Sullivan whose whose the editor in chief at the time Grainger David David David grange just like talk shop and like this is amazing. This is legendary and that made me really WANNA stick with it yeah very recall okay so internship at esquire. How then does that lead you to be a so after that? I was convinced that I wanted to stay in publishing. Look fashion. menswear ended up at Nylon guys Juku for a little bit complex four pins so I was very very much in that circuit as an intern just doing minimal intern work but after a couple of years I was just like this is not really what's my angle here. I don't WANNA be stylus. I don't WanNa be a fashion writer. The idea of being a photographer and fashion was just you know. I didn't even sit down. That's not going to happen so after this is my third yes approaching my third year of college. I A Internet a bunch of or apply uh-huh bunch of other internships again. Nobody got back to me. Despite actually this I'm being off and having a lot of magazines in Monroe oster I applied to like yeah a a couple of mags won't be noted but they're they're. They're okay. They just get back. I mean I saw a posting for bone apetite photo internship and I was like I know nothing nothing about food. I like pictures. I took photo classes in high school and college. So how active a photographer were you at this point. It's like I'm not active. I don't know I took a lot of fissures in high school. I had my own flicker account. I you were you were you were definitely interested. We're sitting at least and I took pictures of the school paper and stuff like that. I I was a you know an avid hobbyist as major so do you did you come in an interview like what God you the job ultimately so I went in again. It's always like a last minute. Call in showed up from Boston and I met with Jake. Ramoser are former photo assistant and he he gave me a talk. Hey so turn yeah. It looks like you've worked a lot of magazines. you have zero photo experience and you have zero food experience so you're pretty underqualified but honestly the only person here that's interviewed. That's worked at large publications so we're GonNa go with you. So that was basically it was it was Bazeley. Hey you're you've worked at reputable places so we'll hire yeah. I do think that's interesting interesting career wise like over the years. I've worked at James Beard Foundation in Time Out New York and the food's severe than G. Q. Got more fashion thing that came back to food. I was a sports writer in college like it is you can move around and I think one thing that editors employers look for is that you do have experience in in a particular field and that you know how to get stuff done that you know under you understand what the industry requires but within that sort of industry you can shoot food. You can shoot you know people. You can do all these things. You don't have to be in one lane. One hundred percent I think at the time I was taking some classes and I was also I was studying NPR print journalism at the time and I remember talking about that with Jake and he was like Oh. This is a plus because you kind of understand writing thing and photography on some level so we'll run with this so he didn't internship summer internship a year or so later. We ended up hiring you as a foot assistant no so I did this summer internship and I was like this is way better than working fashion. Everyone's so much nicer yeah yeah. It was a great time and I was like in order for me to WANNA stay in this world I can see I need to shift from fashion to food media so then I went back to Boston awesome for my senior year and as as I left Alex pollock the photodetectors times like hey we love your great. Just reach out when you're when you're graduating we can like. Maybe you keep you keep you happy. Come back so I would always send emails and I say hey just graduated like three months three or four months. I would love to come talk about a photo editor assistant role. Did you in the interim year. Were you working on shooting things. Decrease your portfolio to share with Alex to say hey I just want. I've been shooting a lot. Take a look at my stuff. Yes so thankfully because of my time I she went over to Boston magazine for my senior of college and I ended up being digital intern which basically means I was just doing every anything and everything for the website correct the king yeah yeah I remember being so proud and like twenty years old on my I've got years of intern experience. I haven't been paid for any of them but you we know I've seen some stuff like that really was my my pride enjoy worked a lot of places and they harden managed digital intern and they also gave me bill do photo take pictures and do have my own bylines socially once a lot of times when you get your foot in the door somewhere are the the brand or the magazine wherever they need people to do stuff go. You can go okay but we'll trust you. There's something trustworthy about you. Then people are all right. Go give this a shot. You'd have a DVD will keep doing it. I must really thankful that it was a web internship versus print because obviously no one's GonNa give any Interna print byline whereas it's much lower risk to teachers hey make something for lab and if it's really good we'll Polish and if not we won't publish in no one will ever or care about low budget so it was just gave me a lot more freedom and they knew that I worked at the food magazine before okay so you know how to take pictures of food. You were photo intern turn. I'm like yeah I guess I mean I. I saw Marcus Nelson. Do you like an overhead shot of something by a window so I can do that. How hard can it be yeah so I mean I I? I did it and they would. It was really cool. I mean they sent me there. Okay so we'll just have you do restaurants so they would send me like once a week in shoot for four restaurants a week and just shoot it for their website so who was giving you guidance about photos style at that point what kind of shots they wanted from the restaurants. It's nobody else really. They just assumed you knew what you were doing. The funny thing is I applied to Boston magazine to be a photo inter. I WANNA continue that path that track of being working for requirements it's but they they didn't want but then the digital department got back to me. I didn't really have communication with the magazine so it was just kind of me and our digital editor who just send me. I was like Oh this. Let's get this close enough to bone advocate and some overhead shots off light and like keep doing this and I would just bike around Boston Jason and go to a bunch of restaurants that are digital restaurant editor Chris Hughes covered and yeah it was it was really good training. It's really good training. I looking back it was really great just being able to go in and practice and shoot restaurants for relatively low risk and have that be an internship set eh great base so then I shot all these restaurants and as shooting what's in all this stuff to Alex pollick. I'm like hey portfolio. I shoot now in addition to having photo auto experience so just want to let you know what I'm doing. This and I'm up to no response and I'll like follow them like hey just checking and see what the situations no response so throughout throughout the course of the year never email back. I called a couple times. I showed up to four times square once in all the Hayes show which I looking back now through knowing what I do a terrible idea. No one's going to respond to you just show Bible. I asked the security guard Oh. Can I mean with Alex politics. She's not answering her phone. Oh my God yeah so I never heard back from her about still emailer just like literally throwing a bottle newish and I'm like the worst field akber. When I was graduating college cow? I became obsessed with working fashion. Yeah I really wanted to work at L. Magazine girlfriend whoever would read and I remember sending sending someone like all these letters and she would never get back to me and then finally gen ys L. got to know over the years later she had a call. A PAT says January's L. From L. Magazine first of all the only reason I'm calling you because you wrote an article about my boyfriend's band for your paper Lasso said anyway. So what do this whole did not get the job but I was like you know you fixate on moving to the big city and you're getting a job and you get consumed ruined by that and it doesn't always work out like you wanted to but I do think the important thing is that you have that desire and drive to go do it absolutely yeah and and I think when I was in college at the time I was really confused. Why don't people respond to my emails? I'm sending a request just respond in Banal now that I do what I do and I work in this magazine. I kind of get it. It's like you get a lot of these emails and like the pile up yeah and I it's kind of bottom priority unfortunately so eventually brought you on like a junior editor Komo person so over the years in this is now six years later yeah in May and May next May it'll be yours and you are if I may or star photographer now you're but that also means it means a lot of work. Yes let's fast forward to our best new restaurants issue which just came out the Hutton ten best new restaurants in America. You shot six of them. You should be the number one restaurant in L. A. Heck here accountable shop in Dallas elision bar in New Orleans potassium in New York come to our development in Baltimore in Wolf's Taylor in in Denver yes and he shot all of this. I can two weeks or something I think he was. Maybe not even two weeks with a little break. So maybe a little under two weeks of shooting so this was essentially you and Michelle outlet creative director correct on the road together like a like the white stripes or something. We're a band yeah and so how does that work. I mean this is just like just like hey shop at the restaurant and we're supposed to be here and maybe they know you're coming or don't or like is disorganized. How organizes it I think people tend to have a perception that like all of my shoots her thirty people onset master production so many lights weights unlike lots of hustle and bustle? It's like realistically it's me and Michelle in a rental car. Driving in Dallas and charge was okay. You know photo letter emailed about this shoot they were doing. We'll just be here for today and tomorrow which has got to do couple shots and like I it's it's just shooting. Restaurants is really weird and shooting from studio. It's your first of all in a new city secondly urine someone's space so it's like this is not your comfort zone and you you have to they don't want the flash yes which I'm sure they don't like almost always nobody likes my flesh the amazing one of my favorite allow photos ever when we did a admonition admission Burrito story back and you shut that one dude at the BURRITO store. He's a hand off hand covering his hand. They don't even do this. I'M GONNA keep shooting man. I gotta get this shot it with this sort of your tag team you and Michelle is she. The one who's trying to smooth talk the owners has to be like hey it's cool. Just let's do this or you chatting or how does that negotiation where it's a little bit above and then sometimes before she the bad good copy near the backup no now I mean more than always she's a good cop. It's generally more of a two double good cop situation because you just gotta go in and Schmooze everybody yeah they're. You're there in a couple of times not for the restaurant you but for other travelers were I would like park. There's one time I went to park my car and is is I'm walking back a dropped off. Michelle calzones like hey what's up. This is just current situation. I just wanted to let you know the the people in here are very mean. What is I gotta go so then I roll up to the restaurant and as I was walking okay I got a lay on the term we use? He's got to play real nice. It's a lot of managing personalities and you just never know what's GonNa go. What okay the restaurant was it? We can't say it was like don't say it on here. Why now we already shot it it was I mean it doesn't matter it? It was a was I think it was Dan Tana's in wow yeah. They're not mean they're just tough antenna. God blessed antennas there again they don't. They don't need the publicity. They're not impressed now. They've got like Jerry West coming coming in there. You Know Magic Johnson. They don't need Alex allow they don't they don't know who we are. They don't care who you are but I mean for the most part all modern current restaurants have been very nice and like hospitable understand the press game and how it works himself. I mean some of them. Do some of them have a really refined polished game they have a PR up. There and others like this is like their biggest shoot. They've used the only used to having local outlets cover them on the website like Oh. We don't really know but just do whatever you want. So of these six you shot for the best new restaurants Frans issue which of this six was the most challenging and why when we look at this list oh man. It's very much like you just Kinda have to you go through severe severe accident. You have to forget everything after look through everything there are all pretty challenging in their own ways but at the same time everything was very pretty okay I'm so sorry to coney but Komi is a very difficult space to shoot. It's in L. A. It's very long and narrow and it's never not crowded. As far as I can tell and I we we clearly wanted to I've shot it before and I remember going back that first time and just struggling because it wasn't prepared. It's a small space as a small narrow space and there's not as an aside listeners when Alex Lau is he's not shooting a gazillion photographs for us he is a competitive power left her act so what's your height weight right now five eight and I'm currently one one eighty seven because I'm cutting weight. Normally what you have your. What's your heaviest you get to leading a Kowal competing? I'm light but when I'm training them with one ninety seven yeah so I'm not GonNa say you're a border China shop at times but you have developed a reputation for sometimes bumping into things or even if I weighed one hundred and thirty pounds I'd still oh constantly bump into things I I. I think I think size has nothing to do with something to do with it. Raises the margin of error. I imagine we we have a camera up to your face. You're not necessarily sorry aware what's behind your to decide. You know kind of knock it into you know yeah I mean like for for this travel issue in Beirut. I first of all I was the sickest I've ever been I now I've never done a shoot so sick. I had terrible food poisoning or something. My body aches like going to the bathroom route five minutes but so we were just doing a shot I dish and we were in some very nice. Man's house look very Mansi Mansion and I was standing on a Toronto and I was shingle table. It was a table in the backyard and I remember getting the shot and Michelle was like don't don't stand alone. I don't stand I'm Michelle. You want this show you gotta do it and I stand in within like back. Maybe two minutes Oh God split the whole marbles to be very it was thin and you're standing on a table so we shattered a marble thing and thankfully it wasn't a super important surface but the the Lebanese made didn't speak English rush were laughing at me and just like pointing at me and then like ten minutes later. They're sage in the whole place because of me okay so so you're in there to chef owners who are both very focused. Guy Can occur. are very like dial in were they putting up with us or were they just it's like dude. Come on no. I have Medicare an before and they're they're pretty accommodating very nice but it's more so just like the space and I'm sure there were of the streets that can very narrow space. There's not a lot of what I looked for. When shooting restaurants like maybe like variation in services so I can shoot on different things so the good food can look you know we don't want all in one table so it's not a lot of types of surfaces and sandwiches are hard to shoot? I don't think people know that because you you can't do them from top down. You GotTa get the site in Sam. Because what have you learned over the years to be. I don't WanNA say necessarily pushy but to be sort of firm in in terms of what you need in order to get a shot sure yeah you kind of like have to steamroll them with kindness and I mean ultimately at the end of the day they don't want to do something. I won't won't be like we need to do this because you know it's their place and their business. I don't WanNa be rude or anything but yeah there are times you just Kinda. Hey I just wanted to really want to ask you would would it be possible to get a specific shot during this time given these parameters and like if they'll be like kind of not okay with it I'll ask again and we'll yeah but we really need the shot like I think for this story would look great more often than not bill obliged but if they say no than my okay they they really can't do this so it's fine. What about customers? How often do people are people like? Do you know what I'd rather not have my photo taken the funny thing is whenever I'm shooting interiors and customers the people that come up to me and say they don't want are the people I'm not even photographing when when that happened I'm not even I don't WanNa photograph you one number two. You're not being photographed so please don't worry. Is it true you now get recognized as Alex well when you're on-location yes. It's very it's weird. It's really weird because like I kind of get it. When are the are Co workers on staff were on youtube and on the videos a get recognized because they have a lot more exposure but then he will come to me like I think I got a plane in Denver with Michelle and ah some guy came up to me and Michelle and like Mr Lau? No I'm like yeah like are you security. What's going on Apetit apetit? I'm like yeah. He's like I love your work. Man Shake and I'm like how do you know how do you know like I don't post pictures of myself. Maybe maybe he's into weightlifting. Also maybe yeah I think so powerlifting or weightlifting. Would we call it so powerlifting living's a whole other weightlifting is what I do at Equinox Olympics where they push it over your head. Oh yeah well. What do you do compile? The powerlifting is like squat bench pressing dead lift. Weightlifting is the clean and jerk and the snatch well. How did you know that Emma but you wear the same like singlets in I'm back belt and stuff kinda yeah yeah so? It's just what you do with the weights when you're picking them up correct. So what do I do at the gym. I just like you use them. Curls a lot of bodybuilding Eddie building man yeah I wouldn't call them. Just starting. Keep keep water was the last time you missed a flight. Oh this was like a month ago. Who was during hot ten? We were headed from New Orleans. NO WE'RE FROM DALLAS TO DENVER. The thing is I'm generally pretty good with not missing flights but I also editorially cut it close a fights like I'm not that type of person that shows up three hours in relief of light. I'll I will like oh my flights at eleven. Let's get there like nine nine fifty nine. Maybe ten ten I have clear I have pre checked because I know I'm gonNA run things late. I've gotten better with it. I've gotten a little better with it but it's okay I can generally be late to JFK because I know the whole infrastructure and setup we shot a Dallas for our flight or you start driving and we realized that like you know when you go go to an airport and you show up and you can check in ninety four trains and you can take one train not Terminal and Oh and also you're all the end of this terminal. Dan and they're just like you're not gonNA make get so. You've done a lot of travel slash restaurant photography in the last couple of years. I think you've sort of graduated to this role as prime photographer and you're doing a lot of feature well stories which are the big stories in the middle of the magazine which probably started a few years ago when you really started. It'd doing a lot. Is that fair to say yeah. I think my first one was I think twenty sixteen right into the mission Burrito story but I didn't start doing more until probably and if two thousand seventeen to eighteen so yeah you've been on the job for years at least before that but the other big party job is studio food shoots. It's where you also developed very iconic style. Crispin Bright in like is a studio food. Shoot Fun is tedious. I don't know I walk in there and you're sitting there and you're pressing your on your computer like to click and like I guess this is cool. It's Great Adam is never seen me work on location and then the only time he sees me working is in the studio and set up the way I normally do and it looks like I'm doing nothing which to be fair does doing it looks like they're just hanging out watching Youtube on eight hundred the big monitor and just like pressing whatever what Bundy you've been pressing. There's some youtube videos but you just need a space it out in between shots. It's come in K. for me. Okay so just for the listeners to explain explain. He'll have a setup of a a photo on a try not try by what's called a phobia but it's like a large impractical tribal. It's a weird word but I think it's a it's a abbreviation for Oh to get an overhead shot and you have to delight set up and so you literally you're not clicking the I'm not gonNA move like blow up or something yours at your computer command k. I could do that you can. You can what people will think. If I go to the bathroom yeah. They can keep pressing pressing but if something goes wrong immediately Michelle's like I need you. I need you like okay but seriously though how do you obviously press whether you're clicking shudder or pressing a button. It's about the lighting the angle although sorta things how did you work at developing that style which over time became very clear in precise in terms of like Oh. That's a very cloud shot. I mean whenever someone says like Oh that AH ALEX I. I still don't really know what that means. I have still struggle with yeah. What what is something that is indicative me because I think as a staff photographer for you're meant to be much more accommodating? Whatever style that is being requested right because the brand has because if it's basically our website basically photo is shot in a certain way so it looks consistent in that vertical in the magazine and a T. dot com your there wanted to be a certain look that was consistent with Iran but a lot of that look also started with you so it's kind of like you know the the Egger the chicken or the egg sort of but yeah I think in terms of you mean like a popular look? That was just something I started doing because it was just a little different from what everyone else is doing them but that soft light airy look say software we mean more of kind of natural natural light that if you're out kind of right by a window and it's just like your sunlight and you're getting your instagram shot correct so there's not hard shadows just like ooh. That looks tasty yeah I think I just started doing it because it was easier to setup. I also I it Kinda. Original easiness unlike lack of resources uses like I'd shop to restaurant and I'm like I don't really have the space for the soft box so I would just use like a light without a soft box and all that kind of looks cool in different and I I can kind of controllable better so this is it I laid out of me like knowing less about lighting and knowing that the technical nuances of lighting and on my own but it still looks good it it has a base for me to work with but then how much as a young photographer and you can compare this being a young athlete a young writer and their editors how how much of the development of that style was working with Alex bollocks Grossman in terms of them sort of giving you feedback or sort of coaching you along. It was a lot they were both. I remind this seeming like Alex bollocking. Alex Grossmann were so instrumental of who I am today you know they they literally turned clueless in turn into what I do today and they're both they were both so phenomenal created entire were culture trend look of the culture but yeah they were there was a point where I wasn't Baragan lighting and like all or knowing how to shoot and I was a topic of discussion Oh not this guy is supposed to make our job easier instead. He is coming back with photos. They're out of focus or this. Lighting looks bad or he's not making the food. Look good anyway might remember what one or two of the took like four years ago my weight. It's supposed to be focused but you know they took me from that and they played very tough. Love on me and you know there's Times I was like I had a lot of doubts cut out for this but I think that type of teaching me I responded very well all right like I better I better step up my game because we we've joked about when you're on the road that Michelle Atlanta's your mom and then I think policy to play that role was much more my mom. She was the Babu's Ah was like you need to clean up your drawers like literally thank you when you want an award from that magazine Association last year apologetic very funny toast about all the things you would find in your chest like rolled like a memory drives or whatever hard drives of images you eh balled up Tuxedo in there one time my first Azmi had old sock stuffed in their tax. I me literally just like I'm going to kill him. So let go this time so you sort of came up with Alex and Alec as as we relaunched launched on a petite from two thousand Lebanon and sort of gave it a new visual style and voice both writing and visually and then when Michelle keyboard couple years ago so again if you're gonNA compare this to sports all of a sudden you're playing for a different head coach coach now. What was that transition like? Were you like Whoa what's going on here. I'm belittle wary of this. I think with Paul Congressman their main focus was on making me a better photographer and just like trying to guide me in the the right way which is great and it was very formative wants Michelle Arise Michelle right. I was much more fine tune your kind of formed on more confident in my ability already so it was more of a okay. Let's the ball rot Lebron running and like let's just play and moral. It was very much more of a tight collaboration yeah which is great in the way Michelle is crazy and just amazing but she just very much. I'll meet maybe in a different way when it comes if she will offer lighting or like certain ideas and like my that's weird but then I'll try oh that's neat. It's actually quite cool interesting for my standpoint says you know every month for the print magazine. We'll have a a photo show will look at the film for that month's issue and seeing your evolution under Michelle because she has a different I than Alex Alex but you know she used to do. The Food Journal Gather so she has a particular aesthetic and it's been interesting to see like Geico. Let's sort of expand Alex's sort of style. Let's let's let's see if we can do this. I was pushed over there. Sort of like Dec- your growth has been fascinating gets back to that thing of people not being one dimensional is that you know you can have a look but you can also develop another look and third luck and shoot on location in in in Studio uh-huh at different light shooting all Yada Yada so as an editor. It's been really cool. Just seem like wow like how versatile you become over the years yeah. No I really appreciate you. It's just been a lot of like like you know rolling with the Punch in whatever challenge comes up I say yesterday and take it and I I really do appreciate working with two different crave directors that think so differently because it just like yeah yeah forces you to actually creatively push yourself and go a little bit beyond what you're comfortable with okay so you can check out out his work in the October the issue of buying a petite which is our hot ten best new restaurants in America issue. Oh speaking of which we're going to be throwing a massive party slash radio slash slash Bash here in Brooklyn on Saturday October nineteenth all ten restaurants will be represented cooking all sorts of amazing foods or drinks music like all that it's going to be amazing and you can buy tickets at be a hot ten. That's a hot one zero B Houghton and dot com and there's a bunch of events surrounding the hotline bash Friday Saturday Sunday cooking classes and such check that out as well as part of our best weekend ever Alex. I'll be there. I'll be there all the editors. We'll be there so come hang with us. It's going to be awesome all right. Thanks so much. Thanks guys. They're all right. Let's take hey quick break to hear from our sponsor. 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Do you prefer I start with one or ten. I think we should go from ten. I actually didn't order them in any particular order but I think number one is really important to let's start at ten so you kind of did subconsciously number ten will like this three words me's own aw plus gang your sat together before you start cooking is ultimate way to set yourself up for smooth sailing yeah yeah I feel like one of the main reasons that home-cooked struggle is organization in the kitchen and not knowing when to start prepping went to start cooking in what they can be doing in the downtime inactive time versus active time and cooking and so learning to get all that stuff out of the way or as much as you can before you actually Diovan Evan allows you to focus on what you're doing and not be scatter brained and it's important to sort of clear your head. It's interesting that you mentioned timing with. I think a lot of us we think of plus I was just French for put in place short because you never went to culinary school French oh I heard you ragging on me on the podcast last last week about culinary throwing shade anyhow so typically I think with that notion of having all your tools your ingredients measured out in place in front on you but you mentioned timing which is interesting. I think a lot of US myself included. We'll start a recipe than you get halfway down. Oh this is going to has to sit for forty five minutes before I can do whatever to it. I didn't actually calculate that in my timing yeah or like reading through a recipe I am seeing that maybe a call for a cup of chopped parsley but you're making a brazen and you're not going to be adding that partially until three hours later so you don't need to do that part. You don't need to meet your out in every element so just kind of like thinking about the recipe as a whole lot all right number nine resist the urge to constantly a man. This is made to constantly stir fill peek at your food if you're going for Browning undisturbed contact with the pan is imperative so this is inspired by you what in our Broccoli music video when you're refrigerating with the sausage moving all around and I was like you need to step away from the stove because if we want the sausage bound we can't be touching it. Wow what throwing shade aid shadow a shadow to Brock Bolo but that is true. It's it's interesting where I will adhere to that concept of making a stake in a panic a good like dryades stake in that skillet guilt I just I just don't touch it. Let go over medium heat for five minutes in developed at crispy crusty Mahogany Bark but with everything else I'm always like moving around and chicken thighs. If you're charring Brussels sprouts if you're cooking pork chop if you're browning sausage if you're looking to brown moving around was kind of the opposite of Brown Yeah Number Eight ooh desserts need salt just as much as savory foods do yeah. I feel like people sort of understand this but I feel really strongly about seasoning my dessert so I'm not talking about salty sweet desserts. I'm not I'm not talking about leaning into into salt as like the flavor profile just that in order for a desert to really taste like itself and tastes really good there has to be a least a small amount of salt in there for right your palate to register it who's either in last week's podcast with Andy and Chris or yesterday's meeting where we where are we making fun of you for over-salting everything thing or maybe it was gonNA meeting today literally every day of every day I think it was. I think it was in meeting today with Chris Yeah I think I think people have now certainly become much more accustomed to that with salted caramel. Agreements ought to chocolate chip cookies now. You almost expected to have that little salty finish yeah but I guess my point. Is that even if you're not going for for that like salty sweet flavor profile salts needs to be there as a balancer even if even if there aren't crystals of Maldon on top there should be a little in the in the dough. Oh there's a long number seven good kitchen. Funk sway is essential to enjoying cooking if your flow isn't right you'll never you want to cook talk to me so I've found that when I'm in kitchens that I'm not familiar with or other people's kitchens and I have to sort of figure out where word the measuring cups are and figure out where the cutting boards are in the skillets and I don't know what my like workflow is going to be like I feel very awkward awkward in the kitchen and so I spend a lot of time in my kitchen thinking about where everything should be so that it's optimized for like graceful cooking which makes it that much more enjoyable and not so choppy. I think it also needs to be space. You want to spend time in I remember when we were living in a rental apartment for a bit and it was a weird apartment that was kind of two studios put together sort of thing and there was like literally to Galley Kitchens combined so is this horse shoe counter where with cabinets on either sides of you're on one side of the horseshoe. You couldn't see the person on the other side of the horseshoe. It's insane and the lighting is just didn't want to be in there yeah. I'll never cook now and we did not cook much when we were there and meanwhile the on like instagram and I'll see someone like our former colleague Linda Sullivan designer. She's beautiful little tiny kitchen but it looks like oh everything's everything's meant to be where the window. I want to hang out there. Even if it's tiny it's something that you can work even if you can't like completely reconstruct your kitchen hitch and you can think about what draws you're putting things in. What are you most likely to reach for when you're at the stove verses at the counter and sort of set yourself up that way you know where to keep your rubber? SPATULAS is where to keep your tongs all those things your little pot of salt images told me this not move. I iced coffee around so much that Nice Komo on Santa Claus I bet the listener like that all right number six kitchen towels or the best potholders I just hate those like wonky eh mitts it don't understand who invented them but they're just unnecessary and kitchen towels that are folded up properly are the perfect insulator and then they also doubled down as cleaning surface cleaner and you can take them on an offer easily because you're not actually putting them on your just holding them. Do you have recommendation of what kind of kitchen towels to buy. I just use those really standard restaurant side. They're white cotton and they have either rhetoric blue stripe down the middle. I think they sell them at Ikea but you can also get them on Amazon in big packs. I like the cotton woven kind. I guess women may might be word. What I don't like are the ones in the test kitchen here here that had the straight but are more like a Terry cloth they? I think that they don't block the heat as well yeah a little bit wetter the I don't like those let's get rid of all of them. Number five cook a recipe more than once yeah. I didn't use to follow follow recipes actually until I worked at really a mostly just cooked out of my own inspiration. Brussel sprouts holding go ahead and I realized because now the only thing I do is create recipes is that as I cook the recipes even that I create over and over again they get better and better and so as a novice cooker home cook if you can cookie recipe and then come back to it you'll feel a certain sense of comfort with the recipe already so you'll be able to pay attention to things that you weren't able to pay attention to initially Ashley. It's kind of like watching a movie more than once where you pick up on the details. I assume those some recipes are like a bad for state and your yeah we don't need to do that. I mean if there's like a major injure snafu. Maybe don't repeat it but if you thought it was relatively tasty cook it again all right number four if you're following recipes cook cook to the indicator not the timeframe so everybody's kitchen is different. Everybody's stove is different. Everyone's oven one is different and we do a lot of testing in the test kitchen to provide timeframes for everything that you're doing in the kitchen so we'll say caramelized caramelized onion for twenty five to thirty minutes but the fact of the matter is there's no way frustrating. Predict what's happening in your kitchen and so after that they'll be a comma and it will say in a recipe or until deeply Golden Brown and starting to turn black at the edges or whatever and that's the real L. indicator that you need to pay attention to recipe because that's the visual goal that you should look for and it doesn't really matter about the timing although I will say in print where there's a finite amount of space I think sometimes that indicator gets cut say Brown and he signed three to five minutes and I've done like this needs like twenty minutes. If you're doing a big big roast before raising a lot of times it takes a long time to do a pork shoulder on all sides took so much more than twelve minutes but whatever maybe that's just me sorry well we should switch is that and put the indicator in and take out the time. I think so it was great. We're making changes here number three or in the top three now buzz you eat with your is always think about how the dish is going to look on the plate the more beautiful it is the more delicious it will taste. I think that's kind of a given but not for the home-cooked oh it's really important to pay attention to your pleading. I'm not saying you need to be busting out tweezers and little like squeeze squeeze bottles but just being mindful of what serving dishes choosing and how much negative space there is and like are you putting like a nice fresh tumble tumble of herbs on top because every because you made like a beef stew and it's all very drab and dark and that kind of thing just excites your palate and it makes everybody mark said about eating eating and then makes it taste better because you're all happy in stoke one hundred percent. I think it's one of the things we expect from a restaurant. We don't necessarily adhere to that when at home and it's like well sorry sorry that your food doesn't taste. This guy came home today. In Simone had made this like Roast Carrot Salad you roasted much multicolored carrots put him on this beautiful vintage Italian Ryan Platter and then chopped pistachio on them and then some chopped up salon trolling the Donna Code and the purple carrots and I was like whoa that's a literally walked in the door and said wow and she could've just roasted the carrots and just put him on a platter and you've been like Eric all cares so uh-huh diet to go the extra mile grade point. There's only two left boss. I'm okay with that and this is what I struggle with actually number two in oven thermometer is one of the most essential kitchen tools so everybody's oven runs a little bit differently and so even if you set your oven to three twenty five there's a good chance that it's actually running at three seventy five or even two seventy five which can make-or-break a recipe or the top tier of the oven might be four hundred bottom tier might be three hundred yeah. It's important to pay attention to your oven and know what the hot lots of your oven are and the way you can do that is by putting an oven thermometer and leaving in the oven and when you set your preheat your oven three fifty opened the door and take a check of where thermometers at and you'll get to know oh my oven tends to run twenty five degrees hot or the top part is hotter than the bottom part so if I'm looking for Browning I'm GonNa put my skill at up there Yada I was I was wrestling with our tomorrow the other day because the oven was clearly not getting hot when we were trying to make meatballs and so I have the thermometer and kind of hooks into the rails on the racks but then it fell off and then I'm having tongs and get them back on there and I'm like anyways anyways but the meatballs were good eventually turned the oven up. Put It on the top rack look at number one molly buys number one salt is is the number one reason your food doesn't taste as good at home as it does in a restaurant. It's true obviously some people say that it's fat. Some people say that restaurants put tons of butter in their food but I don't think that's what it is. I think that most home coats are scared of over seasoning and it's important honestly honestly to overseas in your food to understand where that threshold is where it's properly seasoned oftentimes it's all there and you you follow a recipe and there's so many elements why doesn't this taste phenomenal and it's likely they might need to add a little bit of salt. Do you think we subconsciously have would different salt dominator when we go out to eat as opposed cooking at home. Do we expect the food to be solitaire. When we go out and that's fine? They WANNA ride home. We're just like L. D. Too salty like yeah well. I feel like lower standards for your own food and so then you settle for under seasoned food because you don't expect it to taste as amazing as it does. When it's touted restaurant shooting video the other day Los tacos Numero Uno over here on participants huge line yeah but I was either side on the Carne Asada and you're like wow this is it wasn't salt to the point that I couldn't eat it but I was like this is so much more seasoned and then if I had grilled chicken or steak at home and chopped up to put it on Taco coke little homemade Taco situation yeah it's huge? It's huge but you guys knew that already because you've seen videos you can check out on youtube guys. The BUNDY's Youtube Channel Checkout Molly Baas her work recipes her salty ways as thanks molly thank you the bone apetite food it is produced and edited by Emma wortman with additional programming help from Kerry pol analyst enemy night our theme music by Nathaniel words Mun we have new episodes. 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"Welcome to the how do heretic. I'm mark. I'm uncle dan dan. I'm michael doug- and this is your user's guide to life on the outside. That's leaving. Religion is the first step into a larger better worlds but it can also be a scary world. The things work differently now never fair. That's why we're here. We're you're adding uncles without from good friends and experts in all sorts of fields. We're going to share the stories. Consume the knowledge to build a great life after all only get one that we know of so you better make the most of it brother uncles that like sister wives. It is exactly exactly like that but gay and so too late. It's already happened. Just deal with it so here we are. It's episode nineteen ninety nine bloomberg ninety nine a good round number. I think asahara into the double digits yeah. That's it guys. Let's <hes> we're gonna. We've got a big step up. After this happening. I am going to talk about russia's greatest love machine and i guess yes you are yeah so be ready for that warning to the youngsters. It gets pretty not sexy and i'm gonna talk about something. That doesn't matter at all all and you're so happy happy about it. Notre one. Nobody dies and i'm going to celebrate me or somebody. Are you with the same name as someone who is named after you obvious obviously <hes> and it's a great show this week of course we're sponsored by western family canola oil. If you need canola oil this meets the basic legal definition of family canola oils technically yes thank you for for that support and of course to patrons who actually support the show yeah and <hes> let's let's jump in and make merrier whatever it is we're going to do. Let's make history is what we should make a da da you you know i think that's a that's a good response. We will now do the rest of the show. Inrushing russian is is no russian show for us to welcome russian overlords. Exactly i mean we soon we'll be living in russia west or east east depending on which direction you good thing i like beets yeah exactly <hes> and to to hail our our new our new commanders <hes> i hear uncle mark. You've prepared a borscht of a different flavor. I definitely have a strange red frightening soup sir and and yeah it's interesting you guys i got. I got thinking about the subject of today segment. When i was enjoying the new hell oh boy movie the other night. Oh yeah no. I might be the only one in the world but i love the first to help movies right tastic. I love them. They're super fantastic so i don't know if you guys have seen this one but <hes> you know it. It lacks panache that <hes> del toro and ron perlman brought to the first two you know there's the level of detail is a little lacking in and even though everybody loves david harbour who plays the sheriff on stranger things who plays elbowing this one. I don't know just didn't have that ron. Perlman gravitas so any damning embedded in the hell universe is a fictionalized version of a very real a person whose life and death are legendary in weird that if only half of it is true. He could sell the shit out of these if he went to alive today. It is an excellent cautionary tale of the dangers of crazy spiritual people getting too close to the levers of power as we shall discuss and that real life person employed so wonderfully by carol ronen in the first original hell boy movie is grigory yefimov which rest putin more well known like cher or madonna simply as rescues. Are you even allowed to see his name. I think you have to throw a vodka over your left shoulder and that's right and don't look bobby in the eye so this larger than life at actually rather large person was born in eighteen sixty nine in a very remote corner of western siberia in what was imperial russia. He was the set of peasants and the only one of their nine children to survive into adulthood also was pretty sweet for people people in siberia obviously like you said a remote region of western siberia as as a non remote region well. There's i mean there's a couple of crossroads is out there somewhere. There's a there i mean when you were born and raised in the place that your country sends criminals yeah. Maybe maybe some or your siblings aren't gonna make it so it exactly right and other than than being an only child by rather horrible circumstances little is known about him until he got married eight at age eighteen and he and his wife press co cova themselves had seven children a whopping three of which survived into adulthood adds his daughter immigrated to the united states and eventually worked as a lion tamer before her death seventy seven because obviously sleep later pretty much just abandoned the family wandered around searching for some meaning in his life <hes> that wandering began a decade later when when he may or may not have had a vision of the virgin mary or saint simeon of ver- coterie instructing him him to go on a religious pilgrimage he did so and they spent several months in a monastery under the tutelage of some guy who it is believed taught the illiterate twenty eight year old to read and write and in addition to the gift of literacy he left a changed man decided to become a vegetarian and for a brief time swore off booze an oath that was not going to last very long as we will examine so also want to say that everything that you're about to tell us everything that follows from here on out <hes> just i see as a cautionary tale against vegetarianism. That's just throwing up sobriety right. Yes well sobriety was not a problem. Title me suffered from so he didn't spend years basically wandering around as an itinerant holy men or a strategic as the russians call it that he visited greece and some other other eastern orthodox holy places in his years of wandering and it's also thought there seems to be a lot of disagreement about it that he was secretly eclipsed or had dabbled with this bizarre siberian cult. We talked about the way back in episode twenty nine but they were basically they were freaky. Bunch who believed that sexual sin could be exorcised from your soul by huge marathon group sex sessions and then chopping off your genitals right yeah yeah. I'm gonna fuck the sex adia which was that me until the genitals chopping bit. Can we go back. Just rewind a little bit. It's so funny how more than did right fellas it's weird so as he is well known to put his genitals to frequent use later in life. It seems unlikely he was a member of the christie in good standing but he was developing sort of freestyle form of russian christian orthodoxy kind of a siberian father drawn n'diaye for any french inquisition buffs out there but basically he was working some sex into his into his version of of church rituals as well as claims of faith healing again magic and as the child mortality stats in siberia at the time clearly demonstrate faith healing was pretty much the only medicine on offer so you can hardly blame people for wanting some of that so through a series of chance meetings with other more well-placed religious mystics he started moving up the ranks of the legit russian orthodox church coach even though rumors of his unorthodox behaviors followed him and it's important to remember that russian russian society has always had a pretty superstitious bent and late nineteenth century it was skyrocketing the the interest and it was it was the same thing all over the world interest in spiritualism mediums faith healing was actually at a fever pitch so so if you were a mysterious very intense mystic from the hinterlands surrounded by rumors of healing and magic it was a seller's market the long story short respite and ends up in saint petersburg surrounded by an aura mystical power this earned entry to the board bloated ruling class looking for the latest just in parlor tricks and contacting the dead etc and despite his rather alarming appearance. If you've seen this guy he's not a good looking looking man. He looked like he was about four stops back. In those charts of human evolution he had left his cave to have a bath in a couple of decades. His look can best be described as matted. I think if you were on even in new york if you're on a subway car and he got on you'd probably get off. You'd get off and you'd be wise to do it so oh. He was soon getting introduced around the latest. One percenter must have mad monk excessively of the season so this fatefully got him an an introduction to the big boss czar nicholas and his wife alexandra in october of nineteen o six. They're young young son. Alexi was a haemophiliac meaning that his blood would not that properly clocked making him extremely vulnerable to bleeding to death from even minor incidents and the royal family was told that the backcountry weirdo might be able to help and it turns out he was on a couple of early occasions the presence of respite and actually made the bleeding stop he was instantly pulled into to the inner circle of the royal family as an indispensable miracle worker having saved the life of the heir to the russian throne so how about that so he would walk into the room and the the young kid would stop leading. Let me explain how many vehicles we've talked about on the show. It seems there was a logical explanation. Rescued butte was many things and one of them was kind of ad hoc natural path so he insisted rather than a very studied and licensed so those one those the ones that do so well right so he insisted that the primitive medicines that they had at the time that were being administered to be stopped at once including one made from the abundant birchbark of siberian forests aspirin. He didn't know it because nobody really did is a very effective blood thinner and something a haemophiliac should absolutely not be taking right so no aspirin less bleeding. There's your miracle but but ah let's put this guy in charge of russia was years in the future so nine thousand nine hundred six. It was a fucking miracle. Alexandra would have refused to be convinced otherwise so now it's our nicholas and his wife had no idea that young alexi would never sit on the throne and that nicholas himself would be the last of the czars they also couldn't of known that they're strange out of town house guest would have a significant role to play in the upcoming series of very unfortunate events. This is why i never let anybody from the countryside. Stay in my house. I intend to retain my throne. Thank you very much sorry keith. It's the holiday and for you again so it wasn't long before rest putin now. Basically a family member got around to acting like one. The palace life suited him and so did the oceans of booze that came with it. His oath did not hold as did the easy access to the female side of the not long for this world aristocracy so the boozy monk pretty much thought his way way through high society and highly uptight orthodox christian country like russia. These rumors were deeply scandalous. The romanovs were very unpopular among the ruling elite and hated by the impoverished masses of russian society the rest putin scandals were definitely not helping. The family refused to hear it. He was a miracle worker. Even if he was a sloppy drunk one that couldn't keep it in his unwashed pants so at the at the outbreak of world war one russia like every other current and former country in europe dashed gallantly into the breach of chivalry insanity not familiar with world war one <hes> it was one of the most fucking insane periods in history and if you haven't listened to dan carlin's huge examination of on this hardcore history podcast it's a great primer on the war that broke the world highly recommend it so yeah if you ever have an extra twenty six hours so funny long so anyway rescued and had advised against russian involvement in in in world war one but nicholas could not resist the thought of the political boost being a wartime czar would give him <hes> putin advised him the only way they would be victorious is if god's chosen monarch the czar himself were to lead the troops on the battlefront and those are took his advice and titled off to the meat grinder with a jaunty new hat so we alexander and alexandra putin essentially were left in charge urge of a nation on the brink of crisis rasputin was at this point taking bribes from the lower aristocracy in exchange for influence and was having alexandra point his followers followers to government positions again. This guy has no training no education really of any kind. One guy told him out taught him how to read. That's true based. Take as a first grade level so the war the war was going badly for russia as everybody else and those are well look great in his fancy uniform was hopelessly incompetent as military man public outrage was intense and the peasants were growing very restless. This was not helped by the rumor that the mad monk was was involved in sexual congress with the empress herself which is still a hotly disputed topic by historians most of them leaning toward no but it didn't matter too the credulous masses all too much for some of the governing class rasputin had already survived an assassination attempt village which was another miraculous event that added to his mystique zeke but the one being hatched by several opposition aristocrats was meant to be successful so prince felix yusupov invited to a party at his palace on the early morning of december thirtieth nineteen sixteen and arrangements had been made by several co-conspirators to get the job done quickly quickly and quietly so rescued was invited downstairs for a little v._i._p. Treatment which had become very accustomed to upstairs the victorian era played yankee doodle dandy again and again because marriage events this particular evening needed inappropriately bonkers soundtrack it rescued was offered several glasses of wine and pastries so loaded with cyanide. The conspirators were afraid to even touch awesome rasputin wolf down guzzle the wine to affect stunned the prince ran back upstairs where the the other co conspirators were hiding and what do we do and one of them gave him a gun which you took downstairs and shot the still standing putin point blank in the chest then they took off to find something to wrap him up in so they could dispose the body and get a car and when they went back downstairs respite and leapt up and attacked yusupov tipoff for obvious reasons freak the fuck out somehow he got out of the basement and into the courtyard where he tried to climb the gate and they shot him at least twice vice more once in the head when i think this is surely the origin of the double tap right. Do not take any chances with the dead so how do you how do you wolverine and russian exactly so they wrapped in a sheet and dumped him through a hole in the ice in the river and the police found him there a few days later here because there that he was missing there was gunfire in the night. They didn't know what was going on and desire and the empress furious unconsolable sadly their anger was would be short lived because october of the following year. This artist's family were invited to leave the palace by a swarm of angry bolsheviks furious about a vast assortment of abuses successes rasputin being one of them and sadly when they were all shot to death and dismembered in their basement prison not even putin could've staunched poor young alexis bleeding so like the sainted king and queen of america ron and nancy reagan and their court astrologer who saw the wisdom of the constellations for winter. It's a schedule fucking nuclear arms negotiations. I think bringing soothsayers and healers and religious lunatics into the cockpit of government makes a safe landing far less likely the separation of church and state people learn it live love it so didn't also for for for julius caesar sir either so there's there's history is replete with this cautionary tale so rescued was buried in a little churchyard belonging to the royal family but after the revolution his body was dug up by the bolsheviks and burned lest it become a shrine so you can't just go out on it. Sorry guys because this the whole sorted mess. That's what they tell you they did with the body reanimated it and he's walking near today as as tom hardy in all of those movies. I thought that the clintons killed him anyway because it's still sort of strange enough. Let's end with the lyrics from euro disco disco band boney. M's nineteen seventy-eight hit disco single rasputin. This is a real thing. I'll put it in the show notes. It is fucking crazy. There lived a man in russia long ago. He was big and strong. His is a flaming glow. Most people looked at him with terror terror and with fear but to moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear bible like a preacher full of ecstasy and fire but he also was the kind of teacher women would desire than the chorus raw rasputin lover of the russian queen. There was a cat that was really league. Gone raw raw rasping russia's greatest love machine. It was a shame carried on and the song simply. Oh those russians i think if you set those lyrics to the tune of yankee doodle dandy the world so that's the story of russia's greatest love machine. Everybody yeah so what you will because i don't know what to do with it. Oh oh that rasputin they thank you for that and i guess we'll just move on. Oh ugly dan yeah you know i like. I like a good meal. Neil young and you know sometimes i i may overindulge might have too much to eat bayerischer. There's a certain meal that's famous for leaving little unsatisfied just talking about well i do but <hes> salad that leaves me on satisfied in the moment of india does i can speak to this as i consider what i would spend my time on this week. I won't lie. I i was having a bit of a tough time wrestling away the darkness. It's going on in the world these days <hes> talking about exactly i had a bit to drink and i ordered up some chinese food because there's nothing that will make you feel better the next day than a hangover combined with indigestion and what a world in peril really needs high sodium slop probably prepared by an underpaid emigrant served in planet killing polystyrene boxes all wrapped up in low density non recyclable polyethylene bag getting you a prescription for something. You need need something. We'll we'll get you a. I sat contemplating. Just how much i am not helping subject for today was literally steering me in the face. It's no matter where in this great nation you order your chinese food. Whether it's a bargain basement chinese buffet and a strip mall near you or lousy lousy swan in chicago camille will always end with a cracking open a small cookie in the hopes that the little slip of paper inside might contain a secret for your success or at least the winning lotto numbers today. I want to talk about fortune cookies. Yes so fortune cookies at one of those very strange but ubiquitous pieces of wu like the daily horoscope present office his fountains or marianne williamson. Nobody knows where they come from. They seem basically harmless but their absence would be noticed. The modern iteration consists of a nearly ephemeral confection containing slip of paper with a vague message of prophecy a chinese phrase with translation and a list of supposedly lucky numbers individually wrapped in even more or of the aforementioned shitty plastic yeah so the origins are not one hundred percent known but one thing is for sure they are not chinese most likely they are an americanized version of a similar cookie that from japan was first made by immigrants on the west coast and the twentieth century and the west coast of the u._s. Yes pardon me the west coast of the u._s. And then for reasons we'll discuss they made an unlikely cultural transition to end up being associated with chinese food but definitely not chinese food in china china right these are not served in china so please speed that tourists that goes to china and then asks for them everywhere you go why how did how did chinese people know their fortunes then when they go out and get what they probably just call food right exactly that would be. That's a subject for another. I guess it could have not said chinese food in china and said food yes so there are three main claimants to the origins into the cookie. I'm gonna i'm gonna murder. These makoto hagiwara claims to have invented them in the late eighteen ninety s or early nineteen hundreds in san francisco well david. John claims he invented the cookie los angeles in nineteen eighteen and so each akito claims to have invented them sometime between nineteen o three and nineteen twenty well. It seems unimportant to us. I came up with the idea for a basically disposable foodstuff the organizations these three men founded golden gate park's japanese tea garden. Pardon the hong kong noodle company and food get pseudo respectively are still around today as is the rivalry. Wow really fortunately yeah if you're expecting the rivalry to manifest itself itself like the opening scene from big trouble in little china. I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. Dammit with the invention of automation the inability to copyright food sorry cincinnati. The production of modern fortune cookies moved to several massive manufacturers. You don't have to copyright it. If it's so bad nobody can copy it. I think you guys need to explain what that's about that hanging out. We ever talk about this on air. I don't think so anyways yuliana right cincinnati listeners. We're we're going to take a giant steaming shit on your town right now but when we were in cincinnati for the convention what four months ago whatever whatever when we asked people what we should do we're in town universally they said what is what's it called well. There are two competing restaurants chains. Yeah there's lone star and there's escape or something like that other one. Yeah my god we're going to get sued. Fucking like new york has pizza pizza san francisco has i don't know what cincinnati has very badly cooked spaghetti with pretty bland chilly and mild cheddar cheese mounds of shredded shredded cheddar cheese. Yeah and that's their thing yeah yes. I'm sorry cincinnati. It's fucking dreadful is funny and i mentioned this to you a while back it is it's not good. I found myself craving it for about a week afterwards. I don't know why why i had to. I had to actually get spaghetti at a restaurant that i would never bought spaghetti just because i needed to per i i don't know why the craving just kept coming look if i was a cross eyed drunk at three in the morning and i i managed to produce that dish i would be very proud of myself as a town cincinnati. You should not be proud all right back to this story but by the way if you ask anyone in cincinnati they will have very strong feelings about. We should eat chilis. We love levinson atty. You've been out in but you that should is just unforgivable coming in. Maybe we went to the wrong one that we only went to one one. That's really anyway. What the fuck are. We talking about road tripping. Sorry all right back to the fortune cookies. The biggest production house of fortune cookies is wanting food inc corporated wonton food inc not one in brooklyn and might be wanted which produces roughly half of the three billion fortune cookies made every year they they pump out four and a half million fortune cookies day. Wait a day a day. Wow four and a half million wow most menu. Somebody's got to type up all those those little pieces of paper. That's exactly most manufacturers including one ton will produce customized fortune cookies for whatever message you want for approximately forty cents per cookie for an order of one hundred or fifteen cents per cookie for an order of ten thousand or more patriots goal exactly now around nineteen forty the japanese market for these cookies cookies took a bit of a nosedive when one hundred thousand or so would be customers were shift off shipped off to concentration camps in the southwest in what would be the last time that would ever happen in american history three ouch remember how you said that you were going to avoid all of the heavy stuff that's happening and i never said that okay the best he can do. This is happy so i'm gonna get so americans spent the last hundred years torturing the chinese to build the railroads cbs. Toss them a literal and figurative cookie while they were distracted imprisoning the japanese. It's a tales oldest time so the recipes vary very much. They're all basically he made a flour sugar vanilla and sesame oil. They are of essentially negative nutritional value like twenty calories six grams of carbohydrates in about three grams of sugar each. Why are you trying to shit on. Everybody's happy experience basically the food version of little xs old town road with billy ray cyrus. There's a lot of confusing cultural appropriation going john. There's not a lot of substance. Everybody loves it but nobody sure why and the only happened in america so let's talk about the fortune in part of the fortune cookie. The original version of his cookie was and still is made in parts of japan complete with a random fortune called an omi- coochie however these cookies cookies moved into mass production in america writers were and are employed to write this a sufficient number of random non-threatening and vaguely confused ac- sounding thoughts. Can i just say it has been in a lifelong dream of mine to be a fortune cookie writer. Really i mean i wouldn't be they wouldn't hire me because i want. I would want to do like wildly wildly specific and absolute like and dislike mind-blowing league menacing on the nose. Yes for things like you know moved moved to texas anything. That's like look to your left right. Exactly well for fifteen cents a cookie. We could make that true. I wanted to be something that's distributed. Muted people at the restaurants to dan wants to try to put that tiny piece of paper in the typewriter roller think can get into line right up. It's tough. It's tough. It's too formulaic skill it does. I don't buy green bananas. Leave it at that well. It's not a bad career to aspire too because a good fortune cookie writer can pull down six figures really donald lau for example had been the chief fortune writer for wanting foods for the past thirty years until he decided to retire in early two thousand seventeen and guess what he retired he ran out of magic writer's block so like any virtuoso whose work spans fans decades allows work has gone through different periods in the early two thousands for instance this up his blue period chose to break from the otherwise inspirational direction is work taken and get a bit dark writing urgent such as perhaps you've been focusing too much on yourself. There may be a crisis looming. Be ready for it. Your problem just got to figure think what have you done of course your head now time to to get professional help. Wow first of all the the other the other complaint that i hear a lot about fortune cookies is that they're never ever fortunes and they're always platitudes and there's there's reasons for that because if you actually predict something and you could potentially l. liable for someone doing something wrong yeah so let me just say we've talked about the specificity of prophecy being a real problem for profits on this show so oh i think i think the fortune cookie writers have avoided that that pitfall well. It'd be just think about it though if any of us actually bothered to read the fortune in our fortune cookie if it did contain a message that was both darkens specific. It would freak you out. I mean it would give us pause right. I did which is kind of the weird credence we give these little slips of paper and i'll venture to guess that i'm not the only one that feels a slight sense of disappointment when i'm confronted with the generic aphorism rather than say the time and date of death i will say this <hes> i somebody who was it. A friend of a friend actually got a fortune and kept it in his wallet from from for herb or heard sorry her purse for forever and she showed it to me and it said it was a fortune that said he loves you as much as he can but that's not very much. Ooh wow how jammed that is that is world shaking crazy right there. I can i make an admission to you have and i just pulled it out. I have a fortune in my wallet that i have had their for more than thirty years. What yup. I'm holding it right now. I got this. I got this at dinner. The night before i went on to become a state champion in my chosen sport court okay and here's what it says you have an unusual equipment for success be sure to use it properly fortunes fortunes are bullshit and that sport was highlight. It was a double double state highlight champion happy and utah. That's crazy. I very yeah there. You go well other than that. I think they're essentially essentially harmless. They're like the daily horoscope. They're basically too nebulous to do any damage. However as uncle mark reminded me the other day they have led directly to one death in episode fourteen of the twilight zone reboot back in nineteen eighty-five. That's right baby. Elliott gould plays a mean-spirited food critic pans chinese restaurant and upon departure departure his fortune cookie reads. You're going to die out in the huffily to find himself on a never ending street full of chinese restaurants and insatiable hunger that he can't satisfy no no matter how much he eats the episode ends with reading another fortune that says you're dead and a shot of his tombstone anymore ten dollar patrons his morphed into to hell so that's yeah i leave you with with the closing words of that episode and i won't do a rod serling impersonation because i can't check please for mr harry folder for whom the phrase dim sum is not merely a description but a damnation a man who finds himself sitting down to a single never ending course of justice hurts prepared prepared for him in the kitchens of the twilight zone. They're nice harmless nice. Not not if you're in in a show cautionary tale about not being elliott gould yeah right which most of us can avoid if we try hard enough if we try hard enough so yeah. I tried very hard to find something today that didn't matter and i think i succeeded yay and happy retirement to mr lau the big. Did anybody did any of you. Do any of you have like superstitions about how you had to do it in order for the fortune to come true no i i did yeah i did. I've had people tell me what you have to eat the whole cookie or you have to eat the cookie before you read it or there's any number of different print very i had to eat half before and then half after oh interesting yeah i had to eat the whole cookie and the fortune without reading it in order order for ten true in the plastic which has some you know some caveats turkey. I don't know i can't tell if it actually works but and then it doesn't contain in the spring when we found out in the backyard all that was left was the plastic wrapper and the crushed up thing you no no dog owners okay great. Let's move on fellas who the the love pours in from all over the globe <hes> and and we must acknowledge it right and eh pours in in the most important way which is obviously monetary right so we have some some new patrons thank and we'll we'll just jump right into that. Thanks go to peter to harry and then. I think it's my turn. I've got to do a saint. Oh for cadillac elect kim cadillac yeah cadillac with a k. It is in point of fact right on kim and cadillac kim your saint that you the the world that the universe that the lord has appointed unto you <hes> is saint steve of camden camden town and saint steve is the patron saint of smelly but effective <hes> <hes> kitchen implements and and a long boats and also <hes> the patron in saint of freezing rain well. That's quite a it's quite a resume. Yeah yeah yeah so when you when you i know how he was martyred it makes complete all comes together we'll have to we'll have to cover that. I think to myself the spatula smells like shit but man it's effective but jio. You'd wanna use another one. That's right when you've got one. That's that good in the house. Get gotta go gotta roll. Gotta go with that's amazing and uncle mark. You have to come up with a saint to oh. We've a toussaint same week zongol mark congratulations. You've got to come up with the same for captain samples samples of course yes our old friend. Captain samples are your patron. Saint is saint rish fist lump. Are you sure so you just the things you're looking at. We all a._m. Rich rich fish lump of of era matthias and she of course is the patron saint of of <hes> of hovercraft obviously of tunisia and also of reruns of the lawrence welk show that now that's right that's right yeah congratulations yeah on that saint whose name we shouldn't repeat because it's too holy or or i can't remember exactly exactly kidman captains samples and samples as friends listening at home. 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The pain in for a few more hours is pretty much how living my life right now yes so yeah so do that for uncle doug funchal as we always say give us as many we stars you can wherever stars can be given that really helps math math algorithm more people listen. You've got more friends. We've got more friends. Everybody gets a fucking pontiac. Let's move on say doug. Hello is there. I'm i'm here. Hello doug come in <hes>. I think that i think dan i think our uncle daniel has written a book he he wants to tell us about and of course because he's him. He's just called it daniel. I think it's all about him. I'm not known referred my creativity fellows. Just i'm just a truth teller. That's all i am. No love of self is the most important level of all dan beacause because agree quick who wrote that song who actually wrote that song marianne williamson road that scott scott joplin whitney houston sang it made it famous but who wrote it henry kissinger close very warm kisses quite warm mohammed. Ali wrote that fucking song that is true. That is an actual true. Well that's good. I've got the greatest love of all inside of me and today in celebration of the birthday of everybody's favorite uncle which is coming up this week. That's right. We are going to be discussing the book <hes> of my namesake. Not the book of mark no obviously not a book of doug so that it means yes daniel. We're going to go with the book of daniel in the bible. <hes> and shows canceled sold. I feel like any when whenever that air horn sound happens that thing has to be cancelled actually doug doug impersonation of the the adults from charlie brown doing adults from charlie brown on crank yeah. What are we talking talking about. Hey okay so the book daniel weird king stealing a bunch of jewish boys well. We'll get to it. This is a book towards towards the end of the old testament and theoretically takes place sometime around six hundred b._c. And yes we we open in chapter one on the babylonian king nimble nevada. I'm pretty sure i nailed that just and he is hit like the first thing he's just wrecking the king of judah whose name is jehovah kim <hes> and he's sacking sacking jerusalem so apparently according to this second verse of the book god just rolled over and gave never never could nezar the the win so fuck chosen people discuss. They've got his chosen. People have had a very complicated relationship or sure for that matter of fact here it is this is a this is verse two of chapter one of daniel and the lord delivered joachim king of judah judah into his hand along with some of the articles of the temple of god these he carried off to the temple of god in babylonia and put the put in and the treasure house of his god so god was just basically asleep at the wheel and just gave the win gave him the win yeah and and then and then let him take like holy relics from the temple of him to go and use it to worship his own but he kind of makes it sound like he did it like his accomplishment. Yeah because god is such a trump because your credit has to be a win right. It's so true god. Oh god you just hurt my brain. God is trump the the especially the god of the old testament is definitely who who donald trump is a one hundred percent and trump believes that that's the case anyway. Nebi are never nezar wasn't in an idiot <hes> he knew that those crafty jews had some very smart cookies among them and he ordered that some of them be brought back to his palace or to his <hes> his land to serve him he was a little specific about who could come though yes you ready for this yes some of of the israelites from the royal family and the nobility young men without any physical defect handsome showing aptitude for for every kind of learning well-informed quick to understand and qualified to serve in the king's palace sounds like a grinder profile so you know those guys no feminine fatty is out exactly yeah suddenly tells me. King nebi wasn't just looking for wisdom. This is one of those other things that it's just a very unexamined thing that's left to hang in the bible. What what was it one thousand unblemished jewish boys please. Let's move on yeah. Although guys like that shouldn't be too hard to find you ask any jewish mother and all of their boys fit that general anyway my mordechai beautiful anyway <hes> anyway. <hes> those children will racism is racism. Hey uh-huh everybody. Just calm down. It's my birthday. I can be as racist as i want to. One day year among mills chosen were daniel and his three friends hanania michelle and as aria and if you are wondering why i didn't bother to learn the pronunciations of those names that's because those are super julie names and the babylonians didn't want them to be. They wanted them to be all bab bologna. The language is easier to pronounce sure absolutely so the gave them sexy babylonian names daniel became built a hustler and the other three became an you'll recognize these names maybe shadrack commissioner and abednego yeah right. We're which the ships that columbus sailed to on the ocean yeah. It's yeah it's it's all in the book. Daniel not unlike his namesake namesake on this podcast was the wisest and handsomeness and most defect free <hes> but all four of them were ten times literally and it says this in the book ten times times better at interpreting literature in general smart stuff than any of nebuchadnezzar magicians and astrologers and so forth so yeah. He kept them around ya yeah defect free is a weird term to apply to yourself. You know defect free take a gander. You're looking right at me. What do you z. Because i don't see any defects a lack of defects and humility to anyway a bunch of time later and by a bunch of time. I'm saying enough time that he had never condenser had totally forgotten about how much better those hebrew boys were at interpreting things than his own offices services but not more than a year because this happened in the second year of his reign so you figure that out as is so often the case in scripture memory doesn't last more than a few seconds <hes> so anyway king nebi had a dream and he was shock shook yeah <hes> he called his magicians is in chantiers as sorcerers etc to him and said interpret this dream because it's totally freaking me out and they all said sure what's the dream and he said <hes> ha he was no dummy he knew that if you just told them the dream they might try to come up with an an interpretation that would trick him somehow or they would just be flattering or whatever and he wanted to be sure that they weren't just making shit up so you have to tell them what the dream was so he's the trick you tell me what the dream was also possible that he just forgot the dream as the k- the king james version when where he says it has gone from me so remain maybe he just i mean i know i wake up a lot and i'm like oh. That dream was scary. Oh what was it yeah i remember. I'm thinking that's what happened anyway regardless. He was like you guys have to tell me what the dream was and the interpretation reputation of it so okay that's great but as an added motivation if you can't do it then <hes> never could nezar we'll have of you cut everybody cut up into pieces and knocked down their houses so weirdly none of the dream interpreters. There's we're tremendously interested in this deal yeah. They were like basically no relief. This works a lot better if you tell us what the dream was and he basically quickly became enraged and ordered and not all of the wise men of babylon to be killed well. That's a smart thing to do. Yeah talk about trumpian right. Just start fresh up with these guys. Get them out of here. We're gonna we're gonna we're. We're going to be man of the people here anyway so they they send out people to gather up all of the smart asses and kill them it and they get to <hes> apparent. They send a guy who got a name but i i'm just calling him the sheriff of nottingham because because i didn't write down what the name was anyway. He comes to daniel and his buddies and he says come on. We're going to go kill you. Daniels like <hes> well how come and the dude explains the whole sich and says and daniels like well. I could go and just die or hear me out on this. Why don't i take a crack at interpreting that dream i think why don't we just try it out. If i'm going to die anyway why not he's the only one that had that figured out that potential catch twenty two yeah i guess so so <hes> so yeah they take him to navigate nazar in the meantime he's gone and prayed and <hes> glory ori be the the lord has <unk> has told them what the dream is. He goes to nebuchadnezzar. He tells him his dream reminds him. What it was and then an and then interprets it for him and it's it's a boring stupid dream yeah a giant statue and he's got a gold head and he's got <hes> silver justin blah blah blah clay and clay and steel feet or iron feet iron and clay and basically he says is these are going to be these kingdoms come after you and they're less good than you and then the last one and breaks and falls apart and yeah and there have been many interpretations tens of what this dream means after the fact right when when you're at a party. What is the worst thing you hear like the worst thing you can hear from somebody that has you cornered is. Let me tell you about my dream. Yeah exactly so let's make this the central part of a narrative in a book yeah indeed and boy is it central central to this whole thing because daniel's whole gig is interpretation of dreams like right and and and interpretation of other crazy fever dreams or whatever he is. He's good at that sort of thing. He's a was a therapist. He was a typical classic jewish therapist right. I would say closer to yeah. I mean yeah. He's got that sort of union. Dream interpretation. Thing simple is all know is kind of bullshit but whatever anyway so the king is pretty impressed by this dan he gives daniel some trinkets and stuff off and everybody goes on their merry way then we get to chapter what are we on three and never can has inspired pair by his dream apparently decides to make a giant statue out of gold brilliant really really he's. He didn't trump more trumpy. Everyday just got. He just knows exactly what to do with a dream like that. Well i don't wanna give i don't want any spoiler taylor here but let's hope it ends similarly for these two men. That's all and we'll see we'll see the toilet anyway carving a tweet and do a cuneiform clay tablets so <hes> sets up a giant golden statue that is enormous and tall and then commands everybody in his very massive massive kingdom aunts oh kingdoms to worship this <hes> this <hes> statue that you know this was partly a trick by his advisors who were it's a cute little antimetric where they had him say that anyone who doesn't worship this thing when they hear music and it's very specific about what music with when they hear the sound of the horn the pipe liar on harp bagpipe or any other kind of music. Everybody has to fall down and worship. The golden image are those instruments all played at the same in time. It's just it yes she probably there wasn't a therapist back. Into what have you heard one. You better fucking fall down and worship anyway <hes> just just asking the site of worship when you hear someone whistle a tune why that's right why risk it except that those jews they don't do the idol worship thing today to do but i guess this is the one time they decided not right apparently after forty five times of getting it wrong they learned with their lessons so right so now they're definitely not going to do it and suddenly <hes> the all. All the advisers are like hey shadrach. Meshach and abednego go did not bowed we played kazoo and they did not fall down and worship so get them so the the <hes> the king has the the three of them brought in and is like hey. I'm going to now play a horn pipe and and you need to fall down and worship the thing <hes> to which they say nah. I'm not going to do that and he's like well but i've commanded it and the punishment for not doing that would be to be thrown into a fiery furnace which is unpleasant and they all well like yeah but we've got a god who's awesome and we'll save us and then they add the doubters addendum which is and even if he doesn't we still they won't do it and we we still believe in him. So there this enrages the king the king decides he says turn of an up to eleven <music> seven times hotter than than we normally do and and we're going to throw you guys in yeah they bind the guys up. He has the strongest strongest his strongest servants <hes> bind the these three guys and take them to throw them into the furnace and the guards who are going the throw them in. It's so hot that they die but somehow the the three guys the fall in any way eh an unsafe work environment it is weird little paper chef hats things on their feet burn off to those remain kind of dress dress it up at the end and make it look like a fancy restaurant and you know if this was my faith. I don't know if i'd really be happy about the part of the book where god actually prevented jews was from being thrown into a furnace not meant to be funny. That's really fucked up well. It is really fucked up well. He didn't prevent them. He god heathrow god allowed it. Yeah he saved them from the fire so they go into the so they're they're in the fire and then never considered looks oh and they cover the the whole the the furnace with iraq and then and then as you do and the and the king to make official sealed it with his ring with this ring. That's good and then somehow now. I don't know how this furnace works. I have a lot of ways that i can imagine an ancient babylonian furnace none of them that are burning hot enough to kill you. If you go near it provide you with a way of looking inside in my brain not typically not however never could nazar uses his x ray vision looks into the furnace and goes holy shit now there's four guys in there and they're just meandering around just hanging there just walking around doing nothing and so he yells at them and says hey you guys come on out of there which they do apparently and they are not burned not a hair on their head not any of their garments. Their little booties things on their shoes are fine. Everything's golden yeah and and and now there's just the three of them again and of course king nezar realizes holy shit dot means that you guys are we're. We're saved by angels and that your god is in fact the best god and they all become jewish just kidding. They don't all become jewish acknowledges. August godwin's and son sends them on their merry way. Essentially he's very he's very impressed by that is that that is basically every narrative in the bible is just people failing to learn the most important lesson from something that happened right. That's it again again. Dan richest a while back a couple episodes back. We talked about what would it take to convince me to believe this is one of the things that would definitely give me pause three guys going in and coming out not even smelling of smoke yeah and they don't wait until you see david blaine doug because i onto impressed are are are super van criss angel could pull it off in a heartbeat you know totally the the souffle aflaid that he walks in carrying will come out perfectly <hes> so anyway that happened in the and what we're leading up to do is <hes> some more interpretations of dreams other stuff however because it is my book and because there's some other really fun things in this book. I am going to cut this off and we're going to do a segment to. I'm gonna cliffhanger this bad boy. We'll do more daniel in a couple of weeks so stay tuned for part two electric daniel book to electric boo. That's right right the exciting conclusion inclusion to hear about more people's dreams well. It's it's the adventures of belts have bolt has our that's right who who doesn't wanna hear that on the wall for part to do real good looking it. I'm going to send you some clay shoes for that little tease all right well. Let's <hes> we'll look forward to part two and we'll move on well friends. That is it for this week show. Hey we'd love to hear commu <hes>. 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33: Guenther Steiner: "F1 fans like an underdog to fight with the big boys"
"Hi, everyone. I'm going to sign and you're listening to beyond degrade. One fans, Tom Clarkson here welcoming you to another edition of be only grid presented by Bose quiet comfort thirty five to wireless headphones. Those of you who've watched the Netflix series formula. One drive to survive will be familiar with the star of this week show, and particularly his caliph Elanga JR. For the show highlighted much more than his love, the F form his passion for racing and his honest and forthright management style came across in spades. I'm talking, of course about the team. Principal of has gone to Steiner Guenter is had a fascinating career across a wide array of motor sport categories, culminating in the top job at has. But he didn't walk into a ready made team along with owner. Jean Hess Guenter spent two years building the team from scratch and the results have been phenomenal. They finished sixth in their first goal pre and took fifth in the constructors championship last year. We caught up in the Hague. Of the foreign desert to talk about his life in one and where the hash journeys headed next. But first up we had to discuss his new found fame. To welcome to on the greatest great to have you on the show. So it seems you become a bit of a celebrity what would your starring role on f one drive to survive the new Netflix series? How'd you reflect on that? I don't really know. Everybody tells me, but to be completely honest. I didn't watch it because I actually don't don't the dishes almost I don't like to watch myself because then you start to think should have been different. Or should I do things different? And I don't want to things different. So I don't watch it. And you could say you don't want to learn I think it's not about the learning. It's more like it's just I don't like to watch myself. Now, what about this bad language could to where did you learn to swear so brilliantly in English in England being too much with English being I guess, you know, so. It's quite about language sometimes, but it's never meant to offend anybody or two bursts relating to persons. So it's more an expression, and I'm not trying to talk at right? You know, it shouldn't be there. But it's part of the game and your competitive because in the normal in a normal day spore, it's lot. I mean, you don't get me. But Netflix it was behind the scenes what they showed that this. How it worked? So just to make it clear. My wife was not impressed by language, and what about your daughter. She's not allowed to watch. It said great at us and go and watch it, you know, she's still too young Madonna's ten years old. So. We Netflix never happened. You know, but how was it when they were filming? 'cause I mean, I know they've been doing stuff here in Bahrain with the team as well. Do you know that the cameras there or g feel very relaxed? Almost if you're explain for me. It's not a lot of work. Put the Mitra new film, you they have to have to go because I am like I cannot change anything because then I don't do my job. And as I'm not an actor. I'm not gonna I'm going to do my job. And if they don't like what the film, it's their problem and not my if the like it again. Some things. But again, did the very fair and say, this is what happened are UK to woke us at think it's for the fans to see how actually do and I'm not acting because I couldn't do that. First of all, I'm not good at. I don't look good anyway. So, but it's it's not a lot of work for me. It's putting my comment then, and then you just your work and along and tech for you CDs. Honesty. Honesty's a great word because I felt it was quite an insight into your management style. Lots of passion, lots of honesty. What you see is what you get is that is that a fair description of your management style. Absolutely. I always I'm always speak with people very clear, some some paper thing and to develop, but I think as long as you don't defend people just to be clear gives them a chance to if there is something we discussed don't agree on it gives them a chance to get the proper my view on how I see yet, and I specked people answering beg to me actually wanted. I don't want. Yes, sir. People I won't be which combined cook me with. But I think to start the dialogue on this. I need to be honest one. I cannot back them yet should be an paint everything a little bit Bank. No, no. This is reality. Let's talk about it. I mean, how is your relationship with ROY mangroves on being affected by it? Has it because you came down quite heavy on him. I think there's a scene the French and pre last year where properly sticking the boot in. Absolutely. But when I speak about my speak like this with him. And he knows me now. Well, enough, I think we never spoke about this. Netflix thing with him because it's no need. I think these are if there would have been a problem by by signed him another year, a think this helped him to get over his honesty to help him get over his problems in the beginning of the year and the second half of the year last year he had a fantastic year. I mean, he did he ever mar. Beat the are used to. And I always thought him, buddy. You know, how to do it? You just need to get it back. I don't know where it is. But, you know, come on get up, and and you know, and sometimes when I speak like this. It's also myself cast Mindy and people which we can interpret that you know, some people may be on TV. They have that that was harsh. But there's also lots of sarcasm in these things. Now we've done that flicks. We've done grows on but just has as a whole. How's it going? What's your progress report after three and a bit years? Generalists going key while I would say, I mean, yours can be. We should never be contained until you've been everything and menu in everything you have to do it for less money always something to aim for. But in general for the only thing I can compare that with bit last deems which started from new maybe when boasted nine nine years ago. There was a few new teams they're not around anymore. We used to have from new score points and our first race up to now never finished last in the world championship. So last year with finished fifth because I've got forced we made too many mistakes that we've finished fifth but still with good in general team. A think we keep on making progress? I think you have got a group of very good people together with the same philosophy of how to conduct business stroke racing. And. I think for the F one fund to a new deem to have an under book like us because we are small team combat with some of the other ones to financial book to fight with the big boys. It is quite interesting. And for sure it's interesting for us. So or in all I would say that there's not a lot of negatives to I think there's been a spin a huge success story both yourselves and for Formula one. But is there anything you would have done differently in hindsight? There is not one big thing which would have done differently and again. Maybe difficult to explain this over stiff you look back into our to everything the same that would be being quite ignorant because you always can do better. And with the benefit of hindsight would do things a little bit different would not make mistakes you make you know. I mean, the most simple to explain it at the bit. Stop problems all seems to be have cut always Australia these last two years. Yeah. If I would have known that before we would have done something different. But it's more things like this where you look back. We should have done different. But not in general how we our business model. How came in? How how we conduct ourselves how vase I wouldn't. I wouldn't change a lot. You know? I think yours can tweet it. But nothing Baker. What about the bigger picture stuff? You've got this partnership with Ferrari, would you in hindsight perhaps of gone with Mercedes because given the success of power unit over the last three years of sort of bigger picture stuff? Would you have done that differently? Now looking back. I'm very happy with for it. Because again, I should say we could have taught him assays because they had a better engine. But in the moment, I'm very happy with what Ferraris doing for us snow, even if they have got maybe the beginning of it horsepower. I think now they are very equal, by the way. But in the beginning is like that was other things it's not only about the power unit out of things, you you work together. I've got we have got very very good relationship with them. So no, I wouldn't what about Delara. And can you just explain for people at home what they do for you? And how how the color is put together. More than come. I don't know how long I gonna talk about this now just explained ally race car and car manufacturer they worked for games on old CASAs. Well, but I think they are the leader Mao in the world on making makes areas if good expertise introducing as cast they haven't done for a long time now, but we will be have got are a group of our own people in the beginning. It was difficult to find older people. So we went back and set with alario, I know Mr. the lack of since more than twenty years, you know, he's engineering job in Italy, jump bowel. And so we went there spoke with the CEO where complaints that this is what we want to do you think we can book together on this? So be make how these small and to produce a car and contradicted because in the beginning, it was really because so many teams failed doing this. We we could. Take any risks to fade as well. You know specialists, who guess deem and all the history there. So. We went there, and what they are doing they're providing engineering services, which are led by our own people like all day department is our people they they supply sources like modern make us they supply that service. But also they've got a big manufacturing facility Delara in the latter. Composites and tape could use for example, the top, but the design of the Dopp, which is the chassis off decaf. It's Dom in collaboration with us. They have got some people which time for us on our behalf, but they are employed by the Lara. So and then they could use us. We do all the testing there because they are certified by the FAA to do all the all the testing. So they do a lot of that stuff for us on the chassis on the structural parts of the the deformed unclear wing on all them pass. So they are very integral bath of our program. And it's so multinational what you guys do because of the base in the US. You've got the base in the u k. Delara? I mean, how American is this thing. I think it's very American their own. Mr. gene has is American his his company has automated which. Produces machine tools is American. Got there that administration and headquarter is in the United States. It's now maybe smallest part of the three. But I think it comes back that that this way are the headquarters wasted whether ministrations older finance HR is out of from there. I'm there as well. Some of the time and I'm not traveling somewhere else. But I think this American, but the biggest thing is Mr. Hasse is American and we are Milliken. Aisin's f gene has new in twenty fourteen what he knows now about Formula one g think he would have still done it. Dude question. These would be daas cable, obviously. But we cannot because he's not here today. I think what surprised him is the complexity of the sport. I the complexity of the technology because the technology amazing in this ball, but also the complexity of the business and the politics in here, I think he wasn't aware of this can cope, but that but now to give you the answer boot would would not have done that. Anyway, I don't really know. But I think it's is a little bit. How much more complex of the sport is in old elements compared with racing in NASCAR where he owns at the mass. Well, your task facing he owns while. So I think if compares with a think for sure that can revise it's more complex in all aspects more complex. But again, I couldn't answer. What about what about the financial aspect of it? I think financially the aim for for Mr. Hassi too. His machine company is it's big. It's the only mainly one the United States produces everything there. He he got the big a huge market share there. But for him a name recognition globally. What was not great? And for him formula. One was a way to bring it to the world the name enter faint because if one is a global very big logger spot, which still works. I think it worked. So yes, it is very expensive Formula one. But if you use it, right? I think it can it makes the term just to bring your company or whatever you want to promote. To get investment back has Formula one being more expensive than he was expecting. Or is it coming pretty much that level? I think every life is more more expensive than you want. It to be, you know, hit this. That's an easy. I'm so, you know, no, no fault. It what it is pretty cheap. I mean, even if it is cheap it's still expensive because. Formula one is very expensive sport. Maybe that's what other been how much money takes. And you know, and I think we can just a so by in this environment because we got a little bit of differ business model, and we tried to be efficient. We are by by far the smallest deem here. Beeper Weiss how many people are you employed about two hundred and have got some people the soup complex from the which is about say sixty sixty seventy. So we are not even three hundred people we have between two fifty to eighty because it's fluctuating a little bit. But by far the smallest one here. How difficult was it to sell the Formula one dream to gene can just talk through how you met him. How the conversations went. I mean, I had this business plan was introduced to gene by Joe Castell, which is jeans writer money NASCAR. Entire my job. And I worked in NASCAR. Obviously, I didn't. I didn't know gene before and then one day, just met and. When you say how it was to convince Jean doesn't get convinced needs to convince himself. It's knows exactly what he wants. He's very he's very smart into stinks. You know, I needed just to explain he made his own decision for me. It was not a selling job. I couldn't sell it. I saw that the it, gene. I ki- wants to do it or he doesn't want to do it. I cannot say that was my opinion, you know. So I talked him to always very honest and straightforward as I do how how I see how it is. And then the decisions you if you want to do it or not. But what's interesting is you will ready had a business plan? So although you had a business in America, and you'd been working NASCAR you wanted to come back to form one. I would say I saw of unity at a time to do something. Because all the small teams are struggling and at the time of unity to it was talked about it never materialized to have customer Cass. And I'm a good friend of Steph Dominique at the time the team principal Ferrari so spoke with Steph from if this is happening. Could make sense to have customer Cass based in the United States because they're already and things like this. And this model how develop that developed over time to get rich een like how do this best? How we how we get the most officiency out of tuna form because just doing because again, I go back to the teams which are not successful. Just doing more of it like dated will not work. We realized if you have to do everything yourself be cannot do what you need to be a big game. And takes five years. We didn't want to do it. I mean, you know, that was not interesting. So because this team's which faced the stupid, people are very smart people. There are good people. It's just like it's such a difficult task doing one and people still underestimated, and I never underestimated gene, the think that he believed in me as this is difficult. This is not like, let's go and build a car in core. Acing, you know, this is so difficult. So we just said just doing more of the same. Stella one's bid not guarantee. The success of our model be I'm sure if it is successful or not. But at least we need to try to something different than in the beginning. We don't people we're going to do this. You have got the place in the US place in UK this never work. I said, but doing more of the same doesn't work. So we need to try to do something different than we had amputate ninety eight percent of the people when we came out bland, they never they will be a year or two, but just here, you're definitely still another two interesting points. Raise one is failed at your business model is almost killing the traditional business model of former on the McLarens the Williams who do ever think themselves you've come in. And you're more competitive than them. First of all I want to kill anybody just to make that clear. But that just. But you sorta mean it's changed the goalpost mood, but we didn't change be didn't say taken to they want to do. They can decide we didn't take away options the option small stare for them as well. If they take it fine. If you don't take it feel free. I'm not saying you should go way. Everybody can do within deregulation. What they want? That's my opinion. It's a fee world. If they are that allowed to do this by doing it like this, and you cannot say you killed my business model. No, I'm not you. Can you can still do whatever you want because it works for some it works for Ferrari talks say the staff got the complete different business model than us. There will champion. So I'm I'm sure MacLagan, and I know and Williams they could come back if they are good that do at that business model. I'm not saying they should not do what they are doing feel free to do that we want as long as intervals. Yep. Yep. Second point you raise is everyone will dissenters out there saying that the model was going to fail with the America and Banbury in England and lower where of how of you succeeded where USF one failed effectively now for people listening aren't aware of USF one. It was a team that all my came into being about ten years ago. Now, maybe thing. And it was going to be run out of Charlotte wasn't in the US. But that never happened. Why do you think your? Model has worked whereas best. The biggest difference is. The reason I'm asking you this because you works a little bit with USF, one company work. Compass company in in Scott. I think there was an underestimation of how difficult it is. And again, I want to go back. And I I'm not saying I think Ken and beat a very good idea to make team in the US. But I think they didn't know the complexity of the sport technically to start off with and then also financially. I think one of the big things that didn't have good backup behind financially. And secondly. I think technically the amber estimated the task. It's something unbelievable here. Okay. So it's a simple as that. Yeah. It's it's very simple. Well, how how has is interesting underestimation that task and how has Formula one changed during your time in it from when you joined jank you back in two thousand and one how has how different is it today? Everything is just it's Formula one is moving at such a pace that technology of the Cass define answers. They go up every year because technology goes up can we talk money in terms of how much what's your budget? Do you wanna can? Yeah. I don't want to go into figures. But I don't remember ever need to take the books out from two thousand one. But it's. It has changed dramatically and talking novel of a little bit more than that. For for a big deem. It. Six seven times the big ones. It's huge how go, but technology, but I wouldn't even go back to two thousand and one just go back five years look at the car from five years ago to one of the cast now it's or look sixty s when we had to be eight engine here. And now look at high power units. We are now a technology. It moves at such a pace. It's amazing. I mean, it's the same. If you go from last year from eighteen to nine hundred declaration beset, simplify the aero all of very fast. All we simplify. Can you imagine if you wouldn't have done tough ask people be it's amazing? How fast it moves? I don't think there is a lot of industries which move at this speed. I think there is some industries like in computer science and things like this. They moved critic quick. But but what we are doing in. All senses. It's amazing. It is no other form of motorsport moves this fast either. And you've got lots of experience outside of Formula one for the one is unique, isn't it? It's unique. I mean, I think that what makes Formula one unique. But also the investment financial investment. It's so unique bagel yellow form of motorsport us while we don't have to forget about that. Now, you've got a fascinating back story. And let's just touch on that now how how for example, did the opportunity with Jiang cure come about your first foray into Formula one. One of the strain stars of my life is like I worked for fourth in bulk rallying, I was taking director of focus, which color mccade of and. Ben. That is what they tell me. Because at the time, I didn't know Nicolau Nikki law that kkob off Jaguar or as team principal. He was looking for people, and he asked somebody at fault because of the gibe was owned by fourth this both manageable sames motorsport manager and said, do you know, any people I could speak to compliance? Yes. Speak with this guy at one they got the telephone call from Nikki secretary saying Mr. Lau doubled like Chautauqua do. Nicolau one of my let's say childhood people looked up to because I was watching him driving in Formula, one MacLagan and the whole thing. So that you them speak Nicolau alleged, you know, make a legend. So can you call him back as I called him back and said can be meet sure. So I was in Vienna weeks later. So we met for they know. And then the next day he called me, I'm gonna blow you. And then bespoke little bit their staff that Formula one the simplest very similar stories. But they they are like this, you know. So then this was about a think March April of two thousand staff that end of two thousand one because I had to finish the home location of focus for the next year. That was force people told Nikki, you cannot put out of this program because of test and then when and how much of a wrench was fi you to leave rallying cause. Teeth in rallying worked your way out through various teams. It is difficult, but some states you always want to to go and. For me going to a form and working from cloud was equaling. The the challenge. And I wanted to do for me Mickey was very successful enterpreneur and your race want to move forward that this was a unit which I said, I should miss. They always say should never meet your heroes. You've worked for one of us. Well, what was it like to work for Nikki, what's he like on a day today basis? I had one of my best guess profession with Nikki. Because I mean, he I just I just get on with him. I still speak with him frequently obviously lessened the moment because he's recovering from his ovations from his health issues. But I always even after I left Jaguar. We always wearing contact. You know, maybe I went to see I mean, I hit the gate time. I always tried to learn from people as much as I can because I think he's not only a good face. He is very what what impresses him. Determination to want to do something. And you just get you work with him. How does it you know, how we need to get there? And if you need to get there you have to get otherwise, you're not happy. So why with all his experience your experiences? Well, why did the JiJi a thing? Not. Perhaps the rewards some people within JiJi were at were expecting. Remember who's Jack NASA telling me once that he wanted to turn up at a racetrack. And currently all the red Ferrari flags he wanted them to be green to show Ferrari that Jag you're successful. Why didn't Matt team succeed? Think I wouldn't say problem. There was a lot of issues with Ford Motor Company about of ability cost of Formula one and a lot of changes in jackass left. So the the guy which wanted to create this at left, so a professor it's stare he left. So they have. This up core indicate any away from us. We didn't have access to because we are the last boy in, you know, so I think it all went home from there from the big bland from Jack NASO to have the sea of dream and invest money and make it happen. It was like how can we do this cheapest and outsmart everybody else by being cheap. And at the time. It didn't work just didn't work out because Nikki Boston given enough time. I for sure was given enough time. I started in December and left in December. So in a year, but the car the yet afterwards a lot at all ready. But in Formula one you can come in and expect magic, you know. So, but but I think that was the biggest thing was the really high up political of the of the fourth COPA van not behind pogrom anymore. They left it alone. They didn't want to have many more. The godfather of Jack NASA left professor is left that was it too much movement at the top, correct? Yeah. Now, how about your garden because you spent the whole of two thousand and three on gardening leave? It's gate. But I mean, what do you do for whole year because you were not allowed to work. I mean, that's pretty nice not do anything for here. Because I know really normally always spoke about behalf and that there was nothing. I mean, you couldn't work. So you have to catch up because if you in this I walk in motorsport nowadays. Over fifty s it accounted now thirty three years to see that I woke motor spot. So if you have of in between, you just catch up with things, you need to do a painting my house, I did everything myself, you know, it's just like yours findings to if you want them to do. So. Some for sure it gets a little bit boring. But then you go holiday. But then garden was sorted house was painted. Brief stint in the DTM. But then the lure of formal came back, and you went to red bull. How different over stay the same team effectively. That Jag you're being same factory Milton Keynes in the UK. How different was the vibe on the red bull ownership compared to the Ford Motor Company? That would say red bull wanted to get going Mr. Mattis sheets. He a Jaguar. It was always. How can be spent to do anything or do? We really want to do. Everything was in doubt by Mr. matter sheets. I want to be world champion one day. And it was like he wanted to get going. It's a complete different way of doing business. It's one where the conservative way can be do this different not spending money in no need to spend a certain amount of money. I'm not money waste. But there needs to be a base of it. You know, as I always say there's not managed to you would be in Formula one. There's not many of them here. So and in right, bold. When when when I came in it was like, what do we need to do to get better? Okay. So then when matter sheets than says to you tell you what good. Let's go NASCAR racing. Suss lightly left field thing to do. What was your thought process when he put that it isn't? I was like, okay. I mean, I didn't know anything about NASCAR at the time. I know that existed for obvious reasons, but not not any detail. But I always had also when I was young destroying to live in the United States. And you know, but I never fought that can make it happen. Because can I just stop? What was it about land of opportunity? What was it about land America, America? I mean American v which somehow I think my generation still still still half or had, you know. So but never I never actively looked into it. You know, I looked maybe once or twice, but not seriously, and then this came up and actually nice to learn about the new thing said, I always want to learn new things and going to America wouldn't be bad for a few years. You know? So I spoke with my wife, obviously as you have to do. Shuki doing and she was not opposed to it. And then we looked a little bit. Moore said yeah. Let's do it. And how difficult project was it. As you say, you didn't know that much about NASCAR. Where do you begin? They hit the small base there. They're american. I think he was to see all of a big fan of NASCAR the CEO of things company in the states a big fan of NASCAR. So that small base of it. But what what Mr. matter sheets asked me to bring in is like bring a form into that one and try to make Kogas it's what I find it is a complete different world. And I would not say it's better or worse is just different and you need to lift at one. It's a very strange thing. When you when you say, it's different, you know, and I had to be justed because you couldn't they can approach because it wouldn't work there. But every do we couldn't it wouldn't work. So an entire realized that quick, you know, that's the only thing I realized pretty quickly, but I had a lot of flow into because I wasn't exposed to that entered for say when when you asked me before about why one didn't succeed. It's just like I didn't have to experience in NASCAR. And ten realized this is different. I underestimated what it is. It's actually quite complex. As well. But in its own way, and you have to on the Eckstein. So it took us a little bit of time. And but it wasn't easy because if adopted complete different culture. Of doing things. And I think for me it was good to this. What is different about the racing culture in America? It's it's a more simplistic way of going racing and simplistic, I don't mean as negative and positive. It's about racing. It's not about the politics is not about anything else. It's about going racing. So they cannot is not a big factor in it. That's aside factor. So by the NF on technologies over everything scientists over everything in NASCAR racing. It's more about the gut feeling the experience. It's a cop more sophisticated last year. Everything the ball, but not at right like Formula one what could Formula one learn from NASCAR sometimes to keep things. Simple. Do. I mean in general just in general like make our life petitio, less of a reliance on technology. Do you think? No. Because I mean may become victim assay fear, but Formula one it's about the collagen if it takes away from Formula one it's not Formula one any more than we have gotten. Got a single seat of serious which have cut enough around the world Formula one lifts the -nology. I just would say poach of how we deal with each other. And how we won't bring the business for that. What we should learn in the United States and did your time in NASCAR help you understand people like Jean has failed. If you hadn't had that experience in NASCAR. Perhaps it wouldn't have been such a smooth transition working has four has absolutely percent without that experience there and understanding the culture. I mean, I'm not saying to me big work. But it's getting to know the culture it's better off because I'm standing takes a long time. For me personally. It was a good thing. I admit that one because you think a little bit different. If you're in informal of your pain, multiple you get very blink of view of vetting by the go different places like everything in life more. You see a wide perspective. You get that's always my opinion and got a lot of that. And as she said if I would not have worked NASCAR, gene think would not I could not explain what what we are planning to do like, I could having been there. Now they've been three phases to your career. That's the rallying phase the Formula one phase and Nasko which should those three of you. Enjoy the most I enjoyed them all because they're part of my life, and my career I enjoyed them all in there in there in different elements as motoracing I would say for sure I technology and all that stuff Formula one because he's the pinnacle of motorsport for. So you have to enjoy that best because be to go back. To do something different. But this is what the like it the challenge every day it's complex, and maybe I say things like we should make it easier. But maybe I'm in here because I want the complicated that for maybe are all here. There is never. Yeah. I confuse people here by saying this things, but that is how I see it. But I enjoyed all of it. I mean Rowling in the day. It was great. I've been in a long time now. But people told me it has changed a lot less while in the old days when I went sometimes testing with Carol signs sunrise now in Formula one we wear away amongst wrecking. We have our own had no cell phones. No, computer, nothing because at the time in the nineties didn't exist as a real adventure exact boss that was element of adventure was great. I mean, if you're in your twenties and be allowed to do that after to do this is from. But now I would like to stay up five nights in a row and sleep in a car for two hours up. No, I'm too old for that. But at the time it was. Fantastic learning in NASCAR learning about the culture learning something new or skate. I mean, I still live in the United States because I like it there that gave me the opportunity to do that one. So there is always great things to do and nothing negative to say about any of them. Now. What about Carlos Sainz what kind of driver was he and when you were working for Ford and rallying with him. Did you meet junior? No, I know junior was born because I worked for Carlos actually. Yeah. I was mechanic, and I I forget deal of respect for characters. He how good was he he was very good. But what was good if he could focus so half of something to get like, no I worked with a lot of times with call in Cancun. All speaker Solomon in all the people, but nobody was. If if you talk about they didn't let go he wanted to do what he was very profession. I learned a lot in my how I conduct business. How how I'm from Carlos. Just you need to be always, correct? You need to do what you say. You're going to do. There is no there is nothing gravy carols. It's like Hawaii, and I'm very similar to him. But I learned a lot from him how to conduct like you need to be professional always prepare book cast. You know, I think the rice devils people better than him. But nobody has a package tastes time spied on him because he had Dollond and determination at the professionalism to put it all together that for was world champion, and what a great teacher for Carlos junior as well. Not just good to Stein. I mean cows we get upset now if he hears this, but he can be also paying backside sometime, so I hope he's not racing driver, Charlie, but Kansas special on that one, you know, but I hope it. But I think he he knows exactly how to help to help junior junior in this career is very good at it. Okay. Now a moment ago we were talking about America. I just wanted to ask you about life in America because the family is still over in mooresville, North Carolina. And how is it? How is your daughter? Who's ten is going to issue growing up American rather than talion, for example? Yeah. Birthday today, actually. So. Living in America is very good. I mean, I enjoy it. But we enjoy it as a family. I always go back to my place in Italy in the summer holidays still got an apartment here, we go there to three weeks show, she exposed to different cultures that I that. What I think gave me a lot in my career because I grew up in Italy, speaking German, so I understand German culture, and authentic tagging culture. Now, understand American culture, which a lot when you deal with people, and you want to do something that differences, and you need to respect cultures that what you're mainly learning about cultures for me expecting them. So because we all do things different. And my daughter she's going up in America. You know, she goes to school there. But she's exposed quite a bit does to northern Italy culture. And so I hope that's vantage for her. But we like it there. And in a moment there is no plan to go anywhere. Got my company they're in the United States with my business partner. So that's doing well, so. No plans to do anything different. How often do you get back? I go back between each race baked backs. I sometimes don't go back, but in last and the people had was Ivan in only for today's because first of all I want to see my family. And then I think if you're just on their old, you miss something you sometime needs need to go back to base put yourself back to base to organize your thoughts and have go out again re-sent. Yeah. So we're talking in Bahrain. Have you been back to North Carolina since Melvin yes, I went straight for Melbourne to not Carolina and then flew to London on North Carolina Sunday night late and flew to London because we started G meeting on juice day, and then came from London to rain on Wednesday lunchtime start there. So you actually have three Huns you've got one in North Carolina one in northern Italy and one thirty seven thousand feet. I was going to say it's somewhere. Off on the play. Yeah. Well, it's been a fabulous career. I suppose final question from me is where did this passion for motor sport come from? Because you're a guy who's from a rural of northern Italy. There's not a lot of motorsport round. There was at that into it. Can you say no actually, my family into it in in debt, part of Italy? There is no more spot at the time. That was one race hill-climb. You're paying championship and cold, piano Mandela, and that was the only vent Chapman already a kid. I was always interested in fast, but mainly racing arson came. I don't know where forment I always begged my father to take me to this as a diet member. How I was I went to first time, but that was pretty young. So and then there is another race in the neighboring province, basically. And we went to that one as well. Because backed him my father actually, wasn't really interested in in Malta spot for sure time, he watched a little bit of a form because it wasn't the seventy s when I was a kid so but not the passionate about it. And I just always had this and somehow ended up here did you ever go to the Australian groom pre or Italian Grand Prix at Monza. I went to one grand prix a suspect that was in. I was eighteen years old because eighty nine hundred Boston the army and the employee. I just went to friends and just like you do when you're young you camped out you passed a little bit and yet could fun but otherwise. Started formula on my next country was when I was in my fifties. I was invited by fourth fourth in the beginning Jaguar, maybe no cost you are still cheap and four sponsors steer cheapie vote for four hundred Alica guest. So when you were the Australian groom pre eighteen was it like, a Eureka moment view in the U soul. The cons smell the fuel ties and thought this is what I want to do with my life. Because TOTO will funny enough on on one of these podcasts said it was when he was stood on the grid formula three race at the Nurburgring. He said it was like a lightning bolt for him to have that affect on. You know, I wouldn't say I mean, I enjoy Marcel delighted I follow it. Where I come from. There was never I never fought dipped unity will come along to do this. You know, it's a strange thing. I didn't think I can do this. I enjoyed myself and had fun with my friends and watch the race. And what about your fail for the history of the sport? Because did you know, for example, that you'll birthday seventh of April has sort of tinge of sadness about it? Because it was the seventh of April in sixty eight. Of course that Jim Clark was killed Hokkenheim. Do we aware of that? No. I wasn't way. My my knowledge of history in a phone. It's actually, but I wouldn't say little it's really bad. Because it's it's one of the things I saw some people ask me during the season your member ace five six as ago. I sometimes don't know where we finished. If he didn't have a good solid. I just it's just not what I like to do. I mean, I I respect to history and. Deal with it. But it's not something I which are about that. I always look forward can be do not what was done. How can you make history suppose? I mean, hey that brings us on really to. You know this year has what would you be happy with? I would be happy with fought over sleepy come fifth. I'm still happy. But nasty we missed out on fourth. Because our own doing make too many mistakes this year. It seems like you have got a pretty good Carrigan, and we tried to get fought. But the most important thing is that we go was Pm that we keep on going forward to get better. And then they come out the medically. So we need to make less mistakes and hope for the finish fourth. And you think you've got drivers to quit word on Roman and Kevin Magnusson. Yeah. I think we are at and now, especially our longtime with us. They know us what we can do what they can do. There is a feeling chemistry between all of us. Engineers drive sky was between them. So I think you've got it rivals for where we are. I couldn't see I mean, there is a few which are equal for sure. And depending on the day, they could be better. But it could be worse. But it's in that midfield. Mix of private is pretty good in the moment. So you get warm guy, which is better one. So they could one guy on the, and then I think you have very comfortable. Off to because they'll be a long time in. No. And we don't have to learn to get to know each other any more. And I'm guessing that middle of last year when Roman was having problems. It's a very desirable team has now did you have a lot of drivers Nacchio saying? The Tacoma ever blast. I've seen place. Sure. I mean there was. Say paperback asking, but I think last year a lot of people. I guess I'm not sure about because nobody told me for that. It was one year one I will call it because we were pretty competitive. But again, it seems like this year we have got a two year one of. But there was some people investigating. But to be honest. We never really looked in Radha wanted to fix mom because we know how quick he can be if he's in the right frame of mind. And that was my my my biggest issue to get him back where he can be that was much mobile than trying to find the next to me. And it seems that it worked out the second half of the season. And hopefully it works out the whole season this year, couldn't yes. Let's hope it works out. Thank you very much Thomas wonderful to speak team. Thank you. What is what you get with going to? He's very direct and has many similarities with successful. Australians are sports. This hero NICKY louder therefore parakeet. Certainly more colorful, an interesting place for having a minute. Thanks for your time going to I really enjoyed our chat and thanks to to house for the hospitality. Well, that's it for this episode. It's crazy to think that say's them to be on the greatest already for episodes old. But that's nothing compared to the great sport of Formula one which celebrates its one thousand thrice in China and to help us celebrate we've got an F one legend behind the mic next week. 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Family Reunion (w/ June Diane Raphael)
"Well here we are again. Danielle couldn't make. You'll have a minute and we'd planned on having our guests June Diane so I hard to hear over the sound of the buffing again in the sound which when even though she's complaining about that just do work don't stop. Don't stop June is. It's quite loud. You know June Diane Ray fullest. Here she is my co host tonight and I wish I could say that we called you last minute. And you were getting your manicure and Betty and you're over but in fact it's been on the books for a long quite some time. You know I really. I will say in. In all honesty I had been trying to get him any petty for the last three days and we are at. I mean you can attest we are at Ground Zero got. Now's a different lengths. I got chips up zoo and I don't like to walk around like this. Come the foils. We're now at GEL removal so. I was really not planning to do it tonight. I tried to get it done Monday night. I couldn't do it. Nobody was available to come to my home or various other location. I WANNA speak about other locations. Well and your home yet so I was at your home. Watching the Oscars low on Oscar Sunday and you hosted just are some people some small small group of Friends. And this is my. I just have to tell both short term and one thing well. I guess it's come to someone else's house into your house you know and you know. I'll do him anywhere but you really well. I really well. I was GONNA do a spray Tan here and getting my little booth and get sprayed down while we were watching the show but that's very loud. That's very I just don't know how you would record that just while we were watching while you were just me in there again. I wish you had told me I. I need one right now. Okay so we met your house. We're watching the Oscars and your people are like now was winding down June. It was winding down. I scheduled it at okay. Well memorium had not come yet so we saw had all the major awards editor is the problem was we were pausing. We were taking breaks. Had It happened at the schedule? I thought it was going to happen. I thought people would be walking out when I don't believe so. You came into the doorway and said excuse me everyone so we all turned your hostess news that I hope no one minds. I will be getting my nails. Done gentlemen lovely gentleman with a headlamp on a miner's light came in and they would win. When I tell you like you know some some dear friends we're like sitting very close to you. Close quarters there and so then. You're getting your nails Zayn. And then the in Memoriam and two was hard toils tears in their eyes going and clapping along with their foils on site to see all in one site line. I know and it was tough because I was next to our our dear friends the Lebron's and they're lovely I. I don't know them that. Well also so I did feel like wow this is this is definitely your conference home. Yeah and to be seated next it. Two straight six gendered men. I knew they I knew they were feeling something about it. And I think I'm approaching it like. Oh It's a post meat delivery people right on package exactly like we're all getting things right to the home big you like you clicked out or something you know. Here's honestly where in my mind if I'm seeded a manny an adjustment because I've also seen at the club you in major meetings s now I will say I apologize to my dear friend in the CEO the Jane Clubs so he region because we had a very important meeting with our landlord and I can't pay the bills but here I'm getting my nails done. We had a very important meeting to discuss something with him. And I had just gotten my nails done there but wasn't quite ready to vote. Misuse back to was. I believe me I I did do that math. I WANNA fuck up this pedicure and walk in there with my heels on or I'm going in with my little plastic flip flops. Oh maybe he didn't notice in Egypt. Okay now I've got a lot that I've gotten my hair cut several times. Yes you have. And then you've got your hair colored and sat in the League. The main ran wrap of color on your head and die on your Foreign Casey. It's no more shocking than leaving. It is even more shocking. People don't know like something happened to you a lot to take in we'll instruments how it okay. Volna law and these are you can tell. They're all I wanna take a nice break themselves like this is their nails. You know but it's like they can't even listen to this because okay. Open the door all sterilized which is great. Okay I have to say so I will get my hair colored and then I'll sit there and because I don't want to wash out or go to the sign of time so I struck a very good deal with someone so she'll do my hair and then I'll wash it out but you told me it doesn't get any darker if you leave it onto leave it on four or five hours leave me. I remember invited. You and the kids over to the pool arrived with God in a hot tub. Sounds like me. It was very strange case with like a forehead full of black. I mean it is jet black dye honestly. Looks like what Jesus Christ looks like? When he's got the thorn in blood pouring down like it is weird it really is not driving home with it to go walk and get coffee with hair dying on the air often. Have the little towel clipped human. So I mean yeah your side of the street. I told anyone this but once a year ago I was at to rebuild space. Yeah now I've never told anyone this but it really applies so my beloved hair person comes to do my hair and I'm just sitting back bug. Who's if I wanted I do? I think he's out. Get Out. We gotta get we packed up. Quicken left you brought licensure beautiful sanctuary. You didn't know I had. I didn't know I had. No one was more shocked than me. My hands were shaking. Kids have lease and he did. Okay did I did not know anyone head lice. I felt like all waiters itching trying different. I was like I've got something like I was trying to get out. The raid didn't occur to meals lies so I come home. Everyone's got lice. David had not come home yet. Any advice kids headlights. We're going through checking everyone from legs and we'll go to the place we're getting everyone's getting combed out and then it was. David Stern and I said to him if you don't have Buchan Lice. Were not spending enough time. You're not hands on or some as it were it goes. I gotTA good I go. They'd better fully grown. I had. Yeah Yeh be live it better be a pandemic in there and better be. Biden's yeah out for blood. Yeah they'd better be multiplying. You better be patient zero honestly. Wow I can't believe that happened to nurse base. I'm definitely tripping up on that. I'm surprised honestly that your hair person went back to you after that 'cause they do yeah I was really under word for her and I and yeah. I handled it so beautifully. I mean she was shocked. She said like one like jumped off my head like it didn't jump off into danger just jumped on my skull. She was did. You can account for all of them. Some of them ditch empathize by the way listeners gave that was as base. We're no sorry and there's no more lies in my head either. That's great news. David catching the guy that was doing it. Who's also become a friend man was taking? Oh I remembered about what he wanted to call it. What was the? What is the company's name? The company is Lousy nitpickers. Lousy nitpickers. David was literally begging the guy to change it to no more Mr Lau sky no no more Mr Lice Guy hold on Laos as what skews. Km signers David has been begging the guy to call it no more Mr Lice Guy. That's yeah because like I got my business got. Yeah all that much business which I could understand. You know. It's a business where you're like. I'm getting A. She was asking me if I if I wanted to. Joe I mean a wet petty or dry one dry I think. Oh I'm sorry. Let me do. Dry One yeah. I'm I'm so sorry about that and you just go. I'll setup. Did you see when it was the greatest thing I've ever seen when Rita Wilson was just simply tweeting my hair and makeup of not arrived yet before the Golden Globes. My Hair's not hanging upside here. No one's here where are they? She tweeted a picture of herself in the driveway. Just looking she did. Yes unless I imagined that but but I want with hair. That was terrifying. And where were they? Where were they? Read a Wilson. Yeah she's sitting front row absolutely the fact that she took to the boards with that was divine. There's really you know her. Performance mix nuts is one of my favorite comedic performances of all times. I know that nobody ever. Nobody seen the movie. But it's it's one mixed nuts really is of course. It's one of my favorite Christmas. She's great she's so good when she has this Christmas lights in is trying to untangle them. It's one of the best physical comedic performances. I've ever seen see well. Welcome to that'll Dan. I'm happy to be here. I'm sorry I missed Janelle but I'm happy to be here and I'm glad I could bring my services really off. His relatable here at the top June is drinking with foils on a diet. Sunkist June. So happy to have you we have. We have three cities to chat about anything else. Before we get into it going on your life you wanNA share with listeners. 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The Bachelor fucking slow. It's way too slow like Mexico or lifting the wall and meeting. Mahathir how people you can't even believe it. And they're all very good looking because I was like. I don't WanNa Watch. Someone rejects someone for their looks. I don't want that. It is not that they don't know on the other side of the wall and they are building genuine connections there. Kfc were all not good looking any disparity any humans. There's inequity but I didn't want like a poor woman a man's be like oh I don't like you. Based of course they're not all but it's fascinating it is now because you're right. The Bachelor is spinning footage. That should have been cut into fifteen minutes into two hour specials and it is unacceptable into the entire Susan. Yeah what's happening on? Love is blind is so addicting and so amazing okay. I'll my my sister-in-law said she's a cod. Remember when you're young and you thought love mannered. What a quote like. Oh Wow but these. People are so earnest or like. What do you want a husband? That's what I watch. They're crying. They don't have any access to cell phones for the whole month. They're within five weeks meaning five episodes not by their time their meeting each other through the wall. They're getting engaged. They're flying to Mexico. They're going to see each other's families and but multiple people each week are doing all these things. It's amazing I can't wait now. Can I ever posing through a wall? And you know what they're not just reality trashed. They're actually except one of the guys Carlton was on Atlanta. Wait Carlton with a smaller character ass. Just and I simply assistant or Kenya. But I'm telling you people are from Maine. It's a bit of a ten years old assistant. Carlton Yes who used to do the dancing and stuff with I think. So yes light. I was obsessed with him Kay well Carlton is bisexual. And he's he's working that out right now with with a woman for Post you through. The wall are happening now. Can I ask hosted by two pieces of wood? Nicholas and Vanessa Lachey. Ya Yes. She's Alicia yeah she's all Are you I will watch it. Okay are you up on sister wives at all now. I don't know what's going on there. Who Casey I might suggest you'd you'd touchback absolutely it. Is Mary running the bed and breakfast? So that's a great question. I don't know we haven't they haven't mentioned that. Bettembourg we how could they not have mentioned on moved to Flagstaff Arizona? They left Vegas. Yes but do your call and yes of course Mary about that but I think her I think she was traveling. Zippy and be. They haven't mentioned that the season. That's all I know. So I don't think it bodes. Well she's still working on. She's such a new rally Morocco or whatever that no. She's like a brand ambassador for this company called Lou Meru. It's like basically Avon ladies for clothes and there was a huge New York Times. Expose about the woman who runs the company and said basically all of these brand ambassadors so this is a massive Ponzi scheme and that again. She's got really hard after she was catfish. There's just a lot going on and means we all did give that enough. I think about it all I pay area was catfish and cody had to receive that news in real time. He's like well Mary Casey I think about it. All it was the house. Robin so First of all the houses in Vegas died and bushy tailed. Robin spin ravaged. By time my time I mean they all are the crazy thing issues that they don't get into make up. I know and it's unforgivable. Tlc It's forgivable gave a ball. I've called for it. Looks like a different person. It's something very had too many children. I I mean they've they will be in the hot sun while now they're in flags effort. Zona. They're all living like twenty fifteen minutes half an hour. Wait a different house. No their whole thing is like we live together. Where can you do you remember the entire? I mean there were seasons leading up to that Vegas. Cul De sac sees smoker. Mary was going to get her keys in white is Mary. Which I mentioned with one daughter I if I could open the books on the sister wives this finances and just understand how they equitably splitting up because Mer. It's it is kind of insane. She's getting the same house for one person. Ever daughter Marie for our Mariah her net mariah and her now fiance are not living there. There live in Chicago. Of course they don't. They're like okay so now they've moved to flagstaff. Because cody had a vision. Okay what's so crazy is like he's been breakfast. Okay go on I duNNo. Please find out. But cody had a vision of leaving Vegas and Godly all to the bought. This prophecy all coyote pass and they all moved to flagstaff Arizona. The idea being they've lived in these rentals. And then eventually build on this giant property which is like legitimately a beautiful piece of land. Okay he's see. The whole idea was will pull money out of the Vegas houses. We'll start building on this flagstaff property. They can't sell the Vegas House what they can. Of course they can like their shitty houses in in an area that no one wants to be like twenty seven with like ten rooms. That have been made into twenty. If it just doesn't make sense so now they're all panicking and flagstaff. Cody is pitching. He has drawn up the plans and they're beautiful plans. He's drawn up the plans for one house for all of them to live in. And do they want that as well too. That's why that's why this season is so good because what's been triggered activated with this idea of one home is like he's just said on the last quiz. Christine doesn't want it and neither does. Genetics does want it. Casey but I thought so jail right. Christine is the one that everybody likes and she doesn't want it. Christine is basically like I'm not doing it and Robin is a little bit open to it. Mary is somehow kind of open to it to our Mary Robinson palling around not as much as they used to. There's been a lot of hurt there because there's a law not because the catfish also because Mary's pulling away from the family breakfast is open. Oh Okay Great. Yeah but sh- out there. All these unbelievable scenes were they turned like. They're all talking and Mary's been silent for an hour and they turned to her and they're like so. Do you have any thoughts on this? This scene happens multiple times during the show and she goes. Oh I I do but I don't know if anyone wants to hear my I don't know if she's such a fucking victim. So last episode cody said he's like if we can't live in one basically if we can't live in one house and be a family. Why are we a family? And that's what the audience has been saying for. Yes like why are if we can't get past her own shit. Why are we doing this? You have to live with her husband and three women in their twenty three. Oh Larry is because the basic premise of all of this is falling apart. Right for all of them doesn't make sense. Are they also getting along with cody well? Marian cody is yeah. I mean that's it's so dark itself over there and spending the night you think I don't think so. So what are you doing? Was He used to do? One night per lady and Little Duffel bag running back within the Las Vegas Sun. Will you'll see what he is. Designed in home is basically like a home for himself Within the home. Which is mother that this mother fucker? There is Brad. Yeah it's crazy easy. Wow Okay so if some of them are bring up just basic like engineering problems. Because he's underneath the house ten car garage and they're like that's GonNa be a nightmare archer. They paid for this show. Oh Casey if I could again. I do want to know about anybody. Any anyone has any answers here. Like God what I wouldn't give to understand salaries year yummy too. I really be. That's a network. I mean I know we were talking about Sarah furger starting. Hbo But like he's Really John. K Plus eight started TLC. And then I guess the Dugard's or the dougans or they are but like sister wives when I looked on I tunes beginning but when I look fine but when I look on I tunes. It's always like Rupaul. Strawberries in the sister arrives. It's up there. It's up there and people don't want to talk about how much they watch it. And because they're ashamed very free you have wonder why I got off it. I love general much. Love the benign. She sized way she and cody of the best relationship while we had a tough moment last week when they tried to like be cute with each other and kiss in the driveway and they dismissed and hazelnuts motion. And he goes wow. He's such a doofus. He's as war or so awkward when we kissed. Each Other. And she's like I know as they've never been bathed in chemistry those two I know is he still like Super Hot. Robin always really. He is still robin still energizing I think. Not just cody. I think Robin sent a message to everyone like lead. Yeah Yeah Live. Let's up our game about even straight times ending that thing. I mean if you told me all of those women were like thirty three thirty four thirty two. I would be like I believe they might be. Yeah but they're just ravaged by these marriages these children and it's still dark so grams know still doing her training sessions now. Casey and that goes on that. We don't speak about that. Sorry Sardaz I know. Let's take leave me. Let-let's with stackable extra seating sofa beds extendable tables and multi-purpose poofs article selection of Stylus furniture has exactly what you need to upgrade your home article offers direct to consumer furniture that combines the curation of a boutique furniture store with the comfort end. Simplicity of Shopping Online. They're designed team focuses on beautifully crafted pieces quality materials and durable construction. 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It's hard because I mean you said this about Theresa's we were watching tonight and her fallout with. Margaritas offends. Just all of it and even seeing her with Joe. It's like watching a cave woman Yeah it's like watching a cavewoman. Just interact a neanderthal. John Sorry to say it like bulldoze through life and also do things that are so dumb and have real real life real terrible consequences. Real terrible not smart. I mean again like we saw the face of Adriana and I know him jumping to the the bonus episode after we had no idea. I don't know where where I've been living with. Had No idea that was coming at the end. Yeah that was wrong. I thought we were going into a reunion. I had no. We're stopping and we were going if you haven't seen it. We do a half an hour episode. Cut Right to Italy in the reunion between trae tree and Joe and everyone's wearing Gucci and were there in wherever in beautiful time and you said it there peasants peasant people and so it was a nice family from Italy we had. Nobody was amazed return in that way like is he went back to the old country. They went back to the old country near present. People who like who wanted the glitzy Glam and there was no there there you know. And they've returned to be better than people. Yeah eating soups all sorts of Lake Party dishes. I don't know Casey I mean what we. I know how to talk about the actual episode. But I'm no. I really really reeling. From what we just witnessed. We're watching children first of all we couldn't figure out. Why are the children? Why does she care about the kids missing school? She's like we're just GONNA. We'RE GONNA go in three weeks. He's been out for three weeks. They do not go for three weeks. Dare Italy warranty their when their father got off the ice plane in Italy when it because he reports not having any money seemingly nowhere to go. I didn't have it. Why didn't they arrive then to help him get his bearings because what we realized? Yeah later on in the episode is Teresa and Joe. Okay we see. The conversation in real time fell crazy to be met right after the kids. Go to bed. Sorry that was a little said to stop under a little bit but the Dutch. Yeah I mean the conversation we witness. It felt wrong yet. I thought Ryan you're on the show. I always like in any corner in order to see what I need to see. This is to see tree and see each other after the kids are GonNa Baton. And he wanted to stay and have sex and she was like no like. We just haven't seen each other in four years. Casey the line when he when he is Swish Swish Morale Matt. Red Wine had not had not stopped drinking since narrows he goes when you guys leave him. Stop Drinking which that argument is absolutely insane when he she says. Can you look at me? Can you turn around and look at me? And he says I got to see a physicist. Got Legg's gotTa legs right here. Alex right here buddy. Ooh I think Theresa only one to go for two days because she wanted to break up with Joe but she does not want the kids to hate her that why she has stayed within this whole time and so she's like what do you WanNa do. I mean two separate countries like so. We can still meet up fun. He's like daring her. He he does. He wants to be able to say to his kids. Which is such bullshit walked away. Your mom didn't want to come. I wanted to say she was begging him to say. Let's let's break up and finally she was like I mean she had to be honest. Yeah the fact that they did that in front of and it was real it was not like oh I got. It was never been so real. Never been there is a different show is called real. Never never really Tone and tenor to that episode. That many big whatever. Whatever that was that was unlike anything I've ever seen. It was like marriage story. I have never seen that movie but it felt like. Ap It was if you felt like it was because it was real. Yeah this husband. He's like Oh we can still have fun. He wanted to get right there and she's basically like no and then she breaks up with him. It was crazy grazing and then the first day that there altogether. She's let's go shopping. They're all just shopping around looking for if we've learned anything if we as a family have learned anything and it's something about our family being torn apart. Our Father is a citizen of Italy. Talia can never see us in America and Adriana is split because of money laundering. Yes if we've learned anything it's that we should not shop we should nor should we be in a lie flat seats in. First CLASS TO I listen. I was willing to the long flight. Just want them to save money. Like we're taking care of Papa. I'm worrying you. Oh my God the legal bills and this isn't definitely it's not over not over and they're all wearing Gucci up those million crazy job very different face. I think he's so gaunt that I think we're seeing his teeth. Because they were they were hidden much fuller. Facebook think Danielle said he will gain eight hundred six nine. That's correct. I didn't mind those glasses Lou. I thought it was a nice look guy. He is really appalling. I have to say though it. The thing that gets me a little too upset is Adriana. I'M GONNA be honest June. I've never noticed Audran nor did I ever touched on her name and I am someone who studies the case paid to watch. She's never made one impression on me. Now the one Gabriella the one. I'm always focused on her because she just looks like staring off in the distance. They're all hugging and laughing. And she's just staring she looks at Gabriel. Look so different. I feel badly talking about these kids but well Gabriella look so different but she also acts so different hats you it's like she's we talked. Sorry she's always looking on like who are these people. I've just been plunked with food every day. I know I keep saying. It's a new day for her everyday Russian doll. She's they're done but Adriana is simply this. This does upset me. She is too young to process this to understand. Mus To be put through this. It's really it. It really upsets me. You know listen if I were tree I would have. I think taken them out of school for the rest of the semester and home schooled them. Of course like what what? What are we talking about here? I think Theresa wanted to end it so that she didn't have to be with Joe and get sucked back into in with him for two three weeks. She wanted to go there for two days to say she went to deliver the kids to him to break up with him. Comeback and from now on. It's just a kid going so for the longer trips. I guess they just want for Christmas and that's hard. I was thinking of tree. I know she would the pool guy. I don't know I hope she's when she's done. I was proud of her. I really really really was proud of her. I was too I was it. It's it's hard to watch over and over through the years like this dummy makes such dumb choices and it was really. I feel like we deserved as viewers. It's just having sat through it like her to make a choice. That was smart. It was felt really good about really good. I know everyone hates when I say I have a soft spot for Theresa Do. I don't know like right. Her mom literally gone to jail and miss time with her children. Because of this man who will not take responsibility such an ASS. Go you making me feel guilty now. Yes I am and she said he hasn't changed. She has had she goes. I'm not the same Joe. She's she's not the everybody goes to stuff. Everybody goes through stuff. And then when he's with the kids and he turns to them after a big swing wine and he's like you guys don't worry about it. It's all going to get cleared up. It's like no he goes. I got this you don't you don't got this about country. Couldn't believe it. He got annoyed with the kids like five minutes to go. Get your bags Malania. You've been around these kids for Three Gorges to yell at them Buddy. It's like you don't get to be overwhelmed by parenting. Because he'd been in jail for years he was like he goes. I'm shot and it was little. I'm shot from being with those kids all day. It was literally a mccaren back. Like you've been together for a meal he goes. Where's the Bellhop Mike? You again been in jail for three years and you're looking for a bellhop news like what the Fuck Shit hotel is this and it was. It was a shooting. It was a Shitty hotel and I don't know why was Shitty Hotel Yeah Yeah So. It was absolutely beautiful. I looked at my God so stunning. But the the quarters were a bit grim ca. Do the actual episode the shot. I I will never forget. It was hunting the shot of tree in the rocking just rocking back and forth house. Tana's I've ever seen seen color as the wood on the here as rocking back and forth back and forth phone. No that's what was crazy. It's like they're usually. You never really see them at rest like that. You never see them like unless they're in a car and even then they're making calls their shea. Styling was powered down. What color are you doing? June I see you're starting the process. You know I I turn on my colors to look at the foot and horrible. Colorado can't even showed getting. You're getting a nice beautiful deep red wine. This is a deep purple. See I like this okay. I like this. I think it says I had the same because Shooting Grayson. Franken had to have the same color and I was really turning on it on on my caller I. About a day later I know. Is there anything to do with ours? I love black. You know clear Mukherjee friend of the Pod just made me feel so terribly about getting black but I I like it. Yeah I don't know sometimes. I honestly just WANNA French manny. You'd always do now but I try not to get. I know people feelings about it but it feels the most right. And it fares better in the same grouping okay that you always. WanNa fringe manny that you love a white car and that you level buttery Chardonnay. Yeah yeah that's all those are all connected deeply connected. You don't have a way car right now. Though I got off it I miss it. Michael Yeah I miss it. You are like away car person now. My next one will be okay. Yeah I miss it. Yeah you know I do I think the problem when I had the Chevy Tahoe. It was such a big white car. We've talked about that Tahoe. My constantly Max US. Where is it you still have it left? Cut Your car yet. See you can't miss it. No you I wish I had let him say goodbye properly Tokyo. That would've been nice. Oh Man my word you know the episode of Jersey Marcos never not got the lesser with like a bite a Burger intermodal. I mean through out the time when we found out that Theresa had indeed given the order to Danielle Staub to pull her pony still eating through it. I love it which I love about her. It's like your life goes on meal. I'm meals happen. She is not tasking. It seems you would like that. I really do appreciate that about her. And that she seems to eat her bosom always bursts forth and So heartily I now I love her style they do like I love. She doesn't give give and I'm GonNa see something I think it. I think it works for her. It's a listen it's a crazy. Look I'm sure in person I think. She looks beautiful in her testimony. So does deloris. Dolores is Doris. I'm doing watch what happens. Live next week. Can't Morris who I live. Of course. She's so beautiful. It's really a very beautiful woman and I want to say I was a bit struck at the end. I love the job. Were continues to want Frankie senior and Dolores to kiss the fact that Dolores is dating a man named David and now it said in the lake where she's at now that she's living. David is living with frank and Dolores. Are they all dating? I don't know I mean I will stay. David and frank seemed to have more of a rapport than David interest. I mean he is a wet noodle. I don't know if just not comfortable in front of cameras or what but I'm not getting much off of him. Yeah and I find his commitment to his job to be creepy creepy. Repeat may just doesn't want to be on the show though it's like frank seniors a cast member. He's arrest series regular. Yeah he is. I mean someone told us a Brian. Moylan said the guys injures you're the only househusbands that get paid. That's why we see them. The most interesting. I always forget about housewives like different production. Companies for different city stiffer ru different rules apply. Wow that's fascinating I mean. I'm so I'm GonNa say this. I'm so disgusted by Joe. I'm sorry I'm looking blankly. Why I just even him wanting them to kiss and his fun of Joe Casey. He's not right you'd mind. He's a little scam. It's wearing on me. It's wearing on. May Twenty Twenty and the election calls upon us. I'm finding him to be insufferable really and his obsession with his own. Dick I am sorry. Another gentleman in the room but his obsession with it is very strange and I believe he has the tiniest penis on the franchise okay. He's I like Jo- I don't know what to say I feel like he's fun loving. I feel like he's fun loving. Kc and he really has. He's made strides in terms of warnings daughter to work getting into peaceline. We use the low standard subtle listeners. Such a low bar. I just I don't know how it's not cute to me anymore. Okay well yeah and I- Matz like I think him and Melissa Vo lovely relationship actually seem to. They do seem to connect I just is performance of himself makes meal. Wow that's fair yeah. And that's Speaking of the election. Where are you as Vicki? Gumbleton leaving we. We never really got me on that man. Oh man and it makes to talk. I didn't expect a lot of what I'm seeing a service of my house without the bag. I didn't expect that such a mess. zooming you saw the reunion where she walked out and yeah. I think that it's very sad To see her and I don't think I'm going to say I don't think the OC survives. Wow and I think that's right that it should actually. Hey that's okay. What law says we have to keep them all we got rid of? We don't see. We got rid of Miami. We don't we don't and apparently there's a new one coming up. Yes a salt lake that I think will replace the OC. And Andy said those women are not in the best of ways and I feel really happy for Vicki that way that it won't continue on without her I do. I'm very embarrassed that she did this season as friend of. Yeah you know if I was her manager and you're always trying to manage we. Yeah and I wish you were managing Mickey. We would said. Don't do it. Get OUT GET OUT ON. I kind of like a Sitcom you know where like we want to end it before things turn south and they did not end up before things turn south. She should've gone on the high of Brooks's cancer faking. Does ridden Rabe into the night. I mean that was a great for you. Know whoever called it on on the reunion specials absolutely right like she doesn't love this man she's marrying Roger. What's his name knows. Roger largest brother I forget his name. It's like it's your Steve. Of COURSE IT Steve. She does not love. Steve and she is willing to be open about that. So what are we watching? We're watching a boring relationship right. He brings nothing and it's it's very interesting. When he was a former cop like I feel like she just wants to. She wants the boundary of marriage. And she doesn't care in what way that shows up She's a put me in this paradigm. Because I am lost by myself and you know what she is supposed to watch this grown ass. Woman who does career is able to make money as two children spinning out in the world and enter into a marriage where. I don't think she has anything to eat. This man nothing nothing just because she knows in her heart of hearts like a loan. I'm more of a disaster and I'll tell you what's really sad when we go back and we circle back to one and I honestly could cry when I think about it. And it's like she should have stayed with don well. Of course you should have. That makes me sad but no I genuinely crisis that was devastating because they despite all the conflicts are yoke all the insanity all of the fights all the things they said to each other they had a connection they had a cadet allows you loved her and he loved her and I think she loved. Of course that's why she keeps like shaking. Anyone talks about divorce is like don't do it. It's not worth it. She thought she was going to get more. And if we'd circled right back she should still be withdrawn. But can we do after all those surgeries later after all very sat? I mean I think like Brooks like fucked the hell out of her Nino factor this way that way upside backside like factor over. No no no no you okay. I mean I know what you mean. He I think she needed that at that time. I really do. But it's like that's all she did be from someone who's faking cancer or not you we get it out with someone with teeth or post veneers before years. That was happening. Yeah well let's take a break and go to vanderbilt. We tools to help us plan and track. Everything in our lives from our finances are steps our careers and now there is an easy and affordable way to test our fertility with modern fertility. This as a woman is one of the most important things you can test so that I think you can feel confident about where you are and plan exactly what you want your life. I support the so wholeheartedly. 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Get Twenty dollars off your fertility tests when you go to modern fertility dot com slash housewives modern fragility dot com slash housewives. We're back shall we move onto vendor palm trees? Oh they're out of their depth on. That show was sweet. It really was but they the passer situation like they don't know how to handle that one. This is not. This is not something that Britney threatening new of course he's in our. I've heard you say before. I'm not sure if I'm sure you've said on the PODCAST. Like the obsession with Britney Yup the sort of like I've never seen a group rally around someone like this is though she's a seat she didn't have the accent. It's just you're right like seeing her standing at like in the titanic pose on that discussing. This is crazy. It's crazy and I do feel like Jackson Bridezilla. Oh He's such a but it's also it but she has shown her true color yes she fucking new at that guy said she knew who he was and why that's jammed the ball. Ask One question. And y'all of the accent but that's what comes with the accent. Those are the views behind the. I thought Tom Sandoval actually did a pretty decent job of offering an on ramp into that covers such a crazy time is like well when I did did make me laugh and well Wednesday time. He's like last year. He was what was going on very much. There's something was happening. Dad died this series getting married next year written. You'll be pregnant again. I docked I'm a guy that it did. Make me love as well. I mean I took you thirty feet away from everybody. It's like when you were on national bad. I mean I was Kinda surprised. Lalas rallying around Britney so-so seem. They shouldn't and they. This is where they don't understand they're just coming at it with like energy. They don't understand what they're saying they don't it's not you Arianna. Tom and Lisa are on the right side of this and I really was disappointed with like. How could you bring this up before the wedding? It's like sheep. Britney new totally because what one out ultimately was the obsession with the bridal industry and the obsession with like. She's getting married. It's like who fucking cares and this countdown. It'S FOR MY WEDDING. Y'All tin days and it's so hard as an audience to care about this wedding. I'm I'm shocked. These people are even pretending to care about it. Well Piquet don't care I just WanNa see been through. I mean they shouldn't be getting married to each other. Of course it was just like there's nothing sacred about this relationship. I WANNA bring up. I think you touched on but has haunted me. Kim. The fact that Jack's fuck till woman on June doug widely in front of an elderly invalid. I will never yeah. It's hard T- should be in jail. I soldier abuse. It's really disgusting. It was glossed over on that show and I really took issue with that. I watched the reunion. They didn't like it was criminal. Yeah really really so terrible. Terrible terrible person. Okay okay. I know we're jumping around. But when Lisa says because you recently just got into vander pump. The fact that I'm sitting here talking about vendor trump is crazy. It's crazy like don't you? I don't know why I'm watching it. Yeah I don't know I don't know why we're watching like a single person and I said that you use someone told us that and sorry to people like you're not watching it expecting to like anyone. You're watching it wrong. You need to know how much you will hate them. Yeah idea that way. Some doors will open for you yet. Find some like tour. Yes I do like Arianna and I do too and I feel very badly for her. She's got that heavy energy. That is hard. It's hard. I mean she should not be on a reality show. I want to say we're talking about you. Going to send sells wedding or NOCCO his wedding because of your mental health. Like I'll tell you what you need to do is get off this show like this eating well and that's where these people are sick. They're all I did appreciate the the deep dive into mental illness and really hearing from her. I this is overstating it made me really sad and she can tell like share physical appearance like some. Some things. Major is going on with her. It's like you should not be on the show. And if sandoval jared about her to he would help steer her off because she's clearly not seeing. I'm not blaming him just saying she's not seen seen clearly. I do love Maria Butter Mike when law. I think really the first time rand has been on okay. I was waiting June first time. We've seen rand again. They never fucking covered fifty cent and what happened with foxy and rand way what they never covered it. I don't know this so I saw the last season. Fast forwarded a bunch of can you just give me that okay so it happened on? Social Media. Rans what happened between fifty cent and Rand Ramon of all my God. Oh my God okay. Whatever happened so basically what happened was and I'm actually just reading in the INQUISITOR Bravo was not allowed to feature Lalla Ken and Randall. Emmett's feud with fifty cents on Vanderbilt woolmer time. Basically Bravo was not allowed to feature. This feud integrator because of Legal Issues Bravo wasn't allowed to show all the dirty details. There's so much legal stuff going on with that said Stasi what happened. Okay so la. La in every single episode would be talking about random sky. We didn't know we knew it was film producer. She's she's like I've been on jets. I've been on this. I've been on that and rand owed fifty cent a million dollars. So he's watching this show and seeing all of this and he just took to instagram. And this is Joe dice all over again. The entire scandals called softy. Which just makes me die. So good for basically he just he just came online and was basically like pay me my money. Randall. And showing clips of Lala talking about money and he just went for him went after him multiple times. He's like you of two days to pay me my money or else or else what? I'M NOT GOOD. Are Else next thing we know. Randall is now in the hospital. Cedars Sinai Heart Monitor. You know cardiac graph like what are those things. All over. Who Cardiology whatever. Because he said I'm having heart problems he's randomness. Is texting fifty going? I'm having palpitations. Please fifty please please please like. Please stop this. You'd and then fifty posted a posted on. It was amazing. Like one of the most amazing things in many begum. That's what I heard him. Yes it was. It was so insane like truly the the greatest thing I've ever heard. What have you made of rand up until now so I didn't know what the hell rand was but I gotta say when I saw this week I really liked him. I did too. I thought he misses Nice. He seems like a nice guy. Very nice. Matanzas Delilah Yeah. I don't know why I thought it would be kind of dark and mean or something. That was literally it's GonNa Jack's Yeah I do. Think Lalas using him as like a replacement father. Yeah but by the seeds as they go like a fine wants that. She hasn't moved in and they've renovated the Gary's got your kids so maybe there's just also yup I mean there is something that scares me when you see someone so young like her who wants to play house like that and you know who wants to get in there and be domestic and and be a wife and all of that where you're just like. Oh no this is not gonNA work I just don't think they'll be in it for the long haul. I do Casey. I think they have something very genuine. I think since she's gotten sober and their love only grown. I think that's a very good sign. The she's really in her right mind. I think this is to be very close together. Yeah he he's not something to feast your eyes but I appreciate him. He's got a light hearted missed him. I thought he was kind of fun when they went out to dinner with. Bret with Brittany and jazz. Yeah that was a friendship. I didn't know the friendship that he's a groomsman rand. Paul rand is now groomsmen. That was very unexpected. It's crazy Jackson just like replace Jews Sandoval. Do you think the end of all Narayan will end up at the wedding. Yes okay this. Don't okay the funniest thing to me was after Lisa's reports to Jackson and what's her face that her mother has passed away and very sad and I'm I am worried about Lisa founder. Brian to and I have a real love her you do. I really do and I'm sad. She's been through a lot and it's been a tough year. She made the right decision. Just doing this show and not Beverly Hills absolutely but when she tells them like just focus on yourselves like don't worry the I took it as like life is short. Don't worry about the small stuff you know. And they walk out of that meeting and Jackson's aac really great that we talked to her. Like I- disinvited my MOM NOMINEE DISINVITE SANDOVAL. Like that was your takeaway. He likes she said. Gee this terrible event happens like you're all respect. Somebody yeah like zooming in on what actually matters. These like in what matters is rand rand is going to be there. I I I did appreciate. I thought it was really sweet. Schwartz teared up and they both got so emotional most to have a very never in my life and when Short said so genuinely late buddy I gotta tell you. I just think we've been this often. Something I know that was so I love him. I Love Schwartz. I do too. I used to be really attracted to him. I'm not anymore But yeah the Lizard of it. All you make starseed's boyfriend. I like him but I think he's on the show for his business. His acting career wait. He's an actor. I thought he ran an extra casting agency really. He's a former actor actor. He's trying to get his voices out there and get himself out there and this past week or last week when he had a T. shirt on trying to showing US doing videos raw. This is all part of the same thing. He's okay it wasn't actor but I'm going to roll this right into reality because this is you know burden the hand and not to put it down. He seems like a nice guy but I I feel like he's really like he does seem that he seems like a nice normal. I laughed heart. You're not to. You're not gonNA play tonight Twain Song which was it was I i. It's a tie up song. I was dying lake and his reaction really made me laugh. I mean I don't know I do think someone basic like him as the right move for Stasi. Yeah that she can sort of put on him. Whatever she needs to put on him thinks he is like God's Gift yes God's asked for Isaac has ended the plane but I do think he's cute. I Know Danielle we would. I would've yes. Yes yeah a thousand percent. Yeah yeah I mean it was? It got a lot happened this week. It was really chock full. I mean I don't care about the young ends. I don't care about the Max. They don't care about that one. I don't care about Charlie who document about Gratina Don. I don't know I've one zero one point. I was like their pull me a little bit and then I know I don't care what Dana I don't care about calling Max and he's like you know calculating receipts. I'm good I do find her to be compelling to look at like I would love to see her in fifties movie in a red lip and like a smart Brown suit. I do I find her to have here in like legal in our own. Exactly what I'm saying like. I think she has an interesting face on camera yoga. Yeah Okay Sheena is Negative watch what happens live with Sheena I did was a connection made. Yes what a sweetheart. She's she's a Swedish. She could be You now she's Sheena say like she is Sheena Shay to record to her core eager available suite It's interesting 'cause I I wonder I actually don't know how old she is but that Husky voice is the voice getting skier as time goes by. I mean she sounds at now voice and I'm like wow it. Sounds like she's smoking packs and packs it now. Account Sound Good. No but she was very sweet and you know. We chatted in the midst between commercial breaks and she had certain gripes with the show and And just the the pay and I think she's doing the fucking lords work over there. She really isn't she said that I think that she's not a regular on the show. I'm not sure how they pay them. Exactly bunk because she's playing both sides of the line now. That's bunk bunk. Wow yeah she took me like. I got a peek behind the curtains there into just like the the contracts and stuff which is you know all I want me to. Yeah that's all that's all. I want. Well he knew before we we wrap up. I want to just quickly touch on Atlanta which is just to say mark daily Mark Daily Mark Daily. He is Kenya's husband. He calls her Ken. Everybody is dying over Ken he just keeps going Ken. Ken and knee. Everyone is dying that Kenya shuts right up. He is so overpowering he so dominant. He's such. I'm John Hughes crazy person. He's like a sociopath and she'll be you know how she is pitching someone out and then he goes Ken and she snaps right into line. And it is something to behold. Everyone's like me and he's like I love when Kens and cans around her mouth is shut when it's scary. He sided with Nina over Kenya. He puts her. He hates Kenya and then coming. Now I know I I'm just reporting. You know they have a baby yes they have a baby number one. Let's cue be and so she wants you know she's so happy baby. I'm not I am genuinely very happy for her. I'm like I'm just happy. She has her baby. This is not gonNA work out. But she's got a beautiful baby girl and I love his Kenya so many sides now. She's a great mom. She's insane. I love her so much but next week. It's caught on camera. You know like when they do the Audio or candy and Mark Daily in a party in the corner and candy goes you like being married and he goes. No I hate it. Everybody knows and that's unfortunately coming up. Fuck fuck I know. He hates her. People realize these cameras are rolling. And these MEX- hot deals like Theresa. When she was so they had shown that the other thing a water it was so good lady. You didn't you did it sweetie like since. When did they ever not shown anything? Leeann lock INS gone for her racist comments like when? Have they not shown anything that would air? It's like people don't think things are going air. Yeah there gonNA pay what what's definitely GonNa air is the stuff where you're whispering like in each other's hair and stuff like that we'll be out there so not too much else on Atlanta. It was kind of like a transitional episode. But we're heading to Greece. Thank God land always goes great places. I'm very excited for that. I'm excited to see all the couples together. You know things are afoot. I I'm just leaving Atlanta. It's it's so good and Ken is a new character. Everyone's obsessed with Ken. Ken is doesn't say a peep. She starts to talk shuts down which is horrible. But I'm just saying it's such a difference from his hand yarder. Yeah it's very it's great and I hope she's okay. Yeah me too as I think. That was such clean. Yeah I did I did. I did and hope she's okay. You know so. My thoughts sounds us. I hope this is a consensual. I mean yet. It sounds terrible right right how much. I love Kenya. I've been that's really all the news to report. Please Watch love is blind. Please listen to origins about sex and the city that podcast. I was telling everyone about. It's so good. Yeah Gosh I Love Your Michael Patrick King Jack. Up The show. It's really great Anything else you WanNa talk about your grace and Franky agrees out. Yes new season taping and then Yes the next season is being filmed right now and yet. That's pretty much it i. I would just love all of your incredible listeners to follow the Jane Club on Instagram. And Use Code Not GonNa take that on It's not really a code. But just just mentioned it in your application and it will be a little bit of an Easter Egg for our concierge to find for fifteen percent off. And I'm going to blow myself in Grayson Frankie frankly. Pc's in a six season. Doing incredible work. Thank you and maybe in the next one which I'm so my gosh. Of course. Yeah so thrilled about how June. Thank you for filling in a little strange to feel kinda quiet in here like the energies kind of gone with other friends here. Yeah I know those technicians. They were a silent energy although they were actually pretty loud a wish I had a name on. Yeah I wish I had a name on either of them rude. I don't disagree. I don't disagree then to call them loud. It's like if anything I thought they were quite you do kind of neither knew they were walking in set up and say we're doing a podcast and you just sat down and made no mention it. I just said you'll be sitting here and I have to face this way toward the microphone. lovely women really. Yes one one. Look very familiar to me. You know listen. I wish new their names. They did great work. I'm happy I've got a wine. Colored Downey in petty. I'll take a picture of it. We can posted online. And I guess that's it all it all day. That's all we got watched Mr Wise. Apparently yes I really would like to come back for or even just record like a little mini episode with you just about any time you know. I don't know if the fans are calling for again. It always seems to be in the top smears top five of I two. Are Those things right? We'll see some shows. It's like it'll be like working mindy. He'll pop up in there like something. Just crazy I don't know how their aggregate or Algorithm or whatever you WANNA call. I don't know how it works but I assume that whatever people are buying the most of Lands Air A. I. Eating right back on the train just have gotten amish. Ause love is blind. We'll discuss next week. I think that's it. Thank you to ear wolf and now sir. I don't know you. Lovely man isn't sitting next time. I'm only pointing it out because we're making amends with the people nearest us. Okay see I wanNA do give you did and I forgot it now. Justin. I just. You're you're you're I wanted to eight tossing who's been lovely was crawling on hands and needs to plug in your extension cord for your gels. I just want to say to you Justin. Thank you BA. Guess you've never been our engineer before. Of course I met you during a Kerfuffle and the collision that was Justin and your nail technicians whose names will never know thank you Justin. Thank you ear well. Thank you Dana and get Danielle Matthew. Thank you June Diane Rayfield. Thank you for having me. Thanks for being here as always by everyone i.