19 Episode results for "Mr Hubbard"

502  Beasts (by Nigel Kneale)  Buddyboy

Fusion Patrol

41:46 min | 6 months ago

502 Beasts (by Nigel Kneale) Buddyboy

"Fusion patrol is a listener supported. Podcast find out how you can help. Support us at patriotair dot com slash fusion patrol. This is the fusion patrol vodka. Each week we look at different science fiction tv episode or movie and analyze it to within an inch of its life. Welcome to the discussion. Hello and welcome to another episode of fusion petroleum. You eugene. i'm simon tonight. We're looking at third episode of nigel. Neal's beasts this episode entitled buddy boy dave porn theater impresario and jimmy. His right hand man. Meet up with mr hubbard outside the abandoned finney land former indoor dolphinarium and now abandoned wreck of a building. Dave is looking for a place to open his newest porn theater and land might just be the renovatable dump. he's looking for. The place is in a right mess as they hear hubbard's tale of running a dolphinarium they had a dolphin. Die their star in smarts of the bunch buddy boy and he just had to get rid of the others before they died too. Because that's how dolphins do hubbard. Seems very upset by the whole thing scared. Even while they find lucius squatter and former employees at the park. She's a mousy messed up. Sort of young woman. Obsessed with the dolphins and buddy boy in particular lucy clears off. Hubbard wants a deal now. But dave wants inspector to come in. Looks like the deals off. But as dave is leaving hubbard. Here's the sounds of a dolphin and runs out telling dave he can bring in an inspector. He's really scared now. Back at dave's peekaboo club after some gratuitous nudity. Dave is explaining to jimmy. That hubbard is scared. Desperate to sell. But he's worried he might be mixed up and afraid of the mob and that could be bad for him. He's having second thoughts about the deal. Back at the theater. Davis got his inspector looking for things wrong with the building so that he can negotiate a better price. Lucie is there and she tells him about buddy boy how when he got sick. The other dolphins tried to keep him alive although she doesn't know what happened exactly before you got ill buddy boy in a mind of his own. And he wouldn't do the routine as planned hubbard in. The trainer had to show him who was boss as she fantasizes about when the park was opened. Dave here's the sound of a dolphin. Lucy passes out from exertion and lack of food. Dave takes her and feeds her and also gets more info. After getting more info dave surmises that hubbard's attempts to dominate buddy boy him fatally injured but without marks allowing him to collect on the insurance money he thinks that the presence of lucie is causing his guilt to manifest meanwhile hundred has been hearing noises in his apartment and his health is failing. He needs to sell that property and leave on holidays. He fixes a meeting with david. Hubbard's luxury apartment. Hubbard's lawyers strongly opposes the terrible terms of the deal on offer from hubbard but hubbard. We'll have none of it. He's unwell at. He just needs to get rid of that property before he leaves on holidays. Dave shows up with a check for a fraction. Of what hubbard is asking. He also brings in lucy. Which rattles hubbard so much that he agrees to the absurdly small figure. Even let's take over his apartment deal done. Hubbard is gone that night. Triumphant dave and his new digs takes lucy into his bed. He's into it. But lucy is indifferent about the whole mechanical process until she starts thinking about buddy boy and then she goes wild in the sack. Dave is impressed. It's always the mousy ones that really surprised in it. Post-coital lucy heads to the bathroom and drowns herself. What the hell did i just watch. Okay buddy buddy boy. Oh i what did you think of buddy boy. Now you to king king this. Is this been pretty different to the first couple of sites. I mean that goods that well crafted but there's nothing that stands out about them. But this one i immediately i can. I can definitely imagine re watching. This almost immediately wanted to rewatch it. Because i was thinking what the hell it did not go in the direction that i expected to in several different directions that i completely didn't expect i wasn't quite sure what was going on but this is different. I mean this is that this is quite unexpected and h definitely go good something else that makes it memorable in a way that says. Perhaps the other stories went to me. Wow okay. I can't think of a more sordid underwhelming story that i've seen and would would knock this one down into nigel neal's worst thing i've seen. It's all it's work. I will agree. Didn't go in any direction i expected. But it's unpleasant. That's the word unpleasant woke across the deaf yet is yes it's quite. I mean. I'm not saying. I don't think about. He's coffee was pleasant. But there's definitely there's definitely an edge to this one is go something much more interesting about here in the relationships within a. Oh okay. what is what is neil trying to tell us in this story and i am working on the assumption that he is trying to say something. I don't know. Because i because i still i still don't i still don't entirely. I still don't entirely know what kind of story wages watched the There's a logger. Well in the sense that i mean it's you know so pigeonholing tells you that much about it but first episode was a a paranormal episode. Yup definitely. I'm not sure exactly what neo was trying to tell us. That story is that but you know something about crazy lessons. And i see. I'm not sure what neal was trying to sell us in that story. Second story was science fiction. This story don't know. I didn't know i mean it wasn't a ghost story about dolphin because the united that that is a is a fantastic premise. But i'm not sure that we actually. We did have a ghost that the appoints through the story where i mean things. The things are pointing to the guys. Whether hubbard says hobbit strand. What are the stories about how and oviously the the interesting element about hobbies. The is the back story what what did have a do. And what did buddy boy do or his buddy boiled the ghost of buddy boy doing in revenge because there is definitely an indication that will help it at least believes in the ghost of buddy boy. I think i'll i'll go with that. i think. Even there isn't a ghost. Hubbard is sincere in his beliefs. Then a point. I thought well is his lucy possessed by body in some way. I mean i thought she might be a manifestation of the spirit of buddy boy except that then hobbit recognized to have incited realized that she she had she she'd been around the same time buddy boy but that doesn't preclude the possibility that there was some form of Dole fine possession going on back but actually the mole damore. I watched it the more. I kind of thought note. Actually what we have here is more obsession than possession. Yup i hit it. Go with something akin to the way out of the teenage girls. Will i mean she. She's a Older teenage girls and horses. Kind of saying ooh dear Thought that was just a catherine the great rumor. Yes she's she's definitely obsessed and not sure that well. no i'm. i'm sure that about halfway through it. I was pretty sure it was sexual and confirm that by the end which that there is something being said here. I don't know what it is. But i agree with you that there i bright. You could look at a bright way. Billy and say that is just a horror story about a supernatural event and how people react to it. You don't have to have a you don't have to be saying anything. They could be saying something about the squalid nature of of the people there and and lack of compassion for the for the weird one. But that's incidental to the story and or to the to the melodrama that's going on and then the rat one i think is also telling us during bharti's party is telling us something about it because we're talking about the the collapse of think it's roger and the the together of angie relative to their original roles going into the story so again it's it is about what happens to people in these dress situations this one obviously the beating the sex angle over your head in in any number of different ways and we already know that nigel kneale has got the thing about tv that the that sort of let's call it permissive progressive aspect of of society which we saw a bit of in the sex olympics but obviously he's not opposed to using it in his stories in. I guess what would be considered an artistic sense. I mean the girl coming. In and getting her getting her breasts out is both completely and utterly gratuitous but at the same time it is absolutely emphasizing the dehumanizing nature of this business in these people and how they are divorced from the human connection there mean he did they are barely visible. Look okay there is. There is a team and there. I guess these link the link you'll working towards the between the peekaboo club and vinnie land in the sense. That both hubbard and dave using using the dolphins is objects to entertain the public days doing something similar with the galaxy workings club. Baby maybe the certainly is is north. Kelsey it it. Because that's not the business season is. He actually dismisses that he's into into showing films and read really interesting thing about dave Because there is a there. Is i mean obviously that. That's the big guest role martin. Sure and there is a a kind of enigmatic quality to his car not particularly enigmatic. But he's not he's not a as he has pretensions. Let me put it away. He gave up he. He knocks down jimmy. When when he brings in makes various suggestions about it because quote he he's into making classy. Is this being a man who runs a club. Coup the peekaboo peaking. But it's therapy now. He he he even goes into it. I mean i. I missed the reference. But i'm yeah i'm halfway thinking he's referring to the same commission that we were making talk of in indu doom watch and sex and violence about how bad is now. Okay and it's part of the culture and it's it's therapy even it's it helps these people i mean he is. He's laying it on thick fair. And i can't tell if he believes it or he is using it as an excuse to exploit it. I think it's the latter will live. We'll i mean. I think there's things element self delusion in him here and i think i think i think he believes quite a lot of the stuff that he says he's not. He's not especially self-aware. Cy when he when he's going on about all this and stuff he genuinely thinks the stuff he's talking about is classy but at the same time he is. He is easing He's he's interested in thinking about things he he's not. He doesn't behave in a mind his way he is. He is trying to to examine. What's in front of him. So when he's faced with this deal is whether by any land from hubbard. He's interested in. Why hubbard is so desperate to sell yup not just because it matters to him in terms of making the deal because in the sense you go. Well he's desperate to sell call. I've got to do is just made to rock bottom offer because matter why he's desperate sell well. He mentioned the gangs. But i but i actually think he becomes interested in the questions for its own site and he sees in hope it season lucy. A problem scotus someone to throw out dave. I got the sense initially season. Lucy someone who can provide him with information because she she oviously knows she knows where the bodies were buried in terms of of and vinnie land and it costs next to nothing to give her a joint takeaway and oscar. A few questions in exchange. And i'd i'd i'd think he's particularly cruel man i think he i think he's. He's interested in helping how long it doesn't cost him too much. And as long as it is in his interests to do so but but when she collapses and when he decides to take her and feed her all of that seemed very businesslike. Or i could i could interpret. Is that except for the part where he picks her up and he says something. Like you need help. And i'm just the guy that can give it to you and then kisses her. Yes before taking her out. Which i like is he trying to. Is he trying to use the lure of of sex to get her to trust him or is he taking an interest in her or does he just simply not know how to interact with other human beings and obviously he's the canny one of the bunch. I i would have believed his coming. Let's pretend care about her by the end of the story more if he hadn't lead with drag you off kiss you and then feed you and then go right back to trying to get information from her. That was clouded. My opinion of what the heck he was doing. But then this is a man who i could believe. Would you sex as a tool. Because that's what he does for a living think that's what he's doing. I don't think that's what he's doing. I i don't either. Which is why that kiss sort of well. It's so it's not chased. It's so weird. I mean it's just it's just that is just not the moment to kiss somebody it just isn't it it like nope can't figure out what you're doing there and then off you go and as if it never happened so i mean it's not exactly chased but it's not a very sexy case though it's aggressive. Yeah so there is something. There's something weird going on. That develops he's interested in how develops on this. It's it's strange. It seems to me strange. Here's a twenty two year old dolphin freak on his kind of self styled pornographic entrepreneur doesn't seem more never his toy no and yet by the end of it. He's completely inter likes. There is some sort of dolphin possession of him going on. She's obviously gone interest in him in the sense that she doesn't want him to transform finland wanting to turn it into cinema. Or whatever so you you wonder whether she is using sex. Yeah maybe but whatever whatever whatever it is the hypnotic audio whatever it is too. She seems to be exercising. Well i don't know if it if it just spoils the rest of the discussion. But i guess we will have to go in for the in for the kill here at the at the end. 'cause it seemed like the right time when they are in the apartment at the end a nice bit of nice bit of budgetary savings there by giving the apartment over to today so we don't have to have a different set what we have had several in so i mean come on gas. Is the last couple of sei's thing manage to do pretty much everything in more one or two sets. She comes onto him. Make love me and where would that have gone. Would things have gone differently. If jimmy hadn't shown up with his to a young young women question and and interrupted the mood because she was into it and then after that happened she she wasn't into it but she went ahead with it until she started. Fantasizing about buddy boy did the. Did the reality of who. Dave was an who dave associates with interfere there with the what she was trying to get out of that or and so now disillusioned she once again turned from human to dolphin in her mind and so therefore set up her eventual suicide as well or was it always her thinking about the dolphin and she was just getting the action going. So she could fantasize about having sex with a dolphin. I cannot believe. I just said that sentence. I don't know i don't know make sense. I don't know if it is on. But i think it is on so that she that she is. She is using him the point at which the point at which his interest in her develops entirely from where they talk about what he's going to do with any land in the possibility that he might turn. It mean her discovery that he is interested in turning it into a cinema. That's not is the point at which he then cases on then there is this. There is this progression through. He makes the deal and so she knows that's where he's going and then the final seems we are seeing a seduction. So i don't know. I don't know if you i don't know if you'll reading of that. Interaction is quite correct. She comes onto him. It's album by the time. he's jimmy and comeback. She's taken her time tojo so i think she's still. She's still on the same trajectory already. Turn that none shirt. He lost her tank up for. They can't he's she's wearing it when when she says whatever is make love to me and then and then i thought they started undressing at that point. And then jimmy burstein but okay. I'll unlike you. I probably will not go revisit. This one for to try to make a deeper dive dive. Dolphinarium much diving in it's and it's only worser was in the bath tub. That deep of deepa. Well yeah. that's another thing. That's kinda kills or or a mammal and level. I the other thing that confuses that whole final sequence is. She's she's into it. She gets she gets really into it and of course he doesn't know what she's thinking we do because of the super imposition of her of her fantasy but When they're done he does. I if if there was any evidence that he cared for her i feel like he loses that in the moments afterwards where he's like. Wow we need to get you on film like Okay and that's the point where she gets up and she's she leaves. She didn't look exactly. I don't know is that. What put her off realizing. That still doesn't care for her. He doesn't dependent depends on. What you buddy boy gears for me. Put it off in one sense. She certainly didn't seem thrilled with the idea. Meantime was she was kind of. They were cuddly and kind of cuddly and not she wasn't like depressed or anything and then he's like. I should put you important films. And she goes and then she goes to. The bathroom kills herself and he does ask her. She's walking away. It's pro you draw that and she's she's she's very into him afterwards. Yes but still my theory of using by using him and he. I would go so far as to say. He betrays her there. At that moment he betrays what she thinks he thinks of her. Because i can understand she. She is mousy and so. I suspect that you know in the world of television stereotypes. She has spent her life feeling inferior to the hot girls. And so you know jimmy barrels. In with a couple of nice ones. I can see how she would feel threatened. I can see how she would feel bothered by the notion of what they are and why they're there and what kind of person we think dave might be to to. Even jimmy thinking this would would fly. And dave froze them out in what i think is a typical behavior for him. I don't know for sure. But he certainly is more into her into lucy and what was going to happen then he was with us to women so i could see how she might take that as. Wow he just threw over to hadi's for me he must really love me. 'cause she seems that kind and as written and and then as soon as he's done with it i'm gonna turn you into one of them so it's it's I don't know and that's why they find it harder to read there is there is definitely a sense in which because i'm not sure that she is comparing himself to anyway. She is younger than he is. I think the the fact that she has this kind of teenage and session with these mammals in in a quiet horsey way the fact that she i mean when he when he comes back after throwing jimmy. He's literally sucking her thumb. As long as i can see. There is something quite childlike. Yeah she's definitely was under. No i really don't know. I do not know what to make of this. I did not enjoy it. But i did not know what to make of it I wanted to take a bath after watching this. But then i didn't because i'd be afraid i'd be raped by a ghost dolphin or you might. You might be inspired by dolphins yourself. I'm what went on the end. I think you'll theory that you could watch. You can also sequence on. its support. What you've suggested in she she almost seems to be transferring her affection from buddy boy and he's light. It is likely kind of rite passage. She's growing up. She's throwing off some kind of teenage with the substitutes. And she's she's found a man with through she's now getting grownup relationship and then he takes us bay. And then as you say. He betrays her and so she she finds himself who to begin and end. Knowing that mike theater is going to be destroyed or the dolphinarium is going to be destroyed on. Sushi cares about. Don't care about it because it is where the spirit of money boy and i call health. I cannot help thinking. I'm sure it must be a deliberate connection. Speech that gives about the dolphins killing themselves once once they will go can killing themselves home when the dying pining away whatever it is not fair enough connection between that and what she does at the end given the i spent yes and thinking is actually somehow spiritually. Don't fin okay. I'll go along with that that that that parallel has to be there. I suspect that there's also a parallel. Between the fact that buddy boy was alpha male and so two was dave. Yes in this story. So there's that. I think i think the the parallel i was thinking we got we got sidetracked about the sex theater and the dolphinarium. It's not just that. They're both a exploiting for entertaining audiences. It's about the fact that the dolphins are basically disconnected from their nature and right. It's not exactly sure how. How it links. But i feel like it's there their sex in connection and there's a skew watch between now you're watching sex as expected than sex as well. Yeah i was actually was not rates. What you're doing is your is your taking something from. It's not from context in order to provide a spectacle so it in that in that respect again i just this feels so much like needless was trying to say something and i'm just not sure that it is hitting home was not hitting home because i'm not sure what it is i. He's against porn and dolphinarium hs. I think maybe we can draw that. I think that. That's that's definitely true. I i'm i'm fascinated at know comically amused at the ambition of the production team to try to convince me that that little thing was big enough for dolphinarium not too long ago here in arizona. They opened a dolphinarium. Because you know everybody knows the middle of the freaking. Desert's a perfect place to bring Dolphins you know and they started to die so and then it got closed down a huge huge in comparison to that. I mean that that fish tank was not. That wasn't as big as my swimming. Pool is maybe deeper but it was the fact that they tried to pass off as being something that you could fit three dolphins and and and do a show is either comically over ambitious in what they had the budget and space for or really really beyond beyond cruelty there. And i'm not sure which they were going for. But i want him the seventy s. What the standards would have been for not or indeed a practical few how small you could make the dalton stuff but i'm sure that would be a budgetary consideration. I did wonder whether the line about the chairs having been to save you bob one actually kicking it out. You don't think they have that in the atv prop department. But i think if they'd had shares in there you would have realised that it was too small to have chairs who could be. I mean i must say. I thought it looked very by like i liked what they've done to make up here tumble down. It was that it was to be fair. So i i don't i don't know i don't know what one thing that i i read. I will say. And i don't know if it's true and if it is it it answers a question or it fills in a piece about the previous two episodes that we saw that i had not noticed. This is the first and only episode of beasts with musical score interesting. there definitely was one. Yes i noted it. I know that the composer didn't go so far as to check. I did wonder whether he composed on the other. Now checking fact maybe revealed where no other schools they thinking back now. I can't remember a score on the others and be i can see how that would have emphasized the staging of them crew gore. But i mean this was. This was quite theatrical but it was it was starting to take more advantage of the way it was the the nature of it being a television thing. So we have. We had fast cutting between scenes. We have multiple sets. Well three least goodness. We had some external shots. Yeah yeah phil exterior locations. Wow i i was bemused. Let's use bemused when dave is wondering around in amazement. Inside at all of the amazing gadgets. He has a tv with a remote control lights that dim this was the seventy s. I know i know but it's still funny when you see my medal. I remember those things being novelty and this was made. Well i i certainly have had. Tv's in my life. That did not have remote controls but it is. It is hard to envision him being well No i guess what it does. Is it emphasizes that he despite the fact that he says he's classy is not be he. He's he's lower class moving beyond his moving beyond his station or with aspirations to move beyond his his station. So we didn't answer the question. Was the ghost ever real sure that it ever was. I didn't think it was by the end of it i did. I did not think it was. But i mean it could have been. I put it this way in it. That would require you to read it. As goes was actually real. I think it's kind of interesting that he had to murder his dolphin. Let let's say accidentally but but murdered in the less and in such a way that he would be able to collect on the insurance money. But i didn't think that's resolved. They think i don't think we know. Exactly what did happen there. And what level of culpability. He had no no. It isn't but i think. I think we get enough evidence there that he definitely feels yes or yes or he yes he feels. He threw for somebody who did he. He is being punished. Slash haunted by sped. It's dolphin that died as a result of or consequently to those those actions. Yeah which which. I mean we know at least were cruel and but we don't. We don't know we don't know a lot more which is which is kind of fine because the story does like say going in direction you tell it to. You didn't expect that i. It seemed like that was the story. What was it that dumb and in what way woods the ghost of buddy boy wreak his terrible revenge on how would how would help it meet his well deserved end. That wouldn't agree. You expecting something more along the lines of what happened to the store manager in the first one something much ghostly station in well have you got anything else on this one. It was different different. I'm i'm i'm very much. I'm suddenly suddenly interested in this series now as it was it was it was. It was craftsmanlike stuff but not necessarily up to the standard of expect from nigel kneale. But this was different. Anything quite like it. I have never seen anything like it goes afford to say that that that was that was and to be fair. I probably would go out of my way to avoid seeing anything like it. If i if i had had a clue as to what it was it and that you know. That's a personal bias. I mean there are shows like breaking bad i. You couldn't get me to watch that in a million years. Because i just i never breaking bad. No no i wouldn't say that but in other words it's about a character who is by my definitions scum of the earth. Whatever's motivations and i i don't i don't do and i don't care especially if they are going to solidly get their come up. It's a little bit different than a short program like this where there's a beginning a middle and the end but i don't Yeah i don't. I don't think any justice was served in this episode. No go for it. But and so i just spent. I spent the better part of our in the in the company of unpleasant people which do let's go to a party or something. I think i think lucy is cartoon who is the one who who dies in the end. I mean it's it's strange but it's Do you have anything else. Believe i do so. I hope the next one also is different. I'll go with that one simon. Thank you for joining me. It's a pleasure as always and listeners. I hope you'll join us again. next time. On fusion patrol you've been listening to fusion patrol. The listener supported podcast. 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Do you always have to keep a secret?

Short and Curly

23:57 min | 9 months ago

Do you always have to keep a secret?

"This is ABC podcast. We apologize in advance for how very very bad. European accents. Hope you can forgive US civil play. Short and curly presents a very sacred murder, a tale of intrigue and ethics. We start our story in nineteen thirty six in the French countryside. There is a storm raging. As we made a retired French detective named Mathew while row. MONTHS UEBERROTH is traveling in his horse and carriage through the heavy rain. It is almost midnight when he spots a quaint little motel. He pox, his carriage and runs for cover. The kind and friendly motel ONA stands at reception. He's name is Frederick helping. shrillness year rhythm to my Quainton Lhamo Kale Mr Hubbard was about to finish for the night. He'd been looking forward to a light supper of ex before a good night's sleep. The hotel is almost empty. There only two other guests loom fall one civil. But, of course, you must be exhausted after your driven. Detective material borrow goes to a small room and lays down exhausted. Just as falling asleep, he hears a terrible sound. What the kindly Motel Ona Frederick Hubbard. Has a matter. He has been murdered soccer. Yeah. Detective Mat- you'll knows he must find out who committed this heinous crime. He jumps out of bed his mind racing the murderer must be one of the two guests at the motel. Either it was the English counties Molly Daniels I would never do something. So horrible I am accountants all. It could have been Dr Cholimex Myth, a famous Parisian proctology. How dare you accuse me? I am a speculated doctor. Onwards with this mystery. I have a secret that would prove my innocence, but it is not my secret to share I promised I wouldn't tell anyone if you don't tell us this secret counters the new still a suspect I cannot tell you the secrets then good luck proving I had anything to do with this whole today on Scheldt and girly. When should you keep a secret? Today you're listening. You're listening to short unkind curly. Nelly. Jordan. girly. In the doling womb to begin my investigation. But Monsieur Matthew I thought you are retired. I am back for one last case. So tell me molly. You supposedly have these big secret that would a blue your innocence from these mail. That is correct. Yes. You who who cares about secrets when you could go to jail I made a promise not to tell anyone do I regret that promised. Now given I'm a suspect in a murder case here maybe a bit but here we are secrets by nature are often a little distressing why I was just doing my correspondence you know countess things and I was talking to my idea for India who's ten let me Russell up the letter. Here we go. I listened to shorten curly every day. Thank you meal. My friends are terrible at keeping secrets, and that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable around them. In case. I let something slip. So I would like to know how can you know who to trust to keep your secrets? fascinating question home from Mea it's certainly is well. You obviously can trust me look how tight lipped. I'm remaining in this very serious case of murder. Actually something I have wounded about alert? I now. Invite you to join me in our first sinking question. Remember you can pause the show to have a thing or talk with people around you and come back when you're ready and. Is Out question have you ever been asked to keep a secret that made you feel uncomfortable It. Caused now. Ask. My retirement means my brain is not as sharp as it once was I think I might need some help perhaps form a blane's test of some kind. He'll zig level singles from lanston Cresent Primary School in Tasmania? HAD TO CAPE A lot of sacred sites like the lot of the time I just want to tell other people and. Sometimes. I. Have. But most of them don't make me feel uncomfortable because this kind of age level nothing really to personal about anyone they haven't really been like Oh this is life threatening. If you go to mosquito bite, you just want to each site that. Like in urge to tell people. But then you just can't. Usually, I just WANNA, keep their if they want if they don't tell anyone. All respect. Respect their offer but if they don't I will tend to maybe dislike. Like, like you've installed people about not destroy away just tell them. I good friends told me a secret and. There's always people coming up to you and say, they're asking what's happening and it does make you feel quite uncomfortable and. You kind of panic and then you Kinda WanNa tell them but it's economy. Really. Well if depends on like what kind of serious it is it was like personal on about like. Something about their wellbeing you should probably tell the parrot if it could make them feel better. Very interesting. Can we go. Now it is late and I am keen to sleep and the before that I need to go to Z. Bathroom I ate a lot of escargot at dinner and my stomach is not happy. No one is leaving throwing room until I have served this maddow. But I guess I can hold it can I that is the. This is not the mystery at old, but it would really speed things up if counters molly would use tell El secret. I'm sorry. But I believe that when someone tells you a secret, you have a responsibility to keep it even if it makes you feel a bit unsettled and it's not just with big things like a mysterious murder in a motel. There have been times. No. My sister has asked me to keep a secret from my mother or one of my friends has asked me to keep a secret from another and I always do and. and to me, I, remember it so. I was just a little school boy. Every day I would walk through is find jobs to my school. When I arrived I would see my castle talking in secret language they with past notes to Glen they never. They never told me Z. Code. They said it was only four. Queued keeps. Fit So left I cried for days. Lust and alone I vowed that I would never keep secrets again. If, you tell me a secret I will not keep it. I will tell everyone immediately what really? Yes and I will prove it tell me a secret right now. Okay Okay. US. Well Molitor is. She loves waffles but actually, she doesn't really get what all the fuss is about and only says it to fifteen. Call. Now Matthew you'll is judging me but I did not want anyone else's secrets. The only person I'll keep a secret for is little old more. Enough of this. Time for me to ask our do suspects some questions. Failed. Let us examine you cone Diss Molly Danielle's there is nothing more to say I. AM sworn to Silence but Zach lease you see I think you need to think more carefully about Zanetti a- of secrets do tell detective. Paul. We often think about secrets as an all or nothing assault of. Easier there is something totally secret from everyone oh isn't secret at. But clearly, most secrets are more specific. About who you should keep this secret firm for how long and things like these. Perhaps this is a secret I'm sworn to keep from everyone will perhaps you were wrong to promise this at old? Sometimes people say things like I am going to tell you something but fell st I promise not to tell anyone. We should never make promises like these because it puts us in a tricky position. If we get told something that shouldn't be secret we either have to zero long seeing by breaking up homeless bowl doozy hung thing by keeping a secret that should not be. My good man. It is never wrong to keep secrets. That's where you're wrong countess ease good to trust to as loyal and keep our promises but they hunt only good things in life. We need to balance them. Other stuff's at Matins. Sometimes people deserve. For example, a detective who is trying to serve a male doubt. If your secret can reveal Akita and blink that Bilton duties. You have a duty. Dan. Is why I never keep secrets at all no secrets no problems this a big problem with not keeping secrets. It makes me sink you an untrustworthy fellow. But why I have done nothing keeping secrets is an important way to build people trust and trust is Z. Glue of relationships. It sticks people together. because. You always blah blah blah blah secrets. It would make me feel you don't care about other people which is used to our a killer who would feel merger layer an account test I am a famous proctology. I think we need to hear from Weinstein I, do know what they sink of people who do not keep their secrets. If people repetitively dark say. Then, he can learn not to trust them and the people who capial's secrets trust them. If you have a really good friend, you can tell everything to you can just tell them and just like not be afraid that they're just gonNa tell everyone in your class. In greater in the school. If it's a secret that you don't want to be told to anyone, you could maybe just not tell the person you trust even because I could still spill. Arvid time you will find out who's trustworthy and WHO's not nor just small things like other secrets they. Just gave hints to people about it all. By say behind your back or something. We'll I thought if you tell them like smoke secrets that don't really matter and they don't tell the like I think you can trust them. Also. If, they tell you of the People Secret Meitner. They're just spilling other people's secrets to me. I shouldn't trust them to told Myron takers to. I. Remember telling one of my friends the sacred and I was like don't tell anyone and then lighted that day i. see them telling someone the secret and it just it's really annoying. It is really really annoying. I don't know if handled it correctly but our friendships notice creators it was after really thinks. A. Najera. Lahya. Account I am a famous proctology East and you know what? I am sick of this. I am leaving I need to go to the bathroom not yet I must fails inspect school with my magnifying glass. I will not rest until I have seen every nook and cranny in extreme detail. Get off, you do not need to check my ears ductile. You have enough wax, Your Ears Jamaica Candle disgusting. Who Visit Noise soon answers you know I will answer the phone low. Rocked. Stock blurred. You really not believe the news a have just received UNZIP telephone. What is it active Maciel? Who've just skavinski because of Mr Builds Milk E was stabbed to death one million times. Stabbed a million times. What is show? Please call. You knew he was stabbed already because you were the one who did the stabbing kill to shell I'll you know these molly? No, no no. Still sworn to secrecy. Tire. Detective I think there is one person you have forgotten who is a suspect? In this case Miss Your Hubbard may have killed himself. You Food Oh could Mr Ober stabbed himself one million times it could not. It is impossible. Monsieur, you may be retired, but you miss nothing not as single theory and I have another Sealy and this brings us back. Do you count molly? Me who we see cuts can be powerful and sometimes that can make them dangerous. They can be used to stop people from shackling impotent inflammation. Sometimes, we might knew about some things that is unsafe. It'd be asked to keep it a secret, but we should not keep unsafe seeings secret. If someone asks us to keep a secret that makes us feel uncomfortable. We should talk about it with someone with cost. You can talk about ethics. All you want detective is still will not tell you my secret. Now. I need some time to think and maybe you who listening would like to think too with our next thinking question if someone feels left out because they don't know a secret that other people do should you tell them to make them feel included or is it okay to keep them in the dark? Hit Pause now. I am. Detective. Looking out the window living bluebells come. By. Trying to decide which of these two suspects sitting before. killed a man with a million stabs in of. Home. It's just came back from the DNA lab. Wait what I did not know you had sent anything to a lab I. Didn't even know. DNA. Was a thing yet. I thought this was like nine hundred twenty s or something they started using DNA to solve crimes in the one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty s it's obviously the twenty first century. Why would it be the twenties? We're making a podcast. This episode just had the very nineteen twenties feel to it. If I had known, they could find my DNA on the murder weapon. I really would have won disposable plastic gloves Sh- issue to I know who did. Say. Kale's DNA was all over the knife. He is clearly the one who did the stabbing melting. Smith, you are under arrest for Mayor Dell call has been brought to justice and I didn't tell my secret everything has worked out for me the Countess. Marie fine I give you permission to tell my secret now wit this secret molly was keeping was. Yes it was that called did the murder. Yes. He took me aside in the dining room as I was finishing my figgy pudding. I. Remember it so well. As money if I tell you a secret with, you promise not to tell a soul of Coast Guard I am a very trustworthy person. I just stabbed your Hubbert a million times today what I really wish I hadn't promised to keep that seat. Hard too late now. Me Is that would have been really helpful to know. Yes Berta promise is a promise. I knew I could cost you. Hugs. Hugs. Wait your murderer I'm not hugging you. Sinks for solving. May so good meadow in speak to Mitt to anytime monsieur. Hubbard wait. Alive he's Acoustic. Count paid me to pretend to be dead. Why says that I could test your secret keeping ability is molly needed to know that I could trust you toy main tight lipped even in the most terrible of circumstances such as. I'm my and you prove to me that you can do excellent and I think we have learned some very important lessons today about when and when not to keep secrets and I suppose it a very good thing that no-one dead. Yes is. It looks like another case closed for detective that you'll borough. Our hero can finally go back into retirement and enjoy doing. French. Stuff like eating cheese and drinking wine and reading philosophy. I am Elena. Hope you have enjoyed our short and curly production of a very secret murder. Good night. Thank. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The most sincere things. Today's bovines trust from lansdowne cousin primarily. West Hobart Tasmania Surfing. Lease. Zach Obi Jack. Meyer and Indie thank you very much and thank you to our listener mia for hiding to us with your ethical dilemma about Secrets Missy Mia. And today's episode was recorded by Bella Trobbiani. And of course, thank you to Kylie's love. You said and Justin Kili are. Producer plus the head of Odious Studios Kelly reardon. If you love the show, tell your friends about short and curly and do some correspondence leave us a review or right as an email. Now, time to quit Dia, do my basic loom and high tire from being detective I think I will spend all this extra time listening to old episodes of shocked and curly like our other Milton. When my fish mysteriously died you can hear one of my other fantastic accents in that one where I am a blob fish. Things my cold blooded fishy brethren just go to a website where you can hear that episode and so many others. Molly knows that it is just the two of us. I can finally tell you may secret since you have proven, you will never tell it to any. Thank you call my secret is In? Close. I failed. Kindergarten because I could not color inside the lines. It is my biggest shame M. I., goodness. You must never tell a soul. Okay. I mean I. Don't what why is he hesitated? Call the microphones still on everyone listening just heard your secret. What have I done a really am incompetent at keeping secrets. This has been an ABC podcast. Check out the ABC kids listen up. It's full of educational an entertaining order programs.

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Part1:Bill Gallo

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36:55 min | 5 months ago

Part1:Bill Gallo

"His law wanted to make sure to include include that story. Bill gallo joining us here. Next and We'll go from there. I don't want to launch into too much more Before before bill joins us i will reiterate and i'm sure we'll get crazy Probably tomorrow tomorrow at this hour wednesday to friday reminder. Tc a thoroughbred charities thirty-first stallion season auction and it is a comprehensive list of obviously the you know the kentucky lineup but arizona by the way Opening day at surfers paradise yesterday arizona. California florida indiana. Virtually every new york just in philip in new mexico louisiana maryland ohio oklahoma pennsylvania texas west virginia so all the regional breeding programs that represented in the stallion. Season auction. Starts tomorrow nine. Am and goes to friday four thirty. And it's the it's the major fundraisers we said with aaron late last year There's also if you go to the website there's also the memorabilia if you're not if you're not a in the market for stallion season. Tci dot org. Okay and right on the front page ya thirty first annual stallion season and online and then There's the silent auction goes a little bit longer. Silent auction goes from wednesday. Till next tuesday for and there's all kinds of halters there's certain goods and services and so forth bill gallo standing by and of course yesterday. The news circulated we just started the show and one of the news and notes. That i had from the two weeks away was the race limerick baltimore bucko the shepherd string and ireland and that's where the horses under jonathan's name will compete going forward his fifty plus year career in north america Coming to a close bell gallo. Good morning happy new year. Happy new year to use the good to talk to you bell. They this there'd been some rumors and rumblings about this and in a jonathan career is i. it's difficult to quantify. I mean the champions and the success of on the flat and over the jumps. Yeah it's It's a remarkable career. You know. I've known him for a long time. Since nineteen seventy seven forty some odd years I watched his this career just skyrocketing to such a dominant place and he literally will rule the roost for years and years and until the last decade. Or so you know jack fischer kind of leapfrogged from there But pretty remarkable that you know. Jonathan came back and won that title last year. Even though those an abbreviated year but was great for him great for stable. He didn't have a presence throughout the year He left everything in the hands of his assistant. Carry on But he had He was on the phone every day. Training on the phone from florida But just remarkable career. It's almost inexplicable. Mind boggling But you know jack fischer got a big mountain. Climb not not that he couldn't achieve which did but it's It's going to be a. It'll take them a while. That's for sure but a wonderful train or wonderful guy. Very bright guy incredible. What at his craft incredibly important to not only the national steeplechase association but just people chasing in general what he did rossi kind of really. He's the most recognizable name recognizable figuring our game certainly throughout my career The last year but Great man I'm sure you'll get some great tributes about him today but with a variety of people either have on. But i'm just pleased to know. I learned a lot from him Work he was actually the president of an essay. Pull off for three years period and towards the latter part of his career and So i work closely their work with him as a pretty good working relationship over the years. was wasn't always the friendliest as as a handicapper He had obviously the best sources. And some of those horses got pretty high up ladder. You know reached incredible levels in the handicapped division. So there were times we got kind of a contentious relationship about handicapped weights and things like that but it was it was. It was a great run for him. I believe he's just ready. Eighty years old. He never seen very old to make just was always sharp. Credibly mentally sharp and Is one of the things. I always sticks out. In my mind. He was he was everywhere he just showed up at the most remote places and he was. It was an extraordinary commitment that he had to not only his own stable put to the scored itself. He really loves to support. The smaller race meets some of the smaller race meets on our circuit You know he could. He could fill a card literally consent. Six or seven or eight horses down to a small place in tryon north carolina and Back in the days. Sweep the card as well but still His presence and his name is extremely meaning meaningful to the national steeplechase association. How how valuable Kind of a two part question. How valuable is. It was it to have shepherd who you know for an extended period was able to straddle the flat portion of you know with the steeplechase Voices and campaigning And had there really been anybody previously that that was simultaneously. Tom voss to an extent. But i mean how. Many historically how many crossover horsemen had this level of success. No no one prior to shepherd not that kind of success train. Creators cup champions each eclipse champions on the flat. But it's a very important part. Because that's what we you and i had this discussion many times. But you know. There's a common misconception that the steeplechase horses not even a thoroughbred some people within the industry. Don't even realize that our horses thoroughbreds that jump fences and Shepherd clearly Bridge that gap and he proved that you know a a trainer can can accomplish great things both on the plot and augur jumps and even though he started out in the jump game he segue to crossan and kept going back and forth. So you know. The the level of expertise in an level of achievement is is unbelievable when you think of it. That way. Tom watson's the only other name i can think of kind of crossed over a little bit and and did both successfully. But you just said it. They think they were doing it at the same time. But you know. His career was wonderful but Pales in comparison shopper in his. It's funny until i read Don clippers peace. Didn't i really didn't know his his origin story in terms of coming over and why it was that that his career couldn't start in in the uk. Ironically his father was a handicapper and It was a conflict of interest in that Prohibited him from taking out a license. And that's that's why. I came over then mid sixties That's a you know an interesting an interesting development because it basically put them in a whole different direction. he's i think he was in finance it. I mean well. Katie went to eat eaten. I believe Very well educated man and had aspirations of of the business world but that didn't suit him he had a love appreciation of the horse. And and one thing led to another but it was his father's position in england that Forced him to come to america to launch a career and training. You worked for berlin cox. Work for roy cox cox trained a lot of people like billy turner and people like that and so but he did work for. Burleigh learned a lot from burley. Obviously you know went on out on his own a relatively young age. I mean fifty some odd years. Incredible it really is I can't think of anybody in any other sport that you can sort of measure up to his his consecutive streak of winning races. You've talked about it many times on the show winning sure consecutively in saratoga. For that period of time. I think it was forty. Some odd forty seven years or something seven forty seven years would win it with a win in saratoga. I mean that's no one will ever do that again. Now so there's a lot of things done that you know people will just will not be able to get done but I think the streak in saratoga is is is one of the most remarkable streaks and Anything including baseball joe. Dimaggio the individual horses. We've we've certainly talked about horses like flatter and you know the any number of the the jump champions. I mentioned you know the conversations that we had during the run of forever together. An informed decision But there's other aspects to the the little sidebar about storm cat and and when storm cat died jonathan. You know very big show. That storm cat passed away and His his involvement not just training storm cat but then and this is in a clip injures piece to the fact that That his wife urged mr young to you know to keep him at overbrook and and because they were ready to try to sell them syndicate them somewhere and it ended up being a a a fateful decision and a very important decision absolutely. Yeah no. I remember vividly. The storm kept. I mean he trained him a two year old It was The right i read that yesterday clip interest piece about kathy shepherd. Encourage you mr young. Keep them there and Obviously his career was remarkable to say the least that short shepherd had had a share in the horse. So you know it's it certainly A few bill. That's for sure over the years. Now the you know the number of the names you know for those Virtually anybody i. I suppose has whatever era you were introduced to the game There there's a. There's a shepherd horse for you. You know going back like you said to the seventies and Then you look at look at some some of the names the some you forget about the nine pins and mixed up been had he had a bunch of great horses. Story just came to my mind. I got a call one day. This is back in right around. Nineteen ninety ninety seven or early nineties. But i got. I got a call from mr hubbard ordeal hubbard. Come forward and really know mr hubbard. I knew of them. Obviously but i got this impromptu. Call for mr hubbard. And he said he was in queens. He said this is steeplechase office. Yeah and he said He says i got a horse. I gotta turf force and I you know somebody told me. I said jump them. I don't know anything about this. People shake thing so can you If i was to go to a trainer in what is it. you know. There's only one name. I know he said this guy shepherd and this is a sexist. This conversation actually happened. I was. I was sitting in my office in maryland where i'm sitting right now back and you've you've you've touched upon the the key name there but if you turk force wants to go along and you're inches people chasing jonathan chase. Can you give me that. Guy's number and i did in the horse was laying. Bread called. michiko was a multiple stakes winners over jumps. A very nice horse. We run out of flag conditions. And sure enough. Obviously he he called sheppard and sheppard got horse and turn them into a stakes worse. But you know once again a small world straight of how how powerful the guy's name was and what a presence he hadn't a game is the only person that mr hubbard even knew people chasing but I always remember that stereotype. I hadn't thought of that surgery longtime until we just want this conversation. A great story i i. Also i'm sure these conversations we'll see what graham graham was around for her flatter and i'm anxious to hear from you know the training side and the kinds of things that That graham picked up from the from the you think about when you look at any of the horses And some of the writers that are tied to and you know some of the most successful opportunities that they had in their careers. And i think daniel hodson certainly and Sure if you went through. Can i'm sure if you went through the the litany and you'd pick out you know certain eras and jump. Jocks have windows of opportunity in until they either until they either get either too big or or they fall one too many times and say that's enough You know Life miller right play blyth miller road. Plenty maria absolutely form lights or thought road lonesome groves stamos. But yeah she definitely wrote for shepherd. Van johansen you're right. I mean there were several jockeys that came through stable john. Cushman was champion jerry. Fischbach of course road for them So you know he. He was good with the jockeys. He was You know he trained trainers ended. Elliot all janet. Janet elliott came up in the shepherd. Sable of course. Grandma's motion make sure yes grand motion about lateran weight. He carries because some of the contentious times. We're scared one hundred and seventy six pounds in one hundred seventy six pounds. I think i put the weights. And that was back in the mid eighty. I mean he was a four time eclipse champion for years in a row. I can't remember what year that was probably year three. Or maybe even four but carry one hundred seventy six pounds and won the race and then was entered back in a couple of weeks later. And dumping another andy capp and we've bumped into seventy eight. He didn't run with the seventy aged shepherd under scratching them but it was Oh god. I was horrified watching the race. When he won carrying high in seventy six suspect wrote them and when he hit it was a place go radnor pennsylvania and when he hit the wire fish back not too many strides past the wire. Pittsburgh jumped off the horse literally Which was he pulled him up immediately jumped him jumped off and gets to get the weight off. Which i thought was pretty interesting. But anyway yeah now sheppard He he had some great great jumpers battery. Of course the whole thing cafe princeton hall of fame. Those are i. Think those two jumpers and the whole thing and then but You just you go on and on could you could write Into wrote a long piece about him you could write a book about him for sure. And as i'm looking at this at these other You know jump winners. Here's one that if we reached out to rosemary home-ice meister junior She would she would certainly appreciate. She ended up on cloudy tonight. When jonathan got him from frank kirby and you had that that really good year and a half or so Including those winds at I can't remember if he won two in a row at kentucky downs but he had a really nice sequence of mile and a half turf. tries that That rosemary was was tied on and it was very cool. Success story that the kind of came out of left field. Yeah yeah he was. A shepherd gave a lot of people in opportunities. You know much. Like allen jerkins a champion for the little guy always wanted to help the either the young rider league yesterday i read. He said it's we liked about the national steeplechasers. Were really sport. It's much more of a sport than than flat racing. But which was a. I think that's his interpretation. Because he got he he he likes the social part of it Not was a real social kind of guy but he You know the steeplechase communities that tight knit community and you go to the races in. It's it's more relaxed to racetrack things like that. So i i think that appeals to him over the years for sure and that says why he was it was he was everywhere he just showed up in the most remote place he he showed up and he drove deep he drove. I don't know how many thousands of miles he drove but he drove everywhere. A lot of miles on cars probably broke a lot of cars down but anyway What what a train. And it's you know this is a celebration. It's a happy thing because You know he certainly deserves a. I love the fact that they won championship last year. And it can goes out. Goes out on such a high note. As i think about what he's done with carrie who's gonna probably launch her own training career now But certainly i think she worked for him. I think she's worked about a decade ten years or so and she's she did a remarkable job in his in his physical absence last year. Well i i the the career And you talk about the dedication and how driven obviously He was i mean and the warm warm and cuddly. he's not and he wasn't ever and from that standpoint You know he he was. You don't amass a career like this without you know without You know some. I would i. I think it's fair to say Bill that you know it comes in in some cases at at at the cost of of some personal. The personal life expense. I mean he he was really driven. I i there's you can't do you think about people like lucas and van burg. Don't have this kind of success without being consumed by you know by the work. Yeah no i agree. It was absolutely driven in But he was also may not you know he's he's he's still around. He warm and cuddly. Yeah i wouldn't describe him. Would say was always very approachable. You'd have any turf writers. Anybody liked very very approachable. If you had a question for you could walk right into his tack room and you may not get the the warm and friendly fuzzy look might get grimace buddy. He was always always very approachable. I one of the things i learned from him. You know thinking about that. Myself i was. I always wanted to be very prepared when i was talking to. Jonathan sheppard Because i knew how stupid he was. And i i i always made it a point professionally to be as prepared as i possibly could when i spoke with them But you'd be amazed how. I would watch him even at the barn at saratoga I would watch when members of the press would come by and Whether it was a positive store negative story. He was always always very approachable. And he was extremely or he is extremely articulate. he's wonderful public speaker is He just he puts his words together. Beautifully and thoughtfully. He's very thoughtful type of I when he's speaking to the press or more just to anybody really like the warm fuzzy. No uh we'll talk We'll hear from graham motion mid morning as well. and graham the most high profile horsemen to come out of the tutelage of jonathan sheppard And there'll be more and we'll hear from jonathan. I i i kind of wanted to have Some some observations From from others Before we we get a career retrospective From john and and as he as he is quoted In a couple of places you know he's not gonna completely Like jones yesterday keep keep keep is available to to do some cameos and some some race calling maybe by appointment so people in this. It's pretty tough to just walk away from this from this game. Nobody really completely walks away. the while we've got bill gallo bill we it was such a A torturous the year for the chase community and the racetrax were able to get going and have some momentum I it it was much more difficult process for the chase community You know talk about the now that the dust is settled. Talk a little bit about you know last year and what the you know the first half of this year Looks to to do to know kinda get going into the feels like you're going to have to tread water a little bit longer. Well very well described. It's last is pretty bleak. We lost seventy percent of our season really comes. Thank god for ira. Thank god for martin fans because We we we did have nine races up in saratoga which was critically important to us because you gave some sense of hope and But we lost a pretty much our entire sprang we salvage two of the meats middleburg races in virginia goal couple running and actually in june which is major shifts and then we salvaged six of about half of the meets To to a certain degree we had a trim purses like like everybody else but anyway long story short we we. We suffered their early last year. But there is some hope and there's a lot of hope. Actually this is a light at the end of the tunnel. But we're gonna have to. We got gotta get through this spring. Obviously and hopefully by summer things would be normal or back to normal as close to normal as possible. But we're gonna right now we've got typically we've got sixteen race meets on the spring schedule. I just got a phone call this morning. Seven o'clock that the are opening day aitken spring on march twenty. They met last night and they cannot run No they they canceled this morning which pushes our start date to april ten And some from april ten On we're going gonna see if we can put together a schedule. I think we can mitt not obviously not sixteen race meets but if we can get a dozen or fourteen of those to go that would be wonderful The carolina cup Typically in the second week of the season and they made an early decision about a month ago to move later on our calendar. And they're gonna run. Saturday may twenty nine. Which would close out I'm i'm sorry. Saturday may twenty second. Which would be the second last weekend string. So that was a strategic. Move on their part So aching his out camden his move. And we're gonna start. Our season fences try on north carolina on april ten. So that's what we're hopeful for its And then if we can get to the summer and you know i know colonial planning on running you know they. They have made a commitment to us for a couple of races each week. And it's a seven week stint. So we're we certainly would look forward to that and and Hopefully narrow have a stack for our typical nine race program toga. We normally run a couple of stakes races at belmont in the fall so we we can get back normal that way. I feel really confident that we can turn it over in the in the fall in with the pandemic totally behind us in the vaccine distributed and people feeling healthy and anxious to get outside again We hopefully run our full slate in the fall which is of course highlighted by the fargo races and that Third week in october. Which is our championship day but It's it's gonna take a while You know in reality of you. No one will be back to normal Twenty twenty two probably but I think we're going to have a decent season and i think our spirit of horsemen is incredible. If you think what. They went through last year and our race meet directors those that did run and and took a financial hit just for by running They did it for the worst minute to give them an opportunity to run. They gave him an opportunity to keep their helping employed. And things like that so it was. It's been difficult but it was particularly difficult for us because we're so dependent on attendance and sponsorship and those without having people on the grounds. Obviously you have no attendance in there for your sponsorship opportunities to wendell so very challenging but where we're not gonna quit and steeplechasing isn't going anywhere. The national steeplechase sociation isn't going. We've been around a long time but a beer around probably a long time. We've got very very dedicated. Horseman owners trainers writers. Well and you mentioned far hills and and of course really. I tried a couple of times to connect with guy towards the airy and all the work that had gone into planning for what what was scheduled to be the one hundredth meeting At far hills. And you know it'll it'll still be the hundred meeting but It it does feel like You know by the time we summer and certainly fall conditions will the such. Hopefully that you know that he gets to execute this. You put in so much effort with the idea of you know culminating in that that hundred meeting and i think i you know of of all not that not that every other you know meet and every other venue that had to either amend or cancel postpone etc. Know feel bad for everybody but it it really for far hills last year. it just really felt like Rug being pulled out from under it was a dagger. They had enormous plan a million dollars in purses for for one day. That's our chance it was meant to be a championship. Dane guy wanted to make it meaningful And and that was. That was a devastating blow. I will tell you at rock mate for sure But they're you know far hills once again. They've been around a long time and they've done incredible job of growing that event and making it an annual event that just the local community embraces the sponsorship the amount of money that they give to charities extraordinary so Th th they'll be back will now bill gallo with us from Nsa national steeplechase association and we gathered to appreciate the career of jonathan sheppard and One thing as we wrap up to bill the suggestion that came off Came off of twitter. Mike adams floating the idea of attaching jonathan's name to perhaps the turf writers or creating a new stake How how did that. How did that idea strike you. I think it's very appropriate. I think it's a great idea as long as martin fans it is it In favor and song as the new york turf writers are there anymore. I think they've greenwich few one of the few left but back in the day when when the race was named the new york turf writers it was. There were significant number of new york turf. Writers that number has dwindled. Perhaps a coach sharing. I think you had suggested. Which is you know might be a good way to do it. Jonathan sheppard near prefers cup. But we've got to attach jonathan shepherds name to a very significant grade one race for sure and what better place in saratoga he was. He was he was a leading trainer. Can't remember what year it was now. You remember before. I was the leading trainer at the me Obviously one more clout racist and jump races that here but still Saratoga is a special place for shepherd. It's a place where a grade one race should be named after him and the friars would be a great candidate. We'll hear more later with the grand motion Who worked and a has a direct tie and get some of the horsemanship tidbits that that are that are always had are always interesting. That one about About adding guinness stout Made me laugh to forget. Which was that was a non sweater. It was I think one of his phillies. I'm not sure grandma. I love it. So bill i appreciate it and Happy healthy to you and everybody at nsa and obviously going to be a little bit more of a watch and wait but whatever you need communicated out there please let me know. Thank you so much. God bless jonathan sheppard. Bill gallo everybody and appreciating the long you wanted to talk law and five and a half decades long career shepherd top of the hour. And we'll take a break here have swing by and we'll get a chance the kinda dig into the early part of the santa anita season and particularly of course opening salvos. Things like Malibu and and more and now of course we've got the first three year old. 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GUI214 - A QUIET PLACE 2 - JENGA UNCHAINED

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GUI214 - A QUIET PLACE 2 - JENGA UNCHAINED

"The views and opinions expressed on so the influence. Are that of the panelists and out of our sponsors amazoncom tepa. Parental discretion is advised after watching dock. And then i go to the quiet place immediately. Start to be very aware of the noises. My body makes a mock me. Would not make yeah. Anybody that's been to a convention with me think knows how loud i snore. So he's that a lot you would not survive survive now. That's the first night that's something that they never did touch on is loud diarrhea or people snoring so you put as much newspapers under the door like the towel on the door. You're trying to soundproof your bathroom as much as possible. But you had like spoiled peaches the night before because everything he. This is a personal story right. Canned goods and ships. You opened up this like no label. Can i guess. I'm eating peaches tonight. And then you're like or than one. Apparently it's gone bad so in the bathroom. And you're just like wrecking the room. And then you hear outside help. This is how i die. Just how. I planned my victory. Imagine how what you would have to do. If you were chronically. Flatulent the same thing they did with the baby box can do an adult diaper like super magin of yes and shit. I'm imagining how that is to be that kind of person. In my brain i am just had to take a plug. Just go jamming in her death. You know or someone. Who has like that hiccup disease. Where they'd like hiccup all the time. Just imagine someone that's all. They were the first to go if you had to read. So you're just like being quiet walking on the path and it was like. I mean i feel like we determined in the first like in the first ten minutes of partout all the teenagers were pretty much be taken out because they couldn't put yourself so all the people that really annoyingly talk on their cell phones of via the speaker whether walking around so everybody hears they're fucking conversations died early. That's the scene i wanted. Is that chicken seven eleven. That's the cash register talking while she's you know not pay attention to the cashier or the ten people in line. I want one of the down and everybody just backs out of the line. As she's like. Now you know blah blah and then it just comes and kills her and they'll applaud and then they get killed the first movie that i've seen like in a crowded theatre. Everything is like normal and ninety nine point nine nine percent of the crowd new the deal like they had read the title went. Okay like the instructions are in the fucking title up what they get. The first one wouldn't be here if you're not seeing the first reserve seats and we sit down and we got like really good seats. We're right in the middle world. Sounds like a hit us. The right way behind us our eighteen agers. They all got chips. Somebody definitely had nerds like no. Is that there. No not only that. They're talking to you show them. I'm sheldon to show to the screening. They're talking to each other. They're plan on their phones. One of them is like listening to voice memos that they're getting daring like quietly but we're in front of them. The women in front of us were complaining about the people behind dan. That's loud so about halfway through the film when they go out after hearing a voice mail that they had to make phone call about and then come back. And i'm assuming they were doing those like theater jumping thing because they did not give buckler movie. Now they come back. And they're sharing the information that they gleaned from the phone call that they made and i turn around and in my four year old voice in a whisper. Could you please and looked at them. And by the silhouette of the peop- these ghostly figures that are talking about fucking the chick they like in high school. But if i can i i was so angry and both amy and i both did the the look back. Turn suddenly look back like hoping that they would get that they're interrupting other people's experience and talk right away to the y. Y be settled at the scene and by the way spoilers for fireplace do and what the heck before we get to report into this. I'm leaving the theater talking about the movie. And she talks about the scene where they turn on the radio and they hear beyond the play. Yeah right in that moment. She's like and also my heard nikki manashe. Somebody was like playing nikki airfield but before we get into The proper way to watch a movie theater which is definitely a reminder of. I got to smell people's breath rest- i'm in a year and a half like i. This is bad etiquette episodes. This is all etiquette now. What we are talking about actually is a quiet place to a new movie that dropped the sequel to the john krasinski directed fantastic horror film. Fuck yeah and we are going to get into the nitty. Gritty of the episode is not to old man back in my day. We were quite we started. You started that they were getting it out of the way at the beginning. But now we're gonna be getting into the nitty gritty of this episode. So thank you so much for joining us for this episode on quietly to electric and sound. Think we and he's dead tab i would be. I have no doubts. I watched it with steven and we walked out. And you're walking down the hallway and you after watch your so sensitive or every sound possible that movie just trains you to be like what the fuck i didn't realize like i made my feet made that sound. That made that like. Yeah you walked outside and you're like oh there's a lot of noise out here. Yeah yeah 'cause. I think one of those like fucking bird the fucking watching place. One was one of my favorite movie. Experiences in meter does like outside of like going to see crouching tiger hidden dragon in a in a super ghetto theater with subtitles. Everyone had to read so they shut the fuck up this movie you could fucking here a skittle hit the floor It was amazing. Oh i heard nerves hit in the floor from the fucking high mater and exactly exactly in such a great time though. I will say if you if you go to see this film and you do plan on getting food or anything like that. I mean outside of popcorn super loud. Like you're gonna movie theater. People ian popcorn. Everyone else can shut the fuck up. Its movie you're gonna watch nerds or anything extremely loud. The movies quiet. But there's there's still music you pick the time to actually eat the thing so you're not being a dick and everyone else stay away from bunch cry. I heard other masticated during the movie and the thing is though that wasn't great. Your movie there's going to be a level of you've gotta deal. We've got to deal with their other. No anger about that. I understand people wanted to eat there. Fucking like nachos and shit. Whatever they ordered from the the concessions. I will say this time around. There probably was more of that but the first time in the original movie literally people were afraid to like. Open a bag of eminem. Y'all or like something loud because like the movie was so quiet and everyone would just captivated so and you know this transferred to the second one to a certain degree but to degrade. Everyone's gotta learn etiquette dude right now too. That's true i will say with the second one. There is a lot of pretty intense moments to the point. Where four different times. My abba watch pretty much as we've always doing all right because my heart rate had gone up and i was like that right. There tells me. I enjoyed the show. That's yeah that movie gummy about five times. What can doesn't happen. Let's give me like that. Was like it chapter one. Yeah no that was the thing. Because i was so pissed off at the kids behind me. I'm fucking would see this another time. That scene was good but that every time there was a jump scare there was one of them that laughed and i understand that some people. That's their natural reaction to something. That's scary. I do that sometimes and i'm sure that's what it was. But in that moment of them being like talkie and at already done two of that like hard turns looking at them and i was like like in front of them. I will murder every single one. And i know you won't because you only gave him looks twice your bitch the bitch. No the third time was that. Could you never the stern talking to all right. Gave them a stern talking. Good i will take the gloves off and slap you with it. If you continue to talk your authoritarian. The same peter as yeah i. I was trying to give you the glove oklahoma but speaking people that would help me fight teenagers. We've got a great panel here to talk about quite place to first off of course is from beautiful disasters hair. Groups is here. what's up top main. Yeah it's been a minute. It has been a minute. I'm glad that we're back in. This is the first time since we've come back to in person that you've been on the panel. Yeah yeah yeah. I love it. It's great to be vaccinated. It's great to be back with friends. And i like the the apple action that happens with our next guest. Who's your co host on beautiful disasters and also co host for. Both of your girlfriends are here. I know pivot man. He's getting both holes filled so he is actually the bitch cross pollination cross pollination because the pitch being goddamn is being you you say bitch every time you get that talked to everybody else. We are talking about The gentleman that's on every show on the network. Fuck you honor. What's up bitches. As i look at both of y'all what's up bitches bitches. Yeah because we'll get down. I don't know all right. So i guess or whatever. The gentleman filling one of hunter's holes during From the mountains of madness. My lear holes and mine on breaks during Gyn tonight's my partner in running this network and my co host on this show. We've got low down macgyver here going everyone how you doing so you were fortunate not to have to deal with any teenagers. That you had to bury the hazard. I think have any teenagers and we were lucky. Enough to view it in a snot super crowded theater. Yeah because let's face it like especially if you go like opening night like not. Everyone is amped to get right back out there. I'll be honest. you kind of just got. i mean. Obviously theaters back open. We had it in seven different theaters some theaters. You had forty to fifty people in others. You had three to four people. Yeah and it's just a matter of the showtime and it sounds like unfortunately got a road on you picked. Did you go homes poorly. We went at it. Was the thirty eight o'clock show. Yeah yeah some showtimes and if you wanna avoid teenagers yeah seven. Thirty to eight thirty. Yes the nine to ten now nine to ten years you save those out here again for fun like i did get to watch the movie and enjoy the movie but there were enough times where i'm just like i don't really care that. She hasn't texted you back yet. I don't believe they're saying. Because where i have a adult auditorium literally for a pg thirteen movie where literally we just wait until they come out and they're like they won't shut up and audits room for the same movies playing okay like we're they usually know by the second trailer. How the rest of the nightmare. That all the teachers wait till the movie star to go all right now. We start talking now. The they literally the minute they sit down. That was fucking sneaky. Shit showed up five minutes after the movie started. Christ oh yeah the knitting your fault. So we're settled in any five minutes late to the movie and they were talking up the fucking old old bastard of Getting looked to go. Nobody on those mother fuckers should be. I'm gonna fuck you get off my lawn. And i'm like that we're living ranting about right right right so yeah. Let's get into into the movie. Someone on this episode podcast. We're we're on it. But i i do. I will say. I think what this movie something that could possibly kind of irritates you a little bit. This movie is all about the atmosphere and the sound so something that might be slightly entertaining is a little bit more intense because again you want that silence you want. I didn't go see fucking crew. Allah when i saw a quiet place. It's steam the fuck too. So you've had two times to learn the rules. Kind for now. Starting to the cowed tool. Tie times. I i will say that. Yes you want. Wanna quiet but with this film as well you do you get a lot more sound as well. Yeah as with the first one it was a mix right anything a quiet place home silence like no there is still music. There is noise With this one. That's even there's even more of that though like there's a lot less it's Scenes a lot in a lot of them had to do with the daughter who's deaf super perspective. You've got dead silence. That was something that i really did like to that you have. These moments are really tense and then silent. And it's her point and you're like oh yeah but it wasn't entirely silent and they actually did really awesome sound design because apparently she's not one hundred percent deaf She can hear a certain muffled amount of rigorous minor stuff and they actually integrated that into the fucking sow design which was amazing because and shows up in the opening scene where you got a flashback from day one Which was incredible scene. That was was amazed at car scene which also was shot like. They did everything they could to basically make that a one shot sequence which There were a couple of cuts and they were very clever now. I'll had like they're back on all the effects and stuff but like whenever you you the camera to her. You get like this muffled like audible. Like things are happening and that she was off. That's why i appreciate her interaction. With redneck mad. Max when he starts talking and like literally she's like speak slower so i can reach her lips. She says enunciate nunciature. But then there's another part where he's like he's talking get she's like really we over this. I'm a huge fan of cillian murphy. And to see him playing the dude that is the alcoholic of the small southern town that causes his son assissi all the time. Like i've met this dude so many times. I lived in a small southern town. There's thirty two hundred of those and cillian murphy fully played that character the first time you see him before he even says anything. He's wearing the fucking hat and he's like a little beard and he looks over like i thought. Yeah you nailed it you fucking nailed it and i will say the They try to make it more. Grizzled you know obviously after the fact when they meet up again. And i'm like you just can't make that man look grizzled his his high cheekbones and piercing is it. Just you just can't make him look grizzle. Cheekbones were over his big beard. Big beard and the sheep bones. Were like peeking out. Like the fucking old graffiti. The guy with the nose the big nose. Chica like hi. I'm here but it's like he can't make him look bad. You could try. But he didn't look rough like you see all these other people that look like most of his facial hair to cover our shitty faces like still looks good with a beard and also his gorgeous faces just shining through it It's it's unfair unfair. That's what is these straight european. So yes just genetics genetics. He won the lottery. It's so unfair. But did you get that really julie gadhafi from his character from the beginning that he was like this like hard ass to that point z. Didn't seem like a do. Nash does number checking with his kid. Like baseball you know. He was cheering him on and he didn't get it. He said hollick uses appointed. Because he wanted to do the thing for you don't know if it was for him or for his kids sakes you know so now. He came across as a character as ultimately broken and he delivered because he can like. He's an amazing actor. Yes i loved the conversation. Those happening through quiet place to between john christie's character and so he murphy's character that the daughter was nothing like my dad and everything the crabs like. Yeah no shit you do. There was a kindness to christie's character throughout the entirety of the first film. Where you understood that. He was motivated not by his own safety but he had other things that he was focused on. And there's this other character cillian murphy who. He lost everything that he would have had that ability to be motivated by his wife. His children so his entire most is his self preservation. And i think it suggests that like that might be why they weren't as safe as sake krizan skis. Family was is because of his inability to react In dangerous situations smartly while protecting the people important to him like he he probably fuck. Let's hide loudly as he ran down the street. Oh we also says she was screaming right. I mean there's a parallel between them because they're both barnstable quasi bad ass dudes but the difference is is that kaczynski as character. The father had to protect his family and he became like obsessed with it. And you almost quasi like psychotic about it. Yeah you know like making sure that they were fine painting the floorboard exactly. Where the creeks were. Murphy's character like lost everyone so all of that energy went to him trying to survive well burgers character. Look you pretty much pick up. He lost his family like that. Where jim sorry mr. helper. Yeah mr hubbard. Pretty much as able. Would they sleep with the exception of when loud space shuttle was able to keep his family safe and he became pretty obsessive after. That is the the youngest right. That's where i think he probably went over the head with it. Yes and with was suing character. You say that you know because he was with the hunter said he lost everything right off. The bat that became the self preservation selfless selfishness but it became that through dealing with the grief of losing the thing that he was supposed to protect and he never. He didn't overcome that until he protected. Kaczynski's fam- yep like that was his arc still had his wife fucking corpse after he moved them a lot. He couldn't help his wife's pain. Which is what gave them away. Like he was doing everything he was opposed to her paying so bad that you couldn't stop screaming and you can't what can you do. What you there now. Harsh and yeah. He closed off so completely that even after the sun got caught in a fucking bear trou- and that would shoot them. Rishon scene was incredible back in. Yeah yeah that kid. He's been in a million thing noah moreno. Gop he's incredible. Oh my god and you saw the pain in his eyes when he was screaming getting his mouth muffled. You could still tell how much pain he was in. I mean he said so fuck you well. No he had to scream. There was no way can bear trap. Nobody else this is to like it. Felt it visceral. That's how painful like we all know. How fucking painful. That would be but literally. You've been trained for years and years not to make a fucking sound and literally. You're you're you can't you can't like this going through your fucking legos. I don't know like fuck. That bear trail trained herself ago. This doesn't hurt like so fucking bash. See mad at him please. What are you doing quiet right now. I know baby. I know supposed to stand up. Turn around to him say quiet now please rapids hands. Yeah yeah please please quiet got. I'm sorry that leads me to something. That has a been something. I've been playing over and over since watching. The film. That i feel is a little bit different than the first film is that the first film is entirely about maintaining the family dynamic protecting the family. It's very grouped there altogether. They're trying to protect each other when they are split away from one another their entire focuses to get back together And this movie. There are like missions that they all end up being on. So there's a disconnect and it can be explained by the fact that you know and we just lost her husband And the kids just lost their father and like one of them just finally kind of got to a place where she and her dad were good again two seconds before he gets his head lopped off by a fucking monster worried or the fact that she discovers what her dad was working on after. He's gone so you can't even give them a high five or quiet high five literally. It's like oh wow this whole time. I thought he was just being ignorant to like what was going through the when i didn't see him. That's all he works. Another thing that would i love high fives. I would high five out of that and then we'd both died the worst. I've ever the other trajectory that this movie goes in is the fact that they're safe haven is now compromised. It's destroyed you know. Yep every did yeah. Yeah it's flooded like all the creatures come on fire out it. All of it catalogs laying. Exactly they they have to venture out and this is where the world building begins You know because there was obviously you know we saw in the first movie. You know they would light a fire on the top of the frigging silo and there would be you know. Initially there were some other fires. It was to murphy's you but then there was only one and then you know so they had to get out you know they had to find something which if cillian murphy didn't want people showing up he said i'll fucking bear traps. Why is he making other people know that he's around like why is to shit. That's because of what happens later in the movie because there's fucking There's there's the road cannibals. Yeah or you know like crazy. Feral people were living in the. Oh like conc- w clearly he had run into people because even said that like the people that are still out there or say aren't we're saving so but then why is he making his presence clear to the world. well okay. He makes his spurs as clear but again. He says he can watch them. He says the traps. He's up there with a fucking rifle rate a pop in the goddamn head like he. He's not just letting them in. Willy nilly either so jacqueline maybe with a little bit more storyline. He's in the. What is it the greatest The game or what. Is it the most dangerous dangerous game where he's just like cannibal people come on in. Come on look look at the trash can fire yup safety camp but the handle people also play by that trick where it's like all right. We've got a little girl you know nobody can resist helping a little girl right and then yeah fuck you now. You're now now we've got you to show. The little girl was evil by her being like malformed like she didn't have to be all fucking gross. Yeah people evil we burner so you know she's evil that makes sense all of them if you look all fucked up skin. They're living on the fucking water there in the sun and they're in salt water. Salt water fucks up. Yeah that's actually a really good point so seriously. Look at of salt water. We'll fuck up your skin. Oh no i grew up in a in a beach community and the women that tanned all the time and we're always near the beach looked fucking habits and that's all your option is consistently in the sun and in the salt water. It's just a bunch of tanned tina's hanging out on the harbor basically starts to clint eastwood's like like. Hey i want to ask you look like a certain put almost like leprosy but it was just from erosion from right the air and all. I mean that's the site water air all that stuff. They were the second smartest group in the movie because at least they need to be near the water. They weren't that smart because there was an island like won t five feet away twenty. Th they had boats they could they could easily like pushed the boat and the push would have gotten them to the fucking island as it happened with one of the fucking monsters. And they're like no. We're good here. Yeah never mind this island. That's clearly away. Your winery at the monsters can't swim. Because we've been doing this for long enough to actually see on one of them. Try to swim or they were just kinda banking on it. You know like that to vote and then one of them skip along the water fucked up. Guys you're trapped the guy who's in everything On the islands says it's still like you know the magazines galaxy or the bad guy shoes fucking of course he's in this movie had cobb he says like you know as together all the ships like you know once they saw them drown like you. They saw that happen and then story was awesome awesome. Yeah that was good a lot of good dialogue for the dialogue. That you having this. It's again the it's all strong. I at least. I feel like it is don't the dialogue was strong. But that is my biggest pothole. Is that the fucking. The harbor cannibals are looking at this island. That has a fucking blinking light on the top of the fucking antenna. They're like nah. I don't know what he's talking about that scene about trying to get by on the boats and it reminded me of anybody. That's read roars e when they have the same kind of situation whereby trying to get off the mainland and just people piling boats. Boats are overturning. Zombies are getting them and it was kind of same thing. Where like you go. Oh you just get on this island but obviously everybody wants to do that. And that's when she gets or snyder's The dad yeah day where they get to the i'll against the island and it's just like already obvious some people probably like what does he talk about because they didn't go through all the credits maybe should watch the credits to saying Yeah so named for these creatures yet. They they've never been named new have been they've been described as Death angels douay win. That's so there are terrestrial biker. Gang is what you're saying. I was eighties hair bands. Like we'll be there are there is a threat. There is a thrash metal band. Still reading music called death angel. So yes there. Sensitivity is so hot that they would just be playing like balance a bastion music. That's really quite and nobody listens to belen sebastian. The fucking breath. Israel's at high pitched bothers them because brings it back to the old days of the failed career. You just put a fucking king diamond in. You're good s good to go talking no i. It wasn't yeah explicitly said in the movie but don't remember yang apparently like in interviews and whatnot. They just kind of refer to them as the death angels. I think the reason being is that they you know. They were extra terrestrial that lost their home and they were traveling on meteorites comets. And you do. That's just kinda how to randomly. They ended up on earth and they're angry about how loud it is. Fuck you get the fuck away. Yeah who knows that would explain the whole like not being able to be affected by fire thing because if you're planning explodes and you're just riding the fucking by the debris from imagine so for like twenty three hundred years. They're just hanging onto iraq being like one day. We're going to find. That killed. Jim from the office though win. So yes there's there's a lot of plot along okay. Let's let's just say that there's a lot of plot holes the fact that it was a comment and it landed somewhere in north america however the entire world seems to be a post apocalypse at this point so doing know that for sure. We don't like a twenty eight days later where it's just the states and everybody else is like fuck. I'm glad i don't like yeah like van. Can't we do know that. Because in the first movie he is on the shortwave radio and he has marked off like. But it's all new york already countries shortwave. So and like he. He is reaching out to other countries like japan. Nope seattle remember. I remember the the map of new york access and stuff like that. There was that. But like he was very specifically he was on the shortwave radio. Which is where you can talk to people anywhere on earth because it's straight about this is that it it literally says. Yeah probably happened everywhere. But we're not gonna show you everything. We're just concentrating on this small town. This one family the other movies where it shows everything shifts over or on the or in the end like like say for twelve monkeys where it shows the entire world being destroyed or you know like taking out of this was just kind of like no. It's basically a farmhouse. The first movie in second when you get. Oh it's just main street. Yeah three main street. Which again i love the fact that he had this in the second one so you experience a whole move shut the fuck up and then you start out with just start out. Whether by going baseball game. We're making it like shut up. Shut up and yeah. You know what's going to happen. That's cool they bring in the base game because it starts off with him being really quiet parking sorts of pay a dead street. Oh shit so sorry happened. Was he driving. It's noise and then he gets out and it's really quiet and then eventually see that it's quite because everyone's at the baseball game. Yeah and that's where the noise starts. Who just braiding. You're just waiting waiting waiting for him to go down. So you see all the shit land they sit on so i i never got the Or maybe i didn't read it. But i know in the movie. They didn't mention anything about their planet being Destroying the right. Where did you get that. Where where was that. You don't remember the scene where there was one alien the kentucky is like i'm not go let me tell you know. I watched Special features. Sorry no who is like interviews with john krasinski like talking about like the origin etc. Meaning the movie think. Lisa's birthday research. This is not a place for research burr. Free in us all right you. You are showing. It's not gonna be available until the until the actual like physical copy release like all right now. What i will say is that He did a good job world building in this movie now. I didn't expect all the answers. I didn't either. No i didn't know so This is obviously going to have third. Oh yeah third wide open like a crazy and and there's going to be more like world building to go. But i think they should combine the third new jurassic park movie with a quiet places. Well no and that they're dealing with dinosaurs runamuck but also they're dealing with all these fucking southbound. Every radio's just like uses the frequency. That's now being played on the stereo or on the podcastone. How i'd like to see chief from the x. Men battling these now basically every time the tears rowers which is the senior every department is like a like a big epic who i would love that just to see a t. Rex like whisper roar. Because i know what was the transformers like multi bot thing with all the dinosaurs that got together. O whether it's the dino bah butts data bots yeah. They're not meccas toward the they made it like. They made one big one right now. Structure cons makes up with your remember. Yeah he can't make some of that. 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Hey we're drinking. we're getting so the point is thing ever. We got a couple of shares here for sup lowdown. You've got a tasty choice for us here Yeah i've got us east. Coast local Final gravity brewing company's my pocket is a six point eight percent. I believe that's tasty. I like my at my local favourite up to this point. But i haven't seen it in a while as the legend my bach which i'm not normally a big fan of legend but they're my quarterly. Get this is comparable. My favorite was blue mountain which oh blue mountain didn't say really that much different to me than their logger so they. They didn't really never impressed me. I remember when i went and bought a six pack. Cool it's in my pocket. This literally tastes like your fucking logger. Oko will even rebrand. It'd be over here fucking myself. I appreciate how you that one's really good see. It was like honestly yeah. I don't like water punches. With booze and like if you like having a terrible opinion than yeah good. Yeah i mean about actually thinking. It tastes different than the logger. Then i guess that's a okay anyway but the final gravity now see. My opinion doesn't matter anymore so the final gravity beer sucks terrible. I hate it. It's definitely not very tasty that could malt and it was a harsh. But i it isn't that lives into blue mountains. Which they didn't fucking. They stopped bottling. You only you have to go to the fucking brewery in the spring to get it is my. That's my shit. As far as for east goes local fucking. My box found gravities comparable. It's good now. Doesn't it definitely is a my bach based around their vienna lager. Because i was getting a lot of the vienna lager yeah I brought one for a share. We we may not have been doing it persons. But they're gonna loggers fucking solid. I know i know. I debris i raised about it. No i just read about my bad no worries but the joy of being in person again. I can't remember being raving about it. And they basically took that formula and kind of ended up a bit honey to it and sweet nice. Now i would say as far as the matic goes the way lowdown made it. Thematic is he showed up with a plastic grocery bag full of single cans. Which is the most quiet place thing that you can do. Just whatever you dug up to bring over bottom all separately at the store though. Yeah but you still thematically brought it bag. Yeah like you adjust run into a grocery store. Real quick grappling kit. Fortunately no No censorship's no battery operated not gruesome you are doing the proper Quiet please treatment to us here. Is that if you are sitting in the silence and need to get drunk quick than this is the way to do. Well yes also. It is the matic as well. Because i looked for a particular bourbon that was going to be more corn based than others because of course. They grew corn on their farm in the first movie. Because i'm a nerd. Yeah and that's amazing. So this is actually a major plot point as well as the silo in the movie the silo and and like All the chases through the cornfields and stuff like that like i'm a sucker for a cornfield. Chase no yeah absolutely running backwards naked right. I mean personally. I'm actually gonna pull groups moment out here Apparently a year before they were gonna start filming a quiet place They actually built up that cornfield and like set everything up and threw money into build us farm. That's in new york so like they were planning all that ahead of time because our longer. Yeah they didn't. They didn't like find a location they are. This looks good. We can use any money. Fuck up your corn. Yeah they're like. Can we plant corn pretty much alien. True it is it is about. What are we going on here. So this is mick jagger's small batch kentucky straight bourbon label. I realized i have actually had this. They have a bunch of different Bottles i know they're pretty solid all the way through like i've had the ri- before it's it's damn good. This is a ninety one point. Four percent proof okay. So you know it's it's a decent test like ah one point four percent that really fucks you up. Well it's totally. Bergen is pretty damn good Definitely tasted corn in an sweetness. So i thought. I would like to hire i was. I like to play the brain. Fardon a higher ripe proof or high orion on the bill will get you the spicy the higher corn. We'll give the sweetness because i tasted like no. It wasn't a lot of bite but it was definitely a lot exactly on the end of it. Yeah yeah they're small batch so it's it's it's pretty solid. I'm not mad about it now. Like a tasty beverage. Indeed it's fucking. Chris star can tho. Yeah now for the next part We are going to dig in a little bit into the The nature of the of the film by normally we do Making a drunken seen boy. What kind of shenanigans you got a making. Adrian can see a partly because there isn't a lot of dialogue from quiet place one or two like i looked on. I'm db for quotes from quiet place to and literally. The only one is run. Yeah that's it. Is that what she drops the bottles and it's like run. Yup others gentlemanly three times more dialogue in the in the sequels original. Yeah it's just it's so new way. Yeah then he did Yet so in the spirit of fuck a quiet place being about being as quiet as possible. I thought i would fuck us all up by well. We're doing the second half. I've got a mini jenga here. That i'm gonna put in the middle of the table of fuck and so well. Well we're just continuing on the second half we're gonna take turns. Picking out our mini jenga pieces. Which were last. Maybe not even all four of us before it gets tipped over to see who would get us all murder. Who would get us all murder. So this is this is the The the we're gonna find out who's going to be the one that gets gyi people murdered in the quiet place. And i did not realize this rapid or anything all right. We're getting the The jenga straightened out a little bit right now. It looks like west virginia shack. So we're trying to get it cleaned up a little bit. Aw this is going to end so poorly. There's no way this is going to end. Well this is what. It is like a mini jackie. This is your idea roll with it. Okay so the first piece here. Yeah the smell on peace down so as we go we can keep talking as this continues on so as we're going you're going to hear a loud crash at some point. The other choice is that. I have a new baggage tortilla chips and i was going to see who could crunch the quietest but masturbation show is not exactly. Everyone's favorite you is no fun. Asks have are going on shifts. So thank god. I have just cancelled my subscription. If you guys especially hips into the microphone jesus all right fuck so i did want to dig in a little bit into the the island that they go to Yes the utopia the well. Yeah i mean in this world this utopia that when they show up there like beaten and fucking ruined and they're pouring coffee and having like on fire. I expected like fucking john. Mayer jason mraz playing like fucking career. These your favorite the seen jason mraz like. I'm waiting for iraq kim. No no no koumba coup by would've been too much so the greatest seen was You can't do the top. Not that's a rule in jenga you can't take a never play jenga okay you can take. Everything literally never played jenkins because the ever played january. You take the top often. That's what everyone's doing and you're just or a game or watching. Yeah i've ever wake you gotta take a piece gently from anywhere else on the sides the top. I'm probably gonna kill. Because i blew never played jenga. I'm so excited for to fail at this. You've been waiting something. I never played that. That's very how to treat the waiting years for this. Please please fail. Oh you guys telling us how to please a woman would that sensitivity of finger use gas. Actually depends on how the woman likes it. I thought you're going to get into a descriptive story. Actually times story but i was greatest scene was when cillian murphy curable or like walking around the house and then all the sudden they see. This is fire and the look on their faces. Like i i. It's like it's a movie that you shouldn't wanna laugh at put. That scene was hilarious. Fell look on their faces was like what the fuck if it's like an alien movie and like aliens where they're going through and they run into fucking hunter got it. They're going through and they find the little girl and she's like yeah the is around and then they find some other room in there playing fucking parcheesi like. Oh hey we got some wind. Yeah if you want to like it would be so out of place Like are you fucking kidding. Me right account. Remind me of just the The hillside with walking dead. Where like they're just like. you know. Yeah you know very up kept and stuff like that like you. Mother fuckers are black and all kinds of shit and hillside in walking dead. Were it's like you know the the nice big mansions that are gated off and like so. They have their own routine without really algae. This reminds me so much of like either third or fourth season of lost when the others. They finally like come across the others like their little plantation spot. Yeah yeah where they had like. Oh spoilers war. I don't care i'm just saying i just didn't watch los no. No they're low condos. It was a little play. It'd be these people were sleeping on the beach. All the people on the other side of the plane record sleeve on the beach and these motherfuckers have condos as acting up. And it's like fuck you. I grew got one file hoping to win. Come back to me reach. I'm eugene for it stumping arms. She t rex can t rex arms. Good luck there we go. I'll get it which nobody. I agree that It was definitely where when cillian murphy and the girl come in. And they've been seeing fucking the worst of the worst like on the mainland. They've been having to be careful and quiet the whole time and they're like anyway. That was a good joke. Who else has joking loud and not giving a fuck it all and just hanging out. We can tell with What's his name when they get to the radio station and literally he turns his back. And he's like our blah blah just talking like everything's fine. You're dead motherfucker. And he was dead motherfucker. Yes he basically says like wait a minute. Maybe there okay. Maybe let's go back because maybe we outran it because we were faster than than like no dude. That's how that were while the to experience ones aren't saying fucking work because they're like. Hey asshole these things are gonna kill. You really fast. You're gonna keep talking like like. Oh yeah we around them. No you did not. Oh lowdown got one. Did a bitch about softness treasures one to one. Yeah lowdown sparkle fingers brown macgyver. Pleased of many. Actually the so. We've definitely addressed Some of the Some of the island folk that were safe only by the fact that the god damn doo angels couldn't swim through the water. However we have to address the fucking crazy insane Like feral people there were by the dog definitely. I talked her. That were reminiscent like in a sense of almost like the cannibals and the road but it is weird that a bunch of people that have inversion to sailing hanging out at the doc That that did bother me. That's the biggest hole for me. Honestly i love how. They're they're they like. We're not gonna kill you. We're just gonna set you up to be killed like like you know what i mean like. He went groups. It's your turn. Get playing jenga by the island. How like the little girl on us a little girl they get in there and then they're like okay. Well yeah if you move you're gonna make us out and then you're fucking shit so do that. There was even a point when when silly murphy and the girl were like. They're that they're trying to steal the girl exterior away and nobody is willing to be loud. The people being assaulted the people that are doing the assaulting everybody's like it's a known quantity of like no like we're not being loud quietly. I'll assault her quietly issa. No fuck man. Oh yes you There on the water. And they're not sailing but i think they might have heard. The rumor passed down that they can't swim so they probably felt that really. I got it. Oh fuck you in the face had damn. It was a tough poor. They pass down that they can't swim so they're like. Oh this is a good place to be released on the water but they might never have tuned to a frequency to picked up the station. So oh i'm sure they hadn't this island. The joke we had the first half of this island is like way the fuck out there. It's not like they could look and oh there's an island he gets good swimmer. Then you went to island. Yeah no women ball like you can see the. I see it from the docks when they were box. But here's the thing before they got to the like. There's the island. Yup i remember motor. So you have to hope that you're able to create that bitch on and fucking get away from the dock fast enough before one of those things catch you. I feel like that's also deterrent. So we got the island. We got the zero people you know before the island So we gotta talk about the fucking the insane sequence where the sun has to protect the baby. He locked himself in the funding. They get locked in the dead baby. I'll be honest and trainspotting. Jim with this moment of the entire movie that any turns to me and says if they kill the baby riot take the mask and he looks like well. Sorry you're gear not able to hold this real bad. How do you like own up to your mom like sorry the baby's dead i wanted to debris so you'll you saw them take a couple of gas like he needed to breathe two though. Yeah that was the thing right. He put it back. Yeah he needed like it was just it all it all fit in again. One of my watch alerts was. Yeah that part when literally. It's like okay. So they're trapped in here. Oh and the oxygen tank is You know fucking about to go But also i wanna say. I can't speak enough about joop. Is that in that situation again. Not speaking the amount of conversation was having with. This is about his infliction about when he was to give the baby more oxygen versus him having oxygen. He translated that all with is true as movements. He was able to fully infer painful. He i felt like i even felt a moment of him. Second guessing like maybe. Maybe the baby's meant to go. You know the babies not the baby's hope you kill the baby i. You're the one that's supposed to like not get it back to me. You're supposed to fail this all right. Sorry we just update real quick. We've all gone now three times and we have drunk four. So yeah Boards over. We are expert drinkers and jingo players. Jingo django them janko unchain. Yeah fuck this is heartache some sausages golly i got it. We are crushing this. She are crushing culas. That's this way. I figured maybe two rounds tops and we are doing. We're starting around four all right. So let's also briefly talked about the fact that Our main girl final girl girl. Reagan right is her name. I don't i don't know anybody's names movie. Yeah you don't need to. But anyway like she's the main like she's the oldest daughter. She was daddy's girl sort of situation. Anyway she takes it upon herself and rolls out to go deliver. This frequency with brother was against it like there was so much there to be said about her being like her dad before they even announced in the movie right. She was going when she could help everybody right right so she took it upon herself to become the hero potentially being a martyr potential essentially. Yeah there was a bad sequence on that train. The meantime noah fucking joop his his mom leaves. He's left of the baby. Like i don't know how to take care of baby. She's like i don't know just like rock and a lot. He's like okay cool but then she leaves and he's like cool. I'm going to go exploring who in the night but she was also going to get him pain meds because she he she realized that like. Oh yeah you're to die for that about to be in some sort of like. He's he's on pain meds and decides to go exploring where the monsters are just if he didn't go out exploring she would have rolled back and she would have been fine. Yeah he didn't go explore where the monsters where he was exploring his world and they came across a fucking dead deadline. Cillian have been hold onto. How what he was doing with it but he was hold onto deep into the store. How many times. He's run into a dead corpse before. Why is he. That freaked out about it. Jim expecting how is this back. Plenty it happened to her too when she went to go. Get the meds train which yeah by the way. I always had cats as my list of the fuck you animal with came to suspenseful movies at birds because yeah the jump in that god damn movie. That was one of the gyms birds for the. I literally allowed funky birds. Oh this is terrible. do you own mazing. This is this is not funny more. That is also like there was no justification for going out and exploring like if there was a reason why he had to know something something but it was literally him just be like well. Mom's not around. I guess. I'm gonna go fucking look drawings of dude dead kids. Yeah that's what i'm gonna do right. Nothing about it that made on a gimpy fucking leg. can we re like. He's literally climbing the ladder and doing this shit. Like dude just weighed. Do fucking chill. She set you back two hours. She's not like i'll be back in three days like to be back in a minute. Just fucking chill out because like isn't she getting meds for him so maybe she doesn't want him walking the fuck around shit. I think this might be the you ground. I got i got like you're getting more support from groups over here. Holy shit that was runners got a thumbs up getting getting blocks or so tiny so small. I actually before before anybody. I gotta take a picture of this. So people understand. Why don't you put your fingers near it. I want to get back for size. How tiny the jensen. So jenga is a game that is definitely reducing sales during the quiet place like it's not thatta or operation operation also. I did send out a message to everybody asking if If anybody had operation. I also play. Fuck me yeah groots buddy. Yeah i got. Yeah i got it and that's why i was giving you the the The little finger. Fuck be yup going into the tail end of this episode and probably this jenga. What do we think they're going to be doing with the Magical earpiece that makes all the aliens out moving forward. I think moving forward. Where here's one of a could be a couple of possibilities. I'll let everyone else chime in on. What could be the other ones but The big one is that we come to a time where they have gone through and they have killed a lot of them but now we have the remaining few that end up stirring up the problem that they have become immune to it. Because there's a certain time in the even in the first one where they became immune to the ambient noise in the air wind birds. You know animals running you know they like there's things that they still showed in the outside world where sound that was happening and the creatures react to it so the creatures adapted to a certain level of sound so i think that even showed it in parts to when the oh fuck you in the face at how flew too close to the sun your of bilbo killed of crashing reacting would've definitely bird but no i think that god dammit you creatures get used to that frequency and that's what i was gonna start killing them this bidding them putting them in pain just adapting to it. Go eventually depth to it and then that's going to be three. I mean i always look at is that we still have a small town. It's based in the small town so we don't know what's happening with the major cities you they might have figured this out the military's gone through with like you know sonic weapons to kill them and they just haven't gotten to you know fucking boonies. I think you're exactly right if if there's going to be number three it's going to ramp up the world building even more. Oh yeah totally. And it's going to be. Yeah exactly how do we fight back. Sonic cannons of deaf. And now i. I do wanna make this statement before we in the episode. This movie felt to me like aliens vs alien Okay because because the original movie was so wonderfully contained. It was a small situation. I mean it basically could have been a stage play. You know like totally who is is very it was a small amount of characters and it was contained. It was perfect. It was a perfect movie. And i loved it dearly. So you're saying is the the girls can become like part of a penal colony of rapists and then shave her head also becomes like pregnant with one of the aliens damn no she's just a bad ass okay and then and then they clone her and yeah he clone her. And then there's like there's there's one of the day no one of them to the shitty movies and that series david fincher movie. This was a movie that expanded the world which it needed to obviously as a sequel he needed to but also a was There were more action. set pieces It was bigger. He had to be but like it felt in the same way like the first movie was straight up straight up horror movie okay. He was terrifying. You didn't know what's going on. They're crazy fucking things. There was not a lot of explanation any of that. This one had a lot more. there's more exposition. There's more explanation like an open with a fucking like prequel to how the shit started but also you know it. I don't want to say like up the game or like trump the first movie but like it. It definitely was there in a certain sense. We followed the family and the first one we saw how they doubted the the lights. Changing color to warning the other family members and so we could be wirelessly. Yeah red light but yeah so you introduced to their world so this one like you're saying it's more open world. They have to go explore like what they had hoped to. Just sit tight and fucking mega through it. It's flooded a shit now. They have no choice. They have to go out in the world. So i i did appreciate and they get to point. You're like okay so there to stay in this. You know this place now with you know and they're like no we're going to push it farther and farther so you get stuff like the island like that. I feel like john crace. He's character was secretly a proper because he probably had just like three hundred red light bones. Fucking basement relief. Found them like he was ready. Flying three hundred red light blown them he had them he bought them. He bought them like he was going to use them in some future day. Actually any handle known fact about junkers since character the first one is he's really into the tiki culture and and he liked to have the neighbors over to have big tea parties. And that's what the red lights were four to create that mood. Yeah that mood. Yeah but it wasn't the the pre either party or something. It's a tea party tea party. it was born. it's a. It's a full-on like fishbowl key. Party and that's the thing is that the daughter is actually cillian. Murphy's kid is he. Follow dirty dirty is that's better. That's better than being like Like a quasi like white supremacist. Tiki party thing. Yeah oh sure. We don't want to flook where you've never been to a what's the purpose of tiki party. You the white. One the fuckers. Well that's why we didn't invite you. What are you talking about. I never been to charlottesville dance. They love tease was like no tiki tiki. A there are plenty of people actually a restaurant in town that couple that actually do the tiki thing that is that are fine that are totally fine Tiki racist whoever. I want be yours. David But but there is some some tiki stuff that has been engaged with White supremacist while ago. That was like tortures. Oh yeah the tiki industry is still trying to get back to the level of knobby dissociate walked by the whites. Anybody can get a tiki torch. Not just the white. I think it's actually. The the tagline now is giant extra piece of labeling that you don't need this is the hope i'm t t shirts like tiki torches. Not just for whites anymore. You may jamaica smiley face smiley face much the same all these companies just need like a co-op the dead kennedys like anti nazi like with the bar through like next to like. Don't lawyer torch like all the little warning labels on the tag and then also not financies x. over the snow white's purposes you know white supremacists. Yeah no supremacist. What else we gotta talk about quite plans to white supremacists about don with our episode. Talking about how. The aliens didn't seem to be fighting. All the cicadas in the woods that we heard all the time during the during both moves. Fuck like fucking bugs. And there's like lizards walking through the fucking like leaves and shit and they're just like now that's cool. We're waiting for footprint. Sounds and like how do you even know what that is at war crashes or now the action sequences were fucking amaze day. were great. yeah. I will say though In my total review. I really loved the first movie. Because it was so contained it was so contained. It was a perfect fucking suspense horror. Movie a loved it so much. I really enjoyed the second one. However i do also understand that there are like it was world building yet. They're going into a third movie most most definitely I like the first one the same way that i liked alien more than aliens shirt or the same way that a like john week one vs jomie to okay. Yeah that's that's my personal position so we'll just funny because i i've only seen it once but i almost feel like i enjoyed the second one more than the first one in which i also enjoy aliens just a little bit more than alien so comb par here and but i. I'm a par with Groups as far as i enjoy. John wake over more than two or three. Like and i don't care about when four comes out. I'm pretty sure. I'm gonna like one still better than the. Oh no no i. I love to and three. They're great but i mean comparing one in that universe. Yeah one was so solid But i do like aliens more than merely. Yeah i was just said that opening sequence where we see it happen was great and just again then exploring a little more than just the farmhouse. I'm sorry i like that. I have to go with groups on this one is that i the first one better than and so he got an even split Nights speaks to the sequel is that there are differences of opinion on which one is better. That means it's at least close now that it's hard for me to compare the two. I think what. I loved about the first one. So much is that it was all about developing the characters and that nucleus a family and so you rooted for them a lot like throughout all of it and there was such a rush to introduce new characters and new environments that i felt that it kind of missed that level of care about the characters even the characters that we loved from the first one. There dynamics were different. So you didn't have that same level of genuine hopefulness for those characters you they were just characters instead of a family that you're like if you kill them i will murder the world. Which is what. I felt in the first one against it kind of catch. Twenty two yourself on that because the reason they are difference because of things that happened in the first year and no one i get that i it different people because like the kids they had to watch it started with other sacrifice. Second one at all. It's more. I didn't take it that we yeah. It's more than i met the story. In the first one led up to directly the is being different the second because like i said what kid would not come out. Different watching their father like sh- by fucking haley and i as much as it definitely wasn't were movie was more of a character. Drama horror movie was whereas the second movie was a horror movie that had characters it i would. You wanted the same thing out of the sequel. What do you mean known. As far as would you want to say movie Not not at all. But if i'm just i'm just i understand what you're saying so i'm just asking like how would you have moved them out of the farmhouse and kept the same way i would start with the first third of the movie being entirely different characters You start with a where you you start that. Baxter you start the island. Maybe no you start you. Start actually from silly murphy. Historian you tell his okay and so then you see from his perspective. Hey kristen skis family at the baseball game. And everything happening actually. That's actually that's really. They don't talk. Then you get to really fully understand that his name his pain that his kids immediately died and then he slowly watched his wife die and they had to move away from what their safety was of their home because she was too this like leaky fucking foundry that they moved into and just for her to die and then he stuck there because he's so broken that he can't even comprehend moving anywhere else. He knows what with his wife he seen so meant so much shit of humanity. Yeah anything else out there and then it'd be alone and then you get twenty thirty minutes of that and you're like what the fuck and then that's when you hear the bottles drop and then do with the in show because you can still show them landing yup because he introduce cillian it follows after that. Yeah his dude. That's actually fucking solid is fuck. No but i'm wondering what you make as intimate as original. Because i get what happened. Saying about the The original being so already. You've already introduced the other character. You just go to the movie. Thing john krasinski. Oh fire that. China damage then. It goes into the rest of the movie up. But then your wars your more invested. In murphy's character you understand his his projections. You already understand all the things that emily blunt character the biggest character matters outside of the family right as a very small side Reagan deaf girl like she's basically the protagonist of this movie But What i really want to say is that the notion of emotion that the original movie conveyed to make like i- legit like get emotional and and got teary eyed throughout quiet place one. Oh yeah yeah sure there were. Inskeep was so oh my god absolutely. There are definitely times in this movie. That i am am terrified and white. Knuckling it you know sort of situation years. You never got the tears tears. Yeah and that's why that's why place one emerged. Please fix that though. Yeah exactly can fix that. Quiet place one is is going to be my favorite. They were much nicer to emily. Blunts character in the second one you know because the first one i mean fuck man that nail seen we're literally everybody not making a sound all goes and then that fucking hurt. Well how about you give birth. But don't make not making no not make noise interesting. No that literally almost seemed like she had to do the same speech to murphy that she did to her husband. Go find. go find my daughter. Yeah and beg like not as much begging her husband in the first one husband's fair the same like go get him go fight or go find her when she's like please please go her. That was almost the same style speech fair. It was almost the same circumstance because yeah he she knew she needed help but Sheers you could do it on her own she no. She needed that extra. Like adult exactly gave birth like eighteen hours before we also fell through kind of felt kind of follow like yes. She is healing from birth. But that's where we're gonna cut for this episode on geeks quiet place to we want to hear what you think about quiet place to. If you like the first one of the second one better you can hit. All the social media links are g. y. 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Part One:  How L. Ron Hubbard Lied His Way to Godhood

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Part One: How L. Ron Hubbard Lied His Way to Godhood

"It's baritone date, Thurston host of spit. I heart radio newest podcast, which one, three and me where we explore, how understanding your DNA changes, how we think about ourselves and the world around us. We've got the why clefts John. We have so much more in common than you could even imagine you put two kids together. They're going to want to play. They're gonna wanna have a good time. They gonna wanna fall in. Love have opinions. This is every kid listen to the full episode of spit with twenty three and me in the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcast. Hello friends. I'm Robert Evans, and this is once again behind the vestige. The show where we tell you everything you don't know about the very worst people in all of history. Now, this is a show where I read a tale of terrible person to a guest who is coming in cold or as cold as you can possibly come into on a subject. My guest today is Caitlin. Durante the Bechtel cast comedian and fan of L, Ron Hubbard, love him. Love some l. r. h. yeah. Yeah. What what do you know about Mr. Hubbard I know that he was a SCI fi, like pulpy writer in his early days and that he's the founder of the church of Scientology. Yeah, I watched going clear and that's pretty much all I. Okay, cool. He was a living monument to how much a tall white man can achieve in this world by just lying without pause or cessation for seventy street us. That's his whole life. He just never stopped lying from the time. He was about four years old until the day he died and he, he died worth like six hundred million dollars. So it worked out pretty well. I had a weird time researching this because I wanted to hate him and it's really hard to hate him. Really. He's a piece of shit. He is a monster. He does terrible things, but there's also he's not just a terrible guy. Like with a lot of terrible people today, it'll be like some rich asshole. Who like does something terrible to the environment or like, you know, is abusive to their employees or whatever. L Ron Hubbard did his terrible things while shooting for the moon. That's interesting. Gotta admire him for that. He might be the most ambitious con artist in human history. He's in the running, right? So Lafayette Ron. Hubbard was born on March. Thirteenth nineteen. Eleven until the Nebraska. His family moved there shortly thereafter to Helena Montana. His grandfather was moderately successful, but not wealthy by any means. He owned a decent house stables and a tar with a black man's head carbon onto the top of it. Yeah, that's a detail you'll run into a number times early life. Yeah, yeah. I'm guessing it was racist. I don't know. Later Hubbard would claim his grandfather owned a massive ranch, a quarter of the size of Montana and that he spent his early childhood having adventures there and becoming a blood brother of the blackfoot Indian tribe. That's it. He's already appropriating, you know, other cultures born appropriating other cultures on the website. What is Scientology, which is a Scientology website. It says that his particular friend among the blackfoot tribe was an elderly medicine man commonly known as old, Tom quote, establishing a unique friendship with the normally taciturn Indian Ron with soon initiated into the various secrets of the tribe, their legends customs and methods of survival in a harsh environment at the age of six. He became a blood brother of the black feet, an honor bestowed on few white men. So this is when he's six is what he claims. So this is this is not. There's there's no evidence that six year old L Ron Hubbard had adventures with Indians and became their blood brother. The Los Angeles Times reported on this in nineteen ninety. They talked to a historian, Hugh Dempsey, who is an expert on the blackfoot tribe in his wife is a member of the blackfoot tribe and he basically said, blood brothers aren't even thing. The tribe has a Hollywood idea that was invented for western movies. Yeah. So it seems like all of L Ron Hubbard's ideas about this, try that he claimed membership and came from like movies he watched as a kid, which is, yeah. Okay, good. So love how influential movies are in how they, you know, don't do anything to fuck up our society. Well, and it's amazing how little fact checking people do if you claims a lie from far back enough like that because the church Scientology still continues this line to this day that our on Hubbard was brother of the blackfoot tribe. And he even claimed later that a lot of his philosophical ideas came from, like Indian rich. Tools and stuff. And it's like as far as we know, he never met a single member of the blackfoot tribe, right? So I did want to give sort of a source on Ellen Hubbard's early life from sympathetic side. Most of the research I did on this was by people who are critical of him, so I didn't wanna know kind of how the church of Scientology talks about his upbringing, and I found l. Ron Hubbard dot org, which claim to have by graphical information on him, but actually just tried to sell me a series of books on Ron Hubbard because it was owned by the church of Scientology, but there was a trailer for the book series about L Ron Hubbard called l. Ron Hubbard a profile, and I wanna play you a little bit of that because it gives you an idea of sort of the cliffs notes of his life as portrayed by the church of Scientology time earned. The hallowed place in black feet war became the nation's youngest eagle scout at the age of thirteen and studied with the last in a line of legendary mystics from the court of kublai Khan. History. Ascended to the heights of greatness in a now fabled kingdom of the pulse and chartered unknown realms beneath a famed explorers, club flag. Retrace his journey to the founding of Dianetics and Scientology and his. Almost none of that's true, right. He was an explorer and founded uncharted t was there was a group called the explorers club, which was like a big thing in the day, and he did basically connive his way into being a member there, and he did carry out a couple of explanations that didn't really find much, but he piloted around in a boat until his boat broke down and he had a flag with them. Okay. So that that that's kind of what he's there. So what am I main sources for this episode was a book called bare faced messiah, which is a really comprehensive biography of Ron Hubbard by Russell Miller. Probably the first anyone ever wrote in the interviewed. A lot of L Ron Hubbard's relatives, people who saw him as he was growing up and stuff, and none of the people who are with him when he was a baby when he was six when he was like a young child head any recollection of any of the stuff that he claimed about his aunt Marnie who grew up with him, described him as the baby of the family, adored and coddle by everybody. He was very much the lovechild with the whole family. He was a door by everyone. I can still see that mop of red hair running around so. He was like the little baby of the family, but he grew up more or less in a house in a small town as beloved youngest child of a very close knit family, no adventures in his early childhood that there's any evidence of a love that imagination on him. You know, there's a thin line between imagination and just lying. Yeah. The actual information says that Hubbard enrolled in kindergarten at age six rather than becoming a foot brother. I suppose his local nickname was brick because of his red hair, I guess, because bricks or read nineteen fifteen was not a good time for nicknames. So Ryan Johnson's film break. It's actually based on L Ron Hubbard wish I knew something about. Yeah, I'm I'm assuming that's a very good joke seen it. Oh, it's not a good joke. It is a joke. It's a pretty good movie. Yeah. Okay. Well, L Ron Hubbard young life was not a pretty good movie 'cause he, he pretty much went to kindergarten. He later claimed that while he was in school, he would protect other kids from the bullies, terrorizing his classmates using the lumberjack fighting skills learned from his grandfather was grandfather was not a lumberjack owned a small oil company, but wasn't a lumberjack one of Ron's closest childhood friends. Andrew Richardson stated he never protected nobody. It was all bullshit. Old Hubbard was the greatest con to ever lived, which is more or less true. Ron moved to Seattle after his dad joined the navy when he was like twelve years old, he did join the boy scouts at this point and became an eagle scout at like age thirteen. But there's, no, it's true. That is true. That is true, but there's no evidence that he was the youngest eagle scout ever because back then the boy scouts did not make a note of what age people were with. It became the eagle scouts bookkeeping, bad book. He's outs, but I'm guessing Ron knew that which is why he made the lie. Yeah, but he's good at being a boy scout, I guess. Okay. Not hard lease already an explorer, and we all those a blood brother of a tribe with the blackfoot really prepared him for his merit badges and wiggling and all face lies during his teenage years. His dad was in the navy. So during his teenage years Brown visited him twice for like a month or two each time. So he did get to spend some time in the far east, but it was mostly military bases with his parents. The myth factory, of course that he created later spun this into a series of exotic eastern adventures where he said, you heard the I was trained in the court of kubla Khan by thebenz mystics. He was on vacation with his parents and like China and stuff. He mostly seemed to not enjoy his time in the far east. He thought China was gross and dirty. He thought Chinese people were gross in dirty. We have his diaries from those times and he's not weirdly racist for an American in like nineteen twenty, but he's pretty racist sure pretty racist in mission into time. Scientology book. Though he spun his basic vacation with his parents. In China, into quote in China, he met an old musician whose ancestors had served in the court of kublai Khan and a Hindu, who could hypnotize cats in the high hills of Tibet. He lived with bandits who accepted him because of his honest interest in him and his way of life. So that's fun. Okay. Yeah. So far he saw the great wall of China. His only notes in his notebook about this was that they should make it into a roller coaster shitload of money. So. There's no evidence of him learning any eastern wisdom, but we do know that this is the time when he first started sketching out short stories because he spent a lot of boring time on boats and trains and stuff. It would like a notebook writing out story ideas. Most of them were just like he didn't even write out a lot of stories. It was mostly just him writing out the ideas. So like it'd be entries like love story goes to France, meet swell abroad in Marseilles. She takes them to her sink bedroom and bath where he lives until notable citizens object. He stands them off and takes the next boat for America. Having received a long expected will donation. So it's like weird little stories like that. Most of them involved American travelers meeting beautiful for and women. Again, he's like fourteen, yeah, he didn't seem to know how to write sex scenes. So like the closest to GATT in his first short story was a scene where like a navy Corman is with like a beautiful native woman and they fall in love. But then when he would write out like what they did, he just kept scratching it out to the point that we don't know what he wrote is he apparently wrote a sec. Scene and they're just like furiously erased. It. Like he puts his, oh, God. What is the woman again? All right. Cool. So he's an in cell. It is entirely possible. He did not know what a woman was at that point. Yeah, he was like a fifteen year old in the twenty s yeah, he either knew everything or nothing. He knew that you're supposed to objectify women. He just doesn't know how he was bad at it. Yeah. And that would be like a hallmark of L Ron Hubbard's writing is that especially since a lot of the Pulp Fiction that he became famous for other stories in that John, we're really sexual. That was never a thing. He was good at. Okay that yeah, you heard to here. I L Ron Hubbard couldn't write about, fuck fuck on couldn't. No. Actually, that's not true weirdly enough, which we'll get to later. There's some evidence he actually became pretty good at fucking. Wow. That just make that up. And that's more of his, you know, inventive meal. These are people who didn't like him otherwise, but like on relationships and we're like, he wasn't bad at fucking, can't wait till we get there. Oh, no, it's exciting. This is quite a journey. So after he got back from the far east, he enrolled in George Washington University in the fall of nineteen thirty Scientology publications state that while there he became the associate editor of the university newspaper was a member of many university clubs and societies and enrolled in one of the first nuclear physics courses ever taught in an American University. And several words of that are not entirely incorrect. He did go to George Washington University. He was a student of the school of engineering. He did not take nuclear physics courses because this was nineteen thirty. He was not good at civil engineering. He hated it and usually did not go to class. He did right for the school newspaper, but he was not an editor for it. He just wrote a few articles mostly as PR for the club that he launched, which was the school gliding club. Oh, he loved gliding. Hang gliding. No, it's still exists today as a sport. You don't hear about it much, but they're basically planes. If you saw one park, you would just guess it was a plane, but most of them don't have engines and you can either fling them into the sky with this weird winch system, or you can drop them off the back of an airplane. People can travel across continents in these things. If they're really good at them, you can go hundreds of miles, but they're not really planes. Okay. Because there's no engine yet. There's no engine. It's just about managing your levels, whatnot. I don't know. I'm not a glider pilot, but he was a big fan of that and he did. He was apparently pretty good at it, but he was better at creating a club for it and drilling up interest in it. Soon. He started writing articles for like sportsman's magazine, sportsman aviator, and other magazines like that. We would just lie about, you know, I was in this horrible die of my plane was falling apart and like, yeah, and I had this. I crashed into this barn and so he just made up stories about stuff. He did in this glider plane when in reality he did it for like a year or so. And then he lost his license because he couldn't afford to renew it. And then he never flew again. Okay. But he kept writing articles about flying even after he stopped being able to do it because yeah, sounds like a theme of his fabricating stories. There's usually a germ of truth. He did fly a glider a lot. There was one time where he like crashed glider into a small town. Nobody got hurt and like he wound up having to take off from a nearby hill or something like that, which he then turned into, you know, stories of traveling across the country on a glider and having all these adventures discovering a whole other continent. And. Yeah, so that's Elvin Hubbard and college. His grades were as bad as you'd expect because he usually would skip out on class in order to glide more often. He was studying civil engines, civil engineering, right. Okay. So his, I'd. Yeah, of course. He was bad at it because he thought the great wall of China should be a roller coaster. That was his idea like structures that was that was the first thing he thought seeing the most impressive thing. People that ever built was like, man, but a roller coaster on the son of a bitch. Yeah, l. Ron Hubbard his grades were pretty bad, but during this time, like in nineteen thirty two when he was a sophomore, his school launched a literary journal in he submitted his first finished short story for publication. So this is the first time he got published writing fiction. The story was titled ta after the name of its main character and it was about a twelve year old child soldier in China on a March to die horribly. In a battle, he quickly wrote another short story about another really, really bloody battle this time in naval battle in the Yangtze river be repeatedly described the river is being filled with headless corpses big thing for gore big thing for violence. Most of his early stories involved bloody adventures and fatally Asian settings. So this is his passion clearly see, see the pattern that summer summer of nineteen thirty two L Ron Hubbard decided to launch an expedition of his own. He called it the Caribbean motion picture expedition in convinced a bunch of other young nineteen year old boys to pool their money, so they could rent a boat for the summer and sale to the Caribbean. Their goal was to explore abandoned pirate strongholds and filmed themselves running around in pirate costumes for the presumed historic value of these video children running around pirate costumes. He also said that he wanted to quote, collect whatever one collects for exhibits in museums. Again, not a lot of specifics right about what's going to happen. Loves vagueness. Also Disney's pirates of the Caribbean. The film also sounds like it was based on l. Ron Hubbard. So little bed. A lot of movies based on this game flav. There was a report on his adventure in the school newspaper written by an anonymous writer who was almost certainly a run Hubbard himself. So I'm going to read you that school newspaper article trying to get other kids to join his expedition to the Caribbean. Contrary to popular belief, wind jammer days are not over in romance, refuses to die the death, at least for fifty young gentlemen Rovers who will set sail on the shooter, Doris Hamlin from Baltimore on twentieth June for the pirate haunts of the Spanish main. According to L Ron Hubbard the strongholds and bivouacs of the Spanish main have leaned neglected and forgotten for centuries. And there has never been a concerted attempt to tear apart the jungles to find the castles of teach Morgan buzney Bluebeard kid sharp down there where the sun is whipping up heat waves from the palms. This crew of gentlemen Rovers will reenact the scenes which struck terror into the hearts of the world only a few hundred years ago with the difference that this time it will be for the benefit of the fun and the flickering ribbon of celluloid in their spare time. If they have any, they will scale the heights of belching volcanoes. Hunt in the thick jungles shoot flying fish on the wing, yada, yada, yada, yada. So sounds like a great adventure. The great depression was in tight at this point. So it was like a lot of kids signed up because they're like, well, what else are we going to do? There's no jobs might as well have an adventure sailing around the Caribbean Hubbard claim that FOX movie tone and pathway news had already put in bids for the film rights. He claimed the New York Times had contracted to buy the photographs. So he's basically promising that they would do this expedition and celebrate video and photos, and everybody would get money that was the claim going out there. Now it was all lies. Of course, in Ron Hubbard actually hadn't worked out deals with any media agencies. The New York Times has no record of this. Neither do any of the agencies. He said he'd contracted with. He didn't even have enough money to properly finance the whole expedition. So the doors Hamlin, which did sail out head to return to port about a month early having found no pirate strongholds in film to know movies, the captain Hubbard had hired called the voyage. The worst trip I ever made. Most of the gentleman Rovers jumped ship at the first two ports. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was kind of a disaster good for them. Now. Now abandoning ship, never. You know, the sunk cost fallacy can make fools of us all. Sometimes it's important to get off that boat, which in the third episode of this three part series, there will be a boat that people don't get off of. We'll see what happens when l. Ron Hubbard gets to carry one of his dreams of taking a bunch of people on a boat to the furthest extent. He never gives up this idea. So in September, when everyone's back in school and Hubbard's back from his failed voyage to the Spanish main. L Ron Hubbard wrote an article chronicling his journey for the school newspaper. In this article, the journey was turned into a historic success where everybody got laid. It was all like no girls allowed. It seemed like no choice. Gentleman Rovers yeah, can't can't have a gentle lady Roman. Oh, no, absolutely. Not. No. No, cool. Well, yeah, I would. You have wanted to be on that boat. No. That sounds like a nightmare. I mean, I'll be honest, if at age nineteen, I'd had a chance to get on like a sailing ship and traveled to the Caribbean and pretend to be a pirate. I probably could have been convinced to do it, but I had a lot of dumb shit when I was nineteen. Yeah, yeah. Hubbard wrote in the article when they weren't out catching sharks or harpooning or visiting some colorful spot. They were capably entertained by the dark eyed, senior rita's at the various ports. I'm gonna guess k. he just invented that all the. The article also hailed the scientific achievements of the expedition, which mostly included a bunch of film in specimen donations to the university of Michigan. The university of Michigan has no record of any donations from L Ron Hubbard. Yes. Seeing any trend to yourself are really know you picked up on a pattern? Nope. Well, there isn't one yet. L. Ron Hubbard dropped out of school shortly after getting back from this and we will be getting into all of that. And what happened after he leaves college later in the start of his career, writing terrible Pulp Fiction. But before we get into that gimme good ad segue Caitlyn, hey, everyone stay tuned for more l. Ron Hubbard but until then to check out this ad. That was fantastic, really, really natural. That's the part that most convincing to people. Hi, I'm Robert Evans from behind the bastards. And if you're anything like me, you're scared of people seeing what you do on the internet because you look at a lot of crazy stuff. 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He headed three all of them undertake into study savage peoples and cultures to provide fodder for his articles and stories between nineteen thirty three and nineteen forty one. He visited many barbaric cultures and yet found time to write seven million words of public fact and fiction. No, this is true. He did get published play about two million words, something like that of of mostly fiction. So like he was a prolific writer from thirty three to forty one. He didn't write seven million words. Right? And it's just like gonna find some savage people to write about, and that's one hundred percent lies. He didn't go to Central America. We have no record of any expeditions that he led to study savage peoples and cultures. The fact that he's like these disgusting savages gotta go find out about them and exploit them and their lifestyles. I mean, it's nineteen fifty. Nine. Sure. Calling them. People is almost woke. Good. But obviously right after Hubbard dropped out of school. His dad used his navy connections to get Hubbard a gig doing volunteer work in Puerto Rico for the Red Cross, which I think is the closest to got to a expedition in Central America just not very close to being an expedition central, not at all that this is what I think he's talking about. He immediately abandoned his commitment to the Red Cross as soon as he arrived on the island and instead wandered off into the woods to search for gold. He believed that conquistadors had hidden. They'll run over. He is purely delusional, right? It's hard to say how much of him is just a liar and how much of him is living in a fantasy world because it's clearly a mix of the two because he's not one hundred percent a liar. I can't believe that after having read his story, some of this is he just lives in this whimsical world of this. Mistake, like a negative true information and then like blow at way out of proportion? Yeah. Because like for the rest of his life, he would talk about like how he was a gold prospector, whatnot for a time. It was like you wanted around the jungle and didn't find goals. Yeah, Scientology lore claims that he carried out the first minute or logical survey of Puerto Rico. The put there is again, no evidence of this. He did briefly work for a prospecting company, but he was back in the mainland United States within a few months in April of nineteen thirty three. He married a woman named Polly. He was extensively working as a writer during this period, but Polly later claimed that in the first year together, he probably made less than one hundred dollars. Now, this point he was reading mostly nonfiction later that year he claimed to have found gold on his own land, and there's some news reports of interviews with him about the Goldie found on his land. That appears to have been a lie cooked up for the benefit of his scheme that we don't know the other half of like, I'm gonna soon. He tried to make money off of it. But all we know is there's these articles about him finding gold and no evidence that he ever found gold, right? He was clearly trying something you're not gonna catch the whole story for everyone of this guy schemes. He never was not scheming right. Okay. AB s always always always be scheming nineteen. Thirty four saw. The explosion of the only art form L Ron Hubbard would ever truly master pope fantasy fiction from thirty three to thirty four. Hundreds of new magazine started up around the United States, many of these like weekly magazines that would have like fifteen twenty different stories in them would totally sixty seventy thousand words. So every week they're putting out like a novels worth of short stories, and there's dozens of magazines doing this. So there's a huge amount of hunger in this market for quickly written cheap stories of Cowboys and Indians of gangsters of monster and bear attacks like that sort of stuff sold in this period. So a man capable of ceaseless effortless machine gun repeatedly lying was perfectly. He was built to write really, really quick shitty fiction and and he was good at it up until this point. Like I said, he'd written mostly for sportsman magazines and National Geographic kids. And lying about his expeditions and stuff. Yeah. But as soon as he became aware of the hunger for Pulp Fiction, Lafayette, Ron Hubbard knew what he needed to do for six straight weeks. He wrote one short story per day each between forty five hundred and twenty thousand words, which is an insane rate of productivity. Fathom that can you fathom it if the person writing these never edits, anything never even reads over his own stories. He would just type out a story in one long swoop and then mail it off to a random magazine. So there's nobody like continuity errors and like all kinds of consistency relieve details. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Cool. But who gives a shit, they need stories and most of the didn't even get it like he's just brightening so many stories shitting out this, Chris, horrible, horrible, horrible stories. Also the movie Pulp Fiction was based on. But he certainly wasn't influence because he helped to find the John Rao. His stories had titles like green God, calling squad cars, see things dead men, kill and the carnival of death. Ooh, yeah, I would watch some of those movie. No good at title. Of course he would and he was like he, he certainly wasn't bad for Pulp. Fiction writer, he was definitely in the middle of the pack in terms of quality goes, yeah, but he was mostly famous for just, no one else could write this much. Right. And this does seem to be like his real talent was he could just write like a fucking bazooka. It's it was crazy. Yeah, it's really bad, but I, I don't like pope. It's all really bad. Okay. I enjoy HP lovecraft and he's an objectively bad writer. There's fun ideas in it that are scary, but it's not good writing. Of course not good pacing. Stephen King for that man. Yeah, good stories. Sure, great. Horror writer kind of clunky prose. I've actually not read much if any l. no, I've I read the The Shawshank Redemption. Novella that that one. Yeah. And I think Stephen King is like the good version of l. Ron Hubbard because they both are able to write at surgery. But Stephen King was just like, wow, okay. I can just write stories. People enjoy and not create a cult. I was going to be on cocaine. Now I'm just going to do lots of drugs. Stephen King, not L Ron Hubbard if you have this gift. So Ron Hubbard quickly made a name for himself. In the Pulp Fiction set, he started traveling to New York City regularly and became a fixture among pope writers and editors. He made sure they knew him as quote a real character. He portrayed himself as a bad ass who despite his young age had lived a life full of death, defying adventures, some of these men like the writer, Frank Gruber quickly picked Hubbard out as a bullshit artist, quote, one evening Gruber sat through a long account of Ron's experiences in the rain core, his exploration of the upper Amazon and his years as a white hunter in Africa. At the end of it, he asked with obvious sarcasm, Ron, you're eighty four years old. Aren't you? What the hell are you talking about? Ron? Snapped Gruber waved a notebook in which he had been jotting figures. Well, he said you were in the marines, seven years. You were a civil engineer for six years. You spent four years in Brazil. Three in Africa, you barnstorm with your own flying circus for six years. I've just ended up all the years you did this and that comes to eighty four. Good on him. Good him out on his bullshit, but he's still liked Hubbard like even the people pretty much everyone knew he was full of shit for the most part, but they entr. He was fun to be around like his stories were usually entertaining he. He was. He was an interesting guy. Most people seem to like him. All right, yeah. For a while, his career went pretty well in nineteen. Thirty five, Columbia motion pictures, paid him to write a fifteen part film story called the secret of Treasure Island. We would was played in like fifteen different days or something like that during like Saturday morning, man as services like it was a little sequential thing. And this is the only Hollywood thing he was ever involved with. But for the rest of his life, he would claim to be a Hollywood screenwriter and just claimed he had written famous movies that he didn't right. And that there's no evidence he had anything to do with. That's gonna just start doing. Yeah. Yeah. The church of Scientology says he was one of the legends of Hollywood's golden age. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. So yeah, just lie. Yeah, lie claiming you wrote great movies. All right guys, everyone I I wrote the godfather part two. Oh, that was used me produced it. Oh, yeah, we should already know. I mean, I could actually claim that pretty easily. I don't even have to change my name. So the reality is that he tried to start a career as a screenwriter in Hollywood, but he couldn't hack it in. So he moved back east to write more trashy Pulp Fiction in the woods with his wife. He developed a number of pseudonyms for his work with various publications names like Winchester. Remington Colt currently. Just like gun gun gut. Kotze. Gut? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Colt forty five was the most famous handgun in the world at the time I heard that Colt not no, no, no, no. It was three guns gun gun gun gun gun gonna wits. Kurt von Rockin was another, which I think was just like a bad ass sounding German name, Rene Lafayette, which is at least half his real name. Yeah, Joe blitz and legionnaire one forty eight. Okay. Okay. So good name. These are. No, he's got some gifts. Yeah, he's got some gifts. Yeah, is like Asimov like a lot of his fiction. So like he gained some respect within the community. He certainly wasn't seen it was like the worst who's one of the most prominent names in the Pulp Fiction universe. At that point, people talked mostly though about like the rate of speed at which he was able to put out stories. There were rumors that he typed using one incredibly long piece of paper at a time that each story was just one massive scroll that he would roll up when he was done. There were rumors that he built his own keyboard with single keys for the words that he used most often just typed so fast, especially a very smart if that's true, which I don't think it is no evidence. That's smart. Yeah, it would have been smart if he'd done it, ever made enough money to get his own now, custom typewriter. There were stories that editors would just send messengers to his hotel room with cover art and then wait outside while he wrote a story to go with the cover art. So he would just like reverse engineer stories based on these early stories about him, and it's not hard to believe, given the rate at which he produced for sure. Twenty thousand words in a day is insane. I can't even rain three words a day. This script is about eighteen thousand words, and I wrote it in two days and that was a lot of writing so brag. Okay. Well, join my coat just joined Michael. I'm already there baby. Okay. Well, I need a boat. We're going to. I got a whole. I have got a whole abouts. You know what? Not just gentleman Rovers on my boat trip to the Caribbean, where we pretend to be, you're going to let women to how how progressive I want to be able to scam twice as many people, of course. Yeah, absolutely. So obviously, Hubbard eventually turned from writing, you know, adventure tales and cop dramas to writing cheesy science fiction. This is sort of the period in the mid thirties when Sifi starts to blow up as genre. And he was heard of the golden age of science fiction. He wrote alongside guys like already noted, Isaac Asimov, but Robert Hyland else broad the camp. He was like one of the founders of popular science fiction and in nineteen thirty eight. When his writing career was near a tight, he wrote a book called Excalibur, which he never showed to anybody, but constantly claimed was going to change the world. Yeah, Excalibur was a work of philosophy, not a fiction, and it was Hubbard claimed a work of such breathtaking philosophic brilliance that drove everyone who read it to commit suicide. That's why he says he couldn't show it to anybody, the lock it in a Bank vault because people killed themselves when they read as amazing book. Could even that. Okay. Yeah, I can only I can't imagine just wrote a book, so good people shoot themselves. You know that feeling when you finish a really good book and then you go buy a gun. Yeah, yeah, three guns Remington. The other one one name for each of the guns. You'll have to buy when you finish his his amazing book. Some people claim. They actually read copies of this back in thirty eight. Some people claim. He never wrote it. We don't really know if he ever wrote a book and showed it to some people and then shelf did or if it was all the light of again with people who claim that they read drafts of it said that its whole focus was about like the need to survive. That was Hubbard's big. The survival instinct was his big philosophical focus. The thing it was, yeah. So it's like, here's how to survive, but then it drives people to kill them for some reason. Yeah, we don't know what he wrote in the book, but he wrote about the book to a number of people including his wife and in nineteen thirty eight. He wrote her a letter about it. That includes this paragraph to provide some insight. This is Hubbard's writing. The entire function of man is to survive the outermost limit of endeavors creative work. Anything less is too close to simple survival until death happens along. So I'm engaged in striving to maintain equilibrium sufficient to at least realize survival in a way to astound the gods. I turn the thing up, so it's up to me to survive in a big way foolishly perhaps but determined nonetheless, I have high. Hopes for smashing, my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form even if all books are destroyed, that goal is the real goal is far as I am concerned. So this is kind of accomplished is she sure did. No, no, this is way it's hard to hate them. This is a man who set a goal to smash his name in the history did it, and he did in a really shitty scary way, but. Not a failure. I live near L Ron Hubbard lane is a street in Los Angeles. The building we're in, we'll probably do the video later, but the giant church of Scientology building is like right off of our balcony and stuff like he definitely smashed his name into history. And that was his goal at age twenty seven in nineteen thirty eight. So there you go. In the late nineteen thirties, L Ron Hubbard bought a boat in convinced the explorers club to let him carry their flag on a radio. Experimental expedition with his wife. The journey did achieve some useful scientific ends and did help better map the route up to Alaska. So that's nice. Ron's on Marnie suspected. The trip was mainly an excuse for him to convince various companies doubt fit his boat for free because he would write to all of them saying, I'm gonna do this expedition you to send me free shit, which is smart. He got a lot of free shit. His boat did breakdown in Alaska, and he spent most of the trip hanging out at a radio station in a small town in Alaska lying about fighting German saboteurs and grizzly bears and stuff. So again, still spent most of his time lying but did achieve some minor scientific goals. Gotta commend him for that. His second expedition worked a lot better than his first. That's hard to argue with Ron Hubbard did serve his country in World War Two. The exact extent of his service is somewhat open for debate. The official church of Scientology line is that he was commissioned before the war in was present in the Philippines, when Japan invaded he was the first. American casualty in the far east flown home in the secretary of the navy's own airplane. He served in five different theaters of the war in received twenty two medals. I'm going to guess how much of that's true. I would say maybe five percent. None of it, none of it. No, he did enlist before the war. Okay, that's that's the only that's true. He didn't see any combat. He was supposed to have been in the Philippines, and if he had actually been sent there, he might have wound up fighting the Japanese in the Philippines, which would have been a hell of a thing. But while he was on his way to Manila, his commanding officers decided they hated him so much that they sent him home. His, here's his personnel file. This officer is not satisfactory for independent duty assignment. He has garrulous and tries to give impressions of his importance. He also seems to think he has unusual ability in most lines. These characteristics indicate that he will require close supervisions for satisfactory performance of any intelligence duty. He's just like going around, like telling us stupid stories to like anyone who will listen. It was like, get this fucking guy, and then he was lying like actual military intelligence people like no get this guy. We don't want this guy anywhere near a fights, get him the fuck away on them. The military there. Yeah, that said he was better at tricking. Other people in the military should have done. If he did see combat is just give his book Excalibur to all the enemies. And then they would just kill themselves, airdrop, Excalibur could've. We could've used that instead of the nukes those over Japan and in the war we could give him one to Hitler. Dammit l. Ron your gift. So after this, he was sent back to a training center in Georgetown Maine, where he lied and told everyone that he had served extensively on destroyers. His instructors believed him and he became the classroom source for information on destroyer piloting. Even though he had never been in one, he just lied about it. Eventually, Lieutenant Hubbard talked his way into command of an anti-submarine boat, a corvette, the US eight one five talked to the command of a little boat like a PT boat, like a little bitty boat meant to hunt submarines, eight or nine guys on it. But he did talk his way into getting a boat. Wow, he loves boats. He really loves. That's not good with them really bad with the match, but he loves both. The church of Scientology essentially put out fake military paperwork about L Ron Hubbard service. And then journalists went to the actual military, which confirmed like, no, there's no evidence of giving him doing, but according to the church of Scientology's fake military documents for part of the war, Mr. Hubbard was in command of a squadron of corvettes in nineteen forty three, the vessel under his direct command eight. One five was engaged in an action which resulted in the sinking of one Japanese submarine and the disabling of another this incident which took place off the coast of Oregon was described by Mr. Hubbard and a report that he sent to the commander in chief of the Pacific fleet sounds really impressive. Taken out to Japanese subs pretty cool, pretty significant contribution to the war effort protecting Oregon, Oregon's great except for all the racists. So shit that racist line really threw me offers. Second, we're gonna talk about what actually happened in L Ron Hubbard's epic, naval battle with what may have been Japanese submarines, but almost certainly was something interesting. We're going to talk about that in a while. But first Caitlyn, do you love products? You know what? I, I love this product that you're about to hear about. Let's listen to a. 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They did attack a place on the Oregon coast near this time. So everybody was like freaked out and paranoid and Hubbard was sailing down from Oregon and essentially thought that he had sighted a submarine and started dropping depth charges on it and called and other boats for backup in for two days l. Ron Hubbard in like five ships were just bombing the shit out of what he said was Japanese submarines. Nobody else actually dropped any bombs because they, they didn't find anything they were just like sailing around will run Hubbard bombed the ocean at random. It's probably just like a family on a dot and he's like the enemy. It's even better than that. So the navy had a Admiral, Frank Fletcher, who was the operational commander during the battle of midway like a very serious. Admiral dude, investigate the so-called action in which Hubbard had taken out to submarines because Hubbard when he got back to base claim that he destroyed one submarine in winded another most likely actual research found out that what had happened is there was just a magnetic iron ore deposit on the sea floor that had food with his instruments, and he'd spent two days and dropped more than one hundred depth charges on the lump of metal. Lieutenant Hubbard was furious when his commanders wouldn't recognize the heroism displayed in recklessly bombing, the ocean. Now, this was not a great move for his career. The navy doesn't like it. When you bomb the ocean, think is a is a prospector. He would understand at deposit of metal, but if he was a real prospector, yeah. So the good news is that he had an opportunity to redeem himself a couple of weeks later when he recklessly Sheldon uninhabited Mexican island, and then ordered his men to fire their weapons into the water around the island. Officially, he says, this was an unapproved gunnery training exercise Mexico said it was an American boat firing wildly on Mexican land. And so they weren't happy with this. So Hubbard lost his boat as a result of attacking Mexico. He loves boats, the Admiral who looked over listen, reassigned him rated him as below average in said that he should be put on a large boat where he could be properly supervised. So for the rest of the war, he would spend more time in naval hospitals than serving on ships while he. Claim to Robert Heinlein and his other writer friends that he'd been some four times and wounded repeatedly. There's no evidence that he ever suffered any service related injuries. He did come down with a duodenal ulcer during his time in the military, but that's about it. Nothing is the result of combat. What is that just an ulcer of your in your guts, guts. Okay. Yeah. So after the war, L Ron Hubbard would spend most of his time lying about several and verifiable service related injuries to the VA in order to get more disability benefits. I spent years doing this. This was most of his writing in the first two years after the war was lying to the VA about the extent of his injuries to try to get more money out of them words a day. Yeah. Yeah. Money. He did eventually get a forty percent disability payment, but it was it was for nonsense. So right around this time, he abandoned his wife to hang out in a black magic sex mansion in Pasadena. What do you mean. That's weird to you. Okay. Those is a lot of information. It is. Okay. You'd expect it to be more interesting than it really his wife to hang out and black magic sex Colt sex mansions, sex mansion. There's this guy named Jack persons. Who was you've heard of Alister Crowley? No. Okay. Alastair Croly was like a Philemon this like black magic sort of thing. He was a magic guy. He wrote a bunch about it. He was very prominent in that industry and like one of his industries, they're on where it, but whatever the magic string one, the magic industry. One of his acolytes was a guy named Jack Parsons who was like a rich kid who owned a mansion in Pasadena, and they touch briefly on this in going clear a, yeah, it's it's weird in murky. I don't think Hubbard ever believed much of it, but Hubbard wanted to fuck the ladies that Jack parson had around him because Jack was like, had a poly-amorous thing going on because it was like, we we're beyond, you know, all the constraints and Hubbard Hubbard just went in there to like Steelers girlfriends, basically install twenty thousand dollars from. Because he got Parsons to invest in a yacht company and then just bought a yacht for himself and the girlfriend the boat out to move away. So we lived on a yacht for a while until he had to sell it. Yeah, the whole black magic sex mentioned thing isn't as interesting as it ought to be. They did try to summon the anti Christ. Yeah, but it was kind of boring to be honest bummer. Yeah. Yeah, you would have hoped for more of a tail there, but I think it's all nonsense. So on August tenth, nineteen. Forty, six. He married the woman that he had taken away from this black magic sex mansion the twenty one year old. Sara Northrup. He married her thirty miles away from where he married his first wife, Polly thirteen years ago. He was still technically married to Polly. So this was bigamy, but he's not like actively living with both of them. He's just he never before? No, he he. He never told his first wife what he just ran away. She had no idea where he was. I mean, we'll go huband in their kids to they had like two kids. Yeah, he just abandoned his kids in his family stole a guy's money to buy a yacht, and then. Twenty one year old. They really dodged a bullet that first family of his, they did you get the feeling she's angry that he's a creep, you don't get the feeling. They feel like they missed out on not having run hovered around. During this time after he wed, Sarah Hubbard started selling more stories. Again, got back into writing Pulp Fiction. He sold several stories to an editor named Sam Merwin who said of him quote, I found him a very amusing guy and bought several stories from him. He was really quite a character. I always knew he was exceedingly anxious to hit big money. He used to say he thought the best way to do it would be the start a cult. So this is like nineteen Forty-six. The first time when Hubbard you know, starts putting out feelers that like he wants to start his own religion boats called the coke. Moving up where the money is. He eventually moves up to boat Colt. Right. The whole, the whole journey. Yeah. On April fourteenth nineteen. Forty, seven, Ron's first wife, Polly filed for divorce on the grounds that her husband had abandoned her and their children seems pretty fair fair. She had no idea who he was living with. She had no idea. He was already married to somebody else, but that changed three weeks later when Ron moved into the home, he'd once occupied with his first wife with a second wife. His family was furious about this because his mom and dad had been taken care of his first wife and their kids and putting them up so they they're really angry about this. This is kind of win his aunt Marnie soured on him. Well, we loved him as a child, but he's a perfect stranger to us now. So I'm glad they realized that seems to have changed in late nineteen. Forty, seven, L Ron Hubbard met the man who had become his lifelong literary agent Forrest Ackerman after their first meeting Hubbard drove forest home and told him along and insane story about how he died on the operating table and visited heaven. He would claim a number of times in his life to visited heaven. He wants to be visited heaven, six or seven million years apart. He and multiple lives. Here's how forest recalled L Ron Hubbard driving him home telling him about is yet. I remember he had an old rattled trap of a car and he was chewing tobacco as he drove you with open the tour with one hand and squirt tobacco juice set under their. When we got to my apartment, we sat outside in the car. Will he continued with the story? It was after five o'clock in the morning and the sun was coming up before he had finished. Okay. And then he was like better Representative sky as his literary age. I think he was like, this is a mother fucker who can tell the story. Yeah, I think he made a lot of money off. So Hubbard told Ackerman about Excalibur his suicide inducing visionary philosophy now I almost forgot. Yeah, almost forgot. Don't worry. He never did. He claimed it had been rejected by publishers quote. He was told it was too radical too much of a quantum leap. If it had been a variation of Freud or young or Ostler a bit of an improvement here or there it would have been acceptable, but it was just too far ahead of everything else. He also said that SE shopped the manuscript around the people who read it either went insane or committed suicide. The last time he showed it to a publisher. He was sitting in an office waiting for a reader to give his opinion. The reader walked into the office, tossed the manuscript on the desk and then threw himself out the window. Ron would not tell me much about Excalibur except that if you read it, you would find all fear would be totally drained from you. I could never see what was wrong with that or why it would cause anyone to commit suicide. Right? Yeah. Also, this is going to be my excuse as a is a failed screenwriter. I'm just going to like, well by screenplays are really good in. They just get rejected because people die. Okay. Hubbard continued to sell Sifi short stories during this period making just enough money to stay alive, but not quite enough to live comfortably or stay in one place with his new wife. His most successful series was the old doc Methuselah adventures. These are futuristic tales about a space, traveling physician adventure with an alien sidekick, slave who cries whenever the doctor tries to free him. It does seem that these might have been influenced doctor who, but I don't know that, but it was about like an immortal doctor traveling through the universe solving mysteries and stuff with a sleigh with a slave. Yeah, it may may have been pretty popular l. Ron wasn't exactly a genius, but he was probably one of the ten most notable names in science fiction at this time. At some point, he earned the attention of John w Campbell who was very famous editor. He's some people call him the father of science fiction. Yeah, Mary Shelley's probably the mother and founder of the discipline, but he was the editor of astounding science fiction, like most of the greats of the scifi golden age worked with him, and he was apparently really, really, really good editor and he liked l. Ron Hubbard. But his work with Ron would be something outside of the scifi genre c Hubbard at this time decided that he didn't wanna keep writing short stories and dime store novels. He wanted the respect. He thought he was entitled as a philosopher. So in January of nineteen forty nine l. Ron Hubbard wrote a letter to his agent and promised him a book on philosophy. Here's how bare faced messiah summed it up. Ron promise that among the handy household hints contained in the book was information on how to quote rape women without their knowing it communicates suicide messages to your enemies as they sleep. So the Arroyo Seco Parkway to the mayor for cash and evolve the best way of protecting or destroying communism. He had not decided he added casually whether to destroy the Catholic church or. Merely start a new one. There's a lot in that paragraph. Yeah. How do you even start on Pak that? I mean, some of that is like nineteen forty. Nine people would be like, oh yeah, teach guys out of rape Shaw. It's the forties. Everyone was terrible. Is just garbage year. Buckle up. Not get more pro woman. Actually, I'll say this for L Ron Hubbard. I kept expecting him to be a rapist. I have no evidence that he was a rapist. All right, no accusations or anything like that, which you really expect with these guys really do, especially if he's taking that sort of especially saying that sorta stance. Well, also society's understanding of what rape was back then was different. Later that year rumors began to spread in the science fiction community that L Ron Hubbard was up to something new. He was planning to reveal a new science of the mind. Something that didn't seem as odd to people then as it does to us. Now, science fiction in already developed an uncanny reputation for predicting the future. Science fiction writers had been the ones who sort of called nuclear bombs and stuff like that had been predicted. So head space travel and everything by science fiction writers. So there was a real belief in the community that like something brilliant was going to be borne out of all this fiction. So they were ready for a Sifi author to create a new science like that. Didn't seem crazy to people like nowadays, someone's like the air about this new science fiction writer whose launching a science. Okay. Okay. That's not where you do it, right? Yeah, that December of nineteen forty nine. John Campbell published in editor in the December issue of astounding science fiction. He revealed the imminent release of L Ron Hubbard's new science Dianetics done. Don Don Don Don quote from John Campbell. Its power is almost unbelievable. It proves the mind not only can, but does rule the body completely following the sharply-defined basic laws set forth physical ills such as odors asthma and arthritis can be cured as can all other psychosomatic ills. So John Campbell was a believer because l. Ron Hubbard had already used his revolutionary new science to cure the editors chronic sinusitis. Okay. Most of the work of Dianetics revolved around sitting down with an auditor in remembering old traumatic incidents from ones past Campbell believed Hubbard had taken him back to the moment of his birth, which somehow fixed his nose. I don't know. He believed it in mid nineteen fifty before the publication of his book on Dianetics L Ron Hubbard attended the last meeting of his life is a simple science fiction writer who was a convention in Newark, a sort of prototype for Comecon, like events of today during the meeting, Hubbard is reported to have said writing for a penny. A word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars the best way to do would be to start his own religion. In April of nineteen fifty Campbell teas that coming in June, a sixteen thousand word article and Dianetics would be in the magazine titled Dianetics and introduction to a new science in his hype article. Campbell related the story of an amputee veteran who Hubbard had saved basically claim that like this guy had been hit by a mortar shell and like while the medics were coming through afterwards, there were like this guy's hopeless. He's better off dead anyway. And then he wound up surviving, but he like wanted to kill himself. 'cause the this he had read Excalibur no, no, because the memory of these medic saying that he was better off dead had gotten lodged in his brain, and that was what Dianetics was all about is bad memories get misfiled in your brain and you have to go through with this auditing therapy and refile them basically. So Hubbard in Campbell, succeeded in wangling support from an actual medical doctor for their science. You gotta remember nineteen forty, nine sciences, and it's pretty rudimentary, it's not an exact science. There's a lot of nonsense going on in science and guide. Dr winter sits in on several auditing sessions because they would run. Auditing sessions on just Sifi fans that Campbell brought in performing quasi psychiatry on strangers who walked in off the street and just like reading science fiction. But yeah, eventually Dr. Winter agreed to go through a session himself in found it really compelling. He added that in the other patients he'd observed, the changes were obvious and people seem to be cheerful and relaxed and feel better after they got out of Dianetics session. So he figured maybe there's something do this like the seems like it might be a real science. It really seems like what was going on as psychotherapy was pretty new as a discipline. At this point assure in Dianetics which just sort of repackaging psychotherapy with different names, but like there's a benefit in sitting down with your friends and talking about you're talking about your feeling. Yeah, that's what he was doing. So that's what people found benefit with because like nineteen forty, nine people didn't talk about their feelings. Men didn't talk fees. So there was a benefit to this. It wasn't Hubbard's genius. It was just the benefit of sitting down and talking about your feelings. Dr winter actually tried to publish an article on Hubbard's methods, but the journal of the AMA and the American journal psychiatry both rejected his papers. They said that he and Hubbard had neglected to provide any clinical evidence that their techniques worked. In fact, it seemed that they were just ripping off the basic techniques of psychotherapy, giving everything new names and making wild claims about repressed memories. Many scifi fans, though we're interested in this new science being launched via phantom, although several fans wrote to Campbell to complain that all he wrote about now with Dianetics for the most part, people seemed really excited as as a mauve though did read an early copy of the Dianetics article and proclaim it gibberish not everybody was onboard in may of nineteen fifty. The science of Dianetics was released in the form most befitting, a serious new scientific discipline, a science fiction fantasy Pulp Fiction magazine, here's the cover of the issue where Dianetics was announced to scrub the cover of that astounding science fiction magazine. With the new science being launched in it, it's this man appears to have hair all over his body. It's drawing alien. Yeah, it's like he very agro looking man was for. He's appears to be wearing like a mask over his is his cat like is. Yeah. Yeah. He is crossing his arms. He's very angry about something. And yeah, just he looks like a creature, slush alien slashed werewolf. Yeah. In most of the magazine that week was just a bunch of random science fiction stories. This was from the helping hand, I guess, about some alien coming to earth to help or or whatever the article that launch Dianetics was also in this magazine in the article Hubbard explained that the brain was basically like a computer and likely computer. It has the potential to operate with perfect recall and recollection mental illness was caused by memories that it essentially gotten misfiled in the brain, and you could refile everything. You can make brains function perfectly and you'd remember everything. And just human beings could be perfected by this new mental science that L Ron Hubbard had essentially developed. So yeah, he called these memories. They got misfiled in grams. And so like if a child got bitten by a dog when he was too, she might not remember getting bitten by the dog, but the Ingraham would be stuck in her and it could be. Stimulated by sights and sounds that were similar to what had been going on around her when the dog better and that could cause distress. The purpose of Dianetic theory was essentially to gain access to the in grams and what he called the reactive memory banks of the mind and refile them in the analytical part of the mind. So you wouldn't react to them a logically. So that was how he justified the science behind Dianetics sounds like nonsense because it is nonsense. Now. Hubbard claimed that if the earliest in grams in the brain which usually happened around childbirth could be located in refiled person's analytical mind would reach new heights at productivity and success. Individuals who cleared their earliest in grams would be called clear and they would have perfect memory recall in a total immunity from all psychological illnesses. Many physical wants to in may of nineteen fifty Dianetics the modern science of mental health reach bookstores across the nation. It's publisher Hermitage house only printed six thousand copies for its first run. They were not expecting a major success. The book was a guide for to carry out auditing sessions as described by Hubbard and. Campbell in the readers on home Hubbard was basically, yeah, providing address up guide for people to perform unlicensed psychotherapy on their friends and family. Very safe. Yeah, Dianetics. The book was a profoundly anti-woman terrorist greed. A feminist icon feminist icon l. Ron Hubbard claimed that attempted abortions were the single most common cause of pre birth. In grams quote, a large proportion of allegedly feeble minded. Children are actually attempted abortion cases, however, many billions America's spins yearly. I've institutions for the insane and jails for criminals are spent primarily because of attempted abortions done by some sex block mother, to whom children are a curse, not a blessing of God. All these things are scientific facts tested and recheck and tested. Again. He's like a pro life pro rape again, feminist icon. All right. He believed that other Ingraham's came for abusive husbands. For example, if a husband beat his pregnant wife and yelled take it, take it. I tell you've got to take the child might interpret those words literally and become a thief because take it Zo Ron Hubbard. He thought a pregnant woman suffering from constipation might sit on the toilet and you know, be in horrible pain and go, oh, this is hell. I'm all jammed up inside. I feel so stuffy. I can't think this is too terrible to be born. And so the child would think that they were so terrible. They didn't deserve to be born because their mom couldn't poop specific thing for him to write. She likes to what a woman leads say, yes, so. Okay, that's great. Really interesting. He thought a lot of prenatal in grams. And in fact, the worst prenatal in grams were caused by women cheating on their husbands because he assumed that a woman cheating on her husband would talk shit about her husband to her lover and that the fetus developing would hear this. And since many kids had the same names as their fathers, he would think that his mom was talking about. About him. Weird, right? You know how fetuses understand language perfectly. That's that's what they're most famous for. This is new language skills. Many of these ideas are still present in Scientology today, for example, about a second worth googling, brought me to a Scientology parent website and a page on that website titled why silent birth? It quotes Ron Hubbard a woman who wants her child to have the best possible chance. We'll find a doctor who will agree to keep quiet, especially during the delivery and Hulu insist upon silence being maintained in the hospital delivery room as far as is humanly possible. Because of course, any yelling during birth would give the child and the doctor's like, come on now, push the fetus. The baby is going to be like, oh, I'm supposed to push people down. Exactly. You know, just be Shelvin. Yeah, and that's why our streets are filled with covers Syrian shelving people every day because I was given birth ABS always be shoving. Scheming and Chavez gaming and shopping. Both important Dianetics was not an instant success, but within the first couple of weeks of publication, it spread very widely enough to earn bestseller status in provoke its first negative. Press the New York Times wrote bad stuff about it, a reviewer from new Republic savaged. It basically claimed it was it was nonsense whatever makes sense in his discoveries does not belong to him. And his own theory appears to this reviewer as a paranoiac system, which would be of interest as part of a case history, but which seems quite dangerous when offered for mass consumption. Is that therapeutic technique? Probably fair someone knew what they were talking about. Yeah. All the experts were like, this is bad idea. The reviewer also noted that in addition to being able to cure psychosomatic illness, Hubbard claimed Dianetics could treat cancer and diabetes. The experts of course cried out that this was dangerous nonsense, but no one listened Hubbard sold fifty, five thousand copies in the first two months after release. He was finally rich. So in thirty nine, short years, I'll run Hubbard had gone from fake blood brother of the blackfoot Indian tribe to a fake war hero. Real trash novelist and had now ascended. The lofty heights of a pop psychiatry guru. Dianetics was officially a fat, but Hubbard had a plan to keep this fed going long past. It's rational expiration date, and that is what we're going to get into in part two. Yeah, we haven't even gotten to the establishment of Scientology I know, or the establishment of his boat Colt. I'm so much more call so much more to get into Caitlyn Durante. You wanna plug your plug up holes. I would simply love to you can listen to my podcast, the Bechtel cast at how stuff works follow us on Twitter and Instagram at Petco cast, and you can follow me on those places as well at Caitlyn. Toronto and you can find me on Twitter at I right. Okay. Find this podcast on the internet at behind the bastards dot com. Pictures that wonderful issue the science and yeah, check us out on Instagram, Twitter at bastards pod. You can buy our t shirts on t. public behind the bastards. So go do that. Wash your brains off, come back tomorrow and here another hour or so about Ron Hubbard being fucking nut bar. It's going to be great. Then. 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Ransomware in industrial control systems. Phone hacks, proved and unproved. Britains compromise decision on Huawei. Wawa cards in the Jokers Stash. CardPlanet boss pleads guilty.

The CyberWire

21:31 min | 1 year ago

Ransomware in industrial control systems. Phone hacks, proved and unproved. Britains compromise decision on Huawei. Wawa cards in the Jokers Stash. CardPlanet boss pleads guilty.

"Snake ransomware appears to have hit industrial control systems and may be connected to Iran on the verdict on the Saudi hack of. Mr Bezos is phone seems to stand at not proven but the kingdom does seem to have used Pegasus intercept tools against journalists and critics the regime neither the US nor China are happy with Britain's decision on wall way cards from the Wa wa breach are on sale in the jokers Stash and card planets boss Oss will do some federal time. It's time to take a moment to tell you about. Our sponsor recorded future recorded future is the real time threat. 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Learning defendant correct with deep learning anticipate with artificial intelligence McAfee. The device the cloud cybersecurity company go to McAfee dot com slash insights from the cyber wire studios at data tribe. I'm I'm Dave Bittner with your Cyber Wires Summary for January Twenty Ninth Twenty Twenty Oh Tori Oh and Israeli. Security firm says that a strain of ransomware called snake is both linked to Iran and probably implicated in the recent attack on Bahrain Petroleum Company Bloomberg reports that snake prospects suspects many kinds of files but it's notably interested in process controls. Many of the control systems. It's been observed to go after our. Ge Products but as GE points out the snake is an exclusively or even distinctly interested in GE systems but to take the firm's report on how the ransomware operates when it does encounter some g systems according to Torio Snake Terminates a GE digital prophecy server critical process specifically typically one that enables connectivity to prophesy HMO skater manufacturing execution and enterprise manufacturing intelligence systems process termination a nation causes troubles in plant operation. The termination lists snake uses is similar to the one used by Mega CORTEX ransomware. And this too seems seems consistent with Iran's operational style use proven malware and tailor it as necessary to a particular target Torio thinks. The attackers motive is economic mkx warfare in particular an attempt to influence oil prices. The matter of Mr Bezos is phone in the crown. Prince's texts is increasingly regarded as is inconclusive. At best circumstantial something seems to have been going on. A more thorough look would be necessary to determine what might have been see see for example eras blog on the topic which contains clear and convincing discussion of why some of the apparent anomalies like those involving the size of video files really aren't anomalies at all so the evidence comes down to Saudi means motives and opportunity but the verdict has to be so far not proved in contrast with all of this citizen labs his account of Saudi Pegasus use against journalists. Seems to be holding up Ben Hubbard The New York Times reporter order. Who brought a suspicious tax to citizen labs attention offers an account of his experience an? So group told Mr Hubbard when he gave them a screen shot of the suspicious tax that it wasn't there Pegasus tool but they declined to say how they knew that an S. O.. Group has commented publicly to the effect that it's premature to blame every case of spy by where on them there. Are they correctly. Point out a number of other tools out there either on the market or developed in house that can give interested parties look into devices interest an. So group have been among the more prominent names in the field but it's far from being the only one reaction in within the US government to Britain's decision to allow way to play in it's five G. infrastructure but only in non-core sections has been decidedly Sour v with domain offers a representative sample of congressional opinion and the judgments are harsh. They include they've chosen surveillance state over the special relationship or allowing wall way to build the UK's five G. networks today like allowing the KGB to build its telephone network during the Cold War. The nicest comment was simply league disappointed. There's been some congressional harrumphing about scaling back on trans-atlantic intelligence cooperation. But what if anything that will amount to remains unclear. It's unclear because the effects of British policy are themselves so far unclear too much will depend upon how non-core comes to be defined signed and on how confident technical authorities are that they can exclude the risk of alway- equipment from the core components of the infrastructure for now high risk vendors and that's a euphemism for Galway will be excluded from core infrastructure and kept physically away from military installations and nuclear facilities. They'll also so be limited to no more than thirty five percent of the total market share a Bloomberg op. Ed calls the British policy close to fudge but actually something that amounts is to a workable. Compromise it's not what the US wanted but while way isn't going to be happy about it either that there is a risk isn't seriously in question how well well that risk can be managed and the threat contained is the question. US Secretary of State pompeo is in the UK for talks this week. The matter of wow way will surely early figure in among the agenda and after having waited to see which way the cat would jump the European Union enunciated essentially the same policy with with respect to wall way participation in member states infrastructure that Britain adopted yesterday as C. Magazine reports several of the twenty eight members that that is twenty eight until the tally drops to twenty seven over this coming weekend as Britain. BREXIT's well they've already put restrictions in place against while way France for for example won't allow way antennas anywhere near to Lou. Why Tulu that's where Airbus is and French? Intelligence and security services aren't stupid did about industrial espionage researchers have been tracking a specific vulnerability known as past the Hash. It's not just something you might have heard heard at a party on a college. Campus back in the sixties. It's a serious security issue Dan. Conrad is field. Strategist at security firm. One identity. A A few years back to customer started asking me for Mitigations for pass the Hash. I had to look back at my brain. Thank I heard about this in a long time. I remember Komo jump on the Google. Refresh my brain on how it works looking back you know. It's dates back to Windows. Nt Days when we were using. What len manager ashes to give yourself a single sign on experience and the way it works now? Is You know it's still there. Because we got the capability to fall back in windows environment to abuse that that form of single sign up and what it is it's basically a way to elevate privileges based on residual credential so scenario would look like maybe a typical fishing attack where. A user's workstation gets compromise through phishing attack which has its own issues. The remote entity will gain control of a workstation may be something point of sale machine maybe a laptop that travels and create a. You know a problem that somebody needs to log on to fix somebody with elevated lady permissions log on fix that problem. It leaves a Hash in the registry. And so do you have a sense. For how prevalent this is these. Today's sort of so in reality. You may not truly know isn't awareness of you if you've been breached right so the concept concept of the robbery in the walls cereal familiar with that from other you know from hacking is firmer exploits A mindset now that the attackers are already in the walks ops so with that kind of concept we don't really know what we don't now so organization may have been a breached with pass the Hash but not even know about it. Some of them have been subject to ransomware as a result of that. But you know beyond that how would they relieve. And and so what are your recommendations would are good mitigations for this. There's there's some complicated ways to solve the problem. You know Microsoft soft actually recommended something called the enhanced security administrative environment which is a multi tiered forest architecture of active directory that is designed to compartmentalize heart memorized privileges. So that you've got workstations which are probably one of your most vulnerable resources in the environment running all over the place. A highly mobile workforce all over the world there at one tier. And then you get enterprise assets at another tier and then up above that you've got your top Tier Enterprise assets that would control everything with a trust relationship that points up only trusting out but not down so that's fairly complex to implement and the concept there is that no credentials answer would be valid across multiple plates so that you don't have to worry about you know if a hash was compromised in workstation environment. It doesn't really affect you know the top Tier Enterprise. That's difficult to implement for lots of reasons. The political side of that is difficult technical side the policy side. It's very difficult and it's very difficult to do any technical implementation of that policy if that makes sense so what are the takeaways here in terms arms of people using this information in a practical way what do you recommend is is one of trying to influence human behavior right so and as we typically no the the human element of Emmy any cybersecurity practices the most difficult to get your hands around whether it's social engineering or changing the way users operator changing administrators investor. I've been assists admin for many many years and changing my behavior I know during those days was was difficult. I was resistant to change The same concept is here. So if we can make socialize vulnerability here of these types of taps PAT's and he's not even these types of attacks by getting control of privilege in general. You know you look at the default admin passwords and things like that that have been a vulnerability in you the of many breaches get control of these administrative credentials and living in realizing that this actually matters even if it's something as simple as an IOT device that has a built Hilton Avid Password. The concept of getting control of those that can influence the rest of your network really needs to be grasped by both the administrators and the users. The work that I've learned in the last couple of years is being willing to change your behavior to behave more security so as we learn which age that's Dan Conrad from one identity Wa wa. The convenience store and gas station chain well known to all of us here. In the mid Atlantic disclosed disclosed last month that it had been the subject of criminal cyber attack that began in March was discovered on December tenth and was contained on December twelve. It now appears that at the breach was larger and more consequential than previously believed late Monday. It was discovered that some thirty million while customers pay card information was being offered for sale. On the notorious jokers stash a sleazy online market that deals in such stolen goods to the accompaniment of middle schoolers pictures showing mushroom room. Clouds being observed by a hooded figure who looks like someone of assassin's creed the joker stashes advertising millions of cards in a file. It calls those big Bada. Boom Three Gemini Advisory A new york-based anti-fraud shop says that the joker hasn't laid all the cards on the table. But but that those have but those that have been seen map to Wa wa customers mostly in Pennsylvania and Florida usually Carter's only released their wares this piecemeal to avoid depressing the black market prices. It's supply and demand. Friend Krebs on security has a useful summary of the incident including an account of what Wa wa is doing to try to limit the damage to its customers and speaking of Carter's one of the biggest of them all Mr Aleksei Berkoff copped last Thursday Thursday to be in the guy who ran the notorious card planet site and online market where stolen paycard information was traded. He pleaded guilty in the US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia to charges of access device fraud and conspiracy to commit computer intrusion identity theft wire and access device fraud and money laundering the US Department of Justice said Mr Berkow for all his tender years. The gentleman being only twenty nine was apparently very well connected both with the Russian underworld and arguably the Russian government after he was detained in Israel on an international warrant in Twenty fifteen and during the period he was fighting extradition. To the United States he received considerable support from the Kremlin not only did the Russian government demand return to Russia but they went so far as to frame an and Israeli woman on drug trafficking charges. She wasn't even trying to enter Russia. She was just passing through on a short layover in the airport. On route to somewhere else entirely there are finally signs that the unfortunate woman may now be released times of Israel reports. We hope so so the card planet boss is going away. Good Work Justice. Now the joker stash and now a word from our sponsor plex track flex track is the purple teaming platform that enables read teams to report security issues and blue teams aims to remediate them through a single web based interface flex track offers public private cloud and on premise deployment options. You can learn more and request a demo at flex track dot com slash demo. That's P. L. E. X. T. R. A. C. dot com slash demo and we thank flex track for sponsoring answering our show and joining me once again has been yellen. He's from the University of Maryland Center for Health and Homeland Security. And also my co host on the caveat. PODCAST Ben Always. He's great to have you back good to be here today. story came by This is about recently. The United States House oversight and Reform Committee held hearings on facial recognition technology and during those hearings representative Alexandria a Cossio. Cortez had some interesting comments to make here What does she have to say? Yeah this is the second piece of news I saw from over the past week the I was. I follow her instagram And she got a dog named Deco. Go talk highly recommends Following her instagram stories. Okay on a more serious note She used her five minutes at this House hearing to expose what she sees as the danger of pervasive facial recognition technology At a long hearing on the House government and Oversight Reform Reform Committee the speeches can be kind of monotonous. Ao See is going to go at the end of these hearings because she's one of the most junior members of the committee and why I think her particular speech is important. She has a way of making these issues accessible to people who otherwise would never pay attention to what happens and a house US government and Oversight Reform Committee meeting. And that's what happened here. So she compared some weather. Witnesses said about facial recognition technology to black mirror the A dystopia and sci fi series She talked about how some mobile applications bolster their face recognition systems through things things like instagram. Filters which all of us You know that's a source for real time data to be collected on us and she mentioned I think this is ah area of particular interest to her about how fish recognition systems fail most frequently when it comes to people of color there are consequences to that add those false accusations based on faulty facial recognition technology which in many cases is is more prejudice than we are as humans can lead to to false arrests and incarceration right So sometimes I think it's you know it's not necessarily the fact that Alexandria Cossio Cortez has Is Making a statement of hearings. It's the fact that only she can generate the type of publicity and notoriety that gets these types of Remarks covered yeah media well and and so yeah I wanted to dig in with that with you because I think there's a couple of things here first of all as you point out her notoriety whether you love her her or you hate her and there are certainly plenty of people on both sides of of that story she does generate headlines and so she has the ability to bring these these things To light right she has the platform. Another thing I'll say about her as she is very skilled in congressional testimony and this is again whether you love her hate her. I think a lot of her. You know she. She's given five minutes to speak at every committee hearing but she's used that time to create a lot of viral moments whether she's questioning bank executives whether she's talking about campaign finance it's her remarks that go viral when the rest of the hearing has been entire. You know snooze user. Nobody wants to hear the eighty five year old white guy who's never used a smart device in his or her life remark on the dangerous official recognition. She because because she is this millennial member of Congress. I think her words. Carry some additional notoriety again. Whether you like her hate her and I certainly I know people who both like and dislike her very much? Yeah yeah so I suppose you could say because of her age and the fact that her ages unusual among folks in Congress Her youth that perhaps she has some credibility with these sorts of issues Being a digital native that some other folks might not have absolutely so. She's part of the facebook generation. She also a large part of her notoriety comes from her social media. Ta Use her original campaign and the Democratic primary for Congress was fueled by social media producing viral videos. That she put on Youtube in on twitter That's the only way you can beat an entrenched fourteen term member of Congress which is what she was able to do? The primary so she is sort of her words on any any digital policy carry more weight just because she is this digital member of Congress. She's the person who uses her instagram stories to show. Show the INS and outs of congressional life and congressional procedure. In a way that I think we we haven't seen before And that's why I think her placement placement on this particular committee which conducts oversight. That means they often have the most contentious of all congressional hearings was A really fortunate placement for her Yeah but certainly an interesting dynamic to see play out here Ben Yellen. Thanks for joining us. Thank you and and that's the cyber wire for links to all of today's stories checkout our daily news brief at the cyber wire dot com. Thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber wire fire possible especially are supporting sponsor observed approved point company and the leading insider threat management platform learn more at observant dot com. The cyber wire podcast Hyde cast is proudly produced in Maryland out of the startup studios of data tribe where they're co- building the next generation of cybersecurity teams and technologies are amazing. Cyber wire team is Elliott Peltzman Peru precaut- Stefan Zero. Kelsey bond. Tim No Dr Joe Kerrigan. Carol -Tario Ben. Yellen Nick Bennett. Mo- Chris Russell John Patrick Jennifer Jennifer Ivan Eater. Kilby and I'm Dave Bittner. Thanks for listening. We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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May 11: First in Class

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50:21 min | 1 year ago

May 11: First in Class

"The theaters have closed. But the show look on play me. Podcast is thrilled to present a new series. The show must go on featuring provocative productions from some of North America's most acclaimed creators for the stage. Sit Back and experience. Everything from chilling thrillers to Gut wrenching dramas to arriver in comedies. Each month experience the exhilaration of theater from the comfort of your own home. Plenty available wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Carol off and I'm Chris Ouden. This is as it happens. The podcast edition so night. First in class children and teachers in much of Quebec returned to classrooms. Today we reach a second grade teacher after one of the strangest back the school days ever an open and shut case on Friday. A WINNIPEG SOFT SURF. Spot was all set to reopen but by Sunday their hopes for a seamless return to normal had melted away my way or the highway reach the leader of South Dakota's Cheyenne River Sioux. After the state threatens legal action over check points on the highway meeting of Minds. Taiwan's place at World Health Organization. Meetings has been a flashpoint during the pandemic. Taiwan's representative in. Ottawa welcomes Canada's support. And it's apparent break with Beijing speaking volumes. We find two stories archives. One is a roaring success in the form of a British woman who just been named the world's loudest shelter the other a resounding failure for a BBC man. Who is the world's loudest SNORE and Rainbow Connection? We revisit an interview with the man who upon spotting a double rainbow erupts in waves of laughter than tears. At the wonder of it all as it happens. The Monday Edition Radio. That always has time for an odd fellow. Thousands of children in Quebec. Did something very unusual today. They went to school. The province has made the controversial decision to open up schools in some parts of the province. The gradual reopening is beginning with elementary grades outside the Greater Montreal region. It also includes daycares but back to school doesn't mean back to normal. Kids are being asked to follow strict physical distancing and handwashing rules. Andrew Trapani is a nurse and a mom who sent her daughter back to school in arms town. Today it's a little awkward actually for the whole school to be opening up and everything and For the small amount of children as well less contacted everything something. That young children don't really understand you know costly washing your hands. Being careful. Don't touch people. Don't let people to if you come in contact. Wash your hands frequently. So it's it's a lot for young kids to understand. I didn't really have a choice. I'm a nurse and my husband works so we're obligated to bring our child back to school. You don't have the luxury of staying home. Unfortunately which is something I would have loved but Yeah we can't not with. The pandemic least should be able to do outdoor activities. She'll be back into a routine and everything so it is nice but it's also there's danger risks that was angie any explaining to the CBS's Justin Hayward what. It was like to send her daughter back to school in town Quebec today. Samuel Bernard is a grade two teacher in Quebec City. That's where we reached him. Samuel how did it feel to be back in your classroom today? So first thing in the morning When I was home I was pretty worried of was -iety attack me but as soon as I saw my students this morning and then I saw them common to class. It's really good. I felt a lot of Joy and Everyone was thrilled to be back. So it's still it felt right. It's so great. Of course there's still a lot of you know in certain and a bit of anxiety. I think it will follow us for the the next day but was it fairly. It was very emotional with you and the kids. It was emotional from a positive point of view. If I can say like that look like my my kids were where really Happy to to be back to see me again and see their friends. Many of you actually came so in my classroom. I have twelve because I can't host any any other one respecting the the two years apart but I have sixteen kids actually From my classroom are back in school so I had to San four of them in a new classroom with with a new teacher. And this is too great. These are seven and eight year olds. I guess exactly what are you doing? Just how you said the physical distancing the limited numbers give us a sense of of the day and how different it is. Yeah so it's a lot different because First of all we have to to Wash our hands quite a lot. I mean just this morning My as soon as my students game in inside the school they had to put on some and senator and then when they were inside the classroom they had to wash their hands with with Water and soap and they had to do again Before taking their Eating their snack after thinking snack before they be to the bathroom after they went to the bathroom and before they leave school. And we have to do that again. This afternoon so A lot of time is spent on that. But it's all right we have to do it and also All of my guests are two meters. Apart from each other in my students have stay as much as possible to Under chair not move that much. Is that difficult to do to be standards in in their places that long? Yeah well this. This morning. It was a bit difficult but I talked to them about the importance of respecting that measure. Because you know we have to protect our elder people and We have to make sure that this virus is in control as much as possible so they have to do their part so I think with a lot of practice we will be would be pretty good at the end of the week. So how different is it? Is there much the same or is it really entirely different at this point because I was used to do a lot of teamwork in classroom. Now I can. I can do this anymore. Have to work in Solo at their desk. So there's no almost no movement in my classroom so it's hard for seven or eight year olds. Who respects that? We spoke with a mother on Friday. Who had decided? She wasn't going to send her kids to school. She had she just didn't feel that it didn't feel right for her It did she was just feeling that That she has some Health issues or that. She was worried about herself. She just didn't feel it was it was too early she felt. Do you think that that parents like that will hear about what's going on the costume? V MORE REASSURED BY HOPE. They'LL BE REASSURED BUT If there's any health issues at home that the virus could make worse. I think it's best for them to stay home. And for the kids to say apart from that if a parent is just worried about how things are going in in school right now I I can tell them that. We work really hard last week to make sure that the school is prepared and we did great I think just do they was supposed to be the worst day of the week About the measures and everything but it went pretty well so I think like in a week. We'll be really a pretty good and our students will be safe so I hope some Some of them are reassured. I it just interesting when you said the beginning was soon as you started kids you knew it felt right. And when I spoke with her on Friday she said it just doesn't feel right. It's depend on what just those moments the instant when you thinking. Yeah this is. This is good right. Yeah Yeah Overall I. It was pretty positive this morning and I think it can only get better with time so I think it will feel right more and more in During the week so I'm pretty positive. I'm confident do you have any senses of what the reasons are for kids? Who did come back what the background was. Yes so I think most of the parents Had some trouble that whole oil with With learning a distance learning so they they're kind of glad that We're back to school and yeah. A lot of them are have been called back to work to the semi also saying that if only about In some schools only about thirteen percent of the kids came back very small. You're not allowed to have many but there's not many kids coming back and the question becomes you know is. Is there any point to this? I mean why not just have carried this on until September? That's a great question because I think they focus a lot on the important of mental health At home Indian friends of kids going back to school for that but at the same time sometimes I feel hearing them talk. I feel that the main reason why we're back it's is for the economy and I think if that is the real reason it's about a truly bad one because it would be there would be a lot of consequences for that but I have to believe them and trust them With their decision. I don't want to have you stray into politics but do you. Do you think that is too early to come back? I feel we are doing things a bit too quickly here in Quebec. But you know I I I know. There's a lot of people working with the statistics and studying this This virus but Yeah it feels a bit quick. I think they'd probably lots of people are having the same reservations. Pretty sure I know you gotta get back into your costume. I appreciate you took some time for us. Thank you you're welcome. It's been a pleasure. Take we reached grade teacher. Samuel Bernard in Quebec City for more on the story go to our website. Cbc DOT CA SLASH AI h Ottawa is crossing Beijing at issue was the invite list for an upcoming World Health Organization meeting about cove nineteen. China has made it clear that it does not want Taiwan there. That's because China recognize Taiwan as an independent state but last week Canada backed. Us bid to have Taiwan tent as a non state observer. Winston Chen is the representative at the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Canada and we reached him in Ottawa ten. What is Taiwan Hong Kong to contribute to this meeting if Canada and the United States can convince the World Health Organization to let you in? I think we should be that the not lady. We want to give any to everyone by. We love to share our experience and the most important pod is that the virus cannot recognize the national bogus. So Taiwan certainly over the years have been ignored and they think is very dangerous move and so in order to protect the citizen only pregnant. It require that everyone has to be included. My certainly the people twenty three point eight mid in population of Taiwan. But you know that for Canada to support. Taiwan is to go against Beijing. China is does not want you to be recognized at this meeting to have any standing. So can you appreciate that? Kinda is possibly going to pay a price for having given you this this endorsement. I think in the beginning the The people can understand that the including Taiwan to US observer in the meetings is a known political issues. And the I it's professional health issues. And then the purpose is to protect and safeguard the global hails community. So I think If China would like to emphasize but Intention all motivation. That's a big mistakes. But you know that there are. There's a very delicate extradition case going on right now with the Chinese businesswoman who is in Canada and a dismal one zero and two Canadians arrested in China. It appears in retaliation for that case. So there's possibly a people's futures even their lives at stake here in keeping a balance with Beijing so I'm just wondering if you do appreciate how how difficult this has been for Canada. Yes I feel. Encouraged that Canada Mak- Betty courageous move to to support Taiwan and in a way that Taiwan's experience to handle the dedicate situation across the Taiwan Strait. Full full they case and the also that We a like minded country. We try to share our experience with Canada. Our friends here and also we try to be balanced out So we are not going to push for the agenda by. We both forty understand that when facing the challenge like meek that people have to pull the political issue assize and tried to realize that now the charge the priorities here so we put our resources on this and we say people's lives let us stay number one issues. We saw Dr Bruce Aylward ideon Doctor. Who was part of the? Who study into Kovic? Nineteen in China in February. He came back tugged saying that China was just doing a spectacular job later when he was interviewed by a Hong Kong journalist. He appears to have disconnected the phone when he was asked whether Taiwan should be part of the WHO or be recognized as an observer status. What does that tell you about the? Who's relationship with China? I think the the the question should be true. The doctor I would end the maybe he can get his Explanation on why he makes. That's a statement on that I have no position to to interpretative. But why a why. Why do you think? Who is so careful when it comes to its relationship with China. Why do you why do you think that is i? Think the a big international organization diker Deitch Take it for granted that the the country's a big population with the independence sovereignty and that can be ignored. I I think that's the challenge and the I think look at this pandemic. We didn't get any support from the top the L. A. Are we learned a lesson since seventeen years ago when we facing a similar challenge with maybe smaller scale for for the sauce and then we try to Hong the industry from the private sector government agency? We have always tried to teach when sometime data they will be a pandemic again. That's how we properly deal with this to you. Say That you you. You have no political motivation. This is a health issue but the same time. Taiwan donated personal protective equipment to Countries including Canada at something China has done. It's been called Corona virus. Diplomacy is it. Isn't it fair to say that you are doing? You're playing politics to some extent not entirely about a health issue. I think the totally different is that everything. We do When we save people's five and the to fight against a covy nineteenth everything is open and transparency by what we can see in China is that you didn't know the real story of what happened in there even up to this moment. I I think that's the main difference. And if you ask me that's why we should suppose people like this friendly country like Canada and in other countries. I think that's human nature. We should help each other but people like to put the name. The Moscow diplomacy or whatever. I I don't care that but I what I'm worries that if our small and the Humboldt contribution to some countries when we really can help a lot of people's life than I think that's something that will continue my my country will continue to to. We'll leave it there representative Chen. Thank you thank you thank you. Thank you for having me bye. Bye-bye Winston Chen is the representative at the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Canada. We reached him in Ottawa. And you can find more on that story on the as it happens website tonight. We have a couple of literal blast from the past one from a woman who was on a real winning Shriek and the other from a man who's involuntary roaring had started an unfortunate chainsaw reaction I to Ted Burn. Saint Mary England about one hundred ninety seven kilometers southwest of Reading For Grace Hall. That was shouting distance when Barbara from spoke with Ms Hall in Nineteen Seventy Six. She just been crowned the loudest shout in the world. As you'll hear the phone line wasn't great but that wasn't really an issue. Hello Mrs Hall about their. How are you thanks? I must say from the introduction. I wasn't prepared for such a soft voice. Well this is my own route. We have to stand for. How long have you been practicing for the world's loudest shout a whole year foundry? Yes how do you practice for something like that? There's field opposite out village and the farmer and now faces practice cloud. I shout drills at the child. This is how. How many hours do you work with the cows only a day? Otherwise it is knows. I'm a coach. Not You like to get them. Where does your voice come from? Are you a diaphragm person? Rely then Yoga breathing and I my one so this is how I think everyone is now ready for a trial. We'd like to hear your your. Yeah we'RE ALL FOR WARREN. Now so people can stand back from their radios. Would you like to do one for us? That was excellent. I can hear the training in the tone. Good it's not just screaming is it? Screama told to a very you see I. I think I rock kristen scream at all. Did you realize you had the talent? I went down to have a private and the Toda doesn't out to the media. They all ted about the Radio Television. The mets to what's an asset by bill? The cousin passes the bowl. And the thing. That the only thing you go along with this thing I from I've got cold pop into Mrs. Did your winning yell. How Far Away were you heard? Do you have any idea all over the fifth who I say. Thank to feel the way. A final sendoff. Would you Mrs Hall Latin? They'll be kind of You're in great form today. Thanks Mrs Hall. Congratulations from Archives Barbara from speaking with Great Hall the world's loudest shelter in November of nineteen. Seventy six when Michael spoke with Mark Hubbard of Richmond. B C Thirteen years. Later Mr Hubbard was about to have his own loudness record certified by Guinness. But he hadn't said it on purpose in fact he had done everything. Possible not to. Mr Hubbard was the world's loudest snower as you'll hear he does sound a bit proud of it whereas also hear his wife. Carol sounds a bit homicidal about it. Let me start with you first and the first question is just how loud is your snoring. How loud decibels what does that mean in English Equivalent to a lawnmower subway And air here bit below the noise of a of a rock band or power sauce. You're kidding sure. Carol is that true. Absolutely true It's it's it's disgusting. How long are you married? Fifteen years you've had fifteen years of the snoring that though if it was that bad I wouldn't the married how it started off. You know just to. I guess your average snore and then it just got continually worse and before you know it. I found that Iran to smother the guy but mark. How long? How long have you snore like this? Well apparently a north for twenty five years. But it's just been gradually getting worse as I get older. It just got really bad in the last two years but you've been tested a obviously yes. Yes I've been tested Three times before I had an operation so in order to prove that the machinery was not because I registered so high. And it's the sound of a garbage truck Not quite a garbage truck but A motorcycle and imagine that sucker blowing in your ear for fifteen years. Yeah if you've got kids we do. And then the kids all the neighborhood kids the neighbors. Everyone's aware of of what I'm having a power nap hurt them. You mean they can hear next door. Oh sure the kids can be outside playing in the street and If I'm having a little laugh there goes your dad again. Stood around laughing at them. They just couldn't believe that that if if marks bad and I have a friend over in the evening she says isn't it mark. Can you rate that marked you? Do you know why you snore the way you do. Yeah well I I have a disorder problem. I'll say is there some? Is there some medical term for it or is it called sleep apnea eighty? Oh Yeah I've heard of that You had an operation did you. did have an operation this past. February. Basically what they did was when you open up your mouth and you look in the mirror and you see that funny little punching bag hanging down there. That's called the new Viola vibrates when you're sleeping it vibrates it vibrates. And that's what makes the noise. Yeah I've had that little bugger. Remove and all I per- like a kitty cat. I'm not quite the same firepower so you're not you. Don't snark quite as much as you used to write. I can tell it's getting worse again though why what's happening. Carol you know after the operation he was pretty nice and quiet. It was really great but now every now and then some nights he he begins to bother me again. But I'm not complaining because I know how much worse it could be. Don't you punch him in the middle of the night or kick him out of bed her? I've done that all right. Yeah I know I've had a good night when my ribs heard mark one about the bylaws are one of the the noise bylaws by law. The city of and cover is eighty decibels We have Automatic late rapid transit. Here which clocks in at eighty six decibels? Which is over the noise bylaw level? And if I'm clocking a ninety I'm legally not allowed to sleep in the city of Vancouver. You're breaking the law every time you go to bed with all this publicity. I'm waiting for the gendarmes to come to the door and carry me out so you aren't literally louder than the subway so it's like sleeping a subway in your bedroom carol exactly. Oh yeah sometimes I just get so frustrated about. I'd leave. I checked the door. Go to another bedroom door and I could still hear the guy. It's really if torments you already well. Congratulations for being in the in the book the mark. But we'll talk to you when they confirm it here in Vancouver is not me anymore all right thanks for talking to US mark. Thank you very much carol. Thank you get a good night sleep. Carol Yeah maybe holidays to you. Too Bye. Bye from our archives. Michael Enright speaking with Mark and Carol Hubbard of Richmond. B C in December of nineteen eighty. Nine I'm Keith. Macarthur unlocking bryson's brain is a podcast about my son. I am the rare disease. Keeps him from walking or talking embrace since perfect? His life is really hard and our families. Search for a cure. Oh my gosh. Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. We can do just about anything modifying DNA Heart in my throat cure. His controversial unlocking braces brain. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. As different jurisdictions examined reopening plans and possibilities a Winnipeg institution was making plans of its own so when Manitoba allowed some non essential businesses to open up again last week. The soft serve slingers at bridge drive in were ready. They opened and then came the backlash and by Sunday. The ice cream shop was closed again. Justin Jacob is the CO owner of bridge drive in. We reached him in Winnipeg destined. First of all. What was the plan or the Vision for reopening that you had before the weekend hit so the plan was like driving ice cream sense? Normally we have our patrons I walk up one of our five serving windows and A place in order and then pick up their order but we can revised our parking lot to keep people within their cars for kind of a curbside pickup situation So we know that our our opening weekend is those pretty busy here And the plan was to like. I said keep people in their vehicles and Kennedy's task through place their order pay with contactless payments. And then we had people. Running in between Are serving windows in their vehicles to pick up their orders. Okay it sounds like a lot of work. But that's that's a vision. So how did it? How did it play out in reality? Didn't quite play out as we'd expected so Friday actually less well. As our opening day we were able to keep feline of cars. Karzai's down to a minimum And from backing out onto the city city streets Saturday didn't go so well There's probably a period of about two hours. That's our line of cars actually got super long so Unfortunately yeah we just couldn't keep up so I mean it's still cold in Winnipeg. People were lining up in in the long road to get some ice cream. Yeah I think that payers. They're pretty resilient people so And we've all been kicked up for a period of time now so They're excited that we opened. I guess so. What was the reaction? What made you ultimately decide that you had to pull it all down? I think once I couldn't see the the end of the lineup of cars and it kind of stretched all the way down the road. I think that's when they can you my idea can. I didn't work as as I intended. And you also had a backlash. Didn't you also kind of after when I got home? I think it was about two one. Thirty am I kinda went on mind to see if there is any activity online about The Lion and not saying there definitely wise There's a lot of negative feedback online about You know the traffic blockages that were causing and others. Even I guess. Local residents having their driveways blocked by the line. So where the complaints coming from people seeking your your ice cream or was it from people who live in the neighborhood guessing. It was neighborhood residents the residents. We actually talked to a number of neighbors prior to even doing this just to get their feedback and we actually after deciding to shut down on Sunday and they actually were fine with it so I think it was mostly just people using the Jubilee Avenue which located on that side because that lane was out so they weren't too thrilled about it I'm guessing Any of the residents. That had driveways backing out onto jubilee are also throw this drivers blocked so they probably called any complaints as well as I'd never actually heard those those myself or seen any online. Okay so what are you GONNA do? I mean I guess you want to keep everybody safe. Finest your your your wife's a nurse so you you're taking this pretty seriously. How do you keep your your patrons safe and and get your door open? Yeah so that was kind of thinking was Keeping everyone in their vehicles we would like just managed social distancing naturally that way The plan now. I guess we'll go back to you can have our roots have pedestrian walkup cost service and then keep like social distancing marcus ground It's the possibilities definitely there that we can't you know police people to Ah Level of Keeping them distance. Because I if I think of bringing my own son year you'd be running around and that sort of thing at that point it's very difficult to keep people in a lineup that they are distance so We're not throwing the tally yet or anything like that. We just want to kind of plan things. That'll lay things out on our lot for pedestrian traffic and can see how things go. I understand the city itself was kind of got involved in this look. You didn't have a permit to have a drive through. Is that right? I we never actually got word from the cities From what I did here I think Like I believe that a bylaw officer did comments on what did happen. I guess the city they said the city would have worked with us to try and Make the situation work. Possibly Alma sign agenda SORTA thing but We never actually had like a formal drive-thru per se with curbing and an easement and stuff like that But with just giving the traffic that we've seen on Saturday We just know that that idea is probably not feasible. Good Heavens you can get. You'RE GONNA get drive-thru confession with a priest. You can get drives you own everything but you think you could get a drive through soft ice cream. Yucky would think but part of the challenge with our with our businesses that were located in a residential neighborhood. Like just in the heart of it so Any decisions you make shift. We drive. Traffic here starts creating difficulty. I know that we've been following the stories in other places particularly in the United States where attempts to open on the weekends in some Cases Got St. and staff tried to limit access for safety and people didn't like it and it got pretty ugly. I guess that's not the Winnipeg way. No no I guess not. We add actually great feedback in the in the drive through From everyone that pass through they they thought it was faster than our usual service. Even though it's the traffic issue that was created a main problem. Back to the drawing board it is it is back to the drawing board cove really Through us for a loop here and we're just trying to adjust. I hope you find a way to work around at Justin is good to talk to you. Thank you for sure. Thank you so much. Justin Jacob is the CO owner of bridge drive in a soft serve institution in Winnipeg. That's where we reached him today In the video he laughs he sobs. And he's absolutely awestruck. Oh Yeah I get. It started even look like a triple rainbow. Oh Yard it's full on double rainbow all the way across. That's Paul Vasquez reacting to a double rainbow that he could see from his small farm at the end of Yosemite National Park in California and his amazement. What Mother Nature brought to his doorstep went viral very viral. The heartfelt moment inspired an auto tuned song and Mr Vasquez who was also known as Yosemite Bear mountain giant with suddenly on late night. Talk shows but fame didn't change him. He kept living on his farm and taking in the beautiful sites. Paul Vasquez died over the weekend. He was fifty seven years old. Shortly after that video went viral in two thousand ten the one time professional cage fighter turned organic farmer. Spoke with as it happens. Guest host Peter Armstrong. Here's part of that conversation. Yeah able to might all the time on a regular basis. Look through my youth to page. I have lots of videos. So when did this particular double rainbow bring you to tears? I think it was like the timeline and The power of it it was just so intense and and so powerful. The energy summit knocked me down. Knocked me to my knees. You can feel the rays from the sun or from my heat lamp. You could feel that energy. Well you can tell that by watching the clip in in the clip. You're very expressive. Do you mind if I ask if you're high when you recorded the video. Yeah I wouldn't hire and that one There's another video called giant intense raval. I was high on that one that was taken that one a year before but on this particular one I wasn't hired I didn't have The only thing I do if I smoke FATA doctors prescription for it and I only usually do it. When there's like selling here at this one came here myself so yeah? It was not high at all for Allah new of former cage fighters. I understand it. How does a former cage fighter develop such an appreciation of nature While I bought this land out here in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight on the side of a mountain on the end of dirt road and I developed it myself. It's it's raw land or like really close to seventy national park Really Remote. I don't have a regular job so I'm not having to go in and you know fight traffic and work a regular job every day. I'm out here like gardening and farming and and doing all that kind of stuff so I'm always in nature so just connected to that stuff and disconnected from like the regular world from regular people so I I'm real tuned in with like nature and spirit and so that's why I have like a pure heart and that's Kinda high was connected into that and why do you think people like this video so much. It's really I mean it's just it's it's gone all over the world now. The I've been asked this question a lot. I've had to think about the answer. The answer is this is my reaction to the spirit of the universe. You know like I have very little Filters someone who doesn't filter themselves. You know. I laugh out loud. I don't I'm not gonNA Barest Myself. A big kind of big guy who doesn't care what people think about him. You know so. People are seeing spirit in a mirror of someone who has a pure heart and that is what people are responding to. It was Paul Vasquez speaking with as it happens. Guest host Peter Armstrong in two thousand ten. Mr Vase died this past weekend. He was fifty seven Remove your highway checkpoints or face legal action. That's the ultimatum from South Dakota's governor Christie gnome. She sent it in two letters to the Cheyenne River. Sioux tribe and Oglala Sioux tribe. They've sat up highway checkpoints as part of their fight against Cova Nineteen Herald. Fraser is the chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux tribe. We reached Chairman. Fraser in Eagle Butte. South Dakota Kevin Frazier. Can you tell us why you will not remove those checkpoints? You know the reason one of the main reasons why Feel this is necessary to try to keep our people safe and in good health and and you know it's a good tool for us to Do Track and if it was to come we feel that my monitoring and tracking Who comes into a reservation that we could? I played it as quick as we can. And try to keep it contained. Have you had any case? Have you had any cases of covered nineteen and the in your communities? Yes we've had one and that's why Pretty Awesome to our check points We were able to monitor Are we knew that a individuals coming from hot spot and We were able to keep in daily contact with individual and after about five days. The patient got sick We got her to the hospital where she tested and tested positive We immediately knew The contacts I made when she come back so it did job that it was designed all right. And when you say that when you when you say the job was designed for this is your checkpoints. You're talking about your checkpoints right that you know everyone who comes in and then you can do. You can find out what contact they've had you can find out who they might have been with. Is that right and we know that there are right now in South Dakota. Well there there were more than three thousand confirmed cases more than thirty deaths so far in that state But the the issue is is that the governor is saying that you have no right to control that highway that goes through your communities that This you can you. Can you can regulate your own roads. But you can't do a road that crosses through the community and to the state is nothing you can work out with the with the governor. No I I don't see anything because You know with our record with our information. I mean the status op Dakota and only owning real. So why would we? I mean you know there's just really right now. There's no need for any discussion about the road. How many cars actual vehicles have you turned away at your checkpoints? You know probably very very few. I mean if you're a commercial vehicle bringing supplies crossing reservation to another Part of the country and and you're delivering supplies. I mean you're you know you know you're just a salon. How fashion everybody take less than a minute? And you're on your way through Also to Medical Supplies Postal Service things like that. They central agriculture Yeah we don't the only thing that we do ask to reroute Orlando Lands is from hot spot and you really have no central Business you're not have any relatives or family living on the reservation each reroute your travel. So who who is not allowed to to? Who would you tell the reroute what Individuals are cars. Would you ask them to do that? Well you have individual come from a SPA really high high positive cases them individuals that we would ask three route and there's very very few of them areas that that come through so adamant. I mean I I can say numbers but it would be pretty real low number so we can just to get that you trucks carrying commercial trucks capacity commercial deliveries residents of South Dakota people who actually need to get home and gone that highway. Can they cross through or Yup Yup fear reservoir of a reservation or a family of resident? You are welcome to compl- and if noncommercial visitors out of state those would not be allowed in. Well it depends on if they come from a hot spot or from an area that has a huge clinically icke spread out throughout so I saw I was watching a a live. Feed from your point During the course of about five minutes I saw no cars approach. How often do you actually get people who are trying to cross auto average little more than a thousand vehicles per day and all of them get stopped? Can you give you said you've had one case and now you're doing what you're doing is tracing and the controlling of anyone who comes on. But how how equipped are you On the Cheyenne River Sioux tribe. How equipped are you to actually deal with an outbreak? If you had one among the Lakota people not very well we quit. You know we have eight six men and later one respiratory therapists and you got thousand Razzie and so you have four. How how many. How many people could you take care of? They were sick depending on their health condition. They're very few. And how close is your nearest hospital? one critical care with about three hours drive away. I is there any way you can work things out with the governor. She seems quite quite adamant that she's going to see you. Take down these barriers. Is there any way you can work that out with her? I don't I just don't I really don't I mean who in their right mind. Try to do that. I want something good right. So what what what? What would you say to her? What do you want to say to the governor? There's nothing that can be said. We will not a point. We will not. I mean it's just as simple as bad. I mean there's atv we gotta do something to save people. Because I'll guarantee this. The state government will chairman. Treasury will leave it. There will be following. What's happening in South Dakota? I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you You Bet thank you. Can't Harold Fraser is the chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux tribe? We reached him in Eagle. Butte South Dakota Betty right I sang professionally when she was two years old. Which is remarkable enough. What's more remarkable is that? She was good but given what she would go on to accomplish. Maybe that's not surprising. Betty Wright died yesterday she was sixty six years old. She had her first hit single. At the age of seventeen up woman it was nineteen seventy one and the songs funk meets disco rhythms would become a decade defining sound over the objections of her deeply religious mother. She made a name for herself singing with honesty about love and sex and the messy ramifications of each. She also had range vocally and professionally. She was a phenomenal singer but she was also an influential songwriter. Producer of and collaborator over her career. She worked with performers as diverse as joss stone. David Byrne Alice Cooper Bob Marley and DJ collide to name a few. She was a committed mentor. Two singers and performers as my babies and who often called her ma in kind that I mentioned she started her own record label. She did that to in two thousand seventeen. She told an interviewer that usher once teased her about her bottomless thirst. For All things musical telling her Ma when you die. They're going to have to pry that microphone out of your hand to which she replied. What makes you think they're GONNA get it? Then you've been listening to the as it happens. Podcast our show can be heard Monday Friday on. Cbc Radio One and on Sirius Xm following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the BBC listen APP. Download it for free from the APP store or Google play. Thanks for listening. I'm Carol off. And I'm Chris how for more. Cbc PODCASTS TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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Part 3:Steve Haskin, Len Shulman Darren Rogers

"Here who's on the line I it's so uncrowded a church today that I actually got into the breakfast shower. Let me show me good morning trying to figure out whether I can have described tonight at Janis. You don't have to worry exactly right. Lennie Lee I'm going to step out of the way the two the two you have have the conversation the conversation you were going to have later today. Steve Talk if we do absolutely no talk about that. That's a right to. We've had a pretty intense morning I had to. I had six hundred down the backstretch media center today all by myself. Just just don't want favored by the way. Do not ask me who I like in the Virtual Kentucky Derby. Yeah justify got drifts. Hey Listen America. Favorite was six to one and justify twenty one. What does that? How does that work exactly? I say that exactly. I thought his trainer said the judge. I'm not he didn't he didn't tell didn't tell. Mike Battaglia that. Let's let's put it this way. They're doing that by They do network algorithms with whatever that means So I if they're using statistics algorithms. It's very simple. Secretary loses the racist fixed. Well let me ask you subject. 'cause I don't understand this out so somebody somewhere. Some programmers know what the result is ahead of time. Is that correct? I have no idea. I don't know anything I don't know anything about it. Yeah I have a tough time trying to figure out a real Kentucky Derby. I'm going to figure out a fake one. You know I I just. I woke up this morning trying to figure out. Now what was secretary? He's doing against Omaha. Who's going to go to? The front is Seattle slew. Gone out run countlessly in America Ferrero. Here's what I don't yet becau- because I've read some stories that that there are sportsbook taking action on the right. I mean you you you can actually sat on it somewhere but how well but I'm telling you if secretary doesn't win does after no there's there is no explanation for it other than race. Let me ask you something you know you just just like this is like avenue to Stella walking into the betting parlor in it ain't Hay and they and they They better race and then they get to call it a race and and they're off the racist over you lose. Yeah yeah now. If you're the guy who programmed his algorithms right we. Would you be betting some money in in these Fitter I've never yet I know. Can you match your key Metra? Finding a bookie that will take. Yeah I. I don't get that exactly. I know they're picked races. This would really take it to another level. I know listen. You know some trying to figure out if kids the law is going to beat the honor. Ap or authentic. You're trying to figure out if justify can can be Gallant Fox chapter for the book if he wins That's right matching it. Commensurate justify one and you didn't have a penny on him he would work really the Philly. Cc WHO's been winning needs that you know my my My my eleven year old lab. His name see every time she runs. I think about setting I say yeah you know what I don't WanNa ruin it for and then afterwards I brag about how you must have a lot of money enough. That's why he keeps winning. The wonder why you did a feature on him. I know the owner wasn't you? I get confused now now. I don't work anymore. You know that I did. Do you remember this. But one of the first interviews I had to do with the blood horse was of the Hubbard. I'll right right out at high visitcalifornia doubted Hollywood. I DIDN'T I. Inner Sanctum Office. And I don't I don't know if you remember there was before my time but a former editor vars who You know Chevrolet name remain nameless had written some. He's trashing the Hubbard and has done it anonymously without signing it. What a shock. So here I come walking into the office and I we interview and and I said so. I asked him a question. Like what's been your biggest disappointed. He starts on diatribe about the blood wars and about what chicken you know particle. This was and the guy who wouldn't sign. He unloaded on me for like a half hour. Guy Obviously had nothing to do. I was working there at the time. And yeah he was a good guy or bad about it is actually a fun guy because with sported. I take the brunt of a harangue you know for for somebody doing the wrong thing that does surprise me. I'll tell you I I tell you the main thing with with all the great things that he's done in racing and all the all the memorable battles he had you know for for control my one memory dubious memory of the Hubbard we said was that he supplemented gentlemen instead of Breeders Cup Classic for Eight Hundred Thousand Dollars when the wars detailed under his career and had absolutely no shot in the razor Monday running deadliest and he's like eight hundred thousand thousand through it toilet and not only that but it was the toughest field in the history of the Breeders Cup classic. That was the silver charmless and begin swain to skip away I mean everybody. Every Coronado's quest everybody was in that race and Take eight hundred thousand dollars to run the horse at probably a lot. I'm guessing but I'm sure but I don't care who is a hundred people would still is totally absurd. Yeah well you know you know you know. Phone chatter means to me. She's my favorite Philly of all time and When fun chat retired she went out to a place called Crystal Springs Farm in Paris. Kentucky which was owned by Hubbard and Tom Goncharov is the was the former manager out there. And then Tom last to manage these New Mexico Says it's Dave are managing the Mexicali gracious and letting visit phone chatter and take pictures for hours at a time and such a great guy and that. Tom's done an amazing job with Mr Hubbard Farm in New Mexico and Witches for sound now unfortunately but His Grandson Shaun Been very active in it. Also but Yeah it'd be Harry's that a great job allies park as well. I kind of got the last Hurrah of Hollywood park. You know and And I do remember Darren. Rogers coming on a Roger Signs Radio Show and giving the weather report every day from Hollywood park along with lights scratches. So I I do remember Darren from those days than he was over there speaking reports by the way. Kyrie playing for five hundred seven. Derby's rain all day. Supposed to be seventy on Saturday. Seventy had everybody expected that every everybody expected that course of course I mean there is no way in the world was going to be a gorgeous day. You WanNa take two hundred. No I really know Lenny. Didn't you say you said that and not just use somebody else also said typically at that time it it can be pretty oppressive even into At the end of August into The September very hot and dry at that point. Yeah Yeah I think he would be the the worst Threats as far as that time of the year guys here and you know tends to be the dry season. Also we've had gorgeous winter super mile view now plenty of rain but you know that's okay but You know it's just been gorgeous spring here for the most part. We haven't got any of that oppressive heat that you could also sometimes get on on Derby Day. You know but It's been raining rained yesterday as lousy today. But it's GonNa it's GonNa be any snow with a total of one inch all winter but I mean it's just like rain and we've had more thunderstorms and then we've had snow. Yeah but this is. We're talking about this the other day but the you know the Oakland races this weekend I mean really from here to deserve. It would be as though it was January perks. You know these verses would be running in the Arkansas Derby and it's January first compared to win the Derby is going to be around now so you know it's GonNa be really hard to say that these rates have the impact you know given the four month break into the Kentucky Derby from now if you if you if you use the time period the Arkansas Derby would be equivalent of the sham stakes. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Well the thing is that you know is is down. Rogers was We just mentioning and then nobody has a clue. They need us. Race is going to be a run. I mean there are so many of them. What's going to be with the San San Needed? Derby is now. We're going to run the wood memorial when they're gonNA run the Belmont does is. When are they going to run? The preakness Because some Churchill running on labor day naira has to completely revamp their schedule and just take tradition and throw it into the proverbial toilet By moving to travel back in change you get to a mile in as Probably getting rid of the Jim Dandy. I would imagine otherwise that'll conflict with the high school which is going to have to be moved to early July And then you've got all those other derbies. You got the Ohio Derby to West Virginia Derby. Indiana Derby I it's GonNa be a crazy crazy pass to the derby. We have no idea when these races are going to be run and if they run and you realize if they run the Belmont stakes around the time they normally would if they run it in June. Which can I mean Belmont will be running by. Then there'd be no reason not to run it and and not you know the longer. You wait could tougher. It's going to be to find a spot for it. You realize the Belmont stakes is going to be a mile and an eighth. So I mean is it. The plan is is it. The bell might say well basically that that's the way that's the way it's looking Supposedly a lot of the trainers don't won't run at amount at amount a half even though even though like forty percent of the Belmont winners in the last thirty years or so have won the Belmont coming off a mile and an eighth race but trains trains. Don't WanNa do that. And you can't run a full field of fourteen classic race at amount of quarter at Belmont. You can't start them into turned every you know. Every horse from ten out will have virtually no shot You know unless they get incredibly lucky but you can't have a classic race starting on the Turnpike that with a full field so and it's GonNa be a prep for the Kentucky Derby so you can have to run it in a mile and as it just makes Makes Sense and then like you said you know what I understand the the fact that there are enough forces to split the outline right to this weekend you know is a factor of there not being a lot of other races prior to this but if we start carting you know seventeen. Three year old races. You know there aren't going to be the horses around to run in any of them you know. This has been an anomaly. Because you haven't had the other right so you've got an overload of three year olds now if you start packing in these races one week after the next. I don't see who's GONNA run. Well the thing is nowadays. You've got horses that are coming off of maiden wins allowance. Wins Wins that much shot of winning Derby as as as the great one really aren't any great one You had to grade one races but We've had his way these horses. That are coming off. Meghan wins even. It was still maidens running. Name Hunt the front who who's been running mile and an eighth mile and a sixteen eight races if he breaks his maiden this weekend at oaklawn He's GonNa have all the he's GonNa have foundation leaks and you don't know where these horses are going to be four months from now. You know that could mean ten lengths better than they are. Now all these all these Bloomberg's that normally you wouldn't worry about for the Derby now becomes viable Derby contenders so mixed in with all the others. You know I was really. I was really glad that they they split the Arkansas Derby. All right we got all these horses that are coming up and all these big stakes. Nowhere to run all these California shippers will come in. It'll be great now after they split it. I wish they hadn't because I didn't realize I did that. Not only did to racist so totally lopsided but for the twenty two horses entered fourteen of them have never won a stakes race. And and if you if you look at it but you look at the horses that have Fresh off you look in Charlotte and he drives into the first division. And why do you think why? Do you think they got twenty two horses in the first place you know? Oakland said that they were going to That they would only split the race if they had twenty two horses. Well I'll tell you why they got twenty two because the owners have Charlotte and enter the horse trained by different trainer who has no business being in this race and the division we're any stakes twice and he was beaten thirteen lengths and his last dog after regulars made by a knows he has no business being here but they obviously did it to not only do they not only do they get this horse. Who has early speed too. Not Twenty two horses to split the race but he can kill off Africa Senate races and the Dow wants to go to leave or at least make them work. Because you've got so much speed and the other race was wells by you and you can knock off. Although sources where shall not only does get lucky enough to get in the race and listen. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad he's in so I wanted to run even though he looks like an absolute cinch in this race but not not only not only does he get in but he wants drawing going the rails and the only other speed in the race scratched. So there's there's there's no speed in the race And it's just the it's just crazy and if you you look like I said before they're twenty. Two horses entered right. Eight of them wanted stakes race. Six of them are in the second division and the two washes in the first division. DoesN'T WANNA stakes? One of them WANNA clever Trevor's stakes at Remington Park last year and there's been beaten a total of fifty five lengths in his last three races Since then and the other voices basin who won the hopeful last year has been beaten a total of thirteen links to starts this year. Andrew Post Eleven. So I mean if I've never seen anything work so so perfectly to favor. So so his hordes. That's one twice in his life. There's never run into the steak running mate and racing allowance race and one's GonNa be shocked if he gets beat in here and speedwise his speed so far above anybody else remote. The closest governor Marris But you know you look at Bush. Net numbers you know. He's got he's got two one five number and other than other than tomorrow everybody else in the seventies and eighties. So I mean it's It's it's just turned into. You know crazy lopsided I mean the second of eighteen is great but it would be nice to be able to incorporate a couple of those horses and I would have loved to have seen an a one good strong fourteen Hartsville but listen. Stu- random throw you don't know how it's GonNa work out so and sometimes Sometimes too the division you think is the worst turns out to be like the faster the two divisions but at least we get to see Charlotte and run. Even though he's just GonNa probably just cakewalk around there. We like Steve. Anybody can beat Charlatan now. Not You know only if only if somehow you know the we talked the was said yesterday I mean only if the pedigree issue you know it doesn't look it doesn't look like a wars that you know is going to be challenged Going to nine furlongs but I. I'll be surprised if he gets beat and and most people Jackie. Have you ever watched this on Governor Mars you? What do you do you try and win the race by pressing him and possibly costing you second in case somebody you know like an door wakes up unless you fall out his last race and you went back to to to racist last year Or maybe you know maybe basin run a big race or something like that but do you do that to cost yourself second order you say. Listen I'M NOT GONNA kill my choice to run with this source. I'll take second right now. You get points for second so I mean it's possible that that that they're not gonna Gut Governor Martinez you know. Try trying to run with him even though you know he could probably put some kind of pressure. Automatic wanted to. But do you WANNA do that in risk and risk. Question yourself second. Well why why not I mean how much time do you need to sort yourself out between now and the Derby you know? You've you've got three more to run races to get forces you watch. Probably you know trainers they hate to take a step backwards anywhere along the line and you got an opportunity. You got an opportunity to get. Just what fifty points? Whatever it is in their. You know which we couldn't have you can run second in this race. You get two points Good enough to run in the Derby. Not Good enough around the therapy you know. The the point is to have a good horse. Not Not to accumulate points to get into the Derby around with the world doesn't belong there to begin with so you know again it's like it's like if if you if you're looking at this as being like January okay this horse that's run twice but you you don't WanNa go to war too early in the race. Then you gotta get it then you got to bring him back again you know. I don't I don't know the Constitution this horse but you WANNA get to pick on on Derby Day. You want a steady progression leading up there. You don't WanNa take took having to take a step backwards Plus plus. I don't know I don't know if you want to start them into a derby horse. Why would you wanNA press the pace that you take you know? Take him back run. Run them like you would if it was the Kentucky Derby. If he's good enough shall well cry done then then then you get checking. It's happened before way. Well and make the same point here that we brought up. I think I think was with Jeremy. Before the Florida Derby. Which is you know this is a race with real for real money and grade one and you you you still come away. I mean the Derby's far away you don't know between now and September I if you're even if you're horses even able to compete at that time but right now you win yourself in Arkansas Derby and you know you gotTa Stallion Prospect. Nobody said than done. I mean yeah I mean you know by pure logic yes of course. You want to try and win the race. But I'm just saying. Do you want to gut your choice to to take yourself out of your game. Plan TO RIGHT I get it. I get it. The horse is going to be very very tough to beat anyway. If you feel like you can beat them by running head and head with him and maybe using your experience over his lack of experience then you tried for it but if you just watch some kind of a budding superstar Do you want. Do you want to run? You WANNA run head to head with them and of course yourself even Steven Second. I'm not saying he just go in and saying all right. We're not going to win this race. Which is going to take back But it's a decision you're gonNA have to work. You have to make if you choose to push them and that's really right. Looks like the only way you can win the race. Unless he's not what they think he is. He's just GonNa hire on his own but if you we do have to be willing to accept the consequences. That's all no doubt no doubt. Let's turn to the turn to the second division and let let's talk about The Dow who you know is going to have plenty accompany. It's a different equation here For the dolphins and You know there's some there's some interesting options when it comes to the second division Lenny. Yeah I don't I don't think that a play here seven to five or wherever he ends up being Maybe maybe he moves forward off the last race city was he was pretty much dylan. His got there obviously needs the The experience but You know a horse it That you're GONNA WANNA fly at those kind of odds no probably not You Know Farmington road certainly look like a horse who was Souza's GonNa benefit from from the possible pace scenario his last race You know twelve to one. That's pretty juicy number to get an air off the morning Steve Dots. Well yeah mom and goons. How are they going to run a Kim? Gmo came to Yemen. Could very well be stores in this race. We just don't know if you know the more I watched the Tampa Bay. Derby the more impressed I am with him. I mean his speed figures through the roof and he's had long enough between races where he shouldn't bounce off off off his zero got on third graph and racists before that he you know he had he had run on the on the grassy. You really couldn't. You really can't compute it but looking from a visual standpoint. He's looking at his head is is is is every everything about him Looking at his stride he has the look of a really really good. I mean the more I think the choice and watching his workouts. I mean he had a workout. I think it was towards back where he just did everything. Perfect he was under a Luth rain and I think he worked like one. Thirteen for six furlongs could not have done it any easier or or more professionally. I mean it was just absolutely perfect. If you look at it if you look at him from the front I mean carries his legs perfectly straight under him. No flaws in his stride He's got the pedigree to run all day. This mound quarter will not be an issue. See saying look. Was IT TAMPA BAY? We've seen a lot of losses cover off the Tampa Bay. They're not the same worse but if we've sampled they quite you just don't know but if that's how good that horse is and he doesn't need the lead so is he sits behind the Dow and wells by you and you gotta figure storm the court. It's going to be pretty close up. So let's say if he can sit like four and he's as good as he looked into Tampa Bay Derby and indicate that THEY DEBBIE. He'd beat a horse and I've had in the top five all year. I'm a big fan of sober lante. I think he's a really good horse and he just ran away from him. Granted they didn't have the best trips but he still. I mean He. He just dusted him pretty well. So if that's any kind of indication I mean to me. He eats the works. I'm looking at the most here. The Dow I just don't know I like I love the way back to working him. Not only be working behind horses. But he's got him breaking off like six seven lengths behind the hordes and he doesn't even go after co final lakes of miles and the celebration that he's shown in the last days of a mile has been very impressive. So I mean it is possible that the Dow one even governor leading this race. I know BAP. It always likes to go to the League. Especially you know from the rail. So you know so it's GonNa it's GonNa go to the front but it wouldn't shock me if they if they try and get down to a good position he would have to completely reverse his style runnings because what he's done so far even though he's undefeated and everybody loves him. He's got everything backwards. He's run too fast. Early and too slow lakes three has to completely reverse that and I don't think baffert's got along the glossy on forty five or even forty six and he's battling heading heads. Though is he runs back to his work off the pace. Then we'll find out They'll find out how good he is. Why would you try to do that at this point again with someone? Yeah I know I agree. It's a question of whether you whether he's capable of it because of how fast these been in his in his first few starts I remember to bodily if he does go off to come from off the pace looking pedigree you save so this was doing on the lead going forty five in this race. He's bred pure purely for stamina purely the top and bottom was stamina. I don't know you know he's getting that speed in there but if he can read off the pace then you've got a horse for the tooth then you've got a legitimate therapy with his pedigree you know unlike other towards is where with pedigrees made you question marks for both of them. Pulpit had plenty of speed The The horse interests may is not who are too. You know probably should be running in the oaks tomorrow but it Stafford so I mean or Gammon however you say her name Gammons Yeah late developer. This the Philly. I go back and watch that man race she. She sure looks a possible superstar in the making a funny to say off one six and a half race but the should. I'm really looking forward to saying she runs an allowance on Saturday. GonNa Mile and a sixteenth and with the extra time is the perfect example of a work. That wouldn't have been ready for the with the with the extra time and that. She looks like she could be some as well. Yeah that's what I mean. No equivalent of like you said is affiliated with just one six and a half race if she runs big here. She makes a steady progression You know she looks like a big score on Philly and and she's got a world of ability but You know backwards not gonNa you know running fantasy stakes in a full field against Venetian harbour. Running a question by the way you did. You look at finishing harbors third with numbers numbers and Aleph start. You know he got a quarter. He WanNa tell you me okay. You're not talking you're not you're you're talking you're talking the race you're talking the race. I thought you meant the race to back to. She broke a maiden race humans six and a quarter winning ten and three quarter lengths and I looked at wait a second I was. I was expecting like a negative negative number and she and she regret four points and six and a quarter to. She's not she's not even like the top three or four billion a race on. I don't get it. I mean that would absolutely shock. She Tacuara Woah. She she she still she. Still the fastest horse in the race is she. She's the fastest last race. The there's a there's a big difference you know last race And and I love. I Love A horse coming back to back to the number two back. Yeah Yeah it's just a question of You know he goes from here. I mean I don't know how good the phillies are the race. So they're good. That's a good field of they don't go very wide open. Let me ask you. What do you like that that nobody talked about it all? What do you think of a horse like silver prospector? Who obviously loves distract? And he ultimate. He alternates a win and to run a good race whether whether the whether the good races good enough to win I mean certainly GonNa get. He certainly going to get a pace. I mean to chase into and he's not you know he's got wind and the third didn't win then a fourth then the wind at six alternating crop sound. I don't think it's fast enough to run against these horses. But you know he's a house horse and It's it's that's Masons He should get a good setup so the letter you mentioned before by the way Farmington road. He's all I said I've I've got him in my top twelve I like everything about him and I don't think he's a plotter. I mean if you look at three races back. When he wasn't allowance Tampa they two three weeks off the pace. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's kid we switch over to the handicapped for second. Yeah absolutely because I. I think that's a really interesting race. Look I've been doing a story On Ten strike more she'll grams syndicate group and they are really high on warriors charge who Eight to one on the morning line which surprises me a little bit but if he stays there You know he has been working lights out. Apparently coming up to this race He's doing really well and I think there's some with bigger names in here but You know tacitus isn't exactly a wind machine Combatant I'd love warriors charge here. Well let me question Lenny I what do you think will happen? I would say there's no way to know but Never really been challenged to lead and you know there are some courses in here. That are pretty fast and aren't GonNa let him get out to a clear lead. You know like he's done in in in his last several races. Yeah we said clearly in every one of them So it's just a question of of Of what happens when when the gates opened. Isn't it always a matter of fact your best? Well it isn't gonNA run I always say but I think he's GONNA run huge. I think it was. I think the the be here the work they've got the best numbers and I is is looking really good as MR freeze. His last race I mean is less race was Was extremely impressive. And he can run on a league or just officer lady can press charges if he wants to He gets Joe Talamo. Who's You know writing crazy over there You know he's GonNa be He's GonNa be pretty tough to be. This is a terrific rates to me. It's a great betting race. Ten between the two legs of the Arkansas Derby and I it's Great United Tax Improbable Patches. Combatant I mean these are proviso. It's aware that have been with us for a couple of by my by my by my standards is coming off of He's he's he's won three of his last four starts in probe improbable even though he's beat is less than a negative three and a half on the third graph Iran tremendous. So we've got a race over the track now unfortunately post eleven it for the second race yacht side Post. I should say For the second race in a row. Yeah but I mean a lot of voices in this race. That really would not surprise me at all. I think trophy chasers getting good right now. Imagine if one caller Sevilla wind these races varied these got every chance to There's a serious stroke chasers very serious in here. Nobody can become that monster run number. I mean we're GONNA SPEED READING RACE. And he. He beat a good horse and king for a day who finished eleven lengths ahead of the third horse. Yeah we met the Tampa Bay Challenger Stakes so I mean. I don't know if he has the crash against these sources but he's an awfully good form right now. Watch what's Lucas? Pull it off with Proviso with twenty five to one. That's a nice credit winner who I'm not crazy about dropping back to come in for you know it to me. It's so so Sandy Handicap but But you know listen. He's he's he's not he's not gonNA shocked me when I believe in Herodotus wrenching it together never shocked me when they win then very well but guys have just got about a minute. See Yeah I got a minute here and and and I want to pull it together and we did cover a lot of ground but very quickly Lenny Some thoughts here You know forty eight hours out from you. Know what is you know what has been just a a city defining and and a state the finding industry defining day in in the sport. And what what do you think everybody? The consensus feeling is going to be on Saturday. It's it I think the frustrating thing for all of that is just you sit here day after day and you try to project out a month or two months or three months and it's just impossible to do because the world's uncertain from one day to the other Something to feed. You know as far as Kentucky guys break again racing back but I'll tell you it's timbre and we've talked about this the other day December could be the beginning of deterrent around here. I think because you're GONNA have therapy. You'RE GONNA have b what normally is the Celek Saratoga yearling sale happening and Kentucky right on Keeneland sale and combined with the New York Sal and combined with the July normal as acceptance. Yeah I think September is GONNA BE MAYBE RENT. We all feel like we're getting back to some semblance hair bath hopefully before even that. Steve a fifteen seconds. Well let's tell everybody you got rid on Fox. She got racing on. Nbc's you've got a feature on American Phero you got shot Virtual Kentucky Derby ESPN is showing Secretariat's movie and Friday night through those who WanNa Watch your love it or hate it So the networks are making a big effort and It'd be plenty of raping people. I wish there was telling Chris Saturday in May somewhere which is a great move. Oh you're right you're right. That would have been great well. This was great. Stev- Hoskin Lenny. Showman Darren Rogers earlier Nick Tammaro Dick Powell and Pat McKenna from naira weekend preview in full tomorrow nine to noon if you miss anything replay six nine here on Siriusxm at the website In a little bit more in case Gets things is loaded taking longer to load than usual because of the slowdown of the Internet. Could lock in your plane today. Everybody in the morning increasingly raises with Steve on Sirius Xm radio.

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Join us, and we a very personal. It's very family oriented show. So we are going to start the conversation by congratulating, Richie and Carmella on having the announcement of the Joe's engagement of rich. Congratulations. Thanks. He's you know, we're thrilled. Jessica Justice beyond say is just such a beautiful lovely, I and and you know, we we love her with real extend our family with somebody who's beautiful and insurance checker form though, Joey told her the wedding can be after the Belmont. But before Saratoga next year. So you gave her a window? She he's got she's she can she can pick. Of course, the problem with that. Is there there's I suppose potential by then that? You know, if the Belmont is June. Let's say it's June seventh June tenth, and who knows we might be starting at Saratoga by July first, so. Well, she. That's the honeymoon dynamo could be at lake George on Mondays and Tuesdays. They could have. Well, all right. So how do you of course, you still got the rest of the you've got the you got a few yet to marry off. So you gotta wait. You know? We're just thrilled. Like, I said, we really love jets, and you know, Joe and her happy, we're happy. They're nice. Well, got a got to utilize all you're going to put on all your hats here, and let's do the sales first and you're on hand, of course. And you're part of the evaluation team for phasing Tipton talked to Dave Scanlon earlier today about his couple of forces and looking forward to tomorrow after a very nice breeze show that seemed like everybody went well. I tell you this to me was the strongest group, of course, is performing, you know, in a brief show last year. Obviously, we had a lot of quality. This year was very hard discerned from top to bottom, and it was just little subtle things that made one stand out a little more than the others. I thought it was an extremely strong group. I've been roaming the sales founds all morning looking at orces how they came out of their breezes and knock on wood. It looks like, you know, we're looking good for tomorrow sale out of these sources came out of their reason extremely good shape. And you know, I it's a great opportunity that I have to work for phasing. And the fact that phasing Tipton is also supporting might new ventures for two kings media, and they hired us to help promote the sales has been you last night podcast, which I put up on on Twitter, which will be on the website this morning sport at king's dot com. Is evaluating the top. What I thought was a top twelve breezes at of yesterday. And like I said wasn't easy to come up with just twelve. Talk a little bit too rich because you've been seeing the during the maturation process from wean linked yearling yearling to two year old who you know, who's progressing who among particularly the first crops. I mean, this is the question. I always ask of of the horsemen who do you think as maturing on time, and who is showing signs of having runners, basically? Well, you know, I mean, we're so strongly represented by first crop sires this sale sixteen first crop sires. And if I had to pinpoint one I would say the Byron's as a whole have been incredibly come on leaps and bounds from yearling two year olds. And as a group yesterday performing on the racetrack. I wound up putting one call one Philly and my top twelve that were buying easily could have put five Byron's in my top twelve as a group. I thought they showed collectively the best interesting horse that I watched yesterday was by conveyance, let me just pull up. He's hip number forty four. He was covering so much brand. He looked like he was a leaping over the ground. I I couldn't believe the extension on that Colt. And that's another first Cup sire conveyance. That's not probably going to garner a tremendous amount of attention because conveyances oyster kind of flew under the radar, obviously, everybody's talking about the American pharaohs, very. Oh, well, represented at this sale with ten American Syros. So you have an opportunity to get into the first triple crown winner in thirty seven years. I crap I thought the best of the American pharaohs was hip number sixty dollars work with terrific just got done looking at him this morning again. And he came out of his brief exceptionally. Well, you know, I talked about the American pharaohs to this morning because I started the show, and I went I went through. I don't know maybe fifteen breezes somewhat random, I looked at the ones that had you know, that were among the, you know, the top eighth in the top quarter miles. I gotta say rich mean they are described him as cat like they they just look life and long and and fluid and I to me, I mean scary. I, you know, I think that's a great way to describe it the catlike very like very very light on their feet. They come in different packages. They're not, you know, they're they're not cookie cutter. They're they're different physical types. You know, pretty, you know, disparity that way, but they all have that in common that cat like movement. So you're getting an athlete again in different shapes and sizes, well, and as as Baffert said when you know when the Cajun arose that you know, after Breeders Cup, and you know, when it when it was obvious that, you know, the the was headed to his stud career Baffert said that he had every confidence that the physical properties we get passed on. But that if the mental acuity if that if he was able to pass that onto progeny, the, you know, the very placid, and, you know, teachable, and, you know, easy keeper type, but that made him a marvel if you know sort of the anti storm cat. The essentially. Yeah. Well, you know, and it's interesting because I think that's something that gets overlooked. Maybe by the casual observers is a horse's demeanor. Their ability to handle things, mentally processing, not not get too shook up and American pharaoh to me was the calmest most sensible good horse. I've ever seen in my life. I've most most sources they have their space. They don't want it invaded. You know, they basically let you know that they're the boss or not they don't wanna be messed with too much not him. He was just like a big puppy dog. And that's very unusual. So if he does is able to pass on that that ability to handle things as well as he did it certainly bonus. Well, as somebody who was bitten by both brother, Derek and running stag. I absolutely I absolutely understand. And I I'm lucky I'm lucky I have a right hand at all because running stag over at the Saratoga stakes barn one night. The the thought he found a midnight snack with. Yeah. They say, they're not meat eaters. But that's a finger. Well, there's a few who who is it that? I don't somebody. There's been there's been horses. That'll that'll have a hamburger if if offered them. I remember the kid. We had a call the New York red named Brooksville sport it Steve demars blind. You would eat hotdogs for red truck. The Roach coach. And when I was a kid working for veterinarian Alydar lifted me off the ground by my chest. So I was gonna firm fan after that. Well, brother, Derek, I I literally just walking by stall when paused for a second, and he came he came from the back of an and rip rip the shirt and left a wealth. I don't I just I couldn't believe it. I mean, it was why doesn't it? It was not nice. And and it was a nice shirt to a beautiful silk shirt. The toward the thing up and. I I I immediately retreated that the other side barn forty two to two sweet northern sane. Liked me as opposed to brother, Derek who was on the other side of rich looking forward to tomorrow, two o'clock. They're gonna start to go through the ring and who's your who's your sale topper? If you have to make a guess. Well, I I believe that hip number one seventy three Carlin coke from ak-. Kroupi consignment. We'll be the sale top or not only super impressive on the racetrack. Yesterday. He's an incredible specimen physically, and he's got a pedigree that should command a lot of money. I believe he's gonna be the sale top. How about you? I this is this was completely unprompted for those that have been listening since the top of the show. I mentioned that John secure who was on his way to to Hallandale, John, of course, co bread that called and has got they've got real the confidence. And and and a big expectation. And that was completely unprompted. So nicely done. Yeah. Yeah. No. I actually went to improve yesterday after the breathing. So that was the breeze of the day and his gal out was incredible. He went ten flat. Twenty one thirty three pulled up in forty six into. I mean, you know, he went far beyond just the furlong. And again, another worse when over there this morning full of life seems have bounce out of it and really could shape which is testimony to how well prepped. He was coming here. You know? I just pulled up. I'll I'll give everybody the link to this to the video, and it's it's well worth watching you starts with some. He's got the kind of a high carriage at the beginning. And then you see the eighth police starts level down and drop down as they say and level off, and yeah, really impressive. So we'll we'll look forward to that will be near the the back half of. Of the afternoon. And I I didn't come last year. But the year before I thought it started later in the day. I remember it being the the lights coming on and being in the evening. I thought I think it was closer to four o'clock. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not mistaken. Yeah. And it was cooling off. And I I was a little surprised when I pulled it up the other day and said two o'clock start. But if anybody in the area, if you've never been I it's a lot of fun. You'll you'll really enjoy it. If you were if you're here for Florida derby, and you didn't occur to you. Number one that they weren't racing on Wednesday. Come to the sale, you'll be you'll see all the action and you'll see Richmond yori, they'll they'll pose for photographs and. Just get an opportunity to seem potentially, you know, our stars this summer horses that that's right merge. And you can say you saw them win. Exactly. Well, rich, you you can say you wrote win it when jocks were allowed to use a crop. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, been kind of watching from a distance all of the going on. And and I just think it's. A poor knee jerk response to you know, it's horrible tough situation out in California. I I don't think it's anywhere close to the answer. It kind of falls public relations sleight of hand, if you will, you know, you have all these jurisdictions all the country that riders use a crime some places more liberal than others. I certainly mole for toning it down and keeping it police properly and educating writers and how to use crop properly and not over using it. You know, I hate when of course is five in front. Somebody's banging away for no reason that goes in from being an aide to encourage the horse to a punishment. And I think that's what you have to discern. And that only way you discern that is by educating educating the fan years ago Steve early eighties. When I started, you know, guys wanted to see you whipping away, and if you didn't Mark one you're considered week. I mean, the culture change so much we've learned that's not. The right way. Don't want to do anything that you know, is a detriment to our horses or hurt them. But to take crops away from writers, you've already jockeys already given away leg eight he doesn't have the ability to users like to help guide horse. And I just think it's it's very shortsighted knee jerk reaction to a much bigger picture. And that's an issue within our industry. We're reactive instead of proactive. I don't see how you know. Big bold statement about no Lasix, and no whips changes. What's going on? And every other jurisdiction. That's using it not having a spate of catastrophic injuries that Santa Anita. Unfortunately hats, and as well intentioned as those statements, and you know, were I just don't think it was well thought out I think it was very ill advised, and it certainly very very far from the answer. Well, put on all fronts. Let's focus on on the stick for a minute. Because you know for for starters. The there's been steady adjustments made to the to the. How how heavy the stick is for starters to the Popper at the end and the the stick has already been a quote unquote, toned down. There's been the addition of the three strike, and and wait for response rule, which which writers pretty quickly adjusted to so there's already been some very positive for those that are concerned in this area there there have been positive developments in this direction. You know, I I'm curious rich. I mean, if you can lose date for people. What why it's important for riders to have a stick? And can they adjust to having one for as they're calling it safety reasons? How how're you going to get a horse to change? If you can't I mean, don't necessarily even strike them per se when asking for changes, but explain what adjustments are practical. What could work about this concept where I think if you're saying riders are allowed to use the crop for safety measures. I that's the right phrase. I I read right? I think it opens it up interpretation interpretation of when it's actually safety measure when a guy who's going. You know, what I can get a little bit more out of this. I don't have attention. And that's the thing. People have to understand. It's it's a helpful tool to get or keep horses. Attention and courses are a lot like people you have some that are extremely. Serious and they put their head down. And they go forward, and there they go to work, and then he had some that are always looking to kinda get out of a little work and don't have the same kind of focus or work ethic. So I think it's it's a thing that you're opening up a can of worms that you know, will a yeah, he had hit him on shows years came up. Well, that's normal. When it works isn't paying attention. But that doesn't mean you're gonna do something wrong. So who is going to discern that it who is the people discerning that are they going to be qualified to discern that because frankly, I have my misgivings about the ability for people Judy king this stuff to have the feel of the knowledge for that. And again, I think he'd just opens it up to too much of a gray area. Now, you want to educate writers and using I actually was against the three strike rule before waiting for response. But not in the way, you would think I he hit once and wait for response three times, consecutively means that you're at least hitting that horse once-off stride. If you think about when. You're supposed to be hitting a worse to propel them forward. It's when their hind feet are on the ground. So they push off and extend their strike. If you're getting them, brilliant, aroma at least one of those strikes. The worst is front feeder on the ground. You're gonna pick their feet up faster in an essence slow them down. So I was against the three strike rule because I thought that was too liberal him. Once get the response, you want pick them up handwrite, if they you feel them kind of lose their phone, you sort of idol a bit then get Adam again, but I I was never one for that rapid fire whipping now I don't want to sound hypocritical. There were times in my career. I lost myself and way overdid the whip. And I look back at those parts of my career with regret and wish that I had. No. But having been able to look at it and basically be removed from it. I think there's a middle ground here. Why is everything so black and white and our industry, let's modify the whips have already been modified to a point that if I hit you with the I wouldn't raise the well, so Abby horses high. Sticker on that saying that we want it shouldn't be a punishment. If it's used properly. It's an aide to encourage and that's what people need to see just like you have to educate fans and gamblers that the guy hitting the hardest. The most is getting the most out of the worst is and again everywhere is different summer generous summer. Lazy one thing about it? A worse will never hide is true. You know, nature from you. If he's means mean, if he's lazy lazy if generous Jensen it's there, he's not he doesn't have an agenda. You're not trying to hide his true character from you. But I go, let's take it one step further when they talk about why industry, so black and white I can talk to a hundred people, and I might come up with fifty people that says, you absolutely have to do away with Lasix and fifty people that say, you absolutely need Lasix. Well, how about this? But seems the protocols for horses that actually likes to get on it. I don't want to deprive a horse that needs it to to have it. So state scopes that horse. He had a bleeding episode now he can't compete, and I'm just throwing numbers out. We could freak all this. That can't compete for two months now. And then every time he competes he's gotta be scoped by the state if he has another bleeding episode he can't compete for six months. And by the third time, he can't compete or here. She can't compete at all anymore. How many trainers are actually going to put their horse under that kind of scrutiny unless they one hundred percent need Lasix. Now, you've taken away that say, you know, ninety percent of horses around on it when maybe fifteen percent of the need it. I just think that would be a step instead of saying, absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. No, why are we so concrete and black and white in this industry? That's a that's a question that you could extend to virtually, you know, every every part of society right now. I mean that well, yeah. That's true right now. Yeah. Yeah. It's b. There's no middle ground. There's no, you know, there's no common sense. I mean, that's one of the things. In fact, you know, when we had Steve Chris a week ago Friday in I saw a number of people react saying, you know, we miss having a commonsense reaction the things as opposed to you know, to to these extremes on on either side. But I I between you and Tony this week. I I wanted to make sure to address what what could work. I if if we're going in this direction, and certainly once we started with the safety crop, and with the with the kinder Popper, and you know, once we started down this avenue knew where it was headed a couple of the couple of ideas rich, and our friend, Leslie Nafa who helps us with the particularly with the equestrian side of things Leslie had a couple of interesting notes to me after Kim this came up yesterday. And then and Woodbury pain. Also this morning. Is there from your experience? Is there some options in terms of? How high riders basically position themselves is there options of of lowering stirrups for more leg control. And is there options in terms of rains and and bits to offset the potential loss of of the crop. You know, I would assume there is. I mean, we'd take an adjustment. You know riders have for years the star have gotten shorter and shorter and shorter in a effort to be more aero-dynamics to position you wait more on the weather, so less impact on horses. And from vanity standpoint wanting to look really good on yours windfall. That was part of my motivation. You know, I think they've done a lot as far as you know, bit, you know, with how and bits and different things for horses that are difficult to handle. I don't have that that could change a lot certainly star issue. Could like, you know, you'd have to again, it's about educating and it's about starting riders out with a different mindset than they're starting out with now. And frankly, you know, we're missing a lot of horsemanship that used to be a part of the whole process to become a writer. You know, kids come around now, and they they're light enough and they gallop horses for six months and they ride racist. It's not the process it once was so we've seen a diminishment of horsemanship, and it goes back to basics. Let's let's get back to making it the best. It can be for the worst isn't. That means the best horsemanship available in teaching people the right way from the beginning. It's all about education, and and and doing things properly, and I don't see any reason why we can't do it. But you know, I it's gonna take I think a well thought out plan as opposed to. Knee jerk reaction. We'll see what your old school then we're going to go to really old school when when Tony weighs in on on. Mr. back still riding upbeat tires every race. But he's so do you know speaking a witch? I at the beginning of the show. I I've last night we went to the Franken Dino's for the PD J F, and I got to meet some people to people in particular in Michael McCarthy, and and Jose Valez junior that I was really really pleased at to to meet them. And boy, I I knew that McCarthy came from the from that same physical that wiry build as you, and obviously his son Trevor, but boy, oh, boy, the the you look at him, and he's got the the long legs long arms. Like, you do and I could exactly see him and Avila's a guy that rode the first winner for us as a stable as it happens in Chicago. I was so sorry that I missed last night. I wanted to get up there so badly, but I had to do the podcast reviewing yesterday's sale jerks. I I couldn't do it. But you went to great guys to terrific writers and Mike McCarthy is living proof that if you wanna do something bad enough, and you're willing to sacrifice and work for you can do it because that guy had no right to be a writer, and let alone be as good a successful writer as he wasn't looking good on horses. You get folding up that frame, and I hold no grudges even though he replaced me as the center on the docu basketball. Love it. I love it. Well, yeah. You know and tell everybody about you know, you mentioned it in passing but tell everybody about the about the website and about what you're going to be doing on it yet. Well, we we we started a company Michael canal valley iron Veracruz gift Siegel, myself sport of kings media was very surprised we over to get that domain name. You know, phasing has been is our first clients to promote the sales, and you know, certainly, these guys boy Browning Bain Welker have been so good to me, you know, here at phase in giving me multiple good opportunities. But basically, we planning on having several podcasts week did a sakes preview last week this week was about the sale Friday will probably do another stakes preview all around the country and basically use it as a promotional tool for racing. And and certainly in a day and age when we need some positive promotion, we wanna follow suit like you. Stephen be good for the game. And and give people more access, and if people different perspectives because you know, Aaron Jeff and I both come from kind of three different perspectives. Even though you know, we'll disagree. We agree on certain things we see things from unique perspectives. And I I think it's just going to be a good blend actually had some conversation with some other checks about doing some media and promotional stuff to them. So it's a startup. We're working hard at it. We have some great ideas. It's just like what you've been able to grow. You know, how difficult is starting now. But hopefully, we gained some traction. And I'm just poking around. I wanted to see what you guys had done on Twitter of address at its sport a kings four new, right? Is that you yes. Sport of kings. For is our our our professional Twitter also have our own, obviously. And you know, the website was supposed to be up and functional ready. It's supposed to be today. So look for that later on today. Hopefully. Sporting kings media dot com. Good job. Well, rich. I will see you no later than tomorrow at the sale. I appreciate. All the all the topics that we covered and we'll see tomorrow. I look thank you rich mcclary folks, and you can follow Richard courses. Well, in fact, there's three meekly Aures at least three because you got Joe you can follow Joseph. You can follow a riches brother jocky agent, Mike McCurry as well. So. Get all the big collect them. All. In your in your following. Let's take a break. Our last probably the morning, and we will wrap up on a busy Tuesday back after this. Apperances with Steve on Sirius XM radio. Hey, what's going on Mike here? And I'm going to tell you about an offer from my good friends at express. But let's be honest. We know you love playing the race. But you can't always make a detract sometimes life just gets in a way of a good bet. Well, what if I told you about a place, we never miss it bet and you start with house money. It say I'm crazy right will not express bet you first hundred dollars are on them. That's right. Sign up would express bet dot com. Using promo code XP radio. Bet a hundred bucks, and they'll deposit one hundred bucks back into your account the very next day. 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Youtube channel and get started for free or spills dot com. Toll free number eight eight eight nine eight four six four three. Back to at the races with Steve on Sirius XM radio. We're back at the races. Just ten minutes to fill out. So we'll little. Little potpourri. To close out the morning and coming clean up a few areas that we didn't we didn't get to and. Normally. Normally I would slip in Jeremy plonk here on Tuesday, especially because we we were we didn't get to last week. So we've got some we have some countdown to the crown work to do. But he. He's out today. So he begged off and we'll look to Jeremy tomorrow because now we're were stacked up for tomorrow. So maybe Thursday Thursday or even Friday actually could even preview. Let him preview Dubai, and and Florida derby on Friday. Oh. And in fact, I'm glad that I'm glad I brought up Jeremy because I've got a I've got a reach out to his man Jerry shot in Kirk. You know? Let me. Let's do this. We got through. I guess we got through most of that. Didn't we we got through? I mentioned workaholic at that win at Akwa docked on Saturday. Lower Wohlers sent out to work a holic the sky Mesa Philly for. Brother-in-law mattress Mack. Jim McDougal, the nice part the nicest part of that whole story of this Phillies. She came running down the center of the track and caught missing burial late missing Perio had. Doffed the pressure of stones in the road. The. The Steve pennies Philly for my angle, heart and. Storming down the center came workaholic, Corey own one a nice story for corio who got his first stake win and was. Was a. Just beaming much like much like soapy Doyle on Saturday later in the oaks and so forth. But that was really nice wanted to make sure to mileage Corey arm Ormes. Victory. The. The I did see the end of the did you see the end of the fairgrounds numbers? Brad. Cox your your training title. Adam makita. When's the his first writing title, really cool? We gotta get him on the show and. Brad Grady, Joe sharp, of course. Brag grading was the I think is second straight second straight title for the owner for the owners. Seventeen wins. I think is the number. I saw. Couple of other me give you what else from here. We didn't. These other stakes. The gave you dummy. Oaklawn we mentioned who ninety road the Catalano ARCHE bread in the know double I meant to put up the phone. I've got I've got the wind photo. No, I've got no doubles. Arkansas derby win photo. Which I ordered off of EBay. I I love it. I put it in a frame, and I should have put that up on Saturday. Oh, that's that's what we haven't done. The. The cross country pick five I took a swing at and. Ramblin, ma'am. The winner in the nightcap. At at Akwa docked. But you needed you need it to have the seventy five dollar Witter you needed to have workaholic, otherwise everything else was to no avail and. Great-aunt closed out the sequence the cross country pick five paid fifty two hundred and twenty dollars. So again this week it really was worth going after. But I that was Tuffah worse. I work Hollick six Horsfield. So I I guess some people may have may have bought the race. And this was thirty seven to one basically. So the almost I I'm gonna guess some people bought. The steak at Akwa docked and then leaned heavily baby on grey attempt. You could've leaned obviously on actually on Manny wrote who was even money, right? What did he go off at low? Oh, actually went off a two to five. All I didn't realize I thought that was more contentious than that, actually. And I tried to use a couple. But anyway, if you didn't have workaholic, you were you were SOL, but I I really had fun going after that each week after the. Cross country pick five it's been a nice addition to the the winter landscape the rest of the Sunland action Todd Pletcher I mentioned join us tomorrow. We'll talk to Todd and I wanna get quite a few wars beside the the ones that have. Risen to the. To the surface of one their way into Debbie. I mentioned the worse yesterday promo code the border laws. Oh, the union rags and l'argent we'll see where Todd stands with them as well. But the rest of the Sunland we gotta get the Baffert to he's probably he may be on his way here. He usually comes to this sale. I'm sure did not Eleni doing a lot of the advanced work, and they end up swinging it action. Couple of a couple of the other winners from Sunland on Sunday the head Sohn. The hundred thousand dollar filly and mare mile escape clause three to five the going commando, mayor Manitoba bread. Don schnell. The five year old that she was dominant. Tyler Baze Tyler Baze is out writing all over the place. If you haven't noticed. All out blitz. Colleen Shah the four year old Simon Callaghan. Wins the the Bill Thomas memorial with Tyler as well. Nipped Esteban Martinez minister of soul in that spot. We'll talk to Baffert about the win by chasing yesterday. And. The other the other stakes and the to New Mexico races. The state university nicely thousand dollars and the eight year old shining source about that eight year old gelding Blake rust for Barton ranch stables and and Blake. Ridgely bread by Susan Vesco. The eight year old winds easy little under six to one had riot Eichel berry on sunscreen when the New Mexico breeders Turbie for the three year olds this is a south western heat gelding bred by Mr. Hubbard. Casey, Weber set out sunscreen one one by couple and MC win in the oaks. From gal Hernandez judge Lanier racing. This is McKenna. Thoroughbred, McKenna's Justice, bred filly. So there you go. There's your. The rest of your son went action. I think got us caught up on on everything right because EBA we talked about because. Jinks fires pretty clever hundred thousand dollar steak instead of instead of six along workout why not Bank sixty grand. So that's what that's what jinx did. And gray attempt will be stretched back out looking ahead to the the Arkansas derby, we told you yesterday about the Gulfstream action. Maha and gladiator king. I guess. Yeah. That's about it was that was the majority of the stakes that I miss anything. I think that's it. Oh. Sam Houston had their had their nice, Texas action. And you had a nice things actually got spread around pretty good there. I think you had. Yeah. Yet six six different outfits when the six Texas bred races. I don't have the the charts. But I'll I wanna make sure that we mentioned them. All right and. Yeah. Go the rest will just say for what should be a terrific Wednesday tomorrow going to be joined by said, Fernando course, I watch Betty refocus brought to you by hill. And Dale and Pete, I'm I I haven't heard from Pete. I I know he had the half marathon. So we'll hear how he made out and which money he raised. We'll get some contests. Updates in. Blade, right. As well tomorrow and Todd Pletcher at Seth barrow too. So there you go there's a slight preview of a busy Wednesday. I wanna thank Dave Scanlon today. Great. Talk to him about by my standards. Worke did. To get him ready, and it's inspiring. I mean, if you're if you're a pin Hooker. If you're a breeder. Whatever part of the game, you're in the bloodstock agent. Like just Josh Stevens. And they don't have to go fast. That's one of the messages. Ten three. Louisiana derby Witter. Good luck. The Dave tomorrow. Mark asi. Appreciate mark. Letting us know exactly where things stand with war. Well, and it was very upbeat. John White and Dr Steven all day, of course Richmond. Laurie with some great perspective. We'll get Tony's version. Thursday. Good luck. If you're playing today, by the way, nice second yesterday from just enough. 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Part Two: L. Ron Hubbard: The Greatest Con-Man In History

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Part Two: L. Ron Hubbard: The Greatest Con-Man In History

"Hello. I'm Anna REEs and I'm Laurin vocal bomb and our show foodstuff all about these islands, history and culture. Food and drink is relaunching as saver re along with our super producer, Dylan Fagin are hitting the road to find the stories behind all the things we like to eat and drink. We will be talking to the culinary creators and eaters of the world to get to the bottom of why we like what we like and how we can find more of those things. On our first trip, we went to Asheville North Carolina, a city that pulled itself out of a seventy year economic depression with beer and food. Neil episodes will be coming out Wednesday and Friday on apple podcasts. Hello friends. I'm Robert Evans, and this once again behind the bastards to show that tells you everything you don't know about the very worst people in all of history. Now, this is part two of our three part series on L Ron Hubbard pm. Listen to part one. I recommend doing that now for those of you who are back from Tartu, you're listening to this the day after part one is dropped, but we are recording them all in one terrible marathon fell swoop. So you're Addison the point if this were an actual marathon. This is about mile five, where you starting to feel good. You've hit a stride, you're happy with the progress, but midway through this is when we're gonna hit our wall, and it's just gonna break both as human beings and is creative artists. So that should be really exciting for all you people. And then the third episode we won't even be human beings will just be shattered remnants of souls hanging onto meager office. Yeah, Graham in grams in a meat packing anyway, you ready? So ready. Let's do this. So people regularly message me on Twitter. Suggest new candidates for episodes of this podcast. Sometimes their suggestions are spot on and I do appreciate them. But I get a lot of people who will suggest shitty people like Ben Shapiro, Iran, Paul or Brad Kavanagh, and I'm not going to do an episode on in these people because while they're shitty, they're all kind of lame like they're not interesting in a bad way. We all know the ways in which they're bad. Like Brett cavenaugh, everyone who thinks he's bad, understands everything about him is a shitty person. That's public knowledge. I liked to cover people who are shitty and exceptional. And that's why I picked l. Ron Hubbard this week because I really do think we talked about this a little in the first episode. I think he may be the greatest conman who ever lived. So today is a story about we. We ended the last episode with the establishment of Dianetics as a science kind of how he build it. He can think of anyone. Jordan Peterson, he's like that sorta guy where he, you know, normally guy that gets six months year of prominence or so, right where everybody loves their new pop philosophy book, and then we just sorta shovel them. Into the coal fire of our culture in forget about them and move on and other years, someone else will come up. We'll be obsessed with that for a little while l. Ron Hubbard avoided letting that happen to him. And this episode is the story of how of how he thought against fallen into obscurity. Take notes during this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want to become a guru and then transmit that grew into starting your own world, religion, this is the first class you've got to take on that because l. Ron Hubbard is the master. Yep. Well, there's, that's why that is called the master. Yeah, just got it. The master is really just got okay. So within two months of publishing Dianetics more than five hundred different Dianetics groups had started across the United States out Ron Hubbard began offering classes in Dianetics that were like two hundred fifty, five hundred dollars a piece and holding conferences established different centers in different states and whatnot foundations. He called them in the money, started pouring in Hubbard's work, developed a rapid fan base who blanketed newspapers with. Angry letters when they provided critical commentary was sort of like an early example of what now happens every time anyone insults anybody popular? Yes. Like the first edition of the Elon Musk's internet hate mob was L Ron Hubbard's fans of Dianetics sinning, angry letters to the New York Times. One of the heads of Hubbard's troll brigade was a political science professor from Massachusetts named Frederick Shuman. In one letter to the New York Times, he wrote history has become a race between Dianetics and catastrophe Dianetics will win if enough people are challenged in time to understand it. Now, the reason that people thought this was so important was because L Ron Hubbard who claimed that Dianetics was not just a path to personal betterment. It was a way to cure people of mental illness of psychopathy, but also it was a way to if everyone did Dianetics if everybody that came clear Hubbard said there'd be no more war. And this was again, you're talking about nineteen fifty. The specter of nuclear extermination has just arisen for the first time. So people are freaked out that like we're gonna murder the whole species which we probably will at some point. Right Hubbard is claiming with Dianetics. We can denuclearize the world. We can all live in peace. You know, this is what will save humanity from the darkness of the Cold War in America ended up for the first time in his life. L Ron Hubbard became the focus of national attention which is clearly what he'd wanted his entire life. Yeah. So suddenly he was being interviewed by a lot of journalists and newsmen, and of course they asked him about his childhood and his background, and this is when he was held at all about. I was a blood brother of the blackfoot drive across the country. Yeah, don't go. I would. I was pirates of the Caribbean. What's your life? If you were to write like a Twitter post tomorrow? That becomes the bible of the world, six months later for some crazy piece of internet alchemy suddenly, suddenly everybody's talking to kaitlin Durrani and wants to know like, what did you grow up? What's the lie you choose to tell? Oh, I mean, I'm just such an honest person that I can't even make up a live every in have your own religion with that attitude. I think the closest thing I would would be that I'm from punks Tony, Pennsylvania, the home of the groundhog. Of course, that's a lame line, I know, but it it. The truth is that I'm from a town about twenty miles away, but it's just easier to say, yeah, I'm from punks Tonga's not even a, that's like, let's like growing up in Mesa and claiming you live in Phoenix like it's just making it easy for somebody just so brutally honest that I can't even fathom lying. Let me tell you how I do it. No point in my life would, yes. Okay. So Abubaker albuque- daddy, the founder of ISIS, probably dead, right. I would just lie and say, I killed him because I was over in Iraq around that time. So there's a kernel of truth. It's easy enough to make up the rest of the lighter and nobody who doesn't fact check. That would be my lie. Okay. If this the internet wasn't here, it would be easier. The internet exists would be easy to prove it wrong. But if there was like nineteen fifty, I could probably lie and big people believe that. It's so hard to fact check in pre internet. Everyone's just like, I guess he was a blood. I'm not gonna ask blackfoot Indian about whether or not they have blood brothers. Talked to somebody who's not white? No, sir. This is the New York Times, right? Although in fairness, the New York Times, they were actually very critical. I picked the name of the newspaper. I slandered, great lady. Let's get back to the story before I commit slandering. So L Ron Hubbard started in addition to lying about his background, claiming that all of his years of work as a trashy scifi writer and his globetrotting adventures were all research. You know, this was him studying human psychology and the human mind in order to develop his revolutionary new philosophy, all of his his travels adventures that were not real. We're him studying history in ancient cultures to figure out the kernels of truth. He told parade magazine that he'd had a child with his new wife, Sarah Hubbard, which was true. He claimed the child was that world's first Dianetics baby. He claimed to have protected her from noise and even parental conversations in order to keep her from developing any in grams. As a result of this. He said she'd started talking at three months in crawling at four months. Oh, it's going to get Tarum neglected as baby by like not talking to it or. Well, if I know anything about babies, it's that they thrive when isolated and neglected. Yes, I think that everyone says it about babies. Yeah, that that's why most cradles are dark rooms in the basement. That's how you raise again. Just a few months after the debut of Dianetics onto the world stage L Ron Hubbard introduced Sonya Bianca as the world's first clear. He claimed that she had quote full and perfect recall of every moment of her life and then brought her out in front of an audience to prove it. Unfortunately, Sonya was just a twenty one year, old physics major who did not have perfect recall her entire life. So the audience immediately started asking your stuff like what did you have for breakfast on October? Third, nineteen? Forty two. What's on page one twenty two of Dianetics and she couldn't answer any of this. At least get like an improv actor. Yeah, I had that omelet someone to lie, right? Yeah. At one point Hubbard turned his back and someone asked her what color has tie was, and she couldn't even answer that. So this is like it. It's a Bockel this first attempt to reveal clear, but it teaches Hubbard a powerful lesson which is never ever put yourself in a position where people can prove you're wrong. Like if you're gonna hold events and stuff, you got a stage-managed that shit so that it goes exactly the way you want. He would be more careful in the future. He did come up with insane Dianetics logic to justify why she hadn't been able to perfectly recall everything. He said that when he'd called her up and asked her to come out now the word now had frozen her in present time and temporarily interrupted her perfect memory. Wow, makes sense to me the mental gymnast back on board. So the whole event was at a buck, oh, but it hardly put a dent in the progress of Dianetics in less than a year. The new science had made enough money to buy four and a half million dollar mansion in Los Angeles. So Hubbard could manage his new operation in style. It was the old California governor's mansion, which is weird because the capitals not in Los Angeles. I don't know what we had a governor's mansion in l. but he bought it all that money attracted attention from the government. And from the media, there were from this point on kind of regular looks into him from the FBI and stuff just because he's making a lot of money. He's not paying taxes on a lot of it. He's being very shady with it. Barbara k. worked with him at this time. She was a PR assistant for Mr. Hubbard. She later noted in interviews that quote, he was having a lot of political and organizational problems with people grabbing for power. He didn't trust anyone and he was highly paranoid. He thought the CA had hitmen after him. We'd be walking along the street and I would ask, why are you walking so fast? He would look over his shoulder and say, you don't know what it's like to be a target. No one was after him. It was all delusion. Barbara would go onto. Have an affair with uttered who'd since lost interest in his second wife, Sarah, the two worked closely together and often travel together. So the great leader could administer the far-flung chunks of his burgeoning new empire. At one point, he leased an apartment at the Chateau more Mont for them to share in order to reassure Barbara of their relationship. Ron walked through the apartment and said, this is your closet. This is your dressing table. This is your toothbrush two days later. She found all of her possessions that she'd left in the apartment on a bag at her desk run Hubbard's wife, Sarah, and their baby had moved to Los Angeles and Hubbard had put them up in the apartment. He'd written for himself in Barbara. Later in the day, he apologized to her called his wife a bitch and said, I miss you. Then he asked her to have dinner with him and his wife that night. His wife present. Yeah. Yeah. He he wanted to have dinner with them, so she wouldn't think that he was having an affair with Barbara. Okay. All right. Dan, inner interviews with Russell Miller, Barbara admitted that she felt almost uncontrolled drawn towards l. Ron Hubbard because you'd get pissed him a lot for being a creep. But quote, I was completely infatuated. I remember I said to my roommate, we had a small apartment in Beverly Hills. If I ever tell you I am marrying this guy, I want you to time. Yup, and not letting the out the door because he's a lunatic, but I didn't trust myself not to do it because I was so enchanted by him, being with him was like watching a fascinating character playing a role on stage. I was never bored with him. He was a magical, delightful man, a great raconteur, very bright in the musing and a very gentle patient and sweet lover. Oh, so so he has learned to he. She had, she says, he's learned to fuck, and she's clearly recognizes he's a nut. So she has no reason to lie about this, right? I'm gonna guess he'd learned how to fuck good on him. So everyone. Good news l. Ron Hubbard learned to fuck. All right. That's a t shirt. That's a t-shirt. Someone do some art for L, Ron Hubbard learn to fuck shirt, so we can get really sued by the church of Scientology like ludicrously suit. Our numbered condoms, maybe l. Ron Hubbard dental dam. That's the one. Wow. Yeah, he was gentle lover. It's dental dam says, here's Barbara again at the time I recognized early on that he was also deeply disturbed. Some of the things he told me we're really bizarre, but I never knew what to believe. He said his mother was a lesbian and that he had found her in bed with another woman and that he had been born as the result of Emmett tempted abortion. He talked a lot about his grandfather who could really hold his liquor and played a fiddle with the head of a negro carved on the end. But he never talked about his father and never once mentioned. He had children. I did not know. He had a son until I read it in the newspapers years later. There's a lot in that paragraph to also wasn't the federal Qatar. Okay, guitar, he's lying about it. Instruments forgotten what kind of instrument with the weirdly racist, carving his grandpa. I don't know. I'm gonna give him a pass on that one. That's so close to the truth that it counts, honesty out of L Ron Hubbard's mouth. Yes. I don't even know what to say about the part of what this makes me think that maybe he did think that his mom had tried to abort him heard no evidence of this, but he seems to be obsessed with the idea. So maybe he thought that I don't know also like he was as we heard in part one like the beloved like baby, like everyone loved him in the family. So like what that it does seem, and I'm this'll become clear that he had a persecution complex. There's part of him that wanted to be hunted that one of the government after him. So he may have just had a really happy family life and wanted to invent like this dark backstory for himself. This is real life was kind of boring. At one point, Barbara wind with him to San Francisco, and they attended a welcoming party at the house of a local diagnosis to adored L Ron Hubbard Barbara caught the great man in the kitchen making out with the host's wife when they got back to the hotel, she refused to sleep with Hubbard and he shouted, they're all against me. L. Ron l.. By the winter of nineteen fifty Dianetics had grown way way too fast for its britches. Hubbard establish too many schools in too many places, and it couldn't cover their own bills lead also hired way too many people Dr winter, the guy who helped make Dianetics look, legitimate left the organization after several people develop psychosis during auditing one attendee. Turns out damage people by doing this? Yeah. Have an untrained people try to do psychotherapy. It's a mixed bag. Lesson learned lesson. Well, no, no. Didn't learn any lesson this lesson flew way over everybody said and still has won ten de of a dynamic center. In Elizabeth New Jersey noted, quote, people had breakdowns quite often. It was always hushed up before anyone found out about it happened to a guy in my course, a chemical engineer. They wanted to get him out of the school and volunteered to stay with him in an adjoining building. He never slept her eight and was in a terrible state. No one could do anything with him in the end. They took him off to an asylum. Yeah. Yeah, good. So Dr winter leaves in a number of the people who had, I think Campbell starts distancing himself from all of us at this point, number of people who had been backers of Dianetics sort of step away after because Hubbard just immediately goes to light crazy shirt like right away. 'cause he'd been waiting for this whole life, which guys, Campbell again, Campbell's the editor of the science fiction editor. He's like a fan of his. Yeah. When Dr winner left Hubbard announced that the doctor had been engaged in a scheme to take over the foundation rather than just him being like, this isn't working out so he can't take accountability for anything. Oh, good Lord, no, no, no l. Ron. Hubbard take accountability for something that is not the story. We're reading. Sounds like this is to end really well. So problems with Dianetics were compounded by Hubbard's problems at home in nineteen fifty one, his wife, Sarah attempted suicide l. run audited her afterwards and claim to have recovered in Graham that told him his wife. Suicide attempt had been caused by a phone call from Barbara about work related business. Hubbard interrogated Barbara about this, and she actually wrote a record of the conversation in her diary and it's pretty fun. Oh. Me Barbara. You make a habit of instilling in grams too. Don't you? That's fine. That's good behavior for the founder of Dianetics Hubbard. Isn't it exciting for you being upon of such a grand chessboard you are playing for the world? Can you think of anything more exciting, Barbara. I don't give a good goddamn about the world. I want a single gratifying human relationship. Hubbard you couldn't have one, you're an ambitious woman. You crave power, you're a Marie, Antoinette Cleopatra, Lucretia Borgia you must have a Caesar and Alexander you get the idea. She told him he needed her more than she needed him, and he responded in nineteen thirty nine. I was very much in love with the girl. She felt that way too. When I knew she had a boyfriend coming up. I waited on the stairway with a gun just for a moment. Then I said they are flies. I realized who in what I wasn't left. I told her I would leave her free to marry a sharpie with a cigar in his mouth from Muncie Indiana, would you like to be left free? So. Hovers. All right. About either this is just how all run Hubbard response to someone trying to break up with him. I guess. I don't know. I could not find out what a sharpie with a cigar in his mouth. Oh means is an insult marker. I mean, I understand why Muncie Indiana is an insult. And if there's any fans from Muncie in the end, let me know. Offended. You know, we do have a lot of Pittsburgh fans. I'm gonna give another shoutout to Pittsburgh. It has no bearing on the story too far from punks Tani where I'm from your learning. You're Hubbard. So this seems to have prompted a Ron Hubbard to fire Barbara in break off the affair temporarily. Although he would try to reengage it a couple of times his marriage though was already doomed. At that point. His wife. Sarah had begun to date Dianetics named miles Hollister who she'd met when Hubbard had forced his mistress to go on a double date with him and his wife, and she brought miles along and his wife wound up with miles a messy tale. And miles is apparently like a handsome, nice intelligent guy. So Hubbard was obviously furious at all. Yeah, it was around this point in nineteen fifty one when l. Ron Hubbard decided to start drinking his followers based on nothing. Really. He came to the conclusion that a mix of benzedrine which is a type of speed, insane doses of vitamins and glutamic acid would help make auditing more effective. He called this chemical mixture g UK coordinators agent you supposed to take it every two hours for at least twenty four hours. So it was like really crazy doses of speed in vitamins and taking enough would allow you to release the in grams within you without the need for an auditor. So that was Hubbard's claim. It didn't work out Dianetics quickly abandoned this practice, but Ron Hubbard never give up on the idea of dosing people with absurd amounts of vitamins. Okay, gain, unspecified them beat. Well, you need it too much v. The late seventies after Scientology was established the church. He developed a variety of Scientology focused rehab centers Narconon for drugs, criminal for crimes. Just to name to one treatment method used in these programs was the purification rundown or still is which is basically you sit in a sauna for days and take huge amounts of vitamins. Notable people have died in these facilities for variety of reasons. One Oklahoma facility lost four patients in the space of three years, so don't do that. Don't overdose on, don't give people fatal doses of vitamins for no good reason. But you know, you should take fatal doses of. That's not the right way to introduce ads. You don't. You should take the right amount of is the ads that we have. I'm gonna eat a dorito you guys can by the way the the simply organic white cheddar. Doritos, really good, really tasty. Here's some ads that paid us. Hi, I'm Robert Evans from behind the bastards. And if you're anything like me, you're scared of people seem what you do on the internet because you look at a lot of crazy stuff. 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We've gotten from the Doritos people. I should stop plugging them at this point. I'm now pushing through bags of Doritos. It's towards Caitlyn. They're all right here in front of me comfortably. So you look uncomfortable. L. explore these later. Explorers, the right word for it, and you know, who would have appreciated. The adventurous taste of Doritos. Would it be L Ron Hubbard would be famed explorer l. Ron. This is not going to help our sponsorship, but how we're off the rails now, fuck it. I'll unplug it. If I'll do a whole podcast on how L Ron Hubbard would not have enjoyed the flavorful taste of Doritos. If if the torito's people get in touch with us, is that good? Okay. Let's get back to the story. So when we last left on Hubbard, he'd broken things off with his wife and his his mistress any it's nineteen fifty one. He tried to drug his followers, but it hasn't worked very well and later in nineteen fifty one, the New Jersey board of medical examiners started what would become a decades, long pattern of state, national agencies investigating l. Ron Hubbard activities. They accused his facility and Elizabeth of teaching medicine without a license, and they brought a suit against him in response Hubbard closed up shop because he knew he was going to lose any sort of legal battle because he was one hundred percent teaching medicine without a license and they left New Jersey. Everything he owned was shoved into the back of a black limousine and they drove to Los Angeles. Oddly enough, Greg Hemingway, youngest son of Ernest Hemingway was one of the Dianetics to pack. L. Ron Hubbard stuff, Greg, Greg, giving way she, it's weird because Ernest Hemingway sounds like an author name. It just has that probably because way, but it's still has Greg, right as a father. You're really sabotaging your kid from following in your footsteps by Gregory. I mean, you need more than one syllable. Even Gregory I, I'd never read a book from Gregory. That's such an untrustworthy name. No, I wouldn't. Yeah, Michael. There's a book name I'll come on. That's just too generic. Sorry for all you Michael's out there wanna generic first name and then exciting. Last name will like Michael Crichton. Michael Crichton. There you go. Exactly the most trustworthy writer? Yes. All of this. He didn't turn out to be crazy or anything. You know what? I'll forgive everything. He did after Jurassic Park because of Jurassic. But yeah, that was a who that is bad. A descent as this cheesy SCI fi author pretty rough in case you don't know Michael Crichton spent his later years writing a whole book about how global warming was ally and also writing one of the critics who badly reviewed his books into one of his novels as a pedophile and describing the critics, small penis. Michael crichton. Classy fella. Boy. Okay. So the marriage of l. Ron Hubbard and Sara Northrup fell apart as he was fleeing New Jersey. He knew that there was going to be divorce in since he was now quite wealthy. There was a lot of money at stake in order to secure more favorable divorce terms. What do you think l. Ron Hubbard did in order to ensure that he would have the upper hand in the coming divorce battle is not known for lying. So I don't imagine he did anything dishonest. So I would guess that you know, he just parted with half of his money and assets amicably. No. Oh, shoot fun fact. He kidnapped his daughter, Alexis and took her to Cuba. Yes, clear. Oh boy. Well, he didn't immediately take her to Cuba I, he kidnapped her and paid a random nurse to take care of her for a month, and then kidnapped his wife wants. The baby was are taking care of the in two of his followers kidnapped his wife physically forced her into the vehicle according to bare faced messiah, the grabbed her by each arm. One of them clamped a hand over her mouth and they bustled her out of the house across the sidewalk and into the back of the car, which drove off at speed. Sarah fought like a cat in the back of the car, screaming and shouting at Hubbard, who in turn was shouting at her. At one point when the car stopped at traffic lights, she tried to leap out and thereafter Hubbard gripped her around the neck and a stranglehold while the argument continues. Yeah, okay. Feminist icon run over kidnapped his life. This is why I say it's shocking that I can't find any evidence of being a child molester right? Because it's really seems like he runs. He would have been molesting skits like. Oh, but okay. I guess it's still piece shit monster. So once his wife was subdued in the back of the car, they drove to San Bernardino to try and find a midnight doctor who would declare Sarah legally insane. Unfortunately, and kind of shockingly he couldn't find one. Oh, which I think you probably would be able to find a doctor willing to do that in LA now. Yeah. If you had l. Ron Hubbard money, right? Apparently you couldn't back then that's encouraged kudos nineteen fifties, San Bernardino. Psychiatrists. You get a clear pass from behind the bastards eventually. He promised to tell his wife where she could find their daughter. If she signed a piece of paper claiming he had an abducted her just then. Wow. This guy, I'm starting to like him. It's just so consistent. Yeah, like it's just so shockingly consistently terrible. I'll tell you where our kid daughter is if you agree not to tell anyone that I just kidnapped you and strangled, you Claire. Claire, you insane. I mean, I gotta say nine hundred fifty one strangling probably wouldn't have got him in a much trouble. Probably it. It didn't. Sure. Didn't. He let her go after she signed the paper. But when she went to go find their baby Hubbard at already had the child moved. In fact, he'd hired a couple who were against strangers to drive the baby across the country. The baby's just an afterthought and no point is he focused on this kid. You couldn't matter less to him. Sarah Hubbard filed a kidnapping complaint with the LAPD, but they assume this was just a domestic dispute and decided not to get in the middle of things. So the LAPD hitting it out of the park in nineteen fifty one. Yeah, you guys don't get a pass psychiatrists of San Bernardino. Cool with you. Fuck the LAPD in nineteen fifty one LAPD today. If you want to sponsor the show, we can talk about it. In the meantime, while Sarah was trying to file a kidnapping complaint, L Ron Hubbard found a psychiatrist who was willing to diagnose him sane, which he had done just sort of a precautionary measure according to one of the men who helped and do all this Dianetics with the last name of de mille quote, he and I, I went to a psychiatrist who didn't like the smell of it. He obviously thought he was being manipulated. So we just paid him ten dollars in left. Then we went to a prominent diagnostic psychologist of that era who did some protective testing on Hubbard and produced an upbeat harmless report saying he was a creative individual upset by family problems and dissension and it was depressing his work and so forth. It was very bland, but Hubbard was delighted with it. The main value of it to him was that it didn't say he was crazy. So he could claim had been given a clean Bill of health by the psychiatric profession. He called the FBI to claim that miles Hollister the man. His wife was having an affair with was a communist as well as armed and dangerous. He made several calls in reports to the FBI trying to get them to murder his wife's new lover by claiming he was an armed and dangerous. Communist. Next L Ron Hubbard mill and his baby flew to Havana Cuba upward, put the baby in the care of two Jamaican women as soon as they arrived. We're also strange strangers strangers not with anybody who cares about it. No, no, no, no, no, no. It'll run Hubbard's not gonna spend any time with his baby. He spent the time in Cuba writing the draft of a sequel to his book on Dianetics and drinking huge quantities of rum. So he couldn't be taken care of baby then. No, he's to drink for several weeks straight and write a terrible book. Sarah did eventually file a writ with the a. superior court in the news picked up the exciting story that the founder of America's newest coat, psychological, fad, whatever had abducted his own child as a result around Hubbard had to write in letter to his. Estranged wife. So I'm going to read you that letter. Now this is to Sarah this to Sarah time, dear. Sarah, I've been in a Cuban military hospital, and I am being transferred to the United States next week as it classified scientists, immune from interference of all kinds. The white will be hospitalized. Probably a longtime. Alexis has getting excellent care. I see her every day. She is all I have to live for my wits never gave way under all you did and let them do, but my body didn't stand up. My right side is paralyzed and getting more. So I hope my heart lasts. I may live a long time and again, I may not, but Dianetics will last ten thousand years for the army and navy habit. Now my will is all changed. Alexis. We'll get a fortune unless she goes to you as she would then get nothing hope to see you once more goodbye. I love you Ron. More truth. Yeah, no. The truth, Alexis, his daughter who he's not taking care of an instant drinking rum. Yes. And we'll later deny is his child and tells her when she comes to him in adult that she was the illegitimate child of his wife and okay, I was gonna ask about because he has kids from his first marriage, Paula. Five or six kids. Wow. Yeah. One of them nibs I think was his nickname was with the coat for a while and then left changes last name to DeWolf. Hubbard's nephew, Jamie DeWolf does a lot of, I think he's like a motivational speaker and stuff. So number of his kids have become big anti Scientology, sort of voices. He didn't spend any time with them. So how could they have one of his kids committed suicide? Yeah, at least one. So Sarah filed for divorce in the court documents. She filed revealed horrific details from inside their relationship. According to her, at one point, Ronn told her they couldn't get a divorce because it would be bad for his reputation. She says that he told her, basically, you'll kill yourself. If you really love me because we can't get divorced because it's the fifties. She's, she also says that he regularly strangled her. She believed that he was insane and needed to be locked up in a mental asylum. Obviously she has a bias, but it's really hard to disagree with that statement. What a different world it would be. If somebody had given L Ron Hubbard the help he so desperately needed. Now, Hubbard flew back from Cuba around this time. He wound up living with a millionaire Dianetics enthusiasts named pursell who'd gotten rich through something else and just love Dianetics Bersell wound up, essentially taking over the business operations of Dianetics for awhile and fixing everything. Unfunny all the damage Hubbard had done to the structure of atomic profitable and for a while, Wichita Kansas becomes the the center of Dianetics research. Yeah, Wichita. So they're doing research? Not really. Yeah. Yes, yeah. I mean, no rights, a bunch of books about Dianetics try to sell them to people, teach classes, but now I'm only doing much real research when Sarah found out that Hubbard was in Wichita. She filed a petition asking to have his assets in Los Angeles placed into receivership. Hubbard responded by sending a letter to the department of Justice. He described himself as basically a scientist. This exact where it's basically a scientist and accused the communists in their secret agent, his wife of orchestrating a campaign to try and destroy him. He would later claim that his wife was a Nazi agent as well. He can switch between the two, okay, pretty much at will. And this is like McCarthy era a good time to be accused of people communism. It is proof of how nutty he sounded. He is constantly going to the FBI in claiming that all the people who are against him are communist's armed and stuff. And the FBI immediately writes them off as a nut which the FBI was not good at determining who was legitimately a threat to the country and not in this period that went after a lot of innocent people. But even the nineteen fifties FBI was like, this guy is fucking crazy. Joseph McCarthy's basically running the show right now, but this guy's a fucking lunatic. Yeah, which if the fucking FBI under j Edgar Hoover thinks you're too crazy to be credible about your anticommunist conspiracy theories. You gotta be real crazy. You gotta be really got him. Okay. The good news is that Sara Northrup eventually got both are divorced and her daughter back and I, as far as I know, hopefully Lexus had a good childhood. I really don't know much more about her at this point, but she went to live with her. She's a getting filled with that in grams, holy shit, supposedly in exchange for getting her baby back though. She agreed not to say anything bad about her husband, L Ron Hubbard. He also made her right a statement or rather he wrote a statement and then published it with her name attached to it, and she didn't complain that seems likely based on the actual wording of the statement. I'm going to read you the end bit of it. There is no other reason for the statement than my own wish to make atonement for the damage I may have done in the future. I wished to lead a quiet and orderly existence with my little girl far away from the interpreting influences which have ruined my marriage. Sarah, north Republic interpreting is a word that L Ron Hubbard invented. Which is why people think he just wrote this and she wanted her baby back and it was the fifties. And she was like, this is the closest version of Justice second get. Okay. Yeah. In turbulence, and turbulent. It's a perfectly chrome Hewlett word. Yeah. But the end of nineteen fifty. One Dianetics look to be on its way out. A conference of dinette assists only drew one hundred twelve attendees, which is about about a year about what you could expect to get it of a fad, pop psychology thing. This Hubbard desperately pushed book after book including child Dianetics, but all of them failed to catch on the book he wrote while drunk in Cuba did not see the same success as the original, which is really tragic. The sequel we call Dianetics to Dianetics to yet. Extremely. Diametic harder. You could call it like a reverse Hemingway because he went to Cuba and got drunk to right, but was less successful. I assume that's where Hemingway did all his good stuff. I don't know much about hats where around him that's improbably shitload. Yeah, I assume maybe would have been better book if he'd add more cats. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. It became increasingly clear to many people that L Ron Hubbard was not quite the genius. They had thought Perry chapter lane. A researcher at the Wichita Dianetics foundation said, quote, the problem for many people involved in Dianetics was that they accepted every word Hubbard said, is literal truth rather than a framework around which you could do things. I remember at a lecture one night, he told people that if they did this or that they would no longer need to wear glasses and that they would be able to throw them away forever. He pointed to a big bowl at the bottom of the steps leading up to the rostrum. At the end of the lecture, people were throwing their glasses into this bowl, Don per cell. The millionaire who saved Hubbard's asked and save. Dianetics was one of the guys who tossed their glasses into the bowl, quote, Hubbard thought it was a great joke. He told me about it afterwards, making a snide remark about pursell describing how he took. His glasses through them into the ball and groped his way out of the lecture hall Hubbard was laughing that people would do something like that just because of what he said. Of course it didn't work like everyone else per cell had a new pair of glasses and a couple of days. Yeah, I thought the story was going to end the like someone crashed on their way home because they couldn't see that would have made sense. Now. I mean everyone on the road was drunk and nineteen fifty one. So they were limped when they hit anyway, right? Hubbard met and married his third and final wife. Mary sue whip. During this Wichita period, she was like eighteen, and he was like forty, seven. It was kinda creepy, but they stayed together the rest of his life, and he may even have been faithful to her, maybe not probably a couple of affairs in their butcher. He might have been. They were. They were together the rest of his life. Well, sort of she wound up taking the fall firming going to prison, but that's a story for another day. Which is also where he first revealed the meter advice he claimed can measure emotions and quote, given auditor insight into the mind of his pre-clear Hubbard announced this at a meeting in a Wichita hotel right before he made the exciting announcement to a group of eighty that he had developed a new science even better than Dianetics science that filled the few holes Dianetics had had an elevated it to a new level. It was almost more than a science. He called this Scientology. Yeah. Now I looked on Scientology dot org, try and figure out what they had to say about this, and I actually found another reference to his totally real book Excalibur because that's what they claim. The name comes from. L Ron Hubbard began his studies of the mind and spirit in nineteen. Twenty-three resulting in a manuscript entitled Excalibur in nineteen thirty eight in this unpublished work. The word Scientology first appeared to describe what Mr. Hubbard termed the study of knowing how to know he decided against publishing the book for the fact Excalibur didn't contain any therapy of any kind, but was simply discussion of the composition of life. Consequently, he said, I decided to go further. So now it's worth interesting. The author bare faced messiah found an earlier use of the word Scientology in like a German scientific study published like in the thirties, but it had nothing to do with any of this just worth noting someone else figured out the term. I not really a big deal. Howard probably wasn't plagiarizing this obscure German scientist, but thought that was interesting. So in the Scientology dot org, right up of things Scientology was. Immediately conceived of as a religion. The reality is that it was immediately conceived of as a science and it's real purpose was to protect Hubbard legally because he and pursell had gotten into a fight at this point over the rights today, networks Don persona. He had a falling out. And so there was a giant legal battle waging over who is going to own the rights to Dianetics Hubbard created Scientology initially. So he could keep making more books than selling more products under thing that pursell had no rights to. Yeah, and it was not a religion at first Hubbard claim that while Dianetics had been about the body Scientology was essentially focused more on the soul because he had quote, come across incontrovertible, scientifically validated evidence of the existence of the human soul. So we're going to get into what Hubbard claimed in Scientology and how it changed from a way for him to dodge legal liability into a religion. But first consume. The lint killer murders gripped. 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Anyway, it was it was it was a mess, but it all worked out in the, I think so Hubbard claimed to have discovered that human beings were driven by immortal and omnipotent beings called themes. No themes, trion millions of bodies over the course of eons. And so there centrally these immortal spirits that like Geydar meet sacks Dianetics had been about refiling bad memories in your brain to cure health problems. But Scientology was away of waking your feet in up to the memories of its long hidden existence in order to gain superpowers, essentially, you're activating your feet and so that you can, you know, clearing off all of the. Bullshit. It's tricked into thinking it's just a mortal being, yes, something like that. It's close enough putting, yeah, according to bare faced, messiah threatens were obviously not restricted to this universe in auditing sessions, revealed innumerable accounts of space travel in adventures on other planets, very similar to those found in the pages, the standing science fiction to which the founder of Scientology had. So recently been contributing. One report described how a pre clear-headed arrived on a plan at seventy four thousand years ago and battled a black magic operators who are using electronics for evil purposes. So this is the point at which past lives become a real big part of they'll run Hubbard's philosophy and they have electric seventy four thousand years ago. We'll, yeah, space aliens space space aliens stuff aliens been traveling space all the time. Yeah. Yeah. In July nineteen. Fifty two L Ron Hubbard published the history of man. He called it quote a cold blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillion years in it. He promised that with Scientology the blind will again see the lame walk. The. L. recover the insane become sane and the sane will become saner. Oh yeah. There's one man. You should trust them how to become saner. It's the guy who kidnapped his own baby. Yes, you know, that's us to me sane. Really stable guy, balanced, man. You know, I've always really respected kidnapping discipline. Oh yeah, there's, yeah, it's a wonderful industry. It's a calling. It's an art form. Really a good, solid kidnapping, basically science guy, stealing babies out of a window. What are you doing? I'm basically a scientist. That's the t shirt right there covered stealing a baby. We're going to get some good t-shirt base lawsuits out of this, and then I'll have to create a religion in order to maintain my rights to the show, and then I'm gonna fight you for those rights and then we're something bad's going to happen. You wanna baby in Cuba. Go right ahead because that's where it's going. Oh boy. Induction jokes, so good fun. When you know the kid got out, yes. A lot of kids didn't get out of Scientology anyway back to the story. So the history of man basically repackaged Hubbard's Dianetics ideas about in grams, but catch them in weird evolutionary terms. So now Scientologists didn't just have to worry about the traumas, date experiences. Babies, they had to worry about the traumas that deep back in time their ancestors had experienced Hubbard claim that many in grams were caused by clams because our clam ancestors were locked in an attorney conflict between the hinge that opened and the hinge that closed. He claimed that the gesture of opening and closing your thumb and forefinger was in consciously upsetting to people as a result of this getting late. Okay. Do you have questions about that? That's not all clear. Our clam and clams Clem sisters. It's like a cla model, man. So it's fish, clams specifically, specifically clamps we descended from absolutely okay. Or at least the'din spent time and clams. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I get it. Okay. This, it's all internally consistent. This all works out. And then the motion of of me clasping my, you know, some against my finger, yes, is is upsetting is what he's saying? Yeah, it upsets people if you just do this just walk around the street today. Just do this at strangers, basically sock puppet, basically sock, puppet motions. If you live near L Ron Hubbard boulevard, just walked down at doing this. You really pissing people off. I live near the the whole church was Scientology. I live near the Scientology like movie studios. Fantastic. Yeah. I'm like in this area that we're all that stuff is very, we'll if a scientologist tries to abduct you, you know how to upset them. Do the clam thing. Yeah. Now, Hubbard did warn quote your discussion of these incidents with the uninitiated and Scientology can cause havoc. Should you describe the clam to someone you may restate it in him to the extent of causing severe job pain. One such victim after hearing about a clam death could not use his jaws for three days. So how's everyone's jaw feel? You know what? Starting tired, getting a little tired making so many good jokes about around my is tired, but I've read through sixteen pages. Nonsense. You know what doesn't tire your jaw out, and you know what? I'm not gonna do it torito's at now. You could've had a Doritos ad Doritos people, but instead I'm going to Schill for another product of the next product available, Lysol sanitizing wipes. That's what's good for you. Use Lysol San white yourself, clean your things away Satan's away. See Lysol got a freebie Doritos. Anyway, back back to the tail. So there's an awful lot of lunacy in Scientology. I'm not going to go into tremendous detail about all of the different crazy things. He said, because that could be a whole fucking ten part episode. Yeah, but it is important that you know it didn't all come together at once. You know, I think most people's understanding of Scientology's actual belief comes from that south park episode which did a pretty good job of summing it up, but he hadn't even invented all of this stuff yet everything about Zanu in that this was all added over time. It was definitely cobbled together. He did not just come out with suddenly this vision of how things had happened. Genius doesn't happen overnight. No, and neither do bullshit. Science fiction, short stories. The general, the story of Scientology's. The story of l. Ron Hubbard just making up things for seventy years and writing them down. And now people have to pay attention to him because it's a religion. Yeah, it's pretty great. He continuously expanded his claims of what Scientology could achieve in the book Scientology eight to eight thousand eight. I don't know what that's a reference to. He. Bragged with this book, the ability to make one's body older, young. At will the ability to heal the ill without physical contact, the ability to cure the insane and the incapacitated as set forth for the physician, the layman, the mathematician, and the physicist. So anyone can use the science to heal the sick weird that we still have sick. People shocking Scientology proved to be much better money making scheme than Dianetics had been Hubbard, moved to England and bought a gigantic manor house. He built facilities there and was soon making more than forty thousand dollars a week. Just at the English facility teaching auditors there. He's making millions and millions of dollars on in the world. This marked the end of L Ron Hubbard's money problems. Money is just you. If your questions, how do they afford that for any other part of the next two parts of the story is just he's richest shit. Okay. Like forever now, and this is one of those things. He does not have any more money problems like, and this is because people are just buying into this religion. And yeah, out outlying the books paying for training all over most of whom probably aren't super committed. Because like I've talked to a number of people in LA who did Scientology for years. So they probably spend. A couple of grand on it, but then they left, but there's a lot more people like that than there are committed scientologist. It's that good money, making thing got interest what it's always been, but I'll give it to him for this. It was a very idiosyncratic organization at its start in that initially caused some problems because he was bad at managing, but he really seems to have learned how to manage a really profitable gigantic worldwide enterprise, which is not easy. So again, one of the reasons why it's hard to hate him as much as you should is he's really competent like it's not like a guy who was just born rich Indo, shitty things like an unnamed person. We're all thinking of right now just as born rich and never has to work for his money and is prominent because the L Ron Hubbard was born poor and built a multibillion dollar religious cult. I, it's impressive. It's an impressive con shirt. Probably the most impressive Khan on April tenth nineteen Fifty-three l. Ron Hubbard wrote to one of his high-ranking followers and suggested turning their science self-help empire into a religion. I await you. Reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion, we couldn't get worse public opinion than we have had or have less customers with what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be necessary in Pennsylvania or New Jersey to make it stick. But I sure could make it stick. Not an accurate stuck well as someone from Pennsylvania from punks tiny specific of Tommy for sure. People are. Yeah, they're really impressionable there. So as the guy who defeated ISIS, I agree with you. In December of nineteen Fifty-three. L Ron Hubbard incorporated three new churches, the church of American science, the church of Scientology church of spiritual engineering, all in Camden, New Jersey, jersey boy. In February of nineteen fifty four. He incorporated the church of Scientology in California over the course of nineteen fifty four. He encouraged Dianetics foundation franchise holders because that's how it had spread so rapidly. People were starting franchises to turn their businesses into independent churches. Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah, really came together real well. Executives of the Hubbard association of Scientologists were now ministers some even call themselves reverence. Just let people call them something. Errands. Whatever I've always wanted to be a Reverend Scientology wouldn't qualify as a religion for the purposes of tax exemption until nineteen Ninety-three. This was a battle, the battle to get accepted like it took a long time. I'm not gonna get into everything they had to do it. We was it was a fucking uphill, but starting in nineteen fifty four. That's when he starts consistently saying, this is a religion. This is the point at which Hubbard quick claiming to be a researcher in a scientist and started presenting himself to the world as defied holy may sickly yet to basically assigned. He's definitely a holy man. Definitely a holy man. He, of course, drew government attention particularly from the f. b. i. this made him grow more and more paranoid. The encourage believers to attack anyone practising Scientology outside of the church apostates were called squirrels and should be sued out of existence. The term squirrel is still used by the church of Scientology. You can find YouTube videos called squirrel busters type that in. It's like guys with like gopro cameras, just like yelling Scientology nonsense. It's supposed apostate Scientologists. Yes. Awesome. In going clear, it's weird really uncomfortable. It's like two people yelling about a video game that you don't know anything about it. So technical and specific, are you on tech? I wouldn't. You talking. Hubbard advised scientologist who were arrested heckling nonbelievers or apostates to immediately sue for a hundred thousand dollars in claim religious persecution. He said the only proper response to any kind of challenge to the church was unrestricted. Warfare attack attack attack. Never stop. Attacking always be attacking. It works the ABA. I mean, it's it's the same social media strategy that the the president uses like, you never apologize for doing something bad. You always just attack new people in if you get attacked for something, you find like it works. Yeah. Yeah. Don't spend any time addressing problems just attack really successful idea. So Hubbard figures this out in the early fifties and applies it to his religion. So cool. It is cool. Yeah. The coolest throughout the late nineteen fifties, auditing sessions and courses devolved from semi scientific discussions of Dianetics into lurid stories of past lives as aliens and famous historic figures. One of Hubbard's followers your called there was a good deal of rivalry as to who could dig up the most notable or extrordinary past life. Jesus of Nazareth was very popular at least three London Scientologists claim to have been covered incidents in which they were crucified and rose from the dead to save the world Queen Elizabeth, the first Walter rally and the venerable Bede were also popular, funnily enough. I never met anyone who claimed to know anything about Attila the hun Genghis Kahn or punches pilot. Which is if you're ever pretending to have fake lives, pretend to be someone cool, right? Yeah, no one wants to be a goody two shoes in the past. Yeah, boo. Yeah, I was fucking gang. That's a cool pass life. Yeah. Now the CIA had taken an interest in Hubbard in nineteen fifty seven and the f. b. i. had been onto him for a while most be because of the hundreds of letters heat sent them claiming. People were communists in nineteen sixty run Hubbard officially spooked the government when he urged his followers to do everything in their power to stop the election of Richard Nixon, not on the wrong side of history there. Now Nixon didn't win probably for other reasons because JFK was just such a charming son of a bitch, but the whole escapade convinced Hubbard that he could use his coal to gain political power in August of nineteen sixty two. L Ron Hubbard wrote a letter to president Kennedy claiming that Scientology was the only way to train human beings for the rigors of space light since Hubbard and his followers were all aware of their past lives, Espace travelers. They really were the best people to manage astronaut training. Absolutely. Totally. Again, logically consistent the s. and NASA stands for Scientologists. He said in his letter to JFK quote, man will not successfully get into space without us. We do not wish the United States to lose either the space race or the next war. The deciding factor in that race or that war may very well be lying in your hands at this moment and may depend on what is done with this letter. Courteously Ron Hubbard spoiler alert we did get into space without them. Have we know I've seen those staged moves. Let's see. I think the moon landing is staged, but I think it's because we really landed on Venus. Oh, that's an interesting theory. Okay. And that's where cell phones come from? Yes, the government doesn't want you know with that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, back to L Ron Hubbard in January of nineteen sixty three. The FDA carried out a raid on the church of Scientology. They didn't get much. It seems like one of those things where they basically cooked up a bullshit reason because e meters were labeled improperly and we're like making health claims, they should make, but the using the excuse to send them like dozens of armed men and stuff to like raid a facility. It was like it was. It was an overreach of force. It seemed like they were expecting to find a cache of weapons or something crazy because this Colt seems so crazy and they didn't church of Scientology is probably more in the right than the FDA was although they were publishing misleading stuff. Yeah, the raids seems to have been kind of bullshit. Well, they read, you know, works from well. Is it Remington Winchester Colt in exactly. Got three good. The whole thing increased out on Hubbard sense of paranoia and persecution in nineteen sixty five Hubbard introduced ethics technology to his new faith, which included conditions that could be applied to people when they had ethical lapses. One member who worked in Hubbard's English manor is a Butler recalled. I was assigned a condition of emergency because I served him salmon for dinner. That was not quite fresh. I was shocked. You had to go through a whole formula, write it up and submitted with an application to be upgraded. Scientology develops new cadre of ethics officers who are basically secret police tasked with punishing the insufficiently dedicated disloyal different penalties, including a condition of liability could be imposed members in a condition of liability had to wear dirty gray rags on their arms. They also couldn't like bathe and stuff. It was gross church members who screwed up too badly. We're declared suppressive persons, these people Hubbard declared. We're fair game to be destroyed by any means necessary. Now, Australia had been a hotbed of scientologist activity, Australia. Okay. Yeah, Hubbard brag that it was going to be the first clear. Tenant. But in October of nineteen sixty five and Austrailian board of inquiry published a report on Scientology and they wholeheartedly condemned the Colt. So Australia basically kicked them out. They said, it seemed so silly that people would think it was harmless, but that is really fucking dangerous. Scientology's evil, its techniques, evil, its practice, a serious threat to the community medically, morally and socially, and it's adhered, sadly, deluded, and often mentally ill. Austrailia knows what is talking about. Yeah, and they ban him, they basically banned so or at least the state of Victoria basically banned Scientology and I hate to say it, but we owe a lot of that to Rupert Murdoch newspapers. He owned and he seems to have been personally involved in really pushing coverage of how crazy Scientology was which is responsible for starting the investigation which got it banned. He gave them their first nickname, which is also the only nickname aware of for them Bunka Malla. She didn't take off their Rupert Murdoch's, not graded naming things now, but credit to a monster. He was in the right this one time in the fucking sixties. England began to crack down more on Hubbard and Scientology as well with the US Australia and UK all clearly against him l. Ron Hubbard began to look for a new place to basis growing faith. His first instinct was Rhodesia you ever heard of Rhodesia I don't think so. I mean it's in Bob way. Now. Rhodesia is the name when a bunch of white people were ruling over the black majority. Pretty brutally. It was a very much an apartheid state. There's a civil war. The people in charge got overthrow. And before that happened, he went to Rhodesia and basically promised to put a bunch of money into the local economy, and he wrote a new constitution for them than was meant to trick black people into thinking their votes mattered without actually letting the vote weirdly enough Rhodesia actually kicked him out. They didn't want anything to do with them. Oh, yeah. No, no, it's weird. You expect it to go even worse, but even the country of racists run by racists for racists. And it's still like a major in fire, right? White supremacist talking points today to talk about radio. They didn't want anything to do with outrun Hubbard. So I guess props to Rhodesia. Once he got back from Africa l. Ron Hubbard began to cook up a scheme to escape all his myriad legal troubles. One of his friends were called him saying, you know, John, we've got to do something about all this trouble. We're having with governments. There's a lot of high level research that still has to be done, and I wanna be able to get on with it without constant interference. Do you realize that seventy? Five percent of the earth's surface is completely free from the control of any government. That's where we could be free on the high seas. 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Part 2:Rick Hammerle, Nick Tammaro

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:01:38 hr | 1 year ago

Part 2:Rick Hammerle, Nick Tammaro

"Got a lot of the topics that we touched on with Jay proven earlier too and WanNa get hammers take first of all Amer good morning. Good morning very strange to be sitting at the kitchen counter on the day before the On the first Friday of May right usually you're you're at Churchill or at the very worst up in Cincinnati. Yeah at era the old river. Downs activities you in the buddies are famous for the it's It's definitely different. But boy we really got a sense. Amer I keep. Reiterating really started yesterday with those discussions with Pat McKenna and with Darren Rogers it just kills like we're we're really you know stoking up the the coal car and firing up the locomotive it feels like Kind of pulling out of the station finally makes the heart grow fonder. We Are Getting Ready. Yeah and You know whether all where all All systems go for everybody. We'll find out in a couple of weeks but boy it's great news to get into. May to hear that Numerous tractor contracting getting back to normal or semi normal at least raping on-track without fans. But at least they'll be able to see it would be great and bet on a hammer I wanNA. I WANNA get some thoughts about what you heard and some of the people. You're in constant conversation and get some opinions about Oakland today as well. But I gotta ask you You're ardy Hubbard Thoughts and experience and involvement. It's crazy I know a lot of people in the business in and out Mr Hubbard was not one of them When he was back East and when I came back here just never are pat ever cross. I think I met him one And I unfortunately it sounds like he all through the years. I've heard about it. But he sounds like a guy that I would absolutely love to have been around and with. Was that a needing one time. Many many years ago played golf at his golf course out in Palm Desert Bighorn and let it was without informative. As a matter of fact we were out there for some kind of meeting. And then one time as one of his residences out there and That's it I really had no contact with kind of crazy With all of you know things like with all the comings and goings and all the people and places you go but no never never had the pleasure to spend much time at all. Mr Hubbard but He was like you said all the all the when you have that many people think that many good things about this It's true and and I have good friends that knew him very well and always had great story so Sorry that I didn't miss them surname. He's gone and you know. Just just never Never cried how about that. We'll we'll check with Jeff. Siegel will get SEGEL's thoughts. I'm in our three and undoubtedly Can the Hollywood connection obviously and Johnny looking forward to Johnny talking about him as well? On Monday. Well let's dive in then and Horseman Reaction and and you know what's the what's the pulse That you've heard in the last seventy two hours. It's a little tentative bill But you know I think everyone afraid to get too excited about About things but the number one the number one thing out there is. There's hope there hasn't been hope here for a long time and Just the fact that they've moved on and said Hey we're going to be ready to go. It was a good move. I thought more aggressive play like this Should have been taking place. The whole time so Happy to have at least something on. The calendar May Fifteenth the course of the day that coincidentally as the day that things are supposed to be lifted here. But you know we. This is California. Strange things are politically happened. We have you know the governor who's threatening to each town in in Orange County and he actually threaten to shut down the whole stay so You threatened to not threatened but THERE'S A. There's some talk that we might be going thirty first for the for the lockdown so a lot of moving parts here by the good move by say that's put a book out. GotTa someone's been you know crying for that for a while you gotta give some hope out there so if if the word comes out in the next week or so that Health Department of the yield health departments. So as to stamp their approval but if that does happen Sounds like they'll be ready to run on May fifteenth. They've they've set up a couple of provisions that haven't been tiredly worked out in the onsite You know for the Jackson the starting Gate Croon valid. So I haven't heard a whole lot about that You know having people stayed there during the during the racing time the three days of racing. So that's a couple of things that have worked out but There's a little hope here a little apprehension as well that there's been too long in between drinks Here so It's a good thing. If we get started on get get started on on May fifteenth and run five or six weeks and then down mark and come through with their plan which which has been talked about starting You know and and in July at least have some continuity to get something going because people are but face if they're talking about You know relocating again to places that are a little bit more or for ground you know tat sat in with the New York and Churchill and other other places like Lone Star. Maybe Indiana talking about going. You know maybe the time we get to mid mid name shown we'll have some some A lot more racing for the summer for everybody. So it's it's it's tentative. It's tentative here but it's the at least a step in the right direction and more parley except right in the mental direction for people at least saying. Hey maybe what's going to happen? Excellent excellent well. Then let's Step in the direction of springs and closing closing weekend. We got two cards and they're good ones hammer and take a quick thing. I'm hoping I'm hoping that during this time of chances to step back a little bit we meaning the the game itself and hopefully kind of chance to you know. Think about things and what's important. What's not how we hopefully learned a lot from the TV experience You know that we can get together on an at six to eight seven months from now come out and and be a little bit more united a little more friendly with each other a little bit that the game is important and You know maybe we can come up with some common common ground On on take downs on wagering rolls on on claims on timing races navy just as a good time that we can say you know what that's present a better product out there. Let's be a little bit more consistent on What we show the public the public has stood up and said hey we like and we want to bet on racing. Yeah I mean bet fodder park and Rabat now will rogers and Tampa and it's been shown has been okay you know. We don't need the overwhelming Stuff on television. I think that some of the ways you've been presented in a little take it a step back and not in so down your throat so to speak with with a with a lot of things going on this show the rates as being consistent and I think this might be a chance for for raise me. Get their stuff together and and I just hope that that's an insult of the soapbox about two good cards at oaklawn. WanNa say one thing about the split of the Arkansas Derby This is a crazy year in anyone. That has any complaints about that is really really not looking through the right Right third glasses. This is this is a goodwill situation Charlotte and win the got in. We'll guess what if with a normal year he wouldn't come here. He could run and many other races and other horses in there. This is just a goodwill gesture. Let the horses run. Yeah okay. That's normal year. Maybe it gets down on a little bit by by. You know again a few extra horses and they're splitting it. I think it's all positive. Any negative negatively towards. This is moving in the wrong direction. That's just that's just enjoy the car. I I really don't think this is the time to start getting negative to to great cards. Saturdays is super. Today's is wonderful. And let's just go forward with it but We started today. The last four races With the with the Old Arkansas readers championship and you know what I love when they do this with these things they they make them long do about short rates during the year. And then you know what? Let's try some. Let's try long when for the Big One. So couple of question marks and hear about some of the horses that can go along but but I I get the feel that that After being around some of Arkansas breads and the way they go if you can run you're gonNA start you're gonNA run long. Distance really matters. I narrow this down to the first three promising shoes might be a little bit of a price there. I like to address a little bit. Ability is sure has been the one all year going short and has shown some ability to go along. But my my just totally outclassed these but I narrow those are the ones who stray myself and that and also in years one of the great names. That's all year Bannon. The can on the outside so for some of them throw that went in and then the Gardenia. Great moves dropped. We look at how many three year old fillies out there from all over the place and great move on this race in years. A little you know little spot for the the ones that didn't WanNa go fantasizing And Bob has one in Gingham Definitely not Definitely not a lot of Comes OUT FROM CALIFORNIA? Which which is. Many many of us have actually. There's there's a bunch of California ours is In all all three days but GINGHAM looked one. The one move here that just stands out like a sore thumb when Bob Baffert could blinkers on a horse. Incredible Then at twenty two numbers unbelievable. They're just I off the roofs and And I don't know what he looks at her. What he sees but You know he just Kinda says you know what I think blinkers on these shows. GotTa Use Gingham in there Definitely not a lock Quick Decision from Larry Jones Barn. Go rest some real nice races like the way. He's she's Kinda tapped out and all her races The stretch out looks like it might be okay for her even though she's a little bit of a steep ball. But that's fine and I've heard I heard Heard Antoinette mentioned earlier in the show. I don't know how you overlook Plan that horse at all Comes to town with a few his and You know their long shot for me. Is the eleven laurie. Thomas is coming and had a great meat especially and some steaks here. And that makes you log. Lander racist was a tough one and She might sneak in under the radar. That's that's my little bomber in there because we get to the fantasy Venetian harbour. Stand out to me Over over British idiom. It's great to see these teammate. What a what a really nice field put together here Venetian harbour like this. She was good as it's everyone here. Says she has and You know the numbers look like it. Pratt's been very excited about about her all along and I WANNA see her go. Kenney next week's in there with the Gulf Park Oaks winner with skydiver We'd like Sir last time so I don't think we'll get the price we did but but she's she's Going to be there and then Lake Avenue Lake Avenue on. I think it's GONNA is part of the Maku that that came in and then run a bad rate last time. Just I don't know just kind of didn't look comfortable race. I was watching her and Johnny v takes over. So I think it's it's one of those three but I'm excited to see Venetian harbour like here explode here and show it. She has so That's today I forgot. I gotta get tight on today. using the Tampa Day for me on Friday. But I'M GONNA throw a Little Oakland as well. And what about you for those great? Steve did you come up with any any Any bombs that we need to know about. Actually you included. You included several promising shoes. I want with Jay's nobility man in the CAN I agree but I I also included bandit point who's tend to one On the girls race. I'm probably GONNA use five the Gardenia and It starts with quick decision. I might actually might even cut this to three quick decision strong flag and it's one that harbor and And Harvey's little oil and I think there's a chance you might get away with those two I even even though I respect the opportunity for British idiom to move forward as I said You know knickknacks on over this yesterday but I think because you want to spread a little bit in the Arkansas race and is I think you need I think in you need three. And maybe even four in that nightcap Spend spend spend and wholehearted got an edge but I'M GONNA use unique factor and I'm a huge rain tree starlet fan. And I think she's been really dirtied up for Ryan Williamson and I. I'm GONNA probably include her as a be so you know I'm GonNa lean heavily on on away in the first leg. You know the you know the Brad Cox right second timer and and then you know. Try to spread Where appropriate. Let's get the Saturday. We're going to get roll along here. First part of the first half of the Derby I just out this morning aboard scratches which let's face it we kind of figure that but we're running to nine good thing is we didn't get four scratches on one side so that's the look at that as a positive so we run into nine charlatan. I mean he justify I mean. He's sure is walking in his in his shoes right now so I I'm going into the stake. It's got the rail. He's going to go anyway. I mean the old shortest wait around trek. And that's what he's GonNa do go to the front and and Step on the gas so we all WanNa see what what you can do and getting he has been governed more gouverneur Morris. Excuse me You know we Kinda we kinda crazy horse. He's not that good. He's okay why you've coming up to this race. I think pretty. Pretty darn good and and Todd's not just taking a shot here. I think you're GonNa see an approved racer whether he can run down Charlotte's and we're not sure but This job looks like a you know three to five one to two in here and I don't know how deep you want to go If you're going to take a shot draw us a couple of other ones but Let's say if drugs in the horse to be next race pokemon handicap Wide Open. I think my my take your I. Think PROVISO IS GONNA run up super race. That's thirty two one in the program. I I think he's sitting on a good one One way or another so I'm going to be using him up down Mister free. Of course I'm never run that race back to me was headed to Dubai But the break. I think we'll probably do in finding boy he's GonNa take some beating in there yet may happen you not use the sanity handicap winner combatants At all and I like the way by my sanders came back. I mean with authority last time off in the New Orleans race. So those right now I'm starting improbable once again. Will I mean how did this happen at fourteen hold again I don't think that really don't think there's been a problem. You could get a nice little trip. I don't see how he manages his era too far To lied somewhere along the way he's going to be there but I don't see winning. Second half of the Arkansas Derby now eight. We've got a little context here and I after going up and down down enough. I've narrowed it down to three horses have won the most racers. Just three horses have won. Three races. silver prospector and wealth. By nothing. Fancy there but let's face it. That's that's what we're trying to do here. Pick a horse is GONNA win. I'm not I'm not a ninety five percent on the doll as far as a believing in him that he that horse Would love his love? His CANASTA league doesn't win but he didn't win it by too many but he really had to fight so I'd like to see what he can do it here against some real horses king gear accord and he ran through the. Tv ran such a good number. I just don't know if he can repeat it. Storm the court. I don't know it just doesn't doesn't excite me that much on the winning fried on or do we have to do to settle it down and try to stick their early but I'm GonNa go with proven winners and the girl silver prospector and and And well spy and in the last we gotta come up with that That long long race. I like you know what that a great year for? Joe Tallow came in. He's done fantastic. Andy Reid divorce called. She might fell in the lap. And you know what I like the source so I I mean the current including Trillon Gray but She might sell in the last of the last marathon so big day of racing could tell you what it looks like. It's like a like a marathon. You gotTa Pace yourself today. Make sure you have bullets left for tomorrow. Which is always After the Minneapolis. So that we haven't so have it just enjoys the racing don't don't Don't need to whine about this. That and the other thing zip back enjoy it it's GONNA coverage on on All over the Place Fox sports one. I mean they're really attacking this and it's great I think I think we really we racing at show that You know we. We can't take the spotlight and done a great job in presenting it to maybe some people out there. So let's have a great couple of days and you got a lot of people lined up and save you give. You carried a lot of us through this time. So hopefully we're We're getting towards the end. We can start rolling well hammer enjoy and get lucky and appreciate you know the added Insight and more from the week of Santa Anita that I know people tomorrow. We're going to see a lot of the video. Maybe even today That Derek Lawson shot that I put up online with that seemed to really you know the very polite but it seemed to really get some notice and You know feels like a positive that you know is going to hit home and get things going and boy it'll be it'll be just in time and welcome obviously for the southern California racing. Ud L. Very attentive. WanNa make sure that they're out there on the front lines mainly turned around it. You know. Somebody's got back in his also pushing with them so they're little people on different pages here so everybody can get together and start doing the right thing as in anything and it all starts with communication and hopefully that will get better but Raytheon. Let's have a great great couple of days and report back and We're GonNa do good things that have excellent hammer. Thanks so much and talk over the weekend down. Great joy everybody Ra- Camberley and the scene in Southern California will stay right here. Nick Tammaro standing by Nikolai Set YOU UP. You heard the replay. You got set for the Friday action and I'll make final adjustments to my own place once we get some scratches. Let's dive in For the Saturday Action Nick Mourning morning. We're good we're good. I do want to see if you know. These are big fields. I WANNA see anybody comes out before we lay out plays. And let's get into Saturday and before we talk about the late sequence. I did you look much beyond the pick five. I'm one of the two allowances that lead into the pick cyber both pretty pretty competitive and taken a little bit of a look at those nothing to extensive but That raises a good good matchup with Don Vito. Corleone coming back off that surprising maiden win and running now into basically one other than competition. which is I. Guess it's probably led by Benintendi. Who's coming in from Laurel for Brittany Russell and looks to be probably the inside? Speed so Knowing how the track is playing a little bit by that time of day I think you can adjust your wagers accordingly and remember. There's a pick four on the first floor. Racism insist through eighth pick five that closes the card out from ten to the fourteenth. So I'm the ninth is a is a competitive allowance. Actually you know what there was one one worse I did want to mention. He's not gonna be going to be a huge favourite but the fifth of the super interesting race and this is a lot of words that were excluded from the Oakland handicapped. I answered it was going to bed. Pirates Punch the Oklahoma Handicap. I thought his last race for for grant forster with outstanding. He sat on top of a really really strong pace and just exploded when they turned for home and he looked like something definitely capable of great stakes races. And so I'm going to be excited to see what he does not gotten particularly great post but this looks a ton of upside and the chance to really move forward. Well in fact James brought him up to and I assumed I don't know if they're I've I've noticed. The restaurants are open in hot springs but I I've run into grant forster at studies across the street from the track so Maybe maybe look for for grant At the at studies Let's get into the pick five sequence and of course we'll remind people that in the seventh race gamine For baffert lot of is on her. And there is some you know there. There is that the McCarthy Speech is in there too that. Castellanos riding but Geneen will be a one of the heavy favorites of the weekend and then let's turn to race ten neck and rundown this pick five. Yeah Super Competitive. Race started which I think you'd expect given what we've seen at oaklawn recently and I guess the the conversation mainly starts with footage day in Russia. Who Look like they're going to be. The two favorites participates big. Step forward on the SLOP last on getting the lead and never looking back and probably horse. That did still has a little bit of room to move forward. You wonder of course when things like that happen was at the slop was at the isolated lead you know was it a combination of both He's not GonNa get an isolated lead in here. He's probably not going to get the flop so it makes you wonder if he can be quite effective. It does look as if he'll be sitting if not not on a lead should be very close. Nobly looks like a horse from the inside. GonNa probably end up making the lead. The horse that I'm most interested in from abetting perspective is back around and background ran a very good race to Brisbane in the nightcap on South West Day and Then it has caught sloppy tracks two times in a row and last time really was added to this from the start. He was probably never to be all that effective against that field and making a bit of the middle move is the field down the backstretch. That was the supersonic pace. That oaklawn steak clearly was not gonNa work background saver but now back on a dry surface the posted this is obviously not ideal but this isn't worth it showed some potential and of course couple of starts. I think if he can get a few things to go his way he can certainly bridge that gap. They're going to be a lot of people at that. Russia in large part because he was towed home by Charlatan. I'm not really sure if this'll be a good test in terms of whether the speed figures right probably not going to give you a lot of an indication about whether you should vet Charlotte and I think it's going to be a very likely winner at one to five or so but it will be show you what was behind him that day or being a distance and And and Russia seems like an effective horse. He doesn't seem like anything that you have to be particularly bowled over by. I can't talk to. I guess it's GonNa get some support as well dropping class off. The couple agreed takes for todd pletcher. It's worth noting. That outside of Farmington Road Fletcher ship into this meat. Have Been Pretty. They've underperformed and we'll see obviously he's got quite a few more on this card. And and this is a horseshoe seems versatile enough to be at me back and they run if necessary and don't taps into traditional Steve so as far as starting to pick five. I think you're GONNA WANNA find a way to include him. A both prodigious bay in Russia and background is that all of that leaves a hoping that that he can use it up a little bit to get. It started at a price. Yeah you know it's funny you you look around there. There are some horses that that have in a kind of similar looks and and feel like they're you know well within range. I I sort of had ignored this race at so I'm going to have to dive in myself later. I was Kinda concentrating on the stakes. And and the pick four sequence starts the pick five and from a timing standpoint It'll be five fifty four eastern time all right so Just before six to start the pick five. The first division of the Arkansas Derby goes off at six thirty eastern essentially six twenty nine in and Charlatan The job got easier with shooters. Shoot having a a hiccup and Spiking fever so earns got to leave this one in the barn and had already already come early in fact to Oakland and that allowance win and on on the last one of the other stake days and really Kinda too bad. Because I think some people had latched onto this horse. Yeah well it's too bad. Of course both because we want to see what he could do and obviously in large part because it probably would have been the main competition for Charlton early He was no competition for Charlotte and in that one debut when he was able to To get a pretty clear comfortable lead and go on with it. I'M GONNA look. There's not much use me that I have to say about Charles. And he's clearly a very very talented horse that being said he completely untested. This probably won't end up proving to be much of a test. He should get a pretty easy lead from the inside and I would imagine Hawaii the field. I think he's going to be used as a single in most pick. Fives I will probably use them as a loan. A couple of backups. Maybe not very many and just assume that he's GONNA win. I just kind of a nuisance that there's been a couple of scratches in this race was split. It ended up the way it did. Because we're really not going to learn a whole lot about him and I think if you if you switched him in the dolls and we saw an adult here and saw Charlotte and facing some of the heavy had seconds vision. We would at least know little bit more about what he has in the tank. So we'll find that out down the line. Obviously we're still four months away from potential Kentucky. Derby start anyway so we'll have to see but outside of him. I mean it. Just you know giving them. Morris looks like the second likeliest winner. He's a horse that handled the jump in class relatively well. He didn't embarrass himself in the Florida. Derby but the only real the only guy think credible thing you can say about his Florida Derby performances that he made really the only meaningful off the pace move and that was a racist very much dominated on the throne of chivalry hung in there for a second huge price. So it's pretty clear that that pace was definitely on the slower side Different probably will undoubtedly will benefit. If there's a little bit of pace in front of just you know becomes a question of whether any other writer will go on a suicide mission to stay within a couple of length of Charlatan in the opening stages so i. I don't have anything clever to say about this race. Unfortunately it's it's turned out to be bit of the Doug with scratches and things getting even easier for the heavy favorite and it's a shame because base and and And even door now looking to restart rebuild off the the layoff following the poor performance is Sarah Grounds. There's going to be so up against it with the way it should unfold expecting like everybody else's Charlotte. Liar job excellent The Oakland Handicap. This is a terrific race. I mean I could. I could probably spend time talking about half the field. At least and then there's a decent chance I leave the eventual winner out your courses like warriors charge and to an extent by my standards. That are looking to validate past graded stakes victories in clearly. What is undoubtedly a tougher spot? You've of course Tacitus who you know. I've five like numerous times and And some mostly to my detriment but you know he's the worst thing enormous drop in class and he's running against the best sources in the world last time and and really for the most part throughout the latter part of Twenty nineteen including the Jockey Club Gold Cup and he's facing calibrate in here so he's supposed to win. You know with all due respect to Jose. Ortiz is on the men from an injury. I think this is a terrific jockey. Change I think one of those scenarios where it were teasing. This horse just didn't click anymore and a lot of poor. Decisions were made By his rider going obviously down to dead rails and being wide on Belmont Day and clearly. There was a huge advantage to being inside. I think this is of course that needs a little teeny change of scenery. And I guess he's GonNa get it in terms of race track and jockey so I I wanted to as much as possible. Avoid using taxes. But I'm going to ask you because it looks like a racist setup for him. I think it will lay back and make one run and I think that's the key if they get back to that style that made them effective in the wood memorial and the Tampa Derby and to an extent even the Kentucky Derby and the Belmont that I think he becomes a much more dangerous horse. The one I can't figure out exactly what to do within here is combating. Who was obviously nothing? Better than a great three or listed stakes dirt horse for Steve Asmundsson then went to John Sadler. I took a big step forward and won the big cap so I'm not certain if I really want to buy it in terms of whether he is going to potentially continue to move forward I I I think that you have to use them to pick five play. Unfortunately because he's clearly one of the horses that can win but you know I just don't know what we're going to get s insane to be set for trophy chaser at least from my perspective. This is of course. It's taken a huge step forward. His last couple of starts and granted very trip and the Challenger last time sitting just off of a small pace and that race was nominated on the front end. But you know. He came for their jobs that they they were well. Clear deal that they laid over on paper and this is of course a ton of tactical speed a great inside post and really a perfect profile for this race given an outside of warriors charging Mr Free. He seems like the next best feed horse and so Mr Freeze for some reason. Defers allows warriors charge to get the lead or vice versa. Should really sit perfect. Trippy during the pocket. Or maybe stocking just off and to me that would make him a horse. You definitely have to use I. I'm GonNa take a negative stance on climate standards. I know some people like this. I don't really get him His trip was about as soft as you could possibly get last time and I keep to get anything but that type of trip this time around being drawn on the far outside and having to deal with some serious during we speed I know he's had limited opportunities outside of fairgrounds but he looks like a horse. Maybe is absolute best Zehr which is consistent with a lot of what this bar does. So we'll see I. I have more of a negative opinion of him but You know he's clearly horse. It on best days can no content reiterate the the as in here. I mean I talked about how many horses and didn't even mentioned improbable. Of course it's got a bad outside. Police would use as well given the the Oakland Mile performance touch. I mean as for certain for me are going to be nine fourteen. Seven six and two. And I'LL PROBABLY USE MR freezing by my standards as backups also GonNa Captivating Moon as a backup. He's going to be you know more of a see type. Of course because he's he's probably not likely winner but he made kind of sneaky good run into an extremely slow paced last time and and might be one of that could just be in line to capitalize. It gets really hot on front well. And he's a horse in Chris. Block fashion. Maybe I'll pull out the go find giant oaks. Pp's here's a five year old and this sources making tiny little incremental improvement. You know blocks not finished with him but he he hits a lot of boards to. He's he's hit sixteen six. Did the Board in Sixteen of twenty two starts definitely pays for himself and he put in a good run lack. I'm interracially really had no business finishing in the money so he would benefit. Of course. It's the racetrack. Were to come up wet. Which doesn't like it's going to and and we all know there's a huge battle in which is a relatively likely scenario. Let's get to the second division and much. More contentious of divisions of the Arkansas derbys. Yeah no doubt about it. This is the one that I think everybody will be tuning into people about how the first division you consider the northern spur and this is actually the Arkansas Derby which that's that's great. It's been a boil down to a and I think this sticks out when you beat spend any amount of time looking on paper is it. How much wells value? Nidal in King Year battle on the front end you know I it with three speed horses in the field of nine. It seems very unlikely that somebody could sneak away. And and maybe get the run of the race Especially given that wells via clearly has improved a ton when they turned him into a one dimensional speed horse. And and I imagined that a good gauge jockey like four onto ruin a quick break course like this is really going to come out with his mind on business and they. They've got to figure out how to clear this field and not night workout. Okay because King here Mo is more than likely going to be a little bit better sitting right off. The question becomes a doll. And if the dog wants to protect that position inside of wells by you then I think you're going to be looking at this pace getting very very fast and And that's GONNA open the door for the horses that are coming from Ogden. I mean that makes Farmington road dangerous. It makes tie Schon dangerous only because he was a horse that that showed a little bit more ability to sit off the pace and I actually thought he read. Great Neil on steaks and I was. I was surprised to receive much support as he did that day. What five to two and was really getting that hard from the start and and Rosario got him into a good spot early but he made that premature move in a race that was clearly collapsing collapsing and ultimately the ones who finishes came from deep deep in the pack and Farmington road was seventeen links out early and I think Mr Big news about fifteen outerly Sean arguably ran the best race that day and is a horse. It's probably going to be sitting in another good position. I don't know of the tracks in the last two have moved him up a little bit. But I'm not scared enough about that to to get off him And it also helps over prospector. I'm not completely convinced. It's over. Prospect wants to go a mile and an eight. I think that he's probably going to be better a little bit shorter. I know that that we have them in the south and of course he partly the perfect trip into a nice win that day and still really just just only in the late stages got clear of a really grudging A phone in wells by you. So I'm not. All that enamored with the horses entered types but They feel like they're really going to get the right kind of set up in here and that makes this race. I think where you're GONNA ask to spread your ticket pretty wide. Who's I've got an answer in mind but curious who you think will be under bed here roles lawyer. I think he's going to be. I think he's going to be the horse gets forgotten the wagering. Only because he's GonNa be outside Spe- I think the dolls price goes down quite a bit I mean I think it's probably either emerging ear mo- that gets under bed over bet than me by far is starting to wrote. I think I think stormed the court is going to get forgotten about in here. Well you know what and to be perfectly honest with you. I've been acting like he's not even in the race because I just don't think he's any good but you're right. You're you're you're right about that. And I think a lot of people are going to be as flipping about it as I've been and And probably take that same approach but Yeah I think that's fair. And and being as I said on being to dismisses him coming off of the of I guess a hold on tight performance being third behind authentic and clearly. Peter is working back into probably into some kind of form. I just felt like he was a beneficiary of circumstance in juvenile and that he wanted historically weak version of it when both favorites didn't show up at all but Look I mean if somebody wants to tell me that that they're gonNA use them in here at eight or ten to one and that that he has a chance to win. I'm not making taking a big stand against that. There's two things about the him in this spot and about where he is right now. That are intriguing. And that is that is to efforts are being viewed publicly as in fear you know as as no step forward when in fact they've been very distinct step forward right. I agree and I think it's I think it's one of those where Depending on what type of see figure using and how you want to assess the racist yourself whether it's by or with you know some other form of assessment You'll see exactly Y- you'll you'll determine how you feel and I think it's it's expected to often especially from a potential champion that that being said I mean there's a big difference between how much he's moved forward on different measurable speak figures. But that being said I mean. I think that people are often expecting in terms of buyer. Figure eight and ten point improvement when you're talking about a three year old versus a two year old and and you know bring this back to the conversation we had yesterday about. Pretty Shitty and match. She really didn't leak in her comeback race. Make it look like she's taking a step forward at all and so it. It's a question now was sort of whether the pack is caught up to him in In these two races that he's now in twenty twenty but that being said I mean he's not appreciably slower than the horses that are going to be getting a lot of money in this race and so that's that to me is what is what would make him somewhat intriguing. I mean and the other thing too is the there really is one factor in this race is we don't really know how good can Jaramogi's Derby was very very good and it was one of the better performances by three year old this year especially in euros not named his law or trained by bastard and so what he has to offer coming back off of that is going to go a long way toward determining how this race up folding because he had a lot of speed and he clearly has the ability to carry it for a while. Didn't look like the extra sixteenth of a mile problem for him attack episode. It could as uncompetitive boring as the first division of the Arkansas Derby as this one is fascinating when we discuss psychosis here six horses now including storm a court and And I think one of those six will end up winning ultimately but I'm not certain I want to say she put a gun to my head. I wouldn't really want to have to answer well at the funny thing. Is he in so many different ways. I mean he's the male version of a British idiom. And you know the people have this. I think this you know the same questions that they're asking about her going into today. It's it's a very odd pairing. Actually when it comes to that the you know the the they both had to pack them move their their campaign. You know to to hot springs and a lot of people are going to line up against both of them. Let's get To so to reiterate again. Actually Nick Putting the word I write it down. Holy cow the to. What did I do? Oh there it is two six seven nine fourteen very good in terms of as That if you want to make sure to get through the second division of the Arkansas Derby finally the mile and three quarter the annual event the trails end as they call it and a tradition at Hot Springs. And there's a lot of lot of outfits that point for this race what it is. It is a race that there are a lot of claims made for And and I don't know of. Carlberg knew that when he took Carlos Sixes for sixteen thousand early in the media but ultimately become a trails end horse but now this looks like Pity deserving favourite than I imagined. He's going to get that down office for two one morning. Line coming in off of a a nice win in the the prep for this and they ran races of this type on the Arkansas. Or I'm sorry. I'm the rebel in southwest cards in the past just stretching every everybody out gradually and this is a horseback now is again in light. Charles Roberts on board which will certainly help. When you'RE GONNA talk start talking about fourteen furlong So Y- you know beyond him. I could see there being some support for Dangerfield back. Relatively quick of a good and very game win against twelve five cleaners and You know I it looks it. Looks a little odd but River Echo looks like a horse. I can go a mile and three quarters without a problem and this was a pretty cagey move by. Cipriano contrast this is a barn. That very quietly does good work at oaklawn throughout the Midwest and they clearly looked taking the source with an idea of bringing him back in a week and so I mean essentially control running source on Hollander restraining. Obviously he's GonNa have to run better than he did a week ago against the sixty two fifty cheapies. But you know what you'd be looking at as a horse that has some some tactical speed and you know with all of this foreign pedigree. You would think that the distance is not going to be much of a problem. I will admit I did not dig into the productivity of Gay Creek Dam but I would imagine that. There's a good good reason to believe that the horse will be able to go along way You have the ruse diesel. Who of course has twice won this race? He's not in good form at all and we really have to turn things around but you know hey. When he won this entry last year he really wasn't in good form so it's not GonNa shock anybody if he does take a step forward wild about you is. Of course that can just gallup logs forever. He's got a big win on the dirt mile and Abigail Tara so I think you WanNa give him some consideration for people with with bigger budgets in the in the pick five and wickets way closed into a slow paced by Dangerfield. Last time is of course also should be able go a little bit longer. Doesn't really have the style that you like an island. Three-quarters given that he likes to lay back and make one run but the literary so frequently has one form for about eight furlongs and then the whole script changes and there have been years where you've seen horses from from last to first in a matter of two long than your ends up being kind of relay race but funny rates enemy I I wish there mind to thirteen and it takes to be honest with you but I understand that. This has always been in Oakland staple until it'll be fun. No doubt I think a lot of people will end up relying on Carlos sixers and I don't really blame well it It's a great way to end the season and Oakland. I think a lot of people that had never bet oaklawn before This year they really ended up focusing even even before we had The cancellations and and we had You know tracks having to pull up and you know and delay their seasons. So Nick Good luck today tomorrow and now we at least know that we've got some things to look forward to in coming weeks with reopenings Now starting to to find their way onto the calendar. I appreciate Yesterday today you bet. Good luck thanks neck. Tammaro and Tam T. A. M. M. Y. Two one five. We'll stay right here because we've got tons yet to do and going to be joined by Ed Derosa. And then Anti Serlin Jeff Siegel Mike Welsh and Mary ramp. Ah Leney and ED steps in and have to add had to bypass last week with the kids They did they. Have you tied up like you know like like in like addams family values there? When the CAMPSIE bandbox burial Earlier this week of fun I love it. I love it added. Is Their photo evidence. No photo evidence. Unfortunately rare for me normally would've liked the gag but Yeah we're we're making the most of the time together. Happy to say that Can't lie and say I'm not looking forward to getting back east. The twin spires a couple of weeks here absolutely and in the meantime you know normally you and I and James and we'd we'd fold in Scott Shapiro and and You know yesterday. Darren was on the without the Davis but You know the the traditions are going to be transplanted. Ideally to the last week in April last week in August ed There's plenty of interesting things happening. vaction starts on TV. Tonight I know I think Secretary. The movie is going to be on tonight. And there's a lot of functions that are trying to get people in the spirit of Derby Day. Then there's you know the NBC telecast. They're they're gonNA be got this fund raising fantasy derby that some people are are intrigued by. There's you know there's plenty to happen tomorrow. And then you know the action on both Fox and NBC really all day long using oaklawn as the you know the major vetting opportunity. I think looking forward to a lot of the different variety. I think the industry's done a good job. Or mixing it up You know social media's been impossible to ignore the the rest of of people disappointed that we're not derby in this week and you know black thirty mentioned locally yesterday and then you know more national attention without today and what would have been Kentucky Derby Tomorrow And it's refreshing to see those casual fans or even people who you know like the pageantry. The event of the Derby missing it as well without being a friend of mine does that certainly would have been had. The event actually been going on so good good to see that optimism certainly hope they return in early September Hope we're able to return to it in early September but Not Nice to see You know the support or the event and people missing it and things like that but You know the Kentucky Derby but you know for what we do on a daily basis It's really hard to take away excitement from the car. Oakland put together and You know really the O- climb handicap in addition to the three-year-old race but to see the field back guy and see that race you know absolutely become a Land Lor- in this years older male division I think it's a big win for Oakland and hopefully the division for the rest of the year. Well let's let's get involved and quick thoughts anything today Yeah I'm definitely interested in in the fantasy I'm I'm really eager to see how a lot of these races actually get that when the money starts going through the windows. Venetian harbour. I'm absolutely fine with it to to one Not really sure. I want any less than that I asked on twitter yesterday. Did his Danny Garden said where he's running? I actually I have not seen that but I have not seen that. 'cause she she's twenty two one in the fantasy intend to one in the The Gardenia and I think I liked her and either five maybe not to win but certainly a horse. I want involved vertically I if Venetian Harbour. Just get that too heavy which you know certainly possible based off their three year old debut I go to Lake Avenue. Sorta the alternative if she ends up being the right price I think she'll be a little closer today than what we saw was Kinda Funky Gulfstream Park. Oh don't WanNa take anything away from With skydiver but Just kind of inherited the lead and Taco on that course the short stretch. It was just lights out turning for home so I I think we could see like avenue a little closer and have a little more punch today but two-to-one on Venetian harbors fine but lake avenue. the alternative harbor gets over and British idioms. Who I think's gone the wrong way Then we'll probably get the right price on avenue. Good anything else from today before we look at Saturday. Yeah I'M GONNA I'M GONNA lean on The Burrell Horse to A came in the other room just quiet and didn't bring knife the cage as something. That's the Arkansas Brad. Cage as low building. Yes thank you Nancy Stolen Calvin Limited opportunities for but he's made the most of them in this phillies the reason. Why or accounting. Excuse me sorry Super three at the meat. And just just look better than these. And sometimes you get that separation with the state red state so Singling back horse gives me a little more opportunity to pepper in an ice princess. Whatever ratio goes to and things like that? I mean these fields are so full in pick five even if you don't want to over extend and dip into your equity but I just have to think whatever combination you WanNa lean on is going to be an overlay with these big field. So maybe it doesn't take the big ticket you know. Maybe it's just one of those you know you like you like you can try to turn forty eight and fifty there. You go all right and I just reached out to Danny If I don't hear back from Dan Goggin I'm GonNa think that maybe Mary Ramp Alenia. We'll have that answer as well comes to where ice princess is going to go. Let's turn to Saturday at Derosa with us. And as we said with James Earlier The blog role and twitter and You know lots of Great Information Vance Hansen and everybody Teaming up on on this closing weekend with all the great action at Oakland is Gus Gus lab. Tomorrow's Card Right. Yes yes as a matter of fact so Gosh Forget which All these weeks to together as long as a team that we've been under that spell that he's he's actually had some pretty good licks During the Swiss quarantining and the sales responded I actually took a peek at Our April business and people maybe looking for a reason to play. Check this stuff out late. March early April and It's great to to see his numbers up because as you know as you know He he puts in earnest work and loved it as much as we do so glad to have him Basically pretty consistent every Saturday very much. Look for guesses. selections at Brisbane and dive into Saturday. Ed Give us Give us your thoughts around it down. Yeah well The I'm Bullish Charlton Which you know we all know. I'm not alone either I think he's the the best source of this crop. And if this were Kentucky Derby Day I'd probably go back to the well that I went to justify it ended up being an MP and and making me at amount of quarter of what I would think would be would have been. Three career starts and only one stake thrown. But this isn't the Kentucky Derby it's only amount in a and we've seen bathour ship into Oakland before voting meister was a so called the Powell or he looked awesome. American fare wasn't but you know you had the the long layoff and the the physical concerns and just ran lights out and rebel and then the Arkansas Derby so he just puts that profile baffert on how to get a horse to the stage and you know after that debut I thought well if he regresses maybe you can play against them third out and he pretty much just ran the the same race and am. I saying I'm going to bet him at one to five absolutely not but I'm not looking to double triple quadruple. The cost of my multi race plays trying to to beat him with another horse. And this is just going to be Hopefully in exhibition and you know with the added is watching. Maybe we'll we'll have a superstar that people can get excited about watching over the summer along with the horse like Tis the law who I know Barclays rich and the to get some run into them when naira reopened so Just that sort of a watch for me and I'm going to them and try to beat some favorites elsewhere. Go ahead Oaklawn handicap. I liked trophy chaser than the numbers are good enough That he's as good as the rest of most likely winter scenario but You know I'm single in Charleston so I don't really want to lean on all the logical but I can't live by my standards beat me I was so bullish on New Orleans and he rewarded that and You know I'm worried about him. Maybe being younger lay just psychologically and maybe long term. This is why it's tough to win at this game. But that's the horse. I can't live beat me. So those are the two. I'm probably heaviest You just have to to narrow when you're single one five. I am very much against the three morning mine favorites in the second division now. The doll Visually impressive that rebel was awesome. I'm one of the few that actually can say I saw live but the the numbers. Just aren't there. Steve and I don't mean that they're slow. He's obviously a superlative animal. But they're not there to take him as the favorite in the spot and then why wells by King Gear Malegaon. Just as the second and third choice. I I just feel like there's other options and I. I'd rather take no horses again charlatan than US. Favorites elsewhere so Silver prospector think can run a better race here. Amount IN A and FARMINGTON ROAD. Maybe a dollar bill type always running. Late doesn't quite get there. But he ran well enough in the Oakland stakes that It at this price against the courses. I'm more into running back. So those are the two I'm GONNA lean on. I have the two in the oaklawn Handicap in Charlotte in your home. Maybe I'll just try to this a few times instead of one ticket. Scott you don't you all right. So that's my plan for the graded stakes at least and I guess at Arkansas breadsticks. Race It. It does feel like you know. I think we saw this really the last few weekends. It Oakland you can count on the price coming Each who knows where it's common but Make your liens and then stake your claim elsewhere to things seem to rarely chalk out in hot springs. But you know the the favorites. Do OBLIGES DO. It would say so. Charlatan. Hardly a sexy single. But knowing I'm singling him I I just can't take any logical horse In the second division I need the hopefully stretch it a little bit. Ed Best to walk and get geared up have fun enjoy and the Joy Derby Day as it were and there's lots of watch parties. I see people have it. Seems like the zoom experience was all just a learning learning prep for people to have virtual Derby parties. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to seeing. Our social media celebrates it and I've actually thought I think I'm GonNa take a drive in the morning and pay my respects very cool all right well after this. We'll start to get ready though for for next month or this month and the start of the season at the downs and Just great to know that things are going to get started. And I'm sure it'll be. It'll be great for everybody. For the businesses in the neighborhood and and more an for everybody that's been on pins and needles particularly in New Orleans. You know I'll tell you what that that's something we should track. Forget about weighing horses. We got a way some trainers after having spent an extra six weeks in New Orleans getting takeout. 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The Moth Radio Hour: Heroes, Icons & Superstars

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The Moth Radio Hour: Heroes, Icons & Superstars

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This is the moth radio hour. I'm Jay Allison and in this show meeting our heroes stories of times. Our lives intersect with people. We most want intersect with. Our first story comes from Valerie Walker. She told this a slam New York City where we partner with public radio station. Wnyc here's Valerie okay. So sometimes history has a wave speaking directly to you to your heart and he can leave a mark an indelible atch in who you are that king change who you are without. It can manifest into thought night dear away of being that. You wouldn't have been if you hadn't had that moment and Ruby. Bridges made a mark with me in one thousand nine hundred sixty at the age of six Ruby Bridges desegregated public elementary school in Louisiana. All by herself I I heard about her when my fourth grade teacher read her story out loud in class and I was fascinated by her I was off of her bravery in the strength. That's like in the face of such danger. Us marshals were called in to escort her safely to and from school her act was deemed so dangerous and I also was struck by her determination. The other parents of the students that would have been her class refused to let her kids come to school and be educated with a Negro so she spent much of that first year by herself and I could relate because almost two decades later I was the only black kid in my academically accelerated class and like Ruby learned. I learned and loved to learn and thirsted to learn more so it's no big surprise that I became a teacher. Cute Teaching Young Black and Brown minds in Brooklyn and even then Ruby was with me because every year in my classroom hung. A poster of the portrait was painted of her by Norman Rockwell. Call the problem. We all live with it. Depicted Ruby on that fateful first day so small amongst the long legs of the marshalls and used it to springboard a discussion with my students about the difference between the spirit of the law in the letter of the law. Fast forward to June two thousand nineteen. I have moved toward social justice in our work with Youth in detention think jail for adolescence the hardest to reach of the hardest to reach and I it because it's hard to have hope behind bars. I had attended a week long training in a literacy program that was funded or the foundation was in the Freedom School movement it was a long week intensive vibrant. I could see how training would help my kids but it was twelve hour days with more homework added in and I had very little sleep so I was feeling overwhelmed and hopeless and it was the last day of the program and they had a closing ceremony and I was angry and tired and just wanted to go home. I sat slumped in my chair with about three thousand other people in much the same condition. Suddenly I thought I heard the moderator say Ruby Bridges and it hit me like a jolt I sat up in my seep. We'll be bridges. Excuse me did they just see ruby and so I reached down and grabbed a discarded pergram from the floor and I looked and I found that. Oh my God. It was my ruby bridges and immediately. My eyes welled up with tears and he began to fall. She came out onto the stage and she looks so young. I thought really was down black. Really don't crack and then. She spoke so eloquently not of what she had endured although she added more information behind the car that the US marshals us to drive Ruby to school marched every black member of her town. Beautiful an image. That was but she didn't speak more of that because sadly many of the younger kids in the audience didn't know who she was but instead she connected to them by exalting the amazing freedoms today that we have to create change and she challenged them to do just that as a way to pay it forward when she was done the moderator said that there would be time for one or two questions and I shout out of my chair like a bullet hand raised high in the air on my tippy toes. I was so intent my focus so single minded to talk to my hero that I did not even realize that had begun to chant breathlessly until I began to notice that the people sitting around we started pointing to me and say pick her and they picked me and as I walked to the MIC was transformed back into my nine year old self when I first heard about her and I don't remember what the first person asked her what she answered. But I do remember that when it was my turn. She looked very kindly at me and I thanked her for her act of defiance. That directly led to my ability to graduate from an Ivy League institution and I think turn told her what inspiration should into my life and what role she had played in my classroom and asked you questions. I had been burning to ask her since forever was the white woman that taught you kind to you. And did you love having the teacher all to yourself because I was super nerd and to me that's not like Nirvana. And she answered in the affirmative to both but then she went on to thank me and tell me that I was an inspiration to her. Now you know I don't remember what else happened. Because is it down on his mind however I do remember the feeling. I remember thinking of the kids that I work with back in Brooklyn and wanting to know how I could convey this feeling to them this this joy this energy this ability to speak to history and make another mark. I just knew that I was energized. In that moment no longer tired and I was ready. Thank you Valerie. Valerie says she's new to storytelling and likes learning the craft. She blames her mother rose. Marie sparking her imagination. Ruby bridges was the only student in First Grade Teacher Barbara. Henry's class for over a year because of the intimidation of protesters. They made other black students. Fearful to enroll and also kept white students from attending Barbara Henry. The only teacher to accept the black student. Indoor class was ostracized by the community along with Ruby. Bridges left her mark on history. A postscript to this story after the conference Valerie told us she made it to her airport. Gate only find Ruby bridges there. She was surrounded by adults with younger. People sitting on the floor at our feet. Valerie says you could feel the admiration radiating from everyone around her and Ruby was just talking asking as many questions she answered. Valerie says it was a beautiful and fitting sight to see a photo valerie with her hero. Ruby bridges you can visit the moth dot org are next. Storyteller is singer Songwriter. Beth Nielsen Chat. Best told this story in Austin Texas where we were presented by the paramount theater. Here's Beth live at the mall so in one thousand nine hundred five. My husband and my son and I picked up and moved to Nashville Tennessee so I could pursue my career as a songwriter and the first couple years were pretty frustrating and intense and exciting I was just running around trying to meet producers and get my songs heard getting a lot of rejection letters and things like that I remember talking to some of the writers and they were basically telling me that. Don't worry As soon as you get a song on the chart Going up the chart. They'll call you and I thought well that would be a lovely thing that would happen and Five years after moving to Nashville. I wrote a song with Don Schlitz and it got recorded by Tanya Tucker and a song called strong enough to bend when all the way to number one and it was nominated for Song of the year and I was like thank God and I remember. You know being really excited about that but it's true then my phone rang and I got this call and it was one of the legends that I'd ever been exposed to a man named Fred Foster Fred Foster had signed Dolly Parton and Chris Christopherson and he produced pretty woman and he was just a legend and an icon and he calls me opening goes. Hey this is Fred and I'm making album with Willie Nelson now. Willy has been going through some stuff in his life and he's got a deadline and but he hadn't been writing a lot of songs He's got a new wife and a new baby and a lot of things going on and he just said to me the other day find out wrote that strong enough to bend song them right me one. And I'm just listening to this unflattering. This is not happening because I knew every Willie Nelson Song. We had all his records. You could hold them up to the light and see through them. That's how much I knew. All of his songs and I was thrilled. And I said Wendy you need it by. He said three months and I might consider it done. Hang up the phone. And I immediately go into supersonic songwriter mode. I was completely focused. And just you know freaking out and I remember. My husband was so great. During this time he he would pick up our son from school. They'd come home and I could hear him in there. And then they come slide over you know. Open the door and kind of peek in right around dinnertime and say how's it going and their mom and I just look at them like Oh and he goes see that base that your mom's songwriter. Face Bud let's go get us another pizza somehow. I duNNo. I finally had to get out of the house so I went to the Y. And I jogged around the indoor track at the Y. Because I was jogging around. I got this idea like okay. Willie Nelson come on. What do you do you go? Don't don't make it. They can take it down to continue and there's on the road again. It's it's it's the train beat so I thought oh I got it. The TRANE BEAT. That's it that's got got the music part and then. I'm drying okay. I don't think it's got to have a great title has got to be. What would willie say right now? And then this phrase popped into my head. There's nothing I can do about it now. I thought perfect and then I got really paranoid. 'cause I thought. Gosh that's such a good title Shirley Somebody's GONNA write it out from under me before I get it done anyway. I I worked and worked in and the other problem with this title. Was that I had to riot at the end of every verse and you know like hardly anything rhymes with now. I mean I used them all up in in no time I had allow and I had brow and I had I don't know another Somehow and I was just sitting there going. God's got to be another hour on. That's not bow when all of a sudden I started thinking about that Lullaby that said Kabbah on the tree when the B. O. U. G. H. M. Begin. Okay okay. Don't panic. There's a way to get that at the end of the line so I can rhyme at the with took two more hours and I mean this is one of those things where you know like. I'll never forget how hard I worked to get this one little bit. You know it was excruciating and I finally got it in I said and I been Dreamin like a child since the cradle broke the bow. And there's nothing I can do about it now when I got it and I'm like my husband comes in there. He goes you okay and I'm like yes. This is going to be so good and I just felt like I'd crossed over the mountain of songwriting gotten to the top. And I knew that I had that song and finish the rest of it in twenty minutes and then I went about okay now it has to be a demo and I got my little four track cassette machine out and I played all the parts. Even though I don't really play Bass Keyboard Bass and play guitar and I did a little kind of piano thing and I even. I even had to really work hard to get a good snare drum sound. Because I don't really have drums so I had like my dulcimer turned around and I was hit in the back of it with my bedroom slipper which had a really cool sound and I literally finished it with just enough time to crawl out of my cocoon of songwriting madness and and go in my slippers and my dirty hair to the airport and hand Fred. This cassette and I just remember just going here and I knew that I'd written a great song. I'd written the best song ever written. Had absolutely no expectation that Willie was GONNA cut it. Because in the interim every songwriter in Nashville. It started writing songs for Willie. They'd be the word got out you know and I knew there was huge amount of competition but I just want. I just driving home from the Air Force. Like I'm GonNa stop at the store. I'm GONNA get some chickens and a nice bottle of wine. I'M GONNA WASH my hair take bad. I made this beautiful dinner for my family said. Hello. It's me remember me. I'm back in the world and the phone rings now. I've had a couple of glasses of wine because I was Kinda celebrating so as a little tipsy you know and I said Oh I'm sure that's Willie Nelson calling me to tell me they're cutting my song so I'll be right back and I went and picked up the phone and it was really Nelson. I couldn't believe in okay. I don't even know what I said to him. It was really very poor and I just and he goes well. Let me put Fred Onto. Go over the details. Within in eight hours I was on an airplane and I was flying to Austin and was driven out to the cut and PUTT studio. Some of Y'all around here know what that is. This was totally the greatest moment of my life and and you know Willie himself opened the door and I stood up and I was like five inches from Willie. Nelson's face and he goes. Hey I was like I and he goes. You WanNa play some golf. And I'm like sure. Yeah I'd never played golf so I am standing there and I'm swinging that glove and the ball is just staying there the whole time and he was so kind he came over to me and he said something that I consider to be deeply philosophical. He came over to me and he said you know what Beth. You don't actually WanNa hit the ball. You WanNa Kinda throw the ball with the end of the club and I have applied that too many things in my life anyway. He said come on. Let's go in the studio and make records. We walk in there and there is just the van. You know. Be Spears Bobby. Willie sister on piano. We're talking about legends here Paul English on drums and I'm sitting there four feet from Willie Nelson's guitar trigger. I can touch his guitar. I'm like Oh my God. It's really happening. They play my demo which sounded like a hit. Man Just did and they were like. This is a great song and I'm going. I know. I must have been such a doofus but I was so excited. You know there's nothing I can do about it now read. I'm looking okay. Wait till this band gets a hold of this. So we'll he goes off ball and Paul Count. One two three four any plays it really differently. It wasn't bad it was just completely different. It was like instead of don't do it was like bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba which is shuffle in my world. And I I thought. Oh that can't be right. Nope doesn't work doesn't go with my strum it all and I and I'm thinking well any minute will stop in. They're going to start over because it's raw and they didn't stop and he kept singing in the band was playing their hearts out and they got to the end of it and that was fantastic. Let's go to lunch and I just went. No Oh no. And then he looked at me and said is everything. Okay and I went. Yeah yeah that was great. That was fantastic. I've been great but you know there's this one little thing you might want to just listen to that demo one more time because I wrote it all around you know on the road again. Doing to turn took Neela hold train thing that your that's your signature and I'm realizing you are in the studio telling Willie Nelson how to make a record. This can't end well and he was looking at me with these deep you know. He's got really amazing is he's looking. Sorta right through me bemused and he goes. Let's ask Paul. Hey Paul did you hear that? Last one as a shuffle balls put his coat on. He's going Yup. I think I did. Willey said that's what I thought. Let's go to lunch so I just had to smile and be professional and and I was just sure that was not going to be a hit I was I said I should just be grateful. I've made it this far. I got Willie Nelson and and for the next couple of months. You know we worked on the track. I played the guitar. Tried to make my guitar playing work with the Shuffle. I was just like you know. Okay and then it came out on the album and I thought Oh boy you know. I didn't even tell anybody that I wrote the song because I knew was you know not gonNa and then they put it out the next the first single and I thought. Oh this is going to be so terrible. It's going to be a flop and it's going to reflect on me anyway. I couldn't believe it came out as a single and the interesting thing that happened. Is that the Higher. It went up on the chart the better. It sounded like when it got in the top ten. It was an amazing record and I was like yeah. I wrote that. That's right I did. And when a win to number one. I was going around saying Yeah. I wrote that just like that. Oh Yeah and you know but I was fascinated by how so many things within me changed and adapted around that and how my perception change in how I was so sure. That wasn't a hit and then it was and I was like. Wow what's what's with me so I've learned a lesson from that. Which is that going forward in my life. You know anytime. I felt one hundred percent positive that I was absolutely sure that I knew something. I always just reserve a little wiggle room just on. The periphery a little space for the part that I might not know that part and that's made my life a lot better so I I have willie to thank for that and then I'll never ever forget. My favorite memory of the was the first time I heard it on the radio and I was driving my car and of course I reached over and correct the volume all the way up. Which is why I didn't see the stop sign and I got pulled over of course in. The COP was very insistent that I turn the radio down and I kept telling him. There's no way that's I've got one more shot one more like two minutes on the science. That's my song. And that's me singing with William. I'll singer with you and I'll show you. That's me. That's my guitar playing. And he's just going from what I've heard a lot of them and that's the best one I ever heard. And he wrote me a ticket anyway for eighty dollars and forty six cents and I thought fine fine and it turned out on because I got to pay for it with my royalties. Thank you Beth. Neilsen Chapman is a grammy nominated member of the Songwriters Hall of fame. She's released fourteen albums and written seven number. One hits you can find out more about Beth and her new song school podcast at the moth dot org back on my mind when I lost two one. I'm Survi- every acuity young threes and regret memory written on my brow. And there's nothing I can do about it now. We'll have more stories of meeting our heroes in just a moment when the moth radio hour contain me. Fire of a woman's arm turn her heart. I've got the song inside the rhythm off the we like radio hours produced by Atlantic public media in Woods Hole Massachusetts and presented by O. M. G. 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I'm Jay Allison our next story in this hour about meeting. Our idols comes from Danny Ortiz. Who told this and our New York City Grand Slam supported by WNYC? Here's Dani live at the mall. I had already scandalized my entire class the year before in our eighth grade trip to Washington. Dc WHEN. I used my spending money not to buy a souvenir Sonian but to buy a Mac eye-shadow but it's I discovered the most magical book I had ever seen which was full of illusion and transformation and perfectly sculpted cheekbones it was called making faces by. Partisan Kevin oaklawn inside pictures of makeup. You've done on every nineties. Famous woman from British Paltrow to Janet Jackson to Martha Stewart as Veronica Lake. And I think that because I wasn't trying to rush my mom out of her favorite store. Nordstrom had spotted the book. She bought it for me and inside Kevin Quad. Not only make up tips and techniques to create the looks but also shared personal details about growing up gay in a town. That just wasn't quite sure what to do with him and eventually moving to New York City to pursue his dreams just like I was going to do and so I started experimenting on everybody from my best friend to my grandma. Even doing my dates make ups for school dances and I got. I got to know the woman at the prescriptive counter at that Nordstrom. Who would help me recreate the looks from the book if the story wasn't too busy and on one such visit there were signs all over the cosmetics department announcing that the following Friday none other than having no quantum was going to be in the store for a book signing. I was already planning my outfit. And so that I didn't try so I had to beg one of my parents to leave work early so that they would take me and the following Friday with my dad and his pickup truck in the parking lot is thrown into nordstrom carrying not only Kevin Lebron's book but also a letter that I had written to him explaining. How inspirational I found him in case the line was so long that we wouldn't have time to talk or I was just too nervous to do so turns out. I didn't really need to worry. Because the line was short which I found surprising because in my world he was bigger than Madonna and bigger than share and bigger than lies. Who only are all women whose makeup you had done and it turns out that what? I'm really nervous. I don't claim up in fact I don't shut up and so when I was trying to assure him that I wasn't fact of sound mind and I blurted I know what year it is. I know who the president is. He cracked up and he could not have been more gracious he posts for pictures and he didn't just sign his name in my book. He actually wrote a message that I wouldn't have time to read until I was back in my dad's truck on the way to our school's football game that night. And what what he wrote was I will remember you. You are so fucking Cute Commie me. Heartbreaker and then. I decided that I wasn't going to hold it against him that he had used the F word. Because used to say something nice about me. And I didn't take it as flirting. Because he he called me heartbreaker which is specific term. You use to someone you were acknowledging is cute but you have zero attraction to like mostly babies in checkout lines are heartbreakers so to me. It was it was just a lovely gesture. Admittedly adorable kid. Who had shown up at one of his book. Signings and Kevin Oaklawn was a very busy man in addition to his day job doing makeup for everybody he also wrote a column for the war and he was appearing on. Tv shows like sex in the city the fashion roadkill episode and I didn't want to bother him by actually calling the number that he had given me and I didn't know if he was offering some sort of mentor ship or friendship. Or or what's but I did know that I would call him when I moved to New York where I wasn't going to know anybody on May seventh of my senior year of high school as I was in the midst of hearing back from all of the schools that I had applied to my good friend. Jillian approach to me one day in theater arts class. It wasn't drama classes theater arts class With a very concerned look on her face and she wanted to see if I was okay and when I didn't know why she was asking. She expressed her condolences for Kevin Kwan. I didn't I didn't understand the joke. I just knew that it wasn't funny and I didn't know why she was telling into me and so in looking at trying to figure it out. I saw that she was horrified to realize that she had just broken the news to me. He was forty years old. And when I finally did move to New York I did not bring making faces with me not with the phone number that I couldn't dial I wrapped it up in paper and placed it on the top shelf of my childhood closet and I've been home often over the past ten years and I've I've glanced up at it but never never looked at it. Never taken it down my most recent trip home. My Dad asked me to go through all of the things in my closet because he was going to sell the house so I threw away years worth of greeting cards and school projects and photographs because I had to look at them not for the possibility that they had once represented but for what they actually meant to me now and when I got to that top shelf. I knew that I needed to do the same so I pulled the book down and I left it in its paper and I placed it in my suitcase and I brought a little bit of Kevin O. Quoting back with me then. He grew up in southern California near where he imagines sweet valley high would be but has lived in New York City long enough to always stay to the right on escalators. You can share any of these stories or others from the moth archive and buy tickets to mow storytelling events through our website. You can find it on social media to. We're on facebook and twitter at the moth. Our idols are not necessarily famous. Our next story is about a hero. Closer to home at least mcinerney told this story at an open mic story slam competition in Melbourne Australia. Where we partner with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation? Abc rn. Here's a lease. I was seven when I created my masterpiece what started out as the polystyrene packaging to a Denisot became the wildest imaginings of a fairy palace. I spent hours crafting tiny pieces of furniture. Tiny beds tiny fairy tables. Even tiny pieces of fairy cutlery. I went to bed that night with the tide satisfaction of Odyssey. You knew that created something very special. The next morning I ran into bask in the glory of my creation and in front of it was a sprinkling of fairy dust and a tiny piece of flour letter writing Papa- on which in tiny Kelly elaborate handwriting words. Deep Princess is this for us. Oh Wow said my mom had come in behind me. It looks like the fairies a really really impressed with what you made for them. And she pulled out my pencils and we wrote a response welcoming them to their new home and so began a wonderful friendship. I found out the ferry. I was corresponding with this called candy. Tuft and she her best friend. Rose had the very important job a flying around to over gardens in my neighborhood taking care of the very babies that lived there. I told her she told me all about your adventures in fairyland and I told her all about my ventures in great too. I told her who my best friend was that week. Which boy. I decided to be my boyfriend that week about the fights. I was having with some of the girls in my class. And she always. There was some words of support and advice. I tell her about times when my dad wouldn't come home and my mom would cry. And she tells me that she knew her fairy magic that both of my parents loved me very much and that everything was going to be okay and having a ferry pen pal gave me massive street credit in the playground as the chosen. One I would perch myself on a bench and Cheryl the latest updates in fairyland and I would come home with stacks of drawings and letters from all of my classmates. You'd asked me to pass them onto C- could get a ferry pen pal too and some kids eat and some kids student and is questioned side to speculate. Intentions Rose Mr Short House out. Great teacher announced that fairies now officially banned in great and so the ferry craze saint. Mary's Primary School Diet is quickly had started but the craze continued at home. I had pictures of the candidate. How ferry all over my walls and on my eighth birthday. I woke up to find that my polystyrene creation had been replaced with a beautiful fairy lamp. That played music when you rounded up and so I continued correspondent candy for quite a while with differing levels of regularity depending on the important things going on in my life at that time and during one of my best friend plan to two week trip away and whether it was missing her or some kind of seed of doubt. I thought that would be a really good time to write a letter and so I wrote my letter and I waited and I passed in another night and so I just casually mentioned to my dad. That can't office taking a little longer than usual to reply and then the next morning next to my fairy lamp was a piece of a full print. Paper and in blue highlight in something that very much resembled. My Dad's handwriting was a letter from the fairy king. Who was just letting me know that candy tough had gotten caught up in a spiderweb recently about like it was all gonna be fine. She was just going to be out of action until Saturday. Which coincidentally was when my mom would be back and my heart crumbled and I sobbed and I sobbed panic stricken father tried to comfort me but I just couldn't stop grieving for the magic and the excitement that I'd lost now that I knew that candy tough was just my mom and so my mom came home and we didn't Talk About Candy. Tuft but as the months pass things. A little more stressful. My parents were fighting a lot more and my dad moved into the spare room and I didn't know how to talk to anyone about it so I was fighting with my friends and so one night I was sitting on my bed and I looked at my fairy lamp and I thought of something that I could do to make myself feel better so I write a letter. And the next morning there was a sprinkling of fairy dust a piece of floor writing paper and in painstakingly curly handwriting. A letter addressed dea princess and I knew that I didn't need fairy magic. Everything was going to be okay. When I had a mom who loved me that much thinki- loose mcnerney lives in Melbourne Australia and has spent the last few years traveling working with women's rights organizations in the Pacific and Asia handed the local Mall Story Slam in Melbourne for a year before. Working up the courage to tell this as her first story the Lee says the older I get the more I admire. What a genius. Parenting Tool Candy. Tuft was and I'm so grateful for my mother. Used candy tough to support me through the anxiety and confusion of my parents divorce and just like candy tough said everything was okay. My mom and I are still very close and now no longer need to communicate via an imaginary fairy. Not all of you listening. 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I'm Jay Allison our final story in this show about encountering are heroes comes from Jazz bassist Christian McBride He. I told this story for us at a special event. We did in an apartment on the fifty seventh floor of a skyscraper. He was standing in front of a baby grand piano that was made of clear plastic so as not to spoil the view. Christian is a cigar lover and he told this story with an unlit cigar in his hand for courage. He said here's Christian McBride still clutching a cigar. But this time at Cooper Union in New York City. Thank you very much. I'm here to share a story with you. About a man who Was It jazz legend? Someone I had the great honor and privilege to work with very early in my career as the late. Great Trumpet Player. Freddie Hubbard tip Freddie. I was born and raised in Philadelphia and growing up at thank you again Jazz musicians of my generation. Our number one hero. The person who we all wanted to play with more than anyone else was art blakey. We wanted to be a member of our Blake in the Jazz messengers. Every great jazz musician cents to fifty s play with Art Blakey Freddie Hubbard Clifford Brown. Leave Morgan Wynton. Marsalis Wynton and Branford Marsalis Wayne shorter. They all play with Art Blakey so as a teenager. I had my wish list of people. I wanted to play with art. Blakey was unquestionably number. One number two was up for grabs but that was answered. The first time I saw Freddie Hubbard perform live. It was in the summer of nineteen eighty seven in Philly and I had grown up going to a lot of rhythm and Blues. Shows a lot of Gospel shows so I knew what that intensity that that fervor that trauma was in the music and the stage art of these Great Soul and Gospel performance. A never quite got that where the jazz performers too many times with jazz concerts you leave going. I think I liked it because he got you here but not here all the time. First Time I saw Freddie Hubbard. It was the jazz equivalent of James Brown He might have gotten on his knees with his trumpet. It had a guy come and put a cap on his back But that excitement every time he would take trouble solar the whole audience would just start screaming like anything you could ever imagine. Freddie Hubbard quickly became number two on my list I moved here to New York in nineteen eighty nine and As fate would have it some of my closest friends my quickest friends that I made or beautiful germ name car allen pianist named Benny Green. And the saxophonist named Don Breton. Just by chance they were all in Freddie Hubbard's band at that time Art Blakey had just changed to what was to become his final ban side. Missed the opportunity to play with art. Blakey I got to see him but I never got to play with them. So that point on started looking at number two and I would always very At least I thought I was being sly and and subtle. I would ask Carl Carl. Who Plays Bass with Freddy when his regular Bass player can't make it. Carl looking at me like I got you so yeah well who does the GIG said well. Whoever's available great few months later we'll go by Bennie Freddie doesn't need a sub yet does he? Don't worry we got you covered every time. I mentioned Freddie Hubbard Don. Benny Carly wouldn't give up anything. Finally Carl calls me. I'm a I'm a student juilliard at this point and Carl calls me up and he says listen McBride. I have a very bizarre GIG for you. is in Columbia South Carolina. And we're going to be the house rhythm section for the Budweiser Jazz explosion. And if you ever saw that in the late eighties and early nineties. It was rarely jazz. he says we're we're going to play behind no pointer. Jean Carne Lonnie Liston Smith and Freddie. That's all I heard Freddie. This was probably my intro to see a Freddie like well enough to maybe call me to sell for his regular Bass player so we go down to Columbia South Carolina. The GIG was at a place. I kid you not call the plantation. The build a stage in front of a big White House. I'm not lying to you. And we play those Gig. Freddie Hubbard was very much an Alpha male. He was a man with a huge spirit of very macho Konaga. Almost had like a mob boss mentality just to be a good musician wasn't enough. You also had to be a man and sue. Freddie was very dramatic he didn't make the rehearsal didn't make the sound check just showed up for the Gig some addressing room in the in the trailer actually and I'm just shaking in my shoes and crosses he freddie this is Christian McBride was seventeen at the time and Freddie just kind of looks like a nice to meet you We go on stage and we play and hear his horn up close like that. I almost had a heart attack. I thought Oh my God. I'm playing with Freddie Hubbard. I can't believe this GIG is over. I'm thinking to myself gotTa Hope. I made some sort of impressionable Freddie. Something Freddy turns around after the Gig says Nice meeting you gives them his limo. Goes back to the hotel I because he didn't dig it but I know I'll see him again out. No I'll see him again. I knew all Freddie's music got together with Carl. Benny would always try to ask what songs they were playing. So if I ever got the call I'd be ready three months later. I get to call Carl says McBride. We need a bass player for Freddie's GIG Chicago. You ready when you have no idea how ready I have. We fly to Chicago the giggles at the South Shore Jazz Festival. And there's Don and Benny and Carl there to support me. And I don't expect Freddie to remember me from South Carolina because obviously that I made no impression Freddie comes in addressing rule with about five people big entourages coat draped over his back. Sunglasses Guy Careless trumpet. He comes in and greet the band members loudly. A hug he gets to me. I don't have sunglasses. Just have these. He looks at meaning goes. This must be the Bass player else. Benny Green bless his heart. He comes over and says Freddie this is Christian McBride May. You're gonNA love him man. I swear he knows every ever written his so ready. He's GonNa Knock you out. You just wait Freddie pools glasses halfway down and looks at me and says you know. My Shit must've Hubbard every song ever written. I'm ready. He pushes glasses back up. And says we'll see we go out play Gig. I am not lying to you. Freddie did not acknowledge me one bit on those concert. Freddie would go during the saxophone Solo Freddie was standing there and he kinda watch don and go. Yeah Yeah you sound good baby piano Solo. He's turned look at Benny. Go Pat him on the back. After souls over Basil he leaves the stage now. I'm trying to follow him to see where he is going. Maybe he's he doesn't WanNa give me too much tap you know he's just going to go behind the stage and watch me doesn't make me nervous. I follow him. He lights up a cigarette. Start talking to sound guy paying no attention to me at all a while. This is bad he comes back. We play about three more songs. No acknowledgement doesn't even. Look at me doesn't introduce me. No nothing I said okay. This is in this case. I'm guessing it's probably strike to in the end. I'm not going to get a third opportunity Last Song of the night comes I take another big long Bass Solo Freddie. He's out and audience doing something. My heart is down here. You know. I'm thinking well these I could tell my friends. I made one gig with Freddie Hubbard Whatever so he comes back. We're out and Freddie now is introducing the Ban said LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. See Saxophone player. Mr Tom Bredin list of Benny Green Pianist Drummer and Straw boss. Mister Car Allen looks and goes this base plate here. He just turned eighteen years old a couple of months ago. He don't think I remember. But we played together in South Carolina a few months ago. And he's playing his ass off tonight. How about a new Bass player Mr Christian McBride and I could have won ten million dollars? I'm on stage. It's like and it was so sweet. Because Benny and down. And Carl they also. Kind of openly win cass. After the game was over I was like thanks. Mr Hubbard I appreciate. It gives me a big hug. And our next GIG was in Detroit in Detroit and for the next three years. I had the most amazing time being in this band and Freddie passed away three years ago so God bless Freddie Aubert and thank you for listening that was Christian McBride. He has played with James Brown sting. Herbie Hancock Laurie Anderson name a few his most recent CD is the movement revisited. A musical portrait of four icons. Remember if you have a story to tell us you can pitch us right on our site. The MOSS DOT ORG or by calling eight seven seven nine nine moth. Just tell us your story in about two minutes. We get a lot of our mall stories from the Pitch Line. 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Blood on the tracks contains adult content and explicit language listen to blood on the tracks of the iheartradio APP apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts. looking back to another episode. Of alchemy days covid. Nineteen. Twenty Twenty Vision I'm your host Gavin podcast. Kevin Pollack with no I'm actually okay. Never shaking another hand. Though I will miss the awkwardness of doing. But I digress miraculous showery no particular order say howdy Caroline Connor. countered cream. When Shit hits the fan which alchemists do you want in the bunker and why? That's a good question. When you say shit hits the fans you mean like the world is ending or You know me however, you assume someone's coming to kill me I'm going to say. I think James because he has so many computers and wittment that like something. Something has be figured out by that. None of it doesn't. Doesn't matter to work them. Just I need the equipment there I. think it will be good. The equipment can bar the door over computers can. Block them right. Please take Chris. Album. Auto Disc Chris Not Dat de Think James is going to be okay. Definitely And like you know why because he is so loved. So even if you falls or he trips or makes mistakes over whatever he does, he's in a fall in arms outstretched to him. Everybody who knows James loves him isn't that true except for jerks on his face? Hey there's great ca caskey cow please pitch us a new greeting gesture to replace the handshake. Well. If you recall San Sam, wainwright from it's a wonderful life. Does that he haw Like, steadied your thumbs and both ears waving your fingers like your donkeys look everybody everybody in the outcome you this cast is already doing it. I think it's time for he ought to come back I fucking down everyone get in that position for photo. Sam wainwright he saw. Soybeans, hotdog. Why there's James He ne- the Heen for four hundred. The fine folks at Costco claim that they're outdoor window offering of a hot dog and beverage with free refill is a loss leader. Are you buying that? And if so, what would you like on it? I, think if they wanted to be smart and make money, they put that thing deep inside of. Cross Co. so you'd have to navigate the aisles to get to exit is a good deal and I can get that deal in front of their store than walk away. But if they buried deep, I'd have to get a membership. You'll stop by for now. I'm. I don't know if I answered. You answered it right. Hundred percent is that the question and last but take the cat for a walk. If you think I'm lease, it's Joey greer Joe from that. Doj Joe, which of all animals have you talked to the longest? Holy Shit Right. There is a I think it's a possum there's a dead bloated possum outside. My House and I speak to that animal. Every single day I needed different close. made a small little little home for. The two story palatial estate for what a possible in have. But to you, it's a little home. It's a little home. It's like you know like nine feet tall. Yeah. You're you're not saying thousand square feet no no I'm not staying here but I do want to say that James is six eight and he has red hair. All right. Let's do a damn show almost all of Christians gathered from our listener emails. Please send yours to your name here documented dot com and some of the scenes suggested by Patriot supporters of the show and and get the they enjoy of course, exclusive content and other perks which by the way James we need to step up. Yes. If you'd like to join them head over to Patriot dot com slash alchemy this. All right. Let's get seen one from Lloyd. Who wrote I'm a truck driver in your program has been the source of endless laughter and entertainment for my fiance and me through many long hours on the road during these crazy uncertain times at least it had been until James turned us onto MacAulay Culkin's wonderful podcast about dead rabbits in a free ads plug. He did a couple of weeks back though we're no longer have any time for your show. What with The dead rabbits and all I thought this breakup go a little easier with scenes. Suggest it follows. A dirty old lady who makes compromising life decisions in order to hit on the life alert dispatchers. PS. You guys are great. Keep doing what you're doing. We just wanted you to know it's not you. It's James. Sincerely your formerly biggest non patriots fans. Nice working. Dispatcher nine, four, nine, one one. How can I help you high? Nine four transferring call over us. Okay. What's the emergency? I M. Sorry hold on I gotTa Cross connection dispatch time for four. Could you please hold back? I'm talking on the phone with somebody that's got emergency. I'm not exactly sure what we need right now. Does best to six one over. dispatches all dispatches, please hold off. I'm trying to find out which which of your expertise are needed I. Don't know the emergency at and I'm sorry you are who the Lord our Savior. I'm jared the operator at nine one, one facilities in cody step ball everybody nine one. Thank you. Ma'am. View fallen down. Are you having difficulty getting dispatcher? You interrupting an operator in nine? One one I have got this is this is between me and what was your name? No, I want you both and my name is. Will have. Janice Hi. What's your? What are your names? THAT CLIFF JORDAN JORDAN CLIFF I will I'm not sure if you're going to work with Clifford, not it's depends on what kind of emergency you have. Clip has a certain set of skills and I know which which of my dispatchers I can send out shall I go through my set of skills this Ma'am please say low and slow already on honest don't be dissuaded like cliffs going to give you his skills right now but. Your emergency is unique to you. All right go. I think he just said massage and that. and. That's exactly what I need. Food most saw size. Janice I'm GonNa put you on hold for one moment. Hello I've been trying to get through for so long, but it seems to phone lines have been clogged I. I fell inside my toilet in my body is stuck inside the. Little funnel that goes to talking to give me the fucking phone. What did I tell you about making phone calls? Shit I can't. That's right. That's right now looks as soon as you're rich son pays the fucking ransom then you can call wherever you want to understand. Look you still there. Hello. On. The fall give me the. A. Certain you fell inside your toilet is that that's what I'm getting. I can't hear you I fell in Shane My. This how do we turn this bucket thing? Oh Okay I'm calling. I'm calling your son. Ringing. Stay. Hello. Hello. Hey. The Bad guy who has your grandmother part of your mom? Yeah. Yeah. Excuse me Sir. Sorry. I know you're on the phone, but would you like caviar? I would remind hit the second option. Okay Great I'll. I'll put it in your dog's bowl. Thank you. What was tough guy I have your mom here? Yeah. Yeah. She doing she's not doing well here listening to her say okay. I am in the toy lead my whole. Slavi. Do. You love her. I mean Sure Look all we'RE ASKING FOR IS I. I hate to interrupt this call but would you like these hot towels on your face? Yes. Thank you climb. If Yeah we'll see if you want to see your mom. Humming five, hundred, thousand. So you want half a million to release my mother back into my care. Yeah I mean otherwise I'm gonNA flush down this fucking toilet. Is that you me hold on a second. Okay. Hello This is curtis from life alert I'm not sure how I got you but I got a call from inside a toilet and we we've traced the call to a with foilet on the north. Side. Yeah. Let me connect you. All that'd be great hold on a second. Sure. Hey. Tough Guy. Yeah, yeah I got a life alert calling for your mother I. Don't it's your mom it's Getting Shelf. I feel like she's your mom now so Art Listen you have until three o'clock today. Did you hear that? Like pay for like. Hello Life. LERT Yeah I. Think I inadvertantly called Somebody Sir before I just wanted to make sure I got everybody's pronouns correct on this call. Okay. Hi Curtis I'm a bad guy doing bad things you get it. Curtis, thanks for coming in and talking with me. We reviewed some of the audio of new previous calls and I want to say first and foremost. We love it We love it. We we think you're doing fantastic work here, and we actually want to promote you and put you in a position to well to go in the field not just doing phone calls what? Go out there and help the people have fallen and can't get up. Exactly a we need you to go out on the find people who are falling and maybe more. Importantly if you could make people fall Jimmy, you enter Taco Taco Tuesday Jim I, I am in I am one hundred percent in. Okay. Sorry. I'm a hundred percent. There's a TACO Tuesday Kirk. Give me one second. You're redoing veggies. Are we doing meet what? Whatever. Okay. Well, then veggies one hundred percent. Yes. Veggies I've been told to bring my lunch along. Kirk give me a second. Yeah. Okay. So if we're doing me we. We do Carne Asada this time that macron pork. No I said, she said a four. Janice. Is this the same woman that called yesterday for a foot massage you remember me yes, it is. Listen. This is nine one one and we only deal with real emergencies here. So I'm GONNA give you if you get a pen and paper, but I, think you really need is life alert. Life Alertus for you know when it's not really an emergency and you don't really need to call nine, one, one paper. I don't have that in my house I'm all digital here. Oh. Okay. Well, maybe type it into the Computer Jeeva an extra note pad up on your computer. So actually. Can. Your computer. Just, go to go to your whatever search prosser you like just search being lane dot com nine one is used. Bing, DOT COM is my preferred Okay Don't use that. Not that. But you could use safari opera Google. Fire Fox any of those don't you you listed. You listed browser types, not each concerns. Do, not being I already did. Okay well. Emergency. Was I. Know You don't have an emergency I've caller ID. You're trying to get cliff on the line or you're trying to get one of our other dispatchers just kidding account with Lana massage massage covered by my insurance. So how does it feel old lady to know that? Your own son doesn't love you. I can see my bones. Ball. Look I'm not enjoying this. Okay. I used to clean your pool. You Know I. Liked you be honest but I also know your son is bloated. To stand, to stand up. All Martians have failed down the bathroom and I WANNA. Know how you feel about your son not. Not Helping you out here how I still feel my bones. Groups are gone. Okay this is the same long. Can I get your door? I'll get your door. I can't get out I'm. Lou? Hey I'm curtis from life alert. The fuck. Do you want Karnataka's or I have a fish Taco? Or There's a there's an Asada here. maybe you want something to eat maybe you WanNa know on the sandwich you want a gun San getting here I don't want to go and sandwich in here I. Don't we all get like I had tons of ready I don't need a gun sandwich Oh. Or your rights. Are you down the toilet. into. Mammoth Curtis Pronouns. Are He have? Curtis. Certainly anybody in your life who loves you and has a lot of money. No No. I'm not that close to my folks. I guess my manager at life. Alert. Pretty close with. Okay. Okay. Okay. So at Lifelock, what's his name? Is called. A K.. To just hang out here don't Buchan move I still have this gun pointed right at you. He sent me out to people to try to drum up more business. To look by its low. Case Manager Please biking hi I have one of your employees here Curtis. I believe it is Oh hey yeah. How's he doing? Not Great he's in a Lotta trouble you see 'em bad guy. Yeah I'm a bad bad guy. and. In order for me to release Curtis I'm GonNa need some Ooh, La and fellow we look after the elderly I don't have down for this show. Good. Good. Good good. Southern drawl, that's not the manager I was thinking Oh. Oh. Okay. Is there somebody than me? Sir I think my? No, he's lower than him. Higher than me. I'm thinking my direct supervisor whose name escapes me. Okay yes. Sir. Yeah can I speak to your supervisor place? My supervisor you big somebody above me that's right now look what was. Below above. Thank you. Thank you you. You're at all by the way curtis. No there's somebody this is somebody who's below you but still you know has a managerial position you WANNA. Blow me. Goodbye. Canada Ma'am Ma'am. I'm here to help. Oh. Nine one one. Nine one hello. My name is Jim. Hornberger Deger can get slow down. Nine one one, my name is. Really. Quick. Hobart over Darter is exactly how it's held Sir Sir I. I've been I lost one of my employees I work at life alert. Okay. told him cloud at work. I work at life alert. Okay. Yes. Proud of it. All right I've been. A level supervisor should be working my way up at this I understand that I know what's available. Okay. We never freshness of Corporate America. All Right I. Mean because the people of they don't want to do and they asked me to do it and guess what I've turned to bad manager guy. I got another call but I can tell this emergency she just hold on one second rotary phone at nine. Hello Nine, one, one I I really Janice. Janice I can't. I can't take this right now there's a real emergency right now is a real a real emergency. The blood is pooling at my ankles. For Real. Men held up one second. Hello It's an easy to calm down. I don't get a credit card because they don't trust you with that kind of corporate. Jim, Horford surgery. Ship Georgia I don't know why I space on that. It's such a memorable name. Okay. I can't I banged it and it's Jim Ordre came calling back. lafler low. Yes. I need to speak to Jim Sherzer. What do you need with Jim? None of your business just passed through the place. Now I got is my business because I'm a dispatcher. So what do you need somebody fell down? Could you be more general? No. Okay Let. Me Get Jim Okay Janai. Yeah, what are up? Or Talk. GotTa Sada. Yummy. The phones for you also. Hello, hi. Mr Hubbard I. This I'm a bad cat. Are you and I'm not great. I'm in quite a situation here I have. An elderly woman who stuck in the toilet and I have an employee of yours, you might recognize this voice. Jim. It's Curtis I blanked on your name I'm so sorry. It's okay. All right. Well, this threat is definitely sound like some kind of math problems. So go on. Okay. So if one lady is in the toilet and one of your employees is here not harmed but away from his van and I need upwards of five, hundred, thousand dollars. Curtis has event. Did you come into van it's a mini van. A mini van. I did. I did not know that criticized you don't. You don't strike me as a minivan. Can You? Hold on vk Curtis he's asking these questions. You take the phone below this Curtis Curtis Look I. Realized I don't know a lot about you okay and I want you to know. I. WanNa above the board and I called nine one to search for you all right I Nine, one one, the enemy. I call the enemy to look for you look I. Don't know a lot about you. And I know you're with a bad guy. You're probably making calls I don't know but I forgive you alright. came up drummed up so much business for the company. A leading into toilet here in about two trip. This guy. Trip you do this Feel. WHO's the bad guy? Call. Number One. The number. Not Seen One. Yeah Mommy make it stop. Hey. Folks, I wanNA take a moment to thank one of our sponsors today audibles dot com. ooh, I do love audible dot com. This is an easy when they're not just about audio books though they do of course, have thousands of titles to choose from. AUDIBLE DOT COM is chock full of podcast the ethical performances. Comedy guided wellness programs and exclusive audible originals. Simply can't get anywhere else audible members are making the most. Of all that audible dot com has to offer to help relieve the stress and uncertainty of these difficult times. I know I am. The power of a book to consume my thoughts and and take me away from this groundhog day like world. 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Kevin for the sake of brevity euro. Awesome and my scene suggestion is a vape shop. Please keep doing what you're doing Chris from the UK. Thank you Chris. And that was called. The Flying Dragon can do I can do a pigeons which light which this will. that. Was Not for sale just yet, but it's not on the market. What about that one? this is tweedle dee. Would just with the hooks on it Let's doves love. which just looks like a human foot. Cracker Phobia. All these things sick did it's my shop it's my shot. Look before listen the way you pick a vape is not just like what looks cool it's like what do you need? Are we talking injection of nicotine to the system? Asep but we talk again well I mean, yeah. kind of or we're talking about clouds for days you know what I mean. Are you. Needle vapes ABS. was that one called. SPINK. Nicer. It hasn't gone good to take a number I can help you this guy's just looking. At state them staint. Matter, of fact, I do did you blueberry or passion fruit of? Passion fruit, fish oil. Nicer. For. Sure you are Jason Statham and I might. Get that a Lotta. So you in the Meg let's was nine. Crop US, MEG To lose. A. Photo because really want to get this. Way. Are you save them now manages to get out. Love photos be sick. These are these are free. If you are him I gotta charging. Big. Jason. We gotta go we gotta go get. We gotta get back into the. Ranch. All folks. SORTA. Yeah Ottoman painful and there's stupid photo real quick. Okay. Hey listen liberal you. have an underground competition here tonight. or coming in with Titian. A vape competition you know what? I don't even to know if it's underground, I mean what time? Okay it's miniature. Stunts I. We have a live different categories. We have a up and smoke category. We have nicotine nine category alive different categories. Jason the they're giving me a ticket right now you've to hurry up. Give me a ticket, right? Registered a Chrysler put an ice pick three of fucking on getting the. Sort of. Look I don't care who you are. You're parked in handicapped unloading zone are GONNA have to give you a ticket? All right. That's understand. You don't understand. It's just for a second chase him state than. You. Jason State them. So that bake shop right now we're going to be in we'd be out we can't go to a regular parking spot that's going to be a deal. He. Wants to give you what fifteen minutes I'm not going to do. Fifteen minutes voice see somebody show up here with a wheelchair or handicapped sign I'll pull out of the spot but right now there's not using it. Sir there are several meters spots ahead of you that are open a new of not chose them or even decided to use it as as a as a thing. Dictate. Them. Jason. Action Hero. He's GonNa come running out and he needs to be able to help in this car right away. Okay. Please just give me five minutes. I'll give you five minutes but across you, I'm Anita photo with Jason. State them. Or right you stay here. We'll take one quick photo when he comes out don't worry he loves photos I will hurry it up. Okay so it's by invite only. Okay. show. You know which category you're signing up for ahead of time. Past would. You just show up you to show up. Here's here's a quarter to. Yet that one's the transport on sale. Transporter three not on sale. Though I do what do I do this fly unable to bring this back down. No no uses. The DEUCES DEDUCES are. Now but not to hurt. Or actual shipment. Jason Jason, we've already got. We've already got a bunch of people outside waiting for you to get photos. It's like come on all over again. Get on get back in the car right back. Go back way out of him I. Can come counterparts I. Register. Back you fuck by the way you might meet somebody in the back just keep walking she's going to. Ask You for things just keep going okay fair enough and hate data slight. Thanks bye shirt. Given up. Sites. Now, that's just for him to us to go through the bag. Are. You going to compete in what man? I was thinking about it but. Most of my skin on my feet is like really raw. And I don't know how long I can stand you could sit. All. Right. Easy. Coming up from the front he I've been waiting for how long? I think he could be here. Just what? Is. This your first time one of these underground vapes. All right. All right. Nice. You're in for a treat man. Let me tell you. This is the first time we've had celebrity here. You must yet. streisand. Only SS. I all the. Better but this might be the first time we've had a CELEB- with a vape pen named after them. Right. Detroit. Stations Insane. I tried I sucked deep from. Stanford stains. Is Bad. Yeah. So you you were you showed up specifically to get stays state while it's for me. I'll be honest. I don't understand half of what you're saying, but it's It's so goddamn intimidated. Alright Laurie. added. Face we all WANNA make. I don't know what it is. Why would I talk? Does everyone screen? Keeps I. Just want to. Own. Alright alright. Up. I, forgot to sign up sign up. Play we got APE. Here what would need to sign up if he already what you gotta get on the list and you gotta go right list and you gotTa list in the order that you sign up. So I don't do this. So other Amar man, you're crazy. Ended, the same thing. He's like a bird. Now Reggie I don't give a shit. Okay. You'RE GONNA. Stay in my Goddamn home until Jason statium comes and picks you up and I, get a Guy Damn photo aright understand he doesn't even know him he how's he gonNA come here and get you a photo the last he saw me I was outside of that vape shop with the new better text him or call him or send a pigeon with a cellphone strap to its throat. I don't care how you do it. Sweetheart, you're breathing burgers for only got. Shit. Why do you have be plying folded? It's fucking pork burgers dim it don't sit. With, them. It's something else in the room been kidnapped? I'm scared. Who Sat? The burgers are going to be fine relax. Burgers they don't want them to be burnt I, want them to be juicy and cooked just. Like, my pork burgers. Why Clare Soda Aright? Scott. dammit. These fucking pork Os. Well, you know what? Fuck it Reggie, you're going to get one of the Burns I'm sorry I. Wish I. Wish it was a different kind of. Introduction but there's no way. That those engines cost cats, please. I don't WANNA HAVE A. Look we'd be honest as your doctor carcinogens cause cancer. That's Okay? Yeah. No. So I should switch to vape. By definition carcinogens cause cancer. Right In WHAT'S THE CONFUSION You're the one who she up at my front. Man. To Dinner Party right. Dr Tokyo I'm sorry how making up online high? No I know. But I just had a question to ask you. Should wait in line or Get on the list. Maybe. He could I. Think. So carcinogens, let me just ask really quick carcinogens in smoke when you're smoking it's It's obviously. Is that I mentioned to be Frig Report Burger. Any thug because once it's it's just carcinogens, right? Different words, pure sin agenda, but it's. Particularly Acute Import Acute Alright. you. Yes. My question okay. I've been rapping cheese around different pieces of meat and just eating the meat raw and I want to know. Is that is that cancer? I I I'm an oncologist. I'm not a dietician. Yes Dr they're line here. Are you in the list your? In the health I'm on the Into my question on the list. It's a stupid question. Thank you so much for hosting us. It's such dinner party we're going to go. It seems like you're. No No. No I took the Turkey I put on my purse. So we'll just thank you. Get a celebrity. We're we're we'll see you next time. Tele Eleanor we we had a great time in. Turkey. I'm just dealing with some patients who have some quick questions. Yes. You answer my question you didn't answer. Don't blush who don't eat meat raw. But and cheese. Little girl come you. Know, you don't understand stop criminal ankles. Bells going on. He calls this. Little girl what do you want in front of my dad? Deborah gets them work? Somebody's got to go get Jason's Day Committee will save me. Okay. The last place I saw him was at the shop. follows. Vape shop year right next thing you're gonNa tell me is that he is a new path You're. Carter Smoking stadiums change. Chase some states. Sounds. Spoken tweedle Dum. Mardi Cathal Derek. came. Out. Bound. From Mount town bound found. These coffee. Competition is just to see who could involving most tobacco is that petition? because. Or something, but they just went to sucking right away. Again. So this is shocking of there's there's different categories for different vaping techniques and skills. Yeah. But I think this fight, it seems to be just them inhaling as much in as fast as possible. Own. Freeze please me out of toy let. Normally. I do us you widow the guns and all, but I do have a question for you. Ever said. Would you like to sit down at noon tomorrow? Any backup. That that means. Requested. Stevie. Might be in danger. Hundred percent. So maybe sending Larry in the guise. Of. Sure we'll set on bikes. On Station. What's up? Usually when people ask for backup, they know what they want. It's unusually maybe said whoever? Totally. Fair. Just it's a weird situation here. Just trust me. I got three aces. Boys, we just got an alert. We're going to be the backup. We gotta get an are we Going to finish the game in that I get three aces the game is finished. Heavens over to. All right we'll look I don't think we should get into this bullshit about the cards I wanted to. Just. Three of a kind. But. The End When you want to be done or when you have the money, the game ends when we get called. Did you backup we'll do. Just, making this up man. Look all right the job to do all right more importantly you're sure to me who short him? Yeah. Yeah what fucking job do we have? We got a job we got it'd be backup looks like one of the guys in the field is needed. But like. Why don't you come to the field? I guess working dispatch because I. I did sit on field. So dive to work in the. Office. But everybody deserves a second chance. Should we still have our hands up? Shut up. All right we're just trying to have a vape Bob here man, do you want a good sandwich? You don't. Would you don't have the answer that night? And you. More Moreton. Would you like to sit down tomorrow? Definitely said everybody math now now co two co to. Give Shit. Okay. Just eat the. Getting alert. Looks like someone found Jason Statham and some underground vaping competition this is it. This is our opportunity family. Hello come on that's been training for maybe could get just get your jacket. Let's go. On time. What happened what happened you told? Her ankles Jesus Christ. there. You Go. You just go. Are you going to go with? Bring me I know Jason Shut up. You have to go. Up. Talking. He's Nice. I saw catching he listens to me I'm sorry. The choice I'm tied up here with my eyes blindfolded. Kiss. Interest. I'm. GonNa. Answer that no, I'm not going to answer probably chase. Answer. Hello Okay right now ed it was the force they said Go. Star Wars the force the police force, the SPRITE. And Hey. When you get back, we'll talk you know what I mean. Bullshit you think I'm GonNa fucking leave I. Know you're going to ditch out with Reggie and you're going to release outer here with this. This is your chance at a parking meters reg to look up to look read. Wasn't. Up. From life alert to save you. Okay. Thank you. You're. You're in the early stages of cancer. Okay. You just had a pork Burger. was over cooks. crispy. Oh, that sounds awful. I'm GonNa get you out of here. Okay. Because you're a meter maid and that's not sex see. Oh, my God hello made is in the title people have fucking made. Love. Back. I'd look what do you want me to quit my job? No. Your job going. My job look at brought a perp in I- hog tied a per. Okay. 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I'm sorry cleese stop asking me for suggestion I'm just trying to get my kid to have some help. Stop asking for a one word to gestion. But if you can think of any won't be. It's not just want I want Timothy. To get the help he acts out and I know is just something. I don't know a word problem. A lot of words everything you're saying. Want. My child is a problem no no no see but that's best bridge to a sentence anything. So let me do this this How do I do this Mommy. Angry Tele, fellow y you're angry. Thinking Timothy I'm angry because my son. Is a bad bad boy. He's bad. He's rude he has new. Projecting. Any says that a lot of pisses me off a foot him that's a really funny bit a Tim. Tim Tim as name. Timothy tempt. Timmy. Timothy want hills good coming out of your face. Can't is. A. Human me for a moment here. No Pun humor me here's five bucks get another pair of those shoes bring me to change. Your you know. There is a local Improv theater that I. AM. Sorry. This is where I draw the line to not get my son into Improv. I would rather be murdered in front of him then for him to do Improv comedy. Hey. Man Look you can't just bring anyone to the chuckle hut. Okay. You know this is What do you mean? What do I mean? You can't? Vouch for somebody by the way, he sounds more like a standup. D'Amato everyone to stand up. No. Sub Smiling. I can't stop. Laghman. There's there's additions, teams you know how it goes. You can't I, of course, know how it goes but there's something going on with you my man what's going on give me one word sketch. Sketch. You feel you don't feel comfortable. You we want to write things out more than your life. You won't have more structure more of a path where things are going to beginning and end is that right? Yeah Yeah I WANNA follow plot frankly yeah. Plod Plod will help you wanted written out but if you're just doing an impromptu, not going to help them and you can't control the someone I'm looking I'm sorry I don't mean to walk into the chuckle hut but I'm looking for jewelry greer where the hell is that son of a gun. No. BEF-. Before you walk in here where we see he's on his throne as he always is okay and don't just call in the career you better call him Sir. Where he. Gets fucking, Livid. He's sponsored I bought. Yeah Well I bought his book and now my kid is a danger to society. I followed his instruction. Hey, my man I don't know how to what to do here are like you're giving us a lot of heat. If you WANNA talk to, you can on the back, go to the throw it. All, right, I'll look for them. Is. There s how love tall dark and handsome that dare come near me and my own you must be Joey. greer. Yeah. You must be Lieutenant Colombo because you figure that out. So quick. I read your book. No put. DADS do. I did. Favorite chapter. I think the whole thing is. What would you say Mr Career I was just doing garwood child. I realize your child. Your Book. Oh It's Exactly, use your will buy child was a good kid was a good kid right and I tried to raise them as a single dad thought maybe a little bit of help from somebody that's trained as a book. So I picked up. No but. Could turn into a monster and what do you suppose that you share with them from the book that might have turned him a little left or right well, first of all the no. But part it made him very confrontational. That's terrific. It's just the title. So what chapters pathetically or we're looking at worst chapter, there was a chapter about space work. Okay and he s base worked all over reach up always reach up. That's the one that gets them. Going, reached up what's up there What's up there? Mr Career Look Laura I know it's my weakened to take the boy but I don't want. I don't. I don't give a shit. Care I really don't care. I. Don't. I don't I also don't care. I have not been able to have a person of her with this boy. He's always barging into my room. He's always going through my clothes and I need some time for myself. Okay take. Him. Men give a shit. Okay. You know used to love me by the way. I when I was young and dumb. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know that you. What are you? I'm old and smart? Good. Are we going to go or what I'm. I'm parked in a handicapped unloading zone we're GONNA do. Is that your new girlfriend what is she eighteen this time nice. Yeah actually. Yeah. She's at Gummy Debbie spin around spin around. Maguire look at that. Ankles. Ankle only I have a very uneven steps outside of my house. Here's me trying to unload a handicapped person. My car. Broke. Lodi handicapped. Look again, this is no you've walked you'd limp yourself this Jesus you miss you miss me. I don't what about anything I said what about anything I have said makes you think I, Miss You. I don't know maybe the top your work. have. Cam. Are we going to go or what baby? What is she fifty-seven? Baby Spin River spin around. You got it. Oh, my shoulder. Shoulder just Oh, my shoulders came out. Nice what excuse me I'm trying to pick up a mobile order. Somebody's in the spot. Laura's that's me. So. Yeah. I'm Outta here a good senior. I'm sorry you need to take our son Timothy Okay he has behavioral issues, and if he stays with me any longer I'm GONNA lose it I'm GONNA pop lid. I'm GONNA pop the top I'm not gonNA stop. As you say are we going to go would What is that? One? Hundred year old man Bingo. A turnaround early. that. Does our son has there been working for him. skin fell off. We access to this fire hydrant. Of course there he hasn't been working. You recommended me to your pal that you did Improv within college. Is a good I gotTA move my stick that's on that fire hydrant and don't don't don't say college like it's a bad thing. You know short-form gets a lot of goths but it's it's bioterr- I'm not mad about the difference that he did short-form incentive long-form you love me. All Right Sport I'm worked at deal and I've got you go into an Improv camp, straighten you out apparently. I was the one that read the book wrong no but I'll go to an air hockey camp. fucking Improv. It's a workshop. Weeklong and you're to be studying throws over there. Okay. Nobody will work with amateurs. No. I need to just one moment step out of the teachings that I've taught you in the past it. Yes me here. Get in this car. No skateboard down the mood. Okay. Okay okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got This I got this you sit down in this car. we'll let me just get a beer from my tiny fridge. Kick, you must bring that little beer into this. I'm taking out I'll try. No. Hey Hey. It's my kids I. Don't give a shit, but it's. What? The hell. They don't Chuck House going on over here. Let's. Just home down. This is my kid radio. This is my kid. This guy. No but holy Shit let's. Talk. I'll get kid listen. Here's one hundred and twenty dollars. You live your life anyway you want. Wait wait wait wait I. Want to add to that I. Want to add to that. No but your money's no good here. Good here. Run runaway go but I'll stay here. I'm not taking care of you I. Don't know if you WANNA take care of you can live with me. You can live with me nor. Knows you you're not coming with me no. Nobody I. Don't believe not dealt with the night kid I'm not visiting me. Yes I by. Wait. Where are you going I'm adding you. Don't leave your hands. At a blank check table. Stop show me your palm that don't care note this kid's yours. Also, somebody life ever this kid's dead. I'm sorry. Did you say kids dead? But dead. Right right off learn hello. Hi we beat the shit out of some guy who may or may not be a someone's father fair. You have a great day. Thank you. Damn. That was nice. I, just gave me a little like a heads up. We're doing. We're doing. All right. I just said as I should these DC that out there is like crazy. What? See that side and it's like all these cop cars and. Fire trucks just like breaking through all these people's cars and I know given the window to above the grill steak. Yeah it's Nice I get to see the city. Nice right. So what are we got for lunch today? She, Yeah. No you should know that already they should just trickle off the tongue. Was All. VEGGIES. which just eggplant like man I need protein I. I saw I know. But that's still got. What's photography Tuesday today? Clint. Okay. All right. Good. Drake. Steve. Don Courage him like that. We can't have a plant. tacos. What the Hell is an eggplant. TACO. I don't WanNa live in a country. That considers eggplant filling for tacos. Tortilla that makes a TACO. You can put anything in there. Okay. So you want to register your own party. For voting and your whole platform is eggplants can't be. On, tacos that's all it is well, no, there's more to it but that's that's I. think that's a heading. That's a that's an attention grabber. Writer will look at that on a banner way. What's your name? My name is Dr Stocks Are you happy with the way things are going right now in the government. Local, are you happy with your options on what the next government might look like? Now. No. Budding right. You're right. Let's join the movement. I mean, if I, honestly, if I had my dream. Let it go. It would be trolls, right? Yeah. Join us. We'll put trolls on the on the on the ballot for sure ice trolls Cave trolls. I. Just think of. Like, wow. You. Know I don't know a damn thing about trolls but. To have I mean sit down please let me get get it started. So trolls, themselves are believed to be. Back. Laura I miss you. Notice I didn't open the door. You're talking me through the screen. I'm not letting you into my house. No take the boy. Now you WANNA take him I don't want you but I will. Find. Could Timothy? What does it come downstairs? Why? Shut, your, dad is here. Take you there is there is. Senior months I know I know I've been. What have you been exploring? Oh Yeah. No not like that. Timothy. He has been having sexual intercourse with every shape size and age of human being you can imagine and that to him to your father takes priority over taking. Vegetable oration that's right and now daddy's very sick. Dan Did you get yourself a little something? Yeah. Laura why ain't it ain't good. You have an STI. What does the is now for you're not supposed to say s GD anymore disease stigmatizes it to say infection STI okay. Is this true of disease. STRAIGHT UP DISEASE ELECTION A. Couple of. Antibiotics, it's an anchor what is The Big One. Sam I'm sorry. Somehow, you have both an STI and. I really have to get back to this dinner party all but. I WANNA. Know did it come from the partners I've been with or? A Doctor You did what? Okay. Yeah that was. So good I, cut you here. At home I had another question. Is WanNA run by make sure I'm okay. Okay. We're GONNA leave we try to. Be The main. So much fun. Come on. No, it's great guest celebrities in their their hard mind. We don't mind coming over and then leaving ladies and gentlemen welcome to the chuckle huts. Cloudy. Tonight. You were all here to bow down before the comedy genius of Surgery. Career. Yes. No but I'll have. He's got. But he has. Yes a special guests within tonight. Somebody larger went right through the ranks to. No classes? No Rehearsals? No teams. This is I show. So put together. An idea. Of a suggestion in your mind. So go to put together an idea of a suggestion in your mind because. Don't serve regardless. Oh. Okay. Got It. Okay here they come Joey greer Sergio greer and guest. Okay, hollow. Dolph. Glad to be here where AMA-. Okay Just, you my special guest I. Then I'm GonNa. Go lie down. He's going to be out here for twelve minutes. Plays welcome Dr. Hope. No One Coming to stage was going on I, don't know this is some Garde Shit I like this he get up there one go up there. What what, what are you talking about? Go Up there go play. You said Doctor poop going to. Go up but no one's up there. Maybe he means anybody can be doctor poop then he would have said that love what I assume that. Make. Assumptions. That's a big part of what we do. I know that I'm just talking to go up there cut them psychologist. Go you know what you're talking about. Okay I'M Hello. Joey. Sorry. I'm late I got held up at a dinner party at my house. Doctor. Sorry Nancy. Wondering, what that doctor's name was Also, very much being. Yeah. Who would not want to be in the waiting room for? Dr. Poop Cristovao thank you so much for joining us today. How is sunny? Still a good boy sunny still go boy we gave him my haircut this morning. Nice and he looked so cute if you WANNA see just out, you go to at sunny as a good boy on instagram and do. Caroline Connor. Thanks. When does he drive across the country begin tomorrow? Tomorrow Yeah is that Real Israel five am I'm leaving in a car, right? And you've you've you've decided to pick people up along the way is that still the plan? Yeah. But nobody's gotten to me about anything. So let know I'm down to make it flexible I'll pick you up wherever you are on the US just hit me up. And the destination of course is beautiful New Jersey. still need an address in street name. How's your car? Only, I brought it to the shop had to pay A. Fuck ton of money to get it fixed. So if it breaks down which I think it will I'm gonNA. Lose my marbles but. That's kind of it. Oh beautiful. Good luck please. Give us some progress reports. If you don't mind, you got it. I'm getting emails, people want absolutely no James Thank you so much for joining us as always. Where should folks fine you? They can find me at the Real James Heaney Dot Com. That's a pretty easy way to to find me I would just bought the website. 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Listener Mail: Narconon and Scientology, Getting Kicked out of the Freemasons, and the Disappearance of Rebecca Coriam

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Listener Mail: Narconon and Scientology, Getting Kicked out of the Freemasons, and the Disappearance of Rebecca Coriam

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Hello welcome back to the show. My name is matt. My name is no they. Call me ben. We're joined has always with our super producer. Alexis codename doc holliday jackson. Most importantly you are you. You are here and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know this. Is our listener mail segment so every week. We find at least three pieces of correspondence from the most important part of this. Show your fellow listeners. A we've got some got some doozy's here today and as we've said in the past we get this massive amount of correspondence via email via social accounts Via telephone number one eight three three s. Td wate k. And matt i believe that our our first piece of listener mail today is in fact a message it is. It's a message from lana and let's just play i'm and i was just nearly or one of your lake here now and you're talking cruise industry and i was thinking of really interesting to look into for your listeners to bring awareness to This is paris affected oriane. She disappeared in twenty eleven From a cruise ship which has since been realized to sort of be talkable hudson human trafficking. And i think that aspect of Cruise ships and stuff really interested in there. We go we. We have been talking about cruises quite a bit in the recent past. I think our interest was. I peeked when we were just learning about The the trap the viral infectious traffic that a cruise ship can become when out at sea and just a single infected person gets on board. And you know then became i guess. Our interest in the industry overall has been doing for many years about law. When you're on international waters and just some of the industry's regular habits about how they keep costs down and really interesting stuff but we have not talked specifically about any disappearances. I don't think ben. Unless i'm wrong. We talked in the past about. We've explored some cases of people who went missing in international waters while not necessarily on a cruise ship But just like that episode of always sunny in philadelphia. You know the The rules are different on the high seas. A really loving pointed that out. We have not talked about rebecca corry who disappeared in march two thousand eleven march. Twenty second. She was a crew member on Ship called the disney wonder. And i do think that this could warrant a full episode because it already has some of the commonalities we've seen in other controversial missing cases Number one. there are a lot of theories number two. There's a lot of valid criticism of the subsequent investigation. Then of course we have to realize that hall without having a dime the kind of research. We'd need to do to make a full episode of this. We have to realize that this gets very close to us messing with the big mouse disney disney wonder. That's big mickey. That's the big mickey mob. Man the mouse will come for you. It reminds me of that show succession. That was on. Hbo you scandal no spoilers but yeah the thing. Well they're yeah. There's a massive corporation that has an arm that is essentially the their cruise line arm of their company. And you can only imagine that this would be a public relations nightmare. So i would say the the company that owns this cruise liner where something may or may not have happened would have an incentive to keep it as quiet as possible or as needed to be for the investigation to continue along. I'm assuming i'm assuming others may be looking at what's occurring here. What occurred how the investigation moved forward with a more skeptical. I when it comes to the actions of the company. There's a lot to cover in this topic. I would say there's a there's a pretty extensive time line begins around five forty five. Am on march twenty. Second you're talking about. There have been which was a tuesday that it actually saw rebecca on the phone. It's a ccd camera. Just you can watch her being upset. Having an argument of some kind or being looking like she's upset by what is being said on that phone call and then she ended up not showing up for work not not showing up for her post the next morning and that was that she's been gone ever since and people have gone overboard in the past. But here's the thing to set the stage right. The most likely the most likely disappearance with someone on the ocean in a boat is going to be. Somehow that person going overboard. The seas were called There are tons of discrepancies here too just for anyone who's not familiar with the case. Quickly find weird stuff like there. Were flip flops in a room. That were the wrong size. That doesn't prove anything but it's weird. It doesn't seem like she would have committed suicide but we don't know what's on that phone call. We do know that people have not been happy with it. one other screw thing is jurisdiction right. Because i think this ship is flagged in the bahamas correct so the look initial law enforcement Has to be carried out by law enforcement. In the bahamas. Yeah where does the human trafficking angle come in the human tra- oh we're our caller atlanta was talking about cruise lines potentially being a source of human trafficking. And you know. I do not currently have the raw data for that or the evidence to support that claim. But anytime you've got a massive ship that is traveling around through international waters to to other countries and there are people boarding the ship. There are people getting off the ship. There's certainly opportunity right now. That make sense. Well yeah consider. i mean consider. The employment practices can become so sticky when you are hiring people from one country to work on a ship of a different country to go into international waters. And as you said matt make many stops along the way. It's not impossible for things to go awry like this. Is the transportation sector right. It's the entertainment sector sure but it's also the transit sector and the transit sectors rife with opportunity for traffickers like sex trafficking. Maybe in the way that you might see it occur in las vegas like the the to put a fine point on it The john's or the people who think they're engaging in some kind of consensual sex work may be actually involved with someone who is being forced core coerced to be there. But i do wanna point out Without too much with spoiler he wasn't too long ago. That rebecca correy girlfriend at the time said that ripped. She said that in her opinion. Rebecca took a lot of drugs and maybe deliberately leapt off the boat. But that's still like not officially proven right. Yeah there yeah not at all you really have to look at her parents who have been fighting battles in and out of court. Since march of twenty eleven with both disney cruise line with the disney company. I guess in their coach their cruise line arm as well as just attempting to find out more information from the various investigators that have been working on the case. I don't want to spoil too much here. But as of twenty sixteen d company did settle with the the family. Yeah so so. There was money paid. I don't. I highly doubt that any wrongdoing was you know was admitted there now. No admission of guilt. That's that's a a settlement is also you know it's not necessarily a sketchy thing again. I think now we're all being careful because we do on a full episode and we don't want to spoil it but be very very transparent when a corporation or even a celebrity for instance reaches an out of court settlements. Then what they're doing is they're they're paying the person off or the pain the The aggrieved party off But they're doing it outside of court meaning. There is no legal admission of guilt and the case will be considered settled and no further legal proceedings will occur at least in that in that specific instance. You know what i mean like. We see cases get Go to mistrial or get dismissed in civil cases successful so there were not without precedent. The idea people disappearing from cruise ships. I just found like marketwatch article from two thousand seventeen so the stats will be a little higher by now but Since two thousand according to this article around three hundred people have gone overboard from cruise ships and ferries And that's according to data collected by ross. Klein is professor in the school of social work at memorial university of newfoundland in canada and of those folks like there. Are you know Several many that are still still missing presumed dead. So it's you know it's a thing that happens. People drink a lot on cruise ships and they can just topple overboard of their own volition gas. But just you know of on their own. As necessarily mean that there's foul play and i was wondering to like do cruise ships ever like piggyback and carry cargo as well and apparently that's not really a thing so i'm wondering like where on the ship would human trafficking victims be held. I mean i'm assuming of course there's going to be internal cargo for the things that they need to make all the meals you know. Whatever belts services are provided on the on the cruise ship. I'd be interested to see what the stats are. For proving that Human trafficking takes place on commercial cruise lines. It's tough i mean it's a tough stat to pull in an annual way because your question many of the to your first question. Many of those human trafficking victims are in some cases. Going to look like any other Any other passenger. That's a good point. They're being controlled by you. Know their their main abuser or trafficker who is putting them up Under any number of ruses and the truth about the matter is if you are if you are a company operating ships that take hundreds and hundreds of people on a boat regularly you are going to have a difficult time giving each single individual a background check other than making sure that their credit card works and they that they can legally travel to whatever country. You're taking them to so it's it's tough. It's tough in. It's it's a problem that we know What's the problem we know. The industry has taken steps to address. But it's a it's a herculean effort On a brighter note. I i knew. I mentioned this like every two or three. If you want to travel across the ocean and you don't wanna go out and cruise ship and your flexible with your time. You can get a really affordable ticket on a cargo ship and it'll just be like you and the crew people maybe two other people who love to travel and maybe maybe we'll work on that novel. Who knows you. You have to bake in like two two. Two six weeks of flexibility on either side. Yikes i imagine just getting for whatever reason getting stuck outside in obey somewhere in this giant cargo ship. Because you're not allowed to dock yet and there's some kind of trade dispute occurring and you just live there on a cargo ship. Sure life now would be great if guys if we could record on the cargo ship. That would be pretty neat. I'm still working that out. There are some technical difficulties. Ben i mean you'll recall and not the too distant past. We were recording pretty regularly in what felt like a shipping container. So yeah we'd be perfectly at home in such an situations true. I'm in that now. Actually walk guys. This isn't hours though. I own a cargo ship. Don't be mad at me. i thought you would say. I thought it would tell you what i was on the boat. I thought you might say no. I was wondering sloshing sound. Why well just to bring it back to rebecca correy. I'm you guys. And without spoiling. I think there should be a an episode that we cover in the future and this is what i want to leave you with. This is from hollywood reporter article that is discussing the two thousand sixteen. I guess. The the result of the court case that went through This is a quote from jim walker. A miami based attorney who represented the courtrooms in the united states throughout this case. He says the case has been resolved. They're pursuing an inquest in the uk. But i'm not supposed to talk about the case so that's interesting right now here. Here is another quote this one from british parliamentarian at least in two thousand sixteen chris matheson. Here's his quote. My worst fear is that rebecca correy was murdered. it's a possibility and it needs to be investigated properly. The more you look into this the more it smells rotten. The more it smells like a crime has taken place so to terrible. Like absolutely horrifying and terrible for the corium family and for rebecca correy. I'm herself however for you know the possibilities here of uncovering something that we can really dig into that we can talk about on this show and maybe expose some stuff going on in. Been problems like you're speaking to know. It feels like this topic is right before it so excited to dig in more. Thank you so much for calling and letting us know about this. Yes great thank you and thank you to. Everybody was written in response to our Our earlier exploration of cruise ships. There's there's a lot beneath the surface there you know. We can't wait to dig in and one of the one of the most amazing things here. is is just how much firsthand experience we've been learning about in your correspondences with us. We're getting an inside peek and we want to. We want to go further down the rabbit hole as is our wont speaking of inside peaks we also we received a number of Correspondences from people who reached out had no idea. This many people would talk to us about this people who reached out to tell us how you can in fact get booted from one of our favorite secret societies. We'll tell you more about this. After a quick word from our sponsors and now another edition of obvious news from geico. A study says that soft talkers. Do not make great radio personalities. We asked local librarian. Steve sage about this. And here's what he said by the harry. Captivating radio also an obvious news gyco makes it easy to save money and easy to manage your policy with the geico app so switching is a really smart decision. How to steve feel about this. The guy co app. I use it all the time. That's all these news from guy com. Hey it's your homie. Sorry it's your home. I know you don't like it. When i call myself me so i have some favors to ask you. Could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room. My floorboards are tired. Another easy thing. We save money. If you bundled your home and car insurance geico one more thing. I know you love lavender. Scented candles but could be try to. He should vanilla. I think it would fit my five better dargo for bundling made easy go to geico dot com today and we're back Yes to the question has arisen. I will wear where did this. Come up fellas The idea of getting booted from the masons remember how that came about. Wasn't that on a news episode. Or what was known. That's a garrison courtney who is pretending to be a deep cover seattle as rabbi as built to built a bunch of high ranking government officials out of millions. He got close The people were so important that he got close to signing some multibillion dollar contracts which should have also given him full legal immunity at one points he claimed to be hooking someone up in contact with an ambassador that he said he knew through the freemasons when the marking question finally spoke to said ambassador. It turned out that the only thing that ambassador new was this man garrison courtney had been kicked out of the masons And i think that's where the three of us started asking ourselves. Well the four of us start asking ourselves how. How do you get kicked out of the masons. I think it's interesting question. And also the way it occurred to us as interesting because because of the paths that we We sort of follow with some of these stories. You know secret. Societies have certain air of sinister to them. And i think it's certainly possible to ascribe that same thing to the freemasons but at the end of the day. There's a lot of information out there about the freemasons and you know anyone can be nominated to be a member and you can even go to your local chapter and petition to to be a member and we'll talk about that in a second but the idea that you know somehow masons are these like high level you know cree evil type sir. Criminal masterminds or something. That's where my mind. Because how do you get kicked out of an organization. That's already pure evil. But that's definitely not the case. The masons do a lot of good work for the community as we know the shriners an off shoot of the masons sponsor all these children's hospitals and you could argue is just a front for all of their various underground dealings. But you know it's an interesting thing to think about. It's also a very long tradition of freemasonry as we know and there's certainly been some shadowy figures that have been connected to over the years but also some very prominent end An upstanding figures might have been connected to it One of which i would argue is our anonymous email. Email are Even doesn't even give a name. He just has a very clandestine. Email address using letters and numbers. I don't know what it necessarily is pointing to if it's initials or weapons quite a lot of numbers. But he has this to say about the the question At hand here. hi guys. I was in the freemasons for just over five years. And in that time i climbed in the blue lodge as well as obtained the rank of knights templar in the york rite as well as the thirty second degree in the scottish. Right the quickest way to get booted out was by being convicted of a crime. Fallon's aren't allowed in and getting one. We'll put you out. Misdemeanors are hit and miss demeanour says mine largely depending on who you know. You can be injected for non payment of dues. That was a question that came up. But i've never known that to happen. There were guys that hadn't paid for years. Generally anything over a year past do will mean you're getting letters. I never had access to the upper echelons but i did know people who were from my time and it all seems like traditional fat things. The main secret is the secrecy and elitism itself. Any other secrets are handshakes codewords. And ritual things. Think phrases acting out scenes Things like that. No one would really care about if you attend a public session. That is held once a year. In most places you will witness what happens at even the highest levels really interesting information. I wouldn't be surprised if small cliques form within the lodge who may get into things at the public. Wouldn't like but. I think you could say this for any group of considerable size. I'm willing to answer any questions. The best of my ability. Hey check this out we live in. It's all frame but you guys remember this one. Yeah for help right. yeah there it is. Youtube crowd was the help for the widow son. So good but i don't feel like we're compromising any any masonic organizations in the crowd by saying that this is the age of the internet and neither are non humous emailer. He seems to think that Anybody going to one of these public gatherings would witness a lot of the same stuff. And then maybe it's not as hush hush as one might think and that the Ritual ism of the organization is the notion of the secrecy but it's maybe not as iron clad as one might think do no. Did you see that we got. We got another email really recently about this. I just wanna read this tiny less or one from from another current mason. This person says sometimes brother will decide that he is no longer interested in being involved. Maybe he learned that we don't control the world or he's sick of eating green beans at dinner within a week and then issue him what is called a deem it which is a letter stating that. He left of his own accord and there are no claims against him. It's like an honorable. Discharge is whether this person yeah this idea of like what a what amounts to an amicable break. Up is is pretty refreshing. That's that's a good thing that a lot of More secretive organizations don't really have I also wanna shout out a someone who wrote a great letter to us about this From from maine and some of our our personal contacts who have been involved in freemasonry who talked to us about it. The point that you make anonymous that i i really appreciate it. I think we all appreciated. Was that the idea of collusion. And conspiracy is likely to form in groups of any size and it is likely to be the result of a small click or faction within a larger community working toward their own ends and larger community. May know nothing about this. Like a like think about this. Think about small town corruption rampant in america. Historically right. there's there's going to be there's going to be a mob in you know Some equivalent of a mob in three toe arkansas. Just as much as in chicago or new york city they might just not be italian. They might not call themselves a mob. But the sheriff in the mayor and whomever probably run the town so with that in mind in these smaller communities especially it's completely possible that they would all happen to be members of the same social network whether that's the rotarians or the lions club or yes the freemasons and then they meet after lions club league at the toastmasters or whatever at the masons Lodge they're able to meet under the cover of that organization and then they just go to another room a little what we would call a breakout session. And they're like okay. How are we gonna fix this election. In what i mean. It's the same thing we've talked about with all these secret societies. We had this conversation with with john hodgman from not mistaken about the book and snake secret society at harvard. Or where was it. Where where's that that's right and that's sort of the deal is any of these. There's going to be an opportunity to mingle with high level people with which you could potentially collude if who love us on and doing so And but it doesn't mean necessarily the entire organization is inherently corrupt or based on. Overthrowing the you know the status quo in some form or fashion. We've also learned is that you don't need a secret society for any of them. None of it you you just need. All you need is a country club. That's exactly own a giant country club somewhere near boca raton. Maybe i don't know palm beach. Area graphic go to boca or could be in the heart of atlanta could be anywhere really own and operate a country member. I've got gotta say to to anonymous until the other folks who have written to give us some information about freemasonry which which. I greatly appreciate my immediate question now. It was so hard not to email everybody about this is the line you read from. Our anonymous are anonymous. Lister where it's like misdemeanors are hit and miss or as you said misdemeanor yeah And largely it depends on nepotism right the end result of whether or not one can stay with the organization that's fine. A lot of these organizations do operate primarily on nepotism. As a matter of fact i would say nepotism is one of the number one things holding the species back overall. Unfortunately meritocracy is too often a myth but nepotism aside. I wonder what the misdemeanors are. Misdemeanors solely of moral turpitude as you'll hear sometimes on customs form or like i would love if there was for some reason. Something incredibly specific and something that seemed relatively meaningless or innocuous the uh us now in mason the outside and i wonder if that's like the number one crime in freemasonry i hope to god. It's stamp fraud. I for some reason. They're like the one thing that will you know. Sometimes people the car and sometimes they die. That's an accident accidents happen but if you make fake stamps brad. Perhaps coin forgery. That would be another good real specific fitter. I love that you're coins. Or i know i see beside the signs at all. The gas stations. Don't ask for. i did find it. An article written by a mesa master mason by the name of matthew. Arnold macintosh on a website called Wbz mason's dot org and the headline is high moral standards of freemasons and he goes through and kind of rights a treatise about how at its heart the whole purpose of freemasonry is to impart this high moral standard on its members and then i was sort of like okay. How do i become a mason. Didn't take long to find a website that gives you kind of a by step and how to do so. It's may sonic dash large dash of dash education dot com and It reads almost like an old timey pamphlet. Become a freemason. Would you like to become a freemason belong to the oldest and largest fraternity in the world. Here's how you must first find masonic lodge location near you. Contact them and ask for a petition to join. And then if you become a freemason you will as serious selling points. Join both the oldest and largest fraternity in the world join a brotherhood of over two million men of all ages from all races religions and countries and from all walks of life And then it has some pictures of some real cool signet rings that you get when you become a member. Why do so many men want to become a freemason. And it describes the organization as a voluntary fraternal organization composed of men of goodwill good character and good reputation whom in most jurisdictions around the world believe in an almighty creator and practice the spirit of universal brotherhood to man to man. Talk in this right. Yeah that's one of the big things. Yeah we need to. We need to get in front of that before Someone's writing to us about this so earlier. I think one of us said anybody can get in. I know some of us are writing emails about that right now. Don't worry pause. Pottery mail Own yes it's only dudes. There are associated organizations that are not entirely just dudes but that is that is one great discrimination and most of the masonic orders. I think also as you as you mentioned earlier. No one need not have a specific religion but must have some sort of belief in faker girthy spiritual yes exactly and then just just to wrap this up just wanted to. I've got this giant alphabetical list. I'm going to kind of just skip around a little bit but just some some high. You know highly influential and Big deal folks who who were masons and we know this Abbott bud bud. William abbot the abbot and costello fame was a mason Buzz aldrin was in fact a mason. The second man to walk on the moon Let's see we've got Gerald ford was a president. We know henry ford automobile pioneer. Of course let's this you just throw a pin at this list. And you're gonna find somebody influential. Joseph smith the founder of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints aka. the mormons. Isn't that interesting. I do love the idea. this is fascinating to you. We've already kind of expressed why this is but it's interesting. I think of masonry as being all about these clandestine kind of rites and rituals and to me. That would kind of fly in the face of being a christian or someone who's very closely identifies with But no that's not the case they they they're hand in hand and one doesn't necessarily require the we talked about that right. One of the only things you have to have is a belief in a higher power and it does not matter what that higher power is in your mind as long as you believe that there is one however three masons have been enemies of have been enemies of dogmatic oppressive religions and in the past have been enemies of oppressive governments. I mean look at look at the french. Revolution look albany. Founding fathers of the united states were affiliated with freemasonry. It's kind of there's something collegiate and salahuddin like about it. Idea the free exchange of concepts and being able to say well you know i. I'm not one hundred percent on board with this catholicism thing and not go to church jail or whatever they are just jail. Let's call it you know. It's one of many enlightenment organizations like the rosicrucians that you know The there's many very what are we talking about the order of the pug remember. That one went from ridiculous history reading butts. That was a french. wasn't that a french. Backlash against freemasonry freemasonry was outlawed in france. And they made this other organization. Voltaire was a freemason a very influential french philosopher who wrote about oppressive governments and oppressive system so interesting stuff guys but yeah. I think that that does it for this. Did you know george. Clinton was a freemason of parliament funk alec no the third vice president of the united states who am i thinking just did it because i knew he would think about that. George clinton sorry i. He's he's a mason funk here i think i think a lot of people would would agree that there. There is tangible benefit To these organizations both for the individuals involved and for Often for the communities right in which those Those lodges exist like to the point about the shriners and Funding medical care for For the medium for children. I think i think they get vilified sometimes like we never did an episode on the anti masonic party which confirms my standing theory. That if you want I if you want something like that like a political party Or religion to be successful. You have to be aspirational and offering something. You can't found a party just against something as wanted. God you know. God i mean like no more polar bears club. The polar bears are extinct But we already spent all this money On the On the chips and dip in the catering. So we're we're still going to get together. Wow that's really that's really great but this example but this is this is something relevant at some point. Everybody listening right now. We're watching this. Go out find a list of the former supreme court justices within the united states that were are members of free and accepted masons It's just interesting to see like when it comes to law and politics been as you as you noted earlier a lot of people who are in government or organization. Would i be correct in assuming that many of them who were freemasons would be more on the progressive tip then conservative or is there really not much of a line there much of a line. Obviously it's tough because the definition of what is or is not considered conservative or progressive has changed so much over just a few centuries. You know like of course. We're not that far away. From the time when women voting was considered to be like this radical extreme idea. What's next we're gonna to blow up the moon. And then later you know a few decades ago we thought about doing just that well first important. Former freemason to me is clearly robert pershing wad low The tallest human on record Who i believe is the guy that you'll see a sculpture of outside. Most ripley's believe it or not locations world over. And i think handsome family has has a beautiful heartbreaking song about him i did not know he was a mason. Put it make sense also. Matt i am sorry. I don't want to keep us going too long on this. But to the point you raised about the justices. I would ask. Is it possible that people the higher levels of government Or maybe of business as well Just tend to do more extra curricular activities you know are they also like overachievers. You're saying are they big in their. Hoa do they go get a public notary certification because they just like the certificate i mean are they members of toastmasters as well rotarians probably philanthropic organizations club. Everything yet yeah. The whole nine all good ones. It certainly is encouraged. You know when you're in school. You gotta get those extra curricula up to get into a good college. It makes sense. We're we're talking about the differences in ideologies within within members of freemasonry thing about this the first director of the fbi. J. edgar hoover the guy who called martin luther king junior. Think i can't tell you the exact quote but the most dangerous man. Essentially within the united states at one point in time the person who instituted co intel pro and spying on people who were attempting to capture their civil liberties inequality that guy was a freemason also someone who was on the other side fighting for civil rights. Reverend jesse jackson was a freemason or is it just really interesting to me that you can have this wide swath of belief in things that you would fight for and going president's skull and bones think about that point also strom thurmond tori asli Dixie crat the republican senator From from the state of georgia. If i'm not mistaken. I hope burns. He's bad gang bag bad guy Last one and then definitely remember. There's a lot of interesting names here to talk about is. This was not aware of this. Just as like a little. Bit of trivia william howard taft who was not only the president of the united states but also held the position of chief justice of the us supreme court. And he's the only man never to have headed up these two to bridge. Us government only president to be stuck in a bathtub as well auditor in just as a counterpoint. You know who else richard pryor We'll pause here Please keep writing to us with your inside experiences With with the freemasons. We would love to hear about your time in a masonic order. Whatever you're comfortable sharing with us most importantly let us know. If for some reason it needs to be anonymous Let us know about pointer fitters and let us know about what the what the what the red line misdemeanors are you know. And how late can our library books etc. But if you want to learn a little bit more do check out. Our past episodes. Check out our youtube channel. Youtube dot com slash conspiracy stuff with also explore Things like albert. Pike and a couple of other things will be of interest to people who want to learn more about masonic history. Oh and Shout to june support lodge one eighty eight also blue lodge for life the blue lodge because that is makes me think of twin peaks gyco presents left brain versus right brain. You know we should switch to geico picking up your down buddy. We could save hundreds of dollars a year on car insurance. Ooh with that kind of scratch. We can get the band back together for reunion or a. We were never in a band. Beagle and let us play the tambourine onstage. One time and see we will however put that savings towards a new interview suit logo at i found still got it. Geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. It's your apartment. Speaking and i need some favors. When you're seeing in the shower. Just try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really. You're a soprano. Oh and if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with geico. It's easy to do online and we could save money. And then when you read your murder mysteries at night could you read out loud. But skip the murder parts because i get scared for bundling made easy go to geico dot com today and we are back to examine what is sometimes called a A lifesaving organization and sometimes called a branch of a rather secretive. I'll just say it scientology okay. We've got this. We've got an email Got an email from cliff. See wanna give this to everybody. And then we'll we'll follow up on it. Okay so cliff you said hello back in two thousand twelve. I went through a narconon addiction program in the mountains of southern california. Scientology uses these programs to recruit people at their lowest and most vulnerable points. The entire program is based on teachings by hubbard. By which means l ron hubbard the founder of i i and then when he got sued the founder of scientology. This is a topic worth diving into says cliff. But as. I don't know if you read this. I'll just give you bullet points for now in a list these and they're fairly brutal one. They lock you in a cabinet in the desert telling you that you may leave but they will follow you with water. Only give it to you. If you come back they will not call your family or help. During the first month if you decide to wander off into the desert to they say the medical staff this is staff they have trained and ordained doctors and nurses next they force you to sit silently. Staring into another person's is for five hours without movement. They continue for five more hours with your eyes closed. If you flinch or start to off you start again if you question scientology they move to 'isolation until you promise the stop. The charge families tens of thousands of dollars constantly asked for more money and say that. We don't actually do scientology here. They monitor your phone calls under threat so you cannot say otherwise and then clift includes as with most rehab programs. They want you to take responsibility for your actions but they blatantly take advantage of this to make you feel like a you are a lowlife. They scientology or the only solution having said all this says cliff. It probably does help some people but in my honest and clean for many years. Not nothing's to them opinion. They scare people away from rehabilitation and make folks think it is a form of prison. I know this is something that maybe we have heard about before. But i don't know if we've talked about narconon on the air with each other have we. We haven't have we. I can't remember a time unless it was no i. I don't think our drugs in the military would have covered it or hallucinogens in medical research. I think this might be the first. Yeah so it's weird because both the church of scientology and narconon say that it's a secular program it's completely independent of the religious teachings of scientology. But it seems like many people. Many people are disillusioned with narcan or have family members who have gone through that program. They they argue the opposite. They say it's a front group for scientology with the ultimate aim of recruiting people. What are you guys. think about that. Well is it actually in any way associated with scientology is yeah it is like officially oh as at a organizationally its parent company. Is something called the association for better living in education way for able and able is owned and controlled by the church of scientology so it's like a subsidiary of a subsidiary which means they could argue you force that we exist independent of that We just have our roots there. If you go to scientology dot org. They have a whole section on drug rehabilitation and prevention. And that's the thing that's that's what makes scientology a bit. You know insidious is they are they. They appealed people at their lowest. Either professionally. or they're trying to get a foothold. Moved to hollywood. And you know. They're trying to become an actor or screenwriter. Whatever and that's the story you always here but this is even more predatory Whereas people that are truly at their lowest points and perhaps come from wealthy families or or pay the money that tastes because rehab ain't cheap I always assumed narcan non was like alanon and that it was just another type of meeting that you go to And then it was like a family situation that it wasn't like rehab exactly but i this is really news to me Alanon alcoholics anonymous. I'm sorry that's different to move. Yup yeah alanon separate from alcoholics anonymous. But i think it was. I don't think they're in cahoots or in conflict with one another. I think narconon so al-anon founded in nineteen fifty one right. Narconon was founded in nineteen sixty six so without sounding conspiratorial. Is it possible. That hubbard made a similar name. You know on purpose as a marketing or brand recognition thing And the more. I've read about narconon. The more i see problems with just their treatment in one thousand nine hundred seventy an official for the church of scientology said that narconon is rehabilitation programs are based entirely on the tenants and teachings of scientology. You know what that means no site. Psychotherapist right yeah. That's something that. I wish you would have gotten into with With mike on that. We didn't really talk about the aversion to psychologists and psychiatry. And i could probably guess why it is because it gives you agency over people gasoline you and and the tools to cope with abusers. That's just to my two cents on why that might be of course. There's there's there's a whole mythology wrapped up in it within the teachings of scientology it's fascinating stuff. I had no idea about this connection though like with the narconon and scientology zero. Oh yay if you look at their website. I went to narconon dot org and i was looking around trying to find something that says scientology on it on their main page. I did a quick little apple f for scientology and found it nowhere. It's not on there. It's not on that front. Page does not say scientology anywhere at least in something. That is searchable. And i can't find it anywhere in like a an image or something you know maybe just be embedded in an image but if you go all the way to the bottom under our history our technology and you go to about narconon and then you do a little apple f four scientology there you find zero identifiable mentions of scientology but if you go all the way down again underneath there's a subheading under about knockin on global mission fifty years saving lives blah blah blah blah blah blah. Oh here it is l. ron hubbard. There we go there. We talk about the stuff. They don't want you to know right. Yes weird i've wanted to do you know people in the current wanted to do for a number of years and episode on problems with rehabilitation programs throughout history in narconon has been in my on my radar for a while but it's tricky because we wanna make sure that we're not. I offer giving people medical advice legal advice and secondly that we're not like i. I don't want to do anything that would stop. Someone who needs help from going to a rehabilitation center you know. That's that's important thing but also you know the thing about narconon like here's one of the weirdest things about them in terms of their treatment. Have you guys heard of nias. Lake niacin bombs. Yes this this is where some of that comes from who yeah they would. Does somebody with four thousand milligrams a day of niacin And this is meant to the this is part of a vitamin mineral supplement regimen. That is supposed to address existing nutritional deficiencies and help help you offset nutrient lost through sweating. But the nice thing goes back to hubbard because he believed niacin would increase. I think it's free fatty acid and like the mobilization of free fatty acid. And then it would help you get rid of toxins. So they would They were dose you up with these massive amounts of niacin and niacin like any other particular substance. It's got a diminishing return you know what i mean. If you have too much nias it can be dangerous for you. I've heard people talk about using niacin. like spoof. a pee test for drugs. I don't know if that actually works or not but it you know in the same way that you're talking about the idea that i think what it does is. It causes you to sweat like crazy and causes like the capillaries on your skin to sort of expand and you get really read That's my understanding. it's interesting though. I don't know if it actually works or not though it does flush you It does give you a flushed. Your skin it's also banned in quebec and france. Because of this you'll see a health agency in quebec specifically that said they had to shut down a narcan on In scientology's rehab because four separate clients have been taken to the hospital due to the methods used there a. This is stuff like having people with addictions go cold turkey off something you know methadone or step down etc and these long detox in saunas that are meant to help you sweat out drugs and You know they pump you up with a ton of vitamins which may not always be healthy for you. It's also quite expensive. So there's question about the profit motive but yes in response to a cliff's email here. Yeah very much seems that it seems that these two organizations narconon and the church of scientology are related. the question is how independent or they And cliff do you. And other folks who have had experience with narconon feel that their ultimate goal was to recruit you into scientology where to help you get glean. Can i read the official. I found it. I found it on their website. Though right late okay so this is at narconon. Which is it's not spelled the way you may think it should be spelled. It is n. a. r. c. n. o. n. dot org just so everyone knows slash drug dash rehab okay. This is where you're going says since one thousand nine hundred sixty. Six superior results long term effectiveness. The narcan program is based on the discoveries in writings. Of l ron hubbard the founder of scientology religion. However narcan is nonreligious in. A person does not become a scientologist by doing. The program and hubbard was a humanitarian whose works include discoveries in the fields of education mental health and criminal reform as well as drug rehabilitation he began his research into drugs during the nineteen sixties and seventies when recreational drug use had reached epidemic proportions. He developed technologies to overcome the adverse effects of virtually every type of drug wanting to help those lost to addiction. Mr hubbard made his discoveries. Broadly available and the result was the establishment of narconon. They said it. They know what's up. The question is just how separate those organizations are. You know what i mean like. I can't be the only person who found out late night. After a after a series of poorly informed party decisions that pizza hut and taco bell is run by the same organization. You know what i mean. They literally split the building in half the blew. My mind and song about is quite good to So maybe maybe that's what that's one of the big questions like when someone is helping a loved one. Go into a program like narconon. Would they make the same decision if they were aware of. Its connections to the organization known as scientology. Not a dean on either of those organizations. That's just a question of why that message is not front and center on the website because matt it man. You're really good. You like have a news for digging into stuff we all do. So if it took you that long. I feel like there are a lot of people who it you know what i mean. Oh yeah yeah. It was not easy to find that fascinating and there we leave it a thank you so much. thank you. 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Part 2:Dick Powell

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

58:10 min | 1 year ago

Part 2:Dick Powell

"Sirius Xm presents with Steve. Big Horse racing handicapping interviews. This is who will do. We're back It's well it's getting close to the second half of the show so case At the top of the hour break in. But those of you that can tell time you know that. It's not the top of the hour but it doesn't matter we've got our technical reasons to include those when when we do happy to get Dick Powell back this morning off the the big weekend at shotton and with all kinds of Important local implications from yesterday and Dick. Good Morning Steve. I'M GONNA I'll throw compliments around like manhole covers tomorrow. Does a phenomenal nickel long time. You Know Nick Back. Right back to his origins pretty much. But I mean his text right on his writing is terrific and then he lends further credence when he goes to these tournaments and does fantastic. Just you know someone who doesn't do it the way I used to do it. You know tons of vitamin working everything. That's not easy to you. Know what. Style and substance. That's that's quite a combination. So he's got to eat very kind and totally true. Nick as good as nick breaks down race because he has a he's got a real in the one of the real elements that you got to. You have to have it at the root of your handicapping approach is it. Understanding race dynamics lemon and and Eddie Sterling. It tries to explain this a lot. You know when when people when people have you know certain views of of of horses and connections and stats and and they they simply will not will not acknowledge race dynamics and it's one of the reasons actually that Andy is widely misunderstood as he is but the Knicks understanding of how a racist is most likely going to run. Scully's another guy that's got a typically has got a very good snapshot of of Race Flow and as good as nick can can do identifying what the expectations for a a certain scenario as he. He's better he's a better better. Even I mean his handicapping is one thing but he he is as I as amazing. A live money in action. Better as you'll ever see And buyers is thought of that way too I mean they wanna Mandy buyers that the people only see certain sides of of what the rights and wrote in his in the breadth of his career. But Andy when you know once once once the clock started the tick during afternoon. He was brilliant. So it it. You know it's tough to. It's tough to be both stuff to be good anti-capitalist and a and a good better But if you had to pick one or the other I suppose being a you know a good better is might be the way you'd WanNa lean. I suppose if you could could choose just present awesome jogging and that one. I read his Texan analysis riding. Yeah well of course you know. For a long time. He was doing the the The analysis and and then you know it. It got to be a little bit too much of a time time drain but And he wasn't necessarily being compensated It's the way should have been great. It's great he's been he's he's really been the you know the house Handicapped I should come up with one of those like a Hermes or a a sweep. Or you know ray count We should come up with a with a nickname for nick. Like like the old the old selection grids Marty McGee armies for instance when it comes to the D. R. F. These days so you see the top twenty Truncated comments people's favor comments that they used to have a forum and stuff I I'm try- I know mine mine wasn't on there And it would just be some handicapped. Trust something because they know van any room to write and a mind was always edge in tight so that they'd have horse three maims type. I always I always. I always thought that that one sticks in my head the the others obviously didn't second-leg like remember anyone of them but they had twenty but they didn't have minded tested like some or its chances to fly as well. Well and there's what's interesting that you say that the way you do there in the closer looks and as we discussed actually with with Evan Hammonds and ED. Fontaine weeks ago when we talked about Metro Turf. That's a metro turf. Was the birth of the closer looks that are in the form and when you read when you get used to reading the You know the eight or ten different handicappers that that do those comments. And I'll also akin this to Andy Harrington in in national turf. There are certain couplets and phraseology that Harrington uses and whether it's you know whether it's Jim could shoeless writing or already groper or or Steve Grabowski or Any of the Bryant Park Mun longtime longtime closer look writer too and everybody around here. Nozaki certain people will use certain phrases that are absolute indicators of how much they like ours and and and entered like a tip off a special in Harrington especially if you go back after races and seahorses that one and go back and read what Harrington wrote about their work. You'll pick it up pretty quickly and I'm not saying that they use you know that they use it every single day you know or that in every race it once in a while they'll be a certain application and to me it says it's go time and I am and I'm and I'm familiar with Harrington 'cause I I always will come up at some doing anything regarding California racing and you're absolutely right absolutely. I do the same thing I like to go back after the race especially with the first time started. And did I miss something and the Nice thing when you read and these work because the layout is very consistent you see trying to bring a horse to boil and usually they bring 'em to boil two weeks before the race and then the work before the race might be more maintenance work and then they're ready for the race and that's how many probably probably baffert including when he has enough time and and you can see that so andy might not have the last race rated an a minus B plus. But it's the second life I work. It's usually made a second to last for where I really WanNa see what he rated the horse and what he had to say in comments and things like that. Yeah definitely well. Let's talk about The comments that we You and Marcus. We talked the last week. Rabbit terrific Visit and I think a lot of people dug into the Hong Kong guide that the two of you constructed and in fact the yesterday again. It was Recirculated on twitter Encouraging people that we're GONNA look at Happy Valley Talk about the Results deck because it was it lived up to the expectations. Yeah real- It really. Did you know what's what's shame is there would have been a gigantic crowd there and there wasn't but Just watch him watching. The races to spread writes kind of was weird because if they're made an easy lead. I mean he didn't even have to be pressed to get up there and he just had an easy lead although voyage warrior and he's just kind of cruising along forty five point four four and a half. That's that's good. But not out of this world and then he gets under stress and nothing and Barnes were couldn't continue on and then there comes a stunning getting a nice one for Frankie Law. Believe he's an eight year old so he's pretty much the end of his career so the pull out a group want act twenty one to one by the way carrots team and frankly more John Moore said there you know other than the bleeding. I don't know how long it's going to be on the sidelines. Because the bleeding my guess he. I can't imagine him running the rest of the year because it's only going to get hotter You know they can wait till September October to bring him back and point to the December major sprint race but that was kind of shocking does all of a sudden bleeding out of both nostrils the favorite in that race and then we went onto the champions mile and beauty generational and off the odds on favorites. She had a nice trip off a star. Look like he was gonna take over then he just got in this thing. Done data with sudden legend heads bobbing heads bobbing and right at the line. Southern Legend got the DOB. Buying those over degeneration kind of a kind of a heartbreaking loss ability generation. He was gone for third straight champions Mile If he want he probably would be Hong Kong horse of the year. I don't know he'll get it now. after the race. John mentioned about taken aback. Close maybe race once more down there. He's a seven year old gelding. It's really nothing more for him and Hong Kong But then yesterday during the coverage in the early part of Fard they mentioned John Moore had said that he was looking at a fourteen hundred meter race at shot. Ten at the end of May so that'd be great. You know obviously came out of there. It's fine you know if the BOB goes. Just go since we're talking about three true straight champions malls and one of the all time greats of Hong Kong vase so he just just couldn't win the final. I was thirty three point. One three then. The q the Q to Cup which was Kinda hurt. By lack of shippers exalt them went off the odds on favorite and he lived up to the billing with a kind of a to see a win Tony Cruz of Ron runs one to Zach pertinent. Who just missed in the champions mile aboard puny generation gets a bit of revenge? Winning the cute to Anzac has now become the first rider to win all the group one in Hong Kong and crew career Grand Slam. More than that. Yeah I saw that very cool. Yeah I bet show. It shows his versatility that You know wondering what's sprint distances. And the Exaltation of Suspense Tremendous Day this year in Hong Kong. They went to flat can on Forty six changed so the race. Had Tonight Senate stupid and look like exalts most of the way. And what's so that we go to yesterday and they upgraded the track after the first one from good to good to farm and as you mentioned it started out either with some first forays Joe One to Zach wants to that. That's out of the five as I told you last week. Talk about about two to five aces. But then suddenly enriched sex kinda crews had an Irish ship that had not raised. Hong Kong had not not since last. October delightful riles when he POPs up thirty to one thirty one at sixty sixty thirty thirty. Okay and and you know. It's Tony Crude. I get that but these these are not the type forces that when I out especially running in the class he ran. He's he wasn't one of these sources that came in and started out at you. Know Fifty two rating seventy one rating. So he was in against a decent group and Derek lung was a writer and they got the job. Done it a nice try. The rising was very good. I watched almost all the races yesterday. Morning timing wise. I have to do that and I was begging them all a lot of fun. Happy Valley on as Marcus pointed out last week. And if I put it out with data it's a court detract. It's more of a bull ring than shot. Tennis so crazy things can happen. You can get some big prices. That Happy Valley does horses for courses is train. Of course some trainers do very well there and Saddam was a nice car midway card. Yesterday we go on Sunday. We have eleven races nine thirty post time Pacific Time. Twelve thirty and eastern time Race to six ten all whether perferences or whether track racism taller talk about them and how much he likes focusing on those rates and so he gets tree them on Sunday Sharpton race. Three is the Queen Mother. Memorial Cup aggrieved three but unfortunately it only drew five. They're going a mile and a half on the turf from four of them from John. Warts on some all his arms around mistrals but Not really much of a right to pick some the handicapped so the couple of races. I will give you race. Eight is a class. Three forty a sixty to eighty going by on the quarter. But what's interesting is they. Don't need drew mine. And the ratings of the horses that entered a sixty five to seventy four. So you don't have the wide disparity between the Papa Norway and populate way does only rated at seventy four so I'm GonNa go another tree good omen some Doug White and and Matthew Chadwick Chadwick spent ice cold kind of going out on a limb here but he's going to be my priceless try them employees try box and ray save with the three good omen. Who have some back class? And it's Kinda like chopping down now. He's down one hundred twenty five pounds but I think the distance suits and then us at number six and Zombie whose logical from Doug White also. This one is with the Red Hot Chad. Scofield riding very well and then we'll throw in number one charity. Go from Danny. Shum the highway and number five London Hall. Not much speeding this so. I think you might see some slow fractions run. Everyone looked to kick so. I'm in a box. Three six one five won an American order. One tree five six track. The box and racing on the eight and then race nine is a fourteen hundred meters seven from class. Four forty to sixty. I like number nine party. Genius does oppose trump. But going seven you can get over from post trial and Just three row ran well. First Time I'll show very good speed before weakening. Then he came back from off the pace after getting bumped at the start just this short had as a three to one favorite. I don't think he's GonNa pay much if I've got three to one again. I'd be happy but I think he's just a stick out of the race on the nine. That's number nine party genius but Doug White exact part couple of texts for you for Saturday night early Sunday morning. Excellent a couple of minutes Before we go and got a million things going on we got asked Schulman. We got Darren Rogers yet He's actually Darren was going to us was going to slip him in. But it looks like now I'll have to push him into the last half hour As Churchill deals with All the arrangements that They're making now that they're able to throw the switch and start to get horses Involved some reaction deck obviously at I. I'm guessing you heard Pat McKenna and I'm undoubtedly you heard the governor yesterday. What's your what's your latest tea. Tea Leaf read hasn't changed much I it it didn't come up today but I did not agree with the analysis that we can't run a Belmont for five months number one. You wouldn't be running at five months. You'd be closing on Seminar Turf Classic Jockey Club Gold Cup so you're not going to November You don't need the run six races today and of course they're gonNA destroy your of course if you're GONNA do that. They destroyed a Turco appear with The amount of racing we have on it every every every day five day week so I still think the most viable option is to stay at. Belmont not have to lose at the daddy not APPS and moved to workers and also when you run appear and down there under this New World. You have to have the strictest of security at every opening on your security so this game back people walk in well. Everyone and I'm I had to go get my blood work. Done to swanning. Well I walk in. I guess the the Mamata pointed at my head. I dance a bunch of questions. That has to be done everywhere. And if you're up here and at Belmont you just add up the amount of gates that you're covering twenty four seven to make sure that all the protocols are being followed and things like that so just just me personally. I think there's a chance they will do what they're talking about. Race up here without spectators. I just think it makes more sense to stay Belmont without spectators. I don't see where coming up here without spectators is going to do that. Much for the economy up here especially if the restaurants and bars operating without spectate and just take out stuff like that. So it's still unclear. I thought I thought what the governor said Made Sense. I thought he made sense at Syracuse. Made Sense because the same thing you can. You cannot have a state fair without it. You could have Saratoga without spectators so right that was kind of that was the kind of the nuance with with the two and if it does lead to having some kind of racing very soon. I'm on favorite so I I. I still have my doubts about the ability to come up and conduct racing trade weeks an environment that has very little cove in nineteen problems. Yeah yeah all right I got it. But it's not GonNa be a racist decisional racy choice. It's going to be Public Health decisions. Yeah I I think. That's I think that's true and I think that that's what has been the driving. You know the driving force in all of these You know in all of these areas and and it. It feels like some dominos or are falling. Obviously one was and the other one has not not a regime of COOPERSTOWN has literally cancelled. The Baseball Hall of fame is GonNa hold it. Yeah Bill and saw that one together them twenty one twenty one and that's good Thanksgiving cooperstown so small. You could be one side of the street. I'm on the other side but now I just prayed at the numbers rising. Pray to the number of fishing's resolve themselves. You get on the control and wife back to normal exactly and and and It feels like A pendulum has swing back in in that in that direction It may not be fast enough to suit everybody's interest Or the eagerness but We're we're at least at least we're in the right direction deck. I appreciate it and we will Look forward to the weekend and the action and talk next week. All Right Steve. Thanks Dick Powell everybody. Let's take a break here about fifteen to the top of the hour and we gotta get asking and Shulman. 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Org Back to the races with Steve on Sirius. Xm Lane Club's shaved four. Whoever's down the back the TRAUMAS shaken and we're back at the races ten minutes or so to the top of the hour and it is Thursday of Derby Week and even though we don't have the Derby that is most normally associated on the first Saturday in. May WE DO HAVE TO ARKANSAS. Derbys and Then there's all the other made for TV and made for public consumption fantasy derbies and whatnot but what people look forward to the most certainly listeners. To this show. Steve Hoskin Lenny Shellman on Thursday Derby Week Steve. We welcome you first. And we can't disappoint them can't we. I didn't know Rennie was Was coming on now. I gotta now I gotTa try and be funny. I wasn't prepared so funny. We sprung this on you. I talked to Lennie. Lennie called me after the show on Monday. I think on Monday. Yeah Monday or Tuesday Monday and I said what do you think? There's a good for Thursday As I said you know it's it's it's Thursday. Derby week we got some things can't be you know. Some things can't be cancelled. Well I was gonNA call running later. If for some reason when I call them in the afternoon I have anything I say something funny. I'll I'll text you please. And and what we'll do is I'll I'll a crew them and We'll credit for it absolutely. We would not we would not deny you And just hold on. I got A. I've got an answer. This situation Your bad timing here. Hold on one second Darren. No no Darren Rogers Freed up and let me see if he is restricted to because I may have to slip him in Steve. And actually that'll buy a casey time to. He didn't get then they'll come on later when money comes on you know what. I think I think we. I think we're GONNA need to do that because don't want to I don't want to miss the chance to talk to Darren. So that's what we're GONNA do. It was one of those Let's do that all right. Steve and and in the meantime you would lenny actually give me ten minutes. You and Lenny can can convene and separately and plan the whole shtick sewed. It should be particularly funny. And I'm I'm putting great pro. We Love No. It's much more fun. FREE FOUR. Brompton exactly and so we'll come back to Haskins and Shulman shortly Martinez Martin a Martini and Rossi Lewis fry peak too soon. By the time you come back the way I might be kinda stale so I worry every day you WanNa peak on Derby Day. That'd be gotta wait till September. Listen I can wait all right. Let me let me pause. And we'll Darren Rogers in here. I will come back the Haskins and Schulman and while we wait for Darren and Just letting him know coming to you now and boy my finger. My thumb is. It's it's so flat and it gets about three keys every time I go to type anything. So we'll get we'll get there and I will also as we wait for Aaron Rodgers. I just see that Word is come that are D Hubbard has passed away at the age of eighty four. And they'll be they'll be a widespread Honoring of of Hubbard. And the you know the Quarterhorse Legend and I don't know as much certainly just given his side of the fence not the needed now. You had he that plenty. Good thoroughbreds do. But he's so much More synonymous with the quarterhorse side of things. And Doc allred than who you know. He he partnered with for VAC. And so you WanNa talk a luminary in an equine sport ardy Hubbard and a man who really built made himself into something from nothing literally and we'll fell tomorrow's GONNA BE HARD. We may probably have to save some appreciations of harbored for next For next week But I wanted to pass this along are Kinda eighty-four there. Rogers I think is standing by there in or a little. Are you there? Yeah we are? We are yeah my apologies. I'm a little taken aback by that news just shared. I had the privilege of working with Mr Hubbard when I first started in the game in nineteen ninety four Through early nineteen ninety eight working in the press box at Hollywood park and Always referred to them as the boss and I remember when I got the job at Lone Star Park He showed up For Quarterhorse event a couple years later we bumped into each other and I hear that booming voice lookie here lookie here he was he was a he he. He was a passionate owner. And I hadn't heard that news until hear from you. Well and I you know I I. I'm not surprised that that you you know that. Just out of nowhere. I mean you've got you know the first the first person we talked to After after reading about it is somebody that had dealings had association. I E because he just yeah. It's one of those names that is kind of just kind of Is is out there in the in the consciousness I mean even though I mean personally you know from a from the quarterhorse side. Anyway I mean just you know just Kinda Watch And and my only real experience came at when I get a chance to. But I mean Hardy Hubbard Just a you know. It's kind of in the firmament as it were and my appreciate you giving us an instant reaction to to his passing and they'll be they'll be tributes from all over the industry and and all over equine sport there The you know the news. This morning It was hard not to. I don't want I'm not going to be gleeful. But certainly what we heard yesterday. in a steady parade. California Kentucky. New York I gives us a real roadmap toward getting things up and running the venues and the jurisdictions where we've been you know on pause and Churchill being able to open the back stretch Is certainly the first step toward Racing in the Commonwealth so a tremendous sense of relief. Steve It was the first night I slept. Well in quite a while that was that was weighing on a number of us. We'd worked very hard with The other Kentucky Tracks and also the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission to you know you know. Identify all the protocols You know as it relates to cope with nineteen and you know the tricky thing for us in particular in Kentucky is many of the horsemen and in in in the in the backstretch workers etcetera removal and the surrounding communities here in Kentucky. That's their home for nine months of the year and for about three month period their venturing to the low cows. You know in Florida Louisiana and you know in in Arkansas and so you know getting them back home safely while also you know respecting executive orders. we've worked very very hard to You know take precautions. The procedures that are put in place Set by the public health experts to to to bring their back and I can't think the leadership of governor this year for all the hard work of him and his team and the guidance the state Showed US and they're going to allow us to reopen the barn areas on Monday. Made the eleventh. And we've talked about this but it'll be phased in approach For the for the return of the of the horses You know if we if we said we'd open up on May the eleventh. I think if everybody came at once with these new protocols You'd have a line of a horse vans and trailers down southern parkway extending onto the waterson Freeway so We're going to have a phased in approach from you know the first three days they're going to be fair grabs horses. Then we'll take the horses from Florida over the next three days and then finally the The horses based in in Hot Springs Arkansas. And then we have all the other locales starting on May twentieth. Now keep in mind that this is all fluid. That's a schedule of events as you know. Steve Hargrave our stall manager. And and Ben Hoffman our our vice president or racing they're working very hard and closely with scheduling These returns with the horsemen. If we see that the you know the the the initial testings protocols place are going real smoothly They'll work some of those guys in earlier on some of those earlier dates as well so it. It's it's like a lot of things it's a fluid situation The number one question we have is when you're going to reopen and we're evaluating that right now in fact. I just got off a call. There's a number of factors in play. You know I I do believe we're gonNA open sooner rather than later But we've got to evaluate the incoming horse population. Benson's GONNA write a condition book real quick and you gotTa have horsemen You know targeting some of the horses to those races. But I I could see us. You know reopening sooner rather than later and we'll announce those and come to a final conclusion in the coming days. Sir Darren when it comes to that next step do you have to at this point Go back to Frankfort for Consent or KHRC. What I'll ask the same question that Pat McKenna was asked. What are the mechanics of the next step? No we're green with for horse racing on May the eleventh You know for us we. We're ready to roll. The only the only protocols that's protocols the only thing that I think we have to you know decide. We're committed to racing four days a week Thursday through Sunday. Does it warrant a fifth day? Maybe we could add Wednesdays in Maybe early on shortly after we reopen. Maybe we run a Monday Tuesday and Wednesday right away and take a day off here and there were just trying to understand from a horse population standpoint. How soon we can realistically launch that first day of racing. Then we'll take it a step further. We'll take a look at the other tracks on the counter because it spectator free. We're not bound to any specific post time. I don't believe you will see us With any night racing But we can be flexible with the First Race Post Time. You don't stay off other tracks Also accommodate some of our television partners the You Know Fox. Sports one. America's Day at the races has done a fabulous job with their coverage typically. It's been what late afternoon to early evenings here on the East Coast and the same thing with TV. Jeez simulcasts showing up on NBC. So there's a lot of opportunities and a lot of things to consider their. Where does it best fit? So we'll we'll be discussing those but really no Steve. There's no there's there's no limitations other than pure what justice on our end How how how soon do you think will have the stable area filled with a horse population? If if we said we were up and running on the eleventh you'd have van of you know a horses that would maybe be shipping to run that day yet. The trainer would WANNA BRING US thirty others. That's not going to be ideal right off the bat so we're talking through those but I do think it's going to be sooner rather than later. Excellent and one of the logical extensions of this discussion An estimate or a guess of of what part of the what part of the the purse levels and and so forth that had originally been anticipated the field yet How QUICKLY WILL THERE BE? I suppose is that in the Valey Wick right now. Yeah you know and right away to be perfectly candid We only we heard the actual date of bay. Eleven for the first time at five o'clock last night when the governor announced it I think maybe a select few people. might have been aware of an agreement but nothing was leaked to any of us So I can tell you. We're all working on that then. Hop and his is is working with the VP OF FINANCE. Right now to evaluate You know the purse account where it stands right now We're GONNA decide how many races we run each day. Decide the Once you find and we determine that starting date You know what we have to deal with Same thing with the stake schedule We're going to revise the steak schedule. those are all going to be the next steps you're going to see from. Churchill downs over the over the coming days And as soon as we have believe me I when I say you know we want to start sooner. Rather than later in order to I move that forward we need a condition and a revised steak schedule horsemen need to start targeting races. The good news. They've been in these locales. They fit there. They they're in training And and and so we need to get them up here and then targeting specific races. So that's GonNa be the knapsack and I think know I hate to over commit but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something along those lines. A condition book or vice stakes get draw the next twenty four forty hours at. That's my mind is that's how my mind is is working feverishly working on it You know I sent the news release last night so there are others in the company that assume I made though certain things I did not but then was chomping at the last night wanting to get into this condition. Book so We're we're going to be ready as responsibly. And as fast as we can couple other notes to consider as well and Darren. Can we anticipate or speculate that Derby? Prep with points Might be included in a new schedule. Yeah how about the new Derby trial a new derby trial the derby trial. Let's talk a little bit about the road to the Derby and I know there's been people out there wondering you know. When are you going to release it? Well we all need to get back up and running I And and and and see what's tracks are operation so if you start with the September fifth of race dates And and and you want to consider regional representation. You know we wanNA take care of horses on the East Coast here in the Mid West along the west coast as well Work your way back three four or five weeks off. That date puts you around the first week. August puts you around August the eight. I can envision races around there. Typically there are feeder races to those that are six seven eight races. I could see some races in there I can envision up to ten different Races that are still to be run following the Arkansas Nervy With different sliding scales appoints. That's the thing we're going to have to work on and tweak and we've been in discussions with different racetracks around the country but That's that's how I can envision it so with that said Sure the You know it all depends on win and if we can run the Matt Win in a quick fashion but the Matt Win is is a great example as but I can see that possibly as a return to the prep season race. I don't think that the winner of the Matt Win in the middle of May should be an automatic qualifier for the Kentucky Derby. We don't think that way but I can see that being a ten four to one you know. Get a winner back on the trail or somebody getting something like that. Like you're in the Mid West. You can take a look at some of these races. You know you've got the you know the Indiana Derby keeneland still working away to try and run the Bluegrass at some point during the summer Ellis Park has the Ellis Park Derby. You'll you'll look at the East Coast. You've got you know the travers stakes depending on when that would be run You you also have the you know You know the half school and Jim Dandy and Now West you know I understand it. Sounds as if they may be trying to re schedule the Santa Anita Derby run at some point during their meat. And then you know it del. Mar. I think it would be logical to to take an unconventional type race. But I think it's important for a stepping stone for maybe a race the shared beliefs. So you can just take a look at that package. And oh by the way we still don't know with the preakness or the Belmont stakes will be run officially so we would assigned points to those if they fall within there but that's kind of where the mindset is and it's also why you have not seen you know officially announced road just year Because it's still a fluid in murky picture at this stage very myself and we even heard no. It helps a lot. I you know we because it really. It's a topic that's been sort of tabled for the last. You know for the last two months more or less while other concerns predominated. I think now knowing that you know some things are coming to fruition Including by the way a Santa Anita that looks like They'll be able to get started on the Fifteenth. Which means they're not gonNA have a lot of time. They've only got I think maybe four weekends for four Friday to Sunday to to run but before Los Al opens and del Mar but I assume they'll try to get a Santa Anita Derby in so you know we. We still might have that to look forward to so there this this was all fluid and everybody understood that there. Yep Yep that's good I mean I know there's a number of people reaching out Hoping to Wendy you have it and kind of just told horsemen work your way backwards picking. What do you WANNA run three or four or five weeks out? I think that will be different spots all along. Well Darren Rogers this is this is gratifying and and I think people really pleased that I I you know I. It's funny I read the I read the release a couple of times and it and it. I didn't connect the dots that it meant. That may eleventh meant You can do whatever you wanted including going ahead and running so That's that's wonderful news all fronts and of course Got Listening in. They'll going to join US next. We didn't get a chance for the invocation and normally right about now You We'd be we'd be sitting together and you know in the in the media center and Davis would be giving us is Derby Peck. Well I'd like to wish you first of all half a happy virtual furby today I say the town of Louisville and I hope the same for the the The rest of the horse racing community joins us in our you know recognition and honoring the traditional. First Saturday in May with this Kentucky Derby at home concept that I know a number of the horse players out there are going to be tuned in to You Know Oakland Park. All be Putting together several wagers pick five Along the way but have your you know. Mobile Tablet nearby and and and the Hashtag of Kyiv Derby at home. They're going to be doing some fun. Things virtually I Know Berry Northern from the Kentucky. Derby Museum is going to be doing a live walk through an empty Churchill downs I think they're going to be doing a tour of a of of a local horse farm checking in on a couple of the stallions in the mayor's down there And then there's you know. There's virtual triple crown race has been a fun. Little project to Work INTO THE BROADCAST OF NBC. Gives us away to the You know pick the winner of the race go to Kentucky Derby Dot Com. You'll be entered in a sweepstakes if you have the winning horse for ultimate VIP experience and then NBC's GonNa show it at five forty five and all along the way you know. We're hoping to raise some funds for covert nineteen emergency relief Majority of the efforts and fundraising efforts are going towards team. Kentucky Direct Fund and also the rain fund which is a great organization. That's providing relief to to backstretch workers and I'm so proud that Churchill Bounds Inc has pledged up to a million dollar matching. So if go on there is a horse player. You know I don't care if you do a dollar two dollars five dollars. Whatever it is everything's going to be doubled and please help us out along the way and help us pay homage to the first Saturday in. May and instead we'll have a September to remember Nice Nice. Nice pivot Darren thanks for the update. And as you know as the news and and as things Firm up we'll check back with you here in late spring and into the early summer It seems like You know seems like we really are getting rebooted here In short order so well done and thanks the U. And and everybody else staff and we'll look forward to that condition book hidden hitting Equa base and I'm sure owners horsemen can't wait to get started and Certainly players not that we'RE TIRED OF OF OF TAMPA GULFSTREAM LOCAL. On will rogers downs. But it'll it'll be nice to have churchill back on the menu say the Nita then. Belmont and horse racing setting an example really for you know for entertainment and Sports Industries Everywhere Well Don thanks thank you. So much. Steve Darren Rogers Everybody Derby media on your twitter machine and we might as well stay here because I have no reason to step away when I know that We got Steve asking and Lenny showman standing by and this is this has been a bit of a a vine divine morning we really from Pat McKenna to Semantic capping with Nick. Tamra Dick Powell out in Hong Kong and now The in Rogers providing the update and a welcome back Steve asking and say Good Morning. So Lenny Shonen who's he?

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Part Three: L. Ron Hubbard's High Sea Adventures With His Private Cult Navy

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Part Three: L. Ron Hubbard's High Sea Adventures With His Private Cult Navy

"Attention vans of stranger things everybody. It's Chuck Bryant for movie crush, and I wanted to alert you to a couple of very special episodes stranger things specials, part one and two. Here's a little sample. What about the duffers give you a lot of leeway in finding your character where they had pretty specific things in mind. I think I got one note the entire season. So check it out stranger things fans on the apple podcast app. Hello friends. I'm Robert Evans in this is once again behind the best to show, where we tell you everything you don't know about the very worst people in all this theory. We are to ours in change into talking about L, Ron motherfucking Hubbard us listen to part one. If you haven't already don't drop into part three legal weirdo. Although these are kind of self contained stories in part one. We talked about Hubbard's childhood his incessant decades of lying that time he accidentally bombed meddle in the ocean. One hundred times, and then the birth of Dianetics episode to we talked about how Dianetics became a fad and then transitioned into Scientology, which eventually became a religion. We'll start about time Hubbard kidnapped his baby. And now in part three. We're going to talk about L Ron Hubbard's adventures with his own navy. In nineteen sixty seven Lafayette, Ron Hubbard a fifty six year old grandfather and father of seven whose only prior naval experience involved bombing an iron ore deposit. Bought a small flotilla of ships declared himself Commodore designed uniforms launched an eight-year seaborn odyssey. Yeah. He and his sailors were hunted by the French government British journalists, the FBI in God knows how many other state national intelligence agencies. The story. I'm about to tell is one of those reasons I can't quite hate L Ron Hubbard he was a monster. But he always went the extra mile like he he always did the thing that made him a super villain. And in this case it was buying his own navy. The world is so full of so many people like Steven Seagal who just talked about who like have their own vanity bands, like a rich personal pay artists to hang out with them. So that they can pretend to be good. That was not L Ron Hubbard's way. He bought a navy? Yeah. Eric prince is the only other guy I know who bought a navy. So good on both of them is what I'm saying. Yeah. He's like doing the extra credit being a piece of shit. Yeah. He is a piece of shit who does like the homework for an extra ten points on the mid-term bell Ron Hubbard so in September nineteen sixty six Hubbard resigned as president of the church of Scientology, those just for show. He continued to direct his religion and secret, even as he bought a forty tonnes shooter named the chanter the Hubbard exploration company. He bought two more boats four hundred and fourteen tonnes sea trawler in three thousand two hundred eighty ton cattle freighter Hubbard paid for a few professional cement to operate his navy. But the bulk of its sailors were Scientologists with no practical seafaring experience. Just the type of person you want to have on your boat. Well, I think most experts will agree that amateurs are the best people to manage three thousand two hundred and eighty ton boats, which is why our navy is run internally by amateurs. That's right. Yeah. It's a great idea. One of these volunteer sailors was Virginia downs borough. A New York auditor whose main qualification was a pretty good understanding of knots, and the fact that she had owned a small sailboat as a child Hubbard put her in charge of refitting the chanter which again was a forty tonnes shooter. Somehow bit by bit. The navy got patched up and underway mainly because they had unlimited money to do all this with. So that does help you can be incompetent. If you've got tens of millions of dollars. If you ever super-rich, you can do whatever you want as we find out as me find out so Virginia got the chanter patched up and sailed the boat down to Las Palmas in the Canary Islands. Were Hubbard was waiting for her in a hotel room? He'd had a complete nervous collapse. No, Ron Hubbard nervous the guy who kidnapped his own child, quote when I went into his room. There were drugs of all kinds everywhere. He seemed to be taking about sixty thousand different pills. I was appalled. Particularly after listening to all his tirades against drugs in the medical profession. There was something very wrong with him. But I didn't know what it was except that he was in a state of deep depression. He told me he didn't have any more gains and wanted to die. That's what he said. I want to die. Yeah. His on. But maybe he read Excalibur. Hubbard may have been collapsing because all of these different national governments were investigating Scientology. But it's probably just an act because as soon as Virginia arrived, he beat a hasty recovery. Which makes me think he just put on that whole thing is in the nounce the development of a research accomplishment of immense magnitude, his new brain may be was the material that would become the OT three material of the Scientology curriculum. This is what everyone knows from south park and stuff the story about Zanu in the volcanoes. This is when he came up with that. And he claimed the power of these revelations has caused him horrific injuries. He said he'd broken his back, knee and arm writing it. Which is why he needed to be all fucked up when she saw him right writing? Here's a contact sport. So we all break a bone or to. All right. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bad ass writing typing for hours Virginia saw no evidence that he'd been injured at all. Obviously. In fact is the boat got underway. She came to see a new side of her guru run used to like to sit up and talk half the night long after Mary sue had gone to bed. He had this intensity to communicate. And it was fascinating to listen to him. I was intrigued by the concept. He presented himself as being a constant victim of women. He talked a lot about Sara Northrup and seemed to want to make sure I knew that he had never married her. I didn't know why it was so important to him. I I'd never met Sarah, and I couldn't have cared less. But he wanted to persuade me that the marriage had never taken place when he talked about his first wife the picture he put out of himself was of this poor wounded fellow coming home from the war and being abandoned by his wife and family because it would be a drain on them. He said he had planned every move along the way with Mary sue to avoid being victimized again. Ron Hubbard victim of women. Wow. I mean, and therefore a feminist icon. Oh, absolutely. I think he'd be the first to tell you that. Oh, yeah. I think he'd be the first to tell you that he invented feminism. He was sailing to Central America. Child. Yeah. As in chanter sailed away from us pomace Hubbard drew maps and made the crew stop at random islands to search for gold that he said he had buried in past lives ever took the chanter out on extended cruises around the Canary Islands to search for this gold, quote, he told us he was hoping to replace the enchanted balanced with solid gold. I thought it was great fun the best show on earth because he already has so much money. He doesn't he doesn't. He just wants to play his boat in cold in the goal that he buried as their lives. Yeah. The von river was refitted next and sailed out of port by a professional skipper named John. Jones Jones was the only actual semen on the boat quote. My crew were sixteen men and four women Scientologists who wouldn't know a trawler from tramcar. I dunno a trawler firm tramcar either. No. But the important thing about this is that he's leading limit on his boats. Now is he is feminist icon around Hubbard I was instructed not to use any electrical equipment apart from lights radio and direction finder. We had radar and other advanced. Which I was not allowed to use. I was told it was all in the org book, which was to be obeyed without question, so using Scientology naval tech the boat. Rammed the dock as it was leaving in the media. We got lost. The only reason they found their way eventually is that captain Jones had a Sexton and a watch. Which was the only thing that stopped them from getting lost in the ocean. A true semen? Yeah. A true semen? It's frustrating because you read the stories of these seamen, and they're all very talk about how crazy this is. But they're also all really misogynist. So like there will be like an handle these guys that did know anything. And it's like, okay. Yeah. That's totally reasonable to be frustrated accrue. That's never sailed be like and three of them are women. That's not really the thing. That is shocking to me about this. Hubbard developed a new condition scale for his growing flotillas disciplined. You remember he had his conditions. If you. Way of telling you, you you done something bad to be penalized. Right penalize sailors would be ranked on a scale from a condition of emergency, which was a minor infraction to condition of liability which resulted in the scientologist losing pay and being locked in their bunk. All liabilities were also required aware that dirty grey cloth rag on their arm. Okay. Okay. The next serious condition was treason where the Effendi lost his right to wear a sea org. Uniform next came doubt, which essentially forced all other Scientologists Shanyou. And then finally enemy, according to L Ron Hubbard anyone who was an enemy of Scientology, maybe deprived of property or injured by any means by any scientologist that Anita -cipline of the scientologist may be tricked sued or lied to or destroyed. So the scale of severity here starts with emergency starts with emergency. Which is not that bad now, pretty minor to liability which a little worse. And then what's the third one doubt doubt? Which is where you get shun. And then in enemy, you're kicked off the boat and people can kill you. Okay. So that makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. No doubt is is really high up there, but emergency well is a minor infraction. I think that's why we call it the emergency room. And it's where you go. When things that aren't very bad happen to you. Right. But doubt room the doubt room fucked up. You don't wanna go to the doubt roof dying also shout out to the movie doubt? But anyway. The movie based on. Certain cabs. The fleet gradually assembled and the three ships were quickly joined by dozens of volunteers from other training centers in Scientology's, vast domain, these young people had joined the newly formed see org and signed billion year contracts to serve L Ron Hubbard many of them were couples some even had children. So L Ron Hubbard's navy had a daycare essentially billion year. Yeah. That's nothing. You focus on. Yeah. Yeah. There's again, there's a lot unpack with everything that said if you join the sea org, you're so dedicated that you're not just going to serve Scientology and L Ron Hubbard who there for his L R H a lot of the time. You're just going to serve him in this life when you're reincarnated you're still under contract. Yes. Yeah. Okay. And then the date was a daycare thing. Well, there's a daycare on the boat because a lot of these people had kids. Okay. So there's a daycare on the boat and L Ron Howard's navy responsive seems responsible the children watched each other. And we're. And we're locked in a saloon. So on his boat around Hubbard locked babies in a bar. Said responsible. Yeah. Now, there was a note on the door of L Ron Hubbard's trout saloon stated. Okay. I'm ready. You are are you? It stated a tutor will be provided for the children who will be assigned regular hours of work in play. Anyone who deprives the child of his Earl her work or play will be assigned to a condition of nonexistence? And that's the worst one or that the that's the least worst. It's just another penalty condition that were a shitload of conditions. So if you stop a kid from playing or working it goes, nonexistent emergency. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. We're all of these lie non-existence. Yeah. Was another penalty condition. Scientologists condemned to nonexistence had to wear old clothes stop bathing wearing makeup or styling their hair men weren't allowed to shave lunch was banned. Most of Ron Hubbard's work is Commodore in this period was dreaming up ever more brutal punishments for Scientologists made mistakes. So yeah, what a forgiving man forgiving man with so many ways to punish you. Then he needs categories. On one occasion, recruit watching the gangplank failed to spot that the ships rubbing strike, which is about thing. I guess head caught onto the edge of the dock. It broke in a bunch of real sailors who are watching laughed at L Ron Hubbard and his giant silly ship filled with cultists sailors in retribution Hubbard assembled the crew and inform them that all of their themes had sailing experience in their other lives the truth of the matter. He said is that you have all been around a long time, stop pretending that you don't know what this is all about because you do know what this is all about. So this is why you had to be so harsh on them when they fucked up they had had whole other lives of sailors. Yeah. They knew how to do this shit. Dare them. Exactly. They didn't know. I don't care if you're an education major now three hundred years ago, you were sailing the highest see so get your shit together. I'm not gonna appear into the logic of that too much. I will say if your experience sailing ship was four hundred years ago, you'd probably still need a refresher probably FOX him stuff. Yeah. Refresher course. Yeah. I go week without doing something. Like, it's a mess. You know, you you in Europe for two weeks, and you don't drive a car for a while. And you come back and you're just a danger to yourself. Expecting us people to pick this shit, right back up unreasonable unreasonable way to deal with past lives. Anyway, Hubbard did hire more than one professional sailor to help crew the thirty two hundred ton both though became the flagship of his fleet. He hired three. Okay. That's seems like enough. One of them Stanley church was the ship's carpenter. He was placed in a condition of doubt for defying an order, encouraging desertion, tolerating muteness meetings and attempting to suborn the chief engineer he was soon sacked and he went to a British newspaper to tell his story, and he was on a scientologist. He's getting money. It was like I got to hire some people who know how to. So a British magazine called people not the people just another magazine. Co people published this article under the title a hallway there? It's the craziest crews on earth the article is not well written very frustratingly badly written. But I found though that title. I have found a copy of the text on a anti-scientology website that just put a copy this article up there. It contains some interesting quotes from Mr. church, which I'm going to read these. Yeah. Certainly the captain of the vessel was none other than Mr. L Ron Hubbard himself a wartime officer in the United States navy. According to Mr. church, he called himself Commodore and had four different types of peaked. Cap church traveled with the Scotman which was the name of the boat. It had been the Scotsman. But then they reregistered the British wouldn't let them sail the Royal Scotsman because it didn't meet didn't pass inspection. They registered it in Sierra Leone. But when they registered they fucked up the name and wrote Scotman, so then it was the Royal Scotsman. Wonderful. So you're traveled with the Scotland to Monaco, so Denia and eventually Valencia Spain church, you didn't know much about why they were sailing around. And I was just in it for the paycheck. But it soon became obvious to him that something was wrong with this coat boat. I began to suspect things we're a bit odd the minute, I met this captain he told me he thought I was a reporter. And at first refused to have anything to do with me only when he checked my Siemens logbook. Did he take me on everyday? They went below for lectures. But we seem in were never admitted it was also blooming mysterious. I tried to find out more I offered to give them seamanship lectures, and they were so pleased at these to give me a free beginners course in Scientology. I was given a test on their e meter sort of light detector a woman officer asked me a lot of personal questions including details of my sex life. I could never make header tale of their instructions, but I played along because it made life easier. So that's nice way. Did he say bloom in? He's really British or Australian one of the ones that said women. Okay, good. He was some kind of cute foreigner is adorable church. Your noted that the Scotman mostly seemed to act as a floating in college for young Scientology students. He was surprised at how young people are quote some paired off in romances. But the oldest student was a woman of seventy five who told me she was convinced that Mr. Hubbard would fix her up with a new body when she died. That's nice gradually the young scientologist. Learn how to be half, decent, sailors. Although there were numerous near misses harbor scrapes and destroyed engines as a result of their incompetence again, they had infinite money. So right. That really makes it a lot easier to have an untrained crew sale of fleet of vessels around the world. Only the Titanic was well, there's a good point just had Scientologists aboard on, you know, future. Scientologists people in there, you know, pass life that horrible fate wouldn't have happened. And that's also another part of alert Hubbard's logic. Because if he's expecting these people be good at boats because they're past loves, we're good. What if their past lives ran the Titanic? You don't know how much are you vetting their past lives? He's not doing it enough. That's for sure. Fucking corpse resumes. Something how do you do this? Okay. Hubbard spent all of his time on the boats in a stately cabin mostly writing new source material for his religion and growing, slowly more and more insane. Mary Merrin, a scientologist who end up joining the sea org recalled these pretty good times for the most part. He used to stay up at night on the deck and talk to us into the wee hours about his whole track. Adventures how he was a race car driver in the Marquette civilization the Marquette civilization existed millions of years ago in another planet. It was similar to planet earth in the fifties only they had space travel. Marquette turned out later not to be good guys. So it wasn't a compliment their civilization with similar to ours. L R eight said he was a race car. Driver called the green dragon who set a speed record before he was killed in an accident. He came back in another lifetime is the Red Devil and beat his own record. Then came back and did it again as the blue streak. Finally, he realized all he was doing was breaking his own records, and it was no game anymore. Good. Okay. She goes on people would stand around listening to these stories for hours, very overawed at the time. It seemed like a privilege and honor to share these things to hear him talking about things that went on millions of years ago. Like it was yesterday. He was usually entertaining. But I sometimes found it very stressful to take it all in this powerful booming outflow, and it was hard to get away one night. I was getting dizzy and dared ask if I could leave early I could hear my voice echoing in the cosmos, as I said, if you'll excuse me, I have to go to bed, sir. He said, okay. Sure. Oh, so he was a nice guy. Well that time. Yeah. He had a boat full of young people that he could lie to in these leafed it they've to the God in a boat and sailed around the world. They're trapped trapped in a boat with a madman till you about his past life as an alien race car driver. Okay. I'm just curious about like, the psychology of people who are so impressionable that they buy all that they buy and eat it up because we live in LA, you're gonna find people within a block of us who believe raw unfiltered water is the healthiest thing that drink. Right. People believe crazy shed. Yeah. And then they're trapped on a boat. It's really great situation to be a co leader. The more. I read about Hubbard's years at sea. The more certain I became that. This was all just him going through the millionaire profit version of midlife crisis. Because that really seemed to be what he was doing after he assembled the entire fleet and get all the ships refitted L Ron Hubbard asked for thirty five volunteers, and then took them on the Avon river his smallest boat and sailed through the Mediterranean to find gold that he'd buried in past lives. He does this allies loves doing this. It was doing it. When he was a kid. He didn't say it was his in the past. He claimed to the crew that he'd been preparing all of his past lives to save the world with revelations. But this incarnation was the first time that he'd gotten enough money and power to really have a chance of doing it. So knows going to collect all of the gold that has passed self at buried in order to fund the next stage of Scientology, he said he'd been the commander of a war fleet two thousand years ago and had buried treasure under a temple nearby. There was the first treasure seeking mission that he sent his boat on and we're gonna get into what happened in his third and final treasure journey. But I. The treasures of ads. Hi, I'm Robert Evans from behind the bastards. And if you're anything like me, you're scared of people seeing what you do on the internet because you look at a lot of crazy stuff. 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Okay, people are loyal and weird. Kind of dumb story of the less hour-long we've been people. So they didn't find anything anywhere, obviously, they went to a bunch of different locations sailing around. We'll Hubbard would tell them lurid stories of his past lives, and they would occasionally dig on random islands never found anything. I will say he's a well travelled guy. He's been around a lot now around. He's been around saw the world. For share? And so the mission of the sea thing is just to find treasure. It seems there's no mission. This is just a thing. They're doing okay. They were out there for eight years. And there was no objective. This amazing. It's pretty incredible. This oak came to a head when they sell to Corsica. We're Hubbard said a secret space station had been secretly crashed. There by him thousands of years ago. The station was parked in a cavern filled with pristine spaceships and equipment for their next operation. I get the feeling he was telling them that they were going to take over the world with the bishops and stuff they got near to wear Hubbard claimed his secret space fleet was waiting. But then they got an urgent radio message from his wife telling him to come back to the rest of the fleet. If Valencia so Hubbard and his crew into their treasure surging without any actual treasure. I kind of suspect he ordered her to right. Don't you hate it? When you're on the verge of finding your like space station in a cave on tales all time area. And then your wife calls. She's a get back. Here we need Jan. Well, that's why my self help book is called find your own hidden space station and don't let your wife call. You. Stop it. You're so good at title titles are really important. That's what sells a book. That's right and the name Remington Winchester Colt Remington Winchester, Colt, Ruger, I can't use the same suit. You gotta add a gun on. You. Gotta get throw one other gun onto their of course, Ruger McLaughlin, wits. So Hubbard had left his wife in charge of the Royal Scotsman. She had done before he left something inscrutable to displease him. And so he put her in the whole ship in the penalty condition. There was even a filthy grey rag tied to the boats funnel, all even the boat. God the votes in trouble votes shaving. When Hubbard caught up he was curious to find the boat anchored at night. He shouted his wife ships through a Bullhorn. Well, well, here's a ship in liability that thinks it can anchor for the night taking it easy in might be better training to keep your ship moving at night or you scared to keep going in the dark, so he's like basically yelling at the boat. He's. Votes. I think you're going to drive to you. At this point the crew of the Scotsman were filthy, exhausted and starving. None of them have been able to wash for weeks. It was several more weeks before Hubbard would grant them a reassessment of their status. He eventually upgraded the boat's crew to non-existence and agreed to do a full inspection to see if they deserved a better condition when he checked over the whole ship. It had been freshly painted and polished and Hubbard was apparently pleased enough that he moved on board made the ship is flagship and lifted the cruise sentence. So that's nice. You can forget Hubbard used less collective punishment after this point, but also more strict individual punishments, according to bare faced messiah depending on his whim offenders were either can find in the dark and the chain locker and given food in a bucket or assigned chip paint on the bilge tanks for twenty four or forty eight hours without break. A third variation presented itself. When auto roofs, a young Dutchman dropped one of the bow lines while the row Scotland was being moved along the DOK purple with rage Hubbard ordered routes to be thrown overboard. No one questioned the Commodores orders to crew members promptly grabbed the Dutchman in through. Him over the side. There was an enormous splash. When he hit the water a moment of horror when it seemed that he had disappeared nervous speculation that he might have the rubbing strike as he fell rubbing striking. It's part of a boat. Fortunately, Reuss knew how to swim and he was able to get back on board. But after that tossing people overboard Bikila Hubbard's favourite punishment. They were all Olympic swimmers in their pass live. They'll learn how to swim. Well, I'll tell you that much everyone just sort of went with it and people were throwing their friends and spouses over boards at the women of the Commodore a little weird once the org member recalled it was not really possible to question. What was going on? Because you're never sure who you could trust to question. Anything Hubbard did or said was an offense. And you never knew if it would be reported most of the crew were afraid that if the expressed any disagreement with what was going on there would be kicked out of Scientology that was something absolutely tenable to most people something you never wanted to consider that was much more. Terrifying than anything that might happen. You in the sea org. We try not to think too hard about his behavior. It was not rational much of the time. But even. Consider such a thing was discreditable thought. And you couldn't allow yourself to have it as creditable thought one of the questions and the sec check was have you ever had any unkind thoughts about L R H, and you could get into very serious trouble. If you had so you tried not to these as we're all doing auditing regularly. They were hooked up the news, which they thought dealt they're relying. So people got nervous that if they even thought badly about Ron Hubbard it would show up and they'd get in trouble. I love a good mind control. You know, that's really police religion the best. He built a pretty good thought police religion. Like again, he's really good at the things he does other than writing science fiction. I back in the day when I had to do like bringer shows as a stand up. I couldn't get like three people to come to my shows. And this guy gets what thousands. It's hard to say the exact numbers. But. He's good. He's damn good. Eventually the fleet wound up at Corfu a beautiful Greek island L Ron Hubbard felt he'd finally found a government willing to put up with him because Greece had just had a coup a military dictatorship taken over he praised Greek democracy, which is ironic when it's just been overthrown by military. He also renamed his boats and honor of Greek mythology, the Royal Scotsman became the Apollo the von river became the Athena. The enchanted became Diana around this time, the British government decided to borrow L Ron Hubbard from entry into the United Kingdom on the same day. This was announced a BBC film crew had managed to track the co leader in his private navy down in Corfu there. Accorded an interview with L Ron Hubbard. It's fascinating in the first part of the interview he claims that all of his crew are trained in judo to defend from pirates. And then my favorite part is at one point in the interview, the interviewer asked him to just explain Scientology just to give very basic explanation of it and Hubbard fucking can't 'cause nuts. We're gonna play that right now. So you get to see L Ron Hubbard as the common. Very difficult time. Name. Which means knowing. The word allergy. Which is studying factory study of knowing that is what the word itself me. The. To me. This journalists. Increases one's knowing. We're totally aware. What was going on around? Find it relatively simple to handle any. In that even off the three of talking. We never got an explanation from him. But we could understand. I love the journals. Yeah. It's a really fun interview. It'll be up on our side recommend giving it a listen. Well in Greece. These the working day started at six AM and ended at eleven PM after a ninety minute nightly speech by L Ron Hubbard. Yeah. You really gotta like listening to that guy. Once York member called, we were always terrified of falling asleep. L R H would be carried away dramatizing different topics and we'd be pinching each other to stay awake. We were terrorized. It was continuous stress and duress the course had not been going long before Hubbard decided that too many mistakes are being made during auditing, and he announced that in the future. Those responsible for errors would be thrown overboard. Everyone laughed at Ron's joke. The next morning at the regular muster on the F. Well, deck two names were called out as the students step forward sewer. Officers grabbed them by their arms and legs and threw them over the side of the ship while the rest of the group looked on in amazement and Har so also all of the residents of this Greek island or watching as everyday people just get thrown off the side of the votes, and this becomes this. Like what the fuck are they doing if you've ever spent time at a little Greek island? Everyone is a sailor on those little everybody knows that everyone has a boat. No one had ever seen shit like this. Because it's the kind of thing you don't do in less. You're a lunatic. Boy, many of L Ron Hubbard's young students thought this was terrible. But none of them did anything about it. Ana altering ham, another CR member recalled I thought it was terrible inhumane barbaric, some of the people on. The course were middle aged women Julius salmon the continental head of the L A orc was fifty five years old and in poor health. And she was thrown overboard. She hit the water sobbing and screaming alert H enjoyed it. Without a doubt. Sometimes I heard him making jokes about it. Those are the moments when I came closest to asking myself what I was doing there. But I always justified it by telling myself that he must know what he was doing. And that it was offered the greater good. People are amazing. Yeah. They've the the justifications that they have to do to to watch. Oh, man to watch a man throw an elderly sick woman off the edge of a fucking cruiseliner, essentially and cackle abandoned tackle your being horribly mistreated may to work for like nineteen hours a day or something crazy like that. And then. Yeah. Oh, man. Well in fairness to HANA her passport, and everyone else's passport was kept in the safe bio Ron Hubbard. Even really leave. No, no, their passports in the safe. Yeah. Hubbard tribe to bribe Greece in much the same way he tried to bribe Rhodesia promising to build many new schools for his students on Corfu and turn the island into a mecca of Scientology. But the Greeks didn't really want that to happen. So eventually, they kicked him out of their country for three years L, Ron Hubbard's fleet sailed around the Atlantic Ocean with no particular destination or goal they never stayed anywhere longer than six weeks. Okay. One crew member recalled Ella rate said we had to keep moving because there were so many people after him if they caught up with him. They would cost so much trouble that he would be unable to continue his work Scientology would not get into the world. And they would be social and economic chaos if not a nuclear holocaust, right? I forgot this component of that. He was yes. On international waters to escape all of like, pal. The fact that multiple governments were now after I forgot about that part. And now, this is starting to make more sense. Yeah. Even so he explicitly took to the high seas because there's no law there, which is why you go to the high seas. Yeah. Every time I'm on the high seas. It's because I'm you know, fleeing the law in nineteen sixty nine the Apollo sailed into Casablanca in the US console asked politely. What the fuck they were doing because a lot of US citizens were on this boat and Edmund for years now he was concerned by the impossibility of getting a clear answer from anyone about what was happening on these boats by this point, the ships were all registered in Panama, and they were claim to be part of like corporate venture. But like everyone knew something was Buchan weird was going on. So the US console asked the Panamanian console trend figure out what was happening or the Panamanian consul found the vessel badly damaged because he got to inspect it and believe everyone on board was in grave danger. He couldn't actually get in touch with Ron Hubbard because the Commodore was locked up in a luxury hotel and would not take phone calls. Yeah. Yeah. Well, why not well he sailed around the Atlantic around Hubbard had plenty of time to your finest theories about the international communist conspiracy. He now believed was trying to destroy him and his important work. He based his plan off of something called the ten Jaka memorial. Have you ever heard of the protocols of the elders Zion? No, a lot of anti semitic conspiracy theories trace back to it was created by Russians essentially, czarist, Russian secret service operatives created this fake list, supposedly a plan of Jewish people conspiring to take over the world, the ten Jaka memorial was that. But for Japanese people, it was a fake Japanese plan for world domination that I think was created in the nineteen thirties Hubbard became convinced that this document held all of the information about the secret international communist conspiracy to destroy him for reasons that are unclear to me. I do not understand how he made these logical leaps I have not ready satisfying explanation as just because he's such a reasonable guy. And so logically consistent. Yeah. Anyway, Hubbard told his followers that the dastardly members of the World Federation of mental health where encodes the Houston British spy agencies in a crusade to destroy him. I love him. He's great. He's he's charming all psychiatrists here gets it. Because he's the only one that knows how not to be crazy. Yup. Get on his boat. Over his years at sea Hubbard did change his mind about the Tanaka memorial conspiracy in it more from an international communist conspiracy to an international Nazi conspiracy. Sometimes his ex wife was at the center of the Nazi conspiracy. Sometimes he said, she was a Nazi now is this the ex wife whose daughter he kidnapped. Yes. Or is this the one that no police the lucky ex wife, she really lucked out by him just to ban any family turns out. He's a great guy to just have abandoned you quietly. Yes. If you're going to be abandoned quietly by the father of your children, make sure it's El Robert, I guess there may not be a message there there may be no less than any of this. Commodore Hubbard continued to run his Scientology empire while he was at sea. He received forty to fifty telex messages every day from various Scientology facilities. He got weekly reports about the religions income he told his CR each of whom earned ten dollars a week that his income was even less than theirs, but he was actually receiving about fifteen thousand dollars a week in church funds as well as an undisclosed amount of money from various show corporations and Bank accounts, and Switzerland and Liechtenstein his estimated net worth death was around six hundred million to give you some idea of how much money he bilked out of this faith in each of the members on these ships. Whereas earning what did you say ten dollars a week a week? Oh, well, it's not slavery. Then right. Does not slavery. If they're making ten dollars a week that. Yeah there. Okay. He's better wages than the US prison system. Does it? No. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's not bad. I mean, no, it's it's all that. Everything's bad. Welcome to this podcast. Hubbard and his wife each had a state room in a suite on the promenade deck of their big cruiser. There were several separate offices and rooms that will only for the family, the family had a special chef and their own food separate from the rest of the crew who lived in dorms that are generally described as smelly and cockroach filled. Those who weren't lucky enough to have a private room slept in giant communal dorms of fifty to one hundred people, wait. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. One hundred people in one yet room big old room. Okay. Sometimes not allow debate because they'd all done something bad. So one hundred people not able to eighth working on a boat in the heat of the day for weeks at a time because they're in doubt, or whatever. Because there in doubt, the non-existence whatever the fuck condition. Sounds gross says like a gross. Horrifying now. In all fairness, you can find recollections of this time from people who were there and say it was very happy period. There's a lot of negative. They're awesome. People who loved it. I found one such account on the site called Scientology pedia, which appears to be a an independent, but scientologist run Wikipedia page a good source of reliable. I don't know about like, it's certainly not unbiased. But I also think it would be impossible for all these people who have stayed if they weren't enjoying parts of it. And everyone says there were parts of it that we're fun. And there must have been something blue light this people with better jobs. Sure. Because the guy that I found in Robert Wexler was like Hubbard's personal chef for a while. And essentially, I was one of the things he did. But he had a private room on the same deck that Hubbard had. So it seemed like it was a nice time for him. So he was living with ninety nine other people in the same. No stink belts. All right. He says there are a lot of really good parties. Which may be there were he claims Hubbard's cabin was small in an air conditioned and Hubbard was a small old man sacrificing his comfort for the goodness of his faith. I have to tell you. I feel a sense of sadness and humility when I think of looking at the small barren steel walled cabin when he could have very easily been living in luxuriance villa surrounded by servants. This was not at all L H is priority that he spent any of his later years in nicer Palm Springs type residences would surely be expected for even a moderately successful person in California. So he also stated that he was you know, Hubbard's personal chef, and he noted that Hubbard was not at all demand meant he was modest and humble, but he also says he could be somewhat eccentric appearing as for example. The only dish detergents allowed must not have any aroma or any strong center perfume if his dishes or close we're watched in such the odor became offensive to his keen sense of smell. In addition. You better not cut up his food with a knife used to cut an onion because L H would immediately let you know. Okay. So it sounds like he really was kind of. Oh, he was in a past life a Basset hound? Yeah. Because it smells. I guess I mean, he clearly didn't have trouble making everyone else be really, gross and smelly. I I can't really parse together. What was going on is that we'll we'll get back to actually when we get back when you're talking about the Commodore's messenger organization, which was the preteen girls who oh, I can't wait. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He did with that. You know, what less horrifying than you're gonna think way weirder though? Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Okay. But not in a sex way. Yeah. Real whiplash moment. Caitlyn I'm gonna let you do our ad pivot because Pitt all right? Hey, folks, check out this ad, and then and then we'll be back in a moment. Thousand four in a tiny town. A young woman named Rebecca Gould was brutally murdered. Nearly fifteen years later killer is still on the loose. Suspects work everywhere. So we have already talked to the killer. It's just really surreal walking around. I left Arkansas became an investigator. Now, I'm coming back with my team to finally get Justice for beca. I'm Katherine towns. This is Helen gone. Now available on podcasts. We're back broke for ads. But in reality we went to a boat sailed around the world around found gold lost it real world wind. But now we're back starting in nineteen seventy L Ron Hubbard established the Commodore's messenger organization. The messengers were the most faithful in dedicated Scientologists. They basically moved around the ship acting as the Commodores voice, according to bare faced messiah the messengers mainly Bessant girls soon recognized and enjoyed their power is teenage clones of the Commodore in their cute little dark blue uniforms, Goldline yards. They were trained to deliver Hubbard's orders. Using his exact words and tone of voice if he was in temper and bellowing abuse the messenger would scuffle off in the same abuse at the offender, no one dared take issue with whatever messenger said no one dared disobey her orders vested with the thorny of the Commodore. They came to be widely feared little monsters. Yeah. So what's the singing grams like when you like on Valentine's Day, they're like, here's a nice song? We sing chocolates. Telegram singing that? Yeah. I forget what they're called. Maybe I'm making this up. Maybe I'm L Ron Hubbard, and I'm just inventing stuff covered. But so it's like that. But pre teen girls who are just like screaming in imitating Elleray. Yeah. We've hollowed him that now like a scientologist. It's just it's so hard to say I'll Ron Hubbard over over. Also every time I hear L, Ron, I think L Ron. The council of L, Ron and. Yeah. Very different characters very different characters. L Ron create all those elves riven Dell where that we see or? There was lost in the woods. Woods woods. Zork? Only had been a woods work. So messengers worked in six hour shifts and Hubbard with surrounded by them every hour of every day. They kept minute to minute logs of his life from this point on when he was asleep. They sat outside his state room when he smoked cigarettes. They caught his ashes they also took. We have a lot of data on on as a result of these people. As that, quote, noted many of these messengers, maybe most of them were teenage girls Doreen Smith was twelve when she joined the Apollo she'd been born into the faith and Doreen pretty quickly became a messenger. She and other messengers interviewed we're insistent that while male members of the crew did repeatedly tried to have sex with them L. Ron Hubbard never did. Oh, yeah. When I heard that he had a bunch of preteen girls doing every bidding on his boat in international waters. I was like, oh, he's just molesting kids. I can't find any evidence of that. Okay. It's weird. Like you would. You would incur. But then also. Yeah. But every other man. Of course, creepy shit went on. I guess he was not the kind of creepy expect. Okay. Again, one of the reasons why you get a little bit more into the sky because he's not molesting children, which is reason to really respect the hell out of him. It's not even doing the minimum. It's like doing below the minimum, right? Well, he wasn't a child molester kidnapped a baby once. With any preteens Keith rainier of Nexium both molested allegedly a twelve year old and kidnapped a couple of babies, so he's let that be a lesson to the creepy leaders listening in if you wanna create a Colt, you can be a monster. Just don't molest. That's not a good message. Stop trying to find messages in this story. Speaking of messages, let's talk about the messenger, some more. So Doreen later said an interview I once asked him why he chose young girls as messengers. He said it was an idea he had picked up from Nazi Germany. Okay. He said Hitler was a madman. But nevertheless, genius in his own. Right. And that's one of the smartest ideas he ever had with young people you had a blank slate. And you could write anything you wanted on it, and it would be your writing that was his idea to take young people in mold them into little Hubbard's. He said he had girls because women were more loyal than men. Maybe loyal women be loyal when I think of loyalty, I think a teenage girl. Yeah. The most. Time secrets behind anyone's backs or anything like almost as loyalist teenage boy. Well, you wouldn't want teenage boys to your messengers another messenger. Girl named Tanya insisted. He never tried anything with me as far as they know. He never did with any of the other girls. He didn't sleep with Mary. Sue, we thought perhaps he was impotent. I think he got us. Thrills just by having us around. So maybe there was something gross going on. And he just couldn't get it up anymore. He would've ballistic kids Mary sue his third his wife. Yes there. All right. So it's possible. That's another theory that he totally would have molested these kids. But his dick was broke. Well, you know, when your brain is just so creative and filled such wonderful stories, another part of your body's going to be compromise. Exactly. So yeah. Stephen King is famously terrible at sex, although again around Hubbard decent fucking. Yeah. For a while. We've heard that from what one account one account that's on enough to convince me one account. More than most co leaders have. That's true. That's all right. Whatever the case he apparently lost that ability at this point. It is kind of weird that in this metoo era. The one guy that I can't find a story of sexually assaulting unwilling people Elrod over shockingly. Really would've expected him to be top of that list because he was teaching men how to rape their wives while they slept like n n not in the clear on this. But there's so much research doing this may have just missed something that I am unaware that particular terrible thing which is shocking to me that said, I wanna know why didn't find any allegations of horrific child sexual abuse. I did find alligators of horrific child abuse L. Ron Hubbard space navy Zena dot net in admittedly anti-scientology site has clicked at several anecdotes from people who are on these voyages including one from Hannah altering ham. She says, quote, he put this little four and a half year old boy Derrick green into the chain locker for two days and two nights. It's closed metal container. It's wet. It's full of water and seaweed it smells bad, but David was sitting on the chain in this place on his own in the dark for two days and two nights. He was not allowed to go to the potty. I mean, he had to go in the chain locker on his own soil himself. He was given. Food and I never went near it the chain locker while he was in there. But people heard him crying that is sheer total brutality that is child abuse. Oh, yeah. He's a monster. I assume there were other kids that happen to this is just one story of. That's. Thing he had a room for locking up children on the Apollo or this Paul. The Apollo was the Scotman. I know there's a lot of names here. There was a mysterious death aboard the Apollo. I'm surprised there weren't a lot more in February of nineteen seventy-one. Susan Meister a twenty three year old scientologist from Colorado joined the Apollo and may fifth. She wrote an eager letter home to her family. I just had an auditing session. I feel great great in my life is expanding expanding. And it's all Scientology hurry up. Hurry. Hurry. A friend yourselves get into the stuff now, it's more precious than gold. It's the best thing that's ever ever ever ever ever come along love Susan roughly a month later on June fifteenth. She wrote another letter clearly influenced by Ron paranoia. I can't tell you exactly where we are. We have enemies who do not wish to see a succeed in restoring freedom and self determination to this planet's people these people were to find out where we were located. They would attempt to destroy US June twenty-fifth ten days after that letter. She locked herself in a cabinet shot herself in the head with the twenty two caliber of over. She was found later that day in her bunk wearing address your mother at center as a birthday gift. She wrote a letter, but we don't know what it said because it went up in the churches possess. Along with her body. They buried her in Monaco before her father could arrive Hubbard Whitney damage control mode. The church's official stance was that Susan was a drug addict with a history of suicide attempts. And also they said they'd found naked photos that she's taken. So clearly she was an unstable individual pretty classic playbook fault. It's her. She had a naked picture of herself. It's a fault in early nineteen seventy-two L Ron got sick. This may have had something to do with the fact that he has been years living in boats, not seeking any regular medical or dental care scurvy. He's drinking. He's drunk old man who lives on a boat and fish. He it's about problems. Weren't more deaths because I mean, he's throwing people overboard as there weren't more deaths. Right unless they were and they just got completely covered up. That's possible. I'm only aware this one, you know. You know, I can only do so much reading the Apollo's medical officer was a guy named in Kalki with six months of nursing experience under his belt. So there wasn't a lot of great medical care on board the Apollo when he got the gig started working closely with Hubbard he was surprised to learn that L R h had started seeing a doctor during port visits, and it started taking painkillers antibiotics I thought that as an operating theme he would have total control of his body and of any pain when he discovered I hadn't got him the painkillers he flew off the handle and started screaming at me. So this guy like learned that he didn't get all the painkillers that Hubbard had asked for because he was like what isn't he painkillers? He's total control of his body. Right. So Hubbard got angry at him because he didn't eat painkillers Morocco was Hubbard's favorite place in the early nineteen seventies. He set his sights on it as a possible worldwide headquarters for his new faith. But then he was mildly implicated in a failed attempt to unseat the Moroccan king. And again, his fleet had to flee to the open ocean cheese Taylor's oldest time, so while all this is happening. He's at sea for years eight years. Yeah. Scientology is still. Spreading on land yet. Right. He's managing it from telex machine and his boat somewhere in the ocean. Okay. Got it in the mid nineteen seventy two the French government launch an investigation into the church of Scientology while several of their ships were Dr engine repairs in a panic Hubbard fled to the east coast of the United States in spent ten months in a New Jersey hotel, watching daytime TV and drinking too much brandy. Cata sounds fun. He saw doctor and a dentist though. Yeah. Okay. So he's finally getting medical attention for his scurvy than his rotten teeth. His teeth were real fucked up when he returned his fleet ten months later. He seemed to be a much better health. But in late nineteen Seventy-three L Ron Hubbard had a motorcycle accident in the Canary Islands. What the fuck was a man that age to ride in a motorcycle. His good mood disappeared. He began instituting new punishments again and created a whole new unit for Scientologists who are being punished. The rehabilitation project force was a shocking development too, many see org members one of them on altering ham recalled that it sounded pretty much like a slave labor camp to her those weren't the words he used, but that was the impression given where the unwanted those found wanting seriously one percent, and there would be kept in this with no rights. No freedoms. No privileges of any kind pretty much the only rights. They were allowed was a little bit of sleep each day food leftovers the harsh treatment. So the builds a task force full of penalized people they all have to work they'll to wear black coveralls, basically over their whole body the heat of the day in the Mediterranean summer. They all slept together in the cargo. Hold with. No ventilation. Yeah. So the RPF became the place. Nobody wanted to be in the place that you went if you annoyed the Commodore or if you annoyed his messengers because they had the right to send you to RPF too. So there were twelve year old girls who can just throw people in Scientology prison. They got. Angry. Charge. Good. Yeah. Not just women charge girls in charge small children. Yes. Most children show. Take it back one crewman at this time. Remember Savell Ron Hubbard after the accident? He became much more paranoid and belligerent. He was convinced. They were evil people on board with hidden evil intentions, and he wanted to get them all in the RPF the RPF was used as an incredible daily threat over everyone. If he could smell something cooking from the Vince, whoever was the current Vince engineer would be assigned to the RPF if the cook burned his food RPF if a messenger complained about someone RPF his actions, definitely came more bizarre after the motorcycle accident, you could hear him throughout the ship screaming shouting ranting and raving day after day. He was always claiming the cooks for trying to poison him. And he began to smell odors everywhere. His clothes to be washed in pure water. Fifteen times using thirteen different buckets of clean water to rinse his shirt. So he wouldn't smell detergent on. So his behavior somehow became more erratic and unreasonable after this motorcycle accent is doing what he had already been doing. How does it get worse from there? I just can't even I'm gonna guess chronic pain. Like, you're already crazy off-balance guy. And then you're dealing with chronic pain. Come more of an asshole. I mean dialed up to eleven like, I don't know how you get worse from there. But it's incredible. But his life is like a perpetual motion machine of just being shittier. Because that's the only thing he ever does is get worse. Yeah. It's almost impressive. Great. He's like a mountaineer for being a piece of garbage like climbing, the Mount Everest to being shitty people around some crewmen, including Jim Dan, Kalki guy who'd worked as doctor, basically, even though there's only a nurse. So the RPF has reaction to hovers realization that his son Quinton who had been largely raised at sea. By this point was homosexual didn't Kalki said human emotion reactions is the way humans were and he didn't specifically regard humans very highly. He liked the idea of the doll bodies. That were in other civilizations. Doll bodies didn't have human emotions and reactions that were I guess like Spock, you know, just very analytical you just get the job done. No emotion. Their love is not a sentiment that's known or cared for and to me that's the tragedy because he put that I feel into the organization into the way of being in the organization, he saw his son's homosexuality as a betrayal. An ascend Quinn eventually killed himself years after this. So he saw it as an attack and that may have been what made him punish everyone else on the boats as the voyage went on Hubbard's often teenaged messengers grew to hold all of the power on board. The also the ability to force people into the RPF as I had stated multi will compare it to like Lord of the flies sort of situation in the last couple of years of the crew just these kind of crazed teenage girls because again, they're spending all of their time at around the craziest man who's ever lived. And they have ultimate power, and they're twelve so it's just bad. And a lot of them grew up in church and then. Yeah. Possibly also on this boat. Yeah. Yeah. At this point they've spent their whole lives in the church. They're just completely detached from reality. Living on a boat in the ocean with total power. It went mad. He did. However, get sick of. This in nineteen seventy five and he came ashore in Florida. He said it was because he needed his flag base to be on dry land in order to more efficiently built money out of people. He called his shift. The Apollo flag as well. Scientology quarters is called flag. Now, it's possible that he was just too old and infirm to stay at sea for whatever reason in August of nineteen seventy five he launched operation gold mine a plan to by numerous hotels and churches in and around the town of Clearwater, Florida in order to establish it as a Scientology mecca because you know, Florida's the one piece of land beyond the reach of all man's laws. I intended originally to go into his whole life in this podcast. Yeah. He has another eleven years. We'll get to that. At some point the NFL Ron Hubbard is another story because he hasn't even started making movies has all this other sane shit happens. Yeah. Okay. It gets so much wilder. But this is the end of his time it see. Okay. This is all the time. We have talked about I'll run Hubbard this week. Wow. What a journey. It's been. Yeah. I feel like I was a part of seal org for eight years. Yeah. That's what. Well, now, you can understand a little bit of how those people suffered. Yeah. Yeah. My three hours of being on this podcast is definitely compares. Wow. Wow. That was so much information stupefied that is the right reaction to all of this L Ron Hubbard there, we go. Okay. Well, that's the story. I got nothing else. I so to recap feminist icon famous icon Roberts mining for gold. Gold miner L Ron Hubbard he loves votes, he defeated Japanese submarine. Which we're just deposits of iron ore, deposits one. And he generally treated everyone around him with respect and never told a lion his life. 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Part One: The Last Days of L. Ron Hubbard

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Part One: The Last Days of L. Ron Hubbard

"Pyeho Chelsea handler. And I'm launching a brand new podcast with iheartradio called life will be the death of me. And I'm gonna talk to all these different people, my BFF Mary McCormack. That's what we should call. My book tour the apology, or great idea. Sorry. Everyone on this whole podcast should be called. It should be called with the orange because of the orange theme of the book Archie. Glad I went to therapy. Life will be the death of me with. Chelsea handler listening subscribe at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. L running my Hubbard's. I'm Robert Evans, this behind the bastards the podcast where we talk about the very worst people in all of history. In today's are super special conclusion episode of the life of L Ron Hubbard and with me today to talk about the last ten years of the craziest man in histories, life is Michael Swaine and Abe Edison. Thank you for having. I was making like, cheering and crowd sounds with my mouth. Oh, I it sounded mechanical. I didn't do a good job. I did that for every ten minutes to like, see about all the saliva from your mouth. No, no. You know what I do when I fucked something up like that, as I tossed my throw in bagels. Oh, you. Oh, I was aware of the throwing bagel trope. I thought they were individually thrown three pack three pack. Yeah. He's angry. And they bounced right off the wall and back to me. So I'm rearmed with my throw in big. We're also in a room with dozens of panels, you could have targeted you targeted one right by someone's head. Well, that's because the nature of the bounce means it won't hit Sophie, if I look forward to her left, it'll bounce right back to me. I'm an expert illiterate, keeping contained in the bag though. So you're vigilantism is at least kind I didn't to get those rooms every exactly like you're the get and rats and stuff. That's yeah. That's how you get rats. Yeah. And I don't want rats inside the house. I only want rats and the houses of my enemies. There's only the, the government acceptable level of rat in the studio. And I appreciate that which is five. Yeah. Same as peanut butter is why there's so many rats open being a butter from back when I heard peanut butter rescue their rat friends who are in the peanut butter. Jars. Yeah. See, I have five rats at home, too, and I'm like Aratu situation. I haven't seen that movie, but I think a guy cooks rats into food and serves them the people eating rats. Gratitude is correct. Well, I mean, the rent is too damn high really the rat now. Did y'all both? Listen to the three parter I did on the life of L, Ron Hubbard or L, R H. I did. Now I gotta ask before we before we get in were you surprised to learn that he in fact could fuck. Oh, I, I was ready to immediately answer. No to everything you said. Because I've done of like, he's not the most obscure bastard, you covered. No not. I've done my research. But yeah, that was the one detail found the one detail surprising. I, I also I was very pleased because I'm like it's not like he needed a win. No. You definitely didn't need a win kind of nailed it. But it's just kind of one of those, like, just one of those things that like life, just serves up to you like reality. Just says and circumstance. Yeah. Yes. Back tonight. Eliza like you. Find out Milton Berle had a foot long like why, but okay, I don't know if there's one thing that came across in that book of a thousand Milton Berle jokes. That as a kid fan, you just flashed me back to. I haven't thought of it in twenty years, and I remember thinking is a seven year old reading that. I bet this guy had a fucking salami that could knocked a head. Yeah. Well, it was a little child. Magic being it was dedicated to his testicles for all the way they bear as a kid. I just didn't think anything of that. Just seemed like a normal old comedian talking about balls speaking of old comedians talking about their balls or not speaking of that, at all. When we last left, L Ron Hubbard. He just come ashore in Florida after multiple years of shirking all the laws of land, and most of the laws of see old ill in his crazy as a cat with an inner ear infection Hubbard launched operation gold mine. This was his plan to create the mecca of Scientology, an entire city, dedicated to the religion, where Scientologists could rule one another and other people based on the enlightened principles of their glorious religion. Now, you guys are gonna build a mecca to your own personal religions where do you pick? Oh. Well, you got see this as an improv rule, you know, you're on the spot. I answer no censorship will came to mind was Portland, Oregon. No, that's a great place to have a call. That's where I play seeing you. But also because I've often that's been at the top of my list of other places to live. When I went, and if I leave LA but I also heard your episode about in part, the history of Portland. So I feel bad saying that I would put mine on top of mount Rushmore way better time to take more time to think in general on Rushmo question is would it be your face? Is your mecca in the shape of your face? It'd be whatever fucking just you frowning down on four president on my ongoing battle defeat. The president. That is what we know about it. Well, L Ron Hubbard was is. I think we've established the craziest man who ever lived. He's a contender in that. And as the craziest man who ever lived he picked the craziest state, and I say this as a Texan, nobody beats Horta in the in the crazy state lottery. So it's, it's got to be Florida. And of course, L Ron Hubbard pick the city of Clearwater, Florida now there was downside to this, which is that the site that L Ron Hubbard and his minions selected for their fates. New capital was already occupied by tens of thousands of people who are not Scientologists. So this was a problem but not an insurmountable one because L Ron Hubbard has had as as he had. You know most of our ladder. Oh, it's not a theory. No has oh he's bopping. Oh, he's still alive. I hope his head frozen in a jar. I'd like to see him one more act. I'd like to see him and Ted Williams had fight each other someday short just rolling around. It's one of those things where after everything we went through in the first three episodes. It's, it's shocking to me, how much gas this guy had left in this is only the last decade, right? This is the last, like ten years of his life home again. This is the game of thrones. Finale episode this is not the whole run. Most dictators, get a two part. Maybe a three part like L run up or is this is a FIFA partner on wait, there's more. Yeah. So Clearwater, Florida is located west of Tampa in north of Saint Petersburg, far edge of Florida's mid west coast, yet, it has a fine harbor, which was good because L Ron Hubbard still fancied himself a Commodore. And as you, you pointed out there, Michael the city's named Clearwater, made it a perfect fit with a run Hubbard's religious, canon. Of course, clear is the state of being like going clear. Yeah, yeah. The whole goal in the Scientology cannon in nineteen seventy five. I wanna disguised, L Ron Hubbard arrived with his retinue Clearwater, was a sleepy retirement community. It went by the nickname sparkling Clearwater, and a third of its hundred thousand citizens where over sixty five it was not a place that prided itself on hustle, and bustle, the town's, most prominent building was the old fort Harrison hotel, and increasingly decrepit monument to clear waters glory days. The hotel was empty and for sale in October. The southern land sales and Development Corporation purchased the old hotel. The local attorney who represented the buildings old owners called it one of the strangest transactions he'd ever seen the. Buildings new buyers had paid two point three million dollars in cash for the building. And the fact that they had two point three million in cash was literally all he knew about them. The buyers would not even admit to having a telephone number. Smell a gripped almost impressive. They didn't run afoul of Disney operatives buying land out from Florida residents expand any group like crazier and wealthier than the Disney version, this period of time. It's the church of Scientology. Now it's Disney. I mean we all have like humans have long history of just like if you get enough people and put them in a spot, you can declare that yours. Yeah. Which is exactly what I plan to do someday in Oregon people so that documentary wild wild country like that. That literally is my goal minus poisoning. That town, probably I saw the first. It's important. And I was like, it's kind of boring. They're not colty enough for my like the part of me that wants to watch, and everyone said something happened. So now I know they poisoned the town, get it. They always in the shit out of a tail. We're past spoiler range. I think they were kind of on the right anyway. Let's move on past town. Yeah, less than a week later. The southern land Development Corporation bought another of the city's landmarks, the Bank of Clearwater, building, they paid five hundred and fifty thousand dollars again in cash. Now residents started talking after this, and they talked even more when a strange old man in a green jumpsuit showed up in town and publicly announced that the southern land company would be leasing the buildings to a group called the United churches of Florida. He claimed that the United churches would host religious meetings, and seminars there now this perplexed local journalists, they could find no records anywhere of the United churches of Florida ever existing. This was because there was no United churches of Florida or southern land development company for that matter. Both organizations were, of course, fronts for the church of Scientology on December fifth L Ron Hubbard officially. Bounced project power three aka operation. Normandy I shave with that. That's really close to the grain. It's got these three blades. Yeah. Yeah. You say that with a full beard. Look, no one at this table shaves regular church, the literature, they handed me made me understand that I am clean shade him the Scientology razor works. This is just my sin coming out of my face. Oh, yeah. He's clear shave. I'm going to get it out at it away. Yet, your shaved on the inside, which is little, here's a little feet and it's all. Now, the purpose of operation Normandy was quote to fully investigate the Clearwater city county area so we can distinguish our friends from our enemies and handle is needed. Hubbard's overall plan to accomplish this was quote to locate opinion leaders. Then they're enemies, the dirt scandal vested interest crime of the enemies with overt data as much as possible, then turn this over to United churches, will approach the opinion leader and get his agreement to look into a specific subject, which will lead to the enemies crimes, United churches, then discovers the scandal, etc. And turns it over to the opinion leader for his use ops can be done as a follow up to remove or restrain the enemy, so wow, just gets right into it. How do we deal with our enemies that we're gonna make? That's his rule is to blackmail. So quick, like he doesn't like someone introduces you pointing him across the room at a party that, oh, yeah. That's my friend. L. Ron. He's got dirt on your down now, fast. Yeah. I mean he's like in his sixties at this point he's experienced he knows he doesn't pussy foot around. It's time to we're gonna make enemies. So we need a plan to destroy our mob boat has reached land begin discovering. Everyone's like, video games where you're supposed to like you have like offense and defense. And yet the power them both up. He's done this enough to know he's like, well, it's good to be a head of the on the Devon he's been playing for a long shot. Now, one of these enemies was a reporter for the Clearwater, sun named Mark sable men marketed sniffing around the church's operations in Clearwater, in revealed some evidence that suggested the United churches were really the church of Scientology, and so on January twenty sixth nineteen Seventy-six, a church official named Joe LIZA wrote up a scheme to get Mark fired, quote, have a woman, elderly go into the office into grief and miss emotion. Start screaming that she wants to see sable men's boss. She goes in and sees this man and screams and cries about sable men sexually assaulting her son, or grandson, the woman takes a magazine which is lured and perverted, and throws it into the face of the man woman, and screams, look what he gave my son, not to mention what the pervert did sob sob to my Johnny. I'm going to the police if you can't do something about that pervert saleman I will see that they do something to you. So your analyst reveals the very basic detail. But they're secretly buying up land. This is going. Yeah. One point in time sub sub to my Johnny literally how it's written. Yeah. Sub sub to my Sean. Any like a song you here at the Cobb, or like it's kind of like a like a greeting to sub. Sobbed magen. That should be your tap step aside. Janis up sobbing. Janis. There we go. Yeah. Throat later nineteen seventy five and early nineteen Seventy-six Clearwater flooded with young uniform Scientologists. They began renovating the church's new acquisitions downtown. Their presence was strange discomfiting for locals since the newcomers refused to answer questions on who they worked for, and what they were doing Hubbard himself supervised the construction efforts from five miles away in a condominium complex in the nearby town of doing it in during his visits into Clearwater. He posed as a photographer. His initial plan was to sneak into a respected position in local society by posing, a photographer taking pictures to encourage local tourism in a letter to one member of the guardian office, which was the trunk of the church of Scientology aimed at protecting run Hubbard he wrote, quote, taking pictures of beautiful clear water is the local button. My portrait of the mayor will hang in city hall, never fear. Okay. First of all, it's clear that he was like, well, I'm not gonna live there. Find me the nerdy sounding town. Gotta live in a JR Tolkien's named town. I am L Ron after all he is L Ron induna, Dan, he's an alpha collided with space telescope L Ron Hubbard right? Which actually just turns out to be an arc. The Secondly it's he'll out back on land. I thought he was going to get a real. He's he's he's not allowed. That's why he's always skies. Putting on. I mean, because I thought the boat was his sort of final Saul. Yeah. Evading the love, but even this late stage. He's like I'm risking it. He's, he's risking it. Now he he's, he's being hidden. At this point. He has a whole team of people. The guardian offices, just there to keep people off, as bench would sound silly, if you hadn't just dropped the KKK episodes. Yeah. They're like Vic, salted cyclone, the clinical. Oh, the clay-bey. Unfortunately, for L Ron Hubbard the mayor of Clearwater, had no interest in being photographed by a strange old man. He was deeply concerned with this army of anonymous invaders, and one point. He reached out to the United churches. In said, quote, I am discomfited by the increasing visibility of security personnel. Armed with Billy clubs and Mace employed by the United churches of Florida. I am unable to understand with this degree. Security is required by religious organization UCF, more like you have see my right? It's like a reasonable question. Yeah. It seems like you brought an army to our sleep retirement town. Also, why a Catholic priest lockdown cobblestone streets like how you doing lasts just smacking a nights his hand. That is discomfiting. Yeah. I think that's the perfect, that is that is the perfect word it became clear that the Scientologists would need to stage reveal of their organization to the people of Clearwater, in early nineteen seventy six they held a meeting at the fort Harrison hotel officiated by L Ron Hubbard himself. He. He wore a beret, khaki fatigues and headphones and local religious leaders watched in wondering confusion as this bizarre man presided over the setup of microphones, stage-managed the production, the press conference down to the tiniest detail. He was introduced as Mr. Hubbard an engineer. Why didn't they good? One of the one again, one of the like can through lines of, anytime you read about criminals in the seventies behind really wasn't very good at its job. I mean you could debate whether or not they still are, but everyone was kind of a sleep at the wheel until September eleventh, which, you know, is part of why September eleventh after I it's almost as if in the human narrative, there's incompetence has always been with us. Yes. Especially of those of power. Yeah. You shouldn't have been super hard to find run Aubert now. Five hundred local citizens attended the meeting where they were shown the renovations done to the fort Harrison hotel, Scientology representatives. Tried to reassure them that the church was a fundamentally friendly force with no nefarious aims towards their town. A spokesman for the church told them Scientologists are people who, don't drink or violate laws, they are friendly in what to contribute the very next day, the church of Scientology filed a one million dollar lawsuit against the mayor of Clearwater, Gabriel Khazar is suing him for libel slander in a bevy of civil rights violations. A few days after announcing his presence in floor. And instantly suing the mayor of the town overrun. Hubbard went out to get a suit tailored near dune it, and it turned out that the Taylor was a science fiction fan and since Ron was a proud narcissist, he immediately revealed his identity to the fan and hold them. He was staying nearby. The news percolated through the local rumor mill and before long it was common knowledge that the prophet of Scientology was hanging out and doing it in rather than Clearwater. Now at the time there were numerous pending lawsuits, and investigations against the church. And the fact that Hubbard's location had been revealed by himself made him incredibly paranoid, within days of revealing himself to Clearwater. He and his entourage, fled twelve hundred miles north to Georgetown, Hubbard grew a beard and bought a new wardrobe at from a local Salvation Army store. One of his aides who'd been with them during his long boat, journey noted that it was strange because on the ship, he had all these phobias about, Dustin smells, and how his clothes to be washed, but all that vanished when we were living together in Washington. He goes Boho kind of Assange, ark for him. You hit like a second religion family. Yeah. Oh man. It's just pests though. Right. Like they just anytime anyone might be a threat. They just throw. Everything out them. I'm gonna see you then. Yeah. Then you hear they throw that everyone in any area there in before they get to know anyone. Yeah. It's how you react to threats when you have infinite money, and our is just a lunatic. And I think it's a sign of your out, like I feel like from your previous episodes to he walked around with a lot of darkness inside him like some people who I think, have done horrendous things, and it really goes off them like water on the ducks back, his just sheer obsession with we'll everyone's got dirt. Everyone's got skeletons the trick in life is just to find the skeletons. That's the act of someone who, like, yeah, I have the most skill have so many skeletons preemptively throwing my own baby. Say anything about these skeletons I'm gonna create news. It's also incredible that he I wish I could have been there in his head in the moment, he's leaving the Taylor's office when it turned from, like it was nice meeting a fan. I shouldn't have done that. Oh, L. That was real bad. L. All the crimes. You've been committing laid a minute little run little wrong. So we grows to Georgetown grows a beard like we all do at some point now, we'll Hubbard hit out in Georgetown. He continued to directive variety of clandestine operations down in Clearwater. His main goal was to unseat Gabriel czars who had grown into a figure of almost Luciferian importance, the scientologist portrait that he still wants that portrait. Yeah. They were really worried about his moderate concern, about them taking over his town with a paramilitary security force, according to the book, bare faced messiah, quote, Scientologists had gone back to his hometown of alpine Texas trawled through public records, nosed around the courthouse, and even checked the headstones, and the local graveyard without success. But then it was disclosed that Khazar is would be attending the national mayors conference in Washington from eleven or thirteen to seventeenth March, and the Guardian's office, made hasty plans to give him a welcome, a scientologist posing as a Washington reporter sought an interview with Khazar is introduced him to a friend Sharon Thomas, who offered to show, the mayor of the sites of Washington, miss Tom. Was, of course, working for the Guardian's office driving with the mayor through scenic Rock Creek park. She temporarily lost control of her car in ran into a district who crumpled dramatically to the mayor's har- miss Thomas, accelerated away without stopping leaving the injured man lying on the road is the injured. Van also young science. Everyone involved, the scientologist scientologist this like a play for no. Like in the census when they put on a play to convince Mr. burns to fund the school or some shit like. I wonder if they rehearse. Oh, they must they must've and, and it's all for his him to important. It had a team, always practicing to fake a hit and run just because he knew at some point, I'm going to need this do those morning production meetings. We're just sitting right? He was talking last night about not feeling like so great. When he's he's not tall. So can we just like let's build platform, make him taller for shortest? Peop-. Yeah. They were I wanna see the scenes that they were Hearst that we're cut. Okay. In case, the mayor gets carried off by a giant bird of prey. We have this great scene worked out, if never happened it just like slaves. Stayed on the cutting room floor. Yeah. With those Eaton's in the fifth Eaton's it probably. That's why I get the acting connection. Oh, let me sense they had to do a lot of improv, we'll getting a little. Thomas cruise. That was his first. Now the plan was to use this hit and run to discredit the mayor a guardians office memo noted, I should think the mayor's political days are at an end, of course. Faked hit and run committed by someone else did not have the derailing affect on the mayor's career that the Guardian's office hope. But Hubbard was ready. The same day with another plan to try and convince Miami's Cuban population that the mayor of Clearwater, was pro Castro. So like most of L Ron Hubbard's harebrained, schemes this one did not bear fruit. The Commodore cooked up ideas, like I hop cooks, pancakes, Foley, and constantly, but all of his schemes were not half assed. And while all this was going on the church of Scientology was deep in the middle of the most ambitious scheme of its history to date. Operation Snow, White on November ninth nineteen seventy five an agent of the church code-named silver walked into the Internal Revenue Service headquarters in Washington DC entered the office of attorney, Charles UV, Ryan, although he had no legal right to be there and began taking documents he made copies of hundreds of confidential tax documents, and then walked out the door with them like the purchase of the fort Harrison hotel, this was done under the express orders of L Ron Hubbard the Genesis of Snow, White had come in nineteen Seventy-three whilst Hubbard and his sea org were still trawling, international waters multiple nations refused to let the Scientologists docket there. Ports and L Ron Hubbard decided this was due to a worldwide conspiracy to discredit his church rather than its numerous numerous. He asked. Conspiracy, I'm gonna dress up like Spiderman and ruined. His good name. Hubbard tasks Scientology's investigative arm the guardian office with countering this false information. The name Snow White was picked because Hubbard claimed the government's case against him was an essence a fable now. Call it operation fable that's way cooler. Well he went with Snow White. Under the direction of his wife. Mary Hubbard operation Snow White would grow into a sprawling infiltration the US federal government at every level agents silvers theft of IRS documents was just one part of the scheme agent silver was really IRS clerk Gerald Wolfe. And in that capacity he was able to steal more than thirty thousand pages worth of documents by the beginning of nineteen seventy five. The church had actually succeeded in placing agents inside the IRS, the US coastguard, and the DA. Now this scheme was executed entirely by agents of the guardian office. They were trained to lie or inciting tolliday terms, outflow false data in order to worm their way into these federal organizations. That's a good synonym for life flow, graph my head. Data. Synergise the dishonesty also your names already wolf agent wolf was gonna saves they're bugging or silver wolf, or I dunno silver wall silver will bread FOX. No. That was agent rep. Fox wolf. Why he's gotta filthy sense of humor, but he gets ship done. Speaking of fables, you know, it's not a fable. Products. Your heart showing this man. They're very you know what? I don't need the. See, I throw the bagels right back to those are some products. Yeah. The service is a real, but we are not as in the, the throw in bagels are real, Mike, current throwing bagels are everything bagels kettle boiled in health baked sliced, the bagel that won the west and they're bruising badly, which I didn't think bagels were supposed to do the bagel that won the west did these did these wipe out the Cherokee. Was genocide bagels, went on the walls, everything? So they're definitely genocide. Plus, I guess everything else that's not cool. Thousands of American bison died with those bagels embedded in their scones. Sophie, I want bagels, the didn't commit genocide. Yeah. Fair, also these expired twenty minutes. So I want fresh throwing bagels, actually, the expired ones work a little bit better. So check out these ads. Do you sell stuff online? Then you knew what a pain shipping can be. It's time consuming. It's expensive. It's a hassle until now introducing ship station. The fastest easiest and most affordable way to get your products to your customers, whether you sell stuff on Amazon Oetzi shop affi- or your own website, which ship station, you can quickly ship, all orders from one easy to use dashboard, saving you a ton of time. 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Woodworking tool, and I for one will purchase one delicious products or services. Now, what's not delicious is the throwing bagels that apparently our genocide bagels, genocide vague. I would like to apologize to genocide victims for throwing genocide. Bagel I've heard a lot of words in my time on this earth. I've never heard the combination tasty genocide. I don't know. I don't eat bagels. I just throw them. So I don't know if they're tasty. I can't say these are the bounciest of the bay low, you're not even vouching for these bagels as edible. That's why they're throwing all right? I assume they're throwing bagel could sort of retire an end its life in my little mouth fed, not a positive. I'm not gonna say you can't. But that's not their purpose. Okay, there, everything. Bagel. So you can do anything wisdom this. Bagel is my everything now, including genocide. Yes. Unfortunately, I guess. Yeah, they really are the bagels, everything. It's all good. And all it's all good. It's all on there. Yeah. That bagel both invented the seat belt and kill Jon Benet Ramsey and everything it is the spirit of Christmas is the spirit of Christmas, as well as the spirit of sT Louis and is that right wing college kid who led the campaign against wearing seatbelts and died in an accident that he would've lived through feed worn seat belt, there's all in the bagel people we've gotten to invest in the philosophy. What an everything bagel is the cream cheese is Hitler. I don't ask why. It's always been that way. I think we can all agree on. All right. Let's get back to. Ron Hubbard's life, a little bit of bagel. It's a little bit of Bengal. So the guardian office agents were infiltrating, you know, all all these federal agencies, the, the IRS the DA the coastguard much of the data gathered like the IRS files, copied by agents silver was collected in order to help the church deal with its mountain of pending audits at this point, it was not a religious institution in the legal sense of the word, but it was still refusing to pay taxes. So the IRS was not super happy with still have not secured, the religious exemption that was until much later. Now, the Guardian's office also used their connections to the US government to dig up dirt on their political enemies, particularly journalists who dared to write about them, according to the LA times, quote, the guardian office saved the worst for author, poet Cooper of New York City, who scathing nineteen seventy two book, the scandal of Scientology pushed her to the top of the church's roster of enemies among other things Cooper was framed, on criminal charges by the guardian, office members who obtain stationary. She had touched and then use it to forge bomb threats to the church in her name your like the not. These are the air absol bomb, you. I'll kill you weren't one of the rambling letters. The church reported these threats to the FBI and sent the fury of the bureau crashing down on poor Paulette Cooper, she was indicted by a grand jury for making bomb threats and for lying under oath about having made the bomb threats the truth, did eventually come out, but it took two years and cost, Paul at twenty thousand dollars in legal fees and six thousand dollars in psychiatric treatment. Now Hubbard actually hated Paul. Let enough that he had the Guardian's office, dedicated entire operation to destroying her code-named freak out. I found an article where she recites a small list of the things they did before reporting those fake bomb threats to the FBI. What are you doing? We're, we're destroying this one woman. We're destroying this lady. She went to book we're in Q two. I'm hoping by Q four she'll be playing. That's the goal you know, we all get a bonus, if it happens before, but did the agents who infiltrated the IRS like ninety nine percent of the time. Have to just keep up there covered by doing sense return. I think so. I wanna know if a scientologist operative effort just processed my taxes by chance. Well, if you were filing Texas in the late seventies. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, that's I have a very bad tax cheats, which is I've been filing taxes since before I was born I'm hoping to pay. Stop paying taxes. Stay the plus column. Here's Paulette Cooper, quote, I soon got used to telephone death threats harassing calls and lawsuits. I was occasionally followed often conspicuously as if to upset me and people seem to be trying to gain access to my apartment. Then in the basement of my small building. I discovered alligator clips on my phone, wires likely the remnants of a phone tap next. My cousin who was also shortened slim, like me was in my apartment alone when a man arrived with a flower delivery for me when she opened the door the intruder pulled a gun out of the flowers and put it to her temple fortunately, the gun jammed misfired or was empty the man, then began to choke her. And then when she pulled away in screamed, he ran off the police said afterward, that they were mystified, because there appeared to be no motive for the attack and quickly moved to a safer doorman building. But soon afterwards three hundred of my new neighbors received an anonymous smear letter about me rage, Asli, describing me, as a part time prostitute with venereal disease. They really showed control with the part time, though. They're like, don't you? Jagger a full-time. Wow. Yeah. That's like that's United. The reason why they choose part-time to is that they're like she can't even be a full process. That's a different way to take. One they took. Yeah. City sex work yet. Yes, she can't she can't entirely subsist off of that. So she's got to do the writing books about Scientology off. Off gets worse lies and worse lies. Yeah. Now much as I do. Love talking about the wacky, schemes of L Ron Hubbard. It's important to remember that for every botched fake hit and run, which is just genuinely whimsical and funny, someone like Paulette Cooper was subjected to insane. Almost unimaginable torment for the crime of writing a book that anger del right? Well, it seems like it might have been actually just a torture technique like where they were never planning to shoot her. But, like that's the thing that you'll do like I talked to someone who was in an Iranian prison, and tortured for a while. And fake executions were a common thing the CIA to with Iraq where you put a gun to their head and pull the trigger but it's not loaded because like that just really fucks with people, I guess, because he went onto choker at it makes you imagine, like he really was sent to kill her. But a jam is also pretty unlikely. Torture rehearsal, like, like just just to fucker up. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, yeah, they'll execute a prisoner of war with a son that has no bullet. Right. Be psychological. Now. You're now you're talking. Forty years. Now. Meanwhile, back in operation Snow, White over the months and years, Scientology spies and made their way into the department of Justice placing an operative as the secretary to an assistant US attorney who handled the mountain a foia requests filed by the church freedom of information act requests, this was the surface, legitimate goal of operation Snow, White Hubbard framed, as a perfectly legal blizzard, a freedom of information requests aimed at trying to figure out just why so many people thought the church of Scientology was an affair entity now because I'm usually profile has been a force for good mostly. Yup. Not not in this game. So, because many of these foia requests pertained to records that were critical and ongoing investigations into the church is rampant criminal activity. The church would be denied the right to see them, which is part of alpha works. The churches man in the Justice department would be able to like, no. When they were like, okay. Would they requested this documents being denied? And so he would get a copy of the document through getting denied. And then smuggled them out to church authorities. So this is why the place new Jay. What's sent everyone was on? Yeah. Exactly. Now the IRS was. On Hubbard's greatest nemesis, outside of the concept of psychiatry and they were wear his guardian office focused, most of its efforts at one point in office operative manage to bug and iris conference room by wiring a recorder into a wall socket that allowed him to listen in on agency meetings by his car's FM radio in another point to Scientologists use their faked IRS credentials to get inside government archives, and photocopy documents related to the church. Now, the head of operation Snow White was again, Mary, sue Hubbard, and when it all came crashing down, spoiler, she is the one who would take legal blame. But basically, everyone who has studied the church or Hubbard agrees that he was the center of the whole conspiracy. It's almost like people who are scared that everything is calm conspiracy make conspiracy do nothing but create conspiracies because the worldview, and it's yeah, it seems like every everything is the mafia like like everything works like to get you. Right. It's the same. You just shift the blankets allure down. And there's the, the concept of lieutenants or made men. Stuff Avon's in the clink freer, but we got stringer on. Now you can run messages to we've Aiwa, whatever you need. Yeah. And then in L Ron Hubbard's case, he's, he's Avon Barksdale. I guess he never spent time in a sense because he's a mythical. He's more of a mythic figure. Yeah. I do think there's also the first time I've heard of spy work. That is too boring to contemplate doing. Oh my God. I like do you want to be a spy? Yeah. Dude. Okay. Go into this IRS office and install a bug that's kind of cool now, sitting van and listen to what IRS people say all day drive around listening to the IRS radio. Cops. Kind of the opposite of cops zip do cups Spock. Yes. Cops backwards. I Don is spot cops, but that's not how that works. The cops. No, it is backward, or spa. 'cause there's a logical have always said that, that commander Spock is the opposite of cutting. Yeah. You know why? The blue uniform? No. That does Prosser. I'm looking for fun. I, I really didn't have anything. Hoping I was hoping somebody was going to point to the past that ball, buddy comedy now. Yeah. And we failed logical over your badge. Do. Bengals. Right back at my feet number four. I you know, I hate the genocide they were complicit in, but they're damned good shove, throwing bagels really good through bagels Friday and slip. Shelvin bagels. Those are different based, you need a Littler bagel most orifices, are small bagel bites. Good show. I put. They throw in bagels can be big Shelvin bagels need to be small enough to fit most holes to just kind of easing the coffee old fashioned. But I like just a good old fashioned walk in bagel. And a little walk around town. You can grab on it. Yeah. Not too much on the outside. That's a good walk and bagel back to evil. I was reading bagels more because, you know, if it's bagel bites they make their own loop. Do they now back to Scientology? They go by might be Meissner real good. Michael Meisner, who was the fake victim of the fake hit and run aimed at destroying the mayor Clearwater, was also a major part of operation Snow White. He personally broke into the department of Justice several times and organiz the copying of tens of thousands of secret files under Meissner's direction. Decoding equipment was installed to provide direct secure communication between church headquarters in Clearwater, and the Guardian's office in Los Angeles after Virginia. Ron Hubbard himself wound up hiding next on overland avenue in Kover City, California either. Yeah. That was about a block away from my first home in Los Angeles. Yeah. That's where Hubbard hit after he decided he'd spent too much time at Georgetown. He had to get out of these coast. Yeah. Yeah. So in mid nineteen Seventy-six with operation Snow, White. It's heightened Hubbard living in his third undisclosed location since returning to dry land a year ago. Mary, sue Hubbard finally joined back up with her husband to warn him about some major problems, not related to the fact, they were conducting the largest infiltration of the federal government, US history. See it turns out that living on a series of votes and searching for gold for like, a decade committing a vast and dizzy and create financial crimes spying on the government living in a series of safe houses is kind of bad for someone's family life. Look those imaginary submarines. Yeah. Yeah. Layman. It didn't the racist guy. Do it too. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They, they made the same line. So it's almost like there's a continuity of liars, and like wanting to be awesome and making your own, you know, that song everybody wants to rule the world. It's like that. But with blowing up a Japanese summer, it's like credit in those circles. Yeah, so yeah, the things we're not great with the Hubbard family at this point in time. His daughter, Diana's marriage was falling apart. His son Quinton was extensively in the sea org, but was constantly out of pocket and battling crippling depression. And worst of all, L Ron Hubbard's daughter, Suzanne at was dating non Scientologists now, Mary, sue suggested that all of these problems could be solved by providing the family with a little bit more stability. So using some of the church's literally, infinite funds. They bought a gigantic compound in southern California named LA king top, the family moved in that October for awhile, all was. Well, the Commodore's messengers noted that he seemed to be much more relaxed and happier after moving into his new ranch. This did not last long on Wednesday November. Seventeenth nineteen Seventy-six Hubbard received dire news. His son Quinton had been found dead in his car in Las Vegas. The victim of a successful suicide. Mary, sue wept L Ron Hubbard screamed that stupid fucking kid that stupid fucking kid, look at what he's done to me, we've. Yeah. What happened to blame the feet and dude? Yeah. Like you should follow with these ago feed. Zoo. Boy sleep through tunes. Yeah. That's tragic. Yeah. According to bare faced messiah, quote, the Guardian's office. Meanwhile had moved swiftly to handle the situation. It's local Representative in Las Vegas was a pit boss at the saints hotel by the name of Ed Walters. I'd been working as a covert operator for about eight years. He said, I had secretly tape recorded a psychiatrist and got him to talk about lobotomies to try and discredit him. And I had bugged the meetings of the Clark county mental Health Association, things like that. I worked on anything that word considered to be a threat to the Hubbard's. Who's he saying this to this is what he said to the author of bare faced messiah. Okay. So you he presumably got the he left the church at some point. Okay. You just a classic casino. Pit boss slash spy for the church of Scientology. Here's your mind connection, right? Yeah. What info is he getting stuff like this? They want dirt on a psychiatrist. So we get this guy drunk and bugs. I'm talking about committing labata. Yes, I guess, lobotomies are pretty cool. We should do more. Ching another day for. Edwald. Irs. So anyway, this is Walters. Again quote when they found out Clinton was here. I was told to get a hold of all of his medical files. There was apparently evidence that he had had a homosexual encounter shortly before he was found. And they didn't want anything like that to get out there was a girl scientologist working in the hospital in a very secure position. And she got all the reports on Quinton and gave them to me. And I handed them over to the Guardian's office. Clinton was cremated the next day those who knew him suggests that he probably just wanted out of Scientology, but couldn't think of a way to do so without ending his own life. According to Ed Walters. You don't just leave something like Scientology, you quit in the instantly become an enemy. He knew his father, violently attacked anyone who betrayed him. And he knew that the Guardian's office would be after him as a traitor. He had grown up in Scientology, and would have been tremendously afraid of the world out there full of wogs and evil people. I guess he just couldn't handle it now. L Ron Hubbard probably would have the same thing if he had less Scientology instead of killing what has he done to what has he done to me? Right. It's one of those things it's crazy. 'cause, like, of course they have some people in Vegas like he's like they have. This pit boss in Vegas. And they have like a lady working at a hospital. But, like, I feel like at this point, you get the feeling that at this point in the church's history. They have people like that in pretty much every city, every major city. Yeah, they've they've, they've got right Scientologists scattered around who they can trust to, like, yeah, we need you to get some pulsa medical records for us. When you the bug this conversation, we need you to guy waist, or whatever it's almost the more baffling part because I can I can wrap my head around the concept of crazy people doing crazy stuff because they wanna be awesome. Yeah. But the fact that they convince in mass all these people have different walks of life that are applicable in the way of like, oh, I can, I can get information from them. Like that's just what does that demographic will eastern? See, you got to keep in mind, one of the things he's saying at this point in time this is, you know, the Cold War's pretty ornery in like the late seventies, this is not that long before. Red dawn comes out, fears high fear is high L, Ron Hubbard one of the ways he's billing Scientology is like this is. The tech, which is like his term for their, their religious stuff. This is what's going to save the world. This is going to like make a nuclear war possible. So he like, all of you are like as, as like the guardians of this sacred knowledge that I brought from space all of you are like integral in saving the world. So these people like view themselves as secret agents, you know, in the cause of the salvation of humanity which, if you're just like a pit boss, or lady work in mid level position at a hospital and you want some excitement in your lives. It's cool, right? Like the secret spy bug, these evil psychiatrists or whatever also ironic that the only place he didn't befouled with horrendous crimes is space. This only place. He's innocent totally underground, we try to he wrote letters to NASA say, like you're not gonna get into space without our help. That's why I mentioned is I bet your bottom, but that this is a guy who genuinely wanted to go to space. I mean I used to read it scifi books because I read all scifi books, and it was genuine, he lisp space. He loves him ends base for all grateful that he didn't make their. No. It didn't need L Ron Hubbard God. You know what else doesn't need? Ron Hubbard the wonderful products and services that's show with their advertising dollars. Would they they're fully actualized? They're fully actualized. I've heard about these these services and the product. All right. Well, let's all hear about them. Some more. Do you sell stuff online? Then you knew what a pain shipping can be. It's time consuming. 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Now, I want to be clear here when I quoted a Mr. Walter's earlier, he said that a L Ron Hubbard son was scared of a world filled with wasps and evil people. Now, my Australian listeners will note that the word wop is a racial slur in that country but it also has a totally separate meaning in Scientology. So Walters was not being braced against anyone there. L Ron Hubbard used the term wogs defer to normal people who are not members of his sweet s space Colt. He to find a wok as. Maga models. Yeah, it is. And it's yeah, it Robert said, Awad is quote, a common everyday garden variety humanoid. He is a body. He doesn't know he's here, etc. He isn't there is a spirit at all. He is not operating as threaten he's such a special boy. He's not a special operating as a theme. Yeah. I don't even because I thought you're trying to get rid of the theme will, but you are a theme to right. I think so, like you're not operating you don't realise your space ghost and try to inside a meat sock. Yeah. It's good. Good the cheat and things. You saying they had locations, all across the US at this time, they're fucking everywhere space ghost coast to coast. All right. Well, the episodes over that, that jokes, all we need it. I'm sorry. We pretty wrote that. We're all Scientology. We talked about cards. Really, selling me. That wasn't an actor. That's true. We might have been Tom. Cruise probably not definitely not shouldn't be slandering. A rich millionaires also runs too fast to ever. Believably be hit by a car as yesterday. And I just wouldn't buy. I also think if he if he came after you wanted to kill you he'd probably do the job feel like Tom Cruise could very easily been a special forces guy or a murderer for higher. I mean, this is the kind of guy with his fuck off money just has like a compound, where he learns martial arts, we learned, how to destroy it. Yeah. So you were worried about the legal ramifications of slandering him by saying, he might have been that guy. But you immediately all want to say probably good at murdering. I think I think he would be the first to admit, I sure sure he would be hypothetically, a great murderer. When you talk to guys who like do like train Hollywood actors for gun stuff, the two people. They note is being like they these guys don't really need any help is, is Tom Cruise. He has the all movies. He's been. Yes, had to shoot guns. And if you see him buying the scenes, he's just tries hard. Yeah. He works really hard. Yeah. He's a great guy. Now, you remember those two Scientology agents who work a straight at the department of Justice break in back in seventy six well, after eleven months on the Lam and early nineteen seventy seven one of them broken became an informant to the FBI the bureau had been on his case for the break in, but the full story of the church's infiltration of the US government was complete news to them. The open a massive investigation into Scientology sweeping infiltration of the United States government. The investigation would culminate in June, nineteen seventy seven raid, that is still one of the largest rates in the history of the FBI one hundred thirty four agents with crowbars and sledgehammers tore through Scientology HQ in DC, as well as their offices in Los Angeles. The cart it away tens of thousands of documents, including the plans for project Normandy revealing the church's secret goal, to establish area control in the city of Clearwater, the resulting court case led to eleven Scientology. Including L Ron Hubbard's wife, Mary, sue being convicted and sentenced to up to five years in federal prison, L Ron Hubbard was named by. The grand jury is an unindicted co-conspirator a term. We all know very well now but the cease files did not link him directly to any crimes, he maintained his innocence up until the very end according to the Justice department quote, the crime committed by these defendants is if a breadth and scope previously unheard of no business office desk, or file was safe from their snooping and prying. No individual or organization was free, from their despicable conspiratorial minds, the tools of their trade, were miniature transmitters lock picks secret codes forged credentials in any other device found necessary to carry out their conspiratorial schemes. By the way, it's worth noting, that, while this is happening at the height of the Cold War. The Soviet government never managed to infiltrate the United States in nearly as comprehensive were extensive, fashions and the church of Scientology did it seems like they should have been trying to infiltrate the church asides talked that the really are making progress. Yeah, they it now, those are the facts of the case is they exist in reality. They are not the facts of the cases admitted by the church of Scientology in the immediate aftermath of the raid. They accused the FBI of Gestapo, like brutality, which would be true, if the stop handed out five year sentences for massive and sweeping the procreation of Third Reich rather than just shooting people. They had crowbars. The stand league builds itself as an advocacy group of Scientologists fighting bigotry against their religion. The name is an acronym for Scientologists taking action against discrimination. You have to use the in against for the acronym, which isn't great acronym. We all we all cut corners now and again or use expired throwing bagels like nobody's perfect. I found an article published on the stand league's website about the Snow White program. Here's how they described the Snow White program. I of the program written by Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard in nineteen seventy three for the purpose of legally correcting and expunging the plethora of false. Government reports about the church of Scientology, its leaders and members through strictly legal means it's a big tip for legal twice. Yeah. PS. Yes. Legal about. About legal and think of me the Stanley asserts that Ron Hubbard did not remotely contemplate anything illegal. Of course, not who've Amos law follower, L Ron Hubbard. Who's his legal this guy? I gotta get back on my boat. Now, I'm going to kidnap my baby again. My wife, oh damn it sucks. House. She sucks. Yeah. Yeah. That's rough. Now it is impossible to disprove that to a point of certainty, which is why out on Hubbard himself was never convicted of anything, but I want to emphasize, this come the fuck on. We all know all of this is known information. It's true. Now, we're not done with the story of L Ron Hubbard yet, and in our next episode which I'm very excited for we're going to talk about the last phase of his life where he became an author filmmaker into singer. Hell, yeah. Hell, yet, you believe L R H has this much. So in the tank. Battlefield earth. Oh, yeah. Oh, buddy, does it involve battlefield. What did you see treat at the end sill many people come on the show and at some point in the hour ago? Yeah. This has been really depressing. Thanks for having me. I feel like you've got all the sad stuff out of the way. I mean shit. But man, the next one's going to be a tree. It is going to be before we close this episode out. I'd like to talk a little bit more about the town of Clearwater, Florida. Now, the fort Harrison hotel was renamed by the church of Scientology to flag land base after renovations were finished. It became an is today, the chief training center for Scientologists studying the highest levels of whatever the hell Scientology is since nineteen Eighty-three Scientologists have died at flag base. One of those dead was a young woman named Lisa McPherson, who died of a blood clot caused by dehydration and bedrest after seventeen days locked in room. One seventy four of the former hotels. Josephus heaven was found dead in a bathtub in his room. The water was hot enough to have burned his skin off the official cause of death was drowning, but the corner noted that he was found with his head above the water line. Herbert Pfaff died of a seizure. In the hotel after he sees taking a seizure, medication in favor of a Scientology approved vitamin program, and this is the hotel from the shining. You're describing the situation. What they turn this building into room. One seventy four. Don't in nineteen Ninety-seven alone. The Clearwater police received one hundred sixty emergency calls from flag base at no point were they allowed to enter for most of Scientology history. The church was in constant arrears for failure to pay state and local property taxes, Scientology was brought to court numerous times by the city and the IRS for this. Luckily for the church, they eventually succeeded in having Scientology to clear a religion, which granted them tax exempt status the way they did. This was pretty fascinating. The basically bombarded, the IRS is an organization in individual IRS executives with lawsuits until they got their way. We'll probably talk about in the that and the tail in the later episode, according to a recent report in the Tampa Bay times, the church of Scientology, currently owns more than two hundred sixty million dollars in property in downtown Clearwater. Most of these buildings are empty, and undeveloped in many in Clearwater, blamed, the church for the fact that downtown Clearwater, has remained incredibly underdeveloped compared to downtown Saint Petersburg in Tampa. The church is able to exercise a huge amount of control over the city of Clearwater due to their. Ownership of much of its downtown area. And then economic power of their religion according to FSU news, quote Scientology leader, David Miscavige, introduced retail strategy to clear waters community redevelopment agency, though, plan requires use of not just property owned by the church, but it also every property in three block by four, block area that encompasses all of downtown, the plan involves attracting a few major retail brands and then filling open spaces with handpicked businesses similar do an outdoor mall. The proposal will give the church total control over the downtown area in regards to development and management of properties, the churches redevelopment plan has not yet been made public, nor will it be subject to a vote. Cool. Why do you need that? Like what I don't understand what area there. He's like this church is important to me. I made trillions of dollars but I need area control, let's area control. Well, I wanted to side if there's a spirals or you know, an old spaghetti factory there, and this is wanted to be what I wanted to be. This is who gives a shit, dude. This is the decision of his predecessor. For run Hubbard taking over this town, which the church controls like forty years later today. This was like a two week project for him. Right. Like he was he was there for like a month or so L Ron Hubbard himself and ever spent more than a couple of days actually inside the city limits of Clearwater, like they still control this, and it was just sort of vague plan of his for a couple of weeks before he moved up to Georgetown tau. I like it take it with these mitzvah figures. Yeah. Like the entire sea org is just like whatever he said, what, what beautiful drippings came out of his horrible, Ma we need to make that or religion because there's only so much that he said I mean, he said a lot, but it's like there's still people in Clearwater, who have to deal with the consequences of L Ron Hubbard's passing fancy every day. Why, I guess we have to justify this shit house kinda wanna go there now because I didn't know there existed, like a company town for holiday. Yeah. They're sure I got. Imagine because they're fricken annoying to be around. They must have pushed out anyone who had an easy opportunity to leave or felt like so by now forty years later, I just want to go to a town where you're like ninety percent. Certain everyone around you is a scientologist that all the time for another person gawking dollars. You wonder I wonder if there's ever at the time, like, like he would listen to music, or like it was really into stand up comedian, and would like, watch it and stuff. And then everyone was like, I guess that's another God. Amongst us. I you get the feeling from L Ron Hubbard that he did not consume a lot of other people's media. Right. Sure. It's probably true. Yeah, we will be talking about Star Wars a little bit in the next. It was. I can't wait. This is going to be. It is going to be great. But I you know what else is going to be great? What is y'all plug in your plug Ables? Yeah, we're in the PISA on these to the bassoon. I thought that's the pizza zone. What's the cookie with? 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Jon Stewart Interview and John Legend Interview

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Jon Stewart Interview and John Legend Interview

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Yeah, when I was a kid, you couldn't get fireworks. You had to drive to Pennsylvania or Jinya to buy fireworks now. They like you, said he selling the grocery store. They sell it in the BJ's Costco. You can get. Anywhere and kids are going crazy issue. Roma candles. Scrape I've never heard this many fireworks for so many nights in a row all night long. Expensive No I mean I grew up in I grew up in South Carolina, so we always shot fireworks but I have been. I've been reading a couple of stories. The people complaining about firework activity do tonight. I saw him in Oakland complaint. We've always thousand people. They were illegal in New York illegal. You weren't supposed to have little boy. GotTa. In Brooklyn stopped. As a matter of fact, semi black growing up, he blew his hand off from light and fireworks on the roof. Yeah, we used to get the M from the Bodega or jumping jacks or Roman candles, or they had the tank that would roll a little bit and then explode, but yeah, I didn't hear too. Many people let it that had them all we used to as a kid. We take the M. Eighties and put them in a telephone booth and blow up the telephone booth and get like. Two dollars and quarters that was for me. It was stupid stuff, but they banned fireworks. The the woman who used to molest me when I was eight, I used fireworks to make. Was a little snap and thing that you throw and he pop pop pop. That's not fireworks. You me the fireworks all. The little snaps, it costs. That was Dan fireworks. You didn't a with no. Tell me what my childhood was like. With a lighter they low fireworks you. Pop you buy me. Fireworks so. Where do you bottles snap from out and you could buy? Novelty shops. The stores have. Everybody had. Never seen him in the NABIS dot only by into fireworks, but I used when she used to touch on. A MAP! I guess that's why she's not. All right. Okay. A little awkward, but now today. Yes, John Legend will be joining. US Succumb legend to John's to John's will be joining us right to John's John Stewart right and John Legend. That's right John John. Legend has an amount right now. John Stewart has a movie coming out called irresistible. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I saw got some terrible terrible reviews. I read those yesterday, oh? Yeah, he did I read those yesterday was see i. that's one reason I don't like read reviews or listening to other people's opinions. Before I watched something of a fire consume something because I watched it. Just on screen, they send it for us to watch. Because he was coming to do the conversation and I thought it was great. Heartily I enjoyed it I. wouldn't have thought it got terrible reviews. Horrible killed it. All right well, let's get to show crack front page news what we're talking about. Well maybe you're going to be ready for some baseball soon. It didn't look like it was coming back, but now looks like Major League. Baseball is really trying to start July twenty fourth all right. We'll get into that next keeping. Lock this. The Breakfast Club Good Morning Easy Envy. Angela Ye. Shall I mean the guy we are the breakfast club. Let's get some front page news. Where we start reading. Well let's start with a major league. Baseball might be coming back around. Allow twenty four, th and their targeting a sixty game season, but I any players signed off on a health and safety protocol and to pledge to arrive at home stadiums by July first in order to prepare for the season so. You've been three months of negotiations still hasn't been worked out I. Knew that immediately yesterday I took my son fishing yesterday, and as we were going fishing I looked into the baseball field, and they're playing a game. The Little League actually playing a game. So why not seen little league playing in these kids playing Mike? Mainly Baseball's definitely come back out on these kids. In these different states play, they will bring Major League Baseball. That's not what it is. They've been trying to negotiate, but it all has to do with the finances of it also so you know the China packing as many games as they can, and there's a yeah, that's what the real issue is. It's not that they can't play. They don't care about over. The money. Well I'm sure they care about that also. Of course they care about that also. Covert. I'm sure that's the only reason that is the delay and they're having a conversation I guess shortening season that they have and I'm sure it's because the cold. But. People are not going to make the same noise about Damn Lbj they did about the NBA and you don't find the Mo the distraction. And they say that about the NBA NBA can't come back. It'd be a distraction everything. That's going on right now. I don't have the same energy for Major League Baseball. Announcer a real plan we'll see. But. Yeah, it doesn't look doesn't look that way now. Let's talk about what's happening with Donald Trump. He is focusing on restricting immigration into the United States. So he as you know, they have extended DACA. And he said over the weekend he intends to refile. to N Daca, that's the deferred action for childhood arrivals program. After the Supreme Court rejected his first attempt to do so now his reasoning for that is because he wants to make sure that the economy can recover and that people who are US citizens can actually get these jobs and Amazon Google. Twitter and other tech companies are speaking out against Donald Trump's freeze on emigrant work visas, so the company said they will. The the company said it will make American firms less competitive and less diverse as he has extended that freeze on these work visas. So the tech industry does rely very heavily on the visa program and other work visas to recruit employees from outside the United States, and that's in particular for technical facing jobs, and so they're saying it's now an unbelievably bad policy that will undermine America's economic recovery and its competitiveness. Guys pay attention to this whole immigration situation now. This NYPD shake shack poisoning. Host scandal they said was not what it was made out to. If you guys remember three cops went to shake shack, and they said that they were poisoned right, but now there's full picture of what really happened because. They said it tasted like bleach, so they throw it out, saying it's impossible for them to have known that. It was actually drinks that were made. Made for police officers, their drinks waiting for them when they arrived at shake shack, because they actually place an order using the mobile APP. So you have no idea who's playing this order. They purchased three shakes across two separate orders, and the workers couldn't have known. It was cops it. We're doing it because it wasn't done in person they couldn't have done. Anything to drink after the officers arrived because it drinks were already packaged and waiting for pickup, so what ends up happening? Is You know how they clean out the machines, and so when they clean out the machines? They have this in call the residual mixed on remover. It's a typically acidic solution that they use to combat build up dairy equipment, so maybe there might have been a little bit where they tasted. Tasted of that in their drinks, but it wasn't what it was made out to be like. Some officers are being poisoned and they don't know why. This whole thing was blown out of proportion, so they live because it couldn't have been bleaching if they called the head like there's no way they would have known that the police officers. They were just like it just a random person, just ordering food correct. Yeah. I don't think it was the. Lab because it did have a taste to it, and that's probably what the tastes came from, but they said when they went back to work I. Guess for some reason you know the. They made a huge deal out of it. They're higher ups and made it a big deal that please benevolent. President Association President made a show. A visiting the hospital and said that the police officers came under attack from attack substance that was believed to be bleach that whole story just ended up spreading, and so I don't think was actual police officers that made it a big deal. Just to play white devil's advocate. What if they frequent in frequented? The shake shack on? And the workers there knew their name. That's a possibility. Yeah. It was, but it wasn't actually bleach is probably the machine was just cleaned. And you know how you get those I drinks after they cleaned the machine That's true. 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Happy Birthday, the Memphis bleep. Cancer like IAM. Drop include MOMS from if bleak. Get it off your chest. Eight, hundred, five, eight, five, one, zero, five one of unique event. You can hit us up at any time that we got room zone away. Yes, and we didn't get to this story yesterday, but let's talk about bubble wireless. He's the only black driver in NASCAR's top series. And he found a noose, and his teams garage all right well. Wow, I, we'll get to that next keeping lock this the breakfast club good morning. Breakfast Club. Pouring. Everybody is DJ NV Angela Ye. Shall I mean the guy? We are the breakfast club. Let's get to. The ROOM IS LESS TALK BUBBLE ALICE Report with Angela. His close. Well bubble wild is who was the only black driver in NASCAR's top series. Did confirm that on Sunday. They was a news found in his team's garage. Stall Talladega superspeedway, and now they are investigating. The news was found by a member of bubba Wallace team, and it was just hours after somebody flew a confederate flag over the track to protest NASCAR banning the confederate flag at all events so. They're trying to figure out who did this now. NASCAR released a statement. We are angry and. CanNot stay strongly enough. How seriously we take this heinous act! That is that is totally follow. Her jussie smollet was was trending yesterday. Because people will believe in. Maybe he did himself, but that's crazy. You can't go to work without CNN the flag people still come to hide your job with the flags and try to put it only a 'cause. It's just so disrespectful positively. I A truck drivers rolling past the confederate flag. It was like a protest parade with a lot of the people there were setting up camp across the street, and they were also displaying the confederate flag. That's how must have flag means to them, and there were some trump flags alongside the confederate flags as well. Are Right in addition to that I bubble. Wallace did finish fourteenth. Yesterday did rally behind him. It was a very emotional scene, so listen to this. Been It's been hell. Really Tell it's just been hectic. Carrying his weight and candice burden, I wouldn't really say burden, either I'm proud to stand where I'm at and carry a new face. I hear from Atlanta. Not Wearing my mask, but I wanted to show whoever it was. You'RE GONNA. Take away my smile. and. I'm going to keep on going. The pre-race deal was probably one of the hardest thing I've ever had a witness in my life. Trauma Hall of the supporters from drivers from crew members everybody here, the bad ass fan base. Thank you guys for coming out. Yeah definitely positive for that. Bro He's going through a lot and I'm glad that they're rallying behind him. Yeah, most people are so and I know that's a hurtful time and things to go through, so you know I'm glad that NASCAR is doing the right thing, though at least right all right little baby, he's upset. That Walmart has been selling fate gold chains with his logo on it for pockets full jewelry and he's not happy at all. He called him out on twitter. He said Walmart got me after the bootleg changed. Did see him. I mean the good thing. Thing about it is. That's his low, though so he could probably sue if it's you know his and his trademark, but remember we used to see all the time I never seen in a Walmart, but we always used to see it in a more whether it's cash money I seen a rockefeller stuff I seen masterpiece ice cream shraga. There's been a lot of jewelry Malo. Yeah, absolutely we might have some of those chains right? Nope me when he ninety nine. Arakawa Crawford is being sued for one million dollars by the mother of the child who drowned at his home. We told you about this drowning incident. It took place last. Monday was small gathering, and it was a five year old boy in an adult women who died when the little boy fell into the pool, she actually dove in to try to save the five year old, and they both later died at a nearby hospital now. The Mom Lebron Hersi is saying there Carl. Crawford is solely responsible for the incident. She says her bureau's son who suffered from drowning wasn't properly protected, and that is pool had no fencing alarm system and so. She's holding him responsible. She wants to one million dollars in her lawsuit against him. You know the defense in only secure I. If if around the whole yard, but if you're out in the barbecue having you know having a barbecue by the pool, the pool is usually open. I, do know in Florida. which I thought was dope to have these alarms that when you go outside to the pool long goes off like crazy which I'm going to install a my house or my kids not a swim, but he hasn't shown some shows insurance of be able to take care of but I. Definitely a sad situation I. don't know how you claim. Whose fault was you know? Mean because what I'm out. Your property I don't know what is in my kids. My responsibility, though like if I'm out at a pool party I'm watching my kids to make sure my kids safe so i. You know responsibility you. Know how this works. Legally I don't know if you know this happened on your property dislike. If you slip and fall on someone's property or something happens to you, you can sue right. Yeah best if you slip and fall, but if my child you know goes into the pool, jump into the pool pool falls into the pool. She knows apparent. You keep an eye on your kids to make sure you know. What air at any given moment. I'm just asking I. Honestly don't and I would love to. I don't know know they might. She's saying that it was unsafe because there was no way for A. if you're at someone's house and a child could just fall into the pool. I don't know, but I guess we'll see what happens all right well Amanda Lee. That's your rumor report all right. Thank you Messrs now. When we come back from page news what we're talking about. Yes, what he's talking about Dak, Prescott and his deal that he just signed with the cowboys all right. We'll get into that next. Keep a lot this breakfast locomotive. J. N. V. Angela Ye Shall Amina Guy. We are the breakfast club. Let's skin some front page news. Where we start in. The DAK Prescott has officially signed his thirty well received his thirty one point four million exclusive franchise tender for from the Dallas Cowboys. They have until July fifteenth to work out a long term deal. Otherwise one cannot be done until after this season, so the good news is I guess he'll be back for this season and he does Wanna stay. Does, he worked. I mean I don't know what his deal is. I think I saw something yesterday that he signed it thirty one point five million dollars franchise tag for the cowboys, but I don't know how long it is I. Don't know if that's really I don't know what that is. long-term, yeah, it's not a long term deal, so they saying that he will be one of the highest paid players NFL, and then they said next season that could increase by a mandatory twenty percents at thirty seven point, seven, million with the flat or lower cap in twenty twenty one, so they do wanna do a long term deal before July fifteenth, but if they wait till after that then you can't do it till after the season. At it I hope he gets all the money. He's worth WANNA. Make enforced. All Right Rhode Island now. I didn't know about this, but this ain't Rhode. Island might change its official state name because of Slavery Connotations I didn't know Rhode Island's full name is the state of Rhode Island and providence plantations so right now they're going to change the name to just Rhode. Island instead of all that I never heard anybody. Call it that many of them. But makes sense. Right I right now. Eight corrections officers at Ramsey. County Minnesota jail? Where Derek Shaaban is being held in in Minneapolis, they were briefly barred from the floor where he was being held the day that he was booked into jail because they're black. According to the discrimination charges that have been filed with the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, so they said when Shaaban was charged with murder in the death of George Floyd, they were told to report to the third floor of the jail They said that if facilities employees of color were all on that floor, they had all been segregated from the fifth floor which is. is where shoving was to be held, so they said they believed that those actions where discriminatory, because they openly singled out segregated officers of color because of their skin color now according to the official, what he's saying is that he said recognizing that the murder of George Floyd was likely to create particularly acute racial trauma I felt I had an immediate duty to protect and support employees who may have been traumatized, and may have heightened ongoing trauma by having to deal with shaven out of Karen Concern, and without the comfort of time decision to limit exposure to employees of color to a murder suspect who could potentially aggravate those feelings. He said he reversed that decision within the hour. At doesn't ever happen the other way around the right when they arrest somebody. WHO's black. They're not like okay. We're not gonNA. have any white officers I've never heard of that before. I don't see why should happen the other way. Why shouldn't they be able to do their job? As police officers and handle the situation just because of the color of their skin absolutely. If, you're not going to worry about potential prejudice off potential buyers when it comes to you know people that you arrested are black and white officers in the same energy should be applied for the black offices. Okay well right now. Those officers are seeking compensation. To black officers have some presidents and some bias towards the the White Cop shopping. They should okay. They should feel that way. y'All have no reason to be prejudice and bias towards US other than the color of skin. I right well I'm Angela and that is your front page news all right? Thanks. I want us. I want to Salute Kentucky to man. They got primary elections today a Senate primary elections. We all know that less than few less than a they have less than two hundred polling places to vote because Mitch McConnell. State senator has repeatedly refused to vote on bills to improve access to the ballot, so everyone exercising their right to vote be patient today. THUG IT OUT! And and all in always remember voting didn't mattered in you know why did he? Why did they go so hard to make it difficult for us to? Absolutely stuck it out and stuck it out and Kentucky, even though they cut the polling places from thirty, seven hundred to two hundred in one polling place for the states to bigger cities, Louisville and Lexington thug it out that long along, but like you said dug it out. Man, please if you can't bring extra water, please dug it out. All right when we come back. Comedian Jon Stewart will be joining us. Of course. He has a new movie coming out called irresistible. And we'll talk about that good film and I'm glad. I watched it before I saw the reviews for it. 'cause I I. enjoyed it. Okay all right well. We'll kick it with him when we come back at the breakfast club good morning. The BREAKFAST CLA Forty everybody is DJ envy. Angela Charlemagne the guy we are the breakfast club. We got a special guest on the line right now on the zoo. We have John Stewart welcome year. Hey, what's up, guys? was happening. Thank you for coming first of all I. Wanted I really enjoyed irresistible. Man. Really enjoy. Thank you a breakdown what? About how? About a young boy whose left alone over Christmas by family. That would be home and. That would be known. A movie about the current political system and be gravitational poll that it exerts, and how far away it's drifted from the problems and the facts on the ground of the real people that it's purporting to starters and hopefully funny and and people have a good time watching you know right out of the gate, not to give too much away, but you know these political strategist. They admit they're lying to us yet. The American public still listens why. I think ultimately what they've learned is noise is an effective strategy to belong any change of the status quo, and one of the best kind of noisemakers is to flood the zone with non fact and lies and span to make it much more difficult for people to be able to discern what's real, and what's not 'cause. Here's the other thing we're busy and they count on that. It's sort of like you ever look at your credit card statement, and they send you that pamphlet that explains to you like the rules. You cannot figure out what it is. They're trying to tell you about your credit card rate, and it's done on purpose. They don't want you to know the INS and outs. Don't because that means, you'll hold them accountable. You know there's a scene in the movie when I'm not gonNA, give it away, but Colonel Jack is basically saying that money is the problem in re in regards to politics. How how can that system will be dismantled? I I think that's what we've tried. You know there was McCain fondled pants. campaign finance reform, but I think it's always nibbling at maybe the edge of it. You know because when you have money in the system I think we all know that system is going to protect itself. Systems don't generally dismantle their own profit. So what happens is elections now become permanent, and so you got billions and billions of dollars. into this thing and everybody in that system is getting. The other day Joe by raise eighty million dollars I've been trump race seventy eight million dollars in a month, and that's not even the half of the kind of money flowing through this thing, and by the way that's the least of the money. The real money is the money flowing in from corporations and billionaires to influence that system. Also in the move, you show how Democrats don't know how to talk the regular people. WHY CAN'T DEMOCRATS GET THEIR MESSAGING RIGHT? Republican Party has an advantage in that they're more homogeneous. They're just talking to one group. Democrat, democratic. Party is really a coalition of interesting. You'll see it no matter where you go. You've got people you've got daca standing next to the LMS standing next to free. Palestine's standing next to me hats standing next to five guys going legalized pot like it's Mitch, March. And so there is no real singular common language for the Democratic Party to speak to each other enter uncertainty not to reach across and speaks to you know a a Republican party that's become really entrenched in that identity and Republicans will go for their candidate, no matter what whether they agree with them, disagree with them and I feel like Democrats. We do such a great job of being really divided amongst each other that we kind of like tear each other down so much there by the time it's time for an election and we've seen that happen. Obviously where Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders with Republicans whoever their candidate is, it doesn't matter. They are behind them one hundred percent. They'll switch what they think depending on what they're leader tells them. There's no no principle behind it anymore. If you look at the criticisms that were leveled at Barack Obama by the Republicans for eight years with Donald trump by almost every metric has performed worse according to their own criticism, so what they do is they change the metric so what they told you they believed in eight years ago. They've shown you. They don't believe that now. But what do you anticipate happening in November? I, you know. I would say the Focus Ford left should simply be. Protecting the boat, we you're GONNA. See four voting booths for eight hundred thousand people like protect the ability. They couldn't do. They couldn't do that in two thousand sixteen, though like they can't get an election security bill path because Mitch McConnell. We know it's voter pricing not to mention voter depressing just because people aren't enthused by Joe Biden. It's like it's going to be bad. Hardest thing for someone like in your position to do is maintain your optimism and Tuesday. Because, they're trying to wear you down. You guys are are drivers of enthusiasm and interest. Keep gay constructing the nonsense. Who the problem I have sometimes with Democrats is, they'll say we need the largest voter turnout in US history to win this. November, but we can't tell people all the things they are up against because they may not come out in November and in the movie Colonel Jack Allow He. He says you can't win a battle if you're not honest about what you're up against. If DEM's told the American people the truth, we may be energized to come out in November, let people know. Yesterday was Russian interference. Yes, there's voter suppression. Yes, there's some people are GonNa try to steal this election from you, but we need to come out in droves in order to beat that. Tell the true. Completely agree and part of what I was trying to show in the movie. Is that again? There's rot in the infrastructure of those systems you'll see. Here's what's going to happen. You're going to see job. I have to go out and talk to YouTube influence and he's going to do it without wearing a tie 'cause. You know young people if you're wearing a tie. You already started. Seeing that already kicks. The one thing what I. Really you know for Joe Biden. Biden was my gut. Perfectly! Much more in the Biden warrant. Sanders Warren camp. But, he's my guy now. Because I do think it's not just about anybody but trump. In this moment we are a nation in anguish and anger and fear, and here's my hope about by. This is a man. Who knows loss. has suffered. Wife a young child. Son. My hope is that. Ross has humboldt. To the idea of. What it feels like to be an anguished people, I feel like we need a leader in this moment of humility. Who is looking to understand their own ignorance and blind spots, and do better and be humble enough to know what they don't know. and to be humbled enough. Grief. To know the pain that people carry with them. Every day, I. We got more with John Stewart. When we come back, don't move. Is The breakfast club Good Morning? Morning everybody is TJ Envy Angela Shallow mean guy we. All the breakfast club was still kicking him with John Stewart. Show me. You told Rolling Stone magazine that. You believe the issue with a situations like George Floyd's deaf. Is that where addressing the wrong problem? Is that what you mean that? We should be addressing white supremacist immigration? Is that what? We should be addressing equity. Okay in the Great Depression formed the Federal Housing Administration and specifically wrote into federal guidelines for housing. The black people couldn't get loans to buy their houses. The wealth of this country has been built on equity. And then there was redlining and the zoning changes. This is not happenstance, and you can't build a ghetto and then suddenly decide okay, that's not here anymore, but we are gonNA police. The edge of it and we're never going to tear it down because when you. You Quarantine people. You cut off the economic tributaries that exist to feed that area. That's right what you have to do to face, and maybe there's plays into what reparations could be, which is call it project equity, a Marshall, plan to build black ownership, because you can't negotiate equality from a subservient position, so are generational. Challenge is to help build black equity I. Just want hear from from you guys. What what you think. Are the remedies beyond police and things like that. That no the only way American tone I original sin, which is slavery is through legislation, and most importantly reparations, so I totally agree with you. There has to be some type of economic equity package that is you know presented to the black community like it's really just as simple. Yeah, I think education is really important and making sure our kids that they have something to do when they're not in school, but making sure that it's equal like just some people don't want. Want to send their kids to school in certain districts and the school system is not good there. They don't have the right books. The right tools the right teachers. Even we have to make sure that we fix up neighborhoods that people living in that they have access to things that people in other neighborhoods have access to if there is a domestic dispute that I agree that police shouldn't be called into a situation like that I. do think that's something that a mediator. Is specialized deal with something like that and I know you said that also about people who suffer from mental health issues, addiction issues things like that I think certain cases. We don't need somebody with a gun to show up. That may not necessarily know how to de escalate or or handle that situation, so I think there's a lot of things that are necessary, and there's a lot of things that we need in order for us to start achieving some of that equipped some of that equity like you said it. Is the most important. Is Knowledge Right? You look at for myself I'm the first person in my family to graduate from college, the first person in my family to be an entrepreneur, not because my parents didn't is because they didn't know how to. You know we're trying to get equality. Most white people have equity in A. We're just trying to figure out how to get equity. You know we still have. Have to face the fact that the banks won't lend us. Money was set to face the fact that you know. They pushed us out. Our communities bio communities import out communities back together and in charges three times the rent John. Americans still have to give us what they owe. Call your white friends and tell them that reparations old to the black community and how? Would you like to see that Who Do we make the checkout to first of all and? How would you like to take that down? Because that's really so here's part of the issue, right? We're still in a position that you've got to sell that. The white community so you've got two problems run large portion of white people who think black people responsible for that that it's that that poverty and crime is a poor virtue and culture. By the way wouldn't talk about white poverty that way if you listen to them. Talk about the rust belt. Poverty. The factory workers although there they're victims of circumstance. Black people come on, suck it up. So. That's one perception that has to be changed. The second is resource garden, so another large portion might think my life, not that easy. And why do I always have to give up my resources to go to people when I didn't do anything wrong? To how do we bridge that gap and I think the answer is look. We're stuck in this. Trickle Down Theory of economics where one point five. Tax Go to people at the top and we've tried to the eighties and it doesn't work the job. Generation of a US is a Marshall Plan at that scale of building infrastructure of creating you will change welfare and food by bringing money back to the dignity of work taking it away from the investor class. The pendulum has swung too far, and I think that black people have to be. Be in charge of their rebuilding effort. It can't be as the white people in the government's that out and say okay. We're going to give you an opportunity zone. This isn't about an opportunity. Though this is is about black people, building equity for themselves and forty, each other and being funded by an infrastructure investment, and you could save hundreds of billions of dollars in funding and technical support turnaround. Countries, most disadvantaged communities like you can focus on you know disparities. In early childhood schools, higher, education, skills and training, employment, health and environmental conditions. You could literally turn the hood around tomorrow and ownership, and then what I would say is to make sure that in that was infrastructure investments that middle class white people are also reassured. These reparations aren't being taken from you that it's an investment in rising out and creating a much stronger class throughout the country, but also making sure that that they're reassured that resources will also be available for them seem so crazy when his problems right and they say okay well, we can cut a trillion dollar check to bring the economy back, and then we look at all our community and said Damn. You could cut these checks file communities years ago if it was dad easy to make the money that's. And that's what three trillion dollars in pandemic and we don't even know where went? Exactly! What do you can you can? You can increase access to capital, both debt and equity, support and black on banks. Because they'll black on. Banks are going to make sure that you know people get money for. Entrepreneurs are. Hormone all that and I definitely feel like the marijuana business has to come back into the communities in so many people were sent to jail for marijuana convictions and law so much. I think all the money they're. They're making from marijuana and they're going to make a percentage of that has to go towards these programs as well, and that's another great point, because look man I truly believe our black I'd be in jail because when I was growing up I pulled. But. I was getting pass. It was drugs and alcohol and and Shenanigans vandalism. If you're trying to tell me that black kids in this country do more jobs and white kids nope bowl. But why kids don't go to jail for? Because it's just part of being a kid, right? So. We've criminalized. Either teenage, so let's say we did you something like that? Play it out. Who runs it somebody like Obama, somebody like like you need a point person of Robert Smith. Yeah Smith Races African American in America. Why not start making this a concrete proposition and start putting names and numbers and things? And and Realized it in a way that we haven't been able to do before. I got more with John. Stewart. When we come back, don't move. Is The breakfast club goons? EJ Envy Angela Ye. Shall I mean the Guy We? All the breakfast club was still kicking Jon Stewart. Show me you know that's interesting that you say that because I mean you got legislation passed and you got people paid with the nine. The nine eleven bill of course is how how difficult was. Incredibly difficult, and the strangest thing was it was most difficult to convince those that supposedly represent patriotism in this country the most. It was Republican leaders who never fail on nine eleven to tweet out. Don't forget our heroes, but when you go to their office and go. And then I'm here with the heroes and three of them have stage four cancer, and this guy's on an oxygen machine, so what about that? As a New York problem You can't really prove that it came from that. So the government is set up to deny to continue the status quo so that the money flows to the people that they believe help entrench them in their positions. and. That's where it has to change what it's GonNa take is tremendous. Will almost more importantly tremendous stamina docile takes white men like you who have privilege and power to admit that white supremacy exists to admit that systemic racism exists I. Do feel like what's hard about that so people is you get defensive? Nobody likes to be called on the. Especially when they feel like it's not really there. When I started on the daily show right pretty much all white staff, mostly male and people would call me out on very about it, and I would get defensive until add to stop and think about it, you know there was an article written. There weren't enough women writers, and I was sexist and I was like sexist. I was raised by a single mother. My mother wore a t shirt that said woman. He's demand like a fish needs a bicycle and. I. I knew I was. And I remember back into the Riser Room and say he believed the. Cabin fever like. All now we got a policy that all submissions there'd be no names on it right because we thought that's the way to not be sexist racist. But we still touches hiring white dudes, and what we realized is the river that we were getting the material from the tributary was also polluted by the same commercial and you had to say to them. Send Me Women Send Me Black People, and all the sudden women got Sony's, but they've been funny all alone. We had writer of color. He and I got an argument. I did a bit about Cain where I adopted her McCain's accents. and to me is just as access but to that writer. Is a racist bit. And he called me out in a meeting with everybody around, and I got defensive and got mad. And it took me a long time to realize that the real issue was that we hired a person who is black and that because then they felt like they're carrying the weight of representation. That's right. They suddenly feel like I've got to be the speaker of. And that puts pressure on them, so we think we're doing the right thing, but we're not doing it in the right way. And those were hard lessons for me and they were humbling lessons. Here's another one socio economic. The television business radio business is run by. From Westchester Long Island right because the incentives weren't paid, so terms would come in and if you're going to hire somebody, where are you going to hire them? The people you've met already the dark mate, the only people who can do internships had parents that were rich enough. That could allow those kids to take a little time off to college. Live in New York City and do that job so the whole thing these he did we the nurse. And I don't consider myself a level, but my ignorance of that dynamic at real consequences. But she was willing to learn. I honestly think that most people are willing to learn. It's getting over the defensiveness to realize you're not being called racist or Or, maybe or or or or not giving so much of a somebody might call that. And be willing to say like I. We all have blind spots and we still have blind spots. I know I do, but for us to dismantle that entrenched tributaries that can continue to contribute to any quality of outcome of equity it takes. Effort is all gotta be intentional. Men Gotta be intentional when it comes to women, and why people ought to be attention when it comes to black, people scrape people's attention, and when it comes to gay people we to be intentional about. I think that's the perfect encapsulation of it. I got a couple more questions about the daily show. You I saw you, said you regret. The daily shows involvement in the evacuation expectation. evisceration I'm sorry. Sometimes, we'd ask someone like Jim Cramer or something like that. It's what what they would call. Good television show that up on the Internet or whatever? I don't regret that moment. But what I regret is sometimes you get in the mindset of creating those moments? Those moments weren't. Yeah. It's like you're. It's like you're you're people pleasing too much like instead of going in there and doing what's natural? You WanNa. Do what you just saw work, so you WanNa do that again? It happens it happens to radio to and then the second thing I think that's important to do, and this is artist. One is to yourself. Forgiving Yourself. There's the key to getting over your own defensiveness and and imperfections right. I had to learn to forgive myself for being wrong in situations, and that hurting people, and not wanting to, but we have to be able to start having honest conversations because it's like everything else. You don't fix something if you don't get to. What's really the cancer at the bottom of? A period of time people that you were going to come back I. You enjoying this behind the scenes more though. No look at this face this basement, young man. Aging. GUACAMOLE president. Of America I feel like I took that conversation as far as I could take it from my own. And that show deserved and that audience deserves somebody who is going to bring a different perspective and an enthusiasm and an insight that I can't. And I think we've seen that. Play Out! To me, diversity is still technology. You know what I mean. It's like an old person when they get a smartphone. It's new and I can work it but it's not my kids naked on the phone. It just is trevor in this moment. Just is. Am I still have to work and I don't say that in the way of like white guilt I. Don't mean it like that I mean. I didn't see the whole field, and by not seeing the whole field well enough I wasn't able to make the kinds of changes that I should have made that the speed and I should have made. Wow, this is. We're always going to get it right. You know and that's what their views for house. Exactly? What his? Yeah. That was great. We appreciate you. Tell us why title resistible why relevant to the plot of the film? Because, sometimes you can trap somebody with. Would lower that you know would be irresistible land. THAT LOUIS US out. Somebody views the world through that prism of conflict and left versus right and rural versus city. You can lay out something for them date. That you know they're gonNA take. Take debate, everytime. Did that God Damn Pastry represent that in the movie. To God's. Who got you got? You got through got through? Guys who got you got you and even when he I'm not going to give it away. Yeah, Yeah Yeah Yeah Brilliant Movie John. Stewart brilliant movie man well. Thank you for calling and checking in and you know. Stay up with us, sometimes you know. Guys thank you so much for the conversation I really got gotTa Hang Tag. All right just is the breakfast club good morning. Everybody is TJ envy. Angela Ye shall guy. We are the breakfast club. Let's get to the rumors. Let's Talk Eminem. About. IS THE RUMOR REPORT? On the breakfast club. Yes so an old version of a song, Conway, the Machines Bang from two thousand nineteen has leaked out, and it has m. and m's original feature, and he's going in on revolt and Joe. Button. Josh how puffy combs listen to this shelter. Get. 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FDA is for voters, the staff record label and mother, Ephron crew and gotTa. WASI led by. Skin Lake de so much. I guess probably because record new assigned. Yeah, it's old, but I think you know because it what Joe Biden said about him and he probably feels like. I thought we was cool I. You know you assigned to the label and he probably feels like he was betrayed. I write little. Yati crashed his Ferrari on a freeway in Atlanta after hydroplaning. How scary is that? So? They said Fortunately, he was able to walk away with just minor injuries to his arm, and that's it so that's the most important thing. We're not sure what's going to happen with Farai, but they're saying it's totaled. Total forty eight spider Ferrari's I would new about three hundred thirty thousand dollars, but he has his life. That's the only thing that Madison. He has his life, he he walked away alive. Thank God. I write. I write. Jimmy Kimmel has announced that he is going on vacation. And that is after a lot of controversies been happening like this black face sketch their resurface where he's playing Carl Malone on comedy. Central's the man's show. Listen to this. Night all below. Sky Say what the hell going on up there. On other planet, foreign home like Et. Carmello read al-tv about why people getting deducted by alien sticking Altana Hill. And that's a damn thing. Now in addition to that, they've been circulating this clip of an interview that he did back in two thousand nine with Megan. Fox where she was recalling an experience with director Michael Bay from when she was a teenager, and she was working as an extra. I'm bad boys two. She said she was only fifteen years old. And here's what happened. I had just turned fifteen and I was an extra in Baggoi's to. At yeah, they were shooting this club scene and they brought me in, and I was wearing a stars and Stripes Bikini in a red cowboy hat, and like six inch heels, and he approved it, and they said you know Michael, she's fifteen. You can't sit at the bar and she can't have a drink in her hand, so his solution to that was to then have me dancing underneath a waterfall getting soaking wet. That's sort of a microcosm of how as mind year well, yeah, well, it's really a microcosm of how all our minds worse but some. Some of us have the decency to repress those. And pretend that they don't exist yet. Jimmy, that shouldn't have been a week. Mess should have been a some men starts, but if you felt that way, you know, he said it. Is Dead wrong but honest. We really need to have a broader discussion about all of this. Because everybody has the right to be offended, everybody had the right to be upset but I have issue with retroactive outrage, retroactive punishments for things that were already public, because it was public. That means it was appropriate at the time. The context of time mad is because the eighties, nineties and early two thousand was a wild ad fiasco time. If you sit at home and watch some of those old movies TV shows listen to music. You're absolutely say how the hell did. We get away with some of this stuff and if you didn't grow up in era and And and and and when you look back and taking some of that content, yeah, you probably going to be appalled. I'm sure you will be, but it was a different world back then when I say, we are in a whole new world from where we were as far as censorship and pushing things to the edge, we are in a whole new world. I think people went to me. Kim suggests address it, though Jimmy Fallon addressed his black face sketch that he did of Chris Rock and said he made a terrible decision, and he was sorry for making that offensive decision at the time he said. Thank all of you for holding me accountable, so the only. Problem with that is no these people were hurt by an even not that they were hurt by back then. Maybe they didn't get the apology that they wanted back. Then so natty comes back out now. They could be getting apology. They need it back. Then you know I mean. acknowledged. Somebody's people probably weren't even born back and I and I. Also think they're going to do those retroactive punishments. You gotTA. Punish everyone involved not just the individual you gotta points. The produces to riders to standards and practices anybody that green lit those things, but I don't think it should be punishment. It should be a conversation about composition. Right how coaches shifted, and yes, you're right. You should acknowledge that that was wrong. Right and how they're sitting sitting, continue moving forward, but we need to have a conversation about context. And how coacher shifted 'cause boy when they start digging into the eighties, nineties and early two thousand is going to be a lot of apologies. Cameras being punished. He's taking a break from the show and here's what he had to say about taking a break. Tonight is my last new show for the summer I'm taking the summer off to spend even more time with my family I've been doing this job for almost eighteen years of three thousand, one hundred thirty shows, and there's nothing wrong families l.. D. I'm healthy. I just need a couple of months right, so he's decided to take a break just to be with family. He said he needs a couple of months off. And all these things have been surfacing. So that's what it is I mean. It's not like he's got punished or lost his job. Your. I still think it needs to be a broader conversation, not not just with Kimmel, but just the whole context of the eighties, nineties and early two thousands. It was all a totally different world because you see what happened to. Jimmy Filing would happen to Howard. Stern you see what happens to you know. Well. We haven't seen happening hip hop yet. As far as like the continent avenue, but I mean you think about the movies. The TV shows like it's just we should have a context about how coaches shifty, but you know at the thing is when it does affect people like Megan Fox, trending yesterday. Right and if you know the full story of what happened to her, she basically. Basically, Kinda got blackballed from the business because my Kobe was saying that she's terrible to work with He called her an unfriendly bitch. He says she's a porn star. He called Sour Patch dumb as a rock, and he said when facing the press, Mega Queen, talking trailer trash and posing like a porn star, and yes, we've had the unbearable time watching her try to. Set and yes, it's very cringe. -able to maybe being a porn star in the future might be a good career option, but make up where she has a paragraph, tattooed her backside, probably due to her rotten childhood easily another forty five minutes in the chair, so that was a letter that Michael Bay actually wrote an open letter, and so. I think when things like that can affect people's career later on in the future because Megan, Fox's traumatized by certain things that happened to her, and she even said it on her own social media posts. You know that there are people that she feels like needs to be held accountable y'all know what? I'm talking about content, but anyway I'm Angela Guy and that is your room report. It was a public letter that he wrote about Meghan. I'm talking I'm yeah, but I'm just talking about continent. I wasn't talking about making fuck. I'll talking about the content that people put out all right well. We'll you me your donkey to look four after the hour we need to have a conversation about you know this disease on this planet that has just caused, but having on this planet since day one and that is old white men will discuss for after the hour all right. We'll get into that next. Keep Lot this. The breakfast club good morning. I was born in. The donkey. Stomach. Devil. Breakfast. Club doc today for Tuesday June. Twenty third goes to Laney College professor in name Matthew Hubbard Matthew, I. Don't know you you made this weird. Okay. You made this awkward I would think that when you are a teacher professor. Your job is to make kids comfortable I don't care if it's college a grade. School Kid I've insecurities. Everyone is trying to do their best, and you should encourage that okay, but state you are the adult who wants to make things awkward, okay for kids and magnify whatever in a issues. These young adults may have now. Laney College has put Matthew Hubbard on leave because he asked the kid to change their name. In fact, he told the student anglicized their name. That means to make your name English the reason Matthew told the student to change. Their name is because Matthew said it sounded like an insult in English in fact on the second day of class. Matthew sent an email to the student asking her Vadim to anglicised her name because it sounds like an insult in English. The call Kathy. What a student told CNN. She was shocked and felt disrespected. Buddy email as she should have been, and at the professor had never seen her before are asked her how to pronounce her name. The student replied back and told Matthew. His request felt discriminatory in warranty. She would file a complaint if he did not refer to her by her birth name, he responded by saying her name in English found like an insult, and did matthew replied if I lived in Vietnam and my name, and your language sounded like eat a Dick Gregory. To avoid embarrassment, he also then repeated his request for her to change her name in his reply. Laney college president to meal Gilbertson said in a statement on Thursday that the college was aware of the allegations of racist and xenophobic messages from a faculty member at college with the student about the pronunciation of their name. We take these allegations seriously and immediately placed a faculty member on administrative leave pending an investigation of. Matthew Hubbard told The New York Times. The first email was a mistake and I made it thinking about another student willing to anglicized, but the big difference, which someone doing it voluntarily and asking and asking someone to do it. The second email is very offensive, and if I had waited eight hours, I would have written something very different. This is exactly why historically we call white men devil. Okay, this is why nobody likes. Likes old white men? Okay guys like this. Give every old white man a bad name. This is a classic case of Whiteness okay, old white men can't help but to be racist. Because when you are old white male, you have always benefited from the power that comes with privilege. Okay, the Patriarchy is in your blood. Okay, it's in your blood. They get a a marginalized person to change their name because Matthew. US slave masters and slave name is the name given by others to enslave person are name inherited from enslaved ancestors, so you just couldn't help yourself. You wanted this young woman to change her name because you thought it sounded like an insult Huda, hell a you white man, okay, go ahead and lead people hell alone. Now I know you wondering. What is this Young Woman's name? Okay? What what? What about? This young woman's name did this? All white man finds so insulting. I would like to know my so. Let's go to ABC seven. Seven footer report police, the Asian American Laney College Freshmen who was told by her professor via email to change her name to sound more anglicized math professor Matthew Hubbard says in emails to the Student Foot Boy Dan win that her name sounded like the F. Word and asked change it now. When she declined citing discrimination, he refused to use her given name Hubbard declined multiple requests for an interview, but tweeted an apology to win whose family confirms he sent an email to her as well Hubbard has been placed on administrative leave and. And Laney College is investigating I. Don't hear what was insulting about her name. Drama. Isolate her name from me. I. Need I need to know what I'm missing that. 'cause I don't hear play. Football Dan win. No I. Just I don't get. It played played again Phuc Brady Dan Win Nope Matthew. Hubbard is just being racist will need to mind his business and ignored his ancestors. The telling him to do put our name in hd so I can hear it maybe. I'm missing something because I don't hear footballing Dan win no I. I I don't get it, but I do know that student a great statement. She says she felt empowered not to change her name at his insistence, she says she decided to fully embrace it and let everyone know that they should be proud of their name. She a proud foot boy, okay, and I salute her a right. She says through this incident. She has been able to raise awareness of what's happening and has helped others be a proud of their culture, okay and identity traveling Aclu's bombs for foot. Boys everywhere damage okay. He's also still waiting on a sincere and professional apology from Mr Hubbard well. One thing you will learn in life food boy is that the white man never gives those okay. We still waiting on my bad about slavery, so get in line in the meantime. Please let Kathy Griffin Give Matthew Hubbard the credit. He deserves being stupid. Please give this giant male the biggest hee haw. People are crazy. God All right well. Thank you for donkey of the day. Now up next John, Legend will be joining us. We'll kick it with John Legend where we come back. Don't move. Is The breakfast club? Good morning the breakfast club. J. N. V. Leash Alameda Guy we all the breakfast club. We got a special guest on the line right now. Just to had a great fathers. A as you say father's Day. Sunday John Legend. Ladies and Gentlemen Good Morning Good. Morning Well how? that. How was your father's Day I was that father's Day was good. Surprise me she had a catered dinner in backyard. And she? Cheated me like a king. It was nice. What is it like to release the album and this time in these days? Well different, you know we used to be an out like going out to new promotion so everything different, but we. We're making it work. Can you put out music? That doesn't. That isn't a soundtrack for what's going on right now. Yeah, you know I thought about that because I was writing it before all this happened I wrote it mostly in twenty, nineteen wrote a few joins like in January and February of this year, and then I was done writing and I felt like I had a dope album by you know, beginning of March and then soon as Mars comes. Comes around. Everybody's on lockdown and the whole world change so the question is do scrap all of that and to make something that's right in his mouth, or you get people what you made you. Which is what I made? It was an album. This more loving and joyful and hopeful. I think it was great marketing to actually do the vs on the same day that the album came out. It makes perfect sense because. I mean it's been cleared at every every birth that had been good for the artist. Just a you know a lot of the artists you know haven't been making a lot of new music, so it brought them back to people's attention you at least we're kind of different, because we still make music datum, still making releases and all this stuff, but most of my versus been. You know educating people on what I had done in the past. You know many years ago. some of this stuff. I play nine, hundred, ninety, nine, two, thousand and three You know people know that I was behind the scenes. Still my thing, even before you. I heard gifted. Was On everything and everything yeah. How. Do I. How did that come about? The girl named Tara, my show. I was directing his church choir while I was in college, so part of the way I paid for like my experiences in schools I was. The director of music at this church and of the. Choir members was a girl who had gone to school with Lawrenceville, and she was like I'm not to go to the studio. She's working on her solo album. Do you WanNa? come in the studio with me and so I went to the studio with her, and just chilling Louis not trying to get away. You know she was like John. Wants, you play a couple of songs for her because. I want her to hear you know. What you can do it so I played one of my own saw. Two. And then I played. stevie wonder song, and then she's like one lauren was like. Why don't you play on his record? We're working now I. Play Piano on the record, and I was the first major recording. Wow did you do it for free? I got five hundred dollars. Credit. On a classic album. Exactly I was I was very happy with that at all I needed now. Let's talk about the versus bad a little bit. Because obviously you unleash the keys have worked together. You guys are friends. So how did y'all even decide 'cause I know you both have been talking about it for quite some time and we kind of had a feeling. It was going to happen so wet solidified that Whoa I. I was doing radio for my new music and I think I was talking to Nick Cannon. and. He was like well. WHO WOULD YOU Would you do versus where? And how did I feel like the one that would make the most sense at Lisa keyed and I said. In fact, I think we should play it live. You know I was like you know. Do some of the songs on the Piano Piano Piano? With and Alicia saw it. And and swift hit me up. He called me in and we talked about it and. And that was it. I was like my bad for calling your wife out in public. But you know could be good curly in Everybody was into it, and we know from the beginning at all, because we really respect each other, and we didn't want it to be a celebration. What did you? What did you say about Teddy Riley's wife? You said something steady rally like John. Legend US all jokes. What did you say about? Teddy rallies? Far y'all got leave Teddy Valley alone and. When I had a technical moment. The track wasn't planned. Properly are on a rally, you're. Just playing with him, you know I love Teddy and We got a rough time getting it together sometime for the for the birds of battle, but I think. have worked it out so everybody you know everybody's technical aspect or a little more on point now and they. They had a set up. There were no major problems Gotcha now I know it was all love. Who who do you think one because I'm not gonNA lie, pick the leasing to wash U.. I picked the league. Not because you not super talented John, but just at least you got a lot of records. A lot of records. I think she has more solo hit than I have, but I think what I was able to show. People was I was doing and. Record the video of the part of. And I think that's what the cool thing about versus is is you could show people behind the things work. You did as well and so I think you know we're going to judge what they WANNA judge in, so you let the people decide? Who is barely even and I love our collaboration? Just thought it was a good night from using it. Was it was? You're like man I miss. This minority should have played this one also. Not really honestly, I felt like I play. The rights are like one or two. That were on bubble for me. I could could've played one of the other, but I didn't like. It would have made a big difference. I feel like I picked the right join. John Let's talk about the new album. You got a bigger love. What that phrase me new? Album is joy. And Song about you know resilient and hope and making it work all the challenges. I was GONNA. Ask you a Chrissy I see I'll play a lot. Does it ever go to baby you go into for you. Call me you call me that name. Enough is enough. You can't be calling me names. Because you see, 'cause you a bitch a lot. John sheesh petered. Call me a bit. Up when when? With US mad about the song lyric as she said a bit to me and Can't. The, let's be clear. A whole another story. That is not a not a normal part of our conversations. That even in the bedroom, if y'all getting Spicy, oh no! No. She's never. talked. About the album I was going to say like how you started it off with a nice little throwback to do. What sounds I thought that was really sweet, so? What made you decide to do that world? That's all. Oak felder produce and when we talked about that, we should do song where do off. Track. And so we got some eight hundred eight. We got the do pocos. I only have eyes for you sample if It is just the perfect track to open up the islanders fresh good. It's sexy and it's a beautiful beginning to our. We got more with John Legend. When we come back, don't move. Is the Breakfast Club gamonal reporting? Everybody is TJ Envy Angela Ye. Shall I mean the guy we are? The breakfast club was still kicking with John. Lennon shallow me. You know in early June John You. Said your friendship with Kanye West has evolved WH-. What does that mean? Saying we're in a different place now because I'm not I had a five album deal with. And that deals so We don't have a direct business relationship anymore and then He's up in Wyoming most of the time and we're still cool, but we don't see each other that much for work or you know we're not living in the same place. And he was trying to make it about politics being so different. Yeah, and. Politics have been different for a while now and that that is what it is as you can tell from my I'm I'm not shy about you. Know being proud of the work. We did together because we do some great Portuguese. Absolutely you think. With somebody now, who's a trump supporter like? If you think you'd be like real, cool with somebody who is a huge trump? I mean a new friend. It'd be different to make a new friend like me and Kinda got so much history. It's like you don't get rid of a princess because of. But new in. A. Knock from the secret service going hard on twitter sometimes. To? We never threatened his life. You never said anything about his. You know anything about his life, we just. Just just demeaned his character because he has no no character. Now. Your wife is definitely called the president of Bitch, Oh, yeah. Bitch. When you when you're when you're five I'm deal was up I'm sure they made a play to resign you right? No, you know when you're starting to producers production company at that point a career you're like. Like you're in a different power position at that point your career and partly due to the fact that Connie. How blow me up I was into this. Why didn't have to signed anybody's production company? I just do my own deal So you know there was never any doubt that I would just sign my own after that five. Up, but like I said I wouldn't be where I am without doing now deal with Congress on have no regrets. What do you what is yet? That's on the word urban now that they're not gonNA use that at the grammys anymore. Bourbon was a it was like talking around what you were trying to say. I didn't think it was racist or anything. I thought it was like colonising what you were trying to say, but not really saying it using urban as a as a replacement for plaques. Always felt imprecise to me so I feel like just call it what it is if it's black music and it just call the black music, if rb or soul or reggae or any other. MUSIC THAT WE MAKE A. Call, it what it is. This love of blackness that we're seeing from these corporations and the music industry. You think it's going to last. You think just a train. Why think some of it is just a trend Everybody's filling pressure right now. because people are protesting. People are seeing you know horrific videos about are people getting suffocated in the streets, and all that so there is clear how raise and there's clear. There's a clear moment where people are really paying attention to black five. I feel like some of these companies will do these little statements and do these little INSTAGRAM Post. Post or whatever and then go about their regular business, but hopefully some of them will actually change and to me change look like actually hiring black people, other people of Color having heard in the executive suite to see like actual inclusion inside the places where the decisions are being made where the budgets are being determined, and the money's being spent not an instagram post. So how do we make that happen? Because you know, I believe hope is not a strategy. You believe hope is a strategy. Hoping the you'll like being a part of the fuel is used to get the work done because. You believe that if I, keep working something we'll get it done and so I think we do have to keep pressuring these companies the government all of them to do the right thing and that requires to nasty requires a vigilance requires transparency data all these things of open part of it. If you look at what the activists you know, people that started black lives, matter and you know other organizations have been doing. They've been working on this stuff. You know when nobody's really paying attention. And so they were ready for this moment and so that means we have to stay vigilant. We have to continue to organize and and and be activists in. A. Big moment like this, we see new guys give a couple of hundred thousand to the protesters that were locked up to make sure that their lawyers and bail was taken care of. A Bell Fund, we also get the Movement for black. Live and then I always give to other organizations that are supporting ending mass, criminalization, mass, incarceration, and That's an ongoing thing for us and for me particularly. Have you ever had any? Yourself personally. We've. Nothing turned vinik but a like when I was in college they. Stopped me for no reason. Just having to prove that we're not a criminal. It gets frustrating sometimes, and you can understand why sometimes brothers will be there because like this ongoing indignity of having to prove that you should be. Places where you did and that you're not a threat and I've definitely had to do with it myself know. I was GONNA ask how how's this quarantine? Slow things down at your TV Your TV and film production company. You've got very successful production company. I, don't know if people know. Yes get lifted We've been putting out some great stuff We were cooperative on the special last night. We produced a documentary that series that was on hbo called Atlanta's missing and murdered about the Atlanta child murders, and we have some great stuff that we're working on we have. We were going to start rhythm and flow a little earlier on this year, but we've had to push back a little bit because we have seasons to over them, emplo coming. Soon as soon as we can get all the production happening, so you know some things were delayed, but was still moving, and we're still excited about what we have gone of course star showcase was our comedy music. Show that We did a black history month in June special that aired on Friday so and then We just got announced that we got picked up season two for that, so we're excited about that, so we got a lot of being happening and I'm excited the work. What what happened to the black walls? Can you project with or something? Now I see like it's like three Black Wall Street documentaries coming out what happened with that exactly? We were just talking about that with clue because we had originally. Planned to do it with Hulu and and it didn't get picked up and we literally just wrote an email to our exact. That Blue Light Yo y'all got to fix up. This is very relevant right now, and we need to be told and so we're going to try to resuscitate. Reply. We got an. Email, they replied. All right well. Thank you, John Legend for checking-in. We appreciate you you outright now. Big Love Your. Yes, thank you for joining us. Already it's the breakfast club. John Legend. The Breakfast Club. Spilling the team, this is the rumor report with Angela. On the breakfast, Club. NBC Universal is removing four episodes of thirty rap from streaming services in syndication, because characters had black phase. Now they remove these at the request of Tina. Fey and Robert Carla. Who are the show's Co creators Tina fey released a statement as we strive to do the work and do better in regards to race in America. We believe that these episodes featuring actors in a race changing makeup are best taken out of circulation. I understand now that intent. Intent is not a free pass for white people to use these images. I apologize for pain. They have caused going forward. No comedy, loving kidneys to stumble on these tropes and be stung by their ugliness. I, think NBC Universal for honoring this requests and there you have it and we've already told you about gone with the wind being removed from Hbo Max and they're going to return that to the streaming services with disclaimer about historical context as well. All Right Blake Griffin has recalled experiencing racism in high school. And you Kinda look back, and but that was pretty racist. This was an episode of Armchair expert with Dax Shepard as the host and listen to this, so my parents did a really really really good job of Jews rising above it, and so there's situations that my brother and I look back now, and we're like allow. That was like that was racist. You know what I mean like. Because my parents didn't give it the power. It didn't affect us, either which I didn't realize what's happening at the time, but remember girls in high school saying Oh, I like you. I like to, but like I can never date you like. Why like? My Dad won't let me he's right. I'm sure everybody has had those experiences. Hell is it's been. A Bobby Brown's Book Janet Jackson wouldn't bring Bobby Brown on because she said Joe wouldn't want her to bring a black man on. What happens Yeah Blake Griffin. His mother's white. His father is black, and this was while growing up in Oklahoma so mercy. I A fortnight has has moved cop cars from their game amid please protests so they. The shooter survivor video game has removed those cars. And they were you know fortnight. Obviously, he's a super popular game. Even I play fortnight at some point now plays never used a police vehicles. They were just for decoration, so there's just removed those from the game period. What. Why does getting Kinda crazy? Ridiculous It wasn't actually cancel patrol. No better not they definitely GONNA cancel Paul Patrol better not. They know what I know. They better not. It's only a matter of time well. Let's source told The Wall Street Journal. I wouldn't say it's a political statement. I think it's just as being sensitive about the issue. Many people in our audience are dealing with your need, some sort of law enforcement though you need some sort of law enforcement you've you just can't have no police officers. It'll be anarchy and streets like if somebody break into. Into Your House right now who you gonNA, call ghostbusters. No, YOU'RE GONNA. Call it a Goddamn police. Okay, so so you need some type of law and order you just need you just need a better form of law and order to police need a crowd reformed and I hate people that say nine calling who you're gonNA. Call Him. We call so my breaking housecall. Stop stops the damn lie. I write Singha. Mario says that he recalls being stopped by by Miami police and he said he was held at gunpoint until a female officer recognized him now he said three months ago he was driving in Miami with a friend who has a license to carry a concealed gun and his friend got into an argument with another man he's at my friend, pulled out a gun, and so the other guys, so I got out to defuse the situation. He said he managed to calm everyone down. The other guy with the gun eventually left is my boy got in his car? He put his gun in the armrest, and then he went to his building to use the bathroom and. And left the gun, but Mario said he didn't realize somebody had called the police they had witnessed altercation called. The police said to cops came up to the car with their guns drawn shouting. He said I forgot about the gun that was in the armrest, and when they asked me if there were any guns in Carson. No, there's no guns in the car. The officers then told him not to move, and he put his hands up and the COP said. There's a gun right there. Why did you lie to me and he was trying to explain, but then that's when the woman who was a cop appeared and said wait, aren't you? Mario and he was like yeah. And he told them don't shoots, and so he said he did experience racism, but he says I've also experienced privilege as an artist as an artist I will say we do have privilege whether it's sports entertainment, we see power and all these different spaces, but with that also comes privilege. All. Yeah! He's right. He's absolutely right Dave. About again pulled over, and the COP was like your day Chapelle. Know who you are or who absolutely? That's the fact I write. Nicki Menaj has congratulated the barbs because trolls is number one on billboard's hot one hundred songs chart this week. Here's what he had to say. To this with no playlist thing and no radio sofas to do that debut winning. That's insane so I love you guys so much. We just did the highest pure sales of the year, so yeah, the one thing she doesn't want to get off our chest. Though is things that have been going on in this industry for just way too long as well. Yeah, like a love them going number one with no radio play and no real support. That's that's big congratulations to them arrival I'm Angela and that is your room a report all right? Thank Miss E now We'll see you guys in a little bit. Shout to revoke everybody else. People's choice mixes up next, eight, hundred, five, eight five. Five one zero five one. Call US up. which a request is memphis leaks birthday to someone? Get some sleep on in the mix site. Is Breakfast locomotive putting? Everybody is TJ Envy Angela Ye shall together. We are the breakfast club now. We gotTA shout to the John's joining us this morning. John Legend and John Stewart, yes, loot John, Stewart and John Legend irresistible I enjoyed it I saw some ladder reviews foyt, but I I thoroughly enjoyed the movie i. think that it's a good way to make. People understand where we're at in American politics in a very entertaining way, so if I think it comes out this weekend, so check it out if you if you get a chance to. All right. All Right Hi when we come back, we got the positive note. Move is the breakfast club good morning. Everybody is DJ envy. Angela. Ye Shall I mean the Guy We all the breakfast club now. you guys be safe out. There supposed to be a beautiful day I. GO I. See nobody's social distance I see. Nobody is supposed to be doing people out and about I. Don't know days over I. It's summertime. You know the it's nice. People want to be out. They've been cooped up for the past three months. It's going to be very hard to get people to social distancing the summertime. Very hard. People out, you wear your mask. 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#246  Police Training & Police Misconduct

Making Sense with Sam Harris

1:42:08 hr | 2 months ago

#246 Police Training & Police Misconduct

"Welcome to the making podcast. This is sam harris. Okay we'll today's yet another. Psa this time on the topic of police violence and the relevance of jujitsu training to mitigating. Some of the problems there too damn speaking with henner gracie and henner. If you don't recognize the name is a third generation member of the legendary gracie family that is credited with creating brazilian jujitsu in large measure. And passing it down through now. Three generations where hefner and his brother here on our some of the best teachers on the planet and they focused in recent years on teaching police officers the skills. They need to apprehend in control suspects without significantly injuring them printer. Jitsu as you'll hear is uniquely good for this and the train is being made available to police departments. All over the country and henin here runner at the forefront of this not only people doing it but they are amazingly effective at what they do as. You'll hear this conversation is a true. Psa and almost an infomercial for this kind of training. And it's not an accident weird a moment now in the public perception of policing that is nothing short of calamitous record this we're getting to the end of the derek chauvin trial it's of course not yet clear what the verdict will be there as you'll hear henner and i are both quite clear in leaving aside. The chauvin case for the purposes of today's discussion is certainly not an example of pervasive missile standing of police procedure. I think anyone. Who saw the killing of george floyd recognized that We were witnessing a shocking instance of police misconduct and just what level a jury will soon decide. But for instance in recent days. Since i recorded this conversation with hanner. There's been the case of dante right. A motorist who was shot and killed by police officer in minnesota. And if you've seen the video it's about as clear as it can be that the police officer kimberly and potter thought. She was drawing her tasers her when she was in fact drawing her firearm and when she shot dante right she was horrified to discover that she had her gun in hand. As you'll hear this is relevant because the police reliance on tasers is not without risk in this case risk of the extremely negative outcome of drawing your firearm by accident but the overall picture here is that our police officers are shockingly tipped to deal with the challenges. They face so when members of the general public believe. They're witnessing the murderous sadism and racism of an oppressive police force in many cases. That's not at all was on display. What we're seeing are people who are poorly trained and very much in over their heads. Once things turned violent. And i really don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the pervasive misunderstanding of what's happening here is tearing our country apart. So in the hopes of doing some small thing to help rectify that i wanted to have a full discussion with henner on this point of just what it takes for a police officer to arrest someone who is resisting arrest so and i break that down here and we talk about the kind of training that should be available more and more to police officers and there are few people who are working harder to make that happen then henner and his brother here. On their the chief instructors had gracie university which is a global jujitsu organization is headquartered in southern california. They have over. One hundred and eighty brick and mortar locations worldwide affiliated with them and over three hundred thousand students learning online at gracie university dot com and they have over twenty years of experience teaching law enforcement professionals. And we talk about some of the recent successes here which hopefully will be a sign of things to come. And now without further delay i bring you heather gracie i am here with henner. Gracey hannah thanks for joining me. Sir how are you man my pleasure thanks for having me and Yeah how's it going. Yes i i was telling my My producer stacy that this is the the marriage of One of the lower energy voices on earth my own and one of the higher energy voices on earth yours. and and. so i'm i'm gonna have to snort cocaine over here or something to bridge the distance between us or you're going to slow it down. I think it will create the perfect marriage and Your your your all your listeners. And fans will be in for delightful perfectly balanced conversation about the state of law enforcement jujitsu. And whatever else you wanna talk about. Yeah yeah so. Let let some a set this up properly. So i i met spoken about self defense and and martial arts and jujitsu in various places on the podcast before but you contact me because many of us are seen troubling signs in police behavior and training and ideas about what should be legal and illegal in terms of how the escalation of force procedure on the side of the cops and there's just so much confusion about what is going on in the world with respect to the cops and violence both warranted an unwarranted. And as you do a lot of train you and your brother here on who's been my main jujitsu teacher to a lot of training with the police until we really wanna jump into that and talk about it and obviously it incredibly timely conversation given that you know we are now recording this during the trial of derek. Chauvin for the killing of george floyd and so there's a lot to say there before we jump into police procedure and violence per se. Let's just talk about jitsu and grappling generically and introduced us to how you come to know so much about this amount other. Set it up by saying that you and your brother part of the the gracie family which is this Legendary isn't isn't too strong. A word family in the martial arts community and you can talk briefly about the the history there. But i just want to say that the conversation we're going to have here is not really adequate to the topic. If people don't then go look at some of the video that we might reference of Of you guys training cops and you really teaching anything on the mat. I mean you the two of you are are two of the most gifted teachers of anything. I've ever come across so people really will link to some some videos that will be relevant on my website where we embed this podcast. But you know this. This is an audio document. that really requires Some visual aids in the end. So i just want to say that as a preamble and perhaps you can just briefly talk about the history of to jitsu and and you come to be talking about this appreciate it and i always appreciate the opportunity to share the the really my family's legacy of self defense and martial arts with a new audience. So thank you sam for having me on and for your dedication to this amazing martial art for so many years and yeah i. It's it's it's it's wise you to kinda give some come framework for for the listeners. To understand what's going on here because you as someone who practices the art. It's what we're going to talk about. Today is as common sense. And logical in terms of the major advancements that have been made in the recent ones in years in enforcement training as a result of jujitsu for you. It's absolutely makes sense because you have all that kind of that frame. That is the frame as a practitioner of the art but for listeners. Who do not have a history or even knowledge of jitsu and maybe exposure. Because it's such a a pop. Culture phenomenon now is mixed martial arts. Maybe your exposure is literally hearing about a ufc title fight and a technique or a armbar neck restraint or a chokehold. Being used that might be someone's exposure so understanding that that's the case i can give a brief breakdown of the family history and you know how we got news jitsu and what it was intended for and then how when the time comes how that translates perfectly into the the the use of in law enforcement today which we're absolutely involved in for the last twenty five. Plus years so you know the gracie family. My grandfather andrew gracie was the co creator of brazilian jujitsu. They learned it from his brother. Carlos who learned from japanese men in brazil. This is in the early nineteen hundreds and eventually when my grandfather started practicing he had difficulties with the japanese rendition of the art and because he was very small very frail very weak young man as a teenager so because of his physical frailties. He had no choice but to modify the techniques over several years to adapt his frail physique and those adaptations to the japanese predecessor. Give birth to. What is known. Today as brazilian jujitsu or gracie jiu jitsu depending who. You're learning it from. And you know that happened. In brazil and early. Nineteen hundreds and to test the efficacy of these techniques. My grandfather started engaging in challenge matches fights with other representatives of other martial arts think mixed martial arts but before it was called that these are no rules fights between two masters of their crafts really to from a from a scientific perspective to understand what works. What doesn't that happened. In brazil for decades and my grandfather fought all comers and so did his some of his brothers so these are the gracie challenge matches started in brazil. And then my father brought the art to america. Nineteen seventy eight got established in his garage here in southern california in hermosa beach and continued teaching at his garage and also having these challenge matches in the garage where you know he would meet a karate master through a student of his in. The garage was introduced to a karate master or taekwando master in these challenge. Matches would happen between two arts and there was really no rules. It was listen. You do i do when you're knocked out or passed out or tap out. We stop until then we keep fighting and again these were professionals really believing in their crafts. Go in there and invariably these representatives of these other disciplines would get submitted and neutralize very quickly minutes sometimes less than a minute and it was almost unbelievable to them how effective jujitsu was. And the reason. Why do so effective. If i had to summarize it in a nutshell why did you do to is so good is because we're other martial arts rely on speed strength power and explosiveness and surprise attack and violence in that manner jujitsu above everything else. Violates the distance from which traditional fights are right rather than standing toe to toe and swinging to see who knocks the other personnel who aims to close the distance. Control the subject. Take the person to the ground or surface where their strikes no longer have power because they don't have their feet planted and the proper distance to deliver that strike there now on the ground flailing don't know what to do. And then the ju jitsu person who's more comfortable in that grappling distance controls them until they exhaust and invariably the opponent the untrained adversary the non jujitsu opponent in that case. We'll make a mistake by exposing a lamb or a neck join of some sort and then the jitsu practitioner will use leverage not but leverage full body mechanics to isolate one of the limbs or neck of the subject and then apply submission. That will render them into submission at that point. They they have no choice but to tap out or suffer extreme bodily harm if the pressure would be applied to his max capacity or capability which ninety nine times out of one hundred is a necessary because jujitsu trained expert. There knows that they have full control. They get compliance or they get cooperation or in this case a tap out during a challenge match and the fights over and in many cases. It's you know. And you see these videos or online if you look gracie challenge matches their on youtube from the garage days from here random colleges and does and that's kind of how the west was one and then my father and his partner art davie were the co creators for the ufc. And that's where the whole thing took another form because it was basically using the using television as a platform to make these challenge matches to the world so that everyone around the world could say well how karate going to do against boxing against sumo against judo against kickboxing against jujitsu. Like what's going to happen and believed it was possible. They made it happen. It was more successful than they imagined and and today fast forward. Several owners right. My father sold his interest. After the first i think five installments and then at that point it changed hands a couple of times to the potato brothers who've been got a hold of it and with dana white's help made it. A you know spectator sport on television. Made it a sanction for and then it blew up in today. Everyone knows jujitsu kind of in that lens. But i think the important part for this discussion. Is that the people. At the at the core of shitsu right the gracie family and you know people that we've taught and other instructors who've made their life no that above everything else. Jujitsu is the art that gives a smaller less physically fit powerful less athletic person the ability to defend themselves and control and overcome a larger more thematic person by way of distance management by way of vodka or leverage and bhai way of energy efficiency and through those processes control someone in a relatively nonviolent manner neutralize them exhaust their energy and then ultimately win the fight with a leverage based joint lock or chokehold. And that's what makes us so. Special is truly the the level of the playing field for smaller weaker individuals. Which is why it's taken just such a rapid escalation of popularity here with the with the assistance of the afc. It's now becoming the martial arts to learn as an adult or a child right. Were historically karate. And taekwondo were more associated with children right developing confidence and discipline more. Historically you'd see that association and someone got older they were stopped doing taekwondo karate jitsu with the opposite right. You're you're living proof of that and every other person who's just a lifelong fan and practitioner of the art. It's so engaging it's so effective it's so reliable and ultimately it allows people to neutralize violence without violence. And that's what i think has such pertinent to today's discussion regarding law. He i just want to pick up on a couple of points there. A one is just to for those who are not fans of mixed martial arts and don't really know the significance of of what happened in in the ufc in ultimate fighting championship which Law it was is nineteen ninety-three riots. the first one. Yeah november november twelfth nineteen ninety-three. Yes so your your father. Horan launched that. And you know it's become this major sport which is great but we should recall. It really was in the beginning. And and for the longest time remained a virtual science experiment to discover which martial art was the best really. I mean it's like under conditions of the minimal rules and they're now more rules than there. Were back in the day but virtually no rules apart from. I gouge in that. You could even if memory serves. You could even strike to the groin. In some of those first competitions or at least people did it was just it was as close to a street fight in a ring as anyone had ever seen and there were no weight classes and no time limits right and if i add was a it was a single elimination. Eight or sixteen men tournament in the same night year so three times to win in the same night with no time limit It's like the the movie. Game of death were bruce. Lee has to fight someone on every floor. If you're gonna win that thing you have to keep keep advancing through opponents and so your uncle heus gracie one to the astonishment of firstly. Everyone who didn't understand what was likely to happen here. The dominance that he showed in those initial ballots over people. Who were you know. Obviously bigger and stronger and obviously thought they were going to crush him and the fact that he did it all by as you say closing the distance and you know essentially strangling people. It was mystifying. And it created a total reset of the thinking around martial arts and martial arts competition and an since things have moved on. I mean the the primacy of jujitsu is is less noticeable now because people from every discipline whether they start out as a college wrestler or a even a standup striker of the if they going to get into mixed martial arts they're going to learn a lot of jujitsu at whether the whether they call it that or not because it is. It is the necessary foundation for grappling and and certainly submission the in in the sport now. So it's i shouldn't give the false sense. That jujitsu is all person needs to know now to succeed in mixed martial arts offices a lot of striking and specialization in that space but it has unique relevance to the topic at hand which is so much a matter of understanding how to control people when we when you're talking about the tools that are available to police officers to with a minimal amount of violence arrest. Somebody who they've decided to arrest the tools they have are quite limited and they're certainly not no tool. That is better than being a true expert in how to physically control people without inflicting lasting injury on them. And if you don't know jujitsu if you don't know call it grappling more generically if you're not an expert grappler and there's so many videos that attest to how poorly trained most cops are in this space. You resort to the use of other tools. That are synonymous with inflicting lasting injury on a subject. So the moment you take out a baton and start cracking someone over the head with it right that that is going to work by principle. That is synonymous with neurological injury. We can transition to talking about cops here. But i guess it's two sides of this. That are very interesting to me. There's what the cops are trained to do and should be trained to do and how they can play their game more or less impeccably but then there's also the immense amount of confusion people have over the significance of how the people getting arrested can behave or misbehave when i see videos of these botched arrests were cops user are in for one reason or another provoke to using you know inordinate violence so often seen people resisting arrest in obviously dangerous ways. Obviously provocative ways obviously doing things with their hands. That you know. In in another context aqap has to expect is an effort to produce a weapon to kill them and these things are going off the rails because so many people just do not understand the cops. I view of this encounter so i think we should talk about both sides of this. But that's just to set you. Often running in the direction of what cops should should should not be doing here so we have to start with by by by by clarifying some of the misunderstandings around police training because right well we have today at the core. What we have right now is an incredible level of disappointment right on matched level of disappointment from the general public on police performance when it comes to use of force riots fair to say that. There's it's never been such a high degree or a such a large gap between what level of force. The police officers are using and what the general public believes. The police officers should be using k. And i want to kind of start with that position and that that's the gap right in the middle east disappointment gap. I called the pd. Gap and that gap is larger than it's ever been. I want to talk about how we got to that point and where where we actually started. So what starting the most shocking information. I give people when i talk about. This subject is the fact that the average police officer in california k. and other states some more some less but on average in california receives hours of control arresting control training every two years now to be clear arrest and control includes jujitsu type grappling restraint devices. Cuffing right it includes use of force policy law so they have to have the refresher on what the law is regarding use of force in certain case studies that they kind of revert to when they talk about use of force law enforcement so in four hours. It's not uncommon. And this is not me guessing this is the actual trainers here at local california agencies. Telling me this. They took four hours. It's not uncommon. That only one of those hours at most is physical control tactics that the officer can use when they're taking someone down in controlling them in a in a violent resisting arrest situation right so when you hear that four hours every two years which means basically what two a year but you split those four hours up and it only an hour grappling which gives you an average of thirty minutes. Potentially of grappling jujitsu type training annual leave for an officer. It gives some framework to what we're dealing with here. So when i see the state of the country right now and people are like pissed at cops are using too much force in defunding police. There's a lot of things on there. I'm torn because i'm going. I don't think the general public knows how little training were talking about them. Starting with and then so then the question when you see an excessive use of force. It's for one of two reasons. It could either be. The was incredibly well trained. And they're abusing their power deliberately right for any number of reasons. They're flexing their power and they're going above and beyond and they just want to show how they can hurt people and they do it. There's another possibility here though. The cop is so disastrously undertrained the actual end user street. Cops are so disastrously undertrained that when they enter into these violent incredibly intense life threatening altercations even when there is no weapon president from the subject. There's always a weapon on the officers hip so every engagement is a life or death engagement. When there's a gun on the officers hip that can be taken from them. Which which is not uncommon. So when they're in these life and death physical altercations arrests scenarios and they and this is your expertise so you can correct me here and they experienced the middle hijack right were there. Their survival response takes over because they're so undertrained that they do not know how to handle the situation and as a result when the amid ella hijack happens and they lose prefrontal cortex control now. All of their decisions are fight or flight or freeze or survival mode. Fear based responses that are really automatic. And they don't really have much of a choice in the matter. There are no longer themselves the level of force that us at that point. It's a complete tossing the air of what's going to happen. Nobody really knows. And that's why we get so many uses the force. That are so disastrous. so the point i'm making. Is that my experience. And every single time sam that go to gst gracie survival tactics is our law enforcement. Weeklong forty hour certification course where these cops learned the gracie tactics and they become trainers. That didn't go back to their agencies and teach their colleagues. The problem is in those courses. We teach them for a whole week and they learn a ridiculous amount of information and they become proficient when they test out of that course when they go home and the california agency. This chief says yes. You can train officers the they call them in service officers the ones that are the street. Cops you can do an in service class for four hours and out of those four hours every two years. Teach one hour of gst so the fact that we're teaching the cops great techniques that are non violent is really insignificant because when they go home and teach it one hour every two years on average or less. There's no recall capability. There's no reflex development. In that amount of time. I have students that trained one hour a week two hours a week and they're still white belts after a year. Who could finally put this stuff together. So the level of under training cannot be overstated and the fact that we trained instructors at a high level but they go back and get blocked by the state mandated. Requirements is worth this entire thing falls flat on its face so gs has of course that it's been and as much as a review. Get from the the students that we teach those are the instructors so they go back and tease users and everything falls apart. And i would go so far to say that based on my knowledge because i asked him every class we survey them and i asked how many hours on average annually do your in-service officers get at your agency. And i'm in the room with one hundred officers from sometimes fifty to eighty agencies right two or three cops may different agency. So i'm teaching a massive room full of people of all these instructors and the average answer is four to eight hours a year but that includes all those other things that we're talking about some other states have more some states have less but all of them know that even if it were eight hours sam and it was all eight hours were gst techniques. It wouldn't be enough not even close not even close and my recommendation for the country is it has to be at least one hour. A week of jujitsu practice right preferably jujitsu adapted for law enforcement scenarios because it is different. You know that like when there's a gun involved in this person can grab your gun. You gotta do the americana armlock is different when someone's greed reaching for your gun but the point is i would go so far to say and i've said this publicly already that based on what information i know about how undertrained the end users are which is not public knowledge. The people typically don't they think they're trained like navy seals get such a high degree of disappointment because if they were trained like navy seals where they trained six months for eight week deployment if they were trained like navy seals. We wouldn't see this level of poor performance and bad judgment but my go so far to say. And i have that. Police officers in america are the most under trained professionals. In the country there is no profession in america where we ask the professional to do more with less training invested in them then when we ask a police officer which is regular irregular. Human being like you were irony other person off the street re rask a regular human being to arrest of violently resistant and in many cases assaultive subject with four hours. Let's just call it of training every year or two. You're not you couldn't create a worse scenario for someone asked to do harder. Job ya i'll simply add. I don't actually know the numbers. But i know that the the story with respect to firearms training isn't much rosier. I mean the the assumption. Is that cops her very well. Trained with guns and with all and and have all the scenario training. That tunes their their intuitions with respect to win. Draw gun and winter. Fire it and it's just amazing. How little little effect of firearms training sixty four hours sam. His the state mandated requirement of training by california post peace officer standard of training to be a police officer in california. Every state has its own in california. It's six hundred sixty four hours to become a cop just for comparison. It's sixteen hundred hours to become a cosmetologist and fifteen hundred hours to become a barber so both of those require more than double the training that it takes to become a police officer in the united states of america california state of the united states and every other state has slight deviations from that but the point is what your point that includes firearms that includes hand to hand combat that includes arresting control that includes legal policy and everything else in between so so even on a macro level. What it takes to become a cop. I was talking. More on the micro annual arrested control for hours a year on the macro level. Were setting these cops up for disasters. Because you're taking a regular human who in many cases has never been a fight in their life. You're giving them six hundred sixty four hours of training that include everything under the sun but not nearly enough of everything right so they learn a little bit about everything but their masters of nothing and then you give them a gonna badges go enforce the law and they think that because they have a gun that people are going to listen to them. So the moment that. I'm not going to jail. Spit on the cop and starts walking away. And now you're asking this regular human who played high school graduated. High school played video games every day all day. Four hours a day. Gotta gwen join the police department and became a police officer. Not all of them. But i'm just saying this is possible right. You get a kid who's never played a sport. Never been in a fight in his life or her and now he's being asked to arrest violent person without any substantial training in the skill right the grappling and doors. You shitsu skillset. That will allow them to do that. In a way that a protect themselves right first and foremost protect officer but secondarily and very importantly protects the subject in the process. So because this the amid hijack happens as you know when there's an actual or perceived loss of control and in law enforcement a high stress law enforcement situation where someone resists arrest an officer can very quickly go into go into the mental framework of. Oh my gosh. i can't control them. They're not listening to me. The get high very quickly elevated anxiety and soon during the immediately hijack and now it's fight or flight and now they're gonna quickly resort to their pay pepper spray tasers batons or any firearm worse case scenario in very rapid succession. What jujitsu does look at you or me. Sam for example who've invested years in a skill set that allows us to be in close quarters with someone control them against their will and do so without hurting them ourselves. Think about how we would respond in a situation where there's an officer or sorry a suspect who's behaving erratically. And violently and not cooperating and we decided we have to take this person down. We have so many options before the situation becomes deadly because we've invested in the skill set and we're confident and as a result of that confidence. The perception of loss of control comes much later. It requires much more violence and chaos for you or i to perceive the loss of control than for an officer who does not know how to control violent subject with their bare hands. And that's what we're fighting for. We're fighting to get more training for officers. Because all when i see these these videos go. Viral and people are so quickly to judge as an abusive use of power by the police officer. And just because it's on topic the the derek chauvin case. I'm not referring to that right. That's that's to me. That was a that that that wasn't abusive power. That was not a a in my case. I would not classify that as oh he's undertrained therefore he over utilized his force he had the guy cuffs prone there was not really any threat to him or other officers and he kept on the neck for far too long and the anatomy of how that affected his blood flow. We can discuss later if you want. But the point is. I'm not speaking about that. I'm talking about ninety. Nine percent of other videos. Were just gets out of hand crazy. And the cop escalates force unreasonably to the public who see it on video and everyone goes man. That cop abused us. Their deadly force us. Their tastes are way too soon. What i'm speculating. What i feel is often the case. Is you have a good person. Who's doing the job for the right reason. But even the best cop the best character moral character values the best cop on the planet. Let's just say the second they're in a situation that they are not prepared to handle nonviolently they're gonna handle it violently near well not only that they have a duty to handle violently because when it come back to that one detail you brought into play. Here's a when when you're dealing with a cop there's always a gun on the table in. This is something that people just simply. Do not have intuitions about so when you see some of these videos where someone starts resisting arrest and they start pushing a cop or you know. Grabbing the cop tries to to restrain someone to start cuffing someone. They start resisting. These are pushing back list. It becomes a grappling match. Or you know. The guy's girlfriend runs up and grabs the cop to stop him from trying to cuff the boyfriend. Or whatever it is whenever you put your hands on a cop this in the cops mind very very quickly has to be perceived as a fight for his or her gun. That's what will happen if you overpower the cop in the cops universe. That is absolutely bright line. That cannot be crossed and yet in the thinking of so many people who just think they shouldn't be arrested for whatever reason it just seems like fair play. You know it's like if the cop pushes me. I can pushing back. I can grab him. I can punch him. You know it's like it's completely inappropriate for a cop that point to draw his gun and shoot somebody but the cop doesn't know what you're going to do if you knock him out right. He has to assume the worst at what you're going to do to him and to the the rest of the public that he's or she has pledged to protect and so the presence of the cops. Firearm changes everything. And then there's the additional fact. That people have terrible intuitions for what is truly threatening. From the cop's point of view with respect to what a person can be doing with their hands. I mean it's just the moment someone sticks their hands in the in the pocket of their hoodie or they turn around and grab something off the front seat of their car and they're not following directions. The moment your hands go out of sight. That is a five alarm. Fire from the cop's point of view and it has to be because every cobb knows of the case where a half a second later that hand the just disappeared is now holding a gun and it's shooting a cop in the face right. In all of those videos exist virtually ninety nine percent of people are unable to rationally interpret what they see when they see these videos of arrests going haywire. Yeah i really liked that salmon. I think that. I it's a very valid point hundred percent and you kind of touched on to one of them was. The cop has a gun on his hip and the likelihood of that i've taken from him or her during the altercation is so real that the cop cannot get knocked out. It's has to be in the cops mind. It has to be impossible that they allow a knockout. So they're willing to do anything to prevent that and the other one is leading the suspect hands be out of sight and kinda splitting those two apart regarding the cop having a gun on their hip and the wrist that that percents in every situation i agree and and i think that people are completely oblivious to those realities because cops understand and have seen all the videos and have done all the research and have had the training to be and ultimately been told right that you get knocked out they can take your gun. They can with it so the cop knows that but the general public doesn't know that so they think they can you know russell and tussle and just kinda grabbing pusher and be aggressive with an officer not knowing that the officer camp play that game because of the risks that await them because the stories have happened But what i will say. Is that the chance of henry. I was a police officer. And i am not a great example because people are going all your black your whole life but let's just any version of. Let's call the blue belt sander. Let's call the white belt with four stripes. Enter or yourself right as a blue belt that the chance of someone in a ground fight taking a gun from you or i is significantly lower than taking a gun from a cop who has no ground control no comfort in that in that close quarter situation so even though what you're saying is true that the people have to understand what i'm saying is listen. We can only control so much what the world thinks of law enforcement we can. We can only here. It's like it's like regarding bullying right. Parents go yeah. Well kids shooting bully. We'll get you can't control what bullies do but you can't control the preparation you give your child so that when they go to school if they're bully proof with jujitsu they can put up a barrier and they can behave in a different way. So what i'm saying. Is i agree that there's a huge problem regarding the public's perception of understanding the reality surrounding law enforcement and the uses of force that they have to. They're just. They're not professional. If they don't know right we can't they just don't know right but what i can say is that an officer is exponentially less likely to have to resort to deadly force. Win the feeling of threat against the officer is reduced by the increased training that they invest in so the more trained and officer is the less likely that they're gonna be taken from them or that there. They be knocked out a simple example happen in kansas city. A few years back we did a gracie breakdown on this. You may link to it. Officer donald hubbard kansas city. Police officer officer honored hubbard approach a scene where there had been a man who attacked a cabdriver and the manatee cabdriver was pissed off and was drunk. Punched him officer. Hubbard shows up. Tries to take the man down and in doing so tries to control. Put them on the ground puts on his back on his torso. And then officer hubbard ends up on his back. Now you have anthony. Bruno was the suspect's name. Anthony bruno was on top of mr hubbard and was hitting him in the face. Like imagine a side control position. Sam like you know bottom of side. Control like kneeling next to you and then hammer fishing in the face scratching you. That's kind of what it was. So he was just kneeling on the ground. Over the top officer hubbard punching scratching officer hubbard on. His back. had no clue what to do. Draws his firearm fires one round and kills the suspect from the bottom of the fight shooting upward into his torso. The suspect was off duty. Firefighter anthony bruno on his wedding. Night was drunk had a debate with the cabdriver and got killed at the hands of a police officer from the same kansas city and therein lies the tragedy. Where when i look at that situation right because that officer hubbard wasn't wrong in his use of force because his life was in danger but the danger to his life was a function of the four hours every year or two that he receives in ground fighting to where he did not know how to recuperate. Guard use his legs to manage the distance. Neutralize the strikes that were reaching his face. How do you know how to do any one of those skills right. He would not have had his life in danger and therefore he could have waited there waiting for help to arrive just by holding a position of garden. Punch block series stage one as we learn as a beginner. Hearing your first five classes you would learn that. If you were just to hold that position he would retain his firearm. He would have not had to use deadly force but that requires the training. And i don't even blame the officers. I blame the department. Who ultimately is at the mercy of the state because the state sets the annual training requirements and chiefs. don't like to operate out of bounds. They typically will stay within the state's requirement and say four hours. What the state you know prescribes that's what we're gonna do for every in service officer every year so everyone ultimately is victim of the of the state and there's not really a federal law enforcement requirement. It really is state by state and then within the state requirements the agencies. Have the right to do more or less but generally the try to stick within the state's requirements just to be safe so who's to blame the fact that officer hubbard had to shoot off duty. Firefighter anthony bruno. Because officer hubbard a reached in della hijack a perceived love control will really actual in his case because he did not know what to do an actual loss of control in violent altercation and had to use deadly force because had he got knocked unconscious for all he knows. The suspect could've used a gun against him but he did or whether he would or would not have never know but they have to presume that that is going to be the case. So this is what we're dealing with. So he shoots that he shoots officer he shoots the firefighter anthony bruno and then people could look and say oh man you know. Why did he shoot him. He should have just done x. Y. or z. And my point is you don't have a choice to use techniques you never learned and that's where the whole system is failing. These officers were putting them in situations to expecting much more from them. Then what we're giving them the skills to do and then the whole country's on fire because these excessive use of force and i'm like man of course there are some of these that are not training issues right. Their character their moral issues on behalf of the officers that that that are not the best humans right the same way there are there are corrupt and there are criminal jujitsu teachers there are bad people in every segment of society and every demographic and in every profession. There are terrible terrible police officers. There are terrible juice. They're not no one's perfect population is perfect. So you're going to get those those those officers who are just shouldn't be police officers and we'll leave it at that but the majority are good people who want to do the job the right way but if they're under equipped and they under perform as a result of that who do we blame and that's where we say actually hitter. I remember that video. I think i probably saw it first circulated in email from you and one of the things that disturbed me about that. I recall this. One is cases where you have to reflect on how you have the video in the first place. You've got members of the public videotaping this altercation between cop and somebody else and the bias. The default bias from the public is that the use of force by the cop is often illegitimate in many of these videos. I don't remember in that one in particular but in many you're seeing people basically you take the suspect side of whatever this altercation is in there shouting the cop you know. Just leave him alone. But what what's not happening in these videos and what certainly wasn't happening in that one were members of the public helping the cop it would. It would have just taken a few other people to help make granted this in an ideal world. This wouldn't ever be necessary because the cops would be sufficiently well trained and sufficient number to meet any challenge that they're dealing with but i'm here. You have a very clear case of this. Thing is escalating to a lethal use of force and it would have been rendered totally unnecessary if you just had a few other people grabbing arm and leg and and help the cop you deescalate. The situation will in the gym. Yeah i agree one hundred percent and listen every single time we see a video that goes viral. You always get people in the comments will say. Why are you filming not helping. So there's there's an awareness of that but we have to understand sam that people can only help in situations where they perceive themselves to be. You're capable of helping right like it's easy for me to say. Hey i trust me. I walk around the streets like for an opportunity to help. But it just doesn't happen around me for one reason or another. But i'm i'm here like if i saw something i'm getting in because i i would. I would hate for an incident to happen in front of me and to someone to die. Because i did not intervene. And as a result of my non intervention the officer had to escalate a level of force that was probably unnecessary had otherwise invent intervened now to be cleared there are also videos of people intervening and they're always glorious and we do breakdowns on them and we highlight them. And i've even asked officers. Osama i say guys if you're having a troubling restitution. Do you want the assistance of the public. I've actually asked him this on video and they publicly said yes like one hundred cops in the room and i just did a video on one time. I said yes or no. Do you guys want help if the public is there. And you're having trouble yes enthusiastically. They want the help their regular people they would rather have help and not have to escalate level but if they have to do it by themselves and their outweighed or you know someone who is much more athletic than them or exhausted or any number of variables that gives the suspect advantage there. Then they have no choice but to use the level of force necessary to neutralize the threat and the whole point. Is we still. I agree that people can help. I agree that people could not grab a cop's gun or not to push back when a cop does xyz so there are things we can teach the public but again my smile the whole proposition in my whole position in all of this is that may happen over time. But i don't know what the right solution is to get to all of the people of the world. But i do have access to most of the law enforcement organizations and departments in the country and if we can simply increase their capabilities we will lower the level of force across the entire country. We will see less viral videos. We will see less rapid escalation of force. We will see less. Migdal hijacks and the cops will eventually with proper amount of training perform at a level that the general public expects them to sam. That's the whole key all of this because when expectations are met with reality or when reality meets expectations vice versa. Nothing is remarkable jenner sandwiches. The definition of expected. It's just normal so when a cop take someone down. Ties him up. Beautifully maintains the mount twiss them into a handwriting procedure and then cuffs him and walks them into the car. People look at that and go that was unremarkable. But what's wild. Sam is today's day and age. The unremarkable arrests. That just happened seamlessly. No problem are remarkable like batman to the rescue. Yeah but there's there's so unusual because the train is so disastrous so it kind of begs. The question of like man have cops been this. Why is it such a big deal now right. Why is this becoming such a big deal. Now and i will say with confidence and cops have verified this kind of off the record with me as i say guys. Why is the public and the cop law enforcement relationship in america right now as bad as it's ever been worst ever is right now. Why and they said and the conclusion is this. The public visibility of police performance and uses of force has never been so high public account opportunity for accountability by the public has never been so high because every incident is recorded with seventeen. Different cameras. dashcam bodycam security cambone camps. Three phone camps so you have all these people filming incidents so while public visibility has gone through the roof. Police training standards sam remain. Were they were in the nineteen seventies. they have in grade nationwide. The states have not said okay. Now that the visibility is so much higher we probably got a brush up our arrest in control skills to twelve hours a year instead of four hours a year in our state. That hasn't happened yet. So we're literally sitting at the crossroads between archaic training practices and new age accountability and visibility opportunities for the public that disparity between those two. Things is why there is such disappointment. And why. There's such uproar from the public now let me just tell you. This change is happening. It's gradual but the fact that that disappointment gap is so large and the public outcry is so substantial right now for better policing reforms. We'll call it of some sort. Some defunding some agree. That better training is the way some. Just want to cancel altogether. I mean you have the full spectrum right. But where i sit. Here's my thing right because at everyone at the core for everyone is bad. Cops they'd wanna give a gun and a badge sam to someone who's gonna abuse that power. That's the general people. Don't mind a good cop right and people don't mind call. Even people who are anti police and want to fund will call the police if they're getting robbed right so people want a good officer with good intentions to come to the job protect and serve and have a high reverence for human life. Like that's what they want right. The the challenges. How do you. How do you differentiate between good cops and bad cops. And i have a formula that i like to propose as one way that we can arrive towards a better decision on that one key. Variable that i think every civilian and every police department even would like to identify. And here's my position for that. In order to tell the good cops and bad cops we have to give all cops sufficient training for the challenges they face and then you see which cops adhere to that training and which cops deliberately deviate and abused their power. That's it because sam. If i were arrest grandma let's just say henner were to arrest. Grandma had gone into badge torrance police officer henner gracie were and. I'm not a cop for the record. I'm just hypothesizing if i were to go arrest grandma and sam. I took her down. Furlough traffic violation and i pulled her down. I trick or throw on the ground. Did on top her. And i start blasting her with punches in the skull and you saw video and you knew my record you knew my training and you knew all the backstory of why i took her down. Everything was perfectly clear and you assessed that you would say man henry a freaking bad police officer because for everything i know about this case and everything i know about him. That was not necessary for him to use that level of force. And it's not like he doesn't have the training to accomplish the objective of neutralizing the threat and taking her into custody with lower level of force. So you would be accurate in your assessment that i was abusing my power. This is the same reason. Why a black belt in the martial art right when they use their martial arts in a street fight. Let's say and they have to this whole idea of your lethal weapon right like you have because you have lethal training martial arts you are judged in a different realm of use of force as a civilian. Then someone who had no training right. So i could be. My black belt is almost liability when it comes to use of force because a judge or jury might say no henner because of your training. You didn't need to use that much force. A street fight over a road rage incident. You beat the guy up and you broke both of his arms based on your training. We have reason to believe that you should not of us that level of force it was unnecessary the level of force that you applied in the street fight that you were in the same reason that that's an accurate assessment. Because i have the training. I'm held to a higher standard deviation from that training is a reflection of my character more than my ability to handle not handle that situation so that's my proposition is. The whole country needs to be brought up in terms of a reasonable amount of training so then when deviations happened we have nothing to blame other than the character of the officer because their training and their muscle memory did give him the quality and the skills necessary to perform and neutralized situation with a lower level of force than what was captured on that video. Yeah yeah no. I fully agree. I mean it's There's no argument for the status quo. May i guess. I guess someone must be making a resource argument that they don't have the the money the time can't spend the resources required to recruit the right people into the ranks of the police force. I gotta think at this point. Morale is somewhere near an all time low in police forces across the country just given what has happened to public perception since the killing of george floyd so it's got to be very difficult. Time to recruit good people to the forest. Never been harder. Never been harder salmon. I have my best friends are cops. Like i have every state from all these courses that we've taught and all these relationships you've made and i've never heard the eagerness towards retirement that i'm hearing right now. This is not worth it anymore. Now you may be aware of what happened in new york recently right so the new york they pass this bill. That's kind of like unofficially. The diaphragm bill where police officers are and this was signed into law by mayor de blasio and this was the end of last year and i fought as hard as i could with all my social media everything i could to try to resist it but who am i right so it happened but basically it says here that. Never sit kneel or stand on the subjects towards never used a chokehold. sorry never use a chokehold. neck-hold or headlock on the subject of arrests. Never sit kneel or stand on the subject's torso including the back chess or the abdomen so they've criminalizes and now what they've said that if you do one of these things in new york city right in new york if you do one of these things even if it was unintentional and no harm was caused to the suspect in its use you may subject to criminal prosecution personal criminal liability for the officer so this is probably one of the worst things that ever happened for now in this bill just to be clear there were things that were proposed that got past that. We're good things. More accountability better reporting. You know different things. You know certain use of x y and z so there are other kind of logistical things but when it comes to use of force i i'll even go so far to say. Hey the removal of neck restraints chokeholds or vascular neck restraints more accurately described in law enforcement. You know there's been a lot of debate about taking those out. New york has gotten rid of it. Several other states are doing the same thing. I'm even okay with that. Sam because a police officer who does not know how to use the neck restraint and only get trained four hours every two years. They're probably gonna use incorrectly. So even though you. And i both know that they're very safe and very effective as a method of controlling someone and in lieu of deadly force right so in a situation where you might otherwise have to use your weapon. Many lives saved when the officer instead opted for a vascular neck. Restraint that neutralize the threat and say firearm malfunction they use a vascular neck restraint and life was saved because of nick restraint so there are many more of those cases then the alternative when the suspect ends up dying as a result of misuse of a neck restraint against the suspect. So but point is if you're going to get rid nick straits and or let's jason put them at lethal force or get rid of them altogether. Fine but sam what they're doing in new york they've criminalized the mount to position Side mount side control back. Mount these are not criminalized for the officers so this happened last year. When this sunday law the off the head instructors the main guys in nypd who run the defensive tactics contacted me privately. Obviously right. i'm not gonna share any names. But they said we fought as hard as we could to keep them out and the side mount and they sent me the internal videos showing what they're no longer allowed to do. And the number of retirement requests right in new york city last year. I think broke all records for sure. It broke all the trends but it was astronomical getting deemed and twitter and message and email from all over new york henry. We lost over your loss. 'cause they've disincentivize us from now controlling suspects violent criminals we cannot put the neon their torso. We cannot put. Our hips cannot sit in the most gentle effective ground control positions. And here's what i said. This is all public. I said new york watch what's going to happen by criminalising. The least violent ground control positions that have been used for thousands of years in martial arts of all grappling kinds by criminalising the least violent control methods. You are now encouraging and incentivising. The use of more violent control tactics tasers baton. Firearm punches closed fist blunt. Object strikes so these things are not and there are videos. That have happened since this this this bill has been written into law videos. Have come out. Sam of arrest situations and i did a breakdown recently. May have seen it of this exact dilemma. Now you have four cops trying to control one person by their limbs because they're not allowed to put any contact on the torso and controlling someone by the limbs. Imagine trying to get a little kid who doesn't want to go to bed and try to drag him by the arm or leg and they're twisting and turning now they're violently twisting and turning you can't just grab their torso pick up and welcome to the bedroom and put them to sleep. It's so as a result and this particular video that i'm talking about the cops start punching the guy. Excessively and in the video goes viral because of the excessive punches but the general public sees that video and they don't realize the reason all those punches were necessary was because the officers were legally prevented from using gentle mount controls wouldn't have required five officers if they knew basic mount so anyways new york is pretty much loss caused in terms of arrest and control tactics and the police department would agree with this. So this is all this is city council this is like you know. Representatives of the city who have never been in a fight. Were suit are not cops. Don't know what it's like to hold someone down. Just wanna be arrested. Who are these laws. And then mayor de blasio wrote into law. And i guess that it's been downhill slope from there. And i rest in peace new york city you know and sadly sadly the civilians think this is good for them. but it's not much vassar. An officer that is it is a disaster. It could not be worse. It could not be worse. It was an accident in messed up and now because new york city's a lost cause. I'm setting my sights on being very vocal about how disastrous and how counterproductive this this. This new bill has become and warning other states that if they engage in the same type of reform where you just strip officers from these nonviolent control tactics as a a a a gross overreaction to their aversion to neck restraints really kind of it all started with nextradio restraints. And then you know things happen. There's videos go viral. I miss okay. Let's start do anything even touch their torso because the diaphragm they can't breathe is easily when you're laying on their hips and as a result of that you know it's all downhill from there and it's only gonna get worse. It's only gonna get worse before it gets better and new york is going to get way worse. And then eventually they're going to have to undo certain elements of this new law in order for police to be able to do their jobs again. But i'm just hoping that more states don't follow suit because you could quickly have a situation where it's way worse than we currently see so this is literally and this is my whole point sam. Is that writing a bill into law. That says you cannot use them out and many other things. Let's just keep it basic because that's part of it. You cannot sit on someone's abdomen in amount. Reading that bill into law is done by a group of people who mistakenly believe sam that the cops were sufficiently trained in empty hand control tactics to begin with. That's the whole point if you believed that every one of these cops in new york was trained like navy seals and even with that sufficient amount of training that excessive amount of training. They performed as poorly as they do. It's understandable that you say let's take away all their ground control skills because clearly they're abusing them but if you start from the premise that cops get four hours of new york city's probably way worse every year or two then. The starting position has to wait a minute. Let's give them better training before we take away their least violent options he i perhaps we should say something to make this a little clearer to people who are probably no more informed than many of the people who pass this law about the details here but i mean you imagine someone's violently attacking you right somebody who is at least as strong as you are and your job now is to stop them from overwhelming you or getting away and hurting a member of the public so you have to figure out how to bring this person under control. This is the situation were putting cops in and they have various tools. They have you know a gun on their belts. They've got. They've got a baton. They've got a taser and they've got whatever hand skills that they have or have been given. They've got their their own strength and athleticism such as it might be and some of these tools are by definition synonymous with death or significant injury. Right the way you bring someone under control by hitting them in the head. Repeatedly is a sin as i said before synonymous with neurological injury. Right if you punch them in the face and knocked them out that is a fall down and they hit their head on the concrete. exactly yours. you're in an environment in a ring that is designed for the safety of the contestants europe gear on the street. Yeah and if you taste them. They rather often. If taylor works i mean. Tasers are by no means foolproof but when it works this person is also falling to the concrete and not under their own control and very likely hitting their head writes. This is all of. This is extremely risky in terms of the continuum of force and far riskier than any of these things that have been outlawed and in fact everything that they was just outlawed in. New york is practiced in every single jujitsu school on earth. Every single day ad nauseam made. And i'm sure that if you survey and nobody dies in the from this practice when under controlled setting when you actually know what you're doing. So i wanna ask you Hanner easter that the most provocative of these maneuvers. Is you know what we call the rear naked choke or the or the neck restraint and so this is when a person grab someone reaches around their their throat with their arm from behind and the elbow the crook of the elbow is now aligned kind of with the subjects chin and they are squeezing. It's call as you say is somewhat aronie called it show. It's actually a vascular blood stranger. You're cutting off the circulation through the carotid arteries and after about six months or so the person loses consciousness. How dangerous has that proved to be over the course of any given what you know and you you you now have tons of experience teaching this you have how many how many schools affiliated with with your school who teach this there are thousands upon thousands of of martial arts training in this and they all experienced the on both sides of this choke. I'm sure someone somewhere has died because someone somewhere has died from virtually everything but what is your perception of the the risk and the the variables that govern risk in with this move. Listen you know like you said. Every single day. Millions and millions of vascular next trains are applied at the you know hundreds of thousands of schools around the world that teach you like. There's this is this is. This is the safety from a statistical point. You know you cannot i. i don't know point. Zero zero zero zero zero one percent. I don't know i. It doesn't mean that hasn't happened of reported death in practice right by someone who knows what they're doing who has any degree of training with this right. This is normally we hear of death. When it's used agreed by someone who doesn't know when to let go or they squeeze a neck restraint someone passes out and then you maintain pressure on an unconscious person's body or you maintain a vascular pressure for in many cases what needs to be about thirty to sixty seconds after loss of consciousness has reached the amount of pressure and the duration of time that is necessary for someone to to die from the use of a vascular neck. Restraint is is substantial now. Of course when you consider drug alcohol use other medical conditions. Those can play a part but by and large that the technique has been deemed safe right in on all the studies that have taken place and just anecdotally throughout the country throughout the world in regular practice of martial arts are us all the time so you know but i think pointing back to the new york situation sam and you were kind of alluding to the the violence of tasers on these blunt force. And that's kinda just for the listeners out there and what you have to understand is that all the techniques that were outlawed are monumentally safer. Then what is being encouraged. Now for these officers. Because they can't do it and you start with the example that you were kind of painting of a violent criminal just committed a crime wants to flee the scene or wants to assault and officer. Now you the officer has the burden of not just neutralizing that person and taking them into custody for their own protection and for the protection of the public. The officer has the burden of doing that without applying any body to body contact on their torso chest back or abdomen. This this is unheard of. There is no way it literally rules out if you have if you have someone who violently resisting if you imagine. All the scenarios able to take them down to the to the ground and control them so that they can be arrested. And you you add to that picture the criterion that you have to do this without hurting them you have basically ruled that out in virtually every case the moment you you make those specific moves illegal. Yes avenue is no way to do it without hurting. There is no way to do it without without exactly. And that's the that's the whole that's the kind of the the entire confusion here is that they did something. Sam hoping to lower the level of force the officers use on suspects not realizing that now because of the impossible equation. You've painted for this officer of having to do someone without using their body to do it. They can only use their hands but a violent criminal could not be held down by. Someone's two heads either. You cannot lay on there. And i'm telling you this as a black belt lifelong practitioner. If you sam did not want to be taken into custody and someone said henner take san and put handcuffs on him right now but the condition was. I'm not allowed to lay on your body. Sam i could not pot. I could not put any pressure on your torso chest back or abdomen. Literally at my body cannot lay on your body. If that was the requirement. I do not feel capable of subduing you and i'm a master and i must say you sam the bluebell. I'm talking about sam. The regular civilian a regular person just a man or woman who does not wanna be taken into custody. I would not be able to do that by myself. I would need four or five other officers to hold one on each limb in the third person punching you in the face so we've literally created a fifth person in the face we've literally created an impossible to question were a single officer is no longer capable. Even if that officer. Sam is well trained in even if they had a black belt in jujitsu a single officer to take a single suspect into custody who is determined not to go is very very unlikely to pan out in a way that is both suitable acceptable to the general public acceptable to the police force and acceptable to the civilian in. They hopefully don't have to die while they're getting arrested. But you're forcing the cop to escalate their level of force unnecessarily because you took away their lowest and most effective control options. It's unbelievable sam. It's literally the worst thing i've ever seen from a police. Training and tactics change across law enforcement across the whole country. It's the most negative backward step that has ever been taken now again. The rest of the bill had some good things. It's the diaphragm contact aspect. That literally throws away all judo techniques all wrestling controls all to standard controls that have been used for thousands of years and effectively and safely to control and forget neck restraints. I'm talking about just laying on someone like to kids wrestling in the backyard. Or like you know what i'm saying like we do every single day here in practice so it's frustrating. It's sad and like i said it's such a cause and it's so sad for those officers who are now basically literally it was already hard enough tr- arresting someone on four hours. A year of jujitsu training was hard enough now. Saying hey not only gonna get that minimum four hours but you're not allowed to touch their torso with any part of your body or you're going to be criminalised. You're basically saying either. Be ready to use lethal force to stop somebody from fleeing the scene right because at the end of the day. You have to arrest the person or simply. Don't arrest them. Actually this be of interest only to martial arts nerds but perhaps we can say something about why the often touted pain compliance kind of wrist locks are are so hard to use in when you have a violently resisting opponent. Why why can't you just teach a bunch of wrist locks and get past all of this sure. Yeah any any pain. Compliance technique requires a healthy neurological processing to take place right so the second that someone who do drugs intoxicated or high on adrenaline in any way shape or form where they're pain tolerance right as we know goes through the roof then a wristlock simply doesn't have the desired effect and often instead of pain compliance. You get what's called pain defiance right which is a threshold. Because imagine if i was like imagine if i grab one of your fingers and i started bending it backwards and i got to a point where it was uncomfortable and your logical brain says. Yeah he's gonna keep going better to listen to him. Imagine if instead of stopping at that point i just tripled my level of force on your finger. Do you think that you're processing would be okay. I really better listen now or would you. Suddenly be tricked. Your brain would essentially be flicked into survival michaela hijack and you would literally do anything on the earth to free yourself from about to be broken limb to lose a finger of broken joint and the same is true for a elbow or a shoulder. You can go pink complaints while they're healthily processing the encounter but the second the person's drugs or alcohol or they're paying tolerance simply goes through the roof because of any one of these outside variables. You simply cannot do it so my point is what officers need to do is they need to control body to body control for the first one hundred second is what we teach one hundred not not knee on the neck. Not neck restraint. That'd be crazy right. i'm talking about basic side. Mount basic mount control basic background. One hundred seconds to literally true slow everything down and to teach the member. Ufc hoy spot. Art jefferson when he mounted on art. Jamerson an excuse me with trying to twist push them off. An art could not escape choice. His mouth and as a result of several seconds joined by where art could not escape his mouth. This is one of his opponents in. Ufc one aren't just tapped out. What happened there. There was no submission. There is no knock out. Why did art tap out. Because he couldn't get off his back and he was trying as hard as he could and he was ineffective escaping from a superior supine back amount position hoist is laid on him and at that point art was able to process that since he could not get out with all his might that there was only going to be downhill from there on hours. I'm going to go well. It wasn't go well so that right. There is the number one recommended by law enforcement arrest in control. Get the suspect on their back not underbelly on their back and hold them there for one hundred seconds with body to body control once. The suspect has a chance to process that they're not going to get out. Will as a whole processing happens in their mind and they go. Wow i'm not gonna get out. I can't get a hold of their gun because they have good under from attention. I'm not getting his officer off. Other officers are coming at this point. They can kind of go into the process of. Maybe i should comply and just get this over with. But as long as there's hope escape there is going to be savagery. From the suspect and what i'm saying is to kill the hope you have to use the one hundred second rule and maintain that top position on a supine suspect until help gets there until their spirit is sufficiently broken. They will comply with a pain compliance technique or simply verbal commands which often work once. The spirit is broken and they realized that they're really not going to get away. It's a whole different human that you're dealing with so to answer your question. It's not as easy as it looks. And and if you can't control body to body supine for one hundred seconds that's not legal there is no guarantee that you're going to get this person into custody off twist fingers joint shoulders elbows. Someone an arm break and then free themselves from the situation because they're high on some drug it really is. You know you have to experience it to understand but when when you have someone who's who has much better training than you have in grappling again. The mystifying thing is that they don't even have to be bigger than you. They could be smaller than you. But if if there's simply a a very significant mismatch between how you know how to wrestle based on your apish intuitions and the person who's holding you down. It is like there is something supernatural about it. I mean it is. It is like your adversary. In this case the cop is functioning with a different physics. We attempt to get up is completely hopeless and only sufficient training can create that kind of disparity. And that is the thing you need to ensure that people get arrested in a way that doesn't require a continual escalation of force so this painting a very unhappy picture here hanner but i know there are bright spots here. Tell me some place where this is working better than it is in new york. So i've been advocating. I briefly mentioned earlier. I've been advocating for quite some time. Now that my prescribed solution to this use of force kind of pandemic in america is one hour of jujitsu every week. For every officer in america bone di- logistically. How do we do that. Where does the money come from. Where did they do all secondary concerns. I'm just telling you what it needs to be. Because i know what one hour a week of ju jitsu create irregular civilian. I see it all the time. And i know that that's the bare minimum. Someone needs to be sufficiently trained to get a violent altercation and be able to stay afloat and handle their business and not have the amid hijack takeover right. That's to me. That's the key and of course that presumes after several months or you know six months to a year of one hour a week summit will be at a place. Where if they get into a fight. They're going to be able to at least stay focused. A com manage the distance manage the damage control the subject and at the very least until help arrives which in many cases all they need to do right is for an officer. So that being said. I've been touting this loud enough for long enough that one of our agencies that we've been working with since two thousand and nine marietta police department in marietta georgia one of these agencies. Who suggest he certified so they've had their instructors certified in our week long certification but like every other agency we work with they get cut off when they go home and go to teach it. They're only allowed to teach for four hours a year. So marietta georgia has been t for about eleven years and two years ago. Almost exactly april first two years ago. What happened was prior to that. A video went viral in marietta. That showcased the officers who again are getting their bare minimum annual training of few others tactics these officers aggressively striking subject on the floor in a restaurant. The video goes viral right for all the wrong reasons and at that point marietta command staff ultimately say. Hey listen we're getting. We're get upset if officers performing so poorly but we're not giving them any better options so it's on us to give them better options and for hours a year clearly isn't cutting it look at the performance and look at this viral video so that was kind of the tipping point there for them. So what happened. Marietta did something. Unconventional unexpected. Unheard of and revolutionary. All at the same time. They did a test and going to say his name. Major jake king was kind of the the conductor. The man who pulled his whole thing together right the conductor of the orchestra here in terms of the marietta transformation and he deserves a lot of credit for taking this risk because he believed in jujitsu. Here was the test. Sam there were going to say okay. Let's let's get rookies. Because they've heard this they've heard this proposition of jujitsu regular weekly practice so they said let's do it with the rookies rookies in their police. Academy the new hires. We can pretty much have them do whatever we want and And they have to do it because that's kind like guinea pigs right so they said. Let's do these rookies and let's get them to do jujitsu. Mandatory jujitsu at a local carefully vetted civilian own jujitsu school where they go to regular classes of jujitsu with civilians in the classes. Let's get them their uniforms. And let's mandate that. they go. i think it was twice a week was the mandate mandated period for five months. While they're in the police academy so they did it. they did it and five months later. These rookies came out of the police academy training weekly. They go they have their academy all day. They to at night they have their uniform their regular students and not surprising to anyone who does jujitsu but for seemingly to the shock of everyone else. These officers came out of the academy. These new rookies brand new cops came out of the academy and the number one word. They used this report. It's me by major king who i've interviewed extensively about what happened in marietta. In terms of the data there mary. So major kingston senator number one word on their exit surveys was confidence. These officers left the academy with a greater degree of confidence than ever happened. Before in the history of the police department they go into the field sam and they start applying their techniques and they're taking people down and they're arresting people and i have. There's actually a video you guys can link to. It's actually at great university dot com slash. Reform has all of the marietta data. I'm going to share with you now and video showing the use by these officers. They're just skills as rookies. So these guys outta the academy and girls and they had these use of force incidents and sam. They're taking people down there mounting on them there patting them on the back. There's verbally saying hey you're gonna be okay. I got you right here. Let's just you know we're gonna take care you. There's no cussing there's no violence violent punching in the head all the things we've gotten used to seeing as a country don't exist with these officers. Who went through the jujitsu program in marietta. Listen it was so successful. This program for these rookies that they decided to open it. Up to in-service officer sam and this is where everything changed. The agency has one hundred and forty five officers of the hundred and forty five ninety. Five of the officers opted into the free jujitsu program sponsored and paid for by the agency at the civilian owned school where they're allowed to go train weekly for free to them paid for by the agency as official regular jujitsu students and this went down. Five officers opted in fifty officers. Did not so we have a control group against which we can barely compare the performance of the be. Jj train officers the non jj officers in the agency and the data is in. It's been eighteen months since the program has been initiated for the for the department of promoting this type of us and we have numbers and these numbers are right. These are published by marietta police department. And like i said there on our website at the url. I i gave him. You can link to it. It's unbelievable so let me just run through some of the key points here and you can ask questions that we can dig a little bit on. What the implications are for the rest of the country because this is the most promising data in the history of law enforcement arrest and control tactics so training injuries because of course the number one concern for a lot of these police. Departments are a well. How injured cops get if they're doing to all the time. What if they get injured while they're training in two six hundred classes in the eighteen month period by ninety five officers. One injury in the doj dojo a single injury knows got cracked on a takedown attempt to that was it and this meme clear these ninety five officers. Some of them are young rookies. Many of them are old and out of shape and have never seen the inside of the gym in their lives. You know for the last however many years and are now starting to for the first time. So we're talking about a large population. Here of officers of all types of demographics and all types of shapes and sizes tasers deployments reduced by twenty three percent in the population that does jujitsu so seventy seven percent in the non. Jj group fifty. Four percent tasers deployments in the use of the bj trained group eighty five percent of which were to stop a foot pursuit. So there aren't using the tasers right in all cases. They're using tasers in the fight. Because i can't handle it. They're using it when someone's running away and they're chasing them and they have to stop the person from fleeing the scene views of force injuries to officers so this is actually in the field now injuries to officers in the eighteen months prior to the instituting of this program there were twenty nine injuries to officers in the field eighteen months prior in the eighteen months after the program there were fifteen injuries to officers in the field. That's a forty eight percent reduction department wide of officer injuries. Now here's the kicker sam. Zero of the reported injuries were in the b. jj trained to population zero so fifteen injuries in the four in the fifty people. That had not done jujitsu that have not started this program of weekly practice. Sam this makes the most sense in the world because a fight is a very scary and dangerous thing to someone who does not do this regularly but to someone who does jujitsu weekly like your. I getting into a fight. We might bump our elbow. Bruce army but this has turned into a serious six months off duty worker's comp claim because i simply taking someone down holding them knows what i do every day in practice. And here's what's wild. That's exactly what is being said by these rookies. One of them took a suspect was actually a mental patient. They showed me the video. It's on it's on our website. There they take down a mental patient. Perfect body full takedown. Mount back mount patting. You on the pack telling me he's gonna be okay when they got up the the sergeant said. Hey you know to the rookie. A that was the one of the best take downs. I've ever seen and the rookie says. Oh that was nothing. I've done that one hundred times so when these officers are doing on regular everyday practice it just makes sense that this is what they do. There's no problem now. Here's what the department loved the department. Wide forty eight percent reduction overall in injuries to officers resulted in sixty six thousand dollars. Seven hundred and fifty two dollars saved on workman's comp claims that never happened. Yeah so the agency saved money. And that's forty thousand dollars more than they spent on the training for these officers in that eighteen month period. So the net. The net savings for the agency is over forty thousand dollars because of the workers. Comp claims that never happened when cops simply don't get hurt in their use of force in the field. Then i asked major king. I say major king. There's one more number that i have to hear. What about injuries to suspects. That's what the world wants to know. Okay the cops are safer. But what about the people that are you know taking down and controlling positions serious when we talk about serious injuries to suspects classified as hospitalization. If someone does not need to be clear to the hospital then it didn't get classified but hospitalization was well-documented and when a use of force involved an officer that train be. Jj the suspect was fifty three percent less likely to sustain serious injury that required hospitalization sam. More than twice as likely to get hospitalized. If you get arrested by someone who does not do weekly jujitsu the most important number for me. This is the one if we could reduce the hospitalization by half or really the serious injuries by half countrywide for every officer in america. What kind of service will be doing half fifty percent progress so this is. These are the numbers. That i've been dreaming of sam for twenty five years. This is it. And i could never do it. Because i'm not an officer in charge of department where i could mandate this type of training. I've been advocating for it for twenty plus years but i could not mandate it so major king having been someone who's been around ju jitsu believes in jujitsu right is on team. Jujitsu bit the bullet and said man. We just gotta do this. Let's see what happens with these rookies. It happened it was so successful. They rolled it out to in-service it was so successful in service. We've published this data on our website and now major kings being contacted by dozens of police departments every single week from all over the world because people are seeing the data that we published. And they're asking for his assistance to set up similar programs to be clear. The program that we're advocating for now is a partnership between private civilian owned jujitsu carefully vetted civilian owned jujitsu school and a local police department with any number of officers who can send those officers for this supplementary training weekly training at the agency and then the question is who pays for it in marietta. They're using currently asset forfeiture. Funds are federally controlled but the agency puts in a grant requests or a fund a request to the federal government saying. Hey we have this acid four assets here. Can we use this for training and or you know equipment and the answer is yes. You can use a forfeited assets for training or equipment. Okay you use it for this supplementary jiu jitsu training program and they permit it so this is happening at departments around the country and and now georgia specifically has approached major king who said orchestrated all of this and they've basically are now talking about state grants funding for departments. That want to institute similar program. So the georgia senate is now discussing. State grant funding for agencies. Who want to institute a supplementary. You program literally sam. This is the best thing that has ever happened to police. Training ever is that they're now contemplating these private partnerships with local schools. Right to make sure these officers get the training that they need because the agency could never provide this logistically. The only reason why there's a chance that this becomes a nationwide success is because it's profitable for the agency. They're saving over forty thousand dollars in eighteen months on this one. Small hundred fifty officer agency alone. Imagine the much larger agencies how much they're gonna save on workman's comp claims from having their officers better trained. We always knew this. We always hypothesized this. But now we have the actual the numbers and the numbers simply. Don't lie Well new york. If you're listening you've got some of the best schools in the country. I guess it's too late to walk back from the brink over the brink. But you can. You can climb back up the cliff hangers or anything else. We haven't covered that you think needs to Get into people's heads here. I just. I'm so excited. I'm glad we did such a good job of setting up. The the current state of why police force such difficulty Here in america and then and then segue into this very promising marietta case study. And what's wild is as soon as published the data. We've had i think to date we've already had over fifty departments sam contact us nine looking for. Hey we wanna start this partnership and we just signed two contracts of roswell. Police department is being finalized this week. We just signed peachtree city georgia. You know again. We are actual contract between the agency gracie university headquarters and the certified gracie jiu jitsu training center in the region. To were they. Now send their officers and you know these officers can go train whenever they want and paid for by the agency the officers love it and the buying actually peachtree city. I was talking to lieutenant. Chris there and he said henry. We sent the email announcing our partnership with the certified judicial training center there. And i didn't expect to buy to be as solid as it was the. Yes is the enthusiastic yes is. It's almost like they're dying of thirst. Sam these officers. They all know their undertrained. They all know they're being put in life and death situations every day on up cops budget. A lot of them can't afford two hundred dollars a month jujitsu classes but with the way we worked it out with the agencies is the agency's only paying ten dollars per officer per class and their invoice at the end of the month so they only pay for the officers they show up and that model. They're always going to save more in reduce workman's comp claims they are going to pay for the training so always be a net profit equation for the for the agency and listen. We're not trying to get rich off of these partnership with community. I'm just trying to be part of the solution that makes training available at a cost. That is that is acceptable for the city ultimately who's paying for it and the department but the challenge we're having right now is we have more inquiries in locations then. We have schools to meet the demand that needs a crazy time. Like so for me like it's it's just so remarkable that this is even being contemplated that these government departments essentially institutions of government employs and police officers are being allowed to partner with civilian owned martial art schools. Like this never happened. You never had a police department partner with taekwondo school right so they never happened before. So it just speaks to aid you. Effectiveness and really remarkable effectiveness in combat. But be a new wave in police training. Which has never before been contemplated before. Marietta took the risk and made it happen. So i'm just so excited we now have the data and the world can now see that. What we've always believed was true. That aqap is less risk. The police office and we didn't even speak about the reduction in lawsuits right because we have less injuries. You have reduction in excessive force allegations and subsequent lawsuits. Those savings have not even been factored into right. And then of course community relations the community relations nightmare of having a video go viral where marietta for example use excessive force in the restaurant on that video that i spoke about those videos. Stop happening when cops are will train. They don't go viral