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"mr houdini" Discussed on Pardon My Take

Pardon My Take

11:12 min | 6 months ago

"mr houdini" Discussed on Pardon My Take

"Really flexible and really athletic Not able to do a lot of these things. Yeah I read that you can still do the splits at fifty two. Which is that I. Do I interview Randy Guitar? Or but he has a great gym called extreme tour his son Orion get sore trains. Me and I have achieved code so I do a little bit of training and I just do some cardio. Stop Stretching and stuff like that but it's really important as you get older to remain flexible and to keep your body moving route to prevent injury hangups dining shocked to kill myself a million times a during the show so. I'm just always trying to be like focused and in the moment and you know hypersensitive to being physically set. How did you get into you? Know Magic like what at what point in Your Life. We like. This is it. This is my career. Because you gotta say it's not a lot of kids don't grow up. I'm going to be a magician. They're not that stupid. I was. I was six. My installers showed me a car trek and I was obsessed with magic in the power that gave you as a young kid when adults didn't understand how you were doing accomplishing certain things. And by the time I was you know. Let's handle Evans. Twelve years old. I was performing private parties on my bicycle as playing in bars by barely fourteen. Was You know Fridays? Incites could never get away with it today but in New York as to go into bars and closer magic I always knew this is what I wanted to do. Always had a big dream took me eight year. Eighteen years to become an overnight success but never gave up and no matter what it is. You want a life you just have to put that sweat equity in put blinders on believing yourself. No one else does. Don't waste your time on. Social media was seen to negatively breeds. Nothing positive and eventually can happen. You just gotTa really really you got to really be able to believe it envision it you know yeah. I have a very important question for EFI. Like good. Went lead off with actually is magic real Now I'm an entertainer artist. I use a lot of things that I'd be are real because I try to blurred line between reality and like when I hang by four fishhooks through my back from a helicopter over the Valley of fire or hang for six hours of It's real is no pain medication. No numbers nothing. When Frank Muir chocolate Dell or Ryan Aranda tour or Or who else will my missing Pge Van Zandt when a punched me in the stomach You know as hard as they could That was completely real. That wasn't like some type of tricks. So I do do tricks. And allusions Really can't fly unlimited. Even though I do it in a way that's never been done I try to blurred outline and let the audience determine what is real and what is oddity. It's a bit more fun for them to be able to determine what is what were you nervous when you got punched in the I mean. That's Houdini got caught right. Well that's what I was doing. I was kind of paying homage because Houdini in his day in age said that he could take any man's punch in a couple of college kids soil. Houdini after a show they were like. Is it true Mr Houdini Take any man's points news like yes you can prepare. Welcome and essentially Ruptured his appendix and on Halloween in Nineteen Twenty six. He died of So I wanted to do that. And today are fighters are way more scientific stronger faster and I just thought it was even more difficult to do that test today than it would be. You know nearly eighty years ago or something so I got you know. Ufc Champs you know and and Just wanted to see However however however I would have had a wreck reacted excuse me and and it was definitely An interesting experience. Frank Mayor is like two fifty or something bad and he hit me the first time he's holding back and I said you can't do that because it just doesn't look believable and I wanted to be legit and he like look that media site you got this look at this. I and I was like Shit. He is let loose and he was just here. Actually before. This whole thing went dow-. Hbo Cobra Virus Ucla Training at my gym with him in order in his coach so But he he chocolate del end and And and they all they all they all hit hard when you get a free shot. You know it's definitely something. I'm concerned about but leave the techniques. So I I was hoping it was going to work and it. I have talked with those Basically his knuckles in my in my stomach like he just stood there the the after effects or like a few hours. You just like this big red mark of his knuckles. It was so how do you do it? How you how'd you take? Its muscle control reeling distance. It's like commonsense things that you just have to feel really confident about when you put yourself you know literally at the end of somebody. That's a high level athlete like near their punch. You know so just practice. You know so you you looted to a second ago but you worked for eighteen years before because you said becoming an overnight success but at some point along the way I'm sure there was some discouragment some encouragements. What was one point where you're like? I can do this for a living. I can be extremely successful. Well I knew I could do for a living when I was a teenager because I was doing. Like twelve birthday artie. So weekend or is doing firehouse shows. I've played at windows of the World. I was in corporate events and I was also playing with my banning clubs so I knew I could do it for a living but I was just miserable performing you know as a babysitter basically doing magic for kids birthday parties and I never was happy with it so I just figured I would take that leap. Because it wasn't about money was always about living my dream. You know you get one life you have to choose how you live it so I just really were hard in just one for and it just it when your different than you're not like everybody else it? It's more difficult to succeed. But once you succeed in everybody like kind of copies you because you proven a road that can work and you pave the road so it was a very very difficult process. But once I along the way saw certain indications you know because there was no one big thing that really happened. It was a small small things that evolved and transformed into a big thing but it was a series of small breaks that allow them to get the big great which was really my mind. Free Television series. You know on a I need act in two thousand and five eight three specials before that I had a six hundred shows on Broadway and forty third on its at the. Wwe McMahon's aid me a break back in two thousand two thousand one. So and I still. I still work with today. You know Stephanie Band and triple H or call with was hanging with me. A Probably two months ago or something so it was a series of a lot of things were you can never give up. That's the one common ingredient you know you just gotTa work hard. Doesn't matter if you want to be the best basketball player anime guy football play you never can give up and you just have to put that time in. If it were easy everybody would be successful. But the It the harder it is to achieve something the greater the reward. So you have the world record in a couple of things and I want to just walk through them to like. Explain the level of panic or how you mentally got over it. So the first one was you were submerged underwater. And had the fastest time to escape from a straitjacket at two minutes and thirty seconds. How the hell do you train for that? And was there any moment where where you're like? Fuck I'm underwater for two minutes and thirty seconds this socks. I'm going to die right. I did over a thousand demonstrations on TV alone. And so so I think you're combining to different things but let me take one each one so I was the first Guy New Young Award. Twenty four hours. I did it in Times Square at the wwe and on Good Morning. America lie to hide everything And so I only was underwater for twelve hours in friends pool to see 'cause I didn't have money back and I want to see if I could do twelve hours and I came out. I was able to do it but I might. Skin drive me crazy. Because of the chlorine it's strove me not sweet. So when you say you're you're under your in like one of those clear boxes underwater. Yeah basically I had Houdini water. It was like a phone booth filled up with water and I always underwater for the very first hour upside down with eighteen pounds of chains and I was recreating what Houdini Did in y you know. Short time I wanted to do for twenty four hours so the first hour I was upside down the remaining twenty three hours right side up but I wasn't really prepared. I didn't have the money in science. United site just forced it S- and Y'all have a permanent scar on my nose because the mask or away and it was the most miserable experience you can imagine but I did it and it served its purpose. And then the one that you're talking about. I didn't tying swear in it was Got To straitjackets. I wanted to be the first person to try to straitjackets at the same bullshit. Straitjackets you get that you see. Everything inherited these magic using lake. Legitimate Cozy straitjackets. I two of them. I worked with Randy tour these Jim because I wanted him to. Constantly choked me out. I wanted to know what it was delights. What signs would be to know when I was going to go on conscious because the idea was not only going to have to straitjackets on I was going to hang upside down above twenty thousand people? You KNOW THIRTY THIRTY FEET. Thirty stories up and essentially have fifty pounds await basically hanging from one end of a rope. The other end was in new surround my nap and so I had to be very gingerly. Getting that straightjacket up is I was fighting against myself. If I moved a lot the news would get hydro at fifty pounds. I would pass out go unconscious and I wouldn't have been able to accomplish my mission so I had to be very methodical Randy tour and you any out a bunch of times. He talked about the crowder arteries. I did turn my neck and different different techniques and essentially on got that I first jacket off to the point that I could get the road with my teeth. Offer my mouth drop the way everything off and then I got out of glass jacket but I did pay a small Christ side ripped my bicep off of my phone. Complete Ariza.

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"mr houdini" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

KTAR 92.3FM

07:33 min | 1 year ago

"mr houdini" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

"Eight six six five zero five four six two six as we speak of the weaker those people of that portion of what is now China at called East Turkestan, and as we go to some more calls. Let me ask you what Sally who they are what you would like the best of all worlds. Are you speaking of of autonomy or complete national independence? What exactly is the goal of the strict, STAN, national awakening movement? Well, so for the past sixty three years out of the sixty nine years of Chinese occupation. We have been so-called we've been given autonomy. We already have atonomy what we want is to restore our east Turkistan Republic. We want to restore our national independence. So as a separate nation state. Yes. How it was prior to Chinese communist worthwhile goal? I would have to ask you in in the real world realistically speaking, I would assume that there is about zero percent chance of that would an interim step in the form of some kind of greater local autonomy. Would that be something that you might work for? I'm not sure that the Chinese were prepared to grant anything like that. Well, wondering if there are various levels of what you would like given the national independence to put it. Bluntly, in my view, we'll ain't gonna happen. Well, so, you know, looking at it, you know, they said the Soviet Union would never fall, but the Soviet Union, you know, fell China, you know, it's going to fall as well. I mean, like what the trade situation that's going on right now China's has has a lot of internal conflicts and external conflicts as well. China's deteriorating. The Chinese communist party is falling apart. Even inside themselves. Whereas, you know, asking for atonomy we already have a ton of me what more autonomy. Can we get? I mean, autonomy is what led us to the situation which we are facing today, which is annihilated. So the only. Feasible thing that can possibly happen for us to save our to ensure long-term survival is to restore our national independence. Well, certainly China has problems we've done shows on that. So I wouldn't say it out of the question that China could fall apart. We'll we'll see to call from shod in kirtland, New Mexico on the Jim Bohannon show. Hello shod. Hello. How are you doing today? Thank you. Nice nice. I have a couple of questions is there any like fundamental movements or anything still going on and cannon square that we don't know about is it not being publicized or have those. Kind of seceded. All right. I far for my knowledge. Mr. Houdini are probably has greater knowledge of that than I do three nothing on the the massive scale that couldn't be the could be covered up like has happened in Tiananmen Square. I don't think there's anything like a a national movement of that sort. Although I have been told that it is not uncommon to see demonstration's of various sorts in in Chinese cities. Even though I don't think the demonstrators are always treated very well. But to say that that the Chinese are all a big collection of happy campers. I think would be an exaggeration. Mr. who you are. So to what extent is there unrest in other parts of China? So there's actually unrest all over China. Actually, you know, according to like Chinese reports, you know, every year there's like over two thousand quote, pro demonstrations or riots that the government has to push the surprise, you know, it's. It's the Chinese people. You know are being surprised by the Chinese communist party as well, not just the people in east Turkistan, but the people in east Turkistan, I mean, they're facing a genocide, whereas the Chinese people in general, they're facing like mass human rights violations. You know, the being denied religious freedom or political freedoms or even economic and social freedoms, you know, the Chinese communist party is cracking down on everyone to maintain their power over. But they're not I don't think that that that personal freedom in China has reached the point where people can actively organize. I mean to the extent that there is opposite. It's not as though those in opposition to the Chinese communist party can hold a convention in in Nanking or or Shanghai or something like that. I mean, this all would have to be very under the table. Would it not? Yes. No, no, any opposition like any actual opposition even fits even three or four people gathering. You know, the Chinese government is we'll try to shut it down before he even happens. Yeah. That was my understanding all right to David in Creston, Iowa on the Jim Bohannon show. David good evening. Good evening. Jim also guest better a two part question. Here, you know, trying to it becoming awfully strong basically would party, and I was a little bit concerned about Europe over here since you're the neighbors. I mean, I was wondering how how far do you think Chinese might go in to try to take over some of these Europe, basically and Europe's quite a ways away from China, there'd be a lot of territory between China and Europe. I mean, but I'll that it's an interesting question. It's worth pursuing I suppose what about any Chinese territorial ambitions, Mr. Huda Yar? I'm not other than the South China Sea. And of course, obviously Taiwan. I'm not sure if they have any overt territorial expansion ambitions. Do they wall? They're definitely reaching a encroaching into central Asia. There's definitely territorial disputes. With central Asia, China's setting up a new colony in Pakistan. You know, though, the Pakistanis are not realizing that I mean, they are offering them like billions of dollars in investment and infrastructure development, the same promise that they gave the people of east Turkistan invaded us. You know, they're like we're going to help you develop. We're gonna help you modernize name. They bring in like one hundred thousand settlers, and then they multiply, you know, and then they bring in more. And then you know, they marry inter inter married into the local population. And in just like over the years, the they create a virtual colony they're doing this in Africa. They're buying you know, Africa big time, the Chinese presence in Africa. This is a very unreported story is immense. Yes, they're doing this in Africa. They're sending up like new colonies richly cities in these African countries where they bring in tens of thousands of Chinese male workers to work, and develop, you know, in these countries, and then they married the local women, and they create this new half Chinese half African generation and then slowly, you know, the simulate and build their empire. I mean, this is this is the Chinese way of building their empire. More to come. We'll be back in just a moment. Selling.

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"mr houdini" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

12:56 min | 2 years ago

"mr houdini" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. At time is Thomas, so let's get to the the CEO aunts at best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Arthur Ford shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with very very at times, very touching and romantic and there were statements like throw in the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message, I'll tell it and just a minute. But first I want to explain that. This is a nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of their song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message once it was decoded was Rosa bell Belise, and it really really touched best. And she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know did Arthur Ford? No. That Rosa bell was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered. The other day on the internet 'cause that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big romance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and soured said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe yes. Yes. And and she declared this a success she declared it a success, correct? Absolutely. In down. In fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president to say on said, this is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And and so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that it happened. Yeah. I think so in the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced that anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphics and tell me about this reporter is it re- Jawari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced array. Right. She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in a closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up is not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to impersonate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about well, the reporter wrote this up and so fast responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it. There's she's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So this was written to Walter chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought. I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these were supposed to be private letters. The letter starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point. Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered, and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a not. And I think she just folded and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too. Yeah. Because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful. You said I mean, but it was just days after where she says. I'm not gonna pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are that best basically, and she herself was an avowed to bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that. It's not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after the stance. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister. I car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is Morrison, and he becomes addicted to morphine and e for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on a in Canada upon our Canadian there's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide. The year before. Now, what Ford did for this high profile say on with he did with all the secrets do. Dopey. Kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak maybe area, it's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up that a little better. It is okay. James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little upfront research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research preparing for the on. And that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it is in his exciting at it is it's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the sands in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his. Medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"mr houdini" Discussed on KTOK

KTOK

13:06 min | 2 years ago

"mr houdini" Discussed on KTOK

"Use radio one thousand KT. Okay. Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Time is Thomas, so let's get to the the CEO. It's at best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Are there for shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where Harry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant and and have her. Well, he was very poetic with her. Very at times, very touching and romantic. And there were statements like throw open the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decoded the message, I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that best is nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of the song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message once it was decoded was rose about believe. And it really really touched Bess, and she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know? Oh, did Arthur Ford. No. That Roosevelt was the pet name for Basser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered the other day on the internet because I was trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he and he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. Right. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe yes. Yes. And and she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is present at say on set off. This is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And so that's that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Arthur Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced that anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphic? And tell me about this reporter is it re- Jawari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced right? She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding. I don't know where they're hiding in the closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up is not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to in personnel, Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because best heard about at the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it there. She's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So this was written to Walter windchill. The great Walter winchell. That's what I thought. I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive and these were supposed to be private letters. The letter starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that it happened. Then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered, and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a not, and I think she just told and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy to water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful you see I mean, but it was just days after where she says. I'm not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically. And she herself was an avowed do bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that. It's not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about a couple of years after this. John. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister. I car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and it becomes addicted to morphine and e for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problem, and I think this might of his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on a in Canada upon a Canadian. Hello. There's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now what Ford did? For this high profile seance with he did with all the acres. Do. Bit kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak, maybe. It's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up that a little better. It is. Okay. So James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little upfront research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research, preparing for the sats, and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it isn't as exciting as it is. It's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out. He had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"AM six forty. More stimulating talk. Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website as well infinitely, mystical dot com. Thomas Thomas, so let's get to the the say ons at best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Arthur Ford shows up, and he Arthur Ford, usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with very at times, very touching and romantic and there were statements like throw in the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decoded the message, I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain. That that's his nickname that Harry used for her was Roosevelt. And this came about to popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of the song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message was decoded was rose about believe. And it really really touched Bess, and she was very very strong and clear in your language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know that Arthur Ford? No that Roosevelt was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I read just the other day on the internet 'cause that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said, Rosa bell, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coating message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick. And and these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Roosevelt and believe. Yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared it a success, correct? Absolutely. In down. In fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president to say on odd. This is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And and so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wished to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Ford is the correct message prearrange between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce announced that anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a magazine or a newspaper called the New York for graphic rather than you're graphic. And tell me about this reporter is it re- juju Ari I can't pronounce the name. But but I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced. Right. She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know whether you're hiding in a closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up is not really author Ford. It's someone that's been patron personate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about the reporter wrote this up and so fast responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies that. There's she's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes. The social go-to guy, you know, and but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this the New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter. There may have been to. Letters, but she was very supportive and these were supposed to be private letters. The letters starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there Saad he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that it happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says. Oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication. You know? And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just told it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and knows that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also money to water. And when I mean, how long after the seance and twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots, he could I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful. But it was just days after where she says, I'm not gonna pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best. Basically, she herself was an avowed do bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Look, that's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nod or something like that not on the online version but down. But anyway, I think she just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life. It'd be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about a couple of years after he was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister. Is this car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is Morrissey, and he becomes addicted to morphine and the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. He was up here on on in Canada Canadian there's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's an I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before now with four did for this high profile theon with he did. The acreage do Easter. Kinda breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's a cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak maybe area, it's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up is that a little better. It is okay, James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little upfront research brings it into the on says if he's getting in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went to his papers and found his research preparing for and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it isn't as exciting as it is. It's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics Justice. Right. But okay. So Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"Is Thomas, so let's get to the. Beyonce at best is house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Are there Ford shows up, and he Arthur Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this. And apparently Houdini is mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant and and have her. Well, he was very poetic with very at times, very touching and romantic. And there were statements like throw open the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message. I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that. This is a nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of this song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry, Calder Rosa bell. And so the message once it was decoded was rose about the lease. And it really really touched best. And she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know that Arthur Ford? No that Rosa bell was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered. Other day on the internet 'cause that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president say on set off. This is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Arthur Ford is the correct message prearrange between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that it happened. Yeah. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce. The anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphics and tell me about this reporter is it re- Jari I can't pronounce the name. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced. Right. She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in a closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up it's not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to impersonate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because best heard about the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it there. She's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes. The social go to guy, you know. And but this kinda made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these are supposed to be private letters. The letter starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party, Danny fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all. Right. However at some point best Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says. Oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just sold it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not. Try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward ten thousand dollar prize to anyone. And then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful you see I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically. And she herself was an avowed debunk for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that. It's not on the online version but down. But anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after this. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister, his car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and it becomes addicted to morphine, and he for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on a in Canada a Canadian mental health. There's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven four say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide. The year before. Now, what Ford did for this high profile seance with? He did all the acres. Do. Kind of breaking up, honest Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak maybe area, it's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up that a little better. It is okay, James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little luck front research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research, preparing for the sats, and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini caves as fun as it is in his exciting. It is it's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay, so Ford is discredited because of the sands in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Time is Thomas, so let's get to the the CEO at best is house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Arthur Ford shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with very very at times, very touching and romantic and there were statements like throw in the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message. I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that best is nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of the song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message was decoded was Rosa bell Belise, and it really really touched Bess, and she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know Arthur Ford? No that Rosa bell was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered. The other day on the internet because I was trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he and he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just didn't shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe yes. Yes. And and she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president to say on said, this is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Arthur Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so if that the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see you're in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphic? And tell me about this reporter is it re- Jawari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced way. Right. She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in the closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up is not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to impersonate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about well, the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it. There's she's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these were supposed to be private letters. The letter starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point. Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just sold it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up a an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful you see I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm. Not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically. And she herself was an avowed do bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. But that's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she just got tired of arguing with anybody in wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after this. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister is this car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is Morrison, and he becomes addicted to morphine and e for the rest of his life has morphine alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. He was up here on on a in Canada upon our Canadian. Hello, there's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now what Ford did? For this high profile seance with he did with all the secrets do. Kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak maybe area, it's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up that a little better. It is okay. James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little upfront research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research preparing for the and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it is in his exciting at it is it's not gonna be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the sands in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his me. Medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"mr houdini" Discussed on KTOK

"Talk, NewsRadio one thousand Katie. Okay. Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Thomas thomas? So let's get to the the seance at best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Arthur Ford shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate, and so sometimes spirits, meet a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where Harry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with her very at times, very touching and romantic and there were statements like throw in the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message. I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that. This is a nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of this song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message once it was decoded was Rosa bell believe and it really really touched Bess, and she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone know did did anyone know did Arthur Ford? No. That Rosa bell was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered. Today on the internet because that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Rozabal, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just didn't shout out the word believe they used this secret coating message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look in and these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe yes. Yes. And and she declared this a success. She declared a disagree, correct. Absolutely. In down. In fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who was present at the sand set off this is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Arthur Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect of the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphics and tell me about this reporter is it re- Jari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is R E A. And I think it's pronounced right? She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in a closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up is not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to impersonate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about at well, the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it there. She's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive and these were supposed to be private letters. The letter starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point. Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered, and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a not, and I think she just it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So what's interesting too? Yeah. Because you know, if you really wasn't because hoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful. You said I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm. Not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are that best basically, and she herself was avowed bunker for fifty years. And so the the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that. It's not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after this. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his picture is in a car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and he becomes addicted to morphine, and he for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on a in Canada upon a Canadian. Hello. There's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now what Ford did? For this high profile seance with he did all the I do. Kinda of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone, but maybe keep very still and speak maybe area. It's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up is that a little better. It is okay. So James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And he does a little upfront research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research preparing for the on. And that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini caves as fun as it isn't as exciting. It is it's not gonna be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the sands in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his. Medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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13:02 min | 2 years ago

"mr houdini" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"Ninety four one FM. Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Time is Thomas, so let's get to the the CEO at best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Arthur Ford shows up, and he Arthur Ford, usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with very very at times, very touching and romantic and there were statements like throw in the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was. Decoded the message I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that. This is a nickname that Harry used for her was rose about and this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of their song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry, Calder Rosa bell. And so the message once it was decoded was rose about Belize. And it really really touched Bess, and she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know Arthur Ford? No that Roosevelt was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered. The other day on the internet 'cause that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big romance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he and he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't a Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe. Yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president to say on August is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And and so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Arthur Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see here in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced that anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphics and tell me about this reporter is it re- Jawari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced right? She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over does it her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding. I don't know where they're hiding in the closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up it's not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to in person eight Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about it. Well, the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies that. There's she's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these were supposed to be private letters. The letters starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point. Best Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know, very first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says. Oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just told and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing our position, I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful. You should I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm. Not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are that best, basically. And she herself was an avowed do bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nod or something like that not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after this. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister. I car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and it becomes addicted to morphine and the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on in Canada upon our Canadian there's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's an I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now what four? Did for this high profile stay on with acres? Acres do. You're kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak maybe area, it's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up that a little better. It is. Okay. So James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. Now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little luck front research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research, preparing for the Santa, and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it is in his exciting. It is it is. Not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the sands in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"mr houdini" Discussed on KGO 810

"To coast AM on cagey. Oh, eight ten. Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Time is Thomas, so let's get to the the CEO aunts. At best this house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Arthur Ford shows up, and he Arthur Ford, usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where Harry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant and and have her. Well, he was very poetic with our very at times, very touching and romantic. And there were statements like throw open the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was. Decoded the message I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that best is nickname that Harry used for her with Rosa bell. And this came about two popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of this song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry, Calder Rosa bell. And so the message once it was decoded was Rosa bell lease and it really really touched best. And she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know did Arthur Ford? No that Roosevelt was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I've registered. The other day on the internet because I was trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big romance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just didn't shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Roosevelt and and believe yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And down. In fact, the very next day. In fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president to say on said, this is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And and so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wished to declare that the message and its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Arthur Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts sitting out there. Now, anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphics and tell me about this reporter is it re- Jawari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced right? She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in the closet but hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to in person eight Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about at well, the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies that. There's she's been a party of fraud in any anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these were supposed to be private letters. The letter starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party, Danny fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just told it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and knows that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So what's interesting too? Because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful. You should I mean, but it was just days after where she says. I'm not gonna pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically, and she herself was an avowed debunked for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about a couple of years after he was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister. I accident and his healing process. This is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and he becomes addicted to morphine, and he for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved at a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on in Canada. On a Canadian hotel. There's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now, what four did for this high profile seance with he on the acres? Do. You're kind of breaking up a honest Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak, maybe. Okay. It's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break that a little better. It is. Okay. So James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little luck front research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and sound his research, preparing for the sats, and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini caves as fun as it is. And it's exciting. It is. It's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out. He had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case? Yeah. Yes. That's the way. I see it does or doesn't. I it puts a cloud over it. But it doesn't necessarily directly bear on it. Now despite buses recanting, and, you know, saying no, I don't believe that Harry communicated with me, nor could he then why did she continue to do these seances high profile public Sanchez on the anniversary of Harry's death for the next ten years? She did it for ten years after his death. But she didn't start them until a couple of years into that. So she did about seven of them is my count, but the point is still well taken. And here's the way, I look at it wind. She was with Harry, she would be onstage at times, and Harry was the.

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"To the the seance at best house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Are there Ford shows up, and he Arthur Ford usually works with the spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with very at times, very touching and romantic and there were statements like throw in the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message. I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that that's his nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of this song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message once it was decoded was Rosa about Belise, and it really really touched best. And she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone know did did anyone know did Arthur Ford? No that Roosevelt was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I've read. The other day on the internet because that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of the other. And again, he just he didn't of Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick. And and these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell. And and believe yes. Yes. And and she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president to say on set off. This is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Arthur Ford is the correct message prearrange between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced it anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphic? And tell me about this reporter is it re- Jawari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced. She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in the closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up it's not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to impersonate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about well, the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it there. She's been a party of fraud in anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these were supposed to be private letters. The letters starts off saying this matter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point. Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered, and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a not, and I think she just sold it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing their position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward ten thousand dollar prize to anyone ten thousand, but and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful. You see what I mean? But it was just days after where she says, I'm. Not going to pay the money. Right. So you're you're feelings are that bass, basically, and she herself was an avowed to bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nod or something like that. It's not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after this. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister. Is this car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and he becomes addicted to morphine and the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved at a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. He was up here on on a in Canada on Canadian there's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's an I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now, what Ford did for this high profile say on with? He did. Acres do. You're kind of breaking up on honest Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak, maybe. It's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up that a little better. It is okay. James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little up front research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research preparing for and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it is in his exciting. It is it's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his. Medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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12:36 min | 2 years ago

"mr houdini" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

"Let's get to the. Beyonce at best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Arthur Ford shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use resin assistant and and have her. Well, he was very poetic with very at times, very touching and romantic. And there were statements like throw open the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message, I'll tell it and just a minute. But first I want to explain that. That's his nickname. Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of this song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry, Calder Rosa bell. And so the message once it was decoded was rose about the lease. And it really really touched best. And she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone know did did anyone know Arthur Ford? No that Roosevelt was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I read just the other day on the internet because I was trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big romance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he and he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. Again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell. And and believe. Yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president to say on set on this is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And and so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect of the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphic? And tell me about this reporter is it re- Jawari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is R E A. And I think it's pronounced way. Right. She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in a closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness exchange. Well, the person that shows up it's not really author Ford, it someone that's been paid in personate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because best heard about well as the reporter wrote this up and so fast responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it there. She's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in. These are supposed to be private letters. The letters starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point. Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered, and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a not. And I think she just folded and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too. Yeah. Because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful. You see what I mean? But it was just days after where she says, I'm. Not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically, and she herself was an avowed debunked for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nod or something like that. It's not on the online version but down. But anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody in wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after this. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and he becomes addicted to morphine e for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. He was up here on on a in Canada upon a Canadian mental health. There's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yeah. And I think it's an I'm looking at it now nineteen sixty seven Ford how say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now what four? Did for this high profile seance with he did with acres? Do. You kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak maybe area, it's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up is that a little better. It is okay. James pike. This is the an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little upfront research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research, preparing for the sats, and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it is in his exciting. It is it's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics who just isn't right. But okay. So Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his. Medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Time is Thomas, so let's get to the the CEO aunts at best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Arthur Ford shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like show, a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with her very at times, very touching and romantic and there were statements like throw in the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message, I'll tell it and just a minute. But first I want to explain that best is a nickname that Harry used for her with Rosa bell. And this came about two popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of the song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry, Calder Rosa bell. And so the message once it was decoded was Rosa bell Belise, and it really really touched Bess, and she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know did Arthur Ford? No that Roosevelt was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered. Other day on the internet because I that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big romance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he and he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the the is actually came through decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly. Look be quick. And and these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell. And and believe yes. Yes. And and she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president at say on set off. This is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Arthur Ford is the correct message prearrange between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the time again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect of the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see you're in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphics and tell me about this reporter is it re- Jari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced right? She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in the closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up is not really author Ford. It's someone that's been page one person eight Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because best heard about at well, the reporter wrote this up and so fast responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it. There's she's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these were supposed to be private letters. The letter starts off saying this letter is not publicity. I do not need publicity. I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fried he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just sold it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and knows that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too. Yeah. Because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds, you know, pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered by some kind of monetary motivation. You would have been much more graceful. You said I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm. I'm not gonna pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically. And she herself was an avowed bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that. It's not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after he was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister, his car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and he becomes addicted to morphine and e for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes was up here on on a in Canada upon a Canadian there's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide. The year before. Now, what Ford did for this high profile say on with he acres. I do. You're kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak, maybe, okay. It's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up is that a little better. It is. Okay. So James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little upfront research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research preparing for this. And that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it is in his exciting. It is it's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out. He had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"I. Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment. Did it work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Time tight Thomas. So let's get to the the CEO. At best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Are there for shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where Harry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with very at times, very touching and romantic and there were statements like throw in the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message. I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that. This is a nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about two popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of this song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry, Calder Rosa bell. And so the message once it was decoded was rose about believe, and it really really touched best, and she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know Arthur Ford? No that Roosevelt was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered. Today on the internet because that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he and he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't of Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick. And and these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is president to say on that this is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And and so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that it happened. Yeah. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see you're in support for a good while and around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced that anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphics and tell me about this reporter is it re- juju Ari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced right? She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in a closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up is not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to in person eight Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about it. Well, the reporter wrote this up and so fast responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it. There's she's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive and these were supposed to be private letters. The letters starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just sold it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And and when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up a an award a reward ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful. I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm. Not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically, and she herself was an vowed to bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. That's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that not on the online version, but but anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about a couple of years after this. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister. Car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and it becomes addicted to morphine and e for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind with James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on in Canada, a Canadian there's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's an I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike now. Pike's son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now, what Ford did for this high profile say on with it? Acreage do. You're kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak, maybe. It's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up that a little better. It is okay. James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little up front research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research comparing the Santa, and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it isn't as exciting. It is it's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his. Medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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13:07 min | 2 years ago

"mr houdini" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

"On five seventy K L I F. Thomas Rosetto, my guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment didn't work and that is posted up at the coast to coast, AM dot com website and Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Thomas Thomas, so let's get to the. At best as house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Are there Ford shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini his mother, the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant and and have her. Well, he was very poetic with our very at times, very touching and romantic. And there were statements like throw open the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was. Decoded the message I'll tell it and just a minute. But first I wanted to explain that this is a nickname that Harry used for her was Roosevelt and this came about to popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of the song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message once it was decoded was Rosa bell believe and it really really touched Bess, and she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone did anyone know did Arthur Ford? No that Rosa bell was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that. I register. The other day on the internet because I was trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and baths, who is twenty years older than he he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other. And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just didn't shout out the word believe they used the secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe. Yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who is present at the sand said, this is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And so that's that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And this this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect of the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts sitting out denounced anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York for graphic rather than your graphic. And tell me about this reporter is it re- juju Ari I can't pronounce the name. But. I just. First name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced way. Right. She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding. I don't know where they're hiding in the closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up it's not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to in person eight Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because best heard about the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it there. She's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these were supposed to be private letters. The letters starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party, Danny fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all. Right. However at some point Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says. Oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just sold it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not. Try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing our position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So what's interesting too? Because you know, if she really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered by some kind of monetary motivation. You would have been much more graceful. You should I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm. Not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are that best basically, and she herself was an avowed bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. But that's what happens. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that not on the online version but down. But anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody. I wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after he was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister is in a car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and it becomes addicted to morphine and e for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved at a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on a in Canada a Canadian mental health. There's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's an I'm looking at it now nineteen sixty seven four a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide. The year before. Now, what Ford did for this high profile seance with he did all the acreage do. On some kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone, but maybe keep very still and speak. Maybe. Okay. Yeah. It's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up is that a little better. It is okay, James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little upfront research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research preparing for this. And that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it isn't as exciting. It is it's not gonna be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out. He had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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"Is Thomas, so let's get to the. Beyonce at best house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Are there Ford shows up, and he Arthur Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where Harry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant, and and have her well, he was very poetic with her very at times, very touching and romantic. And there were statements like throw open the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message. I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that best is nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of this song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message was decoded was rose about the lease. And it really really touched best. And she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone know did did anyone know that Arthur Ford? No that Roosevelt was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered the other. Today on the internet because that's trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he and he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of other, right? And again, he just he didn't Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just shout out the word believe they used this secret coding message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared it a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who was present. At the say on set off a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And and so that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And these this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading you could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce denounced anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphic? And tell me about this reporter is it re- Jari I can't pronounce the name. But but I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced way. Right. She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him and she had some friends. Hiding. I don't know where they're hiding in a closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up it's not really author Ford. It's someone that's been paid to personate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says, I I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because best heard about at well, the reporter wrote this up and so- bass responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it there. She's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes, the social go-to guy, you know, and, but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive and these were supposed to be private letters. The letters starts off saying this letter is not publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying ah we've got proof there's fried he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all, right? However at some point. Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says, oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just folded and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death and know that it's false. I will not try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And and when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was she recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful you see I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm. Not going to pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically. And she herself was an avowed do bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. But that's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nod or something like that not on the online version but down. But anyway, I think she's just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about. Couple of years after he was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister is in this car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and he becomes addicted to morphine, and he for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on a in Canada upon a Canadian mental health. There's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide. The year before. Now, what Ford did for this high profile seance with he did with the acres. Do. Kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak maybe area, it's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up is that a little better. It is. Okay. So James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little up front research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research preparing for the and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it isn't as exciting as it is. It's not going to be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay, so Ford is discredited because of the saints in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on the Houdini case?.

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"mr houdini" Discussed on KTRH

"My guest, the author of living the paradox of enlightenment, and the essay we're discussing Houdini. Afterlife experiment didn't work and that is posted up at the coast to coast AM dot com website in Thomas's website is well infinitely mystical dot com. Thomas Thomas, so let's get to the the CEO at best house in January of nineteen twenty nine and Arthur Ford is there this is the medium who had reached out to her. So so what happens? Are there for shows up, and he either Ford usually works with a spirit named Fletcher and Fletcher is in touch with Houdini and this ability for the spirit world to communicate to our physical world is a little bit tricky to navigate and so sometimes spirits need a little more help with this and apparently Houdini as mother the spirit of genie's mother was also present to make this all happen. And they were able to make it kind of a like a show a very theatrical show where hurry would work with best the same way they worked when they were on stage and use her as an assistant and and have her. Well, he was very poetic with her very at times, very touching and romantic. And there were statements like throw open the curtain and all of this. But what they did was they put this ten key words on the table. And then they decoded them. And after it was decay. Coded the message. I'll tell it in just a minute. But first I want to explain that. This is a nickname that Harry used for her was Rosa bell. And this came about to a popular song right around the time when they got married and this song had a little bit or perhaps more of the song inside her wedding ring. And so Harry Calder Roosevelt. And so the message once it was decoded was Rosa bell Belise, and it really really touched Bess, and she was very very strong and clear in her language that her husband had spoken to her. And did anyone know did did anyone know did Arthur Ford? No. That Rosa bell was the pet name for Besser was this common knowledge. It might have been known throughout the close friends. So I really can't say about that. There's a story going around that I registered the other day on the internet because I was trying to brush up on this kind of stuff. Someone said that there was a big bromance between Arthur Ford and bass who is twenty years older than he and he saw her wedding ring and saw the inside of it and saw where it said Roosevelt, and blah, blah, blah. I just don't find this credible. So I won't go into it. But yeah, there are people that say that it's quite possible that they would have known that he referred to as Roosevelt, but the believe is actually came through the decoding of those other would I again, he just he didn't of Ford through his spirit guide Fletcher. Just didn't shout out the word believe they used the secret coating message that we had mentioned earlier using those keywords pray answer. Say now tell please speak quickly look and be quick in. And these all when decoded spelled out the message which began with Rosa bell and believe yes. Yes. And she declared this a success she declared a success. Correct. Absolutely. And in fact, the very next day. And in fact, I think this was written in another newspaper by someone who was present. At the sand said, this is a lot of nonsense. It wasn't true. And so that's that's why her statement says regardless of any statements made to the contrary I wish to declare that the message in its entirety and in the agreed upon sequence. Given to me by other Ford is the correct message pre-arranged between Mr. Houdini and myself, and then it signed by not only her but three witnesses one of them is a Representative of the United Press. Another one is one of her lifelong, friends and another one is someone from scientific American. And this this this letter was reprinted in the New York Times. And she gave an interview to the times again confirming that that this was a success that had happened. Yeah. I think so in effect the newspaper articles that I was reading could clearly see her in support for a good while and then around fourteen months after this. There's a hard switch where she suddenly starts to denounce. The now that anything was valid that. There was any evidence whatsoever. That this was a genuine contact. So it's it's quite shocking. But before that before she sort of recanted. There was another reporter with a either a magazine or a newspaper called the New York. Graphic graphic rather than your graphics and tell me about this reporter is it re- juju Ari I can't pronounce the name. But. But I think the first name is Ari. A and I think it's pronounced right? She had an apartment, and she invited Arthur Ford over to visit her and she was going to interview him, and she had some friends hiding, I don't know where they're hiding in the closet, but there's hiding somewhere and they're going to witness this exchange. Well, the person that shows up it's not really author Ford. It's someone that's been page when personate Arthur Ford, and he shows up, and he says I paid MRs Houdini some money, she gave me the code. I'm just here to tell you the truth. I just you know, it's really funny because that's heard about as well, the reporter wrote this up, and so vast responded in a letter to that same paper where she just completely denies it there. She's been a party of fraud. Anyway. And if Arthur Ford said that they were in cahoots. He's a liar. I mean, she's very clear in this letter goes on and on and I had never seen this letter until yesterday, and it's an article posted on a website and the author's name is Greg Newkirk. So it's this was written to Walter wind chill, the great Walter winchell. That's what I thought I had read that. There was a letter written to watch Walter winchell. And he was yes. The social go to guy, you know. And but this kind of made it look like it was a letter written to this. The New York evening graphic. But it doesn't matter there may have been two letters, but she was very supportive in these were supposed to be private letters. The letters starts off saying this letter is not for publicity. I do not need publicity. You know? I'm just telling you. I was no party to any fraud. You know? But anyway, there's a number of things like this. Where it looks like someone saying we've got proof there's fraud he confessed. And then it's like, yeah. But that wasn't him. His lawyer said he was somewhere else at the time. So Arthur Ford didn't go to this meeting with this reporter at all. Right. However at some point Bess Houdini further muddies the water because although she has been insisting and insisting that had happened, then she does an abrupt about-face. Yes. And you know in the first days after the message happened in one of the newspaper articles. I read something where she says. Oh, by the way, my family and friends, they don't buy this. You know, they don't believe in spirit communication, you know. And so I think that this festered and she was tired of being ridiculed by your friends being labeled a nut. And I think she just sold it and said, you know, what I'm I'm I'm going to go back to my friends. I want them to excess except me and she even said things like if anyone says they get in touch with me after my death knows that it's false. I will not. Try to get in touch with anyone. So this also muddy the water. And when I mean, how long after the seance in twenty nine was he recanting and changing her position. I think it was about fourteen months, fourteen months, and but also she had at some point she had offered up an award a reward a ten thousand dollar prize to anyone to ten thousand. But and then she refused to pay for it. So interesting too. Yeah. Because you know, if you really wasn't cahoots with Arthur Ford, he could have done this, much, more gracefully. She basically said, hey, look, I'm not paying because a couple of weeks before this happened. I retract the offer. Well, that sounds pretty pretty iffy. Whereas if they were in cahoots he could have said, I'm so happy that she's so generous, but I don't want my spiritual progress to be hindered. By some kind of monetary motivation would have been much more graceful see I mean, but it was just days after where she says, I'm not. Not gonna pay the money. Right. So your your feelings are the best basically. And she herself was an avowed do bunker for fifty years. And so the social pressure from her family was just too much. And so she she caved and she recanted. Yeah. But that's what happened. I think the subtitle of my essay says something like that does MRs Houdini wanna be a nut or something like that. It's not on the online version but down. But anyway, I think she just got tired of arguing with anybody and wanted to be with the people that you've been with her whole life and be accepted by them. There's also a lot of confusion, and we should touch on this because I think we should go into everything Arthur Ford himself shortly after I think it was about a couple of years after this. He was in a really bad car accident. He was with his sister, his car accident and his healing process is aided by painkillers and some of this is morphine, and it becomes addicted to morphine, and he for the rest of his life has morphine and alcohol problems. And I think this might have affected his ability to function as a psychic and much later near the end of his life. And I'm sorry. I don't have the dates on this. He was involved in a very high profile say on with pike. That's the name that comes to mind James pike up. Yes. It was up here on on a in Canada a Canadian mental health. There's another Canadian connection. Yes. Yes. And I think it's I'm looking at it. Now, nineteen sixty seven Ford how a say on for pike. Now. Pike son had tragically committed suicide the year before. Now what? Four did for this high profile seance with he did all the secrets do? On some kind of breaking up on his Thomas. I'm not sure if it's your cordless phone or a cell phone. But maybe if you keep very still and speak maybe area, it's actually a voice over IP line. And sometimes it does break up that a little better. It is okay. James pike. This is an episcopal Bishop his son had committed suicide a year earlier. And now Ford is doing a seance on Canadian television. Yes. And and he does a little up front research brings it into the sand says if he's getting it in a psychic way. Whereas in fact, he got it from a conventional way this was discovered after four died and people went through his papers and found his research, preparing for the sats, and that's why people say this. So this is another black Mark against Arthur Ford, and it's again, muddies the water. So this case the Houdini case as fun as it is in his exciting at it is it's not gonna be the first breakthrough convince all the hard. No skeptics it. Just isn't right. But but okay. So Ford is discredited because of the sands in Canada in nineteen sixty seven, but as you point out he had been taking morphine he had been drinking perhaps that had damaged his. Medium abilities. Does that necessarily discredit the work that he did on on the Houdini case?.

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