17 Burst results for "Moxley Omega"
"moxley omega" Discussed on The Corner
"And. They've done nothing to build him know paranoid Kip saving was a terrible decision and then the crazy thing is unless he kept save. Merrill's like he looks amazing. Physique wide has looked promo cutting abilities great. But this gimmick impairing saving was dumb. This was the dumbest thing. There was other ways it could have done this with him. Yeah this has to be a red herring. Crush Kip saving have the crazy mainstream that red hair knees hurry fuck up 'cause like I don't I'm not saying mural needs to be the picture right now but he needs to be separated from this like being over video games come on. No. It makes very little sense and then we have. This was even worse. The number one contenders tournament. Bracket was revealed come on. Can you project any harder? Really Hangman page versus Colt Cabana you're talking about a guy like Merrill talking to you gotTa Gun at Brian Cage you have this Dow, ever starts yes. CORNEAL side. You have this talent on your show where you can give credible first round matches and actually make it look like you don't know what's going to happen at the end. Fuck that Phoenix Pentagon going against each other could it be a good match but a Pentagon is GonNa Win And then Omega. Vestige. Annella. Omega Win Omega when or Megan Kanka versus Pentagon great match rematch from all in the first. YUP IS GONNA. Be. Incredible. Macha. A carnival match tons of time Omega is GonNa win. Then other end Cococabana, hangman page wardlow and jungle boy. Juggle boys going to beat wardlow 'cause I don't know why. Coke has no chance against England age. At Haven Beijing jungle boy they're going to give you twenty minute match ranked page is GonNa win they deem since I think world might actually be jungle boy. All right but either way. We know. We know how this is ending Kenny Omega versus hangman page at fucking full gear we don't need to tournaments to do this. Now. Up. At least they could made it believable. Yeah. No. They did not it makes no depth this. Is Worse than wwe old school king of the ring. You know what might actually happen though is it might swerve us now that everybody's seeing this bracket. Because what they have done a lot of lately. and. If you if you I don't see I don't know where you're going with this. If your third thing is the m j f Jericho interaction is. Yesterday. Okay. Got An likely. So as you can see AWS lately, we've been trying to bait and switch us on a lot of things. So th now they've been playing this mgm Jericho thing to like Oh they're going to turn each other at some point but now they're toying with us they can sit this bracket up for one of those guys to lose. And completely throw this out of whack and but then we'll get look at like why even tease Yeah. Then then what it's like you're more for your own good. there. If it doesn't end. And I like page a lot. But if it doesn't end in, he'll Kenny Omega winning and You get. Three months of a bill between him and Moxley then what the fuck are we doing I don't know I don't know see because even if Omega Beats Page right he'll Omega you can run an Omega and page feud for like a month and a half and. Then pivot right into ahead of the next pay per view going Moxley Omega. But even though the only problem with this is we've done Moxie, Omega. Did them like a one. But they had they had a couple of matches. The only we didn't do pays versus Moxley. No I guess you could wait to put Omega into the picture I. I mean I don't know what doc I, don't know what you're doing. Where Awa tries to be the smartest kid in the room, you don't have to all the time just give us what we want, which is page versus Omega I don't need a tournament to get us there. They are on opposite ends of the WWE. Yes. This is a pendulum we are in the middle and they on opposite sides where wwe knows we want gives us none of it and Awa knows what we want and gives us too much of it like your overthinking. So it's crazy. Then mtfg things like. I'm wearing. Look man it's like get it but I. was things you see like do a girl and they're like flirt and all the time you just go are you gonNa fuck or what? That's what I feel like we're at with these two is like come on man like we know we're going to get to this. I thought it some ways it was cute and clever what they did this week like GonNa take you either stay like playing on the whole like beefy Promo thing was funny but you can only do this for so long on like. Just. Go and fuck already get with. Yeah. I agree. It's like all right too much too much tees. it's not corny but it's still like all right I'm done with this like we're good. But I guess you know gotTa take it to the pay per view. So. We'll see how that goes. Let's a quick break. When we come back, we'll talk about the wwe draft drafted the main roster before we get out of here and touch a little bit of new Japan, I can leave you guys with us new Japan Talk. So you guys stay right there. We'll be right.
"moxley omega" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"GonNa say todd when up did me and I'm glad you did exact. Thank you yes. I'm comfortable with the top six Moxley Omega Jericho. It's been a long a hangman. Page cody and is that six. What the BUXTON. No No. I'm talking to the singles. I feel like there's somebody else. Maybe it's maybe it's tough Jericho. Mega Moxley cody hangman. Pay Top five. But I'm comfortable with that as a core to to build on and I assume they'll be one two or three more either that were already on the show that they'll build up or sign rounded out. I think that's fine. I think you can work with that in in particular because and that leads to this the CO main event of the second last match. They really did talk a lot about tag team wrestling and bringing back and I know I've talked about that a lot. Bruce Wade give up. It's not gonNA happen. Or McMahon A that's out of context go ahead. What's what's the context said. I'm coming back. Wwe This is not wwe so glad we agree and but here that I liked that the stress was on and they were you know taken not so veiled Dixit. Wwf In that regard Ross. Talking about growing up living take team wrestling and this that co main event was a showcase of what can be so they put the action in the ring and the presentation and heck the match positioning. They put their money where their mouth was so to speak. As far as team wrestling went phenomenal. Take team match as was expected going in with the young bucks against Liu brothers. Pentagon and Ray Phoenix Title Authority. I on on this your thoughts on this tag match and kind of the larger issue take immersing a W match. I have that much to say about it because it was just so you know really good match as as not expect from the From these guys because they have miliary with each other and they're all they're all terrific ressources well as far as tackling muscling general goes. I mean. That's that's going to be an interesting interesting question. I mean they've got got a bunch of really good teams here and you can tell that they're gonNA emphasize it. They're going to try to make it feel important. The young bucks are are you know. One of their one of their top acts and you know between Between brothers and you and the Super Smash Brothers whatever name. They ended up giving them and the best friends and all these other All these other teams you've got you've got a lot of a lot of good tag teams here the question. I have the somebody that long advocated for for for tatting wrestling. Like you have way because I think that allows you to mix up different things at the same time so if you have a the thing. That's the way I've always let us like if you if you're trying to peek things at the same time right like you're not always going to be able to Pique. The top singles feud because if you peak it all the time you're not get the biggest ones I could it be that big because there's nothing to compare it against you know so India knocking want to give away finishes so if you have a attacking division or other division women's Division as well At points when you have a lower major singles match you know like let's say in you know if you've got if you've got a one week one month you've got seth perfect perfect sample smackdown. You've got you've got Kofi Kingston against Daniel Bryan one month. That's a higher pay per view the next month. You've got Kofi Kingston against against off stickler that's going to be a lower pay per view in terms of interest if you've also got a really good team division a really good women's division and you're planning things out you can. You can time things so that your big tag team match comes at the same time that your lower singles matches and then the flip side when you have a lower tag team match. I'm I'm doing great Hanson. By the way here I've got a big graph chart going on here You've got the the the higher singles match at the time you've got the lower tag match and that's you know that's a big A big benefit if you build it up. The problem is potential jeopardy is that Debbie is defined wrestling over such a long period of time is not being important that it's going to be an uphill climb to educate people otherwise and Even if you have this great tag team division I think some fans. There's just. There's a built in stigma that they're gonNA have to. They're going to have to combat and and we'll see how they can do with that Burst of your thoughts on this metro. A hell of a match. I was great and thinks about it was. They were there fighting for tag team belts. They weren't fighting a war. You know who who put limit into their jockstrap or any of that stock and so it really like. That's what you can do like you can just use those belts. You don't have to go wrestling's crap. Who THE HELL. Whatever believe these belts in this championship and all that kind of stuff just simply the fight for championship and it's important to win the tag team championships? And if you do that then you've got then you've got charismatic wrestlers who can pull it off. I thought that they did. And then this was the this is one of the matches where the actual was. Fast was faster than it is in. Wwe And I and it was faster than some of the matches on on the card. I liked it. There was some allies that there was some variety in the in the work. And you the other thing I think I don't think people thinking this far head but you can also take singles wrestlers who are single stars and have them challenge. Put a team together. Have them challenge for your tie championships and have your tag team? Champions beat them or just or have have have singles guys be attacked him for a while. And you get out of your acts you get more out of. You can mix and match better that just having the same matchup between the same two teams the same two wrestlers all the time you can give some variation and then and then go back to your main stories. And that's that's there but I you know. I think I'm returning to something a little more simple that that people can understand which is which is trying to be the best in the company. The best in the world have you. Have you liked to say it and hold the Championships? And and that people take that seriously instead of what they do in ww and don't have them in handicap matches with singles wrestling with a single star. And get the or you know. Look chump ish. You could even do. The the Tigers are better than tight is logical the tactical also better at tagging wrestling than the singles wrestlers. This because they don't do it as often and so there's a lot of stuff you can. You can do with that so yeah. I thought that this was this was way high in I. Also you know the. What was it Monday? We had the revival and I'm a fan of both teams but I don't WanNa hear about the use as being the best tactic in the world. I don't want to hear about the in the statue in the world because this was an entire level over that and and and they're not going to get and those teams aren't going to get that chance to show the one eighty to compete against this and to have a platform where they can show that they can what they can do all the way through so Yeah I thought this was great. I I like this this version of the box. It wasn't too clubhouse. You're cute it talk about the culture presentation. Wwe being in a large sense the problem with product. That's turning a lot of fans off and I thought the culture of the presentation of this match worked from the ring introductions the young bucks out outfits and playing in Vegas but not in cute away and it was really hot. It was high end ring gear. Look we say this real quickly? I love the cuts. That was an it wasn't cheesy. It wasn't meant to be Ha. It was it was like a genuine elvis in Vegas and it looked they looked expensive and really refined and well done and but when the match started it was about winning a match and winning a match that mattered and I also there was that layer. It's been something I remember John Williams writing about this and the person torture newsletter and early nineties during the all the the Ultra Pan Glory period of that era. And how every match if you know the history and the call backs and the references it. There's this whole other layer. It's like the more you understand about baseball. The more you can appreciate the game you can never stop learning Todd Mosley. There's a like that right now too. I'm trying to think out. Yeah the not the all new. Yeah that you're right on yeah. Yeah and that's where I'm heading. I mean obviously the this has been going on for a long time and the the layers that you can peel back in. The callback is what is is what people love about. New Japan and fans of today's era of new Japan crave that and when you give it to them in the bucks gave it to them here just with a callback to some moves that the motor city machineguns elseneer Kevin Steen used against the bucks and they're big high-profile matches and you have Excalibur pointing it out your I. I know our audience and I know what like people who listen to our podcast. What they crave. And that's that's something that. Wwe doesn't give the wrestlers. I try sometimes but the culture the presentation the overall presentation from the top down through the headsets doesn't feed that it doesn't reward it and this match did and that's something that you they need to appeal to people who are never going to know any of that stuff care but they're going to have that crowd support and that goodwill in the type of crowd reaction they had tonight that's GonNa pull in other fans when they do reward those fans at that level. Who are going to recognize that. Even without the commentary I. I was nervous at the beginning with the skit in the hallway with the bucks and todd. You said walking out on the stage and WHO's going to be you know. We're all learning to Mike Enroll in it together. This match was the bucks that can that. I felt good about the tone of the company when he talked about. Learning about what? What are they going to be? Serious or ironic. Is IT GOING TO BE SUPER KICK PARTY? This was just enough super kicks but it felt like a serious high level. Take match out of any era and so I was really happy on the number of levels with this one. Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling. Podcasts will come join me. Alan.
"moxley omega" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"Let's let's shift gears and talk about e w revolution the road to code against deb. J. Off has been a journey that people are GonNa Watch. They're gonNA remember for a long time. I mean going through some big segments including the big cage match moment last week. Your evaluation of Kodiak Jeff as a in terms of the hype and in terms of what it means for both cody and I'm Jeff. I think it's been an entertaining ride. I mean a bit confusing at times on the throughout the three stipulations and all of that. I think they need to do something on the go home. Show to really put some heat on. Mj Up again code. He's been through the ten lashes and that was he But wardlow delivered the most memorable one even though M J F delivered to kick the balls so it was like nine for him j. f. and then the memorable one big just belt shot from hell for more low and then cody gets by wardlow. And it wasn't like he took a lot of abuse in that Nash. She just got by him. So cody has all the momentum. And there is something you know obviously. Hey we WANNA see cody. Get his hands on. Mj would give us another reason. Why I think M J F hasn't felt enough like Roddy Piper in the sense of. Yeah that there's that there's a threat that cody threatened by him. This is more than like. There's a gauntlet that you have to go through that. You won't make it but em doesn't seem like he's someone that code should anyway fear and cody standing tall on the cage ellison black last night the idea was that the beat him up so he's weakened with was cody. I don't sense told the story that he went through this grinding gauntlet. He's weakened and now I'm jeff can rub together and say I got you so I'm curious tomorrow night. What the final cell is for this to frame it is it. Just yeah code is going to destroy or is it a a sense that there is some some jeopardy with cody going into this match because I want you know cody's if people aren't paying attention and only saw cody and wwe. They haven't seen this journey to him. Being a embraced by the fan base as a top star. And you can make the argument pretty well. I think that he's the top star. Uw More than Moxley Omega. Take your pick Jericho. I would absolutely listen to counter argument to that too. I mean there's no it's close. It's some of it is just personal perspective. On what what you look for in who you like the most because certainly Mosley Jericho are right there. But that said you want cody Kamata. This was the momentum but you also want to protect them Jeff can be. I think more Roddy Piper than Chris Jericho in terms of what he should pattern himself after an in an aspire to be and so you want to protect him to but you also want to give fans a satisfying payoff as this being a big match on the pay per view so I just the time for them to step up as as as bookers and show me that they you know long term plan and long-term planning with bad chapters on the way isn't good long-term planning with bad payoff at the end isn't good either and so I'm curious to see what they do. Not only tonight but of course. Sunday. It's I guess maybe I mean I think it's just. This is the direction they've chosen is to make. 'em JFK full of cody. That he's GonNa talk a big game in the closer he gets to the match the more. He's fearful I kind of wish. It was okay. Good luck and you made it through this. Let's go and Jeff wasn't backing down and made it can ultimately be revealed. It's because he had a plan and whether that plan is successful or not. It doesn't have to be that he's just all full of bravado but there was a moment when cody took the ten lashes and he he kind of had the damn it kind of a moment where he was hoping to get out of the match That it does kind of take away so it is all about seeing cody. Get his hands on this guy but I would think that the we'll see but I think that the right move to is to extend this viewed and let 'em go over somehow I know. Yeah so bring it on. Let's see what he's got what they have in mind Chris Jericho Jon. Moxley your evaluation of the of the hype for this and obviously we got tomorrow night yet to go in. So they can accelerate or extinguish some of the momentum but your thoughts on a similar story. Moxie going through some some battles three members of of inner circle to before getting to Jericho. How do you evaluate the hype and Moxley having Momento very good? I think they've done a really nice job with this. It's it doesn't feel like Wrestlemainia main event big or anything like that but it feels big and it builds like the challenger does have the momentum. And there's a good chance you're GONNA see a title change whether they have that in mind. I don't know but that's what you should be thinking going into. This title. Mashed at the baby based Challenger has the momentum and is going to win that championship and I think they've pulled that off so far. Moxley was worried about where they were. You know where he would fit in and if the VP's were not in the creative team we're not prioritizing getting him over in the way that he needed to get over in the first couple of months and I think they've got him on track you know. I don't think you need to do a lot with Moxley for him to get over. And you can kind of get in the way sometimes with both booking as wwe did because there's something about him that commands attention and his promos are authentic and what he does in the rain is is distinct and compelling so when you have all those ingredients plus just the star power being in the shield and that kind of goodwill with fans and star power and recognition going for them and. I think they've found the row for Moxie as Moxley showing himself to use someone who should be champion at some point. If not starting Sunday night or does he come across somebody who visits the main event and does that but is probably better off. In in personal feuds on the second or third from the top match most of the time I can go either way on this one. I think you can with the China on him. It'd be fine you. He doesn't need the title he is. He's as they coolness doing that. That people really connect to and so he doesn't have to have that championship. I don't think there'll be a huge backlash if he doesn't win the championship on this show so I mean I think you can but it's not necessarily it's a nice. I mean you much rather have the guy that no. He's ready he needs this now. There's nothing he's not ready but you need much rather have it be no. They have to go with this guy. As champion people are craving it that much. I don't send it to that extreme but I do think that he's very over and I think that again it's not a bad position to be in where you have that versatility. Yeah I agree. I agree I lean now towards him. Not being champion. But if he's champion don't have run with it either. Yeah when I say leaned that way I just think because I think he ended up with you end up with more if you give. He doesn't need the championship. And I don't think it will elevate him a ton from from where he is now but if he has a championship. I think he's a good face. The company that that might draw some some viewers to want to see the Moxley as the guy getting the push that they wanted him to get and wwe or maybe didn't know they wanted to get but now they like him even more apparently remember the days. When women's wrestling matches were relegated to the mid card dumping ground and treated like glorified intermission. You mean the era when it was only men in the top spots in the feds getting the biggest matches every night. Yeah vaguely seriously. Well we might have a long way to go really have come a long way baby. And that's why we started grit and glitter cast covering the best in the world of women's wrestling from the horsewoman. Wwe To the goddesses of stardom and everyone between each Tuesday. Emily myself and our team of guests. Correspondence talk the best matches and the biggest news in women's wrestling plus.
"moxley omega" Discussed on Le Batard & Friends - Mystery Crate
"Even though the wrestlers were great and they had some great stories back then when they started getting their hd net like Weekly television show is just like they lost tyler black. Who is now the Eh he fought Daniel Bryan for like One episode of Danielson Bryan Danielson American dragon chat out and then the stars sort of dissipated and it was so frustrating because they had already had their talent rosser totally rated by WWe which had notice. Everything went to the Nigel McGuinness. It's went to the TA and they had some interesting things. They did there at the time when Nigel McGuinness and the young box went and they change their names. And it's like wait who were Desmond Wolfe and generation me Yeah I didn't understand why they would change those guys names with when they built up great reputations and rustling people still with the young bucks joke joke all the time about generation me young bucks and this is sort of my heartache. I think the young bucks when people talk about the Pantheon everyone everyone does like these lists and it always seems just so weighted towards a pass because people get nostalgic and remember what the what things were like when they were growing up. I honestly think that young bucks are absolutely in the conversation grace tag team of all time. I agree with the work that they've done. Really I think to contemporary acts. Stick out its young bucks and new day because a new days really unlike any tag team. Well there's three guys in the temptation they haven't I like that. They've never sort of broken up and it's so easy to go that especially when Kofi goes on a singles around it so easy to do the played out sort of rockers storyline like I hope they keep them as a unit and happy. It's all power positively and I would really hate to see that disbanded but right up there with with the new day in terms of like match-quality the young bucks I think simply cannot be touched right now that is a major guys actually like market them as like a top line star which is so great to see with tag team wrestling. Like there's going to be a w cards were tag team and you've done it with dynamite but pay per views big time pay reviews were the tag team. Championship is a main yet. I mean some of the best matches we've had native of absolutely been the tag team matches and the young bucks and the loser. Brothers helped put the company on the map. You Watch that match The the The ladder match that they had any part of you is like I gotta worrying about protecting my investment here because there were are some bumps in there that were really mad took one that was just genuinely like is. He arrived at the table. Here it's going to be okay. Do you have conversations with this. I know you guys had a rather controversial storyline. With cody. Rhodes taking a chair shot. That wasn't as this story. Yeah the the idea of somebody taking a chair in wrestling. Isn't that shocking shocking. Talking now when you see like a a a chair being delivered to the head in American wrestling because wwe sort of there were a number of things about the execution of that that we're not the way it was supposed to be we don and now so i. I was pretty clear at the time I caught reduce pilot error. Because I thought we had come up with you know I didn't necessarily want anybody using it in the first place but if they were going to do it they were GonNa do it under certain guidelines and those guidelines were not followed. I understan- all that chair shots and sort of blood. That sort of reminds me of like at the E. W J's and there safer ways to do that. Yeah I was looking I WANNA be safer than he. Cw and that was supposed to be safer and that was It was not done the way it's supposed to be and it was addressed do you. You think that's something lacking not for the sake of doing it but I even had anything like that sense by the way since I that was our second show we'd ever done and it was before we started TV and it was. It was fighter fast and it was the second show done and you know I like I said it was addressed after that and I haven't anything like that. Since Moxley Omega had a very violent match you think there's a place for that sort of style when it comes to modern day wrestling storytelling on pay per view. I think there is You know for that. That kind of wrestling You know the hard core fans absolutely. I think there is as an audience for that and I wouldn't put a match like the Moxie Omega Lights out match on television but I think on pay per view the way it was done where we said like okay. Ah We're flipping the lights out and we're not responsible for what you see here. This is the end of the show and you know as far as the kids are concerned laughter. Cristiano versus cody. You can put him to bed. I really really liked that. You'd literally that's a cliche. Put the kids to bed. Match was actually quite funny. One more question for you because I know you gotta go here. I don't know it's What was come back? This is come on. I love to come back double or nothing. There seems as there's temple show in Chicago every year for the first couple years of your double or nothings in Vegas okay. I'm sorry. Yeah there was all out. Yeah there was all in and then it was all out it seems as though that's like the tentpole And then double or nothing came on the scene. Is that going to be like the sort of Wrestlemainia Wrestlemainia of all the double or nothing in Las Vegas. Is that the plan that we've got a big four right now that we were building around we've done set the the kid in you the wwe. Because when I was growing up survivor series royal rumble wrestlemainia Summer Slam. Sure I think there's you know if that helps you know I'm just no I A major the big. We've got the majors exactly the Grand Slam Golf and tennis. You got the big everything has four. I don't I think the end there's room for other are great shows too. I think these are four. We've established and we have other. You know I also I'd like to do you know fighter fast again and we've built up a big four though. Oh and it's you know double or nothing in Las Vegas Memorial Day weekend all out In the Chicago area which is Labor Day weekend. And then you you know in November. We've done full gear this past year. Which went great in Baltimore and I'm not sure as opposed to double or nothing being an all out where I really think those are going to stay around the Vegas in Chicago area? I'd like to go back to Baltimore for full gear. Believe not locked in a location for full gear. So that could that could be that could be a show that kind of moves around potentially but They've we had a great experience in Baltimore and then Also we've got a big show coming up that sold out minutes which were doing for the the first time in February twenty-ninth leap day in Chicago. It will be our next big pay per view revolution and that's going to have a huge huge huge card and it'll be the first time we've done revolution so who knows where that will fit in the hierarchy of this but I do think it's going to be huge. You'd show for US revolution. I'd like to be able to do it every year. But this is the first time we've done it let's Seattle goes it's in conjunction AC- too. It's pretty cool because I'm from Illinois. We've done all out and an episode of dynamite in the Schaumburg area area Hoffman estates the sears centre which is a suburb of Chicago and people are always like. Oh you've done to shows in Chicago we've never done a show in Chicago but revolution is is in Chicago at the wintrust arena. So we'll actually be debut in the city wrestling crowd on the way out here. I'd like to convince you to do a show at craven cottage. Just Mary. All the world's I would I'd love to do it. I've actually been to craven cottage with the box. Actually and we looked at it. and IT'S A it's a big venue and a big outdoor venue and when when we do our debut and show in England. I'm not sure the cause you'll be the first place you'd want. We'd go but it would be a great place to a wrestling any day. Any day I can spend at. The cottage is a good. It's such a classic venue and it'd be so called the C O wrestling show at the cottage. It'd be All Time I can't thank you enough for being so generous with your time. I know you gotta go. Hopefully occasionally when he got a big I shall we can get together and catch up and maybe talk about your product a little bit more because Fan of what you guys around this Wednesday she go to the show..
"moxley omega" Discussed on The Masked Man Show
"Hey it's gonna be really impressive. That's Ed Cody match I think was a was. A big cody. Jericho match was a perfect match for what they're trying to do Both of them came out looking. Good in cody. Gut himself removed from the main event. Seen in straight into another feud giving cody cody has been you know. Basically all of this story lines are being written on pay per views. I mean he just goes from one to the next and I think that's a really cool way of telling stories and eh wasn't a match or the year or anything like that but it's you know it was a good match and And you know it. It helps the company it helps to. It helps the image of Awa for those guys to be to be going at it as a big show. Omega Moxley was just wild. I mean wild. I talked about it some last week but it was it. It was a really really good match. But I'm I'm actually a little bit on the Meltzer side on this one like it was a really good match. It's really hard to watch. I think in the time between sort of the attitude era did prior to that sort of the indie death match the Japanese Babe in the in the time between when I was like when we as wrestling wrestling fans were super into that stuff and now I have just become increasingly squeamish. I think most of it's because it's like it's one thing to watch something like that live and another thing to like seek it out. It's like faces of death or something like I'm GonNa go on Youtube. No like that like just disgusting even like the plan style even like the crazy guerrero blade jobs and the whatever I can't watch says deaf so to like to sit down and watch it knowing what they're about to do setting up for spots. It's just like you know it's it's is a little bit eerie but It was a fantastic match. I mean they'd it was a really really well-worked match and they told a really good story and Is that real glass. Yeah yes I mean. I don't know I don't I don't know if they use like some sort of like sugar and I don't know how they would do it. Though I was at a I was Adda. Lucia underground show where I guess INEX- tease current. I mean currently known as for Scott and the next and who is wrestling so him and somebody else just like I went through like a like triple layer of plate glass right next to me and I I swear like blood splattered onto my face always terrible who actually reminded me a little bit of war games. Where like the set you know all of a sudden you realize there's two tables set up in the two main guys are climbing to the top of the cage and war games and you're like Oh shit shit like this is going to be terrible that moment of hesitation and that he's always a lot in Moxley Omega to where like the when you see what they're setting up you're just like Oh my God ah but so anyway dancer your question? Yes they really do. Use Real Glass. I mean most of it's just knowing how to knowing how to work. I mean dude. I mean I wouldn't go. I don't care how much how you know. Well trained I was in the art of taking bumps. I'm not GonNa fall backwards under the thumb tacks or take staple gun to the head or you know whatever else else. Even if you're assured me that it would be fine. Everything they they're just they're different sort of human beings in your transition this back to to this weekend with WWe in state so the annex t push over the weekend. You'd think that correlates with the w Wednesday night wars correct it. Yeah like. They probably wouldn't win over as much. Had there not been a WMD say nights a little bit arbitrary right. I mean the years past past like they they sort of like half asked whatever the fallout is looking for the night and then afterwards just like yeah but I think a lot of booking sense it makes will with a with numbers. What ratings ratings is huge this week? Yeah I mean they were big. They won they won the week last week. when the night last week I should say listen. It makes a whole lot of sense but they did with Ron's on Monday night coming out. And kind of turning heel and lecturing the the roster was a great great fallout from it and maybe that was part of the plan. But the deal is like Sa- if if you lose if your show loses then you can do that you can have the general manager come amount like berate the kind of he'll off on everybody. You can do a lot of things. It's really. There's not a lot of meaning in winning survivor series. Right because what if Rawlins or smackdown wins. And I'm like what the guy the guys will have to go back to fighting each other anyway so I mean it's not like he could have. It's not like smackdown one. Then Friday night would just be like a party with cake and wine you know. I mean there's they still have to have a wrestling show so I'll pizza so but but for a whole lot of sense right because there is a sort of internal pride mkx fans can take pride and everything so It makes it. It is it is certainly more of a lesser US versus them brand just inherently and it makes it makes more sense for them to win but also as far as like mainstream. WWe viewers even people who just watch like the big four classic pay Per Review Survivor series. Being one of them if they happen to tune in I mean they're getting turned on to so many annex t guys now totals MARLA really smart. Now it's it's really good. I mean a and to see the crew. That was out there. I thought it was really really interesting. The punishment Martinez or sorry Damien priests was on the team I think just he's A. He's an interesting visual but they picked him instead of those crazy about him. They picked him instead of Jacovic which is just sort of interesting. But that wasn't crazy about that guy either but regardless I mean they need they had big guys out there. Oh Yeah Yeah you're right and I told you guys six thirty who coach Yeah I mean there. There listed at six five or something like that which means it probably like my side. The there there was a moment. I gotTa tell you remember. How many times you've talked about on this show and on back on cheap? We talked about the my radio rule like everybody tweets about it. Well listen I mean this was actually a night where every comer was actually like everybody on the roster was in the ring with Randy. Orton if you watch Monday night raw randy. Orton is legitimately like one of the biggest guys on the roster now like he's proportionately Andre the giant compared to everybody else's wrestling he went like nose-to-nose drew McIntyre like non bigger than you. And you're like Oh wait. He kind of he might be like Andrew McIntyre's giant you know It's it's really wild but I. There was a moment where I know it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't on Sunday but like during the invasion moments in the previous week where keithly was like. Come Anna Actually Tall I got you never I see them. You know compared to anybody else accepted this kind of close university t. v. WGN everything and I was worried for a second but Keith lease just so wide that it doesn't even matter and and he is tall so he gave me a little king. Hippo vibe Tyson's like if he had the the ex on his belly should gas go with that. I was going to say also about like the annex t call ups is changing and everything I feel like within Ballard going down and then Kevin it's also being in an xt on. What was that? Saturday night Friday or Saturday Sunday so I feel like that can happen a lot. Got More now with the kind of like open that door where it's not like demotion. Nah I hope they do hope. There's hope there's a lot more movement between because it's it's fine to have these separate rosters and probably better than anything to have the separate rosters but man that I think you can tell better stories with a smaller group of people and you can and you're forced to sort it would be more creative and it's and it's very interesting. I mean there's a lot a lot of cool upside to it. It's like again like a territorial system. Where like man you know? I'll say I've said it a million times. I grew up watching memphis wrestling. I love Memphis wrestling and I go back and watch it now. And I'm like do they had like six people on the roster it was like it was like six dudes the three of them were related. No but like Oh yeah it would be like like you know soul train Jones is now now virgil but like soul train match. And there'd be that conspicuously sold train Jones looking guy dropping out like two matches before whatever but but it was a really small roster supplemented by jobbers and by you know the temp the temps. Basically you know it'd be just like so-and-so's come in from Florida or whatever like someone's is coming from New York to work a little angle or and sometimes they're just unlike prepackaged videos but The whole point is you would get so excited you know I love Bill Dundee. Love Dutchman L. Obviously Live Jerry lawler back in the day but you get so excited when anybody when Nick Buckle would show up you know and and and just because it would be like Whoa woes different guy or just who. They were feuding if well sometimes they'd feud lawler against Justin like legit. No names guys would go onto something else. We but when like an established tressler from Florida from Texas or wherever came in you were just like hell. Yeah like this especially if you'd seen them before on. ESPN or something but so they have the ability to do that with the brands. Now I I hope they keep the brands pretty separate but I hope they don't have any stupid rules where it's like. We're not gonNA bring in Matt Riddle. The feud with a J styles why that would be really cool to just imagine the if if we go oh four months or three months without any kind of crossover and then suddenly like an INEX-. Ti answers a challenge on one of the other shows like that'll be awesome. Yeah J Garcia esque. I With Alex. Tea clearly established as the dominant. Women's brand do you think there will be more invasion angles or will everything go back.
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"Brain Elber is here Wrestling Observer Live Mike semper. VP also rustling dot com. Dave meltzer joining. It's year day and Dave. I know it's early probably shouldn't even bother blood any early indicators for last night's battle no other than I do have a few markets where he w was down. But I don't know if that's I mean it's not a good sign but I don't know that that's going to hold nationally but I did get. I did get a few results and they were down slightly but I got nothing on an xt so obviously we've got another ladder match coming up next week. I presume that the the ladder ladder matches for the The advantage vantage right two straight ladder matches on television. The seems like overkill is it. Just me My you know it does seem like the ladder matches probably I mean it's if they win for the women and they gotta do one for the men they're trying to eke quill but yeah. I mean definitely overdoing ladder matches. It feels like sure what are your what are your thoughts actually especially running into TLC pay per view and a couple of weeks six thoughts on the smackdown or the survivor series. Pay Per view in the sense that we do have brand versus is brand versus brand which I think they figure is going to be like a big drive though late literally. We just came off the wild card yet. But it's new and annexed. He hasn't been involved at different French. Titles on the line those matches not a nose matches but there's a Leshner rim stereo. I think it'll show less than ray I think so. Yeah pretty it's red white bread white and gender. Brian title match. Yeah so what is the Daniel Bryan Bray Wyatt Story. As far as what did they have planned. And what does it look like right now. I don't know oh I don't know I mean I just saw that that was was stood for that's listed for the show they did angle on smackdown to start it. I presume they'll continue the Angolan on tomorrow. So did you get. I'm sure you've got mcquarters for rob. How did this Roussev Lashley lawn segment this week? It was up I believe eighty five thousand viewers. I mean it was it was one of the more. You know It was one of the biggest gainers of the show. Yeah I mean it wasn't like I wouldn't wouldn't call it overwhelming success but it was up. Yeah it's one of the biggest gainers on the show so we had to layer of this and it and it was late in the show when everything was falling and it was it gained against the football game so yeah it was a gainer so they've moved. TLC So we have to have another month of this At least probably more than that. I don't know that I don't know how long this goes. But yeah at least through mid December. Because that's the first man the first pay per view matches just December fifteen and. I don't believe it's a one match program. I think it's going to be multiple match program. I mean what's the endgame here. Like how clue I have no clue I have no clue it gets US woman back. That was just so diabolical and cheated on him. I don't even understand. Where does this even go? It goes. We'll circle in summary. Comes back I I think at the end you know. I don't know but I think at the end. Maybe they get back together just because who knows but who knows who knows. I mean I guess I kissed that. They probably know where it's going. I think they probably end up back together. WE'LL SEE I. You know I all I know is where is that. It's it's it's GonNa it's GonNa keep going for a while that's all I know. I'm so sad into these numbers being the the rating ratings are you know in everybody lives in is with them. Now because it's the key metric you know which is good or bad. That's what it is. Well liver divide. I mean for people oh who are not subscribers of wrestling's dot com and shame on them and they didn't hear us seems of radio yesterday or this morning. Can you talk about the last minute of the show and exactly what the number one million fifty nine thousand viewers but that was the last minute of the show but yeah that's an incredibly low number. Yeah Yeah I when I saw that it. It was like who Mike tells me. You'RE NOT GONNA turn to the football game. Not Everybody turned into the football game the last minute and if they did what does that. Say for your show in that last minute well it was after the pin so put still. I mean the show did have the biggest drop from our our three in the history of raw. So I mean you you know whatever it is I mean that last minute was was really spectacularly bad but the pattern really was bad but again also up against a really strong football bugging strongest football game in a long long time a much stronger than anything so far this season so there is an excuse. It was a taped show. I don't know if that really means a lot but the football football game means a lot here anything new on Johnny Gargano today his status. No nothing Nothing that we didn't already talk about. He's got a neck injury and he's out. Yeah it's bad really too bad so many things on that show. I should say there are so many things but I mean coming off the Johnny Gargano Injury and then I'm watching that ladder match ladders gets drop kicked right into someone's face in their face explodes. It's just like you know. There was a lot of criticism about that Moxley Omega match on on on Saturday and certainly wasn't my favorite match. I I ever saw bud. I mean both those guys came out of it with a lot less damage than Johnny Gargano and me. This look. There's interest every week in wrestling. I I mean that's just the reality of the the nature and it's funny because people are doing fewer dates but they're doing you know like look bladders or thrown around when when we start working with gimmicks like when you're working with your your body it's one thing but when you start working with gimmicks or you're doing brain busters on the floor and things like that. I mean. Yeah yeah the injury risk is gonNA go up It's not a it's not a good thing and it's funny because like every company's trying to be safer I mean that's part of the thing but right the competition trying to go farther is driving people to do things you do a lot of things I knew it was if you have any updates on John Morrison insincere signed and nothing nothing nothing. I don't know when the starts supposed to be but Yeah maybe I don't know what his status is other than you know. He was going to go in there at some point. This person says in regards to annex t are there any long-term stories in place or are they just booking week to week. Now that it's life I presume that they've got a lot of long term stories in place but uh-huh it seems clear from last week that they've got a direction much like they used to but if something comes up like they'll change change everything around to accommodate it like well you'll see aj thing. I'm sure that was not a long-term plan right right right right right right right here. That changed I mean yeah. It's a combination of two things. I mean you reacting to ratings and things like that you know you got that angle that obviously I don't think Bailey was going to be on this show. Bailey was pregnant. Stay on the European tour but they felt they needed someone from the main roster to keep the momentum going and keep the unpredictability going so yeah. It's a combination of both. I think that the live television does lead to more changes for that very reason but I mean as far as long term. You know who's GonNa be the champion. I think that those plants are still pretty far are laid out but like an injury is going to change everything to and that's that's always been the case you know when to your. Wb You're always at the mercy of something you know. Every company are always at the mercy. The of injuries come something happens. Then you've gotta re change everything you know. So that's just the nature of modern booking is that you want to have long-term turn plans but you've you know a lot of times. Things are going to happen. That you've gotta make changes and sometimes you just make changes in throw everything off course to which I haven't seen in an extent but it does happen on the main roster regularly especially if you have any update on pay per view buys for full gear. Nothing right at this moment. No what would be a scary number. Eighty seventy five. It's interesting because like thinking about this. The other day like the idea that they would get television and dropped to eighty or fifty. I mean you got to also remember. They went against something that nobody expected. You know like they try. They booked these dates to avoid big competition and then they ended up with like bigger competition. The neigh- ever would have expected with Logan. Paul Chaos I fight. I mean that thing be canales numbers which I mean is just unheard of if he Joshua's numbers in the really talking about as far as numbers as far as No I don't think a lot of people understand when you say beat those numbers. Like what numbers are we talking about here. It was the most watched show. And the most signed-up show history zone beginning. All the fights fights that have been under zone which are some big ones including co fight. Let me talk about one hundred thousand five hundred thousand a million million. Yeah something in that range and and and let me see and then I don't know what the number in the UK was the biggest pay per view of the year in the UK and Joshua's had several papers using the UK. Okay this year so Joshua Josh was not that big in the United States I mean he's but he's gigantic in the UK. So yeah it's it was the competition and there was a there was a giant football game to which ended before the show started but ended just before the show started so that didn't help either. Something competition was I mean you know but then again look if they were going to do if television was going to get them to one sixty You know what I'm saying like the the Logan Paul thing may have come into one forty. Maybe you know what I'm saying but it's not You know it's not GonNa make that that GonNa make that level of a difference. I mean it makes it could. It could make a difference I would say. Would we say ten thousand buys maybe difference maybe more have no way of mature. I absolutely no idea that. No one no one really does but it. It's going to have an effect I mean it's going to have an effect but I wouldn't say would have a gigantic antica effect. It would have a noticeable effect and very quickly do you ever get any numbers in terms of replay buys. I mean does it do a decent number of replay buys and people people here about the show or if we never got any into a w we we had a I mean there's usually a trend remember. The I mean I got regular pay per view. Replies I don't have the digital pay-per-view replay buys but it was a couple of thousand. Yeah just it goes up you know. Most most of the shows go. They'll go up about ten percent after after the first couple of days a week and then easily then usually is very slow very little opera week. All right well Dave I wanNA thank so much the show here today and we had to break everybody back in a moment wrestling observer live. In.
"moxley omega" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"Now Dave on the board noted that in the feedback that he had gotten he had gotten a lot of people giving the match four and three quarter to five stars. And also a bunch of people that were giving Macha Dud. So it's like balances out there. Well what's funny is if I were going to rate that match I wouldn't give it neither five stars or done I would be somewhere in in the middle I might give it three and a half stars but like it was it was it was I mean I. It was good. It was not a bad match. It was does. It was good for what it was. It was not great for what it was. I have seen plenty of blood and guts matches way better than this one but I cannot not give it a dud. But I'm also not giving it five stars so I fall somewhere in the middle there. Why did he start the show? Never mind. That's that's forget it. I'll ask him that. Yes ask him that. Don't ask me all right. Lana and Rousseff okay. Here we talk about power. What's going on? I know we talked about Lana rousseff. You won't be talking about Moxley Moxley Omega all day. I'm ready to move on from that. For says a lot of segment last night. We all knew it was gonna be horrible but Jiminy Germany Christmas that was brutal. Lana with that fake acting accent would just not shut up and well actually. She didn't have the accent. Lana was being. You Know Lana Yeah. Cj Perry at Florida. That's what she was being last night. It's czar she's a ravishing Russian who's now CJ Perry. And I don't even know why now. Why why can't they just be Nashville predators? Fans like they are like. Why can't they be Florida man in Florida woman? I mean that's frankly with the story line is catering. I mean. That's what she is. I mean that's that's talk. He's far more Florida than Bulgaria Elia. Listen let's segment last night. Everybody was like atrocious atrocious. And the thing with me is when they do. These train wreck segments like sometimes these train wreck segments. Do Great numbers. And that's why they do all these trainwreck segments. Sometimes he's train wreck segments run viewers off and. I don't know which one this is going to do. I mean I just don't know we'll find out out in an hour but no the live. Crowd thought live crowd absolutely hated it. They absolutely hated it. And there's a lot of crowd sweetening on the show last tonight so if you didn't see it and you're so lucky. Lana comes out and she explained to us that the truth is is that rousseff cheated on her. I what did I miss something. The answer's Yes. I did miss something. I was completely liane aware that rousseff had cheated on line. is she talking about when Maria came out in claim. That rousseff was the father is what she's talking about or she making stuff up or is there a part part of the story. Line that they know that we don't know I have no idea so. She accused him of that then. She says that she had sex and they made sure to say the word sex a hundred three times on television did they say sex. She says that she had sex. With Bobby Lashley. Seven weeks ago. Last week she fell down she went to the doctor. Doctor and the doctor told her your nine weeks pregnant which we fall off of she fell down. Remember there was like somebody did a dive in bunked in her and she fell down. It doesn't matter but anyway she went to the doctor. He said she's nine weeks pregnant therefore she had sex with Roussev reuss have made her pregnant during sex and so she calls him down to the ring so he comes down to the ring. They argue back and forth. Like the most unlikable people on the planet. Lashley comes out. He'd beats up rousseff and the segment ends with Lana revealing..
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"It's four to five seven eight zero seven seven five six six cedric for says. Did you hear about these. Cedric interview pleaded with talksport. He's arguing that his spot is just fine on raw. He's trying to be the company man. I understand nothing on the seth rollins deputy level though get all of these people are just they know what they have to say and what he expects Cedric Alexander to say that he's being buried like you know what they're going to say. This goes for everybody. I know that like let me put it this way. I know that some people think that like Seth rawls deep into this Colt and he believes everything that he says. He's out his mind. But I'm telling you I am telling you that he's not okay. He may believe it to some degree. I mean I'm sure there's I'm sure. There's a part of Seth rollins that is very frustrated at all of the criticism that he's getting. I I would. I mean you consume out there doing these interviews. He looks more irritated than usual out there. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But there are things that seth says that he believes okay but he is not drinking the Kool aid to the degree that some people think that he is. I I can tell you this for a fact act okay but it is his role as the top baby. Face the face of the company right now. It is his role to defend the company to the death. And that's what he's going to do. That's what these other people are going to do. If you actually think that Cedric Alexander believes he's in a great spot right now he's out there losing in three minutes to Andrade. He gets barely any offense in. He's been beaten and beaten and beaten beaten and beaten after they tried to do something with him for a few. It's patently obvious would happen. Vince gave up on the guy. I reported it. Everybody argued it wasn't true and in fact he has been beaten and beaten and beaten unbeaten. Ever since it's just what's going on and you can't expect him to say anything different when he's doing a radio show for talksport and a Berko. CORREO is getting the position that a lot of people thought he was going to get. And we'll see what happens with Korea. Here they have not had a good track record. And I think that's the biggest thing with Cedric Alexander Alexander centric Alexandra's not dead in the water. He is not dead forever but unfortunately again the is the buddy. Murphy's the cedric just as You know as a number of names they haven't been able to get these guys over. They haven't been able to game. Quality wins they have not been able to give people a reason to really believe in him. I I don't I don't think It doesn't certainly doesn't seem to be that way now. We'll see what happens with creole here. He's in a great spot but if they decide to just bury him or you know again he you gotTa win yesterday but he got a win because of rain you're giving Aj Salazar Ko Great. That was fantastic. Wonderful now give him a win. It's like cedric. Just give him a win have him beat somebody. Heaven beat somebody value. Same thing with Buddy Murphy. Same thing with Ali ufki beating. These is beating these guys and then they don't get over they don't do a whole lot with them and then they give up on them so that's unfortunately down the line. I fear that for Cedric. But he's not dead right now. I mean when you're talented. You have a chance but they gotta give some of these guys something. Latch John Do Right. So I'm going to read this one but then I'm gonNA give everybody advice. This person says in regards. Today's comments last night about the Moxley Omega good match being fantastic because the live crowd ate it up. How can you possibly make that remarkable? Also being critical of people like Hogan Warrior Goldberg Nash Cetera. If the Moxley Omega match was fantastic just because of the crowd every match Goldberg ever had would be five stars. I do not think well first off what I want to say is some of these. You need to send to mail bag wrestling observer dot com because these are questions for Dave Dancer. Not Myself I. I do not think that the Moxley Omega match was anything approaching fantastic..
"moxley omega" Discussed on Busted Open
"That could have stayed with you for so long. There's reasons why dreamer and Raven went and as long as it did because it was always moments in history that they could go back to the moment that Beulah had to tell Raven that her baby maybe was really Tommy's that was the foundation of the story that would lead on forever if dreamer would fight Raven right now you would know. Oh why they still Hannam had animosity because Beulah Bush sleeping with Tommy and not Raven. And that's what those moments in time nine that will last forever that scarf. MJ having the blood of cody Rhodes on that scarf. M J F being able to leave the ring and take that scarf filled with cody's blood and bring it over to his mother and show it his mother. That moment would have lived on forever. The this is the deep rooted storytelling that would put a e w over the top. I love it speaking of which man man I I know. The roads is family Michelle did an amazing job. Because she's as real as real can get that your mom watching that it had such great elements. Her slapping jared Goff bomb was just like. She's tough trust me and Another great thing that I I loved what. Jr said was. She's no stranger to seen roads bleed and then but the difference was that's her son. Yeah and I was so wool. Jr like he was on top of his game. And I love that about him and really quick as you you brought up that segment and how that segment mint how that match how that end with. The scarf could have been better kudos to nine only Jim Ross because to me. Jr you know. We talked about that Moxley Omega mega-match a Moxie during that match gave the gave the Middle Finger to the camera and it's like an Fu to to to the WWe that performance by Jr on. Saturday was almost like fuck you to all the fan criticism that he's been getting since joining a e W I mean. I thought what that was one of the best commentating performances that I've heard in a long long time and I've kind of popped when somebody did suicide dive and Jr went Jr's it's like and there's a suicide dive and then I guess cholera goons like Oto pita suicide. Jr like yeah. Whatever she dive just something the head to everybody it's like I'm Jr.? I know what I'm doing I'm GonNa do what I do. If you don't like it. Screw you and you know what when it comes is to storytelling. Listen if you're going to have a spot fest match. Jr is going to do his best to tell as much of a story. Despite the fact that the two guys guys in the ring aren't doing fuck all to tell a story so that's why you gotta give him credit now when you get something like Jericho and cody. Who are telling a story? That's a ninety mile. An hour fastball. Right down the pipe into Jr's wheelhouse and that's why he does such a phenomenal job with it. And that's where you as a commentator would think you could lay back a little bit and that type of a match because they're doing such a great story in telling that story where in certain matches you have to to do a better job of telling the story because the performance may not be doing that in the rain and it's called laying out all the time. Thank you laid out. It was also a little beat that they I missed which I was shocked. Also and Tommy's GonNa know where I'm coming from. I'm surprised that Jericho did not drag cody over by his his mom. I would've loved to have seen Jericho. Put Cody on his ass right in front of his mother and start punching that Gash rush his head wide open in front of his mother making his mother watch her son get the Piss beat out out of him and then when Jericho went to say something stupid to Michelle that's when the slap in the face would have happened. It's little things like this to me that make these stories even bigger. I mean think about it Dave if if if if you you know you know if your daughter was in the studio right now and somebody was beating her up right in front of your eyes the rage that would brew in new. You would boil point where you'd want to smack them across the face same thing. They're tiny little beat thought. They missed but they still got the job done. Also to gotTA give Kudos to M J F when he was on on his knees in front of cody and you saw the tears in his eyes for a second for just a brief second. Maybe it's not going to happen right now. Tom You said Hey. Hey maybe they should've let that go a little bit. Maybe they should have taken a little bit longer. Before you see saw that he'll turn with the expression on his face that was priceless from J. F. and he is the perfect he'll for a w absolutely I mean and he will be the personified he'll because when people cheer for him he basically tries is turning on him he is well beyond his ring age. For how good of a bad guy he is about to be. This is the doors wide open now from thanks for listening catches Monday through Saturday. Busted open from nine A._M. to noon eastern on Sirius X._M.. By Nation Channel fifty six busted open podcast..
"moxley omega" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"Live live mixing for BBC rustling observed. Come this person year says does. AWS drug testing yes. I don't know the details but they do drug test. That's literally all I can tell you that they do not know anything about it. was there any follow up to that question. No they just ask sixteen times so no answer. I liked the Moxley Omega match. I don't ever watch this style of match but seeing it here worked for me with two big stars who hated each other great storytelling moments with reusing. The glass last. Can you going crazy. Trying to get a Moxley's level mocking about chain wrestling moxie using a chain on Kenny. And Kenny losing it. After he coulda Bucci move it was too much much but I like some every once in a while. Well kind of one issue I had actually was. I don't even know why they hate each other. They the story was they hated each other. I mean they had a brawl and everything like that but what happened between these two guys. Why did they hate each other? Everybody no the funny parts about this feud is Moxley Moxley gave him a DDAT Through a glass table and then he climbed through glass and then they actually threw themselves into a barbed wire spiderweb a web yet. What caused the most damage to them was a broom that was all wrapped in barbed wire? It's Kinda yeah that was the real barb the barbed wire bed was real. No no it certainly was not it was. Yeah so this is a weird. This whole thing has been a little bit weird. Yeah I finally says here. I'm not going to sit at anybody going overboard to give me. My money's worth on pay per view. I would get upset if they didn't give Max effort. Well you do realize they would have good max effort in a straight wrestling match which probably would have been a much better match. I mean it's not like if they didn't do all that stuff they weren't giving you Max effort. I everybody right at a time. When thank you very much for listening here? Today we back later on tonight day MELTZER wrestling observer radio talking raw and of course tomorrow observer.
"moxley omega" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"So here we go. This person here says yes. More on the Moxley Omega match talked about all weekend. I also thought the Moxie Omega Lights out match was ridiculous. Unnecessary violence compare this to chop and Gargano no takeover Nola last year match was also non-sanctioned went on last but it was emotionally charged at an all time. Great story behind it. You know the best part about the blood view. They didn't use anything. Anything out of Shampoos. Crutch a knee brace in that unsanctioned match where both weapons symbolize their rivalry. Over the course of two years. I realized that a lot the people here things that we see on the show and get outraged but they're not actually subscribers. They haven't actually been listening for years but I want to make it abundantly clear. There have been listen. I don't like blood and guts and Gore matches but I watch everything and there have been many of them over the years including the hell of war match it Luciana ground which actually was significantly -nificant more violent than the Moxley Omega match because they were using real glass and there were chunks of skin on the mad afterwards and I thought that match was way better than Moxie Omega. The issue isn't even so much. The violence the issue was. It wasn't a great match. It wasn't very good. They want forty minutes and it was just violence violence. You do this idea that you with this I you with that. You don't sell this. I don't sell that for forty minutes. The match wasn't even very good now. The violence is another thing entirely. You can argue. What was real? What was wasn't real etcetera et Cetera to the masses to the masses? I don't think this is what's going to grow your company and it's time to grow the company we're down eight hundred thousand viewers.
"moxley omega" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"TV was there was no TV so if you wanted to watch AWA action. He pretty much had to buy those pay per views or watch fighter fester whatever now that there is TV. You've got eight hours of television every month so it is possible that there are a w fans that get get their fill of AWA watching the show for free. And therefore don't have the impetus to buy the paper that they had before there was TV. I still don't think it would be good if if they did one hundred thousand with no TV and fifty thousand vies with td if they did ninety to one hundred ten thousand on pay per view nine ninety thous being down from without TV. I mean that's something to talk about but I don't think that's a disaster. I mean even realistically sixty thousand fifty thousand is that still multiples more than anybody else's doing on pay per view and it's not a business disaster. It would be disappointing to a degree if they they got television and did half the number. We're doing without television but we will see how the show ends up doing. I think one of the one of the more important numbers. This is actually this coming a Wednesday when they go head to head with Annex T. I mean fans should be well aware that there's going to be annex t talent or W we main roster talent on the annex t show. They've seen it happen. Is he going to beat a w this week. If you recall a w opened up with almost a million viewers on Wednesday last week and the viewership fell in fell fell in fell throughout the show. So coming on the heels of full gear here and the MJ turn and he Moxley Omega match. I mean is the a number up. Is the AWA number town is it. Even I think that's going to be a very interesting number. But ultimately the most important numbers are twenty twenty and beyond. I mean the Monday night wars with Ron Nitro. Things did not turn around immediately. I mean you know the it took a long time to build an audience. It took a long time of success on TNT TNT for Nitro for them to start selling more tickets and pay per view buys. This does not happen overnight and I I think there's a feeling among fans that man one thing one thing that can go all the way up it can go all the way down. I mean it's not like that it's it's a it is as wwe says which is funny because they say this and then they do things like put main Rosser talent on the annex t show it is a marathon about a sprint person. Says I thought full gear was great. Felt a little fast compared to normal w. e. paced like a UFC show centered around one match. Gives it a big fight. Feel everyone buys the pay per view to see the main advantage of buying into the whole spectacle. It is something different that is true. Full gear was sold on a match and really only one match the Chris. Jericho cody match. And so they sold it on some other things as well. They had other matches built up. But really the draw for the show. Was Cody versus Chris. Jericho and there's a match as a world championship match delivered. I know some people were upset. That the finished seem to quick the turn I mean. I'm not gonNA argue that if you started worded if you jumped on the Awa bandwagon when they went to TNT. It absolutely was too quick. If you've been a longtime fan of the elite being the elite dating dating back all the way to all in it was not too quick and I guess we'll find out on Wednesday what that means as far as what everybody else thought. This person here says the Moxley Omega match was not good in my opinion and his garbage wrestling. There's no story to tell with these weapons. It's so obvious. The matches moving from violent spot violence fought. Am I supposed to believe that John Moxie was backstage before the show laying out mouse traps onto a board to use later in the match and at the same time. Kenny Omega was backstage creating reading a barbed wire mattress. This is not how you reach. A mass audience and grow a.
"moxley omega" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"The updated card we mentioned Jericho and cody for the W. Title. So here's what we know. They have three judges. Here's if it goes to sixty minute draw I just I could be wrong and as we get forward and you hear more of my shows I'm telling right now my prediction suck. I really appreciate how people like my comments and some of my monologues in the points. I make my predictions are my week. Void Loyd so just letting you know up front the three judges that's got to be an angle of some kind sort of like with Terry funk attacked Ric Flair when he beats steamboat for the final time. It's gotTa be some sort of angle going forward whether it pays off tonight or not cody losing. He will challenge again. Dan The thing is is you could tell some great stories either way. Jericho losing the title. Alana birthday tonight and how desperate the inner circle gets and how angry Chris. Jericho gets and what they need to do to get the title. Back from Cody Odi. WHO's the people's champion the flag bearer of a W? That could be some good television. Hopefully if cody loses to ninety doesn't challenge again it comes off as believable and it compels people. The other thing to think about is. WHO's next does this feud continue probably you? But we haven't seen all of ws tricks up their booking sleeve. WWe We now that this would go on for three pay per views and there'd be some Stupid finish this month. Some stupid finished next month and then a conclusive but still stupid finish for the third. But we don't know how he he w is going to do this. So that's kind of exciting but to look at WHO's next WHO's standing in the batter's box is Jon Moxley. Is it Kenny Omega. And no matter who wins with his lights out match remember it's it's non sanctioned so that means it's not gonNA count towards wins and losses so there's Moxley Oxley win and then get frustrated that he's not in line for a title shot and that sends him into a rage mega win but again not part part tired of wins and losses and that delays gratification for his eventual challenge to the world title and then does Moxley just lay out. Megan just just lay it in. Dan Just stomp a mudhole him after the match. There's a lot of ways that could go one of the things. That's compelling about this car to this can't be by accident is in the top four matches touches. Everybody needs a win. It's not predictable. At least not to me and with the way W booking is gone you've got a feeling there will be consequences for the winners and losers remember. It's supposed to be sports based they're really still training us as far as what the expectations are for these matches and Tim made a great point. If you're going to lay down fifty bucks you want some satisfaction. Sure things have to continue. You gotTa tell stories. They'll be rematches to come or other aspects going forward but you do need some payoffs and it's going to be curious to see what they pay off and what what they move forward and how you know in wwe whenever you feel like this in the back of your mind always kinda now. There's probably going to be a garbage finish like a Helen Sale. But he w hasn't really pulled those tricks Ryan Alvarez. This week said he has not been excited for match since Siham punk and Rai back back and you remember how that went rybeck Super Hot punk still hot real rumble. Just around the corner of the Iraq coming in and rock was a bigger star but it's still conditioned asa fans that. WWe Will you shortcuts to get out of a booking dead end instead of paying it off in a satisfying way. So no matter Windsor. Losers tonight's going to be a message to US fans about how we can look and expect from Awa he w going forward which matches will have decisive winners which matches will have storyline reasons for feuds to continue and how satisfying will these things be will. They be compelling or will it just be that was just an out to keep this thing going that was just kind of filler and all four matches the top Jericho Cody Moxley Omega young bucks and Santana.
"moxley omega" Discussed on The Rack Radio Show
"If you wanna watch along at home <hes> it's on. It's on e._s._p._n. If you wanna watch cincinnati's winning anyway it's interesting substitution for the pay per view as aid of you was forced to announce a surprise <hes> person that was intended show on the the show that's now facing <unk> omega and that is one pock ak who we have not seen in a w. so here's here's the thing he was originally scheduled to be at the blurred nothing to take on hangman page <hes> but because of the contract situation because of carr's because of that wanted to lose while being champion he they've removed them from the show they match with him in hangman overseas home home to get him out of the match at the dublin. Nothing and there's been a lot of talk whether he'd be coming into the company or not. He may or may not have been a surprise for this weekend again. If you go through the tea leaves as it were one point. This was one of your plan ideas to be the world title. L. match originally was omega and park at some point it was the tea leaves were pointing to that but jericho and haggman on saturday instead love park mega papa mega is now. You're semi may lament which i think that's a that's a suitable substitution for jon. Moxley omega impact will be equally really as good. I don't think it will be as groundbreaking because i don't know if kenny omega and jon moxley ever face each other for each other. I don't have pocket and the magazine faced each other so they may have if they have a. It's on a rare occasion but that's where we stand right now. When it comes was to okay i'm gonna put it like this legitimately taken as a serious the right in the industry torri sign your talent to only work for you. I understand they don't have t._v. Yet i understand that all the situations that are gonna work but your major players haven't worked anywhere moxley is and i. I know this moxy moxy wanted to go do his own thing and that's fine but this leads leads to situations where you're promoting a match for money match promoting amount and it happened outside of your control what happens in w._w._e. And they have to pull a match due to injury. It happened in in their company. You don't hear about it happening at progress w._w._e. Superstar john cena injured progress wrestling. You don't hear that well. You could now you know what i'm saying. I know what you're saying but here's the thing i feel like ultimately. This isn't on a._w._s. Is on moxley himself. This is the fact that he got hurt and he ultimately ultimately did not take care of himself or something else happened that prevented him from taking care of himself. He got an infection and now he's had surgery to repair the elbow because i think it's the i think think the elbow that he had to have surgery but he was asleep his right not as left okay so this was the other elbow yeah okay so sorry scratch that but but still he got he got injured and it was not take treated or it was not treated properly in a developed an infection and moxley continued to insist on wrestling with it for weeks not days. Not you know hours weeks before he ever got it taken care of and it was only when it became a real issue that he had to get it get all-seeing too and this is the end result is that he's now forced to have surgery lean sit out the pay per view. He's questionable for t._v. In terms of wrestling he might be able to make an appearance but he's he's probably not wrestling on t._v. Maybe we'll have to see though but i mean it's it's an unfortunate situation for everybody because i know they were really relying on moxley. I know moxie really wanted to do it like this isn't anything this is just a this is an unfortunate series of events that have occurred for them and with any luck you'll come back and he'll be fighting fit and stronger than ever but it something you don't want to see happen often. It's like okay happened on this event this event and this event only after this going forward you gotta make sure your talent only work for you and i think that's going to happen once t._v..
"moxley omega" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"One margin forty eight percents eight hundred twenty four percent c._n._n. As the third brand in a smaller building i understand that approach taking approach they see them as the underdog and then twenty eight percent say. It's an even battle at the start like it's not really an advantage and i'd almost vote for that even battle. I think it'd be has the advantage advantage n._h._t._s._a. advantage being promoted on smackdown and they can borrow top talent from the main roster which may or may not help depending on other booked. Some of that will happen. They'll be the special appearances. Those people have been assured. It's not too big foot the people it's to enhance them but eight w is on one or media's t._n._t. It's say top network the rival of u._s._a. Network and they have they're going to be in this major. Major building. They've got top stars moxley omega and the bucks go i mean they have there's more national recognition of a._w._s. Top wrestlers with jericho especially then annexed with adam cole and matt riddle so pick your two or three guys and so i think you can make a case either way depending on the criteria you stress. There's just so many ah w has an advantage somewhere but then annexed you know what i mean. I think evens out in terms of you know what what w w w we could do to enhance annexed if they want to could could gap any you know what i mean yup bridge any gap so it is it is a pretty even playing field. I i feel like yeah. Well very good sean anything else you want add about the a._w._o._l. Out topic that's it. I think that everything good good join the conversation thanks for joining. Let me today no problem all right so that concludes the first part of today's wade keller.
"moxley omega" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"That's an appealing match same with darby allen george analogy me habit but i think the matches that are bringing people on board or cody and spears <hes> lucia brothers box moxley omega page jericho no absolutely no question yeah and and those four matches. That's a really nice card and then anything else yes it happens. It's good on top run. There will be some of those. Other matches is gravy yeah. I think it's a really strong top four. I you know when they when w does roster astor split of written articles and talk your podcast. You know how how do you mix and match the future. And how long do you run a few before you switch up and and all that and i look look at this super worried about it because i mean you can pentagon junior could be a singles <hes> debbie allen is as they've shown cody can move up and do something <hes> that that is outside the realm of of where he is on this show <hes> <hes> so anyway my my point is i think if you kind of scramble this around you could imagine a pretty long stretch of time being able to have fresh matchups in fresh feuds. I'd still like to see you know a couple other names at the level level of not moxley or omega but a little more than shawn spears you know somewhere in between there a couple more good signings that adds some top tier main event depth to the roster i i it's not a crisis but it would it would be really good if if a matt riddle or at adam cole level wrestler became available to them and then they can add them to the mixed fin ballard. Oh yes somebody like that. I mean maryland adam cole. You can build around for sure. Valerie might be passed that the way it's been used in w._w._e. But a utility top tier guy who can be in that mix and of course they have the budget if things go well that will end up happening. They'll find that other person whether you know whether whether they it's it's somebody from new japan will spray or if it's somebody from impact and you still have the possibility of l._a._x. Being signed and that adds certainly adds up so i how do you feel about that looking beyond the all out roster to just the top tier made event depth and hubby mix and match over the course of three six nine months. I'm confident that you're gonna. I mean look what they've done with shawn spears already <hes> he still has to back it up bud. I'm confident that a guy like hayman's gonna feel like he totally belongs in that mix <hes> by the time they finish elevating him into that role in their clothes. I mean it may be as soon as all out <hes> so. There's leave the door open for guys like him. Darby the alan kind of moving into that role but i'm with you i it would be nice if they could add some additional names as you're suggesting <hes> obviously the the big one that everybody's everybody's kind of wondering about is siham punk and seeing is believing on that but it's wrestling you're never say never but if they yeah i think that the the key it is going to be kind of trying to elevate people if they're just they just don't have access to the others l._a._x. We'll be a big breath of fresh air for the tag division not that it's not tag division as it is but i mean those guys i they've been in impact and wrestling fans know them. The fans were keeping an eye on everything but they're going to be fresh actual to a decent portion of of the the more casual viewing audience and their tremendous they're they're excellent point and them and the box that said rematch in a lot of ways it also may free app penta and phoenix to become no singles wrestlers. You don't need all those tag teams. Pentagon juniors worked very well as a singles he the two of them have wrestled each other a million times but they've never had an actual break-up angle what if they tell that story and both of those guys go on to become single stars so yeah i think they the roster is pretty strong..
"moxley omega" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"Forty five seven eight zero seven five six six. This person says if WB were Bach booking the Moxley omega fight I could definitely see them having 'em j f for the dark order, interrupt the match for a screwy finish yet, but the ideas, Awa doesn't want to do screw finishes. So whenever the idea is they're going to do a finish. So there you go. All right. Do you think about Jericho and Adam page because Janko should win. That's what I think. And that's what I would say to that would build obviously towards outs Jericho mega down the line. That would seem to make the most obvious sense not only because he was the first undisputed champion, but it just because of his name value alone, and having somebody chase him as a heel, and I see people being upset over Adam page like you know, why would you wanna beat him now he's got such a long way to go. And he's going to be, you know, as time goes on one would think the, the main singles guy of that company certainly going to be there. You know, more than Cody Cody is going to be the face obviously. But as far as the wrestling goes Adam page is going to be there guy for the future. So plenty of time with him. Anybody who thinks it page cannot be beaten. Right now, does not understand wrestling. That's what I got to say. Yeah. I mean come on the whole idea. I mean, yes, you could make a. Face your first champion. I mean, yes, you could do that. But why then why do you go? So I hadn't pages your champion, then what is find find some? He'll to challenge him at the next show. Yeah. You can do that. I mean, I'm not one of those people thinks obviously WBZ goes way too far with having to get heat for everything. But dude, put the belt on a strong, he'll build up a strong baby face do a chase pay it off down the road. Adam page has his whole career to become the champion of AWS. I don't think it needs to be done right now. I think the Jericho he's I forget being the first undisputed champion. I mean who cares about that? That was twenty years ago or whatever I mean, for right now he is a recognizable name. Country to what some people in the internet wanna rant about on social media. He can still go and he's a great he'll. And he's a good guy to be the first champion of your company and down the road. Somebody can beat him, then that's Adam page or Kenny, omega or any of a dozen guy so they can build up. So, I absolutely think the Christiane could be the first champion. I don't know if he's gonna be I champion, but I believe they should be Twitter council drunk Ville. Oh, a mess on there. But that's you know, that's neither here nor there. This person here says knowing that the Shane pushes a rumor if he wins the world title from Kofi, would it be coolant, David Arquette, and w w well, no. Because David Arquette was an actor with no acting with no wrestling experience. Like what everything of Shane is a wrestler, and I think he pretty much sucks. Like he is pushed as a wrestler. He is pushed as a formidable opponent. I mean he has won numerous feuds no last year. So no, this would be very different from. Chance had a presence as a wrestler now for again twenty years ago, Jericho twenty years ago was Shane I mean for Evans aches, you know how old is Shane right now and he's always been presented. And, you know, maybe, you know incorrectly as being on par with guys on that roster who win titles and not the least, of, which is Roman reigns. Alright so. This person here Nick. I'm not going to be mean to Nick, but I'm going to be honest with Nick cleaner ears out, buddy. He says, usually agree with what you have to say, Brian. But this is the first time. I haven't I have seen a lot worse than Billy k over the last fifteen to twenty years. And he has a list here. Okay. Lana, even re-, sable Maria canals Sharmila Jim rascal Lacey. Von Erich, Jillian hall. Okay winning here. So listen. Nick, you numb skull, I didn't say Billy K is the worst female wrestler ever seen in my life. I said, she's by far the worst wrestler, inevitably right now. Even sable Maria Sharm El Jenna lacy Jillian, none of them are wrestling for Debbie right now. Lana is but. Billy Kay is worse than Lana right now is not even doing matches. So I stand by this that Billy Kay is by far. The worst wrestler in right now. It has nothing to do with other bad female wrestlers over the years. It's irrelevant. Yeah. Gentlemen, Rask is worse than Billy Kate. I never said the Billy K was worse. Jenna, I only said she was the worst wrestler in Debbie right now. So get with the program, buddy, I still don't know how you're supposed to be defending your 'cause there with the by by that logic. Like, you know, my car is not a complete piece of crap because, you know, my dad had a core of trying to prove me wrong, because he thinks that I'm saying that Billy Kay is worse than Jenna Maresca trying to say a catch. But that's not what I said, I never said that maybe that maybe that author can tell me then because I had a chance to see her in shimmer and had a chance to see her elsewhere. How why that she's been in the WWE system and somehow has at the? Very least ground to a halt and I think by all accounts, I don't know slid backwards. That's the part that boggles my mind. This is near says welcome back Brian wanted to share a bit about my all out of buying experience. I am going definitely gonna did that with just me right. I am going with a group of six. Well, he couldn't have done it with issue because they weren't on salient point. I'm going with a group of six four of us all tried buying tickets using multiple computers. Each, only one of the four of us was able to buy four in the two hundred level, the second person that got in was able to select single seats. I was twenty thousand in line delight entering the queue around ten thirty five local time. And we are all locals. Wow. So I haven't been on Dave's Twitter today, but I'm sure he's doing all the math. Talk about how many tickets they would have sold if he's not fighting somebody fact of the matter is a would have been a lot. So. And I don't know how many I wanna stay away from his far away from Dave's Twitter this weekend as possible. All right. If you wanna Texas here today, four to five seven eight zero seven five six six here persons. Honestly, I think either outcome between Jericho and page is the win the only issue with page taking an L as he's still got the stench booking on him. He never really had a career defining win. So one way. So would have it later, it doesn't need to have it now. No way. Does he have the first of all, do you think anybody everybody? That's in Awa fan had a chance to see all those guys are away. And I'm sure that many of those fans do not like our away and they are looking at these guys is being lifted up out of that stench. There is no stench remaining. If you're an AWS fan, the bought tickets for that show, nobody's saying that about Adam page, nobody out the anybody even realizes that he doesn't you know, if he does or does not have a defining win. I mean he's got the matches with Jay white. And so I mean he's had plenty of stuff on his own that has made him stand out. So I don't think there's any question of. That at all. Can I finally figured out a pas this, holy smokes? Good work. I feel like I feel like an old man. Well, I'm not an old man, Mike. I hear I heard you said that I was fifty three or something like that. You're in idiot. Your stolen me bell and see what else we got here. I am older than you. But what does that do with eating? I look fifteen years younger than you. So I win. That's good point. Person says Brian trying to make America read again is the only campaign I wanna see in twenty twenty. I'm much too busy to run for president, you kin, maybe maybe the mayor of Bothell cert- with that. Yeah, I got a lot of things I'd fix about this town. Persist Shane Arquette are different, but wouldn't it be another push towards WBZ's possible? Demise. W E isn't denies Mayes ING anytime soon understand they're just not companies worth seven billion dollars last time. I checked w w w w was was losing millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars every year it as much as people say. You know there's, there's the people that don't wanna take blame Kevin Nash and Russo and Bischoff. And so they go, well, you know, CEO, L Time Warner murder, and that's not why W w died, but. When AOL and Time Warner were preparing for their merger. They looked at how everything was doing. And guess what was doing terribly because of Kevin Nash and Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff world championship wrestling. So I guess if you really want to say, well, as because of the merger, I, I guess, you could say that, if you wanna like be full of it, but if, if WCW was making the money that they were making in nineteen Ninety-seven where they were like profiting a hundred twenty five million dollars. Then the AOL Time Warner merger would not have been the demise of world championship wrestling, but they didn't. They went from one hundred twenty five million profit to losing sixty two million dollars. Why? Because people were totally incompetent W E right now. Vince McMahon is totally incompetent. But the fans are still paying for stuff. They're still paying for the network. Unlike w w they got a two point three billion dollar television deal. I mean, they ain't going out of business. No, that's, that's the thing. To WWE is incompetent creatively from a business point of view from a connection point of view from a public relations point of view, no matter what you want to think about any of their practices. They aren't establish success with lots and lots of money. And let's remember the other thing too, you can operate a wrestling company on a loss for at least a little while. And that's the one thing that somebody could still remember, if they ever crash and go into the abyss. Like all they have to do is go back to pro wrestling, and they'll still be able to survive. I mean, the people that wonder and and, and wonder what the demise is going to be like for WWE. Don't remember what nineteen Ninety-three was like. Bure's has my daughter was in Q at twenty eight thousand in line. Dave said there were eighty thousand in line and they could have done one hundred thousand fans for this show. That's Dave's math. Oh my God, we're going to the Rose Bowl next. This person here knows fifty five thousand were in the queue at one point Soldier Field next year for.