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Robert Atwater

Photography Radio

37:14 min | 4 months ago

Robert Atwater

"But what i did have a clue about was really being interested in the land and how light plays across the land and also across. The water spent a lot of time as well and photograph. This photograph podcast is brought to you by frames. Quarterly printed photography magazine. Here is your today's host debut scott olson with another fascinating conversation. Well hello everyone and welcome to another podcast from frames magazine my name is scott olsen and today we are with robert atwater. Robert is if. I want to be completely honest here the photographer that i wanna be. When i grow up there is such a body of work here such depth and scope. I am absolutely amazed by this. You probably know his work from the first edition of frames magazine one of the featured artists that we have there. We're gonna talk about an awful lot to we're gonna talk about landscape photography. We're gonna talk about a life spent and just more than fifty countries. He's been in india. He's been in europe. He's been the caribbean latvia. Estonia even death valley and a small island off the coast of massachusetts robert. Welcome how are you today. I'm well thanks. This is a real treat to be able to discuss your work because so many of the the moods and the flavors that you've got close to my own heart. But i wanna start with something. That's a little bit unusual. You just for practical reasons for a lot of us. You have shot your work through your entire life was just about every format possible. You've got polaroid's you've got medium format you've got iphones in there. I mean just just right here at the very beginning. Dis- format matter ultimately. Probably not. And i can say that at this point in my career as a mature established photographers certainly along the line formats. Not especially when. I started moving migrating away from thirty five millimeter. When i first started out went to two and a quarter. My ambition was like. I really need a four by five cameron. Sheep fill and so you know. I went down that road a long time with some amazing results. Dance your question. In retrospect i don't think format makes that much difference. Why do we have such an interest in for. I mean there are obviously the technical differences you know and iphone is not a medium format camera in terms of the images that it produces. But finally what makes you say. The difference is not all that important. Yeah right so it's really about what you're making. A photograph of is the image itself. This guy what's his name. Chase jarvis the one who said the best camera you own the one that you have absolutely and i read that one hundred percent so i also belong to a bunch of other groups on facebook large format and you know. I'm amazed that there is still so many photographers out there. Using large format cameras. Larger than eight by ten and god level. You know it's like i love. You is the you're you're still doing that. And that's just not who i am anymore. Talk to me a little bit about your history. Because i don't. I don't mean the early photograph we're going to get to that in a second but you claim to have built fifteen dark rooms first of all. Why fifteen dark rooms. But tell me about the early film training in and i assume it was thirty five millimeter. How how did that influence your aesthetic vision. Yes so that was the format that was most readily available to me. Back in the seventies. When i first started off the woman was my college hunting and then you know. We moved together after we graduated shipment of furniture from her father. Who's been in storage and in. There was a lucky in larger which was large in japan. Probably in the fifty and it had a land in enhanced some Eight by ten trays. And you know. I said well let me give this a shot so i had a point shoot thirty five millimeter camera. Learn how to develop film and of you know took off from there. Did the film work influence. What you were shooting. Good question not really. Because it was the only option this was before polaroid well not really before before essex seventy all roy which later on in my time i became a very important part of My work yeah. So does that was in the box with the enlarged. And the melvin. Trays was an egg full pamphlet of formulas for film and paper developers end. Because i kind of had a scientific background during school. I knew how to follow formulas in the had a double beamed scale and i was making my own developers almost from the get go so i was a better. I'm convinced i was much better. Photographic black and white printer for a long time. I was a black and white photographer. You claim print making on. Your biography is as one of your artistic outputs. Tell me about printmaking from photographers. Point of view as a product specialty for lack of a better term. Well i think what's really important as print maker in a dark room environment as a photographer. They go hand in hand. They dovetail each other. I still contend. You could be a really good photographer unless you're putting your imagery onto paper and this one of the things really attracted needed frames magazine gonna save. The frames community loves you now. Okay i wanna just kissing up to that you. I've said there's tomas before to start of print magazine at this time. Takes a whole lot of kony's i really had goes off and the magazines a great magazine but i still believe that you really need to see and be able to help hold in your hands an image that you've made contemplation of it. The reading of it is different than seeing it on a and deadly back before that was even an option way. You looked at Images you you develop the film and printed them you learn from there. I remember my own early days playing with the agency. One ten and the stop bath and all that and allergic learning to dodge and burn within larger. Aren't i doing this. I'm playing devil's advocate here. Aren't doing the same thing with my slider bars on lightroom. Yes you're you're absolutely so what. What is the benefit of learning on film then so the differences and i still contend still expose film a medium format that there is a definite difference in the look of film and digital capture. Those would argue. There's a difference between vinyl and digital music same thing. I think that there are certain things that you know in my repertoire of what. I'm looking for imagery that lend itself more towards film than digital capture and yet is again all whatever the camera you've got with you is going to be one that you're gonna use but which one do you plan on taking when you head out shooting. I mean that's you know if the tornado goes by your reach for the iphone. But if you're going out on purpose do you find a marriage between the gear. You take out and the aesthetic. You wanna capture. So i mean. There are instances where it make both digital capture as well as film exposure which was to be safe third But you know that's pretty recent phenomenon for me up until now two thousand five two thousand six still exposing film. I close my wet dark room for good in two thousand and three and so there was that transition point i got into digital printing and for all purposes everything that i do as a digital printing with exception of one residency two years ago where i was back in the dark which was very cool. I would be afraid to go back into a dark room. I think i would be more dangerous than i was a high school student. Let's talk before we get to the images and everybody listening. You gotta go to robert. Atwater dot com r. o. Bart a. t. w. a. t. e. r. dot com. I mean i gotta tell you i would. Your website has more depth to it. Then a lot of the websites that i see more breath to a more stuff just linger over and and and consider so i'm encouraging everybody to get there as fast as they possibly can. I really think that's a compliment. It's well you know d- i think there's a special responsibility when photographer to start putting their stuff on the web because it does take time it does take some effort to organize it. I don't know if you're like me but my directory files for lightroom and stuff are horrible. No sense of organization. Other than i remember where stuff is and we can't do that when we publish it. We can't do that when we put it on the web's the other thing note about the my website is that i developed and created it. I use the dough being used a not a co kotor. It's almost going back to that same concept for me that you can't make a really good photographs unless you're able to print i kinda feel like that about a website that you really can't really get a good website unless you do it yourself and i'm lucky that i'm able to be able to do that for sure. It is a fine site. And i recommended everybody before we get to the individual photographs and the styles of photographs and i certainly want to spend some time there before too long. I gotta ask you about this first photograph. You claim that you took your first photograph at age four. And you've got it on the website here an image of somebody named marge. That was my mother. Okay and it's a good photo. That's you know if you get out all the rules of italian rules the thirds low key. And you know how the lines are going. Was this a complete accident or were you the child genius sitting there thinking you know here. We go absolute accident. Lucky because if. I was doing that my first john out of the box. I would have made a lot better photographs When i first started. That's for sure. Well how did you. How did you know that this was going to be something to follow. Though didn't make any serious photographs. Until i was in my twenties and i was work. One real job when i got out of college and during that time with the lucky in larger and the community i was living is living in a small seaside town in massachusetts was real artsy and there was a credible music scene. As like you know what i really wanted to. I think i wanna wanna make Photographs and so. I was looking at the who is making really great. Great photographs that time and you know looking at that stuff and kind of aspire to weston and minor white sort of stuff. And i didn't have a clue what i was getting myself into. You know what what i was doing but away ago you have. There's another website called eight photo. Projects dot com eight is the number. Everybody not not the word. The number a than photo projects dot com that has a number of portfolios of your work. Certainly not all of your work. But it's an awful lot to get a a good sense of who you are and what you do and i want to begin with the portfolio on black and white landscapes perhaps mostly for selfish reasons. Because i love this kind of work. Tell me what draws you to landscape photography snow when i first started out. That's what i was looking at. I was looking at Lana landscape photographers. I had aspirations of moving from thirty five millimeter to no four by five. You came by channel lugging it around on a tripod and you know maybe go into death valley and doing some west and stuff and it's like i didn't have a clue but what i did have clue about was really being interested in the land and how light plays across the land and also across the water spent a lot of time eight as well as photographing seat and so that was just a natural extension of looking at the land here. I've got a camera in my hand. Start taking pictures of it. Say a little bit more about the interplay of light and land because this applies to the architectural work that you do as well but what. What is it that speaks to our spirited or our soul when we see a particular quality or shade of light on a dune or a wave or whatever. Yeah writes the light. You know you'd think about well. I've got all morning to take a picture of this particular landscape and paying upon the light and the weather clouds and a lot of other factors. It's very quick. It's almost like you gotta be right there and you may wait a long time to get that one exposure that one capture but it really has to do with the light and most landscape photographers talk about well. The magic hour is no sunrise. The golden hour right. I think there's a great deal of truth to that. The same time i believe. I made some important landscape images at high noon at all times of the day How do you know when it works. How do you know when this one's good good question. So i was listening to robert frank interview a couple of days for some reason thinking about frank and he was talking about you know relationship to the americans of knowing when he made a good photograph. And you know. I thought about that for a while. And i've always thought that seventy five percent of the time when i have a good photograph i know it even before i take the patron for released the shutter or make the capture and then the other twenty five percent of the time is during the editing process of looking era. Contact sheets are looking at your images in bridge or enlight room and y'all making decisions based on that but what defines a quality landscape image. Is it interesting. Is it something that. I wanna look at again and again. Is it something that i believe. Other people would be interested in looking at and it also sometimes you gotta let that stuff percolate for a year or so and say how you feel about it. After twelve months or twenty four months or in some cases after a couple of years does it. Stand the test of time And i've had an awful lot of one. That i thought wow issue just great and then you know six months later. What was i thinking about this. You know that's just crazy. You know i think you hit upon something essentially that we don't talk about an awful lot and that is the ability of an image to reward a reviewing certainly a lot of images reward a first few you look at it and you think wow that's spectacular or you know whatever but then you come back the second time you come back to a third time and if it's still speaking to you then you got something to hang onto at. I think landscape from my point of view the best landscape photography is a little act of revelation. It's one of those things where you go back and think. Oh my you know. I'm a little bit different. And now the spurs a little bit different instill speaking to me. Which which your work does. I gotta tell you man. I am jealous. How about you going to tibet and everybody the these tibetan pictures are on the the eighth photo project's website. Tell me tell me tibet story. Tell me about going there about shooting in about stuff that maybe isn't in the images to tibet in two thousand and he just can't roll into the country you couldn't roll into the country then not better. It's even harder now so you have to have visas yet to have permission from the chinese embassy and you just can't wander around so i signed on with i. Don with these hindu. Pilgrims were are going out to mount kailash sacred mountain in western tibet. And we bumped along overland for about four weeks coming in going there. No roads and western tibet if real high. It's like or teen fifteen thousand feet but it kind of looks like montana and surrounded by huge mountains on either side the himalayas to the south. And when you do a lot of rivers ford rivers than than we were in these old junkie. Toyota land cruiser and We had a supply truck that followed us. Because there's no gas stations. there's no stores. We camped every night and we got to mount kailash which is very sacred place both for hindus as well to batons. And i time it so that i would arrive there with these hindu pilgrims for saga which is the birth of the buddha and they have a huge celebration in the middle of nowhere in kailash and photographing there was just a trip was unbelievable. Well i'm looking at an image of mounkaila right now on your website and beautifully done this. This is the one where the mountains in the background is a little bit hazy back. But you've got this really intense foreground frame. Y'all lovely lovely work. I do want to ask you the story behind one image and this is the destroy monastery at darshan to tell me the story of that shot so we had. There were guides sherpas but that were qualified to go to a certain elevation. And these guys were just you know they were skipping around. And so this is like fifteen sixteen seventeen thousand feet to get up to the monastery. And i've been acclimating for three weeks or so and i was still huffing and puffing uncomfortable and getting up there we went and found the sherpa guide and i found this tibetan buddhist monk and he guide is up to the destroyed monastery and the sherpa spoke some english and was talking about how during the cultural revolution. The chinese had destroyed all the monasteries. How they had suppressed. Everybody and most tibetans are still scared of the chinese while they should be but going up to that monastery seeing at That's all unfolding in front of me and a little Not high from the altitude as like being high high but just really oxygen depletion. Up there Actually sat down and started photographing that. That was a high point to absolutely well. It's one of the few photographs from this series. That includes i just shouldn't take several that that includes structures and kind of human presence. This one seems to be particularly rich in narrative. You've got this walkway leading away from the lens towards the monastery. I mean you could have been fifteen steps closer fifteen steps left or right but you set it up. In a in a kind of narrative form can landscape be narrative. Absolutely i think so. I think that a good landscape tells a story. You know looking back at some of the nineteenth century american photographers out in the west. They were definitely telling stories with their work and influence politically. How the west was opened up. I mean that's free evidence stuff. Not all of your landscape. Work is black and white. So tell me about the difference for you. Yes oh. I didn't start really photographing surfing color until oh nine thousand nine hundred ninety one inch in the story of how i got into his kind of long. I don't want to get into that. I want to stick to your question of washing white collar photography and i think that again a lot of it has to do with the light. I think that a lot of it has to do with. What's in the landscape. Is there a lot of color in the landscape or is it pre It's like runs. Itself is better rendered in black and white. Some of my letter landscapes are in color. I'm look i'm sitting in my studio right now. Looking at one that is taking maybe four or five years ago just still blows me away just in black and white. It just wouldn't been as strong artful safe one of your segments one of your portfolios. You call long shots and you don't really mean long exposure don't tell me about this portfolio and when we get into it i gotta ask you about one in particular shot but i. What are you doing there. So that is that's filmed their film. Exposures is a panoramic camera. This was a fuji. G x six one seven so as six centimeters high by seventeen centimeters long each negative. You get four to a roll of twelve exposures One twenty and the lenses are interchangeable as wide angle normal telephoto and the real high end lenses large format view camera lenses quality is just super and a lot of people who were into that format. Usually put him on tripods. There's a spirit level in the camera you know. Try because if you're especially the wide angle lens if you're out of a little bit begin a real noticeable distortion. I've always been kind of a handhold kinda guy and what's really what's really cool that you bring this up as we're sitting here now. I'm sitting here now. I'm waiting for a delivery of thirteen inch by thirty eight inch paper to print thirty of heavens. Yeah so. I've been within the last week stretch with i've been re printing them and i've been looking at them again. I've been thinking about again. I made a decision. You really want a definitive set. A prince that are fairly large because it's a large format dong jammer. They are extraordinary. Wide angle is true but doesn't do it justice They are extraordinary wide shots. But i'm going through the portfolio hair. I'm thinking this is beautiful. This is beautiful. And then i get to the verticals and the if you're if you're listening. Imagine a standard wide angle shot in a much wider than it is tall but now it's flipped around and suddenly. Here's a palm tree on a beach but we got a bunch of beach and a bunch of sky and compressed left and right. It really took my breath away. What what what made you turn the camera. What made you envision of vertical wide angle versus the horizontal. I mean why not. I mean know you're looking at. The camera has viewfinder. So you're not looking through the landscape and site of course you're going to be looking at things as vertical with it There was also a very brief famous book of new york architecture. Buildings that was photographed with these cameras back in the nineties. I wanna say. The name of the book was vertical. I'm not too black and whiter. And i remember charlie. That's must have had some sort of influence on thinking about some of the images that i've made as verticals. There's one with the waterfall. it's a long exposure in that. Just naturally lends itself as a vertical. But you know there's one of an infinity pool in the as source. That's a vertical. That just really doesn't for me. Just you're using space in a way that isn't really that common to see and it makes me think about space using it in a different way for sure. I think the work was was absolutely mesmerizing. And i think a lot of you know. Look through a viewfinder. We've seen image like oh that sort of cute but then we turn the camera with a quote right way and not paused long enough or not thought about it enough but it impressive works are. I was reading. I think it was in frames magazine. You were talking about shooting in india and you were talking about. You know you're doing your work but you're also handing out polaroid's as a way to break the is to establish some community with the people you're working with and yet you've got a whole portfolio of polaroid's here. Tell me the appeal of that process. That whatever you wanna call it polarize. When the first color that i really could have prince of yeah back in thirty five. Millimeter days for me. I was making callers flies. But other than projecting on walls there was nothing. I could really do with them at the time polaroid starting a seven. You got these little funky prints and i mean it was just like magic for me and i kept making them from the mid seventy s. All the way up until you couldn't get any film anymore. Went from a to a spectrum. The work in india is all spectrum. The call is a little bit better than a seventy the images themselves. They're unique not only because they're just a unique print. But the way polaroid. That plastic lens renders things is very very different and the immediacy of it is certainly attractive. This was before iphones and digital cameras and being able to engage somebody who's never seen a polaroid before in that process. I'd always heard about that before. I started experiencing that for myself ads. Just magic that is unbelievable and people are just if that was two thousand years ago they would make you emperor of rome. I i like that photographers as emperor. I give it us all into a career goal. There you have made a career out of travel fifty and you know all all over the world and you have engaged in some pretty substantial residencies. So from photographers. Point of view Tell me about life away from home but also tell me then about settling in for rush ince's in a foreign place. How does that feed your work. How does that. How does that go. The residencies i. I've done four of them. Starting in two thousand and sixteen. I did one of done one a year. And they've all been in europe eastern europe and i did one during the winter months in northern iceland which was a real trip glad abbott and so it's a very different. It's a different experience than traveling or renting a house for a month or so because you're with other artists which was really cool. The work that i was doing was unique to each residency. No two of the same. And i really look forward to after i did the first one it was like i want to be doing. This is what i want to be doing for. You know at least the next ten years and caused the kobe. Of course. I didn't do one in twenty twenty nine passed up a really great one australian. It's like i really regret that one church but the work that's come out of it out of the residency is for me has been different. It's it's not that. I felt like i'd been stagnating but what i've been doing with the residents the work the residencies is definitely pushing my work forward in some ways that i never imagined possible being able to sit in one place have a proposal. This is what i'm gonna do show up and start working on what you think you're going to do. And in some cases soon as i stopped pretty close to what thought i was going to do in other cases i mean. I didn't like almost one hundred and eighty degrees. An example is the first one. I did was in lisbon portugal and i was. I been there a couple of times before and i was really fascinated interested in the architecture of one particular part of lisbon all contemporary architecture. And so i went back there. And i was developing a proposal and a project. That architecture is a visual language. It's got into how that actually works as photographs. And you know what am i communicating. And what is the architecture communicating. And are they really the same communication. And i don't think they are. But that was a real turning point and i'm glad that was the first one for me because it really like set me up to be like. Wow i could really get into these type of projects as opposed to individual projects that i've been doing in the past. They were a little more structured. There was a definite time line to him and there was also an outcome that had to be achieved. The is like e couldn't be the end of it leaving it just sorta hanging you. Had to have closure there would be an exhibition. There be presentations. There would be open studios it was it was really really an engaging process to be sure that data is all. I am completely envious. You brought up something just a second ago that i i want to go back to and if you're listening this this is yet another version of the website. This site called my big fat photographs but fateh spelled with age right. Oh my big fat photographs dot com. You have a section there on architectural photography. And i've always found the a question in this genre really interesting if you're taking pictures of extraordinary architecture. Are you taking extraordinary pictures. Or are you taking normal pictures mundane pictures of somebody else's genius like going to the leuven taking a picture of a painting. Your picture meet is is absolutely ordinary but somebody else did a good painting what what makes architectural photography special. Offer me what. What happens is i start. Let's take The jury museum in panama. Not sure if you've been looking at that or not it's a real bright colored In tears mental than over angles. The first time i went there. I just had an iphone with me and say wow i gotta come back so i went back there every day for several days with the digital camera. And it's like. I would get role as united. Start picking up details looking at it and because it's digital i can see right away how it looks and then really you know. Shedding inspired enthused. By what the architecture is saying to may and so it becomes a dance that we are dancing together and the outcome of that movement are images. I love that. You have a whole series of facades. Tell me what's engaging in that dance idea from that by the facades the doors in the window yeah you know. I'm always been photographing that stuff and it really is. It's more than a dance. It's almost like visual calisthenics. That i'm able to compose frame and make that happen a doorway and a window that is p- remained mundane stuff. Everybody else does that any some of some of mine. i think. Really stand the test of time. No doubt about it. I think i think they do you. We go back to the old idea of composition being everything in light being everything looking at your color architecture. Page right now You begin with a very plain wooden door. It's got a kind of decoration on top of it but this beautiful crossing diag line of light your shadow which the only therefore the thirty second son was in that position completely your work with the doors simply being in it. It is wonderful stuff. What do you work in. i've been Housebound like the rest of the world. And i'm very fortunate that i do have access to the atlantic ocean basis. Very nice place landed saw to lot of photography for me. So what i've been doing. I've been photographing inside my house. I've been photographing in the mornings in the afternoons. How the light coming through. The nation blinds falls on various objects in my house. Brief stupid and dumb but it is pretty stupid and dumb. But there's been some really amazing photographs. The body of work is the working title. Is light leaks like a leaky eve. Yeah yeah older. And so i mean. Light is leaking into my space. And i'm photographing what that looks like. And then i'm making Fairly large format prints at the end of the day of that are these are these composed still lives. Are they more. Tell me a little bit more. They are still lives. That's like you know how lights falling across a wall. How light is falling onto pieces of furniture pillows on the bed dresser i started looking at jan rovers work maybe a month or so ago because that kind of triggered some of her work that she was doing. Because i i started this With the slight leaks with pots and pans drying in my district or in the morning. And you know real close up and stuff like that and it's like start expanding from there into living room into the bedroom now then i find myself. I'm hanging out in the bedroom in an easy chair waiting for the sun. Be just say well. This is pretty cool. Say sure you're you're just hanging out in the easy chair like while you're killing time until we can get back on an airplane go someplace And well i imagine the minute. The travel bans are lifted. You're going to be heading someplace. This this has been wonderful. This has been fascinating. I really do admire your work. I look at it. And i think you know like i said this. This is what i wanna do. When i grow up so thank you very much. Thank you frames. Because the toggle the lungs on paper visit us at. Www dot read frames dot com.

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Breathing Essentials That Will Change Your Life  James Nestor with Dave Asprey : 751

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Breathing Essentials That Will Change Your Life James Nestor with Dave Asprey : 751

"Station high performance you're listening to radio with Dave asprey. Today is a show that I am so excited to do because it's something that has been a core part of the the bulletproof lifestyle. And something that I've been interested in for years. But something that I felt like maybe we haven't talked about enough in the world of biohacking and in case you're wondering why I'm sitting here looking really weird. We're talking about nothing other than breathing. And, there's all kinds of times I've talked about. Maybe doing a box breath I've even taught some breathing meditations in some online challenges I've done but going really deep on carbon dioxide on nitric oxide on oxygen levels is something that I learned about Oh maybe twenty years ago fifteen years ago with device that I'm wearing right now if you're watching on Youtube I'm actually holding up a cap no trainer which measures the amount of carbon dioxide and co two I'm going to take this little nasal Kanye off because it's irritating. and. When I tried this up I, didn't really know what I was doing. This was at the very beginning of my journey on this. But I've done out of living for a long time. Yet there was something missing from the story from the physiology I know that they're superpowers from breathing and there's so much weird information where it sounds good but it doesn't work and all that, and I recently read a book that blew my mind by a guy named James. Nester. Who is a real bio hacker? He's a guy who's a science journalist and author a surfer of free diver adventurer after and super into breathing the book is called breath and. I will tell you right now this is one of the top five books of the year that you want to read if you're into biohacking living longer performing better, just feeling good and his book convinced me to do some stuff that I've talked about on the show before that I wasn't doing reliably that I am now doing. So I already, Oh, a debt of gratitude to dates gas to you said a word yet. So James Nestor. Welcome to the show. Thanks a lot for having me. At your new book breath, it's called the new science of a lost art had all the best seller list La Times, New York Times Wall Street Journal odds with already successful But I feel like you had a very long half to get there. I mean you you talk to all the crazy people around the planet. You went to visit them. You have you know crazy Swedes hang out your house. 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We're talking about reducing resting, heart rate, lowering stress and anxiety making me sleep better and more energy and focus. So check it out. Go to silent mode dot com slash Dave they're going to give you fifteen percents off your entire cart and they'll give you a six month subscription to the breath bionics APP. That's silent mode dot com slash Dave use, Code David Checkout. Never. Set out to write a book about breathing it's just kept stumbling upon research and stories over several years. Until finally, there were enough of them to convince myself that this was something worth exploring really started when I went to an art of living course. Oh Yeah, and I did the follow up course. So the course was was cool I enjoyed it. I didn't feel too much from any of breathing techniques and then I did a follow up course when I was really stressed out a house falling was rebuilding my house job was stressing me out. So, I wrote my bike down to this old room and sat cross-legged in this in this cold room with a twelve other people saying around the circle and I started breathing along with with shree and just in this rhythmic pattern nothing really special and I broke it with retreat in the room or via a cassette tape. For. Some reason that they love cassettes I love the his along with that analog is some breathing along with them just. Can't wait till the zone with go grab a Burrito. Grab. GonNa GonNa grab a beer and broke into the sweat that was the most extreme sweat a ever had in my life far more than when I was working out jogging boxing whatever my hair was sopping wet my t shirt was sopping wet. I'd sweat lodges on my on my jeans. So other people class saw this and afterwards they. Would happen to you and I was unsure what happened I asked the instructor and she said something about pronouns our energy. But I went back to my doctor who who actually she was the one who told me I should check out breathing class because I've been having so many respiratory problems Monja bronchitis. And I asked her what had happened and she had no idea. She said I must have had a fever or I must have been wearing too many clothes and. She had no no clue and she didn't really want to understand it so. As a journalist I filed that experience away that didn't know what to do with it. I wasn't going to write a memoir about reading how how lame would that be but it was really until I. I met free divers who showed me the true. Potential of where breath could take us and really opened the door. and. EANET divers this isn't book but you met them I'm guessing because of the work you did on whale communication and and all of that in Predator other science journalism works you connected to the diving community that way Yeah, I went out with outside magazine to write a story about a free diving competition and Greece and I didn't know too much about this even though it spent most of my life in the ocean surfing or swimming body serving. I didn't know about free diving I'd never done. It didn't know anyone who did it and I watch these people. These were ordinary looking people. So small people tell people large people whatever various walks of life that had used the power breathing to hold their breath for six seven eight minutes at a time in dive down to three, hundred, three, hundred, fifty feet but just a single breath of air. And this completely blew me away would they told me was breathing cannot only allow you to do this, which is considered scientifically impossible can also allow you to teach your body up when you're coal and allow you to heal your body if you're sick of pretty outrageous claims but I had seen what free diving could do i. was there looking at thought Maybe there's a larger story here so. Saying, and you tell a parts of the story in fact, very effectively in your book and just as a as a fellow author my compliments on for the job you did just in terms of making the book accessible I played it with my kids when you get an eleven year old thirteen year old saying what's happening you know Daddy I'm going to take my mouth closed when I go to sleep. Thank. You hear very often by the way if you're listening to going what the Hell we're going to get there and We need a big caveat before we get into that. Don't call the cops yet. Okay. Exactly. It wasn't duct tape. And for longtime listeners, we've actually had take a breathing guys on the show maybe about a year ago talking about that kind of breathing. But for new listeners and there are lots of show is is really growing and it reaches a couple of million downloads a month now. So it's it's big but if you knew this, just stick with it because there's going to be references to stuff. That's in your book or stuff that I've talked about at various episodes that you might not have heard and that's okay and if you're saying you're repeating yourself. Yeah. That's because you've listened forever. So you guys are going to have to deal with that. So you both ways then exactly. because. This is a really complex topic. Your book is. The preeminent book on breathing that I've come across and I mean I wrote the Foreword Shrieks head trainer for the art of Living I. Did this is breathing exercises for five years and like you I couldn't explain it and I'm regretting after read your book about maybe five six years ago against Chris if memory serves who's afraid retail like four or five, hundred, Dave, you need to talk to free divers. You got to have someone on the show for that and I just never got around to this is interesting but like there's so much going on and when I was like, oh. Man I missed that one but you landed on it and he went so deep. So you started out with a question mark as a science journalist like why did this happen and you filed it away and it percolated for a while similar in in some cases to outside of Mount Kailash in bed I'm like, why do I feel different after this weird butter thing and eventually something came of it so You, you connected with the free divers. You saw superpowers in action. You saw lots of people and had some experiences sweating, and that drew you into this but I wanna talk about sinuses because you open your book with that and I have maybe never said this on the show I was three days away from scheduled sinus surgery when I figured out what to do on cleaning out my sinuses and avoiding the surgery I it was a book called Sinus survival but it wasn't about breathing through my nose and walk me through what you did. especially the measurements of the thickness of bone in your face to fix your sinuses before we can go into the rest of the breathing stuff you did. So I just WanNa be very clear. Some people absolutely need surgical interventions with their nose. They're completely messed up but from what I learned from the top researchers in the field is most of us don't. So when an an t says, okay, I've looked at scan you have a deviated Septum, we need to put you right into surgery right now seventy five percent of the modern population has a Septum that is clearly deviated to the naked eye. So you should maybe step back and try some less invasive techniques. That will be less profitable for for them, but but could save you from a from a lot of trouble. So I start working with the chief of Reynolds Research Stamford Guy named Dr Jack Nyack had several interviews. Stanford's pretty close to my house here in San Francisco. So who's down there we'd have these three hour lunches and he kept telling me about all of the wondrous things that the. Knows does. So it filters air humidifiers, air pressurized air, and it's really our first line of defense and he also told me something that was pretty shocking to me. Was that about twenty five to fifty percent of the population that's on the higher end, our chronic mouth readers. So we don't use our noses either because we can't because there are always plugged up or we just choose not to. So I asked him I said we know that there's so many problems associated with mouth breathing. I'm the science is very clear on that increased risk of respiratory infections crease risk of snoring sleep out the goes on changes the shape of your face if you do it too much and when you're young so no one's arguing that but nobody knew how quickly it came on and so I asked him I said, but one or two year at Stanford man what are tested and he didn't know how. So he didn't. Have money allocated. So I mentioned well, what of what of I get myself and one other person to do an experiment? He was all game for it. So we spent ten days with silicon up our noses to just be breathing through a mouse and the point of this wasn't to do sorta jackass super size me stunt it was just a low oursel- position that. So much of the population was already in. so much of the population mouth breathing different was we were calculating exactly what was happening to our bodies Every minute of every day, not every minute of it. Often three times a day we retrieve the amounts of data. Yeah. Crazy amounts so. That that was it. We knew it was gonNA suck No one was was kidding each other that this was gonna be a pleasant thing but we didn't know it was going to suck so so hard so quickly. So my blood pressure just within a few hours shot up about fifteen to twenty points just off the bat in the series stage to hypertension. So that was bad. Then I went to. Bed that night I started storing and I had not been snorted all few days. Later, I was snoring for about four hours throughout the night I had sleep apnea. We're totally stressed we can focus on anything. I mean our heart rate variability was just in a gutter. It was a complete disaster to the point that after about five days I looked at Anders Olsen, who was the other participant in the study. I don't know if I can do this for another five days, but but we did and it just got worse you know it got worse when I read that part of your book was like man, you just explained my childhood I grew up in a basement that a toxic mold. I had sinus infections every month for fifteen years I'd gone antibiotics for them which. God. But So I I remember also I would get these chronic nosebleeds must have been maybe ten and when I say chronic I mean every day my nose bleed and I became a little bit paranoid because you're like sitting in class and there's like blood coming out your nose it's just not cool so. I'm I just decided. I'm not gonNA blow my nose anymore as a child would do So I went for at least a month with a clogged sinuses but I didn't know what that was doing for my teeth and for my jaw and even for my brain, what happens to you when you do not breath your nose at all for a period of time like that just walk listeners through through that So when we're breathing through her mouth, you can think of the lungs as an External Oregon when we're mouth breathing so they're just exposed to everything in your environment. If you live in a city like I do that means pollution that means pollens if you're in an enclosed space with with black mold or other problems that means dust. So our noses have all these hairs and Sylvia and different structures to filter gunk out. That's what they do and by. Reading like that you get none of those benefits of filtration. So that's that's the first big problem. But what it does immediately is is mouth breathing. You're going to be breathing into the upper part of your chest, which is much less efficient, which means you need to take more breaths to get less oxygen. So your Your heart rate's GonNa go up. You'RE GONNA place yourself into a sympathetic state where you stress levels are gonna go up in all of this as a downstream effect on your ability to think on your ability to exercise on your ability to basically do anything because we take about twenty thousand to twenty, five, thousand breath every day on the upper end can take that many breasts today. And if you're taking those breads inadequately or inefficiently, it's going to catch up with you. The body will compensate for some of that time. Their bodies are really good at it. That doesn't mean we're healthy and after a while it's just gonNA break you down. So it's so many people have chronic. It's like twenty five percent of the population. So many people are out breathing. So many people have asthma that we've accepted this as completely normal and it's not in the science is very clear but damage this is doing to us is a population. So. As we said that I opened my mouth to take a breath I when I record podcasts I spend all day pretty much on on video audio and I've become more aware of breathing into my nose even when I'm when I'm doing that you just WanNa sniff into the microphone. it's it's something that. After your. Listening to your book and Reading Your Book, I, did both. I did become much more conscious of just consciously during the day breathing through my nose and. I experimented after I had the Boutique. Oh. You guys on the show I experimented with a lip seal tape I actually sent it in a box of do like a box every quarter curated Dave asprey box of just cool stuff that I find the people get a discount and I sent it out to people but I only used it three times because I knew the science, but it might not always been a little bit gunky. It's pretty good but it was that that reinforcement and your storytelling that got to go you know what? I'm just going to deal with it that the nozoe. Up in a way that I had heard on the show but I just hadn't executed in my own life. So I will tell you that for the past maybe three months now I've just take my mouth every night when I go to sleep which sounds super crazy. If you're listening to this, I'm not kidding read breath and you'll understand why or listen to the other episode and listening to this episode. And it it has profoundly improved my sleep quality in a way that is weird but you talk about. How. Mouth breathing is bad. But you didn't talk about teeth and facial structure. What did, what did you find breathing did for teeth develop and as adults and what did you do to your own teeth and sinuses to change them So first of all, with the sleep tape thing, the sounded I just WANNA address this real quick this completely sketchy to me and then. I went on Youtube and it looked even more insane. I said, there's no way I'm ever GonNa do this. But then when I was at Nayak's lab a win across the hallway and saw breeding therapists. And current doctor speech language pathology at Stanford. I was talking to her just shooting the stuff about various things and she's asleep taper. She prescribes it to Oliver Patients and she told me that she was slated for nasal surgery and because she's like I've been mouth breather my whole life I can't breathe it all and she thought she knows about the knows she looked at various people twenty different people who learned Jack Amis behold drilled in their throat and notice from two months to two years. Their noses were completely clogged one hundred percent. So she knows as a lose it, use it or lose it Oregon, and so she tried using sleep tape herself. My God after ten days she could breathe through her nose. Now she's an Obliga- Zal breather and is and is really preaching this. So after I talked with her I talked to Dr Mark. Burhaniye who's been prescribing this for for you know years and years to all of his patients in in so many other people so don't go on Youtube don't look at what people are doing talk talk to the experts in the field but it's unknown thing you breathe through the more you breakthrough knows the more you're going to be able to breathe through your nose and that has massive benefits so as far as our teeth and our faces are concerned. You know you start off researching a subject and he think you Kinda know your way around where the research is going to lead you I when you're writing nonfiction book, Pro. Bowl I said I got this thing figured out and then you're thrown such like this hard left turn and I did it about six months research because I learned that. So many of the problems that were suffering from from breathing aren't just psychological their anatomical and they've. Happened to us in just the last few hundred years, and now that seems crazy because a lot of people think that evolution is just progress progress progress survival of the V, it's totally not evolution means change just look at the human face and human skull and you can see what I mean I I spent months looking at ancient skulls and it will really spooky you out not only because their skulls but because they all have perfectly straight teeth. They have these very wide jaws, these very flat or very pronounced faces, wide faces, and by having those faces in having these pronounced jaws, they had larger airways. So the reason why humans have crooked teeth this is something I had never thought about everyone I knew had crooked teeth, braces extractions, all that crap because our mouths have grown. So small the teeth have no word grow. So they growing crooked having a small mouth also means we have the smaller Airway which swan the main reason. So many of us suffer from sleep apnea snoring and other breeding issues is because our mouths are so small so. My upper palate used to be much smaller than it is my lower jaw was further back than I didn't have a square jaw after I figured out the bulletproof sinus rents and I ten times a day I was washing my sinuses out and really focusing on this I've found a guy named white jennings who is one of the first couple of hundred people on on the show. And he went in as you describe in your book he made a custom splints that allowed expanded my upper politics about two years. I wore a twenty four seven and allowed my lower come down relax and move forward and it opened up my palate and restructured my face without surgery. Now. I, didn't measure the thickness of bones in my face the way you did but I've talked about this even in my last anti-aging book and I've always felt like such a crazy person saying, no, seriously the shape of your jaw and how your teeth hit affects how long you're going to live but I didn't have the connection between nasal breathing. I should have put it in my book, but I didn't have it down in shame on me because I had heard about this from the potato guys. I just didn't know the connection between breathing through knows and having a big palette and having straight teeth and I'm so grateful I get to teach my kids this now and what did you do to fix your face given that you and I both were were not nasal breeders when we were young. So yeah. I wish I had known this stuff growing up to would have saved me a lot of grief. But what I did is I took a cat scan and nyack looked at it and start cracking up, which is not something you want a doctor to do while looking at escape he's I you are a complete mess a broken my nose like three times deviated Septum like all kinds of problems he's like your perfect candidate for surgery. Let me fix you. Know want to try to do this another way. So there's a lot of confusion as to why having a plug nose or or different growth patterns in the face would affect nasal breathing like why would have an a small mouth affect your nasal breathing and it turns out that this upper palate if you have a clean thumb in the age of, Co, bid use a clean thumb. You can put up to the top roof of your mouth, the Upper Palate And that Palette should be pretty flat. If you're like me, it's not flat at all. It juts way up. So that is called a v-shaped Palette okay and high arched palate nickel various names, and when the Palette doesn't fall correctly when you're younger which did not my face, it stays up to high, which can impede the flow of air coming in through. knows. It actually interrupts the flow of air into your nose. So it if you have a ridge down the middle, that's essentially the bottom of the V. So it's higher on either side. That's what you're talking about. If it's if if there is a large indentation when you're looking at on either side are in the middle right in the middle. Okay. Got It. So and and it's interesting. You look at ancient skulls and it's almost flat. Their upper pilots are almost flat extremely wide. You look at modern skulls and they're very very high up as their faces are Maoz are so thin now. So this is something that Dr Mark Brahimi told me. So this is so important when you're younger, it's really easy to change this right correct oral posture chewing other correct breathing. This can all affect how your face is gonNA look. So if you don't care about your health, a lot of people care about how they're gonNA look that. Maybe. Maybe pay attention to that. But when you're older, it's hard. You're an adult like you know youth was was a million years ago for me what can I do? But I managed to meet some people who had sort of taken a very old technique and used it for more modern purposes what I mean by that is the first orthodontics. Functional orthodontics weren't meant to crane teeth in they weren't headgear they expanded the mouth. The problem with having a mouth. It's too small for your face faces the teeth grow and crooked. So to me, it makes perfect sense to expand that mouth that upper palate. Make more room for the teeth to grow in straight. You also make more room for the airway you breathe better. So they've taken this technology or this philosophy and have used it for for adults and us one of these devices of just curious I'd seen the scientists the science had seen the case studies, dozens and dozens of case studies of huge. Airway growth in these people after a few months. So I wore this device for every single night. I won't say it was the most pleasant thing. The world on my upper palate had a little dowse screw in it, and it very slowly opened up that upper palate. There's a suture right in the middle of that upper palate that can gently split open and even in adulthood and not only does it increase your airway size, but it can also add bone to your face. We're told after thirty, we can't model new bone wrong. We can in our faces. If you read superhuman, you know how important it is to manage blood glucose spikes. 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Of that in combination with nasal breathing on oxygen and the brain because even though I fixed all the holes in my brain with the Doctor Dana and brain scans things that are caused by toxins I still have less blood flow, my brain than like and in your book you talked about changes in oxygen and changes in blood flow to the brain just. From nasal breathing and presumably from having enough space in your palate there how long does it take for people to see brain change from either expanding their powder just from breathing in their nose I? Don't think has done any studies on looking at brain blood flow and palatal expansion because this stuff is still considered fringy, it won't be ears prom a promising, Israel? Yeah. Moving in this direction, you let the cat out of the bag I mean any doctor who reads your book and there are lots of doctors listen to the show in seriously guys you have to read the change of practice. is going to look at the hard data that you put out there and say wait maybe I should look at this. What as we haven't, we don't have the studies on expanding the. Palette. But we do have studies on breathing through the nose and option in the brain. What are those studies say? Will breathing equivalent breath through the nose through the mouth will increase oxygenation about twenty percent. You get twenty percent more oxygen, and that is a combination of nitric oxide because we produce a profusion of Nitric Oxide in our noses, we can increase that fifteen fold by humming and it's also the because it slows air down a lot of people think well, why don't want to slow down I need more oxygen. When you over breed like this, ever contrive this breed like a pervert for a little while. You're gonNA feel some some teaching lane in your fingers. You might feel something leaning their toes you're going to get lightheaded that is not from an increase of oxygen to these areas is from a decrease of circulation. So the idea that breeding more is going to bring more oxygen to your hungry cells is completely false in need to breathe in line with your metabolic needs, which almost always means reading less than you think you should and breathing slowly. so by breathing through the nose. Right, there's a vacuum going in positive pressure coming out you're slowing down air you're increasing the pressure you're giving your lungs more time to extract oxygen you're also. Breathing lower in the lower lobes of the lungs have more blood in them. Blood has gravity dependent. So In those areas you can extract more oxygen as well. So a people have known this researchers have known this for for decades we've known that having the right amount of carbon dioxide and oxygen is essential to be running most efficiently and handle anderson at Yale was doing these studies one hundred years ago. But what was so bizarre to me is to stumble across this all of this science which nobody is refuted. Okay and then you bring it up to a pulmonologist, my father-in-law's a pulmonologist so he was with me along. This entire journey we were passing studies back and forth. He'd never heard of any of this stuff and this is not pointing fingers. He's amazing at is jobs, but he's dealing with pathologies is cutting out stuff from lungs. He's dealing with people with empathy seem he's dealing with people who copd he's not looking at people who are trying to maintain health in certain ways and even the breathing patterns that I was mentioning do almost look look at what what happens a circulation look what happens to your heart rate your variability. Breathing in these surveys, this was completely news to him because in his profession it's are you are you breathing or not? If you're breathing, that's good. If you're not, that's really bad. And they're great at what they do same with EMT's of the transform. So many people's lives. So again, there's no finger-pointing, but it's not binary medicines not binary if you're looking to maintain health and prevent yourself from getting sick at any time, breathing has to be considered SA- core part of that long with what you eat, how you sleep and how much you exercise. I would I would absolutely double down on what you just said and By, there's a couple of different directions we can go here, but you talked about nitric oxide and breathing through the nose. Tell me about the weird connection I did not know about between your sex organs and your sinuses. So. This another thing that I stumbled upon that, I, just was not predicting in this long strange journey of writing this book. So it turned out that there's one oregon more closely connected to your genitals than any other, and it is your nose because our noses are coated with erectile tissue the same erectile tissue on her nipples same erectile tissue is you know where they? ACT The same way so are rectal tissue and our noses and gorgeous with blood so or it becomes flaccid and opens up. So throughout the day, there's something called the nasal cycle every about thirty minutes to three or four hours you will be right nostril dominant meaning that that Nassir will be more open and breathing we'll be more easy or you'll be left nostril dominant. So I am. Much. More right nostril dominant right now. So our bodies do this automatically is this amazing thing one nostril opens as the other closes sometimes they both feel like they're open is very subtle but other times you'll notice throughout the day that is pretty pronounced. One will really be be closed up and that's not because of congestion as because of this erectile tissue. So they were doing Freud was all into this stuff. He thought sexual neuroses were tied to the nose. So he would have Haitians go in and drill out their noses some pretty gnarly stuff but some science that did not make it into this book because it sounded too sketchy as they used to administer cocaine to women with series pms they felt great who who had a guest but sometimes they they would remove some tissues in there and they would suffer much less symptoms of. Of PMS and they did tons of studies on this stuff but that was just getting too far out in the weeds which do need to knows everyone has this erectile tissue and it's definitely serving a purpose, which is one of the reasons you should be breathing through nose and not through your mouth because your mouth has none of that stuff. So you breathe through your nose increases nitric oxide, which increases Vasil dilation which increases erectile tissue both in men and women in the sex organs. Yeah and if you look at Viagra, what does biogra- do it releases more nitric oxide, which grades more Vaso dilation and you can release a lot more nitric oxide in your nose by humming I don't know if there's been any long range control studies looking at harming and sexual performance. Good luck getting that one funded, but it would it would be interesting to see. Fifteen full increases is is not small is not minor and I. There was one study. This guy did who had chronic sinusitis which has caused by virus or fungus, and he hummed for a select amount of times of every day it. Would for few minutes a day and he was able to completely get rid of his chronic sinusitis. This is N. one study. So don't don't run out and start humming and saying that this is the prescription forever sinusitis, but it is it is interesting that nitric oxide guess what it does it interacts directly with viruses and bacteria, and with funguses, it kills them, which is why Lewis Narrow who won the Nobel Prize in the nineties whereas work with nitric oxide believes that just breathing through the nose that nitric oxide could help stem some of a huge viral load of covid and another reason to do that. I got a lot of crap when I, post on instagram this thing called mask mouth because when you have a mask on even just in ninety five or one of those cloth masks that actually doesn't do anything according to the latest research. But they cause you to naturally mouth breathe because there's more pressure to suck things in anyone listening to the superior mask right now are you reading through your mouth? The odds are almost certainly high that you're doing that. So you have to really consciously remember nasal breathing mask. So they're seeing more cavities, more sinus issues, and one of the studies shows that especially cloth masks which have more back pressure and less filtration increase your chances of getting. Respiratory illness quite a lot. I think it's because you're breathing through your mouth not through your nose and I thinking that of your book to be perfectly honest. Well, we know there's direct links between mouth breathing cavities, dentists who have been working on this. Again, I'm going to quote from Dr. Mark. Brahimi Heath. He believes the number one cause of cavities is mouth even beyond diet in beyond sugar because if you're breathing for a third of your life. which fifty percent of the population is doing you're gonNA, make this environment so acidic and it becomes a breeding ground for cavities. So if you're breathing through your mouth through a mask that is bad news across the board for so many reasons, it's to me I take the mask as an opportunity to focus on my breath to breathe slowly debris less into breathe through. My nose, and if you're ever doubting that you're not getting enough oxygen, you can buy one of these things for about twenty bucks on Amazon for those people listening I'm holding up a pulse ox similar and no matter what mask I've worn. No matter how I was breathing in that mass cow slowly was breathing my stats were were completely fine I o. two sat was. Ninety eight ninety, nine percent, but oxygen the way you'd expect exactly so. What people are reacting to when the breathing through ask they say I'm not getting enough how to I can't breathe. They're reacting to an increase of carbon dioxide. It's not a lack of oxygen for a long time. I traveled with a pulse ox Senator and I fly a lot because I did before this whole pandemic. And I would really not enjoy how I feel when I landed. So I finally got to the feel exactly like myself when I land but part of that exploration was, what is what am I doing? They would go down to ninety, four, ninety, five on airplanes and one of the things that I noticed made a difference was if I drank carbonated water, give me the club Soda Not Normal Water which has carbon dioxide in it. Why did I feel better and have an increase in my spo to in my blood oxygen levels when I drink carbon dioxide, why would you think based on all this stuff you now? You know I went deep into that hole and talked to several researchers about it. What I found it was it was not conclusive what was happening with with with drinking up because I felt the same thing and I would see it too. I said Oh. This is very interesting if I drink a leader of carbonated liquid, is that going to increase my? To delivery. I think if someone were able to study with this, it would have to be very closely controlled study. You have to watch how people exactly how they breathe because breathing a little too much little too less. We're really so it's almost impossible to do this, but I think it would be fascinating but nonetheless having more carbon dioxide in your body for the vast majority of us is not a problem. It's a benefit because having more co two will allow oxygen to detach? From those red blood cells hemoglobin into Hungary cells so oxygen is able to dislodge in the presence of carbon dioxide, and so we've known this for one hundred, ten years. Now it's called the the BOHR effect. So breathing more slowly allows oxygen to come more easily into our organs or tissues and everything else, and this is something that so few people recognize or appreciate, but again, the scientists so clear no one's really refuting it just not a lot of people are doing. So we know that increasing carbon dioxide by the way you breathe. It increases acidity in the body. And how does the body reverse that? So you WANNA be balanced. You don't WanNa be too acidic. Any don't want to be too alkaline in your body is GonNa at at all times you WanNa stay at some point four P. H.. So because that's that's where all the magic happens throughout your body. So if you're going to low or if ever you going to high becoming to outline the body immediately adjust. So when we become more acidic our bodies, our lungs do a lot of this work. Right? We're forced to breathe bring us back back in line back in balance when we become more alkaline or. Kidney Start doing this work they start offloading by by car and that's for temporary times like that's not a problem. We have these these mechanisms that allow us to stay in balance. But if you are constantly over breathing over weeks over months over years, this can have such a deleterious effect on the health. It can actually impact your bone density. It can cause increased risk of bone fractures osteoporosis, and so many other problems because when you offload by car, you're taking with it essential minerals, magnesium phosphate more and more, and so you see this with as matic's or people with. Populations traditionally read way over the amount that they need to that they can suffer from these problems, and again I never thought the breathing could be associated with with bone density but but it is, and again, the scientists very clear on that when I was doing work for superhuman my anti-aging book and I was going through just finding all of these substances that are shown in studies to extend human lifespan. And it turns. Out Baking Soda. Is One of them. So having more bicarbonate present in the body so that you don't have to suck it out of your bones probably helping people rover breathing. Because it does extend life. In fact I. Find The potassium bicarbonate is a better choice as long as you don't get way too much of it because too much potassium does bad things to you but not enough does things. So I take potassium bicarbonate on every night before I go to bed because I figure why would I want suck it out of my bones Keep my bones right. Right. Want them. And it it's tied to breathing. There's no doubt. Eating differently taking different supplements these can have a profound effect on your health, but the body does so many amazing things. If you keep it in balance to do those things, it can heal itself in so many ways. So I prefer to to start with my body of my body can't figure it out then I'll move on to this other stuff. Yeah. Not immediately to move move into surgery like put nasal surgery i. Again to be clear some people need surgery absolutely need it. There's nothing wrong with surgery or drugs or any intervention just don't do it I. Yeah. Yeah and it's like Western science that this isn't a west West versus east thing to meet Western scientists frigging amazing I am a huge fan of Western medicine. But if you look at something with with especially if your noses messed up why not start with Netti Pot why not start nasal breathing why not start? And try that for a few weeks. Why not start with always breathing out of your nose with some sleep date these things basically costs nothing and as you've seen as I've seen so many other people have seen. They can have a really huge benefit to your ability to breathe clearly how much humming do I need to do to get benefits? Another study I wish has been has been made We do know that humming does increase that that all by by fifteen fold. I. Believe a couple of minutes just a couple of minutes because nitric oxide lasts for about two to six seconds you know. So it has a bioavailability very short so but but it's extremely potent and I don't think it's a coincidence that they're now eleven clinical trials looking at giving nitric oxide to patients with serious symptoms of of Covid and from what I've. Heard there it's having tremendous effect. Again, our bodies can create nitric oxide. We can do by breeding. We can do it by eating different foods but this humming thing it's you know it'd be hard to home for a few hours a day, and maybe that would just overload you with the NFL. I don't I don't know if anyone's done it but if you. Look at traditional chance. If you look at traditional Mantras, all man, what are you doing at the end of that? You were humming a low frequency, which is very good at releasing nitric oxide. So again, I just wish somebody you know that wasn't me or or you could do long range real controlled studies of this stuff because it could benefit everybody and maybe. Someone listening right now will be intrigued and want to do that. That would be wonderful news you talked about a specific number of breaths in the book would, which is funny because the standard box breath for the navy seals as five seconds but you had a more precise number what is the ideal number of seconds for a breath and where did it come from? So I'll have ever do this, and then I'll explain what's happening to your body's while you're doing that. So you can just calmly xl. Inhaled to account about five or six don't stress if you're a little off. So one, two, three, four, five, six. Two six to just do that on your own just very calmly don't don't push it. This is a competition. So some Italian researchers about twenty years ago they brought onto subjects into a lab and they had them recite the Maria and then they had them recite all money pod home, which is famous Buddhist Mantra and they noticed that both of these prayers locked into the same respiratory rate but five six breaths per minute five and a half seconds to inhale five and a half seconds to exile, and they noticed what happened to their bodies when. They were residing these prayers because when you're exhaling your vocalizing, then you have time to in hell very slowly is their bodies entered the state of what they called coherence everything was working at this peak efficiency. So oxygen increased in their brains circulation increase their heart rates, lowered blood pressure lowered, and their brain brainwaves, and this was the was found in later studies were able to enter this this state of synchrony where everything was was working at again at the state of coherence were everything could function more efficiently. So the second that these subjects stopped praying. Stop breathing this way it all went to hell. So spontaneously talking just like we're doing my heart rate variability probably not going to be very good you know blow to probably not going to be very good but you don't need to pray to do this. That's what they found out. You just need to breathe this rate. So about five or six seconds in five to six seconds out, and since then Dr Richard Brown at Columbia has used this for patients with anxiety depression and erects nine eleven survivors on and on and on because it allows you. To enter into that para sympathetic state where your body can naturally heal itself. So many of these populations are breathing too much. So it seems so simple that people probably like there's no way this is going to do anything get your pulse ox out, get your heart rate variability out, get your blood pressure monitor and take it before and after and see for yourself. So so many psychiatrists, psychologists and doctors are now using this very simple breathing method. You talked about the amount of time for it to go in the amount of time to go out. But? So. Many of the Yoga classes. So many of the techniques that I know of even with Wim Hof there's okay within hold breathe. For at least some of it is there an ideal hold time or? was going on there. Well. So this this guy to six seconds and I call it five point five, my book. So five point, five, six, five seconds out this five point five per minute liters of air. But then I've gotten so many e mails of people stressing out there half a second off and they're all worried about I'm like Oh God. So I'm just saying five to six seconds anywhere in the in that ballpark people it's fine. You're going to be okay. Don't be so anxious. So with other breathing exercises whether it be running avas or create Sudarshan Credo with half exercises. Can Be viewed as as almost way training for for breathing. Okay. So they have profound benefits. We should not be weight training all day every day, which is why we should not be whim hop breathing all day I'm talking to whim tomorrow about this and he would he could not agree with this more the bonkers I mean anyone who does that kind of stuff including Stan graph would tell you try your. Breathing all the time and see what happened is not good. No, it's. It's awful in some of these should only be done every couple of weeks or maybe holographic. Three hours of breathing with loud music now, and I don't know if you WANNA. Do that as we have of acid everyday you don't WanNa do that exact I mean for some people my my really dig that good luck with it and we know it's so so therapeutic these different things and that's what some people have written. It said well, Wim Hof said, breathe really hard and then you hold your breath of course that has benefits because it's a cute. I'm talking about habitual breathing right should be slower and lower and through the nose. But in the last third of the book I focused on this it's like, okay here's the foundation of healthy breathing at rest right so where else can breathing take us and I did Hala Tropic breathing did Sudarshan Korea that Wim Hof and so many of these different breeding techniques these more intensive I call them breathing plus techniques because they build on that founded foundation of healthy breathing. They're all doing the same thing. They have different names, but you're breathing really fast and then you're breathing really slow or you're holding your breath. So it's just like weight training with with these repetitions. So it's making you very alkaline that's making various. So your body can remain flexible so that you can willingly place yourself in a state of stress, which is what Wim Hof what does Sudarshan create does. Know this very well so home. So so you're putting yourself in a state of stress, but you were controlling with your breath and then anywhere controlling a a state of relaxation with your breath and you're allowing your body to recognize that you had these tools that you carry around with yourself all the time you can make yourself stress, but most importantly, you can make yourself relaxed. So I'm a huge fan of whims braiding cullet to mow caught Wim Hof method. Call it whatever I'm a huge Darshan Chrea I try to do the long version at least once a week I'm a huge fan of breath holding the all there. So many benefits to these things but but again is a difference between something a technique that you practice for short amount of time in how you breathe for for the rest of the day it the first time I met him, Hof. It was unexpected. I was holding the the biohacking conference. I do. Every year and Rick Rubin who's been on the show as well. Texted me and Dave I've got Wim Hof here and the audience can come up on stage. It was completely unplanned. It comes up there and he has me do is breathing technique. Okay. I'm hosting a three day event for thousands of people and he hasn't been doing this and I'm sitting there going Oh. Crap. This guy has me I'm going to start trip involves like I'm kinda seeing stuff around. The edges, which is what happens during hold tropic breathing and I've also done events was Dandruff and I've I have very profound experiences when I do that. So I'm sitting there going Oh, man, you know I have no idea it was going to happen but I got a function the rest of that very highest level and I love him he's been on the show because you know he's so passionate about it but I was going I wonder if I'm going to be Be for the rest of the day from the sports that we didn't do it too much and I did a whole bunch of push ups and you know it was it was a cool thing to be able to share with the crowd. But yeah, these are powerful and I can't imagine doing it all day. It would be ruinous and I've had a few people even who do. I'm like art of living exercises. They warn you don't do these for long periods of time each day you know it's a fifteen minute set of exercise in the morning because you become. Almost ungrounded if you do aggressive breathing exercises for long periods of time like you, you become odd for lack of a better word kind of smokes way too much pot or something. Well yeah to me. This seems so so obvious you're not gonNA sit around and do curls for sixteen hours a day you're going to destroy your body just because something is very good for you at a short amount of time doesn't mean it's going to be. Great for you if you do it all day and this is just such. The Western thought this is how we think about things. Well, I'm going to kick this this breeding practices s I'm going to do it twice as long. But breathing doesn't have to be like that and I think it's it's frustrating that people view this as a competition. How long do you hold your breath? Bro My breath for three minutes. Stop it do go go bring that competition somewhere else but but breathing should be something to nurture. Two centers and rebalance us and that's what it does in the more you recognize that and the more you start using this in your life think you're gonNA feel huge benefits. The great thing also is there's no side effects beyond feeling better. So there's nothing bad that's going to happen to you and into me I've seen people absolutely transformed by this I mean people who were in serious trouble series asthmatics, Emphysema copd they're no longer on inhalers they're no longer on oral steroids they're. Completely transformed and there's hundreds of these studies they're. They're not select things and makes sense to me. This is what happens when your body's imbalanced when it's able to do what it's naturally designed to do We've talked about people who are anxious that they're breathing the wrong number of times per minute. We've got people who are obsessed with you know I can hold my breath longer than you I. Think we invented a new term just now I'm GonNa name, it oxy wreck Zia. And it's kind of like. Like people were afraid that they're eating the wrong food even though it probably isn't perfect but it's okay. So we have people who are afraid of not breathing the right way and to your point what you've already said there's GonNa reiterate that. Be Thankful you're breathing at all so you can start there and then you can improve it by breathing through your nose. But if it's only four seconds, you'll probably live right and and just take that mindset with everything you do whether it's food whether it's reading whether it's exercise and all that stuff to to just bring that into your awareness as a as a listener of the show don't don't fall for all my God I took a breath through my mouth. I'm a bad person that's just bad programming. I completely agree with that. You know you see some people who are. So into wellness that they're miserable 'cause they have to adhere to so many things the point of having your body well, and healthy is to enjoy life. So if you're not enjoying life at the end of this wellness road, then then why do it and so much of this anxiety around? I'm not eating every single thing the perfect amount of food I'm, not, breathing, not. Right that damage any benefits you're getting to doing these things is going to be countered by the damage you're doing by being stressed out about it. So Ruth breathing with anything else chill out if you can't get to that six second inhale and xl two, four seconds in four seconds out and get to it eventually, the point is to relax yourself. Yeah that that kindness towards yourself a lovely. But that is there such a thing as fasting from breathing? Yeah. It's called breath holding and it's it's been around for thousands of years. One of the earliest definitions of Yama was trance induced by holding one's breath. So breath holding practices, we know there's innumerable benefits to it. You can. If you do it regularly, you can increase people which can increase your red blood cell count. You can increase an synthase You can increase I mean so many benefits, which is why it's been used in athletics for for decades and decades and mark my words very soon people are going to start to incorporate series breathing I. Mean it's already happening breathing breathing therapies. elite athletes have been using this for a while, but they're going to be doing it even if you're so. So so I think that the cessation of breathing breath holding whatever you WANNA. Call it It's all doing the same thing where it's increasing your flexibility. Respiratory Flexibility is a phrase I've used before, and we all know that flexibility is one of the most if not the most important thing to your to your health, you want your body to constantly be flexible so that when it's faced with the challenge, you can be flexible enough to overcome that challenge. If you think of what the body does to make energy, it's food plus air equals electrons. And you've talked about diabetes, which is basically you suck at turning food into electrons and almost no one is talking about that notion that error is the other side of the equation and if food is so important, why isn't air equally important and I have a new book called fast this way that's coming out in January and we just announced and it just went up for preorder and all that and it's funny I'd written a brief section of the book on well, even fasting. From error is important because I was talking about just the very basics breathing, and then I came across your book I'm like this is amazing. You actually talked briefly about fasting premiere as breath holding so I I love that mindset. But if briefly withholding food from yourself can have such a profound effect on your biology. Doesn't it followed that briefly withholding error from yourself could have the same impact on your biology just makes sense and based on your research it seemed like it does. Of, course because you're making your blood more sick, which makes it will which will make oxygen more easily, it can more easily disassociate from hemoglobin. So. Just, holding your breath like that increasing tolerance for Co two has some so many but we won't get into the laundry list of benefits for that. But if you look at populations of people with asthma anxiety, they can hold their breath optum for about three or four seconds and they go on. So. We know that increasing your threshold for Co two whether again whether or not you're a marathoner or your deep sea diver or or you're an asthmatic or someone with emphysema can have profound benefits. So this should all these different tools in the toolbox we used at different times. There's so much more stuff in your book. Where's the best place if people can connect with you? So I, think the best place to connect with me I'm trying to get better the social media thing is still pretty much suck out on Instagram at Mr James Nestor that's my handle across the board and my website at Mr. James Dot Com has breathing practices has all of the references has a whole bunch of interviews with experts just specifically about the benefits of healthy breath James. Thanks for your work in the world guys you need to read this book. It's so important. Have a beautiful day. Thanks writing this. Thank you very much there shaking. Bulletproof radio was created this hosted by Dave Aspirin the executive producer Darcy himes podcast Assistant Bev Hamson. PODCAST is for information purposes, only statements and views expressed on this podcast or not medical advice. This podcast including aspirin the producers disclaim responsibility for any possible adverse affects from the use of information contained herein. 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From the Vault: The Sacred Mountain, Part 1

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From the Vault: The Sacred Mountain, Part 1

"Hey folks if you need business, communications use vantage. They've got unified communications, contact centers and Communications Api's that'll figuratively blow your mind, but literally make your mind explode from sheer joy literally. But that's it. They're great at all those. Yeah. They're not so great at say discussing how black holes form or or getting into the complexity of invertebrate emotions for that kind of stuff. We're way better, so von for amazing business communications. Yes, stuff to blow your mind for answers to the UNIVERSES. Biggest questions von Vanek now we're talking. iheartradio in tribeca studios present fierce a podcast about the incredible women who never made it into our history books, and the modern women carrying on their legacies today. I'm your host Joe Piazza each week. We'll be introducing you to women like Chang Sow. She outclasses every other known pirate by every metric and modern counterpart. Tracy Edwards I wanted to navigate both month-old. Anyone can do she create my own project. Fierce debuts on May sixth listening subscribe to fierce on the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe. McCormack ended Saturday time to go into the vault. This is for an episode that published on April Twenty third, two, thousand nineteen. This was part one of our series on the Sacred Mountain. Ho Yeah, this is a really fun pair of episodes that we did because we get into of course various global. And folk traditions, concerning sacred high peaks places where heaven touch the earth, where the gods dwell and stranger entities may may linger as well places where you might go to on a quest to obtain some sort of rare substance to put in your potion that sort of thing, but then also we get into like. How does this match up with you know to? What extent might we explain these phenomena by looking at the way our bodies deal with a very high altitudes so it's a pretty fun exploration. This is part one. Let's dive in. Welcome software your mind. Production iheartradio has networks. Hey? To blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe, McCormick today. We are going to be discussing the Sacred Mountain. Of. Course, there's not just one sacred mountain. There are many sacred mountains in fact You know you're probably close to one right now because they're all over the world. We discussed this a little bit in a recent episode about pressure where we were talking about How how the atmosphere gets thinner of course as you go higher up in one of the things we started talking about was whether you know whether that might have anything to do. With the prevalence of sacred or holy mountains in religious and cultural beliefs all around the world. Because once you start looking for them. They're everywhere in every continent. Guess, maybe not so much Antarctica but. The continent you know they're. They're mountain top monasteries. There are mountains that are believed to be homes of the Gods there are mountains that are places of worship mountains that are places of sacrifice mountains that are believed to be forbidden, or you know otherwise magically barred. Yeah, and they. They really are in in just about every culture. So what we wanted to do in this pair of episodes, for stuff to blow. Your mind is to really get into the idea of the sacred mountain so this. This first episode is really going to be more about first of all. Why do we have these different feelings about mountains? Why do mountains invoke these different ideas and feelings the human mind, and then we're going to run through some notable examples of sacred mountains. I have to drill drive home that this will not be an exhaustive mention of every sacred mountain tradition. I'm sure we'RE GONNA. Leave off some very good ones, some very notable cultural examples. We just can't cover them all the try and cover. Enough of them to give you a nice grounding, and then of course, if you have a favorite sacred mountains that you visited or just read about you can write into us, and perhaps we'll share those future listener mail episode. In that second episode they were going to do about. Sacred Mountains is going to get more into the psychology and the neuroscience, and how and to what extent high altitude Conditions could contribute to this interpretation of the sacred and the Holy on mountain tops of mountains. That's right, and the we are going to look all over the world and various places today I think one place I wanted to start. With is the mountain. You might be less familiar with in Greek religion. No, yeah, because you're probably instantly thinking will Mount Olympus that's where the gods are or home of the Gods. That's where they're plot. All of their new theories, INS. But what about mount like hey, on home of the holy wear wool, for the not so the unholy where Wolf the sanctuary of Zeus, the birthplace of Zeus and the altar of blood sacrifice. Yeah, it invokes a number of different ideas. We're going to be discussing here, so we wanted to read just a little bit from Saint. Louis is a historian. He wrote description of Greece. In this is from the second century ce in this section eight. This is another one of those old tax. You can find info translated online The word is going to read a couple of paragraphs from it. Okay on the highest point of the mountain is a mound of earth, forming an altar of Zeus like hey us, and from it of the Peloponnesus can. Can Be. Seen before the altar on the east stand two pillars on which there were of old Gilded Eagles on this altar, they sacrifice in secret to like he and Zeus I was reluctant to pry into the details of the sacrifice. Let them be as they are, and were from the beginning on each side of the mountain. There is a sanctuary of Apollo. Surnamed Hacien-. They also give him the name Pit Theun. They hold every year a festival in honor of God and sacrifice in the marketplace of bore to Apollo Helper, and after the sacrifice here they at once carry the victim to the sanctuary of her Hacienda Paulo in procession to the music of the flute, cutting out the thigh-bones, they burn them, and also consume the meat the victim on the spot. So here we get a description of like sacrifices of a boar, though there have been rumors for A. A long time that human sacrifice was something that happened. You know that you would kill humans and offer them up to like he and Zeus on Mount Lake Aus, so we should at least situate this the mentioned that you could see the whole Peloponnese, but mountlake aon now it is a mountain in the region of Arcadia, which is long believed to be sort of the symbol or Paragon of beautiful unspoiled wilderness, and that's down in the Peloponnese. And Zeus like Aus is essentially Wolf. Zeus is yeah. It's like his his Wolf Power Ranger form all everything you expect from from Zeus King of the Gods, except also with with Lupine properties, and there are a lot of stories about sort of the history of this mountain, and the name like Mountlake Hey, on in some telling is said to be the birthplace or the home of Zeus, but also it's named for a king like hey, on of Arcadia who was? Was Of. Course in some myths, foolish enough to mess with the gods of the Greek Pantheon domestic, always a mistake. Yeah, so according to odds telling in the metamorphosis, the king tried to trick Zeus into eating human flesh, and Zeus retaliated by turning him into a wolf for turning him into a Werewolf and I. WanNa read. This part of the poem has told in of its metamorphosis has translated by Garth Dryden okay. Let's divide it Robert You. You do this for section here. This dire experiment he chose to prove if I were mortal or undoubted Jove, but first he had resolved to taste my power, not long before, but in a luckless our some leggate sent from the Malaysian state, were on a peaceful errand, come to treat of these he murders one he boils the flash, and lays the mangled morsels in a dish some part he roasted than serves it up, so dressed and bids knee welcome to this humane feast. Okay, so the King capture some dudes burns them, and then offers them up to Zeus like here. Try It. I presuming I think to trick Zeus and eating this human flesh. Zeus continues moved with disdain the table. I are turned, and with the avenging flames the palace burned the tyrant, a fright for altered gains, the neighbouring fields, and scours along the planes howling, he fled and fain he would have spoke, but human voice. His brutal tongue forsook about his lips, the gathered foam. And Breathing Slaughters still with rage he burns, but on the bleeding flock his fury turns his mantle now his hide with rugged hairs, cleaves to his back a famished face, he bears his arms descend his shoulder, slink away to multiply his legs for chase of primary. He grows a wolf. His Holiness remains in the same rage in other members rains. His is still sparkle in a narrower space. His jaws retain the grin and violence of his face. And according to some if I remember correctly, this is kind of the birth of the Werewolf Oh. Yeah, yeah, this is This is one of the earliest accounts you'll find. Of someone turning into a Lupine form I don't remember if we discussed this story. In the episode, we did about the I monster, about like the I where what was the origin of the beliefs in beings, embodying both human and animal forms mixed together. We might have mentioned this, but of course apart from this myth which I. Don't think this is a historical record in any case of where we'll transformation the the the despite the story of King like a on an all this, the mountain like an was in. You know without a doubt. A holy site in some versions of Greek religion since it was sort of the home birthplace of Zeus and it was also a place where blood sacrifices and burnt offerings, Zeus were brought, and it's long been known that animals were sacrificed and burned Zeus here but recently there's been some there's been some chilling discoveries. Archaeologists at the sanctuary of Zeus have been excavating a giant ancient mound of ash about one. One hundred feet, or about thirty meters wide, and that was the site of these animal sacrifices, mostly sheep and goats, beginning around the sixteenth century BC so going way back in two thousand sixteen, it was announced that they had found human remains hearing the they found the skeleton of adolescent male from what appears to be I think it's not positive, but it really looks like this was a human sacrifice from around the eleventh century BC. and of course this wouldn't be the only case where we know of human sacrifice likely taking place up on a mountain like I. I think about the you know going to the to South America, the. Or Jaka ride end in the late nineties. At some point, they discovered three Inca child mummies there that were up on the summit of the mountain is not known for sure what that is, but it appears to be a form of human sacrifice that was taking showing the religious significance of the mountain there too interesting, so I think this is a great example to start with here it embodies a number of different things here, pilgrimage just view mentioning just how much you can see from up there and the idea that this puts you a place to put you in in closer contact with the divine with the gods, but now I'd like to talk just a little bit about the importance of geography and a naturally occurring forms as metaphors. Yeah, We've talked about this bit on the show before, but you know you can find route branch tree river iconography all over the place. I I think back to our episode on the Trident as well which according to some theories was originally based on fig-leaf. Ancient people turn to natural forms as a way of thinking about the world and kind of externalizing thought. And you see that in in in every human tradition. So it should come as no surprise that speak to us as well after all a sacred mountain is just one part of an overall sacred geography I think that's important to note like ancient peoples. They wouldn't have thought like this is just land over here and that's lake. That's a river. Oh this mountain that places holy this the Gods love. The oceans the mountains, the Earth itself the rivers, all of that comes into play for when you're considering a sacred view of the world or off the universe. Yes, you know I kind of think though that We might be kind of unusual. As far as like people in history, go given that most of you know most of us in the people listening to this show, probably most of their exposure to religion is like to monotheism like Christianity. Judaism Islam which I would say as far as religions go have unusually low investments in geography and and the land, because if you go to ancient pagan, religions or indigenous religions of of Europe and Africa and Asia. And the Americas you find all kinds of like stories about how the land itself was created, and by like off the very common story is that the land features of the land were features of monsters that were slain by or the features of a body of a God that died long ago. Yeah, or they have particular connections to holy sites that are geographically unique in. For being unique I, mean I I. Guess Christianity Islam and Judaism have geographical locations that are wholly, but that's mainly four like what is believed to be their historical role. Right events that took place there. Structures that either were there are still there. Yeah, some form or another, and that's certainly a part of it is, we'll discuss, but their various other ways to to look at at sacred mountains and sacred geography, and why those places have you considered sacred? So just I think one important thing to keep in mind is something I that most of us can relate to, and that is just the idea of a mountain or an impressive photo of one will likely summon feelings of grandeur or intimidation adventure piece afterward, seclusion, wonder ore, indeed connection to the heavens. I mean this is why you see a posters and images and paintings of mountains I mean they are. They're beautiful to behold. And we traveled to the mountains, and then we stand neither atop the mountain, or certainly at a nice Vista and we take it all in and it it it summons feeling that someone's emotions, and takes us outside of ourselves, e o Wilson Talks about this a little bit when he's discussing the affiliate hypothesis, and I think this is in the context of him, generally talking about evolutionary explanations for our aesthetic preferences. Like why is it so often that pictures we find beautiful include vistas from a high point of view. Being able to look down over a landscape, and he offers some possible evolutionary explanations for that you know. Maybe this is like a more defendable point where you can see things coming towards you, but yeah, it's hard to deny that when I see a mountain, I don't know if everybody feels this way as much as I do. When I see a mountain I want to go up. It I've never done mountain climbing hiking and stuff but I do want to go up to the top of the highest point in look down. We'll see I think you and I are different in this regard. Talked before on on the show about how you have no problem like walking up the cliff right? I'm a little more reluctant to do that, but still of I see like crazy. Clifford P core or images of people mountain climbing I do put my imagined myself up there and often terrify myself with the prospect on. So I feel like that kind of mental transportation is inevitable. But a couple of other things about just how we think about mountains, a common trope in various mythologies, and we'll touch on some specific examples here in a bit are that the mountain or the mountain peak on some level connects earth to the sky so? Sky Pillar situation where the mountain is holding up the Cosmos Holding up the heavens, holding up the sky, or it is in some way, an umbilical or a ladder and. Or. The mountain itself serves as a you know an access. Monday, the Central Tent Pole of Sacred Cosmos a stairway to heaven. If you will. Well, that's really interesting. Because especially it pairs with older ways of thinking about the sky, you know it's not all that uncommon for ancient peoples to have conceived the sky as a place with solid ground that you could walk around in like a firmament, there's a dome over the earth and and so you might wonder what does something hold up the dome if they're solid ground up there that the gods can walk around in. In there must be something holding it up, and so you can imagine we'll. Maybe a mountain holds it up. That's the obvious answer in fact, yes, as you can see where this complex we've emerges of an attempt to understand. What is what your visit whether you're actually observing, what is the objective reality and then also these mythical ideas of like what does about that structure and and center and the importance of place in identity? There's also from a practical since the fact that the stand atop a great height is to gain a crucial vantage point. Yeah, in some cases that can be purely strategic. This is the Wilson thing. Yeah, he can see the movements of of her animals. You can see the movements of enemy troops, et Cetera, but I also wonder if it could be something a little more existential I wonder. If if such high it's could be considered possibly a capable of invoking something like the overview effect that proposed state of mind or A state of euphoric interconnectedness that ensues when one sees the planet. Earth from outer space. It's not quite the same. Certainly I'm wondering if perhaps that affect scales down to some extent, I can absolutely see that some astronauts report. They look out the window of the International Space, station or of their you know their vehicle, and they see the earth from space, and suddenly it just comes into sharp focus that that are petty squabbles are exactly that they're petty. You know then they vanish in the face of the fact that we're all trapped on this ball together. Together and and it makes human concerns looks small, and makes people feel a strong sense of sort of see the common interest of all humanity and the connectedness of all of our concerns, because the fate of the earth is the fate of all of us and yeah. I, can absolutely see that happening I. Mean so imagine you normally you live in a small village or a city. Where you are, you know you. You've got your day to day concerns. You're angry with your neighbor. You've got your politics that you're doing if you're like a priest or something. And then you go up on a mountain, and then you look down at the place where you come from the village or the city or the farms, and suddenly everything looks tiny. This basic shift in visual and optical perspective could very well trigger the same kind of mental shift. People experience when they go into space. Yeah, absolutely I was doing a little reading about about some of these ideas and Iran across the next one little paper by Edwin bomb titled in Sacred Mountains themes and teachings, and this is from Mountain Research, and Development Twenty Six and the author does a great job of just laying out some basics for instance lays out three basic ways that mountains are considered sacred. We can as I. Lay these out. You can certainly think two examples. We've discussed already and I think these will also be useful. In considering examples discussed in the rest of the PODCAST, so Birnbaum says first specific peaks are singled out as places of sanctity. They're supported by myths and practices, such as pilgrimages, meditation, and even sacrifice. Number two they may contain sacred sites or objects like temples or shrines, or even something more natural like spring. And number three the natural setting itself awakens a sense of wonder and all right. All three of these tend to work together. Birnbaum says on an individual's experience with the sacredness of mountain furthermore. Birnbaum defined Kim, themes frequently seen in sacred mountains, so they are roughly height center power. God or a guy? The Mountains God itself where it is the home of God's non as a place of worship, the mountain, Paradise or garden. is a place where the ancestors of the dead may reside a source of cultural identity, a source of healing, or or just a source of water, which makes sense because I mean. Goes Downhill exactly. And also as a place of renewal. So are again. Ten broad themes Birnbaum identifies in the identity and characterization of sacred mountains right well, we can look for these and examples of mountains that we talk about so maybe I'll offer up one example of a mountain to think about, and then maybe after that take a break and then look at some other. Okay, but this first one is one. I mentioned in the episode where we talked about pressure. Because I think it's a commonly cited example of a very important holy mountain that's holy in multiple religions, not just one. And this would be. The peak was its peak in the Himalayas known as Mount Kailash. Lhasa, and so this is a holy mountain in multiple religions in Hinduism. This mountain is believed to be the abode of Lord. Shiva the destroyer of evil and of his wife Parvathi who together sit in Meditation Summit of the mountain, and so the sight of Mount. Mount Kailash a destination of pilgrimage for many Hindus who climb fifteen thousand feet, or about four point six kilometers up this ascent path to the base of the mountain, but do not climb it summit. In fact, climbing the sacred summit is forbidden, and while we can't know for sure. It's often said that the summit has never been climbed by a human. Instead it's believed virtuous for pilgrims to walk in a circle around the base of the mountain, but not go up to the summit and this of course is not just a holy site for Hindus as I was saying, but it's also holy for Buddhists for Jane's and for people of the indigenous religion of Tibetan on his bone. Yes, a very ancient animist religion. Yeah, now if you look at what a picture of Mount Kailash looks like from below. I mean. I'd say obviously I. Already know this about it when I've seen pictures of it, but it's not hard to. See how person looking up at this peak would begin to think that something powerful and holy and forbidden resided. There does not look welcoming to ascent like it doesn't look easy to climb. And I think there's something powerful about that to see a place and think. I mean especially in today's Day and age to think Oh, wonder if people have ever been on that spot as a person ever stood there, and if the answer is even possibly no, there is something sacred about that like we've. We've pretty screwed everything else up, but that one peak is is pristine. You will not find a slim Jim Rapper there. Yeah and that does seem important. Right I mean part of the issue is. Anytime there's a mountain that people say has not been climbed. Obviously, people are gonNA WANNA climate, so I've been reading. There's political controversy over this. It's like I think there was one point I read a team of Spanish mountain, climbers who announced that they were going to climb the mountain, but it's a it's a holy site. You're not supposed to climb it even though I think the team. They were not Hindus the so they didn't share this belief. Belief about the religious forbidden this of the mountaintop, but the government authorities prevented them from climbing the mountain i. think just because they wanted to avoid this. Leading to unrest or just I, guess being seen as an insult to people who believe that the mountain should not be climbed I mean I. Do tend to wonder if people just started climbing a mountain like this all the time. Would it kind of break the spell of this story? Would it make people? Would it make the mountain seem less holy? I don't know that's something to consider, and after we come back from this next break. We're going to take that consideration into specific examples. 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Mountain one that serves as a world access in Hindu. Jane Buddhist cosmology for instance in Tibetan mandanas. These really complex and important works of art that are. All about conveying visually conveying complex. Theological ideas. You'll see mountaineer ru sometimes situated as the center of the surrounded by seven oceans, seven concentric mountain ranges, and beyond these ranges another ocean islands. It's it's all an unreal GE- geography, and in that very sacred and symbolic geography, spatial representation of a rich and complex cosmetology. A in a similar frame of mind, this is one. That's this completely fictional. It's not a part of any buddies, mythology, but if you're familiar with the Dante's divine comedy. We, of course have the three books right we. We begin with the inferno with eventually in book three. Wind up in paradise, but to get there. Dante and Virgil have to scale the mount of Purgatorio. The earthly purgatory so this is a mountain that is. That extends from Earth to the Threshold of Heaven and at the very top of the mountain at the very peak. That's where the earthly paradise is located, the Eden of of the Old Testament and Christian traditions. Okay, so this does. This makes more sense also, if you know something about like Medieval, Catholic theology right, which which had this belief in the idea of purgatory where it wasn't hell, you know you weren't condemned there forever, but you were basically good. Christian, but you did some sins that were not atoned for in. So you have to go to purgatory before you can get to heaven right, so you spend some time there in. You know. It's not hell, but it's not nice. It's not pleasant. and. You're stuck there until you essentially serve out your sentence, your purified of your sin, and then you can be admitted into heaven, right? It is a literary symbolic representation of penitent Christian life. Again no one holds that the amount of purgatory is a real place. It Very Much A. Part of literature here. But does service kind of a nice example of some of the same ideas of of mythological holy mountain, well one thing I do like about the idea of of Holy Mountains including purgatory, actually the amount of purgatory is that they do seem like an indication of older versions of religion that were more that could be situated on earth, because the lots of parts of earth. We didn't know about right. You know so like. Could say well. Yes, you can enter hell through a cave here and you go down then you can go up the mountain of purgatory, and that's over here, and that would be okay because you know. There's lots of the earth that he didn't know what was there. You could just assume it's somewhere undiscovered. Yeah! Now they're of course, plenty of actual mountains that are considered sacred, either by association with a Mythical World Mountain you see that from time to time where there's a mythological mountain in. Nearby mountain becomes associated with the same ideas through traditions, and then if we if we as we have explored in past episodes, there's also the added dimensions. Various Pyramids ziggurats that have been constructed as sort of artificial mountain, allowing the people who built them to participate in Mountain Top sacred rites and observances in some cases in regions where such peaks are are not readily available well. Yeah, and just like in the case. Say like in Mount Kailash where it is believed. Believed that Lord Shiva and part of our dwell on top of the mountain. The Ziggurat I think is interpreted by many modern scholars to have been thought to be a home of the gods by the people who use them so like. Maybe the priests would go up there and do some kind of right, but it was also believed that the God would come down and like sleep. The night on the top of the Ziggurat may made even live there for some period. Absolutely and another quick thing I want to mention in looking at various mountainous I noticed that you know primordial beings for mountains out of the soil, or as we mentioned earlier, they their bodies, or the bodies of. Loved ones become the mountains and you know. It's it's easy to sort of take the formation of mountains for granted with even just sort of. You know a casual. Understanding, say tectonics and so forth daily basically. A surface level understanding of geology, but imagine trying to understand what mountain was. If you really had no idea about any of these things I mean unless you. Were witnessed to volcanic eruption are there there are. Mountain formation processes that are going to be readily observable, and so it makes as much sense of anything to turn to some of these these these these purely mythological and cosmic explanations for why they're there well, you can get even weirder with it. I mean one of my favorite examples is the coolest place I've ever been the Mount Stephen Trial by beds up in Britain Mount, Stephen, British Columbia which is part of the Burgess Shale formation that I went to a couple of years ago and so you try to imagine that not having a any kind of scientific understanding you go. Go up a mountain, and then up near the top, there's just like a cliff where pieces of of Rocker shearing off, and got the imprint of strange undersea monsters on them, and it's like you. You'd have no idea of figuring out how so this once was sedimentary rock at the bottom of an ocean, and it has been pushed up and made into a mountain over hundreds of millions of years. Yeah, even knowing the geologic geological processes in in in place here it's still amazing to behold, and well beyond the scope of a human lifetime, and and really sort of natural human perception absolutely. So Ran Through some more examples here, holy mounds it. Kinda give nice overview of some of these different different ideas. I was reading about the Hey Bonday the Navajo creation myth complete with the creation recreation of the sacred mountains across five worlds, so that involves the idea that four other worlds proceeded the one that we live in now, and this is an idea that POPs up various Mesoamerican in native American religions and For the Aztecs Kawata Apac served as the mythical sacred mountain the serpent. In their mythical homeland ascalon, and according to Nicoletta mastery on thought Co. the Great Temple of Tanakh knocked. Dhillon is thought to be a replica of this holy mountain, so another example of recreating the Holy Mountain, an artificial holy mountain created. In the likeness of mythological form. In norse mythology, human bureau is the mountain where the by Frost Connects Asgard and mid guard, and this is home of the God him doll, and then there's also perhaps the less famous nearby org, and this is the hiding place of the mead of poetry. Oh, yeah. Mount Fuji is important in Japanese culture, it represents according to Birnbaum quote quest for beauty and simplicity that lies at the heart of Japanese culture, and I think yeah Mount Fuji is is one of these examples that like it's. It's a cultural put part of its cultural pride, like it is a part of the natural geography that people can take pride in and find a sense of identity in one thing I think every time I see an image of Mount Fuji Is. It just looks very visually. Perfect is very like gracefully. sloped symmetrical only can only get a work of art. Yeah, exactly. If you go to Tanzania. You'll find Mount Kilimanjaro and some of the that the. CIA people of that region, their myths and beliefs about the dorm volcano hold that it contains gateways to the spirit world. In Chinese mythology, though there are a few different holy mountains of note, one is mount, Buju or Boozer Sean and its associated with the the premier mountains in Central Asia and it's one of the skype pillars up the heavens, and again this is the mountain trope found in various cultures There's a a myth in which was damaged by the water God Gong Gong in his battle for supremacy against the Yellow Emperor, and then after the Olympic victory, the goddess newel had to repair the damage. But in Chinese myth the the Kunlun is perhaps the most important as described in the excellent handbook of Chinese mythology gang on Turner, it is not only a key pillar of the sky, but also an abode of Gods, and immortals, and there are really a lot of descriptions of it and its various films, magical trees, magical animals. It's really an entire sacred ecology, unto itself, and if there's a particular magical plant, magical item or sacred water that you wish to obtain. Then coon is the place you'll find it Scott. It all. Yeah, it's it's everything it includes. It holds for instance, the sweet spring and Emerald Lake the parole tree, the tree, the tree of immortality Cinnabar River, which prevents death if you drink it. The Week River where nothing floats. So it has it has all the magical items in just scaling it. Scaling to the appropriate terrace on the mountain, according to some traditions. Means that you can take on divine powers yourself over natural forces, perhaps acquire immortality, or even take on spirit status. Yourself again provided. You know where to climb, and you can survive the dangers. Various important mythic events are sometimes set on the mountain, including the goddess new ause marriage to her brother and the subsequent population of the world so again that's just a this just a few examples there so many other sacred mountains that we didn't either didn't have time to include or just didn't have time to research, but again if we left one out that you're particularly fond of. Of or you've visited yourself certainly right into us well, and these I would point out are just the sacred mountains that have accumulated like myths with staying power liars, because I would say, there are a number of now pretty well observed phenomena that would under normal circumstances be creating new sacred mountain myths all the time, and maybe we should explore that when we come back from a break. Hey I'm andy. If you don't me, it's probably because I'm not famous, but I did start amends. Grooming company called Harry's. The idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience. 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About Mountains and sacred mountains, but Let's get into some more recent accounts that shed light on some of the things that are happening when humans go to great heights all right so I want to talk about an English mountaineer named Frank Smythe who was famous and accomplished as a climber in his day, and in nineteen, thirty three, he attempted to reach the summit of Mount Everest, and if he had been successful, he would have been the first person in history to do it. It, but he failed, he fell short by only about three hundred meters or a thousand feet, which I'm sure is very frustrating. When you know you're that close, and you can see it, and you can't make it up, but of course once you hit those kind of altitudes. You're facing a lot of problems in number one. He would have been climbing without a oxygen assistance yet. This is something that climbers today, obviously benefit from but. Smith described in a first hand account after this experience. Of set of things that he saw and felt while he was alone on this climb, so I just wanted to read. If you sections from a from a piece, that Smythe road called Mirages at twenty eight thousand feet, smyth quote during my solitary climb to curious phenomena were experienced. It is with great diffidence that I described them, and then only at Rutledge is the the expedition. Expedition leaders request. I prefer to draw no inferences from them in merely to describe them the I was one that is by no means unique, and has been experienced in the past by solitary wanderers now not only in mountains, but on desert wastes an polar regions. All the time that I was climbing alone I had a strong feeling that I was accompanied by a second person. This feeling was so strong that it completely eliminated all loneliness I might otherwise have felt it even seemed that I was tied to my companion by a rope, and that if I slipped, he would hold me I remember constantly glancing back over my shoulder, and once, when after reaching my highest point I stopped to try and eat some mint cake, I carefully divided it and turned around with one half in my hand. It was almost a shock to find no one to whom to give it. It seemed to me that this presence was strong. And Friendly One and it was not until camp. Six was cited the link connecting me as it seemed at the time to the beyond was snapped, and all those Shipton in the camp were but a few yards away, I suddenly felt alone. The second non may or may not have been an optical illusion personally. I am convinced that it was not I was still some two hundred feet above camp, six and a considerable distance horizontally from it win, chancing to glance in the direction of the North Ridge I saw two curious looking objects floating in the sky, they strongly resembled kite balloons in shape, but one possessed what appeared to? To be squat underdeveloped wings, and the other of a trooper in suggestive of a beak, they hovered motionless, but seems slowly to pull eight pulls ation incidentally much slower than my own heartbeats, which is of interest supposing that it was optical illusion, the two objects were very dark in color, and we're silhouetted sharply against the sky, or possibly a background of clouds, so interested was I that I stopped to observe them. My brain appear to be working normally, and I deliberately put myself through a series of tests. First of all I glanced away. The objects did not follow my vision, but they were still there when I looked back again. Then I looked away again. And this time identified by name, a number of peaks valleys in glaciers by way of mental tests, but when I look back again, the optics still confronted me at this. I gave them up as a bad job, but just as I was starting to move again amiss, suddenly drifted across gradually disappeared behind it, and when a minute or two later drifted exposing the whole of the North Ridge once more, they had vanished mysteriously as they came. Strange experiences when climbing Everest alone now this third Man Syndrome in particular is not at all unique to spy. As he points out in fact, reports like this come for many people in lonely struggles for survival seems to be at risk There were reports from the Ernest Shackleton Expedition through an Article Nineteen sixteen that they often believe there to be another companion among them. Yes, there was one piece in the British Medical Journal in two thousand, eight where a doctor. Doctor and so much more recent where a doctor and mountain climber named Jeremy. Windsor described his own firsthand experiences of this kind when he was climbing mount. Everest he wrote quote I I met Jimmy on the balcony. A cold windswept snow shelf high up on the Southeast Ridge of Mount. Everest, at an altitude of more than eight thousand two hundred meters are introduction, had been briefed with little more than a muffled hello, and a few words of encouragement passing between us. US over my right shoulder, obscured by the bulky oxygen mask, and the rim of down that smothered my face I was sure I could see Jimmy moving lightly in the darkness, but despite him remaining close by me for the rest of the day I didn't see him again at the time hadn't worried me. Instead I was warmed by the thought of human. Company and to breathless to question what seemed so real. If the truth be told in, my thoughts were really nothing. Nothing more than brief flickers of images or sounds that vanished with the onset of each new breath so once again, a mysterious other accompanying someone as they scaled great heights, yeah, and so in the middle of this I was actually reading an NPR article about this phenomenon, that reminded me of a haunting passage in the fifth section of t s Eliot the waste land. That's the section entitled what the Thunder said, which is an idea taken from the Yukon shots? But of course that already implies the idea of like hearing voices coming from something other than people hearing voices in the thunder. But it mentioned something like this other companion, or what's known as Third Man Syndrome or third man factor. I went back and reread this section of the poem, and it was really interesting. Given what we're discussing here. It's talking about a journey through the mountains I'm not sure exactly who's making this journey. In the context of the poem may be kind of disembodied. It might be implied that this journey is part of the search for the Holy Grail, which is a part of that poem, but but I could be wrong about that, and it's got this idea of the experience of an unseen third companion, so Elliott writes. Here is no water, but. But, only rock rock, and no water in the sandy road, the road winding above among the mountains, which are mountains of rock without water. If there were water, we should stop and drink amongst the rock. One cannot stop think sweat as dry and feed her in the sand. If there were only water amongst the Rock, dead mountain mouth of curious teeth that cannot spit here one can neither stand nor lionore sit. There is not even silence in the mountains, but dry sterile thunder without rain. There is not even solitude in the mountains but read. Read sullen faces sneer, and snarl from doors of mud, cracked houses, and then a little bit further down Elliott says who is the third who walks always beside you when I count, there were only you and I together, but when I look ahead up at the white road, there is always another one walking beside you. Gliding wrapped in a brown mantle hooded. I do not know whether a man or woman, but who is that on the other side of you know of course Elliott is writing before some I think this is in. In the early nineteen twenties, so Elliott's writing before Smyth's account is published or any of that, so this is a phenomenon that had already been observed seems to be especially common among mountain climbers, and it's not the only strange perceptual anomaly that's often reported by mountain. Climbers think also of SMYTH's second phenomenon where he witnesses what you're reading about. Robert, this strange floating balloon creatures that there were just up there over the peak, and so it's extremely common for mountain climbers to reports, strange experiences, perceptions, mystical encounters in the pursuit of high mountain. And obviously given these modern accounts. It's not hard at all to to imagine that they may have. If something similar was going on in the ancient world, they may have played some role in the formation of religious beliefs about mountains. Absolutely I think it's a it's very fascinating to think about, and of course we don't want to fall into the trap of of saying that all supernatural ideas about the mountains can be attributed to whatever's going on with Manson trump right, but. You can certainly imagine how in some cases it might help to produce ideas and myths, concerning into dis in God's in the mountains or strengthen those examples extinct in those traditions that are already set in place well. Yeah, looking back to Birnbaum bombs themes that are often seen with sacred mountains. Of course, there's the idea that that mountains are often God's the home of God's or the body of God's might be a place to worship the gods, but also like a couple of things he mentions are the idea of like ancestors or the dead, or might have something to do with mountains, and you can clearly see how a hallucinated. hallucinated third person or second person or companion on a journey could be interpreted as an ancestor often when people when people hallucinate presences helping them, they are interpreted to be ancestors, and also the idea of mountains being a place of pilgrimage. You're making this journey. Someone could be there with you to make the pilgrimage all right on that note. We're going to close out this episode, but we are going to pick right back up in the next episode of stuff to blow your mind. 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"Hello fresh. Oh my gosh and I found you finally have been seeking the interwebs everywhere I've been I've been hiding out but you got me caught me folks. I realized Last time I did a dumb dumb thing and everyone got real upset with Eba for the editing and what really happened is that I recorded apparently from the microphone in my laptop rather than the Super Fancy Nice microphone directly in front of my face. So I've holiday is audio was off. That's my bad and hopefully this is a little better your audio no what I call that. Audie audio now is exactly what we like to call it. And it's what I did so hopefully this is better. I also I know everyone's really like pissed about our new whale. Sounds right. That was super funny and I love how to a lot of people think we're really dumb and they were like. How do you not hear that guys? You need to listen like there's these weird sounds and I'm like I don't hear anything. People people still on like my instagram lives have been like. 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Oh I've never heard of this and now I don't know I haven't heard of it. So this is the mystical Mount Shasta. What what is that so much? Also is apparently in northern California. Oh it's a mountain it's in Siskiyou county okay. And it's a dormant volcano isn't Shasta like a soda. Yes Shasta Cola okay. I don't know nothing to do with okay. Just curious. I don't either but it would be fun to take a picnic on Mount Shasta Drinking Shasta you know. I think that's something super that we waste a lot of time and energy doing and be very proud of yes slash will do slash. We'll be doing yes so Mount Shasta is a dormant volcano. It's one of the highest mountains. I think it's the fifth highest mountain in California It has seven glaciers. It's one of the largest peaks in North America. And it's almost fifteen thousand feet tall. It is Let's see. Oh geologists say that if it were to erupt again because apparently it. There's a chance that it will erupt again and if it were to it is so massive and the eruption would be so bad that it would be a worse volcanic eruption than Mount Saint. Helen's uh-huh hoops so it is a recognized as a native American cultural and cosmological property on the National Register of historic places and the artifacts that have been found there suggests that at least eleven thousand years of human habitation have been there. Oh my God and like that's a conservative number. Some numbers say it goes back to like five thousand BC Holy Shit and so well. I don't think that's actually farther away. I think eleven eleven thousand is a bigger number so I'm not going to question your Matt. Listen humans have been there for a long. Goddamn on or at least creatures have been there for a long time which I will get into so that actually makes it. One of the longest occupied areas on the continent and the mountain is sacred to a lot of nearby indigenous tribes on. I think there's about six of them. there was the wind to tribe the asu. Wigan tribe the Shamali tribe the Climax Klamath tribe and the Shasta tribe and the more doc tribe. So there's a lot of nearby tribes. I think that all their territories Kinda criss cross on this mountain And so they all still have their own personal ceremonies and rituals that they perform there and a lot of them believe that Mount Shasta is actually the center of the universe in is the home of our Creator Oh so there's a creature creature. There's a spirit named schedule like skull with an E. Apparently in a lot of these tribes I don't know if this is all of those tribes beliefs or some of them but amongst those tribes there is a spirit named scale who is the spirit of the above world or the heavens and Scall- came down to Earth one day and created Mount Shasta as like a stepping stone to get down from heaven. So like like stepladder. We used letter and Once once scale got here Scalp made the entire world's like made the trees made. The animals made the made the rivers while skull was down here. A scale ended up having a fight with a spirit named I think Leo who is the spirit of the below world. So they like the skirts above and below came to Earth to have this big fight and So the spirit of the below world lived on Mama so I guess the the spirit on Mount Shasta and the spirit I'm out Maza Romo's Alma were fighting and they were throwing hot rocks and lava at each other and that kind of represents the volcanic eruptions that have happened on both mountains. They say that those Those eruptions came from these spirits fighting with each other and the eruption on Mount Moslem. Ah I'm saying Maza. That might be wrong. But so the eruption that happened on the mountain that the spirit of the underworld came from that eruption created crater lake. Okay got it so I bring the small I I bring this all up to say that A lot of these tribes think of Crater Lake and Mount Shasta which talking about Think of them as I. Kinda polar opposites. Mount Shasta is seen as like this hub of like blessings and life force in the beginning of creation and a lot of them. Think that crater lake is actually like a hub for evil. And that being said I did look up crater lake and I'll have to do a story in the future because there's apparently a lot of dark paranormal activity. That happens there. So it kind of validates. What a lot of these tribes said about Crater Lake being potentially evil I I bring that up to say that. Mount- shots it is because it's the home of the Creator according to this This lore is that one. It's one of the seven most sacred mountains in the world Mount Fuji is at Sister Sacred Mountain. Fun Fact unpack and it's One of the seven most sacred. It has a focal point for energy vortexes. And the reason it's one of the seven most sacred mountains is because like the seven shockers of the body. Apparently the earth also has seven chocolate which I did not know I didn't either. So apparently these seven shockers of earth are all different locations on earth that are like the most energy powerful spaces that you can go to So the most important shock right if you're looking at a list of all of them. The first shock apparently is called the root Chakra which is arguably the most important. Because it's the first one that like grounds you in where you are and creates like balancing strengthen safety and all that. So if he if the route shocker is off kilter than like up. Allegedly the rest of us all fucked up. So I'm thinking my my route. Shocker is probably like broken in somewhere else probably lost. I'd never even had it so so fun. Fact Mount Shasta in the on Earth's out of earth seven shockers. Mount Shasta is the root Chakra. So Oh really the most important of these. So the route shocker in a human is at the base of the spine again. 'cause it grounds us in bounces right. And so that means that. Since it's the root shocker of earth it is the base of Earth's energy it regulates universal life it keeps balanced some good and evil and It makes sense since it's the base because some tribes say that it is like the center of the universe so everything would come from this to begin with okay so fun fact In case people are wondering what the other routes are the first one like I said as Mount Shasta the second one which a human is the belly button below the belly button on earth. That is late today. Kakai in South America Oh The third one which is usually above the belly button or like the solar plexus. That is the old goods in Australia. The fourth one which is The heart and human is Glastonbury. Chaffetz Berry in England which ones Burbank. That's that's the sixty ninth one Sorry my brain just wants to finding number twenty then. I was like this. It's too much. This is too much you told all the adults. You don't all the parents to listen to this. So listen to calm trump irving sixty ninth shock of Earth L. The fifth shocker. A human is the throat but on earth. It's the Great Pyramid. Ak your favorite probably. So I'm sure he would love to go visit. Lebanon the throat Chakra of I would and then the sixth one is like this your third eye or like the base of your nose right And that is cutty. Malik CY and Iran. Okay wait not the base rate not like above your nose right like between your I think it's like Between your is like kind of a bug that's why I was and then the final in seventh one is On a human. It's the top of your head but on earth. It is Mount Kailash in Tibet. Wow I had no idea about this. If he wants to go to any of those seven they are in theory Based on I guess like Shaqra Knowledge like shock studies right. These are the seven Powerful places on earth because it's where all the energy vortexes align. That's so cool which brings I would argue. It's an interesting question that if those seven places are like doing the best starlike functioning the best economically and all that stuff I wonder if like the rest of the world would kind of align to. It'd be interesting to think like the seven. Shockers of those spaces are oh I see. You're saying yeah I yeah. I don't know it would be interesting. We'll never know but it's a thought well we can do that. After we go drink Shasta Shasta Mountain. We CAN AMOUNT SHASTA. We can just go a line on. Yeah we can go line. Seven fix the economy at all those seven landmarks. I don't think it'll be hard at first. The Great Pyramid the throat right of course invest so many. Say that Mount Shasta. I've said this before but just to recap it's full of Texas portals in is known to assist people in spiritual transcendence and what's interesting about this is usually when I talk about places that have Some sort of energy condensed in that space it talks about like mindful our consciousness transcendence but with Mount Shasta. Not only a spiritual place but it's also known for potential inter dimensional travel. Oh okay now. I'm very interested. So hence the Energy Vortexes. There's also a lot of in theory inter dimensional portals. That will take you a different locations or two different realm now. So it'll be it'll be easy for us to get to all of them. Yeah you don't even point just hop hop hop got it so through all this. Obviously it's also known as a paranormal hotspot Just because a lot of people go there to meditate a lot of people who are Super Open minded believers in the supernatural come here and nineteen seventy-one at even became a Buddhist monastery. There's one called Shasta Abbey on the mountain or at least nearby. The mountain and in nineteen eighty seven. There was an event. There called the harmonic convergence And it actually put Mount Shasta on the map as one of the modern newbridge destinations. Because apparently already had it's like spiritual reputation but after that event so many people came that it was for a little bit at the end of the eighties considered a new age Mecca. And it's still kind of that reputation in some places that it is. I guess the harmonic convergence that one big event itself was deemed by some reporters as the spiritual woodstock. Oh that's fun so a lot of people come here specifically for mindfulness or whatever reason they're there but that also means that there are a lot of fringe religious groups who liked to gather their AKA colts. So there's a a lot of people there who maybe I don't agree with since early. I don't know what the PC way of saying. But a lot of them think that I mean I think I don't agree with is a pretty pretty Careful way to say thank you. I'm trying to be careful for all we know someone lives near Mount Shasta like knows people in these groups so so a lot of people seem to think that maybe they can ascend towards enlightenment and like they can like travel through different dimensions portals and they are a superior race. If you catch my drift. Oh my yeah so Renaghan to it. So some Actually now capitalize on the spiritual nature of Mount Shasta obviously The second that white people heard about it. I'm sure that's just became a massive tourist destination. they now run vortex tours and there's a lot of retreats there although. I have looked online. A lot of those retreats retreats are apparently like a lot of bunk. Apparently all pay like hundreds of dollars very expensive super expensive. Because you're told like we're going to go on this tour where you're going to see another portal and then it's literally like a meditation crouches and like it's again kind of is part of the definition of a fringe belief. Where like if you pay all this money and they put you in this meditation class in you. Don't see the portal. It's because you didn't care enough are you are passionate enough so okay. That's like the ideal way it's just like a cop out like the ultimate cop-out. Oh you're just not good enough at it exactly. You don't care enough exactly so Let Me Think. Let me see so again. I don't. I don't think I have to say this. But I'm sure all of these like weird tours and meditation and transcendence retreats are against the indigenous. Peoples wishes Some tribes actually believed that Mount Shasta is thought to be too powerful for ordinary people to visit in very powerful spirits. Live there and so if you go there unprepared for that Especially as just random tourists than you might get yourself some trouble with people or creatures that live up there that you shouldn't know about or interact with us and sure enough by now. Shasta was described once at N. A. And someone's like review like back in the early nineteen hundreds as a religious indigenous icon and quickly became what of California's must sort must see tourist destinations. So we've shitty white people found so Sense the One Thousand Nine Hundred. A lot of people have gone there Whether they're practitioners like maybe they believe in some sort of a culture are WICCA. I know a lot of people from those worlds go there and believers in the spirit and the supernatural in general go there approximately saw on one website. That twenty six thousand visitors go a year. Now wow and now. I'm going to explain why it's so powerful or why. It's so interesting all the things about it. So we'll now I feel like a Dick for saying we're going to go drink soda there. I think that's the kindest most tame thing we could do there compared to the other bullshit. Okay I won't touch anything. I just sit and observe. How did I tell you? I'll tell you all of this like all those things that other people are doing. And then you'll be like yeah. We should go and only drink soda. Live will be like we'll be bouncers we want anyone else in. Yeah we'll we'll throw our soda cans at them and then recycle them. I was GONNA say yeah but not litter. I promise but our winter we are probably going to be the the least threatening people. They're rare we're usually the most threatening people anywhere we go at least emotionally we match us is extremely powerful. It's or it's at least claim to have extremely powerful energy board Vortexes that happened to also criss cross with layline how which is what makes it super duper powerful with energy vortexes. Because it's the two of them criss cross right The the energy here is said to quote Revitalize the spirit enabled deep meditation caused vision. Quests allow spiritual guidance allow inter dimensional and or metaphysical travel enhance one's ability to astral project and to channel spirits. Wow Okay so obviously with all of us being. Kinda like hippy dippy Granola I understand the the intrigue of wanting to go appeal right So they're reports of some people even being drawn to the mountain by some unexplained force and when they get there they don't even really know why they came to begin with Oh Many people also believe that Mount Shasta water has great healing properties and there have been reports of fairies and Nymphs when they have been near water. When people have been your water people also reported orbs metal crafts touching down onto the mountain. People have experienced dancing lights. Some people have said they've seen Griffin's cool day gas birds And they've seen some bigfoot so we're GONNA get into all of that but people have also reported a reversal of gravity. There's something wrong with the the magnetic fields there because your car will go uphill by itself and some areas. Oh people believe that the energy supply there is actually not just known on Earth. But it's actually been heard of and other galaxies and has become the base for some extraterrestrials when they land on Earth they will go there first for energy supply. Oh my God. People think that it's again a portal to other dimensions and it's connected to lay lines. That are as strong and similar to Stonehenge to some people. Also believe because of all these conspiracies that there are top secret military installations that operate there. And that's why it's so hush hushing you're not allowed to go there People say he can't really go there but then people go right and many crafted. Some of the creatures that live up there are lizard people which I think. We talked about a couple of weeks ago. Yeah about how? Some delays wizard Reptilian people live under the ground built. The city is all that there's also giants called shoop chats which apparently live in all of the tunnels that were made by Laba during the last eruption. Oh Wow apparently there's creatures named Yuck Teigen's who use sound waves to manipulate reality by God and there's some Some indigenous tribes there also believe in a race of little people that are known to specifically guard Mount Shasta and they can become invisible at will okay so just laid. Their whole job is just to guard the slopes of the mountain and they can just either become invisible and reappear will or they can just vanish teleport at will so all right interesting. The crypt is there Especially the bigfoot. It's a subspecies of bigfoot. That is hyper intelligent. Can also turn invisible at will and is known to some tribes as the Mata Got Mata Cog me Takagi. They're eight to ten feet tall coarse hair. Brown eyes smell really bad and They're just a couple of counts of bigfoot. That I'll tell you about but there's one woman who saw a female of Mata Cog me give birth. Oh and another time which must have been terrifying to watch it. Yeah and a One of them has also approached two men that were camping and he gave them a crystal the The gave the men against Kita showed up and gave glue. I K- What's interesting about this subspecies of bigfoot. I don't know if this is universally understood. Or if it's just the ones that happened to live on Mount Shasta but a lot of the bigfoot sightings in the Mount Shasta area happened to I guess make bigfoot look like he is he associated with aliens so a. Oh the big foot's in this area I guess in other areas. Usually you just see something. Looks like bigfoot walking through the forest and then you never see it again or do you see a footprint or sometimes you hear a sign but at Mount Shasta specifically people will see these big big foot big feet So I was waiting for you to to test it out test out. The big people are plural big and they materialize out of thin air. Before your eyes they have been known to fade away. Before your eyes. They have been known to levitated. Oh Gee they have been seen passing through solid objects and they are often known to interact with spacecraft. Damn so a lot of people have said that the big foot that live here like will like like walk onto. Ufo's like it's like a whole other level of his walk walk right on. The Mount Shasta is also home to quote ascended masters which is where we get into some of the fringe beliefs. Here right are so ascended. Masters are people who think they are or believe they are enlightened and have been like I guess granted access to the know how on how to transcend into the fifth dimension of Sharia. So you right so. They think that they are kind of a superhuman of sorts and so the real first time that people heard of ascended masters was in. Nineteen thirty. And I'M GONNA take a little bit real quick to tell you a story about this guy named guy and And His name's Guy Ballard. Apparently some people see him as the father of the modern new age movements. I'm kind of skeptical to say that because he ends up creating One of the first new age movements are one of the first new age organizations. That doesn't really sound like something I would join. But he is apparently known as one of the first people to be involved in the new age movement so got it in nineteen thirty. He went hiking on Mount Shasta and he ran into a man thought. It was another hiker but then he quickly realized that this man was no ordinary person and as he thought that the man smiled as if he telepathically new. That's what move but guy said and then the man said to him telepathically again. He saying the stuff in his mind. Now so guys hearing the Senate side right. Here's my brother. If you hand me Your Cup I will give you a much more refreshing drink than spring water. Drink this and it's Shasta just a COA and this has been a long advertisement. Promo code drink instantly. His Cup was filled with a creamy liquid. Which I don't know how I feel about that phrase. Yuck Guy Drank it. And he said that he felt an electrical vilifying effect on his mind and body. Okay the man says to him that which you drink comes from the universal supply which exists everywhere about us. It is subject to our and this is a quote by the way. This is a quote from guys. Actual book called unveiled mysteries and this ended up being kind of like the Bible of his organization. He created and camp So this is a quote from the man that which you drank came directly from the universal supply which exists everywhere about us. It is subject to our conscious control and direction. It is willingly obedient when we love enough because the universe obeys love. Okay okay whatsoever. I desire will manifest itself when I commanded in love if I were if I wish to use gold. Gold is here and then I guess as he said that all of a sudden gold just appeared in the skies hand. Oh and several. He's basically saying if you learn to love unconditionally than you can manifest anything. What it okay so It'd be a great like PR person for this new age or whatever you get him saying it up for rolling my eyes. I love steak unconditionally and it does not show up in my Goddamn Hill. Thank you just not trying hard enough. That's exactly I didn't spend enough money. So yeah I told you. Sign up on patriotic and finally get all that your heart desires can manifest a bunch of steak and shot. Here's where it gets extra bananas so the Guy Says Watch me closely and I will reveal myself to you. I guess it's like it. Sounds like he's GonNa Flash Him but he don't love that I think he means I will show you my real identity instead of the disguise I've put on for. You know a as guy watching this man soon turns into Saint Germain from the seventeen hundreds. Okay sure go so now. We're apparently actually looking at the real Saint Germain Who died in seventeen thirty four fun fact but he is just kicking right now so so we're now learning. That Saint Germain is immortal. Is is what we're hearing so while guy is trying to process the fact that he is staring at someone who should have died like two hundred years ago guide. Here's a sound behind him. A massive Black Panther approaches him. Oh and obviously he's terrified but then he feels this overwhelming sense of love. Sweep OVER HIM. And all of a sudden this ray of light made out of love shot out of his chest and shoots out at the panther so it was like projecting love onto this panther. Okay he no longer feels afraid. And within seconds the Panther apparently they both understand each other and then the panther rolls over like a playful kitten in guys petting him and they're now like best pals. Okay sure it because he I guess experienced only love and persuaded the animal to not attack him. So Saint Germain says that Congratulations you pass the test of courage. I projected this panther here and he would never heard to begin with but I needed to know how you would act if you saw panther by yourself and you were able to love it unconditionally and manifest safety for yourself And so now because you pass that test I will now allow you to move further into enlightenment. So now they're going to Saint Germain's going to teach guy more about my God. I need a tylenol. I wish you could see my out of my follow this. I feel like I should be writing it down. A lot of information. So saint-germain apparently gave guide these little cakes to eat the cakes. Were actually like they must have had some sort of psychedelic them because they were then going to help him understand the teachings better so I had like adderall in them or something. That could be actually. That's probably a good guess listened to do these notes. I need adderall. Where's my little cakes cake? Also we do not condone Taking drugs that are not no no no no but so he. He sees little cakes. He's all of a sudden like wired and ready to learn everything. Saint-germain hesitates him and Saint Germain. Basically says that he has been looking high and low across America and Europe specifically to Of course not super higher super-low maybe high and low but not east and West And he says that he has been looking for someone worthy enough to pass along the information that he wants to teach about the great laws of Life Guy Apparently proved himself worthy in that one test and now he and his wife and their son will now be honorary accredited messengers for Saint Elsa wife and kids get to ride along yes. They live nothing and they're just onboard. Sound Tom so. Apparently Guide Saint Germain met many more times and I got to see his past lives. He claims that he was George Washington. Oh my God and Saint Germain said that. He was part of a brotherhood K. Apparently this Brotherhood is a group of spiritually advanced. Beings Aka ascended masters. And just to give you a little more detail into what these ascended masters are. They are immortal. Beings who've lived many lives and no longer need to reincarnate because they have learned to master the physical realm not a lot but I know quite a bit about ascended masters from my Akasha records courses does is what I'm saying the sound accurate. Yeah yeah so that's all I knew basically like the basic definition of it but I actually wanted to so. I'M GONNA actually ask you questions in the next episode about your cautioned records because That does come up. It's nothing that no. It's nothing like you would need to be an expert about. I just WanNa make sure that I do the notes correctly but study up. No no you're good but but so my some people let I guess I'd I would agree with more have said that the ascended masters probably actually do exist in Mount Shasta but truly as spiritual beings who cannot communicate with you so this is like a lot of people think that this story is a wildly elaborate version of like the sky may be needing one of his ascended masters. Okay that makes sense. Yeah no it totally does because a lot of people are like the sky did not meet Saint Germain from the seventeen hundreds multiple times eat cakes of psychedelics and then see a panther and then it became a kitten and now George Washington like a lot of people a lot of people probably like he did not drink a creamy liquid from an ascended master. He probably did like a meditation and like saw his spirit guide or something. And that's all I mean I'm willing. I'm willing to believe that. He ate a psychedelic and saw panther. That's I think that's story make some sense you're right but so anyway saint-germain saying that he is one of the ascended masters and these ascended masters call themselves the Brotherhood and they've been looking for like a human representatives to pass information along too so guy ends up learning about He ends up learning. Saint Germain's plans for what saint-germain and the Brotherhood call the seventh Golden Age And the seventh Golden Age is also called the I am age okay and this is where it starts getting fringy so guy after hanging out with Saint Germain so many times takes all of these lessons. He's learned and builds a an organization out of it and it's called the I am activity and a lot of people have kind of combined it into Christian principles with mystical intuition. Where if you either meditate enough you'll be able to like you know see things that others cancer. Whatever it is sure also combined with fierce nationalism. A where America is spiritually superior that all the other nations yikes cowboy and so this ends up becoming the foundation for guys spiritual movements Called IM activity in it. Offered ascending master teachings in Nineteen Thirty Eight. The movement had about three million members they used. His book unveiled mysteries as their text. But only like a year later the movement quickly died out because guy passed away. Oh Okay so the movement was also apparently. I only found this on one website so I don't know how true says but apparently the movement was allegedly charge by the US government for swindling followers out of like millions of dollars. That sounds about right in a matter of a year and So that being said the town does still offer guys personal writings his end that he had channeled from these ascended masters and the art and the music that he had learned from them. And apparently the music will is known to alter your consciousness enhanced clairvoyance astral projection. Okay so again. I'm interested like the whole story before. All this stuff kind of makes me not want to believe in a lot of doubts that being said that's the story of guy and the ascended masters apparently a lot of people believe the Senate Masters live up there which I would like as much as I'm kind of like knocking this because I really don't want to align with a with a fringe activity or occult. Maybe but we're not a nationalist national American national The I will agree that based on what a lot of indigenous people believe that there are spirits that live up there. I don't think it's a far stretch to that. Spirits in ascended masters spiritually at least not physical forms of them right. I do think a bunch of spirits live up there and if you know one. Group believers deemed them ascended masters while someone else calls them something else. Sure I'm all for that. I just I the the story. It's almost like he gave too much detail. Made me doubt everything more. Yeah it became a little much And potentially racist so that you probably a little reason so other than ascended masters encrypted. Ufo's are also regularly seen here Where people have seen dancing lights mysterious. Flares mysterious flashes ORB metallic crafts glowing objects in Sky Cigar and jellyfish like airships silver airships. That are completely silent. Who and fleets of whites maneuvering in the sky. And they've seen all this in all. These things have been reported quote since long before electricity even existed. Oh interesting so they were like what the hell is that in the sky. What's electricity apparently? There's also ufo conferences. That have been held on Mount Shasta while the last one was actually only last year What's interesting about these extraterrestrials is that they apparently might be a different type of extraterrestrial called. Ultra terrestrial oh so Ufologist John Keel. He's a very famous ufologists off man. Yeah prophecies he helped coin. Ultra terrestrial as a term and they are intelligent extra dimensional species the soap also a little like extraterrestrials but they are more closely tied to the human race They are able to probably compared to extraterrestrials. Ultra shells are known to manipulate portals. Instead of traveling through space they travel through dimensions. Okay and they only manipulate portals. That take them to specific places on earth. Which would make sense why these seven seven Shawcross with all these energies are also known to have all these ufo activities in paranormal activities. Because they might each have a portal that all of the aliens are hopping to from place to place. Sure hopping. Yeah yes. I Dunno jumping time jumping. I like hopping So ultra trail specifically might be the ones that are going from portal deportable on earth and are at least to all the locations on earth that are known to have weird energy anomalies so this could also explain like. I said this could also explain why there are certain places that are hotbeds for your phone. Supernatural tiffany because they might have portals which means that aliens are per. Ultra Trustees are going there all the time. Okay all right Some say that it's not just ufo's and strobe lights that they see Although like so a lot of people say that they see. Ufo's flying into clouds disappearing. Some say that they see the UFO's flying straight into the mountain which is interesting because they also said that they saw bigfoot are Bigfoot subspecies walking through solid objects and now. Ufo's are also flanker sought objects. Oh yeah some people think the clouds and the mountains themselves might actually be. Ufo'S I guess a lot of the cloud that sit on top of the mountain are really weirdly shaped and aren't really seen anywhere else. Oh and these again. These clouds have been around forever. Like for like a century. That people are like doesn't look like a normal fucking cloud rights and I guess they're called Len titular clouds and because this is a mountain and such a mountainous area. I guess the clouds when they sit on top of mountain peaks. They look very abnormal. They almost look like like an inverted. Dome Shape Oh it was like a Sierra Abol upside down or something weird and so because they looked so weird this whole area gets a lot of UFO reports a lot of people a lot of the people that they report them to like. Yeah let's just a cloud that's audio. It's it's become regular where people are like. No there's no phone no. It's nothing sad a lot of I guess. Alien enthusiasts think that The UFO though the clouds themselves might be foes in disguise. Like they might be so. I guess the best way to describe it as that. Ufo's are either flying through the clouds so that they can hide themselves as their docking on the mountain or the cloud itself as one massive ufo. That's always hovering over the mountain in like it's almost a big ass garage for the tiny a foes that are landing every. Okay Okay I get it and so these clouds are sometimes known as the quote Silver Fleet and the silver fleet are in theory entered Inter dimensional UFO's in disguise as clouds. That were built and owned by these creatures on the mountain called the La- Mirian's okay. I'm going to talk about next week because there is too much information about that. So Damn I was like you need to tell me what that is right now. I guess I'll have to wait in theory. The clouds that are all over. Mount shots are actually the silver fleet that are built and owned by. Marion's to look like clouds early. Something like clouds but they're actually entered dimensional. Ufo's in camouflage okay. This is intriguing to me. That was a lot of information and I went left right and diagonal and I'm so sorry but the to partner because I am telling you reading first of all I've been social distancing today's Day twenty-three from since I've done in isolation and so I thought I was cracking before I read all moving on I. I had to rereading it being like. I'm sorry what is going on here. Drinking all down with you I get it. I just want everyone to lose the same amount of sanity as I have to. I think we're behind you. Don't worry anyway. Next week. We will be talking specifically about the La- Mirian's on Mount Shasta. That was extremely interesting. I feel like it's different than what we usually do. It was I was trying to do something. Energy mystical mysterious. I love that kind of stuff as apparently this whole town like everyone note like yes. A tourist attraction now but a lot of people that live nearby. They're like weird shit happens all the time like we're just so used to people thanking. 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I've always thought Heaven's gate in Jonestown were the same Ono I know. I know I'm wrong but I always go ahead and so when you just said that you were going to cover heaven's gate part of me was like we'd literally covered that in the very first episode. I told you we're all losing it. I'm just going to do. I mean to be fair if I did that over again. I don't think any of either both older member. What the hell all I remember about. Use Selling a monkey or sell me a monkey or something. It was never read cool eight. It was purple Kool aid and I never knew. That's right flavor aid flavor aid. You're right you're right. Well there's no flavor aid or or whilst can say. Gatorade the hell my talking about what's it called. What am I doing cool eight? Jesus I was like no I was trying to think of the word cool eight I was like I literally forget the word. I'm so sorry I'm back here with you now. I am going to be covering heaven's gate today and I will say I list. I finally listened to a podcast. I've been wanting to listen to for a long time called Heaven's Gate podcast and a toast by Glynn Washington. Who HOSTS THE SPOOKED PODCAST? Which is like one of the scariest best podcasts ever And I just love that show and he has an amazing voice And he host the Heaven's Gate podcast and It's really good. And they do a lot of interviews so it's like more More in depth than one episode that I'm going to do but He actually was raised in his own kind of little Colt like his family was sort of been very culture religion so he kind of adds a lot to the story. But so listen to that podcast after this and anyway so I'm GonNa tell you now my version of Heaven's gate so to give you well. Let's just start from the beginning. I was going to give you an overview but I feel like it'd be more fun if I just kind Build up into it. So the founders. Let's start with the founder so the founders are a guy named Herff Marshall applewhite and Bonnie Lu nettles. Okay man and lady they were both born in Texas They met in nineteen seventy two Herff sorry history. Weird name that and there's red squirrels under it so I got to zoom in her was born in. Nineteen thirty one He was the son of a minister. Presbyterian minister so he had a very strong interest in religion. Starting at a young age He actually got a BA in philosophy in nineteen fifty two and then enrolled in seminary school to study theology He got married and had two kids and then he left seminary to become a singer but was drafted into the army in nineteen fifty four and in one thousand nine hundred sixty wants his service that ended. He got a master's degree in musical theater. He's all over the place. Listen so now worry so true. So then he saw panther. No No. There's no panther So he earned a master's degree in musical theater from the University of Colorado moved to Manhattan with his family failed his singing career and instead moved to Alabama to take up a position as a music professor so basically all that to say that back story kind of plays into what ends up happening but he is fired from his job at the University of Alabama for having a same sex relationship. Aw and I know. And in nineteen sixty five his wife finds out and divorces him so he moved to Texas to teach at another university but is forced to resign in nineteen seventy once again for being in a same sex relationship Ross and instead he decides he's going to run a sandwich shop in New Mexico or the hell not. Why not at this point? I'm like you tried singing. You tried priest ing. Yeah I mean make a sandwich damn sale. Unfortunately apparently he was really bad at making sandwiches so like literally so his shop failed. I know it's pretty sad. So he went into like really bad debt And then his father passed away and he is just in a really bad place really struggling financially emotionally etc And then so we're going to leave him there and go back real quick to Bonnie Lu nettles okay. She was born in. Nineteen twenty seven to a Baptist family but wasn't religious growing up and she became a nurse and married in nineteen forty nine and had four kids in one thousand nine hundred seventy one She began to claim that this is interesting. M A nineteenth century. Monk named brother Francis Crick started speaking to her regularly. A boy and Telling her what to do. So so much like this guy in the cost of the Mount Shasta. She claims she met a dead monk and he told her you know what to do with her life and The next line is this strands. Her marriage which I imagine it would would sit on blaze tested blaze later and let you know what happens. Alum telling them says hi. I'll tell him he doesn't want me to talk to you blaze by early Nineteen seventy-two Bonnie starts holding these weekly seances She starts visiting fortune. Tellers and studying theology. Astrology and the occult. So she's like diving headfirst into this whole world yeah Yeah and some sources assert that a fortune teller at this point tells her that she will soon meet a Pale mysterious man and that this would be very important to her life. Oh boy so. In March of nineteen seventy two guests who she meets Hail. Lan herff are Pale Man. Herff the Sandwich extraordinaire the very Pale Sandwich. Extraordinaire as of so the two of them meet in nineteen seventy two and there are actually weirdly two versions of how they meet in their extremely different So according to her F- He visits he's visiting a friend in the hospital. And like I said. Bonnie was a nurse and she's a nurse in the Nikko and apparently by chance according to him they met in the hall when they locked eyes in a moment of shared. Recognition of Esoteric Secrets. Oh so like not really love at first sight more like like theology at first sight. That's yes it's much like how you and I met. Actually the second are the second one is about. The world imploded and we learned all of the secrets of lakes underground people and that monk showed up and it was all downhill from there so some some researchers and journalists actually believed that the hospital he was talking about was actually a psychiatric facility where her was a patient checks out so that is a one twist on his tail however. Bonnie's children have an entirely different story and they say their mother met her at a college where He was teaching theater and where Bonnie son was a student and she gave her an astrological reading. And it showed him that they're stars aligned and that they were meant to forge path in life together so either one is a little weird. They're definitely both unique either as weird. They're both unique. I think that's true. They're both like quite a story at a wedding toast like Oh let me tell you. So whichever one is true her believes at this point that he has met Bonnie in a past life and she tells him in turn that their meeting was foretold to her by extraterrestrials. So things have Really quickly turned into some chaos. They believe they have a divine mission to help the world and they create a belief system to support that assertion and create their kind of own religion for lack of a better term course and if court. Why wouldn't you at this point? I'm just GonNa Kinda give you an overview of their whole belief system to tell you What exactly they believed so their belief system was derived from Christian sources as well as the new age movement and Saifi Culture. Row We brought. We've really like accidentally picked the same exact topic this time. Ha isn't that weird. Yeah I feel like this happens rarely but when it does. It's like pretty strange. Is we just know right r. e. So Tarik secrets blended together and at the? Oh it was that the The sixty ninth Shaqra in Burbank. We're that's where our laylines met. Okay now I'm just throwing out words. Okay I love it. So they create this belief system It developed the course of twenty five years but basically Here's a summary of Heaven's Gate Theology so they believe that a longtime ago. Nice space beings from a distant galaxy called the evolutionary level above human or tele arrive on earth and the galaxy is called next level Which is actually what the Christian Bible describes as the Kingdom of Heaven. Okay so the Kingdom of Heaven is described as a physical level of existence in deepest space outside of Man's concept of time and beyond this human level so they believe that the Tila turn Earth into a garden and they plant all life there including humans so humans are like their plants. Sort of sure. Like J. Lak- you know. They tend to them. They tend exactly Earth is a training ground for potential new members of next level and a metamorphosis process will occur in a select group of humans or quote unquote plants who were created with body and spirit so these tele- gardeners Gave their plants. Free will so they could choose their own direction of growth in the free will give them three options option number one you can separate from extraterrestrial God and be quote Unquote spaded under like weeds and They believed that God. I don't know why you would pick that one but Okay I guess you could. If you weren't your choice not gonNA judge. They believed God was not a spiritual deity but the wisest and most powerful of all tele and commander of their technical technologically advanced starfleet. So who would take that for what you will the tree end? Detroit RIGHT THE END. All be all Now number two option number two is to overcome human condition and leave this world behind for next level. That's the other option. And then finally your third option is to join the opposition called the Luciferians boy We that sounds a lot like what you're what was the name of the the the other things L- Muren's okay well. These are called the luciferians apparent. Apparently they're evil extraterrestrials who work against Tele and they actually believe Lucifer was an early Earth plant. Who graduated to next level then rebelled so I mean basically like the actual biblical story of Lucifer that he's a fallen angel sort of but instead he's a fallen plant. I guess I don't know so I think he's a plant that went to the next level. Then rebelled against their God and was expelled to form his own group. The kind of oppositional evil group and Apparently they're also capable of space travel but with lesser spacecraft. I sit so there are just not as good at it. Oh my God jusque headache-inducing I probably Shoulda warned you. So that's okay. I didn't want a God damn once about Mount Show. We're really pulling everyone into some chaos stories for when people were like on their mental game and not like slowly like falling away petty. Not just like questioning whether they're actually hearing this or whether it's just like being made up this is your reality. Check everyone right okay. So basically that is their main belief system they also that every six thousand years the earth is harvested and then recycled Aka annihilated. And they believe this happened with Adam Eve and then every six thousand years. This happens with a new Adam and eve like new two plants that than You know build up the whole process again and they think that this is done every six thousand years because the earth gets overrun with weeds. I Aka the people who stray from God. Listen I know you're gonNA understand this reference but this is like talking infinity war. This is like really could so fan house. He believes that like the world is like overpopulated. With like just overpopulated. In general and so when he snaps fingers. I know you've seen him snap fingers. Oh Yeah Yeah. It's because he wants to get rid of fifty percent of humanity. Whether it's good bad completely like judge wipe out just wipe out fifty percent just like at least start over in like and see how the world recreates itself from fifty percent that stays he. I'M NOT GONNA lie. That's pretty similar Except he wipes out everyone right exactly. They think it's kind of the same idea except they wipe out everyone and then start over with new plants Gotcha but yeah. I mean. It's pretty similar idea. Okay that's all I'm GONNA do it in my head case that gives you a little reference point to us. I guess I wish I had one but oh well obstacle Apollo. That's what you get colors. All I'm going to grip onto with my with my fingers. Like white knuckling last resort boy. Okay so they believe The tele visit their plants To give them direction and encouragement every two thousand years to like try and realign them. You know to the correct way of living. I think this is a breeding ground to try and get people to graduate to the next level with extraterrestrials structure And they think that these over these weeds quote unquote are often used by Luciferians to sow discord and drop regular plans to the dark side. They think like basically evil is working through the world and pulling people to the dark side and the Tela just want them be good and so they keep visiting every two thousand years to try and fix it and then every six thousand they'd just started. Were okay so the tele identify plants. That have the potential to graduate to the next level and they're made up of two parts so Each plant or person basically is made up of a body which is just like the vessel or the container and then the spirit or the software of the software of the information online so basically like a soul or spirit which is inside the body. So graduation to next level requires A third part. Oh sorry I guess not. Everyone has a soul. The third part you require a goal and this is kind of like a micro chip or a seed and it contains all the information metamorphosis and plants that receive a soul are chosen for potential by Tele Gardeners. Oh my God this is just so they don't want again. I know sorry okay. I'm just like though you're my third. I right now okay or goods from Australia. Yes Oh God. So basically they believe that people are made of a spirit slash software. That's inside a vessel body and they believe that certain people are plants are given a soul and those people are eligible to be graduated to those with the most. If you have a soul you have the software that allows you to to grow again you have microchip is if you will So plants that receive this sole are then have the potential to be graduated with the tele- but since the plants are too primitive to understand the souls information the microchip they instead act as a homing device so that the tele representative can find them. The people with the soul and then Come and this is the literal quote. Shed genderless terrestrial bodies and attempt to take bodily possession of the were-they plans who wow. This is happy. That bender was genderless. Like where do I know? There's a lot happening here. So they're called away teams these kids now. The trains leaving the station am getting kind. Lake trying to halt real quick. And it's like it's it's getting driven directly off of a cliff bottom okay so okay basically. They just need to hear it again. I think I need to hear it again out of my mouth. 'cause wow so they believe that plants. Okay I'm just GONNA say humans. Humans are too primitive to understand the information that their soul has the ones that have sold so instead the soul is like a little chip that acts as a homing device to that these tele- treos can come find them and deliver them. Basically I stay and help them. Shed their bodies so that they can You know ascend with the sole could release. Yes the microchip can go off with the representatives wrecked. Yes and so they built so that's why they believe so once by the way this is how you know somethings a fucking cult because if you have to explain it in full immediately like clearly like the way that the only way that people have like entered this organization was because they were spoon fed this very gradually rightist by bit kind of Art. Making Sad. I was GonNa say that earlier when you were talking about The the panthers thing and then you kind of you told the whole story and then you summed it up in one sentence and you said Oh. Yeah this guy drinks and milky fluid and then saw panther and then ate some cake and like when you sit in one sentence I was like holy. Shit that's insane but like when you kind of pieced it all out in like a long story it like forget how crazy. Yeah it's like if you lay late you meticulously? Make sure that all the right information is in the right order. Anything can probably sound not too crazy but if you're giving someone like a cliff notes version of something and it says look Anna's it might be a cult like shit and I have like a deep-seated obsession with scientology just learning understanding it and it's a really similar idea like that's why they don't release that information because they don't want to be like hey by the way. Z. New You know all these. It's like a similar idea where they're like. We'll know you learn that as you go through so that you can like slowly believe they also they also frame it as like. Oh once you ascended than you can know this piece and then once you've said so it makes you feel like you have a goal to write to graduate and then you're like honored and you should be proud of the fact that you get information others and distracts. Let's act like if no if they just gave the PM at one time would not believe if eh like every time. The media's so you believe that ZANU is an alien God whatever and they're like no of course not but like then when you start learning about it that's literally what it is. That meal do a an episode on that soon. I've been wanting to 'cause that's a long one that's GonNa be a rough one yeah So anyway so they believe that plant right. So they're gonNA the people with the souls have a homing device that the tele extraterrestrials every two thousand years come to Earth and say oh these are the ones are have the potential to come with. Us radio the next level in my head. I'm hearing it as human souls are. Gps Yup and a representative is going up. You're coming down and collect all the GPS tracking devices. And then once you have all the tracking devices turned into souls our souls but they no longer have a body are a form and they will now ascend into better versions of themselves right. They will ascend to literally a different planet or like a different part of space. That's their heaven rakes. Okay so yes. That's exactly right so once this plant. So they believe that when the homing device goes off and the Tele extraterrestrials find them they take bodily possession of them to kind of help them shed their bodies And they believe that once a person is possessed by Attila representative the plant then goes through quote unquote classroom. Because they have to override. They're like base human instincts like they're lower being like they're trying to shed their humanness And so they have to go through like a classroom sort of situation to learn how to leave that part behind And so if the plant is able to endure this classroom transition they will then join the representative like you said on the journey back to next level once the mission is complete And you can only make next level when you're attached to Attila. Okay so If it becomes necessary this is kind of the The big the big glaring red point on this whole This whole belief system is if it becomes necessary. A plant may have to shutdown itself to make it to ice going right so they believe. Jesus I'm sorry. Hang on that. So that doesn't make sense to me in their own beliefs in my head are not like I found a plot hole and okay. Okay 'cause isn't it isn't so you just said that they will take all of these souls and basically put them in class 'til Lake like get rid of the indoctrination young being a human gave them right and then only that if they can pass that like a boot Camp Ryan like become like be nothing but complete ethereal souls again Then if that doesn't happen they're not welcome to to go to the next level but now they're saying like Oh wait now. I'm confused so so they know. Now you're confused interesting so the next part you're saying is like metaphorically at least humans have to kill themselves to help release their soul. Yes so basically. That's the end of the classroom is like learn how to shed your human body and that leads you to kind of the final step of okay. I'm finally willing and able to shed my human body and I am. I getting to this and this is how I will perform it. So I guess is their argument than that. Like you're the. Gps tracker the homing device in your soul is not actually turned on until you're dead No that's just the soldiers away for the Tele to find you and say okay you are. You are being that is able to ascend and you have the knowledge within you to be able to ascend got on and yeah. I guess like relief. Yeah so I guess you shed your your human body and then you become this genderless extraterrestrial creature. I see and are taken to the next level. Sorry it's really hard for me to wrap my head around irrational information. I know I know it'd be the likely understand illogical information But yeah it sounded at first like they. It doesn't matter I'm with you now. It doesn't matter okay. Well welcome to me to where I am. Because I don't know where the hell I am but I'm glad you're with me Yeah so basically. That's kind of what they believe and again. This took twenty five years for them to kind of develop this whole theory to its fullest. And I again. I'll say like if you WANNA learn more there's that Podcast called Heaven's gate where they go through like. I don't know eleven episodes to discuss all of this show. It's much more. Indepth you know and like they interview people explain it and so it's a it's obviously a lot more in depth And spread out. But we don't have eleven episodes to do that. So I'm just throwing it all at you right now so in late nineteen seventy-two Herff and Bonnie begin their divine mission by opening a metaphysical bookstore and in nineteen seventy three. They decide instead. They're gonNA close up their shop and take to the road to start recruiting disciples with their new doctrine seventies. Right so they They require their disciples to give up or they call them their crew members. Basically give up all of their worldly possessions and material things and They do themselves Bonnie divorces her husband and abandoned her children and they're actually mo three of them are grown adults at this point in one is still a teenager. She's actually interviewed in the her. Name's Terri and she's interviewed in the Podcast it's really sad. She was like my mom and I were like best friends and so close and then she just left Yeah and it's pretty tragic end so then He her and Bonnie travel around preaching They went completely broke in the process and they started resort They started camping or skipping out on hotel bills to try and make ends meet and in August of nineteen seventy four arrested on charges of credit card fraud and auto theft because they rented a car and kept And Sony's released but her spent six months in jail and after that once he's out in March of Nineteen seventy-five and Ohi California Bonnie and her recruit a mother and daughter to their emerging group and In the next month in April Two of them refer to themselves so Bonnie and her start referring to themselves as t and go. Oh boy yeah and sometimes they call themselves Bo and peep which is just orse rose Yup But t Indo and they they hold a recruitment meeting in the Hollywood hills where eighty people attend and twenty four people agree to meet them in Oregon in two weeks and they do so twenty. Four people go from California to Oregon to meet them. They're they're like that convinced. So now the small group which Alt alternate goes by the names human individual metamorphosis or him and total over comers anonymous. T. T. total over comers anonymous. Those were the two names they. I guess they just can't decide how could you? They're important things to focus on in the world. I know it's fucking stick to a script man okay They start leading. A nomadic transient lifestyle and they have their follow. Worse and In June of nineteen seventy five Herff Bonnie just decide to abandon their followers in sedona Arizona. They're like we're done with you or I don't know a yeah. Let's just got lucky. Let's consider them lucky. Honestly though truly and some of them they interview people who like got out and are like what the fuck like your it's really fascinating and then in September of that year so a couple months later. They're back in Oregon and Bonnie and her hold a UFO convention with the promise that a spaceship is going to land and it does not we guarantee they did. They literally promised it and then it just didn't happen. What a shock. And somehow they got thirty more people to join the group because they were so convincing off time convincing so they left town for Colorado to wait for they said Oh eight the spaceships actually going to land in Colorado. Then they leave for Colorado. And here's the interesting part. Is that these thirty people. Just peace out of Oregon after this UFO convention and it made national headlines because basically people were like hold on. They had a UFO convention. These thirty people just fucking left And it generated a lot of negative publicity for the group They had like Walter Cronkite on a recording of him. Talking about it it's super interesting And so at this point. They're like super wary of the press and they decide to go underground to avoid the stigma. The public stigma and by doing so. They lost three quarters of their now. One hundred member strong group. Wow so they're only left with like twenty five people the the Ultra Believers. I suppose sure so in the early and like going underground basically part of that is like you're not allowed to contact anyone from your past life like you need to be off the grid and so a lot of people obviously didn't want to agree to that And so in the early nineteen eighties. The group finally sticks to the script and adopts the moniker. Heaven's gates I see. Yeah they start living since they're not working. They START LIVING OFF. Several members trust funds o much to the pride of their parents. I'm sure right and Many members cut off contact completely with families and friends members were required to be celibate because sex was considered Mammalian and They are trying to shed their human. They're like in the classroom at this point basically and they're trying to shed their human Base instincts right So they take on what they saw. As a genderless appearance in clothing and hairstyle they all had this like same haircut all wore like the same kind of just baggy clothes. Anything human Such as affection was discouraged and everything was regimented to the minute even the apparently they dictated the proper diameter of pancake. That's how strict they were about the rules. Yeah they were allowed to. It's it's just beyond like strange They were allowed to watch some movies on. Tv and It would it was only content. That would prepare them for life on spaceships. So they were allowed to watch close encounters of the third kind star Trek and later cocoon and that was and they said they got really into Star Trek. They were like trekkies. Also on top of it riles like truly really huge fans and then I it was one thousand nine hundred six and doe or Bonnie's daughter Terry. The one who was a teenager was in college and she received a visit from some of the members of the group. And she's like I was trying to. She was interviewed in other Pakistan. She's like I was just trying to have like a relaxing evening. And all of a sudden these people showed up and they're like Oh we're members of Heaven's gate your mom's you know the founder and where members and we just wanted to check on you and she cares so much about you and she was like what the hell and she's like. Yeah they were being really weird invasive and they started talking about how like. She had a Yoda doll and they were like. Oh your mom loves iota and what are you why I even my room like my dorm room. Basically and And then they mentioned casually like Oh and by the way your mom had to have surgery delake loot. She lost an eye and a ball. Sorry Terry was like wait. What and so she kind of like. They tried to skip over that and she said just as a gut instinct she said is my mom dead. And she's like I assume they would like. Oh God no but they just went yes. She's and she was like reeling like she was shy. And IT TURNS OUT. Her Mom had died of liver cancer a year earlier in one thousand nine hundred five. Oh my gosh. And since basically they were here to tell her in so many terms that her mother had passed away and She had even the the worst part is that but in that year she had called to talk to her mom. And everyone's like oh no. She's really busy turns out she had been dead at this point so like. Oh my God. They were just lying to her. She had no idea now. I also think it's interesting that they even like when other way to go tell someone that their mom died because of their whole thing is like oh wait. We don't care about section and we don't care about caring about each other so like interestingly. Bonnie didn't follow her own rules like she would mail stuff to her daughter secretly all the time and numale her money and like a right to her that she loved her and so I think since she was a founder she was like you need to tell my daughter the lake once. I pass unique to tell my daughter and so rain believe she's like their guru or whatever they felt like they had to and so she was actually Unbeknownst to to them breaking her own rules and like writing to her daughter sending her money and saying like. Don't tell anyone where this came from. And gotcha yet and so I think they were kind of instructed to by Bonnie Before she died and like this became a huge issue because the whole point was that they were going to be ascending. And like it wouldn't happen until everyone was ready in the aliens would take them and now. Bonnie was dead right. We'll also CH- will also like on a personal level two of them all having to like lose contact with everyone they cared about the like their own lead-in half right right. Oh that partout. Yeah and so she was. Bring your own rules in it and so Herff was like the only one left and he actually considered Bonnie above him like she was kind of the top leader and then he was kind of her sidekick almost and so when she died he went through his own crisis and was like well shit. Like now I've gotta run this thing and like she was supposed to guide us to the next level and now she's gone And so it became. He was devastated and it was just like really sent a lot of them reeling You would think that they would That like he shouldn't be devastated because he shouldn't be showing human emotions like you would think he would be like well. She's already passed on before us and likes now. She's already meeting US There. And all this yes. So that's kind of what he did like he he didn't really I don't think openly admit to that But he basically changed the the doctrine and said like. Oh don't worry she went ahead of us and we're just GONNA follow her but he was willing to because he's like. This is not part of the plan like like her. Dying of cancer was not in the original plan. This is not how she said it would happen. And so now he's like Shit. I'm stuck with all these people that have been following for years and I need to comfort them and say no no. Don't worry like she's waiting for us or did he was. He starting to have doubts at all. You think of being like oh well everything. She like prophesied like prophesized is not happening. Yes Oh actually. I think a lot of people speculate that he did start to kind of question. It and Terry for what? It's worth thinks that her mom had started becoming disillusioned with the whole thing Before her death because the way she wrote her letters she kind of said. Like one of the letters actually said Whatever you do stick to stick to a you know a normal path get a career like Bob Blah. Start a family. Don't abandon your fit. What I like. The her instructions were very like opposite to her daughter of like what she did. So Terry was like I think she started regretting. Some things and questioning but at the same time It they were into deep basically like they had all those people just like following them blindly and they had all their money. You know and it's like well now. What kind of had to talk themselves into like own and this is supposed to happen so right. So he basically changes the entire doctrine. It's like don't worry she went ahead and we're going to. We're going to follow and we're GonNa meet her So don't worry about it and they are like okay sure and They think basically at this point they start to believe that she had left her earthly body to prepare the ship for their arrival. She is just like leading the way boy. So it's around this time that seven members of Heaven's Gate And her himself traveled to Mexico to be castrated. And some sources state that this occurred only after an unsuccessful home castration. Oh my gosh led to a member's death and they definitely discuss this process in the podcast. Podcast heaven's Gate and It is slightly disturbing and they even give a little warning to be like. Just you know this is not GonNa make you feel great But so a lot of the members were like begging to be literally begging to be castrated because they were like were not allowed to have sex. Were living in close quarters. We are trying to resist are urging like we want them to be gone please like let us be castrated. And so they were So in the early nineties Heaven's gate whose members include several computer programmers started company called higher sources and that's creating websites and The Heaven's gate starts their own website and it's built as a recruitment tool for other people to join and in nineteen ninety three. The group places a large advertisement for Heaven's Gate in USA Today so another really like selling out. I guess they're actually get people want to join this cult and in nineteen ninety five at this point. They're living in a compound in New Mexico and it's then that her fears that the Hale Bopp comet was approaching and this was a huge deal in the nineties. that Hale Bopp was coming and to astronomers named Hale and Bob had seen this comment and That's why it's named that and it was just really. It's such a rare occurrence and people on you know. Earth were very excited about this and her just started to believe that this was the sign this was associated with the arrival of the Tele- and their harvest would begin. And this was kind of the sign of their ascension to come and so in nineteen ninety six. He sells their compound in New Mexico for sixty thousand dollars and he moves the group which now has seven Several dozen sorry. Several dozen disciples to a mansion in Rancho Santa Fe San Diego County. And I know it's like now it's becoming I mean it really sounds like it's becoming a reality show at this point to a mansion and they're taking out ads in USA Today and so they They move into this mansion and in March of Nineteen Ninety seven San Diego Sheriff's receive a strange call. I they believed it to be a prank But they followed up on the anonymous tip and they enter the mansion to find quite a disturbing sight and it turns out that herff and his followers believed that thirty three spaceships were arriving on the tail of the Hale Bopp comet to graduate them so they could go to the next level and herff makes a decision that Everyone in the group was to take their own lives and die by suicide to leave their mammalian vessels behind the graduate together to meet Bonnie to meet dough On the spaceship while and yet it's unclear whether he made that decision alone or whether the group came to a consensus but either way the decision was made and they started preparing What they did. I was a cleanse themselves. They they spent anywhere from a week to three months. On the master cleanse which was no food it was just water Cayenne pepper and maple zero Russia. Which to this day I have seen on actual diet websites and know people who have tried it ended is not good for you so please don't that yeah. It really is like a still a cleanse today. But it's the people in Heaven's gate did it. Don't dig thank you. That's what I always say. That's my lake bar that's M.'s. And my bar for like what will allowed the teller advise with Tele. Did he say teletubbies? I just put that together. It's kind of weird Yes so they do this master cleanse to kind of prepare the their bodies and then they create these special uniforms that have become very famous As part of this Heaven's Gate Story and they're black tracksuits with NIKE DECADES SNEAKERS. And the tracksuits have a specially made patch on the sleeve. That says a way team which is a reference to star Trek. Wow and In a strange coincidence among the thirty nine Members of Heaven's gate at this time is the estranged brother of National Nichols who played actually one of the officers in the original star Trek series. Get her estranged brother was in this group wearing a star trek badge and believing that he was going to ascend in actual star trek fashion. Jeez yet it's just really weird coincidence They actually purchased this is real alien abduction insurance policies. Each member can Apparently this is a real thing called Niche Insurance And apparently it's similar to the idea of Mariah Carey ensuring her legs okay This is like a real thing you can do is buy specifically alien abduction insurance which we should get on that and I mean we have it. We should reconsider like extra some like Demon Insurance to actually. That's probably like paranoid. Yeah I think we do. They have a like a group policy. That will Like a bundle deal. Maybe like family like family plan a family plan and like let's bundle home auto extraterrestrial in demon one. Okay Eve at the town okay. Each member at this point makes an exit tape in which they say their goodbyes to the human world but in each video. They're super joyful their lucid their content with their plan It's really alarming. Yes very creepy and Her himself makes a nearly ninety minute. Exit video and in his video says they will not be committing suicide quote unquote but instead they will be ascending to a higher plane of existence. That suicide is staying ignorant in a world that will be recycled in twenty twenty seven and instead they are not taking their own lives. They are leaving their bodies to go to a better life. Basically and you said twenty twenty one. We were supposed to be recycled. Twenty twenty seven. So we're not there yet. Yeah we'll find out though it certainly legacy will look at the world on. Its Way to that as I say. We're not in bad shape now According to their whole belief system it seems like pretty on track Only six years away from an annihilation just at this point right recycled the earth recycled. Yeah so they have their own last supper and get this. It's at Marie calendar's because why not onto. By the way I know ours is that. She's GIG factory. They had all they all the same thing. Which actually after this month long cleanse is probably really exciting. They have ice tea small salad a Turkey pot pie and blueberry cheesecake so they all had the exact cereal I know and the waiter said that. None of them seemed distraught. They were all very polite. Like nothing seemed off. They were having a great time together. And so her at this point Fedex packages to several former heaven's gate members including some people he thinks of as friends and that one of BBC journalists and these packages contain the VHS tapes that had copies of everyone's exit videos and a letter. That says we have exited vehicles just as we entered them cook and so basically these packages like so goose. Cami were not supposed to arrive until after this act had taken place so that by the time they arrived. It was too late for anyone to do anything So on March Twenty Third Nineteen Ninety. Seven the heaven's gate cult members their leader Marshall Applewhite herff packed their suitcases. Put a five dollar bill and three quarters in one pocket and their ideas in the other and then they began what they called their metamorphosis. So they eight They were fifteen of them at this point who had agreed to go through with us. They ate a mixture of pheno barbital mixed with applesauce followed by chaser vodka. Then they lay down in their beds and put plastic bags over their heads. Yep Karsh also wants. The fifteen of them passed away officially to female members cleaned up. The scene posed the bodies in a uniform dignified position kind of with arms crossed. Like how you are. Sorry arms to your side like how you lay in a casket. Basically and Covered the bodies with purple shrouds and Purple was actually does favorite color. It's unclear if that's why the shrouds were purple but it's possible And so on March twenty fourth the second group of fifteen. Do the same as the first so there was they split them in half basically so the first half a took their own lives and the second half the day after did the same and Just as before the two female members cleaned up covered the bodies with the shrouds and finally on the Third Day March twenty fifth the final group of nine took their lives as the thirty before them had and even though the first fifteen had agreed to start the process the remaining continued it. Just like their predecessors. Nobody backed out And her for himself was the third to last to take his life so that the final so that the two female members could clean up again then they themselves Took the applesauce place bags over their heads. And they were the only ones who were not cleaned positioned enshrouded because that was their tasks clough and That's how they were found in their mansion Very disturbing sight. I imagine Probably quite traumatizing holy crap and the way they were discovered. So one of this guy named Rio Diangelo who lived in L. A. received his package and He understood what the hell this package meant so he asked his boss to drive from La to The mansion in San Diego. He took a video camera with him and because he knew what was going on he was a former member and he recorded as he entered the mansion from an unlocked door he recorded the scene. He called out for anyone. Nobody responded then. He returned to his boss. He said call the police and they made an anonymous tip to the sheriff's Office This is when the sheriffs believed this was a prank So they responded to the mansion to do a welfare check based on this tip and that is when they discover the thirty nine body's already decomposing in the warm weather shit and they check for any sign of life. They find none and they speak in an investigation. So yikes also by the way like if I were If I had any doubts I would volunteer real quick to be one of those two women who like cleaned up and then I just wouldn't have done anything after everyone left. Yeah but I mean. I'm surprised that they were really that convicted. You know I mean they were welcome to leave. You know like nobody was chaining them. They're like you know if they didn't want to do it. They could left but nobody really thought that was gonna be the ending to the style of like. Oh and then one of them decided it was. They didn't want to do it now. There are actually remaining members but I will get to that The two women who were kind of the caretakers they They were so convicted that they wanted to help everyone else get to the other side before they did themselves which is just really sad So basically find a the sheriff's department enters a house. They find this situation. They get a search warrant to begin the investigation and the aftermath of the mass suicide. Was that all thirty nine members. Twenty-one women and eighteen men of Heaven's gate who took their lives were cremated within a year of the heaven's gate mass suicide as it was called In the press three members and former members would take their own lives on their own account with the hopes of joining They're meant other members. Yeah so they basically felt like they were not left behind but they were like. Oh No I wanted to go to. So they took their own lives thinking. Oh I'll do this and then I will be able to join my fellow members. A one member who expresses deep regret for not joining the thirty nine when interviewed in a documentary about the cult? He tried to take his life twice before he was successful and Another copycat suicide occurred in northern California This becomes like such a obviously a huge story in the press others and SNL sketch Kind of gallows humor starts. Taking over there is A top ten list on David Letterman. Show an early version of the MEME. It's a photo of one of the bodies. Herbs are it's a photo of the bodies and then with the Nikes like in the picture and it says right he just did it. You know like your and obviously Nike at this point had a huge PR issue on their hands. They're like our shoes. Really had to use our fucking shoes. Oh I can't imagine like I'm sure they were really proud of those shoes too and then nobody wanted to. Everyone wanted to buy them for the wrong or that right and so they were called Nike decades. They were removed from the market. And like you said are now considered a collector's item. Which you know I can see why people collect or things in that And then in nineteen ninety nine San Diego County holds an auction for the items left behind by Heaven's gate and their two remaining members and their names are mark and Sarah King and they try to stop the auction. They settled by paying two thousand dollars to retrieve anything significant to their beliefs as well as any intellectual property And the Heaven's gate website in all its mid-nineties glory is still alive And supposedly being maintained by the two surviving members the kings and I'm on the website right now. It's called Heaven's Gate Dot Com it. is very nineties. It has like a little space star. Background has a little a LO graphic that says red alert Yeah and it basically Gives you a little? Overview has a really cool like word art a logo while the good word Arts Logan. Good Word Art. It says I'm just GonNa read one little bit from from the website. Says if you study the material on this website you will hopefully understand our joy and what our purpose here on earth has been. You may even find your boarding pass to leave with us during this brief window. We are so very thankful that we have been recipients of this opportunity to prepare for membership in their kingdom and to experience their boundless caring nurturing and then they have a lot of Additional transcripts and They're like belief systems and links to their hard copy of their book. That you can order it. It's just a excelled disturbing of remind me again. How did they so? What was the story behind how Half her how her how he came to or how Hemin Bonnie came to like learn the secret information about like Tele and all that. It's just make him out. They could made it up Rations anything well remember how. Bonnie said she was being spoken to buy yes among. She also believed that she was being spoken to by extraterrestrials. Who told her that she would meet her? And that they would like forge this path together and so she basically believed this was being this information was being like given to her from extraterrestrial being river right so that she could lead the new generation of a soul which was chosen one. Two totally right. No totally I totally forgot about the Her hearing voices and stuff I would. I would prefer you memorized by the end of the episode but I guess that's okay. This is one of the Times that I'll probably be pleased. I don't remember what we out in an episode because it really fucks at your head okay. Let's see so right so they kings are believed to be running this website. Still many of the items were purchased and are currently displayed at the Museum of death. In Hollywood so I guess have you been to that one M yes. The Museum of Death Organza. Both of them I went to the well. Okay Liens to yeah okay. So apparently a lot of the items are at the one in Hollywood's there are And then the auction raised over thirty two thousand dollars and it was put toward the funeral expenses And it's really tragic because a lot of these people's families hadn't heard from them years didn't know if they were okay and then turn on the news and said isn't that the Oh so and so my son was in or whatever and had to find out that way which is really tragic on my Gosh Heaven's gate continued to be an. Actually you know. A lot of the argument about it too is they. They were very happy. They died in like a very peaceful quote unquote way according to their videos But they they were happy to do with. They were excited. But you know then you think about all the chaos and destruction. They left behind in their families lives and in their lives. And so I mean I guess like Ya if you're GONNA die like I'm glad that you died in the your best way possible but still you also didn't have to yet like yeah exactly and it took it took it put a lot of people. It added a lot of pain to the earth right. Despite insistent they were that this was a good thing. So Heaven's Gate Continues to be quite a `Nigma so to say among colts scholars debate whether or not they had free will within the group You know it's discussed whether brainwashing is a real thing Whether you know how that actually works whether Any of the members were ever intimidated. Which it's believed they were not They were always allowed to leave if they wanted to with no repercussions You know whether her himself was just that effective in persuading them it's it's debated like how much say the members had in this final decision right They could they could. Most of them could maintain their normal jobs if they wanted. And I mean personally. I think that's probably because they needed money like the group needed to have become A lot of them were cut off from their family members. others weren't so it's kind of unclear like how that happened And reportedly the families who were cut off had attempted to remove the their family members. They actually kind of created a group. This one woman created group of people who also had their family members taken away by this colts and tried to get them back but The cult members would not go home. at least most of them didn't and for all intents and purposes they were pretty much normal quote people. A lot of them had good jobs. Degree like a degrees Families they just left everything behind And so you know. It's unclear how they were persuaded but her friend. Bonnie must have just been that. Yeah convincing I guess And most people agree that Herpin Bonnie genuinely believed in what they preach. It wasn't like a money making scheme you know or like a money hungry power. Play or anything like that. As a lot of colts are but it's it's believed that they actually truly believed in it themselves And presently nowadays there are between four and eight members of Heaven's Gate including the Kings who run the website and they show I know and they fully believe this and they're one of them was interviewed in the other show podcast and they believe that like their time will come to you. Know enter the next level and meet up with Bonnie and the others. Oh my God yeah and so it's still kind of going on today and you can see the website at Heaven's Gate Dot Com. Please don't join it but you can look at it at all end. That is the story of Heaven's Gate Hoof a big episode. I'm like no I don't think either of US planned for it to be now but this was big stuff. I'm glad we're only recording one today. 'cause I think if we did to our brains would explode. I'd be mentally white for. I think we're GONNA have weird dreams. We should probably journal them tonight. Just wow well. Thank you guys for two again. Hopefully this makes you feel better. I know at least distracted. You hopefully from everything else. That's happening right now. I want to say I was. I guessed I guess. Start ON EGOS podcast. This week. That was right. I was on paranormal activity. If you guys want to go with a podcast I cannot wait to listen. We were talking about all three of us. Were talking about the book Beniquilo Alive. Oh Yeah on tour. We kept talking. I kept saying that that was like my my dream book like back when I actually wanted to read and I probably have like trauma from Benicia and that's why I don't like to read anymore because I desperately wanted to get it from the library and it was always signed out and so I actually read a book. I read Benicia for four. You've show to catch myself up. His hundred pages Cried FOR ONE HUNDRED MINUTES. And that's a big deal. It's been feel proud of you and but so talk about it on Eva's podcast so you can go to that a per normal I am so excited. I have not listened yet but I'm going to today and I will be on a future episode also but I have not heard what book were reading it so Gotcha I will update you when that happens. All Right. Well thank you. Everyone for listening This has been very fun and very disturbing as usual. Yes yes yes I miss you M and I cannot wait till someday Oh my God my Siri Gut went off and I said This is disturbing and she said I'm sorry you fucking should be anyway. I miss you too all right. You better anyway check in with US next week. We'll see what part two has in store for everybody delirious at the very least you'll be hearing about. I can't wait and that's why we drink. We did it.

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Transcendence Through Song

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39:08 min | 2 weeks ago

Transcendence Through Song

"Hello and welcome to truth. Be told transformation. I'm bonnie burkard and you were just hearing a little snippet from beautiful mantra by gye. Youtall gye welcome to truth. Be told transformation. Thank you so much for having me. I wanted to tell you that you are in heavy rotation on the soundtrack of my life. Especially in this past year i But for a long time. I have found that having a mantra. Having a beautiful song with a devotional message has really helped me. Stay calm but actually get deeper into meditation. So i'd like to ask you to talk to us a little bit about how you discovered this for yourself and what it does for you. I wish i could say. I was more calm but many many many years ago i well i. I was exposed to indian music indian instrumental music as well as in indian singing and india chanting. And then a little bit later into it indian sacred song sacred chanting and i found that more than anything else i. I found that. When i was saying his chance in these mantras i would become a connected to my inner world and you know sometimes that was very joyful and sometimes painful. Because you know there's a well of everything inside of us but but gradually as i became more Comfortable with singing. Because i was playing instruments since i was very very young but gradually as i became more comfortable with singing i am. I found that it became sort of a life support system for me singing mantras with manning many different melodies and styles but still singing these ancient ancient mantras With sustaining my soul and away. That nothing else did. That's beautiful. i'll give an anecdote of When i first discovered it was living in new york city Back in the ninety s when yoga wasn't quite as huge as it is now. And i somehow yoga studio was having cureton sessions in the evening and cureton is mantra singing. But it's more in the call and response tradition right. So just and i mean probably my first exposure and a great example for people. That aren't necessarily into. This genre of music would be George harrison mice. We lord i mean. How moving is that. So yeah i would be going to these yoga sessions on a friday night instead of running off to cbgb's which is where all my other friends were. And i really had a discovery of time passing. I'd be my eyes. Close be relaxed. I'd be singing along. Good music rhythm and what felt like forty five minutes was actually ninety and that was where i despite years of having your years of yoga before i lost myself there so i want you to know that i really. I'm inviting everybody to have an exploration and certainly explore jobs music so john to two ways to talk about this one. Would you like to comment on nod. Yoga the nod the yoga of sound science. Well yeah i mean what. I'm mostly involved in. His is balked yoga but to yoga. And not nada. Yoga are very intertwined in the ancient scriptures. It's written that sound. Is god so you know it's not like sound is a doorway to god or sow new brings to the guy says sound is god so the nada yogis concentrate on on the inner sound chant and then they go into silence and listen inwardly to the sound of the universe vibrating in their molecules. It's very esoteric What i've been much more involved in in. My whole life is called bob te'o again which is the yoga of devotion or the yoga of personal connection with the divine through through the emotions sue all the phillies in the heart. And we sing. We sing mantras. The mantras themselves are filled with transformative power and yes in nada yoga. They also sing the mantras but they don't explore melody they don't Explore rhythm and all the ways that melody and rhythm can enliven the emotional world inside of our heart and connected emotional world to spirit all right. Let's look let's Give some examples of favorite mantras moon. We started off with hari. krishna In the beginning of the show. So tell us that about that. One how that feels for you and some others hartridge. The mantra ten has a has a bit of a bad rap in in in the west. The Just because if i don't we will go into that but it's a very very ancient mantra and it's incredible the the understanding of what it means. There's many ways to understand where it means but how do they is the feminine the divine feminine and krishna. The divine masculine. So we singing when we say. Howdy christner holiday christian we're talking. We're invoking where calling this ecstatic. Love that king never be separated. You know it's like this union of ecstatic love. But then we say krishna. Krishna holiday had a and something. They're they're separated. It's like oh god. This anxiety anguish of separation and then the next phase of the mantra says had aid armagh had alma and rama is the divine masculine and holiday the divine feminine and the united again ecstatic union and rama rama hyundai headache and they're separated and for me. This is such a beautiful picture of human life you know. Sometimes we feel so deeply connected to our inner spirit our beloved around us to nature to you know to consciousness and then sometimes just out of the blue. We seem to disconnect you look at your closest one and you say who are you. Mind nature and spirit and embody that those periods of separation and that that terribly uncomfortable awful feeling of disconnection is is serves us to increase our longing and to increase our passion for connection so for me. That's one thing they've got. Mantra represents i love that. And i thank you for the education on that There's a lot of details in there. That i didn't i didn't realize in hearing that. So he know what you were saying about the separation to kind of makes me think about the pause that we hear sometimes in music. And i know you're very Your musical tastes are very broad. And your influences also are not just from indian ragas but also american rock and know what i would what i say more roots music and things like that so just talking about music. In general i'd say the pause. Right i mean the pregnant pause between notes also can be very powerful. The pause between so underrated. My god you know is like as well as the dissonance that that you know van resolution and you know this separation connections separation connection. It is so powerful if music is moving along at an even clip and there's never any tension there's never any pause what can still be quite beautiful but after a while it gets tiresome whereas will not tiresome boring maybe the word a when there are those pauses. Were just waiting waiting for the divine kiss. You know or the human kiss and get away for a second and then there is so much richer right like that. Good things come to those who wait indeed so all right Shall we talk about shiva. Lord shiva mantra for me again in my studies in the back in new york Before just tiptoeing into awareness around this chanting. I'm just now thinking about this. As i speak to you but chanting omnia masha via. And what that did for me. It was another really transcended experience for me is so that's always one of my favorites and i know on your new record. You've got a really beautiful Version of of you're very very long. Meditative version onuma. She is one of the ancient ancient mattress in an and of course. In in many of the yoga studios Will see picture statues of sheva. Dancing shiva is the deity of who sits at the end of every cycle. Whether it's a site universal cycle or whether it's just go down to the breath you know the end of the breath she is. That is that lord of transformation. He is called the destroyer his because he's the one who destroys illusion who rips away the veils but she has also very very benevolent. And he's considered to be the easiest aspect of god to invoke to to to ask for favors so to speak. She up he'll. He is often pictured. He lives on mount kailash which is right next to everest mount everest in tibet. It's a real real mountain and she has got a long long dreadlocks and he's in his his body is covered with ash. And he's got the ganges river descending from heaven into his top notch and then flowing gently down to earth and he is a really radical. Will we own no mashi via one of the more. I say universal understandings of what that mantra means. We're saying own which is the primordial sound and then mob is. I offer myself. I bow to i offer my will to the will to underachievers she via so. It's like saying not my will but i offer myself to the ocean of benevolent consciousness. Sheva i wanna talk about that. Thank you for that explanation and again. I'm learning all the more every time each year. I'm learning all the time too isn't isn't it grand so with them. I i hear a lot about duality. And it's something that i myself have Contemplate a lot. Just because i think were feel that we're supposed to always be happy and up and feel fantastic and sometimes you don't So you were talking about chiba As a destroyer. And i thought maybe we could talk a little bit about what that's meant for you Particularly in this last year For all of us in as we are in twenty twenty one at the moment as we speak but looking back on the last eighteen months. And i i'd like to ask specifically about the song that i mentioned that closes your record. Let me burn. you can talk a little bit about the devotion That really pours out of that song as well as the title track. Let me burn. So i'll let you kinda jump around between those two hundred globally personally individually. This has been a tough time and unfortunately it's not looking like it's completely over but when the when the pandemic started the there's a goddess actually the consort of shiva the beloved of lucia shocked who manifests in many many different forms. In one of her forms is karuna which means compassion. So i was started out by calling corona of his calling it karuna haroona mom and this is just framing for my own for my own. Hopefully psychological wellbeing. Maybe because i of course like everyone was completely freaked out. But when i could frame this thing as the divine mother. Mother earth compassionately destroying evil. You know the way sheva and his beloved shocked he does. I could feel more. Come and see what was happening. See the skies were getting clearer and and that the water's flowing more more freely. However as the months dragged. Donna's the munster don we know there. It was very very difficult. And i kept intention. You know i was doing weekly live streams and and really struck trying to stay connected with with people i was as we were social Distancing i was trying very hard to keep the intention of soul and heart. Not distancing of closeness gets even more close but that dichotomy between my own anxiety and my own fears as well as my own spiritual intentions creates friction and of fire and this fire was like you know i considered a purifying fire of my heart in the hearts of everyone. Who has that kind of intention. But we were burning and the earth is still burning in humanity is still burning and and i pray that the burning li it brings us to openness. You know i at the beginning of the pandemic thought well at the end of this. We're either going to have people standing after doors with shotguns. Or we're gonna have open heart communities working together to build and create nurture a world can last and now that the is semi over in california. We see that both things happen. Some people became much more locked in in fear isolation and other people became much more open and and grateful for the the community in the love that we have anyway it is hard work internally and and you know as i said it's still going on then want came to so that let me burn really reflects that yes. The last song comes a time. When wow we've just been through the wringer we've just been through it you know. I mean whether it's something that happens in somebody's personal life or this global ringer. The comes a time when we just take breath and even nfc no not over but for moment we just take a breath and we know that's really relax and and nurture our own hearts and hearts of people around us. Let's food chill out. And and so you know. I sang this Plan to make it thirteen and a half minutes. And i didn't plan to your. I thought i would add a lot of production and whatever to i. Didn't plan on leaving it. So who Bare you know. But when i started seeing i felt this piece you know this is heart full peace and i couldn't stop i. I didn't want to stop. And so i kept going and i kept going. I imagined it. You know just in my own imagination. Shiva's the destroyer. You know than. I imagined that after destroying this world that world he goes back to his beloved and he puts his dreadlocked head on her lap and she seems this lullaby. So that's michael. The after the fire chief lullaby is actually his beloved parvathi singing to him to calm him and to relax and to soothe him. After this intensity. I love that we'll make sure that the The link to that particular song is in the comments so that everyone can find it but chai's album let me burn is Up on Where you listen to digital music. And i think some cds availables well Thank you for posting that. Pretty picture up there So i'd like to talk about the concept of Because we're about transformation on the show so Into the fire. Let me burn. I mean it sounds kind of brutal But i know you've spoken a little bit about the global picture on what we're what we're letting go of and and having to release but Just in general. The metaphor of burning is transformation. If you'd like to give me your thoughts on that were. I think you just said that the anytime big change comes whether it's external or internal except we go through a period of feels like burning at least me you know. Some people are elected so easy with change. But i'm not when things change. And i am very change resistant. Which is funny because my wife nubia she. She's always rearranging the house and improving the house. But you know like it's different today. Anyway you know the the chain that fire that comes when transformation comes we we all go through it. We can use different metaphors for it but fired is one of the metaphors for transformation. And look you know. E- it just in the natural world fire turns to ash and following this metaphor We hope that what rises out from the fire that the ash that actually comes from the fires actually a newer us in a more shining more connected divinely. Inspired us you know. We hope that in any transformational period in our life. Sometimes it's easier sometimes it happens. You know the the the Heavens quickly sometimes. We struggled for a long time. But it's like a fire and you know so the story behind. Let me burn. My songs have a story and they don't have a story but there is a particular story ran this and it comes from an indian epic called the reminder and obviously. I can't tell this whole story. Now but sita the goddess has been abducted by by the demon king the embodiment of evil and her husband. Seat as husband. Rama goes on a quest to find her. And there's a a war happens and it's like a major a major epic so beautiful but at the end when the demons are defeated. There's some murmurings in in the populace will will see the has been in the kingdom of the demon robina for all. These months has she. Has she stayed true to her. Beloved and seat that. Here's this so she invokes the the god of fire ogoni. She says if i had been untrue to my beloved rama in thought word or even in a dream. Let me burn. Says she steps into the fire. The fire's shoot in wraps itself around her but her but she's unscathed and then that's why she says if i have been on untrue. Let me burn. But she doesn't burn and she steps out in in shining beatific. Glory in dioramas arms. Why do that is a beautiful story. all right. Well it's beautiful song. Too and i know that. It's quite an epic song and i'm happy to I think it's a great title track for that record. So another indian deity. We have to speak out and one of my favorite songs that you also sing is about initia- could share Yes i put out a double album of john songs. Oh gosh like two thousand five or two thousand four. I'm not even sure. And and the first song is a song to canessa. And i had a young child sing it with me. And her name is chirac. She was maybe six or seven it so so fun because before she even sang she said you have to pay me now but anyway ganesh. It is the elephant headed. God initially is one of the sons of sheva in poverty and as such. He has all the attributes of chiba but he is particularly known as the remover of obstacles from our path. And you know in in india anytime a new business or marriage or any new endeavor. Whether it's you know whatever you know. Any new endeavor started conditions always invoked at the beginning. Please remove the obstacles from our path so we have success in this in this endeavor and also get you you see the pictures of the statute is. He's missing one of his trunks. Or there's just a little stub of one of his strengths because when the composer of the ancient texts the vader's was looking for pani. Couldn't find a pan so he turned connection and gave trump to us as a pen to write. The vagus should always surrounded by piles of sweets and cookies cakes and stuff. He's a very much of an enjoyer as well. And so it's those are. Those are some really great anecdotes again. I didn't. I didn't think i didn't know he likes treat. So another reason to dig him. You know it's interesting. I love hearing these stories from you. Because i i think i came to the deities probably through mantras so in fact. I wasn't even thinking that. Masha via when i'm singing that it's like oh it sounded great but then i realized. Oh that's for sheva. And so. I just wanna say. Sometimes the indian daddy's are they're very foreign. Gye you know how do we westerners relate and what would be kind of an intro. And what was it like for you as you were understanding that. I know you went to india so that may have helped as it did me well for. I can't use myself as a very good example. Because as soon as i heard about first thing i ever saw like a picture i music music ever heard from india. I was in love with it. You know so. I had never had any of that or this is far. How do i get into it. I just never had that. But i will share a story. We were you know i. I teach for the last twenty years twice a year on campus. It's been a little different now with the with a pandemic we've been doing it online on a different kind of schedule. But for twenty years in the winter we'd go to a warm tropical wonderful place and we would spend a week or ten days teaching and exchanging and sharing your time and and all the the context and etcetera etcetera so one year. This quite a few years ago we were at lake octagon in guatemala and we were in three days into the cure. Tom camp and a woman. I know her at the time you know. We're friendly become friends. But she said having trouble with all this you got blue skin dodds you got elephant. God's monkey gods. i'm an atheist. And i don't know how to relate to all this. What would you suggest so. Rather than actually suggesting anything. I i asked her. Well how are you feeling about your belief system from it and just share with us. How you're feeling has your heart feeling is your body feeling. And she said she said a bunch of things she said i fall normally. I live a very flat emotional life and this last three days i find myself laughing. Famous tearing up and crying is very strange. But it's very beautiful to me. Also i never liked to connect with other people you know. I'm very solitary. I'm a loner. But now i find that that having these deep deep conversations with with all these people here and then she said you know also. I'm a city girl. And i'm not much into nature now the nature at lake ati ati ramallah's she says but now i'm looking at every flower looking at every tree in the lake in the mountains and oh so beautiful and i said i said to her you you could be the poster girl for cure tom. Because you were experiencing all the effects of it but you know we all have belief systems that live in our minds and and they're all valid and they're all wonderful but they not they don't necessarily need to be the leader of our lives that let the heartbeat the leader of the life of our lives. And and so you know. I suggested you know. Just follow your experience and don't think too much about it and you know well she. She's deep into cure time bach in all of this stuff now all these years later. I don't know it doesn't totally answer. Your question does though. I think that is incredible. Because she she got past the form of the monkey guide the elephant. God the god with dreadlocks and the ash all over him. What i love about this tradition. Is that each person can relate to it in their own way. You know some people would just get behind singing and the sound of the words and don't even wanna really know what the words mean and and other people really want to go into the context and and understand what the different deities well who they are. I guess you can say you know. Get more friendly with them and other people will just think this is the one. It's just the one just thinking into the one or some people don't even there's no even external god it's just or goddess is seeking to the the light inside of us and it's so beautiful that the practice of cureton just the whole realm of bhakti of devotion accommodates any belief that that anyone has i tell the story of the reminder that i just mentioned to sita i at our campsite. I spend seven days telling that story not not for the whole day. And i said you know you. You can take this as a really cool fairytale you can take it as a psychological map you can take it as pure history that this literal history you can take it as metaphor as as archetype or again it can be just you can take it as a fable. It doesn't even matter because they're so much potency within the story and within the names of the deities and ticket anywhere you like. That's the way i feel. I i love that and it definitely. Eight applies to me. Because as i mentioned in my story before i didn't necessarily know what i was singing. I just knew that I was lost for a little while in a good way like in a much needed way in a and i think it really provided an essential change in my life because i think i was you know just way too stressed out and if you are yeah i know our cultures. I know it's so true. And yet i definitely find that the mantra pick mantra. Any mantra doesn't necessarily even have to be hindu Sanskrit right it could be anything that just has a calming quality for you. I think many indigenous cultures have equivalent to cure tom. You know you you listen. African chanting communal call and response chanting with dancing and drumming. Certainly you know my wife is brazilian. And there's a whole culture in brazil of kenner trance calling response singing and dancing. I think it is part of the human dna to invoke spirit. You know both celebrate spirit as well as call for spirit to come through through repetition and through music melody through rhythm it seems to be part of society. Can it doesn't constricts that that that action but you know we're finding our way to to express his that is j. I heard an interview with you recently. And you described melody. And you. And i'm going to ask you to kind of see if you can fill in the words but you said it so perfectly. You're writing songs of love to these daddy's in to what they represent so talk to me a little bit about that. Songwriting process and and just really that. That's that parted the devotion so do not only the singing part. How you crafted these beautiful songs. Music is great thank you. We'll actually have so many different modes of songwriting often these days often. I'll be sitting with guitar. And just really noodling around doodling around focusing and just all just hear something and that will awake. Him might be a corridor to and that will sort of awaken a melody in me and sing. It might start seeing. It was just la la la but then just it becomes like a dialogue. That i'm having with with my grew by inner light you know and and my beloved and i'll just you know each time you sing it. You wanna see a little bit more beautiful to express your feelings whether the feelings are longing or whether feelings are just love. It's you know you want to express it in the most beautiful beautiful beautiful way that you can. Many at my songs come from improvising. You know like. I'll be singing and sometimes even in public. But i'll be singing. I'll be improvising. And and just refining each each repetition of the melody. I'm just refining it until it feels like the the most perfect expression of the feelings that i'm feeling in that moment find anything about doing songs over and over and over again is you might have been feeling one thing when you compose the song but the next time you performing. You're not exactly feeling the same thing so so. I do leave a lot of room for improvisation. it's eighty in my concerts. But you know. I studied with all the barcon. Great great one of the great indian classical musicians many many many years and his his the refinement of his melodic sense and also kind of like complete recognition of melody as being a connection to the divine realms. You know really earth than me this adoration for for the beautiful melody. I try to share that. As much as i can and we feel it and i hope we get to see you out on the road again really soon so i wanted to tell you one thing about our show. Jay is that It started off. And i met our producer tony sweet and ufo conference. And i was kinda of mentioning that in our we were getting warmed up for this for this talk. And i've got a ufo story so what he has something you wanna share o. Yeah i do. I really do so this happened. I don't know maybe thirty years ago. I guess once he turned seventy. It's hard to remember when things happened. But i was in south india and i was it staying in temple. Hunt him on. His monkey died the votes of rama and it was a temple dedicated to my grew named curly baba who had left his body. But i was visiting there and and my indian spiritual mother whose name was city mar was staying there for a while. I was i was staying at this. It was very rustic was out in the jungles in south india and it was really really just awesome place to be survey one afternoon late. After nine sticking walk there was dirt pass. It was a little village nearby. It was just taking and as i was walking back well. The sunset came in it became dark and then in the distance i see this little light multicolored fired. Trust the sky and then it it went over the temple. It stopped above the temple. Where i was staying and it started hovering and then i could see that it was actually a cylinder and around the the cylinder was was multicolored lights and it was just floating above the temple and goddess totally weird. Because i never been let ufo oriented so to speak and but it was. It was really powerful to see and then then it just got smaller and smaller and smart and smaller and then disappeared. So i went back to the temple. And and i i saw city marshal's elder lady and she was in a in a room with a bunch of elder ladies. And i told you know. I just saw this. Ufo over hovering over the temple and then disappeared as she laughed and she said do people in the west. Call them ufo's but we know that these are the vehicles the chariots of the gods and goddesses and the ancient saints and sages evolved and and she said the just last week. I was in the mountains. And i saw what looked like a vw. Bus flying from ridge to ridge. And i saw that. It was the chariot of goddess durga. But i thought. I might be crazy so i called my friends and everybody saw it. So we're laughing. And and what can i say. I've conclusion was it. A ufo was at a chariot of one of the gods. Or maybe that's ufo's are. I don't know that's my story exactly. No it's an incredible perspective. And how beautifully does it tie in with all the wonderful stories. You've told us today gye so thank you for joining us here. Transform indeed and You know we really appreciate you and and just even with your storytelling feel that that devotional love is really uplifting. So thank you. And i encourage everybody to listen. Gye with hall and Utah you won't you. Won't you'll feel too so thanks to everybody for watching and This is truth toll transformation until the next time. I'm bonnie burkard nama stay.

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The Sacred Mountain, Part 1

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

49:50 min | 2 years ago

The Sacred Mountain, Part 1

"Are you scared about the possibility of a second American civil war? I'm Robert Evans. I'm the host of the podcast behind the bastards. And I've worked as a conflict journalist in a couple of actual civil wars in Iraq and in Ukraine, and I'm here to tell you I am scared of that possibility. If you wanna know, what might be awaiting your friends and your family, listen to it could happen here. You can listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome stuff to blow your mind a production. I heart radio has networks. Hey, you working to step to blow your mind? My name is Robert lamb. And I'm Joe McCormick. Today. We are going to be discussing the sacred mountain. Of course, there's not just one sacred mountain. There are many sacred mountains. In fact, you know, you're probably close to one right now because they're all over the world, we discussed this a little bit in our recent episode about pressure where we were talking about how how the atmosphere gets thinner, of course, as you go higher up, and one of the things we started talking about was whether you know, whether that might have anything to do with the prevalence of sacred or holy mountains in religious and cultural beliefs all around the world because once you start looking for them. They're everywhere in every continent. I guess maybe not so much Antarctica. But every other continent, you know, they're they're mountain top monasteries. There are mountains that are believed to be homes of the gods. There mountains that are places of worship mountains that are places of sacrifice mountains that are believed to be forbidden or. You know, otherwise magically, you know, barred. Yeah. And they they really are in in just about every culture. So what we wanted to do in this pair of episodes for stuff to blow your mind is to really get into the idea of the sacred mountain. So this first episode is really going to be more about first of all why do we have these different feelings about mountains? Why do mountains invoke these different ideas and feelings in the human mind, and then we're going to run through some notable examples of sacred mountains, I have to drill drive home that this will not be an exhaustive. Mention of every sacred mountain tradition. I'm Cherie gonna leave off some very good ones. Some very notable cultural examples, we just can't cover them all, but we'll try and cover enough of them to give you a nice grounding. And then of course, if you have a favorite sacred mountains that you visited or just read about you can write into us, and perhaps we'll share those future. Listener mail episode. And then that second episode that we're going to do about sacred mountains is going to get more into the psychology, and the neuroscience and how and to what extent high altitude conditions could contribute to this interpretation of the sacred and the holy on mountains and on the tops of mountains. That's right. And the we are going to look all over the world and various places today. I think one place I wanted to start with is the mountain you might be less familiar with in Greek religion. Oh, yeah. Because you're probably instantly thinking we'll Mount Olympus, that's where the gods are home of the gods. That's where the plot and all of their nefarious ends. But what about mount like, hey on home of the holy wear wool for the not. So the the unholy wear wolf, the sanctuary of Zeus, the birthplace of Zeus and the altar of blood sacrifice. Yeah. Invokes a number of the different ideas. We're going to be discussing here. So we wanted to read just a little bit from Sania. Sania a historian. He wrote description of Greece in this is from the second century see in this section eight. This is another one of those old tax. You can find in full translated online, the we're just gonna read a couple of paragraphs from it. Okay. On the highest point of the mountain is a mound of earth forming an altar of Zeus lie ks and from it. Most of the Pilipinas can be seen before the altar on east stint two pillars on which there were of old gilded eagles on this altar. They sacrifice in secret to like he and Zeus. I was reluctant to pry into the details of the sacrifice. Let them be as they are. And were from the beginning on the east side of the mountain. There is a sanctuary of Apollo surnamed Paseo they also give him the name pithy in. They hold every year a festival in honor of the God and sacrifice in the marketplace. A bore to Apollo. Helper? And after the sacrifice here they at once carry the victim to the sanctuary of per Hossien Apollo in procession to the music of the flute cutting out the thigh-bones, they'd burn them and also consume the meat of the victim on the spot. So here we get a description of like sacrifices of a boar though, there have been rumors for a long time. That human sacrifice was something that happened. You know that you would kill humans and offer them up to like he and Zeus on Mountlake s so we should at least situate this. It mentioned that you could see the whole Peloponnese, but Mountlake Aon now is a it is a mountain in the region of Arcadia, which is long believed to be sort of the symbol or paragon of beautiful unspoiled wilderness. And that's down in the Peloponnese and Zeus like K ass- is essentially wolf Zeus is. Yeah, it's like his his wolf Power Ranger form. Yeah. The all everything you expect from from Zeus king of the gods except a also with with Lou. Lupine properties. And there are a lot of stories about sort of the history of this mountain and the name like Mountlake. Hey on some telling is said to be the birthplace or the home of Zeus. But also it's named for king. Like, hey on of Arcadia. Who was of course, in some myths foolish enough to mess with the gods of the Greek pantheon, domestic always mistake. Yeah. So according to odds telling in the metamorphosis, the king tried to trick Zeus into eating human flesh and Zeus retaliated by turning him into a wolf or turning him into aware wolf. And I wanna read this part of the poem as told in Ovid's metamorphosis as translated by Garth Dryden. Okay. Let's divide it Robert you you do this first section here. This dire experiment. He chose to prove if I were mortal or undoubted Jove, but first he had resolved to taste my power nod long before but in a luckless, our some Leggate sent from the Malaysian state. We're on a peaceful errand come to treat of these. He murders. One he boils the flesh and lays the mangled morsels in a dish, some part, he roasts then serves it up so dressed and bids me, welcome to this humane feast. Okay. So the king capture some dudes burns them, and then offers them up to Zeus like here. Try it. I presuming I think to trick Zeus into eating this human flesh Zeus continues moved with disdain the table. I are turned and with the avenging flames the palace burned the tyrant in a fright for shelter gains. The neighbouring feels and scours along the planes howling. He fled and Fain. He would have spoke, but human voice, his brutal tongue. Forsook about his lips. The gathered foam, he turns and breathing slaughters still with rage. He burns. But on the bleeding flock. His fury turns his mantle now his hide with rugged hairs cleaves to his back a famished face. He bears his arms descend his shoulder slink away to multiply his legs for chase of pray. He grows a wolf his holiness remains in the same rage. In other members rains his is still sparkle in. A narrower space. His jaws retain the grin and violence of his face. And according to some I remember correctly, this is this kind of the birth of the werewolf. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is this is one if not the earliest accounts, you'll find of someone turning into a lupine form. I don't remember. If we discussed the story in the episode. We did about the first monster about like, the where what was the origin of beliefs in beings, embodying both human and animal forms mixed together. We might have mentioned this. But of course, a part from this myth, which I don't think this is a historical record in any case of where we'll transformation the the the despite the story of king like, hey on. And all this the the mountain like hand was in, you know, without a doubt a holy site. In some versions of Greek religion since it was sort of the home birthplace of Zeus. And it was also a place where blood sacrifices and burnt offerings disease were brought. And it's long been known that animals, were sacrificed and burn to Zeus here. But recently, there's been some there's been some chilling discoveries. Archaeologists at the sanctuary of Zeus have been excavating a giant ancient mound of ash about one hundred feet or about thirty meters wide and that was the site of these animal sacrifices, mostly sheep and goats beginning around the sixteenth century BC ISA going way back in two thousand sixteen. It was announced that they had found human remains hearing the found the skeleton of an adolescent male from what appears to be think it's not positive, but it really looks like this was a human sacrifice from around the eleventh century BC. And of course, this wouldn't be the only case where we know of human sacrifice likely taking place up on a mountain. Like, I think about the, you know, going to the to South America, the children of you. I co- or you Jakko, right? And in the late nineties at some point they discovered three. The Inca child mummies there that we're up on the summit of the mountain is not known for sure what that is. But it appears to be a form of human sacrifice that was taking showing the religious significance of the mountain there too interesting. So I think this is a great example to start with here. It embodies a number of different things here. Pilgrimage just the view mentioning just how much you can see from up there and the idea to that this Pachulia the place to put you in in closer contact with the divine with the gods. But now I'd like to talk just a little bit about the importance of geography and a naturally occurring forms as metaphors. Yeah. We've talked about this a good bit on the show before. But you know, you can find route branch tree river iconography all over the place. I I think back to our episode on the Trident as well. Which according to some theories was originally based on a fig leaf. See ancient people turn to natural forms as a way of thinking about the world and kind of Externalizing thought, and and you see that in in in every human tradition. So it should come as no surprise that mountain speak to us as well. After all a sacred mountain is just one part of an overall sacred geography, and I think that's important to note like ancient peoples they wouldn't have thought like this is just land over here, and that's a lake river, and oh this mountain that places. Holy this the gods live. No, the oceans the mountains the earth itself the rivers all that comes into play for a when you're considering a sacred view of the world or of the universe yet. The you know, I kind of think though that we might be kind of unusual as far as like people in history go given that most of most of us in the people listening to this show, probably. Most of their exposure to religion is like to monotheism 's like Christianity, Judaism Islam, which I would say is far as religions go. Have unusually low investments in geography and the land because if you go to ancient pagan religions or indigenous religions of of of Europe and Africa and Asia and the Americas. You find all kinds of like stories about how the land that self was created and like like off the very common story is that the land and the features of the land were features of monsters that were slain by or the features of a body of God that died long ago. Yeah. Or they have particular connections to holy sites that are geographically unique in significant for being unique. I mean, I I guess Christianity. Islam Judaism have geographical locations that are wholly, but that's mainly four like what is believed to be their historical role right events that took place there. Structures that either were there are or are still there and some former another, and that's certainly a part of it is we'll discuss, but they're very so the ways to to look at at sacred mountains and sacred geography, and why those places considered sacred. So just I think one important thing to keep in mind is something I the most of us can relate to and that is just the idea of a mountain or an impressive photo of one will likely summon feelings of grandeur or intimidation adventure. Peace efforts seclusion wonder or indeed connection to the heavens. I mean, this is why you see in a posters and images and paintings of mountains. I mean, they are they're beautiful to behold and we travel to the mountains. And then we stand a either atop the mountain or certainly at a nice vista. And we we take it all in, and it it it summons feeling that someone's emotions and takes us outside of ourselves e o Wilson talks about this a little bit. When he's discussing the bio feely hypothesis in. I think this is in the context of him generally talking about evolutionary explanations for our aesthetic preferences. Like, why is it so often that pictures, we find beautiful include vistas from a high point of view, you know, being able to look down over a landscape and offer some possible evolutionary explanations for that, you know, maybe this is like a more defendable point where you can see things coming towards you. But yeah, it's hard to deny that when I see a mountain. I I don't know if everybody feels this way as much as I do when I see a mountain. I want to go up it, I've never done mountain climbing. I've done hiking and stuff, but I do want to go up to the top of the highest point in look down. We'll see I think you, and I are different in this regard. We've talked before on on the show about how you have no problem like walking up to the edge of a cliff. Right. I'm a little more reluctant to do that. But still have I see like a crazy cliff or peak or. Or images of people mountain climbing. I do put my imagine myself up there and often terrify myself with the with the prospect on so I feel like that kind of like mental transportation is inevitable. But. A couple of other things about just how we think about mountains, a common trope in various mythologies, and we'll touch on some specific examples here in a bit are that the mountain or at least the mountain peak on some level connects earth to the sky, so it might be like a sky pillar situation where the mountain is holding up the cosmos, holding up the heavens, holding up the sky, or it is in some way, an umbilical or a ladder, and or the mountain itself serves as a, you know, an an access Monday, the central tent pole of sacred cosmos, a stairway to heaven if you will. Well, that's really interesting because especially pairs with older ways of thinking about the sky. You know, it's not all that uncommon for ancient peoples to have conceived of the sky as a place with solid ground that you could walk around in like a firmament there's a dome over the earth. And and so you might wonder what what does something hold up the dome if they're solid ground up there that the gods can walk around in. There must be something holding it up, and so you can imagine we'll maybe a mountain holds it up. That's the obvious answer. In fact, assez oh, you can see where this this complex. We've emerges of an attempt to understand. What is what you physically whether you're actually observing? What is the objective reality? And then also these mythic ideas, like what does about dot structure and and in center and the importance of place in identity. There's also from a practical since the fact that to stand top great height is to gain a crucial vantage point. Yeah. In some cases, that could be fairly strategic, right? This is the Wilson thing shouldn't. Yeah. He could see the movements of of herd animals, you could see the movements of enemy troops etcetera. But I also wonder if it could be something a little more existential. I wonder if if such heights could be considered possibly capable of invoking something like the overview effect that proposed state of mind, or you know, state of euphoric interconnectedness that ensues when one sees the planet earth from outer space. It's not quite the same certainly. But I'm wondering if perhaps that affect scales down to some extent, I can absolutely see that. So some astronauts report, they look out the window, the international space station, or of their, you know, their vehicle, and they see the earth from space, and suddenly it just comes into sharp focus that that our, you know, petty. Squabbles are exactly that they're petty. You know, that they've vanish in the face of the fact that we're all trapped on this ball together. And. And it makes human concerns looks small and makes people feel a strong sense of sort of the common interest of all humanity and the connectedness of all of our concerns because the fate of the earth is the fate of all of us. And yeah, I can absolutely see that happening. I mean, so imagine you normally you live in a small village or a city where you are. You know, you you've got your day to day concerns, you're angry with your neighbor. You've got your politics that you're doing if you're like, a priest or something, and then you go up on a mountain, and then you look down at the place where you come from the village or the city or the farms and suddenly everything looks tiny this basic shift in visual and optical perspective. Could very well. Trigger kind the same kind of mental shift that people experience when they go into space. Yeah. Absolutely. I was doing a little reading about about some of these ideas. I ran across next one little paper by Edwin Birnbaum, titled in sacred mountains themes, and teachings and this is from mountain research and development twenty six. And the author does a great job of just laying out some basics. For instance, lays out three basic ways that mountains are considered sacred. And we can as I lay these out, you can certainly think two examples we've discussed already, and I think these are also these full in considering examples discuss in the rest of the podcast, so Birnbaum says first specific peaks are singled out as places of sanctity. They are supported by myths and practices such as pilgrimages, meditation and even sacrifice number two. They may contain sacred sites or objects like temples or shrines or even something more natural like spring and the number three the natural setting itself awakens, a sense of wonder and all right all three of these tend to work together Birnbaum says on an individual's experience with the sacredness of a mountain. Furthermore, Birnbaum defined kin themes frequently seen in sacred mountains. So they are roughly height center power. God a guy either the mountain is a God itself. Where is the home of gods? The non is a place of worship the mountain is a paradise or garden is a place where the ancestors of the dead may reside a source of cultural identity, a source of healing or or just a source of water, which makes sense because I mean, help goes downhill exactly and also as a place of renewal. So these are again ten broad themes that Birnbaum identifies in the identity and characterization of sacred mountains. All right. Well, we can look for these examples of mountains that we talk about. So maybe I'll offer up one example of a mountain to think about and then maybe after that take a break and then look at some others. Okay. But this first one is one I mentioned in the episode where we talked about pressure because I think it's a commonly cited example of very important. Holy mountain. That's holy. In multiple religions, not just one. And this would be the peak was it's a peak in the Himalayas known as mount Kailash mount Kyla. And so this is a whole. Mountain in multiple religions in Hinduism. This mountain is believed to be the abode of Lord Shiva, the destroyer of evil and of his wife Parvathi who together sit in meditation at the summit of the mountain. And so the sight of mount Kailash is a destination of pilgrimage for many Hindus who climb fifteen thousand feet or about four point six kilometers up this ascent path to the base of the mountain, but do not climb it summit. In fact, climbing the sacred summit is forbidden, and the well, we can't know for sure it's often said that the summit has never been climbed by human. Instead, it's believed virtuous for pilgrims to walk in a circle around the base of the mountain, but not go up to the summit. And this, of course, is not just a holy site for Hindus as it was saying, but it's also holy for Buddhists for Jane's. And for people of the indigenous religion of Tibet known his bone. Yes. Very int animist religion. Yeah. Now if you look at what? A picture of mount Kailash looks like from below. I mean, I would say, obviously, I already know this about it when I've seen pictures of it. But it's not hard to see how a person looking up at this. Peak would begin to think that something powerful and holy in forbidden resided there. It does not look welcoming to ascend like it doesn't look easy to climb. And I think there's something powerful about that too to see a place and think I am especially today's day and age to think a wonder if people have ever been on that spot has a person ever stood there in the answer is even possibly no there is something kind of sacred about that. Like, we've we've pretty much screwed everything else up. But that one peak is is pristine you will not find a slim Jim rapper there. Yeah. And that does seem important, right? I mean, part of the issue is anytime there's a mountain that people say has not been climbed. Obviously people are going to want wanna climate. So I've been reading there's political controversy over this. It's like, I think there was one point. I read a a team of Spanish mountain climbers who announced that they were going to climb the mountain. But it's a it's a holy site. You're not supposed to climate even though I think the team they were there were not Hindus the so they didn't share this belief about the religious forbidden of the mountaintop. But the government authorities prevented them from climbing the mountain, I think just because they wanted to avoid this leading to unrest or just to I guess being seen as an insult to to people who believe that the mountain should not be climbed. I mean, I do tend to wonder if people just started climbing a mountain like this all the time. Would it kind of break the spell of this story? Would it make people would it make the mountain seem less? Holy. I don't know. That's something to consider. And after we come back from this next break, we're gonna take that consideration into specific examples not only with actual mountains, and some of the sacred ideas about them. But then we'll also be looking at some some Mitha logical and even fictional mountains, which I guess are kind of inherently safe from from now climbers laundering, where they're not supposed to be earlier this year in an interview. With Breitbart news, President Donald Trump said that in the event of a civil conflict in the United States. He believed the military and the police as well as civilian groups like the bikers for Trump would be on his side. 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I think one, of course, mountaineer ru this is a great example of a mythical holy mountain one that serves as a world access in Hindu. Jane, Buddhist cosmetology, for instance, in Tibetan, Mandanas, these really complex and important works of art. That are all about conveying visually conveying complex, the logical ideas. You'll see mountaineer ru sometimes situated as the center of things surrounded by seven oceans, seven concentric mountain ranges and beyond these ranges, another ocean and islands. It's it's all an unreal Gye geography, you know, ended that a very sacred and symbolic geography a spatial representation of a rich and complex cosmetology. In in a similar of frame of mind. And this is one that's this completely fictional. It's not a part of any buddies mythology. But if you're familiar with the Dante's, divine comedy, we of course, have the three books, right? We we begin with the inferno. We've Dench eventually in book three wind up in paradise. But to get there Dante and Virgil have to scale the mount of purgatorio, the the the earthly purgatory. So this is a mountain that is that extends from earth to the threshold of heaven and at the very top of the mountain at the very peak. That's where the earthly paradise is located the Eden of of the Old Testament in Christian traditions. Okay. So this does this makes more sense. Also, if you know something about like, medieval Catholic theology, right, which which had this belief in the idea of purgatory where it wasn't hell. No. You weren't condemned there forever. But you were basically a good Christian. But you did some sins that were not atoned for. And so you have to go to purgatory before you can get to heaven Ryan. So you spend some time there in, you know, it's not hell, but it's not nice. It's not pleasant. And you're stuck there until you essentially serve out your sentence your purified of your sin, and then you can be admitted into heaven, right? It is a literary symbolic representation of penitent Christian life again. No one holds that. The amount of purgatory is a real place it in very much a part of the literature here. But it does serve as kind of a nice example of some of the same ideas of of mythological. Holy mountains will one thing. I do like about the idea of of holy mountains, including purgatory actually the amount of purgatory is that they do seem like an indication of older versions of relief. Region that were more that could be situated on earth because the lots of parts of earth. We didn't know about right? You know? So like Dante could say, well, yes, you can enter hell through a cave here. And you go down then you can go up the mountain of purgatory, and that's over here. And that would be okay. Because you know, there is lots of the earth that he didn't know what was there. You could just assume it somewhere undiscovered? Yeah. Now, they're of course, plenty of actual mountains that are considered sacred either by association with a mythical world mountain you see that from time to time where there's a mythological mountain, and then a nearby mountain becomes associated with the same size, same ideas traditions. And then if we if we as we have explored in past episodes. There's also the added dimensions of various pyramids Ziggurats that have been constructed as a sort of artificial mountain allowing the people who built them to participate in mountain top sacred rites and observances in some cases in regions where such peaks are. Are are not readily available will. Yeah. And just like in the case say like in mount Kailash, where it is believed that Lord Shiva and Parvathi are dwell on top of the mountain the ziggurat, I think is interpreted by many modern scholars to have been thought to be a home of the gods by the people who use them. So like, the maybe the priests would go up there and do some kind of right? But it was also believed that the God would come down and like sleep the night on the top of the ziggurat or my made even live there for some period. Absolutely. You know in another quick thing. I want to mention in looking at at various mountainous. I noticed that you know, primordial beings often form mountains out of the soil, or as we mentioned earlier they their bodies or the bodies of loved ones become the mountains. And and you know, it's it's easy to sort of take the formation amounts for granted with even just sort of, you know, a casual understanding say plate tectonics. Yes. And so forth, and basically just a surface level understanding of geology, but imagine trying to understand what a mountain was if you really had no idea about any of these things. I mean, unless you were witnessed to volcanic eruption. Are you know, there there there are no mountain formation processes that are going to be readily observable? And so it makes as much sense if anything to turn to some of these these these these purely mythological and cosmic explanations for why they're there. Well, you can get even weirder with it. I mean, one of my favorite examples is the coolest place I've ever been the mount Stephen trial, abide beds up in Britain mount Stephen British Columbia, which is part of the Burgess shale formation that I went to a couple of years ago. And so you try to imagine that not having a any kind of scientific understanding you go up a mountain and then up near the top. There's just like a cliff where pieces of of ROY. Rocker shearing off. And they've got the imprint of strange under sea monsters on them. And it's like you'd have no idea of figuring out how so this once was sedimentary rock at the bottom of an ocean. And it has been pushed up and made into a mountain over hundreds of millions of years. Yeah. Even knowing the geologic geological processes in in in place here. It's still amazing to behold and well beyond the scope of a human lifetime, and and and really sort of natural human perception. Absolutely. So just run through some more examples here folding mountains that kinda give a nice overview of some of these different different ideas. I was reading about the the din. Hey, Bonnie, the Navajo creation myth complete with the creation and recreation of the sacred mountains across five worlds. So that involves the idea that four other worlds preceded the one that we live in now. And this is an idea the pops up in various missile American. Native American religions for the Aztecs Kuwata Pek served as the mythical sacred mountain the serpent mountain in their mythical homeland of Aslan, and according to Nicoletta mastery on thought co the great temple of T knocked Alon is thought to be a replica of this holy mountain. So another example of recreating the holy mountain an artificial holy mountain created, you know, in the the likeness of a mythological form in Norse mythology human Bjorg is the mountain where the by frost connects Asgard and mid guard. This is home of the God him doll. And then there's also perhaps the less famous nearby org. And this is the hiding place of the Mead of poetry. Oh, yeah. Mount Fuji is important in Japanese culture. It represents according to burn bomb quote quest for beauty and simplicity that lies. The heart of Japanese culture. And I think yeah. Mount Fuji is is one of these examples that like, it's it's a cultural it's part of cultural pride like it is a part of the natural geography that people can take pride in and find a sense of identity in one thing. I think every time I see an image of Mount Fuji. Is it just looks very visually. Perfect is very like gracefully sloped and symmetrical only can like it is a work of art. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. If you go to Tanzania, you'll find mount Kilimanjaro and some of the that the sh- Chagas people of that region. Their myths and beliefs about the doorman volcano hold that it contains gateways to the spirit world. In Chinese mythology though there a few different holy mountains of note. One is mount boo or Buju, Sean and its associated with the the premier mountains in central Asia. And it's one of the sky pillars holding up the heavens and against the mountain trope found in various cultures. There's a a myth in which it was damaged by the water Dodd gung gong in his ancient battle for supremacy against the yellow emperor. And then after the emperor's victory. The goddess new had to repair the damage, but in Chinese myth, the the the Coon loon mountain is perhaps the most important as described in the excellent handbook of Chinese mythology by Yang on Turner. It is not only a key pillar of the sky, but also on a boat of gods and immortals, and they're really a lot of descriptions of it and its various, fountains, magical, trees, magical and. Annals it's really an entire sacred ecology unto itself, and if there's a particular magical plant magical item or sacred water that you wish to obtain then Coon is the place, you'll find it. It's got it. All yeah. It's it's it's everything it includes it it holds for instance, the sweet spring and emerald lake the parole tree. The Jade tree the tree of immortality cinnabar river, which prevents death. If you drink it the week river where nothing floats. So it has has all the magical items in just scaling it. And and scaling to the appropriate terrace on the mountain, according to some traditions means that you can take on divine powers yourself over natural forces, perhaps acquire immortality. Or even take on spirit status yourself again, provided you know where to climb and you can survive the dangers various important mythic events are sometimes set on the mountain, including the goddess new ause marriage to her brother and the subsequent population of the world. So again, that's just a this is a few examples. There's so many other sacred mountains that that we didn't either didn't have time to include or just didn't have time to research. But again, if we left one out that you're particularly fond of or you visited yourself a certainly right into us. Well, in these I would point out are just the sacred mountains that have accumulated like myths with staying. Our layers because I would say there are a number of now pretty well. Observed phenomena that would under normal circumstances be creating new sacred mountain myths all the time, and maybe we should explore that when we come back from break everybody did you ever want to twenty fifth hour in the day. Well, we can't do that. But if you listen to before breakfast host Laura Vander Cam can help you get a little more out of each day Laura's, the author of several time management and productivity books including Juliet school of possibilities off the clock and one hundred sixty eight hours. These are tips that have worked for her for people. She admires and that she's learned from feedback from listeners like you so wake up with before breakfast every weekday morning just like that first Cup of coffee. It'll help you feel like you can take on the world one productivity tip at a time. You'll find it on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. We're back we've discussed all these mythological ideas about about mountains and sacred mountains. But a well, let's get into some more recent accounts that shed light on some of the things that are happening when humans go to great heights. All right. So I wanna talk about an English mountaineer named Frank Smythe who was famous and accomplished as a climber in his day in nineteen thirty three he attempted to reach the summit of Mount Everest. And if he had been successful he would have been the first person in history to do it. But he failed. He fell short by only about three hundred meters or a thousand feet, which I'm sure is very frustrating. When you know, you're that close, and you can see it, and you can't make it up. But of course, once you hit those kind of altitudes, you're facing a lot of problems number one. He would have been climbing without a oxygen assistance. This is something that climbers today obviously benefit from. But. Smith described in a firsthand account after this experience a strange set of things that he saw and felt while he was alone on this climb. So I just wanted to read if you sections from a from a piece that Smythe wrote called Mirages at twenty eight thousand feet Smyth wrote quote during my solitary climb to curious phenomena were experienced it is with great diffidence that I described them. And then only at Rutledge is the the expedition leaders request, I prefer to draw no inferences from them in merely to describe them. The first was one that is by no means unique in has been experienced in the past by solitary Wanderers now not only in mountains, but on desert, wastes and in polar regions all the time that I was climbing alone. I had a strong feeling that I was accompanied by a second per. Person. This feeling was so strong that it completely eliminated. All loneliness. I might otherwise have felt it even seemed that I was tied to my companion by a rope. And that if I slipped he would hold me, I remember constantly glancing back over my shoulder, and once when after reaching my highest point, I stopped to try and eat some mint cake, I carefully divided it and turned around with one half in my hand. It was almost a shock to find. No, one to whom to give it it seemed to me that this presence was a strong, helpful and friendly one. And it was not until camp. Six was cited that the link connecting me as it seemed at the time to the beyond was snapped. And although Shipton in the camp were but a few yards away. I suddenly felt alone the second phenomenon may or may not have been an optical illusion. Personally. I am convinced that it was not I was still some two hundred feet. Above camp six and a considerable distance horizontally from it win chancing to glance in the direction of the north ridge. I saw two curious looking objects floating in the sky, they strongly resembled, kite balloons, and shape, but one possessed what appeared to be squat underdeveloped wings in the other of trooper in suggestive of a beak, they hovered motionless, but seem slowly to pull Seda pulls ation incidentally, much slower than my own heartbeats, which is of interest supposing that it was off to call allusion. The two objects were very dark in color, and we're silhouetted sharply against the sky or possibly a background of clouds. So interested was I that I stopped to observe them. My brain appear to be working normally and I deliberately put myself through a series of tests. First of all I glanced away. The objects did not follow my vision. But they were still there when I looked back again, then I looked away again, and this time identified by name a number of peaks valleys in glaciers, by way of a mental test. But when I looked back. Again, the object still confronted me at this. I gave them up as a bad job. But just as I was starting to move again amiss suddenly drifted across gradually they disappeared behind it in a minute or two later. It had drifted clear exposing the whole of the north ridge once more they had vanished as mysteriously as they came. Strange experiences when climbing Everest alone. Now, this third man syndrome in particular is not at all unique to smile as he points out. In fact, reports like this come for many people in lonely struggles were survival seems to be at risk. There were reports from the Ernest Shackleton expedition through an article in nineteen sixteen that they often believe there to be another companion among them. Yes. There was one piece in the British medical journal in two thousand eight where a doctor, and so this is much more recent where a doctor and mountain climber named Jeremy Windsor described his own firsthand experiences of this kind when he was climbing Mount Everest. He wrote, quote, I I met Jimmy on the balcony a cold windswept snow shelf high up on the southeast ridge of Mount Everest at an altitude of more than eight thousand two hundred meters are introduction had been brief with little more than a muffled. Hello and. A few words of encouragement passing between us over my right shoulder obscured by the bulky oxygen mask and the rim of down that smothered my face. I was sure I could see Jimmy moving lightly in the darkness. But despite him remaining close by me for the rest of the day. I didn't see him again at the time hadn't worried me. Instead, I was warmed by the thought of human company and to breathless to question, what seemed so real if the truth be told in my thoughts were really nothing more than brief flickers of images or sounds that vanished with the onset of each new breath. So once again, a mysterious other accompanying someone as they scaled great heights. Yeah. And so in the middle of this. I was actually reading an NPR article about this phenomenon that reminded me of a haunting passage in the fifth section of TSA. Elliott's the wasteland the section entitled what the thunder said, which is a an idea taken from the Apollo shots. But of course, that already implies the idea of. Like hearing voices coming from something other than people, you know, hearing voices in the thunder. But it mentioned something like this other companion or what's known as third man syndrome or third man factor. And I went back and reread this section of the poem. And it was really interesting given what we're discussing here. It's talking about a journey through the mountains. I'm not sure exactly who's making this journey in the context of the poem may be kinda disembodied. It might be implied that this journey is part of the search for the holy grail, which is a part of that poem. But but I could be wrong about that. And it's got this idea of the experience of an unseen third companion. So Elliott writes here is no water, but only rock rock and no water and the sandy road the road winding above among the mountains, which are mountains of rock without water. If there were water, we should stop and drink amongst the rock one cannot stop or think sweat as dry and feeder in the sand. If there were only water amongst the rock dead. Mountain mouth of curious teeth that cannot spit here. One can neither stand nor lie nor sit there is not even silence in the mountains, but dry sterile thunder without rain. There is not even solitude in the mountains, but read sullen faces near and snarl from doors of mud cracked houses. And then a little bit further down Elliott says who is the third who walks always beside you when I count there were only you and I together, but when I look ahead up at the white road. There is always another one walking beside you gliding wrapped in a Brown. Mantle hooded, I do not know whether a man or woman, but who is that on the other side of, you know, of course, Elliott is writing before I think this is in the early nineteen twenties. So Elliott's writing before Smyth's account is published of that. So this is a phenomenon that had already been observed, but it seems to be especially common among mountain climbers. And it's not the only strange perceptual. Family that's often reported by mountain climbers. Think also of Smyth's second phenomenon where he witnesses what you're reading about Robert this strange floating balloon creatures that that were just up there over the peak. And so it's extremely common for mountain climbers. To report strange experiences perceptions, mystical encounters in the pursuit of high mountain peaks, and obviously given these modern accounts, it's not hard at all to to imagine that they may have if something similar was going on in the ancient world they may have played some role in the formation of religious beliefs about mountains. Absolutely. I think it's it's it's it's very fascinated to think about and of course, we don't wanna fall into the trap of of saying that all supernatural ideas about the mountains can be attributed to whatever's going on with man's syndrome. Right. But you can certainly imagine. How in some cases, it might help to produce and myths concerning. Ng into dis. God's in the mountains or strengthen those examples the strength in those traditions that are already set in place. Well, yeah. Looking back to Birnbaum 's themes that are often seen with sacred mountains. Of course, there's the idea that that mountains are often gods or the home of God's or the body of God's it might be a place to go worship the gods. But also like a couple of things he mentions are the idea of like ancestors or the dead or might have something to do with mountains. And you can clearly see how a hallucinated third person or second person or companion on a journey. Could be interpreted as an ancestor often when people when people hallucinate presences helping them they are interpreted to be ancestors. And also the idea of mountains being a place of pilgrimage, you know, if you're making this journey someone could be there with you to make the pilgrimage all right on that note. We're going to close out this episode, but we are going to pick right back up in the next episode of stuff to blow your mind. 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How Early Childhood Attachment Sets Your Relationship Patterns  Daniel P. Brown, Ph.D., with Dave Asprey : 718

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How Early Childhood Attachment Sets Your Relationship Patterns Daniel P. Brown, Ph.D., with Dave Asprey : 718

"High performance. You're listening to bulletproof radio with Dave asprey. The crazy fast rate of new discoveries about our bodies, our minds, our environment, all that makes up. Our World Fascinates and intrigues me. That's why I'm constantly searching for information that pushes the boundaries of what's possible for human potential and sharing all that I learned with you in a dynamic new set of videos on youtube headed over to Dave asprey DOT com. Slash Youtube. Today show is going to be really interesting for you because we're GonNa talk about some things that you probably haven't heard of. You might have heard of attachment theory. You've certainly heard of about trauma on the show before and how it can turn some things on in your brain that you probably don't know we're going on and hypnosis even covered a little. Little Bit, but when you tie that back to ancient traditions of meditation and things that are part in parcel to how I became a bio hacker became who I am today It's a buddhist meditation. Master Oh, except he's an associate clinical professor of psychology at Harvard who has taught hypnotherapy and has been on faculty for forty years, so we're talking about. A man who is really one of the masters, and that is a big point of what I do with the show I get to learn from the masters you learn from the masters. His name is Dan. Brown have PhD and a real expert in what trauma does to us. Especially in early childhood Dan is a great honor to have you on the show. Thank you so much my pleasure! Thank you to me. Forty years of being on faculty at Harvard what has changed in your field over forty years. Has You most? I think the teaching of medicine has changed much more interpersonal now, but more sensitive to the needs of the client. Why did it change? As. It used to be operated on research while in the nineteen fifties and sixties, which was teaching students shaming. Just throw out there now it's now. There's so much to learn that people have to team up. Everybody's responsible for collecting information. Different teams competitive in this all sharing based. That's changed. Remarkably That is a big shift in a relatively short period of time. It seems like in medicine. Historically, it's almost taken one generation to pass away for the next one to come in and and create incremental change delegates. The pace of change in medicine is accelerating. Is Information, so it's it's hookup wiggle. Let's. Talk about attachment first, and then I wanNA talk about ancient bone, traditions and things that you've studied but attachment. What is it because a lot of people? Listening may not understand even the basics of what it is, but just walk me through how how it happens what it is. To relational maps, the first one Forbes about twelve to twenty months nasty attachment map. Second one four is about CRT or conflict relationship. Remember the difference between those two matches, the second much more complicated in much more accessible to memory. Put simply is the difference have trouble with relationships within relationships. So attachments is about with with relationships so trouble with relationship, so if someone is having a hard time in a relationship, what is the likelihood that they're attachment patterns from early childhood are playing a major role high very high. So that the attachment feels started with bogeys working nineteen forties, he saw. Attachment is an interplay between. Providing secure base for infant in the more the paradox, if you an attachment is the more secure feeling the relationship, the more they explore become independent, we found attachment to be in place in into Inter, interfacing of too complex issues, one is attachment. In the other explosion, and in the nineteen fifties and sixties. Mary Ainsworth Developed Laboratory. Paradigm Directly Observed Kids. In their testament phase so the. Ten to twenty months in garden into the laboratory. What's called Strange Situation put in unfamiliar playroom is to chairs in the room is a bunch of toys on the floor is a big plastic box for with toys, given no instructions into three minutes. You Watch what happens between the mother and child secure will settle down the play when we get used to it. Get interested more and more toys in there looking mother in check in with the mother secure venture further out. Check it again adventure further out that secure attachment. After three minutes stranger walks run announced in federal to the research, and you see the child's differential response to the stranger how that affects display behavior. After three minutes stranger leaves. will missing to. Renew with child for three minutes to see other strangers Presence affects play behavior. Than the mother comes back in the strange leaves in single reunion behavior how that affects the play behavior in the mother leaves the second time in the Charles left alone in laundry room. This son. She affects the behavior, so you get all the possibilities in there. And there are four possibilities. Come up securely attached kids, sure differential response in preference for the mother. In the more they feel in the room with the mother. The more complex the play baby gets explore. More kids will grow up to have what we call dismissing attachment. Deactivate detachment system. They just do the toys. They don't care the mothers presence whether they're alone or whether there with a stranger, it just don't seem to connect with. The relationship deactivated detachment system, and they just kind of pseudo independence in adulthood. Go dismissing attachment. Don't connect lean relationships. The opposite of that is what's called. Anxious preoccupied attachment. Those kids who shutdown exploratory system in the over clinging detection system, so they can't play in the strange situation than unfamiliar environment they can. Can Cling to the mother, and when the mother leaves, get disorganized, the can't. They can't play anymore. No unconsolable when the mother comes back. And, then the fourth kind is way today both the attachments this mandate system. We call it disorganized attachment. So those are the four paradigm 's. What percentage of people I'm just GONNA. Say over eighteen in the world today. Do you think have those attachment systems mostly mostly done? Good research does in North America in your. Newest. In the figures a fairly stable across studies. A two or three people have secure attachment. But one-third doesn't. In about that in the that one third about ten twelve percent or disorganized, ten and twelve percent or about Anxious preoccupied attachment in ten ten percent of dismissive. So people listening to this show have a one out of one one in three chance of having an attachment problem. Would you know you hadn't attachment problem? Not necessarily. How would someone be able to look in the mirror and say wow i. think that might be me. Because of the things that happens with attachment is. When the child is securely attached them the parents cautiously marrying the child's feelings in state, internal state of mind from that the child develops what's called medical capacity capacity to reflect on their own state of mind. So when does attachment addition to that? They always have met a cognitive deficits, so they don't. They don't observe themselves very well. They don't they don't really know. that. They have a problem. It is clear out the move over again, but they don't even know why. Wow, one in three, and of course they're gonNa have an impact on everyone else in the world around them. And then of the of the one in the three two-thirds have secure attachment. Forty percents have cocoa conference relation themes that they have a different map. Keep selecting for the same old same problems in relationships. Select dysfunctional partners. So that would be a sign as someone who continuously has bad relationships over and over in the common element is you in? It's probably attachment, and at least playing a role in that because you're picking a partner, who has a similar attachment problem is that what's going to separate map that see CRT rapid court cartridge. That devised third or fourth year life. How that's the second one? Okay in that one, so the to relations dysfunctional webs here. To chances to get it wrong. It turns out that healthy attachment was the main focus of the way my wife, who is a medical doctor and study drug alcohol addiction actually worked in the field for a while. And in Sweden Those what we focused on for our first four five years of the kids is just get that right. They can probably be happy later in life even if we screw something up as parents makes a difference. That, thank you for helping to push that work and that agenda, because I I wouldn't have known about that. Before we had kids if I had been able to go out and read some things about it. I'm I'm curious? Because you have learned Tibetan Buddhist Sanskrit, palliate your Buddhist, Meditation Master. How much of this attachment gets a western theory is taught in the ancient knowledge that you've studied. Are you seeing reflections of it or are these unrelated? unrelated. Unrelated Interesting K then, why did you go down the path of Buddhism? Because in the West we study smuggled pathology psychiatric conditions. Buddhism they study positive states. States the so that the other half of the map once you the negative stuff that doesn't Bill Leisure with is basing every day happiness. If you work on developing the mind in the positive sense will beyond half missy. Contending lives. INTO AWAKENING! So I, you fix the broken stuff, and then you upgrade or enhance or train or home. Whatever the right words are. The good stuff said that you can reach that state of non suffering. Suffering. Positively certain point where you do radical negative states in practice advanced practice flourishing evading pause in states. Bottom line. We actually studying the door. Psycho science of that right now. We have subjects. Who can do that now in the West that we're studying. What's happening in the brain that happens? I am very interested in that to the extent. That I have small neuroscience facility in Seattle. That is training people on complex states in different parts of the brain with gamma brainwaves with the desire to put them in those advanced altered meditation states that are out there and I'm I'm just so impressed with the amount of neuroscience that's come out in the last twenty years. We have the only. The only circuitry study on awakening. That's incredible. You found something very very distinct twenty nine subjects all the same thing scenario provide system. It opens up the shifts more local, very huge perspective unawareness. We found Gamer activity in tournament subjects in areas of the brain that region of interest. So, wait means wake. Now. You're seeing Gamma I'm assuming this is an electrical study eeg. Study studied the collaboration with judger when he was at UMASS medical school. Okay, but you're getting electrical, not blood, flow or any other things like that. We were looking at twenty eight hundred Okay beautiful. It's Studying actual wakened states as powerful and I'm very interested, and probably deeper than what most of the audience would would want to hear about but around these news states gamma, and while they ride on other states where it feels like. We're right on the cusp of having enough samples to the point of the study that you're participating in as well as just enough. Pictures of brains to be able to really tease out more and more and more information about what human brains are capable of. Will think about a possible scenario where you don't have any negative states really experience, and you have a manifesto one hundred eighty stay on eighty states of positive states at once. I think profound implications for mental health. Would say so. This last ten years has been positive psychology movement. Ten to twenty years now. Research on positive states I think is found mental health that's why we're studying. Can you do it. Yes, how often do you put yourself in all hundred eighty puzzles day to the same time? Day Than Knowing Wow, well I am working on that same that same state, but I would say I still have some work to do. That's that's profound. Would you attribute your ability to do that? To reach this state of positivity more often than not, and we're talking very positively. Is it because of your study of this ancient knowledge the Tibetan? Bone, tradition or Is it something else? With Benjamin Forty eight years now it's a long time and you did study with the Dalai Lama, which is amazing. He was studied with him to ninety seven. I root close. But, non lest twelve years I study with His Holiness men retracing the head of the indigenous bond religion. Is the Dalai Lama senior teaching breaking patient teacher. These guys to have is river Saudi died last year. But what he asked me do is six years ago when he said. Bought all these advanced Texans said these are the practice this generation loan. Favored ask you. Would you translate their mom? Would you put on the worse for Westerners News? What are we going to say? No I don't feel like it. Source suspended clinical practice in in most clinical teaching for three and a half years in translations done in that time. Can People read these today. Yes, cave textile collected volume selfie rising threefold, embodiment of enlightenment. I will put links to that in the show, notes and I will be reading those. Now something that is always been a unanswered in my mind because I I went to Mount Kailash years ago. And did the Kora around that Kailash for listeners who don't know about this mount? Kailash is a very Holy Mountain in Buddhism I in the Hindu religion, and also in Tibetan bone, and people walk around in a sort of a holy walk a twenty six mile. but in the the bone religion you walk counterclockwise in Tibetan religion. You Walk Clockwise. And I watch clockwise because I had just come out of a monastery and spent ten days there Copen Monastery, which you probably are familiar with and. I learned something about this, but I felt like it was always this sort of Quantico. That's an older religion that's out there. It seems like it had some shamanic roots in it. Can you describe what you learned? The difference between that older lineage and the other lineages? You've studied for people listening because I think it's a new idea, almost everyone. Well, the would've shocking. Mooney was to put twenty five hundred years ago. The Buddha's before shockingly bordering the tradition news talk seven years ago. So their practices a more evolved in more detail in the more accessible. So Joe Chen for example completion practices. We call it. It's been around for seventy years. And I find that they're Texan far worth accessible in much more detail because they can do it with longer. That's why I switched phone. Okay so just making it accessible. Do. You believe that things like heart rate variability training at neuro, feedback, a biofeedback, all the different modalities or breathing exercises, or even LSD which she worked with a when it was still legal to do that or any of these ways of accelerating attainment or those all distractions. They'll distractions. Every one of them. In the incident you focus on something, or the might move towards something that mentioned refocused something particular in as soon as you start moving in directions, something particular. You can't graphs known about homeless as always right here. So you see the problem if you look to the feedback. Machine during his that unbounded wholeness. I have experienced that and I found when set my equipment up in certain ways. The only way to make the signal get strong is to not pay attention to the signal. which is. Very frustrating, it took two weeks of focusing on not focusing if there is such a thing in order to be able to say a Ha, and then you feel this melting in this kind of warmth in your chest and when you're observing. Traditions is the best way of doing. It is not feedback investment doing his with his instructions. We have been very clear instructions as part of the detail. The relationship. The instructions making open the whole thing up to you. The instructions of your visualize the Buddha sitting on a thing and visualize a very carefully or some other kinds of. Instructions about how to open up the mind. An example. Yes oppose I, said to you right now, looking at surrounding space. Does not empty space, but seeing his awareness as a field of awareness space, it saturates everything without inside without outside feel knowing where to space, you can do that. Now look at timeless aspect of the field. Events will come and go within time with the field, but the field itself is absolute timeless identified timeless aspect of who I know. that. Yeah now extended out in all directions timeless, boundless limitless. Okay. See, that's operating on. Its route so simple is. Just, follow the instructions. Is it opens it right up. That's what a good teacher does view. I absolutely felt that, although right in the middle of it somewhere when you went into timeless, I felt a twinge of anxiety. Actually which is strange. There's clearly app some little internal resistance overcome for that, but it feels like a good teacher can help you dial in on. Wipe out what happened. Just focus on what don't don't get distracted by. Just ignore it and just keep coming into now if it's a problem redress in part of the relationship. That's all all instructions given. From heart to heart is part of the relationship. Wow I, it's it's so mind blowing, although I guess in this case may be mind enhancing as a as a better perspective. How does it relate to things like PTSD in a lot of people because I've done a decent amount of neuro feedback training, with clients, and certainly a lot on myself. and it feels like quite often. They'll stumble into something that is an old trauma, and I'm asking you because while you were a witness for the the war crimes tribunal people who are traumatize you know about trauma very deeply. Where's the map? Between these states and trauma or specifically ptsd well again that distinction east to West between negative states positive states. So He is, there are two things going on the notion point of view. One has to do with auditing fear arousal. Amid delivers is like a broken fire. The fear rows of center of the brain is constantly on doesn't shut off. Media Prevent CORTEX, which is top down regulation that doesn't shut off. It doesn't turn it off. Fear Arousal As one thing that happens. That's what we call. The. Eyebrows will predominant PTSD which is about seventy percent cases. So now, the thirty percent of PTSD cases in the dissociation predominant. In! What they have is not so much fear Arousal, but the opposite of that they disconnect from all emotions disconnect, move frontal cortex, the LIMBIC system. So. They don't feel anything. They don't remember anything disc-. They disconnected memory circuits for autobiographical the motion members. So Nia to to to to. What is in? Fear arousal the other is the lack of feelings would call the difference between positive symptoms negative symptoms. So in their different this. Lady is to the study in Canada. where she a couple who were gonNA severe motor vehicle accident than than they had different personality styles, different brain style so. What had dissociation predominant PD performed. With the same. That was pretty convincing. Wow, that is going to be extremely useful to have the same thing happen. What about very early birth I? I was diagnosed with birth based PTSD. I was born with a cord, wrapped around my neck, and I did some heavy duty, regressive work and breathing and hold tropic breathing in a lot of work on that, and if let probably most of ago. What's the role of birth and experiences in the womb with PTSD and in these other attachment states that you mentioned later? Will the trouble is that we don't have a narrative memory for that. We have a behavioral an active memory for that, but it's not narrative memory refilling length with the narrative memories mostly fantasy produced. So doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It does not traumatic entrance bodley states in somatic states rather than terms of narrative memory. It would be all body states at the time because your. Frontal cortex isn't cooked yet. That's true. Agree okay it. Is it real and this? This idea that what happens in the womb affects you later in life. Depends on the person. Depends on the person got it. Person got. I, I spent some time with the founder of the American, Pre and perinatal psychology association years ago, and we talked about it a lot, and and certainly some personality types that came out from it, but when I take that and I combine it with all this other knowledge that's out there particularly from the ancient knowledge i. I I like Your Model K, fix the broken stuff, and then well, so you're GONNA do here. if someone listening believes that they have early childhood trauma. Around birth or I three or four years around that, what would they do like? What's the first step to saying I? Think I'd like to fix the broken stuff who you go see, how would you will this? The standard more devolve into field was for what's called phase or trauma treatment pot. Peo- T. Phasing to trump treatment. The three phases the first. Is You stabilize the person new teaching? Zona Safety, young has the coping strategies now from stabilize the mind, and then only after you do that, you provide them with the tools to stabilize experience than you explore the members into the members. In the third third phases to get them back right development attract enhance the self development. He has the capacity for the. Relationships in adult life. To help the affect exploration in a expression, how long does that usually take? A couple of years couple years heart s phase are trumpeting devolved in nineteen seventies and eighties. But, then we began to see in the nineteen nineties. Some people didn't work so well for. For those people. Some people we call having complex trauma. In most of the the the the Iran is developing the field that people had complex trauma had shown trauma many traumatic events. That's not what we thought. We did a study the study. I did a lot of priest abuse cases. So we every time we every W priest abuse cases two days of testing massive database of people with recovered memories. So we've looked at all that data, what we found one one Catholic. Madonna manner in nineteen fifties in New Orleans. In the brilliance of the Catholic Church was accused of being a pedophile. He put them all together in the same old, running off inch. So that six pedophile priest, wanting the orphanage in the most higher pedophile staffs, because the kids recanting far for these these profiles. That's horrifying Charles Ryan. So many years later, Melissa recovering memories in. We tested them. In some detail. But turned out to be an interesting database, because all of them were abused by the same abuses for the same amount of time in the same way physically in sexually. The difference was attachment status. A lot of them come from broken homes were the disorganized attachment. You know the mother was running a docile in the house. Father was running a meth the basement when these kids foraging for food on the streets. They're picked up by child services in the orphanage, but A lot of the kids were from healthy homes with big Catholic families. The Father Anthony Two or three jobs to afford all of those kids that offer networking risky jobs like working on the oil rigs, and the father would get an industrial accident. Digital killed in the family. We'd break up which is essentially the orphanage. Turns out. The variable was attachment status. So we attachment in adults called the attachment inventory, which is A. Complicated destruction view, but it's very relaxed the gold standard for assessing attachment with adults. tweet that to everybody. We found out two groups of the. Orphanage kids. Was Head secure attachment. They had circumscribe access one symptoms like PD. Depression anxiety panic stage cemented disorders, but none of a personality disorder. None of them may deception. But the people who had disorganized attachment in addition to having those PTSD. All had majored associated disorder personnel disoriented So what does that tell you? It's not to trauma. Disorganized attachment aggravated by later abuse in Childhood Aha. So because of that we started, we started changing the Marlon turned the treat detachment. Disorganized attachment rather than treating the trauma. He's what we found. In the nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties was the people who assumed the complex travel was based on more trouble station. Keep track processing the trauma. In the minds of those patients were getting more and more disorganized. Wasn't working. To the just the model for this district population, treat attachment disorders the main primary focus of the treatment. Later, we would treat the attachment news. Eat Simple. Memory processing work later in the treatment. Ten percent of the treatment. Is as easy to. Defeat this interminable going over many many members, and over and over and over again finding more and more Morgan more disorganized to just had to adjust new model for this different group. Treat the disorganized attachment first and then the trauma second. And we began to see after we developed phase origin trauma treatment in the nineteen seventies and eighties fantasy. There are other populations of people who didn't fit that. Successful model treatment. Like victims of Statistic Abuse Sadistic abuses about its isn't about sex. It's about power and control. So sadistic abuse like to get into the mind individuals, so it's often accompanied by Mike Control Games power and control, inserting dominance in often by a lot of verbal abuse and physical inflicted pain, so the trouble is that the way the trauma treatment devolved you make a person feel safe giving lenient. Go off to a safe place than you help them develop. Develop coping strategies to deal with intrusive symptoms. They stabilize this picture. Before you get into the memory processing in the boy they get to. You get to know the patient in the treatment. What should happen eventually is when you stabilize them. Then you can go started presenting processing the memories, but what happens is that for the people who victims of sadistic abuse? To be known as to have the mind controlled. So what happens is the further. They stabilization the more they back off from the uncovering. The, more and more unstable, because they think the take over the mind so a traditional approach to transference interpretation. imagine I'm GonNa. Take over. Your mind played off. The here now transmits. Imagine, the ways Take over! Your mind hung out of control. You have them fantasize all the ways that they think they do it in you ever patient stable inquiry where you're not actually acting like that, but you're looking into the fact that could possibly happen with you. Feel safe in the relationship that way because emotionally correct relationship is we call? So what we be to see is phase into treatment worked for the large majority of people who are traumatized individuals that we have perfect very different treatments for different folks that were didn't work for so now. We have much more larger perspective on what. Given individual may needed to nasty treatment to that visual, so one size doesn't fit all trauma treatment. Is there, someone who can't be fixed because of their trauma or people? Do people just get so broken that there's no hope? I don't believe that at all. I don't either I'm glad you said that. If the years believe that. Change over fifty years is a useless. Starting to feel the dominant model psychoanalysis the sat back and just let it unfold. I don't do that anymore. To US reading outcomes research person needs to go and much more active to get them. There should the shortest time possible. If I would trust anyone's opinion on this on earth. I think given your background and the depth of your exploration here. I I would trust that so Thank thank you for that, so they're guarantee. There's someone listening to this show who feels like they're alone in hopelessly broken. there are things we know now can get you back to where you want to be at least back to normal, and if they decide to go down some of the other stuff, there's something far beyond normal. That's also possible so that. Thank you for sharing that. So so my perspective in great vehicle, and no one's left behind. Yeah, fix also about therapy. No one's left behind and the enlightenment of all beings. Let's talk about hypnosis, which is also something where you are a very very knowledgeable. You spent one hundred fifty hours with surround. Sirhan, who was charged with assassinating Robert F Kennedy? And his attorney and people have said Oh. Maybe he was subjected to course of hypnosis. Learn from that time. Historical figures. I yeah okay. Let's do it noces talent. Like musical abilities, some people more talented others what eight to eight percent of the population is highly botanical doses. Are Four percent of people a lot of ties below all everybody's in between. Most people in the moderate West. The four is as the talent for. A high attentiveness and she reminds for very careful attention. To and everything else out. People will activate a state of heightened attentiveness in very focused in. They can do this distraction extraordinary degree. Stay on track with things. So. That's what we call hypnosis talent to to focus in a very. Fast in heighten way, but we would say that it is the treatment of some medium of treatment. If you're treating somebody with anxiety disorders, we know the exposure based protocols for say panic. Attack were well. But if you do it in the hypnotic state where you're more focused than US distracted, compensate ground more quickly so that protocol tour so I would say that hypnosis the treatment you bring through what we know about the best approach to that given conditions for for that treatment is, but if you do hypnosis much quicker. Much Faster The second. You mention certain work with for one hundred fifty hours. The reason why I got involved in cases in two thousand six Brad Brad Johnson. The CNN reporter was going to the Archives of Sacramento founder audiotape. There was left by a Canadian. Film listen veto VCR tape. Remember those. I remember VCR's and. He, it had really good sound quality. You listened to it with the naked hitter to shut thirteen shots being fired fossil. Tena, certainly. If you look at the car generation of software, you can show without a shadow of doubt. Two through thirteen shots fired five simultaneously. Could have been the main shooter now. The problem was that the the Gutu did the autopsy said it couldn't have been surrounded fired the fatal shot Kennedy because the the fatal bullet. To the right side of the neck Mike because the power birds was appointed, excluded the two hundred pieces in Britain Branston. That's why you're gonNA. Take announced so thoroughly on Western who was in the wrong direction for five feet closer, so the narrative simply isn't true in based on evidence. Is Not based on evidence. So we started My task was to do not suggestive interviewing. Deceive certain. Remember anything. We found more than we thought we should. Wow hypnotized six thousand people in my career. True Training People in noses. person I've ever met. While, so he'd been trained to be hypnotized. Probably well. It turns out that what he was. Late adolescence is sister. WHO's three or four years younger than indict or leukemia? In the founding Close to his sister, he that unacceptable to her, the to wanted to find out whether his life after death, he made his way to the theatrical society invented the most cushions. He started hypnosis correspondence course for the road solutions. In into time he worked as a hot walker, Senator Racetrack in he the the the kids at the racetrack, all brushing down horses all attract soon hypnosis in the same class together. It was clear that he was enormous. Nosey different from anybody else's behavior. That was obvious to the people who ran the racetrack. Had always had a dream to be a jockey, but he never ridden a third in Franklin where to send her near. WHO'S MAFIA? Vote called him up day and said I have a job for you to ride thoroughbreds, it caroni ranch. Would you want the job? He said yes, drink, you. Don't take a kid who's never in the thoroughbred. Give him a quarter million dollar host to ride. Is Risky for the horse to. Yet, he had a fall from that horse and he was -mergency room with it. He four citizens I in the emergency room, said the discharge him that day, but that's not what he remembered. We told me he was missing for three weeks in his mother, who he? We come from new new recipes working through. Mother we after Davis written by her before she died in his best friend Terry three weeks. That's what they did. The program at the ranch was called Corona ranch. No is. Tone of growing, so he was, he was program. He was put in a special unit in new taking urine samples all day. You don't take your typically hit injuries, but you do for drugs. So. We. Think? They drugged him in the near three weeks. In got out yet to see the doctor in the doctor spray things in his eyes, get knows justice. twelve weeks and he couldn't drive after the wow, came up. We waiting in the car after the frustration was a diner, he was waiting in the diner. Estrangement came up to manifesto about shooting government officials in that was trader. then. What they did. Is they trained? Bid distracter. In. What became obvious to me was. That he was trained to give a certain cues so one time I tap on, showed twice like that, which is typical thing to do for post-punk suggested. He got up and he started. You took a stance like this guy. got in the area. What we call range voting You started site, citing military terms. Military terms grant you about. Allow shooting via human organs, so we learned how to trigger arrangement this Jason. Bourne Kenneth Staff. My goodness is it is. I I couldn't believe it, but. Anything, but we have many times we can activate range of learn the Detroit for so he was going to be a distracter. Wow, wow! When you talk about this, what do people say? Do. They believe you or do. They sorta white themselves as I can't just go about their daily business. Well some people believe in. Sundance believed it Robert Redford Sundance Film on it. We ministerial meet or finds discovered. Oh, I didn't I haven't seen that film. It's not it's not research how you? It doesn't exist. Oh! Chris two years later they find Contract with netflixing showtime. In they cut everything out the editor of eating away. So Shane O'Sullivan who wrote of. The documentary on Bob became ten years ago. It was pissed off about They did that, so he filming. In called what we're. Why Dot Org now it's made it to youtube on. The only real injury can youtube. Wow I'll put a link to that, nor on says well. This is truly astounding I mean a world class, expert and hypnosis. You'd be very well equipped to do that. Your expertise in a moment theory and these advanced very advanced meditation states from from the past. and. Harvard Professorship Ura your heck of a guy. Did you come into the world like this? I mean. Where did you come in half enlightened and just on the path or what? What's your theory for? What makes you able to do? These things at the level of excellence you? You've done that your entire life. Started is very student. Grade. Teacher who took interest in million, she saw some talented manages blossom met you. Moser, name. Mrs Merchant from. C. Student Tour, straight A student back after that. To get a chance to thank her young went back when I was in my twenties. internship at Harvard back to see her. Postcard I think. which he did for me. Yeah teachers matter so much on. We've got to pay the more it would solve. Solve so many problems agree. Changed my life. Wow. That's That's why kids are so precious, because that's when the leverage happens especially around that time. Yeah, fourth fifth grade, even before that. We get it right and What a difference! Is Up into board I have to say that. I would say not but I got. I paid dearly for the hand thing I got. Five tax audits of tag on May. Come from the US Treasury. 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How to Think Like a Monk Jay Shetty with Dave Asprey : 739

"This is a special long edition of Bill. Radio this is a fascinating conversation with Jay Shetty, who just wrote think like a monk and we actually get to go deep today where we're talking about all kinds of stuff that you might not normally here in an interview about a book like really what's going on inside among said, and it just went long because it was fascinating I was interested and he takes some of life's lessons. Some things that are pretty well known in the circles of personal development and he restates them and massages them relies on his training as a monk and then takes them out. To share the ancient wisdom of personal development and growth and spirituality with a huge number of people, which is part of his goal. So we go through some of that here but really we go a little bit deeper into what it's really like was experience was like as among is a fascinating story with tons of nuggets about how did you specific things that he's learning how to do as he progressed both as an entrepreneur and as a human being? So there's hands on activities that you can do throughout this interview listened to the whole thing. It's totally worth the extra time at a lot of fun recording. Of High Performance. You're listening to bulletproof radio with Dave asprey. Today's guests on the show almost doesn't really even need introduction although you might not know who he is and is name his Jay. Shetty. He's a british-born former Monkou shares a practical wisdom in a way that you probably can't miss if you're on instagram or youtube or facebook, he's got four hundred viral videos with seven and a half billion views and a podcast called on purpose which I've been a guest and has a new book called think like a monk train your mind for peace and purpose every day and I wanNA have Jay on for you today because. He's really interesting guy who've been trained at monk things and then come out into the public sphere and it it's they're very different lives and all you guys to understand what he's teaching in his book because there's actually great value for you and if you've ever seen one of his seven billion views videos, there's life lessons in them quite often their life lessons that. There are things that are known, but they're not something that you're going to hear when you're a teenager. They're not something here in your twenties. There's something that you probably run into mostly through mistakes by the time you're thirty five. and. Maybe you get your head on straight by the time you're forty, five, hundred fifty, but he's short circuiting. The learning curve for you, and that's why wasn't have month. So whether you're sixty and goes awesome life lessons to do or I'm trying to figure this out and I just don't want to go through all the suffering to do it Jay and I have a lot of common beliefs around hey, we can. We can help make it easier. So there's less suffering more progress on time and that's why he's here Jay Welcome to the show. gave. Thanks. It was awesome to have you on on Chris and I'm really happy to be back on this. This is great. Now how does one become a monk in the modern world it? It's one of those things where I look back fifty years ago. That guy decided I'm going to become a monk or a hundred years ago. You just take all the weird kids and threw him in the monastery. 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Dave you'll get fifteen percent off your entire purchase. Once you try the Paleo Valley mistakes, you're going to want to put him on a subscription order so you don't run out. Absolutely. So I was born and raised in London and I grew up like any other kid up until the age of fourteen hours really obedient was a good kid I studied hard what todd and then I almost got to this point when I was fourteen where I started hanging around with the wrong side goes and started getting into trouble and experiment with drugs and relationships, and just trying to figure out what life was all about I was like it doesn't make sense that I'm getting good grades you get into a good school. Now it's like getting into a good college I was like doesn't seem to be. This company like that was the question that was kind of going in my mind when I was about sixteen years old and I really interested in learning about people and rags to riches, stories, people who went from nothing to something in life. So the first two books I have a properly read where David Beckham's autobiography and drain the Johnson's autobiography when he was still the rock and. Reading those books and I was just fascinated by how much sacrifice they add in their life of the discipline they add in their life and I would go in here entrepreneurs and CEO. Speak at universities and local events in London and once I was invited to hear a monk speak. Now I'd never met a monk in my life I've never known what much really did and a part of me didn't cab because I just thought what am I gonNA lead from a among like that someone who has gone from nothing to nothing what do they have to teach me? And so. It's really humbling an ironic when you go to something expecting nothing and it becomes one of the biggest life changing moments of your life. And and I I really look back at it as a really humbling moment I realize how stupid I was that day for going they're having this cynical judgmental view of the value I was going to get from this event. And I'm just left completely flawed and the reason was when I was hearing him speak and this is in hindsight complete in hindsight I realize that when I was eighteen I met people who were successful and rich and beautiful and attractive, and I'd met people knew intelligent. Met, anyone who is truly joyful and happy. And this month. Not. Even in a spiritual aura kind of waitressed who he was in his demeanor had real contentment about him. And I think for the first time in my life I was in curious about where does that come from? What is that? Until I started spending all my vacation summer and Christmas holidays I'd spend half of them interning in finance companies in London because that's what I thought. I was GONNA do to get a safe job and the other half of it I'd spend intending at the monastery in India living with him as among as a training. And it was almost like my best split test Ab test where I was living these two separate lives literally going from steakhouses, suits Baas to then going to sleeping on the floor waking up at four am in cold showers and having done that for three years at age twenty two when I graduated I realized that I preferred the park of a month. So becoming a monk. Then became the decision. I left behind my possessions left behind everything I owned. Live Data Gym Locker for three years possessions insight. Did you just give all your possessions away to friends or family or just locking storage lock? What did you do? Yes. So I gave away. So my price is Twenty two years old. So I didn't have that much stuff but there's stuff I gave my car to my sister as far as I remember I gave my I. I had a I had lots of Jesse's I'm a big football fan soccer that lots of forward and I gave them away to all my friends and collectors version you gave away your David Beckham Jersey I gave away Rinaldo backcomb Benza I gave away. If you're into soccer on a massive success I, gave away all of these like the first year that player in signed by that team. Again way why I really regret that now and and apart from that I didn't think I had that many possessions or or that much money already saying night I was in I was in about twenty five, thousand dollars eighty thousand pounds worth of debt when. A monk because my student loan to pay off. Got It. So you basically gave away some things that were emotionally specialty but I guess now a financial value. Bulletproof sponsored the galaxy for a couple of years I've got signed ball signed by the whole team and all that. So that when Beckham with that Oh no this was right afterwards. But we do have a picture floating around somewhere Beckham visiting the bulletproof cafe in Santa Monica which was like, oh I. Wish I was there that day right Back. Okay. So you you made the decision I get rid of the car, keep the debt, get rid of you know the the the stuff that feels important. But even before we go there, how long does it take to go from like corporate and suits when you're splitting your time? Is it like a day or a week for you to go into monk mode from corporate mode because they're like a size of a coin what's a transition like you land? In you'll get in a rickshaw man I have no idea where you're monastery was and then. What happens yeah. So I, was pretty quick in might transitions I would literally go from finishing the last day of my internship to that booking a flight, a couple of days later to be in India and I think when you're eighteen years old you just so much better just diving into new experiences like you don't need this calibration time it's almost like you know like just refreshing on our phones will just loading i. Felt like I. Didn't have that much to bat and it wasn't that I was as intentional or is calculated I was just like this is what I wanna do this time left of this vacation. Let's just dive in and so I would literally get onto a flight get onto the other side get picked up driven to the monastery that I stayed at, which was two hours outside Mumbai at literally in the middle of. Nowhere pretty much and it was just I would just dive straight in and I. think that's what's so powerful about immersive experiences I. Think we struggle now to allow us to let go and say Hand this work is this possible and I would literally go that with that mind I'm blank slate I'm going to try this out exactly how they tell me because that's the only way. I'll know if it works on why are people in their early twenties or even late teens so much more flexible than people later in life because you were able to just make that big transition why? I mean I think it's because we just get more and more set in our ways and habits and stagnant, and it's kind of the way society's been set up to. It's almost like you're studying up until the age of twenty one you have a lot of change and you're kind of spoon-fed or guided the whole way, and then all of a sudden after twenty one, there's no matter anymore. And so I think we almost get shut off when we get into fear insecurity mode because all of a sudden, there's no nextstep or when you're studying, you're like Oh. Yeah I know go call it next year I'M GONNA go to this class next year I'm going to study that next. Once. You're off the twenty one, zero map zero guidance zero trajectory. So you go. Okay. Let me play safe. Let me let me figure it out and I also think as your responsibilities grow in your life you start to think differently. So when you get married you now stop thinking about someone else when you buy your house now stop thinking about the mortgage I think as we grow older in life, our responsibilities scare us from taking new steps but that doesn't mean it's not possible. I still know plenty of people that have taken those walled steps later on but I think it becomes harder the APP to be much more intentional. It makes a Lotta Sense. There's really not that much to lose when you're nineteen. Right and I. So many entrepreneurs have done it that the problem is when you're nineteen or twenty two or whatever. You really don't know what you don't know yet. So you're more likely to make stupid mistakes, which is why you see very few people like Mark Zuckerberg I started this thing when I was twenty, three, twenty, four, twenty, five, it's because they were getting really good advice and I'm seeing something new at I've put my hat on twenty something years ago when I was twenty five and I was like, no, I know everything and. I'm going to my grows I made six million dollars twenty six I wasn't screwing around but I lost when I was twenty eight because I didn't take advice right and I look at what I could have done if I would have just listened at but now I see you got whatever twenty million something followers it's like a hunger from young people to actually learn and listen that wasn't present in my generation I'm talking like old here I'm not old I'm twenty eight percent of my life span but. What? What's different about this generation that you the how old are you? I'm Betty feting three yesterday yesterday. All right. So You've lived through your twenties, but you know you thirties and forties, and so what do you think is different? Do you have a sense of that? I think one part of part of its access and that's what it was for me like I never expected to meet a monk and now you may not have to meet among but you have your own monk in your life that you cannot meet because of social media, because, of course, online because of books. So across the world. Easy to access. So I think one part of it is access I think I know stories of people in the sixties and seventies that hitchhiked across the. Setting for the truth I know some of my monk teachers who hitchhiked across the world looking for the truth in spiritual pops in ways that we would never do because there were so dangerous that we feel today. So I feel like there's the Jenny's different because there's more access and these themes of become more prevalent in today's Society because I think more people have taken on the responsibility to share and to educate and to teach I think they're much more there. Are many more teachers educators in the world today than there ever been, and that's a positive thing because it means that more people have more choice about who they want to learn from. What did you feel like you're ready to write your first book I mean you're still relatively early in the monk path you don't have fifty years of wisdom and wrinkles and You know you haven't lived in a monastery for decades Why now to right thing like a monk I've been building new kinds of teams across businesses in twenty twenty and everyone works remotely, and some of us are in different time zones and it was really important that we had easy use project management platform that made truly effective teamwork real and Monday dot com was the answer for us. Everyone's connected under a single source of truth. Now we plan we track, we manage our work all in one place, and we always know who's doing what by win Monday dot Com. Let us map out everything visually that means we're seeing organized which frees. Up Brain space for the really important thinking the house to happen no matter where you are and money dot com brings our team together and other ways to centralized communication improves nation across every department and our productivity went up a lot and more collaboration is good for everyone teams are happier work more closely together and there's just more innovation. So let Monday dot com take care of what slows you down. So you can free up time to focus on the work that drives you to start your free fourteen day trial. Good on Monday dot. com. So I remember being offered. My first book deal went by fast video went viral in two thousand sixteen and I remember going this doesn't make at he said. I. My video was really excited and getting all this new influx of ideas and thoughts and I remember to feeding patient that was four years ago literally years around is time and I waited because I really believed that the monk mindset in the way I define it. Is the encapsulation of eastern teachings and Eastern. Wisdom. and. So the reason why felt that this was the book that was needed right now is because I truly believe that the mindset that are most prevalent in the world or that. Predominant in the world potentially of greed of power of quarrel of judgment and the monk mind is the complete anti-viruses of that. The monk mind is of compassion love non judgement kindness and I feel like that's what so many people we know are striving for an aspiring for and I felt this is the right time to help us reset our mindset and by the way I'm not you know it's important what you just said, I'm not sharing my own monk experience alone the book is full of. Studies, and research and science behind monks brains that meditate for far longer than I have and for me it was might fascination with almost monk culture that made me want to write this book less than my own experience, three Ed's, and so for me, I'm more excited and inspired by the human behavior of monks in the minds of monks and my talk about Matthew Record in the book known as the world's happiest man having the highest form of gamma waves in his brain linked to happiness attention to. We talk about Menu Import Shea who shows attention in ways that no one else on the planet is shown. So for me, it was more that fascination even more than my own experience. I share that fascination and certainly I haven't I've trained his among I've been through some ceremonies training. I've been to a monastery in Nepal and been to Tibet and learn from the masters but not as a monk did shave my head though it was necessary. To wash it. So I looked stupid for a few days. But? The fascination for me has been there for more than twenty years including the neuroscience I started a company around that and it's funny. You mentioned gamma in your book, which is one of the reasons I wanted to have you on I was testing some of our, our new equipment that like we're always making new hardware and stuff 'cause the brain hacking thing is a real thing. It's possible and we're able to get my gamma to go up twenty percent in a two hour session, which is supposed to not be possible and I feel. Like we're on the cusp of being able to turn on among mind for people who may be spent the time in a monastery and maybe would like to and they'll miss some of the wisdom and they wanNA, understand the difference between meditating with your eyes appear versus down here in breathing exactly this the stuff you actually learn but maybe they'll get enough of a taste that it'll help them to go there more quickly. Do you think that's real. I love what you just said. That's that's my belief system a around a lot of the. Almost, shortcuts or upgrades that exist within the world where if we give people windows like you are to give people glimpses of what's possible and the fact that this limited viewpoint we have around our mind is not the end is not the limit another barrier that exists and if we can expand everyone's consciousness to realized, there is so much more behind the world in the universe than just what we kind of perceive in our tiny is hands knows in is then I think that that's going to give people a new sense of confidence. And Courage to actually do the practice, and that's partly why for me think like among is such an important message right now and I talk about in the book are you doing to live like a monk to think like among because it is a change of mindset and if your tools in your techniques, Dave able to give people glimpses into that from a more scientific point of view and what I've done is I've taken the practices in the tools strategies at a backed by science I. Think both of those together could be game changing. It totally can be and to be really clear no one has to have a device. You don't need orange don't need harbor but all the biohacking tack that I am obsessed with because I think it helps me get there faster right but you don't have to have any of that because the original by hackers were monks, and before that, they were shamans right and a lot of the old mug stuff. If you trace the lineage with history going back to two five, thousand years, you can see how it spread across Europe and Asia and all these things. So. If you're saying I'M GONNA take the distilled wisdom of the ages and say, these are what generations have learned. worked. I studied for seven years. Here it is try this I instead of just walking around and making it up for yourself. The odds of it working are so much higher. So, this might willing to receive a step up and that was why I I like your book and I like your perspective on it because if I had access to books like this and and the wisdom to read them, even just as a teenager like I probably would have been a lot less of a Dick. Well. That's a good. That's a good stuff but I also agree with you that I think there's nothing wrong about making the body and the mind more tangible for people. Yeah and so you know I think that's one of the biggest things like you can't do it before and after picture the mind whereas Iran people now you can't do before and after pictures of the brain, you can do before and after pictures of the system. So I get excited by seeing science able to show the tangible transitions in the mind. Based on meditative practices. So for me I I'm a geek about that stuff at it excites me site I love what you're doing and I love I love everything that you're trying to do it because I think I think there's always going to be different minds and that's why the book I spoke about everything from a scientific strategic and disprove point of view because I believe that we all need all three in our lives to have a complete picture. You can't really have a complete picture without one of those three era. Is the brain the same thing as the mind I don't believe it is I I believe the brain is the physical. Hardware. In the mind is more of a subtle. Experience in subtle entity that exists within the subtle body as the So the bug would be to recall the subtle body physical bodies. Obviously, this the subtle body would mind intelligence and false ego that should be considered the subtle body into those live inside our meat or do they live somewhere else they live inside currently trapped inside the physical body and therefore those are the things we used to process. So the mind in the intelligence a constantly having a conversation. So the way about the two describes the. Conversation is that the mind is like five all guided by five senses like five wild horses. So the senses crave something they chase it the mind. I. Liked the reins of the horse and the intelligence is the cherry. Tear answer. The intelligence is role is to be able to redirect the horses when they're misdirected and saw sense are constantly seeking pleasure instant gratification the rains needs to be held, but most of US I intelligence is sleeping and because of that the horses run riot gober they won that definitely matches my experience. That's good. I'm glad. Now. One of the famous studies in the history of neuro feedback and monks. Is that they brought a very well established. Advanced semi enlightens monk to Stanford and they were going to hook them up to neuro feedback, and so doing his meditating before they put the electrodes on him and he started affecting the machine and that's not that's very understandable because we have a strong fields how it works and we have people who go through minority back stuff where sometimes we can't get their brainwaves because they're basically like frying the computers like literally it whites out. You know some people powerful and so did it in all the research that Oh my goodness wow what power and as soon as that happened, the power went away and and he said, no, my ego just asserted itself here I am thinking I'm such a good monk. So now, I have to take a day to reestablish humility in order to reach back into his monk powers and do the thing properly. Now. The reason I'm bringing that up, you've gone through this thing. Okay. Humility Ego monk and you've got seven and a half billion video views and you've got you know your big attractive is them Charlotte Girls swoon over and all that? So. What is this done to your ego and how did you manage that? There's a company called four U. F. O. R. I. Aids a First Brand to address the needs of women across all ages from leading painful sex ministration cramps, and other issues that impact women, sexual health, and sex life and the collection includes. 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One thing that I've realized is that your world is as big as it is in the sense of for some people seven billion feels like there will and the some people seven hundred feels like they're world and for some people, seven people feels like there will, and so it's almost like feedback from seven people at school in the playground fields as painful or as joyful as feedback from seven billion people on the planet because your world is all you experience. The perception is so proportionate the position. So if you're the most popular kid in school or your today Chani Demilio. The most popular talker in the world, it's you're experiencing similar levels of. Excitement and enjoyment because that's become your new system. So that's that's something that I think helps put into perspective. But here's the thing I've found. That constantly challenging myself out of my comfort sewed is the most humbling thing there is because if you do what you do well and you keep playing to your strengths in the same field and in the same league and at the same level, then you will constantly boost your ego whereas I feel every time I step out of my comfort zone whether it was first starting to make videos than it was starting to make. Videos, regularly then he was trying to launch your podcast being interview. Now, it's trying to be a authored write a book to me. All of those steps is so scary that they're so humbling that they make me WanNa, ask for blessings in Energy Powell empowerment from the universe teaches it constantly puts me in a in a humble position because I'm realizing that I don't have the intelligence or the complete understanding to actually be able to. Do this without the support and love and kindness of someone else and so one of the things that I found that I would say to my teaches often is sometimes it's easier to have a big ego playing small than it is to try to play big because when you try and play big, you get schooled really quickly and now you're surrounded by you know I'm used to being unused to being the least famous president every. Room that I'm in and the least well known person in the least wealthy passengers pretty much every room, my man and I love it because I'm constantly learning and seeking. So for me, it's definitely challenged my ego but I kind of enjoyed that challenge a kind of love it because it makes me realize how strong the ego it's. So I kind of feel like we always say like it's easy being as monks we were told. Me Being Humble when you're in your silent meditation, right going going try to serve with another monk in see how uncle you because as soon as you with another human being that's when your ego is triggered. So for me I really I feel like being in the world having to undestand ego, monitor, ego recalibrate. I actually enjoyed that challenge because it reminds me of the power of the EGO and how strong it is. But as if I didn't do all of this I, think I might actually think umbral. And whereas I don't, I realized how League is my favorite story. In this regard, you may have heard it. Is Benjamin Franklin and he had a book defending precepts and used to have a general where he wrote down the thirteenth things. He has spiteful things like simplicity integrity tranquility all good things, and he said that he often found that a lot of them and I feel the same way I found that stuff all the time and so he used to say I used to drink too much to eat too much or spend too much money. A winning is passing away. They asked him out of the thirteen things which one did he not achieve? and. He said it was the team one and they asked him what the team one and he said humility and I think that's the power of humility that you can never feel you've achieved. And the more you push yourself out of your comfort zone. You realize how far you are from do you think you're humble enough? I wish my wife will remind me that have not. I I wish I think. I really access humility through gratitude and that's how we were trained as monks that. Whenever said the way we were trained munches whenever you receive freights or you receive love or you receive ration- or admiration or whatever you someone impressed by you. The only way you can avert ego into humidity. Is By passing that gratitude or thanks to the person that gave you that skill or quality. Yeah. So every time someone says something to me, my brain has to be an algorithm that asks me who is the person that gave me that quantity directly or indirectly it might even have been someone who caused me pain that gave me that gift in that quality. and. So then I have to thank the mentally and this habit of yours becomes a beautiful way of combating ego to gratitude which plants the seeds of humidity. So I trust that process I think to that process and I'm trying to work on it and and to be honest you know if you're always surrounded by I'm humbled by three things. I'm humbled by. Mike, goals getting big agenda. So that always humbles me because I don't look at it. As a while I've got seven billion views I look at it as like how deeply have we gone with a billion people on the planet? That's that's what I'm looking at. I'm not looking at breath from king breath and debt other second question is I'm humbled by the sincerity of the people spend time with every year I go back to the monastery and me and my wife my wife comes back with me and we live the monastery for two to three weeks. And when I go back and meditate with amongst and live with them. I realized what a long way I have to go and that's such a beautiful natural humbling factor. And thirdly, I'm humbled by just realizing that I've made a lot of mistakes in the past when I talked about my rebellious days on my knees and you're making mistakes all the time, those a humble anchors in your life that made you realize that you don't buy into your height, one of my spiritual teachers. Told me about four five years ago right when you're starting to blow up. She said. Hey. Dave win people come up to you and and thank you and you probably get to like people. You don't know they come up like something you did profoundly impacted me and it just genuinely want to share like. True. Thanks. And it's really touching and I would always do the kind of the gratitude judo move you described there Oh and thank you for telling me right. But my spirit's teacher said, you know what? Dave not actually hearing that like you're not accepting the gift of their of their knowledge of their gratitude. So before you acknowledge it, you have to feel it and then you have to turn on gratitude because I was Kinda, using gratitude to deflect it. So I think there's a slight difference in what I was saying you may better explain it so. In in the training that I received, what you're doing is you're receiving that gratitude so deeply and you're passing it onto the contract where you're at skill, you're doing it right then okay. Because I was not Ryan's and not right I mean it's like I'll give an example let's say Dave says to Jay says to me J you know what I love that you are an effective communicator, right? Let's say you say that to me to me I think you're the teacher that taught me public speaking and drama school at age eleven that I went to for seven years that gave me that skill or I think every comedian that I've ever watched and I pass on that gratitude to them. To feel an impossible right that's what I meant you pass. This is a teacher's kind of the lineage of where it came from precipitously Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Specifically to the person who gave you that indirectly or directly. So for example, let's say you say Jay I'm really I'm really impressed by your ability to deal with failure I would think of the person who I rejected me who got me Usak accepting failure and I, would thank them in my heart that is a seriously profound move and For people listening to the show like rewind thirty seconds in here that again. Because if you can master that that would make the whole book, I think like a monk worth itself and. It's a really important skill that that gratitude gratitude because someone took the time to tell you but gratitude from where you got it because most of us didn't invent everything in this life. Definitely. Not and by the way, I just want to reiterate my feedback I'm terrible communicate 'cause I explain that three times to get the message. Really. Brilliant very humbling. I. Love It. It also reminds me Dan Brown was on recently from from Harvard who is as monk like as you can get he's you know studied with the Dalai Lama in translates, Sanskrit texts from the Thirteenth Century Cave meditators in his faculty Harvard and I asked him where he got his love of learning and right away he snaps back into something in grade school and he he literally teared up on the interview and he when he remembered the teacher's name, it's like that feeling of gratitude I feel like it's so easy to lose those connections. And that gratitude, do you have like a list that you keep you up a daily practice a like how how do you keep all that straight because most listening don't really have that automatic habit of saying where did that come from? How do you do? Yeah. You're right and I think for a lot of us were leading to earlier for a lot of us. We deflect people saying positive stuff about us. Yeah. We deflect because we feel uncomfortable when you don't want to do with it, and that's part of the reason why we remember the bad times more than the good times. When we win we celebrate for a day when we lose cry for a month and so if someone something bad to us, we obsess about it for a month. When someone says something good to us we kinda deflected worry about it, and then a mind constantly amplifies the negative for me in the beginning I don't do this. All the time anymore. But in the beginning what I used to do was we would make a list of every item of praise or anything that would come in from that perspective that would trigger ego. So what are the things that you hear trigger ego? You may write down three things five seven things things like Dave. The best podcast the day bulletproof coffee is, is the best part in the world etcetera etcetera whatever trigger ego, and then you would right next to it. Who made it possible what experience made it also? And it could be person could be a place or it could be a project that conspired that and having that next to it, and then you train your mind literally to connect. The DOTS time once you've that enough it's now just it becomes autopilot in a good way and you have to re-experience that consistently you have to, and this is the second pot. It's not good enough to just think of it and experience it if you still have the opportunity physically. To methods that person to text them to send the May video or a voice note it is so much more powerful. Gratitude is so much more powerful when it is shed when it specific and this specificity part is is the. Core of gratitude that we will get wrong I'll give an example day. Let's. Name Two of your best friends. T to close friends I, mean I don't want to call them out here because of all the social I'm picturing two of them, right sean find selectquote them for for for argument's sake I'm naming them will call the James and Karen Correct James encountered and I'm just Back in tarrant because we're going to get in trouble for that. Find. This. Change it up. Code, James and Karen. Karen it's all good. Yeah. Let's go james and Kelly. So. So Dave throws a bulletproof potty once bounds over and it goes great and everyone loves it and James and Kelly come to the party and the next day Dave gets a message James. Messages. Dave in common James Fashion says, Dave. Thanks a lot. It was great. I mean Kelly messages goes day that Potty was amazing I've been missing social interaction so much it was incredible. food. Oh my gosh. That new flavor of that coffees just incredible and by the way you and your friends. Sweet people. Thank you so much. Now because days a nice person he is grateful to both Jamie Kennedy. But The level of joy Dave will feel from that specific gratitude from Kenny. And the level of Joy Kenny will feel from expressing that specificity of gratitude. That's what makes gratitude actually work scientifically for the mind. So it's not good enough to just feed it. You've gotta get specific and you've got a sharing. Well, I'M GONNA share a little bit of gratitude that just popped into my head because we're talking about monk things Dowa Tartan Phillips is a friend WHO's been on. The show and also a monk and he he reached out a while ago and you said as gratitude for coffee whatever he said, Hey Dave. I'm going back to Mount Kailash and the origin story for book coffee is I had Yak butter tea on the side of Mount Kailash that will my brain up that caused me to do the research when I came back to make bulletproof coffee and. I Actually Picked Three Coffee Cherries. That a can pick them from our plantation Guatemala. The first one we put in our infrastructure to make clean coffee and dried them and carry them with me every everywhere I went like everywhere I travel all over the world for seven years. And he said you WANNA leave an offering for mount. Kailash to. Thank you what a what an awesome idea. So I actually sent him my three coffee beans and he actually carried them up onto the side of mount. Kailash and left them as an offering to say thanks because there are some cool energy going on over there that. Of. You will qualify someday probably never but there was something came to me there and and so a thank you Dawa for for doing that and thanks Kailash. and. Yet I I think public acknowledgment is another angle to that the. And also just calling someone out so it's it. There's power that. How do you? Practice gratitude for the pandemic. Yeah, that's that's a that's definitely tough one and I think. The first thing I would say that you can have. You can shed almost toxic gratitude with people as well. Yes. Thank in in this in the sense to if you're asking people to be grateful. At all times without undestanding again, Dave, what you said early instead of hearing people's pain and so I think the mistake with gratitude is that we force people to devalue their pain or we force ourselves to devalue alipay or to belittle someone else's pain or belittle earned in because we're meant to be grateful and have respected. And so for me, the first stage of getting to gratitude for the pandemic is not gratitude. The first step or stage is to experience and accept and understand the pain you have gone to. If you've gone through the loss of something or someone, you don't just go. I. Am going to be grateful for that. You accept it you feed it you allow yourself to feel every emotion that that brings I'm lost. During the pandemic we lost four family friends back in London I lost my mentor not to cove it but he had stateful brain cancer for the last two three years and he passed away during this time. and. I miss him. I I. Think I knew him since I was like thirteen years. Old Is Spiritual Mentor in London and so important pivotal moments in my life becoming among getting married to my wife he he did our engagement ceremony for US spoke at all wedding. But just so many beautiful moments with him and I miss it and I in in the moment I just had to miss him. And then slowly as I missed him and I really have those memories and I cried and I I sat with that feeling and emotion. I been found gratitude in that because I thought. Wow How lucky my that I got to have so many pivotal moments with this human being. And that the only way that he could still live is if I aspired to live by those qualities that he so beautifully set out. And that would be the only way to express gratitude not to feel gratitude that he's gone but to express gratitude back to his life in his work, and that's where I found gratitude again, not I didn't feel grateful that he's gone I miss him every day but I feel grateful I had that time with it. And I want to express gratitude by giving back but it started with tears and. And, a whole lot of missing him and I still miss. So you start out by feeling the pain of authentically unhinging that it's real and then you're doing that and then you're finding some good that that happened even was a little. I would say I'd say this tweet stages the first is acknowledging and feeling the pain to the decks that it needs to. Yes. You cannot ignore the debt. You can't go this three step formula i. felt like this for three days now the next three days. There's not a nine day program for it. And there's not meant to be so so I just feel except and relive those memories talk about the Shandon share your your pain whatever it is that you're feeling about the pandemic and like I said people have lost someone or something, and that's really important because I think a lot of people felt bad for losing something and not someone and then felt guilty that they were upset for losing something instead of a human because people are actually dying. But the thing is that everything is a loss to you and you've got to earn that loss. The second part of it is looking at what you lost an accepting it wholeheartedly. But looking at what you had a looking at what you had at one point and gained from that business that us in that moment that actually energizes fuels the next step. So it's not ignoring the loss, but it's looking for what you actually had an gain before you lost it and why was so powerful what was the meaning and this is the best thing about month teachings that teachings not there to help you find happiness enjoy it every point then to help you find meaning and everything. and. You can't find happiness in the death of a loved one. You call find joy in the loss of destruction of a business, but you can always find meaning. So look for meaning. and Dan you feel that meaning fuels gratitude from inside that is such such profound advice and I think right now. So many people are feeling the feeling pain from the Ben Democ whether it's economic or just fear and lack of connection and all that stuff that now is. Probably a good time. For your book to come out because it, it has a chance to do more good in an environment where were these skills are more important than they were before? It's one thing if you're running around so they'll distracted maybe not feeling feeling pain. You're feeling now in your sort of cooped up and and there's more stress and there's more time to just sit there and say, I'm bored in my mind goes to the dark places may maybe now's a good time for a bit more monk thinking and so I I think you're gonNA find a very receptive audience for the buck. You talk about something to in the book. The second chapter he talked about the evil king goes hungry. Yeah it's one of my favorite stories. So one of my favorite by being a monk was. Getting told historical tales zen stories monk stories in this beautiful story is. In between good king and an evil king, and it's actually beautifully depicted in a more recent bollywood movie called at Modernity I. think There's a couple of years ago. They actually have this scene. So I'd had the stories he has when I saw the movie like this is so cool and so basically in this story that evil king goes to the good king's. House. Finn. He's invited over by the good king. So they go inside the good king has a beautiful reception even for the evil king that he knows has some agendas negative motives he still gives him a very warm welcome allows them into his causal seats him down at the dinner table they both sit down to have this meal and then good king and the evil king are exchanging pleasantries or whatever the opposite of pleasantries up and the suburbs bring the food in place to identical plates in front of the good king in the evil King. Good King Says Bond Petillo something along those lines and they're about to start eating and as the good king is about to pick up and food from his plate the bad king swaps around. bemusing. What's going on you? Okay. Sorry. was there something wrong with your plate in the good king stop thinking maybe he made a mistake or maybe something to offend the bad game. And the Eagle. Kinko's note. This is my first time here and actually you might have poisoned my plate. So I had switch it to make sure that now I have the unpoisoned plate at you again to eat from it. And the good king just breasts are laughing Dave Justice Doug the Best out loud it goes. Okay. Right. Sure. Let's carry on and he goes to grab a piece from the plate again and the back king swaps again for. What is going on? You just told me that I was about to eat and he goes well, maybe you double bluff me maybe to this, and so now the good king just loves and that day the good king eight is meal and the evil King went on. And what that story was told to us when shed with us, his monks was to show how we project our own insecurities, our own challeges, our own issues and setbacks onto the people around us, and so it's not that people around us don't make mistakes or that the knocked flawed or that they don't have their own challenges of course, they do. But often the challenge that you feel most difficult to deal with in someone else is a mirror to your own challenge when I heard this among is most like a shattering realization. Omar start to realize that the disease that you know someone else is a disease that you may have hidden away or not be aware of, and I remember the first lesson that we were taught in monk school was remembered that this is a hospital. and. Everyone is a patient. Even the people that look like doctors patients and they said, sometimes, you see doctors act like patients and sometimes all of you patients may act like doctors remember the inner hospital, everyone's a patient and and having that mindset just helps you. Not, forget that someone else may have a challenge, but it always makes you grow rather been that famous fifty cent lyric that I. Love, which is you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house and then there's another line to it that I mentioned because it has some what's that I would say at that understanding of us on the people as a mirror for your own consciousness because that will really free you of all of them now. Your kind of a busy guy okay. You've got a podcast you're writing books and we both know how much time those things take right and your your little company's growing You've got a wife who has funny dances on your channels. Right, you don't have kids yet, but you're already getting pretty busy. How much do you actually meditate every day? So I spend one and a half hours to two hours every single day meditating it's it's been the same way for that. Tina's since I started eighteen to really take meditation seriously after I met a monk and of course, when I was among me, we get far longer four to eight hours a day and more times. But yeah for now one and a half to two is the most I can do with my current schedule and it's not always the best. It's not always sometimes doing it before covered on a plane I'm doing it in the back of a new WBUR I'm. Doing what I'm traveling I'm splitting it up when I'm doing hoffner in the morning. After breakfast and you know I'm sitting it up to manage it but as far as possible always tried to be an early riser and do as much as I can in the morning before I start my day. So my rule as opposed to my exception is up by six every day and meditate from about six, hundred, thirty, two about eight, eight, thirty potentially, and then I go to the gym and then stop my work day. So I've kind of really tried to make that time sacred and I totally. Get it when I have kids that might be blown out water and I'm okay with that. But my point, not an i. hear that all the time and it's really interesting how the mind makes. You want to not focus now because people are like that's going to be ruined by kids anyway. But yeah. But I don't have kids yet, which means I still have X. amount of time till I have kids that I can really rewire my brain and I think we do that sometimes we got. Oh Yeah. But next month I've got to travel. So if I get into a good habit, now I won't be able to sustain it. So there's no point and that doesn't make any sense because if you've got fed today's now make those the healthiest your longevity fed as you possibly can because that thirty days is GonNa lost night feel that that even when I'm traveling in rushing around and I'm busy because of that morning or because of that consistent time, I'm able to be more flexible and still figuring it out. And keep myself in check and that by the way I'm quite regulate now on eating at the same time everyday. So I don't skip meals. Don't I have my lunch breakfast and my dinner carved out a special sacred times that I don't miss and I know exactly what I'm eating every day I'm very specific about what I eat and I'm only doing all those things because I love what I do and at one point Dave I realized that I had two choices I either slowed down or opt my healthy. And and I come to you for that and I'm asking you questions because I'm really fascinated by how you see helps I'm hoping to let those more from you but I don't want to slow down. and. So at one point, which was probably about two years ago I was feeling on the edge of burnout because my life was like skyrocketing and I had to make a very clear decision like do I slow down or do I might help game and get more focused on being optimal health because most people are not reaching their potential not because they don't work hard enough. It's not focusing on having the right health. So, I meet people all the time said Jay how did he get so much done and I'm like, do you exercise they go no and I'm like how many hours do you sleep and what time do you sleep is ski midnight and I wake up at seven for work accommodate. Okay. That is what and then I'm like, okay what I eating and what he and they're like almost my diet suspect pizzas and bugs bags whatever. I could get some like. Well, there's. A reason that you're not able to work and by the way I've been. So I know what that feels like I also been Cobb Dia I. Love Pizza Rise I love chocolate fudge cake I love not exercising all of that stuff but I realized at one point that was gonna hold me back and I'm just tried my best and again, I'm not still learning about this but I've really tried to make those commitments. It was my weekends I of chocolate this weekend. But we'll get back to it. Today. Today was the day of starting the health and wellness. Perfection required happy birthday by the way. Thank you. I'm in alignment with you it in that before you have a family of, if you're deciding to have a family, I'm going to try to not be the Indian mom here and put pressure on you. You can get your brain in order. You can get your health in order and I will tell you I was doing what you were doing. I would wake up at five or six I. I made myself being early riser even though it's probably biologically not right for me. I would meditate for about two hours I figured you could replace an. Two. Hours sleep with an hour of meditation and I. He had my coffee and I would chant and I would do art of living breathing and I had this great thing and then I had my first kid I'm like Oh my God like whatever time I wake up babies have radar and they'll wake up within because they like you and so it's like this this imp that's following you around to disrupt your meditation and you have to like escape from the House and then they're pissed that you escape the House and It was just like, wow, I'm really glad I did some work because it feels like there's about a seven year period where if you're GONNA be a present parent, your meditation may take a backseat. You still practice might you still do what you can but the what you can is smaller than it was before and so if you waste the time that you have in your. Twenties when it's your job to train your prefrontal Cortex when it's your job to figure out Oh that voice in my head is a lying bastard and maybe I shouldn't listen to it and whatever else you've got to learn and you waste your health and you end up like entering your thirties and entering your career and yard kind of burned out the way I did. To be perfectly honest. That's That's a mistake that people make and I think a lot of the things that you're sharing your videos are encouraging people to make better choices earlier, which is, which is worthy. Yeah I think. I I always believe I have this hypothesis there are four. Key decisions that we make in life. The fastest how we feel about ourselves? The second is who we love. We get love from. The Fed is what we do for money and the fourth is how we serve the what. And those those four decisions define the quality of your life. And I think the funny Oh crazy thing is that seventy five percent of those decisions are decisions that we make intentionally with awareness or with focus. So most of us don't know how we feel about ourselves or we use other people's validation of ourselves to see how about ourselves when it comes to love and who he gives love to majority of US falling to last more than love and kind of get into a messy relationship by chance by fall in May Not really know where we are I've been plenty of those two. The third thing we do is we end up doing what we hate for money for the rest of our lives and service doesn't even come into the picture for most people, and so we are almost setting ourselves up for a really struggled time and I found that in my life when I started to reengineer each of those decisions. So my videos, the reason why they are before you do this watch this or if you do this, what's this all often this happens what's is because I really believe that life is lived the transitions. And if you get, if you moss to the transition, you experience the transformation. But for a lot of us, we we try and avoid the transition we try to numb the transition. We try to distract us from the transition and therefore failed transition leads to not transformation and for me that's that's kind of how I approach it and I'm always asking myself that. Am I in the right relationship am I doing the right things? Am I doing the things that I love for this and of course, you never perfectly Derek percentages but you want to be moving in the right direction. Why would? While I'm his after say it. Why would we take relationship advice from a monk? Aren't you guys supposed to be celebrate? Absolutely. So I definitely was resettlement for three years definitely not before then that was new. That was that was probably one of the hottest thing to do as a twenty, two year old dowse Yashar. Everything giving up alcohol need I already given up for giving up alcohol before. So that was off me. Yet and giving up gambling and stuff like that out. That was so big me that but that was the big one. The reason why relationship advice from among his so powerful and the funny thing is a lot amongst offer relationship advice is that. The. Reason for month life is to truly build a relationship with yourself one of the core reasons or practices. So Brahmachari in Sanskrit one of the translations is the right use of energy. So in our teens and twenties when so much energy is spent chasing someone that we're attracted to the amount of mind space, the amount of money, the amount of energy, the amount of time that is spent trying to win over the person that you're attracted to. I mean, if you really did do audit of how much money you spent trying to date someone in people, you took out on dates and spend that money in the energy the EPA Amschel most of us would be a lot wealthier if we didn't do that. I know I would definite-. We. Waste a lot of human power energy on trying to chase someone without knowing who we are, what we need, who would complement us and what's right for us, and those are the first steps in my opinion of actually understanding attracting the right on into our lives and so the reason why monks can give relationship advice is because they can help you understand hot effective. The other part is living community when you're living with potentially some types of living with a hundred monks you dealing with nine thousand, nine egos apart from Europe dealing with nine, hundred, thousand, nine mines that are not yours and yes, your relationship is different. You're an a amorous relationship or you're not in love with this person but you're still learning ought of navigating all the sensitivities and all the different diversities of how ego in the mind show up in daily life. And so when you had to learn about how this monthly acts this now, this one reacts to this niche learn how I react. That's preparing your mind in a phenomenal way for a life of relationships, and it's almost like a urine this like what do you call it like a bag of models that analogy that's given a again and another story that I was told of a bag of marbles and it's almost like If the bag of rocks, and then when you put a rocks in a bag, you keep pushing them around margin together eventually, the edges smooth out. So we'll let shop nece eventually smoothens out all the rocks and they start to become more like marbles or at least thought to become smooth rocks, and so it takes that in the beginning and those who will just valuable skills in understanding how to navigate relationships and so yeah, you may not want to take advice on your tinder profile. You may not want to take advice on how to set up a hinge profile from among they may choose. A picture. That's too simple. They may pick Dave with his shaved head that would. So that may not that felt the kind of relationship advice. But when it comes to the relationship of your relationship with yourself, which needs to be the beginning of a relationship with anyone else. That's the relationship that Mung speak about that I talk about in the book. There's something else that that monks particularly mindful people from all different walks generally learned they learned to pay attention to what's going on in their head. and. There's at least according to my western focused attempts to try to understand the biological. Creation of EGO behaviors is all life forms have to follow the three F words I talk about like the things that you're afraid of because you don't WanNa get eaten by a tiger right now you do that right away and then you don't WanNa start at eat everything right away and then the species has to reproduce. So you put a agenda that. So there's three buckets of ego that are survival behaviors that we all do but for you at the beginning of your path or at least many gained awareness, what percentage of your mental processes was going into fear food or the other F word. Doesn't three of the ones that are completely removed in monkey or they're removed a monk line. Now when you started what what was, what was your percentage because most people listening they're frittering away their electrons on these three things right and so what's the balance like? What did they teach you about that in Monk Land Yeah I would say that I would would say you're spot on I would say even in my life, those were the three biggest for drivers before I became among to assure. One of the best things that happens in monk life and dishes the challenge that we have with the understanding of freedom in the modern world. So we think that freedom means you get to do whatever you want whenever you want, and you have all the choice in the world but really we all know through science and babble science that humans make. Decisions. They have more choice. It's one of the reasons why apple was succeeded because they had a total of. Seven products as his every other platform that like two hundred, three, hundred parts on their life, and so the simplicity of a product range and the simplicity of choice as a month. So many of these things to magically removed. So I'd say, often it's like you know you don't see months training in a strip club that isn't the goal like that's why you start training. Until I think for so many people trying to train on the battlefield of life and so we need to realize that you don't train on the field. When you go out to play the game, you don't train at the Super Bowl you train at the playoffs like the teams are playing at right now you train it training camp and training base and for ninety nine percent of us there is no training bits and this is why I think that silence seclusion and solitude have such strength for us right now, and there's such. A need for it for us because you need your training base and to the first thing is actually disconnection from the triggers of the senses because there's no point trying to learn how to effect saying I'm going to quit eating carbs but my refrigerator's only of carbs and I'M GONNA force my mind to really break through that barrier that's just wasted energy, and so the initial thing of monk life is completely removing the triggers of the sense. The second thing is retraining the mind for higher triggers a high of a Hyatt it. So you can't give up bad food unless you have healthy food that tastes good is good. and. So we wanted to process our mind to become a contracted to things that healthy for our mind and that a positive for us, and then the third step is almost reintegration where you get to test your limits on how far you can actually go. So I'll give an example. I remember we would obviously medicine the Ashram which was peaceful and calm. and. Then once we were on a seventy two hour train journey from north India to south. India now, I, I decided to fast because let's just say that the restrooms on the Fed Cross train when not restrooms they they were they. They went toilets for pit of. and. So I was on this train, and by the way when you're on this train for seventy two hours does villages you haven't got tickets that are coming onto the train usually you're hanging on the edge of your seat. So you haven't even got your own space. This isn't a fancy train it's not place 'cause we're on the train. And the train on that seventy two hour journey takes ten to fifteen minutes stops sentenced stations along the way as people get on and off. And I would always say to my monk teacher I would say, Oh yeah, I'm going to meditate in the stop. So when it's twenty minutes, I'm GonNa Popout tournaments out come back on the train because I meditate. Kale. An and my mom teach you when I said that to he looked many said he said, do you think that life is going to spill? Oh chaotic? Chaotic. and. He said, well, then you've got to learn to meditate in the chaos. Now he said you've had your stillness training, but if you caught medi on this train. then. There's no point of that training now. The problem for all of us is that we're starting training on the trade. Ad That doesn't work because we're always pushing ourselves into all the triggers. So that needs to be that separation in the beginning. That's why. immersive experiences whether you can take a day retreat a month whether you can take a week retreat a year whether you can take a month retreat every three years Hughes spending time on your own. By yourself reintegrating figuring yourself out creating training sense putting on your Alma. Skills to get out. While that's a powerful story and it kind of makes me think right now many people are spending time at home. With a much smaller group with less input than they had before. So now might be a pretty good time to learn how to meditate or to deepen a practice I. Know I I've been doing that because I'm less time on the road that's more time with electrodes on my head and breathing and all the different things I do to become more aware what's going on in my head so I, I think now might be a good time. You know think like amongst available it just if you're listening. To the show like do more breathing exercises, you don't have to commute like you have time and you're not quite in a monastery and yes, the world might kind of feel like a bit of a right now and that's okay But seriously now's a pretty good time to step it up a little bit because you're not on the train and the economy will open back up and you might as well be stronger because of the work you did now because this can be a bit like a monastery. And we saw that you know we saw that we when the lockdown started. I did I was trying to look around as to how I could serve because I find I. Find Seventy uncertainty through surveys right? That's always that's always what I'm looking for. Especially if I'm happy and healthy and safe I'm like, how can I? How can I stop that? Makes me make sense of situation. So I was looking at I saw John Legend singing on his piano on that, and then I saw these workout people leading workouts on rooftops. I can't do that as I. What can I do? Maybe I can try teach meditation. So we did twenty days of meditation. We extended it to forty days on instagram and facebook live because people wanted more and we had twenty million people join us over forty days to meditate together and ninety percent of people I would bring them onto the. Live up to its to see their experience and then say that never meditated before. So again, I trust that people are wiser smarter and more reflective than we even believe and that really proved that to me that. So many people turned up to meditate every single day for twenty minutes and by the way I'm not saying meditations, GonNa change the pandemic, but it will change your experience of it and that's what you're focusing on his changing your experience of something you can't change it, but you can change your experience on it. Now it takes. A couple thousand hours maybe to write a book at the minimum, it takes years of work before that putting things together in your head so that you know how you're going to feel. You know what you want think and and it sort of crystallizes. And we write the book you take out everything that you think is unnecessary. Here's A, here's a problem though you've got a good twelve chapters in there. I want you to tell me the three most important things in your book not the twelve what are the three most important things would be able to take away. Absolutely I couldn't agree more with the original manuscript was one, hundred thousand words and we put it back I. Think we ended up with like seventy five, thousand something like that. We like really really put it back top. And the books, the books books, Fanny think it's it's it's not a incredibly odd but yes, three key things. So I'd say the first thing I'll talk about is I really thought about the structure of the chapters and I have to pick a chapter on purpose, and there's a reason that chapter on compass is bang in the middle of the book is the fifth chapter because I really believe that that finding puppets is that cool. It's that precipice it's that tipping point. That connects the letting go of the cost and the service in the future it's like that's makes the biggest difference. So to summarize the chapter briefly in the book thirty three question understanding. Your. Dharma Dharma is the Sanskrit would that has many translations but my favorite one is eternal purpose or inherent nature, and so there's this beautiful quote by Albert Einstein what he said that everyone's a genius. But if you judge fishbytes ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing that it's stupid. And that's where most of us live where fishes trying to be birds with buds trying to be tigers, lions trying to be giraffes, which arrives trying to be zebra like we're constantly trying to do someone else's life ethically, and as the says, it's better to do your own path even with mistakes than to try and connect someone else's Paul. And so purpose will Dharma very simply as a formula because these words thrown around La. Is Passion. Plus strength plus compassion equals purpose. So passionate plus strength plus compassion equals cups. When you stop by that formula now you you what is my passion what am I strength and where does my compassion life and by the way all three of them can be entry points to your puckers. You may find your purpose through passion, which is what do I like white joy brings me life and you you have tried that I don't really know I'm not really iconic figure it out. Okay. Let's use the entry point of strengths. What? What are your power? What are your superpowers? One of the things that you do? Differently what are the things that people come to you for entrust you for in a way that they don't trust anyone else and what at the skill does that you're so motivated to improve that people could you might not meet is good as ever want, but your work ethic is going to be incredible. Or Your Work Ethics GonNa be insane. and. Then the final you may say, I'm not really know what my strengths saw. The third one is compassion where you see the most pain in the wall. And what problem are you trying to sell? So for me the greatest pain I see in the world. IS PEOPLE NOT LIVING UP TO THEIR? Potential? So I don't believe that also cancer but I believe that my work could maybe inspired someone who is smarter than me clever the me and could find cancer and figure it out if they went to reach their potential. And I. And I feel that if if I can help people tap into day unique superpower in Dharma, then the world would be a better place. I'm not the person who's going to invent a spaceship that takes us to mas or create what Dave does to help us live to a one eighty but if I can be academy so that people don't settle. Then I'm solving that problem. So I'm not saying my problems the biggest problem in the world to solve I'm just saying it's the problem I feel compassionate. and. So where is your compassion? Where is the pain that you're trying to solve? He'll in the world. So that's one of them, but I can stop dead to date because I talk about that one for a while But if you want to more I can give you two. All right I love that one. So I wanna find your purpose I would I love that answer yes. People don't have their purpose will try and take other people's purposes and feel unsatisfied over and over until they get it. So I, I love that advice I give me two more. Okay, the next one I'm going to give you is intention. So this is. Chapter four in the book and the reason why I think this is such. An important Chattah is I believe that everything has four intentions and this comes from I quote a note and he says that the foreign tensions that every act in life is done for his out of FIA. Desire, and result. Duty Responsibility or love. And he goes on to say that love. Is the only intention that trudy brings joy to our hall and the heart of others if you do things out of FIA. It may get you going in the moment and it's a useful trigger incentive in the moment that you may go. Oh my gosh. My health is a mess I'm scared of dying a let me solve this. That's a great ignition, but it's not sustainable if you keep powering yourself from FIA, mentally that's not great. The second one desired result. If you're only result-oriented, you may end up disappointed because the result may not be what you expect or the podcast. The result may not be what you expect. So even being results oriented can be completely d ability, but again, it's useful to get going. The Fed one is duty and responsibility we may do things out of duty and responsibility. They. May Cause fuel content, but they don't with enthusiasm if I was sitting here with Dave because I felt a duty to be yeah we'd be having a very different compensation if he felt he was doing this just because he felt Wouldn't be enough to experience joy. So love is that motivates to now the what I do is whether I'm looking at a business proposition whether I'm looking at a opportunity to meet with someone. Oh, connect with someone whether I'm looking at a decision I'm about to make in my life. I asked myself and I'll sit there I'll put down all my options and I right above them why I'm choosing to do them. So I literally do this exercise I'll go why am I doing the on doing that out of fear? Why am I taking that? Opportunity Resolve I just WanNa make better money doing office loved their why am I doing that one? Ego I just want to feel better about myself. When I do that. A gives me the opportunity to do the same action. UPGRADE MY INTENTION We think that actions define. Whether you're doing the right thing. But it's often the intention I'll give an example that I give to a lot of my clients want to give money in charity. Let's say you have to clients wants to give five million dollars to charity because they want the story and the other person wants to give five minutes in charity because they believed that those peop- children really deserve it really need it. Now, a both give five million charts. The action is equal. But then Nevin of -joy is completely based on the intention. The one ended the piano story didn't even get the PR quite wanted it didn't quite get meaningful in didn't even please them even if they did get it, it's kind of like a flash in the time. The person did it because they deeply loved out of love they felt all the Joyce. Intention is what's blocking us. You can have a billion dollar business built on the intention of people. Or you can be trying Chavez Small Staka just based on Ego. And that's the opposite. You can build a billion dollar business just for ego or you can serve ten people in your local community fixed you love them. and. We don't. We pay too much attention to the extent of the tunnel intentions. That's the second one that I would pick out. Good. Okay. The third one that I would pick out this one's an interest to one I would say is the. I'd say the routine chapter so I share A. Beautiful month lesson that I took away at landed share is that location has energy time has memory. So the problem too. So location as energy means spaces carry the energy of what you do in that space. So currently in Dade Studio, he records in that he comes in there I'm in my studio. This is where I recorded film. It has an energy I know the guests that have been in here I know that eating it's conversation. The currently, the challenges we eat women to sleep we sleep women to work and we were meant to sleep. So currently the energy of faces at home a completely confused, and that's why we can't sleep in our beds were staying away. We can't eat at dining table because we're trying to work that. We can't feel entertainment on our couch because we sleep their work there there. So we've confused the energy of environments as monks we had very specific rooms for meditation for reflections faces when I lived in New York me and my wife had a five hundred square foot apartment we had corn is for different things because that's all the space we had tablet a huge own to do this. Even a corner dedicated to a specific energy carries so much weight. Until location as energy, no one has said that. Ever on the show and it's so true. Any funkaway master would tell you that I I love it after seven hundred, fifty episodes that that's a new one. I'm glad that's why. I. Think Your Book Is Worthy. Because that kind of knowledge of a rational western engineering mindset like like one I used to have frankly still have to a certain extent would say what evidence do we have that? Well, try it and that's the evidence and we have generations of people saying, yeah we know this to be true and I know. At, least eight different spiritual paths people who will all say the same thing about space but no one just calls it out the way it is. So it's so cool that you did that I thank you. I found that unexpected and and an awesome. Thank you. Yeah and and that energy space you create energy through three things. If you think Jay out do wide clear energy in space. So as amongst we were taught that there are three things that create energy sites. What you see sounds what you hear and sense what you smell. We underestimate how Powell for. Are In helping us feel that way and most of us are living with our senses by default triggers alternate trees. So what's the first thing you see when you wake up in the morning? Eighty percent studies show eighty percent of the off phone the first thing in the morning and lasting tonight. First thing before we see our partners and lasting often on. that. Phone is putting you on reactive mode on ever announces priority at agenda in looking at notifications is nothing about that experience that is letting you start your day off. Right have you started to a quote that inspired or a picture a piece of ought that makes you feel moved or maybe it's a picture of your family because that's who you love. The merch or maybe it's an icon that you value like see jobs minute king or someone that that gets you got a bad feeling pumped tried to that site. Sense is a reason why for relaxing spas is reason why we felt relaxed in monasteries we had a lot of incense burning all the time in candles whether it's lavender sandalwood or a Eucalyptus. In every morning in the shower, I tend my Sharon tate steam by putting a little drops of Eucalyptus essential oils just to be able to inhale different to become aware of my breathing thing in the morning because just when I smell Eucalyptus I, WanNa be the oil in present feels much more natural to do them. what else are you breathing in breathing sent? That helps you focus better in your office or are you reading assent before you go to sleep that helps you relax or like Bacon. I I used to eat me and bacon us to taste good. So I can relate that in my I can remember what Bacon smells like. And then finally sound like sound design your life we know that music and sound can trigger emotion to nostalgia through the. To, they're making daunte sound design, your home. What's the song? You hear when you get back from work? What's the first cost you listen to when you get into the cau- once the first and last voice that you hear every day, make it intentional and see how you change your environment, and if you listened to one of this and like Jam GonNa try that out. That's what I want you to think about I just want you to try because I'll tell you why the Buddha tilted beautiful story. Of A man who wanted to cross a river. When he wanted to cross this river a, he saw all these artifacts that could Kroft a roth. So he got sticks got some rope started putting it all together. Got Some big bamboo sticks that really put those in place and he made this raw. And this Rossi jumped on trump. He got an all made out of the stick and he crossed the river. And he felt amazing. You said, wow, in created this roth I crossed the river this roth saved my life and this is my life's work. He. Then put the raft on his back 'cause. He didn't want to leave it behind because a meaningful tim. So the put a states that he started to walk through, but now he didn't have to get over a river. He had to go through. A forest full of trees when he told freeze really close by to each other. So he started to through. He was like struggling to get through because this rock was like this big thing behind him trying to squeeze through and he's realized that's not happening. And he comes to this realization. The Roth helped him cross the river But it won't help him get through the forest. And he realized he needed a different tool. So he had to put the roth down, leave it behind, let go and move on realize that that same tool that got him here will not help him get away needs to get to next. And so the tools that got you to where you are today may not be the same tools that you need to get to the next stage in your life to try out new tools give them a go experiment. J. I love your ability to to tell these simple parables you can tell just built in we didn't script any of this podcast I never. Have time and it's just a conversation that would had that quarter million people. WanNa listen to. and. When I hear you say that like Oh yeah. This this is the right. I. Really appreciate that ability to distill a lot into something that's digestible because that's actually one of the hardest communication skills there is. So you've you've mastered that some way or another I think it's engaging in chosen you know the number of people watch videos and all. which is really cool and your book I think goes a little deeper than that because you've got some science and all in there as well and I wanNA thank you for being on the show and for writing, think a monk I think it's a worthy book for people are looking for their purpose they should listen to on purpose good name podcast by the way and you know they really this just read think like among because you go into enough of those ideas were I don't think most people read are GonNa do everything? That's in there to be perfectly honest. I had the same problem with my books like was a lot in their pick something but anything that's in think like a monk that pops out for someone who reads it for the first time I would say go to the first thing that jumps out at you. That's what I would say would you follow that advice or would you tell them to go in order? No I actually I did a video and people have different views about this. But I I did a video which was how. I read a book day for a long time and I talk about how I've only deeply read books often I reading the chapter that popped out to me and think like a among works like that. So if you'll currently struggling with anxiety, read the chapter about fear if you're currently struggling with toxicity a negatively read the chapter about negatively if you're currently struggling your relationships, we'd the chapter about relationships I want you to stop auto you feel the boost of confidence and courage that this book has the advice for you and that's going. To inspire you to use read the rest of it. I really think books are like a grocery store and you go down the aisle of what you need. You don't walk down every aisle every day. What if you get inspired by one chapter that will make you rebel book so I'm comfortable with people starting with what they need and then and then going through the whole book because I have written it in a specific order for a specific reason but I'm very comfortable with people starting where they feel the most need in. Will Jay thanks again for being on bulletproof radio? People can find your book pretty much anywhere. You would normally go buy a book. All you gotTa do is look for think like a monk a your workers all over the Internet. If you just look for J. Shetty, you will pop up I always happens have a wonderful day. Thank you everyone. Thank you for listening Dave. Thank you so much for that. It was awesome I really appreciate it. Thank you in. His episode there's something else that you've got to do and it's something that's actually in the book and it involves gratitude. So if you read. 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From the Vault: The Sacred Mountain, Part 2

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From the Vault: The Sacred Mountain, Part 2

"Hey folks. If you need business, communications use vantage. They've got unified communications, contact centers and communications API's. That'll figuratively blow your mind, but literally make your mind explode from sheer joy literally. But that's it. They're great at all those. Yeah. They're not so great at say discussing how black holes form or or getting into the complexity of invertebrate emotions for that kind of stuff. We're way better, so von for amazing business communications. Yes, stuff to blow your mind for you know answers to the universes biggest questions von age. Now we're talking. We're all living in the ripple effects of history. The Butterfly flaps its wings in China in the nineteenth century, and your Uber driver misses the turn for the airport or an eccentric genius, convinced air conditioning and change the course of American politics. I'm Sean Braswell host of the thread and I'm back with a brand. New podcast presented by ozzy called flashback. A series of stories of unintended consequences listen to flashback on the iheartradio APP, apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey. To blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe. McCormack in its Saturday time for a vault episode. This is going to be part. Two of our journey to the Sacred Mountain, began last Saturday. This episode originally aired on April twenty fifth. Twenty nineteen. We hope you enjoy it. walkaway quietly in any direction in taste the freedom of the mountaineer. CAMP, out among the grasses, and the engines of Glacial Meadows in craggy, Garden Nooks, full of nature's darlings climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's piece will flow in you. As Sunshine flows into trees, the winds will blow their own freshness into you and the storms their energy. While cares will drop off like autumn leaves as age comes on one source of enjoyment after another close, but nature sources never fail I. Know that our bodies made to thrive only in pure air and the scenes in which pure air is found. Welcome stuff to blow your mind. Production of iheartradio has. Hey welcome to blow your mind. My name is Robert. Land and I'm Jim McCormick and those quotes. We just read. We're of course from the great. John you're one of great. priests of the religion of the mountains absolutely a true American Hero I. Say that without a shred of irony. Important individual in the natural preservation efforts of the United States. And I like these two quotes because he's he's getting into the power, and the of the mountains net I quote in that second he's talking about the air of the Wilderness, and we're going to be discussing the air of the Wilderness in this are second episode on Sacred Mountains, but I suppose we should. We should of course. Refer you back to the first episode of. He didn't listen to the first episode on Sacred Mountains go back. That is the. Important first installment, but let's catch everybody up to speed. And we chatted about last time sure will last time we talked about holy mountains from religious and cultural beliefs around the world and common types of beliefs about holy mountains we talked about the idea of mountains as the homes of the gods, or as the bodies of God's themselves as like entrances to other world as pillars that hold up the heavens as places of pilgrimage as places where. where the gods once were or still dwell or sleep, there's almost an infinite array of ways in which mountains have been religiously significant, and so we talked about some reasons that might be of course there are things having to do with perspective when one climbs mountain and looks down at the earth there are there. There's just the sheer fact of its size. I mean in a pretty basic sense. Yeah, and just how important natural forms are. The shaping of our cosmology in our sins of self. We discussed like the main points along these lines. In the last episode we also talked about stories expressed by many mountain climbers, certainly not only by mountain climbers of hallucinations during the journey of climbing a mountain, including the very common third man syndrome the experience of syncing another person making a journey with you, who in fact is not there right and it's very often would say a neutral apparition. Beneficial one, so it's not like. Oh, my goodness! There's a monster beside me. It's more like Oh. There's a I I thought it was up here alone climbing this mountain, but there's this this other fella and That's comforting to know that it's not just me. Yeah, we read a section from an account by the mountaineer Frank Smythe who wrote of his experiences, attempting and failing to summit Mt Everest alone in nineteen, thirty three, and he wrote in one section of his account quote all the time that I was climbing alone I had a strong feeling that I was accompanied by a second person. And, then later I remember constantly glancing back over my shoulder, and once when after reaching my highest point, I stopped to try and eat some mint cake. I carefully divided it and turned around with one half in my hand. It was almost a shock to find no one to whom to give it. And of course they're also plenty of much more recent reports of the same thing. People having strange experiences, delusions hallucinations repair at least apparently to you know modern skeptical thinkers hallucinations. It's very possible if people had these experiences in the ancient world, or if they're just less sceptically minded, they might think you know. This was a real presence with me on the mountain. There is something supernatural happening up there, right? There was something revolting about my men cake. Drove a spirited away. Now, it's clear that very high altitudes can have a number of health effects that could have neurological and psychological implications. These are generally thought to be caused by the lower air pressure at higher altitudes. This is understood to be the major cause though I think it's worth emphasizing that there are things that are still not fully understood about altitude sickness, absolutely and You know there's a whole. There have been numerous studies over the years about individuals. climatized do a high altitude. Environments th. That's something that could potentially come back and do an entire episode on. Yeah, but I think one of the interesting things about altitude sickness that we still don't fully understand is why it affects different people so differently like you can't always predict whether a person will experience altitude sickness at a certain altitude, so the generally understood major cause of altitude sickness seems to be the lower air pressure means less oxygen is compressed in the atmosphere because you're. You're up higher. This others less atmosphere sitting on the air. You're breathing right and it is an idea that we initially explored in the under pressure episode. Yes, and so this means you literally get less oxygen with each breath, and of course you need oxygen to survive. If you're getting less of it with each breath you take, you can begin to suffer negative consequences in the body and the brain right, and meanwhile you are perhaps a climbing mountain. Yeah, so you're. You're exerting yourself anyway, but it can happen even without exertion. That's important to note, and exactly what altitude it sets in varies a good bit person to person. We were just talking about a reasonable figure. At which a significant percent of people will display symptoms is sometimes cited to be eight thousand feet or twenty five hundred meters, but for each individual person. It's a toss up. You individually might be affected at a lower altitude or a higher altitude. It's hard to. To know for sure if you haven't been there before, it's usually said to be worse if you ascend quickly and don't give your body time to adapt to lower air pressure at higher altitude, so that is one thing. If you're expecting to be like hiking at high altitude, it's good to give yourself time to hang out at high altitude without exerting yourself I. always be wary. You were aboard the starship enterprise and you teleport down to a mountain top. teleport to the Lower Mountain area first! Base camps are still important guys, but some common symptoms of like mild to moderate altitude sickness would be the kinds of things you would first of all kinds of things you would expect with less access to oxygen, so maybe shortness of breath breathing harder with less physical exertion, faster heart rate. You know your heart's beating hard is trying to oxygen it your tissues. You're just not getting enough oxygen in each breath and so. So. You know you'd expect those kind of things, but also you can experience nausea, dizziness or lightheadedness, and it can mess with your natural drives such as for sleep in for food, so you can have loss of appetite headache in that kind of thing in much more severe cases of altitude sickness, you can have changes in the color of skin. You can have tightness in the chest. You can have mental effects like. Loss of loss of awareness loss of coherence or confusion there can even be coughing up of blood or loss of consciousness, and there are subsequent life threatening conditions that can come out of altitude sickness one is known as high altitude, Ponnary Dima, or hey, h, AP, where altitude sickness leads to a build up of fluid in the lungs this if you experience, it is life threatening, and you should act on this immediately. Another is high altitude, cerebral, a or Hase, when altitude sickness leads to swelling of the brain, which is very dangerous, and of course can cause all kinds of mental disturbances, and so obviously one question we might have is. If people often report seeing things that aren't there in the mountains, to what extent can these be traced to known psychological or not psychological known physiological conditions like cerebral Dima hase absolutely, and as we mentioned in the last episode. You know we're. We're not looking. This is the sole cause were the sole. Reason that one has mountain. That's, but it could certainly take. Thing that augments them or feeds them in some cases nowhere as we mentioned previously in the other episodes, there's no way that say psychological disturbances as a result of you know less oxygen, reaching the brain or something like that could explain all the myths, so one reason for that is that many holy mountains aren't high enough to cause any altitude related symptoms. I mean there there're holy mountains that are just a few hundred meters high, so it's obvious that you know these are these. These are geographical landmarks, and they serve you know they represent things to people. It doesn't have to be that. Somebody went up on there and had a hallucination that caused them to found a a religion or a myth around the mountain. Though we do want to point out that it's possible that in higher mountains, people going up into these altitudes could have contributed to beliefs, strange supernatural beliefs about some mountains right or the idea that in general mountains provide some sort of a loosening. Loosening of the veil between this world and the next. Yeah, that's a great way to put it so I want to call attention to one recent paper in particular in the journal, psychological medicine the deals with these phenomena of people high up in the mountains, having strange anomalous experiences, this was by Katerina Hook ner at all called isolated psychosis during exposure to very high and extreme altitude characterization of a new medical entity in this was published in two thousand eighteen so the authors. Authors here have examined about eighty three documented cases among reports from Alpine expeditions, and they believe they've identified a new independent condition that separate from altitude sickness in separate from any existing mental disorder. It's called isolated high altitudes psychosis now of course, psychosis is a set of symptoms that would be I hap- right way what we can call that I have I have I have oh i. didn't even think about an acronym. I happy. Yeah, this is okay. The International House of Psychosis. A psychosis is a set of symptoms including hallucinations, delusions, disorganized speech, abnormal psychomotor, behavior and negative symptoms, and additionally impaired cognition, depression and mania, so it's characteristic of of underlying conditions like schizophrenia, but can also occur in isolation due to a number of inciting stressors. You know one of the things that people often think that hallucinations can only occur if somebody has an underlying mental illness, but. But people who don't have an underlying mental illness sometimes experienced hallucinations, just depending on like fleeting stresses and things that are affecting them absolutely Oliver Sacks. Book loose nations is is always a fabulous source on all of this. Because he you know. He Discusses Hallucinogens a little bit in there, but but for the most part it's. It's all these various other causes in play, right? Right so the authors examined a list of documented cases of mountaineering, and they looked for signs of high altitude psychosis, and then they cross reference this to see whether there were always concurrent symptoms of physiological distress from high altitudes, such as a high altitude, cerebral edina or hase. Obviously you can see why if the brain is swelling with fluid that might cause things like hallucinations disturbances so. So from previous studies, we know that often psychosis occurs high altitude seems to vary a lot depending on who's doing the counting what criteria they use, so this is unfortunately a case where the the are not very solid. They seemed to be all over the place like whoo at all. In two, thousand and six found that there were hallucinations in three percent of cases with hace. Wilson at all. In two thousand nine reported hallucinations in thirty two percent of above seven thousand five hundred meters, which is a totally different criteria, and than the last thing obviously, so we're not going apples to apples here. We're just seeing what there is to to see about. Hallucinations at altitude Brugere at all in nineteen, ninety nine quote found hallucinatory experiences in seven of eight or eight percent of world class climbers who reached altitudes above. Above eight thousand five hundred meters without supplementary oxygen. Obviously, this is a pretty wild fluctuation and I don't know for sure, but I'd guess the discrepancy here has to do with the methods. They're using to select cases in these different studies right. You'd probably very different numbers If you just check to see if climbers self report psychosis versus say proactively asking them if they've had psychosis. Yeah, this is one of those spreads of numbers that. Brings to mind the whole. It just depends on how you tortured. The numbers one kind of story. You're going to get out of them. Exactly I mean I think one of the problems here is that we don't have anything consistent. To work with going into the study, so they had to try to come up with with a method of their own, and they know it's not perfect, but it's just to sort of get a rough idea where to start looking at this problem. So in the present study, the authors found first of all the psychosis of some kind often happens when you're at high altitude, their sample, which they did from consulting, existing literature yielded a result, if found hallucinations occurred in forty two percent or thirty, five out of eighty, three of the episodes that they surveyed at a mean altitude of seven, thousand, two hundred eighty meters. Meters and of these episodes, thirty four percent or twelve out of thirty, five, the nation's occurred at the same time that there are signs that the person had a cerebral deem our ace. They determined that high altitude psychosis can happen together with hace or with others, physiological effects, or without them, therefore they concluded that isolated high altitude psychosis or I have your coining Considered an independent psychological condition related to high altitude, and not just as a possible symptom of altitude sickness soon and finally they concluded high-altitude psychosis is associated with an increased risk of accidents or near accidents. That's kind of not surprising Now they propose some hypothetical causes for these non hase cases of high-altitude psychosis. One would be like social and sensory deprivation in conjunction with psychological stress stresses, often a common inciting factor for people who don't otherwise have him illness to have hallucinations. Right, and then, of course, it's so varied depending on how much stress and individual is going to have in a given circumstance how stress affecting their performance and their mental capacity. Yeah, and then you add social and sensory deprivation to that. They don't have anybody else there to talk to their climbing alone. or they have a limited numbers of people there with the their view of the world. You know there might be a lot less like color and stuff than they normally be seeing Oh. Yes, another potential 'cause they signed his quote dysfunction of the temporal, parietal junction and Angular Gyrus, due to Hypoxia, glycemic and cold. And then finally they say well. Another possibility is just that. Hey is going on in these cases, and somehow it's being under diagnosed in the field. Maybe a lot of these people experiencing psychosis do have hastened just for some reason, the normal symptoms are not showing up and being recorded. This is especially true. You're going it alone right, or or even if you you have a climbing partner. You may not be having just a regular. Check in about sure your your feelings of physical and mental health. Yeah, and of course cerebral a deem is like that. It's really dangerous like if you have this, you should be getting treated for it. That's not a time to say okay I'll just power through and dry up to the summit now this is interesting. Going back to what frank, smythe and the others have. Have talked about with with their experience of what's known as Third Man Syndrome the authors here found that when climbers reported perceptual disturbances, various kinds the majority, though not all of them, but the majority of them were either neutral or even helpful and comforting a for example, a hallucinated climbing companion who protects and guides them or a voice, encouraging them or warning them of danger. Now just because the majority of these perceptual disturbances and hallucinations are positive in nature, or at least neutral, doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about them. Since hallucinations high-altitude correlated with the risk of accidents. It's not hard to see why that would be. climbers at high altitudes should be aware that psychosis is very possible and should develop defensive strategies for what happens if it sets in. If you think you see somebody that you don't remember being there, otherwise, you should have like procedures in place for that like reality testing. Yeah, now on the other hand about the study, obviously there appears to be some weakness in the selection criteria for cases but. But I guess in this kind of study. You're limited by the fact that you can't just stick people random tests subjects at the top of a mountain and see if they undergo psychosis They're also the authors point out. There is survivor bias at play right? We're hearing stories of people who were able to report their stories right some people who did not succumb on the mountain or experience some sort of fatal accident or didn't have somebody with them. WHO got to report? What HAP- right? Yeah, they saved for future studies. You could perhaps simulate some conditions like this in chambers that simulate altitude with low oxygen or low atmospheric pressure. Also you don't need to have a huge or hugely random number of cases. If you just want to establish that, sometimes people report psychosis at high altitudes with no record of altitude, sickness or acute sickness, like hase now we mentioned already that would one of the other factors here is that not all sacred mountains are enormous sky scraping. Monuments to the Sky God right, not all most sacred mountains are probably not even tall enough for people to be reaching the same kinds of foods that are in this study, though some are the authors, your point out that Reports of symptoms reminiscent of psychosis among mountain climbers come from very high extreme altitude, so like thirty five to fifty five hundred meters, or even above fifty five hundred meters, so they're going to be tons of holy mountains around the world that the not even reach these altitudes, nobody could could climb high enough to be at the altitudes like the ones being studied in this in this research so I'd say whether the physiological or psychological effects of altitude contribute to these types of religious beliefs in some cases, especially a higher peaks. It's hard to know for sure, but absolutely it seems possible in even. Even attempting origin story for some Holy Mountains and sacred peaks around the world yet one thing and I come back to this whole idea that most of these reported cases of another of this you know the third man, or what have you is going to be a neutral or beneficial, and indeed, when we look at all these different myths about Holy Mountains, is this so many of them are about like the gods living there I wanted to find more mountain. Monsters truly did I'm always looking for the monsters, and not to say there are not mountain monster, certainly there There are traditions of things coming down from the mountains, Kravis Cetera but it kind of seems like they're. They're weighted in favor of at least the neutral deities, neutral spirits, and what have you and even beneficial beings as opposed to the the monsters of say now doom, or the lonely mountain in Tolkien. Well, maybe we can, we will explore mountain monsters a little bit. Bit Today, but maybe we can explore it more in the future just now. I didn't think about this when we were preparing, but I just remembered the mountain trolls of Iceland. How this right all right? Well, let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll look at another study and we'll move onto a particular mountain creature that yes, you might qualify. You might describe as a monster. Everybody if you're looking for better business, communications use von `age they have unified communications that Organiz, all your texts emails and voice calls onto one platform contact centers that integrates seamlessly with salesforce and API's that can help developers build communications into your APPS, but that's it. Those are the things. Varnish is really good at yeah, but not so good at exploring saving machinery of facial recognition, the Ark of the Covenant, the there, the origin of black holes, all of this in a fun and easily digestible way. Just not their thing. 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Will you describe it? And then we can discuss okay. Yeah, this one was titled Why revelations have occurred on mountains, linking mystical experiences and cognitive neuroscience This was published in Medical Hypotheses Twenty fifteen. From ours back. Lancet and blankie. Quote, here's a quote from the peace quote. Prolonged stay at high altitudes, especially in social deprivation may also lead to prefrontal lobe dysfunction, such as low resistance to stress and a loss of ambition based on these phenomena, logical, functional and neural findings we suggested exposure to altitudes might contribute to the induction revelation experiences, and might further our understanding of the mountain metaphor in religion, so they're really going for it. Yeah on this win and they they point to the major revelations in the three major monotheistic religions. Judaism, the burning Bush This is God speaks through the burning Bush. This is from exodus. Christianity is transfiguration from the book of Matthew. This is in which Jesus divine nature is revealed on lookers. And, then in Islam there's also the the point where all speaks to the Prophet Mohammad. In that also like a mountain revelation. Now. One of the problems here is getting into the idea of insufficient altitudes right? Yeah, so I'd seen. The study brought up on science blog somewhere and I thought. It was interesting because touching on question. We're asking, but I saw it in the context of it, being ridiculed because the main mountains that it's talking about aren't really that hot right, so they're not like super high mountains that would be likely to cause altitude sickness right right? Yeah, they're not dealing with Himalayan peaks here, right This is what the paper says. Though about the idea of moderate altitudes, they said although the revelations discussed here had occurred in moderate altitudes. It may be assumed that in subjects who are prone to mystical experiences. Already moderate altitudes are sufficient to trigger river revelation like experiences and revelations so. The, argument here I guess is is first of all you know not not. Everyone's going to have the same reaction to altitude like we've discussed right and that even moderate high altitude they're arguing could be sufficient. Potentially is one of those more research needed areas right, but it could be enough to push. People. Minds toward mystical experiences, especially those minds are already susceptible to say hallucination to voices or a to the experience of the supernatural, and then the the the remembrance of supernatural experience. You know it's funny that they focus on like the Abraham MC, monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam because in the last episode. You remember we had a discussion how it seems to me that That actually sacred geography plays less of a role in the Ibrahimovic religions than it does in many other religions around world whereas. In Abraham religions, it seems that when place is wholly, it's usually because the idea. The something important happened there, whereas in many other religions around the world, the place itself has some religious significance, the re the land itself the mountain is the home of the Gods, or is the body of a God, or is sacred in its own right, not just because of something that happened there right i. Imagine there could be room for a lot of theological discussion in each of these three religions, but yeah all three of these, even as we were mentioning him. We were mentioning the event they were mentioning in the paper, the event that took place the meeting of of an individual and the divine, for instance in the case of the the the the Islam examples. So. At this point I want to turn to. A. Particular Mountain entity because I think it lines up with some of what we were just discussing year, and that's that entity is the Yeti. Everybody's favourite cooler. No, not the cooler I mean unless the cooler has an actual yet the in it. That'd be a good trick. Discovered one, what was it the whether somebody in Georgia? WHO claimed they had a big fluid and like a beer cooler and was like a freezer. There's a whole whole thing about ten or eleven years ago. Yeah! I remember it well, because for one fleeting second It made me wonder. Are we about to know that there is a sasquatch? And of course it turned out to not be the case. It was like a costume or something right now. The Eddie in modern Western culture it has become just kind of a Himalayan variant of the SASQUATCH. You know if I say yet, you major picture, bigfoot or skunk ape. Whatever the regional variation of this creature is and I do think that is important is. To think about the fact that there are variations of the wild man. Being in various cultures, basically like a bipedal creature, covered in hair that is seen all around the world, but has distinct origins in each case right yes. But It was looking at I wanted to get a like a better snapshot of the this ape like beast. as far as like Himalayan traditions go, so I ran across a very very insightful. A piece titled Boonies Tales of the Yeti by Kuehne Zane Coton Tales of the creature exists through the Himalayan region. and. The author points to the different names that are given to this entity so into bip Tabet. There's gangs me or glacier man. There's me Sean Poe or strongman, and each in Poe or great man The SHERPAS College Yeti the lectures. Call it Chew Moon or Snow Goblin I like that one or low moon or Mountain Goblin in Paul. There's Nihil new or Ban Monchy. He didn't provide a track translation translation for those, but I'm assuming some treatment on these various ideas you know and then the Bhutanese say migo or strong man also Greg Poe so we get this idea of like figure of of savage cold strength with possible. You. Know Ga Goblin a qualities as well. So showed rights that the the Migo I idea here dates back to the pre Buddhist bond writings, the the pre Buddhist, animist religion. We mentioned this briefly in the last episode, the indigenous religion of Tibet it came up because Mount Kailash. Amount, Kyle, Lhasa in in the Himalayas is a peak that is holy, not just to Hindus who believe some of whom believed that Lord Shiva and Parvathi dwell on top of Mount Kailash, but it's also holy to some Buddhists, Jane's and members of the bond religion that the Tibetan indigenous religion. Religion and apparently some bon rituals call for the blood of Migo, a slain with a sharp weapon. WHOA, yeah, so yeah, so this was a pre existing idea, but then you get some Westerners involved writing, and then you get this idea exported, and and and reignited in the Western mind so British Traveller William Hugh night of the royals the royal. Society's Club recorded a Yeti citing and nineteen three on his way back to India from Tibet, and then was another sighting in eighteen, twenty, five by a Westerner by a Greek zoologist in a time Bazi. Who described like this unquestionably figure in outline was exactly like a human, being walking upright and stopping occasionally to uproot or pull at some Dwarf Rhododendron It showed up dark against the snow and as far as I could make out wore no clothes. And then later you had print sightings and and so forth in the nineteen fifties that helped popularize the idea of the Yeti in the West. Various Films certainly of television series like in search of. Helped to contribute to this idea and today, the the interest interest in the Eddie continues, but there remains no proof that the creature exists. In fact, examination of preserved evidence of Yetis tends to lean toward the intentional or accidental misinterpretation of another animal or its handiwork. Though DNA worked from the past few years for instance points does. Directly to at Asian bears as the source of the samples. So. All of this in any any time we're talking about a Yeti citing even in the Himalayan region, we can't discount hoaxes and various other reasons, but when we consider the potential effects of poxy A- and And these other like a high altitude situations. Joel I think in some degree or related Ibox? We might be talking more of a full blown hallucination, and then at lower altitudes, the effect could just be enough to make the individual. See what they want to see. When they glimpse in normal animal or another human being. So I found this idea of first of all. There is I, did see this idea echoed in searching for the mysterious monsters, a two thousand fourteen book by General for Rifkin now. This is a kids book I WANNA. See, normally, we don't side a lot of kids book, but listen was actually I was reading through it. It's pretty good at it seems to to to balance the mystical. What if with a lot of legitimate skepticism and then also I did see this idea? also echoed in a couple of journals and books, such as one thousand, nine, hundred ninety high altitude, medical science by you'd you too Cushman and vocal and I think there is a lot of Lena. Lot of similarities between for instance that that getty account that I read earlier and accounts of a third man. Here. There is some other. Creature there and Wasn't human, but it was It was hanging out. It was there I glimpsed in what you have this in in in this of course on top of. A pre existing idea of there being some sort of a Yeti creature in the mountains, and then once this idea gets becomes part of of Western culture as well then there's more room to misinterpret the evidence or even your senses now I wonder if the, if like a psychological thing kind of like the the com- the climbing companion the third. Man Syndrome is going on here. What do you think it might be? That would cause people to see a bipedal human like. Covered in hair, as opposed to seeing you know another just another human dressed like them, or to seeing like a dead relative for one of these common hallucinations of comforting figures, well on the hair thing I think certainly have one glimpsed a bear that could throw you off. I mean if you've ever seen a bear in the in the flesh. It can be this weird, surreal and frightening experience I mean hopefully a little frightening because. As far as I'm concerned, if you encounter bear, and you don't have like a certain amount of fear, you're doing it wrong. There are. Good reasons why we see bears as objects of prehistoric religions I mean I think it's quite clear that that bear worship in various forms goes back a long way. That's one of those were kind of obvious why that would happen. Is this kind of like? Too many people. The bear would clearly seemed to be like the king of Nature Yeah. This beast that can also rise up on two legs and stand like us. That is seemingly slow in lethargic, and then full of energy and ferocity that also we got into this in our winter, people episode a couple of years back a creature that in some cases digs its own grave, and seems to die, and then reemerge with life in the spring, yeah Yeah, it does. Does seem quite mystical. You can totally see why bear would be thing that you would be afraid to speak its name speak, it's it's dangerous, holy name and and why if you saw one out in the wild? Yeah, you, you might think you'd had some kind of other worldly encounter all right one. Let's leave the Yeti and take one more break and we come back. We'll continue to discuss the topic. We've quickly found ourselves in tough times that none of us. US could have predicted a couple of months ago. The economy's in a rough spot. Because of Kobe nineteen small businesses and individuals are experiencing hard times with their personal finances, too. That's why we've ramped up. How money episode releases two three times a week because people need money helped now more than ever. Yeah Joel. The virus has taken a toll on our whole world man. It's awful seeing the health impacts in the economic hardship has been really tough for a lot of. 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Yeah, so rookie, a couple of other are just examples of not mountain climbers, but individuals encountering some sort of Phantom Stranger while there is. Is the case of Serrano. Shackleton he He encountered a such an apparition, also Antarctic Explorer Peter Hillary. actually encountered a presence that manifested as the double of his dead mother. No, yeah, the whole the ancestors appearing yeah, which which is important to to think think of when when we're, we're thinking about the mountains of potential place where one can encounter the spirits of the departed. So renew roundabout around about this I ran across a scientific American article from twenty ten. On the since presence effect, and this was from Michael Shurmur, always a great source to turn to for discussions of paranormal experiences, because he is an individual who has had paranormal experience Oh. It was If I'm remembering correctly, it was like a like a cycling marathon he was on. It was a it was like a strenuous exercise, and then he ended up like seeing an alien, but it was because of like something he'd been watching previously. He's written about it. quite a bit but you know applying the skeptical mindset, and then understanding how hallucinations occur. How. We think about hallucinations after they occur. takes all of this account so. He touched on all of this. And he pointed a to four or so scientific explanations th that that that he's really really the heart of what's going on when when people like this encounter, some sort of spectral apparition, or at the third man, etc, first of all isolation triggers the mind to hallucinate the normal feeling we get when we're working or traveling. Among other people which seems to be a standard here then the rational control of emotions shuts down due to oxygen, deprivation, sleep, deprivation, or exhaustion, and this opens the door for inner voices in imaginary companions. Next. He says are temporal lobe body scheme. This is the brains image of our body. What it's doing is tricked into thinking. You have a double in ever up for a game of rationalization story making the brain then constructs, a plausible explanation for this doubles presence. Okay like there's another person a there's another human being. That's covered furs and their next to me oh well. I guess that is another mountain climber. Likewise though I could see where this would be exactly the kind of thing that could be misinterpreted as a Yeti right because if you're climbing a mountain in the Himalayas, you're probably bundled up head to toe. You probably don't look like. A low altitude human anymore then there's the mind Schema. Psychological sense of self and it's simply coordinating independent neural networks to solve the problem with survival in extreme situations in the hallucination comes out of its function of making this feel like we're a single mind, yeah, but then o on the on the sleep deprivation of situation he he points to Charles Lindbergh's transatlantic flight. Insurer quotes. His writings quote the fuselage behind me becomes filled with ghostly presences, vaguely outlined forms transparent, moving riding weightless with me in this plane conversing in advising on my flight, discussing problems of my navigation, reassuring me giving messages of importance unattainable in ordinary life. Shurmur also shared his own brother-in-law member of Fred zeal or Zeile. Ex- experienced a since presence on both of his Everest climbs the first case involved frostbite, and the lack of oxygen in the second entailed his collapse from dehydration hypoglycemia. Quote tellingly when I asked his opinion as a medical doctor. Impossible hemispheric differences to account for such phenomena Fred noted both times the sense was on my right side, perhaps related to my being left handed. The central presidents may be the left hemisphere interpreters explanation for Right Hemisphere Anomaly Oh. This takes us back to our split brain episodes. Is that the idea of the the interpreter now? Normally, this would be the left hemisphere interpreter this Michael Zonta Gez idea of the. The interpreter, being this function in the brain that sort of ties, together disparate neural phenomena into one experience that we since as a single unified whole and sort of tells a story that makes it all part of the same game, where in fact you know the hemispheres, as was shown in Split Brain, experiments can behave quite independently of one another. Yeah, but but we've got this thing that Gazzaniga calls the interpreter that Says No. No, no, that's all you just you. So two things come to mind and discussing all of this first of all is I'm all anytime. We discuss altitudes and pressure I'm reminded of the fact that human beings are not a creature that evolved to thrive on the earth there there, a creature that evolved thrive in a very thin atmospheric layer on the earth. Yeah, and then only within certain ranges, and when we get out of those ranges when we get out of there are layer. That we we thrive in We run into problems. The other thing I'm reminded of is Joe. Have you ever been to a? Children's musical performance, preferably a band or orchestra. I've been in that performance into one, too. So you know how ideally if everybody's doing doing their job, and the you know the the the conductors pointed altogether There's a unity you know. They're performing this this piece sometimes, but in other cases, things kind of drift and fall apart. and. I feel like that's kind of what's what's being described here. At at at high altitude, the the orchestra performance that is our mind state is is drifting. It is like it is. It's not so much A. Professional level performance anymore. It is a middle school band. Performance and things are getting out of sync. Things are getting out of whack, and then what does that mean when we are the performance? That's a really good analogy, because in that case, I mean you got even if Gonzaga's interpreter theory is not exactly right, there clearly is a way in which the mind the human brain is performing itself for an audience of itself like you and away are the audience of what your brain is doing, and so you're there watching how the show is going, and if the show is not going right you, you are syncing it even though you're also the thing that's messing up. All right so. I'm not a mountain climber. I'm not a mountaineer, I visited mountains. I've had I think I. discussed like maybe a very limited reaction to an increase in altitude that was slightly noteworthy, but I know we have to have some mountaineers out there who are listening to the to these episodes or listeners, a regular listeners to the podcast, so we would obviously love to hear about your experiences. Experiences at how high altitude have have you ever experienced anything like what we were discussing here or have you simply have you never experienced? Or perhaps you can just speak to the the on Majesty of the mountains. Perhaps you've visited some of the sacred mountains that we mentioned in the first episode on. You have a particular favorite. You wanted to discuss. We'd love to hear from you. Another question I have is. So outside of Lord of the Rings, outside of skeletal or Snake Mountain and masters of the Universe and the Traveling Mountain fortress of the beast and crawl. Are, they're evil mountains in mythologies and folklore that we we neglected to mention because I was I was looking around for him, and I like I say the mountains tend to be. Part of just a sacred. Ecosystem. Geography or are home to various beings, but like this idea of there being like a amount doom, a place of of evil you know, or or the place that has been occupied solely by an evil force I, just didn't see as much of that like aside from a few mountain trolls and a few campuses here and there and certainly a few things could may be classified as as monsters earth, thriving amid other magical creatures and spirits at say Kunlun Mountain. What are some potential examples here? I don't know that's a good question. I'm sure there must be mountains that are believed to be held or something like that a place of evil gods, and that are physical mountains on earth, but I didn't I. Don't think I came across any so bring us. Your monsters is what I'm saying. 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151: Dave Asprey | Biohacking the Way to a Bulletproof Life

"Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan harbinger. As always I'm here with my producer Jason to Filipo, my friend. Dave Asprey is one of the guys that essentially pioneered the biohacking industry. I in fact, I don't even think we really talked much about biohacking before he came on the scene. He spent over a million dollars and twenty years, it's probably mill- millions at this point and twenty years biohacking, and he scaled that to a nine figure business over the past few years, which has just been incredible to watch. Everyone's heard of bulletproof coffee, I've gone to a bunch of different countries Australia. They got bulletproof coffee. It's just everywhere. And today we're talking about brain kryptonite. This is the focus of his new book. It's called headstrong by brain kryptonite. I mean, we're talking about things like increasing energy in your brain. Why this is important, and we focus on getting rid of brain fog and being able to stay focused for a longer period of time. I found those skills particularly useful here. I don't do health related episodes, y'all know that especially because I'm no. Expert in this area. But I wanted to help get the word out about Dave's work because I think we can all use a bit of a boost in the brain department, especially and if you wanna know how I managed to create this network for myself of incredible guests, great friends. Well, I do this deliberately it created. A course that is free for you about how to start that process. That's over at Jordan, harbinger dot com slash level one. All right. Here's Dave Asprey. Dave, tell me your backstory because you're one of the guys that essentially pioneered the biohacking movement unless I just don't know about everything that came before an which is possible. But I know that in the beginning on ramp was bulletproof executive on the you're not still have that brand. And then a handful of other people who were doing things that I can't even remember. And then suddenly I took a nap and woke up and bulletproof coffee was all over the world. What happened is it's been twenty years doing research in a nonprofit for anti-aging talking with all these punctual medicine people. And other experts in nutrition, and I realized there's a whole bunch of bodybuilders of here in pro athletes over here in navy seals over here in astronaut recovery. People hear neurologist, and none of them talk. And I wanted full control my of my own biology, and I said we've got a name for this. So I came up with this name biohacking, and I wrote it in my first blog post this info graphic about it. And I didn't trademark name. I said, you know, I wanted to be a community trademark bulletproof and bulletproof executives. That's my company. And it's in the biohacking field started the first biohacking conference six years ago one hundred people shop and last year, we had I think about three thousand people in a little bit under three hundred twenty eight hundred or something and we're having our next biking conference in April fifth in LA, and what happened is this year? Miriam Webster is added biohacking to the dick. Yeah. And I'm in the definition to which is really. Oh, that's so they're calling me like on whatever that was Fox News or. Something on TV like the father biohacking, which is which is really cool. I've never been a dictionary before you know, you can make the Forbes list, but you really can't really big in the dictionary is even hard. I was those kind of surreal moment. Somebody texted me. Like, did you see this? No, it's awesome. Yeah. So the ideas is you can change the environment around you an inside view to get control of your own biology. The first use of biking was in ninety two but it was more about inserting jellyfish genes into your cat. So it'll glow and things like that. So are also cool though, pretty cool to try that on yourself. I was going to like to my sister. When I was young, but didn't work it didn't work. I'll just call her with yellow markers. I was forced their fair, but she's still gloat at least for a little while. I remember when I was taking those glow sticks as a kid that you on Halloween, and I would pour them all over myself. And I'd be like, look, I'm going on my mom would freak out. Because who knows what's in those? There's no way like it's in a thick plastic shell because you don't want your kid to chew it open. Right. But I managed I haven't determined. I've bathed myself and that stuff more times than should. Yeah. Absolutely. I can imagine. I don't think that counts as backing. But it was preliminary. No, I mean, it might be it might be the opposite. And a lot of ways you also had to lose a bunch of weight and everything right? I mean, how did you originally get into this? I know it was was not because you're like, I'm still healthy even healthier. It was sort of the opposite. Yeah. I had arthritis diagnosed when I was fourteen in my knees is that genetic then no, it's probably environmental and knowing no knew it was at the time. I was obese at three hundred pounds. When I was about twenty three. And re hundred pounds. I'm for people who are watching us. Do you mind? If I ask how much you wait, wait two hundred three pounds right now. And I'm nine point six percent body fat, and I have nineteen point four pounds of fat on my body. So used to have like one hundred nineteen point four give her it's hard to know if it was guilty. It's hard to know how much that was inflammation versus fat. It's someone to weight I lost. But I'm sure that a lot of information. But I also I was forty six inch waist. I'm a thirty three inch waist now. I'm actually lower than I was as a junior in high school while which is phenomenal forty five not bad. I also I got other diseases of aging. So I'm twenty-six working in Silicon Valley six million dollars. And I was twenty six is that the company that held Google's first server? I was a co founder of the of part of that company. And we ended up starting the data center and cloud computing, business and. I started in brain fog to the point. I bought disability insurance because I wouldn't hire myself. Can remember anything? Oh, man. And you were we coating I was dealing. I was more of an architect. I ended up running program for the university of California to teach engineers how to build the internet's with like how how should it work? How must it works? I was a coat originally within a became technology architects, kinda guy probably helps to know how to remember things in. It was straight your head point. It was terrifying. Actually, and also, my emotions would just get all over the place, and then I said something's wrong. And I said I'm going to just exercise. I'm going to lose the weight. No matter what I've had a couple of knee surgeries by then. And I worked out an hour and a half a day six days a week. And after a year eighteen months of that I didn't lose. Anyway, I could Maxwell the machines. And I rose I less than all my friends, and I work out more than my friends. I'm fat with all my friends, and I thought it's a moral failing. I she less lettuce leaves or something. And what it was was the wrong stuff, and there are environmental factors that are involved. And is fired my doctor when he told me about him and see would kill me. And that maybe I should lose weight when I told them what I did. He just looked like he knew I was lying. I was clearly leaving just stuff in Snickers. Right. And is very common doctors are topped this. And I'm like, okay. No one's gonna help me. I'm just going to hack this. And fortunately, I am a computer. So I stayed up every night. And I would just read PubMed, and I would take by the way, I lost my six million dollars two years after I made it so I haven't oh silicon. Yeah. It was a great couple of years that I was just by anything I thought would help and I dug really deep I learned to electoral currents on the body and the first infrared light for the brain almost twenty years ago EEG neuro feedback, and then I started running an anti nonprofit group that let me talk to people three times my age who are reversing the symptoms. I had I was diagnosed with high risk of stroke and heart attack and prediabetes before I was thirty. Wow, you are super unhealthy rash. Are there? People in your family that are that unhealthy or. No. I mean, my mom said. The family isn't particularly there's a lot of autumn unity because you get there. You know, how did you get that unhealthy stress? What else stresses probably a part of it? But it was what environmental strips. So there's two big factors. One of them is if you're sympathetic dominant or you have a strong fight or flight response, basically if you're anxious. Yeah. And for me, we trace that back into exactly where that came from the comes from two places this common entrepreneurs the most common if you're bullied. Yeah. Okay. It's like you lined up any computer guy for that one pretty much. I mean, we've gotta mastermind talks with Jason or any of these big on from conferences, you ask around the everyone in the room was bullied. It's just how it works. And then you gotta prove something. So I had some of that. And also I was born with them Bill a cord wrapped around my neck, hell, I've I've heard of a lot of people. Yeah. And I've I actually got to work with the woman who invented for thirty years. She's around the group on the student inventive. But she she documented progress the science on pre and perinatal trauma. So I came into the world ready to kill things trying to kill me. And I never. Stopped and it also affected. My ability make connections with other people because I'm alone. Like nothing safe for and I did saw that in my early thirties. I I did a lot of personal involvement work. So that was a part of it. But the biggest part I grew up in a basement that had had a water leak, and there's toxic mold in the basement. So an additional this weird stuff auto immunity. I'd have nosebleeds every day at rashes and asthma and just all this weird stuff. And now that I've done a documentary on toxic mold energy, all the top experts and started a company helps to solve that problem and even eliminated mold in the bulletproof coffee beans, I understand exactly the biology this stuff. And so it happened to me as I got Hasha photos, which is a fired condition. A lot of entrepreneurs happening. It's so funny. I was just going to say no like this seems to be the thing that everyone is either being diagnosed with now, and it's because they did not find it before. Or it's more common. Always just a bias confirmation bias on my part. I love it that you said that though because I interviewed a ton of people on my show. Oh and wrote a book called game changers. That's just coming out and one of the rules, this these are Forty-six laws based on my interview. And just my love of Robert Green's work on you just interviewed autograph? Yeah. So a hero of mine, and this idea that what do all of these high performers do who I've had on on the show, and if some of them mutual mutual friends people who've been on on your show, but I ask them these questions in one of the things that came out of it is that I'm not going to paraphrase the logs xactly, right? Yeah. Memory because there's forty six of them. But the idea is that if you burn the candle at both ends, you don't get that back. And what happens is entrepreneurs orders, high stress people when you hit a certain emotional or work stress thing, and you don't sleep and you're flying over place, and even if you're over exercising, and especially with environmental insults like that. So my entire life go. This is Debbie. Condemn you. Once you hit that wall. And then you get a little car accident or you get a virus or some or, you know, a family member dies another stressor. It pushes you over and then autoimmune returns on so people like you meet were more likely to have our immune system start attacking body. And the first thing that gets attacked is your thyroid profit. Why is that the case? I don't know why the Thyroiditis I think we know why your immune system does that. But the deal here is is really straightforward from talking all these people in force myself through the thinking too structured in the book is that you can push me hard, and then recover, and he pushed hard and recovering. What I did. Like, just turn the volume all the way up and just leave it. There is holding slow to the floor cover and sign. Yeah. Right. I'll young. Yeah. I'll just push harder. It's it's a willpower thing. And so what you end up doing is you permanently? Put the brakes on once you start doing that all the energy that should go into repairing yourselves because king your cells, and you can undo a lot of that. And I've managed to turn off my hush mother's antibodies. But here's the deal. As a thing for high performers the best people in the world, they push really hard. And then they recover like maniacs. And they pushed hard that recover and the ones who are running from something, you know, after prove I'm good enough to run away from failure the way, I made my six million in lost my six million with that kind of a mindset. That's what breaks you. And that was a part of my issue. So I had a chemical assault from the toxic mold that was in my bedroom, and I had emotional stress, and then, you know, you go to work like I'm gonna push really hard. And then you go through a bad breakup and things like that. And all of a sudden your body just starts to between you. You're listening to the Jordan harbinger show with our guest. Dave asprey. We'll be right back after this. This episode is sponsored in part by hostgator. Do you have a business card? If you do it probably lists your website. If you don't have a business card. It's probably 'cause your website serves that purpose. Virtually either way you got to have a website. It's twenty nineteen. There's no excuse for you, not having a website, it should the clean it should load easily should hardly ever go down. So if you want your home on the internet, let our friends at hostgator handle your website needs. It's never been easier. In the best thing is you can start today. 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And I never quite understood that it doesn't there's nothing readily coming to me that says so I'm really stressed out there for my body should attack itself. But what's what is the process that's happening here, I realized doctor, but you know, all about I mean, your time science author at least I have a good day. You should have a good understanding. I have not written about the immune system specifically about might. Oh, Qendra which are the power plants in the cells. Mel my last book with by exactly these guys they're ancient bacteria that since the environment, and they're trying to figure out is this a stressful situation or is this not and they're doing on a cell by cell basis, and that can roll up into their interpreting stress that maybe you wouldn't think of stress, but they already got the signal before you had a chance to think about okay, and that's definitely a part of it because they're the ones that the first line responders, and we also know based on the work of a doctor named Candice per she's a researcher who's passed away. Discover the opioid receptor in our brand so very celebrated figure in science and she went from this hardcore western rationalist approach to more of a very balanced eastern western approach, and she actually showed in her work called the molecules of emotion that your immune system has a memory of its own. And what tends to happen is that in the case of toxic mold it creates compounds that causes your white blood cells immune system to get hyper aggressive, and it oftentimes sensitize your white blood cells to the proteins that line say at your thyroid or very commonly, your Noushin, call them violin binding in. Yeah. And and so because these are molecular mimics, you get that. And it's also well shown that if you learn to meditate, if you relax you increase, your hurry, Villy, you you learn how to not just think your children, but actually chill that it reduces inflammation, the immune system. The immune system is kind of a mimic of what's going on inside our brain. But the exact mechanism. Rooms of autumn unity. Once we crack that is going to change the world fact last weekend, I was at the expert visionary with Peter Jimenez, and one of the big x prizes that I think got nominated for next year was funding a ten or twenty million dollar prize specifically to deal with autumn unity. I believe the number one cause about immunity is environmental toxic mold because I've seen it over and over and it's such a democ- problem. And the number two cause is. It's either hate or stress. They're going to go down. They it's like, it's a psychological, emotional spiritual thing that's part of it. I know you've spent like a million bucks. Just I was going to insert a really crude joke here. But I want messing with your own biology and biohacking yourself we lost twenty years. And I think that's pretty fascinating. Because a lot of people who are in this field. They will take that sample size of one. And then say, here's all this stuff. We're going to do. Luckily, your sample size seems to be enormous right now because I just got back from Austria. And every cafe had bulletproof coffee. Some of them are real. Yeah. I was like is it really the same beans. And then I they're just like, no, we just take whatever coffee on them. We throw some some key in it or some just butter, and that's it is available in Australia, but not widely and here's the deal. I thought about this. When I first started this anytime, you put butter on your coffee instead of milk, you're getting more benefits from your coffee than milk because milk steals and accidents from coffee, so even if everyone. In the world switches to butter in mouldy coffee, the world is still better off. But it's not gonna call it. That is called butter coffee. Share share? Yeah. You can try that. But I think the problem the problem such the best thing is look if you invented tissue paper, and you call it Kleenex, and then I grabbed a Costco brand. And I say, it's a Kleenex. It's it's not it's not the official thing. But like when you're brand has made it that far into what do you call it the public conscience? It's an honor pretty cool. Yeah. But it would we've spent a lot of letters to make sure the trademark is. Well, protect. Yeah. Yeah. You can see. I mean, I think that that ship has probably sailed in some countries though, oh, we have global trademarks enforcement in different countries different. Could go broke trying to enforce the. Yeah, I think it's it's probably it's better for your brand be recognizable than to go. After the food cart at the mall in Australia. I got the best photo from a remote town in India. And there's a little Handmaid's bulletproof coffee. He had whatever coffee was not bulletproof coffee. And I don't think we can find. Guy to send him a warning letter. And we wouldn't but I wouldn't say if you're thinking about putting coffee and cafe wills heavily. So you the beans that are lab tested for multi brain octane, which is required. It's not MCAT oil. It's different and better, and we'll get you some grass with butter. That's easy. Nice. Well, okay. Look silicon valley's inhaling bulletproof coffee branded or not David Beckham had it or something. I think I saw that somewhere on. There was something on social about that. And Hollywood loves it, and it sort of spans the gamut of people that it went beyond the laughter curtain of why the hell are you putting butter on your coffee. It went pretty fast. And this is a lesson for entrepreneurs listening, and it's the opposite. What they taught me at business going. I went to Wharton. Yeah. Same same school is Trump Adam grant, and your defense, I'll grant with their to a lot of people with their a lot of great people. I think it's fantastic school. The the only issue is they didn't have a built in ethics Pergamon. I went there was the only school that didn't. So we were giving them a hard time about it. I think they've sense remedy that. But they taught us a one class it's cheaper to spend a dollar telling people your product is good than it is making the product. Oh, that's depressing. It's let's in business schoolteaching highlight. That though time it's cheaper to spend a dollar telling people your product is good then to spend that dollar actually making the good, and I fundamentally believe that's unethical. And I also believe people are smart enough to buy what works and having an efficacious product a product that actually does what you say that you can feel and see a difference. So the reasonable took off wasn't. The the brand. Although I think it's pretty awesome name. It is a great name. I thought about stealing many times. But I like you too much to do that. Thank you. Yeah. Nice. But. The honest truth. Is that people try it, and they go I thought it was be us. But I actually noticed a difference. I felt I think I wanna feel this way more. And then they tell their friends because they wanna share something that matters. And that's what made it spread. You know, probably couldn't call it. You know, buttercup or something? Yeah. Maybe it wouldn't have been as cool to refer though to wouldn't have done as well in the bro culture in butter buttercup. I know I rem- I remember the nineties. There was this. You might remember this was like an Arctic expedition the guys were walking to the North Pole or something like that. And I remember there was this nine hundred number member those updates. So my friend was that we're all at some kids house, and we're like, let's call this nine hundred number because it was a bad thing to do, and we'll get updates on the Arctic expedition, so he called and they were like, these guys are hiking. And here's where they are. They're one hundred miles north of this and every day they put butter in their coffee, and we were like that. So disgusting. Yeah. But I think they just needed the calories. It wasn't like this is helps us absorb with. I think they were just starving, and they needed the densest thing they could carry which is pure fat. So they just put that in there. Coffee is true. So Kerry, butter and bacon, fat or. Hello, and like some sort of carbs, and that was about it. Yeah. It was because these guys are on foot. I mean, there's not a whole lot. They could do. And so then when I heard about bulletproof I was like they kind of had this. But it was a little different. And you only need it when you were shivering so bad that you needed five thousand calorie at seven thousand calories a day. It's kind of funny. The idea for bulletproof coffee came to me because I had exhausted the western medicine stuff. And I knew I wasn't happy. And I believe that everybody wants to be happy. I was just willing to literally go the ends of the earth for this. So when I try to list off that was supposed to work and didn't I said, I'm going to go learn meditation from the masters, so I took offered Tibet, and it's been about three months in Nepal into bed and went to monasteries meditated things like that. And then went to mount Kailash, which is remote western Tibet middle of nowhere five days. Four wheel drive to get there and five days in a four wheel drive. You get their hours a day. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That does not there's no way to get there on a plane or anything. No. This is one of the most remote parts of the world now and. It's where visiting Mount Olympus of Buddhism and Hinduism. So this is where the gods live on. This mountain knows ever climbed the mountain, and you go and you walk twenty six miles circuit at eighteen thousand feet elevation around. It sorta like tonner the mountain said I'm going to go do this just because it's one of the things that Jones ever died like it lists. No one from the west. It turns out a lot of people go there in the middle of summer from India and Tibet it's one of those going back sort of things. So I'm going to try this. But I got there two months late, and it was ten degrees below zero. And there's thirty mile an hour winds, and there's only eight people in these little guest house, the call the mud huts on the and I'm feeling racks because the allegation is cold all the way recovered now and this little bit and woman, I saw a picture of her. She gives me yak butter tea, and I drink and it was like game on feel so much better. And it just stuck in my head. I made a habit of noting when I felt amazing. I felt crappy. So I could just find the variables that caused it. And I drink a lot more of that. And when I came home, I decided. All right. I'm gonna start experimenting. I ended up doing the mold free coffee grass fed butter because I tested regular butter. It doesn't work, and I added the brain octane from the knowledge I had from the anti-ageing group, but something else happened in Tibet. I haven't talked about very much I descended seventy five hundred vertical feet in one day. And I completely jacked up, my knees. So I already out arthritis a little like walking down the downstairs for you know, a mile and a half vertical or something. You know? It was I five days could not walk him, a two polls. I could barely massive swelling agent pain. So we're driving to bet, and I really wanted to go in this walk, but I wasn't gonna be able to do it. So we stopped this little mud building on the side of the road and asked to Chinese guy the bus, and you could read the menu. Hey, what does it say? And he read everything I'm looking for collagen. I know I need collagen in my joints. That's what they're made out of just to repair them. There's only one menu item that will fit the Bill. It was pigs ears. Oh, delicious. By the way. I got a bowl of cold boiled pig. Xeres? It was horrible. Really? They're kind of good if they're done, right. I know what you're talking to like the one guy had bulls of pigs ears and just haven't had Xeres, buddy. You know? I imagine that could be good roadside without refrigeration nowhere. It was brutal. They've been dictum in hot soups, and they really chewy. But the next day, my knees were fifty percents header I just needed the materials, and I'm not putting pigs ears at my coffee. So the reason you see call minute business idea exerience coffee to you're all over at. I've guys like, yeah. There's there's a there's a brand here. They can prove Kovai can break improved coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Except it's it's not quite bacon. It's. I'll make it Latin. So it sounds fancy big annoyed yet bake annoyed. So what I ended up doing when I came back is. So all right. I know from the stuff would call collagen does biochemical I'm going to start using it as a performance supplement. And the reasons he called you in every right now, it's all because bulletproof put calls on the map. So the regional posts about biohacking. We're hey, the type of this weird brain octane and stuff this butter in coffee, the purity of the coffee at collagen protein, and those things helped me to resculptured my body like these are fundamental technologies that were missing from the story. And it's that sort of stuff where you just notice one thing in the environment. And he said, wait why? And then you dig in science, and then you build a product out of it. Forty eight million cups, and I hate to harp on the coffee, but it's really this is kind of the flagship product, I know, you have a million other things. But I I am curious because forty eight million cups of bulletproof car that was long time guesstimate. Oh, really that was a long time ago. So probably one hundred and fifty million now, you know, that we yeah. Because. I saw that in the guardian and it was like last year. But the articles shows like twenty four I think it was twenty sixteen. Yeah. And but I was just thinking those poor yaks, right? They're getting milked raw. But all six, right. Why does it matter where the butter comes from because I think, and I don't wanna get too into the weeds on this. But I found that interesting because then it's not just the fat right because you can get fat anywhere. Yeah. It turns out. There's super toxic fats fats do all sorts of things. So you can't say fast good or bad for you. It depends exactly which fat. And when I came back. I just bought some butter, and it was organic butter. It wasn't guys fed and some tea and blended just tasted it and didn't make me feel good. And what the heck? So I ended up trying all these different teas hundred dollar an ounce t kind of things all these no difference. So then I went to the gourmet store at twenty four different kinds of butter. And I just tested them. All I said, wait, he's to work, and those are the grass with butter, and okay, it feels different if views with butter so I- standardized on that. And this was just a process of. Station and elimination. And then I tried coconut oil and coconut milk. And then I tried MCAT oil, which is four different kinds of fat all mixed together. One of which do anything by logically compared to the others. And I ended up after trial and error came up with the one of the four kinds of MCAT, that's brain octane. Well, that was the one that you could feel the kick it had the most effect three years after I launched that UC San Diego came out the study that shows it's four times more Kito Janik. It causes key tones to rise in the body. Even if you had carbs four times more than coconut oil and twice as much as the MCAT. What does that even work and probably three times more than plain old MCAT, wouldn't including all the junk stuff that that you can buy that doesn't raise key tones at all I want to switch gears a little to the brain stuff. 'cause I I actually I got a little sidetracked on the coffee because I'm interested, but the brain kryptonite, and some of the things that are on some of the ideas from headstrong are really interesting because there's a lot of people that think they're eating right, myself included. I mean, I'll I'll be honest. I think eating right sometimes. But a lot of entrepreneurs. Complain. Oh, I slow down a lot or I've brain fog or maybe I'm burning out. And it seems like that's probably true. A lot of us over worked. But I think a lot of us are getting the wrong kind of fuel or we're in environments where things aren't so good. And I know for me one weird observation that I have is let's say you're wearing way too much cheap Cologne and playing I not only at my cranky. You can ask anyone who's been close to me for any amount of years. But I can't do I either get ravenously hungry, but I'm craving junk food, and or I can't sit down and do a task. And I thought it was just getting distracted by the smell. But there's something else going on. It's biochemical. Yeah. I I've gone through phase of my life where I had the same problem. It comes and goes, and that is a toxin effect. And the reason you're getting the sugar craving like that is your cells or freaking out there. They're interpreting that as toxic assault, which frankly is that sofas immigrant disrupting for you. But when that response happen. They're sending out an emergency signal. And they're saying make a lot of energy fight or flight gets triggered. You don't have the energy there each you. Gotta do. Yeah. And it turns out if you want to nail that. When it first happens what you can do is you can actually have two packets of sugar. It's just a couple of bites of something with sugar coffee helps a lot and there's two different three different things that I'll take if that happens one of them is called Kito prime. And yes, these are sometimes I make I'm not trying to sell them. Yeah. Like, I make them for reasons. Saying Kito prime makes it so your cells can make energy more easily make another something called unfair advantage little ampules with I've had that before. Yeah. That stuff in that situation, the cells. Oh, I needed that. These are building blocks for energy. And so the energy demand. Your brain just went way through the roof. Okay. Here's a little sugar. You can burn it. And here's some stuff that's going to make it. So that it burns more smoothly. And then, of course, brain octane works and there's a supplement. I also made called glutathione, which is the primary detoxing antioxidant. So you can start. Oba's up, and then what would have been a zombie. If I'm as real back in my head, and I'm cranky, and it turns into okay, I'm back, and I went from times when life without happening. I'd just be down for the count for like the whole day. Right. And now, I join recover within a few minutes if I just hit it with the right stack, and it is an energetic thing in the cells. And that's now Hackel. Will will? I like the idea that coffee helps as well. Although usually, I just wanna pour it on the person that's wearing all the Cologne. It's sometimes really helpful because it washes the Cologne right off, it's scalding. Hot an Uber car this morning and oh the air fresheners. I always get it. I gotta get just ask them. I'd say could you could you toss glovebox and then that quite seriously? But this guy wearing so much, and it was I go for the whatever the select ones because they usually don't have all the crap in the car. The guys weren't so much clone. Roll the windows down kind of hang the window. Whereas, yeah, it's gross. It's the worst. Yeah. That's that's how I knew that something is wrong because I got an Uber once and I was fine. I was really happy. I was talking to my wife. The phone, and I got in the Uber, and I immediately got ravenously and kind of like danger zone level of hunger and angry angry the right where? Yeah, I got angry, but it was immediate. And I said, hey, man. Can you take out the air fresheners? And he goes sure any pulled over to the side of the highway which has not what I intended for him to do in. He reached in, you know, those drink holders on the side of the Carta. He reached in on one side with his hand and pulled out seven qb airfresheners than reaching the other side and pulled out seven more in each door. And then he threw them in the glove box and slammed the glove box. Shut. And I was like you have like thirty airfresheners in his car, and driver that mimics estrogen in the body disrupts all kinds of things, including your thyroid, you wanna talk about Hasha motos dysfunction synthetic fragrances do that those things should be banned. Why does that what's going on there? I didn't know that you could inhale something and it would trigger that much like smoke. I mean smoke for. Yeah. Okay. Now that you. Put it that way. It makes very power inhalation. Yeah. I believe in college I experimented with the inhalation administered industry. But it doesn't hit us hard. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. It just takes longer. That's right. That's right. So so I've heard good point. Well, I'm going to recover from that somehow. But let's go back to being entrepreneurial that shoe, you're cruising along you're trying to get stuff done something that you didn't choose like that wax you over the head. And now you're still because you're good person. You're gonna succeed you're gonna grit your teeth you're gonna play willpower. We'll probably still use the electricity like everything else, but your electrically just got stolen right now, you're pushing but the solar is always the floor. You're not going fast, you're slowing down. And what are you? Do you're going to get angry. It's natural. So it's our responsibility, especially as especially you have a team working for you, your energy state is reflected in your company because somebody that I've learned I spent a huge amount of time meditating with electrodes on my head and stuff like that. Because I wanted to be able to grow bulletproof. I wanted to. I have to have my shit together. Right. And that means that if something happens in the world around me that makes me weak. I've got to have a countermeasure or I've got to be able to just remain calm. And it's let us remain calm and have enough energy. Is Hartman calm when you're crashing. So I avoid the crashes and you'll eliminate toxins or just remove some of the environment. You eat your blood sugars and crash. You get background key tones by putting Brockton and stuff in your food on your coffee, whatever and all of a sudden, you have stable energy. And that means when you need to make decision apply willpower. You have more resilience and resilience is what makes an entrepreneur Abel's succeed at the end of the day. And stops you from yelling at your assistant or your spouse or all that it's all about the rain. That's why my first first book was what do you eat to feel good and look good and not spend a lot of time worrying about it. The second book was what do you do to make your brain work way way, more often and longer and better than it normally does because this is why I needed these like my own crushes thing you're on your own use as well. And and I think one of the chief problems that I had with all this stuff initially was. Look caveman or whatever or even one hundred years or fifty years ago, we didn't have all these different oils and all those different things we're putting in but upon further reflection. We also weren't working sixteen hours a day seven days a week and sitting in front of computer screens and talking on phones and bathing in blue light, which we'll get into in a second a lot of things were different back. Then that we still suffered consequences. Didn't know what they were. Why would they were happening? But now, it's it's much more. The basic rules is this. If you want to get all your nutrients from your food, make sure you get all of your toxins from other nature like try to do that while living on the planet. You cannot do it no matter where you are like there's preceded the North Pole at this point. So we're now under a higher load biologically on a subtitler level than we ever have. And not to mention all the social media stuff like that. So of course, if you're going to be able to outperform in a harder deployment environment, you might want to modify your fuel source share. It just makes sense. Let's talk about blue light. Because this is something that actually changed my life quite a bit recently both using it appropriately in getting rid of it at a friend of mine. I can't remember why we went to. I think we went to China wife, and I and a friend said, hey, you know, how's your jetlag? And I said it's miserable. They said order this light off Amazon. So we did. And we turn it on in the morning, and it was really really effective or blueberry. It was some sort of blue. Yes. And there's some glasses called recharger that do that it really it really worked. Well, this is really cool. And then I heard something from guys like you and other friends where at night. I was like, wow, I'm having trouble falling asleep. I'll just look at my phone for three hours, and I just felt like I could not go to sleep. But I I'm pretty good at falling asleep. So I was wondering what was going on. It's just some sort of lifestyle change some sort of trigger. And then I want to say you or someone else had given me a pair of blue blogs. It was dark the dark. This is a longtime fifteen years ago started and blue blockers progressives. They actually looked kind of like what an old lady where? Yeah. The way people eight bucks online. Yeah. You can get blue blockers. But if you block all the blue you're not gonna like during the day as you block all the blue it doesn't work all the way at night either. Right. That's that's the problem. I was overdoing during the day and undoing it at night. Yeah. There was some issues with what I was doing definitely. But I'll tell you once I started wearing these things even just in the hour and a half two hours of watching TV, which I don't really do anymore. Which is I didn't realize it massive source of unhealthy. Blue light. I would lay down I would actually fall asleep while we were watching TV or I would lay down and immediately conch out and jen's like, wow, you're you must be so tired now. And like, I've always been as tired. I just don't wanna keep watching TV for four hours. When I watched for thirty minutes, and I'm starting to not off and the goggle the blue light glasses or goggles, or whatever. Depending on my day makes all the difference. And I've I've noticed even even little things like I have an air purifier in our room. And there's a blue light on it it if the tape. Literally LED. I I have to tell you think keeps me awake all freaking night until I taped it over the so I got so tired of this one of the companies. I started is called true dark and I'm wearing a pair of them right now. I have a case of those in my house, right? You have the sleep ones. I have those little godly read those ones are patents spectral filters for those for different spectrums inside there. Those are the ones that have eliminated jet lag tomorrow. I'm flying to New York getting there late sometime, I use those there. I'm going to be a doctor ause why I'm going there. You don't want to have jetlagged when you going to be on TV wanted euless. You can also look really jet lag. It's not a good. No. So you could play the three days early just to make sure that I'm gonna play with my kids. Right. So I I wear these glasses. Religiously when I'm flying from west to east and truly I don't get like anymore, but the blue blockers didn't cut it. So I had to go one. And if you don't have those ones, I do the ones that when you wear me, look like a super villain, right? Yeah. Or like cyclops kind of. Yeah. But I mean you. People were in the air planes now because they're in fact, we've measured within fifteen minutes shifts and brainwaves in people wearing their as junk light is like corn syrup, and so that's important. For those little the flashy light things. I got so tired of this. My house had like electoral tape on everything. So that same company makes these little dots. That are that are die cut. They the block it entirely, but sometimes you need to see it. They just doings on. Yeah. They filled out the blue just a dim red light. And everything in my house has that. And in my hotel room the stupid blinking green lights, right? Above your bed. I always get up there and stick went on there because how can you sleep with every five seconds? There's a bright green flash. Those things drive me nuts. I thought I was just being maintenance green is from that disrupts might O'Connor function in talks to something called Mellon sensors in your eyes, which are driven by minor Qendra, then that talks to a party brain. That isn't even where we're vision is processed to go straight. You're timing system. See brands get a little signal every five seconds. Daytime daytime. Anyway, it's it's just science in the Nobel prize was awarded for circadian biology. So I wanted to do these actually in bulletproof, and then I talked to my team, and they're like, Dave like, this is a very big difference from the supplements, the Nutro bakes in the coffee and the protein bars and all that let's not. So I actually started a separate company. I don't operate this. I funded in and got the organized, but I that comes called dark, and I always wear glasses when I'm indoors because I have my brain on the end of the day. And I just I would say for everyone stares at a phone. There's something that you do this. I'm gonna show you right now. It'll take half a second. Okay. So watch this. This is a normal iphone. I don't show you my calendar because you'll just you'll you'll cry if you see it. Yeah. Whereas I what you normally do is your phone looks like this so normal like I say wins. Yeah. Yeah. It's really harsh. So nightshift is not on. Yeah. I do night shift is always on. No matter what. But here's what you can do with a disability settings that are on here. So I have this. I can triple quick, and I can reduce the white point. And all of a sudden, it's not as bright interesting. Any triple click again, I turn on the red filter now it's like I'm wearing the glasses. But I'm not if you can start that phone in a dark room, and you're not going. It's not as good as wearing glasses. But it cuts out probably eighty five percent of the bad light the settings were there. But they're not designed into the the settings. You have to go in. And basically, do the visual visual accessibility settings. We can link to there's video link to that in the show notes because it's otherwise it's impossible to show people. Yeah. But I also have the accessibility shortcuts set to do that dimming thing, but I'd never seen the red Thompson area. Yeah. But but what what ends up happening like, okay either. We're crazy or we kick ass. Right. It's one of those things if I can get five percent more energy by doing this or my sleep quality, by the way, the dark glasses. I double. A number of hours of deep sleep when I wear it when I measure it if I do that it works. So yes, I will get a squeeze every drop out of every day. And if I have to wear glasses or you not eat the deep fried cheesecake, or whatever I it's a trade that I'm happy to make because I love what I do. And if I hated my life, maybe to see the cheesecake can stare at the screen. I don't know. But I don't I don't like I feel that way. These little tweaks have made a lot of changes. Now, I'm not familiar, and I definitely haven't delved into the science of everything you don't need to bulletproof otherwise, but I will say things like the blue blockers my wife can attest that when I put those things on it's lights out. I mean, she can be reading with a light on. And if I've got the right the cyclops goggles on it's over and these little lights in your room that you think aren't making a big deal out of it. They are absolutely ruining sleep. Schick out. A study came out in Japan. Eight hundred people the amount of light that comes in around your curtains in a normal city. Not like with a bright light around just normal light leakage. Caused a sixty three percent increase in depression compared to sleeping in a dark room. It's crazy that big of a deal, it messes with your your body's sense of win in where you are. So the timing systems. I so I'm a computer science guy every computer has a o'clock in it. And if the computers have o'clock, no circuit knows what other circuits are doing it doesn't work. So your body has quadrille these little things all trying to figure what time it is. And they rely on a central clock. And if that doesn't match it's no wonder that you don't run as well. Sure. Yeah. 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6. Your Brain On Coffee

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6. Your Brain On Coffee

"This is the stronger podcast from live strong dot com. We trending topics the make you think. Trump sugar. Gluten caffeine to fasting each episode. We'll talk to experts who help us get to the bottom of these health trends while journey your frustration with food into power. Empowerment dig in career host we've strong dot com. Food and nutrition editor Aaron mossbacher and news editor Verizon mast. So many of us love it so much, but there seems to be endless conflicting advice about whether it's good for us on not how much coffee too much coffee, and how does the consumption of coffee fit into the intimate fasting lifestyle on this week's episode of the stronger podcast, we speak to bulletproof founder and CEO. Dave Asprey about just why coffee is addictive and what exactly it's doing to our health and our brains. What makes the difference between good coffee and bad coffee. And why is it so hard to give up Asprey gives his unique take on the myriad benefits. Coffee has for us. And also what the drawbacks of all that caffeine consumption might be. But before we talked today. Let's hear what some of the live strong team have to say about coffee and just how a dicta- that is. This time of my life. I don't I don't believe I can give up coffee coffee to me is a must as soon as I wake, oh, I've never considered giving up decaf coffee because it just seems like such a small amount. And it's my Cup of coffee is like one of the best things about my day. So I probably I probably wouldn't try to give it up ever tried to give up coffee. No, just caffeinated coffee. I don't think I could live without copy to be honest. I would probably go mental coffee does not make me very happy camper. It's actually it keeps me a week. But it makes me kind of angry and bitter at life coffee has a really big affect on my mood because it kinda just starts my day. And I'm kind of I'm Tom be without it. So I would say that it's pretty key to me having a good day coffee perks up in the morning and gives me a little bit of energy to keep me going throughout the day. I don't know for me. But for a lot of people just like, I it registers different. Everyone's body. Like, I know some people like, oh, if I don't coffee way, all the headache. And to me, that's like such bullshit. I'm like that's like made up like, what do you mean? Like a coffee induced headaches. He didn't have it. So even though I drink decaf coffee. I think indefinitely still be a habit. I there's caffeine in decaf. So it definitely I can I can feel the the lift to give me. But again, it's more like a ritual that kind of gets you ready for the day more than it is like a boost of energy. Yes coffee. I believe for to me is more my head. If I don't drink coffee. I just can't function. I definitely think I rely more on coffee than other people too. But I don't think it's an unhealthy relationship. It's pretty clear people are very protective of their coffee habits. But luckily for them, that's not all bad bulletproof diet author. Dave Asprey talks to live strong about how coffee affects our health and our wellbeing and the fastener effect that felt coffee has in our appetites. But first reminder that the stronger podcast is brought to you by thrive market Zan. You know, what's so cool about thrive market tells me you can filter your shopping experience based on your dietary preferences or the specific product you're looking for. So let's say you're on the hunt for coffee thrive offers certified or Ganic and fair trade certified coffee that you can feel good about buying putting in your body, thriving market. Also sell. M C T oil, which you can add to your coffee to make bulletproof. Nice. And you know, what else? I left by thrive. Markets website wine thrive has a new amazing clean winds program all the wines. 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Don't miss out on our special offer for first time thrive market customers. Get twenty five percent off your first purchase and a free thirty day membership by going to the link thrive market dot com slash stronger podcasts. Cheers. It is. Always. Thanks to thrive market for making visit issue of the stronger podcast Postle. And now our interview with bulletproof diet, author debut spring coffee, how exactly does coffee effect, the brain what's happening in our brains when we do drink coffee. Well, coffee has a bunch of different effects in your brain. And the thing that's probably most well known is caffeine but caffeine is one of thousands of compounds actually found in coffee and different things in the coffee are going to do different things to different cells in the brain one of the most interesting parts of coffee that affects the brain is called polyphenyls and polyphenyls are the colored compounds found in herbs spices brightly colored fruits and vegetables. And it's one of the reasons eating your vegetables is good for you. It turns out coffees. The number one source of polyphenols in the diet, at least in most western nations and polyphenyls affect the brain because polyphenyls help cells in the brain called might oh Qendra make more energy. This was a subject of my last book called headstrong. We still you how to get more energy in your brain. And was actually awarded with near time. Scientists bestseller book. So there's real science behind just the colored stuff that makes it black on top of that there's caffeine, which is the mean, the meaning agreement that we've all heard of it stimulates your central nervous system, and there's something called clergy acid, which is another kind of polyphenol that scientists think helps with blood sugar metabolism and possibly high blood pressure, which are related to things like having your brain work less. Well, as you age there to other compounds that are my favorites, they're called capital and Kalahal. And these are coffee, and when you use coffee with a metal filter, they go into the body, and they may be good for your liver. There some studies that say they may even protect against cancer. But there are other studies that show they turned down inflammation in your brain. Even though they may raise LDL cholesterol, which isn't something that concerns me. And there's some other things that happen some other forms of item and be that come in coffee that could have an effect on the brain. So what you're getting is quite a lot of different benefits. So is coffee addictive because I know when I wake up in the morning, it is the first thing I think about and why is it addictive? And how is it? Addictive. Well. Addiction to things that are good for. You is an interesting topic. Because if you every day, and then you stop you don't feel as good in your incented to do it again. But if you stop for a while, then you don't want to do it. So. You could say it's a dictator of and certainly people who study addiction will say that it's a dictator, and they'll tell you that it's physiologically addictive, which means that your cells adjust to having or not having it after about three days. So if you were used to drinking, a high amount of coffee, and you quit coffee for three days, you probably wouldn't feel very good after that any residual cravings are simply that their cravings. They're not biological and what's going on. There is caffeine in coffee. Can help adjust the amount of energy in your cells via something called cyclic AMP, which is involved with the creation of ATP in your cells. And it's one of the things that gives you energy. And when you suddenly stop coffee, your cells regulate their energy metabolism differently. But it I would call it mildly dick, and you're talking about three days, according to most of the studies out there of when you might not feel as well. That's why if you want to quit coffee. I don't know why you do that. Given all the studies that show. It's a really good thing. If you wanna live a long time, but if you did decide to quit copy you taper off us half, decaf and then half. Sorry, two thirds decaf cetera et cetera. But there's something else in coffee that really does affect your brain and affect the addictiveness of coffee, and when coffee is processed before it's even roasted there's something called a mold toxin or mycotoxin and this forms because most coffee they allow it to sit in big vats. Of water that are you made out of cement in the water is not filtered for two days and starts to well ferment is the plight term and spoil would be the other term depending on what's in the water, and this form, some psychoactive chemicals and things that are bad for your kidney, your bladder, your DNA, and for your brain, these are well understood in agriculture, they're regulated by almost every country on the planet except the us and Canada. And if you drink these things in your coffee that user by roasting and brewing, according to thirty four different studies on my website. This is an issue. What you end up getting is the jittery cranky exile feeling that happens when you drink some coffee, but not other coffee. I know about this because I had to quit coffee for five years because it made me feel like an angry zombie who wanted more sugar when I fixed the problem by making clean coffee fell different. So when you talk about coffee does your brain will copy, that's not free of these multi axons is going to make you jittery and cranky. And it's going to make you crave. More coffee. So I drink less coffee now drink clean coffee, but it was a bit of engineering to make it happen, and is really worth knowing that that that coffee rage that you can get it's not caffeine. That's doing that. It's toxins that are doing that. And so some people drink coffee other people seem to mainline coffee throughout the day. Is there such a thing as too much coffee like all the the kind of scam mongering stories about to overblown like is there any truth to that? There is such a thing as too much coffee bows, Zach the famous writer poet was rumored to have between fifty and two hundred cups of coffee a day and probably died of caffeine poisoning. So it can't happen. However for us. I'm your mortals, the studies on long jetty show that up to five cups a day, whether it's caffeinated or decaffeinated, it's still associated with a reduction in all cause mortality in other words, if you drink five cups of coffee a day, or or less that your chances of dying from anything go down, which is profound and interesting and something that only makes sense when you look at polyphenol effect on on coffee. There are some people who are fast caffeine, metabolize IRS, and you can get a genetic test that will tell you all sorts of things about you including whether you metabolize caffeine while. And some people are slow. Tabligh lighters. If you're a slow metabolism one Cup of coffee. You're Ampy for eight hours, and that's it. So you have your morning Cup of coffee, touch it. You'll probably know you're sensitive to caffeine because all sources of copying mess with you. It's pretty unusual the fast metabolize IRS can drink a double specify before bed and sleep like a baby because the stuff just doesn't affect them very much. But for most of us having two cups a day is very normal five cups a day as well studied. In fact, the benefits accrue as you get up to five cups today. So four is probably better than three at least from the perspective of that study. But here's the problem. If you're drinking coffee that has toxins that cause you to crash. So you need another coffee to function you have issues if a drinking coffee because you enjoy coffee, and because you because you're using it for the effects that has on your biology and you're having throughout the day. It's a very different perspective on it. So I'd say if you need it to function survive, you have an issue if you need to get out of bed. You know, what you're probably waking up too early. And this is another broad issue where people wake up early to bring their kids to school or for jobs that start way too early for the way. Our bodies are wired or you have a dream Alexandrian. I've had extreme adrenal exhaustion in my career. And I went off coffee to try and treat it which was the traditional thing, and that didn't work very well because I was just as ambi- day. So instead at one Cup of coffee in the morning. Yes, it was bulletproof or at least a precursor to bulletproof without sugar and all that. And the reason that is if you have low quarters all in the morning, one Cup of coffee is going to help you you just don't have it all day long, which is sort of like an over overdoing it when you're working on having your dream class recover. So lots of people we spoke to in the office, including myself have a ritual surrounding their coffee drinking which. Seems really important to them in like an important part of their day. Can you talk about the effect to these rituals have on like your mind and your body? What a profoundly awesome question doing living that and living not so hard. So. Coffee or tea are some of the oldest rituals in human history. As far as we can tell probably equal to sharing a meal with someone. So there's a lot of I'll just call it generational or species level old programming behavior that goes into that and for me the coffee ritual before I had kids was a little bit complex. But it was almost part of my meditation. I had a Japanese siphon pot. It's called and use a Bunsen burner to heat up water until steam pressure would build and push the hot water into the coffee Sturt three times with a special paddle. And if you did everything right when the the vacuum pulled the coffee, you'd have a perfect volcano shaped come and it was sort of like, Mr. meow ghee karate kids, stir it, just right? And it was so cool. It took ten minutes to make one Cup of profoundly excellent coffee, and my mind would be clear before even drink the coffee. Because I was so focused on the stir. And now that I have kids I do it very differently. But the idea that doing the same thing at the same time every day is grounding that it's it's centering and somehow generates a sense of continuity in peace, it's real and sharing coffee with with a friend with your community has been done since the very first coffee was was created in Ethiopia thousands of years ago, you'd have it with with your your tribe, and it has never changed. And I think that maybe people have forgotten the value of tea ceremony or improperly serving coffee in whether you have a little tray of Sugarcubes, please stop that. If you still have that ritual, and a little thing of Creamer in a little tray and proper little tea, teacups, remake, Espresso, whatever it is. It. Feels good on a level that has nothing to do with caffeine and Denison triphosphate and things like that. Some people seem to be under the impression that caffeine makes them anxious. The coffee coffee gives the MAGS -iety is there link between coffee anxiety, or is that the toxic elements that you were talking about earlier if you are a caffeine slow metabolism, you may feel exiled from from too much coffee, even if it's clean coffee, and that's simply because your body says I got way too much caffeine here, I'm working on chugging through this. But I came the tablets it very well, so that's a biological stressor. When there's stress on the body, biochemical stress, you will feel it as stress, and it'll feel like emotional stress because the body isn't really sort out stressed that. While you make up a story about why feel anxious and I make just because it's someone else's fault. May actually be I'm anxious because there were toxins in my coffee. But the feeling of the of the toxins is that I think that this problem of feeling anxious from coffee is is way bigger than most people recognize I'm very sensitive to this and the. Season. I created the bulletproof coffee beans and the whole process in lab testing and going to Guatemala and installing new infrastructure to make coffee that didn't have this fermentation problem is because I really love coffee, and I missed it for five years, and I would get that anxious feeling happen. Sometimes a few minutes after drank it and oftentimes two hours afterwards. How I'm getting brain fog. And I just have the pressure in my chest like, and then I realized that's what it is one of my favorite stories. The CEO of a substantial t company. Called me on Skype. I hadn't met him before. Dave. I started my company twenty years ago because coffee, maybe jittery and anxious and cranky. And I really and as about saving tried the toxin free stuff. And and he says, but look, and he should be an empty five pound bag of my beans. And he said, Dave, I can drink your coffee without insight. You solved it. Thank you. And it was one of those profound things as an inventor and entrepreneur while the what a what a kind and gracious thing to do coffee tea. I I like both of them. But it was it was really interesting to see that. And I've literally had. I don't know if literally a good word there. But I would estimate ten thousand people over the last eight or so years have convinced that Dave thank you copies back in my life because I don't have anxiety when I drink the clean stuff it. It's a real thing if chocolate and and soft drinks and caffeine pills all giving Zaidi you have a caffeine problem. But that's very rare. If coffee gives anxiety, you have a mold problem, and you should stop putting mold in your coffee. So the other day I was at a charity race with my sister in law and I drink a Cup of coffee right before we started running. And she looked at me like I was nuts. And I was like I need I need this to run not that I need it to run. But I know I'm gonna run faster with it. So I'm wondering like in your opinion, what are the benefits of coffee in regards to performance? So he doesn't vary by individual. You know, there are some sports now that limit the amount of caffeine. You can have before the sport. Because it does give you an unfair advantage. It's the real deal, and what you're doing makes huge amounts of sense pro athletes. Do it toured France cyclist do it, and it it's actually a great thing. There's something else. I wrote about in the bulletproof diet, which was sold. I think about a half a million copies in fourteen languages, and it's called impor-. And this is a receptor called the mammalian target of ram Isan. When you exercise when you fast, and when you drink coffee, those are the three things we know of that suppress MTR, and when you finish doing those things immature springs back with extra power, and it's that pulse of impor- that causes muffled development. So if you were to say don't eat all night long. You're. Sleep do a little bit of intermittent fasting, which is built into a lot of the protocols that I that I recommend ven drink your coffee exercise. Well, you're going to have a large wave of 'em Tor, which means you're gonna get more benefits from actress. So. Yeah. Drink your coffee before you work out, especially before you lift it's a great idea. So I don't eat breakfast. I've never been a breakfast e eater, but coffee is a non-negotiable. What is it about the combination of coffee and fat that keeps us satiated? And and what is like how does affect on mood. I guess is the question because if I have coffee with heavy cream, I will not be hungry until noon. But if I do not have the coffee, and I eat something I will be stopping with an ala. You figured out something something important, if you if you have carbs for breakfast, you should expect to be hungry because you wake up and your blood sugar goes up, and then it crashes, and then you want more food, and I've had the same problem. What you'd probably find is that if you went for a full proof coffee, which is the lab tested beans in oil called brain octane oil and grass fed butter that you'd have a different effect than heavy cream. I love heavy cream and coffee doesn't have the same cognitive effects in the reason for this. It was one of the reasons is that milk and cream have some protein molecules intact that stick to some of some of the stuff in the coffee. So that it doesn't get absorbed. And I reference studies in my book the other thing that happens when you're using brain octane oil is this is a flavourless oil. That's derived from coconut that Ray. Your level. Of key towns fat burning monkeys that are in your body. When those go up just a little bit then two compounds to hormones in your body shift dramatically, and this is way less than going into full blown Kito going to eat no carbs for the next month with on bacon kind of mode. These compounds are is the person's called ghrelin, and this is the hormone gives you hunger cravings, and if you eat carbs, your grill levels are going to go up, and you're gonna get cravings. When you have key towns present Grell and drops. So it turns off the craving signal. The other hormone is called C C K and C C K is the one it's a hormone that makes you feel full. And this hormone goes up when you have very low level of key tones present much less than full blown attritional ketosis. So you put a teaspoon or two of brain octane in your coffee and your Kitone levels change, then your hunger hormones can change, and what ends up happening is you simply don't care about the bagels or the cookies or whatever the donuts that. They're putting in front of you in the office. They have lost their siren call. You can also add protein in this works really well for women the protein that we sort of put on the map as collagen protein and bulletproof was the first company to say. This really matters for performance. Let's how you look and you're gonna age where one of the very largest collagen companies out there now, and when you put collagen protein in your coffee, you can't taste it, which is really important and collagen doesn't prevent the good parts of coffee from going into your system. If you had milk protein isolates, and some of these other cheaper proteins that people might push you to us because they cost less than in your coffee actually takes away coffees precious ability to do good things for your body. So I'd say do experiment with coffee plus protein, but don't do carbs in the morning. That's just going to say you up for for a weaker day cut. It. How does coffee factor in to intermittent fasting can it enhance intermittent fasting? Intermittent fasting is a really beneficial technique, and my my book in twenty fourteen at came out and talked about intermittent fasting talks about two flavors of intermittent fasting. But really there's three there's the I only do what they did in laboratory settings which in laboratories because it didn't with mice use. Usually, they just give them water. So you could say I'm facin purist. And I would only have water and anything else might change it, which I consider to be kind of fearful you can see what works dozen then there's the fasting with no calories whatsoever. And it turns out just black coffee. Too small cups of it has enough caffeine to double Kitone production in the body naturally. According to a recent study, so the whole point of Inman intermittent fasting is usually to help raise key towns. So you could use coffee do that. Or you could use something that I invented called bulletproof intermittent fasting. And this is when you. You don't you eat dinner before it gets dark? You sleep all night you wake up and for breakfast. You have a bulletproof coffee, which has zero protein in zero carbohydrates on it. So you're talking just brain octane oil butter and coffee, and when you do that, you're protein digestion equipment in the body. The enzymes they don't get turned on your insulin stays perfectly a stable, and this is validated. By a third party who tested something like one hundred fifty breakfasts and found that had the least affect on your insulin because it was euro was bulletproof coffee. And now your body got the key tones from the caffeine in the coffee and Keaton's from brain octane oil. So now, you have Kito levels as if you've been fasting for three days, even though it's an intermittent fast. So you don't lose energy you don't get hungry. Don't get distracted, and you can actually do your job. And if you have lunch at two o'clock, you just don't care this is very sustainable, and it's something that I've done for years. And it makes it makes it easy and painless to maintain my weight. I used to weigh three hundred pounds. I'm about two hundred and three pounds right now. And I'm nine point six percent body fat. And I don't diet. I'm not hungry. It's pretty cool. Aside from the MCAT oil. What are the fats do you recommend for coffee, and we talked about heavy cream? I would I just wanna tell everyone. Hey, whip up some heavy cream and just spoon it right on top of your coffee, and it's so good. But I find it does not work. It has too much protein potentially a member in protein where you don't get this other affect and now we're getting pretty deep in lipid, biochemistry. But it's worth knowing about bulletproof funded some research at the university of Washington around core, water, biochemistry. This is the stuff that never gets funding dollars. But it's very worth understanding because this is part of our biology, and what Dr Gerald Pollock figured out is that when you have tiny droplets of fat suspended in water. It changes the structure of the water in our memories remain tiny droplets fat. So when you put butter fat or very likely brain octane, they're actually working on quantifying that right now, you get this. This change in water. It turns out for yourselves to make ATP for energy for your cells to fold new proteins into carry out their tasks they can't use the water you drink. They take the water you drink, and then they make twelve hundred nanometer light that's called infrared heat, and they use that to convert the water from bulk water into exclusions on what you put cream in your coffee. The coffee doesn't become exclusions if you put butter fats or brain octane in it, and then you blend it you must blend it for this to happen. You make small droplets fat. It actually changes the structure of the water in the coffee. So that when you drink it yourselves can use it directly, and what could be into this was that I discovered bulletproof coffee, at least the concept of it in remote, western Tibet at eighteen thousand feet elevation on the side of mount Kailash, which is the holy mountain in eastern religions, and they gave me a bowl of Yacob butter tea at a tiny remote guesthouse. This place was a half a mile. The nearest water and this little Tibetan woman every morning for her entire life. She had taken Yock butter and tea, and they'd pour it into a wooden churn, and they would churn it for ten minutes by hands before they would drink tea in money. They would never just eat a bite of butter in wash it down with T, which is what any intelligent person you'd think would do. And I thought it was a little bit crazy. In fact, the wealthy Tibetans with two yaks and not exaggerating either they would have a solar powered cell and a blender so that they could blend it and say themselves training, but they would never dream of doing training. Well, turns out that when you blend these fats into that your coffee, it does change the water. They noticed the difference. They've been doing it for thousands of years. And that is why if you pour cream in your coffee, you're unlikely to get the same effect as if you blend some specific fat molecules into your body. The other things that you could add to your coffee if you wanted to almost any kind of oil that you'd like to get more of into your diet. The problem is try putting krill oil or fish oil into your coffee. You're probably not going to like it. A some people use some nut oils, some people like to use on almond milk, and then add the brain Aachen oil, and it should mention brain octane oil is one of four kinds of MCAT oil. It's the one with the most lab studies about raising Keaton's the most common cheapest and most available MCAT oil does not raise key towns anymore than corn oil, and it's allowed to be labeled an MCAT oil, and this is called Laurich acid. So if someone selling MCAT oil that says Laurich acid in it that's not gonna raise your key tones. Have you ever tried putting the fish oil in coffee? It sounds disgusting. I have tried putting everything you can think of in coffee, literally thousands of experiments. Yes, I did fish at one time. And it was truly awful the other thing that was surprisingly awful was I put a quarter avocado and wants to see if I could get a little bit creaming us, and I gave it to my kids, and I took on drink and daddy. What did you do to this coffee? This is the worst ever had. No one likes hot all the Konta. No. I love Advocaat does. But I haven't met in a serious lapse of judgement. I tried putting like my fish oil in a smoothie day. Like, maybe the other flavors will mask it. Nope out. So. It was the grocery saying I've ever made a fishy. Milkshake Oklahoma's horrible. Because I formulate supplements, and I'm working in this live to one hundred eight year longer thing a lot of fish oil. You can get is rancid if it's expose very unstable. So exposed to heat and light it has way more of a fishy flavor. If it gives you like those fish burps, you have issues in the most precious type official comes from fish eggs. And this is what native Americans would do. They're actually save fish eggs, dry them. So they could give them to pregnant women because they needed the extra DHA and right now just last month. I just launch us up lament that's based on fish egg oil that sustainable assembly harvested, and so there's special phospholipids that go into the brain. And I can tell you that I would not put that bullet proof fish oil in my coffee to save my life. I'm gonna use the coffee to swallow the pills like. Like a normal person. 'cause I just can't imagine a fish flavored froth on anything. Totally. So I have a question about the guidelines that given to pregnant women about coffee consumption. So I'm pregnant and one of the things that I thought of apart from peel panic was how is this going to fix the insane amount of coffee, drink everyday. So I guess we're told to stay below two hundred milligrams a day, would you recommend that full pregnant women, you know, from just your opinion and also is bulletproof safe for pregnant women. This is an awesome question. My very first book was called the better baby. Book thirteen hundred references around for tilde, my wife, who's Caroline ski trained physician was infertile when I met her and we put together a nutritional program in the lifestyle thing that allowed us to have one child at thirty nine one at forty two. So I spent five years crunching data on fertility. And yes, I looked at coffee and to this day. Lana is a consultant for entrepreneurs in Hollywood people in all who are looking to get pregnant without IVF's. This is something we really know about in my house and. What it comes down to is a lot of the stuff you see. Oh, you never have a coffee. If you're pregnant was promoted in the nineteen fifties by company trying to sell a burn grain substance. That's a coffee replacement. So it was just negative marketing. And there isn't great science support. That said there are a lot of things that your body is not going to want you to have or is going to have more of the idea of anchovies ice cream, or whatever cravings, you get your body's going to tell you really strongly if you're lacking, zinc, or you need more of this or less of that is going to tell you. And if you get the wrong stuff, you're gonna have that welcome to morning sickness thing. So this is your body's way of keeping the inner environment as as fertile and supportive as possible to have a healthy, baby. And if your body's telling you, drink some coffee, I will tell you the toxins that forming coffee do have affects throughout the body on. Siler metabolism. Like the negative things. So drink really clean coffee. If you're going to you're going to do it. And if you start getting negative effects, don't do it. It may change by trimester. I've seen that for sure. And a lot of pregnant women will switch to green tea, but here's some research from the book this really important, even one Cup of green tea reduces your levels of full of acid substantially now, it low levels of folic acid give you well. Spina bifida in your kids twenty percent of people have zero symptoms spina bifida, including me, actually, it just means that some of your bottom vertebra don't fuse all the way. And if you're going to drink tea when you're pregnant, which is probably good idea. There's some good benefits to having a Cup or two of that or a Cup of coffee. But specifically with t you're gonna be taking something called metal full eight, which is a form of full cast. Everyone can absorb and. Yes, that is something that bulletproof manufacturers. For a reason. I just told you the reason and so the short version is the evidence for caffeine being bad for you in pregnancy is at least at lower levels like that is very very low to none that I've been able to find the evidence about coffee what's going to depend on what's in the coffee. That's not just coffee. So if you're drinking clean coffee, I have concerns with it. But if you drink clean coffee, I'll like the stuff we make and then you don't feel good or your jittery or you get other affects from your baby or your body's saying, I don't want you to drink that. Then don't drink it. And it's okay in terms of brain octane collagen protein, the stuff that we make and and grasp butter being appropriate. When you're pregnant the evidence is very strong that you want collagen because your baby is made out of collagen and fat, and it's not made out of vegetable fat it's made out of animal fat and saturated fat. So what I what I drink that if I was pregnant. Yes, would I give it to my wife? Yes. Does. Clients who drink at. Yes, do they drink ten cups of coffee and they're pregnant I would hope not one or two cups a day as normal. That's what I drink and I'm not even pregnant. Is made me feel a lot better about. Every day. They can keep drinking coffee. Give before bed though, sleep is really important when you're pregnant I hand that I'll be up all night. This is the metabolism thing. Always wanted about this. 'cause my mother drinks coffee at midnight. I'm not kidding. Then ten minutes later. She's in bed. Snoring. Don't understand it people who can shoot Espresso right after dinner. I'm like, you're a wonder to me. There are a few people out there who have inverse effect to caffeine. They're put in usual, but it's actually calming and relaxing for them. And I'm not sure that they're from this planet, but that's how it works. And it's kind of neat. If you're one of those people you look at back to your question about caffeine in the brain caffeine can enhance short term memory and some studies, and you know, there may be some affect on long term memory that's positive and one study found that caffeine could improve long term memory after learning. So in other words, you study then you drink some coffee, and you might remember better. And that's all interesting. So if you could drink that before bed, maybe it remember your dreams better. I have no idea, but I don't recommend coffee or bad because I'm probably not gonna have any dreams because I'm not gonna sleep the bulletproof rules are stop drinking caffeine at two o'clock. If you're a normal Kathy metabolism, you may if you're sensitive stop drinking at ten AM. Also, can we talk about the best time to drink coffee? Yes, please. All right. So there's two different answers for this. Based on your your circadian rhythm natural settings about fifteen percent of us. Wake up at five AM, bright eyed, bushy tailed, and there's a word for those people. They're the bad people. All right. This is according to Dr Michael Breus, sleep researcher has been on my show bulletproof radio couple times good friend, author of a book called the power of win. So those fifteen percent of people wake up early. You know, what you don't need your coughing you wake up wait and hour or two after you wake up tab your coffee. And then there are people who are naturally a genetically night. Owls. We were the nightshift to guard our cave back on the on the planes when we lift and for people like that when you wake up have you coffee, right after you wake up because it makes you feel better get your quarters levels up in it advances, your circadian settings that way, which is a good thing. And then for most people they are what he calls a bears. They wake up at a normal time. You can have your coffee an hour after wake up or right after you wake up, whatever you like. But it's important if you're bouncing around at five AM, you don't need just wait. And if you're dragging than have it. So the short answer is it depends on when you wanted to wake up if you're if you're. Natura wake up time is eight thirty or nine you probably want your coffee right after you wake up because someone made you wake up at eight. And that's how it works. Dave. Are you ready for the final five brain candy question around a high love it? Okay. And these should be answered with one word to one-sentence super-quick, fire answers, right? Right. What is your brain TV or your Goto show right now? Right now. Silence is not a good thing. I'm just thinking I haven't really been watching a lot of TV lately, I've been working on my new book game changers. So the is happening. So I'm off TV as as a right now. All right. Well, let's go to the next question. What is your brain book? Aside from your books. Now that would be a lane. If I don't know it's in those books. I wrote them right now, I am I am really paying a lot of attention to raise Dahlia's book, which is called principles life and work, which is a very worthwhile to read. I'm also listening to the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. With my nine year old who's learning all sorts of bad things from it. What is your brain trip? Ak where do you go when you need to reset? I go into my forty years of neuro feedback pod that I have at home, and I hook about forty thousand dollars electrodes to my head and then go into altered states with a computer helping me sorry that was more than two words. Not the beach. Trippy? What is your brain music? So what you listen to when you need to focus or out. I tend to listen to EDM of some sort of some sort of electric sort of chill stuff. What your favorite EDM artist at the moment? I am pretty lame. I actually I'm a big fan of Steve Eric's work, but it's hard to say, I usually turn on Spotify and say find a channel, and then I know pay attention because I'm doing something else. And what is your brain day or an ideal self-care gay that boost your brain power? I like to sleep in which I almost never do as father and an entrepreneur author and whatnot. So I love to sleep in a little bit and sort of hang out in that half awake half asleep space for while. And then I would do breathing exercises. I really liked to do something from Dr Barry Morgan called energy for success. I can get a kindling experience in ten minutes with some of his sound files, which is kinda cool to get going. Then I do yoga, of course, I'd have some bulletproof coffee as somewhere in the middle of all that. And then I would eat really good food for the rest of the day and probably do some cryotherapy. Why not? Awesome. Well, that's the end of our brain candy round. Thank you so much for coming on. I learned so much today. I was a lot of fun. Thanks for having me on. And if you don't mind I would love to recommend my new book game changers. I've actually studied the answers from five hundred guests on my show to figure out what makes them tick and use the ticks and math to figure out what works for most of them. And built it into a book around what people who change the world due to make themselves better a change in the world. It's called game changers. It's on Amazon now. Okay. Great. I am definitely gonna check that out. Because that sounds fascinating. And thank you. Again. Davis has been fulsome. Thanks so much so much. That's it for this season of the stronger podcasts special, thanks to Dan's impo. Chris morales. Sam Nygren Deanna Nunez. Adam Lanza came Conti. And of course, Dave Asprey. Don't forget to subscribe to the stronger podcast on itunes share with your friends ensure your instruments, right?

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Dave Asprey.  The Original Biohacker Shares how to Upgrade your Brain and Your Life

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Dave Asprey. The Original Biohacker Shares how to Upgrade your Brain and Your Life

"Welcome to untangle the podcast from five star APP Meditation Studio. I'm Patricia Carpets co-founder of Meditation Studio and your host on untangle along with my co host every other week Arielle Garden co-founder amuse the brain sensing headband join US each week as we introduce you to authors experts and thought leaders who share their stories about how meditation and Mindfulness Practices have the power to change our lives if you've ever ever heard the term biohacking you've probably heard of today's guest Dave asprey. Dave is the author of New York Times bestseller the bulletproof Diet Headstrong and his new book Game Changers what leaders innovators and Mavericks Africa due to win at life Dave's also the creator of the company bulletproof coffee and host of his health podcast bulletproof radio what got him into biohacking in the first place. Dave lost hundred pounds without counting calories or excessive exercise using techniques that he shares here to upgrade his brain sleep more efficiently and he says lower his biological age he shares how we can take more control troll of our own biochemistry with the hacks that he's learned throughout his journey in game changers he shares what he has identified. As the forty six laws of high performance based on his own experience and the interviews views he's done with over five hundred game changers on his podcast. He's found common patterns. One big lesson he shares is the importance of finding your purpose and relentlessly going after it he he says the big winners that he interviewed all had a strong purpose but they also figured out what they needed to do or learn in order to live that purpose there are lots of biohacking and wisdom gems in this interview now here's Dave Dave asprey it is so great to have you on untangled today I wanNA start with. Can you tell me a little bit about Dave as a ten year old. What were you like as a young child? It was definitely dealing with some substantial inflammation which affects your brain as well. It's mostly de- definitely A._d._H._d.. And what's that oppositional defiant disorder. I think that was my that age so definitely got got a lot of trouble and understand now. We're all that kind of stuff comes from but it was not a fun time for me. So do you remember is that your earliest memory having these the oppositional defiant disorder and did you know at the time that it had to do with your body and inflammation or this is like as you look back right now. No one knows that when your kid like I have a feeling to have your feelings are that's the first time I had that feeling or the first time I noticed it so it feels are kind of scary for young children and I remember the first time like I don't know what I'm feeling but it's here in my steiger for my chest and ma I had no ideal. I knew it was like I was pretty pissed off and like I'm just going to do what they want me to do. And all that sort of thing and of course like any kid kids have friends and they have things that they like things don't like I pretty much read a lot and I didn't understand humans at all as you grew older you. Did you feel like you were just different from other kids where you depressed. I wasn't depressed that I'm aware of. I was definitely different from other kids but I think pretty much most people who end up being ingineers entrepreneurs or like that would tell you the same things as part of being a kid is feeling knowing understands me right. So when did you transition into thinking about high performers is and what was your pivotal point for changing all of that that was going on with you as a young child when you're young child. You don't even know much control you have but as I evolved everyone I was fourteen. The doctor told me that I had arthritis in my knees for old people. I'm just a kid what's going on with this and it kind of freaked me out and I knew that means for all the time I was wearing like N._f._l.. Knee braces is and my feet all time and like I had lots of Muffin top and I rode my bike all the time in an I was still fat and I'd read my bike like ten miles a day and did all this stuff that by any definition I should've results in me being healthy energetic especially as a kid. It didn't work even back then it come into the world and you believe the world's a certain way and you censor that way. That's just normal but there's no way for you to know even as an adult. It's like Oh what's normal for me is completely off of her other people. I had no idea you're supposed to walk around without hurting because it always hurts I haven't go. That's just the human condition and it turns out. Maybe things going on that. I could fix I really like what you're saying about as a kid and I think even as an adult like we live with so many emotional physical and spiritual ailments if you will and so many people don't know that they can make big changes in their lives or they're so deeply immersed in their habits that they see no way out of them and so I think that to me is what's so interesting about the work that you do that. It pushes all these boundaries and that feeling that you had when when you had arthritis in your knees and you thought that was like a normal way to feel it was normal to feel angry as normal to feel uncomfortable. When did you actually realize that that wasn't the case? I didn't figure that out until much later in life I started did my early twenties really getting serious about this. I gotTa Lose Weight and by the time I was in my third or fourth year of university. I hit three hundred pounds. Though I just kept coming on I would try working out. I try these different. Things and I ended up working out now. Affidavit six days a week when a low fat low Calorie Diet did losing weight all that effort just prioritizing exercise and eating which is exactly the wrong diet I could have strong but I was still fat and just really really frustrated and pretty angry about the situation and then I sitting at this coffee shop in a farming town central California whereas living and I picked up a bodybuilding magazine and in the nineties at least Alley traumatize school I I didn't have any body building friends now. It's SORTA considered cool. It's something that does socially acceptable thing to do back. Then where I live does like. That's not something that you've you probably hit you with a shovel or something if I'm a committee but I'm like you know what I'm going to pick this up because it's here on the magazine racket this coffee shop in its at how to grow abs and it was so far from world. Am I right. Maybe these guys know something because I'm lost. Nothing works so I read the thing and said Hey carbs can make you fat this was long before we have like Iran the bulk of diet all these different things were we understand the mechanisms urge early bio hacker saying I wanted buddy look a certain way and here's all the tools so I did a crappy job cutting out carbs which accidentally included not eating wheat for a little while and my friends my family day here personality just change like you're not an angry all the time what's going on. We like new version of you announce fifty pounds and three months the other fifty thousand wars to come up because that's information versus just the very basic stuff and now I've lost my hundred pounds if I've kept it off for many years but that's a side in fact making your cells work well which makes her brain so you get tons more energy and then he realized I have to keep buying new pants and they're always small. This was initially just from taking wheat out of your diet or were you doing number. It was of the whole carb well initially. I didn't even know how to implement this. Okay whatever twenty two or twenty three or something and read the article go what's a carb and this is a serious thing in nineteen ninety of couldn't spell carbohydrate like we just did not have the awareness that's in in our world today. So I remember for record. I was doing orange juice in cottage cheese. It has not low carb breakfast but it was lower carb than the low fat Bagel with a low fat spread spread of some kind of crappy thing on it and the difference Metabolic Louis was pretty meaningful. Something all right something happens I go to lunch and you get the chicken breasts and sliver vegetables instead whatever so is higher protein. It wasn't a Ketogenic Diet. I just avoided foods foods that are known to cause inflammation that were in carbs and if fast forward five hundred thousand copies of the bulletproof diet later and it turns out plants have compounds in them that are there to keep you from eating them and whole grains are one of those vitamin eating white rights instead of brown rice. Maybe even though I think it's bad for you do white flour versus whole wheat flour is actually a better choice and neither one is a good choice though it's sort of like Jim smoke a cigar cigarette two one whatever it was I went to that whole path and I eliminated the things that made me week inadvertently and became very scientific about what are the things that cause problems in human biology that we don't know about that we do every day. Maybe let's just stop doing that had before we go lift heavy things or trying intermittent fasting and do all these other practices that are really powerful but why would you try to get stronger when you're walking around sharing a whole bunch of crap you don't need just sat down and then they'll get stronger and you'll find a lot better salts and that's how Alba approaches now see you were motivated by your own situation to lose the weight and then you were experimenting with the different dietary changes was that the original links lightbulb went off. We lost his kind of motivator but anyone anyone who's listening to this. WHO's fat is GonNa know exactly what I'm talking about? It's not about the weight loss you desperately WanNa look good in the mirror but you don't want hired all the time. It's that I'm exhausted. My brain isn't working while because when you put on alike that you will not be taking that energy from food and turning into thoughts and trained to control of your emotions. It's a normal thing for what actually think that fat people are are willpower athletes because every single day you don't have enough energy because your body's shutting energy and just fat storage and ear also telling yourself. Oh I'm not gonna eat even though I'm getting signal for my buddy that need eat so you're constantly Hungary even if you just eight and you're low and energy is the worst possible situation. And that creates emotional situations where you feel whatever level irritation that a healthy biology person would experience but then do you have the electrons it takes in your brain at that one point in the right place at the right time for you to not respond in a way that later you're going to be ashamed ever wish that you didn't and we learn as fat people that all right somehow manage all this and put one foot in front of the other and we become really good at managing whatever for energy we do have it is quite liberating to have enough energy because Oh yeah I handled that situation like a boss that was easy and the amount of work and stress and struggle that it took it goes way down when you get your your body working and that's why my might second day book which is called Headstrong is about okay and if the first books like how do you eat the second book is. How do you make sure there's enough electricity in your brain all the time you can handle whatever life brings your way and okay? If the first ones my body work through I wanted to my brain work. Then my third day. Book was all right. I have more energy now at forty six to twenty six a lot more energy and more focus and east and just in a way that that's really profound for me because it was so bad add massive brain fog and mid twenties and went to multiple doctors forest and hundreds of thousands of dollars for your out. Why am I body wasn't working and the new book called Game Changers is all right? I just interviewed almost five hundred people on bulletproof a prof- radio and if you talked to move changed their field of medicine are people who've won the Nobel Prize or people are Navy Seals and say what do these masters believe in comment is. It's very risky just like with food. I'm I'M GONNA follow this one food principal. Let's say whole grains or good for me right. I'm just going to do as I'm just GONNA. Swamp myself programs well if it's wrong you're totally screwed but even if it was right it might be that they need butter on him for it's really work but if you only Tesla rains and you only test butter and you never test to them together you would never know so combinations matter. The system of biology matters really greatly so if you follow a one grew says the secret to everything is wake up at three thirty A._M.. And twirl around six times to your left and they might actually work for six people you're so I went through with game changers and I said I what piece of advice or three piece of advice would all of these people have in common. I worked with a statistician structured interview ver- five hundred game changers and came down with forty six laws of high-performance or what the people who are the best at their fields what they actually do up so people change the world in their own way and I learned a lot it just by looking at the commonalities instead of just what one person I want to get to those commonalities that I think it's really interesting what you're saying about how people feel when they're overweight or they don't have energy there in brain fog and what's interesting to me is you were doing so many different things to try and kick. Start Your life and your energy and lose weight. How did you know which things were the most important to do? It just seemed like you did so much and I think a lot of people don't see the connection between one thing and feeling better. What are the things that you did? You think were the biggest game changes for you. I started out saying I'm going to try one one thing at a time so I went out and I am bought a bunch of supplements as hi. I'M GONNA try vitamins e this month to work next month. I'll stop trying vitamin C. Try me the next month. I'll drive. I envy one and after about six months of his I just did a little bit of math. I said if I try one thing for a month for the rest of my life I will try approximately point one percent of universal things try this strategy socks and it creates also suffering frank and what does the validity of the assumption that it's just one thing and that comes out of this reductionist Western medicine sort of thing and sometimes it is one thing like Oh someone shot you okay well. I'm pretty sure that bullet was the one thing when it hit but for chronic thing or for anti aging it's a system and it isn't just one thing it's a multitude of things and as a computer hacker would just my background that the thing that really inspired me to create biohacking is like look we we can largely control the Internet even when we don't know everything about it. Stay right now different people control different routers and different computers in your phones GonNa my connected. I don't control your phone or maybe I do but the whole point of all this is is how do you control your biology when you don't know everything about how it works and they're it's more like herding cats or influencing the wind in a room. You put a fan on control every molecule of air you just Kinda got the warm air to go over there. Well what that means is. If your goal is to do something then you do everything that is likely to have a high return on investment all at the same time unless you have data that the complex and then you're like Oh my God macbrayne started working. I love my life. I have so much energy and then you say okay. This is taking an hour a day in his causing thousand dollars a month. This isn't reasonable but I got married. It's me I'll stop the most expensive when I since he had been still works back off the next one so do every evening that might work at all at once get the win get the energy from the win and then figure out which ones are less important and that's what I did with hundreds of thousands of dollars of this has been more than million dollars of algae and that's what I did with nutrition and with sleep and developing new sleep packs and a lot of the sleep packing articles read online are basically mimicking the early advice from ten years of gathering my sleep data with E.. N. G. Ahead when I slept at night. I Sang <hes> what seems to give me more deep sleep and in developing that skill of correlating how do I feel right now. With what did I do in the last minute the last half hour last hour day the last week last month and and despite the patterns and then testing them to see if they're valid and if they are sharing them when everyone says Oh my God like I'm pretty sure that works we didn't notice a bulletin copies an example of that. I used to put milk in my coffee that disables the antioxidants in the coffee and I used to drink coffee that made me feel cranky and jittery and all that well what if you change roles in the coffee beans what if instead of that bad protein from milky just put in the milk fat it's called better right and what if you had not coconut oil but another oil that is much stronger longer for ghettos this would if you did all those together well okay. It works two hundred million cups of coffee later. I am productive INSTA- that but what if instead I said I'm just going to test black coffee. I'm just going to test butter butter desperate hockey. No they all have their own independent things. It's the combination of things that's the the same is true for meditation like I'm GonNa do only one kind of meditation. Emily do one kind of special breathing. There's actually hold toolbox out there and if you WANNA fix your car and you only have a screwdriver. You're not GonNa joke good job either so this is what it is and I love what you're saying because I think the biggest thing is for any individual to feel like it is possible to feel better. Kasumi people get stock exactly what you were saying before. They get stock feeling lousy in thinking. That's some kind of normal for them so I love what you're saying that you do everything you have that feeling feeling better once you know that's possible it just opened so many doors so we step back for second and define biohacking for people that aren't familiar with the term. Yes thank you. biohacking is a word that I I started using last year. It was added to Merriam Webster's dictionary as which in my name is in the definition so we'll call me the father of biohacking but it was a commute movement and as one that I I like to think that I started helped to start names whatever you WanNa call it the definition that I a very carefully wrote in it's not exact definition this in the dictionary but the one that's popularized in behind the biohacking conference. It's the art and science are changing the environment around you and inside of us so that you have full control of your own biology and the Control Patricia. You may have very different goals than I do. My goal may be just a fitness address and years navy who ran a marathon jake. I actually don't have a goal fitting and address but the deal is you have no idea what my goals are. I just want all right so I also may want. My brain to work may WanNa just deal with a girl a third arm. It doesn't matter it's a fundamental human desire to just make our bodies. We want to be a victim to your body being fat entire all the time which is really happening to more than half the country right now. Control is what unites us the reasons has outside of Union side of you is that your body is a slave to the environment around you. It listens to the air temperature the toxins that you breathe and that you touch on your skin it looks at vibration end colored temperatures sound everything it constantly responds without your permission but if you know what the response is rand the environment inside of you well what you eat and often you don't eat have a great influence on your gut bacteria which control your biology in ways. We had no idea about even five years ago and then what else is going on inside you whether your mental environment zip through thinking a bunch of garbage thoughts near assumptions about the world <unk> are flawed is going to create a lot of emotional stress recent interview I did on radio. I asked a leading expert in the field John Rosenberg what percentage of emotional pain is caused by thoughts that generate feelings instead of feelings generally thoughts and she's ago probably seventy percent of emotional pain is caused by physical sensations that we put a story around in other words you gotta stomach ache and unconsciously without any knowledge blame into someone else for your stomach ache and that sucks the other thirty percent though is probably cosby as you had a fought like Oh. I'm all alone even gonNA roomful of people for no one's ever can help me. I'll never be safe or whatever the negative negative oyston yet. Are Those Kinda matter too so the again on top of that environment. If that's where you're pollution is you talk actually talked in headstrong. Were mostly talking about game changers here but I think we're talking about the ASPREY overall but in headstrong. On you talked about focusing on the issue law and getting rid of the things that drain you and you talk about how we actively we have the power to actively create who we are to the intentional about our aspirations instead of unlike this. I don't know if this was your quota or someone injuring but instead of discovering yourself deciding you want to be but I think that this involves letting go of the stories that you're talking about and you also talk a lot in the book about how we he kept chace limiting beliefs so we talk a little bit about that. How do we change our emotional d._N._A.? If you will that is so deeply based on the stories that we are stuck in what biohacking the whole world doesn't make all the EPA genetics shown as most gene have the ability to be turned on or off because you have a gene doesn't mean that it's always going to happen. It just means that if you set up the environment around either gene can express itself so when you talk about emotional d._n._a.. It's that the emotion the trigger may be there but you can change your story in one of the simplest things to do as you can take any breath. Maybe Journal and say all right. Is this actually true. You would not believe leave the crap. The voice in your head will feed you if you allow it. I've gone to ten day a meditation Retreats Withhold Tropic Breathing. I've done breathing withstand graph. I went to bed to learn meditation from the Masters and uh-huh goodest monastery remote middle where Mount Kailash and Chamonix Training at South America Wasco stop all that and that's to get rid of that kind of pollution in problems with what's going on as most most of what is running to people had even <unk> right. Now is an automatic judgment of whatever I'm saying that's not true. Patricia Dave are only God. He sounds really sexy. I have no idea what's going on your mind and I never will. That's one of the things anytime we tell ourselves. We know what someone else's thinking or feeling. We're probably wrong. We have emotions. We have mirror neurons. We can be empathetic but you don't actually no you just tell yourself now and you also can make they'll feel responsible for that so a common thing as oh how that person feels about about me is my fault when the reality this region is that was feels about US entirely their faults in it just isn't you you could select with kindness and whatever but when you take ownership that causes degrade pain so sitting down he's a true is the number one tool tools that that works there but the law that came out in game changers when you quoted there was very interesting because the people who went out and did big things almost known said I'll have to go find myself but what they did is is. They said I know so what they did is. They said I wanna be and they built themselves. They consciously created the person they were and that's a very different perspective in the sort of passive finding you can find the things that you love to do and then they may even be good to build a career or life for to make an impact on the world to serve others. They may also just not be that useful and he may say Kinda like doing that but maybe I like something else. More those are healthy to explore but when Musee I want to be an epic human being here are the things that I use the divine epic and then you say what do I have to do. I have to learn from what I need to read. Were to have to go acquire those skills and in order it should change the story in my head so instead of being. I'm not good enough which is one of these is truly dealt with quite a bit was. I'm always saying alone. I'm Never GonNa be good enough and all this sort of self communist things that you don't even know are happening in your head because they help at all time when I it became aware of those op housing gotTa do something about that and what makes me Really Sad Patricia you get these people are like okay. Just tell yourself you are enough. Mike seriously you could tell you anything on earth and your very best in the highest used aspiration was to just be enough. That's so sad. I am so much more than enough. That enough is laughable but now we're getting there because you have some leftover after you are enough but there was going on the story in your head is oh I can't handle what life brings me like I. I'm just I'm not enough to do that. Reality almost certainly that you're not making energy in your body right now to do that. Because when you have enough electrons presence you can convert food in error into electricity well it generates the thing called willpower and the willpower will tell you that it doesn't fricken matter if you're enough. You're going to do it anyway and it changes the story in your head. I'm thinking as you're saying this is like who do I wanna be in having this sort of strength and courage involves curiosity curiosity it'd ball sort of an adventurous and growth mindset deep make a lot of this comes from your meditation practice or you refer back to your food in your diet. I mean what combination of things do you think pushes pushes that who'd want to be and I can really be that person that I WANNA be mindset. It's quite often parenting in early. Childhood trauma can be part of the patterns that would make you not pay attention into that but my assessment. I mid forties so I'm not old but I'm not young either. I've kind of mileage to learn a few things and I I called the vape friendships with people twice my age as much as I can because they know a lot more than I do. I think sometimes you come into the world men whether it's how you're born V._R.. And you're born some people they're just drawn to stuff and what creates great pain is knowing that you WanNa do one thing and this is your purpose and then doing what you're supposed to do. That's not your purpose us that will always create pain and suffering in your life and that said if you are wrong about what you think your purposes and you think your purposes to be the best in video game in the world's that might also create paying for in a different way but it also may joy and a different way so we have a lot of work to do on finding our purpose and understanding what it is but if you say one of the first things I'm GonNa do. I'm GONNA be kind of person who connects with our authentic purpose and someone who follows it relentlessly because that's why I'm here. That's a different kind of person on the kind of person says I Binge Watch Netflix. It's a behavior thing. The problem is that your core biology is going to tell you to Binge Watch Netflix and your conscious human brain is going to say I choose choose to do something different now. WHO's GonNa win the Brain Mercer court biology? It's largely a function of whether you have enough energy to do what you wanted to do. Instead of what your body wanted to do it starts with food sleep on sunshine now you say I think this is here. Quote secret fascinate them and that makes them WANNA leave out of bed in the morning without passionate purpose. There's no happiness so find things you care about and devote your life to their pursuit and I feel like this. It's something we all think about but I think it's very hard to sustain often when people find passionate purpose for a period of time or for project. How do you stay net over a period of a lifetime? Adding curiosity is really and I got to interview Eric Handle who won Nobel Prize he's ninety four now is ner Pres- was for neuro plasticity and he's in his lab outside Central Park doing active research on brains that guy is full of passionate energy and still on his mission that he's ninety four and there are so many people like that and I asked him as part of that question for game changers. Would you three most important piece of advice for someone who wants to perform better at everything they do with the human being he kinda scrunched up his forehead and thought about it for many said number one have a good wife okay for him and he also talked about practice and some other things as Fi giftable three answers working on the book but what he said was the value of relationships in your life really matter because they hope to sustain you so for him that was really important for most people though what will sustain for long periods of time and there's two things one is gratitude. I just consciously choosing to find some injury grateful for even if something socks you Lee existing out of it so it can be that way for anything from a major or injury to something happened that in like or you just had to spend a thousand dollars like I'm so angry than I've lost a thousand dollars Abraham Grapevine a thousand dollars I could spend the <unk> ticket or whatever it was either. Why you're going to give up a thousand bucks you either you suffered? We didn't but choosing stories and make you suffer less will give him a lot more abilities down but the final one that when that feels me is having a sense of service others and when you do that things that would be impossible for you to do out of selfishness become easy and so when you're is at what you're doing is about lot more than you. That is probably the biggest secret to that. How do you sustain the energy and law doing it for yourself? If you're doing it to leader inspire or helpers serve or to improve things I get emerging such a great answer. Will you tell me a little bit about your meditation practice. I know you talked about gratitude in it like you started by doing the art of living workshop. I know you also said you believe there are different kinds of meditations that you should have in your toolbox along with breathing practices so we share a little bit about them with us sure I started out before about this. In terms of timing. I started out before I did are living. I did some hold trumpeted breathing. Obey stand graphs work. San Graaf is a psychiatrist from Czechoslovakia before and he treated three thousand patients with L._S._D.. Clinically and had great writers and became the father of transformational psychology. I ended up interviewing him on bulletproof radio and pick on stage at prevent for Bloomberg Radio and one of the meeting luminaries in psychology who replaced these strong plant medicines with just yogurt based breathing exercises that cause you to leave your body and do all sorts of deep state work. I done some of that and learned wow there's all sorts of stuff going on my brain. I have no knowledge of and then I was introduced art of living which is a practice where every morning for fifteen minutes you basically make some weird sounds and do weird breathing exercises where you put your hands a different positions. I learned it from the C._E._O.. Of A company I work for and did every morning for five years and every Saturday morning I'd get together with a group of about. Twenty other people at seven in the morning and we'd all do like an hour long session of this sounds kind of weird but I'll tell you it was like taking a mental shower every day of the year your brain work better all day every day and now eighteen twenty years later we realized that breathing his fundamental to changing brain states night actually around a neuroscience institute the does like intensive five day things executives and having hundred thousand dollars worth of Nero feedback equipment downstairs from where I'm interviewing right now so I can look a man brain yeah breathing kind of changes your brain state. We know that for sure it turns out. We've known that flight five thousand years. If you were to India they just didn't have the electrical signal but they could tell because they were paying attention so I started with breathing I also I went to the late nineties to to Peru. I did I WANNA go with a Shaman which isn't a medical practice per se but it it introduces you to the Meditative States. I use it sound goggles for twenty years. I've used electrical stimulation across my brain for also twenty years which can cause is year brand new go into specific meditates. I'm a huge fan of neuropathy back to meditate faster than you otherwise could and I've been to the monastery in Nepal and to bed and I'll do a variety of petitions based on how much time I have and when I'm looking to get out of it I one of the things I've been doing lately that I found to be really effective on permitted basis is Dr Barrymore glunz audio files. He's one of twelve living grandmasters of a sledge from loud sue and a doctor from U._C._l._A.. I've interviewed a couple times on this show. He's one of these as things in the seventies. Now I learned a lot from him but I listened to those meditation things which have a lot of energy movement visualizations stuff happens that isn't normal in fifteen to twenty minute meditation Asian so I'm looking for effectiveness per minute. If I need like monkeys to twelve hours day whatever that'd be great of course Dad Yamanaka third on caster. This is no time I want to squeeze the maximum I can into it and that's why I'm such a fan of tech to just stop wasting time in order to allow you to meditate when you're talking about neuro feedback what kind of devices are technology are using to impact your brain or two CD impact on your it really depends on wor am would have got with me and the amount of time so at the very lowest possible end is tech that I've worked with for since two thousand eight called hurry variability brand. This is something where if you breathe right and you do something weird in your chest at the same time that's more of a sensation you can change the space between your heartbeats which has shown to correlates of changes in how your brain works. I was see to a one of the wrist bands tracking companies awhile back that Intel bought four hundred million dollars and really got into the science of that so if that's the real low level next up from that in terms of accessibility is like the Muse headset them he's had said is something you can put on its small portable and if you're going to meditate for X.. Amount of time and you have a signals attaining you're doing something wrong. You're going to get more value your meditation absolutely and probably I guess before both of those if you really look at tech having the ability to use your phone to listen to an audio file for meditation Asian will usually give you a better meditation disturbed by yourself if you consider that to be tack and then above that there's clinical grader feedback stuff and that's what I'd do it for years the incident there we have calls magnets that we put on on your head or shaped electrical go currents to increase levels of brain drive new trumpet factor in twenty four channel clinical grade. E._e._G.'s that are very quantitative. You're probably not GONNA go for an advanced master state in a twenty minute meditation. You could just sit there and do breathing exercises. It might be nice to learn how to meditate with tech and then be able to without the tax so that you're not. Do you have a practice every morning where you sit for several minutes or you're doing all these different things throughout your daddy your month. I had a great great practice going every morning and they had kids. Hell okay. Tell you this people that have kids know what I'm talking about tax. When you wake up all wake up with three of the morning they'll do that too doesn't matter cry? You are yeah like things and interrupt your motivation. It's their job to do that. Okay so I didn't my morning practice involves coffee and driving his school and not turning on my phone until after adopt them up after that ah I will say every day I do not meditate have that unique ability to have insane amounts of technology a house because one of other companies so what I will typically do is once every week or two. I'll spend an hour or two in very states guided by heightened system and that seems to be enough for me right now but I would love to do in our day. I allocate maller hours per day in a different way. which is a fans who have saying? I'm too busy to meditate. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is if I meditate? I'm only doing like the rocket fuel nuclear powered meditation because a lot of times so I'm going to cram it all in there but I do take the time to put myself in two states and that you do micro meditations like that's a form of meditation on gratitude. That's really potent so I do that every overnight. That's awesome well. It seems like he do have a lot going on so I can see how it might be hard to siphon that time off but it also seems like Ami talk about this lot in the book that this idea of self awareness and being able to witness ourselves in different situations and when you have weirdness you probably know when you must go meditate. You know how to take care of yourself. I would think after all of the work that you've been doing over the last many many years and I'm curious like I really they wanna know like what changed you the most after the five hundred interviews that you've done and hearing everyone's secrets to their lives which changed in you after doing all of these interviews than I know you're still doing them but that you've put a lot of these game changers in the book so curious what we're the biggest changes for you as a writing game changers involved about five hundred of these interviews as five hundred hours of picking the brains of people have done really cool things the real challenge orange was going through all the transcripts and saying how all these people have in common but are they agree so it requires a lot of structured thinking in order to either write a book or teach class. Those are the two as you really learn something at the core because he entered to come up with the format of this forty-six laws. I'd probably had to consider five hundred laws and then how do I present them to read so that all process I think indelibly at that stuff into my human operating system and probably think it stands out the most is what no no one ever answered that question when I was doing the interviews for game changers no one ever said money knowing that this is one of those most important things for performing better as human being there was never money there was never fame there has never power and there was never even sex although therefore laws about sex in the book but it wasn't the dance Beck's was like the goal though like sex's of massive source of energy when you do it right. It's different for men and women. Here's the rules Saigon bad in there the things that our core like mitochondrial drives for survival human needs hierarchy and all that kind of stuff these people are not out for fame and power money they were out for doing good that was really profound for me and the other one that stood out out which is one of the three big areas of focus for game changers. It's this idea that these people did not do things to become happy. They learn how to become happy which enable them to do great things and I know when I was young I may six million dollars and I was twenty six. I Lost House Twenty eight which was unfortunate but when add six hundred dollars I looked at a friend at the same company where we all made more money than we should have and miss it will be a million dollars yeah. I wasn't happy with six. I wasn't GonNa be happy ten and is so maybe the secret there the thing I didn't know in my twenties was hey figuring how to be happy and you don't have put money in the equation or anything else and when you get some level of skill which is a meditation thing usually that sometimes it may be changing relationships in your life. You have toxic ones but whatever it is you do that and then all of a sudden wow like the money comes. The success comes. If money is part of what you need for your success but the thing that you want to do it just got easy. Did you have favorite interview. It's really hard to pick a favorite one. We're talking Eric Handle stands out saas standoff since out these are guys who are in the nineties who have changed the world in profound and massive ways into mill to learn from them does asking any question I want and then the obligation to shape that into a summary of that advised so that some good read it in thirty seconds and get the nuggets from that those pretty amazing is but the one that made me stands out the most avid thumbs but one of my favorite ones was Lara Logan the sixty minutes correspondent it was such a raw real interview. She was nearly killed in winter really traumatic experience in Egypt's a lot of people familiar with but we talked about what was going to her mind and how did she he'll and just the stuff like wow Hana's someone at that level overcome something that would be impossible overcome in most people's view of the world and so to have a honor being able to out some of those questions. Thank you so much for be here with me today. I love the impact that you've out on so many people. Is there anything else that you want to share before we close it Miller quote. That's really cool that sums up a lot of this. He says the goal of life is not to accumulate power but to radiate created and the people who I interviewed for Game Changers ones who formed all that good advice in the book. I think they live that very much because need I whatever power money fortune payment ever done really matter but what we did when you live there that the separated and others that's what's going to make you happy on the way that's really sustain cool quote. I would ask listeners. Hey checkout game changers. If you want to spend about four hours compressing five hundred interviews with people I I promise you that the return on investment for that book in terms of time you'll spend versus dodgy get it is the highest that I know how to deliver so this is just an awesome but I agree and I think going back to how we change ourselves physically emotionally spiritually truly. I feel like you've covered it all in this box so thank you for writing it and thank you for being with us today really appreciate it. Euro Commission have a great day grateful. The Dave was able to be here today you can find.

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Episode 345: Mark Adams

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Episode 345: Mark Adams

"Greetings, welcome to the long-term podcast. I'm rattler. I'm here with Macklin. Skinner lamour. I love this voice here. The whole season. That extra Evan. Have you been professionally trained? Voice, the last three weeks, who who you talk to this week this week. I talked to Mark Adams, Mark Adams, I knew him originally from he had this book called turn right at Macci PG, which is kind of travelogue. That's very, very funny from years ago. And he has more recent book that was about Peru. Obviously this was about Alaska called tip of the iceberg. It's paperback just now and marksman around magazines for many, many years, edited, many of the people on this podcast written for a bunch of magazines and now here, it's great books, but voice like just kidding. It's lovely. I will say if you're the kind of person who doesn't like a little like old heyday, of magazine nineties, early two thousand magazine talk to heads up because there's some this if you're not here for that towncar era magazine talk. If you've got a nostalgia for periods of the past certain newsletter about it. I'm getting so many newsletters now that I'm thinking about, like starting a separate newsletter Email account, 'cause it's like more than half my Email. I'm just very loose with the, the newsletter sign ups if you want to catch people like me, who are saturated in every format except the newsletter do with male champ. They make it easy. They've got all the analytics in the tools to help you grow that audience. Whatever your niche, thank mail chimp. Here's Evan Marcus. Mark Adams, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me. I have read your books recently. I want to start talking about your most recent book tip of the iceberg is the most recent book and you go to Alaska. There's also a parallel narrative of historical journey to Alaska maybe give your capsule of what the book is. So people haven't read it will be a little more familiar. Yeah, it sort of two stories intertwined. It's the retracing of eighteen ninety nine Harriman expedition to Alaska which was came about win Edward Harriman, the famous railroad tycoon in eighteen ninety eight. He spent the whole summer looking at every inch of track of the union civic railroad, that he just taken over to complete overhaul and was absolutely exhausted by the getting of eighteen ninety nine and his doctor said, look you need to take the summer off. So Herman being Haruman micromanager said, okay. Here's what we're gonna do. I know people have started taking cruises up the. The inside passage of Alaska and rather than just go up there on a steamship. I'm going to refit one of my own boats as a luxury yacht two hundred fifty foot long luxury yacht and then I'm going to invite two dozen of America's top naturalists, scientists writers artists and bring them along with me, basically, to do a little bit of research, and to help entertain my family and my guests. So in two months, he puts together this all star team that includes John Muir, George Berg Grenell the founder of forest straight magazine which was the big natural and sciences and hunting magazine in the late nineteenth century. He's got heart Mariam, who founded, what is now the US biological survey. He's got John Burroughs, who is probably the best known nature writer in America best friends with teddy Roosevelt and a bunch of other guys, and they go off to the inside passage, and then they keep for. Following the coast. The southern coast pass, where Anchorage is now out to the Aleutian islands over to Siberia and then back to Nome, and they thought it would be sort of a lark and that it was cool, because it was, you know, terra incognita, and they would find you know, you could basically step off the boat and make scientific discoveries at that point when there are mentions of that in the records by you know, went on shore for fifteen minutes and found twelve new breeds mollis lifting, but they also found that there were all sorts of environmental problems going on in Alaska. It was not this, pristine, unknown land that most of us, thought it was back here in the lower forty eight and they set to work to try to fix those problems. What I decided to do was to retrace that journey, using mostly, what are known as the Alaska, marine fairies, which is like the Amtrak or greyhound, Alaska, because there are so few roads and Alaska still so to get around you get on these marine fairies and you go from. Town to town to town, what I do is retrace the route, I stopped in all the places they had stopped in eighteen ninety nine talk to some of the people talk to them. Experts in thirty meal. Took the temperature of what was happening in did the reporting twenty sixteen because at that time, the obvious environmental crisis was not what it happened in eighteen ninety nine which was overfishing, salmon, and gold mining and things like that. It was climate change. You know, an Alaska prides itself on being a very Republican very red state, but it is also ground zero for climate change because things are changing so quickly there. So you took this greyhound of the ferry system, which was that, just that in of itself, was fascinating that, but it also highlights thing, it was asked about, which is you could have taken a tourist boat. They're all sorts of tourist cruises go up the coast stopping some of the if not all those places the big cruise ships, and you have this passage towards the beginning that sort of describes like the difference between. Going on vacation and going on an expedition, and I'm curious how deliberate was it that you set down to find something that historical that you could then match and do it in the certain way, like how far out, do you start in terms of conceiving the idea? Well, first of all, you wanna have a place that people are going to be interested in because you won't be able to read the book. You know, my first book when it came out, it got, like amazing reviews in big publications, and to this day it sold, like twenty eight hundred copies of the book about the, the strength is Frank, Mr. American. Yeah. So having lived through that nightmare every book since I've thought first and foremost, this has got to be a topic that a lot of people are going to be interested in, because a lot of people who write books are, like, you know, and I'm sure you hear this all the time, like you know, you should write a book about, you know, the other day, some guys like there's a district court judge up in White Plains. Who's going to buy that book giveaway your ideas? District, maybe a circuit court judge, but I actually came across a little item in the times, and it was the way they put as number one vacation destination in America is the inside passage crews now's like inside passage million people recent retirees hardcover book buyers. You know, now I've got a hook you know, because the book, this is a business yet do business plan, which is the book proposal. And you have to explain why this book is going to sell a lot of copies. So once I had that hook I was like, well, okay if there is a story here that I could follow the expedition, sort of leave it in and out, then there's something I can work with here, and it was right around the time that Obama had gone up to Alaska for the first time and was looking around at all the glaciers and people like ooh, this is melting and stuff. And then pretty much that week. I happened to be in Seattle. I was in pioneer square, which if people who been Seattle, no is a great place to pick up, like, you know, vaping. Plies but not necessarily a great place to meet a national park ranger. But there is a totem pole there with national park ranger sitting beneath it in his smokey bear hat, and he's like, oh, this totem pole is a copy of one that was inspired by the Harriman expedition of eighteen ninety nine. And that's how I found out about the Herrmann expedition and the bone those two came together. I was like, boom. All right. We're rolling now. So prior to that, you would not have done a book where you just went to Alaska. No, not unless there was a back story of some sort, you know, I think I could do a book like that. And I may do that next doesn't have to be a historic expedition that I traced, two of my books have been like that. But it's just an easy point of entry into the story. And then you had not been do Alaska. Previous I'd never been to Alaska before I started reporting the book, and so do you then try to consume like all of the travel literature, about Alaska and said yourself, okay, what's missing here? Or do you try to ignore all the travel literature about Alaska, and say, I don't want that in my head? I devour everything I just devour everything and. I think what is interesting. You know, a lot of it is familiar, the stuff you see, on a cruise ship is going to be familiar and a lot of it is familiar. You know, the stuff about the environmentalism in eighteen ninety nine is an almost completely unknown story, even though it involves some of the biggest names in natural sciences, at the end of the nineteenth century and teddy Roosevelt. So I'm compiling interesting pieces of information and then putting my own gloss on it. So you set out this was in two thousand sixteen. This is summer of twenty sixteen and you went for it seemed like a long period of time. Thank you for some. I very deliberately these books, try to make it sound like I'm out there for months and months and months, will you have to also I'm reading it as someone who has kids that I know you have cases, mention the book, who is sort of, like, how do you take a reporting trip in balance everything? So what I read something like this. It's like wow. It seems like he was out there for a long, all my writer, friends, ask them to the fact of the matter is, I'm like, a house husband, most of the year my wife makes most of the money. So if anybody any young people out there thinking that, I you know, you can live in New York City on the salary of a book writer thing again, Mary veterinarian like I did. So we'll see. Information. So, but it took about I think nine or ten weeks, total three chunks of Thomas did one week in as he do do on the ground research talking to experts. And that did that in April I went up for a week or ten days went to Anchorage went Fairbanks to the universities, where most of the experts tend to be, you know, sort of scouted things out. And then I spent the whole month of June doing the first half of the book, and then the whole month of August, during the second half of the book, I think I flew out of gnome back toward New York City on September one and the books are. I mean, I'm thinking of this book. I mean, actually the last three but, you know, turn right at much UP Chiu, which is it similar in structure, and terms of your narrative taking journey and then following historical expedition as well. I mean, they do rely they rely heavily on sort of you being a good companion for the reader. Yeah. And I found that to be true and fund and like I just wanted to like keep going along on the boats. But how much? Is there a conflict between being a good companion as a traveler and being a good companion to the reader? Oh, yeah. People ask all the time they like, you know, when you do these books is it like going on vacation? Right. You just these great place you go to mock. UP Toobin democracy chew, like five times, and the answer is no. Absolutely not. And anybody who does reporting will understand this the second I land in a place like Alaska is like the Christopher Isherwood, quote, you know, I am a camera with the lens opener whenever he said, you know, you're on, and you're looking for stuff and you're looking for people to talk to, and you're looking for scenes for the book and you're freaking out because people haven't called you back or have an Email Jew. So no, I'm a complete wreck when I'm on these, these reporting trips and they're not fun in the moment. You're kinda like, oh, this is fun. You know, got chased by a bear. Oh, you know here. I haven't much apiece. You, you know, here I am on the island of Santa Rini and Greece. Which is like one of the top ten destinations for rich people, but it doesn't last very long. Long 'cause you're like you just freaking out looking for material for the book says the whole reason you're there. And when you get back the sort of, you know, light playful tone, that's like third or fourth draft stuff. You've got you gotta get the structure down and then later on. You can get that sort of wins ical, you know, Mark is a bit of a buffoon stuff in there. Well, that's part of it, too, like there's a sort of use said buffoon. So, like there's a bumbling quality to some of it. Yeah. That feels like not intentional, but it feels like you have to leave open the possibility that things go wrong or like make it possible for things to go wrong. Otherwise, it would be boring yet. No, you have to leave yourself open surprises, when you're doing this kind of writing where using, you know, travel is writing and travel writings attorney, I'm not a hundred percent comfortable with. Because, you know, most people when they think of travel writing they think of, like, you know, a blogger doing the twelve best Mojo's in Rio or something like that. And that's you know, whenever people ask me how can I do your job basically, I get all his house all the time. Hey how can I do your job? And when I say, we can't write about places you have to write about people. So I spend probably eighty percent of my time looking for interesting people, I can find along the route. You know, I know it reads somehow like, hey, I ran into so and so in this down, but all of that is completely sketched out in advance and a lot of it falls through. You know, when you're working on these things things that seem like they are absolutely essential to the book starting out. It's like if I don't get on that fish and Wildlife Service boat, going out to the purple island I have no second half of this book. And that's how I felt at one point like I don't know how this book is ever gonna work if I don't get on that boat. And it's been he and weeks and weeks emailing these people and finally they wouldn't let me on the boat. And now you read the book and it's like, oh, it didn't really matter that is in the vote awfully mentioned, yes, as something that felt through, you know, but you can't script it, too tightly have to be open to the surprise, is along the route. And so do you still get that? Feeling even after having done several books that I would think it'd be possible that now you could go out and be sort of like I've done this before. Like if something goes wrong, something else will open up, or the thing going wrong will become itself narrative, there's, there's always a way out now now it's always sheer and utter panic, the whole time, you know, the whole time I'm on the road. I never sleep more than like three or four hours a night when I'm on the road because I just I wake up at four o'clock in the morning I'm like, who am I gonna talk to today? I don't have anything scheduled for today. What am I going to do is got to be something and sometimes things work out for that day? And sometimes they don't you know, and you end up sitting in a museum or, or having a long lunch or something or reading. But I think when you start to lose that feeling and there are travel writers who've done more than one book, and you can tell the point in their career where they started coast a little bit. And they're like, well, I'll just, you know, while to a little flashback scene here or you know, I don't need to take the bus and sit next to somebody interesting. I'll just fly and you know tell what I see out the window. I think when you. You lose that sort of, you know, tense feeling that pit in your stomach, then the work starts lose something as well. There have been there's a not to give it away, but I mean, there's a sort of part of tip of the iceberg with bit of drama where you're trying to go see a particular thing you have guide trying to help you see that particular thing. And then there's sort of the question of how safe it is to do that, at this particular time. Yeah. And that I felt like I could really relate to the sort of. Holy, but I'm here to get. This is what I'm here to do is see this thing. Exactly, you know it's eighty five percent. I could get killed and fifteen percent. This is going to be a whole chapter in three hours. I can't believe this is awesome. You know. With that guy had had a little. I think it was. That guy had a little taxonomy of fun. That was. It was like there's type one fun. Which is fun that deep know. You have it in the moment, and it's fun. And then you go back home and talk about it later in it's still fun. There's type two fun which is it sucks in the moment, like, you know, it rain for three days on our hunting trip. But we got back later and realized it was the most fun we ever had we played cards and just talk about life, and then there's type three fun which is it sucks in the moment, and then it sucks later too. So which one is traveling for these books this it's all three. You know, it's there are moments when you're sitting like I said, yeah, we're talking to someone like dislike just copy straight into the book. This is awesome. And then there are moments where you're like, I don't know where this is going, but there's probably something here. And then there are some moments and there are things that don't get into the book, they're just so awful. I mean in the mock UP to book, the only thing that my, my editors penguin at Dutton penguin, have really cut out in three books. I've done for them was a whole scene about my digestive troubles. In there. It is in there. There's a little much longer it went on and on and on and Bryant tart the editor in chief, who was my editor at the time. It was like, I love everything in the book, except that scene seeds just gotta go. That's the real stuff that is the real stuff, you know, maybe in the special tenth anniversary edition, we'll put that in the appendix to chat book of just that all my get it talk about something that is a big audience for him on single dollar ninety nine. So I'm interested in the this may seem so trivial. But when you're so like you're on this boat, and who end up talking to people, and you sort of write about how people ask are very open to conversation and all kind of like on this thing together. But I am interested in how what you're protas like you're traveling on you there for days and days and days. Yeah. So for every person, do you walk up and say, hi Mark, I'm writing a book about this, or do you get deep in a conversation and then pull out your notebook and say, actually, I'm I'm already book, and I like how do those conversations develop? It depends. You know, if it's someone who knows what they're talking about. I absolutely positively call an advance explained who I am. I've written his books have been on NPR, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then we said at Dayton time and usually end up in a coffee shop or something, although in Alaska, you know, they're usually a little standoffish at first, it's like, you know, I'm not so sure about this all these people come up all the time, they're little gun shy because of all the reality TV. So you start talking to him if it's a stranger, they'll be like. I don't know about this. I've been burned in the past, and then five or ten minutes later as well. Okay. Why don't you come to dinner and then you can sleep in my spare bedroom for three nights? You know, 'cause that's just a kind of place that Alaska. So the reality TV is producers coming up to find more extreme Alaska all the stream Alaska stuff, and I I've gotten like five calls from TV producers since his book came out, and it's like, hey, do you happen to know anyone who lives off the grid? But, you know, also like hot bathing, suit model. You know. So it's quite understandable that will ask her sick of this stuff. But if I am meeting, someone like on the boats in particular, like from Katcha Cantu, wrangle, and then, again, from Juno to sitka have two separate conversations with fishermen and they're talking about what it's like to be a fisherman and the weird things that happen. And what I do in that situation is I'll just like turn the camera on in my head. It's like the old Tom Wolfe thing in with radical, chic. He's like, you know, I just memorize everything than I run off to the bathroom and scribbled down. That's what I do there as well. And I'll change their name or just use their first name. Or sometimes I'll call him later, say, you know, at the end, I'll say, you know, do you have an Email writer, and I might have, you know, a question or two for you. And I'll say we'll actually, I'd like to write about what we talked about, and give them the general gist of bitten usually see. Yes. Sometimes don't. But if not, then I'll change the name because it just it gives that genuine flavor without embarrassing anybody. And do you in that kind of situation, are you like what do they think you are dear dislike a guy on the boat? A lot of times, people just come up start talking to you on these boats. Because it's very open. There's no cell service. Nobody's checking their Email. You know, it's literally people playing checkers and you know, reading Ross MacDonald, books and stuff like that stuff that they would have been doing thirty years ago. So the idea that you can sit down at someone's table and start talking, which in New York City would be like, you know, call the cops on these boats in Alaska. It's like most. Normal thing in the world. If you had opened seat someone's gonna come sit down start talking to you and they might be the strangest person you've ever met in your life. And in my case, that's great, you know. But, you know, usually unless unless I get the sense that it someone who would not mind if I started taking notes, then I'll hold off and be his people, you tend to freak out, if you pull out a pencil in a notebook, you know, they start acting like you're Mike Wallis trying to, you know, stock on sixty minutes or something. Yeah. The other thing that seemed very tricky to me actually about this and, and the much approved you're going in and part of the conceit of the book is not that you're naive about. I mean you've paired like and know what's going on there. But you're going as an explicitly as an outsider with a particular into it. And in both cases there sort of cultural aspects in Alaska, there's the way that Alaskan data's were treated are still trying to today how that interacted with. Airman expedition, and I'm curious how you how you think about that kind of going in particular when you're you're doing the historical aspect, where it's a different time. And like you have this group of people who did, a lot of good research, who also kind of did awful things not them themselves, but they sort of, like, look the other way, it's like for the most part, and, like, how do you how you think about that going in not sort of perpetuating that I guess as well? I think first of all, you know, somebody wrote a book about writing recently came report ones, maybe Colum McCann or someone like that. And the first rule is don't be a dick still. You know, bluntly stated, but it's true. Don't be a jerk. Don't go in with, you know, presuppositions don't go in trying to tell people things go in with your ears open and hear what they have to say. And the second thing is you mentioned you know, looking at stories that have already been told you say what hasn't been told here, and when I started looking at the history of Alaska and, and the late nineteenth century, there was no historical record of the people of Alaska, and it's the same problem I encountered with Baru when the Spaniards came in and conquered the Incas they destroyed their history to all this history that had been passed down. Orally, these people for generations have been told that bad, you need to embrace the official American narrative, and bits and pieces of that have held on now. There's a big push like, you know, save native languages that are dying and things like that. And to me, that's very interesting. You know, the missing part of the story is often, the most interesting part of the story, and did you already have a kind of? View of, you know, those old travel writers, it seemed like you've been at editor in your also like a big leader of that stuff like of the John Muir's, and the borough. And like all those that group did it did it change your view of them, like looking at them up close it did a little bit. You know. I mean, the funny thing about John Muir is he's, you know, he's like this druid you know, this priest of nature, but at the same time he was at fruit baron, you know, he's making a fortune on fruit trees, a few hours outside of San Francisco. You know how to be a travel writer was buf- route baron, then you can do all travel. Right. He's, you know, I'm, I'm living off, my, you know, my wife given space and neuters, two cats and dogs and John Muir who's leaving off his wife's fruit fortune. You know he started out as a vagabond, and he used definitely a very serious traveler. But that part of the story tends to get left out when the, there's a whole whole small narrative of the harem in the guy paying for the expedition. Yeah. Who just wants to shoot a bear like Beth? That was the. Genesis of the expedition he met some guy at the field museum in Chicago. And he's like, what's the biggest bear I can shoot and he's Kodiak baron Kodiak island in Alaska and harem. It's like okay, well, let's you know, let's get a luxury steamship going. Let's call John Muir. You know, let's see who else we can get on this thing. And, and, you know, maybe we'll make some amazing scientific discoveries. Let's go. We've got two months it's sort of review to funny way of like modern media companies being owned by billionaires. It's like Bill. Let you do all the things that you wanna do, but he might wanna shoot a bear. So keep that in mind show up once in a while, and we're actually here to base, right? Right. It was Scott when I worked for men's journal magazine back in the day was like, okay, you guys can make this great magazine, but keep your desk, cleaner yawns gonna freak out. You know, that, that's that might be the most important thing you know, let's win a national magazine award, but for God's sake don't have cluttered desk. Okay. Well, let's talk about back in the day because one little tidbit that filtered through in to the iceberg was that your dad. Yeah. Was CBS cameraman who covered the Exxon Valdez oil spill. But as I understand it, you were not want to be journalists from Verma Hurley on, now, my dad worked for the what was the Walter Cronkite show, and then the Dan, rather show, and then CBS got sold, and he started working for local TV news. This is in just as enshrined grew up outside Chicago and he hated TV. Always hated to never watch TV said, don't go into TV. He never had you watch things and he said, like, oh, I shot, I think now he was that proud of being in TV. But what his job did was I could go down to WB 'em and watch them shoot, the news and there? Bill kurtis. You know, then I could meet Bill Kurtis afterwards and shake his hand, you know, it Congo's one of those towns where, you know, if you're the local, weather, man, or, you know, you're a sports star or former sports star those people get you are really, really put on a pedestal as less. So now but it still more so than than in New Yorker LA. So see these people like, you know, blowing their nose into a handkerchief or something like that sort of demystified the, you know, the famous person 'nigma, and that was useful. When I basically fell into journalism fell into magazine writing would you wanna be now? I was in graduate school at Loyola Chicago studying literary criticism deconstruction post structuralism that sort of thing not doing that. Well, and if there's one skill life, skill I have when gift it's not like storytelling or anything like that. It's being able to sense when things are about to take turn for the worse and being in grad school. In Chicago at like a second rate, PHD program in nineteen ninety one. I was like I don't like with his job market is going. You know, I am I'm not going to be able to get a job at a place like Lola. So I took a year off. I was tending bar in the loop in Chicago, and near the financial district and a friend of mine came in one night, and was like, hey, I met the managing editor of outside magazine. What's outside magazine? She's just really cool outdoorsy magazine. They have internships. I think you should go. Go talk to the managing editor. And I was like, I don't know. We'll see and she'd kept Atta. She's like, no, this is perfect for you. It's like this is what you should be doing with your life. So I Finally I called the guy up is named Dan Ferrara. He's still good friend of mine here in New York. He worked at Bloomberg and. He's like, okay. Yeah. Cool, we'll give an internship, and what I didn't realize at the time, it was based in Chicago, basically, on time. They moved to Santa Fe a couple years later, was that I had joined one of America's greatest magazines like at the moment when it was about to hit its greatest period in the mid nineteen nineties outside magazine, when the national magazine were general excellence, three times in a row against Tina Brown's New Yorker. So I didn't realize that I I've been thrown into this, like incredibly fertile environment to learn about magazine, making and magazine writing my very first week there, you know, I sort of exaggerated, my computer skills, and they're like, we need to you to call this writer and Seattle and get the modem to work the handshaking protocol on the MAC. So you can get his manuscript in his name's John crack our he wrote the story about a Katy wandered off into the wild and dual in Alaska. And it took me five hours to get this manuscript over the boat them 'cause, you know, twelve hundred Baud at that time or what? Error, and you know, had no idea that this was going to end up the book and the movie into the wild. And you know, they're working with other people like that in meeting, Mark Bryant, who is the editor in chief, who has had a huge influence my life, 'cause he hired me again in New York City at a magazine. And then he bought my first book in two thousand three oh so my whole career is just basically happenstance being in the right place at the right time. Really, really good fortune. Because that outside magazine job, I was able to use that to get a job at G Q fact checking in nineteen Ninety-three during the art Cooper era. He's with the New York another one of the great magazine Aras of all time. Yeah. So basically within a year, I went from tending bar, and taking a leave of absence from literary theory to living in New York City, and you know running into Tom Juno at the coffee machine at Chiku. Yeah. You didn't aspire to be an editor. No, I became an editor. Or after a couple years of fact, checking David, Grainger, who was later, the editor of Esquire sort of took a shine to me and said, you have a nice writing style, and you're clever. But you don't know how to report, so he sent me over to his friends at Adwa magazine mediaweek magazine where they like, forced meter report. Four thousand words on the magazine industry, every day, which I absolutely hated. But it was great training did that for year then came back to g q a staff writer, and then a year later, Granger said, writers, don't make any money should be an editor. So why don't you become an editor, and then he left and art Cooper, basically, out of spite because he thought David Trott hire me promoted me, a senior editor, like you know, years before I should have been. It was a battlefield promotion, twenty nine years old, and I didn't know anything. That's the I mean, now that seems like such distant era could be like the nineteen twenties, the idea that two magazines were sort of just fighting over. Yeah. People and, and saying, like no will pay more to keep this person is. His I mean, I guess, people still move jobs and still get paid more to stay or whatever, but that just seem so foreign to such an amazing time because not only were magazines doing well and thick you know, we the nineteen ninety eight I think it was issue of men of the year issue, which is the November should Juku had five hundred four pages. I remember you know, I mean it's like the yellow pages. And so there's so much money to play with that you can do what you want to do, great work. You can you crap work. But what happened to be executed? I, I was there for two or three years. And I realized I don't actually know how to edit, you know, I've been promoted far beyond my station because I was like a good rewrite man who was at, like pre maxim and then early maxim era where if you could write funny about big topics, there was a premium for you. Suddenly time magazine discovered Joel Stein and for the back page and stuff like that. But then I went that's when I went back and work with Mark, Brian again, at men's journal he was trying to remake men's journal. And that's when my like editing -cation began because those watching a documentary about Stanley Kubrick, the other day is credible attention to detail and all the people who, who work for like, God, I love Stanley so much personally, but when you're working on a movie just want to strangle him because he can't kick it up unless Kylo Mark was like it was like, you know. Okay, I know we've got six drafts. This is good. It was good publishable on the fourth draft. I know the writers on a plane to China. I know shipping tomorrow, but really need a new lead. So send it out one more time. And you know, it's the lesson in quality, the lesson in how important the structure of story is, you know, the idea that, you know, you have to get a multiplicity of voices in there. That's when I really started to put that together, and I think, if I hadn't worked from work, and then after that I worked for Susan Casey, who had worked with Mark, who's been on the show here with Sports Illustrated women, and I worked with John razzmatazz, who is like the granddaddy of that whole school of writing and he. Also is extremely particular graduate school for editors so within three years of, like, okay. Now, I really know how to at it magazine stories and were you doing much writing in that era? I wrote all the way through their. Yeah. I mean, in two thousand three I was we had just bought a house and my wife wasn't working. So I was, you know, deputy editor at National Geographic adventure, magazine of writing stories for places like runner's world in a lure. And I signed up to write this book, I think I found an allure Johnson profile. That was the that was the profile. That broke me really. Yeah. That was the one issue comes down, like a half hour late at the Ritz Carlton on central park, south with her then husband from the black Crowes Chris Robinson, and they're like, hey man, you wanna get some Chinese food. Sure fine. I'm looking at my watch them like we only got two hours thirty minutes or gone spend ten minutes walking over there, and like a half hour into the interview the three of us, basically, like when is this going to end who can't can't allow d-? No. But you feel it was like they don't want to be here. I don't wanna be here and I knew sitting at that table on eighth avenue. New York City, I was like this is the last celebrity story I am ever going to do. I'm not working with celebrities anymore. I'm that deal. With sports people anymore. You know, unless it's someone fascinating. I'm not doing this anymore. I think that's probably the best decision I've ever made. So you turned away from that. And then was did you have another of these moments where you decided to go write books because you looked at the magazine industry and said, I can see this is about to turn bad. I would like to say I did. But I did not. I knew that the chances were that one of them was not going to do. Well, and I thought the magazine industry was probably headed for trouble two thousand eight two thousand nine with the big economic downturn. So. The fact that it had four five six more years, where did really well, I remember running into an old friend of mine, who was publisher Conde nast in two thousand thirteen and he's like, we just had the biggest year we've ever had in terms of pages, and we know the bottom could fall out at any minute. We're still waiting for the bottom befallen and it did. But only, like two years lays the saves of that money. Shed a man should a but what did occur to me when I was sitting at my desk, Rasmusen at National Geographic adventure, an example, a lovely person he is. I have a disabled son who I had started to bring into the city every day for school for him day. So razzmatazz called me up. He's like, hey, why don't you just come in and work a half day at National Geographic adventure? You can help coach the young kids. You can keep an eye on things and rewrite stories and stuff. So I was like, okay that's a good deal. So I was sitting in National Geographic, adventure, the first book about called Mr. America about the health grew had just come out was dying sales wise ally, I need an idea is. Going to sell and I'm walking up and down the hallways of, you know, America's leading outdoor travel magazine, or whatever. And it's like eight pictures Macci peach in here. People are obsessed with lachey peachy. Is there a story here and then I went back and I looked it up and I realized, oh my God. We're like a year and a half two years out from the hundredth anniversary of Macci, peach, you, if I hustle here, I didn't get a book peg to the anniversary. And that's what I did that reverse engineer had never heard someone explicitly people probably do it. But don't talk about it, but explicitly described in terms of how you figure out how to find a book that will sell in that book did sell sell very well. It's actually something I learned from an architect architects, said to me, once I get the commission, you know, and that's a great rule. It's like okay, I sell the book, get the advance have the baked in market. You know it doesn't have to be travel. It could be, you know you had page Williams on recently in the book about diners. People love dinosaurs. That's built in market, you know, and then create your masterpiece 'cause the wonderful thing about the book industry is once a trust, you, they'll just, you know, you know, this let you run and do whatever you want. And then, you know turn it in when you're done, and it could be completely different from what you talk together paying them. Attention now on the way. No. With the mock ups you book. Everybody loves like I John the Australian your guide. He's amazing such a great character. He wasn't in the book proposal. I when I sold that book, I had never even heard of John. You know, so you get a lot of leeway in the book world that you don't in the magazine business. So when you how, how I how big a leap was that. I mean you mentioned that your wife's vet. And but when you said, okay, I am going to take this leap, and leave yet magazine netted again, go read a book, like how big, did you feel like, oh I can always come back here, I go. And if this doesn't work, I don't know what's after it really felt like I was sailing off to the new world 'cause I done that first book, I knew how hard it was everybody who writes a book and. I haven't done any fiction, but nonfiction, they people tend to think if they're magazine writers newspapers I can do this in between my other job. And they don't realize how big task it is. The biggest thing you have to figure about writing a nonfiction book is you gotta be able to keep the whole thing in your head, as much more complicated than a four thousand word story. If you've got a hundred thousand word story, you've got ten times as many characters yet of moving par to get about the structure. You need to think about where this thing is going. So having done that once and turned it in, like two years late. I knew what it was going to take to do that. Second book and to do it. Right. And remember had a gun to my head because it was the hundred anniversary in July two thousand eleven so it was like a perfect situation. You know, it was also you know what happened with the first book was an executive editor bought it handed it off to a senior editor who left because I was so late and then handed it off to an assistant editor who was promoted to an associate editor and the book business, the higher up, your editor is the more yank, they're gonna have to say. Sales meeting in the marketing meeting. So I said to my agent, and I was like sell this next book to someone who has got some power in the room. And we went to Bryant target Dutton in, like, well, Brian is the president publisher editor in chief, and he offered the most money and I was like string. Oh. We have a deal, you know, the book was due on June fifteenth. And I had turned in June. Fifteenth at eleven am I think there were a little surprised. That's not. Yeah. That's not the common story. So when you're when you're looking for I mean, you mentioned like with tip of the iceberg, you, sort of you were in Seattle, and you saw this. Yeah, this ranger and that, that's what caused you to find out what the Herman expedition. But that's it. So happenstance. How do you approach finding these ideas? Like, what, what is your process by which you say, okay, now I need another book. You know, I kinda stole something out of Mike Lewis book where he in the introduction. One book from last, he's, I you know, where I was working on my last book. I was driving around with this guy in Texas. It was. And, you know, he mentioned that, you know, what's the worst thing that could happen to the economy. And he said, oh, the thing I worry about his ex lo and behold, six months later, you know, X happened, so I went and talked to Meredith Whitney or something like that. And I really after I did the Mike. Impeachable. Because like wait. I can just take ideas developed bits and pieces from stuff leftover. So it was like, you know, I did this story about the world's greatest philosophers for real simple. Another Simon I probably never should've taken, but, you know, it introduced me to the basics of the philosophy of Plato and it's like, wait. Plato is the guy who invented the Atlantis story, everything we know about Atlantis this not like you know made up. Woo stuff came out of plano. That's kind of weird, and then wait a minute when I was at National Geographic, adventure, remember how there was that day that Google maps came out? And also people started e mailing in saying I found Atlantis on Google maps, you know, maybe there's, you know, maybe they're using this Plato story and things like Google maps, now that, you know, the internet is big. You know, search community to look for Lantis, maybe some of these people have actually like, good ideas about where Atlanticism Atlanta shows up in the appear booked. Yeah. Exactly. And that's claims through exactly does. That's what you know, I saw the newspaper clipping from nineteen eleven was like Atlantic from pigeon near. Atlanta's found in Africa. So you take these little things, maybe the leftover from the last book, and you just sort of play them forward the next one, because I am so bad. But I d I'm terrible with ideas. The best magazine writing gig, I ever had was at men's journal because Jason find the editor and marquee, the executive editor would just call up and be like, hey, here's a preapproved idea. Do you wanna go? Be like where have you been all my life? You know, it's hard enough with book ideas. But, you know, people who are out there, hustling all the time and send in a new idea every week. I don't know how they do that part of my brain. Just never developed, but book ideas are also big swing view been how far down the road of you Ben with something either pre proposal or a proposal that didn't happen. Luckily, I have like the world. Most blunt agent, Daniel Greenberg. I've sent at least a half a dozen ideas to him over the years. He's like this is not going to sell, or this is a great idea, but you would not do very good job with this. When we, we first book together, he's like, do you wanna see the editors responses from the houses and reporters, I'm like, yeah? Sure. Of course, more information is good information. So you just start sending these forwarding them blind lean. It's like this is a dumb idea, and he's not a very good writer, and I don't think he'd do very good job with this book, just like, you know, rejection after rejection as Daniel okay, that's enough. I get the. I get the idea. So. Yeah, I come up with bad ideas for books all the time. Are you on one right now? I have three ideas, I'm juggling. And he likes to of them to give the vague outline one is one involves elephants in Africa. One involves mount Kailash in Nepal, which is like the high holy mountain of Tibetan Buddhism, and one which he Daniel does not know about is I'm fascinated by the idea of what is lost, when we moved from a world where hand in the brain or connected through handwriting through drawing and things like that into a more ephemeral typing world you have kids, so you know, they're moving away from the cursive, and things like that. Well, there's a whole body of research on what is lost? When you're no longer have that tactile, you know, element of learning. So I find that whole thing fascinating. And there's a couple of other things kicking around and then you must I mean you said, you get a million people asking you like how do I do your job? Yeah. Be a travel writer to go to college. I think in one of your books like it's called travel, memoir, it's described in, you know, it's a weird name matter history travel, you know, I don't even know what to call it. But you still have this thing where like people are paying you to go to cool places, and be that camera lens, just take it all in what if someone wanted to get into this, you know, for probably the first twenty years of my career, I told everybody I was like you know what you gotta do Yang effect. Checking job I used to say that, that's what I that's how I started. You know, you're you start fact checking jeanmarie Laskaris has been on the show a couple times, I would fact check stories from people like her from, you know, the best writers in America, G, Q. And you get this huge file. You've got all their reporting all of their research, you see how it's put together you might even have like earlier drafts of the story. So it's like diagramming sentences in grade school. You get to see exactly how these stories are put together. I don't know what that job is. Now, they're still there. I mean there are talking jobs, I think there are there. A lot fewer than there used to be. But big magazine still do them. I mean the thing I've found is when I try to tell someone I mean it's funny people talk about millennials in, in a derisive way. But like they're like, ten hustles ahead of where I was at that age. People are so much more. They know the landscape and they know how to hustle, everybody's like, well when I really introduce me to your agent the like if you call me up and show me that you could write and that you have a book idea, that's going to sell, and remember, you know, that's rule number one of the book visits. It's a business, right agents want proposals that they can sell for money because that's how they live. You know. So don't come to me with your college thesis that you wanna turn into a three hundred page book, because it's fascinating to you. In what I always say is imagine yourself on, you know, fresh air or the today show or, you know, some real general interest show, can you entertain a million people for an hour with? That's in your book, because if you can't, you're not gonna be able to sell it, and you're not gonna be able to get into an agent, and you're certainly not gonna have a big publishing house, take it. Yeah. Yeah. It it's a business. You know, you have to have stuff that sells, you know, there's a reason why magazines always put celebrities on the cover casulties sell, you know, every editor in chief in America's God. I wish I didn't have to put celebrities on the cover of the magazine. You know. But that's what sells. So you know you if you do want to get started as a nonfiction book writer. The first thing you need is an idea. A lot of people are going to buy, you know, and sometimes you can do that, because you write for the New Yorker and they'll let you write about whatever you want, or the New York Times magazine or something like that. You know, sometimes you just sold a bestselling book, and now you want to write about the people looking for Atlantis, which if you hadn't, you know, no one would return, your phone call. But they have to have some sort of idea that, you know, at the end of the day, they're profited loss statement is going to have black on rather than rent. Well, here's open. Your next one is indeed that, thank you. Well, thank you coming on the show. My great thanks. That is all for this week's long, foreign podcast. I'm your co host Evan. Ratliff, thanks to Mark Adams for coming into the studio his book out in paperback now. It's called tip of the iceberg. It's very funny. It's very fun to read go check it out. Thanks to my co hosts, max linski and Aaron Lamour. Thanks, or editor, Pifer, or intern Garber with, and to our sponsors mail chimp and put writers we will see next week.

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144. Dave Asprey, Biohacker, Author & Founder of Bulletproof

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144. Dave Asprey, Biohacker, Author & Founder of Bulletproof

"Gratitude is actually the gateway to forgiveness. She wanted forgiven as someone who's wrong. You forgiveness about telling them that you forgive them. It's about us stopping holding a grudge. That takes energy. You have to find gratitude firsts for everything in the world so yeah that means finding gratitude for the pandemic one good thing came out of it even if a lot of other garbage came out of it wrong. Hello hello everyone. Emily body here bringing you episode one forty four of hurdle a wellness focus. Podcast where i sit down with inspiring individuals to talk about everything from their big wins to how they've gotten through some of life's toughest moments on the show. What you can expect vulnerability motivation and can't discussions of everyone from top athletes to aspiring entrepreneurs on what it really takes to follow your passions. My mission is simple to inspire you to your best self move with intention and have some fun along the way today. I have chatting with dave asprey. And now you've probably heard of dave before but maybe not be exactly sure why dave is the creator of the bulletproof diet and bulletproof coffee. He's also the founder of the biohacking movement which sounds jazzy. Because in div as he defines biohacking gotcha. It is the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you so that you have full control over your own biology. I know i know in today's episode. We get into all of that. He tells me about a time in his life when he weighed. Three hundred pounds was a computer hacker and dealing with a slew of health issues including arthritis which led him into learning about an inventing biohacking. Dave started spending a considerable amount of money on getting better than he had ever been. And of course we address this in today's episode. Not all of us have hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe even more to dedicate to something like this but we do wanna love our health. Naturally dave he gives me gives the hurdlers some low cost and free examples of how we can do just that whether it be through things that we should implement or cut out of her diet or other simple tactics like hitting a cold plunge and we talk about. Why freezing your butt off in some water can do your body good. He also tells me about his impressive career history how he made a small fortune by the time he was twenty six and then lost it by the time he was twenty eight and then we talk about his journey to building the bulletproof brand and business. I love how this episode kicks off with a beautiful discussion on the importance of gratitude. And if i'm being really honest. I did not know how this interview is gonna go. But i found dave to be so interesting at so delightful and everything. He had to say literally. I was just fascinated so a lot of content. Here has a new book out this week called fast this way how to lose weight get smarter and live your longest healthiest life with the bulletproof guy too fast. And i'm going to link that in the show. Notes congrats to dave in the bulletproof team big week but where we get into swing today. Today's episode is brought to you by baron. Studies have shown that journal is a great way to improve your mental wellness. But sometimes you just don't know where to start that's where barren vague comes into the mix of their line of guided edition journals. They are the perfect introduction to journaling and getting started on your own individual wellness journey. I use at least three different barren fig products. Every day i kick start things by writing in my confidant nope and then lean into their clear habit journal with my squire penn. I'm such a barren fig junkie. 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But if you've yet to rate and review hurdle in the i tune store and you come back to the week after week and love what you are listening to. It would mean the world to me if you would just take quick second and do that today with that. Let's get to hurdling today. I am chatting with dave asprey. I feel like this man needs no introduction. He's the creator of bulletproof coffee. The founder of bulletproof three sixty a multiple new york times bestselling author. How you doing today. Dave doing really well really well. I love the adjective here Well i got to enough hours of deep sleep last night and an hour and a half of ram. So i'm supercharged today. I love the statistics that we've got going on here fun fact before we get into the the real meat and potatoes. I was actually working rodale when we were launching the bulletproof diet. So it's kind of fun now for me a little career moment to come full circle with you. Oh you were you in that conference room with like forty people talk. I'm sure i was. Yeah we did a lot of a lot of fun stuff for the promotion of that book. it was amazing because i was walking down the street in new york and i found this cool like army ranger vest at a thrift shop. And i'm going to buy this. I mean aware an actual almost bulletproof vest to this meeting with wrapping do but it was fun. I love that. I love that. Okay and then. I think a fun thing for us to do to kick start our our time together today. I'd love to talk a little bit about gratitude. Because i've heard you talk about it before and it's not something that we all talk about all the time but i think that in the contents of what were doing This year it's really important so if you could just talk to me a little bit about how having gratitude can impact our bodies. Gratitude is the thing that turns off stress. You cannot actually feel gratitude and be angry at something at the same time so you can at least interrupt the anger by finding something to be grateful for and the weird thing about gratitude from a neuroscience perspective is that you can actually see the effect of gratitude in brainwaves So you can just be really pissed off at whatever policy is affecting your business right now or whatever else And then you can say wait a minute you know. I still have a roof over my head. And you just ponder it for a second and you see shifting layer heartbeats in the way your brain works and gratitude is actually the gateway to forgiveness and this is a part of the neuroscience program that i run where if you wanna forgiven someone. Who's wronged you. Forgiveness is about telling them that you forget them. It's about us stopping holding a grudge. That takes energy. You have to find gratitude. I for everything in the world. So yeah that means finding gratitude for the endemic one. Good thing came out of it even a lot of other garbage out of it fair share and i love what you just said also about how having gratitude can impact your heart be and the way that impacts that is actually with our heart rate variability. Is that right absolutely you nailed it. How let me go. i'm i and i mean we'll talk about biohacking. But i have become a little bit obsessive whoop strap which is teaching me things that i never really I've looked into before when it comes to my body and my data and so many of the things that you are so well versed with. It makes a lot of sense to say. Hey how am. I doing in ways that i probably don't know how to feel yet and if you wake up in the morning and say oh look. My bio monitor shows me that i really recovered well as night. Today i can push myself hard. That's precious knowledge because otherwise if you woke up in your kind of fried and you didn't really realize how fried were and you push hard. You'll just get more fried. And this is why doing the same exercise routine the same fasting routine same. Whatever every day maybe should customize your routine for the day biohacking. I wanna break it down a little bit for the hurt lers as i love to call them As to what it is so what does it mean to be. A bio hacker. Oh when i started the biohacking movement. I really ponder the definition and i came up with this. It's the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you so that you have full control over your own biology. Okay so that's loosely. pipe. Yeah i mean it's like well. What does it really mean. What's different than everything else and it is now a word in the english dictionary was added in two thousand. Eighteen is one of eight hundred eighty new words and my name's and the definition. Yeah but they didn't use my definition. They used a similar one around some similar stuff. But i mean how to be someone. That's kind of you know you're saying my name is next. To the definition of this to be someone that so on the forefront of this i mean how does one even get into biohacking so give me give me some some of your back story. How how we arrived at even interested in getting into this kind of work. The easiest way to get into biohacking is to suffer greatly. All you have to do that and get tired of it and you'll find your way there Certainly i put a name on this practice. But it's something that we've been doing for thousands of years and one arm of it is. How do i improve myself. And the other arm of it is. How do i heal myself. And most people have some things they want to improve and some things that they would benefit from healing whether they know about them or not and in my case i weighed three hundred pounds and i started having cognitive dysfunction in my mid twenties my career was taking off. I was doing phenomenal things. And i couldn't remember stuff and i was at high risk of stroke and heart attack in pre diabetic and i had arthritis that i've had since i was a teenager and my knees and like i have to fix this and the doctors don't seem like they can do it. I'm a computer hacker sexually my job. So maybe i can hack this because it doesn't look like anyone's gonna do it for me. So it was. That got me started. It was desperation. Frankly but eventually. I spent three four hundred thousand dollars fixing myself. It doesn't really take that much but you spend a lot of money on stuff that doesn't work because the knowledge isn't well put together. And then i started spending money on getting better than i ever had been and going beyond. What's normal and i still don't know the upper limits of human life span or cognitive enhancement. But i've i'm pretty happy with where i am now. Pretty happy with where you are now. It's interesting to me as someone who also at one point. I was definitely overweight. And so two here you in your your story. What if anything specific can you attribute you know the earlier unhealthy habits that you had in your life to are used to believe that it was it was my fault and actually it was my fault because i am in large part in control of my environment but i thought it was a moral failing and it was a hardware problem that i had So it was. There were behavioral things. I was afraid of being lonely. And i was afraid of being hungry because i'd been taught that if you don't eat every six times a day you'll go into starvation mode and so i had beliefs that were not true that informed my actions And then i also had biological stuff going on. I lived in a house that had toxic mold and toxic. Mold turns down your ability to use your food to make energy so you get fat and it also makes you emotionally less able to control your emotions. See a jerk all the time. You're tired and you keep gaining weight and getting stretch. Marks it sucks. How did you know that your house had toxic moult well. I've become kind of an expert in it. Because i did figure this out. By the time. I was thirty or so it was. It was a lot of work to the point. I funded and shot a documentary. Moldy movie dot com. It's a free thing anyone can see just to say. This is a real problem affecting one hundred million people it matters but the symptoms had even as a kid growing up in a basement that had been flooded. I would have a chronic nosebleeds. All the time which is a classic symptom nightmares joint pain rashes. And you get all these different symptoms from them. And i've interviewed so many really successful people have just been taken out with had a behind dishwasher. Just the dumbest things but this stuff. That's highly poisonous will grow in your house if you're not watching for it. It's something to be aware of in. It's not something to be afraid of. It's just to know. But if people are saying i moved into a new house and i gained thirty pounds. And i wake up feeling hungover when i sleep. Twelve hours and my life is falling apart. I think you might want to get an air test. My friend only we knew and it may be then in that case like spending two three four hundred dollars which can definitely come off like a a big chunk of change but on some sort of an air purifier. At the very least is like a good place to start. If we're talking about spending money on our health it is in fact. One of the different companies with different missions but one of my companies called home biotic makes a probiotic you spray around your house that eats mold as its fuel source and the mission my companies to stop the world's toxic mold problem. I mean it's a big thing especially especially for kids. It's a major cause of alzheimer's dale brazen in his book the alzheimer's says it's one of the big three things that are triggering it so we have this you know. Parts per million toxins funding round. Smells a little bit swampy in that house. Oh don't worry we'll agree. Don't worry but maybe don't go in there either right. And so when you're you know in your mid twenty s heading toward thirty you're feeling a little lost. You're in the midst of this hurdle moment like is there one specific event. That happens that you save yourself like okay. It's time to make a change. Well i made six million dollars was twenty casual those those kind of fun and how does one make six million dollars at twenty six. The hurlers aren't enough. I was a co founder of a part of the company that helps google's first servers when all of the the the facebook was still the facebook and all of those companies were just being formed. My company held their servers and ran the davis centers. And i made that six million dollars. And i lost it two years later i was twenty eight not an easy thing to go through god. No that's one of the. Who top stressor like losing a family members. Losing your life's fortune and it taught me a lot though Because number one. I said okay have enough money. I've already had my moment of fame in my early twenties. I was the first person to sell anything over the internet. Believe it or not the first product ever sold before there was a web browser was a caffeine t shirt. That said caffeine my drug of choice. So i'm going all right i. I've tried fame. I was in my picture in a magazine wasn't very happy when it has six million dollars in like i'll be happy million dollars which was a real stupid thing to think and say but i did do that and i was getting none of those make you happy and that was a really important learning but it also gave me the opportunity to say nothing else matters except for your energy and maybe your health but really your energy because if you have enough energy you can make time or you can make money but if you have time and money. We have no energy. It doesn't matter you'll just sleep and so for me. I started focusing on. How do i feel. How do i make myself feel good all the. How do i know that if i press on the accelerator my life that i can go faster because i was panicking. I was like in a car. And you're pushing all the way to the floor in it's slowing down and you can push anymore. It doesn't matter how much you tries matter. Much you want is that there isn't power there. And i just never wanted to feel that again so i said all right. I'm going to have to hack this. If if i can teach people how to build a million server networks where you don't know what's going on but somehow you control it. How different can the body and it turns out that systems biology perspective. You can hack the body and a lot of functional. Medicine has moved in this direction. And i just saying how. Do i get the neuroscientists to talk to the bodybuilders to talk to the navy seals to talk to the astronauts to talk to people doing anti-aging research hundred. We'll get together because what everyone wants. Whether you're like i was when i was twenty five. You know what i wanted. Most i wanted enough energy to do it. I wanted which was mostly man. I'm gonna be really cross about this as my mid twenty s. mostly. I just wanted to get laid and make my career happen. Because that's the your hormones are kinda like that when you're that age so that wasn't where i was putting my energy right but that was where i wanted to put it because i didn't have enough and so i just realized we all want energy to control our biology and if that means like i have an hour and a half commute i wanna come home and i don't want to be a zombie for my kids. That's important right. Or i want to be a good teacher. I want to be an entrepreneur. I wanna be a football player. Whatever but you just wanted your body to do what you wanted. And that's what unites all of us. I think the difference between you and so many or just perhaps you know the success story versus the stagnant is that you felt this way and then you were ready to take action and a lot of people say i need to do this. I wanna do this. But it's that tipping point right. It's the i'm going to get up and do it that so many people struggle with whether you know it's a similar situation and we're talking about weight loss or go to a career shift or a career change like the unknown is what stops so many people from just saying all right. Let's make this happen if there's fear of the unknown. There's also just a kind of a learned helplessness. You go to the doctor and the doctor is gonna fix you and for me for it really helps. I went to the doctor wants. And i said i've done a lot of research. Something really isn't working right. The one thing i've been able to find out is that vitamin c Seems to help me when i take it. I feel a little bit better. And he looked at me and said stop. It could kill you. Don't take vitamin c. Oh my god. And i looked at him and i said what about linus pauling. Now lennon's polling took ninety grams of vitamin c a day and one two nobel. Prizes doesn't pretty well known in health community for doing that. The doctors like i don't know who that is. And i just realized i'm dealing with someone who lives in a different reality than me and i had been on antibiotics for fifteen years for chronic. Sinus infections another toxic mold thing. And i'm just like hold on a second here. I am not dealing with someone. Who's an expert in what i'm dealing with. Which is i want limitless energy. I wanna feel good when i wake up in the morning. I don't want pain in my body all day. I don't wanna lose words. When i'm trying to think of things i want to be able to pay attention all day long every day. Two things that i love. And i care about and that i think matter in the world and it's not working right now and this guy has no clue. He thinks i'm lying. He doesn't believe me when i told them. I worked out an hour and a half a day six days a week for eighteen months to lose weight and i still have a forty six inch. waist is like that's because you eating snickers bars. I'm like no it's not is because something isn't working. Everyone listening to this has things that aren't working even though they keep doing them. I just resolve that. I'm going to measure and see what works. I'm going to do what's supposed to work. And if it doesn't work then i'm going to do what's not supposed to work. And that led me to tibet to learn meditation from the masters to do acupuncture back when everyone thought it was a fraud to try everything with an open. Mind because what have to lose. I already feel like crap all the time right so then in your steps to both losing way and learning how to hack your body. What would you say. Became the first light bulb moment for you. Like i'm really onto something. And i'm starting to feel better. When the first lifeboat moments happened pretty early on i d had three knee surgeries and i was fat and that was going to the gym and i was eating low fat diet it just. It wasn't working but i was doing it. Because it's what you did and i went to this coffee shop and waiting in line. And there's a bodybuilding magazine. Now if you go back into the nineties farming community where. I went to high school. I'm generally Men didn't look at pictures of other men in bikinis because the other kids would be you up literally. That was the kind of school. I went to So i picked up the magazine. And i looked and said hey maybe carbs. That are making you fat. And i'm like. Oh that's interesting so without really knowing that i was doing i took wheat out of my diet because it was a carb and magically lost fifty pounds in three months It wasn't even that hard and my personality because we can really mess with your head but it turns out. It took me another ten years and a lot of experiments to lose the other fifty pounds. And that's what's happening. Now in the world of kito and people are saying oh i heard about the keita died. I'm just not can eat carbs but it's easy to lose some weight others will not go. That was why. I wrote the bulletproof diet. It was simply that he looked ketosis as a small part of it. But you've gotta not eat the stuff that irritates your body because if your body's irritated all the time your mind will be retained all the time and you'll be wasting energy all the time. My job now is to have no wasted effort to be really lazy at where. I don't want thoughts in my head about what's for lunch. What's for lunch. What's for lunch rather think about. What am i doing next to do something meaningful. Because i only have space for one thought at a time there and and so it was that kind of mindset to say how do i doubt i have more energy and i can direct my attention where i want it and remove distractions and eating toxins whether they're plant based toxins or chemical toxins. And all it really does affect your mental and your physical even your emotional state taking a break from today's episode to talk to you about my sponsor breen shop the first us da certified organic meal kit company green chef and makes eating while easy and affordable plans to fit every lifestyle whether you are kito peo- vegan vegetarian or just look into eat health year. You know i love pizza. Fridays no questions asked but ordering green chef week after week. It's it helps me to find some balance in my diet. The other day. I made a cheesy pesto chicken bowl. That was literally to die for and also of note last friday. 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To get your free sample pack today. Bonus if you don't love it they'll refund you your five dollars. No questions asked. You've got nothing to lose. Drink element dot com slash hurt off. So then what are the other toxins. That you have found are really just know goes for diet and consumption. There are four categories of toxins. It that i wrote about in the bulletproof diet the first one was electons and since then at the plant paradox came out which really focused a lot on electons as well and leptons are inflammatory compounds proteins. Stick to sugars that are found in the nightshade family like bell peppers and spicy peppers and potatoes and tomatoes and some people are sensitive. Some aren't there in legumes there in grains and when you eat those things they tend to cause inflammation puffiness gut problems leaky gut. But you know there are a lot better than starving so we figured out. We could eat these foods but that was because there wasn't anything like a grass-fed steak wondering around or we would've eaten that from an ancestor perspective. So the deal is plans. Don't want us to eat their babies so they cover themselves and toxins and we selectively remove the toxins by peeling by cooking etcetera etcetera. But still there's stuff that isn't good for us in some plants so you pull out those you pull out oxalates acid which is present in kale kale's of nemesis kale's causing kidney stones in joint pain and even vaginal pains nicole. Bobek dania in lots of people right now and they just don't know it to get rid of your kale euro spinach and magic league. You feel better. And that's because these things evolved so they wouldn't be over eaten by animals and then the third thing is fights when you go on a plant based diet your plant based proteins are covered in fighter gossip with prevents your ability to absorb zeke and magnesium and copper and other minerals. You need so animals who eat lots of plants that are full of fight aids. Unless you're a cow with three stomachs. What happens is you can't absorb other minerals. You get weak and then there's less of you so you'll stop eating the plants. It's all in ballots and the fourth thing is called micro-toxins or mold toxins and when plants are growing in the field or when they're stored mold grown them and some of these malls are very toxic. And they simulate estrogen so make you puffy. They give you extra fat in your tissues and they cause cognitive dysfunction. They're linked with cancer in thousands and thousands of studies. Not just a few so like what if we could just minimize those things and then eat the foods that didn't have those and that became the bulletproof diet roadmap people lost million pounds on the bulletproof diet. So yeah you can. You can do intermittent fasting. I have a new book by the way just coming out. It's fast this way where i teach people about how to do fasting in a way that works and you want to eat foods that don't make hungry. The things i just talked about. Those are the things that give you cravings. So if you'd like to be able to skip breakfast occasionally without thinking about food all the time. Don't have that stuff for dinner. It's not that hard. You mentioned your your trip abroad. And i'm sure that really kind of started to shift your entire perspective so after a life changing trip like that. How do you know what your next step is going to be. There's something called Serendipity where if you get a chance to travel and gotta might be a couple of years before that happens. I hope we turn travel back on because it's important especially when we're younger but not sure what's going to happen and you're going to allow things to happen the way they're going to happen so you don't know where you're going to be next week because you're taking a month and you're traveling and you're going to do this in called wandering and i i feel like that's the most important thing and you come back from a trip like that you can say. Oh i've got you know a job planned. Or i know what i'm going to do but you can also say you know what i was punished to that but suddenly this other opportunity came so it's willingness to just look around and be open to what comes to you. It's pretty incredible. I came back from my trip to nepal and tibet and china. And i said i'm going to go be. Ceo of a wireless internet company in hawaii. Because i want to be able to surf. And before i could do that. I got a another job opportunity in silicon valley. That was a profound note. People i've worked with before us. I'm actually gonna do that I met my wife came back from that. That trip and i met my wife not because i was planning to but because i got a phone call randomly from a friend. Who said you have to come to this conference. And why she just kind of convinced me to come serendipitous league and i went so it's not just being open and that's the thing a lot of people it's too rigid So you don't have to know what's going to happen but you can just say i'm going to be curious about what happens right. And so you come back and you go to the conference and you meet your wife and then serendipitous. -ly do you start to be guided toward this path of being your own boss entirely. I've been an entrepreneur in in silicon valley for a long time but it was always as a part of an entrepreneur focus company. That place remained six million dollars. I was a co founder of part of the company where we started a company inside a company from end. I'd always said you know. Someday i'll do my own entrepreneurial thing but that wasn't my goal with bulletproof at all i just wanted to share the knowledge that had helped me so much. I've been running anti-aging for twenty years. And i said i think five people are going to read this blog and if it's the right five people it'll change their life so profoundly that it'll just it'll be like a really high roi. I already made a quarter million dollars year. I had stock options. I was a vp publicly traded company and had two young kids. That's probably not the ideal time to start a company. And when i started the blog more than two people more than five people paid and it started growing and growing and then i said i can't buy coffee. That doesn't make me crash. Maybe i can figure that one out. Maybe i can take the ingredients for bulletproof coffee. And i can turn those into products that i can't buy and my whole deal was i'm gonna make products i can't buy in. It's going to be a small side gig. And then. I called my friends from silicon valley in the venture capital world where i worked and i said guys. You're never gonna invest in my company. Because i know i've sat in your partner meetings. This isn't really a venture backed company. But you should give me fifty thousand dollars a personal money. So i can buy some. I can buy some more coffee inventory. And i'll give you a good return. And they came back and said how about nine million dollars. And i realized that down i pondered and i said okay if what i have is as good as i think it is and it does for people that i know it does and now we have a lot more research about alzheimer's and inflammation and like we just know so much ten years. After i started this i said i think i have a moral obligation to go big so i took the money. That's what it was. But it wasn't about i have to be my own boss. I'm going to show the world. That's what i did in my thirty s. What this was about was. How do i help a lot of people because i want no one to go through the amount of pain that i went through in my life and some of it was emotional pain someone with self inflicted but a lot of it was just not knowing the manual for the human body and i didn't know how to eat and not eat. Which is why fasting is a big focus for me now I didn't understand the neuroscience identified. Send gratitude understand forgiveness. I didn't understand having a mission verses being selfish all that stuff who teaches that anymore. I don't even know. But i thought maybe i could share with enough people to make a difference so when it comes to the coffee. Let's start there talk to me about bulletproof coffee. What makes it so special well. Bulletproof coffee came as an idea to me. Because on the side of mount kailash. It's a remote part of western tibet. Eighteen thousand feet elevation ten degrees below zero. I feel like crap and a little bit woman about half my height six four. I'm serious about half my and she gives me a bowl of yak butter tea. And i felt better than i had in a couple of years. I'm like this is not even possible. There's no arabs. Your how could this happen. And i came back to silicon valley. And i put some butter and some tea and it tasted like crap and it didn't work so i bought some real expensive team. It didn't work. So then i bought twenty five kinds of butter. And i'm like wait a minute to of the butters work there. The grass-fed butters. They're the closest he acts. They have real fat in them. That's interesting and then i said what's i'd given up coffee for five years because i would always crash after i had coffee. I thought maybe i was allergic. So i had a cup of coffee great but i fixed the next day. I had a different cup of coffee. I felt like crap and micah. It's not me. it's the different. Coffee has different things in it. Kinda like different bud has different things in it two different strains who different things so i did the research and i figured out. Coffey toxins that make a lot of people feel like crap and the. Us doesn't have any laws protecting us from those toxins. So when coffee's rejected by china rejected by japan rejected by europe. It's legal to sell in the us and canada and they send it here and then we drink it and then we get angry two hours later and what sugar so. I decided that i was going to put in infrastructure to change green coffee processing and then lab test it when i was done to see if we could make coffee. That didn't have that effect on me. And i thought thought maybe one hundred people want the coffee. I was kind of a soviet wrong. Just a little bit just a little bit wrong. You blend it with butter and you blend it with another oil called c. t. oil which at this point functional coffee tea oil and collagen another product that those are three major industry categories that bulletproof created. But when you blend it without the colleges just the two oils in the coffee it tastes like lotta turns on what the way you would feel after two days of fasting you get a ton of energy and you stop carrying about food. That's the big thing right so then talk to me about how you integrate the bill brew coffee into into your regular day. Because i know that as you mentioned fasting is a part of it in my new book on fasting. I expound on the psychology of fasting and there are three hacks that you can do in order to allow yourself to fast. Get the benefits of fasting but not feel any hunger. Because it's one thing if you wanna do you know a spiritual fast in a cave. Which is what. I did a four day fast cable by myself as part of writing the book. But if you don't wanna go there because you have a job you have a life you have demands but you wanted to look good. You want to feel good. You wanted the clarity in you. Skip breakfast you're gonna get hypoc light bitchy around eleven thirty and then you're going to. I'm going to power through it but you're not going to be yourself and a lot of us. Don't want that so you can use black coffee by itself during a fast and you'll be less hungry. You can put 'em ct oil and butter in it to make it a bullet coffee. You really won't be hungry and you'll have more energy but you're fasting. Machinery in the body will still be running. And if you wanna do the newest fasting hack. That's in fact this way. It is prebiotic fiber. You can put certain kinds of fiber into your coffee. You're into something else and you drink that. It doesn't change your blood sugar levels. It doesn't change your protein levels but it also turns off hunger by manipulating hunger hormones. So all the sudden eleven o'clock rolls around on a normal day when you have breakfast if someone puts a crisanto a muffin don't you. You're going to look at that thing. And it's going to look back at you and you're going to have this little inner dialogue. Want the muffin. And they say no no need half of it and you feel guilty but what really happens now is someone sets it in front of you this muffin and you just don't care because you genuinely don't wanna eat it. There's no thought about it. It's just like there's a pencil there but you don't need to write that to me is liberation. Because i didn't have to use willpower to do something. Just tell myself not to something that i didn't actually want to do. And that's what you're getting with this siam fiber bulletproof coffee in the middle of fast. It's it's been liberating for me. It's been liberating so. I mean i know that you want to live until one hundred and eighty is that right until at least one hundred eighty. I don't wanna put artificial limits on it. I respect that. But the question then becomes with this extra time as i would say because as we know most people won't get to this this coveted place. Why what are your biggest you know. What are you really hope to get with that extra time and we. I don't agree with the assumption that everyone or most of us aren't going to get to that place. I believe that we are going to see a profound shift in the next ten years in what it means to be old and i say this because it's already happened and you don't know it. Starting in about nineteen ninety five to two thousand there was an epidemic and as an epidemic of people who were older or our elders who are sixty five. Who are saying you know. What f you buddy. You can say. I'm elderly but i'm not because i still wanna work. I still feel good. My brain works. I like this and the scientists were like well. We're not so sure. So they did something called a grip strength analysis and they found that that's funny. People are not as weak as they used to be. So in fact it was fifty five. I'm back it was when you're fifty five year elderly and they had to move to sixty five so the definition of elderly shifted out ten years thirty years sales well so turns out. You're you're still as strong at sixty five as you were at fifty five and what's going to happen as all of us age is that we're not gonna have thin skin hunched over in diapers and putting your car keys in the fridge and all those things that were terrified of justifiably so what we are lacking the biggest pandemic of all is our village. Elders are missing. Because they have alzheimer's because they have diabetes because they can't get out of bed and we are having to care for them instead of them having enough energy to cover themselves and share their wisdom with the next two or four generations. That's how it's always been. There's always a few village elders and we need to bring that back in because if we understand there's a great chance you will be around one hundred and twenty years from now. Do you think you're going to throw plastic in the ocean no it. We need a long-term vision and a long-term vision that affects us. Not just some vague idea. Future generations so you better start building soil now because you will be present in a world where we don't have enough soil to grow food. If you don't do something else what do you think. I live on an organic farm. Where i'm building soil as fast as i can probably like to eat but also just because it's fun so having a long time span and understanding. This is not just for wealthy people. This is happening for all of us. In fact they announced yesterday a new drug. They found you take it. Four times and it reverses age related decline in memory from four doses of a drug what the drug does is fix metabolism. It's not approved for use yet. This just came out just yesterday but every week we're finding these amazing ways to turn our youth back on it is happening and it is happening faster and faster and faster. The only thing that'll stop it is a comet hitting the planet or really bad government policies or really bad government policy. I mean you say that. You don't need to have a ton of money to invest to do some good for your body to live longer. I know that you have had the opportunity to spend some money. Talks to to to better yourself so for those. That don't have those means if you had to offer them one or two suggestions. What do you offer them. The number one thing that you can do is show your body that occasionally there will be strong demands on it and it's going to have to turn on a lot of energy really quickly because when it knows that you live in a world like that any parts of your cells you might hundred. That are week. It'll just get rid of them and build young new ones. You can do a cold shower in the morning for one whole minute. You have cold water hitting you in the forehead. You'll hate me for saying that for three days but after three days all the sudden you know what that was not unpleasant. I actually feel really good because in three days time according to the studies you change the structure of your energy generation. Parts of your cells and they work better. And that's what builds resilience that's what builds immune function. That's what builds a person who is stronger and has more of that accelerator to push to the floor. So another thing you could do and these are all free As you can focus on your sleep. This isn't quite free but it's almost free blackout your curtains. There's a study that showed the amount of light that comes around curtains in the normal city environment increases depression by about sixty nine percent in cave Oil on your windows. If you don't have blackouts unplug your led's. This is not hard but those little things like that. Those will help you live longer. And maybe i'm wrong. You'll just have a bunch of digestive conditions for the last twenty years your life like you win either way except a narrow except i'm not wrong. Okay so then as we start to wind down here. Someone comes to your instagram page. And they see a man who has certainly done his fair share of research. He has biohacking tease well on his way to at least one hundred eighty when you look in the mirror. What is it that you see looking back at yale Just know the person i. I don't think i'm particularly special I look on the Do i have dark circles under my eyes. If so i wonder what i did too. 'cause that because i have control over those things right now you have an opportunity to offer a piece of advice to the dave who is in his mid to late twenty s really going through thick of it with this hurdle moment feeling stuck and at that bottom point even opportunity to offer him a piece of advice looking back on it. Now what do you tell him. The thing that. I wish. I could've told myself much earlier in my career was just that people wanna help. All you have to do is ask the right people for help and be willing to accept it. I was stubborn. I would not accept help in my twenties. Because i was going to show everyone i could do it all by myself and i i look back at. Marc andreessen has done very famous investor. Well mark created the first web browser. I wrote one of the first reviews in a magazine of the web browser and had done e commerce at the same time mark went to silicon valley raise hundreds of millions of dollars and became a billionaire. Would i do. I got tired of putting t shirts in boxes in my dorm room. And i shut the company down and not not complaining. I'm doing fine now but she was willing to go to silicon valley and ask for help from someone who done it before and i was too stubborn to do that. And if i had just eight people wanna help and they want help because it feels good to help it would have been so much easier for me now. I'm surrounded by people wanna help. And i'm i'm so fortunate i just wish i'd known that earlier. I could literally talk to you for hours. I wish that we had more time here today. Dave how the hurlers keep up with you. How do they find you. Give me all the details. Emily the best place to go right now. Is fast this way dot com. And when you go there pick up my brand new book. And i won't been two weeks teaching you the book because it's one thing to read a book because nothing to have the author teach it to you and i'll do that for free because i just want people to figure out how to skip breakfast out fast without breaking themselves and without feeling hungry and of course i'm really active on instagram. I'm dave dot asprey and bulletproof radio cup hundred million downloads. It's pretty well known. Just a couple of hundred million. I'm well on my way. they are dave. I'm aspiring to me like you. thank you so much. Thank you so much. I am at emily body and at hurdle. Podcast another heard all conquered. Catch you guys next time.

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Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story - Episode 17: Orgasms

Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story

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Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story - Episode 17: Orgasms

"It's sex and the Sarah Rose Story. I'm Sarah Rose and today the story is all about orgasms and really quick before we get into this episode. I know you may have found my podcast because you were looking for some interesting stories about sex to listen to but which you may not know is that I actually work with a lot of men to help them. Tap into their inner bad ass have the sexual confidence that they've always desire to have and to know once and for all that she isn't faking it. I have two distinct programs to help men. The first is for men who are ready to take the first step towards igniting their powerful sexual energy and getting better in bed. It's called sex stallion training in. It's an online program for you to do on your own time in the privacy of your own home without a partner. This is for men that are single in relationship or dating people and the second program is called man on fire which is the only sex university for men. This six month program is designed to help you become the ultimate sexual master per six whole months you train with me and live online sessions. I will train you to be the best lover that she has ever had. So if you want the secrets that every woman wished you knew and you wish that everyone had told you this is where they are finally revealed. Check out more INFO at tonic activation dot com or. Just check out the show notes in the PODCAST APP. You're listening to this from and there'll be links there for you. They enjoy the show and now I have a very very important announcement to make. I have here with me today. My incredibly sexy vibrant creative bat. Ask for an errand headquartered Aaron. Join me on the show in episode twelve annual loved her so much so. I asked her join me as a CO host for the next couple of months so that you can get to know her even better. Aaron is the founder of deans for humanity and creator of cards for connection and I am especially a huge fan of her intimacy. Dag which is of course all about sex. Welcome Aaron. What's your story today. Oh Hi Sarah. Thank you so much for having me on my story today is. I am feeling springtime in the air. I woke up today just kind of having that extra little spark of energy and despite this whole quarantine situation I am really wanting to connect with people and I'm excited to have a lot of digital dates this week. You have a lot of digital dates this week. Tell me I do So I am a facilitator and often show up for friends or communities to help facilitate deeper more meaningful connection and conversation so this whole Corey team thing is actually been really great for me to help people really tack in with each other and have these more deep meaningful conversations. So even just this week. I have three events coming up in a game tonight. We're GONNA play the SEXY CARDS FOR CONNECTION. Games on Friday nights in a private groups and add a training going on on Saturday to help people step more powerfully into their lives and really live on purpose. So I'm feeling where they're also love it. Are you doing any like other type of gaining right now? You know I'm really open to dating. I kind of took a break for a little while to really focus on my own self care and interestingly I had declared for myself that this spring was the season for me to be out there and go on lots of dates explore in the world. And then this whole quarantine thing happened so I have not had any one on one dates recently. Although I've had lots of you know flirting and connection in in small groups by would really love to explore digital dating and what that might be like. Yeah it's definitely what is happening right now and the the dating world you know really really I guess. Kind of the idea of courtship is now back into the mainstream because we don't really have any other choice but to get to know each other before we get out there in an meet up so I think it's going to be interesting to see what type of relationships actually come out of this. This time of lockdown about. We're all in you know. I mean there's endings beginnings and there's opportunities and everything and Wild really really tough time for a lot of people I there. There are always going to be opportunities. for those look for it and you know. I think this is one one space. Where for those people out that are healthy? You know that are actually dealing with having the virus right now. This is an area where they can look and find opportunity for a different type of interaction in the dating world. And just Kinda See I. I do think that it's going to to change us. You know long term. I think it's definitely going to to make an impact on how we date for the long term because It doesn't look like things are just going to go back to normal. Probably never you know like It's like after September eleventh. When you know we we came eventually came into a new normal but things never went back to how they were before. And that's what we're looking at with this cove nineteen pandemic that has hit. You know we don't know exactly what things are going to look like after and we will make it amazing as as we always do but the ads can be different for sure. Yeah absolutely I just really appreciate your acknowledging the part that's difficult and also focusing on the positive things that can come out of this. I know for me. That communication having healthy communication I'd say that my brain is probably like my biggest erogenous zone and so I think that being able to have those conversations to be really clear like really clear with people you know right now is just comparing it to going out in the world with all my housemates. It's like we're in relationship in. It's really similar negotiating. That relationship is it is Like sexual partners like will. Who were you seeing? What kind of protection using? It's like making those kinds of conversations conversations. I'm having with other people that I'm close to and I definitely have a sense that clear. Communication personal responsibility will be a long-term benefit from this whole situation. Yeah I think so too you know. And it's like in a way similar to of how when an aids hit so hard and the eighties and it really changed how how people interacted sexually you know as far as using protection and being more conscious around that When it comes to sexuality and so our our interactions with each other will definitely change at the end of the day. We are human and we crave recreate intimacy. We crave connection and we will always find ways to to come back to that again no matter what in you know. We'll just see how it all all in Zagreb together at the end really curious to keep that conversation going so definitely. Let's check back about bat that Sarah I would really love to know more about your thoughts on orgasms. So is kind of funny to like actually talk about the topic of orgasms right because it's like people know what an orgasm is like you know most people have had an orgasm I can say like as far as men go. Probably every man is at an orgasm and a lot of women have experienced them in. So it's you know to actually what what is an orgasm? What makes up an orgasm lake? How do we know that in orgasm has happened when it happens? Is it just because we're just like Oh happened? Or is there like actual components to an orgasm and I would like to make the argument that there are actual three different components to what makes up an orgasm and those components are pleasure the sensation of pleasure inside of your body. And then there's a movement of the pleasure and then there is a a shift a mind shift that occurs that mind shift often feels like surrender but I can feel like seeing yourself in the new light it can be. I am this. I am complete. I am whole I am. I am like it's this. Is this thing. That's almost bigger than us that that occurs and so in society orgasm has typically just been based on the model of turn on and then the Energy moves up into a climax. And then he comes crashing down and that's pretty much What an orgasm has been described as and so there are a lot of women who are like well bats now. My Orgasm has like them. You know I'm not having an orgasm but this also really this narrative also really impacts men because men have been put into his male orgasm barks and toll they. This is all that you have available to you as a man when it comes to orgasm and is really pretty shitty because they're orgasms are often not much more than a crotch knees and like it's true and I know it's true because I work with men and they do taunt practices. They tell me they're like my orientation before was nothing worse. Trust me yeah so like being able to to realize that there. There's a lot of different ways that you can have orgasm. is going to first of all. Just open your your eyes to the possibilities Ending night within you this desire like. Oh my God I want that. And then you're able to start taking the steps to actually have. This happened in your own body in in your partners and that way you can. You know both have these amazing experiences. So it's it's pleasure expansion. His surrender anything with with orgasms that we see in both men and women. Is that if you think too much about it. Then it's GonNa shut down women in particular the more they think about Obama. God I'm GonNa need to calm than the less likely it is to happen. They can just shut down and men. They're thinking over thinking then. They often jocularly too quickly. I'm don't have you know a lot of pleasure from that. Or they lose their erection and you know are not able to heart again or even. Sometimes they'll keep going for a long period of time and still not in may not be able to orgasm so our mind is such an important part of our turn on in the thing with Orioles image like set the intention rightly. Whenever we're we're we're getting turned on and we're starting to Saul pleasure or how sex someone else we have the intention going into it of of having orgasm rate but then like once you're there in space just drop away from not intention and just be able to be in the moment like moment to moment being present with the pleasure does in your body in just being there in the experience of it. All and so from their orgasm can happen. Ray like the intensification the build up. That's where it can happen without it. Having to be something that you're trying to force right but but if you're just really in the moment with it then the surrender you're gonNA be a lot more relaxed not trying to force something to happen. So yeah any thoughts on data from your perspective. Aaron absolutely absolutely am. I love that. I love the ear describing this in a new way for a lot of our listeners. I know for myself. That my orgasms. They tend to have a really long slow build up and that for me. It tends to be in in waves. Ten of 'em we like moving up almost like towards a climax within like Resting ebbing a little bit and then moving up again and ebbing in. It's it's like having waves of pleasure and if if I if I measured my orgasms by the traditional the traditional view of them it would look like. I'm not having an orgasm right. But that I mean the amount of pleasure that I am experiencing the movement and that that shift in my mind like you talked about the all of that is totally totally present for me. Yeah and a lot of people say that and men are really like blown away when I let them know if this is possible for them to like they usually have no idea that they're able to have anything other than the typical orgasm that they've been having since they started having wet dreams and masturbating. You know as early as eight or nine years old even in so they have really become addicted to a certain pattern of of climax and they can absolutely break free from those patterns and train their bodies in new ways so men and women both in have valley orgasms and this is more like we're the pleasure rises and falls and rises and falls and rises and falls and so it's not like it just goes up and then crashes but it keeps going and then there's Oshii Anik orgasms where it's like this this pulsating it's like really deep and powerful pulsating in your body and and it's so you know pleasure can move in a lot of different ways when I work with guys. We do Practices where they learned to move their sexual energy through the different energy centers in their body. So in their premium in their penis in their solar plexus in their heart in her throat in their brain the top of their head like really developing these these energy centers and bringing their sexual energy into all these different parts in. You can actually orgasm in all the different areas in loop energy also seeking bring the sexual energy from your Pena's bringing it up through your spine to the top of your head back down the front of your body and into your penis again and then continue looping that sexual energy you can have orgasms circuits. That can continue looping over and over like that in kyw's starts you experiences. They're just like Oh my God like they had no idea that this was even possible. Right in many men have a very difficult time surrendering and they actually fuel like. It's not okay. As a man for them to surrender during sex or surrender at any time an without that mind shift you know to occur and even when it does occur with their jocular story orgasms like they often don't really allow themselves to fully experience. The what is possible there You know shut it down. Go back to their phone or Fall Asleep or something like that right to kind of avoid the surrender. That is possible in that moment but what I love. Hearing from guys in my man on fire program is said. Hey are finally surrendering during sex for the first time and actually won the guys on the call last night was asking me questions like what is it. Considered not masculine for a guy to surrender. And so we talked about that. Because we you want and sex is there needs to be polarity between you and your partner and so if there's if there's not polarity in an polarity there is equality right. Its flake There's there's there's a balance between it and so if one person is fully in surrender and the other person is just not not in the same flow. Then it's GonNa feel like something is off right. There is an imbalance so but that's not to say that like you can't like go back and forth with it right and as you develop yourself and become advanced lovers with you and your partner. You can learn how to intern. That space of surrender and flow together in God's whereas really incredible where everything is just instinct and it's it's just like a complete flow state. That is you're not even thinking about like. Oh is this is not okay that I'm surrendering right now. You know like it just feels so amazing for both both people Sarah This is giving me so excited over here. Just all this talk about the different kinds of orgasms. Why didn't he like like imagining like men and women all over the world discovering the depths of their own pleasure? That is such a turn on. Can you imagine all more amazing the world would be if we were surrendered to our own closure in thoughts? The great news to he said surrender to your own. Pleasure is this is something that you can create for yourself right. You're not reliant on your partner or having a partner to create this for you lay a lot of the guys and my programs are not in relationship right now and they're using the time to develop themselves so that way when they are in relationship they're like ready to fully step into that you know plenty of guys are in relationship as well so if it's for for everybody if you're dating if you're in relationship not in relationship But the core of it is that you can create this for yourself. And your pleasure is not reliant on somebody else. I think this is such an important quaint. Not just in our sexual expression and in sexual relationships but to just an all of our relationships really stepping up and taking responsibility for our own joy in life and taking responsibility for creating that as a practice for ourselves it's amazing like in my own life the impact that that has had a attract the things that I want much more easily. When I'm making sure to take great care of my body to take good care of my mindset to feed myself nourishing things and to really invest in in play and in pleasure. It has me be like magnetic like charismatic. It's like when doing that for myself and then I doesn't feel like I don't feel beholden to anyone else like no it's like it's like when we expect someone else to be responsible for our happiness or sexual pleasure it. We're giving away our power back. Yes you're on me turned on was something. Maybe this is a good time for you to share Some some amazing orgasm experiences that that you had storytime with Sarah. Honey Hey. I don't think I've shared the story on on the story yet. So one amazing in instance that I had that was definitely a very profound experience Of Orientation in this way was I was with a guy super super sexy guy that I had a lot of fun with From Switzerland and we ended up like travelling in it was just really a fun magical experience with him. But when we first had sex it was very powerful. He also practices a lot of contra as really developed as in himself and when he and I had sex I ended up having this or Gaza and that lasted about ten days and it was just like these Russia's up my spine continually over and over throughout the day and then the the sensation of full-body Orgasm on top of that would just kind of come on and sporadically. Like you would just out of the blue like fuel like having a full body orgasm and for him his experience with it. He said that he felt like he had lava inside of him. It was just like almost like this burning purifying lava that was like bubbling up inside of him constantly for him lasted days. As well I do know is pretty pretty amazing to have that experience and Our connection was so powerful that even though we we weren't able to see each other anymore because like he he was traveling he couldn't stay in the US anymore because of visa issues and so he continued on his journey and we would connect of virtually from time to time like every two or three months or so in the same thing would happen like we would just even the virtual connection and so like when you start to develop yourself in the energetics of sex. I'm really like learn and in expand your sexual energy. Even you'll notice like you don't have to actually have physical turn on physical stimulation of your body like you can be an energetic thing. I've had plenty of orgasms where there's been no touch at all in just using the energy and my body to have full body orgasms and so men can absolutely says and so especially you know guys if you really just feel beatdown own and like there's no hope for you you know. Maybe it's erectile dysfunction and you're just like I'm never going to have an erection again or never going to have an orgasm again you can start to explore the energetics of sex and other ways to have orgasms in insist. That's that's another possibility for you. Women that have never been able to have an orgasm before maybe and they experienced sexual abuse and so they shut themselves down and by being touched by somebody. It's too traumatic for you to have an orgasm in that way you can explore energy orgasms so that way you can still have that experience even without touch while you were on healing that trauma. That's there so energy. Orgasms are such an amazing possibility for hundreds of thousands of people. To explore in those that are dealing with things like that In addition to just everyone that's like I want. I want that legacy. I want that. She's talking about because that sounds a frequent amazing Sarah. I Love Energy Orgasms and I also love how I can have orgasms from things that are not necessarily a sexual just like it's like sensation in pleasure brings so much into my body and doesn't feeling really grateful right now that you're helping people discover this for themselves. It's thank you so much for your devotion to bringing us all into more pleasure. It's literally like I was thinking the other day on like you know if I die if it was Coordinated Teen Yeah Ravages Body a die AM I. Am I satisfied with the legacy that I have left knows like I am so fucking proud of everything that I'm I've done and do I want you know another sixty years to like? Go out there and impact you know just dominy more lives absolutely but at the same time like I have no regrets like I've had amazing sex sexual experiences but people would fucking die to have like I've had so many of them and help to so many people are like all right. I could go in peace if it was my time. I'm glad that you're here in sharing these experiences with us. Sarah rose I know that for some people just even hearing that these kinds of orgasms or experiences or even possible. It might be the first time for them. Yeah will end if you think about how the brain works like our our lives are controlled by our primal brain so it controls about ninety five percent of our life and then I'm round the primal brain. Have the court urged the LIMBIC SYSTEM. Which is our emotions and then the CORTEX is our thoughts and our stories and critical thinking all of that but the primal brain only cares about survival and so so many of us have gotten messages. That sex can be dangerous rate. The our pleasure is some how dangerous rate in men in this society that has really like gone after male sexuality because of those have been in Front page of the papers and everything that have user sexuality in ways have been harmful towards women that a lot of men have shut down their sexuality and said it's it's not okay for me to be sexual as a man in this is something now women have gone through for the last ten thousand years. It's not okay as a woman has not been okay as a woman to be sexual because it has not been safe. I'm she's known in her body like it. It's not safe. I will not be accepted by society. If I'm sexual and now as a women have shut down their sexuality and now men are doing the same thing because of things like the metoo movement which absolutely meet. You has been a very needed thing to happen in society but there is a shadow site to and which men that are not predators are not doing. These things are a really shutting down and so the prime will brain only cares about survival. And so you know it's thinking while. I'm I'm not going to be accepted by society if I'm sexual I am in going to be accepted by society. I'm not going to survive. So you see a lot of men really shutting that. Stop part of themselves down in the LIMBIC system comes in and informs emotions around that and then the CORTEX puts some sort of story around it as well and so we have a lot of really strong negative imprinting about the experience of pleasure in it. Can it's really impacting people's ability to to how pleasure to have orgasms Alvarado. And so it's it's really important to understand this and you know to to notice if this is happening in yourself and to know that there are weeds to work through this and the mound fire program. We do a lot of Practices with with breath breath work to help shutdown the CORTEX and the LIMBIC system. Get DOWN INTO THE PRIMAL BRAIN. So that way we can actually change the patterns. That are there in help. Guys get to a point of surrender and feeling really confident around their sexuality again. Feeling really empowered in their sexuality. Because it's like guys come to me and they're like if something's wrong with my Dick you know in one form or another and not do. My doctor says it's all in my head and it's like hey so we need to go in and actually release the trauma. That's their release the negative conditioning and create new pathways. To to pleasure. No and so. That's you know a big put. It's a process to go through it but it's an amazing process. Was Such beautiful results at the at the end of like just being able to actually live a wave where you're fully able to experience pleasure. Sarah it sounds like it's just sounds like you're offering this amazing opportunity for some people who maybe have like really given up on this area of their lives and the thing that I love about this is that it sounds like it's not just the practice but it sounds like it's like science is towns like understanding exactly like how the brain works. I think that's really really beautiful and curious like for you as someone who who was helping people uncover this part of ourselves. Do you have like like one? Main suggestion or practice that they could do at home right now to help. Increase their pleasure. Yeah I'm so. Breath is going to be your number one tool when it comes to your your pleasure. And so I- launch times. I mean there are different breath Techniques Style cheesecake is that one of the main ones is open mouth inhale and exhale and like really deep belly breathing with in that. D- belly breathing is going to help you feel calm. It's going to help. You feel surrendered. Help you enter into flow states. Most the time when I'm having sex I just automatically default to that type of breath. Jazz open mouth. Inhale and exhale really deep into my belly. So women can absolutely do that as well. I'm in like noticing how your pelvis stays open stays relaxed and most of us have a tendency to tense up those muscles and really contract. They're like we're trying to squeeze out an orgasm you know and so I would. That does is. It tightens up the the abdomen and solar plexus in doesn't allow the flow of energy through to the rest of the body and you're like wanting to half full body orgasms. Then you need to have that area relaxed. The energy can can flow. Said that would definitely be a place to start with. All of this awesome Sarah. I started doing that kind of breathing while you were talking. And I noticed that my hips started just moving in time yeah automatically. Yeah I like allowing yourself to like to move letting your body to just follow it. Impulses of movement of sound like easing your sound. In a in a wage to open up your body until leash those sensations and just focusing on your pleasure and using those four components of breath sound movement pleasure till I really amplify the type of sex that you're able to have so yummy yum. Sarah WanNa know more so. I think it's time Sarah to ask the professor. We've had some really great questions. Come in this week. And a couple of them are right in alignment with this topic. Okay yes is there at Tom asks if he should take his wife's word for it when she says that she's had three orgasms. Okay that's great question time. Thank you for writing in appreciate that I am. Anyone else wants to submit questions you can do so at hello at hundred activation dot com. So I can answer questions for you here on the show. So should you take your wife's word for it? Here's the thing I would suggest. The first of all men stop hounding their partners to know how many orgasms had a really have noticed? The guy's a lot of guys do this. They're like US woman. Did you come? How many times did you come to John Orgasm? How many orgasms did you have? And they're like really so focused in so intent on knowing how many orgasms as you have and so then women have to start thinking going back and like okay. Well I had three or eight liquor you happy. I three Oregon it. Just give you a fucking number. It's just like an LE justice. Shut you up and make you happy because for women. It's like yeah you definitely want to be with a guy that can give you at least three orgasms and if you're not giving released three then you're really not doing a very good job in so you gotta know how to be able to do that. But women don't WanNa have to think about it. They just want it to be able to happen and not have to sit there and think like art okay. Yeah I'm I'm I'm counting my orgasms. So I can give him a number at the end and make him happy leg. Just let her be in the overall experience of it. I mean the best. Hex I've had I just am out of my mind like I am not focused on how many orgasms. I'm not even focused on. If I'm having an orioles unlike sex is just happening and it's fucking incredible so and on top of that most women are GonNa lie you. They're going to make. I'm not saying your wife specifically. Tom was lying. But I am. Letting you know all men than most women will lie to you when it comes to sex. They're going to want to make you feel better about yourself. They realize how fragile the male ego is when it comes to sex and they don't want to deal with the aftermath of you know actually telling you the truth about what's going on. It's much easier to be like I had three orgasms. It was great. Sometimes it is great. I'm not saying that this is one hundred percent of the time that every single woman is lying. Every single woman is miserable in bed but a lot of time. That is what is happening. So there's just some insight for you into the female mind in how we kinda look at things when we're having sex. Sarah is there. Maybe something that Tom or other listeners. Like a different question or a different focus that they could be with their partner after sex. Yeah absolutely so recapping after sack is a great way to connect even more deeply in intimacy so rather it is rolling over and go to sleep or looking at your phone or hopping up to do whatever it is that you need to do actually taking some time while you're in the space of intimacy to connect even more deeply is a great thing to do so you can you can ask her You know how are you feeling right now and you can. You can ask her like is there? Are there things that you would like for me to be doing different or in a different way and in Lake really being open and vulnerable to her response like she'll be able to tell if you're coming out this Ron please of meeting to satisfy your ego or if you're coming out at from like really truly wanting to serve her and her pleasure? I so you're just taking some time. Look her in the eye and be really present with her around that. How are you feeling? What are you know what emotions are coming up for you right now with a lot of women and men too but many emotions can come up during sex? And you want to make sure that You know acknowledging in being in that space with her Is so awesome. Sarah thank you so much for for sharing solutions for men For after after CARE FOR ARC sexual experiences. I do have another question. Let's see here. Kelly wrote in and she asks if men can have multiple orgasms. Or that's just a mess Yeah men can definitely have multiple orgasms so the thing with jocular Tori orgasms. Is You know after the age of twenty five it becomes more difficult for men to have multiple orgasms and that way. So if they're ejaculate eating and also the the ejaculation feeling regeneration many guys feel depleted from that and they may not want to evacuate again. So when you guys learned the techniques of being able to have orgasm without ejaculation. Then they're able to absolutely have as many orgasms as they want a just like a woman would and then when they're they do feel ready to ejaculate or educating at that point and really having the choice over that rather than having to jocularly in order to have an orgasm so yes absolutely guys man on fire program are reporting every week about having their first non Jacqueline Tori orgasms. So it's really exciting to see the progress that they're making and you know the Just having this this proof that it isn't just a myth. This is definitely something that guys can have if if they desire to imagine. This is really wonderful news for a lot of our listeners. Out there right I mean I love multiple orgasms and all of our men to have them to absolutely speaking of sexiness. I think it would be really fine to get started with our favorite game. Ab- intimacy deck letting US talk a little bit more about sex array awesome my favorite song. It son a cheat code song. Let's talk about sex. I know that you have been out in a live event. Were that I tie and I played that Song I swear. Play every live event but they have is well. It's so appropriate. I mean kind of like your theme song. The music video for that is so hilarious and fucking love it. I've watched a thing probably like I dunno hundred times so `nineties fabulous like I'm so happy to play with new and really honored that you have been playing this game in your podcast episodes. I'm so excited. I want our listeners at home to be able to play too so it we will right. I decided to do something really special and celebration of joining you as a co host on this show now. I am gifting to all of our listeners. The digital version of the intimacy deck. We can Connect- perhaps on dates with their partner. You could play it alone. Fad to help have more conscious. Communication and exploration around love relationships and sexuality is amazing. Only God thank you so much. It is my pleasure truly imagining all of our listeners. Having this pleasure in their in their relationships with themselves so we'll put in the show notes the direct link to the intimacy and the coupon code. So that you can just download that full deck totally for free. God that is so amazing. Thank you my pleasure. My pleasure any. No it's even more my pleasure right now I would love to play Just over a bet with you all right. Do you want to pick a card from your or shall I open my doc and Picard? Go for it I want you to do it. I feel like you're you'RE DHEC. Has the magic car box. So we got and. I'm running my hair wool dad to KANU ONE X my finger. Let's ooh WHO's one for today? A sexual fantasy of mine in LANC Sexual Fantasy of mine guy. He no I recently saw this seeing where these people actually got caught having sex. It GOES AT SUNRISE ON LAKE. Top of one the Pyramids and it looked so beautiful and so incredible. And so. That's definitely a sexual fantasy of mine right now. I have so many though so any uniform. Do you have another one? That's right on top right now so one of my long time fantasies has been to go to Mount Kailash. And it's like a very sacred place that I have been to you and I really I I would love to go there at some point and yet I and be with you know I don't know be with a tantric lover even on my own but experiencing contra there for a Tanti Goes. It is considered the the most sacred place and it's definitely like fantasy of like super high vibration and love it. Sarah rose have to have you send me that the name of that location because I might have to put on my list also and tell me tell me yours you know it may be the quarantine a but I am like having these fantasies about Being sexual but like in public places like like this feeling this desire to like almost get caught but wait. Get Away with it. I've had experiences like this before but that just That tends to be my mind is going lately like imagining nearly being being like like a nature space All along a hiking trail like could could get caught and any moment of like the excitement. And the anticipation has me all tinguely. Have you seen the sex in his city episode? Where Miranda's dating the guy that's an exhibition est in like he will only have sex in places where they can get caught. It's the great one watch and I think sex in the cities on some sort of streaming thing. That might be like a fun fun homework assignment for me. It's on Amazon prime perfect. I've watched it way too many times research right. It's a to count this as work our way. You got a great job. Sarah's shirt you absolutely do we WANNA do. Do you WANNA share more sexual fantasies or should we pick another card What do you feel? I mean I'm petting the deck right now. I'm like stroking because okay so I turn on Li literally actually temperature wise like beating up in my body cut just loved being with someone who loves like play and sensuality. Like I do fine. I found Y ou ou. Is this a fine wine? Like the red card. Listen is my body feels ready for sex when Lank God. I mean definitely like to have a web pussy gotta really feel guys energy that I'm in sync with it. That like a really really wanting him and is when sex is good. I've definitely had sex before when it's like our I'll try it for some reason or another. I like have convinced myself that like maybe this guy I should like. Try this out with and see where it goes you know like and and every time like why the hell did I do that? I think it finally like learn not lesson and don't do that anymore You know there's like there's sometimes it'd be like well. There's so many other great things going on here like. I should just give it a try right and see what happens and inevitably like now now now but yeah for me. It's just like when really like feeling his energy and like that we're seeing and it's just like flowing in its hotton. Mike dods win dodds when I know I ready whereas Oh my God like I would give anything to hobby right now Oh yes yeah I would say it's really similar for me for me also like in the sensation of my body like. I know that there's I know there's a process with me right like I really. Love like teasing and Like anticipation like like all day. Just like Anticipating being with my lover and My Body when I'm like rick totally ready totally ready. It's almost like Mijoni turns into a magnet. It feels it feels really like really magnetic like almost like a like a tractor beam or something is is like calling. Call a forward. My lovers come closer to me and I know that like I feel relaxed and similar to like what you're talking about either the husband times when I've said Yes to sexual play when it wasn't like a hell yes more like a maybe and I just don't do that anymore. I really I've shifted. There's like a part of me. That was like kind of a people pleasing and so like just wanting to wanting to please my partner but not in the way that was really honoring my own personal experience really believe in the pleasure of giving and really wanting myself to be in that space like when I am giving. I know my body feels ready for sex when I am an electromagnetic hosting goddess. Yes God I totally feel that Who is just like I just want you? So fogging bad literally lay is feel your pussy shoes see and why and just pulsating and just like e. Asia's there so they're the connection in the flow and like you. I mean I've definitely been. I think you've got one guy right now where We had such great chemistry and we would go out and we'd have dinner and like we would go dancing and we had so much fun dancing and then afterwards like just knowing that was going to get to go back and like have such great sex with somebody that as such great chemistry with it was just so much fun. And it's like that's that's what life is right like having that pleasure like being able to experience pleasure in so many of us shut that down and it's really really sad because lake those are some of the the best parts of wife when you're at the end of your life looking back. I know for me. I'm going to be thinking about these amazing fucking experiences that I had and I'm going to be so grateful for every single one of them Well that her story and she's sticking to it absolutely. Hey it's Saragan. Thanks for listening. Make sure you check out the links and the show notes for everything. We discussed in this episode. And if you WANNA learn about how you can work with me and Jill next damn lovers.

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Put on Some Weight for Better Sleep and Less Stress Baloo Living with Dave Asprey : 759

"Radio station high performance. You're listening to bulletproof radio with dave asprey today. We're going to talk about sleep and we're talking about stress and it's probably not what you think because today's guests is someone who didn't know that she would start out looking at either one of those things after fifteen years of grinding outs in politics publishing and finance and all this stuff. Elizabeth grosjean detected that. She was really not that happy about things so she did. What any thoughtful entrepreneur type minded person do ran away to bali and there. She spent time getting in touch with stress. If this sounds familiar guys. I kinda did the same thing after. I got me mba. I went off to nepal and tibet. Because a certain point. Like i've done. But she went into meditation and yoga and healing and figured out what was going on and said all right. How do i do something right. And someone who's gonna improve sleep. And she came out with the first and only non toxic weighted blanket Which is what we're gonna talk about today. Which is about stress and sleep and the path of becoming an entrepreneur. And a lot of things that you can use for your own knowledge around sleep and yes before we get going. I actually asleep underneath a blue blanket every night because you can measure that it works. Which is something i like. And that's a bar for anyone to come on to the show like this elizabeth. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much dave for having me. I'm really excited to the air. I'm planning to pick your your brain a little bit about your entrepreneurial side of things. But really i want to know what you know about. Weighted blankets and sleep Let's get started with. And then i want you to tell me how you How you got into hege into this. But but i meet for listeners saying alright weighted blankets. What so what's his jumper then waded blankets. People haven't heard of them. 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Spend over ninety dollars but through a special offer for you because you listenable radio you get a complete kit for fifty nine ninety seven for two months supply you save over forty dollars and even give you a free deodorant which is not for your mouth visit. Dave's dental kit dot com. That's dave's dental get dot com and you can save on a two month supply. Yes so a weighted blanket is quite literally a blanket. Way to provide an extra feeling of pressure to your body while you're sleeping so you'll see them in the market anywhere from ten to thirty pounds. They're usually quilted. There's some kind of filling inside and you use it at night while you're sleeping and people rave about them Going to sleep faster. They make sleeping deeper getting higher quality. Sleep more easy and that's it in a nutshell i. I heard about weighted blankets eight years ago from the autism community. And i went and i looked kinda long and hard and i found some websites where someone was making them some sort of weird plastic field. I don't actually know what's in there before that people would make them with metal plates in them like little metal disks. And i did buy one and i thought you know this is kind of useful. But it's it's very lumpy. I noticed some differences in sleep. But it wasn't really wasn't the way i felt like i wonder sleep so i did it for a few months. Said there is a difference. But i don't like it and then Knowing what it did to comparable. I said hey anna. My daughter must've been. Jeez i don't know seven or something Do you wanna try this. And she tribes daddy. I really liked that. So then what i found. Is the kids my son to would steal the weighted blanket at because they were feeling something. Even though i don't really know what's in there and there's plastic pellets or whatever And that was what got me interested. And i thought well. I'm probably not going to do this. Because i don't want hung some metal and i don't want whatever i don't even know what's in there as when you came out in two thousand eighteen hundred. Have these nontoxic things will make. I'm really interested so roots and autism for sure but i don't have autism or aspirin at least not anymore. My kids don't have it but it still changes sleep. What changes in sleep do people see from weighted blankets and changes in sleep that people see our it becomes faster and easier to go to sleep so oftentimes if you put this on. There's there's a very subtle but certain physical physiological response to happen so the body in neatly starts to just relax and let go and so there's something happening in there with the fight or flight reflex that trigger on that so often we're really holding onto in its active all day long. The pressure on the body is letting you know that it's safe to relax. Fight or flight response So it's his thirty overwhelming yet. Donald gentle response. That happens and people won't report that a slip into sleep and says effortless slipping into sleep very very quickly So there's that aspect of it however we also get feedback from customers at used to up to three four five times a night to go to the bathroom or they just toss intern there now. Sleeping solid through the night without waking up all so your sleep sleeping more deeply through the night. why so it's faster faster going to sleep and deeper sleep and hyder policy. The way i look at it is that there's all these different systems with different goals in the body and the emergent behavior at the end of the day is okay. Our our body works. But there's micro movements that happen all the time that we're not even aware of and they take energy but it's it systems within the body unconscious systems that are so saying what can i do. What should i do. What can get away with and eventually we noticed something. Maybe but i think that it's it's a similar effect to a squirming puppy and anyone who's listening is ever held a puppy like really young puppy. You pick it up and it's just like a ball of wiggles and then you just hold it. And after maybe a mini hold it from its goes and it just melts in you can rub its tummy in. It's tongue hang out and it's like in this altered state kind of and. I think that we're doing that to these subtle movements systems in the body that are making us toss and turn no used it but the body's always doing an energy equation. It's like hey you know what i would have to expend a lot of energy and move. Now it's not worth moving now. Therefore i'll shut down this system in the way that it should be shut down anyway and so you're getting sort of a cleaner. I'm asleep perspective on it and i've i now every night at least when i'm not traveling which is always thank you and democ response In that case. I i always sleep under the blue and i. I really noticed that same thing. It's faster go to sleep now. It takes two minutes not three minutes. I don't have a problem graciously but used you put on it. Use kind of and you slow down. Have you done any studies on in a deep sleep percentages versus ram. Or anything like that actually now. We haven't been studies the blanket. I loved you talking to dr at usc about doing it. Biometric feedback devices. But we haven't gotten there interesting. There might be something. We could do with upgrade labs or forty years or something. I just thought of that because we have all kinds of interesting gear for that. But i'm even with just oral ring. I think you could probably pull together something. Oh great storytelling. Yeah i have some ideas for you. Maybe i did the sleep challenge. Recently we had people over a couple of team sleep. I bet that we get some people from the challenge to To get a blanket and report their scores with him without. Because what what. I sleep onset. I know you guys have that hacked and i feel like my deep sleep is deeper but haven't done like statistical analysis and i'm just one guinea pig so in how would we really know for anyone listening. You know that. I care about. Roi out which is not based on how much you spend. How much energy do something take a right. And how much do you get back. And how much does it take to do. And if you can swap something out to make a one time behavior change So you don't have to everyday remind yourself. Doing squats everyday is high energy. Because you have to remember to do it every day and it's a pain right but you'll still do it because it's worth it but if you could change shoes and the new pair of shoes automatically did squats for you you would change the shoes and everything about squats again and i feel like with weighted blankets. You change the blanket and you don't have to think about anymore and you just get added sleep benefit so to me. It's a very high. Roi perspective Talk to you about toxins and weighted blankets. So you're nontoxic and i know there's all kinds of garbage and betting that i'm i'm concerned about what is present in a lot of blankets and a lot of weight blankets that you don't have in your blanket. Well when we first launched. When i looked around the landscape down at what was being offered to people something that i thought was a very beautiful in personal experience. And you know. Obviously you're taking this in bed with you like any betting you're spending hours in bed touching it. I saw a lot of synthetic materials. They're calling it niki now. So it's it's just polyester type fabrics and the predominant minke minke. I think the chinese factories made up as word minke at. It's now in new sort of in the american vernacular blankets and then the most common fill that i saw at the time was these plastic poly pellets. And so the idea of doing something good for yourself by using a bag of plastic also negative to me in terms of the environmental aspect of that energetically just didn't like the idea of that at all so we launched by using a pure cotton which is certified by oakland tech standard which means it's been lapped tested a post production to be free from east to be the one hundred but now it's over three hundred of the most commonly found chemicals and toxins that are used in textile production and reason glassmaker beans and always have and in my experience. They're better field. They're very fine. And they contour the body the more significant more intimate way and the plastic poly pellets. Ever did so. It's a better experience for the customer as well. There's something else that i noticed. 'cause i tried the plastic poly pellet one glasses dense so what i am sleeping with with the blue. It looks like a blanket. And it's heavy but the other ones look like a puff sleeping bag because they have these big big channels with these big plastic pellets. So there's my bad looks like a bad a mostly like a bed. I am a bio hacker but So that was one thing but it. Also there's something about the blanket being the right thickness that mattered to me and glasses inert plastic pellets. Especially lots of them together. They build up a giant static charge and for listeners. You know about what's happening even with synthetics rubbing against your skin. You have micro kerns that run across your body. And i'm not convinced that it's a really good idea to be sleeping under synthetics and building up a big charge. That's why we practice earth thing and grounding ourselves and things like that so do i wanna sleep was an inert basically silica based glass Or i wanna sleep with plastic pellets. I think i know. And there's also plastic pellets. Melt not that my bed catches on fire that often but I still think that just is a good thing to to be a little bit more civilized about it Where you your glasses. It recycled it's not recycled. As far as i know. I know there's always something to do. We're just continuing to improve We have we have eliminated all of the plastic packaging. And we have other environmental initiatives that we were gone to be perfectly honest if i was to cut my blue blanket open and pour it in my garden and my garden by the way is an organic farm that feeds my community and also. It's not just a little hobby garden it would do nothing but does having a sand exactly. It's just sand And i've never seen any leaking out because they're micro beads but they're not. They're not super tiny lease. I've never had you know. They're they're larger than like their larger than sand slightly larger than sand. They're actually quite beautiful there. These round soft early deeds. He put it on a counter. It will roll. Never stop so you want them to stay in the blanket because they become a bit like glitter when they get out they stick on everything they stay in their place. Okay cool so. I've never seen a leak out. But what are the so. I'm i'm a believer and i have tried other weighted blankets. And it's one of those things where maybe you could do every step right and you get a better result and i think that's why i wanted to be on the show now. You also went to bali. And i was in tibet and i had people have heard me talk about longtime listeners. I'm on the side of mount. Kailash drinking act better not going wait. Why do i feel so good. Did you have like a message from above saying thou shalt make awaited blanket. How did that come about a few things. So one was definitely had profound moments of shifting and changing that. I felt in my body while i was in bali that came as a direct reaction from just being in this magical place so there was shot and then the second was all of these experiences have led me one foot in front of the other two knowing that i wanted to start a business searching for the right product in the market to getting his ample evacuated. Linka bringing it back from this factory to mind villa in bali in trying it for the first time and the experience of putting it on myself i will never forget it was. It was a spiritual experience. I mean it felt so good to me and it was a surprisingly good and i was already living this extremely relaxed existence in the jungle waking up with the sunset. Sunlight in nature sounds every day. I didn't really think it could get any better But it was this feeling of being relaxed down to like my toenails which and didn't expect and so that for me was was a really profound moment where it went from me sort of searching in the market for a product. I i would like to offer to people to having something that i want to share with the world that this is a beautiful experience. This is something that can help you. Reconnect mind and body in a really natural way support sleep support mental health. And help you have a better life because you can wake up in a better version of yourself. So so that's why. I say that the product is via goal for the message that i want to communicate the world because there's so many things happening just simple experience of using a weight of like it. Are you still in bali. How does that work are you under those. I live on the beach and run my company. people. I really would have loved to one of those people. I try to make it where i was there for a year and a half. We launched the product. I was living there And i've say until about six months in. I was living in bali but at a certain point when it starts to become a real business for me. 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Plex and the brand new elevate kava shots. I take the complex before bed every night. Because i find it makes a difference. Go to get true. Kava dot com and use code dave fifteen to save fifteen percent. That's get t. r. u. kava k. a. v. a. dot com. Use code dave fifteen to get your fifteen percent off. It can be a challenge to run a company remotely. I actually do live on an island. And i have for ten years now but it's an with an international airport in the same time zone and an hour from seattle our headquarters that so. That's a little bit different and bali With idyllic but i wouldn't want to be in those time zones so this is your first entrepreneurial. Effort wasn't it. Yes i've always done things. In the past. I was an airbnb host on the side. I would sell things on ebay on the side I worked for a venture backed startup as uses into the ceo. A couple of years. So i got a lot of appreciation insight into early stage. Is this building by being on her desk. But this is the first time i ever did anything on my own. And i i did not ever set out to become a ceo or watch business per se. This idea that. I loved that. I wanted to test it. It's gone step-by-step. Grow much faster than i ever expected. It's it's really interesting. A good number of countries. I'm trying to figure out exactly who it is I thought it was a founder of lou. But i don't think so. It was a co-founder But they spent time as executive assistants. four ceos of startups and just sort of watching how the game is played. So you had a pretty good a look under the covers to. I did there about how to do it. How many years in are you. Now that you're about two years two nephews end to starting okay. Do you like being an entrepreneur. I love it. God actually think it's the reason why struggled to imagine all of my jobs working for other people okay. Some people are meant to be entrepreneurs and some people try to do it because it's cool but they're not wired for it so you think you were wired for it anyway. I think i was not to be doing this. Yeah okay very cool Now what was it like when you first said okay. I'm going to do this. How did you find yourself. Yeah i there's a whole story there so Actually at that point. I had run out of money because i take it on my savings. In god's live in bali for as long as felt like. I needed to get my head right and i got my head right. I was in this amazing place. All this product is really excited about the brand the launch. What it can do for people. But i had no money. And i actually wasn't phased by that off okay. Will i just need a little bit to get started in. I know people that i can get funding from and my dad offered right away. I said no right away. Because i'm you know. Indeffinite child. I i wanna do it myself and definitely not accept help from my parents and grew up. We're very middle class Definitely didn't ever have a lot of extra money around. So i think it was a point of pride for me that i actually wanted to be able to bring something back to the family instead of take from his family and i had a session with the healer bali abso in from california eighty doing session. It involves a lot of circular breathing. Meditation and i don't really know the mechanics of it. But i know i had this experience of meeting my dad on another plane and we were communicating with each other. And i got this message of pure love for my father that he just wanted to give me and not the greatest gift i could give to. My dad would be to accept his offer and so came from that and long story short. I got alone for my dad. That's where started. But there was a lot of them if healing that went into accepting that money than him becoming part of this entrepreneurial journey and he also has business has been an entrepreneur for his most of his career so we relate to each other in this new that we didn't have before he's really excited to be part of the business in seeing it grow Face the of these investor updates. You'll get really excited. Santan five points. What happened this league or this month and he'd right back okay. Good for you. What is this internet thing. I don't understand but as long as you're happy. Wow so were there. Plant medicines involved in bali. It seems like they're usually are. Yeah know there are many many options Yeah i had a very wonderful experience there. It wasn't. It wasn't the first time i had. I i was. It was by far the most meaningful experience that i've had and so That was i think part of what felt like for me for the brand download you know. Was this this brand the brand name. Everything that a look and feel that Benin blue barrett blue is named after the jungle book. Character from richard kipling blue and i just always thought it was a beautiful name and had been saving it in my back pocket for me dog or a child. I don't know and you know what i needed. A business name. I just put it out and in trademark search it was available which i feel like that's the easiest naming story i've ever heard of When you're saving that was still available. That's cool so So all of these things kind of fell into a place where it never was new. Wording it i never was saying okay. What are as avatar. Let's come up with a brand at customers will connect with it was just a fluid expression of experience having that i wanted to share with you or anything a really big part of that was iowa's journey but also just the island of elliott itself. I don't know if you've spent time there are planning to. But someone shut down all the so i was in booth which is considered to be the spiritual heart of the island and the legend sort of tells you that. The habits of bali came from another island in indonesia which was under attack and so the royals of that island of their entire court in other artists and artisans with them and settled in bali. So everyone in. Bali has this heritage descended either from royalty artists or corson's so you don't really strong artistic and Regal culture and you have this fertile jungle with so much education in animals and birds a volcano and tons of prayer and meditation. That's going on there for centuries and i feel physically in my body when i'm in as they can just start to. He'll feel occurred. Usually a purge happens when i arrive in bali. You have something. That's out of alignment. I've been tolerating or been blind. You either relationship or or something like that that will within days come to a head and get resolved. I i've come to believe that certain places have more power than others. And and i've been to some of the most places on the planet on. I'm fortunate to have done that. But yeah it's hard to put words to it but you you feel different there and and there's a different energy there And and to an engineer like me. Admitting that i was. I was noticing that was a little bit of a little bit of soul-searching early on because i might all places are supposed to be the same And that that message in my head was like well. That's not how it is. That's how it's supposed to be so. I had a lot of that programming. That says that can't be therefore it isn't so i say well. It was random that i was feeling different. Every time i came to this place in equate. If it happens every time it's not random. Did you grow up with that kind of a spiritual perspective on things or did you stumble into that on your journey. no i was always very curious about psychology and spirituality and my mom is always has been as well. She's a social work background. Nashes a certified life coach in snow are bookshelf is filled with looking back on it. Self help books by is a kid. I was curious to pick them up and read them. And i was raising the piscopo church. I would go to church camp. And i'm not a religious person now but i think that growing up with a framework for religion and spirituality was also really informative for me And gave me a space to to ask questions about inspire that are yon literal world We can see touches. Ill makes sense here. Opened the experience in you had something profound happened with your dad. There that i think would be of benefit to to listens to go into a bit deeper. If you're okay with that love to talk about it. I look back on on my early entrepreneurial experiences and i can draw from that To draw parallels. And i had a real hard time accepting help right because i had this idea that time i would accept helping someone i would. Oh them and like. I don't wanna be in debt right so like i'll just do this all by myself in largely that the number of billion dollar early net opportunities that i missed because i was afraid to accept health. I kenny i. I can't even go into the numbers times and and i recognize now that was mayor limitation. In your mind though. You're sort of seeing money as a control thing right and you're saying i don't like i'm i'm not at home anymore. I don't neither control thing And then you realize wait. It's actually a helping thing. I want you to succeed thing and you did that. In an altered state did your altered. State their change your ability or willingness to accept help from other people as not for noor butcher box makes it easy to get high quality. 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My relationship to money is energy and my relationship to the world not even fixed inside around me as being something. That's fluid dynamics has shifted. And i think partly experience of accepting help from my dad and then having success with his trust you placed in me was a very big growth experience and i have since since that time. Benny will to accept in. Receive loans from friends which i've paid back and help from other people in a way now where i almost expect to help that. I need to come to me before. I know how it's gonna come. So i think it's less about trying to control life with this sense of. What is it that i was my analytical mind can understand your predict and worry about feeling into on a deeper level energies and being open and receptive to allow something to come in that. I couldn't have predicted at time. It's interesting because at least nichols or jack canfield or john. A lot of the leaders personal development who've come on the show have all mentioned that manifesting or making things happen but it. It's not a forced thing like you said it's like oh. Just oh yeah. It'll be there when i need it. Mindset that enrages some entrepreneurs how dare you do you feel nervous that sometime. Maybe it won't be there now. And i'll say that the reason i don't think that's an issue for me is because my motivation and business is not to achieve wealth or to Do something from my ego. i didn't try. I didn't want to become an entrepreneur because it looked cool. It just happened. Because i wanted to do this thing. That's what ha- tied. Usa is entrepreneur to get it done. If you want to buy something that doesn't exist what else are you gonna do like. Yeah you gotta make it and then offer to people in that. That's how you become an entrepreneur to it and so you know this question of sort of success or failure as eeo entrepreneur to me is an interesting question. Because how do you define success or failure. I mean i've missed a lot of opportunities in could have made a lot more money in my two and a half years in business. So far i tell you about things mistakes that made but i would say that any of them were failures per se because my metric is not necessarily only about. How do i make the most money. It's about how am i learning as i go. How many developing myself as a leader as a person as an entrepreneur and are we having fun. What percentage of your time every day or every week. Do you spend doing stuff that you hate as an entrepreneur. I mean never. I think if you more accurate answer there are things that i hate doing. But but in the background of that the context is that. There's nothing i would rather be doing. You know there's no one making me do it. I'm doing it because it's part of this framework of something that i'm building that i love that i care for and it's it's done for not being done to please somebody else okay. So you're willing to do this stuff that that you don't like Because it's worth it. Hidden what percentage of the time do you spend doing stuff is kind of neutral. I could do that. It doesn't it doesn't give me energy but it's okay the majority of the times you trough and what percent of the time you're doing things like he. S this gives me energy. This what i want to be doing. I'd say like ten percent of the time. Okay so only take. Your time is so ten percent is recharging. Eighty percent is. I could do that in. Ten percent is blah. I'd say that's about right all right. Does that make you sad they. He's been eighty percent of your time doing things that don't make you happy. I think that there is. I'm trying. I've been asking myself that same question trying to understand myself because there's something about stubborn satisfaction of getting things done and making progress to like. I love to work always worked hard. Some people don't love to work hard and they find other ways to exist. I have friends that never work. And they're great. They're always having fun. I've always worked tired. And i continue to work hard. I think it's something about the way that i'm programs and i actually have so much action even if it's not the most enlightening task stuff i love is like new product development or photo shoots or create creative concepts building Most of my time is spent though in the day to day running of the business. Because we're still pretty small team. But even though i would call it fine I really you'll have been doing it. That's good so you can have a sense of gratitude during those things that the questions i'm asking you are straight out of Dan sullivan's work. Dan's been on the show. He he runs a program. Called strategic coach. Met him through another guy's been on the show. Joe polish and. I did about a year of coaching with dan where he made me. Think about those things as an entrepreneur. Mike you know. I'm going to shift that needle so my goal. Is you know thirty percent stuff. It's okay seventy cents stuff that gives me energy And zero percent stuff that a hey nice. I need a listened to that episode. Yeah definitely dan sullivan. I don't know the number s. u. l. v. a. n. And his comes called strategic coaches probably on his on his website but The reason i was asking about. Because you're only two and a half years in and have also been an administrative or executive assistant On the administrative side where. You're like all about getting stuff done and it's really interesting to watch as entrepreneurs grow and Any volve To to realize we'll wait. I i like to work. But like i'm doing and i'm doing them doing versus like the strategy work. I mean do you. How do you have a product plan. Are there a bunch of new. Like sleep e- things coming out or like different weights of blankets or we have all kinds of new things coming. Yes and things that we didn't get to this year that are on the road map for next year. So okay you're still growing and evolving the product. What about different weights. I should ask you that earlier when we were going. Deep on deepened. Sleep but What's the ideal weight for a blanket. And yes so. There is a common rule of thumb which i think is a great metric. It's ten percent of your body weight so you weigh one fifty a fifteen pound blanket. That's really simple math I would say it's not a science like you can really way hundred or more or less instill us a fifteen pound blanket and feel great in such a difference of personal preference I will say that we get more returns on our heavier blankets so we have twelve fifteen twenty and twenty five pounds We get the most returns on twenty twenty five interesting. I just take a couple olympic plates. I put him on top of my blanket. August and then get people saying. Will you make a forty pound blanket please. And so you can't you can't please. Everyone yet. but couldn't they just take two twenty pound blankets and just buy another their one. Okay I what about kids. My kids Us i have the the twenty point blank. But i'm you know two hundred and whatever two hundred and ten pounds thereabouts on depending on the day of the week. So that's about ten percent for me but in my kids borrow it in their hundred pounds. Yeah problem if you if you think about it. A little further The size of the blankets and size to weight ratio. Also you have twenty pound blanket. But it's pretty large so their bodies not that big they're just gonna feel the weight of the part. That covers them. Okay i definitely am to the point. Now where i am ordering blankets for the kids because they really do come and steal mine. Yeah their cancer. so and so open especially lita blankets. Kids are really really benefit from them. And we're launching children's In december or january to work in progress. But what we wanted to come out with was obviously not white. Our line is white weighted blankets. Because i love the white serene bedroom look a kids not doing why. They just look like blankets. We're doing a vegetable. Dye colors for kids are coming out in a soft sandstone pink green and blue for kids. You're one of the the type of entrepreneurs type of person who just looks at all the details. And i'm i'm the same way where maybe people don't really care about how long it took a truck. The coffee bean when it was still incited cherry. But i did. Because i thought it mattered. So you optimize so you you're going okay. vegetable synthetic dye glass not plastic. And all these things but you also from day one that you're going to be carbon neutral and you had a different way of doing it. Can you tell me about how you go about being carbon-neutral So carbon neutral means that every action that we do as a company from producing our products to them to our operations or martine travel office expenses etcetera hasn't energy cost An amidst carbon into environment. And so. I wanted to at least do no harm when i was building. A business and creating a product shipping head has a lot of impact in the world and so we partnered with initially a company called carbon fund. Got work to invest in environmental projects primarily before station in education so projects that would sequester carbon from the air meaning produced a positive benefit to the carbon levels of the atmosphere But i've recently become in contact with a company. Called see trees are an organization that our nonprofit called see trees in california and this is actually a code word of scientists and servers is really cool. So what series is doing is focusing on blue ocean strategies so the ocean actually contains and captures ninety percent of the carbon in the carbon life armagh planet and they found that these projects are done at the edge of landon. C can have the biggest impact in terms of sequestering carbon so the products that were gusting in our named growth forest replanting in kelp forests and what other projects is in southern california in los angeles county. There's this kelp forest haji going on there. And there's anger for us replanting in island in indonesia where they've replanted two hundred and fifty thousand maker of trees to populate the forest so this is a project outwear involved in now so we support them by calculating all of the carbon that we produce by this thing as a company through manufacturing shipping et cetera and reinvested. Back into these projects they wipe out is our firm our carbon footprint so i was really inspiring to hear. Hear this organization's Because they're so strong. I think on stories howling Anything giving her active people that there are positive things that we can do to mitigate the actions out retaking humans by i love it that you're looking at every detail of what you can do in order to make a clean product. I think what you've done released. Dan's out it's relatively easy to take a bunch of shredded recycled plastic of questionable origin. And throw it in a synthetic blanket and and put it out there for really dirt cheap. But you can tell. You can't tell the blue blanket when you look at it. It just looks like a blanket but when you pick it up. What's going on here so it's it's a very different experience for me. I one that. I appreciate just knowing all the thought that goes into it Tell me about the science of the blue weighted blanket. What's it actually doing for sleep. the way. The weight of blankets work is through depression. Pressure touch. There's been multiple studies. That show at the pressure touch stimulate serotonin in the body which is a neurotransmitter involved. In the regulation of sleep that has a calming effect and serotonin directly related to melatonin. Which is the moment that triggers. Your body's sleep wake cycles reciprocating. Rhythm and is wet tells you that it's time to go to sleep so similar to being held hugs like when we're babies and being swelled nervous system calms down these neurotransmitters translators are generated and the body slips into deep sleep. And there's actually. A recent study was done an sweden specifically on weighted blankets and it was a smaller sample size. So it's more anecdotal versus scientific But they took a population of people struggling with insomnia depression and other mental health issues and the control group slept with an eighteen pound blanket. Their blanket was made of chainmail similar to the one you said you found eight years ago but in any case it doesn't eighteen pounds at least it wasn't plastic like most of those blankets. It wasn't plastic. The control group got three pound plastic winkett actually and in study forty two percent of the of the way to blanket participants or considered to be in remission from insomnia says only three point six percent from the control room and the blue blanket is made with glass which is way better than plastic and probably better than chainmail to at least i think so in many ways better than chain meal so they the the scientists said that the likelihood of having a fifty percent reduction of your sleep issues with nearly twenty six times greater in the wavelength group versus the control group. Will there you go. There's an argument for weighted blankets and an argument for having waited blankets made out of high quality clean materials because to sleep underneath drunk what about sleepers during the pandemic specifically people are sleeping alone. People are having cova dreams. they're all stressed. Have you seen any results from weighted blankets when we looked at the data actually done increase of forty-seven in searches on google related to insomnia and sleep. So people are definitely struggling with sleep right now. I'm sorry and that was a forty seven percent increase in search volume in march and april euro-area. So people are worried than they're not sleeping well so they're looking for ways to improve their sleep. Quality good news is there's a lot of hacks and some of them require more attention than others. And i just think weighted blankets are slam dunk. Because you can just put it on your bed and you never think about it again. You just you go to bed except one time at night. I has. they'd ask you best. But what the heck. What is the impact of weighted blankets on sexual relations Yeah you know what i've heard from my friends. Most often what happens is that a blanket can end up taking up space between two people at a can become like a wall so it gets harder to get to the other side of the wall. If you're sleeping inviolate a partner your bunch it up between you anyway if that if you bunched up between you that can happen but on the other hand if you're better arrested you're more likely to be in the mood. It's totally true better. Sleep will raise testosterone in both partners. It'll raise growth hormone and all that i was just thinking about having a heavy thing on top of you wouldn't be ideal. I guess the obvious answer is taken off but then again a normal blanket if you throw blankets between Partners a hot sleep bruins cold sleeper defense. What about hot sleepers. How do they deal with weighted blankets. That's a great question. Actually as living in bali coming up with how to design our weighted blanket tropics. It's warm and most people don't really have indoor air conditioning. So is always top of mind. Means make a product that can be used in all climates. The other reason for that is because this is not a seasonal product. Is this something that you want able to use as self care tool all year round so our blankets are designed specifically to be able to be used by hot sleepers and all year round and the way that it works is because it's just simply a small amount of cotton and the glass obas phil doesn't trap heat so they're really quite read them. All and i have friends that have been going through early stages of menopause struggling with hot flashes. And they've texted me. Oh my god. I had the best night sleep like this really works. So wow so it it does. I haven't had problems with heat from it and use it with and without a chilly pad where you can actually pump cold water underneath your on your mattress pad which works fine. I'm but i've not needed to do that So i i've noticed the difference but normally there's been times where i wouldn't have a blanket on but i i'm not bothered at all by the blue so it seems like he did something right there okay And in terms of using it with other blankets you just put it on top of all the other blankets or do but the other blankets on top of it. My preference is to do your sheet and then made a blanket and then any other kind of betting that you want because more than just a pure weight of it you really want to feel sort of the conjuring of Of your that's really nice hunting. Feeling what about Washing it glass fibers wash. But how does that work. It's machine washable. Cold water gentle cycle For our larger blankets which we just launched actually waited comforters. That are lot bigger those. We recommend taking to the laundromat Not because the blanket would get damaged. But we don't want you to hurt your machine at home with too much going on inside and then they can go in the dryer. No problem degi superfast. Oh that's cool so it. That's probably better than plastic thing anyway. Lasting drier that's so cool. Well i've got to say. I'm very happy with my blue and i knew that there was some science. I did not know about the study from sweden. Some signs around waited sleep and the whole universe of of improving sleep. I've gone from someone who who would say. I'll sleep when i'm dead in four hours a night better than eight because i just don't wanna sleep is apps up that i care about that. I'd rather be doing to the point. That i get my six hours. Which is what healthy. People need to live longest But i'm gonna do it like a boss and so part of my stack is my blue asleep blanket and i do everything i can to get better sleep because it's important so i i appreciate that you made a clean product that i'd be willing to put on my bed. I can't allow crops to me. That i'm like i feel bad i i. I guess it's recyclable. But i don't want to give it to friends because they're my friends but who made this so you are as far away from that as is humanly possible. Where every little detail. I feel like you nailed so and as usual on episode like this you have an offer for people are listening are saying i wanna try. I do my best guys. You're listening to this Whenever i have a product on an episode like this mike. Hey let's have a discount for bulletproof listeners. 'cause he has no That i'm doing my best for you as well. So you're giving everybody fifteen percent off. They go to blue living b. a. l. o. Living dot com slash. Dave use code. Dave fifteen get fifteen percent off your weighted blanket And i'm telling you right now. If you're thinking about this and you're saying i could get some cheaper thing somewhere else. You get what you pay for. These are not super expensive blankets. And thank you. Keep the price reasonable. But these are noticeably different. They look different. They feel different. They have different materials. They're clean and since you spend a third of your life in bed. It's a good place to go clean. So i i really truly believe in the product and thank you for making it. I thank you for being a guest on the show today and you will talk again. Thank you bulletproof. Radio was created in this hosted. By dave asprey the executive producer darcy. Hinds podcast assistant bev. Hamson his podcast is for information purposes. Only statements and views expressed on this podcast. Not medical advice this podcast including dave aspirin. 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Ep. 393 - Dave Asprey: The Truth About Fasting

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Ep. 393 - Dave Asprey: The Truth About Fasting

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I don't know this year could be could be also kind of crazy and so it really roots me. If i have like something that i am operating under like a word like theme of the month so i can always come back to it. So that's really our intention there but can't wait to see in the membership. It's all your friends about. It will be fun to kind of do this as no big expanding community again. Almost thirty podcast dot com for more info. Yeah it's going to be the best. I can't what you just channel auber energy into one place where we were doing events like we just do tons of public things with people which is awesome. But i'm really excited to just make deeper change with people in the community in this way where it's like the people that are like okay. I want to do this guy actually want to heal female friendships and be seen by other females. Or i wanna learn more about my spiritual path. I wanna just like increase my ability to feel calm. Whatever they wanna do. And having that container together i think it's gonna be really beautiful. I agree i agree. I can't wait. Oh man shall we tell them about the other day. yeah The other day we were lucky enough to have our healer kiki in person and we were really excited. She's coming down from the pacific northwest and she is just been instrumental in a lot of our healing done in twenty twenty healing and protection. And just you know getting closer to our own intuition psychic abilities we all have them and so i knew was going to be a powerful day. We got a message from. Aaron rose earlier that day just being like hey just sending you a lotta love protection as do the work with kiki today and she was coming around ten. Am and at nine thirty. I'm like hanging out in the apartment where we're all going to gather. I'm by the window. I think i was doing like a half past workout or something and all of a sudden. I hear a siren and i see a car racing down the road. It hits the cartha light and it veers off onto the medium median median and then tail spins and stops and seven cop. Cars come racing in and those three seconds someone gets out of the car and runs and then cops around this car and pull their guns matter of ten seconds. And i was just like lindsey was filming in preventing commentary. Yeah i i was providing some really special come to was like a mom and now now. They're they've got all their guns and now you're going to submit to a new source. That car just hit back car. And oh god you're down on the ground in the up and you're showing all the angles. I was just thinking of shots. Were fired below. That's so true nowadays. You've got a film those asians. That's that's kind of exactly what. I was what i was thinking but yeah it it. It did not escalate too much. These were babies eight babies in car do that. Sorry not an actual baby but like children taint. Teenage girl was looked like she was sixteen. There was a young girl. Looks like she was sixteen. There was that guy picked davidson. Pete davidson do those kind of hot. He was a little hotter. Get the home because he hot a john line. That did not quit joan line. That did not quit. Cheekbones that we're unreal really tight haircut really tight haircut. He had is like beanie on he was like. I felt my ohio tenth grade. Self thinking this might be the one. And if i was in ohio tenth grade and he was getting arrested. I would be like even more to. Yes i would be even more into it. I'd be like wow. That's a leader right there. I doubt man like it's like it's so weird. I don't know if you guys have this experience in ohio. It was like there was kind of romantic idea of of that. What was that was writing to. Your boyfriend. Imprison like and clyde. I remember i remember. I was i was a junior and this girl. Her name was rachel. Mark the most beautiful girl in ohio. She didn't go to my school. She had this boyfriend. I won't say their names. Whatever i should have said. Rachel clark but you guys wouldn't narc read this other person and they were. They would deal drugs and it was like she loved that it was like a bonnie. and clyde. yes yes she would tell me. She said cats like bonnie. And clyde drop-off coke blah blah blah and. I was like. It's so weird. Because i was like. That's so cool. It's like do you. Do you realize as a what how are you. I was sixteen. they were seventeen. That it's like. Do you realize like you could go to federal prison delays release. You don't like this is so cool. I'm dealing drugs. Bonnie and clyde adventure like i go to the jury weird thing but i'll never forget. I was in her bathroom one time. She was getting ready and she was talking about. This is like i'm so fucked up. She's talking to her. Mom like made her only eat carrots before homecoming. She's my mom. We only garrett's three days before hong kong show on him you to sit in my dress but it didn't even seem real like it was just a weird story i was like. What are you talk every orange and why she might be doing your job. It was a whole experience and all that but that experience of feeling like bad was cool. Yeah and doing rebellious things. I remember had a guy from cops came to this party. One time a few of us had in the closet me into through. The people hid in the closet and the cops came and they actually didn't find us in the closet but everyone else got arrested while they didn't even open the closet door which is so crazy. I'm dumb everyone else got arrested. And my guy friend brand and who thought he was like so cool thought he could outrun the cops and didn't that's like these morons out front. Yes i'm like. What do you think what do you think there were. Seven cop car was so but that guy getting arrested i mean. He had so much cash in his wallet. Yes so the guy out front when he got arrested hot pete davidson had the cops. Were the police officers. say cops. my dad gets mad at me. Is that weird. Yeah i know. I remember that experience. Yes but the police officers were counting the bills. And like yes in a way. Those so dramatic act like i'm watching. A movie davidsons had was like bob me. He's like twenty four six eight he was like. Yeah that's right. It was literally like she was like this is dope like it was kind of like he thought the whole thing was. Yeah he's a fuck ya count that two k in twenty s that is in my wallet to when they mask on him home every his took off his fini put the mask on his beanie gibson power so they need and he was no longer powerful still hot and then they put a mask on him and he looked at his hands are behind in. Minneapolis says i was waiting for them to be like just like pull it up like sorry the mascot over your nose thankfully no one was hurt so someone was hit in the car like an innocent bystander and he was totally fine. But damn all that to say to this vortex out front. He called it. A longtime ago really did to natalie miles kiki robinson also that right outside of our our studio. My apartment is is kind of An energy war tax and actually the night. After that happened there was another scene. When was super foggy. Ten ten police cars fire engines right over by the car wash. Whoa it was very odd. It was going on in really see any action but it's a hot spot hot spot. It's pray every night. Yeah yeah. I mean kiki said it. She's like it is crazy and house. Like if i was ten minutes earlier that had been made could've been you. I was coming that way. And she got me the person would. It was very so dramatic. Will i know. I'm sure i'll say them again. I'm writing in jail. But that was going to become his lawyer. I i had a boyfriend in ninth grade and that was like my bad boyfriend. And i remember feeling so purposeful when i helped his mom. Send him to rehab the hundred percent. We all have that lying. You always wanna be the one that changes them. Yeah them never knew he was always on. Oxy's never knew. I literally never knew. But that's how naive i was. I really thought he was really show. Do you know. I mean totally. Get up and go somewhere. He's i need three hours. I can't go my legs. Chilin like this nice but yeah he was always. Yeah the iphone justin about this weekend. That whole concept of lake how. It was cool to kind of be doing that. And i was like is that movies. Are that that music that influence people to think that it is such a thing when you're in a small age range you kind of think that's cool but you know in in certain areas. I don't know if everyone did. But and then you owner like dude. You're might spend twenty years in jail. I know but you know when those kids are outside. I was thinking i'm like i have so much compassion for them because i'm sure they don't feel like anyone who gives a shit about them. I know you know when you're in that situation like tam. No one cares about me. Who cares what i literally. I don't matter you know. In some cases they feel that way. And i'll say that such a bummer. 'cause they were it was very lake. I mean if that was me. I'd be fucking crying. You know what i mean. We're yes but they were very just like stone face shown kind of relaxed in. I'm sure they were ashes but like laughing. That made me sad. Because i was like. You're right They probably feel like known really cares about me at this moment to trump things that you know. You're kind of in shock. Yeah but i mean if they were running from the cops car like run. I wonder what the thing was to get seven cops with guns. I think that. I don't think the police officers are doing right now. So i think they just call but also you never know with a with a car chase. Yeah it could go on for a long time. It could be could have weapons like it could be really dangerous. You can have a souped up car. Missiles and jerry ass- this was literally leg x. games mode and just go really fast two thousand nine hundred. Yeah it was sick was hondas. They hit each other that that honda. You're like no that no. I don't think to honda so yeah exciting. Things brought membership and him say about this episode with sochi face. Dave silky phase. To tell dave that we call him sochi face but to face. You tell them what what did you tell you guys. This is a wow sometimes. Eating krista is going to ask the most unbelievable thoughtful question ever and sometimes she just says something weird like the other day with geeky. Was she talking about seattle as a guy hate seattle. She's again living. seattle guy. Hates speaking your true today. I heard by what are you saying. And then with dave. Dave run interview with dave dave trillionaire and we have a report like we've interviewed each other. We've interviewed him before like we're cool and he's like sitting there and he's in his little office area that he's end when we've interviewed him. Virtually we've interviewed him also in person and it's red and there's like golds behind it and looks like it's before christmas that where we did this and it looked like frigging santa's workshop or totally and so i literally. He told like a long intricate scientific answer. And i'll say you know what it looks like behind you santa's workshop. And he was like what he's like. Well i make my coffee back there. Anyway he's like anyway time. There's like eighteen inch diameter gears lay. It looked at you guys will. If you guys watch on youtube you'll see. It looks workshop. I am so interesting bricks. What's going to what's going to happen totally. No i think he was perfect. Keeps dave on his toes. I love dave. Dave is just. He's wild he's he's wild. You know. I think. I don't know maybe if i was fucking a trillion took six trillionaire axe and was gonna live till i was one hundred and eighty. I would say whatever i wanted to. Yeah it's it's pretty liberating but in this interview. We talk a lot about fasting. So yeah this is a conversation in topic. We've talked about maybe one other time on the show we had lynette on lynette. Stare literally probably of the first year of the podcast second year. We talked about fasting. She did fasting for as part of spiritual journey. But with dave we talked a lot. About how fasting and intermittent fasting can be really helpful for all areas. You know mentally physically emotionally. But i really wanted to focus on the spiritual aspects of fasting. So that's really a lot of our conversation and dave's amazing because he brings. A lot of research brings a lot of lake biohacking and tips so a lot of this will be really helpful for anyone that wants to dig into or understand fasting. A little bit better yeah. His new book is out to day. It's called fast. This way burn fat. He'll inflammation and eat like high-performing human. You were meant to be so you can grab that anywhere books are sold. We also talk about just kind of like how you've been feeling recently a lot of you whether it's like anxiety ridden fear it and you know not feeling like yourself in your body and we just kind of bring that all together and dave so good about you know bringing in really hard facts but also his own experience and just what. He's been observing in his community and what they bulletproof labs does a lot of studies as well so we bring that in so get your book out. And i think you'll really really enjoy this one and again watch on youtube. You can see dave's silky face It's all that collagen and fat. I mean and you guys in person is allow while others. You want him to drop that skin care routine so thanks for joining us. We appreciate you again. The book is fast. This way you can get anywhere. Books are sold And anything almost thirty related go to almost thirty dot com. You can learn more about our membership. Enrollment is open now for two weeks. We cannot wait to see you in the membership. We kick it off in february. And i think i think that's it. Yeah we have to moreso with dave. If you want to dig into more gave you can search. Dave asprey almost thirty and we cannot wait for our new members to just really you know. Do twenty twenty one together in community. We love you so much love you. We'll see on the other side may at a lot of friends that have food allergies and sensitivities and. i'm so dang happy that i can recommend them a delicious shui healthy bar for them to snack on whenever they want. That's go macro go macro. 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That's right huge savings. Go macro dot com. Use the promo code almost thirty for thirty percent off plus free shipping on all orders over fifty dollars. Just want to talk a lot about what's been going on this year and i've really appreciated your content and commentary. I find it to be refreshing. And you know i just. It takes courage right now to speak any sort of truth so i wanted to ask you a little bit about just being someone. That's been in the health and wellness space for so long. you're so educated and knowledgeable. What is it felt like to come in to twenty twenty and have this situation happen and not feel like you can really say what you wanna say. I'd love to talk about just the effect that fear has on the body and mind because there have been points throughout this year where i felt lake our people functioning properly and how were their bodies doing you know what i mean like where. They think they're doing the right thing and protecting themselves by being in fear and you know staying away from people in a way that's like people are dangerous but i'm like okay. The fear the lack of human connection and touch. What is that doing to us physiologically. Well the first thing that fear does is to pass information can enter the brain. If you're not in a state of fear you process it through the prefrontal cortex that has seven layers in it. This is your logical rational. You in if you're in a state of fear you bypass the prefrontal cortex he go straight to the amid della which is a part of the brain that is commonly associated with reptilian behavior in fear and fight or flight it also though it turns out you can train you make to be more loving as well. That's you know. An unknown characteristic of the mid july. So first thing is we. Don't think about stuff we just feel about it. And then we believe it's real and when you're in a state of fear it shortens not lamar's which are things that are longer you live longer. It raises your cortisol and your adrenaline journal are great. They're there for short periods to help you run away from tigers or achieve a goal and you need them however if they're chronically elevated because there's a looming threat Your hormones change your fragility goes down. Stop repairing your tissues. You have higher blood sugar because your body is like. I know i might have to run at any time. Because there's a looming threat. You put any animal in a high stress environment like that and you see all kinds of physiological negative changes so with mice do something called random adverse events. Something like that. I'd probably have the exact name wrong. But what they do is they're like okay just on random times. We're gonna shock you. And then they watch what happens and what happens is universal all those things like they they get fat if they have enough food their physiology breaks and when you look at what drives us that human connections a massively important thing and maybe the thing that stands out the most is i interviewed on bulletproof air. My podcast dr yvette murphy. And he's a former us surgeon general and he's only written one book and i interviewed him a week before biden announced that he was going to co chair there cronin buyers task force and dr murphy's books was about human connection and he said of all the epidemics i've seen in the us in my time surgeon general. The number one epidemic is a lack of connection. So i'm i'm kinda hardened because if you have a guy who understands that is in a position of leadership about response look. Nobody wants anyone to die yet. People do die. That's what happens if you're alive so is like well. What is the cost of human suffering and deaths from a lack of connection and if you factor that in you can have a rational measured response. That minimizes death but doesn't prioritize eliminating one death via causing of thousands of kids to not learn facial recognition and kids to learn to fear other humans and to live their whole life with programming until they get to be about thirty and they see therapists and go. Oh my god. It's safe to get a hug out. I wish i'd known not for thirty years like this is what we're creating and it's not okay. You know within your family and your community. What are you doing or or how do you engage with. People are what sort of like your protocol for how you're acting in the world today on that there are these these three spiritual states That are sought after in in buddhism. And actually a lot of spiritual practices and the first one is is empathy the ability to feel so been else's feelings when we do that with mirror neurons and that's great so instead of just feeling like oh about persons suffering like i can feel that they're afraid i can feel it and the second step of spiritual evolution that comes after that is compassion so instead of just feeling their feelings you can acknowledge them without taking it in. And you say okay. I feel compassion. I'd like to reduce suffering in the final and hardest day to get into is called equanimity. And this is where you can be you. You can become at peace and in service to others no matter what is happening in the world around you literally the ability to meditate in the middle of hurricane. I because it's an external thing right and you have these clear boundaries. And all so when i'm working to do with the content produced even with the new book is to give people a sense of equanimity so that you realize that a lot of the voices in your head are not a reflection of reality reflection your nervous system and you can actually see the world as it is and you can be you no matter what's happening in the world and the value of this is you don't have to be like bill gates as behind the whole thing. I know it. You're still a little bit reactive. My friend and trusted gonna die after like put three sponges on my head and a half to ralph and entrust bags before i what what are you doing. Both sides of that are like tribal and injury primitive and neither one is very functional. So among hey i don't know maybe there is a great conspiracy behind this. There's some data points. They might be true. But i don't know right and maybe it's much worse than they're letting on. I don't see any data to support that. I could be wrong either way. I mean they're gonna live. I'm gonna die and either way. I'm going to do it. I'm here and if you can be there man that's a pretty good place to be. Yeah yeah you know just on the point of you know taking an information whether it's from the media or trusted sources or what people deemed trusted sources. It's kind of difficult right now. I can go online. I can go on instagram. I can go wherever i'm like. Wow lake what can i trust. What information can i trust and to bring in fasting excited to talk about. You know there has been a lot of bad press around fasting for example. You know it's like these blanket statements around why it is not safe healthy Or good for you. So just in general you know taking in information on health diet etcetera be kind of confusing for a person so yeah. I'd love to start start there. As far as you know. Health information and help people can start to explore and discern for themselves just have that sovereignty to be like. Okay i'm not gonna go with what the mass medias saying and or i am you know like where they can. Kind of. Begin in my. By the time. I was in my early twenty s. I had three hundred pounds and i had all kinds of health conditions before i was thirty. I'd had arthritis in my knees diagnosed. As a teenager. Obesity prediabetes chronic fatigue syndrome. Cognitive problems on high risk of stroke and heart attack all these on lab tests and so at a certain point. I was like okay. I've had enough of this. I'm going to exercise an hour and a half days six days a week. And i'm going to go on a low fat low calorie diet and at the end of eighteen months of doing this. No matter if i was sick no matter feels final exams. It didn't matter. I was going to go to the gym because my highest priority was just getting getting healthy getting strong and at the end of all that. I'd love to tell you i grabs and everything was good no i. I still had forty six inch waist. I was still fat. I was stronger. But i was fat and at a certain point and had to go. You know what it's not working so the way you can trust information as you can say all right is what i'm doing working and you can measure it or you can just be like. I don't really like how i feel. Most the time sums not right and if what you're doing isn't working whether the information is generally accurate it doesn't work for you so then you're gonna have to try something else. And then you always see the media just completely crap on any new innovation. Always there are all sorts of newspapers saying oh the wright brothers are these crazy people. There's no way they're ever gonna fly. You know they're con artists and all this stuff and then like oh. I guess they did it so i would say if the media's crapping something it's probably a good sign that you should look at it first of all and second of all you gotta ask yourself. Is it really dangerous to skip breakfast every day or every other day recommend in the book especially from him and were getting started. Is it really dangerous to do that for months and see what happens. Are you going to die. Are you going to cause permanent harm. So give it a try. You have sovereignty there the other really simple thing to do stop using google. About nine months ago. Google changed the algorithm. You cannot find any useful health information google x. duck duck go or One called swan something. Another those search engines will give you actually the most relevant content instead of what they want you to see and they'll show you the same content no matter who you are. So i'm i couldn't have written my fasting book if i had to only use google because none of the references that i have relied on google pharma other books. I couldn't find them anymore. They're buried yes right and this is a very dramatic change. They've also reduced traffic to some of the sites with the best information by ninety nine percent so there is it's not necessarily censorship. But it's if you're in the tenth page of google results you might as well not be there and they're not looking at meriden more than what do we want people to see and think that's best for our prophet and when you're driven by a algorithms that drive profit. I look what we get right. And if you're driven by big food. Industry algorithms i know they're algorithm. It's how cheap is it. How tasty is it. And how pretty of a sticker put on there and that's what you sell. Because that's what makes the most money and then i come along. I'm like gee how you feel after you eat. That's most important right. And then how does it taste the second most important because no one likes see crap but the taste bad for long time. That's why kale is on a decline. And then the the third thing is okay how convenient because everyone values their time and then what's the impact on the environment in the world because people care about that and then how much does it cost. Because i just fundamentally believe people spend a little bit more money to buy food that makes them feel full for a long time and it makes them feel full of energy doesn't get it doesn't harm things and if you if you look at those metrics that's actually what people want but it isn't most profitable so i'm fortunate i'm running a have someone running large business that i started and several other businesses as well. But there's there are enough people out there willing do it and the more than there are the lower. The cost of that stuff gets so my approach has been changing demand for things like that and you know going back to the conversation about pandemic and things like that. It's like look. What are your values like. Let's return to our values right like let's do. Would minimizes human suffering across everyone right and what's not let you know politicians make decisions or just you know epidemiologists and just health the vote. They don't get a say right. And when the when the government. And i think of everything is processes now rhythms the number one thing that governments do top top top thing. I do whatever it takes us. Power and everything else after that is secondary. So what's most important now. Is that you demonstrate. You're doing something. It does not important that you demonstrated or something that works. You'd have to say it works and show that you took action senior reelected right in. We're in that kind of thing so just shining a light on that behavior but not you know falling into conspiracy land enough on interfere land. That's equanimity state. Where i'm looking to bring people back to that whether we're talking about food what we're talking about. Fear like those are major drivers of consciousness. And that's sexually the basis for the book and using a moment to it looks like santa's workshop in the background. Hasn't blinked the red and lays would the beautiful wood in the lights that lewis santa's workshop. It's making me feel happy Coffee it is pretty much exit. Video video idea is going to be santa's workshop and you can wear a hat one of the things that we usually talk about spirituality and the connection to to spirit and The connection to self and that sort of like a somatic felt sense so not everyone really recognizes. But when you do you understand. And i've wanted to faster experiment with fasting month for the spiritual you know benefits for that spiritual experience. I love it that you're asking about that. So the first time i fasted. I recognize i had a couple of things going on and this was actually back in two thousand eight on before i published the bull diary. Intermittent fasting integral part of that. I i wrote about that in twenty eleven. So i feel like i've been an early voice in this. Hey you can fast. But it's enough to hurt movement. But what i realized was two things one. I was afraid of being alone. I don't enough for some development work and i go. That explains why. I'd rather be in a bad relationship. Then just like i. I think all be seen for a little while 'til i find someone who's you know not as crazy as you know whoever was on before so i was. I was doing the work throughout. Like why had i made lots of bad decisions in my life and that was a major thing that stood out and i also realized as a fat person Say that. Because i saw stretch marks and some people are triggered by factors and dude. I was fat. I can say whatever i want about myself and you get it therapist. I i learned two things one. If you don't eat six or eight meals a day your body will go into starvation mode. There's that fear word. And then you'll get even fatter. That's just a lie. It's not true. But i believed it so i had this little program running but i didn't choose to install those like oh my god i don't eat all die now. That sounds so ridiculous. Aid sixteen heels a day or into starvation mode seen so absurd absurd and it's probably false so funny but man i believe dead and there's another thing that happens and i think most people who are heavy will understand this. There is such a thing as hypo bitchy. And so if i didn't eat on a regular basis my brain would turn off. I was started acting like a jerk. Because i literally didn't have enough electricity in my brain to act like an adult so then i'd be like reactive and yelling at people and just like super cranky pants which is in really the way i want to show up in the world. I was afraid of acting like a jerk and starts all right. I'm in a higher shaman. And she's going to drop me off in a cave in the desert with no people and no food for ten miles in any direction. And i'll stay there for four days and see what happens so unified totally. Lose my shit. All i can do. Is yell inside a cave echo like there's nothing your vision classes and the whole arc of fastest way is okay. Here's what happens when you do the spiritual side of fasting because it's missing from almost all the dogs again you can get ads and all this stuff. Yeah you'll probably lose weight if you need to lose weight but more importantly you'll get mental clarity. Which is why fasting has been used for thousands of years in almost every spiritual tradition because after about three days of fasting. By the way. I'm at right now. Forty seven hours of fasting. I haven't eaten in a couple of days. You can tell. My brain is totally not working right. Yes exactly. I was wondering if i'm in starvation. Ridiculous but what i what they're doing is they're saying. Okay if i go. And i fast when clarity hits about forty eight hours and you can cheat and you can hack a foul so you get clarity. The intermittent fasting on the first day if you want to and that's why bulletproof is so popular one of the chiefs for that as in bulletproof coffee actually to the gps to the anyway. The idea that that fascinating is clarity is because the body starts producing keaton's and that's half the clarity so ketones. These fat burning bodies probably talked about before and ketones feed the neurons. The neurons will eat key tones even if they have blood sugar present. Because there's such power hungry things. And what i find fascinating when you look at the biology is that the heart and the brain those cells have about fifteen thousand of these little environmental sensors power plant factories that are that amount of andrea and the rest ourselves have oh somewhere around a few hundred to a couple of thousand so these are the power hogs of the body. Except if you're a woman and women in your ovaries you have one hundred thousand. Bu contract personnel. Which has all sorts of interesting implications if you get into that but what you find is that okay. The most power hungry parts of the body just need to burn stuff that has higher octane. That has more energy and when you do that. That's where clarity comes from. Halfway the other half of the clarity comes from this crazy idea. Which is the first chapter of my first big book. It's like hey. Food has toxins in it and talking about ridiculous belief systems. Ben if i gave you a bowl of cyanide and then i put some fiber in it. And i was like you should eat this. It's high in fiber. You probably go f- myself right. I would hope so. Yes this was. This is the state of like. Oh this it's packed with again and no it's not packs. It has trace amounts of it. But you didn't look at the downside and with everything you do look at what's good and what's the bad and you measure it and it turns out if you want clarity. Don't eat these major. Five classes of food talks. We can survive on all on all sorts of crap but it doesn't mean that we run best on that stuff and it turns out all of these things in at least in most people will cause cravings and there's a big difference during a hunger in a craving. I didn't know there was updrafts. I never fell hungry. 'cause i only have cravings and when i realize this and i started to eat different foods that didn't trigger craving some. Oh hungers the sense that you know what i probably should eat in the next couple of hours. I'm getting. I'm getting hungry. But if i don't i'll be right and cravings are like the next ten minutes someone's going to die and i'll eat their corpse right. That's the difference right. We don't we don't have to feel that but most people because of what they eat are in a constant state of craving and i teach people in fastest way cures the food choices that are probably making very hard too fast and then i teach people. Here's what to do especially when you start fasting in order to not experienced the pain of it because if you're interested in spiritual fasting it's a major part of the book but before you can get there. You might want to learn how to do fasting for your metabolism for your got for aging process. So you have more energy because if you wanna be in a spiritual state wouldn't it be nice if you had a lot more energy. I so when you go there you can actually do the spiritual work. And that's why intermittent fasting is such a powerful thing. That trains your cells in a very simple way. Weightlifting for your your mitochondria. Here's the deal. You eat a bunch of times every day you snack and they're like there's always food around. I don't have to be particularly good at turning air and food into energy. I just have to be average below average. It doesn't matter and the bodies lays you just want wanna make fresh young new cells. That's our work right. And never underestimate your biological drive to conserve. Energy gets a fundamental part of life. So if instead you go hey body every now and then there's no food it's like oh my god damn might happen again. Therefore i'm going to take all my cells that do a week job of turning air and food and energy. And i'm going to kick him out. I'm gonna kill them and i'm gonna make fresh young ones to replace them and when you do on a regular basis. Oh well you didn't get type two diabetes the way most people do now. Oh you reverse your type two diabetes. Your brain works better. Your skin looks better. You have more energy and you ever energy even when you do eat because your body's better at turning thirty pounds of air and our much food you eat into electrons and they're the same electrons power. You're following i mean. We're we're driven by electricity. I don't want anything stopping you or getting in the way of some healthy habits. 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It's because your body is burning fat for energy and we are wired to do that and the first thing we'll do and i talk about this in the book like the stages of fasting you you go through and you say okay. I don't have any food coming in i. I'll use my my sore of sugar which is called glycogen and this is why any low carb diet will make you lose five to seven pounds in the first week. 'cause we're every gram of this sugar that you store in your body you also start to grams of water and this is why anytime you see. Someone on the cover of magazine were their shirt off. Then what they've done is they've usually depleted their glycogen and then they also took some drugs to draw extra water in the body cyclic. I lean and tried to look in my ads in like that for roximately twenty four hours and he's like crap the whole time and i've coached enough movie stars on their shirts off scene to know exactly what they're doing and so this. This is the first step burn all the carbs and then body goes on. I got i got nothing. Maybe i could burn a little bit of muscle and it'll do that by secreting cortisol and adrenaline. Which is one of the reasons. Fasting makes you feel good because the hormones even though they're bad hormones for whatever reason they're not they're necessary you want them to be not too low not too high. Goldilocks and then after that it goes. That's not very sustainable. I guess i'll have to go to the work of changing the configuration of my power plants to take fat and then it starts melting fat. And it won't hold onto the fat. The function of fat is to feed you. And there's no food so the idea that you're going to hold onto it right when you needed. And one of the mechanisms that is i don't think anyone's ever written about it except for me is called fiaff. Fasting induced adipose factor. And this is something deliver makes and it means that. Oh when you're fasting the liver secretes cause you to burn more fat when you eat. It's agreed to or lower levels of it and then you store fat except your gut bacteria because they're little bastards and they think you're petri dish that they get to control they will make extra amounts of fiaff so when you fast your gut. Bacteria actually can make you lose weight faster than when you eat carbs again. They're like. I don't mind petri dish to run out of energy. Let me tell about to store extra fat store extra fats babble thermostat where they're trying to run you instead of letting you run you that said you need good bacteria in your gut. It's very important. But this is one of those things where i teach you how to keep the gut bacteria happy during a fast. And there's a way to do that so The first notion that i teach in the book is that fasting. Just means going without and if you're on a diet going carve your fasting from carbs if you're gonna begin diet on your way to getting sick but you're also And i try not to be transparent about my beliefs there now. We're long again for a long time. I i got sick on it and so did so many people who recover when they start eating the right fads again but you know. He's gone fasting for animals. I'm not going to drink your fasting from alcohol and so passing doesn't mean only having water and there's a few people out there who are in kind of like the angry keita rose. If one more car began you're a bad person or angry vegan. Like god that honey a be touched at you can't eat it and be touched the plant you eight to the pollinated it at almond begin. Neither but you don't have to really apply logic when you're using motion to eat and there's going without going without sacks or jack you talk about that in the book and there's going without social media and probably more the most important part in the book is at the end where i talk about. Here's a spiritual fast where you choose to feel the pain and the challenges into this is to do a four hour fast from hey go for hours without thinking one bad thought about another prisoner thing is way harder than you think. And you'll catch. I'm i gotta can't believe i'm thinking that in fact for most people. It's it's very difficult to do that. And that's a very big tool for For self development. And what i'm doing for this book for the first time is i mean it takes thousands of hours write a book. It's actually like a very terrible way to make money because on an hourly basis. I think i probably could be making shots of espresso in my coffee shop and probably get paid more so books are like a passion thing. Yeah and i rose haven't teacher for for five years. The university of california. I love teaching. So i'm actually teaching the buck on anyone. Who buys the book. I'm they get in for free. But i'm doing a two week. Fasting challenge training whereas show you. Here's how fast when you have a job or you have kids and you have a life and you. You don't want to be tired and hang green hypothyroid bitchy but you still want the benefits. There's ways to do that. And then the final days at the end of the two week whether it's twenty four forty-eight hours. i'm taking people on a spirit where we actually do. The meditation do the personal development work. That can come with fasting but doesn't have to come. That and i want to bring fasting spirituality back together and they want to remove the annoying pain of fasting. The hunger of housing for when people don't want experience that and when you do that for a while your cells get so good at managing their energy that you probably don't need the fasting hacks but if you wanna painlessly enter this ability to fast you've got to know how do without pain and also how do i know that i didn't overdo it because there's something that i call the trap and there is a cheeto trap. There is a vegan trap. And there's a fasting trap and they all involve basic human behavior. The the trump looks like this. And i'll tell you about the vegan trap that i found to i and i was vegan. Gay you go vegan. Now you stopped eating a lot of stuff. That's bad for you when you do that. Unless you're like a coke and doritos begin. Aren't that many of those. So you're doing your best. You're you're watching your food and all this stuff and feel better because of the lack of crap and then because you stop eating the kind of fat that you're made out of your body slowly starts putting the wrong fats into your cells into the cell membranes. Which are made of fat and your body goes. I can't make as much energy more. This is scary and it turns up your thyroid function which is like thermostat. So yeah i got all this energy like go vegan right and then after about six weeks eight weeks depending on your age depending on your general health tanguay before it hits women for his men usually but I'm not feeling as good as i was before so clearly. The problem isn't a vegan diet because already proved to myself that it works. And i love how i felt on it. They're from not vegan. Enough right so you start like playing around. Maybe i shouldn't do this man you do that. And then there's that or you go to one of the low carb conferences in the early days of the atkins diet and things like that and there's a bunch of three hundred people walking around and you're like it doesn't get works and like i used to weigh five hundred pounds but i've hit this over the past year so i decided that since i know keita works. I'm just gonna only eat twelve grams of carbs a day instead of fifteen grams. And then i'll bring my to- and i've been stuck for a year. But i'm just trying to eat even less carbs. This was me for lost. Fifty pounds going kiddo. In nineteen ninety eight. The other fifty pounds took ten years and a lot of work on biology. To get through and now a fasting. I feel amazing. I can't believe that i'm not hungry. I love my brand love my life. I had to buy smaller hands. And then what you know. Same thing happens because you're doing too much and this is why my recommendations have always been cyclical kito. Donate stuff that's inflammatory and gives you cravings and this is what fasting. I see fast emerging as a trend. That is going to stick around for a while and we guarantee you that unless we get awareness of. How much should you fast. We're going to see a bunch of people. Saying i had all these bad things happen to me there for. I'm going to go back to eight meals a day because over time our health information does this big sign waiver. Or something's cool. It's not cool but the truth is in the middle so for women the first sign and there's all chapter just for women and fast this way because there's less literature on women but we do know a lot about it. The first thing is like my sleep quality went down usually at about four weeks of over fasting. And i wake. I just don't feel rested. And if you measure your sleep with the ring or something you find a reduction in deep sleep reduction in total sleep unless dreams normal and then you start saying michael isn't as regular as it was and then you start saying my ears getting fed. What you do is the over fast. You fell into the fasting trap and for men. It's a little bit different because it takes another two four weeks for a variety of reasons. I put in the book and for guys first thing is legally goes away. Second thing is they wake up without a kick stand and the third thing is There gets then as well so we want to avoid that and you're going too fast. Even just intermittent fasting. You don't have to do it every day. And if you have a lot of weight to lose or you're a woman who's health isn't just robust. You might want to just do it every other day or you might want to use some of the fasting hats so that you maintain your energy and you just you're kind to yourself and then i just it drives me nuts people. Oh my god fasting so good. I'm doing it every day for the rest of my life. And then i'm gonna do ad which is a really sexy kind of darth vader's way of saying i'm going to go twenty four hours eating. I'm just gonna do one meal a day. Which is what it stands for. But it sounds like kind of sex moment. Said jack dorsey does. I think yeah and bulletproof coffee like ten years ago and i love it. Because he's finding what works for him but he measures the crap out of his body right and he's he's probably measured as much as i do and You can tell if it works or not but one of the things you're doing whenever you change your diet whenever you you do anything like that. You're changing your consciousness to and self-awareness is always a challenge for all of us and data's one thing to do right and then if everyone around you is like looking a little thin they're probably lying because anytime someone loses a bunch of weighed. The people care about them. We have mirror neurons that match other people which is one reason if someone's afraid you're likely to catch it but they're like i don't like to see people starving because when people are starving and losing weight that's a sign of like maybe they're sick or something so then they tell you because they care about because they're feeling your pain that you might not even be feeling you're celebrating yay and like oh you're losing weight too fast. You're not you're not looking looking and they don't mean this to help you but they are a resist person. You just have to tune that out but then once you out when you really do overdo it and i kind of look a little skinny there and like you know your behavior has changed and are you aware of this. And you've already learned to tune it out and this is a really difficult thing to deal with and the point here is not to support or encourage anorexia. It's exactly the same thing right where you know. You're not gonna listen to people they're saying you're too skinny and you're like no i'm not i'm still too bad. And you get caught in these loops or orthodox yet which is another thing you can play orthodoxy to fasting or three is just this idea that it's a fear of not eating the right food and you could say i only eat stuff. That is compatible with me. Because i feel good all the time and the healthy perspective. And if you're like. I can't eat that because it might be bad. That's an unhealthy perspective and it's it's a nuance but it really matters. You mentioned the fasting hacks. I not to be a teacher's pet. But i have bulletproof every other day and i asked about like sixteen hours and for me. That's like a hack. Because without that i would not for me just feel good Getting through those sixteen hours but would love to just touch on a few. Few hawks for fasting. So would i say a hacker fasting. I'm talking specifically something. That removes the pain of fasting and allows you to still get the benefits. And i kind of made fun of the water. Only housing people every spiritual tradition has always at least had t- during a fast and oftentimes a few other things and just because the mice had only water. There's no reason for humans only do water. Fasting doesn't work as well so the first hack to make a fast easier and more effective is good old fashioned black coffee and the reason for that and by the i would suggest ones without mold. Toxins which is the stuff that i make a we all do whatever we did. And the reason this works. Is that the amount of caffeine in two small cups of coffee doubles keystone production. And you want ketones. Because a very low level of coupons far lower than when you're a full-on kito or you've been fascinated for a couple of days. It's enough to change these two hormones that drive your hunger and one of them's called the hunger hormone and eleven point five on a finger stick freaky tones. Which is half of when you've officially entered. Ketosis is enough to turn off gremlin oleg my hunger oman's gone. Now you know the croissants sitting there loses its power over me but the second or mon. The matters is called c. c. k. And i remember that. Because i know calvin klein made it is hard to say. It's cola assist. Kind is what it's called and this is a hormone that makes you feel fall so a small bump in key towns equals i feel full and i don't feel hungry because those are different things and now the all the willpower. You used to apply to your fast. You don't need willpower anymore. Because you're not hungry so you don't have to catch the hunger and you don't have to reject it now. I found a study in this way. The blew me away. The average person spends fifteen percent or more of their thoughts every day about. What's for their next meal. Now if you use the fasting hacks and you turn off your hunger you get fifteen percent of your thoughts back because they're not about food anymore and that is a profound thing you wanna talk about spiritual fasting spend fifteen percent of your thoughts on food thinking about being a better person right. It's that big of a deal. The second fasting hack is what. I'm very well known for and i'm not here to sell bulletproof. Coffee sold a lot of bulletproof coffee. But i'm going to talk about a new mechanism. That is really interesting so bulletproof coffee is black. Mold free coffee blended with some mcat oil. There's different kinds of cd. It's gotta be the eight for resembling share and you blend it with a little bit of grass fed butter and there's a lot of people are like. Oh here's my recipe. And i put a bunch of crap in there may work may not work Probably won't if it's got any protein in it or other kinds of fats but you do you blended and you drink it. The idea for this came to me. And when i was in mount kailash in a remote part of western tibet at eighteen thousand feet elevation. And they see these little tibetan people say little because i'm giant and they're all pretty pretty short and way he gives me a better team like i feel so much better than i have in a long time. It doesn't make any sense. But even without a blender they would manually blend it like ten minutes and drove me nuts like. Why'd you have to blend it. Why can't you just stick of butter and drink a cup of coffee. And the reason. I finally discovered it is. I donated a bunch of money to the university of washington and said. Can you guys look at water chemistry. And they did. And the guy's name is gerald pollack. He just turned eighty. I love learning for people with walmart experience than me and he's discovered this type of water. That isn't normal. No it's it's different fisk different viscosity. So it's a little bit thicker than normal water and this is what happens when you put water next to fat the just the edge of the water. You can see it on a microscope. So this isn't like magic for crystal water. This is visible changes to water. And he measured. What happens to water when it's near droplets of butterfat c. Mcat oil and other fats. And he says that the largest exclusions the highest amount of this water he's seen is in tiny droplets fat. So what you do when you drink. A glass of water is your buddy. Says great water. And it distributes the water so it's near your cell membranes which are tiny droplets a fat and then it applies twelve hundred nanometer light. That's how he does. It transforms the water into the water. That you use to make energy to fold proteins to clean up your cells for every biological process. Well when you're fasting you don't wanna use energy to heat stuff up so when you blend you're bulletproof. Coffee doesn't have to have tons of butter. Tiny bits will do it when you blend it for a while. They're drinking water that the body can use right away to burn fat versus having to go through this thing. That makes you cold when you're fasting and this is cool and the oil that you put in there at least using the the eight form that i've on the market before this research came out because i could feel a difference from it. Research from uc. San diego shows that that one form of institute oil quadruples on production. And this is why when you're doing your sixteen hour fast and the morning coffee. Double make you don production. I was already fasting after dinner. And i slept. And then you boosted ketones with coffee and caffeine. Then you boosted ketones with mcat oil and you give yourself water. That's been modified your body can use right away and then you feel like yourself and if you instead he like i'm just gonna have a glass of water without any salt because that would not be just plain water. Then you're not gonna have the same morning like like it's actually much harder biologically and it's okay to do that if you feel great and what works. But most people have a job and a life in their brain to work at eleven o'clock in the afternoon special. They're getting going. They don't do well on just water and it's actually like wearing a hair shirt. You're not a hair shirt is now. There are these sects of monks. And they're like. I'm such a center. That i need to make a shirt out of human hair so it's super itchy and i'm going to wear it all the time to remind myself through my suffering. What has center i am. And then they like whip themselves on their back they self-flagellation blue not joking. Wow make water. Only fasting is a form of self-flagellation inhere shirts. That's what i was thinking within. Fasting is like. I think the i was wondering what you thought about. This spiritual fasting. It's almost like part of the process. Is the discomfort. So i'm curious about how can you still have the spiritual benefits. If you're removing part of the spiritual process which is overcoming the ego part of you that has a detachment towards pleasures. You you nailed it during a spiritual fast. I think it's very advisable to have coffee or tea because almost all spiritual fast involved. He sometimes lemon juice and whatever else from tradition. You're from certainly you should at least have some sea salts or himalayan salt to keep your electrolytes where they need to be otherwise it can be dangerous and yeah when you're on the spiritual you actually wanna feel the discomfort like oh the message my body is telling me is that i'm going to die right. And it's hijacking my brain right now and it's making me think about food but me ask myself. That's how long would it take me to start to death and for most people three months maybe two months. You got a lot of time. By the way you'll die from lack of sleep long before you'll die from lack of food but your body's like so focused on food food food and you realize oh that's kind of ridiculous like what other ridiculous things is my body telling me and we walk if you're the the the reason that fasting is such a trigger for people and it involves the algorithm of life every life form no matter what. It is starting with bacteria. It doesn't matter if you're a cactus or you know elephants or a human or plant step number one run away from kill or hide from scary things and you do that with ten times more energy and attention than necessary because we're talking about things that don't have a brain. A bacteria doesn't have room for brandin very basic rules that can follow and those rules have been honed over the last two billion years to make the species survive so you know a bacteria is gonna make toxins or have a defense system and the cactus has spines. Yeltsin has tusks and humans. How brains and know we all have our defense systems and sometimes we run. Sometimes we fight but this is built in and you have to do it. I or the species will die because remember our brains. No that's not true but your cells don't know that the bacteria that run your body the might encounter. They don't know that because they're done. They're obama area in mass quadrille them making decisions as actually pretty smart but each one by itself. Nah i don't know and the second thing that all life has to do is eat everything because famines kill most animals and most things over time if you look back over the last one hundred thousand years how many humans have died in famines quite a lot. So we're all really afraid of that and that means you pay five times more attention to food bennett deserves when there's enough food because you know there's enough food but your cells don't know that's why you just look at the cookie day long until you eat it. The third okay so we have fear food. What else does all. I have to do to make sure it stays around. The planet have sex. What's an f. word. Though eating for cody funded. Because you've been having so many videos about like iraq filed is like just like. I thought you were going to go there. Hyundai actually was going there finding f words that were more polite than the one. You chose fun family food. So this is the third quarter. We put three times more attention into that f word than it actually deserves because in your body you're like if the species doesn't reproduce it's the end of the world and this is why you've gone on dates for like that guy is so hot i just have to have him and you're like i know this is not good for me but i'm going to do it anyway right and you know why guys are like no. I'm not gonna com. Oops right about five seconds for your convince fully by your body if i don't exactly right now is just the end of the world and is the most important thing on earth and i know i didn't want to but you late that's not ideal is in order drive all life And it's no wonder that you know people get stuck on fasting pp. You'll get stuck on fear because those are higher and fortunately in probably the the saving grace is that there is a fourth f word which is friend and every life form cooperates with others and this is why we have kombucha and yogurt when we're talking about bacteria and this have forest and we have herds and this is why humans formed tribes and this is why we support each other. So i'm arguing in this book that we're actually wired to be kind to each other. It's very hard to be kind to each other when you're hungry when there's no love in your life and when you're afraid and so our job is to the easiest one get rid of hunger because i know the foods they get rid of hunger like you. Just do it right during a fast. And they're gonna they're gone you if you're not really fascinating you just try out hunger. You get all their energy back now. Okay like i wanna take energy and use it to get love in my life in a healthy way or do i wanna use it to deal with this big looming. Ten axe f word fear and. That's a personal development is all about so when you're fasting. You go through a period of fear of starvation. And you're pushing. You're just like i did in the cave. Just like i write about in the book. You're pushing your buttons about that but echo to overcome that right and you realize some of those buttons are actual hunger and some of those are actually fear right and then you're done and you get a boost and energy because your key tones go up and then you look like oh i guess i'll work on fear because i've got nothing else to work on right now because i'm fasting in spirit away way and you're gonna break out your journal. You're going to meditate in. You're gonna realize how much ol- shed your mind tells you. All the time and the process of growing up in evolving using like the eric sonian stages of adult development over time. You just realize how much suffering you're making your own life because of these basic things that come from inside your cells and when you do enough of the work the kind of neurofeedback work. I do or advanced meditation in tibet. Are you know medicine and south america. I've done all those over the course of evolution. You come to this conclusion that well. There's a separate consciousness inside view the comes from those cells and it's coming knows the ego but everything you've ever been ashamed of as those first three f words. Can you think of anything you've ever done. That isn't one of those three that you wish you had done. What is it food talking in here. I yes. I mean so many of them active here. Yes every mistake you procrastinated. You didn't ask for the job. You ask the person out the bag of chips. Every one of those was a bacterial derived behavior. That is not your conscious brain doing it. It was your body convincing your conscious brain that it was a good thing to do and you believed it. And that's what you do when you do the spiritual work is you're saying all right. I'm going to feel the feelings. I'm going to just check whether they're real. The feelings are real star behind them is complete. Bs and that's the process of evolving as a human being. That's where the Comes from and the more that you do the more you start having transcendent experiences which can happen during fast. In fact there's a chapter in fastest way about spiritual fasting in particular and looking at it through the lens of history in different spiritual practices. It's an all spiritual practices because some advanced states really only happen either. With keystones or with fasting and traditionally the only way you could get keystones was fasting. Didn't have the kito diet in two thousand years ago so they just don't eat for a few days and you get into the special state and then if you do these other breathing practices whatever you can enter somebody as state where you're at one with the universe and now you can actually enter those states using things like mc t. oil or coffee that raise your levels and this is stuff that i do in science companies called forty years you. Can you combine decades of zen meditation into five really intense days. Yes can you do without key present in the body from nc t oil almost certainly not a few people can't and that's our goal to come to forty years then yep We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna make it our goal because we were talking to someone on the pod the other day and they were raving about it. They actually said it was like the most profound. We'd let hurt juno kuwaiti. I know it was the greatest money that we've spent for me in the team. I would recommend one hundred times over while he was raping about it. He's such a nice guy. Yeah it's it's transformed me. I've spent four months with electrodes glued to my head over the last ten years. Doing the biggest. Dave common ever heard that i'm lazy. It is meant to replace an hour a day of meditation. And sometimes i don't have. I have two young kids. And i have a wife and i have multiple companies and i read a new york times book every eighteen months and this giant podcast and like meditations important but if i could meditate faster curry meditate faster. I'm all over that. And that makes like traditional meditators. Very angry michael. You can keep doing your water fast and you can keep doing a slow meditation. But i'm gonna do a fast. That doesn't make me hungry and gives me the benefits and i'm going to use all that extra energy to do something good and i'm going to meditate the least possible to become fully enlightened when lifetime s the goal recording this just before i Wind down to go to bed not traditional for me but here we are but i just took some of my favorite supplements for my nighttime routine so i just took my beauty. Z's which helped promote a really restful night's sleep. This has be six and melatonin. You're familiar with melatonin. Maybe you've heard it. 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So when people are fasting or they're doing fasting your way if they're doing fasting you know the spiritual way without anything but t a lot of people have a hard time getting over their food as more of the comfort and it's more of the emotional relationship people have with food. What do you suggest for people when that's really their issue rather than like actual cravings or anything else. The big suggestion in the book after a lot of thought about this as choose the goal of the fast and if your goal is personal development you gotta go in and feel the feelings. But you don't have to always do. That is if the goal of the fast. Was tab your metabolism in your brain work. Well today so you can do other things. That's okay and then. The hawks really help. And if instead of saying okay my goal is to deal with my emotional eating. You can do what i did. You know in a cave for a while but you might not have to do that and then the most important thing is to actually sit there and instead of thinking about it you feel about it and you actually scan your body's you're sitting there like okay. I just found myself reaching for you know candy. Or whatever it's entirely possible you have hypoglycemia. You have a biological reason for craving that food your bacteria making extra toxins their stuff going on and separately or at the same time you may also have an emotional thing like oh lonely so as you notice yourself reaching for whatever it is or just having thoughts about it then you look in your body like do you feel something here in your head. Do you feel something in your chest in your guy. Where is it and by looking for the physical sensation. First and then saying What's the name for that feeling adt. Oh semi is it. Fear is it loneliness and then right away. Like what else am i thinking about. And if you're thinking about your mom Like who gave you food when you were young like a lot of our emotional cravings come from that right so when you were feeling a lot of stress you probably got a boob. I've always said that. A music i feel like people. Women crave sugar more like when you talk about salty versus sweet women crave sugar more and i think it has something to do with the mother because isn't like breast milk most likely just like a sugar substance. I've thought about that before but breastmilk is interesting because it has As a lot of fat in fact it's seventeen or up to seventeen percent that one kind of insecure recommend. It's also got sugar in the lactose and has got protein. But it's more the emotional connection right so sometimes that's where it is. You know your mom was like you bit my nipple sixteen thousand times today. Like enough already right. Every mom has said that if they say in the wrong way because hey moms are people to write. That can leave a little mark right. And there's nothing says you know you've been a bad bad mom or anything like that. That's not what it's about it. Is that every child is like a certain point. It's like you finish nursing and it can be done or can be every time you're upset your mom stuffed eminem's in your face eminem's equal love and it's it's okay right and your mom do that. 'cause you know you stop crying right and and that sort of coley happens so i'm not blaming mom there's dads and there's friends and there's teachers and there's societal messages in that but just being aware that those feelings came somewhere and it's okay there but just question whether they're true last question from from me i would love to just touch on the benefits for sleep. Because i feel like this year especially. We've had more time at home while our sleep might be disrupted by stress. I do feel like we've had more time to rest in general so we'd love to touch on the benefits of fasting for your sleep. The there's a chapter in fastest. This way where i talk about how to combine light and fasting to change your sleep window and for me since i was about ten. My preferred bedtime has been to am two. Oh four am actually. I've been tracking asleep for like fifteen years. Now because i'm a geek. And i become very good at sleeping as a result of actually seeing the data. It's it's interesting about fifteen percent of us are wired to stay up late at night. Fifteen percent of us are wired to wake up early and this is because when we lived in tribes on the savannah you needed the night shift to protect against predators near the morning shift. Fifteen percent of people never sleep. Well they're the backup alarm system people and the rest of the people just like wake up in the morning and do their stuff and go to bed. At night it's inconvenient to go to So if you combine the timing of your your fast and light exposure you can do what i did. I got about at ten thirty every night out naturally without having to force myself to do it Which is the first time ever. I've been able to do it. And it's because light is the strongest signal for circadian timing and food is the second strongest signal and what. I would encourage everyone listening to do. Even if you're never going to fast don't eat after it gets dark the longer you have between dinner and bedtime the better. You're going to sleep and if you do that. And then you're waking up at like three or four in the morning with raising thoughts. The trick is right before bed. You can either have some mt oil or a little bit like a teaspoon or two of raw honey. Don't put in hot. Water is not ronnie mar. And sometimes you need to stabilize your blood. Sugars you wake up with raising thoughts around that time frame. It's usually because you had hypoglycemia night and your brains. Like i need blood sugar so i can do my brain cleaning jeremy's swertz maternal out and you wake up with racing thoughts from the adrenaline cortisol. So you hack that with those two things. And that's all in the book as well so good. Dave thank you so much and so it's just a pleasure to see you and chart with you especially during a time like this this conversation's very comforting to me. I'm sad i'm not there with you. Guys should be right now. We're going to go back to normal. This is not the new normal. This is just a bizarre time. Don't fall in that trap either. Go back to seeing our friends and seeing people want to in being totally safe around them the way we have been for only a million years. Yeah plus we'll be at forty years is that and that's our twenty twenty one goal would love to have you there. Were opening a new one. Up here in victoria british columbia under my office next to the studios fall. That's amazing that would require being able to cross the border. But we'll fix that soon. He's well into the one there. And i just encourage listening to this You've got to go to fastest way dot com. Send me your preorder receipt and spent two weeks like live. Cunard's dislike this community that four friend the community of people also experimenting with housing. Some for the first time some experienced finally a one or two days spiritual fast route teaches on by todd today. And i'm doing that for free. Just want people to do this. I don't want fasting to go into this. Everyone over faster than we forgot about it. Not that yes sustainability. That's amazing insurance will have everything to and yeah. We have the book and it's incredible especially the chapter on women. I felt like was just so necessary and important and yeah grateful to have you happy holidays. You have such a good one and it was just again. We're really grateful to you again. Thank you. i'm happy to see you again to next time. In person next person. Dave see assigned by thank you so much dave dave asprey in the building with his new book fast. This way get it anywhere. Books are sold. You can go fast this way dot com as well and for all things almost thirty membership. Join the evolution. You can go to almost thirty dot com really excited to welcome you and begin with you for this six-month membership. It will go on past six months but the first enrollment is six months and we'll be themed every month with extra content ways to with each other and with us in a more deep Impersonal way were just really really excited. And honoured yeah. I'm so excited. 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Dave Asprey || Fast This Way

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Dave Asprey || Fast This Way

"Today. It's great to chat with dave asprey finder and chairman of bulletproof. Dave is a three time new york times bestselling science author host of the webby award winning podcast bulletproof radio and has been featured on the today show on the new york times dr oz and more his latest book among many great books is called fast. This way burn fat. He'll inflammation and eat like the high performing human. You are meant to be dave so great to chat with you today. That's always a pleasure. I'm a big fan of your work. I i've mentioned you multiple times. Now when i talk about the four f words in fastest way things that drive human behavior but there's another one around transcendence and being more connected to more than just yourself and all that so thanks for the inspiration will thank you know the phillies mutual. After i was on your gracious enough to have me on your podcast. I was left with this feeling of you know this. This is a cool cat. It was such an effortless conversation we had. I mean there was no. There was no lake effort there. So i love when that happens. Yeah that's the best. Podcasts are conversations you want to have any and you just have a few hundred thousand people listening in because they wanted to hear and then everybody wins. Yeah well so we've talked about. I hope i got your bio right. I i couldn't actually see anything On the screen. So i was doing predictive text but hope help it. I got all the words everything but now it's four times near ten seller fastest way. Just hit the list again for second week. So this is my fourth book on the list which is a real author at a certain point. You like okay. I think i'm their relations. Thank you i will. I really enjoyed this book. And i wanted to kind of start at the beginning. If we can with this vision quest because the be completely honest. I never even was. I wasn't familiar with the phrase vision quest. And then it w yeah i mean people are shocked by the author transcend has never been on a vision quest with a but you know this is new territory for me so i was wondering if you could talk a little about that experience and maybe why should try us a vision quest sometime so tell me about what it was like you know. Why did you will into it. I mean you just were spontaneous. You went on to google and you type too let you just went to the first shaman. That showed up. I mean i couldn't even imagine that. Have a high having a high probability of turning out. Well in retrospect the appropriate way at to find a a shaman. Who's a good for. You is to ask around into get a personal referral right. And i have been through. Alberto violas Shamanic training at least at the beginning of his training program And i did that after. I did from after hours and i believe after i did the work in the cave. No i did it before. He did the work in the cave. But i'm what what it comes down to is in some traditional cultures in north america at but not all of them from what i understand There are various rituals and as a coming of age. Or when there's a big change in your life you would basically go out with a loincloth and a knife or whatever. The traditional minimal garb was and You would live in the wilderness fasting until you had a vision and you'd come back with your vision and quite often. This was done For young men when they'd get to you know age about adolescence of celebrate adulthood and it varies other special times for life. And if you're more on the the medicinal side of things more on the spiritual side of things you might do regular fast so in solitude and it's a long standing tradition not even just in north america. I have a encyclopedia of shamanism around here. Somewhere that looks at these practices around the world. So there's a long history of doing this. And i don't think it's fair for anyone culture to say that they own fasting because the people in india china it's a global thing in fact one of the guests on the show Dan brown who i believe is at harvard He's translated the thirteenth century. Texts direct from sanskrit Looking at mystery writer no no. He has the same name as miss redder. This is a really experienced either psychology or psychiatry professor who also knows sanskrit translates thirteenth century cave yoga texts about how to do breathing and fasting in caves. I like this goes way back. And it's a universal thing in my case in two thousand eight given. I didn't quite yet. No out properly work with the spiritual side of things that the way i know. Now i just connected through serendipity with someone who could take me out and it was It was interesting to say. The least. Because i didn't know what to expect. And when you go on a on a spiritual path and do some kind of transformative thing and it can be anything transcendent at you. Get an idea and it constitutes in the back of your mind and it percolates and eventually you feel called to do it. Same thing happened. When i went to mount kailash in the very remote part of western tibet which is kind of the mount olympus of The mount olympus of the east where the gods live if you're hindu buddhist. This is the home of them. No one ever would climbing the mountain but you walk into to showers back. So i just heard about this for ten years in the opportunity presented itself when i was in nepal the garden on a bus to to To lhasa it just happens right. So this was of those situations where i just felt like you know i. I don't know i need to do this. But i knew part of it was i had issues with just being afraid of being alone and a lotta people have this and what i learned through my personal development processes of just becoming lamb is that fear is never a rational thing. Fear isn't thought it. It's a feeling so feelings. Don't have to have any reason for them. But this is something that will drive people to be in bad relationships longer than they should. Ill drive stain job. That's bad for them. Dumb it'll drive them to to not look inward because as long as there's someone else around you can look there. So i thought i i have residuals duffer on that. I also eat when i even. I'm lonely and i'm afraid of fasting. I know that if i fast i'm act like a jerk and i've been three hundred pounds. I'd want to do that. So i'm like okay. This is great. Four days indicate there's a spiritual aspect to it. I'm gonna push my loneliness fear. I mean officially hunger fear. But there's no people there's no food so there's no temptation and let me see what happens. That was why i did it. I lost your first four day fast. I mean to just jump into the deep end like that. You know Must've taken some courage there. So when you emerge from this cave What what insights did did did you have then about about. How revolutionary fasting can be the thing that just blew my mind. okay. I was of the mindset and this before i wrote the bulletproof diet and i've been teaching letterman fast for more than ten years. We've lost a million pounds on the stuff that i do my books but i didn't know any of that and for me. I was thinking. I'm going to be so weak like i'm going to get picked up at the end of this and i'll probably just be zombie on the the fourth day. When it was time to get picked up during the fast you have a cell phone but not a smartphone and in the morning. You wake texted space. I'm not dead and then you get texts thumbs up and then you turn off the phone and you're all by yourself but what happened is i. I got a text all the trail head at noon. Or whatever and then like you know what Walk to this other cave. I know that other person. I'm feeling so good. So i poured almost my water and kept a canteen. Throw my sleeping bag. May jack my backpack. And i was just like glowing with energy way more than i'd had in a long time and i ended up getting lost in the desert and i climbed the wrong mountain. No and it's getting to the sunshine is and i'm like you know i grew up in the desert. I knew survival in mountaineering. All you've water. It's not going to be ready. I had. I had one canteen full of water. You who wants to carry three gallons of water with your but it was I didn't have a concern in the world. I'm like things are things are fine. And i was so full of. I coulda walked a marathon. I ended up walking about ten miles with no food for four days. And i wasn't sore wasn't tired. I just felt great the whole time. You know right or battery almost dead. Of course i just found my way to the right road and found extra a road and found the truck and everything was good. But the fact that i could walk around feeling fantastic just enjoying the sky looking all the cactus in the snakes and the creatures the desert not a care in the world without any food. Like are you kidding. That was completely transformative. Because i realized you know that feeling that you have. It's if i don't eat them gonna die. It takes you three months to starve to death. Maybe two months depending on your metabolism if you skip lunch or skip breakfast not starving. Not even in the world of starving. But that's what your body believes. That's what your body makes you feel and then you act on it. That helped me to see that. It was one of the reasons that i felt really comfortable with. Intermittent fasting is one of the very early people. Talking about this as a thing you can do and that was a big inspiration for the beginnings of the bulletproof diet. Now why did you start proof. What will what was the what was the. What did you feel like. It was missing in the market at that time. Wow that's a big question. I know in order to lose one hundred pounds that i've lost an have kept off for a long time. I i struggled. I mean. I was a raw vegan. I did liquid diets various types even going back into the eighties. Hi i'm talking like. I'm sixteen trying liquid diet because i'm fat and look. I can lose twenty pounds in a week in. You gained thirty two weeks later and these aren't eating disorder things. These are sincere. Desire to lose fifty or one hundred pounds that need to go I tried atkins fifty one hundred pounds. Which is an early form of kito. And it took me ten more years in thousands of papers in just deciding to take control of my own biology to get the other pounds to stay off. And i looked at every diet book out there and all of them focused on just one thing and the guys know so. I wrote the bulletproof diet because this is a died. That accounts for things that have become major. Transit had intermittent fasting had kito cyclical. it had. don't eat omega six seed oils instead. He grasped animals and things like that It had avoid plant. Toxins like leptons that are causing inflammation for you and of course you donate sugar so it had five things that have basically become more and more trendy over less than years all in one book because you have to do them all if you want the maximum human performance. But that's why i wrote the book. I started the blog. Because i've run an anti-aging nonprofit group in palo alto to belly. And i did it for more than ten years. I was the only guy under fifty in the room. And i'm learning so much precious knowledge from a and were four minutes from google's headquarters and knowing from google ever shows up and like don't they understand. This is the stuff that makes her brain better. So that makes you stay on like this is so precious and i realize the problem was the language so i sat down with my board and i said guys. We should start sharing this in a blog. Me do some video and all this stuff and they argued for three months over the name of the blog. And i just i was like you know what it's okay this doesn't have to be non is just gonna be my blog so i started writing all of this knowledge accumulated from more than a decade of intense self experimentation and research. I'm just gonna put it out there. Five people read the blog and when they read the blog. It's going to help them. Not suffer the way i suffered. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars recovering my health and becoming as healthy as i am now. Actually a lot of that on the upgrades. It's more than a million dollars but a lot of that. I didn't need do i didn't need to suffer for a decade. I didn't need to do all that. i just needed. Clear guidance so i put it down. I know it's going to help a few people and turns out more than if few people are inter- said and it took off with like developers entrepreneurs in silicon valley. Then wall street and from there. It went to hollywood and the recording industry because these are all people with high mental demand who they want to look they wanna feel a certain way but this was oh people earned their brains to work ensure they wanna look good but they went their brains to work. Because who cares if you look if you can't remember your lines read and always have more work to do and if you're sitting in a meeting in your asami it's a dead meeting and you know it. I lived that way growing my grand silicon valley and i was faking it and there are a lot of people taking right now. I just want to sincerely not let people do that. I had a vp level. Job at a public company was stock options. When i started bulletproof it was not meant to be business when i decided to make coffee. And mc t oil but especially coffee. That didn't have toxins in it. So i could find coffee. That wouldn't give me a headache and make me wanna punch people might be one hundred people care. The market size for clean coffee was zero. And it's one hundred million dollar category the market size frenzy. T was nothing. It's a billion dollar category for collagen protein billion dollar category. And i did all through those. Because you couldn't buy it and i just make stuff you can't buy are you the one that like made. Mcat like the thing to buy like that was me. I never there was a point where i never heard about before. And then there's a point where i heard it all the time as you knock it off and then there's some subtle chemistry involved in making in the right way. Yeah i made. Mcat the thing. I did some this morning. And i'm as to jacked up. What what do you recommend for it. I usually love it. But today. I think i took to dry too much. Your coffee up to my heart is pounding coffee. The cures another cops gone is so you could go off the cliff and then return back to normal. I'm by the way. I'm leaving your. I mean i blame your coffee. i'm seeing it. That's my own fault for taking drinking. I was so excited to talk to you today. I was so excited. Talk to you. Tell you that. I i was like i'm gonna to. I'm going to wear the glasses. I'm going to have five cups of. Mci of your call five four cups of bulger video. But i had a couple of had a couple and then but i but both of them had you then. He gave me butter as well. You all these things to put it. I put it all in one put on. Why does does it. Yeah like why is my heart. Goes out of his chest right now. That's just caffeine. Okay got over caffeinated. And that's a simple thing what happens with. Mcat's your body especially if you haven't done and keto diet or in the intermittent fasting ever before your vote is all thank god. I finally got the ability to make more electrons in my metal conduit and your neurons light up the same way. I felt on that fourth day of fasting. I was running all in key towns as part of the reason. I was so energetic. You get that when you drink volker coffee because the mcat that specific kind. That's in their turns into ketone very efficiently in the body and soul. The on your neurons have more electrons. They did before so now. You've got too much and you're like yeah. I got the energy and that combinations. Pretty potent yeah. I'd say like math on. Give me a marathon if you get too much caffeine that there's some called l. It's an amino acid. That helps you. Chill out i do. I should've taken that. Have some radio take like three hundred grams of that. It'll like see it on my desk but okay. So you're you're you're story is very interesting. I mean you. You said once like Ugliest houses interview. That like you had more estrogen than your mom. Or something. And i was twenty six and west hostile and than her and that was you know you had health the point here is you had. I'm not knocking people with but the point here is that you had certain health situation condition that you didn't know later on an syndrome like fibromyalgia every lime disease. Every bad thing toxic mold was everything battled arthritis a high risk of stroke and heart attack. Prediabetes it was all in there before. I was thirty and by the way. It's okay to knock people learnt as around guys and women if you're low on testosterone and you know it in a lab test you can fix it you either change your sleep and change saturated fat intake. And if that doesn't work you can use external bio identical testosterone. The way i do. And it'll change your brain change your life. It will give you your zest for life back right and there's no. It's just like taking a thyroid hormone or anything else. If you're low and your body's not making it you can take control of your biology and you will love your life when you do it and it has side effects were or yeah you might like your bedroom activities better. But that's not what you do it. You do it because it makes you like you. Why find like. I'm really into weightlifting. And i find that that just naturally increases my yes pasta-roni heavy lifting will do it. But but you know there's like an insult that's going around though they they call people like soya's or whatever like i don't i don't like that. I don't like insulting people. Insulting people is rude. And it's unnecessary and it means you're insecure. Yeah in in your belief system. And i'm just curious about my belief system. You know if. I'm wrong well something. I like to see the evidence and tested. What i recommend to people has been extensively tested and it's directionally accurate and it's to the test of time but hey i'm sure there's some tweaks i could do again. Maybe maybe i need to take my glasses off at some point. Of course i created the company in wrote the patents on why they work so i'm pretty sure they work but you show me. They don't change my behavior and it's okay right. Yeah so you yes. You're right so you you really interesting your book you say going without doesn't mean going without everything well. This is a common theme. I feel you talk about that throughout this book. You know like It it you can still try. This faster You have this rule right like a certain amount of days. Can you tell us this role that you talk about in your book and so people can get started on the right foot sure. The definition of fasting is to go without. And what fasting is. It's to show the body that it's not going to die when you don't get something that you feel like you need and for me. I felt like i needed to be around people all the time or i would get stressed right my body thinking that i was going to die if i didn't know it was not a true thing but it's a thing that felt true and you feel like if you don't have lunch you're starving in fact you probably say it like i'm starving. Let's go eat. Well you're not actually starving. It just feels like that. That's because you're having hunger cravings because you haven't learned how to eat the right stuff or you haven't learned how to fast and you can fast from masturbation you can fast from alcohol. You can fast carbs. It's called decatur diet. You can pass from animal products. It's called making yourself sick with vegan. Diet mean you can do all these things but fasting is simply saying. I think i need this. I'm gonna show myself that. I don't for some period of time. You can fast from error. It's called breath work. And it's oh i'm going to breathe out and hold my lungs empty for ten whole seconds. The first time you do that it's gonna feel really anxious eventually. You know what i can on this. I know that at a certain point heirs right thing but your anxiety goes on every time you fast from something you think you need. It creates more free energy for the rest of your life. Once you show yourself that you didn't need it as bad as you thought you did. And even with the people are really ready. You can only have water during a fast. I dunno guys. I know some people think you can't even have water. They shop fast without water. So which one is the real fast in the reality is. Let's look at the biochemistry fasting so whenever you go twelve hours without food you've done a little miniature fast and a lot of people do that without knowing it and there's evidence that says benefits start to kick in but if you do fourteen or sixteen or eighteen hours without food you a lot more benefits but you don't have to do it every day and you might find that it works better every day but a lot of people say well. I felt really good on a fourteen hour fast. So i started doing eighteen fast and then i did them every day and then once a week i would just only once a day so i was doing twenty three hour fast and then every weekend. I fast two days if it works you. That's great but for a lot of people they because it worked at first they keep doing it more and more and more and it's over fasting increase a lot of biological stress and see women messing with your hormones. I sleep than hormones than with with minutes sleep. Then it's a different hormone but you've basically wake up without a kick stand and then getting here and it's over fasting so discuss some is good doesn't mean more is better so it's like a comfortable housing and there is a working fast and there's a spiritual fast and we talked about the spiritual fast and there's some cool things that happened there but i'll i'll talk a bit more about this parasite a minute a working fast k. You've got two kids running around the house. Maybe i do right and are not at school like you'd want him to be. You're trying to focus on this meeting and trying to get something done and you've never fasted before and you had a glass of water for breakfast what's going to happen is you're going to get angry and you're going to be cold and you're probably gonna get shaky from Hypoglycemia feel crap. You're not going to show up in your life so you're not going fast again because it's too miserable. Well there are hacks for fasts that allow you to the metabolic benefits of fasting. Metabolism becomes stronger and more flexible. And you're not even thinking about food and when you do that you develop a vaccine practice in you do that for a few months. And i guess i could have just water but i'll probably have black coffee and oh tomorrow's tired. Maybe i'll make it a bulletproof but the science about what's happening in the body. We understand it now no way. We didn't ten years ago. And you maintain this amazing system called autophagy where your body. Instead of digesting food. it digests old cells. That are zombie cells or cells. That are week. Think of it. If you have like one of those little las vegas billboards. A couple of bulbs dim. What you'd want to replace the demoines when you stop eating all the time. Your body has the digestive energy to digest the week bulbs and grow new strong ones. And it's a really powerful thing because you're not going to get diabetes if you skip breakfast most mornings and thing return on investment. I've spent no money no time no energy on breakfast. I felt better that morning than when i eight. And then i didn't get diabetes. Like i got paid up front and i got returns that day and i got returns next year. It's a fantastic. It sounds amazing. The million billion dollar question is is how can you over when you feel that urge you know because you you distinguish between hunger in craving and that was actually really. I mean that was really important. it was a car you know like i'm not gonna die. You know you have this craving like if i don't satisfy it right and and they even i can train myself to overcome in in in many different areas of my life. Like you talk about you. Know like You know we we meditate. You say because we're fasting from thinking like that phrasing. I like that you. There's various things we do to train us to give us. The muscle to be able to not be ruled. Isn't it doesn't all this. Come down to not being a slave to our cravings in a in a way. I think it comes down to not being a slave to your mind oke andrea. The these are ancient bacteria. They're embedded in every cell in your body. They sense the world about a quarter second before you become aware of it and they make decisions. They make neurotransmitters they make hormones and they make energy and they believe that you are walking petri dish and they do not care that you're in there right. You're an unwelcome guest. Their job is to keep them alive and make sure you reproduce so they follow the rules that every life form does if it's scary. Take all energy put their run away from killer hide and then if you have more energy use it to eat everything which is why we everything and if you have energy left after that have sex with everything else. Because that's all life does right and pretty much. That's everything everyone's ever done that they're shamed of comes from one of those three things and they're all driven by ancient code written in bacteria and that means when you get that sensation of oh my god i have to eat. It's quadrille ancient bacteria going right. And why they're telling you that. Maybe it's 'cause your blood sugars this regulated. Maybe it's because he ate something in your last meal that caused perturbation the system and their saying you got to have energy right now and so a craving is an intense desire to eat. I didn't know that you could feel hungry. Because i thought cravings were hunger. And i'm feeling hungry manhattan. Really wants him to wait fifteen minutes. But i gotta really soon. That's a craving. hunger is is you what my energy levels are. A little bit low I probably would be better off eight next couple of hours. But i could wait. A day hungers gentle thing and it's not a scary thing but cravings are intense and people eat the a lot of things that cause cravings. What you find from. Fasting is if you wake up in the morning at my stomach's growling ahead this gnawing hunger. I just woke up. Well it's what you ate for dinner. That's what did it and so the meal before the fast causes cravings and talk in fast this way okay. Here's the five classes of things that you can eat 'cause cravings it might not cost cravings for you but it probably does so. Why don't you not eat any of those next meal and then. Ti easier. Fast as i have some of those in the meal after that and see how easy or fast as and i've led about thirty thousand people through a fasting challenge. I teach them how to do this for free. Just read the bogere w the book fastest way dot com. It's a free course. Where i'm teaching the book to people and the whole point there is if people can sign up for it like it's a gift i just. I want this knowledge out there. And what you find. Wow you know. Some days are really intense. Hunger in sunday's aren't and it's totally totally up to you and then you realize i don't want it anymore because it's not compatible with me because it makes me starving if eat food that makes you hungrier. The food didn't work. That's really good. I mean that's profound does that does that mean every does that. Put everything in my life. Everything in terms of cravings or y- like that principle that apply to to relationships you know to attraction to people I don't think it does to relationships and attraction. I mean you studied that extensively with relationships though that basic mitochondrial thing but your body is actively sensing in ways you don alike fair modes and you know. There's studies i've talked about him on on radio where men will smell good to a woman and then he's attractive but if there's a phenotype mismatch the guy won't smell right but if the woman on birth control pills that monitor that modify hormones. She can't smell the guy and there's actually divorces that have happened because of women goes off the pill and her l. century like my husband doesn't snuggie mike. I'm not attracted at all and then you know that's a big part of it physical attraction. This is why okay keep it have like scratch and sniff option for years right. Well we're on the same wavelength again in the same. Be a scratch and sniff option no. You're you're upset right but you okay. I'll focus on on the principle singer book for a second because you know there's there's so many diets out there and as reading going through because like i wonder what he thinks of like the kito diet you know like what do you think you know so i would like to just hone in on that because i tried the i and made me angry. It really did. And can you explain to me. The science of this white minks. The bulletproof diet was one of the first modern kito books. But it said use kito as a scalpel as a tool and use it selectively. And don't stay in ketosis time. Use them t- oil when you want to get some key towns that have a lot of benefit some days gopher three four five days without eating carbs but they need some carbs and the keto diet kind of devolved to. If it's not a carb you could eat it and you know kind of the kito bro. Mindset and carbs bounds. Way up it and then you get companies like oh well. I'm gonna make a coffee with milk protein isolate which is a garbage protein. That's like a waste product. We aim get rid of it for. They put it in their wolski. Denounced sugar guys. You canola oil near you. Put like garbage proteins that causes cravings in fact some milk proteins breakdown and talked about in the book into something that sticks to the opiate receptors in the brain. You're gonna want more that the next day. Yeah gluten does as well as gluteal morphine and this is why you have a piece of bread. You're gonna want one the next day and the next day and the next day and so you just realize some foods are craving masters and some of them aren't and what you find eating. The right kinds of fat and more fat is incredibly satisfying but eating the wrong kinds of fat. Makes you hungrier and makes you more plant. And so who would have thought it's not about. How much fat. Or how many calories it's about the right kind of a and the right kind of protein when you kito. You are probably eating artificial sweeteners. You are probably eating low quality cheap proteins they put in kito kito mass gainer five thousand and all the products like that because you can say keyed on anything that sugar free but you should be on a moderate protein high healthy fat. Kito and magic happens. You fell a garbage all the time in part because if you lost weight your gut bacteria got really stressed they pumped out lipopolysaccharide which caused brain fog and talk about how to hack that in the book. There's a couple of supplements that completely eliminate that and if you're losing weight your fat cells are full of mercury and pesticides actually stores it there and so losing weight and you're not 'binding the toxins as you lose weight you get brain fog from it when people do the stuff that i've been teaching for while which is eating the right foods to be in ketosis for brief periods of time. They don't get the cato flu. Tyron recently started hosting the psychology podcast on anchor. 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After this call on the title of it is do smokers have free will and they did a large review of the literature Amongst those who are addicted to smoking and Those who were able to quit to actually just try to ask the question like You know just. How much are we a slave to those kinds of impulses. When we're addicted to smoking. They found that people overestimated the extent to which they would never be able to quit. They overestimate kind of in the moment. When they were addicted they said there's no way in the world. I could ever not be addicted to smoking. I'll die if i don't smoke for two three days but he found that That people were like ninety percent of a sample. Were shocked like a week went by two three weeks eventually. They're like oh am. I've been thinking about smoking anymore. It's just something. I'm not even thinking about so you just made me think of that literature because i just wonder if there's like a just like a mind bogglingly profound truth of the world here which is that. We need to really not listen. So much to our our our cr- our cravings about anything in a way like we need not take them so seriously like they're they're telling us that we're gonna just die if we don't like. Oh you need to watch that poured movie. You're gonna die. It's like no no no. I'm not going to die. But here's where that feeling comes from and talked about fasting from cornyn here. I know there's like the one trillion anxious bacteria and they form a distributed intelligence and really complex behaviours emerge when you run simple rules unfathomable numbers of times. And we've proven this. Mathematically it's like a new branch of of math around emerging behaviors. And so what's happening. Is these little guys who get to see things and make decisions before it rolls up through your performance cortex and using it to pay attention to it And they're going If we don't reproduce the species it's a bad thing in every guy who's ever been in bed having sex going. I'm not gonna right now all the sudden right before it happens like you know what it's a really good idea that right now the most important thing on planet i'm going to do it and just five seconds. I'm not going to. I'm not going to who flip that. Switch it it's the same guy who when you leave on a hot stove and you didn't know what you pulled your hand away and good thing. I pulled my hand away. Even though you did employ your hand away on matic was that guy. Yeah they're in charge right and they really wanna make sure the species reproduces. They really wanna make sure doesn't kill you because you might be the last human on earth into the end of the species so you're gonna eat the goddamn chips and that's how it is right and if that might be scary. It doesn't matter if you know it's just your boss telling you did a crappy job but it feels like death so you're going to runaway killer hide and you're gonna yell at your boss you're gonna go home and mope or do whatever you're coping behaviors until you do your personal work so the whole process of personal development is training the micon drill distributed intelligence to sit rollover bag and behave itself. Everything you do and the reason it's so sneaky. It can hide things from you and also it can turn down. The energy and willpower comes from electrons and have the studies to prove that they're in. I think in superhero. No know and headstrong book. Where we there's actually studies. Willpower goes down when the amount of free electricity in the body goes down. So these guys like we can pull every trick in the book and we get to do it before you have permission. So of course. It's hard to do it but when you guys you're going to sit with that popcorn on your nose the way. The dog does before he's lead. 'cause i'm not eating until two o'clock this afternoon and you can do it with willpower and muscle through it and spiritual fast or you could say. Tell you i'm gonna give you an alternate fuel that will cause you to become stronger. So you'll stop pestering me about food. Either one works. I love this. Can we get more until like the kind of mentality we can develop to sustain. This food related lifestyle. Like let's see. I wanna wake up tomorrow morning and like i'm a new man. I'm the fastest way lifestyle. What are other things in my armor. My mental armor. That i can do one of the things. Ask yourself it. is this true and the is this. True question is like okay. I feel like i'm starving. I know it's not true right. And that's actually byron. Katie is is the one who has done the most work on that in most of the urges and cravings that you have around food are completely not true and then you learned. Ask yourself a question. Is this biologically compatible with me. And there's a part of you this is your motto concepts but he's labor full and delicious and i want to eat it and it's going to be you know crispy or whatever and then there's another party that says i always feel like crap money that but anyway so eventually you cultivate a mindset. That says i eat food. That's compatible with me. And then you have to find flavorful boot. That's can you where most people go wrong. I'll have the kale salad. Kill tastes like crap. Kale makes you hungry. Kayla's full of toxins doesn't have enough energy to power anything. It's not a very good source. In fact it'll make your fasts worse. And i talked about the two major toxins and kale then why. That's biologically real in the book. But it's maybe not kill. It could be something else but eventually you know what that looks like something. That is going to nourish me. It is going to leave me full of energy and after eight that i'm going to have a food. I not like the sugar caffeine food high. But the man. I got everything i needed. I feel so good. I'm not going to think about food for six or eight hours and you don't and someone puts donuts for new. You just don't want him as you realize those donuts pasco with me. It's positive you've can put in front of a. Yeah whatevs you can measure my salivary. Output like masdar. There is nothing. There's hope they're not food like an in. It's not that there's wallpaper and and there's no shame or guilty that's up. It's just that when you're used to running at your at the power capable of the the the limitless move the bulletproof that the state of high performance was the first tagline for the. It's hard to put words to having the amount of energy and focus and clarity in willpower and control in happiness in my life. And i know that there's something's not eat that i'm gonna enjoy it but i'm gonna pay way more than that of the enjoyment and so i wanna feel like this all the time because this is the most precious thing on earth energy because think about it. There's three big things that we think about for resources. We think about dollars. Think about time and we think about energy but most people don't think about energy and it's kind just there is not there. They don't manage it. So i know this because i had no energy by the time i was thirty like i bought disability insurance and i wouldn't have hired myself. I had accelerated all the way to the floor. And i was slowing down. I didn't know what to do. That's what motivated meeting create stuff created. But when you have no energy if you have time you sleep all the time. That's all you do when you have no energy and you have money you spend all your money gear and be back and i did that. I spent all of the money. I had sometimes and then some because i was desperate to feel normal much less the way i feel now which is a whole different level and what you realize. Is that everything you do. You invest some amount of energy and it has a return on energy because with energy you can make time and you can make money but if you have no energy time and money become useless so you start thinking about food right. What's it gonna do my energy right. Oh that's not it. So what else would taste amazing and be satisfying and delicious and fulfilling. That is going to give me more energy and you choose that in presenting like. I don't want the skittles right because i won't. I won't feel the energy. But what else could i do. That would be really satisfying eat high in dark chocolate. You know you can. It's much better choice very nice. It's not being perfect. It's about just making something. That's a better decision than the one that you would have made before. Eventually you just get used to feeling man. I don't know the right word for the there's a it's it's a federal How do you feel right now and the end of the day for me. It's like four in the afternoon. Yeah i've been on a ninety minute. Podcast i've been in management things. I had some difficult. hr's up to deal with. i've been fundraising I film using like. I have so much energy. I had lunch a couple hours ago. It was a twenty four hours after my meal before that. So i had lunch yesterday today and i wasn't hungry there was no i didn't think about food i'm like i'm totally good to go in. If i hadn't had lunch it was like oh my wife made. It does lamb burgers from our own lamb on our organic farm. Like i'm eating at. But i wasn't hungry. I waited till dinner. Just because i had a busy day. But it's the the dialed in. I don't grasp for words. I don't mind can do whatever i wanted to do. And my body feels good. My joints aren't sore. The way they have in for a lot of my life like everything's working and it's working with so little friction that why would it come up the works and when you realize that you're capable of feel that way and by the way. Try intermittent fasting. You do with who. I'm talking about with a specially with the bulk of stuff. You might feel at the first day if not you'll feel by the end of the week like whoa like i am clearer than had been in a long time. I had forgotten in. Fact knew that i could feel like that. But forty eight. And i have more energy than i did when i was twenty eight and i look at my brain response. Time on quantitative. Eeg scott measures before fifty. Probably know what that is. I have the average brain response time for audio and visual stimulation of a twenty year old. What about Your telomeres what what. How would how were you in terms of your telomeres. well it depends which ones you measure. Until measurement is a a suspect science. Because they're pulling blood and blood till change changing length all the time so different tissues in the body have different telomere length and the real waiting at deal would be to basically do a muscle biopsy from different sites in the body which is painful and no one's going to do that. Sound fun you get a very different result than if you just do a blood one. So i have seen blood. Ones vary by up to twenty years taken one week apart so oh well that's too much error and it's too. Yeah exactly. it's a lot of noise. So i've been younger and i've been as old as i am but i don't really trust those but i look at my arterial flexibility with pulse wave analysis and have the average flexible arteries of a twenty four year old. I have the grip strength of and eighteen year old. And i don't train all this stuff like it's just natural but all that's a side effect. I just wanna feel amazing. All the titanic. Well it's it's by and this is coming back from a three hundred pound wrecked biology. But i'm gonna finish this. I mean have another internal call from company. I'm going to go in and friday night. I'm gonna make dinner with the kids. We're going to have dinner. Maybe watch a movie or something right. And i'll be an attentive awake alert. Father has not zoned out on the couch. Drinking a beer. And i'm going to sleep like a rockstar tonight. Last night i got to enough hours. A deep sleep in two hours of sleep sleeping seven hours a total sleep and it's easy. This is easier than anything. I've ever done before because i have so much energy. This is why. I wrote fastest way if half the country learned intermittent fasting and learned to not listen so much to that voice. This as i'm starving. I'm afraid i need this. I need. I need which all eventually drives to fear. Imagine with would look like you have enough energy to take care of the people around you. Not just yourself like i. I want that world. It's it's possible. Well not only that. But all the less food that we'd be eating we can give to third world countries where people are starving. You know in in deathly deathly lay You know you said someplace that you you said you know why al live to be one eighty could you. You still could be could you. To one eighty at least one hundred and eighty. I don't wanna save you are you're like yearly your coca man like you you you. You don't think small do here's the deal. I'm okay to die trying but we know people can do one twenty in fact ladies one hundred seventeen just got cove in survived so current best. A current best is one twenty. These were people born when there were no cars. They fought were on horseback twenty years after they were born I mean it's it's a completely different world. There was no no antibiotics no dna because they couldn't spell it because they know it existed. We didn't understand we couldn't share pub. Ed i guess use the pony express back then. I have no idea but like if they can do it. And we can't do fifty percent better over the next hundred twenty years hundred forty years of life you know what is because a common the planet or because we destroyed all of our topsoil with synthetic beef production or some kind of weird thing that we ourselves otherwise i will not be alone. There are many people who weren't just hustled over or hunched over hollow shells. Don't remember their name. I'm talking working brain working memory enough to finally have solved some of the things that i wanted to solve in my own life and others and enough wisdom to share and give back like we need our village. Elders should be full power. And it's happening. The tech is here is arriving every single day at an exponentially increasing rate. I've been involved in that field for twenty years and finally happening man majett like me. We do a podcast. When we're both one hundred eighty years old what we would look like. Are you our chins down to the. We should look about like we do now. Dude we are right now. There's things like peptide signaling and microelectrics things in pulse. Electro-magnetic very subtle changes. You can make so we can drive collagen synthesis in skin already right so we we are to the point now. Even david sinclair a friend from harvard. For the first time he stands up and says we can reverse biological aging in sales. And i studied this a lot i went around. I did all the stuff that crazy. You're billionaires. I've had a ton of my stem cells taken out and put into my brain and burrell's you can think of and what you find is that we know so much more now than we ever did and it's so incredibly cheap you get your dna sequence for a couple of hundred bucks. That would have cost one hundred million dollars when i was starting my career. That's only in whatever. Thirty years thirty years. I've talked about one hundred years right so our ability to change ourselves to be the age wanna be energy want to be and to be the kind people that were actually wired in ourselves to be. It's coming. it's better now than it's ever been and it's hard to see that if you're tired and sick and listening to this and you're the doctor and he kinda see for three minutes and hand you a bottle pills. That's not the future. I really hope. I hope this is hope to right. There's a lot of with. I do a lot of work to do. In this relief there is a lot of work to do put man. The work is easier than ever before. Scott were in different countries on opposite sides of the planet plan of the continent or looking at each other over video right now recording at a miracle. That is it's it's absolutely baracca suissa. Where are you right now. I'm in victoria british labelle. Okay yeah annoying. It is absolutely miraculous wondering if we're still going to go with the same rates you know that we have were not Intrigues exponential so it's totally exponential in my whole career in silicon valley. Shown me this over and over because the tech. That's letting us do. This is letting other people's share information more quickly than ever before. Now we're using artificial intelligence to learn things about biology that we could only dream of even five years ago so it's exponentially getting faster and faster. The only question is whether you know. Evil corporations are bad. People will try to you know. Prevent stuff like that from rolling out. They can't that's why we have biomarkers. Hackers find stuff. We share it. You know something does worry me though. Is that stuff can be expensive. The only ones that are going to be you know one hundred years older like the billionaires everyone else dies. Is that the kind of world we wanna worry. So if you think about it. The first cell phones or the billionaires they spend forty thousand dollars and took up the trunk of their mercedes. Three hundred twenty five dollars a minute and you'd see him driving down in. La the tv producer. I think he is and you can my cell phone for dollar africa. Thirty years later k. Yes the billionaires will be the first people to live to one hundred eighty 'cause they're going to spend billions of dollars to do it and guess what they're gonna do then they're going to say. Hey i think. I'd like my kids will have one hundred eighty two. I have to commercialize this and when people see that happening. This technology does not get shared. There will be pitchforks. This this is a fundamental. Human rights should be shown fit for one hundred years where everyone you know dies because you didn't hear the stupid thing you figured out. no they. Don't either. I some of these guys are my friends. I've met them because a lot of them use bulletproof. I've sat down with them. They're putting hundreds of millions of dollars into research on aging. They don't wanna keep it to themselves. They wanna build companies out of it. They want to bring into the world because frankly a world full of people who are old and sick and dying is not the world any of us wants to live in. And if you're going to be one hundred eighty years. Are you really going to throw that. Plus rapper on the ocean. Because you're going to eat it one hundred years from now. no absolutely. I completely agree. i do. You think you'll live longer than kurzweil. Given his weird diet probably affiliate. There's like a competition among the long live forever guys like i'm going to. I'm younger than he is. So the younger you are the more years you have for the technology to catch up but the the odds are pretty good there and i have enormous respect for acres. While i mean he's been a transformative guy in silicon valley As a legend. He's a legend absolute legend. And i'm Yeah i. I'm not sure it would change his diet but his rejoin agent. I didn't fly with most of the people the anti-ageing that i worked with but he's an innovator like me right like i i would pick his brain on my shamsher. 'cause he's a brilliant brilliant guy shocked. Never in your podcast you know. When he wrote his last book was supposed to come on and something as something came up and we never connected was his book transcend. No it was Both have the same book. Titles it was the one before that it was like a girl's name. It was actually the best written book. I've ever seen to just explain to to people even two kids. Like here's how technologies coming fantastic lucy or something. Cool yes. You talk about different types of fasting in your book. And i could explain the sixteen eight fast to peter. The sixteen. eight fast is the most popular. Intermittent fasting That means you don't eat for sixteen hours eve radars and if you're new to fascinating what except here's what this means. Have dinner have a little bit early in fact eating dinner early. Make sleep better mcgilla longer. It's really good for you. So let's say you're done eating at six. Pm got about ten. That was four hours. You sleep eight hours. That was twelve hours. That's twelve hours if you wake up at six. Am and by ten am. That was just sixteen hours. Lemon have dinner dinner by six. Have breakfast ten. You can do this. You had a late breakfast right. i can do that. I can do that you can so. That's a sixteen eight fast but then again. What if you just waited till lunch right now. You've got an eighteen hours in eighteen six fast. And that's more convenient and what you do is you. Add in The the three fasting hacks from the book either at eight. Am or ten am whatever you want to and one of. Them's black coffee. One of them is bulletproof coffee. And there's various biochemical reasons and other one is provided fiber. All of these. Tell your body yourself fasting but they give you electrons so all of a sudden like yeah. My brain was better than it did before right but a sixty eight fast is very achievable. And the better thing is especially if you're metabolic lianne fit. Have a chapter in the book for you. You don't have to do it every day. You do it three days a week and you get great benefits but you'll probably find you under every day because you feel better than when you ate breakfast usually breakfast because hundred years ago. Hundred fifty years ago when we had basically The invention of industrial production people would go to work in the morning and they'd worked fourteen hours without a bathroom break. I mean like. I was that and eating it a lunch break in and get any break. And so that's the only time to heat was then and then they go to bed so eventually there were riots and whatever and they got a lunch hour but we started regimented eating because of industrialization. It's never been good for us in fact it's like this. If you have thing look. I go to the gas station every tuesday and fill up now. If you didn't drive your car week you'd be stupid to go fill up but you always filled with ten gallons so you go there and you just pump the ten gallons out. What do you put in the backseat. I dunno pump it out onto the ground but you always pump at the same. That's what we're doing. What if you didn't eat until you're hungry. Oh it happen what happens you get healthier you nothing bad happened. It's mind-blowing we'll just people are on autopilot. I mean it's just it takes a book like yours from you'd be hold up. I mean i didn't. I don't eat all the time. Yeah you might feel the need to be might want to eat all the time. But then you're like well wait a minute canadian. Like creamy and fatty delicious. Would that be nearly as satisfying as that. Low fat sugar treat and you know. Why do i want the salty chip. That i know will make me in about twenty minutes. I'm gonna want more. Like what if i could have something that was salty fat bomb or you know something that had more heft to it. This the reason. I i make the call for bull trying to sell those there but i. I wanted to get something that i could eat on airplanes. That would make me hungry game because everything that you don't airplane making starving and a half hour like i'd rather starve so i eat those of you that those bars. Oh yeah college. I love the college mars. I like my my i look. I was look younger than i am anyway. But i look even younger than i already do. Culture makes a different. I know i know it. It's funny the falcons this how could this. You look like a great beauty. it's not. It's not too shabby over here is it is as zoom filter. Though there's no filter filter you look pretty good. There is though a half-life of fat in the body it takes two years to replace the fat in your body and if you go on fastest way and or your tribal providing where you're eating more grass fed butter eating more saturated fats. Your body actually will remake all of your cell membranes including your mitochondria and those become better lightbulbs better power producers over two years. Replace half the fat but collagen take seven years. No so if you eat some college everyday and your body starts incorporating the building blocks of collagen into your own college in stars over about seven years. Half the collagen. Your body's going to be replaced with properly made younger collagen shit. That's amazing i've been doing it for fourteen years now and you're like a baby pretty much. I mean that is incredible I'm going to. I'm going to keep up. i do. I do have college in every single day. So it's a really important practice every Every person around a hundred plus years ago had collagen everyday because we wouldn't throw a parts of the animal like that we would make soup from bones and skin. We ate everything. Now we just throw the rest away you need that collagen so you say that some fast are better than others. We talked about the sixteen eight one. Can you perhaps tell our listeners. Like one to stay away from. Do i d warn against some town. Yeah a warning over fasting. Okay so you know. It's one of my favorite fastest called one meal a day or mad. Sounds you know all manly. I'm going to do today. very test. A testosterone fray it. What it means. Is you biscuit that one meal. And so ideally if you were to be perfect but around two or three in the afternoon and that helps you sleep better at night and you do that. Dinnertime culture and i would normally no. But i'm truly not hungry. Jack's one food and hang out and have a good evening and you wake up the next day. You don't want breakfast. Because hungry. And then i guess i could eat so i do that sometimes but if you don't have a metabolism that works well that's going to coat is going to totally be a stressor. Is going to overwhelm you fast. Things like weightlifting right. If you go to the gym every day and you lift heavy you just get injured. You get tired and you don't put on muscle so with fasting. I tell people start gently. You don't have to do the same every day if you didn't sleep well you're hung over you haven't really rubbed a eat. Okay yeah i just. I've been talking all day. Just add some but Always eat it. It's okay to eat so people fall into this rigid fasting after. Follow the rules. I'm going too fast. And it's the same as eating three meals a day. Falling roles especially for women is really important. Like if you're just blown out today have some breakfast but have protein and fat. Don't have the stack of pancakes and once a week. Make sure you eat three times a day so that sort of unending brutal fasting it creates more biological stress. Then your body needs and fasting should be a hor- medics tressler. That makes you stronger and a lot of people in this. I have to do a sixteen eight every day when we're doing great. And then it comes time for their period and some women do great fasting there. Some women do great fasting during their period. But a lotta times there are already inflamed. There's already enough biological stress. And may