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AP correspondent Walter Ratliff has the Religion Roundup.

AP News Radio

02:09 min | Last month

AP correspondent Walter Ratliff has the Religion Roundup.

"And this week's religion roundup an AP investigation and covers abuse reporting failures in the Mormon church a Christian flag flies over Boston and Iraq's Yazidi community commemorates a tragic decade on stage Three of 6 children who accused their father of sexual abuse are suing the Mormon church for not going to authorities and letting the abuse go on for 7 years It didn't stop The eldest daughter of Paul Douglas Adams says when she reported abuse on a phone helpline it was kept within the church It didn't go away They just let it keep happening AP investigative reporter Michael resendez says the Arizona case follows a pattern found in other states The Associated Press has received nearly 12,000 pages of sealed records from another child sex abuse case in West Virginia which show that the helpline stands at the center of an elaborate system to divert child sex abuse complaints away from law enforcement And instead send them to attorneys for the church who may cover up that abuse leaving children and victims in harm's way Attorneys for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints say church officials feel they were constrained by confidentiality rules To lay at the feet of these bishops the blame for that is absurd and it's wrong Arizona's child sex reporting law says anyone who reasonably believes a child has been abused or neglected has a legal obligation to report the information The Christian flag that became the focus of a free speech legal battle that went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court has been raised outside Boston city hall The flag raising took place about three months after the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the city unjustly discriminated when it refused to fly the banner in 2017 Artists from the Yazidi community of Iraq commemorated their tragedy during a stage performance in Iraq's Kurdish region It has been 8 years since the lives of the Yazidis were torn apart by Islamic State militants The United Nations has called the attacks a genocide I'm Walter ratliff

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Seven years of sex abuse: How Mormon officials let it happen

AP News Radio

00:56 sec | Last month

Seven years of sex abuse: How Mormon officials let it happen

"Three of 6 children who accused their father of sexual abuse are suing the Mormon church for not going to authorities and letting the abuse go on for years The eldest daughter of Paul Douglas Adams of Arizona says when her father confessed to a bishop at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints it was kept in the church It didn't stop let's have them go to therapy It didn't stop Hey let's forgive and forget and this will all go away It didn't go away Adams was finally arrested when authorities discovered videos he had posted online but not before he assaulted his daughter for another 7 years and even attacked a newborn daughter the Mormon church says its bishops are excused from reporting abuse to police under Arizona's clergy penitent privilege Adams killed himself before going to trial his wife served prison time after doing nothing about the abuse I'm Donna water

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US Presbyterian Church Declares Israel 'Apartheid State'

Dennis Prager Podcasts

01:04 min | 3 months ago

US Presbyterian Church Declares Israel 'Apartheid State'

"Is an apartheid state that they will every year celebrate or not celebrate as commemorate, knock by day, knock by as the Arab word for the disaster, the disaster of Israel's founding. In 1948, and they lied about Israeli Arabs not having the same rights as Israeli Jews, but it doesn't matter truth is not a left wing value. These are the death pangs of the Presbyterian Church. Because the left is taken over and whatever the left. Touches it destroys, and that is mainstream Protestantism non orthodox Jewish denominations and mainstream Catholicism. Be interesting to see if it affects the LVS. The Mormon church. I have reasons for concern, and I have reasons for optimism. That's another topic for another time. It is a very important topic. Because

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Mormon church to require masks in temples amid COVID surge

AP News Radio

00:31 sec | 1 year ago

Mormon church to require masks in temples amid COVID surge

"The Mormon church's requiring mass in temples amid the covert search the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints has announced a mass will be required inside temples to limit the spread of cove in nineteen church leaders said Wednesday the mass will be required temporarily in an effort to keep temples open the message was the latest in a series of statements from church leaders encouraging masking and vaccination efforts in Utah where the church is based a summer surge of the virus among unvaccinated residents has continued to grow while vaccination rates have slightly increased I'm Walter Ratliff

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Mormon Vaccine Push Ratchets Up, Dividing Faith’s Members

AP News Radio

00:41 sec | 1 year ago

Mormon Vaccine Push Ratchets Up, Dividing Faith’s Members

"As the Mormon church ratchets up its push for vaccines the face members remain divided members of the faith widely known as the Mormon church remain deeply divided on vaccines and mask wearing despite consistent guidance from church leaders members who support the stance say their fear that some latter day saints who refused to get vaccinated are allowing their political views to supersede their loyalty to a fate that prioritizes unity and obedience other church members are upset that their leaders aren't letting them exercise their own personal decision making about vaccines and mask wearing the Utah based religion of sixteen million members worldwide is one of many face grappling with how to best navigate the lingering impacts of the pandemic I Walter Ratliff

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"mormon church" Discussed on Take 2

Take 2

04:20 min | 1 year ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Take 2

"A school board member who is Taking a derogatory point of view against a group of students. I think it's worth questioning. It's certainly worth questioning. Their their their gang members and their students. We wouldn't be comparing him saying out of their game rule that you never say anything. Negative isn't true time. And maybe don't wear your gain carolis about who you are. I just like you do but who you are a very broad rule that you're applying you think honest dialogue. We can jump into the on this one. I'm not picking swimsuit or you nude was supposed to be lightning this one officer lightning round short. I'm only going toe dip and then we can talk about it some other time this For the church. Jesus christ of latter saints as well as many other religions There is this interesting conversation about a generation of kids who have a very different point of view on the lgbtq community than does churches. And it's not just the church but it was an interesting juxtaposition. Was the first time i have seen a leader in the mormon church. Be that specific. About the con- the conflicts and i say internal maybe our cognitive dissidence or whatever and it was interesting that he seemed to perpetuate the disciplines. He seemed to both say we love you. And we should fight against fundamentally who you are and again. I say that just without judgment but it is a very interesting cultural issue for again many traditional orthodox churches. I feel it's two steps forward one step back like there's so much room in the arms come open and then all of a sudden the arms close again right. Yeah so. I thought it was an interesting thing this week. I thought that it was There there there was a lot that happened he. His speech was actually more interesting to me in many ways on this issue it was the i i. I have heard the church so well. That's not true when they when they said you know. You can't be a mormon if your kids are gave out was also or if your parents were gave. That was also a moment like this. But that's a lose lose. If they said we want to convert all people's kids go people have been going crazy on that one too. That was a lose lose. there was no pathway. that wasn't offensive. I found his speech. Very out of voice for what i traditionally with of him and it was just an interesting moment in which it laid clear the mixed message i thought very clearly. Well we have run out of time. I had all these other topics. I always think we can be so quick. But we're just not so. We need to talk about water issues. Next time together a legislative redistricting. They've got that three months to get that all in their super-quick and everyone keeps talking about this busy summer legislative session. Why are they so busy. What are they two so much to talk about so little time but we have run out..

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Where Mormon Doctrine and Biblical Doctrine Diverge

The Eric Metaxas Show

02:24 min | 1 year ago

Where Mormon Doctrine and Biblical Doctrine Diverge

"You're saying that there are real sticking points. Unavoidable problems between what the mormon faith teaches unequivocally. And what the bible says unequivocally so this is not just you know point of view or or something like that because i think that many people could make the case that what the roman catholic church teaches is is right. That people can twist things in other words. You can have a conversation there about. Do they believe this. Exactly this exactly. But you're saying that the lines are really bright and bold that separate mormon doctrine from biblical doctrine. In this case. So i guess my question is do you When you're talking about that you say that the lds church teaches that we can become like god. How is that different from somebody saying that. Look the scripture says that were made in his image and we will be made to be like him through the process of sanctification. And that kind of thing. I think that the eastern orthodox call it. Theo cysts in other words. That's kind of the point is that we're supposed to be more and more like him. So that's not really a problem. Where does it become a problem. Yeah so so as you mentioned biblically through the process of vacation and the holy spirit dwelling in us. We are conformed to the image of christ. We've been having airship with christ right in the kingdom of heaven but that's not what mormonism teaches. They actually teach not that we become like god but that we ourselves become gods and so eventually once. You've progressed to this. Point of god hood you then have the power authority to create your own worlds to populate those world with your spiritual and go through the same process that we are then in on this earth and so it is a complete perversion of the idea that we somehow can attain that which god now has and so And just the exclusivity of the claim that the church is the only institutional organization that has the correct power authority from god right there several organizations in the world that claim that authority in the mormon church claims that they are the actual church that jesus instituted during his earthly ministry and only with the authority and the proper ordinances contained within that organization can an individual live eternally in the presence of

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Why Autor Micah Wilder Was Threatened With Excommunication From the Mormon Church

The Eric Metaxas Show

02:13 min | 1 year ago

Why Autor Micah Wilder Was Threatened With Excommunication From the Mormon Church

"Monkey. You were saying earlier. That as you're going through this process you think anybody are thinking. Well okay Maybe i can help reform Mormonism from within whatever discovering is true and the mormons that you know they revere the word of god so they should be good with this At the same time of it doesn't work out that way. When did you get the phone. Call you or you have call elder wilder. When did that message come through. Did give us the background there. Yeah so what led up to. that is after. I'd come to this. saving faith. In revelation through the book of hebrews at the mormon church was not what it claimed to be I had actually publicly professed in front of about forty or fifty mormon missionaries. My new found faith. In jesus christ so as a missionary whose concluding my two year mission trip i was supposed to stand up and share my testimony in my testimony had radically changed from the beginning of my mission to the end and so i actually publicly professed that. I believe that jesus was all that i needed that. I was saved by his grace and not by works. And i now new for the first time in my life that i had right standing with god and the forgiveness of my sins through the shed blood of christ and so as a result of that public testimony my mormon leader ended up calling me and said we need to. We need to chat and so that was when the two of us went into a meeting and we talked for about three hours. And i very candidly shared with him. The things that i had been reading in the bible that i come to know that salvation was independent of the mormon church of any religious institution but totally dependent on christ alone told him that i no longer needed the mormon prophet or any earthly man to mediate between me and god that there was one god and one mediator in that is christ and so all of these things I came forward To him and he responded by telling me that. I was filled with the spirit of the devil And i was being deceived by satan and then he threatened excommunicate me in my mission was terminated. Three weeks early and at that point then is a twenty one year old Mormon missionary was put on a plane and sent back to utah and had to face my family and my

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How the New Testament Opened Author Micah Wilder's Eyes to the True Gospel

The Eric Metaxas Show

02:22 min | 1 year ago

How the New Testament Opened Author Micah Wilder's Eyes to the True Gospel

"Mike. Take us back now. You're nineteen years old you you kind of stumble onto this baptist minister in florida. And you're trying to convert him to the mormon faith and you kind of bumped into the wrong baptist minister because this guy because there are many baptist ministers you could run into who wouldn't wouldn't have pushed back in the way that he did probably so what happens at this point Do you continue meeting with him or do you. Just go read the bible on your own. Yes so after his challenge to approach the new testament like a child. I i accepted this invitation but it wasn't in a humble or a childlike faith. It's because i believed in my own arrogance that i could prove the mormon church truth through reading the bible exclusively and so in the mormon church we had extra biblical scripture that we were adhering to for truth. So i'd never really put the same amount of of trust into the bible is is a christian should and so i then began this process of reading the new testament daily for the remainder of my mormon mission which was about twenty months and i actually ended up reading the new testament in total twelve times from beginning to end it was through the power of the word of god that my eyes were opened and i was washed by the water of the word of god and i started to see the difference in the gospel that i was teaching as a mormon and the gospel that was revealed in the new testament and i loved what you said before the break. You know paul said should we send deliberately so the grace may abound. Will god forbid right. So as a mormon i had the cart before the horse i was trying to earn a right standing with god and trying to prove my worthiness to god believing that it was through my works that i could somehow make myself righteous not recognizing that we love god because he first loved us and so our faithfulness in the works and fruit that are produced through us is that which comes as a result of love of gratitude of faithfulness to the god who loved and saved us and so we then walk in the good works the goddess prepared before him that we should walk in them and so i came to recognize that there was this beautiful gospel. This good news that jesus love for me with so grand and vast that he paid in full measure the debt that i owe to god and god was asking of me for justification was to trust in him to believe that jesus alone was the only way to salvation.

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The Founding and Crimes of The Children Of Thunder Cult

Let's Start A Cult

01:27 min | 1 year ago

The Founding and Crimes of The Children Of Thunder Cult

"On memorial day. Nineteen ninety nine. The helzer brothers attended a murder mystery. Dinner held at their local mormon temple that evening reportedly dressed in all black and thus stood out from the rest of suburban attendees. Most of whom were start shirts and press chino's. It was at that event that justin met don goodman a single mother mother in her mid twenties. Who had recently moved into town and was working a grocery store desperate to find a direction in her life. She decided to join the mormon church although she was said to be an outcast. Much like the helzer brothers will. Don began dating just shortly after the murder mystery dinner. She was reportedly fascinated by his cares. Medical brother taylor managed to convince her to join a self awareness. Seminar which consisted of spending a few days inside a windowless room while a facilitator aggressively badgered them to confront their inner demons which sounds like most university classes. I attended so not that crazy but no absolutely ridiculous After completing two of the seminars three levels don began receiving spiritual guidance from taylor. He had become completely unhinged by this point telling her that sometime in january two thousand it was his destiny to take over the mormon church by all means necessary. He also began calling himself. Don and his brother the children of thunder claiming that it was their mission to create a state of peace and joy for everyone.

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"mormon church" Discussed on Nobody Told Me!

Nobody Told Me!

05:54 min | 1 year ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Nobody Told Me!

"Unfortunately you and i share something in common in that were survivors of abuse. And i was so ashamed of that. And i never wanted anybody to know and i figured that if i ever told a guy that i had been a victim of violence that he would run for the hills right once i decided. I need to get this out. I found out that the the right people that aren't for my friends and relationships romantic relationships. You get the people in your life. Who actually are supposed to be there. And who accept you for you. Are you change breath absolutely and if you been traumatized by something like that that is part of the culture that entraps you and in very much dot culture says you will put up with a new will stay silent and it's one of the strongest socialized behaviors because it is so layered with shame in so layered punishment. If you come out tell when. I wrote a book about my own experience Since the perpetrator in my case was my father and he was very prominent in the mormon church. I got all kinds of backlash like a death. Threats like people killed all the yard the plants in my yard. I got threats against my children. I was They were trying to arrest me on. How many put in prison. i mean it just. It was pretty gnarly and It was still worth it. Not because not just because i wanted to tell my story but because new i believed as a sociologist i believed that the religious culture. My childhood was a hotbed. So the abuse of women and girls. And i felt like okay. My truth needs to be out there to balance their story so that people who may be caught in the middle have a choice right. Because i didn't know anyone who would speak out. When i was a kid so i took that chance and i i stopped counting. Thank you letters at two thousand out. People who said i was in the same situation and and now i can talk about it so when we just end up and speak our truth we not only free ourselves but as tony morrison says the function of freedom to free someone else. Yeah what do you think..

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"mormon church" Discussed on Latter-Day Lesbian

Latter-Day Lesbian

02:36 min | 1 year ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Latter-Day Lesbian

"I think peace means snack back in the day it did. I don't know. I'm going to insert the words next man see i e c e Okay take a piece of something. Maybe i don't exercise for few minutes every morning than eat a good breakfast and do not snack before lunch unless you want to put on weight. Oh certainly those are good. Worry about that. God cares in totally. Do you remember how jesus fat shamed people wouldn't hang with. Yeah he in some places. You can save a lot of time by eating your hot meal in an inexpensive restaurant or boardinghouse. Why is this a in this writing. Because because mormons are used to having all the instructions Put out before them so somebody has to read the instruction because this lady missionary she's gonna tell the lady missionaries outs done Because she's had beaten to her how you're supposed to do it. Who makes her the authority. She hasn't authorities. She just happened to write the article. K make weekly menus and shop for as long a period as possible. This saves time and money and you will not buy as many high calorie treats denton. Do not have food fad. Where you eat the same things every day Weird watch those oriented. Watch him walk at least one hot meal per day. This is so dumb. What if you're into salads. No you saying. We warming up the fucking microwave. Ups be asked lettuce tomato. All right if you are one pound overweight it is too much. Take it off shit exactly shit and it comes. Aw good god of the mormon church. I am so sorry this sucks. Here's one instead of stopping at a bakery for a quick lunch. Stop at the store and buy a yogurt. Some cottage cheese or some such prepared healthy food carry an apple or raw vegetables to tide you over until dinner. Oh my god this is fat shaming this whole thing fat. Oh i'm not done with it. Yes this is fat shaming fat shaming from the lord. Win invited to dinner. You do not have to say you on a diet. Just take small helpings no seconds and then cut down the next day this way you do not offend the host and you can still accept invitations to dinner own. My god fuck you mormons about weight. Of course it is. It's appearance and you want to have your vessel builder. Not did guys have to be judged on their appearance. Is there a manual for well. There's the you gotta have your.

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"mormon church" Discussed on POLITICO Dispatch

POLITICO Dispatch

07:21 min | 1 year ago

"mormon church" Discussed on POLITICO Dispatch

"We're pleased to join the medical community law enforcement patients who were here today as well as people of faith on this most important matter. There's this room in utah. State capitol building called the gold room. And it's this ornate space with all these gifts that the state of utah has been given from different states in different countries and on a thursday In october twenty eighteen this very disparate group of people all came together in the gold room for a press conference held many of us here. Fifteen or twenty years ago would have supported medical marijuana. I don't think myself would have been included in that discussion. Governor was there a lot of major lawmakers were there the church of jesus christ of latter day saints was their medical cannabis is one that has generated strong emotions and at times will well no even heated debate. And they were all there to announce that they'd come to a compromise on a bill that would legalize medical marijuana for the residents of utah. I'm jeremy siegel. This is politico dispatch and today. I'm natalie fertig. And i'm the federal cannabis policy reporter at politico natalie. Fertig on how. The mormon church learned to stop worrying and love. Medical marijuana to sixty percent of utahns are active members of the church that means that they have their name on the church roll but percent of lawmakers in utah are members of the lds church and the lds. Church has a lot of specific guidelines. For how you can or should live your life that determine if you are a member in good standing so a lot of those guidelines. Indep impacting the way that people live their lives day. Today the things they vote for and you know as lawmakers the things that they are going to support So the lds churches rules is that you do not consume things that are intoxicating even to the point of discouraging caffeine use. So mormons don't usually drink coffee. I know because it was very hard for me to find a coffee shop when i was in salt lake city during the story. But they don't drink beer. They drink alcohol and that extends to other intoxicating substances like marijuana. There's some people who will stray from that. But as a whole they all stick pretty strongly to these these rules and regulations. So how do you get from a church. That actively discourages the use of substances like marijuana to a church that is standing there in the room. Where deal has been announced to legalize medical marijuana in the state of utah. So the fascinating thing about the push for medical marijuana in utah was that the advocates that were also pushing for medical marijuana were also members of the lds church at least a vast majority of them were and so was something where the church's guidelines were actually out of step with what a large portion of church members thought was right and there's a hard line for church members between medical and recreational marijuana and that was kind of the crux difference that i think the church me didn't recognize at first. Is that consuming something for intoxicating purposes. Still isn't okay but consuming something for medical use. I mean i talked to a number of advocates who said well we take drugs medical drugs but we wouldn't take those for fun but we take them when we need them for a medical situation and another part of mormon theology is compassion and caring for people and so a lot of the members of the church. Said this is something we need so they were pushing and pushing for this. On capitol hill in the utah legislature. And they kept meeting. Push back from the mormon church. Which would come into the room and say hey were you know. I talked to one lawmaker. Who said that. The lobbyists for the mormon church came into his office and said hey we're gonna go to leadership and asked them to kill this bill eventually advocates gave up on the legislature. And they said let's see what the people think and when they did that they got enough signatures to put it on the ballot. They got more than enough signatures. Because you know some always get thrown out the endless pulling that like seventy two percent while so. It had a lot of support from mormons in the state. So the people want to legalize the mormon church is against it. They've worked actively to prevent legalization in the state legislature. But you have this ballot initiative gaining traction in the state what happens next in the summer. The church contacted a number of different advocates and sent them. An e mails inhalants. Meet and let's try to come to a compromise and they did that so they got in a room they brought law enforcement. They brought the utah medical association they brought some of the top lawmakers in utah's legislature and you know the advocates that i spoke with said that the church was really instrumental in bringing everyone to the table that if the church had not said. Hey let's do this. Everyone else would not necessarily have shown up so that ended up in this compromise where they took out some of the provisions of the ballot measure and they made it a little bit more conservative believe it creates a framework that is good for patients. Their caregivers is good for children and in our mind. That's good for utah. They removed things. Like smokable flower witch. It advocates talked. You said you know that can seem very recreational you know lighting up a joint doesn't totally seem as medical but they did listen to the The members of the church they brought in all of these marijuana users who were part of church you were actually using it illicitly in utah. They were driving to colorado or nevada on on either side. the two bordering states where marijuana is legal and they are purchasing it there and using it in utah because of their medical conditions so the church brought in their own members who were using it and listen to them and said hey we should actually let people vape flower. We're not a lot of light up a joint burn on a power so they got very nitty gritty into the details of this bill and trying to make. It seem very medical and very not..

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Facing Your Doomsday Clock

The Cost of Care

02:06 min | 1 year ago

Facing Your Doomsday Clock

"A doomsday clock. Counting down in my own head and this irrational fear that i would end up becoming just like my dad. This just the fear. I would end up at some point soaking my world and kerosene lighting a match and having a an untimely death and no matter what anybody said to me trying to reassure me that oh you're not your dad such a different person that would never happen to you. The doomsday clock just played on it got louder. Every year and about a year and a half ago the sound of that clock reached a deafening level. this doomsday clock triggered what. I'll just describe generously in the abstract as a moment of extreme personal crisis my wife and i decided to leave our face the mormon church and when you're raised in something for decades and you have come to define everything about who you are where you came from where you're going. How you should live the rules. You should abide by. When you sever from a system like that. I don't care who you are that is a traumatic experience and it occurred to me that so much of my journey had been wrapped up in this doomsday clock in and my own father's journey and that i didn't know nearly enough about where i came from and who i was so on a thursday morning i woke up with my survival instincts and full gear and i knew i needed to learn a lot more about my history and where i came from and what made me really tick and i

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Mormon church leaders call out racism and say abortion is evil

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00:32 sec | 1 year ago

Mormon church leaders call out racism and say abortion is evil

"Abortion and racism were topics on the first day of a virtual Mormon church. Conference, calling abortion evil and issuing another plea for members to combat prejudice and racism. Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, beginning a virtual church conference without attendees because of the pandemic. One church leader Neil Anderson, in denouncing abortion, also lamented that fewer Children are being born around the world. Even in the most prosperous countries. Cora member Garry Stephenson called on members to be welcoming to people of all faiths and ethnicities and to fight cyber

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Star of ‘Real Housewives of Salt Lake City’ accused of wire fraud

Who? Weekly

02:32 min | 1 year ago

Star of ‘Real Housewives of Salt Lake City’ accused of wire fraud

"We're talking about the real housewives of salt lake city again. I didn't watch this. Everyone loved this season. It premiered right warm as them was involved so that was very of interest to a lotta people they made. It made it a little interesting. It's like oh. These women are talking about the mormon church right. They're talking about the mormon church and they're talking about converting 'cause she was a mormon gen sean that she was like you know what like the mormon church has been very terrible. The black people in the past. Like i'm going to convert islam. And so like she has this interesting relationship to salt lake city right so long. You understand why all these women were cast this. This happens this week. She gets arrested for multiple crimes. So allegations are wire fraud conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering. Basically what she was doing was working in this. Multi leveled multi layered scheme. They call it the business opportunity scheme and the thing which involves collecting and creating and selling lead less lanner way. Yeah well it's when you start a company and you want to kind of hit the ground running with your company. You can buy a lead list. And i was googling this on a lot of people have problems with lead list because they can reliable. They're really rely a list of people's names and numbers essentially right contact information and the information about Names and numbers. Email address all their demographics. And then you have this sort of like set group of people who probably likely to respond to whatever your company is right. Suckers is what you're saying suckers suckers and so she's developing these lists and also selling these less so she's making money on the selling of these lists which the best of my knowledge are really expensive. Like if you're starting a company and you want to buy lead list depending on the quality of the list you could be paying a ton of money right and it could be risky. And apparently there could be legal complications with even buying lists. I was reading about this. It was like beware of buying lead lists and so she was not only allegedly selling these late lists and creating these lead lists. She was working with the people who bought them so that they be using those lead lists to target. These older people susceptible people with business schemes. That were non existent and the old people would pay them a ton of money. And then jenn shaw would allegedly get a cut of that. I think i'm doing a pretty good job explaining what this is. But that's the wire fraud which is as our friend amina says that's is crime because that's always what they get rich people on that's the easiest crime to get people on because it involves receipts it's like is there. Documentation of z happening. Yes it's wire fraud.

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Mormon church accused of covering up Boy Scouts sex abuse

Sean Hannity

00:28 sec | 1 year ago

Mormon church accused of covering up Boy Scouts sex abuse

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints in Arizona is now dealing with several lawsuits for allegedly covering up sexual abuse among Boy Scout troops. The lawsuit alleges church bishops would tell the victims to keep quiet so the church could conduct its own investigation. Seven suits were filed before a statute of limitations extension deadline passed by lawmakers last year for victims of sexual abuse to come forward and seek justice. Arizona does have a mandatory abuse

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Interview With Leonard Matlovich

Making Gay History

04:28 min | 1 year ago

Interview With Leonard Matlovich

"I'm eric. Marcus and this is making a history in september. Nineteen seventy five. A stunning issue of time magazine. Hit the newsstands. On the cover. Was the photo of a young man wearing his air force uniform. His name tag said lich and the huge headline read. I am a homosexual. I had just started my senior year at hillcrest. High school in queens new york. By then i knew i was gay too but i would have died before admitting to anyone and i sure wouldn't have announced it on a cover of a magazine with millions of readers. I'd like to think. I admired leonard math for his. But it's more likely than i thought he was crazy. I never got to interview leonard. He died by the time. I started work on the original making a history book but studs did. And i'm glad we get to share. Leonard's voice thanks to our work with this radio archive one of the things i love about our history is. How many threads come together at different times. One of those threads was the tireless work of gay rights activists and firebrand. Frank cami frank is featured in his own making gay history episode but his name comes up and plenty of other episodes two and he played a pivotal role in leonard story. Frank had been looking for a test. Court case to challenge the military's ban against gay servicemembers in nineteen seventy five. Leonard stepped up to the plate. The thirty one year old air force tech sergeant declared his homosexuality to his commanding officer and when he was discharged he sued for reinstatement. It was the first case of its kind. And leonard instantly became the public face of a bitter fight for equal treatment of lgbtq servicemembers that continues to this day. Leonard was a picture perfect spokesman. He had an exemplary record was a decorated vietnam vet and taught classes designed to ease racial tensions in the armed forces. He was a patriot a conservative and a believer. He grew up catholic and later became an elder in the mormon church. But before. Leonard became champion for equality he. I had to overcome his homophobia and racism as you'll hear in his conversation with studs terkel which was first broadcast on november fourteenth nineteen seventy five. Just a heads up. Some listeners may find what leonard says about his past racist beliefs to be shocking cases. Obviously to be a member of the one. Of course. we're breaking through something involving what is more macho than the military army in this case the air force and this is of course this. You're right in the heart of heart of machismo. Are you not to say the least. And they want to keep that image. And i think it's a crazy mixed up world. We live in when we're rewarded for killing hating and punished for loving macho image. It's a wrong image. It tends to make people want to kill into murder. So we gotta go back to the beginnings without madam who are you. Where'd you come from. Well i usually tell people that My father spent thirty two years in the air force. So i tell people that i was born in georgia. Raising alaska joined the air force in england. I'm a resident florida virginia. Visiting chicago today. When i say that everything that i am and everything i hope to be out of the united states air force i was born here. Air force base and graduated from air force high school and most of my higher education has been through the air force so it's been military and even the ability to do what i'm doing today to fight the regulations that are considered unconstitutional. I have to that the air force to they gave me the courage because they kept telling me over and over again. And i kept telling the classes i taught and human relations and race relations that anything less than equality injustice is not tolerated in this country. You were of a different political entirely confederate flag. I idolize for many years. it was a symbol of on. I don't have words for a symbol similar to the past and the way things were they should still be necessary. Slavery but the white of the right of white oppression dedicated for barry goldwater door to door handing out literature for him. I oppose a sixty four civil rights act with fervor just went and of course no questions about vietnam war oh absolutely i spent three tours over there just like my country or fight the war for my country for equality. It's strange vietnam. The fight for a yellow man's equality. I hated blacks in this country.

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"mormon church" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

01:40 min | 1 year ago

"mormon church" Discussed on KCRW

"He said, But you You were my friend and I remember what we talked about. How are you? I just started to cry as I told him what it felt like to lose your identity, your religion, your family. Um And he just listened and he was just very present with me, he said Craig Hmm. You're always welcome to come and talk to me about this, but they're people much more qualified to see you through this transition in your life. And with me there, he called a friend of his who's a therapist and set me up with my first appointment and without therapist, I was able to navigate the coming out process was able to lose. One identity that was harming me and gain and find one, a new one. In that moment, I say, Charles Swift saved my life in a religion that claimed to be able to save my soul. He saved my life by giving me tools to save myself. In November of 2015, the leadership of the Mormon Church announced a policy in which all LGBT members of the church will labeled apostates and the Children of those members of those LGBT members. Were barred from baptism until they were 18 years old had left their families home and forsaken their family's lifestyle. In the wake of that policy. 35 LGBT Mormons ages, 14 to 20 committed suicide. 27 of them were Excuse me. 27 of those were within the state of Utah in the average age was 17..

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All Your Genes Are Belong To Us

Planet Money

09:43 min | 2 years ago

All Your Genes Are Belong To Us

"The story of gene patenting kind of starts in the nineteen seventies when scientists figured out how to modify genes in a lab until nineteen eighty living. Things mostly couldn't be patented but that year the supreme court said i guess. These new modified genes are inventions. And pretty soon after that the patent office started granting patents not just on those modified genes but even on genes that scientists had just managed to isolate an extract from the body which started this huge genetic goldrush hundreds of new biotech companies popped up and suddenly the human genome started to look kind of like an uncharted surveyors map with hidden treasure. Worth millions of dollars just lurking out there in the genetic code by the early nineties. One of the biggest genetic treasures was the gene responsible for most cases of inherited breast and ovarian cancer the b. r. c. h. Gene and women with the brca gene have up to a seventy percent chance of getting breast cancer. Compared to about just ten percent for the general population. There was an enormous international race to find this gene and when myriad genetics was founded in one thousand nine hundred one winning the race to find the brca gene was a top priority geneticists. Sean teigen was one of the first people hired at myriad genetics. I had never heard of myriad. In fact i was roughly employee number. Ten sean and myriad hoped that if they could find this gene they could diagnose people at risk of developing breast and ovarian cancer and create tests and treatments for it nasa whereafter in the end is to add years to the lives of the people who buy you know unfortunate chance inherited a mutation in one of these genes. The trick to locating this gene is to identify families where breast cancer clusters. And then if you compare the dna of the people in those families who got cancer versus older people in the family who never got it. It will probably lead you to the gene and in the race to find this gene. Mary has a huge head. Start mostly because of its location in salt lake city. Utah has this comprehensive database of anyone who's developed cancer in the state. It is also home to the mormon church which famously keeps extensive genealogical records show. They're thinking when if just cross-referenced reference those two databases they'd have themselves a ready made pool of promising dna candidates and then they could get straight to mining for mutations sean and his team at myriad get to work. They are working around the clock all hands on deck. How did you guys think about what the stakes were for you. Guys you know in this race returned to arrive there. I i was merely an existential question for the company. There wasn't any doubt about that. It was like if we can find this than the company is going to be successful. And if we don't find it we're probably gonna shrivel up and go hundreds of other scientists around the world were also looking for this gene if myriad doesn't want to shrivel up and go away they have to get to it i after four long years of mining. Dna myriad finally strikes gold they find the mutated gene living on chromosome seventeen from what is now known to be base pair. Forty three million forty four thousand two hundred ninety five to base pair forty three million one hundred twenty five thousand three hundred and sixty four myriad extracts and isolates gene and almost immediately stakes its claim on it by filing a patent but profiting off of that patent turns out to be a whole other problem. There's just no good way to make a drug or treatment based on this gene so instead they focused solely on making a test that would tell people if they have the gene. Though even tasked will be hard to make money off of because brca is like say cova testing where you might get tested over and over or a drug the take every day you know the same person will use a particular patent drug again and again and again and again but they get the information that they are mutations carrier wanted to. They don't need to have that test again. It's done so. The prophet situation is different. Myriad cooks up a solution to this profit problem i. They will make the cadillac of tests the very best cancer gene test of all time and they will charge a premium for it then myriad starts using. Its patent to do what happens. Do best to create a monopoly if anyone else tries to make comprehensive diagnostic test based on their brca genes including some researchers myriad says kindly cease and desist last piece of the prophet puzzle. They get to work driving up demand. Genetic testing for breast cancer was relatively new thing. People didn't really know about it yet. So myriad launched a big marketing campaign aimed mostly at doctors and clinics. But then they test out something that hadn't really been done before with genetic testing breast cancer runs in my family. My mother my dad's sisters. I wondered if it would be inevitable. The trade marketing their test directly to consumers talk to your doctor or visit brac now dot com myriad says they invested around five hundred million dollars to develop and market the test and that they didn't even turn a profit until two thousand eight and says patenting. The gene was the key. That's the only way myriad could get the time and money needed to create what they deemed one of the most sophisticated genetic tests to date attest that gave more than a million people information about their risk for breast and ovarian cancer. But as you may remember not everyone saw myriads business model in the same positive light first of all that direct marketing to a broad swath of consumers less than ten percent of women are even good candidates for this test so there were concerns that myriad was encouraging all of these people to try to get a test that most of them don't even need that cost thousands of dollars before insurance and back at the. Aclu that lawyer. Chris hansen by the mid-2000s he'd spent a few years learning all about gene patenting and looking into the ways myriad was doing business and he had a few concerns of his own for example. Chris says people who did take myriads test might have been getting a false sense of security because his cadillac of tests. The original version of that test did not screen for several dangerous mutations in the gene which came to light after they'd gone to market so that even if you are a result back from myriad saying you're fine you weren't necessarily fine which you know. Science is a process of learning but once myriad realized its mistake and fix the test if customers wanted to take their new and improved. Test that identifies mutations that was gonna cost extra and chris says myriad police it's gene patents so aggressively that no other comprehensive. Brca test was available. So if you were worried that myriad had missed something. There was no way to get a second opinion myriad. Genetics was the only place in the country. You could go if you wanted to be tested other labs could could technically do be. Rca screening were not allowed to do so because of Myriads hat myriad told us. Look we only actually filed two lawsuits against our patent but scientists. We spoke with told us that myriad also sent out a ton of letters that threatened legal action which had basically the same effect of shutting down testing efforts and many scientists were already frustrated with myriad because the race define these genes in the first place had been largely collaborative among scientists around the world and yes myriad had found the gene i but they've done it with the help of everyone else's published work and then they used their patent rights to essentially claim testing for it all to themselves and because really only myriad could test for these genes only they could gather certain kinds of really valuable new data about inherited breast cancer they collected and years of data most of which they also didn't share with the rest of the breast cancer research community. They had this gigantic database of brca one jeans and the various variations of the brca jeans myriad refused to share that database with the scientific community. We spoke to the folks at myriad and they told us that they didn't want to share their genetic database with the broader scientific community out of a concern for patient privacy. They say the pricing of tests has always been proportionate to the costs of developing and bringing them to market and they say they're patent strategy was in line with others in the industry. But chris's concerns went. Far beyond myriads business model far beyond myriad used it's gene patents for him myriad was just a symptom of a much more fundamental issue. The real problem to chris was that genes could even be patented at all. The notion that some private company to own a part of my body and i can't look at it without paying a royalty to some private company seemed to me blindingly obviously a civilization and when chris hansen sees a civil liberties issue. He knows what to

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Tyler Glenn: I Can Feel You Feel Forgetting Me

LGBTQ&A

04:44 min | 2 years ago

Tyler Glenn: I Can Feel You Feel Forgetting Me

"You know as artists become more famous. Lies, and their experiences often become less relatable and I think we see that show up in their work and I. Bring that up because I think that things are singing about this new album are shockingly relatable and relevant to the people listening I have some specific examples but that's something that you think about or are concerned about. Take probably I always want to feel like I'm relating to the audience listening to it and to me I suppose I'm famous to some people and I I suppose my band is popular but I I still live like a very I dunno I some of it must have to only coming out a few years ago feeling like myself. So I feel like I'm still very much like I don't know. Does that make sense like just a person with a phone trying to navigate romance with APPs and like I I still just as much of that even though I have access to other things and maybe a platform I mean you bring up romance I think one of the things that like I struck me was about being ghosted and ghosting and I was like, Oh yeah I guess they must people do have. To deal with that as well. Yeah, and I also have seen the flip I've used ghosting to sort of get out of a thing. It's this weird thing that I'm exploring in my own life is the modern phenomenon and we were given all this power. Maybe I'm too happy about it but I think we're still in the middle of even understanding what that is and the power of that and how it. Affects our people and things like that. I feel like I've had one public relationship right after it came out I really wanted to work and I realized like still had so much inner stuff to work out an exit I sit here with you as a thirty six year old man and I'm like I don't know if I've ever really been in A. In a relationship that actually is healthy life is also public and also like rewarding the both of us it's interesting thing I'm still navigating as a as a guy. You know I think for me. It's been the last few years of just like why what is codependency like? Why am I feeling this way? Why might seeking someone so hard to fulfill me and it's like it's probably stuff that sounds very juvenile but from me I, there's aspects of things that I do feel you know I'm still having to experience myself. I mean I think you named check codependency on at least two different solid in. That's not a word of ever heard in pop music before lake. Yeah it's a running theme. It's repetitive lyric on purpose I. Think I not only with the person that I'm directly talking about his record but I think my own codependency with my devices, my own codependency with alcohol and drugs as as a Mormon kid growing up that was Jones in my head that that's not what you're supposed to do but you're also not supposed to be gay. And I knew I was gay. So now I'm I'm without labels. As an openly gay man also not subscribing to that fifth expression anymore. I feel like I'm not certain basic things. Does that make sense or are you saying because mormonism has so many? knows. You know you can't drink alcohol drink coffee. You can't smoke that. You're now late twenties early thirties like figuring your own relationship to alcohol and like everything I. Think. So I think it's even less about the no it's also the coupled with the idea that like. And I know mormonism is an exclusive religion that exclusively feels this way. But like it kind of combines this this greater existential crisis with drinking coffee for example, like the fact that you couple that with with sinning. So it's this weird. been this navigation of way I woke up hung over me and I'm an alcoholic I don't know I'm just figuring out maybe stuff you do in early twenties and get through it doesn't make sense. It makes sense and I have to wonder if that is something that everybody our age is feeling and thinking about it just looks more like a personnel cylinder light your life probably, and that's been the beauty of being out I've been out for six years, but I've only really been in my body as a gay man. Without the trappings of certain things for the last three or four years, it does make me feel less alone and made me feel like this is just an isolated experience when I when I see like people that have no relation to. The things that I grew up. Bonn are still like fumbling with and sort of figuring out I live in Salt Lake City now, and it's a very still like reminding of the Mormon Church but I, don't think about it all the time until I have to share myself from my story and. You know for better for worse. That's a big component of my. My Life is how that's affected me and me getting out of it and how that's affected me

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"mormon church" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

03:58 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"You'll. Spot up since you know this since spring. J. J. didn't have any livestock. There was no I mean. He had a small garden for himself, but he's. Major got a lot of people are doing it. We've been trying to get. We're trying to get seeds compost in my area and it's not to be found. The maybe it's artificial to scare people but I, my impression is a lot of people are oh no! That yeah I think now. It's I think now bunch of shortages of items that just because everybody wants him. WHO's making out well of course in? South West, he probably were closer to. This is the Mormon Church Mormon Church they. They own orchards. Mormon Church has storage facilities Mormon Church got people that make the stuff. They got entire businesses in East Valley. That is just you know freaking. Four of canned got freeze dried of here. It is and whatever and so i. need some stuff I know where to go when they don't have it at Costco. It. In the same thing is going towards education. You know kids are more resource. Also you know. They're not seen as a resource or seen as. A burden or maybe an investment at best or something like. Are you kidding me? I ran a restaurant with four kids. Old Donna nine four kids man. We kicked ass. Reading made they made money now. They got painting cash money. They go what you're so scared. Cash money you know just because money. I had the man come by. They wanted to show you. Where are their children? Will I knew the law? The law is if it's a farm or a family restaurant. Kids and grandkids are not held to the same standards. You know and and I knew that he had to federal whatever somebody sent competitor of whatever and I'm like come to find out. He worked at my went to my church and I go brother. You're working for the wrong people man. We'll don't you think over, are you gonNa try and tell me a libertarian Christian how to raise my children, and you're from the federal government badge. How do you think that's going to turn out? and. It was a nice conversation guy, he. He left it. You had to go question his life. Man, 'cause I was like. Are You freaking kidding me? And he came in, and he was yelling at dawn at the counter because she refused to talk to him. We shine to her shiny shiny badge and everything and he was saying I've never been treated background. Like, I'm walking I'm going I know this is not donnas fault. You know this is not. Right well she will tell me I go. I went and I got me a drank. Have Never I know, and I sat down and said you know let's talk. He sat down and it was like in the afternoons too so busy he sat down and I said let me explain something to you. If I'd come in, and my wife was talking to federal agent without me being here, she'd be away more trouble with me than with you. Buy Guaranteed you that you understand that, right? Donald did her job. She's just like you know. My husband be back in a minute. Up You. Go Pie. Demand I can put this sticker up on your window. Now and what if I ignore it? You know what I mean so. This was an interesting conversation and keep in mind. This was probably in. Two thousand, two thousand might have been before nine eleven around that time I've been the laughter and this attitude i. This had been on steroids nationwide. Everybody about everything. And some people say no a lot of just. Yes, boss, what's is there a Lotta? Yes, in Bossier in New Hampshire too much for my taste. You Know I. Can I cannot believe that. Restaurant owners and small business owners were shut down by this bowl Baloney. didn't just say. Hell with you I'm, GONNA Open. I was like. Maine.

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"mormon church" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

860AM The Answer

01:33 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

"Mormon church will deliver speeches at the faith's signature conference this weekend without an in person audience the twice yearly conference normally bring some one hundred thousand people of the church conference center in Salt Lake City to attend five sessions over two days this event though will only be viral due to social distancing roles church leaders will be inside a small auditorium with only a few other people even the face well known choir will stay at home the religion has been planning to use this conference to commemorate the two hundredth anniversary of when their founder Joseph Smith allegedly had a vision of god the version where the Mormon Dedi told Smith all of Christianity was an abomination Patrick false reporting two people killed eight others injured when a man wielding a knife attacked residents in the south in a southeastern French town while they were shopping amid the coronavirus lockdown breaking news and analysis at town hall dot com with gas lines across Venezuela growing a controversial shipping magnate has stepped in to prevent the country from running out of fuel amid the corona virus pandemic we get the latest from correspondent Keith Peters in Washington the fuel shortage in the nation that sits atop the world's largest crude reserves is the latest threat to Nicolas Maduro's rule at the time he's under intense US pressure to resign well my repair these my royal trading incorporated build state owned oil monopoly PDVSA twelve million euros last month for the purchase of up to two hundred fifty thousand barrels of ninety five octane gasoline according.

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Salt Lake City - Mormons to hold major conference without attendees

Bloomberg Daybreak: Asia

00:04 sec | 2 years ago

Salt Lake City - Mormons to hold major conference without attendees

"Salt Lake City the Mormon church has announced it will hold a major conference in April without

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"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

02:12 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

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"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

12:24 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"You've taking a step back would would feel I. I know for example. We've just wrapped up vulgarity for charity. Right if I learned that we we raised you know a third of a million dollars for modest needs. Were super proud of that. You know they tell us. That's a sizeable chunk of their operating budget. If I learned that they had a hundred billion dollar our reserve even if it was a perfectly legal reserve I probably would feel a little differently about the status of my gift to them. You know I'd be like it. Seems like a couple of other folks may be about a modest need. That is notable too in like that kind of goes back to the question of optics right because there are the Mormon communities of you know tens of thousands of readers who are going to read this and they're gonNA come down on on one side or the other of this issue. They're going to say how dare the Church Horde this money when there are people starving all over the globe and they're they're going to be the believers saying. I'm glad that the Church has has built this nest egg because you never know when we're gonNA need it and the second coming coming is probably going to be super expensive so it's a good thing that our church is run by such intelligent businessman Men Men all men of course But then there's the millions of readers of the Washington Post and other media outlets that are consuming this story that that are going to see the guys right down the street in the white t shirts and say that churches really really really wealthy. Why would I want to join it? And then give ten percent of everything I have to it and the optics at the much at the international the level because of this story I think are a lot more damage than the church can really withstand and more importantly with the millennial generation beginning ginning to get jobs and come into more of their own personal income expendable income that is being stretched thinner and thinner and thinner and thinner with everything that the current economy is all of the barriers of entry. That millennials have to buying a house. Even I I mean I'm a millennial millennia. LIVING IN SEATTLE I. It's it's pretty unreasonable. To even begin shopping for a house right now. People who are millennials are not as Orthodox believers in the church and I would like to think that millennials who are struggling to pay rent and to pay off their you know seventy thousand dollars student loan to get get the chat tech job and to buy a car payment that they can't really afford but they need to commute the hour and a half to work every day and they see all all of these issues that they are struggling to pay every bill and in the church is sitting on one hundred billion dollars. I'd like to think that they might have to think a little bit harder about actually assigning that tithing check this has much deeper ramifications than what you're saying. Is You know in like ten years. Maybe the Mormons only like ninety billion dollars really really put a dent in their now. tax-free hoards of gold what it does mean though one hundred billion dollars it's hard to have less than one hundred billion dollars exactly like every member stops giving tithing this thing can run in perpetuity. Church can run forever really could yet seen forever work forever so very very briefly to your second question. There are three things that I found that the media has completely missed The very first of these is the the liquidity ability with which the Mormon Church can move this money so exhibit are in the Expose illustrates the Investment Strategy and it says quote the vast majority majority of the portfolio. That's EPA is in liquid instruments within three months we could potentially liquidate close to eighty five percent of the portfolio by selling into a normal market without substantial disruption. So they at at a moment's notice they can pull something like seventy to eighty billion billion dollars out of these funds and have that liquid money to throw around. That's an insane amount of money. Wow the second item and this is probably the most crucial. The whistle blower came to no information that may point to some shady business practices and this is from the IRS complaint Beginning on page three sixty to quote the whistle blower did however see evidence of shady. EPA Activity Multiple Times from twenty seven to twenty sixteen one such example exhibit. Oh shows how a missing accounting control segregation of duties and a quote unquote worst practice deleting receivables together constituted a potential mechanism for dark money honey. The mechanism was identified by the Whistle Blower and corrected by top management only to be intentionally introduced by top management wants the attention had died down on the whistleblower rediscovered the worst practice and missing control by accident years later and immediately raised the potential fraud flag. Top Management Management did respond immediately however the person responsible for investigating were also the persons who had reinstated the worst practice in the first place to make a long stories shorts deleting receivables can constitute an effective way to make untraceable payments and quote. Yes yeah well that that combined. I mean that that was where my mind went with With respect to being able to to churn out eight figures of liquid assets On sort of a moment's notice that's Yeah that's a little That would be worrisome. If we were talking about Microsoft having access to this right like the way we compared you know the size of of these assets to corporations that are in the top half of the fortune. Five hundred which true but but Most corporations do not have anything resembling that that level of assets let alone that level of liquid assets. Right like we talked about the largest nonprofit endowment I know of is the one I cheekily referenced at the Start Right the the Harvard endowment which was on the close order forty forty billion dollars but the difference is our number one much of that is in ill liquid form right number two schools build buildings and which not saying the Mormon church also builds buildings right. The difference for instance between building a research laboratory and building a temple is is pretty significant. Gap like the so All right well. So in addition to that It all is benefiting from the Shield of nonprofit religious entity to so they're they're able to take in quote unquote donations from anybody in the world regardless of their financial ties ice regardless of their business ties regardless of anything they can take that money into the cogs of the Salt Lake City machine which then in turn influences extensively state politics and to some degree national politics and The Mormon Church just announced that they're building a temple in Russia. So that's super cool. The third and final issue that the media completely missed. This is from exhibit Jay. This is a letter that this is a letter is written by enzyme. Peak advisors that they send it to investment agencies looking to extend the lines of credit to the EPA however because e books are absolutely close to the public a- apparently even the possible investors the EPA has to ensure credit via other means. So the letter says quote enzyme peak does not distribute financial financial statements assets however are well in excess of five billion dollars an enzyme peak is essentially without debt and quote so the letter then refers possible investors into EPA to to banks that they can call to check the credit status of EPA PA.. One of them is the Bank of New York Mellon the other is Zions First National Bank. Which is the bank that the Church owns and then at the bottom of the letter it says quote? EPA does not undertake obligations that it cannot fulfill. I am sure that you will find that. EPA has the highest credit rating in in all respects and quote And that is so godfather. Ask isn't it like you. Just call our buddies and they will tell you that we're good for it. That is their legitimate financial strategy and and part of that is because I want. I want to go back to the to the Harvard. Point right like part of that is because when an educational institution needs to finance construction of new buildings for example right. They typically will issue bonds right and to do that right to issue the bonds they make public blick disclosures and disclosures to rating agencies like you know standard and Poor's Moody's Fitch and those disclosures right Are regulated by law. They're you know they're independently audited and verified So you know you've you've you have even in the world of of nonprofits right like you have far more transparency when you're talking about EVALUATING AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION AS OPPOSED TO EDUCATING EVALUATING A church. Right get them well. And that's kind of the highlight of everything we discussed is like like there needs to be transparency and I'm sure trump's. IRS will get right on this right. Yeah right isn't that the big question the one Petersson and a bunch of spider webs that are in the top of it could see probably hasn't staffed the added or something. Yeah but I mean in many ways there are positive ways to look at this right like like this is I mean like I said earlier. There are a lot of people who are struggling to pay the electricity bill as it's getting colder and colder colder and colder this time of year. And they have to go meet with their bishop and say I'm a full and honest type pair. Who are GonNa see this story and say maybe the church can go for a a few years without meat giving tithing because I kind of got a feed my kids and that it's really really bad optics from all from the top level this is just? It's a really negative story about the church and it's GonNa take a while for them to kind of recover and for this to slip away from the consciousness of people and you know no millions of Walpole readers are right Bryce. Thanks so much as usual for coming on and Mormons planning to us I only the look forward to. I'm sure you gotta get your hands on that fifteen percent of the additional tax. Hey Jay right yes yes please. That'd be how cool would it be if the whistle blower guy. I mean doing what would that be. So it'd be like whatever the tax of one hundred billion would be and then fifteen up to fifteen percent of that that's yes that's a nice payday that'll happen. You have to have to see. It would be really all right. Well thank you so much bryce. Hey where can people find you. If they'd like to hear more of you blog explaining I appreciate that so obviously this is such a huge topic. I do the serialized Mormon history naked mormonism awesome but I also do Mormon headlines show. That's glass box podcast. So we're doing a four part series on Mormon money over on glass box podcast right now. Now we're talking all the history of all of more than finances and we're also going to be discussing a story that is not discussed at all in that's how abuse yes that is occurring within the Church's welfare program as well so I refer everybody that the glass box podcast and as always thanks guys. This was really thanks for coming on. Definitely everybody go check that out.

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"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

13:22 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"We don't know their their allegations at this point exactly and and the hardest part about this is. There is no possible way for private citizens or for journalists for anybody to corroborate any of this documentation because all we have is the whistleblower complaint. We don't have access to the books to verify this information. So we have to say allegedly with all of this and everything that were able to discuss here is based on what was compiled by this whistle blower. That makes it's kind of tough to work with this story. It it does and this is to me the biggest head scratcher and what I can't figure out which is y segregate out these funds at all right like because I mean let's sort of talk about the the the practical aspect back. I already mentioned that. There's nothing wrong with a A nonprofit and to creating a subsidiary organization to serve serve as as its reserves and in fact there's a there's a specific provision that applies only to five. Oh One C.. Three corporations it section section five zero nine eight three of the tax code that that says Oh and also you're included under this umbrella if you are an organization that is organized. It is and at all times Operated exclusively for the benefit of to perform the functions of or to carry out the purposes of one or more specified organizations organizations which include churches. Right so in other words the tax code allows mandatory exemptions for churches their auxiliaries stories these supporting organizations. So so you know so. The argument is going to be the argument. You laid out right. which is this isn't supporting the nonprofit religious operations of the church? This is supporting the PR. The for profit Operations of subsidiary taxable entities cities. I get that I'm thinking of this right. I'm the Prophet. Seer and revelator of the Mormon church is a hypothetical up and Why not just keep the assets in house right why create this entity and and look like? Yeah you're treading on a little bit of thin ice every time you bail out the mall or whatever but but the reality is like the last major public fight that the IRS waged against a church was against the church scientology and they lost right And so I doubt they are bristling for a fight. I Doubt Given Mormon Representation in Congress that you know if it were if it were a public spat of the Mormon Church would certainly we have allies to fight it in any kind of irs investigation Lee. What's what's the benefit here of of of the segregation? I wish I could answer that so I can't transplant my mind into a dead Prophet In nineteen ninety seven when they made the top level decision of we're going to form this EPA In order to do blink. I don't know and I'm sure that they had good good rationale to do it. At the time and in some ways it does separate out maybe for ease of understandability it's separates out the the investment the stocks and bonds portfolio of the church from all of their other assets. Some of which are real estate. Some our business Some are insurance. Some Mar Mar media conglomerates it does separate all of their actual stocks and bonds assets into its own separate entity. Maybe that makes. Is it easier to administrate as opposed to being just under the larger umbrella of the corporation of the President Honestly I. I can't begin to wrap my mind around. Why they we did it this way? All the we can look to is. There was a lot of media coverage of Mormon money when the Times article broke in nineteen ninety seven and this was formulated just a month after. That story broke There may be correlation or they may sorry there may be causation to that. Maybe they were thinking if we can in build this. EPA to be investment portfolio that gives us in the public mind degree of separation from the amount of money that we have been able to acquire a through these investment investment portfolios. Honest I. I don't I don't know I'm dumbfounded by it as well. All right. Well what should I I guess I kind of have to more broad areas of of questions and those are you know number one. What should we look for as kind of the next development development right like this the complaints been referred internally but the IRS doesn't To my knowledge publicly acknowledge whether they've opened an inquiry or an audit into an individual or an organization so So so what are we looking for next and then also you know the question I I love to ask on a like wh- the House has the press getting this wrong. Like what misconceptions do we need to clear outright so the church is already beginning to mount its defense so what we can expect to see is more of the the the claim that we are using church assets to further the mission of the church. And this maybe goes as a question back to you Andrew but is the defense of. We are a hoarding this money for the second incoming of Jesus a legal legally defensible argument for growing a fund this massive all under the guise of not for profit institute. Look Jesus is not cheap. Like Yeah Ray comes is GonNa be like pelagics checkbooks I'm going to anoint. The one true religion and The highest bidder. Whoever and and in many ways like that's really important to note here is this this whistleblower complaint reveals to us that Mormonism is the wealthiest religion in America and it rivals does the Catholic Church in worldwide assets? And this this we really you yes. So let me let me give you just a billion Catholics. Yes but they don all pay as much money maybe two. That's the biggest part of it is is mormonism. Has the Iron Fist tithing settlement. At the end of every year that pushes members to give ten percent of their income which means that the average member of the average Mormon Norman member is contributing a higher percentage than members of many other. Nominations the EPA. Here's a very brief breakdown. It has about thirty five billion in. US equity alone. These are all in stocks bonds. Right it has just under ten billion dollars in foreign equity about five billion dollars in private equity seven point six billion in hybrid portfolios twenty one billion in credit and duration portfolios two point four billion in cash accounts and roughly seven point three billion in currently non allocated capital and in addition to all of that. There's somewhere around four point. Five billion in just to liquid cash. That can be moved around into at a moment's notice so that is a ton of money and this is only the stock portfolio of the church. Did that speaks not at all to their tithing. Income to all of the assets with they have that are for profit entities to the fact that they have the largest cattle ranch in the world that is currently two percent of Florida's landmass. That doesn't speak to all of their media. And their insurance insurance conglomerates it doesn't speak to the broader sense of this portfolio and that's quite troubling to because back in In Two thousand twelve the Bloomberg article estimated based on where the Church has to report. It's a tithing income financials in Australia and Canada that the church is taking in about seven billion dollars worth of tithing every year which is an insane amount of money in the church claims that its operating costs Kassir about six billion. But what's even more insane about. This is six billion OP- operating costs. Yeah wow costly. That's all communications communications You know to the to the Lord. I guess cost a lot satellite dishes. They talk to God but that that six billion dollars is really really really hard to substantiate and once again we can't verify there's no access to their book they rent to themselves kind of thing maybe like Oh oh you all these temples Scott pay the mortgage whatever to US get. What could that possibly be? Six Billion Dollars Great great question. There's a lot of Mormons in politics. Right they spend a lot of a lot of time Moving and shaking the political sphere in Utah and at the federal level But even more troubling about this is recently a historian one of the most respected historians of Mormonism D. Michael Quinn put out a the third book in his series Mormon Roman hierarchy and it is subtitled wealth in corporate power. And he did an interview when the book was released for the Tribune. And I'm GONNA pull directly from the trip. Article Quote Quinn estimates. An estimating is about the best. Even a top notch researcher can do the church took in about thirty three billion dollars in tithing in two thousand ten then based on a model of projected growth rates that followed a consistent pattern starting in the nineteen fifties. It earns another fifteen billion annually. He says in returns on its for profit making investments so the seven billion estimate that we've been going off of on the Bloomberg Article From Twenty Twenty twelve. Seems like it probably isn't all of that accurate to begin with and the claim that the church is using six billion per year in in operating costs cannot be substantiated. Either but what it does amount to is. It is not only the most wealthy in its asset holdings and in all of its stocks bonds holdings of American religions but it is also making the most money year over year based on its for for profit investments and if we think about the for profit investments of other religions. There really. Aren't that many. You Got Catholic hospitals right but by and large most churches are not as diversified as mormonism is and therefore they just can't match the income that the church makes every year which is fill in the blank billions of dollars. It is the single wealthiest religion in America. Wow Okay so So then let's let's work back to the to the first question What what what do we look for next in the story? I guess maybe there will be an announcement of an investigation in a few years or ten years when the audit is completed needed. We have seen already church mounting defense that we are we're using this for you know for building the Kingdom of God. We are holding this money for the second coming coming and that's about all because well. What do we expect? Maybe maybe more people will see this leak. Come forward and say well okay. If this person got out they were able to do it. Maybe I can leave my my post at. EPA or at the C. P. B. or at any of these other or entities and also leak and I can be Safeguarded by the Whistle Blower provision in the IRS statutes but as it stands right now the story Ori just is what it is and there's not much more to it well in my view you know it it and this is yes. Yes it's easy. The the three of US Raytheon on this on this line but You know we have folks who we have folks folks of all sorts of religious beliefs listened to the show and we try and And be respectful. Take that seriously In in my review right this is part of the argument for taking seriously that that. Maybe we shouldn't throw everything being into the bundle of religion and craft a specific provision in. That makes it extra special hard for the IRS to look into to fraud if you call it religion great. That's just my spoke. You know my bit of a soapbox but but you know I mean I can see sort of mainstream folks like I i. I know we have Mormons who listen to the show. Not Trying to argue with them about their religion. You do that on your show bright but I think the average person.

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"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

03:46 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"Tithing money? Over to a church-owned investment firm that invested it in various assets and as far as I can tell EPA enzyme enzyme right. Sorry all the VOCA l.. The Mormon vocabulary so so bleak advisors just looks to be like a it kind of a hedge fund right like they there an advisory Hedge funds the wrong wrong word. They look like a a an investment advisory right so certainly manage the assets sets they buy whatever securities you know when you have one hundred billion dollars it's not hard to To diversify your portfolio and we can talk to. Yeah Yeah and I think the complaint says something like they've earned seven percents Over the lifetime which you know. Let's ask pretty good return also. Yeah it's not hard to earn seven percent sent when you have a hundred billion dollars right you can you can really properly diversify so and you're also making multiple transfers probably per year of you've who knows how much from straight tithing money right right. Yeah but but but so I would. I would certainly feel comfortable arguing on behalf of my client. That saying we didn't use tithing money Yeah we used interest generated by your tithing money But we didn't use your tithing money to do X.. I I don't know right like that's I. I just WANNA throw a little cold water that that to me. That's not that's not a slam. Dunk that you know that that statement is probably false by tracing the origin. That's that's fair. Oh that is absolutely fair but one issue that will hopefully discuss as well as the optics of this is very troubling for the Church Church and they don't have the damage control resources to stop this story from growing into what it is right. So while they may not understand the legally defensible argument that they were using interest from tithing therefore they weren't directly using tithing to fund the City Creek Center they will say well the EPA is funded by my tithing dollars and and the EPA gave one point four billion dollars to build the City Creek Center the Church's for profit mall. That's tightening money right. So so so legally defensible is different from how people deal with the information inside of their mind. So I think there's there's a bit of a there's a bit of nuance to the the topic. Pick as well but I think both of us have defensible point to go with here so so let me ask kind of the top line question which is let's and by the way we should. We should clarify. I think you made this clear but These are I'm gonNA link The seventy four page whistle blower letter to the IRS In in our show notes folks can read it for themselves. It seventy four minutes really. The narrative portion is twenty eight pages and then there are footnotes and exhibit. So it's not you. You know if if you like curling up with documents you can curl up with this when it's not terrible it's not terribly long These are allegations right and the way in which the IRS process ossis works is a little different than the than for example the The process that that you know kicked off the trump impeachment right right like in in that case there was an actual complaint filed Here the way the process works. is you write a letter to the IRS. And you say hey. I think you should investigate investigate ex. Here's my reasons for thinking you should investigate ex and if they investigate x. then you know you can maybe trigger that That bounty hunter provisions. Yeah we talked about at the top of the show so this is These are allegations being made by somebody who was formerly connected to EPA. The IT'S NOT A it's not a complaint is not a the. IRS has not yet announced that it has begun an investigation. There has been no due process..

"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

03:16 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"That's totally appropriate right. Like a rat. A nonprofit can own an interest in a for profit entity so long as the disbursements to and from the for profit entity are properly recorded. And you pay all your taxes on the for profit entity rags elk. Okay you know selling clothes and building malls and all of the other stuff There's there's nothing wrong with that. But but this seems to indicate right the level full of Corrupt intent right that if if you know mall development is handled by the Mall Development Corporation and then you're secretly transferring refunds over from the church reserves. That seems to be more than just an oopsy. That's correct and where the fraud comes in. Is there have been multiple statements by church leaders including the Prophet at the time of the construction of the City Creek Center. When it was conceived Gordon behalf stating that? No tithing dollars were used for the construction of the City Creek Center. Enter and to be fair. City Creek Center is controlled by one of the entities that the CPI runs that his property reserves inc.. which is a for profit commercial entity not so the the church owning a for profit entity isn't the issue here it's that they use the EPA to fund the construction of that for or profit entity and then repeatedly said on record that they did not use tithing funds for that money and let's also be clear where EPA gets gets its massive transfers? It's all from tithing income so it makes you know who knows how much money each year but that money is. Is that the all of the nest egg that was used to build. EPA Up to one hundred billion status that it has now that was all made from tithing income. Yeah I mean it's like us the tithing income to make interest. And like make a zillion dollars on it and then I guess are they not calling like the interest tithing having income or something the resulting income from all the timing. I is that like one step removed. So it's fine and somehow I I don't understand the logic behind it I I mean it's the amount of money is so vast and at the end of the day all all of the income that the church has made initially to even begin all of the for profit investments that have grown it to this. You know well over a hundred billion dollar empire at some point down the line that all came from tithing donations so I I have a hard time At the abstract level considering that anything the church does is not with tiding money even if they are using it from accounts that were filled or replenished by therefore profit entities because without the tithing money that went into initially eighties for profit endeavors. The Church wouldn't have those for profit endeavors. Yeah I mean I don't I don't want to You you know the the the Mormon Church has its own private law firm in Utah that you've mentioned on your show on multiple occasions so I don't need to give them free advice but but I do feel alike. It is a defensible argument to say it's not a fraudulent statement that What we did with your tithing money was we stuck your tight we gave we turned your.

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"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

13:03 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"By favorite of the show best friend of the show. BRYCE blinken finagle embrace. I'm so happy to be your thank you guys so much for for inviting me. This is a really fun subject. We're so happy to have you and I can't wait to learn this one weird trick for us to get a hold of our portion of the hundred billion the mortar chad-sudan. That's why you're here right. Where do we sign up? Where's my the question? Do you guys remember that report that circulated. I think it was sometime last year. That some economists at University calculated that that we can get seventy one billion dollars from churches if we decided to tax them who would have thought that thirty percent of that was actually mormonism. Jeff turns out he just met tax one church the Church's yeah. No we've we've got you here. Okay so I have been trying to dig through. Oh this story in the Washington Post and elsewhere that the top line is Mormon Church may have hid a hundred billion dollars. Others in taxable assets I I understand. You've got some some inside information. You're also our Goto for things Mormon. So what's the deal here. This is obviously when we're talking anything Mormon money related there's a lot of nuance to the topic. And there's it's it's honestly it's a huge huge subject and I think the WAPO article certainly has some limitations and some issues with that a lot of people in the various Mormon believing leaving and non-believing communities have taken issue with and I think those criticisms are well-founded but by and large I feel like the walpole article does a fairly good job. There is another article that was published by religion. UNPLUGGED A much smaller media outlet that I feel like really kind of got more into the nuance of the believing side and the non believing side of the Mormon it kind of Communities much more so than Washington posted but I mean obviously the topic of Mormon money is such an interesting subject because this time of year people are doing their tithing settlements with their bishops which is basically the year end shakedown that every member meets with their bishop their local congregation a leader and the bishops sits down with them in the office and puts the tithing report in front of them for that individual. And says are you honest in your dealings with your fellow men and is this a full and honest tied the time of the year that I I get out my wall and I think you know. Exxon Mobil deserves a donation from that because they don't have enough after one hundred billion very. It's so much worse than I did. I did some some independent research on this. I talked to a friend of mine Who needs to stay anonymous but who is a custodian of financial assets? Okay And so and she describes describes this process and sorry says sodium financial assets with mormonism or just not with with with a With a lending institution the two okay And she says every year right at this exactly. What what Brice says that? So these Mormon settlement audits are going through by the way that is pre-tax right. That's on the gross. That's ten percent is not yet And so and so folks come in and what they have to do is transfer out assets right from their portfolios to the Mormon church in order to to true up right and she says she personally right as one person in a rather large staff off of a rather modestly sized financial institution personally handles six figures worth of transfers every single a year and two. So yeah yeah at this time of year. So the the the numbers involved are staggering and she also said that that the weird thing that she noticed is that the moment it hits the account that is designated for the Mormon Church that they liquidate those assets. That immediately absolutely instantly shifted out so So I thought that was some pretty Some pretty interesting color The let me before before we can go through the rest of the straight. I did WANNA hit a little bit on sort of the legal background including answering Thomas Question as to how we can get a slice of this right for two so as it turns out and I and I WANNA frame this because price I know you have. I think you've spoken spoken to the actual whistleblower here but in irs cases there is a whistle blower statute. It is twenty six. USC Section Seventy six twenty three B and and And and and at seventy six twenty three allows the irs to open up investigations and go collect delinquent tax payments And subsection B says as if the Secretary of the Treasury proceeds with any judicial action to recover underpayment or To punish those guilty and does so oh upon contribution from a whistle blower than the whistle blower can receive not less than fifteen not more than thirty percent of any any settlement. Or Hey Iran. I'll be whistle blowers checkout can the Catholic Church in the Mormon Church. I heard taxes stuff whereas my check so so I I say that number one because I think that's totally sensible right this past in two thousand six this was a You know George W Bush policy passed with bipartisan. Support makes total sense since But obviously following the lead of the trump administration. We've seen that you know Attacking and and discrediting whistle blowers. This is Is often the game plan when you are the subject of one so you know it is it is worth pointing that out. That will be used. I I presume to to try. And discredit the motives of of the person involved. So sorry let me reset it because I I know you guys are probably already deepen this and you know a bunch of the facts What happened so nobody knew that they had a gazillion dollars? Until someone blew a whistle. I mean where. Where are we in? When did this happen? So that's kind of an interesting question to try an answer. The thing is people have known for a long time. Mormonism is really stupid wealthy but the church is extremely guarded with its finances and that comes because in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. The church was running at a massive deficit. It was somewhere in to the tune of thirty two million dollars in debt and they would report their financials in general conference but because this guy who was a financial adviser for the church at the time Henry Moyle was running to the church at a deficit they decided to close the financial books. And I have a quote here from a A Mormon Irman reporter who works for religion new services and also recently wrote the book the next Mormons who I interviewed on Mormonism. And she talks about this quite Poignantly her name is Jonna reese is she said quote. The church was on the brink of financial disaster in nineteen fifty nine that year she suspects x the nondisclosure policy continues not because the church is poor or indebted but because it has grown wealthy enough that exposing the extent of its holdings could cause embarrassment harassment and prompt unwanted questions a literal embarrassment of riches. But I think it's important written to kind of grasp how large this portfolio really is and honestly in many ways how little the whistleblower actually gave us and also want to correct something that Andrew said earlier I have not spoken to the whistleblower. Personally I have spoken to the person who worked with the whistle blower blower large Nielsen and he and I have worked In in the eye of been able to contact him answering some of my deeper questions about this subject checked. And he's been very forthright. And and you know honest about the way that he is approaching this story but in order to understand the Mormon financial portfolio so we need to understand kind of the structure of the Church of Jesus Christ latter-day Saints and at the very topless. You know what just for the sake of easy in understandability. Let's let's just try and visualize mormonism like a pyramid. I just I'm just pulling that out of nowhere. Just a pyramid is the easiest easiest way to understand this right so the very top of the pyramid is what is known as the corporation of the president of the Church of Jesus. Christ latter-day saints or we'RE WE'RE GONNA call it the C O P now. This is a very unique entity called a corporate soul. And I'm hoping that Andrew can help us understand a little bit better. What a corporate soul Financial designation. Really Yeah So. That's how weird thing. They're only that that's really being phased out. It's it's it was Created and recognized at the state level And so the IRS still still respects state designations of corporations sole and that is S. O. L. E. S. O. corporations the soulages jobs but but it's true that It it was a special corporate classification that was designed to to to to to apply to religious institutions. So here's what it means. of a corporation sole enables a religious leader right right and then I'm quoting from a case called Berry Versus Society of Saint Pious the tenth. But you know it doesn't matter Such as a bishop or other authorized church or religious religious official to incorporate other state law in his capacity as a religious official. And so what that means is then the corporation sole is in in the name of that real person but the assets belong to the religion right and it is designed to allow the continuation nation of ownership to benefit that religious organization of even though the head might change rightly. So you know you get a new pope you get a new chief bishop if you get a new What's Apostle is with the the Mormon called profits here and revelator? Of course I could see that setting up for major debate over like well actually over here. We're the Real Mormon so like we're the ones who should we start our own sacked and then argue that we we're actually the religion you know because we have a better relationship to the foundational texts or something like that open up illegal Battle will that's one of the appeals for my soul all it can help insulate against that so whoever is named as the president of the Corporate Salt Lake City LDS Inc they. They are the owner and if anyone is claiming that I'm actually the ones who profit it's like all the books are in my name. So what I thought Andrew was saying the opposite of saying belongs alongside the religion even if the leader changes. Did I misunderstand so So you're you're both saying the right things right. which is that? The the assets belong to the religion but for tax recreation purposes the. IRS would look to the person who is designated aided okay right and it's interesting too. Because Corporate Solar Corporation sold they are typically only utilized by like Catholic diocese in for churches is but it doesn't seem to fall under the category of nonprofit or for profit entity it's kind of it seems like it's kind of this weird squishy ground of classification advocation in that regard. Is that right as well so I can. I can speak to that to Which is and let me? Give a tiny sidebar if if you start googling corporations sole You will immediately come upon sovereign imagine that so. There are all sorts of scams out there. That say You you can register as corporation sole and not pay any taxes such that has his always sovereign citizen Wacky nece. It's all hilarious until the IRS has to issue a circular and like spend literally hundreds of.

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"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

01:47 min | 2 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"And welcome no opening arguments. This is episode. Three hundred and forty four. I'm Thomas that's Andrew. How're you doing Andrew? I am fantastic. Thomas how're you doing great. I am very excited. decided to have our good friend Brice Blanc Nagel on the show from the Various Incendiary Mormon podcasts ex Mormon podcasts. The glass box podcast cast in naked mormonism So excited to get to that. Because it's possible. Andrew that the Mormon church is hiding a hundred billion dollars colors and taxable assets. I read this article in The Washington Post and I looked at it and I was like that that I did. Somebody rarely journalists are as bad with numbers as they the law right. That's it has to mean they're hiding one hundred million dollars which still would be like insane. which if you have one hundred million dollars you would like the law we will not tell Ya know It's this story is is amazing and and And I love that. We have here to explain the facts. He knows some of the inner workings. And you know I'm GonNa get a chance to delve into Arcane provisions of the tax tax law which just that's like throwing a yul log on the fire over here at the door has residents so so they were right well With that said why don't we hop on over it let's get bryce on the blower and talk about this absurd amount of money that Mormons are hiding and we are joined.

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Mormon Church accused of stockpiling billions, avoiding taxes

Morning Edition

03:26 min | 3 years ago

Mormon Church accused of stockpiling billions, avoiding taxes

"The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints whose members are known as Mormons is facing allegations of financial fraud a former investment manager for the church has filed a complaint with the IRS he says the institution holds and misuses charitable contributions close to one hundred billion dollars we hail is reporting on the story from member station K. U. E. R. in Salt Lake City come morning Lee the morning before we get into the specific allegations this is a big deal because donations are very important to this church right yeah I mean the church's Chrysler the saints like most churches are a lot of churches I should say as for ten percent of all income of their members be paid in typing the interesting thing is that please most that money for facilities missions vingtaine work what's left over they invest and that's where David Nilsson comes in okay so who is David Nelson and what is he alleging so he's the whistleblower who filed the complaint to the IRS and he's a former employee of the church's nonprofit investment arm it's called ensign peak advisors and he says ensign peak would receive about a billion dollars of excess typing a year and over time and through some clearly successful investment strategy they ended up with a hundred billion dollars the church is not confirm that figure they don't have to by law but Nielsen argues that ensign peak this investment arm there how to complaints their tax exempt status because they receive this tithing money invested they haven't made any charitable donations from that money they have no no charitable contributions and so instead they've used it to bail out for profit companies the church also owns how are Mormons reacting to these allegations about misuse of money that they've donated yet when it comes to like typing members of the church I think most of them will likely agree with church leadership and the official response in the church has been that the vast majority of typing is used for the purpose of helping meeting the needs of the church and the church he's also said that the claim is being circulated are based on their perspective and limited information they need and defended their right to invest the money invoking the parable of the talents things the sound doctrine on financial principle taught by Jesus in the New Testament other members of the church had a different reaction they've referred to this as hoarding and they're really upset that this a hundred billion I'm for investments isn't being used in religious or humanitarian efforts what is the parable of the talents that you mentioned there basically Jesus is instructing these disciples to go and make basically magnify what they've been given you know to kind of grow what they've been given and basically that this is an example of them growing the the money they perceive investing yeah okay listen knows these claims to turn out to be true what are the consequences for the church potentially well I spoke with a law professor Sam Brunson Atleo Loyola University in Chicago who's an expert on this kind of stuff and he said that the whistle blower is correct that no money has gone to charity than this investment arm of the church risks losing its tax exempt status while but importantly he says that the church itself is not risk the church itself it is not at risk why well because they have the separate investment arm which caused the problem but it's also going to shield them from potential fallout Lee hell with member station K. we are thanks so much for your

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01:44 min | 3 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on the NewsWorthy

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03:17 min | 3 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on the NewsWorthy

"Prop up to private businesses and more possibly Breaking Federal Tax Laws Remember nonprofit including including religious groups don't have to pay taxes on income but the idea here is that the money is actually spent on charity purposes. The man who filed this complaint is apparently Mormon a an ex investment manager for the church. He says he can no longer keep this confidential. He's also seeking a reward. Offered to whistle blowers if taxes. Actually get recovered at this point. A Church spokesman is not saying much in response to this story just that they don't provide information about specific financial decisions to be continued. Violent protests are breaking out in India over a new citizenship law. It makes it easier for some people of certain religions like Hindus Buddhists Christians and seeks to become citizens while the Washington Post reports. The new law leaves out Islam and now the country's two hundred million Muslims are fed up. They're worried the government is putting more four structures in place to treat them as second class citizens and many have taken to the streets the last few days the protests have spread and have now tied up areas in the capital city that has the government responding with things like shutting down the Internet to try to stop the spread of information and reports say police have even turned violent. India's prime minister called for calm and pointed out on twitter twitter that the new law does not impact any citizens of India no matter their religion remember the new law impacts those who can become a citizen the New York Times says supporters. The law went India as a place that highlights Hindu heritage but now the world is weighing in on this the United Nations and others including. US officials are calling the law clearly. Discriminatory plane manufacturer Boeing plans to stop making the type of plane involved in those two deadly crashes. The company says it'll stop production of the seven thirty seven Max jetliner next month at least temporarily. NBC News reports it's because the FAA plans to keep investigating into the new a year before giving any sort of okay for the aircraft to fly again. Remember the seven thirty seven Max jets around. The world have been grounded not allowed to fly. Since March of course the reason is two deadly crashes involving those Max jets one in Indonesia the other NATO PIA investigators say software designed to stop the plane from stalling appears to have contributed contributed to those crashes and even though the planes have been grounded for. About nine months now Boeing has continued to make them it used to be Boeing's bestselling aircraft and right now the company has about four hundred sitting in storage so Boeing says for now it'll focus on getting those delivered instead of making new ones. Americans will now have extra time to sign up for twenty twenty insurance plans under the affordable. Care Act that's where people who don't have insurance through their employer or other programs like Medicaid or Medicare. The deadline was actually Sunday but the hill reports the website was glitch ing so thousands of people had problems signing up for coverage last minute so the. US government extended the the deadline by a few days. You now have until three a m eastern time Wednesday to sign up about four million people have already signed up for plans as of early this month. That's still down six percent from last year which was already down from the year before but enrollment numbers are expected to go up with the extended deadlines Kansas City..

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01:43 min | 3 years ago

"mormon church" Discussed on the NewsWorthy

"Today is Tuesday December seventeenth. What to know today about an ongoing winter storm a new accusation against the Mormon Church and the law sparking massive protests in India plus the first city to offer free public transportation solar powered wireless headphones and Mariah Carey Hits Number One twenty five years later? Welcome welcome to the newsworthy. All the day's news in less than ten minutes fast. They're fun and on the go. I'm Erica Mandy. Thanks so much for being here. You're ready. Let's do this. More dangerous weather moves across a huge section of the country today already already. This system has stretched from Kansas to New Hampshire and put sixty million people under weather alerts. CBS News reports eleven people have died on icy roads in states like Kansas Nebraska Raskin Missouri then in Louisiana and the deep south tornadoes are blamed for killing at least three people and causing a bunch of damage to buildings power lines and more now. The storm is is expected to bring heavy snow to places like Boston as well as parts of Pennsylvania and upstate New York. USA Today says some areas could get up to a foot of snow. Expect travel issues news across the country. There's a new serious accusation against the Church of Jesus Christ latter-day Saints also known as the Mormon Church The Washington Post got a hold of a whistle blower complaints sent to the IRS. Last month it says the Church has kept. Donations met for charity and has one hundred billion dollars in tax is free funds. The report accuses Church leaders of using the money to prop up to private businesses and more possibly Breaking Federal Tax Laws Remember nonprofit including including religious groups don't have to pay taxes on income but.

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