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San Francisco Archbishop Bars Pelosi From Holy Communion
"Archbishop, Pelosi will be denied communion over abortion. Carl, what are you talking about? With all the news going on today, you mean to tell me that this is the most important story out there in the answer is quite frankly, yes it is. Yes, it is. I want you to understand this about religion when it comes to religion. And I think Dennis prager does that so well behind this microphone. Guys, objective truth matters. What religion is, what the judeo Christian value system is, what the Christian church is, what Jews represent what Mormons represent what Catholics represent. You may have your theological disagreements, but overall what we represent are biblical truth. Objective truth. Not fake truth, not subjective truth, but objective
Phelim McAleer's Film Set Was 'Infiltrated' by Hunter Biden's Lawyer
"So what you're talking about took place in November, you're filming this film and somebody comes claiming to want to make a documentary. About Hunter Biden. And his name was Kevin Morris. He's an Uber Hollywood lawyer. They flew in on a private chat. He's part of the South Park team that the cartoon adult cartoon. The book of Mormon, they do that. They've just signed a $900 million streaming deal. He said they were going to expand their content in their own making documentaries. And they wanted to come on Saturn film a certain interviews with me and the interviews with the actors, which they did and we give them unprecedented access, fast forward to promote the film, of course. The film. I mean, by the way, I'm pretty open, anyway. Fast forward, I opened the newspaper as they say, the other morning. And it turns out Kevin Morris is not a retired lawyer. He's a very active lawyer. He's representing Hunter Biden. His job is to craft legal and media strategies for Hunter Biden. Part of that job and part of the thing he wants to do is discredit people who are spreading smears about Hunter Biden, discredit. I think he means spreading the truth. Exactly. He wants. Yeah, he wants to, he wants to make the truth sound like mere smears. And so he literally flew across the Atlantic Ocean to Serbia in a private jet on whose dime I don't know. Good question. In order to get this information from you, misrepresenting who he was. Totally. And you know, that's an ethical breach for a lawyer with harder doubt, not saying. Even for a lawyer, and we know they're not averse to ethical breaches. But in this case, a clear ethical reason. It was someone infiltrated the set of miser hunter under false pretenses. Now, partly, maybe he is making a documentary, but he's also representing his firm admitted to CBS News that he is representing Hunter Biden and he is crafting a legal and media strategy for Hunter
Exposing the Plot Behind the Border Invasion With Tom Homan
"Southern border is wide open and unfortunately, the regime is over complicating it. But there are some fair questions that need to be asked about what can states do, what can we do to try to secure southern border? And nobody is more qualified to talk about this than Tom Holman. He's the former director of ice and did a wonderful job under president Donald Trump securing our border and using every legal mechanism we had at our disposal to secure our country. Tom, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. Thanks, Trevor. So Tom, let's just start with the facts and the basics. How serious is the current crisis on the southern border right now as we talk? I've never seen it. Not even close to this bad. Look, I started as more tragic in 1984. And as you just said, under president Trump, we have the most secure border in my 35 year career. In my lifetime, and the data clearly shows that president Trump had ill immigration down at a 35 40 year loan depending on what month you look at, there's done 83%. So that's what Joe Biden inherited, the most secure board of ever had. And within months, he signed over 70 executive orders, basically a bottle, everything that we did on a Trump administration, and now we went for the most secure border in this nation's history to an historic immigration crisis last year. 1.7 they claim is actually 1.9. So 1.9 immigrants crossed our border last year on the President Biden. We went from the most secure border to historic, never seen any kind of members before. Numbers under President Biden. Now, unaccompanied alien children, all time high in the history of U.S. border chart. Family groups, all time high in the history of the history of the Mormon trail. And look, now we're in a new fiscal year, right? So everybody says, well, what about this title 42? Even if they keep title 42 in play, we're already over a million apprehensions. This fiscal year, which means we're on the glide smoke right now to beat two men. So we're gonna blow away last year's numbers, which were historic before even talk about China 42. This is, this is incredible.
Utah Governor Caves to the Left's Radical Gender Ideology
"I have warned for some time about Utah. I'm very worried about Utah. Utah is becoming the next Colorado. Good faithful people, largely LDS, who get co opted by social liberalism, fake utopian promises, and outright love of money and commerce. More than principles virtues and values. Utah is one of the fastest growing states in the country. There is something weird going on in Utah, where there are not just fake Republicans, but Republicans that seem to be eager to stab their constituents in the back and do everything they possibly can to try to pander to the needs wants and interests to the radical left. Utah has a growing tech corridor and sector. I've spent a lot of time in Utah. I grew up going to Utah every winter, going to deer valley, and Park City, it's some of the most beautiful places on the planet. It was great skiing until I stopped skiing because last time I went skiing, everyone said I had a great time and I woke up in an emergency room, so we stopped skiing. But you toss a great state, phenomenal people, but there's something rotten happening in Utah. So we know that men should not be able to compete in female sports. Why is this at all controversial? Will the governor of Utah this weirdo by the name of Spencer Cox never saw him in my life before? Said he plans to veto legislation past Friday that would prohibit men from competing against women and women's sports. In Utah. Now, some of my closest friends in the world are LDS. We have a lot of people that work for us on the show that are LDS Latter day Saints or Mormon. I can't imagine this is a popular position in the Mormon community,
"mormon" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist
"Cook. If you pay for it unmastered class. Oh wow, yeah. So deseret book wants to do their own Mormon version of masterclass, which they're calling Sikh. That's good. And this is to help Mormons with things like how to get the most out of scripture study or how to be okay with yourself living as a single person in the Mormon church, which if you know anything about mormonism is literally the worst thing you could possibly be. If you're over the age of 22 and you're still single, you're broken. There's no place for you. It's 26, Dan. Okay. No, isn't it 26? Well, you're young actually has a quote. Oh, really? A single man over the age of 26 is a danger to a dangerous society to do something like that. Yeah, that's true. I remember that now. The lessons have lingered. So anyway, desert a book and their Sikh platform. Actually sought a guy named James Jones to who's a black member of the church to do a one of their, one of their masterclasses, one of their things, about how to rid yourself of prejudice. And he's like a podcaster. They just didn't pick. That's random. The black member that they happen to know. That's right, right. They actually sought out somebody who has sort of a media experience and a presence. Yeah, and they clearly like, look, the truth is that if you are a black Mormon, the church knows everything that you do. They have listened to all of your podcasts. They're watching. They're paying attention. Because if nothing else, they want to turn you into a celebrity. The church needs front facing black members. Yeah. They're very interested in what you're doing. So anyway, they went to this guy, they said, hey, let's do this thing. And his response was, okay, I'm willing to do this, but I need to be able to do what I want to do. You can't censor my content. He's not going to swear and stuff. Right, right, right, right. But you can't, you can't censor my contact content. I need to be able to say what really needs to be said in this. Right. Right. And to my shock, they said okay. Oh wow. And then to my even greater shock, they followed through. And they actually filmed the damn thing. Wow. With his script. He made it as he wanted it to. They edited it, they got it all tight and polished. And you know, the Mormons know how to polish some media. They know what they're doing with the media. They advertised it on their website and everything. Oh, wow. It turns out they're pulling it. It's out. What? What happened? Never got in front of anyone's eyes. It was gonna launch. I think just at the beginning of the year, but December 1st, they announced that they are pulling it. Oh boy. And the reason that they are pulling the video teaching Mormons how to not be prejudiced is because this man, James Jones, James C Jones, had made a Facebook post back in August, criticizing one of the most important Mormons the brethren, the apostles. Who made a heinous speech down at BYU. I don't remember if we talked about it. But yeah, the heinous speech where he basically his metaphor was about musket fire. He was literally talking about bringing out guns when it comes to making sure that they don't loosen their grip on their homophobia. They need to hang on to their homophobia for all their worth. Right. And this was, of course, an awful thing to say, and this guy called them out. And the point of this story I think because listen, I genuinely think that the church understands that they've got a PR nightmare. Just forever hovering over them with the race thing. Just permanently a giant PR cloud. And they know that they need to take steps. To try and fix that. Right. It has been a problem since the beginning. And they've been behind the curve the whole time. And I genuinely think that they want to help. But this illustrates an interesting problem that I think can apply to almost any structure, and that is that the desire to do the right thing only lasts up until something rubs wrong against the power structure. Yeah, absolutely. We can't insult your boss. You can't insult the president of or he wasn't the president of the church, but one of the top guys in the church. And are you expect that there's going to be consequences, Dan? You can't go on and talk about, you know, prejudice. Right. And rooting it out of the church and the community and everything. While calling somebody else out for their prejudice, literally can't do that damn. The guy they hired to help Mormons not have prejudice. Calls out prejudice and get some and is fired. Yeah. You are dismissed, sir. Well, let me tell you, they went back to the chalkboard and they were like, why didn't we hire Gladys Knight? Yeah. I feel for this guy so much because the job that he was tasked with.
"mormon" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist
"Is riveting stuff. It is shocking. It's really funny. I was not prepared for it. To be perfectly honest with you. And you would think that as long as you and I have been sort of staring down the Utah state government and the Mormon church that we would have seen this coming, I mean, it's the kind of thing that makes perfect sense once you hear it. It's the kind of thing that you that doesn't, yeah, yeah, you kind of, you're like, oh, well, I guess they would do that. But it's also like, what the fuck? Yeah, we're gonna get into that second half of the show. Hopefully that teased you enough. Oh, do you feel teased? Yeah. Dirty birds. Dan. Yes. Are you as big a fan of Doctor Oz as I am? I think probably yes. But that means. That would be on the negative side. So not a fan at all. No. Yeah, Doctor Oz, if you don't know who Doctor Oz is, he's got he's the star of the Doctor Oz show. Which didn't kind of come on the heels of Oprah. What's on the world? I saw a tweet recently that was like, I love Oprah, but I will never forgive her for unleashing doctors Oz and Phil on the world. No kidding. Well anyway, Doctor Oz has announced that he's running for Senate. U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania and so it's alarming on the side of he's a quack. To be clear, these are distaste for him is not personal. It is because he is a doctor who promotes horrible bad science like bad pseudoscience nonsense. Yeah. Constantly. You know, he was behind all all behind the hydrochloroquine, the hydroxychloroquine. Hydroxychloroquine, yeah, thank you. And he's downplayed COVID deaths, he's promoted raspberry ketones for burning fat..
John Zmirak: Kyle Rittenhouse Is a Good Samaritan
"And furthermore, I don't think he's a misguided young foolish young man as David French of national review dismissed Kyle rittenhouse. I think he's a hero. I think he's a good citizen. He's a good Samaritan. Think about the story of the good Samaritan. A man is robbed and beaten and left on the side of the road. Two rather snooty, uptight, self righteous people. One of them a priest and one of them a levite passing by, they don't touch him because they don't want to become ritually impure by touching his blood. A Samaritan, which to the Jews at the time when Jesus was giving the parable, that was like a heretic, that would be like if you were talking to Southern Baptist mentioning a Mormon, okay? The samaritans sees the man goes in tens his wounds of pays for him at the end and takes care of him. Kyle rittenhouse saw that the police and the government were not enforcing Law & Order on the streets of a nearby city where his father lives and I think one of his brothers. It's like hometown man. So he went there as an volunteer EMT. He was handing out water bottles to Black Lives Matter protesters. He was handing out water cops. The cops thanked him for being there. Then a mob of psychopathic Marxist criminals, also known as antifa. Starts targeting the people who are trying to help patrol and keep businesses, small businesses, the backbone of America from getting burned down from getting looted Kyle rittenhouse was being good Samaritan trying to help total strangers preserve their small
Could Mike Pompeo, Robert O'Brien, Make a Run for POTUS?
"Yeah, David drucker, I am going to moderate a debate of would be senators in ohioans on a night, the 6 Republicans who are running three nights at Senate to replace rob Portman, and I'm reading in Trump shattered or prepare for that debate. They might want to get a hold of a copy themselves if they want to know what I'm thinking about. I think you're going to sell like hotcakes. I can not wait to read this, but I wanted to ask you, I know that two of the profiles in the book are of Robert O'Brien and Mike Pompeo. I was with both of those men last week. I'm curious what your assessment of both of their intentions and odds are showed president Trump not enter the race. And if he should. Well, it's very interesting. Let me start with Mike Pompeo, the former Secretary of State because I spent so much time researching him and reporting on it. He wants to run for president. And in fact, in a podcast interview a couple of weeks ago and it's a companion to my book, so it's also athlete titled in Trump's shadow. I asked secretary Pompeo, if I said I know you're not going to tell me if you're running or not today, I'm not that I'm not that crazy. But I said, if Trump decides to run a third time, does that automatically mean you will not. And he would not say as some have said that that automatically means he would not. He said, look, if you're going to run for president, you need to believe that you have something unique and critical to offer the country at a time in history. He is planning to run and everything he is doing is about planning to run. Robert O'Brien, who I profile less, but did mention is a very interesting figure because he comes from the traditional wing of the party, but he fit in very well with Trump in The White House and was his most successful national security adviser from the perspective of doing the job and not getting crosswise with the commander in chief. Could be a very interesting dark horse candidate as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. He's a Mormon. He comes from the west. There are pockets of Mormon voters in Arizona and Nevada, Idaho, other states where multi candidate primary, you might be able to do some damage. He's also interested in running. I classify him as less interested in Pompeo.
"mormon" Discussed on Distorted View Daily
"Feces. One hundred twenty. Cc's under my kneecap liquefied pumping in with more time as we end the week with the friday. show well the internet is absolutely abuzz with a very distorted view worthy topic yet. It's something i knew nothing about. We've never talked about this on the program. And so help me. God if there are any mormon listeners out there y'all are dead to me. How can you call yourselves. True and honorable freaks yet never thought to email or call into the voicemail line and explain soaking to me. i had to learn about it through. Tick tock tick talk. This is so fucking nutty. I actually had to do additional research. Because i was like. Oh this is fake. Someone's making this shit up as goof. Because they want their little video to go viral. No there are new stories about this. There are post from two thousand fifteen sixteen seventeen. I mean this has been going on for a long time. Boy did we drop the ball on. This here is a mormon to explain. What the hell soaking is young. Mormons usually like teenage to college students. Kind of age are very sexually repressed. Because obviously they're not allowed to touch themselves. They're not allowed to look at anything sexual. They're not allowed even like hugger. Kiss anybody for an extended period of time but sometimes it gets to a point where they just can't help themselves so soaking is a thing that happens and that is basically where the boy puts his penis inside the girl and then they just hold still no thrusting because that would be sad but if you put it in and you sit there and don't move. It doesn't that ladies and gentlemen is what soaking is all right before christians get all high and mighty talking about how stupid they says it is stupid. Don't get me wrong. But all religions have their own dumb. Sexual loopholes for instance. If you're a devout christian and you have a daughter. I got news for you. You're a little girls. Take out the shedder probably at speaking. It's not sex if he.
Mormon church to require masks in temples amid COVID surge
"The Mormon church's requiring mass in temples amid the covert search the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints has announced a mass will be required inside temples to limit the spread of cove in nineteen church leaders said Wednesday the mass will be required temporarily in an effort to keep temples open the message was the latest in a series of statements from church leaders encouraging masking and vaccination efforts in Utah where the church is based a summer surge of the virus among unvaccinated residents has continued to grow while vaccination rates have slightly increased I'm Walter Ratliff
"mormon" Discussed on Dogma Debate
"We're already an hour. We talked about some really good stuff though we we did. So where do you want to move. Now let's do well On the because. I feel like i nailed this so far. I feel like you guys are on the ropes. I'll i'll let the listen. Let listeners decide if that's the case L i if i go before you don't you dare try and flip me. I forbid it. Tell all your friends regilio Getting flipped wherever i end up. Leave me there. He says his what app is by proxy is just gives you the option and they'll you can still say no and the emphasis say no. I don't think you're gonna. I mean i grew up catholic. Are you sure that can still say no. Don't you guys add them to the mormon registry when you do it like some sort of big list of mormons like don't you advertise other. Do not call list for more. Is that such do. Yeah i mean you just want to sign up for terrestrial right. Now i'll drop the dachshund l. Make it official. So i wanna get into martin harris because martin interest wife took one hundred sixteen pages of what smith allegedly translated and destroyed them and said if we're lost them or whatever happened to. She did it on purpose. He's a smart smart. She's like jess. I mean really what we think is. She gave them to some other group of people that kept them the need altered them. So i wanna know what you think about that. And i also want to get into polygamy which is what we have to do but i am in a different studio this time so i'm limited on time yes right. You're going to do the rest of that so much. More at.
"mormon" Discussed on Dogma Debate
"Mormons are beautiful wonderful people right but the gay guy screws up in the mormon family is. He's also realize exactly what. I was getting easy. It's absolutely realize there's a lot of suicide. There's a lot of coordinate. There's a lot of problems for gays in the more eighty so by your head trading the mormon thank you religion. You are hurting hurting people. Well i i'm not that doesn't happen in my life but i'm not trying to be addict. I'm not saying that. I i have love for everyone including mormons which you guys are nuts pretty much. Yeah but yeah so. Yeah hurt does when you say not hurting anyone. Not quite true. And i've talked to my cousin about it and he's gay and grew up in the church no longer really in the church and i totally understand why I've i've had friends who also in the church gay i. I feel badly that. They are not accepted. But there is an issue theologically with that identity to me. It's there's also an element of you are choosing an element of yourself that may not be integral to your happiness and you're not above everything else how. It's not just people who were in lgbt community. It's not just gay kids. It's it's also lesbians also people who are transgender. Also people who are bisexual Yeah also women Mormonism is not necessarily the most gala -tarian beliefs. Their religions are not right. there are women. Who will you know who feel who are. Probably the smartest person in the relationship. Sure yet were not endowed with the milk hesitant priesthood. Dr not given this level of authority because they were born with vagina instead of now. They have to submit to their husband. Who might be a complete doofus and now he's leading the family down a path. She's obviously smarter and could be a better leader. But because of the mormon faith she is capped s to her level of a priesthood. she's kelleher level of authority and she has to submit to her husband. That's harmful to women. Yeah but that's also mischaracterization of what a real relationship is in a mormon marriage. So i mean i don't know you know obviously have the same authority as a man to do what to to make decisions about the household. Yeah hundred percent. She does yes. She does not have to have the same authority as a man. 'cause obvious with us in the faith with right like in a church setting it is problematic absolutely right and i think the church is evolving on that issue. But i don't think it's ever going to get to the point where there's a female congr- congregational leader like a female bishop. I don't think that will ever happen. Isn't that harmful to women. I don't know i mean i. I can see where women would be like. Well we're not all equal but we're not we're not all equal men can't have kids men can't do certain things women can't do no that's different capacities and that's different abilities. That's not the same thing is spiritual about men having the priesthood and women having the ability to give birth having a body that can do that in her dance. You think having a body that could go through. That would give you a little more authority to me. And i can't have children but one that live there is an issue in how authority is viewed and how it's exercised i mean you know. People are imperfect and anytime you have supposed power you're going to. You're there is a tendency to abuse it. Because i got to one note. I know but you know.
"mormon" Discussed on Dogma Debate
"In he do he head around. Kedah stand by my rules that okay gonna make sense to you right. We want exists right right. The conversation they would minutes long. We have treated like a book club. But yeah who. Who do you think is in heaven in that. I guess my question to you is this. How do you think these people get to heaven. You believe there's a ghost that lives inside of you that is you. That doesn't need a brain to have all your thoughts and all your memories and has no material existence whatsoever. It's completely immaterial and it really is you. And when the body dies the real you goes to heaven. That's what that's what you believe right. You're asking about like a spirit. The of the soul around and pontificate on it or does the mormon church pontificate on it. What is the answer to. What is a soul because that is where the whole thing starts and falls apart for me. Sure it's like oh you don't know what happens after you die. I say. of course i do. We've all seen a dead thing. It deteriorates it's gone and they. Oh you mean the invisible ghost that lives inside of me. That has all my memories that you have no proof action exist. You know what happens to that. After i die right. We're not to that point yet. You you gotta prove that thing exists and then we'll talk about what happens. Yeah that's fair. i mean. I don't think you can ever prove that that exists or disprove that it you know. You can't prove that it doesn't exist. I mean so. The answer for a mormon as to what the soul is the sole is the combination of the body and the spirit or another word that we use his consciousness so we do believe that we were a consciousness before this life we were born into a spiritual body with heavenly father and heavily mother then we get physical body here on earth with earthly parents and all of that continues and is reunited and the resurrection okay so but a sole yep a so for us is body and spirit. It's both it's both and common christian. Vernacular soul often is just spirit. We we disagree on that okay. But if i were to die in this moment yup my soul you believe. My soul is still inside my body. Your spirit would continue. Soul is not wear that would my spirit be your spirit would then enter this phase of spirit the spirit world right either spirit paradise without on your case prison for sure without my body correct. Yeah without your body. The soul the soul apart from the spirit. The soul is the combination if you think about it as an equation spirit plus body equal soul so for me. Part of your question doesn't make sense because a soul doesn't exist without a body. Okay so then. We need to talk about the spirit so came to spirit. Can the spirit have thoughts. Yeah i think so. I think spirit feel pain. I think so. I think that's part of what you know. A remorse and repentance is about okay where in the spirit or guilt and shame. Yeah we're in.
"mormon" Discussed on Dogma Debate
"Make that choice. Okay that's to add on his point then Does it sound like the god you believe. And that is a good god who would have someone born live to be fourteen years old and some distant part of canada somewhere and they don't world kanye. There's somewhere in a part of of of that country where they don't discuss mormonism. He never heard about it. He dies past the age of accountability. But still quite young. Do you believe that the god you worship is the god that will say rules are rules. I'm sending you to because no one else because you didn't learn about the mormon religion as of no fault of your own our understanding of heaven. Hal is very different from mainstream christianity. Okay so when we talk about hell. They're kind of two things we could be talking about. As members of the church and inscriptions. We understand hell to be either the state that we go to right after this life of spirit prison or spirit paradise which is what we call just after this world. This experience spirit prison is is what we believe commonly is referred to as hell in the scriptures okay which is a place of reflection and some penance. Four choices that you have made in this life but refers to it as the gnashing of teeth right and the literal lake of fire right. So that's a place of reflects. What i'm saying is there's there's that aspect of mormonism and then there is outer darkness. Which is i th which is what we believe that gnashing of teeth and eternal eternal damnation. That's what we're talking about. When we say outer darkness and very few people we believe actually go there. Oh relative percentage to you know the trillions of people that have lived right. Where do you think most people are. Most people are probably in the end and in some portion of heaven which we count and delineate in three levels of the bible says something like very few will enter the kingdom of heaven. I think it's something like one hundred forty. Four thousand is for that shirt. That's some church of christ. Group came up with joe witnesses jokes. Witnesses baby yeah. It's still but the bible does talk about you. Know we think that's weird. Narrow is the path to heaven but many will was a figurative numbers but if here have specific number one that's number like six. Is that a specific. Do you think everyone's gonna like everyone who follows. Satan is going to have the mark of the beast which is six on their foreheads..
"mormon" Discussed on Dogma Debate
"In bainbridge new york in eighteen twenty six right joseph smith at twenty one years old convicted of being a disorderly person and impostor and he admitted to defrauding people by being a glass looker and claiming to have dark powers including a magic seer stone. Right like tell people you could dig here. And they would dig and then he would leave with money and they thought they had treasure Scott johnson a patriotic connected to this and said Joseph smith had joseph smith had multiple criminal convictions including being a con artist. What logical thought process would lead anyone to conclude that that first-division actually took place when clearly. That's his track record. Yeah that's fair. i. I think of it as partially an issue of the times. A lot of people believed in these seer stones and this mysticism that surrounded religion in new york. At this time they also had like divining sticks they would find these sticks that would lead them to treasure supposedly I don't know. I mean. I think there's there's an element of mysticism in all religion. There's an element of magic. That that we have to that i think you have to entertain to some level to believe so i i agree with you that a lot of people believed it. Yeah but the people who were making money on it we're not to believers. They were defrauding people and they knew it. They knew it. Joseph smith you know put stones and a hat and said here's where the gold is. He knew rioting and then got convicted of that. Within four years of that conviction he claimed to have a vision as well of you know this angel who came to him and that's when the mormon religion started so yeah i mean. I don't know that that he. I mean maybe maybe. He truly felt that he was a criminal at heart and was truly defrauding people. I mean the the thing about fraud is that you have to prove a mental state and intent. And if he's pleading guilty to that he's basically saying or at least taking some responsibility he did. It says it says here that he needed to defrauding people right for the four. Like he can't prove that he knows there's right unless they go dig and there's no treasure you know how by then he got repeatedly and often. Yeah it was a pay upfront. Kind of thing. Yeah there are also records of him finding these treasures. I mean people wouldn't have trusted him if he hadn't found. You know what i mean. Now you can set that up however you want. I'm not saying that. Joseph smith and the reason i believe he had the first vision is because he had some accurate treasure hunting experiences. I look at those two things somewhat separately. But i do think there's an element of joseph smith's mentality and believing in something higher than himself that allows for that first vision to happen. If that makes sense does make. But i will that. I just say this real quickly. Every con man has an inside man. The guy with the tonic. That makes you strong. That gives it to the right. I've never met you before. Serving the crowd. And yeah yeah yeah. He lifts up the yeah. They're working together. So the guy that claims he can find treasures and then a guy goes hey founder treasurer on my right. He's he's a certain an side. Yeah that's fair. That's fair joe. Smith also grew up really poor and not not very well educated. There are ways that he wanted to find money. He wanted to create some wealth for himself outside of farming which had destroyed his. Would you say that that the mormon religion brought him power and wealth or at least some money Yeah i mean. I suppose but it's not like he's so died rich. I know ordered his family. Like there's not there's some smith state. He had rich but he also wasn't a printing press operator like he didn't have to go get a job right so this this this to support him. So yeah i guess the the issue he relied on charity of other people or if you want if you want to frame it super negative yeah. He was conning people to stay with them. I guess but that's not the way i look at well. No that's not the way. I look at it right but i'm as i can understand how one would right. So if he's willing to lie to people about a seer stone or a glad being a glass looker. The dow or whatever in order to get money. It's obviously in the realm of possibility. Not only plausible but quite possibly that. He was also willing to lie to people about this religious experience in order to get them to give him money in power. Sure that's also. He also got a lot of women as a result of this as well. Yeah bunch of hobbies Yeah a lot of them a little underage you bright right and we'll show you know on the polygamy stock. We can get into that a little later. But i think what. I was kind of alluding to earlier with this intent. He he faces up to it. I think because he feels guilty about not finding treasure but i don't know that really means he thought he was truly defrauding people. I think there was an element of joseph smith that believed in this magic ruined. You know what i mean. He's like this didn't work out. I'm sorry that it didn't work out. I'll take responsibility. I how would we know. The difference between deals mccown said the invisible and the non existent look very much alike shrine. So how would we know the difference between someone who who says i think our treasurer here give me money. And then they leap. How would we know the difference between a person who believe in a person who was defrauding. Well i think. I think you can look at especially in in the sense of this religion of the mormon faith look at the Effects both both positive and negative of the church. And i think there's more positivity that's come from following the faith at least in my life then what i've seen of friends of mine who have deviated from the faith. If that makes sense so that you know. I mean i think with experience right. If you're dealing with a person who you truly believe in as as just an individual and them making commitments to you but falling short. You know that's up to you do you. Do you really look at them trying to are they lying to you or are they really doing their best. Just not quite making it. Do you know what i mean sense. Just about everyone you talk to. And i think michael shares this opinion and a a lot of the nonbelievers who were on my patriot. Yes not exclusively non-believers but a lot of the nonbelievers they typically lead with. Mormons are always really nice. People sure very friendly very nice people so if if a mormon is trying to get me to come to their church just an everyday layperson mormon. That person i don't believe is lying to me I think that person wants me to be as blissfully happy as they are yet right. They're trying to save my eternal soul so that they don't have to baptize me by proxy later. They want easier that way. It is easier. It's easier if i just go willingly right. This is the easy way of the hard way because we'll get you. Yeah or don't go at all like the whole point of baptism by proxy is to give people who have passed on the choice to accept it crazy right. That's but you know wh why because we believe this guy is benevolent. God you believe in his. He didn't follow the rules but they're going to like it. Why can't god-given choice in the afterlife. Why do you have to jump in. Why does he need you to jump in and make this happen for them..
"mormon" Discussed on Dogma Debate
"Get into that but with all the notes in the world And all the prep in the world. You're still not gonna come up with any good explanations for the truth assure yasser street to heathens or to anyone. I know to missionaries my answers. There are a couple of members who might love his answers to save for the listener. Who didn't hear you the first time you're on That that michael is a good friend of yours. You guys go back a long time. You go back so when they hear michael being very mean to you right. They know that. I want them to know that it comes from a place of law not being asked your love pure love. Yeah sincerity Honestly and truly believe that. Seth as a big break career ahead of him and that We'll we'll be in great things from thank. Thank you speaking of that. Can we just get this out of the way. Because i know his comics always wanting people to know about our shows before we get into the heated part. Let's all i'll just say this. All of my show dates are on david. Smalley dot com of the big one. That i want everybody to pay close attention to september. Twenty fifth at ha. It's my show. I'm going to go up hosted. i'm hosting all night. I'm i don't have to. I could headline me on show. But i'm putting myself as a host because it's fun and but there are lots of dates on their david sees somali dot com on the page Seth excellent because your guest. We're working people find you. Thank you. i'm doing most of my stage time now at the nightcap and burbank. Oh fun little the wall and need to connect with that. Yeah yes. I want to get you both on. I'm starting to produce a clean ish comedy. Show the idea is late night. tv friendly. Oh i've got a bunch of late night. Tv's joe he's the so. I wanna get you guys both on there..
What Do the Scriptures Say About Abuse?
"Women of faith. You're really familiar with the wheat in the tears. And for you women who are not a faith. Please indulge me in listening to this and i would love your help as well. I've been studying the parable of the wheaton the tears and i'm wondering if matthew thirteen verse twenty five where it says but while men slept i wonder sometimes if that means that while the clergy while the legal system and basically any man who could stop the abuse but won't right they will not hold the abuser accountable. They won't believe us they won't listen to us. That as these men sleep that the children of the devil grew and grew until you could see their fruits. Basically is what this is talking about. And so a lot of victims of abuse try to justify not setting boundaries with the abuser. Because he's quote unquote a child of god like well. He's a child of god. And so i'm gonna love him and care about him and god loves him but in this parable starting in matthew thirteen it clearly states that there are children of the quote unquote wicked one. And i've really been thinking about the way that the scriptures both the bible and the book of mormon describe men who are not obeying the commandments. They don't say and he didn't obey the commandments. Because he felt shame and so we wanted to love him and care about him. They don't say that they actually call them a word and the word that they call them is wicked. This is a common term used throughout the scriptures. Part of me is wondering. Why don't use this term anymore. This wicked term and part of it is the christian. You know aversion to passing judgment but christ also asks us to decipher between good and evil. That's part of the reason why we're here on earth and so. I think this is an interesting thing to think about. There are those of us who have set boundaries. We've removed every single thing. The abuser can use to hurt us so essentially there's nothing left for them to use to hurt us except for one thing our children and because they're the dad they have that in and they're able to assert control that way every day. I has stories of shiro's victims of abuse who are slaughtered regarding custody in the courts. They're not believed or supported by their churches and everyday i hear about how their children these children of wicked men and righteous mothers are just dragged through chaos and
"Leave No Trace" Author: Pete Rock
"Pete. Rock is an immensely talented writer. His two thousand nine novel. My abandonment was made into the leave. No trace starring ben foster and thomason mackenzie pete. We finally get a chance to speak. Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you so born in salt lake city. Talked me about what you were like as a kid growing up right because many of your books in your kind enough to send me. I think it was two years ago. Night swimmers which i absolutely loved many of your characters in your books are people that aren't infringer. Society wanders. I wonder is that part of your childhood. Will kid where you what. What kind of talking about your life growing up in in utah. F- well there's the self mythology and then there's the truth Tell i have kids now. So i'm always explaining to them how i was a kid. I was an amazing soccer player. I was so good Which is what. I tell them. You know i was kid really like to read I was living in an environment that i think shaped me. a lot. Which is to say. I was surrounded by mormons. And i wasn't mormon and so every kind of typical child activity. You might have whether it was cub scouts or basketball. They all took place at the white house in my neighborhood. So there's a lot of praying before uniform inspection. We prayed and i would be paging through my cub scout. Handbook thinking where the prayers like. What is this about and so You know kind of a know super privileged white guy so it's sort of hard to talk about it as sort of being an outsider in any way because they've had a lot of privileges and at the same time. I grew up in an environment where i didn't belong in where everyone else seemed to be. Part of the conversation. Or part of a series of of gatherings that i was not
Mormon Vaccine Push Ratchets Up, Dividing Faith’s Members
"As the Mormon church ratchets up its push for vaccines the face members remain divided members of the faith widely known as the Mormon church remain deeply divided on vaccines and mask wearing despite consistent guidance from church leaders members who support the stance say their fear that some latter day saints who refused to get vaccinated are allowing their political views to supersede their loyalty to a fate that prioritizes unity and obedience other church members are upset that their leaders aren't letting them exercise their own personal decision making about vaccines and mask wearing the Utah based religion of sixteen million members worldwide is one of many face grappling with how to best navigate the lingering impacts of the pandemic I Walter Ratliff
Using The Keto-Alkaline Approach for Menopausal Women with Dr. Anna Cabeca
"Are the keys to mastering hormones. Now well i definitely say it's all about getting into that balance getting that peaceful state and always say there are three major hormones. We have to control right as gynecologist. I wanna say. it's progesterone estrogen testosterone. But it's really not to be honest. Insulin cortisol and then my absolutely favorite most powerful mormon in our body oxytocin. So it's those three that i teach now working with women as they're going through this midlife weight gain. I want to tell you this. I mean this is what i would tell. My patients kito Genyk guides don't work for women in this change of why they just don't work and i'll tell you what the reason is. I tell you go crazy. So what i found in my clinical practice understanding the research from decades ago looking at ketogenic diets thinking okay. You know sally you. You're forty five. You're gaining this way. Let's go and this buried carbohydrate restricted program and you know of course after we've done detox program. Let's go through this carbohydrate restricted program and this is the ketogenic this will help you burn fat and lose weight for sure. But you know when i would try to do and i'm like okay. Yeah no. I don't like myself this way. I'm getting irritable on edge of not appease. What's going on and my patients would say the same thing. So i said i call the keita crazy so as i as i hit this stage thinking okay well. What's the missing link here for women especially to avoid these symptoms and to empower their body into a fat-burning state which feels can feel really great. How do we create that balance. So that brought in the missing piece that we all know his functional medicine. Docs that's really key. When we detox people. We want them on an alkaline diet and i started checking i started having myself check my family friends etc. Check their urine. Okay they completely get an acidic urine. Ph let's not good long term. We need a good balance. We need to be alkaline. And acidic and our european and i help what you -ation so i started getting clients and myself alkaline. Burst and then going to kyoto says so starting eating more healthy greens carbohydrate bump talking about europe. And i know you know that. But i think that's where the literature gets really confusing like alkalinity. Doesn't matter it absolutely does. Our blood ph is gonna stay stable and we're going to rob our bones muscles etcetera in order to keep up ph stable but urinary will give us a good indication of what woods passing through our kidneys on a regular basis. What's our inflammatory know. What's going on from that cellular
Andrew Rannells: From Book of Mormon to Modern Love
"So like many people remember seeing seeing the tonys in two thousand eleven and soon after you popped up on girls. Hbo and have gone onto this largely tv and film career. Was that the plan all along. Did you want to transition eventually to tv while you were doing theater and doing the show. No not exactly. I mean i had wanted to be on broadway since i was a kid. And my dream had always been beyond broadway and to be a leading man on broadway and i the opportunity to replace a couple of shows than when i did that a couple times. I was like really like to do a new one. That would be nice. So i took some some time to focus on just trying to find new musicals that that i could come into to new york with and debut on broadway and it happened that it was the book of mormon every few years. There's a broadway show. That sort of attracts the attention of the west coast. It happened with rent in. It happened with certainly with hamilton and the book of mormon was also one of their shows. And if i'm being totally honest. I'd film two seasons of girls and then had done a pilot with ryan murphy for show called the new normal that was picked up and was going to be on. Nbc and i was still doing the book of mormon. While i was doing all of that i was still in the show. I didn't know that. Yeah and i was able to continue to do it. And then it got picked up. And then i had to move. I had to move to los angeles and it was an opportunity. That was too good to not pass up and it was not necessarily. The tv stuff was not necessarily always on my radar. I really just wanted to do theater
The Life of Bridget 'Biddy' Mason
"Mason was born on august fifteenth eighteen eighteen somewhere near hancock county georgia because biddy was born into slavery. The circumstances of her childhood are mostly unknown. But we know. She was sold to a family of enslavers mississippi by young adulthood. These new enslavers were robert. And rebecca smith farmers who made bitty look after their children tend to their livestock work the fields and act as a nurse and midwife for the family during this time he gave birth to three daughters of her own ellen and harriet. When robert smith converted to the new mormon faith he decided to pack up his family and moved to salt lake city with a group of other mormons. Of course biddy and the rest of the people. Robert enslaved were forced to come to in eighteen forty seven. The group traveled over fifteen hundred miles in three hundred wagon caravan across multiple states to get to utah bitty set up camp for the smiths cooked all. The food heard the cattle and acted as midwife all while taking care of her own three daughters though utah was still part of mexico at the time the smith family settled into. What would later become salt lake city. But soon robert smith decided he wanted to seek greener pastures again. This time in san bernardino california biddy. The smith family and the rest of their enslaved workers settled down near the santa ana river and set up a prosperous cattle business. There was just one problem for robert smith. Slavery was illegal in california. Robert tried to conceal this fact from the people. He had enslaved but the american civil war was brewing back. East and slavery was the major topic of the day. It was looking more and more likely that bitty would end up free at. The smith stayed in san bernardino so instead of allowing that to happen. Robert plotted to move the whole family to texas and to trick biddy into coming along
Where Mormon Doctrine and Biblical Doctrine Diverge
"You're saying that there are real sticking points. Unavoidable problems between what the mormon faith teaches unequivocally. And what the bible says unequivocally so this is not just you know point of view or or something like that because i think that many people could make the case that what the roman catholic church teaches is is right. That people can twist things in other words. You can have a conversation there about. Do they believe this. Exactly this exactly. But you're saying that the lines are really bright and bold that separate mormon doctrine from biblical doctrine. In this case. So i guess my question is do you When you're talking about that you say that the lds church teaches that we can become like god. How is that different from somebody saying that. Look the scripture says that were made in his image and we will be made to be like him through the process of sanctification. And that kind of thing. I think that the eastern orthodox call it. Theo cysts in other words. That's kind of the point is that we're supposed to be more and more like him. So that's not really a problem. Where does it become a problem. Yeah so so as you mentioned biblically through the process of vacation and the holy spirit dwelling in us. We are conformed to the image of christ. We've been having airship with christ right in the kingdom of heaven but that's not what mormonism teaches. They actually teach not that we become like god but that we ourselves become gods and so eventually once. You've progressed to this. Point of god hood you then have the power authority to create your own worlds to populate those world with your spiritual and go through the same process that we are then in on this earth and so it is a complete perversion of the idea that we somehow can attain that which god now has and so And just the exclusivity of the claim that the church is the only institutional organization that has the correct power authority from god right there several organizations in the world that claim that authority in the mormon church claims that they are the actual church that jesus instituted during his earthly ministry and only with the authority and the proper ordinances contained within that organization can an individual live eternally in the presence of
Why Autor Micah Wilder Was Threatened With Excommunication From the Mormon Church
"Monkey. You were saying earlier. That as you're going through this process you think anybody are thinking. Well okay Maybe i can help reform Mormonism from within whatever discovering is true and the mormons that you know they revere the word of god so they should be good with this At the same time of it doesn't work out that way. When did you get the phone. Call you or you have call elder wilder. When did that message come through. Did give us the background there. Yeah so what led up to. that is after. I'd come to this. saving faith. In revelation through the book of hebrews at the mormon church was not what it claimed to be I had actually publicly professed in front of about forty or fifty mormon missionaries. My new found faith. In jesus christ so as a missionary whose concluding my two year mission trip i was supposed to stand up and share my testimony in my testimony had radically changed from the beginning of my mission to the end and so i actually publicly professed that. I believe that jesus was all that i needed that. I was saved by his grace and not by works. And i now new for the first time in my life that i had right standing with god and the forgiveness of my sins through the shed blood of christ and so as a result of that public testimony my mormon leader ended up calling me and said we need to. We need to chat and so that was when the two of us went into a meeting and we talked for about three hours. And i very candidly shared with him. The things that i had been reading in the bible that i come to know that salvation was independent of the mormon church of any religious institution but totally dependent on christ alone told him that i no longer needed the mormon prophet or any earthly man to mediate between me and god that there was one god and one mediator in that is christ and so all of these things I came forward To him and he responded by telling me that. I was filled with the spirit of the devil And i was being deceived by satan and then he threatened excommunicate me in my mission was terminated. Three weeks early and at that point then is a twenty one year old Mormon missionary was put on a plane and sent back to utah and had to face my family and my
How the New Testament Opened Author Micah Wilder's Eyes to the True Gospel
"Mike. Take us back now. You're nineteen years old you you kind of stumble onto this baptist minister in florida. And you're trying to convert him to the mormon faith and you kind of bumped into the wrong baptist minister because this guy because there are many baptist ministers you could run into who wouldn't wouldn't have pushed back in the way that he did probably so what happens at this point Do you continue meeting with him or do you. Just go read the bible on your own. Yes so after his challenge to approach the new testament like a child. I i accepted this invitation but it wasn't in a humble or a childlike faith. It's because i believed in my own arrogance that i could prove the mormon church truth through reading the bible exclusively and so in the mormon church we had extra biblical scripture that we were adhering to for truth. So i'd never really put the same amount of of trust into the bible is is a christian should and so i then began this process of reading the new testament daily for the remainder of my mormon mission which was about twenty months and i actually ended up reading the new testament in total twelve times from beginning to end it was through the power of the word of god that my eyes were opened and i was washed by the water of the word of god and i started to see the difference in the gospel that i was teaching as a mormon and the gospel that was revealed in the new testament and i loved what you said before the break. You know paul said should we send deliberately so the grace may abound. Will god forbid right. So as a mormon i had the cart before the horse i was trying to earn a right standing with god and trying to prove my worthiness to god believing that it was through my works that i could somehow make myself righteous not recognizing that we love god because he first loved us and so our faithfulness in the works and fruit that are produced through us is that which comes as a result of love of gratitude of faithfulness to the god who loved and saved us and so we then walk in the good works the goddess prepared before him that we should walk in them and so i came to recognize that there was this beautiful gospel. This good news that jesus love for me with so grand and vast that he paid in full measure the debt that i owe to god and god was asking of me for justification was to trust in him to believe that jesus alone was the only way to salvation.
Author Micah Wilder on His Journey From Mormonism to the Jesus of the Gospel
"Of an exciting guest right now or at least. The story is exciting His name is michael wilder. The book Just came out harvest house passport to heaven. The true story of a zealous mormon missionary who discovers the jesus. He never knew passport to heaven. Michael wilder welcome nice to be here. Thanks for having me. This is an important story You've lived it. You put it in your book passport to heaven. But i think a lot of people there are many people that are not theological. And they can you know. They're kind of sloppy and they they don't really They don't care about the theology and maybe they're not just sloppy. Maybe they're just not focused on it but then there are other people that are hyper theological and all they care about his theology and so you started life as a mormon and something happened in this. Is that story A lot of people let me begin here would say look. I'm a mormon. Then i pray to jesus and i. I don't understand why you're making a weird issue of this. Would you say to to somebody like that. Yes so for me growing up in mormonism. I had this understanding of god that was rooted in who he was. According to my religion. Right so i was trying to establish a righteousness with god according to the laws and the ordinances mormonism so the awakening that i had was into the reading of the word of god that revealed to me that the gospel which i had vowed as a mormon was not in line with the gospel as revealed in the bible and so for me it was coming to that recognition that i was not following the jesus and the gospel that were the true jesus in gospel as revealed in the word of
The Founding and Crimes of The Children Of Thunder Cult
"On memorial day. Nineteen ninety nine. The helzer brothers attended a murder mystery. Dinner held at their local mormon temple that evening reportedly dressed in all black and thus stood out from the rest of suburban attendees. Most of whom were start shirts and press chino's. It was at that event that justin met don goodman a single mother mother in her mid twenties. Who had recently moved into town and was working a grocery store desperate to find a direction in her life. She decided to join the mormon church although she was said to be an outcast. Much like the helzer brothers will. Don began dating just shortly after the murder mystery dinner. She was reportedly fascinated by his cares. Medical brother taylor managed to convince her to join a self awareness. Seminar which consisted of spending a few days inside a windowless room while a facilitator aggressively badgered them to confront their inner demons which sounds like most university classes. I attended so not that crazy but no absolutely ridiculous After completing two of the seminars three levels don began receiving spiritual guidance from taylor. He had become completely unhinged by this point telling her that sometime in january two thousand it was his destiny to take over the mormon church by all means necessary. He also began calling himself. Don and his brother the children of thunder claiming that it was their mission to create a state of peace and joy for everyone.
"mormon" Discussed on Latter-Day Lesbian
"Of my face out is way less hours and less hours at church or i would skip a sunday in. Ben would take the kids are. Ben would take the kids. And i like whatever this like. I just go to settle. Yeah tied that tons. I don't get it with a loud full three hours. Tithe how about people who pay on net and not on gross net on gross. Yup yup. I was gonna say how about people who take stake conference sunday and general conference sundays as time off. Never no i go. They're your kids and you suffer through those two hours overflow over more righteous because of it. No you weren't yourself you earn more blessings. I mean if you don't take picture when you go to the temple. Did you even go. So the are you even temple worth. Are you even bear in the woods. And you're not there. Oh i'm sorry for the things that. When i was mormons aggressive shirt for shelley brielle so i have a new one tad those that. Listen to lots of podcasts and have been for years. The thing that i have added is. I'm sorry for the things i said. When i listen to joe rogan minute. You know we all have our pack. That's that's true. And i've come a long way. I've never listen to podcasts. You aren't missing gut. The last thing. I want to say is that this entire conversation is based around judgment hours or other people's both. Yeah off and i get really frustrated when i can envision imagining an active mormons response to this conversation which god bless any active mormon that would ever listen to this If an mormon listens to this and they think you're just judging all these people. You're being so genuine mayor. The judges of the mormons. Yes you're right. I am and i feel that i was taught to do this Some people may not feel like the church taught them to be judgmental of every person and everything and every whatever i absolutely believe that the church reinforced judgment hierarchy Comparison i absolutely believe that. That is where i got it from you. Get it just like the good things you get. The bad things from watts of different places k. We know this our society at large also sort of value rises. These things putting yourself above other people comparing yourself to other people. That's the whole thing. It's all comparison society of. But i really believe that the judgment was enforced in that not just the culture but also in the doctrine also in the teachings that got in my lessons i would argue that till my dying breath so i realized that. We're being very judgmental we are. It's something i struggle with. It's something i'm working on. But i totally believe that. It was reinforced in that place. For sure it was. The one hundred percent basis of mormonism is putting people into different categories. It'd be judged based kind of person goes to this level of heaven. Do you like my life. Do you want to have my life here. Your poor little lowly life. That couldn't possibly be as good as mine. Let me give you this thing. That i have so that you can have a good life like me. Yeah so the first level of judgment is to everyone who has decided to not be a mormon because yes we are the one true church. Yes so i'm going to judge all the rest of the world who is rejecting this. Then the second level is internal with se organization. Being good enough internals can we judd bishop track and you got to be on the presidency track and you got ta temple you your tithing all the scene and do not fucking believe any person that goes there and doesn't think that they're doing that right and that is kind of what it comes down to is when these sort of nuanced progressive. Whatever we want to call these act mormons that we've been talking about the that. Do these things that we didn't feel like we had access to when we were mormon like. You're doing that whether you think it or not and there are people there that are judging you and you may not care that's great. I hope for all of us that we can get to a point where we don't care what other people think but that's happening because it is a hierarchical system and it's a patriarchal system and that is all just like it's a web. You can't get the chewing gum out of that hair. It is not peanut butter in the world. No chewing gum out of that now. There's not so we're all all of us. Humans are looking for that. Serotonin dopamine rush right. Yeah what sucks about the mormon church in particular. Is they believe that you're going to get that by going to church. Every sunday and feeling superior being the best mormon yep yep superiority you'll over others is that happiness feeling for that's a lie. It's a lie and all of the boxes that you check every time you read your scriptures. Every time you go to the temple. Every time i go to church. We've asked for twenty four hours. You get to check this box and you get to say that you're feeling the spirit and say the receiving blessings but all that you are actually doing is relieving yourself of that momentary anxiety of. I didn't do this. I've i didn't do this thing no for sure. It's all just relief than bomb checking. That's that's not the spirit. That's not blessings since relief and we shouldn't even have to be there in the first louis needing to check that box and needing that relief was imposed on you by this organisation who didn't think there is plenty of scientific material. That would prove to you. That meditating is going to do the exact same benefits for you that prayer or scripture said he would do. It was my comment and relief society. It's so one sort of like comment that i made. That made people like sort of uncomfortable and flustered was when this woman was like we like to have families scripture study every night because it really brings peace and really like brings our family together and i said I think if you like. Read harry potter as a family. Like maybe lena these days. 'cause jd rallying. But before we knew that. I think if you read like herald and piggy gerald williams those pocket books are great design. Both play fucking uno right like nazi thing. It's not the book of mormon. It's not your fucking indoctrination of hate that is bringing the family. Those children fucking hate family time.
"mormon" Discussed on Latter-Day Lesbian
"I'm a feminist. That's not accepted in the mormon church. I'm trying to make a change from the inside baba above okay that stage. You're building bridges building bridges. All of those people want to build a bridge fucking leave and join me berry. I'm being very generalizing. And i haven't actually spoken to these people so i don't know what they would say but my expectation is in the conversations. I have had with people like this. They're just like it's our family culture. It's a good way to raise kids. Which is not on but they they just. They're like i do what i want like. There are mormons that are just say like that. They make their own decisions and they do what they want. Which i'm like. Yeah it's a great place to raise male narcissists and female codependence absolutely. Let's just say what it is. I think this too when people are like. It's a great way to raise people. If you could start at zero with no knowledge of any religions right you were not born into anything like a dream. Let's could choose if one religion or which religion would you want to raise kids in. No one's gonna fuck and pick mormonism. Everything has missionary discussion knowing everything like about the sex cult part when they know that it does wounds ain't telling this girl they know the damage. The church does when they know that he lives a pedophile. Absolutely right as a pedophile. That's an interesting question. Who would who would do that. I really feel like. I know some people would okay. Let's look at some people. Want their life spelled out for them and rain does that for you but if they understand the damage that this spelling out don't it does damage and that's what i'm wondering though if you eat aren't with no knowledge of anything. Is this what you would pick let so. This is where language is tricky because what we call damage they call something else. Good point i remember having an orlando happiness. Exactly i remember having with one of my good friends about the confession process and how i believe. It is a disgusting manipulative practice. An inappropriate on every level illegal and she believed that it was a really important and necessary step to have to like basically verbalize your sin so this is another thing also we disagree on what is thin there so many steps but if you are operating under this like this is and this is necessary and this will bring you happiness. Of course she would choose that thing but we have to all be on the same page. Like that's why. I can't have conversations with people in my family about whether or not i believe in god or whether i'm worried about what happens when we die because they're having a conversation where all of these words have one definition and all of those words have a completely different definition for me. Gotcha so it just doesn't compute. There's no common ground lease. Go computer you have to do this. Go does not come to as compeer robot arm. Yeah so for the listeners. Out there right. I knew i was going to leave. I knew it in the back of my head. I knew i was going to when you're wearing tank tops. Yes yeah but if anyone had said that to you at the time. You're gonna leave aren't you. Would you have known answering. Try really hard. It's because i my sister said to me. It looks like you're looking for a reason to leave. And i said i am desperately trying to find reasons to say okay. I didn't want to explode my entire world. So your problem with the bikini wearing folks at the pool is that maybe they're hypocrites hip okay in my definition of hypocrites they definitely are hypocrites and that is a frustration for me. I am jealous. I am envious okay. It was how am. I glad that i left the mormon church. One hundred percents Was it really really hard. Did i want to find another way. Yes so are you saying jealous because like going back ten twenty years. I wish i could have had that existence within mormonism. I wish i could have for whatever reason. And however they came to that ability in themselves to make their own decisions and to feel comfortable going to church on sunday and wear a bikini and drink champagne on their anniversary and watch rated r movies. Whatever never i would. Never i would have never been in the bishop's office every single week saying things. I am jealous and envious of that now. I hope they don't feel guilt. I hope that those people are not feeling guilt. I hope that they feel like they are adult human beings that can make autonomous choices because they are and they can But i also think that it always goes back to the kids for me and it's not worth damaging your children and it's not worth further marginalizing women children. Lgbtq people people of color is robert any of those people to to be able to wear a bikini and go to church anthony. Let's remember also it damages the boys to oh damaged yes. It does resign. Thank you for marina. That's true and we've talked about that. With ben to like when he was on the podcast ten thousand years ago that he was also damaged by patriarchy. It doesn't serve anyone except for the person that's in the most power right. So exactly. I guess russell on nelson's doing great analyze such a piece of shit. Let's talk about How about i would've never gone a sacrament meeting and then gone home so.
"mormon" Discussed on Latter-Day Lesbian
"Cues to music okay. So today's foam pod is correlation yet. Mary is that what you just said. It is what i said. What the fuck is correlation. Need to guess something. Get the exact The exact mission but when correlation hit. I'm trying to think of the context. Back in the seventy isn't but not necessarily well. It sounds like some sort of rule. That comes down from the elders from jesus soms from jesus but how is that different from yourself going on that. They update frequently like some rulebook. They've update frequent the manual like the manual. Isn't there manual handbook or something. Okay checkbook. no that's not a any kind of church. Handbook buckling okay. I have no idea what this is sir. Please so my explanation of it. And then i will read to you some things that i found on the google's but my explanation is like it's basically when the church made everything the same everywhere so you know how other religions you can go to different buildings or whatever and they're not all streamlines it is what made mormonism super streamlined. Which is why people are like. I can go to church anywhere around. The world would agree thing. That god is a good children are taught the exact same thing the does the movement began in nineteen sixty. When harold b lee a member of the form of took over a committee formidably titled the all church coordinating council their mandate was to coordinate the curricula of the church's various programs youth organization. Sunday school and so on and eliminate overlap but lee a talented administrator and forceful personality had grander visions than simply curbing waste over the next decade. He successfully revamped the churches organizational chart consolidating governance in the form of the twelve and stripping independent authority from the women's association the sunday school and the youth programs. He also established a system of review for all publications produced in the church from him. Books to sunday. School manuals to periodical. This material is now surveyed for theological accuracy and adherence to various church goals. If it is given the official stamp of approval it is deemed correlated. You have been correlated which means that it comes from god like that's the interpretation and that was an i think that's what combined all meetings onto sunday and also like you couldn't go out to eat you had to keep the sabbath day. Holy they had certainly the walking and swiping. I think older like older older members of the church might have even been allowed so my one grains drink decaf coffee like that was somehow like acceptable in older generations. So yeah well now. Avoid even the berry appearance right. I mean nothing. That says chino. No driest day hyphen. Chino on might coffee in it. So sunday. shopping rated r movies. We see anyone else's asking. Yeah well that's what i wanted to say so for those listening you may not realize we're we're doing this on facebook live and the question came in Did you ever wear tank tops or other. Contraband or other like do things that she said. Did you ever do things that you knew. Were wrong or were against what. Your current standards were just to sort of easing out. No despite the church or some the big one of course was the nose piercing. Oh yeah. I don't think i didn't do that. Despite the church. I knew i was gonna catch hell when i went in for the nose. Pearson those piercing but at that point i wasn't planning on leaving just was frustrated with this whole fall. The prophet thing. And i wanted to bring more jesus back in you know. I was frustrated about the weird shit that had now become from god like president. Hinckley saying that basically. He didn't prefer multiple piercings in that somehow became a commandment ray. I'm always having issue there. But i wasn't intending the get you. Do you remember how you phased out wearing garments i do. It was keith sweat. Weekend i go. Yes so two of my friends at the time. They surprise me with the concert of key sweat which was one of my favorites in the ninety s. And you turn hugged one of them and not the other and it was world war one. Oh god tire kathy. Yep yep well. It was good. And i decided because i was already questioning but again i was doing that. Weird like denver stuffer show. Yeah it was so fucked up. So i decided that week and i was not gonna wear garments and then did you ever put him back on. Yeah okay off and on for church. Yes i was worthy church. Go ahead mary. But i think the question is this could apply to either of you when you knew you were leaving. Did you do anything. Purposeful be like fuck you charge on your way out. Not at church. No not at church. I think i'm with you. I probably wore my garments Did you go to church in address without garments. Oh yeah wa shoulder showing. No nothing was showing. I was still wearing garment appropriate clothing. Yeah but i was not wearing garments. No i stop wearing garments almost a year before i stopped going. Why because they are the worst. Yeah of course by taking them off did you. They were anymore It's hard to remember what i thought. So i administer this very specific phasing out of wearing garments so it first started with like okay every person who gets a period knows that wearing garments when you have your period is very very annoying. So exposed to not wear underwear underneath your. Oh yeah no the garments leg gets skin to protect you from firing and gunshot correct so they definitely bullet got the first base was like okay. Well i'm not gonna wear the bottoms when i have period and then during the summer it was like well. This is just kind of annoying. So like i'll just not wear them when you know you have all these rules. You make all these exceptions. And you're like i guess it just won't wear them this time or i won't wear them this time. And then we went on a family vacation family reunion with ben's family and i decided to not even bring them with me new so i didn't wear them that whole time that we were in florida and i wore tank tops and i wore whatever and then within a very short amount of time i just stopped now in my experience. The men in my life who have left the church is taken them way longer because because they don't have periods will they don't have periods and also some men have periods but not all men have mormon macey with china's right just like to be very inclusive. Thank you for that. you're welcome. I pride myself on it. Or i try you do great. So they try. It's like shorts and tee shirt for it. He's not a big deal. Mimics closer to what they would normally be wearing now once they stop wearing them and they realized like oh. I don't have to be sweating like crazy in this shirt. Because i have another shirt under it or these boxer. Briefs are way shorter. I can wear more comfortable clothing. Like ben has great legs. I like him to wear short shorts couldn't wear garments with those shorts. No like they would be way too long. They go to your great legs phenomenal. So it's hard not harder for them but they it just has in my experiences taken them longer to take them off but once you buying other stuff and then you're like oh this underwears cuter. Oh this is improving my sex life. Oh this is more like like why would you wear them. But you wore a tanked up as a mormon but not as a believing mormon is now not as a believer nuanced. I was young. It will how is that different than the people. You're running into in the pool who were wearing the bikinis because they don't think that they would say that they're nuance. Would you have at that time when you were wearing. Yes okay i would have been like..
"mormon" Discussed on Latter-Day Lesbian
"You see current mormons do that when you were mormon. You were never allowed to do. Yeah my first answer was. It's july and i go to the pool and there's a bunch mormons at the pool and all these people are wearing bikinis. God i'm so pissed couldn't wear bikini until i was thirty two years old. Were you already out of the church. Plant okay yes no. You were teetering. No i might be lying. I maybe started wearing a bikini. When i was twenty eight or twenty nine before i left the church so for bell yes because i did stop wearing garments before i left the church so i probably was wearing a bikini okay so maybe these people are on their way out. This is the thing i know. I know an active mormon who recently got their nose pierced. And i said this to some friends and they were like oh i give her a year tops. And i'm like no. Because i think active mormons are just doing whatever they want getting piercings wearing bikinis bunch of them just like don't wear garments or they like drink when they go on vacation. You're not mormon. You're not what. I thought it was when we were in. It drives me bananas. Is it an age thing like is it a younger mormon experience. I don't believe so because these people are all my age or older than i see doing these things. So one thing that i think has changed the church. A lot is the pandemic. I think it will be interesting to see how many people have left during or or right conference. That will get the accurate numbers. Oh yes you're right. And what is that most ridiculous statement. Never I think that a lot of people will leave. I think a lot of people have loosened things. But i also think that as the world becomes more progressive. I shouldn't say called progressive but as the world sort of shifts in that direction of more freedom and.
"mormon" Discussed on PodcastDetroit.com
"Not to like the creepy guy that that show like. Yeah what the he had outside the that guy yet here by holy shit all i could think of releases the letter and everyone lose because it challenges the mormon history and the origin story and the entire faith Steve christianson ends up donating the letter to the church. So now they have total control over this letter. So then the next thing that i have an i don't know low. You can correct me if i'm like skipping ahead too far but the next thing i have is just Who he's a coin. Collector and mark hoffman Would calm into his store With stuff for him and he had like it was almost like He would ask al. Alvin ross basically like what are you looking for. And then whatever he was looking for mark hodson leahey mount right exactly. Suddenly mark hoffman fines. So he tells alvin not. He found this rare collection in new york city but he needs help financing to buy and he needs one hundred. Eighty thousand dollars to buy this collection and this is called the mcclellan collection and The latter in there was from joseph. Smith's wife and that details. It was actually joseph smith brother who i found the gold plate. Glad you have that. And this would be devastating to the church because we have to remember that statues joseph's right not only that yes okay that also The mormons are so huge into genealogy like this totally throw off like who would be in charge of the church who would be who would have power. who would not have power right. I mean this would question all of that So the church outbids marksmen for these quote unquote mcclellan ladders hundred thousand. They didn't outbid hundred so he's asking for one hundred and eighty thousands to finance to buy alvin brought. He was asking alvin. Ross for this money yeah for the into a guy who owns a Mclean clock he's got a coin in town sort of you know he always finds like the old mormon script kerr the old currency that they used in that kind of stuff. He's he's we've got this whole great relationship going and he's any comes from and he says hey you know. I found this thing mclellan collection. It's gonna cost one hundred eighty grand a by. But i've already got the mormon church on the hook right to pay three hundred right. So can you front me this money right so that i can go by this and the race split it and he was. He was really generous with all he was going to split money people. Yeah no. I know. I know i'm.
"mormon" Discussed on PodcastDetroit.com
"This runway for those who don't know so mormon so the whole home whole church is based on There was a guy named joseph smith Who according to the stories when out into the woods In this is this is the story as he tells it He was visited by an angel. The angel moroni or And told him to go out in the woods and find these golden plates Which because the bible's wrong And and didn't tell the story right at so The book of mormon is supposed to be the third and moat and only accurate book of the bible where jesus is caucasian and and And and it was born In america i would. And and all this jesus and All all native americans used to be white right until one tribe turned against jesus and he made them read. Oh my arm also. Oh it's it's not just it's not just a cult others though the mormons are just as racist as the rest of like hardly. I need diversity within the mormon church. They're all white. They're all blond. They're all very very area. Yeah so good so great that you brought this up so this story actually takes place in salt lake city in nineteen eighty s and It begins with his brief overview of mormonism and We find out there is like within mormonism. There's like this divine mandate to preserve history and so mormons are really really enthusiastic about finding these rare documents and every religion has this like the vatican. The vatican archives are ridiculous of stuff. But like this were for us to newsflash this is like the eighteen. Hundreds like more just came about relatively recently it history. Yes absolutely. so there's like within salt lake city. There's all these like dealers and these rare document finders And you can. You can actually end up making a lot of money Trying to find these these rare documents and and what have you and that's kind of like where our story begins So as dave mentioned like early mormonism is filled with treasure. Treasure tales and In mormon are artifacts and mormons everywhere trying to seek them out and so This leads us to one of our major things is is our our main guy Martin men trying to find the as rare documents and of course doesn't set anyone off that he finds them all right now oakland. But here's a huge thing like okay so like the i did i give again. This documentary could have probably been an episode or two shorter. Let many get that out of the way but they do a really good job. Because by the time episode four hits. I'm.
"mormon" Discussed on The Good Fight Radio Show
"Passing the angels who standards sentinels the able to give them the key words. The Sign Tokens and in your eternal. It's okay if you heard that you're actually hearing a works based salvation. The Bible says was saved by grace. Faith adversaries gift to God that works ascended to boast. Here you have to go through these endowments go to the president. The father figure receive your exultation. That's quite interesting because they have reenactment of Lucifer. Satan deceiving adamant deceiving Eve Eve to Adam as quite interesting what goes on there. Because it's there that you see the influence of masonry justice with his was a mason. They have secret you know things that they do as well. Joe Smith brought some of these symbols and some of these things is into mormonism. In fact. If you go into a Masonic temple you'll see it upside down like the go-to Mendis or the bathroom. Format you know The same shape you go into the Mormon Temple. Yes what you'll see the same thing. An upside down Pentagram but it gets worse if they could write It's interesting because it when it goes through. The Abbot of deception follows the biblical narrative. A little bit. But it's quite a bit loose and then all of a sudden you find out they'll guess what Adam is given to fruit by Eve after he's been deceived by Lucifer but he has to eat it if he wants to be fruitful multiply so actually becomes a good thing. It's kind of like a thing he has to do. Instead of you know it'd be a bad thing and evil thing that brings destruction of curse. It actually is necessary to be fruitful multiply. That's that's one way that Satan shows within this secret temple episode endowment ceremony just called that. It's actually a good thing to partake of the fruit of the tree. Ballots GonNa evil. That was interesting at the twenty five minute mark in this video at or about what you can do Tony. You could actually probably just give a link for people WANNA put everybody scripture and so they can go to. That'd be awesome. It's about an hour and thirty five minutes but you could actually go to certain I'll give you the time goes like you go to twenty five minute mark That's eve gives the fruit to her husband. And then you know at twenty five sixteen seventeen seconds twenty five minutes seventy seconds Adam asked Lucifer loose Bernie says why is it April you have on because Lucifer who's identified as Lucifer he's identified. It shows him wearing this. Dark Green Apron. Isn't that interesting. Why is this dark green apron? Guess what Lucifer says it is an emblem of my power and priests hoods. Wow whoo the world. That's not the Bible. But he showing this a symbol of my power and my priesthood not by priesthood plural. which is kind of interesting because Mormons have priesthood kids that are not mentioned for the church? The erotic priesthood. They had the kinetic pre said the raw priesthood. Was that the priest of Errand. The Levi's that's passed through Jesus death across that's part of the old covenant but they have a totally different priesthood. They resurrected when they have the the Bible says. Jesus is a priest after the order. Oh kick and it's an untrustworthy. Priest only can have it because a kid is because the the King of righteousness a kringle King of Salem. Who Abraham ties? He was a picture of Christ. That's only his priesthood. Priesthood conferred on themselves. And what's going on there. You're conferring priesthood. That don't belong view. The affiliation again saint wanted to beat them that you know you could become God claims Klay to be something. They're not there. It is again through interesting. So loose for tells out in Eve to make themselves aprons hide and also Elohim Elohim in Galway supposedly talking and and then Adam replace covetous hide they take off and you think all the wars are watching this. That are part of the ceremony you have actors. They're sitting there watching this then. Guess what happens the Mormons that are watching this part of the ceremony and there maybe a lot of them. I adopted ceremony. Guess what they obey obey Lucifer. Guess what they're told after right after we were told to go make for themselves serpents or make for themselves Aprons guess what they're they're told to go and make or sorry. The Mormons that are participating ceremony. They're told to put aprons on their told to put their greed aprons on. Guess what they do they put renee preside and Tony Key played from the twenty five. Th The twenty six.
"mormon" Discussed on UnErased: The History of Conversion Therapy in America
"Me. And Caroline, you can probably see where this is heading. But it took an unlikely catalyst to motivate Kate into action. We can bring this country back. I met Romney. I believe in America. And I'm running for president. All of sudden Mormonism is being talked about by the whole country. You think it would be excited by the possibility that the US might have its first Mormon president. Hey, but she wasn't cases. The media focus was all about how Mormons are just like us mitt Romney's, not polygamous. He hasn't a normal family guy. Look at all those children Mormons love jello. Like Kate could not believe what she was seeing. Because to her. These stories were missing the point. Which is that Mitt Romney participates in an institution that fundamentally discriminates against women at every level and doesn't allow them to be leaders. I felt like that was more politically relevant and yet known was discussing it. So after the Romney near-miss. We almost had Mormon president. I decided like somebody has got to do something about this. And Finally, I was like dang. I am somebody like I've got to do something about this after chatting with a friend Kay decided. Okay. I won't fully quality for Mormon women and the only way to access official leadership and to perform sacred rights is to be ordained to the priesthood. And so I said, okay, we'll call ordain women. How did it feel to say that? Yeah. If felt crazy it's hard to explain to outsiders. How extremely revolutionary. Those two words are ordain women. You could count on your hand a single hand. How many people would publicly advocate for female ordination before we started. This group. The church has a long history of repression and retaliatory tactics against people who speak up, and so people are afraid to voice any counter opinion. And we should know that wasn't the first Mormon feminist not by a long shot. I mean, it goes back to the founding of the religion really where you have Mormons involved in the suffer just movement. You have a Mormon feminist movement. Start in the nineteen seventies along with the broader women's lib movement, but it has been really hard for Mormon feminists to find each other and organize before the internet. So when Kate was starting ordain women. It was still really hard to find the other Mormon feminists out there. It was like old school organizing like calling people like finding someone who had written an article about it in the eighties. And then like finding that person. And then asking them, if they do it in the asking them, they knew anyone else and that, and it was also secretive we had to be so secretive about it. I I wouldn't even send emails or texts about it. Because I didn't want anyone to have any written documentation to screen shot or share. But she did find people, and they introduced her to other people and soon they're holding conference calls, which were, you know, a little boring and always awkward because conference calls, but it was also really exhilarating. Mormon women aren't used to being in charge of themselves. So it was as totally unique experience where we were our own bosses. So it was super elating to participate with other women and decide what to do with other women, and we never had to run it by a man. There. I action was making a website or Dane women dot org, and they had a plan to post some videos. It would sort of spoof. This very big campaign from the Mormon church of time. So the Mormon church has a campaign called I'm a Mormon which is basically designed to convince outsiders that were super normal and hip. I'm a husband. I'm a father family, man, snowboarder escape boarder names. Jerry Jones, I'm a Mormon. We totally skateboard guys. It's cool. We decided to reverse that campaign and tell people are stories and our connections to Mormonism and then say, and we also think women should be ordained mining Kate Kelly an aunt for amazing, Isa's international human rights law. Attorney. I'm a lifelong faithful Mormon than return missionary. And I believe that women women should be ordained to the priesthood. It was very important to us to assert are true identities, which were active faithful orthodox Mormon women. And so that they would know this was coming from the inside. So with the help from her husband who fully supported or cause and another friend Kate shot, the videos, they made the website and on Sunday March seventeenth twenty thirteen. They went live.