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Gender Based Harassment Doesn't Have to be Sexual

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Gender Based Harassment Doesn't Have to be Sexual

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So in our continued coverage of the metoo movement and all of the wrinkles there in you wanted to tell you that the head of CBS les Moonves says recently stepped down from CBS moon. Bez is a huge media big year. He oversaw the CBS network which included show is like the big bang theory sixty minutes and NCIS the premium cable channel Showtime in the publishing house, Simon and Schuster. He was also a pretty big male vocal proponent of me too. And in December, he helps found the commission on eliminating sexual harassment at advancing quality in the workplace, which is chaired by any hill. But according to a new piece by who else? Ronan Farrow six women would professional dealings with less moon best between the nineteen eighties and the late odds that he sexually harassed them or described forcible touching or kissing during business meetings in what they said appeared to be a practiced routine. To said that Moonves physically intimidated them or threatened to deal their careers. All said that he became cold or hostile after they rejected his advances and that they believed their careered suffered as a result. So add another name to that creep list. It's getting Coit long. We could turn this show into just like creeps mom ever. Yes. Crepes mom never told. Which would not be very fun to listen to, but important on the informative, having having a. Updating creep list and updating creep list. Just hours after Ronin Faeroes pieces, published moon Baz was ousted from his role at CBS. He will stay on as an adviser and CBS will pay him one hundred twenty million. If it's ongoing investigation fails to find any evidence of sexual misconduct, which just doesn't seem quite right. Yes. So he's sort of a creep in residence right now? Exactly. It's got to have an onsite creep available at all times. Yeah, just in case well, any the Daily Mail actually points out that according to an SEC filing CBS my actually be the one putting the Bill quote within thirty days following the termination date. The company will make contributions in the aggregate amount of twenty million to one or more charitable organizations that support the metoo movement and equality for women in the workplace five and knows. So it does actually seem like they're suggesting it will be a joint donation from moon vs. CBS, but CBS might actually be the one that's picking up the Bill according to this filing. It's really upsetting and kind of a predatory. An interesting predatory. I don't know, like a way to hide what you're doing when if less Nunez was supposedly this big advocate for me too. It's almost a way of hiding behind that when you're you're creep, really? Oh, foreshore. It does not surprise me at all that he was this vocal proponent of me too. And was propping up commissions to investigate sexual harassment in the workplace while actively sexually harassing women in the workplace? That's not surprising to me at all. Just look at the former attorney general of New York who was a very vocal metoo proponent while also being terrible to women. You know, it doesn't surprise me at all that he would be someone who is very vocally supportive of this movement while also being a creep himself. That doesn't surprise me, and it is a tactic that I think abusers would use. Sort of throw folks off the trail and make them seem like they are one of the good guys when they're not all on a lesser on a lesser scale. It kind of reminds me of win, say you're at a bar and a guy approach issue, and somehow it comes up and he says, oh, I'm very, very feminist, but it's almost more of a way to she'll like this like not really feminist. You just want a girl to come home with you? Yeah, I have this theory that men that use feminism to hit on women. What they actually mean is, oh, I like women with sort hair or like, oh, you know, I don't think they mean what they think it'd be sure that's a good theory. There is one thing that we wanted to talk about that is sort of different about less Boone vez's case and his behavior, and it's that gender based harassment is not always sexual. That's exactly right. So these women alleged sexual harassment, groping kissing in meetings that sort of thing. But when this story came out, another wrinkle of it is the fact that he had been derailing. The careers of women that sounds like he just didn't like they were melty feminist. They didn't kiss s and that he was such a powerful figure that he systematically derailed the careers of these women that might have otherwise gone onto flourish. And that this was a big part of how he treated women during his tenure at, and I feel like this is something that can really get lost in the metoo mix that harassment does. It have to be sexual. It doesn't have to be groping or kissing and things like that. Sometimes it's powerful 'gate-keeping men sabotaging. Derailing careers based on gender, and that's exactly what happened with two women chain and Jackson and Linda bloodwork Thomasson. So first of all, if you haven't read designing women, show runner, Linda blood worth Thomasson. Her piece in the Hollywood reporter called not all harassment is sexual. You need to. It should be like a requirement for this episode. Oh my God, yes. I pause the episode. Go read it. It's one of those pieces where my you know that that. That sound of that. That's an reggae music. Yeah, I was my feminist air horns were blaring after every paragraph, every paragraph I read on the back of my mind. I was hearing. Is it was so good. It's so good that it was a struggle not to include the entire essay in this podcast. Yeah. The episode could spend us dramatically reading this podcast with air horns, sound effects. And I would've been happy with the podcast that we've, let's maybe that could be a bonus episode because. Sounds like aggregate on beat. I, it'll be it'll be it'll be the hottest song and the club for like eight people who go to hear feminist essays read over music. Two of us included. We'll be on, say, did it kind of omega a remix of of a beyond Sesana instead of we should all be feminists. This essay I am here for it. Just listen to this opening line. This is not going to be the article. You might be expecting about Lezama invest. It's not going to be wise. We're inspiring. It's going to be petty and punishing in spite of my proper southern. Mother's admonition to always be gracious. I am all out of grace when it comes to Mr. moon vs. In fact, like a lot of women in Hollywood. I am happy to dance on his professional grade and not just any dance. This'll be the Macarena the rumba shot CIA for moonwalk. You get the idea. I do get the idea. It's so good also, can I say because she is the former show runner of designing women. I don't know if you'll ever watch designing women. This reads like a Julia sugar Baker monologue. So if you watch that show, you know the women were prone to, you know, feisty feminist rants I in my mind, Julia sugar. Baker is reading this and it ends with and you will never altered drapes in Atlanta. Again, if you watch designing women, you get that reference, you don't. You're confused. But trust me, it's great and all the while there's there's the hip hop. This is the whole thing we're creating find Dixie Carter the woman who played Julia sugar Baker delta Burke beyond, say, get them together, get up producer on it and and make this track. I'm telling you it will be a banger. I think they're going to be. We're not gonna have any trouble getting them on board at all. At all. If you're wondering if you're not sure what's going on here, what Linda blood were Thomasson is talking about. She's writing about how Moonves systematically boxed her and other women lead shows out of CBS. She writes, I was never sexually harassed or attacked by lesbian. Bez by encounters were much more subtle in 'gendering a different kind of destruction in one thousand nine hundred. I was given the largest writing and producing contract in the history of CBS. It was for fifty million involving by new series with hefty penalties for each pilot not picked up. So after Moonves became president of CBS entertainment in nineteen ninety-five. The network didn't pick up any of her pilots. She writes, often, if he would catch me in the parking lot, he would make sure to tell me that my scrip was one of the best he had ever read, but that he decided in the end not to do it. It always seemed like he enjoyed telling me this. That's such a sleazy move to go up to her and say, oh, you almost had. Honey, but I decided to go in another direction. I sort of see how that was meant to keep her hanging on and hoping and fighting and wondering is I mean, that's almost like it's almost, I guess, lighting, like probably made her wonder, is it mean what am I doing? But if that was his tactic, that's like a way to keep her always always holding out hope that this time is going to be a. Yeah, something on a much smaller scale. But similar happened to me once where I I had gotten a pretty decent for me role in a pretty big movie and the night I got there to shoot it. They had me like waiting and watching somebody rehearse it over and over again. And it was really cold night and it was laid an hours pass. And I'm kind of wondering what's happening. And eventually the assistant director came up to me and he said, you know, I've been thinking about it and I really think we should give this to the male stunt guy. And then he said something like. Isn't it? Isn't it difficult to work in an industry? That's all about your looks and then they made me watch them fill Mets. It was awful. What an. I know like that's what I'm saying. I think that even some, that's that sounds like it was very clearly gender base and it was about making you internalize that you were not good enough in some way. And I guess that's my point is that you know, this is this is gender based harassment. It may not be sexual, but in his so toxic and pervasive, and it can really get in your head and this we should be interested in fostering workplaces where employees es and people who are on projects, feel safe and secure, and that they don't feel like at any minute there's going to be, you know. Mind for them to walk on that. We should be promoting workplaces that feel faith and people feel supported. And when you when you're in a workplace, where it sounds like this movie set was where you're constantly being reminded that there someone else who could do your job and making you watch this happen. That's that does not set up a workplace where you feel safe and it's even harder when you're woman because you're already merging. So you're already feel that you have a target on your back and then having to endure this just it's just not good. I mean it's not sexual harassment, but it's so so toxic, and it can really just mess you up. I mean that if I had gone through what you just described, I would have been mortified I would have been. It would have knocked my confidence for so long and again, who knows what the impact that has on your career long-term. Right. And I, I just remember being in such shock and I was so cold and I had to. Like walk back to the room with all the other actors and crew. And they asked me what happened, why aren't you doing it? And I couldn't. I almost couldn't find the words is went home and cried. It was such a miserable because that was a big deal for me. That role was a big deal. And then the night of for the to say, just give it to this guy, he's never rehearsed. I had to go to like all of these or her cels and anyway, and it's I won't be able to the point, but it's it's such a disrespectful. It's disrespectful of you as a professional is disrespectful of your time and the value that you put into your craft. You had been rehearsing. You were physically there when this decision was made. I mean, it's it's just so disrespectful and it just cultivates. This climate of gender-based disrespect that I think is I think as women, this probably sounds familiar to a lot of women listening, right? This idea that someone would make this. Seemingly flippant choice, and it would just. This upholding of gross disrespect, toxic bowl that we find in workplaces as women and I hate it. It makes it makes my skin crawl. It makes my skin crawl as well. And it sounds like before moon vez took over at CBS the network was a a better place to work, or at least it had launched a number of groundbreaking feminist TV shows including the Mary Tyler Moore show mod and Murphy Brown, but blood worth Thomasson points out that moon vez ushered in the CSI era, which is basically shows about women being victimized by men, though I have to say, I do love me some law and order which was on NBC. So a little bit of a problematic phase there. I agree. I agree with her assessment, but I have to say, like, I, I don't want anyone calling me out on Twitter when when I'm tweeting about how much I love law and order because it is my guilty pleasure. She says that she doesn't know what happened to all. The women lead shows that CBS, but she writes, I just know that the likes of them have rarely been seen on that network. Again, thanks to less moon best. I can only guess they all became fashionable swabs in crime labs on CSI Morello which is again, a pretty good line. That's that's bec-. Yeah, to make matters worse when she left CBS blood Thomasson, said, moon viz, agreed to pay only a fraction of the penalties do for failing to pick up her pilots when her agent asked the executive, what he should tell his client. She said, Moonves replied, tell her to go for self. And I think it sort of needs to be said that part of me wonders. You know, maybe this is just the industry, this Hollywood. This is how it works. It's all it's all games and it's all mind games and it's all business and it's all wheeling and dealing. But this is not. Okay. The way that she is a legend that he treated her is not. Okay. And I think that as long as we use platitudes like that, it's just business just Hollywood. We're making it okay to treat people. Oftentimes women and people of color and people who are marginalized in these field. We're making it okay to treat them Darvish and we're saying it's okay to hat cultivate an industry that you know, it doesn't matter how you treat people. It doesn't matter if you were contractually obligated to pay x. and you're just knock on a pay it because you're a big deal and you can do that and you're at the head of this network and blah, blah, blah, you're cultivating atmospheres where that's okay. And we should be better than that. You know, I think I saw a lot of people on Twitter saying like, oh, well, that's just the. As-as Hollywood, it's just business. I don't think that's a good excuse for what's happening here. And like we mentioned earlier, those those fines or not picking up the pilots were hefty. Those are big a lot of money there. And if you can only imagine if lesbian vez is one of the reasons that her pilots didn't get picked up and then she's having to pay the fine for it. That's ridiculous. And a huge. That's a huge deal for your career. Absolutely. Absolutely. And again, think about where she would be now this hadn't happened like she she flat out says that he derailed her career and that people. One of the lines in her essay that we're going to get to is she says, people always ask what happened to you. And she says, less moon, vests happened to me thinking about where she would be right now. She can have a room full of Emmy's if this one guy hadn't decided to throw a wrench and the entire trajectory of her career, which up until that point had been. Very successful. And she says that she wasn't harassed by moon Bez in a sexual way, but she did hear word of his inappropriate behavior. Quote, I began to hear from female CBS employees about his mercurial misogynist behavior with actresses being ushered in and out of his office is mantra. I was told was, why would I wanna cast him if I don't want to him? And he was an angry bully who enjoyed telling people I will tear off the top of your head and piss on your brain. That's just disturbing. That is a boss you do not want. Yeah. Can you imagine if your boss said that to you or that you heard that that was something that he that he. Said, you're. I, I would think that this is going to turn into. I've seen too many horror movies, but I would think it was going to be a horror movie and I don't need this guy anywhere near me. Yeah, it just sounds like he's someone who had a knack for saying really gross things in two thousand eleven. He said, quote, when I first got to CBS the sexiest woman on the network was Angela lansbury. But fortunately we're doing a little better than that now go rose. Oh, what a jerk. And another quote from Thomson's essay is also particularly horrible. She writes soon, I would hear how he had invited a famous actress to lunch in the dining room. Coming off the cancellation of her icon ick detective show. The star began pitching a new one. He informed her that she was too old to be on his network. She began to cry and stood up to go. He stood up to taking her by the shoulders and telling her I can't let you leave like this. She reacted suddenly touched, then he shoved his tongue down her throat. I know this happened because the star is the person who told me. That just when I read that I was enraged and I did. I did have a moment where I begin trying to deduce who that might have been. But ultimately it doesn't matter because it does that is such a. Just a terrible, terrible, terrible way to treat anyone. But especially someone who is your employees like that. That is just, I mean, can you imagine if that had been you? Can you imagine the roller coaster ride that your emotions would have been on. Yeah, that would have been. It would have been miserable. Again, I have a store that's kind of similar, but not as bad where I had a role and it was a really good role, but then the producer he asked me out and I said, no. And he was like, well, I guess, you know, now it's awkward and we can't work together and I was like, okay, and then like we were going to leave. And he said, you know, I think you do great work, and I would love to to work with you again, maybe not now, and I was like, okay, and then he tried to kiss me. Okay, we're never working together. You're good. All right now, I know, but that again, why should you lose an economic opportunity in our professional opportunity because of his penis? Why? Why? I don't think I should. I don't think. But alas, I don't make the rules. I'm trying to change the rules. I don't make the rules. Oh my God. This is. Oh, yeah. I'm so angry. Yeah, we're not. We're not even to the first advocate. Thomson basically says that lesbian vez blackballed and derailed her career and the careers of other women all because he didn't like those malady feminist on TV quote, over the years, even when an actress managed to get one of my scripts through an agent, the deal would immediately be killed. It was like a personal vendetta and I will never know why was it because I was championing the New South or an admittedly, aggressive feminist agenda or both when the legendary Bette midler informed moon Bez that she wanted to do a series with me. I'm told he denied her request when the singer Huey Lewis, whom less had become a namrd with chose meteorite a pilot forum is contract was cancelled. It would have been so easy not to mention honorable to simply tell me he was never going to put a show of mine on air. That was certainly his right. But instead he kept me hopping and hoping when I finally realized he was never going to put a show of mine on the air. I left. It was never really about the money anyway. I just wanted to work. People ask me for years, where have you been? What happened to you? Lesbian best happened to me, and I guess that's what it all comes down to for me is that you know, where would her career be? If he just said, listen, you're not my Cup of tea. The shows that you put on or not for me, it's not going to. I don't see it with this network. I'm sorry. She's, it sounds like she would have just packed up and left, but if found someplace else to work. But he never did that. He just kept her hoping and clawing and working and probably internalizing this, what am I doing wrong? I thought I was good at this went on for years and years until she wised up and realized it's not me. It's him. This is his thing. And I just think of all the time that she wasted. We didn't include it in the episode today, but she describes this sort of charm campaign that she waged. She talks about how she was voted most popular in high school and that she figured, certainly she could. Figure out a way to charm charm, this guy. And so she would be really nice. And really, she really tried to work with him and nothing that she did was going to convince him to put a show of hers on the air and just keeping her hanging on for so long when she could have been out flourishing at another network out, developing new things out working, I just think is so messed up and it really it just it makes me sad. It makes me sad that we as women, particularly women who are creatives have to put up with this. This is something that we have to put up with in the industry, and I don't think it's fair. It's cruel and. A distant. It's almost it's almost like a. Sadistic head game. Like she says, why didn't he just tell me it wasn't going to work after we this network because that's not a head game that that's not a power trip. A power trip is keeping somebody trying to impress you keeping someone hoping I'm calling and working for a long time. That's a power trip. Just honorably saying it's not gonna work out too. So you know, that's not a power trip and it's about power. Absolutely. And Thomson isn't alone. The reporting on less moon viz ouster at CBS also unveiled a new wrinkle that he waged a campaign against Janet Jackson, following the infamous Super Bowl, wardrobe malfunction, which will get into after quick break forward for much sponsor. Today's episode of stuff, mom never told you is brought to you by Robin Hood. Robin Hood is an investing at that lets you buy and sell stocks ETF's options and cryptos all commission free. So I don't know much about the stock market. That's why I was so happy to use robinhood. It's a non intimidating way for stock market newcomers like me to invest for the first time with true confidence. 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Thank you so of courting to a piece and the Huffington Post by Shara Lee Moonves had a personal vendetta against Janet, Jackson and vowed to destroy her career after her breasts was exposed for nine sixteenths of a second during the Super Bowl halftime show with Justin Timberlake in two thousand four. Do you remember that. I do remember that I didn't watch it, but I remember people talking about it afterwards. Yeah, I remember watching it live because I love to Janet Jackson and always have, and always will because she's a Queen. So of course, I watched that performance. And then after when we went, we went on her my whole family, like went to her concert when she came to play at Hampton roads in Virginia when I was growing up. But in case you've forgotten, people were outraged by this nipple America Online who sponsored the halftime show demanded a refund of the nine point, three million pay to do so several private citizens, even filed their own lawsuits against the broadcaster at the horror of seeing a nipple for that amount of time. Heaven forbid, we be exposed to nipple my God. Can you imagine? I'm scarred for life. I'll cover exactly exactly. You might need therapy for that one, Tennessee woman, even filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of all American citizens who watched the outrageous conduct. Oh, I mean, there's outrageous conduct at the Super Bowl, but I would say it's not that CBS an MTV, a subsidiary of Viacom, the parent company of CBS at the time which produced the halftime show based torrent of criticism at eight, five hundred and fifty thousand FCC fine. Now to be clear, both Jackson and Timberlake say that this was a legit accident. You might remember the phrase, wardrobe malfunction and being used to describe what happened during their routine Timberlake was meant to tear away the leather, exposing a red lace bra underneath a leather boost. But instead he accidentally ripped away everything, exposing her breast. But moon vez didn't buy this and thought it was an intentional ploy to stir controversy. He banned both Timberlake and Jackson from the two thousand four Grammys Timberlake issued a tearful apology to moon Dez and was unbanned and invited to perform. A Li writes that the CBS chief executive was furious that Jackson didn't make a similarly contrite apology to him. The fallout from the incident inflicted significant damage on Jackson's career, which until that point had produced ten number one hits and still reverberates to this day. This really kills me because I think that the popular narrative around this whole situation is that after the Super Bowl, Janet Jackson was so ashamed and disgrace. But what happened that she retreated from the public limelight and that you know, that's she sort of went into hiding or something that is not true. She continued to make albums. She continued to make music. She continued. To be her super talented, amazing self and put out hit after hit after hit or not. 'cause they weren't hits, but there were hits in my heart. They were three. But her career was intentionally. Sidelined by Leslie Moonves. So people, I think that the popular narrative is that she retreated from the limelight and she did it. Her career was. She was just being blackballed by this one asks. And one weird side note moon, Vaz's, wife, Julie Chen who just stepped down from her role on the talk. Following lesbian viz ouster said Janet, never apologized for the incident. She says that both parties would have been fine had they both apologized and that Justin apologized and that she didn't. Here's what she had to say their camps for all. Just come out and holidays for it happened and you'll be on the Grammys, the following week, one person, apologize, one person did and that following wing, Justin Timberlake who policies performance that Grammy's and Janet Jackson ought, but. Did you actually did apologize? She went on TV and apologize. So here's a listen. Unfortunately, the whole thing went wrong in the end. I am really sorry if I offended anyone that was truly not my intention. Yeah, it does sort of sound like that Julie Chen was sticking up for her husband and CBS and sort of rewriting history saying that Jackson ever apologized when you know she absolutely verifiably. Did. It does sound that way. And Elise says that moon vez ordered Viacom properties, VH one and MTV and all Viacom owned radio stations, stop playing Jackson songs and music videos, and the move had a huge impact on sales of her album Demidov Joe, which was released in March two thousand and four just a month after the Super Bowl, which by the way, after putting together the notes for this episode, I listened to that album and it slaps the good album. It tanked because of less moon has. Bridgette bridgette. You've gotta come. Oh, I know. I will bear a few people that I will defend to the death and Janet Jackson is one of them. I love it. Yeah, I side, no. I used to always tell my friends if anything ever happens to me like if I get killed or something like that in lieu of a funeral, please pass. A local ordinance says that all dance clubs in DC at midnight on my birthday have to play Jinnah Jackson's together again, and you can dance as wild as you want and nobody can ever get thrown out. It'll be like. Birgitta Saxon you're gonna do whatever you want are overalls dancing, dancing, you can't kill a guy, but you could stand on a table and dance at that at that tell you feel your body needs to express itself. I love those Bridget. I am onboard. Yeah. If anything ever happens to me events, my death and that way, please. I am on it. I'm on it as be nation reports that Demidov Joe's low sales were in part because she was blacklisted by clear channel communications, which at the time was owned by Viacom MTV and CBS radio as well as subsequent radio stations that made it virtually impossible for Jackson to promote her album, singles and music videos, and that is a huge deal. She basically was not able to vote this album at all. And I actually remember one of the reasons why, but we're able to go the whole, my whole family went to her concert for this album. And one of the reasons why we're able to go because the tickets were really cheap. I remember it was a rare family thing where the entire family. My cousins and stuff all went, and I think we were only able to do that because the tickets were kind of cheap. Now, I have to say many myself very much included belt that Janet's career was being stalled because of the incident while Justin was basically allowed to flourish. Timberlake, I think seem to kind of throw her under the bus in in subsequent interviews. After this happened, he said, I looked at her. They brought a towel up on stage. They covered her up. I was completely embarrassed and just walked off stage as quickly as I could. He also said, I'm frustrated at the whole situation. I'm frustrated that my character is being questioned, and the fact of the matter is, you know, I've had a good year are really good year, especially with my music, so I can't help. But notice that his talking about her, you know, they brought a towel on his face to cover her out. That just seems so dripping in shame that she should be ashamed, you know, cover her up, I, but so embarrassed. It really. Sort of distances his role in the whole thing, and kind of at least in my book seems to put the entire thing on her in a way that I just found find really, you know, shaving. Yeah, there were two people involved in that situation. Timberlake, sir. He did say two years later in two thousand six and my honest opinion now I could have handled it better. I'm part of a community that consider themselves artists, and there was something I could have done in her defense that was more than I realized than I would have. But the other half of me was like, wow, we still haven't found the weapons of mass destruction and everybody cares about this. I probably got ten percent of the blame and that says something about society. I think that America's harsher on women, and I think that America is, you know, unfairly harsh on ethnic people. Sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but it is sort of like Justin Timberlake discovers racism, you know, it's, it's, I shouldn't laugh because you know better late than ever, but it is sort of funny. He also says that he has quote made peace with Janet, which fine, but my obviously very biased book since he didn't use his recent Super Bowl performance to like bring Jinnah Jax and out, give her a heartfelt and public and meaningful apology, and then sit quietly while she performed. You know, five, deep cuts for Matt back catalogue. I'll always be suss of Timberlake, isn't my personal opinion. I know people like him. People are not gonna like at that, but I don't know. This happens publicly whether or not he's privately made peace with her whatever that means until he publicly says. I'm sorry for what happened to you. I will always. Be anti Timberlake a little bit. That what you just described as a Super Bowl, mid time halftime show. I never watched the Super Bowl that I would tune in for. Right. Same. We're just coming up with all kinds of good content ideas. In this episode, we are a Li alleges now that Janice career setbacks were an intentional thing that moon Bez engineered, Allie writes seven years after the two thousand four incident moon vez told several sources. He was furious when he found out Jackson had signed a book deal with Simon and Schuster for her book true you a journey to finding and loving yourself. Simon and Shuster is owned by the CBS corporation quote how the she slipped through Moonves asked while we're counting the story to a source who spoke to me, he told another source that heads we're going to roll as result of the deal. Yes, and you can kind of see how this wasn't just something where she was so ashamed by her boo, being out for a hot second that she. Retreated from public light that this actually wasn't intentional stalling of her career by less moon Moonves according to reporting. He bragged about it, and it was a thing that he that people knew that that was his. That was his vindamme that he held to spend at a four years. I mean, the book that you just mentioned that cannot in twenty eleven. That's years later years later he's still talking about she didn't. Jackson guy knows how to hold a grudge seriously. We have a little bit more for you. But first we're gonna pause for one more quick break for word from our sponsor. And we're back, thank you sponsor. So in conclusion, this whole thing is a great case study for the fact that gender based harassment is not always sexual, Linda bloodwork, Thomasson alleges that leads moon viz just didn't like the quote loud mouth speeches. Women made on designing. Women also tried to stomp out Janet Jackson's career because she wasn't apologetic enough following her wardrobe malfunction. Yeah, exactly. Gender based harassment can look like a lot of things. Sometimes it is sexual harassment, but sometimes it's a man sort of trying to blackball your career because you're the kind of woman. He doesn't like sometimes it's being mistreated systematically in a workplace. It doesn't always have to be groping and kissing for it to be wrong and for it to have a real negative impact on your career. Yeah. And unfortunately, I think it's something that happens all too often. So if this is something that's happened to you listeners. Please write in let us know. And this brings us to listener mail. Sarah roads. I live in former Swaziland too small country in southern Africa here. People are addressed by familial relationships whether you related or not. Rather than marital status, I'll save you the triple of pronouncing this this Wadi words, but it's a fairly simple formula, a man. Your age or younger is brother. A man older than you is father. A much older man is grandfather and the same applies for women with sister, mother and grandmother. You will typically be upgraded a problematic word choice. I know from sister or brother to mother or father upon getting married and or having children, whichever comes first. But both men and women switch over after marriage rather than only the women. Also you can still be mother or father, even if you've never been married or have no children, it's just a culturally respectful title based on your relative age to who ever is addressing you. Oh, this is fascinating. We, this was in response to our recent classic episode of miss MRs all of that confusion and. How it's different in other countries. So Sarah, thank you so much for sending as this. This is. It's really fascinating. Yeah, I liked it. You could be mother or father, even if you don't have kids. I sort of reminded me of how basically every adult that is close to my parents as my aunt or coal, they are not technically. Yeah, I have so many relatives. I know that's not what you are, but that's what I'm calling you. Exactly. Exactly. Victoria wrote. I am getting married at the end of September and have really pondered if I should take my future husband's name. We are not traditional math. Janta did not ask my dad and my hand, nor am I having my father walked down the aisle as I'm deciding to marry. No one is giving me away. My dad just gets to sit back and relax them a big day. I decided to take my husband's name one. I come from a large family, and my name is at no risk of dying out to my last name is very generic. You could probably guess it in two or three tries, and I don't feel a strong connection to it. My husband's family is much smaller, absolutely love his family, especially as paternal grandmother. She has such a strong connection to our history and has passed down such a rich, oral history of their family to me. So the idea of taking their name isn't something that threatens feminists nature at all. Secondly, on the travel alone episode, I enjoy traveling alone, theon say, has encouraged this. He. He thinks that demonstrates strength, and it also gives us unshared experiences that we can talk about even when we've been together for a long time. Wow. That is a an aspect of travelling alone that I hadn't even considered that if you're in a romantic relationship, having intentionally solo experiences can sort of keep your relationship. Interesting, and give you something to talk about and give you something to bond with your partner over even though you didn't share those experiences. That's a really interesting kind of sweet thing. I hadn't even thought about. Yeah, I love that because it's true if you've been in a relationship for a long time. And I mean, I've only the longest relationship I was in for three years, but I was glad that when we did things separately, it was kind of a chance to recharge then have things to talk about because we've covered a lot of the stuff already those three years. And I can only imagine that as a longer relationship would have compounded that. And I also love a lot of you've written about this last name, changing thing, having a generic last name and feeling like. No connection to really which I thought was an interesting aspect to this whole conversation. Hopefully thank you for writing in both of you and folks wanna right in themselves. Where can they do that? They can Email us at mom stuff at how stuff works dot com. And as always prevail on social media on Instagram at stuff on never told you and on Twitter at mom's stuff podcast, and thank you to our producer Andrew Howard, and thanks to you for listening. Hello, I'm angry and I'm Laurin vocal bomb and our show foodstuff all about these signs. History and culture of food drink is relaunching as saver re along with our super producer Dilling Fagin are hitting the road to find the stories behind all the things we like to eat and drink. We will be talking to the culinary creators and eaters of the world to get to the bottom of why we like what we like and how we can find more of those things. On our first trip, we went to Asheville North Carolina, a city that pulled itself out of a seventy year economic depression with beer and food. New episodes will be coming out Wednesday and Friday on apple podcasts.

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Ex-CBS exec calls out network's 'white problem'

The Frame

25:42 min | 1 year ago

Ex-CBS exec calls out network's 'white problem'

"Soon. From the Mon broadcast center at K P, C C. This is the frame, I'm John horn, a former CBS executive criticizes the network for what she calls. It's white problem. Then a new memoir about the early days of Hollywood. When directors like Frank Capra insisted movies were their soul creation, not a collaboration with their screenwriters. My father went into his office and put one hundred pieces of blank paper on his desk and said Frank went you put the capita John that without the screenplay. There's nothing and we meet one Armenian American keeping her cultures musical history alive. All that coming up on the frame. Last year. Ronan Farrow wrote two articles in the New Yorker detailing allegations of sexual misconduct against CBS head les Moonves after their publication CBS began an investigation to outside law firms were tasked with looking into the CBS culture, which some employs described as toxic this week Whitney Davis. The former director of entertainment diversity and inclusion at CBS published a letter in variety sharing her dissatisfaction with the investigation, and why she left the company this February part of her concern involves CBS's hiring of on-camera talent, which is largely white and male. When I spoke with Davis today. She explained the deeper problem when we talk about why is it that CBS continues to have like these shows anchored by white men with like background, and you know, the fifth. And six person on the call sheet being like, the only minority or the only one of the only few that is because if you walk into the casting office, if you go into a development office, if you go to CBS's current programming department, you're not going to see the representation of people from marginalized communities, and if you don't have that envy's departments, then you don't have anyone to advocate in the wake of what happens with les Moonves CBS decides to do not one, but two internal investigations about the workplace culture. I'm gonna ask you to read a portion of your column about what happens in the wake of that announcement after an initial interview with one investigator, I talked to six attorneys from both firms detailing my experience at the company, and that heart wrenching to our interview. I talked about a workplace fraught with systemic racism, discrimination and sexual harassment. My understanding was that there would be follow up and long awaited reforms as their discovery continued yet I heard nothing again from investigators and soon saw that their report had been leaked to the media before the board have reviewed its findings. I immediately called the CBS investigation hotline, which via recorded message told me the inquiry was now closed it was then that I realized what I had long tried to ignore CBS has a white problem. We're talking with Whitney Davis a Forber CBS executive about why she left the company you recount in your column about an earlier incident where you complained to his superior about how you've been treated, I don't know if it's man or woman, but they say you need to get tougher skin. So I was a DJ which was a digital journalist. And and I had led you remember the flip cameras. I had let a colleague borrow my flip camera because some big movie was. Coming out and they wanted to get like reaction in the audience. And when she came back to return my camera. She was basically like oh my God. Like the movie theater? I've never been. I've never experienced anything like that people were in there. And they were like. And like said it set the n word this is a white woman some white women, and I sat there really like dumbfounded for a minute. And I looked at the other two white guys because of course, out of the three of us. I was the only woman and only person of color, and there were two white dudes, and I turned around. I was like did she just say the N word, and they were like I mean. Yeah, weird. So I am mmediately because when you are at one of the few minorities in a place, you have to have your safe place. You have to have your mentors, and I've had some incredible mentors m my life at CVS that I could go to in cry and fuss and cuss and be like, oh my God. I want to leave and I went to somebody that was that person. And I went to her to say like this happen. How should I dress? It should I confront her. She was so outraged that she went to the S V P of. New standards. Right. So this is designing your vice provost senior vice president a woman, and I was very uncomfortable. When I was called down to her office because I was like I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this. Like, I don't want to cause problems. All I really wanted to know. And all I needed advice. Only was like how do I handle the situation? And the first thing she said to me was, you know, Whitney, I really think you need to have thicker skin. I was twenty four twenty five years old and to hear the person who was there to protect me to make sure that. The entire network was operating in an ethical way to say that to me that shifted my entire trajectory in terms of dealing with workplace. Toxicity wanna ask you about why you decided to write this letter, and publish it and variety after having kids something shifted in me. And I look at my sons, and I'm like, I don't want them to have to go to a place and work there off and do everything I'm not asking for opportunities for people who aren't qualified, right? There are people who don't work hard. But I want them to be able to go into a place where they're valued for their skills. And you know, I really felt God telling me as a creative as an aspiring storyteller. I wanna produce. God was telling me that before you can elevate other stories you have to use your voice you. To tell your story, and I had no idea about I would get the response. Like, of course, there's what are you talking? Gosh, I had a a a woman a seventy year old woman who had at thirty five year long career at one or brothers, and she reached out and she said, you know, I was always afraid to speak up. I was always afraid to use my courage, but by you right in this letter. I feel like my voice is heard Winnie Davis is a former CBS executive. She's the author of an open letter in variety called CBS as a white problem Whitney. Thanks so much for coming in. Thank you for having me. Reach for comments CBS said in part while we disagreed with some statements in Whitney story, we take all employees concern seriously and remained committed to improving the workplace experience for everyone coming up a memoir from the daughter of two Hollywood legends. Robert Riskin is one of the great screen writers of the twentieth century his movies many directed by Frank Capra, included, Mr. deeds goes to town. What puzzles me is why people seem to get so much pleasure out of hurting each other. Why don't they try liking each other once in a while Fay Wray was an actress who starred most famously in the original King Kong? Now risking and raise daughter, Victoria, Riskin has written a memoir she says that for all of their Hollywood endeavors her parents had one memorable collaboration and that was their marriage. Victoria, Riskin is a screenwriter herself. Having started her career as a therapist and both jobs came in handy when writing her book, fair Ray, and Robert Riskin, a Hollywood memoir risk and Capra films are known for their humanism insincerity, and those are themes, Victoria, Riskin says that still resonate some eighty years after the movies were made we just did a series of screenings in New York City at film forum and took a group of friends to see meet John Doe, and Gary Cooper, who's playing the role of the common man, not really he's been hired. But in the middle of the speech, he gives he he talks about it's time to tear down the walls between us someday. We're going to need that. That guy who lives next door. We're going to need him and he's going to need us. And let's start to know one another fair down the fence, and you tear down a lot of hates and prejudices tear down all offenses in the country, and you really have it. So meets my motion needs right now. And it did for my friends who I took to see the movie because I think we're being pawns and being divided by the political atmosphere, but Frank Capra like a lot of directors now. And it was starting to be an issue then claimed that there was only one real author of a film, and that was its director. It's the so called autour theory. And I think there's an argument that that is not only poppycock. But certainly when you look at the collaboration that your father and Capra had together Robert Riskin is as much part of that is a question as the guy who has directed movies. So what was interesting in my research for this book? I went back and read the reviews of the day, and the reviewers would say another Robert risk. Skin and Frank Capra picture. They were always teamed and the writing was appreciated just as much as the directing. And then over time that change to change not only because capper wanted to assert himself as a great filmmaker. But also because eventually in time there became an emphasis on the one man one film theory, the auteur theory, there's a story about my father working with Frank Capra. And after a few of these articles where the journalists were interviewing him, and he was talking about Capra esque films, and the Capri touch and Capra movies. My father went into his office and put one hundred pieces of blank paper on his desk and said quietly not assertively Frank you put the capper touch on that without the screenplay. There's nothing there's nothing when asked about your mom Fay Wray, a lot of people of a certain age would know her from King Kong, she came to. Town. She got to work pretty quickly and had a great career. What was it about her as an actor that made her as successful as she was? I think she had a self confidence. I don't know when she developed that she came from a very hard scrabble life. And there were times when there wasn't enough to eat in this little family of six kids. But there was something about her. And I think she was just gifted with an inside that she felt she had a destiny first time. She saw a movie which was in this little mining town where she grew up and she saw Lillian Gish in Mary Pickford, she she just knew that's where she wanted to be. And she was a survivor I've grown to appreciate her deeply I used to just think of her as mom, but I think of her now as a almost as a character in a play or in a in a book, and I so admire her her self confidence and tenacity your father, Robert Riskin wrote a lot of movies road, some place else around a lot of letters some of them were twenty six pages long, and you're lucky enough to have access to I suspect. A lot of these. I'm gonna read a letter that he wrote your mom in nineteen forty two. She is in a production of a play called, George Washington slept here. It's not going well or appears not going. Well, and here's what your father rights to your mother. My sweetheart what I wouldn't give to be there. At least for the opening. I would know the torture. You are going through the acute first night, nervousness and panic, and I would suffer with you. My heart would beat rapidly. My palms would be moist. And I would have that awful pain in the gut. But despite it the transcendental excitement would compensate for it, all and the nearness to you would be so soothing and warm, how wonderful to be able to share such things with you. Yeah. It's just amazing. His letters were amazing. It was a warmth and a joyfulness in his correspondence and humanity that he expressed at I can't imagine what it was like from my mother right here. I mean, I think she loved it. We're talking with Victoria Riskin about her book, fair Ray, and Robert Riskin a Hollywood memoir. What is it like to read those letters about your own parents? It's one thing to read them about a couple. You don't know. It's another thing to read them about your own parents, and maybe see things that you didn't know or come to understand their relationship and a new and different way. Well, it was quite overwhelming to be honest when I would start to read them they were so beautiful. I would just be overwhelmed. I'd be a puddle of tears first of all because I wanted them to be together. Again. Secondly, I wanted my father to be back, and I just found the letter so touching. Finally, I had a young girl type them up. If I could look at them on black and white paper with typing somehow didn't see his handwriting and and that gave me a little distance. She had given me these letters. She wanted me to have them. She wanted me to know him and know their relationship, and so finally when I was midway through this book. I could do it. He wasn't the only one who wrote your mom wrote as well. If you days after Christmas in nineteen fifty your father has a stroke, and he never really recovered from it, and your mom becomes his caregiver. And there are a lot of issues in terms of health insurance and coverage and what it takes to raise a family. Look after an ailing husband, and I'm gonna ask you to read something that she writes in her journal about this process. Okay. So he's had a stroke and he's in the hospital and she sitting next to him and making these notes you begin to talk. Lots of words. Nothing. I can understand then you begin to cry. I hold you and tell you it's all right. You say it's all right. I hold you and keep talking to you. But my face against yours. You kiss me. You put your arms around me. Pat me keep crying. I keep reassuring. You. What's it like to read? And I mean, so at the time she thought he would be well, and he would be fascinated about his process. But of course, he never did get well, and she was never able to share this with him. This was hard to if the letters were hard. This was even harder because as she describes him having had a stroke like this explosion in the brain, almost you know, he's fighting his way through it. He's trying to find words he's trying to do all these things that he can't really do. And it's painful because I think oh my goodness. It must have been so hard for him to feel like he can't find his way back, and it was not for lack of trying to pick a movie that both of them worked on that may not be high on the list of what people recognize what would you recommend a lesser known performance by your mom at a lesser known screenplay that your dad wrote well for my father, there's a little movie. He called platinum blonde that he made his first picture with Frank Capra. We wanted to WALE. Gal prayed wing got no raw life up here. We won't maybe we could interest you in some doing but lies or perhaps some slightly fried pandas are better still some stuff shirts and guaranteed. Everyone of them will give you a good stiff pain in much of my father in the character. A kind of easy. Almost breezy wit, a charm, an elliptical way of romancing a sense of seeking something deeper in himself from my mother, it's a farce it's called the fares of chill Leany. My mother was always very beautiful in the films. She did even in King Kong while she has kind of impressionists or spiritedness often the emphasis was on her beauty in this one. She plays a complete idiot a Bimbo and she's wonderfully dumb, and I just adore that about her that she was looking to do other kinds of parts. She was tired of always being the OJ, Dr the beautiful one. She also did a film of Robert Riskin 's called an car. Vers profession, and she plays a very successful attorney whose husband begins to feel neglected. I wonder what it'll be like or what will remind you. And I struggling Findlay. What do you want to work for? I don't know. Keep busy. I guess I've got a profession. Why not use it? You will mind. What you of course. But you're have to you know. You know, that was very Avangard, right? My father was a great feminist underneath at all. Well, he wouldn't have used that word. He would have just said women are fabulous terrific. Very are risking is the author of fair Ray, and Robert Riskin a Hollywood memoir, Victoria, greatest you. Thanks for coming. Thanks so much for having me done. Coming up. One Armenian American pianist and vocalist heats her poachers musical legacy alive by integrated it into her debut album. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John horn this week marks the one hundred and fourth anniversary of the Armenian genocide by some accounts, the autumn and government killed as many as one point five million people in the early twentieth century. One Armenian American pianist and vocalist keeps her cultures musical legacy alive by integrated it into her debut album, which is out today on the label the frame contributor Beto Arcos has her story on a knee beyond sits in front of the Mason and Hamlin piano. She inherited from her aunt Lassina. Bobby on who was also her music teacher and mentor underneath says her on taught her everything she knows about music all the fundamentals that have in musicianship and. He's a calorie and performance vocal technique. I studied with other teachers to after her, but she gave me my foundation. Put Agua beyond lives in an area called Sherwood forest in the San Fernando Valley when we spoke on a recent after noon, she recalled her onset vice at a time when she was at a crossroads considering a career as a nikodem ick. She told me actually few weeks before she died. She said, you know, you can learn and you can learn and you can learn. But then what Coen sing? She said go into the world and seeing forget about being an academic. Agua beyond took her onside. Vice and much of what you learn from her is present in the new album, titled bloom, she composed most of the pieces on her on spinal. I have played on this since I was a kid coming to her house for voice and music lessons. We would have children's music classes at her house, and this panel was there all the time. And then when she passed away it inherited it. Every Sunday morning for the past three years. Bubby on has sung at a ritual called the office of the Armenian church takes place weekly at Saint Peter, Minneapolis. Followed church in van Nuys by beyond says, she wants to learn as much as possible about this ritual before the last torch bearers pass on the monastic tradition. Armenian church died, sadly, due to basically the genocide in nineteen fifteen all of the monasteries were destroyed. And so there isn't really monastic life left in Armenian church. Like there is in the Coptic or Greek. Churches. So there's just a few people singing these songs hymns on Easter Sunday. She and a group of singers performed a series of Armenian hymns called shagong written by various composers throughout the early. Medieval, George history. The master. He's about eight years old, and they're from his stone bull. So it's from the content politician of Armenian chant, and I discovered him after having gone to Paris to study with a master singer. Who was also from his stumble. So within that lineage, I was searching for other singers. And I I heard that this church in the Val in van Nuys has people from that who sink from that tradition at her home studio Agua on offers to play a song from the new album. The song is called mother in road when she was still living on house. She passed away the inspiration behind the song came during a Sunday. Liturgy chanting in the church. I had an experience on the day of. Well, they call it. It's the assumption of the Virgin, Mary, and we were chanting, and all of a sudden, I had this really I can't explain experience where I felt changed during the chanting. This is related to that experience. The album. Also has a recurrent melody linked to the title bloom. This is called pedal one. On has a special gift for melody. She says the more rhythmic elements in the album come from her collaboration with percussionist nickel. Staka? I wanted to use the piano, also, so as purely percussive v-. Cussing sounding instrument. So I incorporated different ways of piano, preparations to create different sounds that. I wanted. Album is a diverse collection of melodic songs rhythmic music and a couple of traditional Armenian songs, including one call on Geneen, Chico. This was one of the first sacred hymns her on taught her she liked it so much. She wrote a new arrangement and called it anemic. Revisited. Beyond says, traditional Armenian music was more present in her work five years ago. At this point. I feel more inclined to writing my own music and and then singing Armenian traditional music on its own in its original forms. In addition to her aunt Uggla beyond also honors her mother elites of Bobby on a professional storyteller. One of the stories. She heard from her is an Armenian legend called the water bride. Once there was a young bride. Kneading dough. To bake thin bread. I just really liked the sort legend because of the different ideas in it like grace and forgiveness and transformation. Those are things that I've experienced a lot in my life and really grateful that I can continue to live my life and just try to become better. And better person before I left her home on a knee up Bubby and set. Her aunt Lucy would be really proud of her. She won't be happy that she finished this album, and that it was out in the world. For the frame. I'm bet a lot. Purpose. Piece was mixed by Eric Pierre. Shabas? And that's a show for this week. The frame is produced by Oscar Garza, Darby Maloney. Monica bushman Jonathan Chifflet. Julia Paskhin and Andrea Gutierrez, our engineer Valentino Rivera. Our intern is Paul Ratliff, and I'm John horn. We hope you have a great weekend. We'll see you back here on Monday.

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Major changes at all the broadcast networks

KCRW's Hollywood Breakdown

03:43 min | 2 years ago

Major changes at all the broadcast networks

"I'm Kim masters and this is the Hollywood breakdown. Joining me is Matt Bellamy of the Hollywood reporter. So Matt, the fall TV season has just kicked off so far. The early numbers are showing drops in ratings, continuing trend as people shift their viewing habits. But what we're also seeing across the major networks is turmoil in turnover. Les Moonves has gone from CBS amid sexual misconduct allegations, FOX being acquired by Disney, which means that the FOX channel will not go as part of that deal. But the executives who have run that channel and the FOX production studio will be going over to Disney taking on new assignments. Meanwhile, at Disney bencher would is out. He had been overseeing a lot of their television stuff including ABC and NBC, Bob Greene Blatt, who has had a good run has just said, I'm Lee, he's kind of left abruptly. I mean, he's been somebody who was rumored to be leaving for a long time and then he really left. Yeah. And he, you could argue it's. Perfect time for him to leave because these shows are just preparing in the fall and NBC has a couple of decent performers this fall, but they are not going to be able to match the numbers of last season because they had the Olympics and they had the Super Bowl. So Bob green by probably seeing that said, you know what? Now's a great time for me to go. And it really just shows the turmoil that is ongoing in the broadcast television space. I mean, let's be honest who's excited about any of these shows that are coming on when you compare them to the really am bishops stuff that's going to be airing on cable and on streaming. These shows just don't cut it anymore and the audience that they're chasing is this older and less affluent and less desirable demographic of broadcast television. Not where the industry is going. I mean, say yes and no, it's a less desirable demographic because advertisers, I stupidly believed that older viewers have set purchasing habits, and I think that's that's an outdated thing. I, I mean, I'm done stories on this in the past and the networks blame the advertisers and the advertisers blame the networks. And I also think you are overlooking you know that still billions of dollars change hands because TV does remain broadcast TV the quickest, easiest way to reach masses of people and advertisers still do pay lots and lots of money for that. But what you're looking at certainly as a trend among people who are, you know, let's call them elites and opinion makers. Yes, they are shifting firmly away. I admit, you know, I think I'm down to one or two shows on on broadcast TV that I watch and the future is kind of visible in that respect. Yeah, I just don't think it's in the league question anymore. I think it's a mainstream consumer question, and you see that even in the numbers for primetime broadcast television itself. The numbers really drop off as you go on in the night. And people say that by ten PM everyone is watching DVR d- and streaming and other things. Rather than broadcast television, and that is fine that the mainstream viewer has made the shift. And I think you're only going to see the numbers keep going down each year until alternately the value proposition isn't there anymore, and you're seeing it on the FOX network. FOX's essentially decided it's going to be a sports and live entertainment broadcast network. They're not even really bothering with these scripted expensive shows anymore. They're going to do a few, but it's going towards the cheaper fare that will be cost adjusted essentially for the lower audience on broadcast TV. That's Matt Balanian material director of the Hollywood reporter. He joins me this Monday at two o'clock on the business. I'm Kim masters and this is the Hollywood breakdown.

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Midday Brief for Thursday, January 17th

WSJ Minute Briefing

01:22 min | 2 years ago

Midday Brief for Thursday, January 17th

"Uh-huh. I'm Jay r Wayland and the newsroom at the Wall Street Journal in New York house speaker Nancy Pelosi says there are no talks plan Thursday between the White House and Democrats to end the twenty-seven day old government shutdown. Pelosi also says the house will vote on more bills to end the shutdown next week, but they aren't likely to be taken up in the Republican controlled Senate. Pelosi also reaffirmed her willingness to postpone President Trump's January twenty ninth state of the union address to congress due to the shutdown. The Wall Street Journal has learned the federal prosecutors are pursuing criminal investigation of China's who I- technologies company for allegedly stealing trade secrets from US businesses, including t mobile to test smartphones. This comes amid a broader push by the Trump administration to aggressively pursue claims of intellectual property theft and technology transfer by Chinese companies and former CBS chairman and CEO Leslie Moonves who resigned last year amid accusations of sexual harassment is challenging the company's decision to deny. Him severance package of one hundred twenty million dollars. CBS's board terminated moon Vasant denied him the severance after an investigation concluded that moon vetted, violated company policies breached, his employment contract and intentionally failed to fully cooperate with the investigation for more on these and other stories of the day, go to wsJcom or the WSJ app.

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368 - Advice for a New Staff Writer

Scriptnotes Podcast

1:01:42 hr | 2 years ago

368 - Advice for a New Staff Writer

"They would welcome. My name is John August, and this is so three hundred sixty eight of scripts. A podcast about screenwriting and things that are interesting to screenwriters Craig's outta town for the week, but he emailed and he's officially jealous that he's missing out on this episode because today we'll be talking about what it's like to be a staff writer on television program and offer suggestions for giving that job and doing that job. I'm so excited to introduce to writers who have firsthand experience on the topic. AL's Donald is a humanities prize winner. A Fulbright scholar, daytime, EMMY and BAFTA award nominated TV writer and director whose credits include American dad nurse, Jackie, and the remake of roots for which she received a w eight and w c see image award nomination. Allison wrote directed executive produced an American Girl story summer camp friends for life for Amazon. She's currently a writer and cope E ON an upcoming Showtime, legal thriller. Welcome Alison. Thank you very much. I'm delighted to be here a great warm, and you have a dog at your ankles. What other programs gave you a dog? Again, like my bag is enough to as big enough to fit Lambert in. So yes, hi listeners, I'm going to be stealing John to be obscured ING with John's dog at the end of this and are saying gas. Well, if you go rhino, it'll say, Canadian writer, which is true. Ryan was a guest on episode, one hundred five, and we talked about writing for Hollywood without living here. But for the last few months, he has been living here working as a consulting producer on in the dark. A CW show about an irreverent blind woman who investigates her friend's murder after the police dismiss her story. He's also adapted the novel peace of mind into a feature for paramount with daisy Ridley attached to star and j.j Abrams producing Ryan night and welcome back. It's nice to be back and I'm hoping to take your dog with me to all right. It's a fight. Yeah, but the blind guy advantage of a Lambert to work Lambley terrible. I've known for one time. I've never asked you the question that you've never. I've never had support animal. You've never had never had a service dog and why not? Well, a couple reasons. One is I have a brench bulldog, and I think she would be very jealous people actually do. Well, people sometimes stop us when I have the dog and they're like that you're seeing eye dog as it wraps itself around. So. But I don't have one because I just sit so much and I just feel like having a large dog that needs to be worked all the time is is just cruel to make it sit at my feet while I rewrite things that it's not interested in. Interesting. Like you don't think the dog pitch checks for you if it did, I might get one. Before we get in topic, we have a little bit of news. So in front of Allison is a copy of the new scripts t shirt. Oh, and so Ryan can't see it's described as t shirt for our listeners. Right? It's very cool. It's a black t. with stacked colored. I'm assuming like revision script pages, although I'm going to point out, everyone gives notes in this town. Provision aren't accurate. I've in Berkeley. Tell me how you think they're not accurate because I thought we actually got them just right. So tummy out, doesn't it go from white to blue to pink? Yeah. Is it white pink blue and that one? This looks magenta to me. All really, Terry issues is not that they're in the wrong order. Is that a slightly the wrong shade? I just say, I don't know what magenta you're wearing a black and almost magenta checkered shirt. There's read this spectrum of red magenta is closer to the pink end of the spectrum. So John need to do a rewrite on between. But this description, it's called revisions. And so that's a hind the shirt and very clever. Your audience. Just listen to a person describe color to me for the first time I now have magenta in my head. I haven't. That's that's kind of cool thousand. Just gave me magenta. How. That happened right here. So if you're interested in this shirt, we also have two other t-shirts back from the vault. You can find cotton bureau also building in the show notes. So usually when t shirts, go up there only for a short period of time. I think these are going to be a recurring, but you should order them now so you can have in time for the Austin film festival. I would like to see a lot of color vision shirts out there in the audience. Well, at the Austin film festival, the other shirts got up. There are a new Highland to shirt and caretaking shirt, which was something we did when we did the caretaker game years and years ago, and it's cool and eight bitty pixel. So check those out AL's McDonnell. Thank you for describing the teacher and we'll make sure the colors are just right for you. I'm sure it's Craig's. Apparently if they don't sell all the t shirts, Craig, whereas all the other ones leftover all at once, doesn't he? Yeah. Quite a sight, some follow up to on previous criminal. It's things which is and help me out on. So we've been talking about movies are unavailable moves. You can't find anywhere, and one of the issues being that things have moved more towards digital, you can buy a movie on itunes, but a tweet that was sent my way this last week was from Andrews GD Silva. He writes, hey, apple, three movies. I bought disappeared from agents, library apple, yes, those are not available anymore. Thank you for buying them here to movie rentals on us be wait what? And so the point is that like you can buy movie nations', but then it's just not there anymore because licensing stuff changed. And that's. I can a panic attack really does the Justice sends me down in existential what Israel and one, it's not what we value. I still have tons of DVD's like I still buy them. So Craig pointed out on Twitter this morning that like technically even a DVD is kind of a license to watch a movie, like it's all kind of nuts. But if you physically have the DVD in your house, you're going to be able to watch that movie and to have it just be removed from your digital account is just really frustrating was weird like they've actually defined like redefined the word by to Maya movie. It doesn't mean what it used to mean. It means nothing at all. I guess. I mean they had he not complain what they have refunded him his money. That's the thing. If he hadn't noticed that the movies were gone, would they've been done anything apple directing this to you? It also, this is the kind of thing which the w eight, no union is gonna be able to address this feels like that's government somewhere. Stepping they're saying, like, if you're going to provide this kind of license or something, you have to say that it's really gonna stick around, but we should also note that he bought a movie and then when it disappeared, they gave him to rentals as if that is an equivalent. Like I didn't know to rentals was the same as ownership. I, I don't think anyone, but apple knew that and Tyler contestable all last week. We had a lean brush mechanics and the chair that alzon right this moment. And she was talking through her experience with sexual harassment about record that up sewed literally right before les Moonves was ousted completely from CBS. So all sorts of things have happened to me in time with us and other stories came out. But one of those interesting thought was yesterday's recording this Linda blood Thomasson who did designing women. A lot of other TV shows wrote a piece for the hall reporter talking about how she never faced sort of sexual harassment from him. But she had an overall deal CBS got no-shows on the air for years because he just seven years. Yeah, you just basically stonewalled or end was so nice to face and undermining her constantly behind her back. How did you feel as you read that? Alison, I'm going to be honest, it's difficult to put into words just how enrage that made me. I can't be as eloquent as Linda was in her piece. If you gave me the time to sit down and write out my feelings of they would be less visceral, but the degree of deception in a way that it's common in the culture of Hollywood to smile to wants to someone's face while you're twisting the knife in their back. But this was lengthy, engineered deception and derailment of her and not to be too alliterative, but it's it's really shocking how vicious it was and how sustained it was. And he obviously engendered this culture at CBS that enabled this and encouraged this it despite it being again. His in the company's best interests. This woman had a proven track record and could have netted the company hundreds of millions of dollars in license fees and and awards. And yet it was more important to him to abuse her in this manner. So it's again, it's shocking that everyone below him went along with us Ryan. That was a thing I didn't those from the articles that for him to have done this. Everybody else had to know that like this woman that we've had this thrown of this crater. We've had this eighty minutes a giant deal with that. We deliberate are never gonna, put her shows on the air, like, you know, what was your reaction as you're reading through this to do feel that sense of a raised Frisian too. I started to wonder like is anyone let's move as me right now. I just, you know, it was all the talk in the writers that morning and there was such a palpable rage about it, and it was interesting because as you pointed out, it wasn't specifically about sexual harassment, but about just sort of the cult of power and personality and how it would even exceeds 'economics like you just pointed out that that's what's kind of shocking underneath. It is a town that seems to love to cudgel you with economics as an argument for making something or not making something, but then to have the whim of personality and power above that have even more cloud. It was truly astonishing and it was like an amazing piece like it. The knife in that thing is so sharp. And if you haven't read it, I just encourage everybody to go read it because it is quite the the rallying cry, I think. So you were in a room to be able to talk about it and it's unusual experience for you. 'cause you're mostly feature writers this right now, you're writing on this. CD show with this is the first time you've been. Writing on show. Yeah. And so I want to get into this. I want to sort of talk through the process of getting on a show answer what it's like to be writing on a show versus writing features independently. Alison, you've written independently to want to compare and contrast those to really dig into it because I've had no three ranked riding on his staff of show. So really, really just gonna ask you questions and not doing very much about what it was like. I went out to Twitter and I had a bunch of people tweeting their questions for you guys about sort of what is like to be TV staff writer. Cool. So Allison's been awhile since you've been a staff writer, but can you time travel back and toughest through getting first job writing on television and how you got the job is sort of what it's like that I was first few days at first week getting settled boy. It's a triggering. But I do I wanna preface what my responses by saying that if you asked if you pulled a hundred different writers with this question, you might get anywhere from twenty five to ninety nine different responses. So this was my experience. I am somewhat unique in that. I did not set out to have a current television. I went to film school wanting to write and direct independent films, and then the bottom fell out of indie features that just was not a career to be had in the so it was both necessity and somewhat fortuitous that I fell into my first TV job. So that's the preface I was newly out of film school and had worked as an intern, and Jim Jarmusch his office in New York, wonderful experience. And I met a UPN unit production manager for anyone who doesn't know. Who is essentially in charge of finances for production. That's that's true TV on film, and she left her job with Jim, the the production ended, and she went to work on a feature and offered me job as a PA, which is a step up from an intern because you actually get paid in quotes. Although I came to find out that she was paying the male PA more than she was paying me. Lots of have me back on John. In your eight. I was working that job initially as a PA and was bumped up to production secretary at some point. And then our production offices moved to Calvin story all this New York and next door to us. The Whoopie Goldberg sitcom was starting to set up their production. So this was before the writers were actually there. Most of the writers think perhaps all of them except for the Turner's where Los Angeles base. So the room was up and running yet, but they're UPN was sitting up the offices and starting to hire local crew. So I just walked down the hall one day, poked my head in his office and said, hey, if you need a writer, you know in that in that way, that speaks of one's naievety. But also you have to be emphasis and why not. And I had just being out of film school Ed written directed to shorts that had. Gotten some attention on the festival circuit and also had some writing samples. So it was armed and prepared. And that's the best piece of advice that one can give anyone because nothing else is in your control. And he explained to me the way writers are staff and how writers have long since been hired of which UPN is sitting setting up an office, but he was he was very, very kind and said, leave me your card, and I'll let you know if any positions open up specifically Greider system. So I went back to my office and asked the the other PA who is in the office the time, what's a writer's assistant. Because if you obviously, if you aren't in this world, you aren't introduced to the various levels of support stuff that these shows have. You have no idea. I mean, even if intuitively know, okay, this is someone who assists threatres and what way. And it affords one very close proximity to the process, and there's no greater. Apprenticeship than that job. So anyway, long story short, I was ultimately hired as the writers researcher for that show step, not quite assistant, but you're in the mix, do you? It's interesting about it. I don't know that those jobs exist on most shows Whoopie wanted someone who could keep an eye on topical subjects for the show to explore. And that's what landed in my lap. So he's only too happy to do that. So I didn't have the administrative tasks of a ride assistant. I e you're, you're being the court reporter and you're typing down contemporary what everyone is saying and then having to call all those notes at the end of the session, I was just working on Thomas Lii and again, you try to serve what's what's happening in the in the in the swarm around you. And I saw, okay, I'm not in the room with writers the way the writers assistance. So I don't have the proximity, but they can read my right. Eating. So I was going through the newspapers on a daily basis and calling things that I thought might be topical, appropriate for the show, but then also writing a paragraph no longer than a paragraph, a satirical take on what you know, that particular story was and don't Sukur drove, you know, and it's one that I was able to craft on my own. Nobody said, this is what we're expecting. It's just give us some new stories. So the idea popped into my head to attack the task this way which you know if you could look through John sties I feels like menial task. You're just cutting and pasting newspaper stories, but make it an opportunity, do it with purpose. So what came to pass the more writers approach me and say, oh, they thought today's edition was really funny. I got other people they were passing this around. So other people in the production said, would request me to put them on the distribution list and. Eventually caught the attention of Whoopie producing partner who wants to show got its back-nine recommended me for a writer gigs, so I actually moved up the ladder faster than any of the other writers assistant still where you wanted to freelance gigs or or what was it. The way that happened is there are two options and they went with option a. was to make me a staff writer as opposed to just paying me for freelance script. So I was on staff. I did wind up getting a script, but it's it was more satisfying because then I was in the room and I became a colleague. It was. The funny coded to that story. Is this something you would know if you are entrenched in the culture? Is that in writers rooms typically the, the upper level writers tip their assistance. So the the Showrunner tips, his or her assistant, and then all of the writers combine in. It's all based on seniority. So depending on how big away you are what you mean. So the way one would a server in restaurants. So yeah, just to service tip vio-. 'cause it's Hollywood and everyone loves to give gifts in it and these jobs don't pay well. So let me let me state that. So as part of the support staff, I was tipped. Suddenly now in the room working with them, and it's like, I hope y'all don't want your money back. I had bills to pay. So you're in your early twenties? Yeah. And I mean, we'll circle back around in and Ryan can give his experience that being fresh out of film school. I was not prepared to read the room the way I was even a year later. It's like, oh, this isn't a free for all. This is actually a highly choreographed exercise in controlling chaos to distill it into something that you can put on the air a week from now. So again, coming from a classroom environment where there is little where there's there is a free exchange of ideas. Was a both good preparation because when you're on a film set, you learn the art and skill of collaborating, but also pour into think that poor preparation to that. That everyone on staff is encouraged to speak with volume. I want to get back to that. That's a crucial thing. I've always heard about to be right rooms. So your experience while unique was also kind of typical in that you you got hired on as very low level entry level job. You proved your merit approved, like you're someone worth watching. You've got him tapped on the shoulder to come into the room and become a staff writer. Now, Ryan, your experience, you're not a young woman in your your twenty eighty five five years old and your feature writer. But I would say actually a considerable number of feature writers are also writing TV now. So I think your experience is probably not gonna be as typical as a person is mostly written features who after writing a bunch of features is now being brought into a room and having to adjust to that whole experience. So cute office through your early days, sort of entering into a writers remiss or what your expectations were and what you were act. Really doing once you were there. I mean, I came in as a bit of a spy. I got the gig. I was actually in Portland doing speaking gig, and my agent called means that there was the show and the main characters of blind woman. And Michael Showalter had shot the pilot and Crin Kingsbury written. It was great, and it was funny, and it was very much my tone is it kind of too on the nose for me to to want to do show that the blind character and we hadn't talked about me staffing on a show before. And the reason I did it in part was because I had, you know a number of pilots development elsewhere, and I thought I should really get inside a room and just, you know, being one for a while and see how they really work and what works and what doesn't. So I kind of came in both to roll up my sleeves, but also very selfishly to spy. And when I walked in the show runners John Collier and he'd been on bounds and monk and Simpsons. And the first thing he said to me in the kitchen is, you know, a lot of feature writers get really disoriented. Did when they get into a room and he said, it'll rewire your brain and a after fifteen weeks. It's completely true. Like it's just a completely true statement and the like, like Allison just said, I did not know that it was such militarized think-tank. You know that there is real structure and its deep structure and from the outside, you would think it's an expression of status or something very superficial like that, but it is a way of funneling the chaos of ideas towards moving forward. So it's not arbitrary. It's not done out of a sense of pride like I have more experienced than you such a centra. The really is a rationale underneath it. 'cause you have too many people with too many great ideas, and you have to somehow create a a substratum to organize them. So I walked in and you know, I knew enough to just listen, which is kind of the first job is doing a lot of listening. And as they. Say, read the room and being a blind guy. I had the disadvantage of not being able to read the room, so I was just sort of listening to like just geographically in the room where the talking was coming from. And if you do that, you can kind of get a sense of the way the rooms organized, like, you know more comes from over here less over here. Great. And it was. It was really interesting for the first few weeks for me because I've never been in such a boiler room sort of environment of pitching. I mean, I've pitched a ton of stuff over the years, be features or radio or books, whatever. So pitching isn't new to me, but pitching in the speed and in a constructive way in the cows of other people also pitching. So you're building on top of them and also having to think like as fast as you need to that was really disorienting. But my favorite thing I discovered was I did not anticipate the level of memoir that goes into. Making a TV show like you get people in a room who ultimately, at some point at some level are drawing on their personal lives and so you, you're kinda collaborative memoir that is being repurpose fiction. And so it's pieces of people's lives being stitch together into these Frankenstein's. And you know, I started as a writer doing memoir, like my first book was a memoir. So after a couple of weeks, I found this really comfortable place where I'm like, oh, I remember what it was like doing this. You just tell people all you've ever done. That you think might be remotely? Interesting. And then you know somebody else puts a different head on it and somebody else puts wings on it and suddenly it flies and it doesn't is not yours anymore. So I found that whole experience really like really interesting and it requires a level of trust in the room to that you feel comfortable admitting things about yourselves because you don't wanna make characters that are saints as well. Right? That's incredibly eloquent. That sounds like a place I wanna be. I wouldn't be engaged in that experiment. You should try skull TV. Allison, you the benefit you've been on multiple shows. You've seen the whole range of what how show can work and how can function probably function really well and some that do not function well at all. But for a person who is a new staff writer, what some general advice you can offer in terms of listening and eventually speaking, and how do you find the place in the time to speak up and to actually contribute something versus it in the room that Ryan was describing. I would say that the best fallback position, if you're brand new to the room is to listen to listen with the intensity that you would speak in other instances, and you may not know initially because every room is different. The way the personality of of every show runner can't be boiled down to anyone predominant trait except meglomania, but it will service you well in every room in which you ever enter. Because even as I've made my way up even as clawed my way up to the top. I've not had the security that a lot of different TV writers have where you are on the office for seven seasons or any one of those shows that, like Frazier, I worked with a writer who had been on both. Cheers and Frazier off, right? So I can't even imagine what kind of not just financial stability that gives you, but also a level of comfort in knowing that your best ideas won't to your worst ideas, rather won't to find you or limit you on a moment to moment our to our or season to season basis and that you have the freedom to make mistakes with impunity that you've just don't have on a show that we have to start over again every season, but the ability to read the room and to be strategic about when you speak in what you say is crucial. And perhaps that serves you in every facet of of show. Business and life, but the constant in and I've written on both comedies and dramas. And I would say that Ryan said this very, very succinctly. I won't be as succinct because there's their years of trauma. It's my soft belly that made me six. You know how much I envy on. You're on. None of this is triggering for you, but in in a comedy room, for example, the pitching is fast and furious and people are practically falling all over themselves to speak. But that doesn't necessarily suggest aggression. It's the, especially on a sitcom. You just have the feed the beast of jokes. Like there has to be a joke every every two, two lines of, you know, three or four lines, and and so that kind of velocity, certainly creates an environment that may feel like mosh pit and on dramas. There's obviously a different depending on the drama. Like I'm gonna legal thriller now you may be pitching story arcs and it's not that you don't have to be able to pivot quickly, but they're pauses are encouraged she under. So if there's a silence at last fifteen seconds, that's not. The end of the world drama reverse a comedy room that could be could field death. I it you. It's almost like unleash unleashing virus. I'm gonna go to a question from Twitter, Michael tall asked which is better to able to come up with unique dialogue slash stories on your own or to be able to go with the flow and have random bursts of input for other people's ideas. So as a staff writer, which you think serve you better to be able to contribute in the room and to add onto things or be a person who can craft whole idea in present it. You know, it's interesting from my observation anyway. I don't know if that is. I don't know if it's an either or question in some ways. One of the things that that seems to make a room really work is the composition of the people in that room. So you might have somebody who has a different skills of the somebody else. But there's also this undersung value, but different personalities. There's some people who are just great cheerleaders to keep things going forward when it feels pretty down. There's some people that are just workhorses that just get up there and they hold the board together and they've got the best handwriting in the world. So you know, it's not like there's a very narrow bandwidth of skill set you can specialize in. I think the strength to know what you can contribute and to see its contribution to the whole in in the the way that people are kind of arranged around that table and what they bring and sort of, you know, I have. I have different skill sets, I think. And in this particular room, it took me weeks to kind of figure out, oh, this is probably. Really the best thing I can bring to the table because it can't bring everything I want to. You know, there's just not room to try and do everything. So knowing what you can bring and how it will complement who's there as more, I think valuable also, what's your take on that? I would concur one hundred percent and it changes from room to room. What the show runner is doing at the outset of any room is assessing skill sets sheer. He may have hired you thinking that your special areas specialization was going to be x, but in this constellation of writers and experiences and levels, you may be more useful doing why. And and the best example of this is comedy rooms which will often have story though often split into two. I was once on his staff eighteen people and they'll often split into two for efficiency sake. You just can't be in a room with eighteen people pitching jokes. You really shouldn't be in room with ten people, bitching jokes, but one room will. Just be on story and the other room will just be the joke room, which I found to be no exit, like a cats. Which one liners of for six to eight hours every day. And comedy is such an unfunny business. Again, that's another. That's another episode but but I was surprised, but depending on the room, depending on the show in question, I was either in the joker more in the story room, and it was just how that particular show runner assessed my ability. And that goes back to the Unietd of a full set of skills because any one of them may be called upon or required war in in any particular room. And I think what most honor show owners would probably say is that if you can get a couple of people who can give you really solid first drafts, that's invaluable because that's where most of the time suck comes in, having to rewrite and the rewrite may not be because of anything you can necessarily control a, you may get studio notes and they. Exactly. They stripped and suddenly it has to be rewritten into days that actually happened to me my first script. So somebody who can write quickly and right well quickly. You know, like we would always in him like, you know, you can add the jokes later. You can add them on set, but structure. You can't piece together on a set. So that skill set I think is is certainly help me out here. Thing. That's that's the the brass ring. If you could do that. But again, like you may find that you're better at doing that on a on a procedural, then you are legal thriller. But I think to answer the person's question, perhaps in a different way is there's no way to predict on a daily basis what you're going to need to do in any given situation. So I think having an open mind and being courageous than that way, you know if if that doesn't sound too precious to the part of it is, and I was really aware of this prior one hundred thought about it was the as you go into production, people start peeling away, right? So there might be writer of draft. There may be somebody I don't outlined to somebody on set or somebody post. So the composition of the room isn't stable either. It's changing all the time. So you might have had a particular role that you started. You know, you sort of fell into for wiles feeling. It was your comfort zone, but as personalities in the room shift, you know, you might get. Called upon for other things that you didn't do before? I love it. When people ask questions, and you said the question is wrong. It's the classic advice column move, but you know, that's that's just the the nature of the beast. Guess let's segue to question from Victor. Herman is asking about that shift of the room once in episode stories, broken and a writer leaves the room for any number of days to write a script. What does it feel like to come back in the room? Now, the story has progressed without you. Are you vocal? If there's things happen that you don't like? So Alice of, let's pretend that you are off on writing script. Now you come back in the room and they're working on another episode. Things have changed. If you see something on the board, they have says, going in a way that you sense, it's going to be trouble speak up. How do you address that? You work the room and you're like, who's Victor names on the board? You don't. A quick anecdote. I I once was sent off on outline and got a call day to that. The the network decided they didn't want to kill off his character that was killing off, come back in the room. We have to re break the story. So let's clarify. Often outline means that you are writing the outline or you're writing the script. It means that you're writing the outline. Now there are extrordinary circumstances where you're writing both simultaneously, and that's when yes, network has blown something up and you have to there so many extrordinary circumstances that you talked to enough TV writers like, oh, yeah, that's happened to me where just bureaucratically than network will demand an outline even though the script has already been written. So you're trying to distill script into outline form. It's it's ridiculous. But I would say you always have to bear in mind the value of diplomacy. You're often script, so your silo and you're focused on you have this myopic focus on the task at hand. These these twenty eight to fifty five pages while the room is going on without you and they're discovering other things about season arc and and perhaps even series are that you weren't privy to. So they have information you don't have and you have information they don't have because you're discovering something about the character as you're writing it jokes that weren't pitched in the room or layers to the character that weren't discussed in the room. And depending on the room, you may have a great deal of autonomy or you may have very little. So I think if you come back to the room and something doesn't jibe with you, it's just, you know, how do you. How do you go about farting in a close an enclosed space. I mean, depending on your your dynamic with Showrunner, it's something you might wanna have sidebar on and the show runner can weigh in on. I think that's a valid concern will raise it in the room, or I hear what you're saying, but we've moved in this direction. I've called it like we're heading on and and I'm sure that this is something that does apply across all genders across all rooms you, you have to learn not to be precious of your writing you. You won't survive if you don't, and an actually a very good skill because even if you're writing a play at some point, someone's going to tell you that they can't. This is impractical. We can't get the center, whatever it is and you have to adjust, but it's constant adjustments in a writer's room. So if if the Showrunner has decided that they're moving on from your idea, they're moving on and you need to let it go. A question from Bod who asks how much is done or expected to be done at the office. I is at home. So are you working all the time? Helen's it take to write an episode for thirty minutes show for sixty minutes show can talk about sort of the workload is how much of that work takes place, of course of like ten to six, ten, whatever in the room versus not in the room, like Ryan, what was your experience with. Work at the office versus work at home. I know it changes for every show, but you sort of get the the schedule in the rhythm of the room pretty quick. And in our case, we start at ten each morning. You know, your hope is to leave by six thirty or seven, and often you don't often you stay later just depending if the network blue something up or if you've fallen behind or whatever. I would say, you know, the room can have a rhythm in the day where it's like we're all together at the beginning and sort of mapping out something large. And then we might split into smaller rooms and somebody's doing eight and other ones doing up nine. You're running back and forth in between them because it's a serial shows you gotta make sure it'd be speaking to each other and they're not moving the story away from where it needs to be. But workload wise, I mean, the thing I found quite weird was how little actually wrote, you know, for for a long time like you really in a room talking a lot and eventually you'll go to outline. Eventually you'll go to script, but that's more the exception than the rule of. Your time. So you're in the in the room for the most part, you're in there with people. It's like you're in the belly of the submarine, and depending on your show runner, when you go to outline or up Assode, you know, they may want you to stay around the office and I can see advantages for that, especially if you're doing a serialized show because things might be changing and hot in the room and it might affect your episodes. It's good to be nearby so you can be pulled in so you can integrate those changes. You know, we might be on episode five and you know, they're shooting episode three and we need to do something in Kosovo six, that actually requires the change something back in three. So you might be tapping something that's already almost going into production just to make sure that something can be serviced further ahead and story. So you know, it really depends on the show because in our case, it's sometimes helpful to be around the offices because it's such a live worming you know, show as far as the story and how it moves and shifts. But our show runners also been really great about if you wanna right at home and you feel better, and that's good for your practice. Then than go do it, and he's cool with that. So we've we've been sort of given a lot of leeway that way. I, I like staying in the office just because I kind of like keep my finger on the pulse. I would add only that having been on a number of different shows and and shows that are very room reliant and shows that aren't one of the disciplines that I didn't value way back when that I certainly do now is the ability to write anywhere whether it's like actually onset where rewriting jokes on a sitcom, or if you have to quickly. Due triage on script that the network has blown apart, and you know, you're shooting these scenes the next day. So you're absolutely going to be writing in an office or like in a production vehicle, the more you can test your, your ab- ability to endure those extreme circumstances is the better off. You're going to be like, how nice it is to sit home and right in your pajamas. Oh, you screenwriters out there, John. I'm looking at you. You don't for the most part. You don't have that option. I'm currently on the show where the Showrunner sometimes specified like you to be around in the office, should something change or you know, it's fine. Go ahead right at home. But I, I usually force myself to do half an have an important question from Gary woulda who asks sweats in the writer's room acceptable. So it is a feature writers. I don't have to get dressed. I anything you are actually going into the presence of other people. So what are experts for how you should dress in a room? What. Also, in your experience, what are the the levels of dressed up nece in writer's room. Comfort is key. I mean, I won't be tongue-in-cheek with my response. Comfort is key because as Ryan said, depending on the room, you may be there for eight to fourteen hours and I've seen it all in terms of tire, but writers on the whole. I think you'll forgive me for generalizing but are pretty casual folk. So I worked with some dandies and that's always a bit strange. But there is no code. I think that the strange thing about Hollywood and truly you found this even a screenwriter is writers tend to be the the worst dressed. And agents the best, and then the network execs, you know, it's like business casual for all of them, but agents definitely in pearls or suits and ties. Yeah, but writers it's, yeah, it's a right night. See your dress dress codes are described is a red and black flannel the only time I have not seen you in a black t-shirt that seems to be uniform. So can you offer any insights on the wardrobe of your own Maryland blind guy. They're all naked for line. Now. Running jokes that there's there's an and I'm sure he'll be happy s.'s that Disney pee on our show who I just love. And he's just a great veteran, comedy writer. And you know, he spent so many years, eating lunch out of plastic takeout containers that he just refuses. So he has played his fork and he does his dishes and he's always dressed to the nines every day is just like, he's really committed daddy. I'm here a lot. I'm just gonna make it good and apparently on a show he was on years ago, people started rubbing him about his fork and knife in this plate and all that kind of stuff. And eventually they noticed that he just kept adding to this. And so he brought a napkin, and he'd brought certain pointy at a candle. I think that is that is just the best. And I think there's something great about that variety in the room that were just sort of takes control of their own little micro micro environment of themselves. I would say the one exception to the casual work where code is on sitcoms, where on show night, if you're always the person in a t shirt and jeans, you bring the sport coat. It's it's, it's a fun ritual. Actually, there's an audience there and it's your filming little half hour play. So you dress up a little bit Brennan O'Brien asks what's for lunch. How early in the course of the day is the decision made about what the writing staff was gonna eat for lunch, and that is a whole thing. And and so even here, so like Megan will run out and grab lunch for us sometimes, but it's nothing like what the PA servicing writer's room is doing with these giant Lynch hours commands talked about lunch, this thoughts about lunch, like the thing about lunch that because I had heard about this before I came down like it became sort of this weird cultural trope about the writer's room in the lunch. And the thing I didn't realize it's also because it's like you're one holiday moment in the day. It's like the middle of the day. It's the one moment. We sort of feel like you've stepped out of the room even though you're not in the room. So what you eat and sort of a ranging that sacred time where you're not on task is really important to people. And in our case, the menu goes out the night before, so we actually smart, which is great because you know, it's sort of it's on the table. It doesn't take up time in the morning and it's. Not a big to do. The only difficulty is deciding eleven o'clock at night what you want Moro, but I, I can. I can live with it. I just wanna say to anyone who's impulse might be, oh, I can't believe spoiled. Hollywood writers are complaining about free meal. It's not a free meal. People like they, they feed you so that they can keep you. It's to keep you just work while we're eating. Most rooms and what's become quite standard now is there is a very hard rule about budgets, so try and be in Los Angeles, New York and find a lunch that you can get for like eleven twenty five again, you know, this is not. We're not talking pampering and flying in sushi from lasco's, but I would also say that Ryan, right, like there is there could be cultural wars over. Can be holy wars waged over lunch. Like I worked with this one guy who was so obsessive and and you. And even if someone is trying to institute a democratic process, like each person in the room gets to pick like I've been that writer. It was a staffer show an I not knowing LA. I looked at the menu some place and said, this is fine and everybody complained about the lunch. So of course you feel like you've got the scarlet letter a. but I've also been in rooms, whereas Ryan just said the Showrunner at likes to work through lunch, which is torture, and it's not just torture because you don't get that decompression in the middle of the day, it's because you have to watch other people eat. Mel's like. The more rooms that you're in the more contemporaneous mental notes that you take like I will never do this when I run room. I will never do this. You have to give people lunch and you have to enforce the no eating in the room edict because it needs to be a pure space in all senses of the word except for the fact that we're writing television. But yes, let's talk about money and the financial aspect of it to questions that came in daft kid wrote is a pay enough to live off in LA. Then Anthony Cucolo asked, please give us a ballpark on salary. So it's always awkward to talk about money. But I texted a friend who's on a network one hour and he pulled staff writers on network one hour and they said that after taxes agent but not coming manager, it's roughly twenty two hundred per week for twenty week guarantee. And so for twenty guarantee that's forty, four thousand dollars, which seems good, but it's a challenging amount. If that's the only money you're making a year in Los Angeles, that's a challenging amount. So we are brought onto a staff writer on Whoopi show. That was probably you're just out of college. That was really good money for you. Yeah, it was. It was more than I can count. Yeah, and and I, you know, and by the way I just finished paying off my films colognes of six weeks ago. Congratulations. Maybe it's been eight weeks. I can't believe that I haven't. I don't have hash marks on my arm the amount of time and just the amount of mental space that vote that debt took out. But it did feel like a lot of money in that very naive sense that you're used to sing a negative balance, but you are talking about living in New York or Los Angeles, and if that is the one job that you have twenty weeks, you work out of fifty two week year than that has stretched quite a long time, and you have no idea of knowing whether you'll work five months from them one year from them to two years from them. So it's, you have to learn to budget your money and live very, very modestly. I would say the the, the rhetoric around it reminds me Laura about the way anybody talks about any kind of well paying seasonal labor markets. Like you could be a rough neck on oil rigs, and it's a very similar kind of culture where it looks like you're being paid just a rebel. Niculae amount of money. But then when you think about twenty five percent of it goes to your agent manager. Lawyer bunch goes to taxes. It only gets paid out over six months and then you'll find out six months later. If you get to work again for another year, you have to sort of save with an anticipation of disaster all the time. So it's not even like you really can enjoy that feeling of security because on the other side of it is a big unknown question Mark. And so everybody's sort of squirrels away anticipating the worst, which kind of creeps into your psyche. Example I gave was on a network show that you know is a twenty week show, but like so many shows as hurt for streaming there for cable and there's no guarantee that many weeks are gonna be at that rate. And one of the sort of WJ negotiations that has happened was about opposite acidity. Basically, when you finish this show, how long can they hold onto you without paying you cases another season of the show coming up. And so that is a huge factor in sort of like your ability to make a living as a TV writer. And so you know what was great money for Allison coming out as a first time staff writer would be challenging amount of money for somebody would have young family. That's a lot. It's why don't have the family. The truth is I have friends who have kids, and when I say to them, I was up until three or four finishing script either. They look at me slack jawed and then I think of, oh my God, what had defeated kid to would've even had walk a dog. So perhaps the most useful piece of information to someone listening to this podcast and God, I wish podcasts existed. Was first starting out is that if you are uncomfortable with the notion of instability and Ryan to spoke to this, this life isn't for you. It just, I mean, Linda's story is, is, is a perfect example of that because you would think no one has greater stability than someone who has a fifty million dollar deal who's Pru with proven track record was into manned, but she was yoked so severely by les Moonves and she couldn't were. I mean, that was an exclusive deal. I had to, you know. So obviously, that's an extreme example. She she had been very well paid for a long time. She earned all the money from the her shows that had been on the air, but television is predicated on failure even more specifically than any other area of show business, perhaps theater. But you just have to assume that you're not going to work for a long time, and that's not a catastrophe that's being a realist. So you have to be. Able to weather that storm emotionally psychologically and financially and it never ends. You know, I've been doing this now almost fifteen years, and when my room wraps in two months less than two months, I don't know what my next gig is going to be. So. Right. And you've been doing this for less than a year on the whole, how would you compare the experience of of writing TV writing for spreading features? Did it make you wanna do more TV or to make you feel better about what you can do and features? It has really given me a taste for TV. I will say that I did. I was joking the room quite often that linked. There's elements of working in TV that remind me radio, but there's elements of writing features that remind me writing books. I mean, there's that solitary isolated thing of novels and feature scripts, whereas there's such a much more social elements in television and and the processes incredibly social. It's not just the nature of being in the room at the people, but the work gets done in a very social league collaborative way, and it's kind of refreshing to be yanked from my basement after ten years and be put in front of people in there. You know, just like doing the laundry and just hope there is another gig around the corner somewhere. So you know, I think like a lot of people in the business right now because there's such a seismic shift in what's being made in terms of features, and that there is so much more being made in terms of television and streaming and cable that everybody's got their eyes on both sides. You know. So many companies that I met with in the past that used to be just features all have TV sides now. So I'm looking at it more and and the thing that I find is that it just asks a different kind of brain around your writing. And it's it's, there's a lot of really interesting puzzles that I just never encountered before, like like I was saying to my sister's morning that that you know tell with features, you start with a blank page concept of the pitch or piece of IP, and you just sort of sky's the limit go for it. You know, what is your best version of what the story could be if it was up on a screen and there's so many decisions that have already been made about television before you start writing. You know, you have certain actors for certain number of episodes, and so you got. A planet a season that makes somebody drop away for three times and make sure if you can't at least have to those episodes back to back. So they don't have to fly back and forth and you've got four standing sex and you've not only four days on those four days out for every episode. So you can write the most amazing episode of that show, but it can. It can be completely unpredictable. And so you're writing with all these interesting constraints in place, and that's not a thing I'd had to do before, so it's it's a cool new puzzle, you know, in that respect. So I would say I've got a taste for it. Now, let's maybe the greatest gift that TV gives you is it forces this discipline that you never would have been able to describe had you not been in it, but I think having a producers brain is something that most writers don't have to have or adapt to you. Don't write TV precise for what Ryan said. But once you have it, I think it makes you a better writer certainly makes you more efficient writer, art, let's go onto our one cool things. So my one thing is TV show called succession on each bureau, and it's a really good show and people everyone talks about it as a really good show. But by experience giving into it was interesting because it's a traditional show once per week. And so it's not a Netflix show, which is all available once. And I heard some good things. I heard not good things about it. And so I sort of held off on watching it until six or seven episodes in and there was like, oh my God, it's amazing. And so now I'm watching catching up, but it's been such an interesting experience. Feel like succession would have had different placement in the world that it all come at once and everyone had seen like, oh, it gets really good, so therefore you should watch it. And yet in a weird way, coming out, we by weak and then getting really, really good, has sort of given extra life and you might have missed it. If it was just like another really good show that's stacked up waiting for you to watch so succession. It's a really good comedy drama. It feels like it's, you know it has a quality of veep, but it's not veep and takes. A little while to find its tone footing, but I highly recommend succession on Iggo Ryan. What is your one thing. My one cool thing. So you know, since I'm working on this show in the main character is a blind woman, and they brought me in for reasons related to that amongst other things. One of the things that kept coming up was how technology has really changed the whole experience of being blind and actually throws a lot of really interesting wrenches wrenches in the storytelling that wouldn't have existed ten years ago, five years ago even so I still have a stick, which is the best technology. They came up with. But dessert hard to improve on the stick. But there is something that has made a kind of run for the improvement on it, and it is an app that's called be my eyes and be my eyes is run by what the app basically is. You can sign up. So anybody out there who cited consign up to volunteer on this app and it's on a blind persons phone, and it's a big button in the middle of the screen. And when you hit it calls a random volunteer, and then it's like FaceTime and they look through your phone for you and they can see things for you. So like if I'm staying at a street corner, trying to find a crosswalk, I can just be my eyes and John would pop on or somebody in Tokyo, and they can look at the crosswalk for me steer me how you have to be very trusting person. Yes, not do, but it's also fascinating because it's become repurpose like apparently people with dyslexia been using it and all sorts of other circumstances. It's sort of like a network of just volunteers who can face time to help you with. Anything that could be solved by FaceTime ING. Wow. So it's kind of fascinating, but you know, I don't use it too much because I'd like to have the material of being lost. It's like it's better stories by get lost, but I put it out there because it's it's a great thing to support by even volunteering for it. Let's join AL's McDonnell. My one call thing is a cool thing wrapped up in a piece of advice, and I hope that it's one that hasn't been mentioned on this podcast before, but if it has, I think it's still useful to hear again, and that is to take improvisation classes. If you are interested in writing for TV has is this refrain oft-repeated on? It's never gonna one cool thing. So it's gonna face. I had actually been writing and TV rooms for while and started taking classes at UC UCF at upright. Citizens brigade th they're actually matriculated quote, unquote theater school. So you can take a number of different classes, but in scotch and different aspects of improv and performance. But. It teaches you the discipline of not just I'm coming up with ideas and being able to dismiss them if Italy and not getting to attach to anyone idea. But the discipline of of collaboration and a lot of the same rules of etiquette apply in an improv troupe at doing an writer's room and that is new CB. The philosophy is don't be a dick like that's first and foremost like the do no harm for studio harm credo, and I wish more people at your TV rooms the way that they do it, you see. But the second is that you are part of a a multi hydra of brain so there. And we spoke about this earlier in the podcast that there may be a unique skill set that you have you contribute in this particular room that you wouldn't in another room and you have to be comfortable with that. But you also have to recognize when you're getting in your own. Head too much. And this is really, this is hard to do just as human beings you want to excel and you want to succeed and you know the the high pressure stakes in a room. It's not just the show must go on. We have to shoot this, it's, you know, I, I want to have this job next season, so I need to impress the show runner. But if you're so much in your head, you're not gonna be able to to be productive. And if you pitch a joke that dies in the room, you cannot allow it to derail you. So that's what being an improvisation class can teach you get past that one bag. Joke that one bad idea that didn't fly and there will be someone who comes around who either builds on it, like the yes, an philosophy of of improv or in room. You're just going to move past like bad ideas are the ingredients of what ultimately becomes a good script. So I think it teaches you dexterity. It teaches you to have a very healthy. Outlook on, you know what? The sausage making processes. Excellent. That is our show for this week. Our shows produced by Donald. It's edited by Matthew Kelly. I also this week is by recessional Rothe. If you've been out, you can send a link to ask John SICOM. That's also where you can send longer questions for sort of questions or the things I read from Twitter. I am at John August Craig's at seal. Mazen. Are you guys on Twitter? You wanna be singled out on Twitter at Ryan at right, nine. And I'm at she got problems. Good. I'm falling you John. So you know, you're gonna follow, follow with a follow. I don't know how you even have the the lingo. I don't know if I'll Craig. He should follow Craig. He so bias. Yeah. With love. You can find links to the stuff we talked about on the show today at John dot com or just for this. You can find the whole podcast on apple podcasts or on Spotify district scripts while you're there. You can lose a comment. You tell us how awesome Ryan Knighton announcement Ona-led are you'll find transcripted on dot com. We get them up about four days after the episode airs and you can find all the back of the show at scripts dot net or as seasons at John dot com. Slash store AL's McDonald Ryan. Thank you so much for talking TV with me. This was great. I was. I'm delighted to have been here. I can. I do a pass of the transcripts, can connecting dialogue. Easily. 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Illeana Douglas Steps Forward

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Illeana Douglas Steps Forward

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She became a leading source in ruins first story about moon vs and a week ago we published a second piece together. Those two articles contain accounts from a dozen women alleging mistreatment and assault moon vez step down from his position at CBS on September ninth without admit. Any wrongdoing. He's insisted that he had consensual relationships with some of the accusers in made advances on others, but he claims that he never engaged in any form of retaliation. Ileana Douglas says otherwise, and we spoke with her last week. Liana on the morning after the Weinstein story broke in the New Yorker website, you called running pharaoh as I understand it and why? And what did you have to say? Well, this was a story as far as you know, as I'm concerned that was basically out there and you know nobody ever thought the day would come where we would actually be able to be talking about these stories. But the Harvey Weinstein story seemed to be a watershed moment, and I was inundated by calls from my attorney. Actresses you've got, you've got to talk to Ronin Vero, you know, Ronan Farrow easily patron Saint of actresses, you know, and he has become the patron Saint of actresses. Harvey Weinstein was a particularly lurid awful story, but it wasn't the first one. I mean there had been Roger Ailes at Fox News. There had been below right. Highly. There'd been other other stories, but I obviously not nearly enough, but why did Harvey Weinstein break open the gates on this? In my opinion, the Harvey Weinstein story and experiences of working in show business and feeling as if your name has been blacklisted as if they're barred from ever working again. And I think that there was just a collective moment from women. You know, we threw down the doors and said, we're not going to take this anymore. So your experience with with less moon viz, who was one of the biggest figures in television media running CBS and lorrimore and all the rest. When did you first encounter him and what happened? Well, what happened to me in nineteen Ninety-six is I was literally at the height of my career was thirty two years old signed by a CA, had a starring movie coming out grace of my heart. I came from a comedy background. I knew how to write and be funny. I'd produced two films I was filled with piss and vinegar. When I came out to Hollywood, you know, and I was fully intent on having a big fat television deal. So I go out there to pitch my television show men. It was a workplace comedy, and I pitched this show verbally to all the different networks. But because they had a really special feeling about CBS when I was growing up, you know, we were so poor that we only got one channel so we only got CBS and for a year, these were multiple meetings where you come in and there are many people in the room. You're meeting six, seven people at a time, and they wanna be in business with you. And Mr. moon vez called me at home multiple times. Times to convince me to go with CBS. So I say, yes, I'm gonna go with them and then we sign what is called a production deal. Right? That means you can't go to any other network and I write a script again, multiple meetings, everybody's in those meetings. I feel more and more that this is the place you know that I want to be, and it's very interesting. I just want to segue about Mr. Munoz, you know when he says, this isn't the person that I am. I agree with him because the person that I had multiple meetings with was charming, he was charming. He was funny, you know, told me all about CBS. That was the guy I wanted to be in business with. I thought of Missouri father figure. And ultimately we had a a disagreement about a plot twist in the script. And so I said, you know what? I don't think I wanna do that. Let me pass on the script. So once the deal goes away, they in fact, they still. Want to continue to work with me, but this time now exclusively as an actress and they. And so we make a new deal and he gave you a what's called a holding deal. Right for three hundred thousand dollars. Yes. The new deal is we're going to offer you a couple pilots. He said, we, we, we make stars at CBS. You're going to be a big start. You know, this was I drank the Kool aid I was in. I couldn't wait to go to work. So what happened? Mr. Munoz was still may be concerned that I was going to be unhappy transitioning from the pilot. I wrote to now being an actress, and then I got a phone call from my manager saying, you know, less is a little concerned about your attitude. You know, I was in shock, so I was immediately scared and I was immediately put on my guard that I have to go to his office and convince him. That no, no, no, I understand it. I am a writer producer. I do have dreams to do that, but I am a student of show business. I understand the rules of authority and I wanted to go to his office to tell him with the utmost respect that I would be giving my all. And I wanted to go into discuss what I thought were flaws in the material. Do I have aspirants to write and direct? Yes, I do. And so I went to the meeting trying to convince him that to say, I think there's some flaws in the script, so let's get to the meeting. So I go into the meeting. Immediately, it turned very personal, you know, without getting into the salacious details. You know, Mr. Moonves asked was a single and I was stumbling fumbling trying to get back to the script. And then next thing I knew he was on top of me, you know, with his tongue down my throat. And at that point I, I understand show business. You know, I got warnings about the casting couch, but I didn't perceive this as the casting couch. This was a man who I it mired and respected and who had gained my trust. And now he was on top of me and I didn't know how to get out of it. How do I stop this somehow? Make a joke, you know, and get the hell out of the room. You know, he walked away for me and I realized, you know, my skirt was all sort of twisted up and just sort of grab tried to grab my briefcase. And so I got to the door and sorry for getting your motion will you know that's that's where the terror begins after you leave. Yes, that's where the repercussions begin your boss. The person would Meyer the network. It would. Stop blocks your way and says, we're going to keep this between you and me. Right, and I understood what that meant and the answer to that was yes, yes, I understand that. I understand. I am powerless actress who is not going to say one word to embarrass you about what you just did to make you internalize the idea that this is the normal thing, but I but listen, I understand that many women before me. Tippi Hedren is a say, Shirley temple, Judy, Garland, Marilyn Monroe. You know, I know about the stories. I understand you shut up and you go to work on Monday and I was prepared to do that. And there was no way that I would. Have ever to this day ever have said anything I would have kept that secret blocked up tight. If Mr. moon vez had not fired me, Ileana run-ins article goes into some detail about what transpired after that and in terms of money in terms of other work, and people can certainly read that in ruins piece. But I just want to broaden the story a little bit in other stories about sexual harassment. We've heard about whisper networks and rumor and warnings in various institutions or industries including yours. Right? And certain particular people are rumored to be Janus, how much did you run into that before or even after your encounter with Moonves you, do you hear rumors about him or other people. Not at all. I was in an artistic cocoon in New York City. I've never before or since been in a situation, you know, like that there certainly wasn't the climate back in the day to even talk about that. Something like this led to your, you know, I was sub school has fired by the manager fired by my agent. I think that the reason they fired me is because of something that was said about me to them. How did you live with this emotionally for the last twenty years? What would where did it? How did it? I don't know how to put this. How did it reside in your heart in day to day life? How much did it pop up in your mind as Monday went into Tuesday? Well, it's it's one of those things that you, you know, again, you compartmentalize when you have an experie-. Like this, it's a stumble for an actress, and you only get one, you know, you only get you only get one stumble, so you keep your eyes down and you don't want to be labeled as difficult had I not gone gone to that meeting had this not happened to me at CBS, I would continued to work at CA maybe I would have developed another show gone on and may be had in like an incredible, you know, great run at CBS, but instead you go to the back of the bus. But when you read the other stories of the other women in those two pieces about moon viz to say nothing of the many stories that have been written about any number of powerful men in the last year, how do you feel. You know, my heart is broken to hear that you know, two years after what happened to me that he, you know, maybe did the same thing to his doctor. I mean, that's a, that's his doctor and that she didn't report it. I don't know about, like, you know. So to get when you get caught up in like sh- what should severance p. v. you know, I, I don't know. I just know right and wrong. And and this is wrong. And all the women that were in the story, including me had their careers, I believe, really, really tragically hurt. So I urge anyone in show business, give him a job. That's all they want is a job is an ability to work. We'll Leon, I want. I want to take the opportunity. I know Ronin has to thank you. You know, the journalists, reporters editors all the rest. They often get prizes pats on the back and all the rest. But I, the greater bravery. Oh, by far is the bravery of a source, and I'm very grateful to you for for that. It must have taken enormous strength to to pick up the phone and an. I appreciate that more than I can say. And I have one last question so sure there there have been any number of stories that New Yorkers published about the attorney, general of the state of New York, about less moon bet. Harvey Weinstein, and many other publications have done the same. What's next? What? What do you want to see happen and come out of all of this? Okay is this is my opinion. I believe that CBS must be a pioneer. There is a deep seeded, a history of misogyny at CBS in my opinion. But what would be really impressive is that the new head of CBS says. I'm going to turn the page on this and I am not going to let an environment happen where women go to work and don't feel safe. There are there's a culture of silence you know, within this industry, I understand it's a lot of money and it's like some actress, you know, come on, you know, get a grip, but it is important for not only women to come forward and have reporters come forward to keep reporting on this. But to have an executive who has the courage to say, I am going to make a stand and I am not going to tolerate, you know, this kind of behavior. And if you know something CBS, I urge you to come forward. 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Winter: how to cope and thrive!

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Winter: how to cope and thrive!

"Today we are talking about the uinta. We are in the midst of it here in toronto in canada. We're gonna talk about psychological ways to cope why we should maybe all be jumping in cold water and how nature can be sort of a refuge at times like this. Early immediate doubts. Happy new year. New year Yeah that was just a teaser for like you know you gotta give that bit. That's like and here's the answer but is You'll have to wait and find out how shakes happy. Twenty twenty one happy america had to quote unquote democracy falling out but is a different episode. Let's say it. Because i was like when i was thinking of what we do. Is we go make. Maybe we should win. A bet even mean coo- they. Yeah i just see those tiktok. S hannukah from kedah ta. It's actually it's like champagne. Yea like champagne from his regent. America just had a sparkling wine. -tarian uprising. My gosh how's your new year ago and we don't have together truly the same always freaks me out a little bit. We have pretty viral video called wind new year sox. And that's why you're expecting things to be different. Things are the same you ask anything. We just moved on this one especially. This was a very strange new year's eve new year. Even christmas like we didn't see our families resumed them and i don't know it was just odd on new year's eve we just got us to do. Just dance at the drop of midnight gregory. Dan redid part of me. Katy perry's academy. It was twenty twenty. You can't have all of me and puppet puppet puppet good but then it was like done and we were like a bed the quote unquote ball. Drop my balls. My mom my balls will draw ball drop. Moment was very lacklustre like when they were like happy new year from like dick guitarists atar like six feet. Away from link janardan. Whoever the canadian we looked at each other was definitely like angie collect and year. You know the name that the year that shall not be named. Yeah and hopefully twenty one rewatch every harry potter over the christmas break and so that was in my hand. We are not we are about earlier. Anything no that's true. Honesty gives me conflicting feelings. But i just was like they have a lot of chris. I don't love a lot of different christmas movies. And then someone pointed out to me that most harry potter's have precedes. So i was like. Oh that's like a fun way to watch kind of a movie that has like action. Whatever also christmas because isn't it just because they go through the years they're always like it's the fall and it's exactly and there's always like a scene in the movie where they're like getting gifts or they're going home for christmas or those kinds of things and there's the castle gets decorated with christmas decorations but is it always like the climax occurs in spring towards the end of the air as there ever like a half year you know i think the first couple are like oh is kind of weird the around the year structure of school because they always end the first bunch and with them like going home at the end of the year but the later ones become like especially the the last ones. It's like and watch them. Because i think you know they later went certainly become a mess. I was and i really hated the movies. Yeah these it was easier to watch. Rewatch them having not read the books in a long time. Because i wasn't like thinking about all the things that they didn't include and you weren't thinking destroyed like the book is so good at the hogan and they just actually took it all out because they were like. We can't possibly put a fight scene here an epic battle at hogwarts because that can only happen in one movie which is the seventh one. I hated that. Made me so mad. Because i actually found a way that the battle was written in the books. Like i remember like my hands. Were like convulsing. I was like shaking fighter flight over my body. As i was turning the pages which i don't think ever happened to me and like and then did think that they didn't get that right. It was like land is like your opportunity of opportunities anyway like we will not be upholding transphobia in our podcast. So i didn't mean very mad oriented. That these i torrent i actually did. Yeah i don't know. What do you have any thoughts any resolutions and he goals. Oh my god so sad. No i honestly don't really have that many like goals. We did goal setting like my new year's september new year. New me at the beginning here. Yeah for sure i. I don't know yeah. I didn't actually make any i wrote. I wrote some things down for work. Some ideas for the year but not like pat like not like resolutions. Like i will do this every day. Just kind of goals in general for the year honest even then. I was like i'll do that later. I haven't really done your new year's allegiance to make a new year's resolution. And so i mean i'm excited for this year. I know it's been tough. And i'm more optimistic and more hopeful. I know it will probably still be much longer than we realize. 'til things are back to normal and we hope science gets ahead of the mutating wires and things like that. Yeah stakes high. I mean like spring and summer will come in hopefully things regardless hopefully knock on wood will be a little easier. At that point. We can hang outside well. That is a great segue to what we're talking today which is winter. Which is this constant concept of. I'm excited for spring. I'm excited for summer. I mean you were talking about pandemic which makes sense. But i think a lot of people do that outside of pandemic so we're gonna talk today about how science can help you know. We should always be president. If you happen to live in a place where you're stuck in winter there are things you can do to enjoy it more and those are some of the things that i think. We've been trying to enact our lives not in the new york. Winter came early before that saw a soccer now. Well but i oh yeah. I forgot his words. What area are julie chan or julie. Chen moon says she knows. But i what is with you and all your problematic with mini-league on this. Maybe the women themselves problem matic. Maybe it's the men in their lives. That have ruined them about that okay. I think you'll chen is problematic. That i'm julie. Chen moonves as it was like. Okay what do you get into this. Anyway you leave them says burst a lot. That's about i. What did you learn this week. Oh buddy we learned this week. I love to enter situations. But i i first honey all right. This week i learned something that you're gonna love okay. It's related to something that you're very interested in generally gay sex. Yeah no. I learned how your environment affects your happiness. Which might not seem like something. You're upset but recently. Greg became obsessed with birding and identifying all the bird species that are in our neighborhood. Our backyard and the parks. Nearby chipping sparrow or just a measly. Have spero. Let's look at the line like literally. Every time we go on a walk was the head. I signing a credible flock of european starlings and blue jay right in the middle on top of a wire and i was like i would have walked by that any other day and here. I am like freaking out okay. So the research that came out found that biodiversity in any given area is associated with increased life satisfaction in particular more bird species is one of the best indicators for life satisfaction of humans around them of humans around them crazy so basically they studied twenty six thousand european citizens across twenty six countries and human wellbeing was like self reported so they got people to say how they were feeling or how their life satisfaction was and species diversity was like the richness of tax onomic groups so Birds mammals trees all these things. And what they found out was what i said. The richness of the species was correlated to life satisfaction on a similar magnitude to that of income. So you can predict. Somebody's life satisfaction just as equally based on like the bird biodiversity in their area so people on cost feeling. Good possibly now. The caveat of this is of course the the study was claiming that it's causation. But it was like a really good predictor. So of course it could be that when there's more about diversity it's because there's more parks because there's more greenspace for the words to live as a result that maybe it's making humans happier to be in more natural spaces interest. It was just very. I just thought it was really cool. Especially like the bird species. Diversity could indicate you how happy people are well. That's not good for the optimism of life. Because you know about ever decreasing birds are all dying on and bow. Diversity is going down across the rodney gone away. It's important that we all are aware of these. Studies are more important than ever to show. Diversity isn't just like these animals that who cares every species dies eventually. It's like it has a direct in my god people. Say oh my god that'd be more. Some people's like perspective might be. Oh well like every species dies. We can't stop every yeah. People who are trying to argue against manmade is important in so many spaces diversity in many ways so many studies have shown like the mix of genes human communities having diverse genes protects against so many different things so anyway we should be putting. I think this research can help to influence and enforce ideals of preserving nature. Yeah for sure but also it's funny because it's like we're talking how to enjoy winter truly bio-diversity decreases in winter when it comes to see a police house aren't though ball wintering birds say but there's there's just saying and based on that study. Yeah you're right. We're looking right now for the ones that stayed here even some that come from the arctic like the dark guide you go but for the most part i'm excited for spring two bird because a lot more comeback. I'm just saying that's interesting like we're trying to be like one of the things that weren't day. It is important to accept that winter as hard that can be part of what helps you oiler. No but i'm saying that's like so. Based on that study birds are going to leave for the winter and that might be hard enough but it wasn't just about birds plant species other animals. And you did say birds or something. Instead bird species as one of the best indicators. Wow about so. They made a point but they had Yeah yeah but they had been looking at just about diversity. In general among lots of fact did you say fag muster factor. I part what did you learn this week. Craig while mine's about winter to sharda. Sorry i was late into winter. And it's that. I didn't realize that trees bud in the summer. So when you look at a tree currently or a shrub even there. You'll see the buds waiting to erupt fourth. When the long days come back in the sun starts to shine for longer but those buds in my head. I've always been like okay. They appear i guess sometime in fall or maybe even winter or maybe even the buds appear in spring and sometimes people think but the buds appear in the summer. But you can't see them because there's all these leaves if it's like a grow new leave the new leaves that are gonna grow in spring. That bud will appear in the summer. But it's underneath leaves on deciduous trees. You won't see them underneath flowers like there's all these foliage in the way that you're not seeing them then during opposition which is the scientific name for dropping your leaves in the fall or dropping fruits. It doesn't have to necessarily just be the than the leaves off off. And then you see the buds so the buzzer or was there and then also buds are so interesting because technically like that. Bud erupts yes in spring. But it's still there in winter like a tree budding in winter which i think is sort of an important thing to remember like we're not designing these trees are dead. They're all budding winter. They're still alive and then in the spring is when they're going to get their leaves like from those buds from those we were created in the summer. that's crazy. I didn't know that i know i know. It's r- for the next spring ring in summer. But you see them because there's leaves if it is a deciduous tree and flowers and all these things in the way they're underneath the leave. Well i mean. I'd probably just has to do with. Iran has the most energy to create. Yeah for sure yeah. It was door and then it's like they're ready the second. It needs it in the spring. The buds are just like ready so it doesn't springtime spraying. It's definitely thought in spring is when every part of the tree comes back. Yeah that's why right. Now when you look at trees you can walk by their friends and go. Oh look the trees budding in the middle of like a dark january and they'll say well i tell you what is technically that's cool. I didn't know that. And you're definitely right when i think about it. There are lots of trees right now where you'll be like. There's buds on that tree. But maybe you would in the spring really notice like oh they're like a little bit green in opening so you might more notice them Rain and then becomes the lots of food for birds. I didn't realize a lot of birds. Eat beds and squirrels eat beds. So it's kind of fun to like. That's going to be a little bit of food for animals. Such as interesting. Bud shall we though winter of it all though studied And that was margaret thatcher to. We're watching yeah. That was actually pretty good. Sounds like talking like an old person like bush. Kurt wow we haven't finished it yet. But they're gonna like war. We didn't know about time. I watched the crown on. Google is juicy great winter series to be watching. It's kept us occupied okay. Let's start with. What are some things that you do. In the winter differently become depressed. I don't leave my have okay. Honestly docker now pandemic or no. I think this will be an interesting time in an interesting winter to experience. How ever i feel like myself and with your guidance have had a more concerted effort to take care of this winter if that makes sense so to. You've been like we should. Let's do birding. Let's go on walks in these parks. Let's be outside. Let's try and appreciate winter and look at the trees and like they're not dead. They're going through like a really beautiful amazing process. And i think that's sort of prime me and even in previous years especially this year like let's make sure we take advantage of winter activities that you can't do like let's try and go skiing more often when the snow is there so i feel. I'll be curious to see how this winter goes in. That's just been a mental shift in over the past few years for me. 'cause i've always hated winter so for those curious are around. The world are international listeners. We have the sunset. The shortest day of the year was december twenty first and the sunset around four forty five pm and when the sunrise couldn't tell you i don't i've never been up that early and also like it's dark even before it's like it's cloudy half the days the dark and i feel like at four. You're like it's nighttime. It's already and right now. It is minus seventeen degrees celsius with the wind. Chill so it's very cold even though it's sunny for our american illiterates who don't use celsius because just you know most of the world does like sometimes it goes to minus thirty celsius here and that's around the point at which celsius coexist so for you americans. There's one moment where you actually can understand around the mind. Is there anywhere. it's the same i know. Obviously there are americans who experienced that type weather especially like those close to the park in minnesota. But is there i growing up. Sometimes in winter school would be cancelled here because it's too cold to be outside. Yeah it's actually for kids especially dangerous to have your skin exposed and your kids are dominated. Like don't even where their jackets and stuff like a little bit. I don't even need my jacket died. And they literally like their faces. Turn like red. But i remember recently when we still remains in our roommates air came on when she was wearing jeans on one of those really called took. Her jeans often her legs were like so radley burnt. Maybe along underwear long underwear one of the best investments in my life. I am obsessed. I'm always cold always. So i wear to jackets. I wear a nice puff jacket. And then i throw on a full winter jacket on top of that and now i must say wearing a mask crate and mention. Never gonna go back because a scarf is like fine but my jacket covers. And i found a mask is just so perfect. 'cause sometimes a scarf can actually be too much in your face and so hot and wet and heavy masks perfect barrier for cold wind if you want to remove it or like have a breath you just you just pull in your state isn't it. I love it. But don't you find the is air coming out into the cold air condensing to create a liquid. Make it so juicy soupy on the face that does happen sometimes. And that's why. I'll take it off for a little bit just to like circulate that water out. Wow okay. that's interesting. So but i have noticed. I've really low. I love wear a mask. I love from now on even five years now flexing with the mask at the winter party. It will definitely be more acceptable. Oh for sure to just be like. Oh i just wore my man. I don't get sick now to all the time i'm like. Oh because i would go on the subway and like lick my lips after heat chicken wings on the subway holding a subway like just eating food. Yeah so true. Also now in a friend comes your party and i have a bit of a galley. You understand the aerosol particles are gonna stay in this area now. Leave the party about it and you ain't that fine. We don't need you here. That's true okay. Well why don't we get into some of the science like do you want to go first chair whereas okay so what. What did you look up about. Winter right mine is about. The science of polar baird dips a little gay win her. What's his note. Game arena partake. Wim hof think. Wim hof. When i i don't have hot take. I think like he's like this dude at a lot of dudes like what's the word like prescribe so who is with him. And i'm not did i have no real take on. Because he breathed while in the cold or something well his whole thing is that he can sort of control his reaction his heart rate often. When you go into really cold scenario. I'm going to talk about okay. i'll let you talk. No no but i'm curious. I wanna call him so he. I don't know so much about him by. He's able to sort of bear extreme temperatures in the cold. I think he believes it. Helps with a lot of elements and things bear looks like mayor rugged and very much focused on like introducing holding your life and then breathing techniques that allow you to like push through it and not have the sort of shock that would otherwise like a lot of people when they fall into cold water for example like grass gasp for breath and go through shock. That's exactly what i'm talking about so i. I have really felt that. I get seasonal depression winter so when it was awesome. You like actually. That's not challenging. I'm curious about that. Oh yeah yeah no. I have like in january and february. Like i kind of so through therapy. I genuinely quite no. I'm not optimistic. Actually i think the world's going south noise have but i'm a happy person like i. I enjoy life like thoroughly. But i also sometimes like did i wanna lean into the sadness and i really find january february time ram like. I'm so sad and like i like not that like it but i'm like that's it can be an opportunity which is one thing that i think is important but i read a book called wintering which is a new book. Which is incredible. It's an incredible book. It's like a poetic slash science book. That is about a person coping with like having to be inside because of a physical element that came out recently. That i was like this book needs to be talked about because we're all going through whether it's winter we're going through a type like a winter even. Yeah even if you're in a really like warm climate you're still having to deal with like what she described as a winter which is like a time in your life where you become more stagnant. You've slowdown isolating like winter is always a little isolated which she argues from like a literary poetic sense is like a beautiful opportunity in life to stop to be sad to like you know recalibrate. That's sort of like there's no science in that but the book is based in that and then she goes through all these different scientific things like or historical things like humans would pickle in the fall to prepare for winter to keep things sort of like edible in the winter. And i'm like oh that's interesting. So she brought pickling into her life. Or whatever. Like words like oh. That's so low with you there. You go so that. That would be something i would love. Everything pickled like truly love. And i don't know why i've never gotten into that because i guess i just haven't seen myself as a pickler but so how to cope or thriving winter december pickle december pickled january february. Enjoy your pickled interesting pickled foods and sort of rethink about how in the past when we didn't have you know like farming like mangoes from brooklyn. Yeah but you know what i mean. It's most. We're getting like mangoes from my costa rica things. We have refrigeration actually doing an answer. Is it too late to pickle and it because those types of things are out of season now. It's not too late to pick up again. We get whatever we gotta cucumber right now. We want to talk to so many things that are pickled other than just pickles. Like even beats or radishes. Exactly we how low we are like. No we want from canada. Where so fricking lucky. From being moment pickle. Let's pick but but are the historical context. And like maybe a way you could it be. You could like look forward to being like december's pickle. And i make sense. And i enjoy my pickled things january or like that to help winter. That's one of your types of people but she talks about cold water swimming as something that she picked up as part of writing this book that like truly changed her life and she anecdotally speaks to some people who have suffered serious depression. Who are in their words cured through this cold water swimming and who in the summer to actually have ice baths all the time an order to keep up this ritual because without it. They are actually so sad. So i'm going to talk about the scientific studies that which is not too many so like wim hof for example. I don't know much about him. But i've i've read through reading these studies about what he says. A lot of. It is not scientifically valid but some of them is getting there like he's definitely more of a cultural phenomenon. Yeah but it's like this is what the science is. And i think there's going to be a lot kind of like the way we talk about shrooms now the way we talk about right. There's more to come. Yes and it is like the science now doesn't mean that it's not exactly but i think there's a lot of people out there really saying lots of things to make a point to get people to do it but i'm gonna tell you what though scientists because it's actually not bad exciting but interesting so when you get into the so. I did this recently. I greg insane not okay. Well it's insane people who follow him on our comments for like you should have been breathing me very jumped into that okay so again. This wim hof guy like who are you about. I wanna talk to you because it's not like what it's not. He's talking about how you can cope to stay in the water longer and it is all about breathing through the pain to like. Eventually you be able to after you do this more. And more through breeding techniques. Be able to stay in this really cold water for ten minutes twenty minutes even so that's something you have to work your way up to but someone who's doing it for the first time it's like people relax okay so when you get into the water but you had mentioned as the cold shock response which is what your body will go through and it will cause you to gasp which is something we all do at home just like turn your shower too their coldest and you'll gas interesting mayor. I can't even describe. I've i've like jumped into pools that are like eighty degrees fahrenheit. Isn't that weird. Be measured our pools in canada and various. I know like. I have no idea where that isn't always there what you're saying. Truly i should not have dragged americans earlier. Because i'm illiterate like i just don't know because your family has a pool lucky and these. Oh it's seventy eight today. And then i'll be like cool like what does that mean. And they'll is it about to boil. It sounds high but truly eighty degrees is to most people to greg will be like this is like bath water. It is not but to me. It is actually like actually still cold. Okay so you. Yeah so you definitely everything on for sure but but your version of cold you would start at a warmer temperature to me by people. It's still going to give you. Maybe a call chalk okay. And so that response is what makes you gasp. And then you'll start to hyperventilate again. You can picture this. You've got into cold water. Your goes without you thinking you're going to go but the cold shock gasp is something that i think what those people in the comments might have been saying. Is that if you are ever caught off guard or you fall in cold water unprepared. It can cause her to gas. Which means you can take in water and drowns. There's there's not not dangerous to this but what. She argues in the book. And what these studies say. If you're preparing and even just consciously going into cold water it is safe. you're not going to. It's not an uncontrollable gas but sometimes happens people fall in and then it becomes more dangerous. What they say is just not to scare people. So that response increases your blood pressure. Fats and glucose from your body will then be released because it's fight or flight like it thinks something is wrong. It truly thinks your body is going through a stress response and not i can relate to having done it twice in this freezing water. It is like it is crazy. Like i'm giggling. Because it's a crazy feeling bad. Why do we think this is a good. So what happens but it says so. It comes these beta endorphins. Lead to a sense of euphoria. Which i can attest to. I felt so high like so happy for three to four hours every year there you would have an opposite. I would just like the ecstatic reading a book thinking. It's like you're no but i know but we did it at the. He's actually kind of old bears. No what's going on. They're taking naps. They're not jumping in breathing. That's like. I love an app to and i couldn't nap. I felt high. Like i felt like i was on drugs. So that's the beta endorphins. But the science is but they're starting to realized is through something cross adaptation and they've done some pretty small studies. I'd say i don't want to claim this too. Legit that training or body to go through that stress response and it's actually only six deaths before the cold shock response decreases by half against self identified so after six dips in the cold. Water starts to kind of know what to expect a dozen freak out. Yes you can. Yes so the people will say that they can stay in twice as long that they feel twice like again itself responded survey so it's not like twice like mathematically or through during their. Yeah but they're like. Oh my god. I stay in here so long and i feel like it's half as bad or whatever that cross adaptation of dealing with that stress moment where they think carry into your life whenever you are faced with psychological stress so by doing these cold water bath moments. You're training your body to deal with physiological stress and therefore in your life when you are met with stressful situations you are more calm. And that's where they think. The health benefits are coming from. And that's where. I know that i didn't know that either. These studies and so they have a really cool study happening right now in the uk with nhs workers working through the trauma of the pandemic and actually like doing double blind like cold. Water dips to try and be like. Is this something that is really helping. So that is the more physiological explanation as to why getting cold water is like a preemptive way of dealing with distress that we all feel as these evolved being to go through lots of stress by going on our phones. Yeah and but you're saying they're still like some signs to be had here. Well i mean it's like it's just like whenever i read i. I guess i could buy that. But it's like dez like then. Could you not argue that for any psychological stress. Why does it need to be water shocking. You also. I don't know you also trauma go far. There's a point where stress can push you to a point that you don't recover from. Yes so. I think like that. I know there is i. Don't think for me. I'm like and maybe this is true. I don't know. And i'm just like putting thoughts out. There does exercise improve your stress response. Psychologically because obviously you're pushing your body to limit. I definitely would think it can help you learn and relate how to push through moments. I'd be curious if that's the same thing though is like having stress response from something else but people say that exercise for similar reasons is so beneficial to stress response and to depression. But i've never heard someone say in the moment of being stressed. People who exercise are better at dealing with it. Oh yeah that's true. And i think that exercise is a lot different like this is actually putting your body through it like pretty insane. Physical like instant. Yeah yeah and again. That's why i'm also a little skeptical. But all i can say is from my personal experience at me feel very high and it is quite addictive every morning. Now i have an ad breath per morning of sitting or standing in my shower and cold water and it really doesn't feel cold anymore like i'm like okay win and i'm like why the hell is the dial here. I am like during that time former here. I just think it's a. It's like a fun thing to watch your body. Sort of adopt. So even one thing that she says is really important if you feel a pain in the knuckles of your thumbs that's when you start to know you gotta because it's both army like are dangerous. Not of the shower but you mean sorry went swimming because she now swims in the in the ocean bring for twenty minutes in the winter and then if you feel your thumb knuckle starting to feel pain. Because they're in such a state of like euphoria or whatever that's when she knows to get out and for different people they have different their bodies regulated differently. But yeah like. I know what you're saying and one thing i'll say. Is that this physical stress right so like you. Obviously there's levels of psychological stress that come from physical stress right like you have to mentally under the more. You can contextualized logically. It's going to impact your physical physique. Like i could see what you were saying where it's like people who are exposed to traumatic or stressful situations. I'm assuming more mental situations aren't necessarily like gonna get better like it's not necessarily a good thing but this is a purely not a mentally damaging thing. I can like a purely physical stress response. Just something i find it interesting. It's like you're not upset. In fact you feel euphoric and you feel quite happy and proud and accomplished in doing this thing. Yeah i would imagine. I'm i'm imagining that. It's similar to a lot of other. Like extreme sports and stuff like rush people can become of addicted to those things and any sort of physical experience that intense will make you feel alive because you're so aware of your body in that moment and if not for me yeah and and if you're one of those physical sports people who like to see their bodies sort of change or even working out you want to see that maybe your muscles are bigger or that you can run further like very tangible way that your body changes quite quickly to handle this cold water so i think that could be another part of it to just people who feel like they're all being be in the water for longer cool as long as it's safe. I think there should hopefully be research onto that and understanding if it's actually you know. Are there risks associated. Obviously people who have maybe heart conditions or things. I've got is the main thing like young kids. Older elderly people and people are conditions when you google her dips and how to do it. And it's like sat up a towel. Bring warm talks like it's like if you have any of those conditions like be careful. But yeah i'm gonna go tomorrow. I'm gonna go like antero tomorrow. And i on my bike there you discuss. This is what you do. You wear your underwear new wear socks because if there is snow your bare skin on your feet could get stuck to the snow on you. Bring a towel you you jump in and also preferably ak- to if you don't want him to go their underwear to take the what under our off you dry off after you're got under a nice warm blanket even outside still in the cold because you'll notice that you don't feel that cold from the air anymore because you've just gone in cold water you dry off and you sit in it. You don't have to rush to warm up because you will feel this sort of euphoric feeling. That you're kind of like you can bask in it a bit like i went back inside after jumping in cold water and was just like naked in the house for like four hours. Like you don't feel that call and your body turns on all its heaters. It's like okay. We're warming up. Yeah your your skin's your white asking if it's me read because you're pillories are like trying to get all the blood everywhere isn't so real. Talk what do you think like. Why do you think you do it. And what do you need from it that you're not getting from other parts of your life. I am not no. I'm not trying to like. I'm just curious like so. Obviously i is literally zero appeal. And the fact that you and i get like doing a one off like i've been skydiving and it was fun and i'm like i'm never doing that again. You just told me you're gonna go tomorrow and a mike. Why because okay. So it's it's it's it's it's the after the was it was one of the best drugs. No i'm serious. I'm serious because when you do drugs there's always over feel dumb okay. But i felt everything but that didn't get hung over. I just felt like life was beautiful. Yeah i get. i guess. I've had experiences like that. I'm just like this isn't going to be one for me. It's like that's that's what i feel. Every time i get into a normal temperature pool going through coach august just like a normal house eighty degree like probably right like i'm a. I'm a type of person who i live life in a way that i'm like i want to do things like that because i'm like well alive like i. I can see how. I can justify doing things like that more easily than other people. Because i'm like. I live my life always like that like i wanna try everything and then this one happens to be addictive. I guess cold is such a hard spot for me. I don't i've always been actually. My whole family is like weird. The afraid of being called and your family is not. I feel you guys. You definitely have much colder house. Nine updates i've just been primed to always want to be like in a nice cozy space so you started to like cross country ski which is really cold dot com. But it's like when you start. It's like i'm come freezing. Aac kid like it's not that different than walking outside and winter. I like somehow colder than a regular. You handle the called. Wow i saying like for the most prepared greg. I truly wear like so many layers of clothes. When i'm going outside like look like joe even long underwear long socks. Multiple layer is like t shirts to jackets. I wear two pairs of gloves. Like when i go outside. It's a small for underneath. And then i wear and now. They're big on top whenever i do something he's like. Well it's just so hard he's taken off the phone. I'm like well. I have to take off all my gloves. My phone so is it really do. I really need to get my phone at so. You're not getting the cold water. I mean it's not to say that. I didn't even think to ask you to say not do it once but it's certainly not something i'm imagining like i would get in a hot tub girl and a second as would ask alexa. Let's say tomorrow the high temperature not. Let's go to no no no. I may come in watch you like. Have you want me to come for the journey and to make sure you don't die. You think you ever would before speaking of die you die. That's why i'm like. Maybe when i'm having an existential crisis or like midlife crisis and that's why it's like what are you nine from life but it is damaged the pandemic. What not getting from life. Do you want me to start. Eliza the top or the bottom hundreds of things to say. I don't know like physical polar dips. I ain't gonna go through some advice as well. Is there anything else you wanted to add. No no specific that's cool. That's really cool. And i do think i've slowly learned my life to push my like. I've always been sort of a verse from especially physical ways pushing myself and i don't know if that's gay trauma because i've go deeper more. I just always have associated sport and even exercise and fitness with a thing that i am not welcome to and so you know. I've been on sort of a fitness journey over the last few years especially because i have back problems and only recently have i finally been like. Oh my gosh no. I can be athletic. I can be fit. Push myself in a way and yeah. You're i always even in the gym. Just like oh but i'm weak. I'm so weakened. Eventually like my like the people. I work with us trainers right back. You're not we like you're not that weak. I know exactly what you mean like the gay resorting even though like. I think i can like strong. Just can't live or always. Like i give up not my. I'm not so weak. But i definitely oh isn't like i can't do what i can't do it. I guess you can. It's your my brain that stopping me anyway and you're like what about your straight siblings all your siblings and like do like your dad also really doesn't like cold. Yeah you know what i mean. So it's on as they that's true and but they definitely fit in fitness world more. Not that better. Like i just feel probably felt more comfortable in sports. And you're right. Maybe the called things not related to that. But i was like. I don't know why it feels like that space to me am like maybe i should push myself more in that space. Because i'm finally with exercise being like. I want to try and wait heavier than i ever thought i would be like. I'm going to push you into the cold water. You do the bag. Because i i'm the person who would have a heart attack and that's awesome. I fear no. I'm not joking when mitch. Let's go together holding hands. Go under. I come up. I'm like his limp. Oh years having heard this podcast is sponsored by better. We are therapy obsessed over here. I felt about five years ago that something fell off in my life. So i started therapy and it was honestly probably one of the best decisions i've ever made. So if you feel that something is interfering with their happiness or prevent you from achieving your goals go to better help dot com slash side note. 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So better help dot com slash side note and join over one million people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional. Okay i have some advice for winter. I didn't yeah basically. I was looking up research on just like what are some tips from psychologists like psychological tips to cope with especially this winter. Because we're gonna pandemic so it's not only just like dealing with this season that i've always called awful but i'm going to call you know unique and beautiful now. When did you stop calling awful or it just like honestly within the last couple of years. I've been like. I have to stop doing that. And i will say what has helped is being older and a not for the reasons. You think it's because time goes so fast that part of my coping mechanism is like. Oh my god like it's going to be over in the blink of an eye like when you're young winter truly feels like seventeen years and awful when you don't like winter but now i'm like no this year has gone by an it's over and it's gone so i kind of want winter to go slower. Yeah okay so. So part of the tips from like sorta psychologists touch on what you did. It's like find sort of activities and things that you can enjoy obviously right. And that's like a really important part but one of the most of significant things that stood or stuck with me when i was researching was two instead of instead of thinking about like your negative feelings. And how you can deal with them a think about what i need to look at my notes here. Sorry okay instead of trying to find individual things find a guiding principle that can tie everything together and the one that they found works the most is to focus on others so a big problem with just like in general people who deal with negative thoughts and feelings anxiety depression but i think a lot of people experienced this winter because they're isolated and lonely. Is that you focus so much on yourself like a lot of it is real game jumping in cold water on. Because you're probably self-aware being like i don't feel that happy. I'm not seeing my friends. I'm like feeling stressed that self reflection is what causes unhappiness and people. That's one part and obviously there's like diagnosed unhappiness in mental disorders. So this isn't exactly going into that area. But for people who feel generally happy and in are experiencing these moments it's like trying to focus on other people so it's called small self by psychologists and it's really cool proportionately emphasize the lives rather people as opposed to yourselves can obviously give you perspective which is hard to do right now when you're alone at home in winter oh totally yeah just like oh my god everyday like it's freezing outside. I've got to put on ten different layers. Might not seeing my friends. I man pandemic very easy to see everything in your life. And i think of the times that i've been the most unhappy in my life. It's like when you really reflecting so much on all the negative aspects of your life right so they had just had a healthy sense of proportion between your own self and the bigger picture of the world around. You is really important. So psychologists break this down into three main sort of categories to help you practically think about this so number. One is a sense of social connectedness. Obviously this one's a little harder in a pandemic but it is like people who spend time with others are happier. There's a study that they did for eighty years following like many many people and they found that those who have good relationship with their family friends and community are happier. A bigger predictor of happiness than money. I or fame consistent thing in all areas up signs video. Okay hang your friend a hard thing. Is that a lot of people i think. No then it's hard to live that. And i find that too. It's like even when intellectually i know that is true. I know if. I have a zoom call with my friend at i will feel better. It's like sometimes hard to get to that point. It's kind of like the gym. yeah. I think it's hard and a pandemic because of what you even just said this zoom thing like yeah in real life in real life in real barrier in real life to go meet a friend like zoom. It's like you don't have to leave your house to have that psychological entertainment. Yeah well that's interesting so speaking about me. Even though i'm going to practice small south but speaking about me in the real world which i know is right now in the real world is just that we're independent by the like of horror time then. It's very easy to make plans to socialize. Whereas i really do find it harder and a pandemic like i don't like not i don't like zoom calls knowing zoom call than it is in the real world to get out of my house and go do things whereas i think sometimes for you you are like it's actually harder for you to go out and do things advantage. Zoom call might be helping you know. But i really don't like zoom calls except i liked one on one sort of hanging on zoom calls but i find when the big groups. It's a lot. It's difficult to hear people. It's hard to like have natural and people. Oh yeah just just like doing one on ones with friends and reading this research i was really just like oh my gosh. Even though sometimes beforehand Like stressed i have to mentor going to do it. Totally takes you out of yourself. Yeah for sure you're just talking and laughing with a friend like it is a full distraction. What you need to find that small cell phone so even though in that case you're not like being such a great person the world and doing charity. It's just like taking you out of your self obsession. does it. Okay so now does it talk. About being charitable or okay. So the next year sense of purpose. I think that one kind of like make sense in general but studies on loneliness find the best interventions tend to focus not on decreasing loneliness but increasing people's sense of purpose. And so this can be done in a variety of ways. Obviously you can have a bigger life purpose but there are some amazing quotes of even people who are like holocaust survivors. Who were like came out saying like they were happier because they are they able to hold on because they always really had a sense of purpose of what they were trying to do. And i think people who get like do don't have that same meaning in their life. And i experienced this as well. It's what is the purpose of my life. It's hard you know. What are you doing for one. Really cute example. I saw giving out early winter. Okay well this was one that was just like you could be part of citizen science. So there's like an birding ebert. That's what i do. Yeah like just something simple. How do you kinda join a community that makes you feel like what you're contributing is for a bigger picture right something. That's not something you can just do on your own. But there's one called like kokoros. Co ceo rh us tracks rainfall people just by like one little rain tracker and then you update your info and it helps literally scientists use data all around. I think in this case. It was america. But i'm sure there's versions for the world. There's very easy bird. Ones that i do now and i always feel bad because i'm like i saw the bird is out okay. Count right and so that doesn't need to be like your purpose of your life can give you a sense of purpose. Yeah in feeling like you're part of something. Bigger and most cardinal like cardinal typing cardinal. Michael i know. I was cardinal. But when i'm like like bit like like harvard reaches out we cannot believe they're coming to you the two hands on like i don't know maybe it was a plastic bag like shit i can god okay and the last Type of sort of thing to think about when you're talking about this smaller self as a sense of inspiration. This one was linked to gratitude. Which i know is like kind of a buzzword now but but like it's like real. Yeah we often talk about. How like sometimes things can feel really basic but that's because they are sometimes like really true in and of themselves and yes people perform and it can feel really on inauthentic because there are lots of people selling products that have to do with gratitude. That are trying to them or like you buy it at like winners. Like a cursive sign. That's like i put on the wall. They're ungrateful yeah. I think that creates barriers for people to feel like. Oh it's so like trohpy to have a grad reason why there's a sign that says. I'm grateful that's being sold. So studies show that gratitude how us from stress and depression and one thing i found interesting is that when doing something like a gratitude journal. It's aids not the amount to do it so even just like once a week and it's not the amount of things right down so they found that people who write like big lists aren't getting as much from it it's really thing binding like one little thing and writing a bunch about it because you're really savoring. That's so funny. Because i haven't either and i sometimes just like you know you gotta to your gratitude line and i'll start listing things like when i i like to reflect in my journal make these crowned hoodless stock because of the same thing right. But it's no wait. Take the time. There's less stop an interesting unique like or even. He doesn't have to be unique. I am feeling really grateful like even just for this coffee. I have and let me talk about. Why feels so good. What that tasted like what that ritualistic experience of having it is to just like stopped and real. Oh my god my gratitude lists anything. There's dog over my dog in grave over my boyfriend from miami. That i can't see and then i like stop great. I feel better. And then i did. It feels better so that for me was just like some generals are interesting because they're not specific to winter but there are definitely things that would come in handy in the winter but i really think that like those things you could use at all times and even people who don't winter but i could see why it's really important in winter especially like that one about the small south is so interesting and it's one reason why i think that the holidays despite what you celebrate. There's a lot of gift giving around it. Which i think is really cool. Like yeah. it's like giving gifts is great way of knotty about just yourself. Yeah and i think people are really charitable around the holidays. Like i find. It is time timer. You would have a small south hope. Hope that's part of the during his case where you are giving bu- like which is true kind of a weird thing that happens really early on like you know. Four days after the definition of winters december twenty fifth. That's like how do you keep doing that through the harder parts. February's the january's because it's like that is really cool that there's this ritual setup to do it but then it disappears really early on. That's like christmas. Should be in the mid january. Yeah and the focus again needs to be unlike not necessarily products but like really giving people like time. We're giving to people who need it. That's i find. That is interesting. Because i think a lot of the things that i've been doing from this book which i really liked have been quite selfish. Like they're like yeah. This was to say this all sort of started by saying you know definitely focus on those those acts for yourself but to make sure you're not. They're not all in opposition. I love things that are naked. Yeah yeah i link. These are really two things like getting in the ice water or two things in tandem but one thing that she also mentioned is that she now encourages like and i'm trying to talk to friends to come and do it with me tomorrow because it is something we can do independent side so it's like sharing that even like helping be like this is what you need like bring blanco to do. We not experience warmer giving more time with friends like that's just. It's just really good to think of those. Because i think you'll be able to be grateful after. Yeah yeah. I think a lot of the time. There's this instinct it's like okay. Got the uv lamp. Because you're suffering like people in israel. Yeah i'm just saying like a lot of the ones. I was when i went to research for this. Podcast was thinking of those really tangible. Very internal things to cope but really to thrive. It's like no it's actually about giving to others and it's hard right now because we're in a pandemic to spend time with these go on walks outside or just even just call people like yeah like like. I've never known anyone. I know it's just i think phone calls are nice sometime. Actually maybe it's better than video calls whenever i got. Yeah i think so too and you can just be doing your phone down. Hold whenever my phone rings. that's my. That's my stress response. When you calling it has to be a tough market out so okay well. That was good. I mean i i'm i confidently can say that. I really like winter this year. It's usually the harder parts. Me are like january. February march march is the hardest. Because you really always expect that march that's when a turns and sometimes it doesn't and my birthday in march really hard for me. Yeah i might have a second pandemic bertha. I think you're going to have it. I think might think you're going to happen and also for me. It's like okay. Like i went cross country skiing and high park in toronto. It was so fine but you need snow. And i'm looking at in china and like a gay all of our russia without snow vibe. Going on it's grey. There is not even now. It's like you know what i mean. Sometimes these things appreciate winter with the snowfall on what happens when there's not any snow. It's actually just like cold and gross. I know how do we do it. I guess that's when it's just like even burning it's always great and the early you need the signed the caller i'm like well that's a graber. Well actually would sign. It would be beautifully. Seattle looks great for you right. Yeah you can't rely just go to like is just internal which is ending this podcast by being saad fucker again. No we can do it and like you said. I liked what you said at the beginning where it is just a form of dormancy like thinking about nature and how much of nature goes dormant in especially this part of the world. You calibrate and that's okay. I think so much of that kind of sort of normal suffering because obviously there's extreme suffering is to just be like this is just the way it is and that's okay and that's like a cycle and then when we come out of it it can be even more beautiful. We can really really appreciate things we have by going through these times of like a little bit. Podcast with oprah okay nailing it over here goo. Thanks gail. yeah. I'm yeah i'm on. Msnbc being like everyone's fucking racist. I love her. She's so just being like this world is truly fucked. And if you aren't watching on youtube you've missed it as a beautiful light display. We have behind us because it is the sun shining. And that's something to celebrate the sun. Greg space not looking to please but what do you mean i was. Smiling looks like a constipated smile. Oh yeah well. that's yeah that's all jokey anyway. I'm excited for this winter. I think we can be happy. We're going to pick all we're going to do. We're gonna grateful you'll the all the falls pick grateful call grateful the all's thank you for listening thank you for watching hashtag side puck asked if you wanna talk to us about your winter plans on instagram on tiktok where i knew to the places crawl. Thank you and excited for the new year. Let us know if you have thoughts ideas for all kinds of stuff. This is what people say on the internet. Thank you guys later.

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Checking in on the broadcast TV upfronts in the age of streaming

KCRW's Hollywood Breakdown

04:44 min | 1 year ago

Checking in on the broadcast TV upfronts in the age of streaming

"I'm Kim masters. And this is the Hollywood breakdown joining me as Matt Bellamy of the Hollywood reporter, and Matt the affronts, or in New York have been going on in New York. This is when advertisers are presented with various networks fall programming. It's, it's such an artifact in a way, you know, I used to go every year, it used to be this huge deal. What are the new shows? What are they going to be? And I'm not the only reporter I've seen on Twitter other reporters who cover TV talking about how now it just feels so so much like the certainly the broadcast networks, fall schedules are, are just this kind of diminished thing, obviously, the ratings have been drifting, drifting downward, there's still a ton of money that changes hands as a result of these presentations. But the nature of the presentations, was really different this year. Yeah. I mean you look at what Disney did they had a two hour presentation. And ABC was the very last almost an afterthought at the end. I mean these have essentially become brand plugs for these various channels network streaming services where everybody comes together in New York. And it's just a show essentially of what these content offerings are. And it's the time where all of these companies are desperately trying to create streaming services that people will pay for subscription based streaming services, and they kind of put that all aside for this week long presentation to add buyers where they say, no, no, no, what we really care about, is this twenty billion dollar ad business that they know is gigantic, but that is not the future of television. Yeah, I mean, the Disney one in particular was apparently so overwhelming. I thought that our colleague, Dan, Steinberg wrote a really hilarious. Article comparing it to a buffet at the golden chorale. Which I've never been to the golden corral for a buffet. But there were such there was so much presentation about ESPN and this and that and Disney. Plus I, you know, I think people felt like this kind of fog in a way coming out of it, because how do you even sort through it? And, and I have to say, I am looking at the cancellation of shows on various networks. I didn't even know where on in the first place. So, yes, the model is definitely changing, but the ad market is still there. It's not all doom and gloom people made a joke. You know, this is networks, circling, the drain, or writing the Titanic or pick your metaphor. But this is still a twenty billion dollar business. It is still the numbers are either flat or slightly going up because in this environment where there is so much brand pollution online with these digital networks YouTube. You don't know if you're at is going to run next to Nazi propaganda or inappropriate content. You have in television, a very safe environment still and people are willing to pay. For that. And increasingly they're paying more for that audience, because you can't find it. Elsewhere, even at diminished levels, there was some other news that came out of this, you know, Disney in the middle of it said, we are basically taking control of Hulu Comcast, eventually selling us their stake. It's a complicated deal. But going forward, Disney is running Hulu and that creates another place where Disney will stream content. And there was also kind of apparently attempts breakfast. You know, CBS has long had this bacon and egg breakfast is always one of the highlights of the up fronts, and Leslie Moonves used to come in chat up the reporters every year in the reporters always liked it because he was very personable and people had no idea of the kind of behavior. He had been alleged to have engaged in this year. Kelly, call took over, you know, he was a longtime person who has set the schedule in his now part of setting the, you know, picking up shows, and, you know, there were questions about bull, which is this show where the star, Michael Weatherly was alleged to have harassed? One of his female, his female co-star allies, a dish coup. She ended up being written out of the show. He asked about that. Kelly, call basically said, we think that Michael Weatherly learned from this experience, and I guess it got kind of tense on. I can understand why, you know, Steven Spielberg's Amblin has dropped it's up. It's piece of the show wants nothing to do with it at this point. You know, and you sort of say, okay, he learned a lesson. But meanwhile, she was still written out of the show and CBS. This comes with the culture at CBS that has seen repeated problems. The message to other stars on CBS if you're abusive all you have to do is apologize. We'll move on. Yeah. That seems a little bit lagging behind where we thought we were with the times up movement. Thank you, Matt, thank you. That's Matt Bellamy editorial director of the Hollywood reporter he joins me this Monday at one thirty on the business. I'm Kim masters. And this is the Hollywood breakdown.

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Friday, September 14th, 2018 with Daryn Carp

The Morning Toast

1:21:15 hr | 2 years ago

Friday, September 14th, 2018 with Daryn Carp

"Good morning millennials, happy Friday. We made it here only in a strange twist of events. Thanks to hurricane Florence. We are now joined by Darren carp, sorry for the delay. But Darren is a busy woman. I am so sorry for the delay, politics is cloudy was texting me yesterday. It was like, I can't get out of this thing. I was actually doing Avihou record for my new auto trader commercial which is coming out. I think in the next two weeks, I don't think you understand how much I love your auditory, how much Zach loves your pets? That's second care about you ever came on the show when it was the old show. Then I told you were coming from the auto Twitter rehearsals. He was shook. He was like, you have to ask her about the commercial like he thinks it's so good. And so do I. That's amazing. And they're also good. Can you give us like a little story ward for this next one? This next one is definitely me teasing and the a lot more and I think it's the funnier I've been at this will be my third one, and I think it's the funniest of them. There's sculptures involve. I'll put it that way. It's very good. I'm so excited and for anyone who like first time watching the toast and doesn't know who you are not in tune with what's necessary, but is about to be please your bio. My name is Darren carp. You can follow me on social media at her. Darren, I host Martinez murder on oxygen. I do Bravo. TV dot com web series. But my most important main role is I'm Antiguans assistant at Bravo. So I, I have a little Bravo gossip and all the time has gone. You're so good at telling us a lot and feeling like we're in the no, but also like being professional, keeping your job. And that's the hardest part of jar, I'm sure. Yeah, I like can't get into trouble. So I told the light doesn't go on notice. I just want you to know because they don't keep it juic- and also like, you know, the the people upstairs are happy. I'm trying to give the people what they want to know Jackie. He lar- if anyone's going to get out of you, it's the morning toast. And then tha that always the morning toast. So we are so happy that you're here. We have a great show for you today. Anyone who was affected by hurricane Florence right now, we are thinking of you who, sorry, stay safe if you're traveling, stay safe. And I mean, Claudia is. She was rerouted. She had to move for whole trip because going to Puerto Rico right now, like doesn't make a lot of sense, correctness. You want to stay indoors and like hunker down. That doesn't seem like a Claudia thing to want to do it. No, it doesn't seem like vacation, like might as well stay here in hunker down by the way. Can I just say major foam about camp toast? It looked so fun. It was so let it would've loved it. Do you ever go to camp? Yeah, I went to camp when I was like, okay, like there was some people would like there's two people. There's two types of people in this world, right people who went to camp and just want more camp in their life to people who have never really experienced camp who like can't even wrap their heads around what it actually what it is and like that level of just like fun camaraderie that you don't have anywhere else in this world other than color war and not. I don't be in this way, but like color wars are so fun like red Rover and capture the flag like that's what camp is all about in major follow for Keller was like really intense. Like I like have PTSD. I'd like I look back on and I'm like, like hits Ville and like my team technically lost. But I think we had more. Fun. That's really what's really like when I'm in charge like I really try to like just keep everyone happy like no one has to play. They don't wanna play like I, it's very hard to toe the line of like you'd have to win, but I don't want people like to be comfortable. Were there any men there? Yes. There were three men. They added so much value. Of course, they did. They only God, they were amazing, and they were also so good at like, capture the flag and great quality had two of them on her team and like that was live on there, but it's fine is it seems like you're really athletic. I am. I played soccer English of my life. If you come to campus team, you're on mighty done. We don't even need Eddie met. I, I'm going to be like the resident man on your team, Jackie and not wait. Yes, strength of three men over here. We're actually in the process of planning camped host to now like it's in a while won't be till Morial day weekend. Okay. So we're just so excited that we just want to have everything in place, let everyone like no one it is planned to get their tickets and just like then have six months or can't count, but however long they look forward to it. Do we know where is next year? It's in the same place name? Exactly. Poconos. Which was perfect. Perfect. And like, oh my God, it was just so fun and you have to come out of it. Obviously. Anyways, without further ado, we are going to get into the best five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast. And then we're going to just do CUNY with Darrin talk about all things. Bravo. Everything that's airing right now. Everything that's happened since you were last here. Right? And we're just going to get like the total team Carol. Can't I can't I shed? It's just it's also we'll get to it. Okay. Our first story and also you know what? Not a lot of celebrity news happened yesterday and I'm grateful because now we can talk about some real stuff. Yeah. Let's Kinjo like the hard news, Jackie. We're getting into hard news. We're getting into whether we're getting into a little bit of politics today just because the Cynthia Nixon of it all we have some crossover fair. Okay. Okay. Like a popcorn actually getting into synthetic this news and some Legal News. Whoa. Okay. Okay. Guys, gird your loins, it's actually going to be really, really heavy for Friday. I up hurricane Florence makes landfall as torrential rains battered the coast hurricane floorings made landfall Friday morning, just east of Wilmington, North Carolina, where brought a life threatening storm surge that pushed water inland for miles pounding rains and powerful winds battered buildings in its path. The category one hurricane with a MAC with maximum winds of ninety miles per hour and dumping three inches of rain in our need landfall at seven, fifteen AM near rights still beach according to the National Hurricane Center more than sixty. People had to be pulled from collapsing motel at the height of the storm and many more who were who defied evacuation orders were hoping to be rescued. The powerful storm inundated coastal streets and left tens of thousands without power. Forecasters said, quote, catastrophic freshwater flooding was expected along waterways from far from the coast of the Carolinas. This is so so crazy and just hope everyone while the animals are. Okay. Well, that's always the hardest. I mean, grin. Granted, yes, people like I don't want anything to happen, but just there's something there was just as helpless. There's so innocent and watching them, you know, those commercials where it's like, if you give fifty cents a day or whatever, you can watch the animal cents a day to go to college. Right. Exactly. Like Doug can eat for week. I can't watch the the animal ones. I could watch the human ones, right? I'm like, that is sad, but actually know the animal ones. I feel like we're at a point now where they're just like they're so overdone where little dramatic when they show them like in the cages and being skin like that, I can. I can't. And the dog meat festival can do. But I thought they were gonna hit like thirty inches of rain, thirty two and a half feet of rain. As you say in the Carolinas, I don't think we're filming southern charm yet, so thank God so true. SO trip because I'm pretty sure that my, that the show runner who was like my very good friend had to evacuate. And I think she's in Georgia right now. I kind of waiting out the storm before we even start to film. So I, yeah, I guess we're like just they usually start filming in the fall. Everyone has their riding boots out in their their Patagonia best rate of everyone has to have a Patagonia. I almost went today out to be customer if you don't have any best a barber jacket, Louis, Vuitton, luggage, and writing moods. Oh, I was going to say in boat shoes. I feel like that's also for the men for the bathroom and Anna custom pillow by Craig that is now the criteria which Andy has his office and I love. It's like my favorite piece of pop culture art that Andy has like crabs on it. And that's your favorite thing like more than than bunny yet, even more, but now the bunny has a ball gag on it. So it really fits my. Yeah, I really like arc turn the last reunion, the ball, gag. I mean, watching a baby toy, have the most sexual visceral sexual toy that you can imagine on it in on my bosses said is great. Yeah, that's Bravo. Anyway. Ways. This hurricane, I hope a lot of people evacuated I saw last night that somewhat that people were encouraging other people to write their name and their phone number on the belly of their dogs so that if they do get loss, when I, I thought I was like, who's branding these dogs right? Then I was like, oh, that actually makes a lot of sense. Like if a dog is wandering total, I guess it could also just have the tag but or collar or looks. A lot of people do those GPS chips now which is actually very smart young for your animal, but like it's just what do you mean if you're told to evacuate, even if you're told to evacuate your apartment in Manhattan, what would you? What do you take? Would you take? What are the three things you grab? Let's say you five may have five minutes, you five minutes. What are you grabbing? I feel like in five minutes, I don't grab out at any. I wouldn't. I wouldn't grab anything. I would just run if it's really that dire. There's nothing like that import actually. Would you grab Zack if you sleeping? Okay. Yeah, come on anything of anything that I have. It's like really like sentimental that that cramping were placed, right. I mean, something of value, but that could just be inherent value or it could be like a childhood heirloom, right? Whatever you're think. Maybe I should like put on my Sunday Bess and just walk and would be like dressed to the nines. Nothing all my person. My shoes, I. Persons in person purses, but it's like, yeah, I would be closed though yet, let me close to well, I don't really have a photo album in my apartment. My house got end sack always makes me like I really don't have any pictures in the apartment yet, like I mean, move like six months ago, but he's such a photos person and I'm like, not not if I mean actually am photos person, but that's not not a photo framers. I don't know. It's just like I feel like you acquire this over time. You don't like set out. I'm going to do my picture frames because then it's all going to be from like one time period. I want to grow that collection everytime gifts a photo, a nice frames to a mere photo booth at a wedding and looking good -actly couple. Yeah. I'd probably take books like books that meant a lot to me that I've had since forever. I have like a couple of first additions on my favorite novels. I take that. Does that make me lay? No, that's actually a way better answer than most people would get like, because anything that's like materials material, what books are technically material items, but they have so much meaning bright, the much meeting. Yeah, not unlike an e book. I read actual books that that's actually a really good answer here. Good person. Thank you. I would also just bring something toiletries and essentials like, moisturizer, toothbrush, toothbrush, he key. Got your. I mean, as we know your breath has to be fresh, right? As you know, it really does. The only thing I could really make it worth except my breath is like number fresh because I'm always on a diet, but is that true? Like if you're not eating like if you don't, if you're trying to diet, why do you have bad breakfast blows acidity in the stomach. There's two things one for people that go on like Kito going into Kito or Atkins, which is what I do. Most of the time going into Kito says like, gives you bad breath. It's like. Thing like just because of the city goals? Yeah, or the things that you're eating like, okay, they're not like you're eating tuna fish cheese. Well, right. Not a recipe for success. And then I think for people who are dieting, it's almost like if you go for like hours without eating, it's like your bread, your bread tastes stale. Almost like when you wake up in the morning and it's been twelve hours or ten hours since he lost thirteen. How neat figuring? Okay, fair. So gum gum helps to sh- listerine strips Atkins's new car echinacea carbs. Kito was like Atkins rebranded. I guess I Atkins has a bad rap. And now people just say Kito, but it's really the same thing. What does it mean when paleo. Oh, I don't. I mean, we're really going off on yet, but like I just figure like fruits, vegetables and like act. Maybe paleo has a lot of fruits, more fruits and vegetables with Atkins like technically fruits fruits. Have a lot of carbs, rain, bananas, a car, right? So you really don't eat fruit on Kito where Atkins any some vegetables, but like not a lot. They also have carbs in those are the car. The only cards you should be eating in the day like you got twenty carbs a day during when you start out when you're being like really good, and that's really for like lettuce and vegetables and things that you need to like e. Got it. Do you have a cheat day? I have like a cheat month week, like I'm always off and on. But now I've restarted since camp toast and I'm really trying to like do a hard month hardcore. Okay. Like before from Campos and Labor Day before it, I was like terrible. So I don't ever feel like deprived because when I'm not on it, I eat everything. What everything, tiny. Oh, my got. No, I literally have the biggest appetite and then it's like, because sometimes I'm so good in life. It's like, oh, well, if I don't eat this now I'm never going to have chance to. So I don't. I don't feel like a deprived person because I really indulge when I indulge right. You can't even have toast on Atkins now you cannot. Okay. So we're going to have to rebrand the entire show right this well, actually, or I could just have a drink, right. Okay. Yeah. The morning drink about key. Does that most alcohol has no carbs, like vodka to kill. You could literally drink as much as you want. Wine has like a carbon, super glass, but like that's not going to kill. Yeah, it's like the sugar. The alley gets it. It's not like game like you don't have to stop drinking. Yeah, that's. That's fair. That's why Cheech Cheech. Yeah. She's always like tequila soda tequila soda yen that one zero carbs like she could technically drink as much as you want. Yeah, she does my friend. She says, hi TI, hyg anyways. So this hurricane is blowing through. I just hope that it's like the. The best it could be given dire circumstances. You don't know totally how everything's going to land. I'm hopeful that they gave enough warning for people to evacuate because I feel like we've known about this at least for a week now. Yeah, but a lot of people don't evacuate and on one hand to kind of understand that because you're like, I'm going to hunker down in my house. This is where I'm comfortable. This is Ryan have the other part of me is like your life is more important than anything else, and you don't wanna be eft like at the end of the day when it hits and you can't board of your windows, what are you two wing like, get out now. Just say it's like whether in your house or not. Your house is still going to. You can't save your house. You can't. Mean down, like it's coming down whether you're in it, or you evacuated. Yeah, and it's also probably a good idea. Never to buy property on water. Like as a general rule, what that it's so beautiful. I agree rent property, never owned property on water. It's just not a financial Stonehaven insurance, which is astronomical. And even when you do like, yeah, of course it has to be. It has to be astronaut Michael, because when that happens like you have to pay all these high premiums because then everything is going to get completely wiped out. So and then you rebuild and it happens again. So it's it's just not a financially sound investment. If we're getting deep on Friday, sometimes insurance companies can fuck you like in now you see me and then you have to have a group of magicians to come and steal all your money back. A group of magicians do that. Yes, you see. Now you see me, especially everyone was Katrina insurance, and so they took all of his money, but it's like that that happens. That's a thing that occurred. Okay. But what about property on the water in not hurricane impacted areas as Kazan New York. We don't see a lot of hurricanes as aside from sandy right of it's a rarity. You would you recommend him missing in waterfront properties in New York? I mean, yeah, I would definitely like tins that's a good investment. It's agreed investment. But when something like during sandy, I don't know how those properties manage like I just I just I just find that it's probably better to rent. So that way you're not responsible for any of the heirlooms or damage that gets your main property should never be waterfront property. Okay. Just I know you're going to, you're going to buy me a waterfront property right? Getting about it. And now I have changed my hands just like, yeah, we could go inland a little. Get me something else. You know what I mean? Like think about something else. We had this conversation that would be to total ways it would really would be also is crazy. How last year southern terms of that was filming during the hurricane? Yes, and like seeing them all back, you wait. That was so crazy because very scary, Amir, not feeling right now, are they? It doesn't seem right. I don't just rink. So no, I don't think so. I don't think southern original Charleston has started yet. Thank God. I'm so ready for it though. Like there's been so much off season drama. There's a lot going on and like ashes, not good drama either, but ashey Jacobs has been China from this show, which I don't. You know, means we no longer speak about her because it's just too annoying. Yes, she's listed, right? That's what happened with China. Like we could no longer just talk about enter anymore is like during the Robin China when she showed us her vagina before noon, and we were just like we were talking about it every single day and we're like, it's just we reach peak China, right? So they'll more no more China so than anyone else after that who was getting like that we now they are China, so actually Jacobs has been shot. Okay. But I've been seeing like conflicting things from all these, like fake news sites. I don't know what to believe, but either Hearn Thomas have broken up for their engaged, what those are, the two options to options, but it kind of makes perfect right then. When watching the show this season, it's like, wow, they either need to break up or getting each right. It's an now. It's been like eight months since that. So I hope they either broke up and guarding me. What do you hope happens. Happens on for the sake of the show. Okay. Well, actually, no, it's I'm conflicted because we're via the show. I hope they got engaged for the sake of Catherine. I hope they broke up because she has to see that woman ever given everything that's going on like legally with Thomas. I think Katherine could get full custody in which case, Thomas dates who ever heat choose a honestly about the kids for me like I want Catherine to be a very good healthy position, but like and Thomas and Ashley aren't even going to be on the show anyway. No, so I don't give who what they do. No, I don't. I mean, I don't as long as there's no endangerment to the children then go be your rails, whatever you want to go do go by waterfront property for all. I care holy. No. So if they're going to gonna show, I don't give what they do. Hence the China of eighteen we're now we're officially trying. She's of China yet. Anyways, we're gonna get to all Bravo Steph. Once we get through the news of the day, the second story is really sort of wild. Julie Chen returns to big brother saying, quote, I'm Julie, Chen moon, which you don't think is a big deal. But Julie Chen host brother. Every night. She signs off from outside the big brother house. I'm Julie Chen and last night after everything that's happened with Leslie moon Bez. She said from outside the big brother house, I'm Julie, Chen, moon viz, good night. That's big. That's big. That is a statement that she is. She has drawn the line in the sand and she's known as Julie Chen, like no one ever has said, I've never even heard her referred to as MRs moon Bez or Julie Chen moon Moonves ever in my entire television career. So for her to kind of say that she's standing by her man. She is standing by her man, which is just like, this might not be the time like maybe Julie Chen moon vez when he's at the top of the world and like the head of CBS now. So she's sticking by him. I don't. I mean, I think that's what he's trying to get my attention in the comments she doing not hear Claudia. Okay. Kuadio. What do you want me to see like litter? I'm scrolling because she keep saying attention attention would it was better than good this better? Can you not hear me? Did I do something? No, we'll see. Okay. We'll see those now that I'm looking, but anyways and cloudy like Julie Chen Moonves like we, this is important stuff interrupting his call. You like you're not here like we don't. You know what I mean? Like I'm taking over today. Not totally come on. Nobody. Like I really hope whatever. I'm like, I've stalled the show now for is is good. I hope it's just really fun. Emoji pattern. There's a text, read comments, look at YouTube. I. Oh my God. This is so now she's no deliberately sabotaging, you know, but it's like I'm gonna make reading. And by the there is a sort delay. But like financial, she knows who she knows that we're looking at her, oh my God, I can't. Okay. I really can't like Julie. Julie Chen visit at all. Like we have things to get to. There's a lot of things to say though about this because it's like not to get a little deep, but like Hillary Clinton stuck by Bill Clinton when the whole Monica Lewinsky thing came out right, and now it's metoo to it's twenty thirty years later. So it feels like different when you stand by your man. You know what I mean? Like there's different stigmas buy it and listen. They've had a very long relationship. I'm sure that they're very happy together for her to stick by him. You know, says to me a lot about how she feels about the allegations, but I'm very hesitant to sort of judge her for sticking by him or saying no to him either way because there's so much details in a marriage that no one. Really not a marriage plus a business relationship. Like right also her boss and like she wrote, she rose the ranks. You guys like she's hosting big brother, which I don't watch, but millions of people on my mom's obsessed with it and really sit through it for an entire week. She was like, we're watching it tonight. You enjoy, will you know what I can kind of get into any TV show as long as I commit to it, I did enjoy it. I mean, I wash it when it first came out. I was young, so I don't even know how long ago that was fifteen years ago. I did enjoy. It's interesting to see the characters. Well, there character traits, the people that are on the show because they're not playing their part. They're playing themselves anything at a certain point. You can like try and be good for TV. But when you're on the live feed twenty seven like you will actually interested yourself like or else you're going to call it the lie, you're just going to be like, oh yeah, I'm left handed. I'm right handed, right? I'm gonna. Keep this trend going. I don't understand how you win because they don't understand any play the game. Do you make everyone like you or do you make only certain people like you? I guess I just don't know how to win. Right, and none of them do. It's like just. Timing lock and right luck of the draw like what's going to happen this week, and that's it. Right? Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of nuances. I was just like, okay, let me just see all these people interact. Interesting audio. This is okay. So you don't use one that I have a sick show which I do because they're new and to she's doing the Lord's work. Okay. She caught you on that like Ramona too, but they are. I'm not pretending like they're not new, but I'm not China return them. So let's see both ever have. Ever have my shoes, you're old. Got him. Well, nice and too, she can't get less than both stuck out of her head. She said she was packing something for two to three hours and all she could think is less. And I have to be honest like the so did. I was like, laying in bed. It's a name just has like rhythm to it. Let's mood business move. Yeah, it's like a band. Yeah. Like Leslie, Moonves. But I, I mean, yes, you can't judge someone for sticking by their man, but we were talking about this before the show, and like I feel like most women in this situation, they initially distanced some distance themselves. And then when it dies down, they get. They turns out they never got divorced in there together for Gina chime in Harvey Weinstein. I don't know where they're at now, and I don't think things will ever die down with Harvey Weinstein, so I can't really over for them if she ever if she wants her career and like I was shopping for dresses and marquess was very much there and very much new. So she does want a career, right? So she'll she has to separate herself from from the big harby will. Yeah. And I guess Julie Chen Moonves is taking the opposite approach, and maybe it just makes sense to kind of in. In their marriage. Let's see how the, what see where the dominos fall here. And let's wait until everything happens in that we can kind of decide what to do with their marriage. We don't know what's happening behind closed doors and we don't know what she believes or what she heard or what's chew or what's not. So I'm just kinda like taking a step back and hoping Julie achieve seems like such a competent, smart, funny capable woman. I don't know her like truly every time I have ever seen or met her. She has been nothing but utterly professional and seems like honestly, like a lovely woman I have. I've never heard anything really met her. I've met her. She's been on the show. I've never had anything. I've never heard anything bad about her, but so I don't know what happens behind closed doors. I can only imagine she's smart enough to make the right decision for her. I understand very PC answer very PC Hanser and you know what? I don't really watch a lot of stuff on CBS. So yeah, me neither. I don't really know these people and it doesn't affect my life. But if exiting the top stories of the day. Effecting my phone notifications. All I got left invest less than less move as well. And like Jeff Fager from sixty minutes at CBS now is out to CBS itself as having a lot of issues right now. Yeah. Okay. Everyone I'm done. Looking at the comments off my show. Les Moonves as has been said. Now if you drank every time we said, let's move is like w great drinking go to the hospital. You already did you already died. Sorry, just like his career, but one more nice Jackie lesson invest. Yeah, you never know when that's gonna come up again. Right? Exactly. Anyways, our third story a little political news. Cynthia Nixon, it's political. It's it's sex in the city. It's pop culture. Local is Cynthia Nixon loses democratic primary for New York governor. The results of New York's democratic primary are in Cynthia. Nixon has lost to the sitting governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo around ten forty, five pm eastern time, two hours after the polls. Close Nixon emerged at a Mediterranean lounge in Brooklyn as Jay z song Empire State of mind played addressing her supporters, Nixon said. While the result tonight is was not what we hope for. I'm not discouraged. I'm inspired and I hope you are too. She ended her speech by saying by thinking voters for believing in fighting and leaving everything in the field. We started something in New York, and it doesn't end today. This is just the beginning, and I know that together we will win this fight. Well, you know what? Graceful her for running and like, yes, this was her first Time Inc. she's running for a big office, says her first betting city into the political arena. So like she's got, like I feel like there's always next year for her door next or next gubernatorial or she could spend the time between now and the next governor race. I really building up her her resume in the political sphere, and it's hard going again, someone who's already had the position and probably already has the funding already has a lot of Yang's like I think I was going to ask you if you thought that the cinnamon raisin bagel with locks really affected her with cheating that, yes, you should. She ordered like cinnamon raisin bagel, and she was like, I'll have locks onions, tomatoes, Capers, which to be fair. I like sweet salty combo. So I knew what she was kind of trying to do even though when you. Have locks on your vehicle. It really should be an everything bagel or sesame, or at least just poppy seed. But as a Jew, I have very strong opinions about this, but that was like the major story that came out three days ago. They were like a gas. I can't have Tara though. They people went out really outraged that's outrageous because like both things are so going j just like, shouldn't be eaten together late. Oh my God, chicken wings and ice cream. And and you know, what is someone who's trying to like be represent the the representation for New York, like you do not represent New York. If you're getting us in like New Yorkers are so bagel crazy and like bagels. Hello. Right. And it's like honestly, like she's like with that order, she said, like, I, I'm not a New Yorker. I'm not a Jew is what she said, which I was like, I'm not a New Yorker, and she's not a juice late. I don't expect her to be like a new, like even if she just got like a toasted everything bagel with like some CHAI cream cheese doubly that no one would judge. You just wonder. Like how many people were like? I can't vote for this woman's clearly unhinged. I can't vote for her now because she had a cinnamon raisin bagel with locks. That was the number one story I saw about her and it was like, oh, dear. God, one hundred win. It's hard. She's an actress. I feel like we all really got behind her. It was a very interesting race to watch simply because a she was in sex in the city which is literally arguably the most New York. You male Centric show. Right, right, right. But like so, she's definitely like rep like a New Yorker. She's a New Yorker. I think we, I saw her campaigning on the streets like three months ago all the time everywhere, but like that does not a governor make correct. I think you have to end funding need funding, right? Like you just have to have the money to do it. I need experience. So maybe this wasn't her year, but like if she's like passionate about this and she has good ideas and then you know what patience is a virtue is and stick with it. And a lotta times it takes a bunch of rejections before you get that one and then it'll be worth it. And you know more. No, how to campaign. So I mean, listen, she probably did really well for first time. Yeah, I it sound like she got three votes, right? I wanted to see, but the votes were, but I couldn't even see. But anyways, I'm here for it like a little celebrity in the New York the year and wants to run for mayor against Bill de Blasio. I think you're all for that. You have my vote. Okay. And he just which the thing is my vote. Yes. You're not a fan of two walls. You know, we were just talking about this like just the city is being like, you step outside your apartment, and it's just like the city is being run into the ground so many different levels. I don't even know where to start and like I always want to start with the traffic like I literally thought I was going to throw up when I got here this morning. I was so queasy and because a lot of stop start stop start. And it's just like these. These made up rules. Right? Can't turn here why I can turn here. Like I know that I can make a right here. Making me go to a different street. It's just adding congestion to that one St. and like, why do we have streets? If you're not allowed to turn, you know, you have to be like a complete square in order to make that left turn. I'm like, just let me turn left like I'm as long as running over pedestrian right, let me drive. No. And so that's just one element and the city. It's just it's not good. I was walking down the street and like a swinging neighborhood last night and it's meld so bad. Like foul, really, we'll cloud the garbage on the street, right? I smelled way more weed than I do garbage you. I feel like weed is everywhere now it's, it's the perfume of New York City. Oh, wow. That's so interesting. I feel like I just don't hang out in like as cool of places where like I hang out in like weenie area where it's just like a high swank and I'm with like an low like degenerates of New York. I know we were talking about the other day and you are the woman. Put in the recommendation that fascinating needs to run for mayor that would be a shoot, certainly would have the funding for that. Have the funding she would have. She has the the community management skills like because she has skills. She did Puerto Rico. I think that's like she has a humanitarian philanthropy aspect of route ninety. I just feel like running a city. It's like, yes, you need like political knowledge, but especially for New York City one, you need to be New Yorker and to you need to just know how to like run shit. Like I can't explain it like running a big company is similar. Like this city is a big business and she's a strong woman. The only thing I would think I would worry about that politics aside is Brig. She doesn't really come out a lot about Brennan and when you're in politics on like anything else. Yeah, one in they dive into every Siri things, so I worry about it. I mean, not if she's, I mean, I I wouldn't say never say never. Who knows? I've never heard her necessarily interested in politics who knows though, you know that like people want change, but I just worry about Brin being in the spotlight, especially she grows older, right? Nothing he's running for office of any sort like it's going to be bad. Yeah, and it would all be out there and all the chase and stuff and everything, and it would be messy and it should definitely be sacrificing herself on on the on the ark of New Yorkers. Yeah. What about care was you will running, would you have have? I wouldn't move you literally just gave me that same dirty look as unlike two times ago when I was on we really team Carolina. I think it was daggers right here to me Jackie. Like that's how it was. And I, you're the nicest person. I know. So now I feel like I hate me. Great. I love you, and I know your team Bethany now, and that's all that matters. Right? You should use your mind now. Right? If that, like Carol, I mean. She's reporter. She's smart. You know, she had her hand in political things. I'm just thinking out there as an idea. I never even heard her talk about it, but you are not for not here. Not here. I would rather have. Yeah, rotten for mayor she did to that town how she can do for the city. We can trying to starting a month thirty two k I love the politics that are happening and you're right. Yeah, I wanna see. Jackie O's political world like sim city, but your. It's only fun with New York for me because I feel like I really understand the city and like I'm definitely very green and like very. Young and I to learn, but like let's see where I'm at in twenty years running. Yeah, let's let's see the morning toasts in your twenty. Let's see. Well, right. I'm here for it. I go. I'm taking notes now. I feel like. I feel like I don't know. It's a lot on my plate and I get really stressed out, but we'll see. We'll see. Maybe the city will need you by then, but w I think Bethany would be great. I think Andy would be great. I mean, what he's done for the west village, my God trash street. I know he's always like, I'm basically the mayor and he's the mayor of Jane treat for short one hundred percent and he's made videos. And so many articles came out the next day, like Andy Cohen running for office, and it was like, if Andy runs for office, this will be the best thing ever did. Not that far fetched. Like really, it isn't it'd be to get in. I don't think he wants to be in the political world because it is so much dirty asset. It's so much nastier that anything that could ever happen on television. It is a nasty place, no matter what side you lie on. But I do like him kind of being this like street local authority on the trash and cleaning buildings. I always want him to be like, can you come to my area where I live? Because I've got some grievance grievances, like construction happening all the time he gets. He gets shit done. You can Jez honestly here for it really just here. For anything just to change. Gotta shake it up. Chicago starring Bella Thorne zendaya. Okay. This next story is like really crazy fitness bike maker peleton accuses rival flywheel of stealing. It's technology peleton interactive Inc. The maker of popular at home. Fitness bikes is suing flywheel sports for allegedly stealing the technology that pipe cycling classes intrigues home the latest sign in the intensifying competition for boutique, fitness systems peleton claims in the lawsuit filed Wednesday and US district court martial in Texas that flywheel known for its brick and mortar studio classes created a copycat of peleton's bike using the company's proprietary patents. The fly anywhere bike peleton claims uses the same technology to display live and archived cycling classes. Truck rider performance and compare at home writers performance to others. Like I know this is about flywheel in peleton reading this. I can't help, but think about instruments, not chat, like how can peleton Slough fly we own, but Snapchat can't sue Instagram for stealing their entire idea. Well, this is where it kind of becomes not to get shark tank, but this is where it becomes really difficult because in that article, you said that there's proprietary technology that they have a patent for she'll peleton and I don't know the answer to the peleton had patented a certain way to view classes and a certain way to view your instructor instructor like they can sue anybody. And that could just be like forward-facing screen. And right slide comes onto show you what? Jackie's biking at it. When I'm biking at then they can if there is a patent for that, it seems kind of weird to have. There's so many different patents. He lacked shark tank community for anything, and that's really just how you make your money. It's not even on your product is good. It's just totally, and they pay you in lawsuit, and now you're a company and that's and that's unfortunate, right? Because I also feel like it stifles innovation when you have so many patents. It's like, you can't like a certain high heel. You know what I mean? Like your cycling innovation. However, it's a good point of like why Instagram, like there's there's so many online classes, like if you look up YouTube, you could probably just type in like peleton class. Right, and get it. Right, right. So with technology like that internet classes, I don't really know like how original proprietary is yet. I just feel like the separation should be in the instructor. You know what I mean? Like if you love certain soul cycle struck instructor, you're going to go to her go into like a peleton class, and maybe the types of workouts that you do should vary it, but it's really hard to say like, you know how many out homework out things or they're like, I work out at home all the time. I've used like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. Right? I'm in TVD's. This goes back to the eighties. Aerobics is Kim Kardashian booty, Kenya Moore. Favor parks with Rilo donkey booty, right? Yeah, exactly. Like it's really hard to tell us all this time. It really is a tale is all this. It's very beating the beast. So I'm curious to see what they patented and how they could get away with it and what the ruling is because I feel like this will be like, this will set a precedent, you know, right? Because one way or the other, because what if it's like a boxing like peleton but in boxing. So if you have to buy like a bag and then there's like technology and that where you can look at the, you know, it says, like you're punching speed. What is the difference between peleton and that like is it just a different type of workout? I don't know. And also, technically flywheel was the one who started competitive cycling where. Yeah, that's the first thing I heard about. Right. So so peleton did this at home instructor cycling where you also are competitive or you get you feel like you're in a class, right? But flywheel started the competitive leaderboards class. Totally seems so fucking stressful. I've never been to also do that in Seoul cycle. So. The every man for himself. I don't know how I don't even know like what my resistance is against someone else's. Like I'm focused on myself and they don't have a leaderboard ranting. Okay. Okay. So yet that stresses me. So like it goes both ways that trust me, they seem. I mean, I'm curious to see what the ruling will be. Yeah, me too. I wonder how what they could have possibly patented is about. And like just the Shannon, mid door of it, all on her peleton bike that David got for her and then took back. Which is like you literally called her fat every single day, right? You know, you want her to work out and then you take it back, but also not everyone can afford a pedal bike, like a couple of thousands of dollars. So it's weird that they would be suing each like almost like they should go into a partnership like you want brick and mortar. You wanna go classes, go to flywheel, but if you want to work out at home and you want to do that, they should incorporate themselves right other right, less less Moonves to me. Yeah, there's less money there is much less move as drink or die. Yeah. Okay. Ready. I'm here for it. We'll keep you posted on the legal updates szrious. And this next story is exciting. Interesting. Just level it'll branding merger news. Okay. Hershey's vise, pirate's booty to double down on healthy snacks. Hershey's is increasing its bed on healthy food. The chocolate maker announced on Wednesday that has agreed to acquire pirate brands which makes pirate booty, smart puffs and original tings in order to expand its healthier snacks. Portfolio BMG foods will sell the speed of snacks for four hundred and twenty million dollars about good for them. I remember when I was eating hired foodie like out in the streets because he always had to eat healthy snacks growing up. And then I saw like instarem magazine like there was like a product placement, like, I don't know, Greenwich pouch, or one of those videos eating pirate's booty with their kids. And I was like, am I Couldn't Spell you really? I'm so Paltrow right now though, does it taste LT? That's why like it. I love pirates. It's show delicious. You're like, I don't. I'm glad that it's healthy because smart food popcorn, although is like so good. I probably know it's terrible for you. So I love pirate's booty and what it did. I could eat like five bags of those. In one sitting me to like even when I'm being healthy, that's like my my cheap snap with it. I don't even feel bad. Yeah, you know what? We've also been eating a lot of recently getting popcorn, very good like it. The portion size bags, the portions of the bags come in are very good. They're not like too small. They're not too big. Yup. And I feel like I had a normal serving of Cup. Have you ever had quest protein chips quest? Yeah, they make a lot of protein for like working out quest. I've seen the yes really make these protein chips. I don't even know where you can get on line. One of my friends gave him to me and they're like very light. They're not even made out of chips and the entire bag is like forty percent protein for your day. It's insane and it's not like you're eating like fried potatoes baked in the way that it pops up and it's delicious and light. And I think you'd probably like it. I don't know if there's like some anti Ines thing in there, but you should at least check it out. I love hanging out percent of your protein. That's interesting. I need more protein like I'm cramping up left and right, and I've bruise as so easily. Oh, I got crazy bruises from camp toast. They were so weird. We were like it porcelain skin. The most intense looking versus I've ever had, but they don't hurt to the touch. Isn't that weird? That is weird. It's just like, I don't. I need more iron toasters really like killed you. Yeah, it was technically Claudia. That almost killed. She gets competitive. Yeah, she gets Chuck competitive, golf cart drive on anyways. I think this is really exciting, good for pirates medium you they've been out here in the streets. I try to make people healthier for years now, and I'm glad that it is paying off for them and now they just got four hundred twenty million. Let's go out and celebrate. It looks do where we go specific. Yeah, it's going to be Donald and just like anti be healthy, right? That seems spot. But it also was like there's probably three companies that own every single snack, right? Hershey's Campbell's, right? And like I don't even know Reno or freedom. Yeah, I'm like, I don't even know who runs up, but it's nice if people are doing more of a healthy initiative at a good price because that's the problem. It's usually it's so expensive. Right? Yep. Arch videos could piracy these gonna pop shit, circuit baked Lay's are good. I forgot about tings. When you. Just set it. I was like, those are triangle. Although, no, I don't know. I don't eat those. They don't sell them at CVS. Yeah. Or on p.. Pod dot com. Waiting for migratory delivering your girl? Yes, it changed my life because mostly when I go grocery shopping, I want drinks. Yeah. Like I liked to have a fridge full of drinks. It helps me stay healthy, but I can't carry anything like from the grocery store even when I'm not buying carrying groceries, can't do it. So this is delivery and it's like really well price. It's owned by stop and shop. So you're getting good prices for your groceries. They delivered to your door, and it really has helped me. Or else I just wouldn't have groceries. And which your number one drink. Like when you open your fridge, what's like the thing that you're going to probably seltzer because they don't hydrate me and also be tasty. But then also, I'm I love a good class of cold ice tea. Diet ice died Zona here for four a little half-and-half. Little half lemonade, half iced tea. Arnold Palmer in for it. What is your favorite brand of seltzer? I'm very particular about myself drinking seltzer for like twenty five years right now I go like there's some that I like and also I never even finish a bottle of seltzer. They need to meet seltzer bottles that are smaller because once you like wants to token for an hour, it's like flat. I mean, the liter bottles or even just like water bottle like they just need to make miniature seltzer 'cause I never need that much seltzer. 'cause I just need that initial quench. Yeah. But right now I really enjoy Poland spring lemon. But then I also like like clear splash the flavors. Okay. All right. I look girl not a look, not LA, whatever, like Pellegrino. I like Perrier. Those are the same in their fancy. I was vintage girl. I was about to say vintage. Those keep them most phase. I think they're so fuck and Lear show. Oh, is like five milligrams of sodium. You have to like check even though with zero percent and you always have the check, but they are the cans of digital. Never get a better thirst quenchers. Then a can't event to seltzer. I totally agree young more than I don't know if they sell them on that off to anyways. Now it is time to pick your brain. Okay, let's do it. It gets real scoop and the t. on what is going on in the Bravo community in the NBC community. I feel like we related almost every single of your stories to backdrop. Right? And so now I'm done holding myself back from. Yes, right. Exactly. Like China yourself and just let it rip every first up New York reunion, the oath recent we haven't. You haven't been on since the reunion taped us. It was going to be explosive. You do not lie, and I just want to say, I want to thank you and the whole Bravo team for putting a lot of the meat in the first reunion. Yeah, because I know some, you drag it out to the third because you want people to watch, but it's like I'll be watching the third reunion even if they're just talking about, like, even if there's just sitting around reading there, I would never not watch a part of a rewrite provide show that I've literally invested six months of my life. And it's like, yes, the big conversations are important, but some interesting nuggets, like facial expression when she's watching the package of Tinsley, Scott, I thought was so cute and sweet, and there's no beef between them and like that was important for it was genuine. It was genuine. She's so happy for her and wants the best for her. I feel like my favorite moment. I think this was in part three. You might know more when when Bethany and Jerusalem apologized to each other after are you drunk or a drunk? You know, when there was that whole gang, her one regretted the one we're gonna the season, and derail you could tell was just like so touched by her apology, and that's all it takes is less moon is she was. She was very less boo. Carol, though, what that's into that friendship. What was Anne's reaction is really action to Carol telling him he's full of shit and that he's scared of happening. I don't. I did talk to him after because I like to not Dr bombard him too much, but listen, I don't think Andy has a really good head about his shoulders. He takes everything in stride, but I don't think anyone wants to be said that they're full of shit, especially when he's not full of shit. Right? He's just trying to explain. You know, he's always, I think, tried to tow the line and be devil's advocate and be like, okay, well, but this timeline on Bethany phone says, it's like, I'm not trying to say that you're wrong. I'm just being like, says, eleven. You're bringing in screen shots from someone else's phone. Like I want this is from the horse's mouth, right? Exactly. So when he got called primary source, yours are secondary source. And for journalist writer girl, you should know the difference how you should have been at that through my history major. You don't fuck with my sources. You're all about the receipts. Jackie your about their seats all about primary sources. Of course you have to have. I mean, this is why journalism is like the way that it is today because people be like, oh, yeah, I read this on like done dot com. Like, yeah, that's look like three bullet points. I need the rest. I need all of the bullet points b. It's called context, sweetie. You need look it up and I love how heated you are even like weeks later, anything with Andy, like, yeah, he's a journalist in that way. You know what I mean? I mean, he's certainly knows how to report on a story. He worked in news forever, so he gets the idea of history and context. But I don't think anyone likes to be told they're full of shit. What's funny is that I feel like the audience and the Twitter verse and the fans were more pissed off than him. They were like, you don't see that to Andy. He is in the mafia would Salt Lake. All he did, and she is paying the price for sure. And it's like, Andy, I'm sure it's just coming collected and it's just like fired. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But like she could be if if that's what he wanted, he has. Like he's her boss, like if my interest niche, right, homey out his full of shit snitch is getting yourself in different think from her duties murder, right. If she said that if she said it was bullshit, I'd be like snitch like, that's not nice because you're my sister, but then I would also be like, watched what you're saying like, this could be your last day. And I think for any was just like, hey, even if you think that I am don't use that. You know, it's never. It's never a good look for anybody to say that even if he was right, it just doesn't make her look like an adult or presentable, you know? And I think that was really his point. Yeah, I totally agree, but the Ronin was worth it for you. The rim was definitely worth for me. A lot of loose ends tied up. It was just unfortunate that the news came out about Dennis is passing like the week before part one of the reunion. So so much has changed since the reunion even though that had that happened three weeks after even some filming. Right? Yeah. It wasn't even like that much time has passed because I really felt like we were up to speed is just like I mean, bad timing obviously, and just a horrible thing to have happened. Bethany, look bad. For Bethany on the reunion. 'cause like she was ready going through so much and it's like just knowing where she would be at now. It just like I felt for her, oh my God, and I, I haven't seen anything over come out about anything. I haven't been keeping as much in touch with it as I have because they feel like the dentist thing kind of fell by the wayside because there was just so much that was happening unfortunately, but that's devastating. That's horrible. No one wants that to happen. Hopefully I'm also kind of like cloud that all of this has kind of made the dentist thing like less of a topic of discussion because I really was a private person, and his family seems to be very private and so and that's what he was private about him. Right. Exactly. Know that it's like we're just also like, tell hungry for it. Of course. Yeah. But so it's almost like everything happens way that it's shutting time everything and but the reunion happening at like, then it's just like fresh news to talk about, oh yes, Lou and stuff luanne I'm watch what happens. Live? Yes, I have to be honest. So I watched part three, and then I immediately watch watch what happens live and like I just thought it was. I just felt like she wasn't taking it seriously. I can't explain it like I didn't feel like we got. A reunion version of her. I feel like we got like a Giovanni beret like she never went to rehab the second time version of her and it's like trista. I needed a little bit more seriousness about what happened. Unlike you needed like a heartfelt moment of her to being like, yes, yes, cabaret show was amazing, but this is also what I'm going through and it's very serious at like the way that she was after she went to have the first time, like I would have appreciated that after the second time and also more of a reunion tone to it because it was very like watching live like fund funny. Yeah, but I was like, I wanted, I just, I don't know. I can't explain it. You wanna less Giovanni and I also thought it was going to be a one on one which is always more serious in nature. Oh my God. I remember when we like I remember the Theresa, Joe, like one on one with Andy, like they're always so tense there like that. Realistic roaming, everything better. I love how Andy does those. Right? I love it. I. So I thought that that was the vibes I was just like, oh, Jerry O'Connell Giovanni choices. This is fun, but I didn't get what I felt like I needed, you know. And I felt like when like when she was responding to step, she would like just have like a one liner. Yup. Instead of being like, well, like she'll be. I wasn't at the Beekman this summer, but it's like maybe it happened on June. Twentieth and technically it wasn't the summer. Yeah, exactly. Right. So I just I didn't like. I didn't feel like other women weren't there to be like, yes, we were. She was like office getting the details. It seemed like to you or the other women weren't there to call around. She can kind of just get away with what she was saying. Right? Yeah. It's also God on the flip side of that. It has to be really hard. I mean, granted, yes, it's what you sign up for, but having your whole life and going to this really, really traumatic thing with eight other ladies just kind of coming at you for it and you have to talk to Andy about, and it's a live show. It's probably a lot of pressure for her. So she might not have known what to say right when she didn't want anything taken out of context because she's really in the limelight, has children yet could see it being very, very difficult. I could see that you and I also overall, I'm loving her this season, the friendship that she has with Bethany and Sony as well is just everything. I didn't know that I needed totally, and there was a video that one of the morning Twitter's posted in the group, the other day of Bethany Ramona. And now the new house. Why out? Sorry, luanne Ramona and the new housewife, Barbara all at Macy's supporting Bethany, skinny jeans line. Right? And I just fun to see so fun. To see you and I love luanne and Bethany, just like supporting each other. And the wind saying that Dennis like helped her with a lot of her legal issues in Palm Beach. Just I'm here for it before to their sisterhood in the other women. Like they came into the reunion thinking that like they were the shit. The dream team has Carol said we only you'll onto foster can say, and they lost. Yeah, they won the battle, but they lost the war. They were basically you in the color wars, and then everyone else was Claudia because you guys team, right? If we're bringing it back to camp to us, but I'm no, I'm no carano. Carol nowhere. Sonya. I say, I'm the Sonia released to identify raw. I'm the plastic straw that stirs the drink. Yes, you, of course you are. I think I heard look on the reunion. Who did you think was best dress? Why God that's really the watch voters, said Bethany, but he's telling him was number two. He Bethany that like ponytail thing, which was a little interesting. I mean, I thought Sonya looked really pretty, and she was also wearing her own dress, which I really liked, and I liked to rent his hair. I actually thought Ramona looked pretty classy though. Just is like in terms of just look, I liked it wasn't agree GIS. It wasn't sometimes with tansy like you never know what you're going to get, which is always really fun. Can my problem with Cindy. I love her style sometimes, but she also despise everything off the rack that self mouth in Libya, whether it's good or bad, and and this is now we're over to. I'm really interested think that trust. No. Was like Xiamen bucks with it was glue self portrait toddlers and TI. Yes, yes, it was very, it was very Prissy. It was very Queen and Royal Royal royalty. That's nice of you to say. It was a lot of you look at my style like I should not be talking. I would. We're suit because I would just wanna get it over. Honestly, you would look that. I would love that just like black Corey me Kardashian at the great Gatsby themed, Kris, Jenner birthday party done. That's me. That's what I would go up on. How does Andy feel about Carol selling her used underwear on posh Mark. Did you see this. I did not see Hosh. Mark is like a resale. I use for me too, and a cows actually been on it for a while and she sells a lot of close. I'd like when I do you have a lot more than I do. It's just a lot of work, and I would always see yourself and like she obviously has Greek fashion. That's all she cares about if you Bethany. Yes. So she selling some of her clothes, but now rushing by it and then just burn it just for spite Jackie meeting her underwear, Burbano close. Those are precious. There's what you're saving from the fire. Right? What if your apartment? No, actually none of my closer thing, but my handbags and shoes, and they're all like like one would be like a birthday present just all emblematic or like a time in my life. Totally. But anyways now she's selling her lingerie on Tosh Mark, and I'm glad this hasn't reached handy. I don't know if I would buy lingerie on posh Mark. I would definitely not laundry is one of those things where it's like you want it just to me like I just like I wanted fresh. I wonder if easier of you never wore it, it was sitting in the draw with your other lingerie. That was hopefully warned. Yeah, there's, there's. Ramone's that could have passed through. I just there's too. I'm just too OCD too by anybody. Let alone carols, but anybody's underwear right? Other retail site, like do I want the tag fresh package, Victoria's Secret, like they do a really nice job. It's not so expensive. Like I like five for twenty. I'd rather has a new Victoria secret then used the Perla. Well, words to live by words to live by. We spoke a little bit yesterday with cloudy about the new housewife yet Barbara cloudy has met her. She went to the Countess and friends with her and really likes her really good. So we are excited about it. I personally didn't feel like we needed a new housewife. Okay. But I, I'm here for it and I hope she has a lot. Some really big shoes to fill in a lot to live up to. It's hard to get into that group as we're now seeing on c. which we'll get to in a second. New York is tough New Yorkers anyway, it's just a tough city like the, oh, see. I mean, we'll get to it, but like those, they always say that like Shannon hates a new girl. There was a up schenn's always gonna hit the new girl. It doesn't matter who it is like Shannon's gonna hate her. That's hilarious. Because like Shannon was the new girl, not very long, right? Which is funny like a wacky woman. I love her, but like should not like their Simos affable all the time. So like she should be giving other people a chance she is doing to them what Heather Dubrow did her. Yeah. I think it's a little bit of like this. I don't want to say hazing because it's obviously not violent or anything like that. Doing anything illegal, but it is a little bit of like this initiation process being like, you have to come to us, right? We are not going to you also understand because like a lot of some of these women have been there from the beginning, but a lot of them have spent years like really making the show what it is like giving their whole lives for the show. And it's like you get to come in at our peak right now. Right? Good for you, but you gotta earn your stripes. Amen. And I get that. So that's why I'm I look forward to seeing how Barbara how she does and how she's able to integrate in the group. And I hope she really is friends with some of the people going into it. I always helps as opposed to bringing in like a robe woman, you need to have 'em being like our kids go to piano class together, right? It has the has to be some natural integration. You have to have friends before or childhood friends or friends of friends or has to be something natural. You can't just drop anybody yet. Right. And that actually huge for us a close knit group who've been through so much together. Yes. Like on a newer, show Dallas, I or even Potomac, it's easier to do. But yeah, we're in like season nine, ten, eleven. Ven- there's history. There's so much history to go in and that is why I'm here for the bringing back of a bolt housewives, but not Lydia McLaughlin you, you really, you really don't like I really didn't like her the season and it's like I should because she's so cute. Unlike peppy and spunky and her mom. But like I just saw like, yes, she thinks he's, she's the friendship whisper, but she was like, really? Excluding Shannon? Yup. And I didn't think that was cool, especially that last year was the hardest year of Chattan. Five. Have you? It's horrible. I'm actually so proud of Shannon to see how she is now, especially with her new Food Lion total. And I was just literally before I came in here, I was scrolling through my Facebook or Instagram, and it's all these like sponsored posts by her for talking about this really sensitive issue. She was forty pounds overweight or however much it was and she really fought to get it back. It's truly inspiring and she is so down to earth. I love the girls. I just love them. I love the little. I like some of them, but like this, like I'm not caught up on the season. And next week's episode is really good. Because someone Kelly starts shit with which I've been waiting for. Do you like Gina the with the accent? Okay. Well, first of all, Emily looks like a Gina and Jean looks like an animal. Yes, I use them. I know. And also Emily looks like chessy, so it's just there's so many names floating around like Jesse it is, but gene doesn't look like a Gena. She looks like Emily looks like it's really confusing. I looked up for husband the other day, or I think maybe they're getting a divorce I looked. He's super cute, really, super cute. She's really cute. She has some really, really. She has some weird looks like in her testimonials, but I appreciate the taking a chance and I will never shut it anyone for like going hard on a in, like sticking to a look totally on. I liked her attitude. I like her attitude too, but it's just part and when she had that conversation with Vicky and they realized that like she's the same age as Mickey's daughter. I was just like. Like this is a different generation? Yeah. Why they just the different night, but I like Tina and Thomas friendship. And I I, yeah, I like her. I think it's just really hard to go. That's the that is the oldest show. I think it's really hard to be a new person on that show and you. So you have to be bold and make a statement, but then also it's like, but you have to do it in a way where it's like, you don't ruffle too many feathers, it's hard. It's a delicate. It's a, it's a fine line. It is a fine line and it's really cool to see like this New Yorker broad come in with these, you know classy. Like, you know, California ladies. I like it's like a fish out of water. I like seeing that. That's one of the reasons I really, really like Gina, because you do have to be strong and she's got that link to Hof vibe about her, you know, and where's hats and smoke cigars. I'm really looking forward to the season. However, yes, hundred point counterpoint. I like a New Yorker. She is just like, she seems like SNL version of an housewife like a caricature. Right. And if the people who are from New York. I imagined if I ever left New York, the I would be like the New Yorker, but it wouldn't be like so stereotypical outward. Like just the way I react to things is very New York, like moving on. You like your attitude is New York, not like your physical. You're like crack for sure right yet, but she's always just talking about being a New Yorker and it's like it's also like how Cameron's always talking about being blonde breath mart right way, right? Although we're waiting to see, I do get the sense and I don't know this for sure, but I'm sure it's really hard. Gina had to move across country. She thought she was going to be with her husband. She never sees her husband like she probably really misses New York. No. And she puts up with like she deals with a lot. Those kids. Oh my gosh. She's three of them on cheese alone. And now they're getting divorce, which is like sad. But I'm, I'm glad she has a show like to. Yes, she has a good support system. Emily has three kids as well. Yeah, and then least they're not. She's not the only new person, right? No, not to girl sink like three kids. She's a New Yorker she's completed wanted like you needed to have someone there to also be in her corner and their. It's kind of nice to see two together. There's a new United. Front there. And I also think that the way Gina reacted to the husband Emily's husband thing, she was like, I thought she played it so cool because she was like, I was trying to minimize it because that's a good look for you. Right? But and then like so Emily's coming out her being like at least my husband's there and she's like, this don't start with me like that. Like I literally was not gonna make a big deal about it. You were the one who went to every go, right? I like when Emily told everyone she thought everyone think was funny because she was like my husband kicked now. 'cause ROY being annoying out, I relate. I relate. And there's kids in the house like I actually do relate some. No, you don't understand how loud you're being. And also when she said that when I when she said that, like my husband gene out, I didn't think anything was like weird at all until all of the women were like, when Jim you, your husband talked to her that way. And I was like, I'm sure he because he's not on camera that much. Yeah. If you have young kids in the house, I've never had a child, but it can only imagine that when they're actually sleeping and they've quieted down, that's all you want. Right. You don't want anyone disturbing this piece of fifteen minutes you can have as a parent. Sure. That's what happened. And I'm sure that's what he. Was trying to get across the party was over. He wasn't like no parties, but it was like it was like, hey. Around being loud, go home, right? Drinking smoking cigars. Like it's just not a good parental situation. Understandable. But I also am not caught up. So like maybe we've seen more of Shane, which is Emily's has been neom, but I don't know. I didn't like feel one particular way or the other about guys, if felt like just like the fuck. She was me so annoying even while all the women were there, right? Yeah. Women wearing away by her. They left her at the table. So it's like, oh, no, you're allowed to be annoyed and likely profit chain can't tell her to get out. Yeah, I think it was just like a man and a husband who's not part of the core group telling this woman, you know it was very happy to take out of context. I think it was very much like a gender thing. Yes, yes, not being kicked out. Right. Got it. Next up, I want to talk about Dallas all caught up and I, I love this franchise and and how sweet is brandy? Oh my God. I just like I love shoes. She is so nice. They're all really nice, but brandy is just a little little ginger. He's so cute. Their family is so cute and like what she like. I'm. So happy for her. She didn't week like, could you imagine your by your whole life and then boom, you have a baby just in your and who's a Douro adorable. And it's just like so meant to be feels like hers and Justice taking the role, and it's so sweet to see. It's so nice and I love that Stephanie was the one who brought Bruin into her life because they'll ever like even no matter what happens with the show like they will forever be connected by that. Yeah, and I think that they do have a really, really strong bond anyway, like there have always been, you know, it's a little bit of a Romania Sonia where you're just kind of like, yeah, no matter what you go through. We love each other end of the day. That feels it's Mick sense it. Stephanie is one who did that. Yeah, I'm really happy. I think that just as good for their, what do you think about leeann lock transformation and trying to get more meditative and a little bit calmer, angry. I love Lianne lock it and she came on the show once to meet just fell in love, which was a great name. She's coming on next week. I love knowing cited. I, I'm here for her like calming transformation, but like I feel she's either. Right to extremes like she's either being loud drinking up all night Nori with a knife or she's going to bed early with her bowl and not really being herself and then took. She feels like, oh, I was really good. I can now go back to this right there needs to be this where she's like still having fun drinking, like being out with everyone, but just doesn't get to that level, you know. So I don't think she needs to change who she is entirely because I think she's like a great girl. Like I think she's so fun, and I think she is funny and a good friend and like has a lot to offer a fully. So I feel like she thinks she needs to take all of like she needs to shrink amid Deloitte to this, but she needs to just make it like, I don't like this. I love that we're talking about, you know what Carol was like, I have a really large someone's like, I don't think anyone really knows what that me currently like. She said it wrong anyway. Yeah, call that. I mean, yes, there's all different mean. I'm sure she probably does have a very large campus. I don't really know what that was neuro science major. I don't really know what were you? Yeah, it was. Oh my goodness that actually like must come in hand. With the shows because like all the sociological, like I just love psychology of human relationships in general, which is why I work. Honestly, it's probably why I work at Bravo through a different lens. I've look at from like a scientific lens that is so interesting. That's why Trump name take a step back and have this intellectual like argument about the house. It was like, oh, she's just a bitchy therm, Lincoln. And until I was like, let's take a look at the context of history of everything and maybe know what she's going through in her life. I just love the psychology of that stuff. I read about it all the time. Like hobby fact about you. Where'd you go to college? I went to Lafayette. It's in eastern Pennsylvania, not far from the Poconos snap far at all. Not Fargo. Also. I feel like it's like Zimmer vibes to collate. It's in the exact same family were in the same patriot league. So Lafayette Colgate Bucknell. They're all the same thing on the turf. Yes. You actually collated really nice. I read the flags team like they gave up all of their hotel, the hotel. I don't know if their hotel rooms or their budget for food and travel for the football team, and they're giving it to like all of the people who need to evacuate from hurricane rains, which is like there's such a small school like the football team. I don't even know that they have that big of a budget, but it's just like a nice thing to do. It's super sweet thing. Yeah, it was specially from like a small liberal arts college right now. No one knows about right. That's tiny. Like Lafayette had twenty three hundred students, right? Like, no, my high school was bigger right twenty seven hundred students and it's like, you know, they're just doing it from the goodness of their heart because they're not a school that gets a lot of press. And I think they're probably just like, oh, and we got press. Yeah, totally. It's really nice. Janice shadow to Colgate. I'm visiting Novem. And my Siberian man is in, I went to mine. I went to, it's very weird because you're you're out where you have your own career and people know what you do, but you're also like that's also kind of a middle stage where like not everyone is like well established yet. Yes, everyone's still on equal playing field still like I still starting out in your career. It's not like and Michelle where it's like, you have to make up a career right? And like everyone's married with children like everyone's and I like. Monkey right. Everyone's still pretty young and not that many people are married or have children yet, right hand years is really worry. That's what I've heard. Like I feel like five year is gonna be really fun. And then like literally I cannot it was fun. I have two years until my ten and it's it's going to be interesting. That's excited. I'm excited to hear how it goes. Yeah. Let me know your five year goes on. Okay, Dallas, you like we've covered a lot of ground. Yes, and it's just it's a great show. I love relationships are great because at one point it's like everyone's getting along. Whereas the drama and don't worry, the drama always comes. They fell their stride. Yeah, the Dallas girls know what's up. They found their stride. Is there a new housewife because season I thought I met a new housewife or maybe she's a friend of the women when we were at the OK magazine summer kickoff party that I don't know. I don't think so. They don't need it right now. I feel like we're good morning really gets file. Question. Yes, answer because Andy about the toast. I'm sure Andy knows about that. Andy with. Sorry, that was. That was he knows about it. He knows about the toast to what degree does Andy know about the toast? I don't think Andy knows every time I go on the toke, but I think he knows what who you guys are. Yes, it was funny actually, because I always joke. I'm like, Andy never knows what I'm doing. Like we were written up in the New York Times and Anderson Cooper told him that because I, I just don't want to you so busy or whatever. Not that he, he always wants to know what I'm doing, but I just feel a little like, hey, by the way, and Eli Lagos written up in the New York Times. So he's like, you gotta tell me when these things are happening. Like this is great, and he told me the other day I listened to you and I was like, oh, no, what did you listen to? Because I always just assume he's too busy news and listen to you on the comments by celebs podcast. So he pays attention like, yeah, he knows what's up. He's very, very knowledgeable. Okay. And on the grind. He knows who you are. Here's a Jackie O tattoo as backed at to tramp stamp. It's on your face and then you're and then you're handle. And that's how you get followers every right, like wondering why I'm getting so many fall. Yeah, it's because of the anti-gun trip step right -cations. So he's been like showing it off. Oh, oh, told everyone in they in Capri has seen, oh, everyone was like, yeah, baby like Jackie ho. All right. Question for you. And he was like, darn, I want you to be a housewife like when whenever that time, like say data alone is hilarious, right? Yeah. Would you? Would you be a housewife and which franchise would you want to be on? I would probably want to be. I would hope I'd be wealthy enough to be on Beverly Hills. Yeah, like that's a that's like my goals. Right. But I do feel like I'd be New York. Yeah. I mean, I'm a jersey girl, but I'm way more of a New Yorker than anything else born in New Jersey. So probably New Jersey, probably New York. I would it be a housewife only because I don't think of myself like that's not where I would shine. I'm way better sort of observing things like that as opposed to being in the mix and it would take a lot. Me to be so vulnerable to give everything on camera. I would be a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And my girlfriend would not. She wouldn't be. She probably wouldn't want to be on camera and they'd have to give up that part of your life and a lower to happen anymore. So exactly and I, it doesn't work that it doesn't work that way. You need to really open up every aspect of your life between children and parents and significant others. And I think my girlfriend would want that, so I would be hesitant. Well, that's actually a great segue to our next Bravo development, which is Lila can't getting engage. Yes, I'm happy. I'm happy for she is someone who came on and she was not understanding that she needed to total open. And now her whole life is so open like her and her man are so fucking cute. And it's like you people can say what they want, but they, I don't like her. Instagram is goals. I mean, granted, everyone's Instagram has God like when she got engaged and it was just them at this table with fireworks over them. I was like, I'm not even Inderal Vance, and I was just like, I love you so much. Amazing. I love her so much and you so sweet. She's so nice. She's so nice. I want them and she's so cool and funny. She's all bellied. Women empowerment, like supporting other women. I love it totally, and she got, I just love her so much panic. She's been through so much this year, and I feel like I mean, I don't know her well enough, but we have lots of parents like I just feel like and knowing that Randall asked her dad for her hand before he passed away. Like I'm just so here for them. And I feel like they really truly are in love to. It doesn't seem like one of those social media relationships in the whole cast was there to support her. I so so many instruments would like so happy so happy so happy, and it's nice to see him like out in public. Now I had to like an underground Google search. He was he's like, hell he extremely legit. Are you going to go see her movie, the row of court? Generally, just I was looking at a picture of her for two and a half, unless you're kidding, she's everything. Do you think about the Brown hair? I am into brunettes more than anything else. Outing present company. Excluded. I love genders. But yeah, I like dark. Okay. I'm excited to see how it looks on the show because she always looks like someone like I feel she's not gonna look that. She's one of these people who actually looks better on TV than she does on social media. Is that weird in? Have you ever seen her in person though? Yes, because she once she radiates and I'm like, what are you like you were even without any makeup? She's already ten, and then the makeup just makes her like a twelve and you're just like. I'm speechless looking at Hewlett literally, I've said to her before. Can you just hug me in swat me because this'll be the best thing that's ever happened to me. She's like sure. She's she's beyond q.. She is hot, has entered Trump rolls, wrapped filming for this season. I think we did wrapped filming and usually around the summer. Yeah. And when I'm sure tom-tom opening was like. Yeah, is Randall on the season that I don't know. I haven't seen any cuts of anything, so I don't know. I'm sure I don't. Has he ever been on camera without? I don't think so. I'm sure we'll talk about the maybe this was his coming his story. Yes, he till next season to really meet him. Yeah, maybe but I'll wait. I'm I'm never gonna watch Vander pump rules. And once they get married odds of her becoming a housewife, Beverly Hills, really good question. No idea. Never say never because that would be the ultimate crossover. I mean wooded that just like you go from like the the kid show like the Americans. It's American Bravo dream nearly eight athlete, right? It's the American dream. That would be insane. Crossover. I'm would be here for it. I would watch it. I mean same. Yeah. Obviously I'm already like sweating over Lola. Speaking of Beverly hill. So last time you were here UT's that Denise Richards could possibly be a full time cast member, and now she is. I'm curious. Yes, like, did did Bravo seek her out? Did she seek this opportunity out that? I don't know, but I just know that it was like stars, aligning, type thing. I mean, certainly of bra I can. I can't really speak for what happened because I'm not involved in that process, but certainly Bravo's going after someone, you kind of know if you don't want to do it or you when she's ready friends with some of them. So I'm sure she got like the inside scoop so we can only imagine that it was like a meeting of the minds and everyone was on board for it. I don't. I doubt there was much convincing either way. Okay. She's already famous. You wouldn't need to convince me and like the well known in her life is public. Yeah. So I would imagine you'd only want to do it right at your own story out there as opposed to just being Charlie Sheen. Crazy. Man's ex wife, correct? Correct. Well, the women's just went to the Bahamas. Yes, it looked amazing. I'm so excited for the season in Beverly Hills. I can't explain and Beverly beach by was just like thriving. Oh, my, I love. I love. Good name and like, hey, what guy is genius h? Right? Like that. She's using her Beverly Hills, right arse analogy persona. And reminds me like camp, Beverly Hills, like those old shirts that we used to wear only put. It's like made up fantasy who wouldn't want to go to Beverly beach. Now that doesn't sound bad at all. No, not at all. And this win suits are really, really cute. Yes. And I'm really, I just started falling to read on Instagram and like I I'm teamed written out for her, which is so crazy. It's crazy what the show can do. Because after the first season I was you hate it. I could not stand her right now. You sometimes give it time. You never know. Some was a statement that could change people's opinions or one action or one this, like give it time, let it flour and then once the season is done, you can really assess how you felt. I go through a mixture of emotions. I go through Ramona coaster all the time, so and I'm in it over. I mean, life is Ramona coaster cloudy is watching she. She just wants to note that sheen and brandy brought us from your house is Beverly Hills to enter from parole. They did so Lalanne Rando will bring us then it would come. Full circle full circle that right. Actually. Imagine if anti-trump roses then segue to rehouse as Beverly Hills, and then they go on a yacht than their on below deck and like we really hit every single franchise. Right. And then like this service from From Compass are serving on the. Yeah, there should be like a the chef is like Tom Cliquot right now. It's like, oh my God. This is just Bravo's dream of just everything going on. It's a problem. We're judged by Padma Padma judge me all day. I am. I am here for that as well. We, I was just going to ask you with their ever talk of doing a real housewives, all star sho. Yeah, I think you know battle of the network reality stores was something actually Andy had his handed back when that was in that in people are always talking about, like if you were stuck in an island, you had five, housewives, right. And would you take? So that's always kind of been in the ether. I don't really know what that would look like, right, because they look the represent their cities in their own way, and I don't really know, but it would be like a game show like putting them on a house together, that feels a little weird and uncomfortable a jersey in Beverly Hills, or Beverly Hills and Potomac. It just doesn't. I agree. On vacation together? Yes. But separate. But equal? Yes. Separate people. Speaking of house is doing other shows. I actually just caught Kim Richards on marriage boot camp. Oh, I didn't see them. Yeah, I can like just from your, I don't know. I was watching something in a went like right into it. I couldn't even stop. It rubs everywhere. Bravo is everywhere. And you can't believe him Richards is back on TV. I know. I know. Well, good for that. She's healthy and happy and doing her thing. Agreed. One more thing I wanted to ask you about, we were talking about play by play. The new Bravo show. We have Jerry O'Connell coming on next week, so we're going to ask him. He's the nicest. So I'm really excited to see the format of this show because it's like four real men that watched Bravo, but apparently you can't say that anymore, but I will continue to untie. Okay until I get an earful that I, that resonate, that changes my mind, of course because her now it's just like much a real women might travel fake women. Trevor people watch Bravo, especially human beings. What brought us. So what's the? Is it going to be like a sports version like the breakdown like we need like instant replays. Like Telestrator technology like, whoa, Shannon comes out of left field and does this less, you know, it's definitely a wink to sports, and it's definitely it's definitely a nod to like an ESPN type vibe and certainly going like what they think it's very opinion based. It's guys talking about Bravo. We're gonna have a couple of correspondence. It's super funny. Commentary is great. It's just fun to see guys comment on Bravo because you don't really realize how many men real match it. So my whole family watches it. Like every time we get together, we got together for Russia Sean and they were like, so tell me about like blow deck med. And I was like, you, you're fifty. You're like my fifth year old uncle. Like, what are you doing? He's like, I know, but I really need to know it's it's a phenomenon. It's going to be a great job, and Jerry is he's great. He's leading it and he's great. And I love that. He really is like light cloudy and I just like a wealth of Bravo knowledge. Yes, it's not enough to just watch shows like you have to get all of the references like you need to be able to drop legal jargon at the drop of a hat like hopefully. So these men are very well versed in all things Bravo like they would. They would combat you and Claudia for. Sure. J. would be amazing. I love to see a point counterpoint between the two. I mean, if anyone can set it up to you, what happened to the summer by Volvo commercials, those ended a few years ago they were there when we when I first started and we all love them. I think there's really hard. It's really hard to schedule a lot of Bravo liberties together. We have a lot of people that we have to do in the huge budgets, and we stopped those campaigns, but we all like there are favorite of everyone around us them. Yeah, and I feel like it starts a lot of drama like within the city's because it's like if you got, it's like who got invited to sit in with Andy at the new friends. Exactly. Exactly. Like who's sitting next Andy who make, who's I during housewife who gets to play with him at at camp. That's what it is. Whose team is he on at camp? Does he's? He's the, he's the grand marshal. He is the guy Marsh, like worth flying in his name and his, he's ringleader, right? He's at the circus and his ring that a right also Lalanne Randall just getting maximum to ask you. They're going to be onto the thing out right on a home decor show. I heard. Yes, I think so. I don't know. I don't know if that's true, but I'm gonna have to check with my sources and I'll obviously get back well, that would be just an exciting way to see them together. And like I understand him not wanting to benefit roles, like case a legit syrup. But like being on a show about renovating your home, it's like everyone's, that doesn't make sense. Yeah. They probably have a gorgeous home and yeah, it's mazing. So. Oh, I'm happy. I'm jealous. Yeah, both the like she's just like a being of a woman. She is well call me. She's probably watching. She probably or like her friend is watching. It's gonna tell her to call you. That's how it works with the host. Like everyone is a friend, six degrees of separation over here. Like a friend of a friend always has something, of course, of course. Well, thank you so much for joining us. I'm sorry, show went so long. You kidding being here with you. This was so fun. Thank you for dropping. I will add make a degenerate so I could because I know she's watching cloudy or degenerate coming here so I could take over the hell, right? And as much as hurricane Florence is really destroying a lot. Yeah, it brought us together today did bring us together today is all around. Yes, thanks for having me anyways. I hope everyone has a great weekend. Where can everyone follow you at Korpi. Darren, see AARP d. a. r. Wyan follow me on Instagram. Also show listened to my podcast martinis and we're growing oxygen. Sounds good. Also people want me to ask about Jeff drama. Yes, Jeff, Jenny drama with. Tipping out. And that's still kind of unfolding right now because I guess they had a huge falling out and Jeff was talking about it in his radio show. It's still kind of in the work. So I'm hopefully we'll have more information than next time I come on the desk. We'll have settled. Yes, whether there's too many things going on right now that I haven't decided what is happening. That's fair. Yeah. And it's no need. Yeah, it's but there is there is there was a falling out. It was falling. I'm not. I'm not up on it, but now I'll have to be no pay attention. Pay attention, leave, pay attention. Hey, can so many references on stage show? I'm like someone really hitting everything today. Totally getting everything. Anyways, everyone have a fantastic weekend. We will be back on Monday. Co-host. TVD might be smidge might be someone else, and we will see you. Then you can always follow me at track your problems. And now I have to go home in for my table to be delivered. I'm so excited groceries, it's a big day for me. This is a huge day for you big day when we got any also, I told you the story before it. Now I have to tell and talking about house is the whole time. I went to a restaurant last night and the waiter comes to our table and he's like, hi, Giovanni, I'll be your server tonight. I was like. What did you say like I have to drink. He said, Giovanni anyways, then he comes to order. I'm like, boy, like to name was Giovanni and like, yeah, he's like it's a collie and I was like, I'm aware you watch real housewives of New York. I haven't been. I I used to watch clearly anymore. I'm like, has no one told you Giovanni has no one screamed Giovanni you in the streets. He like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. I was like, oh my God, like Instagram him. And then that way, what are the streets would have been like? Giovanni, I really wanted to, but like my phone was like dying. I just looked like a beast I wasn't going to even. But anyways, it was just so crazy. There is a server in fought iron at Bose, kitchen and bar named Giovanni, go there and yell screaming. Giovanni, yeah, he's Bonnie. By the way, I think he's the best thing to well, it's definitely the best thing to of this season like inside jokes, why? Totally. And I'm just like it's like clue as much as Arinda was definitely heckling and being a bad friend like she was being a good cast me. Oh, my good-. Co worker. I can't say Giovanni outside of just yell league, like even if I saw him, I'd like Giovanni, I couldn't ever not say it that way. So good. I was at a dinner and a show thing, and they were wearing all these blitz each houses. And it's just like Giovanni chose found. He's so good. Most bring people together. Always thank you for tuning in. Thank you for being here extravagant. Thank you for being a toaster. You can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube podcast. We are now on Spotify, so hopefully wearing your release radar today, and we will see you here on Monday good day today.

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Liz Phair Has Some 'Horror Stories' To Tell

The Frame

16:00 min | 1 year ago

Liz Phair Has Some 'Horror Stories' To Tell

"The Broadcast Center at KPCC This is the frame I'm John Horn and thanks for joining us during our fall chip drive today my guest for the entire show is singer and songwriter Liz Fair John How are you good he indie rocker who was narrower if you picture a pie chart right picture in eighteen percent wedge of that Pie Chart and then extend that describes a phone call with their manager following the death of Prince in two thousand and sixteen it was a very funny phone conversation a unique conversation uh-huh and then sort of retreated for awhile to raise her son now fifty two years old Liz Fair has a memoir it's called horror stories and in the prologue she we are we are says the royal we we are the same person I would say liz fair is a reg outward is if it's a focused beam of energy that is so strong just like shoots out of the Pie chart that would be liz fair and then the person what are you going to be here tomorrow you don't know is what you're making right now what you'd WanNa leave behind if it was the last thing you ever did and it just symbolically stated in the song I'm GonNa give you the intense points and nothing else and in prose you can really slow the book is sort of all of me the whole pie chart whole everybody because very early in the book you wrote and I'm quoting yourself back to yourself shook me up because I suddenly thought like no I have more to say I have more to say that I would like to say in this sort of when I started writing and your book is and where can kind of challenged me in a way I wasn't expecting you know I didn't think of myself as old but he was like Liz you know none of us know how long we've got Oh time down bring you into the experiences if you're looking out of my eyes feeling everything I'm feeling and I can really take you on a journey play a bit of a song from your first record exile Guy Hill this song is called run I'm trusting you with my deepest self and I'm wondering if you think you can be more honest as a writer than you are as Asian in a way obviously you have more room to explain a situation get more granular with it and that I can't find a solution to and I can wrestle with it page after page and it's interesting but it doesn't resolve and I think with a song you kind of feeling is abandoned in favor of self preservation and it got me thinking about the way an artist sees his or her songs I explain what I think about it disappoints never speaking with this whole idea of what they wanted to be after resolve that and kind of say like do here's here's what here's what I'm setting up here's what's happening and here's what your takeaways it's just it's almost it right in the book everybody thinks this song is about sex and on one level it is but it's also about these moments when Rio connection flipped and then right on the same page they can't make you an object I reasoned if you are adamantly and vociferously it ceases to be mine it can be created by me but it belongs to everybody at that point a weird way we're talking with and one is that you write being female in the entertainment industry can sometimes feel like running a never ending gauntlet of Horny dudes really sort of muse about the unanswered questions I think that was maybe the most fun thing about the pros writing that I can russell with problems why is this culture so comfortable with violence and so uncomfortable with sexuality why is that it's weird it doesn't seem about sex so I intended that certainly I did not realize how the sexual aspects would eclipse any discussion of anything else take away from how you wanted to be seen and how people interpreted what you were trying to say that's a very good question how that would be picked up in a headline and sort of amplified I thought of it as rightfully a are found it served anyone to answer the question that is commonly asked of me what is the song about every single time is fair about her new book horror stories there's a chapter in this book called Hashtag and there's a lot going on in it but I'm going to ask you about a couple of things the I if you think invited that kind of interest after I publish sexually frank lyrics you'd have gotten the cause and effect Oh destiny and there's so many more forces shaping it than that welcome back to this pledge drive edition of the frame I'm John Horn and our guest today is it was I just sorry now this may seem almost like an existential question but as liz fair the songwriter and Liz Fair the author the same person and the way in audience does and where they align and when they don't and what that's like that occasional disconnect I have never gene aren't really about sex per se they may have dynamics that involved that but they're not like explicitly sexual and I think again they're like my children but I let them go I don't think of my songs is my children but I also don't think of them as mine once they're completed once a song has been recorded properly an invitation to be described in a certain way whereas men can do that and they're they're not categorized right we have this idea that this is biological the subject of your own sexuality so that's what you believed but then other people saw you in a different light based on what you were singing about so what is your I think that that never quite resolves for me I saw it I knew what I was doing I knew that it would be provocative for women to sing so explicitly out and for them if that is what it is about that is what it is about it really isn't mine anymore and I know that's a cliche says it always send it off into the world under songwriter Liz fair last year her debut album exile and Guy Ville got a rerelease for its twenty fifth anniversary she's currently working with On famous man and Henry said basically fair game and that hurts that feels bad that's not a positive thing and I think I think I wrote that chapter in the I can do both I can be intelligent and safe and still have sex that's pretty much all I want music industry and as a mom fair rights that singing frankly about sex was just one part of what she did but it came to define her in some people's eyes part of my personality and there was a lot of song I mean there were eighteen songs on exile and Guy Ville and I would say at least fifteen producer of that record on some new music but in the meantime she's written a memoir it's called horror stories and it's a collection of reflections on her life in the most particularly if you step out of your lane if you dare to live a life that isn't one of the prescribed approved of roles for women healthy to me psychologically well and there's I think more to it than that that a woman can be sex positive in her life and in her art and that's considered when we come back Liz fair shares he spoke with her son about porn. Yeah you heard me right porn sandy me you're probably writing this book all around the time that Harvey Weinstein and Les Moonves says and you write in almost kind of an offhand way about I'm sorry to tell you but that's the truth like this is what seems so weird to me is how many men are unaware of women's lives are like a specially tone I feel for whatever reason more respected more my boundaries respected more or less sort of even if you don't really think about or worry about what people read into your songs how important is it that they feel that you are singing about just in the two years that the metoo movement has been blazing I feel on social media a different doc a song writer a playwright a filmmaker can use his or her voice to say this is the way that people should talk guarding my sexuality behind like Defensive Wall just to grow up and be mature and have sexual relationships I would like a world in which end to kind of just say the point is not all the separate things that happened the point is I don't WanNa have to feel like I'm owns life is complete he's got one of those you know and if I can't have her as mine what uses she to me I need to go find someone about each other I think it's very important I think artistic output we're kind of like creating myths for us to believe in like that's sort of what are entertaining industry does it it's a myth making industry I think the problem has largely been that women haven't been seen as separate individuals there more like if a man to extend a hand of friendship out there and say like are you feeling alone in the cosmos I'm here to like that's horny solicitations and I have to say it's Nice it's kind of Nice you know like it ain't so bad on the other side at least not for it's something that is relevant to their lives especially for women and young women that they feel like you're telling stories that make them feel understood please and that's where artists step in they give us different myths to believe in and shoot for we're talking with fair about her new book horror stories think about their own experiences and feel less alone and how does that change as you grow older well I want to talk about all sorts of stuff that isn't sexy music that is maybe it's complicated but maybe it's ultimately a little misogynistic what are the conversations that you have a parent about musical tastes appreciate it doesn't always work but I try to appreciate how lucky I am I specially feel that way when I see colleagues and people pass away the propositions that you got mostly from record label executives including somebody who's like I'll pay you five thousand dollars a month to be my living concubine you like I it's my whole thing that's my whole thing I don't want to write songs or actually it's not true I do write songs that are not the kind that would twice that amount on the road and yet it seems so casual it seems like this is the thing that any woman has to deal with on a daily basis I mean you really do understand your parents finally you really do understand what a gift every day is and I try to get up and he's not listening to Liz Fair right now but he's listening to a lot of hip hop and I'm curious when you hear teenage kids maybe your own listening to me who will be my woman because that completes my life and she's supposed to do certain things and that's sort of an old mentality no thank you next Meth KPCC I'm John Horn and we'll see you tomorrow back here at the Mon Broadcast Center you one last question I think you have a teenage son is that right while he's twenty two okay so have you have a young son I have a nineteen year old son I will tell you resonate with a listener they're just very particular to me and I try to keep them off the album sweet because they don't fulfill what I want to be doing which is applegate that well I think where it came up in our household because my son he's into pretty his stuff is more like synth wave he's into that kind of like eighties revival but I think with porn and stuff I did try to tell my son like that doesn't feel good a woman like you need to know that you need to know verb at Largo at the coronet you're in Los Angeles and that is it for the frame today thanks for listening both on the radio and on demand and thanks for supporting is that like you know made sure he could only see this that and the other thing I kept pretty good track of it for a while and then when he hit like adolescence is called horror stories Liz thanks so much for coming on the show thank you someone Liz Fair will perform every Monday night in November when you're physically with another person that it's a different thing than what you're watching you know in the same way that you go to a movie you wouldn't just like shoot someone or flip your car there's just no stopping it so I just tried to work on the on the character and the brain I think I did okay he's he's pretty great let's fares new book I did spend some time 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54 - Angelique Cabral from Life In Pieces

"What's up guys it's fortune and I'm on a brand new stand up tour that's right. I'm coming to grand rapids Boston. New Haven Connecticut Dallas Columbus Ohio Austin. Dc So many great places go to Fortune teamster dot com slash tore and. Get your tickets. Welcome to another episode of sincerely fortune. It's fortune and Jax. Yeah we're back and today is a very exciting day in the sincerely fortunate world because we have my good pal here. Orange Elite Cabrel. You said it right. You can set. It rang. We'll put the close look. Good I like that and honestly you already know. We did life in pieces together. He did for years for years. You're the you're the in the main cast and I got to pop in and torture you as your roommate. Doug some of my favorite episodes are the ones with you like. We had so much fun. It was a blast. Everyone love Dougie. I was on there for four seasons in my mind. I was in like fifty up in a lot more. I'll be on film. You were basically a cast member pressure. I loved it so much. There's been very few shows who have written for me as well as that show. Yes I agree with you. You got really good stuff on that show and they. We had like several recurring guest stars. But they really liked you and the fans really liked you and they loved dynamic. Dougie dynamic with me and Matt was very fun it was Su- meaty stuff. I guess most times when you do a guest are on a TV. Show you come in. You do a senior to you. Don't really leave much of a mark and they would give me great scenes. Oh Yeah I mean. There was a point where people were saying. Dougie should have spin off. I know like what happened. What what first of all what happened visas and also what happened to the spinoff. No totally. I've been a great show. Everyone would have watched that show. I always say this to people but you know Jackson from Michigan. And every time I go to every time I go to Michigan Litter. I could be in the most obscure town in Michigan. 'cause like her grandmother lives in a small people. Come like or like even more people come up to me out of nowhere like they come out of like bushes trash cans. Dougie the restroom. They pop out of like thin air. And Go. I love you in life in pieces crease? And I'm like what am I wasn't i. I was in Italy and people. I think they were on vacation. I don't think it was Italian. But they will be our in all over Europe really I. Yeah they were coming up to me and it frigging Italy famous out of the show. Go O J. Cancel all right so well. We were in posted. Tano at this Nice restaurant and some tourist walked in and from across the restaurant Yell Dougie. Soon now. I was like that so everybody always asks me. I mean I don't even think you know like I mean what happens will yeah. I mean I do know this story a real short. It's not even a secret basically in in Hollywood in the especially television world. There's a studio in a network and our particular show had different studio network our network was CBS in our studios twentieth. They don't get along historically all okay and Les Moonves says got fired when we were going through negotiations who was the head of CBS. For LIKE THIRTY YEARS RIGHT. He loved our show. He championed are show and when it came down to renewing like that the night. Before I guess L- look like everything was going to be fine but then the new brass from. Cbs Oh kind of wanted to clean house. I anything that had green lit championed. So that was our show and like we'll took the brunt of it and we were also the only show left on their network that was not owned by. Cbs Gotcha so they don't ultimately make money right and they were about to have to pay us a lot of money because we're gonNA give which negotiated would've been a whole thing kind of a Dick move. But in retrospect I'm just really honored and blessed and very grateful that I even had a show that was on the air that long right because it's very rare anymore and that's very rare to get shows with twenty two And I you know I look back fondly on those years and I have no hard feelings. Yeah yes it is what it is. It's a business billions. They WANNA make money. I just wish that we have been. They've been like we'll do eight episodes to wrap wrap it up. That was like us of our hearts like listen. Don't bring even six like or even an hour long special. I don't care but the fact that we never got to say goodbye to our crew. Yeah and the fact that we kind of left it open ended like the. The show doesn't even wrap up nicely. Real right yeah you don't you don't WanNa grab that you're not coming back so you and you don't want to wrap it all up and then they'll be like Oh. Yeah by the way you're coming back coming back. Thirteen episodes right you go. We wrapped it up. We already even is it. Yeah so that sounds like we should do the Dougie spinoff. Everyone we wrap about stories. Light up a couple of years since you're the roommate you sure we should. We should take that out next Next season we should pitch the Dougie. Show Yeah Yeah. That's one of those Hollywood things that so tricky in in the part of the business people don't get to see a lot. Does your show had six million. Seven million viewers elite which is huge in today's time. And you know and people think how can cancel it so popular but right comes down the money. I mean it comes down to money comes down to the behind the scene and at yeah to your point everywhere we go even now because it's still streaming a lot of places in the Midwest in particular. Yeah with our show. We can't walk down the street and even I went to Legoland this weekend. Yeah I was stopped. I think more than I've ever been stopped in my life because I think that. That's the clientele at Legoland right right and it makes every time. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. There's like a like paying because you guys bond refers to yeah of course and my mom's always like well. Why don't you get on a show grey's anatomy and I'm like I know everyone wants an SUV? Everyone wants an antidote. Everyone like we all want those. Yeah but no one. If you're not in the industry you don't understand really like why it's not going or whites getting like. No one has any clue right. Well listen there's like a so many actors vying for so many few things and so we all want shows. Yeah we all want. We all want the big hat. We don't want you guys had a great show and Y'all very close and so I know Yep and a lot of us live around here. We're all kind of in the same hood. Yeah we're neighbors. You Still Keep in touch with Colin and Tommy's a and even Jim like Jim Berlin textile. Yes so great. I have to say I was Super Jelly. I found out that you guys got to go to Barbra streisand's house and like have lunch with her. We did that season. I think season one or I don't remember exactly what was the beginning of the season to wasn't not like it was march fifteenth. Zoe told me about it as that. She provided. All the female main cast members. That's right you're right. How fortunate we should have invited you but I was on a main cast member so I get it but man. Wow that was a day brunch and we stayed through dinner. Why they're a longtime. She is very generous with her time and also very proud of her home. There's like three on the property. Oma God so we went on a tour of her properties. Like you have never seen like every nook and cranny of these houses and the there is a factor museum in the House with all her old Pasta House and stuff and there's like a candy store and then a wrappings your room and you go in and like pretend to buy stuff As we all you got everything we thought it would be like not real. It's real it's a real like US closet like her daily one where she wakes up puts on her makeup. That one do and it was weird. Because gyms there the whole time just like own Barbara like you know he is. He's so normal and like we saw their bedroom and they don't even have a king bed. It's like a normal no little bedroom. It's like so funny. All they cuddle. Yeah they're very cuddly. They're very sweet and romantic. Its physical funny funny couple. Because they seem so different words I think it works because he like normalizes her at the root of who she is. She's still this poor girl from like who has real like confidence or something. It's like the route of her is very basic. Gotcha and then. It's all been around her like she's been famous for so long that she almost like. It's like normalized somehow. I can't believe y'all show. I never met her. I can't believe that either. You didn't meet her. I missed a rap. Brown had a show. That was your husband. You're should you get to meet her? Clone dogs yes. We actually met the first real one. That was her name. Sammy Sammy so we were around. When Sammy was still alive then Sammy died. It was very sad. I sent them a gift. I actually went to house of intuition. Favorite like there's Oh it's amazing. You know those candles that say like gratitude suggests money just got society literally went yesterday. Guess I went like three days ago and guess what's in my currently burning in my bathroom. Right now is money and success and by my bed is gratitude. Oh my God I just felt success. So what she was talking about these candles in. You're supposed to light them. You can't blow them out for three to five days. Basically until. They're they burnout burnout. Yeah and you like make a wish when you set your la. Very like Hippy dippy Essen creativity and at the end of it like when it dies. The Candle Burns out there. These little crystals little rocks at the bottom. And so you're supposed to get them out and save them and keep them in your pocket or whatever and my husband will constantly. I have like thousands of these candles. You guys saying I'm a psycho I truly by like ten at a time crazy person and he'll find these little fucking rock swear. Yeah of course like everywhere. And he's like these are not they are Ross rocks garbage but them away like these things. I'll be like no there and you're like rubbing out like this house and like you think I manifested this sucker. I truly believe in that shit though. It go reminder. I had not told the story on the PODCAST and I didn't even realize I had told Jackson story but four. I met her like a couple months before I met her. I had been dating different people at various times and it was never like the right person. There were it was never. It was always long. It was never great right and I was just so tired of dating people that didn't WanNa commit or just a wrong for me and my Manager took me to the house of intuition. Is this Hippie dippy store rate and I got like a palm reading so la and I saw a love candle. Go where suppose one of those candles that supposed to like. You set your intention tug about what you want and love and a partner so I was home and I lit this Campbell and I think I said something like I want a partner that this and this and this and loves me and I'm not having to like chase them. They WanNa be with me. All these lit it and I didn't realize because Tommy didn't say it lasts three to five days right hand. This candle forever. I would leave the house and have to put it because you can't you have to leave? It ends output in the middle of a pot with water. We had an earthquake. That would just fall apart. It took like four days three or four days until it went to the bottom and I met her two months later. No see they work guys? I'm telling you how that's such a cool story. Did you save the rocks at the bottom and give him Dr no realism horizon? You'll get those getting really mind burning in my bathtub. I'll do the same thing. There we go on so we go. We'll have to put in the shower. Figure IT OUT. I'm out you can't shower for three to four days you've been with Jason. Your your husband for how long we have been together. Since two thousand four we met how four I totally with sneaky and like made him date me. How because I was a little Hussy okay and I was obsessed with him because when I met Jason and New York this was right after nine eleven and he was marketing Not right after but several years later but he his business had shut down and then he became like a model he was a male model was zealander you know he and I was obsessed because he was like doing that in the intern before he found another marketing job. What he does now own though a my very good at the time was dating his roommate. Oh I see so you were yeah and I was like what hat like situation and we he used to work at. This restaurant called food bar on eighteenth in the middle of like Chelsea with all gay dudes right right. He and his roommate were the only street dudes that worked there. They made so much tips. It was the best. We go for watermelon margaritas watermelon margaritas stocking now. I wish we had one eight now. They were so good and I was like kind of dating. Other people. Lake. Not really believe had gone a couple of aides so like two months into dating Jason. I was like this guy like won't stop hounding me at my acting class. He really wants to ask me out but I said I have a boyfriend like hanging out really use it. That like he literally did not like. What do you want me to say to him? Like can I go? Alison say literally. Ask Me what should I like? Can I go out with him or like look? What many findings like. No baby called me. Babe all the You don't go out with him like we're that and that was it like I had to. I felt like the pressure. I never had to like guys. Don't like to from what I know. I know a lot about guys. They don't like to think there's competition there's competition and they wanNA win as competition. Yes so he but then he also like like later I was like. Did you know that I was like lying? He's like yeah. Of course thought it was that you were like trying to make me jealous. He does even to this day. He doesn't get jealous very much very confident but we were together in dated until two thousand thirteen. Wow a longtime got married got married two thousand thirteen and we had kids in two thousand seventeen so we were married for like four years and you always knew you wanted to have kids orgy. Yes yeah I would say I would say so. I think that I had not thought of exactly like the timeline in that like I wanted to be married for years in like it wasn't like a cookie cutter but I knew that I wanted to kids. I loved kids. I was a preschool teacher. I was a Montessori Preschool teacher so I knew that I loved kids but I was in no rush up that way like there was never a point where I was like. Oh God I'm in my late thirties. I need to do this. I always felt confident that I would get pregnant. You'll be fine. That's just kind of how I am in my life in general I don't tend to stress. Stressor worry because I wasn't raised like that and I have a lot of very very close friends. Were Jewish la. Since I've moved here they were like me. I've never met more about everything the anxiety just around everyday life and I don't have that I just remember being like oh I guess we should start. I guess we could. We could try. I was on this and then we got pregnant that month. Oh why am kind of an I? Don't worry about things not working out because I always just feel like whatever is supposed to happen does and then the good and the bad has allegations and they balanced and I'm so grateful for my times of trial or whatever and even in my life New York and and my acting coming up just because I feel like I wouldn't appreciate what I have. If you book the first thing you get for example as an actor or get the first job you have replied to out of college or whatever you're how are you ever GonNa know what it's like to not have we you want right. You'd think it's always going to take it for of. Yeah and then I. I wasn't raised in a way where like things were not handed to me really hard and I think that that's why I have such a good work ethic and honestly worry about my own children now I have to And they're gonNA be raised in a much different worlds right like a very different world. There are friends and everything around us in our house like everything is very different and I just want them to know that they are going to have to work hard to. Yeah you know I will say. I don't know if it's because you're a preschool. Teacher your kids seem to always have like the most activities. I'm like honestly keep thinking of all these things for them to do their. We're taking a wagon. Whatever store now. We're building I know. Our kids are booked. Solid like that from your preschool. Well my mom was a free schoolteacher teacher so yes part of that is ingrained in me and I watched my mom work at the library and teach and kind of. It's always been around me. I know you're a teacher so you can speak on this like if you're around it it just kind of in your nature to think of honestly like projects right and really early on as a nanny nanny also for five years in New York. Yeah I saw that. The biggest kind of flaw in parenting is giving children too much free time because that's when they get like they honestly get like anxious and anxiety ridden if they have nothing to do and that's when a lot of people just like here watch watch a show and that's not the answer so. I honestly feel like I do things within like an hour. Forty minutes to an hour is like the Max on one thing. Can they always get tired? So even if we're home In the morning by eight o'clock she's Antsy to do. Somethings God then. We go outside. We'll take a walk and then we'll play in the water like things will take doesn't have to be a big thing but it's just that keeps their attention right and also they're not stuck on an IPAD because that also makes them really cranky does watch shows now. She's to two years and five months and when I had my second child three months ago I really started letting her watch on his MOMMY TIRED. I have to feed the baby and she wants to be around and I noticed too like if I give it to her and don't make it so like no. She gets almost bored of it after three minutes like their attention. Spans at this age are very very short. Also things like just playing outside in the dirt playing in the sand playing with the trees. We look at the trees and I every morning. Back to hippy dippy. I'm very much like let's say thank you to the universe. Let's say thank you to the world. Thank you for another day like everything is so beautiful and the world is supporting us and it feels so nice. Doesn't feel nice out here and it's good to have fresh air and I try to encourage her to like look at the universe in the world memory in as kind of part of her and not just like this thing that we use right so I'll appreciate it. Yeah appreciating the trees and the flowers and the birds likes. We understanding by grandma used to do that with me right on my grandma to to. I think it's a generational thing I'm trying to instill in my kids. Yes she did. This trade you kind advocates a cherry tree bird. This is hardly burnt. Important kids remember. I remember my grandma did the same thing. Yeah Yeah I feel like if we had kids Jackson would be good at like they'd be doing centers. Yeah and I would be like what's going on you. There's a lot of places in studio city for kids to take classes so I I'm a nerd of and so he researched the best of the dance place. The art played. She'd be like yeah for sure. And there's this thing called outside the box that at a very age you put your kids in like strobe lights and like buckets of Pasta and like get them really used to like being out of their element so that they don't freak out and it's supposed to help with autism social anxiety at a later age because they're able to handle Bach. I wish my mom had and I know for me. Yeah right I mean literally. I'm like this is amazing. Because they they're kind of inundated with every week it's a different thing like one one week it was body paint on their whole bodies and then we would put them in the dark at five months old like crazy and like I noticed that adly never gets rattled like she's able to handcuff like wherever we go loud anything she just kind of looks around and I think that probably it's because I've had her around people in classes for life. I have a question for you. Do you think you would have wanted to have children if you were still teaching preschool interesting. Like if I yeah Yes I think. Ultimately my answer is yes. The reason I pause is because now that I have children and I understand how much time and money they take. I think that I am happy that I waited too late for my career in life where we're at the point where money and help is not an issue and I can have fulltime help but I think that had I been in a preschool teacher. My life would have been very different race and I think that people obviously have children all different circumstances. And they're fine. You don't need a fulltime any. You don't need everything that I have right. I'm very lucky again but I like it this way so. I'm glad and I think that if I had been a preschool teacher I probably would've had to have my kid in daycare which a lot of my friends do. And you don't have a nanny and you you work or I would have ended up staying home. Yes Jason worked so I think that I would say ultimately yes but it's a very different life it would have been very different life. And that's what I used to say to her. I couldn't imagine though teaching all these children home to kids. I agree and still having the patience for my own child and you know what? I don't know you're right if I was still teaching. I think that maybe I would like either not want kids or I would have to quit teaching kids because even now when I'm with atty like for a full day or a week we don't have help on the weekends so again I mean I mean one day mommy needs one all day like I remember. I was supposed to do this. Podcast like a month ago and it was. I didn't know how hard it was on the weekends with two right. And you are just at your wit's end all the time and the differences you don't get a break. I used to get a break like addy would take a nap and I have two hours to myself. I go and do something. Jason Good Sam not anymore because now there's there's two and I. I'm still learning how to do it but I'm still. It's only three months like it seems like I've had him forever but it's still in three months. I know and I think that to have to go back to school and teach like kids weren't mine. I'd be like fuck that and also like the teacher's salary God bless enough have so much respect for these years. 'cause makes my heart break. They should be paid everything I know for one hundred percent you know so. Are you good at two or is Is Done I mean I think two is such an. Should you have a boy and a girl all boom there and they're so speed together and? I think that I'm older geriatric one but don't tell but now everyone knows but it's fine but like the thought of getting pregnant again my forties. No no no the longer the harder the older you get the harder it is to get your body back and get everything back. And I'm tired already. I can't imagine and then you're spread thin and you'd say not to. It's two on. I don't like it I was just GonNa say right now. It's even once you have a third child. They outnumber you things. Just get progressively like worse seller chaotic. It was chaotic him. I saw you had There were three of us. Yeah and now I think we drove our parents and say I'm sure so because I didn't and we were all three very active kids. We all three sports a year. We're in every club imaginable. Every girl scouts boy scouts our parents were run running ragged so. My grandmother stepped in a ton. And Yeah so. I don't think if we did ever have more for whatever reason one of our parents would have to move here for sure because also childcare so expensive in La. That Lee at this point like don't even go out on the weekends like we stay home or we bring the kids and I don't like for example like with Atalay was really good at doing photo books and like doing all this shit and it's true like with your second. I haven't taken one picture of Alden Lake. I forget it's his birthday like thing like today. I was up and down the stairs as we put that kid. I can't recall. Remember where he worked for his birthday. I can't even think daylight with Adelaide. It was like I had the outfit. Yeah much more on top of it so I just think it must get progressively worse the more children you have so yeah so well. I think you've hit your. Two's good good feeling great. I'm recovered. I feel fine like sleeping. Our BABIES SLEEP A lot. So that's I know people complain a lot but I we get. We're lucky and they both seem so happy. They are yeah I think so just just this is great. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa push these still love her brother. That's really yeah. Awesome the other thing. I don't understand is stories. Yes you let her use permanent markers you are something I W I was like. I should know sharpy and let me tell you something. This is something that I learned more recently than before I pick my battles with Adelaide especially right. I pump as you know and I have these sharpies all over around my part to label my milk and I'm GonNa tell you something I'll say to her. She'll be like mommy. I want that Marker. Mommy the black one because at the black one and I'm like Adelaide. You can't have black when you can have this one and I'll give her nineteen thousand other markers. She doesn't want anything to do with any open. A brand new package market nothing. She wants the black one. So I learned to pick my battles and I'm like fucking here. You go like here like it's not worth. It's not worth fighting over that one. I have other things to do so I give her the Sharpie and let and she. Her life has been made like yes. She is happy for forty five. Minutes markers ruin or couch. And she's very nice. How I make no but like even that like wooden bench that we always have the right on. I'm really messier. Glitter paint and my husband was very clear. I was GONNA say she calls him. Mister Clean Clean I when I saw her with Sharpie. I was just like old guys. How is this? He's laughing and I wondered if it was because you were like this. La Parent. I find like there's so like no like yes mike. It can have any when I was teaching kindergarten. Your parents like by me. Huge packs of different colored sharpies. We like it twenty kids. I want twenty-five sharpie. I did do it. I made it a center. Where at my guided reading table where I could monitor them and then they loved it and art projects that they could do with the sharpie but yeah they love shows lake but leave it up and I don't know why but we knock. What have been lucky. That Adelaide has not really drawn on the couch too much. There's a couple of mark but like we can hide it when stuff but I that the Sharpie is truly one of the things that people are constantly like Darby and that mench though Jason loves the bench bench it looks like a piece a pile of Pu but it is. It was expensive and it's like rustic or whatever you know it's an antique and it's a Shithole now so now we're just like it's trash so we're just going to finish it right and don't know where he just plant finish it and then they'll seal it then it won't make mark or something you young but the sharpies around the couch. I do have to watch Yeah and I'm going to actually have her start doing it. I think on her little coloring table in the corner. But she every day every single day. When I'm labeling my thing she wants that Mark I get and I can't. I've tried to use a different marker and it won't down the thing well it's like I have to use it. She wants me accents now. Pick your battles. That's where I came to that so I don't know if it's too soon to tell but has having kids affected career stuff at all because that's for me always the right What would I would say zero percent not nothing nothing? The only thing I would that it affects is your ability to prepare audition like I used to be. You know a teacher at Leslie Con. I take pride and being very very professional and being very prepared every time I go in a room right and I'm I am still able to like run it with a couple of friends and have some people that I call but like as far as getting like fully hair and makeup and like roughly looking like my outfit and all that go in like this that that part it takes time. I also I would say like. I'm more tentative to not want to go in on projects that don't shoot here or if it's a really dark something about like killing people and all this. I'm not really in that mindset right now not that I ever happened. I'm a comedy girl right but like that's not really my vibe and so if I'm going to take time away from my children at this age when they're like teeny tiny and they're so sweet and they're not in school yet but it's really only five years rate and then they're inputting kindergarten so I'm kind of like I've already made it two and a half with Addie so have another two and half years and I kind of just feel like if it's GonNa take me away from them. I WanNa love it right and I've been lucky that for the past two Hundred Years. I basically been on a show so I've been fine with that so now it's just like my next project. I'm really being kind of picky. And more in the middle pilot season right now. So we'll see by the time this airs. Maybe a half a show notes this week. Probably not but like. It's a different feeling going in his mother because I just WanNa make sure I love it and then it's shooting here. Yeah really you. His both. We have to find do Jackson. Ever has this many She's definitely love and I was going to ask if you are open to doing sexy if that was even something that you would have done before I wanna see this thing. I'm thinking that more. Because she did some like little guest spots right the l word and there were a lot of Razi sex. Yeah not with fortune right rowing. I was there on there for like two seconds. I mean that was like one of the big things I'm like. Gosh like if she's what I would do right. Would you do a sex scene? But they're gonNA be prejudiced romanoff to smoot somebody. Sure I mean I don't that's Jason's rule too good so when we were doing life in pieces and had to make our season one and two. I mean a lot with Tommy and he would always say listen. If you're going to work all day making out that's what I get to do a Freebie. I'm like I like that. I don't like that Jason Over Jackson. It like I mean. Listen what I do a sex scene sure like. I think I've had to do a couple and I think I'll have to do them again. Oh you have your like in like indie films or a couple of the pile of vitamin visas. Bron panties and do like a sexy mattamy bar haven't had to do like a sexy longtime but I I don't know how I feel about nudity. Unless it's something like really cool like yeah like like starting also like it like a lot of these shows and I'll watch the sexy and I'm like what did that is at it so I think I'd probably be pretty picky about it. Yeah for sure and not for my kids just because like my tits have now been feeding babies for two years back so I did from Adelaide. Pretty uneven now like it is weird but I think breastfeeding helps and I think I learned how to eat better after Adelaide I lost. I got really skinny after work out all the time to work out a lot. It makes me like sane right like for me. My workout is the same thing as like my meditation like I have to do it. Otherwise I spin out immigration person. You don't WanNa hang out with me if I have meditated you guys that do that Tracy Anderson Class. I don't know what it is about y'all but all your put your phones down at the bottom you can see so you can see up and it's always a boob shot and you're always sweating your asses off so hot pumping your legs in the background. Is it part of the class? They like okay. Everyone get your put it on. You follow that goes to Tracy. Do you remember that? Oh that used to be a trainer at Tracy's exact workout under her name now. So there was always that low angle. Yes always boobs. Yup So it always made me laugh. It'd be like working out again and chasing actually was like stop it. I can see where for some women they would see that and be like oh I want to sign up for. We're like I say you're like what would I do with my hair because right like you get that soaked every day you put it in the Bun war. Yeah I'm letting our drags heights and I'm like dying your workout of choice hiking. Yeah yeah play soccer tonight. Though I do you play soccer to a twelve year old. Boy You watch it though. She used to that fun to watch. I'm we're all old ladies. That's so fun I'm soccer. Yeah Yeah like a fun. I've been doing it since two thousand five. It's like the one thing I've held onto like early twenties. And you know all the the girls. We don't really hang out much at all outside of that but your team is changed so we have a lot of turnover break with the coach. And I've been the Oggi's from the beginning of the team. I love it actually I. When we first started dating come visit. I would go with her and watch her games. And I like became official Because she said if I make a goal during this game like my girlfriend she did she liked it a ahead by very impressive head but go. I said you gotta be my girlfriend. She was very sick back. Would you consider yourself a good soccer player? I consider myself a good athlete and I can do every Lots of sports well. But I'm never gonNA be like some twenty year old run circles around me but you can control the ball. Yeah yeah that's awesome. I'm the best the best board. I'm really good tennis player. That's my best really. Yeah we never even seen me play tennis. I hurt my shoulder a couple years ago so I'm not as good as I used to be but I still good tunes played. Oh my God I loved. I used to play all men when tournaments dizzy sat. Is that a person. No I get oh I thought you said us in a league with mostly like ninety eight percent of them were men amazing. Yes that was fun very cool. Did you play in college? Where did you play? I mean a small women's College I was like division three right like you know. When my best friend played for purdue yes she was and she won like state in California or something like back to kill me but I I was. I hold my own right. I love playing some fun. I like tennis because of the skirts. And because I love my tennis courts like mom I need lesson because huntly this boy. Huntley played and he was like so hot and to this day honestly. Hotly that's right. So are you still coach? 'cause you said you moved to La. Do you start coaching. Not The Sports Star coaching tennis at Leslie went to Lizzie conferences. A student has I moved here thinking. I was like fucking tough shit. It was so hardcore coming from New York and I went to school in Indiana so I was like music. Nerd music major. Oh no so. That's why I moved to New York to pursue ultimately musical theater. Yeah I thought it was GONNA be a Broadway Star and back then. This was two thousand one. I'm aging myself. But whatever and the early two thousands television is not what it is now right. There was like ten shows on and everyone in New York at that time poop who to L. A. And Act does very serious right so I was like this you know. Tv's for the birds and did a couple things in L. A. But then I wasn't booking any like Broadway shows. I did a couple of workshops and I got close to a lot of things but the bottom line is like I have a very good voice and I'm a strong mover but I'm not like Broadway like showgirl material so I started really. I was already teaching this whole time. I was teaching. I started nannying instead of working so much and then I got into commercials. Yeah and I started looking a lot of commercials big commercials that paid me a lot of money all of us. I was like Whoa. Yeah what is this world? What does La gas that was here in New York? Sorry that was guy and then my husband who is just my boyfriend but was like I need to move to. La For work for his work because a very successful food companies are six years left the modeling industry and did food. He basically started making of model. I mean working night. He had this amazing organic granola snack. His shoots it was way ahead of its time it was like. I'm free and all nuts like all this stuff and I did really well at target and Costco and Walgreens and Walmart like across the country was like actually very successful company. And that's why we moved here because he had to start producing it in the Kelloggs factory picked it up and he was started making like amounts of this granola. Yeah and I was like okay. I guess we'll go to La because at that point. I was like maybe tinkering with TV. This was in two thousand nine and I was like. Maybe there's something there and then I moved here thinking I've already booked all these commercials like whatever I started auditioning and like no one cares. They were like you're no one yet but I did. This doesn't like no one cared so then Brett Greenstein did you ever. Have you ever been for Brenton Daniel Colin and Daniel Greenstein? Whatever they're casting. Yeah they were like you're really funny but you're messy to go to lesbian on US and learn how to clean up your jokes like how to be sharper. Basically right and I'm a nerd and so I was like what's what's this. There's a place that can teach me to be funny right and I took that class very seriously and within a year was on a show like I feel like I learned very quickly and I did my intensive in two thousand late two thousand ten and by two thousand and eleven I had booked a couples co stars very small and then a guest star and then I booked my first pilot in two thousand twelve so it was like a pretty quick tournament but like right if you look at the trajectory my life like I had already been graduated from college for ten years. It wasn't like quick to me. It seemed like forever but I had lived in La. Yeah for not that long. I DID LESLIE CALLING FOR TWO WEEKS. You all the time. I feel like she takes responsibility. Prayers Watch the funny thing is it was too structured for me. Because I'm a stand up when I get hired. They tell me to make up half my scenes right so it's like well you know we shelby toes gone through their. Andrei like a lot of standups through there to learn how to translate your stand up to yellowish yeah. Yeah for sure. Yeah but yeah. I remember having to have the meeting with her. She was like Sawsan me up and Oh yeah she's she's amazing but also the worst best and the worst and I remember when I had my meeting with her she was kind of she was like you need to lose some weight and get some layers and maybe some highlights because I was straight up. I look like a nanny like I was wearing lots. And like I was not okay like I was and I and she was also like. You're more of leading lady than you think I think got. She was like you think you're more of a character because I had come from the New York theater scene where loved dive into these scenes for weeks on end like terror. Departures gotta learn the material overnight. Make some choices and she was right. I'm not that I'm I emily. I'm more of a leading lady than I am. My character actor for sure and she was right about basically everything coming here I got some highlights start wearing jeans and a push up Raargh. Oh that's pretty much what it is. That's what I start doing. Yeah and some want you know it is what it is but you've got to look like what they see they see was one thing. Yeah you can't come in looking like something else or you're acting camp something else right. Yeah very true to who you are. And that's what people expect and that's what you book. Yeah I was kind of walking. In not the way that they saw me and that's fusing because it's a medium of images quick as they make a decision on you very quick. Oh Yeah I learned that when I was booking pilot that I sold sure right right when someone walked in the door if they were right or not go. Oh my God. I didn't realize it was so well. And that's your point. It's almost like just meet me. Don't make me say your words because you're GonNa know if you like me anyway. As eventually like onset you can get someone to say your words will cut and paste and make it work. But if you're not the person don't bother right that's kind of how I feel about pilot season in general and all of this big song and dance but now that you know the how to teach you helps you lot with auditions Arkansas. Yeah like I have a break it down. I know how to break the scene down. I also just know like what they want and I know how important the words are and I also know what's not important like I think. Sometimes people worry too much about the words and they're like in their head about like. Oh I said this is like no. It's more about are the right essence. Do you bring the right thing to the character. Do you understand what this characters going through. Understand where they came from and where they are going to in the next scene right also like his people. Don't think about now not at all and also the bottom line is whack like who knows. It's all changing. It's the wild west right now and the kind of like what you're saying you're doing your podcast. You're doing this. You're doing that. Like people are kind of doing and creating and everybody's a million things because nobody knows what the thing is. It's going to be the thing that gets people to watch your thing and how the thing even the people that have the thing cares right. How many times have we seen that? People are so obsessed with a certain thing and then a couple of years later they. Where did they go? We also fun added a college show this past weekend and they rattled off my credits. Whatever she did this Jennifer Aniston just filmed with Jennifer Garner. And she did this. Tv show this TV show. They don't care they go. What Youtube Star you worked with So it's just youtube out for the younger folks but it's my friends with like eight year olds or ten year olds and I don't know if that's the that's not called L. but like they all watch instead of even net flex or whatever they watch like these channels on Youtube. You watch their favorite people like. I don't know what they're even doing. And they are obsessive with the Youtube. People are making millions of dollars. We're just trying to work towards trying to work it out over here. Do you have an ultimate goal lake anything that you want to accomplish? You haven't I would like to remain prevalent and important in the world of television for many years. I'd like to have a very long career in television. I'd like to have a career like Julia. Louis Dreyfuss or Muskogee Day. Where like you're either on a show for a long long time or just keep going from show to show because. I love the medium of television. You're inviting people into your home. Which is a very intimate space. And I'm a nice fun person and I think I bring that to television and I'd like to keep doing that. Yeah and I think eventually I'd like to create. I've pitched before the nothing's ever sold but like I'm kind of new at that. I shouldn't say many times. I've done it three times. And now I'm in this world of animation with undone Which is this new show doing. Amazon? And I feel like that's a really interesting space where we're just kind of discovering wrote a scoping in particular so. I'm hoping to like make my way into that world also and keep creating voices because I've always loved that and this is not voicing it's actually my acting and my person and then they home runs. What's actually not at all animation interesting? But I'd like to get into that right. Yeah and I'd like to be at the place where I have my own like pod and I'm bringing people in and like meeting with writers like hashing things out and just becoming more of a creative force I think for my children and myself just in general like to them not always waiting around for someone else to hire me why creed amount content but I really just want to make money. A lot of money burned that success can say from experience your delightful per song as fortunate to be friends with. Yes so you guys are so so lovely and thank you for having me on this podcast. Where your instagram? What's your hand? My handle is honestly Cabrera. Just my name. My twitter is my same thing I think my facebook is the same but like I'm really bad at facebook them until you write a check out an instagram. Especially because she like ends two stories all day like it's like a television show truly it just keeps Jack's fully entertained we always DM back and forth. Yeah you so much. We appreciate listening. 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3137: Jump the Fence w/ Sue Costello

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

1:12:59 hr | 1 year ago

3137: Jump the Fence w/ Sue Costello

"<music> welcome keith and the girl. I'm keith malley ladies and gentlemen. Let's get right into it from kostelic on fox last comic standing the fighter. She was the fighter sukhoi stella. Hi hi everybody having me back. Ah great comic tough crowd of course all of them yeah only thing i've been around the boys forever you've been comedian for. We're going on thirty years right thirty years. You still love it. I love it more now than i've ever loved it. We might leave of his people. Say that to me. That like see you've been treated like shit. You have to love comedy. Shoe was on keith girl once before this was back. You know how long ago this how long because i got such a good re- i mean your listeners were like amazing. They enjoyed you. They were amazing six and a half years ago. Really what happened. Did i do wrong. Oh just bringing up january twenty fifth twenty thirteen you. I can hear the episode it's called. It's numbers one thousand seven hundred thirteen. We're in three thousands now. Let's call don't look keith still get everything right right there. You i follow you on social media of course and you are on fire recently ran into hampton the city and you're like listen to what i got going on in my life thirty a year's a like finally coming together. It's it's it's it's literally a testament of don't have a quick okay. It's like a human story where you like. Don't have have a quick. I'm going to hear all about it and i want you to know that you're not the only one on fire today. Hesse had the yellow people right outside our house this very morning good. She's but she she normally doesn't do that. I know i like it like that. You could. I want you to do stand up. You know that i'm going to do a show here in queens and we're going to have yeah we'll get to that happening. It's great the only comedians do that. Though knock doctors you know what you care about the human body tomorrow anything that this is what happens this morning so i'm in the shower and and i hear stuff outside and there's a lot of stuff going out inside like general construction and also the next door neighbors have this list. He's drunk constantly. This drunk i painting getting their friends and both blossom. Kency tries to talk so here's someone tried alike. I think say something but you never know. There's a lot of construction people yelling at each other and also i'm in the shower. I'm in the shower. The window is totally open because my backyard is private but all of a sudden i see grown men jumping over the fence onto into into my backyard. Well you can see absolutely and my my shower. Curtain is half clear so like you can see me in the thing and i know they saw me because 'cause i know like you can't help but turn your head to open window and i'm like i'm making and now zirk seizes in the house and i don't know if to be like people that are coming in because i don't want them to hear me right so i opened the door. I'm like leaning out of the shower. Completely wet opened the door and inside your house inside my house. I'm still soaked up otherwise i would have just jumped out and so i'm i'm trying to like clean myself. I i opened the door and i just say zirk season. He's like what and i'm like. Never say what when i call your name just start coming. You know what i mean. When when do i go sixty. My music teacher said but i say jump. You don't say how high you jump that. We figure out the rest but i still in her telling them to come right away. I'm like to sound sexual. I'm all soup does so naked donham to come right away. I'm like i'm getting turned online china. I'm already turned on my story okay what he thought was happening. I need a towel or something so he's he's coming down but then i'm like no. I need more urgency and seem like how do i go like i need a code for favored yeah yeah yeah need like some sort of like. My parents used to have this word. Ten in maka means nothing but it meant something to them what it meant to them is your kids are annoying me so you hold onto them for a little while so i would go up to my father and and say mom says she needs ten in mauka and he knows like keep them around so there are men in the backyard and then he by the the time. He hears that he's down. He's naked we just he's naked new this morning story. I knew i could the best bet around as a jerk so as soon as you come down off the bed yet you you could see the backyard also so the men looking at him naked to now and so he throws on some clothes and then by then he comes in i to to close the 'cause i'm like the shower window and whatever so he comes into close the shade by then i scrubbed soap off so fast i grabbed my towel and in my my head i'm like i am going to lose my shit. Okay that louis michel like because i'm trying not to like. I'm not that i'm trying. Non people jump your fence. I think you're allowed to lose your shit but i'm trying <music>. I'm trying to see if like those ever need to lose your shit. You know but i'm when people jump your advantage finding the whole time you're talking. I'm thinking as a woman. This triggers rig is a lot so it triggers a lot so then the level of rage that comes out tends to be from lots of yam but i'm so how do we speak up without being because also they. You don't listen to you when you're in a rage. They love when you're underage because then they can just go. You're but you're also nobody listens to you when you're in a region. I don't want to be in a rage but i'm already like i. I was fucking naked while men were like literally jumping into my backyard and i'm watching them. You know and like these are big grown. There's three of them so as he's closing the window. Now i put on my towel robe thing and i opened the door and i was a kid right now. Dr. confess while i'm in the shower. Do you think this is okay to i just beat here and unlike definitely losing my shit and then answer comes in he like never interrupts when i'm in an argument with someone and never like like he's very high aware of like the sexist aspect of like. Let me let me speak for you or even like interject to stay that. You can't do it but at the same time i'm like losing my shit and he goes what he so so calm yet like not aggressive but like in their face limited all of your names and all of your numbers and what is the what is the number for the work order that you're i want the work order number. I want olives on it goes. It's verizon men. They go as soon soon as i go with. The fuck is wrong with you and shit like that. We're just doing our job and i'm like oh no. You're like gas gas light gas like i'm like you're just doing your the job. You think you're the guy i have a doorbell fucking ring my doorbell and no he didn't ring my doorbell. Why do you jump into somebody's backyard. They're like so we just all we know is what is doing our job. We're allowed to be here mild shit like that and i'm like i'm trying not to blackout from the stupidity and so he chimes in and i walked in every day of our lives sound like they're they already have their story. Their story is they have permission from somebody to jump my fucking fence. Whatever permission that you like even if you have permission ma'am fourteenth amendment you no matter what permission you don't you know that like you should feel comfortable right now like i'm in my robe wet still so then he starts talking. I'm gonna walk away because this doesn't need to be escalated and i'm already live. It and i don't want to be in this space. He made a ma'am ma'am verizon. A telephone man is what we use to communicate with each other and it's not all cell phones for everybody man. Yeah i am is worse. We have now that goes right up you back so then they go meanwhile. They're trying to get your sexy body and then now now that i have my rose robe on him and i and it's my smaller ones. Don't let my kuching respect me by cujo title feminists do they start going like look at my eyes. Look at my eyes by now. I'm sorry but i don't man i'm sorry but i know exactly so they started with that and then when circus comes they're like we could leave you want us to leave and get the fuck outta here and i'm like holy shit and i just walk away because i'm like you know what doesn't need to be two of us and i'd rather start calming down and he's like really good at this. He's really not escalating it more but really being firm and he's just like get the fuck out. I want you numbers. I'm gonna you out and he went to meet them out front. He's still not wearing underwear but he wasn't even though he's pretty passive he's. He's a big looking guy to like. He big beard. He's built about him. Yeah he six two so like the thing is is he's. He's got like a very pothead vibe like very mellow very whatever but when he walks down the street like you don't know that because all you see is like a six foot two you know whatever whatever math guys do it happens. You know what i mean so anyway. I just calm down at while. He's in the front taking their number like their whatever badge number supposed to be whatever order number tons out my landlord gave them the okay to go in the back if no one told them or whatever i don't know if no one's home homer and so the first thing you do is jump effet yes but i you're shocked but i'm like yeah yeah yeah but the whole story you're telling right right now i literally reflective of what that was like a like a microcosm of the macrocosm of what's going on in the world right now like an alien yeah. Nobody knows what they do and like even yet boyfriend away from right yeah. Your boyfriend's like i don't know went to step in when not to step in and then the guy's like what are you talking about. I've always done this. Neil joe stop doing whereas cigarettes without it. Cut it on like okay lady. The are okay what no one has any idea like you have to talk through it now because no everything's changed yeah. I get that yeah like you. Don't know where the feminist lines are like when you're supposed to be enraged what anger anger is whatever but you know what i found it today and it was a good place to be mad and i confidently was just it's just that you're naked and people helping your hey. How do i calm down from this. How do i calm down a coffee misplaced. Ma'am ma'am ma'am our goal today wasn't to wake up in the morning and kids you naked in your shower. Then wasn't a meme. We didn't call each other on the phone go. Let's go to the middle easterns house and see if we can catch her naked the accident as if we know your house layout man. I think you're discriminating against me ma'am. We're still not sure that you are the only woman woman with bush in new york. City might be ma'am. I know somebody that could take care of. We're gonna go but i know his. I i walked away. Like what do we do what would happen. I don't even know where the wrong. 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I just don't wanna see that you do have to know right. It's like you're co-signing away when you hit like that so much. Where are you now yeah very funny like the manageable jealousy like how how much jealousy like. I don't have a lot of chelsea for oregon engaged but she rides a by twenty miles. Forget about it. I'm not i'm having alligator on. I'm not cool. How am i thinking ziprecruiter ziprecruiter for dates like you put your information out there and you wait and they find a qualified the candidate in a day. I will host interviews like crazy. Oh wait. I have a boyfriend i mean sue will hold what do i do. All i know is that ziprecruiter hasn't coming ma'am ziprecruiter. 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Do i say funny ziprecruiter. You said fun okay. I feel like my foreign comes. Ziprecruiter dot com slash k. a. t. g. I think when you get to the c. orrin recruiter if finishes it that's what i'm gonna guess. That's that's when you know what's popular all right. Let's get to sue let's get to this. What i'm seeing me god. Don't you worry we're talking about you. I'm not so i of course following you on social media and i also saw this interview did in april for a website called vanya land <hes> and during this conversation they decided to write in addition to the stage show. That's who does costello also has a new tv deal in the works with c._b._s. And it was her experiences while trying to get her career back on track that have shaped her latest goal in her work being human being creative an owning her art after a number of uncomfortable encounters with x. c._b._s. Ceo les moonves says says oh my god that's a name and others involved in her negotiation process to bring her upcoming project to production costello has made it a point to call to the service how how the abuse that women facing the industry stretches beyond physical and into the territory of intellectual property in addition to that she wants to make sure other seed there are similarities his between the sexual abuse and mental abuse she and callous other women that are part of the me too movement f as well as his words about the metoo movement stuff but but what what i said to him and and when i when he interviewed me with that i was still figuring out what happened to me with c._b._s. So i was still coming out of it telling the story helps you come out of it. That helps you with anything. Even even if it's sexual quote the sex intellectual property abuse very similar in terms of how men take from us without our consent yes. That's why i was why i went. I went like fourth streets beyond they address yet today because i was thinking so deeply about i'm very very fascinated with this idea of how they somehow make women whore no matter what and i don they they somehow engagement something and take from you like i said in that interview against your will they set you up in a way that you still bill somehow come out looking like a whore and the if the metoo movement didn't happen it wouldn't it shook the ground for me to be able to pull off what i did with my business and what i felt like during this whole <unk> during the metoo movement is that they don't necessarily take the women's seriously with the sex the shareholders don't they just don't care they keep burying it to keep aaron and i lived for two years. I watched is like these guys. Don't give a fuck. They don't care at all. They're almost worse than they were before. The metoo movement started and i remember thinking this sexism tactic and i said this i'm i did w t while i was going through all this with marc maron and i said that was so weird how i said because i didn't even know that less would be investigated for the sex stuff when i was in the middle of negotiating my deal while i was talking to mark so we just we remind people about less <unk>. 'cause i always can't keep up keeps up really well in remembers who did what he's up there with harvey once yeah. That's all i need to say. Ronan farrow went after him and did a two articles about how he sexually he. He was allegedly attacked women so you so you were doing a merrin interview on what the fuck before that came out and you brought up i met with less in july two thousand seventeen. I emailed him and said we meet with because a._b._c. Coming at me for a talk show and all the other networks come at me because i was talking about what it's like to be. A woman and i wasn't angry angry onstage about it they knew and now it was starting to come to fruition the sexism and everything and everybody's like oh. My god sues been around for thirty years and then all of a sudden it just gave like this extra a <hes> insight where people are like. Oh soo must have suffered so much sexism. She's been doing this for thirty years and then you go back over my career. I was on ninety podcast. I was on tough crowd. I was with brewer. I was j thomas. I've been in the fight with david russell and christian bale. I've been around men my whole career yeah and and definitely when less women were around unless opportunity for women were around so so around two thousand seventeen you started getting offers for talk shows based on this on the first of all back in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Les moonves gave me my first two t._b. Before ninety eight and the ninety eight was one costello came on so i i'm also one of the youngest only women who had their own t._v. Show which completely was like blown over even in my craving when i went to go headline they had other guys headline above me and i'm like well. Why is that guy headlining above me and they're like oh 'cause we base it on credits and on mike credits read it. My name is so on the shuttle. Character is still on the show and i even said that i'd carotid not bad about everything. That's happened to me in that. Was that was another thing that hit me now. So now. I come full circle. I go back to less than i am now. Everything's coming full circle to me and i'm like oh my god even on my t._v. Show they wouldn't let my name be super. Style changed it to murphy and i'm like it wasn't jerry smith with jerry seinfeld broke late. The sexism was so unbearable back then and i remember going. I wanna stand up new york. They were having a panel of women's panel about a women in comedy and i went there and i raised my hand. I was like i just came from the front lines. I'm like the sexism is so bad we have to address addresses or we can't just pretend i'm like we have defined. We have to address it emitted and then find a way around it so when you had this idea of her show. Did you go to less us for costello or for for about couple years so i had i had an idea of a t._v. Show in the back of my head and back with fellow i had met with people and they said that i should do a talk. Show oh two and so i was like i wonder if it sitcom or to talk show a._b._c. I met with them like twelve times. They wanted me to take over for katy kirk. They will literally like they and this has always happened to me. They've they've always known that i had this connection with people is what it is. I'm very human. I'm not hollywood elite. I'm working-class. I'm blue collar. I have my accent. I love people. I'm not a vacation lady. I don't need the money fuck off and what they do is try to trick you into this fantasy of this money. Everybody can be bought everybody and even when i have my t._v. Show they used to say to me like you. You want a house. You want a boat. You wanted. This and i had never been exposed to this level of greed. I was just trying to do my show. I was just trying to stand up and they were like you're gonna wanna house. You wanna boat. You're gonna want you're gonna want that and i'm like no. I'm not i just wanna do my show. I'd keep you on longer pay perfect now. They had to pay me 'cause they. Elsom negotiated my deal back with casella but again it wasn't about the money right always negotiated based on leverage. My dad was a labor mediator so he's taught me how to negotiate it. As a secretary secretary-treasurer the carpenters union and then he was labor mediator so my whole life. I grew up around negotiating so it leads to so you end up getting meeting with les moonves. That's a huge deal thin. This new starts coming out. Are you like of course university motherfucker now. I'm i've. I'm not joking so this is what happened. I'm telling you they've taken my money. They have liked tortured me in in the standup world. I'd torch league tortured me no joke. I'm not complaining. I mean taking your money so they came to me they wanted me to do this is how i ended up with less. Yes they came to me. They wanted to china-tour torn china. I think it was three weeks. It was really good money. Who's there some guy i did stand up down in the village and a guy who runs ends at toys in china canada he was. I forget what his name but he came to me and he's like we want you to come headline over in china. I'm a woman. I'm going to go to china by myself. So i go all right. We figure throughout the money. It's my whole summer the end of my some two thousand seventeen so he the guy emails me we had just said this off the mike actually so the guy <hes> about comics being them projecting that comics comics are not reliable so that's the story came from so he <hes> i was doing like i was doing a pilot now lay. I was in miami doing something else. I was headlinin in boston so i was traveling all this week in this guy emails me and he says so we need to passport and it was like three months before the tour and i said okay i send my passport expired soon as i get back to new york. I'm in boston boston right right. Now soon. As i get back to new york i'm gonna get renewed and he goes okay so this was like wednesday and then friday he emailed me again and he's like sue was your passport and mozilla this motherfucker mike i just how am i going to get. I'm in boston and so then i was like i have to be careful because if this guy's gonna push i have to push him back and see if i can handle it because i'm not going into china. This guy's gonna be this aggressive and same thing happens. Whenever you stand up too aggressive guy same exact thing so. I said dude i go. I told you i'm i'm going. That'd be back in new york on monday. I'm like we have plenty of time. I go. I'll expedite it. He's like well. Comics aren't reliable and i and i did this and i said can you respect me until i give you a reason not to be reliable. So then that night. I was walking onstage to headline semi an email and he's like. I'm cancelling the tour well oh so he literally i can't even there's been so many times in my career where it's like you get. Your insides ripped daddy. Do you think there's another reason he's not telling you. The truth or is it. That simple. Lady told me that simple. I've <unk> experienced it. I bill bloom in russia the wilbur in boston who i went to him and i said i want to shoot my my special in boston. I'm from boston. I want to pay for it. He said it'll be nine thousand dollars a show you have to do two shows and you can't sell any tickets 'cause you won't tell any and i had my wall street. Guy member was like a mafia via meeting. I had to swallow how sexist they are in order for me to figure out a way around and the guy was looking straightforward. I was looking straightforward. I said tell me just tell me what this is. This is guy just said this to me and i told him the nine thousand dollars and you won't be able to sell tickets and he goes that guy is willing to ruin his business just to fuck with you because you're a woman and i remember that same stomach feeling in my stomach dropped. 'cause i remember they rendered powerless like i mean jonah <unk> tobin same thing in boston. I sold up more than nick dipaolo more than bobby kelly and i stood up for myself because the guy who was emcee and went on after me and i say i don't want him going on after me. Never let me work there again. And then i saw him at bruce show this. This is the other thing they do then. I saw him at brewer show and he's like i'm like no. I'm like no no you don't get to say hi to me no right and then so then okay ought yeah and how does that lead to things keep happening and i keep going and i remember what i said. I'm like i have to figure out a way around it. I can't i'm not a victim. Don't wanna go complain. I'm killing. I'm selling out almonte and in new york said so you kill more than anybody who comes in this club and i hesitate to tell you then you'll be powerful so i kept hearing. It and i'm like this is really really painful. I'm like this is really what they do to women face it face it face it and then that day when the guy cancelled my my <hes> tour had no money for the summer and i was sitting at my desk in my apartment and i was like in a voice came down said supremacy less movies and i emailed them and i will meet with me and he said sure by the way little side that story. I know more than one club that when i started dating kyle <hes> didn't give her work because all of a sudden she wasn't an option for the owner to date and then mm-hmm now. She's being led back in again and this has happened to other women dating key too much for us. I'm like wait it out baby. Come on that's the business because they're insecure and i knew then the whole two years. I've literally did human forensics accounting on what the sexism is wade. White white took ten years for us today fucking cock walk right sorry so that's right so yeah. That literally is what goes on nobody's shocked. It's spending the news. It's like it's. It's so crazy to me. It's like it's in the news every other day so i i go meet with less and i'm in the office with them and i went for advice. I did not go for show. I went to find l. from him because i always knew he believed in me and it's weird. I almost went back to confront my- pass to in a weird way. It was like this unconscious like because he had something to do with your first this show might i two deals. I two deals. He fucked with my career so then so the story comes full circle to so i went back to me with them and i wanted to sit across from him. I wanted to be strong and i want and to be able to be like let's go. Do we want to do business like the boys that's the truth i wanted to and he was a guy and everybody kept saying and you're gonna go meet with god and i'm like he's not my god god's my god. I'm like i'm going and why. Why did you let me in his his office. That's what they thought. That's what i talked about that on the my w._d. Mark didn't like that either. I'm like why is it a white man who said griot right so he added at me he yeah he added make sure the whole way that the men the whole year tried to keep me down. I mean it's like a superhero movie. Literally my friend jimmy cummings don city of the city and the halley sue. You literally swam through the shocks teeth for two years. I'm like i know i did. They also underestimated me between the classism sexism sexism wait so let's let's all right and i go into the office and i'm gonna ask him for advice and all of a sudden he sets and how you making eleven highly making live and how you can live in how you making a living hi macon lebron baroness. I've heard men speak and that's really all they say is trying to get you to like cry like good will hunting t._m. Most this field desperate south us trying to break me down to my most desperate self and i knew it and i was sitting on that. He was sitting in his chair and i was sitting on. My couch wore a business suit on purpose. I don't know why i know to do that because you can't wear. Most of what do you mean. I didn't wanna win my voice. No that's it. I don't know i don't know i was just going there legitim- and so what did you did you ask him anything at this point. I was like what the hell is. I didn't even know what was going on because he was so crazy asking me how i was making living and then i i sat in my body and i was like i'm gonna tell him. I was gonna tell him. I consciously was. It was like literally like like to animals fighting without even any fighting happening because i was like i'm gonna tell him and i i said i said i told him i was broke. Most people and most women wouldn't tell people that he was broke. They were broke because they'd be afraid that they would get taken advantage of but then you don't call the question you don't call what's going on. You have to bring it out in order to fight the fight. I was literally fighting like a spiritual find so i said i i've been broken. The reason the other reason why i told him because i knew he was a failed actor and then he'd sold out and i knew it was gonna make uncomfortable that i was willing to go that far. You think those bother billion absolutely that's what people don't understand pibor for so people people are so people. That's how i beat him. Beat him. He went down because i beat him at his way to let have and you said and i'm telling you this in hindsight. I've talked two police. I've talked to a new york times. I've talked to reporters. I've talked to everybody by telling you. It's very clear now but i was not clear when it was all going on. I just knew inside side and so <hes> i told him that i was broke. I didn't ask him for money. That's what he was looking for. He's looking for me to say. Can i have some money. Ochre isn't told me to fill my play. That's what he said to me. He said film you play and i told him i was broken. My and that same feeling happened that same split in my stomach and i was like film. I play like i told him i don't have any money and i felt it was it was like he breaking me down to my most desperate self but that old sue was gone i didn't ask him and said okay and then he changed his tactic and then he was like all he was like like auditioning auditioning for me and then he was like you're a really good person and he started acting all weird and i was like i'm gonna go. It's funny how petty the monsters are rodger ales for example. This is reminding me of him right. How petty that he's got a breakdown of the little people to not only that the roger ailes story they put on showtime. I watched it on mike. Thank you for more information about what less did to me. You idiots so yes. That's how petty they are. That's how that's how and so i didn't know. I just knew that i wanted to leave the room so i left the room. When i got on the other side of the door i had this big surge inside side of me and i was like that felt sexual but i was in conscious of being sexual. I didn't know if it was our was very proud of myself that i didn't ask him for money and everybody in l. A. was like you met with less move listen. You didn't ask him for money and i was like i didn't go there for money. See how they pervert you right away. I was like i wasn't even if you didn't go there for. Did you say you went to for advice at first leather. I should do a sitcom komo weather. I should do the talkshow onto now but then quickly. It seemed to turn into you know what i'm gonna. I'm gonna i'm gonna tell you. I don't like the way you treated me. Am i catching that right. I don't know what again did you. You went there for advice at first and then it started getting in and then it took a turn where all of a sudden. I didn't know how would would i ever no red c._b._s. Would let me go into a room with a guy was being investigated as a predator. How would i ever even know that. I had to make my brain like really crazy and bad had to figure it out. When that comes out in the news oh not only that so so then i meet with him and then they fly me out to to pitch my show c._b._s. Flies has me out in front of every executive studio network. Everybody less is like sue. Everybody that's important. It's going to be in that meeting. I've all the emails with me and him so did that did that. Come come from that meeting yeah because i had a talk show i i mean i have my sitcom idea on the back of my head and when i told him he he he got really like 'cause the sitcom. Idea is really good and so then i but i didn't realize it again. I was just like going in for advice and kind of shooting the shit. I didn't know i was dealing with this kind of imagined. Twenty years later he probably got much worse sure then he was the twenty years before so anyway so they fly me out and they like totally try to humiliate you every step of the way like peter golden. You've got fight. He was like a puerto in code. I made them fly me out. I was like if you wanna come flying out and they like fucking flying. You ought to go by hung up the phone. Call me incessantly sa- i mean the story so long they sent me to the woman in <hes> in new york's get reprimanded. She's like you gotta call my guy friends because the metoo movement was not in having my guy friends who starting to wake up and they're like the fucking. Send you to go talk to a woman to be reprimanded. I going now and i just kept doing everything they told me to do. I kept taking the heads of kept taking the heads and then they'll like won't fly you on his. I put her and coach and for some reason that makes the women go currently beserk what you see on social media now you call it. The super hostile hit list right exactly no. It's not the hit list. It's instead of a sex offender. List is a su- offender sudafed tomorrow. You wrote this yesterday and it's exciting to be included. Tomorrow begins the press tour all about my at c._b._s. And you don't mind adding these people people at c._b._s. Deal the truth right starting with keith and the girl the op ed is almost perfect so you're working on italo like a written. Tell jisr i. I made sure that i wrote it all down clearly so that everybody understands what went on and when the perfect time comes i'm dropping it. All inquiries email sue fellow ellison this little big even assessable. If you want to save face now is your chance and ronan farrow. Do we like grown and i can't tell by this tweet now and what happened l. know what happened with ronan. I two ronin about the business that was going on and he completely ignored. The editor responded to me but he completely ignored me. I'm like you don't care about women. He just wanted to explain the woman. I mean what happened with the press with the sex stuff is just kept. Re traumatizing the women with the sex you guys just you're hurting. Women more you just keep telling stories about sex and mike stop it which i what should ronin have done instead because the time i thought ronan farrow nine hero he does made his career off of women sex. Let what was he is <music> outing these guys l. okay. But what good is it doing nothing changing but now i know stuff about less munez and i know like it's it's sort of blake. We would have to be in hiding about it. At least somebody is going like i don't mind saying names i don't mind saying that this person <hes> and then and then you have to tell the story story. That's what sucks about. It is like if you tell about a childhood trauma. You have to talk about your childhood trauma. I don't know i don't know if there's no they don't wanna talk about business. I'm not talking about childhood trauma. I'm talking about. I did business. I negotiated t._v. Deal with c._b._s. Unprecedented the w._g. A helped me and everybody's like what are you talking about like. Exactly what i'm talking about so the long story short what is they. I went out there that i had them sign in india which is unheard of it's no one's ever had network sign an n._d._a. Usually it's place. I obviously by myself had the network in the studio ten ten executives in the room. They push me around. They fucking shoved context in my face as they get outta my face. I'm andy a n._d._a. Nondescript non disclosure to my idea and then i started realizing all my idea is worth a lot of money. Look what they're doing. Look what's going on. Everybody's continent. I tried to get attorneys. I tried to get into treatment attorneys and the same thing happened. They started acting like animals corner me in the room and i'm like oh my god what and so finally i said. I'm going to negotiate my t._v. Deer and i had no idea that the ronan farrow article was coming out so i was fighting. Yes and i was fighting a war that i had no oh idea that i was fighting and they whether they out of control whether they thought i was going to cover for him. That's what i think. I think they thought that they were going to get my script. They i was going to be indebted added to them. I was gonna say less is a good guy against all. The women which would never going to happen is it. Is there a thing where you're upset that these articles locals are written only about sex and you're saying no. It's also about business and they go. I don't care about the business. I don't care about your ideas. <hes> we'll talk about me to sex. Is that aldering l._a. Times guy literally call me up and he's like what are your allegations whether you're allegations whether you're allegations and i was like dude stop. I'm like i don't have allegations. I'm talking about business <music>. I'm talking about being a woman i and then an artist and he's like i don't wanna talk about that. I go. I'm so sick of the press over sexualizing women. I'm like it's not moving us forward. I go no one will write a pro woman's story and my mother pointed it out to she said now these guys are gonna write a pro woman's story because they don't want to be the guy. The standard helps a woman stand up to the other guys mike. She's right all the goal. The articles have to be your europe the victim oh my god and then the guy i literally told him what i did and he goes. I think you really have a good story here. He goes. I think you have to start with your pain in that. You're afraid i'm like pain and afraid i just didn't let them fuck me unless moonves impede a golden went down. I'm like i know but that's what was going on and then mark edited the w. t. the f. drop the day before the less article drp and mark edited out all my powerful negotiation seven made it sound like i loved less so that dropped the day before article dropped so i signed my ideal two weeks before that but at the time didn't you like less because at the time you had a different a different relationship i had no idea generation should no oh idea. I knew that he was business. Wise like shady yeah for lack of a better word but i came back purposely to not do that again. I already had my own t._v. Show already know how it win so i went back on purpose in having the ball going. What was your vibe about less when you were on marc maron like what was your vibe. Before the the edited i talked all about how negotiations how hard they were and what went on and what it was like to be a woman and even the l._a. Times guys like you thought you didn't have a choice a choice. What are you reading the papers. I'm like what are you talking about their raping women every other day. I'm like a choice. I'm like no. We don't have a choice. Is how business gets done. You have to push through and that's what i did. I push just through the business. I pushed through all of it. I pushed the rough me up. I pushed through the whole thing and what happened. Was i got assigned letter. That's unprecedented so i couldn't talk about it because i was under confidentiality. Let at the deal expire. I didn't take the dirty money. 'cause i knew if i did that. Then everybody would see that they weren't honoring the deal on my gosh so you turn down the you went to you went to to make a pilot in l._a. And it didn't make the pilot and it didn't make the kind of go she needed to deal with them an unprecedented deal and then the less article dropped and then you drop them you know when the s less article dropped i am i god i was like they did something dirty with me and so i waited for two months to see if they would come logically a business would come to a woman and and say we don't want you to be nervous. We wanna buy nobody came to. Maybe the bigger problems to do. Not i mean quite frankly like like what they're dealing with. They're they're messing up if they you know made some mistake and you're allowed to talk about this letter now. I don't know if that's what you're saying or not but they're probably worrying about the their bosses going the jail so that their mind isn't on everything. You see what i'm saying but that's not underside at all. It sounds like no it's just the the process of things this this. Whatever happens like that part is working on your favorite yeah the they're like well more about the job of the hug on the fucking jail l. for multiple years. I'm not worried about this. I blew t._v. Deal like you think that they're worried about their company going down yeah so they're not like individuals going to. We're going to drop some things but even the way that you are interpreting that is part of the problem. I don't think so. I'm guessing why why i can see that happening. Isn't that good news. That happened now. You're able to talk about a letter. I just told you that i negotiated a deal that they were probably gonna use to cover for less so the chances of them being like oh. It's not a big deal. Oh are probably not true we would this. I think i'd i'm not following the the deal. That's gonna cover for less. How does that work. They would try i was i just sorry it again. That's right. It's very complicated. That's why it's hard to understand because they were trying to get the the script and then i would have covered for less and less wooden went down. I would've said less didn't hurt me in the office office less as a great guy they would've done my show so what they essentially going to do is use like me to cover for him as what happened and when i didn't fall for what happened and he went down that's why they didn't want to come in because the deal wasn't a real deal and you just like turn. I said that it was probably a dirty deal. You'll like oh. Maybe they weren't concerned about no they are concerned about that's why they were normally and then when i called the attorney the response i got from him was oh i took it. As if you there was a certain time they had to get back to you and then you you didn't have an n._d._a. Anymore and they get back to you on no no noisy over yeah. I know it's very complicated. I had because what they did is very complicated. What white collar people do is very very complicated. There are no fingerprints. It's very and they want it to be confusing. So people can't really say they were going down. They weren't paying complete bleed attention to what happened so essentially what happened. Was i out negotiated them. They didn't think that was ever going to happen. They thought they bet the house that i was going to do what they thought i was going to do. It was almost it's like. He was like drowning and he thought oh who's gonna cause. Remember pita golden called me and he's like less said you never going to believe who just left my office and i was like why is he so excited that i left his office. They the the idea was we're going to get sued. Who's gonna cover for me. I'm not going to go down because even the board of directors were like. We're not firing. We're not firing less. They weren't gonna do what happened today. Hey that you had a asong twitter you. You did a another negotiation. You took a picture of a guy hit assert that said wicked smart and because what i'm doing now is maybe the c._b._s. C._b._s. was a problem and i'm going to go further and get maybe go the emerging with viacom and maybe maybe they were a mess. Maybe they didn't maybe they were doing something shady but i still wanna do my show. Oh i still have the same town as well <hes> so you wrote this guy totally. Let me stop them and take a picture. It's a sign i just hung up from my dad after telling him how i leverage myself for an even better deal deal. I said that i trusted my gut. He said it's your street instincts nice. Is this the deal from before that we were just talking about it so they have their merging with viacom. The head of viacom is taking over the two companies shari. Redstone is the boss of both of those shari redstone as a woman. She's had issues with these men in the way. They've treated her too. So what i'm doing one is. I'm going beyond that yawn that shady shitty deal and i'm going big and i'm saying listen. Let's do like let's do real business. This is horrible the way they treated to me. You don't want people knowing that you treat women like this. Just stop it. The same thing i started went to less for. I've never been off of what i wanted. I wanted to do my t._v. Show laurence fishburne wanted to take it to a._b._c. Yes and they and i ended up in this mess for two years. That's the point so what happened was once. I saw the article came out. I realized they negotiated in bad faith with me and they needed to proved me that they were going to act in good faith with me and they would not do it. I'm i'm not saying this. I wanna be clear but is anybody telling you. Hey careful with all the people you're adding. You're really hitting at at a lot the people at the u._g._a. East writers guild of america <hes>. I said to an attorney there you pulled me into this. My sister who's an attorney came in came came to you for help and you did not help so this union basically right she said i don't agree said the attorney the attorney it's reality you cannot agree all you want but i have a contract attract. So of course i don't get that fully but i do get that your outing people zane by saying you might be ruined things or not what would i be. I don't know takes balls to add somebody. Would i be ruining your career howard. I ruined my career. They already. I see your brain. It's like the system gets into <hes> mel brain in such a way that to me. That's what i'm saying systems in you. Bring so much that is what i said to my friend this morning the fear that they faked this is with the president. This is what goes on in the country. They put a fear inside of you. That's not even you'll be already being so oppressed and abused and then you're like. I'm afraid look what happened to my own anderson. I'm getting the complete opposite of my career. Actually i'm getting more feedback than i've ever gotten in terms of being successful so and i find the men say that to me. The only men say to me up yeah be careful. Sue became don't talk. I'm not i'm not even saying certainly don't don't talk i would because i think i would say that to a guy from two to be clear that he's at your fear too yeah yeah if if <hes> i have to think if i've hated people before and i i hate double you're putting words in my mouth. I mean i'm saying i have and i still think think like do. I want to add this person. What could that lead to could have nothing. That's what's so funny right leads to absolutely nothing leads to screaming into the abyss. That's what's so funny. Both fear and literally feel like i'm breaking the barrier. I'm like everybody so afraid to do something and then you take all you got to do something and then nothing happens and you're like oh you have to do it like forty forty seven million times to get anything done. I've <hes> i've spoken about people on the show where like a you know we were cool and then i specifically said their name and say we're not cool because of this that or the next because i don't want i don't want this thing that i created to continue if it's not actually continuing in union real life and the fear of that first of all it felt good because it's just this is the truth going forward. You know and i'm just continuing to tell my story like i always do so. It's like you said it's not a big deal. The shit that happens then is you see them out in the world of course because we still work with chip birds whether we want to or not they're still backstage stayed with us does still like in the venue with us and it's that's the uncomfortable i'm not saying that don't feel comfortable at all then anything wrong and i love that all all about it. It's like everybody keeps the brain. That's the way the brain is. System is what it goes to the fear and i'm not but i'll tell you why it was uncomfortable. It wasn't uncomfortable just in my head and it was uncomfortable because these people will like they have confronted me. You know like oh. I wanna talk to you about the thing that you said about me and they can't confront me on something they really did. That's why they're not confronted me. They really did do this the w._g._n. Fight all the agents. They're they're in big trouble now. This is not me extent. There's not old school like oh be quiet into. This is like i. I predicted all this happening the w._g._n. Fight all the agents. I just negotiated my own deal with no agent. I already broke the system and they're the it's. It's almost like everybody's so in denial that they don't see it happening so what i'm doing is i don't hate people. I'm not even mad. I want to figure out a way to get done what i set out to get done which is to make my show without helping which most women in america wanna go to work and not be sexually assaulted and not be hijacked and not be pushed around and not between like shit. That's all we want and so. That's what i'm doing. I that's why i'm speaking out because it doesn't even matter about so if that's not my career hollywood isn't if that's what they were offering me in hollywood i don't care. I don't need that so ruin your career. What am i gonna ruin. So what if i become somebody who speaks for women and stands up for the way we're treated if that becomes my career so c._b._s. I agree. I can't wait to hear about these deals on this show. I'm my show is fucking awesome too. That's the other thing script came down within two weeks and that's why but but i think it's because they were so chaotic and they were trying to do one thing. They were trying to use me for one thing that they weren't paying attention. I think they were trying to get everything to be honest with you. So what do you want to. What do you want to do with your script now because this is is a very d._i._y. World but it also costs money to be d._i._y. But i'm gonna either do work it out with viacom or i'm going to sell it to another network uncle by telling the story story. I'm going to be able to bring visibility to it and i'm gonna continue to stay on point. Which is i always just wanted to make my show. I could've sued that i could've done also so it's a crazy stuff but guess what that does to women to then you stuck when people and you're not be creative. What does this tweet me thinking. Men are hurting me. Love me is over. What does that mean me thinking me. Thinking men megan that mana hurting me they love me is over like marc maron. I thought he was a very good friend of mine ochre well. What was your relationship with marc maron. I did all the w. t. s. with him. I've sorry i heard mark mark mark mark. I grew up with me ever heard me. I grew up with the whole family. It's funny. When i go to your twitter. You gotta take your time with these one of her tweets because you you go fast. You're like wait. You don't wait marc maron. What knock maron edited my podcast and said that he didn't edit it. Brendan the when i went into me with mark when i did the podcast with makki was so aggressive with me and i don't know a gift understand all this was going on with me me too movement with happening like crazy to all the men were fifty thousand times more aggressive than they were normally so i was doing all this during the time with all these men be even more aggressive because they were terrified like you represent every they can get them in trouble and they all kept saying they all kept saying. You're going to take us all down. You're gonna take us all down and i didn't even know what they were talking about. I was like i'm not trying to take anybody down. I was is literally <unk> so what my story is. All i was trying to do is do my show but because it happened during a time in history when all these men were in trouble i got it was like it was like the most gusting like a obstacle course that i had to make it through and i made it through unscathed. I went into the whatever that story as you went into the online's dan and came mountainscapes. That's what happened. If you think you would think if you didn't know better the men would be a little more withdrawn now. They will worst. I was so much worth. That's what freaked me out. I do get that big like she's going to go back to the women. Yes a women. I mean mark. It was so aggressive with me that i called brendan afterwards and i said brandon. You have to leave everything that was in that you have to remember. That's what i meant about the less yeah he did shit early on my great so the other thing is ileana. Douglas is the one that caused ronin to write the article. I'm the one that took over when she got fight. This is say that last part again alien leanna douglas is the one that went to ronan farrow abou- part about less about this accusing him of sexually attacking her and then firing her from a job because because she wouldn't do what he wanted her to do. I'm the one that took over for her when that happened. I had no idea that happened so emotionally. Now you have that on top of what happened to me now. I'm this article echo comes out and i'm like oh my god. This is the second time he i didn't know he did it to me. In the past all hit me all at once and marc maron. I went into a hotel room. I did my podcast with them. I'm in a hotel room during the me too movement. I didn't think any i've known him for years. He was so aggressive with me that i had to hold my ground so clearly clearly identified. I didn't even know what i was dealing with and then afterwards i said to brendan byrne. You cannot edit that. I'm like everything that was said in. That conversation was because mark was so aggressive. You should sue we don't edit anything we don't edit anything and then they postponed it and dropped it. The day before the less article happened and they edited the whole thing and i went back to brennan. I said oh i guess you've changed your mind about editing and he goes to we don't add anything. We don't edit anything and i said brennan. This has gas lighting. Mike you guys literally doing to me. What everybody in the press is saying this is happening and then he sent me the unedited version though he found it. He said yeah he found it. He sends me and i'm like jovan post that not yet because i'm holding onto everything so that when everybody finally gets what i'm saying and stops projecting what they think is happening onto me then i can finally say this is what's so weird about is even being a woman. I can imagine what it feels like on a rape trial or something where you're trying to say what what happened and everybody's like. What did you do what we what we lab john. You're like what i was walking down the street. I was doing nothing and everybody's like what you look who are pass finder under pictures editor and you're like no. I was just walking down the street like that's what happened to me. Were you sexually assaulted or harassed. Of course at least i assume and then but it's your maybe you're nervous to be specific about that because you don't want it to be about sex again now. That's what's so weird. Is that on the marc maron so i'm in the middle of this less has all the sex stuff going. I literally boxes to me. I say oh i'm taking my money. Grab my ass. Amok says to me. Have you ever been assaulted and it was so weird. I stopped. I paused and i said grabbing my acid salt. First of all all the girls will like they will so man. I'm like you can't get mad. You can't if i got mad with him. Then guess what everybody would be like oh roads who's a bitch. They didn't see what he was doing to me. In that interview they only hear what's coming on the end of you so i had to hold onto myself and then i said you mean have i have been raped and he said yes and i said said no. I have never been raped so i felt because i don't have the depth of that pain that it was my duty to go in and do a human forensics accounting for all the women. I had no idea nia that that was going on and that's exactly what i did. Oh you all like by saying you weren't raped means not i wasn't being read. I wasn't i'm being retraumatize. Even from my past i wasn't rape so i wasn't being re traumatized by all this so i was like i have to do this for all the women that have been hurt. I heard so many women tell the stories. I was like i i have to do it because it's not we traumatizing me. I think like grabbing assets. The line is crossed like yeah. That's jackie marlin grabbed him. Disase a the at the rehearsals for a show and so we we you know it's like that's it this this <hes> half a friendship is over. You know he'd he'd call in do one of his dirty jokes folks and we pretend he has to go real quick and we thought it was goofy but now it's like no that's the end of it and i was amazed by the number of people being like but the the blah blah blah happened with this. Do you guys have that kind of rapport and it's like oh it has to be a rape is also in this grab. Somebody even said like oh then. Why did if if he so bad. Why did you introduce him to andrea to put him to put him on like that show. Why are you passing along like as like you know what i was playing ball and with the little one he would do this old man flirting or the you know what you we we've i did. I saw it as nothing but he kept like kind of you. You get pushed a little bit more and i thought the ask grabbing and like there was something else that day he he insulted me in front of people that i work equipped and that i want to continue working with at i cried as soon as i left the venue and it's like yeah i used to work with him now. I don't want to and here's why so why do away half the now protect what i did in the past you don't have to you. Don't have to me as i'll tell you why because if you stand up yourself as a woman you get you get retaliated against dance in such a way that you could probably have a nervous breakdown if you don't have the mental constitution to go through what i went through and that's what i can speak for. Everyone now say they try to make you have a nervous breakdown the guy from the w._g. A i went to a symposium the w._g._n. Are right. His guilt. Ray helped me negotiate my deal so i'm not calling him out. I'm saying the truth. I went to a woman symposium where they said the women in the workplace safety for women. I'm symposium for safety of women in the workplace and they're all talking about what's going on and i raised my hand. I have a deal with c._b._s. And they i think they negotiated shaded in bad faith with me with less move as an. I need help can somebody help me and the guy from the w._g._n. Cornered me and he said sue. I heard you on marc maron. He brought that up. I and he said maybe c._b._s. Doesn't want a show about a woman who strong. I bet you this is happening to a lot of women and when i left that that room mike i called my girlfriend and she said did su. He cornered you so those women couldn't get to you and i was like oh my god. This is really bad with these. Women with these men do an and to speak to the men. The guys is jumping the fence the whole thing i didn't they called me about louis the new york times and i was like can we can. We balance this out. Can we talk about a woman who has could have success equal to louis but doesn't then i'll talk about. That's not the story we want. The press reframing this over and over again and taking people down on. I don't know how much that is conducive to progress if women are not able to who's in charge of what comes out of the t._v. I watch two shows on h._b._o. Last night i watched a succession john and i watched the new <hes> catholic show and both of the shows have the dot is that of the fathers that they can't be in the business because women and i'm like okay who's putting this on on t._v. Who women are getting messages over and over and over again and i have a show that's pro woman. I negotiated my own deal during one of the biggest women's movements ever it has a i can't even tell you what it is. It's i. They told me that i was going to get paid fifty thousand dollars an episode and in my head i was like okay. They're greedy. They're gonna pay attention to the money in my side led. I negotiated that nobody can get paid more than me. Okay remains a man a huge man could come on my show with the huge salary and he cannot get paid more than me. I did that during the urine and women's movement and nobody can hear me 'cause they're so busy with the sex and being afraid and i already did it and the w._g._n. Fired the agents. I already did it so it's not like i'm calling people. I'm i'm not hating people. I'm just saying i feel like moses like locusts a comment and then the locus common now and then every like sue stop saying that i'm like but i'm not i try but in the attorney said to me to c._b._s. was in such flux and did such bad stuff that they were guilty. They couldn't hear what you were saying so in that sense with men. I do think we need to talk to me. I don't think we should heart. I think men don't know their place anymore and i don't think that we should discard men. I mean a girl attacked me on stage when i was talking about louis about the about the the press coming at me and she was like hey dad i was like okay. She attacked me and i'm like i'm a woman and then i was like well. What about his dot isn't she's. I is like okay so did your did you. I see your face light up or not light up. Your head was about to explode at saint when i brought checking mortlake was a jackie specifically does jackie. Jackie tried to steal show. I was doing the show at barney's. I created this amazing like storytelling event and he was on it and he was like sue. I want to go meet. The guy who owned bonnie's is my friend and so he's like a i wanna go meet with them to with you to be on the show and i'm like well. I don't know if i need him. I just i pulled off the show myself and my friend from boston. Commies like jackie. Motley's tried to get in the back door and steal your show and i called jackie and i was like jackie. I was like don't fuck with me the and he literally was like. I can't believe you said don't fuck. I can't believe he swore me and you hang up the phone and seventy seven page email like in love because it's not with you. I remember one of his long fucking emails. After i call them out of the show he was like and i'm on vacation and you're ruining. I'm like so sorry. I'm emma working and where you are. I don't know i'm your room so things are changing and they're still changing you. Can't you can't so i'm like i have compassionate about that too. I'm like i understand but i'm not stopping. I'm not only that what i've able been able to do. Over the past few years the see how much progress i made i made them sign an i went to an attorney and he was like oh airey so i'll be considerably area and i'm like like is this fucking real number snuggles what he's telling me and then he goes. I tell angle so i had c._b._s. Sign an n._d._a. And his whole head almost exploded and he goes. I would've told you you couldn't do that and i was thinking. These guys all think my father. I'm like i already did. I literally have the show in a movie and my t._v. Show was all about this to my t._v. Show is all about the hilarity of what happens. If a woman gets a little power what goes on and it's hilarious in its loving being in. It's not mean and it's like look how hard i've had to fight to get to here. Have everybody hear me say. I'm not trying to hurt you. I don't wanna hurt. You and they're like what why why. Are you trying to hurt me. I was awful to you on my that's not who i am to solve bed with focusing on dropping and drop it. What do you mean by. God friend helped me with it. He he was the one that helped me. The most. I have my friend who was in new york times a documentarian. He'll go who helped me do like the proper like and then my cop friends a guy and i was like i gotta let him read he goes. Oh i understand what was going on. I this is what was going on. We really ride down then. I sent it to my regular guy friend and he helped me like making sure that the regular book understand what i did. I lead the guys trying to fuck me and i fucked them as what happened. That's the story and i did it with love. I didn't hurt anybody. I didn't go. I'm not i don't want to hurt anybody. I don't wanna hurt the w._g. A i don't wanna hurt say. I don't want hurt anybody. I want them to stop hurting people. I think i feel like you're saying hey everybody. You calm down down. Don't tell me what i'm thinking then. I'll tell you what i'm thinking. Just tell us what you think. We've gotta keep guessing. I want this op. Ed and i went out thursday consistently. Keep character eric to hawaii and not let people tell me who i am and that's that's what took over for the two. I mean they will literally trying to pull me into their discusses. What happened and i was like not today. Already we went down there already out of show called cost. Maybe murphy by the way the way you recorded eight episodes of that four the era. How do we see the other four. Now it's interesting. I'm like oh. You know what's going to happen now. They're gonna air costello again. I watched the dentists episode the other day and i'm like this is literally reflecting. What's it's gone on the country. I'm like i've been talking and they have do they have to change the the the laughter and a little bit because in that dentist episode for example the character doesn't have money somebody says why don't you go to have that and have one of those kids work on your tooth and she's like yeah. It makes me pass out so you can feel me up and the audience laughs well. That would be a little different than keeping the laughter. Yes keep it exactly the way it is because i was already speaking what was to come. How do we find the episodes now while it's on youtube an umbrella nozzles cancels have it on them but i have a feeling that the other day i was like oh my god. They're gonna put costello on somewhere because what everything i thought i was talking on the disenfranchise white middle class working working man back with kostelic. I've been i've been talking. I'd set on ati lang is like so. Do you think when trump was started saying he was going to run for president like there were rumblings in these like sue. What are you thinking economic. I think he could become president at least fiscally and they screamed at me screamed at me and i'm like everybody's been screaming at me my my whole career telling me to shut up. I don't know what i'm talking about on the and they hey bartender at stand up new york. I went in one day ninety so you predicted this mike. I know i've been predicting everything. I predict z. I told the lady i said if you don't do my deal on the up and up everything's gonna crumble more importantly. What are the asking questions than yellow nine eight those average so what do you think and then i tell them and they go. We don't wanna and that night go well too bad. Juvenile hamburgers tacos tacos taco. What's wrong with you man <hes> just looking at these tweets real quick. Oh hi at elaine boozer high perfect timing. Wait till you see what i did for us. Ladies and artists alike well. We're ready. I spend lane is followed me. They're all following following. Everybody's retweeting me there. Because what's happening is also becoming like this social part what i did with c._b._s. Was i went in and saw regular. People get treated every day of their lives lives and i did not take the money. That's the biggest thing i did. I thought it was going to die not taking the money because what they do is what they do is. They promised the american dream. You gonna make a lot of money. You're going to do this and meanwhile they're screwing you from behind and that's what i was like. I had to let go of that. Fantasy of may be in an hope that i could go bigger and that's what i'm doing. I'm breaking through the fear barrier. I'm like what am i. What am i afraid of harmony like literally tape. The china doll was taken. Everything and i've never crumbled so what happens if i go go all the way and as a woman what i'm realizing is my weakness was was that i thought somebody was going to come in and save me and the thing with c._b._s. Viacom and going beyond all of it it in showing them who i really am. I'm like oh. This is the first time my life i'm not sitting in hong on somebody will figure it out. Somebody will care somebody will see what happened. It's the first i'm going. I want against what women usually do. I'm just saying no and i'm not trying to hurt and everybody's like oh so you're not you're not doing this for attention. You're not doing this. It's taken people like it's like bobble bobblehead like they're like and i'm like no. I just wanna make my show so bizarre <hes> one more real quick <hes> sue wrote. This is everyone when they finally finally here what i did with c._b._s. Also the head attorney at viacom well speaking with me today spell right people as she c. O. s. t. the l. l. o. Well because she was like what what why am i. This is what went on in. I think it is classism too. I don't think i mean i've had people interview me and they're like sue what what level of education do you have and i'm like do steve jobs then do as well now. They can ask him that and what's his name bill gates. They all go gates. You can ask well you know of course they're saying it because i'm a woman wrote in the classism is like an one guy was like the reason why i didn't have an agent or an attorney when i negotiated my deal with because the agents were in bed with the private equity firms and i already knew that i didn't want an agent cause and then guess what that's why the w._g._n. Fight all the ages because of the conflict of interest with private private equities and i already told them that i already said i already has before and everybody's like so how do you know what private equity firms and unlike the bias is so deep in people's head that they're not even seeing what i'm doing so that being said i already made great progress with my c._b._s. Deal i'm not complaining. I already sam sign an n._d._a. Already negotiated an unprecedented deal and i'm going to keep moving forward and this is what it looks like. This is what it looks like to effect change do. Are you dating now. I asked because i'm curious. If you have a boyfriend that is supportive in the right way i after seeing the loudest voice bouncing gretchen carlson boyfriend in the eventually comes around but i'm like what is shit head. I wouldn't have taken the money. I was gretchen right. What money does take salomon that she had signed the n._d._a. And then she can never talk and i think twenty million but thank god somehow somebody choked on the story says he got twenty million and now i know would happen when roger said can't talk and she can't in there so there's something about what they do in that so the pension fund would see. They're doing a class action. Lawsuit in the pension fund is is trying to get them to stop being able to do these days with women because they literally ruin your career and then the women have to take the money. I don't have kids or husband. That's where i'm i'm lucky i've i've. I'm like i don't have a husband. That has a big job than i have to worry about them. I don't have anything. I have no money nothing. What are you going to do so no. I don't have a boyfriend but the funny part what i'm realising is. The other lie that they told us is that men don't like strong women. I have had more guys asked me out recently than i've had in my entire life. There's something about men. Don't i always say this about dating mental tests. You test you test. You and they'll say in the back of the head. Don't let me disrespect you so i can fall in love with you. It's the same thing that happened with c._b._s. It's the same thing that's happening in business with me. I had this guy. I performed for millionaires up toronto. I'm i've been doing this perform for them. They told us be dirty. Dirty dirty was all men me and this other girl performance be dirty and in my head. I'm thinking i'm going to be dirty on like this one outstrip isn't that won't work so i went on. I i killed. The girl went on after me. She was dirty. It was not good and then sure enough. They didn't even look at her afterwards and i was like oh this is how they treat us like a whore four don't necessarily have to have sex but they discard you and then they will like the deal was that they were supposed to get us back to the airport and they were like the guy was like sue. They're not going to drive you back. Taught i go goodwins the money for the ride and the guy showed up and gave us five hundred dollars extra each cash and the girls like sue on like i asked my jimmy with less move zay they put me in the daily mirror with lawrence fish laurence fishburne the night in my c._b._s. I met with laurence fishburne. He's tell literally. I had morpheus telling me how to stay out of the system and they put in the tabloids that i was mystery woman like oh right and i called them and i said take that down and then everybody i remember the comedy club. Loan is will like how'd you do that. How'd you do that. I'm like like i asked them so. I'm learning as a woman to just ask. I feel like this thing has gone on where women guys like stop being like a smothering mother type person and and then all of a sudden. I'm not doing it and guys like i like. This and i'm like oh. That was a lie to that. They taught us. Nobody's coming to save me and guys like i mean this guy from so from toronto. He's the executive producing a film. That's going to be an oscar. Contenders accommodating love oscars so i want you to come meet with the guy the head of <unk> vice we want to know what the disrupting the industry we wanna talk to like. Oh then there's other guy calls me the other days like su. I'm gonna ask you the pot in my movie. I'm like oh oh oh so no. I'm not afraid i'm like micro. Learning all right good well. I follow andrea at this little bit sue kostelic mousy man following people well. I know i could see mark and five seconds and that's the thing about me is that i don't even get mad. I just know that i would see him. It'd be like stop it mark. I know you did and i'm not fucking around a superstar on twitter instagram as i am super stilo and the website sue costello estella dot com and you follow this social media. You're gonna get that fuck it up at whether you like it or not in the meantime. I'm gonna be setting things on fire. Semi show is about coming together bringing the country together. It's about goodness. It's not disgusting. It's not fighting. It's not sex. Where do i see this show. No sex what okay anyway pure still still. I'm going to sell it viacom. Tomorrow's show the trigger thought she'd do all the episode you want to act out the sue always a pleasure. You guys are awesome. Thank you for letting me you guys are the first first stop on the presto. That's what i heard. There better not be more dirt on the second second. Stop there is there's no dirt. Everybody sees deserve sex. No sex attorney called me and he's like sue. Do you have sex story to have sex and you story because sex makes a lot reminding. Those women are getting thirty one million dollars. You have sex news story. I like money and i go fuck you. I go fuck off and he goes. I like you you have and then he hangs up an email and i go. Thanks for the call. I go the next time i get fucked. I'll call you when he's not funny. So could it be selling out if you have your op ed piece but the title is how my ass was how it does mastel. Look good. Thank you everybody. Thanks for spreading the word we'll talk.

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With Some Knowledge, Funnies, and Research (2018 Midterm Elections, Les Moonves, Idris Elba, Janet Jackson)

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With Some Knowledge, Funnies, and Research (2018 Midterm Elections, Les Moonves, Idris Elba, Janet Jackson)

"Welcome to minority coroner with an and James, the wonder twins Apolo casting. Learn laugh play. It's like blues. Clues only. It's more black queer and lady lies. This week on minority corner. What do we do in? What's happening something big happened this week? Did we have an election? I think we did. I have mixed feelings ninety to work through my mixed feelings with you. We can talk about there are some wonderful things to happen. But I think he has some not so great things happen. And I need your hall processing. Yeah. I mean, I think we're going to be helping each other process. What happens but corners? It's a discussion. I think is that on packing things who are the winners who are the losers. What's going on? And what does also means for the future and moving forward. We have some ideas. Oh, I have a scoop for you. Oh, I'm ready to hear some scoops Scooby. Is it is about fuck. Bays last moon. Badge. Just fuck things up anymore. Oh the ghost of life plus moon best past that moon. The fuck similar should not find like ice cream nouns. But you know, what I'm ready? I have the scoop for you too. But you know, what I see where we go with that. Actually scoop two scoops and the votes are someone's really sexy who. Who is it? Okay. We'll find out. So we can put this episode. Let's go. Di Di Di Di Di Di Di Di Di Di breaking news breaking news. Well, I don't. Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun. We're even refer base. Now, the first one. Free hours of what could work it out. Loosen up. Oh. The lead you. That's our breaking news song. You know? We can't have any just anything basic irregular. What's the breaking news? Okay. I don't even know how I Nancy drew this. Yeah. Yeah. You always you don't always doing the research always trying to get the latest in footloose. Okay. You know what? Pas on that. Because I feel like what are your favorite things to do is talk about how much of a research? You are. Well, why Braeriach? No way. What is that thing? Like how Josh protests you much? To pursue says it too much struck researcher. That'd be researching like to do research in on the research as I was doing my research. Well, I like because you all you do so much research that you don't need to talk about it. Like, I do like a fair amount. So important for me to like keep up appearances, isn't that counter to maybe I need to be talking about how I research once again buried the leaf what is this? Okay. So as I was doing my research, I clicked on an article that we this is an older article that came a few months ago. Okay. Just when you thought les Moonves couldn't be any more of a fuck face. My God this guy this. Oh. And this is this circles back to a conversation. We've been having for years. Yeah. On the podcast victim. Les? Moonves says on this podcast list, moon viz. Yes, is pretty much the single handed responsibility person with how do you say about what's a better phrase? He is responsible CBS ruin for ruining Janet Jackson's Hey, I just scooped you. I just I just got yet. Yeah. I read about this. But I'm going to. Chamula lex die. Tell me tell me the children about this. I just I had. No, I don't how I must've been sleeping. I his okay. You like beauty rest. I love you. Got this face got. Sleep like a koala day mother. Cool wall is be their children from their butts. This is this a new breaking news fact, learn laugh, laughing play did you know that no didn't know that David Attenborough on nature. It was hell acute. It was as Kuala with their little tiny baby. I was like us acute. And then like the mother koala produces a special fecal matter that your baby from and they showed us baby straight up Krahn towards the butthole challenge out of it. Well, I learned some the bus you anyway, just got scooped less. So less. So if you all remember back to nipple gate if like this is like an ongoing minority corner investigation. Keep we keep reopening at least files about Jetta in nipple game box off the shelf. We'd like you know, what let's go. Let's go. Let's go. I would have reopened up that investigation. It seems can reopen up investigations. So can we so can so can we box? We have one bucks this. That's the only investigation move really are. And maybe it'd be on think who bit beyond say every once in a while for that. Oh, yeah. We do. Okay. Close. Put it back in the box. If we have time I want to pin back to so not Sunil often. Pin on the van, but let's beds. So so he was head of CBS during the forget when that whole thing happened, and he actually banned both he was livid. And we have actually banned he'd band both Janet Jackson and Justin timberlake's Grammy's that we're going to be happening. The next week. If you remember, Justin Timberlake went to the Grammys, you I think he performed and if you want awards and shit like that he was selling how did Justin Timberlake going back. He gravelled and cry. Oh, I didn't do this. He gravelled and cried. And so pretty much because Janet Jackson has integrity hasn't technically didn't grovel. Les Moonves has made it his mission to destroy and ruin he her career. And if you remember CBS owned by Viacom dot com owned MTV, mass amounts of radio stations VH one. He's sent memos to all of them. He was the one that orchestrated. He said do not play her music videos. Do not let her on any of the channels stop playing her music and her album that was really some unplayed or didn't you? Well, the next few once blockbuster. Then fast forward to two thousand eleven he has a book she had a book something like like south empowerment or something coming on being you were coming out of your future or something. Hey, really beautiful. I was close. True. You a journey to fighting and loving yourself. It's like one of those men magnetic poetry's, you're like Ofek couple birds. I live in reason the self help section. What did they use these days? We will. Your future. That's good. You need to put that in your back pocket. Like, what am I like special skills? She had that book loving you being yourself. True. You be your best you. Yes. Produced by Simon and Schuster. Also, buy Viacom. Let's. It was live a source says he you said how the fuck did she slipped through? He was so livid that she had gotten book deal. Goot me scooped. You scoop scoop scoop is there? My research. Because that's. Was out to destroy Janet Jackson. That's where I was like Kay dumb. With this move on with my day. I didn't know Justin Timberlake was on that list too and begged and gravelled to get on there. And yeah, all let's move as one it was a power trip and since Janet Jackson winning give it to them because why should she? She's Janet Jackson. Yep. Destroyed it what a fucking small-minded little, man. In fact, some of everybody who was interviewed for this article from the Huffington Post, and we'll post it they asked to be anonymous because they were like, listen, I don't need him coming after me there. People has offend deta against people. He's power hungry maniacal man, and also too I said this earlier weeks ago when you were talking about the new shows that were coming out diversity the diversity is coming to CBS. I'm not cer-. What's different CBS? Les Moonves has gone. That's what's different. He's like he's been a sore on that network. And that network is I mean rest in peace what it used to be. But the. Cosby show. I believe it was on CBS lease it. Yeah. So it's like man used to have these things and like Maude and all those shows that were like talking about issues. That's what I got. That is crazy. Yeah. I mean, it just goes his show. What like you need people at the top who are even keel, fair minded and not meglomaniac crazy people. Yup. I wonder would it's like in the Julie Chen, moon, vez and less move as. Oh my gosh. I mean, I am pulling for you wolf Julie Chen like out of that. We do. I'm a big brother fan. I love Julie Chen and ten moon van says as she is now known to everybody. I'm like went to that come out. Okay, girl. No get out of there. Oh, what's your husband's a monster? But I wonder if it's one of those things sometimes like women just see a different side to their husbands or they or do you just have blinders or are they just fake like concessions because I mean, clearly she. Is not hurting from her marriage to less moon. Viz I hate to say that the sound. So like gold digger. But I mean like she's on. On the team. The talk happened. I'm going to say this dollars to donuts, but because of her husband was like to say the truth, and I'm all here for it. Because she put, you know, she's Asian American woman, and they together a very diverse panel on the talk really appreciate that. Yeah. But I mean, she benefited from, you know, her relationship with them. Yeah. Yeah. And he wasn't Astle to her. So she's like, maybe she's an maybe he is an asshole to her. But we shouldn't speculate that's behind closed doors badly. That's not what we do. We don't speculation coroner. When did we become that? I mean, I will speculate off off the mic. Man, witching gear. Yes, I think we had an election yesterday. This is the day after the election. It's us this subtle. It is November seventh. You guys are going to be hearing this on November ninth. But, you know, a couple of days or you could be listening to during kwanza Japan. If you're just joining into these episodes, whenever you get a chance, we thank you for that. Yeah. Congratulations on my pregnancy. So thanks guys. Got the kids going to be like six years old. Minority cord. You're pregnant. Yeah. I, you know, I like I have like some time to I was all in my feelings last night to the point where I really appreciate it. And that message species like so today's episode because I care about you. And I wanted to make sure because I was feeling a certain way, and I saw your post, and I was like okay now, I wanna make sure that we enter into this podcast on equal footing. Jaren about each other to know in each other's feelings respecting each other's than knowing that we're on the same size for on the same team. You know, just because you're a Republican and democrat visit. Just because you donated money to Ted Cruz campaign, and I had questions. I I can't even joke about camp because. Describing it would be weird. But like the thing is I also learned a lesson. Like what happens when you are in your feelings and it's late at night, and you've been drinking a lot of whiskey and then right oppose men new friends onto mode on. On face by. Oh, here's here's what happened last night. So I I was by my so I went to a Manhattan Democrats meeting mover shaker. But then like, none of the people that I knew it Manhattan, young diamonds. Whereas they are the league of we're joint thing with the league of women's voters. And I don't really know any of you. So then I was like well Marianne Williamson is giving a lecture across the street. So I went to the Marian limit as I need a pray. I need to get some spirituality. New York life. I'm enjoying this. Yeah. And so then I was there. And then afterwards I was looking at the results and this is like early on. So it's like nine PM, my time holes are just closing. And it is a disaster. Look it's a lot of like, it's not going. Well, I'm like it's right off the back like Andrew gillum sought doing well doing well. Right. Beto was up at that point though. And I was like, but one percent was in or something I'll take it. And it just was a disaster me trying to get to my friends. I went to the Manhattan and Democrats they invited me to go to the governor's event. But I was like in my don't you go to that? While I was in jeans and a tie just one of just I just didn't feel. New york. I'm not I'm not New York. I'm northern California. So to be I'm like formal and you say tie jeans and a short sleeve like button up with a tie. And it just you know. No. For governor, especially on a night of politics of an election. Yeah. So then I went to my friend's house. It was a disastrous trying to get there haven't eaten hours of time. So what about the time by the time? I got there things things started winning had taken like we started winning and stuff, but I was still hungry alone in my feelings. I never got to celebrate all the whims. Uh-huh. Get you because I had a very different night. I came I came home, and I watched a little bit of this show. You might be familiar to call ninety day fiance. I'm not familiar all actually. So that was a deception. Never heard very sophisticated show of the John rea- of reality. I've heard of that part of that very popular in France. Hey, it's a trashy ash show. It's the trashier show right now, and it's super trashy. And I was like what until see? I remember I was kid the learning channel she ain't anymore. Like it used to be like really like riveting docu series. Now, it's trash hole, and they try to make it in the same format. It's like you're gonna learn like the beginning of ninety eight theon say starts like it is a documentary. It starts with the lettering. Like, you know, like a good serious like show guttering and it says every year. Americans apply for the k one visa, and basically it's like Americans trying to get married to international people. But both sides are trash like strata, crazy pants cat fishing living at home, not that living at home as any problem. But no. Just bad trash people. Okay. Yeah. I did this because I was looking at Twitter, and I know myself, and I the house gape. Careful watch south, and I had to listen to the words of the wise and noble Roxane gay. That was like elections are going to happen. Don't kill yourself by looking at the you know, the feeds and all of that just check in later, and then you'll find the results then so yeah, I did that just which was a smart move. I was sitting in Marianne Williamson's lecture. It was starting to like twenty minutes laugh as well. Let me just take a peek, and I couldn't shot. And then I couldn't. So I was hitting refresh and try to listen to the spiritual as lecturer. Yeah. I have a panic attack right now. So sorry, you're right. That's the truth. Especially on a night like election taking a peek is like almost like it's I would say it's quivalent to like being like, I'm gonna look around this corner. And then you slip into a hole into just like. Just like that. Especially like also, I found here's the thing too. I think it was really triggering like my emotions and feelings from two thousand sixteen because I was there at the job at center. Yeah. And so it was bring back all of those feelings of jazz a losing and things going into a house gape. And so I was so down in that deep ditch. It was hard to see. And now the day later. I can see all the positives. Sort of thing that had happened. Before we get because there's so many. Yeah. I would could could we start with the low? So we end on a high. No yet because I feel like the low actually leads into a high note, you are so right? Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. I think one of the hugest things that really I think I should we take a quick music break. Oh, yeah. You know, what you guys listen to this little ditty, and we're going to kick off with some lows of the election season. But we'll get some. We'll get our high on later. There. We go. What do you look for in a book literally found the back? It said like this book made me ship, my pants. I'd be like, that's I'm buying this book. Like, I think the common blurbs I liked that. We both want a crap ourselves over both. What's the best way to read in the tub? That noise I'm reviewing a plastic bag today. How do you? Find a good book. Most fucked up weird shit you like into handed over. Hey, I'm Brant grant. And I'm era we're reading glasses, and we solve all your problems every Thursday on maximum fun. And we're back if you're just joining in don't have commercials yet. So. Me. And also on the podcasts. Are you ever? Just joining it. Oh, if you're just fast forwarding, I'm glad that you turned your dials. Just turn your dials before we get to the lows. Okay. We haven't little sausage being made right now James videos chapter minute. For you. What we scarf? Yes. See? Inside. Tossing your scholar. As what other? As I wear a short sleeved. He's I'm still California heart where we were teachers stars like he can't shake from a hot area, California too. True. That's true. But I got the bay area blood in me now. Okay. So I think the big show. I was told I was reading this buck you media. Fuck you. Okay. Yes. But that's us too. Okay. Well, but we do our jobs. We don't yet speculating researchers. We are researchers. I was we talk about a lot on the show about how much research, y'all know. But I just get so tired of having their like every article I read was just about like how Andrew Golota was gonna win Andrew Golombek it a win win. And it just was such a crushing blow to my chest heart whole, you know, tell me about it. Well, I just it reminded me again Li everyone's like Hillary Clinton's gonna win Hillary Clinton gonna win. And I think it's you're not doing your job media when you were projecting that sort of stuff because it also I don't know some people sit at home 'cause they're like, oh, they're going to win. Right. Exactly. It's apathy be like, well if he's gonna win then he's gonna win. Eight other side who's like I need to go because that you know, that black man's gonna win. I think what we need to talk about right now in this low section. Before we get into, you know, people and the other sides and all of that is a little phrase called voters. Yes. Can we talk about that? Because that is the evil. Fucking lurk in stink fart cloud over this election. Yeah. Espec- especially like in Georgia, and like, my heart. Just like I I on when I think about it about the voter suppression that has happened in Georgia because it's like it's straight out of the sixties or the fifties. When you know, especially in Georgia, we've talked about how camp who's overseeing is the secretary of state, and he's overseeing the elections all to me. It's like, why would you not want to recuse yourself on that you can't be fair and balanced? And also to me, don't you? I would want to win fairly you were straight up cheating. There was this story about a ninety two year old woman. So they had done all these voter purges. Yeah. Mostly purging, you know, like seventy percent, really black and Latino mostly black. Georgia's a high a lot a lot of people there, and it was like ninety two year old woman went to the polls and was told she coinate vote. Fuck you. She has already lived through that because you did your voter purchases ninety two year old woman Cornyn bones. Don't like you couldn't vote for potentially the first black female governor like I know it, and then his gusting they have long lines people were waiting in lines for like four hours. I when I was like in and out I to mine was easy. But there's five and little kids. That elementary school. But this there's like so much like there's there's like MS other big like, there's so many polling places here in New York in the bay area they fair, and they purposely create small amounts of polling stations. And then they're under stop. They don't they have like one of these points seasons. Three stations to be able to what the fuck is that I and people are having to wait like in three or four hour long lines. But the courts had ruled that they were gonna Lau voting to continue going till ten PM people had gone to go get some of the eat and came back or told that they couldn't vote and it just like straight up like targeting racist bullshit. And then the loss he did recently of saying that I the dumpster trying to hack the election fearmongering, this is he he to me is almost Kemp to me is almost a cartoon with how. Villa braces. He is. So I was talking to a co worker who told me that he actually was in. He spent some time in Atlanta and two thousand and twelve Georgia tried to I'm probably going to butcher this. But essentially, I believe what it was was Georgia tried to to cut the spending on the archives. The Nash the state archives for the state of Georgia and make it privatized, which basically means that if you were to go and research, you couldn't you know, right pressing history changing history hiding, the ugly fact that the south was very terrible, especially Georgia black people secretary of the state at the time who did that Kemp. Oh, see there you go. History. Have you seen his did you ever look at his his commercials. No. But I know that I do those races robo calls. That were also there were racist robo calls that were going out the Oprah had to put out like a message of like that was not me like his commercials. I looked at one today. I couldn't believe it like literally it's him with a gun being like, I got guns. I'm a governor with guns going into his truck. I'm going to pick up some legals in this truck legitimately said that this guy is disgusting. And I cannot even wrap my brain around someone to be so disgusting, so petty so low down. He just it's it's just like how you you. And I were texting earlier, and it's a lot. And we've talked about it on the podcast. We're generational trauma. We're feeling it has generational racism his fabric in of at the lecturer is that these native American woman was talking about generational trauma. And they say that it takes four generations for that trauma to work itself out. And that's why like, you know, when I remember we talked about the cross burning last week. I just like there's a thing like when it is voter suppression. It hurts like it absolutely hurts, and and look at all the all the snaps Stacey Abrams and Andrew Golota because look how fucking close Stacey Abrams has holiday. It's wednesday. I don't know what happened my time because listening to this. I'm so glad she's not. I am glad that she is not conceding. Absolutely. Glad that she's not conceding. It's not been called yet. And look at how. How hard how close she is Andrew gillum. How close he was in the bullshit red tape that they had to go all the hurdles that they have to go to. And it's again reminds you as a black person in this country how much harder you have to work to win or even get close. We'll juice it's ridiculous. But what you're saying right now to me in this is where I was feeling I feel I mean, I'm pissed off that they lost. And they lost in will not Stacey yet. We don't know. Yes. Yes. Yes. And but in terms of voter suppression because that's what it was. Let's just be honest. Georgia was fucking obvious. Which is why Gladys Stacey Abrams is not conceding. No Florida's fucking obvious. With in crews in Texas it happened. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that I have to say non-use a silver lining to me just like how their generational trauma generational racism built into the fabric of this country. And the fact that just a few years ago, we elected Trump. We were able to get in these deeply racist states. Yeah. Deeply ingrained Ku Klux Klan member Fleck and burning lynching states near close. Yeah. Yeah. So to me the door is open. Yeah. Are we getting into the highs already? No. We're not. Okay. Okay. I know I I almost was about to as well. I was like I am. But yeah. Well, another I was a little sad that Anju Gillam conceded. So I wanted him to fight a little bit longer or just because like, you know, there was bullshit things that happen. Because like Florida like, I don't know why it's like always things like Florida. What is going on? I think every few not even just election cycle. There was a two yoga instructors who were shot and killed by in that guy was openly. I hate women and was late. In about his misogyny and his hatred towards women. And again, like I just watched that movie recount recently in the spring board of you know, it gave us eight years of Bush and Iraq war John crazy Trayvon Martin. I mean, the list of things that's going down in Florida and acts of mine reminded me that he said he lives on in Florida. And he was like Florida what's going on? He's like it's that northern that panhandle area that it's like there's two states that the southern is stiff. And also we're talking about Florida enjoyed it. They they are very they're right. Horder? Do you last night? I was get. I Florida's always like Florida again for me. I was just like last night. I was like I am tired for you know, what build that wall? Build it around Florida or you not mother nature keep wanting to take those. Wants to hit the reset button with. Let me let wash this away Florida. Just keeps a message it up for you. Why should I be gone? I will I have to knowledge that there are a ton of amazing people people, you know, what when the way off to them on a boat when that wave comes and come on. You know, you got your pick go along side the coast. That's what that's one of my main reasons that I want to bring up this whole voter suppression in voting I have to salute Inc. Lake for me. It is so easy for me to be like, oh, I'm California. I'm liberal. I'm voting for a blue. It's like easy. You know? I'm in Lyon, blue, you know, it's Z. Imagine win the race is so fucking tight. The candidate is somebody that literally called the other opposing candidate a monkey, which is what happened in fucking Florida. Right. I mend all of you democratic voters in Florida right now because you. You are doing the work. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Like that some scary shit. I've been through Florida every time I go to Florida. It gets a little nerve racking and the beach Miami is fine. But if I start walking around and get a little nervous, I got a little beating Miami a lot of butts. I love myself five gotta feed the babies. That's weird. Sorry to a circle back is facing circle. Okay. Just held strong. Right there. Okay. Vote your Coa life, some other ones that were losses to Christine. How quests she lost the governor bed in Vermont would have been the first transgender woman. She had the democratic bed there. Katie hobbs. She lost a closely watched secretary of state race in Arizona. E N O. She lost a Steve gainer. Who was the GOP newcomer who said ballots should only be printed in English what the phone back. That's what's going on over there in Arizona. And also like Beto losing like I was you know, what I think he was going to be that close. Like, I did not think he was actually long shot. And the fact that I got I. Yeah. I mean, I from what I was hearing. From conservative sources that I was keeping my era. I gotta hear what they're saying. What are they saying there? And it was a look out there. And it was a long shot by its he was so incredibly close. And I I know we're in the low section, but I can't help myself. But he there was a Betto effect in Texas that because of him he was innocent poll up a lot of local legislatures. So a lot of any judge. Liz judges I'm across in Texas, and who came out to vote because of the energy that he was providing in the same thing happen around CCA Abrahams. There was a district that a Representative one that Trump had overwhelmingly wine, but because of the Abrahams on the tournament she was able to bring out of this woman wanted lifting up lifting up up along with them. They were close. See we can't help ourselves. We can't because there were. There was some there was some great. There was some great things that happen. Well, then let's get over to the good. We can't do it. Let's get. Here's some more music. I'm gonna flip my scarf. Yeah. Is ready as we play the next track? I'm Riley smell. I'm Sydney McElroy. And I'm Taylor Smirl together. We host the podcast called still buffering where we answer questions. Like, why should I not fall asleep? I party. How do I be fleet? Is it okay to break up with someone using emojis? And sometimes we talk about no, we don't know find out the answers to these important questions and many more on still buffering a sisters guide to teens through the ages. I am a teenager, and I was to butts but spots butts. We got that. Good. Good. We got that. Good. Good. That's where he got that. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. You want these goodies? Well. Why? The other thing that I want to bring up before we go into the other legislators because I mean, the big news everybody was talking about the celebrity races. Which was Andrew gillum. Stacey Atta Abrahams and Bittu rook. Those are the ones everybody was talking about. But let's face it. Those three are such superstars. I don't think. That's not this is the first that we're hearing about that. Is there weighing anywhere? And I think the biggest win for me of the voting is aegis Alba getting voted sexiest man of the year yourselves with that Blake Shelton bullshit from last year, which I think is a sign of good things coming. I think you know, what? Yes. Sexiest man of the year always tells us where we are as a country and what direction we're going. Yes, Blake Shelton was literally. Like, what's the thing that like announces that dangerous coming? The red flag the canary in the cage canary the cold mine, the canary in the coal mine. The siren was rigging. We should've known. About damn time yet, but his he'd been around forever. It's been and he's been sexy. Forever. Should've been like as soon as you noticed him people magazine should have been like. Oh, okay. Does. So I know that makes no sense at all Bill. You know what we're on the right track? I feel like people are done with his whole fucking catering to Trump's America bullshit. Yeah. Well in like there is so many. I like there's like there's one hundred women in history hundred congress women That's amazing. Not to mention a ton of them are women of color color. so many, you know, I don't let this. I have a list of just different people. They wanna highlight to you can talk about. There's I governor Scott Walker got defeated which is great. Yes. Scott Walker is like a notorious man who was a union BUSTER. He's there. Governor. This is local max rose in Staten Island. He unseated the Republican incumbent there, which is really good for for for the the house. The Senate one of the things I forget, but max rose that was a good way or I openly gay governor and Colorado. This story is dead. Why Jared polis who why? Because remember that bitch that that wouldn't give out the marriage licenses. She boss. Yeah. She lies. And now her governor is an openly gay, man. So fuck rich when something Davis, Kathy Davis, whatever she got she got out of the history books. Not writing you. I we also I let's see Serena's David and up dab, Holland who are the first native American women elected to congress, which is one crazy. As like there. The the first amazing glad that it finally happened glass ceiling boom, also should we stay? This is an MA fighter in a lesbian. I know would take you just play the great things just keep on going. What love is also just like, not only like the ethnic and sexual diversity of people who are getting elected. But just like what Thurs side things are where they're coming from. You know, and it's like diversity it's reflected of America, which makes sense a room full of people who are going to talk about what are the governing laws or what should we do? The. Hello. Like that's how that's what represent Representative should be. There's like I think over seventy six vets elective. I always think it's great. I think it's great to have vets who are in congress because they know been they've been to war, and so they're gonna they'll know what it's time for us to go. And when it went it's nine I would be more cautious about it. Because you know, the actual what happens. Yup. Yeah. Absolutely. I respect more. Let's see we have our first Muslim women. All right. Yes, rush. She let's leave. And he Han, Omar. Yeah. And minnesota. Yes. Very true. And like, again, let go like, you know, this country just continues to surprise me. Sometimes so happy. Yeah. And Omar is also the only a I one of the first Muslim women in congress to be like the, but she's also a Somali American refugee who came here more than two decades ago. And let's not forget the John Donald Trump's dumb ass, son. Donald Trump junior was just tweeting racist tweets about Somali refugees. So fuck you suck on that. We now have some Ali in congress and we're proud and we support her. Yeah. There were over a hundred and ten million voters this year. This was like numbers for the mid-term elections. I also stated because everything I turned on. There was like so much like tho- tho- vote for the like, I've never heard this much. Oh, vote for the midterms before ever. In about mid terms. Normally in this how it should be all ways. Yes. One of the reasons why Obama got so screwed is we elected him. And then we we're like, okay. You got it. And we didn't we didn't support him. Okay. Yeah. I'm saying this right now, I'm going to say something very controversial. Which is what I was a little frayed of. Okay, at people just a brace yourself everyb- lake for real is this your butts. She's breaking out the controversy. I'm kind of glad we got this election results because we got a lot of success. But we also got some major pit forget some hurts. It hurts. And when it hurts you fight you can't just rest on your laurels. If swept stent it if we swept the house. And then we got those three superstar candidates in. No one would twenty. Got this. Okay. What did my job? You're right. Because it's like every it just shows how much you have to keep outta. We've been talking about this on the podcast democracy is earned. Yes. It was very much blessed. I did not have to work for this democracy. I was born into it yet. I am being asked to participate. It's literally like for the rest of your life. It's a little side job that you're like, okay. What's going on? Okay. I need to vote and talk about it. Okay. You know, like, we get to be active participants in to our democracy. Our democracy is a garden. We can't just let him go to fuck in weeds or how vermin coming in. Ooh, we got vermin in the garden. Carbon. Now shit. It's the highest percentage of eighteen year old since they got the right to vote. I love it. How how sad is that? They're like, let's get the eighteen year olds to vote, and then they just never showed up because you don't what people needed stop talking shit about younger generations. This is the first group of generation Z, and they came out and voted out. Save us. So did better than we did when we were eighteen year old. I do also that we need to make it easier of how letting states are starting. I have some notes about this. But Sates are making it easier like turned eighteen just automatically registered to vote. You know? I remember I call. So imagine it's hard for those who go off to college like where I don't know that we make it easy for people to figure out like how do I feel like you go to college? And it's like here's your registration ballot. Or even like people who don't go to college. There should be automatic. It's automatic it should be Matic, and it's honestly kind of favors. Privilege in it. Because a lot of times you registered to vote when you get your license to drive by a lot of kids that are in urban areas. Don't drive. Kids who don't have money for cars. Don't end up getting their license. It if x different populations. So we need to like you said it should be automatic. What if you're a citizen, you should just be automatically registered? And you're not purged from any lists. Because why would you need to purge voters from a list like their dirtbag? I actually take a page out of Australia's in books. Australia might. Okay. I'm I'm here for you. I support you all Australia listeners, you already know this. All right. Okay. I'm hesitantly supporting. Shares here you're damn. A time. What what what you already know is. Larry now. So in Australia. You actually get fined for not voting who I love that. Into that. Like it's like pulled the five vote, but you're going to be fine. It's money money. Oh, we since we're talking about young people. We got how Andrea CASA Cortez, and Abby finnick or are the youngest one ever elected to congress mother. So great to twenty nine year old little twenty nine year olds out Florida passed amendment four. The right to vote for one point five million citizens who have already paid their debts society, creating the single largest expansion of voters by policies since the voting rights of nineteen sixty five percent of black men. Right. So here's the thing too. Which is paving the ground wave for next for the next election. You're going have potentially if half of those people vote, that's like, you know, seven hundred and fifty thousand people that are now going to be out there to vote and Andrew gillum gloss by like, I think less than that around the park number, right? True. Things are bubbling in Florida. It's an you know, what to what it is a Nike. It's literally just chipping away we just chipping away. Yes. The bullshit that is there. And again, we're the microgeneration. So we want like all right now. But it's a marathon have been a mess for a long time. And so we get the country since the beginning of this country. And so we don't get to take. We just have to be active participants. We know that we have elections every two years. Yes. Every two years and that we participate in that every single time in all these referendums and things that got pass. That's all the snaps. All of you only just citizens who you did that work because those are politicians who are doing that work. Those are citizens who work to get those measures pass to get people out there. Like, that's that's that's that's you. There's initiatives to raise the minimum wage pass in Arkansas and Missouri, Medicaid expansion and a slew of red states. There was a let's see the party. Oh, yeah. What are we going to say? Oh, I on a Presley, Massachusetts, first black congresswoman. Yes, I love our, geez. Beating longtime incumbent to which is like fuck. Yes. I mean, Boston is racist. So yes, you know, what, you know? It's so funny. I did it real. 'cause I my family is from like, my mom say the Phillies from Boston. And like I didn't realize that like I get I was in a very like just around my family, and I had no idea just like the racism out of Boston. But it there. That brit. I this. I'm sorry. I while now say that later, but. Democratic we the Democratic Party made massive gains at the state level to unified democratic governments in Colorado, Illinois, Maine, New Mexico in New York and also picked up seven new governors, so all of that combined huge because we're entering into the two thousand twenty we're going to be redrawing all the districts, so all that gerrymandering shit that went down. This last the reason why things are so packed up. Is that in two thousand ten when we weren't there for Obama. The Republicans went in redrew, everything these funky awful shapes that don't make any sense, it's time to change it. Yeah. And I think there's a so what's great is that these governors, and these, you know, democratic governments in these states will be able to lead the charge and redrawing these states, and I believe in a few a number of different states. I have the number somewhere they've already on their measures. They've already voted to redraw their districts. I love it. And Michigan is doing a really which Michigan is a swing state and Michigan. This young woman. She led the charge for this measure, and they're going to be having four Democrats, four Republicans and five independence redrawing the districts. I love it. Just these little regular citizens, which I think we need to do. Eight. Kansas elected, its first democratic governor since nineteen seventy five. Yeah. Yeah. Beating out Chris co BAC who he champion probably one of the most restrictive voting laws in the country. Well, he'd lead president Donald Trump's voter fraud commission, which we talked about which was found nothing. Yeah. Laura. Laura kelly. Ooh, I Elaine Luria. She won in Virginia and high did phone baking for her on Monday. Part. Yeah. I got I got involved little sought out to phone banking. I I was definitely like I I was I didn't want to do it. But I was like I need to get involved phone making by friend of mine. He threw a party party. There were six of us gaze at an apartment. Calling be swing states. People knew where they're pulling station were. Yeah. Yeah. And so now I feel motivated because now I'm like, okay now, I know phone making I want to host a fun being party. You can do a swing left dot org. They make it so easy for you in that case, just like they give you the information. They give you what to say and breezy awesome. I love it. I want to bring up Angie, Craig. She is the first openly lesbian mother to be elected to congress. And she's in Minnesota. But I really wanna point out. I love these like just desert shits because her opponent Jason Lewis compared gay people to rapists and called the bathroom access for transgender students in a bomb nation. So fuck you Jason Lewis. Glad the people of Minnesota voted in in g Craig because yuck. To that. That's that's a similar story to JD Ford. Who's an out gay, man? He'd be one of Indiana's most conservative seats senators to become the state's first out St Leger legislator. Kick out of there making so many changes, we're busting through levels. Never started doing in their six hundred eight black women who ran for office across the country six hundred and eight. Yeah. Yeah. Lot of them was Letitia James who she beat out. Keith. Who cares? What his name is. He's out of the. She's going to be New York state's attorney in. She's now she's going to be on the frontline pursuing Sappho actions against Trump will do her job is to see that she gets to the president. And she's going to be suing a lawsuit against the president's charitable foundation, which we all know is giant. I want to give a little shout out to Maxine Waters. Oh, can I can get all of all the shots, Maxine Waters slanted down. Always and forever. She is going to be now the head of the overseeing of finance. I. Yeah. How how we in? Have we've gotten the control over the house. Right. She is now one of the top officials that will be in charge of actually looking into the finances of this administration. So great. Yeah. Good, maxine. So we can really go for Ben Carson's fifty thousand dollar table that he bought like there's been like, I think that's the thing that you just brought up that we now have a system the government needs a system of checks and balances the way that it's just got a benefits. And I now there's been no system to check this administration to call them out. Anything can now open up on unvested Gatien's on their hostile be like, no more stupid tax laws are going to be you know, for the rich are going to be able to get past pass through anymore. We now have a system of checks in place. So I do knowing us even though we're in the positive section. I do have to say a little negative right now. Okay. Okay. Yeah. What the fuck Nancy Pelosi with your BI partisan speech right after we just went all this shit lake. That's not good. And it's also not like, it's I understand what she's doing. But it's also not just like, but not the time. And it's not it's not the energy that we need. We need you to be. And also she's trying to buy for speaker of the house, and it's not a done deal that she would be speaker of the house. I feel like what she has stated as when she wants to do is it's going to be a transitional year. She doesn't like she's she wants to step down. And she feels like she does have the experience and the connections to be able to whip up all the different votes that shoe will need to get things passed. But at the same time, we don't actually need to because we have majorities. So just go past the things that you need to go and pass. Right. I'm feeling like I get that. There's a time to be bipartisan. But clearly when when we're dealing with a party that is infested with racist. Exactly. Insanity. We need to be holding court and taking sides for the people. Yeah. So I as much as I want to I don't want to blast anybody of my party, but she needs to take a different tactic. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Also, I know no we're not in the we're trying not to be in the negative zone. But I am you know, I really do give snaps to Claire mccaskill and what was the other one? I that McCaw school lost her seats because she's didn't she voted against brat. Brad kavanagh. She wasn't going to vote for his confirmation. She knew she knew she's a democrat. Yeah. So Claire mccaskill was a democrat who lost her seat to Josh how Holly and there was another democratic because she's in what was that? She is in Missouri and was read she her and another Senator were in on. Heidi Heitkamp Hearn, Heidi Heitkamp, or in Trump territory that they're Trump supporter that Trump people were not gonna vote for for them. But they've they stuck with their conscience. They knew that voting for Brett Cavanaugh was not the right thing to do. And they knew that was gonna cost them the election. And they give them the I give them all the snaps for doing that. Because that's called integrity. Yep. Yeah. And that's what they get to make sure that they have stops a bummer of bummer that their electorate turned on them for that. But that's also that's how democracy works then on it is I know it is we're at such a fascinating point in history right now. And I feel like because we won the House Democrats won the house back, and so many women of color, people of color LGBTQ people. I feel like. I I'm not I still I have hope right now, which is good. But it's very tenuous, and it's a different kind. If you look like two years ago where we were it was like building up from nothing. Totally. We were imagining what do what it going to be? It was different. And now it's like we have ten we've got skin in the game. You know, it's not a tangible. We've got and we just have to you know, sort of keep working this actually, I would like to actually sort of pivot like what does this mean sort of moving forward? And I say something that I think is controversial. So in this pains me I already had my morning for this. Do the this election does say though, because of the losses of Beto and. Well, we don't know where Stacy Iran's is. But with Andrew gillum, these rockstar outsider, very young, vibrant. Yeah. By nordea. I do think that this actually put a nail. I don't think that you're gonna have a commonly Harris twenty twenty that. And I did not want this to be true white men's votes. Still matter. This country's racist. It's not right. We're so casual. Well, how can you not? It's literally just like the sky has blue this country's racists. I mean, they're just hand back. Like, right. That's what it is. Unfortunately in many of last night's democratic candidates one. But at the same time, though, many democratic candidates won not by learning Republican voters promising bipartisanship, but by having bold policies, I think Trump is a hard one to beat. And I think the only person think that could do it is Joe Biden. Oh, interesting. And here's can I put this into your pocket, though. I think commonly Harris has a track towards the presidency. Here's what I think. Okay. Break it down Biden. And Kamala Harris interesting, that's a winning kiddo. Well, people are talking about Bego. He's starting to get a little buzz. I know I think he's gonna have. I think he can generate a Bernie Sanders sort of like, energy and fiber ency. I just think that like, I know there are people. Yeah. And people know Biden, and I think most people who are also like I don't like Trump, and I'm a Republican in these people usually vote in that red box. I think Joe Biden has the potential to learn them the lure them over because Trump is like he's got such a crazy fanatical right base. And then I think by putting on someone like, I think Kamala Harris should definitely still run because I'm beyond the debate sage get the public attention and debate against bite in and let's have a really great strong primary say put Beto in the mix as well. Yeah. But I think that if Biden equipment, I don't think he should have another white guy or white old white guy on his ticket to put comma Harris, it's going to energize. Because I think about commonly Harris, I love her. I love her. She's not a good public speaker right now you ever watch her speak not engaging in. It's not interesting. But this is just this is true. I think she's a great politician and not all like there's many local like, but you're going to the national stage. If you're speaking to the national stage and look at the track record ever since Ronald Reagan, every single person who's been voted in aside from George Bush senior he got beat out by someone who was charismatic and interesting that people want. That's kind of where we are. Yeah. And Kamala Harris doesn't have that yet. Now, she serves as vice president. Yeah, she can get and she's got the experience. And then she because is a woman of color. So she's got a have she has to have all the credentials worked harder. Sorta sorta got it. I think you have a winning ticket. I even think that Biden would even do one term and set to the side and let Kamala Harris potentially run for another candidates. I'm gonna throw it you focus. I don't I don't think that Biden in Harris are and I'll be ELS. Els? Cory booker. Two. You know, I think I think this election does show that I think he could be vice president Joe candidate. I this. Another Obama not racist not against Trump. He's an incumbent. Instead, the combat already has the advantage, and this I didn't want to say this two years ago. I was like no we need a wildcard we need someone fringe, and I would have been two years ago. I was not I was like fuck getting the white man's vote. I don't care about it. But seeing it's this election results. Okay. I. I see where the country is in. But I do think that BP pick definitely getting someone who is a better accommodate Harris. A Booker who is adding jobs people to get to the polls and excite black people to get to the polls. He's got to put a black person on his ticket. Okay for you. They black. No with. Was with one. Yes. What did he say that? I do too. I do too. I just think it's interesting. I've really been watching this like there's I watched interviews little speaker, a very powerful speaker. I think I think I would love. Hey, if it's Elizabeth Warren. Absolutely. I think Trump is going to be an awful human being to her in those debates. Well, he's going to be a human being to anybody in his debate Biden can like absolutely go toe to toe with not saying the others. Too old. I think that's why I think that Biden would do one term just to get the country back on track and make way for the future. You know, just to get Trump out. I think that Biden has a lot of regrets that he didn't win that. He did it run. Heard it listen to him in the interview he regrets that he didn't run by his son was like, I think he'd just lost the son. Cancer give man he has. But he has a lot of guilt because you know, he loves this country and and and whatnot. I but. Yeah, I mean, he's old. That's why I think he would just do one term Trump is also old. I fucked Trump. I'm not, you know, whatever old and gross. He's yeah. All the bathrooms. Here's the thing too. I think the Democrats need to do is we need to have our politics strong policies of just like this. What we're gonna fuck into for instance, they bold policies like we're gonna make DC and Puerto Rico estate that's part of our policies. We're going to make that happen. This is why I can't get behind the Pelosi statement because it's too fucking wishy-washy. We need you. So the party we need a bold statement. We need a platform, and we unite we need to unite except the progressives in because that's clearly who we want the there's a huge movement again. Like a lot of people that we list. They are part of this sort of progressive movement and all the snaps for like, you know, I think like you said, you know, the Trump getting elected really a fire under people's asses. I mean run for something dot org got six hundred running across the nation. They were not thing that existed two years ago the barrier for entry it's easier for people to to get involved in into running and getting involved in also like I think like at the adding like bold policies things like ending the electoral college. The Democrats were like we want to end this and fully behind it. And what the bulk SAT eight because I think it's even even Republicans can actually like slick not all Republicans, but some like moderate Republicans could even get behind because why should I think if you're a Republican California, your vote should count your vote should count your vote should it count? Any like some a democrat in Kansas vote shouldn't count more than your vote. Right. Like every. Vote should count. It would then because it would also galvanize for people to come out and vote then really make our country. Look the way it's supposed to in terms of local and state legislators, we are everybody loses from the electoral college. Democrats republicans. Everybody loses. It doesn't benefit anybody bullshit. Yeah. Average account. I think what we're talking about. Now is proof in the pudding that this election that we had the election results may not be what we want. But it is what we innocence. Need because we need to stay in action. We need to start talking about twenty twenty we need to start planning phone banking sessions. We need to stay on top of this shit. Because it's a it's still rolling. We're still Trump just yelled at a fucking press conference today. Some black person's although they were by racist already fired Jeff Sessions in house someone on plate who is even more conservative and against LGBTQ people already lined up to go gearing up to fire Mueller. So we need to stay activated in this election will keep me we'll activate it. We'll keep people going, and I really hope that Georgia has run off because that will keep the power going keep the voter action going keep people activated in politics. So we can't just disengage. So I also got it allows us all to kind of focus because we've. All been like working on different campaigns and soft all focus our efforts towards Georgia. Hell, yeah. We got this. So I feel like right now I feel activated. I feel positive by all the winds me. I feel athlete. Did it feels like game on this early? I played we're back in the game. Like lost your about Las election. We felt so out of the gate where we don't even her way back into it. And I think like you said, I think it I think it's something we all feel activated as citizens might Facebook feed. And I tried to I tried to text like all my I have like, you know, not nine aunts and uncles. I have forty six first cousins, I was texting my family being like don't forget to vote tomorrow. No, I was getting back what already voted voting here. And I'm one of the chats. They were debating one of the referendums. Oh, no. It's just worded wrongly. They're trying to get you to go. This. I some moaning as family, and I just love it. Because I when I went to the polls I got dressed up this year. I put on a little a tie vote just for myself. But I voted standing on on the ground for all those that came before me who were not able to go and even who are alive today. Lewer suppressed not able to vote. Yes. And it just feels like it's a new America. Argentina ration- is activated. And this is a lifelong commitment like this. Let's take a break. We are active voting always be active participants in our democracy. Because of we aren't they'll take it away from us. I don't want an ask garden we want a beautiful garden with tulips and saw. What's that Pablo? Got over there and some koalas. Out of there. But. Democracy. Neck, neck, k yeah, James. What's that? I wanna thank you. Thank you think. In me. I because you help pulled me out of I think the universe. You're my angel. You helped pull me out of my house gape. I also I was maybe a little hung over today to and sleep go to these meetings. But you cannot like, hey, folks, not me out because when you message meals like, oh, what did I that's what? Okay. And I wasn't a bit of a funk, and you kind of as soon as I talked to you. I started seeing of articles that was like look good for the top inning. And it just and you suddenly just wisdom foil. Thanks with with the full things. You know what I like wisdom? And I. Or to just continue doing the work that we've already been doing. I feel like you know, we learned we check and balance each other. Because you know, we also I wanna thank you. Because it's true. We need to also acknowledge the shit that happened. Yeah. You know, and we need to acknowledge that it causes pain, and it causes hurt. And we can't just gloss over it and be like. Good stuff happened because you know, what it's both sides of the coin. So I'm glad that you express yourself on Facebook because it's true people need to face this shit. And that's why I'm glad that we were able to cover both sides through the past because that's what it is with this country. If we don't do that, then something's going to be neglected. So thank you. It. Also does something else. Marianne Williamson said her lecture anything it's good to sort of wrap up on our politics is very shallow that we we talk about just surface levels things. And so we talked about the symptoms. Right. We talk about like, oh, this is the person that's winning or voter suppression. Or like, oh black people don't vote, but what's the cause of that? And we stick in deep to what's creating this. And that's what the news channel should really be doing. All they do is say this crazy thing happened, right? Right. But what why why is that? What's what's what's the root of it? And then you could inform people about the history of things. Yes. 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NLU Podcast, Episode 372: Wright Thompson on The Masters

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NLU Podcast, Episode 372: Wright Thompson on The Masters

"Beater right club today. Yes that's better than most about. It is better than most than most ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to the no laying of podcasts solid. Here we are going to play a Interview here shortly with a right thompson from espn longtime augusta attendee. stories forever lie. We've done. We got a lot of different aspects of our masters preview. None of this is going to have to do with. Who's gonna win this week or golf shots or really anything like that. But i promise you will enjoy get a ton of perspective from right on what augusta means to him and what that event has meant for his family and i love this. I can't wait for you guys to hear it before we get started. I want you guys to. I know you're trying to kill time before thursday comes around It's going to be a lot of masters overload and content go to callaway golf dot com slash muny. It is a love letter to the game of golf documentaries about forty five minutes long. it's told by african. American caddies turn players who despite jim crow laws and you know the lasting effects of racism. They built a rich and vibrant golf culture on a historic municipal course. And just watch the first minute of it. It will pull you right in and is a fascinating fascinating story the outfits credible We're gonna probably have to get neil dressed up like some of these guys from the alpha's from the sixties and fifties in some future bet related content in the future. The course it's about the ashfield municipal course. It's an old donald. Ross layout it's fascinating. Please enjoy that again. That's callaway golf. Dot com slash muni and again had callaway golf's instagram. They are doing a giveaway of a sick staff bag here for masters week again. That's on the callaway golf instagram and then head to colleague dot com slash muny without any further delay. Here's our interview with right thompson. All right our coverage has spanned yardage books. It's gotten into picks it's gotten into you know everything that's going on In the current state of golf but man. I wanna talk about your experiences at augusta first of all just kind of setting the scene for the listeners. How long you've been going there. What your role is. And then we can get into kind of some of those specifics. Well i've been going there for almost twenty years now. My my first masters was We're what year was that. Two thousand three. So yeah. i've been going for seventeen years. You know it's interesting by the time this airs. I will know whether i will be there this time. I don't know. I have a baby that is due november. Twenty first come on. So i am I'm trying to figure it out. I look i've You know trying to you. Know to plan a baby around a potential reschedule of the masters due to global pandemic. How did you not see that coming. It was it was obviously a rookie. I was sweating it out too. I got married a week and a half ago and when they were rescheduled for the falls. Like i know it's gonna follow. I know it's going to fall on my wedding weekend and your pain in the ass. It would be cancel wedding. I had the thought. I don't think i would have gotten away with canceling the wedding and whatnot. But i kept thinking about was all those tour pastors who scheduled their respectively for you can reschedule those. I'm not too worried about those guys but college ford yes Every time the masters rolls around. I've always viewed it as you know. It's it's one of the most covered sports event of the year. Every outlet rolls out their top guys. Were always looking to do kind of some kind of fresh new angle on augusta. And i find that very challenging and i wanna know for you as a writer and for somebody. That's been going back for seventeen years now. Do you feel pressured. I find a new angle in any way. How do you keep coming up with with different things to cover the beauty of it is it is incredibly covered but it also is because i mean. The golf course is full of tiny. Little details in the club is full. Tiny little details that people love. And it's just it's one of those things that it's so hard to get into that what you're really doing is iraq tour guide or an ombudsman and you just take people around like you know. I love that. There's one of america's great wine cellars underneath that clubhouse. I love that they have darkies. Which is if you're from the satellite. My grandmother wouldn't imagine eating a sandwich without turkeys on it. And that's one of those sort of like old school southern ladies who lunch and golf club things that's fading but i love having dirk keys on the table in the grill room. I mean there's some new thing if you're paying attention. I mean like i was eating lunch in the clubhouse one year and it's the coolest thing in the you're sitting up there and you know. We ordered our sandwiches and we ordered peach cobbler and then later d. And it's tuxedo comes over. And he's really apologetic but he's like i'm so sorry. Gentlemen i believe the desserts gonna have to be to go. Mr nicholas makes this table. We were like yes. Yeah okay. we're out we understand. There's a food chain. we're not idiots. You know i. I i would. I took high school. Biology i understand ee us. That's how that works. We don't really need that peach cobbler. Thank you so much. So if if you're just paying attention it review you always find things you didn't know. Do you feel like you're walking on eggshells when you're there and is that involved at all over time you know i don't i mean this golf course it's not. It's just a golf course and the rules aren't super draconian. Mind your manners. You know. I mean the stuff you get in trouble for their stuff you get trouble with your mother. Don't be an asshole. You know so i don't really i don't feel like i'm walking on eggshells i mean you. Are you see the same people. Nothing ever changes. It's very weird. You show up and the same security guards work the same station. There's the same woman who's always sitting in the chair by the little rope. She can pull up right there by the pro. When you're walking up hill from the school word up to sort of the big in the clubhouse you know like they have the there's caddy shack and then there's shop in there's the locker room than the nineteenth hole and then the grill room and the clubhouse like the same woman is sitting there and has been for seventeen years and so like as opposed to when you're walking on eggshells. It feels oddly comforting. Well what is it like to cover them from a media perspective you work for. Espn espn has a media partnership along with cbs with augusta national. And the masters. Do you feel. I guess any. I don't know if obligations right word. Or what's it like to kind of. Do you feel any pressure in any way to present augusta in a certain way or do you ever get anxious about something that you may have said about augusta or any any of those limitations that get put on any way it's interesting. I mean you could say whatever you want on sportscenter. But it's going on the broadcast somebody in green jacket ticket. I mean that's anything anything that's appearing in that broadcast is one hundred percent vetted so it's interesting sometimes when you think that you don't understand why people love their tournament of their course like that is sometime interesting when you have something that you think very positive and they don't get it you don't you know there's still obviously remains a disconnect but in terms of what you put on sportscenter no i mean or muddy waters t shirt on air their last year before. Like it's not like schoolmarm are running around like it doesn't feel like that. It's a place of sort of joy and relaxation. When you're there's like they do a very good job of that. So i don't ever feel you know the members i know have know great senses of humor about it and so i don't know i mean you know chance your question if it's on the broadcast someone in the green jackson's vetting it but outside of that i don't like everybody rolls with a pretty good. Well what is. What is your relationship with the game of golf. Because i hear in. Read this reverence. That you have for augusta is is so strong. And i i guess what i don't know the answer to is where that comes from. Why why it is. I know we can talk some about your your dad on the back half but what. What is it about augusta or you know that makes you. Don't you don't fake this stuff right like you. You really do this. I wish so much easier. If i did because like when i get off the phone with you i'm gonna sit down and start writing stuff that will air during around this year's broadcast during college game day in so i've been struggling with it. I've written so many things about it. And it has to see all real authentic to me. Or i just i'm bad at and i feel like people can tell and so now this is one hundred percent real for me. It's my dad. Loved it a lot and so you know it's interesting. Everyone has their own personal augusta conversations. People all the time like how you know. How do you reckon with the fact that you have this for this place that is also can be really messed up you know and there there are a lot of things that are ugly about the club and so my answer is always i mean. It is very much augusta national of the mind for me. I mean it is very the masters. It's very tied into those memories of watching with my dad. And also i feel like i have taken all of my regrets and things my regrets over things that i didn't get to do with him and he didn't get to do with me and things that you know that he's missed out on and i have put those in a master's size box. Do you know so some of it is clearly that like he wanted to go to this thing and if he lived eighteen more months i was working at espn. And we could do that. And so i. I think a lot of it is tied up in in regret And the masters has always around his birthday. Jack one the one thousand nine hundred eighty six masters on my father's fortieth birthday and so all of those things very tied in together for me from what i understand. You're not the biggest golfer yourself. But i'm i'm not a golfer at all. I mean. it is play gusta augusta. And also i love this. The last three of the last five golf courses. I played were augusta. National saint andrews and carter's. Why go anywhere else if you're gonna do that. No don't play off. Like i. I went out. I got them to let me on news one morning before it opened and quite vandevelde hall over and over and over again. How'd you do beta ask once. And i don't even play fucking golf really. I mean got clubs. Every now. And then i was out on defense kathy ireland doing a story years ago and i went and played with some bar clubs and i just had a. It was a miracle day. Like i don't know what the deal was like i was like i had an actual legit par and i was like this. Is it clearly the thing standing between me and golf greatness is this set of clubs and they were like some sort of king cobra offset. I don't know what they were. I went out and bought that set immediately. And it's a sitting in my house I've used it twice. But like i really thought that i unlocked the secret. So you kind of touched on something there that i think you know even if you're not a big gulf and you can be a huge masters fan. I wanna know. I'm just on the opposite in the spectrum of being obviously a huge gulf nerd in so i i honestly have lost perspective on what it's like to just pop in to watch golf. Maybe once once a year. I'm not saying that's exactly what you do. But i think you can help speak to a larger sports fan that you know what is about the masters that separates it from the rest of the gulf counter makes it such must watch. It's interesting because i am. I mean i understand that the following opinions very singular but to me. There's the masters in the british. Open the open championship and then the us open is distant third and the pga just doesn't even exist to me like the idea that like alex. Feel like when you're one majors the pga you just lawyered it off aged and really win a major. You know what. I mean not really like i understand if you want a bunch of the other ones you can count it to jack your score up. If that's your one you know it's sort of like you want a super bowl but it was a strike here but you know so for me. The masters is very very tied to growing up. And my dad watching it And in the open championship i love. I love that. Scotland thing man like saint andrews is one of my favorite places in the world. I like that course much more than augusta national. You know i got somebody got this. Admiral retired admiral in the royal navy. Sort of a friend of a friend to take me to lunch. One day at the royal and ancient and we went and they have this tiny little pro shop in there and afterwards he was going to get something and i was going i was like i'm gonna go get something to they wouldn't sell me anything that you could wear because only members can buy things you can wear because you're their logo like the club's logo not to you know not to the public thing and the admiral was with and i sort of looked at him. What are you gonna buy this shit from me. Like what the fuck and he was like. No this is right and proper ho shit okay but i like all that old scotland. Think so those two tournaments to me. I watched the open championship every year. I get up. I watch it live like i love that yellow scoreboard. I mean so. I have very similar feelings about those sporting events that i don't have for other golf aunts and your well known for you know you really do get people fired up for the masses yet your video essays kind of lead in a lot of the a lot of the shows and whatnot and Everyone recognizes that voice. That comes on. What's it like writing those. How much easier is that or is it easier than than a big story is to write. And how do you come up with new ones every year there. That's interesting. i mean technically. They're a lot easier just because they're very they don't take long. I mean it's hard to feel like one. You don't want to repeat yourself but to you don't want to end up being so concerned about not repeating yourself that you become obtuse missed a thing that makes it powerful to begin with which is our you know we reenacting this ritual and so some of it is ritual. You don't wanna get too far away from that. I mean that's a cop out answer a little but it. That's that's the truth is that you know you want it to be different but not so different that you're reinventing the wheel and and losing the plot yet and so do you need like do you work with someone or a group of people that are are if you're writing something and like you gotta have kind of the footage to match it right so it's to have the music it's got to have the pace and like i know it's a it's a symphony and it doesn't all there's not an answer like a true sequence but how does that all come together at a you know as a group. All the dirty secret of this is i've done a lot of essays and have gotten a lot of positive feedback on them. The real secret is there's a guy named tim. Horgan who has accompanied named blue foot entertainment in west hartford connecticut. That does most of the high end stuff like that that he. Espn does for a lot of different things. And i've been working with him for fifteen years intimidate. I are very close. You know me. And tim and a cameraman would go to scotland and we all those open team. When we used to have open championship it would literally be. They would be out shooting sunrise. It'd be on a computer at the hotel figuring out what we're going to do that day. Then we would go do it and so these things are very very collaborative. i mean he was just. I was supposed to be in augusta two days ago on the first thing. The second and my wife's doctor was like this baby could become any day now and so i had to bail on that trip. They were just. They're flying drone. They were the only people in the golf course so they were. Just stay or shooting stuff. That i'm going to go in and right to the moment we get off the phone so sometimes i sometimes i write things. And they edit them and then sometimes like this he said the drone footage is so amazing. That was like and you just pick me thirty and forty five seconds sequences of drone shots. That you really like just let me right to those so it works both ways. I mean. sometimes. It's i write something they created. And sometimes it's you know it's let me right to video and like when we're traveling around together it's happening in real time. We made it. we have finally made. It is masters week. This sunday is honesty. Going to be a sunday like no other Very rarely almost. I would have to say almost never if not never this weekend's major golf tournament of which we all know the name of Lining up with both professional and collegiate football. There is going to be no shortage of action. 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In what israel for somebody. That's been going there as long as long as you have. Do you hear anything about that. You just want to correct people immediately. And then what's something that you hear people say in that actually ends up being perfectly true. I mean a lot of times. You do see people who were so pumped to have gotten this ticket that they do it wrong. I mean you and you understand why. I mean i probably would too but like you know there's that it's tuesday. It must be belgium thing where you want. You're going to europe and you wanna go to so many places. You don't ever actually see anywhere and like i just encourage people to find a spot and just stay there and you know you walk around and go get beers and stuff but like the real joy of if you to experience augusta at its best and also see what. The ritual is like two people who have been doing for generations. Get in and go park your hair somewhere. You know couple of great places and just be in this community. People like that's my favorite thing. I took my wife a couple of years ago and had an off day. And i just went parked our chairs we immediately went right out to human corner and parker tears there. And you know so you could see eleven approach. Eleven green twelve t twelve green thirteen take. That's a lot of shot to see and we just sat back. How about twelve minutes cheese sandwiches and a bunch of chicken sandwiches got some beers and some waters and we just sat there all day. And you know. That's what i would encourage people to do if you get a ticket is. Don't try to rush all over the course. Of course you know you can see it on. Tv you only feel it there. Well it's interesting. I other than you mentioning jack. Winning the eighty six masters. And i've noticed this with your stuff over the years as well. I find so little. I was digging for something that you've written or something that was about the result or about the professional golf tournament. That's played about what happened. What unfolded and i. Don't see any of that and that's what's unbelievable about this event is that you could just talk about it forever. And we haven't talked about one single golf shot or or anything. That's the thing is it what's happening. There has very little to do with golf right with. That's not true. It has very little to do with professional golf. It has everything to do with golf. Yeah it has very little to do with the sort of global the global sports entertainment complex. Like i don't really care who wins except that you always want it to be tiger. You know mean just because you know. I've been there for a couple of tiger. Wins and that places bat shit crazy when he rolling around you know. I will go against everything i said. If tiger is winning on sunday just walked the back nine with a man. It's a religious experience and not because of him just because of this communal energy. That's building it's it's something else a phil win sort of like that too. Well what. I was always wanted to ask them. I've never get a clear picture on this because you know we we've never really tried to get credentials or anything for it. Because i feel like it's just hard to do what we do from on site there at augusta and from what i've heard it's even if you have a credential. It's not is not super easy to see a lot of golf. How doing ropes. I was gonna say. Do you follow tiger on the back. Nine of a of a masters win. The trick is well. First of all there used to be a media bleacher at amen corner media and members and that's gone now but that was the greatest trick in sports because you just. I will go out there on sunday in weight and pick up the leaders. And it's like that's where i saw the weirdest thing i've ever seen. Which is i saw a big time. Hollywood agent giving les moonves as a back. Rub swear to god so three feet from you can't take pictures that's get so anyway. That was really good. The and then there's a bleacher at eighteen immediately. That still there that you need to her. So usually what i would do. If tiger was winning and it was a coronation right and you wanted to follow. You would go pick him up at nine green and then you just sort of at least what i do is i then go. I would then skip ten and skip eleven t in 'cause you can walk straight across one straight across nine up around. What's at fifteen green. There's a way to go straight to amen corner from the clubhouse. So i would go there and i would pick them up and i would watch so i would watch eleven approach. Eleven green twelve twelve thirteen. I would immediately go up to thirteen green. And then i would skip fourteen to fifteen grain and then watch sixteen and then i would skip seventeen unless he's winning. There's a great moment to get a scene. If you're writing. Because the surf closest the winner is going to interact with people is going from seventeen to eighteen t because there's just shoot and what they do is the the the marshalls or whatever they call them have ropes and they just sort of the tunnel where there wasn't one so they sort of your fans out so the players can walk so like if you're a kid and you want to try to get bill to give you a golf ball. That's your best shot like that right there. If you just sort of look for the guys are holding the ropes you can sort of see in the sea of people where the tunnel is going to be and you can just stand on the spot in your huge crowd of april and then all of a sudden you're against rub so i've done that a lot and then and then skip. At and t. in russia and tried to get a seat in the bleachers. But if you want to skip tee shots and moved to. Yeah i wanna kind of detour. A bit from augusta. You talking about tiger there. And i know you've you wrote what is the. Maybe the seminal piece on on tiger lease the all the kinds of things. He's been through his life since his dad died. You wrote this twenty sixteen. It was ten years after his dad died. And as as trying and randy touch on you that we ended up calling our office. The kill house thanks. Thanks to that article and It i guess for me. I'd heard some rumors. Military rumors training injury rumors from tiger. And i don't know if i'd ever really seen it documented with names and pen to paper and and kind of really tracing the steps of how many times he visited what he did and all that and reading that just kind of really painted. The picture for for what life was like for tiger. And it's very interesting to reread now. Which i did last night for years later. Four and a half years later where he's back has has won the masters because the tone of the. Yeah the tone of at the time. Is that michael. Jordan has a quote in there that. I'm not sure if that's what you want. You got directly or not. But he says the thing is. I love him so much and i can't. I can't tell them you're not going to be great again. And i'm like whoa. This is a very different read for years later but sorry long winded way of saying. What did you know going in to starting that story and what kind of how did it end up varying from what you were what you were expecting. I didn't know anything. And i wasn't expecting anything which is probably why it works. I just was like. I need to start calling. People mean this sounds oversimplistic but basically. I just tried to call everything you've ever interacted with those ten years and the navy seal interesting i. I still talk to some of those guys. I was texting with one. Two days ago it's interesting that like one of them decided that they were talking than everyone was talking. And so you know. They took a long time to crack. Wants you did just number of people who had whole area stories and like. I've gotten hilarious stories after the fact like after the story ran some of the seals hadn't found reached out to me. Do you mind for the listeners. at least revisit. It's impossible as a fourteen thousand word story or something like that it's impossible to recap it completely but kind of just at least telling the story of You know that. At least what. I consider the main crux of the story which was after his dad passing passing away. He really you know. Looked quite seriously into becoming a navy seal. He wanted to and to the point that like he was running around hours in combat boots and long lance. Which is you know you have to do a sort of unofficial thank number of pull ups. Pushups situps and a timed mile and combat boots that to even be considered to get into the buds with the ceo selection process and weeding out process and then training program. And i mean he was doing that. I mean that was. That was something that was happening and they were friends of his who really thought that he wanted to join the navy. You know it's interesting. That seeing sort of feel like the jack catching jack obsession is a media thing but i feel like i learned enough about tiger woods to know in some ways. I bet last year's man was it last year could lord. It seems like ten years ago was last year's master's really meant the world to him. You know people don't realize his kids had never seen him beat. Tiger woods was an infant and the other one wasn't born the last time he'd won a major. They heard all these stories you know. He talks about his kids thought he was a youtube gospel. Yeah and so in some ways. I'm just so happy for him. I'm happy for him for a million reasons but one of them is that his kids don't have to sort of spend their whole lives trying to get to know tiger woods. The most important part of his father's life would have forever been a mystery to that it would be a a thing. They learned about the self and so for him to get to do that for them to see him be tight fucking woods. That's incredible guest. And i mean i don't know how many majors has now fourteen fifteen fifteen. Now yeah and i just don't think it matters. I catch jack. Don't catch jack. His journey is incredibly singular. He's like o'brien. James in that heat was burdened with these incredible expectations and yet they didn't break him. They've been. They've bent the shit out of him. I think he would tell you that but like there is something there was something. I cried watching that last year. I was on an airplane. Watching it in the airplane had the tv. Thank god and i just was really really emotional. Because i sort of felt like i understood what it meant and the guy did some things like his wife understands the pissed at of but i mean my god. He paid a public cost. And so i. I was really really happy for him. Well what were some of the you touched on the you still are here. Funny stories trickle in but either you know stories that you've heard since you've wrote it or the ones your some of your favorite stories that made it into the story if you could relate relates to secure. The tennis ball is so great for me. It you know. He likes to talk. Military lingo copied. add he His dog ran off the tennis ball at a marina. One time he called on there and asked him if they could secure the tennis ball so you know one of the things they do in the house is they. You presented with scenarios where their hostages. Their hostage takers. There are civilians and you can only kill the right people and they just seals loved to laugh at. How tiger shooting photographers. Which i thought was perfect. Like freud's fucker. I also love the part. Where they they you know he comes in and they. They said they light them. Up is is eyes. Lit up like a deer in headlights. And they were lighten him up with paintball base paintball guns but how he wasn't. It wasn't ready for some of the attacks that came on him. No i mean these are serious people and all. This stuff is hilarious. What should have been one of the main takeaways of the story. That like i don't think was was you do not want to fight. Tiger woods like woods will kick your ass. I think is a bad bad idea. And you also just think like i mean and this is sort of combining the two threads of this conversation but watching tiger woods when a golf tournament is very different than watching one of these. Other guys wanna costume and i don't just mean i mean the numbers there that out for sure but it's also just like it's a difference between the champions league in an mls gay just in terms of the energy and that's for all sports fans. That's not just golf fence. You know. I mean no. It's just a different thing. I don't some of these guys. So i saw leaderboard for the event was last weekend. It came up on like i saw it on. Espn i didn't know a single one of those names. It is weird to have the masters in the fall when it's such a weird kind of silly season time and now it's like everyone's usually trying to peek around this time in the spring and now it's like very much close to offseason as it gets engulfing this the biggest event of the years coming up in a in a weird weird spot on the calendar. It's very hard to kind of process it. Is there somebody who's gonna peak. Is there someone that this is like the cosmic gift for is. There's some golfer who's going to win the masters because of all turned out. I mean in theory. A lot of people are thinking bryson. Because if it's slow if it's soft if it's slow and and kind of some golf courses in this general area can get that way in the fall if it rains. There's a little bit of rain in the forecast. I think that's going to give advantage to guys that hit it longer and bryson has been doing nothing but hit drivers for the past twenty eight days or something like that to prepare for this. So what's what the weird obsession about. I mean it's like past like he took like three science classes and now we talk about him like he's albert einstein. Well at least in my opinion it's one of the. It's the story of the year in gulf. It really is and that. This guy has formulated a golf swing. That is so different and a playing style. That is very different than anyone else on the tour. And it's like the con- the most common thing you know. One of the biggest like warnings in golf is about chasing distance in house for most a lot of great players have lost their game trying to get five extra yards. And here's a guy who has a swing that's different and is kind of it. Turns out built to be able to add distance like this just pure muscle speed drills all this and drastically improve his game and now kind of exposing the game for like the the way it should be played. If you're you know if you can do this you should do it. And what he did the. Us open just kind of opened. A lot of people's eyes to say whoa. This is really translating to some major championship golf courses and he could hit some shots in this tournament if the winds right temperatures right conditions right etc he could do some things that really are going to be jarring on some of the corners. He's gonna be cutting and some of the the charges he's going to have in. It's going to look a lot like ninety seven masters. I love it when people do that. To a golf course. Because it's like the there's something really cosmetically about the pride of man you think you can keep you know like i. I love it when people just annihilate a golf course i mean. I'm one of those big tune in to watch the best players in the world make boats. I see where you're coming from here. I do i. I think i i'm going to be open uso. I'd rather like face to make me watch four rounds of that bullshit. Why why do. I wanna see the best people in the world at something struggle as opposed to see them in the full expression of this like i. Just don't get it off guy. But i'm just like i just feel like it's old. Rich dudes masturbate. I what i don't like is homogenization of the game. You know a lot. And i think it's trending that way. A lot of similar. Playing styles are kind of rising to the top of the game and a lot of gulf is not interesting. You know. I mean jon. Rahm is an incredible player. Isn't that interesting to watch him play golf. I don't think so. Is it interesting to watch. Bryson succeed or fail. Is it interesting to watch abso lutely all my god. It's it's the it's the story heading into the masters where tiger woods is defending like. It's incredible what he's done in terms of excitement and it's just sparked this whole new debate again. It's taken the debate to a whole new level of. Should this be allowed in the game or are we truly by you. Know sacred sites like augusta are having to you know. Move roads to be able to accommodate these players. So it's a. It's a complicated complicated debate that you know. We couldn't solve in ten hours. I don't think this is really dominant. I can't think is limited distance with golf ball. Thank you do of course thank you. I'm so glad you came to the conclusion. That's what we've a lot is cheaper than moving land so much cheaper. The and again very complicated but the answer is you know acquitting. A companies are standing by to be ready to sue the us or the governing bodies. If that is the case because of how much rnd they've put into technology gains and all this stuff so it's really the answer is like yeah. I'm with you. Do we changed the the equipment or change. Yeah but that's obviously they're obviously not that sabre-rattling because if the equipment companies broke the us and the royal and ancient then they will be designing quick. They'd be redesigning equipment for something that didn't exist. It wouldn't do that. that's insane. Listen make this your next topic next big story that you need to dive into because i feel like you as a sports fan rolling up your sleeves diving into this one with a fresh perspective. You know it's very divisive. It's like a lot of golf purist. Just it's gets know are very much on on the side of like look at the ball. Just shouldn't go that far and it's okay. Gulf is still going to be challenging. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be great to watch on tv. It just doesn't you don't need to bypass three hundred plus yards of a whole on ellen. Almost every hole. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me but it was interesting. I sorta day with nicholas while he was designing golf course down and anguilla and it was interesting to watch do that and because everything was around what they call the turn point holes designed around. Wear the tee. Shot landed his second shot coming from and hearing him describe the decisions they wanted. Golfers have to make made me one. One of the reasons i like. Oh i just need to never pick up golf clubs again because the part of golf is being able to hit it consistently enough to make those decisions. I just realized never going to be good enough to be able to make those decisions. I'm just worried about getting the ball in the air and so to hear someone talk about designing a golf course to make people decide whether to take risks or make decisions. I realized that i wasn't. I've never. I've never actually played golf. I just hit a white ball. Well that's part of the issue. There is the gap between someone like yourself in that conversation and the top level keeps getting wider and wider and the top guys are able to distance themselves so much because the technology gains benefit them so much more than it would benefit. Someone like you that it's it's it's becoming close to impossible to design a golf course that's gonna fit both your game and you know a top player even a low handicap player. You know. it's just that gap keeps widening. And that's where i think. A lot of people have concerned with where things are trending in the game. So that's interesting. 'cause you can't what you're saying is there needs to be three different golf courses. Yeah or they limit the equipment for the pros is what i would say. I mean if you go play you know i. It's not like the idea bad analogy. I'm not. I'm not a good tennis guy. If you and i go through the football in my yard. I'm under the illusion that i'm tom brady right. Also the football. That i would buy. Isn't the one that tom brady is going to buy into flight. That's the thing to be. There's a. I don't even think people actually believe this is just a convenient argument that so many people say like i just wanna put you have to play the equipment. The pros play. That's the beauty of the game. We play the exact same clubs that they play on like guys. You don't like they have no special. Every one of those spoken. Every club in that bag is made specifically for them. Yeah and and like. I said you know if you if you swing at a certain speed you are getting benefits of technology but if you're not and all that all that technology is just widening. The gap is widening and whining and whining. It's like guys warning. Ar fifteen or m four with the navy seal combat optics. What are you fucking. You rescue hostages are there are. There are some layers to this. We could unpack. Maybe maybe it was just interesting logically interesting because it's funny. A friend of mine was like one of the tiger navy. Seals is a big elk hunter. And like oh do you have all your military ear. And he's like well. Yeah i mean. I still have all that stuff but i don't take it elk hunting. I all come with my bow like a grownup fascinating because this is they are many many layers and there's a lot of people say things like similar to what you said. I love when watching guys just obliterate golf course and and i think that that that joy in action is temporary. I think i think if that happened all the time. Which i think is kind of what we're seeing just bombing driver balmy driver bomb and drive if you watch that on repeat it does get monotonous at times whereas the value of a great drive kind of has been lost a little bit because you see it so often like is it really great. It's kind of like what we're seeing with baseball. Like all the home run stuff. Is i think kind of boring. It's like i you know. It's become more expected outcome. And it's kind of lost that special feeling of it. But like i said no. It's also like here thing. You realize is that i mean if you wanna get real mad. This is the ultimate fallacy of every sports tech. Because it's all bullshit on a certain level because we're all none of us are no two people rarely to people watching the same thing because we are all bringing our own stuff to it and so what what. I won't from a masters in what you want from. A master's will never ever be the same and they shouldn't. And so any opinion. I have is based on the augusta national my mind and it really is like the fallacy of all sports stakes because everybody going into a stadium or golf course or watching on tv. Even if they can't articulated want something a little bit from that experience everyone is chasing something that is at least in some way personal and so you know people get angry when other people don't love it for the same reasons. I mean golf fans who were nuclear at me about the us. Open thing. because i don't get that what i'm really watching is the best players in the world. Be tested and that is the joy you know what i mean like. There are people who like it's just interesting. How all of this is so personal and no one is right and if no one is rocked in the obvious corollaries. No one is wrong. Bothers me about it. And i'm sure i'm guilty of this at times Is like when other you can say your comment you made earlier. You don't like watching the us open for four straight days. I hate the person. We'll try to sit there and tell you know you know it's great it's great you don't even realize how great it is. That's that's the way you feel about something like the who am i to tell you what you like. People do this with me with food. They're like how do you not like this. And i'm like i wish i could tell you like. Do you think. I want to not like this kind of food. No i can't control it yeah. I don't like mushrooms. I'm sorry you're forger the it's also like none of these things lineup. I love a two one game. Where one of the pitchers on the mound of clayton kershaw like that. And i understand that on a certain level that is the us open of baseball Yeah i actually. I get that i still don't give a shit. I'm with you there all right. Well there's a few more things i want to cover with you before Before we do have after let you go won. The last thing. I had on the tiger thing is i will honestly just be doing going about random. Bits of my life. And i will think about tiger at the lunch table with all those guys and with six guys or whatever and the check comes and sitting around awkwardly not picking it up and get all of them getting separate checks just think i think i got life figured out and i think that moment. I'm just like what. How does that happen. And here's the best. One of those people is on tv all the time now really and so i see them all the time just on to laugh because we know he was at the lunch. Well in the last thing. I had i may have lied the last thing i actually have. How did you find out who now owns. The famous escalade i saw the number was in the police report for our yep in the police report for the when he had to fire hatchet so with the vin number. I was able to find the car. Was that easy thing to find. No i spent a couple of days. My problem with these things and i'm shirt my bosses will tell you this. The obsession is real like. I'm not like this. Isn't i'm not punching a time card so i've lost a couple of days chasing the escalade for one sentence in the story. Yeah for one sentence and it was a parenthetical. I just got. I got really stuck. And i'm sure your listeners are going to try to diagnose whatever psychological problems daddy but like i. I just couldn't move on until i knew. And so i was like well. You know i'm doing this now. Stupid escalates well. The best part is that neither the guy that bought it or the guy who sold it to the guy that bought it knew that it was. No that's crazy. I wonder if that thing's going to end up in a in a museum somewhere now because now it's i'm sure it's been someone else hasn't now doesn't know we kind of touch on at the top and i was. I was planning to dig a little deeper on. But it's kind of permeated through a lot of this interview but you're the piece you wrote several years back about your dad in the masters and i i would definitely suggest that people do read it but if you could at least kind of tell a bit of that story you'd mentioned regretted not going there with him and i bring that around. I was wondering it was like for you to watch tiger in two thousand nineteen in the article. You cite about talking about the you know. Augusta is for fathers and sons or fathers and children and you. You cited tiger hugging. His dad is one of the. You know the moment that everyone thinks about augusta and then when you see tiger being a dad in that moment did did all those feelings you know. You talked about having emotion on the plane watching that. Did those feelings about your dad. Resurfaced for you in that moment. One hundred percent and the passage of time is an interesting thing. I mean it's interesting book. That's coming out called pappy land and it is. It is the spiritual child of that story. I mean they are used a lot of that story in one part of the book and just sort of ultimately didn't but like all of the questions the book explores about julian van winkle and his father and grandfather and me and my father and grandfather who are questions that were posed in my life both by writing that story and by the incredible reaction to you know i mean it made me realize that. Were lots of people out there who were thinking about these things about their fathers and their children in the same way that i was and you know when i first wrote that story i was like who's going to give a damn about somebody they don't know and that guy's father and the answer is that story isn't i've come to learn and i'm grateful for this knowledge. That story really isn't about me and my dad. It's about the reader and their dad or the reader their son their daughter. You know as i. I have a daughter out another on the way and so i am. I regret the way that i have framed some of these things as father son things because they're really father children things you know and that was. That was me being a moron that was knee writing about something that at the time. I didn't have kids. And i couldn't fully understand but it's a father child thing and you know the the reason i had the confidence to write this book and the book is really intimate and personal and try to grapple with you know my own evolving ceilings about whether god exists and about what kind of father i want to be in one of my dad i wanna pass on and what is better off dying with me. The confidence to write that understand that. I'm not telling people about my life. I'm starting a conversation with friends about. There's that all flowed from both the writing of that story and especially the reaction to it. I can't tell you how often i hear from people man about that story and how much every one of those e mail people stopped me in airports and i. I can't tell you what that means to me. I've read it before. And i read it again last night and it got me thinking a lot and i took it the exact same you just said. The story is not really about your dad. Because i think you just invokes feelings in people about their relationship with their parents or even with their children and i i thought about a really macro level of just saying like. There's very few bucket list true bucket list things in sports in general not even just engulfed in sports. That are things you know. I don't know what else would be on that on. That mount rushmore. But like the going to fenway park or something. I don't know but augusta for a golfer obviously is just like going to a masters with my eyes. I'd never to a masters with my dad. Made me think about that. I've gotten into a lot of cool things with them. And i thought back to my my dad and his dad who was eighty five eighty four. Maybe at the time they went to augusta a few years ago together and it was. And i hadn't thought it through that lens of like wow. They got to do that together. And i now. I've gotten to you know my dad has said. He plays a lot of golf. But he's like. I can still walk thirty six a day so we need to go do scotland you know before. I can't walk thirty six day. That article made me start thinking like okay. I gotta do these things. Because they're doing right now through listening. You need to turn this like if there's something you've wanted to do with your with your father mother or with your son daughter and you just haven't because fuck it cause life you know. No i mean we all. You need to go do it right now. You know. I mean i hear from people who are estranged from their fathers or sons. Their families in this article. The story made them reach out. I mean my god if that's what this is about that's what we're doing. I mean that's you write all these stories so that that one story nans three relationships you like. That's the gift that's the joy of all of this. And so you know. I feel like the book is. I think it's a spiritual child of that story and i hope that you know my wife read it. It was like you wrote eat. Pray for dad's fucked. Don't tell anyone else then embarrassing that is like but i mean she's not unfortunately that floor off and so I mean i'm very asked about that story because the book comes out and you know by the time this airs it will it will. It'll be out it's actually out today. Holy shit amazon hyatt right now that ten of them by thirty of them give them to everybody. You know for real like wow these new shoes but now and so. I've been thinking a lot about that story in the context of this book. This is my favorite interview. I've done. I've been doing them. Non stop in this. One isn't about the book which means i don't s- to go there like these conversations about this book have all been really emotional. So this is like my god can. Can we talk shit about the open some more well. Let's i got a couple of things. That's not our areas. What's that no. We don't broadcast. Now that's nbc. You're good you're good. I'm gonna say folks what you just heard. was someone committing career suicide. That's the part of the shop. If you don't think i would get a phone call about that. Thank god. I didn't even occur to me. This is my problem. I'm bad with the with the notion of consequences. Well i got a couple more questions but while we're talking about the book why don't you We we've mentioned you had some stuff you want to give away to a potential potential that now every year. Julian van winkle has this davis love. The third called pappy cup and they play. Golf is a really good golfer who he likes to think his. So they make gear for this. And like you gotta think everyone knows. No one really likes golf. Everyone just likes to gear my friend. Kevin van valkenburgh. Who i'm like. Do you only wear shirts from fucking majors. We get it to the majors okay. All right Know holy shit. you know. Been a royal say georgia melissa or whatever. It's called okay. Wherever they're playing. The we had this gear. So i have some pappy cup gear than i'm going to be wearing on you know. I got it because i'm going on tv to a bunch of golf stuff. I think. Taffy golf gear if you bought a book about this. Here's a good way to do it. Book is out today. Take a picture of the book in a bookstore or your copy and just tag me on instagram. and riding your story about Your funniest story in the one that i think is the funniest of this pappy. Cup stuff too sweet and like this is like you'll be like people will be like where did you get that. What's the where. Where do they send it to you. so you just. It's thomson books on instagram. just tag me. if you're not on instagram. Send me an email. Pappy land book g. You could get it to me. Sent it to these guys. They'll forward it to me but tell your funniest golf story and a picture of the booker receipt or something. Just so i know you actually bought it and and yeah man. We'll get some cold dear sweet. Well this is in my little grab bag thing questions got asked you before we go and this is this is. This is the part. I warned you that was coming from somebody else. But he told me we're gonna we're gonna play a game. I'm going to name a city and you're gonna tell me where i should have dinner or you're gonna tell the listeners where we should have dinner sound. That's something up your alley. Yeah but now. I'm on the spot. So i wanna do good tough. Let's go. let's let's just selfishly. Start with jacksonville. The place to go to eat in jacksonville waffle house. There you go okay. Anyone in particular no man. They're all great. Okay what about. Let's say if you're in chicago where you going. Oh man see. I'm gonna go to their couple of things you can do one. I'm going to go to georgetti. Somebody get big fat stack. I'm going to go see my buddy. Marco who's a bartender at the billy goat and we'll sit there really booze it up. I like south side chicago pizza. There couple places way down south side way south where you can go I like to go to the south side and eat hot tamales which is a real mississippi delta thing that migrated to chicago. I'm gonna go probably girl and the goat. I really like Oh i'm gonna go to. Oh my god. I can't think of talian. No no no. It's super oh school it is By which park is looking right now seconds by chicago. The tel o two faunas vernon park to go to does vernon park. It's like you know it's i love it. it's really all school got dudes. Jc milan tracksuits. What else i'm on a roll atlanta. Well atlanta you're gonna wanna go bones in atlanta. You're gonna wanna go to gun show. Which is a restaurant. I really like. I like the varsity in atlanta like to go get drinks at manuel's tavern allot in atlanta. That's what i do in atlanta dc. Oh well there are a lot of good places. I like cash eight place. i like. Look man i've really liked bins chili bowl in dc out in virginia. There's a great chinese place that does really great peaking dockage lee popular with navy people. The bar in dc for me is one hundred percent the tune in. I want to go to the tune. In and i really really loved that bar. That's a great barr. I like the bar. I always stayed the hay adams. So i like that. I think it's called on or off the record. There's a hotel bar there. That's like a really great hotel bar. And then dc has a really. There's a great ethiopian place over on use street. There's my friend who took me to last time that i really liked a. There's a lot of good stuff in dc. That was the easy part paris. Oh that's super easy. Look it's called Shazier it's d. C. h. e. z. e. u. x. And it's my favorite restaurant in the world. I love that place so much. Look vote. I have email. I can send you of. Because i've spent a lot of time. There was there for like a month. For the euro's. I've been there a ton for work for like long stretches of time and so i can send you a have an email that i send to people for payers if you won't that easy to find And i'll send it to you because it's like really detailed and it's also like broken down by air dc mall and etc and so but like bucket like last meal on earth is that why. Wow that is an endorsement right there. So you did not disappoint there. That was you. were nervous about that. But that was that was the tip of the tongue. Didn't even have to work too hard for that one. So now you wanna like one you want to. I wanted to be. I really like to you. Don't want to just sort of like named dropped the famous places to be safe. Because you know they're good like so like you wanted to like anyway. That's where i'm at on that. All right man. We are going to let you go. That went predictably longer than i thought it was. Excellent excellent stuff and We really appreciate you on both on the trap. Draw in here it's been it's been fascinating tapping into your experience in your mind. So thanks so much for sharing it. And the best of luck with the book. And i can't wait to see how the mass unfolds this coming week. I'm pumped. I'm going to be on my couch in depth. All right brother thanks again. Thank you fito right club today. I mean that's better than most about. It is better than most expecting different.

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Les Moonves says is fighting the company's decision to deny him one hundred and twenty million dollars in severance payments, who invest leads CBS since two thousand three he left in September after facing accusations of sexual harassment sexual assault and deceiving. Lawyers investigating the allegations Shari Redstone who has a controlling stake in CBS was moving to assert greater authority over CBS in its board. Moonves says. All of his sexual interactions with former colleagues and business associates were consensual in December, the CBS board released a statement saying Moonves would not receive promised severance pay of one hundred twenty million dollars. In federal financial filings. CBS said moon vez is now taking that decision to binding arbitration. It's unlikely he needs the money in his three final full years alone. Moonves was paid nearly two hundred million dollars. According to CBS filings. David Folkenflik NPR. 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Halloween Special: The Kathy Griffin Interview

Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior

1:20:20 hr | 2 years ago

Halloween Special: The Kathy Griffin Interview

"Fifteen years ago. I was still nothing. No conscience knowing standing in the most rudimentary sense of life or death gory ride. This six year old child with this. Emotions face. The blackest eyes. The does. I spent eight years trying to reach another seven trying to people because I realize what was living the heightened that boys is was pewnce. You're about to enter another dimension a dimension on only sight and sound, but of my journey into a terrifying land unimaginable horse next stop the gas lit nations zone. I am Serikin Zere a major l'est who studies of thirteen states in the author of the book the view from flyover country, and I'm Chiluba a writer, filmmaker and activist. And this is the gas Lynch in Halloween special. Yup. And it's sort of hard to compare with the news too. So we're gonna try so happy anniversary cans year. Yes. Tapioca diversity? And I met on Halloween in twenty sixteen and I really believe that for the relationships that impact your life the day. You me has some sort of symbolic. Meaning behind it and ever since we met it's been just a nonstop house oars ever since. Yeah. This is true. We're trapped in we met as you may recall. If you've listened to this podcast, the first three episodes for a recap of twenty sixteen and we met due to the fact that on Halloween night people were talking about the existence of purported, Trump sex state, the famous compromise Tate, and we had both heard about that. And from our unfortunate morbid curiosity into that incident. A beautiful friendship was born partnership for the show. So so we are going to celebrate our friendship and our anniversary with what we love and know best and that is Halloween and all that it stands for. So we have the clown from it hiding in the basement and McDonald's in the White House. We have rose Armitage and get out as his official adviser. That is of course, Vonk Trump. Yes, we have Jared is obviously Damian from the woman. I don't think I need to explain that could just look at six six six thousand. And then we have the media acting like the husband and Rosemary's babies selling their unborn child for access that. Yeah. That or night of the living dead or dawn of the dead. Were you just have a horrid of algorithm? George Romero's arby's or the guys we have Cavanaugh as Jack Torrance from the shining because we all know the scariest thing about the shining was not the haunted hotel. But the abusive alcoholic man who ruthlessly took out his anger on women. And we have the magazine bees who are that kid from the ring. Yes, ARA, and we have as Reagan from the exorcist, I think Sarah Huckabee Sanders, just projectile vomiting onstage daily basis, and then we have my favorite. And this is where I think Stephen King is like, you know, underrated author a huge, huge huge. Stephen King fan, and I feel like he saw this coming when people kinda like they bring up the dead zone, which you should read. 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Eighty three percent of happy customers are willing to review but only twenty three percent actually do reviews matter the way, you show up online determines who shows up at your door. Go to podium dot. Com slash gas lip for ten percent off your monthly subscription. Become the obvious choice online. Go to podium dot com slash gas Flett to get started and save ten percent. The best Steven king book for our time. I think is the stand. And that's because basically like Steve Bannon is Randall Flagg, and I focus on Twitter before. But I just want to read this because there's something quintessentially American about Stephen King is a horror novelist, you know, in the same way. Like, Mark Twain is quintessentially American where they they capture the darkest underbelly of our political culture and turn it into fictions. So this is unfortunately, where we are this week so about Randall Flagg villain and the stand he walked south south on US, fifty one the war and heels of sharp towed cowboy boots clanking on the pavement atoll man of new age and faded peg jeans and a denim jacket. His pockets, stuffed with fifty kinds of conflicting literature pamphlets for all seasons rhetoric for all reasons when this man handed you attract you took it no matter what the subject the dangers of Tomic power plants the role played by the international Jewish cartel and the overthrow of friendly government. It's the CIA contra cocaine connection the farm unions Jehovah's Witnesses the blacks remotes quality, the code of the clan. He had them all in more to there's a button on each breast of denim jacket on the right, yell smile. Face on the left a pig wearing a policeman's cap the legend was written beneath in red letters, which drips to simulate blood. How's your pork? He moved on. Not pausing not slowing but alive to the night. His is seemed almost frantic. But the nights possibilities. There was a boy scout knapsack on his back old and battered there's a dark hilarity in his face, and perhaps in his heart to you would think and you would be right. It was the face of a hatefully happy, man. A face that radiated. Horrible handsome warmth of face to make water glasses shatter in the hands of tired truck. Stop waitresses to make such loadin crash there trikes into board fences and then run wailing to their mommies steak shape. Splinter sticking out of their knees is a face guaranteed. To make barroom arguments over batting averages. Turn bloody. So yeah, that's the stand. This is this is like myself care. I know says to be like going to the spa or like getting manicures or whatever. But honestly since the election of just been losing myself in Stephen King novels because at least there, unlike in the press, you see sort of questioning into morality into the nature of evil and not just supernatural evil at the evil that men can do, and, you know, kind of freaks me out though, that these descriptions of these individuals are so so kind of resonant with time without question, and you know, since this is the Halloween issue. I wanna share a nightmare that I had a couple months ago. So follow me, if you will into the catacombs of my mind, so I had this nightmare that this death eater was hovering over these children. My children, I don't have children. But in the dream, these were my children, and they were in bed in his death. Just kept barreling down on the kids and terrifying them and meanwhile, this Lawrence Humpty Dumpty clown was bouncing around maniacally laughing. And so what it really symbolized was that Trump is a tool of greater evil that is spreading around the world. And we're seeing that now and Brazil with the president that's out trumping Trump and in other parts of the world. It's just this. We're entering some very scary times. And as I wrote in. In a tweeted in December two thousand sixteen that December twenty sixteen said four years from now, we'll have a new world order, and we're headed there, and the people that are going to be in charge. I. Is it going to be the death eaters? I don't know. But it's our children that are on the line. And it's the children getting hardest hit right now on the border, and it's just going to get worse. And so to those who are in free countries like Canada to our Canadian listeners, you are in an absolute paradise right now just understand that every lever of power that you have in your local community you need to work your hearts out right now to turn Canada into progressive paradise pass all the laws that you can for combating climate change by for higher living wages, just really turn Canada into progressive paradise. Take advantage of everything you have. Now, don't take anything for granted like weeded here in the US to get to this crisis point because you have to now lead the world forward. It's not we're not going to win the war in the culture. We have the we have the filmmakers. We have the artists we have all the the. The fearless thinkers on our side. That's why the intelligence it always gets killed. I where the battle has always been in. These big fights is law in the legal system. So change your laws improve your laws reform your laws. Don't take anything for granted make it a progressive paradise be the world leader that we desperately need you to be right now and take absolutely nothing for granted. You're seeing your American neighbors knocking on doors making phone calls. You all need to do that. Now in Canada to fight for the laws that you need to pass to improve the world on on our behalf really take advantage of all the representatives in government who think like you bang on their doors getting their faces sitting there offices and say, hey, we can be doing more for climate change going to be far more aggressive on this, etc. Etc. Please fight like your lives. Depend on it. Now and any little tremor of Steve Bannon death eater, darkness take. Thing over your country fight as soon as it arises and don't be afraid of being called crazy because the alarmists were approved, right. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think, you know, the same goes for all of these countries that are enduring we're enduring now in the US with the election a week away, which is a minority attorney of a minority government that doesn't represent the people. And you see this everywhere, you know, their equivalence to people like me and Andrea in Turkey and Poland and Hungary in the UK in all of these countries that are currently facing extreme right-wing takeovers of their government. You're seeing people lose their rights. You're seeing people who had taken the rights for granted realize how fragile they are. I think just as a as a society in general generals people who care about human rights in who want a future who are in visiting building a future for the next generation. We have to keep fighting. You know as difficult and as heartbreaking as this time is and especially as this last week as there's no choice, and you know, the fight is not just about winning for the sake of winning. It's about being able to live with yourself whether you win or lose it's about values in clarity of conscience that goes above just simple gains. And I think that that's what sustains you when you're in a situation like this, and Sarah, and I have conversations all the time even just before we recording. We're talking about how George Orwell wrote his two greatest works animal farm, the nineteen Eighty-four when the entire world had collapsed around him in the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties with World War Two. And he thought to publish animal farm when his wife's died suddenly in routine surgeries. So he was suddenly a single father raising their Dopp did son and lost the love of his life in his muse. And so Orwell in his despair kept fighting and that gave birth to two. Masterpieces that we continue to rely on. It makes sense of what's going on in the world. So never ever ever give up and just keep fighting and keep building. And if you're in a country like that doesn't have a Trump takeover yet fight like hell to make your country a progressive paradise with some of the most aggressive laws and combating the eagles impact in the world today. So you could really set the standard and lead the world forward. And if this evil can spread than the goodness can spread to -absolutely. And again to reiterate the point of this is not let's beat down the Republicans. Let's beat down Trump. The point of this is protecting people especially protecting the most vulnerable people and creating societies where people can be free where they can pursue opportunity where they can be safe from violence. You know, those are the things that we want everyone likes to portray this as sort of a two sides brawl, but it's a lot more complicated than that. And I think that if we if we reflect on our Val. Values of why we are fighting this which unlike the Republican side, we're not just fighting to, you know, make the Trump supporters feel bad or something which seems to be a primary motivation of some of the people committing violent or threatening actions. It's so that we could have a better quality of life, the quality of life that we deserve. I think sometimes we forget about what we deserve deserve officials who represent us. We deserve our constitutional rights to be respected. We don't deserve to be treated like crap. And that's what's been happening before Trump, but you know, especially under this administration. So never forget that you deserve more than what they tell you. And then fight for that because you are entitled to that. Absolutely. And to our American listeners as Hillary Clinton tweeted, this is our last chance to defend our democracy, November six the midterms please get involved. Now, we have been telling our listeners about a crush, the midterms dot org and telling everyone go there, we're gonna know introduce a new site for every. To go to an addition crush the midterms org. We believe that this site is incredibly effective as well and linking up with people and canvassing going door to door the most effective way to get out the vote and win voters and that is move on dot org site. We love move on. We've great friends there and that site is act ACT dot move on dot org. Act ACT dot move on dot org. Go there link up with an event near you and go help flip some districts because we desperately need to at least the very least takeover the house because canvassing is so critical. We have a special contest going to contest that we're doing for get out the vote for these last chance midterms the first contest is if you go to crush, the midterms org and make your plan in a matter of seconds of how you're going to create the Blue Wave on November six, and you tweet it to us you'll be entered into a contest to win a signed copy of Sarah's book the view from flyover country. That's the first. Contest. The second one is if you are knocking on doors, and you tweet a photo at us a gas nation on Twitter, and let us know where you're knocking on doors. Then we're going to select three winners from the photos, we get and those three winters will be invited to come on gas nation and share your dreams for our country because we are in it for the long haul. We really the house is on fire, and we need to not only put out the fire, but then rebuild it and rebuild it stronger more progressive than ever before. So all right. So we're going to know now the winner of the crush the midterms challenge. It's always something festive and exciting here. And and that winter is okay. So tell me when to stop Sarah stop. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Okay. Okay. So the winner of the crush the midterms challenge you get signed copy of the book. David hough. Congratulations at Hayes owed trope. Onto witter. We love you, David. Hi. And you get your signed copy of Sarah's book as soon as he DM your jam us your address and we'll show up on your doorstep for pug. Okay. And so we have an exciting Halloween extravaganza celebration Seren I met up with v Kathy Griffin. For an interview we cover a lot of the recent horrendous events of the resurgence of Nazism in America with Kathy. And we talk about how you know winter isn't coming. Winter's here everyone's talking about how terrorism is coming to America. No, it's here. It's a it's a thorn Tarrant authoritarianism light. But it's here, and there's no greater proof of that. Then the massive abuse of power that our taxpayers money is funding to go after Trump's enemies and his addictive enemies list, and Kathy we Sarah. And I absolutely do. Not condone the infamous photo where Kathy Griffin held up a mass. Of Trump's head. We do not condone that we think especially in this climate. We have to be so sensitive, and it's a powder keg now in America. And the only way we're going to move forward together as a movement is through peace pieces the way, and that's how the civil rights movement was done. I mean, the southern states turned in the civil rights conventional war zone people put their lives on the line. But the reaction of the way the way to confront that the way things move forward was through piece. It was through piece. It was it was peace overcame piece in law piece in making laws that protect people. So that they're able to peaceful lives and not be attacked by mob violence and discrimination and other systemic problems. But yes at heart. You know, I agree with you that, you know, you have to be careful about the impression you wanna give and just to be very clear, we do not want anyone to assess innate Trump or anybody at anybody, or anyone this is an anti assassination show Beilin is self destructive. Conflict is self destructive. If you are an activist working to save your country's save democracy in America. You are first and foremost, a peacemaker. You are a piece worker we're all peace workers now. And that was what was shown to us through the example of Martin Luther King and many others. And and that's the only way out of this. I have to show one thing, and this comes through in the interview is that you know, anger and violence or not the same thing. And I'm pro anchor on this very angry show because you know, is often in expression of compassion for people who are being her. And there are many things that we should be angry about it's a normal human reaction to pain into horror and violence. So we're not saying like chill out. It's cool just smile and put on a happy face and all the work. Well, that's not what's going to happen. You know, you're gonna have to fight. We're basically just saying don't go out and shoot people, which is apparently common reaction to our political problems. Stays that kind of violence is is horrifying. We condemn. It and we condemn these little memes and things that make light of the situation. And that encourage people of unstable mind, actually out and commit these actions in reality. Which is why Kathy's story is particularly interesting this week. Of course, was the week of the maga- bomber a guy who for years drew van around the United States with pictures of Democrats who he had viewed as targets who designation this targets on his van. He tweeted threats to them. He tweeted threats of murder to numerous people. And then of course, he went and made good on those threats. He sent actual bombs too many the individuals in question. And so this guy apparently who did have a criminal record. He had record of domestic violence. I think he had a record of, you know, trying to bomb people in the past you'd think he would have been on the radar of the FBI the police the secret service, even but. No, he was doing this out in the open. And meanwhile, Kathy Griffin is on the INTERPOL list and Kathy Griffin is unable to take commercial planes and going through all this. So there really is a dichotomy here, we're not taking threats from actual militant individuals who intend to carry out acts of physical violence seriously enough, and we're focusing on celebrities and people who make offhand comments and people who make mild criticism or confront Republicans in restaurants and trying to treat that as if it's somehow equivalent or as big a threat as the actual people making threats, and it's just it's simply not we have to stop this both sides nonsense. It's destructive detracts from the actual threat at it turns people it plays into this rhetoric of Trump about enemies of the state and about people murder being justified and. I mean, it's just a horrible environment. And I think we all realize that after last week's events, I'm not sure I need to spell out more. Clearly, but you'll you'll hear more of it in the interview and Kathy Griffin. She apologized for what she did Trump continues to fan the flames of hatred and white supremacist terrorist groups continue to be the number one terrorist in America. Trump space is terrified of terrorist crossing the border. They're already here. His base is the greatest threat to America. And I wanted to say if you were outraged by the Kathy Griffin photo, you should be also outraged by what she has been put through by the US government art tax dollars paid for Kathy Griffin to be relentlessly harassed the DO the department of Justice had a file on her the feds interrogated her for a very long ago, she -ation with between her lawyer, and the US government, and they wanted to create a perp walk where she was all handcuff. They wanted to Hugh. Humiliate her absolutely crush her because thord -tarian regimes. Do they destroy anybody? They see as an opponent. They try to crush your spirit, and silence you and destroy you. She apologized in her career suffered terribly her. She lost dear friendships, and it really put her through absolute hell, and that's happening to a lot of people who are sticking their necks out right now, and that's not normal. None of this is normal. And so what we really want to draw attention to the other side of that infamous Kathy Griffin photo the side that very few people realized just how disturbing this is. And what it means a about where we are right now in America. So again, everybody online, you know, people who are who are liberals who are progressive who called out Kathy Griffin for that photo. You should also be calling the Trump regime out for how the hell that they put her through. I just wanna say, you know, obviously, the secret service, obviously, United States government. They have a composite for the type of person that would. Fascinate a president. They know what that type is like, they know they know what threats are most likely credible. Kathy griffin. Provocateur? She has a long history of of crazy scandalous stunts. Like she did ice bucket challenge. Completely naked and like spreading goal. Okay. This is Kathy Griffin. She is not someone that is underground hate group. That is all loaded up with ammo and playing militia she is provocateur, very clearly, and the fact that they treated her like a terrorist, as as, you know, a top threat, she was put on the no fly list along with other terrorists. That's not normal. None about his normal. So again, if you're outraged over the photo, you should be absolutely incensed over this and what she was put through and what our tax dollars wasted on. So with that. Let's go the Kathy Griffin interview. So we are here with Kathy Griffin alot the Queen of gasoline Asian. I love it. You know, I used to just be a mere dealers celebrity, and I was really perfectly happy until I became a high ranking member of ISIS, which is what the far right wing will have you think? So while that situation almost did really truly ruined my life, and it's an ongoing situation for me because it's such a are thing that even I through all my years of doing stand up and all the crazy sort of show business situations. I've been in never could have imagined that a sitting president would make history in very bad way by just targeting an American citizen in trying to decimate her in that those are the words of down junior. I call him any Munster and sure enough ever since they have tried to ruin me and make me unemployable and under uninsurable. And now all the stuff is coming out about how they were clearly in bed with everything from TMZ show business, like guilty pleasure blog. And then you find out there's a blogger Harvey Levin. A gay man who's a full maggot, which I can't understand your major advocate for gay rights. Of course that I I don't know what he thinks this part is president would ever hold for him. But his very proud of the friendship and admitted that he speaks to the president and they're nuts. Yes. That's right. So, unfortunately, I didn't think Roseanne Barr, which are not to be Nazi. So I I don't know what's going on. But in any event, you know, one of the reasons I like doing the left your head off tour is obviously by the title leaning into the photo. I'm not not talking about the elephant the room. But also like you ladies, I'm frustrated by how people are normalizing this behaviour, and as someone who is living under the spectre daily. And like I said like it or not my stories historic. And when the department of Justice stepped in the after the photo and put me under an open investigation. And we're considering me and treating me like fake could charge me, and they could. If they wanted to with a lot of people don't know this is what they did. I didn't interrogation under oath with the feds two federal agencies the secret service in the USA. So the ASA was ready to prosecute if they found any evidence and the charge was conspiracy to assassinate the president of the United States, which holds a life sentence. So that's never happened. I mean, God love Lenny, Bruce. He's one of my heroes, but you know, the cops would arrest him. And then let him go like, my good friend stormy Daniels. What happened in Columbus that be thing? But never before has it happened. And of course, I think if there's no coincidence that happened to a fifty seven year old female comedian. So sorry, I think there's quite a bit of ageism and misogyny thrown in with this crowd very quickly so two things here. So first of all the Trump himself has threatened the life of Hillary Clinton molten multiple with impunity. Yeah. It's a what you did the famous photograph of you holding up a severed head of Trump. It's like eighteen image, the French revolution image. It's. On par with Charlie Hebdo river from France. And trust me. I had crazy thoughts ideas that the photographer Tyler shields. I had no idea who would give it to TMZ, and he wouldn't give me the copyright and he has series I'm not flex now. But feel setup by him. I felt set up after the photo. I mean, first of all it really was a mask with catch up. So I actually do a bit about my show. But I even have to tell people like it wasn't an actual head. Like, if I've at least convince you it wasn't Trump's head because you know, I'm not a surgeon. But I don't think he would have survived that, you know, getting past all the notions that I would even be nicest to begin with. But things get so crazy that I thought the picture was so over the top and I've been in Hollywood fake controversies before. But I what I didn't realize at the time. And by the way, the photo was released days after Muller was positioned. And which means days after Komi was fired which is the purge which was a perfect time to find a target like me. And I think that you know, I've known Trump since the nineties I met him when he had three lines on suddenly Susan sitcom, I was on with Brooke Shields. He's hired me twice to roast him. I know the grown kids. I don't know the little kid, but I know the wife, you know, all of them and so. So I've had many many run ins with him. We sat next to him for four hours at a Larry King roast one night. You know, just would run into him at NBC universal vents all the time during the apprentice it cetera et cetera. So once again, the idea that he kind of acted like this was so shocking. And by the way, I love that you went to Shirley ab- dough, and your Spiegel and places because of course, I had a dream of doing something artsy or you could call it a joke or you could just call it offensive. But Hillary Rodham Clinton actually mentioned in her audio book that she was prized by the outcry because it was clearly a send up of perseus and Medusa which I am too stupid to know. I thought that I was actually ironically sticking up for that painted ES Megan Kelly who I have no love for. But as you know, when he's famously said there was blood coming over is blood coming right wherever that's right. I thought well, okay. Let's get a mask see how he likes it. When there's blood coming out of his wherever seven people will see this picture. A couple of people comment on my Twitter, you go girl. And that's usually my life goes. Yeah. And yeah, it is debatable. Whether you would have the same outcry in France, they would have just probably not really paid much attention. That's why I was able to successfully over seas. And after it was taken off the no fly list, which was on for two months. That's also impressive ended. I was detained at every single airport. And I went to fifteen countries in twenty three cities. So the shows went really well. And you're right everywhere. Overseas all they do the minute. The here in American accent? Is they say what the hell are you guys doing over there? And you have to try to explain gerrymanders than you think I was tell them into college, and they started rent sacked and they've been chipping away from the bottom on our team teams of from the top down. I remember wounded cafe like broke, my heart. She said, you know, all the American say they didn't vote for Trump and I'm such a bitch. I took my phone out. And he showed the picture and she's like, oh, your her. Oh, you're you. You really didn't vote for him. So it did serve a purpose in one cafe and Antwerp. Yeah. Well, so I wanted to say conversation, especially in the light of the news today yet another Nazi shooting. So you were targeted for that photo. I was I was targeted by the maga- bomber by the mega-bombs. We'll get into that. But I just want to say you apologized you suffered you suffered you cooperated with the feds you went through the ringer with our it was some authoritarian targeting abuse. You cooperated with the feds, the feds are really coming after you making an example, the president punishing you, right? And I did not break the law in anyway, I did not violate the first amendment in any way. And as I like to joke. I know that I went back and forth. Honey, I may not know the other ones, but I know that I won back and forth because it's my commodity. And there's a reason it's the first and the the points there, and I were making earlier today was Kathy came out and owned that she suffered for her career. Suffered for it. Her her and ships mental health suffered for it because you are put through hell blacklisted in Hollywood. I still can't get anyone to do television special. I have the Guinness Book of records record actually the record holder for having done. More televised stand up comedy specials than any comedian male or female living dead because I've always wanted to try to do bunk that theory that chicks aren't funny. Yeah. All right. I'll be in the Guinness Book of world records and still considered scary and toxic. And Hollywood by the actual check signers. Yeah. They're not that important when we will get them later, but I do want to say you've owned that you've apologize. You haven't put out a series of more severed head photos. Meanwhile, Trump Trump when a synagogue gets shot up when he is having a family is having one of the most important moose special personal moments in the history of that line of their family. Neo. Not like a crazy comes into shoots the place up and Trump is not owning anything college is absolutely shameless. First of all, I don't believe religious houses of worship should have armed guards. Just I don't believe school should. And if anyone knew any statistics, especially if you're a woman, I think it's something crazy like you're ninety five percent more likely to have your own gun turned on you by a male that you know. So there's a statistic that women they really suppressed that in the NRA Daniel Loesch, or whatever her name is who sells by the way beat powder on the side. I don't know if you know this outer beat I'm not kidding protein powder. So she's with Alex Jones and like the far right supplements. I mean. Right. Is it setting guns or supplemented they now? And as you know, she's been famously quoted on tape as saying, you know, all these shootings are great for our NRA moms, and she's an attractive woman. And so their game is becoming more clear, but I feel like I've just in a position where I kind of have no choice to tell at least my reality. So I make a promise to the audience and say, look, I do have very long show. And first of all I do apologize for that to the audience because I say you're allowed to take as many bathroom breaks you like, but my show is now balloon to three hours because things keep unfolding. I mean, there's a lot of funny that is still unfolding, and I can I can make fun of Sarah. Fuck Sanders all day, just for fun. But on the other hand the fact that I'm looking at a tweet from the maga- bomber from June. Meaning here's this crazy guy Nazi running around. Although he he doesn't he's Filipino. Like. He doesn't know he's Brown Brown person. So I and he's. That's his biggest fear is that we're going to be overtaken by various levels of Brown. People say can't confessed enough. Let's start becoming the minority. I need why need to be the minority. And I also have asked every male that I know to just let women run everything for two years. Just it's my political platform. It's the two year plan, and then we'll slowly give it back to the guys. And a lot of gay men are on board already think, of course, of course, leading the way every time. So anyway, I do tell the audience stuff like the maga- bomber tweet thing. And of course, it's a comedy show. And I work on weaving it in way that isn't horrifying to them. So make maybe joke about myself after. But I do think it's important that they know because sometimes people really really gasp and also it's not it's now anyone anyone can be subject of these guys Eire's. I mean like you said folks just going to the house of worship or school. And yet they ramp up the rhetoric each time, and I feel like there's this weird situation. Where people like Trump or the alright at these endless second chances and all of their rhetoric is normalized, even though it's leading to results like this. It's leading to synagogues getting shot up. It's leading to the, you know, the lunatic in the van driving around with like all the mysterious can I shop one thing. I'm gonna get in trouble for this. I'm sorry. I got a call Bs like where was Miami PD and Miami FBI. I'm sorry. Look, I'm a big fan of all of it. I believe in government even with everything I've been through with having a lifetime prison sentence over my head. I think God for the PI. They saved my life. I'm working with them again with this incident. But I just I played the south many many times, and I will tell you when I have seen vans with even close to that. Maybe even just one confederate flag sticker. I'm scared like hell, and I'm thinking, you know, if I'm on my way to a show on thinking. All right. Well, I can't stay in town like fight this battle. But we're I'm sorry. We're all the police officers and be I and former FBI, and frankly. Security guards. We're we're all those people, you know, that saw that van on the daily basis, and I watched the interview with the lesbian general manager of the pizza parlor place. He was the delivery guy four and God love her. She says, I'm proud lesbian. And you know, he would tell me if he could he could burn me, you know. I mean, we did have political views, but I couldn't fire him for that. And I I'm watching Kate Baldwin. You could tell she's thinking, ma'am. No your rights. You may think you can't fire someone for political reasons. But if you're supported has threatened to burn you because you're gay you're allowed to fire him. And then and I know this is I'm gonna get in trouble for this too. But welcome to America. Her response is like well, he was on time. And there was no theft. And I'm like, okay, really is that what we've come to. So that's one of the things I'm struggling with is. I find it hard to believe that there aren't hundreds of people who saw that van and kind of gave it a secret thumbs up. Yeah. I mean, that's what's mystify. We talked to you. You had a photo. It was a parody a political statement. And if you owe dri Trump rarely you have no criminal read you never threatened to decapitate arrest rented to assassinate nice dude has a criminal record. He had threatened to bomb people. He's driving around the country with literal like targets politicians and spend some actual bums. I'm with you. I understand why you were taking seriously as a threat triple level threat in this guy is just cruising around obvious. You know, serious problem, and then it did become one. It's because he's white. I mean, if let's let's cut the shit if he was black. He would have been dead along time ago, he would've been dead the first arrest, and he sure as held dead now. So once again, it's it's hard to have to watch the people of color community have to once again watched the police, I don't want to say, you know, gingerly take him out they shot him and everything. But it's a reality. What game are we playing? It's always the same type of white guy. So let's cut the. It's not going to be a woman and all the left wingers with their crazy like trying to spin it for Bernie fan and all this other stuff. And then I'm sure you've seem interviews at rallies, which by the way, at what point do we stop interviewing the same eight thousand people keep going to the same rallies in the same towns because as you know, the maga- bomber also attended I believe three rallies. So it's not like Trump is building his base. But let's stop giving these idiots airtime because it's not the other America or the real America. Right. I don't think they're covering enough or barely at all. And what our international audience needs to try to understand is that America now is being held hostage by a minority. We're being terrorized by the minority. And so why do you think that the New York Times, especially writes, all these Nazi fetish pieces when they should be digging into the roots of the issue, which is of course, letroy? Troll college. How why why owning has much voting power in congress as California the population differences, so Americans in terms of what our preferences are politically we're far more liberal. There's more of us are absolute this a we are in a hostage situation. Could you speak about that why the Nazi puff pieces and why not the root of issue? Well, I mean, I love the publisher of the times is a male and the editor at large is a male. And I think you guys I'm sure, you know, about it was Glenn Thrush that was finally kind of turfed out kind of half ass. And I would think that there may be some women reporters there that are as my friend, Gloria Steinem would say colonized because after the election, I went to start him. And I said how how did this happen? And how the fuck did fifty three percent of white women vote for this guy. How and she said these have to be women that are colonized. And it doesn't matter if they're upscale or they went to an Ivy league school. They can be colonized just like. A woman in a trailer park think she has no options, and I am so disheartened as a lifelong feminist to realize that's where we are. But I think the times has to be a lot more blatant in their reporting because it is reporting use the word Nazi. That's what it is. And also, even the were nationalised is being kind of normalized because anyone who isn't politically engaged at all might think. Well, I love this nation. I must be a nationalist. And Trump is counting on that. And his entire cabinet. I'm reading about halfway through the Bob Woodward book, and it is unbelievable. I mean, it's it's I can't put it down because it's like a crazy novella from an insane asylum, and somehow the heroes are rub porter and Gary Cohn. So that's not a good sign. That's you know, you're off a cliff. That's right. That's right. But what I'm not sure is I've thought about this a lot is the people that are really enjoying being off the cliff. You know, like I said the people that go out of their way to come at me. And I guarantee you in my personal case. I've been in their homes on their television sets for decades. I mean, I'm no new new person to the scene. You know, it's not like the my kind of comedy has changed. It's always been in your face. And I've been doing stand up so long for so many administrations I can attest to years and years of being able to stand on stage and make fun of every single president, regardless of their party. I mean, they've all got to be included in the act somehow and yet ever since Trump started even talking about campaigning, and you Sarah been so good about reporting. How many decades back his willingness to actually be the president to serious seriously wanted to be the president goes and in his bumbling moronic way of kind of fishing and trying to figure out how to get there? He found enough equally twisted people to get him. They're exactly it was just a coalition of corruption. And we were talking about how the GOP such a good target for all of the Russians all of it. So on the media, we did an entire segment looking at the economic. Klein of the media, just how many jobs have been lost just in the last ten years alone, and whose left standing right, and so new rooms across the board, whether mainstream outlets or the literary journals, it's all white men and some white women, and it's very few people of color. So we're getting our our information to a very privileged white lens. And that's and so is that the same in Hollywood, the people that have turned against you are you up against that same dynamic. Oh, it's it's horrible. I mean, it's you know, I make a joke in my act that you know, about these women that complain about eighty cents on the dollar where do I sign when you're a stand up comic. It's a nickel on the dollar. I mean when I was so gloriously fired by CNN as if I was a CNN employees, which I miss you on on that issue. But you know, I opened about an honest about it because I'm used to being in a male dominated field for so long. It didn't even occur to me to CNN to pay me the first two years. I did it and. So the eighth year when Jeff Zucker had taken the show from ninety minutes he was going to start it. But there now and balloon to four and a half hours the eighth year of doing the show. I really enjoyed doing it. And to be honest last year's Anderson just showed up day of and four and a half hours is a lot of television. And I love doing it. But it was a lot of work. And so the eighth year I called Jeff who had been my boss at NBC any tree to be like a dog there too. And I said, you know, I think it's time for race come on. All right. We got four and a half hours set of ninety minutes, and because I had the audacity to personally call him. And he kept saying you're personally calling me personally as in like, where's the male intermediary? Like our Emanuel, which I did not think would fight for me. And so what happened was he gave me a thirty percent payback. We docked me thirty percent for my last two years molest years of doing New Year's Eve. Because I had the audacity so I don't need to be rude. But fuck Cheryl Sandberg and that fucking book Lena, and I'm gonna throw it out because she's needs to lean back out. And my new topic is the social media companies because I'm like now almost frayed of them more than me, but in any event, so now anything can be propagated. But in my experience in Hollywood in the entertainment industry, it actually is important because like are not we are the storytellers and historically been people on the right that want to ban are there myself or a different artists or whatever it's such bullshit. It's like all those white guys the claim we're going to ban the NFL because kapernick. Yeah. Right. You know, they're still watching the same games and the same teams just popping off on Facebook. Unfortunately in Hollywood, you know, like when TMZ is really an aggressive aggressively misogynistic and racist and sexist website. And they've been coming for me. And unfortunately, people in Hollywood thing TMZ is like a newspaper, and I'm actually glad that David pecker flipping was revealed because. Believe it or not one of the globe and the Enquirer and us weekly do pieces about someone like me saying that I have lupus that I'm bald it might sound silly. And funny, but it actually makes me to a lot of these stupid. Check signers in Hollywood. And it's about six old white dinosaur men that are signing all the checks. She's you know, there's not one single woman who has authority to sign a check in Hollywood. So I love shonda rhimes. I love all the powerful women, but shonda rhimes has to go to Bob idir, and I don't play golf blogger. So that's why I'm not a good Morning America. And that's how it works. It's the old boys club, and there's the star chamber, and it was for campaign to bring it all back, and of course, to stifle voices like mine, I'm in a little different category than obviously the me two times up. But believe me, there's a real effort to protect the memory of Leslie Moonves, you know, and I wrote Julie Chen vicious DM. You know, I just wrote you fucking bitch. How could you fuck do this? How can you fucking do this who how desperate argue? And you know, I guess I won't be on the talk for a while. What you know what I'm a feminist. I and I can't stand Leslie and he treated me like shit. And he I spoke about him one time he issued a statement against me. All these guys are so big on issuing statements. And I'm so glad he's out of there. So I'm actually going to do the bare show for the first time in December. And I really think it's Leslie's finally gone. Oh, does when in Hollywood when you're a woman and the boys have it out for you like I said, it's a whisper campaign. You know, there's a guy named Jay Cirrus who's the head of an agency called UTA, and they declined to represent me. And he got some good press for declining to represent Meghan Kelly who's also very famous and beautiful racist attractive very truck racist. You know, so I just tweeted O J. Sarah sounds familiar you passed on me, even though I'm a very steadily working client and I've won two Grammy. And of course, you know, he immediately started calling around, you know, he didn't call me. He doesn't have any balls. You can call me and go. All about let's talk about this. I haven't talked for while. It was just calling the other broS to be like oh that bitch. Kathy Griffin is talking again. And I am how I mean. I can't wrap my head around that. Because we read you read you directly. We don't have any sort of middleman or lens, we go directly to your voice on Twitter. And we are so impressed by how you are tracking this horrified history in the making like you're calling it for what it is. So obvious that I don't know why everyone else isn't. Yeah. I mean, that's something. That's interesting to me as journalists because I've seen journalists stumble over this and not call lie ally and not call racist a racist. And it's been comedians in cer-, certainly female comedians have come to the fore like we had Machel. We'll. Yes. I have a story in my show. I was there. I was invited to the White House correspondence dishes, it whole Larrea the best. And there was the mass exodus by the Republicans. That was all the lady's lap match lap and his beard wife starting their crap. And you know, it was that's what they do. They start these whisper campaigns, and when you're female like Michelle, and I went to the mat for her because I'm on a mission to make sure it never happens to anybody because I was the test case, and the idea that they would try to get Samantha b fired and then Sarah Huckabee brings it up over and over, and they threw my name of that argument is well, and, you know, this idea of trying to complete Roseanne being a Nazi with Samantha b who is a no political comedian with a show. That's very open about what it is. And as of another female comedian, I'm so happy, she has a television show that the last thing we need is for the stupid president who doesn't even know what she's talking about to get her fired or in my my case banned for life man for life. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's interesting too. Because you have a large following you've got Twitter fall, you're selling out. All your shows. You know, one thing I've noticed this Licitra is the bottom line when people usually just want financial win. You know, you would seem like a financial wind would seem like all these women and all these people speaking out against Trump. There's a massive audience for that. Yes. You have on CNN like a bunch of Trump latkes filling in as you know, legit journalist, you have a lack of kind of outright criticism within Hollywood. I mean, there's some something will happen. Like Taylor swift full makes them fairly mild criticism. But it's so -ffective might turn Tennessee blue like the logic here. Baffles speaks thinking they're not thinking about money. They're not thinking about morality like what the hell are they thinking about like what is the endgame for these people to blacklist people into work against their own interest? In a way, that's censorship in the end. Yes. And they also don't think head, and you know, it's like to my remaining. Republican friends and very few at this point, obviously. But you know, I always pose the question. How do you think Flint water can't happen to you? How do you think that money can get you out of Flint water, you know, and even even a climate denier might not even deny the water in Flint. But that's the part that I don't understand. So I've already been through the whole generation of like, Kathy, your vulgar. It's about the children don't say it's all about the children and out of these people. I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, I mean, it's a dark show but pussy grabber and chief how can it be? That's right. That's right. And people think the EPA is bad, and they don't understand that regulations are for their own protection, much less children. And you're right. There's not enough reporting on the remnants of hurricane Michael. I saw one Brian Williams today last thing before we go minute about it. And it's the only thing I even saw on MSNBC and Ryan Williams who made shit up. That's right. Here's and and got her own show, whatever go shop. Bac got his job back. Yeah. That's right. There's a lot of that going around. You'll see you're going to see all these meal comics, come back. Yeah. I mean, let's say hardly cast two shows on NBC. Well, now, I don't know Chloe Dykstra. But I read that medium essay ended extremely specific. And being a woman who put yourself out there. And you ladies know, this to be true. You don't do that shit unless you have your ducks in a row and the less, you know, the time is right. And unless you feel could help women and that is her only motivation. So she basically got a need Hild by Hollywood. And yet I'm the same as he's on. Sorry. So comics wanted to bait with me all people about what's the gray area. And I go you're talking to a female comic. Okay. I've never guess what? I've never had a spotter, which is what all the guys have. They have a friend who spots out hot girls and the audience that the male comics can fuck after the show, and I had I had a very famous comedian asked me three years ago if I had a spotter. And I went I go first of all I'm a chick. Okay. So first of all, we don't do that. Second of all my boyfriend is my tour manager we live together in sin so cute, by the way, stronger ladies. Yeah. But also, I just was like the guy who said it to me was almost my age, and I'm like Potter. I haven't heard that one for a while. So I just want to say in the world of comedy. It's really really backwards. It's really bad. And there's, you know, the the interesting thing about the Hardwick story, you'd have to go look it up, but the syndrome that she described which was like these nerdy guys becoming famous for the sense of humor, which you know, if you're a woman, it doesn't quite work that way, you have to be about ten times better than the guys and a lot of it is focused on your looks. And you know, the guys can look like Kevin James and women can't and all this other stuff. But she wrote an interesting connection about a lot of guys, and I I would actually apply this to Trumpers, frankly, if they felt for some reason that they were too nerdy or something. And then somehow they got into position with Chris Hardwick, he became a celebrity so all of a sudden at hair and makeup, and they cleaned him up. And he was dating a Hurst. And so now he's on touchable. And a lot of other do. Dude, look up to that. And they're sitting home on the couch going man, I I don't even look at female comedians. But there's a dude I'd like to be like, and I think that syndrome also encourages the Louis CK type of Baviere, and I'm sure Louis would admit like, oh, I never thought it'd be famous and be able to have sex this much. And if I have one more guy out Baldwin called me and said the day after that have you called Louis and checked in on him. I said, no, I first one was number. Second of all I'm sorry. But I may be offensive in vulgar, but Louis pulled his dick out and ruined the dreams of women that were starting careers in comedy. And that crap happened to me my whole career constantly. So anyway, the false equivalency happens in in Hollywood as well as in the we consider the newspapers of note as well. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And it's always we survived by other women coming. Defense like other women calling this bad behavior out. We did an entire report looking at newsrooms and and strong female reporters are being targeted by hit pieces. It was other female reporters that other outlets saying known. This is this is nonsense. And so thank you so much for for Michelle Wolfer for what you said about her that I am Samantha b started online campaign aerial also aerial Dumas. And yes, a writer for holbert whom I've met his absolutely lovely and the writer who learned fired from SNL. The other thing is you should know. Like, learn mile kills boys club. You know? Those guys are not going quietly into the night. I mean, I actually published a letter I got from CBS board member that was so shocking that there was actually a woman's comedy troupe. The reenacted it and it was after the photo and he was on hundred percent serious. And he was saying that I should write Trump, and I should go into the office on my hands and knees begging for an apology posted on Twitter. Posted it because I went wait a minute. I've worked at CVS for a while this the board of directors, and I hate to say that's real power. So when you talking about even you know who they pick as the nightly anchor that's who's deciding less moon Moonves who just got fired for sexual improprieties and this guy Arnie couple sin who wrote me that insane letter. And yet he also defended Lesley after Lesley was accused of all this stuff. So I'm sorry to say, nothing's changed since I started any one thing that I tell people is just indisputable fact is people forget that. It wasn't hasn't been since my dear departed friend Joan rivers that any network. Check signer has allowed a female. No matter how -ccomplish to have a nightly late night talker. Wanda sikes had a weekly show on FOX for a little while, you know, Chelsea was on cable, and that's great cement the bees once a week on cable. But just people think of nothing that there hasn't been a female since Joan and we. Took over the tonight show. I was a little kid in Illinois thinking, oh, it's going to be fifty fifty now half the nighttime shows will be really funny, women and half will be really funny men and everybody wins and you're right. They don't get the concept. Everybody would have won. But they're so dug in on this white guys only then men of color are next. And let me be honest, ladies, we are still the bottom of the barrel. We are still the last call, and that's the way it's still really, isn't entertainment. And then they say that women aren't funny. Right. Right. And I was go really I view I love Lucy because I love what these TV show runners always white guys say, well, you know, the problem is that female driven comedies don't make as much money as male driven comedies. And then that's what I always go. Yeah. I love Lucy didn't make a penny. That's why it's still running seventeen times a day in every city in the world trae early when Bright's me came out and everybody was shocked that it made money. It's like, maybe if you just give the opportunity every once in a while, it's very assist, and they always. Oh, yeah. In the end. And that's what blows my mind is that that that desire for? Patriarchal control, it Trump money like you really want that if you're going to Trump money. Yes. And that's one of the reasons I always say to young women when a what their businesses hold onto your money and talk about it. So I talk about it. A lot more frequently and I- brag about it on care if I saw like an asshole. But let me tell you something I have probably made about seventy five million dollars over my career and think about the Adrian. That's right. I said, you know, so I'm thinking about this guy. Jay Cirrus and thinking, well, you didn't want ten percent of seventy five million dollars because you just didn't want to deal with Kathy Griffin. Are you had whatever pre conceived notion? Okay, dude, I'll I'll happily keep it because I freaking save it. And let me tell you. I bought my house cash, and it was ten and a half million dollars. And I say it proudly because I can't get a Netflix special or HBO special and all these guys are getting forty million dollars. And I just go, you know, when I bought my house cash and thank God. Because I don't know if after this tour, I don't have one single day of paid. Work ahead of me after November fourth. In my inner Joan rivers, of course, is dying because I have that old school. I work. I've heard documentary the one where she said that she openly in the world that's have emptied. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Same way. Absolutely. We used to talk about this incessantly. And we, you know, I just love to make people laugh. I don't care if it's a commercial or alive show or a special or sitcom and yet knowing that like I said my entire future is that the hand of about six white guys who just don't care for me. They think I have the audacity to want to be successful to wanna be well known to want to make people laugh to on have a little authority in the business that I've worked forty years in. I've got the hardware when I I have to eight nominations, and when I meet with production companies and say, hey, no offense, but I'd like to only meet with fraction companies that also have an EMMY, and that always turns into a no or like who do you think you are? And I go I'm the one with two motherfucker. I have the hardware. What do you have did a pilot for? TLC? Okay. That's great. I did a gazillion student films for free, you know. And so I'm still just at least trying to win the argument. Like like any dude I worked my way up the ladder the hard way. I mean, I didn't even probably get paid the first ten years. I worked I was volunteering and teaching and doing improv. And I think I was in the growling improv company where you had to pay dues to perform. So I was a what we call the temp back in the day Kelly girl, Monday through Friday, and I think that women need to talk about that too. If you wanna do this. It's going to be a struggle. Like, I never lied to women about comedy like, yeah. You probably if you do one good fifteen minutes set, you'll get a big show. That's not honest. And that's what's also striking me about like, you said the way that even my beloved near times covering all this. I don't wanna say they're being dishonest. But I mean, it's a little bit by dishonesty by omission, isn't it? There's a sense that their control. Old somehow by somebody else. And I don't mean they're getting direct orders from the Trump administration, but just kind of a low level fear, and I don't know whether it's fear of losing access. I don't know whether it's fear of threat. I don't know whether there is you know, the same sort of blackmail and bullying tactics that Trump in his crew have used for the last four decades like why Wednesday was probably be on a subversive level. I mean, they probably wouldn't be as overt is that. But I'm wondering how they deal with the statistic about how they covered Hillary Clinton's emails so much more than Harry Reid coming out and saying they're Russians interfering conspiring. Let's stop collusion and meddling. Right interfering. Our adversary and that alarm bell didn't hit even with the New York Times. Like, I almost feel like that should have been a moment where you know, when I was a kid. I mean, I remember if it was Jimmy Carter or I don't know even Nixon or Reagan or something literally taking to the prime time airwaves when something like that was happening and breaking into. I dunno whatever show. It was watching whatever prime liberty budget something. And saying like, there's something our nation needs to know. And there's something now there's a virus going on everywhere where no one seems to have the balls to say that like I have this fantasy that all the living former presidents will like by an hour of prime time. And just look at the world and let the world see it and have all of them. Explain exactly what is really really happening. And I don't know what to tell you. Because without that. I think people have the impression that it's not as bad as it seems. And now finally two years later, they've figured out the obvious all laid out in front of us. Yes. Trump warned us would just confess everything. He was going to write anything he had done every illegal acting. He did. And there are no reprecussions. And I think that left people at this impression that it was in serious. And that's why we have show gasoline nation because we have a whole country that feels completely confused by the dichotomy here. Why do you think that Americans were so easy? Why do you think we were so easily taken by like why why was it like I knew Clint watts said? Which I didn't know until I read his book that Putin has been doing this. He's been practicing on his own people with all the they have their own version of Facebook, which I didn't know and the disinflation and even memes, and like all kinds of crazy ways to experiment, but I gotta say as a fifty eight year old woman. It is discouraging that we got take in so quickly and easily. I we talked about this on the show. It's because American the American voter didn't care about Ukraine getting care about Russians like what a gay rights in. Russia have to do with the election in two thousand sixteen. They just couldn't make the connection. And so someone somebody that's been following Ukraine very closely for several years and writing about it. I was screaming to everybody. They're gonna do this here. It's going to spread or the mood of our can't protect us. It's it's all it's all a cyber world. And I remember journalists friends saying Andrea voters don't care about Ukraine. Look now another mouth, but look I I have hundred sounds like me. No, look, I perform one of the things that hurt me was the military turned on me after the photo and that hurt because I was working with to military groups aviation and vet dogs dot com, and also vet Tix. And I would give out tickets veterans because I performed in more zones in Iraq and Afghanistan Afghanistan off camera with the USO in Iraq in this Mizzou gratifying, it's incredibly gratifying, and also, you know. You know, my dad was veteran a cetera. But what you learn by going when you actually go to those owns it's just a completely different landscapes. So the idea that we have a president who hasn't even been to a record Afghantistan and says things like he's the most militaristic person too, many military families who voted for him. And I'm wondering where the disconnect is where they don't go. Gosh, my son was killed or I have another son there, and because he couldn't get work here. He joined the enforces and yet the president can't be bothered to go to Kabul. I went. I stood there. And I mean, I can't tell you how many incidents there were there were times when we were doing a show, and they had to turn off every single light on the entire base for certain amount of time because there was enemy fly overs and things like that. Maybe, you know, first of all Trump is hopeless. But I'm curious why more of the citizenry doesn't say, hey, I like Trump. I also like the military, maybe I should start asking my other Trump friends about like, we should encourage him to go or why he doesn't go, and I don't know the psychological makeup of the. I mean, I I read I forgot who wrote the piece about the psychological make-up where if you voted for him, you feel like an attack on him as an attack on you. But like I said, I'm not the one with kids over. I'm not MRs David Johnson. I don't know how she gets through the day. And I don't know how Frederica Wilson recovers when not enough people had her back. And I don't know why John Kelly gets to get by with that. Because he's a Goldstar father because. So as Mr. Khan, etc. I'm just not sure. Well, why those simple connections aren't being made. But it's a strong force that seems to be working against just regular Americans making these very simple connections. Right. I feel it's in part because it is played down so much. I mean, you hear it directly from veterans. You hear from McCain. You heard it from con- you heard it from the wives of these deceased veterans who Trump slandered in who Trump abandoned. But yeah, there is a disconnect, and I do feel like it's because of the presentation of it because it's not sort of presented with the kind of the urgency of it being a national security crisis. But also just the moral urgency that this is wrong that this is hurtful, and I guess one thing I'm curious about this. You might have perspective on this trunks. Not just a political creation. He's been as as we mentioned running for president for thirty years, but he was part of the media industry who's probably team and industry is part of the business world. So I would guess that from that he's amassed in enormously large number of. Acts and inside tracks and all these different industries how much influence do you think the administration is having over how media entertainment or other venues of communication portray these issues to the public? You know, I think about that a lot because I remember the last time I had a conversation was and we were screaming each other. Was when remember when Trump had that secret meeting off the record with every press outlet, and you saw everyone from Diane Sawyer to sucker to Andy lack. I think. Stephanopoulos. I mean on air people behind the scenes, check signers, and I said to Zucker as he was documentary percent. I said all right. I'll I'll go back and do the show for thirty percent less as long as someday you telling me what the fuck did Trump say to scare the fuck out of you in that meeting. And I will also tell you that in Jeff won't like this either is the last time I did New Year's he called me at home. So I guess we'd have asked me up, and he said I'm going to give you one Trump Jodhpur our in the four and a half hours. And I said what are you talking about? And he goes, I go, Jeff you're the head of a global news agency and Trump is more part of the lexicon, certainly community really than anything I've ever seen or any comedians ever seen like my God. You know, Anderson Anderson, all you want. He's an anchor person. That's fine. I said, but I'm not gonna call him, you know, the c word or something. But there's so many quite frankly, harmless jokes, I could make about him. And he said he's been so tough on me. I don't want this to happen to you. So this is for your own good. I know and by the way that was before my infamous Trump mask photo. And so I can only imagine that the tough Jeff Zucker is not so tough. And I don't mean to be team Trump because Trump is a false tough person. He's the last time I saw him in person because he's he heard me twice to roasted. And like I said, so it's not like he doesn't know my stick. And like every bully when you confront him the last time I saw him he made the cross sign with his fingers and was gonna owner. She combs redhead. Oh, don't be tough on me tonight. Come on don't make fun of the hair too much. And he would do that with me like almost every time. I see him. And I just remember thinking, Jeff like, you're not you're not scared of this guy like this accidental president for like, he's he could meltdown at any moment. You know that? And so I don't know. But I often think about that meeting. I think about that. And how that in my opinion went unchecked by frankly, other journalists like at what point do those journalists say, I understood. Banned in throughout the history of journalism off the record must mean off the record. What about when the entire nation safety is at stake at what point do you say, you know, typically, we wouldn't do this. But we do need to reveal things he said at that meeting because now they're coming to bear. And they're actually getting people killed. So that I remember I also remember something crazy like a week after he's argument that he was personally meeting and vetting circuit court judges. No, you know, he doesn't know a judge from his ass or a hole in the ground except for a sister. When he talked about making her part of Skoda's. So I thought where was the media that should have been a giant story? Right. Like, I don't want this guy sitting down because you know, you got a loyalty pledge from everyone, obviously. That's the root of all those and they things. So if you're a good journalist my God, there's a scoop get one of these circuit court judges to admit put him under the spotlight like I've been under. Let's see any of them who will stand what I've been under for the last year to have I sorry. If all of these guys from Jeff Zucker to the maga- bomber went through what you were put through these problems with go away. Unfortunately of I'm not I'm not wanting the same category. But having soccer come at me and the mega bomber on my own like former co workers in the president. And then Don, jR, loves to come at me. And it's always amusing because waste of space. Like, how is he thinks he's hilarious. And so he tweeted a couple of weeks ago. The reason you don't have a special isn't because you're woman because you're not funny. And I just wrote back if y don't have nut flex in prison because I like to remind my younger friends that I do remember watching every minute of the Watergate hearings. And I was a weird kid. I'm not gonna lie, but I just prepared. You only got. Glued to them. And I believe you can creek if I'm wrong, I believe twenty four folks actually served time in the in the Watergate scandal. So when people think, you know, it's going to go away. I would say, you know, keep hope keep hope like it's possible. You know, we don't know what we're gonna see. But with all these indictments coming. I it's possible. These guys actually could go on mass because I certainly don't think the answer is is level headed president Pence. So Jeff Zucker I was talking to a CNN host about his asking him at an event. Like, why do you keep having Stephen f Cohen this infamous? Russia. Polish Putin apology tons of headlines calling him Putin apologised when he's on CNN. It's like he's a mouth piece for the Kremlin. He's even said that Ukraine it's not a country, which is what Putin has said. And so I asked I asked a CNN anchor. I said why do you have this guy on there? He's been discredited. And he said because last time I had him on. I got an Email from Jeff Zucker. That said good TV exclamation point yet. I mean, look, I'm not anti. I'm not an anti news organizations are not. But I will say, yeah. I do know that about Jeff Jeff Lexa fight. And he likes a low grade television. He's not very bright. I don't know why he's running a news news channel. I mean. This is the guy that brought us the sitcom emerald. I mean, he just fails up as long as I've known them, you know, so he he is not someone who's going to like Trump. He's not going to do a deep dive into the history of these yokels they're on there. But I feel bad when you have like an actual ambassador. I mean, obviously. You can talk about McFaul, Mike McFaul or someone like that. And then you have them having to duel, and they like shouting matches, and as you know, the game of the right wing is they talk so much that you can never get into word edgewise. That's the whole Fox News sort of mandate. And I'm not sure why why they go there because you know, in my day, there was a man called William F, Buckley and I disagreed with him. But at least people didn't think it was an intellectual. So I guess they just can't find anybody with half a brain to show, quote, the other side, and what we need to come to the reckoning of is there isn't another side. There isn't it's just destruction just destruction. Yeah. That's it. So the both sides thing, I'm not I'm not making w a hero. I'm still anti w I can't believe he supported cavenaugh. But there is still a world of difference between the w administration, which I did not care for and this outright craziness there are they're not two sides to anything not the maga- bomber not the propaganda machine that is. The president getting news from FOX and friends and people on Facebook and something called gab, which I didn't even know about. So that's something that I think media outlets aren't used to dealing with. They're so used to being so focused on both sides that we've never really been into situation where you actually need to focus on the both sides within the side that at least is following the law. And then the other side is. Crew tippety. So go ahead and cover it. I mean like you would Areco case because that's what it is. It's covered the way you cover. Berlusconi? And I agree. I think this family's kleptocratic more than autocrat. But you know, I can go either way based on the day. So cover it for what it is call it. America's now become an attempt at a kleptocracy, and the citizens now have to decide if they want to even understand what that is. And do something about it. How does Jeff Zucker still have a job? I do it's like when you're a white guy and you in that like lap dance club and cigar club and golf club like those broS Bros before hoes, and they all cover for each other. And they all you know. What's funny is there like chicks like the college at night and bitch about this person? And they're all competitive, and Jeff Zucker probably doesn't even know that. There was a time when the news industry didn't make a profit and it wasn't supposed to. So that's what you're dealing with now. And it's like I said, it's the same white dinosaurs. Most of them are over sixty and they're in a very tightly knit group and they are scared as shit right now. And you know, my joke is I'm the new chairwoman of the time's not up yet campaign because I want to think time's up, but it's not yet. Ladies, I'm sorry to tell you. It's going to take work on our part time not up yet. All be old ladies in the gulag reporting together, that's the plan. Final question who do who? Should we like who are the allies who have your back who are inspired by your courage? This is tricky. Because part of me is is actually I'm afraid to stick up for certain say because I don't wanna put them in the crosshairs. You know what? Honestly, I'd rather not say because seriously there have been really few. I've not had one significant public ally. Since the day of the photo, not one and people make fun of Mike lava naughty, but I would have killed to have Mike Alava Nadi or just someone just going on television three times a week going. Hey, you don't want your thirteen-year-old to take a picture like the one Kathy Griffin did and be under a hundreds of thousands of dollars of investigation and be investigated by federal agencies and put on the no fly list, and then the INTERPOL list. I couldn't no one was willing to go on television and get that message out and still haven't. So that's what I'm struggling with is a bucket of bitterness because I don't know why there aren't like I said significant public allies of mine just to warn, folks. I really believe if it happened to me it can happen to you. And then frigging happen to John Brennan. So, you know, in many ways, I really was the test case. So people are still scared to Scott for me. But I don't care I still keep sticking up for the ones that are out there and putting their necks out there and independent. Journalists are leading the way it's true and local was final piece of advice. And then we'll let you go stuff interrogating you like the feds. So what advice do you have for people right now who are scared and they're paying attention closely. What's going on? And they might not want to put themselves out there because of the climate. I think it's time to put yourself out there. And like I said I'm thinking again about the woman who hired the maga- bomber knew he had that van how many floor the would pass that van day in and day out or even talk to this guy and hear him spouting off. And just think like, oh, I just don't want to get involved or well that group will come after me if I talk about it on Facebook. And I think I'm afraid now it's actually time to have those dealings with the people in your life. And I'm sorry to say, but look at someone who's been cut off by so many relatives and family members. Because of my photo as has my boy. Friend, which is ridiculous. That's not how it should be. And so at some point, you know, people joke about like oh going home for the holidays a home. I'm gonna talk to my Trump relatives, I'm afraid to say, this might be the year that you have to suck it up, and you have to confront them. And you know, just I don't know. I don't know what to do, and we can talk about voting, and you know, it's we're living in a world of low information voters and most Trumpers haven't voted at all or having been engaged. And so they think they know a lot about politics because they've been listening to one crazy dude for two years. But I think now it's time for our allies to come out of the shadows. And actually at least say to the people in their actual lives that are Trumpers. I got to be clear. I'm not with you on this. It's kind of like I when when I was growing up. I lived in a house where I had certain old relatives that would say the N word until my father, finally turn to them and said, you can't say that word anymore not in this house. And it's possible. You know, my father. Punched in the face by his uncle or whatever is possible. 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Abigail Disney calls out Disney CEO Robert Iger's astounding pay

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05:28 min | 1 year ago

Abigail Disney calls out Disney CEO Robert Iger's astounding pay

"I'm Kim masters, and this is the Hollywood breakdown joining me as Matt Bellany of the Hollywood reporter, and Matt I think some people at the Walt Disney company in the upper echelons or having a breakdown Abigail Disney whose grandfather was Walt Disney's brother ROY has written an editorial following some earlier tweets calling out Disney CEO and chairman Bob Iger, four his astounding pay. He made sixty five million dollars in two thousand eighteen she points out that's one thousand four hundred and twenty four times the median pay of Disney worker, not the bottom rung the median pay. And you know, she is making a point that that is a bad, look, right, and immediacy ios have famously been paid much higher than their peers in the last couple of decades for many years, Leslie Moonves at CBS was the highest paid CEO corporate America this year. I'm betting David zaslov at discovery will likely be the highest paid CEO in America despite their stock. Doc, not doing so hot lately, but Disney is different. And it is a public facing company. Unlike any other has a relationship with people who go to the parks who see the movies who have a strong affinity for the brand. So the fact that Bob Eiger is making so much more money than the rank and file at Disney. Does mean something in does resonate. And we're seeing that in the media right now. Yeah, it's a Sarah symbol of income inequality. I'm old enough to remember. When begets father ROY who was waltz nephew led an insurrection against management at Disney and ended up ousting Michael Eisner, and you'd never seen anything like the magic of Disney name in that context. Mom and pop shareholders old people young people came to this shareholder meeting because they were fed up. Roy Disney had made the argument that you know, Michael Eisner had wreck the Disney magic. Now. This kind of a dark twist Disney hasn't really responded to this and Abigail. Disney tweeted yesterday. That she was getting some signals that Disney was looking for dirt on her. And I will note that Disney in the past banned the LA times for a period of time for reporting on its tax arrangements with Anaheim, which was a wild overreaction and would not stand. They came after the Hollywood reporter when we reported on John Lasseter claiming that we had four were forced to publish a correction, which did not happen as we pointed out in our story. This tends to be a little a little reactive in these situations. And they've put out some stats that show that they have raised the minimum wage at the parks, and they're doing things to lift up some of the lower level employees. But the point that Abigail Disney is making is that it's not just idir if the upper echelon executives at Disney were to forego some of their extremely high bonuses they could provide significantly meaningful compensation for the lower level at the company, and they just benefited from this. Massive tax decrease that the Trump administration past and instead of giving employees a one time bonus, which they did they could have raised wages. Yes. And I think they're not the only company in that situation. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, that's felony editorial director of the Hollywood. Reporter. He joins me this Monday at one thirty. I'm Kim masters, and this is the Hollywood break this season unless notes from KCRW how does it feel to be like a girl playing instrument is? Well, how's it feel to be a man asking the questions? I mean what? Had I said, no to this invitation from John Fahey, I would have for the rest of my life wondered what I had missed. We'll thinking about Billy Tipton at very interesting time because I don't know that young people and older people agree on the meaning of trans. I love you for the greatest, Sean. I love that. It is an unholy album made was holy methods. Hey, everyone. I'm just a hopper a music journalist and author and your host for season two of loss minutes. Unless notes relook at music's untold stories the season is packed. It's about legacies. How do they hold up? And how do they change over time disco say off the truly means beyond disco? Learn how decades on a song can find new meaning something different than when it was written. You feel like it's up defying women feel. Yeah. Now, fifty six, and it's freaking embarrassing embarrassing to seventeen years old. You can't just write it off as being settled. Here from pioneering women who've been written out of music's history. I get there and producer says, no, no, no, we're not doing your music. We have a script here. And we want you to do the sound. Plus find out what happens when we apply. Our twenty nineteen politics to nineteen seventy four songs, we didn't think about it as we were all band were out to the point. We just lived the music. The first episode of the season of loss notes arrives April twenty fifth. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts.

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