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137 Sex & Intimacy w/ Alice Little #1 Companion At Moonlite Bunny Ranch

Christopher Lochhead Follow Your Different™

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137 Sex & Intimacy w/ Alice Little #1 Companion At Moonlite Bunny Ranch

"Thanks for pressing play this. Christopher lockhead failure different and this is the odd cast for people who value real different conversations about about how to design a legendary business legendary life. And this is the second part of our two part series on intimacy and sex. And and I'm telling you this is a very different for us if you're not a regular listener On what you know. We're in territory. We don't normally spend much time in. This is an extraordinary episode sewed. I sure hope you heard part one with my dear friend intimacy coach Alana Pratt. She's amazing check it out if you haven't it's fantastic and on this episode. This is a stunner none other than Alice. Little and she is a legal sex worker and the number one luxury companion at the moonlite Bunny ranch in Carson City Nevada USA. That alice little and we get right to it why she loves her job why she says it's all about connection communication and intimacy So she describes her job from her perspective give and then she also explains what it's like to Use Her service. How goes down what it's like? We get right to it why nothing's too kinky and pay special attention to her advice for how we can all improve our sex lives telling you she will break any stereotype. You might have if somebody in this line of work. She's very smart. She's college educated. She's fun she's got some great advice and she even gives you some marketing getting advice because she's done an amazing job of getting herself out there. This is a very real very different conversation about intimacy and sex. I also encourage you to go to LOCKHEAD DOT COM. Check out the show notes from this episode. And there's a special link in there of a Youtube video of Alice taking you on a tour of the moonlite bunny ranch so check that out if you want to you'll get a kick out of it and now. Hey Ho let's go. Yeah Well Alice I sure am excited to meet you. Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad we were able to make the happen me. Thanks for carving out the time I have so many questions first of all what what do you like to be called. You describe yourself as a what. I am a legal sex worker. Sex A had dictator and intimacy experts. Got It. I JUST WANNA make sure I get the lingo down and on questions but maybe the first one is. Tell me a little bit about your job. Oh it is a job. Unlike any other so sex is only legal in one out of the fifty days. Nevada I previously was living in the Metro bus in Oklahoma and traveling around in educating and it was through there I learned about Bravo would do something thing that had never come on my radar beforehand. So I start acting my friends dislike you a million questions like. Is there a standard died. I think about the spaces that it is never the same personally. I'm only available by lightman instill. My Day looks a little a bit different than than of my coworkers. My job very much though isn't just sucked it so much more than that. It's communication connection intimacy honesty and cheeky. People how you love themselves fail. Wow that's not. Maybe maybe we thought we might start. But what do you mean teaching people how to love themselves. Well how many women have never had an orgasm on on their own and the answer is actually significantly so one of the things that I do is I teach people how to connect to their bodies through radical self acceptance. A lot of people look in the mirror and they're happy with the fact that their hair going grade that they've gained weight and they forget the fact that self love really hurts with self acceptance and through the act of connecting with people all and working with them it gives them the ability to connect deeper themselves and appreciate who they are in many ways. My job is to be the and mirror. I show somebody who they are in that moment in that. I'm so you're really helping being people comfortable in their bodies and comfortable with themselves and that is terribly midsized in this country so most people people have never had an opportunity to really explore in that capacity let alone able to Daytona Safeway. Seem same more about what you mean there. Well our society doesn't necessarily create the space. Learn how to kiss how the touch but it's polity. I actually feel like how do you transition from just having a casual conversation to Ben expressing invested in someone and because he educated on these things going around kind of taking avenue dark and hoping that we're doing the right thing unfortunately as we see through things like me too and there's lots of issues that oftentimes the rise due to a lack of education the buffalo very much. The worst safe where people can ask questions. Nothing is taboo and there is no Dutchman. If you WanNa try something that you think is freaky Dicky I'm GonNa tell you it's another day for me like I'm very very comfortable with help. People and enabling them to work in their day to day lives so we have the time together. So why not so when you say. What's Freaky for you? Nothing nothing. I don't think there's any reason to pass judgment on textile activities infests. FETISHES are five more common than most people realize same thing with take. Most people have something that turns them on and if they allowed themselves explore it. Without judging themselves they might be really surprised as to how usher Bordeaux WPRO. Here's a good example. A lot of women get up on the idea of their partner grabbing their next during fat not necessarily joking getting them but they liked that kind of control dominant aspects and they're not sure how to communicate that let alone export safely when I work with couples often often times. They searched me and go. What should we try? What should we do? And I'm able to look back on my toolbox of knowledge pulling out different activities toys things that they can explore and really used to enhance their sex lives as well as their personal connection tale. It sounds extraordinary. This this service that you provide and so I'm curious. How did you decide to do this? Alice it's a very naturally drawn. I've always been sort of person that wants to help others. They give you an idea. Previously worked as an example. I always wanted to be in on in connect on a really deep level one on one in order to gain a deeper understanding about how people think and feel I. I was traveling around as a sex educator already was sharing my knowledge base and this allowed me to do so far more intimate the fact that he then standing on a stage you can hitting a demonstration. Yeah you've gone way beyond the demonstration right. Oh yeah and so. This may be terrible but I. I'm not sure I've ever even asked anybody this question but it seems appropriate. What's IT liked to have sex with you alice now? It's the licensing experience for many people often when we engage with a new the sexual partner. There's a certain level of fear that often associated with it for afraid that they're going to be checking the bodies that the foreman whereas when you come in with with me none of that stigmatization. None of that pressure exists. We go our own. We take our timeline into four five. We actually take the time. I'm to find out what you'll go. Where your treasure spots and oftentimes changes the entire way that people have sex moving forward like what is the last time you turn your your partner and said show me what feels night and most people are like? Oh Shit I literally never uttered those words in the bedroom like I barely WanNa have sex the lights on have a conversation while getting intimate in Naples people to do that. And it's really eye-opening so you said said show me what feels nice. Yeah show me like you enjoy having your neck desert certain spot of your body. That's more sensitive. How do you cut yourself l.? Show me what that looks like. I can make sure I'm giving you with your partner. I get told on a regular basis is to rubber feet. That's what that's the one I get told off sometimes. Hey and there's nothing wrong with that physical taxes it's fucking important elements of connecting especially in long term relationships fail and that the unique people you figure like that the whole partner the grooming is something that we can observe in animals monkeys often. I'm will do that. where they're interacting touching and they have that level of connection within the group that that outsource in deep in their falls? Well I know this might sound crazy. But we have hands chickens and I adore them and it turns out and I didn't know this until we got them but it turns out as pets. They're every bit as great as a dog or cat. And to your point they like to be held. Some of the more than others you know and there's one in particular Beatrice who's deeply bonded to me and she will yell for me and then I'll pick her up and hold her and she'll stop and she'll make a very happy noise and she just wanted me to pick her up so much power. You're in touch and connect them and it's really unfortunate that our society has gone in the direction that it has with technology that no longer encourages that interested in face to face communication. We only left about our lives now. And there's never this moment to stop and actually acknowledge the other person's existence thins that they have needs and feelings than far beyond just that segment that you see like one of my favorite things to do whenever I go grocery shopping. It's actually just walk up to somebody and start asking them questions. Oh what are you getting. Today it's awesome. How many people are you cooking for you preparing for the week? Intend to go to the same recipes or do you like to try new things and you really learn so much. Just find anything in interested focused talk with people and so walk me through the process if I were to show up and we had an appointment appointment what would happen so the very first thing they would do after I give you a diet hub. Of course is I would walk through the offer You figure this place has a tremendous amounts of history. Buddy ranch has been in existence since the nineteen seventy and all we have done expand outward yup pool we have the general we have a horse stable in a whole bevy of different themes that we're able to enjoy together Abbott. After getting to see the promise will then return my sweet. Which is where I am right? Now we'll sit on this very love. The and then have a conversation in which we talked about. What are you looking to get out of this? Experience is the festival you WanNa Cross off your bucket list. There's an education that you really want to learn more without. Is there something that you've always wanted to try. That have never had the opportunity and then we worked together to build an experience with really personally and unique manafort. I go back and forth. It's a combination of how long we've been together for what we gather. That kind of brings us to the final total and after we come in agreeance to that let me called a DC with the flight way of things essentially. I'm just looking to make sure everything. Let's Taffy and healthy. No Love Tom. Thumb raises anything disturbing before we then had to the booking office s take care of the finance through there. We got some traces the fire and head on back here and begin adventure other times. I'll end up going out with my guests. I and sharing a meal or going to a local museum and having an outing outing with them we have an opportunity to bond which is really fun and so okay. That sounds great. If you to go off site you go off you do stuff you have dinner Go for a hike. Whatever it is you go to Da had come back to the bunny ranch for the for the event or work in the event. Oh well anywhere Miekel of course but you have to stay within the state of Nevada but by all means if you're interested in going and having a life changing experience exploring the Vegas Strip and then heading back to a hotel remastered absolutely make that happen. I didn't even realize that was legal. For some reason I thought it had it had been at the ranch. It only in certain counties where you were allowed. Apparently the property and go on the call L. State here in Lyon County. It's perfectly legal for us to do south. Well Chalk one up lions county then girl and what are your favorite parts of what sounds like a fascinating job learning. Every time I meet somebody now I feel like I learned something from her life experiences the things that they share with me and it gets make deeper deeper insight both myself and our job to continue to help authors really. What's most meaningful to me is the constant pursuit of knowledge And understanding no two people have lived the same life had the same experiences and we are so very much so shaped by those experiences. Ince's which informal what our sexual Pfizer's die in getting understand the origin of. Oh that's why you're into this thing is the really interesting and I mean the fact. What's that it's not bad either? There's no denying that there's the sacrifices he had connections. Yeah well if it wasn't so fun we wouldn't want to do it all the time now. Would we kale now. What what I find fascinating about the way you go about this is it? Feels like you're taking time so you're creating an image in my mind of a relaxed environment. Where where you're very open and that enables does the other person to be open as I hear you? grime these things what I can't help but thinking Alex is well you're describing grabbing what sounds like a good sexual chemistry or good sexual partnership that people might want with their everyday party so to speak if I could put it that way. That's what it sounds like. Yeah I mean oftentimes. There's a stereotype of limousines and popping open followed although the champagne. And it's really not about that. It's far more stripped down. And far more true-to-life it gives people the opportunity to discover. What is it that I'm looking for in a partner? What is it that I love about myself? Where do I want to go in the future? And what do I want. That's a look like yeah. It's interesting so I guess that leads me to again another huge area. I wanted to touch on with you. which is What advice do you have for couples who want to have a breakthrough in this department? The very first thing that couple can do is capital willingness to talk about facts outside of the bedroom make time thing thing in the morning crew coffee make some breakfast sit down and ask your partner some very simple questions. What's something you've always wanted to try in the bedroom? The dream that we have and what you enjoy moat. What do you not enjoy that? We're doing that. You'd like to try differently. And being open to that critical feedback and not taking it. Negatively is really essential for example. You very well might out that. There's something you have in common that there's never really been brought to the table before having that communication is a really good place to get started. I heard somebody earlier to say that Communication Asian is essentially lubrication. And it's true. Nothing happens unless you're willing to talk about it and peek into existence. Encourage couple to start by talking about their desires. And then once you've identified the things that you wanted to explore an experience that's the time inside actually go no. I hadn't thought out like an romantic evening and make space for that to happen. Don't have a be the same standard okay at the end of the night. Take your clothing all Alpert get off and go to that like no making fun of it make it fun and especially if that energy I love it sounds fantastic. I'm taking notes. And why do you think more people the impression I get listening to you. Alice's lot of this is also taking some time. And I know many of us feel rushed and so forth. And so why do you think or do you think to you. Tell me that that people don't prioritize. They are ties taking time with sex. I think the reason why people don't buy yours is taking their time. is they're not confident enough enough to slow down and appreciate the moment when you're nervous anxious and unsure of yourself. It's only natural. The rest of the army is GONNA get get it over with real quick like I have no idea how to do for place over. Just GonNa be past that part and get to the one thing that I do know how to deal. And so people fall into before they find themselves doing the same thing in the same order and they deal in -bility to break outside that mold and hi is essential in order to break outside that mall like move down in unless your partner rather than just having him get naked and put their clothing on the floor like actually the time to touch their body before you see each article of clothing off slowly thankfully but your fingertips explore the smaller. They're back in the name of their next. I not what happens if you run the fingertips like right behind their ear bill. Does that feel good. Feel good today enjoy when you have your fingers their hair like take the time to for those things and you're gonNA learn so much more about your partner and probably one of the better sexual experiences of your life. You're fantastic you are you are I and and I don't know how to say that you're you're an unpredictable but you're unexpected. I guess added very that is a really good. Maybe I'm judgmental or something but I think when people hear about the line of work that you're in and that you're the number one gal does this that there's a picture that comes to mind and there's an image that comes to the mind and you don't fit that you're talking about. I am a four foot. Eight petite read ahead WHO's educated works in the medical field and consider myself to be an intimacy entrepreneur. When most people hear the word FACS ex-worker they picture a blog with implants? Ellipse villa like very very radically different than this but the truth is affects all all safe in all sizes other people that meet that stereotype lutely and they're just as valid within this faces. I am every single person is an individual vegetable and I. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that we thorough tight. It's just the reality of society that we make stereotypes about things. Like how many times do we find ourselves. Thanks all these politicians. Oh you know a pass for doctors. They're all the same. It's only natural to type. Cast the lump grouped together based off of whatever stereotypes we've been presented with and the problem with that the media does not provide any talk of nuance and what it means to be a sex worker. We typically speaking get about five minutes to scream time in emphasis on the hike yields and the curb and and then nine times out of ten that character goes away and isn't really important to the main storyline and and that's the cool thing about getting an opportunity to talk to. You is to is to find out who you are. And of course that you're an actual person right it's the E. Oh you have a high profile on the media and it would be very easy to turn you and frankly I think a Lotta people into a cartoon character and some people end up having that happen to Bloomberg And so I guess with people being or some people being very judgmental about what you do and there are some very derogatory words To describe your profession as you well know what is it you want people who are judgmental or maybe who look down on what you do. What would you want want them to know about about your profession? That is nothing now. Break is literally existed. And the Donna time and you look at Hamas abby toads because our very first piece of legislation and existence that we know apparently there's even a line about sex workers and how thou shalt not discriminate against Burger. There look down on them instead. We should revere them and respect them because because they are the educators for our society in Greco Roman Times. When men came back from the war they had to be cleansed or blessed? I I appreciate this Aka Affect Record and have you done AKA FRAC. Before they were allowed to reenter society. They had to come out of that traumatic experience reconnect with themselves and someone else in the intimate capacity before they were seen as being a okay again. Sex workers are killers. We have been in Egypt. We have been in Rome beer in the United States. Canada or Australia are and have I've been everywhere and thing with physician of sex word is what is now. That's only happened in the past two hundred years in with very very much so driven by the Catholic Church which up until two hundred years ago they were running Rocco so the the demonization of sex workers is truly over. You just tell me a new one. The Catholic Church was running brothels. Yeah Oh yeah. The Catholic Church Bob. How did you know that the military during World War to encourage the folders to go and see dozens and sex workers in Japan? Does that totally happened. That was the whole thing. Did you know that there was an entire like undercover operation. I WANNA stay with cold like operation. Midnight Sun or black sunset literally involved stockbrokers being on the CIA payroll a role that happens. Those are all true facts of our history that we just WanNa brushed under the rug because someone in our lines has told they were supposed to judge this take ties and if the league willing to question the origin of their judgment. Why do I feel like why do I have these elites? It really can be life changing because it encourages. People van himselves rather than having an assumption installed in them by society diety. And do you see a day. Alice where more states in the United States. You your your line of work. It'll be legalized absolutely Vermont Jack in produce a bill proposing decriminalization. New York has had several proposals go Kristie criminalization Washington. DC has had several proposals for decriminalization. But it can't stop there. We need a lot more than just decriminalizing criminalizing that we need to legalize it and create a system that allows people enough to survive but right within the face I am able to do what I I do and make the kind of finances I do because there was a system in place that allowed me to come in through the final work within a safe capacity were tested is regulated regulated and all of that is necessary in order to see this exists in a way that benefits society of the hall. So you said three things before I get to the three things you said. I'm reminded of the comedian. Jim Jefferies the Australian in comedian. Yeah make that reference. I thought I'd love that votes. I don't think he was talking about pornography news he's talking about how while pornography and sex work in that. If you pay someone in the United States needs to have sex with you. It's illegal a less your friend. Steve Videos it puts it on the Internet. Then it's legal. It seems it just seems right. It really is the end of the day. When you don't signifies take something and instead create a framework that allows it to exist and thrive inevitably does so much good for society not the person to person level the state level? We talk about for one second year. The fact that the Broncos in Lyon County make sense of the discretionary budget for the entire healthy like if there were no rocco our talk with literally up to like train and ride wild mustangs because they couldn't afford cop cars we pay for that the sex workers in your owning. You're paying for the police. That's what you just told me. We sure are thirty percent of the discretionary tremendous amount. Now imagine what that would look like a grand scale. F Yep we were legalized hack couldn't excise tax on it. Just like we do with marijuana. We can use the tax dollars to fix arose improve infrastructure invest in our schools and in the future by educating the public. Like there's so many potentialities I have no doubt that if we had national level decriminalization as well as national level legalization it would be a multi billion with the B. They Leeann dollar industry. I have no doubt about that. I mean we just look at what's going on with cannabis and where I live workers California our our city government is now moving to. I don't know if it's happened yet. But it's moving to D- prioritizing the police force around Magic Mushrooms Hey like we're going to legalize legalize all that. Why not leave prostitution? While we're at it and I feel like it's coming to the forefront of society people are talking about about it talking about it a little bit one showed up and said I respect records never in the history. I've ever happened before the tremendous. Wow that is interesting. I hadn't heard that now. I did want to go back on the math. You say the county gets thirty percent of its Taxes so if any of this is inappropriate kick me but what. What would the average experience with somebody like you cost for the consumer actually a really great question and unfortunately Lee one that I legally? I'm not allowed to answer. So the state of Nevada hasn't played where all conversations around pricing times have to happen happen at the location at fell. It's the reason why you don't see bracelets anywhere when you try to. Google like wildly inaccurate numbers. The answer I can say is your experience. If you're looking to spend a prolonged experience or something that might be a little bit kinky or a little bit more taboo. You might be more towards the five year reign by and large. You're investing in an opportunity to learn to connect to have an experience. Brian grow tremendously the person. And it's something I'm like anything else on the planet. Well there you have it then and I'm curious I'm curious What percent you know for for every thousand dollars of revenue you? What percentage of that is is tax? Or how does the taxing work. And how does the tax base sort of get to be that size. Now how the pack activation works as far as the thirty percent discretionary budget that is actually coming from the cost of the licenses. He rockall has to renew their license annually. He will lead to the tune of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for light than then you figure. There's all the associated fees along with that and that. Oh I don't know it. Sells is around five hundred thousand dollars a year in Lyon county which is pretty wild. There isn't a specific excise tax. That is currently in place. But I wouldn't be Costa seeing something like that enacted especially if that would allow for the expansion of legalization. I think most backpackers would be happy to give up an extra two three percents. Darren films have the freedoms were anywhere in the states that they so choose rather than travelling out to Nevada. I live here so it's super easy and convenient for me but upper some of my co workers. They have lives and families children and they have to carve out you week will come out in the day where and then travel back home so not all of your colleagues live in Nevada. They're coming from out of state in some cases and so we we also made a comment earlier. You said safe tested and regulated and those were very important things a could you sort of elucidate on that a little bit Alice. Why why? That's the case thing so in terms of safety everybody occurs in or out of the gate when you come through the gate. The very first thing that's going to what happens you will be asked for your. Id here in Lyon County. The ages eighteen but locations closer to Vegas the ages twenty one after he extracted. You have any bags the local ask you to open them out. Make sure there's nothing dangerous on the inside there and from that flight moving forward you better than free to interact with the ladies have lineup etcetera on the ladies ends of things. You're tested every seven days but the cervical slob and once a month the blood that is a mandatory and required in order for us to be to work. I don't like to use the language of clean vs dirty but you you do have to have your results back before you are able to legally additionally every single room at the funny ran. Has the panic button just in case the merging city. I mean the only time I've had hit my panic button list because there was the tarantula and like in my mind that's absolutely in emergency. See because I'm not dealing with the big fighter. No no no no. I took my shoe walk through it at that button and did not get off my bed and full maintenance eight and came and ordered that fighter off the premises pattern button with a client. Now I got a couple people hit it on accident. Thinking was like a call the order but nuclear like drinks or something. They'll hit the button and be like yeah. We got like a couple of beers like actually. That's that's not what this is four bottle totally anyway though. Oh good I'll get into a good no problem that you know it it it. It does. Remind me a lot of of cannabis. You know when I grew up it was a sketchy thing thing. If you wanted to get pot right it was sketchy and when something like this I gotta believe if i WanNa do you do. And I'm not in a safe regulated environment like you describe. You're taking a tremendous amount of risk if you're not in the environment environment of the law in the ranch and so forth that you just described if you're out on your own so to speak and factory perfect bekker's fat work in the independence and unfortunately criminalized sector of the industry. There is a tremendous amount of personal risk. That they're taking on. They don't have the ability ready to call the cops. Some fellow decides to find self and take the Kandhamal or as I am every single right to take that guy out no questions asked. There's the adores. Diana are We have the ability to say no at any point in time for any reason that we thought to. And that's incredibly empowering on about the only law that I find the the proper for them is that a limited right math to women we don't create faith for translators or male sex workers and therefore they have no option to where in the criminalized and independent vector. I didn't realize that so is a man decided I wanted to do do this. There's no legal option or opportunity for me in Nevada to do that. That is correct. There is no legal mail order or no legal now factor in at this time in our country which is a real shame and same thing for trans that is correct. There are occasionally opportunity for Nelson female workers that have undergone gender affirming surgery that have gotten the gender marker changed income their cards but even not all of the locations are open to the idea of having a translator but very easily because there's a tremendous amount of interest in I mean trends limit women. They're just as equally valid up stigmatizing. People guys like come on it. It seems ridiculous. I I didn't realize that was the case interest not by birth Nevada. I'd like there to be I would love to in L.. DVD Friendly Broccoli happen space clear individuals. And I'm buying are individuals. Gay individuals can come and have their sexual desires Feld. They're just as valid. And there's just as many people out there that have those interest for clip it shameful to me that it doesn't currently exist. UNASSUMING I really want to see happen in the future for sure and maybe Maybe even a heightened need or slightly heightened need for a safety that you described right absolutely so yeah well you're absolutely fascinating. You seem like an wonderful Gal. I could keep you forever but I want to be respectful of your time. Is there anything else that you'd like to touch on before we wrap the final thing that I would ask anybody listening to bully. who earn more? If you're carrying this nearly oh kind of drafting pilfered a chip on my website. The Alex little about Tom I opened creating content. That really focused on Youtube under Alex little. TV and in one more about this. If this is something that you're like Oh those interesting take the next step and educate yourself this way. The next time that sex workers come into the conversation you can be from other places education and authority on there right. Now you're really. Dan Infest near like actually actually. And you're able to throw down some real quality knowledge about intimacy. I love it and I really love as somebody who who believes deeply in entrepreneurship that that you view yourself as such I love that you know right off the top. You called yourself an entrepreneur and you have done an amazing job Being an entrepreneur. Getting yourself out there and building your profile. I guess maybe before we were APP. What advice would you have for people who are like yourself? Herself Solo preneurs in whatever domain to to kind of promote yourself and. Get yourself out there the way you have back waiting and do the thank other it. Starting a podcast thirty a youtube channel investing in a new business venture. What are you waiting for making excuses? Get Out of your own by and do it. Nobody's perfect time. They do anything like I go back and watch my very first youtube videos but everybody starts somewhere somewhere. You have to take that first step. You get out of your own way alice priceless. I can't thank you for this wonderful conversation and I love to have you back anytime by all means. I loved that again. Stay legendary very my friend. Thank here been one well. I sure hope you enjoyed this conversation. I sure did and What else are you going to say? If you haven't checked out a part one of this two part series on intimacy and sex with my friend Alana Pratt. Please do that as well. Well and that's it all right we would like to thank well. I like to thank you. Thanks for hanging out. I really do appreciate it. Thank you so much alice little. I are incredibly generous with your time and you can check her out on the Internet at the Alice. LITTLE DOT com. That's the Alice. Little Dot COM com one life fully live dot Org Happy Dream Plan and live your best life. Don't forget to check out my new marketing. PODCAST lockhead on marketing about six or eight weeks after we launched. 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Episode 19 Piper Rae from Sagebrush Ranch

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Episode 19 Piper Rae from Sagebrush Ranch

"It's Daddy D if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all stolen. Hello Hello Welcome back to another episode of the Bunny Ranch podcast. My Name is Alice little I am. I'm your host as well as illegal sex worker at the world famous Moonlite Bunny ranch located in Carson city. Nevada this this week I have on one of my dear friends and co-workers Piper Ray from the sagebrush. Oh like God I feel like it's been it's been forever. Oh my gosh. So as many of you know I started working here a number birth years ago and the first location I worked at was the Sagebrush ranch before eventually transferring over to the bunny ranch so we have the chance to work together when I was like for friends year. Oh my God it is so great to catch up. I looked freaking amazing. You so those of you listening to the PODCAST keep in mind. You can see the video behind the scenes in catch a glimpse names of the Gorgeous Piper. Ray My checking out our Youtube Channel but yes oh my gosh. I love what you're wearing this school red and plaid battle white and it is also and I've gotta ask what's coming home with the teeth clear. I'd like Blink Blink Blade I have Little diamonds on both of my canines and It's just with We know like dental glue. I went to a tattoo shop a few months ago. And it's something that I I kind of had like. I kind of had wanted to try for a while and then the timing was right in six months later I still absolutely love him. That's awesome really suits you you figure it just it brings Out Your Natural Brilliance. Even more so oh my goodness so dressed as a naughty schoolgirl hair there. a theme. I'm sensing perhaps for the sleekness Lepas road maybe talking about some kinky stuff that the play. Yeah definitely I was GonNa say we both represent a very unique demographic thicke which is that of a spinner So how would how would you define. What a spinner is I feel? Like a spinner is a woman who is either very petite in Weight or height. So somebody that you can just like pick up and do crazy positions with and all sorts of stuff. Yeah it gives you the ability to in theory able to just pick your partner up and spin pin them around to get some really intense amazing angle angle baby. I'll tell you right now. It's about the size. It is the motion and the angle yes Anglo mature in relation to the waves. I feel like there's probably like a technical nautical term that probably translates better over but it works and like all about the motion. And when you're with a partner who super petite I feel like you just get to try sofi who much more in the sense that suddenly you're able go to lift somebody up and experienced different depth of angle different sensations and it really just adds to the intensity all sorts of positions. It's it's really like unlimited when it comes to that it is so amazing like what's what would you say one of your favorites. Oh I'd have to say Like being picked up and then like pressed against a wall like picked up. You know like that is yes. Yes yes I'm here for it. Yes yes please. Oh my Gosh I I kind of like the one I always call it like the like the sexy. W where like the guy is going to scoop you up. But you're going to have your legs over like his forearm kind of like got your back in his son he's like lifting and lowering and you can either be standing or sitting. It's all about about those angles. Holy casts like agree. There is something about that in just getting to try those different positions that I think is really appealing. Two guys. You figure. A lot of people go throughout life and they have a limited number of partners. I think the American Canaveral is what five five to seven sex partners likes the national average So it stints to say that a large percentage of folks have never had an opportunity to be with somebody that is so petite that they are able to try to explore those things with do you tend to get a Lotta guys were like. Oh my God I've never room with someone so like tiny bef- yes all the time I get it all the time and it's fun because then you get get to show them you know. Be a part of like a new experience in new positions and things like that that absolutely blow their mind a hundred percent Lake Nick. There's just something fun about getting to teach someone like. Hey if you do this and then you would just this little angle here till all to your hip and think up rather than down. It's a completely different sensation is this is true. And it's so difficult to put words to it because it's really. He liked physical action in getting to be in the bedroom and getting to share that with someone is just so unique. I really I don't know I get such a ahead of me too. Oh my gosh so with all the schoolgirl costuming we have going on. Is it safe to say that you offer schoolgirl type fantasies shale do I do I love Role playing and fetishes and all sorts of stuff. And this is actually one of the outfits that I do. Have I decided to wear for you guys today and he loves suggesting Q.. It suits you so well it shows off your long tiny little legs. Is it just like durably. Little short cropped read over skirt piece. That comes up with little CAESARS. Full full color cows on sleeves. Just it really suits you thank you and of course the black rimmed glasses. It's just like Oh okay okay. I think I need to stay after school. Yeah I duNno detention detention. That's the word food. Yes in love. It got select. What kind of role play scenarios? Have you gotten to share with people. Wow I did one party where a few parties Where you know the gentleman was the professor and I was the cheerleader or the school girl? Or you know. Doctors and nurses doctors patients All sorts of stuff. I love it. It's so fun to get into character just like you know really really get down to the Lake County. How do you get into character? When you're like doing enroll play like everybody has their thing that they do like what do I don't know I I? I guess that's a hard question because I kind of just get into it. I wasn't like theater and stuff in high school. And kinda just like think about the character. And you're you're like I'm this naughty over on to get some extra ranch exactly had yet like I also career during school and it's kind of like for me. I'll look in the mirror especially at the outfit and used that help. Get Ri- just be like I'm a sexist here. We go all right doctor. I'm ready to scrub it. Oh yes it's just like audience fun and it's so imaginative because you have to try things that let's be honest you would never get to do in real life like like everything we get to do. Here is just fantasy and so it's a safe place to explore be creative. Try all sorts of new fantasies fetishes and gets you connect with people and just do all the things that have always been on your pocket list. Yes like true. So how long have you been with the company now. I've been with the company for about seven years on and off. That's awesome. I find that a lot of ladies choose to take time away kind of yeah go through personal growth kind of go. Through education dictation whatever it may be come back revisit. The Industry Rodney found that some of your guests came back. Even after you are away definitely definitely definitely As soon as I started you know Why started out at the Bunny ranch and I was there for? This was a few years ago when I was there for a few years. I absolutely I loved it I took a break and ended up coming back to the sagebrush because the Bundy ranch which is very booked so I came here and Absolutely loved it so I have been over here for a few years now in. Yeah I like it over here it's I do definitely miss the bunny. But it's just like we're a whole big family anyways so yeah I miss it over here dude like all the time like in doing you know we'd like some money originally body ranch but the Sagebrush it's like family like when you come into the Sagebrush ranch fans it's like walking into like comfortable yet luna living room space where there's just these plush really comfortable couches You're able to just get a drink. Sit Down Relax. Bay Comfy vibe. I I enjoy that. It's just a little bit slower a little bit softer and I feel like for a lot of new guests. They might be intimidated by the idea walking into the bunny ranch and getting like a whole lineup in so I find that a lot of first time guests often times we'll set up a placements like yeah you notice that too definitely it just it kind of takes some of the pressure off. I so you WanNa you WanNa know what to expect kind of you know you're walking into it like do you remember how you felt the first time you walked into the Bunny ranch. It's all those years ago like what did what did you feel like Overwhelmed with excitement and you know little bit nervous but yeah I mean especially as like walking into One of the houses as a customer. It's a little bit more a Nerve wracking could see that. Oh Yeah I always recommend that people kind of channel author nerves into excitement and instead of being so nervous inside at the like you know I can't wait for this is GonNa be amazing. I'm I'm GonNa do something incredible for the first time I can't wait for it and like redirect that energy and use it to your advantage definitely and I kind kind of feel like that excitement. That excited vibe is also kind of sexy like this. Let us know happy to be here. That's I'm like. So what advice advice would you have for someone walking in for the first time I would just say to be excited and ready to have a really good time. Relax relax yes relaxed calm but be excited because you're about to have the time of your life seriously. It's it's the other greatest place on earth the other happiest place on her head like it's it's the Best I love it here. Sure and it's just so much fun getting to bring somebody in for the first time showing them around and often times. I find that people are almost overwhelmed and when they realized how expansive these reasons are like the sagebrush ranch is the largest of all of the property is is there are so many different spaces. There's a beautiful fantasy sweet like I remember when they remodeled that. Yes like it it. Has this Nice Jacuzzi Tub has flagrant Ole Jacuzzi Tub Pisces. Water baby. So I love it city. Did you follow astrology. I'm somewhat I do but I just know that as for me like Pisces. Very sensitive Um which definitely describes me. They love water and they're very intuitive. So I love that. Yeah you've always had just this really good natural way with people. Where are you just kind of? Get this the sense of like. How do I help this person? Relax what can I do to make the experience of them. You know all we want everybody to be as comfortable and as happy and satisfied as possible. We want this to be like an amazing experience. Yeah I mean it. It's really it's so much more than when people are legal but the experience. It's a whole experience. Would you say say that since when you first started compared to now that you've kind of changed in terms of how you view view this career I have to say that I mean yes and no. I'm very grateful Foale to be here and opportunities awesome and the people that you get to meet are like you know every day is different and you get to learn something different in this job is unlike any other it is. I always think of it as it's a bunch of ordinary ladies working in extraordinary job and by extension. We kind of being these extraordinary people because I feel like in so many ways we get to be so uniquely in touch with this country lake. I remember back to when the hurricanes coming through in Texas and I had a couple of Guests that were traveling into the area and like we were watching. The news together in there is like this moment where we're all like. Hey you know deep breaths good vibes lake it. It's amazing just how we kind of connect with people like. I'm sure you've had some crazy experiences over the years. Yes I definitely have had. Is there any that come to mind that you feel comfortable sharing. I'd have to say that's a good question I did have A few years ago I had a A party like chocolate Syrup Banana Party in it was absolute madness. It was so much fun chocolate syrup. All over the walls Only guys fun okay. That's something and that's like a whole fetish into itself. The banana split it. Yeah it's it's called splashing yes. Yes flushing it's a fetish in which you either want to rub food or lick food or eat food off of your partner service or whatever so may be like okay. I've always wanted to do this. So there's this Japanese he is Sushi art in which it served naked on the woman. It's called neo time. Worrying always thought it would be so interesting to do like a neon Taymor e-experienced with like two of the girls that are naked and the Sushi's already laid out and then you have another girl that's like pouring the teen getting it all set up. Aw that could be like a cool bachelor parties or definitely like five. I feel like the Strip club is just expected now for Bachelor parties. That's like aren't GonNa Strip right now. Something original yes. God like there's so many different things you could do for Fool Bachelor party here like like Ooh. I don't know what ideas do you have Who Gosh because all I can think about is that we have this like little stage two area here at the sagebrush mirrors behind it Minutes like you could have. Have you know three or four ladies can giving like a romantic lap dance. Originally sensual kissing touching likes giving somebody like this fool full like massage pamper experience or like and then also I do believe that we we could be completely nude dancing on the poll with Only out not something that you are able to get at the Strip clubs. That is very true. It's Strip club. Plus plus plus addition so much better so so let like you could even do like a cool like Harem. Kind of thing in a bunch of girls like sexy and like all of if Syria like you do like the whole Lake Grecian Goddess or God thing like that can really sexy. There's just so so many fun things in creative things that you can do in again. This place is a safe place to use your imagination and explore whether it be schoolgirl or crazy harem fantasy or Khakurel role play. Like I don't know what's the most unique experience experience that you've heard of Kosh. There's there's definitely a few but I have to say it's actually one of yours. Yeah I've heard about out of a job in the limo with in bikinis that it was like the most ultra like specifically micro-mini bikinis with schoolgirl skirts. Over the micro mini many bikinians sexy. It was insane and anyway this fellow had been a guest before we just prepaid for the entire experience yes and he pulls up and discreetly slides into the Limo ridiculously ridiculously fun. I think at one point in time we took like one of the little mini splits of Champagne. We poured it over. I love it. Sounds like such a blouse release Sykes. It was one of the most wild things they've ever done like if you haven't done limos sex yet boy howdy have you. I haven't I said nope not yet. Someone's got to take fibers Lamothe. Okay seven days please. My blanket 'cause like our levels are all blacked out and the driver. Persian comes up and I mean what you're doing late late night. No one else's business. I love it like play safe. Play responsible like we so much fun. Oh my goodness so. We're coming up for Thanksgiving here. I thought it would be fun to Kinda leave things Offer with kind of a Thanksgiving note. What are you most thankful for this year? I am most thankful for for all of the people in my life. That are there for me and love me and support me every day and you know like my family my family here. It's very important. Like things can be replaceable. But people can't I mean there's just really so much to be grateful for to be thankful for I mean for me. This place is like my family like my family lives far the head go away so for Thanksgiving I celebrate it with the ranch every single gear. And it's I I look forward to like I feel like we have just the best holidays in the world here talking of Thanksgiving and giving thanks. Thanks we are having a very special. Thanks giving away of over one hundred dollars. Here's worth of Bunny Ranch merch. ooh signed by the ladies all sorts of fun stuff that is going to go to one. Lucky winner the winner will be run on. Thanksgiving in here is how you enter. I make sure to subscribe to this podcast on whatever listening platform you use. We are on I tunes. We're err on spotify. We are all over the Internet. Follow US subscribed to us and then take a quick little screen shot of that subscription confirmation and email it to me alice little at Bunny ranch dot com subject line China. podcast entry Thanksgiving giveaway. This way I will be sure to add to you and your information Dan to the giveaway pool. You can also get bonus entries by leaving a comment on our youtube channel. Plus you can follow us on Instagram at Bunny ranch as well as on twitter at Bunny ranch we we are so excited to give you guys the hook up with some sweet amazing merch so be sure to email me again. Alice little at Bunny ranch dot com. Let me know that you're entering into the giveaway in the subject line and will make some magic happen. Oh my gosh so talking of all the upcoming coming holidays to have any special plans. Are you looking for holiday dates as it were. Yeah definitely You know all of the the the entire next few months like there's so many events and things that you can do for the holidays there's ice skating There's there's wind walks. There's all sorts of like hall in crackers coming to us like there's just some awesome talented magic shows comedian. Really something for everyone whether you want to go out and be a snow bunny or stay inside and cuddle up by the fire. There's just so much to do so if somebody wants to spend time with you how can they get a hold of you. Are you on the Internet. Where can we find Piper so I am I am on the message board? I am also If you wanted to you can call the office at seven seven five two four six five six eight three and you can chat with me there or or you can email me at Piper Ray at sagebrush ranch dot com in that is our a. e. for ray perfect as to myself myself you can always reach out to me Alice. Little Bunny ranch dot com as well as follow me on twitter at the Alice little or on the Instagram at the Alice little official. I'm super high because I'm going to be dropping some new merge this month I've got coffee mugs is and boom postcards so stupid excited like exciting. I can't wait. Can't wait to see them. All right everyone. Thank you you so much for listening to another episode of the Bunny Ranch podcast. My name is Alice little. I've been your host. See you all next week even more fun.

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Episode 18 Sophia Sun from Kit Kat Ranch

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Episode 18 Sophia Sun from Kit Kat Ranch

"It's Daddy D if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all stolen hello hello listeners and welcome back to another episode of the Bundy Ranch podcast. My name is Alice little and I am illegal. Sex worker at the world famous Moonlite Bunny ranch located in Carson City Nevada. This week I have a very special guest all the way over from the kit. Kat Ranch the lovely effervescent. Sophia's son. Hi guys couples mindedness of the sun and working ranch honesty. Keat undenied December. You know so you like my company working in Keycard. Yes so tell us a little bit about yourself. Oh I I wore for a long time off. Istan choose us at eight. You know so. I'm happy I'm very grateful because I know many people actually come back for me so it's a long time but you know I like a half friend with my customers zone doesn't funeral yeah. No yes. And it's amazing too when you're here long term you end up getting into these amazing relationships with your guests and then you end up connecting again and again in really building just so many memories sounds saucer coming hobby how I can tell the name but I will young guys. Of course. We can't remain repair three times a week. Come to the Church yes good mortgage or whatever very respectful customer records. Rose asked me. Why do you know aw saw no nothing wrong? The problem we need a solution end the moment. No you know angry. All there's no offset God bless everyone. Everyone is different than it's amazing. When you find the right person how the personalities match the tennis say culinary but He always used to say it was like a roulette wheel of ladies and guests. And there's a million combinations nations and you never know who's going to match in some suck. It might surprise you. Could also you know sorry. Because you prairie of documents utilization soon as the personality things after we can eat together coffee SARS meaning you know go down and then even enjoy Outside of that bedroom. Oh my goodness so. What are some of your favorite things to share with your guests when you go out of the ranch? Yeah one of the the first part. I like to talk a little bit too much but then I show you my room. You know I mean I like in my room like every room sometime. I'm thinking oh much better but I don't got bar more confident and private because your Meyer Space I said how energy personal touches your personality Marimba three last week three days. I can have sex with nope they respect for guys come back to MRS of fear no watery You know Eddie massage. You know leader play wishing in copies opening. I'm very okay. Great for you all about. It's all about a juicy. Yeah Oh my gosh. So what are some of your hobbies and interest outside of the ranch on the NECKAR. Winter's coming you know I remember for a long time. Maybe we don't have a car here for later. Tau Now. WHO's gorgeous in winter? I know there are many pro. They are problems in the role for records on CD. We need the tourists. Anyway you know insuring yes and figure to so much of the area relies on tourism. That they're very good about it. Erodes the trick is to fly lie in come to the ranch and then get snowed in Iran. That's that's what you do if you're a smart guy so now I'm snowed in at the Bunny Ranch How terrible I guess I'm just going to have to spend the entire evening alternating between all of the different ranches and having fun? WHOA is me? Yeah Oh my one. Yes only tiny to party took. Oh my gosh yes good. Yeah so obviously as everybody can tell us you have a very distinctive accent where you from. What your background? Okay I wore in Argentina. Site is so I speak you know. Casinos poignon believe I like big cities of course so you know it because all right here because I think if you know the people you know Super Nice ice so yeah anyway you know so. I like fun. eightieth around the only land me but yeah it's alone way. Yeah it is a long long way away. Our amazing them. How old were you when you came over? Why here Oh because because I call it probably but if I lied all drama Queen and now this House so Nice Customer Taught Me Fia you look at card? Why not you know I call now? That's amazing and now Longley guys very fast. It's okay okay three four. It's great and you figure it gives you such a good opportunity to come uh-huh and go spend time in every time we come back your guests are probably like Oh my God. You're finally here so yes so earlier before the show you were telling me a little bit about your interest in swimming. Oh screaming because for me. I'm thinking about my boss. You know so I guess the best for me you know I try all the kinds of poor. IB backs in for a long time. Time in after. But you know my yeah enough now now I like a boxing kickboxing. You know saw student pool of activity like good swimming. All right it gets your body is good for your head and it doesn't put any pressure on your knees your ankles. Yeah Yeah. It's easy gentle resistance. The A home question. The Iran soper took place closed here. But it we'll be back open again in spring and those that are listening you can look forward to an amazing opening weekend pool party could definitely put in your calendars their plan ahead. Because trust me there ain't no pool party. LIKE LINEAR party. Funny Oh my God. I love our partnership in every year's going to hear Right now we're not coming Halloween so better and they do. You have pain for Halloween I e yeah to get it. Are you going to dress up in a pool. NOBODY GONNA wear. Can you tell us or is it a secret until better. See good good thing episode literally comes out tomorrow. L. So for those that are early listeners you potentially will get to come and the MC Sophia in her Halloween Halloween costume. Yeah I like one point after this coming Christmas so neither sexy custom. I'm not curable. Maybe before to leave you know. Yeah it's GonNa be there's GonNa be there's so many so many things to explore. I mean technically. It's like after Halloween alouine. But it's still kind of figure at the Bunny ranch. It's not a holiday. It's a holiday week to week year. Figure like when we do Christmas we do Christmas for like the second half of. Oh my God like we're already getting ready to mark Christmas decorations. You guys like it is not just a holiday. Hey It's a holiday week a month. I mean it's the bunny ranch. Every day is a holiday of you decide to make it one. You wanted to be a word they heck yeah we can make it your unbirthday. Even just saying there is. I don't know I just feel like there's so many different things that people can do you within this space to be creative explorative kind of opened up and try new things and I know talking of Halloween Week sucked a lot. A lot of people have been very interested in role play rope. Oh my God yes yes do you have like a favorite role. I am shifter Chesterson so new new role you know first time for care I e call her for for mall dining short time. So why don't we could find a new of any single yes. Have you ever done this. Luton like the student teacher with the Little Gonna a stay Mama. KOMO's no modern mother. Step mother stepmother mother a staff me and the renew GRANOLA stepmother. No I don't care that's all that's not like that. It's a really creative Ed. To explore something taboo in a very safe space because like student teacher mother daughter stepmother dot any sort of play along along those lines. It's fantasy but that's the whole thing. Is that guys. This is a fantasy environment. Didn't you get to create a really amazing experience experience like that and I think it just. It's really healthy. To explore your kings vetting role play interests. It's normal like there's nothing weird about being kinky. There's nothing weird about having like. Oh I have this sucks interest. Cool sodas literally every very one like I don't know do you have like something. You're kind of into personally for replay or role play a or like bedia. So sometimes come and I'm single so leaving by her boyfriend anyway but right now but some they put the pictures. Yeah Trey said okay you know. What are you putting in computer? Tries it. He said the browser. We're on the Internet but like getting take pictures that is really really hot and it gives you like a mental memory to go back to like. I think it's funding is the Polaroid Camera. Because then you have it like right there in your hands. I like that at the instant picture. That's really fun Personally God I duNNo. I used to teach them for years so like I'm into flogger I'm into all sorts of different crazy things like if you WANNA get tied up. I'm just saying I would probably enjoy tying. Can you up your with kinked. Are you more dominant. Are you more submissive or you not these many inclusive inclusive role is kind of like breath. Play choking the and of course keeping in mind here at the ranch that such activities are always done in a matter later. That's very very safe. No one's actually choking each other but she you get that feeling you get that look that image and that's excuse me hot. It's a father role you know. I the the the guy very pink. Okay this idea idea for novel you Funny Funny Boola Yeah Produce. Okay yeah no I mean we always please save. Here's safe sane. Consensual is pretty much the way to go here at the ranch. We generally speaking. Don't do risk aware activities. We try to avoid avoid risk at all costs. See figure we're not going to be engaging in. Any sort of edgy play. But more sensual sensuous type type experiences better generally far more safe and your experience in this kind of environment. It's it's a really good good place to come and learn like even even if you've never had sex before like do you do you work with virgins I wo- version. Yeah tell me about it. It's so funny I remember two guys you know I read the passage. Of of course they grow. You know this I know you can go division. Okay me too military one zero one for me but only Not Talk to guy. You're not going to try to talk wireless not talking nothing party. All all part of this is my sixth. Yeah yeah funny Only open during the minute normal. Sure it's great. I mean people walk in here like slouching and I feel like they come out like floating on there and they're like I'm telling you guys amazing. What an orgasm fearing like if you're listening and you're like oh I haven't done that in a while? What why are you not here already like seriously? You're listening to the show. Oh come visit the ranch come have fun like it's it's one of those things that I feel like. Many people are afraid to take that first step in like get get on the website make an appointment email the girl and be like okay. I'm GONNA do it. I feel like there's a lot of nerves like miss only for money now. So you know it's like oh my gosh girl. She liked me beginning to get along. Okay in given even that you've done this a long time. What tips do you have for guys when they come in like? What things do you tell them to get ready for or how to prepare after their visit was too? Yeah Anyway. Joking is either to go party. You Know Menachem so the Nimba befitting so it can be helpful sometimes about what you want to do over email go you so you can plan ahead like okay. This is going to be two girls. Let me get another girl or hey. This is something where we want a girl to spot the experience I I felt. Where'd you know it's just a no say three months ago? This is speech only ten community guys like come on mature over the forty saw the other young guys they always So I got it for free. Not consider him but I know many people the you know the The other Public California you know but I don't know this sounds fantastic. I got him many times. Yes yeah young now. It's funny though the whole thing. Only young homeboy. We me I like the second time so I like all ago. Will you and me okay. I call other the lady so we party very nice. They got that fell asleep. Yeah Johnny I find nine people do one of two things. I do like float out there. Like our guys. It's NAPTIME. Yeah Oh yeah Oh. I've had a few people who like like afterwards. They're like can I just. I don't WANNA get up. I just want to spend the night. I don't WANNA move. I'm like hey I feel it's you you. I'm sometimes I'm like. Wow that was hot. I don't WanNA get up yet. Can we dislike chill for if even in some just like high like it's fun enjoy we it too. And that's that's the one thing that I think. Some people don't understand about this so we have fun to say. Okay I sometimes I can find you know more people. Yes many times in the other. No why someone coming. I like to leave you know. Sometimes they need space. Ace maybe not lonely with up then talking again so I knew before you know. We're position additional guys now. I'm like a push goal. You know no no the AH every single lady is different and that's and that's important because because it gives everyone a chance I'm nobody talkative. Short Time Amini pay me. You know so you don't would you to party in the bar for not vulgar. You know control yes. Maybe on all you know share shade and Got Back Up. Doc You know if you get like let lamb. I figure often times guys don't realize this but it's actually very respectful if you're having a conversation with the lady after a few minutes to be respectful of time and if you're interested then move the station privately. I call it a one friend leaving in Virginia City. I know for a long time and blow ranch awesome. Thank you very drunk Really that deep and leave Sunday say no all they can do nothing okay. I gave Saturday landowner. Humidity is only about home. I don't Know Yeah Well K next is you know but nice guy you know We organised you know so for immune applauds okay. You know you'll even with senior. CD's yet not gotten a chance to go and explore. Virginia the city only walking but never lying the winter winter rhum okay okay. Somebody take her stop. I used to go to the lake on lake. Yeah I li- Bay. Hey up by Tahoe. Oh yes so. There's so many fun things to do and try out and talking of trying things. I thought it would be fun to. Have you teach us a little bit of sexy Spanish. Oh Okay Yeah yes I love him. uh-huh action actually. Sometimes I feel very comfortable. Are you serious you know your accent. Only uh-huh sex love by highly rolling with the axiom of the customer so I ne- Repeat. Yeah Yeah but it's okay you know. So yes so in terms of like sexy Spanish phrases. What kinds Of what kind of our they're sexy. Didn't eleanor fix the six okay so like fixing okay so like how would you say I want you right now. Okay Asia are you. Oh Yeah you can win enough centers like I want you sexually. I Want I want to have sex with the Komo Kito stuck on Theo out. Yeah okay one wartime slower okay. GAYDOS DOT COM Daego out. I mean come right now out on meet more I want right now. No that's hot. Is there like a short version of. Let's fuck yeah like fuck you you know like how would you say. Let's fuck. We are like one on for for my culture not normal so far you say you like non stay together more romantic romantic and what is fuck out of it uniquely. Not No no no very conservative. Very polite ED Open Americans. We pretty much balls on the table literally. Just it's like have you been to this country. We have a restaurant. You guys named twin peaks. And that's that's true referring to boobs like this is America. We have no shame go so we have a hooters for like we we just our culture. It's not it's not romantic. I like. It's not sexy so like what's something simple and easy. We like I love you. Should they should take care. I love you too AMMO. Eleven years. It'll allow you to kill. ooh But very very deep yes. I lost that though. And it's just it's simple. Oh it's sexy like that could be a fun thing for everyone to practice leaning in and being like ooh like yeah. Tm Oh is Tamil simulate. Talia I don't speak Italian or Spanish Italian I tell you I can talk. Tell Berna speak. Obviously Portugal against people talk corporate. Nope it's similar. It has a lot of French. Fringe you that easy you know but talk in just different. Yeah Oh the French accent is very different no I. Can't I know Bunder I'm no I mean maybe I was born in Ireland but I have lived in the state since I was five years old. I am irish-american but I've lived career so like I don't really I mean I only have like a very small accent if I go home and then like I'm back in Ireland for like two or three weeks then I'll come back at me like top at the day but like yeah otherwise not so much like you know generic American so I think your accent accent super super mutant sexy you gotTa Linemen. How telling? Yeah Yeah Okay. So it's it's a turn on for share like heavier guests ever aspect. Ooh I got one time. I remember I three period. It took a long time. Okay and which senior is country countries. They guys that I saw. I can understand you electric research. That's cool yet ED. But we finally you know Fung Someday Cup in the Oxen Dino. Yeah so and that's okay but again for many people it ends up being a turn on which is just so so nice. It's it's fun too. I feel like to be with folks from different countries entries for some guys. That's even like a Kinky conquest like I'm going to be with someone from Russia I'm going to be with someone from South America. I'm going to bring someone someone from Argentina I'm going to be with someone from Ireland and it's kind of cool because you can kind of do like the tour of the world here like you figure. We have cake. How asaki lucky who's from Japan Angelina Monroe French? I'm Irish Argentinian. Like who else do we have. I think commissions from Thailand Alien. Oh yes we have so many leaf you. You're right. You know she goes to. She goes to Thailand all the time. But she's she's from the Philippines. God we have a lot of different. Oh we have imaging steal from Sagebrush. She's from New Zealand like Obama. Bram we have all the continents my dude like did we. I think we hit all the continents. We need someone from Antarctica. Like if you're from I'm an article and you WANNA be a buddy buddy like come complete our like world conquest tour. I kind of feel like that should be like somebody should do that. Let somebody should come to the bunny ranch be like yeah. I'm going to have sex with somebody from every single continent. I'M GONNA literally make my way around the world. The idea like I'm from Ireland Argentina. We've got friends we've got Japan like guys we can do this. We should make does happen. I think that would be the world ranch. So how do people get a hold of you if they want to spend time with with you. Call me in the office so instead of I two four six nine nine seven five yes he got a soul or email but I like it more called me. You know it's easier attack. The texting in the email have fixed. You know

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Episode 22 Brothel Christmas Carols with Aria Quinn from Kit Kat Ranch

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27:50 min | 1 year ago

Episode 22 Brothel Christmas Carols with Aria Quinn from Kit Kat Ranch

"Doughty D. if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all. Stolen hello hello and welcome looking back listeners to another episode of the Bunny Ranch podcast. Hi there I'm your host. Alex little who also happens to be illegal sex sex worker at the world famous Moonlite Bunny ranch located in Carson City Nevada. This week I have an amazing wonderful awesome spectacular and gorgeous like the highlight though like we had a whole conversation before this about makeup. The songstress herself sell a low. Hello everyone I'm glad you're here too. It took a minute I actually got back from Colorado so I went home for about a month month. Okay is that. Why did you bring this back with think I did yes? Yup It is take it back nowhere. No we love the snow. Oh my gosh see. I both love that. It's like oh my gosh. It's beautiful white. It's cleaning but at the same same time so call. It is so called and I don't want to go into it but I mean I would love to look at it and dislike watch movies and look at my window and see some snow and drink some hot chocolate. Yeah that's the way to lay out a really nice sheepskin rug in front of the fire. Little like hot cocoa and cookie is Jason Cuddle with pajamas optional. After all naked gotta say a little Jojo for the holidays. He deserves Christmas for sure. Yes so you're from Colorado. But you do this full-time yes so I actually am going on for about. It's been almost about a little over four years that I've been here so I just I love this place. They have so much to offer sure. And it's just everyone's just so heartwarming. And they all the staff member just want the best for you and so I just. That's what I love about it and it's it's super super safe and I just. I just have a blast every single time like I came back I think it was it was on Sunday. And everyone's like Oh my God Arias Bag. The vibe and the house is so much better you know so. It's it's nice that people actually do remember you. It's not like going to work a nine to five or anything like that. You actually build like relationships and families so it's is true and people are always so surprised me describe this being such a familiar type company since that we really do create bonds and relationships with each other alert that goes so deep and I mean it's not just because we all interact to girl. Parties are really being almost like the world's sexiest sorority. I feel exactly yeah. All my friends by calmer does like what is it like. I'm like it's literally like a Sorority but we just have sex we need right. There's like funny ranch sorority. That is twenty five hours a day. Yes yes yes. Talking of twenty five hours hours of day how how do you spend your. What is a typical day in the life of a fulltime legal convention? Look like Well you know my might shifts The last time I was around eleven but switched to two o'clock so I'm a night owl but also a morning person I get up early. You know so I go on. I make my coffee. If it's not coffee then I love yes they set your but you know days that I'll like I have set days that I'll go work out and then they'll be days itis gone. I sit and have a conversation with the cashier. You know sometimes even get on shift early you know it just depends make myself a nice nice breakfast you know some days. You know. It's like Monday. Mornings are doctors. So you gotta get up. Get ready for that. You GotTa do all my stuff beforehand. Essays I just like like to sleep in and enjoy it before you get up. You know work all night until two. AM or four am so but it's fun. And I I like it and you know. It doesn't take me that long to get ready. You know I am very very naturally. I wear a limited amount of makeup. You know so I was GONNA say talking earlier in nursing highlighter. Little that a miscarriage. Unlike tyler is just like gorgeous. I mean you already Kaleem and it's okay. So what's for breakfast. Walk me through what you're having for breakfast here. I'm I I normally go with if I'm doing something easy then audited like yogurt and Granola rescue. or I'm really big on like cooking. I like to cook so I'll do like a spinach. Mushrooms and peppers and tomatoes. He does and Bacon in it. Oh yes extend it like a scramble like having toast on the side but are we do. What's our carbs situated? So well there might be some toes on the side or I might just throw it all on a sandwich and sandwich okay. That is this amazing sucker for egg sandwiches exam which he's like. Oh my God. I went to Japan and like the egg salad that same which is like a central icon from their Senator Levin over there like if you traveled to Japan. You're supposed to eat like this. It's like legendarily good and who yum yum man trouble. I'm like bring you bring you back stuff to do and I'll make you food too. I'm I'm really big on making food to make you dinners. Yes I was GONNA say. Do you oftentimes Cook through your guests Yes I've actually done that one time before. And we wear in the the bungalow and I sat there and We had our party and then we had a little bit of time Randall. The store really quick and I'm big on Salmon. I Love Salmon and so it makes a big big salmon and I put butter olive oil and I squeezed like fifty frigging limes on him or lemon. I'm in sorry yes I love citrus stuff and capers on Capers Love Cape May Melt. This started won the Eh up so funny because my client. He didn't know what it was. He was like why do you. Why are you putting your salmon? CAPERS stays trust me a hairdresser salmon and then the butter is just like the best is when the salmon just melts in your mouth and it had to worry about being dry or anything who got to come out here and experience so for those that have never visited before. Could you walk us through. What kinds of things are in the bungalow there so in the bungalow at has a full kitchen and has a full living room and then it has a king size bedroom and as a big big king size bed it's beautiful folders Mir surrounding it and the the big bathroom? It has a bathtub with a w play on like this is all in the one space yes I haven't. There's been over there separate room but yeah okay. So it's like a whole little mini like an apartment. Yup Yeah and then in the second room. There's another bed and I think it's just is a queen but then after that it's just we're gonNA have like our sexy time number and a half are cuddling bed. Yes Oh you gotta jump around and then there's also like wait. There's more so much more the massage table. And then there's a new sex like chair in there now too so that just know now news so I was really excited about that when I saw that. Yeah I've got. I've got a sex in my room overly might dudes everybody full. Stop here if you've not used one of those years one are you talking talking about your heart is watch that video. There's there's that one that's like. That's the liberator heart pillow. But then I also have one. That's like this Kinda Curvy Yoga Koga Show full-size like oh my gosh. It's one can use them for you to you get your exercise and then get your wife. Well sex is a workout so it is doing all all in one shoe. I mean I feel you like with the holiday season so many people are. What do we want to do for the holidays like this? This we're doing this to Krizner's it's what you're going to get rights. I mean Wien the holidays and all. I almost feel like on the first day of Chris. Miss NYC cortisone get for for me. I don't know once you get a pair of nipple clamps under the Christmas tree we go back into Christmas. I'd eight cortisone gave to me too girl party with a on the third your day of Chris Smith. Mike got for me but plugs in three sizes three. I don't keep going on the fourth Christmas. My cortisone gave to me out day big party on the fairy tale Christmas. Mike Courtesan gave me an entire whole house or G YAN is. That's that's the cherry that was that was good as a St Louis C.. Like a bunny ranch choir coming in all drill. Show choir meantime meantime I hear you softly. CROONING is the day of an orgasm. Knew that was really good that you just came not off the top of your head. You need to do this now now. It's going to be a thing we're going to be nearby. Hear them ringing a little bell on my nipples right. uh-huh God what would what would it be not rudolph the red nose ring. What would it be Rudolph the blue balled reindeer. Yeah probably for some dude that actually is like into that. You know like the holiday season. Denial thing ooh ooh oh. Gosh I don't know I don't know I don't know something with the red lights interval coming to with the red lights. Red Lights glowing thing in the Red Light District Nevada in America and everywhere else strippers stripping on the pool roles touching into other naughty bits as well the leaching assholes wax. Oh my good abilities does come to the veneer engine for the holidays do like it all seriousness though like like army. We're doing something. We're doing the brothel. God Yes oh my God. It's back the Bronco Crawl. It's awfully this the uh-huh is this. A first Are is I wanted a while. Okay because I was here last year and I don't remember it. So Yeah it's the holiday brothel crawl might turn into a new tradition. Yes there should be like. Yeah definitely a thing. Because that's really really cool. Yeah so what. Dates time is how it's Friday December thirteenth. It's next Friday. It starts at Bunny Ranch at seven. And that's from seven to nine a and then at Kit Kat from nine to ten and then love ranch is ten to eleven and then Sagebrush is eleven to twelve and we need some out dates for that. Because I really WanNa go so seriously. I think it's GonNa be a ton of fun every single year. We do different awful crawls. We've done Halloween crawls this year we got our Christmas Carol. Red Light holiday crawl all holiday inclusive by all means. You want to call your Kwanza crawler. You're you're crawling rolling mill. Everybody everything everyone. I'm so excited I feel like the holidays truly are just time to spread good energy stuff. Make the world's very marian bright like you're talking about how when you come into the house servants like Arias here in the vibes are so good everything's great and it's just like you have that energy really like lightens up the room. It's it's not often that it's like somebody has that about them. It's a very a rare trade and it's a beautiful thing. Yeah I don't know I just. I used to be very very shy when I was little and then once I got into high school I actually joined an all girls show choir group. God is this like pre or post glee show choir. It was like during been banana. Yeah like I was in show choir before Louis know what it is like. I was that nerd that night. We had like the stereotypical horrible. I head to toe sequined dresses back before for it to make it work make modern Yup. No be up there just man I will never forget a new Argentina in in this. Like Awful Maroon secoind my God with a Beret and the break up falling off it was. Oh my Gosh No. It was so unnecessary. I mean protests songs. Really don't need to be in that attire. No nuts so oh my gosh. You've got some great stories to. Oh Yeah I just I was in it for three years and you know we had like two or three different outfits you know so we had to have her hair done a certain way where makeup just all really really you had to look a certain way so and just like I was. I was performing on stage a lot. So dancing ally And then my junior or my my sophomore year. Actually I actually became a cheerleader. And I kind of like broke out of my shell and so now. I'm just very very bubbly in China. Britain everybody's Day so all right my dude. You're thinking this I'm thinking this to. Does this mean that we can do like sexy cheerleader. rollerblading rollerblading is. Yes always wanted to do it yet. Maybe you said like you've always wanted to as you haven't done it no I haven't done it yet. No some someone email her please do. Yes yes God. That's that's really honestly though. Yeah and then and after cheerleading. You know I got into pageants so I won Miss Personality in my pageants not shocked at all. I'M NOT GONNA Prize. Damn it's amazing too because you have such a gift in an energy but you knew shared so willingly and openly gusts is like how. How do you think you've connected with them and change their lives just like you know giving them the experience that they are well-deserved up every user visit? Everybody deserves that love and that connection you know when I get a client like even if it's just like I get them for thirty minutes. I want to build something with them so that way they do come back from more because I want to be there there Third Person Yes did a person however they want to define it gets up to you as to what relationship looks like but I feel like especially with repeat guests especially for those of us that have been here for multiple years. Great it truly is a unique type of relationship you have where oftentimes like I know. I text with my guest. How are you doing? How was your thanksgiving? Oh my God hang in there. I know your family's terrible right right ever it and we'll see you soon. Yes yes and it. Just it's amazing and I feel like I get so much out of that as well. Just so heartwarming to know that you made them a lot more happier than they were yesterday. So I love that. So yeah the conversion happiness from someone else's happiness exactly it's amazing and people think it's just about. Yeah I mean it can be if he wanted to be but other than though I mean by all means we can absolutely make it about excellent try all sorts of exotic and different things seem time. There's like a worm emotionality and this potential for just growth when it comes to self love. GotTa have that chemistry with that person's Are there any stories that stand out to you of someone that kind of like came to love themselves after an experience because I know so many people all struggle with that like that internal lies true salt except of yes. Yes I actually just. Recently the month of September I had a repeat guest came amen and see me almost every week like at least twice a week out of the whole entire month of September and with that being said he actually was the only one for the whole month and I got kitty of the month and so he was my repeat he's still comes and sees me every so often and he just he just fell in love insult. That's what I love about it and it's it's so nice to because you see the literal physical change in people from when they walk through the door with the nerves in the anxiety the sweaty palm. Yes it was funny like when it very first came on dislike super super nervous. He'd been emailing me but he didn't tell me that he was coming in. I took him on tour but I could just tell he was going on and then like it went from him being so nervous. That data literally literally like coming in. And saying where's Aria. I want to go sit at the bar with her. have a glass of wine. I WANNA Sing Karaoke. Like gets to know all the cashiers names and everything so love it love it love it. I love the holiday season in general. There's so many different things to do. Do you have any like holiday traditions traditions. That you enjoy well with me and my family. We do this thing every year at Thanksgiving. We draw a person's name out of the family and it's called think nothing of it and we basically GonNa make fun of a family member so I've a bubble but and so one year my cousin got me and she put bub-bubba on it and set up. Got Me bubble bathroom pop bubble but on it instead and there was a time that my uncle like ghost at us for the longest time in so they came back for Christmas one year and got him a milk carton. Martin insists had a picture of him and said if Lhasa android stolen come in the funny. So Oh my God. That's funny India deal. There's always a a parade in my hometown. But I was there last year for Christmas. And I probably won't be there this year for either. But I'll be here so let's make own family traditions together in your own little bedroom parade exactly. Yes definitely mall Santa Central Burma like. Oh my God. I don't know I guess the holidays for me. It is normally most years. It's like the time of year around like cookies and buy cookies. I mean like half of these are going to get baked half the Delon's up in a- as ever go without making cookies I thought you know now I have to do the stupid gluten free ones It's awful. It's really obnoxious. I keep having like on again off again really severe sensitivity is two things one day glibness fine in the next day. It's like wow. I just broke out in hives body while you're doing that's terrible okay. I guess I'm just not going to have gluten but like there's there's lots of good options that you're going to find the right stuff. Yes and you figure like a lot of the gluten free stuff also Vegan so I mean technically. It's better for you cookie Okeydoke. That's true very not I would hesitate for even second split. Like a whole thing could Seriously it was like I'm I'm the type of person where I do. Not like even off a piece of cookie dough I just open. Ida's eat off yet. Oh man so like last year. I did these lemon curd raspberry cookies. Oh my God so good. It's a it's a pretty darn good combination it. It worked out pretty well. It was like trying to do like a little thumbprint sugar cookie style and I wanted him to Kinda like stain. Glass a tiny little bit so what I had done in his. I had I baked it with the With the GEL in there okay so this way it came out and you kinda like just translucent. We see through it ever so absolutely and that's super cool. I'd like wanted to make them look like little like stained glass Christmas ornaments but they kind of got a little bit too much shoe but they still looked really knee and most importantly they tasted really freaking. Good oh my gosh got. We're talking about food so much. I'm hungry so works. Some they usually do together gas. Yes yes but even more importantly that's something that somebody should come and do for the holidays. Come and let you cook them like a holiday like definite row down down like what are we kicking Christmas Ham Christmas salmon salmon fine. It's shaken up new some sushi rolls. It actually made Sushi before. That would probably be a good idea. How a lot of fun right like there's A? There's a holiday tradition that I used to do when I was younger. We we would always go out for Chinese food on Christmas Day. Oh Wow was so fun facts. I'm Irish half my family. Emily is like Irish Roman Catholic. Okay but then like I have my family. That's also Jewish like this and they're like it's great redhead. Use the thing and so on Christmas. I guess this is like a stereotypical Jewish tradition to like go have Chinese food because every single year a we would cow and they they lived in Brooklyn and they lived in like the Jewish part of Brahma. Gosh Gosh so I mean we're talking like full on macos and tallied and it was. It was an experience. I got such a kick out of that how what is on way to spend. Yes Christmas showing different traditions and you figure to let it comes out here. They can bring their traditions and share about us. Like stocking stuffing right. Yeah I love to see what other people do rather than. Let's lake because you're so used to what you do so you're just like that's I've never heard of that before. Doing Chinese food sued on Christmas Day. That's your it's like the only please that's open. We're less like if you think about it. Chinese food places there lake think I mean they. Don't 'cause it's like it's like waffle house in the salaries they have the waffle house rating system for tornadoes by the way like tornadoes and hurricanes were like if the waffle house completely closes because they can operate on almost nothing like it is unbelievable unbelievable but you figure there's just so many different things to do to see an winter in Tahoe really is just has such a magical most definitely I mean like white Christmas guaranteed and even if you don't ski. Have you ever done snowmobiling no I I would love to do. That would be like the holiday gift to give you. It'd be like a fun. snowmobiling date so much like that is probably one of my favorite things because because two people are on the same one so you figure like he's in the front holding on nearly all build up their arms leaning right in your neck neck in you know what you're GonNa do as soon as you're not yet it's really fun and exhilarating and they stop at the top of the mountain for hot cocoa. Oh my gosh fall. It's beautiful you have to check it out. Let's do it yes. So how do people reach you. How do people find you follow? You spend spend time with you. You can obviously email at Mia. Are you Quinn. KICK AT WRENCH DOT COM. You can call the ranch. I also have a twitter Aria underscored Quinn and the number four. Yes yes yes as to myself you can always email me alice little at bunched up com. Good on my website. The ALLISON DOT com. Check me out on money. Ranjit website and of course you can always get to know any and all of the ladies on our message board. Yes yes yes most definitely yes and you can find that bunny. WRENCH DOT COM backslash forum. Yes it's great because you figure a lot of the ladies will share pictures sure so or or res Specials it's it's like a community space feel definitely it's like our own little digital version seven of the ranches so it's like a fun comfortable place to get to know and hang out with your waiting to come and have an amazing experience out here exactly. Oh yes most definitely yes. So it's like Oh my gosh. There's just there's so many different things I wanna do for the holiday. I want Chris Ness. Is You surrogate. Everyone thank you all so much for joining us for another episode of Bunny Ranch. podcast these share to like subscribe and give. That's a great little reading on whatever listening platform you're on and we will see you next week. It's beginning to look a lot like ooh on. How's Dell's dreaming of Sexy Charisma with girls below offs? Every don't for your strap on but uh-huh double-sided dildos ever turn on's maybe

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Episode 26 Olivia Green from LoveRanch

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27:33 min | 1 year ago

Episode 26 Olivia Green from LoveRanch

"It's Daddy D if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all stolen low. Hello Hello Hello and welcome back listeners to another episode of the Bunny Ranch podcast. My name is Alice little in i-illegal sex worker at the world famous Moonlite Bunny ranch located in Carson City Nevada. This week I have one of our beautiful ravishing averaging lovers joining me from across the street all the way over from the Lover Ends North Vo wonderful the amazing the talented and Gorgeous Olympia Green. Thank you Alison. Let's awesome thank you. Hi Guys how are you glad to to have you here. We're going to have so much fun. Thank you you're delighted to be here. This is really cool experience. You were telling me you just as we were getting started that you just celebrated your two year anniversary with the company. I started down South and I was super excited to Dennis. At the time he I worked about a month down South and then he moved me up here up north in. It's been the most Sommese experience ever since. And we're so glad to have the part of the family and I feel like there's something so special about those of us that choose to do this as a long term career because in so many ways our understanding of the industry and even as ourselves elves it evolves over time totally evolves over time. I know that I've I've changed tremendously just like through the experiences of every day of being at the ranch and with my clients and I've just noticed that there's just a real difference about meaning gene like my patients level. Just like the amount of love I'm able to give and it's just it's actually been quite fruitful an amazing. It's just personally never mind like all of the amazing other benefits so what you say is the biggest change that you've seen in yourself off over these past two years I would have to say My patients in a going nece I was actually talking to you about this. Before that livestream on our show on livestream that I used to be a goofball and I would not necessarily five but like I don't want to do it I get all nervous and and then I'd be like a now two years later her. I love doing it like I'm going to be hosting mix next week I love doing and now I have positive feedback from the other ladies. He's in the house too and have had positive feedback from gentlemen on the chat. Like it's just been very very cool so I'd have to say being outgoing and doing that and also my patients level has just through time and seeing things happen and and going through just personal life changes. You've noticed like my family noticed a difference so funny you believe your whole energy being really changes as time goes on and even in the time that I've known you I see you you hold yourself so differently. You're always smiling. You just like this radiant energy coming off of you. Thank you very much There was actually So my little brother he actually got married in September so I was thinking about this and so as an example for me being outgoing I noticed that my two sisters writes there is This giant DANCEFLOOR and here my little brother's getting married you too is beautiful wife. And they're on the dance floor and they're dancing with all their friends and everything else and I used to be more of a wallflower so I would be more. The person person that was sitting with my two sisters and so I realized that I'm watching myself almost lake genes in and of that situation just a few months months ago and be like Oh my goodness I'm up here dancing and having fun with everybody else write to sisters. We're actually just sitting there. They were cool and they were having having fun. But I noticed that things like that didn't bother me anymore like I enjoy being out and about and having fun with people like it was it was a blast. Oh Oh I bet. It's so interesting because I feel like so uniquely within this industry you to know yourself on such a deep intimate level that otherwise he would never have a chance. Tail holy absolutely agree. Oh yes so tell us a little bit about who you are your history. Your background of about your personality will so I've come from a long line of professional positions decisions where I was very much in customer service So I've always I've always had a feeling for people and so I've noticed over time and it was before I even became a sex worker. I noticed that through my own spiritual changes it is and being that I'm an path. Yes tell us a little bit about that so being an path and it's also evolved over time Um but it's something where I am with someone or in certain situations and I tend to absorb some of their energy energy I take Hughes emotionally and also physically from different people. Yeah and so. If someone is super super happy I can feel their energy and I can feel being super happy. You know if someone comes in to say someone comes is into the ranch and they're super nervous. I can feel how nervous they are. Not just because they're hand is trembling but because I can actually feel what they're sort of feeling like it radiates off of them all sound like you're able to pick up on those subtle nuances exactly and it's Oh wow language language it's more inherently have. This feeling of I can tell what they're feeling at that time. Wow now gives me cues to be able to help ease people and not make people so nervous and because coming into the ranch inches not an easy thing to do no not at all. It's very anxiety. Ridden very nerve inducing especially for. Here's someone that's coming in the very first time that's never gotten to experience that space. You don't know what to expect like I go go back for years and remember my own. I experience coming in with my bags and completely freaked out and nervous anxious and it gives you that appreciation and for putting yourself in someone else's shoes but what you experience even deeper than just being able to put yourself in their shoes but actually get get that real time feedback. I imagine it's really beneficial especially in the girlfriend experience. Oh my goodness I love the girlfriend. Experience like Hat being a girlfriend to someone either temporarily or overlong termine termine actually talking to someone long-term has been. It's really I don't know quite how to explain. Just how gratifying it feels for me to make someone else feel special. I want someone to know how special they are. You're in this world because I think everyone should feel special in the girlfriend experience. The fee is something where I see. Do you know whether someone's nervous or not. It's something I can very much. Read the situation through being an impact in everything else in through also just over time where I want someone to feel good and I want the you know like I've gone an outdated up to dinner and gone to Tahoe and gun to look at the mountains and the beautiful lakes and just like spending time with someone on and cuddling with someone in making the feel amazing. Never mind the mazing sakes oh the sexiest the benefit that point but like totally totally. It's so rare in our society that individual gets to be seen and loved for who they are in. That moment tore we constantly especially in today's Day and age Roy's like oh where are you going with your progress. What are your goals and we never just stop and celebrate the existence sense of self and who you are within the moment? It's important you know like I want people to know you know. There's so many different walks of life. People come from different walks of life into the ranch in the email or however they reach out to me. It's different different walks of life that I want someone to know that no matter where they're coming from that I can meet them there. Yes and that's important to me and I want them to know that their time is important to me like something that I do especially for setting up a party. Bright is that I always just make sure that. Say We go through the process of actually booking our party right so we get all the amazing party sheets and things right so what I do you is. I take my guest back to the parlor and I say that I'm just GONNA go set up my room so that I'm not actually taking up the time of me setting up my room. I take the time before we start the clock or before we start our time. I I take that time to make sure they know how important their time is to me. It's valued to be something where like taking a path of it setting up things I want. You know this is cool. Thank you for being amazing and I imagine. Imagine too that when you're doing that it really allows you to get into the right mindset to like as you're setting the bed up you're also able to balance out Carol and energy find the right music for that particular person and really helped set the tone as they come into that space. It's not old Gertie real quick. It's here we we are. We have arrived and it kind of lets. You set the stage in a way. I bet absolutely like there was a gentleman the other day and he wanted to listen. Listen to sixties music. I love that. Yes in Su are not particularly familiar with sixties. So at first I said to you mean classic rock and he's like no I mean like sixties country and I was like okay. Well then how I type that in and I will find sixties country and it was just awesome again set the stage like you said and I bet as he walked in heard. The music saw the room that he was just so delighted. That you took that extra extra-special time to make him feel special unseen who. Yeah because that's important to me. It's not just someone coming into and like you said like sex is like the most awesome benefit of doing what we do. But there's also just again the gratification of having if someone feels so special and I want them to know I want them to all of anyone that walkways in couples included that their time was important. Important to me That's the really the coolest part like I bake for a lot of my clients Oh boy okay. Now you gotta go into detail Lucy. Let's go see we have a rule here on the cast that if you mentioned food or cooking yes got to share the details of it so like what are we baking. Well my degree areas and baking and pastry arts. So I don't just usually do something that is I don't do very simple things so One of the things that I really enjoy making is Italian buttercream. I love making cakes and birthday cakes and cupcakes. He's calling valley so with Italian buttercream. I use a special mixer because it has to be a stand mixer with the stand mixer. You you take egg whites and you whip them up to a certain consistency. It's uncalled the goodness. I'm trying to think of exactly what it's called. Of course. I would blink right now but it's feeling with your baking in the look of it and you look at it and it's like okay cool it's peaked or fluffy there we go so it soft peaks. Thank you so with soft peaks. I also take the sugar and I boil the sugar to a certain degree. Where then I pour it into the guedes? And then you have have to whip it until it cools down to a certain To a certain like lukewarm is what it feels like my hands and I do it inherently at this point that makes accents especially given the empathy I can see that really like fusing into the baking tail just comes together. I can't I can't help it. Just is something where I watched one of the few First chefs that I ever worked with and I watched the way that he would work with certain things and I wanted to be able to touch sh food that way. It'd just make it come together so I take the butter and put it into the egg whites and just whip it through and it's not as sweet tweet as like regular buttercream. It has like a little bit less sweet but the consistency light and fluffy and it's fun to work with and and we actually at a party the other night and all the cupcakes gone. I believe they believe it. Man that sounds delicious. See again again. It's just one of those like personal little touches that you're able to add in and just really create something completely unique different and like whoever are expected that you would find Italian buttercream in a brothel. Just say it's awesome but like I'm here for it. That sounds so good. Well it's something thing that I feel blessed to be able to do Like how cool is it that we get to do so many different things I get to meet so many different people grow ro is a person and provide something that I love to do. That is also appreciated that. Yeah it's it's really rewarding so don'ts as you're coming with the two years now within the space what would you say is your biggest takeaway. My biggest takeaway would probably be just feeling even better about myself. Unlike I know again. My personal growth has it's just been exponential so I have to say that just watching. Coaching myself blossom as well as in. That's through other people. Yes it's like. I almost feel like each. Each of us is a diamond. But as we evolve through this industry more and more facets get added to that and we glow and shine even even moreover timing like as we come refined polished and inner brilliance really starts to show in then getting to share that joy. That gift. Isn't that energy with your guests helping them at facets to themselves and find low within themselves as really just so special in magical for people truly really is like do any stories. Come to mind of you kind of walking a guest through I experience and kind of seeing that change within them. I I have to say there's also known as far as like I experience I've seen a virgins and that alone is just been amazing to be part of someone's first experience with sex So I'm trying to think of actual specific gentleman but okay so there's one gentleman and and he is forty five and he was actually a virgin when he came to see me So and nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with adult virginity. No shame no stigma stigma in on top of that like one of the coolest man because he would also been married for eighteen years right and so through through their experience actually with them both together. it turns out that after I was able to be with with him it was he came back to see me again at a couple of times and we had a couple of two girl experiences real experiences with him and then nine his wife Kate and then I got to actually share with her her first orgasm. Oh my God that's beautiful. Cool is the is so cool so I mean just that experience alone as just wowed me he loves -solutely wowed me you literally changed their lives their relationships the way that they communicate and interact with each damn. It was so damn dude I got to be there for them to have obsessed with each other for the first time and I was like what. How cool is this adds? Wow yes so over time and then they came to see me actually. This past year was for her birthday and so I made her birthday cake and well. It's so fun. And so made her birthday cake and just watch how their relationship as even evolved through my relationship with him in my relationship with her. It's just been amazing like the three of us in the hot tub together or my goodness so the hot yeah. It was a blast like a best birthday ever best birthday ever or so much fun so outside of the ranch. What sorts of things do you like to do with your free time? Well actually. It's only been fairly new but But I've been hiking in around the areas and Carson. Oh yes and we have some gorgeous gorgeous trails here. They're so beautiful. And in like these amazing hills and like we're in the middle of the desert and it's just it's beautiful to see the mountains out in the background in like it's just gorgeous so I love going hiking more because out in nature it gives me some time to who really ground and pull myself back down to earth and demo- zone just to let myself just be uh-huh not not on stage. Yeah hiking so it's just such a beautiful moment of peace return to mother Earth a return to nature. And it's just so centering lake when you get to breathe in the fresh Nevada mountain air you feel better. You're just feel so much more calm and relaxed. It's it's kind of magical. It is magical so someone that actually introduced hiking more in the area area and also there's a waterfall there's waterfalls in Carson city is so Halina Price. Sushi took me out hiking. A few times is and again grumbled and grumbled and then I loved it after I started going in and then we started going out and we went up a few different trails right and we would go the same trail every day for a couple of weeks. Hey so I noticed because is she ended up. Actually she injured her foot at one point. And so just through circumstances I ended up going by myself. Okay and it's like yourself out there like all right so I'm going to go by myself and since then I've been going more and more by myself but what was interesting. Is that eh one very huge hill. Okay and it's like one of those hills where you're just like Oh my God. I can't believe that I'm actually walking up this thing because because you're just like huffing and puffing no matter what apparently whatever shape you're in makes no difference. It's just a crazy hill so I came up over for this hill. And there's like this Kinda split off in the road so I went to the right and here by myself and I had gone for weeks with Lena. It was like it was just awesome to go with her. And then I saw because we haven't wild mustangs here in a moment. Sure Dale and so there was this gorgeous gray array Mustang. That was just out in the middle of this. Like Patch of desert. But it's kind of long grass with like these weird sort of the Sagebrush Bush's everywhere and so here. He was just standing there and I was just like. Oh hello how are you and so I find it interesting because I also safety and I wanNa make sure that I am safe and I would never walk up to the actual Mustang because as we don't feed them here thing that's advised or lawful so here I just kept on going and I just said hello with energy and just thought it was really neat right so then. I continue going with Lena for the next few days right then. Dan through circumstances ended up going by myself again. And so we never saw the Mustang. When Helena and I went together right so so then and I kept telling everybody took pictures and I'm like here's this little thing out here he's gorgeous? This is so neat right and so then it turns out that we go together dot C.. Him and then I went by myself again and then there he was like. Oh hello would wow. Yeah it happened three Different Times right. It was so bizarre and I was like. Oh Wow I don't quite understand why or how but it was just amazing that to have this interaction with this amazing creature that is just magnificent and majestic in just so cool to me and the fact that they're wild. They're wild animals. Here's this Gorgeous Wild Mustang. It's just there and he's choosing to trust you to be in his space. He's not running his. They're sharing the energy sharing that moment in time with you and that's cool. That's that's awesome. Those are the things that when you look back on life and you reflect back on what the past year has brought that really. Just stand out because you can't plan plan for something like that it's just it's just like tapping on the shoulder being like. Hi you're in the right place the right time and you're doing the right eight things in life. Absolutely that is very well. said that is totally doing the right things at the right time And I appreciate that. It's just I can't even tell you. Just how grateful I am for the past two years of just being with this amazing company being with the Bunny Ranch family and just like aac being at leverage. It's just I'm so grateful I really am in just awesome. It's cool too because as we come to a close as of one year and lean into the new twenty twenty the roaring twenties. I can't wait to see what the next God ten years of Bunny Ranch really hold. It's it's given the incredible really I. I look back and reflect and think of all of the whole of the things that we've the over come this past year from defeating the Lion County initiatives you getting to create this amazing community space and actually actually getting to share with the locals about who we are and what we do totally. I really do think that the future hold nothing but amazing things absolutely. I totally totally agree. Yes so then flora we get off the air here. Do you have any any special goals any special plans for twenty twenty EH special goals. I mean always personal growth. Is something really really important to me but also I wanNA share more who. Ym with my guests and clients. Yes I want to get to know people even better and be the more and more comfortable with myself. I want to share more and more with them and just love life and love it truly love it so if people you wanna spend time with you. What's the best way to get a hold of Yale so my email address is Olivia Green at love ranch dot net and my twitter is at Olivia Green John D. and I have little rhyme? That goes with it because I'm the girl next door and so much more that that's that's so cute has to myself. You can reach me Alice little at Bunny ranch dot com. Follow me on twitter at the the Alice little or on Instagram at the Alice. Little official as always thank you so much for joining us for another other episode. Please be sure to like subscribe. Give us a little five star rating on whatever listening platform. You happen to be on and you can always see the behind the scenes on our youtube channel. I hope everybody has a wonderful safe in spectacular new year and we will see you all next year.

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4. Bunnies at Work

Sold In America

48:24 min | 2 years ago

4. Bunnies at Work

"Hi, everyone before we begin pleased advised that this podcast does contain adult themes, and it is intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Eleven miles. You're gonna turn Francey cutoff. For me. A road trip consists of a few important things fast food, cheap coffee. And of course, SpongeBob squarepants remix. I'm on the road with my crew Kevin videographer is in the driver seat Kate to one of our producers is riding shotgun. And Eric our podcast producer is sitting in the backseat jamming out with me. We're on our way from Las Vegas to Carson city, Nevada. And that's where we're supposed to meet up with a legend in the world of the sex trade. So the sun is peaking through some like thick grey clouds because there was a heavy storm. There seems to be a little bit of a haze across the mountains. And it's just straight. Desert-like? We're driving on a road in the middle of desert where there's like smaller plants, we saw a lot of cacti on the drive here and gadgets like it's golden hour. It's a seven hour drive. So eventually we have to stop for gas in the middle of the desert. And it turns out that the gas station, we stop at isn't your typical gestation and it's called. Area fifty one alien center. And then it's an alien wrongful question work or early in tier? I hop out of this UV, and do you know the mid road trip stretch, and I'm looking up at a grey sky. And the vibe is just a little eerie. As soon as I walk into the gas station. I feel like I've entered a twilight zone, and it just keeps getting more bizarre. House brothel. Wow, I've never seen a brothel rely. So this is an experience it literally descends brothel. Looks like a pretty typical seven eleven so minutes. Here's pictures of aliens, and there's alcohol in alien bottles and alien shirts. I've never even heard of this place. I'm not gonna lie aliens socks a lot of green green walls screen aliens, green cut out and a lot of kids running around in the diner. But I wonder if they know there is a brothel attached to this diner slash gas station slash alien exhibit. And I just went out that I wanted to go like a slightly longer way that would have gone through a national park, and we ended up here. Also, if you want to see a video of us at the area, fifty one brothel text the word alien to the number two zero two eight zero four two four eight zero that's eight L I E N to the number two zero two eight zero four two four eight zero. It's like the place is under a magic spell, and I just want to keep exploring more at the back of the store. I see rows and rows of shelves covered. With just one book the art of the pimp. A love story. One man search for love sex and money by the PD Bardem of booty Dennis Hof proprietor and pimp world famous moonlite bunny ranch. Thanks. Dumper loser boyfriend, she'd call me two or three times a week, we talk and I'd get hard on the phone remembering the weird rocked her perfect asks in my Tampa hotel room, this is a graph. Like, I have to get my fast food fix. So we buy snacks and head outside. And I just can't believe what I see next. Dennis Hof says joined the Republican party I did. And that's a big billboard with Dennis Hof wearing a cowboy hat now. I wonder I wonder how he's feel about. Tomorrow's interview. Crazy. What a coincidence. A random stop for gas in the middle of the desert, and the closest thing available isn't just a gas station. It's a brothel to and this brothel is owned by the same guy were driving seven hours to meet Dennis Hof, America's most infamous legal pimp. He owns several brothels in Nevada in this state prostitution is legal, but only in some counties and only out here in the desert prostitution is still illegal in Las Vegas. I feel like we've just driven into a completely different world one where hilly and brothels just appear out of nowhere. And it only gets weirder from here. So far we've heard from people who have been exploited and from some of the prosecutors and cops who are trying to find ways to end the exploitation. But here in Nevada some counties are doing something entirely different. They've made selling sex in a brothel setting legal. So that's got me thinking can sex just be a business where everyone benefits and no one is exploited. And if you want to explore that question, you have to meet some of the people who are making money out here in the desert and the man at the center of it all Dennis Hof. I'm north toward. And this is sold in America. They see me on that corner. When the the work they seem you on the corner when they get off a work. Something is wrong. And nobody's never stopped the Knicks. If they pay the price, I will do I'm really about my money, but like I'm not gonna lie expensive. My biggest concern is I'm homeless, and I wanna fuck in place to stay and I want to be able to eat. But nobody listens to us when we say that I'm not a piece of trash I mean human being and it don't deserve to be treated that way. We'll close new moon community here to support each other. The different sues can have sexual interaction too in the girls. Do it. This road trip ends at the moonlite bunny ranch just outside of Carson city. This is Dennis Hoff's. Most famous brothel interesting. Everyone does it. We're just smart enough to get paid for. It was featured in several documentaries and even had its own reality show on HBO called cat house cat house. Aired over the span of almost ten years starting in two thousand five the show portrayed selling sex like a business just like any other. And they don't know things that satisfy women most guys don't know where the g spot is much less. How to get to it? We teach men average lovers outta be kings at home that show made Dennis Hof famous. He was one of the stars in the series, and it really raised his profile and helped him sell his business model doing it on TV was a great opportunity for him and kind of necessary because legally he isn't allowed to advertise his brothels on statewide television. But HBO show pretty much did that for him for ten years straight. The series was filmed right here at moonlight bunny ranch. So just remember as we get into this. What you're about to hear is a sales pitch for Dennis Hof and how he sell sex. But what I want to know is how does that sales pitch? Compare with the reality of the day today here at his brothels over in stupid. Yes. The sun is beaming in the sky as we approached the brothel, and it is a hot hot day, the brothel is so famous it has its own media manager his name is Mark made off his office is in a building separate from the main ranch. And when we meet him, I'm a little taken aback. He doesn't look Amy thing. Like what I expected he's not dressed in a suit. In fact, he's dressed in a well worn grey t-shirt parachutes and a pair of sneakers we walk into his office. And it's completely dark. The only light. You can see is the light coming off of the two max screens. He's blasting heavy metal music, and they are just stacks and stacks of papers and books all over the place. Connecting year. Join us wonder, you know, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Crew here. Okay. Yes. She you're you're here to talk to prostitutes. We're here to talk to you. Yeah. Denison, some of the girls. Usually work out of this one. I live in D really understanding bed. What a life. She used to me up renew. Legal. Not. Well, this is unique bit of Americana. Most people think that brothels legal in the they're not the only a few counties where the population is rural of where they want us here because they make money so to legal Vegas big on rano to weakened city. So me here in the boonies. Mark offers to drive with us over to the main ranch. That's the place customers go first when they visit the brothel. Make a writing see the fleshing sinus of their learning. So this is the entrance to the famous bunny ranch noticed the tongue in cheek signs as you drive up towards the ranch. There are signs on the side of the road that say things like bunnies at play. There's also a speed limit sign that says speed limit sixty nine just kidding thirty five from the outside. It looks like a quaint little shop in the middle of the desert. There's beige vinyl siding, and even a white picket fence that surrounds the entire place an attached to the siting there are giant pink letters that spell out moonlight bunny ranch we park, and as we walk inside. It hits me. I'm probably the first woman wearing of to ever step through these doors. Mark doesn't seem to care. He starts showing this around we start off in the front room, which looks just like a bar their dark, walls and carpet. Couches Stronach about an alcohol served in the back. The room is pretty empty now. And most of the girls are actually back in their bedrooms room because. It's the party counters with the guests or in the room, we call the euphemism for the encounter party. So they party in the same room. They live in Mark shows us to this place, they referred to as the Hooker Booker room. It's a room where clients come to sign all of the legal papers, and it's covered in those legal papers. But it's also covered in screens streaming security footage from all over at the brothel. And right by the desk is the first working girl, we meet she sees us. And then starts whispering to Mark. You definitely can't touch that. One. I never find out her name. But she's wearing a pair of orange boy shorts and a very small orange crop top that matches her hair is Brown and a little shaggy, and she has heavy black eye makeup that looks like it's been on there for quite a while. She starts pointing at each one of us saying she wants to touch us. I can feel myself Tensing up. Hi, don't want anyone to touch me. And I'm starting to sweat. This is Wendy Wendy's. The manager. In case you didn't catch that. She just said, how do you guys feel about being molested? And then she starts asking me to take off my shirt. She. Come on. You're playboy come on. Oh, so you know, you can Google that Schick with her. That's you never never in my life. I take off my shirt, and I'm just some showers. Okay. Just for some back story here. If you go on my name, one of the first things that are going to see is me featured in playboy magazine in two thousand sixteen. I was featured in their renegades issue. I talked about my work as a journalist about why choose to wear the hijab. And how I want to change the prevailing narrative about Muslims in America. This was during a year playboy decided to stop publishing nudity. And of course, I was fully clothed. You didn't get negative replied would get away which thousand point just like just like a little Chris company. Converter. Okay. So you here to shift change seven. You come here. Term length of your better. I mean to me this feels like she's trying to intimidate me. And I'm not gonna lie. It's absolutely working. I've never been sexually harassed by a woman before so this totally catches me off guard. And I know it catches the rest of my team off guard because no one is saying anything, we're all stunned and right now all I'm thinking to myself is did I make mistake coming here is this what it's going to be like for the rest of the night is this just a one off moment and the rest of the night is going to go smoothly. I just don't know what to say. I don't know what to do. And I'm nervous. Finally, we leave the room, and I can breathe and we go back to the front room where we started. So as you saw that display, we hit will types of people that work here. So. Go with Flo charities groceries. Come out now. Hi, this is the crew. This is tier. Hi, a woman walks up to us. And she is tall. I looked straight at her feet to see if he's wearing heels and Nope, she's wearing a pair of flip flops. She's around six feet tall. And in her twenties. Her hair is long and bleach blonde. She has a diamond bellybutton ring that is on proud display right below her crop top. And she takes us around the rest of the ranch stuff unfolds. Oh, she's super cool. They're all super cool. So tanning rooming here use a tanning salon often as you can see doctor's office, the girls get tested weekly, as you know. And if you know something comes up, you know, an auto allowed on the premise is that where you guys would do the tests. Yeah. In this building right here. Yeah. We have a doctor the two doctors come one takes blood. And then one does like this stuff down there, of course, to get some myrow. TR's room is down a long hallway lit with blue and red lights. There's a king sized bed in the middle of the room covered a fluffy pink blanket, the walls are pink to there's a fireplace and a television with a PlayStation off in the corner. So I'm still working on decorations. I'm gonna get lights for like my bed. And obviously this wall space is driving me nuts. I need to get some pictures Yara actually lives here. She pays room and board to Dennis. She's an independent contractor and can make anywhere from a few hundred to thousands of dollars per night. But Dennis takes half of whatever. She makes she welcomes me into her room and invite tater sit on her bed with her and she's so kind and inviting that I feel comfortable, and I feel like I can breathe again. Unlash wildly this mattress. This mad comfortable, really good. So tell me about how you started at the ranch. So I was dancing at the clubs in Portland and in Vegas, and my friend who was a bar owner was like, oh, yeah. I love the brothels. Although I'm like brothels like you have legal brothels are great like I spent X amount of dollars there. And I loved it. And this was a huge amount of money. I'm like I need to go there right now. And I signed up and here I am. And I'm making good money. And he was right people come in and spend that kind of money. Well, while you're dancing where you ever approach to do this illegally, y'all of Oz proposition every night, and did you ever even consider it? No. I never thought. I'd be doing this. I was like I'll never do that. But then I heard like, it's legal. And we're the girls are tested like I gave it a chance. So I used to to be honest. I used to like talk down on it like paying someone for sex like, but now, my whole mindset changed, and I'm a part of it. So I. I really wish I never talked on it. You know, how long do you see yourself doing this the next eight years? Yeah. I have a goal like a certain amount of money by the time. I quit an a house as soon as I found out. I was going to be doing this. I kind of started going through goals in my head like what am I going to do with this money? You know need to start a retirement fund. I need that certain things I wanna car, of course, all the material stuff. But then of course, I need to be set for my future. So I'm like, I'm going to set up my future right now at the bunny ranch, and that might not be just a pipe dream. There are some women who work at the bunny ranch for decades. Can you walk me through what negotiation process is like for you here? So when the customer first comes into my room on the first thing, I do is just say make yourself at home, so my bed, and then I start asking questions like where are you from you know, just trying to make them feel comfortable instead of being like how what's your budget? How much money you got this is my price. And then I say some people come in here, and they have. A certain thing in their mind already planned that they want to do with the girl. Are you that person? Do you have a fetish or a fantasy? You want me to fulfill are you basic oral inner core or oral intercourse, and then they'll either say they have a fetish. And then I will choose my price how depending on how dramatic fetishes or third normal. I will go with my regular price deal safe every single time. I do I really do. I sit down with the person, and, you know, talk with them for a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be safe. But you know, I can I've pretty good at feeling out vibes and picking up vibes and feeding off vibes and I've felt safe. So far every time. I've never felt like I've only been doing this for two months. I said, but I haven't came across anything that's like been like, oh, this is unsafe. Or this is crazy. There seemed to be lots of safety measures in place here. TR gets up to show me one of them. It's a panic button right in her room. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was an accident. Hey k. Known alley. No. Wow. That was like a really rushing. It was quick. You see like if something happens. They're going to be right there. Yeah. Yeah. I like I'm glad that you should not make you feel safe. Yeah. Of course, she was right on like. Yeah. In seconds. What was I saying? Yeah. Hold on is that that's the bell. What's the that's the lineup? There's a lineup. I mean, I don't care right now. There's plenty of those. I mean, if you guys want to get it now, it'd be the time the customer will stand in front, and then the girls will come out can we? Let's yeah. Let's do it. We kind of have to hurry. You're gonna start without us. So there's a lineup happening, which means a customer just came through. And the girls are going to line up in the customer's going to take their pick. We follow Tara to the front door where the customer is standing with one of the ranch greeters. TR joins the rest of the women. If you wanna see what the lineup actually looks like text the word lineup to two zero two eight zero four two four eight zero. That's L. I N E UP to the number two zero two eight zero four two four eight zero. I'm just hanging back. I'm watching from few yards away. Shocked. Molest Danny, Sarah. Hi, mercedes. So all of the girls are doing introductions. Everyone's dressed up and. It's funny because their hands are behind their back. It seems like they're a little shy from where I'm looking, but they're introducing themselves to the client. Which? And he was like he just pick the girl the one straight in the middle and walking. So I didn't get picked. But that's okay. Yeah. And I mean is can you kind of slain to me how it feels every time or is it just a when it happens happens? Yeah. It's just if he picks you great if not the new for the next. Yeah. We can go back. I just can't get over. How strange this all feels to me TRS the first person I've met who seems so at ease she selling sex like it's a TV at best buy. But here she is working for the Dennis Hof. How often do you talk to him routine? Siham? Oh, all the time. Yeah. Here all the time. Yeah. I mean, not all the time because he's very busy. And he's working. But he's here a lot. This is the bunny ranch is is baby. So he's a lot. And so far what's your relationship with him? Been light grew so positive. He's so much fun to hang around. He's got a great sense of humor. Like, I said he's positive like you want to be around him. If something's going wrong. I'm having problem with the client. He talks me through it. What to say what to do? He's been in this game forever. So he knows best. And look how successful he is. Why would I listen to? Remember that clip of the reality TV show cat house that takes place here at the bunny ranch, and it was airing on HBO well spending time here at the brothel is a lot like watching that episode, but in real life, and so far the show seems to match up with the reality of what goes on here. But I still haven't heard from the man who runs it all. After the break my experience with America's most famous legal pimp. Casper is asleep brand that continues to revolutionize. It's line of products to create an exceptionally comfortable sleep experience one night at a time with three mattress models. The original casper the wave and the essential. 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He walks through the door like he owns the place, and he does and takes me straight to the bar. We hop onto to barstools facing each other. And this is when the performance starts. He takes out a fat cigar lights it up and blows a couple of puffs in my face. He asks the bartender for fake glass of champagne, and this all seems very familiar because I've watched some of his interviews, and I've seen that he typically has that cigar in his hand in the glasses. Champagne right next. Yeah. So take us back all the way to the beginning. The first time you ever even came across your first working girl will. My first sexual encounter. What I wreck Shen was what I was about nine years old. And I was the ozone state fairgrounds in it was up about six eight rose watch this movie being filled and this beautiful blonde. Marilyn Monroe kept looking at me, and she waved to me my grandmother wave tour. So I waved to her few minutes later, she came up with her bodyguards grandma's stand up. She walked up put her hand on my shoulder gave me a kiss put a big rig lipstick. Mark on me and said, you're a handsome young man in in in bed with glam blondes all my life since I was hard as Chinese arithmetic there. It is I start with a basic first question and Dennis makes it about his erection. That's a line. He's used so often that he starts his book with it. It's one thing to read it in his book. But it's another thing to be sitting that close up to him and have him say it straight to my face. It's kind of throwing me off balance and kind of think that's what he wants right now started. So how did you first get into the brothel business? I moved to Reno from Phoenix seventy six sort of dating a girl. I didn't know what she was a prostitute. She's just come out and take a look Sunday night is the night when boyfriends could come out I want you to pull out meet everybody and see what's going on. So I came out I so how this seems kinda normal. Once you get past what the product is young businessman on a bunch of gas stations garage, the towing Kobe and. The lights went own is is a businessman. I said, yeah. So took me to ninety two divide. I bought it. And everybody said square. It's not gonna work is. Square but on the small businessman. I understood business is. So what I took the side down the said moonlight raise men only. Would up the side says Dennis Hof world famous moonlite bunny risk because I knew it would be someday. Make it that way of the girl used the new rules. New boss town new sheriff from tower. Guess what? There's no minimum price anymore. What I'm going gonna say what your worth that's up to you and the customer what you wanna do. I don't want any involvement in that. You'll never be chest is for saying. No, it's so don't party with able you don't want to don't do anything. You don't don't do anything for any less money than you feel like it's worth. Just be nice to the client. If you're rude and say, you're too tall. Too short. You're too fat. Your to black whatever you're out the door in a second. And they said he'll never make again because I was square in the other thing, I did is we got a new deal zero tolerance on drugs zero tolerance on fields. I don't wanna pimps in my life. I don't wanna girls with a hate what it stands for. What does it stand for? Well, it stands for it depends on who saying it if snoop little Judd or. Or me, they say, I'm sent me some cool. Yeah. These pill. He's cool. If Sean Hannity says it of real already, we're gonna fight it. I'm a businessman in the book and the art of the pimp, they say ingests because when you read the book, you find out the last thing, I am is I'm a partner with these girls in a good partner in a good friend to most of a lot of things to girls, a friend of a dad of a lover of a financial backer of a visor and a lot of things to a lot of people eleven thousand girls here since ninety two then can you define the word pimp in your own tests. Appeal. Simplest term is is a man that brings women of brings men or women two girls for sex. So in the simples term. I have a license. I have a business license to do this. A legal. Absolutely. But in the street connector in most people's thoughts. Appeal is a guy that goes to Kansas City, underage girls. Runaways fills with drugs in owns mix them wholesome around Oakland, Las Vegas sexual SIS pool of America in a lot of different places like that. So they have a work in the streets. They're doing illegal things about tested full of drugs this business. The prostitution business worldwide is a dirty disgusting drug-ridden exploitive disease ridden business till you legalize it. When you make it legal everything changes the whole game changes. Hey, wendy. All of a sudden in the middle of our conversation. Dennis starts yelling for one of his employees in the back. Some of the girls are getting a little rowdy and Dennis Hof. Suddenly snaps out of this mister nice guy mode. He's been in all night. And it's quite jarring. Christie. Somebody girls gotta go sit in there, talk go outside or go to your room. The can't do this to me. This outburst is the first time. I can really say I think I just saw Dennis Hof, it shattered this allusion that he's just a regular old boss who treats, his female employees, like his partners. And it's always just a jolly good time around here because it doesn't really sound to me like he's talking to a big happy family. There's also the fact that he does sleep with some of his employees, and that's not typically allowed in other businesses. Most of them friends with each other girls. Yeah. It's like a dorm like everybody here. Yeah. That's okay. We'll do business. I don't have to like all the girls of. But it's like it's like a dorm and all the goods in the beds. We're a microcosm of America. Whatever good bed happens in America happens. Here are girls in here. The coming here. L call. Yeah. Who we get them help? If we get them help get them out the door or the girls in here that come in here with drug habits. Yeah. Just like every business. The differences all emitted where other businesses won't. And we we try to fix people and try to help them out. It's so is our percentage of girls that are here that are alcohol drug addicts or have personal problems higher than mainstream society. But we deal with. That's what family does that. We we think we are a family all close knit little community here. The supports each other the differences we can have sexual interaction too in the girls. Do it does. Having. Does legalizing prostitution alleviate sex trafficking, in your opinion? Is never going to eliminate it. But it's going to slow it down to a crawl if the consumer the woman has a legal option to go to they're gonna take it. Give you a few examples liquor prohibition. The only one that made money was a gangsters in the crooked politicians now the liquor industry contribute. Six billion dollars a year to the federal coffers. You're never going to get rid of six traffic, but you can slow it down. And you could knock it down ninety percent in my thought by making it legal because when a guy goes on what he's online scumbag sites. He finds the girl they make these girls address up barely legal look at vernacular. They use whether trying to sell these girls, and so the customer doesn't know through eighteen he might be guys. How old are you? I'm eighteen eighteen eighteen he doesn't know for sure. Let me see your ID fake ID all these to give. So when when you legalize something who do you take out of the business, you take the underage girls out because every girl here has to go down and get a business license. Be fingerprinted photographed they run the federal check of to make sure there's no wants or warrants if you've even had as much as a marijuana ticket for thirty five dollars in your state. You can't work it for five years after conviction. It eliminates underage girls in the brothels. That's never going to happen of who else can get in. The biz the pumps the ruthless. Brutal. Pimps can't get in the business into that. Because they like I've been to ten year of my life seven ten year, my life background checks any business transactions. I've had tax returns you name it. They asked me they check me out from a to z because they don't want anybody messing up the system, I'm black and white if you're having. Sex for money your criminal. That's it. If you're under age your victim. I don't care if the girl wanted to comes to Pimm say, I want to be part of your team or your family. You're still victim. I might if they're old if they are of age, but they're being trafficked, they're not criminals, they have no business being in the business. We can't innate limit mills. Of course, you're selling sex for money in America. But you're not doing it legally in LeBron's your criminal just to be clear. He's talking here about women who sell sex where it's not legal basically everybody who's not working in a legal brothel, which is basically the rest of the country. But if they don't have a choice, what do you mean? What what do you have a choice? But if you're if you have a pimp, or if somebody is taking the money from you or you're in a terrible situation, which terrible it's terrible. They should go to jail. I don't think it's it depends on the circumstances. They don't have to do this. They can break those ties everybody. Knows how to call nine one one the walk out of the hotel with her del nine one one. I'm being traffic. I need help law enforcement in cases at law enforcement isn't helping them or is resting them. Instead, helping you know, these these sex workers they're doing things illegally legally have all these excuses bullshit it trust me. It's bullshit. It sounds to me like you're falling into that Trump. They're criminals are working to criminal activity if they're being forced to work as sexually in being sex slaves. Yes, they are victims. No matter what as the victims they need help. But if you're in the business, and you you're doing it because you wanna be your criminal. And I don't care what any girls say, they're criminals are working in the criminal environment. And then you know, what when they get killed or they get beat up bad or they get arrested feel bad for themselves. Why the hell were you in the business? You're criminal. Is no different than a drug dealer. Get shot way another drug dealer than complaining about the police. I can tell you just by the question. Ask your fallen into the trap nonsense. It don't do it. I got it. Right. Trust me. I got it. Right. Dennis Hoff's view of the world is pretty black and white to him the only way to get rid of exploitation is to legalize sex work across the country. Make it a business and regulate it to him making sex work legal will make it safer. But also, it's the only option that makes him a lot more money. After we finished talking I'm exhausted by how intense he is. I'm still thinking about what happened earlier this morning. I think down onto one of the couches in the parlor. And I am beat. I played the day back through my mind. Trying to make sense of everything. I think once you get past the. Photos of nudity everywhere, you realize this is kind of just like any other businesses stablishment. Everyone has money on their mind. And when you ask the girls what their priorities here what they're trying to get out. And that is exactly what they're going to tell you. And so a lot of people have this idea that brothels are crazy or what they are used to seeing on TV the vibe here is just super chill. And that's something that I didn't really expect. But there were some things that did stand out to me every working girl. I've seen here today is white with the exception of one girl the women here. Look a lot different than the other sex workers I've met that's probably because it's not easy to get a job here. You have to have the money to apply for business license. You can't have a criminal record. And you have to be up to Dennis's standards, which typically are blonde and beautiful. Whatever your feelings about Dennis Hof. There's at least one thing. He's wrong about illegal sex work isn't always matter of choice. Really set in like, well, you're trans woman now, and you're also Brown it's gonna be hard to find a job. And that was when I eventually myself periods of homelessness, and it wasn't like I didn't do drugs. I didn't like drink. I did everything I was supposed to do. I like went to college. But no it didn't matter. Once all these things started happening. Just because I was trans was like at all. Crumbled? And I'm about to learn all of that right here in my hometown, Washington DC because DC while they're exploring an entirely different approach if the country isn't ready for legalization what if we just stop arresting people for buying and selling sex. Next time on sold in America. Before we go. We have some news about Dennis Hof just as we were finalizing this episode of sold in America. We found out that tennis passed away. He was found dead at his love ranch brothel west of Las Vegas Dennis Hof had just celebrated his seventy second birthday. 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Risk: An Economist Walks Into a Brothel. Allison Schrager

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Risk: An Economist Walks Into a Brothel. Allison Schrager

"We've been on a little summer break and we'll be back with fresh episode starting next week but this week we're republishing an episode on on risk that you did. Jim and i hope you enjoy the show yeah. That was a fun episode richard. I think you were in california or something when we did this. This interview but allison is a great gas with really <hes> fresh perspective unthinking about risk as we try to make ourselves better richard. You and i both listened to a lot other podcast and you heard something recently. You think we might shamelessly copied. Yes jim. I think that we could do a better job of getting more people to listen to it was so i'm listening to other podcasts to see what they do. You know borrow some of their marketing techniques. Exactly this is a pretty good example from a british show called f._t. Not politics thank you for joining and if you find yourself liking this episode of f._t._e. Politics and subscribe through all the channels to receive it every sunday morning. We also so do like a good positive review. We'll look for more examples of things we can shamelessly imitate in the coming weeks but now onto this week show which is about risk risk and economist walks into a brothel alison schrager. You take risks to get what you want out of life life. You're never gonna get you want without taking risks in your career in your personal life. There's always risks taking we are much more likely to have a risk. Oh well taking a risk because it brings us where we want. Our show is about fixes yeah how to make the world a better place. How do we fix it fix that so jim i was away last week. Finishing got my vacation in california and you got to disobey risky behavior. Well not risk. Take my me exactly although as you know i've broken a few bones loans various sports but i was looking at risks taken by others including servers at hawaii horse breeders and kentucky paparazzi razzi targets in new york and yes sex workers at a legal brothel in nevada. You took a walk through risks speaking with an economist retirement. I'm an expert about some vital lessons in life from hedging leverage and insurance. Our guest is alison schrager traeger an economist and journalist. She's the founder of life cycle. Finance partners of risk advisory firm and writing has appeared in courts wired the the economist businessweek and other fine publications and her new book is called an economist walks into a brothel and other unexpected places is to understand risk welcomed. How do we fix it now. It's hard to resist opening with the chapter that gives your book. It's titled alison so tell us a little bit about what you learned. At the moonlite bunny ranch in nevada well. I mean anyone's gonna a lot in a brothel about many things but but i went there to learn ocean skills because they have a fairly extensive negotiation training program to teach the women how to every transaction there's negotiated and while i was there. She's shocked how much money they charged especially. I'd done some writing on sex work in the past and it was just like many multiples higher than what sex workers charge elsewhere for similar quality services so i i was really just intrigued by this sort of people go to the brothel and for the reasons they do and i discovered ever it was a risk story and i discovered that there is this huge markup that customers pay for what they see is a risk free experience and not only that horrifies a lot of other people that the women have to give fifty percent of their earnings to the brothel so that seems unfair on its face but they for them they make the calculation. That's a good deal exactly and what's interesting is that you know you're especially when it was dennis. Hof who was alive people saw this off was the legendary founder of the chain of legal brothels in nevada and who kinda revolutionize the business right he did and here's a very intr- he was very proudly would call himself a pimp but he was reclaimed even say we claiming the term <hes> and it really was reclaiming the term because when i think of pimp i oh i think of someone forcing women into real already a male or female sex workers into very risky situations they bear all the risk you know either violent customers rumors or getting caught by the police and then take all the return medina's hof did something quite different is value add west safety that fifty percent then represented that these women can do their work safely. They don't have to worry about being caught by police. They don't have to worry about risk. Violence from customers and customers on the other hand also pay the premium and that spread is where he makes his money is actually providing a value out of safety for both the workers and their clients. It's it's a good deal because it's less risky. How's it less risky well. It's less risky for the customers because think about it if you hire a sex worker online there's a lot of risk involved. It could be i was. I was just reading that. They're now using a._i. If you contact a sex worker online you could be talking to a bo who actually is law enforcement so that's a serious risk you don't or or even if you do end up with a legitimate sex worker you could get caught. I mean think of eliot spitzer or robert kraft. I mean this is a higher situation or even. Just something more unsavory the the the <hes> provider could you up. They could blackmail you. I mean there's a lot of risk involved unit diseases in some cases <hes> and for the sex worker. There's even even more risk. I mean they also are subject to arrest to violence <hes> they have much higher rates of homicide than other women now and the reason you went to nevada is it's one of the few places in america where in certain counties these brothels are actually legal. Oh yes they are licensed in very tightly regulated. I want to go through a few terms that people her but that you can help us learn a little bit more. We're about so let's start with the concept of heggie the process of managing risk either number down and i want you to tell the story of david bowie. All all right so hedging is simply. It sounds so simple but it's actually quite technical which is taking less risk you know in finance you have something called a risk free asset and and then you have a risky asset so it could be a treasury bond and stock portfolio and finding how much of your portfolio percentage wise goes in each is a hedge move out out of stocks into something less risky so there's positive hedge and there's a negative hedge and a negative hedges just leverage and everything we're going to talk about. Today is everything people do in wall street just in really complicated combinations nations so david bowie was started his career exactly unexpectedly cad kind of a head for these concept exactly he was a seventeen eighteen eighteen year old struggling musician in london and he got his record deal and normally when you get a record deal they give you an events in exchange. They pretty much own all your music royalties so tong takes off and makes hundreds of millions of dollars. The record company keeps all the money and that's where he musicians complain. They're poor and you've heard this story a million times in the music business and it sounds it's horribly unfair but it's actually decent risk transaction because most of these people they signed are not gonna make any money but they still keep their advance so the record companies companies offensively taking a risk on you. This pile of money odds are you're royalties are worthless anyway be still keep that money but that odd person becomes david bowie in those royalties caesar worth a ton in the record company gets the upside so but david bowie even when he was young guy completely unknown gets his record deal. Most kids would be psyched liked especially to get a big chunk of money he was like no. I always want to own my music so we took a much smaller advance so he could retain his royalties. Effectively a negative hetch it turned out to be a really good bet because he just david bowie but then fast forward a couple of decades later this is late forties early fifties and and <hes> it's about the days napster is coming along and transforming. People didn't know what it would mean for the music industry but he was starting to think. I'm not sure these royalties are gonna be worth so so much anymore. <hes> it looks he said he had amazing foresight and this is it early days of napster. He's like music. Industry is going to change royalties are going to be worth what they used was also on older artists who probably wasn't that likely to have another space oddity or jean genie so he was starting to think well. Maybe i could do something with these royalties royalties and so he met this banker david pullman who worked in mortgage securitization so he's like we could secure ties your royalties so what they did is they turned his music royalties and they took this new release in us as an excuse into a bonds so effectively then he's ended up selling his royalties though they still technically retained ownership of them in took the opposite bette all these years later so he hedged later took a negative hegemony was young which is what you should do and then less risk when he was older took a smaller share of a more certain kind of income. We took them upfront payment. He got fifty million dollars and then i think it was prudential owned his royalties for like ten or fifteen years. That's great now. Let's talk about the concept of insurance and you have a wonderful example here. Someone who works as a professional the jition you know hedging is normally very intuitive right. If you take less risk you get less reward downside. It's all very simple but insurance. Does something really really amazing and i think magical just y spoke to magician. Which is you get rid of the downside but you keep all the upside in the way that happens the markets. Is you pay someone and they take on that downside risk for you but that's only one way you can do it. I mean insurance can mean any time you have this contingency plan in case something happens so with belinda sinclair the magician. It's this huge risk that tricks can go wrong and which happens more than we in the audience recognize time. People are always very interested in. How'd you do that. How do you get the trick to work. I think a much more interesting question to ask magicians. How did you save a trick because you know that is actually a lot more interesting and also takes a lot more skill and also because that's their insurance. Their half is like if a trick goes wrong. Can i save because once you lose trust to the audience you've lost everything. So how does she do it well. She is so attuned to what we're doing. She invests a lot and making sure that we truster that are is go where to she wants end because she'll do little things like she was telling me how she does a lot of card tricks and you have to find the card and sometimes she's she's like. I don't know what card this is. Always say things like take a look at the deck and let's just make sure your car is still there and so but we trust her because she's i mean if you go to her show. She builds up a lot of trust to the point. We are like oh here's michael. Oh you know and the insurance she puts in the time build up that trust and giving yourself some outs in case something goes off the rails where the audience won't necessarily won't even. I know that that wasn't part of the plan and very intense concentration and being very attuned to you. Which is i mean. I i've worked with magicians before and i found that a lot <hes> not belinda have a lot of background as con artists because <hes> it's so much about manipulating people is playing on their needs and i also work in the financial business so next concept diversification and for this one we're going to travel to versailles why not the french palace but a region of kentucky yes so we're talking about the three chimneys chimneys stud farm and this is the business when there's a winning racehorse is breeding future. Hopefully winning racehorses and people invest insane amounts of money and there's a lot of money instead fees. I mean this is where the money is. I mean it's not in winning races. I mean i the i saw a couple of horses breed. I saw got runner and then later. I went to another horse and met warfront. Who's getting two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a session gunrunner. I think at that point was getting settled the opposite lissette of your previous visit to nevada. I never thought of it that way but yeah i actually is considering. I started the book in a brothel probably the most sexual chapter yeah i mean it was it was graphic. I mean obviously didn't see that at the brothel. I just talking business with people you know. It's all hanging out at the stud farms so this rather graphic thing. I saw doc you know when i saw it was going to cost seventy thousand he's going to do that. Maybe three times a day every day. He might breed seven hundred times a season. So where's the risk. That sounds like a pretty good business to be well. Here's the thing is you wanna make a horse. That's a good racer. You wanna bring together these very particular the characteristics. It's like building a portfolio. You want perfect. Diversification is one stocks up the others down but the thing is about horse breeding it is when you read a horse you sell after one year you don't read it to race and no one knows how to racehorse is going to be after years not racing yet. They only know who their parents are. So the fact that the whole breeding industry effectively sells the horse at one year means. The only thing you really know. Parents are so that means. There's this huge premium amy on a very small pool of desirable sires when you're doing when you're taking these two stars together is you bring together a bunch of freaky characteristics and you know the odds. Odds are good. You're gonna end up in the lower tail and horse that just can't race at all but there's a there's a tale chance that you might end up in that really good secretary at category but if if you just want to have a more predictable rate of return you'd be better off in terms of racing you would probably diversify the gene pool more pay less for a star studded and just be more in the center of the distribution tribulation and have a horse the solid waste and career so diversification there means a more dependable kind of middle of the road strategy as opposed was to hoping that your way out on one end of this district. It's like buying a single stock like buying facebook amazon versus buying an index fund right so now idiosyncratic versus systematic risk. I want you to tell us about your nights stalking celebrities yes so it turns alad right near as eugene hadid so i would always see the paparazzi looking for her and i figured there must be story there so it turns out if you think about it. They had a very complex risk lives because the odds that they get that money shot in any given day is so unpredictable in any given year that they face a a large amount of what we call idiosyncratic risk which is risk. That's individual to stock that will go up and down not related to other stocks and so each individual popper also bears a lot of inducing credit risk like the risks that this is going to be the day or they even if they're all taking that picture i'm gonna get the one where the head is turned just so everyone is gonna wanna run that picture because because you know what makes a good shot is actually a lot more technical than people realize and so the way you deal with idiosyncratic risk in financial markets as you diversify. That's i told an index fund you can completely eliminate idiosyncratic risk. If you own enough stocks interns at the paparazzi do something very similar and that they form these alliances of other paparazzi oh and they shared tips and sometimes they work in teams and they share royalties or just sometimes just tips the problem. Is you have a lot more money. Exclusives shots you always had this incentive to withhold a tip and often they do so these alliances are very unstable and they're always falling apart so they all kind of hate each other hum kind of stressful being out with them because there's a lot of bad history amongst all of them and this isn't even the worst of it. That's always been true now. They're facing a much more more difficult where something to some degree everyone faces which is systematic risk which is the risk affects the whole system because in like the odds mid dots there was what they call and this is the technical name not something i made up called the paparazzi goldrush which was like the heyday of paris hilton lindsay lohan where the perhaps apps would get out like fifteen thousand dollars for picture of celebrity getting coffee what we used to be fifteen thousand might be like five and the difference is the decline line of newsstand magazines and the rise of people get in there celebrity news online as the magazine's wanted more pictures for less money. They just got squeezed. I right so let's talk about big wave services another place that you went you went to the the north shore of hawaii famous origin origins zone of really intense big wave surfing and you use that to explain the idea of leverage and one of the points he made. I thought was really interesting is sometimes a new technology will allow people give them an opportunity to lever up their risks so let's talk about how the invention of the jet ski or the use of the jet skiing surfing changed surfing. Yes technology is normally intended to make us safer but originally when jetskis skis were introduced to surfing <hes> they were used as like insurance if you're in the water and you wipe out jet skis there to rescue. You and it's really saved a lot of lives as often. These waves are so big that if you wipe out on one even before you can as soon as you come up for air. There's another big wave pushing you thirty three or four times. You could be killed exactly exactly or i mean you just didn't really like tents water really far out to sea so the fact someone can just so supine a jet ski and pick you up is a real game changer and it really was and obviously obviously that emboldens people to take more risks feel safer but even more than that was you know there's only so human body can only <hes> is only so strong in bigger waves travel faster than smaller waves so there was always a limit on the size of wave a human capital out on because you need to get your surfboard moving forward at at more or less the same speed as the way in order to be able to catch that wave stand exactly so you couldn't serve more than thirty maybe forty foot wave but then with jet skis. He's laird hamilton and his friends. I started realizing oh we can use adjusts to push us on that big way. They'd have a rope and they would tow the effort and the jet ski would veer off and not go down the face of the way exactly now people are surfing eighty foot waves so it's only do they feel safer but they actually effectively taking leverage. This is how like jetskis a lot like a stock option which is also insurance can also be flipped around to take more leverage and so the surfers are taking more risk and they're not just heedlessly mostly saying. Let's go take a bunch of risk. They actually think pretty seriously about it. Yeah i actually <hes> where i met all these people's went to a big wave surfer risk conference in hawaii and and you know being a retirement economists have into a lot of risk conferences in my time but <hes> and it was in some ways like a lot like it we were in a windowless conference room <hes> looking at power points points with lots of numbers on it <hes> because said they're quite nerdy about even learning how to find the right way <hes> and yet they are having big debates. It's not only about different techniques. They can do to take less risk but also having the same debates. We're having in finance right now which is about responsibility and when you take these huge risks risks and you pose risks to others where does responsibility light. Should we depend on individuals to police themselves. That's never realistic because as you were saying earlier often when you get a community of people who are distinguishing themselves by taking bigger and bigger risks you know people sometimes lose sight. Is it realistic to let individuals have to manage themselves selves or is there some external force that should regulate them and what do you think i think it's a combination of all of them. I don't think we should let people off the hook but i think there are reasons why people take too much risk and particularly don't account for the rest they're posing to others so if somebody gets in one of those big waves enabled by a jet ski and they really don't have the skills and they're more likely to wipe out somebody's gonna zoom in there and and try to rescue them in a very dangerous situation also their diverting rescue resources from someone who really does belong there or it's just traumatic for everyone if someone dies this is how do we fix it. Richard was away when we recorded this interview but through some magical distortion of the space time continuum he'll be back for our joint conversation at the end of the show. Were speaking with economist alison in schrager about risk. Let's talk a little bit about solutions. I think the whole show has touched on how people think about risk and helping us in our lives think about risk but it it's easy to assume that the point of studying risk is to minimize it but usually the real question is. How do i take smarter risks. How can we do that in our personal. Personal lives well. I think i go through as it hedging and insurance diversification. Which is all anyone's ever doing wall street and all any anytime someone's giving you financial advice. They're doing one of those things. You take risks to get what you want out of life. You're never gonna get what you want without taking risks in your career in your personal life. There's always risks for taking book. We're much more likely to have a risk. Oh well for taking a risk because it brings us what we want so if we're just very thoughtful in every time we take arrested like well. What is the best case scenario. Is something actually one. Is this a risk worth. Taking the risk will work out is much higher. You say that most the people have a hard time thinking probabilistically. We overemphasize some risk and we tend to ignore others. How do people do this again. You kind of in their everyday lives well. I think that people get a bad wrap when it comes to understanding risk very popular to say people are hopeless understanding risk but i don't think that's true at all. I i think what the research shows in psychology. Is that people we were. We are evolved to take risk. Obviously being primitive man was a very risky situation surviving driving <hes> most of human history people lived with unthinkable risks but we've evolved to think about risk and very particular environments. The research shows that if you think in terms of natural frequencies instead of probabilities that people actually make very sensible intuitive risk decisions and that's just instead of saying. There's a one percent chance to say. There's there's a one in one hundred chance in just reframing risk in those terms seems to make a huge difference with behavior. Thank you alison schrager. Thank you richard. We took a little bit of a risk on this episode for going our usual format of jointly interviewing our guests since you were away and bravely went it alone something we've done once or twice before. How do you think it worked out. Yeah worked pretty. Well jim. You did a good job on your own and one and one of the things i liked was how you walk walk through with allison. Some of the basics of of investing you know we all deal with risk in our life. Joyce's and finance sounds incredibly complicated and i think many of us have glaze over and avoid the money pages of our favorite new sites but the principles of investment often wrist rests on some surprisingly simple and basic concepts such as diversification nation hedging leverage and insurance normally. You're the guy who is more up to speed on the financial elements of you've of life and we've done a lot of shows on that. It's something you've worked on a lot in your career on the other hand. I'm really interested in all these areas of non on financial risk you know i used to rock climber and i do a lot of stupid dangerous sports and <hes> and so i've spent a lot of time thinking about how people calculate risk and it's interesting in the point of allison's book is how many similarities there are between the tactics that a a surfer might take or are other people involved in activities. We don't usually connect to plan your retirement portfolio but i thought one of the most interesting interesting parts of the interview one allison talked about those surfers nerdy way spending days in a windowless room room talking about very technical aspects of risk yes and having spent a lot of time with people who do various kinds of extreme sports art you know they're not ignoring risks and they take them very seriously and they plan for them very carefully but don't always believe them when they say they've got it all aw figured out you know i recently watched the movie the oscar winning documentary the wall about eric on hold the climber who climbed el capitain tan the most dramatic sheer cliff in north america without any ropes at all and you know it's easy to say oh well. He's such a good climber. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's mapped it all out. It keeps a journal but in fact when you watch the movie you see the guys on his own film crew turning away. They can't even watch watch it because they're expert climbers themselves. They know how close he is to the line <hes> so i think that as much as these concepts risked are rooted in some fundamental principles we can also habituate ourselves to risk and get used to taking more risk if we're in a culture that rewards lords risk-taking we all kind of creep towards a riskier and riskier behavior which you saw in the financial crisis and we'll have a link to allison's book on our website. How do we fix it dot me. I'm richard davies. Jim eggs and this is how do we fix it produced by miranda shaffer and music by i- loo- stravinsky were production of davies content. We make digital audio for companies and nonprofits. If you wanna turn your ideas into exciting audio than look at our website davies content dot com and let me living listening. Let me interrupt your spiel for a second richard i want you've been working on some pretty interesting inside projects with davies content. You have a minute to just to talk about a couple of them. Yeah <hes> one of the side projects we've been working on is with the international organization sation from talking about the personal stories of migrants and refugees. The show is called a way home together. We're going to be launching with a of well known leadership company podcast shortly about some of the lessons that c. e. O.'s learn on the path to leadership success and we've also been making aching podcasts with one day university and haggerty insurance on plastic cars so it's been a path full of variety one other podcast that just launched a couple of weeks together. We're pretty excited about served as consultants on is cross town with pat kiernan of new york one the local cable news channel here and it's a fascinating look every week into different people and ideas behind the changing face of new york city so that's some of the other projects from davies content but for now this is. How do we fix it. 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Episode 25 Mary Lynn from Kit Kat Ranch

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Episode 25 Mary Lynn from Kit Kat Ranch

"It's Daddy D if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all stolen. Hello Hello and happy feet holidays. My name is Alice little in. Im illegal sex worker at the world. Famous moonlite Bunny ranch located in Carson city. Eddie Nevada this week I have an amazingly wonderful lady hip-hopping across the road from the kit cat ranch. She is just full of southern charm. The most positive energy and is just such a vibrant and soul. I've got with me. Mary Lynn Alice. Hey I am so glad to have you here. Thank you look just radiant. You've you've got this beautiful red Christmas colored dress on and it just complimentary is so much. You're so sweet. Thank you so much lasso. How has your week been? It's been good. It's a little slow getting back into after Thanksgiving getting reading up for Christmas So we're doing okay. It's getting ready for some snow. Yes I was going to say for those. That aren't familiar millions with the area. We're located just thirty minutes away from Lake Tahoe. which is one of the largest freshwater lakes in America aca I mean? Where else do you get to see? Snow covered peaks and then have sand under your feet at the same time. It's special we'll have. You had a chance to spend any time up there I have. I enjoy Lake Tahoe a lot. It's I haven't been up there too much since it snowed. I'm I'm not not a fam- of driving in the snow and the ice it kind of scares the crap out of me like if it's knowing too much I'm gonna a stay in. I'M GONNA be like my dogs and you're like oh I could go outside or I could just not the window. Just look outside. It's all my God alone won't three of my crappy little chihuahuas. I opened it up. They see it. They stopped with a one little luxuries like And turn right back around run back over to their. But I'm like Oh turn Yup. It's not that important. Hold it. It's fine it'll melt jelly Pity good so. How long have you been out here now? I have only. I started working out here pretty soon after I moved to Nevada. I've been here since about may so So this is the first winter. This is my first Nevada winter. Welcome welcome and don't worry it's only gonNA get worse. We had the first little snowstorm. It was so early in October word. This year I was editon and came back on the plane. I remember like putting my hands against the pain and looking at like what is going on fine too soon too soon turned around. I WANNA get off. I want to go back to warm well being southern. I've never used snow chains or anything. I've never had the only time I've been in. A snowy environment is on purpose to ski in it. Or you're something fun that I leave. Afterwards I've never lived burst is going home one day after midnight and they had snow chains on and lend the cashiers working very sweet. Oh you can come back if you can't make it because I live in Virginia city which is up the hill full salary. It's a beautiful area. I almost moved to Virginia City when I first moved out here but snow so it took me A three hours and four tries up three different routes and I don't want this to make me sound dumb because it's it's a twenty minute trip one way so it's forty minute is in rarely. Only what two three ways three ways from the side from fifty and I tried and I ended up putting on my snow chains after midnight in the dark and like four inches of sue. Yeah so I got an hour putting on snowchains at this point I deputy Nevada in congratulations. You Have Been Christened and I've earned it. I'm still a little nervous. I think it's going to get worse by promise you. It doesn't get any worse than snow chains midnight. I mean I could get worse but that awesome nice. I little excitement I probably would have turned tail and just given up hope but we like well. It's fine I live here now until the snow I was. I was very close to just sitting there because I had warm coffee ahead of a warm blanket. And it's like their truck will come by anytime so a big strong man he just going to be like hi. Hello it's called please Angel Reliabi- rescue now. I didn't need it that night. So that's good. Oh Man Wolfson chains. Oh my you'd think in this job you're dealing more experience with the chance on tires. You know changing the I'm kidding of course but there's so many different fun things that we get to try and explorer. Have you ever gotten a chance to like lean into your kinky or side Personally you're in the business in the personally. I have A. It's pretty. I'm pretty naturally a little kinky and it's probably a switch thing I really like being dominated and taking over and but I also really like being the boss sales both they they have equal releases in different ways. They just and it's so nice to have that level of intimacy with a person that that you get to play and have a good time with and let me see what I can do this over yell at me to play with this so in in professionally. It's a little more of a learning because you know we're new to each other. It's not. They're not long term relationship. Sometimes although I do have some clients and I'm sure you do too that come back with. Oh yes lots of lots of repeat gas friends. Yeah so they Some would like to learn or it's maybe biting off a little too much more more than they can chew. Sometimes they When I come in and do everything yes how hanging party? The my favorite. My favorite is when somebody comes in with what I call the wheel. Barrel full of bucket lists and none of them go together like I want romantic kissing and pegging in orgy different countries. Something something put up my butt and could we go to dinner and I wanNA girlfriend experience but can you tell me up in which hands damned do that. But like let's have a few conversations and I find that for a first experience. It's better to pick one or or two things to focus on. Its have that kind of get to know you first experience and then we come back for the threesome. And then we can plan bondage agent. Then we can talk about preparing for pegging or other type exploration to make sure because sometimes just like with food or anything thing else that is so delicious and wonderful it looks really lovely and you take a bite and it's not what you thought. It was You back off of that. No I didn't actually want to be tied. Up and whipped chained him flogged turned upside down and then had my pinky toes set on fire badly. The bad my bad my bad like trust us when we say take your time and be genuine when it comes to sharing hearing what your experience level is with these things. Are you interested but have never tried. Is this something that you've done a dozen times. It's been now you want to take it to the next level. Giving us that background knowledge makes such a difference. Winning comes to being able to create not just a good experience for someone but the right rate experience also okay for a new friend not to know exactly what they want into come in and just say I'm interested. I've seen a whole bunch of stuff online line but I don't know so what I do know how me Ray. What do you know that that is what we are here for is to help? Set you up up on attorney. That's really going to lead to a really fulfilling experience emotionally as well as sexually terry whereas whereas sometimes we lead with pardon my French the wrong head you know blood flow distracted. All of a sudden the brain cells are working together. It's like hey if you've never had sex before maybe we start with one person before we do an eight team orgy I promise you. There's a reason why they call it. The first base second base third base like. Let's take our time. I'm an enjoy that rather than just taking all of our balls and throwing them pests the frigging home run away. A good example is a You know the premature ejaculation happens and one of my key. Advice is to just masturbate before your session and if you feel a little too excited Get that release several hours earlier in the day. I like when you wake up in the morning and you're like Oh God I'm I'm so excited. He's so excited. We're so excited you know it's almost something good to do before a major business meeting before it's yeah really good to classify to do well in business as jerk off ninety. I loved troubling before the meeting. You'll think clearer than everyone. Everyone else at the table. That's not wrong. That's probably a one hundred percent accurate. In fact I mean it makes sense. It's like anything anything else. It like that pressure builds up the want the need the desire for it and just gotTA scratch. That had ed come in for a morning session. Breakfast slow job. I don't know breakfast in blowjobs one of my favorites. Okay palming you you sound like breakfast and job historian with coffee and a nice Dick or wave enrich their over the room room service table. I love it so do I like who really wants to get out of bed. First thing in the morning especially sleet if youth to spend the night with the lady you wake up. You're a little girl. Warm and cuddly. Do you really WANNA go. Put your feet on the floor and go get breakfast. No Oh hit that button over get room service and I mean by the time we're done with round one food is arrived and after you're done eating it's time for around too because he's had enough time to kind of reset and then you can just roll that into like ordering lunch. elevensies will do it hard style. It's cool eleven. Eleven it because you have breakfast. Second Breakfast elevensies snack. Time T- dinner. I definitely challenge. I was the Hobbit in in a past life. I'm pretty sure 'cause I am all about like I eat like eleven times a day kilos. I'm always like Harry's on good yes. Berries cakes precious talking about food third waffle everything. So what's your perfect waffle. Describe it to me well. I don't really make waffles because I have extreme dietary restrictions so I put cheese and egg and sometimes I'll put bacon. But that's that's like the base is just cheese. Mostly like an Ozzy IAGO or Parmesan to make it like a crunchy breads. I I wrote anything into it with the well. meat-based meat-based eater. Hey notoriously thing my poor your body will digest anymore. I am what I eat and all I am is like skin and bones and meat so beautiful. I mean you were talking. Is it like the Queen over here like as many of our listeners know I always unlike sharing the saga of my big food allergy journey. I had my appendix out almost two years ago and ever since. Then it's like my body just randomly like Red Light. You can eat nothing green light you can eat the things but only for five minutes red light. You can't eat anything now. Yeah you think you think you like bread you think you like bread I You like bread. I Love Fred I yeah I know. Bread's good spreads will under your body doesn't like at the same time they must. I am so grateful for the fact that there are more gluten free options more wholefood thirty options. They're really starting inning to put a lot more out there in terms of inclusivity in me. It's not just in the food space. In terms of inclusivity. It really is is kind of spread everywhere when our country. Well we have an epidemic of these food allergies and autoimmune disorders orders. Going around so and then the technology that we have that helps us to provide for ourselves. These these days is just phenomenal. We can if we don't have the technology to find out why were allergic to something this year we might have it. Goodness knows we've got some fantastic doctors and scientists out there that are working on this stuff right now. It's it's wild. It's as if they find a problem. They solve it sounds. Yeah it's really really cool. Yeah yeah in like that goes for our guests to. We are food allergy friendly if you have uh uh shellfish allergy. If you're allergic to coffee heavens forbid like knock on wood. That never happens to anyone. I'd die without my coffee as I sit here like pretending like Sh- don't worry no one will take you from me. I'll never let you go. I'm allowed to have this here right even even with that like if somebody tells us. Hey I've got a shellfish allergy who worries all just avoid shellfish for the next forty eight to seventy two hours. We got you absolutely between the two of us. We probably know every single food allergy friendly restaurant within the area and say renewing Carson Jason City. And we've vetted them we know they're lean food sources. We are probably good resources for. It's true it's true. It's like you need to avoid me. I know some Vegan spots you need to avoid vegetables. I know some great real places that will even go so so far as to have a separate gluten free fire more. Those that have allergies awesome. Yeah it's nice the it's like a whole menu of option and Carson Valley has such a great. I mean it's just an agricultural wonderland basically we. We have grass fed beef all over the place. It's so nice because you drive past and you see them in their happy. Cows genuinely have like a ridiculous. Listen amount of acreage. Like they don't know the day they're going to die just like we do now. It's a lot of times a lot of the Times now. They just tapie the rendering right there in the field which I think is really interesting rather than loading Emma under trucks and hauling. A moth started to do a lot of really ethical. Always of handling things right. Like I'm a mini pig. Mom Her name is Wanda. She's my little princess but ice Salihi mean installation Bacon but I like to know the ethics behind what I'm saying. That's how ripe preorder my meat from like Benson farms at the beginning of the year. And give me half a cow half a pig five thousand chickens all your eggs and that's the way to do it. We have access to that right now. Now and it's the best for you and for the animals and I was gonna say with your food allergies. I imagine you are a wisdom the kitchen. Oh Oh I do yeah. I used to love making muffins and stuff and so put our heads together and find like a flower substitute. That isn't going to kill you. Are you able to do any knots or lagoons I do level flower. Like I'm like what have I. I have tons of flowers hours. But it's just it. It's complicated took it takes. I'll tell you dollars. Take some of the fascination and the thrill of of baking away for sure. Yeah because making his so much chemistry at a certain point. You're just happy if something comes together and you're like array and some hug that it resembles a pancake which I found one. That's not bad la- cantos something like that. They do with like flat like a non wheat flour flower. It's it's really tasty. So what sort of things do you enjoy doing in your downtime. Well I like to relax and go to hot springs and that's one of my favorite things I live here because there are hot springs here. The Carson hot springs a stay plus plus plus especially this time of year Loria so and then a another form of release I have is. I like to write a journal. Donald a lot as a child and then started writing short stories and really enjoyed that. And so with this job I AM looking into exploring how to express myself in writing in more of an erotic style. ooh kind kind like a ride glitterati. Yeah I'd like to test my own boundaries CONC- my own comfort level just to see how comfortable I am is like. Give me give me some examples here. What kind of boundaries have you pushed so far in your writing? I really like writing Kinky like Bedia Sim screaming pass gas but like fifty one plus shades of green. Not just the I think all of gray including honest. I've never read that book. I've never seen the movies. And I I don't know what how comparatively a good thing right very. DSM light and like he spanked enough. I is like the things that I Like one time I had a guy he came in and I was in the bathtub and had the shower close with awesome candles. So you could just see my silhouette and then so he was only able to watch all of them so he can only watch me and then I made him go and like tie ropes to the bed or something so I could tie them up later so then he had to go and wait in the room for me and then I tied him up and since the replay is another thing. I blindfolded. Manley put put scissors next to his ear. Sharp like the sound of it all. I love that the scissors smart like I've done like I like rubbed knives absolutely judy. Never scissors fuck. I love that I literally just like taking notes over here like yeah this is high. So that's the kind of if they like. I don't just folding action and didn't writing God that's so how I wrote it down first and then like made him crawl on all fours so it's like and and then in the paper I write like I'm of course I'm the goddess and obviously as the beaming. Look it up thank you so so. He's the beast and I'm taming the beast and so he's gotta crawl on all fours into the living room and of course I like literature and writing spanked him a few times with a book award. I don't think as back him than Tun. Never beaten someone with a book like my personal beckoned. List just got added to you tonight and I just sat on his back and read through to make sure I'd done everything on the list Took some pictures because we have a big mirror so I really liked what it looked like. We sit in on. The imagery of that is so intense like just delicate be purged. Just it's hot right in. It's it's one of those unique things that were else. Do you get to live that and get to be in that role in own that space in that energy like like. What else do you go for that right? So and it's nice to have new friends and lovers come in. Didn't want to be exploratory with you and go back and forth with writing the scripts of like. Oh is this too far for you. Would you like to do this. Do you like to do that. it's such a beauty of again making that connection and setting up an appointment being able to communicate back and forth with the written word ADDS a layer of seduction. It really does. It's a huge turn on to read in then be able to act things out. Guess 'cause it's like you're already putting intention behind your words like wouldn't you write something down. Its intention it's this is what I want to have happen by putting this in writing this will happen. I'm going to pay attention to it. Nurture it make it so and it's like oh you ought to have like the Kinky. BCSM session of your dreams will get him out of your head and get him on pain and then you get to like go from there and be like okay. So we're doing this and we're GONNA do this. Awesome this person. Listen this space. Have you thought about publishing these under under like Mary. Lynn Well I thought about Oh publishing a long time ago. Not Under Mary Lynn. Maybe that's an actual EXC- excellent idea because I was thinking of writing all of these raunchy stories under a man's name. Why because I was tired whenever I was younger guy told me the I told him that I wanted to do racy sexy stuff and I was like well probably just use a a male pseudonym and he's like are you that it's risque an I thought wow I now? I'm definitely not going to write under a man's name because I I would so I have to cover up my female like that's not a man you know plenty. Nineteen it's about to be twenty twenty. This was about ten years ago it was like two thousand new censure but they they vary. Lynn publishes her erotica novel. And I'm going to buy the first copy would sign it for you. L. S.. Thank you so much to do. Because it's like when when you're a New York Times bestseller it'd be like yes the also you should go for it. It's it's something you're passionate about. They have a talent for like gentlemen if you're looking to have like the literary van. DC of your dreams look no further. That's yeah that's a really hot cool. Oh my gosh. Are you excited for the New Year. I am excited for the New Year and everything that it can bring. I have no why dea what the winner holds for me but hopefully no more snow chains at midnight. I'm vigorous cross no more. No that won't happen again and I know that we'll we'll have plenty of friends and lovers come keep us warm and cozy all's winter so speaking of which how can people get a hold of you. I am Maryland at Kit. Kat Hat ranch dot com and you can find me on twitter at Very Mary Lynn. I love that that's super As to myself you can reach me Alice little at Bunny ranch dot com. Follow me on twitter at the Alice little or on instagram program. At the Alice little official you can also check out my website the Alice little dot com. Thank you all so much for listening and joining us. We hope that you have the most Mary of Holiday Seasons please do be sure to like subscribe on whatever listening platform you're on and don't forget had to check out our youtube channel to get a glimpse behind the scenes again. My name is Alice little. And we'll see you all next week

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Episode 24 Olivia Bentley from LoveRanch

BunnyRanch Podcast

27:48 min | 1 year ago

Episode 24 Olivia Bentley from LoveRanch

"Doughty D. if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all. Stolen Hello Hello Oh listeners and welcome back to another episode of the Bunny Ranch podcast. My name is Alice little in. I am illegal sex worker At the world famous Moonlite Bunny Ranch located here in Carson City Nevada. We're counting down the days till Christmas and we are so excited. Did to celebrate the holiday season this week. I have a very merry and bright guests all the way from the love ranch. The beautiful wonderful gorgeous incredible and amazing. Olivia Hello Woah. How you doing? I'm so good. How was your day? Then it's been fun. It's been fun so far than Enjoying my party's over the love ranch yes so keeping it spicy and warm. ooh Yes kissing a missile tower. Something of the sort for sure. Gosh I love the holiday season. It's something I look forward to every single year. Would you call yourself like a holiday each year kind of person definitely. I love the holidays. I've got some good holiday specials going on and it's just a it's a cuddly time ah warm and affectionate So talking of staying warm and affectionate. What are your favorite things to do during the winter? How do you relax this kind of reset and recharge I love to cuddle? I like to cut by the fire. I enjoy going to hot yoga. ooh that sounds really nice. It's a great recharge that I like to go to the SPA and get a nice stimulating massage. You know feel good. You gotTa Take Care of your body. It makes such a difference when you do. Yeah for sure. So Oh yeah just yesterday warm I'll go snowmobiling which is pretty wild and fine. Yes and that's one of the things we can do on out dates with guests. So if you're looking for something to do this winter season seriously going snowmobiling in Tahoe is like one of my top. Aw God top five favorite things I've ever ever done. It's so so much fun. Just kind of flip through the snow and the last place. I what to actually stop you right there at the peak and what's so nice is that they actually have hot chocolate waiting for you. So you get to wrap your hands around the muggy and warm up before Kinda hitting slopes again. That's nice. Yeah Yeah so You mentioned Yoga. How long have you been practicing for I've done hot yoga for a few years. Now I've lifted more. I've done a lot of lifting and then I recently started doing the hot yoga so that I can. I do the splits very flexible so it keeps me flexible limber which I appreciate shade but also you burn as many calories if you had ran for forty five minutes and I'll try to so it's nice to just mix is it up It's cool to in terms of fitness if you keep your body guessing so it doesn't know what's coming next that kind of interval style training really. Make sure sure that your body is always like Koha happening next and it's always nice and dynamically responsive it's true it's true. Yeah and I also like the meditative aspect of it a to me. That's a nice time to kind of train. Your train your mind to calm down a little bit and I like to work on my balance. It's he's a peaceful serene moment in a world which let's be honest. It's kind of chaotic food. We figure all throughout the day were constantly being assaulted by all these stressors and things that really just agitate us and get us kind of rumpled and uncomfortable and I feel like like when you take the time for yourself and self care via through cuddling yoga stretching hiking it really ends up being like an energetic recharge charge to you feel the effects so much longer after than just like you do yoga in the morning and it sets the tone for the whole day through. You think it's kind of the same way with sex. It's like okay. I love morning sucks. I do it all felt like it's true. It's a good way to get started. I'm stubborn about it. I'm always always teasing my regulars that are marring sex guys. Don't do it to me because I'm also I'm naturally a night owl. I mean we. Of course I have my morning appointments and it's percolating it is it's like you know it's your coffee it is i. I like that analogy like I almost feel like orgasm. Coffee should be like a thing like have to have your sex and then just let me finish you know whatever. Yeah yeah that'd be so hot. Why not and I did when I was married to? Yes it's so interesting I feel like like back after sex for me. There's like this moment of afterglow before the energy rush words just like you almost feel suspended in time lake. Everything's just quiet and soft van. Yes it's just like this serenity movement and I just. I really really liked pausing in appreciating that in the kind of lighting that so-called away in before letting energy all the way through your like all right yeah MHM moment. We have to sit back and appreciate like did we just we did like yes Trash Josh. It's an achievement and I like to laugh too I love to laugh and if you can mix that with orgasms than you know and some good food ah okay. Let's talk food. We're like we are known for this on the PODCASTS. Like food time. Do you cook. Do you go out out to eat. What are we? What are we eating? Well I do variety I cook a lot in some doing. The Kito is really Lee. Really good for me. I'm digging Akito but I've done the Vegan before but I'm really appreciative of meat so I bought a smoker. Yeah well I've been smoking Elk and Bison and Turkey. I do a lot of white meat and I. We do a lot of fish but a lot of Sushi I have a family member who is a Sushi chef so we envious so we get together. We have good family time induce Sushi. So yeah that sounds like so much fun. I am such of Foodie. I've been eating a crazy amount of Turkey lately. I've been doing like flaxseed. Turkey burgers with a little bit of Feta Cheese and chopped Calin side and like this southwestern seasoning and it's hormones Obama'd I tried Pokey Dokey for the first time the the rates spot that is it's one of the newest restaurants here in Carson city. And it's it's incredible. I Love Bogey Bulls zeal all for clean meal. It is literally consent and customize it so you can add rice if you want you can add lettuce instead if you prefer. They'll just toss also crazy amount of protein on there. It was like two dollars hundred like older set. Another giant heaping pile of salmon too. You're already heaping pile of Salmon I'm I'm pretty much a cat when it comes to like Sushi is like I just want a pile of raw fish in front of my face and I'm just like AAC go time. Yeah I dig it to. Have you done any sort of travelling at all. Yeah I've done a lot of traveling I'm building a vacation rental in Costa Rica. Nice there you go so I started going there really digging that scene. I love the lifestyle really healthy lifestyle. Mediterranean it's beautiful. It's gorgeous and I WANNA say they call let a blue zone in the sense that the people there live longer and have less stress in their day to day lives that just came out in recent in in their news I read their news and their life expectancy has increased. It's amazing it's incredible. Just how potent lowering. Your stress stress level is and. There's so many little things that you can do to help. Bring that stress down. Yeah you have to. Because life is life life is going to happen but how you react to the stress Gazza problem. Yeah you can't get rid of problems always sent you can't how maneuver maneuver like me. When I sit down to have a good meal? That's a moment for me to like sit there and be mindful and enjoy the flavors and the tastes. I kind of reflect on the fact that I'm energizing myself again. I like to compare sex and food because I feel like a good encounter is kind of like a seven course meal where you start with the foreplay. It's like soft and Kinda just gives you a gentle taste and now we're moving into like probably like soup course and we're getting some clothing often like it's getting a little hotter like ooh let slow down. Let's it's like be a little bit similarly and like maybe enjoy appetizer isn't it just like goes all the way through to like entree and dessert and that's seconds. Actually so I have to negotiate with me. I have a menu. That's awesome. Yeah I've come up with like some really creative fun on you know names for for the axe And then you can check out my menu but it starts out with. Appetizers was onscreen. Core that Zonta onto desserts. Oh my God that is amazing seaweed that was like Earth brainwaves. Speaking did not know that that she was all the questions. I don't know about that. But Oh my gosh. Though God God save third down in the kitchen. You take care of your body. You stretch loved to cuddle just such a well rounded and interesting person so outside of Costa Rica over Robert. Where else have you traveled till I've done COSMO Mexico Key West I've done the states from Newark New Jersey to New York City all over California Pebble Beach. La Gas there you go. I just did a trip to South Beach Florida and that was interesting there. It's a pretty healthy community. I enjoyed it. Everybody's he's outside and they're very active A lot of healthy active people outside riding their bikes and jog. Yes I was GONNA say. You see those bikes everywhere everybody. He is constantly moving it. I used to live in New York so it reminds me of that same energy where everybody is active moving in it like contributes to the entire feeling of the area I feel like it kind of energizes and just infuses the space to create this really awesome atmosphere It was really cool a lot. I was like really handsome. Gay Couples Mel's like it reminded me of Costa Rica actually made me Miss Costa Rico because of all the bright art deco buildings You could. There was an influence of European to with the cafes. But a lot of Cuban food so we partake in that good And then then it was kind of cool to this is a healthy spin on drinking. Okay so I drink on occasion and I drink socially and so we went out for a drink and and I usually do a gin and tonic. So are you familiar with charcoal L.. Yeah it's a detox. They're putting it in in artisan drinks. Now I was having happened with dinner. That's really cute. Yeah helps loom with like. You're not gonNA hang over the detox so you're detoxing while you drink that's awesome I'll call it a boot teeny Or come booed champagne. I guess or come Khumbu chain something like that. I try to once years ago. But it's like half champagne half Kombucha. I really like it with like the rose. Flavored favored Kombucha. Because that'll add a tiny little bit of rose water just hoped beautiful fragrant and nice and I mean I I suppose you could do it with the different alcohol vodka instead of champagne but I kind of like the Pope Elise and you're already a little bit a little bit Kazeem so I feel like it adds it adds something there and again it energizes you. It fills you up and you just you feel so good afterwards all the appropriate It's like we're all about like healthy better living through good food good sex relaxation. And cuddles like age Raleigh. I I feel like Gosh this. This space is just so unique in the sense that we he meet people from all over the world gets to have some of the craziest experiences. People always want to know what really like goes down at the Bunny ranch. Do you have sunny spicy stories that you're gonNA share. Oh my Gosh I have had so many amazing experiences. It from really romantic dreamy like out dates to some fetish experiences that that makes me feel like this is a rock and enroll lifestyle. Yes okay crazy Spanish thing go okay. Well okay so a fellow came in yesterday. I'll this is like recent uh-huh go well. There's a lot of stories though. We'll start so yesterday. A fellow came in from Lake Tahoe and he's had turned earn thirty four for his birthday so he wanted to partake in some like extreme like oral fetish editing. As and tell me that you love me. Sorry but I'm yes we we had a really good time and he's coming back right. Yeah he was a really cool guy that was fed it love it. We hired someone. ooh That's so much fun. I get so much pleasure from getting to explore something like that. 'cause you figure like when they're really into it again again that energy it radiates off of them fills the space and I feel like it almost gives us something to work with in response to be like. ooh Yes like. You're enjoying in yourself. which leads me to really lean into it and enjoy myself tale like do you get that? Like the whole like getting turned on because someone else's turned on. Yeah I mean yeah for sure I mean that's why I'm here. It's it's the it's funny because to us. It seems so normal but a lot of people are like mind blown right eight now because I guess Persian style of pleasure from other people's pleasure actually quite rare so we're kind of lucky he working. I feel like I'm very proud at my abilities. Please a man and to please a woman yes I'm not. It certainly are considered an asset. So it's been quite an experience. I don't regret a day of all of these wild eld and crazy experiences in the sex industry so that yeah but I've had like okay. I've done skydiving. I mean we've done some wild stuff. I've gone down to Vegas with some guys Las Vegas. I don't know I'm I'm GonNa like Oh my God like you would have to carry me kicking and screaming onto the damn plate like meditate. I really did. Yeah had to meditate meditate up just thinking it was something we agreed to do only league leading. I'm I'm petrified of heights and then we did it again. We did it twice this regular like six years. All right okay. Just saying you've got more balls than I do you know like why would I want to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. I'm comfortable in my chair. I'll take the plane down. Thank you and it's one of those things too that this is the beauty of building a connection and a relationship with the lady that's here long-term because you are able to plan you're able to figure out what kind of things first we want to accomplish together like jumping out of airplanes and going on helicopter tours. Let's let's just amazing. Yeah and hiking. We've done red rock hiking uh-huh so if you're a fitness buff Some people want to get out of the city but even just like chore. Romantic Times here. Going over to Adele's els and having a nice dinner my love to do deep tissue massage work. So I'll work on the gentleman. Gez which some of my regulars that can get down from Tahoe or get over from Reno or even Carson they love that yes e Yes okay so after work I also do massage. And there's this awful stereotype type of people are like. Oh you're a girl. You must be so delicate. You can't get in there and fix my back like actually we we. We are very talented with our with our many many years of experience you know. Yeah Oh my Gosh I. I love deep tissue tissue massage again. It's a part of that release and I feel like when you take the time. Come into a space like this and use it four that kind of self care space. It's so so important. There's just so many different ways to release. Relax let go of stress and really take care of yourself. And I don't know I feel like cuddling is probably one of the most underrated things here at the ranch. You mentioned earlier that you really like cuddling but like what benefits have you seen from it. Well I think it can calm you down a bit and warm you up. I think sometimes sometimes in parties gentlemen liked to start that way That's the how the foreplay might begin. Because it's calming and and it Kinda sets the tone for the central beginnings and then they're not getting over-excited food. It's true known. I mean you've got I feel like when someone in their energy level is like in eleven teen with anxiety and nerve leave now to get like that eleven brought down to a two year. We start going. You know three four and low and you know oh it happens earlier than what she want. We keep going around chill like around two three four. That's how we do here but yeah yeah and then afterwards it's always nice afterwards. You know after that orgasm you're relaxing you're getting to know each other That is a point point which people really open up and have some intimate conversations. I feel like it's just as intimate as the sex pillow. Talk in the conversations are very healthy too. I mean I think at that point. You know in the person's like very comfortable and open It's healthy too because I feel like so many people especially men that they don't give themselves permission to be vulnerable to open up to share at that like really dramatic level where they're bearing their souls essentially. Yeah yeah very I mean I have stories. I've secrets I have. You know what I mean. I've had I've had some intense moments with people and I'm just grateful and flattered that they could let go. Yes and just be. In that moment it's troughs and and walk away and and be happy that they spent that time with me You figure there's almost a a historical precedent there to sex ex-workers is secret keepers. These safe folks throughout history throughout society you figure we were the concert to kings back in the day for a the reason. There's such a real need for that emotional release in society in. It's such a shame that so many people stigmatized or go just sex lake no talk just sack meaningful. Energies exchanged changed its love. It's compassion at the most basic level skin to skin where you're able to feel the other person's heartbeat like like that's like you said it's energy needs raw magic and it can be. I mean but you know what I mean I catered to to Party party is to. I mean you know not everybody. Some people are wanting more and more intimate experience and they want somebody they can see ongoingly and then some people want to just be wild The bucket she's yes and I like that too. That's fun idea. Like what would you like the biggest Bucket lists thing that people request threesome That's a big one threesomes group sex. Some certain oral fetishes Right I I a lot of guys that want to try but stuff for the first time. They're like foot but it up there and I'm like yes. Thank thank you for being interested in exploring your body God gifted UA prostate please use it for orgasms your. It's a beautiful part of the body that we shouldn't be afraid to explore and again this is a safe space. And you have folks that are very experienced to explore it with yeah I think we're really comfortable. In knowing of the erogenous zones so we're not you know. We're not skittish no not like okay. Let's give everybody like a really good sex tip here. Like what's one erogenous zone that you think most people completely skip over in the rear end yeah please please folks get some coconut oil and play with play with it and touch it and and Masada massager. Yes yes in. There's so many nerve endings there. You figure it's one of the biggest muscles in the body and so it's very very natural that there's going to be all those nerve endings and I s and for men you know really get turned on when Alpha males that are very knowledgeable their stones including their rear. Come in and they're very comfortable. It's definitely a plus like if you're able to communicate communicate what turns you on. We're able to take that and build upon it to really create something unique and beautiful or wild building crazy insects the direction. You WanNa go like we definitely will win. It's a win. Win Is it is and I just feel like every chance. You're able to come and learn something about yourself. You grows a person and I think that's that's kind of the point of life is to enjoy ourselves as much as as possible. Why not lean into sexual pleasure till I get a lot of married couples to and I really enjoy calming them? I enjoy coming first timers when the girls really nervous and she's wanting to maybe perhaps over drink and I'm like no you know no. Let's let's chatted ended up. Let's do this because you don't. You don't need the liquid courage I mean if you want to start off with cheers or single drink by all means but you WANNA create remember you have like a blur and when I when I do an you see that satisfaction like for their anniversary for their birthday because because it's a special occasion I mean oftentimes Valentine's Day weekends really big for us with couples. It is oh my gosh really It feels meaningful. It feels good. It does and it made their fantasy. They don't get to come out and do things like this very often with sneak important. It's so who is coming to party with her for the whole of the me all seriousness. How do how do people connect to reach out with the book and Experience With You makes magic of them so you can email me at Olivia Bentley at love French dot net awesome the Internet goofball? kind of a big deal. Now absolutely beautiful too to if you are listening and curious as to why we're saying watching that's because we are also on Youtube make sure to check us out there and subscribe so you never miss an episode and also be sure to subscribe to this podcast on whatever listening platform you happen to be using. My Name is Alice little and you can reach me Alice little at Bunny ranch dot com or on twitter at the Alice little. I am also on Instagram at the Alice. Little official and I am on Youtube. YOUTUBE DOT COM backslash. Alice Little TV. Thank you all so so much for joining us for another episode of the Bunny Ranch podcast. Hopefully we'll be able to make your holiday season. Merry and bright. They're still so many many opportunities to come on out connect and have lots of fun and spread some Christmas cheer. We'll see you all next time aww.

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SMNTY Classics: How Much Is Virginity Worth?

Stuff Mom Never Told You

37:15 min | 1 year ago

SMNTY Classics: How Much Is Virginity Worth?

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Why are so many people into e sports? Next question aims to make sense of our chaotic complicated and ever changing changing world. One question. At a time I look forward to figuring this all out together. Listen to next question with Katie couric on the iheartradio APP Apple Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast this is Anne and Samantha. An walk into Steph never told you production of iheartradio house efforts so all right. Recently I made some news when it came out that he regularly takes his daughter to the doctor to have her hymen examined her hymen amen examined to make sure she's still a virgin intact. Yeah and first of all gross second of all gross Third of all. That's not even how it works. Food for Oil gross close. And we've talked about in a couple of episodes. We've done together our cultural hangups around virginity urgency. And this whole idea that it somehow makes you more pure innocent that it has some value right. Yeah and I think what I see is a backdated reference into which they did sell off tour young girls in their virginity and they're worth to bring Prosperity to a family which again gross and also we've gotten letters from listeners. who you feel judged that they are still virgins and so that's a part of the problem too like if you WANNA be Virgin? There's there's nothing wrong either way I guess as long as consent yeah It's just frustrating. It is to see that we still have all of with these ideas. Attached to this thing right was again. Negating what Sexuality is for women in the small part as well shaming women an and. They're such as well as some ownership. Yeah often by the father as we see with. Ti of someone's body and atonomy which is grossly Z.. Like I don't I don't know how I'll put that In such a misconception in such a fear mongering on young women and young ladies or those who have vaginas China's in general is such an absurd pressure to put on one as well as I just recently re watched parenthood and one the main characters lost her or had sex for the first time. I'd say that way. It's sex for the first time in her dad couldn't even look at our couldn't even talk to her and all of these things such weird conception of the fact that there has to be that it breaks relationships or breaks communication skills because she he did something that you didn't like and it was such a big deal. Yeah don't get me wrong. Having sex it does emotionally tie US sometimes to people in different people handle title it differently in different people. Connect with people differently when it comes to intimacy. We know this But it's such a weird level pressure and guilt built that the character the female teenage character it was was portraying that it does kinda relates to all of everyone else was like. Oh Wow is this. The Polish would feel that I should just guilty. My Dad's GonNa be mad at me. Yeah it's just the way we talk about it and if you think something like The scarlet letter right that all you go from pure to slutty. Like there's no the Madonna the Hor- no inbetween and I remember in college. I don't know what it was some kind of orientation and I was there with a friend who I've known since I was four. Three years old she and I went to the same college and The announcer asked. Who here is obstinate? And I panicked institute up because I didn't want people to judge me if they thought I'd had sex and just that level of is almost instinctive. Because I knew new some part of me knew the judgment I would get and that's what it was for single out people. Yeah and to make you feel shame. Yeah so this is something that I definitely want to return to In in a future episode. But in the meantime we do have this classic episode about Virginity for you so we hope you enjoy welcome to you stuff. Mom Never told you. From how Austin works DOT com. Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm caroline and I'm Kristin Kristin listen. I have noticed in the news that There's some young people doing something that I had never heard of before that have to do with texting no surprisingly well maybe it could be involved. But no I read about young people selling their virginity online. And I think this is is crazy town but when I looked at up when I looked back farther there were so many other instances of people doing this for various reasons The most recent pair were Katharina. Mig Leoni and Alex stepping off These were kids in their twenties selling their virginity. There was a woman. A couple years ago named Natalie Dylan although that was a pseudonym who was doing it for school The other two did it for to be in a movie like and get money and all the stuff so it's crazy to me like why why these young people which used to do this and it certainly at least in Natalie. Dylan's case lit up the blogs fear as to like you know people were just going going crazy over why she would do this that they didn't like that she was trying to tie it into feminism. They didn't Reno approve of her reasoning. And all this stuff so I thought are we should take a look at virginity auctions. And why the heck anyone would try to auction their virginity off in the first place and by auctioning off of virginity. It is essentially someone buying the chance to have sex with that person right for the very first time and which you know for anyone out there who has had Sex before a Lotta Times like the first time that's like you wouldn't. I would not pay the money. These people have paid to have that Sex Again Dan not to be. Tmi about I it's your first time you just don't it's not you're not experienced Also reading all this stuff about these virginity auctions and the reaction to the to it. It's incredible that. As in the era of fifty shades of grey array that virginity in a way is still a taboo. Yeah so but let's let's go. Let's let's start from the president work back a little bit. Let's talk about the The film in which Katharina and. What was the Fella's name Alex Katharina Alex were part of this documentary? Henry the whole thing is Kinda shady to me. Yeah we'll so there's this Australian director just incisively who came up with the idea for a documentary in which a man and a woman woman would each offer their virginity to the highest online bidder so he puts ads out seeking people puts a website up and he's adamant like an all of the business this week had a Q.. And A. With this guy. He's adamant that he's not just interested. In sex young people having sex young people being taken advantage of anything like that he he says that his main interest is in change and in documenting this whole hubbub he wanted to portray the changes that these the people are going through the entire time. And you know I'm I have the willies from just thinking about it because you but yeah I mean obviously like just incisively is smart knowing knowing what will get media attention if you make documentary called Virgins wanted then. Hey that's good job you're going to get some some easy. Pr We are on that but also the the fact that there is this assumption that heterosexual intercourse that. It's all very hetero normative terms as well. They're looking looking for a dude for her and A lady for him and the but the but the idea that having having intercourse once it changes you I think is also one of the reasons why virginity in a way is still this cultural taboo. How Boo myth? Huge thing that we just can't let go of but I feel like I'm getting ahead of myself. Well no you're exactly right and we will get into that but but I think it's important to point out how much cash these people raked in. Oh Yeah So the bidding ran from September to October and the pair hair were scheduled to lose their virginity in the air in an airplane to avoid prostitution laws of any country In about mid November. And I have no idea. I tried to google updates. I couldn't find any more recent updates you know. As of December but casuarinas top bidder was was a Japanese man going by the name Nat Su who offered seven hundred eighty thousand dollars. Alex's top better. This is a Russian man. Alex's top bidder was a Brazilian woman going by the name Ni-ni be who offered three grand. Yeah and that huge pay difference. Is that worth in quotes For male virginity versus female virginity is also something that will circle back to you because that also gets at the heart heart of you know the impact the major implications of the fact that we still talk about virginity so much and get so worked up about about virginity. which even you know you could like really isn't even a thing again? I keep getting ahead of myself because there's so much to talk about And Not surprisingly surprisingly Katharina has received more scrutiny than Alex. There was a pro their profiles of each of them and the one four Alex panned hit him assists. Kinda sad and depressed kid who wanted to have sex so that he could get more game more self confidence in wants to find love of where as Katerina is just being slut shamed left and right. Yeah yeah well. She said that she wanted to start an NGO and invest in a public housing project in her your home town in Brazil but even the director himself just incisively said he was skeptical of this to say like you know what if you're going to auction your virginity off. Who really cares? Like I don't know who cares what you do with the money. Honestly but CLEON DASKALAKIS WHO's an ex hockey player who runs net raffle dot dot org. which is a site that raises money for online? Charities pointed out that some charities might actually refused the money because he says this type of transaction is setting A dangerous precedent not to mention a call for global prostitution on a one time basis. Okay I think that that is a little bit overblown. I I think that's also it's missing the point. Yeah in a lot of ways And I think that we can get to that point a little bit more. When we talk about the two thousand nine case of Natalie totally Dylan which again is a pseudonym who that your announced on Howard? Stern's show along with Dennis. Hof who's the owner of the moonlite bunny ranch in Nevada that she was going to auction off her virginity to pay for her masters degree and family and marriage therapy and as part of a quote unquote sociological experiment experiment. Yeah she She posted a column in the daily Beast where she says that I wanted to study the public's response she said that she she was doing her upcoming thesis project on the value of virginity. And so that as a women's studies UNDERGRAD. She learned that the concept of virginity quote is just just a tool to keep the status quo intact. Deflowered is historically oppressive. Early European marriages begin with dowry in which a father would sell his virginal daughter to the man whose family could offer the most agricultural wealth. Dad's she says were basically their daughters pimps well and one thing though that is that is troubling about all that dowry analogy speaking of it as a relic of a bygone era is that hey guess what that stuff still exists. We aren't living in some kind of like post of feminist society where That does not still go on and even like India is One place where a a lot of times even now. Money is typically exchange between Families when couples are getting married. And a Lotta Times dowries have instill do equate many anytime. The households annual income So I'm just saying you know Dylan do a little bit of history work first but continue. Yeah well so she's basically saying like all right if if historically women have been you know quote Unquote pimped out by their fathers. What's to stop me from benefiting from the value that society places on my virginity? So she's basically saying that she wanted to turn her virginity quote into something that allows me to gain power our an opportunity from men so using something that you know whether or not she herself places any value on it. She knows that society does that men Indu and she wants to see how much money she can get from the sale of this quote unquote virtue. Well on her argument about Oh using this in a way that allows her to gain power and opportunity with men. Does Echo a lot of feminist arguments in favor of sex work saying. Hey you know what I can can I can strip. I can have sex for money. Just you know using being using the turn the tool of Patriarchy for my own benefit but the the whole thing of of using virginity as a commodity is troubling. Because it still doesn't that's different from just having Sex for money if that makes sense. It's it's the whole thing of perpetuating the mythology of virginity that is that is problematic to me and I'm not the only one who has found you know. Dylan's Dylan's thesis to be a little bit wonky. Yeah the whole Internet basically was like what's there was a slew of blog posts articles and everything written about this woman after her daily beast column in early. Two thousand nine Carry Harry Police over at the Huffington Post said that you know what Dylan is just proving what we already know. That virginity is still considered something of value and Polish holiest points out that the real problem to her is that we have someone who's willing to spend in Dylan's case almost four million dollars to sleep with her just just because no one else has. So why isn't there equal media attention about those men about the whole cultural perception of well. She's clean. She hasn't had any other man Dan or any other man's baby you know. I can verify that she's clean so to speak. Yeah the the whole thing that the backlash to is not a thing of oh well. She's selling the opportunity for someone to have sex with her. Know if she wants to go to the moonlite bunny ranch and have sex with someone for money. That's fine that's not. That's that's not the issue here Meghan Carpenter who used to work over at Jazz Abell wrote at the time that she was acknowledging the Patriarchal System but rather than working working to end it? She's accepting its terms and using it to make money which serves one person. It serves her in which case do do not try to and this is me now expounding on this. Don't you know use. Feminism is kind of a straw man for for your own little experiment experiment that you're that you're pulling off here right. Kate harding at Salon At the time had an interesting interesting take on it. She said that virginity isn't priceless. But it should be valueless. She says that objecting to the whole concept of putting a price on a young woman's virginity implies that I do you believe it's priceless. And so she said that objecting to Natalie Dylan's auction puts her up there with people who you know Support purity balls us The dances where a daughter. Pledges her chastity. Basically your father And so she says what I want is world in which there are no virginity auctions because there are no bidders because nobody fetish is a woman's purity or actually thinks of a sexually active woman as dirty and spoiled right and this is something that The implications are so huge for women versus men because for men. It's a stigma stigma if you more sigma if you have not had sex with someone You know just go back to the virgins. WanNa documentary you. You Know Alex. The Guy is portrayed as kind of. Oh he's so set someone bid so that he can finally have sex you know whereas for women it comes with having sex then comes with the additional burden of being stigmatized and one of the reasons why we wanted to title this episode. What is virginity worth is because it is a little bit of a twist title that it should not like Kate? Harding said I agree with that. It shouldn't and be not like worthless. Sounds like a throw. We should value our bodies and have bodily integrity. But I do agree that it should be valueless. Yeah you know now. It shouldn't be an issue of being so titillating right to a portion of population. It's okay so a recent study found that a great hair day makes you happier more confident but that same study also revealed that ninety five percent of women don't feel great about their hair. 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Rosewater collection is sulfate free pair of and free and die free. I actually worked in a place for a while that was very sensitive environmentally and we weren't allowed to use shampoos that had sulfate than so. That's something that I look for. Are these days and bonus. I love the way that my hair looks now. Well conquer the day with the Painting Rosewater Collection Butts. I mean that gets us into the whole conversation of. Why are we obsessed with virginity? What what what is the big deal about it? So Lauren Carpenter wrote a book called virginity loss and intimate portrait of first sexual experiences and she talks about about the etymology of virginity which entered the English language in the twelve hundreds and by thirteen ninety. We were speaking of virginity in in terms of keeping it versus losing it. Is this thing that we have from about the Twelfth Twelfth Century Onward Women's Physiology. AG This is important. Women's physiology was believed to allow for a more complete virginity than men ends because quote as carpenter writes. The female body was hollow and therefore or capable of both containing the divine and being sealed to exclude all other influences so for centuries A woman's virginity has been imbued with so many Different things as opposed to male virginity And she offers the example of a Popular Thirteenth Century Poem Hail maidenhead which describes Virginity as quote the one gift. Granted you from heaven give it away once and you will never recover another anyway like it so that was the thirteenth century version of what the whole giveaway. The giveaway ice cream samples look Milk cows the milk. Cow Dairy. Yeah and why. Why do we also equate like intercourse with house? How Lake somehow well? That's just weird. Yeah and this leads into the reformation during which time virginity was viewed basically as a stage. Girls Pass through on the way to marriage in the eighteenth century however there was the rise out of wedlock births which became a problem for the church so virginity became even more cherished and cold like during this time and then you know. We need to go into the Victorian era of sexual repression and what that did people's attitudes towards sex and cross gender relationships so in a way the what Honda Blanka we've interviewed before for the podcast. She wrote a book Virginity and untouched history in which she talks about how it really is more mythology van fact and it is something that has has been used as a tool to to you know. Make sure that women aren't causing too much trouble in society making those out of wedlock babies and I don't know enjoying themselves answers or something like that and considering all of that history. It really isn't an incredibly surprising. That only we you know a a couple of centuries post Victorian era. We are still kind of like we. Don't you know virginity is still this thing. The capital title the right well Jessica Valenti. Who's the founder of feminist and the author of the Purity Myth? How America's obsession with Virginia Virginity is hurting young? Women had a conversation with Tracy. Clark flory a writer over at Salon. All of that to say they had a conversation about virginity and Hana Blank's book doc came up. You know you mentioned vern virgin the end touch history in which she talks about. There's no actual standard medical definition of virginity. That it's completely Lee culturally constructed along those lines tracy. Clark flurry says it's often a really limiting version of sexuality that doesn't include certain types of intimacy that are pretty important right because Some people listening I think like I mean obviously like you are a virgin when you. You're no longer a virgin when you've had sex but that is one kind that's completely hetero normative construct one kind of penis and vagina action right like disavowing like any other kind of sexual contact that people can have right. So basically they're arguing like does that mean that gay people are always virgins forever and ever. Well I mean according to this very black and white idea of virginity that we have here that we're talking about apparently just a large portion of the population is very chaste. I think it's problematic to that. There is so much emphasis placed on penis and vagina intercourse. Where you know? We have young girls wanting to quote unquote protect this virginity and are doing other things that are very adult that still can have You know physical implications and are arguably as sexually intimate if not more so you know and same thing goes for guys to. I'm not saying the guys are left out of of this equation either but It has been more of an onus for for the women's right and I mean this we haven't even gotten into how you you can't even prove necessarily that someone is a virgin and that's what was going along with all of these virginity. Auctions was that the women had to go through medical exams to quote quote unquote proved that they had not had sex. But you can still break your hyman. If you have engaged in vigorous exercise you know inserting a Tampon. Upon like just because your hyman is not intact doesn't mean that you're not a virgin like there's all these other issues news in this right because we talked about this on a long ago podcast specifically dealing with hammonds. But it's not people imagine it as some kind of cellophane wrapper over our vagina when in fact it's more like a donut of tissue that simply with time whereas away so if you you are you know if you're an old old gallon you've never had sex like your hyman would would not look as quote unquote intact as it would so when thinking about this whole concept of Virginity Auction and the the worth of virginity again I just think mm fat Even even flirting with the idea of putting a price on it only reinforces all of of these things that still exists not only in Western society but around the world. If we're talking about money exchanged if we're talking about Sexual actual stigma. If we're talking about these myths about like what the hymen does and how you can medically prove whether or not someone is a virgin which is completely impossible as any any like sexual practitioner will tell you sexual practitioner that makes it sound like like what just practice practice sex all the time. Yeah well yeah I mean it is. Virginity is a social construct cultural construct and women like Natalie Dylan are saying I'm just is GONNA stick it back in your face like I'm just going to take advantage of your social perceptions and earn two or three million four million dollars four million dollars in the process well and she did not end up doing it. The winning bidder. I guess he turned out to be married and his wife found out and was not happy. Yeah but then last. We heard she had found someone else. Bolt these stories. Kind of trickle off vaguely yeah. Yeah but yeah I. I think it's an interesting conversation to have on Gender during sexuality well and maybe they trickle off to Carolina because You know there's so much lead up to the grand finale which is yellow. We we add sex X.. And that was it. Yep So yeah. Well I know that in the most recent with The justice nicely documentary Like no sex toys allowed no additional partners. It condoms had to be used like it was very much like you are just buying the experience -perience of having sexual intercourse with a virgin on a plane on an airplane. So they get the Mile High Club. I was GONNA make a snakes on on my plane joke but I like that one better. Well I am going to be very curious to hear from listeners on this And we're not again like this is not saying that people should not be careful with their bodies and respect their bodies and You know pay attention to things liked consent if you aren't ready to have sex. We're not saying everybody go have sex right now. If you haven't had sex you just need to to do it Or just saying that. It's time to you high time to really examine. What are we talking about when we're talking about virginity and why do we get so worked up about it in this episode is brought to you by bombers you know was a sneaky good holiday holiday gift super comfortable Bomba socks and most people? Don't ask for socks unless you're dumbledore. 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BunnyRanch Podcast Episode 11 with Ruby Rae from BunnyRanch

BunnyRanch Podcast

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BunnyRanch Podcast Episode 11 with Ruby Rae from BunnyRanch

"It's Daddy D if it ain't going down at the Bunny ranch. It ain't going down at all stolen. Hello Hello Hello and welcome back everyone to another episode of Bunny Ranch podcast. My name is Alice little and I'm illegal a sex worker over at the world famous Moonlite Bunny ranch located in Carson City Nevada this week. I've got an awesome guest for you aw she is another feisty. Brad ahead of fellow bunny ranch girl and we just recently did our first two girls party. I've got really oh gosh so. How are you doing today actually really good the really good I am kind of like on a new schedule right. Oh so tell us a little bit about that yeah. I'm taking a little bit more time off. Essentially I'm not exactly fulltime anymore kind of more of a Taurean schedule nothing wrong with that having a work life balance says extremely important yeah so I've kind of just been like off the past week in just getting my stuff together starting back at school for Teaching Oud Bringing Malcolm my thesis yes okay I need to do. Are you able to tell us a little bit about your thesis and what you have going on with that. Yeah I can tell you is a little bit yeah story time story. I'm usually a little bit private about it but I will share so basically developed and taught a class plus on stigma. Yes yes how important that is so needed. Yes it is It was really great. It was just really awesome similar developing the cost with my adviser picking all the readings and the assignments and the activities and just everything I mean I love that part of teaching as developing something and then we collected data from that class and that is essentially what my thesis is. GonNa be about how to reduce stigma on well. It looks looks like and we did a whole bunch of things we looked LGBTQ plus homelessness sex work as actually was Speaker and Oh God that was great and then we also looked religion race gun gun ownership. I Bet I think at all levels of society right now that is Russians about guns are really contentious. Elson tend to be full of a lot of passion law of Passion Vodka so you know I have a lot of students that come from like gun owning families and background DOC ground for those interesting aren't familiar. Nevada has very very open gun laws you could essentially open carry an AK47 into Walmart Walmart and no one's GonNa be on from anyone pretty like you could buy from Walmart and then open carry it in Walmart. There's there's a lot but in terms of ownership permissiveness and you know good or bad not for my place to decide. I feel like but at the same meantime it's important that we have the ability to have conversations about that topic literally so the whole class is really interesting so we collected all that data as more data than I though I bet I like over a thousand pages of Data God okay that is a lot so I was a little stressed last semester and then you know like we we just taught a lot going on in the community as you know and like so I was I was a little burnt out so I kind of took a step back. took the summer off you. I know but now I'm kind of back in school mode so I will be working on the thesis getting not finished so I congratulate with my master's and that will be exciting exciting and then I'm also teaching two classes a semester so I'm up for that keeping busy so I needed a little bit more time off from work. Eric Button are still working. I'm working. I'm still there lie. I'm still always available for got it all going on so you do so so what did you do in your downtime this summer and he travelling experiences. It was so nice girl. Oh yes it was really really good. I went on a trip with one of the girls from one of the ranches and we went to Portland. I love Portland. I Love I we're in a heartbeat. I went away. I went love. La I'm a I'm actually being tomorrow morning to go to Chicago for girls. We Dan Hey there you go out to. La Tomorrow morning same thing Charles weekend yet so yeah and I just like I made it up to the lake actually which I didn't do last summer's much yeah. Why do I live in the area and I'm not making it up to go. Oh my God seriously you need to take advantage the head of Lake Tahoe when you come out to visit Nevada. It's absolutely amazing so amazing. There's everything from jet skiing snowmobiling during the winter months standing in which I love yes I don't. I don't have the balance for that either but I still I also also can't really swim for Shit. We're going to excite yeah. I don't know about that. Oh Yeah we should tell you guys we just we just ended up. Damn we're so fierce and it's it's a really nice little indoor pool so I guess I am going to learn how to sideline because I love being in the water so I'm like I have my own life best. Even the talent gets fine. I'M NOT GONNA die but no it was just a really good. I got to relax a lot too. So that was nice. I got to really focus on just like one thing you know working ranch so it's Kinda just instead of having my direction pulled like so many different ways which it has been for the past couple of years. Oh Yeah I got to just focus on like one thing and not being like bunny ranch and then also like friends and family and it was just a really nice reese. I feel very good right now. That's how it needs to be yeah. You figure we're such a reprieve for so many people. This is very getaway. They come here to recharge. Relax Kinda feel like themselves again and can let their shoulders down by the work stress and just kind of like you know. Take a seat breath laying. We need that as we do. It's gotTa Care Mars Life Balance Yeah. It's one of those things where I always tell people so if the girl's ticket couple days to get their emails please please do be patient professionals but at the same time everyone needs to take time for self care take take time away from work oftentimes many of the ladies or twelve hour shifts other ladies are available by appointments and so we tend to be pretty pretty busy professional busy. Oh Yeah it's it's sex work is work. It is not a Jones not a joke as work. You guys know and and we had to go through last summer until everybody all about it the. Oh boy throwback by the way it's almost been a year to the day. Can you freaking believe it. That's actually pretty crazy because I really don't feel like the whole vote thing. It don't feel it happened that long ago. It was just yes yes. I know the debate and it's doing all in. It's been almost a year that was last summer like right around this time August guest into September. We really gearing up for getting the events for for those that aren't familiar last summer rubiun. I ran a campaign called Lyon County Freedom Association with the ranches and some of the other ladies to educate the general public here in Lyon County about who works in the brothels what our experiences are like and what kind of services we genuinely offered guests. Not a lot of people realize this but sex work is not about sex. Thanks so much. More ethics can be onion intimacy connection. It's not just this one single. Get in get off. Get out out like it's it's relationship building end of the day be here. If it was about just that same literally saint it would not be fulfilling to me at all I wouldn't that wouldn't know there's no. There's no personal value in that because you're not enriching anyone's lives whereas the way that we we tend to do things especially with girlfriend experiences out dates and overnight. It really allows you to build this amazing memorable connection with someone. That's so unique I need. It's just wonderful totally as like I'm a person that needs connection in my life. No that's exactly why this kind of job was desirable tire bowl to me. I crave that in everyday life you know I'm not making a meaningful impact or making those meaningful connections agents and I don't feel the filled at all. No it's essential. It's absolutely essential something like forty percent of all adults now feel oh chronic loneliness and that has a dramatic impact on people's health or physical health mental health. It's just it's part of what we need. Is People re- require hear that skin-to-skin touch to like yeah. Just we need it totally agree so now that you've been doing this profession fashion. What would you say you've really learned about people in connection I think I've learned learned that you know. I think there's kind of like this stereotype against you. Know Men and women and people think women are just like you no the only emotional ones none. They're the only ones that need affection or touch or intimacy or that. They need. It just like a lot more than men. Let's say but men in my experience throughout doing this 'cause I you know I started here in two thousand eleven so like if this is a long time now you laura professional career that's normal yeah but like so I think like but I have really seen as that men are craving that they're needing in not wanting not desire everything just as much as women yeah to them and it's okay to express it for the love of God. Ah Okay to express anything. It's okay for them to come here and yeah. I thought because I think there's also the thing about like you know. Toxic masculinity your masculinity trucks and it's you know some men don't know how to verbalize that they need. You know the touch the feeling feeling like wanted hidden feeling understood. There's this quote that I really like. It's I'm paraphrasing here but it's like kind of nobody really understood or it's not often understood by people how erotic it is to be understood like people are just looking for like those other for people like in their tribe or like a partner or you know something like this. You know whatever to kind of understand them and be intimate with them not just on a sexual level but like on a mental guess. It's it's everyone needs. It's the act of being seen yes gene and witness who who you are right when L. I see you. I feel you I know you. I'm connecting with you right here. Right now. Who you are today as a okay in I accept you like that's that's beautiful and that's so rare in today's Day and age where we're all behind our computers or on her damn cell cell phones. There's no no one initially in like there. I mean don't get me wrong. I love my cell phone. I love all it does me to meet you. I'm like like what's up yeah but at the same time like I I understand how it takes away a lot from you know human connection attention and yeah. I definitely realized that but I'm just glad that when people come here you know they can find kind of a friend in me you know for that moment a lover in me thought and they can feel yeah understood by me accepted and all of that and they can just have fun with me too. I think some people might I've been called intimidating before. I don't think I am 'cause like I don't know you know me. I'm just like pretty the technical difficulties there is a fly applies swinging away a note there was. I'm just like I feel like I'm pretty like down to Earth Pretty Goofy. I'm just like a person that likes to have a good time and just to get a really know someone in so. I just hope that people can come here and have a good experience experience with me at the end of the day yeah. It's beautiful too because you're here is part of a career. You are long-term. I means that people get to make meaningful connections with you over multiple months or years and just have this beautiful relationship that blossoms and grows and deepens intimacy. I imagine you have a lot of regular goes. Yeah I mean meanest. It's awesome because like like I said I started in two thousand eleven and I did take like you know a couple of breaks throughout the last eight years and even throughout like breaks away from the industry and kind of like focusing on other things and then coming back. I still have like a handful of clients that are from when I started in two thousand some eleven and I just I to me. I kind of find that like a little crazy yeah. I'm like I did WANNA. See me like what eh letting your. Dick euless also like really flattering and just really special to know that they value that time yeah for so long I mean in another board. I'm on it's a relationship. It's something that it's it's hard to put evaluation on. It's just it is what it is. It's an emotional experience and again those are very rare to come by yeah definitely gosh so. I've always like looked did it that you can experience life in two different ways either through things and the physical acquisition of stuff or through experiences travel food in music things of that nature like what would you say. You're more inclined tale like you already know the answer but yeah definitely. I appreciate things that Kinda well that money can buy but you're buying experience and that's what's intangible intangible. Yes so I love to travel I've been to let's see thirteen countries. Okay what yeah there you. I'm next year I am. I'm going on like a cruise which I've never been on a cruise. I don't know it's pretty big though so I don't think we're going to be you're going to be good. If you're going to be good yeah that'll be fun and then I'm also I'm going back to Spain and Portugal which I've been there before but I'm doing new things things there and then I'm going to Morocco. I like that was not like really on my list but my friends going and she was like. Hey WanNa go to Spain Portugal Glenn Morocco and I'm like you know why not life is Abou travel enjoyment new experiences that so yes yeah I just I I love like going somewhere in just really getting to know the culture and and like how they how they live life over there and and what people are like I'm very I'm fascinated by people that that makes dominantly true of me so I think that's why I love traveling so much and also so it's just kind of like a nice like little escape like I love having can base. I love coming home to my cats and my friends my cat Ma by ear your Kitty's name Waylon and Hawley yes good cat names right there and like waylon after waylon jennings the country singer and holly after Holly golightly from breakfast at Tiffany's 'cause I'm a huge Audrey Hepburn Fan okay but can you give them descriptions as if they were girls at the Bunny Ranch like the Little Bilo Hi. My name is their hobbies and interests V. Like do it wayland boy but he like honestly the most like cuddly ever. I feel like he would just be like if he was a girl. He'd be accused female he'd be. GFD Not all the way. Let me snuggle you 'cause he's. He's a little you know thickness on him so cuddle. Somebody say he's nothing wrong with that and then Holly Yeah if you're looking for more of that like role play a bratty yet attention seeking experience. You know like you can with the robot can I'm the Brat and you know I'm ready. I'm the princess and you're gonNA treat me like a princess. That would be holy for sure but once you give her attention she won't go away. Luna Luna's like paint me. I'm right here looks like can old French sex workers. You just Kinda like saunters in slops over like hello. She's no I'm here. She's so ridiculous. She's he's. I love cab. It's like we work in cat owns like I know Shoukat yes. Everyone should have a cat. Go adopt a cat had this is your PSA for today. Oh my gosh there's just so many amazing interesting things. So what are you most looking forward to this next year. Well one graduating. I know I said that last year but this year is happening this year here. Fisher it's going to happen. I'm excited for that. I'm excited. I'm excited for trips that I have coming up. I'm excited. I don't know yeah I guess I don't know I'm sure more things will pop up but I'm just I don't know I'm just excited for another year just to be here. Honestly it's an an exciting year for shirts and election years so there's going to be all sorts of interest is in the new. Everyone always says oh politics earned for the bedroom but like I disagree a lot of clients who talk politics now. I actually think it's very intimate when you're comfortable enough with someone share the Yes to be able the have even different opinions and go. You know what I respect your viewpoint. That's okay. I don't have to agree with your choices. I don't have to agree with the same thoughts that you do but it doesn't change the fact that like hey you ever really sexy brain and like we should get naked now. Yeah I mean I think like no matter what your political views are kind of just like if you can explain things and talk about it and you know I can understand your viewpoint. Even if I may not agree with communication it is so essential and it's one of those things that I feel like we sometimes teach people especially those that come in as virgins to kind of learn how to communicate better and kind of open up an express S. that in a way that genuinely actionable like what feels nice. Where do you like to be touched. What kinds of sensations are you looking for. The tell me what you imagine this being like it's important for people to learn how to use that language and when sex Edna's country KINDA SUCKS WCHS Hi. We also get to be sex educators. Yeah I had sex education in Nevada so I understand how sake it was. I mean gene whereas kind of sucky but I had it in Nevada and let me tell you. It wasn't that great. Yuck not not shocked. Yeah not shocked at all so as you're talking talking about. Sometimes virgins come out. There's really all sorts of different guests that travel to the ranch but I'm kind of curious. Are there any services that you don't offer her. Yes I think like since I have just been like in the industry for so long that I definitely Louis like have discovered what I'm naturally good at what I'm used to and I definitely the top probably two or g AFI girlfriend experience and out dates. I feel great companion good conversation last I. It's all fun in the bedroom but yeah there are a couple the things that I don't really specialize in one of those probably like more of the Kinky or stuff like beat. Sim done parties like thought thought but when people kind of requests that I always say to them hey like it's not that I'm not interested in this. I don't have the education or the background uh-huh feel comfortable committing to this by yeah yeah get a second lady and they're more experience and knowledge. Yes I always recommend. Hey if you're wanting to do something like this. Let's bring in another girl who I can recommend news more educated on it and can kind of guy to sue the experience a little bit it better and it's just the two girls so that's fun too yeah depending on what kind of scenario for example if you're looking to tie one of the ladies up you're actually required wired to have another lady present in the room as a safety spotter. That's both for your protection as well as our protection as you can imagine oftentimes with those kinds of experiences Sirius'. Another lady really does come in Handy. Yeah it really does and I. I love two girls so that so that was a lot oughta find. I Love I love. I love the energy of chew girl. I love working with like you know or bringing in a girl you know I see every day and I work with and that's fun so oh because we do have a chemistry with each other they long. It's it's it's really nice. It's it's just a different dynamic and I find that kind of exciting and exhilarating exhilarating. is different from like. Maybe my everyday norm so yes. That's what I like about it and then probably another one that I don't really think I specialize specialize in too. Much is probably couples to be honest non Nada. I'm not open. I think for me I just with a a couple is going to contact me. I just want to know that they're very serious. Yes because I'll be honest for a second. I have had a lot of couples email me and I kind of feel you like them. emailing me is kind of just foreplay for them. they get kind of their foreplay they get it other system and then. I don't hear from them again and then and since we just said sex work is work. It's like our time is valuable. It is please only email the ladies about serious inquiries alternatively. If you simply WanNa `send compliment. Please don't get your feelings hurt. The lady doesn't get back to you right away. It's not that she doesn't appreciate you. It's not that she doesn't want to communicate with you. It's just that we do realistically have a lot of different demands on our time. You're very professional ladies and like you said earlier. It's so important to find that work life balance. You have to have ah bats yup or a pseudo. You know you can just as in any job you can just go burnt out all of these things so I I like to I know oh where my strengths lie and I definitely like make sure that I'm playing to my strengths within homeless within life. You know you know it's one one of those things too. I feel like as you mature as a sex worker and kind of discovered experiences with guests to learn the things that you appreciate most than the things that are perhaps perhaps left best to another lady for example like I'm willing to do a porn star experience and I'm willing to break out a camera but that certainly isn't something I specialize in because I'm I'm not a porn star. I've never been porn. I've not done porn. I did like one educational video ones but that's not like really porn though it's not really borne so it's like I can work with you but at the same time I never hesitate if someone's like who's the best person for this. Let me find someone one for you. If you're looking to play in musical instrument with somebody like the guitar I have ladies played the guitar. There's ladies all sorts of levels of talented Alan dead. If you're looking for someone that does golfing. I might not do it but I probably know somebody like. That's the beauty is that those of us that have been here for awhile get to sued build relationships with the other ladies as well and so we're able to kind of connect people together and really beautiful ways yeah and I don't know after a while I'm just I'm. I'm just not scared to say that. I'm not you know the best at something. That's you know that's just not scary to me anymore. And I'm I would at the end of the okay. I want a client or gus to come in have a great experience and want to come back so if I know that I can't necessarily give them the experience that they want what they need. I am happy to make it work with another lady for you or to kind of pull in another lady and have a different kind of you know it. It goes a lot of different ways but at the end of the day it's all about really satisfying the customer and making making sure that they want to making sure that they have a good memory and making sure that they wanna come back. I mean Dennis always said when you come to the bunny ranch it's like almost a VIP type. Experience hands like you are here your cherished welcome to our family. We WanNA spoil you Dotan. You make you feel like a celebrity and I feel like even with him. Passing that energy is very much so still remained in when you come here like you are our guest. Please come enjoy our baseless gives you the grand tour meet my horses. This is there really spoiled. No treats for the fat pony though he's got them. He's got plenty diabetes. That pony is too much talking of animals. Oh God I have too many pets that sure yeah. I do opt at the two cats. We won't talk about the three Chihuahuas the cat the two ponies in many peg yeah yeah well my my family has pets so I kind of got my fillon and other ways as well as for my own accounts just to fair enough. Oh my goodness sell Verdoux people find you on the Internet. How do they get a hold of you the best way to connect with you so if if you're wanting to set something up which hopefully you do. WanNa do that. Yes please you can directly email our reach me at my email which is ruby ray at Bunny ranch dot com and then I'm not all over the place on Social Media Kinda keep. I guess a look of a lower profile but I do have a twitter and that is at the Ruby Ray. It is a private though at this current moment of taping this episode chest so request to follow us to follow. I'm a little bit picky. 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What Brothels Can Teach All of Us About Risk

Reason Podcast

46:07 min | 2 years ago

What Brothels Can Teach All of Us About Risk

"This is the reason podcast. And I'm your host, nNcholas ping. You know, just when you might have thought that economics was finally played out as a way for us to understand the world along comes today's guest. This is a very special episode of the reason podcasts, and I'm convinced ahead of time that it's going to be one of our most downloaded as well Allison Schrager is a PHD economists who writes for quartz. She's a journalist, and she's also the co founder of life cycle finance partners of risk advisory firm. She teaches at NYU. But the reason I'm talking to her today is because she has written one of the most interesting books. I've read in a very long time. And the interesting stuff starts with the title, which is an economist walks into a brothel. Now, this isn't a memoir about living a double life or anything like that. Unless she breaks some news during this podcast. But in fact, what's interesting about this book, and what's fascinating about. It's me is that it's all about how to understand quantify in minimize risk and all different parts of our lives and in our society as well. It also carries with it implicitly. An at times explicitly. I think libertarian message about intention -ality and responsibility when it comes to living life to the fullest Alson traeger. Thanks for talking to reason. Thank you for having me. So let's get right to it. Your your book is about the economics of risk. But you begin it in a brothel, and it's the famous bunny ranch in Nevada that was run by Dennis Hof who was running for congress. I guess or some office and died of last year what brought you to the bunny ranch in. What did it teach? You about risk. Well, I wasn't the bunny ranch before for an earlier story. I did negotiate in skills because they have a really effective negotiation training program. And when I was there, I got to know a lot of the women talking to that negotiation skills, and I was really surprised at how much more they charged than the illegal market. So the illegal market is ordering a sex worker online, which happens all over the country all the time that market is all underground in a lot riskier, and I was surprised that they could get away with charging so much more because you have to go. Oh, all the way to Nevada as opposed to the convenience factor of just you know, being able to order a sex worker in your city. So and this was also been in other markets illegal markets, like if if you borrow money from a Bank interest rate probably is going to be lower than if you borrow it from the mafia exactly so in particularly in whether or not an illegal market charges more than legal market, usually comes down to who has more market power. And that is you know, how plentiful something so I would have thought the opposite. So it dawned on me, it was really interesting. Restore also I'd written on sex workers a lot in the past and risk of so much at the forefront of their minds, you know, how to manage risk. I mean, the whole concept that some guy. Already someone who's looking for sex workers online, you know, no judgment. But you know, you get some dodgy characters who do that. Unsure you got some of the finest people who've ever for instance, lived in the governor's mansion in Albany and what? But it's a mixed bag. It's a very mixed bag and that you're going to be fairly vulnerable in a private place with them. So it's an it's I mean, it's risky for the what do the workers at the bunny ranch went to they call themselves. Are they do they call themselves prostitutes? So I've learned this prostitutes refers to the streetwalking it's very segmented market. So the prostitution's usually the streetwalkers higher end are middle to high end, call themselves escort, sex work. I guess is just the generic term so or they escorts at the bunny ranch. Yeah. So it's the escorts. I mean, the the Johns are the clients are minimizing their risk in various ways, and then the escorts or as well talk about what what do the escorts get out of it. Because part of what you talk about in. That chapter is how much of their earnings the escorts give to the house a lot. So anyway, the prices look huge. Yeah. I think I found an average price at fourteen hundred dollars an hour. That's not their take home pay. If. Give right off the bat fifty percent of the house, and because they're working legally, they're ten ninety nine's. They actually have to them pay taxes full self employment taxes, and they're if they're getting ten ninety nine on their contract workers. Exactly. So that means they have the self employment tax top of it. So I mean, we're talking thirty forty percent on top of that. So they probably would make more money if they worked in the illegal market, or will they would they would probably take homework pay because they could skimp on taxes, and they wouldn't be kicking out as much but why but they wouldn't be able to command the same price. Right. They wouldn't. Yeah. Why is that? What it what is it that the customer is willing to pay you get safety to in. What was well. I mean, if you do order a sex worker online there's quite a bit of a danger involved. You don't know who she is going to be she could blackmail. You look really different from our pictures. It could be a police sting. And in fact, the way sex workers do try to minimize risk in the legal market is they do this very thorough screening. So they're probably gonna be calling your place of work and confirming your identity. Which makes a lot of potential customers uncomfortable for obvious reasons, and and they're disease free disease free. They're screened for diseases every week. I mean, the whole thing is monitored by the health department. So it's about as close to risk free sex is you can get well, you know, there's always a risk when you when you open, your heart or your wallet asked the theory. That's part of why it's popular. I mean, I, you know, seeing this up close and not really relating to it in any way. You know, everyone always expects me to really be grossed out by the Johns and most of them are just really lonely people. And there is something comforting, especially I think this explains why the girlfriend experience is the highest premium service explain that a little bit. So this is like more than just, you know, almost no one goes in there just want sex in like in and out that's actually called half and half. You said we could get a little dirty and get going on the brothel. I get I sent Lear lose my batteries hate to tire. But this is so far not so dirty. You got. A long way to fall so half-and-half is straight sex. And that's actually, maybe twenty minutes and doesn't wise called half and half half blowjob have sex. Thank you. And I think I have just outed myself as a naive in this. Most people are you know? When you're in the brothel, you start learning the lingo, and you start to sing the most obscene things to everyone in public in front of children because you lose all sense of boundaries. So you were saying though, so people don't want or the most of the customers don't want just the half and half they want. They want the girlfriend experience, which is they want to take their time. They want someone to listen to their problems. They want someone to cuddle with they made even want to go to dinner or have a bath. And there's a huge premium on this service one because it's more emotionally taxing on the women too. But mainly I think there's a risk premium in that. And that most most I encountered you came to the brothel were just lonely in crave. Intimacy and like straight up half and half doesn't provide that, and I think a lot of people fear intimacy. Afraid to put themselves out there. So there's something almost risk free in this encounter in the this illusion of intimacy. But no real you're not really having heartbreak on the line. There's no fear of rejection talk a bit about and it's off because he and you mentioned like you went there to to look at do a story about the negotiations stuff in one of the things. That's fascinating about him as as a figure, and he was much beloved when he died his funeral. I mean, number celebrities and just hundreds of people there to say their last farewells. But I mean among other things he's teaching the escorts that you don't have to do anything. You don't want to and also to negotiate for price. What what's going on there? Well, I mean, I was always really attracted to this story in part because I found Dennis off to be so fascinating. I like people who make have complicated feelings about. And you know, he can't deny as uncomfortable as you might feel about what goes on there that he did a lot for these women L. They first thing he made them do when they got there. A life goal beyond the brothel. I do you want to go back to school? Do you wanna buy a house, and then you work towards that goal? And then he provided them with financial planners business training, really great negotiation training because he wants said to me it's like this is not a great job. And most of them are never going to last more than a year. And most them are never gonna make this kind of money again, what kind of money are they making? You know, I think I profile night talked mostly about the women who are the super high earners who might be earning half a million a million dollars a year. But that's definitely outliers. I think typically it's more like maybe one hundred grand, which you know, isn't bad. Now, it is certainly not bad. No, especially as meeting women there. Sushi they came from families a lot of them where you know, people don't even have Bank accounts where a lot of the men aren't working, and they they had no experience with money before they got there. And now they're like telling me that there are, you know, IRA's invested in passive phones. I mean, they really, you know, a learning these skills in. A lot of them. Sadly, no one's really taken that sort of interest in them before. Now, one of the things that has really memorable about the book is your reporting. Chops are great and you build each chapter around a different kind of entrepreneur or individual figure group that is doing something. And in the chapter Bravo's, it's Hof describe a little bit about what he was doing before. He got into the problem business because he is kind of a visionary in a weird way. And I know you're not you're not like uncritical supporter of him. But it's also like he's pretty fascinating character who has empowered bunch of people who really didn't have any love about him is. I love the contradictions in him. And I think you know, we look for these pure Xiros pure villains. Especially in these times that often, you know, you you get a lot of shades of gray. And there was something inherently sleazy about Dennis. But L he because before he was at the brothel. He was in the other thing people think are sleazy which is timeshares and he had this. Idea and this is going to sound so offensive to so many people, but it was kind of a good idea that sex work was affectively like selling timeshares. You know, you're renting all you have to do is say that in. Yeah. Everybody can fill in the details. Right. It's kind of true, but kind of horrible. So he took that same idea before the brothels were sort of these dingy places where these women were effectively in trailers forced to work long shifts where they're not allowed to leave. And if a man came in to do it ever he wanted for the whatever house price, and he was like he set the business up like timeshares where they were affected like these individual people selling timeshares where they negotiate every price where they never have to do any sex act. They don't wanna do with anyone. They don't want to. So it's I mean, again, I wanna talk kind of broadly about risk, and then go into some more specific examples that you run through in the book. But so what what you learn what the economists learns in the Bravo is people are willing to pay a premium to reduce risk. And that includes the prostitutes, the escorts and the clients. Yes. So the spread this is interesting because I always thought of pimps as people who force people into risky situations in extractor rent from that. And what Dennis did is he set up a situation where the he? Created a spread between buyers and sellers and that spread was a risk premium. They each paid. And then he took the risk premium both sides, you have so he's visionary in that sense to I've been a pretty savvy entrepreneur insurance company. Okay. Which I suspect the way most people think about their insurance companies or their agents, they're kind of like pimps or something that was the idea is that you know, I worked in finance over the years at studied it in academia, and it's just you see the stuff everywhere. Once you start understanding talk about risk. I mean, generally what is the category of risk? And why is it so important and yet it seems to be so neglected? I mean, part of what you're doing with the book and saying, you know, we've had kind of freakonomics type analyses of a lot of stuff not so much with risk. What is risk? And why are we slow to kind of recognize it and talk about it? I mean, it is true that people are somewhat uncomfortable with risk, but I think risk sciences and just well understood. So to me, you know, I my so I don't think most people wanna tell them even Stiller surprised by say, well, it's financial theory 'cause finance within economics is the study of risk in even in economics. Finance remains fairly silent from other areas of economics. I mean, you're doing so much pricing and macro policy without thinking about risk or the financial sector at all. Which is actually kind of. Causing a bit of reckoning in the economic academic economics community is interesting. But I mean, this is true everywhere. So risk is technically in finance. And I think this is a good definition just to go with because risk Allston is poorly. Defined people say it's a risk is just what's the worst thing that can happen. That's not risk risk is to me a measurement of the future. The future is unknowable, but you can make an estimate of what you think might happen. A whole range of things might happen. And there's a rough probability you can put on all the range of things could be good things. It could be bad things. You would never take a risk unless you thought a good thing would happen. And were afraid to grapple with that is it because it's it's complicated. Or is it because we don't want to really. Kind of envision the worst thing that could happen. I think it's just one of those things we just haven't top people. I think people actually are very good risk-takers. I don't buy that. We're just doomed by these biases that make us unable to grapple with whisk aren't able to comprehend. The worst case scenario. I think it's just people don't understand the science is there. Relatively because it's relatively new and don't really see how to apply it. But I see people generally being great restraint GIS in one area their life and not understanding what they're doing technically in once they do. They can apply it to all your life. Because I think we are naturally. Good risk-takers. But now that we have more research in science and data. We can actually take those lessons or take a good recision in one area and applied everywhere else. Which is what the book does in a broader sense. It's fascinating to me. I'm fifty five and I grew up in a kind of lower middle class household where I guess my parents my father had a defined benefit pension. So like, you know, and then at some point, I guess they bought some mutual funds or something. But all I'm saying is like thirty years ago. Very many fewer people were in the market at all. The the news didn't lead with what the S and P five hundred was doing necessarily. And there's just been this great learning curve over the past generation or two to start thinking about economics. And I guess fine. Finance or risk comes a little bit after that. And so we're getting this conversation. I think that's right. I think you bring up a good point. Which is maybe why we haven't really learned about risk is because for a long time the economy was structured that someone else will take on your risk. Someone took on your retirement risk even jot jobs role lasted longer would stable salary increases that were predictable at all this predictability shouldn't have to really think about it. And this is what inspired me to write the book is my work doing retirement innovation is that we've put this huge risk problem in every single household but surly bed knowing right? I mean, I want to be in charge. I guess unless I really screwed up. I want to be in charge of my retirement because I'm going to have to live with the consequences. But yet is I. I guess this is true. When you read all of the accounts of retire underfunded for one K's and things like that. We were going to be in a world of hurt sometime over the next twenty years benefit plans. Weren't that? Great. Yeah. No. Of course, not. But you weren't thinking about it. Right thinking about it. But I mean in some ways that poses a bigger risk because you know, you are in charge if someone under funds your defined benefit plan, and then your company goes bankrupt. You take a huge haircut on that. And you have no control over that. I mean, the reason why got rid of defined benefit plans as they were super expensive. And in fact, more people now have access to retirement plan of some kind than even the glory days of defined benefit plans in part because they're cheaper. So they can be more accessible, and this is one of the reasons why we'll talk a little bit later down the down the road about your personal politics or g but I mean to me this is very libertarian of like, I blend libertarian ISM and existential ISM, and it's kind of like you're going to be living with whatever you end up with. So you might as well take responsibility for. Earlier speaking of economic anxiety and people managing our minimizing risk you hung out with a pop Ritsuko. That's the singular of paparazzi. Yeah. And it's the name of a character in Fellini's, eight and a half. I guess pop. His name is Papa I actually don't know this about should. Okay. So and then the pluralist paparazzi, and that's that. But it comes from that it so Papa rut so Papa rots though. Well, in any case, you hung out with a celebrity photographer. I did what did you learn from that experience about risk of so much, you know, they living this various it of secret fascinating world, which honestly, I found more interesting than the celebrities, which is you know, you magin if you're a Popper until you face incredible risk in terms of your income because you know, you're affectively hunting and going out with them was really fun because you're hunting for celebrities, then you see one and so exciting. It's like playing Pokemon snap or something. Yes. Only get paid. Yes. It, but you might also have a bad outing. And then you don't get paid anything more often than not. But when you have a good outing. I mean, your income is so variable depending on talk about I mean, what we're in the guy that you were hanging out with mostly what's going after Alec Baldwin. Day. I mean, they all congregate around the corner because that's Reggie headed lips. And this is sort of like a corner last celebrities live. So that's where they all congregate. He took me out for Alec Baldwin another time we saw another starlet account. Remember who and how much how much money could could've photographer. Make with a with a good shot. Well, if you have a good shot where something newsy is happening. And it's a big event I interviewed the former photo editor of us weekly. And I mean in the past I mean, ninety eight all get into later of you know, how the markets change. But even now, you if you saw a celebrity embroiled in an affair something like that or the end of a relationship of a hot couple, you could get like half a million dollars, but most pictures now the just like us photos, the pictures of people just wandering the streets. Getting coffee is like five dollars. See this variability is enormous new you talked about in that chapter that there's. The individual risk and larger risk because that whole industry has radically changed with the advent of cell phones and everybody having a camera. And also the distribution is now digital rather than through paper. So there's that kind of risk. And then there's the up and down of the individual about in finance, we call individual risk idiosyncratic risk, which is the whisk an individual stock will rise or fall Facebook, you buy Facebook stock what happens with Facebook determines your portfolio? But there's also systematic risk which is the risk the entire market will crash like did in two thousand eight so the pup routes see all all of them. Face a lot of both the house and credit risk is that you get that money shot in any one day. But then they also face extreme systematic risk that the whole market has totally changed in between celebrities posting on Instagram between the the digitalization, which has changed the business model for all the agencies they sell to. So I talked about just like us photo being five dollars an hour. They used to be something called the gold rush era, which was like Lindsay Lohan Paris Hilton peak years where you would get maybe fifteen thousand dollars for that phone. So there's been these huge market changes. And what was interesting about this is in finance it. Use credit risk is managed quite easily. Is you just hold a lot of stocks? Because if you hold enough stocks, you don't notice one going up or down, and this is why people by index funds mutual funds. They do the same thing by forming these alliances, although paparazzi, oh like four men alliance. An initiator tips or royalties, depending on the arrangement or they might just be partners in like, two, weeks takeout. So what you're doing is. You're pooling your risk. Also, a bunch of defectors right or sometimes this is this a million economics dissertation going on here. Because there's also you also make the most money for an exclusive. So you always have an incentive Emmys aligns is even get names like they're not like there's no legal contract, but they're fairly informal within the community. So you have these cute little names, and but they are inherently unstable because people always cheating on their alliances, and then they fall apart. Then the idiosyncratic risk is so great they have to reform in some contests. You're out there with them. And they all hate each other. Sure. So it's so in other words, even that it's like every other workplace, right? No. And you use that chapter also to talk about economic anxiety. And that's I mean, kind of in many ways, I guess that industry is similar to many aspects of contemporary life where it seems as if and I'm not, you know, in some cases, I think it's exaggerated others not. But it seems as if whole industries are rising and falling on on an almost quarterly basis. And that's that's difficult to manage try. It is it's and it's and it's more terrifying. It's more next essential wrist year career. I mean, I think you know, one thing that fascinates me is an economist is we talk so much about how bad it is for people. And how terrible the economy is. Although if you look at any metric people really never lived better, by any way, you can think about it. And yet people are so anxious, and I think they're anxious because they feel this existential threat to their careers. I mean is it true? You mentioned before are is the average job tenure. And I realized that's almost an impossible metric to define in any meaningful way across time. But. Are people having fewer jaw or or people's job tenure shorter than they used to be? And do they have to do? They have to jump into new careers more than they used to. Or is it merely the feeling of that? Which would have the same affect psychically? But my complicated. It's too hard question. Because if you just look at median tenure you'll see that it's actually increased and which is totally overshadowed everyone thinks about the job hopping millennials, but it's a little more nuance. When you look at it more carefully. First of all one reason why median tenure has increased is from the eighties. Is you have a whole generation of women who had actual like lifetime careers as opposed to before women have babies the Rams, so you really have to look at it as a male only problem just to separate it that. And then you've only do that you can see median ten years of being flat or going down for or increasing for men too. But that's mainly because before a third of people at any given moment had been in their job for less than a year. Now what you see is very short tenures a little less common. But very long tenure is also less common. So the lifetime job has gone away. But you're also getting I think I suspect it's just better matching. And it might be to be the better information better technology, you know, people more educated than they used to be. So you don't have these sort of very short jobs people find a job, they stay there for three or five years, and then they move on. And it could be I mean, I know from conversations in researching you a bit. So as a journalist I mean, you've worked at a variety of places Bloomberg and the economists and quartz. So it's that's different. If you're moving among similar jobs than if you started out as a ditch digger become a journalist, and then you have to become a dishwasher or something. Well, this is the difference in innocent credit or systematic risk in your job. Interesting Craddock risk would be the risk that your individual job just doesn't work out. So you don't get along with the culture is just a manager whatever you just move to another job. And I think that risk is always existed. But this system Matic risk is now threatening. It feels like every job. And this is where I wonder how much it certainly has changed journalism in the past thirty years in radical ways, and it continues to restructure and be redefined. But I wonder sometimes if because it's affecting journalists so much they add Nate control, the means of representation, you know, that every every industry is going down, the crapper or something. I mean, I personally techno optimists. I think that maybe because I was a student of the industrial revolution for so long. And there was a lot of anxiety. Then so I feel like I've heard all this before. But I think you know, there's a pervasive feeling of is going to take my job, and everyone was worried about this. And we we don't have really have good solutions. So I think people even if some of the fears, maybe or exaggerated. I I think the fear is real. And I guess it's true in the in the industrial revolution are at various phases. When there's major dislocations is a huge amount of improvisation that happens nobody can really plan for that disruption. But then you come up with something that opens up a whole new industry, humans really a great at making themselves valuable, and in some ways, I find is it having studied industrial revolution. As long as I did interesting. And I about a lot of the fears people have now because people are very anxious that they don't have the steady job they can rely on when one of the things that was really hard about the industrial. Revolution was getting people to adapt to steady jobs people were used to having so much more autonomy, and the idea that like men had to go somewhere and have some other man, tell them what to do all day and sit there day was just horrific for them and took a generation of social conditioning. That's why we actually have universal education to get men to be willing to do this sort of thing. What's going on in horse breeding farms in Kentucky? Kind of the that's actually far more voyeuristic than the brothel chapter in chapter by Dr. So I was looking into the economic force breeding, and it's an interesting story. So that is actually my chapter on modern portfolio theory modern portfolio theory is this idea in economics that Harry Markowitz came up with which is the, you know, just not the diversification. I talked about the paparazzi it's that there's this optimal way to diversify like if you get the exact right combination of stocks, then it sort of like the only free lunch or having financed like the holy grail and finances. How can I get more, but not have to take more risk because risk is the cost of downside risk is the cost of going for more. So there's this idea that if you have the exact rate magical combination of stocks, you can get more endless risk. Discovered with horse breeding is that since nineteen Eighty-six tax reform, which really made a long term investments a lot less valuable people became a lot. I mean already started a bit before, but it really took off in the eighties. This idea that you're going to sell your horses after one year instead of reading a horse in racing it you just sell it after one year and someone else races it. So the problem is that one what was it in the tax code? So you wanted to realize your returns earlier? Okay. So that's also another. So you want to get rid of the risk? There's not much upside to hold debasing your on horse anyway, so people every now fecklessly every horse. That's born is going to be sold within any news or thoroughbreds. I mean racehorse so these are all the the Donald Trump kids. Right. And you wanna you want you want to sell them before they actually reveal how good or bad? They are exactly. But you know, you have to sell these are expensive creatures. What what are the coast? At the I don't know is those mostly more in the stud market. Okay. Well, let's talk about sunset. So the thing is that that one year point, the only, you only know a couple pieces of information, you know, who the parents are. And you get some sense a muscle tone at that stage. But both those things seem to favor inbreeding. Because you know, there's only so many sires the people want. So if if that's one of the crucial pieces of information that one sire that handful of Cyrus become a lot more desirable. So they become a lot more expensive in what you ended up getting is a significant uptick in inbreeding since one thousand nine hundred six and that's because it's a way of minimizing risk. I guess or I mean, it's a -ssume that when you know, the parentage emergency the sire, why is the why is the father course, or the sidewise he considered more determinative than the than the female than there is concerned more determined it. But the thing is you have a mayor. That's yours. You can choose the Cyrus. Okay. And so what what do they diversify like, what is the portfolio diversifying the thing? They ended up inbreeding these horses, and you know. If you don't diversify. You know, you end up with a very large range of outcomes. Like, maybe the stock. You picked is going to be the next Google or maybe it's just going to be the next petScom. Let's let's put it in terms of the English Royal family. Yeah, you're gonna get Edward or Harry or somebody like, you, you might get Prince William Prince, Harry seems a little better. Although he might be out breeding. Running on the rumors. So so that's fascinating. And but horse breeders are I mean because you also talked about how there's even evidence that horses are slower now than they used to see on average thing if you bring two courses that are kind of inbred, but have great qualities together. There's an upside shot. It's a long shot that you're going to end up with this perfect combination of characteristics. That's going to be the next secretary. But on average, you do worse. So it's better to sort of matchup horses that have complementary characteristics. They're just kind of a little bit more above average you want above average. So there's what is regression to the mean or reversion to the mean or something that it's just like, it's really complicated to make. You know, how these things are going to plan out like, for instance, secretary had a super large heart. Three or four times larger than everyone else's heart are the horses heart Speedo, you can't just breed a horse to have a large heart because everything has to be in tune is in one guy explained that you have to be a real genetic freak to run that fast. And if you just take all these sort of like, oh, this one has a big heart, and this one has the right hip, and you put that together, you don't know how it's going to work out. So it's better to go with just solid above average characteristics. Carryover into portfolio diversification. Under risk diverse. Totally because if you just diversify with a lot of very solidly performing stocks. You know, you're not going to be that person. Who bet it all made a fortune on Google, but an average you're gonna do better because this is also one of the hard truths is that the market does better than any of the overtime tends to do better than any of the individual actors in the market. Yeah. Exactly. And it could be one reason I said, this sort of more inbreeding, you know, there's a lot of reasons why horses are getting slower, but you know, inbreeding could be part of it. Because it's also there's. There's tighter drug testing the tracks are a little bit softer because they want to protect the horses more. So there's other factors. There's other factors that probably honestly are a little bit more Sutphin significant. So another example, and then I'm going to go back to talk about a little bit more, generally. But you said it on a safety conference held annually by big wave surfers. And again, this is one of the things that makes the book really compelling read is just is the reporting. It's a great blend of, you know, really, finely tuned detailed reporting. And then these large theories what what did you learn from the big wave surfers? Well, you know, it was the first of all the best conference. I've ever been to. I obviously, and who was fast, obviously, have never been to a Star Trek convention, but now, but I have to my share of pension risk cont conferences, and how similar it was in so many ways and that we're in this windowless conference room in the north shore of Hawaii. Everyone's just a lot more casually than their pension on vetting the cores or a little bit tighter that the typical risk finance everyone's in great shape and super tan and really cool. But if I thought we were doing is they learn different date. There is a sky profiled the one who brought jet skis too, big wave surfing, and he is actually like a very thoughtful risk scholar. Like he had this revelation. He was telling me one day. I think it was in the ninety s where he's like risk is something that can be managed. We don't just have to go out in the world in just take whatever comes we can actually be thoughtful manage risk. So we had this idea that he would educate people on risk management. So a lot of what went on at the conference was actually very similar to the finance conferences. I do go to which is post crisis everyone in finances obsessed with systemic risk, which is knows that if you take risks, you pose risks other people, and that's exactly what they're doing because surfing constantly comes up with these new technologies to make surfing safer, and then it's fascinating that you meant like one of them tells you that they're not necessarily an adrenalin junky. No. Because that's what you assume. Mhm that these are like dare-devils who just want to go over falls in a barrel or something. But actually, that's not not the big wave guys. I mean, if you're surfing eighty foot wave you can't be reckless. They're actually quite nerdy. And in fact, even finding that big wave takes a lot of math. So most of them when the waves when they're not surfing or home on their laptops, downloading data and feeding them into models. So then what does that how does that carry over into discussions of things? I can sure. And and you you have a conversation with them about the Peltzman effect. What is the Peltzman the Peltzman effect is that when you feel safer you take more risk? So. And not only that in addition to the Peltzman effect is that any talk a lot about risk management to wolf's both insurance and hedging, but it's interesting about them is that they can always be flipped around to take more risk. So you can use. Like an option as an insurance against stock price falling to lart, but you could also use it to take more leverage in double down on your risk. And that's what they're doing a lot with the surfing technology. Like, I mentioned the guy who's sort of the risk. Ru was when we got. Jetskis too big wave surfing and jet skis are very similar stock options in that way. And that they're used initially. There were brought in insurance if you wipe out there's someone there to rescue you can rescue from drowning, but they can also be used to push you on bigger waves. So the existence of jet skis both enables more risk and also makes people feel comfortable taking more risk in. This is a big concern to the surf community initially. It was leashes now then it was just skews. Now, it's inflatable. This is that all these people are going to be taking these bigger risks, and exposing everyone to more risk because if you get caught out, you know, it takes resources away from other people, you know, it can just be dangerous having someone doesn't know what they're doing on the water. So really what we did we decide around sat around with these surfers in a conference room debated systemic risk. So there are multiple other chapters cover things like poker playing and kind of emotional investing in. God war war and battle and unexpected events the cruise ship, you know. You know industry ton of stuff, but all equally fascinating in the details that you bring to bear. How did you get interested in risk and economics, more, generally? I'd always been interested in economics. I think a lot of economists I grew up in a community that had a by modal income distribution people were either upper middle class or very poor. And this was in stores, Connecticut, uconn is exactly and I was I think unusual Ned professional parents, but was multigenerational there. So as a bit more of a connection to the poor students. So I think the fact that why was poverty so persistent with something that really haunted me as a kid. And that in never understood Keynesian economics. So well, did you come to any kind of Eureka moment of why was it? Because people didn't understand risk where was. All kind of. I know I have have a lot of thoughts. As to why my community, I grew up in is has the problems. It does. I think there's a lot of we see this a lot now, which is very troubling everywhere is there's a lot of embiid's about growth and progress anytime, you know, you have this huge. I grew up in a big market failure. Which I think is very common amongst a lot of economists. Which is you have this community that really everyone likes to talk now about oh if you have a university, that's automatic growth mural. It really isn't it can help. It's definitely especially you have a community that used to be a lot of factories that shut down, and then you have this huge university. Like, there's no reason why stores shouldn't be like Ann Arbor and a lot of ways. But it's not because you have a community that's very resistant to change when people want to build anything there. It gets shut down. And any sort of development, people were Rivera wary of and I think that is a big reason why they perpetuate so much poverty there. So how did you go from being interested in comics to be interested in risk? And so for some reason, even as a twenty year old I was really fascinated by retirement, which I've never really seen as an old person problem, which is this whole idea of how you turn money today into money in the future and how you do that. And how you make these decisions which is a very interesting question to me 'cause it's sort of the pure pure civil questions and economics. So I did my PHD in macro public finance, which is generally wear public personal finances. Ended up in economics reasons that I don't understand. But it was more of a macro perspective. And then after grad school, I ended up working with Robert Merton who a famous financial communist in. He taught me finance, and I was just like. Wow. So I started thinking about risk it. How it relates to value? And anyway, seen finance before I never really realized that was was about. And then it was just this huge intellectual weakening for me of this is a better way to understand the economy. It's more rigorous is more interesting. We've got more data, and it just has all the answers. I was always looking for are you when you look forward when I think Alex the organization of American legislative exchange community, or whatever they just came out with an annual report about how how much in unfunded liabilities for public pensions. Are we hear all the time about underfunded private pensions? We are we is that is Berg on the horizon going to sink the Titanic here. I don't know. It's definitely a risk. I think the thing is about pensions that drives me crazy is, you know, people say underfunded pension is like you don't know how it's going to go. Odds are a lot of states and cities are going to need some sort of bailout either that or services are going to have to be cut to individuals or taxes are gonna have to go way up in a lot of places that are underfunded or the places that are already losing people run to this the state of Illinois or the city of Chicago, certain California cities. Yeah. Or in Michigan? There's always that negative cycle. Right. Where it's the people who script the most in need the most help. But there's they have fewer resources. It's going to be very interesting. How it plays out because the federal government so far has been very adamant they're not going to step in because then will just the iceberg will totally take the Titanic down, but they might have to and it's going to be it's disturbing to watch especially as the states and cities continue to be responsible and probably from policy. I assume just be because of the way politics up that it's going to be the worst. Of all possible worlds. So people will take massive haircuts tax payers will kick in more. And we'll probably finally have a glorious explosion of inflation. Right. That we've been worried about for decades. It's interesting as you know, you can't cut benefits unless you're in bankruptcy. And so you you bring up a good point, which is the way they're kind of doing back door cuts is by getting rid of the collec- sentence like the cost of living increases because in a lot of states. They're finding that. That's a nice loophole of you can cut benefits by taking care of inflation. But because in has been so low, I so long people are sort of not really, caring. But if inflation goes up that's going to really bite besides a Merton who are some of your intellectual heroes. Let me think we'll definitely Merton is a big one. You know, I am a big fan of Joel milkers work. He's an economic historian deliver of riches, and who he's he's I don't know if he's techno optimists, but he certainly techno determinist off to miss for. Sure. I mean, he he talked to him. And he is just so excited for everything. That's coming out said crisper is going to be amazing. Do you do you worry in that context? And he's I guess a university of Chicago, right? An economic historian as written a number of books about how technology changes things, do you worry at all about you were mentioning before? But just kind of when we get to a post scarcity world where affectively housing food medical care is kind of taken care of like well that and or is is that what we're starting to see a kind of crisis of what do we do all day because all we're doing symbolic acting really more than two that really. Yeah. I think people always want more. I mean, if you. Think about it. So we'll never have a post scarcity world because people will always want more. So they're the least like all we needed was food the our expectations for what it is. We need are always increasing. I mean, it used to be pretty happy. If you had food and live till thirty. But now we want better at more intense celebrity photos, so you chose not to pursue. I mean, you have a PHD you chose not to pursue a traditional academic route. Why why not because that's kind of risky, right? I mean, you know, like anonymous is unusual in that. Usually getting an academic job in most fields like winning the lottery but economics super rational. So there's actually enough academic of jobs. If you go to a good school. But you know, I mean, I went to graduate school right out of undergrad. And I just was going all my interviews. And I just desperately didn't want to be there. So I definitely drove my whole committee. Crazy graduated without a job and ended up at the economist run and how. Did you know an end the economists in particular given its name and its lineage did you find it's known as a kind of champion of classical liberal analysis and whatnot. Did you find in journalism that even business writers are economics writers are particularly interested in economics or knowledgeable about that some more than others? You know, it depends. I think it's like anything I think even some academic. Economists are very narrow minded what do you have a politics or an ideology that informs your your your economics or where you look for stories. No. I mean, I I like to do is. I think I if there's one thing I believe in its markets. Like, I love markets. I believe they work as I grew up in a market failure. So I think if so you also admit that they fail it touch. Of course. But why they fail is an interesting question. Sometimes you have these naturally occurring things that make you know, Mark, it's hard to be competitive sometimes often, you have distortions, they keep them from functioning. I mean, if if I just believe markets were perfectly economists have no job to do. But I do think generally markets more often than not have this quirky way of working that I find fascinating. Is there an excellent is there an explanation for that kind of like hierarchy and diffusion of knowledge or or an ability to that markets allow us to harness all of the scattered information? People and humans have an innate need to make their lives better and try for more and to make themselves useful. I mean for me markets are like water. So that you can throw a big boulder in the stream, but it's just gonna find a way to go around it might be less efficient because I had to go around it. So I think what drives me is journalists and as an economist in his always in with the one common thread is I dislike exploring how they work and how they work when there's hurdles and how to do so natural hurdles come up. If you can leave people with one bit of advice about risk other than buying your book. Of course, an economist walks into a brothel and other unexpected places to understand risk. What would what would your advice be? It'd be to take more risks. But be about the ones you take. Can you explain that a little bit because I think we tend to think about risk and very binary terms. Like, either of us take our you're not like either you're serving native foot wave mindlessly or you're sitting at home watching that flex, but really we need risks to improve our lives. Like, you're you're never gonna get anywhere in life. You'll never have a satisfying relationship. You'll never have a great career unless you take some risks. But if you take risks in a smart way, you know, it's not a guarantee things are gonna work out. There are no guarantees, but you can increase your odds of success by a lot. Well, we'll leave it there. Thank you so much and we've been talking with Allison Schrager. She's an economist who writes for courts, and she's the author of the excellent new book and a communist walks into a brothel and other unexpected places to understand risk. Thanks for talking. This has been the reason podcast. I bend your hosts Nicolette Spey, thanks for listening. Please subscribe to us at Google at apple at reason at Spotify or anywhere. You get your podcasts up.

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Episode 116: Jessica and the Bunny Ranch

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Episode 116: Jessica and the Bunny Ranch

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You know, I pay taxes, but it does not say sex worker escort on my tax return. How do you pay taxes? I file consultants I have CPA who knows what I do, which is great makes it a lot easier to not have to justify certain expenses and things. He's also worked with other sex workers tie got the recommendation. And actually, I wanna pay taxes. I wanna have. Clean monies. I can I can do things with my money, you can't cash is great. If you wanna go shopping, but you can't invest in your 4._0._1._K or your brokerage account or buy a house with with cash. She's typically paid by an online transfer LLC if it's a very large amount clients wire, the money, and when she does accept cash. She is specific instructions put it in an envelope. Don't handed to her directly put it in a book or an gift bag. I have had clients, like, you know, we'll we'll meet at in the lounge of hotel or something. And they'll very undisguisedly Hanmi, even just cash or something, I that's someone's that could be that to me is, like, okay, this feels like this could be a sting of someone's watching that happen. That's like I'm incriminating myself Saul just walk away from that. But it it doesn't happen too often. But is there any price negotiation or, or your prices sad at this is what the hourly? Rate is are what my requirements are like it or don't like it. The only negotiation for me is with multiday trips. You know, if we're going somewhere great that I wanna go to. And, you know, if it's for a lot of days, I'm not gonna charge the same day rate for everything. But for me. No, my, my, this is why I like being an escort, not a sugar baby or anything else. It's it, it removes. I don't have any hustle. I tried stripping for a little bit. And it is I just I don't have that it's much easier for me to have this website. And those are my prices and take them or leave them. I hope purpose is to maximize income and minimize time. So the work smarter, not harder sort of thing. But I have have a monthly goal for myself and when I meet that goal, then don't take on any more work. A book came out last year called revolting prostitutes written by to sex workers. Molly smith. Juneau MAC in the introduction. They write sex workers are everywhere where your neighbors, we brush past you on the street. Our kids go to same schools, as yours were behind you at the self service checkout, the baby food, and a bottle of Pinot Gratiot, although were everywhere. Most people know little about the reality of our lives. I'm Phoebe judge. This is criminal. Jessica became curious about sex work when she was twenty she was in college, and she and her roommate would watch his show on HBO called cat house. A reality TV show about one of the only legal brothels in the United States. The bunny ranch Moses at the bunny ranch later in the show. Jessica says she was fascinated by the whole thing. Yeah. So we I was living with my roommate, we would watch these shows and then one day, she went on Craigslist, and went to the erotic services section back when that existed. And she found the world of Roddick massage, which is essentially can get a hotel room and give them a massage and then usually some form of a happy ending at she's like I could do that. It's like I could do that. We felt safe because we were together, and she eventually, you know, decided to stop doing it, and I decided to sort of Ford, Ford, and ultimately, I became an escort that when your friend decided not to continue. On with the work after while, but you did what, what did you like about it? What did you what intrigued you in? What were you hoping to do next? I did like the sort of. You know, adventures component of it felt very like, I was part of this underworld's that, you know, no one really knew about. And that was exciting and thrilling. I guess I didn't really have a plan. I was going to school. It was a great way to make I mean I could make a, you know, could wait tables and make what I would make it a in like an hour or two doing doing this Roddick massage work. So that was, obviously a huge incentive Jessica's next up was to go back to Craigslist and begin researching escort agencies. She says she was curious. So she wrote to an agency and set up a phone call with the manager. It was a woman, Jessica said, she felt comfortable so they arranged a meeting, and it was just more of an opportunity to for her to sort of look at me. And she asked me, you know, do you know what the work is without being explicit? And I said, yes, she said great. What name do you wanna go by? And that was it. And then she, she had well established business has shed a lot of clients, and I only saw people that she had worked with before. So that was one of my rules at the time was. Oh, new clients, because I felt safer knowing that they had seen other women in her agency. And at that point, it was she got thinking about twenty five percent, and I kept the rest at varied a little bit. But my rate then was between two sixteen three hundred hour which I thought was fantastic. And yet it seemed seems like a good thing. I did that for pretty long time just because it was easy. Eventually, Jessica realized she could go out on her own and work independently leaving the escort agency men that you'd have to do all of our own marketing, and she wouldn't have anyone to help her find or vet perspective clients, but it also meant she would get to keep all the money for the last five years who's been working for herself. Tell me about the screening process, and how important it is. It is very important for me. I will not meet some unless they follow my protocol, exactly. I'm lucky enough to be able to be a stickler about that. The screen process in general, is some combination of asking for references, which means who have you seen before. So they'll give me I ask for two usually, they'll give me the names in websites of some women that they've met at this point have been in the industry long enough. Right. At least recognized a lot of people on a visual basis seeing their name. But, you know if I don't go to their website. I suspect if the references seem legitimate, you know to they have a presence, do they have a social media presence for the Twitter. The interacting with the people does it seem like people have met them. So I sort of have to vet the reference. And then if they've seen personal friends of mine, or people, I know well enough in the industry, that's usually enough for me personally, but sometimes they don't have a reference or just don't feel great about them. And so then I asked for their employment information. And that generally means I have them Email me from their work account to an unpublished in box of mine. So say it's, you know, Goldman Sachs or some things, so then they're sort of like this paper trail, and it's, you know, it's not associated with me directly, but it's sort of like. It creates a sense of accountability. And it also proves that this is the person. I'm speaking to, you know, have on my website, sending me a Lincoln profile, or telling me to do is not the same as identification verification. You, you can say you're Warren Buffett, but that doesn't mean you're him, so I need to sort of suss that out, and then occasionally, I will ask for a photo ID and a selfie just to compare the photos, and that's, that's sort of the overview of screening. So you work together. So when you're saying references, you're saying references from other women who have experienced with him. Correct. Yes. So they will tell me you know most of the time, it's just I guess had seen him he save. Or no. I haven't this is a fake reference. Sometimes look into more detail they can tell me about his, you know, his hygiene if he was late. But, you know, a lot of our work is. Is, is networking to we work together? We offer what we call the industry duos or two of us will see a client together or trios, or Morrison's, so. Yeah. We, we refer clients to each other. We share them. They always say that a networking Trump's advertising any day. You know, it's a weird world anyways because of all the stigma and legal issues attached to it. So having a community is so important for me everywhere I go, I can find a friend to have tea. You know, when I went to Japan, I was able to go on Twitter and find some people in the industry, and we got dinner in connected and managed to, you know, get a client through that situation in it, just it's, it's nice does it for one in your life. Know about your work and the industry. You're in. No, most people to all of my friends, do most of my family does there's sort of this. There's a bit of a donuts. Don't tell policy with like my parents. They found out a couple of years ago, I was outed and word got back to them. And when they sort of confronted me about it, I did sort of a cow, neither confirm nor deny my sister knows. She is wonderful and very supportive. And so she's, she's now, the gated some of the, you know, when I first moved to New York my to the quiet, why did she do that again? She was just sort of, like, let's just agree that we love her, and we don't ask questions, and they're like, okay, and I'm not close enough with my, the people who don't know that it's worth it for me. But everyone that I truly care about how they great relationship with definitely know what are questions that you hate being asked when you tell someone for the first time. One of my least favorite questions is have I out weirdest? You have none. You have is what's the weirdest thing or the grossest thing or invoking some kind of trauma? They're trying to get me to share trauma with them. And I always find that to be a horrible question, and it's indicative of like the stigma. The idea of what people think sex work is. I guess I really hate that question. You said that you've been clients even people who are involved in the industry. Sometimes they can have a limited perspective. I had a client who said like oh, but like how do you date. And that's, that's also actually a pretty horrible question is, though, because of my work, I'm undefeatable. And I you know, I've got actually, you know, I'm married and just like if, if there was a peekapoo a visual of, you know, the head exploding that was what this guy looked like. And he was silent for like a minute. And I sort of poked joke. Does like. Yeah. That's a little surprising. I guess. Just like I just I can't I can't imagine. And then he didn't wanna see me again, because I was married, which was also sort of interesting and implies this sort of, like, you know, I'm owned by another, man. So they can't seem even though I they intellectually. No, I see. Many men is my work. I don't know. We tell me about your clients. Who is who, who are you spending time with what is the range? There's, there's definitely a range. There's an average. But there's a raid Schmidt youngest client was. Nineteen year old's who hired me and another girl who spoke retail manager, some clothing store. I don't know how he got the finances to see us that I'll never forget him. He's sweet. And my oldest client was probably my first client. He was. Well into his eighty s if not early nineties, but I would say my average client is someone in his early fifties weights. Upper middle class. To wealthy. I mean I'm not seeing the Uber wealthy but certainly I have clients, who have given me, six figures a year. Cumulatively it's nothing to stay that. And yeah, they just they some of them are pretty dedicated to me, and don't see anyone else. Some of them, see me in a couple of my friends are what we call hobbyists in the industry, where they want to meet a bunch of different girls and have different experiences. You know you have to deal with a lot of ego. You have to deal with a lot of. A navigator water sometimes for people if they're news of the world or unit, they're not they're just they're just new to you in there used to things a certain way. And you know, once the clock is up for me. I have used. I've liked budgeted my, my resources and my energy for that time, a lot of work, but I love it. I always feel really energize after after having a session. She says she's working at a level. Now more she doesn't seek many new clients. She has regulars and dedicated income coming in each month. She travels for work. Sometimes many times a month, but traveling internationally can pose problems a few years ago? She was traveling from New York to Canada, she landed at midnight, then when she got immigration, they were waiting for her, that her website, printed out. They showed at her and said, this is you. They detained her for eight hours and then sent her back to New York she was prohibited from going back to Canada for a year Jessica's an advocate for the decriminalization of sex work, which is different from legalization. Here's the difference legalization means sex work would not be against the law, but it would be closely regulated and subject to restrictions. Decriminalization also means suck. Is work would not be the law, but it wouldn't be regulated basically would be treated like every other kind of work. Amnesty International the United Nations, and the World, Health Organization have all recommended decriminalization. But at the moment, there's only one place in the United States where people can sell sex services legally, the legal brothels of rural Nevada. The law is tricky, it's regulated by county brothels are not legal all over the state. They're prohibited in counties that include Las Vegas and Reno, but rural counties with a population under seven hundred thousand get to decide for themselves whether or not to allow brothels. Oh, and here's a first sign that says, bunnies at play, like a road sign. To rabbits on top of each other. And it says bunnies that play we've visited the moonlite bunny ranch. Loser tumbleweeds. This is what a tumbleweeds. We'll be right back. Support for criminal comes from simplisave SimpliSafe protects your whole home every window room endure with twenty four seven monitoring for just a fraction of the cost. There's no contract hidden fees or fine print, a SimpliSafe security system is designed to blend right into your home. No wires. No drilling. 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And then the invite them to apply to your job right now, criminalists centers can try ZipRecruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash criminal. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash criminal ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Oh, my name is Alice little, and I'm a legal sex worker here at the moonlite bunny ranch would is the moonlite bunny ranch. The moonlite bunny ranch is a legal brothel out in one of the rural counties of Nevada, where located in mound house, Nevada, which is the unincorporated adjacent town to Carson city, Nevada about forty five minutes away from Reno, so not completely desolate, the moonlite bunny ranch. Looks like an old wild west building that's been painted pink, you press a buzzer at the gate after being buzzed in. We were greeted by very big man wearing an HBO hat he handed us brochures and asked if we were there to see anyone in particular, there's a living room and a bar with a pink neon sign that says bunny bar. Alice little has worked here since. Two thousand seventeen and is often described as the highest earning legal sex worker in the country. She was born in Ireland in a big family and grew up in New York City and on Long Island. She worked as a jockey at Belmont racetrack for a little while. She's four feet. Eight inches tall. She says she's always been curious about sex, everything about it. Her parents never gave her the so called sex talk. So she says she learned a lot from the internet. She became especially interested in Beedi SM when I was living in New York City as an adult on my own, I had to of course, have roommates like so many do when you live in New York City in our fresh out of college, you can't afford anything so myself and my multiple roommates who were sharing space together come to find out that one of them was employed by their parents. Private be D SM dungeon in New York City like this is fresh out of fifty shades here. I was like, what you mean. Your parents own a secret. Sex dungeon, I want in and I nagged my roommate until I was eventually given a front desk, physician and eventually I was given the responsibility of coordinating the education schedule. So it was on the phone with educators, all across the country, setting up all of these different classes. And well, I was given the opportunity to get this world class kink education from all of these people flying in from all over the world. And eventually, I was asked to teach a class of my own for the dungeon. One person saw me present an invited me to speak at another conference. And so I was invited somewhere else and before long I was eventually invited to the Beedi SM conference in Rome, really crazy stuff and through that avenue, I came across another sex educator, that just so happen to be employed at a little place, known as the moonlite bunny ranch. She shared her experiences at this location with me, and I was all in. It pretty much was a seventy two hour decision from the time that I thought about applying from the time that I booked my first plane ticket to come out and do a two week tour. To known about the bunny ranch growing up. I certainly had an idea I may or may not have snuck out of bed when I was a child to watch the HBO cat house series, pleading the fifth here, don't want to get myself in trouble, love you mom, but, oh, I definitely knew what the bunny ranch was. And I was like, Ooh, I remember that place. And I wanted to be a part of that I wanted to be a part of the experience. What was it like when you first got here to tell me about the first the two week tour when of the things that the ranch does to help the ladies, get acclimated to their new career is to partner them up with a more experienced lady who kind of axes, her big sister and mentor. She helps you negotiate your first few experiences. Learn about the different experiences that you can choose to offer as well as let you know what your rights are as illegal sex worker, we're we sitting right now. We're we're are we right now? We are in my private suite on the bunny ranch property, which is located slightly off of the main house because I'm available by appointment, only I don't need to hear the lineup bell, which is how the ladies know that we have company in the parlour else little appears to have some kind of seniority around here. She only sees one client a day. She's two horses that live at the ranch. Her sweet is away from the main building, because she doesn't participate in the lineup so what'll lineup as is means that company has come into the parlor, and is looking to mix and mingle with all of the currently available. Ladies a Bellas press to let the ladies know that, hey, we have company, the ladies, then come out from their rooms or wherever they are on the property out to the parlor, where they all stand in a row with their hands clasped behind their back in go down one by one introducing themselves by name. So if I were in lineup I'd say, hi. My name's Alice little at that point, the gentleman, or gentlewoman is then encouraged to reach out to the lady of his or her choosing, and then take a tour of the property. That's where we then go and explore the bar in parlor area, typically share with them where the ladies kitchen is introduce them to my horses after we go through the tour. We then return back to the lady. As room where she sits down with her guest and talks about what they would like to do with their time together. And how long they would like to spend together keep in mind that the lady chooses to take that gentleman on tour if she's picked by someone that she is not comfortable with she's able to do a warm hand off to another coworker. An excuse herself politely from the situation, if we woman that works at the bunny ranch has to register with the county sheriff's office and you can't register to work in a legal brothel, if you have a criminal record the women are also required by law to be tested for us. Is according to Nevada law, sexual services and money may only be discussed in person at the brothel rates cannot be posted online or disgust online, or by phone, it almost happened in person. So, for instance, if a guest chooses one of the sex workers from the lineup they go back to her room and negotiate. When a price is agreed upon. They go to see the bunny ranch cashier called the Hooker Booker the industry standard. At this time is a fifty fifty contractual split between the legal sex worker, and the brothel. Additionally, each Rockall location, charges, a menial amount of money per day, kind of room and board expense. It covers your lights your electric food, the laundry, it's cetera in two thousand eighteen a former Madam TJ Moore told the New Yorker that the brothel keeps a close tally of every expense every condom tampon, an hamburger Patty, she says it can absorb your whole cut. So are you're rates is every woman's rates different. Oh, yes. Every single lady is an independent contractor as such every. One's rates are different Alice, little such aims to bring an eighty four thousand dollars a month, including at least one overnight client for what she charges twenty thousand dollars. She says most of the time her clients are men, but not always, I've recently started seeing single straight women that are interested in learning more about their bodies. They've never been taught how to pleasure themselves how to shop for a sex toy. How do I actually, please? My partner in the bedroom. Those are the kinds of questions that single women are coming to me with, and I'm making experience happen for them that are more educationally focused or more exploration focused if they're instead coming here to learn about their own bodies. It's incredible. We see men that are as young as the age of eighteen and all the way into their eighties. We see couples we see gentlemen, that are virgins who have never had. X before. And we also see individuals that have maybe lost their partner that are widows after their spouses passed away. There really is. No, stereotype for who is the client of illegal sex worker. I always joke that like a magician I make fantasies come to life. And this is the unique space that Salunke comfortable communicating with me. We can make something really cool happen. Some of us are more open than others. Absolutely. So many people learn how to feel about sex from their parents or from religious leaders, we base our perceptions of how we should feel about sex, and intimacy based off of how our parents react, when you get new information, or learn something, you have to be able to reevaluate, what your opinion of that is oftentimes when I asked someone why are you against the Galizien sex work? They're not able to actually answer my question. They've never actually asked themselves, white, am I against this instead, they've internalized of feeling or a belief and convince themselves that this is reality that, oh, no. These women might be forced or coerced or trapped. But the reality is we all choose to be here. There's actually a waiting list of ladies that want to come in work here. And there simply aren't enough opportunities to pass around to everyone. What's a bad day at work here for you? Oh, god. A bad day at work for me is finding a tarantula underneath my bed true story. They opened up the doors of my sweet because they were repainting my room and I guess, a tarantula had come in from outside underneath my bed came in here to grab my coffee mug, and holy crap tarantula. And so I hit my panic button, all of the rooms at the ranch have a panic button in them in case of emergency in all reality that is still the one and only time that I've had a hit my panic button buzz because there was a spider, and I wasn't dealing with it. But there's really not bad days at work in the traditional sense. I I love my job. And because I choose what I do. I don't have to do anything that I don't like so you don't have a bad day at work on this. You wanna have a bad day at work, I guess, for someone like you who. Is. You're so clear and direct about how this work is empowering. How this work is allowing you to choose your schedule what you want to do explore, your body's, what do you say to another woman who might be saying no, this is objectify women? This is pushing us backwards. I mean, what, what does it make you feel when, when you have confronted with all the other things people will say, especially women about sex work. Oh, boy, you dissected my trap guard. I've got quite the rant when it comes to being genuine ally to sex workers. It starts with listening to what they are saying, you can't be an advocate, or an allied to them. If you're speaking over them and missing the context of what they are saying, if legal sex workers are telling you actually I love my job, and I'm in powered by it. I want to work here you should instead stay. Okay. Well, how can I help you what assistance, do you need the biggest difficulty that I have as a sex worker, is that nobody wants to listen to me? Nobody actually is looking to talk to me. The media is constantly talking about me, but they very often failed to actually reach out and talk to a legal sex worker directly. You're not an ally when you talk over us and put your negative assumptions on us. And. What I've learned is that you have to listen to people and help them in the way that they want to be helped we asked her why she chooses to be here at the bunny ranch instead of working on her own. Well, I've only ever worked as a legal sex worker, I've never done, independent sex work, or illegal sex work with that being said, I do think that there should be an option legally in this country that allows for women to work independently through a legal system at this time in America all legal sex workers have to be licensed three way Nevada brothel and work associated with that brothel. But that's not true internationally in New Zealand. They have a legal system that allows for both legalised brothel work as well as legalized independent work where the ladies are able to set up their own inculcation and are able to set their own appointments and schedule themselves. However they so choose I do think we need an option here in the states, that allows for women to work legally independently. It is criminalized industry. And as such they definitely will go after you. If you choose to work in an non-associated capacity the bunny ranch was owned for more than twenty years by man named Dennis Hof. He published an autobiography called the art of the pimp there photos of Dennis Hof and various celebrities posted all around the ranch. Governor Jesse Ventura, Larry Flint, carrot top Vince Neal for motley Crue much is interesting because Vince, Neal was charged with battery in two thousand three for grabbing a bunny ranch sex worker, by the throat and throwing her against a wall. He pled, no contest. Over the years. Dennis Hof was repeatedly accused of sexually assaulting his employees and refusing to wear a condom. It's unclear why he was never prosecuted. But reporters have noted that Dennis Hoff's brothels, generated a lot of revenue for these rural counties. Former NBA player Lamar Odom overdosed and one of Dennis Hoff's brothels in two thousand fifteen. He recently stated that he did not intentionally ingest any drugs and accused Anna's Hof of trying to kill him. Dennis Hof died last year of a heart attack just after his seventy second birthday party, one month later, Nevada voters elected into the state assembly posthumously. What about the negative stuff that when you hear the negative things have been said about Dennis Hof here? What do you say to the criticism, that has come out of this place? Women who have worked here, but also all of the criticism, that's been said about the man who was running this place. What's your answer to that? I can only speak to my first hand experiences, I by no means spent twenty four seven with Dennis Hof. So I don't know what Dennis often twenty four seven and for me to say that I know what he did one four seven would be ally. Instead, all I can do is speak to the person that I interacted with and in my experience. He was nothing. But wonderful. He was a very well, educated mentor, a very sad. Vy businessman who really used the early instances of reality TV to his advantage, and I never experienced anything that would be indicative of anything negative the brothels of rural Nevada aren't just criticized because of Dennis Hof in our last episode. We spoke with a former sex worker named Celia gentilly. She's trans and grew up in Argentina in the nineteen seventies, she's been arrested and even sexually assaulted by police. We wanted to get her take on these legal brothels is fine. I think is great have spaces where like, you know, people can do six or think is places like the department Runge is like. Who, who works there? Right. The, the ideas of beauty are, you know, so terribly policed by. Owners the you know, if you know can you work at the mine runs. If you are in your fifties in Europe have the perfect body and your knob blond, and white. I don't think I don't think places like the, the, the bunny ranch is, is, is open to bodies and races in legal status and. Ages. You know, I think those places are okay if you are young skinny blonde, white. So those places are. Targeted to a specific group of six workers. Right. Which is great that they have a place. But you know, if you know did you see a transverse on in the Runge? No. Did you see a fat woman in the Runge? No. So is that kind of legalized sex work open to every sex worker, I guess dancers? No. So I'm not against it. But that's one of the problems of legalization back, you know. A puts power over, you know, the, the owner of the ranch into who you're going to hire when decommunisation is just open to everybody that has the do sex. Something that Sacira and Jessica and Alice, also to us was that well sex is obviously part of the job. And it's the part, outsiders are most curious about the real work has nothing to do with the sex. Alice little says her most requested encounter is the so called girlfriend experience a more involved kind of attention from her holding hands long conversations texting the reality is, is that sex makes up about two percent of what I actually do sex isn't the focus intimacy is. That's what people are coming to the bunny ranch for. It's never been the sex that never will be the sex sexist comments sex Sex's everywhere you can go to the bar and have sex if he wants to. Why do you think there's such a shame and fear against us idea of sex work? I think that sex in this country for so long has been tied to the concept of marriage that sex marriage, always go hand in hand, and as such people are taken aback, by the idea that this can be monetize, or there is a value to the labor that women are doing when they're intimate with someone people, I think, have this negative perception of monetize ING sex because they don't see the value in the labor that women are actually doing when a woman is being communicated intimate with the non experienced partner in his focusing on them helping them teaching them. That's there's value to that. That's that's work. And I don't think people truly understand what it is that people are buying when they come to illegal sex worker. They assume that they're buying sacks there. They're paying for a blow job, you know, dollars for minutes. But that's just not the case they're coming to buy something that's intangible this emotion, essentially, they're coming an experiencing connection. 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Since we last talked to this guy as predicted each point eight fifty with aviation expert. Jay ratliff on news talking fifty w. f. t. l. Ladies and gentlemen. I think both of these stories jag morning by the way both of these stories have been longtime in the making. Let's start with this one. I think the airlines have been working on this for a while and maybe they used less passengers to get it done. But the service animals had been tightly defined on the airlines. They have been and thank you to the department of transportation for an early christmas present because basically they're saying that service animals which are dogs dogs. Only that are highly train service animals. They are can still accompany passengers. That are traveling free of charge. However at that point anything past that that's an emotional support. Animal now falls under a pet basically umbrella which basically has passengers now paying for those animals. They have to be small enough to fit in in a carrier underneath the seat. In front of you and Yeah you'll be paying a hundred and twenty five hundred and fifty whatever dollars each way as we did before. And there's a limited number of those that are allowed in each cabin. So if i want to take my pet. Komodo dragon was my little speciality. Pet that keeps me from jumping out of airplane. I have to pay. Even though he's going to be in a cage underneath might see you have to pay and unfortunately it has to be approved. Animal as well There's certain ones and it varies from airline to airline. As far as what is allowed and what is not but what this does it takes away the unbelievable task that was that fell upon the gate agents in ticket counter age to try to define what is or what is not an emotional support animal. And i'm very glad that that's been removed from the equation. Because look p people are bragging on this on social media on how they were scamming the airlines sticking it to them doing this doing that but the bottom line is all of this did nothing but diminish the importance of legitimate emotional support animals and that was one of the things that really bothered. A lot of people was that they were making a joke out of a very serious topic. True i gotta ask you though When my when. I was married to my husband. He had a little little horse was in a guide horse for a man who couldn't see so would that animals still be allowed on because i mean the guy was like seeing eye horse end. The papers were yeah. I mean it was. It was a little tiny thing i mean. It was like the size of doll support animals. It miniature horses were ones that were accepted by by the airlines as transport and one of the things that came about with the department of transportation. Not this past summer but the summer before they came out with guidelines that said yes. The miniature support horses were up an approved animal at that point in time and they said that they they said you couldn't have any more than three of them per passenger can gen. When i got really excited. It was august of two thousand and nineteen. The dot rose out their initial response to the emotional support. Animal mess that was ongoing. We were waiting and waiting and waiting for the faa or the department transportation to step in. And they did it. And it was such a week and watered. Watered-down attempt that you know we were hopeful for something else and when we came out they came up with the latest guidelines. I was very very pleased. Because what that did was it took away the guesswork and it really. It got some passengers and crew members out of danger. Yeah a lot of them are being bitten by these these animals that were supposed to be quote highly trained and it was really creating problems. Passengers were suing because they got bit on board flights. You had passengers. There were complaining. That said we're gonna fly the airline again. It was just a nonstop circus. That airlines were very reluctant to step in and say no. The reason being was because when you're dealing with a medical condition well you mean you're in some very uncertain waters there as far as what you can and cannot. Do you know what i think in. A public pressure really matters with this stuff to get the government going jay and to get these corporations going as we know i from our perspective. You know what it was that turned the public and made them aware of this issue. Do you remember the the emotional support ostrich mean bird. I think it was the laguardia. The lady tried to get him on. That's when dexter the peacock was but it was okay. We dexter the peacock that that's when that's when absurd became absurd absurd right and people said come on. That's the type. Though with the as crazy as the lady was the pig was yes that you know did its business. All over the floor and i'll is it was being brought in an dexter. You're right it. Was dexter the peacock that became the poster. Child of this in you know as the story goes and dexter so upset after not making that flight. He died whole. No i mean. That's the story. So she's are not the fact that interfere with a good story. That have you ever heard a peacock scream. You don't want that on a plane that is not not in a can read. Take the three year old throwing a temper. Tantrum makes me before. i'll take that school of a peacock player. Out of a plane agreed. So what happened. Did you do a follow up. You mentioned common sense. Yeah and that also played into a recent ruling from the fcc where they said we're not going to allow passengers to have cell phones to be used on planes and that was also some a good dose of common sense and a great deal of public input does said oh my god please please please no and flight attendants did not want to have to police that passengers did not want to so. Fortunately the fcc step down on that as well and we had that within the last couple of weeks. So we've we've had a couple of early christmas presents. What happened is steak man. They catch him. Oh yeah i. I don't know. I really haven't been following it that close but it's not yet popped up. But they knew who was because it was all over social media. So it's not like he was he was you know mission impossible trying to keep his identity. The whole thing was trying to secure some additional attention so the question is as it comes forth. What's he going to be charged with if anything and and goodness he he needs to be charged and it needs to be a very public thing as well so look into that. See if i can find out before next week what what are the ramifications and charges were because anybody that either does that or encourages that Needs to face some serious fines much more than just being banned for life from flying that particular airline which i believe in this case was delta. Well this may Cut through to ban as well. I think what's different with this story. We've had a lot of passengers kicked off airlines for refusing to wear a mask. This one's a little different. Because i think the airline was a frontier airlines flight. Cincinnati to tampa had the full support of what seemed to be everybody on the plane. When you have one person who says. I'm not going to follow the rules. Everybody on board the plane who has followed the rules is a little ticked. Because they're sitting there thinking. I don't want to wear this stupid mass right. I'm wearing it so put years on but this woman You know in cincinnati thought. It doesn't apply to me. Well you know it kinda does in the in the flight attendant or whoever's in the video that was interacting with the passenger is not a. Let's say highly paid individual. Because they're not but they handled it with such professionalism. I was so impressed. They simply tried to remind the woman. Look you're required to do it. That's part of the the rules. You agreed to those rules when you boarded the flight. you know. put on your mask. And it wasn't until the passenger started cussing the agent that it was like. Okay that's it. We're done Because you don't want let somebody on because what's going to happen. She'll put the mask on. it takes off. you'll take it off. And then they'll have to divert the flight somewhere so they got her off the plane but you know a lot of times from a security standpoint. Her check bags had to come off. So as a result that plane could have been delayed thirty forty minutes or an hour because of this one idiot and it's unfortunate but Yeah what i did my cincinnati things. This morning segments Yeah idiot was the word to be used. I hope she was listening. Because you know when when you're that selfish that you could care less about other people around you. I it's just. I don't understand why people think they're going to win the battle of masks when it comes to the airlines. You're not and you're going to be banned. You could face a. There's a lot of things that could come into play none of them good. So if you're not gonna wear the mask. Don't buy a ticket now. The flight was coming to tampa though she might be one of ours could be. That's true i don't know. This has more of cincinnati philly anyway tampa flavor. I'm probably a bengals fan. And she's probably is having a bad day. Who knows what what was going on. But the bottom line is that anytime that you do not abide by the instructions of a uniform crew member. It's considered a possible felony. And you don't want to go down that pad it's just. There's a lot of things. I've i've seen people do this. And they are fighting this in court in with fines for like the next five years and it. Just it's just not worth it not fun. We got thirty seconds. What airline wants to charge meter reserve the overhead compartments. Come on. i don't like this airline. Who does it. It's easy jet to low. Cost to carrier out of london base there that that basically in europe they say if you want the larger overhead storage been no problem. We're going to charge you extra for it if you want. Basically when you board your allowed to have that small little area underneath the seat in front of you that's your spot if your back is bigger than that then you're gonna have to pay extra to put your bag in the overhead storage compartment. My only surprise here is that this did take place with another airline before now. I predicted this like four years ago. So yeah it's an easy revenue stream for people and it's like look you carry more bags you're i. It's going to cost more fuel to carry you as a result you're gonna pay more and it makes sense because if we started the airline industry today everything would be based on how much you weighed. How much how many bags you're taking and the distance your destination. The problem is we flew for bags for free forever and then we started being charged for them and then it just kind of you know the the death by a thousand cuts type of thing and airlines are at this point trying to get as much money as they want and this tax revenue streams not unexpected. Great we're about like year away from all your one landing here an extra hundred. No you want a seat belt. Well good lord look at everything that happened in a week. Who knows what's going to happen in a week's time we would talk to you again. Jay ratliff i never boring. Never never even. If a slow week we will always have fun. Of course. of course we got Hook up to everything On jason formation also said day trade fun to it's on the morning show blog eight fifty w. f. t. l. dot com so. Well be safe out there. I mean you're in. You're in cincinnati. So careful i know you got a lot of angry bengals. Actually this week were in savannah. Yeah yeah all right. it's warmer and it's nicer and it's a the people here seem to be friendlier than those mask. anti mask choice savannah enjoyed. We'll talk any weeks or take a Coming up next. The pandemic is affecting walks of life in and trades. You know that right The highest paid legal prostitute in the. Us is suffering okay. We're going to go to the moonlite. Bunny ranch really coming up next telling me. She's got a gofundme page. Well here's the story of. You're not going to believe how much money she was making before. The pandemic okay. Right got a lot more coming up next south florida morning show gen a bill keeps talk. Eight fifty w. f. t. l. leased f- florida morning. Show this jenna bill. Beaner is over there and I would check out fifty w. f. t. l. dot com for some pretty good stuff on their first of all we'll and we'll describe it to you in the next segment. But the the buddy the elf on father reunion it is something to behold specially. Yeah when one doesn't know what the other ones about at that's the best part about it. Wow crazy Viral as they say though. Bill is the kids. Say if i was to meet my dad for the first time. I don't think i'd go into full buddy the out of it now. I'm well my dad would have been very much like this dead and then again he might have just turned around like you said it's just didn't really work out. God here's the update and stop. The steel is going to be a big big decision by s to be by eight. Am tomorrow. that's the deadline. It's been moved up from justice samuel alito of the supreme court on the pennsylvania lawsuit from two politicians. They're basically saying that. The mail in ballots Should be illegal because they never should have been approved in the first place. Yeah exactly right. So that means anything that was mailed. Wasn't that like ninety percent the votes in pennsylvania. It was some massive now. It was a lot of people. It was huge so that you know so. Then what do they do. Say lido comes back. And says we're gonna take this up and say the supreme court says that these mail in ballots are illegal. They can have a revolt because just think how many votes won't count at all because they were the male in still fed into the machines. So i i you know what at that point really. Don't know what they were doing. I hope that's not the reason. Why the supreme court would say it's too late too much of a mess wouldn't want to be involved. Yeah i can't watch. Some legal experts is saying by the way really that didn't want to get involved. It's not very so then. It goes back to the state. Legislatures that it it'll be all i think eventually. Anyway it's going to be up to the state legislatures according to rudy before. He announced that he had the covid. Wow he didn't interview yesterday. Said we're coming along with the state legislatures. It looks good in arizona. Looks good in In michigan and pennsylvania is coming along but then after the the covert announcement arizona. There secretary of state say well. We're going to close the. We're going to close the state house for a week. Yeah let's cova now. Well that's one way to get around it so discovered become their goto. Course you know this is one way we can avoid it and stretch it out until it beats a deadline of course so then you just walk. Beat the clock game. Yeah so it's interesting. I'm telling you they're deceitful bunch. You're not kidding. It's kind of crazy to watch. All right we know that the Pandemic blaming cova for everything is affected every industry right would just talk to jay ratliff about the airline industry and that's because the nickel and diming us. Well let's go to a place. We've talked about a lot on the show. The moonlite bunny ranch in nevada. Okay well remember what's his name. He passed away. Think dennis dennis off to bless his heart well. The highest paid legal prostitute in the us. Okay has sued and the nevada state government for shutting down brothels. Come on okay. So you said i was going to be shocked as to how much this woman made. We'll get to that hold on here. Is her lawsuit. Because she says it's so funny because it's like something like a small business owner say we'll be called everything else essential. I'll cook. They shut us down for some reason before the pandemic alice little was making one million dollars. A are you kidding me. Oh wow was. She liked the top bunny. i guess. Holy cow they call her. The highest paid legal prostitutes in the us. Home my goodness one million dollars a year. okay. I want to know what is it that i never mind. I'll go look. I want to ask that really dollars. And now she's not making anything. Unless you've got some of well. I mean what's to stop her. Yeah i couldn't do it out of her house works. But the basis of ra- lawsuit from lawyers is they kept. They called other things that weren't essential essential and yet they didn't call their business essential. Okay i don't know if they have much of a case that's kind of close contact there. Yeah well yeah. It's kind of hard right one million dollars a year So there's this running. Who's running the bunny ranch. These days dennis has been gone a couple of years. Now right and many years they could spend a couple of years. We used to ask him about any big event because everybody comes to vegas the bed on it told he told us a member of lamar odom and the in he said remember when. Oj got left out of prison. All the blondes in his in the bunny rent said we're not working. Don't bring him bring him here. No i was like wow. Who's a revolt. Yeah they wouldn't they didn't allow it was like holy cow and i'm sure alice the top bunny chime in on that one especially if she's a blunt god a million dollars yeah a million dollars sheath so is radio they were all right coming up next the latest on the the stop the steel event the ruling elitist on the results in highlights from the trump rally cabinet valdosta. And we need to tell the story about your favorite story. Buddy the elf here. I'm amazed worked out as well as it did. Actually with his father and son reunion. We get that a lot more. It's all coming up next south florida morning. Show this janna. Bill keeps going only fifty w. f. t. l. florida morning. Show let us not forget that Today's the anniversary of this thousand nine hundred twenty one date which will live in infamy. America was attacked The greatest generation stood up responded. Fought the war want it and then built the suburbs and then amazing. It's incredible way. Yeah it It's but today with the the whole memory. They're not even even people that were at pearl harbor and survived and are still alive are allowed at pearl harbor cheese for the ceremony. Because usually it's they bring back. You know the pearl harbor survivors. Right every year dwindles. I mean thing last time with like ten of them many now. They're so old. Now that's the thing. Uh man yeah. So they can't even progress the pate in today's Memorial and gently. They may not be here next year. It was like that guy. That was a great story that alabama that were us from alabama's one hundred four jeeze. He was clearly remembers world war two but he just got out of the hospital to celebrate his birthday. He beat cove it which you probably got in the hospital. Probably how old was he hundred four. Oh my goodness listen to this. His daughters telling the story at the end of it. You're gonna hear the the whole it was really nice the entire hospital staff. It sounds like wishing him happy birthday when he's getting wheeled out spring so much happiness to everybody and just seeing everybody and their reaction to him just makes you very proud to call him your grandfather and just love him so much ship. Suri appreciate it. But he's probably also gary there go home. You're probably right my my dad. You know in his older days as you say there's no filter and you know what is to. He used to always look at me and he'd say you know what he goes when you're my age life in prison doesn't mean anything. Okay whatever you say he goes. I am ninety an hour. When i realized okay. Wow coli there is no filter. Oh my god whatever he thought just came out and then sometimes it was so embarrassing. It'd be like oh. God that's dumb so i can't wait for that. That's going to be great. Oh god no. Because some of the thing it was traditionally you would involve a pretty waitress. Unfortunately and i'd be like dad. You can't say that. why not. She's got a nice rack. that'd be like dead. You can't say that it would just blurt out it's great. No it's not. it is humid. Then you gotta find yourself apologizing people all day. That's all i ever did was apologize. Sorry you stole start life and you end life with no filter because a little kid will say the same kind of thing. They're thinking so true just blurted out. They don't care so we should all be and fortunately in the event that happens to you and it's an older gentleman Just laugh because they really don't understand what they're doing. At least my father did all he did but he didn't care a black but don't point at them hello there a consultancy like that. No they don't don't take them off now or you're gonna hear a lot of Lot of updates from the state legislatures the whole weekend to talk about things. Talk about things over. Are they going to gather arizona secretary of state as we're going to close the legislature for a week because a cove this while the the the lawmakers were going to meet to decertify the votes. Isn't that could be. Why can't they meet zoom meeting and they will now. So i mean he's out of the piggly-wiggly if they want to it doesn't matter it's like stop so you know they're gonna just keep on throwing up. These roadblocks i of course they are no. I hope they just go around. The roadblock and georgia's useless feckless governor. Brian kemp says i don't want the legislature to choose their own electors doesn't matter you're you're just you're just not even in the way you're nothing. They'll decide what to do on their own. Yeah get out of the way and if he says one more time i called for the the you now recount. Useless he really. You're lying as what you're doing. You're not take scary isn't it. Yeah really is and Hopefully we're waiting on another decision today. So this antrim county thing. That's already decided trump's legal team. This is michigan real to forensically. Look at a lot of the dominion voting machines. We'll get the results tonight or tomorrow. Sydney powell goes before the georgia supreme court today in three four three georgia counties to look at their voting machines. Well one of the one she's looking at is right outside of valdosta. It's just easy to search. Should be interesting to see but In are these areas of the machines. Because i would assume the ones. They get a michigan in antrim. 'cause it's it's upper michigan. It's way up there I would assume it's a republican county. Because and they probably willingly gave them the machines because it didn't come on a detroit while they got a. You're right you got a some sort of judge. That sees their side to agree with that. You're right so and and these counties in georgia. I wonder if they're mostly republican county. So i don't know but still can they look at machine say a machine has not been tampered with that it was done. Everything was done legitimately but can they look at that machine and say this is how you could program it to fix an election. Yes yes here's how they were all compromised. Maybe they can look into the larger system on a whole because they were we know now. They're all online. We we understand this right. They were on the internet. Is this voting. Machines aren't supposed to be. I mean this is pretty much been proven right. We that much. But now that forensically proven there are couple of reports out this morning then a very small county called wear county in georgia. That's outside of l. Dasta okay already. Had their machine seized in. Here's what they found. Reportedly equal number of trump and biden. Votes forensically analysed. Okay eighty seven percent. For trump hundred thirteen percent for biden unopposed. Supposed to be one hundred percent okay. So how many people voted twice for biden. Or what did the algorithm put in. They can find see. This is why this is so key. Wow key look at this stuff and a lot of these decisions may be coming in including that supreme court decision tomorrow at eight. Am about pennsylvania should be interesting to see By the way in the event you are flying anywhere to the northeast Today you better call ahead. They got hit with a nor'easter they got like a foot of snow. Seventy mile an hour winds cape cod was on. I was talking to my brother last night. He had to be going through it when i was talking to him. Didn't even mention it that they get like three feet of snow. Think dusting. it's like okay. No big deal. I'm just saying you know what Snow always fascinates me now. Because i haven't seen it so long joe. Have to shovel it so now. It's fun to watch tv. It sure is fun to watch in somebody else's yard. You're not kidding. Yesterday we watched the launch of the spacex dragon. Cargo freighter Took off a day late but ran eleven. Seventeen yesterday morning. It was a nice little shot from where i live. I don't know if you get to see it was a lot of clouds around it. rendezvous with the international space station. Today good news. Everything goes well. There didn't go as well for this reunion. A wound up being okay. It's fine you could check out the video. Eight fifty l. dot com. But if you were meeting your dad for the first time as a grown adult would you dress up in a buddy the outfit. No and that's exactly what this guy in maine did now somewhere along the line. He signed up for ancestry. Dot com or one of those things where they trek your lineage. Jit just so you know if you do that and it was funny because my brother did it last year and we always thought we were going to find a second family somewhere. They'll seriousness but anyway if there's a match anywhere along the line they notify you so this guy get notified last year and he tracked down the person that matched him turn out to be his biological father. He's what early thirties. Maybe late twenties this guy and he's big. He's a big guy. Looks like thirties. Got a family of his own with two kids. And i just saw because Boston dot com has the thing because it all happened at logan airport listed his name. The guy's name is no doug henning no but it's not that heading that doug in okay. It's magic but he decided to dress up as buddy the elf from that movie. And i'm like why would you do this. The big cardboard sign that says dad with candy canes on it oh god of course they filmed the whole thing. Because you know that's what you're gonna do now right and they all put it online. It's all gone viral with us. We're just as bad. You could check that out Here's the problem. His father never saw the movie. No clue no idea why this son of his his dress as a giant elf. We should tell you this all worked out fine because the dads finding like they explained it to them now but can you bill. I said if you get off a plane and you met your son for the first time dressed as an apples what would you do. I turn right around that apple. You don't know whether it's a prank. A joke fooled catfish. Co just think if you've been catfish so cow this is some audio from the. This is how the whole thing went down. It's the season and who better to your dad. Long lost dad then the l. Let's go get them car back on the plane. Ready ripe the third i love you. I'm on the plane. I'm not leaving going by okay. I i have seen parts of health. Because they can't get through it but does does buddy do that when he meets his father. Well let's let's see. Are you going to sing a song. So they can. I just go back song Yeah i i'm here with my dad and we never met and he wants me to sing a song adopted. But you didn't know i was born so yeah now. I know i didn't like that movie. It's a great movie By the way there was the great. James caan in. That is the great james. The this the cast in that movie's really good. Oh yeah who was santa claus. Wasn't it ed asner shit asner. We had Whose dad again. it was bob newhart newhart papa. Elf it was so funny. There's something i need to tell you that when it goes back. And he can't sit in the seat because he's too long time ago. Phones best loved that movie cloud another model. If the aliens have been busy. It'll tell you what location the new and arrived. Not aliens bill. The people who made it have come forward who claiming to go forward are lying aliens. It gonna blast them. They're not artists. Please that allow more than headlines. Coming up next south florida morning. Show this bill. Keep it here. Newstalk eight fifty w. f. t. l. half-loaded morning show is jan bill. And there's diener right. There and karen's news is at the top of the hour a lot happening waiting on a lot of decisions. I think It's a big day. Yeah it's going to be a good show for us tomorrow because Sammy court justice samuel alito supposed to make his decision by eight o'clock morning so hopefully he does it like at seven fifty eight while we're on the air. Can you imagine we've never had first of all. We hardly ever get breaking news during the show. If we had breaking supreme court news that turned out to be good awesome. Yeah that'd be great good when we have a launch during our show. It's like oh we've had two so far. What would happen to have something because it always breaks in the afternoon. Yeah never happens on our show very rarely or they do on the weekends. There was one yesterday launch. Yeah eleven seventeen. Yesterday morning It's an upgraded version of the spacex. Dragon cargo freighter It is carrying three point two tons of supplies and to the international space station. They took off right on time They meet up with the space station sometime today. I i didn't catch the time. So they're chasing down but it's pretty cool because they gotta catch it. Remember the cargo arm comes out and It's that it's the female astronaut does all that so she'd be interesting to see what the arm. Yeah she captures it. She's not driving right. Who is the other guy. The other guy drove he was. He was the av eight or and then the captain just hangs out and tells everybody what to okay did the bf. Our rocket. give delayed it all. That's the wanna look forward to the one. They've been tested in in in boca chica. All that is the one that testing out the okay so the one. That's going to go to mars testing the flight of it. It was supposed to go up ten miles and then come back down. And they nixed it and they own. I don't even know if they went up. Because texas came back the epa came back and said you're harming the environment with these liftoffs. And i'm thinking okay so it was just been all these billions of dollars to build a spaceport to build these rockets to take off from texas telling them it screwed up the the environment and move the company there. Wow so that rabbit needs to put the kabosh on that. I let him launch a rocket. Something's going to happen so They did a little test but they didn't go up very high. Wow that You know maybe they move everything to nassar here are they going to do is talk to the aliens because they have landed another monolith vis time in the uk a dropped it down sometime over the weekend it was discovered on sunday. It's in the isle of wight. Which means it's going to be gone by today now. You say it's aliens force. It is was utah then. Romania than california now the isle of writer. Whatever it's called right so are pattern. Diener they're going back and forth. It seems laterally. Okay yeah north. South kind of thing right as we discussed last week. A group of artists has now come forward and said they are responsible for all of these monoliths. They are known as the most to greatness artist. Not the greatest the most famous. They have posted pictures of the monoliths that they have placed on their instagram account. And they basically did it as a prank and to get recognition because you could only one of the monoliths for forty five thousand dollars and that's what they say. So if you want one we'll build it for you. Forty five grand. It'll take four to six weeks to deliver you. Know wells claims credit for everything. They didn't do isis. I don't believe these clowns at all. They're just trying to make their own watch. You order one for forty five granholm get some piece of crap paper shea and not the real model at that. The aliens make it's it's not alien spill but then the first one. The aliens are going to blast it these fake artist's first of all we're talking about. Was it three different countries now. Artists can't organize enough to put that together. There's no way okay. You can play a game a video game with six people from different countries. But you can't have an artist get in touch with another artist now. Okay not to deliver this thing. Okay there's no way you keep telling you have. Where are they getting. The anti gravity technology from some of these things only only can do that right thing about fifty pounds so too much heavier with all the trump balance they're really dominion voting machines. Twenty are very wealthy. Could very wealthy but Now sorry it's They've they've claimed responsibility. So that's kind of forty five grand to blow. It could be yours. Would you if you had the money you buy one no okay just askin they're cool. They're very reflective. I don't know whether this is picture that the new york post has their story of it this morning. It's very reflective it's so must have been from the utah desert one. It's beautiful though very reflective. Well good three side and you can put it in your reflecting pond. The aliens a homing signal. They also found that. It's made out of material that has never been found on earth before vibration. I may might might be making that part but still For all of those don't know brain on the planet. Where black panther guests kanda. Nobody knows that I don't know if it was just place. Don't make the nerds angry gen. whatever. I've seen that movie like a thousand times. Straighten remember chase okay. You don't over there. yeah. I'm a material what you have lots to tell fifteen seconds if you watch. Do you watch last man standing. I thought this was pretty cool and believe you. That this tim allen's character from last man standing is going to meet tim. The toolman from home improvement honey january seventh so it should be interesting. i don't know they will be blown. I don't know but last man. Standing hires tim the toolman to come to his house and fix it should be interesting to see. 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Episode 17 Angelina Monroe from BunnyRanch

BunnyRanch Podcast

33:41 min | 1 year ago

Episode 17 Angelina Monroe from BunnyRanch

"Hello Hello listeners and welcome back to another episode of the Bunny Ranch podcast my name is Alice little it's Daddy D if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all stolen nationally instead it's all right here correct bef- really got such a unique spectrum of ladies from all over the place we have in Ireland and I lived there for five years before coming stateside here and just the attitude is so different over there about wonderful co workers with me the ever tall ever beautiful and wonderfully French Angelina thank you happy the parents decided to move out because my my father is French and a big family my mom she was solo so and kind of like Pinot everyone's here of their own volition and it works out great and you can still get your little taste of the exotic flair without having to go Internet a dispute with the family cousin Ceraso Shia she loved friends she's like white blue is how tall are you don't be impressed because like flat shoes or hills it's okay with me we have the same size somewhere in a bit Oh my gosh yes it's to everyone's the same high when you're not standing Her in every single one of us is different in how we connect with our guests kinds of experiences we have like what are some supervise more likely are sex trafficking and so the girls have no money and beautiful but have to move here podcasts and video north for that I'm so excited to have you here you are just such you've got I rish folk or Paeans French really there's just this great mixing pot that kind of happens here which I really do a bit of denise they went to their so burn and then he did a conference because actually in France the persecution that are not I'm country to country is very bad sex king that's why you gotta get away from it's true it's easier to just come here for you know it saves aw big night and day and yet it's oftentimes hard for people to kind of reconcile their emotions and unfortunately a lot of the stigma comes from religion comes from friends or family outside sources everything from alcohol to say completely different in the way that we view things you're in Europe like is the assumption it's all sex focused and a lot of the time we find it really is people are only they want to be held that they want to commute people time to plan ahead and decide and figure out well also getting to know you better too which is nice this is they're not so intimidated and they're like us love generous yes I remember the first time we met and I was just tall and beautiful at the blonde hair the things that you enjoy doing with your guests were actually Leica is difficult for them to reach out to me physically on the lineup in icon at the Ranji sweep it's true are you you my I love it it's like an angel from nowhere inspiration you'll well-spoken and we need that we needed a voice in the binge because I don't want to treat like some like a simple not like me like ten well and that have discovered two which is like French and when I come in this country I was little mccade they're looking for something that's more than just at the surface level I agree with you and also we are not difficult an can really be a challenge to ask yourself why do I have these negative feelings why am I not comfortable with this and when you start looking at the ooh yeah at least you know the they have like relationship and it's kind of like a pleasant for me because sometimes it's not about sex it's just conversation exits easy to see that this is actually a really beautiful thing it's different and for a lot of guests I think it's even a healing thing too getting to just be vulnerable getting share that space whatever internal conflict there having just the ability to set we do have that blend we do have the differentiation where you can get whatever kind of experience you're looking to out of coming to the so we know you're French but tell us a little bit more about that where were you born where did our boat is so come one of us seven years aac everything you can say no judgmental attitude and so we have educated you have so smart I love you sister my parents bring me here an east coast and then I loved it yes and it's very different because he figure I was born the President and so I I I started to do appointment an appointment opened payment because sometime they can afford and understand that yes leaning into taking your time and I'm GonNa try a little bit of this and then we're going to go out for breakfast and then we'll come back from breakfast let's when a little something something uh no company and I love that if it's really true one of the biggest misconceptions about this industry I would say other lady into their experience that Kinda makes it almost more like a sex vacation I feel like where you're like you're really treating yourself and postition like an eye I stand for those lady because sometimes they're like miserable and walking for some Pam's etc but here's legal cool and the license and like when you explain was difference which in our legal and sex trafficking because there's a make Denver aside for a little while and just focus on that interaction is really Nice Yard too yeah well you keep them you know yet you enter them someone for everyone figure I'm super petite I'm for eight and a lot of guys that are like oh I don't know I wanNA taller a girl and it's nice because the bunny ranch experiences Citra in an appreciate because we need to grow I q appreciable two years ranch and what's fun is that a lot of the times we get a chance to even work together as part of a threesome to those true yeah yes I'm tonight or a day and so suggest them like you know is going to be long if you fly like this you have to have the experience of the deterred girl we've had some pretty fun threesomes over the years I did also bit about one okay so client when it comes to me and then the rethink Shen our Party and so I I suggest him to look at the website which one likes you take the opposite sometime it's like you can let it out and most people have like the natural sex sense that they make like I know do not like thinking I mean you think I'm sorry but I was not thinking like okay take this one this one and guess what this is the place to let go this is the time to explore those sides of yourself that you normally don't true he owes a is the even that spend time with one or more ladies that are coming back that have kind of developed a regular relationship with us and I imagine over the years you've developed a very avenger it's a good too because most of them are kinds are we select sixty or seventy percent of them washburn and then the won't tell you eh ad that vocal energy and I feel like a lot of the times especially especially for guys that watch porn when you add that vocal energy it is it's one of those things where there's only so many opportunities in life that you have to invest in yourself nice relationship with a number of guests or they come back and try different things yeah I was experience I can tell like the beginning I was like like Disney world output things like everything happened is no is just one way and if you come back we give you info I'm just kidding deep breathing gets a little bit heavy in kind of like like as I'm getting more and more into it I mean you don't have to sound like a porn star but I mean you'll always ken freely different it's very special and often times people walk out a different person than they arrived through the do something that's really just four d'you for your memory for your physical pleasure for your experience and this is such a great place to kind of at the end I was like hold on it's not my goal financially like when I fought about fly my expenses to come back and my doctor also much more free spirited it's like they almost flowed out if that's true that's why they become fund and more likely you are exposed to multiple platforms I love it every day and then see something I cannot unfortunately by this but because maybe you know I'm not confident Hawaii I'm doing and you do it with you all hot learned so much about what turns me on what I what I like I mean I'm sure you've learned a lot about yourself too and what you really Clark yet once similar like to tell blondes or sometimes they want someone that's tell and then someone that's Curvier also himself has she in it Kinda helps get you there true whereas if you're just like home just GonNa be Kwasi just can experience it like you're missing out on some of the fun and it's like no less exhausted I mean drench like and also I appreciate like quality I mean you know like I knew it some money but yeah like a different kind of energy to play with a different type of experience and when somebody chooses to add slack and adventure for for life it's it's like you have a you know as a woman you have nice shoes is once you have to experience that this like how do you select an info like Ah Pass intimated past memorial come here we give you a discount right yeah and we always work with those went through school and everyone like everyone learns by by doing you really look into what kind of any who is that experience much like any profession like if you're going to have you're talking about taxes earlier recharge yourself especially for the business professionals where they're always going in there focused on the business in their employees job in the stress and no awesome you don't find those girls now at least one talk to outside because we in pushable I feel like you know when I'm outside I'm somebody else because even in an action like when new party to know about you at least but Mike Lynn doesn't scream and you have to scream and I thought okay it and because you come then you know what doing an expert and I can tell you I have the experience because I just practice but I don't have the experience like you did James I'm like wow good so I bring him another girl as I don't care who you are what your background are but we are supposed to be like the dreamgirls I understand you might be new house must have been added and not doing those because you mom she's the the cider you growth here Ping like do not do you about this great and so you inform us as accessible and then the client feature kyw which is great announce slowdown don't rush through this don't try to be like oh I've got a count my pennies out like no this is the time to really lean in and treat yourself to something nice it's sometimes being his wife or partner in like I said we provide like a happiness its tail like artificial happiness or whatever but and when you come to the ranch there's kind of this they call it a negotiation but it's more like a conversation really it's just are into on what you really I'm so like I don't pay attention who the client US like the deposit in and ends where you can come and know that you're going to have a girl that's put herself together for you that's investing time and effort in focusing on you and learning your body and hoping in I am illegal sex worker at the world famous Moonlite Bunny ranch located in Carson City Nevada this week I have one of my one etc etc so I'm glad to see you if you won like once a year or two toward twice years fine with a plan payment and so I'm less tired trusts it hard said you can also talk to and kind of have a relationship with in it's kind of true with this where you're looking for a very professional experience like when you go to get your taxes done you want to know that you're going to like a qualified accountant swollen who knows the deductions the write offs how to help you who has your best we have relationship with you guys because you make us feel like impotent and special we want to give you this kind of opportunity to you sitting down talking about what you have on your mind what kind of things you want to try and experience then everybody ads like all have about this have you tried that and then together we kind of build this beautiful experience and then we get to live together absolutely and it's it's Kinda like instant gratification when we do at at something like we try to survive to make living with love it because we expand it and we good at it and that's the thing and yeah it's it's just it's such a great learning opportunity because you learn about yourself I feel like as as a sex worker I feel like ninety what you're GonNa do is the third curse and so even if we direct him as hey how we worked so well the girl's GonNa be face and kind of get down have like hey engine and do you know who's coming for you I'm like no so they look alliance Oh wow but I have no idea because you know I'm not American so of luck this awesome and focus to experience and we have business together I mean yeah you get to define what it looks like how it feels learn more about yourself too busy to that you know like what appreciate has declined his own Volvo also in my year deb etcetera we helped me on coming back to see me this is I I'm honest because sometime I not like you like you know like the the the lover and then give the chance through etc and blows you have to pay taxes on like yes so I changed looseness rats in Jerus- and guys who have joined us then we pay taxes Sir I'm somebody else sometime caller from head to say oh almost europeanized them like because stop his millions of respect for the little girls like the teenager the the grabbed me watching C. You beautiful as he hopefully don't relate to what I'm doing because Canadian this but it's so many months away with this year planning what you're about to do like you're about to go and get to have a threesome Shen life you know when you're planning a vacation near like planning at months in advance and you're like Oh Minna travel to France or Germany or Italy and I'm going to do it's it's great to just go and I kind of feel like when you share an experience with someone it just heightens the emotion and you get to connect on by all means I love getting to learn about that to hear those experiences from those that have worked in that way and it's just it's fun so talking about another level because again it's more than just Saxon getting to go out and have fun and then come back and have even even dates what are some of the things that you've done with your guests wherever you traveled any nice restaurants that stick out in your mind or things he likes to do so aw I feel like I learned from everybody like everyone has something that they bring to the table that's different about them that they have experienced fun right and also you know like now I feel like a more romantic so it's like like you said like sex great but sometime we need like also a lucky charm all right guys you know who to take with you to the casino over here she's GonNa love that's fun though travel and go explore the rest of Nevada whether it be Virginia City or Beautiful Lake Tahoe you can fly to Vegas there's it's and like oh I've never been porn star I don't know anything about that I don't know anything about it that's not my specialty that's not my world but then happy and then and then is is ready to go out and for we I'm just asking if something does have any idea we can ask the driver privacy and always that's that's a huge thing here at the ranch is that when you come to visit no one knows that you were here are billing is so we enjoy it everything and then you know how many Klay Anti Surprise Hey i WanNa do it now say well where did you get relax enjoy whatever that means to you whether it be like your first experience like a virgin and kind of getting that away or spinning you free does nobody's going to arrest you nobody's GonNa try to rob you now it's just don't have time to enjoy gas oh it there's just so much variety and we love you because you know you teach us more and more every day event if I'm experience are learned discreet we have our own onsite accounting that handles all the financials like it truly is a risk free experience to come indulge we do myself had to be there out it was my client because we do our date data's where you actually get to leave the ranch property they're so beautiful and so we do have vision which is a cowboy to love cowboys we have a special specific village I couldn't yeah sure so half hour you know when you guys fly from Dallas or fly from other cities followed we understand like it's long travel so it's like it's a real opportunity to come back here for the repeal kind comeback we have the safety we have a beautiful rooms we have a beautiful girl do you know any of the card games I realize I'm addict to the slot machine because I'm good at it ears experiences I've had I'm sure you've had some funny situations happen tale was the key yeah absolutely we make me Maurice though one any different opportunities to go out and do and see in Lagos she said I'll use we we really like enjoy the fact that we can go and keep it at the time to relax and then after of course you want to have the desert before the two food to Italian food right and

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Shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival

Formally Informal

24:43 min | 1 year ago

Shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival

"Hey Tommy here <hes>. This podcast is going to be a little bit different than our normal. <hes> unfortunately a tragedy has occurred. Someone has shot and killed multiple innocent people go on a mass shooting at the Gilroy garlic festival today. <hes> what you're here is first hand witnessed this event <hes> just hours after it happened our hearts go out to the families affected by this attack. Oh my Gosh I o made fucking garlic festival in find out some got shot. Oh yeah there was five dead or something like that I was there. Were all fucking text next to make sure he's okay. Fuck Dude. He was serving beer out. There will then fucking com wire. Why are you not tech Holy Shit all them? I'm GonNa text them on. What's is gone on fucking you? Don't take some Shit like like Oreo K- know you fucking call and make sure man what was going on. Oh there is like five people go the garlic festival today. Oh my God from Gilroy. Do That's like fucking twenty minutes from here. Multiple reportedly were injured and Sunday in Shooting Guru Festival today at least seven people have been transferred area hospitals toward the ended the final day of the festival fuck. I mean this is just a few hours ago. Yeah no the <hes>. My Lady was playing it on T._v.. I guess about five people were killed six injured and so on so forth she's Chris James. That's the time to crack a beer beer root beer man. Let's not the fucking point. Hey I just saw some shit on the news about the fucking garment festival you'll pay. Hey Man Yeah I was there. I was there. I'm good. I'm good Oh shit man. It was like I was probably about fifties. I would say about fifty Louis from that from the shock yeah yeah I was there man I was getting ready to go home and I was <hes> in the bridge area and all of a sudden like took in five shots like right away and other mark records. Are you know I'll be honest I thought but because I was looking at the cop to like see what his reaction was a complicated because in the richer there's a cop now looking at his reaction to see q then he didn't do another of what the Hell mixing do you like people running towards get out of the air. You know get out of the League. That's what I knew. Something was wrong. I just I just ran dude. I'm not I wasn't. I'M GONNA take no video. No nothing yeah. I don't blame you yeah. Yeah you scary scared holy Shit Bro Yeah so yeah. I heard some people were killed. <hes> were injured but I didn't see the guy I would. I I was close and this guy I was running. My friend lives on the other side of jewelry. I ran to her house. Well I mean didn't run but I ran some of the way and then walked away to your house and <hes> from what this guy was walking Nixon. Me said he thought a guy like camouflage. He says he was camouflage Dal. Get all that Shit Damn so he had like military fatigues and Shit on yeah yeah yeah one of my friends. I'll tell you just drink and try to mellow out because because he was crazy and I never thought that I was in something like this crazy because I'm on like when I'm so forward the biggest she's all yeah. Stay away from crowds without drew by Mandalay Bay casino with that for you. Do you remember what happened to family. Be Mixing frigging when I'm back to something she let this happen uh-huh my God that's fucking I I actually I'm actually recording the podcast with friends of mine right now and <hes> we were looking to the news in fucking popped up on my screen and I was like Oh my God dude. I gotTA fucking call him. Make sure he's okay. No make sure to let them know that we wanted to make sure he's okay so so we want to. We wanted to call. Make sure you're okay <hes> I. I don't have two way communications on the call. Fuck Dude. That's a fucking trip <music>. Some people have come from the original issue torches. I got like a couple of people but at least eleven people fuck I couldn't connected with the with the news until Jeffrey humming things man who's the I'd never thought something like this would happen yeah that that's always here right. I mean eh trump's even talking about it. He says law enforcement is at the more. She's going to fucking talk about it. I got to mention a cellphone then. I'd never heard what I was walking away from the the park. I never heard that many sirens my life and it was like it was like a war zone yeah now right now. I'm outside and I can hear the helicopters. Just just from what I heard is like I said the second there's a second suspect and they're still looking at large. I suspect is down by better custody. I don't know I'm glad you're OK shit so we're all glad you're okay. I mean like I said I never I mean I've heard you know I used to shoot myself and after you know I thought you know if if I were to say it was an assault Rafer pistol to me John Pistol but now reports coming out that I am with an A._R.. But do it was when I shoot any archenemy your ears ring distant not this does not mean you make something about bowed out at all like I said I thought it was crackers. Like Spider Cocker twenty two it sounded like a twenty from and another report that I- ties that the the interviewed a band the earlier on the news the bad it said that they were shooting from the stage towards the alley towards the towards the area where people eat me alley which is in the center of the of the fact of well. That's where I was literally will off to the side after the tide of it a little bit <hes> but that's a hundred that's like one hundred yards away and they're saying that those shots were coming from bad hide and into the into the alley into into into the area where where people were and <hes> but it sounds creates a lot closer back and like <hes> <hes>. I didn't think anybody get hit. Yeah I just saw the people just running away from from that area. It was just chaos at that point. Yeah Yeah and you know we. We were lucky we we opened the canyon out that people are scrambling wielding a pair. Actually I didn't see anybody gets grappled. You know travel ban ribbon to open it up to the good and then we ran towards exide. That's where <hes> the shuttle buses are. The bus drivers will telling the <hes> the people that were running away to get off plus. Get off the bus and get down. Get down and almost got on the bus get myself. What if this guy is running? You know you know like I didn't find him and gets on this bus with me I I. I don't know I'm not going to get on the run up. Run up the backside of the of the Birkenau. I'll you know find my only but yet that's what scares me most Gigan- what is the shooter you know gets on this Bush with what happened. Yeah Yeah that was that was scary to <hes> but yeah it was <hes> situation to say the least wow dude well. We'll please tell them we're all glad that he's Ok and the the next I drink. We're going to have to be honest is. We're glad that he's doing well so yeah so the guys are telling me that they're all glad you're okay and that the next drink is on us. Thank God I can't I twenty because when you call me I work with <hes> he just call me earlier. You don't follow through an it was crazy because it's after that volunteer work best of all and something like this happens you know I would've never thought something like with the honestly you know I'll bring this up to that. Initial reports say that this guy snuck through the creek site and not through the fences and you know I'm familiar with the Cecil I've been going to off and on for the last twenty years. There's a <hes> but I always thought there's a perimeter fence along along the creeks I and the initial thing that he came through the creek side through the fences and smoking but I always thought that those those parameters that that terminators tight but I don't know what else thinking is he's. I volunteered today. I guess you didn't cut me down or even one you know with the with Tintri they didn't do that at all. Wow Yeah I'm dating. They need you check mighty just went in there Joan my name and they said they give me freestanding. Put me in security. That's that's that's a security breach that that's a weakness. You know everybody everybody that pays normally to go into the festival. biggie wandered down get shirt checked and everything on a standard standard frankly and I hope that comes up because look you know but one thing is that perimeter always. I always thought that you know digital 'cause I can do that through that creek and through that ball by ten years ago I always thought that was fixed. You know that they would fix that that you know it was something anything they could just crawl under make a whole you know it's one of those readings ventures that you just go through and because dude like doing shit like this could happen what they find out. I'm glad. widhraw right where I was like I see shooting I see shooting in the mail in the in the lines and like all great another one right and I'm like thinking whatever right and and I click on his his fucking Gilroy Mike what Gilroy and this is garlic festival. It was like Oh fuck over there. I'll faulk <hes> while I mean we're. We're all glad you're okay. I mean <hes> <HES> I. I'm just fucking speechless right now but <hes> we wish best for the families and all that other shit too we really do like. I can't imagine something like this happened. Is You know but the and and it it goes back to talking to my <hes> my friend you know we have the toughest gun laws in the country and she'd like it happened. I don't know if it's third or second time or whatever right in the last three or four years yeah. This shit is happening here. We'll I mean just last month. We had that guy kill kill his manager at the Ford dealership right eight way by our work like five minutes yeah issue. I believe in gun control to an extent own guns I <music>. I should have a hobby. We've gone on Sean substance before together a are. I mean you know what they're saying that this guy this guy head you know what I mean and it's not it's not gonNA help into bout who uses it and they're saying that this is the initial reports. They're saying that this was a young White Guy M._O.. That you're going to look like online like you know. L The other things you know mashing this is this. This is not a gun issue. This is logical issue control this part yeah. It's a psychological. This is eight psychological this. Is You know this is something else then you guys are going to have to find a way to get these guns out of these guys hand one of my friends. That's ultra conservative trump supporter <hes> I used to use my old corker and he lives in Utah now all yeah it conducts a mini series. You know thing I asked me. If I'm okay. I'm good and he hasn't yeah you know there's there's a lot of places in the world and all I'm glad I have my lie concealed carry. What would you do in that situation though that you're going to run towards the fucking Bomb Mr Marine Kyrie I would be running into that group? I would do running toward you know I would be running more wherever people the running away because once you obtain that license you are remember. You and I talked about this when the mentally be when that happen the M._F._a.. From that COP throws you have an obligation AH protect people because those seconds that that people are getting killed. You can't stop you can save lives with you know by acting on the acting within those seconds and I the same thing even today if I had if I had a concealed carry in in California I would Iran I would've I would've gone. I would've gone toward toward. I don't give a fuck. What kind of gun can I would've just gone on the but it's like I said it's like a you have to have a you have to have a mentality that that you have to have them mentality that you react? Into that you do that without looking at <hes> other things by looking at a family that I have to look out for you know what I mean like you know what I mean you exactly. You have a quick decision that you have to make to sacrifice. Everything and I hit a cigarette because you know when we hire cops really doing that. Do are you blooming to sacrifice your some cops copter Mary. Everybody has a family. You know. You've got these job for the really judy. How you do that mentality you just go? You just got to go because the second concede life in these types of situations fuck. I wish I had my cable the patch you in in our conversation here I'm sure Zach. These guys are dying. Asking questions ends but it's okay. It's okay I mean you know you. You kind of caught me when you had a few trying to calm down the adrenaline Jonathan I was. I was running disguised at like. I told you that he was right next to him. He thought it he's all yeah. You know it's it's losing your mind that should you run or she rockaway because maybe this guy is sucking aiming at people ooh ready. You know what I mean like. Some of these people like they want to do more machine people who are running away just cause damage and he told me that straight up my wow you're right because I did the same thing I was like kind of. He's going through my mind like you know. Should I rent or should Iraq because every guy yeah exactly comprising well. I'm GonNa let you go. I'll see a work tomorrow. I'll be there okay yeah man yeah no problem. I get some rest and I'll see you tomorrow. Man Holy Fuck in California what he was saying is like it. It sounded like it was firecrackers because the A._R.. Fifteen that used to be able to get in California were only <hes> able to carry the twenty two rifle rounds so that makes sense like it sounded like a pistol and officers like pop pop pop pop up as a bill to carry five six which are rifle rounds is kind of what he talk about like if you hit that shit it's GonNa fucking Blair out your ears. You'RE GONNA you're GonNa hear the crack like you here. With a thirty. You know Yep so mcq sense. There was some dude who just dented sir. I grew up with guns a group around him like my grandma had like a shotgun and a rifle on her wall. Let's put it that way like my family is that level of central California where like their Hick Redneck Shit like but we need to have psychological aspects like even even England and other European countries deal with it. It isn't about gun violence violence. It's about just psychological care and actually dealing with the issues but there isn't any financing going towards that either. My personal opinion is if the N._R._A.'s going to say it's not gun violence. It's it's a psychological issue than they have to fuck and put the money for to fix the psychological ship like fuck. You catch like no no no. That's the problem and then sit silent. You know what if you're going to say. That's the fucking problem that. Help the fucking problem help the people that need the need the help don't fucking cut off the funding. I don't know man. I don't know man your buddies good though I'm glad to hear safe that's yeah it is good that nuts nuts nuts nuts man. I was Kinda hoping for more funny fucking recording today <hes> something a little bit more lighthearted. I've been trying to push in that direction but it doesn't look it's GonNa work all right well. I can give you one more to do it before before I wrap up and leave. I'll leave you with this. <HES> GRANDPA who one romp with two hookers in get your grandpa laid radio contests choke to the death as he hurried his dinner on way to have three. Oh no I will now share with you the Huffington Post story. Oh God of okay okay. I got listen to this. I Johnny Morris Eighty six died on Thursday hours before he was supposed to redeem his prize for winning Howard Stern's. Get My grandpa laid competition all wow or is choked on a piece of steak just prior prior to when he was scheduled to have sex with two women from the Moonlite Bunny ranch in Carson City Nevada. Were Prostitution's legal what he's been there before. I think this is the saddest day in Bunny ranch history owner Dennis Hof told T._M._Z. has he sat next to crying. Theresa kisses who had selected orders as the winner or is his grandson. Ed said his GRANDPA was looking forward to the big night he was ecstatic. Is GRANDPA said or grandson said according to the New York Daily News he'd been that way ever since our trip to the to the stern show and then here's A. C. Gallery for porn store gallery. Is that actually her <hes> no no. I don't think so no now I say wonder he choked on his fuck at stake Jesus Christ. Oh you WanNa see the girls these girls. I believe these are the girls Oh my God poor guy reminds me of blue in that one movie where he dies before he's about to get into that fucking school yeah where he dies while he's about to fucking do the K Y wrestling match with those chicks and SPA. I don't think we're asking the real question. Did they follow through with the competition. I want to go ahead and say no. I'm going to say no that that did not happen yeah. They're pretty much ended once. They found out like his dead so you're not gonNA have sex after all. What I really WanNa know though is because I mean I'm? I'm you know yeah this. Is You know there was a competition thing that Howard stern is doing. Did the girls still get paid. Oh yeah no they. They got paid prior to the competition and it was kind of those things like. Would you be willing to fuck an eighty year old man and they're like oh can fucking pay it right like yeah and then he seemed like a nice guy and they're like Oh yeah. I'd love the fuck this guy myself. I wish we we had the budget to do something like this. I imagine what we would do with that kind of budget. Oh we would honestly great it would be honestly I'd be reading the competition so that I one oh come on. I I would be fair. I'm a fair yeah but you know what I'm actually debating to open up a page on page and maybe make it a goal to have crazy things like this <hes> to have a budget to actually do contests so <hes> you had we may actually be seeing a formerly informal podcast Patriot page coming up here soon for those who want to support the podcast and make <hes> make our troops come true yeah I am also going to be opening a discord channel <hes> for communication. If you WANNA contact us through dischord I will be including Lincoln the description for that as well for our server.

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Episode 14 Delilah Rae from Sagebrush Ranch

BunnyRanch Podcast

31:01 min | 1 year ago

Episode 14 Delilah Rae from Sagebrush Ranch

"Hello and welcome back listeners as well as viewers my name is Alice little and I am illegal Stati di if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all stolen agent exactly and I mean it's it's such an interesting phenomenon because we love sex and we love to the people on the planet with me she is a fellow red had a troublemaker incredibly intellectual lady from the talk about sex workers but the minute you find out someone actually is or someone has actually seen a provider whole no we anything but no there's so much stigma around being a sex worker and I've been a sex worker since I was nineteen I started Williams there's is not okay it's not okay obviously not we should pray the rosary yes I mean like I clearly I need to go to church on Sunday he my first two degrees I love it but unfortunately the world doesn't always choose to love us as much as we love them Oh gee waist and declarative statement to assign your name as well as your face to this industry it's one of the reasons to why many of US choose to use I'll be honest like my goal is to go to the Kentucky Derby and like the most ostentatious huge had like people five rows behind me can't see it's happening it's happening happy dance happy dance yes so everyone can see or like not actually see you are wearing a hat would you tell us a little intimate relationship you have if you're married you are not solely defined by your spouse or more specifically you're not defined by what you and your husband mean sex stigma is apparently what two consenting adults do with their now ty- bits in a room by themselves or with Sagebrush Ranch Delilah Ray you're here only got really excited I wanted to do this for so long it's finally happened or act suddenly defines who you are as a human being and we don't do that with any other professional and think of any other type of you can't do that why it's ridiculous because it's almost as if to say that that single trait or attribute a bit about why we can't see yes so I am one of the ladies at the ranchers who chooses to not show my face I you hit the nail on the head is so as an ex jockey who loves the Derby Yeah had had is on point advocacy for healthy relationships advocacy for healthy intimacy for healthy pleasurable sex sex worker but it's nice to see that things are changing I'm sure as you've seen in politics I believe twenty twenty is really going to become the year of the sex under wife do in the bedroom together You are so much more than that and I do a lot of activism insects work in different areas I do environmental of this world is if people find out that I also love an embrace sex work I lose credibility and that's weird that's worker in terms of conversations around decriminalization a lot of states have some really positive legislation moving forward and so you know check your state edge experience us it very much goes both ways it does I have learned so much about myself and the world I live in and activism I do violence anti-violence Yes yes oh yeah we did yeah and unfortunately the reality you why so many do travel here from out of state to participate in the legal system that we have here and sex work is just it's beautiful like that the my God yes so as such he choose not to show your face and that makes a lot of sense it really is a big on that next level for sex work issues because it's almost as if to say oh if they are for this then whatever other opinions and eight lots of good things happening in lots of activism that needs further support to because none of these other outside initiatives so far experience that I envy people who don't get to have it get it it's almost like an not just an exchange of emotionality and intimacy sounds hippy dippy it sounds hokey it sounds Hunky Dory it's the best but it is there is something truly unique and beautiful about this am I guard my own privacy is carefully guard yours and so for the viewers I was going for like a heading to the Derby theme let me Know Industry in I feel like those of us that participate within the spaces providers gained so much from our guest in terms of knowledge add intimate touch whether it's platonic like just two friends family like dad hugging son mom hugging dad it's too it it really does and it's just really ridiculous to think that society is still very limited in their viewpoint I heard stop doing that yeah really as yeah it's really unfortunate it's unfortunate because it prevents you from being able to advocate had a genuine just a hug just along thirty second genuine hug for women and it's a little more if they do in other areas is suddenly less than in less valued which if you think about it sex work especially when you talk about just interact anymore let's be honest our society doesn't exactly encourage vote intimacy intimacy or communication or touch yeah it just everything by learning from my clients and I've been able to teach my clients so many things it's such a beautiful given tate and such been successful and unfortunately that still leaves us as being the only state that has this beautiful thing it's one of the reasons sister hugging brother whatever or even romantic and sexual touch if you increase the length of time you hug most an energy exchange at a certain level because you are participating in this very unique place together in a way that we usually as humans don't get approach and even just adding hugs even just adding sitting close to someone on the couch and it releases more chemicals and endorphins in your brain and can actually be so important for managing depression anxiety a huge thing with depression acceptable if you and I were to walk down the street you know when things oddly of it but male male todd show upper is so stigmatized for your brain it is I mean if babies need held if children need held in touch so why do we think we suddenly grow that it it's adults it's ridiculous conversation and share quotes back-and-forth leg I'll be honest I only pretend I'm cool like I'm not comic book collection more in a world that has so many issues we need more love and a world that has so many barriers to getting that the it is elaine watching us together like romantic cuddly my favorite thing in the world platonic cuddling also super awesome hug your friends yes hug your friends hug your family hug everybody I love the whole free hug movement I believe that it's such a positive message in positive energy to just put out there in the world and we need think of how touch starved Americans are each pre like just think for a minute what is the last time you as a listener we've actually done studies I can't quote them I'm sorry I left my thickly Pedia of research out and said Oh it's fine I I someone keep track how many times I say hug your friends because hug your friends very easily and it's like just just do it talk I love it I thirty okay so I'm going to sound super nerdy so like stop if I get weird it's okay see what's working for your partner like it's a great way to check in hey is this working I love it radical to look at a world that says we can't touch and start to it increases empathy it's dirty talk is a great way to bring ongoing consent ooh into a sexual experience and it's also a way to I'm just here it actually put it into action take the time like get to work tomorrow bringing a box of doughnuts and give all your coworkers giant freaking hug oh it is so product and so fun and just thrilling to hear exactly what I'm doing okay well maybe you are just like masquerading as a church lady today with like a really feed shirts lady lasts a roll with it actually have real life conversations with each other we actually are very passionate people with feelings and thoughts emotions beyond a Haiti WanNa have we talk a lot especially insects work about the importance of consent it's a really important thing that everyone knows what's going on at all times no one's surprise oh gasp of pleasures Yup Yup it is it is that like that involuntary pleasure response that is just they just play glamorous girl on the website it's okay we're real human beings we actually watch TV and net flakes we naughty here those who are listening in not watching but I'm also laughing and trying not to do like the giggling you'll laugh I mean like let's be real hey you wanna have sex is a fun line is very much so you don't let's talk about that but you're I put my hand here and I dragged it slowly up your thigh would you like that and then you're asking for the fueled there's never a bad time to ask during sex do you want me to do that again leg would you like knack yes that's a fun one in my room God I'll say I'm cool and then it all goes out the window real quick I'm not just pretend it's like oh no I just like every other episode where I'm like well actually you're for today Oh no no go for it yeah no on they've done studies that show when you is such a great way to get to those moments tell me what exactly do you want me to do to you oh yeah what if Oh yes checking in with your partner in such a sexy way there is never a bad time in sacks to ask how does this right now give Salonen opportunity to genuinely answer without being like you feel good right now don't you that's putting words in someone's mouth whereas Rosie with her high heels and champagne embodying and limousines dude we also want to just hang out in a library with a bottle of wine and have a great worker here at the world famous Moonlite Bunny ranch located in Carson City Nevada today I've got one of my favorite so sorry we're not mind readers entirely here I mean we are good at reading body language which again important skill you can learn from sex workers and it's safe place to genuinely share your feelings like I recently did a fun silly thing for area fifty one MERC I decided to do reo sixty nine and do this whole all out there thing with alien fantasy in Duck Shin play in medical implements but it why I don't know because to redheads on a podcast told me tale okay light it's fine that's a good reason for doing literally anything cute redheads told me to gene is we isolated and depressed I'm knocking out of bed and then you get into this never ending cycle of yes touch no touch not a chance to the little niggling thought in the back of your head that you really want to try now you can say it and then we can do it yes it's then people check in with each other during sex I don't care if it's me and U or as a whole orgy oh one of my favorite lines is tell me how you feel okay see another reason to come see red-headed sex workers were right and we'll tell you why we're right just weird dorkiest people on the planet really sex workers stereotypes also workers when you ask it is that open ended question where there's not a yes or no and actually there has to put language to sensation you're able to relate to it so much more theme time it wasn't just silliness there actually is a genuine interest in those types of activities and they are okay they're valid and they are welcomed most into a partner exactly how I making them feel I can feel death chills up my mind right now on my toes her curling off not gain new homeowner moment like yeah my dudes calmed down and hug your friends like us to me give give your friends hugs lots of hugs uh-huh and then what another way if you keep it off me do anything to you what would it be telling me and he suit is still a neurotic in sexy way to check in and it gives everybody in the bedroom yes who who who who I love when somebody grips the bedsheet y'all so and if they could they'd be shredding and dirty with three slightly yes yes side we're redheads so therefore we're right that's just how the world works sorry it's an DNA importantly yes and seeing a sex provider like me like you like any of the ladies here is such a great way you give yourself a safe informed place to explore that fantasy we've all had that one thing we wanted to try but we don't know what it looks like and starting in encounter we're already setting up good communication you know you can ask me I know I can tell you possible being risk-aware exactly and it's also breaking it down to I think I might really like this and a man can say to me or woman can say to me because I like everything is can I kiss you just that way it's so much easier to have that conversation with partners yeah like you figure sex workers model positive consent language around tax and unfortunately we don't have that modeling of correct negotiation or conversation anywhere in our society it's not on TV pill you wanted to explore it but maybe I don't and that's Ok does changing the kind of sexy here's insecurities hopes ambitions tell me all of that and that's just so yeah but once you have that conversation with the provider everything is one hundred percent safe we're not taking any risks at all whatsoever whereas with risk aware consensual kink yet rig knowledge we're having does not disrupt the sex year halley no not at all like I really WANNA try being tied up I have not acting on it in a way that safe sane consensual risk aware consensual kink guess it's a thing it's important and it's something that so many of us choose to practice and then you're looking at them in the eye and getting that intensity going yeah it's makes it safe it's meeting somebody rather than forcing yourself upon here exactly there's also a difference too between safe sane consensual and briscoe where can you figure with SC or safe sane consensual May I is another great he end full way to just kind of lean in and right before you close that gap may I kiss your lips everyone can sending its on your friends sleep with your friends it's fine exactly there's just so many different ways that sex workers really able to is your words there's no such thing as too much information it's true and tell me you've never tried this tell me that you really want to tell me your fee okay and seen a provider gives you so many tools for one communicating all of that to us because again not mind readers them and it creates the opportunity for like this ebb and flow almost of enter a where everyone's contributing to it and it just continues to build and Ooh and like I said it's your experience with a sex worker is not just that experience you're going to had I'd like you to when you like this this is what I felt that censorship up my spine do it again like Oh always well I have been tied up I enjoy it but pretending I'm a client and I really WanNa try being tied up yes I've never been tied up before I don't know if I'm getting take those healthy communication you're going to take the tips and the tricks we show you and you're going to bring that outside of these walls and you are Nov and books if anything we see some really dangerous constructs for trade on TV and we laugh at them like they're funny like one of the sexiest things in your head and it lingers grows and you're just up the kind of sex you're having it does because if your mind is constantly going back to a fan to see in your Lupita for those who are not watching I did the screen face like shock oh what hey I want to touch her throat and have my hands on your body this could be a risky and let's talk about how to do this as safely as going to be a better lover you're going to be a better provider yourself with your friends not friends we'll sometimes people sleep with their friends sleep with your friends mhm one of my specialties is people disabilities yes gas so necessary yeah so one let's but I can say what I've done with people giving people the chance to really explore their bodies and what feels good it doesn't feel good and the ability to explore partners body hey I'm paralyzed from the waist down about how does he comes in a lot of shapes and forms and does not deny you the ability to be a sexual person g humane people in wheelchairs no and it's how we talk about sex and disability so gross and creepy and infantilized be able to lay flat down okay do we use a wedge gave us pillows how do we arrange our bodies do is worse than station Stop Yeah here's where sensation stops with this is where things feel really good you have more erogenous or sexy touched is people like it is I do not have a physical disability so I cannot speak to personal experiences of other people that is not my job help people improve their lives like are you able to share any specific stories with us yes so I'm trying to think of just one and that takes a minute go to work through I also work with people on the autism spectrum again very very important yeah shocker you're still can be a sexual person if you want to be and what I have found with a lot of my clients on the autism spectrum just giving space to explore like this is super weird but D- sexualizing sex yes just a tiny little bit by deconstructing it's an understandable concept and all court The inside of your wrist like us gas and so many of my guests with physical disabilities loss of limb had I'm a little afraid what if I don't like it can I take it back can we untidy zapping then can we still have fun is that still K- like could we do something else it doesn't and also penis vagina aren't bad words their body parts giving you and also vagina is the interior the Exterior Chin like going on down there and like terrible are sex at is normal that's a normal loss spectrum may not have those same limitations in additions and stigma and actually choose to have that learned lived experience and it enhances your sex because okay guys let's all be really really honest here at some point in your life you've just wanted to be like wow I wish I had a vagina because I just want to take a look in Arizona's then your genitals yeah I longed layer there's a little spot behind the ear back the neck down the spinal love their partner they are just so in love but there's a disconnect bringing a third person into the bedroom is not inherently a wild crazy kinky threesome it can be that that's fun but that's not the only option sometimes it's like you're is a vulva today you learn on the Bunny ranch. podcasts were educational informative and sexy to make things pleasurable and sciatic pain lead ahead and Use a sex Sofa Oh have some difficulties with your hips did you we're here hi we exist we do this a lot and it's fun hi my name is Alice little I'm sorry this is what we okay and like if you think that sounds hot right now and you're gonna go to bed sex like that will just come into the bunny ranch and the Sagebrush ranch what are you doing so you can actually use a sex swing to get the same kind of momentum without having to use your hip joints exactly back pain we there's a lot swallow and everyone adds to like this could you do more of that touch me here yes I enjoy that oh I'm actually ticklish aw look at someone's body wanting to learn what these parts are what these parts do how these parts work is normal and it is the experience adding a third person the bedroom especially when their sex provider does not devalue your relationship no and the whole thing is it's not a competitive thing sad that they're sensation spots of changed and if not evolved

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Between a Rock and a Funny Place

Slate's The Gist

28:13 min | 2 years ago

Between a Rock and a Funny Place

"At Merrill, it all starts with you. The you who has more ideas than time the u. who may be closer to retiring than you think the u who likes to be on your own, but never alone, whether it's a dedicated advisor self directed investing or Merrill Lynch professionally managed portfolio Merrill provides advice and guidance to help you live the life. You want visit m l. dot com. Slash you to get started. Investing in securities involves risks, and there is always the potential of losing money Merrill Lynch and make available products and services offered by Merrill Lynch Pierce Fenner and Smith incorporated a registered broker dealer registered investment advisor member SIPC in a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Bank of America corporation. The following recording may contain explicit language. I can't get more explicit than may. Let you say it may. It's Tuesday, October sixteenth, two thousand eighteen from slated to the gist. I Mike Pesca. We were trying to beat him up, but he died instead, the Saudis reportedly with those words, are admitting to what in any jurisdiction in the United States would be considered first degree murder, and that is their cover story, their cover story, their way out of this is to admit to first degree murder, killing someone in the commission of a crime. Donald Trump seems to think it's a pretty good story. This admission of murder. He has credited it listen to his phrasing to an interview. He gave to you, guessed it, Fox News, turkeys, looking at it very strongly. We're all looking at it together, but Turkey and Saudi Arabia, looking at adverse strongly and it depends whether or not the king or the crown prince knew about it. In my opinion. Number one, what happened but whether or not they knew about it if they knew about it, that would be bad yesterday. The president was broadcasting the kings denials that the Saudis offer straighted the killings. Now he has shift the standard too well to the king or did the crown prince know about it. So there you have it Trump has just laid out the case for Saudi x. culpability, Saudi agents wearing trying to kill anyone. I mean, they did and doing so was quite helpful to the political interests of the kingdom. And like I said in any American court, that would be an admission of first degree murder. But if you can't prove that NBS was getting real time text alerts while kashogi was being beaten to death. Well, I guess we can just say there was murderous nece on both sides, right? Both sides. Is it odd that Donald Trump would be so enthralled to the kingdom of Saudi Arabia? Well, there is the money he gets from the Saudis, Saudi Arabia. Get along great with all they buy apartments from me. This spend forty million, fifty million. I supposed to dislike them. I like them very much, but there's also the style, the Saudi style. It's clearly a style Trump identifies with just take it from this observer of the kingdom here speaking to the BBC is in fact the late Jamal kashogi I wish I could go home and take part, but the environment does is that will coming to me or any other sorority writers economists. The who is independent. All the people around him are yes, men and he wants that and he thinks he can do it alone. He thinks he, he is the leader that the country has been waiting for he alone can solve it. He is surrounded by yes, men, he thinks he's the leader of the country is waiting for, jeez, what is Donald Trump and all that. So personally, as I ponder this store. Of the death of this one. Man, it's of course horrible for him and his family, an injustice, but it is emblematic not of the injustice of killing him. It's emblematic of the injustice of what his killing represents and at that and it's that it represents a truism that being one victim is a tragedy in one thousand is a statistic, Jamal Kashoggi's death is horrific, but the Yemeni war has killed thousands, thousands, crickets, crickets, Yemen. I don't think Saudi Arabia should be an enemy of the United States, but one benefit of diplomacy and alliances is that the stronger more powerful country should be able to exert some influence some pressure to make the junior partner adhere to minimum norms and standards of behaviour. If the powerful country wishes to do so it's doesn't always work. But in general, it's a way for the United States to use soft power and gobs of. Cash to ever so slightly notes, the world toward a place of more Justice, not less. Of course, I suppose that requires the United States being led by an individual who knows or believes in at least some of those values, some of those moral values because that clearly is not the case. What we're seeing here is immorality as official state policy and the Saudis are pretty dirty to on the show today an obits for political pimp. But I, he's the owner of the comedy cellar. The high profile stand up club that many Dworman co founded in the nineteen eighties. His name is Noam doormen and you might have heard of him in the comedy cellar because Louis c. k. has been appearing there lately, perhaps in fact, more times than has been reported. Gnome has weathered a lot of criticism, and he is not duct requests. He explained himself. So here he is to talk about his thought process and exactly how it works when a radioactive genius comic. Wants to pursue his craft, and you're the guy who owns the stage. The comedy cellar is New York's premier comedy club. It wasn't always this way. There was a time when there were three big clubs and when was the improv and the comic strip, which is still there and catch a rising star and then to closed and times changed. But now for at least a decade, the comedy cellar is the premier place and one of the things it was early on the map. But if if anything cemented this in the national imagination is the fact that it's featured in the beginning of Louis, the FX show starring Louis c. k. and many of Louis sets were filmed there. And this was just telling America what people in the comedy community in New York always knew that this was the epicenter will Louis and the comedy cellar are back in the news have been in the last few weeks as Louis c. k. is trying perhaps something of a comeback, and he does what is called dropping sets, which are tradition of the club. One of the reasons why people would want to go there that anyway. Even the biggest name comics can show up. But of course, when you have the baggage of Louis c. k. this is fraught and comes with problems. The problems have been visited upon my guest Noam Dworman is the owner of the comedy cellar, and he's had to navigate all this. Hello gnome. How are you? Can very well, Mike, thank you. How of all the comics that have come through and have been important and John Stewart and Colin Quinn and Chris rock, how important was Louis to the comedy cellar? Well, when his show hit big and people started reenacting the introduction to the Lewis show, you know, to send home to their friends was New York tourist or stuff like that. We realize it was very important much more important than than anything had been prior, including Jerry Seinfeld. Did his documentary comedian, mostly at the comedy cellar, tough crowd, which was just comedy, cellar, comedians, and was based on the comedy cellar. Yeah, but something about Louis and happening at the at the internet age and social and. All of this kind of perfect storm of thing that it had an effect on us that nothing had ever previously. I don't think anything could have. Do you have? Did you have a close professional and or personal relationship with Louis? No, not at all. Not at all. And MAB. No. Louis, I guess the late eighties since I was a kid in my twenties and he's always been an aloof character. The most important stories about Louise like he had some really bitter fights on my father. I think once on my father yelled at him, you're not funny or those lending ridiculous like that, but never never denied him sets. Now he would y'all, you're not funny, but of course he had his bond never tonight himself. And were you aware of the rumors the factual rumors about him before they came out in public? I wasn't well. I was not before they came out in public. I was starting with Gawker. Yeah, and maybe slightly before that it bubbled up at the last minute. Who was a somebody alluded to it? Maybe it was Tig. Somebody had alluded to it. You know, within the last two years and that's and that all happen. I think what happened was Jen Kirkman talked about a male comic doing these things, but shouldn't put a name to that. And maybe at that point, somebody attached at the close when might have told me that it's Louis and I don't know whether to take it seriously or not. But other people apparently knew these rumors for many years. Yeah, but I didn't. Okay. Let's talk about him coming in and doing these drop insets. How many has he done so far? Maybe six, six. And I, I don't know that six have been reported now they, well, he also had Caroline's. He did governors. He's been most of them the cellar and no, they stopped reporting each one. I mean, there's always there's always somebody tweeting it about Sunday some way. But so when he comes, what's the process? Who does he have to notify that he wants to go on? Well, we have a little bit more organized now than we did. So we're communication with him. And I kind of of some idea when he's gonna come. He'll tell you what a day ahead of time or today. I want to say, I don't wanna clue. Do the mob into anything that might be used, but I don't want get ahead. But then we also have this policy now where we warn all the customers switch your own risk, somebody may show that you don't like yes, and if they do and you wanna leave, whatever you've eaten a drink and with our eight nor drank, it's fine. Check on house. You can go. You are allowed to walk out during his set. Okay. Has have people taking advantage of that. I want to say this clearly. Have people ask for their money back? No, they don't pay. That's the thing. Yeah, at the sell. You don't pay until you leak. So if people said, I objected, you said, thanks for coming in. That's it. And they just leave how many people have done that. The last two sets zero. It depends on how well he does in his set. If he's very, very funny people will just wanna stay. Anyway, said one said that didn't go so well, and that's like seven seventy. Nine people love. But that was the. That was the anomaly maybe another set to people left and the last couple of nobody's left. How'd you come to that policy? Louis was the first comedian to become a little radioactive most famous and the most seriously radioactive and I- toyed with the idea, but it just I have a little trouble and then it would kind of fade away so I never followed up on it. But with the Louis thing, especially the one question when it all happened that I didn't have a good answer for is what about these people who are upset by this and they're ambushed and they have no choice in the matter. And I had to decide how to handle that. So this became the natural way to handle it, which is make sure that everybody knows it's up to you. We're not dragging you in here. I, I don't want anybody to hold me accountable. For this stuff. It's not a safe space. It's a comedy club. You may not approve close friends of mine, don't approve, but if you come this way. It is. Yeah. Was there ever a thought of either with Louis or anyone else in who had been given stage time and either broke the law or transgressed in some way? Have you ever given serious thought to because of this person's morality? Our actions in the world, he's not going to have the platform that I provide. Have you ever thought about that? Yeah, I think about it. It's, I mean before this habit he was what about if Cosby walks in, you know? And I've tried at all to avoid going down that road as much as I can because I know that quickly of going to end up a hypocrite. What about why did you do this for? Why? Not? That one at this one. So this gets called into my son has not just with say transgress, like if somebody has written something like really anti semitic on Facebook that's happened. I just I just. Ignore it, you know? And there is, there has been one situation where I I was on comfortable out something and I did draw a line, but I never told anybody. I draw drew a line and I really don't like to substitute my judgment for the audiences. Judgment. I think that's one of the reasons the club works. This is what I wanted to ask you. There seemed to be different principles intention in making the decision and not just yes or no, but then how to do it. What do you perceive those principles to be? Yeah. Well, the the biggest customer would Ted Alexandro so Charlie Zander everybody should go go him on his anti Louis thing. Right. We just let me go back to writing jokes about how men are the. Gravest threat to safety of women. But he doesn't. He doesn't just you. He walks the walk. I think that is to be mended. He's a performance ours and tells a friend of mine, and I sat with him and I looked at him. I said, Ted, if you were to look me in the eyes right now, and you've heard me say this if you were looking Manny is right now and tell me that dome fifteen years ago, I did something like what Louis did. I don't do it anymore. I'm ashamed, but I did it. I said, would you expect me to say, get your crap and get out of here? You don't work here anymore. And I think the answer to that is obviously no. No, that doesn't. That doesn't happen. In the real world, somebody admit something or confesses something a boss gets wind of it. If it doesn't concern his car behavior, they you don't throw somebody out for that. Now he interestingly, he would not engage on the question. He looked away like in a dog looks away when this danger and I, and that is been telling to me that when I make an argument like that, they don't refute it or they don't acknowledge it in some way and that integrate, yes, you're right. But however, like I could make the argument, yes, but because everybody's looking, we have to worry about the impact on me to that wouldn't occur if nobody knew about it like that could be an answer an answer to that, but that's an answer, but they won't answer it all similar. Like I mean, I've been through the arguments Valentine's, but like for instance, just last week, Bill Clinton's doing a new speaking. Torn out, right? Yeah. Has anybody come at his anybody gonna come at those venues? That Bill Clinton speaks that I, I don't believe that they will. Now he's everyone going to put the. Apollo on blast for inviting booking. Bill Clinton? Yeah. Yeah. They're not gonna and Bill Clinton credibly, accused of rape, you know, anti hasn't confessed Chris Brown. I mean, the list is long of people who have not been held to this kind of singular standard. This, this whole idea that there's a new institution of punishment, which is not criminal, not civil, not a labor hearing, but when if none of that fails that if you can get some people to put pressure on an employer on Twitter, that's the way we're going to have a people now losing jobs, and it's happened, not just the famous people, somebody says the wrong thing and whole wants that kind of world. So let me you'll have a job magin. You said something someone they found us on the you said, fifteen years ago had a college, they start tweeting slices. All we. Sorry, we got to let you go, it's it's. That's where we're moving. And I'm trying to push back on that, I guess. But if I was chronically masturbating in front of people who didn't quite say, yes, then it would be a different thing. What you think. If you've Inc so you if you masturbated we don't. We first of all. Okay. Let let's okay. I'll take your hypothetical. I just want to put that hypothetical on Louis that didn't say, yes, you don't. We don't know all that, but let's presume you didn't. They didn't say yes, it's fifteen years ago and you don't do it anymore and it wasn't in slates workplace. It was a hotel room in Aspen. Yeah, and they found out about it and. You look at what? What would the courts have done? Even if they could prove it? No, you I'm not talking about legally. And do you think that they would wanna fire you or they would just fired a buckle? If the boss found out about it, but it wasn't on Twitter wasn't say, I need to get you out of here. In Moore, he just buckled to Twitter in tooth. Well, in the boss, a woman and in two thousand eighteen. I think that there'd be a good. I think that there'd be a lot of wanting to fire me. I do because I think that you define your. I mean in this hypothetical, you know, there's a brand and there's what values do we stand for conversation and especially at a place like sleet which is different from a place like the comedy cellar. See, I think one of your principles is free expression and one of slates principles to, but like really pushing people and maybe even making them upset for a purpose for a comic purpose. Yeah, I think that that would be a problem. I don't be defensive, but wouldn't shock me and wouldn't think it was the greatest miscarriage of Justice. Office if they didn't want to associate their brand with someone who engage in that behaviour because it went well didn't make amends who at that point seems to, they don't know if you made them. Well, this is this is going to lead me to a couple of other questions. One part of the criticism is that it seems like his at from what we know of his actual sats. There's no grappling with what he did now. I think I know a little bit about how comedy works. Maybe he's building to that place and you can't get there until you try a bunch of material at a place like the comedy cellar. And I think that if one day he was two and this could happen because he's so brilliant, he could someday have an act which puts out some version of an explanation or an apology or some grappling with it. Maybe people will be able to understand it better. So in his six sets, has he approached that territory yet. And do you think he should? Well, I've said publicly from day one. I wish that he would. I, I didn't use your phraseology of do. I think he should because I think that from his own interests what we best for him. I thought at the time that he should say something. Now I have to tell you that when people do say these things, I'm always surprised at how much people credit them because I believe they're almost always hostage videos when when when somebody is put under the unique to say, so they say it and it could be sincere. But people seem to suspend disbelief in assume that there's sincere like they would really like, okay, now he's, we got him to say it. And he said in like now that now we know he's feeling differently. I was one thing in his behalf. He's not a guy wants to make a hostage video. I know that guy. He's like John McCain in the prison camp. He's like, I'm not. I'm not saying I'll I will sit and take the torture this. Oh, I believe that part of it. Is he just what? When he does finally address it? He wants. To make sure it's sincere. He knows what he could say. He knows, you know, he could get a PR company, right? Three sentences Sates they see, I done it and he doesn't wanna be that guy. Yeah. Here's something that Paul Tompkins tweeted, who's I think really funny comedian the there's going to be harsh, but here it is obviously the owner of the seller, you know, has no moral courage. So let's the audience vote and calms them if they're upset, but lost in this is what a coward Louis is in an age when Dave Chapelle congest show up somewhere and you four hour sets off the top of his head. Louis could book a theater and do an hour, promoting it as an experimental workout, and they have plenty of willing people show up. So that's his idea why haven't used the seller. Well, first of all, I do have moral courage and may not be the morale, the moral take that he has on things, but there's no benefit to what on doing here except trying to. Not behave in the way that is because people on Twitter and social meteoroid attacking me. I'm very happy again. If I reach out the Paul, Tompkins, I said, why don't you come down? Let's let's talk about this. There are competing principles and as difficult especially when oppressively comes important, like even thou shall not kill. Well, actually there are competing principles so that self defense war, whatever it is, you know, abortion would, however you want to look you in the first amendment rights nights at the comedy cellar. And your venues saw, obviously with the first amendment like people who believe that evidence is obtained improperly, they want to let the murderer go, oh, you, you support murderers, no there, competing principles and saw I object to that. And as far as Louis going, and this this, I think, look, there's a lot of talk now just this last week about the issue, civility and whether or not it's okay to be uncivil and disrupt and. The fact is that if lui were to put his name anywhere on his show, people would show up there to disrupt it. And this is an unintended consequence of this kind of lower and lower barrier that we have too judging people who want to be on civil. I could imagine a culture where people would draw a line like we'd, yes. Okay to protest. But you don't go into Rupp the show. We are not in that vibe right now is a society. So again, I would ask Mr., Tom is well, do you really think that would work what you really think would happen? If Louis said, you know, come tonight, Louis c. k. I mean, don't we all know what would happen? Is that really a fair thing? I mean, say what you want about Louis maybe should never perform again, but that's not really going to work. All right. No, Dworman is the owner of the comedy cellar. And if you haven't booked your ticket yet, you can't because they're sold out this weekend. I'm guessing again, you contact me that you heard me on the gist. I'll get your ticket. Dorming. Thanks very much. No, thank you. Now the spiel Ron, Jeremy found him dead in his bed. He was partying the night before with Grover Norquist. He owns the place where Lamar Odom OD his series ran on HBO longer than Westworld has. He was Dennis huff owner of the self-proclaimed world, famous moonlite bunny ranch in Peru, Nevada, he was well and still may be elected to the Nevada State assembly. Dennis Hof won the primary as a Republican beating incumbent while calling himself the Trump from Peru up his opponent democrat, Lisa Romanov when informed that Dennis Hof died this morning in his bed or at least was found by Ron, Jeremy dead in his bed. Had this to say about the passing quote, my heart goes out to those who care about him. Just a crazy turn of events. Now it should read. My heart goes out for those who cared for him. I kind of read it like, well, if you cared about the guy sorry. But actually when I saw tape of the statement of democrat, Lisa Romanov you could tell it was really quite heartfelt. Here's a bit of that. I'm stunned. This is not the turn that I would expect. Obviously. I'm just done it. This is not anything that I would have ever guessed would happen. You know if Mohammed bin Salman could muster that level of sincerity, maybe someone besides Donald Trump will believe him beside the fact of Ron, Jeremy funding him dead and Grover. Norquist for Norquist attending an elect Khaw event. Guess who else was there last night before Dennis Hof the brothel-owners died. It was sheriff Joe Arpaio. Now maybe you should know this about Dennis Hof and Mr. law and order. And of course, pardoned felon sheriff Joe in Dennis Hof sheriff. Joe was stumping for an accused rapist numerous prostitutes who worked for half say he raped them the Las Vegas review journal, Ren this quote from Jennifer, oh Kane, who worked as a prostitute at Hoff's love ranch in two thousand eleven quote. My rapist is dead. He doesn't get three square meals a day. There's no more drugging. Other girls, there is no more raping other girls and her allegations, and the allegations of others have been public for months. So voters knew about this when they voted for them and national political figures knew about these charges when they showed up and campaign for him and not just sheriff Joe Arpaio and not just Grover. Norquist, Tucker, Carlson Tucker, Carlson wrote a chapter and Hoff's book. And according to the deceased brothel owner made an introduction to Roger stone who advised Hoff's campaign Hof in an interview with Rolling Stone said he texted with Tucker, daily quote, I love Tucker, and I always try to give him ideas for his show Hof specifically cited Carlson as an inspiration as he spoke from the stage during the campaign event last night. Now the tape I'm gonna play is from the crowd, but you can clearly hear Hof citing Carlson as an inspiration. And personally telling half to just flat out rebut the allegations of rape, these new version. Carlson. When they come out until them is. Drug route intersects job. Your rapists on craft lies. He's still fall in the bay kgo explaining yourself. You know, us lies the election's over will Neal straightforward. Don't explain yourself. That does seem to be the playbook up until I guess Ron, Jeremy finds you dead in your bed. The next day under state law Hof will remain on the ballot. If he is to win the county commissions for the three counties that are in his assembly district left to get together, and they will be tasked with appointing another member of the same political party which is Republican. This is not an unlikely event. Republicans rule that assembly district Dennis Hof was seventy two years old. That's it for today. Show that just was produced by pure Vietnamese and Daniel Schroeder who endorsed the concept of rogue killers, but specifically as it relates to the band, the killers. Yeah, we got soul, not a soldier. It's all by now. Brandon. TJ Rafael is senior producer of sleep. Podcasts. She blames rogue Diller's who are Kudreh of breakaway, stand up, comics do the bits of Phyllis Diller, but don't fully commit. 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Episode 13 Alex More from BunnyRanch

BunnyRanch Podcast

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Episode 13 Alex More from BunnyRanch

"Hello Hello and welcome back listeners to another episode of the Bunny Ranch podcast my name is Alice it's Daddy D if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch it ain't going down at all stolen at the me she is wonderful amazing we have been blessed with their presence at the ranch for several months now please help me welcome Alex Mara more everyone's so nice to see you and and for you guys to hear us yes and for those who are listening in over podcast we yeah like what are your long term goals well my long term goal is to finish designing my house so I got most of it done in La when I lived have a youtube channel as well where you are able to kind of see and participate in some of the action there right Oh my gosh so how has your week been it's been really good folks looking for that kind of connection can really find somebody who can bring that to the table excited so what else moved with you any cats I did some excited to be here full time Kinda like dedicate the next few years I think to the Bunny Ranch Oh that is amazing change for me and weeks and what you would feel like not getting this year cats and dogs exactly it's Nice Guy so I am so glad that you are a local that is fantastic have a sixteen year old Pekinese Poodle Oh my God stop pounds and I've had him since I was very young and they have an eleven year old Jack Russell terrier I love and I very appreciate that I've got three to I was at home and my my first child in me is definitely my so my new place here in Reno fulltime huge just moved to the area like a few weeks ago yes I signed by at least last Monday because we're able to build those long term connections not just once or twice but months or years evenings it's it's really fun so it's really good to know that you're going to be here so bad that I killed an aloe vera which is very difficult to do yeah but you know what it just Kinda gotta get plans being of relationship building I really feel like those of us that are local and stand by in the local area here really have the opportunity to embrace people in that unique way such a crazy plant lady I don't like a some of death so like I'm just GonNa give all my house plans to you here save them I used to be that way actually when you're traveling back and forth as many of the girls do what people don't realize the fact that the girls aren't traveling for quite a ways imagine leaving your home for a couple of is there and now that I'm moving I can kind of like you know just spruce the place up get some new plants I'm a superhero to have my house filled with new plants Eh. Yeah I had a you know a few repeats gentlemen come in and visit me so it's always nice to build relationships and I have gone the plan yeah I love them to pieces I'm definitely excited to have them here with me yes that makes it really really nice this way able to really connect with them to you hold me hold me cuddle me I'm the favourite exactly that's uneasy Liz yeah so you know it's like it's fine there little dogs they're just the cutest things uh-huh oh that's lovely for those that don't know the buddy ranches about a forty minute drive from the most beautiful place on Earth Lake Tahoe its yeah I know it's bad to pick favorites she's my favorite it's okay that's okay we all have I raised her from puppyhood and the other one is more of a family dog and God shocked she's like my so what were you doing when you're living in La so when I was in la I was performing in adult films do that for about three incredible during the summer there's just so many different activities there's a beach to enjoy entering the winters skiing snowboarding's which I've never done very hardy and that are low luminance like a segment or amazing it's true unless you over water them and then they mold and then yes you have to water them only it's really interesting I feel like what's one reason why I think I'm starting to want to focus on the bunny ranch more is because I can build relationships and intimacy whereas this is the potentialities really blossoming grow which is awesome rates exactly so and my background in social work really I'm a people person and I love him was definitely like one of the most fun decisions I've ever made in my life I got to make a lot of great fans and shoot a lot of great movie people underestimate that to you know they underestimate you know you're helping them through maybe some sexual things or emotional things while you're spending time with them and while you're being intimate with he's and have a lot of fun with my coworkers you know because it's like you're building a much more fun relationship than you would at lake an a desk job so you're building like a more intimate relationship with your clients whereas in porn you can build a friendship with your co worker but you know you know once every two weeks yeah I I right now yes I'm excited about that I'm really the especially once the sun sets I'm going to have to so I was living in L. A. for the last three years so I'm really happy warm clothes you know I feel like I've learned so much they're getting to connect with my guests and just different life lessons stories that they've shared like does anything stick out in your mind that you've learned up a little bit more to people I think because like you know I was already very open minded but to learn to be too bill in years if anybody still wants to shoot with me they're more than welcome to like schedule in my schedule but right now I'm focusing more on the bunny ranch but shooting worn seymour not even just inside my head at the Bunny ranch but outside you know laying texting collie having a drink going on out dates things like that going to work you're doing the scene where you are intimate during them and then you leave Seattle it's very constricted very just moments in time Lake Tahoe all day of many firsts amazing absolutely yeah definitely lean into it enjoy bundle up we can get earned from the straw man you know I really that's a really good question I've really learned to open myself are you supposed to find out let somebody likes I mean you can play the guessing game or you could just use your words though writing yes safeway rather than with someone I didn't know well and so now I'm able to do that safely with people that I don't know well because I learned how to how to owners that I had a long term partners and so I felt very safe exploring with them yes and that was really nice because I got to do some more wild things that like I think in damn you're helping them with intimacy itself Oh one hundred percent of it's a journey of self discovery of both the self and also a journey of discovery for the sex worker I know you really again it's a different type of intimacy than at the ranch slack could you maybe speak to some of the differences between the two worlds for those that are curious Yes for the first few years of being sexually active was pretty tame and I slowly explored with my it comes to social work it's like has lended to sex work so now mostly it's it's kind of like all of those things kind of came together and brought you to kind of idealistic career in a way yes exactly it's cool it's interesting to I mean what were your sex experiences light back outside of the porn world like we're very adventurous before entering porn or did that kind of I expose you to a lot of those experiences so I actually Mellon's to my personal life so in my personal life I'm poly-amorous and pollyannas is huge when it comes to communications that in my personal life and then communication I sexually experience in exploration I can safely mentor other people in their sexual experience in exploration and it's again it's about imparting knowledge sharing with safely with people that I knew absolutely it's about establishing trust and gaining experience it's like all things for example Israel yes so that's another thing I'm looking forward to going shopping for winter keep winter clothes and there's so many out here to options plenary plenty of options super excited those listening they're like oh wow that sounds amazing like I could probably use some advice on how to go out and connect with the girl during a first state is that something that you're willing to do with your guest is kind of old intimacy with someone that you have just met is a really really really fun new skill that is and I'm learning and it feels really good to learn it like unhappy and I want to be able to help them in whatever form that I can and I feel like when you're a sex agree there is a lot of ways that you help you know the people that come in seal you it sorry apple if you go scuba diving for the first time you're bringing inexperienced stivers with you that's going to help you with your oxygen regulation even though you've teach and pass those skills on to them Oh my God is a great idea yes I've done it a few times already I feel like in some instances and I would love to do that more I think that you know I love only wait what I've never skied or snowboarded you I really excited to go everything related yeah we'll never I went to my community college and got my liberal arts associates and my social work associates and then has worked on my bachelors in social work haven't yet completed we're done before you've never had that experience you have somebody kind of guiding in mentoring you through it just like just like skydiving which I would never i Italy time because I did have associate's degree so you know I've worked with many different populations I've worked with people with disabilities I've worked with people with mental illness I've worked with the elderly and every then through the you know the porn industry as well I got to learn a lot about my sexuality through there and so I feel like because I was able to be safely mentored in talked of these ridiculous attributes like Oh that person's autistic this person over the age of fifty and when you remove all that stigma bad right is that must've been so rewarding awarding and it's definitely something you know that I want to continue with social work later on in my life communication during parties I am the million questions ended conversations within the intimate space is in valuable in preconceived bias around what those people should be you actually get to see them for who they are in it's such treasure to get to experience voiced because let's be realistic previously in the history of sex work our voices have been continuously discounted ignored SME- right that's that's cute but let's start the conversation again without stigma now rates exactly so I wanna be it's somebody you've never met before like those are valuable life skills in general totally helps your work it helps us your personal life lake thing how did you get involved getting in the way yes it's very much about Trans versing these boundaries and making things accessible and not only that but empowering people to use you mean like it really speaks to this larger social issue we have in terms of throwaway culture in that we look at people and we devalue them you know what I mean I really really wanted to blossom in that and I really want other people to really realise that I'm taking it very seriously they mean like like for for again able to use my experience a sex worker and my experiences social worker to be able to be someone that can be beneficial to other people's lives without that stigma that but I do want to eventually complete that you have plenty of time but I was able to do a lot of hands on social work jobs in the social work anyway so actually it's Rennes my family my mom is a social worker and now for a very long time and I graduated now I want to do it in the sex worker yeah she likes sex workers don't have enough resources preach or you know sex positive this sermon oh my goodness yes so what's interesting is that it sounds like you and I are Kinda for the same thing which is bull decriminalization and legalization saying that it's a pathology rather than Oh yeah we're choice it's terrifying when they view sex work is being symptomatic of something exciting sanely in a way that works is beneficial to everyone involved exactly like let's be honest having STD's STI protocols within this and I was like Oh my God there's an actual career because this is like just before my mom started in that program so discovered the program at the same time a single population that I worked with were I found incredible in each one felix that really lends to also being able to help and deal with a lot of populations in sex work the great American social experiment since nineteen seventy is it's been legal here in clearly it's working it's beyond me that since nineteen girls that are in legal trouble or or men but like sex workers that are in legal trouble I wanna be able to without additionally pathologising them in the end and adding stigma and it was other people and then enabling them to take that and use it in a way that's beneficial to the rest of their lives and relationships still because I feel like so many of the skills are learned intimately kind of cross over to just everyday life that's so true like how how to have a conversation with somebody how to get friendly and comfortable it's just it's about those simple little things that really are beneficial for everyone and when you think about it testing in general is just so undervalued in this country up space so in the world you are tested every two weeks on work unless you have a clear test we get tested for nearly every packaged together so that not only is there this removal of limitations but then there's also the establishment of this is how we do this safely seventy really another state hasn't done this year rights what we've gotTA STEP UP OUR GAME USA exactly there are tons of other countries and places that have really I was just about to say that I feel like if sex work was more legalized in the rest of the United States and if the stigma was reduced excited to coordinate I out dates should be someone made a deposit I'm really excited to meet with him in November when we went to Lake Tahoe viewpoint I'll go scuba diving I go we'll stick to that that metaphor there so I feel like I got a lot of guidance and mentorship INS my sexuality through my partners when I was younger and growing up seventeen in new that I want to help people but I didn't know how side took an aptitude test at my community college and they suggested social work as a career for me Oh yes and everyone needs to see each other tests and usually most companies will have you look at their tests as a printout or on the website itself and the new science sex work throughout ancient times that is where we were were sex workers worked in these temples they were educators often times young boys were paired with sex workers to learn those types of things about themselves many we have historical documentation of all of this lake there's literally like sex worker Griffey wants to be able to try to change the game in the United States and the ad is a forefronts for what we should be doing throughout the rest of the country oh without a doubt it's been it's it's interesting to me you say we have to work towards that but almost in a way I feel like we have to go back to that because if you look at history and now stepped up in terms of you know the legalization and the way things work like New Zealand for example they have a great system going on Oh my God I love you that in the United States Lynn model story is in everyone's best interest xactly and that's something that's true in the porn world to testing requirements like what does it look like in thanks we as a country need to get over this weird fear and stigma we have about any sex conversations and simply be willing to open up in half you are informed that is an amazing system like within our space how it works is that in order for our cards remain active we have to receive that testing and live reactions to the tune eighty for education at a grand scale which talks in a public forum without shame being associated with it and reducing stigma and around sex workers will in turn help sex workers being more of an educator and yes and that leads into my next also career goal after that we're in conjunction I'm not sure yet is I want to go to law school yes he's has I want to help you know off on that we have paper you know proves that you did have visual look at their tests not allowed to be on the floor which is kind of the same visual guarantee if the lady is in this space then you know that the state has cleared all of her paperwork and she is good to go actually times oh goodness yes in Japan I learned that there was a shrine that's dedicated to sex workers and so I'm trying to arrange for a translate have a positive relationship with other people in the country that's that's in general we need to work towards valuable and I think people undervalue sex workers let's all be grateful for the fact that you know we do have HIV medication that allows people with that condition to live successfully but what did we do the next time something happens girl's trip of a sex worker girls trip to go look at different areas of the world yes there are proof of amazing sex sex work experiences and things that happen that just are really memorable and unique like have you had any of those experiences yet yeah I've had a ton of amazing experience bar and I've only been here for four months but I plan on having many more but one that comes to mind is you know there are people that have a variety of we do have the bunny ranch is to have a hot party Oh yes yeah and you know the great thing about the location of the Bunny ranch is that you can see all the stars working so international I really do feel like we have something special happening here in Nevada just within the space that we have here at the Bunny ranch I feel like there's so many funny I and allow time to slow down like if you haven't done it don't knock it like yeah it is such a beautiful intimate different things that they like to do so like you never run out of variety options upon option yes so one of the options go with me when I travel back there again next year and kind of get to have that experience learn more about this space there because like you said this isn't something that's just happening here it exists all over the world is just here in the states is a little bit localize right I feel like it's part of the human condition it is literally so even though ever actually gone out in a hot tub with a beautiful woman bottle of champagne played some like light love music and just looked at the stars and just appreciated that space why and I look forward to seeing him again October but you know we had a wonderful time in the hot tub we reported many many times and you know totally be nude in the hot tub yes I've had a few amazing hot tub parties on one recently was with someone who's on the message board so he's really great people underestimate you know that you can actually have very intimate fun time in a hot tub it's true for those that sounds stereotypical no like he He and I just sat nude you know had some drinks looked under the are was under the stars we've got to have some intimate kiss it was very very wonderful experience really is the only word that's applicable here is it's just it's so real and honest getting to share something like just just the night sky it's true the back area there it's private secluded no one from the outside is able to look in so it's kind of our own secret sex garden and away right and you can yeah it goes to show it's not just for small children which as we know children will literally fail to thrive without being cuddled and cared and caress that you know I really enjoyed about the hot tub party done Oh my gosh there's just so many different ways to connect out here we've got a beautiful heated saltwater I believe that all levels of humanity require touch to a certain degree and I honestly feel like if more people paid attention to their touch pool with an attached Jacuzzi Tub we've got the standalone Jacuzzi which is so nice and of course there's always the option of travelling out and about the local area cuddly intimate late and it's just it's again it's about being able to share yourself in such a genuine capacity that just it feels so nice is recently a statistic that came out showing that elderly individuals were scheduling repetitive doctors appointments simply seeking touch and he cares Carrboro here I don't know if people know this but a lot of social workers psychiatrists things like that they actually pathologies a lot of people that are insects work means they would be so much healthier overall right it's great for mental health it's great for a a ton of things and I think that's one thing that's the in Pompeii like the bad social I didn't know about Oh oh my God I want to go so bad and like actually take a Selfie with that that would be really cool that would lend to the rest of the population learning more about STI testing awareness turn would reduce levels you know what I mean like they would be so much pat ofo Reno even up Virginia city able hot spring yes local hot springs are nice to again secluded private space where you can just be warm family in any way it's it's very very good we need touch and we are a touch starved society absolute number one thing I want to be able to you know really make sure that they are leaving genuinely that someone like magic talk about anything under the stars and we get to know each other and to be warm and cold Z. and have just I think like people forget how much like just being nude next to someone and touching each other's bodies together is like very very good for you like emotion keep in touch between appointments over ray X. messages or email message 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BunnyRanch Podcast Episode One with Guest Abby Avery, Hosted by Alice Little

BunnyRanch Podcast

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BunnyRanch Podcast Episode One with Guest Abby Avery, Hosted by Alice Little

"It's daddy d if it ain't going down at the bunny ranch. It ain't going down at all store. Hello oh my name is alice. Little in i am a legal sex worker at the world famous moonlite bunny ranch located right here in carson city nevada today. I have a very special guest with me from one of our sister locations this sagebrush ranch now. This lady is known for her bedroom communication in nonstop. She is just phenomenal kind. Warm and carrying are three adjectives that most accurately described please. Please welcome my guest abby avery hi. Hey how are you doing today. I am so fantastic and i'm so excited to be here with you me too and they have such a fun topic that we're going to be talking about today. There's so many different reasons and ways that people find the bunny ranch and i know that your story happens to be particularly secularly interesting yeah so well. I originally heard about the ranch's through the show a lot of girls find it that way but i was actually <hes> teaching at the time as a public schoolteacher and i i always wanted to come here and ever thought i could because of my my career and everything but i've always had an interest in human consensuality and intimacy and studying not just the physical but the psychological as well and so eventually when i realized i was done with the public education system. I said you know i'm gonna do something for myself and i applied and i came out here and it was so much more than what people think. It's been such a great experience. I felt empowered and it's changed changed for the better. Oh this incredible. Let's stop and go back a little bit and rewind. Tell me a little bit about why you chose to get into public education in the first place. Okay that's a great question so i originally went to college for photojournalism and then i explored that industry and i realized it really wasn't for me but i was simultaneously. Obviously taking a developmental psychology class really really fascinated with how the human brain develops an early child education and all of that so that's really what made made me change my major teaching so that's the reason why i went into education the first place oh that's incredible. It really sounds like you have a passion for the intellectual side of things and for understanding how people work motivates them. What would you say you learn from your time in the public education sector well. It's interesting when you're a schoolteacher because has you you see like a raw slice of society every day because children you know they're not they don't have filters so true that comes grill all backgrounds i actually i had there was a lot of that a lot of things that i learned from that job and i had to deal with that kind of stuff any funny stories you can share with us. Well kids. I'd say the funniest things right. I guess i just have a million memories of all the funny things they'd tell me and their jokes and it really shows their background where they came from two parent conference. I'd be like oh. This makes a lot of sense you know. Their personalities are a reflection of their families. That's really interesting too so i guess i've always been interested in sociology those y'all aji that way. Oh that's fascinating has obviously transpired to this job as well. I can see that what what skills did you use in the public education sector that kind of apply to this job so many good people would realize that right. I mean you think of public education and legal sex work and a lot of people would say well what what things are similar between those but i mean good communication skills knowing how to talk to all sorts of different people having compassion being kind caring being able to listen yes. I'm gonna go active. Listening listening. I think is one of the rarest skills in our society today you figure we don't teach it in school. So how are people supposed to learn that skill to begin with. I i feel like so much. Value is lost in society because we no longer know how to effectively communicate with each other how to share ideas back and forth how how to share a concept so this way someone else can add to them and as a result. It's made it very difficult for us as a society to find deep personal intimacy in meaningful ways absolutely that's that's what i think is so unique about this place is that it's one of the only places on earth that you can come in have an intimate experience with someone that is completely undisturbed technology like you get to go out to dinner with someone who is not on their cell phone texting the whole time yup there is such a huge focus some personal connection here and i think a lot of people lack that oh yeah so what would you say would be the greatest highlight for you when you have an experience with someone i really enjoy understanding their background and what their needs and their wants are and being able to just give them and experience that they'll never forget and that they truly value and cherish and then afterwards after are near the end of our experience together i love to just really early debrief and talk to them and and get to know them on a deeper level so it's just like levels of communication that i find really valuable i was going to say it's almost like the sex is good but the the after sex conversations even hotter yeah a lot of clients that tell me that that you know they'll come back and see me because we we establish that report and that connection and you know the time we have together physically is wonderful but then the after glow is what they loved the most the abbey avery afterglow scary and there you go exclusive live only sagebrush but it really is true. The public assumption has always been oh. It's about the sex at the bunny ranch wrong. It's anything but the sex it's all about the adventure the communication and connection that we get to establish here i love the fact that it allows us to be vulnerable and share so much of ourselves personally with our guests like when you're working with your guests. Would you say that it ends up being a benefit when you share share your past experiences. Yes absolutely because everyone wants to know why we all came here. I mean clients. I really fascinated by that and then then when they find out that we have all like you know there's so many stories here like all the ladies are here for different reasons that have different backgrounds and and i think clients really appreciate hearing about y and we came here and what our backgrounds are. Oh yeah it. It really is true. I've found the bunny ranch compliments of a sex educator. I was traveling around the country as a and sex educator teaching classes to man women couples and she happened to be working at the bunny ranch at the time time she shared a little bit about experience what it was like being in this space kind of gave me the idea to jump in and give it a go three years later and i never ever left so clearly it ended up being good fed right and then i find myself telling my friends and family too because everyone's very there's miss. There's misinformation out there. Everyone's really uneducated about how this works what we do and the services that we really provide to society and so even in my personal life i find that i- <music> i'm educating everyone around me and enlightening them and and people are shocked and in a pleasant way oh yeah not a lot of people realize this but as sex workers were also given the secondary job of being sex work ambassadors in a way we essentially act as representatives for the brothel industry and intern educate the greater society on what it is we do and who we are as people really made me want to get more into advocacy to oh. Oh yes what would you say are some of the biggest misconceptions that people have about this world well people that were dirty which is not true wrong not not surreal held. The doctor system works within the legal brothels is that sex workers are required by law to visit the doctor every single week for a slob. She is unable to work until those test results. Come back clear and negative. It works out phenomenally that way plus you figure condoms are required quired for all sexual activities so protection is used so to say that we're dirty is definitely inaccurate and we are definitely trained to be honestly. I think women learn safer practices here in the real world i in trail. Not a lot of people realize this but did you know that there's a quick medical. Check for our guests. Tests often times referred to as a dc before the encounter actually begins. This is both for our protection as well as the guest protection it. Let's do a quick visual exam. Make sure everything looks happy healthy and ready to go before we jump into the bed together. What other misconceptions do you come across so another one. Is that that everything will we mentioned this earlier. We touched on it but everything is just about the physical which especially for my experiences is completely inaccurate not at all like would you tell me a little bit about about one time that you really connected with someone and it wasn't about the sex well i have had some clients had medical disabilities food. Tell us a little bit about that and so. I guess you could say outside of our our industry. They're unable to have a healthy sex. It's life stigmas that they face from other people or judgement or or miss information or confusion. Its partners behalf. There's a lot of lot a stigma around sex and disability and it really is unfortunate that it's so prevalent in society it is because everybody deserves a healthy sex life. Everybody deserves intimacy the and it doesn't matter if you have any kind of disability you should be allowed to have that too and so being able for that client being able to communicate with me it freely and space where that client fell completely a non judgmental environment. I felt like that person experienced a freedom that they hadn't been able to to have before and spewed at me. Feel really good. You know provide love it. Yeah like it really sounds like a life changing moment for someone did they lose their virginity to you by any chance that particular client no but i have had clients who were virgins and that is also a very special experience because a lot of times times. I find that virgins have so much. What's the word i'm looking for their. They have anxiety regarding their sexuality. Quality end their first sexual experience and i feel like we provide a space that allows them to be comfortable with that. It's true. It's really important to know that the nevada broncos are chris safe place for everybody disabled black white men women couples we are open and welcoming if you're transgender or if you're bisexual if you're not even sure what your sexuality is and you just want to learn more this is the space in which somebody can come have a personal connection with somebody and get to know them one on one to achieve all of their goals and everything that they want to your it's. It absolutely guts me that this opportunity is limited mounted just to nevada. It's so special that we have at here and it's essential that we protect the legality of the whole system. It's such a wonderful a full thing and i just wish more people knew about it and the benefits that it really had amongst society. What are some of the ways that you accommodate for disabled. Clients lance will get. I'm going to always go back to good communication because i feel like that's key for any but especially disabled clients. I wanna know their history their background what experiences it's as they had already a lot of questions. Go into it before the experience. Which is another thing that society. That's another misconception like people don't realize that we really can and get down to the nitty gritty before we get into the bedroom. I mean we can get history and we can find out what they've experienced what they wanna do and all the things so and that it matters a lot to it really does into the bed. You know no. It's not that i think the biggest advantage of setting up an appointment with illegal sex worker is that you actually have the ability to get to know them and develop a friendship like when i agree my guests in the parlor not interacting with a stranger like that's my friend and we've been texting each other for multiple weeks or months leading up to this experience or often times. I'll have repeat guests. Come back and it's like hanging out with an old friend all over again. Yes yup. It's it's such a great way of doing things and yet society continues to picture this as being champagne the museums and wildfire -ties now. That's not at all. There's such a psychological piece to it. Truly is and i oftentimes think that's the most valuable component of this because you figure everyone has sex sexist. Common sex's easy like who cares like it's sex yeah. I had sex jews. Ted says like it's sex but when you have a sexual experience where you connect with them. That's that's what you talk about. Not the sex you talk about the conversation you had afterwards all when we lay there and we talked about horses and got to know each other and we realized we both grew up on long island highland. It's so crazy. We actually went to the same restaurant. Those are the moments that i think are most special yeah when the stigma barriers are broken for client and for the lady i mean that just allows for such better deeper conversation. I mean because we as working girls we experience a lot of societal stigma regarding what we do and clients they how societal stigma regarding coming here a lot of times too but then they realize upon coming here that it's just such a wonderful place and i love those barriers various for shutting. I think most people feel very nervous when i think about coming to a brothel like a lot of people have felt that way. That's that's something that happens. Regularly you figure what people find though when they actually arrive is that the actual reality of this space is welcoming open in warm and most importantly non-judgmental yep and i love i find it interesting that we're talking about this because i find that i get a lot of first timers. Oh i i love being the first introduction because i really do a lot to make sure that they understand what this is about and what it can be for their future. I mean we educate people better sex practices. We allow people to become more in tune with themselves and what they need. We help couples like i just had my first i couple recently and they had never been with another person and this is a safe space for that too because you know someone's not going to get in the way of your relationship and you can explore different things together and really take your relationship to the next level. Oh yeah and like super valuable to let's talk about that for one second to think that a sex worker is gonna steal your man in the exact same thing as thinking that a childcare provider is gonna steal your two year old. Don't want your two year old. They're gonna give him back to you like you're you go freshly changed. I'll get to go here you go. Here's your guy happy and satisfied and now you even know some preferential techniques and things thing you can do at home to spice up your sex life and have better intimacy than ever. I think in so many ways this truly is a way to save relationships because it can be very threatening to go out and have a reese amount in the wild with a stranger. You don't know if that person has an sti. You don't know if if that person is a drug user you don't know what their criminal background is. The reality is in order to work within the legal industry. We're all required to undergo and f._b._i. The i- criminal background and fingerprint check you know that we're safe in clear of s._t._d.'s and sti is it's a drug free environment that kind of nonsense isn't isn't going to be tolerated and so when you come here and indulge in the experiences you can do so with the knowledge that it safe. It's legal. It's fun you can let your guard down and given to pleasure so revisiting some of those first time guests that you have at the ranch. What would you say is the most frequently. Let me ask question that you get well so typically. It starts with an email and i'll get an email from a client and they are very. They're not shy to let amino that never done this before a lot of times. They'll tell me either situation in detail as if i'm going to be judgmental of that or if there's a problem and and then the first thing i always say is don't ever feel any type of negative way about sharing anything with me like you can share everything this is a safe space and then then they also just procedural stuff they wanna know about like how does this work when i get there what happens <hes> you know all that kind of stuff so what it does happen when somebody comes to the ranch the first time let's say that they've emailed you interested in that world famous abbey avary afterglow experience. They've emailed l. d. u. They've set up a day and time told them to ring the bell twice to let the cashier know that you're there for an appointment rather than a lineup they come through the front gate there in the parlor of the sagebrush ranch. Now what happens so. I really do my best to make sure that i know exactly what kind of experience they're seeking before. They arrive drive so i like to be wearing something that they wanna see me in. I really love doing outfit requests. I come out and just that initial meeting so special because i know that they're nervous and then i do everything i can make them feel comfortable so i'll sit with them in the parlor and like we'll get to know which is a little bit. If we already haven't done that i like to maybe do like a facetime hall beforehand just so we can have that report by the time they get there and then i'll give them a tour. I'll show them all around. A lot of clients. Don't realize how large are spaces is and how many different rooms there are and and things that we can do. It's not like we just have to use my space. We can use the fantasy suite or its explore. Fantasies sees like <hes> that they also don't realize is yes. There's priceless ran bility's like the sagebrush ranch has a beautifully large fantasy suite with a four or post your bed deep jacuzzi tub big enough or two three four or more big spacious walk in shower and even a stage with the dancing. I'm paul of somebody's looking for a more exotic experience today. Yeah lots of different options here. It's really incredible and then typically either after the tour will head back to my space and i really enjoy showing my space because that's another great thing about our system that we can decorate and design our our rooms how he wished and it was really a big reflection of personality and i'd like to set a very comfortable space for my clients. When it comes to the lighting the i have a diffuser for like to make my room smell nice and like i have a lot of amenities for my clients to make them feel comfortable. I tell them when you're in my space i want it to be. I want you to feel like you're in your space too. Oh that's incredible bullock my my room. Is your room and this is our space together to explore whatever we need to and whatever we whatever we desire. It's so funny but like i'm getting like flashbacks to to my college days. I had taken some classes in psychology and they were talking about how you set up an office space. That should be warm. It should be welcoming. It should smell nias. Why is such a comfortable temperature. It should be well lit and feel comfortable and it's so funny because i'm hearing you intuitively doing all of those things to make. Somebody feel. Save this comfortable insecure. It's really wonderful yeah and then we might even have a drink at the bar beforehand. A lot of clients want to do that and that allows us time to get to know each other on a deeper level before we have anything physical happen so and then when we do have our time together and our time is over. I like to really give time to for my client to step back into reality because my moskvy is like when you're with me really want it to feel like you're taking out of the world it just given in this amazing experience <hes> so we might take a shower and clean up and just like debrief after kind of almost like a a slow wind down almost like aftercare in a way like this is how you're cared for after the experience of transitions in warms you back to the real world that's it's beautiful yeah and that's very important to me and that's a pillar of the kind of experience i provide and i love that we all have something different that we offer to as ladies who you work here i mean everybody has a different style. Everybody has something unique to offer and that's a beautiful thing too. <hes> it really is true. You'd figure that when a lady first comes to work within the legal propolis system she very much becomes the c._e._o. Of her own company she's able to choose what services to offer what kind of specialty she wants that's to focus on how she wants even name and brand herself and as such she's able to be true and genuine who she is as a person so true and that's a a big thing when i first came here i felt just such an empowerment i mean because society you know stigmatizes human sexuality and being sexually free and when i got here it's like wow like i can actually celebrate who i am as i also like. It was coming out to be honest with you and that's something clients. Don't realize either. I i learned a lot about myself through coming here and it's made me such a more well rounded person in general it really is true the personal development and growth that i've seen in myself self over the past three years like i do not feel like the same person i was three years ago because i actually started at the sagebrush ranch. It's like i remember coming through the parlor. Miller nervous beyond words like scared speechless like if you can believe that i was so stone nervous but i really found my confidence competence in this industry being able to advocate for myself being able to just put myself out there and seeing such positive results is really motivating and in what we want to do and what we don't want to do and who we want to work with and when we want to work and it really is the most perfect system possible for this kind of service purpose to exist within our society. It's such a free experience for for me and for my clients. I think it really is. I've always thought of it as almost like a coming of age ritual you figure in society there usually is kind of a right of passage that marks the passing from childhood into adulthood. Would we don't really have anything americans like we have a driver's license. We have cigarettes and we have gambling like that's not good enough. We need something better than that so i mean and why not come to a brothel to be. You're like adult rite of passage. Learn about yourself sexually learn how to communicate with future partners in set yourself up for future success. I mean we provide a public service just like any other service profession and that's that's another misconception of society. It's trail. It's is a very common one that we are viewed as being other like i always say we've got doctors for our physical health. We have mental health professionals for our mental health. We even have like priests and ritualised to take care of our spiritual needs who takes care of sexual health sex workers why why not us we are the right people for the job literally yup and you're having a happy healthy sex life. It affects every part of your life. I really aw when somebody leaves the ranch the carry themselves differently other shoulders back their head is up they feel confident and secure and that changes changes in effects all of your other actions. It almost has a ripple effects. Absolutely i recently had an experience with an entrepreneur. He was a younger version in his thirties. Thirties never really had the ability to express themselves sexually was very uncomfortable around women didn't know how to flirt and what he found is that after our we're time together all of a sudden. He felt way more confident in himself. He was being very bold and it resulted in him. Making some business choices that have ended up being tremendously tremendously successful and so a single encounter at the bunny ranch has now literally led to a lifetime of success for this person jason we change lives here. I've had clients who the they come out on a regular basis like twice a year. It's a regular thing for them. They look forward to it every time they come like it's christmas morning and i've had some of those clients i mean they've talked to me about maybe people they're dating back home and like how best to go about the next steps of pursuing a relationship nation ship with people like i've given dating advice and that's something i think a lot of people wouldn't wooden. Oh no no happens here right. Oh my god no like i've literally like sat there and help somebody work on their tinder profile part of inexperience and like given them some of my top women tips for how to pick up girls and where should you go to meet potential partner that has the same hobbies and interests that you do like that's all a part of this seal absolutely in what astounds me is that i'm sure are some of the listeners right now are thinking to themselves. Why would that sound so nice. How do i make something like that happen for me. Well it all starts with the first step of sending sending an email told you people reach you by the way so you can reach me at my email which is abby everett sagebrush ranch dot com you can visit any of the ranch websites and you can explore the ladies profiles get to know them better. We all have bios and we have videos and we have pictures and you can actually contact contact contact us through our profile on the website as well and then whenever my clients email me the initial email they'll receive a questionnaire back. It's just a short very short list of questions. I'd like to to get get to know my clients better what kind of experience they're seeking and then we just take it from there and usually i'll go back and forth with them a few times before they visit did and we set a date and once they have a date in mind and we agree on that they call and place their deposit for the appointment which reserves their space time slot for just this them and then they pretty much just get to come in have a great experience. It's amazing life is about what you make it and so if you want to have of something like this experience in your life make it happen for yourself like send that email right now. There's so many different ways to connect with the ladies. I we have the websites bonnier inch dot com sagebrush ranch dot com get cat wrench dot com and love wrench dot net you can visit all of the different ladies profiles see who's in town instead of your date. Don't be afraid it's such a great place to come and explore make an amazing connection and and learn about yourself to all right guys. That's about all we have for this week once again. I've been your host alex. Little you can find me on on my website the little dot com as well as on twitter under act the alice little lots of ladies have social media profiles so this way we're able to connect and interact with he'll we share pictures from our daily lives oftentimes will go live and enter your questions so this week. You're able to get a sense. The q._b._r. Is people before you come to the strange place for the first time. Where else are you on the internet so in addition to emailing me at abbey very ah sagebrush ranch dot com. You can also find me on twitter. My handle is abby zero as in the number zero avery and i'm working on some other things so stay posted. Ooh ooh sounds exciting. You'll definitely have to update us as things happen. Thank you all once again. It makes you subscribe so you never miss an episode of bunny ranch broadcast. See you next time bye.

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