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Why The U.S. Prison System Makes Mental Illness Worse (And How We Might Fix It)

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Why The U.S. Prison System Makes Mental Illness Worse (And How We Might Fix It)

"From whyy in Philadelphia. This is fresh air I'm Dave. Davies Infra Terry Gross today, the maddening impact of American incarceration psychiatrists Christine. MANTRAS patients with serious illnesses who end up in jail find their conditions inevitably deteriorate and psychiatric stable people who go to prison find their mental health undermined in a new book Montross takes readers to jails and prisons for a first hand. Look at the harm. The experience does, and she explores an alternative model for confinement and rehabilitation in effect in Norway. Her book is waiting for an Echo. Also TV critic David Ben Cooley reviews yet. Another new video streaming service peacock by NBC Universal. That's coming up on today's fresh air. Support for this podcast comes from the Neubauer family foundation, supporting whyy's fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation. My guest psychiatrists Christine Mantra has spent years tweeting people with serious mental illnesses, and she's noticed that many of her former patients end up in jails or prisons were there conditions inevitably deteriorate in her new book Montross notes that in America today there are ten times as many people with serious mental illness behind bars as there are in our state psychiatric hospitals. Incarceration she says usually makes mentally ill. People worse and renders stable, psychiatric, unwell making the prison system literally maddening. Dr Montross his book explores the reasons, people with mental illnesses get arrested and incarcerated. Should readers many prisons for a first hand? Look at the harm. The experience does, and she explores an alternative model for confinement and rehabilitation in effect in Norway. Christine mantras Twenty fifteen guggenheim fellow, general nonfiction, an associate professor of psychiatry and human behavior at the Brown. University Medical School and the author of two previous books. We spoke about her latest. It's called waiting for an echo the madness of American incarceration. Christine mantras welcome to fresh, air. Thanks, so much Dave I'm delighted to be here. You're a practicing psychiatrists. you create a lot of patients with serious mental? What's taking you to so many jails and prisons? So I work in an inpatient psychiatric hospital and I work on floors that are called the intensive care unit, which is like the psychiatric version of ICU. I've been struck over the years that my patients routinely come into contact with police, and sometimes those outcomes are helpful ones. Police bring them to the hospital, and sometimes those outcomes are really punitive ones. Police take them to jails and prisons. As I talk to my patients. They would often explained that the circumstances that led them to the police encounter were essentially the same reasons that brought them into the hospital so under-treated symptoms. You know The starbucks causing a disturbance in the community that really were more about their symptoms of mental illness, than about any kind of criminal behavior or intent, so I started to think about how my patients must do. In these moments of the police encounter, and how it must be for them to be in jails and prisons, so I decided I wanted to look for myself and see what those environments were like for the mentally ill people who are held in them, so you visited a lot of correctional facilities doing research you. You also do work in court cases right evaluating psychiatric patients right so so I visited a lot of prisons. I also began working in jails, doing competency to stand trial evaluation, so when the court asks whether someone is able to understand their court case the proceedings the charges that they're facing whether they're mentally well enough to work with their attorney. They often ask for the expert opinion of psychiatrists, so I began performing these evaluations as well to learn more about what goes on when mentally people are charged with crimes. Right and I wonder if you could just contrast the experience of. Talking to a patient in a treatment in a in a clinical setting. And going to a prison, where you're asking questions for a different purpose in a very different atmosphere, so they're there to really remarkable differences in those circumstances, one is the environment. One is what I'm being asked to do. And I had to learn a great deal about the difference in those two things, so so the the first one in terms of what I'm being asked to do when I am. AM seeing patients in the psychiatric hospital. I'm really charged with their care. And it is my job to diagnose them to treat them to comfort them in the midst of their suffering to work with them and their families, and the nurses that are providing their care and really try to help them manage and cope with the symptoms of their illness and help. Improve that as much as I can. When I'm working doing valuations in the jails and prisons, I'm really asked to be an objective analyst and to ask questions that try to determine almost a snap shot of the person's mental state in that moment, but it's not a clinical treatment, encounter and so that was a that was an important thing for me to learn that my job in that role was not to treat but was really to provide an objective analysis of what I was seeing in the moment. The other piece of the question is really a critical one as well, and we're talking about the difference between a punitive environment and a therapeutic one and one of the things that was so striking to me. When I started working in the jails and prisons were that the people that I was seeing in these two places were indistinguishable, so so the the patients that I was seeing in my hospital were indistinguishable, many times from the men and women that I was evaluating in jail, but the environments were so markedly different, one charged with again trying to help and heal, and the other really designed to control and punish. I. Want to talk about what you've seen in in correctional institutions, but but I wanNA talk a little more about this phenomenon of people with mental illnesses, being arrested and incarcerated. Why is it that so often people with mental illnesses who are clearly acting out their symptoms, not intending to necessarily steel or disturbed the peace or Or make people feel uncomfortable. End Up in jail. You write it. There's a phenomenon known as a compassionate arrest which seems like an ironic term. Right, so to really understand the origins of why there are so many mentally ill people in jails and prisons in America you really have to go back to the sixties and seventies and eighties, when large numbers of people were moved out of our state run hospitals, psychiatric hospitals with the goal of shifting mental health care from institutions to the communities, and as you said in the opening, and that was an enormous shift that closed down. State, psychiatric hospitals largely due to the nineteen sixty three community, mental health centers act that passed to enact this change of shifting people from hospitalized. Institutionalized lives into the community to receive their care. The great problem with that was that funding community care was never adequately allocated so people who required very significant levels of care and support in hospitals and institutions, or suddenly without treatment without housing without funds and the people who had been in these state hospitals were suddenly turning up on the streets of our cities, begging sleeping outside causing disturbances, and that shifted people from the realm of the healthcare system into the realm of the legal system, so that's when we start talking about the criminalization of mental illness, when when a healthcare problem really becomes a legal problem, and that gives rise to the situation that you describe where. Where we talk about Compassionate Arrest, which is the idea that police officers sometimes attempt to provide mentally ill people with treatment have said things to me like we know. If we take them to jail, they will at least get three hots and a cot. They will at least get their psychiatric medications, and so taking them to jail feels like an act of compassion, so this idea of compassionate arrest struck me so deeply because we would never arrest someone to make sure that they received treatment for their cancer We only do that in the situation of the mentally ill, and that to me seems like a travesty. Sometimes police ended up arresting people out of frustration because they've tried to get some help, right? Right so I heard the Portland police commander speak about a situation like this that and her officers found extremely frustrating, and she offered it as an example that was common for them where she described the situation on the Portland Waterfront. Where mentally ill man? was swinging above his head, a gallon jug filled with some kind of liquid, making it really heavy news. Swing it on the chain. That was really scaring people down in this common area. The police were called, and she described that after a long period of time, the police were able to de escalate the situation to get the man into their car without any kind of force or violence, and she said took a couple of hours for them to do this. They took him. Him To the hospital emergency room, and she described there that there were no psychiatric beds available, and the man was discharged back into the community immediately, and her phrasing was. He was out before we had finished our paperwork so very quickly, he went back to the waterfront, started doing the exact same thing and the police arrived in this time. They knew that they would have the same outcome if they took him to. The emergency room so instead. They took him to jail. So give us an example of how incarceration makes people with mental illnesses. When you are in the prison system, the expectations are very clear. You're given a set of rules. You're meant to follow those rules. If you don't follow the rules, there are consequences, and the consequences result in greater punishment greater control when a person with mental illness enters into that system, there's a misalignment between the street forward system and their ability to comply. When mentally ill people are not able to comply with the instructions and expectations that are laid out for them in jail. The result is greater and greater punishment. The end of the line punishment is solitary confinement of people run afoul of the rules in prison. Enough Times they can be sent to solitary confinement, which is a disastrous outcome for people with mental illness. Plug a little bit about how prisons can make people who come in mentally stable on well themselves. This has been something that I think we've actually come to to have a greater degree of understanding and empathy for as a society in recent months with the pandemic one of the things that has struck me so often and so strongly when I have seen people in prison. Is that being isolated from ones? Family from one's everyday life takes a profound toll on. On any of us, and so I think now that those of us who live free lives have also experienced a condition where we are not able to go to our loved ones when they are ill. We're not able to visit people in the hospital when they need us. We're not able to go to weddings and funerals. We're not able to see our. Our elderly loved ones and I think that gives us a tiny beginning of a taste of what what we do people when we incarcerate them, but there's there's so much more than that as well and that fundamental misalignment that I spoke about earlier really gets at the heart of that, and that is that people who are mentally ill to begin with are. Are In circumstances that are not therapeutic and supportive at all that are extremely punitive, and there are often punished more for their symptoms, but also people who enter into prison in a psychologically stable state are put in circumstances that are meant to degrade and meant to dehumanize, and it's unrealistic for us to imagine that people can emerge from those situations psychologically intact. You have a chapter in the book called Neutral Loaf. What is that? And why did you organize going to chapter around the? So new Trillo F- IS A. Approach for lack of a better word in many correctional facilities across our country. It goes by many different names, but essentially it is. A food item that is supplied to people in prison as often as punishment, oftentimes within roms of solitary confinement, where the nutritional meet needs of the person are all extensively met, but they are met by grinding up. For example, the leftovers of several prison meals put into a loaf pan baked, and then sliced into chunks, or sometimes they'll be a very detailed list of ingredients that go into a loaf that is actually baked as its own thing. The ingredients include things like beans, oats, margarine, mechanically separated poultry ingredients that off a checklist of nutritional needs, but are then combined and prepared in a way that is absolutely disgusting when you hear people describe. The experience at eating it. It's intended to be disgusting and so the reason that I wrote about it was really. To get at the urge that I see so much in our nation's car practices, which is to make people suffer. I think neutral of to me was just a prime example of how blatant our intention is with that. We say that we incarcerate people to rehabilitate them or to keep our community safe, and yet the foremost thing that I saw over, and over again is how much we want people to suffer once the they're held within our jails and prisons, so serving someone an incredibly disgusting known. Known to be tasteless at best and really foul tasting at worst is food knowing that they are going to perhaps on eat that at all, or if they do it to be extremely unpleasant experience that to me was just a crystal clear example of how the intention behind how we treat people is not aligned with what we say. Our intention is when we incarcerate people. You write about Norway, which has adopted a strikingly different model of incarceration, but this is really just in the last twenty five years, or so you want to just say a little bit about what their penal system used to be like, and what prompted a search for something different, so in the nineteen eighties and nineties, Norway had a prison system that looked very much like our prison. Prison system and they had quite a bit of violence within their jails and prisons. They had a high recidivism rate. The recidivism rate at that time was between sixty and seventy percent which was on a par with the three year. RECIDIVISM rate in the US right now is sixty eight percent so so really similar comes and similarly fraught environments within the jails and prisons themselves. They looked at the situation. The government looked at the situation, acknowledged that it wasn't working that they weren't having the outcomes that they desired and and they also had a system where there were there were escapes. A correctional officers had been killed and so they took a very hard look at the prison system to revamp it to see how outcomes could improve and safety of the system could improve. And as I learned more about this system, they assigned a working group within the justice system to look at changes that could be made and one of the central tenets that came out of that working group was to stop meeting hard with hard and start meeting hard with soft, and what I learned they meant by. This was that if you take a harsh stance of punishment toward people when they enter. Enter the legal system. You don't get the outcomes that you desire the this idea of a hardened criminal, becoming more hardened in a prison setting with something that they really thought was true. They also when they say, start meaning hard with soft, meant that what they were really noticing was that people were coming into the prison system with these deficiencies in various realms of their lives that were keeping them from succeeding. So they decided to do. a needs assessment of everyone who came into prison immediately when they arrived to see. Do you have a substance use problem? While then we will use the time that you're incarcerated to get you mental health treatment for your addiction. Do need job training. Do you need education? Do you need language assistance? Do you need anger, management classes or parenting classes? What are the what are the root causes of the behaviors that are getting? You arrested that we can try to address so that when you that will use this time in prison constructively that when you leave prison, you don't comeback and that fundamental shift in philosophy was really fascinating to me. You know what struck me about this. As I read, it was that the approach in Norway is to focus on the future What's going to happen to the end made in the future? What's going to happen to his relationship with the community as to pose to in the United? States were at think you quote Anthony Kennedy of the Justice. As saying that you know here, we tend to think of the justice system as imposing sentences and don't really think beyond that. Don't really think about what actually happens in the prison system when sentences are imposed. That's right the principle that really guided some of this decision. Making was exactly as you say Dave that we need to be forward looking so when I talked to people in those systems, they would say the crime is the one thing we cannot change. That's the thing in the past. It's not our job to look backwards to the crime, which we cannot change what we can change now is outcomes going forward? Another really key element of this in terms of their approach was to say the punishment is your loss of liberty. That's the entire punishment. You don't get to sleep at home with your family. You don't get to structure your day like you want to. That's the entire punishment of. Of Incarceration, there's not additional punishment that means that you have to suffer more that you have other rights taken away. It's merely your loss of liberty, so then given. That's the punishment that just exists by you being here than when you are here. Let's use the time constructively. The outcomes in this case is not just the outcome for the prisoner. It's the outcome for the community that will will eventually he'll join no question so as I said, nor we had this recidivism rate in the nineteen eighties and nineties that was between sixty and seventy percent, and that recidivism rate has dropped to twenty percent so only twenty percent of Norwegian prisoners are now arrested in the two years after their release. It's taken a lot of work for them to get to this place, and it isn't just as simple as saying. We're going to provide programming so a really critical shift occurred in the role of the prison officer are term for a correctional officer where they said that instead of just being a guard instead of being purely about security and control that the prison officer was now going to become someone with a really complex role that was assisting in this process of. Bolstering a person's development and strength as they move through the prison system, so it was a role that was more akin to social worker. In addition to the security duties that the person had they would also have an ability to talk with the person about why they committed the crime. They committed what kinds of things they needed moving forward how they could set themselves on a more constructive path moving forward, and that role really shifted and changed in a very pronounced way. Christine Mantras is an associate professor of psychiatry and Human Behavior at the Brown University Medical School, and the author of waiting for an echo the madness of American incarceration. She'll be back and talk more after a break. I'm Dave. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message come from going through it. A male chimp original podcast hosted by Tracy. Clayton Tracy speaks with fourteen notable black women including Josie. W Rice Ilhan. Lean Awaith Angela Davis and more discussing a pivotal moment when they decided it was time to make a change. Subscribe and listen on Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. We're speaking with Dr Christine Montross a psychiatrist who treats patients with serious mental illnesses. She has a new book about the prison system in America and the harm. She says it does both to those with mental illnesses, and those who are mentally stable. Her book is called waiting for an echo. We were talking about the alternative system of confinement and rehabilitation in effect in Norway's prisons in the differences are quite striking. You went to visited a place called Halden prison. What did it look like when you arrived? Camp, holy antithetical any prison I had ever seen Dave so I was picked up at the train station by the warden driven onto these very park, like grounds and really beautiful setting and the ward explained to me that when the architects designed the facility at Halden prison that it was really important to them to have the prison feel as though it was set in nature, and you know there's historical precedent for this, even in our own country that are asylums on hospitals and days of your. Seemed to be really critical that people had fresh air and fresh water and a beautiful view that that was understood even back then to be restorative, but that was very much implemented intentionally in the design of Halden prison. And then the living quarters for the men. who were held there and these are men who have committed extremely serious crimes, no different from men who are held in high security prisons in America the living quarters essentially look like a new and clean youth hostel or a Spartan dormitory Each man has his own room with a door that closes He has a bed with a colorful bedspread and he has his own bathroom. There's a TV on the wall. The door closes. Part of the the Norwegian philosophy is that everyone is entitled to their own privacy, and that's not something that you lose when you are incarcerated. Then there's a communal living area that looks kind of like A. Living Room would be an dormitory and there's a kitchen and one of the things that was extremely surprising to me and I think is surprising to all visitors that come from America is that there was a magnetic knife strip on the wall of the kitchen with all manner of cooking knives. There was a dartboard and someone who's trained to look for risk, and I'm seeing all of these implements. That could be used to for one person to hurt another, but these men use the knives to cook their own meals, and they used the darts to entertain themselves in the evenings before they all go to their rooms for sleep, and they use the silverware to eat their meals and. The level of personal responsibility is so much greater, and that's reflected in the environment. It was really striking right and these rooms the actually have they can lock. The rooms is at right. That's right there. Rooms have lock on the inside and again that idea is that they are entitled to privacy just like the rest of us. Some of these philosophies are grounded in The United Nations Mandela rules for incarceration. Idea that that they call Norway the principle of normality that when you are in prison, you are removed from the community, but that you are supposed to have as much as close inexperienced normal life as possible, so you are supposed to have the responsibility of getting up and going to work shopping for your own groceries at the prison grocery store and preparing your own meals, if laundering your own clothes, you're supposed to have the right to your own privacy and to your own entertainment and your own exercise, because the idea is not that you're supposed to be deprived of these things, but that the deprivation of your liberty in of itself is the punishment. All of the staffing and space and equipment does sound extravagantly expensive, certainly compared to American prisons. How how do the costs compare? The differences that you might imagine are not nearly as great and I. think that was an important misconception for me to address and look at head-on but I think we have this idea in our minds that Scandinavian societies are so very fundamentally different than American society that the level of taxation is so markedly high, and when I really dug into the numbers of what we spend on incarceration, and what they spend on incarceration and how? How they pay for that, versus how we pay for it I, realized that the differences are actually much smaller than we would imagine for example, the annual cost to hold a prisoner in Halden. Prison for a year is about ninety three thousand dollars, the average amount to hold a prisoner in an American supermax prison is from sixty to seventy five thousand dollars, but that number actually varies really widely and in my research. I came across places that. That cost as much as two hundred eight thousand dollars to hold someone in prison for a year in America. So that ranges really high, but in addition, their level of recidivism is so low that they may be paying a higher amount per year, but there are so many fewer prisoner years that accumulate, whereas we might be playing a slightly lower rate per year, but then people are returning over and over again to our prisons, so we're paying. Paying that yearly rate so many more times than an addition I found that the the the discrepancy between taxation rates between our country, and there's is actually totally overblown much to my surprise, so our average taxation rate is around thirty seven percent and Norway's is around thirty eight and a half so i. think some of the ways that we write off the fact that this wouldn't be possible for us are really based more mythology than in truth. It sounds almost idyllic, but there must be conflicts among these are people who've committed crimes. There must be prisoners who get oppositional or damage property or steal stuff How do they deal with it? So they deal with it and many of the same ways that we deal with behavior what we call behavioral disc control in my hospital, so there are consequences that are within a framework of greater understanding, but they're not so different than how many of us might handle our children. Our Children Act out, so if someone behaves at Halden, prison. They're separated from the community, so they might be asked to stay in their room for a day. They might be asked to stay in their room for a couple of days, or they're not allowed to participate in certain activities. They do have within Halden prison a room that someone could go in for. For essentially isolation, but they're very strictly mandated. This would be only in a situation, unlike in our American prisons, where people can be sent to solitary confinement for the accumulation of minor nonviolent grievances, you can only be sent to this specific room and Halden prison for very particular violent actions, so aggression or self injury, and if you are in fact, sent their. There are strict parameters on how long a person can remain there, and it's a matter of days, and which was such sharp contrast to me from the fact that that people in America can languish in solitary confinement for months years even decades, so they do have the ability to. Separate people from the community if it is in fact really necessary to do so, but when I asked these exact same questions. They said. It's very unusual for us to have to do that. You know the guards are are fifty percent female. None of the guards are armed, and they have not once had an episode of aggression from prisoner to a guard. Have to say it sounds too good to be true. They've literally never been an attack by a prisoner on a guard after years in operation I mean. Are there critics in Norway or or journalists who have questions about these claims I mean? Are you sure you just didn't get the? You know the the tour in which you kind of things are buffed up and and looked better than they might be. The dog and pony show right. So there are journalists who have written on both sides there plenty of journalists who have have dug into this and have found the same things that I have found, and then they're. The critics are largely critics of the philosophy that. Can't really be criticized. I mean when you look at recidivism rates when you look at the outcomes of safety and justice. In Norway, those are objective statistics, so that outcomes cannot really be criticized there are certainly people who critique the system for the fact that it's seem super luxurious. Think that. There are people who hold the same tenants that I think are fundamental tenant of the American criminal legal system, which is that this is too nice too much for people who have committed crimes, but I think from the government standpoint. If it's working, then it's justified. Christine Mantra is a psychiatrist who treats patients with serious mental illnesses. Her new book is waiting for an echo the madness of American incarceration. We'll talk more after a break. This is fresh air. For Miss An to Becky to Karen. Our very own Karen Napa Karen Karen. Grigsby Bates shares the evolution of the nickname for a certain kind of white woman I'm looking forward to the next iteration. I want my name back. That's coming up on NPR's code. Switch. We're speaking with Christine Mantra she is a clinical psychiatrist and she has a new book about the damage prison. Life does to mental health and how things might change. It's called waiting for an echo the madness of American incarceration. You know one of the things I can imagine people saying as well. Maybe this works in Norway, but American us. Society is so different. Norway is thought of as being more ethnically homogeneous and probably. Having a fewer inequities in the distribution of wealth and income, so that you don't have these huge, terribly poor struggling communities, which make it harder sometimes for people to rebuild their lives when they get out of prison, I don't know what about that are Scandinavian countries just in a better position to undertake this kind of change well, there's no question that's candidate in countries are smaller than America right. There's no. There's no question about that, but to me. It was very interesting to think about Scandinavian countries compared to American States and the reality is that prison business is conducted really on a state by state level, so policy decisions about state, jails and prisons are really made. Made within the states, so you can see quite a bit of difference from one state to the next in terms of prison, conditions, prison policies sentencing trends all those kinds of things, so it was useful to me to begin to think about how the experiment of prison approach like that in Norway could be transferred to our states, and so that was one of the frames that I used to think about those very differences that you raise, and again I found those differences to be somewhat overblown, so as an example, the population of Norway around five point three million people, so that puts it just smaller than Colorado and Minnesota just larger than South Carolina and Alabama so. In the realm of state of our states, the population of Oslo is similar to the population of Nashville numbers wise. So then I. When I saw that I thought all right well, so let's compare American city to Norwegian city and I looked really closely at the demographics. are in Nashville. Nashville is sixty percent white Oslo. Is Seventy percent native Norwegian? That's not a gigantic difference. The other thirty percent of Norwegians are either immigrants or were born to immigrants in the major ethnic groups that make up that thirty percent are Pakistani and Somali, not light skinned Norwegian. People as I think we so often imagine, and they're also immigrants from a many other countries in the region Iraq Iran Turkey Vietnam Morocco the Philippines. And maybe one of the things that was most interesting to me. Is that forty percent of the kids in Oslo primary schools speak a language other than Norwegian as their first language. So I think when we have an idea of Scandinavian communities as these very homogeneous communities that really differ a great deal from our own. I think that that is perhaps an antiquated view, their racial and ethnic. Divisions, within American prisons are often. Pronounced me. People may join gangs or form cliques among people that share their ethnicity or race. Does that happen in the prisons in Norway? That's such a prominent discussion in American prisons. It's a real problem that is brought up over and over again. There are certainly talking about how the country is adapting to these shifting. Representation of different ethnic minorities within the Norwegian community and that you absolutely are seeing people who are starting to question some of the closely held tenets of. Socialism that provide benefits to people in the country, some of those there are issues of racism that are beginning to emerge in the country for sure, but I heard about those conversations much more as part of the cultural conversation, and I didn't hear about them within prison populations. We're at a time when there's more of an appetite for criminal justice reform than we've seen in a long time. states and local governments run a lot of prisons in jails. Do you see places where? Different approaches different models may be tried or are being tried. Definitely there are there projects going on around the country where people are beginning to look at these very issues, and in fact, there's been a fantastic program out of California that is taking groups of legislators and also prison, correctional officers and wardens to visit European prisons that are having better outcomes and part of this has been aimed at an effort to reduce the use of solitary confinement in American prisons. Solitary confinement is practice that we think of as reducing violence and promoting security in fact when we look at the numbers. Numbers, that's not the case. We don't have the outcomes from solitary confinement that would justify its use given how damaging practice it is, and so this group and California's taking the stakeholders over to visit prisons in Germany prisons like Halden in Norway to try to show them. How alternative methods are working and so that they can see firsthand the environment how the practices are implemented, and how outcomes are better not just for the prisoners, but also for the people who work in these conditions. You know one of the. One of the things I learned working here in Rhode Island which is a very insular, tiny little state with a very very long institutional memory, and so you have people who are working as correctional officers in the prisons, who if a correction officer was killed by an inmate ten or twenty years ago, there are still correctional officers working in the prisons who remember that incident and use that incident as justification to continue the practice of solitary confinement because of that risk that. Of the situation that happened many many years ago and that's you know justifiable fear of course when we're asking people to. To take on these dangerous jobs, but but one of the things that this group in California has realizes that if you take the correctional officers, who are the ones shouldering this fear and you show them the environment. It's not just academics. It's not just psychiatrist sewer talking about how to make the situation better, but you actually have prison officer speaking to prison officer talking about how things. Things have improved that. That's really a locust for change, and I think that those kinds of situations bring a lot of promise because the system has to be fixed, the system is broken, but we don't have to reinvent the wheel in order to fix it. There are places that can show us a roadmap for how to achieve the outcomes. We desire without US starting from scratch. Christine Montross. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Thank you Dave I. Really enjoyed it. Christine Montrose is associate professor of psychiatry and Human Behavior at the Brown University medical. School and the author of waiting for an echo the madness of American incarceration. Coming up TV critic David, B. and cooley reviews the new video streaming service peacock from NBC Universal. This is fresh air. What do you do when you have too many pickles in Alaska and not enough pancakes Syrup in New Jersey. On the next episode of planet, Money Summer School. We send supply and demand to the rescue. It's economics education. You always wanted never got around to every. Wednesday listen now to planet money from NPR. Support for NPR from whyy presenting the pulse podcast that takes you on adventures into unexpected corners of health and science plastic in the guts of deep sea creatures, crying after anesthesia building your own Internet. Each episode is full of fascinating stories and big ideas. The pulse available where you get your podcasts or at whyy dot ORC. Another new streaming service launched this week. This one comes from NBC universal and is called Peacock. It premiered with thousands of hours of old programs as well as a sampling of new ones are. TV critic David Being Cooley has this review as streaming TV services go. We already have a lot of options. That weren't available a year ago. Some wonderful ones like Disney plus and some terrible ones like maybe. There's also apple TV plus an HBO Max, and now there's peacock from NBC Universal. You can get a basic package of peacock for free which includes TV series like frazier movies like Jurassic, Park and some new peacock originals which I'll get to in a minute. But the peacock. Folks aren't in this just to give out freebies. For a monthly fee of about five dollars, you can become a subscriber to picot premium which provides access to an even larger library of movies and TV shows and access to NBC's talk shows and some network sporting events. And, if you double that fee paying about ten bucks a month, you get all that without any advertising. As with any streaming service, the decision of whether peacock is worth the money is up to you. For Me Netflix, Hulu Amazon and Disney plus for starters have enough inventory in quality originals, so I consider them valuable enough to add to my monthly bills. And Peacock even in its free version has some excellent offerings, the movie e t the extraterrestrial for example and the entire series run of Friday Night Lights. Ask for peacocks original series. Most of them are decidedly average. The programs for kids aren't even as good as the new ones on Disney plus and most of the new shows for adults. Aren't that good either? Especially, a new miniseries version of brave new world that plays more like a dull remake of westworld. But there are two new peacock programs that are worthwhile one that I like and one that I love. And both coincidentally are all about the secret gathering of intelligence by government agencies. The one I like is a comedy called intelligence, which is created and written by Nick Mohammed. He plays a low level British spy who? Makes for visiting American. Counterpart named Jerry Bernstein played by David Schwimmer from friends. Schwimmer plays him as cocky ugly American. So sure of himself that he's oblivious to how irritating he is too many of those around him. That's the same basic approach. Another friend Star Matt Leblanc took when he played an exaggerated version of himself in the hilarious showtime, Sitcom called episodes. And in-intelligence Schwimmer displays this the most, and the best. When he clashes with his British counterpart in boss Christine played by Sylvester la to`sell. I am now your best possible resource. Here for you so I want you to use me. Exploited me punish me. I want to feel as if I've been uploaded into each and every one of you. Guys. What are you doing I'm just welcoming everyone. Can we get them to stop? We're in the middle of Something Bank of England new American gaze on required sadly. Okay listen I just want to say I'm really excited about this. I think we can learn a lot from each other especially from me. It'll be a pleasure collaborating with one of our oldest closest allies welcome to. Q.. Thank you. Back to work everyone. On the more serious side, there's a drama series called the capture which is haunted me ever since I previewed it. It said in England and he has created written and directed by been changing. It starts off the story of Sean Emery a British soldier with complicated past. He was imprisoned for war crimes after serving in Afghanistan then released when video footage of the incident surfaced and exonerated him. The very night he was celebrating his release with his lawyers. He ended up in custody again this time accused of murdering one of his attorneys Hannah, who was last seen with him on London City, surveillance cameras. A detective inspector on the case played by Holliday. Grainger interrogates him and her initial theory is that he may have no memory of his own violent actions Sean is played by Callum Turner. Michaud. Can you lose control. I and speaking almost yourself. Mr. To. For the right to a phone call. A. Fan Calls at my discretion. So one was sit down together. And try to figure out. What happened between you and For a awhile, that's how the captured develops, but then it turns out that the video catching Sean in the act, maybe a deep fake. And if so made by whom? And if that video can't be trusted what else and who else is being manipulated? Throughout the capture scenes or photographed or punctuated from the points of view of remote cameras. It's a sinister perspective that keeps getting more threatening. By the time the first season of the capture is over. I realized the threat. It was dramatizing about what happens when people do or don't believe what they see on video is even more potentially menacing in theory than it in this particular miniseries. Watching the capture on peacock may not be a way to escape reality for that. There are plenty of other TV shows and movies, but it sure is a thought provoking new way to look at it. David in Cooley is editor of the website TV worth watching and professor of TV studies at Rohan University. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our Technical Director and engineer is Audrey Bentham we had additional engineering help from Charlie Chire. Our interviews and reviews are produced an edited by Amy Salad. Phyllis Myers Roberta shorrock Sam brigger. Lauren Krenzler Soman Theresa Madden. They challenge and Joel Wolfram. Our associate producer of digital media is Molly Seavy Nesper Seth Kelly directed today show. Jerry Gross I'm duties. Room.

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Rewind 1921 - The Safe Negro Podcast Show (LoveCraft Country Review S01 E09)

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Rewind 1921 - The Safe Negro Podcast Show (LoveCraft Country Review S01 E09)

"Blackout by. Your now nothing to. Be Same. Gas. Fooled. And welcome back winthrop houseguests to another incredible episode of this safe Negro. PODCAST show featuring one of your host myself Tatyana King. Aka, hippolyte him up also joined by the very merch out. A blog. Excellent and also coming in hot with a bang we have. coyotes. Patterson Heights Aka bitten avoidable banging today. Lou Yes invulnerable black woman I like you're begging though love it curls on fleet Thank you all for joining us as usual. We are here to discuss review analyze dissect HBO's lovecraft country. Today we are talking about rewind nineteen, twenty, one episode nine of the show. Is directed by Jeffrey Natural off Tele Play by Michel Green. Jonathan is kid and Sonya Winston Abington and for your trigger warnings today are racial slurs homophobic slow slur excuse me. Gordon blood and most importantly the overall killing death of terrorism against and brutality against black people I say that with big emphasis because this was a very difficult episode for me to get through I was generally angry throughout most of the episode I know other people will feel differently to. Degrees as they watch at the same time it was it was a lot of triggers and a lot of violence against black people because it's centered around the Tulsa massacre but we're GONNA get into this shortly. I I just want to congratulate Dj Ben, How mean for twenty two term blog off the blacks shogun. It was actually picked up by the official lovecraft country social media account. So make sure y'all hit up. Hbo Lovecraft Hbo and let them Know How dopey are big him up at DJ bottoming. Let them know who created that and also big other Dj but I mean for the Rockstar Remix of the blog off seen that seen the blow off came through and wreck shop gave els to all the cops in front of the winthrop house Dj about on mean being DJ and being. So musically inclined he remixed that scene with Rockstar from any R. D and it was chefs casse. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I really really love seeing a reaction to it. I always love that song and anytime there are cop cars being burnt I always think of it. It is always the first thing I. think whenever I see a cop car cop standing rent you can't be me I'm a Rockstar. Another. Cop Car? That song. Yes so yeah incredible. Are All right. So for the Before scientific. Before we get into, like you said, I am merch out right now the fuck out. So we do on a shout out bounce comics who created this you know as you see behind me, the get the fuck up. Now we is a great warrior design which we've actually sent some to sue Faye is I said Hey. Super Pai Bradshaw who will be getting their very own and as you see, I got the shirt I got to cook. You know you can get all this on T. The dot com slash for all nerds. You can pick yourself up a phone case. You know really beautiful goes on and on I got no books I got all kinds of stuff but that's how. To retry now but you know you see to get the fuck up now we as a great warriors, the designed t public dot com slash for all nervous you know all kinds of other stuff popping over there but make sure you over there and get you some and thank you for this creation because I'm loving it. As you see personally I copped eight different variations. Any of the pillow don't you got a pillow the way you'll see that necessarily trust you see. You will see me sleeping on a pillow is we wrap up our ten episodes of this show excellent because we can use a break child. Let's into the basic plot of this episode Rewind Nineteen Twenty One. Okay. It's black to the future this week as Letty Montross and atticus travel back to Tulsa Oklahoma nineteen twenty one in order to find the book of names. Ruby makes an ill advised decision Christina hasn't learned hadn't seen to learn anything from last week's the buckle and hippolyte a once again proves that black women are the center of the universe. And less move forward into the themes of the show. The first that we have here is a recurring theme in kind of a double entendre but the idea of returning to the source repeating time even repeating history and you also see there right in the title of the show Rewind twenty-one the fact that this all centers around the gang going back words in time going back to the source of. A lot of. Trauma brutality, but also back to a place where they can potentially Save D. and that's Tulsa during the Tulsa, massacre. Today of the Tulsa massacre which is wild. They are going back as we know because they need to retrieve the book of names in order to to heal and please keep me both of you. Please keep me honest getting the book of names for what? Because the book names contain some magic of their family and spells, etc, and probably some other stuff, and so they hope that they can use it to cure or do something for. To get I mean yes. also display. That wasn't explained bizarre. Minded to be. The story was finally getting. They're finally finding a plot device to get to the book we kept seeing hinted at with no water running away with it was like. I mean at this, but do we have to go through like an actual black trauma? Air. To. Get to this book. I could they went back another time now the reason why? Back. To happen and I get. What sucks I remember like you know how we actually this is what the family has the books they have the Leger. And Leger was put into a bank ball I get that and then I can see the also like this hosted episode. That corresponds with Montross his journey in the book whenever yeses been yet or whatever, and he goes he relives his memory in in a way. so I see what we're trying to do, but I also was like, but this is how he had to do it. Explain it away a little bit because. They have no totem if you will get back to that particular to get back to the family except for the picture that machos has in his pocket. And that picture is if I'm not mistaken, they explained that picture it might have been I don't know if it was taking the day. I. Don't know when that picture was taken, but it was specifically for that point in time and Tulsa. For the problem was it taking? But he got his ass beat that day I. Don't think that they. You Know I. I've my mind made the assumption now that we're thinking about it was that photo taken the 'cause the way my mind assumed was and what I believed. I heard was that photo was from that day and they needed as I mentioned that that a totem or a? I don't have another better word for it but some type of item that can help hippolyte of focusing on a certain point in time she doesn't have coordinates she doesn't have all this other stuff. So she needs something and the best thing she has it has sentimental value and something she can focus on mentally because she's controlling this whole process is that photo he has an artifact, an artifact or something right? Akaka photo was really just well shot just to quickly show you about the family or about the father and his sons because he has his arms wrapped around George and Montrose standing behind the two of them and you know right there shows you everything about how father feels about his two sons the family dynamics, they ever mission bob like their Mama Alive at this point. The crickets that occurred to. Like Be On the front lawn I was like bill even have a command ran out or Alcohol so Is, Montross and and George like Disney princesses they don't have a mom. Guess not so. That being said another. Saints the enemy still thinking about it. Today rematch their mom at any point. Whenever they win that way he was over at their persons house who's over at doors house and they say, oh, which Wi bay was talking about where the kids wearing how to go out and then also is he is their kind of like key in that like he's out here like in a time line, we don't see that die. We're going to return to this. And I'm like. Are we about to get clowned Bhai our audience you know? All the my chore. Someone. Joe The Georgia somebody at some point in the eight nine episodes we've been in now have mentioned their mom. Maybe the MOM died earlier in the book is one thing we understand. But in the show is different time on the situations going on if there was a con mentioned anywhere Y'all or listening to tell us no no. No? No. Okay. We're buckling. I do remember everything now his mom is atticus mentions his mom his mom has died earlier. This mom is the magic and family, but it's that mysterious death and. My Mom. Talking about Montrose. Georgia's mom. Where's homegirl? That's what I'm saying? Okay we gotta move on Okay this is the bookmark in your mind right. Just back to this theme of returning to the source repeating time reversal. If you will rewinding this spell that Christina Cass, which is I guess is supposed to be a temporary reversal of her demonic possession. You see literally it reveal first of all her arm was completely black ravaged out and the black. Vines or whatever you want to call it the veins will are stem going towards her face and it's literally converting her body. She's turning into a topsy demon which was incredible because. She just had the bad aren't in the next scene she was topsy and I was like Oh shit. Oh, my God. So reminded me of this. What is that? I'm GonNa, get you sucker but I'm GonNa have to make that. Reverend's online. So people will see it now. But yeah. Wow. Okay. In, and so in that like you see this happening she d is turning. And back spelled the Christina cast reverts Diana's bodies Baxter's original state. Her. Then, we don't need this right now. During this thing you see flies and maggots start to appear the magazine arm flies are buzzing around for for those that don't know maggots are the larva flies. That's when they're babies. So you actually see the reversal of the life cycle happening and they appear on and around the still spell as being cast. And then they turned flies correct. It's the same thing you saw in the last episode when he first task curse and you see it on the ground, you see maggots up here and then they turned into flaws and. Now another thing flies represents particularly in biblical terms and other places five represent the devil evil demonic. So and be as about one of the names of the double literally means Lord of the flies. So every time these white people cast spells on Mike, the devil is in the room because ain't no way. Ain't no way there is there is there are they say light magic or white magic going on or or this white? It's funny because it's kind of a a reversal of the term white magic typically like when you when you watch or read fantasy stories, white magic is supposed to be that healing nice magic and the magic it's good quote unquote the white magic and this motherfucker. I mean that's the reality of it. You know like we we were talking about dark elves and the blog off last week. It's the same thing with black magic and white magic wiser said that you know wired about black hats bad look like this one. It's so ridiculous that we take it all his jokes, but it's all for reason for it. There's not all that stuff is put in place. For reason, it's all a system that keeps reinforcing the idea that black is bad. Absolutely. For. Example. So we're literally doesn't I ten minutes okay. Another area where we talking about like the re rewinding repetition time, there were turning back to the winthrop observatory, and this is one of the first things I mean one of the many things the one of the first things I started pissing me off about since. They return to the scene of of the observatory where they have that multi-dimensional machine as as hippolyte notes. This is what bothers me? And perhaps might be slightly different everyone watches but it's minute about minute fifty to forty something like that in this episode where the title Card says. That, they are in Kentucky and then the next scene literally the next slide you see them at the observatory however. In the Episode Hippolyte of found the Observatory in Mayfield Kansas. What the fuck is going on how is the observatory in one whole state? And now in one in one episode and now complete somewhere else in the Knicks, is the observatory fucking moving yes. How? We're talking about before the show we think it's just a reference to a lot of different science fiction and fantasy stories. Once again, like the dark tower and Stephen King series the dark tower moves out the world's the lost, and in the TV show lost the island moves around Porsche mentioned a doctor WHO's The Tartus Yep Moose in through space and time, but also like. An fiction there's I'm. Thinking just had it with me. It's really good to. Go, get it. I'm just I'm just going to just reiterate again I thought I was fucking tripping. I went back to all of our notes. I went back to notre other places and articles. I. Scrub through both episodes and the observatory is indeed in two different places. Yeah, the one is which conviction Terry, pressure there's discworld Literally, the whole world is on top of the back of a turtle the. That's the whole setup and this world is reference in dark tower because they have he has a giant turtle that's One of the I can't remember what they are but these great beasts in the giant turtles referencing dips were under always moving as well. and. Also, in the reversal rewind being we see the cops again trying to restore the Catherine I got fucked up by the. They're attaching once again, new body parts of more random black people that they cannot kidnapped, but it doesn't work this time Humpty dumpty. Gross they tried the bill. Boy was working to stop no, all the courses and all the king's men no, and also in continuation of that theme Christina mentioned that every time she changes back from William. She's William Most of the days when he turns back to herself every time she chanukah million is like Williams dying all over again. And she wishes she can see that happen to the captain a thousand times over, but she'll she'll be happy watching him die and she and I thought that was the most colds move her watching the captaincy she waited for the light to out his I. Yeah and I had to watch the scene a few times to figure out exactly what was going on or what my idea what's on is at least and it seems that that totem that Ruby plays into desk is used as a regeneration spell, but it's used to curse the captain instead with a regeneration that keeps regenerating his wounds. No matter. How many times the other. dudes perform this spell on him of Humpty dumpty in his ass for black people. It doesn't work because the wounds from blog officers are regenerating no matter what and she wishes that she could do something where he would regenerate over and over again. But I, think that's the case. He I think she died she said I'll just settle for this one time and watch you. But once again, I feel like Christina does not learn anything or how know because last episode you know she had that emit till thing which still what? No motherfucking sense and this episode she sits there. And watches him die and gives him this look into is like Oh. That was quite right. You know. Was that fun. No wasn't all that but it's like a man much I love. The trust levels just like? How could you have trust Christina from jump I've never had trust her period I still don't into words of Ruby you. Thank You know. Here has earned my trust never go. There we go. Preach. Now Okay Not The one. I wish they had a dog. You know it's like you could trust the dog. The logoff. Yes. The blog off I'm definitely putting. Putting my whole faith in that dog. Awesome. Like as Different horror montages. Sifi montages like that kind of like the sheriff sort of becomes Frankenstein's monster away you Christina's Frankenstein like putting in that spell and kind of like Nestle up all. Live. Re Re see kind of. I would say both transformation but also a rewind things we've seen before particularly hippolyte a returning to embody in the flesh basically Harithi blue. At the point where advocates is is just coaching her almost to to hold on and and keep the portal open when hippolyte is putting going beyond her limits at this point she plus ultra. Arm and he just you know he's there hippolyte. `As Plus Ultra Light, it is limit break. He's. The guy like never eliminate giving birth and Mike Or whoever is giving birth? Gender never they're giving birth and whoever the person is with, that has been there like. Do it. I. Know You're dying but you can do it pretty been out. We. Know though. So he's quoting are and. At that point, I don't know if it's just the power and electricity and just all of it all of creation going through flowing through hippolyte as such a rate that she's arts floating in mid air and she sees foaming at the mouth and her hair turns like this electric blue collar which looks exactly like the character she embodied when she was in that review blue dimension. And she and in that in essence, you can say she, she's she's always been Arabia blue. That's what Diana modeled this character after about after her mother and a the Blue Saves Diana in different ways and in reality he the lighter as Diana's mother she's Becoming Arabia again to save her daughter. And it's something like you. I noticed something starting to sets you later on it's like the Terminator. Thing. Where it's the predestine of it all. And she was always hippolyte of blue I mean it would. Not Fast Hashtag. We go yes it is not a term coined by Dj ben I mean ladies and Jemma put that put the claps clamps that up. All right. Thank you. Excellent. We. This is. The Terminator and and destiny and all this other stuff this this again, the part that upset me when I say I don't mean I'm angry I'm just upset because it's a lot of confusion is stuff happening and potential. Red Herrings we don't fucking now. Atticus the scene where atticus and modules are in the Alley and atticus at first he thinking he has a whole machos back from saving Montross is friend Thomas from getting killed by the White folks in the massacre. As they have this conversation. Essentially. Montrose narrates the whole thing as is happening and. Macho says at this point where the stranger rolled up with the bat and saved. US. and. He says that stranger says I gotcha kid. Atticus says that same line I gotcha kid simultaneously. And that's when things that happened there. Advocates realizes this happened in his dream episode one of Lovecraft Country of this show during atticus is dream when Jackie Robson literally shows up, beat the shit out of with the bat he says to advocate I. got you kid so advocates is realizing Oh shit that's my dream and also as they're sitting at so funny too because as they're sitting there watching this abacus like that was in my dream. So they sit there and continued watching what's happening but the kids are still getting beat up and nothing's happening. So advocates says, wait something's wrong and that's when he slowly realizes that the stranger is him. And I pretty much. I, think we all you know different people, guests that the stranger was going to be someone from the crew. You know people thought hip Elida it'd be hippolyte coming through but pretty much for a while that we are figuring and then once he started seeing evidence or ideas a time traveling show that it was going to be one of the crew and personally I just thought that scene was just so beautiful and so like I mean everything leading up to the conversation the that conversation was beautiful and the fact that they were able to display their emotions and cry and try to heal. Even though they're both as you say in a trash bag Olympics, still still running but also you know you're seeing wider in the trash bag on the bits. Of their trash. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There it is bad lady bad bad boy. You know it's not bad ladies not just for women. You know it's A. Catch all term you know But I love that scene right there and. When added Kaz steps up in the bat roles at his feet. You know it was just that moment reminded me like field of dreams and even a field of dreams isn't a time travel movie because has baseball and it you know nobody's didn't beat over the head is the yeah you know to bat being there and him we're having a moment where he's like Oh, I am that person you know like hippolyte I am I am stranger and comes through. I. And and I I loved it because of those reasons that you mentioned on I also still hated it because also. This is the part. So, if you're telling me Montreal's comes, they're already having a memory of the stranger. With the BAT. Now. We know that the stranger with the bat is Abacus does this mean that atticus already came into the past before to save? Kid Montrose. Because the bat was the bat was there because Machos border with him at he uses to smash the car window open to get the get the booze. Does this mean that this is them trying to fix thing in the past again has it happened already? Are we in Terminator? This means to me and this is something I meant to bring up the all before the episode starter but. Dropped a bomb on you is this a one season show GotTa. Be. They killed my uncle George like. A. Seeming to be because and this is my reason for it in his hurt my feelings one I've seen degreen talk about projects that she wants to do after this. They advertised as a mini series, and at this point, these tier does have grown in such powerful ways as. You say is a polite a God. Now there is just so stains happening where it's I don't see it, and also the problem with that is that hurts me because also feel like with watchmen where we never get to see a show where the black people have power. Tell everyone's yelling about Tortola turn blue in the water. Washington. And now we got hippolyte of and we're into media feels like a limited series job. Sorry. I just feel like this to be a nets episode in that's. is sign up on changed Sino hip, and Isla blue reminds me of deep sea dragon balls because blue the highest. Shit Talk. Most powerful. Yes. Version. We need to we need it from bounce nobody gonNA. Hit a lot of blue with the super sale here. Now. But but yeah so amassing. Because, it feels to me like a warning. It may hurt, but I also think it makes sense I. think we're also. It makes it listen hear me out. It makes sense because also if you look at at least the last few hits of HBO has had that hasn't been a pattern that of a miniseries and bringing it to where you get so engrossed and so attaches cash and then they ended and then you're screaming your this now you're stuck in limbo forever fan. Oh, I love that all can you do that and then we're sitting here doing fan fictions in our head you're sitting here analyzing on a podcast called the Safe Negroponte cash like you're sitting here. In your psyche and in your imagination, and that might be the overall goal to keep this sitting with you as an experience as opposed to an ongoing series where by the time. I don't know season seven you go yo this series fell off a cliff. Why? Hem. But but but I'm just saying And then just one more other reason why I think this case also is because if you look at our and you should subscribe to four owners on your favorite podcast platform because you would have been listening to the Matt Rough episode that we had about a month back or a month or so back where we interviewed him and he explained that low craft country historian like even though he was he was interested in making another book it was going to be completely different a different direction perhaps that conversation with. Like Fam- I feel you. Let's go somewhere else which makes me feel like maybe this is the ultimate side of me. Save me this is actually going to become an anthology series much like what we get with American stories in this is what love and she's going to become. I'm different. We're going to see George Friedman the younger have his journey and we'll see what that looks. That I like. You in the right of. This I wanNA say I. WanNa, see I wanna see the eighties version of low craft country. I. Want to see that. Means you hire us. Right here. Rounding, out this theme of rewinding and things like that Porsche. You had a very good point here about about the exploration of these personas. Can you talk about that? Yeah. So so in that kind of like Kurtz me and seeing how especially with these character How a lot of these things that you're mentioning as like. are also kind of like people having embraced or a kind of removing themselves from personas that from put on them. So advocates, for example, with Jackie Robinson such danger thing is because that's what Montrose believed him to be like because he believed there's a stranger that came and saved the day. That's who advocates took up the mantle to become and that one in. and for me that kind of like, Hey, partner I that's a big symbol in like one of the Harry Potter books is that there's a time loop that Harry. Reminding close where he thinks his father comes to save him but his father's dead and he realizes that like him being told the whole time. Oh, you look just like her father actually comes out to like him actually saving him. So in the Middle Ulster. Big. So this this moment reminded me a lot of that like in this atticus is becoming like this like big hotel figure and he's saving people that like his Yes. Complicating feelings about and then his father who he's literally used like he just owned his father and this is where Muesli saving them as children especially in big like. Massacre and this means much like black folk. So it's just a lot of over sons fair for hip Elida Herbie a aren't the a blue it's kids her daughter visualized her life. If it has, it would have been fantasy setting as she was able to go to school when you sign stuff she told. The about. So mantras in the trauma that he goes through that we see during the episode specifically when it comes to like what he's lived there until Saturday him. With relationship with his father. We see that he liked kind of excess that whatever the pursuit that his father's forcing onto him like is forcing him to keep his real self quelled not actually live at out he has decided like. In the original timeline of this loop, we see him actually deciding that he's going to accept that wishing away and the person that helps him realize like who he is and like. Through that. and. So we see a lot of like how much his trauma of like himself is also until his trauma from living through this massacre then like isn't that like about a black like you can't even take away liquor own personal journey from all of like actual like lives trauma that goes along with a like there's just no separating the two they informed the. Food absolutely. I think that's something that I'll. Hurt me especially and we'll get into this when I was doing the research for this episode. It just makes you feel like America expects you to destroy, go on living and go on doing everything that any white person I'll say does. While you're living with this generational trauma, we've been best been forced upon us and it just blows my mind. It's somewhat I. I guess what they say ignorance is bliss because the fact that we don't learn all of this and school makes it easier because if I've learned everything that I just learned just by doing a quick google searches. I. Probably would have rioted. Early, age because even I knew certain things that I didn't I knew about Tulsa. But I didn't know nearly as much learn like I said today and that's something else that we talked about last week but I just want to make this pointing real quick because I feel like there's a lot of people who reviewed his show and they are not doing the work and it's just so highly insulting on. So many levels because one when it comes to fantasy fiction sci fi we do so much work at so much research just in general like I spend hours on various Mickey's about various genres and everything just because of my interest and it's all fantasy. You know that's all just made up my while this is actual history incorporated into this show and people won't even Dude A. Minimum of time that it takes do the research just like you said, a couple Google searches just laid out for you in this episode, Montrose List lists names that you can just Google gives you list right there and people aren't doing that and then they're rating to shore review in the show and saying, oh, it's not. It's not is not that. But you're not doing the work that it tastes really understand what their shows doing while being in entertaining science fiction fantasy epic. You know that's what's really salt is not it it? It just blows my mind how much work we have to do in this country because not only is this show being entertaining like I said science fiction fantasy show it's also. Uncovering and showing people so much black history that is hidden from us. And it's flooring the TRAUMAS that are generated by this black history. And showing what that does to us as a people and show a why does that to us as a people and it's just so many levels that people are not appreciating and a show or movie like Indiana Jones files anything lost. One of my favorite of all time does not have to deal with on. You know basically like they could pay lip service to race Damon, Lindelof admit to that. As he has as he has and on episode four owners when we interviewed him. Checker. Nothing No. You know saying. We appreciate and again this just everyone who's been listening and supporting us. Thank you very much because you have already said he recognized that the work that gets put into this and you recognize that the deep nece that this particular show goes into, we talked about levels and everything being. Levels model levels and the lotus flower and all that stuff, and that leads us to the next theme of dreams and we mentioned it briefly already where atticus. Has that he says that's simultaneous phrase with Montrose he says. What I got you kid I gotcha kid and we realized that that that is reminiscent of atticus dream in episode one when this show I open and open up with a bang where it started within Attica stream where he was in the trenches fighting reveals to a wide shot of a World War of the worlds type of situation going on and all sorts of man is happening around him. What we come to realize what I've come to realize now is episode one is actually an amalgamation of premonitions which are generally vision of the future, and it really is a Maga mation of all the events that he and his family goes through throughout the series ever watching. So for example, things, I pointed out fighting in the trenches when he was in a Korean War the planes bombing that can also be war. But also in this episode, we see the planes bombing Tulsa the aliens. And monsters attacking that that thought of World War of the worlds you can approximate as an allegory for for white people attacking black people, and if you saw how it was with the monsters and and the aliens attacking the the ground troops, it was that it was a no contest hyper situation it they were the the aliens. Mosser's were just completely overcoming the people on the ground and that's essentially what a looked like. When you saw the Tulsa massacre episode this episode we're talking about now. A You can also talk about how that could be standing for black people at work racism and the the how you combat with with all of these monsters, and then actually showing the literal monsters such as the show. Gos-. At. ONE POINT IN THAT DREAM The dream that he had the there was of quick, and if you blinked, you missed it, there was a quick scene in the background of a woman in like that Roman Greek type of armor fighting and that is and indicative of the IM. So when we saw the home Yamazaki so now we and the rest of them fighting. Gi's is stars the Princess of Mars. The fact that she she gi's a Camille who sees the future. For those who are into the comics of of the old school principal of Mars, danger thought there. There's a point where they time travel's like a lot of parallels there between all of these characters. Porsche talked about this before Jackie Robinson the idea of baseball and the significance or Jackie Robinson's significance, the Montrose and also the the the cross reference of DD, ends up loving baseball as we talked about last episode. And then of course, I got you kid freeze and the fact that Atticus essentially becomes Jackie Robinson for for Kid Montross. And I just thought the reason why the other reason why that this was such a mind fuck for me is because there was actually a famine interview with Michele Green again, who wrote this lovely piece of Art along with other emeny amazing people. But she said in her interview about episode one she says I think that opening was laying the groundwork for where we were going. Using found audio and aliens, and having all these monsters and then really setting up the idea that life is but a dream and it's kind of in a way that magic is in this world is like you can use it to create what you want it to be. So with Michel saying that and then with all of this happening with with everything. referencing back to advocates dream I'm just like Yo Misha's fucking with us. And also I think that quotas really because that's other. We talk about a lot on phone hurts into general is that you can. You know the world is and we talked about this earlier in this show is well like that the world when you break down when you get down to the scientific nature of beans at its smallest. Level everything in this universe is made of the same type of matter and we only perceive this world as one way because we perceive it this way, it's just like the idea to matrix toward idea of the force that you know you can affect your world. If you. If you think of Danes, this comes what you think of it. You know what you put your mind to become real. and. We see that happened with leading advocates, they they they both have the same dream of running through the breath white mansion chasing behind Hannity ancestor, and then they both being engulfed in flames and his sorry fossil talked about magic. When they say the intention, it tastes intention to cast spells. It's your intention to cast spells that been affected to reality, and that's the real world saying like it your intention behind thing is not just thinking of things but also put an intention binded they create your world. And this also, this last part about dreams falls a little bit into the Easter Egg category, but the showing of the Dreamland theater, which was an actual theater in Tulsa that was also burnt down and. Just just riding along with the understanding of dreams and everything, and in the context of the show, it's theater. It's it's entertainment. It's it's showing you a story. However using real life contexts. And also the double entendre dream versus stream rate could. Your dreams are like fictional can be in your head and whatever. But then like also like how banana something about it like it's intention behind. James if you put into Schmolly, if your goal is to be a screenwriter whatever anti pitch analogy behind that, then you dream can become your liberty variants right so it's like that's the the whole Johner of dreaming can vote you both like something that's except conscious. This comes to you in the middle of the night or it can be a literal lived dream and how do you do it? Already. Make a real absolutely which tension behind your thoughts. For lunch. I said it earlier but I got getting pissed 'cause I might guilty, we just get dropped into the terminator because it leads us to the theme of time travel and the. This. Is kind of a well known thing for a lot of people but call the butterfly effect, which basically is an it's an implication about how your current actions can have a ripple effect into things that happened into your future and how if we were to go back into the past and change even the slightest thing and may have massive repercussions for your present or for your feature. So for example, something that could be really innocuous you trip over Iraq perhaps that. Could lead to a series of events that ends up you end up beating your your husband or your wife or some shit like that, and it seems really ridiculous on its face. But when you think about it in a real world context, like let's say like this, if you're a student, perhaps you majored in a certain a major in a certain major and because you were in that major in that school, you actually met someone who later on the line helped you. Jenny maybe they major life a living hell. But the point is that would have never happened if you didn't take certain steps to get there. So that and the idea that that understanding happens is repeated in this episode particularly before they jump into the portal hit is very clear to instruct Montross advocates and letty that they cannot do anything in Tulsa Nineteen, twenty one that could. Change the future or they would F-. Everything out so and they could not change the course of history and what that means is people who have died back. Then they have to remain on a path to death they can't warn people that can't save people and as we see even if it's your own kin, your own people's your family, your own blood, you cannot do anything. And I thought that was also as episode display. This I thought it was powerful because I put myself in that position, I could imagine. I go back in the past. Could I trust myself? And I know people do stuff by accident but from a willing perspective, could you trust yourself not to? Warn, or try to help yourself or even people in your pass even people in your family not to change. Like if you knew something terrible was going to happen at this particular day. Could you find yourself not to change a thing and let it occur in front of you? Arm. I'll say this episodes very tough for me on a lot of like I. said before earlier you know my mother passed away just less than two years ago now. And win seeing. Atticus call out for his mother. You know for Mama he sees her just broke my heart. I just absolutely broke my heart I. Add, up for nets two days after that you know. Y- like this. I'll just add up you know I didn't even realize the time. It wasn't till later on I realized how Mathiot moment crush me. and. I don't know you know I. Don't know what I would do in that situation. You know given that chance I have no idea because I I would. You know people say about. Senator has you have any dangerous for another minute another chance to say something to someone you know and so I don't I don't know what I would do in that situation. Is Tough. everything I. You know seen Montross sitting there with the person he loved he said to young Boy Thomas Yeah. Yeah it was bad. You know all of that I I felt every Madaka said that scene was so powerful to me and the bat rolling up and the predestination of it all and this is something that I the very doubtful kid and this is Minded. Thought about win as I. Let's say you're standing on street corner and you decide to go left to right on that street. Now, you go left right on three will instantly change the rest of your life. But you can sit there on that street corner for the rest of your life as well. Trying to figure out. For right right but once you made that decision. That is your life. There is no right. You know if you went left there is no, there is no right. You know that's it and you won't not effective that until. Well you probably won't ever really but it says, you know it's like there is only one thing there is only one there is. No. If there is only is basically there's no, there's no try there is do right yeah there. Yeah there it is. You know and in all seriousness, it really is like that and I also WanNa. Add that everyone listening has to understand that. Not doing anything is also making decision has been I mean with the with the metaphor use of standing on a street corner. Go you have a choice going going right and the third choice is doing nothing that's a choice. And to your detriment or to your. To you winning something that's great. But it's just you have to realize that every thing you do like our entire lives are a series of small decision making this that happened and whether or not they feel significant in the moment, they can have massive repercussions later on Maxine a question about the like. What would you like I? Feel like it depends on what you're set up to do right like in. In cases like they go back into this, like a this one room that they note that this happens to be untouched like at the beginning and end of their insurance in like where they. Actually. Set Up to do right like if they came back with like. glocks in Mike was UCA's in like things that can take them down right? Like they were ready to do that. That's a whole different setup than my them literally only having time to like trait and get a main and come back. So I feel like it depends on what you're set up to do honestly. And we've seen in a million time travel movies ware says like when you do decide you wanna come through and fuck shit up ya the future big being worse. And ends up just being a place where you really don't want to be there and it's just like do and it's a it's a moral conundrum right? Do you allow these these moral atrocities to happen in order for? You to be alive or certain people in history alive, and these are these are and I want to scare anybody because I, know this also such A. Lot to think about as a lots of contemplate and at the same time, you're also human live your life I know as I said, yes your life is a series of of multiple decisions and any one of the season's could could. Become something else but you can't sit there just thinking about whole your. Yeah. Like what do I do like you have to live I'm an indecisive SPIC. So that's all I do and. But at the same time, you have to make movement and you have to make choices and that's what I've learned being indecisive. I am I've also learned that you know whenever I put my foot forward. You know the universe also conspires to help me move the wretched you always got to keep moving forward. Yup. Lastly, in this start of time travel and I mentioned the butterfly effect and we gave you several. Examples there of on the Dreamland Theater Marquee in the show, they wanted the movie that showing it's called the goal starring Buster Keaton and Virginia Foxx and looking at up the movie itself is a series of events or. Events set in motion by one action you know basically the main character he ends up being mistaken for like of criminal and. Everything thereof that happens like literally happens because he he he does one thing which is like he kicks a horseshoe and an end is against the noxious action that ends up having wide ranging effects on the rest of the story, and that also leads into our net steam because sadly the Tulsa massacre was also the effect of someone being a mistaken. I. Light light on that. Led to disastrous result with wide ranging effects. Once again, someone basically someone means someone white try to it like a black man rate a white woman. which which set off a series of actions that led to the essentially today massacre. and. Yes you know like if it's an ethnic massacre like that was no that was a wet. SET ANYTHING OFF. It's literally waiting board to do what they wanted to do in the first place. Stafford. So I'm not gonNA cover everything about the massacre but just so people have an understanding. It happened in the Greenwood neighborhood of Tulsa, which had a population of about ten thousand people. And that area was was deemed as a chance for black people to escape the harsher racial realities of life. Black Tulsen's were segregated into Greenwood but it's there where they built a thriving business district known as Black Wall Street it was. A. Wealthy Landowner from Arkansas moved here and started opening businesses for black resonance and of course, the whack residents live there followed suit and and continue to build up the area. That main street was actually named after Greenwood Mississippi and was later extended to the whole neighborhood up to thirty residents own grocery stores they own different types of businesses like hotels and theaters and transportation services all run by black entrepreneurs and as As quote goals we have that kind of prosperity in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one this was black Wall Street for a reason and it was burned down and destroyed for reason. Yeah. to get into this just a little bit. I was watching this episode. The destruction of Tulsa everything didn't hit me as much because I feel like I personally had become a bit desensitized to it after having watched watchmen and knowing about it for as long as I've personally known about you know the destruction of Black Wall Street I, I learned about it when I got to Howard University now when I first learned about it and And so. I wanted to do a little research as we do for the show, and so I wanted to see because I was wondering I. Okay. Why is it that one? We keep being shown Tosa right like in the space of a year we've seen it on watchmen and Allan this show. One you know we're approaching one hundred year anniversary. So it's Guys, it's on everyone's mind. But doing the research for this show I learned about what they was coined as the red summer, which was coined by James Weldon Johnson composer who wrote the Negro national anthem you know the jam. And he said the period of racial terror between nineteen seventeen to nineteen twenty three point is the red summer. Right nineteen seventeen to nineteen twenty-three remember this is when America's going to World War One right in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, nine, think join over one So during this time, not only engage in a world war, we still have time to engage a war on black people. another often another author Abram, X. Kennedy said the Red Summer described off blood spilled in the deadliest series of white invasions of black neighborhood since reconstruction reconstruction our cars right after the civil war which ends in eighteen sixty five. So this is what blew my mind about this and I've known this. But when you see it laid out, it is just so disturbing the constant, right? Okay. The civil war just in four hundred something years of. Slavery. Or more or Saturday, say right or change to a different form. One of the worst forms of slavery seen throughout history three seen throughout the history of humankind that former slavery would never been seen before. Until came until it was used the pump black people along with the genocide of native Americans, which is happening concurrently at the same time. Right all right. So so we're at you. Okay, civil war ends this we have reconstruction which this man says was the deadliest series of why we're having reconstruction, which is on its you know surface supposedly about giving back to black people to fixing the problems of slavery. But at the same time, white people are coming in invading black neighborhoods and you know what is the deadliest series until this happens in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventeen how many years of that in-between that real quick of fifty something not even like the generation of people. And so in nineteen seventeen, in one, thousand, nine, twenty, three and six years you have a series of riots are not even riots massacres. Let's use the right word where white people went into black neighborhoods and just a across the nation of America not at one place. This is in Chicago this happens in Washington DC. This happens in Florida with Rosewood. This is. All over the nation, you know to pay riot order. Perry. Massacre is also another one that happened in Flo-. Florida you all these things up like I said Montross tissue list of names of people. You mentioned docker chats and he mentioned ped- leg images, all these people that you can google. These are actual residents of Tulsa but going back to the whole series of. Inflection of terror and everything upon black people even in somewhere like Perry where they all day destroyed schools, the churches the stores like they didn't kill everyone people left behind black people would leave and leave behind their resources, their homes everything and never returned. None of these tribes forever reported as we all know that are not included in history books for the most part, and this is Perry Florida Perry Florida, this on an. Immortal cases and these instances. That's the same thing that happened a white woman accused some black man and like Porsche said, they're just waiting for us to take away everything. There's this book. that. I WANNA shout to the color of money because Tana House coach mentioned recently the Color Money Blankson the racial wealth gap by mezro Barrett End, and this book talks about how when everyone whenever you hear someone say, why don't black people do like the Jews black people do like the Chinese I don't black people. Do you know whoever you want and there's a reason why? Because whenever we have attempted debris response by Whiteness has been? Insane to say the least violently insane and okay. So going back to this red summer nineteen, seventeen to nine, hundred, twenty, three don't add late this stops there. And Ben. You're right at this happened during the World War One because World War One and in one thousand, nine, hundred. At the same time they got time. But recently That is going to come into attention a lot in the near future but a lot of people don't know about is the bombing in Philly of the move. Organization. This isn't a nine hundred, sixty two right that's in the seventies seventies. Okay. Jesus Christ and there's Oh excuse me. No. Now. Because there was a few things that happened. So they were happening. Night Yeah. So there was something happened in the seventies where there was a standoff with with with injuries and officers, gifts and stuff, but then. When they dropped the bomb that was eighty, five, eighty five let the fire burn speaking of fire which comes up so many times in this episode, let the Fire Burn is a excellent documentary up two years ago on the move bombing and everything, and there was an article in the source magazine years ago when I was growing up, that's when I first learned about district saint in being none of your history but please dropped a bomb on a residential district, a residential neighborhood in Philadelphia. Anyone who's in like Tahoe's talked to Chris Maura who grew up in Philly anyone group in Philly knows you know it's like this is this happened. You know this is what they do, and at this point you're all I'll be honest. I am really looking for my options for moving away from this country because I do not see it changing because this is what it was built and designed to do and change will be very incremental at best because the system people always say you know worked from inside to fix the system and everything systems built exactly. It's doing its acted with a bill designed to do. What's also interesting. Sorry. I had. This is this is good. This is good education. This is good. There's good reminder and even in the context of the show of lovecraft country should be oh, this all fits into all of the things we've been talking about The Butterfly Effect the aspect of rewinding time time repeating itself. All of these real life massacres and violent events keep repeating themselves happening over and over again up through. Something as agreed just bombing, a residential neighborhood happened through the eighties, which is not that long ago if you think about it and then obviously the ongoing police brutality and other things that continue to happen to black Americans in this country. So just the idea that these are all e even from a context of a show, this all feeds into the same storyline. And it is on I mean it's just so many instances like. I mean I don't like pylon bring the some of the things that are like the less well known stories because there is like, no like these big massacres, there's also disliked the general like There's this call finished in. They looked at this case of this mentor banks who he helped, build up a community in Arkansas where it was like it was black folk and then it was doing proffering so much that white people built us a town nearby and kind of like you. Had this happened in Israel or banks is a black man who built up like his own sharecropper. He had his plan of blank figured out how to like own the land that he'd been share cropping on in the a good farming land and then. Mysteriously he some like the sheriff is also in charge of collecting taxes in somehow he says, that is behind on paying taxes whenever all the accounting book show the door was always up to up to date and taking care of his taxes. And then he he was a big part of the community. He was like a councilman or something, and he again like it's mostly black who had had the small town and then like this other. Brandit. He decided that he was going to link up with Lacey Peterson within a year of Henley cannot with. They start having a lot of trouble with white folks in town. And is it was like Oh cameras in my family to go live in like the more and then within like a couple of doing that he died. And nobody would tell them what happened to him. That's not like a frigging like one story that happened so much throughout the south that people actually were big land owners and farmers, and so many of southerners like our people how to do farmland and they just got pushed out of being able to even owned land and get the money subsidizing that they would need to run arms anymore. So there's so many people who Again like twenty eight years in a meal like that was supposed to be a thing and people were like really onto it already. So many people forty diggers. Sony people who like they actually tried to build that out like they actually did what they need to do to get it happening and then it was all taken away from them. And that's when we talk about on for nerds far we say inclusion and include everyone because I've often thought about the word minority is such a both as word and is meant to divide people and the attack on people from Whiteness has come on every angle like we mentioned before and. Genocide of native Americans is taking place at the same time. During World War Two determined of Japanese Americans on American soil just because they were Japanese because we evolved war with. Japan. At the time these are being said just happen. You know we're an people at like it's nothing when we talk about the native American. But you're talking about stealing shit agreement after agreement and the land is stolen from them. You know to form this country. Now, that's why you know the phrase your we're all standing on stolen land is truth. Indeed. And I know this is a lot of process everyone take a deep breath. All, right but one more one more thing. I'd say because I read into blows my mind it's like we're expected to this does work. Did go on with life you know. and. When you speak of The population you know the Holocaust is constantly reminded you know nine eleven now we're constantly reminded. We're talking about now right now we're living in a world where we have two, hundred, ten at four, hundred, fourteen. You know dead Americans from the coronavirus had the time recording? Yes. Two, hundred, fourteen, thousand you know turn Fourteen K thousand dead at his Hamas recording. If we lived in a just society, you know we'd be reminded of that because we're living in his BS right now we're not gonNA talk about that. Go sweep that under the rug as much as possible while it's three thousand people on nine eleven that you're minded about every year but we're not reminded about this. You know we're not taught about this and even if you were, you would still be expected to just go on. Like even still love this country. Yeah. I like all these stories being hidden is all like to it all helps the whole story of light. When will time by will to just get over it like? The whole lake idea behind. You know we're resilient because we have all these awful things happen to us what black people just keep on pushing on trust and it's sweet we overcome we shall overcome every single time and we're the ones you're supposed to be the ones who are. The ones who are the better person we're always better people. We always like forgive I wanNA something bad happens to us like that's how we're supposed to do because they told they've hidden these stories from my so it's like what are you actually angry about like angry about a lot of different things and you're telling me that I'm not supposed to be because it would then make. You have to do something and you don't want to do anything about it. So No and it's just like we say so many hidden stories just this year I learned about call Hampton like I grew up in Houston and call Hampton part of the Black Panthers or Houston that I didn't even know existed. You know why? Because They Kill Car Hampton at twenty one years old. I. Mean that they're getting Marshall went to my small town. Aimed I'd never. Thurgood. Marshall is so famous. So. Famous and you're Mahalia learn about Tulsa like at Howard I learned about also like Lincoln under the age we see you like I didn't they're good march with my you had no idea that was all connected to my small town because he got out of it. Yeah. I. Know About Thurgood. Because my mother in a tissue school law is where she went and attended Texas Southern University. So that's how but yeah. We just don't learn this stuff. I, do like that. This show is, as we say, a teacher has about American history black history, which is American history teaching us about our past and our president, and also teaching us about the different abilities of people and and the things they go through like we learn things like machos being dyslexic so they. Enter that into the to the thoughts. We also are learning about alcoholism as a disease. Liquor played a big prominent role. In this episode, it has appeared in the last episode particularly Machos, but it continuously appeared in this episode. And you can look at it as both a conduit for causing alleviating pain as we saw, montrose us at all to uses alcohol to drown out his demons and his his his internal debate within himselves He saw him drinking like this moonshine top of type of concoction that he says Uncle George or excuse me his brother George Calls Road rash. Montrose being drunk facilitates his emotional. Violence against advocates particularly when he was a child and even now just him just going in on attic is usually he's he's drunk when his happening and has always called him out on it macho father especially, as we see in this rewind nineteen, twenty, one episode, his father was also drunk and under the influence as he was physically abused abusing. Montross in it was wild because you actually saw machos get the biggest switch in his life to beat Machos s and what was more unnerving is that the direction of this episode sat there major? Watch. And you saw letty both leading advocates wincing like seen as corporal punishment happening in front of them. But then you as the audience you're watching this, you're watching him beat kid montrose bloody. Yeah. Is Tough. You know like I didn't grow up you know I mean I grew up feeling like all people I think deal figuring out what this? Is, but I definitely grew up with a father who is a functional alcoholic And I grew up with that rage that was caused by alcoholism and by being a black man deal with it dealing with America you know and alcoholism together and. All you know I grew up, you know I've been hit with everything and so that that scene was you know. Like. Most of this episode. And then have adequate cry for his mom mother at the same. You know in the same scene you know like I say hit me it. Does me as a child you know basically running from dad you know doing my mom and so it was tough man this is tough. About that dynamic between Montrose and advocates when they did have at finally into Porsche Porsche was waiting for this. They did finding the shop have that conversation where where Macho Sake Yo the more. You you're not the father came out and he said Yo I'll Georgia's probably your dead homie. I loved how quick turnaround was radically Yo after this is. You had in my life and. This like I'm ready to cut up for real. It was like that, Song The daddy something came out in the early thousands or whatever like you ain't my daddy should like own. Literally. Came at Montross he's doing my daddy. I JUST WANNA big up Jonathan Majors. He's a hell of an actor. Of and he's an act toll, the emphasis on that's off like. The way he you saw him doing the calculations into mental and emotional and physical calculation than this head of you're not my dad then what the fuck was all of this. Bullshit I went through my entire life with you and he says it at one point I wanted it to be my father. Because of all this stuff I had to go through enter. FINAU. Now, he really was an all trio because it was a pack essentially between Montrose Dora and and. George that this was just going going be. Man and like I had those feelings too, and then I think advocates had to wrestle with the same things that I had to wrestle with is the fact you had to understand one I didn't have any of the boss. George, in my life who wasn't nobody else I wish my mom and married him you. Heck is all. Be. Retrace. But I was just like more. So I had to understand that without my father being my father I wouldn't be me. You know and me and my father had a different relationship. Now I love my bad and I understand a lot of the things that he put upon me where because of his own trauma. I understand that and I'm not carrying that forward you know and I forgive them for that. But for a time, I, was there with you know. Atticus where I felt that way. But then I understand that you know everything that is is because of who I am now, he the new stand that just because George was there. Is One of the things Montross and still daddy and that's a macho says he's. I've wanted you. Yes. You know I raised you now whether or not are as you the best way I raise you the best way I could or the best way I knew, and that's what I understand about my own father. He was raised in meet a best way. He knew you know which probably ain't the best but you know you doing the best and he also supported me in a lot of ways and all that too and Montrose for all his trash is still is doing the same. And Atticus dropped so much trash himself that he can't talk about nobody whenever you're going down a little bit of bitch ass in there too. I if we're being very honest. ooh Boy conversations trip had. Conversations could be had, and that's why I everything is such a complicated truth and it annoys me a bit because I feel like all of these cancers are so smart so for them. Constantly run into these complicated truths and as Ben kept saying images has had a conversation they wouldn't be one contradicting each other every step of the way they wouldn't be losing leverage against a common enemy or presumed common enemy the white folks, white magic and Christina, and they would be moving as a unit considering they all have gone through this magic gauntlet in many different ways and even people who is not supposed to be witted Diana. Does innocent and she got got maybe the worst. They also live yet let got shot and technically die but she here. But don't you didn't that Kinda ties in with like Black families and what we do in don't know by omission like what they've chosen to tell us what toys chosen to give a nice overtime in what the insulate a of the times like they're. You know they're not rapping her place kind of situation from the job of like should I share this or should I not and they ended up keeping to themselves and then doesn't happen to be without them only like rhythm making the choice of not telling her whatever they didn't think they would have percussions on her but it did. Yeah. Yeah The Repercussions Macho. And this is a different type of rubber question. But when Marshall's revealed to the whole story about what actually the full story of what happened to him as a kid in Tulsa and his friend Thomas and having to watch that scene. When letty revealed to advocate that she already gave the pages Christine when she gave her senior the negatives of the photos and she did it in an effort to protect Abacus but atticus was already working on this Bell Montrose. was saying right there because this is something so truest. Black parents have to deal with just yet another level like what do I tell my kids because me especially I've know growing up I was A. Boy You know when it came politics and stuff and white people into religion into a lot of things. I just had a lot of thoughts you know and I know my mom would try and curb me where she'd be like bad I didn't. You know look why Graca for What they do, and she knows you know I have like older cousins who marched mckean literally like handing in their pitcher him McCain. My mom was the first black city councilwoman ours a cow something in the city of Cheyenne. Wyoming, which if you know fucking Wyoming, it is nothing but white people and there's a reason wider is wonder bread. You know they drove every black person out. I. Ernest recently, people always talk about like Utah and places like that. White people I mean black people just didn't. WanNa live there. and. That's not the case you know white people drove black people out of these places out of Wyoming Montana out of Utah out of the Mid West. You know drove them out literally and my mom was the first black woman there. So. This is I in my history, my blood you know. I could go on and on, but that's Not, the point the point is like. She would not tell you tell me a lot of things she would educate me on black history. Of course you know she was very much all that but there's a lot of stuff that she knew that you just don't tell your kids because how do you tell them that inspect them to go on with life? You know I. It's this choice in country to we have to deal with it. So many things that we have this fucking tight rope. To Walk in Yeah. and. The cracker so much on this show y'all. On getting it you know because I'm tired of it. I'm tired of walking tyrod. Twin telling me that man. That fucking Tiro well even and these characters keep walking the tightrope and very. Smart Point Porsche like you have to be smart about what type of information you share and what you don't and has been says walking tight of how much information do you give I thought it was comedy when Letty try to explain the true to Hattie a abacus great grandmother when the House was being burnt and atticus will right before they have adequate great-grandmother Ranan caught letty rummaging through the doors and it was like Bro. What are you doing I? Knew you as suspect you had on them convert shoe what's going on and then letty just look. She was like, yeah, I might as well every inch e the way. Let me try to explain what was happening. She was the future I felt like it was like every black person trying to explain lovecraft country to they cousins like because it was just well you my cousins aunts uncle and I'm GonNa have your great grandbaby and I need this because we need the magic spell like she just. Was Comedy and again just just an indicative of the truth being absolutely complicated and also just a quick question to the both of you if you was that ancestor and somebody from the claiming from the future showed up at some wild time and they said Joe I, need you I need you to give me I need to me this special book. Because all this is happening. Would you believe them? My mind you. There's some wearing this dress from the twenties and converse sneakers which of believe him. But I wake I saw not everybody knows about that book so. So I felt like NFL curbing the Guardian That was when that was my main question, I, WanNa, talk in its at CR actually was. D- think that The grandma had shared the information about the book with at least someone else besides herself about like being the Guardian like with like what is their family like bank about passing it on like when do they get to know because from what we can tell from advocates his mom was either adamant about not talking about it or literally just like. Didn't know what the conference of the book where because her grandma didn't know the book where she just knew that she was tasked with having the message on top of it and keeping it safe. She was side opening, right? So I'm like someone but someone in your family line someone had have opened it in figuring you know like you know there's someone always the line. Right well, that's someone. Just Hattie. Yeah because having said that she was told not to open it right but the words, the words the. Open yet there's a magic spell just even open the book yet been saying like somebody had to be curious to open it before atticus we don't think. Listen, we talked about families especially in black families keeping secrets and they've kept it well secret for years and sometimes zeal hundred years so And and I think Hattie because she knows. You know I think there is something where these women in the family know some magic at the very least might not even be on all the you know in the book they might have pages outside book whatever. But she was you when she saw shorty right away she knew what was the year as soon as I saw. The fucking converse is on the Cortez's I was just like Oh yeah that's that's wild that she don't belong. Industry, I was like. Look man looked older. She kinda looks they're trying to blend she wild places them sneakers on. Have you over here like how did you hit on sneakers? I come everytime, bitch. Every fucking Saturday I come up empty and you over here on. The Nike APP. And he was pissed. This abbot passionately said. With? You turn to make work here, but it doesn't work. Out of my house but to your point because like basically, no, one would know about the book and the fact that Letty did and also the fact that letty basically saw you got that Harry Potter birthmark on you and no one else then maybe that's why. Okay sure all right a big ups though too Regina Taylor the actor who played Gaddis adequate great grandmother she's been in everything. Damn near everything for years and so. Can we talk about people having conversations not have conversations about rubies? We're we're talking about that right now it's. Time to bring it up. Yeah because a Porsche called Ruby. Salad? Brother Mellow Marketer who said Atticus is the villain of the series early. Early as But I'm not sure I feel like we terminated happen happening right now now that making me feel like maybe he is but we all. We also have to say that like we said earlier, we trust none of these. Ruby especially though. Listen I. DON'T I've said it before and I said it again I don't trust Ruby nor Christina I don't trust their relationship because at the end of the day I. Feel like Ruby is still a means to an end for Christina. Christina has developed some type of true feelings and they both have maybe have some type of true feelings. They are both textbook definitions of individualism as as Christina Lectured Ruby about you want it what you wanted and Christina's same Christina. Will Not stop until she's immortal like just seem to think about that that concept of a human being saying I am not going to stop until I memorial. You mortal like what? She even so I wanna see forever I and all that, and this is like. Him and you like is just out of control and also just the fact that rubies falling right into the trap of Christina like when when, when Ruby. Lambasts letty trying to make her feel stupid for Pharma behind advocates in them and I'm just like. I don't trust you. At all at all. I do I will say this about the writing on the show it is even when cared of made decisions that I don't agree with understand them you know and doing her characters are behaving themselves and understand why they would make that decision because I understand we'll be like if somebody came out with like, Oh, you ain't gotta deal with this bullshit. nomo. I might be like word and they kept their word. That's. WHO SAYS I but like in the I mean boosted on a huge level to. Do, it boasted of American. Everything is good. You know all you gotta do that football over there die. Literally. She's over here. Water headed his she. Out. Here, totally for her Avatar. Trying to customize her Barbie that's one she was all in. She says, she shut off the she sought up the life for her Sim. Life. fucked up I WANNA say oh. Now. Ruby is completely sold into this life. She literally said. I don't know about this over here Mexico for advocates in casinos like how? I only braddock institutes like only advocates. You only muster Care Kill. To others shot. Mama you think about it in full lovecraft country world context. She not wrong issue. She could give a fuck about advocates like. Ruby. Yes. No and advocacy trash. He does. His bed almost attacked her sister like. These territories music understandable. But at the same time though like I know a being a assists there. You don't be likened some of the dudes that your siblings newish. You sometimes like you would you be down like kill sister found out that he was ready whenever it came down to the kill order you're like look I just said you're safe I think it's not like you'll be fine with saying that to your sibling I didn't care for your person died. My sister my. Baby Daddy I? Mean No, you know. But some of the mother if somebody's that, you ain't got to deal with the bullshit of American know moby. homeboy slip. For one of them chats be no question. Dow. Up. Ever, so this is a few more. Lines like is still. Wow Wow Billion Dollars on the elevator. Okay. Listen another theme that catch the fire and fire. This is huge. This. Display twice actually in two different ways. So kesse fires actually the name of a poem by Sonia Sanchez. Sonia Sanchez and She's a she's an American poet writer professor leading black figure black woman in the Black Arts Movement She's been part of the the the. One I'm trying to say she's a member of core the Congress for racial equality she met Malcolm X. like she was part of the whole civil rights situation. She she she she been there she's been with it. Ben had some great extra notes about this this poem, catch the fire like where it's from In nineteen ninety-four as a in one not not bill cosby had been on that bullshit since nineteen, ninety four but basically a response to bill cosby's admonition are monitoring of the youth of black people saying that they had no fire and so this is something you're saying catch fire black people, and even in the show I was taken aback by the words of it like I love Sonya, I, love most of. Which is I you know? Catch fire but don't do that gains through shadow you know and this is nineteen, ninety four. So she's obvious talking against rap music and she's a huge fan of hop in general but I'll been against the rap is misunderstood and cast as bad thing. So now my one thing and then my other question was like you wrote this as I oh yeah bill you're right. About that. Well And Most famous people knew about bill early might not have known a being. People knew men, and so it's you know it's interesting. Yeah you know. Well so the cash afire poem, the voiceover happens when after a basically Hattie, the grandmother Great Grandmother Essentially agreed to die in a fire and lead and that's another reason why this is so hard for me to watch. So let watches her. Catch by. Again why ask before like if that was used the answers, could you agree to that but if it meant the securing of your bloodline is occurring on the future of your family would you do it probably will? Write. Her. A Lot. But yes, the that poem started playing on the voice over for the poem. Sorry. Playing the actual voice over Sonia Sanchez and the. I wanted to readjust just a quick stanza from it Here, we go. Where is your fire? I say, where is your fire? Can you smell it coming out of our pass the fire of living not dying the fire of loving not killing the five black Miss Not Gangsta shadows where is our beautiful fire that gave light to the world the fire of Pyramids, the fire that burnt through the holes of slave ships and made us breath. I encourage you all to google the catch fire poem by Sonia Sanchez to really read everything about it and really interrogate the words that she saying and the way I read it because I'm just reading through but she says it in a rhythmic way 'cause it's also watch the video of you can but she doesn't very rhythmic way she employees things like Haiku and and and. That that soprano sounds and things like that to to help put emphasis on award. So so listen to it and read it. But the reason why I'm bringing up is because this is essential to this episode of how your history helps make you who you are of how you have to use your ability to uplift your family and community recognizing your power. In this case, your blackness as your fire as as your source of progression of movement towards the future and you see this happening through the episode. Using one example atticus. When he grabs that Bay, he goes wailing on the white people and you hear the Catcher, you hit the opera version but you hear the catcher fire songs are to play and the fact that he's doing this is secure the future of his family's future of black. People. It also makes me think of a very and I said this on four owners before but very disrespectful thing that has been going on with people where they were like, Oh, I'm not my ancestor. Let me tell you something you are here because of your ancestors, you are your ancestors, your ancestors fuck shit up for you. There and I know people try to quite say, well, you know what? About the respectability politics people? That's not what I'm talking about here. Your ancestor very reason you breathe. So never in your life, should you ever say anything so ridiculous Ever over. Just want to make that point. Also about fire, the idea of fire has cleansing. For, new things you when when fire, the natural occuring fire occurs in a in a forest whatever clears the brush, it makes way for new growth There's lots of allegory here and I mentioned Hattie burning right in front of. Is. Ben You said it. Had A-. Had he had a comment about her faith becoming flesh? One of the reasons why she decides to just let history happened as it's supposed to happens because she has his unwavering faith that she's like an her grant, her great triple great grandson or whatever. That baby I let summit represents that is the continuation of her faith. There's also some other. References that caught my I was ready walking through the streets and the fire bombs dropping all around her her walking through through the fire. Reminded me of one reminded me of the film apocalypse now by Vietnam. And bombings that they show NFL and also reminded me of letty being the Phoenix you know and being reborn in this lame and walking through the fire and still surviving and coming out of the ashes Tulsa something greater and stronger through it. He sang through the fire. Gave me shock con so Oh. and famously tiny through the why And also there's a famous poem of by Delmore Schwartz where he has the line time is the fire in which we burn time is the fire in which you learn. As always struck me those lines and at that time is fire either way did you learn to it and you burn it? You know either way we burn away through the pass it to time and you know it's also how we learn. Yeah, and all of these I. Again, we have to say this as a masterclass in writing also, the series miniseries is because all of this stuff connects with previous things character said that connects with with previous themes of previous episodes that idea fire next dream that both leading advocates have have kept having a Bernie in the braithwaite manner. But as we see now, ladies and vulnerable, she can come through with no suffering connects back to I episode of with that Fire Song by mother's finest the band. and again, just the idea of fire being a force and unstoppable force. That could be used for. Both growth and Sometimes a whole things back. Yeah and we see a few. Houses getting it was just. It was difficult to watch I just. Again, a direction choice to allow us to watch Hattie burn in real time. Ever seen that before in my life. In her hand being safe because it was what was it was in buddies hand yeah. In the book also being safe because it was like in inlays other hands like who she streets protecting like the legacy of the family is the oldest living person family in like their oldest like artifact issues leading the vote that moment. Just a lot of overtones there And her hold in the future at a family owned. And a book you know being future families. Welcome. Just read family. Your. Standard, everybody. Everybody involved here. Okay and once again. People talk about the terror and horror in this series, and you see like the monsters are one thing but the real monster all off for people at least is dealing with America itself and. One of the most horrific moments this series is not inflicted by any magic or any of that. It's just by. You know white people being white people. Porsche you had a theme here. That I. Love You talk through. Through. Up Noticing as we've been watching these different episodes of this. Now episode, nine of the series like we care heartbeat said really intricate different parts of the stories. and. I personally found a like for this episode. HEARD THEM I when William slept in talking to the cops? As he's like not healing from his wounds like you can hear we'll. We'll see right it's hard. William but also Christina, it's also Christina we'll. Stena. COPS. and. then. We also your heart beets when. We hear and see it in the movement of the portal. Whenever. hippolyte is conducting the machine. You can literally see the portal like pump like a hard pulse on apple states, and it kind of makes a con on a heartbeat sound but it's like it moves like a heartbeat can inflate rhythm in the. and. Then also, we hear heartbeats when letty walks through the bombs looking here like the music you hear the bombs, but you also hear like a faint heartbeat of. A little bit Kabaddi, the heartbeat of her child, her unborn baby. It'd be a lot of things. It's and overall heartbeats. Heart signifies love truth the inner you the it could be a heartbeat of the community of family and all of the characters have embraced and combated these themes throughout the miniseries and also as said before black women are beating hardy universe. Thank you for coming to your tedtalk never forget never get. Rounding out with the themes I just asked in bold letters is hippolyte ascended to God now. The mini series folks, this is a mini. Bombing was alluding to win. He said everyone's kind of a little powerful in game. He was a little opie right now. So what's going on? You know a little too much. How much further can you go with this story? Perhaps spinoff opportunity. The of interest movement, the of blue. Number One. Number One how does she get back because cynically the machine was supposed to be broke and it was still broke when they showed up and is no carpet her to drive back with? What hippolyte says that she was on Earth Five, zero, four, four, the equivalent for about two hundred years when they ask her, where was you, Bro. And she talks about the infinite. She was on a place where there was infinite possibilities when it wisdom and she's and. That wisdom that I did and I up only. In comics that idea of having infinite. Power and wisdom reminds me of of Gods of the ultimate of the what are the delivering plan is. All the stuff is just like. Are. You even human at this point we saw that we saw in the episode that Serafin or whomever in. These crystals or things in her in hippolyte his risks what they are I still have no idea. And then she holds a crystal at one point and says, I can use this to restart the machine like. Who is she? What's going on when she becomes hippolyte a blue This could be referenced but I took it as a reference. Her Eyes Turn White. You heard pupils are GonNa Remind Me Superhero Storm. Lightning bolts from out of lightning bolts come out of her storm is one of the most powerful mutants, all of the Marvel Universe and a black woman and one of the few black women as well. It's a lot going on here. Why Five Oh folks. area call for the way the Anna. Holy Bible. That's. Yes I mean my my only big into my. Mind lines on the wall and everything I was thinking about how you know beyond say is from Houston and her mom is from New Orleans right so rice the connection, right? Also. I okay, Ivy and if you know your mathematics economics. Lugosi ceilings above her okay. The light ago she went into space the Arnaud seal release. People say you reach it? Seems. That's actually good point been A. When. You said that before I thought of New Orleans. New Orleans is a place of rebirth. What we call now. On our born when I was in New Orleans but you know you can call it that. I'm talking there's a lot of spiritual energy. Shrew is going on there. And also disappoint I WANNA make. During that that comment when hippolyte is first of all, she shows up the fucking hurricane comes through and says Joe we gotta go like she knows absolutely everything and she explains why you know infinite possibilities all that she says and I'm going to use that to save my daughter now get in the car. It reminded me was to me it echoed now we speech in the IM episode where she says now, get the fuck now we explained you know you have all of this learning and this thought in all these abilities now get the fuck up as Ben I'm means beautiful sweatshirts says. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And also again while I'm like she, a God was going on with her what issue at this point because when she to control the multidimensional machine the multi-dimensional. Machine. hippolyte says requires a motherboard in the fifties and I. I don't know all the history of the fifties. I don't think they have that tech yet. So she explains that she can be a stand in for it a conduit. If you will for those who don't know what a motherboard, it basically processes the communication to all of the different crucial electric electronic components of a system. So in the case of your computer that you're using to watch us on right now. It connects all of the central core processing units memory. It helps you connect it connects other things to your computer like the reason why your keyboards working with your computer right now, the reason why your mouse works that motherboard is necessary and this story. Is figuratively, and literally the motherboard of the series she is the connecting tissue for all the cavs of the show and her return is the only reason that they can save d. and the entire family and progress story forward. Wild Shit. Within say. Be. I'm just saying there's a lot right now that is messing meal and finally finally last theme Vampirism. was waiting to. Say Christine is vampire. We talk about the idea of blood being lifeblood rejuvenation transformation. We see we'll. We'll stay in a explained that the blood of these closest relatives is required in order for that that spell to help reverse her curse to work temporarily reverse the curse Christina shares with Ruby that atticus blood is a major component of her immortality spell and that she needs quote all of it in order to successfully. Get immortality. which Ben. And also I personally personal standpoint every time I. See William Christina's William he reminds me of Eric North men from blood And when I looked it up des. Jordan Patrick. Smith who plays William. Looks like he can be Alexander Skarsgard fucking brother. They look just like so there's your vampire right there, and of course, Christina wearing that blood readdress standing out very much throughout the episode and even let he's wearing a readdress. Scary. That is the theme of this episode as far as Easter eggs miseration. We already talked about a lot of them already mentioned. Sony Sanchez and catch the fire definitely watch and listen to that poem as you get when you moment another Easter. Inspiration, as the exorcists when embiid turning into the top of the human, they try to remove the curse. It. It just gives me shades of the exorcist where see that her face really wild into monarch and then. Christina drawing the the curse of Hera just reminded me of Harvey's like Amityville Horror the flies going all over the place. It was a lot. Mike Pence. A. Accordion and just to give you the context according to some political references like flies follow you immed- you happiness And it will continue to be that way into the flies gone. Some people say that flies following you is a sign that you should repent your sins and work towards redemption otherwise everything will go wrong in your life. Right parents. And as we mentioned before Lord of the flies, the devil. Musical notes for this episode include the Song Avalon Al Jolson. The song my baby's Fox Trot. Enter Tulsa nine hundred, twenty, one Don't kill Dub says rob featuring Sonia Sanchez what what it is a Remix of Sonia Sanchez. Poem her speaking the poem and then the it's called Tulsa nine hundred, twenty, one catch fire, which is the operatic version of the Sonia Sanchez Poem Sung. Composed Qassam by Janai Brugere of the Metropolitan Opera. Very. Beautiful. So very stateful ns hard as Tulsa burning right during the end. During ladies walk down the. Streets Yeah and deny Brugere. She is a black woman, a beautifully gifted lyric soprano. That is it for the details we ran through so much this episode. And also, we think this is this I think this is the first time at the end credits at the song is Centerman. Wasn't potentially because. I like every episode Centerman plays right. At. The end of this episode, they just continued the catch a fire opera. Interesting. 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2181: Reverse Dolezal

The Black Guy Who Tips Podcast

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2181: Reverse Dolezal

"Who Tips podcast I listen because some rotten Karen A- hot. Hey. Welcome to another episode of the Black Guy Tears podcast. I'm your host Rod joined US always by my co host carrying a we are live on a Wednesday which is becoming quickly. Everybody's favorite day of the show you sir, because it means we're GONNA. Review lovecraft country. And everyone seems to be eleven it will all the blacks I don't know why people are. But all the blacks we love it and so yeah, this is our recap. Of course you can find us on Itunes stitcher problematically was priced our reviews. The official weapon of the show is as an unofficial sport about and bullet ball extreme. So make sure you do that we appreciate right it takes time out to do that was again quick. Reminder before we even get into the show, we're still looking for musical interludes for our show. We want to spice it up on a jazz it up. We got a couple of people that have already reached out to me like I'm working awesome stuff but you know our transitional segments where there'd be guest to raise fucking with black people and beat the take you. Black capitalism all the stuff. It's all up for grabs you come up with a good jangle. We will give you props play it on the show, and it may become one of our new songs. People will be seeing what we do live shows and stuff come out and we know we got plenty of talented people out there. So hoping we get a lot of missions. Another housekeeping. CHARLOTTE PODCAST FESTIVAL DOT com. CHECK US out there. Okay. Because we are GONNA be on some panels yesterday. It's absolutely positively free to the public absolutely for your pay anything that you do have to register they have limited space. Yeah. It is brought to you by. The same people who bring you NPR? Okay. Let's Public National Review National Public Radio Yes. Charlotte podcast fast. 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All right cool. So let's go ahead and get into lovecraft country episode five strange case written by Cheryl. I. Meka Green and Jonathan. I kid and Sonya winton dimension of did story So yeah. Yeah. That's correct. All right. So Yeah caring. Started I we always do this time. What did you think about this episode in general? I absolutely love it they. I know we're going to detail. They did something that I. It may have been presented on television but now I haven't seen like this. And I really. Really. enjoyed. A lot of swaps, a lot of changes. A lot of the. Special Effects. I had about. Yeah I love me a good allegory. You know I love me a good. You know The things we talk about in our spaces, you know the things we talked about it in our social circles. Intersectional Feminism White Feminism. You know ratio of. Oppression and all this other stuff code switching. Respectability politics is all in this episode and it's just like a masterpiece of that. Which is interesting because for me, this was the least scary episode. Like at no point what I like it got some. Gross. Special effects but I never fell anyone was truly endanger. Maybe, a minute of the show. In that minute we know that they not killing Ruby. So is mean there's no true danger on the screen. So it was actually a kind of A. Different episode and we also got very good character development with Montrose letty and intake especially MONTROSS. So so to me, that was covered all the bases and I just love. as a character and like getting to know her and seeing where they're going to take that character. I'm starting to lean towards my theory that she's GonNa possibly be a villain. I think so too. You know. Just, just because of the way that that things are shaking now and You know some the foreshadowing they're having. I don't know. So. All right. Let's go ahead and start getting into the actual episode into breakdown and all that stuff. So, like I said, episode five his strange case. What I'm GonNa do is separate this recap the same way I did last week. So I'm not going to do in this to quench of or. We'll still take our time and make it long but. Letty Montross and take is going to be one section and Ruby is another now unlike last last week Ruby will be last because she to me has the major storyline. Yes. All right. So We come back. We're in the room. Where we last are montross slash slash the throat a Yo Hema. Your email course being the. Two spirit person who was the? Translator. They were GONNA use to translate the word of Adam into English so that they will be able to do spells and shit. But of course, for some reason Montrose killed her and reset everything. It was like when your plan men and finally starting to get the lead and your friends unplugged the whole fucking thing. 'cause they mad down yes. It's like monopoly. When somebody like you bow? Wow. Amplify plays flip the holdover. Yeah like. Just starting to get on the. Right path and of course here you come. Loser, you will not get off a railroads and utilities that right the is how much have you own forever I ain't got that nope I'm going to tip it over so. He's sitting in a row. Now you'll hemas gone. The chairs empties it in a different share looking at his hands. Let's blood underneath his fingernails. There's no sign of blood or anything in the room. But you know I. Think that this may have been the next day. Yeah. Don't make sense because he went to bed take went to bed after Montreal starter how proud he was of them so it was sounded like it was first thing in the morning. And so much. He didn't clean up time to get rid of that body. So we do not see Yo Hema. Oh and we hear the elevator being and letty and take our talking. And actually discussing like the next steps like, okay. We can get into to translate to English and we can learn to protection set spells and they come in the room she go. Martorell sitting there looking at his bloody hand. Just, nonverbal not making eye contact. It doesn't take long for take the put together. Because ladies like where she go and my trousers say go. And take those lines letty goes eat something. Let he goes. You let to walk out of here. How long ago? Maybe we could find her. So she think like she her leave the house and just go do whatever now my thing is. The possibility of that is almost ridiculous because you're talking about this woman that was ripped out of two hundred years ago ain't can't open her mouth speak English like so there really was no letting her go like there was no, and now she got a job working at the winn-dixie. He liked me let it was like she up and around the corner right? Right and so take puts it together immediately. Like he because he gives. Montrose a savage beating like not like the beating where you think he's GonNa. Kill. Him. Like it was like this was not just like imagine. Let her go. It's. Not like you fucked up the whole plan of what we're trying to do but also. Your fucking murderer. You know take understood right away And then he hits a raised at a so strong like this. This fury is so uncontrollable in his opinion raise to yes and. Letty can't even pull him off of Montrose. She asked a call the other people who are at the Boardinghouse to pull him off Montreal's and even then once they get him, Oh, you'd be like Shit they just let them go to Donna by what that smoke and what he did to Montrose. And like you said, it's a Pinto rate and they've talked about their past and he's very mad like the that's the anger that's like I've been waiting. For many many many many many many years type anger that wouldn't that beaten wouldn't just about that particular situation right and he's talked earlier in the season about the abuse experience at the hands of his father and then the FA-, his father's talked about the abuse. Experience at the hands of his father. So it's a cycle of abuse that often people don't are able to break his eat light you know. TV. Makes the Anti. Social? So easy. Go get therapy and he just but but. Also a man who's been the war right. So who knows what kind of PTSD shady dealing with there? And then of course, you know just what they've been through in the last few weeks. And and I think a lot of people who are rage addicts or have a trouble tempers. To me this is one of our worst nightmares is losing control this way. Yeah. Because it's also one of the things to which tick was like month like I'm only back here because of you in the first place like I am back because of you because I actually care that's why I'm back and this is a very Back and forth relationship. Because it's a heart relationship because it's like, okay, this is a parent. This is somebody who, yes, they abused me but they also took care of me. You know and you feel that with all these type of emotions and it's one of those things where some people just cut those people out of their lives there was little. I don't have time for this. I got to me that means you got to go yeah, we see it when. We saw before when and They were in the tunnel last week. And MONTROSS A, him had this conversation about you better go get your woman and you know how your Mama used to do me a block like so you're right there's this does a conflicting narrative here because it's not simply urine abuser you're out of my life terrible per right. It's yearn of you have I recognize that you have beaten me and abuse me I also. Recognize that you have love me nurse me and all this other shit is very conflicting and is very complicated and you know for people who have never dealt with the been around abusive people are never dealt with a been around abusive husbands and wives loved ones or MOMS and DADS. They have a tendency not understand montages lead should is not this. Nope we. All right. So he beats them, he's completely out of control. He. Goes down to the basement he starts looking through these photos which she has down in this dark room she's using to. Develop film, and he just frantically looking through everything looking for pictures of titus pages to see if she took photos of because Montreal's is also destroyed the pages. Because he the bookie burnt right now, the bookie burn was the atlas. Okay Soda Pages that they recovered he wrote that they risk their lives for he burned those as well. Okay. Like this is a hundred percent about stopping letty in take from their goal of learning more and more about the order. Of Adam. These pages and is he's fails and shit. It's something that he knows like and let he's hitting on that letters like you're going to let him walk her. Lack of who not happening when you obviously know the fuck was going on like you know something. And who knows he might he might have even. Known What would have happened if they translated it, he might not have been able to translate it but you know it might be something in there. There's there's like if these was a transplant, you know what I mean like us never. So as one of those things where he knows something he's not telling them. Well, I think will you know so much? Aiding your so coy about what you do know and you make it your mission to stop them on their path. You can't be around like this is the ultimate you can't be trusted like it went from. He begrudgingly went along with it to now he's almost the enemy. Now, the thing is kind of hard when the in the person that's the enemy is doing out of protection right out of love. So you know I don't think his motives necessarily are I think his motives ought to protect his family and the scientists, but I think What he's done is treacherous and. Basically unforgivable. You know and also I think that Montrose has seen some shit like he has literally seen or. Experienced should they had an experience because you know they had them locked up and all that shit. So who knows what happened? We might get a flashback something. This shows us what happens during that time when Tikhiniya was going up there to find him. So. Who knows what really happened and he was like, no, no no. No. I don't want you to experience any. It is bluish it well, also, he's saying perfectly capable even when he broke out of prison in the to Artemije, he seemed very much like what are you even doing here I watch I'll is far away from this as possible as if he had it under control which his reverence for the Count of Monte Cristo Book makes me you know a book about someone who with orchestrations plan out of get prison and get revenge on his captors like makes me wonder how much of that is tied into this? So then he beat he is Montrose. Ship out of let it. Take goes down rebel through the far our staff. letty comes down basically like what's wrong by Blah and he's like one detectives. Pages. She's like you need a car. Dot. took. To me and she he stops himself because she's almost visit. She's visibly shaken but also sort of like she steels herself like is he going me or something and then he looks down to see she brought her back the same bat. She used a bash the windows out of those races people's cars she brought the bat with her and not think that's sobered him up to a certain. Extent it didn't make them no longer Rachel but it made him realize how out of control he was and you need to get the fuck away from her and in you know lying down dating thrill. Yeah. 'cause also think take is a person net doesn't ever want people to see the side of Oh? No no no you can tell he likes to be composed and he doesn't. Because he's been so damaged. You can tell the tick is a kind caring and loving person, but he is A. Mirror image of his father as far as he has. A, terrible way of expressing its. To let the people around them know that actually. I think also people that survive. Abuse or abusive challenges and stuff often try to become. The opposite of who their parents were. And been their biggest fears of being who their parents were. So like let's say your father wasn't around you were you were felt abandoned as a child or maybe you're been. Your. Big thing is either going to repeat that Cycle Vanna your kids. Or you're going to be one of these people normally that you know the opposite, which is I'm a doting father and I'm. Like I'm going to be one, hundred, ten percent name because I just don't WanNa be who my father was for me you know. And I think take kind of like that where he doesn't WanNa be like macho so bad. He doesn't even want to believe he he like he doesn't want to have that violence inside of him, but if someone is heating you all the time that becomes a language like. Not, I always tired the love language but I think there's also hate languages Languages the violence there's languages of abuse and. I think you know he's been affected by that. So. Thanks take thanks her for stopping him later. 'CAUSE, he's down there. I think this is when he's a cleaning. Up. His knuckles. and letty comes in. To like the garage area and she brings him a role undeveloped film that has the Patriots types as payday. She's like I did take them. I just haven't had time to process yet, and he's as she goes to leave and he says, thank you for stopping me as she has. You know, would you kill them if I wasn't there? And he says he as imagined it enough ever since he was a kid when his daddy used to beat him. That's a real thing I've talked to other people and you know they lie. Yeah. When person abuse me I started having dreams about and it was like I had to leave for like I had dreams that I would kill them. So that was I. Know It was time for me to go and take never thought he was violent like his father until he said he went to war and then he found that violence inside of him in war, which brings me back to the second episode when they were artem and he's vision in the room was him fighting To death beg you know like trying to get her to stop and in essentially having to kill this person who he seems to have care very deeply about at least from what the context of that what we saw in that room So, that's a light. Thinking about his childhood and then thinking about that scene in that room of his this being what must be his nightmare. You know this his nightmare in that room is based on hurting someone he loves Kelly now. and. It also puts to other people's nightmares in perspective to or their visions or whatever. 'cause I've seem to be bad visions I mean. Obviously. LETTY having take. Basically attempt to sexually assaulted with a snake penis. But when we when we learn what we learn about letty in this episode I'm looking back at that drained ally nightmare going, oh, these are the elements at play here, and of course, George being the secret father of take this whole time like. Shit is like more deep in hindsight than it was at the time. Anyway. So He Basically tells her that she says, look seeing of you scares me and he says, please don't be scared of me and he draws close and it's Kinda like. Is Not, really sexual, it's not like. I'm most motherly. Like like she holds him or Hey, he's sitting as she kinda hose it had like she's nurturing almost. But as with all violence, you know you see a man that you're sleeping wait beat the shit out of somebody wet. Yano. Nobody's. But it's only so that people are GonNa get you know so unfortunately. You know. The Caveman. Side just came out and you can see that both of that nibbles fully aroused. Yes they minutes medium him through this medium tank top her through the nineteen fifty style Bra come on their let's meet passionately. And suddenly he's no longer awareness medium shirt as they embrace. Any. Kind of lightly slams on the trunk of a car as they make out with her legs wrapped around him. And she sits him down on the couch. View his engorge near the reasons I'm sure and. A scene, the couch I can only describe as a west coast productions, booby talk casting couch circuits, and battery Brown and. Ever the modern woman. LETTY is she pauses already wear savage fancy lingerie. Yes. In in nineteen, fifty, two, I don't know. I don't know what sort of. What sort of Tom Machine she had. But like it was not the the lingerie of the of the of the day of the, we need to undo seventeen girdles and I'm a need some instructions on how to Hook this bra like her shit was was like we know takeaway away yes she has an Amazon steph before Before the, it was even a thing I don't know how she got the modern lingerie but. She does a freedom cheeks. And then they make sweet Red Lining Colored Section Negro. With how on top because of course, she comes from twenty twenty. Okay. Come on. She got the power. She was Ryan Dick Before Ryan. Dick was even cool. Okay and this is only like the second time she'd been fucking. She's really was why listened I'm jaw I've learned I've read the instructions I. Okay I wish. wikipedia. And I got the manual girl doesn't I mean my second time was just as you know just as awkward as my first hers She's like, I'm already knowing sighing on them so. and. What a lot of people don't know a lot of people say tune in the US for the historical side. Of The podcast like that, I'll use my book learning. To add context. With A lot of people know that the large size t shirt was not a vintage nineteen sixty. Tick is always wearing mediums medium. Was the largest you could go back in the day. Your nipples Clinton through it. That was all that. I was available to the black. Man. The White Man Lord Black Man this medium you stop right there. We are not giving you all that cotton boy. Even if you picked it we'll have no arms. Then we get. MONTROSS. Who goes to a hotel and of course, his paces beat the shed light 'cause that's the other day Montrose didn't even attempt to fight take-back now on take talked about leaving a how he like left when he left the for the. When he came back from the army got interviewed by reporters Father Confronted him about the shed. Sign up in the White Man's army, and then take basically. Guide in a fight with his father left. So that sounds like a fight. Yes, he Wants to holes in walls I. Honestly Believe Montrose knew he was wrong new of common. And Macho speaks violence because that's what he learned as a kid and that's what he gave his own son. He knew that he was going to beat up and never even like he just understood this was the punishment. And that's it. He took the fight like he just let them beat him up. So because he knows that tickets kind of in the prime. so He's like the. fucking with somebody that can bench press mccaw No. Thank you. Yeah. Maybe I mean I think Oh man strength is Israel though so you never Know Man I think trials would have fought them back. It would have been better than. I mean, obviously what happened to them I? Mean that was just a I. Don't think he had to fight in like he was he I think yeah. Like you said, he just knew he was wrong. And there was nothing he could stated justify it because I think if he felt like there was some form of justification I. think he'd fall back. I think the justification for him is that he's already told them. I'm saving on He feels justified and vindicated and writers in this choice. But I think it goes to something that I'm going to try to remember to bring up later about I think he also just felt bad that he did shit regardless of regardless of whether or not. He thinks he saved his family's life. He knows what he did was extremely wrong. So, Montrose goes to a hotel where semi answered the door. Also in this medium 'cause the white man would not let black men have larger than the time. and so he asked who beat you up this time phase or the or the color of the niggers or whatever which Kinda hits at the intersection of the hate crimes that black gay men experienced is back in that time, which is you know you people were beating them up whether it be and you catch it from either side, a racist person or another black person who go you? You know. As so they have. They also have sex. But this is not that that letty and. No it was not. This wasn't Abbas. Not Reading. This wasn't like sexy six Oh. Okay. This is why. Like fucking the demons out six. Okay. where it was just like I just got my ass by Ma son. And I just need to feel like I need feel starting again. This was Halle Berry Monster's ball six. He's what I'm saying. So completely different types of sex. It wasn't like and that's not because it's always gay sex no, no, no no. I watch posed. There's you know there's been set. That's sex between same sex people that. Definitely is more quarter quo. Romantic years. Wasn't that? Yes. I watch porn it was softer than this. was definitely like. You know make me feel something type sex. Okay. So now and they have intense sex to frank ocean. An. Machos just basically fucked oppression out of Sammy was. It was. I mean look if there's one thing Michael K Williams. Do HBO HE GONNA keep more bad likes gear man. Okay you go. It was one thing Omar. Montrose. gave me a comment. Okay. They got a tight. So then back to the basement food a photo studio the House. Take, is taken a post nap. Because lady played out on. The. Process and all the. Photos and stuff still work. I just need sleep well I feel like she did him like Aria did gained yes, she. Like. Yeah. I'm a virgin but I got some ideas. You know. Let me thought his dying. And then we cut back and Gingrich just like sleep as she was like well off the battle. I. was I gotta go process a Mo- pitches, but you take a nap baby you been stressed out. Okay. being your Daria took a lot out of you you need to lay down. So, apparently, he had been intensely studying the Were the pages from pictures trying to decipher them. Into some language he to stay. And he has a drain of the Bernie Mansion that he escaped in episode two and his ancestor being ahead of him, lead him out except this time he stops and he's wearing a suit this time not he's not no longer running around naked. And this time his assets that looks at them and goes what and then he looks down a he catches on fire. Yes she was actually mouthing. And he couldn't actually hear what she was saying. I'm eventually going to find out what she said, but you know she was saying something gamma and the way that they work with Ancestry. Magic and spells Shit I just feel like that's important. Somehow like that connection between him in their ancestor like you know maybe she got magical something I don't know but feel like that's GonNa come back. Home. So then when you started awake lead, he's like you know you okay A. WHO's I had had a Dream whatever she goes I was laying sleep because you feel tired I thought through that Mang. and. He's like, I'm just trying to decipher the cold, but I really know me and he goes over his way of trying to decipher. It uses initials which were inside the rain that. I can't remember name. Cake Christina. Christina breath y gave him. So he looks like these are my initials. We know the were protection in this language. So data like. Of the Twenty Six letters alphabet. To witch he. Says he's like if they basically using the same alphabet 'cause, I don't know. I if it's translated into English, right because it could be translated to another language. And he thinks it could be similar to Chinese Hieroglyph ix would you know maybe something that he learned in when you went to war on the I don't know. Because he seems to know some Chinese or some symbolism something and then leading says is would have been easier what y'all Hemas. Help. But my Charles. Had to let go. But that was good because she desire to be free and we wouldn't be better than titus if we kept our hair locked up in his house and that's when he realizes she has not put together way he put together. Which is my father killed. Nice. Tonight you like you like you like you ain't GonNa find her walk on the street dead there's no return like we we can't find a where's Waldo yeah g not here. No more. Of. The Ming I'm not saying Chinese is the same as Korean. We're we're fiscal podcast here. I'm saying he may have learned something about that in the war and they do seem like they're going to try to go back and look at that time here because he didn't say this Korean higher girl. So I'm like what he learned Chinese our liberty from to even be like I recognize this I mean. Don't seem like learned that in Color Library okay. Just my book data. So we'll see maybe I don't because we still don't know what he did in the war right Way He could have been doing. Like I wonder if he was doing something with that book knowledge because he's so smart. Like could have been a translator tight does he know other languages I know he speaks or not speaks he stands the language of Adam when he hears it so there's a lot going on with tick. We'll see we'll see but he did not say Korean hieroglyphics Chinese I don't know y'all. Let me know. Maybe. He was. Maybe he also was ignorant and thanks Korean is Chinese. But. But. Yeah. He says he burned the pages but he also got rid of for real permanently Hema and when letty realizes this she basically as like Like this honestly. Drowsy to like a breakdown point of almost be like, why are we even fucking with this year we should also destroyed in and he's like. But. It's just a tool. because. She's diagnosed egos making you know as she she was doing that good black acting journey someone who is you know? This will. He's like no is just a tool and we need to do it. We use it for the right thing protecting ourselves and destroy it. You See unless your dad is going through that for us not to fuck wit lie must be some shit behind this that we are unaware. Right so that is like her was like dish. It is evil the devil like she went back to old school like the Bible religion issues about the about the tested at the House and say in the name Jesus you got to get out my house. Right so She was like this is evil list gotta go eight goes now we use it to protect our family she she goes dad thing. He. Kills somebody. Like he burned to pay your father's being destructive because he thinks protecting somebody So then The, she seabass lose like this. Corrupting us by Blah backstage at a drag show in the dressing room. Everyone is getting ready and talking that shit show. and. Sammy's put makeup over. Montrose. His face and they're kind of joking about how much houses so quiet. Dating the quiet man you know and you can tell this nothing they do frequently. Like that like making them up and you know covering the scars and she. I frequently yet. Yes. He did say who was the of this time So like clearly they been physically assaulted almost as just part of the risk of life I guess yes. Then you can tell that mitroff has been around them like like like that was his ritual was to to be there can be made up and just kind of covered the scars and a May have been in the past at the he covers may have left but this time he just might have decided to stay like like we don't really know but you can tell that he wasn't new to the atmosphere of. The Queen's Yeah. He didn't look on. He didn't look uncomfortable being backstage that. He looks as if he's part of the community, even if he's not necessarily out but then at that time, not many people really had the privilege of being able to be out unless they were in the atmosphere like right exactly. Which is why the ballroom spaces and stuff became popular in the first place to underground ballrooms is because this is a one place you can be free and you know whether the drag queen. experienced. Whether it's just being trans where it's being openly gay and Levin somebody like you. There were no real spaces for you to do that because at the time. Being, gay was also illegal. Yes it was. It wasn't just a black thing though I think it was like you don't get to be gay whether whoever you are. This is legal. You know the days you up, you can go to jail for being gay period. As a lot of states had sodomy on their book just. Yes right just so they can lock you up, right so Back back. Say you know they're basically talking shit but one of the things that comes out like they call Montrose to quiet man as well. You know quiet mag tell you everything you tell you what they is and so mills to like it was that. Doesn't even like laughing or England into it at all like he was very require right reserved like maybe like just he wasn't out out and. Whatever gay was his mind? It wasn't necessarily okay to be an IT. Made me think about his The conversation you had with George George said, you should protect them more and why don't you come? Do Art now that stuff anymore he's talked about their father beating him for drawing the art and posters for the. Negro Baseball teams that came to town and made me think to myself. So what of his father was beaten tomatoes years for quote unquote being solved. Using what I'm saying because that sounds like the beatings he got. Worse and more targeted and George did not get as many and I wonder if his father thought, he could beat the gay out of. Yes. Is Not that uncommon some people still believe that bullshit yes. Night what you're doing drawing. Rhino because that's quote unquote because that's kids shit. That's not that's not. Scared in mean way but that's not quote unquote gay stuff to a lot of people like your son drawing like welcome to town. Jackie Robinson is not necessarily the fucking like God is this fucking kid but if there were other things in the house oh a he was like he goes off again. You know, and we know that George get. It is bad. I don't know man it's like. I'm starting at being a lot of the complexity were Montreal's and abuse stuff is going to be around sexuality. Yes and also it just made me understand ticks perspective of his parents you know of of Montreal's in his Momma because you know is one of those things where day probably did not get along because he may not even be sexually attracted to her or he may be bisexual I don't know you know. But in maybe one of things where. Who knows if his mother knew about this or not, and that might have been the problem you know like like like because you like a gay man with the woman and a child and the thing is you don't even know if this child is yours, you are the. I. Don't know I. Think he did. No, I'm I'm going with my theory brought up last week, which is I think he does no, it's not as one. I mean, it's obviously knows. George, brought it up before he died. He won't talk about you got mad at him for bringing it up. Basically, we don't talk about that. I wouldn't be I. Don't know for sure the backstory by I'm leaning towards George was in love with. A guy her name starts with A. Ably. But he was in love with her with with take mom. Door yes. Got Door pregnant and it's Kinda like less off to problems with one solution. You're gay you can't live our life anyway. So out of family obligation, you take care of. my basically my child and my and the woman I should've the woman I got pregnant and then you know George has other life now leaning towards that for sure. Obviously, it happened I read the book and that completely mason is like they had already was under the agreement like, hey so you can stop getting your ass be go hit a married woman. You know and. Claim the child is yours right and I'm sure George began at least from what we've seen so far somewhat of an honorable character maybe we'll see what circumstance could possibly happen. That they would agree to this. You know what I'm saying 'cause I know they got ran out of Tosa. It could be a lot of Shit I don't know. I'm not saying, I, have the figured out all the answers because that's what the fuck they supposed to do tell us the story but there are some threads that are making me lean towards like this was an obligation for Montrose, that he carried out but still ended up. Being. VIOLENT TOWARDS HIS Sunday clearly never we're going to tell take So just you know it's just going to be interesting, and then this is his way of protecting tick, which is the promise he made to George you know which is so interesting. Considering that you know this may not be the I promise. He's made to Jewish to debase and take care of. It anyway dull so they. You know they have a good old time back backstage in the dressing room by getting ready talking to us you. We to make up on over Montross phase they talk about him being quiet. They seem like the people in the room. Kinda and I'm not sure if if they're like saying, we know y'all fucking but we know y'all aren't together because publicly he has not claimed you or they're like literally they like we didn't even know we don't even know that the child like, fuck. Immunised. Shit. Is. The first one. Okay because they do bring up like were you know y'all we are going to make it official. You haven't even so much kids or whatever and I'm like Oh. This this feels more like gee has not claimed you. Publicly. He's not embraced like, yes. I'm gay yes. I'm with you Sammy talks about his theme for tonight it's going to be based off of the this news report that we see earlier in the story. For Ruby story we'll get to that. About Africa. He calls it locust migratory. Ah, the Maga migrating locusts or something and there's a foreword drag show ballroom and Sami walks around in full drag with a sash on second place which I noticed I 'cause I I I o Sammy wine. And it's GONNA be. Is GonNa. Be First Place. It was like Oh Sammy one a second. Okay. All right who missed the show right now let's go back like they have their own Pray tailback noon in. CHICAGO. Like did they had their own version? Not? I. Feel like a lot of culture we miss. Yes. In this episode, a lot of houses we miss sprite and then Sami walks over the Montreal sues kind of leaning up against a wall on some might. You know. The you know. The boys at school dance when you're in seventh grade and no one's asking anyone to dance because they're all shy you know and accept this is a room full of people who are you know out or within the lifestyle a he still feels like. You know and it's not just because he got his face is beaten up or something else like it felt like he does every week. Lay goes there and he stands and leans up against the poll and he just looks down at ground. Because this is space community, but also he's not fully comfortable being himself yet. But tonight is different and also dinner with the Sexuality Dental Tick dinner with all the the WHO knows what he's picked up a with Christina, neom. Is the form of San? Telling US sad story louder depression lot of anger Wa. He's the sad depressed man I mean we know he drinks to the point of fucking light talking to himself on a regular basis you know throw water on the wake him up light. You know and then I being why he sounded like this drinking has been a part of his life for two years. You know as to the violence like maybe depressed you know these kind of before people had all these words and Shit father's nobody was getting fucking therapy math for no color person of that stack late. Night. fucking WBZ boys and Shit. So at any rate. This does turn into this beautiful scene because almost like. He finally lets himself go and be free to a certain extent. Sammy takes his hand dance together. They need stars dance or other people in partying except the music is modern music against I was not like we see horns and old school. Bam. But that's not the music we hear Like the music is very much like a some is lonely world by Moses. Some knee. So it's very negotiate embiid. They literally lift him up in arms, the Queen's like Kerry, him across the party Dassler as glitter rings from the ceiling, and then when they let them down he so like kind of charged A. Market with acting he, he'll kiss Samya public for what I assume is the first time in that environment especially may obey period. Is, they don't even kiss when they had sex. Right? So I mean he cries late. is a very emotional scene. Now, this is what I thought at that scene. Now So of this is his community. How how does he feel about what he did the Hema? You don't I mean because that was an act of. Violence against somebody. Essentially. Would have a home in the community like there's people like that in the community he's in. You know what I mean that's that's how does he reckoned with what he did? Who knows and I think? My prediction is your day. So you know I think she she's she's going to reappear at some time and I think that That's why he was like I'm sorry because he knew what he was doing was so fucked up 'cause it's coming in this is beautiful moment of like freedom and liberation and is so well choreographing but then it to me as always as Albatross hanging above the bull we what you just did. You know what I mean. He took away someone's life you know so. I know it's very interesting conflict and I do hope they develop it and don't drop that threat I don't want to just be. In Diet and that was it. So I I'm with you. I I really do hope and think that for plot sake she's got to be alive or come back somehow because yeah because what? As a way of her going out to me is just so not good and as long as she's been around, I could see. Where you know her skin literally came back on her body. So acas? immortality. Yeah. Another thing for me to is that. Sami almost looks like Yakima dressed dressed in drag and stuff like so. It was a Latman and the virus a day spears as gay people at this time how calm and it was a day I mean no one even asked him about the fact he has a black eye nothing. So was just I man. God. So then letty is taking a bath reading the Bible A. Tragedy without a system take comes in to see. She's okay. She's like I've been trying to find a prayer say for your Hema and then she talks about her mom taking her and Ruby to charge with kids and that never made her true believer she just lied to play the part and they talk about trying to find some good in the world and take says, he feels responsible for bringing bad stuff in the lead he's life which is why he's trying to bring some good into it too. which I think. She's like, what are you? What does that mean? You know what are you? What do you mean? She goes last time I thought you were Gos-. We were going somewhere like a like as a relationship. Found out, you were trying to move to Florida. 'cause you know to basically when she was like, you know when I thought you know maybe that was going to be something there. You know that day I found out. You was GONNA kill Christina and impact your shit and just going to go to Florida and not even say goodbye to me. So like what the fuck is what are we okay is in everybody goes through that in relation period time. What are we? Yeah it was know so I know the rules right? Like not just going to be a plan me or whatever. So fast. Ladies? Shoes I love either I'm here ain't. Right. Very. Much A. been with me very much. Some. Very. Much energy. Okay. It was very much Jay. Love Shoulda brought. Home last night. and. That's when he tells her about. Jia. Who is the Korean woman that we saw I believe Korean who that we saw his vision in a room I believe is also the person he called on the phone in episode wine that told him you shouldn't have come home. Excuse me. And so He basically says that was a girl. he was with in Korea but it ended strangely a doesn't know because she's like will did you love her and goes I don't know. If it was low because I never had good examples I've grown up. Handing back to what you said about his parents Montross, and what will he could soon be as parents his parents. And he also says his parents love was unknowable. Which is a hell of a fucking weight and describe your parents love. Like you know and and they would make sense if. Father you know your father was gay and doing this out of obligation to you. But also violet towards you. You know I don't know if he was violent towards hers well or not. They haven't really said I don't think yeah and may have been something where all three had in. We're in cahoots like. You know Montrose Mom and Georgia's like a we're going to settle for this and they actually didn't like each other because she was like, Nick I don't love you and you don't me. So. Yeah. So we ended up. With. He didn't say in like my mom Aaron Ruby basically following the too easy by any mayor flash them attention this. Ally Okay you want and she was like it made me opposite once again, children's ought to be the opposite their parents she was like I don't want to be with any man unless it means something. Yeah. Don't waste my time. We know she was. Sexually, Virgin until. The third episode of this show and takes the first ministry ever even slept with an south which tells you that you know she felt admit something. and. He says this special and I'm not all confused at all confused about that anymore. and then. Later, back in the basement, he's decipher more pages. Yes. Some type of break other and before you go on I I think that Montrose played a role ned when they will talk in lady was huffing and puffing and going ahead because she was mad and. About Noah for women and stuff like that. I really think that that may take think like like like things like how what does this mean to main? How do I really feel about this woman? what is our connection and you could tell that there was fillings there. But when you have a an unknowing Adieu, don't know what the Hell of looks like. You. Don't know how to properly respond to you don't know how to. React to it because you don't really truly know what it is. It's also that thing to that I. think she saw. That ugly side of him and didn't. Completely reject them. So there's something there to you know like. She she saw who who like what he's capable of in. His greatest shame. To, starting stand and in a weird way that intimacy to now it can be used obviously for wrong shit. Those people who are abusive they do that. Yes. It's one of the reasons people get cycles of abusiveness is because while they're there so. They're showing me what they would never show anyone, but it's like, yeah. But the thing is showing you as violence in a and and trauma and shit does not you know like, but it is an intimacy to it. You know. And hopefully so far what they've done with these characters not something we're going to have in the show but yeah, it just it made me think about about that. You know. It anyway later on deciphering the pages down in the basement and he has an epiphany runs to the phone calls that long distance number again operator. Three please and he The phone answers. No one says anything he can tell someone picked it up says, how did you know and the Police Wasabi? You believe me now. He should have listened to me. What are you? He goes he goes what are you now now who I, who are you, what what are you initi- hangs up or the thing hang around and then the pages he deciphered at the bottom it says die die. And this is the same voice in the same phone number department told him. You shouldn't have gone home before he hung up on them. So why that's it for let taken and Montrose game and I think that that's the woman in Korea Jere Jere. Yes. So you think, Gee, is still alive Yeah I don't know I talked about. Like she died or something. I don't know what the fuck is that but yeah, it's I mean I but him say, what are you like now like it's taking place I'm controlling her she sometime creature. All these fucking. Out His magic on this if I was having. All right. So you can imagine, let's get the Ruby. Okay. This is the one. a white woman whole white woman wakes up in the bed. And it's the same white woman who had the dogs back in. artem. Oh Okay I was trying to play. Wow you asked the whole thing you didn't know that. No. Randall White woman. Yeah. The same. Reynolds with desma because she was cleaned up, you know. Dirty Nasty looking I. mean you know because nobody does but you know she she wouldn't know cleaned up slob was like okay. Then picked randall white woman white woman facial blindness as well. But you know how resurgent some of the shells of like when I have to look up characters and stuff you know it'll be like this character play this actress play these two characters or whatever but yeah they yeah. Yeah. It was the same white one cleaned up and now We just cell phone because racist version of. Our country and stuff was good. I was remember remember being like Dan. They really didn't do much that Caridad light. Does actors like very few. Sometimes, you eat up a role like latavius on. Latavius, on. Black lightning. Where you do so good. It's like, okay. What are Y'all GonNa? I know y'all notice there s producers directors. What are y'all GonNa do to get dismay back on the show yes. The hell out of that role, she ate that racism. This old fashioned drugs whatever you want blouse. You know she was the black bears are not. Very. SMART. Very stupid blacks you know but not stupid stupid like a dog. Stupid. Like eight, not nearly as smart as the white. Fuel polar bear they're racist. You know don't Black Bears Eating Watermelons Dancing AG IX. Why are you looking at me like that? Yogi. Dockets. So then The white woman wakes up and. Stretches stares at our hands as if they are new hands, she's never seen him before she stares she jumps out at like like like jumps up into bed. Stares down her body like what the fuck these white tip is doing. This out of bed. It has trouble standing as if they're like new legs. Like, we see a dearborn in the middle of the fires in his Katie Milwaukee. and. True retold win. I seen it. I kept saying in my mind I was like Ruby because then my mind I was like. He put a transfer or US William put a trans to spell her. I was like whatever it did. This is the end result what she looks in a mirror and her full naked white body and goes. Wake Up. Ruby. Slaps phase wake and that's when the title credit start it just like Oh what the fuck are we watch. Yeah I'll definitely GONNA. Fuck are white done the change the unto whole as okay. This motherfucker got the magic stick her real. Small fucking ahead. All the racism turned. Tell you know one white woman anytime you fog William you wake up you like I love Pumpkin Spice Latte. and honestly know nothing about it. Oh Do. Oh. Come on I of a sudden I WANNA get attain. Tom Brady my favorite quarterback. Alright. Later on the street we see the same white lady walk around looking disheveled Laos as she is in the colored part of town. So like she is not why a white lady look into sheldon laws and no white part of town no, she's wear the black. Czar. Because those will be the streets that are familiar ruby. Yes. She looks in shop door in a reflection of it and show on it comes out and says, Miss can help you and she goes. On teeth I'm lost. I need help and then she turns around and all the black people staring at her like what is this white woman doing? You don't belong here but like in a way Oh concern. Like how do we? How do we get you back where you belong because we don't want. Right, like partially you present dangerous, there's something happening you but it also like you need hell. And so a little a boy Caesar says man were you okay she bumps into because she's so frantic and of course as always. As soon as this little book boy how his movie popcorn bosses lady, the police violence show about an oil. And Of course like this little boy right but slim on the ground, beat them down like about the fuck this kid yeah. They was slammed him on a hood of the car like Ma'am is he molested like they didn't even go. Harassing bothering they went no right. Like man a little boy trying to sexual assault you in the Middle Street in front of everybody feels why as so but the thing is and it's such great acting on this actress. The way they played it she is ruby inside right Oh. She reacted how a black woman were react. She put her hand yes. She did I was like Oh that's that's definitely Ruby police showed up to two lions like, Oh, we are going to jail right? Right like she was clearly scared like she was own my God. About the fuck me up. Okay. Yes. So That Right. So she was like Like like like put my hands up. You know obviously please don't you and they're like. Miss my wasn't poor was ellipoid this monster trying to kill you some and. Look around on. She was like, no, he didn't and right before the was about to beat the shit out the case she goes Oh, he didn't hurt me I got lost. And believable. See it and the police begrudgingly the boy. Let's do st over grudgingly it wasn't a Oh we sorry about that. We didn't realize. Okay we would not. We they was like. Give out in front of this white woman I guess we'll beat your black ass tomorrow. Right now we have a missing white woman alert. and so she says, he didn't hurt me I got lost police let him go and then they put her in the back of the squad car and say they're taking her home. To which she's like looking at enabled you can't take me hit his well people live yet. This is Alice at. Home and they're like Ma'am your husband real worried about you and she's like her. Husband dead man did something to me An. They're like he said that you know you off you made something like you might have some problems and you need to come back to the house right away having takes right. So she started having these spasms in the back of the car and. He was talking about keep in mind she is a white woman. But they are not listening to her Why would they? She's still a woman, these two white men in the front and his cop car like a white man said, his wife is up now think about what the scenarios could have been. She could have been escaping an abusive situation at home and she's telling them like please don't bring me back to this man i. don't trust him. That's not my husband they was like, yeah. Yeah. Whatever bitch the white man are told us what happened what the truth is as is going back you own your maids and yeah, back home. We taking you back to your own. Yeah. Me Why I don't think Tandy. Williams Dick Bryner into aware care. Magazine every full moon she just. To the Moon Star Hal in Taylor swift songs. Miley Cyrus on. The The butterflies our way Oh no you start and I'm. Like. Not. Going to hey, hey, I got a woman. Is Happening. Is Like Hey I'm all on your wedding day. I. Got saying myself to a starbucks before. Wasn't, little limit wheat. Little limit I I had to go before it's too late. Isn't it? Ironic? So, there's you started spasm I want her eyes turns Brown we get a close up. freaky shot in. So it's like Oh is she starting to transform something and then they pull up William and she's so like the Spanish she's going through I've taken her so light out of it she can't even protest anymore. She really just need to get somewhere getting a House so William Por- pause. Comes out walks like Harry's up into the house. And then we walk in and this motherfucker got the house decked out like American psycho like. Right before a right before Christian Bale to kill people in that movie and he put like likes them Dexter Shit like plastic all over the the floor and Shit, and I'm like, yeah, he he ammo plastic than your grandma couch. Yes. It was the couch India plastic. Did like ain't nothing getting fucked up here so then he lays on grounds she's wriggling shit and he says stop fighting you only slowing down the process and then turns up the TV to the news to cover the he said another neighbors Donnie did is. What he murdered his weight and then she tries to crawl away. He grabs the polls back onto the plastic and now he's wearing gloves. Lie Shit about. What the Hell is about the happiness peace and got a nice. So he's basically Oh, Jay this. Something about the death. Soit she says, I don't want to die. And he goes he would say metamorphosis isn't death now I don't know who the he is in the he when he says he will say metamorphosis. May. We'll find out later. He was he would say I know you know it's not William who's the maybe maybe from book I don't. Titus maybe a her for. The father, his father so. He Elvis. Her a robe and stabs her in the stomach as she screams, and then it kind of goes into the disliked the foreground of US watching this news report. But in the background, we see like the he is like. Ripping like there's this ripping motion almost like ripping something out of her like. Those. Tobacco She's screaming in the background. The News report is like in Breaking News, a swarm of sixteen billion Kenyan locust are moving across north Africa fucking everything they move across the land with Great Britain in their crosshairs because they care when you start getting close to the white people. Shit. Sorry to say, locust nymphs hatch from eggs and they go through five molting stages were they will share this. Be Paying. Attention. were, they will shed their skin, develop their wings. After seven days, they can reach their full sexual material maturity as adult locust destined to devour everything in their paths. and. will be coming back to this moment. Because I. Think it's important. so About the folks, Shida why feel like is foreshadowing like are you foreshadowing what Ruby will become our foreshadowing? What William already is? So we'll get into that. They we come back rubies laying on the bed. is closed like she sleep and William Walks anywhere in only a towel starts getting dressed in this. Dope, ASS Burgundy suit and. Goes on a a a rich white man monologue. Butterfly lives for life before dies in the Caterpillar emerges from the same sales, the essence of the butterfly yet different. Is More. I wanted to apply this process on offices to human but my research is off theoretical. It was laughed at by the academic community. Until. By chance I met a disgrace professor in here Epstein. Who is the former owner to house the one our scientists experimenting on Black People. Who was kicked out of a? University for experiment now humans. He wanted nothing more than that. Understand the universe but it was beyond his reach. so He created doorways not scientific but magical though one could argue they're wanting the same to which point he. Sits down on the bed next to ruby goes I know you're wake ruby everybody starts abortion is like, are you right among? The thing is is, is funny because I was like Oh ruby has no the WHO the hell we miss talking about. But we know as. We not letting knows, and it's going to be interesting when Ruby finds out what how what led. He knows what you know. Like that. Yeah. This is all for the show. For us at home the viewers. But for Ruby, you're right. This means next to nothing. I mean nothing to her. Yeah like that's the thing I would say like sometimes, I, love this show by the way. Might? Is To me I just love it. But. Sometimes, the show does step outside and become a show show and to me this is like a exposition is listening audience. You need some help put needs to piece together. In case you're not getting spell it out for. The you know William is involved in this thing to in this. This. Fight for the pages of Adam and artist type shows so. It anyway. He's down on the bed and goes. Away. He looks in a mirror, speak some of the language of Adam, and then he sits on the bed and we see butterflies form out of nothing start flying around the room. And he's I Ruby I know you awake and CCC wakes up see well, she starts faking sleep looks up to see the butterflies flying around the room. By the way Bega sleep the shit. because. This maintenance secretly tire me to a white woman and now back to myself, I'm honestly just trying to sleep until you lead sneaked fuck out i. think that was playing. She was like every every time my parents like you know what you did today, you're going to get a woman now hang on do it right now and I'm like I'm fake being sleep. Okay. We just see if I can get through this one by just pretending to be sleet SC for me I was terrible I pretend and then I actually go to sleep. Yeah I mean that's what will happen normally but you know what else normally stopped me from getting a weapon. Parents don't like whooping sleeping children, I mean you're gonNA, be back up I. Didn't have got to deal with Joe as being woke again because I thought the door was sleeping but now I'm grown I'm like they probably WanNa whoop somebody and then you gotta deal with two hours of this Nigga calmed down again I could then got the energy back. No thank you sleep. You know what he went to bed at four thirty in afternoon already one this. I want. I should. I. Got the rest of the day. My God Damn Self. To before star trek the next generation came on I'm GonNa just take the win. Yes. Mood us on I'm going to take the victory. Otis Nikki Miss. Dinner. We'll talk about this shit in the morning So yeah, he. See ebays says wake up as she goes magic. Israel. And he's like, yeah, and then she was like, did you did I die? So you could tire me into that white woman and he's like, no, the potion just mimics metamorphosis it wears off after a time. and. He. Was Oh. That's what she magic is really does scare you. Scares the shit out of me to wake up white then when I was stumbling down the street crazy into Chevron screaming at everyone around me they weren't scared of meat. They were scared for me. They are treated me like he's like a human being. Message. I know the transformation was painful but that's the point I wanted to go back to her going on the street. Those people were concerned for her now sure. They were concerned for their safety because this white woman in their proximity at that time white woman is it's today can be weaponized the same they know we watch happened with. Christine. Cooper. You know many of these other white women calling the police on people agreed so. You know in that moment. Sure, they will concern for their own safety, but there's also an innate care and concern about another human being something that we have is marginalized people that why people don't always have right like you know that would have been claimed country and some white black walking down the street disheveled. There would be a level of nigger. You don't belong get the fuck out but not a Ma'am you seem to be hurt how can I help you? Yes that's not a thing that was often happened then and sometimes today come out and not a thing that happened. So you know like you can hope you run across a good white person, but there's just as much change you run across of Shit, probably a better chance in a of areas and definitely nineteen, fifty two that you run across the wrong white person. At anyway. He Williams says I know the transformation was painful. She says that wasn't paying that was something else like being unmade and he says, I, promise it'll be easier next time she's like it won't be a next time and that's when I go leave I got some business care. You know solid in Lewd a supreme clientele. He got some hoes to go I need to go look at I. got some business take. Could you been fucking with? Ace. and. Then on the counter, he leaves a stack of money. And another dose of that potion on a golden trae. Man Ruby gives us stuff like she going to leave. Then she stops. Stares back that train. And guess which I'll. The next. The next thing we see a montage of ruby out in public as a white woman being the whitest of the white and I love the way. It was overlaid to a narration of. Into Zaki Shong a poem Exit from for colored girls who considers suicide when the rainbow is enough as though is beautiful spoken word. But at the same time. And is talking about like the pains of being a black woman and the beauty of being a black woman why won't people? Celebrate black women shape but at the same time is ruby as the living a white woman life. Yes and the thing is a what was so beautiful about this. Is because we know it was ruby her actions was still black even though she with white woman like she walk it and a police officer was directing traffic she stopping and she likes you know. 'cause. Why people have a tendency to when you when you walking to walk into you like you're not even there and so she was moving around moving out of people wage walking like she was white like like she owned shit you know and sounds like, oh, she may be white, but she is literally still moving like a black person. Yeah I mean it's almost the same as what happened at first. The wife, and in that first thing with the cost put she raised both hands is not as pronounced as that. But the thing I noticed her white her day of freedom in this poem is talking about celebrating Black Women, this woman s and stuff her freedom. was just. Regular white people just regular shit wasn't white people shit. Like I said, we take for granted today. Like she goes to the park she goes and get some ice cream which is given to her for free which really hearkens back to that Gordon Parks. Ice Cream. Omar's that they had an episode. They showed the colored ice cream section. She was going through the front. Yes and then gave it to her She had spent any money. This she sits down on a park bench and she reads the newspaper my i Mary poppins was going show up but if was everywhere right, it was honestly when I tell you I live a white woman of color life the only thing missing was earth. Okay. Come on. Disney channel commercial right and so then a in the park, she read the newspapers at I noticed one of the the ad she was looking at the muzzle movie kyle confidence girl which the nineteen, fifty, two movie about a woman who was basically a con artist and in. Her and her boyfriend trying to kind of people led to her downfall. But yeah, it's just you know it was but it was like, oh, because she's kind of a con artist right now no one knows this con-. Movie. Is Not this white woman And so then. Rubio's back to the match, and she's lacking in the tub singing between the devil and the Deep Blue Sea, which is a song about. Two impossible choices like you pay between the devil which you know the devil always has some type of. If relations. Of Evil Plan, you're GONNA have to give some up or the deep blue sea, which is hopefully hopeless an infinite and struggle that will. Eventually succumb to so wishy choose. And when she's singing a song, you see Williams stand out from the doorway. She's in the tub she basically just goes. All right cut this shit. What do you want? He didn't do this for nothing I, know I. Especially, you could have picked any girl on side of town. They're not just me. So what do you want from me and he said she's She's. Why me he goes. Why not. and. He comes over to the stars washing her back and he says lay is on her was the first time he felt magic where there was nine. which. Is Move On. but it always feel like you know William is is is full of shit to a certain extent from me. I don't know how you feel the need seems. Like it's move talk. Yeah. Don't feel it feels like seduction night. Yes. Not like romance but you know so he says, vitually he will need a favor for a woman friend and does that bother you and she's I depends on what the is. Small favor isn't significant really and any hose a towel for to get out of the Bath and until then he tells her, you can do whatever you please come and go as you want whatever skiing you like. So I guess she's out of the Boarding House. he asked why didn't she used of the money understand though because he came back, the potion was gone but the money was still there and she says, she enjoyed her entire day using the only currency she needed whiteness come on. Yeah, right. She was trying to tell Ya something back there. Okay whites. Enjoying this show. Okay. We we aren't shit. We know. Well. Yes. It's like I'm just GONNA use the only currency de matters in America. Okay. Whiteness is is what matters okay. which you can't really blame them with the right quite man we can do anything. Okay. In this case white woman. So. Then we get. give Mike my notes here. All right. So then At the saying you can do whatever you want She also says, I don't know what's more difficult being colored or being a woman most days I'm happy to be both but the world he's interrupting and I'm sick of being interrupted. And he says, so what's next? Ruby, uninterrupted. Now this was kind of like a Penny Milton Line but not in a sexual way, but in a like empowering way like I'm offering you something. That would dissuade. So. Then money by Cardi B. Plays. Now. I'm telling you I'm getting more and more used to out to the current music in like is growing even more like if I kinda like talking to myself. Okay. But but like the scene now like sometimes. That's perfect. Then person. Money in this seen walking into Marshall fields as a white woman that was it. That's almost perfect for this away they show all this this this consumer goods that she probably would never have access to as a black person and I was born flex diamonds ALMANAC I. Even as a black woman. Ruby. Finding, things in lying. He liked to be fans say and that's the thing even as a black woman she shit so and well put together and all this stuff and all these things like and she walked out WanNa say any but she wow like. I own even the black woman. She walked like Oh we don't get to that because you know what you know what? Lipstick opinion net because they'll come back to this. Because she does carry herself a certain way. Some even call her. Buji okay. But yes. So as a white woman though she goes up to Paul, Hughes Office, what was a door and he's like come on in gap Davenport. She's chosen a name. Hillary, Davenport. You know maybe for Hillary. Clinton I. Don't know. and he's basically looks at a resume and goes seven typing classes. Eight account class got down. You overqualified you should be getting my job her 'cause why people think that's always funny and it wouldn't surprise me if that was to resume with she changed the name come on care you see it. Okay we say. And then he says, but tell me what's not on the resume who was Hillary Davenport. And she. Seemed to have a prepared story. But the counter prepares story have win. Yet. You haven't truly thought you get this far. You know what I mean, right? Coming out and it was like, oh Wait a minute I need them and it was almost like I should have rewrote. This is the modified story just a little bit. She tried to answer it like it was a movie monologue. She's like who is Hillary Davenport? Well, I'm glad you asked. Hillary Davenport is imported. Good. White woman of ill of all sorts of modern renown. He's like, yeah but like where you from Kinda, she and she's like, oh. Yes. I'm a small town in Maine and he's like which one? From. Maine. Is Too small you wouldn't even know. ME. Anyway my mother mood. CHICAGO. With my sister and she would take me and let it I. Mean Me and my sister. because a white one whenever say us this is name. Me and my sister we go. You know from heartbreak heartbreak any she take the department stores and all the people with greeter as she would feel held again and I got what would it be like to be on Saturday counter? And I thought to myself she didn't ask a question. and. I. Honestly, at this point I said, she didn't make a plan. She thought she rely on Whiteness. And vagueness and just get the job anyway Nash going GonNa get busted and guess what Y'all? 'cause whiteness that good wine is real good. I told you say, hell of a Journal, grace? Looking at your resume, his your social security number one one one. One. One. One one, one one. That's correct. Okay Tex after me. Yet fucking hired. You start. You know I'm all. So he's like a good enough for me. But that's not really why I was asking you who you are I really WanNa know. Stopping. Right. High. Feel about working with colleagues. That was the real question. to be honest and he's like because we lost a lot of employees when we had a black woman. Tamra from last episode. And she's like well, if she's qualified and hard work and I don't see the problem with offering her opportunities that US white folks take advantage of. And it may remind me so much of that S. and L.'s get Eddie Murphy. where he was a white man in white was in white man makeup and he wouldn't get a loan from the bank. It's this whole thing just felt like this like. You Know Us, White Folks Wink Wink. You Know How do right we love our mayonnaise on both sides of the bread. Thing do we do that? So, cheese right with we like. We love cheese as US whites often say. zippy D do. And so then. He's like well everything you know I company. A. Started in in our whites only policy and this happened she star specimen again, which we know means transformation is coming on. and. This is when I realized that the transformation is really symbolism for. lactose intolerance which many of us blacks deal with okay. you gotTa have to use the restroom. Politics situation it can be. now. He's like. You know she was she flexes off the spasms. He thinks he's going like what is no longer why it's only and he has an impulse to calm her it is not a Oh, well, then bitch get the fuck out you can't work. He's like. No? No No. No. They're not race crusaders anything sal about that Almighty dollar. Okay. Don't don't get it twisted. We don't actually soon as people we just want the money. He goes well, you know what got them. You got yourself a deal assistant manager. And? Number one she wasn't a woman she could beat a manager. That's what they told me. Because she had more you laugh if be learning from you that Shit. But then the other thing is she had applied. With this resume to this job before as a black woman. Had Not. Gotten it. and. She didn't apply on a whim like timid. So they like. They did not select her qualified black is. But as a white woman overqualified. Boy. That's you was. She was dion He was doing a day. Yeah. Yes. She was straggling. Okay. It was getting. It was getting real in. Up in Marshall Fields So he was like limited, let me take you on a tour. And she was like. Okay but I need to go to girl and he's like all right then and He looked in the seat and was like wait you dropped your. Potion. Eight thousand perfume. Perfume. And she grinds to the elevator convulsing the whole way. Honestly, this shit was like some comedy share it was like. The nutty professor. When he started when Eddie Murphy's started transferring yes. Like he like, Oh, goodness like she was nutty professor Kuna, all the way back to the. Elevator she got on just in time and she slammed us against a wall and the whole time the way they did special effects she bursting through the white skin. So and it's bloody underneath there. Now I, realize that I'll ask. The separation of skin was like what? been. So they went for the very free special effects. I have to say this is definitely a moment where you go this fucking TV show because all her transformations that were kind of comical and. You know like, Oh, my goodness. What what? What does she do? Now? They were all like. MA'AM, you turn back into a black woman in broad daylight and walked home covered in blood and Viscera. Several times during this episode is no fucking way. Like you know nine, nine, hundred, two, nine, one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, twenty, they gonNa stop your ass and be like man who did you kill? Li-. Where at a body search whereas the white woman you exploded through lease? Yes we need her but yeah. So but. It's a harsh Oh dot ally kind of skip over there. It's not very important, but I thought it was funny So then yes, she does get the job. But like I say they never take the tour she's leased which I assume she left and just didn't come back with another thing I'll say God down white people got a good. He's actually just come back. I guess you had to go just do. So then in the morning she's dressed to impress at the top of the escalator and stairs power comes up there Mr Hughes manager and kisses her hand and says. You know a good luck. Basically, I'm not the Apollo. Apollo but good luck today, first aid job, and then she goes downstairs because some customers are complaining that they haven't been helped in time like I've been waiting twenty minutes and where is that woman and apparently Tamra the black woman was supposed to be at the perfume counter and she wasn't there. and. So she's kind of pissed issue like why would you? We can't make money if you don't greet the customers where were you and basically the White Women Co have put Tamra to work doing their jobs like put away shoes for me do this do that and so she was now doing her job and their job right meanwhile, they were complaining about black as even having a job but yes, she basically. Covering for them couldn't do what she was supposed to do and to be honest Hillary. Didn't have very much sympathy for the shit. Basically, like yeah. well look I'm not trying she's out now trying to you're not any trouble don't you know don't get to apply breath. And I remember that you told me you. You got this job on a whim after all and Tamraz I never told you that she must've heard from Palmas told me whatever as US like well I. Hope you still feel still in the part of the Marshall Field's family and that no matter what they can't take your educational team this away from you. Okay Baker. And timber goes what educational team is seventh grade education. She couldn't take the comments like no man I'm dumb as AOL I don't know how I got this job. which we know there's anger there because of course. As a black woman she Ruby overqualified never got two jobs. Here's Tamra who is under a her opinion underqualified or at least less qualify as somehow got the job and so she's Matt Yup about this shit she's his ruby right even though she's Hillary right and so she says Well, what will you must've taken accounting classes down at the Frederick Douglass School for team and she was like, nope, never heard of that. You could take classes. That's crazy. Like. Right. Like how the fuck you get this job You know. I hear you. I is pointing to me too and I mean, it's strange. It's strange to me too. That's how Tamra was like. Hey. So then She gets mad that she's like takes the lotion off of the counter slams it down and goes your hands are achy and walks off. As a black person. She would notice shit like that. I'm like God Damn Ruby doesn't turn into a whole caring yes did. Ours. So yes, she says, your hands are be ashy. And storms off now this is what? Well, actually one more more more scene, and then we'll get to my point about. Ruby. In the back, all the white salesgirls are taking a break. Chilling and trying on dresses shoes. They data type people that comes in for full eight hours, and you may get us move to at Adam. Meanwhile, you know Tamra they're doing all the jobs and hers again fussed at so. There for how are we work? They should give out stuff for free. And Hillary the man who's assistant manager and overall these women goes. Hey. It's been thirty minutes you get back to work and they like all you can try not being a bitch and put on some shoes like the. Oh You're stuck up stick in the mud night she like, oh, they've was. So she's kind of. Flattered in peer pressured into doing. As she puts awesome Naughty Stellato and goof off and he was a mean Kenny. White women a mean girls like one of them was kind of fat and she was like, what do you think about this and they're like Marilyn Monroe? I, think you're stopped stuffing your face where bon-bons yet might be able to close that coat. And they're like, oh you can. All these women hate each other. Yes. But Boban Odd fucking delicious Alan Dan White Women. So. So then. She asked if. Like when they're putting on the hills. Hillary slash, Ruby asked other White Women Hey, does Paul have gotten freshman any Now the reason is comes up one after interview was over he hugged her and then also that morning he kissed her on her hand to start the day. So she's thinking like this Nigga Florida me is he going to try some towards she? And they laugh at the mere suggestion like Paul he comes out of a Rockford painting with two kids and his Wi- like. Being doing nothing. and. Then they start dancing to the white version of two different. and. Of course, they were terribly except for. Hillary who really Ruby and she danced on, she put on the show. The in hills in the hills even did it last year? Ruby would do see love it like that. She even day like step at the end like which. It'd be like a why blue Blah booming like there was an they was given the whitest compliments. Yes. They were with the rhythm knows she's ready for the college version own. Use me how moving on a was in threes a star girl you're ready for Memphis soul comedy hour we need to. Get you on the show that they need to go ahead and get you ready for the MISRA, augur? For. Episode of Soul Train. Them Tuesday did. And then they shift to talking about that favorite pastimes for bonding as white women, which is. Hating onto blacks. And so they were like you know. What I'll tell you what I don't need no more black employees. You See. A hangar. and. Doing, jobs, Hillary. Slash Ruby says. Well if they do hire some more black people I, just hope they qualified. And the white one was like. Of course, they not qualified they need rose. They black what do you expect? It Hillary, that's an all out of her dance. She had back to them and you could see her as you still ruby inside ages went to like blank anger like the folk you do. But she can't say anything he'll break her thing and part of what the day she's been playing as a white woman is not being too concerned with black people in black causes you can't be a race war can't be like y'all lay off camera in computer beginning to be suspicious of you right so she's still played kinda safe and fit in by being aloof. Towards even when he disagreed, which reminded me very much of the fact that fifty three percent white women voted for Donald Trump which is people always say that number like is this really big damning number and I do think it is a fucking number about don't get me wrong. But what I think about is forty something percent white women do not fuck Donald Trump. And they are much they are so quiet. Yes they are. Now they may not be as quiet now but in twenty, they had a private facebook group called Su pairs nature, which means they wanted to support this woman but not to pay those social penalty of supporting this woman and so the same thing goes back to this not every white woman is on fucking died in the war I hate the niggers racist person. There's a lot of white people that notion is wrong. No, she is fucked up they made it ought to like you know. Slave abolition or whatever the fuck like they not ready to die for what they are like them like. People I Damn Yeah Kane Jolly all like why are we talking about racism all the time and that's what it reminded me of his at Ruby became that type of white woman to fit in where she was. She never said anything toward fuck towards black people necessarily. But she's still never stood up for any of the black people other than tepidly right So. Obviously she didn't like Tamra. No. No, and also to go back to win Tamra had told her about her education and things like that. And we responded really was responding as a black woman even though she was white because Ruby has the black woman looked down at women. Like. Like. No No. That was that was really Ruby Ruby has respectability and now obviously this is nine hundred fifty to me I hear respectability and because it's twenty twenty Beninese online circles. Yeah. You know you think it's a mark on someone's character because I brought this up on twitter and of course, most people understood exactly what I meant but Koby was like well, isn't that that she probably was like this woman on the got hired because she's more prettier to me and I was I. I don't think. So rubies a very pretty person and nothing about this show so far has seen to center around like well, people don't find her tracks right now if they want to put those beats in the narrative or they wanNA play it out but this shows not a very subtle show. So I feel like if that was the issue. The issue. Yes. If they were like people don't find Ruby attractive that will become a thing if they want to say it's because lead he's light skinned and rubies I think they would just say. This is the show where they would skirt around that and be like well, they'll pick it up by episode. No this show pretty much tells you straight up on like message. This is racism message. This is that right So I really do think and now let's talk about what they have within the show. I think ruby is. You know one of those boozy Kinda looked down other black people at the party when they were playing cards before the cross burning, she said to the other people if more I'm going to get his job and Marshall Field's and if more black people thought like me. The. They will be a credit to the race like we will be better off as a people which is implying most black people or not enough black people think like Ruby, which is they'll get a job. It's not like she's some old like Revolutionary Shit like it will just go get a job which implies units don't want jobs reineck don't want to work hard. You don't want to be educated. You know that type of thing. Yeah and she even down on her sister because she was concerned us. They didn't have the right type of job. You wouldn't do the right type of thing you know because it's not like he was probably some form of activist or something like that, and so turns this does she like that ain't no real job you not trying that's why you gotTa always call me and ask me for money issue because you ain't got no real job, right? Yeah. There's yeah. There's a lot going on her and her sister but that's the thing that made me think about specifically like. Oh. Wait. There's Ruby. Yes kinda. been a Hottie Taty. The rest of you niggers type of black person and it was coming out even when. She. She seemed to be more upset that that type of black person was able to get that type of job. Correct. You know what I mean like why not why it should've been me and then when she found out that white people do not care. No, they don't. They don't see qualifications they see skin color your disqualified for your skin color. So all this like you know this hierarchy she had in her brain. Didn't really matter to these white people. Now dim stopper from immediately like Kinda resenting Tamra but I think it put a lot of stuff in a perspective that Oh no, the hurdle is even bigger than you think. Like whiteness is not a skin color it is a mentality yesterday, and if you do not carry out that mentality if you do not exist in mentality, then you get ostracized or lease. Alienated from the Whiteness that people participated and I think Ruby was definitely. Fill. In that pressure from the other white people like I have a decision to make I basically a com mentally or played a part of these people that I hate like I'm not going to be able to escape biologist. I'm a white woman. I'm apolitical I think everyone should have a chance and that no no, and I'm also not going to be Ruby, which is why I don't like Tamra because she's not qualified not because he's black that's not going to be like she's black. She's fucking Secretary Stacy's leg. She shouldn't have a job meanwhile, she's doing odd jobs for us, right? Also I thought it was funny to, and this is another thing. We work so hard while they backstage just goofing the fuck off. Thirty minutes, they should give us you for free entitlement. What talked about with Jessica. And rates those out. I'm like day get shit. They get shit done when they pretend to be black yes. They do. You know because when neighbor tend to be black like they still have the ambitions of Whiteness? Yes. None Whiteness were they still have that greed they still want it all you know meanwhile, rubies honest moved that potion was supposed to be your access to power and a world she didn't dream. Xi could only dream up and she went and did God. Damn John got a got some ice cream and Aja right? fucking. Why full of money issues like bitch I just WanNa work read a newspaper all she wanted to be was left alone to achieve her. Piece. Now, she didn't want to become the own department store. I WANNA, be a regular like a regular white woman. I. See on the St. Louis. unbothered because. I didn't want to blend in people come over here on outside they lie I won't take it. All right. The fuck is So yeah. then. When a? Oh they ask her basically like Oh you know we should do speaking of niggers. Let ask camera to take a set of south side and they're all like ooh. It's so scary. Will people that was blacks. Down there and Hillary you know once again breaking characters ruby goes. Yeah. The South is nunnery scared. This is just basically she knows that she's lived black people living is not. Nothing nothing exotic about it. Yeah. Lie and there like you. Own, you brave girl girl was like and. What was it like in the jungle was like going to work you know? So. They're like we have to get Tamra to take and says, you don't want to talk to camera maybe you can convince it to us, and so they go outside after work Tamra no one really talks Tamra who's kind of ahead of everybody. The only black person there and Hillary does kind of look. And it makes me think like, Damn that's the two black people at work and it reminds me of how we a lot of black people feel about having a black manager in corporate America where you like Disney Guajardo meaning people right? Because she really has singled her out and she didn't single out. Any knows white women those more there goofing the fuck office she just joined were now. She knew was being overworked and they would've just been hurt. It would've switched as she got the job. She felt she quote unquote deserve. They would've been thinking she was the nigger they would have been thinking you better. Get back here and put my shoes up. It was not the dream she thought it was going to be. But waiting outside other department store is William in a baby blue. Nice. Car Shades on. They look like a one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, two, min this you look at like a snack. Okay. Looking like a of old looking like a little debbie is over the habit then. You Lags Knack. As though he was like. All the ladies that work there was I who is that? He's like Oh hey, honey a does. That you know people do they look down shades pulling back up and? She, he goes to Kiss Hillary who turns her mouth of weight and gets kissed on the cheek instead of the mouth. He notices in the ladies. Of course. All soon. You know just you can hear blues in Alleyway am in she's like you shouldn't a came here and he was like well I don't like I embarrassed. Because it does look like everybody was impressed. She was little. And then he asked about like how I day dream job and I thought Dan there's only day one. Like I feel like we. We had a the first day when she woke up and couldn't get a legs under then we had day. Was She. went out and had the perfect ice cream day three of the white woman assistant manager not bad not. Come Up. Okay. It's like that game they play. blitzen chips and they rick and Morty well you. You could deliver. She well, you kind of wasted your thirties and forties, right? So So, she how? She. So then basically, William, have a little bit of a discussion where he's lying. Well look, It's time for you to me that that favor. They'll take no more potion and he noticed that you didn't like you didn't want me to kiss you hillary. Why not as like did you WanNa kiss me as angles I want whatever you want. Wish to me was like. This is not to be trusted. That's another foolish it answers. Oh, and Wallace Oman and not to get off topic but I wanted to go back to win. She dropped potions. and. Potion and that do founded I. think that's GonNa come back up at some period time. I. Don't think she dropped out for no reason like somebody's GonNa. Find It. Somebody's going to be was this somebody's GonNa take it like something's going to happen because she didn't even ask you dropped it. Yeah be mad because I definitely don't like todd we like we see he gets it but then we never see her get it. You know. But my thing is if he thinks is a Perfume Yeah. He might think is a perfect I. Wonder. He'll even put those two together. You know what I'm saying or someone puts together. You know the potion and not a few because we'll get to it at the end. Obviously. Detail some some having that gives you a chance to be like. To our you know but well, yeah I mean you're absolutely right. You never get the scene of her getting that back. So we know is out there. So then. He says I don't drink potion debt. I'm Anita favor tonight also does a box in the back seat which name all over it and she was at the box and it's a May uniform as she is pissed yes and I had to get a white lady props because the actress. She channeled Ruby didn't you? Oh Gee like she. Channel Ruth and look like the. Right, like no, you didn't because that's a other thing we asked how she enjoyed her first day. She said was better to be some damn charwoman. Charwoman is a woman that cooks and cleans and do made. Okay. So this outfit win the open it up was a fucking made outfit. Social Attics explains the phase year she was immediately like man what the fuck this is. This is this is the help. You need for me because rubens whole thing is, what's the cash? The cash was to catch so then We see Ruby working party in a as a waitress and and the thing is the thing that may be laughed hold time. Nobody Pay Ruby fucking attention because she had the Stink as face and they was like sure you want are not just pick. y'All know watching woman face. She looked like she would lily take take wants to picks established under because nobody's paying no attention. No, they could not be less interested in whatever was going. He was walking around like she would just like slammed the transit agreement. They. Could not. They will just look like ma'am. If you know mother motherfucking cocktail Weenie and get the push, didn't keep moving ain't nobody talking to Ya ass. Because basically use invisible to them and honestly at that point, if a white man did notice you as a black, it probably wasn't going to be a good thing come on but yeah. So She was passed. She's giving out stuff captain Lancaster's there because this party is at the loud that Christina to last week, he told her to get out. So she goes into the kitchen Christina's outback knocks on the window and she's like everybody's got an attitude to like. You're supposed to be here at our ago and like I've been doing this bullish nothing. Christina's like William does like a demanding woman. She says well, look here's this rock it's like a talisman I on it. She's like put us into the police captain's office okay and I might be wrong but I liked the same I'd take seen on that paper Yes. Yes it does as ruby declines. But Christina? says. Listen. Do you care about William at all because you know ruby declines like Nigga the police captain I'm not fucking police like I'm. Asking I will go to jail and she's like a Christina's like no Ruby William. Done wrong. He was shot in the back down in the river left dad nursed him back to health. And this and believe he murdered William and stole his birthright to this lodge. He's the right for air to it and. Will you help him get his revenge? And it is that motivation that does it for Ruby. The revenge motives which I think is important here and she goes like okay and then she takes it sneaks into the office puts the Talisman in a desk drawer of the captain and I wonder if there's a power because. Says I like you're going to be able to see what's going on in his officers trump and yep and baby possibly year I you know mopped I might be wrong prediction you know like those. You remember how they could look in naked the. Lady, in Teague George is I think going to be something to that nature wish going to be able to even though I'm not here I can still see what's happening in the atmosphere, right? So or be able to fuck with 'em too right. So then While she's in there, she hears the moaning from the closet. That the same owner Christina heard as she goes to look into the closet and opens it and as a man bleed, not his mouth who clearly like is very gross sight easy Mustang because she covers her mouth immediately. And then he? Like he's got cuts and. Being tortured or something, and I'm like Oh shit right. This is not good. Okay. It looks like Montreal's isn't the only one living in the closet. Frankenstein stitches. Yeah. He was fucked up. Like whatever they've been doing to him, they've been doing for a while. So. Then the captain comes in, he's got his underlings with. And he's pissed as like dancing like a monkey for ring. And I'm thinking he must want one. Those rings Tick Guy Good. Christina. was I i. don't remember you ever being initiated right and he's trying to impress these old people in coke or whatever to get them to you know glad the game moved into. And get some power I guess and he's like Oh. Give me a shirt from the closet and he's also like a fucking pig in and something was up with his skin is what I was gonna say what was it? Can I do not I do not know I, don't know I have a theory I think he got black skin. Like a black body or something. Like a Negro because there was this big black like. Frankenstein on the him like it was. Or something and I wonder if that scientists here, Epstein Abe that he knows or knew who did experiments like if that was one of the experiments like maybe he got injured or something or whatever, and they use a black body to heal like the patron or some shit yeah because it didn't make any sense. And I was like some crawling on his game and why does his skin wasn't by the way it wasn't crawling just I just WanNa be clear I watched it twice. Oh no problem for me. I'm from what I seen I was like this wrong skiing. Wrong but the thing is he took his shirt off in front of other dues didn't even be like Oh God you got black body under there. They seem to be fine with it. Yeah. It is what it is. What get out is going on with that man's chest I don't know but then. They talk also about. Like just handed that business in Kentucky and they're like, yeah, we convinced for local police that the winthrop observatory needed to be protected from local vandals and it's like good job in a Mike said as a winthrop observatory. Now, winthrop is what they call it house to winthrop house winthrop was also a person that was a neck the sons Adam or whatever they call it the order of Adam and We know that. He has pages to. So he says. That bleeding Christina wants to orrery. We'll let her bring it right to us because we know what she's looking for, and then the closet Miami wild getting, louder. And an Emmy and makes one of the people ask about an aid. So the Donnay had. Dropped Dahmer Location, Lucy stole, and they're like, but we working on it. We're getting there and. she's covering his mouth so he can't get loud as a couple little scares or whatever. You know it's one of the things. I was like. Is this man? Did he die eight? Brought him back to live lie you know today do experiments on him I don't know as weird because I if I thought they were torturing him for the location of something. Else I don't sound like he can talk I. Don't understand I, think they cut his tongue out. That's why he was bleeding so much from his. Also Ruby brings it up later. But the other thing too is Route like the scene just kind of ends or whatever. But like it was just more scary bad they did I remember they did say he was dead. Yes. That makes sense I remember somebody was like talking about how you know he might be dead, but we can still get it out of him or something like okay. All right. I remember that phrase what also says tongue was cut out and there was definitely bleeding. Now the thing I thought was weird is that he kinda was seem like he was trying to get their attention. So. Like. They put on them then reanimate him and now yes, Labor something and if so why to cut them up so bad and I think a lot of this goes back to that scientists dude. Yeah here I'm Epstein is very. so then As Hillary rubies back at work. This is now like the fourth day I believe. So as Hillary Ruby is back at work and she is fussing over Tamra putting the shoot wrong shoe by the wrong dresses. Once again, you know, and now this I think obsession with Tamra was also partially this point. She wanted to help her to a certain extent and I don't think it was just like she now knows Tim`rous plight how these white people really feel about all black people. So she she's seen some shit now magic and fucking dead Zombie people would know tongues in closets ASSOC- kind of loses she gets kind of loud and things she's like. You got to put this right shoes lieutenant. You've gotta make it pleasing to the is she and then Tamra, does not not to be disrespectful but I'm doing my best male. And she goes. Well, you have to do better if you. WanNa. Give credit to your race was another thing another time she said. A if you want to be a credit to your race, you had to be better than mediocre and you WanNa know why because why folks the most fucked up the take? She was laughing to turn around I. Know Music Plan. I ain't gonNA fans it apart Miss Doors right? Like she's trying to help but she's still true to character ruby lie I like did they didn't initiate magically understood respectability with some bullshit I'm like not nineteen fifty to come on now that the one day don't know. anyways let's use like. That's Why They have you can't even imagine that's why you have to be exponentially better than them. So you don't end up with some classic half did would you talk? And before she can finish that power walks like what's going on? You thank She's trying to. Be Back. They're trying to make PAS down oil follow. So she turned around Paul's I everything. Okay. People staying and Shit, and she's like a hillary like well, Tamra was just saying how she was gonNA take us to the south side. And Tama goes along with the LAI. But what choice does she have this white woman lot and you can't be like I didn't say that so you gotTa do you only want to take him and this white woman was being kind of bossing towards you in a bit of hostile So, at Denmark Vesey Bar, though whites are taken into local negro scenery was music one white girls looking around at the brothers like she's ready to see for black dot. com. Yes in a black people. They didn't even look like into it because I think they just understood the stress of like if something happens to these white people or these white people decide, they could fuck up everything. Just one of those things where this is our space, an any white person presence just fuck the atmosphere. Yeah. It wasn't like a rob ally all year man like it went like the first time we've seen the place. Now not just that but it wasn't a vibe of like Oh cool white people it was like, Hey, Comey's crackers. I guess like even when she looked at the brothers, they didn't look into like it wasn't like. Shit why women alert it was like Please Lord. I I think I'm calling tonight right. So then they all like Wanna get up and dance an artist. Shit. Tamra looks nervous drinking with the CO workers basically take the shot and Simpson while. I'm here but I can't. Be Myself because you don't you right they all get up and plus we don't know timber de might be her scene and that's to tear might be a charge girl this one. Right, you know Ruby lie as Hillary rubies lie put. Timur in this fucked up position. You know what I'm saying they would have not asked her if it wasn't for that. Because they were so busy shunning her and not talking to her and making her at work they never would have gotten to know her to even be like, Hey, can you take us out but when she used that as an alibi excuse distraction or whatever she actually put her in his fucked up position of having to deal with wideness in space agreed. and. So then Hillary says, she doesn't want dash she'll get with the rest of them, and then we have a slow shot her kind of looking at them dancing with the black people and seeing like the complexity of them being genuinely repulsed of an races it behind the back storeroom. But then here they are taken in his exotic culture and cuisine and and storing this this racial tourism they were doing right. They love us what they don't of us. RIGHT THEY WANNA be us but they hate us right you know and we wanna be them but we hate down to some extent. As far as America goes into rights that we would like to have. Because I, I love being black I do too but you know what I meant. So then. They so they. She goes outside as she doesn't take the next dose of potion. She. She goes ahead and stars transforming back into Ruby and the I yet is the first time. We ever see her truly trans the special effects were so great. It was like they when they really got 'cause earlier, we saw like were they did the first transformation we see little stuff like that was an I in the back of her throat, which is gross and all that stuff. But this one it was, it was totally like they way all the way there was like watching the whole transform. Now keep in mind the titled Is Episode Is. Strange of. Our God don't let me put this up. Let's go to the top of my notes strange case, which is also the title of the very famous book and movie the Strange Case of Dr, Jekyll and Mr Hyde. which is all about a person taking a drug that transforms them and then was transformed. They become an uninhibited monster, much less control and audit stuff. In the in the. Mister high form in Dr Jekyll form. Of course they're. They're in control and I think in a way this episode of say that Whiteness is that monster that mister high the the ability and the potential to have uncontrolled impulse with no consequences is. To alluring and monstrous. So. The Message. Saturday. To. But yes. Oh She transplant she basically reversed those okay gene the whiteness she's black again. And so. camera is trying to leave the party and Paul this gentleman, this Rockford painting man this you know this Americana, two kids and and. Two kids wife right and a puppy, the Mr they laughed when it said, could he be a sexual? Predator. Of any kind will he is coming onto Tamra and being like look. Let me grab Yo Pussy. fucking Donald. Trump's she talking about how hard girl sweet down there? Some shit like that s she says, I. Don't want to do this and he's like come on as she scratches him and he lets her go and then he goes nigger bitch which she runs off. Ruby sees all this through a tiny to a hole the fence that we see our face covered in blood and our is are of course lit of just angry He didn't know she's seen right blade or back at the mansion ruby sitting on the couch holding the potion. Just kinda like she's deciding if she's GonNa drink it or not as he puts it up to her mouth disease about the drink Christina comes in from the basement. And Christina doesn't even seem surprised at Ruby's there even though she clearly wasn't expecting her to be there and Rubio's why the aisle, what do you have in the basement? It's the only house. There's lot UN William going out of there at all times of the day. And Christina sits next to her without answering their questions and goes I guess Ruby got interrupted again. which. Ruby never told. Christina. So, Rudy says he told you that. Like basically like how much is William Sharing with you initiate private right? Right. He definitely say we fucked you know did he say I suck this Dick from? Every day. So Christina says she's being where Ruby before but ruby says please shut the fuck up. You can't relate to who I am and I spend enough time on your side of the color line and no the only thing you white women are disillusioned with our yourselves. I'm my girl. Stops Dylan from black. Twitter. Okay Staff Stop Well, stop you only get a medium peace and. You'll medium log in instill this shit put this one on a pay you are. You're patriots amount charged for like don't give this away. That's too much. Way Too. Much Christina agrees and says, we want to be you you WANNA be us but you misunderstood Williams invitation is not to be white is an invitation to do whatever the fuck you want. That's the currency of magic unmitigated freedom who are you really uninterrupted? And in this moment, what it made me think is how? Pristina. Sees that magic and that metamorphoses. As an opportunity to seize power. Ruby haven't been a black woman, her whole life. Obviously, the magic is brand new. Are She saw it as an opportunity to seize whiteness because whiteness is power to her but Cristina as a person has already a white woman she's like there's something beyond. That like the whiteness is not even ultimate power. You'd think in two small like this like you're not doing whatever you want. You Ain't got fucking job. You Ain't got ice cream. You winged read the newspaper like you. You're not really like your sheet is per day pedestrian compared to the ambitions that I have you know like, could we know Christina's thinking ways to live forever she's got fails where you can't harm her like you know what I'm saying, Christine don't take over to order right Christina's on some other other shit. She's trying to translate this entire book. So she can have all the magic in the world correct and Ruby meanwhile is like I would like to be able to read a book and a win come up and bother me. And I think that's she kind of helped her to game. You know what I mean, and it's also a big difference on how black people. Have Marginalized people and privilege people look at power different. He is. We do because most of our dreams are literally like I didn't want to do what I'm doing and no one can come penalize me because I'm black yes or woman we have simple goals I feel like like our goal is I wanna live out I want a roof over by hey, my family to be taken care of for a Lotta for a lot of my you know my kids go to the best school you know I don't want to have to bury them because they got shot by police officer our goes our small. Like Limited Scott, yeah we do. We won't basic she hit the sky's the limit for them. Limit is the sky for us you know and a love that justice position because you're looking at two women that could be allies to a certain extent and seeing that they see the world totally different. You know because I think Christine is also very a moral this like. By which I mean I don't think Christine that the rest of his like evil I don't think she thinks herself is harming or helping these people. Everybody is a tool for her to get the ultimate power that she's looking for. So. Two hers just like you just to. But I'm not saying that in a year less than me I'm saying you're just a tool why aren't you using me as a tool? Everyone's a to to get what you want. So why aren't you like what do you really want because this is? So then. Ruby goes back. The marshalls feels as Hillary and she's in Paul's Office and she quits As you said, she's quitting because she's attracted to Paul and she can't more. While on the clock work there and fuck his brains out. And Powell is like. fucking membranes out. Well yes. Dick is not your friend. Okay. And the thing is Paul. Hey check her out when she first got the job was he walked past interview definitely but he kissed her hand hugged her so like it felt to me and this is such. So interesting I love this Jackson position to. Set Paul was not a sexual Predator to those white ladies because he's not a sexual Predator, he was not a sexual predators, white women because they have agency there was something that could be done about it. It's not saying that white women don't experience sexual nation at work or any of this stuff. But there's a certain type of white man who was made a civil pat who has made this he's accepted the gentleman nist that he needs to present around white ladies like you know these are white women to be respected. But remember I told you last week we'll talk about jazz by Toni Morrison and stuff, and this isn't a lot of books I read out of the House of Bondage Foley Glimpse. There was no of black woman, a white male head to respect. All of them were imposed they had no age regardless of. Shin or any right I could sexually assault you and there's nothing you can do about it. You may even get in trouble. I could You can have my children I don't have to take care of them. nope. I have. No financial obligation to you. My children are whatever race the mother is. So therefore, I can be like those niggers. I can be nice if I want to obligated to be nice I'm not legally binding by any of it. nope. So if I own you and you have a child from me I on your child. You know so so like this is the world not. Necessarily nineteen, fifty two but the world that this, the the the the building blocks of this world are based in that world I'm saying and so. Even, when black women and black people trying to make these strides in the segregated red line Chicago and he's made US cities coming from Jim Crow South. They still were dealing with this. You know white men sexually propositioning like women of standing in the community. You know, and then of course, the unfair. Callous disregard a black women saying all of them are prostitutes. You, know the over important because that's where white people came to do their crimes anyway. So Hey, if I wanted to do drugs, I'm going to the black neighborhood and guess what this turns into. Even though why people go in there and fueling the drug trait black people are drug addicts and drug dealers they're bad people even though they would bring drugs into the community right drugs I need to use, but I'm only going to look down on you not me. Right. So same things sexually you know a lot of time. So even though Tamra work there and this man would never even think to approach one those white women disrespectfully. He never saw that way and the second and he got a chance to be outside of their job or whatever he was like, yeah. I can sexually violate you and if you say some your nigger bitch. And Ruby witnessed that you know as though. She. Poses puts tyron ours. She was slowly doing some sem I mean, he was getting A. Better Neka got his hands bonded I was like we we. With this, she pauses pants down around his ankles and then she goes and sits down on a chair and makes them suck on the hills of the Naughty Stiletto. Wearing and She says you said you wanted to talk to me about something before you know whatever he was like. Oh. I was just going to say you know we probably need to fire Tamra and I'm like, yeah, you tried to sexually assault her now you want to get rid of the evidence. So this black woman that got this job here that was very fortunate in August she. She buys about the lose his job because you never really respect to her anyway and the truth is that could be ruby. Because, is not this is not about Tamara's qualifications or lack of qualifications is just about her blackness and expandability. And so he and honestly, it puts you in danger to be the first black anything. Does he then. licks the hill and Bodak yellow stars playing. The words that you know. These rare bottom diesel, bloody shoes and he notices her eyes are changing like they did in the car one time was Brown and he's like Hillary is as she been gets behind them, kicks them on the ground and stabs him in his but. With the heels until they're bleeding as she turned. Back into herself, it was a lot going on a lot was happening like she is turning. Back to her naked bloody black blaxell while also stabbing him in his but with these red bottoms giving him the worst prostate exam all time. Yeah and the thing is while this is happening as well. Know things well I go. Somebody's GONNA. Find Him right day he they're gonNA find this white skin all on the ground and I'm like, Oh, they don't charge him with that right was murder and he's going to tell them what happened and then I don't believe you. Maybe man I I so much. Don't know what the fuck. That's how much this. Episode through me because I don't know how much realism they're approaching it with or not because she also walks out of this office at the flipping him over and saying I just wanted you know that a Nigga Bitch, did this to you. With whites gained just fallen out for on the floor and put on like a coat and walks out covered in blood. And I kept thinking like there's so many things she's covered in blood and public and gets back home and no one notices. Shit. I don't know how much episode is GonNa be in the cannon of light. And then the police forensics figures like what counts and what doesn't. Oh. I don't know I think that The Cook, it cop end up flying that posted. Good call investigating a good call because like he's he's he's teaching. He's he's looking and searching for shit too. So I could see that do having posted somewhere in there. Assume that it was that perfume then finding they're doing some analysis from trump's like dad and somebody like Oh. This is this is the posting but because he got pieces of the book who knows that I'm telling you that Poche at some period of time is gonNA come back up and it's going to be a problem. Now, a great call that would make a lot of sense that would be a great next up the he investigated somehow and then put together that magic is if You. Know maybe even Christina's something to do with it. So I, don't think. This APP he may eventually make the connection but when it first happened I, don't think he's going to assume that it's Christina. I mean no no no I know. WHOA. Okay I don't know what will happen, but I'm just saying. It'll ha if it doesn't leave back to him. FIGURING OUT CHRISTINA GUY? Makes Sense Yeah I Think, you're going to start connecting the and trying to figure out and not as serve. Yeah. because. They're kind of like enemies. Yes. So it doesn't she not supposed to be in town he kicked her out and Adis Mac and nations and share in this clearly something's going to happen between the two of them because it's come to a head because she's observing him now. Yeah and I might be wrong but I think is true. What Christine is about William I think Christina. Is. I think that they D don't will use body in the river and all that stuff and shot him up I really do think happened. Okay. Wrong. But I really do but you don't have to say you might be wrong. We both might be wrong on everything we've run up on the show. So you no doubt yourself. I never know what's GonNa Happen. Sometimes, right sometimes, not So the she leave on the floor clock crying and shit walks off the energy ambushes William at the house as he coming out of the basement and she says, what's in the basement you and your lady for him it coming out hours a day and I want to know what's going on and Williams I don't have time to talk about this now and then he starts falling down on the ground and she's like William was wrong or whatever, and that's when he transforms into Christina. Because I am the smartest man on the mother implanted. Many of you doubt it. You didn't put the pieces together. What ideas how old you wanted I tell you didn't I tell you you. and when did I tell you a long time ago and what did I say what happened when I told you bagman wardrobe. I told you what happened and gave you prophecy on his show and that's just what I do. Okay. Me and a fellow writers in the room I we already know what's going to happen. I'm just parsing it out a little bit at a time. So. Yes. she turned William Turns into but Christina burst out of William and then. She goes Ruby goals. You William this whole fucking time. and. That's the end. So Yeah amazing episode. I loved it. Probably, my may womb maybe my favorite I don't know they've all been so good, Dave all been so good. I first was my favorite but mostly because I didn't know what I was getting into and I'm so pleasantly surprised. Yes and I think after the ending. that's when I was. That's when I thought a I think that they really do think that quote unquote, Williams dead I think has a lot to do with why he has those holes and shit all across his chest probably where he got shot up and they probably did dump them off the river and all that type of ship. Here's the thing I'm thinking though. We know that. The woman whose body William. Body that. Ruby was turning into was say women from artem. Or whatever that was so couple things. Could it be that the magic is DNA related and why say that is? They had a cow given birth to a show Goth Monster. So they know some shit wisdom DNA light are they just taking the DNA of certain people in the metamorphose is into them from drinking this potion and so that's why you always turn it to the same person. Or something like that because clearly a choice it'd be like I can be this person like is not you just magically turned into white person or whatever's the same person from the same type of potion each time And then also who is William then? You know what I'm saying like is that based off a real person somewhere as she took you know, did he really do they died and she just took his place I It just makes you wonder what? What is who in what is William, and that's true. You know. So that was thinking about the last thing I was GonNa say is Ruby is the locust. So. That's another reason I think maybe she's going to be a bad guy. Because you know if you go back to the what they said about the locus on the news report, it was essentially a transforms. After seven days a reach sexual maturity and devours everything inside is coming for great. Britain AKA PEOPLE I mean I may be stretching into far out. I know but it feels like this was this what five to seven days that we spent as Ruby and eventually knowing that is called a strange case. Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde and Mr Hyde is about the unbridled unfiltered like dark motivations that late him Dr Jekyll, but were were not. He just couldn't hold them back once he transformed I think that maybe that for. Ruby. She's transforming and she's going to devour ak one like greedily want this power this magic for herself I wouldn't be shocked if she joins up with Christina. Turns like betrays and turns against leading them. In pursuit of power I think I think she's going to both I think that. She's going to force Christina to. Teach her and show her how to make this yourself. To. Be Able to do it on her own. You know because she was like, don't tell me, I'm telling everybody I you know I could. She's Lily. The only person who knows probably did that they are the same person and so I think that they're going to working together and I think I might be wrong but I think eventually Christina's going to kind of let her end let her in but literally let her Intel about lady and all that stuff and use and and. Christina's going to do it as a way to get to a book when ladies going to do it either way of revenge of getting to to tick and letting in actually working with them to get them to accomplish things and then going to turn around and It be a lie you know and I could see once. Ruby learn how to make this post show I'm I'm just speculating once ruby learns how to make this posted herself. I. Can see her going to lady and take a completely different person. You know yeah. Like a mask off type of thing. Is I mean, yes. Sure. Why? Like why? Why not try to play both sides but my thing is also like. They would trust her she came back. They really don't have a reason not to trust like they don't know she's been up to initiate so she can literally just call infiltrate without needing to pretend to be anyone else. You just show up and be like. So what are y'all up to? I WanNa help and really just trying to get to the ORI. She knows all the same people they know and they. Still haven't caught up with. D hippolyte. Two weeks ago they doing stay still on the road out amy today year. So I'm you know I'm just I'm just saying man they could do a lot where ruby but I also could feel her be mad if she was like Yo y'all really left me out of this shit. Like y'all been fucking around with magic power and all this shit and y'all weren't gonNA. Tell me nothing I just been out here on my own and. Like now that I've discovered it on my own fuck out. You know what I mean 'cause I could any point told me like this is real So I'll also be interesting to see how much Christina will let her in on. Her four-storey 'cause Christina's allying crafty motherfucker tells you what you need to know and nothing else right. So You know it's just so much with this show. So many places they could go and this episode just has so many levels and layers to. So I just thought it was so great. But yeah. So what do you look forward to next week? Next. Week should be fun looks like we to go into Korea. So I'm interested to see the backstory at tick in what happened to him over there and Why what really mayhem come back in you know why did she tell him not to go back in the first place? What caused that relationship to fall apart like like it's GonNa be a fun because we're GONNA lily going to be leaving the United States. You know for the first time in this in this series same thing basically, it looks like it's going to be a at least preview like a basically a self contained story of just what happened back then which is one of my favorite things has been happening TV lately watch me and did this like I. I love when show is really compelling and they take time to really do it right when they do that like bottleneck episode of like here we go to going back to Korea, whatever and hopefully add more. Plot points to what we already of seeing if it if it's done, right? Yes it does and I think this one will everything they've done in the show so far has been Kinda done right to me, and like I said, I recognize hokey NASA I recognize the leaps of logic that you have to take you know like I get. Like. Her walking rabble. Eddie back to the house every day. Never get caught. You know because she would add to bloody as a black woman through this neighborhood to get to this matching or whatever you know. So I I I do get it I'm not trying to say. You know is. Like. Oh, this show is just so thinks everything but is just a fine shows or is buffy black people you know. And a better budget and rated R. IN BILL AND SEX. So you know. So I'm really enjoying it and yeah there's some little things I think I think the key elements for me was just respectability angle the fact that she kinda hated camera and put him but she really was responsible for putting Tamra in a position to be sexually assaulted. Baffoni I think she got revenge for and I. think that's why when she helped the re this you that police officers office was because Christina explanatory will help William get revenge. And the fact that that was the motivator for her to me speaks volumes because she understood. Yeah and the fact that we in this what her getting revenge on that boss essentially accuracy and Kinda hypnotism like yellow magic is power beyond his whiteness. And I'm like, what would that power look like in the hands of a black woman like Ruby? fucking. Why people because everybody else should is like we want to protect they want to protect each other on. She's like I want the power and I'm Mike Harmon Christina could become allies, but let me tell you some. People that covet power known sharing it so That, even if she worked with Christina somehow that's GONNA come to a head and I just can't imagine. So all right. That's it for this week. Thank you so much for listening this long, but it was fine. Hope you all enjoyed it. and. We'll talk to y'all. Saturday. For our feedback show premium people. We'll talk to you Thursday and Friday. All right until the. Piece I. Love You. Okay I. Love. Utah Okay. Oh I love you too.

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Real Estate Boom and Supreme Court Ruling on Religious Schools

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Real Estate Boom and Supreme Court Ruling on Religious Schools

"From radio, Vermont, it's the Dave Graham. Show on W. DV. It's your show. About, the people places and the issues that matter the most to you. Now. Here's your host Dave Graham. Good Morning Vermont. It is Tuesday the. Let's see the seventh of July two thousand and twenty in so glad to have you join us this morning. We were going to be talking about your range of topics. We often do on the day Graham. Show here VDB into starting off. We're going to talk about Vermont's. HOT REAL ESTATE MARKET WE HAVE A couple of people involved in the real estate industry in Vermont. It'll be joining us in just a moment after i. tell you what else is coming up on this show in the second half hour. We're going to be talking about actually. Another has another impact on individual real estate sales. We're kinda shaped. You keep your lawn in. We're GONNA be talking about the raise the blade campaign. It's an effort. To get folks to motor lawns in a slightly more environmentally friendly way, and we'll be talking about that in the second half hour. On. A portent US Supreme Court decision last week affecting. Public funding for religious schools. That's been an issue here in Vermont. There's actually pending litigation surrounding rice, Memorial, high school, and whether it that's a Catholic School of South Burlington Rice, Memorial, a the the question pending there is whether students from their kid enrolled in joined the enrollment program where they get college credits while still in high school. That requires the funding. There's been some worry about about that. public funding to religious schools well the. US Supreme Court decision issued a ruling last week relating to. Public funding for religious schools that. Up sure some folks evolved in the rice. Case are watching closely. We'll be speaking with three experts in the latter our the program about all that, but I wanted to get to our to realtors who are on the phone with us this morning. We'll talk about what's happening in. Vermont Real Estate Market Russ ingles is with remax all seasons realty. They offices in Lyndon Ville in the Newport and. We also have witnessed Mark Montross. WHO's with catamounts realty group based up in Colchester and gentleman. I wish you a good morning and thank you very much for joining me. While you. Wrestling me. Start with you because this this What the Intel I've been picking up actually originated up in the kingdom. Folks saying that there are a lot of a lot of purchasing going on. It's a pretty hot market right now and a lot of what's driving it our folks from. Down country who are thinking about? Maybe I should get out of the city where this cove nineteen pandemic is really raging, and go up to Vermont when I can, and have a place to go up there. Where it's a, it's a little calmer as far as the code goes and. Etc, what are you? What do you hear? What do you know? What can you tell us? Yeah I think you're very accurate with that There's a there's a fear with the. Pandemic, that's going on. People are want to be safe It's a lot like what we saw with nine eleven. People just want to call them where where they where they can have some peace of mind and in relative safety. And internally are driving the market. It's we're seeing. We're seeing things that are we haven't seen in, and since probably the mid the mid two thousand and are they the mid nineties so I should say and It's it's it's. It's really really busy. Give me an example of when you say we're seeing things we haven't seen since You know fifteen or even twenty five years ago, What things do you have in mind? I just properties that may have languished on the market longer are selling fast, or what see we're. We're starting to see where we were really kind of lagging behind a little bit of at least up in my area, and mark might have a different take on it over on his side, but we're starting to see. Lakefront properties that probably not as much pricing as just where they were priced nine move now I'll lakefront relief front now starting to become a premium and the only thing that's really keeping it from. From really really exploding is prices have climbed, but their their appraisals are lagging behind some of where where we need to get the prices to people are willing to pay. Appraisals are a little bit behind, but they'll catch up, but yeah. Lakefront is one area that we're. We're really starting to see. We're starting to see In at least in our area, we're starting to see homes and the mid twos to to mid threes to three seventy five are starting to become active again as well the more you move north though the prices are. are a little bit slower when you're down in Caledonia. County The Washington county's. you get a home price in those mid twos to mid threes, and there's a bidding war going on within within a short amount of time. Yeah, that's that's interesting and I are. Are they talking me little? You mentioned the appraisals and say they're lagging a bit Do you mean they're behind schedule? Wise, or is it more a matter of of the appraisers coming in, and not recognizing that there's a price premium out there maybe. Well. I think that the appraisers are just buried. There's no question about that. They're very me are they're working hard doing as many as they can do and and the end, and it's not a default of the appraisers far as what they're doing with values. We have people willing to pay, but they still have to have to have something to compare it to and. and they tend to lag three months behind or saul because they're using COMP sales They're using sales that have happened already, and that's what they're using. Compare the market too, but. right now. What what I'm finding? Is that advice? I gave two months ago. Isn't the same advice as what I've given to now I'm listening to place today that we started at to to to fifty. And then we went to who seventy five, and and now we're now we're at three hundred and I just don't advice started about seven weeks ago and the last little bit I, said well I. You know. Listen I think that we ought to be three. Three, hundred and we're GONNA be. We're going to be having some action on that pretty quickly so well. That's interesting. mark Montross with catamounts realty group Colchester. Are you finding that in that chickening county area that we're seeing the same sort of more heated, real estate market right now. and I'm curious about the comparison because Jitney County. You know usually the hottest part of Vermont all the time Are you seeing an impact from the this phenomenon of the cove, refugees or whatever? We are seeing definitely a increase in home sales, especially with the first time homebuyer market, and we're also seeing those coming in from other parts of the state, and they're looking to move here, so you have definitely last four years have been. Very active and certainly this year. The beginning. Burgee. Quarter and Cova came along. And there was some speculation by some that will emerge from. The buyer's market, but end up being just. It was almost like the floodgates oaken, and there was a surge in fire activity, so from our point of view and county. were seeing any homes on the market? Letter literally receiving, Re Four, I heard one instance of thirteen authories within a matter of days going over asking price. Certainly around that might. Have to work with. Many buyers have written many offers. Definitely are seeing it and. I. Don't see that changing anytime soon. I also agree with Russ Bats. You're definitely a spike in. Today's homes outpacing historical values when it comes to pass appraisals. Somebody is I'm looking at and advising. People believe that historical data isn't really supporting however, consumer demand who's driving it so. Definitely see him from impact. I I've seen from I actually this contract. Yesterday for a couple of California bought a place literally sight unseen just closed on one. Last week the same scenario that people bought it coming again from other state by cyclops scene. and. I as if you're advising fire What do you think about buying sight unseen? Is that wise? With today's technologies, we have the ability to do videos. Some of us have matter for cameras. or able to scan inside the house. And you have facetime technology, so there's a lot of ways that we can facilitate people seeing the property without physically being there that gives them great details. Feel confident, and and this is not anything new three anyways I've helped. People purchased properties in the past that will not physically able to get to the property prior to closing so when you as technologies zoom while other people to make that functional. Interesting and Russ, Russ Angles and what are you finding out? There are a lot of folks Are they are they buying property sight unseen or just relying on the electronic methods of looking at a property? You know what you what you see up there. Well I I like mark I, E, we're. We're doing a lot of zoom tours. Youtube tours stuff like that and You know we're. We're advising. Our buyers Hey. Let's not worry about the color of the wallpaper you know that can be changed you know. Tell us tell us Tell us we were really what you're looking for. And what's your concerns and will highlight those in the in the tours that we do and we're going to give you the best view that we can you know. We are professionals in our business. We're listening where. What the consumer wants and yeah. One time I had nine nine properties. Under contract sight unseen, and every one of them were went very well without a hitch I mean it's it's it's it's it's it's nerve-racking. Put You on your game when you're being the expert and really paying attention to what your buyer wants you're you really WANNA. Make sure you're doing a good job and making sure there's no surprises of as any concerns You know you're recommending when asked you're recommending great home inspectors that you've worked lower than pass and speak their language a little bit. Everybody has their own style and so yeah, you're yeah, we're seeing. We're seeing a lot of that. And and for the most part is. It's going very very well. I think it just goes to show to that as an organization. HOW ADAPTIVE! We are two changing times, and how our value continues to be extremely important. With changing conditions that. Really does a great job on health. Schuler is both on the buyer side of the seller side, function and challenging ties. The that's the Vermont Association realtor degree to right and mark. You're an officer with them or board member or LOVE THE VICE PRESIDENT! Okay, that's and I want I. Want to ask you mark also I I asked Ross earlier Do you have any sense of what percentage of the people in your kind of portfolio of buyers right now? The people who are looking around with you are would cloud sorta classify as Kobe refugees people from down country. Maybe you are looking to get up to Vermont, because they feel, it's safer and CETERA. By personal. With. Buyers it's mainly those that are first time homebuyers. Okay flew. Either don't see the value in further renting and with today's rates that they could be paying the same. The mortgage as would be renting and yeah, I think. Maybe, confined to small quarters department. They certainly changed people's attitude of having more space. by. or I think younger buyers are understanding realizing the value of homeownership as opposed to renting and blocked to take a down jacket with conditions. The are as interest rates being really positive that they're. They're seeing it and wanting to bands of it. and Re Muscle Sixty forty on my side over here as far as sixty percent of Colbert buyers as you've as you've outlined probably sixty forty, but I agree with mark very much. The first time buyer is is much driving. The market is we have a lot of local first time. homebuyers because of the low interest rates and and we're pulling a lot of people out of at least I am. I'm pulling a lot of people out of the on the West Coast. -FORNIA and the Portland. Areas WASHINGTON STATE IDAHO Colorado and and they've They've. They've grown to love politics out there, but can't afford to live there anymore, and they do like mark market over there and chatting and county, and what's happened, is they get they get over there and they get priced out of the market a little, so they're starting to push over east into the into The MORRISVILLE areas and You know. They're used to driving an hour and a half two hours to work out where they're coming from. Going ten miles or they come over here and they drive into the Burlington market, the work market on our and a half or so and they don't mind that, but they can afford there, so they're kind of. They're kind of expanding. Expanding our market across the northeast, and and pushing up the price points as well, but the what I'm finding as well as the stuff that's pushing the the prices higher on the UNIN the luxury market tend to be the out of state who seem to have deeper pockets. Yeah Yeah Hey. Russell. I'm curious to know what what you run into with your buyers. When they encounter Vermont's broadband and cell phone technology. Well You know that's tough I mean. We have a lot of people now that are. Displaced workers that I don't think are ever going to go back into the office setting and one of the requirements that they want are the broadband I'm still a little disappointed in our in our politics that we started this conversation about ten years ago to to have broadband throughout the state certainly chicken and county areas, and it's it's getting pushed over, but certainly the nine county areas a have that a little bit better, but. Still, you get up in the into Franklin. And Franklin counties up out area, and they're running into the same thumbs that we're having memorial and Orleans and Actress County that we just don't have. We don't have the communications that we need I. Look at some of the smaller towns that years ago, made decisions hard with being one of them made a smart decision about putting in A. A tower to for cell phone and data, and that turned that town into a sleepy, little counting, probably used to get picked on a little bit into an economic stronghold in the in the in the kingdom, because I don't know how many deals I've come out of the Wilderness in enfold into Hardwick and saddened some park lawn and closed up the deal that I hadn't been. Out of service for two hours certainly add is a huge huge huge something to stage should be really really focusing on to to push them. that broadband into all corners of the state. Your Voice as we've had a few discussions on the on the day, Graham Show here in Wd FM and am amount about the broadband and. Cell, issues and the state, and it's still. It's still kind of amazes me sometimes when I drove drive up. I in my period if I'm enough to the kingdom. Take fourteen through hard work in most of the way up through East Gallison Woodbury. I don't have cell, service and Yourself because that's all you're doing. Pretty much pretty much but it. Makes me think wow, will we a third world country or something? Because of this is the main road from? The state capital to one of the principal towns in a neighboring county. And kind of go. That's weird. No Cell Service yikes anyway. So Mark I'm wondering if if you are. If! You're feeling like. This real estate boom that you're you're experiencing right now. Just got to be nice thing for you. I'm you're getting you? Guys are both hall into commissions and stuff, and and so that's got to be a good thing a. what do you see for the future I mean the code crisis sort passes. Do you think things will come back down again and? Do. You think it's going to stay hot for a while for quite a while now. Question, to ask I wish I had that crystal ball relief to know what the future brings is probably already retired by now however I do see it continuing to stay straws throughout the year, because obviously I'm not seeing any reduction in buyer demand coming out and one thing that I am starting to see now which we haven't seen a lot in the past is a lot of older people that now that had these bigger homes or starting to actually. Thinking about downsizing so now we're seeing more homes coming on the market that are larger people that are into nesters and that's. Basically kind of A. Log So to speak where those that are in the middle looking to upgrade. or now able to see inventory, come on to come and talk to the bigger house, which is intriguing up. For the first time homebuyers Babe, get into those entry level home so I do see cup. positive flow in that aspect I mean do continue to see definitely a good strong market and the real estate area for the next. You know at least for the next six months. After that you know who knows, but for now it definitely remains very strong. For funding note that. Giving us a strong market and a lot of first-time homebuyers funded the things I do know this is. Is People really need to to take that first stepping and get your for mortgage that way? They know what they're looking for a much. Sir Qualified for which programs they can qualify for us, so they can figure out some of their expenses, including your closing costs to make sure that when they do find this home ready to on it, and that be stressed out because of that quite sure. WHAT THE DEAL! Yeah I get you now. Let me ask you about the a about affordability. Mark and I wanted to ask you because Jitney counties as one of the more expensive areas to live in Vermont, and and if not the most and when you have these young, these young folks who come to you Let's say it's a young couple and the bottom of the market is you know two hundred, fifty, three, hundred thousand somewhere in there. Are they typically? Do they typically have incomes that can support that or is that? Is that driving too many people? Bought them. The market threshold is driving, too. Many people are just out of the market because his salaries aren't aren't keeping pace. Honestly, one type of working with definitely can't afford it. That is the nice piece I'm seeing is that? The income dates is very good where they actually can afford to get into that market. Have seen some that. If as restless saying. They're now willing to travel for lunar for route so in the past this area. Often seen that thirty minutes with kind of cut off time for people willing to try. To give me more. Now I'm starting to see that. Expand to forty five fifty minutes sometimes an hour. which kind of puts them in Franklin County area? And into the dial area in other areas that to make it more affordable that they can't purchase a home. The most part I'm seeing dad again. They're still looking to be within that thirty to forty minutes time line drive purposes. A Russell. I'm wondering you know the other thing that people occasionally talk about around here in terms of. People from the seaboard moving up to Vermont to escape whatever whatever threats they perceive down there whether it's covert Y- The other thing I've heard people chatter about you know I. Don't know if it's if you ever hear it from buyer, this stage of history or whatever, but you know there's a lot of concern when people think about climate change, and so on about rising sea levels. I grew up right on the ocean down in Massachusetts. Five minute walk from the water and and you know I. I mean worse case scenario. What if the ocean levels is a little bit? Some of those towns down? They're going to be needed to be evacuated. Basically at least parts of our and our. Does anybody ever come up to you and say I want to buy some property? Vermont's that I you know if I if I do if we do face that eventuality, have someplace to go. I I we used. We hear that Samo were. Yeah, it's it's really the fear factor of Cova Dad really drives it I mean. Certainly, certainly, climate change has you know comes into the conversation and but I'll tell you You know it's it's pretty hard to. I've learned a long time ago that you're not going to overcome anybody's fear. If somebody's fear of something it seems to drive the market certainly climate change does come into it. another thing another reason another reason why we we do, have people come up here. They just can't believe how nice for Montor Sar they they really you know. I have a little thing that I. I tell people and say listen you know we really don't care about your religion, your politics or your sexual orientation color of your skin or or anything about all we care about your just a nice person and say hi, I'm Rawson. How are you and I'll get more? Who multiday showings and we'll send somebody down to a restaurant in L.. Come back to rush. You absolutely positively correct about that. We got talked into the neighbor next to us, and we gotta get this day through we get. We're going out for dinner with them tonight. So it's it's the the culture of the people that we have up here, but certainly Certainly, the climate change is brought up. More I think right now. The it's GonNa driving the market Yeah, sure it, and as mark shed low interest rates, first time, homebuyers, and as long as interest rates stay with Iraq It's GonNa It's certainly one percentage. Point makes a difference between somebody bill, the buy a home at two, hundred or two, hundred and fifty thousand for sure. In rest is there is there much sort of folks buying land and saying you know I'll I made build later or something. It's starting to get there I think the as these prices start to climb We've had enough inventory. Although tight, we've had enough inventory and the per square foot. Cost has been cheaper to buy existing versus to buy land supply your home as as we start to run, burn through his inventory. We are starting to see people starting to pick. Pick up land and and to build a and again the communist busy enough where I just working with some folks now they're just barely put home under contract to board. Some of the land that they had they were going to build. They come up this last weekend. Who a contract with their builder and said well, we might as well look at this one. One home and they We were able to put the deal together. on no one home that bordered their land because It was cheaper to buy that property still then versus to build what they're talking about, so it's going to get there again. Like mark says we don't know what this market is going to do. you've been waiting for. We've. We've been waiting for ten years for there to be a crushing on price to push prices up higher there there. Are they going to stay there We'd like to think that they are. Maybe they're gonNA. That's GONNA be the new norm, but again show me that crystal ball and I'll retire tomorrow I. We're not quite sure what is going to do. Yep Okay well, that is. That is the voice of Russ ingles. He is Up in the northeast kingdom, he has he. Is, with remax seasons really based in. 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I'll get the proper pronunciation in just a moment She is with the UVM extension and she'll be talking to us about this this topic in the next few minutes here on the day Graham. Show we also. are going to be speaking with Laurie Fisher of Lake Champlain Committee and The that's interesting aspect. Y somebody from Lake champlain committee will it turns out that? The way we treat our our lawns enter yards. Really does have a big impact on what goes on downstream in for an awful lot of northern Vermont downstream means. On the way to Lake Champlain so Let's we're. We're still trying to reach. Laurie Fisher and hoping to connect with her. It's just a couple of minutes, but the meanwhile I do believe we have Chris and Chris. YOU ME! Of Your last name I missed that so far. Yeah you actually hit it right on the second one I say stepping up. Stepanek okay, and you are with you, vm extension and Is this This raise the blade campaign and interesting name there is this a fairly new thing now. Yeah we've been doing it for a couple of years, so we're trying to get the word out a little bit more broadly. Into the beginning part of the project we actually surveyed people to understand what kind of lawn care practices people in the lake shipment basis. We're doing so that we could better informed outreach that we are doing now so some of the things that we've learned is, is that about seventy five percent of people in the watership at dream selection plane actually cut their grass shorter. Shorter than the recommended length that we are recommending, which is three inches in length, and we know that a number of folks are cutting their grass between two and three inches in length, and we know that the motivations for them to cut their grass to that longer length with the pick for the glass, if it helps the environment, and if it would save them time. And two of those three things we can, we can work with in terms of just saying hey, just cut it to that longer length It's good for the environment, and it's good for the grass, the the third one that it takes time as a little bit trickier for us to to get at that. We have some ideas for how to suggest practices. People can do that well. Wow? That's interesting to get to that because I was actually. I'll go there first because I was just thinking. Generally. If I if I get my haircut shorter I, have to go to the barber shop less often, right? Yeah so could. We have three practices that were recommending news to cut the grass to that three inch link that a minimum the second one year. The sticking point is it's it's not to cut more than a third of the length of the blade at any one time, and so that's where you end up. Having to cut more often is to not let it get so long that you'll cutting like fifty percent of the blade length when you're doing the mowing and so that's where it takes you kind of the same amount of time or at least. Possibly even more time getting up there to cut to to make sure that you're cutting just a little bit, and the reason for that is we want people to leave the clippings on the ground you compose because that helps to form health and soils 'cause that those clippings the short ones will be oppose quickly, and they'll make healthier soils which will end up job more water which is the ultimate goal. Goal of all of this is if people have longer grass. The longer grass can have longer routes and water that when it rains, comes down, it can soak into the earth more easily, and when you leave this clippings to decompose it forms what's called more organic matter in the soil and soils that have more Ganic matter and hold more water, so the ultimate goal is if we grow the grass longer. We can then have better ability to. Let water sinking to Earth and less off into the streams and into the lakes, and therefore we can protect the water quality because it's the earth is then able to use it for the glass group then and go down into the water table for groundwater recharge. That's interesting so essentially essentially, what a big part of the Big Ingredient of this project the raise. The blade effort sounds like we're. We're essentially trying to slow runoff as I write. Watt Light. Yes. And and obviously you know. RUN OFF into Lake champlain. into the streams feeding lake, champlain, sometimes streams feeding largest dreams, and then in the lake, champlain, or you know other major bodies of water on the eastern side of Vermont the Connecticut River has been the has been much under discussion as being. affected. Negatively by certain practices in by humans in our environment, obviously and and this is true bodies of water all over the world, really and but in Vermont of course, Lake, champlain gets the headlines as our largest body of water in it it is one that has been pretty severely impaired overtime by by what we're doing up here on the land and so. Yeah, and what again we were hoping to get Laurie Fisher. From Lake, Champlain, committee as as as a guest on this segment of the Dave Graham, show we have not achieved the connection with her yet. But our folks are working on a back there. W THE EV and hope that we can get her on at least for the latter part of this this segment and but My guest is. Chris Stepanek she is with the UVM. Extension and Chris I wonder if you could tell me what are some of the public educational efforts? You are making to get the word out about tips for for for cutting your grass bit more environmentally friendly way. Something is A. Stuff on your website and so on. Yes, we are not. This is a product of multiple organizations, and so we have a website called lawn to lake dot org where there's information about this campaign which we call, raise the blade, and what one of the things that we're doing is we have business? That are working with us on this project, and they are mowing bear grass to three inches. we also have cards at each of the businesses that include the anti printers an echo and. Magic brewery and a number of other businesses, and so people who are interested in understanding these practices are can pick up A. Card from those businesses, they can also see what it looks like to have grasped known to three inches. we have signs like the election style signs of that they have on display at these businesses we also have a number of businesses that are working with us on a research project that compares grasping cut to two inches versus grasping cut just three inches of this summer, because Kobe the that project is on hold because of of safety. Reasons, but we have for the last three summers and you a Research that looks at two inches. Sorry about that. Versus. Three inches at places like a curtis lumber and main street, landing and Queen City Printers Inc and a few places here along Pine Street seeing that the grass is more drought resistant when it's cut to three inches versus the two inches. So you see it mostly at at this time of year when it's got really hot. And the grass is cut longer has those longer routes that could reach down a little bit further to get water and the grass cut shorter instead of glowing its roots longer. What it does is actually spend more of its energy growing longer so that it can so to synthesize, 'cause is out. Their mission in life is to create for itself so that it can stay alive and so therefore. If you cut it short it. Expands the energy. Making, more grass blades that we see so that it can create its own food and then store that for the tough periods which would be now when it's hot on over the winter when it was dormant, I'll store sugars in through route. To use for energy. Oh, in those tough time periods, so these businesses were seeing the two inches versus three inches again at this time of year you can see a three inch. Do another little bit better. To get past these drought periods. Interesting in I. I would expect that a long keeping your grass. A little bit longer makes it a slightly better carbon sink to that right. Yeah I don't know too much about that possible. I see okay and when? When people are thinking about this and saying okay, I want to keep grass three inches. Instead of two inches very practical. Question becomes well. How do you adjust your lawnmower to to as you put raise the blade there are. There are a adjustment mechanisms on on just all lawnmowers. Ritu yes most. Push styles of your gas powered motor on the front wheels, and on the back there is a little lever that you can squeeze towards the the wheel itself, and then shifted to the left or the right to to leave A. The deck of the lawn, MOWER or down. You have to be both on the front wheel on the back wheel. that's. One of the things I alluded to earlier about that. We have to have people going out there. A little bit more often one thing that I did as a new homeowner without a lawnmower I invested in low botic lawnmower, and so that goes, and does it all on its own on that particular Martin Luther dial that you set it. Whichever size started length of? Grass cutting. You want to do so. I can set that between two inches in four inches and often. and then for other mowers. Following instructions on the manual to to understand how that individual more with be adjusted We're working with One of the as hard hardware here in South Burlington They are helping folks. There's if signs on the MOWERS that they're selling that they can. adjust help. People adjust the mowers that people are purchasing so that they understand how the mowers and numerous. They're getting work for this it, okay. Hey, let's get a couple of callers into the conversation. Let's go to I. BELIEVE IS JIM in Rochester. Tim Chester Good Morning. I'm just wondering. Is this a rural or urban study? Good question to the two inches versus three inch study. You are focusing in Burlington because it's easy access for the. Researchers. Who are doing it? However, the what we know is that lawns get bigger as you get out of the city, and so the impact can be bigger where people who have larger lawns can. Also, go their grasp three inches, because the same principle applies where we weren't soil to become healthier the. Become longer. Water the runoff to infiltrate into the ground, so the more people we can have doing it outside of the city the better. Because they're bigger, so it's happening over a larger area. So so it's about runoff going into the lake. Correct exact okay. One hundred promote that. So so sometime in June. Vermont digger had a report that Burlington released another one point, four million gowns with sewer into Lake Champlain. How many frigging rule Vermont. Lawns. Would it take to cut the three inch instead of the two and a half that I've been cutting for thirty five years to make it look better. Take to make up that one point four million. That was dumped by the sewer plan. For how many blondes it would take, but there are certainly are. There's challenges in in many ways and the thing they were trying to you. Would education is? Everybody has a part to play and in Burlington, certainly knows they have a part to play in making those. Accidental releases to the lake be stopped and each one of US homeowners has a responsibility to try to do it. We can't as well. Eight, if more people would leave the rural people along, and just concentrate on Franklin County and leave us alone, thank you. gotcha point in thanks for the call. Let's go to Donna Nel more. Dorning days I have a question for your guest as far as mulching mowers concerned. I bought a bought a new more here. three years ago which I can use as a just a regular more or as a mulching mower to I'm just wondering what your guests things. Of whether that is an advantage, as far as the environment is concerned or not, my situation here is I've got a long this mostly cabinet soil, which is not really what you want for grass, and that was one of the reasons I wanted the motion Moore's try to save as much of that in grinded up as much as fine as I could all the the ultimately. It'll go it or improve this oil. I'm just wondering what her opinion on all of that is. Totally think you're on the right track and mostly lower is exactly the perfect thing. Like you said, you're grinding up smaller helping that. He compose, and when it does that well, it can make. Increase soil organic matter and soil is gonNA. Be Able to hold more water, so you're on the right track for sure. That's all we won't let it all. Thank you very much make you've been called the. Have Laurie. Fisher now and Laurie. I don't know if you heard the last couple of calls but I guess the call just immediately previous. The Don there was talking about Kind of another case of what aboutism you know we're. We're we. We want to address a problem that be might build address in some gradual or incremental way, and then he says well. What about the big sewage dumped from basically an accidental situation in Burlington nobody likes to see a city dump. It's raw sewage into into lake champlain. That's a bad scene there, but just for the logic of the thing I have to ask if you're going to have a city, you have that kind of an accident. It's wastewater treatment system. What is a better situation? Having that happened plus. Less environmentally friendly lawn care going on all over the state or that have having that happen without the less with a with more environmentally friendly log care going on all over the state. What do you make of that? Well I I. You know it's not an either or I think we know we basically we need to improve to avoid this kind of failures and overflows in our system but healthy lawn care to the extent that you've got run off healthy lawn care. It's going to help with that and I think that you know we have to. Think about each our our individual roles in in this effort to would do an nutrient loading and pollutants going into our waterways, and that's what the lawn care. Program is all about these their steps that everyone can readily take to. If you have a lawn or any property that you care for there are actions that we can all individually tape, and at the same time we really need to support investments in our wastewater treatment facilities to ensure that they are upgraded and bad. Can handle the flood. So not not an either or I think. The key words right at the top of your answer to the question then. Let me Let's see I think we need to go to a brief break here on the day. Graham show on wd E FM and all. We don't need a break. Okay, apologies. let's Let's just continue with. Let's see if we have another caller on the line of leave Forbes from from Carinthia's calling in. Loop. There I guess. Everyone likes a pristine lawn and subplot Blah and everything else. What consideration is involved in? Those are. Are Monarchs various other things to survive on red clover and various other. That's that's a really good question for us, so let's let's go. Let's go. Let's go to Laurie on. On on that one as well Lori. What do you know about about the effects of lawn, care and lawn mowing etc on pollinators. Think part of our the circuits here is Having diverse vegetation on any property that you own and lawns. Are there really monoculture so We're not from loading The lawns per se, but if you do have a lawn were noting how to keep, it is as. Healthy as possible and and help it absorbed nutrients but having. Diverse Vegetation Knicks on your lawn and you know is is really good so having red clover in the mix not just grass is a sign of a of a healthier system, so that's another thing that we're trying to promote it same time emphasizing what the the cutting levels and cutting your lawn. If you have it to three inches, serving those clippings on and removing only the grass weighed, but. More vegetated more diverse vegetation buffer systems with native vegetation and also serving pollinators, really good thing an important thing for. Anybody, who owns property to to consider when you're thinking about how you manage how you? You the land that you own. and I'm wondering Chris Definite. Maybe you could, maybe you can. Help us with this one, but I hear occasionally from friends, and even some family members that The whole idea of lawns is kind of maybe. outdated in something we need to get away from. What are some alternatives if somebody has a? Owns home. They bought ten years ago and they're tired of mowing the lawn and they really have Su- questions about whether a lawn is the best way to go and terrorists have just what you want for your environment on your property Are People transitioning away from lawns and and. What are some strategies there so? Yeah, so there's some some beautiful strategies actually speak to the previous callers question about pollinators roses to install what's called the rain garden, so that would be depressed area in your lawn complaint plants that are flowering plants that liked to have their feet, a little bit wet, and so you can direct water into that area. Moving that area from being grass, and allowing it to be a landscape area of. Flowers and other plants. There's also the option you plant trees, and those will also be absorbing water helping in a similar way of what our campaign raise. The blade is talking about and again. The size of your grass, a third option in one that you'll hear about sometimes when people have shoreline properties in trying to minimize the amount of open area that is exposed to the shoreline for minimizing erosion. You can have a walking. Patsy might choose to have sin. Native Grasses in most of your yard. Then go a pass where you often want to be your want to walk. And that can help to minimize the amount of work that you're doing. Giving pollinators some extra flowering. Plants to? Nourish them and also. You Beautiful, That's that's interesting might have to devote a segment of the show. Sometimes this idea that I know some people promote their of actually you know shifting away from lawns and having having yards go to sort of more natural, less manicured, look and environment, and so on and I'm just sort of curious about it's. Not just come on grass now. Come on, folks. But. Definitely yes, or to reviled these places and to provide greater diversity in the vegetation that will also hold nutrients and and hold the soil, but also provide better habitats of getting at that question about the pollinators, but also for for wildlife as well. Fascinating and I'm wondering lorry in in terms of the. Runoff into Lake champlain and so on, people think about the their yards lawns give us a couple of other. Tips for minimizing your own impacts on on runoff into the lake. I mean it sounds like a healthier lawn is something that will help. Are there other steps? Homeowners needed need to take just to to try to reduce the amount of. Pollution heading forward heading downstream. Most sure and Chris touched on this earlier just about the rain. Gardens DEDICATED BUFFER STRIPS WANNA. Think about that lawn as a sponge and a you're a you're or that landmass as a potential for sponge to absorb one and nutrients and so by. Rain, gardens that depressed Galea's that he can plant with the diversity of plants that would absorb things rather than half it runoff, particularly running off onto hard surfaces we are. It's not going to get absorbed, and it will just go untreated into waterways so anything that's going to help absorb. The nutrients and the water is going to be a value. Add on your properties so planting trees, the buffer strips of diverse vegetation and then WanNa think native to and you WanNa think. Planting a diversity. Of Plants so that. You. Don't how again a monoculture system like lawn. The all those things will help you the rain gardens. Rain barrel to of to catch the water. That's running off from the hard areas on your rooftop anytime. We pay things over in terms of the sidewalk, a a driveway a A walking path or you rooftop. You were limited you. You're not allowing absorption so rain barrel will catch was coming off the rooftops, and you can use them for your garden. You can use them for your plants in. It's been pretty dry so far and I'm in my my rain barrel on using to water new planting trees shrubbery, Cetera. Laurie Fisher I got to interrupt you there and. Let. Folks know that we are about top of the hour and out of time for the segment I. WanNa. Thank Laurie Fisher of the Lake Champlain Committee as well as Chris Stephanie of the UVM extension for being my guest this morning on some environmental improvements, you can make in lawn care. Thank you very much for your for your time and information this morning. Top of the hour break for some CBS News. Let's go to Let's go to that. We'll be back shortly. Folks, we'RE OPENING UPSTAIRS AT THE WARREN STORE FOLLOWING CDC guidelines. We will allow three people at a time from ten to four Friday Saturday and Sunday and eleven to three Monday and Thursday until further notice, or you can email Lori L. O.. R. I. AT Warren Store. Dot Com to make an appointment. There's lots of summer clothing at fifty percent off outside and new spring merchandise upstairs. Please wear a mask. We have disposables and we will be selling organic wired ones from product think-tank. We'd love to see you stay safe mainstream Warren village. Now back to the nape. Graham show on Wd, FM and am. Sustained with US folks into the second hour of our program on this Tuesday morning July seven. Twenty twenty and Peter King CBS News joins. US Good Morning Peter Hi. You have a couple of interesting stories today. All the coronavirus stories always pretty much top story of the day in recent months, but you're also talking about. So first of all, let's go to the coronavirus situation. and I understand where you are in Florida. It is not good well. It's not good. We had more than sixty three hundred new cases reported yesterday. We are waiting for today's numbers. and the interesting thing here is that the age of people getting sick. He's dropping dropping dropping further evidence that you know this latest surge which caused by people partying like it was January when things started opening up Memorial Day weekend, younger people going Mars restaurants having big parties. those kinds of things, so the median age is in the Mid Thirties, but The governor told us yesterday that. Most of the people who are getting sick right now. seem to be around age twenty one, so you know they're not wearing masks. They're not They're not. Doing social distancing, and as I said they're partying like it's January and not in the middle of pandemic. So that's a big problem here and it's A. It's been a big problem in. Other southern states like Texas and Arizona Out West in California where they have rolled back a number of the rules and they've done. That's individual communities. They've done that here, too. Now, is there any talk of words or actions being taken? I have trouble keeping track of overall. The different states are doing but. Some of them, actually saying now whoops. We opened up too soon. We get a close up again well. Not Quite there, but you know we've gotten kind of close to that. A couple of instances there have been rollbacks in California where they've for evidence, somethings like indoor dining. That sort of thing taxes is rolled back a bit and now as a face mask requirement, Greg Abbott the governor had resisted that for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks here in Florida well. The bars are shut down, but they're no longer allowed to sell alcohol for down service, so they may as well be shut down. and a number of communities have put their own rules into effect. Miami Dade has rolled back a lot of the a lot of the dining options there and said. No more inside seating. In fact, they were going to prohibit outside seating then change their mindless late last night because outside, it's okay. or at least. Risky. Yeah, that's my understanding. Is that is if you are do outside activities? You're actually better off than and you know. That brings to mind the whole comparisons of trying to make a couple of weeks back about the The rally president trump was hosting Tulsa versus outside demonstrations in the George Floyd's death, and and it turned out. It seems that there. The rally was riskier proposition than than the. The protests and and one of the big things people point to in that regard is just that the protests were basically all outside and Rally of course was in that arena. A lot of the protesters were wearing face masks. That's true to. Arena in Tulsa or took a look at Some of the activities that trump had this past weekend like almost nobody was wearing face masks indoors at Tulsa or outdoors at Mount Rushmore or DC and yeah, it's less risky outside. If you're still in close proximity to somebody and people were sitting next to each other at all those events. It can still spread. Doctors said that so you know Yeah, they're. They're able to said he got necessary risks and will find out if that comes to pass. For sure he I wanted to check in about baseball, so that was on the list of areas. You're covering today and. Tell us what is going. Are we having I guess it wouldn't be Spring Training, but summer training right now or something right now. Well, yeah, two of the camps are shutdown, though because the both the Astros and national said they were concerned because they weren't getting. Their test results back in a timely manner, and they've already had players test positive. There have been a number of players and personnel who tested positive all over the sport and. And there are players who have expressed doubt that they should be playing this season because of that. You've already had some stars like David Price. Opt Out. Nick marquesses opted out of the season. Some of the nationals of opted out, but those really are are among the biggest names you've had stars like Kole Calhoun. The diamond backs Freddy Freeman of the braves. Joey Gallo of the Rangers have all tested positive for for Cova night, themes and General Manager Mike Rizzo the nationals. Basically railed on MLB for the slowness of the tests MLB responded saying as of yesterday. More than ninety five percent of the tests are done. All those people tested are now being tested every other day, and the remaining number of outstanding tests were supposed to be completed yesterday as well so you know we'll see what kind of effect that has on the teams that have shut it down, but look. It's a scary. Scary situation and there are a number of players who are still all the Fed says to whether they really WanNa play this season. They don't WanNa take a risk of infecting their families, their children, their their spouses there are other players who seem to be okay and You know it'll be interesting to see how this unfolds in the next couple of weeks as they hopefully get back to play if it's safe. Yeah. I guess they're talking about an opening day. July twenty third game scheduled between the nationals and the New York Yankees in Washington from one understand, yes, and the giants and the dodgers play later that night out in Los Angeles and I know they're of interest where you are the red. SOX they will be at home hosting the Orioles. Not Thursday but on Friday the twenty four th. And what I mean! They're talking a sixty game season. That's going to be pretty odd. We're already going to be passed to the All star break which is typically would be about this week or so well. Game show that doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, are they? Just I mean I was GONNA ask. Are they thinking about an all-star break in September or something or Delete no, no, not not at all. They're already dealing with a pretty compressed timeframe and actually up here of playoffs here, so You know they're not gonNA. Take any CADA break. That's basically going to be sixty games in I. Think Sixty four days something like that. Yeah Wow. Okay, well I! Wish them luck I mean. I know that you know people love their baseball. Leave loved their other sports. You know the NBA's been trying to figure out a way back. And of course, the NFL season is just over the horizon. And all you gotta look at that stuff and just hope that these are these these activities and all the fan. The Games and PEOPLE WATCH THEM ON TV. It's a huge part of American life and it's it is. A the NBA. Teams are starting to to Disneyworld down here in Orlando today, but sixteen shutdown their practice. After. Their players had positive tests. So you know again I. It's a real wildcard and I. Don't think you can say with any. That this is all going to come off as planned and hope for. The most important thing is if they're gonNA do it do it safely. Yeah and don't just assume because you want to reopen or get things going again that. That that the covert GonNa make any any accommodations for you. That's that's what people kind of assumed about. Bars and restaurants opened again so the Kobe sorta has to go away, but guess what hasn't. Gets not magically disappearing as some people said that it would. Well there you go king, CBS News thank you so much for joining me this morning it's. Talking with you, thanks for having me on, and by the way you said hot and humid up there I heard how hot and humid. Own It's actually in this week it's been. Absolutely perfect has been like in the seventies not very humid. Last week we had some hotter ninety ish, and it's supposed to actually get up to around ninety again by Friday. But I know you're laughing at me. You know that because you're in Florida, we've been in the mid nineties with feels likes in the hundred, so you know what I remember Vermont. Able and I hope you guys get some of that cool weather and and hang onto it and all right. We're just GONNA. Dream about cover up. They're. Very good things. Okay you, too. We have been occasionally dipping into. Legal analysis here on the day Graham Show recently as the New York. US Supreme Court has been coming out with several key rulings recently this time of year when they them in the fruits of their labours appear, and sort sorta almost harvest, season or something for for big legal decisions out of the Supreme Court, because they are getting ready to go in the summer break in. They WANNA wrap up the business for the year so there issuing lots of big decisions recently, one came up last week. Actually might have an interesting impact here in Vermont it involves. Public funding. That ends up going to support students who are going to religious schools. Historically that's been a pretty fraught to. Process that when that has happened, it has resulted in. Legal cases over the years from people who argue that there shouldn't be any support for from the public from taxpayers for. Religious endeavors. You know the first First Amendment. begins with the words. Congress shall make no law. Respecting an establishment of religion meaning basically that unlike England, which has the Church of England and And historically got public support. The framers of the US Constitution and the author of the bill of Rights wanted to the office of the bill of rights wanted to make sure. that. There wasn't gonNA be any sort of state supported and state-sanctioned etc. Church state required as as religion is in has been some points in history we. The the framers didn't want that. They want freedom. For. Folks to to basically worship, as they wish to not have to support religions to which they did not adhere. And they're also at the same time. Just the next phrase Congress. Make a law respecting an establishment of religion. Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, and that meant basically that folks were allowed to pursue whatever religious faith they wanted to or didn't want to at Sarah and. The The the balancing test, there's always been one that people who admire that part of the first. Amendment I think many of them. That the government's ideal position on the whole question of religion should be neutrality should be one in which people. Are To pursue their faith as they wish, but also don't get government support for doing so so when it comes when when we get into the realm of schools and occasionally parochial schools, religious schools want wants to participate in programs, benefiting abroad. Range of kids The question then becomes. Do they get to to they? Do do kids from rice memorial. Memorial High, school a Catholic, affiliated school in South, Burlington get to participate in a state funded program called dual enrollment in which the students from high schools around Vermont to enroll in college courses Get get some college credits out of the way for no cost to them. Nice State Program one which folks at Rice argued should be available to all students including there's. And others argued that no, in fact, because rises as a religious affiliated school They don't qualify for a publicly funded program like that while. Montana was decided last week by the US Supreme Court and. On a similar issue, there are some differences we'll talk about those and let. Let's get into some of the details here with three people far more expert than I and. Ask if I have gotten most of what they've been saying right so far Going to be talking to Peter Teach out of professor of constitutional law at Vermont Law School and Professor. Thank you very much for joining us this morning. Good Morning Dave. I'll try to help except pretty complicated area, but you've laid out. The basic ground rules pretty pretty helpfully I think. We also have Dan Richardson News our regular legal analyst on the day Graham Show. He's former president of the Bar Association and he is the very active attorney in my. Is helps us understand on our show quite often. What's going on in the Law Dan? Thanks, thanks for waiting in this morning as well. Short of great. Leader And finally mill more is the executive director of an outfit called the Vermont Association of. Independent, schools and He's a strong advocate for. Independent schools including religious schools participating to the extent possible in receiving receiving public aid, because these are these are kids, who, on these schools and so mill more. Thank you very much joining me. Inviting me. And so let me start with with you Mayo. 'cause I kinda to get your reaction first off. To this to this decision in the case of. Espinosa versus the Mayan Montana Department of revenue came out of the US Supreme Court last week and Do you think first off, are, are you? Are you elated? Are you intrigued? What's your reaction to the decision? And and and and are you hopeful that it might help your causing Vermont? Well. I approached this from a more factual basis. Dave rather than saying that I'm elated or disappointed I'm just interested in what it means for students in Vermont, and my is that of the. Fifty. Some odd districts that have school choice I think only perhaps fifteen or so of them are close enough to a religious school. You know within commuting distance that there might be some possibility. Of students going to a religious school, and out of those districts of roughly five hundred students are now being tuition so some small fraction of that five hundred students Potentially could take advantage of this if it holds up now I think it's still a matter of interpretation and professor teach out. We'll probably address this pretty directly that the Vermont Constitution and the US Constitution or somewhat different. but I think in terms of Vermont The impact is likely not to be very much at all. The fact is likely to be not a not very much at all. That's that's interesting Let me go to Peter Out Peter, do you? Would you agree with that analysis that we were expecting? Not much of an impact in Vermont, or do you think that there is some some element or elements of this? This new decision that could could have an effect here. Well. It's a little bit difficult to hear. What more mill more just shed of on on this line but I I'm taking it that you are summarizing his basic position. I think it's important. To start off by recognizing their two. Quite distinct constitutional provision that have. Relevance here one is the the religion provision in the United States Constitution. But there's also a provision in state constitutions. Including reminds that prohibit to one extent or another taxpayer dollars going to be used to support religious activities religious worship. Were they just indoctrination? one of the crucial differences between. The Espinoza case involving the Montana Constitution and Vermont. Situation is that the Vermont Constitution has a very different type of provision prohibiting the use of taxpayer dollars to support religious education or religious worship In Constitutional Law. The basic difference is the Montana probation is one very similar to thirty eight other state constitutions that absolutely prohibits. Any sort of taxpayer, a government aid to religious institutions based simply on their status as religious institutions. As under the Vermont, Constitution and Vermont. Provisions similar to. Provision and twenty nine other states. They basically provide that no taxpayer show be forced or compelled to ship work any form of religious worship or education that is contrary to the taxpayers conscience, so that's called a compelled support. Revision it doesn't prohibit across the board. Government aid to religious institutions were students attending religious institutions. It only prohibits being compelled to ship work religious. Religious Education and religious worship, so there's a very crucial difference between the Vermont. Constitution the Montana Constitutional provision that was involved in the espionage occasion. So, really it sounds like the Montana provision in this no aid. Parisian. I think you call it in an email to me a direct. The state government should or shouldn't do in this case. It should not and must not provide any any assistance to to the to the religious school in this in this kind of a case, and in in Vermont case. NO COMPELLED SUPPORT It really focuses on instead of if I'm correct the role of the taxpayer and and and you. You can't ask the ask a tax payer to. To help support a Religion he or she does not here, too. And I'm wondering. You know as a practical matter professor teach out. At. What is the difference here? Because it seems like all of all of Vermont's Vermont State, governments, activities, and every time it gives aid. Somebody is using taxpayer money. It's using money raised from tax, payers and so How does that not end you up in the same place where you're basically taking money from from? A taxpayer who may be does not support. The religious teachings that ended up being supported when the state does give some kind of aid to students at a religious school. Well there was an interesting -cation Vermont. I think it was ninety seven and back back in the last century, but not that long ago in which the town of Chilton objected to having to provide tuition support for students attending amount. Shame Joseph's in Rutland. And the United Excuse me the Vermont Supreme Court said the problem with the Vermont Law that requires towns to provide tuition to private religious schools. Is that there are no protections against connect spare money, being used to support actual religion, clashes or religion worship within those private schools, but if those protections were in place the Vermont, constitutional provision would not necessarily be violated. Because you wouldn't be supporting religious worship or religious education, you'd just simply be supporting types of education in those private religious schools. It was unrelated to religious education religious worship, so that's a line that both the United States supreme. Court and the Vermont Supreme Court have drawn in common that is. state laws that prohibit. Aid to religious institutions simply because they are limitless institutions based on their status. Are of questionable constitutionality on the other hand. State laws that say taxpayer dollars show not be used to fund religious. Religious Education religious worship might well be upheld as constitutional and I might say Dave that was based on the Vermont Constitution. which goes all the way back to the late. Eighteen hundreds, and at that time there was a strong feeling that it's almost a religious nature. Person's relationship to God is a personal one. person's relationship, his or her religion is a personal one, and it violates something really fundamental if somebody is required to support religious indoctrination and theology that you don't adhere to. That is that's really an interesting distinction there and it sounds like the if if has a class, or you know just picking. Rice because they're involved in this litigation currently, but I. If. They have a class in I. Don't know English poetry or something and and it has no religious content to speak of that state aid could go there but not not not to the school in general we're. or I mean it would have to be shown that it wasn't being used for religious purposes. Is that right? That's what the Vermont Supreme Court held and not in okay. I need to pause and take a brief break for some bottom of the hour news from CBS. Couple words our. And when we return, we'll be back with With Peter Teach Dan Richardson and mill more to have continue this discussion about. Public funding for religious schools. WE'RE OPENING UPSTAIRS OF THE WARREN store. Following, CDC guidelines we will allow three people at a time from ten to four Friday Saturday, and Sunday and eleven to three Monday and Thursday until further notice, or you can email Lori L. O. R. I. AT WORN STORE DOT COM to make an appointment. There's lots of great summer clothing fifty percent off outside and new spring merchandise upstairs. Please wear a mask. We have disposables and we will be selling organic wired ones from product think-tank. We'd love to see you stay safe. Mainstream warned village. newsradio WD FM and am now back to the day, Bram show. By guests are bill more of the Vermont Association of Independent Schools Peter Teach out. He's a professor of constitutional law. For my law. School Dan Richardson is. One of our. He's a regular legal analyst on the day Ramsey show, and is also a a former president of the bar. Association very active attorney in my appear Dan, WANNA. Bring you into the conversation here and ask you to give us your thoughts about this distinction between. And Vermont on the question of public support for that ends going to religious schools or students. Do I have it roughly right that that under the Vermont, legal system, the constitution and the support of the accord interpretations that it is permissible for the state, some state aid to go to programs at a religious school, which are not religious in nature themselves. You can imagine a I suppose a a program Let's say were the. Somebody wanted to support shop classes at the religious affiliated high school, and and the high school was able to say. We're not making any religious icons shop class. We're making tables and chairs, and maybe doing some drafting and electron or whatever Zach permissible under the robot system Dan. It is in professor. Teach at you, know obviously I think Described this very well, a what I can add is the Vermont Supreme Court actually has recently upheld this distinction in Taylor versus town of Cabot, which I? represented the town of cabin and that involves historic preservation grants. To preserve the united. Church of CABOT building at the town had had given in the supreme. Court found that that was did not violate compelled. Support caused because the preservation work was being done to the building instructor itself as a historic building, not to the sanctuary or to the religious components of the building, and it was willing to make that distinction and is very much the distinction that the US Supreme Court has done the case on which Espinosa is based or relies heavily upon is a case knows Trinity Lutheran in which the US Supreme Court found it to be unconstitutional to withhold funds from a Christian daycare for Money to refurbish the playground. It was a grant of playground refurbishment that. They were denied because they were religious institution, and this is I, think the distinction that a lot of The court really hinges upon which is. A religious institution shouldn't be discriminated against simply because it is a religious institution, so if it is a otherwise secular activity that does not involve religious Issues or indoctrination, or education? it should be you know, and just because they are religious entity doesn't shouldn't stop them from receiving, said public money if there's general public benefit that's consistent with the grant itself. and that seems to be where both the US Supreme Court in the Vermont Supreme Court is likely to to land on these going forward I think the other case that sort of the guardrail on the other side, is a two thousand four case that the US Supreme Court. ruled upon actually Chief Justice Rehnquist. Ruled upon it, and it was the lock case. Dealt with A scholarship To for for various colleges, somewhat similar to I, think the dual track program here in here in Vermont, but it was, it was denied because. The person seeking it was seeking it for religious a degree in religious holiday. You know beating training to become a minister and he wants to bring court said no, that's justified not to grant that because that would be basically the public paying to have a minister. Created, and that kind of direct contributions to the ministry are allowable to be outside of public funding to be stopped from being funded by the public, and so you know it's it's an interesting line and I think he can get very finely cut. in certain situations, but in general I think has been osas along that line. Of limiting what states can and cannot Withhold, from simply because institutions religious institution. Mill more of the Vermont Association of Independent Schools I'm wondering. Let's imagine a case. In which a student at Rice. Memorial High School decides to editor. The dual enrollment program is accepted into the program and it says I WANNA take a couple of classes while I'm still in high school before you get my diploma, WanNa take the classes at the University of Vermont Easy Commute from rice just a couple miles at the most. and and and the student says I go to the University of Vermont to take these couple classes. So far we're. We're in safe territories that right in terms of the the way, the jurisprudence were is working out so far. I don't know about the jurisprudence like give you opinion on that. In my understanding of how that issue works on the dual enrollment. The money goes to the student to the school. So If a student wants to take a dual enrollment course. Let's say it. Is Somebody attending rice high school and they want to attend a class up at the University of Vermont. The money goes to the student to the school, so there doesn't seem to be any problem with any kind of constitutional. Provisions here if the money was paid to the school itself like to Rice Memorial High School, that would be different, but that's a clear distinction there that that's not happening, so we'll enrollment I don't think gets into any kind of dangerous territory with respect to constitutional distinctions between Church and state. No I guess the the, and this would only been aghast because I haven't really thoroughly familiarized myself with a dual enrollment program I'm to guess when the check is cut, it actually goes to the University of Vermont which is actually the place where the classes being held I mean that's what that's what the money is for, so the class can can so that student can enroll in the class is is that is that cases actually go? The money. Okay! Here's an interesting wrinkle here. I understand also that when when the students enrolling in very looking around at various colleges. Say I think I'll take a couple of college classes while I'm still in high school on the list of eligible schools for that is saint. Michael's which has over in Colchester. and Saint Michael's Courses Catholic affiliated school. We back in the. Back in the super for that one Dan Richardson. What do you think there's one other constitutional issue here that we really should touch on just briefly and that is. In Vermont Constitution every Vermont resident. Has a constitutional entitlement to publicly supported education. so if if for example you live in a school choice district, which doesn't have a school. Then, how was that entitlement fulfilled? While the way the state has decided to fulfill entitlement is to give school choice so a student. Make pick any school that they wished to attend and the state. Pays the bill now. The state does put a cap on the amount of money. It will pay to an independent school, but it doesn't put a cap on the amount of money that you would pay to a public school. that's interesting and okay, so so in that scenario the the tuition student. The one who's says I don't have a high school in my own town I'm Gonna I'm GonNa have my town. Pay Some tuition so that I can go to high school in the neighboring town. High School in the neighboring town happens to be and. Pick on the Catholic schools. Let's say it's a baptist school of some kind or or its Jewish Academy whatever Would we run into a problem there? Milk well now. We're back to what you were discussing with professor teach health. But, if if that was a non sectarian school, it would be no problem. Right. Sectarian school that that that does you would. You would agree that that does create creative. Well, I think professor teacher was saying I. Think I tend to agree with what he was saying is that there seems to be a distinction between the compelled support clause in the Vermont Constitution and what the US Supreme Court was doing in their reasoning them. I haven't had a chance to really work through that carefully. Okay let me let me ask professor teach out about this question of the dual dual enrollment program and the the student who is enrolled in the school in the dual enrollment program. could be I mean. Let's imagine if from any for Burlington high school and they say I wanNA take a couple of classes at Saint. Michael's is there. Are there any issues there in connection with the fact that you know? The money eventually goes to say Michael's to pay for the students enrollment there. it's a Catholic affiliated school any issue there. I if there is an issue, it would have to be challenging that provision under the state constitution. Men As attorney Rick, Trajan, said if the money, the tax supported. Dollars are being used to support religious courses or religious activities. Then that would violate the Vermont Constitution, but if you're talking about advanced courses in biology. Being offered by Saint Michael's advanced courses in math science literature. I don't think there would be a successful challenge under the Vermont Constitution. Is the Supreme Court has interpreted that because again under the Vermont Constitution, it's not the status the religious status of the institution. It's whether there are protections against taxpayer dollars being used to support religious activities, worship or education. That's my view. Yeah, that's that's really interesting and and Let me ask Dan Richardson. If someone were to challenge. You know someone who's a real kind of strict instructions, Mr something on the topic of I. Don't WanNa see a single dollar on my to of my tax dollars going to sport anybody having anything to do with religion. You know I'm a I'm a I'm a dyed-in-the-wool atheist or something and I really oppose the idea of religious education and I. Don't WanNa see this and I and I. Would, would Vermont's in imagine the case then goes up to the US Supreme Court in which Vermont's sort of standard here this no, no compelled support standard, which does allow for some assistance to people affiliated with religious schools, providing that the content of what they're doing is not religious How would how do you think Vermont's law? Current law would stand up in the in at the US Supreme Court given that court's. Jurisprudence on this type thing over the years. I think I i. think it would actually fair a little bit much better than the Montana. provisions professor. Each had indicated before. You know these no support clauses in about thirty eight states are much newer. Version. and they were adopted. You know. They were adopted around the time where there was a fear of Catholicism and they're often referred referred to as the plane amendments because they were promulgated at a time where there was sort of an anti-catholic push To protect the states and as a result, they have been seen. You know they've been a target for people looking to expand. the rights of religious schools or religious institutions to receive public funding. In some form or another, the no compelled support clause which I think about twenty three states have dates back to the. In Vermont particularly dates back to the seventeen seventy six Pennsylvania. Constitution and you know. These have largely stood the test of. and I think. The reasoning that the Vermont Supreme Court has. Given in the series of cases where it's happened to review the no compelled support are are fairly consistent with what the US Supreme. Court has given and just in direct answer to your question. You know that was the exact issue in Taylor versus cabinet is you had to individuals who felt very very strongly against use of these town funds for historic renovation. Because the institution itself was a religious institution, and they made the argument. That will you give a dollar here? That means you free up a dollar for them elsewhere, too to conduct religious education, or service or worship, so it's a it's a it's a wash. It's effectively freeing up that money for them to do that. Relief work in the in the Vermont Supreme Court said no, that's that we're not gonNA look. At that at it that way, we're not gonNA make that leap and of logic and inference We're just GONNA look at what is the grant going to And what does it do and and is this supporting a religious proposition because it isn't in that case or you know if you can show that, it's not going towards either religious education or further and stuff religion, and you know in the Taylor case. We made a the. Church was able to show that this was going for the siding on the outside. Not for the sanctuary or you know refurbishing a religious symbol of some kind you know, and because of that the court said it's fine and I think the US Supreme, court would would largely find along the lines of of the Trinity Decision and Espinosa and and looking the lock decision from two thousand four. That says you know really only if you're clearly supporting a religious education or religious training ministers doing that type of activity now, what's going to be interesting to see where the Supreme Court draws the line beyond Espinosa? The important in Taylor has drawn a line. That's fairly robust in its protection, but the US Supreme Court may draw the line a little bit more circumspect, which is, you could see them making a distinction between You know the education of a minister and sort of incidental Religious Education so for example you match parochial parochial school where ninety five percent of the instruction is secular biology history English etc, and five percent is chapel and catechism. and then then. You know the US Supreme Court could easily make to say well it. That's an incidental. That's that's peripheral to the main function of that education, and that should not invalidate and that would be different. I think than the Vermont Supreme Court. I think the. Court, in its jurisprudence has shown a willingness to die much closer to the actual expenditure of of the money. Not to look beyond what it necessarily you know Bypasses you know or allows freeze up as far as money goes. But if the money itself goes to religious instruction, it would, it would take issue, but the US Supreme Court may draw that line a little bit more grayer. A wonder, if well let me let me let me ask. Let me ask no more in terms of the Vermont's independent schools and religious schools How cognizant are the religious schools you talk to of the? Of the nature of We need we need. We need to are any of them thinking Lonzo longlines are do we need to Sort of ended our programming in a way that doesn't. Doesn't raise this issue of having compelled support for any kind of religious indoctrination Imagine State Grant Going Out Sport Physical Education, and each gym class I, Dunno begins with the prayer or something in this particular school, and or each class used to begin with a prayer in the school has decided. We're going to stop that practice in in order to make sure that the Kim classes are eligible for the physical education state grants You know without without raising any any concerns here our our people cognizant of all this, or or is it, or is it more matter of just people are out there living their lives and occasionally issues. Come up and deal with event. I'm not quite sure how to address that because I think the question of whether or not public money can go to these schools. has become more complicated in light of what the US Supreme. Court has just decided. Everybody up until now has been operating on the presumption that public tuition funds could not go to independent schools period but now that's been called in question and there's some heard from professor. Teach out there some some It's a complicated question. It's not black and white as as the US Supreme Court might have thought it to be. so everybody is rethinking where they're at. So actually that that that is, that's a crucial point. There mill more in in wondering. Okay so right now. We have this system in Vermont that allows A. Public School kids to go to an independent school when their own community doesn't how high school let's say. and one of the I'm sure Calculus is that happen when families and students are thinking about? Where am I? Going to school is You know I'm I'm in town accident I've got I've got three four schools. I could conceivably pick to go to school now. now. There's this other school which is a Catholic school. Let's say or other religiously affiliated school. Also nearby And and up until now those that the religiously affiliated schools have been off the list of picks, the the family could choose and expect to get tuition reimbursement from their their own towns right. That's correct. Yeah and so is this. Does this ruling espionage actually make people think all of that might be changed that we could. End Up adding the adding the religious school to the list of choices that student was was looking at. Yes! I think so and then there probably will be a challenge in Vermont Supreme Court to see exactly how it's GonNa, work in Vermont. Professor Peter Teach out. What do you think about that? Is that is that? Is that a coming thing? Well Dave it was interesting. When the dual enrollment program was being considered by the state legislature, there were two question. was if the state wanted to provide eligibility to participate in the dual enrollment program by students, attending private schools and private religious schools. Could it do show without violating the Vermont Constitution or the Federal Constitution? And the basic basic view was as long as there are protections in place to ensure that participation in those classes would not. Be Participating in clashes that are religious. Clashes there would be no problem under either the state or the Federal Constitution now. Vermont decided not to go that way. Instead it decided to restrict eligibility for students attending what the what the legislature called approved independent schools. That meant that no private religious schools students attending private religious be able to participate, but there might be some other private independent schools that are also not approved, so the legislature was trying not to draw the line on whether the school the student was attending was religious or not, but whether or not it was approved, and no more no more than I do about what schools might be covered. That are not private religious schools for example. The Vermont Academy in Jackson's river covered or not Green Mountain, valley, school those schools also covered even though they're not religious and therefore students attending those schools are not eligible i. just don't know. Yeah. That's that is interesting mill more. Do you think that the legislature made a distinction no or was trying to avoid the religion questioned by saying that we're going to. We're going to approve disapprove schools for inclusion in the Roman program, perhaps based on other criteria. It's all it's hard to gauge. What legislative intent is because? There's a of legislation tours and. Yet, but you can only go on what the what the ultimate statute says. Which is the distinction between? Religious or, not, religious. While Dan Richards, and what do you think of we? Are we entering an age here? Where where? The Vermont tradition of tuition from towns without schools will will people will start to add to list the you know the nearest religious school. As an I guess I would. I would go back to one of mill. Moore's early point that You Know Vermont is not a particularly robust state for religious education There are along a lot of these towns that do. A school system that do tuition. Their students are in remote areas and They're small towns, and so you know I don't think practically the needle moves a lot, but this is a hot button topic and there's money behind the litigation, so I could easily see more types of challenges in the courts trying to open this up, not necessarily because they think it's going to move the needle in Vermont but because they're looking to move the needle nationally, or because it's hard of this national conversation and so. This is this does represent you know and the First Amendment, the establishment clause and the free exercise clause have sort of been these these sort of holes that that court the court has gone back and between and I think this is. This is the latest version of that, and with the changing or a composition of the US Supreme Court. Richardson thank you very much a mill more. Thank you very much for joining me this morning. Professor Peter Teach out for my law school. Thank you. That's about all the time. We have a gentleman. It's been really fascinating conversation. Spot for today's date Graham shows now for the news conference with Governor Phillip Scott other top officials on the Kobe Nineteen Response Talk Y'all tomorrow. Folks have good afternoon.

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LOVECRAFT COUNTRY Episode 8 & 9 Our Theories, and Details You Missed!

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LOVECRAFT COUNTRY Episode 8 & 9 Our Theories, and Details You Missed!

"They. Don't you see? Again around. Welcome. I gotTA started off just with that just so you know is us we're here I'm rob that's Greg Greg with underscores if you're nasty and this is a lovecraft country review show. We're a little behind from last week. So we're going to double it up. You know like Mace double up and nothing I was GONNA say like nipsy double up now I go living rappers but are to nips. points. Fine acknowledged but also you got to go with WHO's living. Okay. You say that. so Let's let's get into it. So we're. A speeding. Speeding towards the end of this season maybe series probably season of lovecraft country and we're just hitting episode nine penultimate episode and we're coming on episode ten this week. So for the sake of this podcast. We're going to review or giving give our feedback are takes one episode eight, nine episode. Is. What's the name episode again Jiggle Bobo. Bobo episode nine is called rewind. Nineteen Twenty One Greg. If you will give us a quick rundown of eight and then of nine. Oh we're doing back the back like that. Okay. So Eight Jiggle Bobo is where we find out in episode three the person name was Boba was Emmett till. Emma tells funeral as occurring in the summer of nineteen fifty five. We see day. WHO's the friend of Bobo also notice amid to is very upset and hurting and suffering as everybody around her is dealing with their own problems. D At the time is laundering around because she's frustrated she wasn't able to see her friends open casket. So. Let let me put that in a little bit. So Okay. We WanNA start off as Greg we're saying we start off with just at the funeral one of the lake hottest days and it's like pat everyone's there. And is terrible things shut down and it's it's two things that you know Montrose mentions the whole. This is kind of a right of passage and she needs to see it and people like do does you need to say in? No one's really taken into account in which is I, think the theme out of it. So no one's taking account how this girl feels that only. To, in there to see her friend is you're saying, but also the main point, a friend is dead. On top of that we're her parents are because in the end of episode seven, we have hip Elida is wrong. That is dead though she knows Aqua Georgia's day. Yeah. So please come to fuck face put some crazy spell on her that makes her see. Some crazy shit and basically told. US know when your mom's back. Yeah he cursed her in an alley ran up owner very much. So how the police gender run up young people young black people does it is. An Alley really fucking gross. I still rewatch casinos like I can't. have been thicker. fucking grows. Turkey board. So you don't have enough use kids start Joe. He had hit the COVID nineteen, fifty five, inch. Oh. God Kovic. That's what was saying she's in Cova Jiggle, boo Ya. So all three of our main characters well, technically four, all four main characters, which is Montrose Ruby. Laddy. Tech are taking all differently. Ruby went to Mr Williams Slash Christina's house to have that scene that we're. Probably we're going to just completely skip over for a little bit were probably get back to that later Letty is looking for D.. In Tech is looking for Christina so she can learn how to cast a spell. Take. Learns it while giving up the key to Robert Ory as we mentioned in episode seven? Well, Christina William and Ruby White girl decided to have the sex scene blah. Blah Blah. letty come. Home to find. Jia. Boy. And probably the most blinky. Miss it part of the episode for me. Sorry. So. My face and saying it all. So machos is the only one that's looking for D. at well, really looking for de Right. Now in D after being in cars is seeing. Characters, herring songs, a song called. Let me in in. She sees a character from uncle Tom's cabin by name a topsy and she has a friend named biopsy and they chase her around the whole city. Keep going or no. I. Think. That's the majority of what happened outside so I'm only missing a few parts 'cause I. Didn't know if you want to interject the none of them in and put them in. Let's get them in there. So as Montreal's is looking to Fowley cast a spell after he told to fuck off virtually literally Tokyo to fuck off Montrose. Tick, yeah sorry as. Comes to see Lottie he sees. G. Tells you the fuck off lead tells tick the fuck off and Runs. Until familiar person his dad. And they have a very. Cold But endearing heart the heart moment about mom. And take as it all out for what he saw in future. There's nothing in the future that I picked up on the second time I saw that episode, but we'll talk about that what we can episode. we find out that letty and tick as a sign named George. He wrote the book lovecraft country the book and show is different and the reason why is because the book carries the features of? Said of the book that is based off. And they basically differentiate between Lettie. Mae, while at the time a little bit before lead, he's talking to D. These telling her she don't feel so well, ladies very being very dismissive like she has. So where else to be at the moment which she meets Christina and she gets the mark of Cain for immunity. So she doesn't get hurt invulnerability. I'm sorry that's what it's. GonNa roll her ability. And Christina gets the. Book a page the book name pages that she was missing, which was titus. Pages. WHO Montross and take are learning how to spell machos came with the courageous words of not gonNA. Let nothing happen to you or my grandson now do everything about how even if that means I virtually. The POPO come over. To Lady's, House. And says, know we're GONNA fuck is that Robert Ory and she said it ain't here and they can't go in because they have that. Little Seal that happened in episode three. There okay. We can't go away. Let he looks at me Ha it can't come in and start shooting the shut up. Shoot the shit up Nigga. As, they're shooting their place up that he are her vulnerability spell works on her. Tickets outside letting freaks out that he tries to save him. The Monster. Don't know how to describe it. Call it Vanderberg picked the first to. The call it mandatory pig again. The Signature from the the first what to what have you? Down Eighty, they have a taste for police blood. And we see that happened yet again and I just want to wrap this up 'cause we run over when it comes to this particular thing and I want to get into the actual analysis of it. Okay. So You know just rampage and we see a as you call them. So eloquently, offs fuck as well. Have you off. So I think it's officer Lancaster heavy. He's being like like impaled Gorda or whatever you see someone get fucking launched and then The fucking. Monster is running up on. Taking letty. How the episodes? And he found out. Oh. Should it works Yeah the spell that Montrose and advocates were working on sale to. Yep Oh one more thing de Refund de. So we so we have we have the same. That's what happens we have seen where. D- Kinda has her her moment. Happy where basically she tells the police what everyone should tell the police fuck off fuck you pig and. It's back to the his back to what appears to be her dad's garage. What you? Where do you do the safety travel guide? In you know, has a plan to draw out topsy and Bob Boxy to just take Jackie. Robinson like bats swings with a pipe but she's the only one I could see see them. And to swinging wildly and is like just being attacked by the Montrose comes in there and tries to calmer down and save her but you can see that her skin is starting to change and decay. That's kind of how. Is left for her like a cliffhanger in. We can kind of see a bit of that and moving into the trailer for a episode nine. So. Let's let's break down a few things that we saw an air. Some analysis and see what we got as far as what's in this episode what are your takeaways? Well. There was two things that we think there was two things I didn't like in that episode and that was how Jia was. Virtually dare say I. Don't know and I didn't like be in Christina's dynamic at all anymore. Dank that's really if everything I was filed with. Okay then well, not pure. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. So yeah, I, think the the dynamic with them speak a bit on the dynamic instead of just you know from got. So, we find a sex scene sex scene where they both tied to their characters. Christina Stars the William. and. Ruby tires to what's her name. See, Heather. Give a shit. Karen. Nineteen fifty five Karen. Nine hundred fifty, five care and they have sex and she. Says out of their body. And back to Ruby. Rich. Yes. That was interesting and then have a brief conversation about Emmett till and virtually say you know fourteen year old got killed a d. feeling about it Christina says no and then when we get to the end of the episode, Christina. Does the weird in very tone deaf thing of Oh trying to beat yet like Intel socket see this evolved ability spell were. We're talented thing works for me. I don't know I. Don't know if that's what happened. I think they know I think she knows all the bells that she has out there the changing I, think she knows I think it was a terrible attempt to try to empathize with. What you said day mortality as well as. To try to empathize with it in but the way because again like I said before I, watched the show what my subtitles on. So this laugh crying thing. Maybe. It'd be pay the subtitle guy a little more to say look feelings or whatever. Instead of laugh crying because it's like, I don't know how to feel about this. Wasn't a little bit of laughter her I agree with you when it comes to that dynamic and if we look back at episode five, it's You know it's is really conflicted on what Ruby once. You know. You didn't seem like you WanNa you just. Almost it's. Almost has the appearance of you want the licensed to do whatever, and that has nothing to do with your skin color. Yeah. That has to do with your character, and if your character is such that you wanna like you know he'll rape negatives. and. Do things with a certain degree of impunity, which is kind of moving in trajectory we see that we we see that and it's It's lowering its intoxicating to see that shit works that you know when she goes over there initially in guy stops her and William comes out there just showing like as a white person. Can do whatever want no no Sir fuck off. You know. What was the other thing that you you weren't wasn't effective? Unlike the JERE thing. Like how she was came in and what was seen to be a good plot point just went away with Jira basically not knowing anything of the tech. Will. Not, even that was even Casado net she was like I'm sure you know and I know that they've had things since then because this is a couple of weeks ago now that. That me Chagrin, said, Oh, no, she's not gone far she. She's going to be there and you know it goes to my deeper thing in some of the things that they sacrificed to get across the. Cool bad ass moment or have you in the show and many attempts kind of fall flat my opinion. or The execution just isn't right whole episode of fun on both for us. So with Jia, they could have had her pop up like in that showdown. Molise. They could have had her pop up. You know we don't know what's going to happen ten, but we can have her pop up and then instead of just, hey, we're going to have her here for kind of nothing seen just to create drama and give kind of a malformed argument between. Ticket letting. You know for what happened in that scene between the two of them after Gi was it one show tickets being? He'll again. And it has it has him and letty having this kind of not argument. Like. Goes he needed to be hill in that moment? No no no. I'm just saying like we could have just without. Jia Why do we need him? He'll you know and especially considering. That she doesn't know that he knows that she's pregnant and she has a told him so plays out like, oh. Yes. Some girl on the side he told her to episodes ago and So I was like, what is this? What is this fucking? Key told her about Jia. But he didn't tell her everything about Chia and when she found out that. The nine tail spirit. That she's kind of like, Holy Shit Shit like dishonesty. Why didn't you tell me? That's not how that same played. Played Out I get that there was. The tuck it. It was like the scene was presented like you're being messy you need to go. That's the way the scene was presented. and. As, we'll see later episodes you touched on because we are so hold on let's say step back and other observations and air even in the scene with with with Diana in the alley after the has X. or the curse we see Rasta Crema week man with the creepy is I shouldn't have poster not a good look. I was like fall thaw. How's it going? It was Michigan. US and that's what I took. It is that's what the episode was in the episode A lot of people said that this episode was the nightmare on Elm Street episode because even with the claws, like you know Freddie popping up the way to the that either topsy autopsy popped up on Diane before she wrote to the police station, you can see the clause in the background and somehow they just Mr. I can. Actually. Say That and even the whole thing that no one else can see it and that none none of the parents can see which is. Yeah That's what I could see that. Yeah and but your thing and it was one other observation I had like we were talking about just let he's thing. Like everybody when it came to cause I, remember earlier in the episode when take was like, do we need to have this conversation right now at the at the funeral? Yeah and it was with regard to Diana. How this like? What is this like? Everybody knows what D- wants except the people that should be accessing what D- do you what do you need at this moment yet and it is like well, I know a friend day but also she needs to take account mom dat and Hoffarber. Lie It is a lot going on. Before it's like Montross is the only adult pencil actually doing something in that particular moment and I think previously and we'll see it again later rubies kind of the other like they're. They're let's surrogates and they're not really parents. They don't really have potentially any connection to this kid. Like rubies leggings, we'll do something we. I'm cooking and you know Mantras I. AM angry Black Man but which eager. Kick this door got some shit happened to me ironically modules. We've learned. So nine, we're going to see. is going be a shift. It's a very human at the moment for Montrose and I think we touched on it before. We're trying to tell me you know give them some slight because he was probably the only person that. Was Really Looking For D. at. The moment and I was. True you're right. Yeah. It's it's. Let's see any any other things that that happened in that episode, and we can move into the synopsis on Vk. Nutty. Christina had to talk and he she told Leti. LETI total ruby she's pregnant. and. Ruby told letty. Yeah, fucking. Christina. Christina will or whatever Christina will will smith? No. No. Body Christina Willie Christina Billy. Let's get it. Man. A laundry budget is crazy is blood everywhere and beat. Okay Tree. Look I mean that's how they change. One can take that that White Dick or whatever it was was so powerful, it turns people back to black women. So now. So I'm so nine episode on So that was the Forgetting. That was rewind ninety twenty one so. We could I think like based in it so we start off with Your fucking D D is not toward you look. Everybody. Virtually. Like. Yeah. You should disobey you should design. Great sequence just arguing. And Ruby slide wall. Did any day was like fuck of what did you knew you wild day across tale? From white sheet of all people sloppy. Margin Lavar Johnson. Light. Jesus. Yeah. So there it's on Montrose. Atticus. LETTY and Ruby. They're like in living Ross who fucking in. I think there and. They must be in. Much loader nobody sells. Army that was her coach. Okay. So they're they're they're basically pointing fingers were heavy and then some truth starts to cascade out. Because that's a key thing and actually we can intersperse stuff in here because this is more fresh. I Yep solutions in here I think I think now say nobody really impetus with each other in his show. Now it's rare in you know in this argument was very indicative of it. It was finger pointing. To his credit. Montrose is a very complicated character. Yes. Nowhere near how he isn't a book he's like a nobody in the book apparently and. It's When the whole thing comes up of about the pages. That's mentioned and it does not go well. No what happens in the state? So. They were. Trying to think of a way to get Christine over tech virtually says. She's seeking you on your nose when you say it. Let. Let let it. Take versus. I heard that guy though so two. So tech virtually say I have the pages titus. For the book names we can exchange that the kid. And let he's like well about that. So I tried to save year podcast and I tried to save your podcast by giving her two pages. She doesn't want to save you. She says, she wanted to save me. You know what's funny about it is like remember last week when they shot up my house. Yeah that's why I didn't think of her house because it was riddled with bullet holes. Like remember last shot up my house and hiding get hit at all about that. You. got a point there not point there. So. You don't even. Why wasn't a bullet stopped maybe they can come to the front door because they'll police bullets. So. We have this was have you and my man Montrose is like your. So my focus. A. He had a line in it that I paused walk around laugh. Tonight that was delivered. Like how many takes Zagazig was that the first one and the only one look man that's a very hard thing to say which is well as though which. Or just going to leave that for next up. On that shit end so Even after next episode. So he gets up with the spice like Yo, fuck you problem in Ruby gets off sucker not gonNA. Basically and she was like, well, she had a reason to do it as because a he was like. I yes. That's exactly what happened because she's she's she's keeping the secret. Yeah. No I don't give a shit like it's not even I'm conflicted. You know maybe. Like you don't think this. No. Yeah So. We get to. Go to bed necks. No. So what happened was ruby virtually says Christina will come. Christina, will come for me. Credits. Cover. So. Dennis funny. So Christina's there. Christina's virtually lie. Looks like How I can't get rid of the spell because. It's cast by. Captain Fuck face and he got there from the book of names and because. He. Put it. He started somewhere, right? Well, it is stored somewhere but essentially in. Terms of the mythos when it comes to like magic if someone that puts the heck zone, they gotta be the one that takes it off or you need something powerful. That's ultimately what we're getting that here. And So she she says that she can do a restorative thing, right? Yes. So what she do is she can reverse it, but the spell will come back. You'll set it she. Oh, she said it she in a factory reset on I'm going to rewind her skin. Comeback Right? She did a factory reset on she's like you used as lotion. used a small comb. You can get rid of it. But he always will come back. Up. There was one thing we miss and the one thing we miss was that they need the blood of Dis closys relative and at the time we can't find hip Elida. So D- assume. Relative is Montrose. The credits happened? They fumble that t a little bit because. The reason they fumbled is he not her uncle by blood? Yay But. As we learn later on that, she might have an older brother. That's okay. That's what they were getting enough. I'm saying he kind of fumbled like. 'CAUSE IT could've dislike well he. If they would've been some shit like. My blood. Good. You know some shit like that ain't going with for a minute. But yeah she might have older brother and their dynamic has been very much that you know from from the first episode then take that's pretty much been dynamic. So. We get to their own. We have a confession to make loans. Once we get to that point but so Montross and advocates are having a conversation mantra. Shrinking he's knocking back moonshine guy he is, and he has no idea what's in it and Tech Tacoma's hell's does. Never told me what was ended this. He calls the rose. You Call it the moon soul? Babies. So. The confession comes out the choice might be instead. And the heartbreak go fuck you local and face. It was like all that. Bullshit. It's It was justified. I mean there's so many secrets in his fucking household. Yes, and it's light day. When is enough is enough. and. They had their blow off moment where tickets basically like fuck you and. Trying to remember what happened after that this is when it comes in there. She is she slides in there. fucking delivering exposition. I mean you often do it. Hip Elida was to this episode was shack was to the two thousand Lakers. On. On agree. I. Assure a little bit They had to. Yeah. I don't give it that pays it better. Like I get your point. You're not wrong but it's like pace it betters like, yeah we had a character go the future. She was like two hundred years some shit in the future an earth one, fifty, five, something Urfa before so she wants to like no New Orleans. Does a reference in there. Somewhere. That's the father for your Code New Orleans. So she went down master P, and then she learned about like the. Other. She has to smoke sausage. And, she became a motherboard completely over done this time. So. Clean Blink. Stop It. So from they're they're able to get. Christina back right. No. What happened was Christina Christina's reversing spa as the saw transparent while WanNa make the point that what Diane Diana looks like now. Okay. John. Old, yes. They mercifully created legit caboodle. It was virtually that's what it was she. They try to create our Tabu and she's GonNa call him why this is happening by the way she. And she Is She's back looking normal I. Do want to point out one thing and that is an episode eight. We did see the person who gave Montross the book. And the person who gave Montrose the vote was along robotic arm. I wondering. Is that DNA future maybe. We. Will see this of. The based on because the the key thing that we saw, and that's why I was trying to get at earlier is her arm looked terrible like look like burnt jerky. And the question I have is, could they see that but not see her turning into dots because you know Diane? Ozzy 'cause they see that because I don't know you know what I mean yeah. Thank when she was reversing the curse. That's what are true self came out. I don't think they. Are I think they saw the almost up. Homer Oh, got our saying yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. Go like this you'll see like montrose start trying to do his best George impression. Yeah man that's how. Tom's cabin. Wow. I. That's not how you would deliver that. You had to delivered a little bit more negative because you get to see palm aid soon, you know what? I mean. Focus hair. So. They have to go back to the decision is they arrived to this idea that they need to go back using the time machine and it's different reasons why it doesn't work and Like look is A fixed as shit. Yeah, she's bringing down time. She's like this. How long would drive it is, is GonNa take this long to fix it? We ll even Going, back to nineteen, twenty, one to Tulsa is because that's where the last time. Remember. They they they had the book virtually and that's where they go. And it is a very traumatizing experience for mantras. He he's. Traumatizing. dreading shit he'd has to Montrose House to Confront Demons and he's had to confront. He's had to confront the truth through the beginning of this episode. The truth I'm going to have to reveal this shit to take the truth of I'm going to have to go back to you know now and his Ryan, and so this was a six hour drive and I'm like. Drinking me attire tons more focused GONNA be. Useless. Personally. So. The BILOTTA intake tickets like working under the science nerds are working on things and the others This is going to be leading MONTROSS. They have a moment where while mantras is finishing up his booze he goes is a hooch goes back in there and he talks letty he like you know he no, you know you bring you right. And she's like, yeah. My boys going being. Like Shit. Yeah he he reveals this DT those details but also reveals this this other thing of I can't have. You know anything that you're involved with that could lead to my son being harmed. Your that's kind of what he gets that. We are missing one thing. I do I just want to point it out a little bit because I think it's going to be important absolutely. Absolutely Kristen. Letting verbis conversation aunt letty virtually tell Ruby. Ruby telling letty Rubio's. Lettie. MACHO VIOLENT TICKETS VIOLET Careful and. letty virtually say, yeah, a book Christina wants to kill. Take. So. Careful. In. The thing is like it's fine. Got An energy there can be the first to say in this was something. that. We find our Christina finds out. Of still alive and he's barely hanging on Shan's throws in there as William like she just won a championship game in the Su-? Spend his around and Shit. And then she cursed thousands. So virtually debt spelled that he has going on or they. Have Black bodies, use it for flush the hell catafalque face live longer is gonNA run out. Well, one thing I will go got the one thing I will say about that. So we can keep on forward is the flaxseeds that they're fucking were black bodies like this really makes me hate are more. So the other thing I in that that scene because it's important. She she goes in. Well, he go in there because I'm going to say that 'cause boatpeople they go in there purposely as William they go in there and get the whatever that stone was that she had Ruby put an air. So you had a black woman lead to the demise of your enemy. WHO's using black bodies and you ain't got shit to say about it but as I. Gotcha. Basically Almost A It's amazing. She looked at him like Denzel. Training Day right. Sake. You're dead man Jake. Right. So. So we have that and that's current day shutdown right Yup. Now let's go back to. Tulsa. So that was one little error on the air what have you title? So we're in Kentucky and got to Tulsi yet we're in Kentucky right we haven't left. Oh. Well, I thought we already went through top machine. Well, is one one typographical error what have you so The place it was enlisted as in what Medfield But this tied and I was in a previous episode or the been in. But in this episode, which is called Kentucky. Yeah. So appointed that out, it's like. Emission was like, yeah, they Kinda fucked up. Is in Kentucky just so you know it's. I was like what you're geographics. Pointing out where things are at did it right? Please? Yes. Probably fixed. Up So sam yet just fixing post. So, child and. So we're we're going to talk we're going to head to Tulsa. What have you. We have a much better jump from Montrose WanNa jump deportable because his last jump in the Indiana Jones episode was not GonNa Loose Was A. bad jump. and. As expected, macho losing his ship heeds having flashbacks of. Mental flashbacks of his abusive day towards him. Salako on how quickly did you point now? letty shoes I know it's coming up later but how quick 'cause I pointed out as soon as they changed as. They get there. We see two girls and air talking about a dance that got canceled because these white these fuckers are cutting up, they act and wallaby bugging out. To Be New York about it but I'm not from new. York. finals prom. Yeah and Booker T. Washington was an appro. So so they're dressed nineteen, twenty one. So these nineteen fifties mid nineteen fifties closed they gotta go. So they figured out conveniently everybody has a fit. That's they're just imagine if our fat asses wanted to fucking Portal, we're wearing curtains. We probably are we're like who are these two guys? On just GONNA wear what? Look. Fuck. You. KILLED YOU'RE GONNA get. He's how quickly he pulled his gun out later forbade shoes. That's sure. Yeah. So They're so Montross so so team. Team explorers that's the team call them because this was the Indiana. Jones grew right? Yes. Well perper. Moore's they're it's so they are dressed in an is address drippy because there are black. Wall Street Gang. So they're. They're looking for Montross old house, right? Yes. As next door to. The Dora Yeah and takes us right there. They were neighbors next door neighbors and we roll up wearing alley or some kind of own looking point and we see with the most glorious mustache ever. Montrose and George's dad telling him the classic Black blackcurrant thing. Pick a switch Yup. And it is rough and his black homophobia everywhere son it is nineteen twenties pick a switch. You dress like Sissy take away in a flower in your hair and shit like that. It is in Montrose his losing ish. And saw the workload day because he's also charm city kinks. Don't Shop Biak. Let's go. Let's. Go. That guy so Watching it we we see the whole thing and it is brutal because. It did not switch because when when a kid when they to pick a switch and you don't think the switch, they're going to a tree and they're gonNA BE TWO OF AT A. A branch off the tree. he was. that. And then we see palm aid PABO. We see young. George. Who Kind of George Georgia'll? Yeah Georgia's an observer more than. Getting involved and that's more. It's not an indictment or more of a slight anything but. That's what he is. Montrose says that when? Dora and George had little argument that no George was the most helpful person out of everybody he was the most understanding. Yet because his his thing is more introspective. He's an observer. Have you and we we see we see come out there and Dora just kinda like gets right up like, Oh, you're not hitting him like that. What are you doing? What's good All right. So he says something to with his mustache must angry and he had a switch to. Doors. POPs comes out there. He's like my don't you talk to do have you need to do with your kids don't talk daughter. Also also she's in the way he was beating his sons as with impunity. She is in the way of meeting the sun and he dipped off or what have you Montrose Young Montrose tipped off not current mantras and dad was this ain't Burton. Or VINTON HIS DAD. Verna Renton. It's it's definitely a and. He's stumbled into the house. With a little support from George, his son to make it by. This like fuck. And They Dora and George are together going to look for Montrose door kind of made the point like Union and say Michael Game. which is great because. College out. So we may have two points of an hour or immediately because I didn't see it again. There's a few times we swung and missed on certain things but episode to okay. We swung in miss badly about. Remember I kept Colin Diana Dora. And I was like Shit Stop I'm sorry that was a mistake. and. Now, we find out the door was an episode nine, but we should be thinking about that. She already showed up an episode two. Yeah Yeah and the one thing that I wanted to point out before we kept going is that scene where door in Georgia dancing. And I was his vision and that was his dream sequence. Yeah and the reason why that is because of what transpired here and that is they were robbed the their prom night. That was their prom night and that's why he. Captured as much as well. Yeah. I. Think I think that that's fine. That's not necessarily fuck that second part of it's more of a we didn't know at the time. Because it wasn't like, yeah. We're just getting here because things are. told out of order. and. So I kept call Hannah. Harriet. Tubman. I know and I'm not going to see. I'm not going to Besmirch by when you said we. It was not a lot of the swings and misses Rodley. So falls. Light. Skinned Pine Mrs Not Maple Oak Pine Tar. Mrs Going Okay I was. A. Kid. Chapman versus taper. That's fine. That's fine. So. Where where we now? So So Montrose Pontius tips like current Montrose. Audi and so between teen parents because that's what the fuck is. Going to be seen they devise a plan that he got a split up one has to go at the Montrose because you don't in time in time travel, you can't fuck up anything in the past. He always tell you that it's always time travel. It's one. Oh, one I was there in the front of the class. But also. But they also need to pages. Yeah. So he just the pages an tech goes after his dead. Let he comes up with a great idea of we should name George but also let hot wires the car because you know we got to show that leading is. That's fine sign but let's see that came up. That was both support was affected. She said, we shouldn't George to no objection by felt take did that because he knows that she's pregnant she knows as the boys it was like. Let her, have it. You know. I mean there's nothing out of it in my thing about the hot wiring a car it's just another one of those things and it's just like all right. Cool. So they devised a plan where he's going to go out there his dad. So it was kind of a little bit of A. Switch right or his not dad because far. Union father. He's going to he's going to have to montrose a few different ideas around at one. Your said earlier your dad's violate your beat his ass. So I feel confident of use ordinance. I'll even though I feel like letty has gotten him to do things even more effective than getting him to do things. And the other thing is like, all right. I think the way it happens is not planned how he gets to the house is not playing. because fucking white people but. I think it's it's one of those things is very similar to when When take was like you need to talk to your sister yeah. Is very similar to that of like here's this time. Stopping, before everything goes to waste. Did we already have we may have talked about it but I wanted to touch on one thing because i. think it already happened. With William and Ruby wriggles very comfortable in the laboratory. Yeah Oh. Yeah. We didn't talk about that Ns when she was like Oh. Yeah. The next white woman would be should be a redhead like fuck. Riot right. That's because he's she's in there and basically going over the plan of in thinks she's playing her that's the way it came off me a little bit like I. Think She's Gassing Christina up a little bit. But I. I think that's not the game you WanNa play I think. She's better than you think you realize it yet. And it's the fact that she virtually tells her. You gotTA kill two. It was like for my ascension. Got Us like why women like for me to win we all win right. But if I have to win this, a black guys gotta go down. The one. Together Yeah. In other thing about it I, think it's a bad move. If if she's even if she's playing her NFL rubies trying to play her I think as bad move, you're taking a drug from this person regularly because you really what this is and we don't know the after effects of differ. Yeah and we see two bodies down because he asked the. Interesting observations. Remember we were talking about with how Christina didn't care about the police officer using bodies really give a fuck about the white white being in Jazz. was she that was about it? Give me a redhead one in. Lucille Ball. Let's do it. I Love Lucy negative. Should've? killed. Her. Pretty. Much like she rack over the head with a shovel damn. Yeah. So my sister's violent though. Yeah So we're back in. I can see I'll pull it out bullshit. So we're back at We're back in Tulsa just for that quick side, we're back in Tulsa and. We get to kind of their own. Own. Journeys. letty. Atticus Atticus is out Outdo Atticus. You do Lettie I wanted to do well, we do that yet. Or whatever I don't care. Go Do buffum bugging. No Bennett Bennett. Dam. Should never say nothing. So Atticus is advocates Fonts Montrose Macho trying to stop something from happening virtually advocates is look if you change the past I might not exist in all of this is enough and. MONTROSS is talent him. He was like this might not matter. This might be just a small thing. And shows like well, you can't save who you're trying to say they're thinking he thinks it's about George. Yeah. She thinks about George and little dino it's about. MONTROSS friend. Jonathan Johnson. Was it. May Have Been Thomas. We might look this up. All I know is it didn't go well for him. Know. What terrible actually. Fuck. Yet. This. And we're moving to put it in context. It's now nighttime. So where we were at because I, think this is the thing that gets lost a lot with the show especially with my my point earlier about how people don't empathize with people is like. Don't process look at trauma what have you and this is not even shipped like secretive is. You were there. So you know you'll have seen like going back to one lady was like I died, but it's like not a that's the only time where get it someone died but it's not a lot of consideration. So even for her saying that it's like. This kid going back to absorb eight this is in distress MOMS missing Dad's dead I don't know what the time line is, but this is within the last few months. Got Time for it. So I mean, there's not a lot of empathy between people who ultimately are in this thing together that are kind of like a non traditional family but are unified under being black people in the fifties in Chicago. His name was Thomas. And it was Montross. Virtually. Secret Boyfriend. I. Love. Yes. Very I love and he always had that memory of administered. In. Him In atticus are having in my pay. What is probably one of the best father-son scenes they had ever in the show as probably one of the best scenes in the show yes. Is Virtually Machos laying it all out all and virtually saying if you can thank you can stop his friend and his tragedy from happening. That you know he come clean with his life like he felt like this was his this was a secret. and. He virtually it what we get from. It was the fact that he was hiding the fact he was from who he was to advocates because he didn't want advocates feel the same pain he felt if advocates was was actual and he was trying to see any signs of that, which is a very fucked up way of doing this but A. But see his point it's it's two sides of the coin. And we eventually see the death of Thomas. No? No. No. No whole. There's a lot more to break down in that sequence. I'll let you do it. I can't do it. I can't give. Their. I mean I. The homosexual thing was there I think that I think there's a piece of it there because he's he's dealing with that being his experiencing what he knows. But you know he was making the point how important it was I think he was making a point of how important it was. For him to have a kid because that's what men do men here. It's men have sons all of this and you know like you might be Georgia's kid I. Don't know we had like a unique love is that what he mentioned? Yeah it was a special aw on between him. or An. George and you know it was he is like he wishes like they are vehemently making the point is like you're my son he kept saying that and. You know really good acting on both their parts in sequence in this absolutely and. We finally an want to delve. Further into because I mean I think it is definitely one of the remarkable scenes in this show. Specifically in his episode So, we finally hear the continuation of Montrose, is one of stories. Saying previously, we don't get mantras full stories ever. Part of it, and maybe that's another thing right? No one listens to anybody that's super young and we all listen anybody to super bowl. Comparatively and Machos basically regaling tick what's going to happen if east if I don't stop this, he's going to be killed. He's going to be shot. He just shot right in the head and it's right there. So. He was like, yeah. But you know this guy that came over there and he saved us and he had a back. And he's like I Gotcha, kid. And some of the UCLA bad on the ground, the bat that was one of those occurring, and there was the one that Montrose was carrying earlier. Is Joy is. Greg H bat because there's that color and. He picks you up literally and so we had this group of white guys. They roll up on a pickup truck. You know it's it's doubles night. The massacres everything is happening. So we also had to put a few things. Why the stream was mentioned amid the sequences mentioned a few times. Yes. Episode wine it was. With Jackie Robinson knocked. But the bet, yeah, that's why I was getting at. Excellent. And then we have to remember would machos brought up. The dream that he always had about somebody saying I, Gotcha Kit. Sounded like tick when episode, you know episode happened I Gotcha Kit and it always sounded like tick in I. Thought they kind of try to secretly code that you're poorly because. The Dakota his voice a little better because that was my first incident like the tickle back in the future. I. Mean Go back in the past and do something and we find out he went full-timer Nater. No essentially, we're in a timely because. We fucked up something. And he goes picks the bat and we see the terrible terrible terrible death of Thomas I mean get shot in the face shit goes everywhere is fucking foul George door comes to the rescue but they're only on beds and they have weapons not. There was only GonNa see thank God there was only one guy just a just a one gun and tickets hitting home runs. What's skulls? Even the white bit says she's getting it unlike Yay and unlike thumbs. You wanted the here a moment that you wanted and it took his back to nineteen, twenty one and bats. So I think a they head back. Pretty much will happen. It may have. Let's go to lead ahead and what's the name of the place the place a call to Stratford Hotel. Yes. Who In you know? John. Stratford was. The first bike on he was the richest person in that area. Yes. They went past the dreamland well, no letting passengers. So. Okay. So we are we're only missing one key point before I go into letty spending, and that is heavily does losing control. Yes, she's losing control and I'm laughing old. please. Doug. Laughing a lot. But something something special habits for her. Then I'm going to laugh a lot more that too. Okay. So. Be Remembering Holy Shit. So. Slow. Letty is going to the house and this is around Tom where the massacre begets. Yes she's in route to she's like the block. And let about to get shot and plotkin happens. So, so so hold on homeless they'd say that low differently. So how so? dudes roll up in the pickup truck with the blinking tunes. Okay. And they like, yeah girl where you going something like that, which you never respond to white people lead them hard stop and. Then they start shooting at her right and that's when she just like using that track speed win those shoes come into full convenience by the way. Yes, do. Some nice kicks though w sort. Anywhere So The. Just sneakers like this chat so she bumps into Tan. And While shotgun he does. Get. Along you more I'll shoot you. An doors shooting at them to endorse their Komo now over here you don't. WanNa he sounds like Ben Carson. He did. You. Know I. got a very weird. Herman. CAIN. By from him he had the Stefan Marberry part. He's one of the point at tells. Either black people they were better black people than the the freemen's or whatever. 'cause you can see how your neighbors because. One I want to stay Stanford, the other what y'all want to nowhere. So one is Stefan Marberry. Vernon is latrell sprewell. Yes. Yes. Okay. So before So lettings in the house conveniently she got there nothing crazy happened. The trying to find ways to escape. and. So one of the things that's that's mentioned because they say it earlier say it in a episodes that the house where the pages are at that house burns down everyone is in it burns down. And Virtually I guess we could just for this part and no, just keep just keep going just going okay virtually Book. She bumps to Miss Haiti Hattie. Hattie probably had a had. Who looks like evil she talking evil. So I, I thought that was Hannah. And I was like that can't be Hanukkah. Far Back. So everyone at this point, she's a stranger everyone at this point is looking at their battlezones, right? You know like. doors dad is like Yo you hear Mama you here to you around back see what's good. Overton is he was good. It's like you Latisha because she says a four nations go by letter she's. And he's like, do you have any family or anything and she's like, no stay here he gives her a Bloomington. grandma Hattie sees that you know. That she's snooping she's is honestly say she's rambling. And she's bought the shoes. Does. Water those in nineteen twenty one basically I never seen shits before. Who? She She's like Africa Future. If that's not a pair a commercial for sneakers, I've never seen one it should be os just putting together to shoot. Like that I wanna fly like an Eagle Song in the background as he's running and so. What does she say? Are you fast speeding bullet? Only, my pro kids the Lettie addition. Just doing. Right right. bursary Larry spills the beans of W in front of futures. So she's technically to one I got. Yo she she can. She convinces her what's what's she gives sort of details or what have you told what's up and? Then it Kinda. Gets into some biblical talk about happy which you know. Effective for me but. was also one important thing is the fact that she says you all going to die here she doesn't tell her but you. Miss Haiti nose gets it. She gets it and she basically gives them the book as the is burning down as we hear a beautiful poem from. Mayo Sanchez catch the fire yes. Just go. And she's dying as the Santa Prior. I had a feeling like to say. I had a feeling. I can tell you why as the house burns down. That was it, and now we go back to tech in modules. Let's not leave that scene. Okay. Let's in the scene for a little bit. Okay. So We're on time restriction? No, no no, it's fine. It's. Fine. So in the scene the effects are fine. The fire effects are always dicey, but the effects are fine. And we we see painstaking painful detail of Miss Hattie like burning alive while praying with leading. and. I. Think. Most of that is effective and I don't like instances where you're going to be a little more. You're going to be a little bit more relaxed with things. I think than I am it's like canonical speaking or the university you set up beetroot to the university set up every heard anything about this book. Other than other than is important. No No. So Lettie hasn't vulnerability. The book does not she's holding it while the place is burning down. The whole goal was to get the book out of the House. Well. She's holding a book. One of the book doesn't get affected because she's old man that is loose. I can't. I can't allow that and this is why in the previous episode and I'm sure someone will correct me and say, well, hers is different. When we had a Christina had the should be out of her was her closed damaged. Yes they were. That's that's that's the kind of the issue I have. It's like the purpose of what you're doing is to get thing for. So as not burnt up, then we have this dramatic scene which drama in storytelling why it's fine. But again, it's kind of like is nit picky. But your purpose for being in there is to stop this book from being burned up. And I is like, does she have the the the glow? The Bruce Roy glow that anything touch. Let me she should hold on the tech. She she just hugged take when he's GonNa get killed basically. Yeah. So we did learn a one thing and that is that advocates does not the birthmark up advocates is not the marketing. I thought it was an episode seven. We thought wasn't because. Ms. Hey Miss Hattie has it and she dies. She's Is the mark of Let's get it or whatever yeah. It's the mark of that fire. Players. Stop It. Stop. So. Atticus atticus goes back because she he sees her suffering wrong wish. The portal back at the place they're they're back at the Stratford and advocates an Montrose deportable is turning to television static. Is Not going well and advocates jumps through it and it's like Oh something's fucked up. And Valetta cannot control it. A. hippolyte is going through some things like she's like flying in the air. Look all she's on four ultimate warrior right? She struggling she her mouth has the she has the same fluid or her mouth that he had been the alien movies the the thing that the Andrews. Her hair's blue. She has white foam she. Is a white and then our hair turns blue like Arabia blues because that's ultimately who she's starting in two. I laughed out loud when she levitated. I, was like I am fucking go to pause and believe it for five minutes I came back and I was like a Finnish Back to Montrose. So. trolls. Is. Virtually reliving bachelors is giving up eulogies for everybody yes. It has the vibe that he's like fine with dine in his doting almost. Yeah which is really fucking sad it is. So. One of the names the stake in that he mentioned was AC Jackson. The I believe. So and that was one of the first April Neil surgeons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he was virtually giving credence to everybody else still there ask fucking Larry as fucking walking and my girl what the fuck are you doing? Get your asked to the hotel I. Get that. You know you're vulnerable you know nothing can hurt you but God, Dave. Do you want to be stuck in the nineteen twenties? So Real. Quick. What you said is absolutely right. Let's let's go back. Real quick. So yeah, all of this is happening I'm thinking something's going to happen. You see a plane come in everything is going to get bombed shit while and then everything is burning and you're right A. Thing where again the execution is weird. It's like you've already established that letty is a track athlete. Yeah now granted, you don't WanNa be running through fire I get that but a little expeditious move a little more expeditiously please. Or what have you in? Our recent. How feel about the book you want it not to be burned up because you're Bayer purposely for this book not to be burnt up you're walking with your kids on to get back to the hotel you know who she he altered on without knowing. Atticus hippolyte. She's holding thing together. I'll be there tonic. Ritchie. He'll turn on D. two. Yes Bills only the next scene. Just. Jump to the portal I was like. All right. Cool. It was just like already back and. Craft machines and then we we have. hippolyte she drops Jessica out of exhaustion blue hair exhaustion out of Marge Simpson exhaustion, and she asked that we get it and. We fucking. Got It in in letting was like we burnt it. No kidding. David watchers. GotTa be who I am. TUSLA fucking wild he's. Resonates even more. Now. Now I'll say this. I. I don't. Episodes have been very traumatic things for black people just see dramatized and all of that. I really feel that way and I think mostly they they did a really good job with it because it's not an easy thing to do. They showed the massacre and I think within the first ten minutes I think once no ninety minutes once they got there and I was like nodding on massacre I was like I. Don't see this I- nfl kind of like sad and nervous and all of this shit because shit like that I don't WanNa relive but that shows effective effective dramatization of things on the other side of it. Some of the choices that they make of. Just their own I. WanNa get this in here I wanNA work this in. It makes certain elements at a show suffer because it throws off the universe that you create it and you know looking at the comparative thing of some of the changes that they've made within the show like a lot of stuff between the show in the book and I get it. They have that thing that this is not the bug but. Okay cool. There the changes that they decide to make, they're trying to serve many audiences. OUGHTA Montrose. This shit is not in a book everything that happens in house not in a book. And it's fine. But when you do these things, they can lead you to would you've been describing bad Kind of run out. Of Time. So. When you put these things in there to try to spice up and pumps something up, it's less of what it, what the source material is. And more of what you want to get in there, and I'm not against all the time in there. Some ways that you know to Montrose not really being this character in the book. Timon tick have had one of the most effective scenes in a show. Time it was a great idea. Yeah. That was a great payoff. We got the scene. So that's what that. Saying, well, we got that hero see. No, have you but we had he alters I don't WanNa. He'll turn from Ruby but I don't think it's a full here turn Snyder. I don't think Ruby's turning here. I think ruby is. Ruby smarter than what she's pulling off. Right now, an update where we get the episode ten we'll see. Well speaking of which, what are you looking forward in episode? Well. Actually. I'm. and. I want to be the first to say, I love the series I. Think this was a great. First seizing. Slash. mini-series. Berry. They do for season two, I hope they go with the idea that you know someone wink wink nudge nudge propose hope they pay us and hopefully put me in an episode. Let me right one of the episodes and not be happy it's like Yeah Fat Rob is here and it's like, yeah, man I'm playing the troll Mike Yeah Malas fucking her bag day ask. Right one up since can your hits? Allen right y under bar romance episodes but I WANNA say episode now was great in. It was my favorite episode next episode six, thousand, seven I know I know to me there was a lot that I liked a now put it that way because a lot of payoff happens. I think that the payoff that did happen. was important in a now now, at the mini gritty, we're now at the point where it's tickets to go to Christina. And he had to go willingly, which was one of the stipulations being involved. No, one else can come. Now we find out that he has the book secrets now he'll. He'll how to cast a spell. So now we're seeing that this isn't to be each as quote unquote willingly like they have playing to do something now. Yeah. Now that's one thing I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward to Jia. She's GonNa do something she had asked to do. So I feel like you wasted a character just because and I know Mr Green mentioned it earlier when she talked about the far Well, not just her but. What's the characters name yeah. and. They asked her about your Hema and said Yeah we missed opportunity. What that. Basically openly admitted it and I was like that's good for you to admit it but you can't do the same thing to your Hema to jeer because we gave our full episodes dedicates are she can't just meet a character says I don't know and she just can't come in and say, I know now now have something he and that's the thing like this character is not in the book this stuff that happens a career not in a book. So yeah, it's a flashback that's apparently For that to be because she shares, that's a way to take storing if anything. And it is an but she's on a poster. So is very much a her episode to and you're right. It's a disservice if you don't have some version a payoff in there with her. Yeah That's that's that's your own with that one. Yeah. Did. You have anything else I'm sorry. Not as I know both of us have different opinions, I, episode nine somewhat. An we both agreed. It's a find episode. I. Know You had some issues with episode. Loved the episode. Monday. Can say my piece on it then. As as a whole. time travel I people, Tom Travel actually enjoy time travel if you stick to the rules of time travel. So, they were effective in doing that they stuck to the role, the time travel and don't fuck shit up and they didn't. So you got thumbs up for me. There that works for me would also worked was to take in abacus thing that worked funded I mean the take a mantra. All right. the Montross kind of continue arc works because it's like I think he's been moving two steps forward instead of two steps forward three steps back which he's done in previous episodes and that's what would he really been my criticism holiday characterized advocates that it's like, Hey, can we get an idea of who this person is other than just finally because he's just as dead and we already have that character. I. Saw I I I like the way that everybody looks like villain hench woman in some ways. Was the -pected. and. Head I. my one of my favorite scenes was just. Christina's William going in A. was just like you go to work in your team got. Are Your boys team and he's like. That's that energy was and. Just seeing these fuckers actively use black bodies to try to keep this white person in a very get outsold away live. What I think was not effective in I the episode, a B plus plus plus not quite an a, but it'd be plus one of my favorite episodes into season. an my favorite was probably I think the Santa episodes were probably six three. can I I'd like to elements. Of Episode Eight I think they did a little bit of a disservice there quite. got. My wrinkle be. Nine, well, no, six, nine, three, one, seven. Back to what I was saying. So. Yeah I mean there are things in there that that worked in eight. Five. Episode Series Sameer. Often for bad. Four was fine CNN Jones episode I'll give it some credence the ending of stupid and it was very servant. But I won't Besmirch it for that because. It was too many of those types of things in five it was like. Pretty much everything from the end before through five. Dog. Shit, and We'd left Nisus shows you the fuck array of it we left. To go into episode six, which was in the past. So when we come back to episode seven, we're like, where what are we doin', again, which is to my point about how things were kind of told out of order a little bit. Yeah. I don't know how you could tell it to get that tick thing and but it seemed a little haphazard in that way. And I. Think it took some of momentum away from seven because you know we saw hippolyte of going there, and then she goes just to come back that doesn't make it doesn't help. Isn't help what you're trying to tell their. In his literally going back just to drop her kid off. The probably better episode five yet you swap episode five but six, I probably have a better story. Because I know the name of episode. Cut The content in episode five, the name of it is in the book. Dr Jekyll and Hyde Park. That's a fire name. Nashville strange case this much better name that's Moy. Better Day yeah. It's like you know don't don't hire your friends feel not not if you don't hire your friends because in that. Hire some of your friends mostly. because. Then you just have kind of a good idea. I, don't know. But. Yeah. This this show is deserves a second season. It shows really fire and I'm looking forward to what happens in episode ten we we need and I'm looking for what happens episode ambience that's how optimistic I am about the show. I want there I think he could do a westworld kind of move. Where Westworld had the movie? It any had westworld in the sense of you have something subject matter. Then you extend from there as the basis. Now. Remember cyber. I don't WanNA multi-diverse. Idea, I don't want the multi-diverse. Because then it's just it's GonNa. Be overused I. Think. Asha. But, yeah, the time travel thing worked it had for a person that doesn't feel because some people were saying I slept in tears last night seeing this I was like it was a thousand times worse than what we saw. And I get it and its effective in that way, and I felt it was very effective. And Yeah looking for topsy and Bosnian episode ten. That'd be amazed. We're here for the fight. What are these marionettes? His body just like all turning the paper. Michelle he's looking. Like. The advocates majeure a simple. Stop fucking stop it. This is terrible. He does. A comes to. Breathes. Inhales in it comes to him. So confide this, he's worthy. Take a deep breath atticus. Go. Swimming. Find US on MTR podcast. MTR The network MTO podcasts all your form for podcasts. Out there. So you have a on Youtube. We're on apple spotify all under that name, and you can check us out on into network dot? com. Sort, of moment he's leaves the majority trump's yes. He wasn't worthy when he sneeze. Into Feet Thor Adore with pepper. Instagram at Great. Agreed on. Dave is gone. You can find me instagram or unofficially underscore lack undiscovered EB T.. R. I feel like you should have a stan account called instagram. After about that about it is a free one for you. That's a free one. 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Pisces, Pisces, Pisces! Lets get to the essence of it all with Barbara Snow

Accessible Astrology with Psychotherapist + Astrologer Eugenia Krok, MA

33:24 min | Last month

Pisces, Pisces, Pisces! Lets get to the essence of it all with Barbara Snow

"The following podcast is made possible by the generous support of my community members at accessible shali dot com and the positive reviews left an itin. Thank you so in today's episode. I thought it would be a very cool idea to bring on a pisces goddess as. We are in very strong pisces energy. At the end of this prolific year we have just been through as a consciousness. And i record this Recording the sun. Neptune venus are all khun junked. This energy brings on a very spiritual sacred energy. It brings on an opportunity to meet the divine and i couldn't think of anyone better to bring on the podcast to connect with the divine as the lovely barbara snows. So stay tuned will bring barbara onto the podcast. Bring you some of that. Lovely pisces goddess grandmother energy into your years for this episode barbara. My wonderful mentor friend. grandmother All of the beautiful things. I can call you. Welcome to accessible astrology. I'm so honored to be here. Eugenia thank you you know. I spoke to you a couple of weeks ago. When i was feeling kind of low and depressed about the state of the world and i at the time. No i wasn't alone. Because i had met with members of my community and there was a sorrow and the energy of everybody and does a sadness and i reached out to the one person who i thought. You know. there's one person this world who can help me understand what we're all going through and also move me out of it transition me out of it into a place of love and harmony. Because you've done this for me. So much in my life and i wanted to bring your voice to the audience to ease. Some of those worries that they might be feeling and especially now as we're in. The strong energy is of pisces. And to believe it or not. We're actually moving into the new moon in pisces. I forgot to mention that. I want to really allow people to tap into this place of pisces. Which is kind of about grief and depression. But on the other end is the connection to god and goddess and what that means. And so i would love for you to reiterate some of the things you said to me many weeks ago when i was feeling down or just your wisdom and how you're feeling about the world and what we're going through as a consciousness right now i'd be happy to sweetie and of course it's affecting me to But that's one of the nice things about having lived a number of years on this planet and having been guided to wonderful resources The thing to remember right now is basically. What we're restoring is our direct connection to source because that has been interfered with with in the past and the reason it has because when people know that they are directly connected to the source of all creation and that that source loves them exactly as they are. They don't have to do anything or be anything different. That love is there when people know that you can't control them they're not gonna go into fear and as you know that is the the issue on this planet it has been for millennia and we are in the process of ascending. We are in the process of remembering who we are as gods sparks as f- every human on this planet is an aspect of the divine. Don't worry your head don't try to figure out how that can possibly be when there's darkness when there's pain when they're suffering it's part of the experience of being human because the dark has what shows us the light. It shows us what we don't want so we can move to what we do want. And that's the game. We're playing on planet earth and believe it or not however things look or whatever stories are running through your head. The light has already one we are as a collective ascending which means that each individual is ascending in his or her own way. We're integrating this part of ourselves with the human part who still lives in the third dimensional reality who still by definition of being on planet. Earth is living in the matrix but just as many of the wise teachers have said be in the world but not of the world. So what does that mean means know that you're in the matrix and you have to deal with it because it's where you live. It's where you buy your groceries. It's where you work to earn your money. It's where you have relationships with family of origin with your friends of choice with your partner. If you have one it's where in this body you also have relationships with divine beings. Whose support your god's spark who support you in becoming more and more of your extended self and as you move into that everything changes the process and sometimes you lose people. Sometimes you lose jobs. Sometimes you lose Families because you begin to vibrate at a different rate but when you look around your vibrating at a rate that puts you closer in touch with angels with ancestors with spiritual allen. Allies ascended masters from other other places other other planetary systems with animal allies and especially directly with source. So of course it's uncomfortable. Does this make sense. Yeah no i think one of the big transitions. That i've gone through from twenty twenty two now twenty twenty one or we talk about it as the beginning of the year. Which is the spring equinox. So that's march mid march of twenty twenty until now mid-march twenty twenty one. The process the whole cycle is. I think last the fear was on high. It was turned up as high as possible on every level every direction. Every single person was experiencing fear somewhere in their life very very strong amounts of it. Something i keep talking about on the podcasts. As part of that is because we've had this reliant that the father would take care of us or this reliance on that so our government are Monarchy's our you know our god you know from the perspective of more like the churches Like figure of its this capricorn energy. We had to really face the father metaphorically actually and recognized he's abandoned us and no matter how you voted or what you saw in the world. Last year you felt abandoned by some Patriarchal figure head or paternal figureheads so whether it was the president at the time or the incoming president Who is now president both parties. That both felt like your bandini us you have. You have abandoned us to the dark. You've abandoned us to the virus you've abandoned us to this and that and the truth is they have and they have for very long time and i think the faith that so many of us have put on those institutions to protect us to provide for us to take care of us we've realized is an illusion. It's not real and that actually the only one who's gonna take care of us is us and it's coming back to that place in that connection to source to god whatever that feels like in your consciousness that connection that conversation is actually lot more just an integral to guiding us in our decision making process to take care of ourselves. You're exactly right. Yeah all so. Many of us have had a false idea of the divine and all of the organizations. You've mentioned organized. Religion governments politics sometimes apemen family systems. These are all controlled mechanisms. And they've told us were freed mainly so they could convince us not to look for true freedom and we have to go through the grief when those things proved to be lies it creates cognitive dissonance. It's like how can this possibly be and if that's not true than what is true and if nothing that i've known in the past is true who am i am what can i trust so for me. It's learning that you have the truth inside you. You have the truth in your body. You have the truth. You have the truth in the elements you have the truth in nature when you go outside and you put your feet in water that water. Caresses you water is one of the most amazing elements on the planet. It is sentient. It is alive that responds to your love or hate. And that's one reason there's so much a effort to control it and also human beings are at least seventy maybe more Water so that's indirectly controlling hus. And of course pisces are all about water are sign are are the two fish. Neptune is ruler. The oceans this is about the fluidity of consciousness. So it's inside you. It's literally inside you in the water. You drink the water you shall of with water you bathe in and that's what you can trust while you allow yourself to become because we're we're we're reconnecting with fragments of our souls that have been lost. Over many many lifetimes we are experiencing the grief and the pain that that engendered in us because those were painful experiences. I've had that just myself recently. Do you have time for a brief story. Yeah i live in ecuador. I had some people whom love and respect. Come to me this week and say we had visions. The brief story is the spanish. Conquistadors came in to the inca empire trick them. they betrayed them. they murdered them. They captured the emperor who is going to give them a room full of gold and they got all the gold and they murdered him anyway. The people were devastated. There's a cliff. Near the the little town i lived in. Were five thousand. People threw themselves off. Rather then be enslaved by the kista doors. Oh so these people came to me and they said you were there saw you. You were the shaman. And my body told me that it was true. I went immediately into grief at trauma that my people had engendered by this decision and with these people we talked about it because it was traumatic for them to but what we learned was the value of life. So this happened just a few days ago. And in the time in between i've had waves of grief move over me and also waves of joy because when this knowledge as they told me lie. Back closure is reclaimed. What you lost. What did you lose. I lost complete trust in myself. And when i laid back with my eyes closed energy poured back into me. The lost parts of my soul and it was golden. The color was golden eugenia. So why now. Why now did this come back to me. Even though this explains so many decades of my life my work on the schimanek indian tradition. I had no idea it's because of the work we're doing now. It's because of who were being now. We have to recognize that all those things that we did that we label mistakes. In the past were learnings. They were lessons. We learned the value of life. The importance of being embodied on this planet because bodies electrical. This mind is electrical emotions magnetic as we go through this ascension process. We are learning to accept ourselves exactly as we are to learn forgiveness to let go of the rigidity to take care of our bodies so that we have the extra voltage not only to heal our bodies because that's what heals us but to to share. It's all about energy. Yeah yeah and. I think that when you know when i've noticed myself i got quite depressed in capricorn season in a little bit an aquarius season as i move into pisces season. It it doesn't matter. I think that a lot of people are sick of it. They're sick of talking about it. Hearing about it getting frustrated by it because there's a decision we make every day with how we see the world and we get to choose that of the divine or that of the devil however you want to name it or would you yes already got a polarity of the dark and the light and the war that has been fought so dramatically this year has been that of love and fear and that that piece of fear in choosing that vibrates it vibrates. It hits other people you know. One of the things. I think is going to start to happen. As you know the vaccine's been ruled out and you know. Countries or states are opening up in some countries are opening up more. I think we're gonna see the states and countries that are in the most fear have the most detrimental economic effects because fear begets fear right and so actually all that rangers nl abundance right. There's no love there. There's no. I wanted engage in your business. And engaging in those economies are going to start to crash they're going to start to crumble because fear has taken over the vibrational frequency of those locations. And we're gonna see you already. Seen in america states that are less fear. Filled are economically booming. Right now right. People are running their. They're buying property. They're they're buying homes there because they want people want to be in the vibration of love and abundance which is still hugely possible right now. The the the abundance is still available. It's not been dented by this experience. Actually no you're exactly right and it's all about vibration so the best thing to do. I mean we have to feel whatever we feel. That's part of our assignment is human beings and we should avoid labeling right judge them is like well. This doesn't feel very comfortable. But i'm just gonna be with it and it's going to move through me and then it's going to leave because there's something else i mean. Energy moves in waves and the more we the more we resist it. The more suffering we create when we surrendered to what is when we look at okay. Well i'm one of the lucky ones have food. I have a warm home to live in. I have people. I can trust to love and to be loved by else. Is there. yeah right. So that's abundance. When you get into that. That's why gratitude an abundance or so directly created and that's the time we are in and when we stay in love rather than going into fear i mean even when you get mad at somebody even when they totally screw up let that energy moves through you until you can come back to a place of love because when you can direct love energy to that person it mitigates screw ups. Yeah it changes the way that you're relating to each other when sometimes we have to have a fight to clear the air but when you really love people you clearly air and you come back together and you realize what it was that together in the first place and what's valuable about how you are together it even works when you're working with other dimensional beings for example recently I was working with client to clear an entity. And i was gonna use the blue flame which is epsom salts and vodka and fire because that that sucks any negative at an energy out of any place. Well guess what it would light. It would not light now. That same day i had been reminded by another friend of a buddhist monk who was fighting all these demons and so he built them an altar. And a put tru donald and flowers and he sang to them and he loved them and guess what they went away either their transformed by the energy or they can't tolerate it and they leave so i built an altar to this entity and guess what the entities no longer anywhere near so. It's a different way of being in the world we've talked about. War never works and peace as it has been defined in the past is merely the absence of war. No peace is being in love is trusting abundance and at the more we learn to to generate the vibration of love. It's the most powerful energy in all the creation more. We can use that on all practical levels the more. We're impacting ourselves in the world around us. Yeah and you don't a lot of the the times we've spent together. We've we've because you have the sharman soul spirit whatever we call it. And that's why. I've always been so drawn to you. As i love how you see the world and i love how you work with it. So what are some of the things that you've been doing You know just for people to know about you. You know i know you have a couple of books and things like that and yes. I'm my purpose is to help people learn to love themselves. I mean we throw that around all over the place. But how the heck do you do that right. So i'm writing a book called Yourself and your sovereignty and it's very specific step by step way to learn to love yourself and it is a corollary to a at To a course them. Creating teachable And that will be out in the next few months. I'm hoping within three months. I already have a number of stories about the same sorts of things. These are stories about ordinary people who live extraordinary lives because they tune in to all dimensions. They acknowledge the spirits. They do ceremonies and they do that. In the context of real conflict so that is called the shaman. Chronicles there three books and book. Four will also be out this year. And i'm mentoring mentoring Either in groups or one on one but right now. I'm working mostly on myself. I'm working on my own becoming You know how when something happens. There's always more reasons than you can ever imagine. And so i am practically recovered from a broken foot but it has kept me pretty much isolated for about two months now and i had an earlier experienced last year finding potentially deadly disease. That kept me. focused in word for about four months. So these have been what. I call initiations. These transitions during which i had to really face myself. I gained some new tools. One of my favorite new tools is chanting and montross. And when i do that. I feel the heavens open up. You know whichever being. I'm chanting or singing. Amine their love songs their love songs to the multi-diverse into the sun and the sun the sun brightens has i sing to it. There's a big knowledge moments. Another tool that i am. Blessed by is blessing others so there's There is a twelve general blessings. That i try to do just about every day and i combine the chanting and the blessings. Many people have similar practices. It's all about raising your libration and opening your arm. Armouring to true love to to the god who is not an angry old man to to any of the stereotypes the true god. The absolute is being so enormous. We can't even begin to wrap our heads around it and it's entirely love. There's no judgment in the divine none at all. That is a lie perpetrated by humankind. Yes it's true that the way too late you said come back to love or to conquer. Fear is to use the sort of gratitude and united talks about this with my community the other day at length. Because you know one woman said we'll try to be grateful for the shelter in grateful for the food but sometimes it just doesn't cut it and you know sometimes we have to recognize that the connection to fear or love or god and evil or light and dark. Whatever you wanna look at it as sometimes that that place of being in that The deep sorrow in that deep depression is actually something that is actually necessary for the ability to to find the greatest of gratitude. the greatest Hope the greatest. Faith you know. I think i was feeling faithless. The end of last year and my faith has returned. And i know god is good and i know that i'm connected to ethics and morality in the connection to source in god and light and whatever you wanna call it and therefore i have nothing to worry about. There might be out in the world. There might be dark in the world. There might be individuals perpetuating fear for for greed and money and you know control in power. But that's their game and they can play they complaints so the cows come home but i'm not playing and therefore i don't have to be in wool or Anger or sadness about the state of humanity. Because i'm not living in fear so i'm not buying it. I'm not participating in anymore. You know you're it's you can rise above this energy with with some time and work faith but know that if you're connected to your god or the gods or morality or ethics or lights or source whatever we call it you've got nothing to worry about because let's say the worst does happen. The absolute worse happens in the sun blows up. We're all dead will. We're all dead and we go back to source anyway. And as we're in this new moon pisces phase and sun neptune pays and venus neptune phase. Athena is now in. Neptune are excuse me in pisces. All the stuff is in pisces. And i just want to leave everybody on kind of a no piscine note from you of how would use in people to work with us energy at the end of the season of the year because this is it. This is actually the end of the year. It wasn't in you know january first of twenty twenty one. It's now this is it. This is the completion of what's been a tumultuous year that has been the reveal has also the the the the the beginning of the end of the capricorn system of believing in our politicians and having faith in them and are religious institutions the mar- dogmatic end of it though father were coming out of this and we get to integrate this now with this new moon as we are preparing for the spring equinox in about a week. What would be the greatest thing that you could say to people to use this week to bring it altogether before we step into very new life this equinoxes on march twentieth i would say create a ritual in which you honor all the suffering from last year from all the suffering from this last phase because as you honor it you release it. It's like cleaning house if you don't feel it if you don't say yup i'm pissed yet. Yup i'm scared. Yup i can't move. Because i'm so were welcomed. Then it stays in your field but when you put it to an an an ritual can be a simple thing of lighting a candle and writing all these things down and when you're done burn it to release it so let go of all those things. Don't attach to the stories any longer because you're about to write a new story and fdu burn that then light a new candle and tell the universe how you want to feel. I want to feel loved. i want to feel seen. I want to feel connected other people who get me. I want to know that my needs are going to be met. I want to know that. I am a force for good in the world because i'm important and this is really important at everybody know eugenia. Everybody is very important. Yeah and i'll take it a step further. I've actually started to take out the verbiage of want. So i want this. I want that that's been my new thing because want implies you don't have it inside been starting to now say i. Am you know like before. I met tarek. I used to say. I have this amazing man who so deeply in love with me and there is no such thing he didn't exist. But i kept saying it. And i can't say thank you god for this amazing man who loves me so deeply and is so committed to me and i just keep saying that because you know what you repeat kind of lodges into your subconscious brain and so it's like working with the divine in that way too so it's it's interesting to talk offered techniques In the magic box for each month and he did a burning technique for this month and all community members can access all of those techniques now to if you wanna work with different actual techniques to work with each month in this one has has a lot to do with is is the element of fire and water and i like the idea of starting the new candle moving into that aries season. And saying you know. I m right now. You know i'm refreshed renewed and now i am xyz whatever that is for us right Yeah exactly right. it's in the present moment. You already have everything that you are is always just a consciousness shift away so perfect. Absolutely will barbara. Thank you for coming on for a little pisces. The grandmother energy at the end of the cycle. I really appreciate it. I wish we could talk longer And we will in the future. Because there's a lot more to say a lot more to discuss. And i just wanna thank you for your presence and sending you all the love in ecuador written taking care of the land down there and and it's beautiful place down here and if anybody has any questions they can just go to my website which is my name. Barbara's beautiful vira. i love it. It's wonderful. I love you sweetheart fabulous work. Thanks for having me on. Thank you so much.

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Sewing Fur, AK Beaver and High Definition

Trapping Today

1:06:59 hr | 4 months ago

Sewing Fur, AK Beaver and High Definition

"One year got trapped. I like to travel. I like to make. And i liked to where it'd be able to spend more time in the woods. I was losing money when i get a traps out. There is the hardest part i think with. Leave him in the back of montross. Lastly we're going to no matter. What traffic talk. This is what you get to ask them guys. You know everything this arkansas china. Learn something from pledging to ask questions without aspiration volume the game magazine especially from her. They're going hurt. Running the whole lennon trapping radio tracker carcelle listened to listen developers system yet working ahead to build the traffic very good pal told about these big hands. Most of my to come from downtown. Probably the best part plane shush waiters back. Dick fear of ood. They're back in for shed. This is strumming day. Care by would great to have you guys here. Thanks for tuning in again. This week And every other week it's always fun. 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How fun talk with them as you might imagine the in this episode. We talk about trapping for beavers under the ice. A little bit about what i do here. Main and his experiences in alaska were trapping around trails which he has a lot of. There's a lot of potential to have issues with that up in alaska with with all the guys run dog teams and doing training and stuff. They're on different trails. We get into sewing further and making your own further items items out of the for that. You catch it sung us getting much more popular. I think all of us are going to be doing little more of that here. In the coming months and years with the firm market being the way it is and then finally we go off on a little bit of a tangent and discuss maybe that kind of the some of the intangibles about trapping for me. The whole alaska experience when i went up there last winter. Just just some of the thoughts are going through my head up there in and how special that place is so Get a little emotional. Maybe at the end of the episode. That's always good right Get in touch with our emotional side at times. But i just yeah. It's i've always dreamt about that area and it was great to experience it and mansard hard not to think about it. It's just The sort of back to the basics of what it was like to be a trapper thinking about the old mountain mandates seon. And that's about as close to wild as you're gonna to get so hope you enjoy this long guys and we will get into it right now for crap into ice strapping strapping out. Yeah i I always try to do a little beaver trapping for one for bait and two because it's fun to travel open water Bodies easier to take the kids on that and cohen and cutting through three or four feet ice in march and run running snares through the ice. But that's fun to slot more work but the other thing about that too. Is you get other guys like me. And they trap beaver house out this time of year and then i'll go try to trap that same house in march and don't understand why anything being close to town. Yeah and it's got to be your chapter with you down there or anything like that but just from us talking. There's there's a lot more beaver down there than there are up here. It seems that way. Yeah it does. Yeah and and just access up here you know. It's you can look at google earth. Or i run on x Pap on my phone. And who knows how. Old satellite pictures are and those things and a lot of the the beaver florida's and stuff that i come across the just happened to stumble across or there along the road so anybody can see him and and like we talked about before. There's only so many roads here. Yeah so you're pretty well guaranteed. Somebody's gonna be trapping beaver. A beaver largest rate by the road. Yeah yeah one of the ones. That's here so maybe a mile from the house. I was gonna go set. And the day that i was going to do it after work that morning when i was driving to work maybe was coming home. I don't remember. I think maybe that's coming home. I saw a guy taken out of the back of his truck right there. He had his waiters on. He's taking traps out. I was like okay. I know where he's going you know that's the only thing that's open right now. So i'm going to end up and down the river on a boat. Yeah i probably could Not now there's too much down. The river now really is phone already there is. This started here about five days ago and and before that. If i'd probably done it. If i had a garage to put my boat in but you know i don't want my both now out in. The winter was checking all the water. Out of the water pump and everything. Yeah everything freezes up when you out of the water. Yeah yeah well. I mean we. We ran both in october. And stuff. And i worked a fishing game. But you probably ya. The the has usually only one or two boats that got ran that lay it. Make it pulled in the garage and we make sure. Everything was drained on them before they got parked outside the winter. Yeah yeah. I don't know. I could probably put a little more effort into doing some of the stuff but this year life was just crazy. Everything got going on buying buying a house and selling house and job promotion whatnot and teaching being the teacher for the kids with the whole cold. Yeah it adds a lot is definitely the what you had. You showed me a beaver. Under ice beaver. Set up that you use different than mine. You said you've had really good luck with it. Yeah let's that's something Tristan actually showed me that and just take two spruce Polls that are. I'd always cut my whole probably three feet by three feet and i use a chainsaw and i'm not gonna chip through ice with the spud like you do. It's i'm using an ice all. Yeah i bet. Yeah if you fold your poll up and everything. I don't think that would work too. Well of ice auger but now. I'm i'm drilling like five six holes parallel to each other. Okay just to make because i. I was using chainsaw up but the problem was that i'm running like an eighteen inch bar and you got like twenty four inches of ice. So you'd have to cut a big you know big wide opening. And then you'd have to pull all the big ice chunks out and then you have to step down and cut again with the ice hockey you can just go through all through in one punch and then i'm running like four or five and then some i'll just chip the ice in between the holes a little bit icier and there. I'm starting to like that quite a bit. There you go you just need to get a bigger saw a bigger bar. Although guys have told me if you he dumb idiot just find the run and you want to do that. Which a lot of times. I've joked holes and then walked a few feet and fell through at times but we Yeah i've got like a. I guess i'd call like three foot square hole or so and then and then cut cut that part portion you cut out a cut that into quarters and then shove that underneath the ice and i'd always i always try to locate my my whole in between the cash and the house or at least on the edge of the cash And i'd prefer aspen or Birch for forbade One because it's kind of kind of a lot lighter color than the willows. The elders or anything. So i think in my mind sticks out better in the water like i just picture this beaver coming out of his house and make this cartoon. You know news like you know. Here's your dinner sweet. Yeah something that just jumps right out at you know until that date that baseball and a shove it all the way down into the bottom and then i'll take usually i take screws polls or some sort of dead tree. That's around their dead at call the two inch two inches around or so something of that size. And i'd bridge the whole make cross and then Wire those to the poll. So everything's kind of solid then and then just hang a snare Force mares one off each side of each of the the brace kohl's yeah either side of the people and just hang just below the ice have caught co colorado be like that you've ever have them cut from the bottom. I've never had a date. Poll doing that. So there were wandering. They're always coming into the of the ice. And i don't know if they come out and they cut it at the top of the ice i they can pull it out of the mud on the bottom. I don't know. I guess i've never seen a beaver do that. Under the ice but The only problem i have had with that is if they come out before that whole skims over with ice or anything like that. Yeah yeah then. Sometimes you'll have a beaver sitting on top of the ice or he'll be sitting in the water you not dead I think i've only had that happen twice. Though and one other issue. I had actually been big beaver ever caught Squared seventy two inches. He he as he was big He got hung up the snare and then there was a log in the water. Like i'm talking like an entire tree and it came up and he got the snare wrapped around that log. One time got hung up in one or the other snares and then got wrapped around the log again underneath it and he was froze to the in between the log and the ice into snares and i spent probably the better part of two hours chain sawing around where i suspected this beaver was 'cause i like reached underneath and felt where he was at and that was cold And then proceeded to cut out this huge block of ice And then found out that this log was in there too and shoved my chainsaw down as far as i could without like emerging it and got that log cut and then i had this huge block of ice and beaver and log that i had to figure out how to get out of water and The trick for that was one of my old wolf snares that had ninety six inches of cable on it. Yeah so the loop was big enough to get around that whole big chunk ice and everything and then i pull out on the ice and then proceeded to chip around the beer with my spun. Dope didn't didn't hit him. And yeah i was. I was pretty lucky there but yeah that was. That was a big deal and so i guess that's like the biggest flaw with that said is is that you can get tangled up and things underneath there or the beavers can be still alive when you get there. Yeah right and i think it seems to me in my little bit of experience. Of course i learn a little bit more every year. Every time i screw up but it it seems that the you know they. They exit the house and they're hugging the bottom and as they get closer to the feet bile they're raising up in the water column and so i don't know if that's the case but it seems like when we're my snap polls like right by the entrance of the house you'll tend to get the beaver cutting right near the bottom and as kosher anything when you get a fair distance from the house. They're always cutting rate as close to the ice as they can right under the ice. Okay i don't know if they just think they can get maximum amount of that poll cut off so they can drag it back to the house but an enemy. The other thing is it's hard to tell because a lot of times like you'll catch a beaver and then you know there's other beavers been coming back and forth after that beavers already been caught in and they'll sometimes you'll have the poll three pieces. You know they're obviously coming back and chewing things off and going through that sure. That's one of the only times that i could feel like. I'm similar to trapping in alaska as when i'm under a beaver trapping. Yeah you catch many doubles and stuff but the way you almost run your set almost. Never almost every yeah. I've caught To maybe two doubles it. Seems i would say probably like but it. It seems when when you kept one they mess up snares pretty bad his all in one poll and so pretty much. Everything's taken down and most a minor. Four snare sets The times that i've had doubles. I think both times were ahead. Three tiers of snare side six snares and it was one beaver on the top and one on the bottom. Okay so i'm thinking that was just you know they. The born of the bottom was far enough away. That one of the top didn't mess up the those volunteers nares okay. I thought we caught. I would say like probably ten percent of mine have been doubles. But i think kind of same thing you hang on her up and he just you know he's swimming around underneath there and it doesn't take much current to get the rest of this nerve the fire you know where he bumps him or whatever but i yeah to try your your method sometime. Yeah i don't know if it's the best. I try to experiment. A little de seems to you get utah to action With with a method having you know the the snares in the poll everything. The paul is bate. I've tried a lot of the old. The old style means that's where the polls is dead and you got beat sticks nailed to it and stuff and in his fine when you get beaver coming in. But there's it's very very often where beaver just gonna go buy it. And they don't even pay attention to it. I think it's back to your Thing about the cartoon you know You want something big and bright and something that stands out that really them to it but you you are cases where you have the full chewed off in the snares fired and you get nothing in the trap and nothing in the snares and that's I a lot of people have that experience. It seems to be pretty common with that set and the the best the best guys in the underage beer snare and business just say said a bunch more you know set set four or five of those and you're gonna have one or two of them that are gonna be fired off but you may have beaver and the rest of them and i can't. I've had years where i'll go I think i had not this past year but the year before i almost had no misses a and i only did. I might have been like twenty twenty twenty or something like that and then the year before that i think i had like i had probably I i hate to bring say numbers. Because i don't really remember. But maybe twelve or fifteen behalf. I i missed. I was like it seemed to be like half the time. I'd missed beaver. I'd have to pull chewed off in the snares fired. And i didn't do anything different so i i don't understand eh probably have to catch two three four hundred to really understand it. I guess a lot of work. Yeah i don't have that any beaver guys that do it. I've been scouting for ever and it seems like when you're looking for him. There aren't as many as you thought there were right. I you funny. You said before we started tonight. You had something about some getting shot or some by the road there that you thought been shot and i went. I was scouting here the other night after work and i was riding around hunting birds and looking for beaver lodges and i found i was like wow. This is awesome. It's only like three or four miles from my house for five miles and the there's this logic ripe by the road. It's all mud up their sticks everywhere. There's beer just going nuts. So i walked over. I just like you. I get the anex. I went to mark my My location that lodge and i at there's something on the surface of the water on the edge of the pond. What is that the big beaver in there. So i'm sure. A bird went by and saw beaver swimming around and shot it down. So it's it's one of those things you can't seem to win when you're looking for him right. You guys you probably. You're not allowed to shoot beavers down there. No it's not legal issue. Can you shoot there there. There are some units up. Here you can. In fact the wife and i were talking about that. We were this morning. And then i found a couple of beaver houses out there and and we cheat at that. She's like well. If we see when can we she'd it. And i was like no not here but there are places you can. Yeah further from town. Probably just across the river. He just got a goal other side of the lot. It's this imaginary line you know. And and i've i've gotten some nuisance kermit's before and i Through work and everything like that. Where the plug and colder up and whatnot. I'll call get a nuisance permit. So i can just shoot them instead of trying to trap them so that i can just be done with it and and so i shot. Maybe six about all the more. I've ever shot to something that i've thought about doing going out in the spring rafter ice out and try to get them before they start fighting and stuff. Yep the you know is are still good. But i've just something i've never done. Probably be fun to do better. Definitely i don't know there's something about trapping but i think i enjoy that a lot more than shooting. Yeah make a bunch of casterman sets in the spring. The ds eighty five yup burger. So you use on xtra market trap locations I'll probably do that. This year. I just downloaded the app like halfway through last winter and And started using it in the summer. He used during hunting season and Actually got on my. Gps and downloaded a bunch of my locations and stuff just punched him in manually on the phone don't think alma mater but yeah i've used differ quite a bit besides just hunting especially they'll let the land ownership thing There's one trail i was looking at. Maybe trapping close to town here. So that i could take the kids out and and get them kinda more introduced into it. The the oldest daughter's really taken into hunting and trapping and stuff this year cool. She was looking forward to go and beaver trapping and she was pretty bummed. The other day the one house we walked to and didn't have enough sign and then the other one that the viewers and i would assume they were shot. That's my guess because dot went and took the damn out and whatnot and in the beaver. Seven attempted to rebuild it or anything but just didn't see anything looked promising and And so we went. Look at this other house and near is just five or six. I chewed sticks. Just nothing really gave very good Indication that there was gonna be a reason to put a trap there but the oldest daughter was pretty bummed. You know she was all excited about going and looking for beavers and then like we said you know the isis too thick and thin. yup. I'm a year too thin to walk through too thick or too sick to walk through too thin to walk on yup yup exactly so the eye anyway she She shown a lot of interest in that. So i've been thinking about trying to get somewhere close to the house that the just run a quick line and with cats being high last year. Maybe we can pick up a cat or two and do you know something to keep her really interested in it. Because when you're out running your traps zero or whatever kids not gonna stay entertained with that very long right if you're not stuff so you can find someone else. Got a a piece of land pretty decent fairly decent sized piece of land near town. You can hopefully trap on. Yeah her. even this this place were were buying. it's got some land to it and barren land baron. That's it just trying to get into cattle farming like you. But it's the properties all backed up with State of alaska land There's some blm land. That's out that way too when it's all public lands so you think you cut it. You could cut a line from your house. Yeah and that's what i'm thinking. I'm gonna cut a small loop lime. Just there's i gotta watch out far go because there's a there is a winter trail there. That dog mushers use and snow machines and stuff. And i just don't want to get get caught onto that where people start running by trap line to that doesn't go over so well dog owners and that's that's a big conflict. We have up here especially around. You know dog owners and trappers. And i'm not gonna live to. I've got two dogs like slide day. My no no. They were just people if they're took their dog for a walk. You know places. There's places that. I been trapping for a few years. Not had any problems and then somebody decided that they're gonna come and run their dog out here and you know and then obviously smells. Good dog too. They're going to come investigate it. And but i just recorded an episode on that dogs and trapping earlier today. Probably go out here in a couple of weeks and her neck probably next week and that's boy that really hard to find an answer to that. I mean it's 'cause places like fairbanks are changing. There's a lot of people. Moving in and people are retired. Go time on their hands. They wanna walk. The dogs get some exercise and they don't understand trapping and Updates boy it's a tough one. Yup it is. And it's i guess a lot of the problem we run into here. You know that same situation. This guy's been trapping this trail for maybe even ten years. You know and never had a problem and then decides. They're going to start walking their dog down here and then their dog gets pinched in freak out. They don't know how to get it out or you know. Their dog does get hurt break. Its leg especially when you're talking bigger traps you know number nine and stuff like that You can't say it's trappers fault and you can't say the dog owners fault or you know who do you really put the blame on. And and it's been. I think it depends on the situation. But there's definitely there's some There's some areas up here where there's been some pretty ignorant people but traps where they shouldn't put them. You know kinda like well. I can trap. Because i i have the right to. Yeah and yeah you do but not a good outcome for robbers. Yeah probably not a good place to be running traps and you know after. I had my incidents and stuff like that. It's ok well. People are starting to move in here to walk their dogs and stuff. And i'm just gonna put traps because you know i'm not nearsighted. It's you start having all these conflicts and stuff like that and trapping always always looks bad. It's you know it's never the dog or back. It's always the traffic. That looks bad trays and and distant. My is is if we can avoid those situations and we're not shining a light on for trapping responsibility geez. I should've had you on for that episode. Three do this again redone. It it happens. It happens every year up here multiple times a year. It's newspaper bank. Yep yep happens fairbanks happened. Anchorage united into la. There is last year. There was a big battle about one of the trails down there on the peninsula. I don't remember where it was that but yeah the town was trying to take over trying to have the authority on regulating trapping but something to that effect right. Yep yep yeah. Anchorage actually has a trapping band in the municipality. And and i don't know if that got tied up in court and then valdes i had the same thing and Alaska trappers association goes in and they serve fighting that stuff. Because it's it's a start in in alaska the municipalities don't have t- To regulate trapping right fishing fishing game. Everything yup everything up here is is fishing game and the state manages all resources Even on federal land at supposed to be the state manages the resources. And if you go if you get into that whole rabbit hole of every town municipality regulating their own trapping rules. I mean what a nightmare imagine. How does the guy keep track of the difference. You know. say if they you know they did have that around fairbanks that h- how does a guy. No you know you gotta keep five different sets of regulations in mind so make it near impossible to trap. Those are the things to think about. When you're thinking god there's a trail over here. Should i set my raps should i. I don't know you know that's the kind of thing to to keep in mind is Long term what. How's that can affect the long-term if does does get caught right and you know. There's there's no Marking requirements or anything for traps theory. That tags on your traps. You don't have to signed on your trap lines. But i would say the majority of responsible people responsible trappers up here they do mark trap lines you know this is trap line traps on and off trail. Here's my name. Here's my phone number and and honestly a lot of other users. Don't respect that stuff. They get mad when when a trapper puts that stuff out on their trail. And it's like this is bs like josh. Should be able to use this trail to. And maybe maybe john here has been trapping this trail for twenty years and now all of a sudden. The dog mushers in the skiers another recreational users want to use it and and they get mad that he's running traps on there and it's you know it's it's definitely a a real issue. 'cause yes certainly because the trappers outnumbered go definitely and it's you know like we were just saying the trappers always wrong on it. So yeah it's a yearly thing up here yep just keep moving further out of town man. Yeah that's what i keep saying. If things get worse than me. And i'll be in alaska that's fine. Only things get worse banks just move further and further out of town right. There's a fisheries biologist position. At least there used to be in galena. So let's talk. Let's talk after lena's a little. How do they feel about outsiders in galena. Okay that's i the couple times i've been there you know. I have any problems. If if sydney huntington was still there at jump all over that yeah there you go you just gotta come get your residency so you you can continue on with your fisheries for. Yeah that's that's that's one option I it's a very risky option. But another option to hopefully retire. While i'm still in good good enough shape retire early when i'm still good enough shape to trapping out there. There you go ship sell everything ship up there but yeah we'll see dactyl family to follow all i'll maybe the kids will be in school by then they'll be they'll have their own thing going on and just have to drag the wife up. Maybe yeah maybe up to. I don't off to talk about that more later of one thing i did want to talk with you about the only thing left that i haven't covered yet. Is this This new thing that you have started you have been Sewing and making your own for items and this you sent me this these beaver mitts this incredible hat Tell me about how you got started in that. and what. that's all about Well i guess that. I've always had an interest in doing that with my first Or at least getting my wife do it with my first. I'll go. I'll go catch it. You saw it and then you can sell it. And i'll do all the fun stuff and yeah. How's it going to do the work. I'm doing it all so but it. I guess the media's grabbing it and doing it was from a couple of winters ago i think we went fishing ice fishing and i had my beaver hat and she was like i'm cold said okay. Fine here my hat and stick my hat. And then she kept talking about how she needed a hat and and so two years. I think two year while. After that. I asked her what kind of house you wanted. And she's like what do you mean i said. What kind of hat do you wanna. You wanna be hat or your heart hat or or what. She's like walking. I have and i said pick one of the first hanging around the house. Except for the wall for the wolverine. I'm not putting those up and And she kinda hot about it for a while and then finally when went. Grab the link off the wall and threw it at me and said i wanna hat out of this and i said okay so i started trying to figure out where to patterns from and And how you know just how to go about it. I didn't have any idea. And i just happened to be working out. And in manley. Hot springs and mentioned something about wanda so sofer if one of the guys out there and he's like my wife teach you and i was like what my wife will teach you. She loves showing people how the seoul for and whatnot. And i was like okay. Well next time. I come out. I'll bring something while. It was like a year before. I was out there again but before i before i came out there. I think i text her and asked her. If i brought stock she would be up for Show me how to do that. And she was like bring your stuff. And then i asked her what else i needed. And she gave me a list of things to bring. And so i brought it out there and and We've we wiped out the hat. And i think to evenings or something after work and she saw like a traditional sewer background. Yup yup she. She grew up down on the lower yukon in okot river area down. There grew up trapping and and living this assistance lifestyle with her family and and then she came up. I think wanna say she lives in town and offer a while but don't quote me on that and And then she got married to the this co worker of mine and and they just live out there now and cheese sauce for everybody. You know that interested in it and then show. She'll show anybody how to do. It just wants to keep the traditional live kinda Yeah she she enjoys doing it. She loves doing it. and And and and she enjoys passing it on trees daughter her daughter oh and her daughter-in-law and And then obviously me and And she even when we were selling the hat and stuff like that. And i said well. How hard is a pair of mittens to make. And and you know. I have left on this cat. And she was like oh yeah and she poses mitten pattern out and made a pair of mittens to and and she was just all about showing me how to do everything with it and And so we got. We got one bit and put together out there before i had to leave and then tend everything together on the second one and then when i came back from that trip. That's when you were up here. Okay picked up. But i didn't have them both. I didn't have both mittens today. I remember the hat. But i don't remember the men's yeah. I don't think i had both mittens done. I had the hat on for sure. But surprise. surprise him with the mid and and whatnot but You know she absolutely loved that and then you liked it. And i was like man i could get into this and then you you sent me those first and and i tackled that on my own. I didn't i didn't have really shady. Did you have a pattern or did use the pattern from kim's hat. Don't i got a pattern from somebody else here in town and we went to little. I'd sent you a fisher and three martin. Maybe something like that To fisher and to martin's okay yep to fisher into martin and man you guys is. Martin are law smarter smaller time. Yeah yeah they are. It's a lot to get an x. l. martin here yeah. i got And that was. That was like that was a challenge for me. You know trying to figure out how to get what i needed to get like the size of the pattern and stuff like that out of the martin. Because the martin wasn't big enough for the old patterns so i had to like cut and splice and and try to make things blend that was definitely challenged. Or somebody who's only doing. Their second hat doesn't It's i i enjoy doing it. I enjoy challenge And it's kind of therapeutic and and And rewarding too. Because it's not necessarily with your first but with you know with i had i made for ten minutes man. I caught this skimmed it. I didn't can't got ten. And then i like. I made this product out of this and that's pretty cool And you know even the same thing with the areas. It's like man. I'm doing this This is gonna be cool. Jeremiah's furs and he's gonna have his his own for hat now and it's stuff that he caught and Yeah and it's it's not full stuff. It's not it's like it's going to be used you know it's not a fashion thing is just like this is this is good. This is warm. This is stylish. Looks awesome feels awesome. Just there's nothing from what i've experienced. There's nothing warmer than for either. And it's i loved my beaver hat that i have. It actually gets too hot if you start chopping wood or splitting wood or something like that. It's too much And i and i kind of learned that you know. I'll manley that. The different versions are good for different things and beaver and otter and stuff are good. If you're just if you're sitting around but once you start working there just too hot. Because they do retain their heats. Well yeah And i don't want ruin the surprise but you're going to get a package in a couple of days probably see nice awesome. Yeah so what's the occasion on this one could so you're not done sewing you've been you've been sewing yes. Yeah i've been sewing. And i probably would've sold a lot more but i sold almost all of my extra i that i had To to pay for a trip to disneyworld world for the kids last year But i just actually just got a couple of cats for martin in a firm and back from the tannery yesterday. So i got. I got some more stuff to play with now. Well you're gonna eat. I have to otters. I sent to malls so i know you want to but just let me know. I want them when i get them back there. Yours okay Yeah i'd i'd like to have that first pattern i use versus the second one. I think i liked about a little more. The cow hat fits and everything But i'll keep playing patterns and stuff and hopefully the everything works out with this thing that i sent you. What's the hardest part of this whole for sowings or the for manufacturing thing I'm gonna say like sewing sewing. Defer part of it Because when you're trying to soul like the for to the for pieces for peace for peace the hairs always trying to come up in between your stitches and stuff and maybe i'm just too particular about it But just trying to get it to where all the hairs like on. Its pulled out the right side of stitch. It's not like bunched up and stuff That and then probably the second part is thing i would say is to make sure you're not bunch and stuff up to where he asked to. It's called like a gather statuary after they start trying to make up ground on one side or the other. Because you're not you're pulling too much or something when you're showing it so things come out even at the end like they're supposed to okay But the baby showed me some pretty good trips or doing that with the gather stitches and and where to start doing them. You have to constantly check to make sure you're not pulling too much one way or the other and it's it's a lot more exaggerated when you're so in two different types of fabric together Because like the first stretches more than and say like the leather. That's on the shell of your hat right okay. So there's just a lot of little things like that you have to pay attention to and then i'm by no means an expert at doing this since i've only made a couple of hats but in that like the liner inside of that was that like a from a blanket or something. What was that material. That's all that's all just Fleece fleece but anti police felicia and and there's some it probably wasn't so hard for me like picking up and learning how to do it because i had somebody they were so good at doing it and had been doing it. You know her. Entire life to show me all these little tricks and stuff. Like when i called and i told you or maybe a text and told you that i wanted to fix your hat. Because if something's not right on yeah you don't know but i know it's early dude. What are you talking about. what's wrong right. There's just because you know. When i when i made this the second hat i was looking at that going okay. What do i need to do different here. Because i didn't like that on jeremiah's at and and i figured it out. That took me some thinking but i remember you know how save you showed me to do it with kim's hat so it was An exercise in memory for sure. But it's it's i. I've enjoyed learning how to do it. And and kim wants wants me to show her how to do stuff. And i'd have to find a pattern that i like and then we'll probably take off from their time right. It's pretty time consuming. Actually it's not. I was surprised. really yeah. It's well like kim's hat when i made that i probably spent. I'm gonna say not even not even eight hours making it. Wow there's a lot of stitches. There are a lot of out. There are a lot of a lot of holes you had to poke through for yup. Yeah and it's the only thing that that i sold with. A slowing machine is Is just a shell. And i couldn't even get it. Yeah i do that with your did use the sewing machine online. Yeah just on the shelf. that's it just the show. So the shell pieces to the showpieces. Okay so what do joints. I think that i use seems i should have brought it out. It's in the house right now. But yeah that i wouldn't know would i. Because the liners covering that up because the stuff you see is all you can toes hand. It was hand done. Jeez that's yup yup extending meticulous but when it's forty below what else you gonna do. Yeah and if you're evening off of work in you what do you do. Sit there watch. Tv right and that's you know. That's what i made. Your hat was my evenings after work up the road there and you know i got three hours or four hours or so to make my dinner. And he way from just chilling rather and a you know i'd rather do something productive and sit there and stare at the screen on tv so you're gonna do more of it. Yeah yeah i'm fully planning on. It was already when when research showed up yesterday. I was already turning to decide what i was going to do with them. Nice any you're gonna ever ever sell any of it that in the plants if i hadn't really thought about it As soon as you come up here and we get a long line going together trap more. Furry yeah we could probably start selling it because at that point we're going to really have to find ways to sally we're going to be able to send it to occupy. I don't think i would right now. Anyway yeah the free market is dead right. Yeah i you know. I know i can always go sell wolverine but it might be harder to pardoning cats. Yeah and and i can honestly always been able to beaver to and i. Don't you know the guy selby. He's always said that he'll always be refer me interesting. 'cause i started trapping them because we they really care for so i'm sure that's probably the same thing but i i do enjoy getting things tanned. One hanging hanging on the house here pretty much. I have one of everything i've ever caught hanging on the wall. You make or sell early on overtime. You make up for that by keeping a bunch yup and i. I think i figured that out. When i caught my first wolf as i started. That's about when i started keeping my first of everything. So i got my first wolf which is a gray and then i got my first black one and i caught a blue. I kept that And then just on down the line from there i guess. That's maybe a a piece of advice. That i never would have thought that i'd share with somebody but for very young trapper. What would you offer old-timer for what what advice do you have for me. I think one of the things i would say is Keep keep one of every for you. Catch i one. They'll never forget it. You'll never forget it. There's always a store you get that for hanging on the wall and the rest of your life you'll see that and you'll remember that story. Yep data definitely bring back memories just looking at it. You know even like that cat. That i got up to make kim's first one and and even i even thought to myself like man. Do i really want to cut this up. But you'll see you'll see it every winter. And and i just thought you know that's my first cat number one. I caught it down by where kim grew up. So there's you know there's a connection there and and then she's going to be wearing it around and it's the first hat i ever made the first pair of mittens i ever made. There's a lot of i with that and it's not like it's guy still here but it's just not hanging on wall to the union. Screw that one. Yeah no kidding you remember that one time. Oh jeez well if you get that cabin Get the line setup. I'll go run the traps and you can make stuff out of the sell it. I can do all your or so important skin. i'll skin you can sell okay. I'm not gonna come to saw i just. I don't think. I have the ability. But okay i can't you should have seen. I've tried to draw stuff. I just have no absolutely no artistic ability. Okay well how are you for skin and are you. Are you quick no. I'm very slow. But i don't make i'm getting better. I don't make a lot of mistakes. Okay battle after change. Why are we catch a lot of for why. Yeah we're going to run the big long line. Yeah we'd better put some numbers up. We need to get to that. What what what do they say you can do. A martin and eight minutes Ordine eight minutes ready to go on the board. Eight minutes yeah. I've heard that that'd be tough for me. I think i'm about fifteen twenty. I i can have them tacked on a board twenty two minutes. That's the fastest. I've ever done it. Your mariner baidu yeah. They're just easier skin. Then it's like right feazel than i used to be used to be pretty slow with cats and wolves and stuff but i got showing a couple of things on that. Probably have my time on skimming them. I would bet in you say that but like what. I learned this winter. There's a lot of dead time in the cabin because you're out there and there's nothing else to do and dark for a long time before you to go to bed. You know you probably got five six hours dark before he goes to bed or more. Yep in so you can skin a lot of in that tyne strew or you can so a lot of for in that time right but we'll figure it out figure out the details there you see how soon as you get up here wolf if we're gonna figure it out our our cabin in the line and then you can work on the the other things. Yeah all right Anything else did. We miss anything. Anything i didn't cover you wanna talk about what's taken that. I was gonna ask you stuff about your your trip up here. But i should probably go back and listen to what you talked about. So you're not. I can repeat it audrey getting than you don't pay much attention when they're listening refresher from twenty episodes ago shore. No i think. I can't think anything we've missed and i'm sure we can. We can do this again. All interview sometime about your your thought to trap them up here. Yeah that'd be fine. I hijack your podcast. Yup it's been done before The in i mean i guess in general just. It was everything that i expected to be it to be but it was way more. If that makes any sense now is like you know you hear about talk about during the about it you think about it and you herald stories and but then you get there and it's like wow this is all actually real and like the scenery you can see thousand pictures of the wintertime in interior alaska but when you actually see it it's to me. It was completely different. And i don't know if that's just Just me saying that like from my viewpoint or whatever but everything was just like the the way that the air everything so cold and the air is so clear there's like there's no vapor no moisture in the air. It's so dry. In the sun hits the trees. And it's just it's unbelievable how crystal-clear everything is is. That is that we weird to say. That i mean no no 'cause i know i know what you're talking about especially when you boy from the cities and stuff like that like like everything's in high definition. Exactly that's exactly what it is exactly what it is in an like. I'm sitting on the bank of the porcupine and you look upstream. You look downstream in. There's nothing there and you look up at the sky and it's all blue there's no jet trails in the sky and there's like one raven or crow or whatever just calling in the distance as the Afternoon for like twenty thirty minutes and it was just dead silence. I mean that's awesome. That's in end Stupid things like like you walk on a pack trail in that sound that you boots make great just that creaking that like squeaking that your boots. The rubber makes the snow because it's so cold. It's almost like allowed. That is in stop for a second in. Everything's is dead silent so just a little knob dead silent you. There's nothing making any noise it's Yeah it's the netflix. Yeah go ahead now. It definitely something something different that you can you. Can you can talk about it and explain it all you want. But when you're when you're saying like it is dead quiet it is like you. There's not a humdrum like a distant machine or nothing you know. you're you're forty miles from the nearest motor. Besides you jim we. We'd get to a spot. And i one time i stopped and i was like how many people have been here in the last twenty years. Like been on at this on this This creek about five like you get out there and you're on this line and you stop in your alone and you know there's nobody for at least twenty miles in you almost like i'm a. I'm a visitor up there. And i don't own any of that and i'm i'm just there for two weeks and it was almost like i don't like that was my area. You know you almost feel like an ownership like this is my ground. I just set traps here and nobody else is gonna come here and could do that. How many places in alaska you can do that. All over the state. There's just so much area that that you could you could just pop onto a spot. If you knew where everybody was and who's trap line was where you could pop into a spot and you could. You could essentially own that. I mean in your own mind. There's there's some truth to that for sure we get here one. Snowmobile come up over in two weeks. But i imagine that season in the fall when they're running boats up there ever. I'm sure it's pretty busy. But all winter all that places dead yup definitely when when kristen and i were running that that seventy mile line the about the first twenty mile twenty five miles of it. There were people that use that to get to a lake out there. Recreational lake people at cabins and stuff on but after that there was nothing. You know same thing. We were the only ones on that trail for forty miles. Oh i remember. We stop one time on a on the river and it was like the end january. We stop the launch. Like the first time. I felt the heat of the sun. You know all coming into all year. Yeah i after he hit winter and stuff you know. The sun doesn't have any warrants to her for a while and then like we stopped the river. The the and i took my helmet off and it was like boom sun in my face man. That's nice. I feel good and and you just sit there and it's like we could. We could see mel mckimmie and everything out there like looking at a book like this awe-inspiring view. And everything. like that and same thing. Not not a sound you years remits years ring Quite like that sometimes. Yeah like kind of the tonight is ring that you'll get yup i get about their. It's like you're trying so hard to hear if there's a noisy just like get that buzz going up for sure. Improbably the other big thing On a subconscious level for me being out there was the the fact that there were essentially no regulations. No rules and i've always been a lot of us. Have that kinda pioneer spirit. Where you you want to experience the way things were years ago before everything got built up and regulated and roads and bridges and homes and civilization and jobs and everything else and you go into a place where like i. I love trapping out here. And i don't get me wrong i really do. I mean this is a beautiful place in the northeast as good as it gets in my opinion. But when i go out there there's always this little thing in the back of my mind like doing things right am i following the rules and m. i. Obeying the law. Am i gonna get in trouble if something happens if somebody gonna come and see my chops and out there. All that was gone. It was like a whole weight. Lifted your shoulders like just go out and set traps and have fun and you got. You could do whatever you wanted if you saw place that look good for a scenario a snare if you want to three thirty for wolverine on the ground you you set it in everything was just. It was like a whole new world like wow. This is what. I've been missing huge sense of freedom. Yep yep for sure. Yeah all right man. Well i guess we'd better get going. All right. sounds good will do it again. I'll write down the questions. Yes that sounds. Good a back you sometime. That'd be fun. You gotta do the intro and everything now okay. You're practicing on that. And it took me about one hundred episodes before i get it right but you're quicker quicker than the you'll pick it up. I don't know about that but okay all right man. We'll take care. Thanks a lot for for For talking with me. Thanks for having me. I would again sounds good okay. That's that for this week. Hope you enjoyed it. I sure did and we're going to have a little bit more coming up with me. And josh josh actually took over the podcast and interviewed me the other day. So that's gonna come up. Appear at some point in the next couple of weeks and we kinda he kinda turn tables a little bit so Looking forward to that now. It's time for the koch brothers deal of the week go to koss. Brose dot com. Kf bureau dot com. And when you place an order from cots bros you have the option to create an account. And you're gonna wanna do that. You're on d. 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Lovecraft Country Recap Show - Episode 2 "Whitey's On The Moon"

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Lovecraft Country Recap Show - Episode 2 "Whitey's On The Moon"

"You're listening to the black girl. NERDS podcast. Seven, eight hundred bleeping to the end from world. and. Every Lazy Med Zonta rise space we, make. Target gave. The actors were. Black. Benedict. Police. runners. Welcome to this episode of the Black Owners podcast I'm your host and Jelica and joining me as always is my co-host Ryan Hey Ryan. Everybody. Hi Guys. This week we are covering lovecraft contrary episode to Whyte's on the moon and you guys. We're going to actually bring you an episode at least once a month I'm till we get through this. Kind of sad that the season is over hopefully we have a season two, but it's GonNa be fun to just Kinda like go back rewatch reminisce. That's what we're here for Ryan what were your first thoughts on this episode? well, you know overall I'm still loving it definitely love and a season can't wait to get the talk turned out Yeah for this episode. I like I said I. There was some moments for me that would just for me when it gets I really emotional some of those really on your Hartson adult like being on the edge of my Sita's hours on this episode. To meet there was those moments where I was lying. Let's get the ever. So three because it was like some heavy obits but yeah, I. Mean you know I'm still loving like you know all the actresses and everything that's going on and they had a lot of cool points especially for what we're dealing with time period. On. So yes, out I'm still I'm still lovecraft fans still on the journey. How about you? I'm definitely sold on. It I was you know like I said, we already ended the season. So I've been really heavy into facebook groups. You know lovecraft facebook groups I've been on twitter and the conversation is largely positive on this show that black people needed Time Eh Kinda like I said, it goes back to the whole. The scariest thing on the shell aren't the monsters it's the white people and. Getting Liberty Glare, they're making that clear right and you know for the I feel like a lot of white people are actually becoming more aware and watching the show exist how black people perceive as this is what we really look like and it's like I'm going to stuff like really happens us that was perpetrated by your great grandfather, your grandfather style It's it's nice unflinching look at it and much like watchmen last year I feel like lovecraft is doing the same this year. So hopefully, emmys are on the way just like we predicted for watchmen that's the same for lovecraft country. out there to put that out there shouts. On his emmy. Damage. Have you So yeah. So this episode is titled. The Moon, which is a nod to the nineteen seventy spoken word poem which was written and recited by guilds got hair in an basically it tells of the medical debt and poverty experienced. During the Apollo Moon landings the poem Beasley critiques the Resources Spent on the space program while black Americans were basically suffering and marginalized So in many ways on what we see on this episode as far as the brace whites pursuit of immortality in Eden, all power is at the expense of a black body whose tick and we'll get into that later on in the recap series, but the title was very fitting basically Very fitting. So we open up with a very familiar song moving on up, which is the things onto the television series the Jeffersons by John Devoy or do boss on Economic French James Apologies in advance. But we all know it moving OUGHTA. Right yeah I like that I really do like that opening except for the fact that it was just fill it at all like he knew was going down. But yeah, I did like it was very fun. It was like a very fun opening like not what you were expecting at all is this show is like in a nutshell, just not expecting it to everytime right? Exactly. It's a completely black and white from or different. Then the the last thing that we saw from episode one were there like covered in blood and show I? Half in and then like Oh we're moving on up. Moving on up they're happy. You know letty has all these beautiful clothes that are perfectly. Ankle. George has his library with every single book that he ever want to read. You know the songs plan ladies dance, and you know we got journal note about a lady. Oh, sure sure you. Costume Designer Dana Pink said it was about she when they wanted to make a dreamer in this because I. Really liked this on her there was like a couple of other episodes where I really like the Alpha to. You know. Where gives you that that was like that a question outfit? That's It. So you had that fabric for that period, but then you put like a little modern patterns on it. So basically, we know going throughout leads always that person that's like she was at like fabulous armor so to speak, but you know inside hoping stubs going on with ladies so I that was kind of cool to find that out and then like. To kind of anatomy like they every every Alpha throughout the season. 'cause I'm always thinking like has that little hidden secret as she doesn't want people to know right. Let me let us that girl who you're walking down the street. You see her like she looks fabulous and like so where'd you get that? She might not tell you like right arm and You're like. Where you got that friend. Exactly Oh bet is hurt. They like the way she strode out what what are you doing right now? Ma'am. So yes. So they're all well letty endured are making themselves row comfortable up in these why people's house does very comfortable very happy. You know an apparently as four reasonable. We'll get to that. Later I'm still come out the rooms and took issue suspicious like he don't trusted. that. Levy's clothes fit perfectly like a glove. How is it that? George is books are his fate like there. There has to be a reason for this. You don't just let people up in your home. It just doesn't make sense. And then I think they actually got. Got pulled out of the room because of an alarm going off they're like what the hell what is going on and the pair like the. As it's the lunch bell and incomes Williams just swagger ethic just walking in with all the waft looking good I'm anyway. Any thumbs like, oh, no big deal. It's just the lunch bell. I'm here to make sure that your stay is wonderful. I was told treats you like family and they're like a everybody is like, oh. You know the owner of this house Samuel Brace went away on business with Christina and then took like where's my father? He's like I can't I. Don't know it's really not my please in essay gives me the creeps. Door. They start walking around and they happened upon this big giant portrait. Of this white guy in this hooded cloak. So uncle George assumes that Samuel and they're he's in Williams like, no, no no. That is his distant cousin who was the owner of the home and his name was titus brace wife He was the founder of Artem as well and so like there in those grandiose. Wonderful just like everyone's dream home and they're wondering where this guy has fortunate from Williams like shopping. And that he's like Aka slavery. Yup Yeah. So. Yeah. So they're like and apparently he was very kind to slaves. So that's something we should take away I. always hate that description like whenever? Yeah, it's the worst. Slave owners like there's like apparently distinction between the ones that were harsh and Tara sitter slave owners like album matthew was a kind man. He was a benevolent master no bump that they're still slave owners they still. People like anywhere. 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There's always like hints. And foreshadowing on the show. So you really have to pay attention. This is not a show where you might be on your phone. because I ever. Written into the show everything they say is important nothing to just throw away. So that I. I guess lovecraft bite was moving on up. The next one we're going to get into the town. So Lodge members are actually expected to arrive that even for a celebratory dinner and so in the meantime letty uncle George Antique or she did to this. Meal Verandah. Williams like, hey, you know eat settled down. You know if you call the Butler and then there's really funny scene like ring ring and took like what are you doing? She's like I'm calling the Butler give salt like you know why people don't season their food. Very. True. Very true I mean the by I'm currently I use hellofresh like not to go on a tangent but I use hellofresh now to cook my meals is just really easy. Okay. In the recipes always bill season with salt and pepper and don't tell you they don't tell you season when nothing else and I'm like I can tell these chefs are white folks because I use everything in my spice cabinet. By me. Is. Just not. going. To. Be. A little bit of like pepper. Lumowa, some Adobo, you know seeing some garlic. Some some some I do have kosher. Saw Him saying some lemon pepper's. Parsley some people like celery thaw? You just can't use on pepper. I'm just going to put that out there. Yeah. I I'm. Out here, probably say and I put down. It is not even really a spice but anyways address. So it looking. JELLICOE here. Shelvin Dogu Chef Ange. does not understand why she's eating after all that's happened and let us like what are you talking about? He's like you don't remember the monsters of is could eat you like attacking us the other night and they're like. No I remember waking up in the live in. That's about it. So ticks is to go off and clearly tick had a little bit of anger problem. He's like Yano understand people just don't invite people up in their homes and take care of them onto something is going on. So I'm just like calm down. We'll be on watched sit down eat your food will figure this out together. We'll go into the town and here's a little tidbit from the show. So if you look at the dinner or the lunch table There's an octopus they're. The octopus as one of lovecraft monsters That was like a nod back to lovecraft and his world. Nice I. Don't know if you picked up an octopus actually very tasty. Don't sleep on it that is something I will eat. Am I am I asleep on along? So yes. So they go to the garage after lunch and find what he now last we saw what do the car Ed crashed into the cabin It was completely like done for total and here it is basically brand new on thing that's different. Is the fact that the windows were bust out in the back, which is what happened when they got shot at by the sheriff. So they're like it's almost like like like it was like time went back in something's not right. And so we'll just like walters up on them. Tells him he found the car on the other side of the bridge and you drove and like best not right that makes no sense. This car was destroyed. He's like, no, there were like blood in the front, but the Butler took care of it but other than that now the car is fine. So just. Something's not right. Tick is now witted guy. He is just not right. He he's. He's like sometimes of I need to get out of here and you defined my dad's we can go I don't trust these people. So they end up walking into the town. Is actually talking uncle George. She thinks there's something wrong with it like you know he did go to war possibly you know he has like S. D. and I'm not crazy something is going on we gotta figure this out and by the way the village is super creepy like is it me is. About to say I think they were playing bad moon rising, which made even crappier as they were like walking through. Somebody's GONNA get shot. It was like super me out by what is avenue right now it was very like wicker man like there was actually a wicker man and the kids were like. Crazy and I. See like you're saying about two. He's one of those people that just cannot keep his like cool to blending. Time period is very much about I mean you know not as far as like you do have you know making a stamp statement but just like blending in a little bit like I just feel like he's very loose weight like you said, the anger man is ready to just like late going you like Oh, my God tick. Down because you like somebody who's GonNa try to set up or something like it just never feels good when he's like in that moment not. Just walking around I. was like guys something bad's GonNa Happen. The only black people in this town they need to kind of lay just like running and storm through them like Oh, my gosh. Calm down and also just back to those kids at the wicker they're thinking like ring around the Rosie and ashes is and I would at this reminds me of my daughter my daughter when she was little she I like. Nursery rhyme she learned learned was ring around the rosy but she never saying the whole thing she would just go ashes ashes and just imagine like a little you know eighteen month old walking around. was like that it's so creepy makers, SA-. Shoes. At a young age, she's I for Low Korea. Basically. Yeah. Shoots like ashes they all fall down and you know that's that's about the bubonic plague and dying. So yeah. Yes. You know little things they try to see. You know it's always something when they try to sneak into like he's nursery rhymes like he is stories that you just like though but it's like, yeah, we find you like this why you just need to sometimes be ignorant to somebody like. Like. Bad. But why why would you do that though like why would you sleep it in? Well, you know what? We could probably do a podcast episode dedicated to the original fairy tales because they're all horse. Horse I was light I I'm legit like that to go to like a whole little side thing on these biology when I found some of the stuff I was I walked in. Today sales but I really would have been fine just blissfully going through my person just fine because I'm like I don't know why he had to ruinous for me right now. I'll ruin it for you because there was a stage in my life where I was obsessed with gruesome fairytales because all the tells we hear now are sanitized so Yeah. Yeah. Yeah so Disney kind of it up real nice for us but it we were to break down these. Are we GONNA do that? We're going to episode on Fairy Tales? Boom. Right. As. Absolutely. So yeah. So there there's this creepy wicker man tight. and you know tickets kind of going off and then he hears this whistle and the whistle. He hears sounds like a like you hear movies the dog whistle on which were used last episode to call off the show. Goff's the the Vampire Lake monsters with multiple is that attack them So ended up running into this woman called Dow who has played by Jamie Newman, and she is actually the grounds keeper who is a very racist very rude. To say, easy. Right and George actually mistakes her for the sheriff on because she came out of a stone bills and he kind of knows like, Hey, are you the sheriff and she's like, why do you think he's like well because that's the only stone building that I've seen is entire town and she's like, Oh, now we keep the meat in there because you know creatures like to eat it. So we keep a safe here they're like creatures and she was like you know, yeah, black bears you know there's always issues with the blacks they're smart but not sue smart, but they are bees to are they're clever enough to like find mischief. They're always their noses where they don't belong Clearly. She's not talking about. Black bears. She's talking about. We're not. You got. We're figure out what you're talking about. Okay. Okay. Just rude. and. She tells making what I think. It's time for you guys had back on homes. You know before before dinner begins the sun is setting. So they kinda take heed to her words because this this ain't their town they're not from around these parts So they make their way back in uncle Georgia's like. The the base of that tower the Foundation is stone that tells me that it has a basement like a dungeon dass wear Montross is which is ticks father so they're already making a plan. So, they're walking through the woods. And it's starting to get dark George. Guesses memory of of something that Dora who is text mother, what she told him about. Her ancestors, her people antics like what she told you about her people I. Don't know nothing about my dad doesn't. So, there's obviously something going on between George Montross and door at least in the past like she revealed secrets to him that nobody else knows and he remembers that. She descended from slave named Hannah who escaped the her masters home and it turns out that was titus. And you know the kept mentioned how kind he was to his slaves. While turns out. Hannah was pregnant. So this birthright that Montrose wrote to about this is actually by his lineage or something in his blood he is a descendant of titus. So. It gets crazier. Discussing all this they're walking through the woods. and. The show goths just pop up out of nowhere. Boy To win a breakthrough ground who? was kind of scary. They pop up. Oh my gosh they they can't catch a break and incomes increase Dina on her white horse, the white savior shows up with her little worth though. It's actually funny I listen to HBO's PODCASTS on the show, their official podcast and. One of the hose had mentioned that she was like is that shot a fax and for those you guys that don't know shadow facts. is a noble horse like the King of horses and Lord of the Rings and he is used by Gandalf the white up like that's that's the horse he rides so. and. We're talking about wizards here. So you know here comes Christina Rodnina her white horse to save the day in Dowell pops up to her dogs and she's like, all right Adele. Take them back to the House make sure they stay in their rooms. So I'm at this point we Kinda don't know what's up with Christina issued good. Is Bad dishes something not quite right about like I don't know if I should try her. But she does like she is Clutch Jones Age does come through. So. I don't know I. Don't know about that one. So, yeah. That was that lovecraft bite was a town. So now our next lovecraft by is plans and dreams. So ticks goes to see Samuel Brace wife who was played by Tony Goldwyn. A lot of people know him. From scandal I know him as the Voice of Tarzan Shout Disney? And he was. Even look like Tarzan and he also was like the bad guy in Ghost. He was like Sam's best friend. Oh. Let me play Sam. He was saying best friend the one that portrayed him and he died at the end. Yeah. That guy. So anyways. Fits I couldn't get the scandal at my Miami I. Do I do know where your? As well, but be I. I just couldn't get that on my head I try so hard I was like, why can't I just I need to Samuel Mole right now but I just couldn't get on my I mean I watched like one episode of scandal I couldn't get into it so he's not that. He's not bringing watch more than one episode of scandal like if finished gamble, you understand what I'm talking about I like AC- is like. Out there and watch scandal all you fit Ali'i. Late. Peter. I gotTa pull myself out but I was like. Well. Is Blondes in this and he's racist and. Very cold. That that fix because you know there was something scandal but you know but yeah. L. Thanks will pull you away from that. He's fit. So yeah, there you go. That's like. Me Yeah I mean there's no Olivia Pope here guys but I I get I, get it. He's kind of I. Mean we using the next it? Well, in this one, he's family breath wife, the head of the sons of Adam a racist classy KKK. Way. Yeah that's pretty much what it was. Vice you to dinner which a fancy suits silence. Exactly. So we see him he's in this lab on the table getting a huge chunk of his body taken out of him I'm like what the Hell is going on here. That's one of those things where I was like trying to look away when I was still like. Is like the mini scenes lovecraft. Just white people white people in Tell us like for some type of like ceremony some type of Weird Shit I don't know it. It is what it is. So as So Takata walks in on this and Christina's looks boards and back there like drinking and taking notes and Yeah and it's like intrude white guy fashion after he gets sewed up and he knows this, he's like you know what? What I see. You know what's my favorite thing in this room that painting right there genesis two nineteen and I'm like what? The every time a black person walks into a room with evil white guy he always wants to talk about art go why? Yes. It's always the GO-TO so I mean. The painting is basically the the genesis where Adam is naming every creepy crawly creature. Samuel. Basically 'cause it nirvana where at a point in time everything had it's place. Everything was an order any kind of like ask Tikkun Christina he quizzes them and they'd get the answer right and they're like, yeah, it's about order. He's like, no. What's about creation? It's about naming something So tickets like what are you God in this whole scenario? He's like, no, I am at. You're just like, okay and the Christina's like, yeah, and then ruined it. So yeah. and. If we think about this this whole, this whole order is the patriarchy. It's nothing but men in power here we have this capable smart beautiful woman Christina who will never be a part of it. She's always going to be a periphery because she is a woman because she is of eve and you know Eve's greatest and apparently was searching for knowledge. So Christina is dangerous to these men she's not allowed there so. I think that's why in many ways I really like Christina as a character I still don't know if I can trust her but she's intriguing to. I'm not sure how you feel about but. Yeah, I kind of yes. As as the similar thing about her but yeah, she's definitely one of those characters that. Just has his cool power about her. She doesn't necessarily in my business always use it the way she should in the wake really good with it. But yes, she is pretty cool I and you know and I always love I guess if you want to call it at. What I always love the the female villains like when they can interact with. The about old you know the me and especially like if there's a white guy like the same old same old like trying to come over and change because he thinks he knows best. But if you. Female and mix it up a little bit. Yeah, definitely and She's not an she's in many ways to me represents white feminine white femininity, White Feminism So she's challenging the patriarchy. She's not really buying this whole everything needs order you know men at the top right right in and apparently in this world and black people for that on than the animals, she's not really buying it She's in many ways a little bit more towards the Left. She's not as much of a big I don't I don't think I don't really think I. Don't think we're is racist I don't see her as racist I I. Think She's Absolutely. Purveyor of white privilege. But I just don't see her necessarily as a racist and you can see you know she tries to like level with tick and she's like, Hey, like make some friends out here. Because not every white person is out to get you, which is Kinda funny when you wash series at the end. But. Moving. Right. Isn't it something at some almost Amedeo? purrs like you know when people kind of our say like, Oh, I don't see racism acid. bouncy color. Right to me, she has some moments where I guess like you said, maybe you wouldn't necessarily caller a raises, but you kind of want to be like come on Cristina come on. Now like you saw the way it was going to play out or I know you understand what they're talking about Those moments I think Christina understands I. Think she does understand she sees it. She doesn't agree with it but I know that Christina is about self so you know like yeah. But I'm about me. So I'm. About her grind yeah right. So I'm interested to see what is Christina's role in the series You know. Sam China Achieve Nirvana. He's trying to open up the doorway into Eden which essentially will give him immortality. That's what he's vying for but apparently, Christina brought tick to him. Titus dot titus saying says it like a my daughter apparently thinks she can help me. So what is Christina's motivation and bringing back into the fold? When she's not, he's she's not a benefactor or recipient of of the sons she's a woman. So what is her motivations and obviously we're going to apart the layers there with that but just something to think about in the back of your head is Christina good is Christina bad who is Christina? Really, looking out for. So I'll just leave it at that. But any WHO's so they have you know she has her heart to heart would sick and she tells them you can trust me I wanna be your friend. On about all that because you put a spell on my friends, you know all my family they don't remember anything that happened. And he mentions like you know you guys basically the KKK you know the KKK and don't call themselves wizard for no reason. On excuse you. My father and his associates would never associate with the Klu Klux Klan okay there too poor. And I was like see. White privilege. Outweigh. Okay. All right. Right I mean I mean shot her recall on the clan poor y'all are poor are moving right? and. She told job They they come to understand that he's like if you WANNA, be my friend, prove it. So she actually lifts the spell and she tells them the spell was met specifically for them. The spell is for anyone that sees the show Goff's which are basically they're guard dogs but for whatever reason, it doesn't work on tech could be because of his blood socialista spell and then we hear letty and George Screaming. So clear they remembered what happened and actually if we go back earlier to the woods, they immediately forgot what happened to them after they saw the creatures. So clearly, that is a spell that was put in place and it was weird my troops and. Many speak in the mind trips They all kind of have their own experiences. So letty tries to escape the room is apparently there's magic the tobin in these rooms tick can't get out but somehow he finds his way into leads room she shot to get out and he calms down he tells like Hey we're trapped here. We're going to get through the and she tells him like about her childhood about the fact that her mother was constantly leaving her coming back with strange men. She always felt very alone Amish Usta pry hoping for her mother to come back and she's looking at a painting of Adamant. Even the serpent while she's telling these the statistic and he tells Aleksei I, will never leave you I will never abandon you and they kiss passionately. You're just like Oh this is Q. and he vows to never leave her and. We. Kind of Pan to take in his room. So I'm like what is going on here how tick making out with Letty, but also in his room and later on in the episode, he'd like unzips his pants and a serpent guns out like I was. Oh I went. All right this minute. I was trying to see something else but okay I'll take. So. For is also having his own looks like a hallucination was actually talking to uncle George through the bookshelf in Morse code and we see Uncle George rideout wizards. But before he can say anything else this woman taxing turns out it's the Korean woman that we saw in the first episode that was playing Deja of. Mars. And she's like basically fights into the death. Her name is Gina and he's like Jia I don't want to hurt you and he's like they're like throwing knives at each other punching each other out against laws. I, was like. Okay. And so. It. Wasn't pretty cool I. Mean you kind of get you kind of get pulled out a little bit because of like the craziness that is that scene because you're like what is happening but it? Is really cool if icing yeah. Fight Seeing she clearly knows how to fight he's military she he's been trained to military so eventually gets the best of her and chokes her to death I was like okay that's interesting and than Uncle George has a much more pleasant experience he gets to dance with Dora who is ticks mother and she's played Erica Bizal and they speak about dreams and their time in Tulsa their hood they're so just back it up a little bit. This is the second series that mentioned Tosa on HBO that is about Black People You know the the the Black Wall Street massacre. So. Apparently Montrose George and Dora grew up Tulsa and seems like they must have escaped. Happened, there. So, anyways. But it out like I is cool that you bought at that point to know both of these series. I. Think you know about the recent a grave they found a lot of the Toast massacre victims I think it's very interesting about all of this. These shows are kind of pulling that up. You know not like it should have been done years earlier, right it Mary like interesting to see that kind of stuff come up in the news. Now, because these shows you know, of course watchman, you know getting their emmy nominations and all that kind of brings it to the light, but it's just interesting how events are and it's like, Oh, well now we're going to go look and see what happened. Yeah, and it's just you know just the point out that this was a booming city with black professionals with their own law offices, doctors, offices, theaters, banks it was a growing community in Tulsa very successful, very prominent and all because you know supposedly a a young black man offended a white woman or some white folks it all went to Hell. And I also heard about the fact that Central Park was also similar in the fact that it was a city or a town with a black population they had their own and I. Don't know if it was as violent as a as a Tulsa massacre, but they were moved on out and central park with built over top of their homes so. Yes it's it's going to be I. think that's why I think is really cool as covering this and like I said, would watch mindy like the more this comes out it's going to be very interesting to see what else they continue to dig up. You know again, which doesn't help those families like wondering about the ancestors for generation a years like nobody paying attention. But. It is very interesting to see like the conversation has nearly to come out the conversation as is finally being discussed that we were successful. We we were. We were people we had whilst we had power and it was taken away from US people wonder. Why black people struggling it's like every time we get our own. White folks and take it away. So yeah. Yeah. I mean it's the running of the show rate so Dora in. Georgia, Dan San. Just throw me off a little bit because I'm like you would think he would be hiding a of his wife now of his his brother's dead wife but okay, and and then the what was that the the end by Earl grant was play. It was very they. They were trying to take you out of the Romance I. This queue where they were like as Gwen on, they just kept trying to fight every moment to pull you out like where you're like, yeah, we need to be watching this somebody's heaven. And they speak on the reality of magic no door tells them. He can now fly with his children. He only day and. He's talking about. Grabbing. His. So George kisses her and tells her you know this is a real and actually I'm going to back up a little bit. I'm a backup a little bit too. One Christina was talking to take and he asked her about William, her boyfriend and she says, you know, yeah, that's my my friend and he's a boy sometimes so. I'm GonNa just leave it at that. Leave that. To sit there for those who haven't aren't caught up just yet everything means something on this show. So anyways, the situation between door George door starting to realize is not real I need to back away from this and it turns out all of this was magic and it was for the entertainment of the DAG on lodge guests they're trying to get into their heads hated this moment. Because I already feel like, yeah. Already feel like sometimes black people are seeing like that exhibit feel like something to be just like look bad like. How do you do like you know like you just not human or it's not normal what you're doing? So yes, this. Moment. Mu. Passes. We are entertainment So they are released from their rooms. They are clearly shell-shocked George is like we gotta get it together too. So what's your dream about which is seems I don't worry about that doesn't matter and. He out here being slick. And tickets triggered by this experience because he's a war vet. So he's just like I did some things I wasn't supposed to do and and Georgia's calm down. You're a good boy you did what you had to do. You know they're trying to get into our heads. Let's let's get it together. So and then he tells. He's Ready do back this 'cause Latisha fuck and Louis don't get scared about nothing like that on a t shirt please yes. They need to have that there should be like. Is there like a love? It sounds like an HBO store. So there should definitely be like the lovecraft country thing or something like that because she uses the perfect moments throughout this whole series. I think I'M GONNA get I'm sure there's a teacher out there latisha. It'd be like if it's not Yala sleeping on that money because they she she wears this that a phrase out need to be on a teacher. And People GonNa be like Latisha. Don't worry about it. You waiting for meat and if you'RE GONNA to Lewis's right. Know you know so yeah. So George Tells you know. have. No fear I found something that might just help. So earlier in the episode, George tried to recall what was happening. You know before he regained his memory and he happens upon this book called the House on the Borderland on the bookshelf shelf and I just I just WanNa talk about this book row quick because it's kind of interesting. So it was a nineteen ninety eight novel written by William Hope Hodson, and it is a hallucinatory account of reclusive store a reclusive stay at a remote house and his experience of his cannot get these words out his experiences of supernatural creatures and other early dementia wow. Okay. Now that ain't love crab country in a nutshell. What Guy So the book it's There I'm looking to the book is called the House on the Borderland. So that book for whatever reason opens up the bookshelf into the secret library. He just. So conveniently comes upon this book called. The order of the ancient dawn like. About you but that just seemed like place. Perfectly. Yet they came to all this information very quickly I was like, okay something's not right. It's I'm like was a Williams was it Christina like who conveniently put that book about their whole water in the room where they knew for Fed uncle Georgia find? I'm just saying so they enter the dinner black tie only. So you know and men only lead is not allowed in there neither is Christina Williams there, and he assures them that even though they are not wanted there, they belonged there so like. Stay enters the room all these white guys in. Suits and ties their bow ties are sitting you know at various tables he walks in and he was like, yes much like Adam that gave his ribbed eve. So do I give my body to you and they present the dinner party? And I. Guess. As ripping out. no. To it is. Yeah. I was like okay and the Uncle George had had the nerve to starting to go in for. An took like not knowing that don't eat that. Else like he really about. that. So They start to begin their little ceremonial dinner an uncle George gets up and he recounted the guests, their own bylaws. Tom, then that they actually would never be allowed in the fraternity as in George and because they're black but he found a loophole. If you are direct descendants of titus, you're automatically a member and in fact, not just the member you are a son among sons and Assad amongst on can give order to any other regular member. In the group. So that's what. He gets up. He's like year I want everybody except Samuel to get the fuck out of here. Yeah I mean. and. They looked at him like he was crazy. He was like dasell order and they fly. Out of their. Sonny. Walks up on Samuel and he tells Samuel. 'cause technically Samuel is a distant cousin of titus but. Take a direct descendant. So quickly took has more pull over Samuel. So he tells him, I order you to bring me my dad. Samuel like I'm like the rest of the zealots. I'm not obeying the laws I know what's up and let me tell you something just because you're useful and your blood is useful to me doesn't mean you're indispensable. So Watch yourself amount was like they're white man throwing his weight around. Yeah and I thought it was interesting how they played this. You know when you try to figure out like how you GonNa face on the TV series, it'll make a little more mysterious 'cause. It's pretty clear what he was. You know why he had ticked there and what was going on. It kind of misery of like, okay who really brought him here and what's what can you get to the point already like how they kinda drag out the suspense away he actually wants right actually lie I didn't read the books but that sounds like a better to us to me just them. Yeah they. Played it. Yeah. In the series because it's like playing saint in the book like, Hey, this is happening. This is why your dad does that a it's just like very likes playing down the book and I was like well, this is cool how they gave you that miseries twist where you like it semyon yet like is he done? Exactly. So they end up getting up out of there. I call the section, the great escape. So they rushed at a tower to save Marco's who isn't there and they're cornered by Dow who prepares to shoot them but letty Letitia fucking Lewis shows up. And knocks her out appearing to kill her. I mean she looked at me. She's a gone. That's what she gift all that Shit. So they discover. Montrose somehow found a way Atta there he dug a tunnel, the count on Montecristo. which is one of his books. He comes out of that ground like Tim. Robbins from the Shawshank redemption okay okay. Hello did you think they will go find him this quick wanted them to wait a little bit. So the thing with this show is. A. Very like intolerably like. A lot of things that happened episode I felt like it was too quick for a second episode. But as you watch this theories, you realize they had to pack a lot of story and only issue Yup true. Yeah. And every episode kind of felt like a movie. So a different kind of moving a different genre. We still a whatever it was crazy So Montrose gets up out of there. You know like like Tim Robbins and the Shawshank Redemption Freedom and actually need A. Nina Simone's blackbird plays Blackbir- you ain't never gonNA fly He's like, yes, I got out montrose which. Was leary's modules upset he. was. Here. I gotTa Save Me. Would you wrote me a letter he's like, don't you actually showed up like I wrote that under duress I'm good i. got me like so. I, know what right? Yeah he was like. Listen to be I was dying. I was laughing so hard like it was so funny because I was like at the moment is at all so disrespectful. So they get in a car and what it escaped or tried to escape out the town George tells them that the lodge is actually one of many in the order of the dawn and this particular group is called the sons of Adam and they seek the book, a names which holds the spell of immortality, and apparently the spell failed way back when when titus was doing it and that's what caused the house burned down. So they need to get up out of dodge, but unfortunately, the car magically crashes. The cinematography in the seen, it looks like something hit the car and you see it's smashed up but nothing actually hit a car it was just magic but it was just it just don't like it just like eight it. Yeah. Yeah. You're crushing I can but they crashed the car. So that was pretty cool. And apparently it's Samuel and Christina sale gets badly car everybody else kind of climbing out of the wreckage in San shoots letty. Like what the? Yeah. Hi I'm out. Right. What's I was like we did make a campus. LETTY DIS. DIS bloodly intakes arms to Christina helped me and I'm like, wait a second but I know she and the rest of the series. So what is going on here but she did And And instead. The DOORKNOB. So saying most like you know because you were son of among sons, I'm GonNa give you the courtesy and let you choose a survive. So montross and Uncle George, and before taken even make a choice. He shoots uncle George and I was like. Oh I'll go door take Montross. Excuse me yeah yeah. You. See they have been montrose like. I was Kinda like. Not Jordan smuggled jars. So we cut to black on my the over note next we have the ceremony. So we watch a very naked a take get cleaned down by servants. And I must say John Major's really stopped his workout regimen. His booty was nice. Nice. Insight. Yeah. Gain is Watson three takes. Thing was a bubble and weight is. You're not an object you worry smarten. Main. Klein about what you're Jim root like you know. Like Quarantine Times if you shot up before they away Jim routine was right. I WanNa Budi like that too. So I mean. He's looking at. The. Kind of like the TV room like this, this image allusion of the room, and he is a leading on a couch dead and behind behind her is Montross attending to a dying uncle George so. Took wants to know what's up and Christina tells them that her father plans on opening a portal door into eating so that he can obtain mortality. When he steps through, you know he will fulfil his his his dream. So tickets like well don't Work Titus and Christina tells him that the language of Adam which is in the book of names is challenging Kinda hard to decipher. So many men have suffered as a result of it, but her father now has edge because takes blood is directly of titus line. So you know this might be something in apparently with magic. Abbadi apparently is a good thing I guess to like. I don't know be like a premium for the energy of matt explain it but a body. Is Yeah. A body is needed and he has a good body Nice intoned anti blood. Your blood got him in trouble. I'm in trouble. So tick wonders why Christina is even trying to help her dad at this point because she can never be a member in. Kind of. Laments this you know she gives him the ring of the order and she tells him like no matter how smart you are how much work put in no matter what I do I will never get this rank and you gotta just for being born a man and makes it even worse and he was like, yeah, I'm not even a white guy. I'm a black man. but she tells him like our destiny is not determined by our fathers It's up to US kind of like harnessed set and she tells him that her dad is true to his word if he helps them with the ceremony willingly, he will restore uncle. George. Any actually sees look. Let you come back to life like bloody is resurrected and honey she was shook it. Yet I mean if you got shot and died and. I say I probably would just been laying there for a minute shot at least she got on with Tabatha was up. I probably just been sitting there. Yeah she she. She got the Jon Snow Treatment like John was like ooh. That that was leading. The side effects of their. Shut outs a Kit Harrington so. You know he's a little better. Now he sees that letty is alive uncle Joe soon, be healed. So he goes on to the ceremony. and so we actually get a glimpse of the conversation between Georgia Montross. George. Look. I'm tired of holding on a secret. These tickets aren't people love by child my my wife politics you tick. And I just need. I just need you to love him like he deserves to be loved and he's Like maters like. About my son and he's like well, he may not be your son said. Hey I don't care if you got a bullet in your belly, we already settled this. That's my son Georgia's like. But you know, I'm not long for this world you're all he got laugh. So interesting. So I guess Uncle George's Uncle Daddy like. Have I. Don't worry about the fact that she could be die right now where we're going to keep secrets, right we're GONNA keep these family secrets and I don't know about you but failing seekers have a way of ruining everything right number he was like you could be I could be all the way dying right now. About. It we just got kicked seekers going to take it to the grave literally so Take walks into the ceremony and he's surrounded by all these white men these goods and we hear resits Brussel Tation of Whitey on the Moon tickets place in the middle of three orbs and this ornate wooden doorway. So apparently, he's like what's going to center the spell in Begins to begins his incantations and the members look on and like the blue from the ORB starts to go into take and then as chick absorb it. Then this golden energy emits from take into the doorway and the doorway starts to open up and you see these like vines come out and tropical flowers I'm like Oh shit he really about to be an evening. Tide. Is Like oh no whatever he saying. and Re should I guess it's language of atoms I should be respectful and then take raises his hand like what the rain and it looks like. It's like a black energy leaving his hands Anna goes into the portal and then we see him. We see Hannah. Pregnant. and. She's played by walking Cooler Congo and she's in the doorway. So something is wrong and she is not supposed to be eating what's going on tighter stars take back control but a birth energy explodes from take and all the members to run off but they get caught by this Bursa of energy, Sanyal concerned into stone soda the rest of the members of the House the crumble everything's going to shit and you're like what is happening, and so we see Hannah run and the tech runs after Hannah and it looks like it's like almost a parallel universe, our reenactment of what happened to her because there's fire around him and Hannah stops in the doorway there's a book in our hand. And that looks like the book of names to me. I don't know about you. So seems like Hannah fled her masters home his magical book. And, the house burned down in this case, the House collapse at this point is like Uncle George Montrose letter getting out of there, but they don't want to move George because he might bleed out and somehow escapes just as the house collapses. The rest of the party is in the car they seem to be saved leading calls out to him. You think like, Hey, it's kind of like a low key happy ending the white people are dead. The black people survived that never happens But unfortunately, you can see in ladies is as she calls out to take that something terrible happen and Uncle George blood out in the car in the arms of his younger brother and you're just like, no Oh, and John Major's acting on the scene was amazing. He's like, Oh, go George I'm sorry just like breaks down, he doubles over and in your demand now. Okay me. Me there. Yeah. He was in. Maine and I, just can't and I I know there was nothing he can do to control. I. Was like come on Akerson you'll gave him the rain. You can give us something else to to bring back. George. The end I was like come on now ray. So I'm saddened because I really liked courtney eligible acting. He's just he's just like He's just comforting to me like you know he's A. And we got we got stuck while Montross. I wasn't really happy and it sucks because I, not in many ways feels responsible for this for his. but I mean like I said, it's not his father Samuel shot him but samuels dead now he nothing but dust now so good written. So we cut to black and a cover of a traditional spiritual song that was famously sung by Nina Simone we Nina Simone in this episode. Sin Centerman places the end of the episode in I think almost the entire series at the end of the episode they played Superman. And the song basically describes a center attempting to hide from Divine Justice on Judgment Day. So not sure how that plays into the show, but like I said, everything here is significant. Everything has a meaning. That ends Whitey on the moon. Any a final thoughts, Ryan. Yeah. And like if you guys get the check out I was trying to pull up the chapter we're reading 'cause they have like it's kind of funny to see the the book chapter names as we as we go along but. This one actually ended with everybody kind of making it out in the car and and William like hooked up they ride and everything it was crazy like if you guys making ever in check that out But. Yeah. There's so many like little intricacies in the book where I think they Kinda drag out like some of the moments, some of the more terrifying moments, kind of towards the end of it But yeah, just so I don't know to give like a little bit of Light Mia was hard. It was hard losing George and this moment 'cause I'm I'm still in like that a venture mode wanting to see you know what Lady Antique GonNa get into, and if they're gonNA, keep going and and not have him there where he's like the one like the glue holding it altogether. So Yeah I. Yeah I definitely think he i. didn't they courtney was leaving The second. Yeah you know gotTA gotTa ultimate plan and saying like you said, they anthology series at work here. So he is going GONNA be. Interesting. Dolphin Uncle George Fisher Lajos together. So it's going to be interesting to see how they all carry on without him and his wisdom and his advice and Oh Aso so bad for hippolyte and Andy when they had the and Gone. And everything. He's like, no no no. Time. That got us like what is your opinion? You know how she's GonNa feel. So you all this going I just I'm more chairs the come people. That's all. I know just were tears. So. Yeah. So we'll definitely revisit the series. We'll see you guys next month. This episode was Super Fun just in time for Halloween. So guys rewatch episode to listen to this podcast. and. We'll see you next month and we'll be covering episode three Holy Ghost. So thank you guys for listening. Make sure you add adblocker owners at black girl peaks at PGN podcast Ryan's at November bear and I still don't know my social media. I think it's at Melanin Mommy to eight one-sixth please forgive me. But. We'll see you guys next week by next month I should say by. I got. 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First Time Show - Lovecraft Country - S1 - Ep09 "Rewind 1921"

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First Time Show - Lovecraft Country - S1 - Ep09 "Rewind 1921"

"It feels right the first time. It was like the very first time. Life break. I. have. Not Gotten Welcome do the time show with talking about love graph gun. Today, we have a lock. We Got Brett. Register. And later on. We have we have a very special guest lederhosen. Who will be joining US via zoom? So you'll be able to see this person via video if you see the video version whenever that goes up. but you'll hear them later they're going to pop in and you won't notice a thing because we're just going to pause the show for a second while we bring them in, and then we're going to have a great time to be held for us. something. Yeah we we're the shield to you guys. We Shield you from all. The Hubbub, the violence. Of macra. PODCAST. So, anyway. Here we are. We're talking about episode we're talking about the penultimate episode of lovecraft. country. Season One. the ninth episode of Ten. Called rewind nineteen. Twenty one. And it was written by Michel Green and dragged by. A. According to the lovecraft country fandom site. What is why is that I think it's because they're not on it real quick with lovecraft country maybe. But we don't respect it. We're So yeah, we're talking about this episode, and so I just want to jump right in and say. It was a very uncomfortable episode. I. Cried through all the whole thing. It was a very violent and unsettling episode and more. So in the realities of our history and the depictions of the Tulsa. Massacre. But definitely scarier than any of the monsters so far I feel like. and. It was really rough episode because of that. But. Man It's interesting because I went browsing through the red at the sub. Read it after the episode after I watched, and there were so many people talking about how they're like. I went to school in Oklahoma. It's Oklahoma right? Yeah and and I didn't they didn't teach us this in school at all like I can't believe that they just like didn't. There's this isn't in our history I didn't learn in school. Yeah neither did I mean you did I didn't in like. Yeah I guess not because I also didn't go to college though. I feel like in call. Would've learned of eat they don't continue unless you're taking a history history like not but I feel like when you get to college that's when there's people that are like did you know that there's fucking massacre and now also like that's not what people talk about in high school really. No I don't WanNA. Throw my hip strategic under the bus ie a great listener. Tried this. What's great about lovecraft country is? Regardless of what you new to this point you have been educated now. Yes. Exactly and the way that I want to be educated. Totally through through limbs of entertainment, right with a story of characters that are very real and dealing with very real human emotions that we can all relate to in certain degrees to a certain level, and that's what makes this show. So great that we do connect with the main characters and but man, these situations are crazy and the blend of sci fi and horror, and all those genres and stuff worked really well in this episode but imagine jumping into this one having not seen any of the other one snow. I will say I like the. I like the sum of the parts of this episode. Okay I had trouble with parts. I always feel like. I feel like the conversations that. What's Atticus Dad lay? Montoneros. The conversations that his uncle had. About the way that their father treated Montross and him. Were more powerful than seeing. Play out in this like dramatized depiction of it. And I felt like that those seams were. Damaged took away a little bit because it Kinda came across a little like. Theatrical. I would have rather seen it go to half an into seen it. Through Jake's is or through Mantras is and not seen it. It just came across as like. They really wanted to they really wanted to depict it onscreen. Aid. It needs to and it showed a lack of faith and the impact of the of what they'd setup I love that part I did I I will say so I started off Mike But by the end of it, I was like, okay like I'm I'm here in this like I like all the pieces the other thing was like. Take. Going into save the day. Seemed a little telegraphed to the. Telegraph. Meaning like I fell free or in that scene at that's where we were going and that's what it was going to L. I'd. Lately. Did Not think about it at all. Really. Okay. So yeah, that's what I mean like I. I feel like now because we as I watched it with a little bit of A. A Magpie. I loved the the scene with the Was it her aunt that caught her in the room or her great aunt's. that. Caught letty looking through the drawer. Yes. No that. That that woman shouldn't be related to letty that is on ticks family line. Yeah. No, I think it is. Because the book is through ticks bloodline takes mom that would have been ticks mom. So they shouldn't be related to letty but we are confused because they keep emphasizing ladies blood and her importance, but maybe it was just because she was going to bear. The whole time. I did I adored that sequence and then I also little. While I felt the exact opposite about that. Wow. Oh, that's so interesting. I thought that was I liked that that those pundits. I'm from the future, this Matt and because she had the book of names. She believes it is for a moment I was like Oh. This is asking a lot of this character. Okay you're from the future, but somehow like having the book like Oh she's she's down with the magic like whatever however you know whatever she knows at this point, she was able to accept that I thought that was seen was I don't know I just liked that moment and then i. And then let he was standing there with her and she like lit on fire and all that I thought was really like A really good moment, and then with with her trying to hold the portal open I'm like Lenny probably didn't need to stand there with her while she burns Desi could've hustled back to and not only that faster. Walked she, Sarah Right I. I think frankly the film making that area just feels a little green like maybe not anticipating what the audience was going to be at seeing all those story lines simultaneously like come on, we're going to be impatient for her. That's what's happening throughout the show I feel like is that there's the and that's what we talk about when we say we have an issue with directing I think hundred percent it's issue things like that hundred percent hundred percent it's it's like not quite anticipating because you don't want the emotional emphasis while she's walking through the fires with the book to be like. Why isn't she going faster? You want the emotional emphasis to be like, Oh, my God. That's so powerful. Issue with the film making that's what we're saying. That's exactly what we're saying is that it's There because if you're going to show us the audience like there's a ticking clock and they had to get there quick and. impactful but she's going slow is not gonNA work. You'RE GONNA fail. Where's your audience emotions going to be in this moment? Like what is what is your audience feeling in this moment and I think that when you see Hip Elida basically dying or suffering or whatever it is. That's happening to her. And then it cuts to letty emerging from the fire. It's like you really want that moment to be like the Denarius emerging from the fire and game of thrones moment and like she's got the book and she's she's strong and she's she's walking through the Tulsa like bomb, the bombings and Shit Yeah and. I understand you want that moment to really hit but like I just think that the audiences like holy shit hurry like this portal looks like it's going to close and even though leading the woman holding it open and all right right. But let you did go into the portal seeing how much it was. It was flying hippolyte a- so like obviously it's not like a let's take our time kind of a moment like she did have some consciousness. The point. About the characters, not Baker wanted to have that moment. Talking about. We're talking about how like the show is great. There's a filmmaking moments like this. Yes. That are consistent throughout the series so far and that are. Flying, you really gotta just be okay with it and then just get on with the story, but it's just there's a lot of it and it's hard not to really notice it and talk about it and have that affect our thoughts because on this show we do that we have to we analyze the show we talk about it and that's Missiles saying, yeah. All three of us like the only critiques we're loving the content were loving the characters so many aspects, costumes, obviously costumes for me, but obviously costumes automating. Awfully awesome. Cost. There is there just a few little and they're not like terrible. They're just not. This, every the other elements of the show are so good that you just notice when things have misteps. So. That's what I was. That's SORTA my point is the some of the parts I liked. About the episode, it's just there is some weird missteps for me. Yeah. What did you not like about the scene with her in the? The older woman will call her Steve Go I just i. kind of felt like. I I. told. Everybody. Banana. Doing something I can see their ship up on his computer. Amazing blitz. needs to watch the video When I. Hear you right now. Like all the scenes in the whole show. that. Like that was the worst acted one. I felt like the acting in that scene was really nice. It was really mellow dramatic and like also flat somehow engaged. Yeah. Interesting. person like me too. I was like they cast because her look they one hundred percent faster looks in here. Read it wasn't just her though like even leading while she was like yelling these emotional lines, it just felt like. Like a rehearsal, take to me in a weird way. It really took me out of the scene. I just felt like the acting was so strange and then the like the vio over the like you know how they do that trick where like you can see the character up here saying something but the dialogue is not what's coming out of their mouths and it's like the audio is coming in from a different scene. Sign Language you've just. That yeah. Well, I just felt like there were too many moments like in that scene too, and I was like trying to focus on who to who to like who was talking, and then it would cut back. You could see their mouths moving and it was just not sinked up to what they were saying the cutting was really awkward and then it was like. Did we really need to like watch that poor woman burned today. Like, we really need to see that. impactful for a while and then. I like her like charred arm still moving on the ground and it's like, what are we doing here? We are. We trying to show the the horrors of what happened and and Really. Give it to us on top of all this other stuff like I don't know I just felt like it was maybe too much I. Don't I thought they lingered just a little bit too long because I don't like admitting to this, but there is a moment which I'm like. Okay. Like I wasn't feeling any more for the drama of it until they got away into the backs, you don't want that you don't WanNA biggest critique. Really Great. Is Is I did not I felt like I. had to. Find the emotional gravity for myself oh. I don't feel like they did a great job of a campaign that to me. I understood the you know what I was seeing and what it meant. You know the history of our country and what we're looking at you know in but I didn't feel like they. They didn't achieve that I had to go out and get that. Yeah. And that was a little bit. You know I think knowing. What you want right and I think a lot of my emoting, my my emoting, my feelings of emotion while watching it because I knew the history and less. So because of what I was being shown like what I was being shown reminded me of what I already knew and that's why it was so. As intense as it was, but it was certainly not a bad it wasn't bad. We're just you know nitpicking. Yeah, and like there were a lot of great moments and it was just a hard to watch episode I guess. But. Yeah hard for good lawyers say we can talk about the good things. Yes. I was shocked when hippolyte returned meaning that was green, and then now she's like the doctor from doctor who pretty much like I know everything now I'm a hard drive. Or? Like. It just sort of like spun the dialogue. Now we have this. Now, we have this going on. Yeah changes everything. Yeah and also like how about all that Shit with saving d. in the beginning and like. Like I guess it leads into the I know. But like that was also by a problem just to problems irs. Yeah. This entire. All of this is built on this precipice of we need to save the and which I was a little like a okay but. Clock that Slow, go. Yeah, that's true too. But in my head at the whole show, we've been trying to find this book of names. So now it's like higher trying to find the book in name, but we're really trying to save de it's like well can we can? We just focus on one of these things? You know that that sort of caught me up a little bit. But again, yeah, they really wanted to give us like again it feels like probably in the book hippolyte as story is like a bigger flashed out thing probably of her like learning all this stuff and then coming back and then. It just seems like it's they really want to be motivated by D., which is also motivating the main characters, which is also creating like their history essentially. So it was like a motivation for her for hip Elida and D, but also because they need to go back in time because they need to have those moments. Like tick needs to be the guy that like beats the shit out of those racist assholes. There was a double motivation there but a dub mode but yeah, I don't I don't understand why couldn't be like involved somehow like she could have been better and then like helped out or something. I WANNA see them. Already has a family and I really felt like there was going to be a moment with D. where she was like I've seen some shit and everyone's like. So, have we and now we're all in this together and then they all work together as this family unit like kicking ass but instead, it's like maybe that's the finale. Maybe that's finale which would be super cool. That's tough because listen. We've set up something Amiss show, which is this like anthology format right compounding anthology. To me to continue to. Achieve that structure within this episode, they needed security in this episode the fact that we've left that as a as a hanging Chad. Wasn't. Hanging Chads structurally. Now, it's just what they call it in Florida when they when they blew the election. Oh five years ago I voted in that election. So this is this is a self hating, Floridian. Okay, I've no idea what argument but okay. You know it's just a little history history and entertainment. Yeah. It was used to poke a thing To vote you would poke a hole right in your ballot. Yeah. Yeah, and in Florida they people would poke if they didn't poke it all the way through. So the the little finger poke out was hanging on and there was a conversation whether or not that vote counted because of the hanging. Chad. Talking. It's like an incomplete. And I feel like this was an inconvenience. Episode. In love that I drove in from Atlanta. I watch love graphs and boy are my arms tired. Boy I all of it. been raining a little luggy. I like what we were talking about, but I'm forgetting where we left off. Well, we just know. So basically I was saying they really I felt like they needed to cure d to finish this episode. Because now, there's just felt like an episode of TV show. Yeah. In our setting up the next the final episode of the season. And it's not that's not what the show has been. To this point. Break so that was disappointing. Yeah and it didn't feel like penultimate episode like I. Really wish that there was like some sort of connective tissue from the Fin-. The. Like the last moment of the episode that gave us this big kind of like holy shit moment for the finale and it Kinda just feels like another episode coming gone. That was cool. But I just don't feel like we're really moving towards anything in particular like what? Now that we so now we need to stop Christina from becoming immortal because that'll kill tick. Right well, we just don't want to die. We don't want to dumping is what we`re Trying to do yeah. Yeah, I think we're going along for the ride. If this whole episode was meant to be about saving D. and then they didn't save d then that means that they to save D in the next episode I think we have to assume that they then use the book to save her I think they're going to start the next episode and she's already been saved. They're gonNA they're going to learn a spell that like really you're going to have to learn a spell probably we're GONNA see that don't you think Brat Yeah. I don't know I'm that's the other problem is I don't feel like stakes are properly set up in this episode to make me feel. I can't like I I'm not I'm cited. Finale because the finale. But not because I feel like it's because what we're we're at right now in the narrative of the story is basically like. All we have left to do is save the right because we found the book of names we Kinda I don't know what the next step is I. Don't know what we've been building to the whole season at this point because now we have the book of names. So the book of names will be able to safety, but they have to give the book of names. To Christina WHO's GONNA WANNA kill ticks. So I guess that's where we're going but it didn't feel like that is it's clean. In regards to my ability to get overly excited for what's coming mean. Yeah. I think I'm there with you also. Did like in the preview that it does feel like they're gonNA touch on everything from the season. Legs. A The the girl from Korea me too. I WanNa know what's up with her? Job I, want to see her do something. Or we're going to see her back and do a thing I was thinking about that I was wondering if like because she like knows tick like beyond biblically maybe she can kind of sacrifice herself for him in this spell, but she doesn't really have blood but maybe that the being of her monster takes up lot I don't i. But she's immortal isn't she g? Expand beyond biblically. Will because they have sex but then her little crawl come out and she knows his entire like all of his memories and she knows his soul. In this life she oh, starts to how he dies. Or sees that he. She saw that he died saw his wanted to come in like change it. So maybe He maybe I interesting that isn't Jia immortal. Didn't. She say until she yeah until she's free of the demon or whatever. She did that whole spell with the Lake Korean witch. Wait wasn't Korea. It's too late at night. I think it was. Or was it. Okay I'm sorry please forgive me guys. I'm not going to be I. Know What you're saying and I just can't remember I can't remember and We've had too many wars in too many places sporadically. Korea. Okay. Good as career I'm glad to knows right anyway she had the Korea. South Korea I thought you were asking, did she did she gain immortality from that which? Oh, I think that which made her stay as she is I. I do not remember at all is my guess and that scene but I wonder if to have a character whose immortal and to have another the villain of the whole well, the somewhat villain of the whole series is goal is to become immortal like that can't be a coincidence although knowing this show maybe it can be coincidence I kind of hope it isn't I. Don't know I guess. I feel like a lot a lot will come out of the emails in this one 'cause I'm just feeling like. Watching all of our faces look try to like. Things. It's a good episode. It doesn't feel like A. Penalty. Minutes episode it does. It was hard to watch and some moments weren't gray and I think they're all. They've all been that way but it's hard to watch in a good way also in alike remembering and. It was rough watch rough and I think a lot of them are you know at least they're consistent in I just WanNa acknowledged not bad. Rough. I'm just curious Oh. One more thing I wanted to mention was I have more like that. Of course we gotta get to along. I WanNa talk about the show. Can I talk also without being in way? Yes but I want to say something. Thought. Save. I'm not saying for my thoughts, but go ahead, Steve Right well then we'll just start on his thoughts right now. Okay so acknowledged. You get it go ahead. Okay. I just wanted to say that I liked that Ruby acknowledged that. The reason why? was like. Dying Because of them, it was like on them on who I wanted that from letty and Montrose, and tick 'cause they're like we tried to help her we tried to the and they're like fuck you guys all fucked up. This is all on you I liked that because one of the problems I had with the episode before this one was. Everyone was just like we don't give a fuck about de we got our own shit going on and everyone they're all the fuck Outta de we care about D. and then meanwhile not carrying around. Here exactly. Just like that. And I think that it was good for Ruby to acknowledge that in the show because I wanted there to be like a a moment where there was a realization at least in some way for the characters that they're stupid shit they're up to is like important but like there's a little girl who just lost her mom and dad and about to lose her life and was about to die herself as being chased by demons and Jerry, which they couldn't have known guess but it was like a dangerous time she win have been cursed in the fall place. fogging Emmett till was like. Funeral, it was like. It's a hard time for little kids. So it's like you know I liked that there was an acknowledgement of that in this episode. While you're talking. About when that guy's tits blue offer I. loved that Nipple Burst Semen that was the tail of the creature right? That made those holes what? Yeah. No he was wearing a black man's chest because his chest got fucked to death but the holes were from the creature that attacked him. It showed it in the preview to earn the in the recap. Okay. I don't know member in the Recap Kaplan or in the last episode when the cops show up to kill tick and lead he that creature that creature. Yeah. They're creature jumps. And the tail staff sales through the creature's tail stabs through that police officer, and that's why his he has those holes. I didn't know the creature was such a nippy boy. Yeah can we talk about Steven I both when we were in that before we go to the? Time and Space Travel Place Dimension Hot Place. When we're still in the bedroom area with DNA all that drama how very soap opera e it fell. Intends, we kept talking about we're like, oh my God I mean I guess you're talking about Anthology. Compounding and You got the right terms. My I'm truly fried this week. Pissy car for twenty dollars. Well No I wish I had time for someone else but. The whole time in that very beginning part where like is this like the soap opera version one because what's going on? Did any did you feel this way? -brate. I'm trying to remember it was like there was a moment where one of the sisters is talking to someone? No is it data and tick there was just like a couple of moments ago. Yeah this was. You know what I did it had to do with the lighting. Scenic came in and was like, well, it doesn't really work out that way. It felt very. Over lit and yet the. Show but also there was an incredible time I just felt like. But the content too because there were like it was two people talking through a drama they had I think it was taken Montrose, and then he walks in and she's kind of like Oh and she. Over. Here's some drama is like an your stepbrother's stepsister like whatever it just felt like Like very soap car while you're just like. Moments were like the scene would end any. It would linger on the person for like way too long and the music would be like. In. There was was one point where it was like. Bom Bom. The big reveal on someone in the camera pushes in like a soap opera moment. So there are quite Intentional though yeah. A really. It did yeah and I have to say you confusingly intentional I guess right but because you brought up the the Very specific type of lighting. Very soap opera look. I have to mention an incredible moment of lighting when. Ruby is in the. Dungeon lab with Christina and she's looking at a woman who who's form she keeps taking the comb and she's just sitting there next to her and the light through that window is like perfectly back lighting her and she has that perfect like mint colored refrigerator framing her and she just. Oh. The light in that shot. In. Like the heavens were lighting her yen the way they made it feel practical and make sense. But also kind of like felt like it pushed the emotional story the whole thing. What about? To same outfits your last episode and I said, I love it and I. Felt like. It felt like they made this episode like second and then they all episodes in between. I know they didn't. especially with lying Tikkun mantras is relationship in this episode. Fell I glad that I feel like we have some Catharsis there does that some finality to they are sort of tension, but we started this show with him looking for his father. So we build the whole show on like we gotta find ticks father let me found and I feel like three different times over the last three or four weeks. It's been like that's it. We're done you and me dad, and then then the next they are back together. Hot. A. Lot of. Women mantras killed the the woman that they found the Indiana Jones episode were done. Then he was going to kill him men just keeps coming back. There's really no. Every time that he looks like we're done with this time traveling adventure. We're really done this time. I felt like we had seen that so many times but I think we're seeing tick kinda learn a lot of things about his dad and or his Ola Surrogate Dad I. Guess It's still his dad. It's John. His Genetic Dad. Yeah. And I think that like to your point you in the beginning when you said in the beginning of this episode of this podcast when you said that You didn't think we needed to like see the dramatic reenactment of young. Montross and and uh George and I think though after him after coming to him and saying like we're fucking done after this and then seeing all of that and then seeing what he went through and then that that moment at the at the fountain when when when he saw his, you know his dad and his friend and his friends about to get shot like I, think we needed to see all those things because we we're seeing them through tick right like and I think. Get Yes I. See it yet adequately? I'm saying like I'm watching that scene going this is an actor portraying this. Yeah. This is they're reenacting this and it's like the idea of it is horrific in the idea of it is so much worse and then seeing it I'm like, Oh yeah I mean it's Is kind of like. Saturday playhouse version of this, right when in my head it was like you know it's like he's out in the front yard. It's whatever you think about it more as is kind of like dark awful thing. The way they just presented I didn't feel like conveyed that I would rather the cameras state on tick and just you just heard it. Needed to be there for tick. All thinks this. Is Great, but bret has a good point about that moment in the scene did not feel. As. Intense as we. made it feel because knowing that that would be painful instead of feeling it from what we were seeing. Also assure the like when his dad's yelling at when a Montrose his dad is yelling at him to grab a switch in that same like video you heard in his like head. Yeah. That earlier episode I thought that was kind of melody to Williams drinking. Yeah. which also to your point, Brett would have been interesting if we never saw that moment, it was just like an audio. Moment but the fact that it's connected kind of makes it interesting. I love that we got to see the mom and the brother and the how the three of them interact. I thought that was really really emotional really helpful and it was really nice to see the dad and the mother's Dad and generally his family and how they would interact with. Montrose his dad because you really got a feeling for we're talking about like genetic lineages and like family trauma and to see the different ways in which things play out and stuff I don't know I felt like that was really important and fantastic to see like they didn't have to show us. Any other people in his mother's family in this episode but they did and we really got to understand the differences and all that I thought. It was really cool. Alana I'd love to just transition right into Alana's thoughts if we could. If you're okay with that. Sure. Does that sound good Who Don't believe to song. Alana's notes some we keep calling it. Alana's thought well. You know it started as not became thoughts is an evolution. It's Anabel Shan. Baby evolution. Of course, the fascist school nineteen twenties are my favorite. Like fashion era I and like general cultural era in the US very much like not the US Europe I should say. So I really liked a lot of these close as soon as we saw. I mean there are so many of these melodrama moments though I wanna talk about the close with they all just relate to the storyline link when they show up in that hotel and advocates just peeks out the window and he turns around and he's like we're going to need to dress like them. Mike Okay might as well be animated. Are you kidding how he sees a rack of clothes and it happens to be the exact amount and size of outfits to fit them? Like okay I mean that's just TV but it doesn't have to be quite but okay. I'm rather they. I would rather they show. Montage. No I would rather they show us how they get the clothes if they're going to change them than have them just in one, thousand, nine, hundred as close. That'd be worse. That's what I'm saying you. WanNa shopping montage. No I don't I just don't want perfect I want them to be like, where are we look through the closet and find like hundred dresses and figure out which one or something you know what I mean I just want. It to be not so easy like cartoon Jim that that's just what happened between them moment and the other moment, and they're just so happen to find listen Steve I can imagine it. I'm just talking we've spent this whole time talking about the the slight tweak of the making that we would prefer and I'm not allowed to say a fashion one no no, you're now or then allowed. Okay. As long as notes for God's sake for God's sakes. But. Soon, as I saw on the rack that dress I was like that is the dress from her dream where she's in the fire and she realizes she's pregnant with. Hannah Hannah's the name of the ancestor. Looking back at her pregnant holding the book. Anyway so immediately. To the amount of times people are like walking through fire. We'll as soon as I saw that dress I thought okay we'll. Obviously she's going to wear that dress and she's going to be pregnant and holding that book at the edge of a lake fire filled room. That's how this is. GonNa end. Right, but I thought we would get that like she's running through the burning building. I thought you would to see I really thought we were too and I was kind of like what? I think maybe that's what her walking through the burning town was meant to be like with the bombs, but they kept it wide for so long. I didn't quite get that feeling. Also what a horrific thing. I listened to the podcast afterward and obviously they're gonNA keep to historical reality. But there really were airplanes that flew overhead and bombed the town like. fucking monsters like. In the. For. The purpose of killing black people in the middle of a riot like we've had riots just this past couple of months like this year imagine if airplanes came. To like try to control the riot what Insane just draw with. Bombs, yeah just like. Well, that's insane. It's awful. It's it's one thing to be able to like. Have individuals. Mob Up and be like this is in insane and absolutely not excusable but you can kind of understand how they might think they could get away with it but like. Airplane full of bonds. It's so fucked up. I also have to mention the readdress it. Christina was wearing in the beginning when she did all those a. Lot Address. CH-. Thoughts are for. What I WANNA hear. Good stuff you guys didn't mention how absolutely disgusting the Maggots were that crawled out of the arm de a Asano that scene I had to close. I had to cover the screen from my is that was so disgusting I liked it. It was like the evil was coming out of her. In the form of these like maggots that all flew off it was made for you. So I'm glad you liked it other school especially since I'd never I guess I'd never seen the maggots turn into flies and then fly away that we've never seen so many crawl out of a but I, guess you. Haven't seen as many horse I don't need to. Keep, talking about them. As, many horrors. In my life, kids like to go downstairs and watch the horror. In an honest way and they're like. Bobby downstairs watching a horse again, own my God you're not going to be able to sleep. Nightmares Bobby. There was a part that I really liked I. Remember I got the chills and I just wrote chills. Which? Was it when. Hip. Hip Elida. It might be hippolyte came back. Yeah. Oh, it was because she had her whole spiel and we were just like. Yes That was cool. I also have to say. In the last episode, I thought okay ladies pregnant but she's not showing yet even though she wears very tight stuff and she's like fit as shit. So like if she had a bump, it would start bump in like all right. She's showing yet. Okay. Every different happens me I don't know how long it's been technically, but then a whole `nother episode later, all sorts of stuff been happening she still isn't showing it and she's like it's a boy. When are you going to the doctor? If you're pregnant enough days, she knows that ticks at it right? No Sh this is before the future but this is before take before she and take acknowledged each other they both know she's preg- she says in the beginning of the episode I don't remember who she says to tick. No, she's pregnant. Yes. But he doesn't know by her they don't they haven't talked together the moment when she says, let's name George that's the first time they acknowledged to each other that they both know she's pregnant that is the first conversation between the two of them. Are you sure? Yes and they even mentioned in the podcast actually. Because really unclear in the show then well, yeah I mean I was noticing it but I I was more conscious of her pregnancy because frankly I'm like. I was thinking if it's to the point, I don't know how far along she is right. So I'm just suspending disbelief that she's not showing at all but like now she says it's a boy and this is in nineteen fifty doctor visits ability to know the sex of something like. I'm sorry she should be showing and it made me a little upset frankly unlike I suspend disbelief for a while here but this is a bit much. Is it possible? It's like a magic thing or like she just knows I mean anything's possible in this show. So I mean hopefully, it's explainable because I don't like to think that they if they never take rain, would it be okay if it was like well, I guess she just had like an intuition or something the way she said it and how logical lead driven she is I don't, and I don't think she would be against having a girl so I don't think she would be. into. Hitting it on purpose though air anything I don't know I. I. Wouldn't buy that. Open whatever. It when the moment she said, it's a boy. I have to tell you I had a good few minutes where I was like furious that they had. Not showing pregnancy at all and she's meant to be as far along to not a boy. But maybe it's just me not knowing nineteen fifties. Okay. So there's that maybe but I love that scene I love that she hotwired the car for tick more that like Latisha fucking Lewis Energy. Play the clip. But to speak we're now now now say that again. where I don't know if I have it well, did we ever? Talk. One Oh Did I. Save their asses once again, What was I saying about her in the car I loved that seem though being that it was the first interaction about that. She used the one that hotwired the car and it was their first interaction about the kid. I thought that was very cool. There was some talk on the podcast the HBO podcast about like are we upset that tick just let them split up even though she's pregnant he should be protecting her and all that. She's protected with magic. That's what I'm saying I was like, yeah, it's fine. She's she's she's complete. What do you mean she's totally protected but. I mean, okay. I. Feel even she kind of forgot she was protected I think she just isn't certain because you know she doesn't want to be like that's fine I'll jump off a cliff but. She got hit with a bullet last week and it pinged off interest shot again in this episode true and she yeah and a monster. Protector so running as if she needed to get away from bullets. I think it's still scary to have like some white bullets chasing after you I bet. I don't know how far protection goes but I wonder if they could physically do things to her. I don't know. It. Kind of looks like it's a shield, look a little force field around it does look that way but. I would have to think back about all the people who had that shield and think about if they were hurt, you know what I mean because maybe you could still be choked, but you can't die. Suffocated to death. Do you know what I mean? Oh. Yeah. Like when Christina gets killed this is why it was coming to my mind when she tries to get killed the way Emmett did. She can she gets beat to shit bloody everywhere. So she still goes through the pain interesting, which is probably that is interesting I. would it be possible for her to even be shot? Well, I don't think. They didn't shoot her they beat her they did shooter. Shatter, like a couple of go in. Yeah. Oh, we got holes That will mean it's. Thing go in I thought he shot her and she fell down and then she looked for like a wound. But there was blood wasn't it? The blood is from beating her and putting the barb wire around her and stuff. and. They beat her really bad for quite a while. I know is is that when he was whole when she when letty was holding that woman's hand when the flames were like burning her, she didn't get burned her hand didn't get burned until she let it go. It's true. That's. The real question now lit up on fire. Yeah. That's a real question now like what really? Maybe there's different types of protection in the One lady has is like a like a little force field outside of your body a little bit. Okay. Just protects you from like projectile things and I think it's like the magnet on worms. Yes. It'll protect you from something. Oh Yeah. I, know that one. Alana. You me to shoot. About the British I think the reason we didn't say this last episode, but I wanted to say it because I don't know things interesting I think the reason that Christina is down and even suggested that she would put the protection on letty. Is because of the baby her belly I think she wants that baby to be born and and exists and I think that's the reason that led has been so important to her this whole time. I think it's not because letty had some blood line connection. It's because she's GonNa Mother. This can I tell you when shit was going down a when she was walking? Slowly through the fire. I thought. Oh fuck the portals gonNA close. In levies baby's GonNa be like tick and that's why it's going to be confusing over news tick ticks bothers 'cause he's his own father. Allows like we're GONNA get into some Shit right here I. Also, thought, it certainly could have gone there. I thought Ticks Dad was going to stay like the way the US standing there watching and things going to close on Mike is going to be there and he's GonNa. Be With letty and then he's GonNa be Ticks Dad but it's like I was like this is GonNa. Be Crazy. This is going to be. Speaking of Weird theories I also have a theory that the person with a robot arm that pushed tick back. That he mentioned in the previous episode from the future. I think it's either going to be Christina, and because she is immortal O or it's going to be. Hippolyte, and she will be somehow emotionally. I like DIS okay but we'll see it could be I mean it could harm but like Maggot it up but her arm was bent over. So. I watch when I was younger I would watch horror. Yeah. That's your arm. You Boys, Watch Reno Jabs down. there. God is our special guest. Is. is kind of on the on the horns soon, but I don't want to rush you through Alana's notes but I just WanNa. That's pretty much feels like exactly what you're doing now please. I'm just saying that the last thing I wanted to say I really loved the sister connectedness in the very beginning of the episode only between Letty and Ruby that. My felt like is a fantastic plus they did this episode and I. Don't know why I think this is so interesting but I'm just gonNA. Say It It when I was listening to the HBO Podcast, they always have suggest like Kinda like further reading suggestions at the end if you want to know more about the topics covered in the episode. and. They mentioned that I think she wrote a book the last survivor of the Tulsa riots her name's Olivia Hooker passed away in two thousand eighteen. And that just somehow made it so much more grounded into. Our time this time whatever it that I felt like I should mention it. Yeah. The last survivor died in twenty last one. Yeah. Wow. Damn and I think she's written a bunch they said to there's like books and whatnot. If you Google her name, I mean it really does put things into perspective as far as time is concerned with how not long ago it was that that actually happened. Yeah that's like Kinda. Breaks your brain a little bit when you think about that. Yeah. My Grandma's one hundred and one, and I'm always like you were there in world. War. Two Think she had a job. I'm sure I mean she lived. During it you should ask her about it like if. She was born in Nineteen Eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one she'd be three years old when it happened. So I'm sure she heard about it but she wasn't like her and she didn't live in Oklahoma. So right? Yes sure should I should ask. Whatever I never thought that. All right. Any anymore thought anymore notes along. NO THIS IS A. R. My my greatest. Oh thank you. That's the end of. Backwards can you pat your heads and rub your belly or whatever it is PAT head Ravelli. No I'll do it up here. I can't, but it's only in the succession of it has to pat one of the top. I gotta say I feel very skilled right now. What the Hell who? Took over here is this terron plaque? Eight is. Hey. What's up? We have special guests for those of you listening to this you can't see that suddenly. Taryn. Blackie. Kevin Plaque's sister is on the first time show and we have to talk about why this is happening and how this is happening but I. Totally Different Day. We keep. Well, we record all of these in advance because HBO sends us the episodes. But. So. God. Made. So we can't talk about sausages that's illegal. So tearing is so Kevin hit me up like a like a few months ago or something or when I was starting to show or a couple episodes into the show or something, and he was like to my sister is watching lovecraft country and she would love to talk about the show if you would like to have her on the show. Yeah. Of course I'd love to have her on the show because I've reached out every sought to a few people, but always wanted to have more than one fucking girl on this show. BILLUND year all cheering. You know it's been a sausage fest on the first time show but every once in a while we'll have. I. Think one time we had Alana and Rachel. Evans. On the one we had a slew of us together. South Fun. Yeah. But anyway, That doesn't support this narrative. So So of course, I'm like Oh, yeah, of course terron. So we've been trying to get you on the show then now we finally got you on the show. So welcome to the first ancient so much. Thank you. I'm so excited I'm excited to. This is great. So what I mean, have you been listening to the first time show? This one I have because the other ones I haven't watched the show. So I need to be able to watch the show and listen to them. But for this these this season I've been listening to all episodes and every time you didn't have a guest I was like. Could be. We'll the shows ending now, which is like is the next step or the the next episode last episode. Last episode the next episode is the last episode. Last episode is the next episode and today is tomorrow's Tomorrow's Today. But. If there's another season we'll have to have you back obviously. Thank. Somewhat unless they do. Today. Then you don't. Know this is certainly like a test more than anything yes. will not go up if it doesn't work. Just getting. Breast, is like, yeah. Like Again. You're no. Long. Enough. All Yeah. For sure have what appears to be consistent Internet connection which is really ask. But taryn really quick because the three of us already kind of talked for almost forty minutes about episode. Humble bag. So if you WANNA take a second or two to just tell us what you thought. Of, the episode I'll be timing you don't worry no pressure. But. Yeah. You know if you WanNa just kind of put your thoughts like would you think of the episode? Of this episode I I was really I was very excited by this episode it was exhausting to me I'll be honest it went really fast like when it was over I couldn't I couldn't believe that it was done. And it was it was you know there was just a lock that happened but I was like this is what I needed for like the last few episodes where I was kind of like. All right. We got to start wrapping it up or I'm GonNa, feel slightly like. And I felt a lot of things came together that I was excited about I was really excited that we all know what we all know now too. Yeah. That was a big thing for this episode for me that I was like, oh, no more secrets like we've all it's all out there. Yeah, and I guess it's like it is pretty clear. What what the final thing that needs to happen is I guess is it what is will that we need to stop I? Guess we need to we for some reason we need to stop well. Talk Stop Cristina from killing tick. Some how we don't want to die so. We find a way to make peace with it. To. I mean take needs to die then that would really suck it would. But if he needs to die for a great having you here cause we spent the last forty minutes focusing on the negative elements this episode. Coming. We liked it. We just. Kinda honed in on the negative. Positive. Old I try. 'cause I did feel like man we really were hard on this episode. This was not this was far from the worst episode of the season by any Ri- at Great Ashby overall yet the overall takeaway was like, yeah, there's room for improvement but I think that it's the show is tailored us to want something very specific from the ask and this was another sort of break from form in that it was like a traditional episode of A. Penultimate upset of so the so Terri- here we each have to say something that we really liked about the episode. Well, that's the thing is I didn't want forty minutes of. This, wasn't that. Comes out is like this? It was all gray, we're like. No terrorists. Out. The. You. A very important question that I wanNA. Know if anybody else has an answer to why didn't the book burn? Him Questions. Okay. So we talked actually not why did the White Number Book Burke? I was why didn't burn? Brook Borough. Why how did Leno Whitten Burn? com. Sliver of paper to wait wait why don't you? Stuck somehow. Why didn't Brooke Burke Burn The book? Bar. newspaper. Book Bach. Because she's touching and then I was like, no, she's touching the woman but she earned I think. Okay. So we talked a little bit about how it seems like she has kind of like a force field around her and when the bullets were hitting her in the last episode, it looked like the. Kind of light up around like kind of like a few meters away. Well. No the creature jumped out. And stopped the bullets for from new. No but when the creature came up to them. Holding the. Stops because I. Think it's her backpack I thought Oh it's take six protection because. Tonight the spell Oh. Yes. I remember that but I was not yet can. Make. Well. But he did say you did a damn spell on me in this episode when Ron Tro said no spells remember. A. Magic they know all the point of trying to make is is that I think she has like a protective force field around her. That's kind of like roughly the shape of her body around the shape of her body. If. She keeps the the like book close to her. It'll keep it from being burnt I. think that's one solution. Another one is is that it's a magic book maybe magic books don't. Burn. Burn. Zach. And also, why doesn't she hurrying a little bit more at? Yeah you've been saying. Doug also lowly vary slow. Yeah it was. It was. That's those are the complaints about the direction where we were like you ought to be on a ticking clock or or do you want us to care about her epic moment happened and and not only that it was like 'cause we did talk a lot about how it was like man hippolyte is like dying and you're taking a stroll down leg she's got meals to help her mouth. Yes. But Not only that though we didn't we kind of only barely mentioned that this is all for d like Vini to hurry back. For D. Because she's still not like. Ours or whatever. Yeah. Expired it's like at least hurry back for d like the not only did they like not give a shit about de in the last episode This one they ruby straight up tells them that she is basically dying because of you and they're like, fuck we fucked up later lead like I WANNA walk like a bad ass through this is. My moment. that. I had a lot of issues with a lot of things in that part. That's been my one thing in the show that there's a lot of loose ends. You guys have talked about it too and I felt that there was definitely moments of that in this episode that I've sort of just come to accept like maybe we just have to be okay, things happened. Okay. I'm just glad we all got to say one thing we liked about the. Truth. Remind. With, hippolyte was amazed. By levitating. Yeah. What agreed are we doing it in order? You're doing it in the order of Steve As. You go fast everything with hypolite was amazing. It was the visuals of it everything the Hair Chains Rama of her return everything she said was cool. I was just I was for every second that she was unscreened by the way the hair change not so subtle reference to DIS comic book character with Blue Hair I don't think it's a reference I. Think it's like part of her merge Lane Kurt of her because she's just in that, Bob? Light coming together. Raping Brad. Okay. My thing that I love really a lot was the the triumphant return I. Didn't think we were going to see it again but I love that portal came back my favorite character in the show. So far and I love that it's like glitch e paint like plan like painting. Paint splotch. Portal. That's like I love how like unstable it is and it's going through all the dimensions and stuff, and then she like fucking find tunes it and you see like Tulsa what is it? Nineteen twenty, nine, hundred, ninety, one After who was a good call out or dude for sure because she told about it definitely felt like, oh, the doctors here right hippolyte just like runs over the machines like give me two hours like fucking fix this thing and it's like what and then I taught a little loss and I wasn't sure it was just my thing that I missed something that how she was the one that was going to be the motherboard of it and like how she was able to like set it to be was that because of the yet her implicate from. Plants that the that she on to say gave her. Something and I think it's a quiet because that's what I was going to mention my favorite. My favorite moment thing was that when she mentioned that. We need like coordinates like right now what it is is it's an inter dimensional it's like it can show you different dimensions but whole hick by pull this fucking thing out and plug it into a motherboard. We can zero in on time and go time traveling and so and I loved in that moment she's like we just need a motherboard and let he was like, well, the hell's a motherboard and it was like. One motherboards are and the fact that she she's the motherboard essentially was really cool because she is essentially new technology even in the current day of the show in the fifties she's like you know calm like future she's planning technology. She's planning five technology to three one or whatever. Yeah. But anyway, I just loved that the portal came back and we got to see it and I love that when I. Got To nineteen twenty one and it looked like hip hippolyte ahead had league locked it in. It still looked really dangerous and unstable and I loved that like at any moment anything could go wrong and I really felt that way about that moment and when they jumped into the portal or whatever the time machine, it was just a really like tense moment that worked really well for me I. Love A lot. Cool. So Alana your next. WHY AW Man I was going to say about your moment about her Oh, I have I've just been suspending this because it's true. In every episode, we get like fourteen episodes worth of information so like Don't even try but I am she said, she spent two hundred. I heard a clip repeated and it was only time I was able to process what she said. She spent two hundred years on planet five something something. Two hundred years so like. How does that? To to. Leave Meriva leads the. On Earth five something something. So it's like a version of earth if not the actual. Yes. She was in a different dimension not in a different time. But if she lived for two hundred years in another dimension equivalent of earth years and then comes back here but she hasn't aged. It just means that the time don't know enough about earth three, fifty seven. You're okay. Well, that's why I suspended disbelief and maybe we should. Alana. I'll just was that your one good thing about the episode that was my question of your one good thing. I said my good thing. My favorite good thing was that the sisters were. So like a unit tight together bonded at the beginning of the episode of the sisters, meaning letty and Ruby. And I liked that and I love what you said about that they're the secrets were like. Pretty much done being secrets by the end Oh my God, what a weight off the shoulders that felt like Syria. Yes. Yeah and I feel like that helped them all kind of a unit because nobody had anything that they were like trying to keep from anybody else anymore. Right excess kind of a nice release except in the previous did you see the preview for the next episode? No I don't remember. Okay. Well, I. If you don't mind knows less a moment in the teaser. No, that's why there's a moment where it sounds like tick. Exactly. But the but the line I'm paraphrasing it is I hope you're okay with just more secret. Or like remember that line, it was something like that but it's like so I guess there is one more secret I'm sure there is look at the show. But, but at lease offers standing over evil dead style cabin. Underneath I just remember seeing writing I. Don't think we're going to like get all the answers next week. I think it said the final episode of this season. Oh I didn't say define upset of the series. The final episode. Season Taryn. Would you like? No one more thing? Oh. Didn't he didn't give me but I thought of another feel. Sorry. This is a positive thing but I. I'm now that we have opinions I questioned that ticks dad ticks data it seemed like his like underlying thing he was saying Montross was that he gave up all the stuff in order to be ticked ad. And although I can hear a character tell me and I'm meant to trust him like okay. But I just don't think that's to me I would be like, no, you didn't you're lying. That's your goal wasn't to be ticks dad like you're you're the thing that you wanted most on this planet was to be Ticks Dad. I. Just Kinda felt like it's not a shameful thing to be like my most guiding light in this planet wasn't my child. That's fine. We just saw hippolyte to do that. Be Like I. Love My kid like nothing, but it's not my guiding. And like some people have that sure like I was born to be a mom and it's my number one. Okay. But I just didn't feel like that was Montross is thing and then he said it and I was supposed to feel this like bond and connection between them and I'm like. I am I alone and having had that feeling I think you well for me you are but I understand I hear you I just think that we're not really taking into account that like when Montrose mantras wife came like basically revealed that she was pregnant and he said he like. He kept his mouth shut about it or whatever. She still had the child and she still had tick and to me it feels like. What I got from that moment was Montross saw advocates for the first time probably and was like Oh. This is my son in this this. This is the only thing that matters to go I'm going to treat him like Shit and be terrible. Freeze also dealing with all that other like that's but that's fine. If tick isn't his guiding light but if tickets like guiding light's purpose on this planet, like you think he would at least be hurting doing problems but also trying to be there you know what I mean. He'd have more of an active push peel instead of Jephson. Push away and I I, have to say it would be a Different statement if he said once I knew you existed like once I knew your mom was pregnant or whatever you became the thing I was living for in the reason I gave stuff up a different statement from saying you're the thing you're the reason I gave up all these things and have been living for my whole life essentially like I've always just wanted a kid like I don't buy it. Also like all the things he's doing on the side I know he's finding his gay community and it's in the ballroom scene and it's like fantastic and killer. But all of these are really like not about kids life experiences and for him to be like my guiding light was having a child I'm like I just don't. It's okay if it was like this is the part of the podcast where were being positive. I don't. Wanna Talk about how I completely agree with Lona and I've kind of had a problem with ticks dad like believing ticks dad a lot through it. He's given us a lot of reason to question him. So it was hard in that moment to be like, okay. Now, I, you know I. I also was confused because he was like. I'M GONNA go save Tom, and then he was like think about it and then he was like I've thought about it and I'm just right now. And he was just kidding it's all for you. Yeah like. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. It's almost like the show doesn't totally know. What? At. All about. Or because I'm like if they do know what he's all about then he's a piece of shit. We shouldn't care everything he's done to the show is shown us. He's kind of just been a piece of shit. Yeah. So yeah but kind of a selfish but they keep. Drunk however but. You know it's it's a question of does does your upbringing or does like trauma in your patch? Justify you causing trauma in your President I? I don't think it does but that's the question you have to answer that the that the show is asking you. They just talked to that end I'm like you know that's a tough sell for me for me. Yeah. They just talk about that on the podcast on the HBO podcast This episode they said. It's talking about it doesn't justify it, but it helps explain it and that there's a difference between the things and like yeah of course, that's like psychology stuff. Amen Absolutely. But you're you're kind of proving arguments here in the show though a little bit by saying that. Yeah. No, I just think like. Montross I don't know. I WanNa, I wanNA believe the show has a very clear direction for him that they're like taking us on this ten of sorted journey a really. To, really like blow our minds. The land is playing I'm worried that they don't have that I hope that they do because it feels like we've been through a lot with him I wanna I wanNA make sure that it's all building towards something. Even this episode I feel like I'm like if if my dad beat the shit out of me when I was growing up and then I went back in time with him and he's like see my dad dished to I would be like. Fuck you man? Yeah. This is what you brought me back in time for like that doesn't excuse what you did right and so bad end but that's me. That's like a personal. You know I feel. I feel like they'll probably not give us more of Montross now because now it's like about Dick and like debate he and letty and the baby. So I if it back I thought they gave us a moment where it's like, oh, he's not going to go I would just surprised if in the next episode, we got anymore Montrose storyline. Either I'd be surprised. bananas. Terrence Positive Charan's positive once. Sorry I I was excited the hippolyte came back. Because I felt like when it was sort of given to her the choice and it was like I have this daughter I was Kinda. I was like I mean, yeah she's been offered this and that's great. But it made me sad that she was able to be like by family and my young child and so I was Kinda. Glad that she got sick like that. She made the choice to come back. and. I was excited to hear that she still did a lot of stuff will while she was away. And it does seem like it helped her like I, did think I was I was glad that she she made that decision I agree with that. Yeah. All right. Well, I love that. Taryn, thank you for that. Thank you for bringing us back to a positive place. All right. Well, let's jump into these damn emails We've talked so much. No it's okay. It's okay. It's all right. We can talk about the day of episode. All right. Here's the. John. Lose hear. Your daughter. That's nice. At the. Officer Mustard Stan after some emails. How much money would it take to make us spend a night? All right. Someone. sent us an email about episode eight. But said that Michigan had a Q. and A. on twitter memory talking. I think yes. Yes. What was? A digital? Excuse me. and. Meka. Sorry. Hi Hi I can't pronounce this person's name. Can we turn up the way we your year? What do you mean? This scene. Oh I see I see. Yes. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. No that doesn't do just put it back it back here I got some. What about what about? Like The humidity's year and you guys are like here, turn the music down law. Yeah. Oh. Cool. that. Better. It's better. Let's get it that sound good. Sounds better. Better not good. Are you, GonNa do something or are we going on? I can't tell if I need to do something. You good. Okay. I thought some say. Oh. Okay. Brett that arm looks like it's GonNa grab you always. Every time I look. Back Someone said to episodes left to find out because someone asked where to jaw run off to. But. We already got the answer to that one. please please tell me what Christina did to letty. Oh Okay Michigan says first of all Marian. Black Girls. Of nyu. Second of all, she gave her back I say back because Samuel gave it to Letty I to heal her from the gunshot wound in episode to the mark of Cain which is Samuel's invulnerability spell. Well. That's the same thing Christina. that. was bad sound. Yeah. Sorry. Wasn't as bad on our end. It's usually pretty bad. Why wasn't as bad on your on land? How Weird? Thing maxed out so we can hear you Michele Green says. She gave her back the mark of Cain. Which is Samuel's invulnerability spell and I guess Samuel gave it to Letty to heal her from the gunshot wound in episode two. Took it away? Guess Yeah. So Christina gave back. Okay. So that confirms that Chris Because What Christina has an invulnerability. Spell mark of. Cain as well like she physically has that mark of. They told us that's the mark of Cain so lettie must have that somewhere. So what we mentioned earlier before you here Taryn was that when Christina got. Attempted to have herself killed in the way that Emmett till was killed she was able to get bloody and have problems happened to her but she couldn't die but but letty can't can be in a fire filled room and not get burned whatsoever and we're curious about the inconsistencies there and now we have confirmation. So yeah so it is the same spell so I'm a little confused but we'll leave that for next episode maybe. Thoughts we just. Throw it. Hard it just accept. Yeah. That's that's. That's similar to kind of the book thing for me a little bit of like an inconsistency or something that that's I. Yeah. I. Didn't think about that that it is the same. That came up earlier. I mean, Hey, it is show right ready to hate on the episode now. Look. Bad precedent I know we have said so many because you're at the penultimate you have to everything has to start making sense so. Is Love Kraft country book come in. Has He, read it. That he's holding. Yeah he said I can not done it. He read it talked about reading it. Right, yeah, because he knows that is. Being who you're talking about? Yeah tick. Read it. To talk when an email. I'm still in the same one TIKTOK. Some more from Michel Green someone said, the twins were their significance, the topsy and mob-scene Bob I think she said reading the Devil Doll, chapter in by mattress novel and being a huge fan of a nightmare on elm street i. read this one I wanted to create arve version of Freddie Krueger and nothing scarier than real American history. minstrel shows and oncle Tom's cabin. Will we know how to scare me green I'll tell you. was into shows. Anyone was D- smelling the cops rotting flesh when she busts in on them I'm fascinated by how the magic system works on different people definitely a price to pay for certain things. Nisha Green says, you may have noticed all the flowers around Captain Lancaster's office. I believe they would support your theory. That's cool. That's fun. All right. Thank you for sharing that highlight. Someone highlights to kind of stuff. We should be noticing guys we have a podcast about the I know. Max Sends an email saying Danny Devito, the gift that keeps on giving. High first time show with the season ending soon, it only seemed right that we have Danny Devito clips for this show to. The first clip is just for the whole show in general. And the second clip is about the that high heel rape scene by Ruby. Alright. Can't. Wait. Same truly. All right. Max. Here's. THE FIRST CLIP My world is turned upside down right now with this audio. there. Mac. Os that Danny devito yelling white man get down. The whole show, and here's the second one. And by the way. The rape scene went really well. All right. Okay. All right. Applicable thanks Mac Max. mccully, thanks MacAulay Culkin Steve Lakes to leave out the last letter of each name thanks Matt. All right. Next one comes from ways each jazz saying are advocates Latisha main characters Oh lovecraft country episode nine. Hey, a friend does really quick I was thrilled to hear that most you guys still love doctor who and just as a follow up to that quickly I'd love to know which of the monsters slash villains on that show are your favorites I think mine's the weeping angels because it's just a cool idea done perfectly every time they show up save it for the doctor who podcast anyways I think it's fair to say I agree more with Brett on the whole with this series than anyone else I also think the show is more. When atticus and letty aren't the focus for the episode despite having a bit of a crush on both of them that's understand. Yes. Same. Tick kind of seems like he's headed down the path to be an antagonised more and more with each episode and I'm not here for it. Just. To be frank I think the first half of half of this episode sucks up until they go back in time everything feels rushed and just an excuse to get to the past that being said once they are in the past the episode works perfectly it's just a shame the beginning is so uninteresting. I do think Lettie walking through explosions crying is a great visual though sure. That's that's what's great about that. Like listen I've always liked strong opinions. Also I'd like the withdraw six feet under as my choice for the next show and submit. Mister robot. It's a really cool show about hackers to put loosely and it's criminally under scene. It's also only forty six episodes over four seasons if that help sell it although at this point, I'm sure you guys have decided already only forty six chow for now. Yes. Shoe he asks you. Bro. Have decided already Israel Shabas. Lopez. It's cory in the house. S. Tearing House. Do you know what it is. Yeah. Okay. You're talking about the spinoff of. That's rain. That's correct. Okay. He lived in the white. House. Yes. That's about all I remember about it yeah okay. That's not Israel Shabas. Lopez sends an email saying hello boys and summer girl Ecuadorian boy Israel here. First of all shout to the valley folk twitch channel. It's really cool to interact with you guys in real time. The Karaoke was amazing. Steve Your voices god-like. Old On. Has An. Amazing Voice. Well. And he says, he's sorry every time he gets a con. He says his name is stratosphere on twitch. Now to the episode it's very hard to believe that all of this actually happened in the US such a big part of history that should be taught in every school. I like this kind of time travel. The closed loop is good because it keeps things tight. avoid loose ends while also having cool payoffs like tick being the bad guy. The shot were Montross, what he's a Bat Oh the bat. Just picturing a flying. The shop where I feel like closed loop. Time travel is all we're getting now though. Yeah. Like nobody wants to hang their dick out there because everybody's just makes on it. Really, make a sound of thunder style. The second you go back in time everything's fucked. So you're talking about content in general. Right okay. I see. Did you guys get back to the future vibes when she sat that picture up? Like, on the thing. Oh I'll tell you I think it was that same universal battery to. Everybody. Needs. To be watching. Survives from what the win the when they got the picture of the three of them and added on the machine. That's where we were like setting up because I thought we were going to miss something up and people were gonNA disappear. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I that was like right where my brain went. Never showing us the actors they hired to play the young versions of the character I wondered that but then that we'd recognize them when we saw them a few moments later. And that's exactly what happened. That's what I didn't think we could do. It are so right right. They had to show us they didn't shoot it on that back lot. Don't you think it looked like university? Back Lot back to the show. I'm thinking Um. It's interesting. The Shot Montross is talking was beautiful. He was talking to us telling us these stories reminding us that this actually happened and about the heroes of this horrible event very powerful. That's it for today girl and boys I hope you have. Ask Time. In the finale event, you guys are going to please be safe and as always. Let me see in that man, ask show your nipples Daniel where you go to the next. Can I say he also replied to something on Instagram I posted that most people understand it it was such A. Perspective mattered. Kind of a thing and most people did not understand it had to do with feminism and he totally got it and I'm like you're not even from the US and you fully got this like there's a culture separation so I want to applaud. Nice. Nice. Good boy. All right Danielson you going to the finale event? Yes. It's it's yeah. It's a drive in drive in situation. They're showing us the finale this week. Well. That's really cool. That comes out. Sorry Brat. Very cool. Off. Balance it with football. Again, I won't say anything about it. Until. Sunday. I'll pretend Tanabe jealous for the foreseeable. Future. That sounds great. I appreciate it. Having one in. South, Carolina I don't think so but I'll hit up my rep. Daniels higher. Lovely people can we talk about ticks outfit with a simple blue shirt and pants combo. Episode was fantastic and emotional. I can't believe we're only have one to go. What did y'all think about closing the loop by saving his parents Will you mean, well, a loved it saving his. Uncle Y- his mom was the oh yeah. That's right. That's right. That's right. Sorry I. Loved it. I loved everything about it. Also, this is the first episode not to use Centerman as the closing. Yeah. good call out yes. True. Thank you Daniel. Dan The man lot of Dan's tonight. So that is show keeps getting better. Hey, guys Miami Dan here. This show is just straight bonkers at this point. This. Is a short one since I know you guys already started recording. And I'm only halfway through the episode. Because I stayed watching the NBA finals which Miami. The final by the way. We're. Any, who loved to hear Y'all thought Miami Dan signing up. Thanks Brett showing up for the sports stars and. I do feel bad. His name is Miami Dan. Oh. Yeah. Probably His name God's sake. Got To see the Brian Win a bunch of titles there. Now, he's got to watch Lebron win and title La But Koby. Come on guys. It's Kobe come on. That's right. Andrew Whitney sends our final email here saying lovecraft country episode nine I. Don't know what to say another fantastic episode. I'm so terrified and ready for the finale Hashtag, I got you kid. I was GONNA. Say Somebody's got to that. Why did he say that specifically I I don't think. That's Jackie. Robinson said at the beginning. But. No, that's that's the only reason. Okay I haven't in theory that I wish he sent self-esteem more like something tick would say. Yeah I agree. Because then it because you know I maybe they didn't want it to be obvious that. Don't beat up your son. Be a good girl back for you take your shit out on your kid. You. Know what? I would have been. It would have been more interesting to me even if they never came back to it if he said something different if knowing that his dad remembered him saying that if you gone, they're purposely said something. Really interesting. Change anything like that's the only thing he chain the attitude that he didn't say anything because it didn't make any chain because he would have walked back to his dad and his dad's memory would have been. Oh, that guy said seal later. Sun. Instead, like whatever the sentence was would have changed in the dad's memory as well. You know am I off their silence I just think. It would have at least give me pause and been like Oh. My God. What did he just change? And it would have made me a little more interested in what's GonNa Happen next. That's true more drama Yeah Yep Yep Yeah Yeah. What really happened. Was the cowboy you can funded Johnny Larry the night. That's the question. All right. Well, listen we had a great time tonight. I had a great time tonight. What a what a difficult episodes watch in many ways, but a great episode overall. Was a little ABC's? But I can't wait for the finale very excited about it. Can we all agree a great episode overall sure yeah. y'All agree I know. I. Just want to share because it was a very negative pockets, but you know it's a good episode episode we. Already. It's not the worst of the bunch right. About it, it wasn't my favorite, but it definitely wasn't I I wouldn't put it in the bottom agreed. Last week those my that's my. It made me cry the most Advani episode cried like. You did cry. I cried loud. POSSIBLE THAN Could give the young girl the will to loo-. I actually would answer. Yes. All right. Well Listen Hospital. Cracker though. Pas Rule. Warren. Cracker. All right guys. Thank you for joining us Taryn what a what a fun time having. You so much for having me on. Thanks for on you should come back. Also, we're GONNA have to you about the other show. You passed. You Pass. The whole episode Utah the girl with Internet connection. Yes you you're in. More than that. But at the very least, it's nice to see those to listen. I saw my daddy. Do you Do you have any plugs? 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Cool and I'm actually proud of the edit you know when you make edits for Youtube and you kind of just have to rush it along at a certain point and you're not really you're like, it's good but you're not like actually. Proud. I took my time and I'm actually proud of this etta I think it's very cute and I'm doing a Halloween series on my instagram. You'RE GONNA see loads of costumes. I'm very excited. We're working really hard on them. So everybody. Some. Damlung. Explain. Story true fertilize Octopus Hey, ingested the human system actually grow inside the Bonnie. What is this way? Is that how the villains doctor WHO THE OCTOPUS LOOKING GUYS? So it's Jonathan. Fray. From the show factor fiction. Jonathan. Guy Star Trek Johnson Freak. So the hot guy on Star Trek next generation Reicher with the beer just if anybody's curious. And I'm sorry, WARF is the Hawkeye I'm Kalyan Hawkeye. That's his title. He's like the Bro. The Hawkeye. 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Chris from NC Part 2: Podcast Episode 117

Trapping Today

53:47 min | 1 year ago

Chris from NC Part 2: Podcast Episode 117

"One year got trapped. I like to travel light can make and I like to write where it'd be able to spend more time in the woods. I was losing money. Getting traps out. There is the hardest part I think with leave in the back of Montross earthly for going to no matter. What GUIDE TRAFFIC PARTNER? This is what you get to ask them guys. You know everything this Arkansas China. Learn something from pledging to ask questions without aspiration volume the game magazine especially for her. They're going hurt. Running the whole to fattening radio trapper. Carcelle listened to the most developers system yet working ahead to build the traffic very good. Your impact felt about these big hands. Most of my to coming from downtown. Probably the Best Part Plane Predator Shush waiters and even better fact in the first. This is trapping today cardinals. Those Jeremiah would thank you for tuning in we are brought to you by Cox Brothers lures. Kabc THE PALM SMARTER WORK HARDER ENJOYED. The success follows Casper's have baits lures books. Dvd's and everything you need to get the check him out Ross. Brought to you by for harvesters walk. The world comes five Wild Bir- you can find them at her harvesters dot com. Look THEM UP. For an Agent Commission. Pickup locations noxious schedules in past auction results. Lots going on in the bird industry and there's a lot of options that we pay attention to who he forward all right in tonight's up so we're GONNA talk with Chris from western North Carolina. This is part two of our conversation with Chris. He talks a lot about trapping beaver trapping or animal damage control and a bunch of other topics. I love talking with Chris. Great have him on. And let's get in the episode so that was the start for me the that. Yeah that really got me. Hooked on beaver trapping idle. I'm sure you agree. I mean you're you're trapping under the ice and stuff. I love to trap whatever I can track but there's something about that. I just love traffic yet. Yeah I what I like about. Him is is The regulations in the seasons are are just so much easier than every other species that we trap for here absolutely a super long season. And you can. You can do a lot of things to To catch him so and they're everywhere and at least we're in sounds like where you're at similar. They're all over the place and people want you to trap him. And when you locate an active beaver lodge can you see? Signed the you know. They're not far a hundred percent. I couldn't agree more and Another thing is like there's there's a lot of people in my life either through through my job or family members or just trends that I have are friends from back. Home that They see beaver as these cute cuddly things that you know build amazing stuff which is true but I think a really good Selling point for trapping especially with beaver is that dirt. There are very sustainable resource. You know what I mean. I mean at least here and it sounds like where you are. You know you can. You can feel like you trapped everyone in the whole county and then you're going to hear about ten more places that have whole new beaver colonies. Yeah well nobody else's strapping for him. Obviously no it's it's become like the the local joke we you know we've got A. We've got a general store here that's like looks like it's straight out of the thirties. And you can buy three thirties there. You can buy groceries there. You can buy guns. You can buy work boots. You can buy anything in between. It's like somebody's always saying to me. Oh what are you doing out trapping beavers because nobody else is doing so you went for your still trapping beavers it. Yup I'm a I you know I got once again like this year has been significantly better as far as knowing people because my fiance and I it's a real small town close knit community People have actually gotten to know and trust us even over Yankees you know and And because of that I've had people give me opportunities I had a guy. I'll keep it short sweet because this was pretty easy but I had a guy that asked me if I trap his. He's got a farm that he leases and he raises beef cattle on it. And he said you've got to see the damage at these beavers you doing. It's unreal. I thought for sure he might have been exaggerating. But I mean these. These beavers were cutting down trees. That were two feet around and He said I don't even care that they've made a Dan. This is a flood plain any way of not too worried about the cows don't either. He said that they've cut so many trees that they haven't knocked down. I'm afraid that they're gonNA fall on my calves and stuff like that and based on the dams and the damage that was there. I expected there to be. You know. No less than ten beaver and Had Three thirty in for a couple of days and they wouldn't go near him either. I thought you know what heck with it. You know. I'm just GONNA try to revisit snaring and see what happens and ice near the mating pair Snared one one night and snared the second one the next night and same set. Both of them were sixty plus pounds and then they had one offspring and I I did catch him in three thirty and they had they had six dams built on the creek plus the two that they had built before that he tore out with a backhoe and It was just the three of them and that was a month ago and he's had no problem sense so it just goes to show you that. Sometimes it's hard to judge. How many are there based on the work that they've done because those things are the machines you know? Yeah that's wow that is interesting. I remember two years ago. I trapped a lodge. It was a really big house and the guy had been having problems for years. And it hasn't been trapped in a long time You know I didn't really know what to expect. Ended up catching we. We caught ten beavers. Outta that one house so this year I went to a place several miles away and the house was the same exact size damn flow was pretty pretty much the same size and I thought well for sure. I've got at least eight or evert here you know and I tracked that for For a week straight and I caught I think it was. I think the reform there isn't it amazing it's like I guess. It just depends on the city. The vigil beaver that it does the amount that they have air. You know I suppose I mean they certainly are hard workers. I know that well yeah. I'm glad you mentioned beaver. Houses or lodges because Up until this property of all now I had never seen one every place I've ever trapped beaver private and public land. They've always just lived in bank dens. Really and it's it can be hard to set the entrances for them which I've I've caught three or four set in the entrances but usually the entrances are obviously underwater. Because that's their whole thing. Is they make an underwater entrance that leads to a dry dance. So off land creatures can't get in there But the the only way I've been able to successfully find entrances especially if the water gets murky for me walking around and stuff coming up. The bottom is just walk around with my my chest facing the bank and I just feel around with my foot for holes sure and then if I feel a whole that I can get my food and I'll take like a long stick kind of drive it in there to see. How far isn't that being said? I'm on property. Now that has Two lodges and when I first saw it reminded me of that picture that you have for trap and podcast where you're like yield down for lodging. I I thought it was like something out of National Geographic. I thought it was like the craziest thing. Ever 'cause I I've never seen them here. Wow that's amazing seeing him here and We see here. We have the most of the the beaver dams have lodges on them. The places where he had banked beaver just the the larger river systems for the most part. And that will Yeah I'm glad you brought that up because that's the connection I was I thought it was so crazy. I called the firmware Biologists the other week told her about and she's like so you know. What are you going on about now? I've never talked lady my wife. She's like I'm like yeah. There's lodges at this place. Traffic even lodges as she goes okay. Well what are you trapping? I said about the series of like Ken Pawns. Over the course of a mile track land and she said okay. We'll what were you trapped in when They all had bank names. I said it was all rivers and she said well. Yeah that's why they're not gonNA build a lodge that'll river right. They can't keep a damn there. I would have never thought about that yet. But you'll see the feed pile. I mean I assume Oh yeah you assume you guys get get feed byles? The you know our pilots are probably a little bigger because winners a lot longer here. But that's a really good indicator of beaver presence. Yeah I've actually use that to my advantage where instead of making like a traditional actually Castro mound sit. I've found their their fee. Paul's and toward the feet piles up and strewn it all across the bank and then just but made sure to find like a slide that they were coming in and out on that were pretty worn down and I tear the feed pile up and screwed around. The bank said a halfway submerged. Three thirty at that slide. Maybe rub some caster like a random spot in that area. So you know. It's hard to think like an animal that you're not thinking by thinking was that you know all he's GonNa come out of there and see that another beavers gotten his feet pile and he's going to get ticked off about it and go check it out of court one or two that way now when you get later in the winter and and you have When they when they're drawing off that feet bile typically. That's when there's ice cover a really good set. Is You can put a three thirty ray on the outside edge of the feet vile and the beavers will circle that pile to go in and grab food off of it and and usually they have a pretty good run. That's worn down because they're moving along the bottom right around the outer edge of the pile. Okay so it's almost like a semi circle or something around that age. Oh that's cool so you just kind of feel like you said like you did with the with the bank Dan. You can take a stick and you can feel for that depression and once you get it you just have to watch out the feed PAS like you got all these sticks pointing in different directions jamming out so you just gotTa find a spot where you don't have too much interference to set you three thirty and make a few put a few guide sticks on either side of it. Oh that's awesome. There's this place a matt now has a couple of feet piles of. I can definitely do that. Yeah I I went out. Check out this property and this is another example is kinda stumbling backwards into a good situation. one of my coworkers. Fred's songs is a avid bass fisherman. The kid you're mentoring no different kids. Forget okay good. We'll get into that one. Yeah I know it's a lot to keep up with. It's like I could. I could talk years wooden Indian but Yeah so anyway I this kid who fishes these bass palms that are stocked by this land on this landowner. Basically made millions of dollars in stolen cable television in California like the nineties or something moved back here to western North Carolina and built dislike these huge. It's like ten pounds and each one like slowly less elevated than the previous so they all flow into each other wildlife. Resources Commission has put duck boxes there. There's resident east there. I mean it's just it's perfect habitat for anything that lives in the water and This kid fishes these pawns on. He happened to be at a holiday gathering that I was that he was telling. I heard you physician. Stuff's we're talking back and forth. He starts telling me about hobbies. Beavers are all set up in his paws and stuff long story short. He gets me permission to go out there. And trump awesome so I go out there. I see these lodges on like in all you know thinking I'm having visions of grandeur and I went down to the general store and bought every thirty that they had and I I made sets to. You couldn't fake sets anymore and I checked empty sets for a week and realize these things were probably trapped shy So I said okay. There's a lot of that going on. Do you need a layouts to trap for beaver there? If if you're a landowner the way the regulations read I would I would feel that you do I talked to people that have said. They've tried and been pretty confident that they didn't have a license. You have that situation a lot of times you. You tend to get educated beavers because the land owners are just constantly getting after him and might be the only beavers. They've tried to trap. And in the last twenty years right. I ended up getting confirmation from landowners that a guy had previously tried to trap them without much success. That's the way he put So whether the guy who they had trapping was even a licensed trapper. I don't know but So I figured okay no big deal. I'll pull all three thirties. And I'll make your honor sits and stares aid the only sets that I had any activity at work. Footholds at ruin drowns at rewind sets where I didn't do job putting the the trap in the right place and they probably hit it with your chest and fire off but even the snares anything that had any kind of castor or anything that I put out. They wouldn't go near Boston. Yes so I reached out to another guy who's kind of bent toward me even trapping since he's nine and he's like his fifties and the guys just machine a couple years ago he's a couple hours east of me a couple years ago. He caught like one thousand forty eight beaver on year. Geez guys animal but I reached out to him in a Mike. You know this is probably a stupid question. House like but can be be caster. Shot was like Yup absolutely. He's like I know it's counterintuitive. It sounds counterintuitive. But A. He's like yeah they definitely can and especially if the previous trapper is heavy on using castrol his sets. He's like the best thing you can do is Paul you're set for a week or two and bake them think you're out there and then go back in and start blind setting and So I got really fortunate because in the inner oh This landowner. He's gotten nicer by the week which I wasn't expecting. He's a nice guy to be gabled. Yes he yeah. Pick the cable guy will call no affiliation to the movies. Nobody's tries to sue you own hair but he he's name is Larry. No fortunately not That's funny now now. I've got derailed. He's getting nicer. He's got When he first asked me to trapped like. I've got the impression that it's like. I want you to get these beavers and get them out of here and they're tearing everything up and they've to down trees that have been here since I was a little kid. Babol and It was like two days and he calls me and he was like let me ask you. So did I be called any BIEBER's yet and I wasn't about to tell that I've already determine their traction because there's only two days anyway I said no not not yet but it's not. It's not uncommon. Not Catch right away. He's like well. How's the firm market right now? Right I said Sir I said I don't know if that's a loaded question and I said It's not as good as it once was. I said but It's still in existence. It's had helps. He said well I tell you already said autumn when she out there wasting your time fuelling. Like you've just gotTA BE OUT. There catch beaver. He said you know the regulations you know the for Bears. You can catch. He said how about you. Try to catch some beaver. And in the meantime you catch anything that you want to catch and I was like you know stolen. Because I wasn't expecting that the MIC. After if you're good with that I'd love to and So is this your first foray into land trapping no I. I caught four Red Fox last year trying to catch coyotes in very quick succession. I called were Red Fox in like a week and a half and it was true. Dude I'd only I'd only made four sets I thought Fox's and everyone of 'em Nice but Last year in my county legal to keep Red Fox that has since been changed so once. I land trapped. If I catch up you'll have to keep them. Okay so you release those guys okay. Now you're told me awhile back not to d really too much but you'd you'd said something about going to the commissioners the county commissioners to advocate for Fox trapping and it W- people probably don't realize because your state is pretty unique in that county's control counties have some authority on trapping as opposed to most other states. It's the state that that governs. Yep Yep you're exactly right Basically the issue was is that of all the ferber's that were All the ferber populations and species Mur under the jurisdiction of North Carolina. Wildlife Resources Commission Except for Fox Fox was a a county government issue and any idea where that came from. We know exactly where it came from. I WANNA make disclaimer on that too. I've got some great friends who are Housman that are you know they hunt bears with house. They don't coincide with Hal's rabbits anything in between and Actually one of the guys that meant toward me with trapping and sold me a lot of my first traps is a guy who he sold me all his traps because he wanted to help me out and gave me a good deal because he wanted to pursue hunting with his dogs and so he's very supportive of trap and he's a huge advocate up it basically. It was like some really archaic stuff where I don't know if it was forty fifty years ago or something. At some point there was a there was some kind of disagreement between trappers and Housman regarding foxes and Basically what happened is some some political people's pockets got lined to keep the Fox harvesting in the favor of the House has been. This is back when there were a lot of trappers and helmsmen out the for was actually worth something correct. Yeah exactly and So that that was the issue L I can't take much credit for getting that changed There's a lot of people that gave me information and stuff by biologists and I kind of broke the ice with the county commissioners but due to stuff I going on the other trappers and guys from the trapping association that actually seal the deal and put the nail in the coffin and got us the season again so this year you can keep them. Yes sir. That's right all right so back to the cable guy. So Larry the cable guy. He said he basically contacted me. And Said Hey if you WANNA trap and you know you're into trapping. I'm not expecting you to be out here. Try to catch these beaver for me and not focus on anything else. He said there's a ton of stuff out here he said I've got no problem with it and And the other thing. He said which has been a huge relief. Since I've found out that these things are pretty educated beavers that he said I just wanted to let you know he said if you catch two or three and you can't get rid of whatever he said. I'm fine with that too. He said anything. You do helps me out at Anythi. You catch helps you out so I'm good with that. So He's been he's been really really nice he's been great guy And Soon as he told me that. You know I- I loaded up. Everything I had in the trap. Shed went out there Started setting for Muskrat started setting for mink which these maker a lot smarter than I caught last year. Apparently but The highlight I think so far regarding what I've been catching I mean I would I catch. I'm happy with it. You know how it is. It's the Chore Being Out. There is what's important but catching something just makes. It makes a little better but I ended up catching my first officer and I was intentionally trying to catch that. Otter which made it better I've got a ten year old lab mix and He's the type of dog that he'll wake up in the morning. You feed him. He goes outside. Does what you need to come inside. Sleep on the couch all day and never give up until dinnertime and I figure you know what like. It's not fair. Maybe I should be more involved with. Kiva have active. Let me start taking them with me. I won't be hold. This dog is like a tracking machine as far as As far as animals are concerned him. Yeah did you hear? Yeah Yeah He. He knew he knew he was talking about him. He all jokes aside if he hears me. Say The word traffic. He Starts Allen Joan crazy he probably her dot kidney. Probably heard me But I took him with me and it was like he would go over tall. Fresh beaver slides. He was finding all the cast around us five all the trails and he ends up like running out into the middle of this beaver pond. And I'm getting all upset about it because I think he's GonNa you know hurt himself or something and he goes over to this one and he just starts howling and I go over there nursing huge otter toilet covered and fish scales and I'd never seen one before. People had always told me what they were what to look out for but I had never seen one. I thought well you know what I'm just going to set some traps here. Sure enough I call it my first daughter and Just the other day twelve days later since I caught that female And the same exact boring said I caught male sweet. Yeah I I told a guy that I told the guy who caught him towards me. I told her that I really enjoy skin and honors and he told me that there must be something wrong. Yeah he was like he's like Bhai Four. They've got some of my favorite for God's name you enjoy skin it up. Yeah I just told him I said you know boss Kratz. If you pour too much you you can rip the belly open. I said Beavers are just a chore. No matter how you cut it at least they are to me. I don't know what it is. I just I guess off the one thing I've found that I've gotten somewhat good at doing compared to the other to the thing I hate about otter which I don't think they're that bad but they're they're wicked greasy when you you know their appeal a little hard and then the worst thing is once you go skinned and you get them flashed. You still got to do the tail. Yeah exactly Eddie. Get Out and Yeah it's it's a work but it's fun I in any of US catch a whole pile of offers you know. I'd probably catch an order for every ten beaver so when I get one. I'm pretty happy about it. Yeah I mean it was. It was one of those things where I was like okay. A dog found the sign for me. The science here just need to set on it and you'll still be in a relatively new trapper. You always had doubt in your mind. Well I'll put this year and even if I make it perfect on every catching this is the first time I call one. And it was a pretty decent size I was like dumbfounded and then when I reset it. I thought there's no way AL catching other ones and it was really cool. 'cause we took tracks the. I am a little trap and partner with the. He was an hollering and jumping around splashing around. He thought it was the best thing ever so it was great. So so you were the youngest trapper in the county. Probably and Now it sounds like there's Someone that's Beach. You beat you out to that. Yeah he's he's got me beat by twenty years up thirty three and he's thirteen It's a pretty. It's a pretty beautiful story. I'll try not to get too long winded with it I guess I should say this. I so that original guy that I tried to trap beaver four where the am blew out. There was no beaver that he turned to his father in law. That guy is now my boss. Okay the father-in-law made no the Oakley. Brother-in-law was the old old old timer. Correct his son in laws. Now my ball right on I was in between jobs Why wasn't in between jobs? I was working on. Java wasn't happy with I ended up telling the father in law about it. This guy was always a matter of fact about everything whether he was saying something. Nice weather. Say it's up to the fence. Just own fact he says Just please call my son in law. He'll give job and I'm like well. Yeah I don't like what do they do for a living? He tells him like aren't really have experienced. Don't matter all you need to do is just telling me a job. It will give you up for about two months later. I was at my wit's end with the job I was in and I called this guy I say hang on. This is going to sound crazy. I don't know have you anything you guys do. But YOU KNOW MR. Lionel told me to give you a call. And he's like Oh yeah. Sure I'll give you a job. So he's currently by employer to this day and His brother lives right down. The road from me and his brother has recently adopted a thirteen year. Old Kid And I will air that kids dirty laundry. Because that's his story not Marv but I'll tell you you couldn't pay me to go through the things that that kid went through and I. I've already told you that I've been through some stuff. But this kid has been through everything I've been through ten four and Essentially the stars aligned to where? My coworker ended up crossing paths that this kid and ended up adopting and I see I see a lot of myself in this kid and I mean a good way to where he's thirteen years old. But sometimes when you're having a conversation with you feel like you're talking a seventy year old age. Yeah he's he's super engaged. He's always thinking and just the one day I thought I thought God I feel like this kid's got the the grain of a trapper. He just doesn't note because he's always thinking and asking questions and analyze and stuff figuring it out so on a total with him. I said to my coworker. Hey would you mind if I took your son out traffic with me? He might enjoy it. I can always use the help. It'll be it'll be cool and you know by to be one hundred percent honest. I honestly expected it. The kid is such a sweet kid. I expected him to agree to go in order to be nice. Did Not say no to me. And I figured I'd taken at I ever hear about it again. It would be fun. We go about our business and I took him the first time and they would five minutes down the road from me and after the first time I took him I dropped off at his house and before I could get back out. You texted me and said Hey Tommy picking me up tomorrow. I guess we'll see where this goes. Yes he yes. He did have a little bit of trapper in them. He's got a whole lot of trapping and he. I mean he with permission from his dad. You know we're checking traps stern school days and everything he you know he's he's into it he's he skipped his muskrats out. I mean it's been it's been awesome. That's cool that's awesome. Would he? Would he happened to take size? Medium T shirt. I think he would. He's supposed where one of those got skunk cutthroats shirts. He would love that. All right. We'll get Email me his address more than that. I got one here on the shelf. Okay also I appreciate it. So so that's That's you see you hear a lot of guys get into trapping and and it takes you know. After a few years. They want want to help other people get into it and stuff. But you don't waste any time DEA. Though it was it was it was just one of those things. Where because I you know. I've got to say this like my family. My my younger brother. He's a couple of years younger and My Mom and dad hunters trappers. Not Fishermen Lose hours away. My brother lives of the country. But they're very supportive of what I do You Know Daddy. Daddy came down for Thanksgiving and they ate some beaver meat that I had made in a slow cooker. And they're all But I tell my mom and dad all the time that I think that There's a huge disconnect with kids to where I I saw it a lot growing up because if I if I look at all the kids reduce US outdoor stuff as kids and as they got owner. Most of those kids didn't take say road that I took right. Some of them did but we were the minority yet and I think it's super important to get kids in touch with the outdoors on any capacity but I've seen what I've learned you know. I think the biggest thing is if you take a kid who's twelve or thirteen and teach them how to heart or teach them how to fish your team of teachers try. They'll learning curve so fast for someone who's younger. Yeah their brains work quick and they can remember things retain them and yeah. It's it's amazing. I'm just seen it with my kids. And they're four and six but you know their their brains are way faster than mine. Yeah exactly and it's like you know you can. You can kinda say something off the cuff. Like you're almost saying to yourself like I'll say something out loud about well. I better not sit this year. Because regulations of all the law. And I'm saying it for myself more than anything not even thinking about the fact that he's there with me and then three days later we find ourselves in the same situation now. Say Hey I'll say hey. We should probably not set this trap here. And he'll say well. Yeah I know. 'cause regulations says Paul. Well you know it's like they pick up on stuff you. Yeah so so this young fellow. You know you're you're thinking you can help him avoid or the dark stuff that you had to go through when you're his age in and get him on the right track here are certainly hope so and I don't you know I don't try to play. God I don't. I don't think I have any special kind of power but you know I just feel like kids that The have the opportunity that do this outdoor stuff it gives them. It gives them an alternative to like going and getting in trouble in new and all the other stuff that you know. People are home to do I remember my best friend who originally got me into the outdoors. I talked about the Craig interview I remember. He is said to me. He said you know being I've thought about it. And and he has his own story with some events that I don't be at all you'd said to me he said you know man. I've thought a lot about why I never went down the same road that you did. And he said I really think. A big part of it was being outdoorsman. He said because when you have these choices to make and summer going summer bad he said when you know that feeling is to go out and kill a deer or go out catch a fish or go out and catch a beaver. Whatever it might be he said that stuff is always in your mind. Whether it's in the back of your mind the forefront and he said there was a lot of times where I could have paid really bad decisions and I didn't and my reasoning was all not going to be proficient deer. Hunter if I start doing that I'm not going to want to wake up before school when you go. You know track an animal. If I do that. That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah I it it kind of Develops into a priority in your life that you know a lot of the things I think that gets us off track in life or are just You know decisions that we make because there's empty holes to be filled. Yeah exactly and when you've got traps to check first thing in the morning and then you've got a job to go to you. Don't have time to mess around with with with l stuff. You're exactly right and I told my I told my dad one day he said he said you. Know Ob- super supportive. My Dad's the type of guy. Where like you know. I tell them on a beaver trapping. He's like online like reading up the ARC in the other day you know he's he's telling me about how there's there's like each market for these hats that these Jewish rabbis were appear for Yup we could be making millions and all this but but that's because he cares you know yeah just the other day he texts me and I I. I'm glad I remember to bring this up. Oh you get fired up about it. But he texts me out of nowhere. He goes well. I just found this really good website that I think more people need to see this autism and it was the the truth. About for website And he like I think if more people saw this they wouldn't even feel the way they feel about trump. I I totally agree totally. Yeah I was talking to dad and he says you know he says one hundred percent supportive of you do whatever you're doing if it's keeping you on the right track and making you better person. He said what do you think it is that you know was trapping hunting fishing but mostly trapping because that's really what I obsess on A. He said what do you think it is that keeps you in that positive pattern of behavior. I told the outdoors is taught me one thing that I was ever ever able to learn or listen to anybody else about my whole life and it's personal responsibility You know and why. And whether that's following regulations or whether that's making ethical decisions about how to dispatch now all that stuff. Those were just concepts that I would have ever been exposed to. You know. It's like you said if you can no matter what you've been through in your law if you can get up and check traps at four o'clock in the morning when it's twenty degrees out and they're sleet and snow coming down and you're about to be the process deep in a beaver pond. If you can do that you can convince yourself to wake up at six o'clock jaw yet. You convince yourself to you know. Stop and get gas on the way home. Even though you've got enough to get home on empty it's like all this keeps you in check a lot and I just do it. I need to do now. I don't have to worry about it later. And what do you think about this? Just run around my head so so you're out there in the woods and you know they always say that freedom Freedom comes with responsibility. So you're out there and there's really you know you look over your shoulder. There's nobody watching you. You're free to do what you want but you also have responsibility to do. Do the right thing to do what you need to do to achieve What you're trying to get at whether it's a trap a beaver a fix problem for landowner. Whatever so maybe just that that whole idea of getting out into environment that like the mountain men experienced where you have your outside of the the boundaries that modern day society has. And it's kind of up to you and you have that responsibility. I don't know feels like it puts a little bit more weight on a person to To be more responsible for themselves. Yeah Yeah I you know. I wholeheartedly great because it's like It's like the whole thing about doing the right thing when nobody's watching you know and You you make a great point. I don't even. I don't know how much I can even add that others like it's something that trump has taught me that I ever had in my life prior and it's like if I did stop all hurling up all the exploits and all the stuff is doing. I wasn't even really concerned that I did something role as much as people find out that I did something wrong. And then how? He has no sure as an outdoor as outdoorsman. It's like I want to do the right thing because I wanted to do the right thing. Did you don't like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter nobody else's around take a badge on or off an animal or they said not supposed to be doing like. I'm still going to know about that's not so I wanna live and I I've made numerous mistakes. Just add ignorance. But I've I've never since I've started trapping I've never said to myself. This is totally wrong. And I know it's wrong but I'm going to do it anyway because it might pay off bycatch now that's been the big difference you know. It's it's held the adjustment moral compass that makes sense. It does absolutely. So what's next for Chris Bell Being a little buddy we went out there and we bought all arse all today. 'cause WE THOUGHT. I didn't like sixty seven degrees right now We got full moon. Thank kind of phasing out We've got a lot of rain ahead of us. Ed Honestly of just a little bit worn down because being him just been running running running and you know I I work long hours in slight job and like you said with that personal responsibility you know Mother Nature Trapping regulations. Don't give a crap how many hours you had to work with time. You get home or sleep. It doesn't matter when you gotTA check through straps. You got checked in its tracks. When you've got skin something to voice oilers you gotTa do end up. We've been going really hard and with the incoming weather and be wanting to make some adjustments on our traff lies swap out some traps and stuff. I made a deal with them. I said. Hey you're gonNA do because here's the thing if I don't tell him how and just keep going and going and go. Yeah as long as I tell them. I'm picking you up. He's GonNa go. He doesn't care he's he's all about Ed. This is outside of him being a full time student aid. He's on the wrestling team so I don't really have any excuse. 'cause he's just as busy as May blessed. Hey let's take a break. Let's pull everything it's work on some traps. Let's adjusted stuff I've got an order in for some subdue Predator traps. So basically we're GONNA take this week off and If all goes well this upcoming Saturday Were GonNA sit heavy for Otter or start trying to snare snare beavers blind sits ab set some foothold survivors Rinky or after muskrats. Because we've been doing ought to put some more. Gp's out We put to dog proof traps out and within three days be called him as I could and ended up in a triple X. cone all he was really fired up about that he took care of the dispatch. He did he did everything. So we'd like to catch a couple more. Koon and then we're going to try to start catching some coyotes. That's good so it's good. It's always good to take a break. Re-energized and resupply and get back at it. So yeah well. Hey Chris this was awesome. I really appreciate you coming on anything else. You wanted to talk about or mentioned honestly. I'm just relieved that I was able to regurgitate all this under four hours. I thought I was going to hold you hostage here. And you're going to have to like a six part mini series. I was feeling kind of bad about it but my fiance like I said she's A. She's a godsend in the she. Always shows picks. Follow me saying that. I never get too excited about anything. But you know as you both know you get talking about trapping. Shut up but Really Man I just. I would hope that anything that somebody could take away from. This is You know there's a lot of the lot of programs in doctors and psychologists and medications that people use to seek help and make themselves better. I don't I don't discredit any them but You know I would strongly recommend that people don't out now the great outdoors. Yeah he cuts off. You know the stuff we're doing not only. Did it. Help build this country but knows a different different caliber. People back then. People didn't have to worry about what their problems were. You know I don't. I don't say that to be sensitive towards anybody I say to myself I was always so consumed with myself and what was going on with me when in reality is like our country was formed on some hardcore people. You know do some hardcore stuff especially the outdoors. I mean even Teddy Roosevelt. If you're looking all let me and said I don't think people should out ruin the great outdoors as a way to you. Know figure out what's wrong with them and figure out a way out of it. Yeah and it's absolutely good medicine. I think absolutely and if and if people that are listening say will. I don't really have anything wrong with that. Need to figure out you know more power to Ya. I would suggest you find somebody that might need some help. You take him trapped in or get them to a free class. Just get them turned onto this stuff. Because I don't I can't say enough about it you'll I I said to you in the email if if it weren't for what I'm doing now I hardly percents either. Be Dead or in person completely convinced that wealth makes you feel any better. I think all of us have a little bit wrong with us in so trapping would help. Probably every one of US could could be a whole separate podcasts if you went back and forth to talk about what we suspected was wrong with well and the thing is you all. It seems as though you just mentioned it. People who don't have enough problems find problems and when Jeremiah Johnson was out there you know set beaver traps looking over shoulder. Make sure he didn't have an Arrow about to go through his back You know he didn't have to worry about you. Know Board. Or what am I gonNa you know? What am I gonNa do this evening after supper right? Yeah Hey man. I don't. I'm not going to go on a whole tangent. That brings up a great point. I think I think a lot of this stuff. It comes from lack of stimulation. Y- you know people people stare at TV people you know give their kids smartphones and say here. I all the APPS you want. Just leave me alone like it's no wonder that we ended up in these predicaments. I mean you can go out doors and forget that a cell phone this you can for me I can. I can go out trapping and forget that I had a bad day at work. You know I can scan critter and not be thinking about like my stressful schedule. Were these bills to pay. And the difference is that I can forget about it for a while but because traffic has taught me responsibility that when it's time to know back from honor society and do I need to do. I'm able to do it because trap and teaches you. That responsibility end the other. The other coping mechanisms to forget about that stuff. makes a lot harder to wake up in the morning. You got that right absolutely bill because check this out you. You not only have regret about what you did. You hurt in order to do those things but you sit all those feelings all day and by the end of the day. Chances are go out. Do the same thing to get again. Forget about you feel yeah. I've I've never wants felt like that. You know set the beaver trap. Yeah it'll that's that's a good perspective. I enjoyed I enjoyed talking with you about it and Again great to have you on and Always awesome to get emails from you and updates and questions and everything else. So thanks for that. I agree we appreciate your mind help more than you realize. Oh keep moving foreign chemo. What we now sounds. Good Chris. All right we'll take care and we'll talk again. Her taking his all right thanks bye.

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The Safe Negro Pod - Lovecraft Country Season One Review & Recap

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The Safe Negro Pod - Lovecraft Country Season One Review & Recap

"Blackout. Your now nothing to. Be Same. Pool. Back drop houseguests. We are here we told you he backed it may be the end of season one of lovecraft country. What does not the NFC Negro because we have in store for you as we promised, we were going to still have some events, some cool stuff and some surprises, and here's your first surprise. We Myself Porsche, Patterson hers and DJ Ben I've. Had An incredible live zoom backup. Men Friends over to talk shit. Now Yeah we talked shit but we we have fun like we did more than that like we went into our thoughts about lovecraft country overall our favorite characters we talked about the finale know that everyone's on either side of that. 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I, AM super excited that we're doing this. Thank you everybody on sit I. Don't know if I call it a panel or or a family I don't know but I'm just happy that the family is here. Again thank you for joining us a safe Negro podcast live and we are going to be talking about everything concerning the first. Hopefully I say, I with a lot of hope in my heart but the first season of of of lovecraft country, it's myself Tatyana King One of the host of the Safe Negro. pod And I'M GONNA ask my co host to also introduce themselves. As DJ been I, mean the other coho serve the Save Negro pod In Push. The other. Other other. We also have a group of amazing people that have join us today to chat. They're going to be your live speakers. Today we have I'm just GONNA say their names, and if you could just introduce yourself shortly a brief intro, we have the bouncer here. Going on everybody my name is rebound soup would also Chuck Collins I. Draw a Little Web Comical Bounds and drew a couple of. 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We also have a tag team here with Rod and Karen from the Black I. Out doing avenues. Co host of a comedy podcast, and we also do a little bit of love we happen to name. And rounding out, we have been Nicole Hilton the cokely's introduce yourself. Hi Nicole. Covered low-carbon energy in In Yeah I've had a blast a covering the show I feel I'm still living in that role in my head. So mind really heavy here banks so much and also the blur will be here. Shortly, will introduce her in a moment when he gets in but less just started. Joshes. S Let's remove him. I. I will say I expected at least one person to kind of come here and bomb the zoom but not got little ash shaking. Let's get into the detail. What did you think of this season of lovecraft country? Just overall not as you've seen all ten episodes what are your thoughts anybody speak up? Yeah, I thought out I. Love. I. Love Behold he's alcohol. and I think that. Stand out the more of like. Relive them and they will always have something new fine i. don't think I was happy with the ending. But I think is not like. I would never get this is. I. Think more like. We're going to be something different. You know what a hit harder but I think. I. I mean to me so many episodes and properly I am. On in life. You have to have any kind of connection to the show and I think that's call about the people who are in and out here of word like how I love that episode. Timmy that was really cool about just the episode that you can kind of put on into the shower like into horror. Absolutely. Absolutely. Shocked. You say something no I was just sighing because the host the host so. This one alongside side maybe yeah. I mean not in a in a bad way it was it was more like. It. Was a lot to process in. You know I'm I'm assuming that this is all spoiled with free so we can just oh nothing I'm sure everyone listening has seen the show you will be spoiled. We're not. We're not. You know give a leg up on that. So I felt that the season was great but the last episode felt rushed. If ally the writers everybody else when show was like look we don't know if to be it season two if we're going to even have a season two, let's try and round everything up and we don't have any more episodes lots. If I think if if it was like. Two three episodes till the final season, we would have had a well rounded story. But overall I wasn't dissatisfied. But hoping I really liked it. Okay I'm hearing the similar sentiment from you from online throughout the week. Everyone's kind of Massena. Same thing pretty much. They've enjoyed it but this that lasts episode. Off To them does anybody WANNA to speak about what it was about the last episode that you had a problem with the finale episode Oh, okay can. Chime in just real quick. We loved it. We begin in the end. Yeah, we love. About it. There were some things that with the two spirit you know, I don't think that was handled properly, but you know overall. I actually liked it I night. I'm coming from somebody who who was a blank slate I didn't know anything about it never heard of it before. So my perspective would probably be different from people that may have more background in it but for me being as far as the storytelling and what they told I actually enjoyed the story every week and what they told me and I loved it as well. Why from beginning to end it felt like a lot on. Something that was very finite. You know black life in the nineteen fifties and segregated. In America and made it infinite and they touch so many John Ras. You'd never knew what the show is. GonNa be every every episode it was almost like an anthology, but in one season and even final episode the biggest concern that I saw before the final episode was that they were going to have loose narrative strains. Yeah and this like they didn't they they tied things up pretty neatly an accomplished had no great way and of course, we can spoiled that ending with the. thought. I'd see that on TV, ever I don't know how they like right room life that. Sleigh desperate like let's just say what they say. Let's let's see what holiday. Amazing. That was like how everyone wanted to. We call it. We call the D. One thousand after terminated. So. We get into that next question I just WanNa one introduced Jeremy. Horn. The blurb. She is here just want to introduce yourself real quick. Everybody on Camera Horn. Girl, just content creator. Thinking Highest Dugway Yet, just a I am a contributing editor Scifi wire also founded the blur girl dot com. I. Also have the weekly show on twitch the blogger alive, and I'm just basically at tell everybody I am sort of park at the intersection of diversity. But this show This show and just a reminder besides the speakers here everyone else will be on mute. There will be opportunities where we will you have to ask audience questions, but also the chat room is there. So if you have any comments whether you agree, disagree what we're saying we're going to also be asking questions within the comments. So please chat along with us and listen in So back into the next question that everyone's keeps hitting on that last episode of finale. Lobby by questions about how it went down particularly with D- I personally loved it. D is me and when she got to that point, I was just like look she had gone through so much in a short period of time and really it came down to her realize and she has to take matters into our own hands. She was finally getting this point where she now knew what was going on and she was enabled literally and figuratively with that with the D one thousand hand and and for some people, it was a bad change, her personality bits and being made sense. I think honestly I personally think it made a lot of sense. I had issues with the finale but that was not one of them thought these character was perfectly rounded I also think. People saw twitter I. came to it late. But I got there I mean I D- This First of all grew throughout the shows you grew from being innocent to seeing the things around her to realize that that has a little black girl. In this country, she is not going to be protected. What's you have to protect yourself? I. Also think that her mother brought her to a parallel universe to get her that arm and it was at that time that I personally think that it was D- Not beyond say that's the Garnett looking woman that was the person with the with the metallic arm. That gave tick the book. So I think the D that we saw in that I think that we saw in the the back end of that. Show. The very end. was. Upon, thinking about it same d from the same university that we saw in the beginning she traveled and she knew knew more and she knew that in the future according to the book that Ticks Son wrote that these people WANNA learn. So when she said they ain't never GONNA learn it wasn't just about why people it was about the adults like. So that's why they she gave the double tap and I'm not mad at her for it. I love the drake She got me a long few an Seasons, in some of those episodes with the last few episodes, it was a lot going on and we didn't even really have a clear idea of what she was going through mentally as she was in this sort of curse induced coma. So, God only knows what she was seeing what she was going through and as I was listening to the cameras. I started thinking about. They kind of sent her out there. Okay. So you know you as everyone else was I going off to you know carry loss takes body like I think they knew that she was out there finishing the job. For her. Like she was given that arm for nothing it wasn't just a drawing way. So you're saying that you think that they would like Yo go handle your Biz and due to. Do. This well in your spirit. I. No I don't think it was all I think her mother took her to the future. She went and met, and she was told excuse, my friends get the fuck up learn this do this. You'll have to handle your business. She was shot by the Amazons they brought her back and it D- What do you WanNa? Do she was like I'm taking it out. They were like. conference. That's conversation that I wanted to ask the. Avid. sweaty. night. So the episode she said the same thing and I told her I think that this is not even d from our universe. This isn't an alternative university. About what I think because I mean throughout the entire throughout the entire series, it's always been especially in the hippolyte a episode it's been hinted at they're like sixty million different Powell universities. So I think that something really fucked up happened in. The? Last seen in her universal, she came two hours to. Fix Something That's what I oh, that's all I'm going in my own brain. Just like I'm done snack like off nab little snap renegade dimension hopper. One thing it was apparent about the show from episode one especially with Tan was this idea of black female rage have always be caged and yes never right in for even be self cage Hannah Taco Bell. The dimension what she was going back to the match. Seeing the fire she was afraid of it and she realized there was a rage, her power. She realized it with something to hand down to her future generations and for them to use that as a responsibility they tell letty makes us this book on. Don't hide it like we did and her Hannah's rage and bottling it up, drove her to the point where she committed suicide. So to me with the past de read in a book in the back of Woody, and with the way that the been you know subjected to this heritage that Montross brought up during the funeral Bobo. If felt like. They were saying there's nothing wrong with this with a black rage and that not only is it empowering, but it can be the solution. So her taken out once Krisztina to me felt like the combination of the entire story one of saying this, there is power in this and this is not a bad thing and and also to adult, for mean, you have deis room a different generation and so. She was like Y'all this shit fly I will not I refuse because when her mother was talking about her name s Dr is. Detail somebody. Well, they know now so so so that Kinda planet something in her then let you notice she wouldn't like her mom and she was like I would use and it's one of those things where they left. Christina alive and she was like bitchy not you've got to die because if I don't kill you, I'm I'm going to have to deal with the repercussions you continuing to live the fifty percent they had to go carry I'm with you because, and that's how I felt I was just like why I want job. Whiting finish the job like it's kind of. Like the feeling always rises again. So it just made sense to me that she had come in. As a kid, you got to clean up after the adults but whatever. I of the people that didn't love it mainly because of eight day low options like Bahgat right here they some savage she's GonNa be looking at them eight you like that to me would have been equally lie she would have been powerful but it. Made Her have to go all the way and I feel like. Of. Course, the show is very much about her losing her initially, but also here are. Like. I don't know for me. I was like, yeah, this is cool. But like her thing that she does her like arm that we know of like she killed somebody like she doesn't make arch. The that like were apart who were like I'm going to be. The. Rate Limiting. Asked like. To me more like a laser stories. The have somebody else do it also I'm like. All the people should have definitely been lady like eating says they're like. Fresh. Like you just had a fight hurting not twenty minutes ago you. Know so to me, it was more like y'all just it once. In a way I don't ever want Derby Ladies Game. If that may seem like I feel like I'm a presented a pure. Hurston like she's never the one that really has to do the you know. Like even like would you like lettuce? Refining the. Not Prescription, Laura. I'm the fail. But like other people are doing things like why does she get to remain uncertain in the kid the child the youngest part in the first. One and a half to like clean about all of them. Okay Go ahead because I think you're GONNA ask the question I'm going to ask you I would also say well I, know I know where Christian has. But. I would say that I don't feel like letty is unsullied off. Thank you. Want to the good. I mean that's not. Her action is going. To herber when. She never has duping Admiral equally bad. I mean that's how I see her on a protect in that way. But that she never had to. Herself performance and? Let me ask you a question, the exorcism she exercises, and also when she was in the tomb doing the whole tomb raider swimming in the water grabbing a scroll, do you don't think that makes are part of the or? I mean that's a heroic right anybody. I mean. That's cool. I'm like you're here like. Oh. So you're saying things like outright killing. Like. The like. A lot of people as villain right a lot you re. Take the billion a lot of people read my. Anybody else has where they are very clear by play to fight. MVP? Machines really rarely put up. To have to light challenge that she's almost always like the boone. The good thing she's always the hero which is fine but there is like when they're a lot of other people around that, don't get that that same treatment than become the president of like why does she get why she had a couple of moments? He definitely has a couple of moments of being betrayed as bad where I see what our family. You know. The fact that she doesn't come home for laws funeral. She borrows money from a family. She doesn't pay back. She only shows up to be nice. The Ruby which she gets money from this white woman says, it's for mummers they heritage and Ruby Carl's out on it every time, which is like, Oh, you only nice to me when you need some. Never, you don't need something I mean that's in the script that's right there, and then mostly for me of the deal, she makes behind takes back in everyone's back with Christina and her the pages from Titus, book and get into market with mortality for herself Montross. McCall's are out on that. So I think she does have some dubious things that may not be as bad as other people but. Makes do this moral decisions throughout the ten episodes? Add onto what you just said. Rod she serve time. We don't know what she went through when she was in prison. and. I feel that if there is a season to, there's going to be a flashback flashback memory as to what she dope. And I think and it all goes back to Nicole what you were saying before and I and I totally feel you on that. She has not studied her hands but I think because the way they build her character, she can't afford to go into that dark place. Yeah because she's been. Everybody has been met Montrose tick. Everybody's going through some kind of craziness and she's the only one I feel like she's like she's the audience. He's the one thrown into this situation and just being like, how am I going to deal with this with the experiences that? So. That's my take on it. Those are valid points as everyone who's watching as we continue this discussion, you'll see polls pop up. We did for the poll ow about half you answered how do you feel about the ending? Most of you said, fantastic follow by a bunch of people saying that we need a second season. So continue on to share your thoughts in the chat room we will eventually ask someone to ask a few people ask them questions as we continue to talk. So we we talk about the ending. You know we talked about how he felt about the decisions that were made be talked about Lettie, but let's go into rubery Ruby real quick because I know that's another huge character. Well, see I don't even know about GonNa everquest. Okay. Let me ask this question. Do you and tell me why you think yes or now is Ruby did. That wasn't the question. No but that's the question I. Don't know. But we saw she wasn't dead. She can't wear her skin. If she's dead, she's gotTA BE COMATOSE STATE THEY'VE put. No, she's not. You know there's quite a bit of people who believe that she's dead and maybe that's just because they just listen to. You weren't attention Christina said and they ran with it but I think the reason why I'm bring that up is because I. Want that to be cleared up to everyone who listened to show everyone who's watching here in the Zoom I. think that's important to note that no to note that point Ruby is not dead. Does every- everyone in agreement on that? Yeah I think because all season functionally Colin William and bail dead. Even though they were technically comatose and being kept alive on in that basement by Christina I think that's why people was like, yes, she bed but I'm like first of all, they have the book now a second of all. We get the second season they gotta bring bae back man you can't have a second season with our ruby come on. Absolutely then I mean ask that question Rog gotta ask you gotta ask it. Does just put that out there and I've seen this reaction on a few different levels. But do you think that lovecraft country has a problem with? Darker stand LBJ GT Q. Characters. I guess if both of those two. Different questions? Okay. Well, let's start with the first one. Do you feel that lovecraft country at the problem with Darker Stand Terrace? Yes. I wrote I wrote. About it in. Narratives, It. There is one primary lyceum person tower cast, which is when you make that kind of casting choice. If still a decision like you like, Oh, one highly all browns in actors, but then you hire lycene actors in don't. Address factors she used bearskin most likely biracial like I know right her biracial. I mustn't. That we're offering in hard dead and following the law she probably one of these boat I ever you I have on theories went her white and his or her lightness play into the dynamic in some way shape or form in it never does. Anything like her relationship with Ruby is framed as like, Oh, you're planning like our mom like. Tastes after me when you're not possible but also clearly like rubies entire art about getting access to spaces that she can get she's a black woman. She's the darker heavier. One lady can probably go. Right but out before they even start hiring color. By walking and she's close enough right now she could probably get that job into muscle or this is clearly a really good thanks for this story lining don't touch it at all in then when asked about it Oh Yeah we know we. Talk. About Color Ethan but we didn't think it was important to the story and to me that's like. I mean I'm not life Gan but I'm not Super Garcia middle but I think by people to the point where like Oh. You're not pretty like this person because they're light right and I know that. It's not like you don't know it just felt like you didn't WanNa make your actress uncomfortable. Maybe by addressing a, you didn't really know how to. Approach it in a way that didn't feel like birth. Choosing life can't people think? Like choosing life people something in a and therefore, they completely ignored it but to me because the whole cast brown or theater darts. You could use analogies situations like you have letty in a fire. On right this whole house people either all Brown Darker are earning right Somebody, had had to have like the thought. Maybe, maybe not have the life women with the only person in his area survived the fire untouched like stuff like that, and because they don't think about the optics of it, it to me was like. Got worked over by strange taste. Oh, they are not. They are gonNA act like we don't realize that this. person. She was different. She would move about the road gift for leaving around here, freeze found and they don't address that at all the. That I definitely. Not. No Complexion she is young I. I definitely thought that that was something that was touch on because again like Nicole says he's literally the only like skin person. In the narrative and it's not necessarily to have to focus so hard on color color. Like if you're if you're talking about racism, you're talking about sexism. Racism plays a part into that going to be things that, but he's going to be able to have access to that other people will not be able to have access to there's GonNa be a dynamic. That could definitely for between living in Ruby because maybe she's treated differently for. Looking a certain way and it's it's no fault of ladies and you can't help. That you're Gordon. Right but I mean I. could I could have totally seen them taking it where maybe that that aspect of color is maybe let us have a different father from her brother sister and she's treated differently maybe family treat her differently and that could play a role to or whatever on top of lenny being a fighting person who's like her mom like you could do. and. I felt like they were really setting it up to possibly do both I thought maybe her dad was. Right, as you know, do like everybody else that's why this show and she could have had access to some certain powers something but they really didn't go anywhere with that and I mean again you've got one likes person and you've got these darker skinned people around them I felt like it would come up at least even if it's something that's you know comes up. You know back and forth a little bit I thought that it would at least come up at some point in time during the season. So real quick. I just I. Just WanNa come at because I spoke to Shannon Houston who wrote on the show but that's why I want to answer this question I'm not trying to anybody's wrong Nicole I agree with you I, agree with you I asked her point blank is was is is leading mixed ladies. Last is Louis her. Last name is Baptiste. The mother is the one that was friends with the voting precincts. Are They Haitian? Are They Krill? Is there an issue there because some? Instance of rape or something and she she said this was all acknowledged, but it wasn't like we put it on the page. We wanted everybody to see it at some of the horror and some of the tension that's in the show is about what we don't put on the page that was the answer that I got. So everything you're saying is right but I don't think they said it like, Oh, we're going to basically hype up only light skinned people should they ever trusted? Yes. Because I do think there's from me I wanted to know more about lettuce family as a whole. As a point that I was making I definitely don't think that they made it where lady was. Than everyone else will take everybody had their different roles and stuff to play but. To that a bit deeper because you could see that there's nothing more than just okay ladies her mom there's there's some layers there some levels to this and I would love to have up Africa's lead character I. Love Her as a character and I love Ruby as cared and I love him interactions feels. Every brother or sister is not gonNA have this. Wonderful relationship and I think that's something that a lot of people could relate to. But I would have loved to see the distinction that later just a bit more and I feel like color result could possibly played role in their nothing. But it it definitely would have been something that would. Been Open. To exploring Ben I mean our portion, you wanNA comment on this. I I agree with what everyone is saying and I also. Understand what Shannon and other writers say, and that's a big thing. Spree. Ryan is to show versus telling and I really thought that was brilliant that they how to handle tolerable in this show especially between leading Ruby and I think a lot of people weren't prepared for Ruby, because she was darker stand to one who was going to appeal to whiteness or to try to you know move in that world like that and I felt like you know 'cause people I think that people like we talked about no safe rope pod. We're just getting to the point where we're seeing characters that are multidimensional who looked like us, and so we're just getting there. So we're just seeing Khairpur that we're not going to always one hundred percent agree with or like or like, but I also disagree with idea to let he was more pure because letty not only does she gets shot like she says, I said she caused the exorcism which kills three white dude by her hands you know weather. She does it. She's also a hero and I really appreciated that like I get it. You know like there's idea to, and then when we okay if we talk about lifestyle and Dr Stan, I feel like people are just ignoring hip Elida. It's I and then we're getting into the like. What is starts Denver's what's what's Brownstone? What is this? What's that? And I'm like. It just does method that thing that I'll talk about lot. No matter what you do people are going to be mad and you can't appease everyone. There's only ten episodes and people are already saying this show is too heavy handed with its blackness. So a very fine line to walk, but we don't care about those people but indefinitely. Eighteen episodes though see hold on. I mean, that's budget. This was a ten episode season to cost a lot of money in ten episodes. And was well spent so and then you can't say you don't care about those people because that's also like that's understanding and that's something like I said, we're just getting to the point where we're having shows I love country people like me and you have seen the blackest of the white shows already. So we've already seen ourselves onscreen because we search it out and find it. But this is one of the first shows that is black from top to bottom black woman at top and let me tell you as a writer and a writer's room to hear about that. There are story editors that are black that they're upper levels that are black and are lower black. It's mind blown. Art You have that, and then it's A fantasy and covers racial history all these different things it includes. Characters from across every gender sexual orientation all that. So it's not going to be perfect but I feel we also have to be like Yo this shit right here instead of being like you know the first name we'll why didn't they do this? Why did they do that? What's ten episodes in? It can't do everything but God damn we'll see it did a lot you're and I WANNA I WANNA add onto which Is True I mean I used to work in animation I used sit in a lot of. Writers rooms. And it's. You you can't. There are whole entire bibles created for characters like. You know when you're talking about from the artists, are you talking about like an entire Bible just dedicated on characters getting up in the morning what they look like but you never see on the show so we're talking about like. Having all of this stuff and we have only one season to tell the story and I think that we're not giving. We're not giving the writers a chance to actually explore these carries more big about like this, we watch game of thrones. First season nine. And I think about it I. I'm I'm like divided I duNno. If tick or uncle George. Is the NED stark of lovecraft. Thinking I'm like we had characters and season won a game of thrones that we love and end up hating. At the end of the series and vice versa. See the the writers were able to do that and expand on these characters and but I, I think. This is a discussion. Karen I had. It's like how certain black scholes suffer because we don't we're not afforded the benefit of messing up and saying okay maybe this season wasn't good. Maybe we can expand next season. Usually we have to outperform every single show. In order to just get considered for another season. So to me, it's like as if people were in the writer's room like we got one chance to get this done, we don't know if we're going to be here next year. So. Let's put in everything that we could possibly put him this show and tell a good story. That's the reason why I as much. I had a little bit of problems the last episode here and there but I cut some slack because I know how production on that level goes right and you won't be able to fit all that stuff into one. Season I think we should definitely I think that the writers were smart enough to create everything that we're talking about and put it on the sideline. For a season to to expand on the characters, even more to make us fall in love with the characters even as much as we hate Montrose. We may love him next season. We don't know yet. You don't know what's in store so we got to. Know about that. I didn't. We don't get into the Montrose. I lovely I don't ask Jean. We love the character I just feel like you can. To me the conversation with. It doesn't have episode about color, but not the fact that we acknowledged that this there are a little thing that he does that are like. when she calls for the waiter everybody I know that. We don't just. Look like. By all, you had to do have a character somebody else nate like they named every single other. Macro Aggression microaggressions always know what it is. This is so they put everything indecen small into big big detail, right? So to me, you make a choice to omit is that it doesn't take much more in retaliate to acknowledging the age of like having they look at her. girlhood like. Why are you writing? Glad, you. There Ben Thank that is more subtle I. End. To, everyone's point we'll see your point Nicole you're saying you you hit every other topic why not make this more obvious or more overt, but they decided to be more covert with it but. My main thing is make a choice of what you can. To highlight you think of the poor and having that background to me I felt like. With key Kathy's Y'all had an opportunity to tell a compelling story using the fact that you have a lighter access to play today. That would have made. Her more. Because they're levels to it and the postage is one thing but I don't love late yesterday I really love lady but I still also felt like. The place where they could have done better by her in by but hurry ruby by addressing this kind of elephant in the room but I mean. Small You know that you. Wish were different and they would have liked to add and all of that stuff like that. But I definitely think. Overall because I really didn't get my marabout, the about this show, a raw overall I absolutely love the show was amazing takes journey from being this person who was a person who was into this escapement type thing where he was escaping into books running from his running from home joining the military and stuff somebody that's running straight ahead into these things are hundred find this book I'm going to tack to this magic. I'M GONNA, use it at flip this around and put it back on them so that we can uplift in grass my family are like with letting my favorite. With her was definitely when she was calling on the name of those ancestors. It her house one by one. And that was the thing that ran through the whole show is no calling of the name of SSD that was speaking directly to us like. Met A have a book of names. We may not have magic in the way that magic shows up in the show, but we have that power to be able to call on just to lead us to guide us to teach us for us to liberate them for us to be able to liberate ourselves. It was things like that immeasurable when it robs like I understand that had a wider appeal and of course, it's on HBO. You're trying to appeal to a wide audience, but there were so many elements that were just. For us and maybe it wasn't necessarily setup for everyone to understand right away or whatever and I love that because we don't we don't get a lot of that on mainstream media at Lisa whatever. So it was so awesome to be able to see them do that and the way they just blew the history like that was my favorite part about. I guess the season overall when I was doing some of my recaps and stuff is that I was like you know what? I don't WanNa do ready to reach recaps I, WanNa, take it and look at it and break down some of the historical things that happen here and see how okay this is how it played out in real life. This is how it played out lovecraft at this is how It went, and here's what I took from that. What we you know what we can learn from that, how we can see how things seem to be almost working a cyclical type nature or whatever. So you know I mean overall of course, you have I I don't think there's initially anybody watches whereas like I love everything that I saw up here. I mean maybe. I don't know. I mean, there was ways so much more to absolutely love your show been the things that I didn't like it I didn't like didn't supersede my need to support it and to you know to write it and to encourage people to watch it and understand the importance of seeing US leading a magical show. We're doing spells. We're you know we're we've got you know we got our lawsuit coming out at like defeating people whatever like we're a heroes of the story, we're the heroes of the story I feel the when it comes a black art, a Lotta Times black media. the criticism of the show becomes about what is not not what it was on me and we ask a subconsciously these things to be everything for the community like every type of experience, every type of issue and I weep but yet saint how we know is impossible, right? Yeah. We hold it to that unrealistic standard and we we don't do that for every day you need like you know watching and was the show I. Love. You know what I mean love down like people just loved it. You know what? I mean it wasn't like less. Okay but it was cop again. So you know it was like Nah This is a don't show. We get it. You know and I think maybe we kinda afford those people love is slack. It doesn't mean you can't critique it. It doesn't mean they can't better all that stuff but I, feel like when when the commentary becomes obsessed on like let's say just show eight out of ten we become possessed obsessed over the two that didn't get and not eight that it did and that's what it feels like summer critique whereas this like you know and I know online it kinda creates community around like we don't like this thing and then people kind of warm on that so maybe just outside. Online. But you know I feel like for the most part of you ask most people even those being pretty critical they will tell you it was good shows you know what I mean. So hopefully, we just don't get stuck on just why didn't like this thing? Yeah. Yeah and I that's really important to just like we talk about just from a personal perspective you WanNa give the full breadth and depth of humanity this full breadth and depth of of art. And as you said earlier, not you're not going to necessarily agree with everything that these characters do and say that being said you actually rod something. You said touched upon something I want to ask the group here about which is black history, which is also American history. There were tons of black history integrated throughout the series including obviously the story of Amatil as a friend of a and and that was very hard to I know. For, a lot of people very hard to watch and see that actually be shown on a show. I'm not even sure if they've really from a fictional perspective, I'm not even sure if that was ever shown in this way but what were your thoughts about the inclusion of people Emmett till and him be integrated fully into the story even grow quick nods like the nods bessie string fill the first African American woman to. Write her motorcycle across the country like what were your thoughts about the the black history that was injected throughout the story I absolutely loved it up from my perspective because like said I I and somebody where I'm going to be real is was brought up in an era where a lot of the black history a lot of these woken you woke need act like day-lewis as they was born I didn't know okay. In that group didn't nobody tell me a lot of Shit I learned I learned. Okay a lot of things I, learned I learned as an adult like a lot of the things. I should learn as a child I learned I know I'm not only when it took me to get older to realize that I'm not the only one and a lot of people forget the everybody was not woke with these credits able to quote this shit no, no, it, and so instead of. Being like Oh you know here's a reference. Here's something else instead of doing that. It's almost like what's wrong with you you know America is full of white supremacy sold the schooling. I got the same in the white people you guess what they want why people do to feel good. So they will meet a feel good. So I won't turn around and be like Oh y'all did something wrong. With this in the whole thing, there's something wrong with the system they don't want you to challenge the system. So for me, I absolutely love it. I was learning things that I did not know seeing things in the fictional woman that I had never seen before. So for me, it was gorgeous and it was. Beautiful. And I think that it allow people who knew things to share and for people who didn't like me to learn these things for the first time and challenge myself and go to Nepal Cazin go watch old movies and go you know Youtube and go acknowledging gold learn so bad win it's time to do things like boats we have a better understanding and what we say ignorance things online at about a lack of knowledge lack of understanding of what our Ancestors went through because this whole thing showed me are s with a whole lot like if you really want to boil it down to the roots of I with the whole lot. If you go back and you look people die just so I can have them the rights that I had. You know as some of these things still implemented today across the country s neil such thing is sundown cities Navesh they might not call it that but these things still exist. I just wanted to say. S hands because they had the heater, it was rain. I would. I would have been in that Colin I on help they will. Read it. He's you white tonight. Let's go. But. You know what's funny out. I'm really happy that they showed that really happy that they showed Tulsa before burn and really showed happy that they showed the women sisters that were out the holding it down because I think there's this really weird gap that's happening right now people like some weird Hashtag that was like not my ancestors and my gear and Adhd you're in eighty stupid because because your ancestors were hauling it down, you want to know why they can't tell you about it 'cause they died. Like. Dead so that you could be here. So that was and that was one of the things that I think it was great even with the Hannah concept you know Hannah living because she had that titus blood she didn't die because she's immortal. There was a whole bunch of stuff back her story despite wrapped up pretty well but like yeah, that the I love the What is it? The lovecraft country syllabus? Yes. That that website is amazing links than league those that syllabus. Yeah and here's the thing just like watchmen. The fact that we are doing this there are people talking about it. These conversations are happening the people sitting talking to their kids. That is good storytelling. When you you know us saying Oh, we hate, Montross, we eight different. Hate Michael K Williams actor. But the fact that he made us feel some kind of way like every episode was dammit Montrose. Like if the VAT of that's good acting that's good storytelling. Is it perfect? No, but that's good. The fact that we can have six or seven things and then go you know what? I didn't like this when I'm GonNa Watch this other one and it is a black written or black director or POC created show that week we keep yelling for having more stuff. There's nothing wrong with criticizing it I think what we're. Not Everybody has to like it. You can have both you can say I enjoyed it is a few things they didn't agree with but yeah, right there's nothing wrong with that that's selling out. Have to be at a critique but I just want say the last thing on it also feel like there's One like the beginning there is a lot of credit given to Jordan Peele and not giving the Michel Green and then when it is dipping to me, she green I've seen comparisons where people are like Jordan is just as perfection you know and everybody's trying to Jordan appeals done with this you know social commentary and fantasy black people but one Jordan Georgia's not the first. Let's not say Jordan his profession either you know the truth be told an and just like let everyone saying has its chance to grow like let you know this show. Do you know this is only the first season? Like no and no one's perfection, right? You know what I mean. It's like people say stuff like everyone's problematic and then someone does something like you problematic because you. Know all of us have a theme right if we made the show of ourselves, there'd be another group of nine negroes talking about it going. Let me tell you what's wrong with rise. the thing I liked about the black history strong throughout though we like to us made it like a running joke on the show like message you. Don't be a minute but I kind of like kind of enjoyed that because it was just like black forest gump, you know what I'm he was lights Oh and they haven't run into. Boeing. Thank. You about like I liked that God. It's like the kind of Nerd I, am is the kind of nerd mom. Travel but I also do love James Baldwin. So a it was for me Yeah, and I liked it they did some things that were very blatant. Of course you know you go through the hustle rates massacre Those Subir things. That people could pick up on stuff like even with letty and her house. It made me go back and start looking at stuff about redlining, and so I got a chance to have a whole conversation with a few people whatever and conversation with the other people just. About ran binding and the impact that it had. Black people as far as our our will and our future and how we were able to build generational wealth small things. They never actually said the word redlining in the episode, but you knew that's what it was and people didn't know that's what it was. You know definitely. Write about it. Talk about it and people getting a chance like like Kay said I. believe is you didn't know these things before now all the sudden you've got this opportunity to learn things. To, have access to information you didn't before. I. WanNa. Get Porsche chances because she had some words. And Yeah I just wanted to say that I appreciate it like for Bobo that they didn't have him like a one off thing goes a little worried about that. Initially, they had him the board seeing there like Ovo like Bobo you can enjoy your your somewhere down in Alabama or Mississippi, and they're like no, and that was all. Everyone figured out. That was Bobo that I was immature like. Are they going to sleep as they and I'm glad they actually showed how? Important. His funeral was the community. How like? It was like so attended it was like. Thousand people showing up for this went open casket because his mother money that way? They they were real about it and I'm glad about the. Other historical things that are kind of brought up through there and how like like Jaren was saying like I. I grew up in this out. So I know that like they didn't teach us they weren't trying to tell me any stories of my family they went and tried it like I would ask them like Oh have y'all. Are there any stories in our family where somebody got lynched or anything went down or an, and they wouldn't want to say they don't remember. Did. Remember was insane nothing. So I, had no idea what Madonna on in my community, my town before me had no idea. and. So I, think. Like shows like this, showing these components like. What happened to Im- until the whole story behind it, and also like you're saying redlining but also like white flight like that's what happens you. He was moving into neighborhoods by people were like, no, we don't WanNa live with a lackey both begun debt and. Kept. Dipping out, they live in cities, the cities. Now they come back all that stuff. We're still living it. We're still living good We're still living all the reputations of all the things that happened. That the show gave us avis they gave us a conversational piece. And it reminded me of like that and I think we've talked. Before about there's some things that I learned some of the stories and up because I H, we see you. So we got grounded in black history weights. I would not have done elsewhere and I'm glad the show is hoping is like tap into that because not everyone has an issue experienced where they have to learn all the black history. At like you a lot of this by learning tool I was at a how're university of but I I was in school it never was centered and Karen mentioned like. Other part like I really want people to stop pretending like they knew all this information before because it's not it's not really to generally recently that now's become a thing you have social media and you now are connected to people who have studied this for years and are able to educate you, and then of course, you starting to have shows like lovecraft and even as Rodman's mentioned a I called, you call you by your hand. Rochman. Robinson. Like Watchmen Tulsa like that is a huge one that I literally have no understanding that happened until I was in college. So you have all these years of being indoctrinated what American history is, and now you're finally given this this view of well this actually happened. is also weird to be like I'm tired of it already. We just got hit. We literally choose guy in how I'm not tired give it to put it in my vein. Yeah. Got one thing I do want to say is that The reason why I love this show so much that it has every element that I love you got. The cosmic Korir Sifi based in Jim. Crow South. In every aspect of that history is told very subtle through the narrative of the characters. So think about like in two in twenty twenty, we're living in now versus what people are going to see historically in about another forty or fifty years what we saw just three sixty just living in this environment what we're seeing is just a way of life to historians in the future this is going to they're going to have the same discussion that we're having now. And I think that's was very important to have. All of those things even taking. A concept like lovecraft. Now, we're talking about HP, lovecraft along with a lot of people from those times like Color Tesla and everything we're very heavily into Jenex that was an ideal in those times it was just like you're you're going to do genyk meeting we're going to go and sit down and talk about how out better we are genetically even everybody it was just those times. So it's like you take a concept like that, turn it on its head and have a narrative of. What HP love got didn't really create each. Cosmic horror he coined the phrase. Okay. But you taking the fear of the unknown from External Universal Force and telling that story under the guise of black folks. Ending. Laying in just laying in certain little things James Baldwin, you have a son Rob Gil Scott Heron you just this is how they lived back. Then it was just a thing it was just part of their lives and I think that's the most brilliant thing about the way they portrayed. The storytelling for the whole the whole series. Let me add HP lovecraft was above and beyond the racism of establishing fought that. Dude. and. It's also amazing and about pointed out now like when you type in lovecraft now into Google search lovecraft country becomes a first result. That alone is epic because it just instantly removed as do you know and lowered him because he doesn't even deserve half the credit that he even gets even coining the fucking phrase when it's based and of racism in just disgusting everything else I remember when the Black Guy who tells replace the Black Guy. That was A. Big Day I bet day. I feel you. I remember when my stood stop saying Dj I mean jail and that was a big day for me. I love to see. Off. Google search. And we have to understand that that's part of the that's purpose right like let's let's start for all these pieces of history that are being swept under the rug for for all of these people who really has been says shouldn't be having all that cloud and shit and you have that visibility less replace it with something. Better. Let's give you an alternative this so you. Can't interrogate who love lovecraft is what those stories were about but also interrogate your thoughts about what black people can be involved in what they the stories that we tell and and and the characters that are in there speaking of characters I have a question for all of you We say this on the safety go pat we ask each other all the time. WHO's more trash advocates Montrose George? Andrews sorry. I. When I was GONNA say that's a question. That's what my face. That's in house. Now, obviously, there are there are nuances to the different characters like, yes we know the backstory between Montrose in everything he's gone through when he's growing up same with adequate and George. But we've come to see that each of these men have their ways of Bringing a lot of trash into the lives of the people that they they. So call care about We see with atticus with the Jesus of the series the way that he treats Jia. Even the way he treats letty Montrose yes. He's been through lots of things, but the way that he treats Sammy for example is horrible and of course, George Roos, everybody's favourite. He was also if you watch the IM episode with Hip Elida, he was also responsible or in her eyes like she allowed her, she sees me he allowed her to to shrink if you will. So this is something we talk about and that's why Bartlett is something we talk about on on the pocket. jokey term, but we do talk about that. I don't even think that's Georgia's worst sin that is not that do son was getting abused and coming in his house every day will. Bake Daddy. That's Yeah I didn't WanNa go there and so thank you for bringing it up. Anyway, I can't pick. Part slide. Wet Right Right. Take go show up to the funeral and like a whole `nother family were gonNA he don't. George was dirty on the low man on. So hurt by these. And again I, want to be clear we we call him trash as a joke but yes, everyone's complex but pick murdering innocent nurses Trusting. George didn't like did hippolyte even know that take could possibly binge. We never got there. We never found out like do they share that with her? So Georgia's been sitting here this whole time looking her and her face when. She knows I. Wish she was. Back in real or. An all. Out. there. Yeah. We were staying there. Also she's been to Earth foraging fifty-seven. She now knows now I think he know like at their intuition that intuition even when he was in the house she was like I'm a need you even when he even before George died Tuesday I'm GonNa need to stop telling me What I'M GONNA do it my car like my husband is one thing but. Like I think she knew I think it was. Like. You know or at least favoritism. Yeah. I think she definitely suspected it. I think that when he died, she felt more like is one more thing are being lied to about in those very across my extra I think be she doubling she definitely harbored from. Not. Resume because obviously I loved it but like. She definitely had a sense of like. They was on myth over there, but you know what? I'm a Christian woman. Keep acute but I definitely felt like she. You know what I mean. Like. You know. Ellison Wonderful Zoo was like doing a similar the thing. On your mom got that fate you. Like our whole episode just maintain. Episode Ten would take was on the krause. Polite ain't seen press dog. Really. I'm up on. Checked out she's like whatever having me. Don't get run don't get much. Yeah. But also people in that fight though and that's why in the tunnel everybody else was like you know catching licks. Album. Like out if you've been to like four hundred thousand different universities, you go pick up a few things. Like This is land. Out on the ground and she's like get the fuck up like this guy. that. was. Is that. Is Is. that. Now. We all know. We all know that one episode. You know I am episode they had that little segment when she was explore exploring with Joe with George We all know that when there was a hostile alien who took care. This is facts. This is back and. I'm curious is is her just because she's chests on for those who? On brainiac level like she knows everything or almost everything now is that why she's like everyday is that why she was all very like Absolute. So yes yes. Because she had already told Dean I, know I left you know affect the. Back, you know you go. Feelings timing but. Sarah. Okay. If fifty minutes this matter. Because she knew that. She she get like the tangible to go like I know her I can lead August buttery going on here and I can go here. I. You know I wrote about this little petty races. Around planning to seven. Over the like I feel like. Once you've seen all the possibility like where this isn't just a place and I can lead this not all. People does not again seems to check out like remember my family. Happened the other night. I can also escaped from Yeah Yeah. I'm not. Nicole Nicole you're so close you should've said planet two, two, seven. Yes. And you know what? The the the running joke in. My theory 'cause like I said I have randy. Thank and there was a running joke on our show. People would have been mad at me because I'd have been like, fuck them act do what I want to why do I got to go back and do but racism? Sexism deal with this fucked up contract can be in about an hour. I WANNA be I. go anywhere I want WanNa, go. Why can't black women we in sometimes and be like you know what don? Nelson's bad you sound like I agree i. Don't have. Any okay. Daughter Donna's a tree right now. And just always schilling when she lives to group is wrong. On that band. Wreck. Okay I definitely was like. Having been more power voice. I like but like offline eleven hundred but also like. Like no, I definitely was on the same page I. think that would have been. This is not something that. In episode nowadays. I'm. Not. Sure make that they wouldn't. Like. You on another like no, I feel like that would have been. Making. You. Can. Be. Okay Would be interested in. DC, I was like all. She. S, she would. She's Right News. About Immaterial Don's She's Actually I'm really talking the way she describes it but yeah, I thought about now. I remember why she pop up so late Nah. Hey Tom Everybody doesn't. She said I WANNA be on stage she was on stage popped A. VOYEUR and learn how to be a lawyer. But when she said, I, WanNa be a mom. It was like August they went no. Awesome. Also. Ben when she was a warrior, she bouts right before everybody else got. Off. Parts like I. CAn't believe she disliked lev right would everybody. Bus needs we got this. Is. Strong? By can. Do and it's like, no it's the thing by hippolyte of being like choosing the she shows like I think this on line two times we see black women being mothers and we see them to pick it onscreen not sacrificing themselves for their children and I really enjoyed the fact that she got an own being her own person after being like in a marriage where her husband was like she was holding her back from doing what she wanted to do being. Like high to like having to watch over her daughter because her husband decided like traveling was more important than hard during which went to do so I really enjoy this. You had a moment where she could just like I. am one of my favorite episodes, the series because she really just got to be yourself and we don't really see a lot of like married middle-aged women lack women. especially it's be themselves for a minute like we barely see that until. But she was Kinda like me at a party light. She was just out right before it's time to clean up. Get One more I`Ma go see A. Concert get my daughter, right That would have been me. interrail want to go but I live with my best live out of been an. Dust Sign Off A new, you'd go back. Today and of course. Go. See we like thirty. August. Because He. picked. Could by the time? She went. Through. Our to say that I feel like a lot light see a lot of people agree with her with her whatever she had to do at the time but people are like you know just on poor ruby because once again ruby did not say I want to be white she's very clearly said I. WANT TO BE White Ruby. And Ruby was. Ruby just wanted power and wanted be uninterrupted and not stop and like I said this on the show fam come around to me and be like you ain't gotta deal racism Nomo. Shit like you know. Can I get that in read? Our question to ask everybody here in if if L. Christina whomever walked up to you said look grow or look Ma'am or whatever you WanNa go by do you want to not experienced racism anymore here's this posting will turn you to a white man or woman would you take it? If you give me the wrestler Magic to I mean mode interesting about this potion if you were in ruby shoes, would you have taken the potion? Bro. You know and even if I'll do hit it one time I. TAIN. Stopped me about nobody a no one but fail I just wanted know. WanNa live out their Eddie Murphy SNL it. Know but like she doesn't get to choose it first time for. The. White. Right right. Here to me. L.. Right. Though she didn't have I. Ever. Heard. Shield that will. Lead person. Threes. But. That's what it is like. We watched I. wouldn't do that like I. Already. Know this right now the question John. Job With it. But no. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA force you to be white the first time. I'm just saying. Yes. I'm taking it. Because they're they're gonNA take it. Okay. Because I mean, it's definitely I. Know I can. Be Myself but I'm not. Who I am okay. You'RE GONNA change back. In August change back in. Whatever? Slava off. That's obvious. Being food and I know I'm facts and I'm. Like I don't. I know. Any Pointed. That everybody WANNA turn white and go party like what is wrong with you I. said. No. No No. No. Medicine get all the stuff that we actually need. GotTa. Talk. Along. If I'd. Say I'M NOT Random Elbow. down. Three. I'm coming for like. Somebody for Jeff As. In my parents. House. Like. Hey. Okay Then I'm these say yes Nicole said. Yes. I believe you say, yes you taking the potion. If I can turn back. Yeah. Take it get some nozzle get back. Yeah. I'll do it tie regime you taking postal. Of course I'm. I'M GONNA I'm trying to get out there and be out there in the street. See when it's like to be you know see what it's like to be white. Alert around our checking from around the block. Get into some places I'll try to be talking about we ain't around I'm trying to be nosy you know so so so no one knows. I'll say I'll say. I'll say, yes and I'm GonNa tell you what? Will Happen I'll get Jason born and I will fuck up a Lotta other white people because I have access to a lot of ships will lead I would do a lot of damage and just take down as much as I can. And as soon as I'm on the run I, turn back into me. Anyway, because I'm me. This. Was a white man. I'm. Infiltrating the proud poise you. Deal. That'd be a great. I'm so. fucking everything. Now Way. We do have a dissenting opinion, and unfortunately we Europe but regime says, no, never never gene put it out I'm not sure it was going Michael put in the chat why you said no but but in meantime I absolutely would take that. Now what I told them I mean when we ask each other questions I, would turn to change to a white man. Because I feel like that is the pinnacle of White. Definitely a guy that's got his white women do what they say. They'll leave the men and. Women. But that was up Christina's. GotTa be William Because Hey listen to me. I got cars already they don't care. And when Ruby was Dale. They still put her in the back of that police car took that main and we're listening to damn thanks she was saying so you still have to live under patriarch pick the white man but. The White Man I think I'll. Go to the basketball court and just bought these niggers up. I think I'll get myself council because I I would probably be A. White Man conned everybody everybody nigger like he knows we all. Where you can't say this. Hour I will be Alabi. So confused. Okay. Re regime. Chad. As she said, no, because don't trust a gift from an oppressor. Period. We over here spending their money buying the phones and Shit I'll take the post through. boomlet again. I, mean I personally. HBO. which is. So Watch this show. ME. Produce by oppressive. Stands for white box office. Those stupid. I hope all of you all are enjoying ourselves. We really appreciate everyone. There polls going on my Grad. You broke check. You stupid. I WANNA ask all of you. What are your thoughts between the relationship between advocates and letty because? A lot of people like they especially for them to now be pregnant it's just like. They didn't start on the most solid of terms. You. Know what? The low key I mean take is gone. You know what I'm saying he was he was a Hobo Sexual. You know what I'm saying my man was bro on the out no job left army stayed in the crib I mean maybe the deal was good I'm assuming I guess had matched up before the iphone was advantage. So maybe they was doing things but I mean he had a lot of problems but I think overall leaving her with a you know a more healthier Montreal's magnetic. Book like hopefully, she and a better place to be able to raise doors you know saying. Dr Hodgkin's in chat will remember letty was broke too. Oh. Yeah. She got that White Woman that gift from the oppressive and a house so Yeah I. I was one of the things. I was like I. I know doing I didn't hear about it. Looks like they gonNa do it but I I'm not invested in it so. Now look yards is to make a dramatic Renault reasons. I don't know for me. I would've I would've loved to have seen. What happened you provide the G.. Gentlemen are feeling hurt bill are very seal bear and like. To have to navigate between in the I don't think. Martin all Martin. The way that he could like minutes that situation. But yeah, I, just felt like it was one of the things that like I could live without but I also do I wasn't against it but I, do also feel like in a way they kind of like. Undying love real wake fast I think it's like a year. Take time but like if feels very much like, okay, you know cash or whatever. A Lo- him. You know I'd grow. Our Moles. Tech. Take it down. You A lot right now for this man and he's Lewis. Not Seven minutes ago obscene seen. Like y'all love. y'All in your lungs other more so than. Being that like I didn't have a lot of time to. Time on. New. Day. Knew we knew they? Rejected it yet he probably GonNa die but but what did you think about then atticus and then? I mean the two. That I would preferred. So Tom on our show them I to me. Like it would have been a more dynamic. Like relationship a lot I felt I him in a lead were just more obvious kind of like. Of course, you're in the situation, you're gonNA bond, right like minimum fall in love. 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I'll make a good moved out of state you to kill me. Only office people. Do. Around the block. List. Have, five. This is. At the same time a monster. Mitch that and I. Think about the human consciousness in the way it goes it's one thing to understand the darkness of the human soul. It's another thing to see a thing that you don't understand and tentacles are coming out of Regina. It's not. Shocking over China I mean. Allow. You. You Bro. I. I just don't like relationship. With it I'm sorry. define. GAAP FINE BUT NOT Like she has. No Way. A lot more than. He sees himself. Lining at work. Many like. When he shows himself like oh Violent, you say that he is by yes. Where g off the battlefield greenwich she came out with a little different. Gohmert. Also wait wait. You Dead I. Don't understand what we'll have conversation G. is dead that is a Cuneo, the Was Learning how to Woodley? Human. Being in a relationship. Let me say this though have you ever had any you know told you the future after you got up in it. Art Yard. And in the sites. You're I mean to me. Being. Literal market being a community. By. Motion. They are nevertheless right. People have relationships that they are not in low or that they don't. They're not real billion dollar Guantanamo garlic. That's not good for. The people do it. Right. On the races. Towers you bet on the races around. Telling me the future so I'd like a word. Stock somebody do this do that off? Her. Down I get all the money. He called like the. Owners. Like. Know what to call but the money on. I. Don't. Collect call question we had each other asked each other on our podcast I'll come. OUTTA call Jia picked up like there's no cellphones was she says she everytime. nonsmoking I. Don't know how known. Known as the ones where she picked up, he might have made Colin Edgar Day. Fan, I was you go so. You. came. Into I'm no my phone. Oh. No. No. What I like to call the time conundrum. You know the same thing that was in game of thrones. I'm about to travel. there. Re hundred some odd miles and the like twenty minutes. Yes. Plus you know what she had to wait for her mom to Docu Paul was checking the phone all the time. committed. Wishes the also like. Can Build a night when he had fulfilled. Like daytime she just up, you know making money off your tea or whatever at the time. So it's not like he's told her way in art time. It. Has All the details of this is life I'll just. Right now. That's what you get in the morning. This is making a coffee she was having a pastry. No. Rain our belly on the bed be kicked up in air. We did out. We did ask everyone listening watching who is the worst in terms of all the characters mainly most the characters and Montrose wins by and low fifty, two percent of the vote. What is Problem Montrose wait did you say worst of? The black people. Of all, we didn't include. Christina come on vk. Name. We know the mainly. Yes. No Montrose. Fifty two percent followed by George then advocates and then a small sliver for Ruby. Wish problem with Montross. Actually like not like wrong word I actually. Feel defensive of Montrose. Montrose. He's I was horrible like we also literally. As never had not. At amount from. Tulsa person dying dying is happening extract back back on top of the fact that he was abused by his father like he has never had we not here. But people don't want to go to therapy now, all the tools he was not even thinking about that. He was repressed by. Odd It's like so many levels if people act like. I mean. We lose our minds over like normal everyday and you think about how that affects your behavior. Like how irritable you get over something small now multiply that by like all of that. How are you say anything he always on the thousand almost Napa like you go now. That's just how are. People don't. Get enough. Like they don't give him another great knowing how from. Now. That is not an skills because I mean everybody that am so. Has, trauma, and then of course, him majority came from. Jersey. They came from the same place Nathan at the same seasons but. That also affects. The way he does. All the doors on top of being. So verily more. Being by father quite be more. It seems like they make it very clear. He most part in Guinea like one hundred percent of the time. George maybe every. So often really really bad. The. Does everyone think that just macho? It's got a bad rap. Oh No. I. Know. All three. Levels cash the levels of trash. That whole concept and carry them said this on your podcast her people hurt people. Yes. But one of the first of all, he is a brilliant actor because right before every time he would say something terrible will raise his hand to hurt somebody. He always had this look especially with tick. He always look pain on his face like so scared for you. But the only way I can express that is through physical pain or saying CEPA terrible or doing something terrible and at the end. Of the day he felt that he was trying to protect his family even though he was jacked up about it, the man was drinking gasoline like he was a mess but at so he was never nine times. What's going on in his head was never really revealed that does that make what he did good and it doesn't make him. So my thing is I can say mantra is the most. Of lacquers the most terrible person in the of the characters and still think that Michael K Williams had gave an amazing performance. But the problem is where does that trauma end even with the everybody had problems with him saying the D. should be at the funeral I'm sorry not. Know that that that she should be at the funeral people like, Oh, no, she shouldn't. It's too much for kid at that time, and this still happens to this day. I'm a beat this into you. So you understand what you're GONNA have to go through when you go out there. So so when does the cycle stop or should it? Should it just change in different way because out there is still going to beat them worse. So He is a tragic character. Yes but that doesn't mean the stuff that he did should be excuse Ya think oh Yeah you like gay, prints, Newco, you know what I mean to me 'cause like he clearly, how dare you insult Zuko like that online how? Effective. Way. To the end and we look back like we never hated that do I never hated? All right. Every a lot of people hated to go first season. Didn't happen second season. I would Montross they have a way they can go at this or that by the end because they examined his pain is motivation why the trauma he experienced and he did all this because he had this idea of being a man and and having a son and he lost his son and like the the the way that he was overtakes body as he's trying to bring them back to life edge like Bro, not happening like there's lessons learned there, and then the letter that take reason that simply says you have a second chance to be. because. John with me. So. Whole like Nah. My main point that I didn't like I was like I never trying to bring every diction mantras and like you didn't earn any redemption like he's gone through things and I understand I understand that but he kills give him a who like did nothing like that like he why you didn't even get held accountable for by anybody else like like. When it? them up or whatever, and then that was like the end of it. No one brought him up later no one even said anything about killing somebody like in cold blood, not even like they were self defense or anything literally. And then whenever take out of nowhere is happy to sell. Montrose like you can be the like. My Dad wasn't a knee he. Could it be the father to you big like he had the option to like I don't like I've talked to different people who've had a visa version of the parents and if you choose to be different than your parents to be different than your parents, don't do that same thing again, people get caught psycho but you he had a chance to not be that person to be the father he wanted to be I don't see him like, yeah. His grandfather's into different buddy grandkid. But I don't like we'll let ethos as having her a little kid around Montrose like are you trying to tell you that she has some heat mantras kids life like what does that even mean? Babysit that baby before I will let my. Around like even. If, you stop the season in season one, we never get a season two just Fox hookah forever. But I think if this continues to have does and his character continues to stick around there is an opportunity for redemption. There's opportunity to see him sacrifice and see 'em chain and this to me felt like the beginning of a chance for him giants not a redemption I was saying he's Rian redeemed just that there's an opportunity here if they choose to take it. I just want to launch. Sorry. Porsche said, it was Yeah I think the problem that I had with Montrose is the fact that he had many opportunities to make amends by. You'll do I. I have been trash to everybody or minute but I'm GONNA. Make amends especially that scene I can't remember the the number of the episode where he was at a party. And he had that moment he had that moment where he was actually happy for a second and he actually embraced who he was and then the next morning what does he do? He goes and treats dude like trash and I'm like I've Sammy. Yes. Thank you. I'm like, do you have an and that is one example of many of the ways that he had a chance to redeem himself and make amends and he just never took it. In fact, every decision he made because of the person that he had to hide in the trauma that he had he made the opposite decision. He made the everything is okay I'm GonNa do this affect my son but I'm GonNa go and hit go ahead and kill a of the two spirit girl and I'm laying any and I'm like come on man what are you doing? So it's like. That was the thing that really got me about that character but. Those kind of characters are the characters that you in real life. You're always going to have those people and that's what made him. Like. Part of the story an important part of the story in my opinion says adult as what is I don't agree with everything that he does. He is an interesting part of the story that needs to be there. Hit internal logic makes him in his back and I wouldn't do it I like I'm not. But like I can see how he got the bill. Although, I can see where he's coming forever. That's a really important thing about the NFL I'm like. I wouldn't do it. We wouldn't do we have fence and like also are healthy people for the most part. So like obviously, but I can also very easy like in his mind how this week. So that's why I think I have so much like. Like a little bit of softness for him, but I also don't. Like take but yeah, you could get about. Macho. Let. Macho. that. Are Not doing back night. As a theme, I like idea. He has unpack something. Yeah. Maybe when the child is old enough to. Like. No you're not the formative years on Mahathir he you don't have to have supervise the. Many Z. here. Aren't as you get out of pocket no, it's not happening. But yeah, I still love them. But I also like I'm a horrible I don't WanNa like make. Behavior but also understand where he's coming from another thousand. One of the really strong point. that. They made clear. Really anybody. Like motivations are clear. Their actions are like ridiculous. So we're coming down we're winding down rather and and coming down to the last few minutes of this zoom. Do want to give a chance to everybody watching to ask your questions You have a question for a particular person on this quote panel or just have a general question. You want to ask everyone maybe it's something you want more clarity on you can actually ask it in the chat you wanNA use the text or if you want to actually say it does raise. Your hand or should be a handwriting option in the chat box I believe in the box but you can use that, and then we'll be able to pick on you and and do it that way that being said, I just want to ask while everyone everyone while the audience is getting their questions together I want to ask the panel just what are your views for what's going to happen going forward if there is in fact, this season to what would you like to see? Our like to see the ghost, of Hema. A hot the fuck out. Of Montrose. That he must have have actually been actually immortal for like not actually die. They like we find out like three minutes later. And it was like chilling I, see that and seeing. The NCAA at at a spirit lady supposed to be opening see spirit of athletic was bringing through her own spirits and he showed up and was able to put them in the fight along with the Koneohe you gotTa Korean. You've got a first nations. You Got Black people all fighting this white woman that that's what that was the missed opportunity for me in the finale. That's why was I bring do right by your Hema and let her just let them sorry hot the crap out of Montrose and let let me be the one speak through. Wow Gee while D is off doing her moon girl and devil dinosaur thing right I should do it if they're gonNA. Come Back I. Feel like they should modernize thoroughly Navy to eighty like we're still in the world we're right have magic and I wanted to know what that looks like. We're we're might have you. Don't have magic wand not just. A are active. Actively, because at the moment as far as we know. Only that know that way. Yes. The. How does that look? We have you get that message out or how do you like share that? You. Share. So you are you now hoarding it for yourself and other people are like greasy fog y'all make unity and I think having enough time like a big jump into the future where they have established that we don't have to like watch the. You don't WanNa Watch a series of them just like going to community we have. Also. Why people still possess these books shit I, want them to go take our shit back. You know what I mean I wanna see how they can subvert US history because we know how is returned out. How would it be different if we were empowered? How would it be different like when he said he went to the future and why people with rising and I was like, yes, I made. A if you come to the future from their view of present day before you're right but I mean man, but I'm also curious if you're talking about like this interesting point, you bring up right because you said that, oh, well, now that you have the power, you could potentially prevent certain things from happening or makes better. But Britain then hippolyte the time cop because she was very clear when they went back to Tulsa not to change a thing. So do you think she will allow them to then knowing that she knows that she will allow them to start changing history I? Think. So because she said not to change anything that would stop them from saving V. You can't change polls and then y'all don't exist when you come back on this damn. Eat on exist. So after that may help, we try to everything white man who? Definitely I feel like. Because like E has a robot army bit. Blog. US. You cannot. Try to figure out how they got him in the basement. Whatever they're not going. Out Now because you know why? Because I think I think I think he got a hold of Admin Black Whistle that Christina? Had An everybody doesn't remember I just like I know got caught up and did not justly would've liked. Action off like a tree in the backyard been feeding like steaks and Shit. On it order. New. Yeah I want to teach. They started doing things may change but not a number. We don't have a seat but yeah, like I definitely think you have a lot of. The are gone I. Don't think they say. I. Want. I Want Ruby to be alive all of them come together like the of injure cast for Chris Pratt got hurt and save blackman we need her in this uniform I mean yeah I think they. Again all that would be. If they jump ahead, you would get all those curtains but at different points in your life. AM I. Those of I still look at that thing. Thank you. Thank. You know by looking good everybody's by. Negative. Eighty but yeah, I got. You know we don't have it doesn't have to be slain. Stop is Iq. Sticking out. Gets the point where they can talk and we wouldn't even have to know saying. Away. Who Own? But I'm telling you right right after my beautiful dark twisted fantasy. Thank you. Not. Good. Yeah I just wanted to be far nothing if you. EAT tangible changes for like so far. That they have to make off the universities like Ozzy GonNa know is not. What it in rams like an eighty like feel fluid. What what about what, what about that but Yeah I think they should. If they're coming back, it should be abuser like a little bit further to the future not like a media picking up Then I think they should. If they can I mean it can bring back. Can cast a phenomenon like I have no idea say nothing bad about the Rena ever. Heard fashioned date we don't imagine going back. I'm sure there's another white person somewhere you must have one. You don't Christina against you. Don't need. Yeah I. What we're like is bad black people that get Majid. Thinking our I. Feel like it's a chance and you got the he'll vote. Other reasons whether she'll be but there are other lodges I don't. There's no reason why there isn't a whole group of I would love it if somebody world up from. From Africa that like Y'all doing it wrong right now if You're not how this works. We got makes us do this I wanted lying I'm sorry. Go ahead. Ask The question. Oh, I would love to see like chromosomal earlier about like the. Buddhu and like seeing more like okay. So y'all got the book. That's the White Man's magic. Let me tell you how this black magic's actually stronger in. In by the wrong game, this y'all have the wrong playbook on your hands. Let's do that. We can start black magic schools like HP, hbu Hawk Or. I'm here for that I wanna all. I want I want to see the wizard Doug like? You got. Wisdom. Thug it we will be so good acquitted. Daytona. Okay. I want to get some of these audience questions. Kiara raised their hand I'm GonNa them are asked them to when when you're ready, you can ask your question. I. Army yes. Well, thank you so much for doing this. This is really good. I've been loving all the discussions and stuff that we've been having listening safe Negro Pau Gasol and black tips has been really great. All of you guys just this whole community thing that we get to geek out and earn on So in our last minute discussion, you guys Kinda answered my question I guess, I'll ask general. So everyone in the Chattan, stuff can answer 'cause I'm curious about your thoughts It's kind of a two part question. So do you think this is the last that we have seen of Christina just ask is because our member in? The scene where Emadeddin they had the funeral that tick gave her that key to the the magic time machine or whatever Do you think that's the last we've seen of her if she had a backup plan and if no, who do you think the the antagonise would be season to Actually very crews. Watching. I, definitely think I definitely. Gone because, just like her father, she had to remove the immortality spell and orange become or renuzit remove the spell in order to get become immortal. So. The ring off took all that. So when that question, which is not the next it was that was when she came back to the doubles APP, she's like there's literally no way you can regenerate if you don't have a head. So I. I actually did WANNA in S M answer your question but I'm going to go back to something that forces said before about like you know different versions of like black magic or not black magic but like uh black folks are magic. And various African cultures. Various. Caribbean cultures and everything else. Personally I'm interested in seeing what the next next big bad is going to be in season two or going forward because if they're they bought the shot off, which is a legendary lovecraft in creature, the originally call the thing with a thousand nine. So I WANNA. See. More elder gods and their magic versus hours bats would I would love to see. Yeah I WANNA see I wanna see something like you know could do versus Voodoo like that. That's my that's what I think should be the tunnel the first first episode. Exactly. That's what I wanna see I wanNA want more. I want to see. It in this season, it felt like they took on aspects of lovecraft and turn it on its head. I WANNA see US dismantle those elements of his entire cosmic horror universe. That will be doubt. So abby fire. I love. Ruby to wake up in the first day. She say like I see you on light-skinned time ready and then. Everything everything for circle is over. Let's go. I WANNA. See I just on the magic thought to also want to see With Like by magic I, WanNa see more stuff about like the ancestors, a type thing earlier Pelicans insatiable magic big thing with black people and I want to see like is going to like because for me that this is one thing sticking with me and let me being pregnant for me. Being pregnant was a sore point in order for her to have some a tie into the magic that his family had which annoyed me I was like I think this is just for her to be able to tap into it and rose ancestors that So I would love a bloody had instead been a character who she got in touched with the the woman that her mother who knew she start learning that magic and she tick headed off into the show with both ticks magic and blue, and they work that out So I wanna see like going forward. Are we going to see that woman again? Like are we going to see? Different calling the ancestors in how they interact with each other like how does ticks ancestors? who had that of names What is the ordered Adam or whatever? Or says. For now con. Con that she came back with because they just kind of showed up but fearless skin she can talk and then they left it episode to wait right what envy. where. Did it go? Yeah. Really. Thought. Lady on we that her she's going to be Mitt the her. Dad was going to be like magical now going to be. Like my mom my mom crazy. You'll. Find. Right. To me I thought that was like no way they were gonNA go today was. Not, mysterious body, but I felt like. They other her a lot like. Like me the other her other like in his. Relation, but I to me felt like it was just an opportunity for them. They're so if but we do see what? He I in my mind he's the famed different Samuel they will raise they vogue on her die whatever we like seeing somebody navy perhaps a little more. Like we're racism. I feel link. When I like that was his whole magical focus right like. Even Samuel like I, just want to escape. Like another element of magic utilize like I'm raising my wife. I don't hear enough about leading. We'll be using a magic against people and I thought that would anything for related to like a guy. Who is her hair key? Apple they talk about her being not. All the way independent. Whenever they don't really do nothing without by the. Here. Fail she gonNA find out. She got worse. Are you know more than them like I really thought they were going to use that so I like to. types magic, and then like she would not have written way, sue might have a different type of. CARE. Would make harping resurrected would make a lot of sense. Also, if she did have that power, they did bring that up and season within find out that her father is not just a any might not be you might not be white maybe they might not be also mixed maybe he's also a lot or something like that, and he is or or creole. He's got a bunch of things going on and he's from a line of freeze. He's like why is it? You can't carry it like eighteen eighteen dead people why did you do that you? Or. Even think about like how powerful the ladies Mom's friend came through into the same audie think about how powerful her magic was to the point where? Episodes. When that when that once a cop came through the cop that was dealing with the order could get through the door. That was her. Again this is just me being gone. I WANNA see more of them like showing that like the. First season is. Right the White, which is you everywhere every A. On the white people so that the life. Even the different types of magic invite news in dia for interests as floor GonNa want them to not have a right. An agonising I wanted to be monitored and other by using one to. A full blown world definitely right like I wanted to. You, know again who there was a different thing That always invoke in light. If always treated buried singularly like a very specific way. But if whole on religious practice and it has its own like it's not, it's not bad. It's not even. That way. So how every type of magic to explore and like. The tool but like. The characters would be what make it like no I love. Do I low key do of like a Black Person Down Like I. Love. Like. Just cast Tom. Buy A big bad. It's easier to I. GOTTA. Say. White House barely man. What about black magic for black men only you know You Don? Filling, I won't it. Okay My magic from? Egypt. Less duties. ACTU-. All right. Now, beginning just one last question from the audience before we wrap this one comes from quiet storm born they right have you heard the idea where in the second season advocates wakes up on the bus and it was all a dream no notice turbo. Sorry I haven't heard it but I've heard. I saw like Dj. been a me whenever I have a bad AKA. Hell? No. No. No No that's that's like. They didn't. And that's I wanted to worse now known as one of the worst cop outs in history on television. Now do that because you've done all these and you can't just invalidate all that. I. Do. When it's a real traumatic real life events like That like. Tulsa and then. WHY WOULD I? Like. To meet. Stream. Boy, there's if we. I'm okay ideal. Where like if not being reality, you are now living. The whole entire. That's boring. You say. It didn't happen. This just want to see Jonathan majoring in t t-shirts again. Yeah s mediums. By. That you know what I came. Yeah I get it. Yeah. JUST WANNA standing. Power you just want to see him stand there naked and cry that's what you. Buy Everything. I have no PROB-. Oh, something I know we get ready to go something I would like to do and I don't know if anybody would do this with them to just turn everybody black. So to the white people have to be out, of course. So did you can pinpoint them out when they start eating? Spicy. Crazy what are you catch? Milk. That May. News Larry Larry. As. All Man. We this was fantastic. I just want to thank everyone for joining us and thank you so much of the panel here we had a blast. Before we go I want to give everyone a chance to just share where everyone can find you or you know a site or or wherever you are whatever you WANNA say WanNa plug police say I want to start with regime since regimes Mike wasn't working earlier. It's over in now. Yes, ma'am. Yes. 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The Baldies 2020 - Ceremony

Bald Movies

1:07:30 hr | 3 months ago

The Baldies 2020 - Ceremony

"Yeah welcome to the highlight of everyone's award show calendar. It's time for the twenty twenty bald move awards aka the ball. Baldi's it's fake award show where the categories are made up and places. Don't matter when our only saving graces we seven fucked up. As bad as warren beatty and faye dunaway did Couple years back when they fucked up. la la land. And what wasn't the moon with moonlight. Yeah it's always tough to get channing. Tatum off stage. Yeah but we're here to celebrate everything that was good about twenty twenty which we'll take about three minutes and then we'll we'll see see again for twenty twenty one. Hopefully it'll be better now where we've got. You know we. There was some good stuff to happen in two thousand twenty. There is some disappointments. There is some or some lows We're going to be reviewing them all today as the ball. These there is a juvenile thoughts on. Who's going to win. Best drama best actor Best movie commissioned podcast listeners. Twice awards for a lot of these categories. There's even a choice award me. Jim don't even know anything about it. Stuff the envelope. I don't know who it's for best ball moment. Because how the hell what are we going to know So without further ado. I think it's time i mean we're not we're not one of these shows is going to do a big song and dance numbers tap dancing no pyrotechnics man. I called konya. He said he was afraid to do it. He said he was waiting on discord. Yeah now we don't need that bullshit here piece that He he heard already say we're not gonna do and he. He's already peeled out parking lot. So all right. Let's get right to the content. shall i'll before we do. I will say that we did a little bit of excitement building Leading up to the ball. Because you know this is coming out. Her sleepy season sometimes catches people by surprise but for last few months. you know this is a big milestone. We've had five baldy under our belt as their sixth annual. We thought it'd be cool to re release The best bald movies. Because you know it's been four or five years since some of these came out a lot of people haven't heard them They were all behind paywall. At least a spoiler versions of these reviews were We release them in the order of what we thought the best movie was and also there is a meta Crowning mega ball the winner of the prix from the previous five winners of the best actor male and female categories the best movie the best drama And if you want to hear the results of these mega baldy winners. All you gotta do go to the ball move prestige feed and look for the re releases of dunkirk. A beautiful day neighborhood annihilation and arrival. And it's us talking about those those categories so slight spoilers. It's the leftover is always the leftovers leftovers. Clean up mega all the platinum to. You're not here not here about the leftovers. Yeah yeah so anyway. Yeah check those out. Those mega ball the winners over and a move prestige category. But let's get to it first up. Jim the best documentary. We didn't watch a lot of documentaries. This year strom however the ones we did. I thought were influential. Put smiles on. Our faces taught me a few things made me nostalgic. Would you like to announce the the nominees for best documentary. Twenty twenty of course no particular order and i will say that most of these categories have five nominees. We had so few documentaries fact that this only has four in no particular order they are the last dance. Millions the holiday movies that made us Including both the alpha number nightmare before christmas episodes and chaos on the bridge right and i have since we are separated by pandemic and miles of physical space. I have in my possession all of the coveted golden bald movie. Baldi's golden ball these envelopes. Right here in mahan. I've been unable to these. So i can't vouch for any of their authenticity is will see what iran could come up with in the privacy of his own home rinsing open. Best documentary of twenty twenty. La la land was some of these might be still labeled twenty eighteen. I dunno to twenty bald move award for best documentary the last dance. Espn each yeah. Hbo kind of collaboration way back from the old bill simmons deal. I think this is one of the studio deals. It's the tale of Michael jordan and his last attempt to get a double three peat with the The chicago bulls. And it's about michael jordan about two bulls jackson scotty pippen. It's great coming in second. Cast on the bridge close second. This is a great documentary about the making of the first three seasons of star trek the next generation. And if you've ever wondered why the first two seasons dumpster fires in a magically everything got better and season three holy shit. Have i got a documentary for you. And he wants the whole thing for free on youtube so check it out to narrated by william shatner the chat then we got millions and the holiday movies have made us mostly alf. I'm gonna. i'm not gonna lie that night before. Christmas was kind of kind of shitty. So it's in the books it's in the books it's gone Last documented congratulations mike. You know what we had to put him number one because if not old boy he'd take a real personal he's those challenges to one on one intimacy individually and it would be a bad scene. Yeah whether it's a fistfight pickup basketball poker. He really would would would. Slaughter is occur across a lot of challenges. Podcast just bring down. Bald move ball could be called. Baller move baller moves. Yeah and yeah it would. All you gotta do is get the name and posted on itunes you. Brian make one episode and you will have more downloads on weird historically so gopher michael i dare you fucking double dog dare you. You know twenty twenty kind of a consensus shit whole year. Does every year. You needed some laughs. Boy twenty twenty year and we walked to recognize twenty. Twenty s. best comedies am nomininee's of which in no particular order harley quinn season to vodka do in the shadows season to the great on hulu season. One beau. jack horsemen's finale season. They split that up and did a weird you know. Half season here and there are net flicks But it's the final finale. One and rick. And morty season four be eligible because again. It's it's the new hotness. That's the old hotness splitting up seasons and movies and put them in different financial quarters so yeah it's time to find out who took home the gold for comedy again. I'm going to draw the envelope and see best comedy. Rip it open and here we go here. We go two thousand eighteen bald move award winner for best tv comedy and listener choice awards for bald. Move side what we do in the shadow season to the winner of the best. The best tv comedy -gratulations what we do in the shadows boy. We have been hurt. We've heard for so long. We need to get on this show. And i've always heard that the movie is really good and i decided the main line that all i watched both both seasons and in the movie jim watched the movie in both seasons. Straight year. for vampire comedy. What can you say following with rick. And morty at number two harley quinn. Check that on hbo if you want to really get adult cartoon that's funny jack horsemen at number four and then this the great season one and number five. Would you like to know the community winners absolutely shits creek number one the listeners to give it up shits creek nineteen percent of the vote. We had hundreds of people respond in this final bald move survey nineteen percent shits creek then sixteen percent. What we do in the shadows. We're we're pretty simpatico with the listeners. Ted lasso aso. Maybe loving this year and also tacoma fourteen percent of the listener choice vote followed by eight percent. Dave the fuck is dave dave stuff. I don't know. I love this award. Show this short. The fuck is this show. Yeah you know. I'm telling you a lot of old actors and directors and stuff. They don't know what the fuck are talking about two. But they pretend they're reading off a panella prosper and upload six percent. I heard upload as d. was decent you watch an episode gameshows right now my flavor but sure it is now in the books and that's it s comedy twenty twenty. Thanks for making us laugh. Everybody know yeah moving on to the biggest disappointment. Do you want explain this. Category and then a rundown our our nominees. Yeah i mean biggest. Point is kind of exactly what it sounds like. It's things that we were hyped. For this year we either saw trailer for or we had known the property already into stuff that had a lot of hype around it that we were excited to engage in. Because he's all movies or tv shows And turned out the you know. They didn't live up to their potential. The hype that we created in our own minds. So let's go ahead renowned the nominees in no particular order. We've got explain some of these as we go to like who they are and what they are and all that kind of stuff run which is on donald gleason and meredith. Weaver a some merit merit weaver. Whatever like i said what the fuck is dave who the fuck is. I don't know much about this. I think you were more hype for this. I was super high because as a big merit. Weaver fan And it looked like a really fun kind of sexy rahm come and maybe turned into that but the first three episodes turn me off and i was. I was disappoint. i didn't come back to so Also losing sesame this year big disappointment Hired hired our first employee and fighter first employee not in the same calendar year. Thank god that's ridiculous but in the same kind of like annualized year and it was. It was great that great Speaking of annualized years twenty twenty is one of the biggest disappointments as year. Not not a movie or tv. Show just the fucking year. Yup another year cyberpunk twenty seventy seven biggest one of the biggest disappointments this year. And then finally what we've listed as bob loss which just means the bob ross show left twitter and therefore you were unable to do the bob ross competitive painting league and continue that series which was a lot of fuss started the pandemic man says he was this pseudo sports show commentating on bob. Ross on the watch parties twitch and the amazon. Just let it let bob ross slip out of. It's grasp was happy little mistakes. They made Really broker heart Are we ready to find out the winner jim. I'm ready all right here. we go twenty twenty s disappointment. Find out this. This envelope threatening with with powerful negative energy. Let's see arrigo. This thick thick emboss gold envelopes The winner for bald move award for biggest disappointment. Was there ever a question the year twenty twenty five. See you if i see you. In my calendar again it's going to be an beaten so twenty twenty Then losing cecil close behind. Bob loss the loss of bob. Ross cyberpunk twenty seventy seven and run and also honorable mention the wonder woman nineteen eighty-four who snuck in suck ass movie right as twenty twenty is close in. You really went the extra mile to make twenty twenty just slightly worse and again if you like if you have questions like oh wow. This seems interesting. How did they rather these conclusions gas. What simultaneously released this award ceremony. There is hours. Literally hours of deliberations on these categories tin dozen. Maybe baker's dozen hours. does martin scorsese. Put that much effort into his oscar. Nominations as matthew winer put that much effort into his emmy submissions. I fucking doubt it but it's out there. But that if you want to check these deliberations all categorized by heading whatnot. But we are done with disappointment. Oh yeah you want. More than the deliberations. Okay our next category. Is it best debut pilots episode or series so this is a freshman series or a particular good first episode. It can be either. You know there wasn't a lot of new television. I guess there was a lot of new television but not a lot of standout new television this year in our opinion but the nominees again in no particular order. The plot against america. David simon joint about america's flirtation with fascism in the nineteen forties. The third day jude law joint where he loses his child and ghosts an existential crisis By way of joining an island-based cult and all that into it entails the devs or just devs. I'm sorry. Alex garland wrote another kind of mind. Blowing sci fi tale of you know what does what does even future and destiny and fate star trek to card season one. Hey you know what cards back. We like star trek. He did a thing and then lovecraft country. A searing look at racism seen through the lens of the cult and lovecraft on h. b. o. Aereo the gold envelope hot and my hands but opener up see what see what see what we see particularly tougher ramp on this one all right here we go twenty twenty bald move award for best debut pilots lovecraft country. Everybody give it up for lovecraft country in the middle of the pandemic. You're shocked us. Scared us your sex sexist up a little bit. You taught us a few things about the power dynamics and privilege and he also kind of gross us out a few times increasingly south some some some. Yeah some creepy dolls raggedy and shit than some body horror. it's a great great show Following up a number twos devs number three star trek to were diehards for picard darpa guardians. The loss are the plot against america and the third day number five for the community for the ball move community listener choice award Best debut pilot dev ze with a whopping forty one percents. Wow of oh my god. Alex garner gotta be proud of that kind of penetration. Two fifths of all bald move. People agree deb's his best followed by lovecraft country. Twenty seven percent. No slouch raised by wolves. Barking and howling at ten percent star trek mccaren scrape by eight percent in the third day manage the three days five percent of the votes. So that's Goes you know we're pretty pretty and sink. We were number one. Lovecraft number two devs And by pretty fair margins to be honest and the community was deb's number one lovecraft. You gotta love that you gotta love that And that is that for best debut pilot. The rest of their choices are totally suspect. But those first two are good done done with it. Four out of five. 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And that's a year without first run movies so a lot of different back commissions which helped stack the deck a little bit toward the end but we also made an effort to go back to some of the classics that we haven't covered yet just movies we love and we pumped out more than a movie week this year and i will say that there is We had to make some tough calls because this is such a weird year kinda similar when emmys half a strike short near the you know the sport ball stuff as they gotta make some compromises. We decided to out of all the movies we recorded. we're getting the primacy to the ones. Were as close to first run movies. Things that were late in two thousand twenty or late in twenty nineteen or came out in twenty twenty And were we're relatively new so the top ten like this is not the top ten best movies we saw this year. This is the time this is the closest we come to a best bald movie. I run bald movie award so we gave. We gave extra way to the things that came out very near or during twenty twenty With that said nominees. The nominees in no particular order are nineteen seventeen which is basically world war one gravity. It's a harrowing one shot Were one film that follows the journey of one guy on his mission to i forget what the mission is exactly but boy isn't harrowing and it's It's it's It's he's got get the he's got to get word to some some unit about a trap that's going to wipe them out if they don't they're right right And it's also are the last first run movie we've done. We're going to do this week. But it's almost it's almost been a year because i think this came out in january. It's many years since we've done an natural. I run bold movies so next up his parasite which is essentially a class struggle korean class. Struggle parable and extends far beyond the korean culture and society to yeah works really effectively a horror thriller and places to Early goes places. I i haven't seen it and you know You should i. Don't i went in with knowing almost nothing about it and it was very glad that i did so. And if you see knives out you'll probably also like this. It's not as funny put. It's it's very very similar movie. Yup yup next up in no particular order. The irishman which is kind of martin scorsese's the culmination of his career of telling these italian gangster stories. This one revolves around jimmy hoffa and the the unions and the the mob involvement in those in his horse how he ended up buried in the middle and stadium in the first place and of course part fictionalised. Obviously this was this was also the year of the gangster like this. We kind of let off with this. But my god we did. Almost every. Martin scorsese gangster movie except for maybe gangs in new york We did. We did a lot of gangs stuff this year. Yeah goodfellas casino at both a wall street if you consider that a gangster film next up hamilton which everybody knows hamilton. Yeah everybody knows that That was released on disney plus this year and then finally running out. Category the lighthouse which is willem defoe and robert pattinson stuck on a island. Manning a lighthouse. And they're kinda just stuck out there in supplies or short insanity is short and they're stuck out there with each other chaos ensues does. yeah well. it's time that's the nominees. It's time to see who won the best ball the and listeners. Choice for best movie here. We go no no drum roll. But i can feel there's palpable tension in the audience. Perio let's this does want to give up its contents. Probably because the eldredge whores alert within number one winner the lighthouse robert pattinson. Welcome to us taking you seriously. Willem defoe uris scary. Motherfucker feel like the judge is really picked a good one this year. You know this was a good one. This is movie is black and white. It's like pretty much square like classic silver screen cinema age of aspect ratio. It's mostly these guys just raging against each other in a ten by ten room At at time layer disturbing at other times Yeah this guy is named something edgard robert. Yeah the wrote and directed the witch as well and he's just really good at this atmospheric dread and like psychotic aspects of the human human condition is real good cruiser by to watch it. And i think our podcast is pretty fucking spectacular to if i say so myself rounding out the top five parasites hamilton. Nineteen thousand nine hundred. Seventeen and the irishman The community the community winter here with forty three. Fucking percentage points parasites. Okay i mean you go wrong you got back in the academy because this thing slade at the award show did As you can imagine that big of a percentage a steep drop off to nineteen seventeen fourteen percent hamilton. Thirteen percent the irishman eight percent. And then i'm thinking of ending things which some we haven't talked about. But that's another little you know movie to works. Kind of as a horror thriller film in places. a bleak winter. Teatime dark tea. Time of the human soul type of movie that fit the mood of twenty. Twenty I wouldn't recommend going back if you're feeling good and watching it but you know during a dark place you want to be a little bit darker checkout on thinking of ending things and that puts the best ball movie twenty-one the weirdest years for bald movies i'm sure i don't know they're talking about pushing back a lot of shit this. Choose three and four this year too. But the it's been been weird. Been a weird movie. I don't know what's going to happen when the dam breaks in hollywood. How we're going to keep up. We will lose. We did sixty movies this year. Jim can we do. Can we do one hundred. No no we can. I answer the best movie everybody. Congratulations to the lighthouse. And yet god damn fights impartial to the lobster. Though whose turn is it is did. You might turn into these two category now all right so this is a kind of an interesting one. Its biggest miss. This is essentially the way the community tells us that we fucked up award for. We fucked up jobs Something that people by their estimation thought we would do a very good job covering that was excellent material and yeah we just don't have the time or inclination or the capacity to do it and no particular order the nominees. This year are tiger king. A crazy bastard. The outsider tenet christopher. Nolan's ill-fated delayed matt masterpiece You know potential the queen's gambit and the good lord bird. Let's find out what we thought and in an almost as importantly if if not more importantly our listeners thought biggest miss category for twenty twenty. Here we go bad. What would we do jim. Have we thought it will almost certainly big big in ways. We couldn't have imagined biggest. The biggest can't fuck up any higher. This is guaranteed bald. Move boehner twenty. Twenty twenty twenty bald move award for big smith's number one. This is jim. And is by our estimation of what we thought was the best and our combination of skills and interests the queen's gambit chess shit. We like the lady from the witch. This thing looked good. I like period pieces even And we didn't we didn't get it done. We didn't get it done Tenant number two. We didn't care for this movie. I don't think we're going to have a podcast movie because of that reason we certainly would like if this were a normal year we would have gone and seen a day one and we would have done a disappointing. I run a podcast about it. And it probably would have been two and a half hours of us like navel-gazing and second guessing and trying to figure out the rules and you know maybe that's a good time and if you think it is support up bulb move dot com check out commission podcast and make your and don't let your dreams dreams then tiger king that you know that was. That was a bomb that dropped at the beginning of the pandemic everybody got onto. We tried to with the ill-fated netflix. Watch party that didn't quite work out. And we kept on putting off watching because we wanted to get it back together and we never did. And it's it's now gone like tears in the rain followed by number four the good lord bird number. Five the outsider. It's one one zero champion championing. Stephen king adaption adaptation of stephen king's book and it had been mendelssohn and a couple of other pretty big stars in it and it was very creepy and it was a nice. It was a good mystery. I enjoyed following that show. I will say that. I believe i will be watching the queen's gambit sometime in the early parts of this year the first half anyway and when i do be on lookout on off the clock if you're the type that is a premium podcast listener for discussion of that now wasn't community think community was kind of divided. There's not these big forty three percent. These big twenty nine percent sixteen percent of the community thought the biggest miss was not having full coverage of the weird german time travel film. Dark earth series. Now it's tough because this was the third season. Yeah and we did like six hours of dark coverage with the lead up season. Two brought on my buddy. Kim renfro talk about it. Because she's like really eight up with it as well me and jim watch all three seasons so we could catch up to the final season and have some covered. So we didn't it wasn't like a fullness it was just a just a partial miss but it was enough that you know people thought all man. What what if an altogether. What if what if net flix released this a week. At a time it would have liked the dark sub. Reddit would be five times bigger. There'd be the audience would be three times bigger and we have like these sprawling two. Our podcast forever episode. So what are you gonna do. Queen's gambit a virtual tie just a few tints of percentage points separating it from dark at sixteen percent as well ozark fourteen percent outsider eight percents and tiger king trailing at six percent. Didn't get the pardon. he was looking for. Didn't get baldy gold. Maybe doesn't even have exotic animals. What is what is the tiger king. Even now he's the tiger. He played the queen's gambit and lost. That's what happened to tiger. King has been deposed. That's biggest miss in the books. Right next category. We have on the docket. Here is best male actor. This is this is this is a real prestige category. Like it is real fucking deal. And he's categories are so weird because like best male and best female actor don't really fit our times anymore and we have no idea what to do with them and at some point these will change when we figure it out so apologies for twenty twenty. Just just chalk this up to twenty twenty. It's twenty twenty. What are you gonna do. What are you gonna do. We talk about a lot on the deliberations. You want to hear more about that. But the best male actor twenty in no particular order glenn term is dr senator from fargo season. Four karl urban as billy butcher from the boys season to anthony are as homeland from the boys season to jude law as young pope in the new pope and michael k williams is montross freeman in lovecraft country. Always entertaining see michael k williams and another. Hbo series Let's see i got the golden. The golden ticket right here contains winners of this category along with the listener toys over here. We go shit almost opened with that rippin. Kids have that. That's possible here. We go one twenty bald move award for best male actor best male in the acting profession. The winner is anthony star homeland from the boy season. To what an incredible performance guy. I've liked them. Ever since i saw him in. What was that a banshee on on cinemax and he's brought that terrifying intensity to evil pro-nazi superman and it's quite something you guys. You guys got to see this. Just gonzo performance. He goes goes places Followed up closely. Michael k williams as montross freeman from lovecraft country. Jude law as tidy. Whitey wearing the young pope from the new pope glenn term and dr senator love this role love this performance the stand out of the season as far as i'm concerned fargo season. Four and karl urban billy butcher the man that knows how to drink and menacing cup of tea the community with a whopping thirty seven fucking percent behind the bold gold for this gentleman anthony stars homeland or we have achieved peak. Audience synthesis synchronization amazing trail. Of course you get that much of the vote. You're going to have the the trailers being trailing a man west as amos burton sniffen number two in the communities hearts and minds season that they haven't even finished yet haven't even finished holy shit. I mean i thought i was i was. I was brave for for some of these reviews. And i've seen the finale. John malkovich as the new pope from the young pope was six percent of the votes. Out doing jude. Law dueling. Popes in the three slot here between bald moving to listeners. Nicholas holt who is amazing as playing a likable offering braathen. Believe it or not. Five percent playing. Peter the third on the great and then finally the great presence villainous presence giancarlo esposito a stand edgar and the boy season two with five percent of the vote. While it's very performance and he just is is a bad year to be a supporting villain in in a in a great Superhero deconstruction or or ordered leading hero supporting hero. I dunno i feel like karl. Urban got a little thal rob here because anthony starvation as homeland and we've felt like it wasn't worth putting the two at the top i guess You know and you know if you're if you're if you're feeling a certain way about these Listening to the deliberations we we go through lots of hours of contacts especially with these big ones. The you know we had like forty five. People were sorting through the start with And not everybody can win. Unfortunately next is the best ball moments and you know what we don't have nothing to say about this because we don't get to choose this award Let's find out together. Shall we best bald moment. Was this this who knows what it can be This was determined by a survey that People took the ball move dot com. It's closed now. Don't i don't know why. I'm giving out the linking. You gotta wait for twenty eight twenty one now here. It is best ball moment. This is these are moments that made you laugh. They smile made you think the best moments of bald moved two thousand twenty. I'm genuinely interested in what this could possibly be. Because i can't even think of any did twenty twenty. It's been such a blur of shit that i have no idea what the bright spots are one fifth of the community. Nineteen percent says the return of the walking dead in twenty is the best ball moment wa how that was fun. You talking about you talking about spending shit and the gold but tell you what. That's that's that's what we did. Although i will say the walking dead under angela king is a different show. It s show that gives a shit about its characters that the knows that you're committing an hour of your precious life on earth to them each week and kind of wants to earn it like i don't know they can keep this up. But holy cow season nine was honestly one of the bright parts of the mid year for me truly found it kind of inspirational and places living through apocalypse then nipping at its heels. A seventeen percent of the vote of the lord of the rings podcasts collectively okay. We're we're near a lot of people's hearts Got a lot of positive feedback about that. A lot of interaction really thoroughly enjoyed doing them then. thirteen percent of people found. It's the best moment that we found the way to stay alive. During twenty twenty two pandemic the economic setbacks as human beams as a company. I think as a company although it we are the company. I assume that the the humanity of us. Some point to ten percent of folks thought sci-fi sundays with the best ball moment. And we've had a hell of a lot of fun. Those are going nowhere and twenty twenty one going to be still here every sunday at eight pm. We're watching some star trek and were finishing up the expanse. But as soon as we're done with that right to start on some great science fiction movies we watch them live with the amazon. Watch party technology. If you go to twitch dot tv slash bald move as long as you have an amazon prime account. You can synchronize watched thing with us. It's something we've been wanting for years and years and now it's here. Finally the christmas dreams very popular very heart warming eight percents almost one out of ten of bald. Movers thought that those were the best the best. I got a couple others actually ten. If you if you're interested here in contagion podcasts. At startup in pandemic people described it as thoughtful and interesting and informative and has number six number seven corona rice. We're on lunch. I revealed. I bought. I panic. Bought a fifty pound bag of rice about five pounds of it left so i learned a lot of rice dishes in two thousand twenty six percent. People like growing rice getting a chance to catch up at work for your back catalogue. We're getting into the weeds ear. Three percent this is still the number eight response. I actually got a lot of feedback from the people are like going back and going through their old favorites or things that they've always wanted to. There's not a lot on. That's kind of cool. you're you're making. It is what it is the always row number nine. The girls getting to do their own pot on the his dark materials are continuing to work on that and finally you know is show up somewhere at the list these are all kind of virtual ties are all just few percentage points at three percent separating each other to groundhog day marathon at twenty twenty nine Those innocent days when we thought the australian subcontinent being on fire was the worst problem. We'd have to deal with in a year. Best ball moments. Congratulations to everybody. We all take that as an absolute win. All right how we're back on another holy shit back almost virtually back to back prestige categories where we got jim. We've got the best female actor rundown an no particular order. And you know you love him. Cecile defer on. You gave me this category purpose in you. Cecile as funny. He'll have a figure out pronounced so the new in the new pope. Jerry lee lewis in lovecraft country. Ludivine sagnier as esther in the new pope. One moose masako. As ruby baptiste in lovecraft country and dominik or tipper as naomi gotta in the expanse season five Your retina my retina. Everyone's brenton a- kyrie go Female the best female actor. This was hand-delivered me. The in gold press latin by the grand negative themselves. I want interested in your best. Your best females. And we got him. We got him negative. This way this way you know. He'll your lobes out. Cheer lobes out old man. Twenty twenty s best bald. Move award for female actor. The winner is one me. Masako as a ruby baptiste from lovecraft country. Oh yeah that's good. One is is really tough because the women are just doing really. The top five is a who's who of women that did some really tough challenging work in twenty twenty and is kind of a toss up between one million number two at journey yet smaller As as letty lewis from lovecraft country. We gave the nod one me. Essentially because i just think she had harder work to do like some of the body horror. She do some of the sexuale she had to express the sentiments about. You know the position of of of a black woman in one thousand nine hundred fifty s trying to get ahead sasol excellent. It's completely excellent and again journey. Small at that number two for her work on lovecraft country cecile day france s afia from the new pope dominant. Tipper naomi nagata her best season yet and yet there was so many others do in even better stuff Number four and then ludivine sagnier as astor from the new pope. Man it was it was it was a loaded. There's i'm looking at the the rest of the top ten here. Which you can find out onto the deliberations if you want what did the community think. What did the community think five bald movers. Nineteen percent said dominique. Tipper cannot be be expand switch. I love seeing expanse. Getting a lotta love. You know man. Wes milady dominant. Kitson's vary fidora tippy. I respect the reasons. I ass- i do. We do that too to turns out when you have an active podcasts. Advertising the ball these. He'll fan show up carragee speaking number two spot as camino drummer captain. Now from the expand season five nineteen percent of oh they were neck neck and neck like two tenths of a percentage points separated these these ladies in the minds of the ball movers. Allah fanning got a lot of love nine percent as the great from the hulu. Show the great tandy. Newton got some recognition as for work on may which is pretty good work Eight percent and then natasha democrat. Demitrio does the tasha. This is as najah from what we do in the shadows season. 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Bald moved to get three extra months free go express. Vpn dot com slash ball. Move right now to learn more biggest surprise okay. So here's a category surprise. It's things that we didn't expect that caught us by surprise and delight us Things we may be actively doubted and turned out better than we thought. You know the disinflation surprise. I'm sure you're familiar with it this year. No particular order for big surprise the performance of one robert patterson for both his work in the lighthouse and tenant singlehandedly double handedly putting him like as a good plausible batman in our is the walking dead season. Nine it's walking dead and it wasn't a dumpster fire. that's surprise. Sure the great. I didn't expect anything from this. From dakota fanning's less famous sister and from x. men but it's a really really good historical drama thirty. It's got a really interesting sensibility. it's a lot of fun. It's it's In no particular order ted lasso People want to watch. It's on apple. tv which. I don't know what kind of audience numbers are watched. Three episodes was kinda. Hate watching it. Like i i was gonna watch so can stick it to these people and tell them how shit show is and out of nowhere. I fucking fell in love with ted lasso and finally this. Jim's baby the third day twenty four hour livestream what. The i watched every bit of that twenty four hour livestream and i loved it. It was just so crazy so often guard so like what do you do in twenty four hours television with high profile stars. You've got to law dna grave for an hour and a half real time. Man is an actor not a grave digger. He's not accustomed to this. Yeah it was David blaine sanding shit in this thing. I didn't watch it a jim. Wraps waxes poetic about this. Several times into deliberations. If you want more of that check it out but those are nominees in no particular order. It's time to find out what is the biggest surprise. I'm going to be surprised to find out and this year envelope We have listener choice. Ca no this is just a bold move category. Here we go. We've opened the envelope cross. Rubicon there's no going back now. The biggest surprise in two thousand twenty. I mean was there any surprise in this category. The walking dead not sucking and season nine. Congratulations to ames angel. Came all the principles of the walking dead who finally got some material that they can sink their teeth into the career of robert pattinson comes in number second the third day. Twenty four hour livestream. I'm just amazed at. Jim watched it all and was enthralled. That's surprising ted lasso. That aso and the great season one degrade by the way if you're if you're still smarting over two factor harlot scott cancelled. Please check out. The great is a lot of fun and we are done with surprises. This year route route is surprises. I don't know there might be a few left up When we get to the best commission category. I think there are any surprises there. I have to explain the best commission category a little bit before we went down the nominees because how easy termine. This is the one exception that we have to just the gut feeling way of sorting things that we usually have. This has an actual scoring system because we found it was really hard and almost unfair to the listeners. Because these are all things. Listeners have commissioned and paid for us to do almost unfair to just go on our gut so we assign each of these movies a score from one to five and four different categories and it's it's our gathering come up with better kramar fim system which includes surprise fun interest in media quality and these are all relative relative to how we feel about it so it wasn't a big surprise to us right it might be the most popular movie On the planet buddy. We're like skeptical. It's actually as good as people say or or haven't heard of it and we watch and it's great. It's a big surprise. Fund is about the podcast like well. How much fun did we have. Actually recording the podcast were there. Were there good jokes. Did inspire hilarious conversations. Interest is the same but for how interesting the conversations were did. Have a lot of the weekend. Really dig into and talk about and finally media. Quality is the quality of the film or or commission material itself and the whole point of a student. This is because we quickly realized if we just made is about the best movie depth than it would just be the best movie but that's not why people really enjoyed the commissions to the people enjoy the commissions because of discussion around that whether takes a community is imagination by storm that kind of thing and also it just kind of a rough this kinda gets us into a rough order and then we sometimes just you know go with the gut Yeah for sure. Override fractional points for sure by the him the myths The system sure yeah. I don't have good acronym for it. But let's run down the nominees in no particular order lord of the rings the two towers gatica lord of the rings film fellowship of the ring. I almost said fingers outside the ring. Go look at our deliberations of old that lord of the rings the return of the king and chaos on the bridge. Oh boy what is going to be. The best commission and this again is another one. I meant to throw this was This was supposed to be a community listener choice. When as well as i'm curious to see what people thought. And i i i was raised in a two thousand nineteen survey. I just i just left it off. I'm so sorry so sorry that the save this in mind for worse disappointment of two thousand twenty biggest missed two thousand twenty twenty. Twenty one is running back and ted down. The listeners will agree with us on this one. I'm sure all right here. We go for the the best commission for twenty twenty the lord of the rings. Fellowship of the rings commissioned by dr john. Congratulations would not only set off a two and a half hour epic because no one knew that at the same time the doctor. John lewis thinking commissioning is. I was at that very moment watching all the expanded editions. And all the blu ray materials on my brand new blu rays and i was fucking ready to go and no one knew that. This is one of the few exceptions to my no fantasy rule that i have right brings the movies. I actually love these. Not not as strongly as a lot of rings fans. But i like thurgood films Then we also had Chaos on the bridge. The lord of the rings the return of the king gatica and the two towers just dominated by lord of the rings tolkien. Good on this and there you go lord of the rings. Congratulations and thanks to all our commissioners this year can't wait to see what people come up with. We already have like three commissioners lined up for twenty twenty. One can't wait to see what people come up with. And if you are interested in commissioned by guests slip a little ad in here's this commercial free for the most part support that dot com. Check commission podcast. And that's it. That's it for twenty twenty commissions high risk high reward. It's another category. That didn't it was kind of sparse because people weren't taken chances this year juvenile least of all But this is a to describe this. This is you gotta. You've got a situation where nobody's expecting more of a thing you know. You gotta beloved classic. Let's say bladerunner for example. No one's expecting a dust off and make another bladerunner if you do a doesn't suck. That's a high risk high reward category. Anytime you've got a beloved franchise that doesn't need to be updated doesn't he do a sequel doesn't need. You're doing it anyway. That's that's some high risk behavior and we have to see if it pays off and these are the people that we think it paid off the most for in no particular order before. I even get my grubby hands on this envelope. Bill and ted f. t. face the music Star wars the mcu plan can the fan bodies sustain ten series worth star wars interest over the next eighteen months. The mouse plans to find out the new pope. You know it'd been like five years since the the young pope and ended an ambiguous kind of beautiful way the way that the young pope often did nobody needed more. Probably people wanted more but what would more even look like well. It looks like the new pope and fuck me. It was one of my favorite covers of two thousand twenty and finally krona. Rice wasn't gonna starve. I wanna make sure. I could put two thousand calories of food content on a table each and every day with just nothing but boiling water and by god corona rice. Did it radio. What if what if corona cova just blown over one if it had not been as they said that's at least twenty dollars worth of rice that you purchase. That's tens of dollars of rice. That has a shelf life of like tens of years. What i possibly have done with the my god. God's such a huge risk Let's see let's see rise. One opening opening up this thing. Severe risk of paper cut speaking of biggest risk for the winner for two thousand twenty ball. Move award for highest risk to reward ratio bill and ted faced and music. I mean it was the greatest movie of two thousand twenty. No it was not but is this movie had better than it had any right to be. And i was nervous on the lead up this movie. Everyone was doing the pieces about bill. And ted's excellent adventure her bogus journey and like you know what these actually hold up pretty well and are pretty fun movies and these guys have is unique weird chemistry. Can they replicate it. You know piquionne so much. Bigger in his career and winters hadn't hardly done anything. Well it's great it's great it's good feel good fun movie and it added by who to the mythos of bill ted satisfying way. So they've they've got daughters and they're going to turn out all right and they are the wild stallions that actually bring peace to all mankind. It's like i said it's kind of an even neat. Little twist on time travel to the new the new pope of course really good corona rice beating out the star wars because i had your risk the reward so if there is one i imagine just a toys and lego sets and video games alone of ten. Different franchises is going. It's a much better strategy than one movie a year. That half of the phantom hates. You know you shouldn't get by one show a year to phantom hates it. There's nine other ones that they love. So that's it. For the highest risking rewards of twenty twenty. We'll see how this whole. Mc that's everything is like this is kind of Premature reward thing for the ncaa because face at this this His risk reward stuff because it hasn't even come to pass true and that brings us to the last category of tonight ceremony. Cue music this is. This is where he comes. In our most hallowed category most prestigious. This move started podcastone to do big big swinging dick and teddy dramas put in front center. We have party. S members meowing literally meowing for this category. They wanna know so badly the crying out and cry out. Oh god let's just get through this one real quick here. The nominees not order. Are the boys season to believe. We've talked plenty about this now. Show on it. The debt not dudayevs just as just as lovecraft country. The new pope the expanse season. Five dying diane's meowing to no controversy too because new has come to light one of these real adversity will see best drama estra boy. I can't wait to find out what people think here. We go ripped open this envelope. The winner for twenty twenty. Bob move award for best tv. Drama goes to devs whole shit. High-concept sifi time travel near future. What is destiny faith. even the we have free will. I know i was compelled to pick. That's all i know. All good questions also good question. How is it the best pilot reversed these two dads and lovecraft country. Well you'll have to listen to the deliberations to find out. I think yeah. I think it's i think you're i think The pilots yeah. Yeah yeah. I think i think the pilots question but yeah devs was an amazing experience watching. I kinda actually wish we'd gotten in on because they released every two one every two weeks. Didn't they or two every to everyone week. Is that how we did. And that's how we did it To two per week. I think they might have just done. Weekly okay because it would have been it would have been a hell of a weekly show to cover but we did it all on otc if you're looking for the coverage And i thought it was One of her Of more interesting podcast that we did followed by the new pope. Which i love and i'm really proud of coverage that we did on that And the expanse season five then lovecraft country than the boys season two. i'm gonna ask you something. The expands now. We both seen the finale. Would you change the order of this. I don't think so. no. I don't think so too. I think like there was some nervousness to maybe expand a little too high. I think it. It's a minted itself is is third place though. That was a hell of a finale episode Craft country in the boys for the community. A whopping twenty seven percent. Nearly a third of all bald. Movers agree that the expand season five even when that seen the last two episodes was the best drama aired in two thousand and twenty five. Well done recently bias. Well done well done you guys did did pretty good followed by better call saul fourteen percent. the queen's gambit at fourteen percents The mandalorian at fourteen percent. And i actually goofed up. Because i've been bands twice. So maybe the audience voted. I only have the top for on this category. God damn it. And they're on those impressed team onto fourteen percent on the other three percent with just with just minor. Tints percentage points separating them. So i will say i can definitely see better call saul unfortunately Era did watch that this year so it would have been just me arguing for that to go up the list against these other things that we both saw on loved so you know maybe you got short triffid but that's how it goes here at the ball. Maybe maybe it did. Maybe didn't but that's the best tv drama. Congratulations like once again to all the winners. Twenty twenty one. I have no idea what this year's going to be looking like because it seems like the first half is going to be the same as we had the last year I'd like i. I said i was just reading an article where a lot of movie studios are thinking of publishing these movies that have been in limbo for going on a year now including the james bond pushing back to like late fall or even christmas releases I but you know what. I'm not even scared because we got. We got the walking dead season. Ten or back pocket. we got decades worth of just. The best movies ever made that we can discuss. We've never some of them. We haven't even seen a lot of for sure we haven't discussed and they'll be enough New tv and returning tv. I think that will be able to keep the lights on and a bit. Slow and Thanks once again for everybody who supported us this year. Who listen to our podcast. Thanks for the hundreds of people that the had their voice recorded for The baldy is Needs preferences recorded in the annals of bulb history and. that's it again. I cannot stress if you want to hear us discuss more of these things detail because we really pretty brisk moving through this There are at least a dozen hours of us talking about these these categories and the biggest ones dramas comedies actors Zero they were easily went two hours on those. So there's lots more of this kind of agonizing navel-gazing trying to decide what's better than what into deliberations were all linked probably within the show notes and on the youtube video description so again we appreciate you will. We can't wait to see what's best and worst most disappointing and most surprising in two thousand twenty one. And until then i may ron. I'm jim once again. Winners and competitors big-and. We'll see next year miss our sci-fi sunday we'll be watching signs and then immediately after the movie will be hosting an after party to discuss signs and the works of him night shovel on on stereo dot com slash bald move. This is your chance to join our conversation live. We want to hear everything. Please go to zero dot com slash bald. Move at eleven. Pm eastern this sunday for a live conversation about signs once again go to stereo dot com slash. Paul mood get the app and tune in on sunday at eleven.

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Just Because Something Feels Personal Doesn't Mean It Is  - And How To Respond With EFT (Pod #399)

EFT/Tapping Q & A Podcast w/ Gene Monterastelli - Emotional Freedom Techniques

15:39 min | 1 year ago

Just Because Something Feels Personal Doesn't Mean It Is - And How To Respond With EFT (Pod #399)

"Everybody Jean here welcomed the tapping cuny podcast every single week. We answered the most common uncommon questions about tapping an emt seen get the most out of your eft practice eliminate self sabotage Tauch. Take the action that you want before we jump into today's show. I just have a quick announcement starting November I. I am doing a thirty day tapping challenge. Where every single well day in the month of November? I'm going to be posting a new youtube video. You can tap along to if you're currently on my mailing list. Is today Monday which this podcast is going out. You received an email where you can just click Lincoln side of that and it will make sure that you are going to get email reminders or show you how you can subscribe through tubes to get an reminder every single day about the video if you did not get that message or you just WanNa make sure you get on the list. All you need to do is go to tapping in Cuny dot com slash thirty Hyphen Day. And that's the number three zero tapping cunard dot com slash thirty Hyphen Day. And you will get those videos does have absolutely free this gene Montross Deli. Welcome to the podcast recorded live to tape from Williamsburg Brooklyn this. This is episode three ninety nine originaly aired January sixteenth. Two Thousand and thirteen reedited remastered released October. Twenty eight to nine. I hope this will wherever you are at whatever time of day. You're getting a chance to listen to this. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Today we're going to talk about a really subtle topic and it's the idea that just because something impacts me personally particularly in action taken by someone else doesn't doesn't actually mean at his personal and it's about me and it's it's such a subtle concept is you'll see as we get into it but if you understand this concept it is going to make those times that you're tapping about the struggles that you have in the relationships around you so much easier and so much more fruitful and it's not about giving other people a pass and making they don't take responsibility but it does put us in a place where it allows us to move forward in a natural and effective way before we do that just a quick reminder we we have a free ten part guide to help you to eliminate self sabotage there's audios videos tapping scriptures all sorts of goodness waiting. There for you all you need to do is go tapping Q.. And Aid Dot Com Click on the blue button. Or if you're listening to this right now on the website up that right hand corner you'll see a blue button. Click on on that and every single day the next ten days you will receive one of these little reminders giving you some instruction and they don't take long just four or five minutes but if you do that every single day not only. Are you going to be adding to your tool set. But you're going to make it easier for you to tap and for you to take action so without any further ado. Here's our conversation about how just because it feels personal doesn't mean that it is I today. I want to talk about a little bit of Kind of subtle concept in how we respond to the world in how the emotions we have can show up in a way. That isn't serving us very well and it has to do with win. People are doing things that hurt us either doing things in the world that consequences fall back on us or they're saying things that fall back us and we interpret them in a way that's really really personal and and just because we experienced something in a personal way and it hurts US personally. It doesn't mean gene. The intention of the person that's done the act is doing something to personally hurt us now. There are definitely going going to be times when people are doing things to be mean when people are doing things to spite us to make our day worse to make us feel worse to take us down a peg or two and I'm not talking about those times and when I talk about the Times where we're getting impacted by choices. Other people are making and they feel really personal personal. I'm not also saying that it's okay for them to do those things but it's important for us to recognize the difference between an act that is being done and to me personally an act. That is hurting me. Personally I think the the simplest way to look at this and understand this would be through an example. Let's say for example. I have someone in my life. Who has a drinking problem? And because of this drinking problem they become unreliable and I'm in a circumstance where I don't have my car because my car is in the shop and depending on this person to pick me up in the morning at a take me to to work and they drink too much the night before they oversleep. They're not able to pick me up. I ended up having to take a cab cost me money. I show up to work late. All sorts of stuff falls on me. I'm really annoyed. This person who was supposed to be taken care of me in that morning. It's very easy for me to interpret that that act as they don't care about me and they think so little of me. They promised me something and they didn't come through. No it is true true. They promised me something in. It is true that they didn't come through with what they promised. But Maya assertion and that they don't care enough about me to follow through on their promise may or may not be true if they're in a circumstance where they're dealing with the real sickness of alcoholism and they found themselves going on a bender the night before yes it was responsible. Yes they should have known better. Yes yes it really hurts me but the choice they made wasn't about me. I just happened to be impacted by it very personally and again when this happens just because it isn't about me personally. It doesn't mean that I give them a pass on it. It doesn't mean that I let it go. It doesn't mean that I allow it to keep coming into my life but when I am able to look through the lens of it wasn't about me it just hurt me very badly then. It allows me to show up in a slightly less elevated emotional space. I'm still really annoyed because a complicated my life. I'm still really annoyed because it costs me unnecessary money for a cab. I'm still really annoyed because it made me look bad at work because I didn't Chopin time when I was supposed to and it looks like I'm irresponsible but I also don't have the extra fuel or accelerate thrown on the fire of my emotion that they don't think a lot about me now they they might be struggling with something so much. It's hard for them to see beyond themselves. And that's unfortunate but I'm going to respond a little bit differently if I'm able to see that it isn't all about me. Even though it impacts me it all. I know his. What is about me in the about talk about talk to talk as if protocol that? We've talked about before four if you haven't heard it go back to podcasts. Bonus podcast twenty to go to tapping Qa. PODCASTS DOT COM. Click on Bonus podcast twenty two. If you want a full explanation of that in that third step we talk as if it helps us to understand. See from their point of view to help us de-escalate so the next time you're in a circumstance where someone has done something that impacts you very personally if you're able take a step back and you're able to ask yourself the question. Why was the choice? They made the best possible choice. They could make in that circumstance based on their resource state and the information they had it gives us the opportunity to look at it through a little perspective. The example gave you. Why is it the my friend drinking a lot the night before? Why is that the best state? Well they're in a circumstance where maybe they're in. A lot of pain in. Alcohol is the form of self medication. They're choosing to deal with that pain now again when I see that clearly clearly. I'm not excusing it. I'm not even saying that's a good way for them to deal with the problem but if I understand their point of view when they're making that it's going to help me to de escalate just a little bit. It's really important for us to remember. It's not actually all about us now. There are times and when people are going to do things to hurt us but in my experience at least the people I've managed to surround myself with when I'm being hurt by the people around me. It's because I'm a casualty of something else and when I'm able to see that it's a little easier and so when I find myself in that circumstance I tap on something like this. What happened right now hurt? What happened right now? Hurt me personally. It feels like the other person has a cared very much about me. And they don't understand how their choices impact me and just because it impacts me in a personal way. It doesn't does. It mean that they were trying to hurt me. It's possible I am casualty of something else and it is unfair that I've been hurt and I'm allowed to stand up for myself. I'm GonNa make sure others take responsibility for their choices and I have the right to defend myself when I'm hurt but it's also good for me to recognize that sometimes even when it hurts me personally. It's not about me personally and when I see that it's not about me personally. I'm going to be able to respond a little clearer. It's good stand up for myself. It's good that I don't let others run over me but it's also important to understand how and why I got run over how and why. I got hurt in order to respond in a way. That's best for me in the short and long term able to take a few moments and tap on something like that. I'm able to see things a little bit clearer and I'm able to make choices instead of escalating the circumstance by attacking back because I feel a tax. I'm able to step forward and defend myself and care for myself self and make sure it doesn't happen again in such a way that I'm not adding more fuel to the fire. I'm able to do it away. That's keeping me safe and cared for again. It's really subtle concept. It's not personal even when it feels personal. Sometimes aren't you can see how that is a really subtle concept but when you have your mind wrapped after a round it gives us the ability to tap in a slightly different way which allows us to see the problem more clearly. Get to the root cause faster which means we're going to release the emotion lot easier if you have any questions about this. I'd love to hear your feedback. Your concerns your thoughts. Just drop me a note. Gene G E N E it tapping Q. and A. DOT DOT COM or. If you're on the website just click on that contact button. If you know someone in your life who could use this little bit of information please be our ambassador. Don't spam your inbox walks but just pass it along the fastest and easiest way for people to find a new piece of resource that is helpful for them is the recommendation of a friend. So it would mean the world's me because you're going to reach people never gonNA reach because you know people I don't know in every single person that we have in our life who is tapping more the healthier. They are the healthier the people around them. Are they healthy our our world. Is You know that sounds kind of. I don't know a little woo. But it's the truth but every single person. Our life who is is healthier has a positive impact on us and around them and so it doesn't take much to pass a resource like this along so it would mean the world to me if you did it. If you haven't done so already ready you can subscribe to this podcast in podcasting parlance subscribe does not mean you're paying for something. This is not Netflix. Or some other service that you have to pay for and there are are some audio platforms now where you do pay. This is not the case. Wherever you can find audio you can find this? You can find it in apple podcast. 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Rich Mellon from Trapping Inc., Part 2  Podcast Episode 141

Trapping Today

38:11 min | 9 months ago

Rich Mellon from Trapping Inc., Part 2 Podcast Episode 141

"One. Year got. Trapped I liked to liked can make work and I liked right where. It'd be able to spend more time in the woods I was losing money. Getting, traps out. There is the hardest part I think with leave. In the back of Montross. Earthly. For going to. No matter what somebody traffic. Partner. This is what you. Get to ask them guys. You know everything. This Arkansas. China learn something from pledging to ask questions without asa mall the. Gain maggots especially for they're going hurt into the whole. To. Fattening Radio Trafford Carcelle me. That's pretty. Listened to the most developers system yet working ahead. To build the traffic. The good path. told. About these big hands, most of my to come from down. Probably the best part. Plane Predator Shush waiters, and even. Better. Back in the first shed. This trapping today Jeremiah would. have. You hear the tune in? We are brought to by Cox Brothers Lured K Eighteen Z. S. 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So congratulations coal hope you can get back on the trap line and you get a lot going on here the next couple of months but in season's just around the corner but great to see. Great great stuff going on over there now over here, I'm hearing from Saudi guys who have just come back Sir listening to the show after a few months off for the summer and guys are starting to. Think about trapping again and get back into catching up on all the past episodes. Great. Have you guys back here? I hope you enjoy listen the Alaska shows and hearing about my trip there and all the stuff going on over there boy that was that was quite an incredible trip but both lots to come here on the podcast. Tonight, we're going to hear from rich Mellon, from trapping, Inc. TV, and this is going to be the second part of our interview with rich. Will probably have a couple more segments in future episodes as well. And this this is really good stuff I enjoyed talking with him and there's a lot of great information here. And I also this week I interviewed Jared Larson from next maps. So several of you have talked about. In interested in learning a little bit more about on x and how to use. The APP and how to get started with it and all the details around that. So I really think you're GonNa like this I, think I'll put it in next week's episode. He has just incredible amount of information on the company and the APP and how to use it all the different things. There's a bunch of stuff that I actually did not even realize that you could use take advantage of with on X.. So there's there's a lot of stuff that I me having used the APP for over a year. Now, I still haven't used use it to its full potential. There's a lot of different things that you can do with it. And he also explained that there's actually a lot of stuff that you can get for free with the APP. That you know without a subscription without even paying if you're really challenged as far as finding the thirty bucks a year to. Subscribe to the the full service, you can actually download the APP and you can use a bunch of the aerial imagery and other stuff, and then when you're ready to upgrade and you want to be able to use all the features that are available, you can just at any time just Provide your information and upgrade and and you've got so that's GonNa be a good one too. So in tonight's episode, WE'RE GONNA. Talk about riches experience with his first outdoor show outdoor quest TV. He talks about the TV industry and putting on shows and how all that works how he started with trapping. INC TV. and. The effort involved behind getting that thing going. He talks a little bit about the public reaction that he's had to trapping in the the PR opportunities that he's had since the show's been on air and he's had a lot of people have been have seen the show that really had no back on dropping. You really didn't understand it talks a little bit about anti-trumpers and advertisers promoting promoting different products and stuff and and how all that has worked with him. And then he gets into some details on his trap line and the things that he's learned and I it just goes to show that doesn't matter how long you've been trapping. You can always learn new things on the trap line. That's why a lot of us enjoy this so much because we're constantly learning new things about the critters ferber's that we pursue. And there's always an opportunity if you're paying attention to learn something new so check them out. Also if you haven't got a copy of my book Walter Arnold Maine trapper stories from one of the last noun men get that get on Amazon, dot com and purchase a copy. It's a really you know it's like twenty bucks shipped for the most for most people. I. I'm not sure if not on Amazon Prime I'm not sure what the cost is for shipping, but it's pretty reasonable. And if you want to buy it directly from me, you can do that. Just email me Jay road at gmail.com and I will give you some more information and details on where to send the check but get that book, and if you haven't any purchase on Amazon, please go ahead and leave me a review because that is a great chance to. Promote the book and help other people discover it and Hopefully, kind of spread the word among people who may not be exposed to a lot of trapping in things in the trapping world. Get them. The opportunity to learn more about the history of wilderness trapping. All right. We'll get an interview with rich and don't forget to stay tuned to the end of the episode for the. COTS Bros. deal of the week I. Think you're going to enjoy this one. Let's get into it. You've have done a lot through the show in in promoting trapping and in trying to kind of educate people more on shopping. We we went from the rich that started out trap as a kid in, and now you've got this this big show that's popular throughout Canada and and also quite popular here in the US you must have had a time period in between where you you. Figured out how to do all this filming stuff and and going around to different places. What would you do? Would you were in the hunting? Industry. Ninety started the show called Christie and I had a partner in partner had had a past history. It been producing a fishing show for Cable News Network out of Saskatoon is scheduled. Or, Regina reminded when Regina Anyway He has the mystery on how to make TV. So we got into it and I Say the first four or five years where half fishing half Monday. So every every show had a fishy mode and A. Certain amount of product. Commercials Right. And, it's simple if you're getting twenty thousand dollars A. that's two, hundred, twenty, thousand dollars, and then you gotTa take your expenses you got you gotTa, you know two ways. So not a lot of money, right? I tell people all the time and I am sure they walk away. They say, well, he just really quickly I don't believe in. It is true. On the street And I tell you what if you're averaging twenty thousand dollars, commercial candidate, you are at the top of the you know the. Average That's that's. If anything was super lucrative, it's any business you look at from the outside it looks really lucrative, but everybody would be doing it if the money team that easy. Well exactly. I think part of it is people look for something that they enjoy doing and then making a out of it and you know. The, the TV makes trapping a lot a lot harder. You know it's a lot more work. Yeah. You know there's this the whole reality of living. And traveling and trapping your winters, which can kill you like I mean I'm not trying to be over dramatic I'm not trying to be. Zerorez but you could die if you're stupid you could die if you're just moderately dumb, you know. It sometimes he will. You're smart. You know things can go wrong i. Ever. Got It. was that bad luck Yeah. You we're. Ever ever got eight to I was trying to get Do Rolling and this is back a few years ago and you you gotta go slow but you gotta go fast enough so you don't get back before you get to flourish like we have you know snow. And where the power. Is Hard but the snow in the ditch sought so I'm going across a panic angle so I can look both ways so that I don't jump on looks right. You know there's not that many vehicles, but it does happen. Well, this is I'm as I'm looking over my shoulder back back into my direction, the machine breaks on the on the ditch side or the downside, and it rolls over him. Well, I have a six hundred, eighty pound machine on top of me and I mean sixty snow laughing it's kind of funny I didn't get hurt or anything, but I can't get it. Awesome. Yeah. I can't get it. Awesome. You know like it's like Oh crap you know. So it's quite a bit of time. Of there and that's how easy. I could have died I. You know two miles an hour. No So. As. I mean the film heating that Ad Call at work. It adds a lot you know and you need an enormous amount of a footage and all but when we were maxed out and we were looking for another show then so we thought we may capacity to to bring up another show have feel more racial south. So you're going to have Outeniqua Park in the trapping show. Yes. Yeah. We we haven't decided that what my partner wanted to do fishing show. Well, the fishing world is probably the worst. media to get into because there are so many who fishy Joe's I mean it's easy. You don't need very little for in the way of gear he else and You know there's always interesting fishing everywhere I mean don't matter where you are. You Got Fabulous fishing main that you could do doesn't show is on right? And So, what happens though is that there's also no sponsorship in you know. There are like two three nature motor manufacturers, and probably. you know less than half a dozen major boat manufacturers. You'd be amazed at how many different brands are made by the manufacturer. So there's really no sponsorship there. You know I'm just about all all of the the Louis and and lie and. All that either own nor Berkeley you know. That kind of. Go. I. You know I was professional fishermen on the PWG for for. Six years and I was the most successful Canadian ever and I was on a lot of. Well, not a lot a half a dozen US Pro teams and stuff like that. Right back in the day when you got paid money for doing this stuff, you're a brand ambassador. So I understood how the game works and I didn't really want to get this, she didn't think there was. There was a business plan there. That were the business model. You know we we're GONNA. Dumped it to to make money out of reading break even. And we were getting all this feedback about. Trafford show. Got It all. At the same time swamp people really And I thought you know what? They're out there gut hooking gators. Haymakers in love. I know they look. and well no listen listen. When you show the reality of traffic today the reality is traffic in my world. it's conservation-minded. It's humane. It's none of the things that and was. You know. So that was what really promoted start it was that the thought that. You know I could lose money the fishing short lose money crappy show But at least the show I can split the truth and I probably. have been so passionate about trapping it probably, you know if I just treated it as a business. I'd be more successful financially but. I wanted to try to get out there to show what was really really going on. We ran and hid for. So long we allowed shearer falsehoods and lies the. pushed out on the on the population every time. I mean it's just you can see the reaction if somebody's putting basically you. Say What did you TV show about I say traffic and you see immediately that they oh my God he's one of those people skins animals alive. Yeah. So that was the biggest also ever fabricated in the history of man. Other than you know from the government, I'm here to help and. It was the biggest the biggest falsehood ever. But if you're in the closet and no, one can you can't deny it. Actually our response with the high deeper. Stack the sweatshirts in front of this and that. And the truth of it is and you know it's the trapper. The animals are dead when you get there or you kill him right away. Because that's you know that that is that is the only humane thing to do. How you could begin this in a Fox's Fisher will read our wool alive. I, have no idea. WHY WOULD I? Not Very. Wise. Let season. No my God. Just from personal safety. Retarded. Those little animals are vicious I mean that's that's their only response clauses that is their response to life right? So they're not going to grow another high. So you know they're gonNA dead one way or the other and. It only takes a few can kill him. And, the overwhelming factor is the reason that I caught that animal was for the for the only value in that for how good I can put it up I can't make something that nature did not make it but I should make it work lot. So. We out over this bs to go on that animals were being skinned alive like it was ridiculous. And that was one of the major things that. One day I just had enough you know. And I thought you know I. I have a lot of old old old friends and a lot of them are now have pat on certain TV. Show or can no longer trap and all that stuff and there's a Tang harder. This most gentle person that people you you've ever seen their understanding of animals and allowed is epic. And You know. But they're very cut and dried. You know it was like. When you raise pigs for for food, you might name what what everybody's still are. And come Christmas Island whatever. They were very realistic people. They were very grounded people and. It kind of hurt me to see the stuff going on like the way they were being in the lies that were being used. You know here the north. We have always had trapping seats, right? Like cutty starts first of October in is the end of third. further north in the end of March. The reason being is because that allow dead at that time for them to have their POPs in and for the racing and yet what do you see you see pita? The a supposed Cotonou top same there. She is trying to get back to her puppies because they're starving other. Yeah. It's an outright lie. In that was that was the part If. My wife here I would say kind of maybe SORTA looking for fighting and she is the year. We should acknowledge your wife too because she's a big part of the show and the podcast and and everything that you do. I don't WanNa. Leave. She's she's my humor. Later, she's around. For folks that haven't listened to the scuttle podcast check that out there's a lot of episodes with rich in sandy just just kind of sitting down Chattan just talking trapping talking about the the the lifestyle and the trap line. It's Kinda neat. if. We prefer to call the life, the lifestyle but. She hasn't been on the last little while on most because she said, you know she's Not to say, Oh, she is, but I'm sixty ones. She decided to change careers. She had been a V. In in the major Bacon Canada and our five major banks are our national They're all across Canada, but she'd been GPA that. Is managing like one point, four, billion dollars. If. You can imagine adding up the number two but she had northern Alberta someone wrote to be seen all that. She had like basically all the people she I'd under her. Struggle to be you know finding people hired people is so she could that in you know become a wealth manager. So she's done about four years worth of university in the last eleven months. Wow. She had been a happy sunny. On getting wrote. This weekend. Yes she she was like I test conversion, and I know in today's world where conversion therapy is a bad word all this conversion. Convert him to. Fish. Yeah outlets she'd never hunted. Home no kidding we. Know and we we'll be celebrating our forty percent of you're. In A in a couple of months. and. She was offered to it and we I didn't push anything added. But she you know she realized that if she's been really involved in my life but. She was. To come along and it just look for you know we started out. I told the story day about how the very first Christmas together over this really sweet tooth seventy winchester the scope on all. I wanted to release them. She's devoted on me became an excellent shot, and now under the world, you have the world together and She's a big part of my life. The interesting thing whether it's hunting or fishing trapping is that a dad? Does it maybe the kid soup? But it mom does whole family. Yes. I gotTA. Tell you guys were really unimportant in the history of man. Ladies at the important ones. So you took. You took a big leap and starting show. Yes Yes and our biggest success was. ARGO had been a longtime sponsor of the hunting show. Which is naturally their demographic? And I convince them to come with me and it has worked. Astronomically. we are other top. We are did. They can to so many. Sales in and references and that kind of stuff and we have. Some argue stuff your views. I've done on Youtube and they're they're all time record stuff. Yeah. He is the whole thing of it is is you know people say what a great Gig you've gotten the and? Say. Look you don't understand just living my life and not pretending I'm not doing anything special and just living my life. So yeah, it is damn good Games. and. Things like. That stuff that works we can we can promote all day long I've had long offers. Some stuff that was marginal Whether. It was in quality or useless. You know and I just can't do that they don't have. They don't have time to To promote sumner to even get you know video with or whatever had a clothing company and you know they make what they call it a rugged clothing for dozen us. And I said, you don't understand this happens every all day long a guy I leave you know by the time we. Get the the big line open. For Lanston, an order and all that kind of stuff. Now, I'll do a hundred miles in a day on the snow. And unique clothing that that keeps you warm and dry and dries really for the soon as you get wet with, it's your sledding or if it's snowing and and you know you get wet from the seat or whatever. You're in trouble. You know you're you're trouble. So you think it was a lucrative deal at the offer, but just you know where it around the cabin. Pretended to take us. Up. You know what? Isis? You're interested in me and my company because we don't pretend because we put real in reality TV, we don't catch hundred dollar beaver or anything. You know we we we tell the truth and I said now because I have credibility and. Related. -BILITY WITH With the the folks that washtrust. You want me to. BESMIRCH that by by pretending I, don't. Know. It's not good for you and it's not good for them. And it's kind of a slippery slope like I mean I I like to get up every morning and you know look at myself when I shave. That kind of stuff all because I see that. Years of MTV TV I've seen. Just about every atrocity in and sake. Setup and There's so much that it is reenacted on on hunting shows and that kind of stuff but that's the beauty about the. Topic it's real. You're right there all the time right over the show. You know like I mean there's there's no reenacting if you'll get it right and they'll get it right you know. there. is a happy piece that you keep up. We're on the top. Every four days every four to Asian it's it's about three hours from from our house to are the door cab. And So there every four days takes me free three days to run my line more if I have to have to read refresh space in that kind of stuff is in you got to get. All kind of stuff. Basically traveling around and finding road kill and getting approved by the government to pick it up and take it, and there's a lot of work. There's a lot of work involved in in traffic and. And probably I wouldn't be quite so universal. Like I wouldn't tackle every ferber that I've got. This fiscal year we're tag right right before the show it's nice to be able to show people those different species. Exactly exactly to show the different species and. You learn each stuff like learning stuff all the time we have an exit, it's running this year and It started in Canada on the first maple and we will be on this year we'll be Q. Three. Q. Four of twenty, twenty, one of twenty, twenty, one pursuit channels awash I wrote we'll be on three cents a week, but one of the shows is fever and and I get to show a house that I actually trapped two seasons before and then something happened usually with beaver. What happens they another accessible food and that's the reason why they. They build the down to flood waters so they could swim up to the food and after a while they run out of things. And so then they'll abandon it and everything they died or whatever. They just moved down down creek your wherever's is only done. A lot of. A lot of the pothole lakes that there'd be two or three beamer house from Lakeland one we'll be active. Yes and that'd be the one where they can get food closest to and then after being there for your to. Of One or the other ones you know Willett scope pretty fat and willows as one of their big foods around here. So anyway. There was this big house that I had taken a nine. Ninety road or something like that and. I had three different sets on it and the ones that reduce every time the other one. Eighty three quarters of the time ever produced a third of the time. And I got to look at all of the opening fall I thought I. had that that. Bieber house covered. You know had free sex going on all the time and I was I was tired of rated a lot like I was using Tall Stan that setting the. Rating entered the laws. I don't know if you've ever seen a uses flexible pipe to find entrance to the lodge. Okay and. You get to set right tight up against log. They can't get into it without without hidden unless the whole is a lot bigger than than you know you're trap and that's what they discovered this beaver house actually. had. On the side, the side that was that was hitting all the time. Was I actually hit the second interested in space of twenty feet you know like in a half mark To comforts around the house, there were three of the F.. And I sent her one and it wasn't even the biggest one. The biggest one was was the one further to the left as as you're facing the BIEBER. So it was fascinating to look at all this and. Alert some interesting things. Off the. Water. And especially, a very, highly active house like that, and one of the things that struck me instantly as as as so interesting. Where's the fact that there is no mud in between those sticks underwater. What's going on is their own. Courage that they create as they swim in and out washes the mud of between have you ever sat on a beaver house and you you you're using stand your push down. It's spring, right? Yeah. It's spring. What happened visit you're you're actually too close to the house you need to step on a little bit and then you'll go down past that the. Lacy of willows enacted, they built the house side of that was covered with mud until the water came up and now it's it's washed open and it's like it's like A. You know some shade or an awning or whatever over top over, and I got to see all of this. You know like firsthand water had just gone not even weeds had grown up or anything right? So the water had just gone into. Thing. I was. The only make sense what you look at it in your light comes on. You know some of these experts that I talk I talk to you about about different stuff. One of them one vote will guy you know suzy seven and instantly yes I understand that but I never got there on. I just don't have that that. That he acts and it was the same thing with with this beaver thing when I looked at Houston. Yes. I understood why I was having trouble. You know you go out of your whole with the bike and you you can find the whole when you try to shove the standard down the standard now probably why why do it and it would. Be In this space and you'd move it a little bit. Laughing wasn't just one. There was a bunch of them that I couldn't understand what was going on. Now I said I. Don't visible and. Classes you're always learning. Yes I think if you ever wants to become the best countries out there, you should become a really good Trafford I. You understand animals so much better. Whether you're hunting or fishing hunting fly-fishing, whatever you have the advantage of distance. You have three yards or three hundred yards. You have that advantage of distance don't have to get so close but. Traffic a have to have at. Ku there woefully put their foot on two inch circle where I wanted or have to have them. Them to show their heads through that snare you know or or up to a body brick and That kind of stops you have to have a conversation with the animal and it's It's something that I'm understanding that I don't do well is is explained that kind of stuff I have more people come with me what do you? THINK ABOUT YEAH Exactly, you watch. If you ever watch any of my Especially, the Fisher marten stuff because we're always dealing with body grapes and they either one play or one sixty miles and and I put them in boxes and there's reason going boxing. For speed is for the I can't. I kinda stopped right birds. They're big deal around here. So Anyway you know, of course, you have those two springs and they have safeties on the right and a lot of people make a big deal about taking straight off before they. They put it in the Boston and I just I just pinched the. Body in by using springs against the size of the a boxer. I can't tell you how many emails I get every every time a a fisher. Martin show Ariza to see if not to take off on that. I might heads do it without even thinking about it. And I. Don't even realize I've done it anymore. That's the Kinda take he he somebody around. Ice Can look at it differently. Show me what it is that I'm doing that that is is unique because I, I just don't see it anymore I mean we we always. Instructors are good at Some of the best instructors can think. Through the eyes of of a person that that hasn't done it before. Yeah Yeah and for us. So much of it is is muscle memory. 'cause you're doing you know. You have a huge food I mean any day out check one, hundred, Sixty Martin, and and fishies out you know and so if it's if it's Bait, they were what? That's once a month. Up here are are beat, will actually crease drive. And you know that it's it's froze froze dry. When when the the. Pygmy shrews moving to your box because they won't eat them because it's like would to them or something right And it is cool. You'd appreciate this is a biologist they can take a Muskrat carcass during the prompting you could put in the system. will clear. Is it you don't eat any any of the not even the fine ribs on not even though spine ribons with the older meet. And So attack voice was his freeze dried like ended. A lot of stanton is lost a lot of attraction plus you know you they've made. To, go once somebody. Gets, over three months you've got to go and you've got to everyone of those Fox's you have to draw the crap out of. A screen. MEET OUT PUT, fresh meat in L. Every two weeks he puts pressure so. On, and off that, the machine was hardware the syllabi whatever you make a lot of mouths and. You know there's a there's a lot of work involved in. So, many of the trails the I. Have you know like? I like to keep my my sets right next to we have I don't know if you have on the. Size. Seismic clients, what it is it's from oil exploration. So. Okay. Well, you used to be they. They were grid and they were they were straight. They were probably you know. Three or four meters widen and. Knocked down trees and everything maybe go through and they laid out a three D.. Seismic. Charge in and they read back on. Formation from below all that kind of stuff right? So we have all these materials through the Bush and I like to have my as close as I can to to the edge so that you can just. On A. Machine and do but but there's an advantage should taking a few steps off because even if I parked the the machine on the far side of the jail have to walk across over. To It's no I create this trail and links lease follow my trails and especially because they can smell the beaver meat or the lure whatever's going on you know over on that set and he'll walk in walk right in my felt lakes character early. So that will that will follow whatever pack and So most of most of those trails all have vice news on route late. So you got to move the blinds near on your way way back up, battery reset and. Really busy digging and and things like oh You're a little on. Loggers. Catch. Every four as you do that and they take you three days cover. And they on the night of the third night you back, you head back home and then days later you started all over again. Well. That's it for this week guys. Hope you enjoyed that segment with rich now it's time for the cost brose deal of the week. Fifty percent off. Kyle Cox Book Open Water Beaver. Trapping made simple. You can use the code be the are fifty. That's B. V. R. AS IN BEAVER five zero. For. 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What Would You Do? Podcast Episode 112

Trapping Today

57:17 min | 1 year ago

What Would You Do? Podcast Episode 112

"One year got trapped. I liked I liked can make and I liked right where it'd be able to spend more wartime. I was losing money getting traps out. There is the hardest part I think with leave in the back of Montross asking for going to found no matter what somebody guide traffic. Take this is what you get to ask them. Guys you know everything this Arkansas and saw China learn something from pledging to ask questions without aspiration volume the game magazine especially for her. They're going hurt. Ran into our the whole too. Fattening Radio Trapper Carcelle me. That's pretty listened to the most developers system yet working good added to build big traffic. Very good pal told about these big hands most of my to coming from down. Aw probably the best. One Plane Predator Shush waiters. And even better you better back in the first. This is trapping today. PODCAST brought to you by Cox Brothers. Moore's trap Smarter Work Harder. Success follows you find. Those guys froze K. A. R. S. DOT COM. You guys great service traps lure bates books. EBD's everything get started traveling for harvesters fortune. Where the world comes by while I for harvesters is being remaining auction house in the wild for industry? These guys are trappers. And they're working getting the best prices for your that bird in front uh of a bunch of buyers on the international for market It is game time guys from per harvesters to get that I sent out. They are running routes as as we speak so if you WANNA get for in for the March auction which should be a big auctions e biggest international auction in the year and this you probably have about a week By the time you listen to this to get that for to a receiving wing area so you want to get over to harvesters dot com. There's several sections of that site But few go under the tab you may have to do this on your your Laptop may not work as well on mobile phone but go to trappers in rancher the TAB at the top of the page at for Harvesters Dot com go down to You have a few options. Here they're shipping to Fha and then pick up schedules and FHA agents. What I usually do go right to pick up schedules? You have a place for Canadian shippers and one for US shippers. So I am going to click on US shippers and pick up schedules link. Click on that and then it gives. US pickup schedules for all of the states. That the have For Harvesters pickup locations Alaska Arizona Colorado Connecticut Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Not Maine Michigan Minnesota Missouri Montana Nebraska New Hampshire New Mexico New York Nevada Ohio Oregon. Pennsylvania South Dakota Tennessee Utah Vermont Egmont Washington and Wisconsin. So there's a lot of places guys to to get your for picked up Mine in Maine Ame- pull this US up When you click on your state it should open up a PDF document? And that has the two thousand twenty auction schedule. The last receiving dates in the sale dates rates in the last receiving dates for this auction of January nineteen The sale date is March. Twenty eight to thirty one so this time in in my The main schedule. It shows a January eleven. There's a bunch of pickups in January eighteen there's a bunch there's actually actually some. There's some after that after January eighteen You may generic twenty two. You'RE GONNA if you if you get by January twenty two in Maine main. They're a little later than that last receiving day. That should still get your for into the Into the March auction. But after the twenty second. Or whenever you're state whatever your data's for your state around that twenty th January Your firs- knocking. We auctioned off likely until April because it takes them a lot of time together all the for together together and then they've got people grading sorting it going through that whole process getting it ready for the auction so I'm actually. Actually the other thing is too you. If you don't see a pickup area in close to you you should. You should really take a look at the pickup information down at the bottom there are there are some agents in. There's going to be the contact information for those agents so mine in Maine You know I get a guy down in in western Maine who is an agent and has his phone number right there so I just gave him a call and I say look My my closest location is is a little over two hours away and And I'm actually I actually have to be working in the woods that day Long ways away from from anywhere probably Ah probably be six hours away from that pickup location by how being dirt road in Snowy road an icy zero. So anyway I can't make it to that to that pickup but I I said. Is there any chance you're going anywhere else. That's not on the list. And he called me up a couple of weeks later and he did add a location he had had had to go to an area. That's an hour away from me. And so an a few days here implant on on going down there meeting him and bring in some for so always always check just because it's not on the list. There's always a possibility to To be able to to meet somebody see you or or maybe check with a fellow trapper. That can help you Maybe you can throw pelts together To make it worth the long trip to to get some for over to the auction So that's that's good in in. It's one thing that we all times we don't think about it or I don't think about it and then all of a sudden it's like a weak way. It's like Oh man man I'm not GonNa get my out if I if I don't get it now. Where am I going to sell it in it? Especially it's bad if you missed the the late auction 'cause this year ear the plan. Of course we don't know what's going to. I don't know what's going to happen with Nafta yet. When they're going to sell all of the for that that they have when they went bankrupt so that there could be an auction available for that for I do have some I still there and hopefully there's an auction of we see some money there air but I'm I'm not looking not very hopeful but if you if you don't get it in then you're going to have to really re run up against some options and you know one of the things I did is I did vacuum seal and freeze some marten pelts so that that's one option if the pelter small all you could vacuum seal them and get them in the freezer and and the last daily a couple years? No problem You you can look for a local buyer you can look for for actually you. You can ship for and you can. You can mail it via postal service FEDEX. UPS Yes it's GonNa be expensive But it's better than having first around that you don't you don't have a market for and you can't afford to pay to get hand so We always talked talked about that before. But I actually. I just shipped a box of twenty six beavers to One of our friends of the podcast out west who is a for buyer and So so it can be done. It was it was a little expensive. It was a little under four dollars. Appelt to ship those but You know it it it it can be done if you if you pack things in right and get their eight bucks the right size and You can get it done somewhat reasonably It's easier if you have smaller. Pelts also had a fellow trapper who oh lives down in Pennsylvania and he he was headed down in he has an FHA pickup but twenty minutes away from his house. So that was that worked so good. I threw some coyotes and with him too so You know I understand. Several people have contacted me and said hey look you know. This is not as easy as you think that. There's there's not a lot of you know especially trappers down in the south. We don't have a lot of markets. Were far away from anyone that wants are for and what I'm telling you right now now is you're not alone trapper up north in a state that produces some pretty good quality for and we still have a big challenges in getting our for to market and part of it I think is just living in a rural area and everything is far away as it is and as the markets the different markets dry up you know I had an Alfa receiving agent just Thirty minutes away and They're no longer taking first so all of a sudden the closest this is one is two hours away and that's just a pickup on on a Saturday morning twice a year so These are all things that we we are challenged with but Y- you know you if you're innovative creative and you you think of all your different options you can figure it out. You can find a way to get that I sent off and then I know you guys. These are are going to send for out to get tanned and Making into different for clothing items and I think that is just awesome if you only have a few pelts. I'd recommend commend that as well it. I think it's a really good option. So what's going on in my trap line. Well were pretty well wrapped up for most host species here in northern Maine In I I still have a lot of beaver trapping affair. Little bit of beaver trapping I WANNA do. But but I'M GONNA put that off from kind of taking a break from Trapping for about Oh about a month year and just kind of regrouping and and Catching up on other things that I fell behind with when I when I got into the start of the trapping season and preparing for a trip preparing. I'm for big trapping trip. You're probably not gonNA hear about it when I'm gone you only way you'll know I'm gone as I won't be responding to emails and and that will be for a period of close to three weeks you won't. You won't get any responses from me. You're gonNA hear podcast episodes but those are going to be preloaded and hopefully I do it right. Actually a screwed up the other day This last week's episode I posted hosted ahead of time because I was going in the woods and I didn't know when I'd be back and and so I posted up ahead of time and I just scheduled it to to come out. You can schedule your are your blog posts and podcast stuff to come out anytime you want now and I scheduled that to come out on Saturday night and I was in the woods through Sunday Sunday night. I got back Sunday night. I saw that posted. Everything looked good. All right awesome and funny one of the things that I listened to through a lot of different people online podcasts and and youtube videos and everything and some of them in the business world. Just because that's something that interests me Online business. Like what we're doing here with the podcast and website and all that and there's one guy called By goes by the name of Seth Godin. He's kind kind of a thought leader when it comes to online business. He's been doing it for. Since since the beginning of the Internet. Essentially and E- I don't agree with everything breath talks about. He's got a lot of different You know extremely liberal opinions and ideas and views. But he's incredibly smart person and and he has some some fascinating insights on psychology and People and emotional intelligence and how you work with other other people. How you how you sell to people in the right way All things that that we can all learn to to help ourselves in everyday life and one of the things. He talks about a lot in one of the key. Phrases he says is is how do you know are you. Putting out quality information formation quality content. He says the one way to measure that. Is You ask this one question. Will people miss you if you're gone in other other words if you don't show up will someone miss you and I had some people missing the podcast. So that was pretty awesome. On Monday morning I went to work just like yeah Every other day and I started having emails. Fire up on my phone and I just didn't really pay much. Attention is doing doing stuff. It's Kinda a busy and I get I had a quick break and I pulled up and hey Love Your podcast. By the way you forgot to attach the episode and other other and Hey you're episode didn't post I don't hear anything. Don't see anything on the site and all this and this is just people that were getting the the email newsletter the weekly newsletter. That shows the the the episode. You know I know a lot of you guys. Just get it when it comes out on On on either Apple podcasts or stitcher or spotify or whatever whatever platform you listen to so that that was really cool that that I thought wow. That's the first thing that came to mind was. Hey I had a few people miss me so it's it's good. It's good to know but anyway I screwed that up. And so I if I screw this up on on where I'm going I'm not gonNA have cell service for long extended period of time and I'm not going to know so I apologize ahead of time to listeners in Sponsors advertisers if if that happens will make up for it when I get back. But if things go smoothly You're going to hear an episode every week still and it's it's almost going to be like I'm not I didn't go anywhere except your emails will a probably have several hundred emails when I get back to to deal with which is okay. It'll be worth it But I I have been doing some more interviews. I've had some feedback from guys that that have been enjoying the these interviews lately of just every day trappers so so people that listen to the show and a lot of newer younger trappers trappers. Who who've gotten into it later on in life and and the The this kind of results resulted from several episodes ago when I was like. Hey if anybody wants to come on the PODCASTS. You know I'd I'd I think it'd be called interview. Some of you and I've had quite a few responses to that so I've done I have to that. I've done recently. I'm doing two more tomorrow and then possibly another one coming up shortly so we'll have quite a few of those and boy. It's been great. I've had had some really good conversations. I'm constantly amazed by the quality of people that listen to the show It's really cool. It's really cool all the sea so anyway enough of that That that's more that is coming up Speaking of people that listen to the show interviews remember. We had Vince on from Washington. Then he talked cage-trapping I just wanted to give a quick shout out to Vince He has a put up put together a youtube channel. It's called trapped out ATV and he just put up a few videos on that just recently started I subscribed and watch those pretty awesome stuff. So it's cool to you. Talk with somebody about their trap. Line and what it's all about. And what they do. And you know he talked about eastern Washington and cage-trapping and you can kind of visualize July that but but it it makes it all you know it. It's so much cooler. When you can having heard it you can actually look and see all the scenery in the background and the type aground? He's trapping and so one of the videos show. He goes right through setting up a cage for Bob Cats. He actually shows where he he. They caught a Bob Cat in the cage. WJR He shows how he says. Be beaver traps Those those live traps The the suitcase style. And it's pretty Nicole so Check that out it's trapped out TV. And that's Vince from Washington. Let's go from Washington over to to Wyoming more specifically Jackson Hole Wyoming Jackson hole is not much like the rest of the state. When you think Wyoming you think ranching country mountains open Very low population very conservative old school farmer rancher type of communities Jackson Hole. If you're not familiar is is the tourist destination of Wyoming and it is a place that kind of like Sun Valley in Idaho has attracted a whole pile of people who have a lot of money in our come from Bourbon areas and As a general rule. I know it's not good to judge people based on their background. But let's just say the vast majority these people have more of an Not all of them but the vast majority of an anti trapping type of of Personal viewpoint or or personal viewpoint of being a very friendly to animals and very unfriendly to host who a harvest animals. So let's let's put it at that. I think there's a lot of things that we can do to To to understand more about about those viewpoints and for those people to understand more about what we do. But but that being said there are a lot of people in Jackson Hole area who recreate who who like to go skiing and snowshoeing and see wildlife and and have their dogs and their pets running around on public land and so. This article came across my desk a few weeks ago and it was very interesting article. I posted suited up on trapping today DOT COM for those who don't follow the blog website. You can you can check that out. there's a bunch of articles if you just listen to the podcast. You don't see any of that stuff. So that's on trapping today DOT COM and this article is it's written by the local newspaper there in Jackson hole and they're talking about a the situation a pretty controversial situation that came to light. I wanted to discuss go into it a little bit just to go through the thought process of of what you do in this situation. What how how we should approach it and think about it and maybe just just throw it out there? I would love to get your feedback on on what you would do or your your your your your thoughts on this now. One of the caveats here when I read this article is there's been a lot of. There's this group that it is called Wyoming entrapped and this group has has pushed a against trapping on public lands in it particularly in this area. And there's I've heard some things about potentially you know this may be being spoofed article Particularly since the trapper was not named Or something along those lines. There's the story might have been made up or or whatever I don't looking in more recent information that come has come to light. Don't think that's the case. I may have just been the case of an unfortunate situation but Just keep that in mind just always always think about. Oh you know what I'm GonNa sit at sit back. I'M GONNA go to an article. I just found in North Carolina because this is a perfect example activists call on Amazon to stop selling bear traps after three legged bears found in North Carolina. Now this article article of talking about three legged bears North Carolina's from January seven twenty twenty. Now I don't have the best memory in the world but I recall a year ear to ago reading an article about three legged bears in North Carolina and Something along the lines of Ah We should ban foothold traps because her three legged bears and it's the most outrageous thing because we all know that None of the traps that can be used. In North Carolina. China will hold a bear to begin with And even if they did hold a bear they'd catch him by by toe and there will not be a three legged could bear running around. We all know this for a fact so someone got a picture of three laid bare and started circulating that picture and created rated this whole narrative that Yeah traps are are killing our maiming. All these bears and we need to band trap. So it's it's it makes you really roll. Oh you're is it's it's unbelievable. How ridiculous the stuff is sometimes a but but that's a perfect example of something the public is going to believe that But when you're eating these things just always have a little healthy level of skepticism. Just to be sure that that that you You know don't dive in headfirst. Listen to all these things. Were without the full realization of what what might be actually going on. So let's get back to the Wyoming Article Trapper forewarns public about line up cash. Cash cash is spelled H. E. Interesting word cash. The word refers to a place where valuable things things are stored for later travel so cat. A lot of the creeks out West or called Cache Creek and actually when when I was in Utah there is an area called cash valley in in the interesting thing about that is that word and the naming of different areas. uh-huh with cash in them came from the mountain man days when the mountain men would store caches of supplies caches of gear caches of of I traps or I and they would storm in places to return. Pick them up later on so trapper forewarns orange public about line up cash. A man who says he has set a trap line at one of the valley's most popular dog-walking spots set off a flurry we've commentary on social media. The recent transplant from Star Valley posted on the facebook page Jackson hole for sale. classifieds warning people who have tamper with his traps that he would report them authorities on facebook. He created an account under the name. Chris Brasher the news in guide. Reporter interviewed the Trapper trapper. And Determined Bratcher was a pseudonym. The reporter confirmed the trappers actual name but editors agreed not to print it because of the inflammatory subject. Editors decided the public public benefit of this article called for an exception to our usual policy of not granting anonymity. It was a previous stint in the valley when he worked at Bhartiya. Bharti five covered wagon cookout that hatched the idea of trying to catch fur-bearing species on cache creek while employed by the Chuck Wagon. He noticed just that Wyoming game and fish department personnel were setting live traps to move black bears out of the low part of the drainage on the edge of town. I figured if you have a bear coming in the trapper told newsmen and guide you'd have everything coming in additionally he thought it would be wise to run a trap line at cash because he'd heard the leash law in the area that could help keep free roaming dogs out of his sets The leash it says here. The leash requirement applies only to the parking lot. Not where the man says. His traps are actually set. On Sunday morning he took to social media to let people know it's a well off the trails. The no dogs get caught in them hero in a facebook page post I have might traps tampered with in stolen. I have now put a game cam up and we'll be sending our. I've had my traps tamper with stolen. I have now put a game game up. And we'll be sending pending further incidents to the game wardens and please tempering with traps as illegal in Wyoming though there are exceptions in two thousand sixteen game and fish department altered regulations to allow. Oh any person to release accidentally caught non fur-bearing non predators trappers notice set off a debate about the wisdom of running a trap line at one of the most most visited nooks of the bridges Teton National Forest which is particularly popular with dog walkers in the wintertime. I'm sure you're a decent guy and hopefully you'll realize what you're doing is wrong Jackson resonant destined Peters wrote in one of one hundred plus comments that amassed even if it is legal trapping in a very heavily used area is still wrong it will hurt the reputation of hunters and trappers ultimately getting more restrictions placed on all of us just because he can doesn't mean you should it being a facebook discussion in the discourse predictably degenerated into a try ballistic into tribal name calling. And that's why I don't get in facebook discussions. I'd be happy to have him trap anywhere near where I live because I'm not an insufferable imbecile and I'm perfectly capable of keeping my animals safe at all times caitlyn Roberts wrote in response to another post from Peter's in a phone interview. The man stood by his decision and said he plans to run a trap line at Cache Creek through the winter. Roughly his traps are located on the south outside of the creek downstream from the bridge preceding the main parking area. He's using three styles of traps. Body gripping devices called Connor bears that are set injuries intended tended to catch Pine Marten and also foothold in live traps that are targeted at Fox in raccoons. It's public land in. It's my public land just like anybody else's says the man said I have the same rights that they do. Cache Creek has been at the center of a community debate about trapping historic outdoor pursuit that attracted famous mountain men to the northern rockies in the nineteenth century responding to a request from the advocacy group Wyoming untrapped the Wyoming Game Fish Department proposed designated knitting knitting the cash drainage downstream of no carmine. Draw as a trap free zone in two thousand fifteen. The Game Fish Commission disagreed. So the the department's departments suggested or proposed this but the game and fish commission is officials who are on board that Vote on rules that are recommended by the department They rejected the trat free zone by five to one vote. Some members of the board at the time acknowledged that they didn't even know where cache cache creek was but opposed the measure because it had the fingerprints of a group that sought to end fur-trapping. So that's hey that's a good sign if you're in Wyoming you gotTA aboard game of Game Fish Commission. That's in support trappers. That's for sure. Lisa Robertson Wyoming on traps founder said having an active trap lining cache creek is motivation for for her to again pursue regulations. That create trap free areas and trail setbacks if there's a trapper who has the judgment to put traps and busy areas than we need to get rid of those and we need to stop it. Robertson said Monday. It's a bad idea to have traps in that area period. It's a very busy highly used area. And that's the last place. I'd put my trap line if I were trapper. Rapper because trappers often use scented bates to attract targeted animals. Robertson said. It's only a matter of time for dogs. Caught the trapper said he had no desire or to catch up injure anyone's pet. I'm taking more precaution than regulations require. He said and I think I'm being very cautious about it. So that's the end of the article. Let's give it give it a little bit of thought and the the first question that I'm going to pose for you think about it is in. I know this question probably indicates that I I have an opinion one way or the other I I kind of have a nuance opinion on this But but I'll ask this question just because something is legal to do. Should you do it. So let's get into a little bit of a philosophical discussion on on this whole deal The the thing that I'm GonNa do is what I just did is took a notebook and I just made a lesson in. This is very typical. Michael and I do this all the time and other people do this a lot I just made a list of pros and cons of this decision but I have a couple of boundaries Around the pros and cons on this notebook I have. I have a big word on the very top in between the pros and cons in it. I circled it. That word is information and so at at the very beginning. Just the way I'm thinking about. This is any decision. ACITION that that you are I make on whether we think this should have been done or not. We need to recognize that we do not have all the information The article I thought was pretty good in terms of laying everything out there on the situation. But I've never been up as far as I know. I spend spend a little time round Jackson Hole. But I don't believe ever been up Cache Creek And the actually. Maybe I have been in that part of the forest but anyway anyway. Obviously I don't remember so I I can't tell you how much use this gets on a daily basis. Is there half a dozen people on Skis or snowshoes. Is there Fifty people a day. I I have no idea I don't know what kind of forest it is. I don't know what you know. What the Ferber Ribeira population looks like? How how far for Dr is it? there there are a number of different things. How far out of town is is it? The number of different things that that we do not have all the information on so it's always important to to think in terms of service that background of of what you have for information. This is one of the things that living in a rural area. It's it's very frustrating when When you you have issues political issues where people enroll areas are represent the minority of the voting public? However a Lotta times when issues come up that affect rural areas those people are the ones that have the vast majority of the information? That's used to make an informed decision and so it it always seems that and I know I'm getting off topic here but I think it's necessary to talk about you. Know a lot of people you've heard probably heard the term and before The the the best government is the one that's closest to you and so local government works very effectively because people people are engaged and know what's going on The further you get away from local government you get to county government you get to state government and federal government government the further away you get from local the the less effective that governance gonNA be in the the less people are going to be very fond of the decisions. The government makes because those decisions are less likely to reflect the knowledge that that local people have on in the situation. So what I'm saying is from Maine or West Virginia or North Carolina or Florida or Alberta Saskatchewan California. Wherever you're listening from just just remember that we don't have all the information so our decision is kind of going to be couched within within that Little a bit of a caveat and then below the pros and cons. I have a couple of arrows going from pros and cons to center of the page and and I've got a thing where stars around it and I wrote down trappers decision and so that's the other thing we need to recognize is that this is a free the individual who we believe based on the information. We have made a legal decision to do something that he has every right to do. And so Those with those two things in being considered and I I've never taken a philosophy course. I don't know if I'm way off topic on this or or touching on some of the the ideas but recognize that we are outside of this this fear of of this This whole scenario and so we don't. I'll have all the information and even when we do come to a decision we need to recognize that This guy this individual has the right to make a decision. That's different from ours and so those things being considered. Let's let's look at the pros and cons I'm GONNA touch on the pros. I and and The this is the pros and cons of setting a trap line up cache creek considering all the things that we heard about in the article. The number one pros. This is legal. This trapper as far as we see in the article is not doing anything against the law. He has the right to trap by Wyoming Trapping regulations in that area. So okay. You know it's legal. He's he's the the people who hike that trail trail legally have a right to be there to I'm so they're not doing anything legal's not stealing his traps and he did ask you know he had some trap stolen said. Look I'm I put cameras up and appreciate this The second pro. These are all my opinion again. You know this is just what I seen. I love to hear from you if he had any other thoughts. That are different on the second pro is the guy went above and beyond The legal requirements and he actually posted. You know I'm going to be trapping in this area. I'm setting traps in Syria. Here's generally where they're located and I don't intend to catch any animals. I I want you to know about that and I I don't WanNa catch your pets but please keep him on a leash Sounds like there's a misunderstanding there. He thought they had to be on a leash If if indeed they did have to be on a leash then you know. That's that's pretty big pro there. He he went above and beyond and told people where the where the sets were to try and help them avoid their dogs being caught in the traps Beyond beyond the legal thing. I mean Well let's more on the legal. You know this is in addition to being legal by I tapping regulations. This is public land and everybody owns public land. Everybody who is citizen of the United States owns public land and so he did have the right to be out there doing what he did. And and it gets into beyond the the legal Rights that this trapper had did he have sort of a philosophical right To be out there trapping in fulfilling a desire within within himself that was not breaking any laws and in theory knocking to harm anybody else. Just like the skier had a right eight to go and And Ski that trail and and fulfil that desire as well So so so. That's a consideration. I think I don't know I. You know one person if you guys you know Tyler Selden Who's on the show? The last Alaskans trapper up. There he's the only person yeah I've ever heard of who who has a degree in philosophy and is a trapper so maybe someday I could get chance to pick tyler his brain about this stuff That'd be awesome What I have one other pro here in and this is something that you you know just kind of thinking outside the box? A little bit to the strapper did is that it wasn't. This was an educational experience dance and it raised awareness. Now I know there's there's negatives to that as well but but there is some positive aspect of showing people that there are still trappers offers around. They are citizens. Who are you know not Crazy mountain men or or Lowlifes in society diety and they there. This is a legal act. And they're not the intention is not to catch your pets and so it kind of raise the little bit of awareness there so so there's to me there's some value to that. Increased awareness increased education nation of fee for people on on On what the strapper was doing. I kinda ran out of pros so I get a list list of cons. I think I have just as the same number pros and cons in coincidentally But the the first the first con that I have have is while this has potentially been an educational awareness Situation that that may we have had some positives. I think the positives were weighed by potentially the bad public relations that this may have resulted in fur trappers so so there was in addition to people who didn't really know much about trapping and Oh yeah good cool. That's you know that's legal and the guys doing it that's cool. There's probably a lot of people who didn't even who who never thought that trapping was legal in that area to begin with and they never saw trapper there before so They had no idea in and they just went about their thing. And there's trappers and other areas that they never saw and everybody was happy life And now you're taking an area where all the sudden you're giving your increasing the awareness of of what's going on Unfortunately though you know we always talk about this on a podcast is telling more people your trapper and showing more people. You know what you're doing and and I I firmly believe that that's a positive and I. You heard me tell Josh the other day that the interview we had that I believe the majority of of the Public would side with trapping if they were able to experience it and see what we did Jackson Hole. Wyoming is not the majority of the Public Doc. Okay this is a select. Few that record on public lands in Jackson Hole Wyoming on these trails near pre presumably the A heavily travelled area. These are the people who are closer to that. Twenty percent not the eighty percent. That didn't go either way Maybe the ten percent that are are opposed the ten or twenty or whatever that is that small percentage that are are very opposed to any type trapping Were pulling from a pretty big pool. Those Jackson Hole Wyoming And I know offense to guys that are from Jackson Hole. Don't feel that way But but you know what what I'm saying. So you're taking a an issue and you're blowing up right in the middle of a bunch of people that are naturally inclined to be opposed to you to begin with. That's a bad thing in my view. The second con- you could catch a dog man. You could catch a dog. You got footholds. There are and I don't know again novel. Don't have all the information. I don't know how far these were from the trail But if you see there's guys that have been catching in dogs around the country. I see articles here and there There was one in Montana Missoula. That was an illegal set. The Guy Dog died it was it was a three thirty set on ground highly. Highly illegal the guy the guy went to court. He paid a big fine. I think he serve some time in jail. Actually In you know that's a problem. That's that but we obviously that's an illegal activity. That's not a trapper. That's not someone they. The guy didn't even know he didn't even read the trapping rules or by attracting license He just put it out there so so crazy stuff right. And there's no need to add to that crazy staff by legally doing something that catches a dog and and it's only footholds get it but catching a dog and a foothold. It's not a big deal if you do it in a place where you know. The dog owner knows what they're doing and the dog owner can just easily pull that trap open and let the dog go the again. This is a group of people that when Noah trap if they saw it most of them and so if they catch a dog. It's GONNA be a big call the cops call the game wardens. Get everybody in the SWAT team in here. And and Raise a big fuss. And everything's in the news and other dog a cop trapper and Blah Blah Blah and we need to raise awareness. And we're going to start fundraisers and and we need to band trapping So that's that's another con another con is I thought about whether this was a i. Put a question mark narrative it seems uses though even though this was philosophically possibly are potentially a right this trapper had it also kind of seems a little inconsiderate And I think about that in terms of let's say you were it's not like Wyoming's run out of places places for people to trap right so let's say you had a similar situation on that trail and it was open to. I don't it probably isn't I don't know what it is. But let's say it was open to motorized use as well and so these people are out there Skiing and what their dogs and you take your snowmobile and you go at top speed and zoom raped by him on snowmobile. You didn't do anything illegal. But don't you think maybe that that was a little inconsiderate of of those people you know if you again defending the situation maybe the snowmobile was is legal. Or maybe you had to go to area And you had to pass through that trail in that case maybe slowdown may be stop and say. Hey how's your day. How's how's it going But but there you always should be taking Taking that into consideration how other people feel about how what you do affects other people Yes it might be legal. Does that mean it's OK. Does that mean you should do it. the fourth con-. This is a motivator for the anti trapping crowd and it may they have turned Some people who were were somewhat on the fence to Ordinarily carry their way to maybe maybe a little more towards trying to ban trapping in this area at least on this trail network so you just took something that everything was kind of left be you know maybe a little education would be good but All all of a sudden you've added fuel to the fire these people who don't really like the idea of of possibly having traps on that trail they don't own it. I get it. But you've added fuel to their fire and kind of given them a little motivation to work against us as trappers at that. That's a little difficult all to to navigate because at the same time you know if there were a bunch of trappers that had been using that trail previously maybe people would be less likely to walk their dogs on it and ski on Iraq create on that trail with their pets so It's really a tough deal where you know if you had an area where you were trapping This particular trail system for years and years and years. But you know I think I when I hear this I think Mike Day in Missoula Montana if if you Mike Woo will longtime member of Montana Trap Association. I'm not sure what he's been doing lately but he's got to be in his eighties by now he was there. He was all when I was there and and he was always in. He still is in the letters to the editor in the MISSOULA newspaper Going back and forth with with the anti trapping crowd and the crowd that wants to to ban Trapping Ping on public trails and all that and When I think of that I think you know? He's he's probably been in that area for many decades and that area was much different thirty forty fifty years ago. There weren't all these people. There wasn't this huge city and it wasn't all these folks who have no background in hunting fishing trapping and just won't go and walk their dogs and they're on these trails now and guys that used to trap are our kind of being pushed out so I I do feel that as well so I don't WanNa feel you make it seem like drap or just get out of the way and go find someplace else to trap trap because we I do recognize that there. There's there's potential there for US loose a little ground in places like this so I get it I think But but this is really you know overall I think this potentially would the con here is is is Not only boost efforts of the anti crowd but I also put One last con that. This could hurt trappers in other other areas. trappers that have heard about this and are people who have heard about this and other areas wanting to make sure Oh. Let's we'd better make sure sure that we never. We don't have anybody trapping on this particular trail. We better make sure that we we changed the law and make it so that they can't trap here in the future. A lot of that stuff gone Mexico right now. A very very similar situation so We get the pros pros and the cons It was legal. He went above and beyond to inform he. It was public land. He had the right to use it just like anyone else. He had. Maybe a philosophical rate as trapper to go out there and enjoy himself and It did bring some awareness to who trappers are and and the fact that we're still around the cons bad awareness bad public relations For this particular community overall. I think you could catch a dog and make it worse. potentially inconsiderate Just because you can do it I it's it's having potentially negative impact on people in in you know you just venture pansies in there but you know people who don't know any better in their walking their dog on a trail and they don't know what a trap looks like and they think maybe my dog could get caught in at any moment any bender turn around the bend the trail in and they read this article about a dog got caught in another place. And you know there's a little bit of emotional Fear and And you know that's not good. It's it's it's negatively affecting other people's experience even though we don't agree with them even though they may not have any danger whatsoever. It's not about the facts. It's about how they feel and so I think it's important to consider that Because even if even if you don't like it Their feelings do matter when it comes to voting and and and funding these anti trapping efforts This another doc CON boost the effort to the anti crowd in her choppers and other areas. So so that's in a nutshell in my view In the end and it was the trappers decision whether we could discourage it or encourage it whether we like it or not. He had that decision to make. And that's what he did now a couple of questions. What would you do an and I love to hear from you? Send me an email. J. Rod would gmail.com Mel Dot Com J. R. D. W. O. O. D. at gmail.com. Let me know what you would do in this situation. what or what do you think what you think he should have done. I guess that's the same question What would I do? Well my personal decision based Jason Little Bit I know about the general area And based on my Tendencies as an individual. I just want to be left alone. Most of the time and I don't WanNA bother other people. I don't WanNa be bothered. That's why I live in the area that I live in It you know in general. It's pretty good 'cause I can't I look in all directions and I can't see neighbor anywhere I like that. I would've found another trail out found a place that did not have traffic on it. from from the recreation public At at that level assuming that there's a pretty good level traffic on on that trail. I would've gone somewhere else. Now if I was limited. If there wasn't a whole lot of traffic there If I didn't have other places to trap I probably would've trapped there but I wouldn't have said a foothold on the ground And and I wouldn't upset. Ah Pro I probably would only have set Body grips up in the trees for Martin and maybe set a cage trap or two. You had one of my wanted to do that But but I'd run a little Martin lineup and the trees and you'll maybe maybe run into some skiers. Hey how's it going. Yeah I'm I'm checking some Martin traps. Just thought you know they're up up in the air the only catch Martin or weasel. They're not gonNA. There's no chance of catching your pet or anything. I'm being respectful of that. And you're at us the trail too and I hope you respect my right To to use it as a trapper as well so you know you get yelled out a little bit. Maybe from some people but I think majority people be like. Hey that's pretty cool. Okay or I don't really like that but thanks for letting me know or You just walk by and say. Hey how's it going. Don't don't let them know your trapper. I guess there's there's a lot of ways to to approach things. Depending depending on who the person is that you're that you're interacting with so so that's I guess that's what I would have done I I would have. I would go elsewhere to trap or I would have trapped in very limited mayor that would not have affected other members of the public. But that's my opinion. Not Saying that's the right way Just that's just me. And and everybody's GonNa feel a little different probably now some there's an update to the story. Follow up There is a new new article from the Jackson Hole. News Guide and it's titled Cash Traps Removed Trapper cited so remember we said was assuming that everything thing the traffic was doing was legal So we get the rest of the story here. says a trap line. That caused an uproar due to its location nation near the well trodden cache. Creek trail head has been removed by Wyoming game and fish department warden. Who cited the man who set the traps warden? Kailash cited the trapper with failure to check his traps within the required seventy two hour period and also for not tagging his traps. Those are non bond both fences that cannot be settled by paying a fine. The man has twenty January twenty. Three court date lash removed six traps from the cache creek area early this week after he determined with game cameras that the trapper had violated the check time requirements on Tuesday night lash was able to make contact with the trapper who helped the warden find and remove two more traps that had not been located earlier. Lashed did not name the trapper. Because game and fish policy that does not allow department personnel to identify suspects violations until cases. have been adjudicated The Jackson Hole News Guy previously verified the man's identity granted anonymity. He will be identified imprint. After his appearance in Teton Don County Circuit Court Lash said. The trapper was contrite and admitted to not checking his traps as frequently as the law requires he was real helpful and apologetic Thornton said there were two other traps. I didn't know about that. He helped me find. Jobs must be marked with tags. Entrap origination numbers in Wyoming trapper toll. Last she had chap tags on order order had written in permanent marker on some of the traps but others weren't marked in violation of the law and lash opted to cite him. Cache Creek is one of the most used areas the tire birger Teton national forest especially popular in the wintertime when wildlife winter closures make other parts of the valley off limits. Interesting many trappers rappers. Don't bother with the area because of the potential conflict for conflict with pets. There you go just last weekend. A pet dog named bub-bubba that's That's another story so anyway this Yet goes it just repeats a couple of other things things In a in the end says in his mind he said he didn't think he was creating an issue because everyone would have their dog's leash that's what he thought. But of course the leash law only applied the parking lot so anyway. It's all kind of moot because trapper was breaking the law anyway And he got caught and is probably a good thing. it's unfortunate How how that thing Kinda played out but at the very least guys was good exercise and thinking about how we would approach approach certain things and who knows? Maybe it'll help you think in the future on your trap line When you have a decision to make like that Help if you make make what you feel is right decision in the long term in the best interests of of US trapper and of other trappers and trapping community as a whole so. Oh with that long winded discussion. Thank you guys very much for tuning in stay tuned For for some interviews coming up appear spare soon and Checkout my book for-profit chapters in the modern firm ARC. If you don't have a copy of that that it's only twelve and you can get just about anywhere and you can get my long distance call lure for a couple more weeks six. 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Fur Market Woes and Alaska Snaring: Podcast Episode 121

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Fur Market Woes and Alaska Snaring: Podcast Episode 121

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Things may have changed by the time you listen to this because right now things are changing from day to day with the stock market's the commodities oil markets corona virus and the firm market. Everything's kind up in the area now so in just the past few days since I recorded last week's episode we've had the corona virus kind of exploded in the United States worldwide. It's now considered a pandemic by the World Health Organization It is it is one of those things that overall deaths. It's not really a big compared to a lot of other causes of death. It's almost a drop in the bucket but at the same time there is so much fear surrounding this thing spreading Much to to grow to a much larger thing that it is rate now that fears what drives markets. You know. Fear fear ingred. Are the two things that drive. Markets are one of the pieces of advice from Warren Buffet who is one of the richest people in the world and has been incredibly successful. He's Costa Ninety years old and he He is a very successful investor. One of his big pieces of advice is to be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful with that means is It's it's kind of a a an overall statement about the how the markets work in in any economy markets driven by emotion because people are are the ones that are making these decisions. People emotions are swung back and forth between fear and greed The stock market was filled with the greed emotion for the past at least the past year. Where the Dow Jones Industrial Averages has been Sky High? It's it's break breaking new records all time highs almost thirty thousand from you know lows of six to eight thousand back in two thousand and eight two thousand nine. We had the last crash and everybody felt that there could. There could be no wrong in the markets and things discontinued to go up and up and up over the course of ten years A whole new group of investors have entered the market that don't have an understanding of the history of the last crash so there's a feeling of everything is great and we're all making money and that's when one needs to be fearful on the other hand all of a sudden things changed on a dime overnight. We had news of the corona virus outbreak In every single day seemed to get worse and worse we also had a recent issue with oil The OPEC the biggest oil producing nations in the world are there. They're group that comes together and decides how much they're each nation is going to produce in order to maintain prices Acceptable prices for oil and so if OPEC nations produce less oil. The price tends to go up and so they make more money on every barrel of oil that the export and if they Flood the market and produce more oil than the price tends to go down as you would guess with typical supply and demand issues at the last meeting of OPEC which was a couple of weeks ago. The major countries could not come to an agreement particularly. I believe it was Saudi Arabia and Russia could not agree on supply cuts and so they had a falling out and decided that I think Saudi Arabia responded to Russia's lack of desire to To cut their oil production by saying fine. You guys don't want you don't want to join in and cut. Production will flood the market and drive prices down to almost nothing and Russia said fine will do the same and so these countries are are right now announcing huge increases in the supply of oil that they are going to get out in the next several months and at the same time. Vladimir Putin the leader of Russia has stated publicly that US shale producers Of Oil domestic production here in the United States you shall producers need to pay and he basically wants to put them out of business so the almost overnight how this past weekend Oil prices dropped by twenty five percent and they have continued to drop through early in the week and so prices are are at the lowest. They've been in at least five or six years and even when they when they did this last time they they did not remain this low for a very long time on but with with more increases in supply. They're being announced. It seems like every day other nations are announcing their increase their supply We haven't seen the worst of this. And so this means a couple of different things number one The United States oil producers have a higher cost of production than than Russia and Saudi Arabia. So they're gonNA suffer and likely if nothing changes. They are going a lot of them are going to go out of business stopped producing oil. So we're going to be importing a lot of our oil where also means is that countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia remember. Russia is a country that buys a large amount of the for that we produce here in in the United States. As while for producers and Russia's economy is very dependent on the price of oil and their their oil revenues so it appears that Russia is less concerned about the economic wellbeing of people there. And they're more concerned punishing the United States Shell oil producers Because they're going to drive this oil prices low as they can get it I think the hope is that long-term the US producers who are have been taking a greater and greater share of the market because of this big shale oil boom in the western United States. The hope among other countries in the world is that the low prices will force a US shale producers to go out of business and then they can jack the prices back up But that's something that will take years to accomplish if if indeed it can be accomplished and I don't know as as our political leaders in the United States are going to allow that to happen but that is not directly related to trapping so I won't go into more detail except to say that the two big things here. The Corona virus and the oil prices are are two two huge huge issues. That have just come up in the past. Several days and the stock market has been tanking. IT IS I. It seems to be going lower every day. It'll bounce a little up just a little bit and drop back down and so the market is in really really difficult shape right now. All of these things affect the price for wild for and so even as of the things that I said in last week's podcast as of last week Situation has already changed so much That I don't know how accurate anybody's predictions were as of just a week ago. So I believe what I said. Was that yes. We're in a low in the market but I think we may possibly be pleasantly surprised by the results of the For Harvesters auction coming up. That is still a possibility But it's a looking glass in Lhasa. Likely as information changes we have to change Our Outlook and I think that The main issue here is it. You know oil plays a part in it for shore That's more of a longer term issue but the immediate issue is the corona virus and China has Really clamped down on. It's It the people in the country. They've they've had these mass quarantines people haven't been going to work people have been producing things. It is interrupting supply chains throughout the world because a lot of stuff is produced in China. China also uses a lot of raw materials. China uses a lot of raw for and makes it into further coats and other items that are sold to people in other countries. There is a potential here that these quarantines are going to the corn teens and the related fallout from that is going to cause huge disruption in the wild for market in the short term. I think there's potential that buyers are not going to be able to get for China so if that is the case which we know as we've heard you know either way whether that's a reality but indications are that maybe that's where we may be headed and if they don't allow any firm to China We're GONNA have a hard time selling are for and so the big thing that I just saw today was a Grunwald for wool company. Just made this big announcement as of March eleven. Which is the day that I am recording this all. Usa routes are suspended. Unfortunately in groenewold again remember is Probably the biggest pro one of the biggest private buyers wild for in the United States if not the biggest they say unfortunately due to the unprecedented conditions in the wild for industry we will only be accepting Rakai O. N. beaver at our forest facility. All you that's that's where their main basis but again girl typically runs routes all throughout the country. All United States routes are suspended at this time. Canadian depots remain scheduled. When the situation improves we will consider rescheduling the suspended routes. So they're not. They're not driving around taking any for right now. This is a big deal Without getting into too much detail like I did Texts with Kyle. Cots cost brothers lures. He has a good handle on the pulse of the firm market and You know there's there's a lot of potential downside right now. Let's just let's just put it that way so basically from from the time you hear this you're GonNa if you listen right off you're going to be about ten days out from the for Harvesters Auction And I don't know as anybody knows what's going to go on an auction I think this is you know for a long time. We've been saying will. This is going to set the the market for wild for a markdown. He has said that. I've I've agreed with him on that and You know this is the first major auction where there's a bunch of buyers and a bunch of for Vailable and people competing for firm will really know how things shake on what the market's doing because of these disruptions these potential disruptions. I'm not sure that we're GONNA have a true Real free market situation here now. There are some reasons to maybe be a little bit. Optimistic number. One for harvesters has a full fully functioning remote bidding where buyers can stay remain rate in China and they can bid from China on on wild for for that action so in theory. Nobody even needs to show up at F- at the The location in Toronto To bid on fern at that doesn't need to happen so that's that's not going to theoretically that would not affect Buying her there there has been you know. Fha They want to get this first old and they want to get as many buyers as possible and they're working to do that. My understanding is that they have the ability to provide some incentives for buyers including lowering the commission rates and the biggest thing in my opinion Holding on agreeing to hold onto for for a set amount of time So that in the event that there are issues with importing for into China at there there will be time for these fair buyers and China to sort that out and so this all kind of remains to be seen the there. There's just there's no real solid information about what's going on because I don't know as anybody knows for sure exactly what's going on what's going to happen over the next several days in several weeks. My thoughts my advice Remember that second part of Warren Buffett statement be greedy when others are fearful when the market goes down like this. I mean if if if you're a risk taking type of person this might be an excellent opportunity to get your buyers license and go out and start picking up some cheap raccoon and Muskrat and beaver and put him in freezers When everybody's panicking it's likely that the downside is lower than it really should be based on all the economic indicators and all the the situation supply and demand and and what actually what the market actually should look like in a rational situation people just Make decisions based on on fear and emotion so I think this is an opportunity for somebody to make a whole heck of a lot of money because we may see some very loafer prices moving forward but we we also may see some pretty substantial recovery in the next couple of years. This corona virus thing is temporary. We know that because China Their first cases were just a few weeks ago and they already appear to have mostly contained The just the the most recent update I saw was China announced ten new cases in the last day. And so they they put these strict quarantines in place they shut everything down and it appears to have been successful in stopping the virus from further spreading at some point this is going to Other countries are gonNA figure this out. come up with practical quarantine measures and get this Get this thing taken care of and figured out. Slow down And then of course within the year we should have a vaccine based on Most people's opinions that are in the industry. There should be a vaccine ready for this. And then it'll be something that's considered maybe not much different than the regular flu. There's going to be a disruption in markets all across the world for all different items in wildfire is no exception however we are. This is a temporary situation. We are going to recover from it and remember. There's only a limited amount of wild for out there. The economics of the Ranch for industry have not changed the supply in there and she hasn't changed has been the huge glut of ranch mink in in the markets that is going to dry up in the next year or two. It's taken a little longer than we expected. Because of all these other things going on economically however at some point that's going to dry up in is going to be a few years before ranchers Re vamping their supply and in raising more animals in their only gonNA do that when prices recover. A wildfire is a limited quantity Very limited supply as a very low supply right now when the demand comes back. There's not gonNA be as much for out there available on the market as there was in the past so I think the future is still bright for wildfire And and that's not a popular view. Most people don't agree with that because most people think based on emotions most people think based on what has just happened. Not What is going to happen? I don't say that I don't say that to be condescending. I don't say that to to act like I know anymore than anybody else don't But I just look at the facts that everybody else has access to and I may be things a little bit differently. I think I think we're still headed for better prices in the next couple of years. This this these two big punches of the oil prices and the krona virus have just kind of delayed things by six to twelve months perhaps But but we see this everywhere we see this in the beef cattle industry a little bit and we see this with cattle You know supply and demand in cycles. With any commodity. You'RE GONNA see those ups and downs and in everybody. The producers are all Reacting on what has happened in the past and and very few of them are proactive. Thinking about the future but those few are the ones that are the most successful and they're the ones that stand business When things are low those are the guys that That boost their supply that are buying into markets when prices go and are there to sell when prices are high. And there's all kinds of people trying to get in so just keep that in mind. I don't know most of you probably that's not gonNA affect you Those of you. Who have for in the for harvesters auction. I wish you luck. You know I've got quite a bit of for and they're not you know not a lot compared to a lot of other guys but I've I've got probably half of the value of the further. I've I've trapped this year is going to be in that auction. So how we'll see. We'll see how that goes and I'm still hopeful. I'm still hopeful that we're gonNA see some good prices particularly for for coyotes Maybe some Bob Cat The rest of them it. It's GonNa be a toss up. We're just GONNA have to see what happens. I would not be surprised if a lot of the for if if things get out of hand with this Kiruna virus and the Chinese buyers just are not showing up or not participating the furthest not sold so you know I don't think. Fha Is GonNa give her away. I I don't think they are have ever been in the habit of doing that. trappers and they're looking out for our best interest so At at the worst case scenario were probably GONNA see things get held over and in this case. That might be a good thing I've I've always been a proponent of Oh let's let's just get the pain over with and let the market you know do what the market does and then come back from it That's why I think corrections in the Stock Market for instance are good thing because they're necessary in my opinion for To maintain a healthy market when things go up and up and up and up and they threaten to go down just a little bit in the Federal Reserve cuts interest rates and the government provides stimulus improved. Prince money does everything to try to keep the market from going down. I think you're further inflating bubble. That's going to burst at some point. So pain is okay because pain is necessary in markets that being said because this is such a temporary situation temporary in nature due to the this manic craziness that's brought on by the corona virus. I think that it would be a good thing to pause at the pause button. A little bit and just let things play out. Let the panic and fear subside. A little bit and then get back to business as usual so worse case scenario. I think that's what happens but stay tuned. I'll update you if there's anything else that comes up Not Not any more expert than anyone else in in this firm market but I just hope that that provides you a little bit more information on where we're at moving forward all right. That was the first market update. So now I WANNA get into back into Alaska trapping This is a little piece of an interview to. It's a short portion of Jim and I at the cabin in the Bush Alaska from a couple of weeks ago. And we're just talking we record the short segment talking about snaring there in Alaska. Thoughts gyms thoughts my thoughts my reaction to the You know snaring overall because for me. I can't snare on land here in Maine so it was a completely new learning experience for me to set up those snares for links and we also talk about Wolf snaring Wolf trapping a little bit and Ferber population so hope you enjoy this. There's a couple more segments like this. That are coming up and then I had an awesome conversation with trapper from Minnesota Just the other day. That was great and I look forward to sharing that with you as well In the coming episodes so lots more to come I just set up a couple of beaver lodges under a snaring here today this morning and a couple more to set up in in the coming days in in lots to Lots I'm sure there'll be lots to talk about there as well so all kinds of topics to get into. Thanks for tuning in glad to have you guys here as always and In hoping joy this traps versus snares where your thoughts I really liked. Snares traps are good to snares when you catch him they die really quick so they're usually frozen and they're frozen solid. You gotTA THUMB OUT SOMETIMES. Earn a weird configuration. A thought out link doesn't take up much room in your sled but a frozen one can and then you have to worry more bottom rubbing because our stiff but vita I didn't use snares I think some years I get seventy percent of and in Snare really yeah right down when I catch him in. Yeah yeah so I usually if I set a trap by put at least one or two. Maybe four snare dependent on the area around it and a lot of link will come around the smell the lure the Bait. No walk around. You'll get him to snare and they won't. Yeah they won't like when I saw back here by this little lake the track. Yeah he's got to go check on check that tomorrow. 'cause I I re I remained that guy. That guy's pretty wised up. He's walking by a lot of sets. Yeah guys breeders. 'cause they're hard to catch what you walked up to the trap your great by the trap and he kind of made one pot one pop print. Maybe a foot away from the trap. It's kind of like he faced towards the because he smelled allure and then he turned he kept going and then he also either coming or going he walked around. One of the snares. Yeah Yeah sometimes. They're just started. Catch told you one winner had to really difficult catch. And they were big ice. And when I got him trapped when I got a trap maniac like he's mad at me but he was a big one and he would just plow the brush around he walked around the surge plow. Sometimes they'll jump over snares really. Yeah what what is this? I don't know what makes them jump. But you'll see tracks on one side and then they land on other this one got his front leg and neck. You got. Yeah you got his front leg in the snare so did he. Was He like reaching with one pot while he's pushing his head through that there might not have been centered. You know there might have been. I'm thinking he was off center. Maybe one of the guide sticks filled our somebody got his but he did get his head through there yeah. I don't know very big loop compared to the size of his head really when you usually making money and inch diameter so and you like you at the bottom pretty good. I do some guys. Leave a gap there. Sometimes you can just set them with no nothing but you kinda take a chance to set them. Send them out in their trail in the open. Like a blind set. I don't do that very often kind of like the when I talked with Ron Jones. The Guy from New Jersey does eventually us much of snaring all kinds of different trapping but he talks about the eighty twenty rule and you know. Eighty percent of the eighty percent of them are the dumb ones and twenty percent. Might be those breeders. Yeah and we're like there's a couple different ways to think about it. You can think well I just want to catch the ball just trapper. I don't care about the twenty percent. I'm going to catch the eighty percent. Spend my time on those. And then the other argument is well if I make my set a little better that swear catches one hundred percent of the length of the animals than I get the eighty percent and the twenty percent. Yeah those guys the ones that walk around walk by your sets. I've had stepped right by the trap. Snip if you keep trying you'll get him in and sometimes I don't know what made him slip up. You know they'll get in a trappers snare. Yeah and a lot of times probably don't like if you So many traps you. You might make a few adjustments but you may not remember what did I put an extra blocks down this trap and then when you catch of course destroyed the all your center. There was one winner when they're worth quite a bit of money back in the nineteen eighties and My wife and I are still a traveling on her kids and I get home and I couldn't. They wouldn't go to the sets walk up to him and I was covering traps like a Fox trap. Yeah because there was a lot of money and they'd walk in. There weren't a lot of guys trapping to cover them with snow. Yeah and tell my wife. I'm catching Fox in these linked sets. But I'm not catching the link and usually you don't catch him any you do but not that many but because I was covered them up and just trying to hide them but eventually catch him. But I don't know why that what the trip them up you know. Sometimes I said trail sets forum blind sets some as you could just put it right in their footprint. Cover it. You'll get them. They're walking around the same place a lot. I don't do too much of that unless they're here. No like I've had one medic Animal Lincoln. It was walking in and out of your retirement catcher linke at a little trail Gordon. And that's how I got him. Put it in his footprint but I had three traps at there when I got him. He had three three traps on him. He started jumping around. Gotten the other two. Yeah he looked pretty hopeless. I think it was actually. She was female. Yeah sheet about to link that had cotton stairs. I got her figured she hanging around forever. Heating Link Yeah. They're Kinda cannibalistic. Wolverine Yeah following your line. What do you think about them as far as you know? Are they really catch? Wolverine hard to catch you to catch population-wise Some of them are easy to catch but some of them are really difficult. They probably have been caught before. Yeah and probably she'd use more Khanna bears. We set one today. Yeah that was something pretty cool. The first time I've ever set a three thirty on the ground and I wasn't breaking any laws. Oh man we could do a whole podcast episode on this and I want. I don't want to say Get into too much As recording this most recently podcast. That came out was I talked to a guy from Massachusetts Massachusetts trapper and he was just a man. What a what an enthusiastic guy and dedicated guy to be trapping in a state where you can almost can't trap yeah. I don't think I want to trap there. Well I'm kind of thinking after a few days here. I don't know if I want to trap in Maine Anymore. Every single I made would be illegal in main last two days. I can't think of a single legal set the last two days. But it's not. It's not just that it's you don't have to think about it like you can focus on trapping you can. You can look at this situation and this call for snare foothold you know. Where should I sit here which they do in in you can just like you have every option at the table you know? Yeah in this one particular spot. You'd had a wolverine had been hanging around there today. We don't link there last time I checked it and so you know it was spot where Jim thought that this would be good place to put a three thirty so we said we would box. And and Put a piece of Link Lake in the back of it and put a three thirty now. Of course understandable. You can't do that in other places where you've got people and dogs around stuff but This is this is kind of the middle of nowhere in this is really true freedom when it comes to trapping and we went about five hundred feet past maybe five hundred pass that set in there was a all in wolf trail. Yes yeah did you. What do you think about like I walked up twenty year stairs just to make sure I was doing similar? Yeah you'll ask your second one and I noticed you had the two sticks they probab- I was thinking making out. My Wolf Snares subtle compared to maybe some of the links stuff. Yeah you don't want to put a lot of block it off. They seem to be a more vicious or suspicious. Yeah Yeah you don't WanNa you don't WanNa put a lot less brush area and just kind of a natural but You know want US block. Maybe a couple of little willow sometimes even just pointed angle. It away put it. Further way pointed towards the snare. Okay yeah that makes sense. Yeah instead of putting it near the snare right. Yeah sometimes you just put it over there trail. I also tried to make it. I was kind of like thinking okay. I'm a walking down the trail and I tried to put it because I'd heard about I'd read about this somewhere longtime ago but I tried to put it where there's like a little kink in the trail where they're like little bend and so so when they get toward the snare. They're looking ahead to see where they're gonNA go as opposed to look in in front of them where they could see the stair. Yeah one thing I do. I don't want to do is set it where they see it before they go into the brush. Yes snare I try to avoid that where they could possibly see it. Put back in a little ways. There was we were on. You are in one trailer to reset your stairs. I just one on one and two big main trails going back in there in those two where we said to snares on the trails and they come together and now kicking myself. Because I'm thinking I probably should set on that next time we go and check. Those got more will start. I didn't know they came together and I guess I didn't go back that far. Yeah like you're you can still see your last year in my last year because I thought it would kind of an out in the open too much so I just before it goes in the open it drops down a little dip. Yeah they walked down put traps there. They walked down through some brush than than that. Israel opened up. We could put a trap under you have any wolf. I don't hang around the cabin but I have. I have several watch. Those are a little more expensive than most of you. Don't want them to pick up Santa. Either Oh yeah yeah. They're worth money. I did change into my clean. I had a set of gloves. I haven't worn yet and I change into those before I touch the snares just on avoid the smell and smell. That was pretty crazy today. I'm that slew though. Like those those tractor Massa the wolves yeah sometimes also I was looking at Moose tracks in and They it's just I don't. It's pretty cool scene because you go from the area where you might see you get are few rabbit tracks and you get a link strack and and then there's not too much and then all sudden tour those Wolves Warriors. Boom boom boom boom boom. Yeah they were splitting up on that slow going single file a lot must be looking for a most everybody's looking for a most Wolves do you see years where you have more wolves or less wolves pretty steady. I don't really. I don't seem like it's usually about the same but I could be wrong. Wolverines take up and down there. There's a lot now. Because they're less guys trapping with price furlough. They're easy to knock their population because they don't have big litters and there was a lot of guys trap and you might get you. Make all year without catching on which is fine. Because they don't eat a bunch of your yeah but usually catch to best I ever did was six but that was when hardly any guys were trapping we got two years in row and then and which surrogate and to break that this you could you could only get ten. We'll see I thought we'd see tracks around this trip. Yeah well they could still show up. You think it's just because we got a lot of snow I think so. Yeah Yeah I'm Rachel. You're was walking around the cabin there. In December yeah yeah. I'm hoping mine got him though. Yeah maybe the by the little pond back there to track reset those two traps together and yeah the the step here. The one with the trappists step here on the piano. That really works. Chaffetz got that written on probably. That's the only this conversation piece. The educating link that can read kind of a lot of pride I want to show you. They know how to read and they stepped right on. So where are you GonNa talk about that? The Martin population in how that that kind of that waiver Martin that came down into this area years ago and was here. The whole we talked about it when we did the interview months ago about the overlap. How links and Martin don't overlap. They don't seem to not very much in really. I thought it was interesting pattern. Historically when you talking about back in back in the day days when when you guys were were catching Oughta Martin here. Yeah when we first started trapping we didn't even Oughta trap and we cut thirty five link and then the link were dropping off. Think we cut to Martin or one and then this is not known to be Martin Habitat and that was kind of historical link but when you look at it like for me looking at the market looks like it should be more than half. Yeah so the link dropped off in the Martin came back up but but we caught like my brother caught. It went from thirteen sixty five. This is Martin number went from thirteen to sixty five. Then we catch over one hundred one year we caught on this line. We caught one hundred sixty five or seventy and from nothing from basically. Yeah actually maybe. We caught one hundred ten on this line or so because we caught fifty other point. I don't say the name that yeah and that was Martin country but we only trapped there six weeks to get those fifty but So then let's see eighties. I'd get like fifty to seventy and then last year I saw him and I was having to go. Further north closer to Martin Habitat. I got thirty five and I didn't catch any Downer down around here but Guys Martin. Well we had a line of Martin Habitat. There was Martin Everywhere. When you got up in the hills more than here but now all we saw one. Martin Track One Jack. Yeah I got to trap set for Martin. You probably haven't caught any Martin last several years. Yeah a few years ago. I got ten when there wasn't many link around two. That's pretty amazing. How it just like how that can happen on such a large scale was pretty fascinating to me and then you talked about the old timers and in how well I talked. I guess I thought well did that happen. Did that also happen back? When James Carroll was one hundred years ago it could I don't know like nineteen ten or tourney? Yeah I don't know either. I don't know it could have happened before wasn't around. Oh I don't remember people talking about it but it did seem like people always. There's certain areas are always some art in the link. Go Up and down. Pretty regular cycle seventy the cycle in the seventies. When a lot of money they didn't it didn't get very high dropped off. Yeah I got twelve and I thought it was doing pretty good but I caught Martin make an Fox too so but but the link where was I? Don't know what they weren't worth five hundred they're worth like maybe two hundred which was still good the especially back then by a lot of gas for two hundred dollars yeah.

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When the Rain Stops: a New Short Story by Bryan Washington

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07:41 min | 2 weeks ago

When the Rain Stops: a New Short Story by Bryan Washington

"Brought to you by the so-fi daily podcast. Did you know thirty. Seven percent of americans would struggle to cover unexpected four hundred dollar expense. April is national financial literacy month. Which means it's time to expand your financial knowledge and that all starts with having the right information for facts analysis and updates related to markets and financial awareness. Listen to the so-fi daily podcast every weekday search for s-o-f-i wherever you get your podcasts. When the rain stops a new short story by. Brian washington by brian washington. We heard about the storm a week before the rains. Manny figure. they wouldn't be a problem. J. disagreed the news called it a minor inconvenience of flash flood at most but we'd learned not to lean too deep into forecast in the morning. Houston felt sticky are. He'll slapped across the floorboards. We plotted around the house. Yawning and stretching and tugging at our boxers went straight for the vegetable garden but jay took his time with breakfast. Stirring a pan of eggs. Slipping everything inside pieces of toast between mouthfuls of sandwich. He swore we'd ended up packing everything growing out back anyway. There wasn't really a point attending them now. Our states seen eleven straight years of record breaking hurricanes. Houston's caught like eight of them and even though the government calls it's cyclical locals. No better rain start earlier. wins only ever increase. If you're in the loop then you'll likely end up halfway underwater and if you've got cash then you're probably safe but if you actually had money then you'd already probably left still though we prepared. Boarded the cauliflower. Shed and pack the cucumbers that we could. Manny drove into town for water because jay hated the highway and i stooped beside him boxing and boarding the beans and the broccoli and the kohlrabi. A few hours later we hunched over the season spread. I asked jay if he thought this would be a big one nor the big one or just another one and j shrugged before he asked me. If it honestly mattered. but we'll manage. He said rubbing a turnip and this is when manny pulled into the driveway blasting his music yelling about the traffic on fifty nine north. I met jay and manny accidentally years back. I've gone out for a drink in montross before another storm cruising for sex before everything shut down and after i ended up following them home the rain started falling. And it just didn't stop for like nine days. The couple put me up for the night. One night became to a week later. I thought they'd kicked me out or the things might turn jealous and cold. But they didn't and they weren't manny and jay made space at their dinner. Table tossed me cushions on their sofa. I'd lean barefoot over there sink waddling naked from their bathroom to their bedroom and pack until one day. Eventually they felt this much of a part of my life is anything else. They been farming in a leave for nearly a decade. Manny's family owned a tortilla ria in the heights. Jay had fled at tech gig up in austin in bed with two of them. We fit together like matchsticks and manny snored loudly. So i buried my ears in jay's chest when the rain stops i said i'll go home and the two of them laughed. Good luck with that. Said manny really said jay. The forecast worsen the next few days. And i just sat out of the storm's way and then it's trajectory found us. The storm widened until it became a tropical threat and then a hurricane and then a deadly one the morning before it reached land houston stood square in the centre. So many join j. In me and the yard grumbling under his breath and some neighbors dropped by two congregating before the first clouds fell. Fernando leaned against the fence asking what we thought about the reins when julie passed by dropping off a jar of broth. She nj gossiped in korean. While manny and i fondled tomatoes mabel brought us a casserole plate which she traded for a set of jumper cables and letitia offered us extra batteries which we accepted gratefully eventually my son called out from the sidewalk asking if we had extra water and j mumbled about that under his breath but manny always made sure to spot their family and extra case. This was another thing that has changed back when i was a kid. Everyone in the city weathered the storms on their own. You made it through or you didn't rebuilt with what you could. But with storms only getting worse working together became a necessity. It was how you made it to the next storm and we didn't have to ask our neighbors for help. It was just something that we did that night. The wind picked up. Our house began to shiver and the sidewalk. Started to patter but it wasn't long before my son rang. The doorbell again holding tupperware full of warm to choi as a thank you before the kid could sprint back home. J. asked if he wanted to share it and the four of us stood in our doorway spooning bites from the plastic tin and grinning under the drizzle rain arrived gradually blanketing the block. then it simply didn't move cascading across the city. We heard the wind. We saw the water and it didn't rise or fall it simply never stopped. No one knew when it would in bed. The three of us huddled together whispering at some point are snores and the rain became indistinguishable. We'd eaten stewed pinto beans that evening tucked inside of the hallway half listening to the radio and flexing our toes against the rug. We all knew that living in the by was a contract. If you wanted to enjoy the city then you had to deal with its woes. Manny said we'd find a way through the worst of the storms to come and nj called it inevitable that we'd have to leave one day but i knew that either way the problem was if but when there would be no inbetween. Eventually there wouldn't even be a question at all and then the water stop falling a few hours later. I tiptoed across the patio saw the usual debris mangled branches and overturn plants. Stray piles of trash strewn across the road. The air was almost unbelievable. You couldn't help but inhale bales of humidity walking down the block. I waved at mabel. And i saw julie staring at her porch taking stock of the damage. My and her son walked the block. To and i waved their way and they wave back. I wandered through the neighborhood. Patches of folks popped up from st street. We all wore the same face a blend of awe and disbelief. When i made it back home. Jay and manny were outside rummaging the shed leaned from the brunt of the wind but despite everything it stood upright j. reached through the door searching for vegetables to salvage and manny told him to relax. Because we've been lucky considering but jay kept digging until eventually. He pulled the plant from the rubble. It looked a little ugly but still it was a miracle a bright shining thing and despite myself i cheered and manny did to j held the tomato up beaming for the sun urging it to grow.

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BGN #215 I Lovecraft Country Recap Show - Episode 3 "Holy Ghost"

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1:01:02 hr | 5 months ago

BGN #215 I Lovecraft Country Recap Show - Episode 3 "Holy Ghost"

"You're listening to the black girl nerds. Podcast seven eight hundred bleeping girl to the end the world and every lazy men space we make target gave the actors were black benedict dipped runners. I just checked out. The new hyundai a long-term was. I have to say it was a pretty smooth operator. Are you sure you're talking about a call. His dream the digital keep these. Lets you lock and unlock the doors and get this dynamic voice recognition. I can control the temperature. Roll down the windows. Intake radio stations just by talking. No you like that. Youtube can talk to the all new on the elektra. Learn more at hyundai. Usa dot com call five sixty three one four four six zero three for complete details faith. Life are the makers of logos bible software and the cloud base ministry platform which includes ministry tools for worship presentations online donations and much more. They have two million registered users and our trusted by more than ten thousand churches. Faith life is hiring full. Stack developers and the majority of physicians can be worked remotely. They have an average tenure. Five years they have over two hundred last reviews. Averaging four point seven stars in it comes with benefits such as a competitive salary and unlimited vacation. Time apply faith light today and write code that matters go to faith. Life dot com forward slash careers. That's faith live dot com forward slash careers. Walk them to the block. Groner the podcast. I'm your host and jelica and joining me as always as my lovely co-host ryan say. Hey ryan low everyone. We are back for another lovecraft country. Recap today we're discussing. Holy ghost which was a really good episode was straight up and down horror. I think what do you think right. Yeah i i mean. It wasn't one of my favorite ones. It was really good because this this show just has so many elements that make it good but It was very odd to me. It was a very irving episode. There was actually one that i know. We're getting on the season. It was probably a little more covering the knicks one but for for being like that third episode to me. It was a nerve like their episode in the series. So far that we've had. Yeah when i washed it. I was scared a little bit. Just there was like a few moments. I was like i go. You realize this is only the tip of the iceberg right. Yeah this was very scary to me. You realize only just a little tip but yeah right yeah. In comparison to later episodes this is nothing actually watched recap in this episode or going through my outline for this episode. I was like oh. This is bad was scared. Yeah yeah when you do realize yeah everybody for. Yeah if you re watch. She felt a little bit better. But at the time. When i you like why right now. It's very heavy. This thing to myself like i need to watch the show in the daytime because before i would watch it like twelve o'clock at night and then it's like if you're going to bed it's i really hit. Yeah there's a lot of heavy stuff year with them for me. So let's dive into this episode. So i didn't have to do any bites. The show did it for me. It's by days so we're going to go through each day piece by piece so this isn't technically day one but we open up at church. Letty is sitting there looking gorgeous with that. Beautiful flatly black. You know hat at a church service. She looks nam. she's sitting there. She's watching you know all these people worship and celebrate and she's clearly just not in it. And what i really liked from the scene was the voice over. It was actually part of a nike Commercial it was their true. Was there be true campaign and it was inspired or actually they. They literally just took entire line from the commercial and it was inspired by this odd answered. Name omi maldonado. And she's also called wonder woman and she's like really huge in the ballroom world So the so the voice over. I just wanted to go over because i thought it was. I mean it was super fitting. You would never think that it was As a result of a nike campaign but it fit so basically as she goes. Hey lay would. Did you do to make a mark on this world. What mountains did you climb which angels gave you their wings. Which skies have you found when you reach the heavens who was there to catch you when you fall and did they tell you that you save them to like you save me. They were mending their wings and holding them up to the sun. Just step back and watch you fly still go head lay fly so when you watch the commercial it's basically a lie preparing for the ballroom and she inspired a ton of 'em. Lgbtq us to be themselves and dance and you know their true authentic selves. So i really enjoyed that. And the fact that they took that and put that in the episode as kind of like almost like levies internal dots to a degree. And then you're watching. These people saying swinging their arms like their wings. I dunno i really liked the titan. Yeah i think it was a. It was a nice for for for us know