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"montana state prison" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"From holland mcalinden. Who plays bill tench character. He stayed with me when he was developing his part in the show but he found kind of grim. And was that All the actors wanted to return but it was a question with David fincher director. He spent so much time so much time. Filming it in pittsburgh for each each season. He spent about seven months there and he's such a perfectionist that the actors are working on almost the entire year on the on each Each series what they were saying that he's You know exhausted. I just don't personally understand that. Needed the some of the actors Why don't you get us some other directors. Some there are. There are other directors involved in season one and season two of the nineteen total episodes in two seasons venture. Did that seven of them personally did seven. But when he did a series house of cards he started it but then other other directors took over Over for the for the show. So i don't i mean it's just Everyone's is hoping you got tremendous ratings. Reviews were were all. You know all good but i mean it doesn't For now it's not he takes you know if you recall season to the first episode. I just get an idea. The there was a barbecue scene with bill tench and he's meeting his neighbors. We're finding out for the first time kind of what he does. The profiling at quantico and all and they start asking questions that one scene was repeated. Seventy seventy five times seventy five times before Adventure approved at how he wanted that scene To go and it's because it made he's made he's made a lot of money you know it was if it was anyone else say would say okay. It's fine we'll get another director but now they're they're not doing it. But i just went back in my mind. I just think there will some point. Yeah i mean. I may be dead and buried but some point. I hope they'll bring back. There's so much more to tell. I'm even season to the atlanta channel killings I mean and and your your People listened to your show have to realize that's based on the book but it's not the book The atlanta case did not go down like that. In fact reality. I started went down in the real way. Went down a lot more dramatic in my role in that case as far as coaching the the prosecution On how to interrogate him when he would take the stand My attitude toward the the the prosecutors experts that the fbi state run in there. And how how they the throw my ass out of. They did because i was just so critical of them On how they testify. They were so technical. Know could even understand what we're saying. I mean i couldn't understand what they were saying And the defense experts that they brought in talk they may have been saying stuff. That's not correct Their analysis but it was it was clear it was something that the jurors could follow and they were nodding their heads like an agreement with with with their experts so there's so much you know so they. They didn't finish that case. I was thinking of season three. They got that case. I mean they got they have. I think there's just so many different cases. The ted bundy case they could do robert hanssen up in alaska who hunted women. Down like wild animals were set loose in the wilderness and And you have that case you have about buffalo twenty two caliber killer. I mean just the tylenol case then cases of smaller. No one really. The public doesn't even know about but very very interesting interesting You know cases and it may not follow the book. They're kinda interpreting hitting the way they want to. But but it's it's it's better than some other shows that That that i've seen even like with criminal minds was very successful show but but they will science. You know we don't when you you're not unit you don't go you're not making arrests. You're not taking cases away from police. You're not kicking down doors you know. It's cerebral enrich when you reach the the unit and your coach your your coaching Fbi your coaching local law enforcement on on On on how to to investigate or or you know or lead them in the best direction for saying on on known subject Okay so What they portrayed in hunter series was good. Yeah hopefully it's a five year. It was a five year arc to the show and supposed to be honest with five years And then there's plenty of cases to fill up those five years so we will see. Yes when asked to give a brief description about mind hunter. When i recommend the show to friends and family i always say it's the more adult more intelligent real life version of criminal minds. Yeah i mean it's just it's such interesting in that kinda that kinda show today. These crime conferences around the country. That it just. It's it's amazing. I haven't done any public speaking because the covid virus. But when i going out conferences eighty ninety percent of the audience are women To really really into this well they wanna know 'cause they to. They're the victims of the kind of violent crimes that my colleagues have worked over the years and they're interested in tibet understand the personality. What creates these people. What makes these people you know Different than we are. What what what was your background. Was it predictable that they would commit You know these types of types of crimes and Now with all these dating services you know meeting people you know locations. You don't know just because someone puts a nice picture up and gives you this background by this. Little bio doesn't mean that's who the person really is. Oh my mother. When when my since passed away she used to tell my sister. When you meet when you made a man or boy years ago even boy ask him about his relationship with his mother and my mother was was right on the money there because of the people who have some of the most violent offenders there was always an issue on the mother's side where they were there was this abuse or neglect of some of some type. going on with them and it's the love their mother and saints on. That hated mother. When i interviewed gary hyde knicks philadelphia. Who of women in the pit like in the movie silence of the lambs. I interviewed him. Lesley stahl a sixty minutes. Just got to sixty minutes. That's how long ago it was. Nineteen ninety one and followed me into the pittsburgh to interview interview gary hyde nick and when i got around to talking out his mother he just went absolutely nuts. You know and and crying and You know he. He loved and hated her all at the same time and she was very very abusive towards him and this is not to say that everyone is goes abused will turn out to be violent anything but i'm just saying of the people who i've interviewed. Rarely i can't think of when you could say came from some loving nurturing kind of background. The all have some type of dysfunction in their lives. Let's talk about the still unsolved. Terrorizing murders and threats from the unidentified serial killer who called himself the zodiac you reviewed and profile zodiac case years after the fact and still were able to offer up some very fascinating and intriguing analysis about the crimes and the person who committed them. Yeah like the zodiac. We never the unit really never got involved with the the now says of that case. We've had a lot of people come forward over the years. There's been different suspects. You know You know develops When that case was going on we really didn't even have a behavioral science unit. When we we finally got the case It was it was when so-called zodiac was riding a communication wrote a communication to the detectives assigned to the case yet private office a private line hotline and So we got we were gonna do. An analysis of the communication we could call cycle linguistic analysis on his is just doing a profile of the author of the communication The the Police immediately called us up and said stop. Forget about you know why why we figure out who wrote the communication who was the detective well detective wrote to communication themselves to. He's trying to because he had not had any good leads. No lead everything died. There was nothing going on. And to perpetuate the case he wrote this so-called letter from the you know the the the zodiac so But as far as i mean it's a case it was a case today. I think we'd be successful when you get a case like And how. I was evolving. In when i was a unit chief in the bureau and training others it's kinda de emphasizing the profile because because the whole the idea of a profile is you're trying to generate leads you try try to Peak the mind interests of people who may know Some of the characteristics of the fitting this character The the person responsible for the crime. So i began to focus in more on on proactive techniques and Too so maybe get the subject to inject himself in the investigation or subject to to go to a curricular location Because we we may have planted something. There we may have had a memorial service there And give you an example. I was i. I was sent to go before the internal affairs. They call off professional responsibility. And which is not good when you go before internal affairs as and so. I went by before a whole group and they said john. You're not lying are you to To the media through the media so the public. Yeah why i i. So what do you mean you. Are you telling the truth. I said well i don't know. Let me give you an example. I said this is a case. I told him. It is the case in san diego. A women car was broken down on the side. The road determine what she. She ran out of gasoline No one knows where she is for data to then they find her up in Outside of san diego some foothills and she has a dog colorado next. She's been sexually assaulted. And she's been garad I work with the police. I i'm telling you turn fair assist. i work with. The police came out with a series of articles. I said because it was my opinion that that whoever killed her was the guy picked her up to take or maybe to gas phase gas station so she thought and so we. We want to put a series of communications out looking for lead value. That anyone see anything that anyone anything any vehicle stop any description vehicle or car we put that out and fled the airways and and we wait a of days and now we come out with another another. We're getting very good Leads banking the public riyan. Now getting a description of only did vehicle but the individual who who stopped alongside of the victims car The purpose of that was to get the subject to inject himself into the investigation to To to come up legitimate reason why he may have been spotted there and sure enough. The guy injects himself into the investigation. That just you know. I was there i. I offered a ride. She said she ran out of gas but she she said no so. I went on my on my merry way. So i told her internal affairs. That was that was the guy we arrested him and the police arrested him. Now if you're telling me you're telling me on my line to the press. Well it's not exactly the truth. It's not the truth but we thought this they. The police caught by using this technique. So they look at me and they They said well. I'll just tell you something. I understand what you're saying but if it ever gets out or anything or you screw up man we're gonna have your head we're gonna we're gonna have your head. I'll be working. Cattle rustling cases in butte montana. Someplace if not fired from the bureau. So i started really working on on on proactive kinds of things and interview interview. techniques and suggestions. Because 'cause sometimes you may do a profile and it doesn't fit every characteristic so someone will say well this profile they. They said he would have a A college education and and this guy only he's high school high school education or we may miss the age which is difficult ages difficult. 'cause there's chronological age and behavioral age and And you may miss may miss that. We missed arthur shawcross case up in rochester new york. We missed it by dos. Fifteen years and reason we missed it was because he was incarcerated for those fifteen years for a double homicide were killed two children and then he gets out of prison. That's unbelievable let him out of prison. After serving fifteen years he goes up to rochester and he starts killing prostitutes up in rochester. So we got everything right. misty age but cau- but We we we told them to stakeout. If you find a body don't recover it right away but stake it out and so they so the cops they they get a lead. There's a body. Blow abridge an overpass below bridge in the country and and The victim down there and it's frozen over with ice and They stick it out and guess what police are or civilian here comes a guy just sits on the edge of the bridge eating having a drink and the victims right Below him and that was author shawcross. Serial killer in rochester. new york. So so it's it's it's it's i like the idea of developing you know Usually imagination creativity to catch these guys and kinda deemphasize like i said the emphasize the The profile sometimes. You could be right on the money. Some cases forget you can't you can't do it because too many. Maybe too many types of people could perpetrate this kind of Type of crime And rate cases. We have surviving victims. We could be pretty good Once we do the right kind interview or we coach the coach police to determine what was the verbal assault was what the sexual assault was. What the physical assault was verbal sexual physical. And what was it like. Throughout the first counter with the victim during the sexual assault and afterwards verbal sexual physical and we have that information we do have an interview. We that kind of case we can do a very good profile and come up with because we have a rake type. We have like a five or six rape typologies based upon if we have that kind of information where a pretty good who. The offender is in a similar fashion in regards to the zodiac attack. At lake barry. Esa this is the murder of cecelia shepard in the attempted murder of brian harthill. During the course of tying up the victims the zodiac killer wearing a black executioners type hood with on sunglasses over the eyeholes disguise he claimed to be an escaped convict from the montana state. Prison in deer lodge montana where he had killed a guard and stole a car to make a getaway. Now he's telling the young couple he just needed their vehicle and money to drive and escape to mexico. You had said you would have used that information to try to draw the killer out to present himself to law enforcement and come forward what would have been your strategy to do so it would have been to you know to release. I just believing and working with the media investigative reporters with immediate releasing information. And not sitting on you can sit on information for a period of a couple of you know maybe a couple days or so but you have to re release the Release the information now. Whether or not that if a nation was true or not we you know we wouldn't. We wouldn't have you know have known that Again it would. I'd have to spend so long since they've been looked at that case. But let me tell you something else. Similar the what. He did what his technique would was. He's trying to defuse. The situation is trying to calm. Calm the victims down. Don't worry all i want. Is you vehicle. Same thing i viewed dentistry bt strangler case. That i did in the seventies eighties and never never analysis never to his arrest. His his stupidity let his arrest but he used that same technique with the tara family when he killed your terrorism and The children the mother and father. That is all i want. You know. i just want your car and money. i'm not gonna do anything to you. And and and so they allow the. It was a very good motives operandi. Allowed him to use the situation and gain control of them in an entire him up It's going back to the zodiac. It's kinda it kinda shows you though. It's pretty sophisticated. It's a pretty good ammo You know to use and almost like Special long sounds like a law enforcement technique. Dennis rader Was a pseudo law enforcement you know. He's a compliance wasser town. He was studying criminal. Justice that wichita state so A lot of these serial killer types do have law enforcement backgrounds like the golden gate killer out there and But even others who or you ask them What would be your favorite place Profession generally it's law enforcement is what they pick and some a more active or eventually work as security guards. So but i sometimes i it's disturbing to See how i can't think of the name you probably know nick. The the case in indiana The two little girls that were on that bridge. Yes the murders of abigail williams in liberty. German from delphi indiana. I did a brief interview on good morning america. I had that other book out the kill. They threw out that case and and they never. I mean you can sit on information but when they had the the audio tapes the audio tapes and You know it was like i think for call someone come with me. Follow me something like come with me. Yes. the perpetrator said guys down the hill. Yeah and it sounds authoritarian. Man i mean you know. They sat on kind of. Wasn't it like two years or so it was. It was ridiculous you don't you. Don't sit on on something like You know like that For that period of time that case to me. That was a solvable of case. That is not a. It's not a case where some stranger comes roaming into community and just by the fluke you know and i think it was like a winter day. He comes across railroad. Trestle any confronts. These guys it's like. He has this knowledge of knowledge of the area. That's his comfort zone. That harry there. Whatever that areas like. I don't i just don't know just just roll. I don't know we don't know how they were killed if you knew how they were killed even Like i said you can sit on a for a while but But i i think it was what has been very sabail. He sexually assaulted yes or no where they both sexually assaulted with the were. They re dressed on closed. The pos the bodies Details try to secrete the box hide the bodies from From from the view the missing anything any jewelry and clothing or anything like that method of death Who'd can we determine who was killed. I it's a solvable. It's really solvable. Case but not not a year later two years two years later i mean unless they luck out and get dna but it's Yeah i just sets me. Sometimes when i see. Why didn't they release this inflammation. I mean i same thing with the bureau to um we own our own cases sit on them for a while but bits and pieces of information.
"montana state prison" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"We're making it. Allocate twenty seven days. Isn't that long? Well exactly. I don't know what the charge would have been could have been something. That's a hiccup. That's a vacation pretty minor Yeah not one that I wanNA take though We're making it out as though Scott is some kind of low level con artists who just happen to get away with check cashing scams and fraudulent moneymaking schemes. But what I believe that we will see here. Captain that the truth of the matter is that Scott's he's pretty talented as a con artist and I think what we're going to see. Is that his con artist? Skills might be off the charts and you know everyone who met him even though I'll judge that determined to see him in prison for the remainder of his days begrudgingly admits. That Scott was the best at this Universally he they say he was liked. He was jovial friendly and seemingly trustworthy. This is how Scott was described time and time again over and over these people that that knew him and met him throughout his life. Why you can tell even by his later in views that there is a brain inside his head. Yeah and what we will see as we go through. This is he. Truly just. He snowed people. He befriended people made them feel special. Build up their trust and then he cheated them. Yeah obeys no frame cabin now? What happens next on the Scott? Time-line gives us a clear cut example of how trustworthy he really seemed to be. In the spring of Nineteen. Ninety nine Scott Kimball agree to work for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms as an informant on a stolen guns investigation. Yes this is an agency of our federal government taking on a conman scam artist a fraudulent trek rider into their fold. Now it's not really clear how this arrangement came about and it did not result in any arrest although Scott reportedly gave the ATF. Some names but not only did Scott get personal satisfaction from being a trusted informant for the feds. He got paid for a grand total of one thousand eight hundred sixty five dollars. The Rue the relationship was over by November of Nineteen Ninety Nine Scott Kimball benefited both as we said financially but also in terms of establishing goodwill with the feds a by December of Nineteen Ninety Nine. It was apparent that Scott was not only a scam artists but he was also violent on December eighth. His Ex Wife. Larussa reported to spokane police. This Scott kidnapped her at gunpoint raped her and forced her and the couple's two sons to accompany him back to Montana. No charges were filed for this incident. And there's a lot of speculation here as to why there were no charges filed. I don't know that I feel super comfortable getting into it knowing as little as we do about this situation But we would see this one more time this when Lewis again called police this time on December eighteenth Saying that Scott had broke into her house that night and held her at gunpoint then he made her take a bath and stole money from her purse again. No case no charges were brought forward in this incident as well now remember. The twos suspended sentences for convictions. For passing bad checks that he go over that again. He broke in made her take a bath after another sexual assault. And there's and there's no charges whatsoever that's correct. It's ridiculous again I. I don't WanNA speculate as to why there were no charges. Both of these situations we know very little about. Yeah so I mean it could be could be as simple as something as she called the police and then later says. I don't want to press any charges that's why I don't want to get into the speculation. I don't I don't we can't fault the the police department if the the person that notifies them later than says no. I don't WANNA I don't WanNA bring any charges. Well no you can fault on on some level because there's a possibility that she just doesn't feel safe enough that she can press charges that he actually presses charged with this guy's a animal and look what he did to me he might come back in and kill me. I agree but I think that it's irresponsible of myself to lay blame to someone or or an organization with with knowing nothing really about the situation. Yeah well let's not lay blame to to the organization but let's let's lay blame on the the idea that we we know this situation happened and we don't know why went down this way. Well that's why I don't WanNa Laity because I don't know that I don't know that it happened so I want to go back to the to suspended sentences for The the bad checks that took place in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight when Scott was just twenty one so he finds himself in jail once again this time in January of two thousand this time for violating his probation remember. He got probation for those charges. He violated his probation. This is for traveling and also for failing to report now. Finally a little justice here. This takes place in April of two thousand A. Judge threw the book. Adam Scott was sentenced to ten years in Montana. State Prison this for violating those probation now. Five years of this sentence were suspended but Scott was looking at five years of hard time. Five years in the Clink District Judge Hanson. Row of Scott Quo. The defendant is impossible to supervise in a community setting. You're irresponsible untruthful and simply do what you want to do. Regardless of the rules and conditions imposed by this court then even more charges were brought against him this time for three counts of felony check forgery. That occurred in. Nineteen ninety nine in spokane. His additional conviction piled up eight more months onto his prison. Sentence this is where the story really starts to gain some momentum here. Captain Scott's sentence his five years eight months with the five year suspended actually only resulted in him serving fifteen months in July. Two thousand one. He was relocated to a pre release center and Helena Montana. He was permitted to get a job on the outside and just report back to the center win. Not at work. Scott landed himself a job as a cashier at the easy stop gas station but within just a couple of weeks. Scott decided a change of scenery would be nice on July. Twenty Ninth Scott was working alone at the gas station. Let's quickly review. What the good judge said of Scott Remember saying. He was impossible to supervise in a community. He's irresponsible untruthful and simply does not. He simply does what he wants. Regardless of the rules while the District Judge Hanson was what we call here in the garage. Exactly right so while working at the station alone on the twenty ninth of July Scott Lifted. Six hundred seventy seven dollars from the register. He stole a work truck and he took off for parts. Unknown ocoee doors. I imagine there was several slim. Jims and a big gulp stolen from that gas station as well. That didn't go reported Ryan. That's the real crime here. Well now Scott. You are a wanted man. A warrant was issued for the arrest of Scott Lee Kimball but where did Scott high tail it to on the run from the law in the stolen truck where else but the furthest place away he could think of? Alaska is not known how Scott managed to get across the Canadian border but knowing his charisma and charm he probably just sweet talked his way in there. And it didn't take long for him to turn up in Alaska captain. This is because he could not resist falling back on his old ways. Writing bad checks this time. Scott assumed the identity of Brett Kimball his brother in the few months since his escape. Brett wrote twenty five thousand dollars. In counterfeit checks collected the cash and had landed himself a fiance. As far as this woman whose name is Catherine Curtis was concerned. Scott was a man named Brett Kimball and they were in love and living in a hotel room where Scott was eventually found and arrested during a raid. Along with eleven thousand. Three hundred dollars in cash was just proves that love is the biggest connell..
"montana state prison" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"Would do this and I'm not saying that he is forgiven by me because he's not you feel like it is my fault. She's gone back to the could say you know that this is not your fault. I'm starting to believe it wasn't Matt Fault but still kind art. Twelve year are not supposed to say adults from other adult. He's not going to ruin me not gonNa let him. You're stronger stronger than him like even though I wanna like hurt him for what he's done to my mom. I'm not going to because stooping down to his level. Want that you the sentence life in prison and in March two thousand seventeen. The Montana State prison is where we found cody who agreed to speak with US. Still claiming he knew nothing about Nicole's disappearance. I have to tell you having spoken to that family if you know anything if you know where she is. You're putting people through agony. If I did I WOULD BE S. And I don't know where she's at but I do know if she showed up. Tomorrow things would be different. I don't think she's GONNA show up. Tomorrow I'll pray for you have a new song when he grows up. What do you want him to think of you? Well I'm going through the appeal process and hopefully at some point in time I'll get outta here but if not what I want them to know about his father's and I love him that I didn't do this and that whether I'm here with him I'll always be there for regrets. What'd you do wrong clearly? I don't know what else I can do. Say I'm sorry. What are you sorry for? If you didn't do this for moving her car for not telling the truth to the police remember. Prosecutors said cody. Johnston was a great guy until he wasn't until his temper caused him to snap and after we pressed him for a while. We saw a little of that if you had nothing to do with us if you're innocent Dun Dun Dun not doing. This here made me look more at enough that you get. How's that I'm done thank you? We persuaded him to stay long enough to answer the big question. Did you kill Nicole nine? Not Knowing would not. I'm not a killer and nothing in my character has ever ever spoken to the fact that I would be. And with that cody. Johnston returned to his new life in prison. He'll be eligible for parole in two thousand forty nine two of the law man who put him behind bars live to fight again. Brandt light is still in treatment but market. Here's cancer is in remission. I think there may have been times when you didn't know whether you or brand we're gonNA make it to the end of this case but you both did and and we're taking on new cases glad to see that. Probably not as bad as you are though. Yeah I'm glad to be here. The search for justice is over the search for Nicole Waller is not there remains so much sadness a daughter sister mother and friend gone be easier via grave to go visit at least with a gravesite are even if you go to spread her ashes someplace. There's someplace special where you go. How we're still in limbo worser body. She's author someplace we don't know that's all for now. I'm Lester Holt. Thanks for joining us. The meet the Press Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast..
"montana state prison" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"It was a headline making moment that September of two thousand six when uric and ex-fugitive was escorted off the plane and Callous Bell Montana. I remember looking at the wire late in the afternoon one day. I'm like what what did it was. Just unbelievable the fake name the Career as a successful software developer. It was the furthest furthest thing from what I had imagined. As Ambrose wasn't a broken man and the Mexican wasn't a broken man Mexican Ambrosi with marched through the airport and into the custody of an eagerly awaiting sheriff. Jim Dupont I just actually wanted physically see see what he looked like a thing about all these years. I've been thinking about them a lot. You could tell. He was intelligent my opinion as associate bath. But I don't I don't know if he's got any any feelings or not but they certainly didn't pick up any from. He believes the sociopath. You Ain't no. There's good sociopaths and bad so she passed modern believe he's got feelings. How do you lose your mom? I'm your Dad Your family your friends and your loved one at the bottom of the lake. I don't get it. I guess I'll never will. It was pretty obvious the sheriff sheriff didn't exactly whole jargon high regard but there was a legal question now. The charge would be negligent homicide. Put Eric in Montana State Prison for ten years in Montana negligent homicide. You do something really stupid. That could cause the death of a person and sure enough somebody. Somebody dies negligent homicide. We did something stupid. This is not my idea. This was not just me and that's not negligent homicide. That's two kids in love. Stupid is what it comes down to. Europe pleaded not guilty dug in his heels. Here's his defense attorney. We Check Watson. The word homicide was extremely problematic for yard. I mean he he he takes responsibility built for the fact that that he screwed up landing the airplane and he takes responsibility for the fact that he shouldn't have left. But I guarantee you that he hasn't gotten over her death to this day. Do you see this as a Romeo and Juliet Story. There's an element of that. In the case these are two young people who thought they were star-crossed and decided to take their future into their own hands exactly said the sheriff and prosecutor it was so determined it was homicide but it wasn't anything like that and he clammed up. Let the lawyers do the talking waited for the consequences now. Sitting here with US years later level is finally ready to give his account in public for the first time of where they're crazy idea came came from and what happened when it all went wrong year goes. Yeah we just too crazy kids and love. And there's there's some barriers. I guess in a relationship that we saw that that's going to be difficult to overcome wind up watching this movie called Tarzan. Da Ban and also apocalypse now. So we came up with this crazy plan to open in Libya jungle survival. Survive off the land. That's it has nuts. He God did not. Where did you plan to end up? South America has without a hitch down. There hitchhike taking buses. Yeah back ACTON. Borders were not a strict and so where would you pass the Canadian. US border by that time. So it's just a matter. US Mexico border. In onwards the idea of ditching a plane came to taking flying lessons. They land on water and get out before. The plane sank sank. The take the bags in the dinghy. Get in a row to shore a plane sinks and and nobody knows any better but as they were getting ready to go that summer of eighty two there was a hitch. Diane got pregnant happened so we ended up She went to a doctor and then boarded the baby. It was a few days before. Actually we took off so ask that we actually went to the theater tonight before and I said how how you feeling stuff finishes them one hundred ten percent. Good to go so on Sunday August. Twenty Second Nineteen eighty-two went to the Vancouver Airport rented that Cessna Snow One fifty and full of excitement flu Easter penticton where they hung around all afternoon and then fooled people a bit when they flew north before before turning around to head South East in Montana. How did you prepare for landing on the lake? The two of you cough. We ended up switching on a close to swim. Close redistribute everything to two bags three hours later. They were flying on fumes as they descended the Senate and the near dark toward the shimmering surface of little bitter Root Lake at. You're coming in for landing. It must've been pretty nervous. Sure nobody he practices to landing on water on a fixed aircraft. He slowed to stall speed. He took off his seat belt. Figured his grip on the controls would hold them in place. Diane kept her seat belt fastened lap belt and shoulder harness. Then when this wheels hit that that the water was like hitting a cement wall and suddenly you're at some cold water cold water and I remember tasting blood and so it was blowing my nose blood in your mouth. I'll tell you the pitch black as worse even the water some spinning around trying to Orient Myself once I stabilize a cumulus surface. I yelled out. You Know Dan where are you okay and from there she she said Yeah. I just can't get my seat belt off left. Probably didn't save quite so calmly. No she was actually. It was fairly calm. I believe desperately. He said he tried to get to her unaware that when the plane hit the water as shown in his animation it slipped so he ended up behind the airplane and when he struggled through the water to what he thought was the passenger door. We're Diane was. He was actually on the wrong side across the plane from where Diane was hanging upside down trapped in her lap seat belt but time I got to the door in God to try to open it and when it did open and the water started rushing into plane was almost completely broken windshield and the side door windows. I'm lane lean coffee and a water halfway on the wing with my arm trying to open the door open and try to reach into get Diane and then all of a sudden the plane just submerges Bluewater. That's how it ended. The plane did not float. It sank in mere seconds. Dan couldn't get out of her seatbelt. He said and he couldn't help her. Because there simply wasn't time fifteen twenty seconds the plane was went down. He is last glimpse. Diane was not that haunting image of her hair in the airplanes door. No one knows how that happened. No the last he saw Diane and you said the site he cannot stop. See his diane trapped in her seat belt upside down and sinking and calling out for him to save her. What was that like horrifying? It was watching good down there with her. It was twenty seconds before were the two most happiest people pull in the world and and my laugh was torn to pieces. That moment. You know we never never ever anticipated something like this. What did you do right ten? When that plane went down hoping somehow she would be able to get that seat built up some women around just to see if I can official pop up somewhere that she? She put off Chemo but she did not know he said the only thing that floated up was that one Duffel bag the one continues continues close and the twenty two hundred dollars saved for the trip. A fact pointed to by many law officers as suspicious they would save and why did he only get his clothes and the money and let her clothes go sinking down to the bottom of the lake. Just random look officers officers will say there's no accident in life. Things are either on purpose or they don't have you know people always speculate but it was just a random the by chance speculate. That's what people did all right that a man who truly love term might have tried harder might have sacrificed afterwards. This became a problem for some of the people who are looking into the incident because numbers of them. Say God that was me. I would have done anything. I would have drowned if I had I would get into. That plane. Would've got her out of there. I would have saved her somehow even if I died in the process you do. That is do that when you eh couch with a cup of coffee but not so easy when you're fifteen twenty seconds and the plane is thinking in front of you can open the door when you in the door. Two planes almost completely underwater and I don't visualize them picture what this was and how quickly does happen but to go over. Then he said was overwhelming numbing shock my limbs were starting at Phnom could barely do the paddling to in order to stay afloat so I ended up. We'll take that one back peddling docu style and got it's a short and spent the next few days and and shock in shock. He ran he said head around the country for weeks New York City and finally to Dallas. We're turning himself in. Seem like very that idea. Does that sound like Romeo and Juliet or something else. Altogether coming up justice delayed or justice denied. This is one of those kind of cases where really you're the only person on the planet who knows the truth when dateline continues.